2026-09-08 - City Council Work Session

28:11But the real, I guess,

28:12concerned about why some of

28:14these questions are not here.

28:15Um, came up even this morning

28:17with some of the staff members,

28:18and we were going over the

28:19presentation. Um, are we

28:21willing to go to a completely

28:23cashless system? Remember, that

28:25was one of the emails that came

28:26to us. Was it two weeks ago,

28:28mayor, from a lady who wanted

28:29to be able to pay by cash. And

28:31it was like, how many of you go

28:33to any place and you pay with

28:34parking by cash? But I'm not

28:37mistaken that Brian, it was a

28:38cash. It was a cash issue. Or

28:40when it came time to appeal,

28:42she had already been through

28:42the appeal process and was not

28:44happy with that. And so what

28:47tonight is and we can delay

28:49this, and we'd be happy to come

28:50back with more information for

28:51council if you'd like. It's

28:53really just a a recommendation

28:56on the parking operator. All of

28:59the firms, particularly P2, um,

29:01staff believes have the

29:03requisite knowledge and

29:04experience in North Carolina

29:06managing these types of systems

29:08that when they hit the ground

29:10running, they will be able to

29:11advise us based upon what

29:13counsel's interests are and

29:15what you're willing to do, um,

29:17about how we can close the

29:18revenue gap. Um, how are we

29:20close the revenue gap this

29:21time? As we moved? Was it?

29:23Taylor $250,000. 2282 80

29:30$280,000. To be able to say

29:33that we had a balanced parking,

29:35um, account. Um, council's

29:37interest was we heard during

29:39the budget session was what can

29:41we reasonably do that won't

29:42hurt downtown? Um, our

29:45businesses won't stop people

29:47from coming downtown that could

29:49help close that gap. Some of

29:51those issues we talked with

29:52Council about, which were

29:53changing the, um, the dollar

29:55value of special events, um,

29:57changing a couple of lots from,

29:59uh, was it.

30:02Changing the bonus lot from

30:04permanently to, uh, paid

30:05parking and then also

30:07implementing different citation

30:09values?

30:09And did we bring that to

30:10council recently?

30:12Yes. Okay. Uh, on the work

30:14session, not on the consent.

30:15Agenda, on the work session.

30:16And so, um, but we did not

30:19present this that night at the

30:20Downtown Alliance, you and I

30:22had a brief conversation. Um,

30:24and one of the things to that,

30:25I think, that we may have

30:27overstated, I don't know if you

30:28have already shared that about

30:29the Downtown Alliance, is that

30:30there are, like a lot of groups

30:32when we talk to one office and

30:34two office and small groups,

30:35sometimes there appears to be

30:36consensus about what we're

30:38presenting, but we want to be

30:39very clear that the Downtown

30:41Alliance and some of the other

30:42downtown groups have not given

30:44a formal vote on any of the

30:46proposals. So the goal would

30:47be, if council is so inclined

30:48to move at P2 and move forward

30:51with the contract award, that

30:53that would be one of the first

30:54things that they and we and you

30:55would have to do with us is to

30:57actually meet with the

30:58downtown, um, residents and

31:00business owners and really

31:02negotiate what you and they are

31:04willing to live with to try to

31:06make any parking contract. But

31:07if it is P2, at least more cost

31:10neutral to the city, because

31:11right now it's an additional

31:13$280,000 for this fiscal year,

31:16I think is what Taylor said.

31:19All right. Thank you. Mayor Pro

31:20Tem.

31:22Thank you. Mayor. Uh, I'm a

31:24little off now because I had my

31:26questions lined up in my head,

31:27but now I'm thrown off a little

31:29bit because I believe on the

31:30budget session, we had to give

31:32parking, I believe, close to

31:34$700,000. And now you're saying

31:36it's 280,000? We need to break

31:38even. So let me start with my

31:39first question that I do

31:40remember under the

31:42recommendations from audit, was

31:43those recommendations added to

31:45the scope of work that you

31:46added when you put out this

31:47RFQ? Thank you for that.

31:50Secondly, why did the price go

31:53down $20,000 to 678 to 672 the

31:58first year? And then if we had

32:00the option of going up the

32:01third year, it went to 746. And

32:04the second part of that

32:05question is if it goes up 3.3%

32:08every year after that, what do

32:10we need to increase our prices

32:11to keep up with that pace?

32:14I do not have an answer on that

32:16second question. However, on

32:17the first question, uh, there's

32:19a transition cost that is

32:20included inside the fiscal year

32:222027 cost. And so of the 678

32:26and I would have to look at the

32:27line by line item that they

32:28included inside of their bid.

32:30The transition cost is included

32:32in that.

32:32The $70,000 for transition

32:35costs.

32:36Uh, not in the difference from

32:3728 to 29. I'm talking about 27

32:40to 28, where it goes from 678

32:42to 672.

32:43And what about when it goes

32:44from 672 to 746?

32:47Uh, that one, uh. I would have

32:50to do the math on.

32:54Thank you. Mayor.

32:55All right. Uh, Councilmember

32:58McMillan.

33:00Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And

33:02I just wanted to, uh, plus one

33:04on some of the things I heard

33:06around, uh, price increase and

33:08caution around moving, um,

33:11without the express engagement

33:15of the downtown Alliance. And

33:17then also, uh, making some room

33:20for folks who will be impacted

33:21on the, on the, uh, the

33:23consumer side, people who would

33:25have to pay, uh, additional

33:27fees to park downtown. Uh, I

33:29have, I've heard recently some

33:31strong opposition to raising

33:35the prices, uh, from one from a

33:37merchant and then also from

33:39just everyday people would have

33:40to pay more, uh, to park

33:43downtown. Uh, would also

33:45recommend, just in addition to

33:47taking recommendations from,

33:48uh, from any new contractor to

33:51make space for the public to

33:53weigh in, perhaps in a, in a,

33:55uh, public hearing of sorts.

33:57Uh, I just wanted to add that

33:59in and appreciate that being

34:00brought up at this at this

34:02point.

34:06All right. Thank you,

34:07Councilmember Haire. Uh,

34:11thanks, mayor. After hearing

34:12all of the concerns I'm hearing

34:14tonight, this afternoon, I

34:17would like to kind of send this

34:18back to staff and give them an

34:21opportunity to incorporate, uh,

34:24some of the concerns that were

34:26heard today. And, uh, see how

34:29we can all put that into place.

34:32And that would be my motion.

34:35Uh, if there's a support for

34:37it. All right. As most of my

34:40councilmember here and

34:40councilmember, if you could,

34:42um, I saw David's kind of nod

34:43with it. Can you give some, um,

34:46specifics around, um, maybe a

34:50date for the next work session

34:52or when can we anticipate you

34:54all?

34:54Does it have to come to a work

34:55session, or could it go

34:56straight to the.

34:56Well, I think if at some point

34:58we'll need some venue to

34:59discuss some of the concerns,

35:01right, like, um, to make sure

35:03that the things that you have

35:04asked the contractor for

35:06captures what the council and

35:08the public's interest are being

35:09captured, you know, so that

35:10when they give us a price,

35:11it'll be a little bit more

35:13inclusive of that. So it's you

35:15all, uh, call whether you want

35:17her to work session or some

35:18other venue. Yeah. Um, I mean,

35:20I'm, I'm waiting to hear some

35:23some toss ups in the air. If

35:25they wanted to do that. Um, if

35:27it comes back to a work

35:28session. I mean, I'm pretty

35:29sure we would like for it to be

35:30fully explained. I'm pretty

35:32sure that could be fully

35:33explained at a actual meeting,

35:36as we're doing tonight. And

35:38then, um, just getting putting

35:41in all of the other concerns

35:43that we've heard about, even to

35:46incorporate what what our

35:48residents are saying downtown

35:50and even the concerns which you

35:51also mentioned. Mayor, uh, we

35:53want to kind of hear a thorough

35:55report back on those concerns

35:58that everyone has spoke on. So

36:00if council can kind of give me

36:02some support, what you want to

36:03hear or Mister.

36:04Doctor Hewitt, uh, could, you

36:06know, based on the feedback,

36:07what's your recommendation for

36:08when you would like to present

36:10this back to cover it up?

36:11Well, um, uh, as soon as

36:13possible. What we'll do is, um,

36:15as Brian mentioned, um, he and

36:17Sheila and the other team

36:18members spent months going

36:20through our current contract

36:23with for public parking and

36:24also examining other RFP and

36:26contracts of other parking. Um,

36:28uh, contracts in North Carolina

36:30and other places. And so it

36:32addressed um, or we attempted

36:34to address as doctor here said,

36:36let's say, if there were 15

36:38things that we uncovered and,

36:40um, I think it would be

36:41helpful, mayor and council, if

36:42we were to next, when we bring

36:45this back, have those 15 things

36:46which we beefed up after amped

36:49up in the RFP and making sure

36:53that we're able to tell you

36:55that the that all of those

36:57concerns are, um, addressed in

37:00the, in the contract if council

37:03approves it. And so that

37:04hopefully will answer those

37:05questions that you have. But

37:06number two, um, because, um,

37:10this is such an important issue

37:12and it is a long term

37:14engagement, uh, we would also

37:16ask P-2 if they could be

37:18available to come to your

37:20meeting to talk to you. And,

37:22and depending on the timing of

37:23that as well, we may even see

37:25if they're available just as a

37:26drop in and one of the

37:27conference rooms or anyone from

37:28downtown wishes to come. But.

37:29So that would be what I

37:30proposed. I don't think we can

37:31probably get that done before

37:32the 28th.

37:33So question on that. On that

37:34point, Mr. Hewitt, would this

37:35still be an active RFP? Is that

37:38fair or good? Look for for one

37:40particular vendor to do it?

37:41Well, we have made a staff

37:43recommendation. That's all this

37:45is. And so, um, if you all are

37:48evaluating the ability of P-2

37:50to do those things, Madam

37:52Attorney and Kim tune, that is

37:54permissible.

37:57She said that's fine. Madam

37:57attorney, I want to hear now

37:58from you. Okay, okay. All

37:59right. So go ahead, Doctor

38:01Hewitt. I'm sorry.

38:02So we could possibly look at

38:04the 28th. I don't think we

38:05could do it on the 14th, but

38:07the goal is to get it back as

38:09quickly as we can. Um, and, uh,

38:12this setting, the work session

38:14actually works really well for

38:15that, but I don't think I don't

38:16know if we will want to wait

38:17until October, but, um, we will

38:19first talk to P-2 and I'll

38:22report back to council. Um,

38:24offline. But understand the

38:25need to move as quickly as we

38:26can.

38:27All right, Councilmember, you

38:27have a question.

38:29Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

38:31I have several, actually. So

38:33currently, the, um, equipment,

38:36the the pay kiosks are owned.

38:39By whom?

38:41City of Fayetteville.

38:42Okay, so can you show me on the

38:45RFP where the equipment wasn't?

38:50We owned it now. Wasn't the

38:52equipment tied into the initial

38:54the current parking

38:56contractor's contract..

38:58In the original contract, I

39:00believe it was. Yes.

39:01So was that included in the

39:03RFP? Was equipment.

39:05There was.

39:06As far as the pay kiosk, I saw

39:08it. Equipment.

39:09There's an item inside of the

39:11RFP that basically says, uh,

39:13that they have to be prepared

39:15to make recommendations and

39:17assist us with purchase and

39:18installation of the equipment.

39:19However, the price of that

39:22equipment is not required as

39:23part of the RFP bid, right?

39:26So in speaking with the

39:29downtown merchants, the

39:30meetings, uh, my colleague and

39:31I attended, as well as, um,

39:33just speaking to, um,

39:35residents, both local and, um,

39:38traveling here from other

39:40places to do business here. Is

39:43that the kiosks don't always

39:45work. Right. So I thought in

39:49previous conversations over the

39:51last year or two when parking

39:53came up, uh, we knew the

39:56current current contractors.

39:59Uh, contract would be up and we

40:01would have to either renew it

40:03or put it out for an RFP to get

40:04a new contract that we would

40:06look at that time of getting

40:07new equipment. So the fact that

40:11there's not a more robust, um,

40:14section in both the RFP and the

40:16preliminary agreement, um, is a

40:18little, um, surprising to me

40:22because I, I was expecting

40:23that, um. And then the question

40:29because it was talking about

40:31cash if, if I wanted to come

40:33and park in the parking spot

40:34and pay cash, how do I do that

40:36today?

40:37And the parking decks and the

40:39pay stations, there are those

40:40options to are the parking

40:42decks and also on the surface

40:44lots. And this one street

40:45parking the kiosk. If you can

40:47find one. There's also, uh,

40:49paying in cash in the

40:50contractor's office. And if we

40:52can actually go back for one

40:54second, we have 34 T2 pay

40:55stations that are out there

40:57installed right now. Those pay

40:59stations are no longer

41:00manufactured, and the equipment

41:02that we stockpiled for repairs

41:04and maintenance got destroyed

41:06in the flood from a while back.

41:08And so of that, while we could

41:12require the contractor to make

41:13a bid saying recommend us the

41:16replacement of the equipment,

41:17the next question is in do we

41:18have 34 kiosk or do we have 20?

41:20Because every single kiosk

41:22requires an individual license,

41:24and that individual license is

41:25an individual payment that has

41:26to be made to the company. I do

41:28not know what that cost is

41:29right now, but if we had to

41:31make an estimate and I said it

41:32was $100 per kiosk, it's $3,400

41:35a month versus three grand or

41:37two grand, depending if we

41:39reduce the cost and put them in

41:40more favorable locations.

41:41So currently we have how many

41:43kiosks? 34 and all 34 are

41:45available to take cash.

41:48I would have to I would have to

41:50get back to you on that one.

41:51Can you put I think it's slide

41:54six of your PowerPoint. We had

41:56the different uh, the little

41:58graph with the different. Yeah.

41:59Contractors you just passed

42:01there. Yeah. Um, so there was

42:03another on one of the other,

42:05um, attachments in our c cam.

42:08It made reference to uh, or

42:10there was some language in

42:11there about the, uh, contractor

42:14having to bond each employee,

42:16each, uh, contractor employee

42:19that handles cash. All right.

42:21So as we're having a

42:23discussion, if we're going to

42:24be able to take cash, and I

42:25personally I think there should

42:27be the capability to pay cash.

42:28Cash is still legal tender in

42:30this country, while less and

42:33less people carry cash. I just

42:35don't think it's I think it's

42:37disingenuous of us to to not

42:40allow a cash option. But having

42:42said that, the more and more,

42:44um, consumers that are getting

42:47away from using actual cash as,

42:50as a form of payment, then why

42:52would we require the contractor

42:55to bond? Each employee was a

42:57pretty substantial thing, was

42:58like $25,000 bond per employee.

43:02Uh, if they're not handling

43:03very much cash, that sounds

43:06like a, um, maybe a over

43:07burdensome expectation or

43:10requirement. But on this, um,

43:12this slide here, I think I

43:15heard you say that out of the

43:20applicants or the responders to

43:21the RFP, only one included

43:25equipment and the other ones

43:26did not. Yes. Do we know which

43:28one included the equipment?

43:29Our current contractor,

43:31Republic.

43:31Republic. So, um, were they

43:36proposing replacing all 34 of

43:38the current kiosk?

43:39That is my understanding. Yes.

43:40And did they have a specific

43:42manufacturer?

43:43Yes.

43:44Amano homeowner.

43:46And if I can go back, um, you

43:48mentioned about the bonding of

43:49every individual employee. Uh,

43:51during our contract

43:53negotiations and discussions

43:54with pivot. Uh, even though

43:56council has not provided their

43:57approval yet, we are still

43:58working with them to make sure

44:00that everything can move as

44:01quickly as it can, pending

44:03approval. Uh, they have

44:04identified that as one of the

44:05items that they are looking to

44:07revise or change. We're

44:09coordinating with them. The

44:09city attorney's office and the

44:11other departments to ensure

44:13that any changes that they make

44:14to the contract, uh, goes

44:16through the proper process. At

44:18the same time, the contract

44:19that is included with the

44:20system is still a draft

44:21version.

44:22Thank you. Um, yeah. So it's

44:24kind of a chicken and egg

44:26situation. So do we work

44:27through how we want the paid

44:30parking program to kind of work

44:32and operate, or do we, do we

44:33get an agreement with the

44:35consultant first? You know, I

44:37could see the, um, the

44:40advantages and the limitations

44:41to either option. I just feel

44:43like, um, and I'm not

44:46necessarily suggesting that the

44:48new kiosk or the equipment need

44:50to be part of the contract. It

44:51can be separate if the city is

44:52going to fund the purchase of

44:55the kiosk and, uh, own them,

44:58um, it don't necessarily have

44:59to be part of this contractor's

45:01agreement, but, um, I think you

45:05have to be able to you have to

45:07provide a reliable method for

45:11the users to pay. If you don't

45:12do that, then the whole the

45:14whole paid parking program

45:15falls apart.

45:16So. So, Council, uh, Councilman

45:18Hodges, those are great, great

45:20points, I think to summarize

45:22all this, I think that any good

45:24RFP needs to define the

45:26outcomes that we expect. And I

45:27don't know that we've fully, as

45:29a board, identified or

45:32articulated to staff what the

45:34outcomes are. Right. And so I

45:35think council member here was

45:37headed there to pull this back.

45:38Uh, the question on the floor

45:39and I had a second, uh,

45:41Councilmember Hondros brought

45:42excellent points that also

45:44support that fact. So, um, I

45:46guess the only thing would be

45:48is, uh, the manager will give

45:49us the time frame in which

45:51you'll be able to allow council

45:52to tell you the outcomes, that

45:54we won't include it in whatever

45:55vendor is.

45:56Selected.

45:57And so he said the 28th, if

45:59that's the date, uh, and if

46:01that's a regular council

46:02meeting, I guess, you know, I

46:03don't know at what venue we

46:04have that out, but I guess we

46:06can do it at this setting, if

46:08that's what that's what

46:08council's desire is. But the

46:10motion and the second, um,

46:11council would want to look to

46:13you for, uh, votes on that.

46:15Mr. mayor.

46:16This is the. Yes. The motion

46:18was. Yes, ma'am.

46:18I'm sorry. I just have a

46:20question. Can before we vote on

46:22that, can we really discuss

46:24coming back to the work

46:25session? Because I feel like it

46:27needs more discussion than

46:29we're able to give it on a

46:31particularly on a last meeting

46:32of the month, because that is

46:34historically a horrible meeting

46:36to try to have any discussion

46:38about anything.

46:41Well, and to piggyback on that,

46:43um, as we're all talking to

46:45you, I think getting the

46:47resident input, particularly

46:49the downtown business owners,

46:51downtown property owners and

46:52the residents that frequent

46:54downtown to help us formulate

46:57to your point, Mr. Mayor, what

46:59are the desired outcomes? You

47:01know, that's why I think we

47:02need their input. And then, um,

47:04we can provide that to staff

47:06and they can kind of hash out

47:07how we get there. Uh, between

47:09them, the RFP and then

47:10whichever consultant ultimately

47:12wins the award. That was the

47:14purpose of my questions, you

47:15know, as there was a discussion

47:16of when this comes back, what

47:18what do we want included when

47:19it comes back? I think we're,

47:21um, several steps away from

47:25that at this point, Mr. Mayor.

47:27Thank you. Yes, sir.

47:28Um. Thank you. Um, and this is

47:31this is, um, really, really

47:33powerful discussion, and it

47:35sounds like we're not talking

47:37about the contract to manage

47:40parking. It sounds like we're

47:41talking about a parking study.

47:43What is the philosophy that we

47:45have for what spurs business?

47:47What doesn't? Um, we're talking

47:49about, um, how we're going to

47:51manage our assets. The deck.

47:53Um, what the pricing schedule

47:55should be, because a lot of

47:56those things came out in some

47:57of the other conversations I've

47:59had with Council about why do

48:00we charge $50 per day in the

48:02deck? Um, and not more? Um, we

48:05started off at $10 per special

48:07event parking, and we quickly

48:08moved to five. I don't know

48:11that the parking contractor is

48:14largely going to be agnostic

48:16and will do whatever you want

48:17them to do. Um, if you want

48:18them in part of their contract

48:20to come back in 36 to 90 days

48:23and tell you how they can

48:24achieve whatever council

48:26shares, they'll be happy to do

48:27that. But think that this,

48:30along with the downtown manager

48:31position we're looking at as

48:33well, um, are really good

48:35critical conversations. And

48:37when we started this, when we

48:39started the effort with the

48:40RFP, we had in mind the stuff

48:42that came out of the out of the

48:43review. That doctor here

48:45mentioned, we had the

48:46information that came from the

48:48downtown merchants at that

48:49time. And again, we'll be able

48:51to show whenever we have the

48:52meeting about how that lines up

48:55or was in the our RFP or was it

48:57RFQ that we did RFP? I think it

48:59was RFP.

49:02Uh, for the study or the

49:04contract here.

49:05For the one.

49:05Here, uh, this is a RF.

49:08RFP. Okay. And so I think that

49:11we'll be able to to definitely

49:12do that. But a lot of the

49:14questions and things which are

49:15coming up in the Downtown

49:16Alliance and things like that,

49:17it may be as well as part of

49:19this effort, at some point in

49:20time we would update the

49:21parking study, which would tell

49:22us how council wishes us to

49:23manage the 2000 parking spaces

49:26downtown.

49:27Right. So I think we're there.

49:29We've got a motion to move it

49:30to a work session because we do

49:31have a robust agenda tonight.

49:33But just to be clear, I don't

49:36know that at least I'll speak

49:37for myself. I don't know what

49:38I've heard and what I'm saying

49:41requires a study as much as it

49:43does required to make sure that

49:44you include the areas of of

49:47importance that we want looked

49:48at by whoever the chosen

49:50contractor is. So. So I guess

49:52this looks looks good. Looks

49:53forward to the conversation.

49:54Council, I look to you for your

49:55votes to table this to the, uh.

49:58Now, Councilwoman Green, what

49:59was the outcome of her

50:02recommendation? Uh, she

50:03recommended a work session. I

50:05kind of inclined to agree with

50:06that. What? So you amended it,

50:08okay, right?

50:09Yeah.

50:09Okay.

50:10I was in agreement.

50:11All right, all right, so

50:12council look to you for your

50:13votes on this. Councilmember

50:18McMillan.

50:20Green.

50:21All right.

50:22Well.

50:23Yeah.

50:24Just one slight question.

50:25Before we left, I was thinking

50:28it. I heard it from, uh,

50:30Councilmember Hondros. Our

50:32downtown alliance. And folks

50:33like that. And I don't remember

50:36if it was brought up at our

50:38audit or not. Are they involved

50:40in the discussions?

50:42So staff have met, uh, quite a

50:45few times with the Downtown

50:46Alliance on different aspects.

50:49Um, while a long while back.

50:52Well, we talk with them about

50:54many aspects of this. The most

50:56recent meeting that we have at

50:57the Downtown Alliance was what

50:59they desire in terms of

51:02coordination and interaction

51:03between the contractor and the

51:05businesses and what they want

51:07to see. And that generally from

51:10the conversation, although

51:11there was no formal poll taken.

51:12So I don't know what the

51:14official position is. Uh, but

51:16from the conversation, the tone

51:19sounded like they wanted a

51:20contractor that is less

51:21punitive, more, um, encouraging

51:24people to essentially, pay in

51:26park instead of going out, just

51:28trying to write tickets.

51:29And and before I sign off,

51:32mayor council, you know,

51:34there's always been concerns

51:35and I think may have heard it

51:37tonight about, uh, keeping the,

51:39uh, the area clean. Is that

51:41something that falls within the

51:42scope of the new contract, or

51:45is that another city department

51:47that does that?

51:48Nope. That is inside of the

51:50contract. Is inside of the 30

51:52or 45 page scope of work. In

51:53the RFP, we talk about

51:54graffiti. We talk about

51:56maintenance. We talk about

51:58literally everything that has

51:59been discussed tonight.

52:00Thank you. Mayor.

52:01All right. So motion carries.

52:03Thank you, Mr. McGill. All

52:05right. Council will move to,

52:06uh, 61032.

52:11Um.

52:12Afternoon, mayor and council.

52:14Um, this will hopefully be a

52:16fairly quick presentation, but

52:18it involves the Stamford Road,

52:20um, partial culvert failure and

52:22the current road closure. Um,

52:24so ultimately, what we're

52:26asking for here is to, for

52:27council to provide us consensus

52:29to proceed with the capital

52:31project ordinance later this

52:33month to initiate the design

52:34for repairs to Stamford Road.

52:36Um, as you can see, uh, there

52:38was some, some substantial

52:40damage, uh, from a storm event

52:42that happened in late July. Uh,

52:45so if you can kind of see,

52:47here's just an aerial, uh, of

52:50Stamper Road and it's the, uh,

52:52roughly six by six culvert

52:54that, uh, crosses under

52:55Stamford Road here. Uh, um,

52:58just some constraints and some

53:00other aspects to this project.

53:03You do have a 12 inch water

53:04main that's about four foot

53:05deep, that runs down Stamper

53:07Road. You also have an eight

53:08inch sewer main that runs down

53:10Stamper Road. And then

53:11essentially you have the six by

53:12six storm culvert, which is 20

53:14plus feet deep. Um, so there

53:16are some constraints. There's,

53:18uh, construct ability. You're

53:20going to have to have shoring

53:21large trench boxes or some,

53:23some type of sloping or

53:24benching. Uh, there's going to

53:25be some access and egress

53:27issues. Um, we're also going to

53:29have some permitting

53:30challenges. It isn't a

53:31floodway. There will be some

53:33wetland impacts. So those are

53:34some constraints that we do

53:36have. Uh, so essentially our

53:38next steps, uh, we'd like to

53:40appropriate funding to begin

53:42the emergency, uh, repair the

53:44design of that approximately

53:46$300,000 that would go toward

53:48the design and possible any,

53:51uh, right of way or easement

53:52acquisition that we would need.

53:54Um, the proposed funding would

53:56be coming from some available

53:58balance from some older

53:59stormwater enterprise funded

54:01projects. So we would not be

54:03relying on the general fund or

54:04a stormwater fund balance

54:06appropriation. These are this

54:08funding is is some leftover

54:10budget that we have from older

54:11stormwater projects that we

54:12were either able to get grant

54:14funds for or were able to build

54:15under budget. Um, we would then

54:17execute a service contract. We

54:19anticipate the design to

54:21include all of the permits that

54:22we need to be 6 to 8 months,

54:24and then construction at

54:25another 6 to 8 months. So with

54:26that, I'll entertain any

54:28questions.

54:30I did, sir. Councilmember

54:31Hondros I know he stormwater

54:33champion.

54:34So is going to be closed for 12

54:36months.

54:37Yes there is. It's currently

54:39closed. Um, how the damage

54:43happened was you had some some

54:45large mature trees on the

54:47downstream embankment that

54:49essentially were blown over.

54:50When they blew over, it took

54:52the downstream embankment with

54:53it, separated the end wall from

54:55the culvert. And then you've

54:56kind of had some, uh, head

54:58cutting where you've had other

54:59joints of the culvert separate.

55:01So if you were to go out to

55:02Stamford Road, you could the

55:04the asphalt pavement is still

55:05intact, but you can look under

55:07one of the travel lanes.

55:10Yeah. And that's why, you know,

55:11when we say that the, um, part

55:13of the needs permit in the

55:15state, you know, whether the

55:16those embankments are mowed or

55:19whether they're overgrown, um,

55:22both are kind of acceptable,

55:23whether go natural or not. But

55:25when the trees grow and the

55:27storm blows them over, the, um,

55:30chance of damage is greater if

55:33it's not maintained. So I'm

55:35thinking of a park, and I think

55:36it's in district five, um,

55:38where we did some work off of,

55:39um. I can't think of the name

55:41of the road, but there's a

55:43little city on Park. Um, there

55:46was a creek and an embankment,

55:48and, um, we did some riprap.

55:50This was about 5 or 6 years

55:52ago. Um, oh, it doesn't matter,

55:55but can you put the map up on,

55:58um, that one slide? So were

56:01that kind of creek heads east,

56:05I think kind of along Rogers

56:06Drive, didn't we? Recently

56:08there was a stormwater project.

56:09We needed an easement.

56:10For. Uh, correct. So currently

56:13downstream of Stamford Road, if

56:15you look at the next two

56:16downstream culverts, uh, they

56:18are in the process of, uh,

56:20there's a current construction

56:21project. It's our line and IV

56:23project. So the culvert under

56:25IV road and then McDougall are

56:27being, uh, upsized.

56:29So that project didn't have

56:30anything to do with this

56:31failure, necessarily. It's the

56:33same creek where it runs.

56:34So happened to be the next

56:36upstream.

56:36All right. Very good. Thank you.

56:45All right. Councilman Davis,

56:47thank you, Mr. Mayor. Question,

56:48sir.

56:49So, uh, I think Councilmember

56:51Monroe's pointed out the fact

56:52that it's going to be closed

56:53for 12 months. I think just

56:54like we talked about when we

56:55were talking about the Neville

56:56Street situation, how are you

56:58guys informing the residents

56:59within the area on the timeline

57:02and when it could be completed

57:04and all that kind of stuff?

57:05So fortunately, I won't say no

57:09one's impacted, but, uh, where

57:12the where the culvert is, um,

57:15everybody still has access to

57:16their driveways. There's a,

57:18there's a church to the right

57:19on the other side, I think

57:20there's one home. And then is

57:22it the I forget the name of the

57:24business. It's there to the

57:26left. Um, I mean, we have the

57:28road closed signs. Uh, it's on

57:30ways. I believe that the road

57:32is closed. Um, but as far as

57:34individual mailers to folks,

57:36we've not done that for this

57:37project.

57:39Okay. Thank you sir.

57:40All right. Um, so just had a

57:43question for you. Um, uh, the

57:46state accelerates some of their

57:49projects by putting a bid out

57:51to design it and construct it

57:53all at the same time. You don't

57:54have the delay of designing it.

57:56Then turn around and have to

57:57bid out the building. It. Have

57:58we considered employing this so

58:01that we can accelerate the

58:02expedite this work?

58:04Um, so we we did consider

58:06doing, uh, design bid. Um,

58:09excuse me, design build. Um,

58:11but, uh, that would still have

58:13to go through an RF, p process.

58:18Um, we have an engineer, uh, on

58:20our on call that we can go

58:22ahead and mobilize, uh, as soon

58:24as we get the go ahead. We

58:25don't have to do an RFQ for

58:26that. We have it from our own

58:28call list. Um, so I think the

58:31the time, the line and at that

58:32time for this would be about

58:34the same if you did a design

58:35bid or design build versus.

58:36So so I understand you got the

58:37engineer but his work is going

58:39to be can you go back to that

58:40timeline. So his work is going

58:41to be 6 to 8 months for the

58:43design. Right? Then you have to

58:45turn around and prepare an RFP

58:46based on his plans. Send that

58:48out. And that's about what now

58:51I've seen RFP drag.

58:543060 days to put it out to bid.

58:58We move an RFP that fast. Okay.

59:00So 60 days okay. And then

59:03they've got 30 days to answer

59:04it or some time frame to answer

59:06it. Then it comes back in. And

59:07then what happens after that?

59:09Uh, for this project, we would

59:11it would be a formal bid. We'd

59:13have to take it to council to

59:14get the award.

59:16So. So because we've got it,

59:17engineered it, we're used to

59:18using or that I guess it's kind

59:21of on call, which I don't

59:22really understand that. I guess

59:23you're using it for

59:24qualifications or because his

59:25service is under a certain

59:26amount. How are you able to do

59:27the engineer service without

59:29submitting it?

59:30We we have an on call service

59:32with a multitude of engineers

59:34that they've already kind of

59:35been pre-qualified for certain

59:36things, and stormwater design

59:39was one of them.

59:40So they don't offer, uh, the

59:41ability to give a bid to design

59:44it and to have it built.

59:46The way the RFQ was done, it

59:47was not done as a design build.

59:50I get that. Yeah. So now I'm

59:51trying to cover if this is a

59:53process change that can be

59:54considered so that we could

59:55expedite some of this, um, you

59:59know, because you're talking 12

1:00:00months, right? So if I live in

1:00:01and around this area, that's a

1:00:02long time for me. If I can cut

1:00:04it down by three months, that's

1:00:05better than 12 months. So I get

1:00:07some. I'm asking. I know it's

1:00:08not what we used to do. And I

1:00:10just heard, you know, this is

1:00:12used it D.O.T. level. I heard

1:00:14them use that a lot. And it

1:00:16said that it cuts down on some

1:01:22Also provide consensus to

1:01:24proceed with the capital

1:01:25Project ordinance to initiate

1:01:27the design. Sorry for repairs

1:01:29of Santa Rosa. My computer went

1:01:31out. Thank you. All right.

1:01:33Motion back. Councilmember

1:01:36Davis seconded by. I think

1:01:38Hodges beat you there.

1:01:39Councilmember Ferguson. All

1:01:40right. Discussion Council look

1:01:43to you for your vote.

1:01:45Councilmember McMillan. Green.

1:01:49All right. All right. Thank

1:01:51you. Thank you, Mr. Reeves. All

1:01:53right. Council 6.03. Starfish

1:01:55Street lighting subdivisions.

1:01:57You're back.

1:01:58Yes, but only briefly. Um, I

1:02:01just want to make an

1:02:02introduction. At the end of

1:02:03last calendar year, we had the

1:02:04pleasure of welcoming Ben

1:02:06Shepherd, who is a retired

1:02:07lieutenant colonel from the

1:02:08military. Uh, we are glad that

1:02:10he is a leader inside of our

1:02:11organization and a leader for

1:02:12the city. And he has, in his

1:02:14short time here, also become

1:02:15the expert in street lighting.

1:02:17And so with that, I'll turn it

1:02:18over to Ben Shepherd.

1:02:19All right. Good to see you,

1:02:20Carmen. Welcome.

1:02:21Thank you very much, ladies and

1:02:23gentlemen. Uh, as Brian said,

1:02:25I'm going to cover street

1:02:26lighting update. I'm also going

1:02:27to throw it back to Byron at

1:02:28the end. Um, I'm going to try

1:02:29to give you the overview and

1:02:31kind of the one big problem

1:02:32that we're that we don't have a

1:02:33funding solution for right now.

1:02:34And then Byron is going to talk

1:02:35through the funding

1:02:36alternatives that we'd like

1:02:37council to consider. Um, and

1:02:42okay, so this is kind of my my

1:02:43overview current challenges

1:02:45slide. And I'll start with, um,

1:02:47our ordinance does delineate

1:02:49residential versus thoroughfare

1:02:51street lighting. Conceptually,

1:02:53we don't think it has enough

1:02:54detail that, um, we're that's

1:02:57that's why we're coming back

1:02:58to, to council right now

1:03:00because we don't have a funding

1:03:01solution for new residential

1:03:03areas is ultimately what I'm

1:03:04going to get to. Um, just as an

1:03:06overview for thoroughfare

1:03:08streets that connect multiple

1:03:09neighborhoods or connect a

1:03:10neighborhood to an arterial

1:03:12street or freeway. Um, that

1:03:13process is known. There's an

1:03:15existing CIP that we use to

1:03:17fund new installation,

1:03:19installation of new

1:03:20streetlights on unlit

1:03:21thoroughfares. And then the

1:03:23city pays the monthly service

1:03:25fee for all of those

1:03:26thoroughfares. Um, on the

1:03:27residential side for a new

1:03:29residential subdivision. Uh,

1:03:31that process is well known

1:03:32because it's captured in the

1:03:33developmental process. The

1:03:35developer pays the installation

1:03:36cost, and then once they're

1:03:38turned on, the the lighting fee

1:03:40for those residences are

1:03:42charged as a surcharge on the

1:03:44individual residential lighting

1:03:45bill. Um, the second bullet or

1:03:48sub bullet that I have here is

1:03:49the two utility companies and

1:03:50two MCs that service our area

1:03:52have varying design,

1:03:53installation and billing

1:03:54processes. And so while that's

1:03:56understood conceptually and we

1:03:57don't think anyone's like

1:03:58taking advantage of that, we

1:04:00can't see that detail in all of

1:04:01those bills. And the design and

1:04:03installation process is a

1:04:04little different for for each

1:04:06of them. Um, we're also

1:04:08continuously looking at um, and

1:04:10reassessing that thoroughfares.

1:04:12Um, and so I'm not sure when it

1:04:13was last presented to council,

1:04:15the definitive list of these

1:04:16are our thoroughfare streets,

1:04:17but that's what we're prepared

1:04:18to present today. And then also

1:04:20tell you what, which of those

1:04:22thoroughfares are currently

1:04:23unlit and which ones we're

1:04:25prioritizing for, for new

1:04:26lighting. Um, and then the, the

1:04:29kind of request that has driven

1:04:30most of this research and

1:04:32conversation over the last 6 to

1:04:338, eight months is a fairly

1:04:34small residential area,

1:04:36Windover Place, that's out at

1:04:37Rockfish and King. Um, and like

1:04:39I said, it's fairly small. Um,

1:04:41but however it happened. It did

1:04:44not get lights when it went in

1:04:45as a new development. And it

1:04:47also happens to have

1:04:48underground power. So it's

1:04:49quite a bit more expensive to

1:04:51go back and put lights in that

1:04:52area. And so digging into that

1:04:54request and adjudicating

1:04:56whether or not the city should

1:04:57pay for that has driven a lot

1:04:58of this larger conversation and

1:04:59research. When I get down to

1:05:01installation, I've covered some

1:05:02of this new residential

1:05:03developments, understood that

1:05:05the developer pays that cost,

1:05:06that CIP, existing CIP that we

1:05:09have for new thoroughfare

1:05:10lighting projects, currently

1:05:12sits at about $530,000. And

1:05:16like I said, the kind of

1:05:17elephant in the room. What I've

1:05:18highlighted in red there is

1:05:19that when we uncover a

1:05:22residential area that is not

1:05:23lit, it's existing somehow. It

1:05:26wasn't included when it was

1:05:27developed. We don't have a

1:05:28funding solution for that.

1:05:29There's not something in the

1:05:30ordinance that says this is how

1:05:31we pay for residences, where we

1:05:33find no lights because they

1:05:35weren't put in by the

1:05:35developer. And then general

1:05:37considerations. It's typically

1:05:39a year to 18 months to do a

1:05:40lighting project. Um, dot

1:05:42encroachment involved in most

1:05:44of them. And then the cost

1:05:45varies widely. And that's

1:05:46largely, like I said, about

1:05:47whether the power is

1:05:48underground or if they're

1:05:49existing wood poles, that they

1:05:50can just put a mast arm in an

1:05:51LED on, um, the first sub

1:05:54bullet at the bottom there. The

1:05:56utility and MCs maintain the

1:05:57infrastructure. This is

1:05:58understood by all. If a pole

1:06:00gets knocked down, that utility

1:06:01company or EMC is going to

1:06:03replace that when they have to

1:06:04replace LEDs. So the city is

1:06:05not on the hook for any of

1:06:07those costs. And then just a

1:06:09rough order of magnitude down

1:06:10there at the bottom across

1:06:12those for two utility companies

1:06:13and two EMC is the city pays 14

1:06:16bills every month. And so an

1:06:17average of for the current

1:06:18thoroughfares. We're paying

1:06:19about $37,000 a month for a

1:06:22total of close to half $1

1:06:23million a year for the

1:06:24thoroughfare lighting. Right

1:06:25now. All right. This next

1:06:27slide. Uh, there's there's a

1:06:28whole lot of stuff on here. And

1:06:29I'll tell you, this is just a

1:06:31screenshot from North Carolina

1:06:33dot. Um, so, you know, engine

1:06:37engineering states, you know,

1:06:39the classification of roadways,

1:06:40freeways, principal and minor

1:06:42arterials, and then major and

1:06:44minor collector roads and

1:06:45anything below that is

1:06:46considered a local road. I said

1:06:48earlier that we haven't come to

1:06:49council and said, this is our

1:06:50list of thoroughfare streets.

1:06:52Are we good with that? What I'd

1:06:53like to propose is that we just

1:06:55go with the dot functional

1:06:56classification that's listed

1:06:58here. So anything that is

1:06:59considered a freeway, an

1:07:00arterial or a collector road,

1:07:03we consider a thoroughfare

1:07:04street for the purposes of

1:07:05street lighting. And that's

1:07:06that's the list of all these

1:07:08that are, that are in front of

1:07:09you. What I have on the lower

1:07:10left, there are roads that are

1:07:12not considered, um, collectors

1:07:15arterials or freeways, but that

1:07:16we think the city should light

1:07:18because they should be

1:07:19thoroughfare streets, because

1:07:20they collect multiple, uh,

1:07:22connect multiple neighborhoods

1:07:23or connect a neighborhood to an

1:07:24arterial street. The ones that

1:07:26I've highlighted in Green Roxy

1:07:27filter Plant, Graham and

1:07:29Plymouth already have lights.

1:07:31So including them doesn't

1:07:32doesn't cost us anything else.

1:07:34Dundee Road, which I've

1:07:35highlighted in yellow there we

1:07:37would recommend we include it

1:07:38as a thoroughfare street even

1:07:39though it's considered a local

1:07:40road by Dot. Um, and it's

1:07:42yellow because we it is

1:07:44currently in design um with

1:07:46Duke Energy. So it's, it's

1:07:48probably six months into that

1:07:4912 to 18 month process. They've

1:07:51proposed a design to us, and

1:07:52we're looking at it right now.

1:07:53And then Grimes Road is the

1:07:54only one that I would recommend

1:07:56we add as a thoroughfare street

1:07:57that Dot classifies as a local

1:07:59road that is not lit currently.

1:08:01And so we would look to, um, to

1:08:03figure out how to pay for that

1:08:04with the CIP in the coming

1:08:06years. Okay. And this is just a

1:08:09graphical depiction of what I

1:08:10had on the last slide. This is

1:08:11where all of those thoroughfare

1:08:13streets are. And, and uh, by

1:08:15classification with obviously

1:08:17the, the freeways highlighted

1:08:18in blue and pink and then

1:08:19working our way down to the

1:08:20local roads. So what is unlit

1:08:23of everything from that

1:08:24previous slide, the ones that

1:08:25are, that are called out in

1:08:27black here are the ones that

1:08:28are currently unlit. And so you

1:08:29can see the the entirety of

1:08:31295, all of the all American

1:08:33Freeway and all of MLK freeway

1:08:35are currently unlit. Um, and so

1:08:37I have along the left side of

1:08:39this, this display is um, by

1:08:42that North Carolina dot

1:08:43functional classification that

1:08:44I mentioned on the last slide.

1:08:45So this is not necessarily the

1:08:48order that we would recommend.

1:08:50We use the CIP money to do

1:08:52them, but it's by that dot

1:08:53classification. Um, and then

1:08:55I'll kind of get into how we

1:08:57developed a cost estimate for

1:08:58what this is going to cost us

1:08:59in the next couple of slides.

1:09:01But ultimately at the bottom,

1:09:02you can see we've got 56 miles

1:09:04of unlit thoroughfare streets

1:09:06that we we need to get lit as

1:09:08soon as we can. And then what I

1:09:10have here again, kind of just

1:09:11peeling it back, these are the

1:09:12ones that are currently in the

1:09:14process. Like I said, we have

1:09:15multiple projects that are

1:09:16either in the design

1:09:17installation phase. Um, and so

1:09:19these are the existing ones

1:09:21that fill in some of that, but

1:09:22only six and a half miles of

1:09:24the unlit thoroughfares right

1:09:26now. So then this slide is our

1:09:29best, um, estimate as what is

1:09:32it going to cost, um, to, to

1:09:34light all of these

1:09:35thoroughfares. And we use two

1:09:37of our current case studies. So

1:09:38Rim Road is currently under

1:09:40design with Lumbee River. Um,

1:09:41and it's a fairly budget

1:09:43friendly case because their

1:09:45existing wood poles there. Um,

1:09:47and so the estimate for that

1:09:492.1 mile stretch is $60,000, or

1:09:52about 28.5 per mile. Um,

1:09:54Windover place that I mentioned

1:09:56earlier is a relatively

1:09:57expensive case because it's all

1:09:58underground power requires a

1:10:00lot of trenching. Um, and so

1:10:02the estimate that we have from

1:10:03Duke for it is $117,000 for

1:10:06only about 3500ft. So we use

1:10:08kind of a low, you know,

1:10:10conservative, conservative

1:10:11estimate. Um, on the lower

1:10:13case, 28,500 per mile to as

1:10:16expensive as about $175,000 per

1:10:19mile, and then overlay that on

1:10:20what I pulled on on this slide

1:10:22over on the right is that same

1:10:2356 miles of unlit

1:10:25thoroughfares. Um, and if we

1:10:27assume we make some bold

1:10:28assumptions and say if we

1:10:29wanted to light all of those

1:10:30freeway miles, it would be on

1:10:31the more expensive end,

1:10:32probably $175,000 per mile to

1:10:35light the freeways. And then

1:10:37all of the surface streets, the

1:10:38arterials and collectors, we

1:10:40would estimate, would probably

1:10:41be on the lower end. Uh, the

1:10:42majority of them already having

1:10:44wood poles. Um, and so we put

1:10:45together this, this estimate

1:10:47here, 3.3 million for all of

1:10:49the freeway miles and 849,000

1:10:52for the non freeway miles. The

1:10:54very bottom of this slide is,

1:10:56is what that means in terms of

1:10:57additional monthly service fee.

1:10:59Because like I said, the city

1:11:00pays $37,000 a month currently,

1:11:02um, for the 220 miles of

1:11:03thoroughfare streets. And uh,

1:11:05and that will increase to about

1:11:0763,000 per month if we were to

1:11:09do all of these thoroughfares.

1:11:10Um, so again, nothing for

1:11:13decision. Um, this is really

1:11:14for information for Council on

1:11:16the thoroughfare streets. And

1:11:17then I will I will move into

1:11:19the residential portion. Um,

1:11:22this this is just a screenshot

1:11:24from our GIS layer, and it has

1:11:26a couple of different things.

1:11:27The background colors is the

1:11:29utility service providers.

1:11:30Right? So, so Duke Energy has

1:11:32everything in the northwest and

1:11:33some of some down to the south.

1:11:35Lumbee River is the pink and

1:11:36purple kind of coming in from

1:11:37the southwest. And then PwC has

1:11:39the majority of the area within

1:11:41the city limits. All of the

1:11:43little blue smudges or areas

1:11:45inside there are individual

1:11:46residential subdivisions that

1:11:48are named subdivisions. And so

1:11:50we were able to just look at

1:11:51each subdivision, either drive

1:11:53it or look at it on on a Google

1:11:54Street view. As long as it was

1:11:56only a couple months old and

1:11:57turn it blue when it had

1:11:58streetlights. And so the the

1:12:00good story here is everything

1:12:02that's in blue is an existing

1:12:04residential area that already

1:12:05has lights and and we don't

1:12:07have to worry about it. The 6

1:12:08or 8 that you can see mostly on

1:12:10the west side of the city, that

1:12:11are like a lime green color,

1:12:13are the existing residential

1:12:14areas similar to Wendover Place

1:12:16that don't have lights? And so

1:12:17we don't have a funding

1:12:19solution. You know, if there

1:12:20were lights there tomorrow,

1:12:21magically, we know that the MCs

1:12:23are going to pay. They're going

1:12:24to be paid by a surcharge, but

1:12:26we don't have a funding

1:12:27mechanism to do the

1:12:28installation of new lights in

1:12:29these areas. Um, of note,

1:12:31Windover place that I mentioned

1:12:32at the very, very bottom of the

1:12:33slide, the kind of triangular

1:12:35largest green area there is,

1:12:37Wendover Place. So it's one of

1:12:39the largest ones left. Um, and

1:12:40as I move to the next slide,

1:12:42it's by far the most expensive

1:12:43because all of the other areas

1:12:45have existing wood poles. Um,

1:12:47so this is um, I think this is

1:12:49the last slide I have before

1:12:50Byron talks about the funding

1:12:52options. Um, but this is what

1:12:54we do not have a funding

1:12:56solution for. You know, the

1:12:57first part of what I said, the

1:12:58thoroughfare, street lighting.

1:13:00We have 530,000, but we have

1:13:03several million of unlit

1:13:04thoroughfares. We're still

1:13:05prioritizing. And we're going

1:13:06to get to, um, this is what we

1:13:08don't have a solution for,

1:13:09which is these seven unlit

1:13:11residential neighborhoods. Um,

1:13:13that need to get lit like the

1:13:15rest of the residential

1:13:16neighborhoods. And so if

1:13:17there's no questions for me,

1:13:18I'll let Byron go next. Yes,

1:13:20sir.

1:13:22I have a question. Y'all want

1:13:23to do it before Byron? Because

1:13:25you probably have some for

1:13:26Byron. All right. We'll we'll

1:13:29run them. We also had, uh,

1:13:31council. Uh, mayor pro tem, uh,

1:13:32and then Councilman Harry

1:13:34Hondros.

1:13:35Yes. I wanted to thank you for

1:13:37the presentation and for the

1:13:38information. And I'm glad that

1:13:39you specified that you was

1:13:42differentiating the residential

1:13:44from the thoroughfares. Uh,

1:13:45that's good that we all know

1:13:47that. And we're. That funding

1:13:48come from. Uh, but what I want

1:13:49to emphasize is most of those

1:13:52cases that you described of

1:13:53those seven community

1:13:54neighborhoods, they're all in

1:13:55the southwest part of

1:13:56Fayetteville, and they were all

1:13:58annexed into the city. So it's

1:14:00not like a developer was going

1:14:02to plan to put street lighting

1:14:03in there. They were in rural

1:14:04areas before they were annexed.

1:14:06Uh, I believe when annex

1:14:09started in 2005, 2006, we told

1:14:13them these things that we were

1:14:14going to do to make sure they

1:14:15was equivalent to the rest of

1:14:16the community. That is a

1:14:18failure on the city, on what we

1:14:20did not do, and that we should

1:14:21have been doing. Uh, we talk

1:14:24about our priorities as being a

1:14:27safe and secure community. You

1:14:30can't leave out southwest

1:14:31Fayetteville when you talk

1:14:32about that priority. You want

1:14:34to talk about funding. They

1:14:36have been annexed since 2005,

1:14:39and this is just a low

1:14:41estimate. Out of those 30 homes

1:14:43in Wendover who have paid over

1:14:45$3 million in taxes, and we're

1:14:48talking about 175,000 to give

1:14:51them street lighting. But we'll

1:14:52talk more about that when Byron

1:14:53come in. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1:14:54Sir. Councilman here.

1:14:57I was expecting those questions.

1:15:01Uh, the unknown, the unknown

1:15:06part that you mentioned. Is it

1:15:07Mr. McGill?

1:15:08Uh, Sheppard, sir?

1:15:09Sheppard.

1:15:10Okay. Mr. Sheppard. Um. Because

1:15:16the. The contractor did not

1:15:21develop and put the lights in

1:15:23at the beginning of the

1:15:24contract or the beginning of

1:15:25the development. You said that

1:15:28there's no funding resource for

1:15:31those particular lights to be

1:15:33installed now. Why? Why is it?

1:15:37Well, let me ask you this, then.

1:15:40Are the contractors responsible?

1:15:45In the beginning.

1:15:47They are, sir.

1:15:48And question.

1:15:49Yes, sir.

1:15:50Question. Then if that be the

1:15:53case, why isn't it now? I know

1:15:56it's somewhat after the fact

1:15:59and the development is there

1:16:01that the contractor is still

1:16:03not. Um, responsible.

1:16:06Yes, sir. And I probably

1:16:08misstated that earlier. That's

1:16:09that's Mayor Pro Tem point is

1:16:10that these seven that are

1:16:12remaining, that are not lit.

1:16:13It's not because we didn't hold

1:16:15a development or a developer

1:16:16accountable. It's that they

1:16:18were developed before they were

1:16:19annexed. And so then once they

1:16:21were annexed in, they they

1:16:23don't have city street lights

1:16:24because the developer wasn't

1:16:26didn't have to meet city

1:16:28standards at the time that they

1:16:29were developed. So they were

1:16:30essentially grandfathered. So I

1:16:32don't think there are

1:16:32developers out there who we

1:16:34need to go hunt down because we

1:16:35didn't we didn't charge them

1:16:37correctly initially.

1:16:38Right.

1:16:38It's a very good question.

1:16:40Sure. Well. All right. Um,

1:16:43Councilmember Hondros.

1:16:45Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you

1:16:47for the presentation, Colonel

1:16:48Sheppard. Can you put the, um,

1:16:50the, uh, thoroughfare list back

1:16:52up that you had? Yes, sir. That

1:16:54slide. So none of 295 is lit.

1:17:01The interchanges are. So there

1:17:03are individual accounts for the

1:17:05high mass lighting. Um, at the

1:17:08city doesn't pay for all

1:17:10American and Bragg. The city

1:17:11pays for and maintains, uh,

1:17:13Murchison, MacArthur and

1:17:16Ramsey. But along the main

1:17:18line. No, sir. There aren't any

1:17:19lights past Canopy Lane.

1:17:21Gotcha. Um, thank you for that.

1:17:24This is a great list, Mr.

1:17:25Mayor. When we talk about

1:17:26thoroughfares and, um, and, uh,

1:17:29right away, clean up, that's

1:17:30the list right there. Um, thank

1:17:33you, sir, I appreciate the

1:17:34presentation. Yes, sir.

1:17:35All right. Uh, question. Um,

1:17:37kind of floated this to to the

1:17:40manager and to mayor pro tem. I

1:17:42mean, I've, I've this has been

1:17:43an ongoing even when, uh,

1:17:45probably two representatives

1:17:47ago for district eight. Um, you

1:17:49know, and, Mister Manager, I

1:17:50have a question. I remember

1:17:52before, maybe a few budget

1:17:53cycles ago, we put money in the

1:17:55budget toward, um, streetlights

1:17:59for thoroughfares, didn't we?

1:18:00Yes, sir. And when Bob Brown

1:18:02comes up, he'll be able to show

1:18:04you if, uh, Ben hasn't already.

1:18:07Um, it's about 400, $500,000 a

1:18:09year, and we're. I think that's

1:18:11what we talked about this

1:18:12morning.

1:18:13Uh, the the CIP account is

1:18:14currently at 530. Um, I think

1:18:17we add 200 ish.

1:18:19Does that does that include

1:18:20what you're paying the

1:18:22providers, or is that for

1:18:23installation of.

1:18:24The CIP is just for

1:18:26installation, and then we're

1:18:27paying that 445 K annually as

1:18:29the monthly service fee.

1:18:30And then I had a second

1:18:31question. Now PwC is a part of

1:18:33their payment in lieu of taxes

1:18:36used to not charge us for the

1:18:38thoroughfare lighting. Has they

1:18:39changed that position?

1:18:42Um, we can can check check on

1:18:46that. Um. Uh, but there is

1:18:49there's there's two things at

1:18:52play here. Um, and I make this

1:18:53very brief. One is thoroughfare

1:18:55street lighting, which, um, we

1:18:58have offered, uh, will offer to

1:19:00the thoroughfares. And then the

1:19:02other is the residential

1:19:03component, the note that I've

1:19:06been asking staff members, many

1:19:07of whom who were not here back

1:19:09in 2004 and five, is that we've

1:19:11got to pull out that annexation

1:19:12service plan. I don't know that

1:19:14residential street lights in

1:19:16the neighborhoods were part of

1:19:18that, because Doctor Harris

1:19:20left, but we actually went

1:19:23through a whole plan of talking

1:19:24about whether you put one light

1:19:26per three houses in the

1:19:28residential areas at some point

1:19:30in time after the annexation.

1:19:32Um, but there are two parts,

1:19:34one, the 400, $500,000 we just

1:19:37mentioned about the CIP. That

1:19:38is for thoroughfare lighting.

1:19:40It is no money included in the

1:19:43budget of the CIP for the

1:19:44residential lighting

1:19:46installation.

1:19:46Right. I'm tracking you there.

1:19:48And so I guess my question was,

1:19:51um, you know, to to Mayor Pro

1:19:54Tem point, uh, whether the.

1:19:57The.

1:19:57The 20 year old agreement for

1:19:59annexation talked about it

1:20:01because it didn't talk about

1:20:02fire hydrant bringing those up

1:20:04to city recommendations in the

1:20:06in the distance. It's a matter

1:20:08of, of equity to me that, you

1:20:11know, if we brought an area in,

1:20:13uh, you would expect over two

1:20:14decades that it brings

1:20:16everything up to the even

1:20:17playing field. So I guess that

1:20:19would probably be more of a

1:20:20policy decision. And I think

1:20:21you you touched on my other

1:20:23point was, uh, for the

1:20:25thoroughfare lighting, if if

1:20:26some of the infrastructure bond

1:20:28funds were you were available

1:20:30to be used simply because, uh,

1:20:31you smiling. So I might be

1:20:33getting ahead of my skis. So

1:20:34let me let me get out of the.

1:20:36Get out. Get out of that. I'll.

1:20:37I'll hold my question to then.

1:20:38Thank you. Colonel.

1:20:39Yes, sir. Thanks.

1:20:44All right.

1:20:45So I'll discuss a couple policy

1:20:48options about potential ways

1:20:51that we could fund, uh, these

1:20:53residential streetlights. Um,

1:20:55so if you just look at

1:20:56streetlight installations,

1:20:57they're they're just like any

1:20:58other type of street

1:20:59improvement. So it's the same

1:21:00logic behind paving, installing

1:21:02curb and gutter on a strip

1:21:04paved road, or installing

1:21:05sidewalks where you don't have

1:21:06sidewalks. So it is a it is a

1:21:08street improvement. Um, so I've

1:21:11broke it out into three

1:21:12different options, and there's

1:21:13a lot of overlap between these

1:21:14three different options. But I

1:21:15just I broke them out in three

1:21:16different three different

1:21:17options just for for clarity,

1:21:19we've got a charter option, an

1:21:21ordinance option and a project

1:21:23option. And so I'll go in a

1:21:24little more detail in the next

1:21:25couple slides. But the current

1:21:27constraints with a little bit

1:21:28of what we've been discussing,

1:21:29you've got two different type

1:21:30of costs. You've got your

1:21:31capital costs and your annual

1:21:32operations costs. Street lights

1:21:34are not power. Bill are not a

1:21:36power bill. Eligible

1:21:38expenditure. So the source of

1:21:40funds for any type of street

1:21:42lights are going to come from

1:21:43the general fund. Um, and as

1:21:45we've been mentioning, there's

1:21:47currently there is no capital

1:21:48or operating funding, uh,

1:21:50currently appropriated for

1:21:52residential streetlights. So

1:21:54we'll jump into the the three

1:21:55options here. The first one

1:21:57I've called it. There are

1:22:00currently no capital or

1:22:02operating funds currently

1:22:04appropriated for residential

1:22:05streetlights.

1:22:06So the only way you can get

1:22:07street lighting is to take the

1:22:08money out of general funds.

1:22:09What you're saying.

1:22:09That's that's how you fund most

1:22:11projects and the transportation

1:22:13fund. Yes.

1:22:14All right.

1:22:15So we've got the charter

1:22:16option. So without doing

1:22:18anything in your city charter,

1:22:20you have a special assessments.

1:22:22And in this under the special

1:22:24assessments there's a specific

1:22:25section for lighting

1:22:26improvements as well as the

1:22:28annual assessments for

1:22:29maintenance and operation of

1:22:30lighting improvements. So what

1:22:32what do these special

1:22:33assessments allow? Council can

1:22:35order street lights and

1:22:36improvement with or without a

1:22:37petition? Um, the cost can be

1:22:39assessed to the properties that

1:22:41benefit from the improvement.

1:22:42So if my property benefits from

1:22:44the streetlight being

1:22:45installed, then the city can

1:22:46assess me. That cost. Um, you

1:22:48could also do the annual

1:22:50assessments to cover excess

1:22:51maintenance and operation

1:22:52costs. There is precedent for

1:22:53the city doing this. Back in

1:22:550708, Council used no petition

1:22:58assessments to pave soil

1:22:59streets. So you had the sole

1:23:01streets. They were paved. And

1:23:03then afterwards, after the city

1:23:04paved the streets, they went

1:23:06back and assessed the property

1:23:07owners based off of the fee

1:23:08schedule. Um, so if council

1:23:10wanted us to pursue that

1:23:12action, um, basically we would

1:23:13have to do a resolution,

1:23:15prepare assessment rolls. You

1:23:17hold public, you hold public

1:23:18hearings because it's you're

1:23:20doing it without a petition.

1:23:21You may have some of these

1:23:22neighborhoods that don't want

1:23:23street lights. You would then

1:23:24adopt a fee schedule, and then

1:23:26you would have to dedicate that

1:23:28upfront capital funding.

1:23:32Secondly, you've got an

1:23:33ordinance option. So you would

1:23:35have to amend the current

1:23:37chapter 24 uniform Street and

1:23:38Thoroughfare Lighting

1:23:39ordinance. So this text

1:23:41amendment you would have text

1:23:43amendments that establish a

1:23:44formal petition process that's

1:23:46consistent with general

1:23:47statute. Basically 50% plus one

1:23:50would petition the city to put

1:23:51street lights in. Um, again,

1:23:54the residents petitioned the

1:23:55city, um, for the street lights

1:23:57within their unlit

1:23:58neighborhood. If it's approved,

1:24:00the cost of the improvement

1:24:01could be assessed to the

1:24:02benefiting property owner. So

1:24:03again, if I if I'm benefiting

1:24:05from the street light, I'm the

1:24:06one paying for it. Uh, the

1:24:07process is community driven

1:24:09rather than initiated by the

1:24:10city like you have in the, um,

1:24:13charter option. Uh, but this

1:24:15result creates a clear,

1:24:16consistent, and predictable

1:24:18pathway for residential street

1:24:20light. Request. It also

1:24:22establishes the defined process

1:24:23for evaluating, approving,

1:24:24funding, and implementing those

1:24:26street improvements. Uh, so if

1:24:27council wanted us to, to move

1:24:29forward with this, we would

1:24:30draft the necessary text

1:24:32amendments, adopt a fee

1:24:33schedule, and then if we

1:24:34receive petitions from these

1:24:36neighborhoods, uh, we would

1:24:37adopt a resolution, prepare the

1:24:39assessment role, hold public

1:24:40hearings, dedicate that upfront

1:24:42capital.

1:24:42Funding.

1:24:43Lastly, I've got what I call a

1:24:45project option, which basically

1:24:47we would just create a

1:24:48dedicated residential CIP

1:24:50that's modeled after the

1:24:51thoroughfare streetlight CIP.

1:24:52So we already have a dedicated

1:24:54CIP for Thoroughfare street

1:24:55lights. We would just create a

1:24:57dedicated residential street

1:24:59light CIP. Under this funding

1:25:01model, the city would fund 100%

1:25:03of the capital cost for that

1:25:04installation. Um, if it's not

1:25:07put in a surcharge, the city

1:25:09would assume the ongoing

1:25:10operation and maintenance for

1:25:11this as well. Um, and then

1:25:12there would be no assessment to

1:25:14the individual property owners.

1:25:16The trade offs to this, though,

1:25:17and this would apply to the the

1:25:19charter in the ordinance option

1:25:20as well because there's no

1:25:21there's no current funding

1:25:23appropriated. This adds an

1:25:25ongoing demand on the

1:25:26transportation fund. So council

1:25:28would then have to have their,

1:25:29you know, resource allocation

1:25:31decisions on where do you put

1:25:32that general fund money that

1:25:33goes into the transportation

1:25:34fund? Do we fund sidewalks? Do

1:25:36we fund bike lanes? Do we fund

1:25:38improvements to our our

1:25:39bridges? Do we do additional

1:25:41paving? There's one way

1:25:42connectivity projects. These

1:25:44residential street lights are

1:25:46going to be. I don't want to

1:25:46say they'll be in competition

1:25:47with those other projects, but

1:25:49it would be up to council to to

1:25:51decide where the best place

1:25:52those resources. Again, timing.

1:25:54This would also apply to the

1:25:56charter and the ordinance

1:25:58option. We would have to do an

1:26:00appropriation, uh, through the

1:26:02FY 28 CIP, uh, and then funding

1:26:04would be considered through

1:26:05that normal CIP and budget

1:26:06process. So if this was the

1:26:08direction Council would want us

1:26:10to take, uh, we would create a

1:26:11CIP for consideration in the FY

1:26:1328 budget process. And we would

1:26:15also do some text amendments to

1:26:17clean up some of the language

1:26:17in the ordinance. So next

1:26:19steps, if council.

1:26:21, um.

1:26:21Sees an option that they would

1:26:22like to pursue, uh, we could

1:26:24move forward with the charter

1:26:25option where you would direct

1:26:26staff to draft the resolution,

1:26:28prepare assessment roles, and

1:26:29bring a fee schedule for

1:26:31adoption. If you want us to

1:26:32move forward with an ordinance,

1:26:34you could direct staff to draft

1:26:36a draft. The necessary text

1:26:37amendments and bring that fee

1:26:39schedule for adoption. Or if

1:26:41you want to go the project

1:26:42route, you could direct us to

1:26:43prepare CIP for the FY 28

1:26:46budget. Or you could take no

1:26:47action at all and maintain the

1:26:48current approach.

1:26:49Where there's, um.

1:26:50There's no new residential

1:26:51street like program. Um, again,

1:26:54I want to stress options one

1:26:55through three currently have no

1:26:57funding appropriated to.

1:26:59Support it.

1:27:00Um, so the selected approach,

1:27:01um, whichever one you guys

1:27:03would like to move forward

1:27:04with, we would further develop

1:27:06that with specific

1:27:07implementation steps, funding

1:27:09requirements and timelines. So

1:27:11with that we'll answer

1:27:12questions.

1:27:12Thank you sir. Uh, about here,

1:27:14you had your light on for some

1:27:16explanation. Before we get into

1:27:18questions. Sure. That was old

1:27:19okay. All right, mayor Pro Tem.

1:27:20Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Byron,

1:27:22help me understand two things.

1:27:25One is we're talking about

1:27:28seven communities that don't

1:27:30have street lighting. If we

1:27:32decided or if they decided that

1:27:33they want a street lighting, it

1:27:34wouldn't be a need for

1:27:35ordinance anymore because we

1:27:36can no longer annex correct.

1:27:46We approached him on the

1:27:48annexation question and

1:27:51voluntary annexation is not

1:27:54outright prohibited. It's just

1:27:56a lot to do it. So, um, we we

1:27:59do still, as municipalities

1:28:02have the ability to annex. It's

1:28:04just that the legislature made

1:28:06it a little more difficult to

1:28:07do. Um, but I wanted to at

1:28:08least address the annexation

1:28:10part. I'm not sure about the

1:28:11other part of the question.

1:28:13Well, I'll just move on to my

1:28:14next question then. Uh, I think

1:28:16the Colonel will describe that

1:28:17the one expensive community was

1:28:20wind over at $177,000, and the

1:28:24other communities was less than

1:28:2570. So if we were to fund all

1:28:28seven communities, if that was

1:28:30their desire, we're talking

1:28:31about less than a half $1

1:28:32million.

1:28:33I think it was less than that.

1:28:35It's probably less than that.

1:28:36I'm just figures off the top of

1:28:37my head. Yeah, we have one.

1:28:39It's less than that. It's

1:28:41200,000. Mr. manager, if we

1:28:44were to take $200,000 out of

1:28:46the general fund, would it even

1:28:47change our percentage of our

1:28:49general fund?

1:28:54Negligible.

1:28:55If it did, it'd be 0.00%. Point

1:29:011% rather.

1:29:02Well, one of the things, um,

1:29:03mayor pro tem and again, not to

1:29:05I know this is a is a very

1:29:07tricky subject. Um, we, um, uh,

1:29:10it is something that you could

1:29:12find. We'd probably say would,

1:29:14uh, would work with Taylor and

1:29:15others to say, given the time

1:29:17of year that we're in right now

1:29:19and the projects we already

1:29:20have under design, we probably

1:29:22ask you all to prioritize

1:29:24those, and we would start

1:29:25working with Duke. Um, and I

1:29:28think there's a longer lead

1:29:29time on some of those.

1:29:30Well, let me just say where I'm

1:29:31going with this mismanagement.

1:29:34Our previous presentation about

1:29:36Stanford Road just talked about

1:29:38how they just found $300,000 on

1:29:41previous projects. That's more

1:29:43than enough to take care of all

1:29:44seven of these communities. I

1:29:47don't see how community that

1:29:48has been waiting for almost 25

1:29:49years for street lighting, have

1:29:51to wait for another year for us

1:29:53to go to the budget session to

1:29:55fund $200,000.

1:30:00So Mayor Pro Tem to that point,

1:30:02um, you know, of course, as we

1:30:03we get into money, money gets,

1:30:05uh, we're going to need an

1:30:08extensive amount of time to get

1:30:09into money. Uh, here, here's

1:30:11the interest that I have, that

1:30:14all of our annexed

1:30:17involuntarily annexed areas get

1:30:21brought up to the same standard

1:30:22as everybody else. So. And I

1:30:24know we have some some pockets

1:30:26here, and I know that this is

1:30:27not directed to you. It's just

1:30:28a general statement. So I think

1:30:30there's an interest. You find

1:30:31it I think as it relates to if

1:30:34a, you know, because really

1:30:36you've got to look at the

1:30:36previous presentation for Stamp

1:30:38Road, um, the money they found

1:30:40was out of an enterprise fund

1:30:41that was set aside for the

1:30:42specifics of that. Right. You

1:30:43know, this would be a little

1:30:46different if it came from

1:30:47general Fund. My point is, is

1:30:50that let's look at, you know,

1:30:52and I think the only reason I'm

1:30:53saying this is because you you

1:30:55kind of threw this out there to

1:30:56say that if you take this money

1:30:58out of the bond fund and some

1:30:59other project now is competing

1:31:01for resources, which is

1:31:03technically true. However, with

1:31:06the the amount of the money,

1:31:10it's it's not a real impact

1:31:12because we have, have and

1:31:15continue to get and I hope

1:31:16we're applying for some of the

1:31:17safe streets money the D.O.T.

1:31:19has and some of the sidewalks

1:31:21and the crosswalks that there's

1:31:22a lot of available funding that

1:31:24they have that I want to make

1:31:25sure we leverage. That has not

1:31:26been factored in. When we

1:31:27allocate or appropriate these

1:31:29dollars to say that we're going

1:31:30to put, you know, 500,000 for

1:31:32sidewalks. And if we get a

1:31:33grant for 200,000, then that we

1:31:34don't go back and amend it.

1:31:36What we do is leverage the

1:31:37money. That's right. So I think

1:31:39that we can find a way to

1:31:41creatively deal with it. But I

1:31:43think the premise of everybody

1:31:45here, not only the western

1:31:46side's representation, but I

1:31:47think most of this board feels

1:31:49that we want to make sure that

1:31:50that West Fayetteville gets

1:31:52everything that, that the rest

1:31:53of the city has. And just like

1:31:55we advocate for Murchison and

1:31:56East Side as well. So, um, I

1:31:58think we can solve that, but I

1:31:59don't know if it'll get solved

1:32:00today.

1:32:01So let me finish my question

1:32:02before you finish. So according

1:32:04to these options and you talked

1:32:05about the project option last,

1:32:07if we fund 100%, are you saying

1:32:10that you're not going to assess

1:32:11the private ownerships for the

1:32:13daily or the monthly

1:32:14maintenance of the street

1:32:15lighting?

1:32:15So the the how I had this

1:32:18project option written, it

1:32:20mirrored the thoroughfare

1:32:21street lights, which we put up

1:32:23the capital cost. And then our

1:32:25operating funds would have to

1:32:26cover if it wasn't covered in a

1:32:28surcharge to the. And I think

1:32:30it depends on the the utility

1:32:32provider. Um, we would have to

1:32:34do the ongoing operation and

1:32:37maintenance, but no, this would

1:32:38the project option would not

1:32:39seek assessments.

1:32:41Gotcha.

1:32:42From property owners.

1:32:43But option two would correct.

1:32:46The ordinance option. Yes we

1:32:48would. You'd have to you'd have

1:32:49to establish a fee schedule

1:32:51because you don't currently

1:32:52have a fee schedule. You know,

1:32:53you've got a fee schedule for,

1:32:55um, paving a paving of Solar

1:32:56Street. You've got a fee

1:32:57schedule for installing

1:32:59sidewalk. You don't have a fee

1:33:00schedule for, uh, residential

1:33:02streetlights. So you'd have to

1:33:03establish that fee schedule.

1:33:04And that wouldn't be hard to do

1:33:06with a limited number of

1:33:07individuals we're talking

1:33:08about. Correct.

1:33:09Uh, we'd have to come back with

1:33:10some options for what that fee

1:33:11schedule is, whether it's a per

1:33:13linear foot basis or you divide

1:33:15it by each benefiting property

1:33:17owner. That would be councils.

1:33:19We could give you options, but

1:33:20that would be council's

1:33:22direction.

1:33:25Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1:33:26All right. Uh, Council member

1:33:29Hondros.

1:33:30Well, I had a different

1:33:31question, but now that we're

1:33:32talking about fee schedule. So

1:33:33you're talking about assessing

1:33:35the property owners for the

1:33:37streetlights that we're talking

1:33:38about putting in.

1:33:40Uh, through the through the

1:33:42charter option and the

1:33:43ordinance option. You would you

1:33:45would assess the benefiting

1:33:46property owners.

1:33:48Not for the not for the

1:33:50information, just for.

1:33:51No, you would you would you

1:33:53would do it for the

1:33:53installation capital. The

1:33:55capital cost.

1:33:57Yeah. That's that. So I know

1:34:00there was an issue or there was

1:34:02a challenge with certain

1:34:04utility providers for the

1:34:05ongoing once once the capital

1:34:07project is done and the

1:34:08streetlights are installed. Um,

1:34:10you know, typically PwC who

1:34:12does most of the city, they,

1:34:13they charge a surcharge on

1:34:15everybody's electric bill.

1:34:17Right. Some of the other

1:34:18utility providers may not do

1:34:19that. So how can we compel them

1:34:22to do that? Or if it's their

1:34:25policy, they they're just not

1:34:27going to do it.

1:34:28Uh, I'm not sure how to.

1:34:30And then this would be, I

1:34:32think, maybe more of a attorney

1:34:33and or um, CFO question

1:34:36couldn't we if the utility

1:34:38company is not going to do it,

1:34:39create a municipal service

1:34:41district and charge them for

1:34:43the streetlights, the ongoing

1:34:45maintenance that way. So where

1:34:48everybody else pays it on their

1:34:49utility bill, they're paying it

1:34:50through an MSD.

1:34:53Uh, Councilman Hondros for the

1:34:55MSD, it requires, um, providing

1:34:58a service for a need that's

1:35:00greater than the rest of the

1:35:02city.

1:35:02Right. So the the rest of the

1:35:04city is paying a surcharge on

1:35:05their utility bill. Their

1:35:07utility provider won't do that.

1:35:09So the the additional service

1:35:11they're getting is, is the

1:35:12lighting and they're paying for

1:35:14it, um, instead of paying for

1:35:15it on their utility bill,

1:35:16they're paying for it through

1:35:17MSD.

1:35:18Potentially because the statute

1:35:20outlines for what you can, you

1:35:23create an MSD for it. So I'd

1:35:25have to.

1:35:25Check that. It's consistent.

1:35:27Thank you. Is there a way to do

1:35:28that or we do. We need a

1:35:29special action to do that. Um,

1:35:33my initial question in our

1:35:36cecum there is um, the

1:35:38PowerPoint presentation you all

1:35:40share today. But there's also

1:35:42one from like 2019. Is it

1:35:44possible to get that on here

1:35:46where everybody can see it?

1:35:48Um.

1:35:54Yeah, it's file number 18. Dash

1:35:58555.

1:36:01Okay.

1:36:04Yeah.

1:36:24It's like the Lumbee River or

1:36:26South River. It's not Pete MC

1:36:31or Duke, or it might be Duke.

1:36:33Hell out on it. Um. That's the

1:36:39one we're looking. So is that

1:36:40one? Yeah. The 18-5, five,

1:36:42five. So. If we go to slide.

1:36:48In the bottom.

1:36:56Starting with slide seven

1:36:59eight. Nine has a list eight

1:37:03nine are maps nine and ten are

1:37:07lists. And then finally getting

1:37:10the slide 11. Uh. I think

1:37:16you've passed it.

1:37:18What's the title of the slide

1:37:20that you're trying to direct us

1:37:22to?

1:37:22It just says update for Unified

1:37:25Street Light plan. You know,

1:37:29you just you were about to get

1:37:29to it. I think you're going the

1:37:32wrong way. Right there. So that

1:37:39that's kind of the opening.

1:37:41Then if you scroll down the way

1:37:42you were going. So this stuff

1:37:44was discussed in February of

1:37:462019. What how do we find out

1:37:48what, if any, action council

1:37:50took to Mayor Pro Tem point?

1:37:55Um, because there's a summary

1:37:58with some costs. This stuff, it

1:38:00seems like it would have been

1:38:02put into the CIP back in 2019.

1:38:05Did we not do that?

1:38:06It was good.

1:38:08If you go down past background,

1:38:09you'll get to a funding slide.

1:38:11If you go to the cam.

1:38:12There it is right there for

1:38:13cost and then fundings right

1:38:14below it. So did did did we not

1:38:17include that in our CIP plan?

1:38:18If we did that in a five year

1:38:20plan from 2019, we'd be

1:38:22finishing up this year,

1:38:23wouldn't we?

1:38:24So that is a that is the

1:38:25thoroughfare street lights. So

1:38:27the, the, the, the 540,000 of

1:38:30available budget. Uh, Ben was

1:38:32talking about that's that's

1:38:34that project.

1:38:35Gotcha. So then the, the

1:38:36residential because they were

1:38:38kind of grandfathered in, built

1:38:39to county standards, not city

1:38:41standards. I guess those

1:38:44communities didn't formally

1:38:46request streetlights. Maybe.

1:38:48Anyway, I think it's time we

1:38:50put it in the CIP plan. So I

1:38:52don't know. Is there a action

1:38:54we have to take tonight to

1:38:55direct staff to come up with

1:38:56the CIP plan to include these?

1:39:00Yes, we'll get to that.

1:39:01Okay.

1:39:01Thank you. Questions.

1:39:04All right. Uh, Councilmember

1:39:06McMillan. Um.

1:39:08Yeah.

1:39:10Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh,

1:39:12I appreciate this conversation.

1:39:15I appreciate all the inputs.

1:39:17And, Colonel, thank you for the

1:39:18thoughtful, thorough

1:39:19presentation of information and

1:39:22the packaging of some solid

1:39:24options. I have a, um, a

1:39:27question and then a comment,

1:39:30but I want to leave with the

1:39:31question on assessment and

1:39:34option two. Uh, and really want

1:39:37to understand what the

1:39:38penalties would be for

1:39:39residents who are not able to

1:39:42pay the assessment. Uh, and if

1:39:45that could lead to lien or

1:39:46foreclosure or for any of the

1:39:48the residents involved. And

1:39:52I'll pause here for anybody

1:39:54that can answer that question.

1:39:55Yeah. Councilmember McMillan, I

1:39:56think what we were trying to

1:39:58get to was a, um, a funding

1:40:01approach. Uh, you know, the

1:40:02first he gave three options. I

1:40:04don't know if it popped on your

1:40:05screen, but, uh, I don't think

1:40:07it's been a, uh, a. concession.

1:40:10If we're getting to the

1:40:11conclusion that that's the

1:40:13route that we're taking. I

1:40:14think that's what, uh, was

1:40:15still being worked out.

1:40:18Okay. Yeah, I can say, even if

1:40:20we haven't spoken about it yet,

1:40:21would would not be in favor of

1:40:24anything that, uh, would put

1:40:26residents on the hook. Uh, 25

1:40:28years later in a way that put

1:40:30their house at risk or or put

1:40:31them at risk of lien. Uh, also

1:40:35just want to say this, this is

1:40:36a safety issue. I definitely

1:40:39understand, uh, my my neighbors

1:40:41and human would be interested

1:40:43in the residential portion of

1:40:44this and have heard plenty

1:40:46about the dark side of, uh,

1:40:47room road over in, uh, in

1:40:50district seven. And understand

1:40:52they're they're tuned in to

1:40:53this conversation as well. Uh,

1:40:55I am in favor of something that

1:40:57allows us to revisit, uh,

1:41:00prioritization, uh, of of these

1:41:03projects, um, and something

1:41:05that allows us to really

1:41:06examine fiscal year 28, uh,

1:41:08funding. Um, also would like

1:41:12to, um, also mention that when

1:41:14we have these prioritization,

1:41:17uh, conversations on, on CIP

1:41:20funds, especially, uh, in terms

1:41:22of finding money, uh, I also

1:41:25got to remember there's people

1:41:27in Bone Creek waiting for us to

1:41:29find money. They've been

1:41:30waiting for about 20 years. Uh,

1:41:32folks on Hook Loop also, uh,

1:41:34would love to be bumped up in

1:41:35priority, but I. I'm in favor

1:41:37of a thorough discussion. Uh,

1:41:39that allows us as a as a

1:41:41council to have consensus on

1:41:43prioritization. And for this to

1:41:45be one of those, those

1:41:46prioritized efforts that allows

1:41:48us to correct some wrongs, um,

1:41:50and appreciate the space to say

1:41:52that.

1:41:53All right.

1:41:53All right. Thank you. Sir. Uh,

1:41:56Mayor Pro Tem, you had your

1:41:57like. And then we'll try to.

1:41:58Thank you. Mr. Mayor. Byron, I

1:42:00want to know, is there a way

1:42:02that we can pay for it? The

1:42:06installation pay for the

1:42:10maintenance and the use and

1:42:12assess the community

1:42:15individually at the end of the

1:42:17year for reimbursement?

1:42:19Well.

1:42:20Well, two, two things. So the

1:42:22question to your to your

1:42:23question.

1:42:24There, we pay for the

1:42:24installation.

1:42:25Right now I'm following you

1:42:26there. So the the the

1:42:28complication that I understood

1:42:30you to have is some of the

1:42:31utility providers will not give

1:42:34individual bills, but only one

1:42:36bill. So like a homeowner.

1:42:37And give that one bill to the

1:42:38city instead of giving it to

1:42:40the resident. Because what Duke

1:42:42wants you to do is Duke wants

1:42:43you to form an HOA, right? In

1:42:45order for you to get street

1:42:46lighting. Communities are not

1:42:47forming HOA these days. No

1:42:49more.

1:42:49Yeah, yeah.

1:42:50So they need a single source

1:42:51because they don't do

1:42:52individual residents anymore.

1:42:53So can that single source be

1:42:54the city?

1:42:55So your question is, at the end

1:42:56of the year, there'll be a

1:42:58shore up that's added to the

1:43:00assessment. Correct. Kind of

1:43:01like when Duke comes in and.

1:43:02Get well, you could do it

1:43:03monthly if they have the means

1:43:04of doing it monthly, like my

1:43:05mother.

1:43:05Could do. They can do it either

1:43:07monthly.

1:43:07But I'm, you know.

1:43:08I mean, it's only I think mine

1:43:10is $3 or 50 or $4.50 one or the

1:43:13other. But monthly or yearly or

1:43:15biannually.

1:43:16I just wanted to answer the ask

1:43:17a question. Uh, I mean, uh,

1:43:19clarify your question, Mr.

1:43:21Byron.

1:43:22Is it possible, Byron? Because

1:43:26that's not one of your options.

1:43:29So there you go.

1:43:30I would say under under the

1:43:32charter option. So if you look

1:43:33at the city's charter, uh,

1:43:35under article two, special

1:43:37assessments, section 7.22, uh,

1:43:41there is a paragraph that says

1:43:43annual assessments for

1:43:44Maintenance and operation of

1:43:45light improvements. So I would

1:43:47my interpretation is, is your

1:43:48charter says you can but I'm

1:43:49not.

1:43:50So we can do it. And it would

1:43:51be annually. Madam attorney.

1:43:52I don't I'm not sure that Mr.

1:43:55Reeves understands your

1:43:56question. You're asking if the

1:43:58city can be the account holder.

1:44:02Correct.

1:44:02For these residents. When we do

1:44:04the streetlight installation,

1:44:07and I don't think there would

1:44:09be anything prohibiting that.

1:44:10Um, just be another customer.

1:44:13The city. Be the customer.

1:44:16So that would be my proposal

1:44:18and my motion. Mr. Mayor.

1:44:21All right, so before we get

1:44:22there, just to because we've

1:44:24had a robust discussion. So

1:44:26this would be for the staff to

1:44:27come back with options that

1:44:29included that. If there's a

1:44:31consensus that.

1:44:32Follows that, I think that is

1:44:33the only option. If I can get a

1:44:34consensus from council, Mr.

1:44:35Mayor.

1:44:36Right. Gotcha. All right.

1:44:37Um, Mayor pro tem question is,

1:44:41what is the same line of

1:44:42thought? What prompted my

1:44:43question about the MSD earlier?

1:44:45So in lieu of an HOA, because

1:44:47the community may not want to

1:44:48establish HOA just for

1:44:50streetlights, the city becomes

1:44:52the account holder and we

1:44:53charge them back annually for

1:44:55the streetlights and the MSD.

1:44:57It's just a way of.

1:44:59I guess what she's saying is

1:45:00that there are certain rules

1:45:01that go with the MSD, but the

1:45:02premise is the same. You sent

1:45:04out an assessment to get the

1:45:05money back.

1:45:07, right?

1:45:08Because I still feel as though

1:45:09they need to pay for their

1:45:10street light like everybody

1:45:11else pays for their street

1:45:12lighting, but they shouldn't

1:45:13have to pay for the

1:45:13installation when nobody else

1:45:14paid for the installation.

1:45:16We're in alignment. Thank you,

1:45:17thank you. And I'll second

1:45:18that. If there's not a second.

1:45:20Motion and proper second, uh,

1:45:22that the option to be visited

1:45:24was explained. Mister Byron.

1:45:26Uh, and the clerk got plenty of

1:45:28notes to clarify that.

1:45:30All right. One clarification,

1:45:32Mr. Mayor, do we need to

1:45:33discuss the funding part to

1:45:34make the put this in a motion?

1:45:35I think I think I think that

1:45:36will probably come back for

1:45:37another day, too. So basically,

1:45:39now that you've given it to

1:45:39them, they'll come back with

1:45:40the numbers because money's

1:45:42going to take it's going to be

1:45:43a whole meeting by itself. I

1:45:46mean, I'm just trying to.

1:45:47Get us.

1:45:48The good news. We're going to

1:45:49do strategic planning in

1:45:50October and November, right? So

1:45:52it'll be here before we know

1:45:53it.

1:45:54Yeah. Yeah. But I think once

1:45:55you get it, then I think we

1:45:57come back and say, these are

1:45:58your options.

1:45:59Right here.

1:45:59Yeah. All right, all right.

1:46:01Council center for the question

1:46:02I look to you for your votes

1:46:02for that.

1:46:04You say.

1:46:05Sir. Oh.

1:46:09Uh, Councilmember McMillan.

1:46:12Bring. All right.

1:46:15Who are we missing?

1:46:16Oh, okay.

1:46:17All right. Motion carries. So

1:46:18thank you, Mr. Reeves. Thank

1:46:19you. Uh, team all right, 6.04.

1:46:24Uh, city Council policy

1:46:26recommendations. Who's the

1:46:34presenter of that? Okay. Policy

1:46:39committee. Thank you, mayor.

1:46:41Pro Tem. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1:46:42I was trying to catch up

1:46:43because I had my iPad for the

1:46:46previous item, but these are

1:46:48the policies that has been

1:46:49updated through the, uh, policy

1:46:50Committee. Uh, I am the chair.

1:46:52My colleagues is, uh, doctor

1:46:54Hair. Uh, Doctor Jones, doctor

1:46:59Ferguson, and I'm sorry, doctor

1:47:03hair. Doctor Ferguson and

1:47:05council member Hondros is on

1:47:06the policy committee. And these

1:47:08are the items that we talked

1:47:09about and brought back for

1:47:10updates. Some are deleted and

1:47:12Alliance and some are

1:47:14additions. I hope everybody had

1:47:15a chance to read. The first one

1:47:17is 51 50.1, which is the water

1:47:20and Sewer utility assessment.

1:47:22If you go down to item three,

1:47:24those are the items that was

1:47:25lined out. If you go to number

1:47:26four in green, those are the

1:47:28items that were added. And

1:47:33that's for an update for June

1:47:3411th, 2026. And I'll take any

1:47:42questions for that item before

1:47:43I move to the next one. Mr.

1:47:49mayor, if there's no questions,

1:47:50I can move to the next item.

1:47:52155.2 which is disposal of

1:47:54property value less than

1:47:56$30,000. This was brought back

1:47:582 or 3 times to bring some

1:48:00clarity. Council member

1:48:02McMillan, uh, suggested that we

1:48:04do the advertisement of these

1:48:06items. Uh, on the social media

1:48:09platform so everybody will get

1:48:11an opportunity to look at it.

1:48:12And these are the items that

1:48:13are added in red, and it's just

1:48:15one. And that's the advertised

1:48:18item on sale on gov deals.com

1:48:22for a one time cost. And I'll

1:48:27take any questions pertaining

1:48:28to that item. Mr. mayor. And

1:48:32lastly this item 155.6 and that

1:48:36is the real property lease.

1:48:37These are the the line items

1:48:38that we have added. Uh, there's

1:48:41quite a few. We want to make

1:48:42sure that we clarified any

1:48:44ambiguity that was in the

1:48:45policy. Uh, and that is also in

1:48:48blue.

1:48:54Right.

1:48:55If there's no questions on that

1:48:56item, that concludes, uh, the

1:48:58updates, Mister Mayor.

1:48:59Thank you. Thank you.

1:49:00Uh, so, um, not looking for any

1:49:03action on this or this will

1:49:04come back as a.

1:49:05Uh, on.

1:49:05Consent agenda. Yes, sir.

1:49:06Mr. mayor. All right, Council,

1:49:07any questions for this to come

1:49:09back on consent? All right.

1:49:11Sounds good. Thank you. Policy

1:49:12committee. Great work. All

1:49:15right. Council moving to, uh.

1:49:17Now we're at the point where

1:49:19our council member request, uh,

1:49:22ten minutes be given for

1:49:24presentation of each item. Um,

1:49:27and, uh, 6.05 will start with

1:49:30me. So I guess Miss Jennifer,

1:49:32take the clock.

1:49:33Um.

1:49:35This particular item Council,

1:49:37uh, I'd like to introduce for

1:49:39your consideration. Um, we have

1:49:41a, um. I think it is a policy

1:49:44that needs updating. As to the

1:49:47lighting in our in our parks,

1:49:49uh, since, you know, and I'm

1:49:51not sure when the last time

1:49:52it's been updated, I think

1:49:53Michael was in the third or

1:49:54fourth grade. Was it? But, um,

1:49:57but we have added, uh, a lot of

1:49:59assets to our Parks and rec

1:50:01and, uh, done a phenomenal job

1:50:03with creating, uh, skateboard

1:50:05parks, tennis centers, uh,

1:50:07fields. And now, uh, we still

1:50:09have the sports complex. We

1:50:10have a lot of, um, of, uh,

1:50:13citizens that utilize these

1:50:15assets, which is the purpose.

1:50:17And I get a lot of inquiries

1:50:19about why we can't extend the

1:50:21hours right now. The lights

1:50:22turn off at dark. Um, and so in

1:50:25the wintertime, that's 5:00 in

1:50:27the summertime, that's 8:00,

1:50:30um, or 830. And the question

1:50:33was, uh, can we review the

1:50:34policy and see if there's a way

1:50:36that we can, uh, maybe have

1:50:38extended an extended hour or

1:50:40two in certain places? Um, and

1:50:42so the, the ask today was to

1:50:44maybe let policy and also work

1:50:46with staff to come back with

1:50:48what that looks like, to add

1:50:49some additional time on some of

1:50:51the, uh, the heavier used, more

1:50:53demand areas so that we can

1:50:55continue to encourage use in

1:50:56it. Um, it was given to me a

1:50:58couple of times that, uh, you

1:51:00know, some were familiar with,

1:51:02with places in wake. County

1:51:03Kerry was brought up a couple

1:51:04of times for tennis or soccer.

1:51:06And, uh, so it was just

1:51:08something up that asked for us

1:51:09to consider revision of that.

1:51:11So any questions?

1:51:12Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

1:51:13So you're saying depending on

1:51:16the use of the park, a

1:51:19particular part on how long it

1:51:22stays open and how long, um,

1:51:25well, I guess the lights will

1:51:26be coming on depending on if

1:51:28they're pickleball or tennis

1:51:30courts or anything else where

1:51:32they need lights. So the only

1:51:34thing we would be doing is

1:51:36adjusting the lights.

1:51:37The time.

1:51:38Right now.

1:51:39All the time. But I'm saying

1:51:40also some also receive lights.

1:51:43I don't know if the lights are

1:51:44going to stay on all night.

1:51:45No no no no no.

1:51:46No no I'm saying so we'll be

1:51:47looking at the lights and the

1:51:48time.

1:51:49So I think, I think the, the

1:51:50time that the lights are on.

1:51:52Uh, and so in other words right

1:51:54now, Michael, what's our

1:51:56current policy if you. If you

1:52:00remember.

1:52:05He knows about parks.

1:52:08Good afternoon.

1:52:09Council mayor.

1:52:10Sir.

1:52:10Uh, currently, right now.

1:52:12Um, the if.

1:52:13You're in the Parks and.

1:52:14Recreation program. and we got.

1:52:17Football going on. So we

1:52:18practice kids.

1:52:19Or practice or soccer. They'll

1:52:20practice from normally 630.

1:52:22To about 830 9:00. So the.

1:52:24Lights will be on for people in

1:52:26the program. You have.

1:52:27Rental environments.

1:52:28Where people come and rent the

1:52:29lights $25 an hour. They rent

1:52:31the fields. Generally, that's

1:52:34the way the program is run that

1:52:35if you're at the tennis center,

1:52:38um, they can request and we can

1:52:40leave the lights on pickleball,

1:52:42we can leave the lights on. I

1:52:44think what the mayor is asking

1:52:45council to consider is a

1:52:47general policy so that those

1:52:50the requests don't have to come

1:52:51in our heavy use areas. We just

1:52:53leave them on from whatever

1:52:55dawn is for a couple hours.

1:52:57Yeah. So that was just want to

1:52:59make sure I understood. So you

1:53:01I think you said the same

1:53:02thing. So the heavy use use

1:53:05ones would be extended. Yes,

1:53:07sir, but not across the board.

1:53:09No, they would be by request.

1:53:11No. Hold on. Let me take that

1:53:11back. I think that's what the

1:53:12mayor is asking.

1:53:14Is that what you're adding?

1:53:15It is. I didn't want to have

1:53:17council change. A blanket

1:53:18policy change for areas that

1:53:20are underutilized and may not

1:53:21need it because that that runs

1:53:23additional expense. But this

1:53:25analysis will say, hey, you got

1:53:26heavy use at this place, this

1:53:28space and this place. Uh, and,

1:53:30and it makes it available. And

1:53:31then people may let's say it's

1:53:33pickleball. They know that the

1:53:34Tokay would have extended

1:53:35hours. And so a pickleball

1:53:37player that that couldn't make

1:53:38it to one of the other ones

1:53:39could consider Tokay. So that

1:53:40was the kind of analysis, data

1:53:42driven. Data driven. Yeah.

1:53:44I understand..

1:53:47Let me add one thing, Mr.

1:53:48Mayor.

1:53:48Yes, sir.

1:53:49It is data driven, but it's

1:53:51also competitive. We want to be

1:53:54the sports hub here in

1:53:55Fayetteville. If we want to

1:53:56win, we got to make sure we

1:53:57have our residents, has

1:53:58availability to all these

1:53:59centers, uh, in a timely manner

1:54:01when they need to. So when they

1:54:02do have these pickleball

1:54:03tournaments or tennis

1:54:04tournaments, they will come out

1:54:05and win. But that's a bigger

1:54:07conversation that we'll have in

1:54:08policy, man.

1:54:08Thank you. All right. So

1:54:10Council, just um, if there are

1:54:11no further questions, I'll look

1:54:12to you for your vote. And this

1:54:13will send us the policy and

1:54:14work with, uh, Parks and Rec.

1:54:17On that.

1:54:18All right, Miss Jennifer, can

1:54:21you clear it? Okay.

1:54:24Councilmember McMillan.

1:54:27Green.

1:54:28All right, all right. Thank

1:54:29you. Council. All right.

1:54:30Council, moving to the next

1:54:31item is Councilmember McNair.

1:54:33I'll turn it over to you,

1:54:34ma'am.

1:54:41Thank you, Mr. Mayor. On this

1:54:44item, I am asking for a request

1:54:48research on how to encourage or

1:54:50compel, compel owners, compel

1:54:53owners, and, um, private

1:54:55streets in parking lots to be

1:54:59repaired. And what this is

1:55:02about is I proposed to city

1:55:04staff to study private streets

1:55:05and parking areas. Actually, I

1:55:07sent you guys an email out

1:55:09earlier. You can go back and

1:55:10check these kind of lengthy, so

1:55:12I won't be reading that. So it

1:55:14areas to see, uh, who owns them

1:55:16and how well they're kept. Come

1:55:19back with um, clear, simple

1:55:22ideas to fix or manage them. So

1:55:25emergency services stay fast

1:55:28and safe. And so streets are

1:55:29fair. Um, for everyone. Um,

1:55:32what would happen? Um, staff

1:55:34will, um, make a complete list

1:55:37of private streets, parking

1:55:39areas. Who owns them and their

1:55:42conditions. Check. Which laws

1:55:45applies to um, and the roofs.

1:55:49Um, that should change if rules

1:55:51should change. Create different

1:55:53ideas, incentives, rules, and

1:55:56small pilots with rough costs

1:55:58and timelines. Um, talk to

1:56:01people who are affected. Our

1:56:04asking um staff bring back a

1:56:08full policy plan in the by the

1:56:11month of December 2026. Okay,

1:56:16let's talk about why it

1:56:17matters. Um, so important. Um,

1:56:20streets are privately owned and

1:56:22not well maintained, which can

1:56:24slow emergency responders and

1:56:27city work. Um, the city needs a

1:56:30clear plan. We do not have. Um,

1:56:35what will be delivered? A

1:56:38report on ownership and

1:56:39condition. Notes on relevant

1:56:42law. Several policy ideas with

1:56:45costs and timelines. A plan to

1:56:47engage stakeholders.

1:56:50Consideration on how to

1:56:51implement a fund. Uh, and fund

1:56:54any plan. I already talked

1:56:57about a timeline. Um. December

1:57:012026. Cost. Let's talk about

1:57:04cost for now. Mainly planning

1:57:06and analysts. If a program

1:57:10moved forward later, they could

1:57:12be ongoing cost, but no big

1:57:15upfront spending yet. Risk and

1:57:23how they, um, would be handled.

1:57:25Legal issues involved the city

1:57:27attorney, early public

1:57:29opposition do proactive

1:57:31outreach, budget limits based

1:57:34decisions on solid data.

1:57:36Consider pilot implementation.

1:57:40Use a step by step plan with a

1:57:43clear lead department and next

1:57:47step start data collection and

1:57:51legal scoping. Now create draft

1:57:54policy ideas and outreach plan

1:57:57in 4 to 8 weeks. Meet with

1:58:01stakeholders and prepare for

1:58:03December briefing. And this is

1:58:07my presentation and asking you

1:58:10guys for any questions. I

1:58:11think, and I have emailed you

1:58:13all, you can go back and the

1:58:15emails a little lengthy with

1:58:16more details. So if you have

1:58:18any questions now, uh, asked

1:58:21uh, the city attorney, uh.

1:58:23I don't think we can get any

1:58:24more details than that. That's

1:58:25the detail. All right. You do

1:58:26have a couple questions.

1:58:27Councilmember. Uh, green and

1:58:29hair? Uh, yeah. Hair and green.

1:58:32Thank you. Mayor. Um, I, I do

1:58:36understand this. I really do, I

1:58:38do understand, at least with

1:58:40the parking portion, maybe even

1:58:43some lighting, but especially

1:58:44especially parking portions,

1:58:46because I have turned some

1:58:48items in, uh, in some

1:58:50commercial areas. But at the

1:58:53same time, um, I do appreciate

1:58:58all the details that you gave.

1:59:00They very much needed. I would

1:59:03love to see us to move with, um,

1:59:08patience and guidance

2:00:01Like what? You're. I'm having a

2:00:03hard time following. Exactly. I

2:00:07mean, are we talking about

2:00:08something? Like what we were?

2:00:11What was brought to our

2:00:11attention off Bragg Boulevard,

2:00:13where the old King Theatre was,

2:00:15where it was a private street

2:00:18that everybody utilized as a

2:00:19public street because the owner

2:00:21allowed it. Or are we talking

2:00:23about something different? I'm

2:00:25just a little bit confused. I

2:00:26want to make sure I understand.

2:00:27I can give you an example of a

2:00:30particular street, Albert

2:00:32Cross, Strickland Bridge.

2:00:34You said Strickland Bridge?

2:00:35Yes. Apple crossed off the

2:00:38chicken bridge. Yes. Is that a

2:00:39private street? It's got a

2:00:40green.

2:00:40Sign that private owner is, um.

2:00:44Yes, sir.

2:00:44That's true.

2:00:48No, that's one of the streets.

2:00:51That's a good example.

2:00:52Okay.

2:00:52That's a good. That's another

2:00:53good one, too.

2:00:54Yeah. So I've been dealing with

2:00:57that since 2022. Um, the

2:01:01residents there and.

2:01:02Y'all here out. Wow. Well, I

2:01:05was.

2:01:05Going. Do I get three more

2:01:06minutes?

2:01:07No. So I was trying to trying

2:01:08to see. Did Councilmember Green

2:01:10get her question? Answer

2:01:11because you got it.

2:01:11I just gave an example.

2:01:13Tell you, Michael.

2:01:14I'm not familiar with that. So

2:01:16I'm still struggling a little

2:01:17bit. So I'm I guess I'm just

2:01:19trying to get in my mind what

2:01:22what the ask is specifically

2:01:25around. I get what she

2:01:26explained. I understand that

2:01:28I'm just trying to visualize.

2:01:29It. So, so so I think what

2:01:31you're saying is staff would

2:01:34analyze it and if it met a

2:01:35certain criteria, right. There

2:01:36are certain private streets

2:01:37rather than the one that I may

2:01:39have called Colvin Lane that

2:01:41runs to my backyard. It's only

2:01:43used by me versus something

2:01:45like Apple Cross that has a

2:01:46number of residents served. So

2:01:47you're asking for a

2:01:48differentiation?

2:01:49Yeah. We just don't have a

2:01:49count on how many streets an

2:01:51entire city.

2:01:52Yeah. And I thought we should

2:01:53because we we addressed this.

2:01:54We don't have any of this

2:01:55stuff.

2:01:56Okay.

2:01:57So I got one maybe that I'm

2:01:59familiar with and maybe

2:02:01Councilmember Hondros can help

2:02:03me, because this one's in his

2:02:05district. So, um, the street is

2:02:07right behind you. Is why I'm

2:02:09drawing a blank.

2:02:10Farm.

2:02:10Brook farm? Yes.

2:02:12What's the name of it? Fawn

2:02:14Brook.

2:02:15Off of Morganton. Route?

2:02:16Yeah, it's a private street,

2:02:18so. But I'm sure that trash

2:02:20trucks go down it and guard.

2:02:22You know, the sanitation goes

2:02:25down it.

2:02:25So that probably.

2:02:26So that's what we're talking

2:02:27about. Correct. Got it.

2:02:29Thank you. Emergency vehicles.

2:02:31All right.

2:02:31Uh,

2:02:32Councilmember Hondros and

2:02:33Jones.

2:02:34Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2:02:35Thank you. Um, Councilmember

2:02:36McNair. Um, I like it. I, I

2:02:40agree with, uh, Dean hair. Um,

2:02:44I can think of a lot of, um,

2:02:47examples where this would, if

2:02:50done right, have a positive

2:02:51impact. I could also think of,

2:02:53uh, if not done right. Um,

2:02:55where we can maybe, create a

2:02:59solution that's worse than the

2:03:01problem. Maybe. But my

2:03:04recommendation or my request of

2:03:06you, if you're willing to

2:03:07consider a friendly amendment

2:03:09because we all serve on the

2:03:10business economic development

2:03:12yourself, Dean, hair, myself

2:03:13and Council Member Davis to

2:03:16have staff look at it. But if

2:03:17we bring it through committee

2:03:18so the committee can work with

2:03:19staff and then we'll bring it

2:03:21back to council. Um, because,

2:03:24um, I think there's some, um, I

2:03:27think we can make some positive

2:03:28impact if we do it right again,

2:03:30because to your point, farm

2:03:31private streets if if the if

2:03:37the private street or property.

2:03:39That a minute you still got a

2:03:41Councilmember Jones.

2:03:42All right.

2:03:44All right. I didn't mean to cut

2:03:45you off, but yeah.

2:03:46Just this quick. Uh, just, um.

2:03:48What Councilman hair, uh,

2:03:50mentioned for me. I would just

2:03:51want to, uh, with the staff

2:03:53doing, if approved, to make

2:03:55sure that we definitely look at

2:03:57that, uh, private rights, uh,

2:03:59private property rights, uh,

2:04:01aspect and and really, really

2:04:02leverage that because, like I

2:04:03said, I can I can see some

2:04:05potential harm, but I

2:04:06definitely see the benefit in

2:04:07that. That's all I want to say.

2:04:08Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2:04:09All right. So, Councilmember

2:04:13McNair, I think.

2:04:13To respond to.

2:04:15Yeah, you got 26 seconds.

2:04:17Okay. Um, actually, I think I

2:04:21do believe that the community

2:04:23development and Revitalization

2:04:25Committee also, um, is looking

2:04:28at this can look at this. So I

2:04:31don't know which one would bump.

2:04:32We would have caused the bump

2:04:33heads with each other. What

2:04:36what's the deal on that.

2:04:37Well I think when you have it.

2:04:39Is that staff will assess it

2:04:41and categorize some that are

2:04:43more heavily used than others.

2:04:45You know, if city vehicles go

2:04:46back to service 25 residents,

2:04:48that's different than one. And

2:04:50so I think, you know, you've

2:04:51got public safety, you've got

2:04:53services. And so, um, you're

2:04:55asking us to get it to the next

2:04:56point, which is for them to

2:04:57report back. Exactly. Okay. All

2:04:59right. So council, um, say

2:05:01we've had discussion there. Uh,

2:05:02can we take a consensus vote to

2:05:05send this item to come back to

2:05:06us with a few options?

2:05:09I just actually.

2:05:11Did you want a policy you want

2:05:12to say? Yeah, I'm sure go to.

2:05:13Policy amendment. So Honduras

2:05:16did. that for me. You're good

2:05:17with that? Um, policy.

2:05:18Working with staff or council?

2:05:20Councilmember McNair, it's a

2:05:22it's your call. Did you.

2:05:22Want.

2:05:23It again, sir? Did you want a

2:05:24committee to read to analyze

2:05:26this, to working with staff, or

2:05:27did you want this to just go

2:05:28straight to staff policy?

2:05:30Probably to go straight to

2:05:31staff right now. So, I mean.

2:05:33Are they going to be the staff?

2:05:35Yeah, I think policy may let

2:05:38you work through some of the

2:05:39nuances. Committee though IT

2:05:40policies, policy.

2:05:41Oh, you're talking about

2:05:42businesses.

2:05:43Number. Yeah.

2:05:43Yeah yeah. No excluded us okay.

2:05:45I was talking about business

2:05:46economic development because

2:05:48Councilmember McNair is on

2:05:49there.

2:05:50Whichever way.

2:05:51Said it again.

2:05:52Uh, just need it. Just need to

2:05:53get to, uh, get some

2:05:55clarification. I don't.

2:05:55I don't think you're on policy

2:05:57committee. I was saying

2:05:58business economic development

2:05:59because Dean Haire, yourself,

2:06:01myself and Councilman Davis on

2:06:04business, economic development,

2:06:05that's the reason I suggested

2:06:06that.

2:06:07I don't I don't know that this

2:06:08only applies to businesses

2:06:10because it's going to be

2:06:10residential. So I think policy.

2:06:12Economic development.

2:06:12Right, right. But I think

2:06:14policy covers is a is an

2:06:16adjustment to the current.

2:06:18Can I get um.

2:06:19If you're if you're a.

2:06:20Call, I would like to get input

2:06:21from the city attorney and city

2:06:23manager on this one. Um,

2:06:26because it's getting a little

2:06:27complex here and it shouldn't

2:06:28be.

2:06:29What can.

2:06:30I. Okay.

2:06:31Um, we.

2:06:33Can, of course.

2:06:33Take it to.

2:06:34Any committee the council

2:06:36chooses. Um, this is likely

2:06:39going to be some type of

2:06:40assessment like you have in

2:06:42other areas of the policy

2:06:44committee is reviewed. Um, the

2:06:46some of the same considerations

2:06:48that came up in the last item

2:06:49about, um, uh, streetlights are

2:06:53going to be magnified here

2:06:55because unlike streetlights,

2:06:58um, where you have a private

2:07:00street, let's say apple, the

2:07:03owners are out of town and the

2:07:05tenants are local. And so how

2:07:08do you make improvements to

2:07:12that? A charge to the tenants,

2:07:13but not the owner and stuff. So

2:07:15we've got a got some

2:07:16substantial work we need to go

2:07:18through. Yes. We'll be happy to

2:07:20drop it to either one. Um, but

2:07:23when we've done this before and

2:07:24Byron covered some of this and

2:07:25we talked about paving of soil

2:07:27streets some time ago, a doctor

2:07:29here was on it at that time, I

2:07:30think, as well. Um, you've got

2:07:34to be able to state the public

2:07:35purpose and typically for like

2:07:37Applecross, those are

2:07:38apartments, I think, or condos.

2:07:40And I don't know that our trash

2:07:41trucks go down those, but

2:07:43again, we'd be happy to take a

2:07:44look at it. But um, uh, I staff

2:07:47can come back if there's some

2:07:49within 30 days with an outline

2:07:50and then y'all can decide. But

2:07:53policy, community, business.

2:07:55Is your request. Okay, so

2:07:57what's.

2:07:57Your policy?

2:07:58Okay. All right. So council,

2:07:59this is a vote for policy to

2:08:02review. And we'll come back

2:08:03with that recommendation. All

2:08:06right. Look to you for your

2:08:08votes. Who's working the

2:08:13boards. Okay. All right.

2:08:16Council member McMillan.

2:08:19Brennan. All right. Motion

2:08:21carries. Good job,

2:08:21Councilmember McNair. Uh, uh.

2:08:26This is hang on. You muted

2:08:28yourself, sir. Hold on.

2:08:31Well yeah. We'll recess this

2:08:34meeting and pick it back up at

2:08:368.0.

2:08:36This is almost a first.

2:08:38Well don't get to.

2:08:42Know. Just. Oh. Streetlight

2:09:19people that took, uh, no, the

2:09:24nine. Ten. City gets an account

2:09:45to do. We get a bill here, turn

2:09:47around and says that's. See

2:09:50what I got? That's what I hear

2:09:52from you. Could add to the

2:09:53surcharge, but then they also

2:09:58pay you back. So they probably.

2:10:08Yeah. Yeah, we'll get you

2:10:11covered. It's okay. It's for

2:10:14citywide campaign. City with

2:10:16the offering. I think.

4:16:05Well. Good evening. Good

4:16:06afternoon everyone. Or evening.

4:16:08We'll call our meeting back to

4:16:09order. We, uh, we're on recess.

4:16:13So we had the prayer and the

4:16:15Pledge of Allegiance at the

4:16:16beginning of the meeting. So,

4:16:18uh, council will pick back up

4:16:19where we left off this portion

4:16:21of our meeting includes, um,

4:16:25announcements and recognitions,

4:16:27which we have several, uh, very

4:16:29important guests in the

4:16:30audience tonight that we look

4:16:31forward to announcing and

4:16:32recognizing their presence. And

4:16:33so we'll we'll get to that. And

4:16:35so with that, uh, we will ask

4:16:38that mister Daniel Edwards and,

4:16:40uh, the director of Solid Waste

4:16:43and the assistant director and

4:16:44staff, uh, and spiffy would

4:16:46please come to the podium.

4:17:41The city of Fayetteville, Solid

4:17:43Waste Division launched its

4:17:44mascot contest on September

4:17:4816th, 2020, for inviting local

4:17:51K-12 students to help create a

4:17:54character that could make solid

4:17:55waste education more engaging

4:17:57and memorable. The contest

4:17:59received media coverage from

4:18:01WRAL and offered a $500

4:18:04scholarship to the winning

4:18:05student student Iris Yang's

4:18:07creation. Spiffy was selected

4:18:10as the winning design on

4:18:12February 10th, 2025,

4:18:14Fayetteville City Council

4:18:15recognized the contest top ten

4:18:18students who each received

4:18:19awards, with Iris receiving the

4:18:21scholarship as the overall

4:18:23winner. The announcement of the

4:18:25winning design. The

4:18:29announcement of the winning

4:18:30design also received coverage

4:18:31from WRAL. WRAL. Following the

4:18:35contest, spiffy began the

4:18:37transition from student created

4:18:39concept into an educational

4:18:41ambassador for the Solid Waste

4:18:43Division. The character was

4:18:45developed into a cartoon

4:18:47version and incorporated into

4:18:49the division's website.

4:18:50Outreach efforts. Creating a

4:18:52recognizable and approachable

4:18:54way to communicate with

4:18:56residents about solid waste

4:18:57services and environmental

4:18:59responsibility. Building on

4:19:01that foundation, the division

4:19:03took the next step in bringing

4:19:05spiffy from screen to scene by

4:19:07transforming the character into

4:19:08a full sized mascot. Spiffy

4:19:11will support community events,

4:19:13school visits, and educational

4:19:15programs while helping

4:19:17communicate important messages

4:19:19about proper waste disposal,

4:19:20recycling, illegal dumping, and

4:19:22community pride. What began as

4:19:24a student's vision has now

4:19:26developed into a long term

4:19:28community engagement and

4:19:30education tool for the Solid

4:19:32Waste division. As spiffy

4:19:33begins making appearances

4:19:35throughout the community, he

4:19:36will help strengthen the

4:19:38connection between residents

4:19:39and solid waste services while

4:19:41encouraging everyone to do

4:19:43their part to keep Fayetteville

4:19:45spiffy clean.

4:20:11Well, spiffy. I see he's a man

4:20:13of few words. Huh? Alright,

4:20:17well, let's. Yeah. Uh, spiffy,

4:20:20if you don't mind. Come, let's

4:20:21get a picture with you.

4:20:30Uh oh.

4:20:32All right.

4:20:36Mayor, I'm gonna have you come

4:20:37this side here. Right. Perfect.

4:20:42All right. Perfect. Three. Two.

4:20:44One. Stay there. All right. Wow.

4:20:51Wait wait wait. Hold on. Hold

4:20:52right here. Paul's. All the

4:20:57student. Sorry, I can't do

4:21:00that. The student. Thank you.

4:21:07All right. Three. Two. One.

4:21:11Three. Two. One. Stay there.

4:21:15Perfect.

4:21:24Well, thank you again. Ta. Uh,

4:21:26to Director Edwards and to.

4:21:32Hello?

4:21:33Yeah.

4:21:38Okay.

4:21:39Thank you.

4:21:41Thank you again to Director

4:21:42Edwards. To, um, miss Iris for

4:21:45the design and to spiffy. And,

4:21:48uh, just a reminder to the

4:21:49community, um, how important it

4:21:52is to recycle and to make sure

4:21:54that we all work together to

4:21:55keep our city clean and

4:21:57presentable. So thank you to

4:21:58their team. To our team. They

4:21:59work very hard every day. And,

4:22:01uh, but of course, none of this

4:22:03partnership would be possible

4:22:04without the residents. So

4:22:05remember, if you see illegal

4:22:06dump sites or when it's time to

4:22:08throw something away, or if you

4:22:10can help us tremendously by

4:22:12cleaning up around your

4:22:13immediate area, if you see

4:22:14trash or plastics, particularly

4:22:16here or near or around the

4:22:17storm drain, that helps us out

4:22:19a lot. If you can, uh, put that

4:22:20in the recyclable and the blue

4:22:21canvas for recyclables. So

4:22:22thank you again. Um, Council,

4:22:25at this time, we will move now

4:22:26to, uh, a very, very special,

4:22:30uh, presentation. So we will

4:22:32start with the Terry Sanford

4:22:34High School golf team

4:22:35champions, and I'll turn it

4:22:36over to Council member Green.

4:22:41Thank. Yeah.

4:22:44Fayetteville office of the

4:22:46mayor. Proclamation. Whereas

4:22:49the PGA high school golf

4:22:51National Invitational is an

4:22:53invitation only championship

4:22:55organized by the National High

4:22:56School Golf Association,

4:22:58bringing together the nation's

4:23:00most accomplished high school

4:23:01golfers to compete in a

4:23:03rigorous 54 hole stroke play.

4:23:05Stroke play tournament that

4:23:07celebrates excellence,

4:23:08dedication and sportsmanship.

4:23:10And whereas the Terry Sanford

4:23:12Bulldogs demonstrated

4:23:14exceptional skill, discipline

4:23:16and teamwork throughout the

4:23:18tournament, building an early

4:23:19lead and securing a decisive 12

4:23:22stroke victory led by team

4:23:24members Nate Horn Hills,

4:23:25McCarthy, Walker, worth the

4:23:27fourth, Ryan Hedgecock and

4:23:29Charley Horn with Nate Horn,

4:23:32Hughes, McCarthy and Walker

4:23:34worth the forth, each finishing

4:23:36among the tournament's top

4:23:38individual golfers, and whereas

4:23:39this remarkable national

4:23:41championship crowns an

4:23:42extraordinary season in which

4:23:44the Bulldogs also captured the

4:23:472026 North Carolina high school

4:23:50Athletic Association six, a

4:23:52state championship, established

4:23:54a new North Carolina State

4:23:56scoring record, and earned the

4:23:57distinction of being ranked the

4:23:59number one high school golf

4:24:00team in North Carolina.

4:24:09Solidifying their place among

4:24:10the nation's premier high

4:24:11school golf programs. And

4:24:13Whereas, the accomplishments of

4:24:15the Terry Sanford High School

4:24:16boys golf team reflect the

4:24:18unwavering commitment of the

4:24:19student athletes, coaches,

4:24:21parents, faculty, staff, and

4:24:23the supporters whose

4:24:25dedication, leadership, and

4:24:26encouragement helped make this

4:24:28historic achievement possible.

4:24:29And Whereas the city of

4:24:31Fayetteville proudly recognizes

4:24:33that the lessons learned

4:24:34through the game of golf,

4:24:35including integrity,

4:24:37perseverance, respect,

4:24:39teamwork, and relationship

4:24:40building, prepare young people

4:24:42for success. For success both

4:24:45on and off the course. While

4:24:47serving as an inspiration to

4:24:48future generations of student

4:24:51athletes throughout our

4:24:52community. Now, therefore, I'm

4:24:54Mitch Colvin, mayor of the City

4:24:56of Fayetteville, North

4:24:56Carolina, and on behalf of the

4:24:58City Council and over 210,000

4:25:02residents do recognize the

4:25:04eighth day of September in the

4:25:05year 2026, in honor of Terry

4:25:08Sanford High School golf team

4:25:10and witness whereof, I have

4:25:12hereunto set my hand and cause

4:25:14the great seal of the City of

4:25:16Fayetteville to be affixed.

4:25:17This eighth day of September,

4:25:192026, signed Mitch Colvin,

4:25:21Mayor.

4:25:48James.

4:25:53Oh these guys. Oh, yeah.

4:25:57So, um, I have, um, Council

4:25:59Member Hondros up here with me

4:26:01tonight because he reminded me

4:26:02that while Terry Sanford is in

4:26:05my district, I am not a bulldog

4:26:07because I would be a golden

4:26:09bull.

4:26:09Yeah.

4:26:10So.

4:26:10Anyway.

4:26:12So, um, he's going to give me a

4:26:14little hand, and I. And, um, we

4:26:15just want to tell them and

4:26:17express to them how proud we

4:26:19are of you. Um, this is a huge

4:26:21accomplishment, and I want to

4:26:22read a little bit of the stats

4:26:23for you that that were not read

4:26:26in the proclamation, but, um,

4:26:28so when they started out, um,

4:26:30they set, um, North Carolina

4:26:32high school record books by

4:26:35setting a new scoring record at

4:26:37the boys golf championship.

4:26:39They posted a remarkable two

4:26:41day team score of 558, which

4:26:44was ten under par to claim the

4:26:46state championship. Um, during

4:26:49the national championship. In

4:26:52the opening round, they had a

4:26:5314 under par team score,

4:26:56building a commanding eight

4:26:57shot lead leading into the

4:27:00second day. Nate Horn led the

4:27:02individual field with an

4:27:03outstanding seven under par 65,

4:27:07earning the first round

4:27:08individual lead. The Bulldogs

4:27:10went on that day to continue to

4:27:12be dominant, and the final

4:27:13round they posted another eight

4:27:15under par team score, and they

4:27:18finished the tournament with an

4:27:19impressive 22 under par,

4:27:22capturing the PGA high school

4:27:24golf National Championship by

4:27:2712 strokes. So you golfers in

4:27:30the room know what it took to

4:27:32accomplish that. So we are

4:27:33extremely proud and we have a

4:27:35certificate. And um, there is a

4:27:37lapel pin on here for y'all to

4:27:39have also. So just don't mix

4:27:41it. Leave it. Warkworth.

4:27:48Landon. Landon. Madness. Thank

4:27:51you, thank you. Retailers. And

4:27:58Hitchcock. Hold on there. I

4:28:06feel like. Okay. Was I think

4:28:11our congratulations tab for

4:28:14congratulate. 13 more goals

4:28:23Jonathan Keith. Thank you. Dan.

4:28:29One more.

4:28:33I do want to acknowledge Coach

4:28:35Moorhead and coach. Um, Micah,

4:28:38I'm v Greenwich, okay? I was

4:28:41trying not to slaughter that

4:28:42one too. But anyway, I have

4:28:43your other players. Some of the

4:28:45players could not be here. Some

4:28:46of them have gone on to

4:28:47college, so they are not here

4:28:49with us tonight. But just know

4:28:50that they had had a very

4:28:51successful year. Thank you.

4:28:54Thank you. Good job, thank you.

4:28:59I need a lesson. I know who to

4:29:01call.

4:29:09You.

4:29:21Right. Next we will celebrate

4:29:2350 year anniversary for

4:29:25transit. Miss Tiffany Neal. She

4:29:27and the audience come on up.

4:29:31The proclamation reads, where's

4:29:33the Fayetteville area? Systems

4:29:35of transit fast proudly

4:29:36celebrates its 50th

4:29:38anniversary, marking five

4:29:39decades of dedicated public

4:29:41transportation service that

4:29:43enhanced mobility strengthens

4:29:44the local economy and improve

4:29:46the quality of life for

4:29:47residents throughout the city

4:29:48of Fayetteville. And whereas

4:29:49fast was established in 1976

4:29:52when the city of Fayetteville

4:29:53assumed operation of the

4:29:55transit system from a privately

4:29:57owned operated Cape Fear

4:29:58Transit bus company. Continuing

4:30:01tradition of providing reliable

4:30:03transportation for the

4:30:03community while laying a

4:30:05foundation for future growth

4:30:06and innovation. And Whereas,

4:30:08what began with a fleet of 23

4:30:10buses operating seven days a

4:30:12week between Fayetteville and

4:30:13Little Rockfish and Hope Mills

4:30:15has evolved into a modern

4:30:17transit system that now

4:30:18provides nearly 1.6 million

4:30:22passengers annually, connecting

4:30:24more than 6000 riders a day to

4:30:27employees health care,

4:30:28education, shopping, recreation

4:30:30and other essential

4:30:31destinations. And Whereas

4:30:33throughout its history, Fast

4:30:35has served as a vital public

4:30:37service and economic driver by

4:30:38expanding access to

4:30:39opportunity, supporting

4:30:41workforce development, reducing

4:30:42transportation barriers, and

4:30:44fostering a more connected and

4:30:46vibrant community. And whereas,

4:30:48through tremendous growth and

4:30:49advancement in transit

4:30:50services, FAS has remained

4:30:52steadfast in its mission to

4:30:53provide safe, reliable,

4:30:55affordable and accessible

4:30:56transportation while meeting

4:30:58the ever evolving needs of

4:31:00Fayetteville residents and

4:31:01visitors with professionalism

4:31:03and excellence. And whereas, as

4:31:05Fast commemorates 50 years of

4:31:07service, its legacy stands as a

4:31:09testament to the vision,

4:31:10dedicated and commitment of its

4:31:12employees, leaders and

4:31:14community partners, inspiring

4:31:15future generations to continue

4:31:17building a transportation

4:31:18transportation system that

4:31:20connects people, creates

4:31:21opportunity, and move

4:31:23Fayetteville forward. Also, let

4:31:25me say tri transit. They're

4:31:27going places now. Therefore.

4:31:32Now. Therefore, I miss Colvin,

4:31:34mayor, the city of

4:31:35Fayetteville, North Carolina,

4:31:36on behalf of city council and

4:31:37over 2010 residents do hereby

4:31:40proclaim the year of 2026 as

4:31:43the celebration of Fayetteville

4:31:44area systems of transit. 50th

4:31:47anniversary. In witness

4:31:48whereof, I here to set this,

4:31:50set my hand and cause this

4:31:51great seal of the City of

4:31:52Fayetteville to be affixed this

4:31:54day, 8th September 2026. Give

4:31:58it up for our transit.

4:32:26Congratulations.

4:32:27Hey, y'all. Come on, turn

4:32:28around. Let's face council.

4:32:30Let's let them see who we

4:32:31really are. Council. 50 years

4:32:34ago. 50 years ago, transit was

4:32:38taken over from a small private

4:32:39transportation company. And I

4:32:41think the idea was to obviously

4:32:44keep our community moving. So

4:32:46fast forward. You like that.

4:32:48Fast forward to today. We are

4:32:50still here through the good,

4:32:51the bad and everything in

4:32:53between us. Because of the men

4:32:54and women you see standing

4:32:55before you that we are able to

4:32:57still keep our community moving

4:32:59through Covid, through

4:33:01hurricanes, through protests,

4:33:03through even the devastating

4:33:05losses that we've experienced

4:33:07in the last 90 days, we are

4:33:08still keeping our community

4:33:09moving. Because of your

4:33:11support, because of our city

4:33:13manager and city leadership

4:33:14support. We are excited because

4:33:16it's only up from here. We are

4:33:18excited about new buses coming

4:33:20in the fall of next year.

4:33:21Woohoo!

4:33:21Watch us!

4:33:22We are excited because of you!

4:33:25We have modernized bus stop

4:33:27amenities coming throughout our

4:33:29service area. Whew! All right,

4:33:32we are excited because we've

4:33:34partnered with FSU even to

4:33:35upgrade their stops and to add

4:33:37new stops in their area. And we

4:33:39are even more excited that we

4:33:41are going to expand service in

4:33:43West Fayetteville.

4:33:44That's what I'm calling. So you

4:33:45want to ask me.

4:33:46You want to know where trans

4:33:48will be in the next 50 years?

4:33:49Let me just say this with the

4:33:51men and women standing before

4:33:52you, I encourage you to come

4:33:55ride with us because we're

4:33:56going places.

4:33:57Thank you. I like that.

4:33:58Good job. Thank you, thank you.

4:34:03Appreciate you guys. Thank you.

4:34:04All good. Y'all good.

4:34:06Appreciate you.

4:34:10Thank you. Have a good night.

4:34:16Lack of bus ride.

4:34:18Give a young.

4:34:25Our next proclamation is our

4:34:27day of remembrance. This is our

4:34:29911 celebration. Let us be

4:34:31reminded this Friday we will

4:34:33have a celebration at the

4:34:34asylum directly across the

4:34:36street, beginning at 9 a.m..

4:34:38And our fire department will

4:34:39also have a stair climb at

4:34:41Sacred Stadium starting at 7

4:34:44p.m.. Hope you can take time to

4:34:45join us! The proclamation

4:34:47reads. Whereas the city of

4:34:49Fayetteville and the city's

4:34:50citizens of our great city join

4:34:52with our fellow Americans

4:34:53across the nation in honoring

4:34:54and remember those who lost

4:34:55their lives in that terrible

4:34:57morning of September 11th,

4:34:592001. And whereas we continue

4:35:02to offer support to the family

4:35:03and friends who've lost loved

4:35:04ones in the devastating events

4:35:06of that day, and especially our

4:35:08firefighters, police and first

4:35:10responders who continue to step

4:35:12forward and serve our

4:35:13communities with a dedication

4:35:15and vigilance. And whereas in

4:35:17the years since September 11th,

4:35:192001, American troops have

4:35:22served and sacrificed around

4:35:23the world to protect America's

4:35:24people. And whereas, in honor

4:35:26of all those lives, who was

4:35:28lost 25 years ago in honor of

4:35:30all the heroes who have given

4:35:32their whole souls to the cause

4:35:34of this nation every moment

4:35:35since May today not only be

4:35:38served with solemn remembrance,

4:35:39but also with renewed resolve.

4:35:42Now, therefore, I miss Colvin,

4:35:44mayor of the City of

4:35:45Fayetteville, North Carolina,

4:35:46and on behalf of the City

4:35:47Council and the 210 residents,

4:35:50do hereby honorably honorary

4:35:52propane. September 11th, 2026.

4:35:55National Day of Remembrance and

4:35:57Witness whereof I here to set

4:35:59my hand and cause this great

4:36:00seal of the city to be affixed

4:36:01this day, September 28th

4:36:04September 8th, 2026.

4:36:22Appreciate you.

4:36:25Thank you guys. Ladies.

4:36:30No comments from Chief Fire

4:36:33Chief. Police chief.

4:36:36Well, if I'd known.

4:36:37This was happening, how to fix

4:36:38my hair.

4:36:39Before I came up here.

4:36:42Um.

4:36:42You know, 911.

4:36:45Was 25 years ago. Holy cow. Um,

4:36:48I was a young fireman. Didn't

4:36:50know what was going on in the

4:36:51world, but, uh, I will say that

4:36:53the world was a lot nicer

4:36:55place, and people were a lot

4:36:56nicer. And I would, uh, urge

4:36:59everybody to to think about

4:37:00that and try to go back that

4:37:01way.

4:37:03Yeah.

4:37:06As Chief Dove, I was also a

4:37:09younger man as well. I actually

4:37:13was at the Pentagon when that

4:37:17plane struck the Pentagon. And

4:37:19I remember that day like it was

4:37:21yesterday. And I'm sure many of

4:37:22you all also remember that day,

4:37:24but it was definitely one of

4:37:27those situations that actually

4:37:30brought our country all

4:37:31together. And it's unfortunate

4:37:33when a tragic moment like that

4:37:35does that. But hopefully again,

4:37:38you know, we we can continue

4:37:39working together just to make

4:37:41our make make our day. In terms

4:37:44of being safety and out there

4:37:45and just making sure that we

4:37:47keep our country safe. So we

4:37:48are working always to do what

4:37:51we can with our partners, Fire

4:37:53and all our federal partners to

4:37:55keep us safe. So thank you.

4:37:57Thank you, Chief.

4:38:02Our next proclamation is for

4:38:04our Blue Star families. As

4:38:05chief just mentioned, those who

4:38:07deploy and give their lives for

4:38:10the safety of our country. They

4:38:11leave families behind. So we

4:38:13want to recognize them today.

4:38:15Whereas Blue Star families seek

4:38:16to empower military families by

4:38:18connecting them with their

4:38:20neighbors, individuals and

4:38:22organizations to create vibrant

4:38:25communities of mutual support.

4:38:26And whereas, Blue Star Families

4:38:28annual designation designates

4:38:30this week, beginning the fourth

4:38:32Saturday and September and

4:38:33concluding eight days after a

4:38:35Blue Star Welcome Week. And

4:38:37Whereas during the week we

4:38:38recognized 600,000 military

4:38:39families who moved to new

4:38:41communities each year, whereas

4:38:43only 39% of military families

4:38:45respondents to the 2024

4:38:48Military Family Lifestyle

4:38:50Survey reported that they feel

4:38:52a sense of belonging to their

4:38:53local civilian community, and

4:38:55whereas a sense of belonging is

4:38:57essential to the well-being and

4:38:58readiness of military families,

4:39:00and Whereas we commit to

4:39:02ensuring that military and

4:39:03veteran families feel a strong

4:39:05sense of belonging to their

4:39:07local civilian communities. And

4:39:09whereas we express gratitude

4:39:10for the sacrifices made by the

4:39:12service members and their

4:39:13families, and whereas we

4:39:15continue, we encourage

4:39:18community members nationwide to

4:39:19do their part and welcome

4:39:21military and veteran families

4:39:22into their communities. Now,

4:39:24therefore, I, Mitch Covid,

4:39:25mayor of the city of

4:39:26Fayetteville, North Carolina,

4:39:27on behalf of City Council and

4:39:29210 residents do hereby

4:39:32proclaim this day, 8th

4:39:34September, as you were,

4:39:36September 26th through October

4:39:384th, 26 as Blue Star welcome

4:39:41Week. In witness whereof, I

4:39:43here to set my hand and cause

4:39:45this great seal of the city of

4:39:46Fayetteville to be affixed this

4:39:48day, 8th September 2026.

4:39:52Yes, sir.

4:39:53Thank.

4:40:08Thank you. Good evening. I'd

4:40:09like to thank the mayor and the

4:40:11City Council for recognizing

4:40:14Blue Star families efforts, uh,

4:40:16that we have going on in the

4:40:18the support we've had from city

4:40:19staff as well. We did bring you

4:40:21all a Welcome Week t shirt. The

4:40:23goal of Welcome Week is to

4:40:26engage, provide resources, and

4:40:29welcome military families that

4:40:31have recently pieces to Fort

4:40:34Bragg. And as the proclamation

4:40:36stated, that starts on the last

4:40:39Saturday of September through,

4:40:41uh, the first Sunday in

4:40:43October. Denise is joining me

4:40:45this evening, Denise Langdon,

4:40:46our program director here for

4:40:47the Greater Fayetteville Region

4:40:49chapter. We have an entire week

4:40:51of programming and resources

4:40:52planned for those military

4:40:54families who are new to

4:40:55Fayetteville and to Fort Bragg.

4:40:56Again, thank you for the

4:40:57support.

4:40:58Always.

4:40:59Thank you.

4:41:01And if we got the wrong t shirt

4:41:03sizes, you know how to reach.

4:41:04Us.

4:41:09Thank you guys.

4:41:17And our last recognition is our

4:41:19biggest.

4:41:21Recognition.

4:41:36So as a council member, Antonio

4:41:39Jones uh, comes Pastor

4:41:42Campbell, I see you roll deep,

4:41:43man.

4:41:43So we. What's up?

4:41:45All I need tonight is a of is a

4:41:48container. We want to take an

4:41:50offering.

4:41:50Take a.

4:41:53But I. will I will turn it over

4:41:56to, uh, Councilmember Jones.

4:41:58But certainly on behalf of

4:41:59myself and the city council,

4:42:01uh, we want to make a special

4:42:02presentation to you and you and

4:42:04your lovely family, because you

4:42:05can't do this without good

4:42:07backing. And so, uh, if she

4:42:09would be invited, your wife,

4:42:10Mrs. Campbell.

4:42:10Be.

4:42:11Invite.

4:42:16Thank you. I just want to read

4:42:18something about this great man.

4:42:23Pastor T.W. Campbell has been a

4:42:25stabilizing force and a source

4:42:26of hope in the area for more

4:42:28than 50 years, serving not only

4:42:30as a man of faith, but as a

4:42:32beacon of resilience and unity.

4:42:35His work has directly addressed

4:42:37some of our most pressing

4:42:38challenges violence, food

4:42:41insecurity, family instability,

4:42:44and the erosion of community

4:42:45trust. Through his hands on

4:42:47ministry, food and clothing

4:42:49assistance, youth mentorship,

4:42:51crisis intervention, Pastor

4:42:53Campbell has consistently

4:42:55filled the critical gaps for

4:42:57these areas over the years. He

4:42:59has personally responded to

4:43:01families in moments of tragedy

4:43:02and violence, consistently

4:43:05providing safe spaces for young

4:43:07people seeking help. Seek

4:43:10supporting residents who have

4:43:11felt disconnected. His sincere

4:43:14efforts have strengthened the

4:43:16community bonds, stabilize

4:43:18families during difficult times

4:43:20in their lives. More

4:43:22importantly for the city of

4:43:24Fayetteville, long term

4:43:25vitality Pastor Campbell's

4:43:27ministry has helped cultivate a

4:43:29sense of belonging that

4:43:30encourage residents not only to

4:43:32remain in our city, but to

4:43:34invest in our city with

4:43:36intentional development. Pastor

4:43:38Campbell has demonstrated his

4:43:39sincere desire to invest in

4:43:41areas that then empower

4:43:43residents to take pride in

4:43:45their community by improving

4:43:47the quality of life, restoring

4:43:50dignity, and creating a

4:43:51supportive environment for

4:43:53families. His work contributes

4:43:56to his further, healthier

4:43:57neighborhoods and ultimately,

4:43:59our city's impact. Whenever any

4:44:02of our communities feel safe,

4:44:04supported and connected, they

4:44:06grow. And pastor T.W. Campbell

4:44:09has used quality, faith, and he

4:44:13has quietly did that for years.

4:44:17I know this was not expected. I

4:44:19know you do things behind the

4:44:21scenes, as I like to say, but

4:44:22this is very well deserving.

4:44:24Bless you.

4:44:39The mayor will present.

4:44:41The key.

4:44:41To the city to pass T.W.

4:44:44Campbell.

4:44:45And Pastor Campbell again on

4:44:48behalf of the City of

4:44:49Fayetteville, 210,000

4:44:52residents, the mayor and the

4:44:53City Council. Our city key, our

4:44:55highest honor, is proudly

4:44:56presented to you, pastor T.W.

4:44:58Campbell Campbell in grateful

4:45:00recognition of your devoted

4:45:02interest and unwavering

4:45:03commitment to this community.

4:45:04Thank you.

4:45:15Way to go. Way to go.

4:45:25Let them get. Let them get.

4:45:27It first.

4:45:34I wish I had $20. Thank you.

4:45:50Let's get one with all the

4:45:50council. Can we get one with

4:45:52all the council?

4:45:52Come on. Council. Come on, come

4:45:54on. Come on. Council. On.

4:45:59I'm gonna give you a. I owe you.

4:46:07Three. Two. One. Three. Three.

4:46:10Two.

4:46:13Oh! The church.

4:46:14On our way.

4:46:15How old? Are.

4:46:26Hello.

4:46:27All right.

4:46:28Good job.

4:46:38Oh! You bastard! We owe.

4:46:39You three.

4:46:40You got that right? Uh, but I

4:46:43will. I will leave a cash out

4:46:44for you, brother Hal. I will,

4:46:47yeah. Oh, you will not work. It

4:46:50will not work. Cause we can't

4:46:52put that in the bank. But on

4:46:53behalf of, uh, myself, my

4:46:56family. Uh. Thank you,

4:46:58Councilman Jones, for.

4:47:00Uh, doing this presentation.

4:47:02Tonight to our mayor. Thank you

4:47:04so much. Uh, I want to.

4:47:06Thank our church.

4:47:07Family. The refuge community

4:47:14church. We are the only church

4:47:16on Elder Donald Road. Amen. I

4:47:20didn't say we were the only

4:47:21church in Fayetteville, but

4:47:23we're the only church on La

4:47:25Donna Road. And, uh, I come

4:47:28tonight. I want to continue

4:47:30doing what we've been doing.

4:47:31Uh, down on Person Street. I

4:47:33talked to.

4:47:34Councilman Davis, and we're

4:47:36going to continue to do that

4:47:37because there's a huge need in

4:47:40that area, and I want to go

4:47:42back and do that again to feed,

4:47:45clothe. Uh, whatever we can do

4:47:47for that area, then I'm here

4:47:49for that. I thank you again so

4:47:51much. Thank you. Thank you,

4:47:52thank you. And only because

4:47:54this is Tuesday night and we

4:47:56don't have midweek service. Uh,

4:47:59you know, we'll be on zoom, but

4:48:02nobody brought me a container

4:48:03where I could receive this

4:48:04offering. So I'm going to be

4:48:08okay. Thank you again. Refuge.

4:48:23Uh, thank you again. Thank you

4:48:25again, Pastor Campbell. Thank

4:48:27you. Council member Jones. Uh,

4:48:29thank you to Refuge Church and

4:48:31to the Campbell family. They

4:48:32were told. We were told that

4:48:34you want to announce an event

4:48:35you have coming up.

4:48:37Uh. Yes, sir.

4:48:38What is coming up? I just

4:48:40celebrated a birthday. And, Mr.

4:48:46Mayor, September is designated

4:48:48as Legend Month. And I have a

4:48:52couple of people in the church

4:48:54that, you know, have problem

4:48:55with that they won't even want

4:48:56to take September out of the

4:48:58calendar. But I'm praying for

4:49:01their strength. Yeah, I really

4:49:02am. Uh, but, uh, we have we

4:49:04will celebrate our 144th

4:49:09homecoming, the second Sunday

4:49:11in November. We also have a

4:49:14tailgate on that, uh, in in

4:49:17September. I'm sorry. On the

4:49:1919th, uh, if y'all in the area

4:49:21come by, we'll feed you. We

4:49:22won't have we won't take up any

4:49:24money, but, uh, we will

4:49:26celebrate our tailgate. This is

4:49:28in honor of our homecoming. So

4:49:30we invite you to come by and

4:49:31share with us, if you will.

4:49:33Councilman John, would you

4:49:34comment and let me take a

4:49:35picture with you? If you don't

4:49:36mind, I'd like to put this.

4:49:37Could you do that for me, sir?

4:49:40Alright. Yeah. I'm saying they

4:49:42they they smooth this thing

4:49:44over on me. So I don't normally

4:49:45let people get nothing on me,

4:49:47but they got me this time.

4:49:50Thank you sir. Bless you sir.

4:49:52Thank you.

4:49:52Thank you sir.

4:49:53Alright. Thank you again sir.

4:50:04All right.

4:50:07Thank you again. And we got

4:50:09we're going to leave so you can

4:50:10go ahead on.

4:50:13All right. Yes, sir.

4:50:14Well.

4:50:14We'll see you again. I'll have

4:50:16that.

4:50:16For you, sir. All right.

4:50:17All right. We'll.

4:50:18Uh.

4:53:18All right. We thank you again

4:53:20to, uh, members of Refuge

4:53:22Church. Pastor Campbell. And,

4:53:24uh, to those who have come to

4:53:26support him. Uh, we certainly

4:53:28recognize him in all of the

4:53:30those at, uh, recognized

4:53:32tonight from our fast to, uh,

4:53:34certainly 911 Terry Sanford

4:53:36golf team. Uh, in all of our at

4:53:38the Blue Star and the great

4:53:40work that they're doing in our

4:53:41community and all of those who

4:53:42are recognized at this time,

4:53:44uh, we'll turn it over to

4:53:46Doctor Doug Hewitt, the city

4:53:47manager, for some

4:53:48announcements.

4:53:49Thank you. Mayor. Um, that was

4:53:52that was all inspiring to hear

4:53:54about the birthdays. You know,

4:53:55I've got one coming up 142 days,

4:53:58and, um, I don't know if y'all

4:54:00track that kind of stuff, but I

4:54:02track it for you so you don't

4:54:03have to forget. Um, but, um,

4:54:06some exciting news in the early

4:54:08birthday present for me. But

4:54:09really, a president for the

4:54:10residents. Um, along the

4:54:12Merkerson Road corridor, for

4:54:14the city council, for all your

4:54:15hard work. And really, to

4:54:16everybody in the city of

4:54:17Fayetteville. Um, as you may

4:54:19have heard last week, doctor

4:54:20here for the shouting that you

4:54:21and I probably were doing it

4:54:22across town. Uh, the city was

4:54:25awarded merkerson Choice

4:54:27Neighborhood grant. Uh, the

4:54:33city and the housing authority,

4:54:35um, were awarded $25 million

4:54:39through the FY 25 choice

4:54:40Neighborhood Implementation

4:54:41grant. 25.1155788. To leave it

4:54:48all in there. Leave it all in

4:54:49there. This is a historic first

4:54:52for our region and advances the

4:54:53next phase of the merkerson

4:54:55choice and transformation plan,

4:54:57a plan built together with

4:54:58residents and partners. The

4:55:00Federal investment leverages

4:55:02more than $530 million in

4:55:07public and private investment.

4:55:09For people like me from Empire

4:55:10Road, that is over half $1

4:55:12billion. That is significant

4:55:14investment, historic even. Um,

4:55:16while replacing all 60 units of

4:55:18the 56 year old merkerson

4:55:20townhouses, one for one and

4:55:22creating 323 new mixed income

4:55:25apartments across the Merkerson

4:55:26and Elliot property sites.

4:55:29Additionally, the program

4:55:30expands supportive services for

4:55:31residents and funds physical

4:55:33improvements throughout the

4:55:34surrounding neighborhood.

4:55:35Merkerson choice will be led by

4:55:37the city's Economic Community

4:55:38Development Department, the

4:55:39Fayetteville Metropolitan

4:55:41Housing Authority, with Penrose

4:55:42serving as the housing lead and

4:55:43urban Strategies as the people

4:55:45lead. Mayor and members of

4:55:46council, your leadership and

4:55:48support made this possible. You

4:55:50remember we were tramping

4:55:51around D.C. and we didn't know

4:55:53if it was going to pay off. Did

4:55:54it pay off? It did. It did, it

4:55:57did. I also would like to

4:55:58acknowledge the work of the

4:55:59city staff and, uh,

4:56:01Fayetteville Metropolitan

4:56:02Housing Authority team for the

4:56:03dedication and work and

4:56:05executing this plan. And to the

4:56:07residents of the merkerson

4:56:08corridor. Thank you for helping

4:56:10to shape this vision and

4:56:12staying engaged throughout the

4:56:13process. And finally, where my

4:56:15ambassadors. I see you there.

4:56:17Um, the merkerson choice

4:56:18Ambassadors. Your voice,

4:56:19advocacy, and commitment to

4:56:21your community. Our city is

4:56:23nothing short of amazing. This

4:56:24is a reminder of what is

4:56:25possible in the community, its

4:56:27residents and partners work

4:56:28together toward a shared

4:56:29vision. And tonight, I'd like

4:56:31to take a moment to recognize

4:56:33and acknowledge some

4:56:34individuals who are here who

4:56:34made this possible. Could the

4:56:36merkerson Choice Ambassadors,

4:56:38the ECD department of

4:56:39Fayetteville Metropolitan

4:56:40Housing Authority staff, please

4:56:42come up and also counsel? If

4:56:44you would take a picture with

4:56:45them to mark this historic

4:56:47milestone? Chris and Tim, any

4:56:49words you'd like to share?

4:56:49Come on up.

4:56:56Yes.

4:57:37I can't.

4:57:37Talk to you right now about it.

4:57:39I'm gonna talk.

4:57:39To you.

4:57:40Mr. Kiley.

4:57:41Yeah, I'll be brief, because

4:57:43y'all y'all already had a long

4:57:44evening. Got quite a ways to

4:57:46go. Um, I just want to echo

4:57:48what the city manager said. Um,

4:57:51my team and the housing

4:57:53authority team did a lot to put

4:57:55together a strong application,

4:57:57but I didn't come up with $531

4:58:01million in leverage. That was

4:58:04this community. That was

4:58:06everyone from the school system

4:58:08and the county to the

4:58:09University of Fayetteville

4:58:10State University, uh, to City

4:58:12council and the millions, tens

4:58:14of millions that City Council

4:58:15has put into this area in the

4:58:17past couple of years. Um,

4:58:19without all of that, I don't

4:58:20know that we would have won.

4:58:23Um, and there's one thing that

4:58:24we haven't put in a whole lot

4:58:26of press releases. So the the

4:58:28folks from the Housing and

4:58:29Urban Development, the choice

4:58:30team called us up the other

4:58:31morning and, um, to

4:58:33congratulate us personally for

4:58:35winning one of four grants in

4:58:36the country and also to let us

4:58:40know that we were the top

4:58:40scoring grant in 13

4:58:43submissions.

4:58:44Nationwide.

4:58:48Um, we had a couple of things

4:58:50right there at the last minute.

4:58:51As y'all remember, there was

4:58:53some question about whether

4:58:54this grant was still going to

4:58:55be around or not. We had to we

4:58:57had to rally the troops in the

4:58:58last, last 60 days to get it

4:59:00done. Um, there was also a lot

4:59:03of questions about, um, how

4:59:06things were really going to

4:59:07come together, getting meetings

4:59:08with some really important

4:59:09folks at the last minute where,

4:59:12um, I think every single one of

4:59:13y'all leaned in a little bit to

4:59:14help make that happen. I know

4:59:15the mayor leaned in quite a bit

4:59:17to help make some of those

4:59:17happen, so thank you all. I

4:59:20appreciate it. This has been a,

4:59:22um, a quite a six year journey

4:59:24to get to here. And we got we

4:59:26got eight to spend this money.

4:59:27So let's do it.

4:59:29Yeah.

4:59:34Thank you. Thank you again, Mr.

4:59:36Kelly. Mister manager, miss Lex

4:59:39to ambassador. Yeah, and

4:59:40housing authority. I was going

4:59:42to invite you. Did you want to

4:59:43speak on behalf of a housing

4:59:44authority?

4:59:45I'm good. Okay.

4:59:46All right.

4:59:46All right. Yeah.

4:59:48He did, and so did.

4:59:50Um,

4:59:52The, um, our city manager.

4:59:55Thank you so much. Um, I

4:59:58usually shoot from the hip. Um,

5:00:00by the way, I'm Cynthia Leakes.

5:00:02I live in the Murchison

5:00:03corridor, but this time I

5:00:05decided to just write things

5:00:07out because there are quite a

5:00:09few people to thank that aren't

5:00:11here. You know, we we started,

5:00:14what, six years ago? And, um, I

5:00:18want to give a shout out, first

5:00:19of all, to the grassroots

5:00:21supporters, our citizens,

5:00:24because we had citizens when we

5:00:26started off that didn't want it

5:00:30or didn't know what it was. So

5:00:32we did a lot of, uh, convincing

5:00:36and, and, you know, um, you

5:00:38know, true grassroots talking,

5:00:41meeting people where they are

5:00:44to get the point across. So I

5:00:45think we're all excited about

5:00:47it. And I want to thank the

5:00:49North Carolina chapter of

5:00:50American Planning Association,

5:00:53because you remember, in 2023,

5:00:56we received the North Carolina

5:00:58Marvin Collins Award. You know,

5:01:01remember, that award solidified

5:01:03the hard work that Chris

5:01:05Nelson, uh, Alex, Derek and the

5:01:08Ed team and the city

5:01:10ambassadors accomplished for

5:01:13the city of Fayetteville in the

5:01:15Advancing Equality category for

5:01:18the Murchison Choice

5:01:19neighborhood plan. So we were

5:01:21well on our way to receiving

5:01:25this grant. And I also want to

5:01:28thank Adam Rosa and the team

5:01:30with collaborative planning.

5:01:31Y'all remember that we worked

5:01:33hard, uh, knocking on doors and

5:01:36doing all those surveys. Uh, we

5:01:39had, you know, up to 30, 40,

5:01:41sometimes 50 people on the

5:01:42surveys to get to this point,

5:01:45the former economic development

5:01:47staff, Dominique Ashley, she

5:01:49was great. Uh, Michelle Smith

5:01:52Reardon, uh, uh, Taurus

5:01:56Freeman, Ebony Sampson and

5:01:58Jackie Bell, they all have come

5:02:00and worked and, uh, moved on.

5:02:03The former city manager, Kelly

5:02:05Strickland, former city Council

5:02:07member Cathy Jensen, Kayla

5:02:10Ingram, Mario Benavente, they

5:02:13were here, uh, when we started

5:02:15that. So hats off to them. And

5:02:18last but not least, uh, uh, the

5:02:22Academy Grassroots Academy, uh,

5:02:25came down from AT&T University

5:02:30and they coached us all the

5:02:32way. So we were out here, uh,

5:02:34implementing what we were

5:02:36learning as ambassadors. That

5:02:38would be Doctor Michelle Ely

5:02:40and Doctor Theresa Lee of

5:02:42Cooperative Extension at North

5:02:45Carolina. AT&T State

5:02:47University. And last but not

5:02:49least, my ambassador buddies.

5:02:52Only one is here. Sharonda. We

5:02:55walked and we walked and we

5:02:56walked. We got some leather

5:02:57shoe in in the play, and, uh,

5:03:00Jeanette Henderson's not here.

5:03:02Uh, and I think she's a little

5:03:04under the weather. And Kimberly

5:03:06Williams, um, they worked hard

5:03:08with us as well, and I just

5:03:10want to thank you for allowing

5:03:13us to be the voice of the

5:03:16citizens in our community. I

5:03:18want to thank each one of you

5:03:21for all the work that you put

5:03:24into this wonderful, um, 20, 20

5:03:30million. I wanted to say 50

5:03:32because the first one was 50,

5:03:33but, you know, this one was,

5:03:35uh, it's just I don't know what

5:03:38to say. Uh, it's the first step

5:03:41in revitalizing Murchison Road,

5:03:44and I just can't wait. I can't

5:03:46wait to be a part of it. Thank

5:03:47you for listening. And thank

5:03:49you for being here.

5:03:55All right. Thank you again to,

5:03:57uh, Mr. Colley, all of the

5:03:59names mentioned to Miss Cynthia

5:04:01Leek and all the members of the

5:04:03neighborhood and the community

5:04:04that came together. So, uh,

5:04:07excellent. Uh, outcome for what

5:04:09it looks like when we work

5:04:10together. So thank you. Thank

5:04:11you to Miss Weeks as well, miss

5:04:13Dawn. So let her know that, uh,

5:04:15that we appreciate all the hard

5:04:16work her and the federal

5:04:17Metropolitan Housing Authority.

5:04:18So we're looking forward to

5:04:19seeing some shovels in the

5:04:21ground. And, uh, and so we'll

5:04:23look forward to the

5:04:23transformation. But thank you.

5:04:24Thank you, Doctor Hewitt and

5:04:25your team as well. Uh, Council,

5:04:27with that, we will conclude

5:04:30our, uh, announcements and

5:04:32recognitions section. Now, as

5:04:35we move to, uh, 8.0 is the

5:04:38public.

5:04:38Forum.

5:04:39Uh, City Council policy. One

5:04:4220.9 per City Council policy.

5:04:45This is a time that residents

5:04:47may have an input and a voice

5:04:48in what goes on in their city.

5:04:50The public forum will not last

5:04:52any longer than one hour. Each

5:04:54speaker is limited to three

5:04:55minutes each to address the

5:04:57City Council and issues related

5:04:58to the City of Fayetteville, no

5:05:00time will be yielded to any

5:05:02speaker by another speaker. Any

5:05:04remaining speakers at the

5:05:05conclusion of the public forums

5:05:07listed did not have an

5:05:07opportunity to speak and

5:05:08address the council, or have

5:05:10the option to have their name

5:05:11placed at the beginning of the

5:05:12next scheduled public forum

5:05:14meeting. All non-residents will

5:05:16be placed at the end of the

5:05:17list. Individuals unable to

5:05:19attend in person may mail

5:05:21written comments or email

5:05:23public comments at.

5:05:24Fayetteville, NC gov. Written

5:05:26comments will be summarized by

5:05:28the City Clerk during the

5:05:29meeting. So the City Clerk

5:05:31calls again. Uh, we welcome all

5:05:33of those who have, uh, pressed

5:05:35your way down to sign up to

5:05:36speak tonight. We hope to have

5:05:38a great opportunity to allow

5:05:40you to say your piece. We

5:05:42actually, we, uh, please

5:05:44maintain the decorum of the

5:05:46room, uh, and that we will have

5:05:47an excellent time to, uh, to

5:05:48hear one another out. So with

5:05:50that, Madam Clerk, please call

5:05:51the first speaker.

5:05:52Mayor, we have 30 speakers. The

5:05:54first eight are rollovers from

5:05:55the last meeting, and we have

5:05:57two written comments. Our first

5:05:59speaker is Miss Cheyenne dos

5:06:02Santos, and I know we have some

5:06:05that are still in overflow. So

5:06:07Miss Cheyenne dos Santos. Not

5:06:13present. Our next speaker.

5:06:15Overflow can hear us though,

5:06:17correct?

5:06:17Yes, but it's a delayed by a

5:06:19couple of seconds.

5:06:19Oh, yeah, they came in.

5:06:20They came in. Okay.

5:06:22Okay. Um, our next speaker is

5:06:24Mr. Nick Klein. Mr. Nick Klein.

5:06:29Oh, yeah

5:06:36Good evening, Mr. Clark.

5:06:38How's it going? Wasn't actually

5:06:42prepared to speak today. I was

5:06:44supposed to speak. Let's see.

5:06:47August. July 6th. There we go.

5:06:50Uh, consistent things that I've

5:06:53seen from both Cumberland

5:06:54County and from Fayetteville

5:06:56City. Is that across the board?

5:06:59Y'all were not prepared for a

5:07:01data center, but someone agreed

5:07:03to it. We can't specifically

5:07:05say who, but we have a pretty

5:07:07good idea. It's not going to

5:07:10contribute to what you think it

5:07:12is. Data centers are literally

5:07:14just massive building versions

5:07:17of computers. I think if you

5:07:19think of a liquid cooling

5:07:20system inside of a PC, that's

5:07:22what you're looking at in these

5:07:23massive scales. The same way

5:07:25that you have to change out

5:07:26that PC liquid, they have to do

5:07:27in a blowdown. They still don't

5:07:30have those regulations set down

5:07:31either. They even build it into

5:07:32their business plan to get

5:07:33around all that. But you guys

5:07:35already know that. Just

5:07:37preaching to the choir. I know

5:07:40business is made off of gray

5:07:42areas. I'm saying let's make

5:07:43this a little bit smaller

5:07:45because we've already got a

5:07:46federal regulation from 67 and

5:07:49DuPont versus West Virginia.

5:07:51That's when the president was

5:07:52sent 4.0004 parts per million.

5:07:57Excuse me, trillion, because it

5:07:58was a million. It's supposed to

5:08:00be million, but they presented

5:08:01it as trillion so they could

5:08:02get it passed. If you want to

5:08:04fact check that, they can go

5:08:05all the way back to the

5:08:06lobbyists. Recently they

5:08:10overturned, um, I can't think

5:08:14of it. I'm blanking on what the

5:08:17exact, uh, official

5:08:18adjudication was, but it

5:08:20overturned the right to

5:08:21corporations having the benefit

5:08:22of the doubt. That means that

5:08:24we can offer our own proposals,

5:08:26and they won't immediately side

5:08:27with the corporation. But if we

5:08:29give them the right to build

5:08:30without our input, we lose that.

5:08:33Oh, no. That's it.

5:08:44Mayor. Next speaker is Miss

5:08:47Vanessa Reed.

5:08:55Good evening, Mr. Reed.

5:08:57Hello. Hello. My name is

5:09:01Vanessa Reed. I am a county

5:09:03resident. I'm a simple woman.

5:09:05And I'm sure you are all much

5:09:07smarter than me. I mean, y'all

5:09:09are sitting up there as

5:09:10representatives of thousands of

5:09:12people, so it genuinely

5:09:14confuses me that so many of us

5:09:16show up to these meetings month

5:09:17after month, and it feels like

5:09:18we have to beg and plead with

5:09:20y'all to do the right thing for

5:09:22our community. It's all given

5:09:25me pause and made me mad and

5:09:27sad at a time that our national

5:09:29and state politics look and

5:09:31feel more like a circus than a

5:09:32force of stability. The fact

5:09:34that the same nonsense has

5:09:35trickled down to our local

5:09:36government in this way, and at

5:09:37this time, is maddening. Like I

5:09:40said, I'm a simple girl.

5:09:42Homeschool turned foster to an

5:09:43adoptive mama of five when my

5:09:46family decided to serve some of

5:09:48the most vulnerable members of

5:09:49our community by becoming a

5:09:50foster family. One of the most

5:09:52humbling and centering things

5:09:53we learned, like etched in our

5:09:55soul, learned is the act of

5:09:59centering the actual, most

5:10:00vulnerable person in a

5:10:02situation that they didn't ask

5:10:03for, cause, deserve, or want.

5:10:07However, they carry the wounds

5:10:09of the situation the most

5:10:10profound way, and that would be

5:10:12the foster children. I mean,

5:10:14how was I supposed to get along

5:10:15with the family who made

5:10:16choices that brought that child

5:10:17to my home? And how was a mama

5:10:20supposed to trust a complete

5:10:21stranger to care for and be

5:10:22gentle with her baby, her

5:10:24heartbeat living out of her

5:10:25chest, not knowing me, not to

5:10:27mention everyone else in the

5:10:29constellation of care. Social

5:10:30workers, supervisors, judges,

5:10:32siblings, attorneys, guardian

5:10:34ad litem. It goes on and on.

5:10:35How are we supposed to be on

5:10:37the same page, working toward

5:10:38the same goal? By centering the

5:10:41child? As a foster mom, I

5:10:43didn't have to like biological

5:10:45parents, and biological parents

5:10:46certainly didn't have to like

5:10:47or respect me. But because we

5:10:50both loved and cared for a

5:10:51child and we were working for

5:10:53their best interests, we could

5:10:54get past a lot of the

5:10:56sloppiness that came along.

5:10:58When emotions run high. Being a

5:11:00small part of the reunification

5:11:02of families in this county is

5:11:04one of the most humbling and

5:11:05transformative experiences of

5:11:07my life. So why am I talking

5:11:10about all this? Well, it's

5:11:11because I want to ask each and

5:11:13every one of you while looking

5:11:14in your eyes, who are you

5:11:17centering with your vote on

5:11:19these dogs and ultimately with

5:11:21the data center? Are you

5:11:23centering those you took an

5:11:24oath to serve and represent?

5:11:25People like those of us that

5:11:27have shown up here over and

5:11:28over again, and the myriad and

5:11:31those who are not here for a

5:11:32myriad of reasons. Or are you

5:11:33centering a faceless

5:11:34corporation with shallow

5:11:36promises, or an ultra wealthy

5:11:37business owner who lives

5:11:38anywhere but where a data

5:11:39center is being built? Or

5:11:41worse, are you centering your

5:11:42own personal bottom line

5:11:43because your 9 to 5 business

5:11:45will come into a windfall when

5:11:47or if this happens? Because we,

5:11:50the mamas in this room and the

5:11:51mamas in your district would

5:11:53like for you to do the right

5:11:54thing for our community as a

5:11:55whole, especially the residents

5:11:57of Eastover, because surely

5:11:59they are considered the most

5:12:00vulnerable in this situation.

5:12:01Thank you ma'am.

5:12:04You.

5:12:07Mayor, our next speaker is Ron

5:12:11Peter Pinto. Divina Garcia. Mr.

5:12:17Pinto, Divina Garcia, not

5:12:20present. Our next speaker is

5:12:23Miss Jeannie Dees.

5:12:32Hey, miss Steve.

5:12:35Good evening.

5:12:35Mayor Colvin.

5:12:37Good to see you. Thank you for

5:12:39allowing me to speak this

5:12:40evening. My name is Jeannie

5:12:44Dees, and I'm speaking on

5:12:46behalf of my husband, Dale, and

5:12:47myself. We live on Custer

5:12:49Avenue, about a mile from a

5:12:51proposed data center site. As

5:12:53the car goes. And about three

5:12:55quarters of a mile as the crow

5:12:56flies. This area is currently

5:12:58outside city limits, but within

5:13:00the established area in which

5:13:01the city of Fayetteville can

5:13:03annex. And they do in fact have

5:13:05an annexation request. Because

5:13:07we are not city residents, we

5:13:09are not allowed to input on the

5:13:10makeup of the council, whose

5:13:12members can make decisions that

5:13:13have an immediate detrimental

5:13:15impact on our quality of life.

5:13:17This is both unfair and

5:13:19un-American. Government

5:13:21interference without government

5:13:23representation. Since we first

5:13:26met over 40 years ago, Dale and

5:13:27I dreamed of the home in the

5:13:28country hoped to have one day

5:13:30through decades of hard work

5:13:31and careful saving. We achieved

5:13:34that dream 15 years ago. We are

5:13:35modest people and our home is

5:13:37modest as well, but affords us

5:13:39exactly the type of quiet

5:13:40country lifestyle we sought,

5:13:42surrounded by natural beauty

5:13:43and wildlife. Deer, coyotes,

5:13:45river otters, owls, hawks,

5:13:47flying squirrels, fox

5:13:48squirrels, pileated woodpeckers

5:13:50are some of the lives that

5:13:52share our properties with us. A

5:13:53blue heron regularly feeds in

5:13:55our pond. We still see

5:13:56fireflies in the evening. This

5:13:59is an increasing rarity in our

5:14:01world and in Cumberland County,

5:14:03but wildlife would be driven

5:14:05away by the pollution and noise

5:14:07of a busy data center. My

5:14:08farmer, my farmer, neighbor's

5:14:10livestock would suffer right

5:14:11alongside their owners. Parts

5:14:13of our wetlands would be

5:14:15destroyed. A delicate ecosystem

5:14:17forever damaged because such

5:14:18damage cannot be undone. The

5:14:21Army Corps of Engineers 53

5:14:23miles of flood mitigation built

5:14:26in Eastover 80 years ago, would

5:14:29be irrevocably damaged as well,

5:14:31leading to flooding in my

5:14:33neighbor's properties. Flooding

5:14:35that the city of Fayetteville

5:14:36would not have any obligation

5:14:38to do anything about because

5:14:40while they want to annex the

5:14:41data center, they don't want to

5:14:43annex us and provide us

5:14:44services. We're expected to

5:14:46deal with the problem while

5:14:47getting nothing in return. I

5:14:50have real concerns of the

5:14:51ability of our local resources

5:14:52and infrastructure to support

5:14:54this type of venture. The water

5:14:56demands alone will strain our

5:14:57small rural community, a

5:14:59community already in drought.

5:15:01On a personal level, my

5:15:02property value would decrease

5:15:05as few people would

5:15:06voluntarily, voluntarily live

5:15:08near the noisy, dirty, ugly

5:15:10industrial complex that a data

5:15:12center is.

5:15:13Thank you. Who?

5:15:21Mayor. Our next speaker is Mr.

5:15:23Dale Dees.

5:15:32Good evening, Mr. Dees.

5:15:34Thank you.

5:15:34Thank you. We didn't

5:15:35collaborate any at all. My own

5:15:37father pretty much hers. But

5:15:39honestly, goodness, we didn't

5:15:40speak about this. It's just we

5:15:41lived together. We've been

5:15:42together for years and years.

5:15:44So our stories are similar. I

5:15:47want to thank some of you on

5:15:50this city council right off the

5:15:51bat, and I'm not a great

5:15:52speaker, so I'm going to use

5:15:53some things here to help me.

5:15:55Um, Mr. Ferguson, Mr. Jones,

5:15:59miss green, Mr. McMillan and

5:16:03Mr. Hondros appear to at least

5:16:05be willing to listen to us and

5:16:08put some type of effort into

5:16:09looking into this a little bit

5:16:11deeper. Instead of just what

5:16:13appears to be like a headlong

5:16:15rush into establishing a data

5:16:19center out there. We've been

5:16:21married a long time. The first

5:16:22house we bought was a gym motor

5:16:24home. We rented it. I don't

5:16:26know if you remember those or

5:16:26not, but they were pretty much

5:16:29prefabricated homes. When you

5:16:31shut the door, the whole wall

5:16:32would shake. We had electric

5:16:35baseboard heating, which we

5:16:37couldn't afford to use in the

5:16:39wintertime. Our deodorant,

5:16:41which was the roll on type

5:16:42until you found that anymore,

5:16:44would freeze. Uh, we worked

5:16:47hard our whole lives. We bought

5:16:50this place out in East. The

5:16:52house is what we liked. Uh,

5:16:54well, what is the house that we

5:16:55like? But it was land. It was

5:16:58the location. It was the

5:17:00scenery. Some evenings when we

5:17:02come home after dark, our hair

5:17:04loss to shine across the front

5:17:05lawn. And their deer herd of

5:17:08deer in our front yard bedded

5:17:10down. It's that quiet. And it's

5:17:12that peaceful. It's a wonderful

5:17:15place to live. And we love you

5:17:18guys that are on our side, or

5:17:20at least willing to help us.

5:17:22We're trying to love the rest

5:17:23of you. We really are. But

5:17:25you're making it hard because

5:17:27in our view, you're willing to

5:17:29either destroy or let it be

5:17:31destroyed. Our homes, the

5:17:33places that many of them have

5:17:36lived out there for

5:17:37generations. We're new. We've

5:17:38been there 15 years, but it's

5:17:40still our home. And we learned

5:17:42to love these people that are

5:17:43out there. They're our

5:17:45neighbors, and we're just

5:17:47pleading with you to slow this

5:17:48down a little bit. Just a

5:17:51little bit. And we understand

5:17:53this is a 5 or 5 split right

5:17:55now. So I'm going to appeal to

5:17:56some of you that are on the

5:17:57other side to join us. And Mr.

5:18:00Davis, I'll direct this to you.

5:18:02I understand you grew up out

5:18:04there, graduated from Cape Fear

5:18:05High School. We just need a

5:18:09little bit of time, a little

5:18:11slower pace to look at this

5:18:14carefully because there's a

5:18:16kind of a fury growing out

5:18:17there. I know you guys can feel

5:18:19it. You can tell it. This is

5:18:20not one of those meetings, but

5:18:21other ones. It's come out very

5:18:23strongly and people are

5:18:25extremely upset. I'm upset

5:18:26right now. My voice is a little

5:18:27bit shaky because you're

5:18:29willing to destroy my home, and

5:18:32I can't let that happen. And

5:18:34nobody out there is going to

5:18:35let it happen either. Thank you

5:18:37for your time.

5:18:44Madam mayor, our next speaker

5:18:47is Miss Paula Thompson. Miss

5:18:51Paula Thompson, not present.

5:18:54Our next speaker is Miss

5:18:56Samantha Wyant. Miss Samantha

5:19:00Weyand, not present. Our next

5:19:04speaker is Taylor Welch.

5:19:07Randall. Taylor Welch, Randall.

5:19:12Not present. Next speaker is

5:19:14Marley Palmer. Marlee Palmer.

5:19:21Next speaker, miss Phyllis

5:19:23Lakshmi.

5:19:30Good evening, Miss Lockman.

5:19:32Good evening. How are y'all?

5:19:34Yes.

5:19:35I'm here. I know probably you

5:19:37don't want me here, but I'm

5:19:38here. Don't feel bad. I can

5:19:40take rejection. I'm sensitive.

5:19:44I'm going to take some of my

5:19:45things, and I'll. I'm. I'm open

5:19:49my. I'm stating things that

5:19:51have happened to me. And I see

5:19:54things have happened to other

5:19:56people. It's it's hard to stand

5:20:00and hear people's in. They're

5:20:03pleading with you. And I know I

5:20:06got please to you don't listen.

5:20:09You and you feel like you don't

5:20:11care. You sit and you look at

5:20:13us. You get those those looks.

5:20:16You don't. You don't listen. I

5:20:18got a sign on my street that

5:20:20says trucks entering highway.

5:20:22It's a residential zone. And

5:20:25what did somebody tell me?

5:20:26Well, I didn't see it. It's

5:20:2950ft big. Everybody's telling

5:20:33you about things that they

5:20:34don't like, things that they're

5:20:36concerned about for their

5:20:37neighborhoods. Do you care? You

5:20:40live on this earth the way we

5:20:42do, all of you. But sometimes

5:20:45we start thinking, are they

5:20:47from Earth? Are you from Earth?

5:20:52Do you think that you gotta

5:20:54breathe the air? You gotta

5:20:55drink the water. You live in a

5:20:59neighborhood where you're

5:21:00begging them. Don't bring heavy

5:21:02industrial in our neighborhood.

5:21:03Don't bring that horrible dust.

5:21:05Don't drive your trucks up and

5:21:06down our road. Put it in your

5:21:09neighborhood. See how you like

5:21:11it. If you like it, thank God

5:21:14you can have it. All we ask

5:21:19for. Treat us like people.

5:21:21Remember your people to you

5:21:24gotta breathe. You gotta

5:21:26breathe the air. And when

5:21:27things happen and people say

5:21:29things to you, that's not very

5:21:31pleasant. I can't say anything,

5:21:35but I probably feel it too.

5:21:38But. And I've seen those of you

5:21:41who stand up for us, and those

5:21:44of you who are in positions who

5:21:45don't. I've, I've, I've, I know

5:21:51life can be hard for everybody,

5:21:54but you gotta think you're

5:21:56making it look like you're 50.

5:21:59You're from another planet, not

5:22:02Earth. You're a person just

5:22:04like we are. Okay? Think about

5:22:08that. When you start passing

5:22:11these judgment things and

5:22:13making these decisions and

5:22:15pushing us to the. Whether

5:22:17you're a lawyer, the mayor, all

5:22:21the shot, whoever you, wherever

5:22:25you got, remember when people

5:22:28said they put they voted for

5:22:30you? They did it on a trust and

5:22:35don't betray them. Thank you.

5:22:38Sometimes thank you.

5:22:39Thank you.

5:22:47Mayor, our next speaker is Miss

5:22:49Demetria Murphy.

5:22:56Evening, miss Murphy.

5:22:58Good evening, Mayor. First,

5:23:04Lynn, thank you for supporting

5:23:05my daughter's fundraiser. Malik

5:23:07and pro Tem, thank you for

5:23:09supporting the trip to Alabama.

5:23:10Appreciate you guys. Good

5:23:14evening. Council members and

5:23:16mayor. You guys know my name is

5:23:18Demetria Murphy. I'm the

5:23:19founder of Heal Deville, the

5:23:20founder of the Community

5:23:21Reentry Coalition and the owner

5:23:22of Divine Infinity Therapeutic

5:23:24Services, PLLC. I'm a current

5:23:26PhD student completing research

5:23:28for Cumberland County so we can

5:23:30finally have our own and stop

5:23:32borrowing from other cities

5:23:33data. I stand here tonight with

5:23:35one clear message. Our

5:23:36community matters. I want to

5:23:39address something directly.

5:23:40First, I expect to be respected

5:23:42for my work, not judged by your

5:23:44personal opinions about me. I

5:23:47am not in this work for likes.

5:23:48I understand that I am very

5:23:50unpopular or popular. Comments

5:23:52from leadership does not

5:23:54reflect the truth of who I am.

5:23:55My outcomes, or my commitment

5:23:57to this community. I will not

5:23:59respond today with emotions but

5:24:01with facts. Mr. City Mayor, the

5:24:04first fact is that some elected

5:24:06county leaders, community

5:24:07leaders and some elected

5:24:09leaders. You also call me when

5:24:11you need help and your loved

5:24:13ones need assistance. You reach

5:24:14out to me to some additional

5:24:17facts under the Hill, the

5:24:19Ville, and the CRC and my

5:24:20therapeutic practice. I support

5:24:23families in crisis and I

5:24:24respond in real time. For over

5:24:2618 plus years I've done this

5:24:27work. I receive calls when

5:24:29homes have been shot up 40

5:24:31times, incidents that never

5:24:33appear in any official crime

5:24:34data because no one died. Call

5:24:37when loved ones are coming

5:24:38home. Calls from prisons in

5:24:40jails I get referrals calls

5:24:42when there is a distress in the

5:24:44community or a home, not the

5:24:46beloved organizations that you

5:24:47guys praise. I provide reentry

5:24:49and mental health services from

5:24:51the from a converted room in my

5:24:53home. People come to me because

5:24:55they feel safe and they and

5:24:57respected and they get real

5:24:59results. I set up meetings with

5:25:00law enforcement, city officials,

5:25:02and service providers to get

5:25:04families what they need in real

5:25:05time. And despite having no

5:25:07building, no city support, and

5:25:09no city recognition, I produce

5:25:10measurable outcomes. I also

5:25:12work with the Youth Detention

5:25:13Center, and I work with youth

5:25:15and youth and our communities.

5:25:17When parents have no support

5:25:18for behaviors or whatever they

5:25:20are facing. When I see

5:25:21firsthand the needs of our

5:25:23young people, our issues is not

5:25:25just a county problem, a city

5:25:27problem, or a community

5:25:28problem. It's a everyone's

5:25:29problem. The question is who's

5:25:31going to stand and who's going

5:25:32to sit? I meet regularly with

5:25:34agencies such as Mayor

5:25:35Carolina, the local reentry

5:25:37councils and other

5:25:38organizations. We work

5:25:39together, we share information,

5:25:41we collaborate to address

5:25:42barriers. The issue is we have

5:25:44businesses coming in who don't

5:25:46even want to support reentry.

5:25:48My work speaks for itself. At

5:25:50the end of the day, I've been

5:25:51doing this and I continue to

5:25:52stand and do this. Whether you

5:25:54like me, you dislike me or

5:25:55whatever it is, one thing I can

5:25:57tell you, as Chief Brayton said

5:25:59to us, we're working to

5:26:01mitigate crime. We'll never

5:26:02stop crime. But everything I

5:26:04do, I've assisted over 150

5:26:06individuals are getting jobs,

5:26:07housing and everything. Thank

5:26:09you. Will respect me.

5:26:11Thank you, Mr..

5:26:11Murphy.

5:26:19Mayor, our next speaker is Mr.

5:26:21Zachary Traylor.

5:26:30Mr. Traylor.

5:26:32Good evening.

5:26:34Um, I'm actually going to have

5:26:35something that's a little bit,

5:26:37uh, less stressful. I coach

5:26:39kids soccer at Jordan Soccer

5:26:40Complex, and then I play in the

5:26:42co-ed thing. I just wanted to

5:26:43bring up because I've been here

5:26:45for, like, five years with the

5:26:46soccer thing, and there's been

5:26:47issues with the soccer program.

5:26:49And to start off, one of the

5:26:51big issues is we don't have

5:26:52enough fields. I coach six and

5:26:54seven year olds and they have

5:26:55games all day Saturday and then

5:26:57Sunday, uh, all day the fields

5:26:59are used again. So there's the

5:27:01fields are not the best. I know

5:27:03there's a contract and it gets

5:27:05complicated. The relationship

5:27:06between Methodist University,

5:27:08the city and FSC soccer. But a

5:27:10huge issue is there is a big

5:27:12soccer community here. Fort

5:27:14Bragg has it. The, uh, Terry

5:27:16Sanford offers games. Douglas

5:27:17Byrd it's a huge area and it's

5:27:19not utilized properly. And the

5:27:21FSC soccer program, they don't

5:27:23allow for people who work with

5:27:25them to help these other, you

5:27:27know, for a non nonprofit, just

5:27:29soccer clubs. And so we've had

5:27:30the Carolina crew, the Fury who

5:27:32closed down a lot of these is

5:27:34because of the infighting that

5:27:35happens at Jordan Soccer

5:27:36Complex and at um, with the the

5:27:39company and the contracts and

5:27:41all that stuff. And it's a real

5:27:42issue because there's only

5:27:44eight fields and only two of

5:27:45them are technically owned by

5:27:46the city that can be used, uh,

5:27:48any day of the week. So I

5:27:49wanted to bring that up just

5:27:50because I love kids soccer. I

5:27:52love the kids there. They they

5:27:54bring us to our last nerve. But

5:27:55I love seeing them being able

5:27:56to just kick a soccer ball.

5:27:57Well. And I wanted to bring it

5:27:59up because the season starts

5:28:00this Saturday. So if anyone

5:28:02wants to see some kids, try

5:28:03their best to kick a soccer

5:28:04ball, please come out to Jordan

5:28:06Soccer Complex. That's all.

5:28:12Madam clerk.

5:28:14Mayor, our next speaker is Mr.

5:28:16Jose Cardona.

5:28:22Mr. Cardona.

5:28:23Good evening.

5:28:24Mr. Mayor. Members of the

5:28:26council.

5:28:27I hope you're all doing well

5:28:28today. I am Jose Cardona. I

5:28:31live at 233 Edison Street in

5:28:33the city of Fayetteville, North

5:28:35Carolina. It took it took for

5:28:381990 and beyond to now to

5:28:41finally get something going in

5:28:43Murchison Road. Thank you Lord.

5:28:45Little too late, but still

5:28:47good. I just hope that the

5:28:49people who will be going into

5:28:51these apartments and everything

5:28:53that they will keep him clean,

5:28:55serviceable, and they would

5:28:57also be able to share it with

5:28:59the other people. Today, as I

5:29:01came to the last time in front

5:29:03of you about the data centers,

5:29:05I talked to you about five

5:29:06elements. Remember, the main

5:29:08element was the fifth element,

5:29:09which is our children. We got

5:29:11to look forward to the future

5:29:12of what the children must have,

5:29:14will need, and we could get it

5:29:17from these people that are

5:29:18trying to build a data center

5:29:19here. I'm against it. I'm

5:29:21against the front giggle so is

5:29:23everybody that's coming here in

5:29:262007 July to be perfectly

5:29:29clear, the city of Eastover,

5:29:32they ran away from the city of

5:29:34Fayetteville. They they took

5:29:36the things and says, we don't

5:29:37want you to do nothing with

5:29:39Fayetteville because

5:29:40Fayetteville was annexing like

5:29:42crazy. Remember, Marshall

5:29:44Pitts, you know that during

5:29:46that time period, everybody was

5:29:48going bananas. I come tonight

5:29:51not to tell the people of

5:29:52Eastover what to do. Or the

5:29:53city of Fayetteville, but I'm

5:29:55going to tell you that

5:29:56Cumberland County already got

5:29:57the six month moratorium

5:29:59already approved. Not only

5:30:01that, they're already working

5:30:02in the on the on the foundation

5:30:04of where they're going to put

5:30:05this thing regardless if they

5:30:08put it in Eastover, which they

5:30:10can't, and neither can the city

5:30:11of Fayetteville, it's against

5:30:13the law. It's against their

5:30:14constitution. They have a city

5:30:16council over there. And not

5:30:18only that, you have to go

5:30:19through Raleigh before you

5:30:21could get this done and

5:30:22approved. You don't have no

5:30:24basis of doing this to them.

5:30:26But there's a button and

5:30:28everything in life, right? But

5:30:30if you decide to go with the

5:30:31Cumberland County and decide to

5:30:32take over the land, there's two

5:30:35options that you have that are

5:30:36very popular. You haven't even

5:30:38thought about it. One, you

5:30:40could take the swamp land that

5:30:41they have. You could dig

5:30:43everything out of the swamp

5:30:44land, build the dome data

5:30:47center in the swamp, and then

5:30:49cover it up. Believe it or not,

5:30:53we have ten of them in the

5:30:54United States. We could also

5:30:56find an empty cave. Cave or

5:30:58cavern in the city of

5:30:59Fayetteville or in that area of

5:31:01Eastover and put it in the

5:31:03cave. They don't have to be in

5:31:05the open air. They don't have

5:31:06to be in nobody backyard. They

5:31:08could be, hey, make a cave, dig

5:31:11a hole, bury them. The

5:31:13temperatures would be much,

5:31:14much cooler. Get it? And they

5:31:16would keep themselves nice and

5:31:19cool. But again, my worry is

5:31:21the fifth element. Again, my

5:31:23grandchildren, which I got 11.

5:31:25I want to see the future. I

5:31:27don't want them to do like my

5:31:28children.

5:31:28They like you.

5:31:29Thank you, Mr. Carter. Thank

5:31:30you. Yes, sir.

5:31:31You have to be.

5:31:37Mayor, our next speaker is Mr.

5:31:39Benjamin Holmquist.

5:31:48Good evening, sir.

5:31:49Hello. Good evening.

5:31:53My name is Ben Holt from Strong

5:31:55Towns, Fayetteville. Um, last

5:31:58month I talked about the need

5:31:59to lower speed limits within

5:32:00the city to a maximum of 35mph.

5:32:04This reduction in speed would

5:32:05have major impact on the

5:32:06survivability of pedestrians in

5:32:09a crash, especially in school

5:32:10zones. This reduction will also

5:32:12have many other societal

5:32:14benefits at almost no cost in

5:32:16time to the drivers, and they

5:32:18will even save money. This

5:32:20speed reduction on most of our

5:32:22streets would require a

5:32:23redesign to influence people to

5:32:25to drive at the lower speed

5:32:27limits, though. However, there

5:32:29are some streets that are not

5:32:30designed for 50mph, but still

5:32:33have 45mph speed limits. Rim

5:32:36road between Cliff Dale Road

5:32:38and Raeford Road is two lanes

5:32:40with no shoulder and open

5:32:42ditches for stormwater. Driving

5:32:44north from Raeford Road, it is

5:32:4635mph, but for no apparent

5:32:48reason it then changes to

5:32:5045mph. The conditions don't

5:32:52change. The lanes are the same

5:32:54width, the shoulders don't

5:32:55widen and there is the same

5:32:57amount of conflict points.

5:32:58There are two bus stops, but no

5:33:00sidewalk or even a place to

5:33:02wait for the bus away from

5:33:03traffic. There is also an

5:33:05elementary school and a

5:33:06recreation center at the north

5:33:08end of Rim Road. This street

5:33:10does not need a redesign to be

5:33:12lowered to 35mph. A significant

5:33:16span of 71st School Road has

5:33:19the same conditions. Two narrow

5:33:21lanes, no shoulder and

5:33:23stormwater ditches, but is also

5:33:25marked for 45mph. Last

5:33:27November, Kenyon Johnson, an 18

5:33:30year old high school senior,

5:33:31was riding his bicycle to the

5:33:3371st high school football game

5:33:35when he was hit by a car on

5:33:3771st School Road and died. I

5:33:40don't know if the I don't know

5:33:41if the driver was speeding, but

5:33:43I do know that it likely

5:33:44doesn't matter. A person

5:33:46outside of a car has almost 0%

5:33:48chance of surviving a crash at

5:33:5150mph. These are just two

5:33:53examples that I am familiar

5:33:55with. I'm sure there are more.

5:33:57However, most streets that I

5:33:59have encountered that fit this

5:34:00description are already 35mph.

5:34:04Oak Loop Road, Bunce Road,

5:34:06Philyaw Road, Shaw Mill Road

5:34:08and more are very similar to

5:34:10Rim Road in 71st School Road,

5:34:11but are already 35mph. These

5:34:15streets are the low hanging

5:34:16fruit for improving safety in

5:34:18Fayetteville. These reductions

5:34:20can be voted on as early as

5:34:21next week and implemented by

5:34:23the end of the month, at the

5:34:24cost of a few signs. The

5:34:26majority of you voted to lower

5:34:28the speed limit of a similar

5:34:30street from 35mph to 25mph last

5:34:35month, so these should be a no

5:34:36brainer. I look forward to

5:34:38safer rim roads and 71st school

5:34:40roads in the near future. Thank

5:34:42you.

5:34:47Mayor, our next speaker is Mr.

5:34:49Sandy Pickard. Mr. Sandy

5:34:53Pickard, not present. Next

5:34:56speaker is Mr. Austin Wylie.

5:35:03Good evening, sir.

5:35:06Austin Wylie, district six. I

5:35:08want to talk a little bit about

5:35:09election interference and

5:35:11election integrity. We know the

5:35:13federal administration is

5:35:14feeling the threat of losing

5:35:15power in the upcoming midterms.

5:35:17This is evidenced by the

5:35:18widespread attacks on Mail-In

5:35:19voting and not so subtle

5:35:21threats of sending federal

5:35:22agents or troops illegally to

5:35:24the polls, among various other

5:35:26threats. Let's be honest, this

5:35:29administration will challenge

5:35:30the midterms midterm results,

5:35:32and no one really knows what

5:35:34that will look like or how that

5:35:35will play out. That puts us on

5:35:37a dangerous glide path already.

5:35:40However, what we can control is

5:35:41the preemptive response at the

5:35:43municipal level and up to the

5:35:44state level. As you may have

5:35:46seen recently, chairman of the

5:35:47Joint Chiefs of Staff, General

5:35:49Dan Kane, recently went on the

5:35:51record claiming he has no plans

5:35:52and has not received any

5:35:54direction from the

5:35:55administration yet to have

5:35:58federalized troops at the

5:35:59polls. Were being federalized.

5:36:02That said, constituents are

5:36:03rightly concerned with the

5:36:04threats such as these in the

5:36:06possibility of federal agents,

5:36:07Ice customs, Border Patrol,

5:36:08marshals, etc. or federalized

5:36:11troops at the polls. Moreover,

5:36:14GOP nominee for the Governor of

5:36:15Maine, Bobby Charles, said he

5:36:16would ask his bro. Tom Homan,

5:36:18the so-called borders are to

5:36:20have Ice agents at the polls in

5:36:22Maine. There is a precedent

5:36:25being set in other locales, and

5:36:26we would like some reassurance.

5:36:27There is a proactive versus

5:36:29reactive response in place.

5:36:31This is a valid threat worth

5:36:32considering and deserving of

5:36:34preemptive response. So this

5:36:36begs the question how does the

5:36:38city plan to respond if if the

5:36:40federal administration makes

5:36:41good on their threats to the

5:36:42citizens of North Carolina,

5:36:43Cumberland County, and of

5:36:44course, Fayetteville, I realize

5:36:46the likelihood is low in our

5:36:48area. Excuse me, is in our

5:36:51area. I also realize the

5:36:53various state and county Board

5:36:54of Elections bodies are

5:36:55responsible for carrying out

5:36:56the elections themselves.

5:36:58However, the citizens would

5:36:60benefit from knowing our

5:37:00elected officials have our

5:37:01backs and will not tolerate

5:37:03interference in our elections.

5:37:05To that end, as a

5:37:06representative of the

5:37:07Fayetteville Resistance

5:37:08Coalition, we would like to

5:37:09elicit a formal and public

5:37:10response from the council on

5:37:12what the city plans to do when

5:37:15the federal administration

5:37:16makes good on their threats,

5:37:17either before, during or after

5:37:19the elections. And we kindly

5:37:20ask for a formal public

5:37:21statement to address these

5:37:22concerns to residents and

5:37:24constituents. I'd also like to

5:37:26point out that we have reached

5:37:27out to Attorney General

5:37:28Jackson's office, the

5:37:29Cumberland County Sheriff's

5:37:30Office, and Fayette PD, with

5:37:31similar requests. Since this is

5:37:32a multi-layered problem set, I

5:37:34also look forward to attending

5:37:35next Wednesday's Community

5:37:37Public Public Safety Board,

5:37:39where I will address this issue

5:37:41to narrow the scope with regard

5:37:42to APD and how or if they are

5:37:44addressing this issue, let's

5:37:46please not be dismissive and

5:37:48take a wait and see approach.

5:37:49Also, while you're at it,

5:37:51please pass the damn data

5:37:52center moratorium. Alrighty.

5:37:54Thank you.

5:38:00Madam clerk.

5:38:01Mayor, our next speaker is miss

5:38:03Dawn Atkins. Hurley.

5:38:12I love it.

5:38:13Good evening. Mr..

5:38:15Good evening.

5:38:16Council members. and unpaid

5:38:19peaceful protesters. I'm Dawn

5:38:21Adkins. Hurley from district

5:38:22two. Let's take a walk down

5:38:24memory lane. May 30th, 2020 A

5:38:28George Floyd rally started

5:38:31peacefully on Sky Bow Road.

5:38:32Mayor Colvin and Police Chief

5:38:34Hawkins attended the rally,

5:38:36moved downtown to the market

5:38:37House, where it became a riot.

5:38:40Businesses and property were

5:38:42vandalized. The market House

5:38:43was set on fire, while citizens

5:38:45and business owners frantically

5:38:47called Colvin and city offices.

5:38:49Colvin watched the scene from

5:38:51monitors and told the police

5:38:53and fire department to stand

5:38:54down. July 2020 The Village

5:38:59Voice A Black Lives Matter

5:39:00offshoot, camps out at the

5:39:02market House. One midnight,

5:39:04ATVs began racing around the

5:39:06market House and downtown

5:39:08sidewalks. Citizens and

5:39:10business owners called Colvin

5:39:12and city offices. There were no

5:39:14response and no arrests. I

5:39:16observed the camp out, talked

5:39:18to the organizers. One man

5:39:20stood out, so I talked to him.

5:39:22He was sent from California

5:39:23offices of Black Lives Matter

5:39:25to assist and observe. He was

5:39:28the only paid protester I have

5:39:30ever encountered. The results

5:39:33of these actions by lawless

5:39:34thugs, and Colvin's refusal to

5:39:36act was deterring citizens from

5:39:39coming downtown. March 2022

5:39:44dismissed charities, forced

5:39:46neighborhoods around Kane Road

5:39:47to accept a prison facility in

5:39:50their backyards. Local

5:39:51residents paid for a lawyer and

5:39:53fought the facility, only to

5:39:55lose when the argument went to

5:39:56the state appeals court.

5:39:58Councilman hair, where the

5:40:00facility was proposed in his

5:40:02district. Comment. Ma'am? It's

5:40:04done.

5:40:04Ma'am.

5:40:04Excuse me. Ma'am.

5:40:05Then wait.

5:40:06Ma'am, for them to do.

5:40:07something wrong and we can do

5:40:09something about it.

5:40:10Ma'am.

5:40:13Calling individual members,

5:40:15okay? Because a lot of things

5:40:16you're saying are not true. But

5:40:17we can't respond to what you're

5:40:18saying. Well, well, but please

5:40:20make your comments without

5:40:21personal account.

5:40:23There you go.

5:40:24Thank you.

5:40:41First, are you going to give us

5:40:42a moratorium to protect us from

5:40:44the greedy thugs that want to

5:40:46exploit our city? Are you going

5:40:47to let our city burn with

5:40:49pollution and environmental

5:40:51disasters? These data centers

5:40:53were, will bring. And are we

5:40:55supposed to just live with it?

5:40:56How do we fix the damage once

5:40:58it's done? Give us a

5:41:00moratorium. It's in your hands.

5:41:02History, and the voters will

5:41:04judge you. Thank you.

5:41:11Madam clerk.

5:41:12Mayor, our next speaker is Miss

5:41:14Angela Tatum. I'm not present.

5:41:20Our next speaker is Fern Davis.

5:41:26Good evening.

5:41:27I was going to be cordial, but

5:41:28y'all kind of just upset me. So

5:41:30if you don't want to be caught

5:41:31up by name, don't run for

5:41:32office.

5:41:32Yeah. No, we're not doing that

5:41:34today, sir.

5:41:34I'm not calling anyone by name.

5:41:35All right, Miss Mayor. Okay.

5:41:38Um. But also, maybe it

5:41:39happened. I missed it, but this

5:41:41council is a formal apology to

5:41:43Carol Olinger and the other

5:41:44protesters you kicked out

5:41:46during the public hearing last

5:41:47month. And I haven't seen it

5:41:51yet. So y'all were an apology.

5:41:57And the other protesters, too.

5:41:58But honestly, I don't want to

5:42:01be here right now. Okay, I'm

5:42:02tired of this. I'm tired of

5:42:03talking about data centers.

5:42:04There's other issues the city

5:42:05has. I would much rather be at

5:42:07home right now eating dinner,

5:42:08snuggled up with my partner,

5:42:09pretending not to be interested

5:42:11in Grey's Anatomy. Thank you.

5:42:13It's a pretty good show.

5:42:14Terrible writing, but I can't

5:42:15stop. The point is, we don't

5:42:19want to be here. Okay. Tired of

5:42:20this? Pass the moratorium.

5:42:22You're already agreed. At least

5:42:24quite a few of you. And I

5:42:25appreciate you all for that, I

5:42:26truly do. Okay, I know I can be

5:42:27a little confrontational, but I

5:42:29do truly appreciate those of

5:42:30you who voted to to to to take

5:42:33a step back and think about

5:42:34what we're doing. That means a

5:42:36lot. Okay. So I will say thank

5:42:37you to those of you that did

5:42:38that. Okay. Um, but just taking

5:42:42a look back, does it protect

5:42:44us? Okay. Waiting doesn't

5:42:46protect us. Passing another 180

5:42:48day like. Sorry. That pause.

5:42:49Come on, y'all. You'll put a

5:42:51moratorium on a moratorium.

5:42:52What is that? That's the

5:42:54silliest performative thing I

5:42:55think I've ever seen a city

5:42:56council do. What are we doing?

5:42:58Pass the moratorium. You

5:43:00already said at least many of

5:43:01you agree that we need a little

5:43:02more time to get this right. I

5:43:05can't believe I'm saying this,

5:43:06but follow the county, for

5:43:07God's sakes, and just pass a

5:43:09six month to a year moratorium,

5:43:11something like that. And take

5:43:12the time that gives the city

5:43:14council, the staff and the

5:43:17public. And that includes not

5:43:19just residents. Right. We talk

5:43:20a lot about residents of

5:43:21Fayetteville, but people in

5:43:23this county have a stake in

5:43:24this city. They should be heard

5:43:26on this. Um, a chance to to not

5:43:29just argue, but also to

5:43:30collaborate and get this thing

5:43:32right. Okay. The second reason

5:43:34I think we probably probably

5:43:35should go for a year, give us

5:43:37the most time, is that I've

5:43:39heard a lot of talk about how,

5:43:41well, if we don't pass this, if

5:43:42we pass a moratorium, we're

5:43:43gonna miss this opportunity.

5:43:44Good. Any opportunity trying to

5:43:46be pushed down our throats like

5:43:47this is a boom and bust cycle,

5:43:48and we don't need any more half

5:43:50finished projects in this city.

5:43:51There's so many. And the third

5:43:55reason, frankly, it should be a

5:43:56year is that, uh, it's an

5:43:58election year next year. And

5:44:00people don't forget when it's

5:44:02close to election time, right?

5:44:04But honestly, I mean, my

5:44:06thoughts are a little

5:44:07disorganized. The last thing

5:44:08I'll do is I will say thank you

5:44:09to those of you who are

5:44:09obstinate and don't want to

5:44:10listen and want to scoff and

5:44:12want to treat people like we.

5:44:16Our views don't matter. Um, I

5:44:19lost my train of thought. You

5:44:22work for us. Don't get too

5:44:24comfortable in those seats.

5:44:25There are seats.

5:44:33Madam clerk.

5:44:34Mayor, our next speaker is Miss

5:44:36Babette Augustine.

5:44:49Hi, everyone. This is, uh, a

5:44:51new experience for me. I've

5:44:53never done this, so, uh, um, my

5:44:55name is Babette Augustine. I

5:44:57live at 1935 Partridge Court.

5:45:00Uh, and I was at the city

5:45:04council meeting, uh, in August,

5:45:06and, uh, I, uh, I owe the mayor

5:45:09an apology, and and so I've,

5:45:12I've written something, and I

5:45:15have to. I have to get my

5:45:16breath. This is a I'm usually

5:45:18on the other side of the

5:45:19camera. I spent time reporting

5:45:22for years, actually, for 32

5:45:24years. So, uh, I owe you an

5:45:27apology for a message that, uh,

5:45:30that I delivered publicly. That

5:45:32that really was meant to be

5:45:34delivered privately. And that

5:45:36was sort of this message that

5:45:38my well, let's call it my

5:45:39higher power gave me. Right.

5:45:41And, uh, there's some other,

5:45:43you know, coincidences. But,

5:45:45uh, at any rate, you know, your

5:45:47vocation, Mayor Colvin, uh, as

5:45:50I want to say, final responder

5:45:52a I mean to life, you put the

5:45:55roll in, you're like human

5:45:56wailing wall. I mean, the work

5:45:58that you do. And I did not mean

5:46:00to make light of that when I

5:46:03referred to the, you know,

5:46:04referring taking poison bodies

5:46:06over the Rainbow bridge and and

5:46:09I and that. But I was I was

5:46:12overwhelmed, I have to tell

5:46:14you, overwhelmed by the city

5:46:15council meeting. It was my

5:46:17first one as like a sit here

5:46:18and wait the whole time. I used

5:46:19to just come and take

5:46:20photographs and leave. Right.

5:46:22You know, I had a deadline to

5:46:23do, um, and I, uh, I, I thought

5:46:31of all of the people in this

5:46:32community. I've met people in

5:46:34my short time here, victims of

5:46:35Agent Orange are burn pits or

5:46:38Pappas or any of the other

5:46:40things. I mean, it hurts my

5:46:42soul, my my soul was really

5:46:45pained. And so I'm. Okay, so I.

5:46:53And I gave you an answer, and

5:46:55and the answer came to me and

5:46:58it's. So it's not about the pot

5:47:00of gold. It's about the

5:47:01rainbow. Right? In the end,

5:47:03it's about it's not about the

5:47:04pot of gold. It's about the

5:47:06rainbow. And, uh, so I was

5:47:10going to get all pissy and

5:47:12quote something from Tennessee

5:47:14Williams. I'm not going to do

5:47:15that. So I'm going to be a lot

5:47:17more hopeful because there was

5:47:18a lot of hope here tonight.

5:47:20Right? And shoot. Um, and, and

5:47:23I really want to respond to all

5:47:24of the really good stuff I

5:47:25heard tonight so that, that

5:47:26really that that gave me a lot

5:47:28of hope. Right. And, and I'm

5:47:30wearing, I'm wearing a scarf in

5:47:32honor of, of, um. Oh, God, I'm

5:47:35so nervous. Jane Goodall.

5:47:37Right. This is the Jane Goodall

5:47:38scarf, and it's all about hope.

5:47:40So I came back from, uh, East

5:47:42Providence, Rhode Island

5:47:43recently, and on their city

5:47:44hall, the big logo, it says it

5:47:48says East Providence. And the

5:47:49big logos is pro bono publico

5:47:53for the good of the public.

5:47:54Thank you. All right.

5:47:55And then the last, the last,

5:47:57lesson, Latin lesson, I.

5:47:58Yeah, yeah.

5:47:59Time's actually up.

5:48:00Oh, okay. Well, anyway, I want

5:48:01to thank you. And I'm sorry,

5:48:03but, you know, we don't need a

5:48:05data center. We need time.

5:48:06Thank you, thank you.

5:48:06Ma'am.

5:48:12Mayor, our next speaker is Miss

5:48:15Jamie Gibson. Miss Jamie

5:48:18Gibson, not present. Our next

5:48:21speaker is miss J. White.

5:48:27Good evening, Miss White.

5:48:29Mayor.

5:48:31I'm Reverend Jay white. I'm

5:48:33retired clergy from the United

5:48:35Methodist church and a founding

5:48:37board member of Organizing

5:48:39Against Racism. Cumberland

5:48:41County. I mentioned both of

5:48:42those things because as a

5:48:44person of faith, I am entrusted

5:48:47to care for God's creation. I

5:48:50am also called to love my

5:48:52neighbor. All of my neighbors,

5:48:55neither of these theologies

5:48:57allow for intentionally causing

5:48:59harm, which these data centers

5:49:01most assuredly do. I have

5:49:03listened over the last few

5:49:05months to impassioned pleas

5:49:08from concerned citizens from

5:49:10all walks of life, all levels

5:49:12of profession, and people whose

5:49:15lives will be impacted in in.

5:49:19You heard the what they said

5:49:22today. Um, intimately. I have

5:49:26not heard any factual reason to

5:49:28plow ahead with the

5:49:29construction of a facility that

5:49:32will harm the environment and

5:49:33the people who inhabit this

5:49:35community. It makes no logical

5:49:38sense. And yet some of you have

5:49:42ignored your constituents. It

5:49:46seems the only people who will

5:49:48benefit from plowing ahead will

5:49:51be people who financially

5:49:53benefit from its construction.

5:49:56Mr. Davis, I owe you an apology

5:49:59for an email I sent after the

5:50:03vote around the 711. I felt

5:50:06like the council was not

5:50:08listening to people then, but

5:50:10there's still time to do the

5:50:11right thing. I do apologize for

5:50:14my attitude. Um, and at the

5:50:16same time, I'm asking you as a

5:50:21as a resident of district two

5:50:24to please vote for a moratorium

5:50:27so that we can get this right,

5:50:29so that people can get, um,

5:50:32their facts straight about what

5:50:35this will bring to our

5:50:37community. Because at this

5:50:39point, I don't see any benefit.

5:50:42Um, except to line some

5:50:46people's pockets. Thank you.

5:50:55Madam clerk.

5:50:56Mayor, our next speaker is Miss

5:50:58Cynthia Leakes. Okay. All

5:51:03right. Our next speaker is Miss

5:51:05Brooke Rose.

5:51:12Good evening, ma'am.

5:51:14Hello.

5:51:15So I.

5:51:16Just had a.

5:51:17Few things to say when I was

5:51:18looking into all this and

5:51:19listening to all the comments

5:51:20that were made, I noticed that

5:51:22a lot of the comparisons were

5:51:23to the lounging county. Um, to

5:51:26their setup. And so that got me

5:51:29to thinking and like

5:51:30everything. Um, so I'm one of

5:51:32those homes that were initially

5:51:33in the county, and I got

5:51:35annexed into the city, and so

5:51:37mine was the only neighborhood,

5:51:39every other thing else. So my

5:51:41rent went from 1600 to $2200

5:51:48overnight. Ooh, hot. Lucky me.

5:51:51And so when that happened, I'm

5:51:53one of those houses that nobody

5:51:54knows who police are supposed

5:51:56to come. Which fire station is

5:51:58supposed to come? I don't have

5:52:00city water, I have sewer, I

5:52:02have my own all outside the

5:52:04city resources. So that being

5:52:06said. So of course the data

5:52:07center in the city is going to

5:52:08affect now because they want to

5:52:10put me on city water. Make me

5:52:12curious. So Loudoun County, I

5:52:15came from there. That's where

5:52:17we moved here from in 2017. My

5:52:19kids, we lived there. My city's

5:52:20went to the public schools,

5:52:21amazing public schools. And

5:52:23then my daughter had to go to

5:52:24Jack Britt. That being said,

5:52:27um, let's talk about it. They

5:52:30get $100 million from their

5:52:34data centers. Cannot compare

5:52:37that to what you're bringing

5:52:38here. We get no tax benefit

5:52:40benefits. From my

5:52:42understanding. They have all

5:52:43kinds of mass tax resources.

5:52:46They use that $100 million to

5:52:48cost or to counteract the

5:52:50effects of the water, the

5:52:52electricity. And even now

5:52:54they're putting on a pause.

5:52:56They don't want anymore because

5:52:57of the damage and stuff that

5:52:58it's doing to their city. Yeah,

5:53:00it's a lot, but they get $100

5:53:04million in tax revenue that

5:53:05goes directly to their schools,

5:53:08their cities. That's the amount

5:53:10that they put towards after the

5:53:12cost that they put into fixing

5:53:14the water resources. We're not

5:53:16getting that. And as they

5:53:17already admitted in the last

5:53:18meeting, there's only like 50

5:53:20jobs. So my question is, when

5:53:23I'm doing all these things

5:53:24because in the military, they

5:53:26talk us to do this decision

5:53:27matrix thing, why then would we

5:53:29bring one here? What benefit

5:53:31does it have for us really? And

5:53:34so I started researching the

5:53:35company that is going to build

5:53:37here. Well of course me and

5:53:39minority little self. I'm like,

5:53:41well let me see how this all

5:53:42fits together. Well why can you

5:53:46not find any information on

5:53:48these people? You can't.

5:53:50They're invisible. Then I'm

5:53:52looking. And the last time they

5:53:55had a project this big, they

5:53:57had not secured the financing.

5:54:00So that was a whole nother

5:54:01story. So now I'm going in and,

5:54:02oh, I'm not paying. I'm just

5:54:04doing my little research

5:54:05because I'm just a little old,

5:54:07retired officer with nothing to

5:54:09do, sitting at home with my

5:54:11dogs. And I'm researching it

5:54:14and I'm going in and I'm going

5:54:15to a library and I'm trying to

5:54:16find out these companies and

5:54:17these people.

5:54:18That's correct. Guess what?

5:54:19I'm sorry. Time's up.

5:54:21They don't exist.

5:54:23Thank you.

5:54:30Mayor, our next speaker is Miss

5:54:32Terry Thomas.

5:54:37Miss Thomas, good evening.

5:54:38Good evening. Mayor.

5:54:40Good evening, Mayor Colvin and

5:54:42city council. I'm Terry Thomas.

5:54:43I'm in district four. I'm here

5:54:46tonight in support of the

5:54:47temporary moratorium on

5:54:49hyperscale data centers. And

5:54:51tonight, I don't want to focus

5:54:52on electricity or water. Those

5:54:54concerns matter. But my

5:54:56question is even simpler. Why

5:54:58not pause long enough to just

5:54:59get it right? A moratorium is

5:55:02not a no. It's not

5:55:04anti-business, anti-growth, or

5:55:06anti-technology. It's simply

5:55:08saying before we make decisions

5:55:10that could affect Fayetteville

5:55:11for decades, let's make sure we

5:55:13understand what we are

5:55:15approving and that our

5:55:16ordinances are prepared for it.

5:55:19Technology is changing

5:55:20incredibly fast. The computing

5:55:22demands of today may look very

5:55:24different five, ten, or even 20

5:55:25years from now. Advanced

5:55:27computing technologies,

5:55:28including artificial

5:55:29intelligence, AI, high

5:55:31performance computing, and

5:55:32potentially quantum related

5:55:34technologies continue to

5:55:35evolve. I am saying we should

5:55:38just be asking whether the

5:55:39rules we put in place today are

5:55:41strong and flexible enough for

5:55:43technologies in the uses that

5:55:45may come tomorrow. Which leads

5:55:46me to another question what

5:55:49ultimately are benefits? Who

5:55:51will these facilities serve?

5:55:53Who and what will be produced

5:55:55and accomplished inside of

5:55:56them? And most importantly, how

5:55:58will we, the people of

5:55:59Fayetteville, benefit from

5:56:00having them here? Will our

5:56:02local businesses benefit? Will

5:56:04there be partnerships with

5:56:05fellow State University, FTC,

5:56:07Methodist Public Schools, our

5:56:09workforce development programs

5:56:11that can allow our people to

5:56:12actually work there and thrive?

5:56:14What are the measurable

5:56:16economic benefits that will

5:56:17remain here in Fayetteville?

5:56:19Those are not non anti

5:56:21development questions. They are

5:56:23responsible development

5:56:24questions. Once we approve the

5:56:26development of this magnitude

5:56:28some decisions may be very

5:56:29difficult to reverse. But what

5:56:31we have now is extremely

5:56:33valuable. We have time on our

5:56:35side. We have time to study. We

5:56:37have time to ask questions. We

5:56:38have time to strengthen our

5:56:39ordinances. We have time to

5:56:41determine what Fayetteville

5:56:42should require in return, and

5:56:44time to make sure that whatever

5:56:46comes here doesn't simply

5:56:48happen to Fayetteville, but it

5:56:49actually benefits Fayetteville.

5:56:51So I respectfully ask those who

5:56:54remain hesitant about the

5:56:55moratorium, what do we lose by

5:56:58taking the time to just get it

5:56:59right? And perhaps more

5:57:01importantly, what could our

5:57:02community lose if we don't get

5:57:04it right? A pause is not

5:57:06stopping progress. Sometimes a

5:57:08pause is how you make sure

5:57:10progress is progress. Thank you

5:57:13for listening.

5:57:20Mayor, our next speaker is Mr.

5:57:23Stewart Williams. Mr. Stewart

5:57:27Williams, not present. Our next

5:57:30speaker is Mr. Joseph Schwab.

5:57:34Mr. Joseph Schwab, not.

5:57:36Present.

5:57:38Our next speaker is Mr. Joshua

5:57:41Reed.

5:57:49All right, Mr. Reed.

5:57:56You all already know me. I've

5:57:59lived in Fayetteville and now I

5:58:00live in Cumberland County. I

5:58:02have my whole life and I love

5:58:04this place. I claim this city

5:58:05as my own because it is my

5:58:07home. It has made me and it has

5:58:09formed me. Which is why I am so

5:58:14passionate and so disappointed

5:58:18in some of you. I'm not going

5:58:22to call you by name. But some

5:58:26of you didn't like the word

5:58:27that I used last time. That

5:58:29word was corruption. I used

5:58:32that word because that is what

5:58:34I see. I see internal decay,

5:58:38and I see a lack of

5:58:39consideration for the voices of

5:58:42the people who make this city

5:58:44run, because we are the ones

5:58:48who make it run, and we are the

5:58:51ones who put you in these seats.

5:58:55Some of you sit there with

5:58:58pompous looks on your faces

5:59:01and. But inside I know you are

5:59:03scared. Or is there another

5:59:06reason why? At the last meeting

5:59:08there were officers with loaded

5:59:10R's. Some of you are just

5:59:16cowards. You think that you are

5:59:19so high and mighty in those

5:59:22seats, yet you have betrayed

5:59:25the trust of the people who

5:59:26voted you into those seats. And

5:59:30shame on every single one of

5:59:32you. I am not the first person

5:59:34to say it, and I will not be

5:59:37the last. And I will also not

5:59:40be the last person to make a

5:59:42promise that if this continues,

5:59:45you will no longer have those

5:59:47seats because some of you,

5:59:50frankly, just don't deserve to

5:59:53enjoy the privileges of sitting

5:59:55in elected seats because it is

5:59:58a privilege to work for the

6:00:00people of Fayetteville, North

6:00:01Carolina. The people have

6:00:04spoken. You do not get to make

6:00:06the rules without consulting us

6:00:09first. And you certainly do not

6:00:11get to have your feelings hurt.

6:00:13When I and others speak nothing

6:00:17but the truth, you are

6:00:20corrupted as officials and as

6:00:23individuals. You do everything

6:00:25you can to shirk

6:00:27responsibility. The people of

6:00:29Fayetteville deserve far better

6:00:32than what some of you are

6:00:34capable of giving. You have the

6:00:36day. Each of you deserve.

6:00:44Madam.

6:00:46Mayor, our next speaker is Miss

6:00:47Kristi Davis.

6:00:50Did you skip one?

6:00:52Uh, Miss Vanessa Reid spoke

6:00:54earlier. She was a rollover

6:00:57from last month.

6:00:58Okay.

6:00:58Yeah.

6:00:59All right.

6:00:59Good evening, ma'am.

6:01:00Good evening.

6:01:02I'm Kristi Davis.

6:01:03I live in.

6:01:04Eastover, and I was going to

6:01:07speak tonight to offer

6:01:08compromise. I am against data

6:01:10centers, but as I was a music

6:01:13teacher and I taught music

6:01:14theory to five year olds for

6:01:15over 30 years, and grown ups

6:01:17can sometimes get stuff a lot

6:01:18more complicated than it should

6:01:20be. Um, I when I was mowing my

6:01:22grass yesterday, a three step

6:01:24plan just came into my

6:01:26thoughts. The first step is

6:01:28just say no. The second step

6:01:30says follow procedures and the

6:01:32third step says have courage.

6:01:34Or as my daughter says, be

6:01:36brave. So point number one,

6:01:38just say no. I want to go

6:01:40further than the moratorium.

6:01:41But it's still a compromise. My

6:01:43main concern is against

6:01:44hyperscale data centers. If the

6:01:46city and county would ban these

6:01:48types outright, that would

6:01:50solve so many of the

6:01:51environmental and public

6:01:52impacts. So ban hyperscale data

6:01:55centers. Number two, follow

6:01:57procedures. We have industrial

6:01:59areas already zoned in the city

6:02:01and the county. There's all

6:02:02these factory buildings.

6:02:03Goodyear's getting ready to be

6:02:05available. Um, so if you would

6:02:08build the centers like you went

6:02:09on tour to see those office

6:02:11style and the medium sized ones

6:02:13and put them in those areas,

6:02:15people already know that that's

6:02:17what the land is zoned for, so

6:02:18they wouldn't be so shocked and

6:02:20upset by zoning issues. So put

6:02:22data centers where they belong.

6:02:24Number three have courage. Be

6:02:26brave. I do not know or

6:02:29understand what promises were

6:02:30or were not made. But we should

6:02:32not be scared of tearing Nix's

6:02:34ventures. If we call a halt to

6:02:37the project off the coaster

6:02:38avenue, there may be

6:02:40repercussions, but I believe we

6:02:42have really smart lawyers

6:02:43around here who can help smooth

6:02:45out litigation. If Tarboro and

6:02:47Edgecombe County can tell them

6:02:49to go somewhere else, so can

6:02:50we. It's better to get out now

6:02:53before the building starts. And

6:02:54they are they piling it up over

6:02:56there off of Beard Road. They

6:02:57got motor graders and stuff.

6:03:00They are ready as soon as y'all

6:03:02vote a certain way. Um, the

6:03:04public deals with governmental

6:03:06blunders a lot. For example,

6:03:08the fire station that has to be

6:03:10rebuilt or the performing arts

6:03:11venue that didn't work out. And

6:03:13our tax dollars are funding

6:03:14those little blunders. So I say

6:03:17in funding a litigation against

6:03:18the data center, I will have

6:03:20your back on that. Um, because,

6:03:22uh, don't be scared to do the

6:03:24right thing. So that's my

6:03:25pitch. Just say no, follow

6:03:27procedures and have courage.

6:03:29Now, I've been really scared

6:03:31and upset about the impacts of

6:03:33this data center near my home,

6:03:34and the only real authority I

6:03:36can turn to is God Almighty.

6:03:37And he told me not to have a

6:03:39spirit of fear. And he said, no

6:03:41weapon formed against me will

6:03:42prosper. And he said, let go,

6:03:44and he will handle it. So

6:03:46either he will send

6:03:47discernment, courage, and

6:03:48empathy to our leaders, or he

6:03:50will take me home where I won't

6:03:51see it no more. And if it is

6:03:52built, he can still send a

6:03:54hurricane or a tornado to tear

6:03:55it all down. Either the

6:03:57invocations you hold during

6:03:58meetings mean something to you

6:04:00or they don't. And I did want

6:04:02to express my appreciation

6:04:03about y'all working on the

6:04:04studios. And thank you for

6:04:05letting me speak.

6:04:06Thank you ma'am.

6:04:07Yes sir. Mr. mayor, Mr. Mayor,

6:04:14Mr. mayor.

6:04:16Uh, hold on.

6:04:16A second, madam Chair.

6:04:18We have finished with our

6:04:20in-person speakers. We have one

6:04:23written comment. Um, the second

6:04:25written comment. Mr. Joshua

6:04:27Read spoke in person.

6:04:28Okay. All right, all right.

6:04:30Yes, sir. Sir. Thank you, Mr.

6:04:32Mayor. At this point.

6:04:34I move that the council suspend

6:04:36its rules to add an item to

6:04:37tonight's agenda. That item is

6:04:39a motion directing the city

6:04:41manager and the city attorney

6:04:42to prepare a development

6:04:44moratorium ordinance on data

6:04:46centers in accordance with

6:04:48General Statute 160. Delta dash

6:04:51107.

6:04:53All right. As a motion by

6:04:54Councilmember McMillan. Is

6:04:56there a second to it? All

6:05:01right. A motion for lack. For a

6:05:03second. All right. Council

6:05:04motion to adjourn.

6:05:07Change. You better.

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