2026-10-19 - Planning, Development and Transportation Committee

Summary

Monday, October 19, 2026.
Hearing of the Planning, Development and Transportation Committee chaired by Councilor Durkan, called to order about 2:08 p.m. and adjourned at the end of the recording (2 hours 12 minutes of video).
The whole meeting was a single hearing on Docket No. 1718.
No vote was taken; the docket remains in committee.
The captions start at 0:56 and end at 2:12:24 with the chair's adjournment, so the recording does not run past the meeting.
Councilors Flynn, Culpepper, Louijeune, Worrell and Weber took part; a councilor captioned as "Arroyo" (not matched to the roster on file) also asked questions.
Several colleagues left before the end because of a citywide event that evening.

Proposed ban on data centers

2:23-12:57, 13:30-59:22, 1:04:39-1:08:21, 1:11:05-1:14:04, 1:20:02-1:26:53, 1:29:27-1:31:14, 1:31:51-1:36:09, 1:47:33-1:50:12, 1:54:06-1:56:40, 2:03:49-2:08:28

Docket No. 1718 is an order for a Boston Zoning Code text amendment prohibiting data centers in all zoning districts. It was sponsored by Councilors Culpepper and Worrell and referred to the committee on May 11, 2026.
Opening statements (2:23-12:57): Chair Durkan said current zoning makes data centers a conditional use that can be reviewed case by case, large projects would face Article 80 review, and hyperscale facilities are unlikely to come to Boston given land and energy costs; she wanted a nuanced approach and floated a threshold-based local permitting option. Councilor Culpepper said Boston should decide proactively rather than wait for a proposal, citing electricity, water, sewer, land use, noise and backup diesel generators and the burden on environmental justice communities; the amendment defines data centers and would keep ordinary server rooms. Councilor Flynn said he came to listen to both sides and noted a data center in his district and the Governor's executive order on large data centers. Councilor Worrell (captioned "Earle") asked for a baseline of current data centers, impacts and revenue beyond property tax. Councilor Louijeune urged caution and deliberate steps. A letter of absence from Council President Breadon was read into the record.
Administration panel (13:30-59:22): Jeff Thomas of the Planning Department said Boston has a handful of data centers, some dating to the 1990s, none hyperscale and none dedicated to AI; hyperscale facilities draw heavily on the grid, use large amounts of water, rely on diesel backup and are likely a poor fit for a dense city. Existing zoning treats "telecommunications and data distribution centers" as an allowed use in only three small areas and conditional elsewhere, and the definition was written for utility-type facilities, not AI computing. The city signed onto the C40 global urban data centers pact in June 2026 and is working to write its requirements into the zoning code. Asked whether the administration supports the amendment, he said not at this time, that a citywide prohibition is not necessary, and that the city would work with the sponsors to amend it, starting with new definitions, thresholds based largely on power and a mapping of where each type belongs. He said an outright prohibition is legally dubious because zoning must leave a path to the Board of Appeal.
Sponsors pressed for the C40 member list and pact text (to be provided), the text of the existing definition, how many data centers report under the city emissions ordinance, whether an annual operating license and fee could be required (to be explored, with the telecom franchise as a possible model), and whether any community discussions had started under the pact (they have not).
Second panel and questions (1:04:39-2:08:28, outside the topics below): Mary Boyd (Lowell resident) described the Lowell data center at about 50 MW, noise, flooding and fewer than 40 jobs despite large tax incentives, and urged cities to lead rather than rely on the state. Executive Director Farooqui of the Boston Climate Action Network called for a balanced, proactive approach with high-road union jobs. Tristan Thomas of Alternatives for Community and Environment said no data centers should be built or expanded until protections exist, suggested a threshold nearer 10 MW than the state level, and asked for a cumulative impact analysis and an affirmative environmental permit; he also described state legislative efforts tying standards to the sales and use tax exemption. Michelle Brooks of the Sierra Club cautioned that a ban could push development to communities with less capacity and listed conditions for any new project (carbon-free power, no diesel or gas generators, public water and energy reporting, community benefits and project labor agreements). Chair Durkan noted that existing hospital computing centers already went through Article 80 review and suggested Article 80 could carry many of these requirements.
City emissions data (1:29:27-1:31:14): A panelist (apparently Executive Director Farooqui, who sits on the city emissions review board) said eight buildings carry the data center designation in the 2026 emissions reporting, an undercount, with the largest one (Washington Street) not reporting energy or water use, and backup generator use not counted in the score.
Public testimony (2:03:49-2:08:28): Cyril Clement of the Massachusetts Public Health Alliance supported prohibiting new data centers (utility bills, climate resilience, long-term health and abandonment risks). Kate Richard (Brockton) asked for carefully drawn conditional zoning, exclusion of environmental justice communities, and caution about giving hospitals a free pass.
Closing: the chair adjourned the hearing; the docket remains in committee.

Data center ban exemption for institutional computing

59:42-1:01:42, 1:14:04-1:18:22, 1:39:05-1:47:33

Sam Cahill (Longwood Collective, speaking for health care, higher education and cultural institutions in the Longwood area) said the amendment already distinguishes data centers from research laboratories and educational facilities but is still broad enough to create uncertainty for hospital, research and institutional computing, including third-party hosting and co-location; he asked that any amendment clearly exclude health care, academic research, clinical and institutional computing.
Tish McMullen (Conference of Boston Teaching Hospitals, 12 member hospitals) asked for an explicit exclusion for the infrastructure that supports health care (health records, diagnostic imaging, laboratory systems, cybersecurity, genomic research), and noted the Governor's order calls for state guidance for municipalities by the end of the year.
Councilor Flynn asked why hospital and university data is stored off site; McMullen did not know but would follow up, and Ayse Coskun said running a separate in-house cloud is expensive and less secure.
Coskun described edge or "inference" data centers as needed for low-latency uses, connection to laboratory equipment and sensitive data, said hyperscale is often put at 50 MW or more (definitions vary, from about 50 to 75 MW or lower), and estimated the Greater Boston area has over 40 data centers; Boston's current load is not known. Chair Durkan said the city has not tracked where such computing centers are.

Data center electricity costs for ratepayers

1:08:21-1:11:05, 1:18:22-1:20:02, 1:50:12-1:54:06, 1:56:40-2:03:10

Ayse Coskun (Boston University professor and chief scientist at a startup) proposed a framework built on grid impact assessments, efficiency and power flexibility standards, and measurement and verification; flexible data centers can reduce load at peak hours so a smaller share of firm power is needed and costly grid upgrades are avoided. She expects data center capacity to roughly double in a few years and said efficiency gains tend to increase demand.
A Planning Department panelist noted that Boston's net zero zoning, emissions ordinance and specialized energy code would make any new data center highly efficient and net zero on day one.
A panelist urged the city to work with the state utility regulator on large load tariffs so large customers pay for infrastructure and speculative projects do not leave costs with ratepayers; another panelist raised who would pay for decommissioning after an AI downturn.
Councilor Weber asked whether local control or state action is the better tool; Mary Boyd said residents should not rely on the state. Councilor Culpepper asked whether efficiency would still allow expansion to push total consumption up.

Data center economic impact

1:01:42-1:03:51, 1:26:53-1:29:27, 1:31:14-1:31:51, 1:36:09-1:39:05, 2:08:28-2:12:04

Daniel Daley (IBEW Local 103) said the proposal risks working-family jobs and private investment, that electricians build and maintain the systems behind hospitals, universities and banks, and that Boston needs "plans, not bans" and a fair project-by-project review.
Councilor Worrell asked about permanent jobs; Mary Boyd said the Lowell facility has had fewer than 40 jobs in ten years and that a nearby fire station was browned out for lack of overtime money, while Tristan Thomas cited research showing hyperscale centers average about 100 jobs, often not local, and that incentives can cost more than they return. He said jobs cannot justify harm.
Councilor Flynn asked Daley about the work of maintaining data centers; Daley said skilled licensed electricians are needed around the clock, that diesel generators run only briefly for tests, and that jobs are real for Boston residents.
Representative Green of the Boston Building Trades Unions (35,000 workers) opposed a moratorium, saying digital infrastructure underpins hospitals, transit, first responders and daily life, and asked for union labor, clean energy and developers paying their share of energy costs. See Representative Green.

Other business

Procedural remarks, panel changes and adjournment.

Captions are human-uploaded and may still contain errors; several names are garbled (for example "Earle" for Councilor Worrell and variants of panelists' surnames).

Time on topic (from transcript timestamps; approximate, includes side talk):

Topic	Minutes	Share
Proposed ban on data centers	86	65%
Data center ban exemption for institutional computing	15	11%
Data center electricity costs for ratepayers	15	11%
Data center economic impact	12	9%
Procedural and other business	4	3%

Agenda

Hearing on Docket No. 1718, a zoning code text amendment to prohibit data centers in all zoning districts.

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00:56GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU

00:58FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

00:59FOR THE RECORD MY NAME IS

01:00SHARON DURKAN, DISTRICT CITY

01:02COUNCILOR AND I'M THE CHAIR

01:03OF THE BOSTON CITY

01:04COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON PLANNING

01:05DEVELOPMENT AND TRANSPORTATION

01:06.

01:06TODAY IS OCTOBER 19TH AND THE

01:08EXACT TIME IS 2:08 P.M..

01:10THIS HEARING IS BEING RECORDED.

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01:57TODAY'S HEARING IS ON DOCKET

01:591718 ORDER REGARDING A TEXT

02:01AMENDMENT TO THE BOSTON ZONING

02:02CODE TO PROHIBIT DATA CENTERS

02:04IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS.

02:05THIS MATTER WAS SPONSORED FOR

02:07COUNCILORS MINYARD CULPEPER AND

02:09BRIAN RALL AND WAS REFERRED TO

02:10THE COMMITTEE ON MAY 11TH, 2026

02:12.

02:12TODAY I'M JOINED BY MY

02:14COLLEAGUES IN ORDER OF ARRIVAL

02:16COUNCILOR ED FLYNN AND

02:17COUNCILOR MANURE CULPEPER.

02:18I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM EACH AN

02:20OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE AN OPENING

02:21STATEMENT.

02:23UM MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS THE

02:24COUNTRY ARE CONFRONTING THE

02:25RAPID GROWTH OF TECH

02:27INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT TO DO

02:29ABOUT DATA CENTERS.

02:30WE'VE ALL READ HEADLINES ABOUT

02:31MASSIVE FACILITIES MOVING INTO

02:32COMMUNITIES, CONSUMING PUBLIC

02:34RESOURCES AND CAUSING LOCAL

02:35DISRUPTION.

02:36DATA CENTERS CONSUME

02:38SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF WATER

02:39AND ELECTRICITY, AND WE NEED TO

02:41GUARD AGAINST OVERUSE OF THESE

02:42FINITE RESOURCES.

02:43THEY COULD ALSO GENERATE NOISE

02:45AND AFFECT RESIDENTS LIVING IN

02:46NEARBY COMMUNITIES.

02:47PEOPLE ARE RIGHT TO BE CAUTIOUS

02:48AND THEY SHOULD HAVE A VOICE IN

02:50THESE DECISIONS.

02:51BUT THERE'S NO NEED TO BE

02:52ALARMED OR MOVED TOO QUICKLY.

02:54UNDER BOSTON'S CURRENT ZONING

02:55RULES, DATA CENTERS ARE

02:57CONDITIONAL MEANING WE CAN

02:58EVALUATE THEM PROPOSAL BY

03:00PROPOSAL.

03:00THE GOVERNOR HAS GIVEN US LOCAL

03:02CONTROL AND WE SHOULD USE THAT

03:04AUTHORITY TO DEVELOP AN INFORM

03:05FRAMEWORK THAT DETERMINES WHAT

03:07LEVEL OF IMPACT IS TOO GREAT

03:08AND DETERMINE WHAT ARE WE

03:10EXACTLY TRYING TO PROTECT

03:11AGAINST LARGE HYPERSCALE DATA

03:13CENTERS OR CENTRALIZED

03:15FACILITIES THAT OTHER CITIES

03:16HAVE BANNED ARE UNLIKELY TO

03:18COME TO BOSTON GIVEN OUR HIGH

03:19LAND AND ENERGY COST.

03:21BUT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT

03:23FACILITIES COULD THREATEN OUR

03:24NATURAL RESOURCES, DRIVE UP

03:26ENERGY PRICES OR PUT OUR

03:28CLIMATE GOALS AT RISK OR HARM

03:30OUR COMMUNITIES.

03:31IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ANY

03:33LARGE FACILITY WOULD BE SUBJECT

03:34TO ARTICLE 80 AND ENVIRONMENTAL

03:35REVIEW.

03:36UM I'D LIKE TO JUST READ INTO

03:39THE RECORD, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER

03:40HOLYOKE THE HOME TO THE

03:42MASSACHUSETTS GREEN HIGH ENERGY

03:44PERFORMANCE COMPUTING CENTER.

03:46A GREEN NOISE FREE FACILITY

03:48THAT SUPPORTS RESEARCH AT

03:49BOSTON UNIVERSITY,

03:50NORTHEASTERN, HARVARD, UMASS,

03:52MIT AND YALE.

03:54HOLYOKE HAS SINCE MOVED TO BAN

03:55DATA CENTERS.

03:57I RAISED THIS EXAMPLE BECAUSE

03:58IT SHOWS WHY WE NEED TO LOOK

03:59CAREFULLY AT WHAT WE ARE

04:00REGULATING.

04:01THERE IS NUANCE HERE.

04:02AND EVENTS AND OFTEN NUANCES

04:05OVERLOOKED IN POLICY

04:07CONVERSATIONS.

04:07WE SHOULDN'T MAKE THAT MISTAKE

04:08HERE.

04:09DATA CENTERS HELP POWER THE

04:11INFRASTRUCTURE BEHIND MODERN

04:12LIFE.

04:13THEY SUPPORT OUR GOVERNMENT

04:14HOSPITALS UNIVERSITIES.

04:15THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH COMPUTING

04:17POWER IS NEEDED TO PROCESS AN

04:18MRI OR A CAT SCAN.

04:20HOW WOULD THE PROPOSAL BEFORE

04:21US AFFECT OUR ACADEMIC AND

04:23HEALTH CARE INSTITUTIONS?

04:24WHAT IT'S STILL ALLOW ALLOW FOR

04:26INFERENCE POINTS AND LAST MILE

04:28COMPUTING.

04:28BOSTON IS HOME TO A THRIVING

04:30RESEARCH TECHNOLOGY AND

04:31HEALTHCARE ECOSYSTEMS AND WE

04:33NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE

04:34IMPLICATIONS THESE SECTORS TO

04:36THESE SECTORS BEFORE MOVING

04:38FORWARD.

04:38WE SHOULD PURSUE AN APPROACH

04:40THAT ACCOMMODATES THE FUTURE

04:41OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES AND

04:42SUPPORTS BOSTON'S

04:44COMPETITIVENESS WHILE

04:45PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND

04:46SERVING OUR COMMUNITIES.

04:48THIS MEANS PRIORITIZING

04:49RESEARCH RESOURCE EFFICIENCY,

04:51EQUITABLE ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE

04:53CLEAN ENERGY, RESPONSIBLE LOCAL

04:55DEVELOPMENT AND BETTER STUDY

04:57SERVICES.

04:57I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY

04:59PROPOSAL WE MOVE FORWARD

05:00ACCOMPLISHES THESE GOALS.

05:01RATHER THAN SIMPLY CHECKING A

05:03BOX OFF OF A POLITICAL LIST.

05:05THERE ARE OTHER APPROACHES WE

05:06CONSIDER TOO, INCLUDING LOCALLY

05:09A THRESHOLD BASED LOCAL

05:10PERMITTING OPTION WHICH WAS A

05:12SUGGESTION FROM A PROFESSOR

05:13THAT I SPOKE WITH PRIOR TO THIS

05:15HEARING.

05:15THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING FORWARD

05:17TO HEARING FROM OUR CITY

05:18OFFICIALS, OUR PANELISTS AND

05:19MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

05:21I HOPE TODAY'S CONVERSATION

05:22BRINGS ALL PERSPECTIVES TO THE

05:23TABLE AND HELPS US BETTER

05:25UNDERSTAND HOW DATA CENTERS

05:26FUNCTION AND COULD FUNCTION IN

05:28BOSTON, WHICH IMPACTS ARE TOO

05:30GREAT AND HOW WE CAN REGULATE

05:31THEM THOUGHTFULLY.

05:32UM, SO WE HAVE UH

05:35COUNCILOR WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY

05:37COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE.

05:38UH WE'RE GOING TO START WITH

05:39THE LEAD SPONSOR FOR UH, TWO

05:41MINUTE OPENING STATEMENT,

05:42COUNCILOR MANIER CULPEPER.

05:43THANK YOU, CHAIR DURKAN FOR

05:45HOLDING THIS HEARING.

05:46I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE

05:49ADMINISTRATION, OUR PANELISTS,

05:51MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOR

05:54PARTICIPATING IN TODAY'S

05:55DISCUSSION.

05:56I FOLLOWED THE ZONING AMENDMENT

05:57BECAUSE AS DATA CENTERS

06:00CONTINUE TO EXPAND ACROSS

06:01MASSACHUSETTS AND THE COUNTRY,

06:03I BELIEVE BOSTON NEEDS TO

06:05DECIDE PROACTIVELY WHETHER THIS

06:07IS AN APPROPRIATE LAND USE FOR

06:09OUR CITY, WHETHER THAN WAITING

06:11FOR A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT

06:12PROPOSAL THAT ALREADY BEFORE US

06:15DATA CENTERS CAN PLACE ENORMOUS

06:18DEMANDS ON ELECTRICITY, WATER,

06:21SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE

06:23ELECTRICAL GRID WHILE OCCUPYING

06:26SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS OF LAND.

06:28BOSTON IS ALREADY AN INCREDIBLY

06:30DENSE CITY WITH LIMITED

06:32DEVELOPABLE LAND AND

06:35SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE

06:36NEEDS.

06:36WE SHOULD BE PRIORITIZING THE

06:39LIMITED SPACE AND CAPACITY FOR

06:41HOUSING BUT JOBS, COMMUNITY

06:43DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER USES THAT

06:45PROVIDE MORE DIRECT BENEFITS TO

06:48OUR RESIDENTS.

06:49WE'VE ALSO SEEN COMMUNITIES

06:50LIKE LOWELL RAISE CONCERNS

06:52ABOUT NOISE, AIR POLLUTION,

06:55BACKUP DIESEL GENERATORS AND

06:56THE LACK OF MEANINGFUL

06:58COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IN

06:59DECISIONS ABOUT DATA CENTER

07:02DEVELOPMENT.

07:02THESE CONCERNS ARE PARTICULARLY

07:04IMPORTANT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL

07:05JUSTICE COMMUNITIES THAT

07:07ALREADY EXPERIENCED

07:09DISPROPORTIONATE ENVIRONMENTAL

07:10BURDENS.

07:11THIS IS ALSO A MATTER OF CIVIL

07:13AND RIGHTS AND EQUITY AS LOW

07:16INCOME COMMUNITIES AND

07:18HISTORICALLY MARGINALIZED

07:19POPULATIONS ARE TOO OFTEN LEFT

07:21BEARING THE BRUNT

07:23OF ENVIRONMENTAL AND ECONOMIC

07:24COST OF DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT

07:26SHARING PROPORTIONATELY AND THE

07:28BENEFITS.

07:29WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY.

07:30LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN WE HAVE A

07:33RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT

07:34THESE COMMUNITIES ARE NOT

07:36SUBJECTED TO ADDITIONAL

07:38ENVIRONMENTAL BURDENS OR

07:39EXCLUDED FROM DECISIONS THAT

07:40DIRECTLY AFFECT THEIR HEALTH

07:42AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

07:43THAT IS WHY THIS AMENDMENT

07:45PROPOSES DEFINING DATA CENTERS

07:47,ENFORCING ZONING CODE AND

07:49MAKING THEM OF A BUILDING USE

07:51CITYWIDE WHILE PROTECTING

07:53ORDINARY SERVER ROOMS COMPUTER

07:55INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORT

07:57EXISTING BUSINESSES,

07:59EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS AND

08:00OTHER LAWFUL USES.

08:02I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE

08:03DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON

08:05WHETHER AN OUTRIGHT

08:07PROHIBITION, A MORATORIUM OR

08:09MORE STRINGENT ZONING

08:11REGULATIONS WOULD BE THE MOST

08:12EFFECTIVE APPROACH.

08:14I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM

08:15OUR PANELISTS ABOUT THESE

08:17ALTERNATIVE AND WHAT

08:19PROTECTIONS BOSTON SHOULD

08:20CONSIDER.

08:21THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

08:22THANK YOU SO MUCH.

08:23UM, COUNCILOR FLYNN.

08:26THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

08:27I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO

08:29COUNCIL PEPPER AND COUNCIL.

08:31WE'RE ALL FOR BRINGING THIS

08:32IMPORTANT SUBJECT FORWARD.

08:34I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO

08:36THE ADMINISTRATION FOR BEING

08:37HERE AND FOR THE, UH, COMMUNITY

08:40PIANO AS WELL AMID AMTRUST AND

08:42HEARING FROM PEOPLE ON BOTH

08:44SIDES OF THE ISSUE.

08:47I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US

08:48ON THE CITY COUNCIL TO LISTEN

08:51TO ALL SIDES.

08:54I DO HAVE A DATA CENTER LOCATED

08:57IN MY DISTRICT THAT I HAVE

08:58VISITED SEVERAL TIMES.

09:02I DO KNOW THAT THIS DATA CENTER

09:04IN THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN BOSTON

09:06DOES PLAY A CRITICAL ROLE

09:09SUPPORTING MANY IMPORTANT

09:13INSTITUTIONS NOT JUST HERE IN

09:15BOSTON BUT REALLY, REALLY

09:17ACROSS THE COUNTRY AS WELL.

09:21I ALSO KNOW THAT THE BOSTON

09:23PUBLIC SCHOOL DEPARTMENT, UM,

09:26ALSO PARTNERED WITH UMASS

09:28BOSTON UM, RECENTLY TO IMPROVE

09:32ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AI

09:33PROFICIENCY AMONG STUDENTS.

09:36BOSTON HAS INDICATED INTEREST

09:39IN PARTNERING WITH UM MIT

09:41PARTNERING WITH WITH SEVERAL

09:43OTHERS UM IN THE INNOVATION

09:46ECONOMY AND CODING.

09:49UM I UH LIFE SCIENCES THESE.

09:57EMERGING TECHNOLOGY UM DOES

10:00DESERVE US TO REVIEW AND

10:03UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IS

10:04HAPPENING AND WHAT THE

10:06COMMUNITY PROCESS IS AND I

10:09REFERENCED THAT BECAUSE WE ALSO

10:10KNOW THAT GOVERNOR HALEY SIGNED

10:12AN EXECUTIVE ORDER ESTABLISHING

10:15REGULATIONS AND OVERSIGHT FOR

10:16LARGE DATA CENTERS.

10:20AS I AS I UNDERSTAND IT,

10:22DEVELOPERS MUST NOW SECURE FOR

10:24LOCAL APPROVAL IN A COMMUNITY

10:26BENEFITS AGREEMENT BEFORE ANY

10:28PERMIT STATE.

10:29UM AND I SHOULD SAY IS

10:30APPROVED.

10:33UM, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT MANY

10:35PEOPLE IN THE MEDICAL FIELDS

10:37REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT THESE

10:39DATA CENTERS ARE TO THE ECONOMY

10:42AND AND UM, AND TO ENSURING

10:46THAT WE PROVIDE THE BEST

10:48MEDICAL CARE WE POSSIBLY CAN.

10:49I'M GOING TO STOP THERE, BUT

10:51I'M REALLY HERE TO LISTEN AND

10:53LEARN MORE FROM BOTH SIDES.

10:54THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

10:55THANK YOU SO MUCH.

10:56UM, WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY A WHO

10:58WE'RE ALL BUT WHO IS THE SECOND

11:00CO-SPONSOR SO I'M GOING TO LET

11:01HIM GO NEXT.

11:02UM, COUNCILOR EARLE.

11:04UH THANK YOU CHAIR.

11:05UM, AND THANK YOU TO MY, UH,

11:07CO-SPONSOR, UH,

11:09COUNCILOR CULPEPER.

11:09UM, JUST HERE FOR THE

11:11CONVERSATION AROUND, UH, WHAT

11:13REGULATIONS UH, WE SHOULD BE

11:14THINKING ABOUT AROUND DATA

11:16CENTERS.

11:17UH, WHAT ARE THEIR CURRENT

11:19IMPACTS?

11:19UH, WHEN IT COMES TO, UH,

11:22CONSUMPTION OF ENERGY OR ANY

11:23RESOURCES AND THEN JUST TO KIND

11:25OF GET LIKE A BASELINE OF WHAT

11:29AND I KNOW THE GOVERNOR HAS PUT

11:30SOMETHING IN PLACE BUT WHAT

11:31ADDITIONAL IF ANY, UH,

11:34REGULATIONS.

11:34UM, HOW MANY DATA CENTERS AND

11:37IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL

11:38REVENUE THAT WE'RE COLLECTING

11:39FROM THEM OUTSIDE OF UM

11:42PROPERTY TAX.

11:42SO HERE FOR THE CONVERSATION

11:44UH, TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW WE

11:47SHOULD BE, UH, REGULATING UH,

11:50DATA CENTERS BUT ALSO JUST

11:51TRYING TO GET A BASELINE OF IT.

11:53THANK YOU.

11:53THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILOR.

11:55COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE.

11:57THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

11:58AND THANK YOU TO THE SPONSORS

11:59FOR BRINGING THIS DOCKET

12:00FORWARD.

12:00UH, RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN A

12:02NATIONAL CONVERSATION AROUND

12:03THE ROLE OF DATA CENTERS AS

12:05BEING UM, RESOURCE INTENSIVE

12:07AND EXTRACTIVE FROM OUR

12:08COMMUNITY.

12:09SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT AND TIMELY

12:11CONVERSATION FOR US TO HAVE.

12:12I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE HEARD I

12:14PERSONALLY HEARD FROM UNION

12:15LEADERS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE

12:17OF TECHNOLOGY, UM, CENTERS THAT

12:18WE HAVE IN THE CITY.

12:19AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

12:21WE ARE BEING VERY THOUGHTFUL

12:22WHEN WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.

12:23BUT I WANT TO THANK THE

12:24GOVERNOR FOR HER LEADERSHIP AND

12:25ALREADY PUTTING OUT AN

12:26EXECUTIVE ORDER.

12:27WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE

12:29AS NEW TECHNOLOGY BUILDS IT'S

12:31NOT TO EXTRACTIVE AND NOT TO UM

12:34UH NOT TAKING AWAY SOME FROM

12:36FROM BASIC NEEDS OF OF OUR

12:37RESIDENTS AND OF OUR CITY.

12:38SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT

12:40OF REASON TO MOVE WITH CAUTION

12:41AND TO BE DELIBERATE AND TO

12:43MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE UH, NOT

12:47ALLOWING UH, USE OF THE GRID IN

12:48A WAY THAT IS UNFAIR TO OUR

12:50RESIDENTS.

12:50AND SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO

12:51THE CONVERSATION AND I WANT TO

12:52THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR

12:53YOUR PRESENCE HERE.

12:54THANK YOU.

12:54THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

12:55THANK YOU SO MUCH.

12:57UM, AND UM, I'M GOING TO READ

12:59ONE LETTER OF ABSENCE INTO THE

13:00RECTOR FROM COUNCIL PRESIDENT

13:02BREADON.

13:02DEAR CHAIR DURKAN, I REGRET TO

13:04THAT I'M UNABLE TO ATTEND THIS

13:06AFTERNOON'S HEARING ON DOCKET

13:071718.

13:08ORDER FOR OUR AUDIT ORDER

13:11REGARDING A TEXT AMENDMENT TO

13:12THE BOSTON ZONING CODE TO

13:13PROHIBIT DATA CENTERS IN ALL

13:14ZONING DISTRICTS.

13:15WHILE I AM UNABLE TO ATTEND

13:16TODAY'S HEARING, MEMBERS OF MY

13:17TEAM WILL BE LISTENING AND TO

13:19CRITICALLY TO THIS CRITICALLY

13:21IMPORTANT DISCUSSION AND I PLAN

13:22TO REVIEW THE RECORDING.

13:23I KINDLY ASK THAT YOU READ THIS

13:25LETTER INTO THE RECORD.

13:26THANK YOU.

13:27UM AND THAT'S COUNCIL PRESIDENT

13:28MOSS BREADON.

13:29OKAY.

13:30UM NEXT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR

13:31FROM OUR PANEL.

13:33DO YOU HAVE ANY OPENING

13:34STATEMENTS?

13:39YES.

13:39>> UH, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME

13:41IS JEFF THOMAS.

13:41I'M THE SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO

13:42THE CHIEF OF PLANNING IN THE

13:43PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

13:44I AM A TIME THE CHIEF

13:46INFORMATION.

13:47OFFICER AND THEN I HAVE A

13:49STATEMENT.

13:49UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THE

13:51COUNCIL FOR PROVIDING THE

13:52OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY AND

13:53FOR PROMPTING AN IMPORTANT

13:54DISCUSSION ON REGARDING THE

13:56ZONING OF DATA CENTERS IN THE

13:58CITY OF BOSTON BOSTON'S WORLD

13:59CLASS UNIVERSITIES, TEACHING

14:01HOSPITALS, RESEARCH

14:02INSTITUTIONS AND OUR

14:03EXCEPTIONAL INNOVATION SECTOR

14:05RELY ON IMMENSE COMPUTING

14:06COMPUTING POWER TO SOLVE OUR

14:08MOST CRITICAL CHALLENGES.

14:09OUR CITY HAS ALWAYS WELCOMED

14:11THE JOBS, INNOVATION AND

14:13DISCOVERY THAT THIS NEW

14:15TECHNOLOGY BRINGS.

14:17BOSTON IS CURRENTLY HAS A

14:18CURRENTLY HAS A HANDFUL OF DATA

14:20CENTERS SOME DATING BACK TO THE

14:211990S SERVING AS CLOUD

14:23COMPUTING SERVICES FOR

14:24COMPANIES IN THE AREA.

14:26NONE OF THESE ARE HYPERSCALE

14:27DATA CENTERS AND NONE ARE

14:29DEDICATED TO AI.

14:30HOWEVER, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE

14:32RAPID RISE OF MODERN HYPERSCALE

14:34DATA CENTERS PRESENT A UNIQUE

14:37ENVIRONMENTAL RISK POTENTIAL

14:38FOR COMMUNITY DISRUPTIONS.

14:40UH, AMONG OTHER THINGS, TODAY'S

14:43HYPERSCALE FACILITIES ARE

14:44ENTIRELY DIFFERENT OPERATIONS

14:45FROM THE DATA CENTERS BUILT IN

14:47THE PAST.

14:47THEY DRAW HEAVILY ON THE GRID,

14:49USE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF WATER

14:50FOR COOLING, RELY ON DIESEL

14:51BACKUP GENERATORS AND PRODUCE

14:54LOCALIZED NOISE AND HEAT.

14:55IN SHORT, THEY ARE PROBABLY NOT

14:57A GOOD FIT FOR THE URBAN

14:58ENVIRONMENT OR OTHER SITES IN

14:59CLOSE PROXIMITY TO PEOPLE.

15:01OUR CURRENT ZONING CODE LIMITS

15:03THE LARGE SCALE IMPACTS

15:06OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND DATA

15:07DISTRIBUTION CENTERS BY

15:07CONSTRAINING THEM TO PROVIDING

15:09ESSENTIAL SERVICES IN THE AREAS

15:11WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED.

15:12THESE TRADITIONAL TELECOM DATA

15:14DATA USES ARE ONLY ALLOWED

15:16WITHIN THREE VERY SMALL AREAS

15:18OF THE CITY.

15:19MEANWHILE, NEW HYPERSCALE DATA

15:21CENTERS CANNOT BE BUILT

15:22ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF BOSTON

15:23WITHOUT EXPLICIT REGULATORY

15:24REVIEW BY SEVERAL CITY

15:25OF BOSTON DEPARTMENTS.

15:27ANY LARGE SCALE PROJECT

15:30PROPOSED TODAY WOULD BE SUBJECT

15:31TO SIGNIFICANT SCRUTINY THROUGH

15:32THE ARTICLE 80 PROCESS AND AS

15:34AN EXTREMELY LIMITED ZONING

15:35PATHWAYS WITHOUT EXPLICIT

15:37APPROVALS FROM THE PLANNING

15:38DEPARTMENT, THE BPA BOARD AND

15:40ULTIMATELY THE ZONING BOARD

15:41OF APPEAL.

15:42IN SHORT, ALTHOUGH BOSTON DOES

15:44NOT HAVE DATA CENTER SPECIFIC

15:46ZONING AT THIS TIME, OUR

15:48EXISTING LAWS MEAN THERE IS NOT

15:49AN IMMINENT RISK IN ANY

15:50PROPOSAL OF SCALE WOULD BE

15:52SUBJECT TO CITY APPROVAL,

15:53INCLUDING PLENTY OF COMMUNITY

15:55FEEDBACK.

15:55IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, MAYOR WU

15:57SIGNED BOSTON ONTO THE C40

15:59GLOBAL URBAN DATA CENTERS PACT

16:01,WHICH REQUIRES STRICT

16:03SCRUTINY OF ANY DATA CENTER

16:05PROPOSALS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND

16:06QUALITY OF LIFE IMPACTS.

16:08THIS GLOBAL FRAMEWORK ALIGNS

16:10WITH OUR VISION FOR COMMERCIAL

16:11USES.

16:11THEY'RE STRATEGICALLY

16:12INTEGRATED INTO CITIES RESOURCE

16:14EFFICIENT, ACCOUNTABLE TO THEIR

16:15HOST COMMITTEES, COMMUNITIES

16:17AND ENGINE FOR THEIR SHARED

16:20PROSPERITY.

16:20THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS IN

16:22THE PROCESS OF CODIFYING THESE

16:23REQUIREMENTS INTO OUR ZONING

16:24CODE.

16:25WE LOOK WORK.

16:26WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH

16:28THE COUNCIL ON ANY PROPOSED

16:29ZONING AMENDMENTS SPECIFICALLY

16:30AROUND NEW DEFINITIONS TO FIT

16:32EMERGING TECHNOLOGY.

16:34THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND

16:35WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

16:36QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

16:37THANK YOU SO MUCH JEFF.

16:39UM AND JIM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO

16:41SPEAK?

16:42NO.

16:43>> I SUPPORT THE STATEMENT THAT

16:44WAS MADE AND I'M HAPPY TO

16:45ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU

16:46MIGHT HAVE.

16:47OKAY.

16:48>> PERFECT.

16:48WE'LL START WITH THE LEAD.

16:49UH, SPONSOR I'M IN YOUR

16:51CULPEPER.

16:51UM, WE'RE GOING TO DO FIVE

16:53MINUTES WITH THIS PANEL.

16:55THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

16:56SORRY IF YOU COULD TURN US MIKE

16:58ON.

16:59PERFECT.

17:03>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

17:04AND THANK YOU, JEFF, FOR, UM,

17:08GIVING US THAT INFORMATION.

17:10YOU DID?

17:10I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS, UH,

17:13REGARDING THE C40 DATA CENTER

17:15PACK.

17:16WHO WHO ARE THE MEMBERS OF THE

17:18C40 DATA MEMBER PACK?

17:21SO I'LL TAKE THAT ONE.

17:22UM, C40 IS A GROUP OF MAYOR

17:26OF CITIES FROM THE LARGEST

17:28GLOBAL CITIES.

17:29UH, THEY ARE CITIES THAT SIGNED

17:32UP FOR CLIMATE COMMITMENTS SO

17:33VERY SIMILAR TO BOSTON AND THE

17:35AMBITION IN OUR CLIMATE

17:37AMBITIONS.

17:38AND IN THIS PACT I AM NOT SURE

17:42OF THE SPECIFIC CITIES BUT I I

17:44BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE AMONG THE

17:46LARGEST CITIES IN C40 ITSELF.

17:49SO THE PACT THE THE CITIES THAT

17:52SIGNED ON TO THE PACT COULD.

17:53INCLUDE LONDON, UM, SAN

17:56FRANCISCO SOME OF THE LARGEST

17:57CITIES AROUND THE WORLD THAT

17:58MIGHT BE DEALING WITH THIS KIND

17:59OF ISSUE.

18:00DO YOU KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT

18:02CITIES IN THE PACT?

18:03AND IF YOU DON'T, CAN YOU

18:05PROVIDE US?

18:05WE ARE.

18:06>> I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC

18:07LIST BUT WOULD BE HAPPY TO

18:09FOLLOW UP WITH THE FEATURED.

18:10CITIES ARE DUBLIN, ATLANTA,

18:12COLUMBUS, AMSTERDAM, NEW YORK,

18:14LONDON, MILAN, CHENNAI, PHOENIX

18:16AND.

18:16THEN ALL.

18:17>> OF THEM.

18:18>> THOSE ARE THE FEATURED

18:19CITIES FOR THAT SPECIFICALLY

18:20RELATED TO DATA CENTERS.

18:22GETTING LISTS OF ALL OF THEM

18:23NOT JUST THE FEATURED CITIES,

18:25JUST ALL OF THE CITIES THAT ARE

18:27PART OF THE C40 PACK.

18:29AND CAN WE HAVE A COPY OF THE

18:31C40 PACK THE ACTUAL PACK.

18:33TO SEE WHAT IT SAYS?

18:34SURE, ABSOLUTELY.

18:35WE'RE ACTUALLY PRINTING IT.

18:37YEAH, WE'RE PRINTING IT AS WE

18:38SPEAK.

18:39YOU'RE PRINTED RIGHT?

18:40UH.

18:42>> YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS

18:44WITH REGARD TO UM, THE DATA

18:48CENTERS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE

18:51.

18:52UM, DOES THE PLANNING

18:55DEPARTMENT BELIEVE THAT A

18:57CITYWIDE PROHIBITION IS

18:59APPROPRIATE UH, WITH REGARD TO

19:02LAND USE POLICY OR WOULD THERE

19:05BE OR DO YOU THINK A MORE

19:06NARROW PROHIBITION IS MORE

19:08APPROPRIATE REGARDING ZONING

19:10RESTRICTIONS?

19:12YEAH.

19:12>> AT THIS TIME WE DON'T THINK,

19:14UH, CITYWIDE PROHIBITION IS

19:16NECESSARY.

19:16I THINK WE DEFINITELY ARE OPEN

19:19TO DISCUSSING NEW ZONING

19:20DEFINITIONS, THE MAPPING

19:22OF THOSE AREAS WITH THE

19:25COUNCIL UM, AND OTHER RELATED

19:27UH, ZONING ISSUES.

19:28BUT I THINK AT THIS TIME

19:30OF PROHIBITION WE DON'T.

19:30BELIEVE IS NECESSARY.

19:31AND SO WHAT'S THE DEFINITION

19:34OF DATA CENTERS THAT WE HAVE

19:35UNDER THE ZONING CODE TODAY?

19:38SO RIGHT NOW.

19:39THE THE USE THAT WE HAVE IS

19:41CALLED TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND

19:43DATA SENT DATA DISTRIBUTION

19:45CENTERS.

19:47UM THE DEFINITION IS NOT

19:49THOROUGHLY UM FLESHED OUT

19:52BECAUSE THIS IS THESE TYPES

19:55OF USES WERE MOSTLY MEANT IN

19:57SERVICE OF EITHER BUSINESSES OR

20:00RESIDENCES.

20:01SO THINK OF THE TYPE OF UM

20:04TECHNOLOGY THAT'S COMING INTO

20:05YOUR HOME.

20:05THEY ALLOW YOU TO USE AND NEED

20:07SOME PLACE FOR THAT TECHNOLOGY

20:09TO COME IN SOMEWHERE.

20:11UH DATA STORAGE, THINGS OF THAT

20:12NATURE.

20:13SO WE ESSENTIALLY THE OLD

20:17ZONING CODE DEFINITION IS IS

20:19ABOUT STORAGE AND DELIVERING

20:21THINGS TO THE HOUSE, NOT

20:23NECESSARILY PROCESSING

20:25OF INFORMATION THE WAY THAT

20:26THESE AI TECHNOLOGIES ARE.

20:28SO THERE'S NO REAL DEFINITION

20:30IN THE ZONING CODE TODAY THAT

20:32SPECIFICALLY APPLIES TO DATA

20:34CENTERS.

20:35THEY APPLY TO DATA CENTERS

20:37BECAUSE IT'S OH BUT.

20:38>> IS IT A DATA CENTER?

20:40NECESSARILY AN ISSUE?

20:42IS IT A DATA CENTER DEFINITION

20:44?

20:45IT'S STILL IT'S STILL INSIDE

20:48OF THAT DEFINITION.

20:49THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND DATA

20:50CENTER.

20:51READ IT AND THERE.

20:53THAT THAT THAT IS WHAT IT IS.

20:55IT'S A.

20:55TELECOMMUNICATION I KNOW BUT.

20:56CAN YOU READ IT BECAUSE I WANT

20:58TO SEE WHETHER THE WORD DATA

20:59CENTER IS IN THAT DEFINITION OR

21:02WHETHER YOU'RE JUST APPLYING IT

21:04TO DATA CENTER.

21:06I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME

21:07SO I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK.

21:08TO YOU.

21:08>> WE CAN LOOK THAT UP TO CAN.

21:11YEAH.

21:12>> I DON'T WANT TO LOOK IT UP.

21:13CAN YOU APPLY IT?

21:14CAN YOU SUPPLY IT TO US THROUGH

21:16THE CHAIR?

21:17SURE.

21:18>> OKAY.

21:18>> BECAUSE I'M REALLY CONCERNED

21:20ABOUT TAKING A DEFINITION THAT

21:24IS NOT REALLY MEANT TO APPLY TO

21:26DATA CENTERS AND APPLYING IT TO

21:28DATA CENTERS AND NOT REALLY

21:31HAVING THE APPLICABILITY OR THE

21:34PROHIBITION THAT WE'RE TRYING

21:36TO ACHIEVE.

21:37AND SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE

21:40STARTING FROM SCRATCH WITH

21:42REGARD TO THE DATA CENTER

21:44ZONING CODE.

21:46AND I WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE'RE

21:47STARTING FROM SCRATCH.

21:48BUT I THINK.

21:50>> THAT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT

21:51THAT WE DO NEED TO UPDATE

21:52DEFINITIONS IN OUR ZONING CODE.

21:54AND AND YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK

21:55WITH US ON THAT.

21:56ABSOLUTELY.

21:57I'LL BE GLAD TO WORK WITH YOU

21:59JEFF, LIKE WE ARE ON OTHER

22:00THINGS.

22:00THANK YOU.

22:02THANK YOU SO MUCH,

22:05COUNCILOR CULPEPER.

22:05UM COUNCILOR ARROYO.

22:08THANK YOU.

22:08CHAIR.

22:09UM, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

22:11YOU MENTIONED A LIST OR STATED

22:15THAT WE HAVE SOME DATA CENTERS.

22:17UH, HOW MANY DO WE ALREADY HAVE

22:20IN BOSTON?

22:22UM, THE DEFINITION BY THIS

22:25DEFINITION OF DATA CENTERS

22:26WHICH IS UM, INCLUDED AND

22:28BASICALLY TELECOMMUNICATIONS

22:30INFRASTRUCTURE.

22:31WE KNOW OF FOUR BUT UM, ONE WAY

22:34OF THINKING ABOUT IT BEYOND A

22:36VERIZON FACILITY OR A COMCAST

22:39FACILITY IS THAT SOME OF OUR

22:41INSTITUTIONS ARE PRIVATE

22:42INSTITUTIONS LIKE A MEDICAL A

22:43HOSPITAL.

22:44THEY MIGHT ALSO STORE DATA AND

22:46THEY MIGHT REFER TO THAT AS A

22:48DATA CENTER ITSELF.

22:49SO I JUST THINK IT SPEAKS TO

22:51THE NEED FOR AN UPDATED

22:52DEFINITION AS WELL.

22:53GOT IT.

22:55>> UM AND THEN I KNOW BERTO

22:58GENERALLY COVERS BUILDINGS

23:00AROUND 20,000FT2 OR MORE.

23:02UH, BUT A DATA CENTER CAN HAVE

23:04A, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY SMALL

23:07FOOTPRINT BUT STILL CONSUME A

23:09TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESOURCES.

23:11UH, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY DATA

23:12CENTERS ARE CURRENTLY REPORTING

23:14UNDER BERTO AND HOW MANY FAR

23:16BELOW THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE

23:17THRESHOLD?

23:18AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE

23:20INFORMATION YET.

23:20YEAH, WE.

23:21>> CAN BE.

23:22LIKE YEAH, BACK TO ME.

23:23>> IF.

23:24I DO ON THAT.

23:24UM.

23:27>> I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION IS

23:29AND MAYBE THIS MIGHT NOT BE A

23:31QUESTION FOR THIS PANEL HERE

23:32BUT JUST KNOWING THE AMOUNT

23:35OF RESOURCES THAT DATA CENTERS

23:38UH UH, EXTRACT FROM THE

23:39COMMUNITY IS.

23:41IT WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS OR I

23:43KNOW DIFFERENT TYPES

23:44OF BUSINESSES WE REQUIRE THEM

23:46TO GO THROUGH DIFFERENT TYPES

23:47OF REGULATIONS SOMETIMES EVEN

23:48REQUIRING THEM TO HAVE A LIKE A

23:50LICENSE.

23:51UM, COULD WE REQUIRE DATA

23:53CENTERS TO OBTAIN AN ANNUAL

23:56OPERATING LICENSE AND PAY A FEE

23:58THAT COVERS, UH, THE CITY'S

24:00MONITORING, INSPECTION,

24:01INSPECTION OR REGULATORY COSTS?

24:06I THINK IT MUST BE SOMETHING

24:07THAT WE NEED TO EXPLORE.

24:10YEAH.

24:10>> HAVE WE WOULDN'T WE WE

24:12WOULDN'T GOVERN THAT UNDER IN

24:14THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT UNDER

24:15THE ZONING CODE SO WE WOULD

24:16HAVE TO.

24:17WE'D HAVE TO EXPLORE THAT.

24:20THE UM THE OTHER EXAMPLE I CAN

24:21THINK OF IS WITH THE

24:23TELECOMMUNICATIONS PROVIDERS WE

24:25HAVE SOME FRANCHISE LICENSES

24:27AND MAYBE THERE IS A MODEL

24:29THERE BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY AN

24:31AREA TO LOOK INTO.

24:32GOT IT.

24:32>> AND THEN ARE WE MONITORING

24:36OR HAVING ANY IDEA OF HOW MUCH

24:39THE CURRENT DATA CENTERS THAT

24:40WE HAVE NOW ARE EXTRACTING?

24:42UM IN TERMS OF LIKE RESOURCES,

24:44UTILITIES, WATER OR EVEN LIKE

24:48IN EMISSIONS?

24:49ANY INFORMATION AROUND THAT?

24:51I'VE I BELIEVE THAT IN OUR

24:55ENVIRONMENT DEPARTMENT IN ORDER

24:57TO SIGN UP FOR THAT GLOBAL PACT

25:00UH MIGHT HAVE STARTED TO LOOK

25:01INTO THIS BUT THAT'S JUST

25:03SOMETHING WE CAN GET BACK TO

25:04YOU ABOUT SPECIFICALLY ON THE

25:06RESOURCE CONSUMPTION.

25:08GOT IT.

25:08>> UM.

25:15AND THEN.

25:16>> MAYBE THIS IS NOT A QUESTION

25:17FOR YOU BUT MAYBE ANOTHER

25:19QUESTION FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.

25:21UM, WHAT HAPPENS WITH EMISSIONS

25:23FROM BACKUP GENERATORS?

25:25UH, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH BACKUP

25:26GENERATOR ENERGY?

25:27OUR EXISTING DATA CENTERS ARE

25:29REPORTING AND HOW MUCH IS BEING

25:31EXCLUDED FROM THEIR

25:32CALCULATIONS.

25:32THIS COULD BE ANOTHER

25:34ENVIRONMENTAL.

25:34I THINK A LOT OF MY OTHER

25:36QUESTIONS AROUND THE

25:36ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THESE

25:38DATA CENTERS SO NOTED I THINK I

25:41THINK A LOT OF UM I SEE UM UH

25:45EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FAROOQUI ON

25:47THE NEXT PANEL.

25:47SO I'LL SAVE MY QUESTIONS FOR

25:49THE SECOND PANEL.

25:51THANK YOU CHAIR.

25:53THANK YOU SO MUCH.

25:54UM, SORRY I WAS TALKING TO MY

25:57COLLEAGUE BUT UM, REALLY

25:59GRATEFUL, UM, TO YOU ALL FOR

26:01BEING HERE.

26:01UM, I HAVE REALLY GOTTEN INTO

26:03THE WEEDS OF THIS ISSUE SINCE

26:05WE NOTICED THE HEARING TO TRY

26:07TO UNDERSTAND FROM BOTH LIKE

26:09THE TECHNOLOGY HOSPITAL, YOU

26:12KNOW, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE

26:16COMMUNITY THAT EXIST IN BOSTON

26:17WHAT IMPACTS A ZONING AMENDMENT

26:20THAT, UM, THAT PROHIBITS THEM

26:22FROM ALL ZONING DISTRICTS WOULD

26:23HAVE.

26:24UM, I THINK THAT RIGHTFULLY SO

26:27A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS

26:28ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT UM,

26:30COMPUTING CENTERS IN THE

26:32HOSPITAL ENVIRONMENT AS WELL AS

26:36UM, INFERENCE POINTS THAT ARE

26:38NEEDED TO CONNECT BOSTON TO THE

26:40CLOUD AND OTHER CLOUD INTERNET

26:43.

26:43UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE A LOT

26:46SMARTER THAN ME ON THESE ISSUES

26:47AND I I'M LEARNING THEM BUT UM,

26:49I'VE BEEN TALKING TO SOME

26:50PROFESSORS FROM DIFFERENT

26:52COLLEGES WHO WHO REALLY ARE

26:54JUST TRYING TO, UM, YOU KNOW,

26:56TRYING TO WHILE WE'RE

26:59FAMILIARIZING OURSELVES WITH

27:00THE ZONING, UH, AMENDMENT AS

27:01DRAFTED.

27:02UM, I'M ALSO TRYING TO

27:04FAMILIARIZE MYSELF WITH WHAT

27:06ARE POTENTIALLY THE

27:07CAPABILITIES AND NEEDS THAT

27:08BOSTON MAY HAVE IN THE FUTURE.

27:09UM, HOW DOES BOSTON CONTRIBUTE

27:12TO THE OVERALL CONVERSATION

27:13ABOUT DATA CENTERS?

27:14UM, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY ANY DATA

27:16CENTER THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN

27:19THIS IN THE NORTHEAST REGION

27:21ULTIMATELY WILL BENEFIT.

27:23LIKE WE WILL BE THE ONES USING

27:25THE DATA AND THAT'S THE CASE

27:27FOR THE HOLYOKE.

27:28I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE AWARE

27:29OF THE HOLYOKE DATA CENTER THAT

27:31UM IT'S ACTUALLY SUPPORTS

27:32RESEARCH AT THE NORTHEASTERN,

27:35HARVARD, UMASS, MIT AND YALE.

27:37UM, THAT THAT IS A WHOLE UH

27:40THAT IN HOLYOKE WAS A FACILITY

27:43THAT'S CALLED THE MASSACHUSETTS

27:45GREEN HIGH PERFORMANCE

27:46COMPUTING CENTER, WHICH IS A

27:49GREEN FACILITY BUT DOES USE A

27:51LOT OF ELECTRICITY.

27:53UM, THEY HAVE SINCE MOVED TO

27:55BANNED DATA CENTERS BUT ARE

27:57TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW, THAT

27:58DATA CENTER IS A SUCCESS.

28:00UM, JUST CURIOUS CHAMP, HOW YOU

28:04SEE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN

28:05BOSTON AND DATA CENTERS THAT

28:06ARE BUILT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

28:08UM, BECAUSE I REALLY THINK IT'S

28:10IMPORTANT FOR, UM, KENMORE

28:12SQUARE TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE

28:14WITH KENDALL SQUARE AND I THINK

28:16THAT I DO THINK MAKING SURE

28:18THAT WE'RE NOT SORT OF BANNING

28:20ROOMS OF COMPUTERS, UM, YOU

28:22KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND AND THINGS

28:24THAT WE MAY NEED TO UM I THINK

28:26WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THAT

28:28HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS HAVE NO

28:29PLACE IN BOSTON, BUT WE JUST

28:31WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN

28:32WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING AND

28:33LAND USE, WE'RE NOT DOING

28:34SOMETHING THAT UNINTENTIONALLY

28:36,UH, HANDICAPPED UH, HANDICAPS

28:38US FROM THE INNOVATION ECONOMY

28:39.

28:41ABSOLUTELY.

28:42>> UM, BOSTON IS CONSIDERED A

28:44LEADER IN THINKING ABOUT THIS

28:46THINKING ABOUT THE

28:47ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS WITH OUR

28:48INNOVATION.

28:48RIGHT.

28:48AND I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT

28:51IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN

28:52LEAN IN AND FIND A GOOD MIDDLE

28:54GROUND WHERE WE'RE CREATING THE

28:56CAPABILITIES TO BUILD THAT

28:58INNOVATION AT HOME WHILE WE'RE

29:01COMPETING BEYOND.

29:04I THINK THAT THE UM, AS THE

29:06PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING

29:08INTO UPDATING THE DEFINITION

29:09OF WHAT A DATA CENTER SHOULD

29:11BE, WE COULD ALSO LOOK INTO THE

29:14IMPACTS AND WAYS OF MANAGING

29:16THEM AND UM, I I I THINK THAT

29:21THERE IS A WAY OF WORKING IN

29:25THE IDEA OF MAINTAINING ACCESS

29:27TO COMPUTE POWER.

29:29UM, AND THAT'S RELATED TO DATA

29:31BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SIGN US

29:33UP FOR RUNNING AI MODELS, WHICH

29:36IS REALLY WHERE I THINK THE

29:37HYPERSCALE AND THOSE

29:39CONVERSATIONS HAVE GONE INTO.

29:41I ALSO THINK THAT THIS IS AN

29:43OPPORTUNITY FOR US AS A CITY TO

29:46MODEL, UM, INNOVATIONS IN THE

29:49MITIGATION OF THE NEGATIVE

29:52IMPACTS.

29:52SO WHETHER IT IS ENERGY

29:54EFFICIENCY, WATER UH

29:57MANAGEMENT, UM, THESE ARE

29:59THINGS THAT BOSTON HAS SHOWN

30:00TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT HAS

30:02BEEN ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR AND

30:04SHOW, YOU KNOW, OTHER CITIES

30:06AROUND THE COUNTRY AROUND THE

30:08WORLD THAT THERE'S WAYS

30:09OF DEALING WITH THOSE IMPACTS.

30:12UM, SO I THINK THERE'S A WAY

30:14OF POSITIONING DATA CENTERS

30:15WITHIN THE INNOVATION SIDE

30:17OF THE ECONOMY THAT ACCOUNTS

30:20FOR THE NEGATIVE BENEFITS BUT

30:23ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE TO BUILD

30:25AND.

30:25BUILD FOR THE FUTURE.

30:26YEAH.

30:26>> AND I THINK THE REASON I'M

30:28USING THE TERMS INFERENCE POINT

30:29AND COMPUTING CENTER IS WHEN

30:31PEOPLE HEAR THE WORD DATA

30:32CENTER THEY'RE THINKING OF A

30:34HYPERSCALE, YOU KNOW, FACILITY

30:36LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE

30:38BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE

30:39THAT IT COULD BE BUILT.

30:40UM, AND AGAIN, UM, I THINK THAT

30:44HAVING TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE

30:45THAT ARE SMARTER THAN ME, UM,

30:49THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT WE

30:50SHOULD APPROACH UM, THIS WITH A

30:53THRESHOLD BASED LOCAL

30:54PERMITTING OPTION AND THAT

30:56BEING DECIDED POTENTIALLY BASED

30:58ON LIKE HOW MUCH WATER IS BEING

30:59USED OR HOW MUCH ELECTRICITY IS

31:01BEING USED.

31:02HAS THE CITY BEEN GIVING ANY

31:04THOUGHT TO WHAT WE ARE

31:06PROTECTING AGAINST WHEN WE

31:07THINK ABOUT WHAT FRAMEWORK WE

31:09WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS

31:10PARTICULAR.

31:10WE'RE JUST.

31:11STARTING WE'RE JUST STARTING

31:12OUR RESEARCH ON HOW WE SHOULD

31:14THINK ABOUT THIS IN PARTNERSHIP

31:15WITH ENVIRONMENT AND PLANNING.

31:18UM I THINK YOU'VE DONE MORE

31:19RESEARCH THAN WE HAVE BUT WITH

31:21THE GLOBAL COMPACT WE'RE USING

31:23THAT AS A BASIS FOR DEVELOPING

31:25WHAT WE THINK SHOULD BE

31:27BOSTON'S POSITION ON THESE

31:29DEFINITIONS, THE WHAT THE

31:30THRESHOLDS MIGHT BE AND WHERE

31:32THEY MIGHT BE.

31:33I ALSO THINK THAT THERE'S

31:35POTENTIAL FOR CO-LOCATION

31:36MEANING RIGHT NOW ONE OF THE

31:38DATA CENTERS IS RELATED TO UM,

31:40YOU KNOW, OUR

31:41TELECOMMUNICATIONS A VERIZON

31:42CENTER AND AND THERE'S ANOTHER

31:45DATA CENTER THAT'S ABOVE THE

31:46MACY'S.

31:47THERE ARE THERE ARE WAYS

31:50OF THINKING ABOUT THE WAY THAT

31:52WE REPURPOSE LAND UM, IN ORDER

31:55TO MAXIMIZE THE PERFORMANCE.

31:57AND THERE'S A LOT MORE TO LOOK

31:59INTO.

31:59THANK YOU.

32:00>> I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY

32:02IMPORTANT THAT WE NOT HAVE A

32:03KNEE REACTION TO SOMETHING

32:05THAT ACTUALLY DOESN'T IMPACT

32:07THE CITY OF BOSTON BECAUSE IT'S

32:08LIKE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT AND

32:10AGAIN, IT DOES IMPACT THE CITY

32:11OF BOSTON BECAUSE WE ARE A

32:13LEADER AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING

32:14TO US FOR WHAT TO DO NEXT.

32:16BUT UM, BOSTON BENEFITS FROM

32:19HAVING A NUANCED CONVERSATION

32:21ON THIS ISSUE PROBABLY MORE

32:22THAN ANY OTHER CITY THAT'S

32:23TALKING ABOUT IT IN

32:25MASSACHUSETTS.

32:25SO I THINK IT'S JUST UM, YOU

32:28KNOW, I THINK IT'S JUST

32:29IMPORTANT TO UM AND I JUST WANT

32:31TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR

32:32BRINGING THIS PROPOSAL FORWARD

32:34BECAUSE IT GIVES US AN

32:35OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT

32:37THOSE THRESHOLDS ARE.

32:38UM, AND WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO

32:40PROTECT AGAINST AND WHAT

32:41QUALITY OF LIFE, UM, ISSUES.

32:43AND I WANT TO THANK THE

32:44ADMINISTRATION FOR SIGNING ON

32:45TO THE PACT BECAUSE I THINK IT

32:47IS AN IMPORTANT FIRST STEP TO

32:49ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE DO NOT

32:51WANT TO HAVE THE NEGATIVE

32:52IMPACTS OF UM OF DATA CENTERS

32:55OR AI.

32:56BUT AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR

32:58TESTIMONY FROM FOLKS, UM, YOU

33:00KNOW, OF ALL OPINIONS ON THIS

33:02ISSUE AND MOSTLY WHAT WE DON'T

33:04WANT IS THE UN YOU KNOW, WE

33:06DON'T WANT TO UNNECESSARILY BE

33:08BANNING TECHNOLOGY FROM COMING

33:10TO BOSTON WHEN AGAIN, WE'RE

33:11TRYING TO BE A LEADER IN THE

33:13INNOVATION ECONOMY.

33:14SO UM, I WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY

33:16COUNCILOR BAN WEBER.

33:17WE'RE GOING TO HEAR NOW NEXT

33:18FROM COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE.

33:22THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

33:24MADAM CHAIR, I DO BELIEVE

33:26COUNCILOR FLYNN WAS HERE PRIOR

33:27TO ME.

33:27SO SORRY.

33:28TURN TO HIM AND THEN I WILL

33:29HAVE MY QUESTION.

33:30>> SO SORRY I WENT TO WERE ALL

33:31FIRST BECAUSE HE WAS A

33:32CO-SPONSOR AND THEN

33:33SORRY COUNCILOR FLYNN GO AHEAD

33:35AND THANK YOU COUNCILOR FLYNN

33:36FOR UNDERSTANDING.

33:38THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

33:39UM THANK YOU TO THE

33:41ADMINISTRATION TEAM THAT IS

33:43HERE.

33:43I'M ALSO LOOKING FORWARD TO

33:45HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY

33:48INCLUDING MEMBERS OF, UM

33:51MEMBERS OF THE ORGANIZED LABOR

33:53THAT'S HERE WHO I HAVE GREAT

33:55RESPECT FOR AND COMMUNITY

33:57PARTNERS AS WELL.

34:00LET ME LET ME ASK YOU EITHER

34:01ONE OF YOU A QUESTION.

34:02HOW DO YOU BALANCE THE PROS AND

34:07CONS OF THE COMMUNITY

34:09ENGAGEMENT PROCESS?

34:10SAY ON ONE HAND YOU MIGHT HAVE

34:12THE UNIVERSITIES AND HOSPITALS

34:17AND ORGANIZED LABOR THAT DON'T

34:20WANT TO SEE THESE BANNED.

34:22AND THEN ON THE OTHER HAND YOU

34:23MIGHT HAVE COMMUNITY PARTNERS

34:25ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS THAT WANT

34:27TO SEE MORE STRICT REGULATION.

34:29TELL ME ABOUT THE COMMUNITY

34:30ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WHERE BOTH

34:34SIDES WILL REGARDLESS OF WHAT

34:37HAPPENS, FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN

34:39HEARD AND RESPECTED EVEN IF

34:41THEY DON'T GET WHAT EXACTLY

34:43WHAT THEY WANT.

34:45WELL I'D SAY THIS IS A GOOD

34:47FORUM TO START.

34:49UM I.

34:49WOULD.

34:50>> YOU KNOW, DEFER TO YOU

34:51CHIEF, BUT THIS IS A RELATIVELY

34:53NEW INDUSTRY FOR US TO BE

34:55MANAGING.

34:56AND AT LEAST IN THE IN ITS

34:58CURRENT FUNCTION.

34:59UH, SO I THINK WE HAVE A LOT

35:03OF EDUCATION TO DO.

35:04UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST I THINK

35:05WE HAVE A LOT TO LEARN FROM YOU

35:07KNOW, THE PANELS THAT ARE

35:08COMING BEHIND US ABOUT HOW THEY

35:11ENVISION THE FUTURE OF THIS USE

35:13EVOLVING AND WHAT THE NEW

35:15TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO BRING.

35:16AND THEN WE HAVE WE NEED TO

35:18HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE

35:19COMMUNITY JUST LIKE WE HAVE ON

35:21JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER TOPIC.

35:23UM WHERE DO YOU WANT TO SEE IT?

35:25WHAT ARE THE THRESHOLDS?

35:28UM WHAT ARE THE ENVIRONMENTAL

35:30IMPACTS ETC.?

35:31SO THE CITY COUNCIL IS

35:34PROPOSING TO YOU KNOW, TO TO

35:38PROHIBIT DATA CENTERS UM FOR

35:41FOR ZONING BUT HAS THE CITY

35:45DONE ANYTHING SIMILAR TO THAT?

35:48MAYBE NOT TO THAT EXTENT, BUT

35:51HAVE THEY DONE ANYTHING THAT

35:53LIMITS UM ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY

35:59UM FROM COMING OR OR LIMITING

36:03IT IN THE ZONING PROCESS?

36:07I CAN'T THINK OF A I CAN'T

36:08THINK OF.

36:09A ANOTHER SITUATION IN WHICH

36:11WE'RE OUTRIGHT PROHIBITING

36:12THINGS THROUGH THE ZONING CODE.

36:14UM, BECAUSE THERE'S VERY THEY

36:17WOULD BE LEGALLY DUBIOUS TO DO

36:18SO.

36:19SO I THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN

36:20USES THAT WE'VE RECOGNIZED AS

36:24NOT CONDUCIVE TO AN URBAN

36:26FABRIC THAT BUT THERE THERE HAS

36:29TO BE SOME PATHWAY THAT YOU CAN

36:31GET TO THE BOARD OF PEEL ON.

36:32IT'S SORT OF THE LEGAL THAT'S

36:34WHERE THE LEGAL THRESHOLD IS.

36:37SO OUTRIGHT PROHIBITING IT

36:38GIVES US ACTUALLY LESS LESS

36:41OF OF LIKE LESS FLEXIBILITY

36:43OVERALL.

36:44UM IF WE CAN.

36:46AT THE.

36:47>> END OF THE DAY YOU HAVE TO

36:48PROVIDE A PATHWAY TO GET TO THE

36:50BOARD OF APPEAL.

36:51UM, IF YOU HAVE UH YOU KNOW, IF

36:54YOU'RE BRINGING SOMETHING I

36:55THINK WE'RE ALSO RELYING ON THE

36:58THE STATE UM, AND SOMETIMES

37:00EVEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR

37:03CERTAIN TYPES OF LAND USES THAT

37:05PROBABLY ARE ABOVE LOCAL

37:06JURISDICTION.

37:07SO SO IS IT ACCURATE TO SAY I

37:09THINK YOU MENTIONED IT BUT THE

37:13THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS NOT

37:15SUPPORTED BY THE

37:16ADMINISTRATION.

37:17IS THAT ACCURATE TO SAY.

37:18YEAH THIS AT THIS TIME WE

37:20WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT BUT WE

37:21WOULD CERTAINLY WORK TO AMEND

37:23IT.

37:24AND WHAT DO YOU THINK UH IS THE

37:26ADMINISTRATION NOT SUPPORTING

37:27IT BECAUSE IT'S TOO TOO

37:31INCLUSIVE AND IT RESTRICTS SO

37:33MUCH OR IS ARE YOU THINKING

37:36MAYBE IF IT WAS KIND OF UM

37:39NARROWED DOWN UM, WHERE THERE

37:42WAS SOME TYPE OF COMPROMISE I

37:44JUST WANTED TO GET AN IDEA

37:45OF IS THERE A COMPROMISE TO BE

37:47HAD?

37:48UM, WITH WITH THIS DOCUMENT

37:53THAT THAT MAY BE WATERED DOWN

37:55ON MAY BE THERE MIGHT BE SOME

37:56COMPROMISE.

37:57YEAH.

37:58>> I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE

37:59WANT TO NECESSARILY SAY WE'RE

38:00WATERING DOWN ANYTHING BUT WE

38:01DEFINITELY NEED TO UPDATE OUR

38:03ZONING DEFINITIONS.

38:04SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT PLACE

38:06TO START UM DOING THINGS LIKE

38:09THAT.

38:10UM AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE

38:12WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION

38:13ON WHERE THESE SUBDISTRICTS GET

38:16MAPPED AT THE.

38:17>> END OF THE DAY.

38:17SO HOW WOULD YOU HOW WOULD YOU

38:18UPDATE THE ZONING REGULATIONS

38:20THEN HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT?

38:22WE WOULD WE WOULD LITERALLY

38:23NEED TO WRITE NEW DEFINITIONS.

38:26I THINK THE BOTH

38:27COUNCIL CULPEPER AND

38:28COUNCILOR WERE ALL HAVE HAVE

38:30ACTUALLY GIVEN US A GOOD START

38:32ON UM IN REFERENCE TO THEIR IN

38:35THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL.

38:36THEY'VE GOT SOME NEW ZONING

38:38DEFINITIONS THAT WE CAN REVIEW

38:39AND WORK WITH THEM ON.

38:40OH SO SO THIS THIS COULD BE A

38:44START IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING

38:48DRAFT COMMENTS ABOUT THE ZONING

38:50CHANGES WHETHER OR NOT YOU

38:52INCLUDE ALL OF IT.

38:53BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE START

38:55FROM COUNCIL IS CULPEPER AND

38:56WHERE ALL OF OF THE

38:58CONVERSATION IS THAT ACCURATE.

38:59>> OR SAYING I THINK IT'S A

39:00GOOD START TO THE CONVERSATION.

39:01OKAY.

39:02>> UM I THINK I'M OUT OF TIME

39:03AND I'LL BE RESPECTFUL TO MY

39:05COLLEAGUES.

39:05I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO STOP

39:06ASKING QUESTIONS NOW.

39:07THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

39:09THANK YOU SO MUCH,

39:10COUNCILOR FLYNN.

39:11COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE.

39:12THANK YOU.

39:13WE DID SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH

39:14BEEKEEPING WHERE THAT WAS IN

39:15THE ZONING CODE.

39:16WE DIDN'T BELIEVE IT BELONGED

39:17IN THE ZONING CODE.

39:18WE DID A ZONING AMENDMENT.

39:19WE HAD TO GO BEFORE THE ZONING

39:20COMMISSION.

39:21WE HAD TO CHANGE USES BECAUSE

39:22THERE ARE THINGS IN THE ZONING

39:23CODE THAT SO IT WAS A FORBIDDEN

39:25USE AND THEN UM FOR IN SOME

39:27AREAS A CONDITIONAL USE AND

39:28THEN WE WANTED TO MAKE IT ALL

39:29ABOUT USE AND THEN MADE IT AND

39:30WE HAD AN ORDINANCE.

39:32SO THERE ARE MODELS AND THERE

39:33ARE LOTS OF THINGS IN ZONING

39:34THAT WE NEED TO UPDATE.

39:36BUT UM I HAD A QUESTION

39:38REGARDING UH IT AS A AS IT

39:42RIGHT NOW IT'S A CONDITIONAL

39:44USE IN OUR ZONING CODE.

39:46UH THE TECHNOLOGICAL THE

39:47TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND DATA

39:48CENTERS AND UH AND THE TERM IS

39:51TECHNICAL TECHNOLOGICAL CENTERS

39:53AND DATA CENTERS.

39:54YEAH, THE TERM IS

39:56TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND DATA

39:57DISTRIBUTION CENTERS.

39:59IT IS IT IS LARGELY CONDITIONAL

40:02AND CITYWIDE.

40:04UH, WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS THERE

40:07ARE THREE AREAS IN WHICH IT IS

40:09ALLOWED TO.

40:10USE WHICH.

40:11I CAN NAME THEM FOR USE THE NEW

40:14MARKET IDA THE ROXBURY

40:16COMMUNITY COLLEGE E STREET AREA

40:19IN SOUTH BOSTON THAT'S THE

40:20LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREA IN SOUTH

40:22BOSTON.

40:22YEAH.

40:23>> SO AGAIN SIMILAR TO

40:24BEEKEEPING THERE ARE AREAS LIKE

40:25WHICH IT'S NOT UH WHOLESALE BUT

40:27PROBABLY IN THOSE AREAS IF YOU

40:28THINK ABOUT NEW MARKET OR RCC

40:29THERE IS EDUCATIONAL OR UM OR

40:33INDUSTRY REASONS FOR WHY THEY

40:35WANTED TO SORT OF THEY'VE

40:36ADVOCATED FOR IT TO BE AN

40:39ALLOWABLE USE OR THAT'S YOU

40:40KNOW, THE CITY ALLOWED THAT TO

40:41BE IN A UH A USE CAN YOU CAN

40:43YOU IS THERE A WAY TO

40:45DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE DATA

40:48CENTERS THAT UM OR INFORMATION

40:50WHATEVER THE CORRECT

40:51TERMINOLOGY IS THE

40:52TELECOMMUNICATION UNDERS THAT

40:53WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE CITY

40:56AND THE DATA CENTERS THAT ARE

40:58NOW A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION

41:01THAT RELATED VERY MUCH SO TO

41:03ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

41:04YES.

41:05>> AND IT'S THIS CONVERSATION

41:08CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING BETWEEN

41:08THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE

41:10ENVIRONMENT DEPARTMENT I WOULD

41:10SAY INTERNALLY UM WE'RE USING

41:12SOME OF GOVERNOR HEALEY'S

41:15EXECUTIVE ORDER TO TRY TO

41:16FIGURE OUT WHAT THESE TYPES

41:18OF THRESHOLDS ARE.

41:19I THINK IT'S LARGELY AROUND

41:21POWER.

41:23UM, AND THEN THE IMPACTS.

41:25SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY

41:26WHERE WE'LL WE'LL GO THAT

41:28DIRECTION WHEN WE'RE UM GOING

41:31THROUGH WHAT DEFINITION WHICH

41:33DATA CENTER, WHICH TYPE OF DOES

41:34OR FITS IN WHICH CATEGORY.

41:36BUT I THINK THAT'S THE

41:37DIRECTION WE'D GO.

41:39AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT WAS THE

41:41BASIS OF SORT OF WHERE DID THE

41:44COMMONWEALTH LOOK TO WHEN

41:45DRAFTING THE EXECUTIVE ORDER

41:47THAT THAT THE GOVERNOR DRAFTED

41:48?

41:50I ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW THE

41:51BASIS OF THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER.

41:53OKAY.

41:55>> UM, I I KNOW THAT.

41:57>> IT.

41:57WELL, I I HEARD THAT A PART

41:58OF IT WAS FROM AN ECONOMIC

42:00DEVELOPMENT BILL THAT IT WAS

42:02LIKE A PIECE OF AN ECONOMIC

42:03DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS ALREADY

42:04DRAFTED AND THEN THAT IT WENT

42:05TO THE INTO THE EXECUTIVE

42:06ORDER.

42:07OKAY.

42:08>> THANK YOU.

42:09>> UM, I THINK PEOPLE ARE

42:12RIGHTFULLY I'M RIGHTFULLY

42:14WORRIED ABOUT THE ROLE THAT

42:15THESE DATA CENTER AI DRIVEN

42:18DATA CENTERS, THE ROLE THAT

42:19THEY WILL HAVE IN OUR

42:21ENVIRONMENT AND IN OUR

42:23ECOSYSTEM.

42:23UM, AND SO I WANT US TO BE VERY

42:26VIGILANT WHEN IT ESPECIALLY

42:27WHEN A LOT OF THESE TOOLS I

42:28MEAN UM, OTHERS LOT OF THESE

42:29TOOLS ARE USED TO DISCRIMINATE

42:31AGAINST PEOPLE WHO ARE POOR

42:33BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FIND

42:34EMPLOYMENT AGAINST PEOPLE

42:34OF COLOR.

42:35AND SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT

42:36OF REASONS FOR US TO BE

42:37SKEPTICAL ABOUT THEIR ENTRY.

42:39UM, I, I WONDER IF THERE ARE

42:42MODELS THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE

42:43DONE OR IF WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME

42:44OF THE OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE

42:46TO SEE IF THERE ARE OTHER

42:47MODELS WHO SAID THAT THIS IS A

42:48GOOD START.

42:49YOU SAID THAT THE GOVERNOR'S

42:50EXECUTIVE ORDER PROVIDES A

42:52BLUEPRINT, BUT ARE THERE CITIES

42:53OUT THERE THAT ARE PROVIDING A

42:54BLUEPRINT THAT WE'VE DONE ANY

42:55RESEARCH ON TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE

42:56DOING?

42:57YEAH, WE'RE DEFINITELY SO I

43:00THINK THIS IS MOSTLY THROUGH

43:01THE C40, UH, C40 WORK WHERE WE

43:03DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN UH,

43:05TALKING WITH OTHER CITIES ABOUT

43:06HOW THEY'RE HANDING OFF THE TOP

43:08OF MY HEAD.

43:09I THINK WE LOOKED AT SEATTLE.

43:12WE LOOKED AT HOW PHOENIX IS

43:14HANDLING IT.

43:15COMPLETELY DIFFERENT USE CASE

43:16THERE.

43:18UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW AROUND

43:21IN THE DC AREA AND VIRGINIA HOW

43:23THEIR THEIR APPROACH TO DATA

43:25CENTERS WHICH IS VERY USUALLY

43:26PRO DATA CENTER.

43:28UM, PLACES LIKE LONDON AND THE

43:31UNITED KINGDOM UM AND DUBLIN

43:33HAS UH UH THE CHAIR MENTIONED.

43:36SO YEAH I THINK I THINK WE'RE

43:38TRYING TO TAKE BITS AND PIECES

43:40STEALING POLICY FROM EACH AND

43:42EVERY ONE OF THOSE CITIES.

43:44AND THE CITY YOU MENTIONED A

43:46CITY THAT SEEMS TO BE VERY LIKE

43:47DC THAT SEEMS TO BE PRO DATA

43:49CENTER.

43:50DC NOT NECESSARILY BUT THE LIKE

43:52THE OUTSKIRTS THE.

43:54OUTSKIRTS YEAH.

43:55>> IN YOUR AREA.

43:55BECAUSE WE ALSO HEAR WE HAVE

43:57ISSUES WITH OUR GRID SO I

43:58WONDER IF IF THAT'S A

44:00CONSIDERATION AS WELL RIGHT.

44:01WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE

44:02ARE HAVING TOUGH CONVERSATIONS

44:04ABOUT WHERE WE PUT IN A NEW

44:06SUBSTATION AND ALL OF THAT.

44:07SO HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO

44:08THESE CONVERSATIONS GIVEN THAT

44:11WE YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE EAST

44:12BOSTON SUBSTATION, MANY OF US

44:13FOUGHT AGAINST THAT.

44:14UM, AND AT THE SAME TIME WE

44:16REALIZE THAT WE HAVE ENERGY

44:17NEEDS THAT ARE URGENT NEEDS

44:19THAT ARE GROWING ACROSS THE

44:20CITY.

44:20SO JUST WANT TO.

44:23I THINK IT HAS TO BE PART AND

44:24PARCEL OF THE CONVERSATION.

44:25YOU CAN'T REALLY SEPARATE THE

44:27ENERGY CONSUMPTION FROM THE

44:30DEFINITION OF EVEN THE

44:31DEFINITION WHERE WE'RE UPDATING

44:33THE DEFINITION OF DATA CENTERS

44:35.

44:35IT IS REALLY ABOUT THE ENERGY

44:36THAT THEY'RE CONSUMING.

44:38UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO SIZE

44:40THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE

44:41HANDLING EACH OF THE REQUESTS

44:43APPROPRIATELY.

44:45UM, I, I DO THINK THAT WHAT WE

44:48WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE

44:49MAINTAIN SOME LOCAL CONTROL

44:51OVER WHERE THEY GO AND ARE

44:53CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR

44:55COMMUNITY INPUT TO BE PART

44:57OF THAT PROCESS.

44:58YEAH.

44:58>> WHICH IS WHY THE CONDITIONAL

44:59USE IS AN IMPORTANT PART

45:00OF SORT OF THE CURRENT ZONING

45:01THAT YEAH YEAH OKAY.

45:03THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

45:04>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

45:05THANK YOU SO MUCH.

45:06UM AND JUST TAKING A LITTLE BIT

45:08OF MY PRIVILEGE AS THE CHAIR

45:09UM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH

45:12THAT CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE

45:15HAVING BE REALLY NUANCED

45:17BECAUSE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY UM,

45:20ESSENTIALLY RIGHT NOW THERE'S

45:23NO HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS THAT

45:24ARE PROPOSED AND THERE'S NOT NO

45:26PERSON WHO WOULD WANT TO SPEND

45:28NO NO NO COMPANY THAT WOULD

45:30WANT TO SPEND THAT MUCH ON LAND

45:33AND THAT MUCH ON CONSTRUCTION

45:34IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

45:35WE'RE NOT EVEN YOU KNOW WHAT I

45:36MEAN?

45:37THERE'S A BUNCH OF PROJECTS

45:38THAT EVERYONE WANTS THAT WE

45:39CAN'T GET OFF THE GROUND RIGHT

45:40NOW.

45:41SO UM SO THOUGH THIS IS AN

45:42IMPORTANT CONVERSATION TO HAVE

45:45IT IT IT REALLY IS ABOUT WHAT

45:48USES EXIST.

45:50UM, AND I JUST THINK IT'S

45:51IMPORTANT THAT UM, WHATEVER WE

45:55DO HERE IS GOING TO IMPACT THE

45:56DATA CENTERS THAT CURRENTLY

45:57EXIST IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

45:59IT MIGHT NOT IMPACT THEM

46:00BECAUSE THEY'RE PREEXISTING

46:02NON-CONFORMING, BUT IT MAY END

46:04UP IMPACTING THEM WHEN THEY

46:05WANT TO COME IN TO CHANGE

46:06SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROJECT

46:08THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE TO

46:09MAKE IT MORE GREEN.

46:11AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE

46:12THAT WHATEVER WE DO IS ALLOWING

46:14PEOPLE TO CHANGE THEIR CURRENT

46:18INTO LIKE FOR INSTANCE THE DATA

46:20CENTER ABOVE THE MACY'S THAT WE

46:21ARE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DATA

46:23CENTER MORE GREEN WHEN THAT

46:24TIME COMES WHEN THEY'RE ABLE TO

46:26DO THAT WORK.

46:27SO UM SO NEXT WE'LL HEAR FROM

46:29COUNCILOR WEBER.

46:30UM, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE

46:32NEXT PANEL AFTER THAT EXCEPT

46:33FOR WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW A

46:34COUPLE QUESTIONS FROM THE LEAD

46:36SPONSOR.

46:36UM ADDITIONALLY GO AHEAD,

46:38COUNCILOR WEBER OKAY.

46:39>> UH THANKS.

46:40UH, YEAH.

46:40JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THAT LAST

46:41POINT FOR UH, JEFF.

46:45TO YOU KNOW, IF IF WE WERE

46:46GOING TO REGULATE.

46:47DATA CENTERS, IS THERE

46:48SOMETHING AND CAN WE IS A

46:50ZONING CODE A GOOD TOOL.

46:52TO REQUIRE.

46:52ENERGY EFFICIENT, YOU KNOW,

46:54SORT OF GREEN UH, TECHNOLOGY OR

46:57GREEN, YOU KNOW, ENERGY SOURCES

47:00WITH THAT?

47:00UH.

47:02WE'VE CERTAINLY DONE SOME

47:03OF THAT THROUGH THE ZONING

47:04CODE.

47:04I WOULD SAY THAT THE

47:07DEFINITIONS ARE WHAT MATTERS UH

47:09,IN TERMS OF LIKE FIRST AND

47:11FOREMOST.

47:13SO FIGURING OUT WHAT CATEGORIES

47:15OF DATA CENTERS WE'RE TALKING

47:16ABOUT AND WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED

47:18WHERE THEY MIGHT BE CONDITIONAL

47:19,WHERE THEY MIGHT BE FORBIDDEN

47:22IS AND THAT'S PROBABLY BASED

47:23OFF OF YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH

47:26OUTPUT THERE THAT THEY REQUIRE

47:28.

47:29UM AND SO FROM WHAT YOU KNOW

47:31ABOUT THE PROJECTS IN GENERAL

47:33AND PLANNING IN THE CITY LIKE

47:34WE'RE NOT EXPECTING TO SEE A

47:37PROPOSAL FOR LIKE ONE OF THE

47:38HYPER SCALE, UH, DATA CENTERS

47:42HERE.

47:42I'M I'M I'M DEFINITELY NOT

47:44EXPECTING THAT UH, GIVEN OUR

47:46LAND VALUES.

47:48AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, EVEN SO,

47:49OTHER CITIES LIKE WE HEAR ABOUT

47:50LIKE PHOENIX, ARIZONA I MEAN,

47:53I, I ALMOST LIKE YOU KNOW, NOT

47:55ALL CITIES ARE THE SAME AND I

47:57FEEL LIKE THERE'S LOTS OF LAND

47:59.

47:59IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT BOSTON

48:00SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU WOULDN'T

48:02EXPECT US TO SEE IT HERE?

48:03BUT YOU KNOW.

48:06I JUST THINK WE HAVE A LIMITED

48:08AMOUNT OF INDUSTRIAL LAND IN

48:09THE CITY.

48:10UM, IT'S A DENSELY POPULATED

48:13AREA AND AND AGAIN THE LAND

48:16VALUES ARE SUPER HIGH.

48:18SO UH, TO.

48:20TO UH BASICALLY GET ALL OF THAT

48:23LAND WOULD REQUIRE QUITE A LOT.

48:26OKAY.

48:26>> AND IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT

48:28PROXIMITY TO THESE DATA CENTERS

48:30THAT'S HELPFUL?

48:31I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE

48:33IF THEY BUILD SOMETHING IN

48:36NEBRASKA LIKE THAT WE COULD

48:37BENEFIT FROM THAT.

48:39I JUST DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW

48:41UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD A COMPANY

48:43WANT TO BUILD ONE?

48:44I THINK.

48:46IT IT HELPS IT HELPS A BIT BUT

48:49UM, FOR EXAMPLE SOME OF OUR OUR

48:51CLOUD INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN A

48:54CENTER IN NEW JERSEY.

48:55UM, SO IT IT HELPS A BIT AND

48:58YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO YOU

49:00DON'T WANT TO BE POWERING YOUR

49:02CLOUD FROM THE WEST COAST IF

49:04YOU'RE ON THE EAST COAST.

49:06BUT UM THERE IS NOW WAYS

49:10OF MOVING THAT ACCESS ALONG.

49:14UM AND DO YOU THINK IF WE DON'T

49:16HAVE DATA CENTERS HERE LIKE

49:17WOULD THAT INFLUENCE COMPANIES

49:21WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE

49:22THEIR SORT OF HEADQUARTERS

49:24HERE?

49:25YOU KNOW WE'RE SEEING I THINK

49:27AMAZON YOU KNOW, ISN'T USING

49:28ALL THE SPACE THAT THEY WERE

49:30ORIGINALLY GOING TO USE.

49:32UH IS THAT EASY TO DO WITH

49:34ACCESS TO THE DATA CENTERS OR

49:37DATA CENTERS?

49:40I HONESTLY I HAVEN'T I HAVEN'T

49:41HEARD THAT I THINK THAT IN THE

49:43UPDATE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING

49:45ABOUT NOW SO BEYOND THE

49:46HYPERSCALE 100 MEGAWATT TYPE

49:50OF INFRASTRUCTURE UM THE WAY

49:53WHAT WE HOW WE DEFINE THE ONE

49:56THE THE DATA CENTERS THAT ARE

49:58FOR, YOU KNOW, INSTITUTIONAL

49:60USE OR UM, SOME OF THE

50:03INNOVATION IN THE ECONOMY TYPE

50:05OF COMPANIES WILL WILL MATTER.

50:06BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS HAS

50:08BEEN AN INHIBITOR IN ANY WAY

50:10THAT THERE'S ENOUGH ACCESS TO

50:12REGIONAL DATA CENTERS, UM ALONG

50:14THE EAST COAST ANYWAY OR THE

50:16MIDWEST THAT IS SUFFICIENT TO

50:20POWER OUR COMPANIES TO OKAY.

50:22AND I GUESS SO VIRGINIA AS WE

50:24TALKED ABOUT HAS THE THE MOST

50:26DATA CENTERS IN THE COUNTRY.

50:28UH AND DO YOU KNOW WHY THAT IS.

50:32THEY MIGHT I TO BE I DON'T I I

50:35DON'T KNOW FOR SURE MY GUESS IS

50:37THERE'S A FEW THERE'S A

50:39DEVELOPER OF LAND THAT IT'S NOT

50:41TOO EXPENSIVE AND THEY HAVE

50:44POLICIES THAT ARE MORE

50:45CONDUCIVE UM IT DOESN'T IT HAS

50:49GENERALLY IT HAS TENDED TO REST

50:52LESS ON ENERGY BECAUSE THEY

50:55WILL THEY WILL COME UP WITH

50:57THAT ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE UM

50:59MAYBE AT THE COST OF THE

51:01COMMUNITY.

51:01OKAY.

51:02>> AND THEN I GUESS THAT SORT

51:03OF YOU KNOW, I THINK

51:05UNDERSTANDING THE NEGATIVE

51:06IMPACTS UH OF THE OF THE DATA

51:09CENTERS UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE

51:11ONE IN BOSTON THAT I THINK THAT

51:14THAT'S WE ALL AGREED WE DON'T

51:15WANT TO SEE IT HERE BUT IF IT'S

51:17JUST OUTSIDE IT'S GOING TO HAVE

51:18THE SAME IMPACT.

51:19SO WHAT IS THE STATE HOW'S THE

51:20STATE DOING IN TERMS

51:22OF REGULATING THAT.

51:23AND YOU KNOW WHAT DO YOU THINK

51:25WE COULD DO TO.

51:28UH WELL THERE'S A I THINK

51:29THERE'S A MORATORIUM ON THEM

51:30RIGHT NOW.

51:32UM UNTIL I THINK FURTHER

51:35CONVERSATION BUT THERE'S A YEAR

51:37MORATORIUM ON THEM.

51:38I BELIEVE.

51:39I SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT THE

51:41GOVERNOR HAS DONE AN EXECUTIVE

51:43ORDER PUSHING IT TO LOCAL

51:45CONTROL, WHICH IS.

51:46WELL.

51:47>> KIND OF WHY WE'RE HAVING

51:48THIS CONVERSATION AS A CITY.

51:50UM, BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S

51:51REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT

51:53WE DO UM, COUNCILOR WEBER HAVE

51:55SOME DATA CENTERS THAT EXIST

51:56WITHIN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

51:57UM, SO IT'S NOT THAT WE WON'T

52:00OR DON'T HAVE ANY DATA CENTERS,

52:01IT'S THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY JUST

52:03NOT WHAT YOU'RE IMAGINING AND.

52:04I'M REFERRING TO THE HYPER.

52:06YEAH.

52:06>> YEAH.

52:06I THINK.

52:07YOU KNOW, UH UH AND SO IT'S

52:10GOING TO BE LEFT TO LOCAL

52:11CONTROL BUT I MEAN I GUESS JUST

52:14AS A FOLLOW UP ANY ANY

52:15SUGGESTIONS FOR ADVOCACY AT THE

52:16STATE LEVEL?

52:18UH.

52:21I DON'T KNOW I.

52:26I MEAN FROM FROM WHERE WE ARE

52:28AS YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE SORT

52:29OF BEGINNING TO FIGURE THIS

52:31OUT.

52:31I THINK IT'S A RELATIVELY NEW I

52:35MEAN, HYPERSCALERS HAVE ONLY

52:37COME INTO THE LEXICON

52:40RELATIVELY RECENTLY.

52:40SO I THINK WE'RE ALL IN THE

52:42SAME SORT OF POSITION WHERE

52:43WE'RE UM, MAYBE IN A LITTLE BIT

52:46OF A REACTIVE STANCE.

52:47BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE

52:48THINKING ABOUT THIS STUFF AND I

52:49THINK UH, AS THE CITY OF BOSTON

52:52WE FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE

52:54ABOUT THE CURRENT REGULATORY

52:56TOOLS THAT WE HAVE TO.

52:58TO POTENTIALLY HAVE TO NAVIGATE

53:02UH, SOMEBODY THAT'S EITHER

53:03PROPOSING ONE OR AND I THINK

53:05THE STATE FEELS SIMILARLY ABOUT

53:07WHAT THEY HAVE.

53:08UM, IT'S IT WAS PROPOSED IN YOU

53:11KNOW, IN THE GREATER BOSTON

53:12AREA.

53:13UM.

53:14>> I MEAN ONE THING I WOULD ADD

53:15IS THAT POWER IS EXPENSIVE

53:17AROUND HERE.

53:18UM, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY

53:21GREAT FOR RUNNING A HYPERSCALER

53:22DATA CENTER.

53:24THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS

53:25GOING TO ADD IS BECAUSE WE IT

53:28IS IT HAS BEEN PUSHED TO LOCAL

53:29AUTHORITY.

53:29THE WORK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO

53:31STAND UP NOW IS TO APPLY SOME

53:33OF THE BEST PRACTICES FROM

53:34THESE OTHER PLACES AND MAKE

53:37SURE THAT THEY REFLECT BOSTON

53:38GOALS BOSTON PLANS UM, THIS

53:42ZONING EFFORT.

53:44UM, SO THERE'S THERE'S QUITE A

53:46FEW THINGS THAT WE HAVE

53:47UNDERWAY THAT TO JEFF'S POINT,

53:49WE HAVE SOME REGULATORY

53:50STRUCTURE IN PLACE ALREADY THAT

53:52IMPLIES A CERTAIN KIND OF UM,

53:55AUTHORITY OVER THE OVER THE

53:57DATA CENTERS THAT WOULD COME

53:58IN.

53:59OKAY.

54:00>> YEAH.

54:00THANK YOU.

54:00CHAIR.

54:01THANK YOU SO MUCH,

54:01COUNCILOR WEBER.

54:02UM, AS, UM, COUNCILOR CULPEPPER

54:05IS THE LEAD SPONSOR, I WANTED

54:06TO GIVE HIM AN ADDITIONAL THREE

54:07MINUTES.

54:08HE HAD A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS

54:09AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO

54:10THE NEXT PANEL.

54:11UM, JUST THERE IS GOING TO BE

54:13TWO TESTIMONY.

54:15UM, MY TWO PIECES TWO PEOPLE

54:17ARE GOING TO TESTIFY IN BETWEEN

54:18THE SECOND AND THIRD PANEL.

54:20SO SAM CAHILL, YOU'LL BE THE

54:21FIRST PERSON TO TESTIFY.

54:23UM, COUNCILOR CULPEPPER, YOU

54:24HAVE THE FLOOR.

54:25THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

54:26UH, JUST HAD A COUPLE

54:28OF QUESTIONS.

54:29ONE OF THEM HAD THAT HAD TO DO

54:30WITH THE C40 PACK AND THE CITY

54:3340 PACKS.

54:34AS WE'RE ESTABLISHING THE

54:36GLOBAL CITY VISION FOR THE

54:37SECTOR THROUGH FOUR KEY PILLARS

54:41SETTING A CLEAR STANDARD FOR

54:43SUSTAINABLE URBAN DATA CENTERS

54:45GROUNDED IN EQUITY AND

54:47COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT MEET

54:49LOCAL RESIDENTS NEEDS.

54:51HOW ARE YOU ENGAGING THE LOCAL

54:54COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO

54:56UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LOCAL

54:58RESIDENTS NEEDS ARE?

55:01UM, WELL, PLANNING HAS A

55:03PLAYBOOK.

55:03I THINK THIS IS YOU KNOW, THESE

55:05DATA CENTERS IF THEY WERE

55:07COMPLETELY NEW AND NOT UM,

55:09DOUBLE YOU KNOW, REPURPOSE OR

55:11DOUBLE CO-LOCATED WOULD BE A

55:14BIG PIECE OF WOULD BE ANOTHER

55:15BIG BUILDING OR SOME KIND

55:17OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.

55:19AND WE HAVE A PROCESS NOW WHERE

55:22WE HAVE A WE HAVE A COMMUNITY

55:25ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.

55:27WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT

55:28COMMUNITY BENEFITS, UM TO

55:31REFLECT WHAT THE IMMEDIATELY

55:33SURROUNDING COMMUNITY NEEDS AS

55:34WELL AS THE WIDER CITY.

55:36AND I ALSO BELIEVE THIS IS A

55:38VERY, VERY NEW TOPIC.

55:39THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS WITH

55:43RESEARCHERS AND EVEN THE UM I

55:47IT'S A FRONTIER COMPANY.

55:48SO LIKE THE ANTHROPIC THE UM

55:51THE UM OPEN THE EYES ON HOW TO

55:54ACCOUNT FOR THE UM THE HOW TO

55:59MITIGATE THE IMPACT ON

56:01COMMUNITIES RECOGNIZING THAT

56:01THERE IS THAT IMPACT.

56:02AND SO THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE

56:04UNDER WAY AND WHAT WE ARE

56:07TRYING TO DO WITH THESE RE

56:08DEFINITIONS IS TO MAKE SURE

56:09THAT WE'RE READY FOR THEM.

56:10JUST A YES OR NO ANSWER.

56:11WHAT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY?

56:13HAVE YOU GONE TO THE COMMUNITY

56:14YET TO BEGIN THOSE DISCUSSIONS

56:16WITH THE COMMUNITIES?

56:18WELL THERE'S NO CURRENT

56:19PROPOSAL.

56:20SO WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS THAT

56:21WHAT HAPPENED.

56:22AFTER I UNDERSTAND BUT I'M

56:23LOOKING AT IT FROM THE C40

56:25PERSPECTIVE.

56:26WE'RE A MEMBER OF THAT.

56:27I'M JUST ASKING YOU AS A RESULT

56:30OF WHAT C40 SAID, SO HAVE WE

56:32STARTED THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH

56:33THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT THEIR

56:35NEEDS ARE AND WHAT THE

56:37COMMUNITY BENEFITS ARE?

56:38WE HAVE NOT STARTED THOSE

56:40DISCUSSIONS.

56:41OKAY.

56:42>> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD HAD

56:44TO DO WITH THE FRANCHISE

56:46LICENSE IS THAT YOU SAID YOU

56:47HAVE WITH OTHER BUSINESSES.

56:49WHAT ARE THOSE OTHER BUSINESSES

56:50THAT WE HAVE FRANCHISE LICENSES

56:52WITH?

56:53THE ONE THE MODEL.

56:54>> I WAS REFERRING TO IS WITH

56:56OUR TELECOMMUNICATIONS, UM, WE

56:58HAVE A FRANCHISE WITH VERIZON

57:01AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE MORE

57:03INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.

57:04HAPPY TO SEND THEM ALONG.

57:05I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON THAT.

57:07IS ARISING THE ONLY BUSINESS.

57:09>> THAT'S THE ONE I'M AWARE OF.

57:10OKAY.

57:11>> IF THERE ARE OTHERS CAN YOU

57:12LET US KNOW THROUGH THE COURSE?

57:14AND MY FINAL QUESTION WAS FOR

57:16JEFF.

57:16JEFF, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT

57:18THOSE THREE AREAS WHERE UH

57:21THEIR ALLOWABLE USE I WASN'T IT

57:24WASN'T CLEAR TO ME.

57:25WHAT THE ALLOWABLE USE HIS

57:26WORTH FOR THOSE THREE AREAS

57:28THAT ROXBURY, SOUTH BOSTON AND

57:30NEW MARKET AREA.

57:32THAT IS JUST THE THOSE ARE JUST

57:34THE AREAS THAT ARE THAT

57:37TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND DATA

57:38CENTER DISTRIBUTION ARE ALL OWN

57:40.

57:40HOW DO.

57:41>> YOU READ THE AREAS OR THE

57:42ZONING CODE AREAS?

57:46YEAH.

57:46>> SO IT'S THE NEW MARKET IDA

57:48THIS EXCLUDING THE CORE

57:51INDUSTRIAL GATEWAY INDUSTRIAL

57:51AND CREATIVE INDUSTRIAL

57:53SUBDISTRICT.

57:54SO IT'S UH.

57:54SAY THAT AGAIN.

57:56NEW MARKET IDEA.

57:57AND EXCLUDING WHAT.

57:59I CAN GET ALL OF THIS TO YOU ON

58:01THE RHETORIC FOR SURE.

58:02UH, BUT YES, IT'S EXCLUDING

58:04CORE INDUSTRIAL GATEWAY

58:06INDUSTRIAL AND CREATIVE

58:07INDUSTRIAL SUBDISTRICTS.

58:09UM, THEN THERE'S ONE IN THE

58:11ROXBURY COMMUNITY COLLEGE

58:12SUBDISTRICT.

58:13IT'S AN ALLOWED USE.

58:14WE ACTUALLY I BELIEVE THE

58:16BACKSTORY ON THAT IS THAT THEY

58:17WERE APPLYING FOR A GRANT AND

58:20WE WANTED AS A CITY TO SHOW

58:21SUPPORT FOR, YOU KNOW, THE

58:24DEVELOPMENT OF SOME TECHNICAL

58:25LOGICAL EDUCATION INNOVATION,

58:28UH, STUFF.

58:29I DON'T THINK THEY ENDED UP

58:30ACTUALLY BUILDING WHAT THEY

58:31WERE HOPING TO BUILD.

58:33UM, AND THEN THE FINAL ONE IS

58:35THE E STREET AREA IN SOUTH

58:36BOSTON, WHICH IS THE LIGHT

58:37INDUSTRIAL SUB DISTRICT IN

58:39SOUTH BOSTON.

58:40THANKS.

58:40>> YEAH.

58:41AND I'M LOOKING FOR YOU TO

58:42PROVIDE ALL THE STUFF WHEN YOU

58:44GET A CHANCE IF YOU WOULD, UM,

58:46PROVIDE ALL THAT STUFF SO WE

58:47COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND

58:48THEN SIT DOWN, DISCUSS IT.

58:50THANK YOU.

58:50>> SO HAPPY TO DO SO.

58:51THANK YOU, COUNCILOR CULPEPER.

58:53UM, AND THANK YOU TO OUR

58:55ESTEEMED PANEL.

58:55YOU ARE RELIEVED WE'RE GOING TO

58:58MOVE TO UM TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY

59:00AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO.

59:02UM, IF IF THOSE THAT ARE ON THE

59:03SECOND PANEL COULD GO AHEAD AND

59:05COME DOWN.

59:06UM AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO

59:07TO SAM CAHILL AND DAN DALEY FOR

59:10TESTIMONY AND FOR TESTIMONY YOU

59:13CAN STAND AT EITHER OF THESE

59:15TWO MICROPHONES.

59:22YEAH.

59:25I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A

59:26SECOND.

59:26PITCH LIKE.

59:27>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IT?

59:29SAM I'LL ASK YOU TO GO ONCE

59:32THEY'RE ALL SEATED OKAY.

59:32OKAY.

59:39OKAY.

59:40PERFECT.

59:40SAM, YOU CAN GO AHEAD.

59:42GREAT.

59:42GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR DURKAN

59:43AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

59:45MY NAME IS SAM CAHILL AND I AM

59:46HERE ON BEHALF OF ALONG WITH

59:47COLLECTIVE AND OUR HEALTH CARE,

59:49HIGHER EDUCATION AND CULTURAL

59:50MEMBER INSTITUTIONS IN THE

59:51LONGWOOD MEDICAL AND ACADEMIC

59:53AREA.

59:53THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY

59:55TO COMMENT ON DOCKET 1718.

59:57WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE

59:58COUNCIL IS GRAPPLING WITH

59:59IMPORTANT QUESTIONS ABOUT LAND

1:00:00USE, INFRASTRUCTURE AND

1:00:01BOSTON'S LONG TERM GROWTH ALONG

1:00:03WITH COLLECTIVE IS NOT HERE

1:00:04TODAY TO TAKE A POSITION ON THE

1:00:05BROADER POLICY CONVERSATIONS

1:00:07AROUND DATA CENTERS.

1:00:08RATHER, WE'RE HERE TO TALK

1:00:09ABOUT A TECHNICAL ASPECT

1:00:10OF THIS PROPOSAL BECAUSE WE

1:00:12HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE

1:00:12POTENTIAL UNINTENDED

1:00:14CONSEQUENCES OF THE PETITION AS

1:00:15CURRENTLY DRAFTED.

1:00:17WE APPRECIATE THE EFFORT

1:00:18REFLECTED IN THE AMENDMENT TO

1:00:19DISTINGUISH DATA CENTERS FROM

1:00:20RESEARCH LABORATORIES AND

1:00:22EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES BECAUSE

1:00:24WE BELIEVE THAT DISTINCTION IS

1:00:25IMPORTANT WHEN MANY PEOPLE

1:00:27THINK ABOUT DATA CENTERS,

1:00:28THEY'RE UNDERSTANDABLY THINKING

1:00:29ABOUT A PARTICULAR TYPE

1:00:30OF STANDALONE HYPERSCALE

1:00:31FACILITY.

1:00:33HOSPITALS, UNIVERSITIES AND

1:00:34RESEARCH INSTITUTIONS, HOWEVER,

1:00:37INCREASINGLY RELY ON

1:00:38SOPHISTICATED COMPUTING

1:00:40INFRASTRUCTURE AS PART OF THEIR

1:00:41HEALTH CARE, EDUCATIONAL

1:00:42RESEARCH AND OPERATIONAL

1:00:43MISSIONS.

1:00:44DESPITE THESE DISTINCTIONS, WE

1:00:46REMAIN CONCERNED THAT THE

1:00:47PROPOSAL IS STILL BROAD ENOUGH

1:00:48TO CREATE UNCERTAINTY REGARDING

1:00:50THE COMPUTING INFRASTRUCTURE

1:00:52UPON WHICH OUR INSTITUTIONS

1:00:53RELY, INCLUDING SYSTEMS THAT

1:00:55SUPPORT PATIENT CARE,

1:00:57SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH, MEDICAL

1:00:58AND EXCUSE ME MEDICAL EDUCATION

1:01:01AND INSTITUTIONAL OPERATIONS AS

1:01:03WELL AS THOSE THAT RELY ON

1:01:04NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE AND

1:01:05THIRD PARTY HOSTING OR

1:01:06CO-LOCATION ARRANGEMENTS.

1:01:09FOR THAT REASON, BEFORE THE

1:01:11COUNCIL CONSIDERS ADVANCING

1:01:12THIS PROPOSAL, WE RESPECTFULLY

1:01:13REQUEST THAT ANY AMENDMENT

1:01:15CLEARLY EXCLUDE HEALTH CARE,

1:01:16ACADEMIC RESEARCH, CLINICAL AND

1:01:18INSTITUTIONAL COMPUTING

1:01:20INFRASTRUCTURE.

1:01:21AS TECHNOLOGY CONTINUES TO

1:01:22EVOLVE, THESE CAPABILITIES WILL

1:01:24BECOME INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT

1:01:26TO WORK TO THE WORK THAT OUR

1:01:27INSTITUTIONS DO EVERY DAY.

1:01:29WE BELIEVE ANY ZONING AMENDMENT

1:01:30SHOULD BE DRAFTED CAREFULLY

1:01:31ENOUGH TO ENSURE THAT

1:01:32INSTITUTIONAL COMPUTING

1:01:34FUNCTIONS AND THE ACTIVITIES

1:01:35THEY SUPPORT ARE NOT

1:01:36INADVERTENTLY AFFECTED BY

1:01:38DEFINITIONS INTENDED TO ADDRESS

1:01:40A DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF USE.

1:01:42THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND

1:01:43CONSIDERATION ALONG WITH

1:01:44COLLECTIVE STANDS READY TO

1:01:45SERVE AS A RESOURCE AS THESE

1:01:47DISCUSSIONS CONTINUE.

1:01:48OKAY THANK YOU SO MUCH SAM.

1:01:51UM, DAN DALEY, YOU HAVE TWO

1:01:53MINUTES.

1:01:54THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

1:01:55AND UH, THANK YOU MY BOSTON

1:01:56CITY COUNCILORS FOR THE

1:01:58OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

1:01:59MY NAME IS DANIEL DALEY.

1:02:00I'M A LIFELONG BOSTON RESIDENT

1:02:01AND I'M A BUSINESS

1:02:03REPRESENTATIVE FOR LOCAL 103

1:02:04WITH THE ELECTRICIANS UNION.

1:02:06AND UH, MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH

1:02:08THIS PROPOSAL IS THE POTENTIAL

1:02:10IMPACT ON WORKING FAMILIES AND

1:02:11THE FUTURE JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN

1:02:13BOSTON, THOUSANDS OF LOCAL ONE

1:02:15AND THREE MEMBERS OF BOSTON

1:02:17RESIDENTS THEY'RE RAISING

1:02:18FAMILIES HERE.

1:02:19THE, UM THE BUYING HOMES HERE

1:02:21AND PAYING RENT AND MOST

1:02:23IMPORTANTLY SUPPORTING SMALL

1:02:24BUSINESSES.

1:02:25WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO

1:02:26MAKE SURE THESE OPPORTUNITIES

1:02:28REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR THE NEXT

1:02:30GENERATION OF LABOR.

1:02:32I BELIEVE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE

1:02:33BETWEEN RESPONSIBLY REGULATING

1:02:35DEVELOPMENT AND CREATING

1:02:37BARRIERS THAT COULD DISCOURAGE

1:02:38ENTIRE CATEGORY OF PROJECTS

1:02:40BEFORE THEY EVEN EVALUATED

1:02:43INDIVIDUALLY.

1:02:45TECHNOLOGY CONTINUES TO IMPROVE

1:02:47OUR OUR ELECTRICIANS ARE

1:02:49INSTALLING ADVANCED ELECTRICAL

1:02:50SYSTEMS THAT MAKE FACILITIES

1:02:51MORE EFFICIENT AND SUSTAINABLE

1:02:53.

1:02:54WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE THAT

1:02:55INNOVATION WHILE DEMANDING HIGH

1:02:56STANDARDS.

1:02:58WE NEED A FAIR REVIEW PROCESS

1:02:59IF A PROJECT ISN'T RIGHT FOR

1:03:01BOSTON, THE CITY SHOULD HAVE

1:03:02THE ABILITY TO REJECT IT.

1:03:04BUT IF A PROJECT MEETS

1:03:05ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS AND

1:03:06BENEFITS OUR COMMUNITY AND

1:03:08CREATES GOOD UNION JOBS, IT

1:03:10DESERVES A FAIR OPPORTUNITY AND

1:03:12SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.

1:03:13I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT

1:03:15DISCOURAGING PRIVATE INVESTMENT

1:03:16AT A TIME WHEN WE NEED TO

1:03:18CONTINUE CREATING JOB

1:03:20OPPORTUNITIES FOR BOSTON

1:03:21RESIDENTS.

1:03:21WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A FREE

1:03:22PASS ON DEVELOPERS.

1:03:24WE'RE ASKING FOR A FAIR PROCESS

1:03:25THAT PROTECTS OUR NEIGHBORHOODS

1:03:27WITHOUT UNNECESSARILY LIMITING

1:03:30OPPORTUNITIES FOR WORKING

1:03:31FAMILIES.

1:03:32WE NEED PLANS, NOT BANDS.

1:03:34AND I APPRECIATE, UH, YOU

1:03:36MAKING SURE WE'RE PART OF THIS

1:03:37CONVERSATION AND I HOPE SOME

1:03:39OF THESE POINTS CAN BE

1:03:40INCORPORATED IN THE TESTIMONY.

1:03:42THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE

1:03:43OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

1:03:44THANK YOU SO MUCH, DANIEL.

1:03:45AND UM, THANK YOU FOR SPENDING

1:03:47TIME WITH US HERE TODAY.

1:03:49SO WE HAVE A SECOND PANEL UM,

1:03:51WHICH I KNOW IS A IS A GREAT

1:03:53MIX OF FOLKS AND PERSPECTIVES.

1:03:56UM.

1:03:57>> SO UH.

1:03:58IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.

1:03:59GO DOWN THE LINE I KNOW YOU'VE

1:04:01EACH I THINK MOST OF YOU HAVE

1:04:02PREPARED A MINUTE TO JUST

1:04:04INTRODUCE YOURSELVES.

1:04:05UM AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HEAR

1:04:06FROM MY COLLEAGUES AND THEY

1:04:08WILL ASK QUESTIONS AND IF YOU

1:04:10FEEL LIKE THEY PERTAIN TO YOU,

1:04:11FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN WITH AN

1:04:12ANSWER.

1:04:13UM, THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT

1:04:14WORKS.

1:04:15SOMETIMES MY COLLEAGUES MIGHT

1:04:16DIRECT A SPECIFIC QUESTION TO

1:04:17YOU.

1:04:18UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT

1:04:19QUESTION IS FOR YOU.

1:04:20UM, BUT FEEL FREE.

1:04:22UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS I KNOW

1:04:24FOR MANY OF YOU YOU KNOW,

1:04:26YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE AND

1:04:27SOME OF YOU IT'S YOUR FIRST

1:04:28TIME.

1:04:29SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS

1:04:30FEEL FREE TO ASK.

1:04:31UM AND THEN I'M GOING TO I'M

1:04:33NOT GOING TO I'M GOING TO DO A

1:04:35UM TIMER ON HERE BUT IT'S NOT

1:04:36GOING TO BEEP.

1:04:37SO JUST NOTICE WHEN I HIT ZERO.

1:04:39OKAY.

1:04:39GO AHEAD.

1:04:41GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCILORS MY

1:04:43NAME IS MARY ONE BOYD AND I'M A

1:04:45LAW RESIDENT AND A MEMBER

1:04:47OF HONEST FUTURE FOR LAW, WHICH

1:04:49IS A GRASSROOT LED EFFORT.

1:04:51FORMED TO PUSH BACK.

1:04:53AGAINST HARMFUL DATA CENTER

1:04:55EXPANSION IN SOUTH LAWN.

1:04:57WE ARE WE ARE NOT UNTIED DATA

1:05:00CENTERS.

1:05:00WE ARE FOR GROWTH AND

1:05:02DEVELOPMENT THAT KEEPS

1:05:05MUNICIPAL BUDGETS.

1:05:06STRONG AND PROTECTS RESIDENTS.

1:05:09UH, DATA CENTER IN LAW IS 50MW

1:05:12ENOUGH ELECTRICITY TO POWER AT

1:05:14LEAST 30,000 HOMES.

1:05:17UM, RESIDENTS HAVE EXPERIENCED

1:05:20A LOT OF NOISE.

1:05:21UH, CHRONIC.

1:05:22STREET FLOODING.

1:05:24AND DESPITE THE DATA CENTER

1:05:26RECEIVING $77 MILLION IN, UH,

1:05:30TAX INCENTIVES, THE FACILITY

1:05:32THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR TEN

1:05:34YEARS PROVIDES FEWER THAN 40

1:05:36JOBS.

1:05:37SO I WANT TO COMMEND BOSTON.

1:05:39FOR HAVING THIS CITY, UH,

1:05:43BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT

1:05:45MUNICIPALITIES ARE THE ONES

1:05:46THAT ARE GOING TO.

1:05:47ACT ON BEHALF OF THEIR

1:05:49RESIDENTS.

1:05:51THANK YOU.

1:05:51>> THANK YOU.

1:05:55THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND

1:05:57COUNCILOR CULPEPER

1:05:57COUNCILOR FOR ALL MEMBERS

1:05:58OF THE COMMITTEE.

1:05:59UH, MY NAME IS ON FAROOQUI.

1:06:00I'M EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE

1:06:01BOSTON CLIMATE ACTION NETWORK

1:06:02AND I ALSO SERVE ON THE CITY

1:06:04OF BOSTON REVIEW BOARD UM,

1:06:06OVERSEEING GREENHOUSE GAS

1:06:07EMISSIONS FROM OUR LARGE

1:06:08BUILDINGS.

1:06:08AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE

1:06:10CONVERSATION TODAY.

1:06:10OBVIOUSLY NO ONE WANTS TO SEE

1:06:12SOME OF THE, UH, SIDE EFFECTS

1:06:14THAT WE'VE SEEN ACROSS THE

1:06:15COUNTRY IN TERMS OF HIGHER

1:06:16ENERGY COSTS AND AIR POLLUTION

1:06:18AND WATER DEPLETION.

1:06:19UM, AND SO WE NEED TO HAVE A

1:06:21BALANCED AND STRATEGIC AND

1:06:22PROACTIVE APPROACH HERE IN THE

1:06:24CITY, UM, THAT PROTECTS OUR

1:06:26RESIDENTS FROM THOSE EFFECTS

1:06:27AND ALSO PROTECTS OUR WORKERS

1:06:29AND PARTICULARLY MAKE SURE THAT

1:06:30CONSTRUCTION JOBS OR HIGH ROAD

1:06:32UNION JOBS.

1:06:33UM.

1:06:34>> AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THE

1:06:36CONVERSATION AND TO YOUR

1:06:37QUESTIONS.

1:06:37THANK YOU.

1:06:38THANK YOU JUSTIN.

1:06:40GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL.

1:06:41THANK YOU FOR THE HEARING.

1:06:43MY NAME IS TRISTAN THOMAS.

1:06:44I'M DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND LAW

1:06:45FOR ACE ALTERNATIVES FOR

1:06:47COMMUNITY AND ENVIRONMENT

1:06:49ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE NONPROFIT

1:06:50THAT'S BEEN WORKING ON THE

1:06:51ISSUE OF DATA CENTERS FOR OVER

1:06:52TWO YEARS NOW.

1:06:53WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT

1:06:55LEGAL POLICY AND ORGANIZING

1:06:57RESOURCES TO COMMUNITIES IN

1:06:58LOWELL, WESTFIELD AS WELL AS

1:07:00NATIONWIDE WERE PART

1:07:01OF NATIONWIDE PLATFORMS AND IN

1:07:03DOING THIS WORK AND ENGAGING

1:07:04WITH DOZENS AND DOZENS

1:07:05COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY

1:07:06.

1:07:07ONE THING IS COMMON DATA

1:07:09CENTERS ARE A THREAT AND RISK

1:07:11TO COMMUNITIES.

1:07:11THEY EXTRACT OUR RESOURCES,

1:07:12THEY IMPOSE PUBLIC HEALTH

1:07:14HARMS.

1:07:14THEY THREATEN OUR GRID

1:07:16RELIABILITY, CONTRIBUTE TO

1:07:17BLACKOUTS AND ALL IN EXCHANGE

1:07:19FOR PROMISES OF ECONOMIC

1:07:21DEVELOPMENT, INNOVATION AND IN

1:07:23JOBS.

1:07:23AND I ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO CHECK

1:07:24OUT GREAT RESEARCH BY

1:07:26ORGANIZATIONS LIKE GOOD JOBS

1:07:27FIRST, WHICH LOOKS INTO TAX

1:07:29INCENTIVES AND JOB CREATION AND

1:07:30SHOWS TO MARY'S POINT THAT VERY

1:07:32LITTLE JOBS ARE CREATED.

1:07:34SO ON THIS QUESTION

1:07:35OF PROHIBITION VERSUS

1:07:36MORATORIUM VERSUS REGULATION,

1:07:38WE NEED SOME LEVEL

1:07:40OF PROTECTIONS AND UNTIL THOSE

1:07:41ARE ESTABLISHED NO DATA CENTERS

1:07:42SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE BUILT

1:07:44OR EXPANDED.

1:07:45AND I'M HAPPY TO ENGAGE ON A

1:07:46CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT THE

1:07:47RIGHT THRESHOLDS ARE.

1:07:49THE STATE THRESHOLDS ARE WAY

1:07:50TOO HIGH.

1:07:50I THINK TEN MEGAWATTS IS

1:07:52PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE BUT

1:07:53ALSO BEYOND SPECIFIC THRESHOLDS

1:07:55AROUND ELECTRICITY, WATER,

1:07:58NOISE, LAND USE WE ALSO NEED A

1:08:00CUMULATIVE IMPACT ANALYSIS AND

1:08:02AN AFFIRMATIVE PERMIT FROM AN

1:08:04ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT THAT

1:08:05THERE IS NO ENVIRONMENTAL HARM

1:08:07.

1:08:07AND SO THINKING ABOUT THOSE

1:08:08QUANTITATIVE UH THRESHOLDS BUT

1:08:10ALSO QUALITATIVE AND.

1:08:12CUMULATIVE IMPACT ANALYZES.

1:08:13THANK YOU.

1:08:14THANK YOU.

1:08:16>> THANK YOU CHAIR AND

1:08:17COUNCILORS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY

1:08:19TO SPEAK TODAY.

1:08:20I'M AISHA JOSH COHEN PROFESSOR

1:08:21OF ELECTRICAL AND COMPUTER

1:08:22ENGINEERING AT BOSTON

1:08:23UNIVERSITY WHERE I WORKED FOR

1:08:2517 YEARS AT THIS POINT AND I'M

1:08:27ALSO CHIEF SCIENTIST AT EMERALD

1:08:29AI, A STARTUP COMPANY.

1:08:30I WAS A BOSTON RESIDENT FOR

1:08:32MOST OF THOSE YEARS AS WELL.

1:08:33SO BOSTON HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT

1:08:34PART OF MY LIFE AND I CARE

1:08:36DEEPLY ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND

1:08:37ITS CONCERNS.

1:08:38I'M HERE TO OFFER MY

1:08:39PERSPECTIVE AS A TECHNICAL

1:08:41EXPERT.

1:08:41THE CONCERNS ABOUT DATA CENTERS

1:08:43ARE REAL AND IMPORTANT AND WE

1:08:45MUST TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY.

1:08:46AS A COMPUTER ENGINEER, I'VE

1:08:47SPENT MY CAREER RESEARCHING

1:08:49ENERGY EFFICIENCY IN OTHER

1:08:51WORDS HOW TO ACCOMPLISH MORE

1:08:52COMPUTING USING FEWER RESOURCES

1:08:54.

1:08:54MUCH OF MY WORK HAS FOCUSED ON

1:08:56DATA CENTERS HOW THEY CAN USE

1:08:57ELECTRICITY MORE RESPONSIBLY.

1:08:59AND NOW I CONTINUE TO WORK AT A

1:09:00STARTUP TRANSLATING SOME

1:09:01OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES INTO

1:09:03PRACTICE SO DATA CENTERS CAN

1:09:04BECOME GOOD CITIZENS OF THE

1:09:06POWER GRID AND THEIR

1:09:07COMMUNITIES.

1:09:08I BELIEVE WE CAN ADDRESS MANY

1:09:09OF THESE CONCERNS RAISED TODAY

1:09:11THROUGH A FRAMEWORK THAT

1:09:12REQUIRES DATA CENTERS TO

1:09:13OPERATE RESPONSIBLY WHILE

1:09:15RESPECTING THE NEEDS AND

1:09:16LIMITATIONS OF OUR ELECTRICITY

1:09:17GRID COMMUNITIES AND THE

1:09:19ENVIRONMENT.

1:09:20MY EXPERTISE IS IN THE

1:09:21ELECTRICITY CONSUMPTION OF DATA

1:09:22CENTERS, SO I WILL TALK ABOUT

1:09:24THAT BRIEFLY AS AN EXAMPLE.

1:09:25BUT SIMILAR FRAMEWORKS CAN

1:09:27ADDRESS OTHER IMPACTS SUCH AS

1:09:29WATER USE, LAND USE, POLLUTION

1:09:30AND NOISE.

1:09:32SPECIFICALLY MY WORK FOCUSES ON

1:09:34POWER FLEXIBILITY ALSO CALLED

1:09:36GRID RESPONSIVE COMPUTING.

1:09:37FOR EXAMPLE, DURING AN EXTREME

1:09:40WEATHER EVENTS WHEN RESIDENTIAL

1:09:41ELECTRICITY DEMAND INCREASES

1:09:42SHARPLY, DATA CENTERS CAN

1:09:45TEMPORARILY REDUCE THEIR POWER

1:09:46CONSUMPTION BY ADJUSTING THEIR

1:09:48COMPUTING WORKLOADS WHILE

1:09:49PROTECTING THEIR CRITICAL

1:09:50SERVICES AT THE SAME TIME.

1:09:52THIS HELPS RELIEVE PRESSURE ON

1:09:53THE POWER GRID WHEN COMMUNITIES

1:09:55NEED ELECTRICITY THE MOST.

1:09:57THIS FLEXIBILITY APPROACH

1:09:58OFFERS THREE IMPORTANT BENEFITS

1:10:01GREATER GRID RESILIENCE,

1:10:02GREATER AFFORDABILITY AND MORE

1:10:04SUSTAINABLE ENERGY USE ACROSS

1:10:06THE UNITED STATES AND

1:10:08INTERNATIONALLY.

1:10:08UTILITIES AND REGULATORS ARE

1:10:09NOW EXPLORING POWER FLEXIBILITY

1:10:11REQUIREMENTS, PARTICULARLY FOR

1:10:13LARGE DATA CENTERS BUT MORE

1:10:15BROADLY SO.

1:10:16THIS PROVIDES AN EXAMPLE OF A

1:10:19FRAMEWORK AND POLICY DESIGNED

1:10:20TO ACCOMMODATE AFFORDABLE,

1:10:22EFFICIENT DATA CENTER GROWTH.

1:10:24IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO

1:10:25RECOGNIZE THAT LOCAL COMPUTING

1:10:27INFRASTRUCTURE IS ESSENTIAL TO

1:10:29OUR UNIVERSITIES, HOSPITALS,

1:10:30SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH, EDUCATION

1:10:31AND DAILY LIVES.

1:10:32MANY INSTITUTIONS ALREADY FACE

1:10:35CONSTRAINTS IN ACCESSING THE

1:10:36ADDITIONAL ELECTRICITY CAPACITY

1:10:37NEEDED TO EXPAND THEIR

1:10:39COMPUTING INFRASTRUCTURE.

1:10:40THEREFORE, WE NEED POLICIES

1:10:42THAT RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENT

1:10:43TYPES OF DATA CENTERS AND THEIR

1:10:45IMPACTS AND ESTABLISH CLEAR

1:10:47PRACTICAL STANDARDS FOR

1:10:48RESPONSIBLE OPERATION.

1:10:49BOSTON AND MASSACHUSETTS AS

1:10:51LEADERS IN INNOVATION HAVE AN

1:10:53OPPORTUNITY HERE TO PIONEER A

1:10:55THOUGHTFUL FRAMEWORK THAT

1:10:57PROTECTS OUR COMMUNITIES AND

1:10:58ENVIRONMENT WHILE ENABLING THE

1:11:00BENEFITS OF COMPUTING AND AI

1:11:02AND TO SERVE AS A MODEL FOR

1:11:04OTHER CITIES AND STATES.

1:11:05THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND

1:11:07CONCENTRATION.

1:11:07THANK YOU PROFESSOR.

1:11:13GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR.

1:11:15COUNSELOR CULPEPER AND MEMBERS

1:11:16OF THE COUNCIL.

1:11:17MY NAME IS MICHELLE BROOKS.

1:11:18I'M A SENIOR ORGANIZER WITH THE

1:11:21MASSACHUSETTS CHAPTER OF SIERRA

1:11:22CLUB.

1:11:24WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR

1:11:25HOLDING THIS IMPORTANT HEARING

1:11:26TODAY.

1:11:27THE SIERRA CLUB IS COMMITTED TO

1:11:30AND SUPPORTING THE AGENCY AND

1:11:32AUTONOMY OF COMMUNITIES TO

1:11:33DETERMINE WHAT IS BEST FOR

1:11:34THEMSELVES, INCLUDING ANALYZING

1:11:36THE COLLECTIVE GOOD AND HARM

1:11:38OF ANY INDIVIDUAL PROJECT.

1:11:40CRITICAL TO THIS IS DEVELOPING

1:11:42A SHARED LANGUAGE AND CLEAR

1:11:44NON-BIASED INFORMATION.

1:11:46WE MUST ALSO ANALYZE THE COST

1:11:48OF ANY DECISION.

1:11:50IN RECENT YEARS WE HAVE FOUND

1:11:51OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE

1:11:53THE GROWTH AND DEMANDS OF AI

1:11:55AND DATA INFRASTRUCTURE ARE

1:11:57OUTPACING OUR MUNICIPAL

1:11:58LANGUAGE AND THE.

1:11:59LAWS MEANT TO.

1:12:00PROTECT US.

1:12:01DATA CENTERS POWER THE COMPUTE

1:12:03OF REAL TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCES

1:12:05THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO

1:12:07SOLVE CLIMATE AND ENVIRONMENTAL

1:12:08CHALLENGES SUCH AS IDENTIFYING

1:12:10AND REMOVING FOREVER CHEMICALS

1:12:12IN OUR DRINKING WATER AND

1:12:14DEVELOPING SCALABLE,

1:12:16SUSTAINABLE BATTERY STORAGE

1:12:17SOLUTIONS.

1:12:18JUST AS A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES

1:12:20AND THEY CAN DO SO WITHOUT

1:12:22MINIMAL WITH MINIMAL IMPACT

1:12:24EXCUSE ME TO THE COMMUNITIES

1:12:25AND ENVIRONMENTS THAT HOST

1:12:27THEM.

1:12:28IF THESE BREAKTHROUGHS ARE

1:12:29POSSIBLE, SURELY THESE

1:12:31DEVELOPERS CAN ALSO FIND A WAY.

1:12:32FORWARD THAT DOES NOT POLLUTE.

1:12:34OUR COMMUNITIES.

1:12:35AND TO FIND A WAY THAT DOES NOT

1:12:37REQUIRE THE EXPANSION

1:12:38OF FRACKED GAS PIPELINES TO

1:12:40POWER.

1:12:40THAT MASSIVE COMPUTE.

1:12:42JUST AS TECHNOLOGY HAS OUTPACED

1:12:44OUR MUNICIPAL PROTECTIONS, IT

1:12:46CAN JUST AS QUICKLY DEVELOP THE

1:12:49TECHNOLOGY THAT WOULD MAKE THEM

1:12:50PART OF THE SOLUTION AND WE

1:12:51MUST DEMAND BETTER.

1:12:54WE CAUTION THAT A BAN MAY HAVE

1:12:56AN ADVERSE IMPACT AND RATHER

1:12:57THAN INCENTIVIZE THE

1:12:59DEVELOPMENT OF SOLUTIONS.

1:13:01SHIFT DEVELOPMENT TO

1:13:02COMMUNITIES WITH LESS CAPACITY

1:13:04TO.

1:13:04FIGHT EXTRACTIVE AND POLLUTING

1:13:07DEVELOPMENT.

1:13:08SO WE RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING

1:13:10FOR ANY NEW DATA CENTER

1:13:11PROJECTS 24 OVER SEVEN

1:13:14CARBON FREE.

1:13:14ENERGY NO DIESEL OR GAS

1:13:17GENERATORS.

1:13:17CLEAN ENERGY INVESTMENT AND

1:13:19CAPACITY PROCUREMENT FREE OR

1:13:22OPEN AIR COOLING.

1:13:24NON-POTABLE WATER SOURCES.

1:13:26TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY

1:13:28MEASURES INCLUDING WATER AND

1:13:29ENERGY USAGE AVAILABLE PUBLICLY

1:13:32AND REPORTED REGULARLY.

1:13:34DATA CENTER DEVELOPERS MUST PAY

1:13:36THEIR OWN WAY.

1:13:37STRICTLY DEFINING SCRIPT

1:13:39STRICTLY DEFINED ZONING THAT

1:13:40PROTECTS PEOPLE AND THE

1:13:42ENVIRONMENT.

1:13:42COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND PROJECT

1:13:45LABOR AGREEMENTS ARE

1:13:46NON-NEGOTIABLE.

1:13:47BOSTON IS A LEADER AND THIS IS

1:13:49AN OPPORTUNITY AND THIS HEARING

1:13:51CAN BE THE BEGINNING OF A

1:13:53CONVERSATION THAT CAN LEAD TO A

1:13:55MODEL THAT SCALES ACROSS THE.

1:13:56COMMONWEALTH AND.

1:13:57>> PROTECTS OUR COMMUNITIES.

1:13:58THANK YOU.

1:13:59THANK YOU TRISH.

1:14:02SORRY.

1:14:03GOOD AFTERNOON.

1:14:04GOOD TO SEE YOU.

1:14:04YOU TOO.

1:14:05GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR AND

1:14:09COUNCILOR CULPEPER AND MEMBERS

1:14:10OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

1:14:12MY NAME IS TISH MCMULLEN.

1:14:13I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR

1:14:16OF THE CONFERENCE OF BOSTON

1:14:18TEACHING HOSPITALS.

1:14:20ON BEHALF OF OUR 12 MEMBER

1:14:22HOSPITALS, WE APPRECIATE THE

1:14:23OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON

1:14:25DOCKET 718 1718.

1:14:29WE RECOGNIZE AND APPRECIATE,

1:14:31UH, THE CITY OF BOSTON AND THE

1:14:33COMMONWEALTH'S INTEREST IN

1:14:35LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL DATA

1:14:38CENTERED DEVELOPMENT IN LIGHT

1:14:39OF THE POTENTIAL FOR

1:14:41SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ALREADY

1:14:43MENTIONED TODAY.

1:14:45WHILE WE TRULY APPRECIATE THE

1:14:47CLEAR EXEMPTION FOR RESEARCH

1:14:50LABORATORIES AND EDUCATIONAL

1:14:52FACILITIES INCLUDED IN DOCKET

1:14:551718, IT IS CRITICAL.

1:14:57TO OUR NONPROFIT HOSPITALS THAT

1:15:00ESSENTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT

1:15:03SUPPORTS OUR HEALTHCARE

1:15:05INSTITUTIONS IS ALSO EXCLUDED

1:15:07FROM THE PROPOSED BAN.

1:15:09THIS IS PARTICULARLY.

1:15:10IMPORTANT FOR OUR ACADEMIC

1:15:12MEDICAL CENTERS AND THE

1:15:14PATIENTS AND FAMILIES WE SERVE

1:15:16EVERY DAY IN ORDER TO PROTECT

1:15:18THE TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE

1:15:21WE RELY ON TO FULFILL OUR

1:15:23MISSIONS.

1:15:25AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF BOSTON

1:15:28IS RECOGNIZED AROUND THE WORLD

1:15:30AS A CENTER OF EXCELLENCE IN

1:15:32PATIENT CARE, IN HEALTH CARE

1:15:33DELIVERY, MEDICAL EDUCATION,

1:15:37BIOMEDICAL INNOVATION AND

1:15:38CLINICAL RESEARCH.

1:15:39THESE ACTIVITIES INCREASINGLY

1:15:43DEPEND ON SECURE, RELIABLE AND

1:15:47RESILIENT COMPUTING AND

1:15:49TELECOMMUNICATIONS

1:15:50INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT A

1:15:52WIDE RANGE OF ACTIVITIES AND

1:15:54FUNCTIONS INCLUDING ELECTRONIC

1:15:57HEALTH RECORDS, DEI DIAGNOSTIC

1:16:00IMAGING LABORATORY AND

1:16:02PATHOLOGY SYSTEMS, CLINICAL

1:16:05DECISION SUPPORT, CYBERSECURITY

1:16:09,HOSPITAL OPERATIONS AND THE

1:16:11SECURE EXCHANGE OF PATIENT

1:16:13INFORMATION.

1:16:15OUR WORLD.

1:16:16RENOWNED RESEARCH COMMUNITY

1:16:17ALSO RELIES ON ADVANCED

1:16:20COMPUTING TO ANALYZE LARGE DATA

1:16:23SETS, SUPPORT BIOMEDICAL AND

1:16:26GENOMIC RESEARCH, DEVELOP NEW

1:16:29TREATMENTS AND CURES AND

1:16:31ACCELERATE SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY

1:16:34FOR OUR PATIENTS AND THEIR

1:16:35FAMILIES.

1:16:36THESE BREAKTHROUGHS AND CURES

1:16:38CANNOT COME SOON ENOUGH, AND IT

1:16:41IS CRITICAL THAT OUR HOSPITALS

1:16:42ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN, EXPAND

1:16:46AND MODERNIZE THE TECHNOLOGY

1:16:49INFRASTRUCTURE WE NEED UM TO

1:16:52FULFILL OUR PATIENT CARE

1:16:54RESEARCH AND MEDICAL EDUCATION

1:16:56MISSION.

1:16:57IN LIGHT OF OUR SHARED INTEREST

1:17:00IN ADVANCING PATIENT CARE AND

1:17:02PURSUING MEDICAL BREAKTHROUGHS,

1:17:04WE RESPECTFULLY RECOMMEND THAT

1:17:06THE PROPOSED PROHIBITION

1:17:09EXPLICITLY EXCLUDE FROM ITS

1:17:11SCOPE THE DATA CENTERS AND

1:17:14INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS

1:17:15OUR HEALTHCARE INSTITUTIONS

1:17:17BOTH TODAY AND INTO THE FUTURE.

1:17:20THIS APPROACH WOULD ALLOW THE

1:17:22CITY TO PURSUE ITS POLICY GOALS

1:17:25REGARDING LARGE SCALE

1:17:26COMMERCIAL DATA CENTER

1:17:28DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT

1:17:30INADVERTENTLY RESTRICTING THE

1:17:32INFRASTRUCTURE UPON WHICH

1:17:34HEALTHCARE DELIVERY, BIOMEDICAL

1:17:36RESEARCH, MEDICAL EDUCATION AND

1:17:39PATIENT ACCESS AND SAFETY

1:17:41INCREASINGLY DEPEND.

1:17:42WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO

1:17:44DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU IN

1:17:46FURTHER DETAIL.

1:17:48UM I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION

1:17:50GIVEN HOW MUCH CONVERSATION

1:17:52THERE HAS BEEN ABOUT THE

1:17:53GOVERNOR'S UH, EXECUTIVE ORDER

1:17:55THAT THAT ORDER, UH, REQUIRES

1:17:58HER ADMINISTRATION TO KEY

1:18:01CABINET AGENCIES, UH, TO

1:18:04PUBLISH MUNICIPAL GUIDANCE UH,

1:18:06BY THE END OF THE YEAR AFTER

1:18:09CONSULTING WITH A VERY WIDE

1:18:11RANGE OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE

1:18:13LISTED, UH, IN THE EXECUTIVE

1:18:15ORDER.

1:18:16UM, AND I THINK IT'S

1:18:18INSTRUCTIVE, UM, FOR ALL OF US

1:18:20HERE TODAY.

1:18:21THANK YOU.

1:18:22THANK YOU SO MUCH.

1:18:23UM, TISH.

1:18:24UM, SO, UM, I'M GOING TO MOVE

1:18:27TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR QUESTIONS.

1:18:28UM, STARTING WITH THE LEAD

1:18:30SPONSOR COUNCILOR CULPEPER.

1:18:32YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

1:18:34THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

1:18:35DOCTOR COSTIN, YOU'VE MENTIONED

1:18:37THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE A

1:18:39THOUGHTFUL FRAMEWORK THAT

1:18:41PROTECTS OUR COMMUNITIES.

1:18:43HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT

1:18:44THAT FRAMEWORK WOULD LOOK LIKE?

1:18:47YES.

1:18:47>> SO I'LL, UH, SPEAK TOWARDS

1:18:49POWER BUT THEN GENERALIZE FROM

1:18:51THERE.

1:18:52UH, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND

1:18:54STARTING WITH A FEW.

1:18:56UM FEW FEW UM THREADS.

1:18:59ONE IS DOING GRID IMPACT

1:19:01ASSESSMENTS UNDERSTANDING POWER

1:19:03AVAILABILITY.

1:19:04THE SECOND IS LOOKING INTO

1:19:06ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND POWER

1:19:08FLEXIBILITY STANDARDS TO ENSURE

1:19:11RESPONSIBLE OPERATION LIKE I

1:19:12WAS MENTIONING.

1:19:14UM ENERGY EFFICIENCY IS GREAT

1:19:15BUT POWER FLEXIBILITY BRINGS.

1:19:18UM AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DATA

1:19:19CENTER TO SUPPORT THE GRID

1:19:20BECOME AN ASSET TO THE GRID.

1:19:22AND THE THIRD THING WOULD BE

1:19:24MEASUREMENT AND VERIFICATION

1:19:26REQUIREMENTS, UH, TO UH

1:19:29QUANTIFY THE IMPACT ON POWER

1:19:31AND YOU CAN EXPAND THIS TO

1:19:32OTHER AREAS LIKE WATER

1:19:34POLLUTION OTHER IMPACTS AND TO

1:19:36MAKE SURE DATA CENTERS

1:19:37EVENTUALLY WHEN THERE'S A

1:19:39REGULATORY FRAMEWORK THEY MEET

1:19:40THE REQUIREMENTS.

1:19:41SO THESE ARE THREE STARTING

1:19:43POINTS.

1:19:44UH OF COURSE YOU KNOW THIS

1:19:45WOULD REQUIRE A BROADER

1:19:46DISCUSSION UH WITH VARIOUS

1:19:48STAKEHOLDERS.

1:19:49IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE

1:19:50COOPERATION UH WITH UTILITIES

1:19:52AND OTHER REGULATORY BODIES FOR

1:19:54ELECTRICITY.

1:19:54DO YOU HAVE THOSE THREE UH,

1:19:58RECOMMENDATIONS IN WRITING?

1:19:59YES.

1:19:59>> I CONSENT.

1:20:00YOU PROVIDED YES TO US THROUGH

1:20:02THE CHAIR.

1:20:03YES OF COURSE.

1:20:04THANK YOU.

1:20:05>> TRISTAN HAD A COUPLE

1:20:05OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

1:20:06>> OH, SORRY.

1:20:07I'LL JUST SAY THAT THE FOLKS

1:20:08THAT ARE ON THE PANEL DON'T

1:20:09WORK FOR THE CITY IF THERE'S A

1:20:10THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR THEM

1:20:11TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.

1:20:12NO NO NO I KNOW ABSOLUTELY I

1:20:14WILL ASK BUT I'M JUST SAYING

1:20:15FOR YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR

1:20:16KNOWLEDGE YOU DON'T YOU'RE NOT

1:20:17REQUIRED TO KNOW.

1:20:18HAPPY TO HAVE IT.

1:20:20>> YEAH THANK YOU.

1:20:20YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED BUT WE'D

1:20:22LOVE YOU TO HELP US PUT THE

1:20:24FRAMEWORK AND THE POLICY

1:20:26TOGETHER AS WE WORK WITH GEOFF

1:20:28AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

1:20:29I MEAN, ANY HELP AND

1:20:31INFORMATION WE CAN GET IS

1:20:33HELPFUL BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY

1:20:35STARTING WITH LITTLE OR NO

1:20:37INFORMATION.

1:20:37AND SO THIS HEARING IS REALLY

1:20:41INTENDED TO GIVE US AS MUCH

1:20:43INFORMATION AND ASSISTANCE IN

1:20:45COULDN'T GET A POLICY THAT

1:20:47MAKES SENSE AND UH, WE'D LOVE

1:20:50TO HAVE THE RIGHT ABSOLUTELY TO

1:20:51HAVE IN WRITING.

1:20:52SO I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE

1:20:54BIT ABOUT UM.

1:20:57ONE OF.

1:20:58ONE OF THE PANELISTS MARY

1:21:00WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.

1:21:01OH, SURE.

1:21:02MARY.

1:21:03UH, I LIKE YOUR QUESTION ABOUT

1:21:06,UH, REGULATIONS, BUT I'D LIKE

1:21:08TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT LAW.

1:21:09I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT WE IN LAW

1:21:12KNOW THAT, UH, IN.

1:21:152024 MASSACHUSETTS HAD

1:21:17REGULATIONS IN THE BOOKS THAT

1:21:19WOULD HAVE PROTECTED US FROM

1:21:22FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE

1:21:24MONTHLY DATA CENTER.

1:21:26AND MY POINT IS HAVING

1:21:29REGULATIONS IS NOT EVEN ENOUGH.

1:21:31THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE.

1:21:34SO AND SO MARY, YOU TELL.

1:21:35>> ME YOU WANT TO WORK WITH US

1:21:37ON HELPING US PUT THIS TOGETHER

1:21:38BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE.

1:21:40WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU.

1:21:42I WOULD, UH, BUT I REALLY WANT

1:21:45TO EMPHASIZE THE NEED.

1:21:46FOR MUNICIPAL.

1:21:47FOR A CITY TO BE THE LEADER IN

1:21:50DATA CENTER REGULATION AND NOT

1:21:53RELY ON THE STATE.

1:21:54THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW.

1:21:55OUR RESIDENTS HAVE HAD TO SUE

1:21:58THE STATE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT

1:22:01ENGAGED IN, UH.

1:22:02UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WAS

1:22:04NOT DONE UH, PROPERLY.

1:22:07SO I I'M JUST SAYING THE

1:22:09REGULATIONS CAN COME BUT UH,

1:22:12HOW ARE THEY ENFORCED?

1:22:13SECONDLY, I WANT TO SAY

1:22:15SOMETHING ABOUT THE WHAT UH, MY

1:22:17OTHER PANELISTS HAVE SAID ABOUT

1:22:19GRID IMPACTS.

1:22:20IT'S IMPORTANT TO SITUATE THIS

1:22:23.

1:22:23CONVERSATION IN THE REALITIES.

1:22:27OF MASSACHUSETTS, MASSACHUSETTS

1:22:29.

1:22:29AND I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I DO A

1:22:31LOT OF ENERGY WORK.

1:22:33IT MY OTHER LIFE HAS NOT

1:22:35FIGURED OUT HOW.

1:22:37>> TO PAY FOR ITS OWN.

1:22:39ELECTRIC SECTOR MODERNIZATION

1:22:42PLANS AND THOSE.

1:22:44>> DO NOT INCLUDE.

1:22:44DATA CENTERS.

1:22:46SO WHILE I WELCOME.

1:22:47>> THE IDEA THAT GRID IN PARTS

1:22:49AND DATA CENTERS CAN DO THIS

1:22:51AND THAT, I DON'T THINK ANYONE

1:22:53SHOULD LEAVE.

1:22:54>> THESE THINGS TO CHANCE.

1:22:56THANK YOU, MAYOR AND UH, WE'LL

1:22:59BE IN TOUCH.

1:22:59WE'D LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU ON

1:23:01THIS.

1:23:01LET ME IN.

1:23:03MY 30S AND A HALF LEFT REALLY?

1:23:06AND TALK ABOUT HOW BOSTON A

1:23:09HOUSE OF BOSTON DEFINED A DATA

1:23:11CENTER TO ENSURE WE'RE

1:23:13TARGETING THE FACILITIES WITH

1:23:14SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL

1:23:16IMPACTS WITHOUT UNINTENTIONALLY

1:23:20RESTRICTING SMALLER SERVERS OR

1:23:21COMPUTER INFRASTRUCTURE.

1:23:23UH, THERE'S MANY, MANY

1:23:25DIFFERENT APPROACHES WE CAN

1:23:26TAKE.

1:23:26BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE

1:23:27TRYING TO PROTECT AGAINST IS

1:23:28ENVIRONMENTAL AND PUBLIC HEALTH

1:23:30IMPACTS AND SO EXPLICITLY

1:23:31NAMING THAT AND THE THRESHOLD

1:23:33BOTH THROUGH MEGAWATTS GALLONS

1:23:36OF WATER, DECIBELS OF NOISE BUT

1:23:38ALSO THE SORT OF QUALITATIVE

1:23:41AFFIRMATION BY THE

1:23:41ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT THAT

1:23:42THEY'VE DONE A CUMULATIVE

1:23:44IMPACT ANALYSIS NOT JUST

1:23:45LOOKING AT THE DATA CENTER

1:23:47INDIVIDUALLY BUT ALSO WHERE

1:23:48IT'S SITED IN ALL THE OTHER

1:23:49FACILITIES AND UH, POLLUTION

1:23:51AND IMPACTS IN THE AREA.

1:23:52WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN LOWELL IS

1:23:53THAT THE DATA CENTER STARTED

1:23:54OFF RELATIVELY SMALL.

1:23:56YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OVER TEN

1:23:58MEGAWATTS HAS INCREMENTALLY

1:23:59GROWN OVER THE YEARS AND IS NOW

1:24:01APPROACHING 50MW ENOUGH TO

1:24:03POWER POWER 30,000 HOMES.

1:24:05SO WHILE WE MAY NOT HAVE A

1:24:07HYPERSCALER PROPOSED IN BOSTON,

1:24:09SOME OF THE SAME COMPANIES HAVE

1:24:11DATA CENTERS IN BOSTON.

1:24:12WE HAVE A SALES AND USE TAX

1:24:14EXEMPTION AND THERE'S A BIG GAP

1:24:16IN REGULATION AS THE STATE

1:24:17WORKS TO FIGURE THINGS OUT.

1:24:19SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR.

1:24:20QUESTION REAL QUICK.

1:24:21>> AS WE LOOK.

1:24:22>> AT NATIONAL TREND AND

1:24:23CONSIDER REQUIRING AN

1:24:25ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE IMPACT

1:24:27ASSESSMENT OR CERTIFICATION

1:24:29PROCESS BEFORE ALLOWING ANY

1:24:31DATA CENTER DEVELOPMENT.

1:24:33ABSOLUTELY.

1:24:34>> UM THE CURRENT PROCESSES

1:24:35AROUND ZONING WON'T ALLOW FOR

1:24:37AN ADEQUATE CUMULATIVE IMPACT

1:24:39REVIEW AROUND THESE FACILITIES.

1:24:40THEY NEED THEIR OWN SPECIAL

1:24:42PROCESS AND SPECIAL PERMIT

1:24:44APPROVALS.

1:24:44AND TRIPS.

1:24:45AND YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK.

1:24:46WITH US ON THIS?

1:24:47ABSOLUTELY.

1:24:47>> AND WE'VE HELPED PUT

1:24:48TOGETHER NATIONAL POLICY

1:24:50TOOLKITS AND CAN SHARE THAT

1:24:51WITH THE FULL COUNCIL.

1:24:52GREAT.

1:24:53>> THANK YOU TO THE CHAIR.

1:24:54TO THE CHAIR.

1:24:56THANK YOU.

1:24:57UM AND I YEAH I THINK IT'S UM

1:25:00THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION IS SO

1:25:01IMPORTANT BECAUSE UM WE'RE

1:25:03WE'RE GETTING TO A LOT OF THE

1:25:05MEAT OF IT VERY QUICKLY OF LIKE

1:25:07WHERE SORT OF THE DIFFERENT

1:25:10ISSUES MAY BE AND ALSO YOU KNOW

1:25:13WHO'S INVOLVED.

1:25:13I DID WANT TO JUST SAY THAT UM

1:25:15,I THINK IN MY I SAID THIS IN

1:25:18MY OPENING STATEMENT BUT THERE

1:25:19ARE I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE

1:25:21APPROACHES THAT WE SHOULD

1:25:23CONSIDER I THINK INCLUDING OUR

1:25:25THRESHOLD BASED LOCAL

1:25:26PERMITTING OPTION WHICH I

1:25:28BELIEVE WOULD GIVE US ALL THE

1:25:30FLEXIBILITY TO YOU KNOW, AND

1:25:33HONESTLY IT COULD BE A

1:25:34REGULATION THAT'S NOT YOU KNOW,

1:25:37THAT WE REVIEW ANNUALLY SO IT'S

1:25:38NOT NECESSARILY CODIFIED IN

1:25:40TERMS OF I DON'T KNOW

1:25:43PERSONALLY I MEAN THE MORE WE

1:25:44TALK ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION I

1:25:45DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST ZONING

1:25:46THAT THAT IS A PART OF THIS.

1:25:48I FEEL LIKE THE UM GIVEN THAT

1:25:50THIS IS ALREADY A CONDITIONAL

1:25:51USE MOST PLACES I FEEL LIKE THE

1:25:54ARTICLE 80 REVIEW COULD INCLUDE

1:25:57A LOT OF THESE THINGS.

1:25:58UM, AND A LOT OF THESE UM,

1:26:00BECAUSE I MEAN I KNOW FOR THE

1:26:02AMOUNT FOR THE PROJECTS IN MY

1:26:03DISTRICT WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING

1:26:04ABOUT SPECIAL SHADOW REVIEWS

1:26:06AND WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT

1:26:08THIS SEEMS LIKE EVEN MORE

1:26:09IMPACTFUL ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

1:26:11UM, IN A VERY, YOU KNOW,

1:26:13MEASURED AND UM, POINTED WAY.

1:26:17AND SO I THINK ANY ARTICLE 80

1:26:19REVIEW SHOULD INCLUDE ANY

1:26:20OF THESE UM, YOU KNOW AND AND

1:26:23AND IT SOUNDS LIKE ANY LARGE

1:26:26SCALE DATA CENTER WOULD BE

1:26:27SUBJECT TO ARTICLE 80 REVIEW

1:26:28WHICH MIGHT BE THE TEETH THAT

1:26:30IS NEEDED.

1:26:32UM, THAT BEING SAID, A LOT

1:26:33OF THE COMPUTATIONAL CENTERS

1:26:35THAT ALREADY EXIST IN THE CITY

1:26:36AND HOSPITALS HAVE GONE THROUGH

1:26:38THAT ARTICLE EIGHT REVIEW AS

1:26:40PART OF THE PERMITTING OF A

1:26:41HOSPITAL OR UH, YOU KNOW,

1:26:44ACADEMIC UM, INSTITUTION.

1:26:45SO I'LL UM I'LL GO TO THE

1:26:48SECOND CO-SPONSOR, UM, BRIAN

1:26:50WORRELL AND THEN WE'LL GO TO

1:26:52COUNCILOR FLYNN.

1:26:53UH THANK YOU CHAIR.

1:26:55UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.

1:26:57>> I HAVE IS AROUND THE

1:26:58ECONOMIC IMPACT AND UH, WE KNOW

1:27:01YOU KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, THEY DO

1:27:04CREATE YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION

1:27:05JOBS.

1:27:06BUT CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT,

1:27:09UM, ANY RESEARCH OF WHAT YOU'VE

1:27:10SEEN AROUND THE PERMANENT JOBS

1:27:13THAT ARE CREATED AND THEN ALSO

1:27:14HOW THEY SUPPORT, UH, ANY AND

1:27:17ANY OTHER INDUSTRY AND JOBS

1:27:19THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THESE

1:27:20OPERATIONS.

1:27:23YOU SEE, BOSTON HAS.

1:27:26>> A GOOD EXAMPLE IN LAW.

1:27:28YOU DON'T NEED TO GO FAR.

1:27:30YOU JUST GO 35 MINUTES.

1:27:32AWAY FROM HERE AND YOU WILL

1:27:34SEE.

1:27:34THE AMOUNT OF JOBS THAT THESE

1:27:37COMPANIES CREATE.

1:27:38MARK LEE HAS BEEN IN LAW FOR

1:27:40TEN YEARS.

1:27:41IT'S TRUE THERE HAVE BEEN.

1:27:44CONSTRUCTION JOBS BUT FOR.

1:27:46TEN YEARS WE HAVE.

1:27:48BELOW 40 JOBS.

1:27:50AND WE SHOULDN'T.

1:27:52JUST BE TALKING ABOUT JOBS.

1:27:53I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU ABOUT.

1:27:55TWO WEEKS.

1:27:56AGO THE.

1:27:57FIRE STATION THAT SERVES, UH.

1:28:01THE LOCATION.

1:28:02WHERE THIS DATA CENTER.

1:28:05IS WAS BROWNED OUT.

1:28:07BECAUSE THE CITY COULD NOT.

1:28:08AFFORD EXTRA.

1:28:10UH, OVERTIME.

1:28:12MY POINT MY POINT IS THAT WE

1:28:14CANNOT JUST SAY IT'S.

1:28:15JOBS.

1:28:16>> JOBS, JOBS A.

1:28:18MUNICIPALITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO

1:28:19COME OUT OF THIS.

1:28:21KIND OF AN ARRANGEMENT.

1:28:24PROTECTING ITS.

1:28:25>> RESIDENTS FROM FIRES.

1:28:28SURVEILLANCE AND SO MANY OTHER.

1:28:30TERRIBLE THINGS.

1:28:32AND I'LL AGAIN POINT YOU TO

1:28:33GOOD JOBS FIRST THERE UH,

1:28:36NATIONAL THINK TANK THAT HAS

1:28:37DONE RESEARCH INTO DATA CENTER

1:28:39TAX SUBSIDIES AND JOB CREATION

1:28:41.

1:28:41I THINK UH, OFF THE TOP OF MY

1:28:43HEAD FOR THE LARGE HYPERSCALE

1:28:44DATA CENTERS MUCH LARGER THAN

1:28:46THE ONE IN LOWELL, THEY CREATE

1:28:47AN AVERAGE OF 100 JOBS.

1:28:48HOWEVER, THERE'S NO CERTAINTY

1:28:50THAT THOSE JOBS ARE LOCAL.

1:28:51MANY OF THEM ARE REMOTE.

1:28:53THEY OFTEN REQUIRE DIFFERENT

1:28:54KINDS OF TECHNICAL AND SPECIAL

1:28:56CERTIFICATIONS AND SKILLS.

1:28:57AND SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT IF A

1:28:59DATA CENTER WERE TO COME TO

1:29:00BOSTON, WOULD PEOPLE IN BOSTON

1:29:02ACTUALLY BENEFIT FROM WORKING

1:29:03THERE AND HOW MUCH THE MATH

1:29:04DOESN'T MATH WE LOSE MORE UM,

1:29:06IN TAX INCENTIVES THAN WE GET.

1:29:08BACK, RIGHT?

1:29:09THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

1:29:10AS 1 TO 1 OF MY QUESTIONS, UM,

1:29:12WAS AROUND UH, HOW MUCH OF UM

1:29:18HOW MUCH DO WE WEIGH THAT TAX

1:29:20INCENTIVE VERSUS UM, YOU KNOW,

1:29:24THE REGULATORY OF OTHER DATA

1:29:26CENTERS.

1:29:27BUT BEFORE IT BEFORE.

1:29:28I GO INTO THAT QUESTION.

1:29:29ARE MOST OF THESE DATA.

1:29:30CENTERS OWNED BY.

1:29:31FOR PROFIT OR NONPROFIT.

1:29:33COMPANIES?

1:29:35>> SO UM, I TO YOUR EARLIER

1:29:38QUESTION AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE

1:29:40APPLICABILITY OF THESE DATA

1:29:41CENTERS RIGHT NOW THERE ARE

1:29:42EIGHT DATA CENTERS OR EIGHT

1:29:44BUILDINGS THAT HAVE THE

1:29:45DESIGNATION OF DATA CENTER, UM,

1:29:47WITHIN THE 2026 REPORTING THAT

1:29:50IS AN UNDERCOUNT.

1:29:51THERE'S AT LEAST ONE DATA

1:29:52CENTER THAT HASN'T REPORTED TO

1:29:54BOURDEAUX.

1:29:55UM, ALL OF THE ONES THAT HAVE

1:29:56REPORTED ARE CURRENTLY OWNED BY

1:29:58FOR PROFIT COMPANIES TO MY

1:30:00UNDERSTANDING FROM THAT LIST.

1:30:01AND BASED OFF THE SQUARE

1:30:02FOOTAGE LIKE HOW MUCH?

1:30:04DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF LIKE

1:30:06HOW MUCH EMISSIONS OR HOW MUCH

1:30:08ELECTRICITY OR RESOURCES THEY

1:30:10USE BASED OFF THE SQUARE

1:30:11FOOTAGE COMPARED TO TO.

1:30:12OTHER SIMILAR SIZE?

1:30:15THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

1:30:16AS AN AGGREGATE NO.

1:30:18AND THAT'S LARGELY BECAUSE ONE

1:30:20OF THE LARGER ONES WHICH IS THE

1:30:22UH MARKLEY DATA CENTER IN

1:30:24WASHINGTON AND SUMMER STREET UM

1:30:25,THEY HAVE NOT REPORTED THEIR

1:30:27ENERGY AND WATER USE AND UM

1:30:28IMPORTANT TO NOTE AS WELL TO

1:30:30THE OTHER QUESTION, THE THE USE

1:30:32OF BACKUP GENERATORS IS NOT,

1:30:34UH, YOU KNOW, COUNTED AS A PART

1:30:36OF THE OVERALL ENERGY AND

1:30:38EMISSIONS SCORE THAT WE HAVE

1:30:39UNDER BOURDEAUX SO WE DON'T

1:30:42HAVE I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST

1:30:44EVEN WITHIN THE DEFINITION

1:30:46OF ENERGY AND EMISSIONS UNDER

1:30:47BOURDEAUX TO MY VIEW THE FULL

1:30:49COMPLETE PICTURE BECAUSE OF THE

1:30:50UNDERREPORTING.

1:30:50GOT IT.

1:30:52ALL RIGHT AND THEN.

1:30:58SO I WAS LOOKING AT MY QUESTION

1:31:03UM HOW HOW DO WE DETERMINE

1:31:05WHETHER THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS

1:31:07OUTWEIGH THE ADDITIONAL

1:31:10ELECTRICITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE

1:31:11COSTS?

1:31:12I'LL JUMP BACK IN.

1:31:14SO IS IN 2025 WE HOSTED A

1:31:17NATIONAL CONVENING ON DATA

1:31:18CENTERS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE

1:31:20NAACP AND TWO LOCAL MEMPHIS

1:31:22ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE

1:31:23ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE

1:31:24ORGANIZING AGAINST Z.

1:31:26AND WE CAME UP WITH FRONT LINE

1:31:28FRAMEWORK COMMUNITY GUIDING

1:31:30PRINCIPLES FOR EQUITABLE DATA

1:31:31CENTER DEVELOPMENT.

1:31:31ONE OF MY FAVORITE ONES IS JOBS

1:31:34CANNOT JUSTIFY HARM, SO WE HAVE

1:31:36TO PUT A BOTTOM LINE ON THE

1:31:37HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF OUR

1:31:38PEOPLE.

1:31:39UM WE CANNOT EXCHANGE ASTHMA

1:31:41FOR THE PROMISE OF TAX DOLLARS

1:31:42AND SO THAT'S MY BOTTOM LINE.

1:31:44ALL RIGHT.

1:31:45>> WELL THANK YOU AND LOOK

1:31:46FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE

1:31:48PANEL ON, UM, THIS ORDINANCE.

1:31:49THANK YOU.

1:31:51THANK YOU SO MUCH.

1:31:53UM, COUNCILOR EARLE,

1:31:54COUNCILOR FLYNN, YOU HAVE FIVE

1:31:55MINUTES.

1:31:56THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

1:31:57>> I I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION

1:32:01TO IS IT MARY FROM LEVEL?

1:32:02HI, MARY.

1:32:03IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.

1:32:04UM, MARY THE THE PROPOSAL

1:32:07OUTLINED BUT THIS BY THE CITY

1:32:09COUNCIL IN THIS UM THIS

1:32:12ORDINANCE UH TEXT UM CHANGE TO

1:32:14THE ZONING CODE.

1:32:16UH, THERE IS THERE ANY OTHER

1:32:19CITY THAT HAS DONE SOMETHING

1:32:21SIMILAR TO THAT BESIDES UM

1:32:24BESIDES SOME OF THE THE CITIES

1:32:26.

1:32:26THAT WERE MENTIONED?

1:32:29UM OR I DO YOU HAVE ANY

1:32:31BACKGROUND INFORMATION?

1:32:32WOULD BOSTON BE THE.

1:32:35NEW THE BIGGEST CITY OR THE

1:32:37MAJOR CITY FIRST MAJOR CITY TO

1:32:39ENACT THIS TYPE OF CHANGE IN

1:32:40THE COUNTRY OR OTHER CITIES ARE

1:32:42DOING THIS AS WELL?

1:32:45ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE LOCAL

1:32:47MORATORIUM HERE?

1:32:50UM, I'M ASKING IF IF BOSTON

1:32:51WERE TO IMPLEMENT THIS CHANGE

1:32:54AS OUTLINED.

1:32:55UM, WOULD IT BE THE FIRST CITY

1:32:58IN THE COUNTRY TO DO THAT OR OR

1:33:00HAVE OTHER CITIES?

1:33:02UM.

1:33:05UM YEAH.

1:33:06SO UM, IN REGARDS TO

1:33:08MORATORIUMS, THOSE ARE AN

1:33:10EPIDEMIC.

1:33:11THEY'RE HAPPENING EVERYWHERE

1:33:12BECAUSE THEY'RE NEEDED

1:33:12INCLUDING HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS

1:33:13IN TERMS OF PUTTING A PAUSE ONE

1:33:15YEAR WITH NO DATA CENTER

1:33:16DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS

1:33:17OF OUTRIGHT BANS.

1:33:18TO MY KNOWLEDGE NO SUPER MAJOR

1:33:20CITIES.

1:33:20BUT THERE DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN

1:33:21MUNICIPAL BANS ACROSS THE

1:33:23COUNTRY.

1:33:23OKAY.

1:33:24>> YEAH THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M

1:33:25ASKING IS THE OUTRIGHT BANS I

1:33:26THINK THIS ONE HERE THIS

1:33:29PROPOSAL WOULD PROHIBIT DATA

1:33:31CENTERS IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS

1:33:33.

1:33:33I THINK THAT'S THE.

1:33:34THE WORDING.

1:33:35BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS

1:33:37WOULD BOSTON BE THE FIRST CITY

1:33:38TO DO THAT IN THE COUNTRY?

1:33:40SO IF I CAN ALSO JUMP IN

1:33:41COUNCILOR UM ONE OTHER EXAMPLE

1:33:44IS RELEVANT HERE IS IN PHOENIX

1:33:45ARIZONA.

1:33:46THEY PASSED A LAW THAT REQUIRES

1:33:48A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM THEIR

1:33:49CITY COUNCIL FOR THE

1:33:51CONSTRUCTION OF DATA CENTERS

1:33:52OUTSIDE OF AN INDUSTRIAL AREA

1:33:53WHICH IS SIMILAR BUT NOT THE

1:33:55SAME AS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED

1:33:56HERE.

1:33:56OKAY.

1:33:57I DID WANT TO ASK A QUESTION TO

1:33:59MR DALY.

1:34:00I KNOW HE'S NOT ON THE PANEL,

1:34:01BUT MY MY QUESTION TO MR.

1:34:04MADAM CHAIR, MAY I ASK A

1:34:06QUESTION TO MR DALY?

1:34:06YES YOU CAN.

1:34:07OKAY.

1:34:08>> MY QUESTION IS MIKE IS ON

1:34:10OVER THERE.

1:34:10YEAH.

1:34:11>> MY QUESTION.

1:34:11COULD I.

1:34:12>> ADD IN ONE MORE THING TO

1:34:13THAT LAST.

1:34:13QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON?

1:34:16OKAY.

1:34:17>> UM I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND

1:34:18LOOKING AT THE THE CITY

1:34:19OF EVERETT RECENTLY UM, PASSED

1:34:22UPDATED ZONING FOR UH.

1:34:24DATA CENTERS.

1:34:25WHICH INCLUDES THRESHOLDS JUST

1:34:26FOR ANOTHER EXAMPLE.

1:34:28UM I JUST WANT TO JUST SAY JUST

1:34:30LOUD AND PAUSING THE THING

1:34:31BEFORE I UM THEIR REGULATORY

1:34:33FRAMEWORK IN OTHER CITIES CAN

1:34:34BE VERY DIFFERENT FROM OURS.

1:34:36WE ARE PETITIONING THAT, YOU

1:34:37KNOW, THIS IS A PETITION TO THE

1:34:39ZONING COMMISSION WHICH IS

1:34:40GOING THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE.

1:34:41UM, BOSTON ANY REGULAR MEMBER

1:34:44OF THE PUBLIC CAN PETITION THE

1:34:45ZONING COMMISSION IN ANY WAY.

1:34:48WE ARE ACTUALLY NOT SPECIAL AS

1:34:49THE CITY COUNCIL.

1:34:50THIS PETITION IS THE SAME AS A

1:34:52REGULAR PERSON SUBMITTING A

1:34:53PETITION.

1:34:53THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE CAN

1:34:55WAIVE A PUBLIC MEETING.

1:34:57UM THERE ARE UM CERTAIN PLACES

1:34:59WHERE EVERY DEVELOPMENT GOES

1:35:01THROUGH THEIR TOWN SELECT BOARD

1:35:02AND THEY HAVE HUNDREDS

1:35:03OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THAT

1:35:04SELECT BOARD.

1:35:05SO EVERY CITY AND MUNICIPALITY

1:35:07IS DIFFERENT AND THE POWERS

1:35:08THAT THEY HAVE ARE VERY

1:35:09DIFFERENT.

1:35:10UM I'LL JUST SAY THAT THERE ARE

1:35:11A NUMBER OF TOWNS UM, IN

1:35:13MASSACHUSETTS THAT HAVE DONE

1:35:15EITHER TEMPORARY MORATORIUMS OR

1:35:18MORATORIUMS ON DATA CENTERS.

1:35:19UM, WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT

1:35:22IS HYPERSCALE.

1:35:22I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE ALL HAD

1:35:24THE SAME DEFINITION AND PART

1:35:26OF WHY I WAS SO INTERESTED IN

1:35:27HAVING A HEARING ON THIS ZONING

1:35:29AMENDMENT IS IT GIVES US THE

1:35:30OPPORTUNITY TO TALK THROUGH

1:35:32WHAT THOSE DEFINITIONS MIGHT BE

1:35:34IF WE WERE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW,

1:35:36AS WE'RE HAVING THIS

1:35:37CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT'S UM

1:35:39NOT EVERY MUNICIPALITY HAS DONE

1:35:41SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.

1:35:42A LOT OF MAYORS HAVE MADE HUGE

1:35:44ANNOUNCEMENTS, YOU KNOW, IN

1:35:45DIFFERENT.

1:35:46SO ANYWAYS, I'LL START THE TIME

1:35:47BACK AND LET YOU HAVE YOUR TIME

1:35:49BACK, COUNCILOR FLYNN.

1:35:50BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO

1:35:51SAY THAT EVERY MUNICIPALITY IS

1:35:52DIFFERENT.

1:35:53WE AND UH THE I KNOW THE STATE

1:35:55OF NEW YORK HAS DONE THE MORE

1:35:57MORATORIUM.

1:35:58THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF UM

1:36:00AND SO UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL

1:36:02SET UP DIFFERENTLY AND SO I

1:36:03THINK AS A CITY WE'RE NOW

1:36:05HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT

1:36:07DEFINITIONS AND SO IT'S NOT A

1:36:09SURPRISE THAT THIS CONVERSATION

1:36:11IS SO DETAILED BECAUSE IT IS

1:36:13SUCH A NUANCED CONVERSATION TO

1:36:15BE HAVING.

1:36:15SORRY, COUNCILOR FLYNN, YOU

1:36:16HAVE BEFORE.

1:36:18YOU HAD THE QUESTION I HAD TO

1:36:20MR DELEON, BESIDES THE BUILDING

1:36:22OF A DATA CENTER, ISN'T IT TRUE

1:36:24THAT.

1:36:27UNION ELECTRICIANS DO PLAY A

1:36:29CRITICAL ROLE INSIDE THE DATA

1:36:31CENTERS THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN

1:36:33THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM AS

1:36:35WELL.

1:36:36CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT

1:36:39JOB ENTAILS AND IS THAT A

1:36:43CRITICAL PART OF UM.

1:36:47A CRITICAL PART OF A DATA

1:36:48CENTER IS MAKING SURE THAT THE

1:36:50ONGOING MAINTENANCE IS IS

1:36:51PROPERLY ADDRESSED.

1:36:53UH, THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FOR

1:36:54THE FOR THE QUESTION.

1:36:56ABSOLUTELY.

1:36:56WE HAVE HUNDREDS

1:36:57OF ELECTRICIANS WORKING IN UH I

1:36:59DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OTHER CITY

1:37:00COUNCILS WALK THROUGH THE UH,

1:37:02MACY'S BUILDING, BUT UH, MY

1:37:03BOSS REPORTED THAT IT WAS A

1:37:05VERY SUCCESSFUL WALK AND YOU

1:37:06GOT TO MEET SOME OF THE

1:37:07ELECTRICIANS THAT ARE UM,

1:37:09MAINTAINING THAT, UH, VERY

1:37:10CRITICAL DATA.

1:37:11THIS ISN'T SO MUCH ABOUT

1:37:14TIKTOKS OF SNAPCHATS.

1:37:15IT'S MAINLY ABOUT UH, UH,

1:37:18DETAILED DATA FOR UH, MASS

1:37:20GENERAL HOSPITAL AND

1:37:22CANCER RESEARCH AND VERY

1:37:23EXTREME IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITIES

1:37:26UH, TO TO PROCEED WITH UM THE

1:37:29WONDERFUL TECHNOLOGIES UM,

1:37:31NEVER MIND SOMEBODY COMPLAINING

1:37:33THAT THEIR EMAIL DIDN'T GO

1:37:34THROUGH AS FAST AS THEY WANTED

1:37:35TO THE INCONVENIENCE FACTOR BUT

1:37:38BUT OUR ELECTRICIANS MAINTAIN

1:37:40THESE SYSTEMS THAT A CRITICAL

1:37:42MODE TO EVERY DAY UM HOSPITALS

1:37:46UNIVERSITIES UH TO KEEP THAT SO

1:37:48IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE UH

1:37:50SKILLED LICENSED ELECTRICIANS

1:37:53UH 24 HOURS MAINTAINING UH

1:37:54THESE DATA CENTERS.

1:37:56UM I KNOW WE WANT TO FOCUS ON

1:37:58BOSTON AND I WILL SAY UH, THE

1:37:59MOXIE GROUP UP IN IN LAWRENCE

1:38:02PLANTED 1500 TREES IN LAWRENCE

1:38:04,WHICH IS INCREDIBLE.

1:38:05THE, UH, THEY ARE GETTING, UH,

1:38:08KICKED IN LEFT AND RIGHT UP

1:38:09THERE BUT THEY HAVE DONE A LOT

1:38:10FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

1:38:11AND ONE OTHER THING AS

1:38:13LISTENING TO THIS PROCESS A THE

1:38:15CONCERN ABOUT UH, DIESEL

1:38:17GENERATORS, THEY DO RUN MAYBE

1:38:19ONCE EVERY SIX WEEKS BUT FOR

1:38:21FIVE MINUTES I THINK THAT THESE

1:38:23DATA CENTERS ARE NOT RUNNING ON

1:38:26ON THESE UM ON THESE DIESEL

1:38:28GENERATORS.

1:38:28HOWEVER, IT IS CRITICAL

1:38:30INFORMATION TO HAVE UM

1:38:31IMMEDIATE RESPONSE TO A POWER

1:38:33OUTAGE SOMEWHERE THAT MORE

1:38:36IMPORTANT THAN FACEBOOK AND

1:38:37TIKTOKS THAT UH THAT OUR

1:38:39UNIVERSITIES AND OUR HOSPITALS

1:38:40AND ALL THAT CRITICAL BANKING

1:38:42INFORMATION UH DOES NOT HAVE A

1:38:44UH A DISRUPTION AT ALL.

1:38:46SO THERE BUILDING THE DATA

1:38:48CENTERS UH THE SMALLER ONES

1:38:50THAT WE HAVE WILL NEVER HAVE A

1:38:51MEGA CENTER HERE IN BOSTON OR

1:38:52AND AND REALLY IN MASSACHUSETTS

1:38:55I WOULD SAY MAYBE IN WESTERN

1:38:56MASS IF IT GOES THROUGH BUT UH,

1:38:58THEY'RE GREAT JOBS TO BUILD

1:39:00THESE DATA CENTERS AND THEY'RE

1:39:02CONTINUED REAL GOOD JOB

1:39:04OPPORTUNITIES FOR FELLOW BOSTON

1:39:05RESIDENTS LIKE ME TO MAINTAIN

1:39:06THESE THROUGHOUT MANY YEARS TO

1:39:08COME.

1:39:08THANK YOU, MR DELANEY.

1:39:10THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

1:39:11MAY I ASK ONE MORE FINAL ONE

1:39:13MORE QUESTION?

1:39:14YES YOU CAN.

1:39:14OKAY.

1:39:15>> UM.

1:39:16>> AND I DO WANT TO ASK UM I DO

1:39:19WANT TO ASK A QUESTION IF I MAY

1:39:22TO UM TO TISH WHO IS THE

1:39:24EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR BOSTON

1:39:27TEACHING HOSPITALS.

1:39:28UH, IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.

1:39:30UM, JUST SO THE THE DATA

1:39:33CENTERS SAY THE DATA CENTER IN

1:39:36DOWNTOWN BOSTON JUST SO WE ARE

1:39:39EDUCATING THE PUBLIC THAT DATA

1:39:41CENTER IS HOLDING INFORMATION

1:39:45DATA FROM HOSPITALS, COLLEGES.

1:39:47IS IT.

1:39:48CRITICAL TO HAVE THAT DATA

1:39:50STORED OFFSITE.

1:39:52FROM FROM A HOSPITAL FOR

1:39:55VARIOUS REASONS.

1:39:56MAYBE IT'S SAFETY.

1:39:57MAYBE IT'S MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE

1:39:59AT THIS PLACE.

1:40:00BUT IS IT CRITICAL TO HAVE THAT

1:40:02TYPE OF DATA CENTER.

1:40:05OFFSITE IN NOT NOT PHYSICALLY

1:40:08AT THE HOSPITAL ITSELF?

1:40:10I, I, I DID HAVE THE

1:40:11OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT THE

1:40:13DOWNTOWN BOSTON SITE AND TALK

1:40:16TO MANY OF THE WORKERS WHO WELL

1:40:18I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE

1:40:20WORKERS THERE THE

1:40:20PROFESSIONALISM.

1:40:21BUT CAN YOU JUST TALK TO

1:40:23ME ABOUT WHY IT'S CRITICAL TO

1:40:24HAVE SOMETHING OFFSITE COMPARED

1:40:27TO ONSITE?

1:40:28I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EXPERTISE

1:40:30TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION

1:40:33OFFSITE.

1:40:33I KNOW IT'S CRITICAL TO THE

1:40:35HOSPITALS UH, WHETHER IT'S

1:40:39SOMETHING THEY COULD REPLICATE

1:40:41ON SITE.

1:40:42I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M HAPPY TO

1:40:44GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO

1:40:45YOU IN THE CHAIR.

1:40:46OF THE PROFESSOR.

1:40:47OKAY.

1:40:48WOULD YOU LIKE.

1:40:48>> TO SO.

1:40:49I CAN I CAN BRIEFLY COMMENT NOT

1:40:51SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE

1:40:52HOSPITALS BUT GENERALLY

1:40:54MAINTAINING YOUR OWN IT YOUR

1:40:56OWN INFRASTRUCTURE UH, BECOMES

1:40:58VERY EXPENSIVE.

1:40:59OKAY.

1:40:59SO THERE'S A LOT

1:41:01OF CONSULTATION.

1:41:01UM, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE

1:41:03REASONS FPC THE MASSACHUSETTS

1:41:05GREEN HIGH PERFORMANCE

1:41:06COMPUTING CENTER WAS BUILT SO

1:41:08THAT UNIVERSITIES MOVED THEIR

1:41:11INDIVIDUAL SERVER ROOMS MOSTLY

1:41:12BY LARGE THERE UH IT BECOMES

1:41:15MUCH CHEAPER, UH.

1:41:16SAFER.

1:41:17>> MORE SECURE, MORE UP TO DATE

1:41:18TO MAINTAIN IT UH OTHERWISE

1:41:21EACH ENTITY WOULD NEED TO

1:41:23ESSENTIALLY RUN THEIR OWN CLOUD

1:41:24SERVICE WHICH WHICH UH REQUIRES

1:41:25A LOT OF RESOURCES.

1:41:27EXCELLENT.

1:41:28>> THANK YOU.

1:41:28THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

1:41:29THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME AN

1:41:31EXTRA COUPLE OF MINUTES I

1:41:32APPRECIATE IT.

1:41:32THANK YOU SO MUCH,

1:41:33COUNCILOR FLYNN.

1:41:34UM, I DID WANT TO JUST FOLLOW

1:41:35UP ON THAT QUESTION.

1:41:36CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT, UM,

1:41:39PROFESSOR, WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT

1:41:41SORT OF BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I YOU

1:41:43KNOW, I'VE BEEN STUDYING THIS

1:41:44FOR THE LAST WEEK, BUT I DON'T

1:41:45KNOW WHETHER YOU ARE A LEADING

1:41:47EXPERT ON, UM, BOTH I AND ON

1:41:51GREEN BUILDING FOR, UM, DATA

1:41:54CENTERS.

1:41:55I'M CURIOUS SORT OF WHAT YOU

1:41:57WOULD PUT AS THE THRESHOLD FOR

1:41:59A HYPER SCALE DATA CENTER

1:42:01VERSUS, UH, YOU KNOW, A SMALLER

1:42:04DATA CENTER AND ALSO WHAT THE.

1:42:06>> WHAT.

1:42:06HOW YOU WOULD DEFINE AN

1:42:07INFERENCE POINT AND HOW YOU CAN

1:42:10DESCRIBE HOW LIKE INFERENCE

1:42:11POINTS AND OTHER UM COMPUTING

1:42:14CENTERS COMMUNICATE WITH A

1:42:16LARGER DATA CENTER JUST FOR US

1:42:18TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS

1:42:19INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE MIGHT

1:42:20NEED IN BOSTON THAT ISN'T

1:42:22NECESSARILY A SORT OF LARGER

1:42:23SCALE DATA CENTER.

1:42:25UH GREAT QUESTION.

1:42:27I THINK IN TERMS OF THE FIRST

1:42:28QUESTION OF WHERE IS THE

1:42:30THRESHOLD THAT SEPARATES A

1:42:31LARGE HYPERSCALER FROM A

1:42:33SMALLER DATA CENTER?

1:42:35UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A

1:42:36GOLDEN NUMBER BUT THERE ARE

1:42:37VARIOUS STUDIES OR UH, STATES

1:42:39HAVE VARIOUS REGULATIONS SOME

1:42:41PLACE THE NUMBER AT 75MW, SOME

1:42:43AT 50 UH SOME AT LOWER NUMBER.

1:42:46UH SO AT THIS DEPENDS ON THE

1:42:48PARTICULAR UH GRIDS AND UH ON

1:42:50WHAT IS CONSIDERED A LARGE LOAD

1:42:53UH GENERALLY WE ARE LOOKING

1:42:54INTO YOU KNOW, 50 PLUS UH

1:42:56MEGAWATTS IN TERMS OF THE

1:42:58INFERENCE POINT UH, THERE IS UM

1:43:01INCREASING NEED FOR AI AND

1:43:03COMPUTING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A

1:43:05VARIETY OF REASONS.

1:43:06WE TALKED ABOUT HOSPITALS,

1:43:07SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH FOR LOW

1:43:09ENFORCEMENT FOR MANY OTHER

1:43:11APPLICATIONS AND SOME OF.

1:43:12THESE UH, WILL NEED TO HAVE

1:43:15LOCAL UH, AS YOU CALL INFERENCE

1:43:17POINTS OR EDGE DATA CENTERS AS

1:43:19WE ALSO CALL THEM.

1:43:21UM, THIS IS NECESSARY BECAUSE

1:43:22SOME OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT

1:43:24WE RUN ARE LOW LATENCY.

1:43:26SO YOU NEED TO HAVE A LOCAL

1:43:27DATA CENTER TO UM, ACCESS UH

1:43:31THERE ARE ALSO DATA CENTERS

1:43:32THAT NEED TO BE CONNECTED TO UH

1:43:35RESEARCH INFRASTRUCTURE

1:43:36LABORATORY EQUIPMENT UH, AND

1:43:38THE LIKE.

1:43:39SO AGAIN, UH THEY NEED TO BE

1:43:40LOCAL.

1:43:41CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT JUST FOR

1:43:42LIKE THE.

1:43:44I WOULD SAY THE.

1:43:45PUBLIC BUT I'M LIKE ME TOO.

1:43:46UM CAN YOU DESCRIBE LIKE WHAT

1:43:48THOSE MIGHT BE USED FOR?

1:43:49YES.

1:43:50LIKE SOME SAMPLES.

1:43:51YEAH SURE SURE.

1:43:52FOR INSTANCE, UM, BIOMEDICAL

1:43:55RESEARCH UH, MAY HAVE, UH, LAB

1:43:58EQUIPMENT DRUG DISCOVERY, UM

1:44:02COMPUTING SOFTWARE MIGHT NEED

1:44:04TO EVENTUALLY CONNECT TO

1:44:05LABORATORY EQUIPMENT, UH, FOR

1:44:08EXPERIMENTATION.

1:44:08THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE.

1:44:10UH, THERE COULD BE MEDICAL

1:44:12APPLICATIONS WHERE YOU KNOW,

1:44:14EVENTUALLY THE COMPUTATIONAL

1:44:16UH, ACTIVITIES WE ARE DOING MAY

1:44:18NEED TO CONNECT TO PHYSICAL

1:44:19DEVICES.

1:44:20UM AND AGAIN LABORATORY

1:44:22EQUIPMENT FOR EXPERIMENTS, UM.

1:44:24AND THE.

1:44:25>> LIKE UH, SO UH I MENTIONED

1:44:28LOW LATENCY APPLICATIONS.

1:44:30I MENTIONED THE NEED TO CONNECT

1:44:31TO PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

1:44:33AND THE THIRD THING IS.

1:44:35UM.

1:44:35>> SOME OF THE DATA IS

1:44:37SENSITIVE AND IS NOT EASILY

1:44:39OFFLOADED TO REMOTE LOCATIONS.

1:44:42UH, SO LIKE A CT OR CAT SCAN OR

1:44:44AN MRI MEDICAL.

1:44:45DATA FINANCE DATA.

1:44:47>> WHEN.

1:44:47WE LOOK INTO EXAMPLES WE TALKED

1:44:48ABOUT CITIES AS EXAMPLES.

1:44:50NEW YORK CITY HAS A LARGE

1:44:51NUMBER OF DATA CENTERS AND A

1:44:53LOT OF THE FINANCE INDUSTRY UM

1:44:56,HOLD THEIR DATA SENSITIVE

1:44:58DATA IN NEW YORK CITY.

1:45:00UH, SO AND ONE CAN GIVE MORE

1:45:02EXAMPLES.

1:45:03SO NOT ALL COMPUTING NEEDS TO

1:45:04BE LOCAL.

1:45:05SO COMPUTING IS ACTUALLY VERY

1:45:06FLEXIBLE.

1:45:07YOU CAN MOVE IT AROUND YOU KNOW

1:45:09YOU CAN ACCESS DIFFERENT

1:45:10LOCATIONS HOWEVER LOCAL

1:45:12INFRASTRUCTURE UH ALSO MATTERS

1:45:15SO SOME LOCAL INFRASTRUCTURE IS

1:45:16NEEDED.

1:45:17WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD HOW MUCH

1:45:18HEADROOM WE.

1:45:19>> HAVE IN BOSTON.

1:45:20TO BUILD SAFELY DATA CENTERS I

1:45:22DON'T KNOW BUT IT CAN CERTAINLY

1:45:24BE STUDIED AND THESE THRESHOLDS

1:45:26CAN BE DETERMINED UM BASED ON

1:45:28MEASUREMENTS SCIENTIFICALLY

1:45:30ESSENTIALLY.

1:45:31>> AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT IN THE

1:45:33MEDICAL INDUSTRY.

1:45:34YOU KNOW YOU'RE STUDYING AND

1:45:35THE.

1:45:35COMPUTER ENGINEER.

1:45:36>> YEAH, YOU'RE A PROFESSOR,

1:45:37YOU'RE STUDYING YOU'RE

1:45:38COMPUTING ENGINEER AND YOU ALSO

1:45:40HAVE YOUR OWN AI COMPANY.

1:45:42SO I'M JUST KIND OF SO I I I'M

1:45:44JUST CURIOUS UM, I HEAR A LOT

1:45:48ABOUT COMPUTING CENTERS AND AND

1:45:50WHAT DO YOU THINK LIKE IN TERMS

1:45:52OF LIKE HOW MUCH MEGABYTES YOU

1:45:54KNOW, LIKE INSIDE A HOSPITAL OR

1:45:56INSIDE A UNIVERSITY?

1:45:58UM, SORT OF WHAT HOW MANY

1:46:00MEGAWATTS DO YOU THINK THOSE

1:46:01ARE USING?

1:46:02BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE

1:46:03A SPECIAL PERMITTING OPTION TO

1:46:06PERMIT THAT AND I DON'T EVEN

1:46:07KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN AS A CITY

1:46:09SORT OF TRACKING HOW YOU KNOW,

1:46:11WHERE THESE COMPUTATIONAL

1:46:13CENTERS ARE LOCATED.

1:46:16SO UM.

1:46:17I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER.

1:46:19UM.

1:46:20>> UH, GENERALLY BOSTON IS

1:46:21MENTIONED BEFORE HAS A HANDFUL

1:46:23OF DATA CENTERS GREATER BOSTON

1:46:24AREA SO HAS OVER 40 DATA

1:46:27CENTERS.

1:46:28UM, LAST TIME I CHECKED AND

1:46:30THAT'S UM YOU KNOW, ALL AROUND

1:46:32BOSTON ESSENTIALLY SIZE CHANGES

1:46:34FROM A FEW MEGAWATTS UH, TO

1:46:38TENS OF MEGAWATTS TO IF YOU

1:46:40LOOK AT HYPERSCALERS WE ARE

1:46:41TALKING ABOUT 100 MEGAWATT PLUS

1:46:43TYPICALLY SO I DON'T KNOW THE

1:46:45CURRENT DATA CENTER LOAD IN

1:46:46BOSTON.

1:46:47BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE

1:46:48COMPUTING FACILITY WE TALK

1:46:50ABOUT UH TYPICALLY A MEGAWATT

1:46:52AND BULB UH PCC UM I BELIEVE

1:46:56OPERATES AT SEVERAL MEGAWATTS

1:46:58RIGHT NOW AND UH WITH THE AI

1:47:00HUB.

1:47:01UM IT.

1:47:02>> MIGHT EXPAND A FEW MORE

1:47:03MEGAWATTS.

1:47:04SO RELATIVELY IT'S A SMALL DATA

1:47:06CENTER AS FAR AS DATA CENTERS

1:47:07GO.

1:47:10TO.

1:47:11OH YEAH WHEN LET LET HER

1:47:13FINISH.

1:47:13YEAH.

1:47:14SO GENERALLY UH LIKE I WAS

1:47:16MENTIONING THERE IS NO UM

1:47:18NUMBER ON TOP OF MY HEAD FOR

1:47:19BOSTON BUT IT'S CERTAINLY UM

1:47:22CAN BE STUDIED HOW MUCH DATA

1:47:24CENTERS.

1:47:26UM CAN BE ALLOWED SAFELY IN

1:47:28TERMS OF THE GRID IMPACT IN

1:47:29TERMS OF OTHER IMPACTS UH,

1:47:31WITHIN BOSTON CITY.

1:47:33>> SO OKAY.

1:47:33THANK YOU SO MUCH SORRY MARY.

1:47:36SO WHEN LOWELL LAW ENACTED ITS

1:47:38DATA CENTER MORATORIUM, UH,

1:47:41WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A PROCESS

1:47:42AND HAD SIMILAR DISCUSSIONS AND

1:47:46SO WE.

1:47:47>> HAVE LIKE TWO OPTIONS.

1:47:48>> THERE'S NOT BEEN A

1:47:49DISAGREEMENT YET BUT THE

1:47:51REGULATE OPTION SAYS ANYTHING

1:47:54HIGHER THAN 15MW SO.

1:47:59YEAH.

1:48:00>> AND I IMAGINE THAT THERE ARE

1:48:01PROBABLY SOME OVER 15MW THAT WE

1:48:03HAVE NOT ESPECIALLY PERMITTED

1:48:06NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE THEY'VE

1:48:07BEEN INSIDE ANOTHER THING THAT

1:48:09WE'VE PERMITTED PROBABLY.

1:48:10NOT IN BOSTON.

1:48:11I MEAN I DON'T THINK THERE ARE

1:48:14LARGE HIDDEN DATA CENTERS IN

1:48:15BOSTON.

1:48:16IT'S JUST IT'S A LOT

1:48:17OF ELECTRICITY.

1:48:18UM, BECAUSE I MEAN THEY NEED TO

1:48:21BE INTERCONNECTED TO POWER IT.

1:48:23YEAH, YEAH.

1:48:24UH, THERE COULD BE SMALL

1:48:25FACILITIES OF A FEW MEGAWATTS

1:48:27THAT ARE MAYBE NOT KNOWN ABOUT,

1:48:29BUT I DON'T EXPECT TO FIND ANY

1:48:30LARGE DATA CENTER FACILITIES IN

1:48:33BOSTON THAT.

1:48:33THANK YOU.

1:48:33YEAH.

1:48:34IT'S HARD FOR ME TO WRAP MY

1:48:35HEAD AROUND WHAT A FEW

1:48:36MEGAWATTS EVEN MEANS.

1:48:37SO, UM, TRISTAN.

1:48:38UM.

1:48:39>> I WANT TO APOLOGIZE.

1:48:40I'M GOING TO HAVE TO STEP OUT

1:48:41TO CATCH A FLIGHT FOR A

1:48:43CONFERENCE ON DATA CENTERS.

1:48:44UM, I WANTED TO JUST MAKE, UH,

1:48:45TWO POINTS BEFORE I LEAVE.

1:48:47>> UH.

1:48:47ONE IS AGAIN, AS WE THINK ABOUT

1:48:49THE QUESTION OF WHAT THE RISK

1:48:50IS TO BOSTON, THERE ARE NO

1:48:51CURRENT MAJOR PROPOSALS, BUT WE

1:48:53DO HAVE THE LARGER SALES AND

1:48:54USE TAX EXEMPTION AND THERE HAS

1:48:56BEEN TONS OF INTEREST SUBMITTED

1:48:57TO THE UTILITIES.

1:48:58SO I'M SPEAKING WITH EVERSOURCE

1:49:00NATIONAL GRID AND UNTIL THEY'VE

1:49:01GOTTEN ALMOST 5000MW OF DATA

1:49:04CENTER PROPOSALS THOSE AREN'T

1:49:06ALL REAL.

1:49:06THEY LIKE TO SHOP AROUND BUT

1:49:08THAT'S MULTIPLES OF WHAT IT

1:49:09TAKES TO POWER ALL THE HOMES IN

1:49:11OUR STATE.

1:49:11AND SO WE JUST WANT TO BE

1:49:13MINDFUL OF BEING PROACTIVE AND

1:49:14PART OF THE WAY WE TRY TO DO

1:49:15THAT.

1:49:16TO ANSWER A QUESTION THAT

1:49:17COUNCILOR WEBER ASKED EARLIER,

1:49:18WHAT ADVOCACY CAN YOU ALL DO TO

1:49:20THE STATE LEGISLATURE?

1:49:20WE AS ADVOCATES HAVE BEEN

1:49:22WORKING UH WITH SENATOR HOWARD

1:49:24AND SHE HAD SOME AMENDMENT

1:49:25LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE BEEN

1:49:27TRYING TO ADVANCE THROUGH THE

1:49:29UM ENERGY BILL AND CURRENTLY

1:49:30THE HOUSE HAS PASSED SOME

1:49:32LANGUAGE THAT WOULD REQUIRE 85%

1:49:34CLEAN ENERGY GENERATION AND

1:49:36PROTECTING COSTS TO RATEPAYERS.

1:49:38THE SENATE HAS PASSED A

1:49:39SOMEWHAT BROADER SET

1:49:41OF PROTECTIONS BUT HAS TIED IT

1:49:42TO THE SALES AND USE TAX

1:49:43EXEMPTION.

1:49:44SO WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THAT ALL

1:49:46DATA CENTERS WHETHER OR NOT YOU

1:49:47ACCEPT THE BRIBE OF A TAX AS A

1:49:49TAX EXEMPTION YOU STILL MEET

1:49:51HIGH STANDARDS.

1:49:51AND SO WE WANT TO SEE A

1:49:53COMBINATION OF SENATOR HOWARD'S

1:49:54AMENDMENT LANGUAGE 62 UH, WITH

1:49:57THE HOUSE'S BROADER APPROACH.

1:49:58THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

1:49:59AND TRISTAN, THANK YOU FOR

1:50:01PROVERBIALLY BEING AT THE TABLE

1:50:02WITH US AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A

1:50:03SAFE FLIGHT.

1:50:04THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

1:50:05SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO

1:50:06COUNCILOR WEBER.

1:50:06UM, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

1:50:08SURE.

1:50:09>> UH, PROFESSOR.

1:50:11AM I PRONOUNCING THAT RIGHT?

1:50:12NOT TOO SURE.

1:50:13YES.

1:50:13SORRY.

1:50:14UM UH, SO JUST.

1:50:16>> IN TERMS.

1:50:17>> OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN

1:50:18TERMS OF THE FUTURE, I THINK A

1:50:19LOT OF THE YOU KNOW, SORT

1:50:22OF THE ANXIETY IS LIKE THE EYE

1:50:24IS REALLY YOU KNOW, SORT OF ON

1:50:26THE SCENE AND IT'S NEW AND

1:50:27SEEMS TO BE GROWING

1:50:28EXPONENTIALLY AND UM, YOU KNOW

1:50:31,SO WHAT DO YOU THINK LIKE

1:50:32FIVE YEARS FROM NOW LIKE WHAT

1:50:34ARE WE I READ ONE STUDY THAT WE

1:50:37WERE GOING TO DOUBLE OUR DATA

1:50:38CENTER CAPACITY IN THE COUNTRY

1:50:41UH, IN THE NEXT 4 OR 5 YEARS.

1:50:44IS THAT BUT YOU KNOW, DO YOU

1:50:46THINK WHAT DO YOU THINK WE'RE

1:50:48GOING TO BE SEEING IN TERMS

1:50:49OF DATA CENTERS?

1:50:50YES, WE ARE SEEING TREMENDOUS

1:50:52UH, DEMAND UH, FOR AI DATA

1:50:54CENTERS WITH AI GROWTH.

1:50:56UM.

1:50:56>> IT'S COMPLETELY UNFORESEEN

1:50:58AND THE NUMBERS UM YOU QUOTED

1:51:00ARE RIGHT THAT THE THE

1:51:02EXPECTATION IS TO DOUBLE UH, IN

1:51:05THE NEXT FEW YEARS UH, THE

1:51:06TOTAL CAPACITY OF DATA CENTERS

1:51:09UH, THIS IS BECAUSE AI IS

1:51:10BECOMING VERY PERVASIVE.

1:51:12UM, AND UM IT'S INCREASINGLY

1:51:14BEING USED IN A LOT

1:51:16OF DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS,

1:51:16DIFFERENT SECTORS.

1:51:18AND I ALSO CONSUMES UM I MEAN

1:51:21NEEDS TO DO A LOT OF MASS

1:51:23BASICALLY A LOT

1:51:24OF COMPUTATIONS.

1:51:25THEREFORE THE RESOURCES IT

1:51:26REQUIRES IS LARGER THAN THE

1:51:28COMPUTE NEED TO BE TYPICALLY

1:51:29HAD OR DONE.

1:51:30UM, OVER THE IN THE PAST.

1:51:33AND I GUESS.

1:51:34IS THERE ANY HOPE THAT ALL THAT

1:51:36DATA AND THE AI YOU KNOW WILL

1:51:38WILL INCREASE THE EFFICIENCY?

1:51:40YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ENERGY

1:51:41EFFICIENCY OF THE DATA CENTERS

1:51:43THEMSELVES?

1:51:43YES OR NO?

1:51:45SO ENERGY EFFICIENCY A COUPLE

1:51:46OF THINGS ONE ENERGY EFFICIENCY

1:51:47IS GOING TO INCREASE.

1:51:49UH IT ALWAYS DOES WITH HARDWARE

1:51:50WITH SOFTWARE WE ALWAYS MANAGE

1:51:52TO MAKE OUR COMPUTER SYSTEMS

1:51:54BETTER.

1:51:54BUT TYPICALLY EFFICIENCY

1:51:56DOESN'T NECESSARILY CURB THE

1:51:58DEMAND.

1:51:59UH BECAUSE WHEN WE MAKE MORE

1:52:00EFFICIENT USE OF OUR COMPUTING

1:52:01WE FIND MORE USES TO APPLY IT

1:52:03EVERYWHERE.

1:52:05UM, WE SEE TREMENDOUS DEMAND

1:52:07GROWTH.

1:52:07UH, THIS IS WHY I'M WORKING ON

1:52:09SPECIFICALLY POWER FLEXIBILITY

1:52:11BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK INTO THE

1:52:12POWER GRID TODAY IT'S NOT LIKE

1:52:14THERE ISN'T POWER.

1:52:16THERE IS POWER.

1:52:17UM, MOST OF THE TIME OUR POWER

1:52:19GRID IS UTILIZED 30 TO 50% UM

1:52:22OF ITS CAPACITY BUT THERE ARE

1:52:25SMALL NUMBER OF HOURS EVERY

1:52:27YEAR WHERE WE HIT THE PEAK.

1:52:29UH, TYPICAL EXAMPLE IS HOT

1:52:31SUMMER DAY IN A HOT AREA OR

1:52:32COLD WINTER DAY.

1:52:34UM, WE HAVE ELECTRIFIED HEATING

1:52:36HERE, RIGHT?

1:52:37SO THOSE FEW NUMBER OF HOURS IT

1:52:40ANNUALLY IS THE TIME WE HIT THE

1:52:42PEAK NOW THE GRID UPGRADES USED

1:52:44TO HAPPEN.

1:52:45UH, ASSUMING DATA CENTERS CAN

1:52:46CONSUME ALL THE CAPACITY THAT

1:52:49THEY HAVE IF IT'S A 100

1:52:50MEGAWATT IS CAN CONSUME 100MW.

1:52:52THIS IS THE OLD MODEL THAT WE

1:52:54NEED TO CHANGE BECAUSE IT

1:52:57REQUIRES DOING VERY EXPENSIVE

1:52:58GRID UPGRADES.

1:52:59SO WE CAN USE THE AVAILABLE

1:53:01POWER WE HAVE TODAY IN A MUCH

1:53:02BETTER WAY.

1:53:03SO THAT'S WHY THE DEMAND IS

1:53:05THERE.

1:53:05THE EFFICIENCY WILL COME THAT'S

1:53:07STILL GOING TO UM THERE'S STILL

1:53:10GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIAL DEMAND.

1:53:12SO WE NEED TO CHANGE HOW WE

1:53:13POWER DATA CENTERS.

1:53:14THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE IN AND

1:53:16THAT'S WHAT I UH, HAVE BEEN

1:53:18SEEING THAT IT'S POSSIBLE UM,

1:53:20BASICALLY TO CHANGE HOW WE

1:53:21POWER OUR DATA CENTERS.

1:53:23AND JUST ON THE TOPIC

1:53:24OF EFFICIENCY, IF I COULD, UM,

1:53:26YOU KNOW, JUST UM WE HAVE A

1:53:27NUMBER OF EXISTING POLICIES

1:53:28HERE IN THE CITY OF BOSTON THAT

1:53:30ARE QUITE UNIQUE COMPARED TO

1:53:31OTHER CITIES AND I'M THINKING

1:53:33NOTABLY ABOUT BERTO ABOUT OUR

1:53:34NET ZERO ZONING CODE ARTICLE 37

1:53:37AND THEN THE SPECIALIZED ENERGY

1:53:38CODE.

1:53:39SO THE COMBINATION OF ALL THESE

1:53:40THINGS MEANS ANY NEW

1:53:42CONSTRUCTION OF ANY KIND,

1:53:43INCLUDING DATA CENTERS ARE

1:53:44GOING TO BE HIGHLY ENERGY

1:53:46EFFICIENT AND THEY'RE REQUIRED

1:53:47TO BE NET ZERO EMISSIONS ON DAY

1:53:50ONE IF THEY'RE BUILT NOW.

1:53:52SO UH, THAT WOULD PUT THESE NEW

1:53:53CONSTRUCTIONS SUBSTANTIALLY

1:53:54EVEN MORE EFFICIENT THAN THE

1:53:56EXISTING DATA CENTERS THAT

1:53:57ALREADY EXIST IN THE CITY.

1:53:58UM, AND I THINK THOSE ARE THAT

1:54:00IS A UNIQUE THING ABOUT BOSTON

1:54:02AND A SMALL NUMBER OF OTHER

1:54:03CITIES NATIONALLY.

1:54:05OKAY.

1:54:06>> UH, YES YES, YES.

1:54:08SO THE OUTLOOK ON DATA CENTERS

1:54:11AND AI IS YOU KNOW, THERE'S

1:54:13GOING TO BE A LOT OF THIS STUFF

1:54:15HAPPENING.

1:54:15BUT REMEMBER EVERY BOOM HAS A

1:54:18BUST AND WHEN THAT BUST HAPPENS

1:54:21IT'S THE CITY OF BOSTON AND ITS

1:54:24RESIDENTS THAT WILL BE LEFT

1:54:26DEALING WITH DECOMMISSIONING.

1:54:28SO IT'S IMPORTANT EVEN AS YOU

1:54:31THINK UH ABOUT THE FUTURE

1:54:33YOU'LL ASK YOURSELVES OF WHO

1:54:35WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.

1:54:38UH, DATA CENTER WHEN THE OWNERS

1:54:43PACK UP, UH, AND GO.

1:54:45WELL, YEAH, I GUESS SO.

1:54:47MAYBE MICHELLE AND MARY MY

1:54:49QUESTION JUST LOOKING AT THIS

1:54:50ON A STRICTLY, YOU KNOW,

1:54:52MUNICIPAL BASIS THAT I CAN

1:54:55UNDERSTAND WHY WE DO THAT BUT

1:54:56LIKE IF IF LOWELL BANS DATA

1:54:59CENTERS BUT CHELMSFORD PUTS IN

1:55:035 OR 6 YOU KNOW I GET IT.

1:55:04DOESN'T THAT HAVE AN IMPACT ON

1:55:06LOWELL?

1:55:08UM AND AND SO SO SHOULD WE BE

1:55:11LOOKING MORE AT THE STATE OR

1:55:12YOU KNOW, UH I DON'T KNOW HOW

1:55:15TO THINK ABOUT THIS ISSUE IN

1:55:17LIGHT OF THAT.

1:55:18YOU CAN START MARY.

1:55:19OKAY.

1:55:20>> SO, UH, YOU HAVE TO

1:55:22UNDERSTAND I'M ONE OF THE TEN

1:55:23PEOPLE THAT SUED THE DEPARTMENT

1:55:25OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.

1:55:26SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT

1:55:28OF CONFIDENCE IN THE STATE AND,

1:55:31UH, MY FIRM BELIEF IS THAT A

1:55:35CITY NEEDS TO BE VERY WELL

1:55:39FORTIFIED FOR THE PROTECTION

1:55:41OF ITS OWN PEOPLE.

1:55:43THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, UH, WE

1:55:46ARE NOT WORKING OR WE WILL NOT

1:55:48TRY TO MAKE SURE THE STATE HAS

1:55:50THE RIGHT LAWS.

1:55:52BUT I THINK THAT WHEN IT COMES

1:55:54TO THIS, UH, ANY TYPE

1:55:57OF INDUSTRIAL GROWTH IN YOUR

1:56:00CITY, THE CITY NEEDS TO BE

1:56:02STRONG AND FIRM.

1:56:04AND THAT'S WHY THE EXECUTIVE

1:56:06ORDER THAT THE GOVERNOR SIGNED

1:56:09,UH, MADE A LOT OF US HAPPY

1:56:12BECAUSE IT SAID THAT MORE POWER

1:56:15YOU KNOW, THE LOCAL PEOPLE ARE

1:56:17THE ONES WHO ARE FAST.

1:56:19IF THEY DON'T WANT IT, THEN IT

1:56:21WILL NOT HAPPEN.

1:56:22WHICH MEANS THAT IF WE WANT

1:56:25DEVELOPMENT EVEN OF DATA

1:56:27CENTERS THEN WE HAVE TO DO IT

1:56:29RIGHT.

1:56:29AND THE MUNICIPALITIES THE ONE

1:56:31THAT LEADS OKAY.

1:56:33YEAH THAT'S THE ONE.

1:56:35THING I.

1:56:38I THINK.

1:56:38I'M SORRY.

1:56:39CAN YOU TURN ON THIS?

1:56:40I'M SORRY.

1:56:41WE JUST WE HAVE NO.

1:56:42YEAH.

1:56:43>> OKAY.

1:56:43THE PRESS THE ON BUT I'M NOT

1:56:45SURE IS THIS ONE OKAY?

1:56:48UM, ONE THING THAT I WOULD ADD

1:56:50TO THAT IN TERMS OF PROTECTIONS

1:56:52FOR RATEPAYERS FOR INCREASING

1:56:54UH, ELECTRICITY COSTS WITH UM

1:56:58DEMAND INCREASING USE FROM UH

1:57:01DATA CENTERS AND I THAT THAT

1:57:02THE CITY COULD UM HAVE

1:57:06CONVERSATIONS AND PARTNER WITH

1:57:07UH THE DPU ON IS LARGE LOAD

1:57:10TARIFFS.

1:57:11UM AND I CAN JUST GO OVER

1:57:13QUICKLY WHAT THE DEFINITION

1:57:14OF THAT IS.

1:57:15SO THERE ARE REGULAR UH,

1:57:17REGULATORY APPROVED RATE

1:57:19STRUCTURES FOR LARGE ELECTRIC

1:57:20CUSTOMERS THAT ENSURE THAT THEY

1:57:23ARE PAYING UH THE COSTS FOR

1:57:25THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

1:57:26AND THIS IS ALSO, UM,

1:57:28PARTICULARLY A GOOD PROTECTION

1:57:30FOR UM, SPECULATIVE UH, DATA

1:57:34CENTER PROJECTS.

1:57:35UH, TO MARY'S POINT ABOUT THE

1:57:37BOOM HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

1:57:39UM, WE DEFINITELY WOULD WANT

1:57:40THE CITY TO BE PROTECTED, UM,

1:57:43FOR MANY PROPOSED PROJECTS.

1:57:45WHICH ULTIMATELY UH.

1:57:48DID NOT GO THROUGH OR DID NOT

1:57:51UH USE THE AMOUNT OF POWER THAT

1:57:53THEY PROJECTED AND PAY FOR THAT

1:57:55IN ADVANCE SO THAT UH, THOSE

1:57:57IMPACTS AREN'T BEING PASSED ON

1:57:59TO RATEPAYERS WHEN WE KNOW, UH,

1:58:02BOSTONIANS AND RESIDENTS ACROSS

1:58:03THE COMMONWEALTH WHERE RIGHT

1:58:04NOW ARE REALLY STRUGGLING WITH

1:58:06ENERGY COSTS AS ONE OF THE TOP

1:58:08CONCERNS.

1:58:10OKAY THANK YOU THANK YOU CHAIR.

1:58:11THANK YOU.

1:58:12AND UM I'M GOING TO LET

1:58:14COUNCILOR CULPEPER ASK YOU AS

1:58:15ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION AND THEN

1:58:16WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE REST

1:58:18OF.

1:58:18THE COUNCIL.

1:58:19CAN I HAD ONE QUESTION.

1:58:21FOR YOU CONCERNING YOUR

1:58:23RESEARCH.

1:58:24ON TECHNOLOGIES AND I THINK

1:58:26THEY HELP DATA CENTERS MANAGE

1:58:28YOUR ELECTRICITY DEMAND MORE

1:58:31EFFICIENTLY EVEN.

1:58:33IF THE FACILITIES WERE.

1:58:34>> ABLE TO MANAGE THE

1:58:37ELECTRICITY MORE EFFICIENTLY,

1:58:39ISN'T THERE STILL A RISK

1:58:41OF EXPANSION OF DATA CENTERS

1:58:43THAT WILL CONTINUE TO DRIVE UP

1:58:45OVERALL ELECTRICITY

1:58:46CONSUMPTION?

1:58:48UM.

1:58:50>> SO UH, EFFICIENCY IS

1:58:51IMPORTANT BUT UH, WHAT I'VE

1:58:53BEEN PARTICULARLY WORKING ON IS

1:58:55FLEXIBILITY AND UH THE MODEL

1:58:57USED TO BE THAT WE GIVE DATA

1:59:00CENTER 100MW AND WE NEED TO

1:59:01SUPPORT THAT AT ANY TIME IT

1:59:03ONCE IT CAN CONSUME THAT 100

1:59:05MEGAWATT.

1:59:06THIS BRINGS A LOT OF COST

1:59:07BECAUSE NEW GENERATION

1:59:08TRANSMISSION DISTRIBUTION HAS

1:59:09TO BE BUILT.

1:59:10IT'S EXPENSIVE AND IT'S UM.

1:59:13CAN BE I MEAN IF ON THIS

1:59:15TARIFFS ARE PUT IN PLACE ALL

1:59:17THIS COST CAN BE REFLECTED TO

1:59:18THE RATEPAYERS NOW INSTEAD IF

1:59:21WE HAVE POWER LET'S SAY 99%

1:59:24OF THE TIME WE ACTUALLY POWER

1:59:25IN THE GRID FOR A 50 MEGAWATT

1:59:28DATA CENTER.

1:59:29UH WE CAN SAY OKAY, YOU KNOW,

1:59:32YOU CAN HAVE 50MW OF.

1:59:34UM OR 40 MEGAWATT OF FOREIGN

1:59:37POWER BUT TEN MEGAWATTS

1:59:39OF FLEXIBLE POWER WHICH THE

1:59:41UTILITY OR THE INDEPENDENT

1:59:43SERVICE OPERATOR CAN TAKE IT

1:59:45AWAY DURING THESE STRESS TIMES.

1:59:46SO THAT'S A NEW WAY OF LOOKING

1:59:48INTO DATA CENTER OPERATION.

1:59:50UH, YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD

1:59:52OF DEMAND RESPONSE BASICALLY

1:59:54THIS IS SIMILAR CONCEPT.

1:59:55WELL THE CONSUMER ADJUSTS

1:59:57ELECTRICITY WHEN THERE IS

1:59:59HIGHER USE IN THE GRID.

2:00:00NOW WHY IS THIS A NEW FORM?

2:00:02BECAUSE DATA CENTERS MOST

2:00:04OF THE TIME 9,899% OF THE TIME

2:00:07CAN SERVE THEIR CUSTOMERS

2:00:09BUSINESS AS USUAL BUT THE FEW

2:00:11PERCENT OF THE TIME WHEN THE

2:00:12GRID NEEDS IT MOST THEN THEY

2:00:14CAN LOWER THEIR CONSUMPTION.

2:00:16THEY HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO

2:00:17THAT.

2:00:18A LOT OF COMPUTE LOAD IS NOT

2:00:19URGENT THEY CAN BE TEMPORARILY

2:00:21SUSPENDED OR SLOWED DOWN.

2:00:23SO THIS IS THE KIND

2:00:24OF TECHNOLOGY WE ARE BUILDING.

2:00:26SO OVERALL UM FOR THIS TO

2:00:28HAPPEN OF COURSE THE NECESSARY

2:00:30PROGRAMS POLICIES NEED TO BE

2:00:32PUT IN PLACE AND TO ENSURE THAT

2:00:34DATA DATA CENTER OPERATES

2:00:37WITHIN UH THEY'RE ALLOWED POWER

2:00:38NUMBERS UH, THE MEASUREMENT

2:00:41VERIFICATION UM ESSENTIALLY

2:00:44SYSTEMS NEED TO BE PUT IN

2:00:45PLACE.

2:00:46UH, SO ALL OF THIS IS POSSIBLE

2:00:48UM, LIKE I MENTIONED BROADLY IN

2:00:50THE UNITED STATES IN A VARIETY

2:00:52OF AREAS, UH, UTILITIES ARE

2:00:53LOOKING INTO FLEXIBLE

2:00:55INTERCONNECTION PROGRAMS.

2:00:57UM, SOME REGULATORY BODIES ARE

2:00:59LOOKING INTO HOW TO MAKE THIS

2:01:00HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY FOR LARGE

2:01:02DATA CENTERS, ESPECIALLY IN

2:01:04AREAS WHERE THERE'S A LOT

2:01:05OF THE DATA CENTERS UM, DEMAND

2:01:08UH LEADING IN THE QUEUES.

2:01:09BUT WE CAN ALSO THINK ABOUT

2:01:11WHEN WE ARE THINKING ABOUT

2:01:13BOSTON'S POTENTIAL DATA CENTERS

2:01:15GROWTH.

2:01:16WE CAN THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN

2:01:17FROM THE FROM DAY ONE, HOW WE

2:01:20CAN MAKE THEM EFFICIENT, HOW WE

2:01:21CAN MAKE THEM RESPONSIBLE, HOW

2:01:23WE CAN MAKE THEM GRID, UH,

2:01:25RESPONSIVE ASSETS SO THAT THEY

2:01:27DON'T BREAK THE GRID.

2:01:28INSTEAD THEY PROVIDE RESILIENCE

2:01:30.

2:01:30TO THE GOVERNMENTS AND

2:01:31CONSUMERS.

2:01:31WHERE PROTECTIONS ARE NEEDED TO

2:01:34ENSURE THAT CONSUMERS AND SMALL

2:01:36BUSINESSES ARE NOT PAYING FOR

2:01:39THE RESULTING, UH,

2:01:41INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES.

2:01:43SO I MEAN, IT GOES BEYOND MY.

2:01:44UM, EXPERTISE IN TERMS OF HOW

2:01:46TO PRICE ELECTRICITY.

2:01:48UM, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING.

2:01:49WHAT PROTECTIONS.

2:01:51FOR PROTECTIONS FOR THE

2:01:53RATEPAYERS, YOU MEAN RIGHT.

2:01:53YEAH.

2:01:54SO UM SO LIKE I WAS SAYING MY

2:01:56SPECIALTY IS NOT DEVELOPING

2:01:57TARIFFS BUT IN GENERAL WHAT WE

2:01:59ARE SEEING ACROSS UM THE US AND

2:02:01GLOBALLY IS THAT ARE

2:02:03SUGGESTIONS TO REFLECT SOME

2:02:04OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE COST TO

2:02:06DATA CENTER COMPANIES.

2:02:08UM, SO GENERALLY SPEAKING

2:02:11AFFORDABILITY IS AN IMPORTANT

2:02:12PIECE AND AGAIN LIKE IF WE USE

2:02:15THE AVAILABLE UH INFRASTRUCTURE

2:02:17WE HAVE TODAY BETTER AND REDUCE

2:02:19THE NEED OF COSTLY

2:02:21INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATES, THAT'S

2:02:22ALSO IMPORTANT.

2:02:25SO UH WHEN WE CHANGE HOW WE

2:02:27POWER DATA CENTERS, WE DON'T

2:02:29NEED TO RUSH TO BUILD A LOT

2:02:31OF COSTLY INFRASTRUCTURE

2:02:32UPGRADES.

2:02:33WE CAN USE THE AVAILABLE POWER

2:02:34WE HAVE BETTER AND DO BETTER,

2:02:37MORE SUSTAINABLE, MORE PACED,

2:02:39CHEAPER UH, GROWTH OF THE POWER

2:02:41GRID.

2:02:42UH, AT THE SAME TIME TECHNOLOGY

2:02:44THIS IS THE FOUNDATION OF THE

2:02:46TECHNOLOGY BUT TARIFFS AND

2:02:48PRICING AND HOW TO PROTECT

2:02:49RATEPAYERS THAT NEED TO BE IN

2:02:51PLACE.

2:02:51LIKE I WAS SAYING THAT'S NOT

2:02:52EXACTLY MY EXPERTISE.

2:02:54UH, BUT CERTAINLY UH WE NEED TO

2:02:57DESIGN THE NECESSARY UM,

2:02:59FRAMEWORKS SO THAT ALL OF THIS

2:03:01COST IS NOT PAID BY THE UH,

2:03:03COMMUNITY.

2:03:05UH UM.

2:03:07I COULD ADD.

2:03:08YEAH, I THINK WE'RE ABOUT DONE

2:03:10WITH THIS PORTION JUST BECAUSE

2:03:11WE'VE GONE UM WE'VE GONE A

2:03:13LITTLE BIT OVER AND THERE'S

2:03:14ACTUALLY CITY BOSTON LIKE A BIG

2:03:16CITY OF BOSTON EVENT TONIGHT,

2:03:17WHICH IS WHY MY COLLEAGUES HAVE

2:03:18LEFT US.

2:03:19UM, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

2:03:22WE HAVE TIME FOR PUBLIC

2:03:22TESTIMONY.

2:03:24UM, BUT IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY

2:03:25ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY, WE WILL

2:03:27STILL BE ACCEPTING TESTIMONY

2:03:29UNTIL YOU KNOW THE END OF TIME.

2:03:31SO FEEL FREE TO EMAIL MY

2:03:33COMMITTEE EMAIL AND WE'LL MAKE

2:03:34SURE THAT IT GETS INTO THE

2:03:35RECORD.

2:03:35BUT I KNOW SOME OF OUR UM,

2:03:37FOLKS ONLINE HAVE BEEN WAITING

2:03:38FOR A WHILE AND UM CYRIL

2:03:41CLEMENT WE ARE READY FOR YOU

2:03:43FOR TWO MINUTES.

2:03:46AND THANK YOU SO MUCH TO OUR

2:03:49PANEL FOR SPENDING TIME WITH US

2:03:50TODAY.

2:03:51UM AND THEN WE HAVE TWO TWO

2:03:53FOLKS ONLINE I THINK KATE AND

2:03:57CHATTEN GREEN SO OKAY.

2:03:59PERFECT.

2:04:00UM, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

2:04:03GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR DURKAN

2:04:04AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY

2:04:05COUNCIL.

2:04:06MY NAME IS CYRIL CLEMENT AND

2:04:07I'M A RESIDENT OF BOSTON AND

2:04:08THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE

2:04:09FELLOW AT THE MASSACHUSETTS

2:04:10PUBLIC HEALTH ALLIANCE AS A

2:04:12STATEWIDE PUBLIC HEALTH

2:04:14ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION AND

2:04:16STRONGLY SUPPORTS THE

2:04:17PROHIBITION OF NEW DATA CENTERS

2:04:19IN BOSTON AS DEFINED IN THE

2:04:20PROPOSED ORDER.

2:04:21THIS IS A CRUCIAL STEP WHILE WE

2:04:23WORK ON UNDERSTANDING AND

2:04:25MITIGATING THE RISK OF THIS NEW

2:04:26TECHNOLOGY AND THE CONCERNS

2:04:28THAT IT POSES TO OUR TO THE

2:04:29HEALTH OF OUR COMMUNITIES.

2:04:30OUR CONCERNS ABOUT DATA CENTERS

2:04:33IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR SIZE,

2:04:35FOCUS ON THREE PRIMARY ISSUES

2:04:37RISING UTILITY BILLS,

2:04:39UNDERSTANDING THE CITY'S

2:04:40RESPONSE, UNDERMINING THE

2:04:41CITY'S RESPONSE TO CLIMATE

2:04:42CHANGE AND THE HEALTH RISKS

2:04:44THAT WILL OUTLIVE DATA CENTERS

2:04:45.

2:04:45FIRST, IT IS CLEAR THAT DATA

2:04:48CENTERS EXACERBATE THE

2:04:49AFFORDABILITY CRISIS THAT IS

2:04:50HITTING OUR CITY BY DRIVING UP

2:04:53ENERGY DEMANDS AND REQUIRING

2:04:54SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE

2:04:56UPGRADES.

2:04:56DATA CENTERS CONTRIBUTE TO

2:04:58RISING UTILITY BILLS AT NIGHT.

2:05:00WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE WILL BE

2:05:01FORCED TO MAKE IMPOSSIBLE

2:05:02CHOICES BETWEEN PAYING THESE

2:05:04BILLS, PUTTING FOOD ON THE

2:05:05TABLE, GETTING THE HEALTH CARE

2:05:06THEY NEED AND SPENDING TIME

2:05:08WITH LOVED ONES.

2:05:09SECOND, AS BOSTON FACES

2:05:11INCREASINGLY FREQUENT CLIMATE

2:05:12DISASTERS SUCH AS HEATWAVES,

2:05:14SNOWSTORMS AND DROUGHTS, IT

2:05:15MUST CONSIDER HOW THE EXCESSIVE

2:05:17ENERGY AND WATER CONSUMPTION IN

2:05:18DATA CENTERS WILL HARM OUR

2:05:20ABILITY TO RESPOND.

2:05:21SEEING DATA CENTERS FLOURISH

2:05:23WHILE POWER OUTAGES AND WATER

2:05:24SHORTAGES OCCUR IN OUR CITY

2:05:26WOULD BE DEVASTATING.

2:05:27FINALLY, THE CURRENT AI BOOM IS

2:05:29BUILT ON SPECULATION AND LOFTY

2:05:31PROMISES ABOUT TECH BASED

2:05:32FUTURES.

2:05:33AS TECHNOLOGY RAPIDLY ADVANCES

2:05:34,DATA CENTERS CAN QUICKLY

2:05:35BECOME OBSOLETE AND IT'S

2:05:37DIFFICULT TO REPURPOSE THESE

2:05:38SITES.

2:05:39WHILE THESE CORPORATIONS MOVE

2:05:41ON TO THE NEXT BIG IDEA,

2:05:42COMMUNITIES WILL CONTINUE TO

2:05:43PAY FOR ABANDONED DATA CENTERS

2:05:44THROUGH EXPOSURE TO POLLUTION,

2:05:46TOXIC WASTE AND FOREVER

2:05:47CHEMICALS IS SKEPTICAL THAT

2:05:50DATA CENTERS WILL CREATE A

2:05:51PROSPEROUS FUTURE FOR ALL.

2:05:52AND BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD NO

2:05:54LONGER BE ALLOWED TO DIVERT

2:05:55RESOURCES AWAY FROM THINGS THAT

2:05:57WILL SUCH AS HEALTH CARE,

2:05:59HOUSING, FOOD, PUBLIC TRANSIT

2:06:00AND HEALTHY ENVIRONMENTS TO

2:06:02PREVENT RISING UTILITY BILLS,

2:06:04IMPROVE CLIMATE RESILIENCE AND

2:06:05PREVENT THEIR LONG TERM HEALTH

2:06:07RISKS.

2:06:07WE URGE THIS COMMITTEE TO

2:06:09PROHIBIT NEW DATA CENTERS IN

2:06:10BOSTON.

2:06:10THANK YOU.

2:06:11THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR

2:06:13TESTIMONY.

2:06:14KATE RICHARD IS ON VIRTUAL.

2:06:24YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

2:06:25KATE.

2:06:29HELLO.

2:06:30>> THANK YOU.

2:06:31BOSTON CITY COUNCIL FOR TAKING

2:06:33PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

2:06:34I STAND HERE BEFORE YOU AS A

2:06:37CAUTIONARY TALE FROM THE CITY

2:06:39OF BROCKTON WHEN IN THE LATE

2:06:4190S THEY DEREGULATED THE POWER

2:06:44PLANT, UH, ELECTRIC GENERATING,

2:06:46UM, BUSINESS MODEL.

2:06:48UM, DATA CENTERS ARE THAT NEXT

2:06:51TYPE OF WILD WEST SPECULATIVE

2:06:54DEVELOPMENT?

2:06:54UM, I THINK CONDITIONAL ZONING

2:06:57,UM, CAREFULLY DONE IS NEEDED

2:06:59.

2:06:59FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD AT TODAY'S

2:07:01MEETING IT WAS VERY

2:07:03EDUCATIONAL.

2:07:03I THINK THAT ENVIRONMENTAL

2:07:05JUSTICE COMMUNITIES NEED TO BE

2:07:08EXCLUDED.

2:07:08I THINK THE OVERLAY OF YOUR

2:07:10BUSINESS DISTRICTS NEED TO LOOK

2:07:12AT.

2:07:12AND THE THIRD POINT I HAVE UM.

2:07:15UNFORTUNATELY TISH WON'T BE

2:07:16HAPPY.

2:07:16BE VERY CAREFUL OF GIVING

2:07:18HOSPITALS A FREE PASS.

2:07:20THE CITY OF BROCKTON ALSO HAD A

2:07:22PREDATORY VENTURE DEVELOPMENT

2:07:23CAPITAL GROUP COME IN AND STRIP

2:07:25ASSETS FROM HOSPITALS.

2:07:28HOSPITALS ARE POISED NOW

2:07:29NEEDING TO USE MORE AND MORE

2:07:31OF THESE TYPES OF AI GENERATING

2:07:35UM TECHNOLOGIES THAT THEY CAN

2:07:36BUY AND SELL TO EACH OTHER.

2:07:38AND ALSO THE PHARMACEUTICAL

2:07:41INDUSTRY PEOPLE WILL BE LOOKING

2:07:43FOR THIS TYPE OF ACCESS.

2:07:44UM, USING SMART GRID TECHNOLOGY

2:07:47IS AN EXCELLENT WAY.

2:07:49UH, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN.

2:07:51BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT ALL

2:07:53STARTS WITH ZONING.

2:07:54WHEN I ASK TIME AND TIME AGAIN

2:07:56WHY THESE, UM, MAKE IT WAS A

2:08:00350 MEGAWATT POWER PLANT WAS

2:08:01PUT BEING PUT NEXT TO A SCHOOL

2:08:03WITH KIDS WITH ASTHMA.

2:08:05IT ALL CAME DOWN TO ZONING AND

2:08:07BROCKTON HAD SOME INTRICATE

2:08:09ZONING.

2:08:10YOU CAN PUT IT HERE.

2:08:11YOU CAN YOU KNOW THIS THAT AND

2:08:12THE OTHER THING BUT CITY

2:08:13OF BOSTON DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

2:08:15UH, THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE

2:08:18IMPACTS AND THE NEEDS

2:08:19ASSESSMENT NOT JUST FOR THE

2:08:20GRID, UM, BUT ALSO FOR THE

2:08:22HUMAN BEINGS THAT ARE LIVING IN

2:08:25AND AMONG YOUR BEAUTIFUL CITY.

2:08:27THANK YOU.

2:08:28RIGHT ON TIME.

2:08:29THANK YOU SO MUCH.

2:08:31UM.

2:08:32CHAT AND GREEN.

2:08:48WHEN I SAY OH, PERFECT.

2:08:49OKAY.

2:08:51YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

2:08:56YEAH.

2:09:02>> IS HE UNMUTED?

2:09:03OKAY.

2:09:04I THINK YOU'RE MUTED.

2:09:07YOU CAN UNMUTE.

2:09:13OKAY I GOT IT.

2:09:14THANK YOU.

2:09:14MY APOLOGIES.

2:09:16PERFECT PERFECT.

2:09:17GOOD AFTERNOON.

2:09:18GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

2:09:20MY NAME IS SHORT ON GREEN.

2:09:22I'M A BOSTON RESIDENT, A PROUD

2:09:24ROXBURY RESIDENT AND THE AGENT

2:09:26REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE BOSTON

2:09:27BUILDING TRADES UNIONS.

2:09:28WE REPRESENT 35,000

2:09:30CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ACROSS THE

2:09:31REGION WHO BUILD, MAINTAIN AND

2:09:33POWER OUR COMMUNITIES.

2:09:34OUR UNIONS STRENGTHEN THE LOCAL

2:09:36ECONOMY TO FAMILY SUSTAINING

2:09:38WAGES, QUALITY BENEFITS,

2:09:40APPRENTICESHIP AND TRAINING

2:09:41PROGRAMS AND THE HIGHEST

2:09:43STANDARDS UM, OF CONSTRUCTION

2:09:45SAFETY.

2:09:46WE BELIEVE IN RESPONSIBLE

2:09:47ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT

2:09:48CREATES LASTING OPPORTUNITIES

2:09:50FOR WORKING FAMILIES AND

2:09:51STRENGTHENS OUR COMMUNITIES.

2:09:52DATA CENTERS, DIGITAL

2:09:54INFRASTRUCTURE OR WHATEVER NAME

2:09:55WE USE ARE CRITICAL TO OUR

2:09:57FUTURE.

2:09:57THEY SUPPORT PATIENT RECORDS AT

2:09:59OUR HOSPITALS, RESEARCH AND

2:10:00EDUCATION AT OUR UNIVERSITIES,

2:10:03EMS AND FIRST RESPONDERS,

2:10:05PUBLIC TRANSIT, FINANCIAL

2:10:07TRANSACTIONS AND THE TECHNOLOGY

2:10:09WE RELY ON TO PLAN OUR DAILY

2:10:10LIVES AND LONG TERM FUTURES.

2:10:12THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS

2:10:13ESSENTIAL TO MODERN WORLD AND

2:10:15WE DO NOT BELIEVE A MORATORIUM

2:10:16IS THE ANSWER.

2:10:18CONVERSATION, COLLABORATION AND

2:10:20SMART POLICY ARE UM.

2:10:22WE CANNOT TURN AWAY FROM

2:10:23CONVERSATIONS AND HOPE SOMEONE

2:10:24GETS THEM RIGHT.

2:10:25WHO BETTER TO SHAPE THE FUTURE

2:10:27OF OUR REGION THAN PEOPLE AND

2:10:28COMMUNITIES WHO LIVE AND WORK

2:10:30RIGHT HERE?

2:10:30UH, IN ADDITION TO LARGE

2:10:32INSTITUTIONS, MEDICINE AND

2:10:33EDUCATION THIS INFRASTRUCTURE

2:10:34MEANS WE CAN GET ON THE BUS IN

2:10:36THE MORNING, GET TO SCHOOL AND

2:10:37WORK AND TO OUR APPOINTMENTS ON

2:10:38TIME.

2:10:39IT MEANS WHEN YOU RUN OUT

2:10:40OF MILK IN THE FRIDGE WE CAN

2:10:41BUY SOME AT LOCAL STOP AND

2:10:42SHOPS AND CORNER STORE OR

2:10:44BODEGAS.

2:10:45IT MEANS WE CAN BORROW A BOOK

2:10:46FROM THE BOSTON PUBLIC LIBRARY

2:10:47AND BE ABLE, UH, TO LOG ON TO

2:10:49PUBLIC MEETINGS OR MORE.

2:10:50UM, OUR EVERYDAY LIFE HAS

2:10:52BECOME A RELY ON ITS

2:10:54INFRASTRUCTURE.

2:10:54DATA CENTERS DEVELOPMENT MUST

2:10:56BE RESPONSIBLE AND DELIVER

2:10:58TANGIBLE BENEFITS TO WORKERS

2:10:59AND HOST COMMUNITIES.

2:11:00THAT MEANS PRIORITIZING AND

2:11:01LABOR, CREATING GOOD JOBS AND

2:11:03APPRENTICESHIP OPPORTUNITIES,

2:11:05BRINGING NEW CLEAN ENERGY

2:11:06ONLINE TO MEET GROWING DEMAND

2:11:07AND ENSURE DEVELOPERS PAY THEIR

2:11:09FAIR SHARE OF ENERGY AND

2:11:11INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS.

2:11:12SO EXISTING RATEPAYERS ARE LEFT

2:11:14FOOTING THE BILL.

2:11:15WE APPLAUD GOVERNOR HALEY'S

2:11:16APPROACH TO RESPONSIBLE

2:11:17DEVELOPMENT AND LOCAL DECISION

2:11:18MAKING, GIVING COMMUNITIES

2:11:19MEANINGFUL VOICE AND SHAPING

2:11:22PROJECTS THAT AFFECT THEIR

2:11:22FUTURES.

2:11:23OUR MEMBERS BUILD AND MAINTAIN

2:11:24THIS INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE'RE

2:11:26HERE TO HELP RESIDENTS AND

2:11:28POLICYMAKERS UNDERSTAND WHY IT

2:11:29MATTERS.

2:11:29WHEN THE ISSUE AROSE, WE

2:11:31IMMEDIATELY HER CONCERNS ABOUT

2:11:32QUINN ABOUT HOW NEW POLICIES

2:11:34MIGHT AFFECT PROJECTS EXPANDING

2:11:36DATA STORAGE FOR WORLD CLASS

2:11:38MEDICAL INSTITUTIONS AND

2:11:39UNIVERSITIES.

2:11:40THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF HOW

2:11:42FAR REACHING THIS CONVERSATION

2:11:43IS.

2:11:44EVERYONE IN THIS CHAMBER RELIES

2:11:45ON DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND

2:11:47IRONICALLY IT ALLOWS MANY

2:11:49RESIDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN

2:11:51THESE PUBLIC UH, DISCUSSION

2:11:53VIRTUALLY.

2:11:54WE BELIEVE INFORMED PUBLIC

2:11:55DIALOG IS ESSENTIAL TO

2:11:56ENSURING.

2:11:56YOU KNOW, YOUR UM.

2:11:59THANK YOU.

2:12:00UM, I'LL I'LL AND END IT BY

2:12:02SAYING, UH, THANK YOU TO CITY

2:12:04COUNCIL CHAIR DURKAN AND UH,

2:12:05THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY

2:12:07TO BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION

2:12:08.

2:12:08I HAVE.

2:12:09SO MUCH TO TOUCH ON.

2:12:10OKAY.

2:12:11I DON'T SEE ANY MORE FOLKS FOR

2:12:13PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

2:12:14UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE

2:12:17DOWN THE HEARING.

2:12:18UM, THIS DOCKET ON DOCKET 1718

2:12:22IS ADJOURNED AND WILL REMAIN IN

2:12:24COMMITTEE.