2026-09-22 - Budget
Summary
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- Called to order at 10:02 a.m. by Chair Okimoto; Cordero, Kiaʻāina and Nishimoto present, Tulba arrived at 10:04, Waters excused. Adjourned 10:14 a.m.
- Both items were reported out for adoption with no objection, 5-0 per the committee record. No one registered to testify on either item.
Transfer of funds, Honolulu Police Department
- Resolution 26-202 (committee report 256(26)): up to $300,000 in General Fund money moved within HPD Support Services from current expenses to equipment, to replace legacy IDEMIA LiveScan fingerprint systems and upgrade Multi-Biometric Identification System workstations. Related communication D-560(26). Heard 10:05 to 10:10 a.m.
- An HPD captain said the machines were bought around fiscal years 2018 and 2019 and are meant to last ten years, but fast-moving software requirements shortened their life. The department expects ten years from the new system and plans a check-in at the six-year mark.
- Cordero asked about the vendor contract. HPD said it pays IDEMIA an annual support and maintenance contract, but the vendor's contract staff and its equipment staff are separate divisions, and one recently said the hardware must be updated because the software will eventually be incompatible. HPD said it is working with the vendor so this does not recur. See RES26-202 Police Fingerprint System Replacement.
Transfer of funds, Honolulu Fire Department
- Resolution 26-203 (committee report 257(26)): $16,624 from the Provision for Grants, Partnerships and Security activity to Fire Operations as the 10 percent match for a FEMA Assistance to Firefighters Grant. Related communication D-561(26). Heard 10:10 to 10:13 a.m.
- A fire battalion chief said the grant pays a specialist company to train a small cadre of firefighters in a week-long course in October; that cadre will then embed the training in the department's live fire program, making it self-sustaining in house. FEMA only provides the grant. See RES26-203 Fire Training Grant Match.
Issues discussed
Sources
- Committee on Budget written summary, September 22, 2026 (not formal minutes): https://hnldoc.ehawaii.gov/hnldoc/document-download?id=29303
- Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeicVILbVVU
Video
Transcript
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Transcript
01:08ALOHA GOOD MORNING.
01:1110:02 A.M.
01:12TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2026.
01:14CALL THE COMMITTEE ON BUDGET
01:15MEETING TO ORDER.
01:17I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME
01:18JOINING US IN THE CHAMBER,
01:20COMMITTEE VICE CHAIR
01:22NISHIMOTO.
01:22AND COUNCILMEMBERS CORDERO AND
01:27KIA'AINA.
01:27EXCUSE COUNCILMEMBER U COUNCIL
01:28CHAIR WATERS AND COUNCILMEMBER
01:30TULBA.
01:31ALTHOUGH REMOTE ORAL TESTIMONY
01:32IS BEING PERMITTED THIS IS A
01:34REGULAR IN-PERSON MEETING AND
01:35NOT REMOTE MEETING BY
01:36INTERACTIVE CONFERENCE
01:38TECHNOLOGY.
01:39UNDER SECTION 29-3.7, HAWAII
01:41REVISED STATUTES.
01:43THEREFORE, MEETING WILL
01:45CONTINUE NOTWITHSTANDING LOSS
01:47OF AUDIO VISUAL COMMUNICATION
01:47WITH REMOTE TESTIFIERS OR LOSS
01:49OF PUBLIC BROADCAST OF
01:51MEETING.
01:52MEMBERS PUBLIC WILL BE ALLOWED
01:54PROVIDE ORAL TESTIMONY ON ALL
01:55ITEMS ON AGENDA IN PERSON IN
01:57THE COUNCIL CHAMBER AND
01:59REMOTELY IN EACH AGENDA IS
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03:51BE VRABEL TO THE PUBLIC AS
03:53DESCRIBED ON THE POSTED
03:54AGENDA.
03:54AVAILABLE TO PUBLIC.
03:55COURTESY PLEASE TURN OFF ALL
03:56CELL PHONES FOR THE DURATION
03:57OF THIS MEETING WELCOME
03:59JOINING IN THE CHAMBER
04:03COUNCILMEMBER TULBA.
04:05AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, FOR
04:07ACTION.
04:08RESOLUTION 26-202.
04:10THIS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES
04:11TRANSFER OF UP TO $300,000 IN
04:14GENERAL FUND MONIES WITHIN THE
04:17HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT
04:18SUPPORT SERVICES ACTIVITY,
04:19FROM THE CURRENT EXPENSES
04:21CHARACTER OF EXPENDITURE, TO
04:23THE EQUIPMENT CHARACTER OF
04:24EXPENDITURE TO FACILITATE
04:26REPLACEMENT OF THE HONOLULU
04:28POLICE DEPARTMENT'S LEGACY
04:33IDEMIA LiveScan AND UPEL
04:40EXISTING MULTI-BIOMETRIC.
04:42SYSTEM RELIABILITY AND
04:43MANUFACTURER'S SUPPORT.
04:44BEFORE CALLING UP THE
04:45ADMINISTRATION, WE WILL NOW
04:46PROCEED WITH IN-PERSON
04:47TESTIMONY IN THE COUNCIL
04:49CHAMBER.
04:49CLERK ANY REGISTERED IN-PERSON
04:51TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM?
04:52>>Council Clerk: CHAIR,
04:53THERE ARE NONE.
04:53>>Chair Okimoto: THANK
04:54YOU.
04:54NO REGISTERED TESTIFIERS.
04:55IS THERE ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL
04:58CHAMBER WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY
04:58ON THIS ITEM?
05:01SEEING NONE.
05:02WE WILL NOW PROCEED WITH
05:03REMOTE TESTIMONY.
05:04CLERK ANY REGISTERED
05:05TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM?
05:06>>Council Clerk: CHAIR,
05:07THERE ARE NONE.
05:07>>Chair Okimoto: THANK
05:09YOU.
05:09NO REGISTERED TESTIFIERS, ON
05:13LINER, LIKE WITH DOME JOIN US
05:16JOIN USHONOLULU POLICE DEPARTME,
05:19CAPTAIN ARNOLD.
05:20GOOD MORNING SEGUSIO.
05:23>>Testifier: GOOD MORNING.
05:25CHAIR OKIMOTO AND VICE CHAIR
05:28NISHIMOTO.
05:28DISTINGUISHED COUNCILMEMBERS.
05:30I'M CAPTAIN REPRESENTING
05:30HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT.
05:33RECORDS FIRECRACKERS DID IRECORN
05:36DIVISION.
05:37CARLENE LAU AND ASSISTANT
05:40CHIEF SUPPORT SERVICE BUREAU.
05:42WE ARE REQUESTING TRANSFER OF
05:44$300,000 FROM OUR SUPPORT
05:45SERVICES ACTIVITY.
05:48CURRENT EXPENSES OVER TO THE
05:49EQUIPMENT CHARACTER OF
05:51EXPENDITURE FOR FISCAL YEAR
05:522027 TO REPLACE THE IDEMIA
05:59LEGACY SYSTEM.
06:00YIELD BACK MY TIME.
06:01>>Chair Okimoto: QUESTIONS
06:01FOR THE CAPTAIN?
06:04>>Testifier: CAPTAIN CAN YOU
06:04JUST CASTLE CAS QUICKLY EXPLAINE
06:08LIFESPAN OF THESE.
06:10REPLACING CURRENT FINGER
06:12PRINTING MACHINE.
06:12IS THIS THE ACTUAL MACHINE AND
06:14SOFTWARE OR ONE OR THE OTHER?
06:16OR BOTH.
06:17>>Testifier: YES. PHOTO
06:18SYSTEM UPGRADE IN REGARDS TO
06:21NINE MACHINES.
06:22LIFESPAN OF THESE MACHINES ARE
06:24TEN YEARS.
06:26SO WE HAD PURCHASED THESE BACK
06:28IN THE YEAR OF FISCAL YEAR
06:302008 AND 2019.
06:32AT 7 YEAR MARK.
06:34WITH THAT REGARD, WITH ADVENT
06:38OF INCREASED SOFTWARE
06:40PRODUCTION AI, UPGRADES IN
06:43MICROSOFT, AND THESE SOFTWARE
06:44TYPES ARE GROWING
06:46EXPONENTIALLY EVERY NINE
06:47MONTHS.
06:48KIND OF SURPASSED LIFESPAN.
06:48KIND OF SHORTENED LIFESPAN OF
06:51THESE MACHINES.
06:51>>Chair Okimoto: THANK
06:52YOU.
06:52WITH THIS NEW ONE, AND NEWER
06:54TECHNOLOGY, WILL IT THEN HAVE
06:55TEN YEARS ALSO OR WE ARE GOING
06:57TO BE LOOK AT THIS SOONER THAN
07:00TEN YEARS.
07:01>>Testifier: WITH THAT BEING
07:02EXPECTED, ASSUME TEN YEARS.
07:04HOWEVER WE PUT IN SOME
07:06MITIGATING SITUATIONS TO MAKE
07:08SURE THAT WE DON'T COME INTO
07:10THE SITUATION ONCE AGAIN.
07:11SO WE'RE GOING TO BE CHECKING
07:12IN AT THE SIX YEAR MARK DUE TO
07:14THE FACT THAT AI AND SOFTWARE
07:18TECHNOLOGY IS INCREASING
07:21MOVING PROGRESSIVELY.
07:21>>Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU
07:22SO MUCH.
07:23COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO.
07:24>>Councilmember Cordero:
07:24THANK YOU.
07:25HI CAPTAIN MUCH THANK YOU VERY Y
07:27MUCH BEING HERE.
07:28I WAS WONDERING ABOUT IF STILL
07:30A CONTRACT WITH THE SOFTWARE
07:33PROGRAM?
07:33AND DO YOU HAVE A COORDINATOR
07:34WITH THAT CONTRACT?
07:36AND IF SO, ARE THEY THE ONES
07:38RECOMMENDING UPDATING OR
07:39UPGRADING THE SOFTWARE WITHIN
07:40THE 7 YEARS?
07:42OR STHO IS THIS BASED OFF OF
07:45JUST USE?
07:46>>Testifier: WELL, THANK YOU
07:46FOR THAT QUESTION.
07:48SO WITH THAT REGARD, THE
07:51SITUATION IS WE HAVE A SUPPORT
07:53AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH
07:55IDEMIA.
07:56THIS PAID OUT EVERY YEAR.
07:58SO WE HAVE IT BUDGETED.
08:02PEOPLE THAT MANAGE OUR
08:03CONTRACT ON THE COMPANY, AND
08:06PEOPLE R&D THAT CONTROL THE
08:08EQUIPMENT, ARE TWO SEPARATE
08:09DIVISION.
08:09SO ONE IS TELLING US NEEDS
08:12SOFTWARE UPGRADE.
08:12OTHER JUST RECENTLY TOLD US
08:14THAT WE NEED TO UPDATE THE
08:16HARDWARE.
08:17BECAUSE THE SOFTWARE WILL NOT
08:18BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE
08:20HARDWARE EVENTUALLYMENT
08:21FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
08:23>>Councilmember Cordero:
08:23ARE THERE PLANS TO COMBINE
08:25THOSE STAFF TO THEN BE WITHIN
08:27ONE ONE DIVISION SO THEY CAN
08:30COMMUNICATE BETTER TOGETHER?
08:32>>Testifier: WITH REGARDS TO
08:33IDEMIA, TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT
08:34DIVISIONS.
08:35COMPANY NOT CONTROLLED BY THE
08:36HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT,
08:37HOWEVER, WE'RE BUILDING
08:39BRIDGES.
08:39WE HAVE MR. GOLDEN AND MISS
08:42HELEN HEC K ER OVER THERE.
08:46SPEAKING TO THEM SO SITUATION
08:47DOESN'T OCCUR AGAIN CORD.
08:48>>Councilmember Cordero:
08:49PERFECT.
08:50I APPRECIATE THAT.
08:51I'M GLAD YOU ARE LOOKING FOR
08:53SIGHT INTO THE FUTURE OF
08:55MITIGATE THAT IN THE FUTURE.
08:56THANK YOU.
08:58LOOKING WITH FORESIGHT.
09:00>>Chair Okimoto: FURTHER
09:02QUESTIONS?
09:02THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:04NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MEMBERS
09:04WE ARE IN DISCUSSION.
09:07SEE NOTHING FUR FURTHER DISCUSSN
09:08CHAIR RECOMMEND THAT IS
09:10RESOLUTION 26-202 BE REPORTED
09:12OUT FOR ADOPTION.
09:14ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
09:14ANY OBJECTIONS OR
09:17RESERVATIONS?
09:17HEARING NONE SO ORDERED.
09:20THANK YOU.
09:20AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2.
09:22FOR ACTION.
09:23RESOLUTION 26-203, THIS
09:26RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES A
09:28TRANSFER OF $16,624 IN GENERAL
09:31FUND MONIES FROM THE PROVISION
09:32FOR GRANTS, PARTNERSHIPS AND
09:35SECURITY ACTIVITY CURRENT
09:36EXPENSES CHARACTER HE HAVE
09:38EXPENDITURE TO THE HONOLULU
09:39FIRE DEPARTMENT FIRE OPERATION
09:41ACTIVITY CURRENT EXPENSES
09:42CHARACTER TESTIFIER EXAMPLE
09:43END P TOUR TO MATCH FUNDS FROM
09:45THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY
09:47MANAGEMENT AGENCY FEMA FOR THE
09:49ASSISTANCE TO FIREFIGHTERS
09:50GRANT.
09:51BEFORE CALLING UP THE
09:52ADMINISTRATION, NOW PROCEED
09:53WITH IN-PERSON TESTIMONY IN
09:54THE COUNCIL CHAIR CHAMBER.
09:56ANY REGISTERED TESTIFIERS FOR
09:59THIS ITEM?
09:59>>Testifier: THERE ARE NONE.
10:01>>Chair Okimoto: IF ANY
10:03OTHER TESTIFIERS IN PERSON?
10:04SEEING NONE.
10:06PROCEEDING REMOTE TESTIMONY.
10:08ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR IF
10:10ITEM.
10:10>>Council Clerk: CHAIR,
10:10THERE ARE NONE.
10:11THANK YOU.
10:12JOIN US TODAY FROM THE
10:14DEPARTMENT OF HONOLULU FIRE
10:16DEPARTMENT, BY ITALIAN CHIEF.
10:19GOOD MORNING.
10:21>>Testifier: GOOD MORNING.
10:33COUNCIL CHAIR OKIMOTO M
10:36DISTINGUISHED COUNCILMEMBERS.
10:38BATTALION CHIEF JASON TORRES.
10:41HFD ADMINISTRATION.
10:46IN TEN ANDWITH ME.
10:49MICHELLE.
10:50GRANTS MANAGER.
10:50IN A ATTENDANCE WITH ME.
10:53REQUESTING, GOING TO BE A --
10:5610% MATCH FOR OUR ASSISTANCE
10:59TO FIREFIGHTERS GRANT.
11:01THAT WE ARE AWARDED.
11:03THE AWARD IS FOR OUR FIRE DINE
11:08A.M. PROGRAM.
11:09DYNAMICS.
11:09TRAIN TO TRAIN OR EQUIPMENT.
11:12BASICALLY WHAT IS IT'S A
11:16PROMPT AND TRAINING THAT WILL
11:20ALLOW HFD TO EMBED THIS I
11:25GUESS STEP WITHIN OUR LIVE
11:27FIRE PROGRAM.
11:28CURRENTLY, OUR LIVE FIRE
11:31PROGRAM.
11:31THIS IS LIKE MISSING OR THE
11:34LAST BART PART OF THAT
11:38PROGRAM.
11:39THE TRAIN THE TRAINER, COMPANY
11:42WILL COME DOWN TRAIN OUREL
11:44DEPARTMENT, AND ONCE THAT IS
11:47COMPLETED, WE ARE
11:48SELF-SUSTAINING.
11:48WE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF
11:51THE TRAINING WITHIN HOUSE.
11:53AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:54>>Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU
11:57BATTALION CHIEF TORRES.
11:58CONNECTION WITH FEMA, ARE THEY
12:00THE ONES DOING TRAINING.
12:02TRAINING TO TRAINER PROGRAM.
12:03COME DOWN, WHAT IS THE
12:04RELATIONSHIP WITH FEMA?
12:05>>Testifier: FEMA IS JUST
12:08THE GRANT.
12:08>>Chair Okimoto: IT'S NOT
12:10ANOTHER ACTUAL PERSON DOING
12:11THE TRAINING.
12:11>>Testifier: NO.
12:12FEMA NOT THE ONE DOING THE
12:13TRAINING.
12:14IT'S A COMPANY THAT
12:16SPECIALIZES IN THIS TYPE OF
12:17TRAINING.
12:18THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WILL BE
12:20COVEN DUNGTING TRAINING --
12:22CONDUCTING TRAINING.
12:23>>Chair Okimoto: ONE TIME
12:24TRAINING AND, HOW MANY
12:26FIREFIGHTERS IS IT A MANDATORY
12:27TRAINING FOR OVEN?
12:28>>Testifier: RIGHT NOW, FOR
12:29EVERYONE, RIGHT NOW TRAIN THE
12:30TRAINER OF HANDFUL OF CADRE
12:33THAT WILL BE PART OF THE WEEK
12:34LONG TRAINING COMING UP IN
12:38OCTOBER.
12:38AND ONCE THAT IS COMPLETED
12:41THE, HFD WILL EMBED THAT INTO
12:42THE CURRENT LIVE FIRE PROGRAM.
12:44>>Chair Okimoto: GOT IT.
12:44THANK YOU.
12:46OKAY.
12:47MEMBERS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS
12:48FOR BATTALION CHIEF TORRES?
12:51>>Testifier: THANK YOU VERY
12:51MUCH.
12:52FOR BEING HERE.
12:53NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MEMBERS
12:54WE ARE IN DISCUSSION.
12:57SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION,
12:58CHAIR RECOMMENDS THAT
13:00RESOLUTION 26-203 BE REPORTED
13:03OUT FOR ADOPTION.
13:04FURTHER DISCUSSION?
13:05ANY OBJECTION OR RESERVATIONS?
13:07HEARING NONE.
13:08SO ORDERED.
13:09IN BEING NO BUDGET FURTHER
13:11BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS
13:12ADJOURNED.
13:13>>(ADJOURNED).