2026-10-22 - Public Safety & Economy

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00:46Thursday, October 22, 2026.

00:49Call dCommittee public safety a

00:54Kahoapili to order. Welcome

00:55Brian Keaulana Kia'Aina.

00:57It Councilmembers Okimoto.

00:59Scott Nishimoto and Chair

01:00Waters.

01:01Councilmembers Kia'Aina.

01:02Councilmember Tupola is exc

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03:37of this meeting. Moving on to

03:38agenda item number 1.

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03:4353-2026 relating to shopping

03:45CARTs.

03:47I have a proposed posted CD1

03:48submitted by Council Chair

03:50Waters.

03:52O.

03:53C12026-0612.

03:56Amendments are listed on the

03:58agenda.

04:01We have distributed two

04:02proposed handwritten CD's, one

04:04submit by Council Chair Wat

04:05Waters.

04:06And identified OCS2026-0660.

04:11And other one submitted by

04:12myself.

04:13Identified as OCS2026-ing 06

04:170654.

04:18At this time I will Be rej

04:19rejoined my proposal

04:21handcarried CD1 for

04:22consideration.

04:23Now defer to Council chair

04:23Waters.

04:25For further explanation on the

04:26amendment.

04:27>>Councilmember Waters:

04:28thank you so much.

04:29Thank you for putting this on

04:30for a hear. It's a

04:31controversial measure.

04:33I think it's important for us

04:33to have the conversation.

04:35Appreciate your CD as well.

04:38Just to be clear, this bill

04:39addresses stolen and abandon

04:42Shar Tuiasoa.

04:43Often left In public space

04:45Shar Tuiasoa.

04:46Obstructing sidewalks,

04:46clogging streelings creating

04:48safety hazard.

04:49Streams requires clean err o

04:52owner clearly mark CART and

04:53prohighways moving CARTs from

04:54the owner a he is premises.

04:56Row proa hints. Does not c

04:59target kupuna who use personal

05:00shopping CART is not intend to

05:02criminalize houseless people.

05:05Band sholging epic s shopping

05:11$800 to replace.

05:12Off ever times cost passed on

05:13to residents through higher

05:14grocery prices.

05:17Shar mine and your CD's sh seek

05:25succession making it

05:27affirmative defense.

05:28Seeking to.

05:29Came from the prosecutor's

05:30office.

05:31Good idea making affirmative

05:32defense that the possessor of

05:36the shopping CART would have

05:38to affirmatively prove that

05:39they did not have permission

05:41to have the shopping CART

05:42outside of the commercial

05:44premises.

05:48Difference between yours and

05:49mine you lowered fine.

05:50Mine somely C some simply chang

05:54petty misdemeanor.

05:56Look forward to liesm

05:56discussion and testimony.

05:58Lively scawmtiond testimony.

06:10Looking forward lively

06:11disctestimony would you like to

06:13read the changes?

06:16>>Councilmember Waters: I

06:16can.

06:18>>Chair Tulba: handc

06:19handcarried.

06:19>>Councilmember Waters:

06:20yes.

06:20I think I'm required to do

06:21that.

06:24In section 2 of the bill, it

06:26Councilmember Pines proposed

06:28ROH section combines proposed

06:31ROH section 13 didn't 3A1 and

06:332 for clarity.

06:3513.1.

06:35References to the exposure for

06:36use of shopping CART to

06:38another person.

06:40Id as new s subsection C

06:43proposed new ROH section 13

06:4913-3.3, that it is affirmative

06:51teffs to prosecution on a

06:53proposed new chapter 13.

06:56Section 2 of the bill.

06:58Specifically proposed new ROH

06:59section 13-blank point 3C.

07:03Person possessed used or of

07:05offered for use identified

07:08shopping cart off the premises

07:09that the owner of the

07:12identified shopping cart owns

07:12or otherwise has legal

07:14interest in with the written

07:17authorization from the owner

07:18for persons authorized by the

07:20area of low pressure.

07:20It Doug Mayne proposed own.

07:22(-owner.

07:23Amends ROH section 13 by paid

07:26leaving provision relates to

07:27do monetary fine and period

07:32and certain clarification any

07:33person violating any provision

07:34of this CART article shall Be

07:37guilty of petty misdemeanor

07:39and deletes proposed ROH

07:42section 1 13.5 Roa Elliot to go

07:44severability.

07:46Relating to severability.

07:50Revised ordinance contains

07:52section revised ordinance of

07:53Honolulu.

07:542021.

07:54And makes miscellaneous

07:55technical and nonsubstantive

07:56amendments.

07:58>>Chair Tulba: th thank you

07:59chair.

08:00I would like to call up major

08:02Paul from the Honolulu Police

08:04Department.

08:11>>Testifier: major for

08:12Waikiki Honolulu Police

08:13Department.

08:14We are in 100% support of in

08:15bill.

08:16I want to reiterate that this

08:20is 1 un% go t 100% about theft

08:25Pacifiapossession property.

08:29Stolen.

08:30Retailer have to pay for these

08:31things and all of us have to

08:32ultimately costs are going to

08:34passed on to us consumers.

08:36Please think of that while you

08:38consider this bill.

08:40Want to say that we are 100%

08:41for this bill.

08:43>>Chair Tulba: members any

08:44questions?

08:45Councilmember Okimoto.

08:46>>Councilmember Okimoto:

08:47thank you chair.

08:47Really quick question.

08:49Trying to understand the

08:50enforcements it.

08:51How will this Be enforced

08:54which agree with the intent of

08:55it.

08:55Just trying to understand how

08:56is the Department going plan

08:58to enforce it?

08:59>>Testifier: how are we

09:01doing it now.

09:02>>Testifier: Currently, it's

09:03very difficult to enforce

09:05these infractions now.

09:06We have to Green prove that'

09:08shopping CART was actually

09:10stolen.

09:10That involves going to ret

09:12retailer, asking them do you

09:14have a representative to come

09:15out and identify the CART.

09:17This bill enables us do that

09:20enforcement right there on the

09:20spot.

09:23If you're possession of the

09:24CART, it's a violation.

09:26We can take action.

09:28>>Councilmember Okimoto:

09:29glad to hear that's going to

09:29help.

09:30That's intent.

09:31You guys know that it will

09:33definitely help with your end

09:34forment.

09:34>>Testifier: yes.

09:35hundred%.

09:36Enforcement.

09:37100% want to say retailers

09:39don't want the CARTs back

09:41because they're defaced, di

09:43dirty, they've been damaged.

09:46And so sometimes they don't

09:46come and pick them up.

09:48Or don't want them back.

09:50Really, I think if we have a

09:51very st strong bill like this,

09:53will prevent thefts in the

09:54first place and I think win,

09:56win for everybody.

09:58>>Councilmember Okimoto: o

09:58thank you.

10:00To your last statement, if

10:01they don't it Babc it back what

10:04happens to the CART.

10:05>>Testifier: if it's not

10:08legal to espre it possess Shar

10:12on public property.

10:13Shopping carts I my believe

10:16that will two down and people

10:19will distant incentivize take

10:20things from private property.

10:21Less shopping carts being t

10:24tannen and win-win for the

10:24retailers.

10:26Being take in.

10:28I can win.-being take in.

10:33Win-bin -win.

10:37Petty misdemeanor, what I'm

10:39suggesting that we make it a

10:39petty mod but misdemeanor if t

10:44shopping cart were worth 500

10:46or more.

10:47Theft in the second degree

10:48correct?

10:48>>Testifier: theft in the

10:49second drrg is $750. I

10:51believe.

10:52That's a C felony.

10:54Second degree.

10:55I think depends on the valve

10:57the CART brand new carted one

10:59of those cou CARTs lots of met .

11:03I suspect over $750.

11:06Lots of metal.

11:07Go get an appraisal for the

11:08CART.

11:09I don't know that for sure.

11:10But this is just educate the

11:12guess.

11:13But if it's over $750 in va

11:15value, it would be a C any a

11:18felony.

11:18>>Councilmember Waters:

11:19for everybody's information, C

11:23anyfelony punishable five years

11:27in jail and $10,000 fine.

11:28>>Testifier: I believe I

11:29think it's one to five years.

11:31IIf I'm not mistaken yes, much

11:33more, serious crime than

11:36misdemeanor.

11:37And a petty misdemeanor.

11:38>>Councilmember Waters:

11:39typically as you said, require

11:41the retailer to come down to

11:45the scene, fill out HPD 252

11:48form,.

11:48>>Testifier: yes.

11:50>>Councilmember Waters:

11:51add sign saying I will

11:54prosecuted.

11:55Which will then mean the

11:56retailer has to hire someone

11:58to go to that number one.

12:00Hire someone to go to court,

12:03and testify.

12:05And sometimes these cases get

12:07continued often and it's

12:08retailer which welcome back

12:11the witness, which would be

12:12the witness, would have to

12:14ccome to court Nu numerous

12:15occasions.

12:16>>Testifier: yes.

12:17Especially if the case is

12:17continued.

12:20>>Chair Tulba: especially

12:20if it's continued.

12:21Okay.

12:22>>Councilmember Waters:

12:23all of that expense.

12:23I guess I could ask the ret

12:25retailers, they just pass that

12:26tonight consumer probably.

12:28>>Testifier: that's my

12:29understanding.

12:29Yes.

12:30>>Councilmember Waters:

12:30okay. Thank you so much.

12:31>>Testifier: thank you.

12:33>>Chair Tulba: anyone e else

12:35with questions?

12:36Okay.

12:37Councilmember Okimoto.

12:37>>Councilmember Okimoto:

12:38thank you.

12:38Major trying to understand

12:39again.

12:41Trying to figure out physical

12:42part of this.

12:44Hope is to dedeer to deter it.

12:49Consumers won't have to Be p

12:50penpenalize dollars passing cos

12:52on to us.

12:53Foarps 789, these people

12:55enforcement people caught the

12:56CARTs possibly get, put into,

12:59get taken in and, put into

13:02jail?

13:02That's what's happening?

13:03>>Testifier: if 80s petty

13:06misdemeanor.

13:07Yes can be arrested for

13:08violation. Yes.

13:10>>Councilmember Okimoto:

13:10up to 30 days.

13:11>>Testifier: correct.

13:12>>Councilmember Okimoto:

13:13not to exceed 30 days.

13:14>>Testifier: correct.

13:15>>Councilmember Okimoto:

13:16financially, I'm Raya trying

13:17to figure out would very are,

13:19net profit or net loss if

13:21taxpayors paying for these

13:23people to put into jai jail fin

13:27are up to $2,000, CART is $500

13:29and business owner may not Be

13:31held responsible.

13:32I'm trying to figure out

13:33numbers how it adds up.

13:34>>Testifier: I think it will

13:35Be strong enough distant

13:37engine TIF for distant

13:39incentive people take the CA

13:40CARTs. Less CARTs a being t

13:43taken.

13:43That's my position.

13:44>>Councilmember Okimoto:

13:44thank you.

13:45>>Chair Tulba: now proceed

13:47wwith in-person in the council

13:49chamber.

13:50Clerk we have any registered

13:53testifiers on this item.

13:54>>Council Clerk: Chair,

13:55yes.

13:55We have a few standing by.

13:56>>Chair Tulba: okay.

13:58When I rural name please come

13:59up to the podium. Call your

14:00nameer state first and last

14:02name.

14:03So we have several David

14:06Lassner ERD mass man.

14:09I AN Chin, Bianca sake first

14:12three.

14:13>>Testifier: Chin is online.

14:24>>Testifier: lo r Oahu chair

14:25themes committee.

14:28Members Dave ERD man interim

14:31president and CEO retail

14:32merchants of I would. We

14:34support bill 53rd.

14:36With the clarifications in our

14:37written testimony.

14:39Shopping CARTs are private

14:40property.

14:42Purchased by retailers.

14:44For customers to use at their

14:45stores.

14:47When someone takes a CART,

14:48without permission, isn't that

14:50Luke taking somebody's

14:52personal property?

14:54It's no different in principle

14:55from taking merchandise

14:57without paying.

14:58These CARTs as was mentioned,

15:01cost from 250 some cases, over

15:04a thousand dollars.

15:06Which includes shipping,

15:07delivery, now tariffs and

15:08others.

15:10And depending on the volume

15:11much President.

15:12Not expensive. Recall ret

15:15retailers suffer financial

15:16loss in customers may have f

15:18fewer CARTs available at their

15:22favorite stores. Recognized

15:23public safety concerns and

15:26support practical prevention

15:27aand achievable solution was

15:29the bottom line is simple.

15:31Retailers want their CARTs to

15:34Be for the store and for their

15:35customers and they want their

15:36carts back. In good, working

15:38condition.

15:39Where they belong.

15:41At their Torres available for

15:43customer stores available for

15:44customer's use.

15:45Mahalo.

15:46Thank you very much for your

15:47time.

15:47>>Chair Tulba: Inouye

15:48questions for the testifier?

15:50>>Testifier: any questions?

15:51Thank you, sir.

15:52AUp next is Leah LIAM Chin is

15:57online.

15:58So Bianca ISAKE.

16:02Okay.

16:04Carry Ann SHIRODA okay.

16:08Going to go down the list.

16:12Kayelynn Bray.

16:16Heather Lusk.

16:20>>Council Clerk: Chair,

16:21online.

16:22>>Chair Tulba: take people

16:23in the chamber first.

16:24And go online.

16:26If you can, please step town

16:26the podium first and last na

16:29name.

16:29Step up to the podium.

16:31>>Testifier: everybody.

16:32John.

16:33Waikiki resident.

16:35Way p to bring up safety Ls of

16:38this not discussed talking

16:40about retail stuff here.

16:41Safety elements.

16:42This happened to me.

16:43I'm sure it's happened to

16:44other people.

16:46Walking down Kal call Kahue a

16:47Waikiki, Kalakaua last

16:49December, two guys, with sh

16:51shopping CARTs in the middle

16:51of the sidewalk filled with

16:53all kind of con trappings.

16:55One of the guys our most

16:57violent phonedder in Waianae

16:57Coast.

16:58Con transactions stick in the

17:00CART and swinging it like

17:01baseball what's intom dating

17:03fashion, but not anyone in

17:05particular.

17:06Intimidating.

17:06Bud which a p shotgun CART

17:08full of shopping CART spray

17:12can bull of budget spray fa

17:14faking tourists.

17:19Shooting people with budget

17:22spray.

17:23Will a tool, could have done

17:24it.

17:25FaFood waste Foodfast forward,

17:32Kekaulike, scream get F out of

17:34my way. One of my friender

17:35are.

17:36Who else would like talk like

17:37that.

17:38I turn around.

17:40Same gay with the budget sp

17:42spray, I'm going to same guy

17:43with the budget h budget spray

17:483 inching from rear en with a

17:50CART get out of my way.

17:52I'm back officer.

17:53Budget spray.

17:54What is the problem brother?

17:55Re takes us a stick Out of

17:57CART, and starts screaming at

17:59me and threatening me.

18:00This happened in front of

18:01police substation an that was

18:03police case.

18:05Then in February, I'm walking

18:06around the police substation.

18:08Same guy with the budget play,

18:10BUG spray, has the CART full

18:12of sail stuff, including stick

18:13yes went after he am with.

18:14Started chasing me around the

18:16police station like a three

18:17stodges s zool zoologicals arre

18:21him o for harass amounts.

18:23Found CICriChris dal meth on hi.

18:29CConvicted of a felony.

18:31Implications beyond what's

18:32been talking about.

18:34Crystal meth on him. Five

18:34minutes.

18:35Monday studied crime in Waikiki.

18:37Five months.

18:39The median en eur ince i e ince

18:43misdemeanor is two days.

18:45Actual outcome two days. Day

18:46you're arrested day to go to

18:47court.

18:4930 days sentence.

18:51Rarely happens.

18:51So that's look a big myth

18:53that's being you were a public

18:56finger you know what to do

18:57reality is.

18:57Never 30 days.

18:58Public defender.

18:59Odd of cop actually arresting

19:02somebody for this, very, very

19:03slim.

19:04Thank you.

19:05>>Chair Tulba: thank you

19:06any questions for the

19:06testifier?

19:07Okay.

19:08Anyone else wants to step up?

19:10If you guys are asking

19:11questions, please line up

19:14along the side.

19:15Thank you.

19:15Budget

19:21State your first and last na

19:23name, hello everyone.

19:24Thank you for the opportunity

19:25to testify.

19:27ISIS Osborne.

19:28Today I'm representing the

19:28Hawaii alliance for prog

19:30progressive action.

19:31We strongly oppose this bill.

19:33That seems to despite claims

19:37criminalize poverty.

19:38I understand public health

19:39ability public safety is

19:39concern.

19:41But to me, it seems that band

19:42CARTs are the issue, abandon

19:44CARTs are the issue, aest a

19:46aring or finding folks who

19:48don't have the means to afford

19:49the fine -- resting) and cause

19:52Ttaxpayor dollars locked up

19:55doesn't seem a solution.

19:56I don't understand why we

19:57aren't talking about r

19:59repreventative resources

20:00mental health benefit that is

20:00sort of thing I really don't

20:02see how this benefits anybody.

20:05Will also about the cost going

20:06up.

20:07Because the costs of shopping

20:07CARTs are going going pass ton

20:10consumers.

20:11Find difficult to believe this

20:12is a big contribute.

20:13To rising cost of food.

20:15There are lots of world events

20:16that we all know about that

20:17are coulden trilgting to that

20:18in my opinion.

20:19Contributing to that light

20:20more.

20:21Wondering if this kind of

20:22approach worked a anywhere he

20:24else. Have example of that

20:26improving the issue.

20:27Thank you so much.

20:28>>Chair Tulba: any

20:29questions for the testifier?

20:32Atlantic y thanthank you anyone

20:36testify?

20:38Shar T>>Testifier: good morning

20:49many here testifying in my own

20:50individual capacity.

20:5313 years ago, lawmaker

20:57legislator who thought it was

20:59a great idea to go around with

21:01sledge happen tore break some

21:02of these CARTs.

21:03Of course, it was in the news

21:05gained national attention.

21:0613 years later, that image is

21:08still in my mind.

21:10I can imagine that we with

21:12pass bill 53 also one of those

21:14things hang with us for I

21:16don't know how long.

21:18Some of those people that

21:19testified mentioned that

21:21Councilmembecost for business.

21:25Think of some of the CARTs

21:26that are around Iwilei, some

21:27of stores, coming from,

21:29practical, I'm thinking of

21:31people that I don't even w want

21:35to name the store, people

21:36returning items at this store,

21:39after at the use a couch four

21:41years, TV, Super Bowl, after

21:43rent out a tent, those are

21:44where the costs are really a

21:46are.

21:46I don't want to blame people

21:47taking CARTs.

21:49For driving up cost of my

21:52grocery bills.

21:53ThThose are something other

21:55previous testifier mention

21:56other costs to those that are

21:58involved.

21:58ProProPractical ethnic I don't

22:01we should be in the business

22:01of getting enforcing getting

22:03CARTs back.

22:04Businesses can do.

22:05Other ways to do it besides

22:06this which.

22:07Thank you for letting me

22:08testify against this bill.

22:09Thank you so much.

22:10>>Chair Tulba: any

22:11questions for the testifier?

22:13Councilmember Waters.

22:15We have a question for you.

22:16>>Councilmember Waters:

22:17sure.

22:18Surge.

22:20Appreciate you being here.

22:21I understand your argument.

22:24You would agree with me that

22:26there is a dollars lot of

22:26shopping carts out there, you

22:29just stro drive around outside

22:31shopping carts.

22:32Practically everywhere.

22:32Right?

22:33>>Testifier: yeah.

22:34I mean, yeah.

22:35Just two Iwilei and you'll see

22:37them everywhere.

22:38Go to Iwilei.

22:40>>Councilmember Waters:

22:40open to suggestions, how do we

22:44solve this problem?

22:49Homelessness, I get it.

22:51Something that we've been

22:52grappling entire time I've

22:54been on the Council.

22:56Actually put quite a bit of

22:57resources from the City side

22:59towards that.

23:00Just p shopping CART issue.

23:02How would we better d deal with

23:04that?

23:05>>Testifier: great question.

23:06I mean, some of the things I

23:07throw, out of the box, issue,

23:13just how individual don't have

23:14anything to store their stuff.

23:15Sometimes that's all they own.

23:17Whatever is in those ca c carts

23:20great some sort of programmer

23:21o many so sort of storage

23:22space where people could store

23:24their items for the day and

23:25come back to it.

23:26I mean those just thinking

23:28outside the box.

23:29That's one of the things, just

23:30people don't have a place to

23:31store their items, sometimes

23:33all they have a suitcase.

23:36There's just something about

23:37human dignity don't think this

23:38is the bill do it.

23:40>>Councilmember Waters:

23:41good point.

23:41I kind of like that idea.

23:42The respite in Iwilei, did

23:45they have a place where people

23:46customer their items?

23:49>>Testifier: I'm not sure on

23:49that question.

23:51>>Councilmember Waters:

23:52okay.

23:52Main we could include that.

23:53Other respite that we want to

23:55bbuild.

23:57Include that idea.

23:58So thank you.

23:59>>Testifier: thank you very

23:59much for the question.

24:02>>Councilmember Waters:

24:02thank you chair.

24:03>>Chair Tulba: you're

24:03welcome.

24:04Anyone else would like to

24:05testify?

24:06Nisei step town the podium.

24:08Please step up to the podium.

24:10First add last name.

24:12and last name,

24:13good afternoon.

24:14Tim Gary.

24:19It is election assist se season

24:23election ISIS own powers that

24:24be have told us that, number

24:26one issue in Hawaii is

24:29affordability.

24:30Election assist south season, t

24:33being said, I read the

24:35testimony of the people that

24:37are against this ordinance.

24:40Election season a lot of m

24:42misinformation.

24:43They seem to have printed one

24:45page and submitted same page

24:50but 35 different people.

24:52There's a lot of m

24:54misinformation in there.

24:56First of all, as John stated,

25:00the people that can't taxpayor

25:01to pay fines, never pay fines.

25:07People at that go to jail, for

25:09pets I misdemeanor, petty

25:11misdemeanor, at the most serve

25:122 days.

25:14El unless it's a Friday.

25:15Then they're in there for the

25:16weekend.

25:20Misinformation of testimony I

25:22homeless, industrial complex,

25:25is only virtue signaling.

25:27If they wanted to have a

25:29qucure for people that are push

25:32shopping CARTs around, would

25:34all the millions of dollars

25:36that have been a proo proochtde

25:39homeless, maybe appropriated

25:40to the homeless maybe they

25:41could buy them a wagon.

25:44A little red wagon.

25:46I was 40 year g grossry Vern.

25:51Grocery veteran in Los Ang

25:53Angeles.

25:54Very tight community.

25:55We used to have the problem of

25:59kupuna taking the shopping

26:00CARTs back to their apartment

26:02buildings.

26:05We calm up with a coll solution

26:06sold them granny CARTs, at

26:09cost.

26:11Came up with a solution of

26:11back then it wasn't have very

26:13much.

26:13Fifteen dollars.

26:14Today probably Tuias twice I of

26:21compromise to the people that

26:24that say $2,000 fine is success.

26:27Let's make the fine 20 sodaen

26:30Kas.

26:31And a possibility of community

26:33service.

26:33Soda cans, maybe picking up

26:35trash.

26:36>>Chair Waters: would

26:36alleviate your concerns of

26:39picking on the homeless.

26:42Objective of this bill is to

26:45get shopping CARTs off of our

26:47streets sidewalks, ext extreme

26:52extreme streams that's the obje.

26:53Right?

26:55Streams, SafewaY puts locks on

27:00their wheels.

27:01And they have a perimeter

27:03around the store.

27:05The homeless just take off the

27:07locking we'll.

27:08And they push it around on

27:10three wheels.

27:12So it's not like the retailers

27:15haven't tried to provide a

27:16solution to their property

27:18being stolen.

27:20>>Chair Tulba: wrap up

27:21your testimony.

27:22Thank you.

27:23>>Testifier: these costs are

27:24all passed on to you and me

27:26every time we two shopping.

27:28Just like shoplifting that

27:30occurs, in almost every one of

27:32our retailers.

27:36Super-markets are no ensured

27:37for this.

27:39The cost provided and passed

27:42on to every single one of us.

27:45Ace kupuna, I can't afford

27:48this any more.

27:50My Medicare advantage doubled

27:51in price.

27:55My homeowners insurance for

27:57hurricane insurance went up 2

27:5925% from last year.

28:03We need to take practical

28:05solutions so I can stay in

28:07Hawaii.

28:07And not have to move to

28:09Indiana.

28:11Thank you.

28:12>>Chair Tulba: any

28:12questions for the testifier?

28:14Okay.

28:14Is there anybody else wants to

28:17testify until the Council

28:18chamber?

28:21Okay clerk move on to remote

28:23testimony.

28:27Any registered testifiers on

28:27that item?

28:28>>Council Clerk: Chair,

28:29yes.

28:29We have few standing by.

28:31>>Chair Tulba: okay.

28:34LIAM Chin.

28:40>>Testifier: great.

28:40Thank you chair.

28:41And member public safety

28:42committee.

28:44Public will safety

28:44professional.

28:46Work in the field for 25 ye

28:47years.

28:48I like to just sort out some

28:49facts and not prefer to

28:52research and things like that.

28:54So number one, strong

28:56opposition to this bill.

28:59Find finding homeless person

29:00$2,000, jail I willing him up

29:02to 30 days shopping CART will

29:04not address reason person has

29:05the CART in the first place.

29:07Jailing him, jail is not a

29:08solution.

29:10It costs $3,507 a day to --

29:14seven dollars day incarcerate

29:15someone here in Hawaii in ja

29:17jail. Due the multiplier

29:19effect how long that person

29:20ssstay in jail $307 a day.

29:22Imagine, what money can do for

29:24a person with a CART we spent

29:27it on providing services or

29:28even providing them their own

29:30wagon.

29:32Could according to Department

29:34of Corrections, right now,

29:36minimum of 37% of all people

29:38in jail in Hawaii are home

29:40homeless.

29:40We're spending millions of ten

29:42of millions dollars not

29:43addressing the root cause.

29:46Block sidewalks and CARTs are

29:47problems most effectively

29:48solved with retailer

29:50accountability. Looking at

29:51cities like Phoenix, Issaquah

29:54Washington, pure retailer

29:55accountability, framework,

29:57they been immensely succe

30:00successful.

30:00Issaquah, they saw 90%

30:04reduction in lost shopping

30:05CARTs afterel ensuring ret

30:08retailers lock their CARTs and

30:10just contain them through

30:12various creative ways as well

30:14as to go out and recover the

30:17CARTs.

30:18Storage is also key.

30:19Storage for houseless people.

30:21Could go a lot further.

30:23Ultimately, housing.

30:24If we want to be efficient

30:24with public tax dollars here,

30:26there's kind of feel good bill

30:28that I call is sort of you

30:31bottom shelf solution much

30:32doesn't work.

30:33You actually end up spending

30:34more money.

30:35Doesn't it solve the problem.

30:36Let's actually go back to the

30:38table here, let's scrap this

30:39bill.

30:41Not I don't w believe that this

30:42bill has any legitimate r

30:44research behind it.

30:45To prove that this is going to

30:47be deterrent.

30:48People have not nothing to lose

30:50live on the street, you can

30:51stack fines for years and days

30:54and watch them go in and out

30:55of jail.

30:56Ten times a year.

30:58It iser absolutely does not

31:00act as a deterrent for I am

31:03impoverished population

31:05desperate and looking

31:05fireplace to store their item

31:06you.

31:07Again, did definitely against

31:08it.

31:09Look at what other

31:10municipalities have done have

31:11worked and do the math here.

31:13On the cost.

31:14Appreciate your time.

31:16>>Chair Tulba: any

31:16questions?

31:17For the testifier?

31:20Thank you sir.

31:21Moving on to Heather L Lusk.

31:28>>Testifier: thank you so

31:29much.

31:30Chair.

31:31Members committee.

31:33I'm a license clinical social

31:35worker executive director of

31:36the Hawaii health and harm

31:37reduction center.

31:38We have worked with

31:39communities impact by ho

31:40houselessness for over ho

31:42years why I very much under

31:43intern of this bill.

31:4540 years r, research shows,

31:47that criminalizing those that

31:48steal the cars is not the most

31:50effective w way to stop the C

31:51CARTs steeling stay stealing

31:54some concern about stealing

31:56aunty theft technology s such

31:58as, locking wheels, or coin

32:00deposits research shows that

32:02is much more effective way, of

32:04getting at the true issue he

32:05hear.

32:06My understanding to some stop

32:08theft of the CARTs.

32:09Our concerns about this bill,

32:11agency that works very

32:13actively to work to house

32:14people, experiencing

32:15homelessness, is that

32:17misdemeanors or felonies,

32:19associated with this, make it

32:21so much harder for to us house

32:22people.

32:23We do have the community o

32:24outreach part, very grateful

32:26for does take south so out some

32:29of these case.

32:30S challenge to find housing or

32:33people have records.

32:34As part of their experience.

32:37I do want to highlight storage

32:39very important issue.

32:40Not just for having items to

32:43that people don't take it.

32:45But we find it hard to get

32:46people that are experiencing

32:47homelessness to get doctors

32:49appointments, or even get to

32:50showing of Councilmember

32:51Tupola us because they're

32:51afraid to leave their items

32:53that might Be stolen.

32:54Everything that they have in

32:55there possession.

32:58El showing speaker.

32:59Strongly encourage you to go

33:00back and look at research

33:02around these piece to say what

33:03is the most effective way, we

33:05do understand that we don't

33:06want to support thefts of CA

33:08CARTs sidewalk obstructions

33:09and other issues that have

33:10brought up are valid.

33:12We want to support our

33:13business community.

33:14However, the research does not

33:16support by criminalizing

33:17people that are really

33:18struggling to multitude of

33:19issues and we want to house

33:20them.

33:21We need to work towards bu

33:22building affordable housing,

33:23and not give more barriers

33:25such as these criminal cases

33:27that will make it even harder

33:28for us to house people.

33:29We believe that this will

33:30actually cost community money

33:32and more effective ways to get

33:34at the root issue.

33:34Thank you f for the opportunity

33:35to testify.

33:36>>Chair Tulba: thank you.

33:37Any questions for the

33:38testifier?

33:40Thank you.

33:41Moving on to Lauren dim ZERBA.

33:52>>Council Clerk: Chair,

33:53online.

33:54>>Chair Tulba: Amanda

33:55Americaa Amanda Fernandez.

34:00>>Testifier: good afternoon.

34:03On behalf of ACLU of Hawaii.

34:06We're nonprofit organization

34:06that seeks to defend rights

34:08guaranteed to us by the State

34:10Federal Constitution.

34:11We strongly oppose bill 53rd,

34:14tactually the strict liability

34:18with criminal penalties.

34:20Haven't heard anybody talk

34:21about so far today.

34:23We impose up to $2,000.30 days

34:25in jail, slightly less qu

34:28queening on the CD1 draft.

34:30Depending on no intent to

34:31requirement.

34:31Doesn't require that are

34:32someone end id to break the

34:34law.

34:34Intended.

34:36Huge problem for number of

34:36reasons.

34:38It practice clay I will

34:39elderly resident kupuna could

34:40find a CART and Be using it to

34:42help them get around.

34:44Treats under this law somebody

34:46would actively stole it.

34:49It's comparable law such as

34:50California, and other places,

34:51that have tried to do this, I

34:54only seen those laws within

34:56intent requirement, init ents

34:57to deprive owner of that

34:58property.

34:59Intent) the legal concerns

35:02involved Constitutional

35:02concerns of dispropor

35:04disproportionality, prosecutor

35:05own raise, in their own, fair

35:08notice premises boundaries are

35:10really unclear.

35:11For example, if I have a

35:12shopping cart, in target at

35:14Ala Moana, and I push it over

35:16to my car that is park by

35:18Mazies I as a cop super don't

35:20really know where the con up

35:21zooer don't where the legal

35:22interest of proper for target

35:24ends and where Mazies begins.

35:27This say huge problem ways

35:28drafted.

35:30Macy's, also, in conflict,

35:33contradictory to Hawaii Penal

35:34Code.

35:34Veefs absolutely liability for

35:35violations level offense.

35:38Reserves r and strict

35:39lightening e'o liability for

35:39criminals snrenses is

35:41generally distant favored in

35:42American criminal law.

35:45Offense except for very low

35:45level, minor traffic

35:48infractions.

35:48So this is a actually

35:51Constitutional flaw with the

35:52law.

35:53Others have spoken to the

35:54disproportionate harm that

35:56being done when we criminalize

35:57poverty.

35:59WWe talk about the nine dollars

36:02to incarcerate somebody under

36:03this bill, that is just the

36:05cost of incarceration.

36:06Not even talking about enf

36:07enforcement.

36:0923409 talking about the police

36:10time goes timeout talk about

36:12how disproportionate that is,

36:13if we're spending 9,000 on

36:16incarceration alone, per CART,

36:18just for one violation,

36:21Phoenix when they did this,

36:22they were citing spending

36:24about $7.50 per CART to clean

36:26up.

36:27And return them to the ret

36:28retailers.

36:29Really throwing thousands of

36:32dollars at an solution that

36:33doesn't really warrant that

36:36much money to figure it out.

36:39Alternatives that I pu put

36:40together, appreciate your

36:41patience, are again, with the

36:42rock locker providing public

36:45lockers helpful and idea that

36:48you could create some sort of

36:50assistance program to ret

36:51retailers to help subsidize

36:52the cost of these types of

36:54automated look systems for

36:56their carts.

36:57A Bunch you have different

37:00different ways technology now.

37:01Reached out to one manuf

37:03manufactures of these to get

37:04pricing.

37:05So follow up if they get back

37:06to me.

37:07We oppose this bill.

37:08Thank you.

37:09>>Chair Tulba: thank you.

37:09Questions for the testifier?

37:15Thank you umplet anyone else

37:16online.

37:16>>Council Clerk: Chair,

37:17there are no problem.

37:19Members, there are none.

37:21In discussion.

37:24Councilmember Waters.

37:25>>Councilmember Waters:

37:25thank you.

37:26I really appreciate the

37:27dialogue here and I've been

37:29grappling with this issue for

37:31a few years now.

37:35I wanted to point out that

37:35steststealing shopping cart is

37:40already a crime.

37:42It's a crime when you steal

37:43someone else's property.

37:45This is some someone else's

37:46property rt already a crime.

37:48Possibly a felony.

37:51Punish being by five years in

37:52jail. In fact of the matter

37:57is crystal meth nail law,

37:58never going to happen.

37:59-- criminal law.

38:00Never going to happen even as

38:01a petty misdemeanor, I can't

38:03see people going to jail for

38:04this.

38:05Sear Sear seriously p practiced

38:1030 years.

38:10Base id on my, experience, and

38:13reason and common sense, pu

38:15pulled this statistics for

38:18petty misdemeanor, I don't

38:19have it with me.

38:20LeLeft it in my office.

38:22It's very, very, very rare as

38:25John says, people go to jail

38:28for petty misdemeanor.

38:32SSo to that's the main paint

38:33e'o point wanted to make.

38:35Main point.

38:37People aren't KGMB t going to b

38:42punished fullest extent of the

38:44law.

38:44Er tool gives police ability

38:45to say, excuse me, ma'am or

38:48sir, you can't have this.

38:53We We need to confiscate at a i

38:56take it.

38:56I appreciate what Serg was

38:57saying.

38:58Perhaps city can also look

39:00into providing storage space

39:01for people.

39:03Because he's right.

39:05Sometimes that's all people

39:06hhave is these CARTs.

39:08And you can see these plastic

39:10bags that are hooked to the

39:11CART with their all of their

39:14worldly possession.

39:16So whether we take the when we

39:18take the CART you're takeaway

39:20that as well.

39:21Not my intent.

39:24But they're everywhere.

39:27They literally are everywhere.

39:29I did a drive along with think

39:32he's retired now, corporal Ka

39:34DUI. Had me count amount of

39:36CARTs that I saw within a

39:3910-minute period.

39:40CADOY, of course he was

39:42driving me we get plenty.

39:45Just now that I'm MAA to it

39:47and paying attention, they

39:49literally are everywhere and

39:50we're ificialg them out of stre

39:53out of Ala Wai canal.

39:54Fishing them out of the str

39:55streams.

39:57Just on the way to work.

39:59One on the side of the Friday.

40:00I don't know how to got there.

40:02JC trying to figure out how we

40:03can solve the problem.

40:04And one of the ways is to give

40:07the police the tools to Be

40:09able to get these off the

40:10streets.

40:11And goal really is that some

40:13point.

40:14They would you will a Be off

40:15the street.

40:17And all Be officer the street

40:17and only Be used on the off

40:19the street, use on the

40:21premises of the retailer.

40:32One more point but I'll think

40:33I'll leave it at that.

40:35Idea really is to try to solve

40:39this problem and by the way,

40:40okay with your draft if that's

40:42what it takes, to get this

40:43thing passed, I'm okay with

40:45your draft.

40:46Thank you.

40:47>>Chair Tulba: members?

40:52We're in discussion.

40:56Councilmember Kia'aina.

40:57>>Councilmember Kia'aina:

40:57thank you chair.

40:59You haven't made your

41:00recommendation yet.

41:01Right?

41:02I just need to I guess say

41:07that I share the concerns over

41:09many who have testified.

41:11I think we all know what the

41:13objective is, but this is not

41:14the way to do it.

41:17Because of the end of the day,

41:19even if you take out the

41:20criminal penalties, most of

41:22the people are stealing CARTs

41:26they would say they're not

41:27stealing the carts.

41:28They need to move their items

41:30around so they're borrowing i

41:32it.

41:33And so own with een with that

41:37I don't feel it's dealing with

41:39the actual -- even with that,

41:40issue at hand.

41:41So I understand the concerns

41:44of the property owners, but

41:50need to figure out alternative

41:50mechanism.

41:52At the end of the day, where

41:54are all of us in ensuring that

41:58the State hopes in the

42:00providing of the necessary bed

42:03space for those who are men

42:05mentally challenged or who

42:06addicted, who are homeless, we

42:09just had a public safety town

42:12hall last night.

42:13And the department of

42:14emergency services made clear

42:16that that is one of challenges

42:18so they c can a you ever servic

42:20but no one to take them.

42:21They can offer the service.

42:22Not just about shopping CARTs.

42:25This is about how we can

42:29address very serious issue in

42:30human fashion.

42:32And recall there's a lot of

42:33moving parties.

42:34Humane fashion.

42:36I want to say that moving

42:36Parts.

42:36Dmoit the solution but I know

42:38that this is not the solution.

42:39I don't know the solution.

42:41And so I would Be opposed the

42:44measure moving forward.

42:46>>Chair Tulba: okay.

42:46Anyone else.

42:48>> Keahumoa.

42:50OCouncilmember Okimoto.

42:50>>Councilmember Okimoto: o

42:51quick question for HPD.

42:52Being looking at the two dr

42:53drafts.

42:54Carry you had brought yours

42:56and Chair Waters, saying that

43:00okay.

43:01HPD, major, look at the two

43:03drafts, do you have a

43:05preference didn't have a

43:06preference, one.

43:07>>Testifier: I have

43:08apologize.

43:09Did I not look at the

43:11Councilmember Tulba's draft.

43:12>>Councilmember Okimoto:

43:12main thing is was lessening of

43:14the consequences.

43:17Thousand dollars versus 22,

43:2122,000.

43:22I think-2,000.

43:26>>Testifier: still petty

43:27misdemeanor?

43:28>>Councilmember Okimoto:

43:29not a petty misdemeanor.

43:32>>Testifier: we wanted to be

43:34some sort of sufficient

43:35distant incentive to take

43:36these cars.

43:39Distant incentive.

43:39If that exists see less sto

43:42stolen.

43:43Distant incentive.

43:43>>Councilmember Okim

43:44Okimoto:ing okay thank you.

43:49>>Councilmember Waters:

43:49real quick.

43:50Officer, major, one questions

43:52I just asked you ofortd rec

43:53record, as a petty misde

43:55misdemeanor, you don't have to

43:56rears.

43:56You can cite.

43:56>>Testifier: that's correct.

43:58Arrest, we can issue citation

44:01for petty misdemeanor.

44:01>>Councilmember Weyer:

44:02thank you.

44:05>>Chair Tulba: guys, I'm

44:08hoping to move this out

44:11committee today.

44:12So we can continue to refine

44:13the measure.

44:14And consider the concerns

44:15raised.

44:18So the chair recommend that is

44:19bill 53, 2026, Be amended to

44:21handcarried CD1 identified as

44:23OCS2026-0660.

44:29I know with objection of

44:31Councilmember Tupola, sorry

44:33Councilmember Kia'aina, we

44:34need to a roll call vote.

44:37Okay.

44:40Vice chair Kia'Aina?

44:42>>Councilmember Kia'aina:

44:43no.

44:43>>Chair Tulba:

44:44Councilmember Okimoto.

44:45Okay AI.

44:46>>Chaaye.>>Vice Chair Nishimoto:

44:50(No response).

44:51>>Chair Tulba:

44:52>>Councilmember Waters:

44:53sorry.

44:55Chair votes AI.

44:56SorE'o aye recommends bill 53 C

45:00reported out pac passage second

45:03reading and second reading and

45:06scheduling of public hearing.

45:08With objection of

45:10Councilmember Kia'aina, right?

45:11Have to do roll call vote.

45:14So Councilmember Kia'Aina.

45:16>>Councilmember Kia'aina:

45:17no.

45:20>>Councilmember Okimoto:

45:21aye.

45:23>>Vice Chair Nishimoto:

45:23(No response).

45:24>>Chair Tulba: and I vote

45:25AI.

45:28Three ayes.

45:31And one i anyway.

45:34One no.

45:35Motion carries.

45:36Moves fore.

45:37One NAY, moves forward.

45:42On to agenda item number 2.

45:42Arer resolution 26-213.

45:46Resolution confirms r

45:48reappointment of Richard Kebo

45:50to serve on the Ocean Safety

45:52commission of the City &

45:52County of Honolulu.

45:54For term to expire June 30,

45:582031.

45:59And doctor Richard Kebo.

46:07>>Testifier: aloha members

46:08City & County.

46:09Just here for the opportunity

46:11to continue serving and tint

46:12good work that we already bun

46:14gurch.

46:15AOC forward to already begun.

46:17Look forward to moving forward

46:18in the process.

46:19Mahalo.

46:20>>Chair Tulba: any

46:20questions for the testifier?

46:25, okay.

46:28Can you say your name for the

46:29record, please Ki Richard Kebo.

46:33>>Chair Tulba: we'll move

46:35on to in person too many

46:36testimony council chamber.

46:38Clerk any registered

46:39testifiers on this item?

46:41>>Council Clerk: Chair,

46:42we have one S standing by.

46:45>>Chair Tulba: go ahead.

46:45>>Testifier: Tim Gary.

46:48I support Richard for this

46:49position.

46:52As one of the, I only people on

46:56the whole island that shows up

46:59for Ocean Safety liquor

47:04for Ocean Safety comm commit

47:07meetings for the last nine

47:08months.

47:09I support Richard.

47:12In extending his commission

47:14position.

47:17Magma some progress.

47:19He always listens.

47:21And hopefully the future, he

47:26can make Ocean Safety a better

47:27Department.

47:27Thank you.

47:28>>Chair Tulba: any

47:28questions for the testifier?

47:30Okay.

47:31Anybody else in the Council

47:32chamber?

47:33>>Council Clerk: Chair,

47:34there are none.

47:34>>Chair Tulba: mover o ton

47:35remote testimony.

47:39Move on it remote testimony.

47:40OOnline.

47:41>>Council Clerk: Chair,

47:42there are none.

47:42>>Chair Tulba: we're in

47:43discussion.

47:45Okay.

47:45Chair recommends that

47:47resolution 26-213 Be reported

47:49out for adoption.

47:50Any discussion?

47:52Any objections?

47:53Any reservations?

47:54Hearing none so ordered.

47:57Moving on to agenda item

47:59number 3.

48:01Resolution 26-229, thrl

48:04resolution acceptance of a

48:05gift to the City of $3,141.82

48:10from miss Sa Glen and Sandra

48:13Moribe, success trustee of Kim

48:20Donald KM and Amy L. Chong.

48:21Remainder aunty trust UA da

48:24thed 1/8/1999 Honolulu Paris

48:27department specialized service

48:28division, canine unit and

48:32Honolulu Police Department

48:34major hunter ALU.

48:39Police Department.

48:40>> olelo representing Honolulu

48:42Police Department.

48:45Rigs resolution 26-229 acc

48:47accepting gift 3,041.82

48:51towards SSD canine unit.

48:53Want to express my sincere

48:54appreciate yag to successor

48:57trustee

48:57police-officer-involved

48:57shootings generous

48:58contribution.

49:00And

49:05Trustee Glen and Sandra Mor

49:07Moribe.

49:08>>Chair Tulba: they

49:08questions?

49:10In-person testimony in the

49:11Council champ chamber.

49:13>>Council Clerk: Chair,

49:14there are none.

49:14>>Chair Tulba: what about

49:14online?

49:15>>Council Clerk: Chair,

49:15there are none.

49:16>>Chair Tulba: members

49:16we're in discussion.

49:19Okay.

49:20Chair recommends that

49:21resolution 26-229 Be reported

49:23out for adoption.

49:24Any discussion?

49:25Any objections?

49:28In rid. Hearing none. Sor

49:32Sorted.

49:32Hearing none so ordered.

49:33Agenda item number 4.

49:34Information an briefing.

49:35Update, on the department of

49:38Emergency Management resource

49:39and staffing plan.

49:41Members joining us in the

49:42Council chamber we have

49:43director Randall Collins, of

49:45the department of Emergency

49:46Management.

49:47To give brief presentation for

49:49your information, and

49:50presentation is available

49:51online as departmental im

49:53communication 664-2026.

49:57And doctor Collins.

49:59Take it away.

50:00>>Testifier: aloha Council.

50:01Thank you for the opportunity

50:02to give you update on our

50:03resreorganization effort.

50:05As you all know, we received

50:0713 new positions with this new

50:10National Weather Service

50:13Newcombe ynew New Year's Budget.

50:17We have established the

50:18position descriptions.

50:19Don't know why it's not moving.

50:24National WeaSo this is the orga

50:27CHART that we are moving

50:29towards.

50:31With the six different sec

50:32sections within DEM.

50:34And then this isn't liking me

50:37today.

50:40New YNational weaAnd within the

50:54different sections we have a

50:55new training and exercise

50:57officer.

50:57Risk and reduction mitigation

50:59officer, preparedness special

51:00e'o, within our plans and

51:02operations section, include

51:04infrastructure planning

51:05officer,er mass care and human

51:07services planning officer,

51:08emergency planning officer and

51:10operations planning speci

51:12specialist.

51:12And then within logistics,

51:14we're adding logistics officer

51:15and IT specialist.

51:17We're adding new community

51:19partnership and programs

51:20section.

51:20Which will include supervisor,

51:24community preparedness pro

51:24programs officer, and then

51:26also moving a position or

51:28volunteer coordinator position

51:29over there and then number

51:31pick Police Commission

51:32information adding public

51:33information specialist and in

51:35administration, to support all

51:36these additional positions and

51:38new personnel clerk.

51:43And with that, we this is

51:46little CHART of progress we

51:46have to make.

51:48We have to value developed the

51:50positions and then we submit

51:52them to DHR done a cursery

51:54review and had some back and

51:56forth with them.

51:57But they is supported it.

51:58It's moved on to cursory

52:01review at BFS.

52:03I received information this

52:04morning.

52:04That it was approved and we

52:06are moving into the phase

52:07where we can consult the union

52:09and we will Be putting

52:12together that document and

52:13sending that off for the union

52:16consult.

52:17In which case come back and

52:18can Be find iden identifies

52:20finalized by DHR one we get

52:21that final, approval, we'll

52:24move into actually posting

52:25those positions and getting

52:27them filmed filled you ha

52:31have-them filled.

52:31Through recruitment and f hirin

52:33process, in the GANT CHART.

52:35With that, that concludes my

52:36update as to where we're at.

52:39Happy to answer any questions

52:40that you might have.

52:43>>Chair Tulba:

52:43Councilmember Kia'aina.

52:44>>Councilmember Kia'aina:

52:44that you for that can I ask

52:46due enjoy your job do you

52:49enjoy your job do you have

52:51ppassion for being director of

52:54emergency management?

52:56Do you?

52:57>>Testifier: absolutely.

52:57Love my job.

52:59>>Councilmember Kia'aina:

53:00I feel thfts a mechanical

53:00check off the box this was a,

53:03update the.

53:05Right?

53:08>>Testifier: I'm sorry about

53:09that.

53:09Councilmember.

53:09I'm just --

53:10>>Councilmember Kia'aina:

53:10you put up this and sea us

53:13Jesus say what function an

53:14areas and time frame and

53:15that's it.

53:16And Justin sa just say, you're

53:19welcome for the 13 positionser

53:21City Council passed for the

53:23fiscal '27 Budget.

53:24You're welcome.

53:26Nearly doubling your staff.

53:28Right?

53:30From 15 in the Kona low, where

53:31we needed you guys, to 28.

53:35So all I'm just saying is why

53:37don't you care, don't show any

53:39passionate all.

53:41Like why don't you talk about

53:42us big pictures.

53:44What are the problems that you

53:46face, with just 15 staff, pa

53:50are the strengths and w weak

53:53he's weakness of the

53:55department and what is is this

53:5713 positions going to do to

53:59help you strengthen that. And

54:00moving forward.

54:02What are you looking at the in

54:04in in the future?

54:05I just don't, feel like you

54:06don't care.

54:09If you do, you have a poor way

54:10of showing it.

54:12So tell me p I a little bit ho

54:16are you doing and what are all

54:18of these, just told me.

54:22Functional areas.

54:24Explain to us.

54:27Because otherwise, I know want

54:28to increase your staff.

54:29It's hard to increase your

54:31staff any further.

54:32If you don't appreciate what

54:34just happened in the Budget.

54:36And explain to us what is the

54:38state of affairs of your

54:39Department and where we're

54:40going moving forward.

54:43>>Testifier: okay.

54:44Councilmember, I apologize any

54:46misunderstood the assign.

54:47My understanding that we wa

54:49wanted to briefing on the

54:50process, of where we're at

54:51with the reorganization.

54:53And so just trying to gi given

54:55you down and dirty

54:55understanding of where we're

54:56at.

54:57In the particular process of

54:58bringing on those 13 other

55:00members.

55:01Certainly love my job ma'am

55:03and really nowhere else I

55:06would rather Be.

55:07That being said, I would tell

55:09you that this organizational

55:11structure that we're putting

55:12together, we're trying to get

55:14through the bureaucratic

55:16process is important to us

55:16because it will fill in a lot

55:18of gaps and start to manage a

55:20lot of the risk that we're

55:20taking on or have already ha

55:22have.

55:22Basically.

55:23That we haven't been covering a

55:26lowly he whole lot more

55:27capable.

55:30Training officer allows to you

55:31split our focus and our

55:33training, current training

55:34exercise officer focus on

55:35training.

55:36Our exercise, new person will

55:38focus on exercises t that will

55:40give us whole lot more

55:41exercise in terms of we can do

55:43tabletops, and functional

55:44exercises on a more consistent

55:47and routine basis as well as

55:50develop engage more stake teal

55:51holders with that example

55:52sites process.

55:53Edghill gauge more

55:53stakeholders rights be risk

55:55reduction mitigation officer

55:57focus of that position is to,

55:59really prevent or lessen the

56:01effects of disaster.

56:02Looking at our local hazard

56:04mitigation plan, and projects

56:07that outlined there, as well

56:08as any new projects that may

56:09come up, looking at various

56:11funding opportunities, that

56:13might Be available to us, so

56:14that we can do those

56:15particular projects and then

56:19with those projects, we'll

56:21reduce the risk of the

56:22particular hazards based on

56:24whatever that project is.

56:25We currently have nobody to do

56:26that right now. So that's

56:28another piece of it.

56:30Preparedness specialist really

56:31overall, helps all of the

56:33staff members within that

56:35preparedness session, with all

56:36the different projects t that

56:38will Be additional training

56:39that we're now going to be

56:40able to do, additional

56:41exercises that require whole

56:43lot of logics lodge its Texas

56:45supporlogistics nndzer plannin

56:51for those activities.

56:52Observation section.

56:53Key for us we're that is our

56:55basically catalyst in terms of

56:57how we operate and so that

56:59when we activate our emergency

57:00operations assist senior

57:00legacy Enter that gives meteor

57:02staff duty office, more people

57:04more staff duty office more

57:07people Helm out among e'o

57:09emergency operations center.

57:11Different positions did you

57:12everred covered down on.

57:1424-7.

57:14Emergency center acti activatio.

57:17During blue sky dies d days.

57:23In process of doing, fina

57:25finalizing our continuity of

57:27operations plan.

57:27But alsoer initiating up ate u

57:32update comprehensive emergency

57:33manaplanning management plan.

57:35Have different emergency

57:35support function and access.

57:38Need a lot of different pl

57:39planning meetings that go into

57:41that, as well as different

57:44hazarder we want to take a

57:45look at update all of these

57:47lesson learned that we could

57:48the gotten over past six to

57:50nine months.

57:52These positions and planning

57:53operations section are key to

57:55enabling us to sustain our

57:57ability to within the

57:58emergency operations center

58:00and expand our planning

58:03function and our staff duty

58:05officer function. Logistics

58:07makes the world go around

58:08especially during disasters

58:09need to make sure we move

58:10commodities items and get

58:12resources to the places that

58:14they need. And keep them

58:16outfitted with everything that

58:17they need.

58:18From everything from gas, oil,

58:23supplies, PBE, everything else

58:25that goes along to dis disaste

58:28respresponse.

58:29Didn't have a lodge iks

58:29particulars section before.

58:30Breaking that that.

58:31Ground space.

58:31LodgeLogistics going to give us

58:36huge multiplier to the way r

58:37resp and trespond is to disaste.

58:43We need to get down not

58:44neighborhoods and so community

58:45partnerships side of the house

58:47is that first initial effort.

58:49For really start working with

58:51the community organizations

58:52and bringing them closer

58:53together.

58:54As well as working directly

58:56with the Neighborhood and

58:58leadership Neighborhood and

58:59leadership that we have out

59:00there different recall CERT

59:03teams going on doing it's

59:04training.

59:05That want are try dying for

59:07more information or now had he

59:09can better prepare and Be

59:11resource to their own die kupun

59:14LA'IE yous DEM and us as City

59:15& County of Honolulu, allows

59:17to, Branch out and the focus

59:18on those that haven't done the

59:20preparation.

59:21Allow us at DEM) more prepared

59:23in the different communities

59:24there.

59:25Public information, public

59:28information comes both

59:29legislative and public o

59:30outreach. In terms of public,

59:34really Kulana Kateing our risk

59:34communications and ourer

59:36crisis communication.

59:38Communicating rr this public

59:40information specialist is

59:40actually one that has been on

59:41a grant position or moving

59:43that position over to Civil

59:46Service side.

59:46So it gives us a lot more

59:51redundancy within this

59:52position.

59:53And capability within this

59:55position.

59:55To produce the information

59:57that needs to Be produced for