2026-09-28 - City Council

06:10Nor do we welcome those who are

06:12joining us in the audience,

06:13those who may be joining us

06:14remotely. We welcome you as

06:16well. Uh, as with every

06:17meeting, we start with the

06:19invocation. We'll ask that

06:20Pastor Wesley Pritchard from

06:22the Fayetteville Community

06:23Church if he would please come

06:24to the podium. If all could

06:25please stand for the prayer

06:27immediately following. If we

06:28could repeat the Pledge of

06:29Allegiance. Pastor, how are

06:30you? Good. Thank you sir.

06:31Good seeing you again. Let us

06:32pray. Lord, we thank you so

06:34much for tonight. We thank you

06:35for the opportunity that we

06:36have to even be in this room

06:38together. Lord. Father, I thank

06:39you for your word when it says

06:41in the book of James that if we

06:42need wisdom and knowledge, we

06:44ask, and it will be given to

06:45us. Not so. Lord, we ask you,

06:47in everything that we do in

06:48this place tonight, we just

06:50give you thanks because we know

06:51that's your will. Father, we

06:52thank you for this city that

06:53you've given us. We thank you

06:55for all of these leaders that

06:56you've given us, Lord. And we

06:57ask you that you show them up

06:59by the power of the Holy

07:00Spirit. God, we ask you that

07:02everything that we do tonight

07:03would be pleasing to you. And

07:04let goodness and mercy follow

07:06us every day. In Jesus name,

07:08Amen.

07:08Amen. Amen.

07:10Pledge allegiance to.

07:11The flag of the United States

07:13of America and to the Republic

07:15for which it stands. One.

07:17Nation under God, indivisible,

07:21with liberty and justice for

07:22all.

07:23Thank you, pastor, so much. Um,

07:25it's good to see you again. If

07:26you can tell us a little bit

07:28about yourself and your

07:29ministry.

07:29Yes, sir. Federal Community

07:31Church started in 1972. So I'm

07:34a I'm a second and a third

07:35generation pastor. Uh, my mom

07:37and dad started with just 13

07:39people, and the Lord has

07:40blessed us for over 50 years.

07:41And we kind of carry the motto

07:43of LG Leo. And that's loving

07:45God and loving each other. And

07:46I hope I can be around to carry

07:48it to the next generation. I

07:50thank you for the opportunity

07:50tonight, sir.

07:51Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you

07:52for joining us. Give pastor a

07:53round.

07:53Of applause.

07:57All right. Council, as we move

07:59to, uh, have one announcement,

08:01go to Council member Jones.

08:03Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, I

08:04just want to announce tomorrow

08:05night, uh, there will be a

08:07community meeting at Country

08:08Club. Community outreach

08:10center, 651 Country Club Drive.

08:14Uh, we'll discuss some updates.

08:15Uh, as it relates to the city.

08:17In addition, we will have some

08:18state legislators present to

08:20discuss. Excuse me. The three

08:23constitutional amendments that

08:25will be on our ballots and all

08:27are welcome. Thank you, Mr.

08:28Mayor. 630 to 8:30 p.m.. Thank

08:32you.

08:32Thank you. Thank you. Council

08:34Member Jones. And, uh, council

08:36moving to the next item of

08:38business. Uh, go to the city

08:39manager for his report.

08:41Good evening. Mayor. Um,

08:43Council members of council. Um,

08:45several quick announcements

08:47tonight. Um, I want to first

08:48start by taking a moment to

08:50recognize and congratulate, uh,

08:53the city of Fayetteville on

08:54receiving multiple honors at

08:55the up and coming weekly, um,

08:5729th Annual Best of

08:59Fayetteville Awards that were

09:00held on Wednesday, September

09:0323rd. The city was recognized

09:05in three categories, those

09:06being. The market House was

09:08named the Best Historical

09:09Building. Uh, Lake Rim Park was

09:11named the best local picnic

09:12area and highways and

09:14infrastructure was named as the

09:16best use of local tax dollars.

09:18And we have those awards

09:19upstairs and will display those

09:20against all the other awards

09:22that the city has received.

09:23These recognitions reflect the

09:25hard work and dedication of our

09:26Employees Council, and

09:27continued commitment to

09:28providing quality facility

09:29services and investments for

09:32our community. I'd also like to

09:35announce to the Council and to

09:36the community, thank you.

09:38Because we were recognized by

09:40the Fayetteville Fire

09:41Department for being awarded

09:42the staffing and adequate Fire

09:44and Emergency Response or Safer

09:46Grant, which will provide staff

09:47support for 18 personnel that

09:49will provide staffing for our

09:52ladder trucks. Chief. And, um,

09:55uh, is this a four year

09:56commitment for your commitment?

09:59The grant provides direct

10:00federal funding to local fire

10:01departments and volunteer

10:02firefighter organizations to

10:05help recruit training, hire,

10:07and retain frontline personnel.

10:08This award will provide

10:10valuable support to the

10:11Fayetteville Fire Department

10:12and strengthen our ability to

10:13provide fire and emergency

10:14services to our community.

10:16Again, congratulations to the

10:17Fayetteville Fire Department. I

10:25don't see him here or them

10:28here. Rather, I suspect they're

10:29all at home somewhere.

10:30Hopefully getting a well-earned

10:32rest. But, um, mayor and

10:34council, on behalf of the

10:35entire community, I'd like to

10:36say thank you for your support

10:38for 900 Future Fest. Um, as you

10:41know, and as the people who are

10:42here who participated in the

10:44events over this past weekend,

10:46uh, starting on, I think it was

10:48Thursday night as well, with

10:49the opening all the way through

10:50the concert on Saturday. We

10:52learned a lot. Um, we, um,

10:55strengthened the community a

10:57great deal. And anyone who

10:59attended the concert on

11:00Saturday night also had a

11:01great, great time. The artists

11:03were amazing. And that all that

11:05things should go. Not only

11:06counsel for your vision, but

11:07also to Fayetteville next

11:08commission for putting it on,

11:10as well as our FCC and all of

11:12those young people who were

11:13there as well to support that

11:14effort. Um.

11:16Yeah.

11:18Um, and I won't name any names,

11:21but we actually had a local

11:23citizen and highly connected to

11:25a member of our community who

11:27actually volunteered and

11:28provided a guitar for Lloyd to

11:30play with as well. I mean, so

11:31when you make the call out to

11:32folks that you need assistance

11:34with stuff Fayetteville is that

11:35can do city. And we had someone

11:37step up to the plate and for

11:39one last announcement, mayor,

11:41I'd ask that, um, Jody, come

11:44forward, um, and bring our

11:46newest employee that we'd like

11:47to introduce on behalf of our

11:49manager's office to the council

11:51and to the community as well.

11:53Good evening, mayor and

11:54council. And our community. It

11:56is a great pleasure tonight to

11:58introduce Miss Karla Banks to

12:00you. Today is her first day

12:02with the city of Fayetteville.

12:03And one of our newest

12:05residents. She will be joining

12:06us as our Director of Marketing

12:08and Communication. I'd also

12:10like to take a moment to thank

12:11David Scott and Sherri Kropp,

12:13who stepped up for the last

12:14several months to lead the team.

12:19They are both back in the AV

12:21room, making sure this

12:23broadcast goes off well, but we

12:24appreciate their dedication and

12:26and no one's happier than they

12:27are to have Karla here. But I'd

12:29like to introduce her. Welcome

12:31to Fayetteville. Welcome to the

12:32team. Thank you, Manager.

12:36Phelps. Welcome. Good evening.

12:38Good evening, mayor and members

12:40of City Council. I am thrilled

12:42to join the city of

12:43Fayetteville. Looking forward

12:45to meeting you individually and

12:46working with each of you. Also

12:48eager to work with and

12:49collaborate with my fellow

12:50department directors, promoting

12:53their great services and

12:54programs, and continuing the

12:56excellent work that my team is

12:57already doing. And last but not

12:59least, I'm really excited to

13:01serve the Fayetteville

13:02community. Um, America's can do

13:05city.

13:06Thank you.

13:11All right. Well, certainly we

13:13thank you. Um, ACM Phelps, I

13:15know you've worked hard, as you

13:17mentioned, with David and the

13:18other members of the team. So

13:19we welcome you tonight, uh,

13:21ma'am, and we'll promise to be

13:23on somewhat best behavior

13:24tonight. So we'll welcome you

13:26all. Alright. And, um,

13:27certainly. Kudos again to, uh,

13:30uh, federal next and FCC, which

13:33is the Fayetteville Cumberland

13:34County Youth Council, um,

13:36making an investment in that

13:37next generation and getting

13:38them activated was the whole

13:40purpose of those two

13:41organizations. And, uh, they

13:43really showed that that is

13:44really coming to life here. So,

13:46um, kudos to them as well. Uh,

13:48Doctor Hewitt, if you could

13:50talk about, uh, Wednesday, the

13:52community, uh, listening

13:54sessions that will take place

13:55at, at the various locations in

13:57the times.

13:58Yes, sir.

13:58I I'm sorry. I apologize for

14:00not bringing that up. Um,

14:02doctor Mansfield. And are you

14:03can you come forward and

14:04describe those? Um, and Doctor

14:06Newton as well? I know you have

14:08been involved as well. If you

14:09could come forward as well. Uh,

14:11I don't think that Mr. Bradbury

14:12is here with us this evening.

14:14Uh, but thank you, mayor, for

14:15that. And the staff will is

14:16coming forward to talk about

14:18this input sessions that we're

14:19going to have on, uh,

14:21telecommunications and data

14:22centers, sir.

14:24Mayor, um, council members,

14:26this Wednesday, we will be

14:28holding a data center

14:29discussion with the community.

14:30We're looking to get feedback.

14:32Uh, hear what residents have to

14:34say on the six topics that we

14:36have. Water, electric,

14:39setbacks, appearance,

14:40emissions. Uh, there will be

14:42one at ten to noon at College

14:43Lakes. Next one, 2 to 4 at

14:45Massey Hill in the last one at

14:47Cliff Dale rec from 6 to 8.

14:52All right.

14:52Thank you.

14:55Okay. All right. All right.

14:56Look forward to it. So, uh,

14:58again, those times, uh, are

15:00also on the, um, I'm sure on

15:01our social media sites as well

15:03as probably the website. Uh, if

15:05you needed more information

15:07about that, uh, that

15:08information is available. So

15:09council with that, we will, uh,

15:12look to approve the agenda.

15:13We'll work on our sure systems.

15:15So if we can get a motion to

15:16approve. Motion by

15:16Councilmember Haire, seconded

15:18by Hondros. Any discussion on

15:19the motion to approve the

15:20agenda? All right, Council,

15:22look to you for your votes.

15:27All right. All right.

15:29Madam clerk, motion carries.

15:30Unanimous council. Moving to

15:32the consent items 7.0 A, I

15:36think, uh, Mayor Pro tem.

15:37Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mr.

15:39mayor, we would like to pull

15:40item 7.04 and items 7.06.

15:49Okay, so there's a motion to

15:51approve. With the exception of

15:547.084 and 7.086. Is that a

15:58second Councilmember Hondros?

16:00Yes. Seconded by Hondros. Uh,

16:02discussion on the motion. All

16:03right, counselor, look to you

16:04for your votes.

16:14All right.

16:16All right. Madam clerk. Motion

16:18carries. Unanimous. Uh, 7.084.

16:22Um, yeah. Um, so that'll be a

16:25separate up or down vote. But I

16:26think, Councilwoman Green, you

16:27had a question that you want to

16:29ask of council.

16:31Yes, Mr. Mayor, thank you. I am

16:33part owner in that property at

16:35131 Pepsi Lane. And I need to

16:38ask to be recused from that

16:39vote.

16:40All right.

16:41So, uh, we're in a madam

16:44attorney. Can she make the

16:45motion of her recusal? All

16:46right, so, Mayor pro Tem.

16:47Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move

16:48that we recruit recuse.

16:51Councilwoman Green from this

16:52item.

16:53All right.

16:53All right, there's a motion by

16:54council. Uh, mayor pro tem and

16:56seconded by Davis. Um, on the

16:58short system discussion on the

17:01motion. Uh. All right, Council,

17:03I look to you for your vote,

17:04and this is for recusal.

17:05That's correct.

17:11All right. It's unanimous by

17:13those voting. And, uh, so

17:15Councilmember Green is recused.

17:17Um. All right. Council, go back

17:19to you, Mayor pro Tem.

17:19Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mr.

17:20mayor. Move that. We approve.

17:22Item 7.08 for the request for

17:25reconditioning. Zone of 131

17:27Pepsi Lane.

17:28All right. There's a motion by

17:29Mayor Pro Tem, seconded by, uh,

17:31Davis. Uh, discussion. All

17:34right, counselor, I look to you

17:35for your.

17:35Votes.

17:44All right.

17:45Madam Clerk. Motion carries.

17:46Unanimous. Uh, 7.086. Um,

17:51Councilmember Davis. And then,

17:53uh, McNair had concern. Well,

17:55you you were good with it. All

17:57right, so what we did, we

17:58pulled the whole item, so we'll

18:00need to we need to vote

18:01separately for that. So you can

18:02make the motion for oh, uh, for

18:04district two's, Maloney Avenue.

18:07I move that we approve the

18:10demolition for 303 Maloney

18:12Avenue.

18:13All right. Is a motion by

18:15Councilmember Davis and

18:17seconded by. Is that here?

18:19Carries on the system. All

18:21right. Um, discussion on that

18:24motion. And this is just for

18:26303. Maloney. All right.

18:28Council activity votes.

18:31All right.

18:32Madam clerk. Motion carries.

18:34All right. The remaining

18:36portion of 7.086 is, uh,

18:40Council Member McNair.

18:42Thank you. Mayor.

18:44Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to

18:47remove, um, 6313, 63, 25 and

18:556329 Raeford Road from the

18:59demolition ordinance to allow

19:01the owner to complete the

19:03demolition at his expense, with

19:06staff to report back to council

19:08in 30 days on progress.

19:11All right. This is a motion by

19:12council member here. Uh, for

19:14the question, I mean,

19:15Councilmember McNair, here's

19:17the second.

19:18I have a question.

19:19Okay. Does she have a second on

19:21that motion? Second about

19:23Ferguson. Okay. All right. Uh,

19:25discussion on the motion.

19:26Councilmember hair.

19:27Just to make sure that we're in

19:28order.

19:29And I completely agree.

19:31With the council lady on the

19:33direction she wants to go. Help

19:36me with this, uh, city manager

19:39or attorney. Normally, the way

19:41we do these when we want to

19:43give the property owners an

19:45opportunity to move forward, do

19:49don't we keep it on the demo

19:51list and but give them a time

19:55frame to do what they have to

19:57do so it doesn't come off the

19:59demo list and we have to start

20:00over again, just for clarity,

20:02for clarification.

20:03That is correct. We keep it on

20:05the demo list.

20:08All right. So is that our

20:11motion for this evening that it

20:12stays on the demo list? Also,

20:16I'm asking. Yeah. The the

20:18motion made was to remove it to

20:21return in 30 days. Uh. and

20:24probably need specificity. If

20:26you wanted to come back to this

20:28point. Uh, I know you asked for

20:30staff progress report. Did you

20:32want it to come back to this

20:33point? In case you want to

20:35pursue the because the the

20:38motion was not specific on that

20:40part. Tony. Michael. Um, turn

20:43your mic on there.

20:44You keep turning around.

20:45Michael. Also, I would like to

20:47add the owner shall remain

20:50responsible for, uh, complying

20:52with all applicable permitting

20:56environmental asbestos

20:59demolition and site clearance

21:00requirement for completing the

21:02work within the time frame

21:04established by uh city staff.

21:07Uh, okay.

21:09So what are you asking?

21:10Well, I'm trying to get clarity

21:12on your motion. So right now,

21:13your motion was to remove it

21:14with a 30 day check in, I

21:16guess. Um, if you want to add

21:19those conditions that you just

21:22said, which I'm sure they

21:23understand, if you pull the

21:24permit, it's got to be

21:25applicable to state, federal,

21:26and local law. Um, the question

21:29is, in 30 days, did you want it

21:31to come back to the council or

21:34would this be just a progress

21:35report for staff?

21:37Could you just change the

21:38terminology from remove to

21:39pause? And the consequence.

21:41Or table? It could be table.

21:43To come back to council.

21:45You could table it for 30 days.

21:47It could come back. And then

21:49staff can give us an update as

21:51to where it is. You know, we

21:52know that they have to comply

21:53with applicable law. But uh, if

21:56if you chose to amend your

21:57motion to reflect that, that'd

21:58be between you and

21:59Councilmember Ferguson. So if

22:00you would amend it to table it

22:02to return in 30 days or. You

22:07want.

22:08To speak for a second?

22:09Yeah. Because I had another

22:10question.

22:11Madam attorney.

22:12Yes, sir. Mayor Colvin, she

22:13would like to remove them from

22:16the demo list at this time. And

22:19if progress has not been made

22:20in 30 days, we'll bring it back

22:21for council's consideration. To

22:23put it back on the demo list.

22:24Okay, so that'll be a staff

22:26initiated item at that point.

22:28Yes, sir.

22:28Okay.

22:29Similar to the way.

22:30These guys Council, are we

22:31clear.

22:31On my motion, Mr. Mayor?

22:34Okay.

22:34That's what I would like to do.

22:35All right. So the motion is to

22:37remove from the demo list. It's

22:39seconded by Councilmember

22:41Ferguson. Uh, included in the

22:42motion was a check in about

22:44compliance with state and

22:46federal local law at the

22:48expense of the owner. And a 30

22:50day check in by staff. But it

22:52is not returning to the list to

22:54the demo list unless there's

22:55another action. Okay, we

22:57counsel, we clear. All right.

22:59Council. Any more discussion on

23:01that? Councilman here?

23:04No, I'm very much in support of

23:08my council. Uh, friend, my

23:10colleague. I just want to make

23:12sure that we clearly understand

23:15what we're saying, because I've

23:16done so many of these. If I

23:19would have made the motion, I

23:21would have said that, um, we

23:28pause the demo with the city

23:30for 90 days, not allowing it to

23:33come off of the demo list. That

23:36would give the people that are

23:38going to do the the demo 90

23:41days to do it. If they don't do

23:43it in 90 days, it doesn't even

23:45have to come back to City

23:46Council. It will still be on

23:48the demo list to be demo.

23:50That's how.

23:51In other words, you're saving

23:52time.

23:53So. Right. And so before we

23:55conflate that, so what what

23:57he's saying is that he would

24:00move forward with the order,

24:00but you could stay it while

24:02certain things happen, meaning

24:03that the order is there. If if

24:05it passed and it stayed. Your

24:07motion is to remove it with 30

24:10days, they will report back

24:12where they are, and then at

24:13that point it would have to

24:15start this process back over

24:16again. Yes.

24:17Yeah.

24:18And so that's the motion that's

24:20on the floor.

24:20So I'm actually I want to save

24:23time. Yeah I prefer okay.

24:25Well those are your two options

24:26right there. So the way you

24:28have it it will have to come

24:30back for action again.

24:32Okay.

24:33The way Councilmember Harris

24:34talking about it would it would

24:36pass the orders in place and

24:38then it stayed or paused until

24:41it's paused.

24:42Mr. mayor.

24:43Yes, sir.

24:44Um, had the risk of not

24:46confusing it somewhat. I think

24:48what, um, gives council member

24:51McNair some hope that the

24:52motion that she put forward

24:53will work. Is that, um, the

24:55owner did come in on Friday and

24:57does have a valid permit and

24:58did introduce me to his

25:00contractor, but doctor here is

25:03correct. We have had a lot of

25:04things happen like that before,

25:06but I think given the interest

25:08and where we are, um, that you

25:10can do it either way, the way

25:11the motion reads or in a safer

25:13way, which is what doctor here

25:14said. But, um, we will be

25:17following this very, very

25:18closely. Um, either way, that

25:19council would like to proceed.

25:20Yes, sir. I would like to make

25:22a friendly.

25:24Amendment to your motion.

25:25To your motion?

25:26Yeah. You don't need his

25:27permission. I don't need

25:28because I. I.

25:29Know you were just talking.

25:30I know I was just trying.

25:31To help you. All right, all

25:33right. Council. Okay. So.

25:35So do what he said. Say that

25:36again, Mr. Hair. Okay.

25:40So, um. As far as item 7.086, I

25:47would move that 631363, 25, 60,

25:5663, 29 Raeford Road, be put on

25:59a stay, but remain on the demo

26:03list for demolition. I like

26:05that and.

26:05That's right. So that would be

26:06an amendment. Councilmember

26:08McNair or withdrawal. So you

26:10amend it to reflect that. And

26:11if so, Councilmember Ferguson

26:13would have to agree to that.

26:14Well, I amend it.

26:16All right. So that's friendly

26:17amendment accepted by

26:19Councilmember McNair and

26:20Ferguson, the makers of the

26:21motion. Uh, this is to proceed

26:24with a stay, um, to, uh, allow

26:29the owners to to do that. And,

26:32uh, and so we we've certainly

26:33done that before. And I think

26:34this item goes back to, what,

26:362022? But, um, okay. All right.

26:39So any other discussion of

26:41questions, Council member

26:41Hondros you had relied on.

26:42Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

26:44Uh, Doctor Newton, I think we

26:45had discussion upstairs. Uh,

26:48didn't you confirm those

26:50permits were pulled today?

26:52Yes. Yes, sir. I did.

26:57So for my edification and for

26:59the residents in attendance and

27:01those listening when the

27:02permits pulled, you typically

27:04have, what, six months to act

27:05on it?

27:06Typically they, uh, they have

27:08to have their first action

27:09within six months on a permit.

27:11Um, indication. Um. Yes. When a

27:18permit has been pulled, they

27:19have six months to take action

27:22on it. Indication has been that

27:24they were looking quicker. But,

27:26um, they have with a permit in

27:28hand, they have up to six

27:29months. The demolition process

27:31itself takes quite a bit of

27:33time, uh, that we do internally

27:35and 90 day stay on. That is a

27:37process that we've used many

27:39times. Uh, that has that

27:41backstop. In the event nothing

27:42occurs.

27:45Thank you sir.

27:46Appreciate it. All right.

27:48All right Council, I will look

27:50to you for action on this.

27:52Item.

27:54Can we restate the motion for

27:57before we vote on it, please?

27:59All right. As a motion,

28:02Councilmember McNair, from

28:03saying it. Correct or not, let

28:05me know. There's a motion to

28:07continue or proceed with the

28:08demolition, but it is stayed.

28:10Um, to further actions taken by

28:13council. Uh, and that was the

28:15amended the latest amended

28:16motion.

28:18It was Steve amended.

28:2090 days.

28:21So it was 90 days. Staff. Okay.

28:24Continues to stay on the demo.

28:26Yes, sir.

28:26All right.

28:27So council look to you for your

28:28vote. All right. Uh, um, who

28:36are we missing? Council member

28:40okay. All right. Motion carries

28:428 to 2. Those voting in

28:44opposition. Uh, Green and

28:46Hondros. All right. Council

28:49moving to public hearing. This

28:55time, we are preparing to hold

28:57the public hearing where the

28:58City council formally seeks

28:59your input. Uh, individuals

29:01desire to speak in the hearing.

29:02Must have signed up to speak

29:03with the city clerk by name and

29:05address before the start of

29:06tonight's meeting. We'll begin

29:07with a staff presentation. Then

29:09we will move into a formal

29:11hearing. 15 minutes will be

29:12allowed for those in favor and

29:14those who oppose the item of

29:15hearing. Individual speakers

29:16are limited to three minutes

29:18each, unless by previous

29:19arrangement. A single

29:20spokesperson is designated, in

29:21which case the spokesperson may

29:23use the entire 15 minutes. When

29:25the city clerk calls your name,

29:26ask that you please come to the

29:27podium. Please clearly state

29:29your name and address for the

29:30record. May then begin to

29:31address the council when the

29:32light changes from green to

29:33amber means you have 30s

29:35remaining and the timer will

29:36ring, or the light will turn

29:37red at the end of your allotted

29:39time. So with that, I'll turn

29:40it over to you. Sir.

29:43Yes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh,

29:45members of council, uh, Scott

29:47Walters, with our development

29:49services department. This is an

29:50appeal of a zoning commission

29:53denial for a rezoning for case

29:56P 2639. Uh, the property owner

30:04is, uh, Mr. Arlen Novak. Um,

30:07the applicant was Kevin Cole of

30:10Kevin Cole Designs. The request

30:13was to go from SF ten to SF

30:15six. Uh, the property location

30:17is 5210 Arbor Road. Um, the

30:20size of the property is roughly

30:230.44 acres. Um, it is in, um,

30:26Doctor Ferguson's district.

30:31Here's an aerial map of the

30:34area. Uh, the property is

30:36located, um, to the west of

30:40Ramsay Street. Um, and to the

30:42east of, uh, Stacey Weaver

30:45Drive along Arbor Road. The

30:56zoning, um, to the east, uh, is

31:00LC limited commercial. Um, and

31:04to the north, and the zoning to

31:07the south and the west is SF

31:09ten single family residential.

31:15The future land use plan has

31:17the property designated as low

31:19density residential. Low

31:21density residential is defined

31:22mainly as single family

31:25residential with some accessory

31:27dwellings, occasionally with

31:29duplexes and townhomes. The

31:34subject Property property is an

31:37undeveloped woodlot. The

31:39applicant's request to rezone

31:41the property from SF ten to SF

31:44six to support the proposed

31:46development of a four unit

31:48townhome project. The case was

31:51denied by the Zoning Commission

31:53during the August 11th meeting,

31:56with a vote of 4 to 1, and

31:58there was one speaker in

31:59opposition present at that

32:00meeting, after which the

32:02applicant filed, um, the

32:05attached appeal to the city

32:07Council. A rezoning request for

32:14the same property, uh, to go

32:16from SF ten to Mr. five. Case

32:20number P 2605 was denied by the

32:25City Council in March of this

32:27year. The staff and Zoning

32:29Commission at the time

32:30recommended that SF six, which

32:32would allow additional single

32:34family development flexibility

32:35while maintaining a low density

32:37residential framework

32:39consistent with the future land

32:40use plan. The Zoning Commission

32:42completed its legislative

32:44hearing on February 10th and

32:47adopted a consistency and

32:48reasonableness statement

32:50supporting SF six, the

32:51applicant appealed that

32:53recommendation, requiring a

32:55public hearing before the City

32:56Council. After discussion, the

32:59applicant's representative

33:01indicated a willingness to

33:02withdraw and resubmit a

33:04conditional zoning request, and

33:06the City Council moved to adopt

33:08the Mr. five request and

33:09encouraged the applicant to

33:11reapply with conditions. The

33:14current um rezoning request,

33:17case 2639, is a straight

33:20rezoning to SF six. No

33:22conditions are included. This

33:28is the surrounding properties.

33:30Um, you're looking down the

33:32street from the property to a

33:35dead end. Um, in the one

33:38picture, there is a single

33:39family home to the right of the

33:41property and a wooded lot to

33:44the left. Across the street is

33:46also a wooded lot and then

33:48catty corner across the street

33:49is a single family residential

33:52house. Um, compared with SF

33:58ten, SF six permits, smaller

34:01residential lots and offers

34:03additional flexibility for uh

34:05compatible infill development.

34:08However, it does not allow the

34:09height, density, or building

34:12scale associated with the mixed

34:13residential Mr. five zoning.

34:15This reduces concerns, um,

34:19related to building mass

34:20lighting, parking demands,

34:22service areas and traffic along

34:25Harbor Road. Although the

34:27development could remove part

34:29of the existing vegetative

34:30buffer, future construction

34:32would remain subject to the

34:34applicable dimensional um

34:36access. Drainage and

34:37development standards. The

34:41Zoning Commission denied the

34:44application uh to rezone

34:48approximately 0.44 um acres at

34:515210 Arbour Road from SF ten to

34:55SF six. Um, and as we know,

34:58we're here, uh, the applicant

34:59filed an appeal. The options

35:05tonight, um, approval. Uh, the

35:08recommended action from the

35:10staff recommend approval of the

35:12zoning map amendment as

35:14requested. Find that the

35:16request is consistent with the

35:17future land use plan and

35:19reasonable to local context as

35:21outlined by the consistency and

35:23reasonableness statement. Um,

35:25the the next would be approval,

35:27but to a more restrictive

35:29district recommend approval of

35:30the zoning map amendment uh

35:32from 6 to 1 more restrictive

35:35but uh, consistent with the

35:38future land use plan and

35:40reasonable to local context

35:42with amended consistency and

35:44reasonableness statement. Uh,

35:46or denial um recommended by the

35:49Zoning Commission. Um, denial

35:53of the proposed map amendment.

35:54Find that the request is

35:56inconsistent with the future

35:57land use plan and unreasonable,

36:00uh, to the local context. And

36:04that is it for me, sir.

36:06Thank you. Sir. So with that,

36:11we'll open the public hearing.

36:12Madam clerk.

36:14Mayor, we have three speakers.

36:16One in favor, two in

36:17opposition. Our first speaker

36:19is Mr. Arlen Sobotka.

36:31Good evening sir.

36:32Yes, sir. Um.

36:34Good evening. Good evening

36:35everybody. Good name smell. Uh,

36:37my name is Arlen Sobel. Um, I'm

36:41a veteran. I'm a government

36:43government contracting. Um,

36:46yeah. Um, bike spa is about

36:49like, four months ago. Um, I

36:51initiated this, um, this

36:52project whereby my first I

36:55mean, the most intention was to

36:57kind of give more opportunity

36:58to service members to be able,

37:00based on the some, uh, leaving

37:03the service, um, to be able to,

37:06to have the option of

37:08accommodation, um, coming to

37:09serve here down there in Fort

37:10Bragg. Um, I choose to have a

37:15little bit of.

37:17Um.

37:18More accommodation on the

37:21building with four units of

37:22townhouse because, uh, just

37:24right down to the close to that

37:27land is a really, uh, compound

37:30of townhouses, and it's close

37:33to, um, also a limited

37:35commercial like, uh, Mr. Scott

37:37just presented it to you, to

37:39you guys, to your attention. So

37:41when I started it, Mr. Cole,

37:44who was my designer, he wanted

37:47to go, um, a little bit of Ml5.

37:50So we went here to to the board

37:52commission. Uh, based on the

37:55density and based on, um, the

37:57single family around you guys

38:00back in the day, recommended

38:02for you to have the. Instead of

38:03Ml5. That will give you more

38:06possibility to go on the skiff

38:08so I can just with, uh, uh,

38:10with the condition that I was

38:13going to have the for townhouse

38:16and everything. How it's

38:18supposed to be based on the law

38:19and regulation. So which we

38:21did, we went to the TRC. It was

38:23approved. Consequently, we

38:25moved up all the way based on

38:27what you guys are recommending.

38:29Uh, Mr. Cole and myself to do.

38:32So it happens that on the

38:35August 11th, we my party, me

38:38and Mr. Cole were not notified

38:40of the the zoning that was

38:42going to happen here. So wish

38:45that day the history behind

38:48this whole process was not

38:49presented to you. I guess you

38:50guys attention or will not

38:51present it to the to the board

38:53commission. So to kind of let

38:55them know about, hey, this is

38:56the history, this is why we

38:57recommended the client to do

38:59and this is what he has done.

39:01So, uh, based on that, the

39:03planner, they were also

39:06surprised of the outcome. So

39:08they cannot recommend me and

39:10Majesty who is here also. Mr..

39:12Mr. Cole, the architect to to

39:16go ahead and appeal it. So it

39:18should be just me coming out

39:19here and presenting kind of

39:21remind kind of like go over the

39:22history of this case to see if

39:25everything makes sense. Because

39:26what I've been told to do, uh,

39:29I did it. So that's basically

39:31that's why I'm here. Thank you.

39:34Okay.

39:35Thank you sir.

39:37All right.

39:38Well, I'll have to call back

39:39for any questions. Madam clerk.

39:40Mayor, our next speaker is Mr.

39:42David North.

39:50Good evening, sir.

39:52Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Good

39:53evening, Mr. Mayor. Members of

39:55the council. My name is David

39:56North and I live adjacent to

39:585210 Arbor Road. I respectfully

40:01ask that you deny the request

40:03to rezone this. Approximately

40:040.44 acre SF ten parcel for a

40:06four unit townhouse

40:08development. I am not opposed

40:10to reasonable development. My

40:12concern here in this proposal

40:14is not is that the proposal is

40:16not compatible with the

40:17established single family

40:18character of our neighborhood

40:20and is not adequately

40:22addressed. The impacts on

40:24adjacent homeowners. This is

40:25not simply an empty. This is

40:27not simply simply just an empty

40:29lot. It is a substantially

40:31wooded parcel that currently

40:32serves as a natural buffer

40:34between our SF ten neighborhood

40:35and nearby commercial activity,

40:37including a busy private road

40:39servicing the Aldi's Applebee's

40:41and a large, busy gas station

40:42behind and to the north of the

40:43property. The trees help screen

40:46commercial lighting, traffic

40:47noise and visual activity,

40:48clearing the lot for a large

40:50building, parking driveways,

40:51outdoor lighting, HVAC units

40:53and other infrastructure would

40:56remove that important

40:57protection. The recently

40:59proposed four unit structure

41:01was approximately 34 foot tall,

41:04taller than most of the

41:05telephone poles in the area,

41:06and appear to be setback only

41:08about 25ft from the front

41:09property line. By comparison,

41:11the adjoining the adjoining

41:13home is setback approximately

41:1540ft. That would place a much

41:17taller and larger building

41:18roughly 15ft closer to the

41:20street than the existing

41:21neighborhood pattern. Even if

41:23those dimensions could be

41:24permitted under a requested

41:25zoning district, they are not

41:26compatible with the scale,

41:28setbacks, and character of the

41:30surrounding SF ten homes. I

41:32would infer that allowing it to

41:34be rezoned would mean a similar

41:36sized structure would be

41:37proposed in this place, three

41:39units. Two units. I'm not sure

41:41exactly. There are also

41:43practical site concerns. A

41:44townhouse on a small parcel

41:46means additional resident

41:47vehicles. Visitor vehicles,

41:49deliveries, trash collection

41:50and service traffic utilities.

41:52The city should require a

41:53detailed plan showing adequate

41:55on site parking, safe driveway

41:57access and egress onto Arbor

41:59and Kenwood Road. Trash

42:01collection, vehicle turning

42:02limits the project should not

42:04create overflow parking block

42:06sightlines or unsafe conditions

42:07on the neighborhood streets. I

42:10also ask the consider to the

42:12city to consider noise and

42:13privacy, since there is not a

42:15current townhouse plan. As the

42:17time of me writing this,

42:19rezoning this for multiple

42:20units may require additional

42:22HVAC condenser units. These

42:24units can operate day and

42:27night, especially during hot

42:28weather, and recently proposed

42:31our 15 attic installation on

42:33the emitted townhouse drawings.

42:34Our neighborhood includes many

42:35long term residents, veterans,

42:38retirees, including people who

42:40are home during the day and

42:41depend on safe, predictable

42:43access to their homes.

42:44Construction of this project

42:46project would bring tree

42:48clearing, grading, heavy

42:50equipment, noise, truck

42:51traffic, and possible driveway

42:53disruption if the city

42:54considers approval, it should

42:56require.

42:56Thank you. Thank you sir.

42:58Okay.

42:58Yeah.

42:59Thank you.

43:00All right, madam clerk.

43:02Mayor, our our final speaker is

43:04Miss Wilma Lee Noonan.

43:11Good evening, miss Lee Lennon.

43:14Yes, my name is Wilma Lennon.

43:17Lennon and I live on

43:18Candlelight Drive, which is

43:20within the one 1000 foot area.

43:26And I'm concerned that every

43:27other home lot has adhered to

43:31the SF ten since 1962. And

43:35there are still some lots that

43:37are empty. There are five

43:39within immediate vicinity on a

43:422 to 7. Kenwood, 1 to 11.

43:44Prince Charles one at 219,

43:46Prince Charles and 5202, of

43:49course, Arbor Road. All of

43:51these would also want at some

43:53point to have the consideration

43:57for building on them as well.

43:58And if we were to allow it to

44:01drop down from SF ten to SF

44:03six, these other vacant lots

44:06would want to also do that.

44:08That could possibly mean

44:09another 24 homes in a very

44:12congested area, bringing our

44:14low density neighborhood into a

44:17high density situation

44:19immediately bypassing the

44:20medium density. The other thing

44:22I'm concerned about is the

44:23storm drains all of the

44:26commercial property. Facing

44:28onto Ramsay Street has been

44:29black topped. Water runs

44:32downhill, and that's the

44:34highest point. And our

44:35neighborhood is on a gentle

44:37slope going all the way down to

44:39Cooper Street. And last summer

44:42there was a huge problem with

44:44the drainage system on Cooper

44:46Street, and they had to dig it

44:47all up and repair it. So I've

44:49been noticing as I walk around,

44:51there are three drains, storm

44:54drains between the proposed

44:56site and the next intersection

44:59on Hampden, and water runs over

45:02them as quite often they are

45:03blocked and cannot go down the

45:05storm drains. There is no storm

45:09drain on Arbor Road at all, so

45:12all of that water that runs off

45:13of the black topped commercial

45:15area ends up on Arbor, which

45:17then channels right down Prince

45:20Charles and Kenwood. And I

45:22consider that there is one home

45:24that's outside of the 1000 foot

45:27buffer in which people have to

45:29sandbag their driveway so that

45:31the water won't come into their

45:32yard, and they don't have a

45:36drain before them but after

45:38them. So the water comes into

45:39their yard rather than down

45:41into the drain at the back end

45:43of, um, the American storage,

45:48which is all blacktop and has

45:49buildings on it. The water goes

45:52down into the cobblestone

45:55apartments, down off of tall

45:56stone, and they have to sandbag

45:58their yard. So I think that

46:00putting too much onto the

46:02property and not having enough

46:04drainage is going to be a

46:05serious problem for everybody

46:07in the neighborhood who have

46:08lived there for up to 65 years

46:10now.

46:13Thank you ma'am.

46:13Thank you.

46:17Madam clerk.

46:17Mayor, we have no further

46:19speakers.

46:20All right. That will close the

46:22public hearing. Counsel, do you

46:24have any questions for staff or

46:26for, uh, those who signed up to

46:30speak? Councilmember Jones.

46:32Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just one

46:34quick question. Uh, and I know

46:36an applicant definitely does

46:38not have to do what I'm getting

46:39ready to say, but I did notice,

46:41uh, that initially the

46:42applicant was encouraged to

46:44apply with conditions. Does

46:46anyone know what those were?

46:48Initially, since this

46:50particular one came back

46:51without conditions?

47:00Yes, sir. Councilman, I do not

47:02know. Um, I was not part of

47:03that discussion at the time

47:05when that took place. Um, I

47:07don't know if any of the staff

47:09members that are here have that

47:11information, but, that would

47:12have been a Craig Harmon

47:14question. That what? I knew

47:15that answer. I do not know. I'm

47:17sorry.

47:17I got you.

47:18I missed.

47:18It.

47:23Yes, sir.

47:24Your honor. So the condition

47:26essentially was to be done

47:28based on the density, because

47:29initially when I presented the

47:31plan of the initial project, it

47:34was, I think Mr. Cole, based on

47:37the size of the lot, it was,

47:40um, an amount of unit it could

47:43have done on it. So with the

47:46condition back from, from last

47:49time, speaking to you guys

47:50here, it was to lower to the

47:52capacity of holding the sticks.

47:55So we were uh, wish was for

47:58unit building. So which is

48:00what, um, Mr. Cole did, and it

48:03has to go through the TRC to

48:06verify all this. I mean,

48:08approval, make sure it did what

48:09it was supposed to do. Yeah,

48:11that was the condition for us.

48:14Thank you. Thank you, Mr.

48:15Mayor.

48:15All right.

48:17Uh, Council member Hondros.

48:21Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, Mr.

48:23Walters, I just want to make

48:25sure I have the series of

48:27events from your PowerPoint.

48:30Correct. So originally, the

48:32applicant applied for Mr. five,

48:35correct?

48:36That's correct.

48:36Yes, sir. So Zoning Commission

48:38originally recommended. They

48:39denied that. They recommended

48:41SF six.

48:42That's correct. Yes, sir.

48:43Brought it to council. Um, SF

48:47six is consistent with the land

48:49use map and the associated

48:51text.

48:52Yes, sir.

48:53Um, staff recommends approval

48:56of SF six.

48:57That's correct.

48:58But then when the applicant,

49:01instead of doing the Mr. five.

49:03So to my colleague, to my

49:04rights question about the

49:06conditional zoning, there was

49:08actually two concerns of

49:09council when it came before us.

49:10One was the density which the

49:12SF six fixes. The other was Mr.

49:15five allows some nonresidential

49:17uses also. So that was a

49:19concern. So a conditional Mr..

49:21Five uh, one of the conditions

49:23could have been those uses

49:24would not be allowed. So the SF

49:27six allows that, which is why

49:30I'm puzzled. Why when the

49:33zoning commission originally. I

49:35know you can't answer this

49:36originally basically

49:37recommended the SF six why they

49:39did not at this time. It just

49:40doesn't make any sense. I think

49:41the SF six does. What? Um, an

49:45Mr. five conditional zoning

49:46would have done, or at least

49:47alleviated those two concerns,

49:49and the other opposition, um,

49:51some of the concerns from the

49:53one speaker in opposition, all

49:54of those will be handled

49:55through the TRC review. As far

49:57as buffers, traffic, all of

49:59that stuff, when they go pull

50:00permits, that's what the

50:01technical review, um, is for.

50:04So I'm supportive of this. I

50:06don't know what my colleague

50:08and district is willing to do.

50:09Thank you.

50:11All right. Uh, hold on a

50:13second. Uh, Council member,

50:16make me.

50:16Hear.

50:18Thank you. Mayor. Um, I thank

50:20my colleague. To the left was

50:23writing his thoughts down that

50:26I had also, because I was

50:27wondering about that. I also

50:30was wondering, as I look over

50:32here at the subject property,

50:35uh, in our cam, and I know one

50:38of the concerns that pop that

50:40was stated was buffering and,

50:43and, uh, you all know I'm big

50:45on buffering, and I was just

50:48wondering, uh, if if there was

50:52a discussion unless it unless.

50:55that sits in SF, SF six, if

51:02within the setback you cut as

51:06less of the buffering that's

51:09there down. And I'm not sure

51:12how thick the buffering is, it

51:16doesn't give me what one view

51:18in my cam could as much

51:22buffering stay. And I'm asking

51:27that to the, uh, well, to staff

51:32or to the owner. Could could

51:36that request or they, uh, put

51:40in a set of conditions that we

51:46would save as much buffering as

51:48possible so that they could

51:51have buffering between the

51:53proposed property and the

51:55existing properties. Now, so

51:58that would be one of my

52:00concerns. Uh, if that's

52:03somewhere that we could head

52:05with that this evening. But I,

52:07I do appreciate what my

52:08colleague just said about FS,

52:10uh, six.

52:11Yes, sir. Mr.. Councilman here,

52:14um, there with what we have

52:16tonight in front of us, it's.

52:27There we go. Sorry. Um, yeah.

52:30So this is a straight rezoning

52:31tonight. Um, we could not put

52:33any of those conditions in

52:35place. It would have to come

52:36back as a conditional zoning to

52:39require any extra buffering.

52:42Um, it could be cleared right

52:44now in a single family home. Be

52:46put there with no buffering in

52:48place at all, so they could

52:50clear the light completely. Um,

52:52if they chose to do so, um, it

52:54would be perfectly legal to do

52:56so and build a single family

52:58home on the lot today.

52:59So if if a motion, if a motion

53:03was made from someone, uh, that.

53:11We look at these conditions.

53:15Tell me how that works. Is that

53:17something that the I guess my

53:19attorney. Is that something

53:21that. Or you're shaking your

53:25head? I didn't even ask that.

53:27You're reading my mind. Help me

53:29with the conditions. That was

53:31already stated.

53:34Uh, Councilman here, I've been,

53:36um, communicating with my team

53:37over there as, um, as we've had

53:40this discussion. Everything in

53:41the cecum that I have seen, I

53:44didn't see anywhere where there

53:45was a conditional zoning. Um,

53:47again, this is a straight

53:48rezoning. No opportunity for

53:50conditions. We need another

53:51application for conditional

53:53zoning in order to consider

53:55conditions..

53:57Um.

53:57And and my last thing I think,

54:00uh, Mr. Mayor, if we give this

54:05opportunity to the property

54:07owner, is he subject to all of

54:10the additional costs? Um, if it

54:14has to come back, if

54:17conditional zoning, I think

54:18it's a cost for that, uh, to

54:20tell, say out loud how that

54:22works and what he would be

54:24subject to if if that was an

54:28alternative this evening.

54:33Yes. Um, my understanding is he

54:35they would have to reapply,

54:36which means they would have to

54:37pay the fee again. Um, I'm

54:39assuming what would happen

54:41tonight would be a denial of

54:43their request to state

54:44Rezoning. And so to reapply

54:47they would have to pay the fee

54:49again and. And reapply with

54:51whatever conditions.

54:52Well, I'm going to stop, Mr.

54:54Mayor, but this is where my

54:56concern is. We have to do a

55:00better way. Um, when our folk

55:07come down to the front desk, we

55:10can't keep charging them. I

55:15mean, it ought to be a better

55:16way that this particular issue.

55:19Because when they bring it to

55:20us, we're supposed to help.

55:22Help them. And if we're helping

55:25them with additional costs, I

55:27don't see how that helps

55:29completely. It helps, but it

55:31helps with an additional cost.

55:32So that's where my concern is,

55:34and I hope maybe some of my

55:35colleagues can add something

55:37else in there. If there's a

55:39better way that we can maybe

55:42help this case.

55:43Yes, sir. All right. Um, go to

55:46Council member. McNair. Mayor

55:48pro tem and councillor.

55:49Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

55:50Make a decision.

55:51I think I want to address is

55:53Miss Wilma. Our, um, concerns

55:56with stormwater? I think this

55:59question would go to.

55:59Miss..

56:01Leona.

56:01No. To no. I just want to

56:04address it. She didn't have to

56:05come to.

56:05The podium.

56:05Oh, okay. No, I think Mr.

56:08Walters has to come back up.

56:13Can you tell us how, um, will

56:17the stormwater and drainage,

56:19uh, be handled? Um, to prevent

56:21flooding or pollution or.

56:23That's something that you can

56:24speak on right now.

56:26Uh, no, ma'am, it's not. That's

56:28handled by a different

56:29department. Uh, it would be

56:30addressed during their, um,

56:33review. Um, both when they

56:36submit a permit for it. And,

56:38um, I believe it's already went

56:40through. I know it has already

56:41went through, um, TRC so those

56:45would be addressed at that

56:46time. Um, I do not know what

56:50the standards are. Um, for that

56:53at the moment. Uh, based on

56:55what their proposal is.

56:57Okay. Um, thank you sir. Um.

57:00All right, Mr. Mayor.

57:02Mayor pro tem.

57:03Um, thank you, Mr. Mayor. And

57:05please help me understand. Has

57:07anybody helped the applicant

57:09with this process? After he

57:11suggested he was going? After

57:12he said he was going to go for

57:13an appeal? Because I'm confused

57:15about the notes that's in our

57:16camp. And the note states the

57:18applicant has submitted plans

57:19to depicting a four unit

57:21townhome style development on

57:23the property. However, this is

57:25a conventional rezoning request

57:27with no conditions to bind the

57:30developer to those plans.

57:31Therefore, approval of the

57:33rezoning would not require the

57:34owner or developer to construct

57:36the project as shown. And I'm

57:38just going to stop right there.

57:40Somebody help me understand

57:43that anybody informed him

57:45whether he needed to do a mr. 5

57:49or 6 or conditional. So that

57:51way, if he wants to come back

57:53and reapply for conditional, as

57:55my council member said, he

57:56don't have to go through the

57:57process or the fees all over

57:59again, because my understanding

58:00is this could have been

58:01avoided.

58:02Yeah.

58:05That's it. Yes.

58:07The the applicant was helped

58:09several times. Mr. Harmon,

58:11senior planner. I had worked

58:13directly with him on this. This

58:14item was in front of you,

58:16remember, as you heard from

58:17Council Member Hondros, this

58:19was one where they were

58:21concerned about commercial

58:22intrusion as well as the

58:24density. There. 0.44 acres that

58:28that what you're saying SF ten,

58:3010,000 square foot lots. They

58:32could conceivably if they could

58:33design it, they could put four

58:35single family on there.

58:36Currently with that zoning, the

58:38SF six is a 6000 square foot

58:42lot. If it's single family,

58:44what they they were assisted

58:46with this efforts are there.

58:48But we cannot tell a person

58:50what they have to do. It was

58:52very clear when it was to this

58:55board months ago, the idea that

58:57they would come back with a

58:59conditional zoning, conditional

59:01zoning is only put on by the

59:03applicant. We can't require

59:05that we can suggest to, but we

59:06certainly can't tell them which

59:08way to go with it. And in terms

59:10of the cost, the requirement

59:14for notification would be the

59:15adjoining property owners on

59:17rezoning. Um, we have

59:19determined that we were going

59:20past that to a thousand square

59:23to 1000 on the radius pi r

59:25squared. You can do the

59:27calculation of of what that

59:29increase is in the dollars.

59:31Additionally, we have to

59:32advertise in the newspaper. So

59:34those costs are ones that are

59:37very quickly absorbed by the

59:39processes that we have in

59:40place. So that that there is an

59:43opportunity for anybody to look

59:45at it. They have indicated they

59:47want to put a townhome in their

59:49town hall on its own, has to go

59:51through the same pre and post

59:52requirements of stormwater. You

59:54can't add you have to reduce or

59:57leave it the same. Having

1:00:00having a parcel that was

1:00:01undeveloped for years as a

1:00:03buffer is not the same as the

1:00:06ownership of. And you've heard

1:00:07it from the applicant talking

1:00:08about how they'd like to see

1:00:09something happen on their

1:00:12property. The the staff

1:00:16continues to work through with

1:00:19the property owners a lot of

1:00:21different ways, but ultimately

1:00:22it is their choice as to what

1:00:24to do. I hope I answer that

1:00:25question a couple different

1:00:26ways, but if not, I'm going to

1:00:28stand.

1:00:29And can I just ask the

1:00:30applicant a question? Sir, can

1:00:32you come up real quick? Were

1:00:39you aware that if you were to

1:00:40do a conditional rezoning, that

1:00:42this applicant would go a lot

1:00:43further? Instead of doing this

1:00:44conventional rezoning?

1:00:48Okay.

1:00:49Um.

1:00:51So from my understanding, um,

1:00:54go through the conditioning

1:00:56that was put in place, um, it

1:00:59has it was I mean, it means

1:01:02going through the TRC, uh,

1:01:05approval, but definitely.

1:01:07Um.

1:01:08On the requirement, on the on

1:01:10what the I mean, on the what

1:01:12the ability the MFI can give to

1:01:14the project was definitely not

1:01:17something that was going to be

1:01:19much the environment and the

1:01:20density. I'm not a technical on

1:01:23the on the designing and

1:01:25understanding the setbacks and

1:01:27everything, because Mr. Cole is

1:01:29the one that did it. But, um,

1:01:31based on what they presented

1:01:32here, uh, few months ago, um,

1:01:35we just have to, um, meet the.

1:01:40That's why I understand that

1:01:41condition. I'm not sure if

1:01:42there's another condition, but

1:01:44it's going back into the

1:01:47environment of the C6 to be

1:01:49able to match. Uh, that that

1:01:51expectation.

1:01:52Thank you. Mayor.

1:01:53All right. So. So, council, um,

1:01:56as you know, um, when you apply

1:01:58for straight rezoning, uh,

1:02:01that's what we have to

1:02:01consider. If there's

1:02:03conditional rezoning, I'm with

1:02:04council. Uh, we need to make

1:02:06sure that the process is clear.

1:02:07We're not influencing anyone to

1:02:09make one decision or the other,

1:02:10but we need to be able to

1:02:11clearly articulate the options

1:02:12that are available. That one.

1:02:14Your option is to reapply to,

1:02:18and you will have to pay again.

1:02:20Two, your option is to submit a

1:02:21conditional rezoning with the

1:02:23things that you believe. Um,

1:02:25the council or UN, the

1:02:26neighborhood have agreed on.

1:02:28And it needs to be clear that

1:02:30if those things are not done,

1:02:31that they understand that they

1:02:33have basically repeated the

1:02:36same process again, um, with

1:02:38two fees being paid. So but

1:02:40council, that's what's before

1:02:41us tonight. I know, um, there's

1:02:43been a lot of discussion about

1:02:44it, but um, with that I'll ask

1:02:46for some action on this. I'll

1:02:48defer to Council Member

1:02:49Ferguson. That's your district?

1:02:50Um.

1:02:54Thank you. Mayor. Uh.

1:02:56Thank you. Mayor. Um, and

1:02:59considering, um, all that we've

1:03:02talked about and all that's in

1:03:03front of us and, um, what we

1:03:08have, uh, come up with, I

1:03:10believe that in this instance,

1:03:13especially considering the

1:03:15issues with drainage and

1:03:16traffic and parking and

1:03:17density, um, those things are

1:03:20important. Um, and I see both

1:03:21sides, but, um, in relation to

1:03:24this being straight and not

1:03:26conditional, I think it is in

1:03:28the best interest that, um, we

1:03:31deny the proposed amendment.

1:03:35Um, that it is um, and go along

1:03:38with the zoning commission's

1:03:40recommendation. Um, but I would

1:03:42add that and I guess that's the

1:03:44motion. But, um, I would add

1:03:47that, um, we look at the

1:03:49possibilities of, the

1:03:51conditional and see if there's

1:03:53something that we could work

1:03:54out where they could do it on a

1:03:55conditional basis.

1:03:57All right. So yeah. So it's

1:03:59still involved coming back. All

1:04:00right. So there's a motion by

1:04:01council member Ferguson to

1:04:03deny. Uh, is there a second to

1:04:06that. Is that a second? All

1:04:12right. Second. Uh, Mayor Pro

1:04:13tem Thompson. All right.

1:04:14Counselor, we've had

1:04:15discussion. Councilmember

1:04:17Hondros.

1:04:18I just want to add that the

1:04:21zoning commission recommended

1:04:22SF six. So the applicant tried

1:04:25to resubmit after two

1:04:27application fees to to go SF

1:04:30six. The initial time of about

1:04:32the first time. The first time

1:04:33we applied for our five zoning

1:04:35commission recommended SF six.

1:04:37Right.

1:04:37Then he applied.

1:04:38Then he applied for six. It's

1:04:40like a moving goalpost. And

1:04:41then we talk about why housing

1:04:43costs keep going up and we're

1:04:45saying, what can we do? We've

1:04:47already delayed this about I

1:04:48think it was 3 or 4 months.

1:04:50It's going to be another 3 or 4

1:04:51months and another application

1:04:53fee. All of these fees get

1:04:54passed on to however many units

1:04:56get built there. That's why the

1:04:57housing costs keep going up.

1:04:59They add 28 to 32% of the cost

1:05:03of a new construction is

1:05:05federal, state and local

1:05:06regulations. We're part of the

1:05:08problem.

1:05:09So. And, uh, thank you,

1:05:12Councilmember Hondros. Um, I do

1:05:14want to say now, maybe I'm

1:05:16missing something. It said

1:05:17recommended action. Zoning

1:05:19Commission recommends denial.

1:05:21The original application.

1:05:23Yeah, I know, but I think part

1:05:24of the.

1:05:25Process SF six. So SF six and

1:05:27they denied it. It's crazy.

1:05:29Right. And so I think part of

1:05:31part of what I'm hearing

1:05:33council say, because all we can

1:05:35consider is what what's before

1:05:37us. Right? I think the process

1:05:41has to be clearer or either you

1:05:44have to bring in people who who

1:05:46understand the process a little

1:05:48better to know when it's

1:05:49conditional or not, because

1:05:51what this clearly says, they I

1:05:53agree with you. It took a lot

1:05:54of time to write notes in here,

1:05:55which we're reading a lot of

1:05:56those on the fly, but it says

1:05:58that, uh, what's attached

1:06:00doesn't have to be built based

1:06:02on this application. That's

1:06:03right. And that's the concern.

1:06:04If if it's conditional, then it

1:06:06says that you're bound by the

1:06:07conditions of that. And we

1:06:09can't make a straight zoning, a

1:06:11conditional zoning. And you

1:06:12understand that. So I'm just

1:06:14trying to.

1:06:14Make sure. Yes, Mr. Mayor, if I

1:06:15may, the concern the first time

1:06:17when the applicant applied for

1:06:18and.

1:06:18I don't I don't have the first

1:06:19time data. I'm just saying.

1:06:21It was before us 3 or 4 months

1:06:22ago. The Mr. five allows

1:06:24nonresidential uses. You're

1:06:26right. He doesn't have to build

1:06:27this to the the preliminary

1:06:29site plan. But if this was

1:06:31approved to straight SF six, he

1:06:33can only build. Anybody can

1:06:34only build two SF six. Did he

1:06:36apply.

1:06:36For six or Mr. five the first

1:06:38time it was in my five. Right,

1:06:40right.

1:06:40So that's.

1:06:41Completely different. Mr. five

1:06:42is multifamily and some other

1:06:44stuff.

1:06:44Right. Which is why he applied

1:06:45SF six, which is what the

1:06:47zoning commission told him he

1:06:49should do. Yeah, that's what

1:06:50they recommended.

1:06:51Right.

1:06:52All right. All right. That's

1:06:53six doesn't allow on

1:06:54residential.

1:06:55No I, I get it I think that

1:06:57it's not the classification

1:06:59that is hanging up. It's

1:07:00people. It's the commitment to

1:07:01do whatever the agreement is

1:07:04right now. The way it's

1:07:05submitted is no binding to the

1:07:06agreement because of the

1:07:08application type. Right, right.

1:07:13I, I understand, sir, and

1:07:14you're not sworn in. So as we

1:07:16debate this, uh, all we got is,

1:07:18is what's in front of us. So

1:07:20we're trying to trying to catch

1:07:21up. But in all fairness to both

1:07:23sides, we can't hear testimony

1:07:25from the audience. So. All

1:07:27right, all right, counsel, I

1:07:28look to you for your action as

1:07:30a motion by Councilman

1:07:31Ferguson. Uh, seconded by pro

1:07:32Tem councilor. Look to you for

1:07:33your votes on this. And this

1:07:37motion is to deny now. So it's

1:07:39a negative motion. It's a

1:07:40motion to deny everybody

1:07:42understand that. So when you

1:07:43vote green, you're voting in

1:07:45favor of a denial. So can you

1:07:47clear the board? Uh, Madam

1:07:49Clerk, let's make sure we.

1:07:53Yeah, I got you, but it's

1:07:55happened before. So when, you

1:07:57know, when people. Yeah, people

1:07:58vote red, they think they're

1:08:00voting against it. But you're

1:08:01really voting for. Mm. For it.

1:08:03Okay. So I just want to make

1:08:04sure we clear. All right. Madam

1:08:07clerk, I look to you. All

1:08:08right. And this is a motion to

1:08:10deny. All right. So motion to

1:08:16deny. Okay. Motion to deny.

1:08:19Fails. Um, to deny rezoning. So

1:08:23right now, it is no action

1:08:26being taken in. That motion was

1:08:27to deny. And so it's 4 to 6 and

1:08:30failed. So so now, uh, well,

1:08:34Madam Clerk, you need a

1:08:35separate motion to approve

1:08:36because it's just in limbo. It

1:08:39just. For approval. Right. Just

1:08:47because it that previous motion

1:08:49failed, you need an action to

1:08:51approve.

1:08:51An affirmative yes vote.

1:08:54Right. All right. Councilmember

1:08:57green, your light on.

1:08:59Yes. I'd like to make a motion

1:09:01that we approve this rezoning

1:09:03request.

1:09:03All right. It's a motion by

1:09:04Councilmember Green. Is there a

1:09:05second? Second by Hondros

1:09:07discussion. All right,

1:09:08counselor, look to you for your

1:09:09vote. This is to approve. Uh,

1:09:24all right, um, motion to

1:09:26approve carries those voting in

1:09:28favor of the approval. McNair

1:09:31McMillan green. Jones. Hondros

1:09:34Davis. So motion carries. All

1:09:37right. Next item of business.

1:09:38We're moving to, uh, staff

1:09:41report officer, community

1:09:42safety.

1:10:04Good evening. Good evening.

1:10:07Good evening. Mayor. Mayor pro

1:10:09tem, city council, city

1:10:10manager. Madam attorney. City

1:10:12clerk, as well as community

1:10:14behind me. Um, thank you for

1:10:16having me come up here today

1:10:18while I pull up this report.

1:10:25Perfect. Um, before we begin,

1:10:27I'm just extending gratitude

1:10:29for you all for allowing us to

1:10:31reschedule today's

1:10:32presentation. It was supposed

1:10:33to happen two weeks ago. Um,

1:10:36however, I was under the

1:10:37weather, and, um, thank you for

1:10:40allowing me to present today.

1:10:41Uh, with that, today's, uh,

1:10:44goal for tonight is to share

1:10:46with you all the inaugural year

1:10:48report of the Office of

1:10:50Community Safety. As you know,

1:10:52I came in in June of 2025 to

1:10:55play a role in building up this

1:10:56office. Since then, we have

1:10:58done some incredible things

1:10:59that we need to highlight

1:11:01tonight, as well as highlight

1:11:03some of the objectives for year

1:11:04two. Um, so with that in mind,

1:11:07I do want to give a just a

1:11:08quick overview of the goal for

1:11:11year one is to establish a new

1:11:13city function. Uh, with that in

1:11:15mind, we want to staff and

1:11:17organize the Office of

1:11:18Community Safety. We want to

1:11:20advance the development of our

1:11:21very own OCS facility, which

1:11:23you all, as council was

1:11:25gracious, gracious enough to

1:11:26provide for us, um, establish

1:11:28operating, referral and

1:11:30coordination structures, launch

1:11:32OCS social media platforms to

1:11:34strengthen community outreach

1:11:36and public awareness. And last

1:11:38but not least, build. And we

1:11:40built working relationships

1:11:41across the city departments and

1:11:43also our external community

1:11:44partners as well. To that

1:11:47point, I do want to remind

1:11:48those listening and here, those

1:11:50here tonight of our four

1:11:52strategic pillars that we were

1:11:53given when I first came in, one

1:11:55community based violence

1:11:57prevention, preventing and

1:11:58interrupting violence through

1:11:59community based strategies and

1:12:01partnerships. Second, as our

1:12:03homelessness unhoused response

1:12:05connecting residents

1:12:07experiencing homelessness with

1:12:08resources, services and

1:12:10coordinated support. Third,

1:12:12youth initiatives creating

1:12:14opportunities, supports and

1:12:15positive pathways for our young

1:12:17people in the city of

1:12:19Fayetteville. And last but not

1:12:20least, our mental health

1:12:21response and diversion.

1:12:23Developing alternative

1:12:24responses to behavioral health

1:12:26and mental health needs and

1:12:27reducing unnecessary law

1:12:29enforcement involvement. So, to

1:12:32give you a quick glance at year

1:12:34one, uh, we provided this slide

1:12:36to give you some real raw

1:12:37numbers. Uh, over the year, uh,

1:12:40we had responded to 692

1:12:43unhoused calls that we received

1:12:46through email, through, um,

1:12:48conversations with city staff,

1:12:50through community members, as

1:12:52well as well. Uh, these calls

1:12:53were based on we would like to

1:12:55have a different approach to

1:12:57addressing the unhoused concern

1:12:58in this moment. Um, so instead

1:13:01of calling 911, they ended up

1:13:03calling the Office of Community

1:13:04Safety. There were

1:13:05opportunities where PD also

1:13:08extended an arm of support and

1:13:10coordinating with us as an

1:13:11office. So I do want to give

1:13:12gratitude to Chief Brian and

1:13:14his team on that. Um, to that

1:13:16point, we were able to refer

1:13:19550 people to partner agencies

1:13:22in these partner agencies. Uh,

1:13:24incorporates organizations

1:13:26across the city and county. We

1:13:28had 181 mental health

1:13:31referrals, uh, to highlight the

1:13:32purpose of that. When we were

1:13:34on scene. And we recognized

1:13:36there was a need for someone

1:13:38who was a licensed clinician or

1:13:40someone who was licensed in

1:13:41mental health work. We wanted

1:13:43to ensure that there was a

1:13:44referral given to that

1:13:45organization. And the one thing

1:13:47I do want to preach in this

1:13:49moment to you all when I say

1:13:50referrals, oftentimes that just

1:13:52means an email, connection with

1:13:54the Office of Community Safety.

1:13:55We had our hand over that

1:13:57process. So we also ensured

1:13:59that the referral, uh, followed

1:14:01up with the individual or at

1:14:03least followed up with them to

1:14:04ensure that that engagement did

1:14:06occur. To that point, we had

1:14:08over 1300 residences. Residents

1:14:11reached via our Safe Space

1:14:13activation series. We'll go a

1:14:14little bit more on that later

1:14:16in the presentation. To that

1:14:18point, we had 168 safe space

1:14:21activations, and with our youth

1:14:23night out initiatives, we had

1:14:24over 300 youth engaged. Going

1:14:28to community investment in

1:14:30violence prevention through

1:14:31partnership with ECD, Economic

1:14:33and Community Development, we

1:14:34were able to invest $200,000

1:14:37into micro grants and increase

1:14:39of the previous year of

1:14:40$100,000, while also providing

1:14:43$30,000 in support for capacity

1:14:45building workshops provided by

1:14:47our partnership with

1:14:48Fayetteville Technical

1:14:48Community College. To that

1:14:50point, we were able to provide

1:14:5146 micro grants that range from

1:14:5410,000, 5000, 2500 and $1,500

1:14:57to community watch groups,

1:14:59community based organizations,

1:15:01through a two six month, six

1:15:03month period. Throughout the

1:15:04most recent fiscal cycle. Um,

1:15:06and to that point, we were able

1:15:09to change the language on the

1:15:11micro grants to ensure that

1:15:13there was a community safety

1:15:14initiative. Um, as part of the

1:15:17micro grant application, as

1:15:18well as working with ensuring

1:15:20that economic and community

1:15:21development also played a role

1:15:22in that one thing that we were

1:15:24able to contract this most this

1:15:26past year was our Community

1:15:28Violence Intervention

1:15:29Partnership with Approved

1:15:30Project Uh. They provided

1:15:32street outreach. They

1:15:33intervened on multiple

1:15:34conflicts throughout the year,

1:15:36as well as providing youth and

1:15:37family engagement. And as we

1:15:39think about community

1:15:40investment and violence

1:15:41prevention, our year one focus

1:15:43is to engage the community and

1:15:45institute institutional

1:15:46partners. One thing we want to

1:15:47ensure is that we're a brand

1:15:49new office. We have a brand new

1:15:51approach, and we have a whole

1:15:52bunch of ideas and concepts

1:15:54that sound great, but we also

1:15:56wanted to ensure that people

1:15:57were fully aware of what to

1:15:58expect. And I will say we are

1:16:00doing that to this day and

1:16:01continue. Will continue to do

1:16:03so. Um, but that was a focus

1:16:04for us as an office as well as

1:16:06assessing local violence

1:16:08patterns and response capacity.

1:16:10With that in mind, the way we

1:16:11did that was work with local

1:16:13community based organizations

1:16:15to receive that qualitative

1:16:16insight that we desperately

1:16:17needed, but also working with

1:16:19the police department to

1:16:20identify through data what

1:16:22areas that we have concerns in

1:16:23regarding community and public

1:16:25safety, defining roles and

1:16:26priorities, and implementation

1:16:28needs. Um, that one is clear as

1:16:30day, as well as connecting

1:16:31existing efforts to a

1:16:32coordinated strategy. For my

1:16:34very first presentation, I

1:16:36shared with you all last year,

1:16:37I did say that we do not want

1:16:39to reinvent the will, and I

1:16:40will continue to say that we

1:16:42are not reinventing the will,

1:16:44but we are identifying how best

1:16:46we can have a more effective

1:16:47approach to addressing the

1:16:49concerns that we have. Um, so

1:16:51that is how we really connected

1:16:53the existing efforts and also

1:16:55identified the gaps of efforts

1:16:57that weren't being produced,

1:16:59that we could address those

1:17:00gaps in these spaces. One thing

1:17:03I want to highlight in our

1:17:04first year is we're building a

1:17:06long term violence reduction

1:17:08strategy. Any Office of

1:17:09Violence Prevention, community

1:17:11safety, neighborhood safety,

1:17:12neighborhood safety and

1:17:13community engagement all under

1:17:15the same umbrella. Uh, we'll

1:17:16tell you that there is a need

1:17:18for a violence reduction

1:17:19strategy. And with that in

1:17:21mind, we partner with the best

1:17:23organization in this nation who

1:17:25leads this work from a federal

1:17:27standpoint also to state and

1:17:29local government, like

1:17:30ourselves with the National

1:17:31Institute for Criminal Justice

1:17:32Reform. Under them, they have

1:17:34the National Office of Violence

1:17:36Prevention Network, who

1:17:37provided technical assistance

1:17:39through a contract with the

1:17:40Office of Community Safety. And

1:17:41we had multiple opportunities

1:17:43for community to share feedback

1:17:44on what this plan should look

1:17:46like. That happened earlier

1:17:48this calendar year, where we

1:17:49had six sessions over a two day

1:17:51period. Five were hosted, um,

1:17:54right here down the street. And

1:17:56we also had one youth involved

1:17:57that we partnered with FCC to

1:18:00ensure we also heard the voices

1:18:01of our young people. Um, where

1:18:03we are at that with that now is

1:18:04we are fine tuning the plan.

1:18:06The next step is to have, uh,

1:18:08the city, Cedar City Leadership

1:18:10review as staff and then also

1:18:12had the opportunity to present

1:18:14that in front of you all before

1:18:15we we provide a full, uh,

1:18:17deployment of that plan. Next

1:18:20is safe space investment and

1:18:23implementation. This is

1:18:24something that I brought to the

1:18:26city of Fayetteville,

1:18:27recognizing the importance and

1:18:28the significance of creating

1:18:30safe spaces across, um, the

1:18:32cities that were in to that

1:18:34point. The best way for us to

1:18:35do that, to be engage with the

1:18:37community, is to partner with

1:18:38community. So we provided an

1:18:40RFP, a request for proposal,

1:18:42opportunity for community based

1:18:44organizations to apply for um,

1:18:48$25,000, a part of 100 $100,000

1:18:51for four organizations to

1:18:53create these safe spaces across

1:18:54the city. Going back to the

1:18:56number I mentioned earlier,

1:18:57earlier, 168 safe space

1:18:59activations occurred throughout

1:19:01this partnership in um with

1:19:03these four organizations, which

1:19:05includes Fayetteville Urban

1:19:06Ministries, Roots Mentoring,

1:19:08Agape Beautiful, and the two

1:19:09six project. To that point, we

1:19:13had over a 1300 residents that

1:19:15were reached. The one thing I

1:19:16want to make sure you leave

1:19:17with today safe space

1:19:20activations can have a

1:19:22difference, can have multitude

1:19:23of of of purposes for the

1:19:25Office of Community Safety. The

1:19:27main purpose for us for

1:19:28supporting safe space

1:19:29activations was not just having

1:19:31an event where people can come

1:19:33and be and have fun, which is

1:19:34important, but also be very

1:19:36intentional with the resources

1:19:38that we provide in that space

1:19:40so that anyone who who, um,

1:19:43shows up to that activation can

1:19:45leave with a tangible resource

1:19:46to take home with and then also

1:19:48partnership with the Office of

1:19:49Community Safety, where we were

1:19:51able to coordinate resources

1:19:52from that activation. So it's

1:19:55not just a community event,

1:19:56it's not just a block party,

1:19:57but it's a very intentional way

1:19:59to engage our community, bring

1:20:01them in, and also provide the

1:20:02resources that that specific

1:20:04area, um, is in need of some of

1:20:06those activations include

1:20:08talent shows, splash days. We

1:20:10had real talk with our young

1:20:11people. Um, we had Main Event

1:20:13rented out through Roots

1:20:15Mentoring and they had over 100

1:20:17plus tickets, uh, for young

1:20:20people and families to come and

1:20:21be. Um, we had the movie night

1:20:23at the Omni Theater and

1:20:24Community Gardening, some of

1:20:26that at the locations that we

1:20:27prioritize were Brand Boulevard

1:20:29area, Orange Street, Massey

1:20:31Hill, Westover Recreation

1:20:32Center, Cliff Dale Recreation

1:20:34Center, Main Event, and Omni

1:20:36Theater. The reason why I say

1:20:38prioritize is because we we

1:20:40utilize a data led approach to

1:20:41identifying where do we want to

1:20:43hyper focus on for this year,

1:20:44one pilot for activations. Um,

1:20:47so we and we also want to

1:20:48ensure there was consistency.

1:20:49And later you'll see, um,

1:20:51actually right here, uh, in

1:20:53Massey Hill, the gate beautiful

1:20:54staff uh, shared that attendees

1:20:56kept asking if we can continue

1:20:58events after August 13th. I

1:21:00want to give love to Gate

1:21:01Beautiful because they were

1:21:02there every single week for the

1:21:04entire summer, activating the

1:21:06same exact space. Um. Excuse

1:21:08me. Not now, not Massey Hill.

1:21:09They were on the Bragg

1:21:10Boulevard area. They had a lot

1:21:12of people shared that they felt

1:21:13hope for the first time in a

1:21:14long time this summer, and feel

1:21:16this community needs events

1:21:17like these. I want to highlight

1:21:19again. That's only because that

1:21:20we work with community based

1:21:22organizations who knows their

1:21:24community more than I do, and

1:21:26can go in and provide the

1:21:28opportunity to create these

1:21:29safe spaces from your roots.

1:21:31Mentoring. Many participants

1:21:33express appreciation for the

1:21:35welcoming, family oriented

1:21:36atmosphere. One parent shared

1:21:38that her daughter daughter

1:21:39discovered the event and

1:21:41encouraged the family to attend

1:21:42so they could spend the evening

1:21:43creating artwork together. One

1:21:45highlight that I do want to

1:21:46share from an activation that

1:21:48actually occurred at Main Event

1:21:49I was president. I was just

1:21:51checking in on what was going

1:21:52on and the family told the

1:21:53staff at roots like, hey, we

1:21:55didn't have nothing to do

1:21:56tonight. Our kids saw this on

1:21:58social media and we're all able

1:21:59to come. It was a family, I

1:22:00believe 5 or 6 and all have

1:22:03free food, free games and

1:22:05opportunity for the family to

1:22:06create memories. That's a

1:22:07little bit of why we do what we

1:22:10do and ensuring the resources

1:22:12that organizations in the city

1:22:13of Fayetteville, as well as our

1:22:15city departments, can provide,

1:22:17were brought to that space so

1:22:19they could leave with a

1:22:20tangible resource. Um, last

1:22:22thing about Safe Spaces. Again,

1:22:24we had 168, uh, in year two. As

1:22:28we continue these activations,

1:22:30um, reporting will consistently

1:22:32capture event type, location,

1:22:34attendance and the assistance

1:22:35Ox provided, especially as we

1:22:38want to expand these locations,

1:22:40not just be hyper focused on

1:22:41this, but we had a successful

1:22:43year one. Now we want to expand

1:22:44that in the year two. Um, going

1:22:47towards our unhoused and

1:22:48behavioral health response. Uh,

1:22:50over the year, we had 692

1:22:53unhoused responses, 550 partner

1:22:55referrals for our unhoused

1:22:56community, 181 mental health

1:22:59referrals. And through a grant

1:23:00through the police department,

1:23:02um, through Deanna Braggs and

1:23:03her, uh, coordination prior

1:23:05with her time in the police

1:23:06department, we were able to

1:23:07coordinate 375, uh, fast bus

1:23:11passes to be provided for

1:23:12individuals who are looking for

1:23:13transportation of the unhoused

1:23:16response. I did want to kind of

1:23:18give you a glimpse of what that

1:23:19looked like on the ground. So

1:23:21we had 68.4% of the responses,

1:23:25um, included 473 women, 29.5 of

1:23:30their responses were male, and

1:23:31then 2.2 were not reported. The

1:23:33reason why you see not reported

1:23:35is because we don't

1:23:35intentionally ask, um, and if

1:23:38someone if we do ask and

1:23:39someone does not disclose the

1:23:41information, we do not assume.

1:23:42So we just move forward with

1:23:43like documenting that as not

1:23:45reported to that point. Just

1:23:47highlight some other

1:23:48demographics. 72 families were

1:23:51served that had children under

1:23:52ten. So 72 families in the city

1:23:54of Fayetteville were responded,

1:23:57were unhoused, and the Office

1:23:58of Community would be

1:23:59responding to them to provide

1:24:01better coordination of

1:24:02resources. 22 of those were

1:24:04veterans and four young people

1:24:06under the age of 18. When, um,

1:24:10we also provide responses. We

1:24:12also look into our encampments

1:24:14here in the city of

1:24:15Fayetteville throughout the

1:24:16year. We responded to 22

1:24:17encampment locations, 48 site

1:24:20visits, including repeat

1:24:21visits, 38 shelter referrals,

1:24:23and 34 food bundles, supplies

1:24:25and or fast buses provided.

1:24:28When we go to an encampment, I

1:24:29want to make one thing clear.

1:24:31We go to address the scene and

1:24:35coordinate resources for anyone

1:24:36who is willing to move from

1:24:37that site to a shelter of some

1:24:39sort, or an arc. In a case that

1:24:42I had, um, ground experience

1:24:44and a family member of someone

1:24:46whose family was in another

1:24:47county, they didn't answer the

1:24:49phone, so they just went to

1:24:51where someone told him they

1:24:51could go in and tent and have a

1:24:53tent. From that conversation,

1:24:56we're able to work with the

1:24:57family, engage with them, and

1:24:59that person was able to go back

1:25:00to to their house again.

1:25:03Coordination is intervention.

1:25:04As the Office of Community

1:25:05Safety always communicates. So

1:25:07in that space, only thing we

1:25:08had to do was just engage. But

1:25:10that individual was unaware of

1:25:11the resource resources

1:25:12provided, or if there was

1:25:14someone not able to lead that

1:25:16conversation, we don't know

1:25:18what would have happened. We

1:25:18don't want to assume, but just

1:25:20kind of highlighting the work

1:25:21of our work when it comes to

1:25:22our encampment locations in the

1:25:23city of Fayetteville. Um, one

1:25:26of the initiative that we have,

1:25:28or one of the pillars is our

1:25:29youth. And I know I think we

1:25:32all can say the best way to get

1:25:34a young person's attention is

1:25:36to put some money in their

1:25:37pocket. So with that in mind,

1:25:39uh, with partnership with

1:25:40economic and community

1:25:41development, and I do want to

1:25:43give Mr. Derrick some flowers,

1:25:44his flowers on this. He

1:25:45spearheaded this years ago, um,

1:25:47as the Office of Community

1:25:48Safety. We had the opportunity

1:25:50to invest heavily into a youth

1:25:53employment program here in the

1:25:55city, in Fayetteville and

1:25:56Cumberland County as a whole.

1:25:57To that point, we work with Mid

1:25:58Carolina Regional Council to

1:26:00add $300,000 toward that, where

1:26:03we expanded last year's numbers

1:26:05from the mid 80s to 150 young

1:26:08people employed, and a belief

1:26:10they had. And I believe that

1:26:12150, there were 4 or 5, um,

1:26:15college freshmen who came back

1:26:16to be mentors in that space. So

1:26:19do want to, um, give huge kudos

1:26:21to Mid Carolina. But I was able

1:26:22to be at the graduation and you

1:26:24saw a council member, Jones was

1:26:26present and you saw young

1:26:28people who were inspired to

1:26:29move forward. Because the one

1:26:30thing I want to highlight from

1:26:32this partnership, we're not

1:26:34just giving out jobs, but we

1:26:36this organization pairs these

1:26:37young people with, uh, business

1:26:40owners and leaders in the city

1:26:42and county to provide

1:26:43mentorship while also receiving

1:26:45information about the

1:26:46opportunities through

1:26:47Fayetteville Technical

1:26:48Community College and the grant

1:26:50itself prioritizes our young

1:26:53people in tier one schools and

1:26:54also the Department of Juvenile

1:26:56Justice pipeline as well. So

1:26:58we're being very intentional

1:27:00with the resources that we're

1:27:01providing, uh, as we try to

1:27:04engage the highest risk to that

1:27:07point, um, went over this

1:27:09earlier, but we had 300 youth

1:27:10participants reached in our

1:27:12eight youth night out events. I

1:27:13do want to extend gratitude for

1:27:14you all who showed up to those

1:27:17spaces. Um, I hope you got to

1:27:19see what the kids nowadays are

1:27:21really enjoying. Um, one thing

1:27:23I highlighted before is

1:27:24sometimes we just had quiet

1:27:26spaces for kids to come and

1:27:28just be. We also had

1:27:29opportunities to partner with

1:27:30our local sports teams, uh, to

1:27:32provide, um, organized gaming

1:27:34through basketball, but also

1:27:36the arts, music, etc. so we're

1:27:38grateful to have those

1:27:39opportunities. And I know that

1:27:40was a big hit for us when we

1:27:42first started. Um, which led to

1:27:44the addition of the

1:27:46opportunities for safe space

1:27:48activations. Um, I may have

1:27:50skipped this, but one thing I

1:27:51want to highlight too, uh, we

1:27:53had a partnership with Approved

1:27:55Project and Cape Fear Valley to

1:27:57have a stop the bleed training

1:27:59at Douglas Byrd High School.

1:28:00Um, that was an incredible

1:28:02opportunity to really have

1:28:06licensed medical staff provide

1:28:08real, raw education to our

1:28:10young people. About one of the

1:28:12effects of gun violence. Also,

1:28:15uh, ways to step in if there

1:28:17ever is a need that their

1:28:18themselves or their friends

1:28:20aren't, are in danger. And also

1:28:23provide information for how to,

1:28:25you know, move forward in a

1:28:27career that could be medical.

1:28:29Um, we had over 100 plus young

1:28:31people through Douglas Byrd

1:28:32come through. Uh, I had the

1:28:34opportunity to watch young

1:28:36people, um, see pieces of

1:28:40anatomy that they never would

1:28:41have imagined, but also to

1:28:43figure out how to put it all

1:28:44together and provide

1:28:45explanation of why the body

1:28:47reacts the way it reacts. So I

1:28:48just want to highlight that one

1:28:50initiative. We received great

1:28:51feedback from that. I know in

1:28:53year two, we're looking to have

1:28:54more of those throughout the

1:28:55county throughout the

1:28:56throughout the fiscal year, as

1:28:57well as enhance our partnership

1:28:59with Cumberland County Schools.

1:29:01Just on photos, as you can see

1:29:02from Douglas Byrd, that one

1:29:04event, um, huge, uh, kudos to

1:29:07Cooper Valley for providing

1:29:08that, uh, services as well as

1:29:10their willingness to

1:29:11participate in more. And the

1:29:14last thing that we'll go over

1:29:16is building up our alternative

1:29:17response. Coming in as

1:29:19director, I recognize the one

1:29:20thing we had to do was build up

1:29:22this alternative response

1:29:23model. This is why the Office

1:29:25of Community Safety was, um,

1:29:26this is why I came down. This

1:29:28is why we're here. Uh, to have

1:29:30that alternative response,

1:29:31especially when developing and

1:29:33identifying more holistic ways

1:29:35to address mental health crisis

1:29:36across the city. With that, I

1:29:39do want to highlight that

1:29:40through our work in year one,

1:29:42uh, the University of Harvard's

1:29:43Government Performance Lab

1:29:44reached out to us directly to

1:29:48say we love what Fayetteville

1:29:50is doing. We want to provide

1:29:52pro bono technical assistance

1:29:53to stand up your alternative

1:29:54response model. They have stood

1:29:56up 35 in the nation already.

1:29:59They stood up to what we see in

1:30:00Durham. They stood up what we

1:30:01see in other largest cities,

1:30:03and they reached out to us

1:30:05directly to identify, to

1:30:06identify the way that they

1:30:07could support us for nine

1:30:09months. So I want to give my

1:30:11staff and, um, all of our

1:30:14partners, uh, huge kudos as

1:30:16well, um, because one that's

1:30:18free, we love free around here.

1:30:19Um, but also we have a leader

1:30:21in this space who is not only

1:30:24providing us support in

1:30:25alternative response models,

1:30:27but also the comprehensive

1:30:28approach to public safety as a

1:30:30whole. Uh, we have hired

1:30:31behavioral health response

1:30:32program manager Whitney Lee. We

1:30:34have also posted our four

1:30:36crisis response specialist

1:30:38roles. If you haven't seen it,

1:30:39we do ask that you do check

1:30:41that out so you can see kind of

1:30:42what we're looking for. Um, I

1:30:44can say I review the numbers.

1:30:45We have over 50 plus

1:30:46applications and a one and a

1:30:48one week time frame. So we're

1:30:49very excited to bring on those

1:30:51four individuals when that time

1:30:52occurs. Uh, and we also, um,

1:30:54coordinated a working group

1:30:56with our public safety partners

1:30:57here in the city of

1:30:58Fayetteville, our police

1:30:59department, our fire department

1:31:01are now on one call center to

1:31:03ensure that one, we are being

1:31:04as efficient with our time as

1:31:05possible, but also we're not

1:31:07skipping through different

1:31:09pieces that we may need to go

1:31:10back to so we can develop a

1:31:13responsible, effective

1:31:15alternative response model. And

1:31:16that ensures that we are all on

1:31:18one accord. And just as I close

1:31:22year two priorities launch

1:31:24alternative response to number

1:31:25one dispatch. Implement the

1:31:27violence reduction strategy.

1:31:28Expand victim and family

1:31:30advocacy. Continue youth and

1:31:32community investment,

1:31:33strengthen homelessness and

1:31:34behavioral health response. And

1:31:36last but not least, strengthen

1:31:37data led coordination,

1:31:39performance reporting and

1:31:40evaluation readiness. That one

1:31:42I want to highlight really

1:31:43quick because as we're a brand

1:31:44new office, um, we want to

1:31:47present to you metrics that you

1:31:49can then take when you're

1:31:51considering all the pieces that

1:31:53we have here at the studio,

1:31:54Fayetteville. Um, so we want to

1:31:55strengthen those as a office

1:31:57because year one, we got the

1:31:59buy in from the community. We

1:32:00really engage folks. Year two,

1:32:02we're turning that into a a

1:32:04statement. So that year three

1:32:05and the year is beyond that, we

1:32:07can really, um, have a that

1:32:08true comprehensive approach.

1:32:10Public safety. Um, and with

1:32:11that we want to highlight

1:32:13Council Councilwoman McNair's,

1:32:15um, event that she invited us

1:32:16to, uh, we see some familiar

1:32:18faces in that space. Um, but,

1:32:20Councilwoman McNair, thank you

1:32:21for having us there. And I'll

1:32:22stop here. Any questions you

1:32:23may have.

1:32:24Who?

1:32:25You said it all.

1:32:26Bro.

1:32:28Yeah, yeah. All right.

1:32:31Councilmember McMillan.

1:32:33Thank you, Mister Mayor. Good

1:32:35job. Um, just want to talk

1:32:36about the the excitement, uh,

1:32:39the thanks, the hope that this

1:32:42office carries and want to

1:32:43thank you personally for your,

1:32:45your service over the last

1:32:46year. Uh, some names you might

1:32:48not have heard, uh, but names

1:32:51that our community knows. Uh,

1:32:53prior to you arriving, Joshua

1:32:54Oxendine. Uh, Adrian Roberts,

1:32:57Jason Walker, those are people

1:32:59who, uh, who died, uh, who were

1:33:02undergoing mental health

1:33:05crisis. And there was a

1:33:07realization a long time ago

1:33:08that we could respond in

1:33:10different ways, I'm

1:33:11particularly interested in the

1:33:13mental health response teams.

1:33:15Uh, was glad to see the job

1:33:16announcement, but one to also

1:33:18say that this is this is

1:33:20something the community is

1:33:21looking at as something that

1:33:23will save lives. Uh, and

1:33:25something we've been waiting on

1:33:26for a long time. And those

1:33:27families will definitely tell

1:33:29you that the promise this holds

1:33:31of us doing things differently,

1:33:33uh, is still in their hearts. I

1:33:35also wanted to ask you a

1:33:37question about, um, about data.

1:33:39And we've had these these

1:33:41discussions over the last year.

1:33:43Uh, there's one thing to say,

1:33:45this is what we're doing. It's

1:33:46a whole nother thing to talk

1:33:47about is is what we're doing

1:33:49working? And I know in cities

1:33:52that have seen gains through

1:33:53programs like this, like

1:33:54Chicago and Baltimore, they

1:33:56also have an evaluative side

1:33:58that is making ties and

1:33:59connections between their work

1:34:01and reductions in crime. Uh,

1:34:03one day I ask if there's been

1:34:05thought or if there's some

1:34:06ideas about, uh, organizations

1:34:09or institutions we could invite

1:34:10into Fayetteville. To also help

1:34:13us ask those questions about

1:34:15quantitative and qualitative

1:34:16data and understanding where

1:34:19we're getting the best bang for

1:34:20our book. Absolutely. I know

1:34:21you mentioned Nick Jr, but I'm

1:34:23really interested in in what

1:34:24evaluation looks like in this.

1:34:26Absolutely great question.

1:34:27Council member. Uh, one thing I

1:34:29want to highlight through our

1:34:30partnership with Nick junior,

1:34:32um, comes a partnership with

1:34:33the American Institute for

1:34:34research. We are working with

1:34:36them directly to help us create

1:34:37those evaluation metrics. Um,

1:34:40one thing that people will tell

1:34:41us is that, hey, for

1:34:43evaluation, multiple years of

1:34:44work, that may be true.

1:34:46However, to your point, when

1:34:47we're dealing with real lives,

1:34:49um, that is not a three year,

1:34:50five year wait time to identify

1:34:52if what you're doing is working

1:34:54to that point. Um, our

1:34:55partnership with AR, AI is

1:34:57going to be incredibly helpful,

1:35:00especially as we are in the

1:35:02process of building up the

1:35:03alternative response. We can

1:35:04incorporate the necessary, um,

1:35:08measurements within the

1:35:10foundation now so that we're

1:35:11not going back in time trying

1:35:12to recoup numbers just to say

1:35:15we we've done this. Um, also,

1:35:17when it comes to, um, data, you

1:35:19will be hearing soon, uh, next

1:35:21work session from the

1:35:22University of Campbell, who

1:35:23performed a number one call

1:35:25analysis. And they're looking

1:35:26to present that to you all so

1:35:28you can have the numbers of all

1:35:30the behavioral health related

1:35:31calls that the city of

1:35:32Fayetteville received over the

1:35:33past few years. Um, to that

1:35:36point, when it comes to also

1:35:38data, uh, being introduced to

1:35:40the community, we've expressed

1:35:42ideas, uh, we being myself, uh,

1:35:44and others in my staff about

1:35:46how can we be more transparent

1:35:48with community, about what, uh,

1:35:50the impact of this office looks

1:35:51like, especially as questions

1:35:53arise. I'll be very transparent

1:35:55and especially as the

1:35:56investments, um, continue to

1:35:59come with this office. We want

1:36:00to ensure that you, as council,

1:36:01are fully aware of the work and

1:36:03how it's impacting not just the

1:36:06lives that we're trying to

1:36:07reach, but also the community

1:36:09as a whole. This region, um,

1:36:11because we do believe with

1:36:12Fayetteville being 80%, that

1:36:13what happens here can spread

1:36:15across. And I think, um, with

1:36:16our partnerships with the AR,

1:36:18as well as Campbell and other

1:36:20institutions, uh, we'll be able

1:36:21to demonstrate that in the near

1:36:23future.

1:36:23Right. Well, thank you. Also

1:36:25want to shout out your team,

1:36:26uh, the whole team. And then

1:36:28all the the organizations that

1:36:30you're working in partnership

1:36:31with as well. All right.

1:36:32Thank you. Thank you.

1:36:33Councilmember. Councilmember

1:36:34hair.

1:36:35Thank you. Mayor sir. Thank you

1:36:38for your report.

1:36:40Yes, sir.

1:36:40I hear a lot of good things

1:36:43across the city about what

1:36:47you're doing. And all the

1:36:50residents that first started

1:36:53this initiative and brought it

1:36:55to us. And then, of course,

1:36:56council picked up and supported

1:36:59it. When you talk about

1:37:02measuring success, you know how

1:37:05you measure. A lot of times we

1:37:09can get a lot of numbers, a lot

1:37:10of stats. You gave us a lot

1:37:13tonight. You touch 692 on

1:37:18housing, 550 referrals and 180

1:37:21mental health referrals and

1:37:231300 residents. You reached out

1:37:26for safe space and 300 youth

1:37:31engaged. Those are that's good

1:37:33stats.

1:37:34Yes.

1:37:34Sir. But how do you measure?

1:37:39Yes, sir.

1:37:40Uh, we still here and it's

1:37:43going to take some time. I

1:37:44know, but we here, which I

1:37:46don't like to hear it. You

1:37:48know, there's nothing for our

1:37:50kids to do. I don't like

1:37:51hearing that. I always say

1:37:53people aren't investigating

1:37:56what we have here. To know that

1:37:59there's a lot here in the city

1:38:01of Fayetteville to do. But tell

1:38:03me, uh, how do you measure

1:38:07success with the Office of

1:38:09Community Service?

1:38:11Absolutely. Yeah. Um, with the

1:38:12Office of Community Safety.

1:38:13Safety?

1:38:13I'm sorry. Yo. You're good.

1:38:14Yes, sir. Um. Great question.

1:38:16Council member here. One thing

1:38:17I will highlight when it comes

1:38:19to comparing success to our

1:38:22office, that success will come

1:38:24in the numbers that Chief

1:38:25Brian, uh, will provide in the

1:38:28Fable Police Department

1:38:29reporting when it says we see

1:38:31our, our success has seen

1:38:33reductions in homicides,

1:38:35reduction in violence as a

1:38:37whole. Um, I know recently we

1:38:39did hear from him that there

1:38:40are reductions. Um, but I will

1:38:43be also the first one to say

1:38:44that does not mean we can

1:38:45relax. That means we need to go

1:38:47harder, in my opinion. Um,

1:38:48because we did see reductions

1:38:50in some spaces. But across the

1:38:52nation we see trends rising and

1:38:54we know with safety what it

1:38:56typically goes and it flows and

1:38:58up and down. And what we want

1:38:59to do is have that coordinated

1:39:01approach so that we can see

1:39:03consistency. Um, you see in

1:39:05offices that have, um, excuse

1:39:07me, cities that have offices

1:39:09like the Office of Community

1:39:10Safety work in partnership with

1:39:12their police department and

1:39:13fire department. And in those

1:39:14partnerships you see 52%

1:39:16reduction in homicides in

1:39:17Oakland, California. You see

1:39:19the reductions in cities like

1:39:20Baltimore, where it's not just

1:39:22homicides, but it's violent

1:39:23violence as a whole. I think as

1:39:24the office continues to be

1:39:27rooted in the city of

1:39:28Fayetteville and with the

1:39:29approach of public safety, when

1:39:30Chief Brian comes back and

1:39:31reports to you, hey, here are

1:39:33the numbers. What our goal is

1:39:35that we see reduction. And if

1:39:37we do not see reduction, then

1:39:39we utilize that data approach

1:39:41and go back to the drawing

1:39:42board and see, okay, we see

1:39:43increases in this. What is

1:39:45going on. And the best way to

1:39:46identify what's going on is

1:39:48working with community, who may

1:39:49know some of the ins and outs

1:39:51that we may not see here at

1:39:52City Hall. So I think, sir, to

1:39:53answer your question, that is

1:39:54one way. And the second thing I

1:39:56will also say briefly, um, on

1:40:00Monday, you'll hear of the

1:40:01number of calls that were

1:40:02behavioral health related, uh,

1:40:04the goal and success in that is

1:40:06seeing a reduction in that

1:40:08space as well, because one of

1:40:10the things that you'll hear is

1:40:11the number of repeaters that

1:40:13occurred. And if we can provide

1:40:15the resource to the individual

1:40:16who may call multiple times

1:40:17throughout the year, then

1:40:18you'll see a reduction in those

1:40:20calls being had. And I think

1:40:21that's also how we will measure

1:40:23success specifically with the

1:40:24alternative response model.

1:40:26My my final question is. Folks

1:40:31know how 911 well, people

1:40:34should know how 911 works when

1:40:36they when they make that call,

1:40:39tell explain to our audience

1:40:42how it works. Yes, sir. As far

1:40:44as getting in contact with your

1:40:46service, because not every 911

1:40:50is our officers. absolutely

1:40:52need it.

1:40:52Absolutely. In the meantime,

1:40:54uh, while we work to develop

1:40:55the alternative response model,

1:40:57the goal with that is to have,

1:40:58number one, um, utilized ox and

1:41:00dispatch ox to those mental,

1:41:02behavioral health related

1:41:03calls. In the meantime, though,

1:41:05uh, what I always recommend to

1:41:07folks is call the the call

1:41:09center or the city of

1:41:10Fayetteville. And Deborah,

1:41:12their supervisor, works well

1:41:13with us and, um, communicates

1:41:15when someone calls. That could

1:41:17be an ox related call or

1:41:18specifically specifically

1:41:20requested ox. What she does and

1:41:22her team, does it just simply

1:41:23refer them to us, and then we

1:41:25engage with them through our

1:41:26community engagement lead and

1:41:27the Jerry folks. So the call

1:41:29center, as well as our social

1:41:31media channels we have now,

1:41:32which I don't think I even

1:41:33brought up, but we have

1:41:34Facebook, we have Instagram,

1:41:37um, and we also have ox. The

1:41:39website has my email, my,

1:41:41supervisor, my two program

1:41:42manager's email, as well as the

1:41:44office as a whole are generic

1:41:45email. Thank you sir. Yes, sir.

1:41:47All right, Councilman Jones.

1:41:49Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, first

1:41:51want to, uh, definitely commend

1:41:53you and the staff is it's

1:41:56extremely opportunistic. I'm

1:41:59going to use that word, uh,

1:42:00when you talk about creating

1:42:02and setting up a new

1:42:04department, I mean, you you

1:42:05have to do standard operating

1:42:06procedure. You have to get

1:42:07staff in place, all while

1:42:09dealing with our demands, the

1:42:11demands of the community. So I

1:42:12really want to commend your

1:42:13staff and and you, when you

1:42:15came aboard as well, uh, just

1:42:17from that vantage point,

1:42:18because that is remarkable.

1:42:19Just looking at some of the

1:42:21numbers. So I just had a few

1:42:22questions. Uh, one that I hear

1:42:25you say something in regards to

1:42:26some changes. Um, or a

1:42:29different way of looking at the

1:42:31micro grant application

1:42:32process. Could you speak to

1:42:34that again? And then I'll make

1:42:35my statement.

1:42:35On it. Yes, sir. Um, with the,

1:42:37uh, micro grants, the original

1:42:38purpose, to my understanding,

1:42:40was to develop capacity

1:42:42building opportunities for

1:42:43organizations in the city of

1:42:45city of Fayetteville to grow as

1:42:46an organization. With that in

1:42:48mind, over the years, they have

1:42:50been successful. Last year,

1:42:52there was an increased

1:42:52investment in that, adding

1:42:54$100,000 to create that

1:42:57$230,000, um, over the budget

1:43:00season, we as Office Community

1:43:02Safety received funding that

1:43:04would not allow us to move

1:43:05forward. That $230,000 number.

1:43:07Um, but we did want to continue

1:43:10the micro grants because we see

1:43:11the the desire from council to

1:43:13have those low barrier

1:43:15opportunities for watch groups,

1:43:16small organizations, etc., to

1:43:19receive funding to provide a

1:43:20service to the community.

1:43:21However, as the Office of

1:43:23Community Safety, the best way

1:43:24for us to do so is to ensure

1:43:26that these dollars are being as

1:43:27effective as possible. And with

1:43:29that, we did hear from

1:43:31community that they really

1:43:32desire to continually save

1:43:34space activations. So when we

1:43:37heard that from community, the

1:43:38most financial, uh, the most

1:43:41responsible financial decision

1:43:42we could make as an office was

1:43:44to, uh, transition the micro

1:43:47grants into capacity building

1:43:49to more focusing on the safe

1:43:51space activations, giving, um,

1:43:53the request that we received in

1:43:54the applications for the

1:43:55previous micro grants. A lot of

1:43:57them had to do with something

1:43:58event related. So if we could

1:44:00match our efforts with the

1:44:02efforts and desires of

1:44:03community and ensure there's a,

1:44:05uh, structured, more structured

1:44:07way from our office to the

1:44:09community, then that's the best

1:44:10way for us to do so. So with

1:44:12that in mind, we're going to

1:44:13be, um, we're working on what

1:44:14that looks like now. Uh, we

1:44:16look to have messaging out in

1:44:18October and November, December,

1:44:20we're going to have a workshop.

1:44:22That's also nothing we heard

1:44:23from community. We we don't

1:44:25know how to apply for

1:44:26applications or the feedback

1:44:28that I did apply, but I didn't

1:44:30get it. So going back to the

1:44:32Fable Tech partnership, um,

1:44:33it's a little bit different. We

1:44:34want to be, uh, a little bit

1:44:36more intentional with the

1:44:37application process and go over

1:44:39it verbatim. And to that point,

1:44:41give everybody the equal

1:44:42opportunity to apply as well.

1:44:43And what we're going to see is,

1:44:45um, a flat rate to go across

1:44:48organizations with $100,000

1:44:51that we have allocated for the

1:44:52micro grants for the rest of

1:44:53the the fiscal season.

1:44:54Gotcha. And and just to hit on

1:44:56you, you're definitely hear me

1:44:58talk about this a little later.

1:44:59I want to belabor it today. One

1:45:01of the concerns I have been

1:45:02here and I, I've stated this

1:45:04before, I think to some of my

1:45:05other, uh, counterparts as

1:45:07well, uh, the notion that some

1:45:09of our community watch groups

1:45:10were just feeling like they

1:45:12were literally being pushed

1:45:13out. Uh, some of the community

1:45:15watch groups are older in

1:45:17nature, uh, older individuals.

1:45:18So it's very challenging for

1:45:20them to compete with the youth

1:45:22program and with organizations

1:45:23that do it on a regular basis.

1:45:25So I know that may be a policy

1:45:26issue that we may have to look

1:45:27at. Uh, but I just want to put

1:45:29that out there. And then

1:45:30lastly, uh, you spoke about the

1:45:32the engagement. Uh, and I love

1:45:35the collaboration with

1:45:37Fayetteville Tech and the, uh,

1:45:39Mid Carolina Council. I mean,

1:45:40that was just a phenomenal, uh,

1:45:43program. I mean, just to talk

1:45:44with some of the youth and some

1:45:46of the local businesses that

1:45:48were here. So two parts of

1:45:49that, uh, I know you invested,

1:45:51you said 300,000. That was out

1:45:53of your budget from last year.

1:45:55That was in the that was in the

1:45:56budget. We were given the $2.4

1:45:58million.

1:45:58Are we does it look like we're

1:46:00going to be able to do that for

1:46:02this current year?

1:46:03As of right now, I can't commit

1:46:05to the 300,000 mark that we

1:46:07provided last year. Um, as

1:46:09right now where we stand, we're

1:46:10awaiting some financial

1:46:11decisions to be had. Um, but I

1:46:13can't give you that commitment.

1:46:14That's fair. Uh, I'll talk to

1:46:16that later. And then, uh, in

1:46:17regards to staffing, I know

1:46:19it's, uh, your staff has done a

1:46:21a lot in a short period of

1:46:24time, and I know it has to be

1:46:25built out. So I want to really

1:46:27encourage you. And I know you

1:46:28just speaking to the department

1:46:30head that you are definitely

1:46:32continue to take care of your

1:46:33staff like I know you're doing,

1:46:35because it's a lot of work. You

1:46:36all that that is a tremendous

1:46:38amount of work, uh, that you're

1:46:40being asked to do with a small

1:46:42budget. I mean, it's not a

1:46:43budget, but a small number of

1:46:45individuals. And I know it's

1:46:46getting built out. So continue

1:46:48to do that. And I we look

1:46:49forward to, uh, trying to

1:46:50support you in the next few,

1:46:52uh, budgets to get you built

1:46:54out to kind of help relinquish

1:46:56some of that, uh, stress they

1:46:58did. This is coming from Jones.

1:47:00Uh, just because I, I know you

1:47:01all do a lot. Thank you so

1:47:02much, Mr. Mayor.

1:47:03All right. Yes, sir.

1:47:04So thank you. Council. Uh,

1:47:05let's get a motion. And thank

1:47:06you again, Doctor Jones. Uh,

1:47:08uh, kind of kudos to everything

1:47:09that has been said already. Uh,

1:47:11Councilman, need a motion to

1:47:13accept the report. All right.

1:47:15Motion by Council member

1:47:16Harris, seconded by Mayor Pro

1:47:18Tem to accept the report. Um,

1:47:20officer, community Safety

1:47:22Council, I look to you for your

1:47:23votes on that. Okay. All right.

1:47:30Motion carries. Thank you, sir.

1:47:31Thank you all.

1:47:32All right. All right. Council

1:47:39moving to 9.01. Uh, or 9.02.

1:47:45Sorry. How are you doing?

1:48:15Good evening.

1:48:16Good evening.

1:48:18Um.

1:48:19Tonight we have our financial

1:48:22advisors. Um, Mr. David

1:48:25Chitwood from first try on,

1:48:27advisors that will be giving us

1:48:28a financial update. Um, in

1:48:30addition to that, we have a

1:48:33motion that will come after

1:48:35that for the board to adopt the

1:48:37preliminary resolution in order

1:48:39for us to sell Lobs for the

1:48:43issuance of that. For the

1:48:44MacArthur Park and Fire Station

1:48:47apparatus. At this time, we'll

1:48:50have Mr. Chicken.

1:48:51Thank you.

1:48:54Tiffany, how do I share.

1:48:57That?

1:48:59I was trying to. We don't have

1:49:04anyone.

1:49:04Okay. And then I just click

1:49:11through it. Okay, great. Thank

1:49:13you. Mayor. Council members.

1:49:15Good evening.

1:49:16Good evening sir.

1:49:17Thank you very much for having

1:49:18me here tonight. As you may

1:49:20recall, I was last before you

1:49:21back in January, uh, in

1:49:23connection with the city's

1:49:24issuance of general obligation

1:49:26bonds to fund a variety of

1:49:28infrastructure improvements and

1:49:29some public safety projects.

1:49:31So, as Tiffany laid out, I'm

1:49:33here tonight to give you an

1:49:33overview of a new financing.

1:49:35This would be a limited

1:49:36obligation bond financing ahead

1:49:38of a resolution that you have

1:49:40before you tonight, uh, to for

1:49:42approval. Um, the primary

1:49:44purpose of. Making sure I can

1:49:48do this here, uh, the driver of

1:49:51this limited obligation bond

1:49:52financing is the MacArthur Road

1:49:53Sports Complex. Y'all are very

1:49:56familiar with the project. As I

1:49:57understand it, you took

1:49:59construction bids on that

1:50:00project back in February of

1:50:01this year. You entered into a

1:50:03construction contract in April.

1:50:05Estimated or approximate

1:50:07construction cost of 13.7

1:50:10million. In addition to that

1:50:11construction cost, you have

1:50:13some other soft cost design,

1:50:14engineering, architect fees, as

1:50:16well as some equipment and

1:50:17lighting brings the total that

1:50:19we're looking to finance. With

1:50:20the limited obligation bond up

1:50:22to $18 million. And that's, as

1:50:24I mentioned, is the driver of

1:50:25this financing. At the same

1:50:27time, you all have six

1:50:28different fire trucks or

1:50:29apparatus that you've either

1:50:31already ordered or purchased.

1:50:33And so just for efficiency

1:50:34sake, for staff time cost of

1:50:37issuance, we've decided to put

1:50:38those two together and finance

1:50:41both the sports complex and the

1:50:43fire trucks all in one

1:50:44financing. And so that's

1:50:46ultimately what is the initial

1:50:48action before you tonight, I

1:50:50provided an estimated set of

1:50:52numbers here. So in total these

1:50:55bonds would fund about $26

1:50:57million worth of projects

1:50:58between the sports complex,

1:51:00approximately 18 million. And

1:51:02then the fire trucks, those six

1:51:03different trucks tally up to

1:51:05just under $8 million. We've

1:51:08had conversations with the

1:51:09Local Government Commission

1:51:10that ultimately will approve

1:51:11this debt. We've got some

1:51:13estimated numbers here based on

1:51:15an estimated interest rate of

1:51:16approximately 4.4%, you'll see

1:51:19that principal and interest

1:51:20repayment schedule. I will note

1:51:22we've got internally some

1:51:24different ways we're

1:51:24structuring this debt. The

1:51:25sports complex. We are repaying

1:51:27that over a 20 year term on a

1:51:30level principal basis. The fire

1:51:32trucks slightly shorter useful

1:51:34life than the sports complex.

1:51:35So we're amortizing those over

1:51:37an approximately 15 year period

1:51:39on a level debt service basis.

1:51:41And that makes a little bit

1:51:42more sense when you look at the

1:51:44breakout here, uh, between the

1:51:47two. So you've got the

1:51:49MacArthur Park Sports Complex

1:51:50on the left hand side. That's

1:51:51that 20 year repayment term.

1:51:53And then you have the six

1:51:54different fire trucks on the

1:51:55right hand side. That's a 15

1:51:57year repayment term,

1:51:58approximately level debt

1:51:59service. Uh, these bonds will

1:52:01be issued. You have some 2018

1:52:03and 2019 limited obligation

1:52:05bonds outstanding. Those have

1:52:07some master trust agreement

1:52:09structure in place. It's giving

1:52:11us the ability to issue

1:52:12additional bonds under that

1:52:13master trust indenture. So we

1:52:15don't have to pledge any

1:52:16additional collateral. We can

1:52:17use that. Um, that collateral

1:52:20from 2018 for this financing as

1:52:22well, which is a good thing,

1:52:24you know, that MacArthur Park,

1:52:25y'all are building that on land

1:52:26that you you're leasing from

1:52:28Fort Bragg. And so it's just

1:52:29cleaner to issue these bonds

1:52:30under the 2018 documents. In

1:52:34terms of our next steps here,

1:52:36as we've mentioned, you've got

1:52:37a preliminary resolution before

1:52:39you for approval this evening.

1:52:41Uh, there's two other actions

1:52:42that would come before you over

1:52:43the next month or so on your at

1:52:46your next meeting on October

1:52:4712th, you would hold a public

1:52:48hearing. And then on your at

1:52:51your meeting on October 26th,

1:52:54you'll adopt an approving

1:52:55resolution. Uh, in the

1:52:57meantime, while that's going

1:52:59on, we will prepare an

1:53:01application to the Local

1:53:02Government Commission. Submit

1:53:03that for approval next week,

1:53:04and get on their agenda for

1:53:06November 3rd for approval. And

1:53:09then, just like we did with

1:53:10your general obligation bonds,

1:53:12we'll reach out to the rating

1:53:13agencies, particularly or

1:53:16specifically Standard and

1:53:17Poor's, in this case to request

1:53:19a credit rating on these bonds.

1:53:21As you may recall from the

1:53:23general obligation bond earlier

1:53:24this year, the city was the

1:53:26city's credit ratings were

1:53:27affirmed. You all have the

1:53:29second highest credit ratings

1:53:31possible on your general

1:53:32obligation bonds. That's a

1:53:34double AA one from Moody's and

1:53:36a double A+ from Standard and

1:53:38Poor's. Again, second highest

1:53:39rating possible. Uh, just which

1:53:41is indicative of the good

1:53:42financial health of the city.

1:53:44You say that parking.

1:53:45In..

1:53:46Yeah. Uh, the second highest

1:53:47rating possible. Great

1:53:48financial health of the city.

1:53:50So when we go back to Standard

1:53:52and Poor's to get these bonds

1:53:53rated, limited

1:53:54Obligation bonds, which are. Do

1:53:56not pledge your taxing power.

1:53:57They are secured by collateral

1:54:00and an appropriation pledge.

1:54:02Because of that, they are

1:54:04always rated below your general

1:54:06obligation bond rating. So our

1:54:08expectation is that these bonds

1:54:09will be rated one notch below

1:54:11your G0 rating from Standard

1:54:13and or AA. So just wanted to

1:54:15make that clear. When you come

1:54:16back and you see a AA rating,

1:54:18that's just because the

1:54:19structure security structure is

1:54:21slightly different. Your credit

1:54:22rating or expectation is

1:54:24remains the same on the general

1:54:26obligation bond side. We are

1:54:29scheduled to sell these bonds

1:54:31November 12th, and then we

1:54:33would close on December 3rd. So

1:54:36happy to answer any other

1:54:37questions you have on the

1:54:38financing itself or security

1:54:40structure, repayment structure.

1:54:42One thing I did say these no

1:54:44tax increases associated with

1:54:45this. You all, as you well

1:54:47know, allocate a certain number

1:54:48of pennies on your tax rate to

1:54:49your capital fund. This debt

1:54:51service would get paid out of

1:54:52that capital fund.

1:54:53And thank you, Mr. Chief, for

1:54:55clarifying that. Um, because

1:54:57again, you know, some of the

1:54:59public listening may not

1:55:01understand some of the Parks

1:55:02and Rec bond was passed. You

1:55:03have authorization that was

1:55:04given by the Local Government

1:55:06Commission. And you you

1:55:07mentioned tonight you using

1:55:09some of the 2018 authorization,

1:55:10which means that, um, the the

1:55:13repayment structure had already

1:55:15been factored into the current

1:55:17rate that's being paid. And so

1:55:18this is just trenching down

1:55:20some of that money. But I had a

1:55:22question for you. How are you

1:55:23seeing interest rates impacted

1:55:25by everything? I know it's not

1:55:27the most ideal time, but again,

1:55:29so it's construction inflation.

1:55:31So you're battling against two

1:55:32different.

1:55:33You're exactly right my mayor.

1:55:34It is a it's a tough market out

1:55:36there right now. On the

1:55:37interest rate side we have seen

1:55:39rates increase over the past

1:55:40couple of months. That's being

1:55:42entirely driven by what's going

1:55:44on overseas, how that's

1:55:45impacting the price of oil and

1:55:47therefore inflation as well. So

1:55:48we have seen interest rates

1:55:50rise. You know it's really hard

1:55:51to time the market exactly

1:55:53right. But you're you're right

1:55:55in that, you know if you say

1:55:57well hey let's play the market,

1:55:58wait for a better day. If you

1:56:00have to go and rebid this

1:56:01project or get a new, um, um,

1:56:04cost from the contractor, that

1:56:06could go up as well and offset

1:56:07any benefit you have on the

1:56:08interest rate side. So

1:56:09typically that's where I don't

1:56:11recommend to go out and play

1:56:12the market if you have a need

1:56:14and it fits within your capital

1:56:16budget. Let's go forward with

1:56:18that. All that said, if

1:56:19something truly dramatic

1:56:20happens and the market shuts

1:56:22down, we're under no obligation

1:56:24to sell. We can always press

1:56:25pause and wait for a different

1:56:27time. But, you know, currently

1:56:29deals, despite elevated rates,

1:56:31are still getting done. There

1:56:32still interest and appetite out

1:56:34there from bond investors,

1:56:35especially for North Carolina.

1:56:37Credits. Good quality credits

1:56:38like the city.

1:56:39Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.

1:56:40Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Real

1:56:42quick, under the fire

1:56:43apparatus, it's my

1:56:44understanding that we don't use

1:56:46these bonds unless it's needed.

1:56:47And I know when you talk about

1:56:49fire trucks, that is a 4 or 5,

1:56:51sometimes six year process. Do

1:56:53we have something already in

1:56:54line? Why we need this money

1:56:55for these fire apparatuses.

1:56:57So you all, in anticipation of

1:56:59this? Um, you've ordered these

1:57:01years ago, and I may ask

1:57:03Tiffany if she's got specific

1:57:04dates, but you have ordered

1:57:05these in the past. And so a lot

1:57:07of these are now being

1:57:08delivered. And so part of this

1:57:09money will actually reimburse

1:57:11the city because you all

1:57:12prepaid some of these to get a

1:57:14better cost on those trucks.

1:57:16And so part of it will

1:57:17reimburse the city. Part of it

1:57:18is to pay for some new trucks

1:57:20that are coming in. But we've

1:57:21been waiting on this for a

1:57:22little while until these trucks

1:57:24get delivered or close to being

1:57:26delivered.

1:57:27How much will we have in the

1:57:28left in the general obligation

1:57:29bond for public safety after

1:57:31this is used?

1:57:32So just to be clear, this

1:57:34financing is not being issued

1:57:36under your general obligation

1:57:37bond authorization. You still

1:57:40have, um, I believe $45 million

1:57:44under your public safety

1:57:45general obligation bond issue.

1:57:47We issued 15 million earlier

1:57:48this year for public safety,

1:57:50and we will come back again at

1:57:52some point when you're ready to

1:57:53issue the additional bonds.

1:57:55This is not being issued under

1:57:56that authorization. Of course,

1:57:59these are public safety needs

1:58:00because they're fire trucks.

1:58:01But the, um, oftentimes we will

1:58:04do a standalone financing for

1:58:06fire trucks. We've in vehicles

1:58:07and equipment, which we've done

1:58:08for the city in the past as

1:58:10well. We're just really

1:58:11bringing these into this

1:58:12limited obligation bond

1:58:13financing for efficiency.

1:58:15Thank you sir. Thank you, Mr.

1:58:16Mayor.

1:58:17Council member McMillan.

1:58:18Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor. And

1:58:20I appreciate this presentation

1:58:21and the information. Um, um,

1:58:24I'm doing some learning. I've

1:58:26even learned from you in this

1:58:26brief, and I appreciate you

1:58:28naming, uh, the 20 year payment

1:58:30plan and the 15 year payment

1:58:32plan, uh, respectively. Uh, I

1:58:35have a question about, uh,

1:58:36payback periods. Um, and I'm

1:58:39not just talking about these

1:58:40two, two projects. And this

1:58:42goes back to concerns I hear

1:58:43from my neighbors, uh, when

1:58:45they look at Sacred Stadium,

1:58:47uh, they look at our

1:58:48conversations about our

1:58:50convention center, uh, and

1:58:52concerns that, um, that we will

1:58:54for a long time be paying back,

1:58:57uh, these commitments and, um,

1:59:00concerns that we won't have

1:59:02revenue and that that will put

1:59:03us in in the future in a stable

1:59:06position. I'm wondering if if

1:59:08there is a place where the

1:59:10council could look, is there a

1:59:12presentation? Is there some

1:59:15some sort of assessment that

1:59:16your office does or that any of

1:59:19our staff does? That takes a

1:59:20look at the payback periods of

1:59:22of all of these, uh, capital

1:59:23projects that we're investing

1:59:25in heavily and really tells us,

1:59:27gives us a realistic assessment

1:59:29of when we'll come out of the

1:59:31debt that we're accruing in the

1:59:32last several years.

1:59:33Yeah, absolutely. And, Tiffany,

1:59:34feel free to add on to this,

1:59:35but I know just working with

1:59:36your staff for a number of

1:59:38years, you all do have a long

1:59:39term capital plan and financial

1:59:41plan that incorporates all of

1:59:43your existing debt, as well as

1:59:45some of these proposed proposed

1:59:46projects. Just like this,

1:59:48borrowing. Just like the future

1:59:49tranches of the general

1:59:51obligation bond authorization

1:59:52you have. And so internally,

1:59:54you all have allocated a

1:59:55certain number of pennies or a

1:59:56certain revenue source to repay

1:59:58that debt. You've got that long

1:59:59term plan that shows those

2:00:01revenues are sufficient to do

2:00:03that. So yeah, your staff has

2:00:04done a great job of putting

2:00:05that together.

2:00:07Yes. Just as, um, Mr. Chitwood

2:00:10mentioned, we have a CIP and

2:00:13part of the CIP is, um, how do

2:00:15we plan to fund our capital

2:00:17needs? Uh, one of the things

2:00:18that you have to keep in mind

2:00:20is that we have delayed

2:00:22maintenance on a lot of the

2:00:24city infrastructure that needs

2:00:26to be addressed, as well as new

2:00:28infrastructure that will come

2:00:29on board. And when the CIP is

2:00:32adopted, it is adopted.

2:00:33Understanding that, um, we're

2:00:35taking into consideration our

2:00:37debt capacity and when to

2:00:39actually issue debt in order to

2:00:41meet those needs, because the

2:00:43city is not in a position to

2:00:45cash flow all our needs at any

2:00:47given time, debt is a part of

2:00:48our long term financial plan.

2:00:53Thank you.

2:00:54All right, Mr. Chief.

2:00:56What?

2:00:56Yes, sir.

2:00:57I asked you to repeat something

2:00:58a few moments ago. It was for a

2:01:00reason, right? That the city is

2:01:02a almost a $400 million entity.

2:01:06Like a company, a corporation

2:01:08you're always going to have

2:01:08ongoing expenses. You're. If

2:01:10you're a growing city and not a

2:01:12shrinking city, you are going

2:01:13to need to buy fire trucks. So

2:01:14you'll need to pave streets or

2:01:15you'll need to build things.

2:01:16Unless you're a city that's

2:01:18shrinking and not advancing.

2:01:20So, um, but the fact that you

2:01:22said that the city has one of

2:01:24the highest credit ratings that

2:01:25will go out for this means that

2:01:28it's been done responsibly. And

2:01:29that and that growth has been

2:01:31responsible and fiscal. So I

2:01:32want to make sure that we

2:01:33understood that. And, um, if

2:01:36you're a business and you don't

2:01:37have ongoing expenses, then

2:01:39that means you you're not

2:01:40moving and moving forward. Um,

2:01:41would you agree?

2:01:42You haven't.

2:01:43Absolutely.

2:01:43Yeah. You wouldn't be in

2:01:44business if you if

2:01:45municipalities didn't need the

2:01:47finance and borrow and grow.

2:01:49That's right. Normally if I see

2:01:50an entity that doesn't have any

2:01:51debt outstanding, a lot of

2:01:53times it can be a red flag that

2:01:54they haven't kept up with their

2:01:55projects. They're not growing.

2:01:57They don't have.

2:01:57You'll get deferred maintenance

2:01:58and and things that we're

2:02:00reading about these days. But,

2:02:01uh, all right, all right.

2:02:03Councilmember Jones okay. Uh,

2:02:06Councilmember Jones is a

2:02:07motion.

2:02:07Any more questions? If not, I'd

2:02:09like to move that. We receive

2:02:10the financial advisors update

2:02:12and adopted preliminary

2:02:14findings resolution as

2:02:15presented.

2:02:16All right. It's a motion by

2:02:17Councilmember Jones, seconded

2:02:18by Davis. Discussion. All

2:02:20right, counselor, look to you

2:02:21for your votes. All right.

2:02:29Thank you, Mr. Stewart. Good to

2:02:30see you again. Motion carries

2:02:32unanimously. All right.

2:02:33Council. Uh, moving to 10.01.

2:02:37Uh, Barry Dunn, consultant.

2:02:39Miss Jody, I know you're glad

2:02:41to see this item on here.

2:02:42I'm back. You know, I'm glad to

2:02:44see it on here. Let me see if I

2:02:47can find this for y'all. Okay.

2:02:56I'm not going to stand up here

2:02:57long. I'm going to introduce

2:02:58the people who are going to

2:02:59tell you all the important

2:03:01stuff. But I just want to take

2:03:03a minute to thank you, Council,

2:03:05for your foresight in

2:03:07commissioning this report. Uh,

2:03:09because you brought it to us,

2:03:10the city was able to get very

2:03:12Dunn in to independently review

2:03:14our site, plan our permitting

2:03:16and our development process.

2:03:18And tonight I am very excited

2:03:21to have the team here to share

2:03:23with you their findings, but

2:03:25more importantly, to share with

2:03:26you what a recommended action

2:03:28plan is to move forward. Uh, I

2:03:30want to say that this process I

2:03:33know, wasn't always easy. Uh,

2:03:35sometimes it was maybe even a

2:03:37little painful or

2:03:39uncomfortable, but it was very

2:03:40necessary. And I want to thank

2:03:43the development services team,

2:03:44particularly Alex Magana and

2:03:47Jennifer Baptiste, who opened

2:03:49their hearts and their homes

2:03:50and their offices to this

2:03:52process. Doctor Newton and all

2:03:55of the staff that's here behind

2:03:56me, uh, they know the value in

2:03:58this. We know the value in

2:04:00this. And I want to thank the

2:04:01council members and the

2:04:02community members who shared

2:04:03their feedback throughout this

2:04:04important process. Uh, Barry

2:04:06Dunn is going to share with you

2:04:07tonight the, um, environmental

2:04:11report and their

2:04:12recommendations. They have

2:04:14developed 15 different

2:04:16recommendations with almost 70

2:04:18individual action items over

2:04:20five focus areas. That's

2:04:22important because that's going

2:04:23to allow us to move towards

2:04:25what our desired future state

2:04:27is, hopefully within the next

2:04:2918 to 24 months, we'll be able

2:04:32to have a much stronger process

2:04:34that our business owners, our

2:04:36developers, our residents know

2:04:38that Fayetteville is a place

2:04:39where you want to invest in,

2:04:41and you want to help us grow.

2:04:43So, uh, without any further

2:04:46ado, I'm going to introduce

2:04:47Carrie and Sam. Carrie, you're

2:04:49here right behind me, and I'm

2:04:50going to let you take it away.

2:04:51And the PowerPoint should be

2:04:52right there. Just forward.

2:04:54I think.

2:04:58Good evening.

2:05:21It should. They'll pull it up

2:05:26on the screen here in a minute,

2:05:28but I sure just forwarded.

2:05:31Thank you, thank you. Good

2:05:33evening. Mayor. Members of the

2:05:34council, thank you for the time

2:05:36to to be with you tonight. I

2:05:38did want to start by thanking

2:05:39ACM Phelps. Doctor. Newton,

2:05:41Jennifer Baptist, Alex Magana

2:05:43for their support and

2:05:44involvement in this project.

2:05:46Jennifer especially was very

2:05:47instrumental in coordinating

2:05:49staff, and I just wanted many

2:05:51of the staff were here and they

2:05:52were very generous with their

2:05:54time and provided great

2:05:55feedback to our team, making

2:05:56this process much, much easier

2:05:58for us. Um, my name is Carrie

2:06:00Willette with Barry Dunn, here

2:06:02with Sam Eisenberg and Una

2:06:04mano, who are also supporting

2:06:06the project and the downtown

2:06:08study. I do have a lengthy

2:06:10presentation, but wanted to go

2:06:12through this quickly in the

2:06:13interest of time, and also

2:06:15we'll pause for for questions

2:06:17if that's okay with with the

2:06:19council as we go through, we're

2:06:21going to talk about the, um,

2:06:22give an overview overview of

2:06:24the project, talk through our

2:06:25current environment findings.

2:06:28Uh, we'll walk through each of

2:06:29the recommendations for

2:06:30improvement. And then our

2:06:32approach to implementation. So

2:06:36just, um, as an overview, as

2:06:40you know, we were retained by

2:06:42the city to understand document

2:06:45challenges and identify some

2:06:47opportunities to improve

2:06:48efficiency, transparency in the

2:06:50customer experience and develop

2:06:52a recommendations and

2:06:53implementation plan to to move

2:06:55forward. And that finally, um,

2:06:58supporting effective change

2:06:59management as we go into phase

2:07:01three, which we'll talk about

2:07:02later and all that aligning

2:07:04with what we understand are

2:07:06some of the citywide goals,

2:07:08including, um, improving

2:07:10customer service and supporting

2:07:14a strong development

2:07:16environment for economic

2:07:18growth. We started working with

2:07:20the city back in December of

2:07:222025. First phase looking at

2:07:25current current conditions,

2:07:27meeting with staff, diagramming

2:07:29those processes and conducting

2:07:32some peer community research.

2:07:34Um, building off of that into

2:07:36phase two, identifying

2:07:38opportunities, um, challenges

2:07:40and recommendations, building

2:07:43out an implementation plan for

2:07:44how to implement those

2:07:45recommendations, and then also

2:07:47providing some best practices

2:07:49that we found through our work

2:07:50and research. And then phase

2:07:52three will be our team looking

2:07:54at ways in which we can support

2:07:56the city and implementation. So

2:08:01first, um, what's working?

2:08:02Well, we we first looked at the

2:08:05TRC process and then the

2:08:07permitting and inspections

2:08:08process. Generally, the overall

2:08:10process is is strong. We found

2:08:13from um, we conducted a survey

2:08:15of external stakeholders as

2:08:17well as met with some in focus

2:08:19groups. We heard from 275. We

2:08:23got 275 responses to the

2:08:25survey. Uh, overwhelmingly

2:08:27positive response on the

2:08:28technical review committee

2:08:29process, which aligns with what

2:08:31what we saw and what we've seen

2:08:32across the country. That

2:08:34process has is running very

2:08:36smoothly, um, very timely. And

2:08:39developers are generally happy

2:08:41with that. Um, and cities also

2:08:44meeting requirements for plan

2:08:47review, uh, inspections and

2:08:50hearing about just positive

2:08:52customer service feedback,

2:08:53especially changes over the

2:08:54last few years that that have

2:08:55been implemented by the by the

2:08:57department and the city. Um,

2:08:59generally positive responses

2:09:01related to the professionalism

2:09:03of staff and helpfulness of

2:09:05staff. Um, good collaboration

2:09:07across departments, um,

2:09:09institutional knowledge, that's

2:09:11a benefit. Also a potential

2:09:13risk when we when we look at

2:09:14the longevity of the staff here

2:09:16and and thinking about planning

2:09:17for the future. Um, and just as

2:09:19I mentioned, the department is

2:09:22moving forward with a lot of

2:09:23changes already and has been

2:09:26throughout this process. And

2:09:27that culture of continuous

2:09:28improvement is really is really

2:09:30strong. Um, just quickly

2:09:34touching on the technology

2:09:35environment. Um, one thing we

2:09:37noted was that the IT plans,

2:09:39the permitting and planning

2:09:41system was implemented

2:09:42initially for planning, and

2:09:43there were some challenges

2:09:45with, um, permitting

2:09:47inspections not being the the

2:09:48initial, um, recipient of that,

2:09:51that implementation of that

2:09:54system. So there are some

2:09:55opportunities to streamline

2:09:57workflow, uh, for permitting

2:09:59and inspections, especially,

2:10:02um, through the peer community

2:10:05analysis. This was not a deep

2:10:07dive into each individual

2:10:10community, but overall, looking

2:10:11at how Fayetteville compares,

2:10:13especially regarding timelines

2:10:15for planning, um, site plan and

2:10:17permit review, um, notably

2:10:20faster with the site plan TRC

2:10:23review process than other

2:10:25comparable communities, and

2:10:27very much in line with other

2:10:29communities with the with plan

2:10:31review and inspections. Again

2:10:34meeting those those

2:10:34requirements meeting or

2:10:35exceeding those requirements by

2:10:36the state. Um, just some

2:10:38opportunities, we noted when

2:10:39looking at what other

2:10:40communities do, um,

2:10:43Fayetteville has a higher

2:10:45percentage of trade permits

2:10:48compared to total permits. So

2:10:50automating some of those

2:10:51processes would be would help

2:10:53to expand to staff capacity.

2:10:55And then also looking at the

2:10:57information that some other

2:10:58communities provide. So

2:10:59expanding transparency through

2:11:01some dashboards or other, um,

2:11:04other ways that the public can

2:11:05access information. Uh, and

2:11:09then primary challenges, we

2:11:12identified six primary

2:11:13challenges in phase one. First,

2:11:15around, um, alignment of roles

2:11:17and responsibilities. The

2:11:19second, again, leveraging the

2:11:21existing permitting system to

2:11:23align with with workflow,

2:11:25implementing process and system

2:11:27changes. I think there could be

2:11:29better structure around that.

2:11:30Um, communication across

2:11:33departments. Some of that is

2:11:34still happening via email and

2:11:36phone. And so kind of improving

2:11:37efficiency of how that happens.

2:11:39Um, and then generally the

2:11:42process by nature is, is

2:11:44complex. So some applicants,

2:11:45especially first time

2:11:47applicants, um, homeowners find

2:11:50this complex and some

2:11:52additional guidance and support

2:11:53in navigating the process. And

2:11:55the portal would be helpful.

2:11:56And then coordinating across

2:11:59departments, external partners,

2:12:01especially, um, in the TRC

2:12:04process can affect timelines.

2:12:05Some some things that the city

2:12:07doesn't have a lot of control

2:12:09over. So I will pause there

2:12:12before we move on to

2:12:13recommendations. If we have any

2:12:15any questions?

2:12:18No.

2:12:20Okay.

2:12:20I got I got one, Mr. Mayor.

2:12:22Oh, okay.

2:12:23Councilman Hondros.

2:12:24On slide ten, um, number six

2:12:27there, the coordination across

2:12:29departments, uh, and

2:12:31particularly the external

2:12:32partners. Could you give an

2:12:33example of external partners?

2:12:36Uh, so the city works with

2:12:38NCDOT, uh, PwC. And that was

2:12:41what we were hearing from from

2:12:42customers and staff that there

2:12:44were more delays with those,

2:12:45those departments, um, their,

2:12:47their own staffing challenges.

2:12:49That's what I just wanted to

2:12:50confirm. Thank you so much.

2:12:53So for recommendations, we

2:12:55identified five focus areas

2:12:57roles and staffing, change

2:12:59management and implementation.

2:13:00How changes are implemented

2:13:02within the department. Customer

2:13:04service, the the permitting

2:13:05system, and then informational

2:13:07resources. And we'll go through

2:13:08the recommendations grouped

2:13:10into those those categories.

2:13:12Uh, first for roles and

2:13:15staffing 1.1 evaluate roles and

2:13:17staffing levels to help ensure

2:13:19that capacity aligns with

2:13:21workload volume. Um, so this is

2:13:23really looking at leveraging

2:13:24staff expertise more

2:13:26efficiently, um, creating

2:13:28career growth opportunities.

2:13:29And and really supporting

2:13:31supporting staff in that way.

2:13:33Um, recommendation 1.2

2:13:38strengthen organizational

2:13:39capacity to support operations

2:13:41and continuous improvement. Um,

2:13:43looking at the overall goal of

2:13:45expanding staff capacity, um

2:13:47planning for change, including

2:13:50retirements, future growth of

2:13:52the department as the city

2:13:53grows, and then how to build

2:13:55capacity within the existing

2:13:56team. Um, before looking to

2:13:59expand. Um 1.3 expand permit

2:14:05tech responsibilities. Um, so

2:14:08typically we've seen this

2:14:10permit tech role involving some

2:14:11level of technical knowledge,

2:14:13including um, application

2:14:15intake, completeness, check

2:14:17reviewing, some simple permits.

2:14:18And we feel that there's some

2:14:20opportunity to increase

2:14:21capacity for plan reviewers by

2:14:24shifting some of that

2:14:24responsibility to the permit

2:14:26texts, as well as creating a

2:14:28professional development

2:14:29opportunities for permit text,

2:14:31especially with the um,

2:14:33upcoming state certification

2:14:35for permit techs. And then that

2:14:37would help improve help

2:14:39streamline the intake process

2:14:40and improve customer

2:14:42responsiveness. 1.4 establish a

2:14:47quality assurance and quality

2:14:48control process. Um. Clarify

2:14:50roles and responsibilities of

2:14:52supervisors. We have seen that

2:14:54there is some duplicate work

2:14:57happening in the interest of

2:14:58quality control, which is not

2:15:00not a bad thing, but does take

2:15:01up a considerable amount of

2:15:03staff supervisor time. So

2:15:05suggesting some tools for

2:15:07quality assurance. Things like

2:15:09checklists, SOPs, um, standard

2:15:12plan review, comment libraries

2:15:13and that would be to help

2:15:15improve staff technical

2:15:17knowledge and improving

2:15:19consistency in reviews across

2:15:22across the department. Um, and

2:15:24this would expand time for

2:15:26supervisors to then, um,

2:15:28conduct a certain amount of

2:15:30quality control audits and then

2:15:33use that information to support

2:15:35training and staff development.

2:15:36So looking to overall increase,

2:15:38um, staff knowledge and

2:15:40capacity. And I will pause

2:15:43there before we move on to the

2:15:44next section. Questions. Okay.

2:15:50Um, change management 2.1

2:15:54develop a governance structure

2:15:55for managing and tracking

2:15:56system and process changes. Um,

2:15:59providing a structure for for

2:16:00managing and implementing

2:16:01changes. Really helpful,

2:16:03involving a broader team across

2:16:05all all departments and

2:16:07divisions that use the system

2:16:09are involved in the process.

2:16:11Really helps, um, in making

2:16:13decisions that understand

2:16:16potential impacts and support

2:16:18by and across across all

2:16:20involved staff and help to

2:16:23support long term adoption of

2:16:25of any changes. 2.2 develop an

2:16:30internal support structure for

2:16:32the IT system. Support. Um, we

2:16:35found that right now system

2:16:40support is happening

2:16:40internally, which is which is a

2:16:42good thing. Um, departments

2:16:45relying on a small number of

2:16:47individuals for their system

2:16:48knowledge. So I think

2:16:50leveraging the technical

2:16:52knowledge of the IT staff to

2:16:54support long term technology

2:16:56decisions and planning and

2:16:57looking at how the big picture

2:16:59for technology for the city,

2:17:01including support for potential

2:17:03integrations with with it, um,

2:17:05just having that that support

2:17:08system would would be helpful.

2:17:12Uh, 2.3 uh, identify key

2:17:15performance indicators and

2:17:17goals for permit processing

2:17:18right now. Like I said, the

2:17:20staff are currently meeting

2:17:21required timelines for review

2:17:23and inspections. We understand

2:17:25they want that to be faster,

2:17:26but having clear expectations

2:17:28would be really helpful for

2:17:29staff in managing workload. And

2:17:31also communicating those goals.

2:17:34And, um, and progress on those

2:17:37goals would help improve

2:17:39transparency for for the

2:17:40public.

2:17:41Um, I did have a have a point.

2:17:44Um, I was trying to wait on a

2:17:46good place to jump in, but you

2:17:47said something. And so I

2:17:48noticed this real technical. So

2:17:50you got to kind of know the

2:17:51process. But one of the

2:17:53constant, uh, or something I've

2:17:56heard more than a few times,

2:17:57um, when you submit, um, a set

2:18:01of plans and it goes through

2:18:02the, the approval process and

2:18:05there are changes that you make

2:18:07and you make those changes,

2:18:08then it goes back and it goes

2:18:11through even departments that

2:18:13it has already, uh, been

2:18:16approved. Um, did you find any

2:18:18of that in here? Because that

2:18:19is a frustration that we hear.

2:18:21So say, for instance, if it's

2:18:22something in electrical that's

2:18:25corrected, but then it goes

2:18:26back through all of the other

2:18:28reviews again each time and

2:18:30which, you know, increases the

2:18:31likelihood that something else

2:18:32may pop up. Did you see your

2:18:34hearing of that duplication.

2:18:36A little bit? I think that's

2:18:37not always happening, but

2:18:38sometimes happening. Um, and

2:18:40that is, that's that's a common

2:18:43challenge that we see because a

2:18:46change could be made that

2:18:46impacts another department or

2:18:48another, another division. So

2:18:50it is really, um, the plan

2:18:52reviewer who's, who's

2:18:53identifying who needs who needs

2:18:55to review. Again, um, expanding

2:18:59their capacity right now.

2:19:01They're they're pretty they're

2:19:02pretty stretched and doing a

2:19:03lot of different tasks. So

2:19:05expanding their capacities to

2:19:07take the time to, to make sure

2:19:09that they're, they're not

2:19:10sending something back to

2:19:12someone that's already approved

2:19:14it, that doesn't need to review

2:19:15it.

2:19:15Right, which puts more work on

2:19:17them. Correct? Yeah. Okay.

2:19:23Um, moving on to customer

2:19:27service 3.1 establish standards

2:19:29and guidance for customer

2:19:30service. Um, overall, there's

2:19:34been an improvement in customer

2:19:35service that we've heard from

2:19:36from the community, from from

2:19:38stakeholders. But we have heard

2:19:40there's some inconsistency

2:19:41across staff, divisions,

2:19:43departments. Um, so having

2:19:45clear expectations would would

2:19:46benefit both staff and

2:19:48customers if they know what to

2:19:49expect. As far as timeliness

2:19:51and responsiveness and just

2:19:54just setting that expectation

2:19:55across the board, I think

2:19:56that's something that could be,

2:19:57uh, also looked at citywide.

2:20:023.2 expand in-person

2:20:04pre-application assistance. Um,

2:20:06I will say staff are already

2:20:08offering to meet with

2:20:10applicants. Um pre-application.

2:20:12But this could be expanded and

2:20:15be more structured and be

2:20:16promoted so that applicants

2:20:18know that that is an option.

2:20:20Um, it does take a good amount

2:20:22of staff time, but is helpful

2:20:24in identifying issues early on,

2:20:28reducing incomplete

2:20:29applications, and just really

2:20:31reduce frustration for the

2:20:32applicant if they if they know

2:20:34upfront what what potential

2:20:35issues they might have. 3.3

2:20:40establish a city service city

2:20:42services ambassador position.

2:20:45Um, we don't typically provide

2:20:47recommendations outside of the

2:20:49the process processes that

2:20:50we're looking at, but we felt

2:20:52that, um, there's a need for

2:20:55support, customer service,

2:20:57support, um, in place of what

2:20:59the permit techs are doing. So

2:21:00they are in the they're the

2:21:01front line right now when you

2:21:02walk into City Hall. Uh, and so

2:21:04they're getting a lot of

2:21:05general questions that are not

2:21:07related to development

2:21:08services, which is taking up

2:21:09quite a bit of their time. Um,

2:21:12so in addition to expanding

2:21:13capacity for the permit text,

2:21:15it would also, um, improve

2:21:18perception of, of the city

2:21:19government. I think when you,

2:21:20when you walk in and you have

2:21:22some friendly face greeting you

2:21:24and directing you where you

2:21:25need to go, helping you out,

2:21:26especially if you haven't been

2:21:27there before or are dealing

2:21:29with a regulatory issue. It's

2:21:31not. Not exactly the place that

2:21:33you're excited to be. Um, so

2:21:35having someone help you through

2:21:36that process can be can be very

2:21:37helpful and really change the

2:21:39perception of of city

2:21:40government.

2:21:41All right.

2:21:41Councilmember here.

2:21:44I like that point because we

2:21:49were somewhat talking about

2:21:50that this evening. I was just

2:21:53trying to remember the the item

2:21:56that it was. But whenever.

2:22:01Someone comes in one of our

2:22:05first moves to improve that

2:22:09customer service was moving our

2:22:14our whole desk and contact of a

2:22:18lot of our folks from the rear

2:22:20of the building to the front.

2:22:22Now, the new constructed area

2:22:24that we have out there. So with

2:22:29and you had a couple of lines

2:22:30on there, I thought it said

2:22:33ambassadors did. Did I see

2:22:36that? Uh, so.

2:22:37Yes.

2:22:39I did see that. Right. Okay. So

2:22:42what my question is, what would

2:22:45they be outside on the floor.

2:22:51To for that customer service or

2:22:55or are they behind the glass? I

2:22:58mean, what what was your

2:23:00suggestion. You said that to

2:23:02have more support in that area,

2:23:04what? Explain it.

2:23:06I think that could be

2:23:07determined by the city by by

2:23:09this group. But it should be

2:23:11the the first person that

2:23:13people see when they, they walk

2:23:14into City Hall. So whether that

2:23:15is, you know, behind a desk or

2:23:18out front, um, just rather than

2:23:22getting directed to the permit

2:23:23techs, um, having someone who's

2:23:25there and ready to help, as

2:23:27well as answering phone calls

2:23:28and emails.

2:23:29Because we were talking about

2:23:30then on an item we just had

2:23:32about helping someone, how to

2:23:35go through the process, and

2:23:38maybe our hours would be and I

2:23:42don't I'm not here all the time

2:23:43out there sitting, watching,

2:23:45but maybe outside of the glass,

2:23:51um, to maybe be out there to

2:23:54help those that come in go

2:23:56through the process. Not not so

2:23:59much. Giving them the advice of

2:24:00what to do, but help them fill

2:24:03out the process and moving

2:24:06forward to.

2:24:07This was really we were we were

2:24:08thinking of this as first

2:24:10citywide. So someone walks into

2:24:12the city hall. They've never

2:24:13been here before. They don't

2:24:14know where to go. They need

2:24:15some help. Um, and then that

2:24:18would take some time. Give some

2:24:20time back to the permit techs

2:24:22who are kind of fielding those

2:24:23general questions right now and

2:24:25allow them to provide that one

2:24:28on one support to to applicants

2:24:30who are coming in.

2:24:31Yeah.

2:24:32I like that.

2:24:32Thank you. That to hear what

2:24:34you had something before I go

2:24:35to Mayor pro tem.

2:24:35Yes, sir. Doctor here has it we

2:24:38were looking at, uh, possibly

2:24:40position that could serve as a

2:24:42reception for City Hall. It's

2:24:44quite often when we have

2:24:46visitors who are visiting

2:24:47council members, we have to

2:24:49have somebody to hold them

2:24:50there until someone from the

2:24:51third or second floor can come

2:24:53collect them. You may recall

2:24:54when we had, um, um, Moses

2:24:57Matheson, we had Mr., um,

2:24:59others who were retired seniors

2:25:02who just worked with us

2:25:03downstairs and said information

2:25:04desk and help people move

2:25:06around. And so we're actually

2:25:07looking at a variety of ways to

2:25:09possibly use, um, retirees to

2:25:12help us who, um, or if it is a

2:25:14paid staff person, what else

2:25:16they could do, maybe even focus

2:25:18on the mailroom. But that is

2:25:19something that has been a

2:25:21concern for for some time.

2:25:23Thank you. Thank you, Mayor.

2:25:25All right. Mayor Pro.

2:25:26Tem.

2:25:29Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I was not

2:25:31aware that that was a concern

2:25:33because every time I go down

2:25:34there and talk to the

2:25:35permitting ladies out there,

2:25:36they're always in good spirits

2:25:38speaking to everybody that

2:25:39comes through the door. Uh, I

2:25:41make it my business to stop and

2:25:42speak with them. Every time I'm

2:25:44in City Hall. And Alex even

2:25:46gave me a tour of the back

2:25:49offices back there and what all

2:25:50the other ladies do. So I was

2:25:52surprised to see that part of

2:25:53your recommendations for

2:25:55improvement. But what a

2:25:56question I did have was about

2:25:58your, uh, it and your

2:26:00permitting. Can you do a permit

2:26:03online?

2:26:04Yes.

2:26:05Can you pay for a permit

2:26:06online?

2:26:07Yes, I believe so.

2:26:09Are you sure?

2:26:11Yes. Okay.

2:26:14Is that a credit card?

2:26:16I, I've just gotten complaints

2:26:17about that when we want to talk

2:26:19about improvements. And I

2:26:20didn't see that as part of your

2:26:21list. When I have contractors

2:26:24that want to do work, they

2:26:25could do their permit online,

2:26:26but have to come in to City

2:26:28Hall to pay for it. So I don't

2:26:30know how that is possible, but

2:26:32when you talked about your IT,

2:26:34I thought maybe that would have

2:26:34been one of your

2:26:35recommendations. But thank you,

2:26:36Mr. Mayor. If that's.

2:26:37The case.

2:26:37My understanding is that there

2:26:39that some people still come in.

2:26:40I think there is some confusion

2:26:42about how to pay online or I

2:26:45don't know.

2:26:45If.

2:26:47If that's correct. Um, and so

2:26:52that may be part of, um, we

2:26:55haven't gotten to the system

2:26:56part, but part of, um,

2:26:59improvements to the portal is

2:27:00making that easier to use. But

2:27:01it is available.

2:27:03Is that listen to part of your

2:27:05recommendation because I

2:27:05didn't.

2:27:06See it.

2:27:06Um, not not about payment

2:27:08specifically.

2:27:11Okay.

2:27:11All right. Go ahead. Please

2:27:12proceed. Ma'am.

2:27:13Okay.

2:27:14Um, so permitting system

2:27:17recommendations 4.1 leverage

2:27:19automation and system

2:27:20functionality to streamline the

2:27:21permit process. Um, there are

2:27:23just some existing

2:27:26functionality that's not, um,

2:27:28that's not been implemented as

2:27:30well as it could to, uh, things

2:27:32like automations and

2:27:34notifications to support better

2:27:36communication. Um, including

2:27:39generating letters or, or

2:27:41sending notifications both

2:27:43internally and externally. Um,

2:27:45and 4.2, this would be where

2:27:48that would come in with regard

2:27:49to fees, improve navigation of

2:27:51the customer portal. Um, there

2:27:53has been a lot of positive

2:27:54feedback on the portal

2:27:57developers, design

2:27:58professionals who use it

2:27:59regularly have found it the

2:28:01process smooth. Um, but it is

2:28:03more challenging for first time

2:28:05applicants. Um, so clarifying

2:28:07some of that language, adding

2:28:08more instructions. Um, and then

2:28:11part of that would be

2:28:11instructions for, for payment.

2:28:14Um, would, would make the

2:28:15process smoother and reduce the

2:28:16number of phone calls to, to

2:28:18staff and to permit texts. Um,

2:28:24informational resources and

2:28:26training 5.1 establish a

2:28:28structure for education and

2:28:29training for staff. Um, this is

2:28:32an important for improving

2:28:33consistency and work and

2:28:34improving efficiency, as well

2:28:36as staff retention. Staff who

2:28:38are supported and have the

2:28:39right training and

2:28:40opportunities for career

2:28:42growth. Will will be will have

2:28:43more job satisfaction. So we

2:28:46heard a little bit about some

2:28:48some desire for additional

2:28:50training, as well as a need for

2:28:52um, permitting system and

2:28:55process training in addition to

2:28:57technical training. 5.2 develop

2:29:02permit application guides.

2:29:04There is a lot of information

2:29:06available on the city website.

2:29:07However, we think packaging

2:29:09that in a way that is easier to

2:29:12use and understand will will

2:29:13help applicants and reduce

2:29:15frustration, provide them with

2:29:17the information they need at

2:29:18the start. Um 5.3 develop a

2:29:24library of informational

2:29:25resources and code bulletins.

2:29:27So resources can also help

2:29:29applicants reduce reduce

2:29:31incomplete applications. Things

2:29:33like for example, uh,

2:29:36residential decks. Um, a lot of

2:29:38times homeowners are applying

2:29:39for those and might not know

2:29:40the code requirements or what

2:29:42they need to submit. So

2:29:43providing a a one page document

2:29:45could save staff a lot of time

2:29:47with back and forth on those

2:29:50types of those types of

2:29:52projects. Um, code bulletins

2:29:55are helpful to clarify and

2:29:56document code determinations

2:29:58that staff make. Uh, again,

2:30:00improving consistency in work

2:30:03and and determinations. Um, and

2:30:06those can be referenced in the

2:30:08future for staff also can be

2:30:11used to provide updates to the

2:30:13development community on uh,

2:30:16code changes, whether that's

2:30:17local or state. Um, any

2:30:21questions on the

2:30:22recommendations before we talk

2:30:23about implementation?

2:30:27No. Okay.

2:30:30Uh, ma'am, looks like you. You

2:30:32got it.

2:30:33All right.

2:30:34So within the report, we've

2:30:36provided a implementation

2:30:38timeline. This is a suggested

2:30:39timeline for implementation.

2:30:42Um, more importantly, it's

2:30:43showing dependencies where

2:30:45certain actions should should

2:30:46be completed before others

2:30:47begin. So, for example, you

2:30:49know, prioritizing, developing

2:30:51a governance structure to, to

2:30:53manage those changes and also

2:30:55looking at roles and

2:30:57responsibilities and aligning

2:30:59those first before moving on to

2:31:00other, um, other

2:31:02recommendations. Uh, so for

2:31:05phase three of our engagement

2:31:07with the city, we have proposed

2:31:10up to 100 hours of

2:31:11implementation support. So this

2:31:13could be, um, to help expand

2:31:15capacity, staff capacity to, to

2:31:17actually implement

2:31:19recommendations and also offer

2:31:21our guidance based on, um,

2:31:22based on our experience and

2:31:24knowledge. So some ways in

2:31:25which we can support include in

2:31:27developing the governance

2:31:28structure, we have a good deal

2:31:30of experience with with that as

2:31:32well as change management. Um,

2:31:34supporting uh, system updates

2:31:36and, and leveraging the

2:31:38automation and developing

2:31:40submission guides and

2:31:42informational resources, those

2:31:43things that take quite a bit of

2:31:45time. We can we can help with,

2:31:47um, supporting staff. And then

2:31:51I just wanted to leave you with

2:31:53a.

2:31:54Few, um.

2:31:55City council priority issues

2:31:58that would require, um, either

2:32:02council involvement or support,

2:32:04um, where that would be

2:32:05important. First, looking at

2:32:07people side of things. Um, the

2:32:09city Service Services

2:32:11ambassador position and looking

2:32:13at in implementing that as well

2:32:16as expanding and possibly

2:32:17elevating the permit tech roll,

2:32:19um, process council support in

2:32:22developing a governance

2:32:23structure for process and

2:32:25system improvements. And then

2:32:27some guidance from council on

2:32:29things like customer service

2:32:30standards and overall

2:32:32performance goals. What would

2:32:33you want to see from from the

2:32:36department? And that's all I

2:32:40have. Any additional questions?

2:32:43Uh, yeah. So Councilmember

2:32:45Hondros.

2:32:46Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you

2:32:47for that very thorough

2:32:50presentation and report. I want

2:32:51to thank Doctor Newton and his

2:32:53team. I see Assistant Director

2:32:55Steinmetz and our inspector,

2:32:58Mr. Beverage, and the whole

2:32:59team there. Uh, Alex Magana

2:33:01back there. I bug those folks,

2:33:03uh, on residents behalf quite

2:33:04often. Can you please go to

2:33:08slide 29? Um, so I think it's

2:33:13safe to say, you know, we're

2:33:15probably our departments

2:33:16running probably better than

2:33:17most above average, but with

2:33:20all your slides and your

2:33:21presentation, there's obviously

2:33:22opportunities to be even

2:33:24better. Right. So my challenge

2:33:26is because I like a lot of the

2:33:29recommendations that you've,

2:33:31um, went over and proposed. So

2:33:35we're September 26th now.

2:33:40Right? So this calendar looks

2:33:43like the next step is November

2:33:4527th.

2:33:46Sorry.

2:33:46That's the fiscal year. So that

2:33:48would be 26 okay.

2:33:51So it would be the 26 calendar

2:33:52year. The 27 fiscal year okay.

2:33:55I just wonder making sure we're

2:33:57tracking the same date okay.

2:33:58That answers my question. Thank

2:34:00you.

2:34:01Mayor Pro tem.

2:34:03Yes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm

2:34:05stuck on the same slide. And

2:34:07this is the first bullet that

2:34:08you had. Prioritize reviewing

2:34:10and adjusting roles and

2:34:11responsibilities to increase

2:34:13staff capacity and align

2:34:15resources with workload. I

2:34:17guess it's a two part question.

2:34:20Are we putting too much of a

2:34:21workload on them and they don't

2:34:23have enough staff?

2:34:25Our suggestion is to review

2:34:29roles and responsibilities,

2:34:31look at workload, make those

2:34:33adjustments, and then determine

2:34:34if additional staff are needed.

2:34:36I know right now they are in

2:34:37the process of hiring. Um, and

2:34:39so once the once the department

2:34:41is fully staffed, um, once

2:34:43we've made some of these

2:34:44changes to, to shift some

2:34:47responsibilities to open up

2:34:48some capacity, um, it may be

2:34:50that there, there's, there is a

2:34:52need for staff capacity as the

2:34:54city grows as the, as the, um,

2:34:57as there's more development.

2:34:59Um, but right now, staff are

2:35:01pretty, pretty stretched. That

2:35:02is what we've heard. So I

2:35:03think, you know, we're here

2:35:05also, um, working on the

2:35:06downtown study. Um, I know that

2:35:08the city would like to see

2:35:10more, more development and

2:35:12investment if that were to

2:35:13happen. You want to put the

2:35:15development services department

2:35:16in the position to accommodate

2:35:18that without overburdening

2:35:20staff?

2:35:20Thank you ma'am. That's just

2:35:21what I wanted to hear.

2:35:22Thank you.

2:35:23All right. Councilmember

2:35:25McMillan.

2:35:25Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, just

2:35:27just wanted to underscore that

2:35:30there's opportunities for us as

2:35:31a council to take these

2:35:33recommendations very seriously.

2:35:35And then I want to contrast

2:35:37our, uh, what we're hearing

2:35:38tonight with our discussions,

2:35:41our conversations back in May

2:35:42and June, uh, when during the

2:35:44budget process, we asked all of

2:35:47our staff, every single

2:35:48section, uh, with the exception

2:35:50of the police, uh, we asked

2:35:52them all to do more with less.

2:35:55Uh, every one of them was asked

2:35:56to look at what they were doing

2:35:58and understand what they could

2:36:00cut. And we knew back then some

2:36:03of us, uh, really understood

2:36:05that what we were doing was

2:36:08exacerbating some of the things

2:36:09that we'd already heard, and

2:36:10that we already knew. I would

2:36:12just like to underscore we have

2:36:14an opportunity to correct that,

2:36:15to listen, uh, and to be more

2:36:17humane and how we, uh, how we

2:36:20respect and treat the people

2:36:21that that work so hard on

2:36:22behalf of the city. And that

2:36:24will come down to difficult

2:36:26conversations about allocations

2:36:28and resources and

2:36:30prioritization. But I think our

2:36:32staff deserves to be

2:36:33prioritizing in a way that

2:36:35conserves their energy so they

2:36:36can do their best for the city.

2:36:38But thank you for bringing

2:36:39that.

2:36:40I would say some of the

2:36:41misalignment that we talked

2:36:42about was the department

2:36:45adjusting to to address.

2:36:47Um.

2:36:48More.

2:36:48More work.

2:36:49Thank you.

2:36:50And, and, um, thank you for

2:36:52that. And so just to kind of

2:36:55recap this, right. It was it

2:36:57was the city council, um, doing

2:37:00continuing at, uh, who brought

2:37:03the review of the process back,

2:37:05which was to ease some of the,

2:37:07some of the pressure on them

2:37:09and the frustration to make it

2:37:10a better customer service

2:37:12experience, which takes some of

2:37:13the, the, the tension that they

2:37:15often catch. You know,

2:37:16sometimes when people are

2:37:17frustrated, they are on the

2:37:18front lines of that frustration

2:37:21with builders or people who are

2:37:23doing things that that the

2:37:24process didn't, didn't quite

2:37:25work as well. So, uh, it is the

2:37:27council's intent, and it was

2:37:29the council's intent to hire

2:37:30someone like you. They put

2:37:31resources in task, Miss Jodie,

2:37:34and worried her for the last

2:37:3512, 13 months, uh, or more to,

2:37:39uh, to find a process that

2:37:40worked. Um, and that helps them

2:37:43work. And now that you've

2:37:43identified that, uh, that is

2:37:45the exact goal of the city

2:37:47council is to make sure that

2:37:48that they have the tools and

2:37:49the resources they need. Um,

2:37:52and, and so, you know, I wanted

2:37:54to clarify that this is, this

2:37:56is to, to make them more

2:37:58successful, not less. And the

2:38:00city council did not, uh, to my

2:38:02knowledge, deny uh, personnel

2:38:04requests from these departments

2:38:06as it was implied during the

2:38:08budget. All of them made

2:38:09request and and managers

2:38:11decided what made it us and

2:38:12what what didn't. So. But it's

2:38:13our goal to make sure that

2:38:14they're successful and they

2:38:15have equipment. They need

2:38:16computers that are working.

2:38:17Right. They need they need

2:38:18programs that are efficient.

2:38:20Uh, they need, um, the ability

2:38:22to make sure that the

2:38:23customers, um, are happy so

2:38:26that they don't complain to

2:38:27them or us. And so we know that

2:38:29they're doing a great job with

2:38:30what they have. But your

2:38:32recommendations tonight will

2:38:33help us to do it better. Is

2:38:34that right?

2:38:35Okay.

2:38:36Thank you. All right. So,

2:38:37Council, uh, we need official

2:38:39action to receive this report.

2:38:41Done. All right. Councilmember

2:38:42Davis.

2:38:43Yes, Mr. mayor, I move that we

2:38:44received a report from Barry

2:38:46Dunn.

2:38:46All right. It's a motion by

2:38:47Councillor Davis. Second.

2:38:49Jones. All right. Uh, Council

2:38:52will look to you for your votes

2:38:53to receive the Barry Dunn

2:38:55report.

2:38:57Thank you, ma'am. Thank you.

2:38:59Thank you ma'am. All right.

2:39:00Thank you, Miss Jody. Thank

2:39:02you. Development services team,

2:39:04thank you for your good work,

2:39:06Mr. Jason. Everybody. Thank you.

2:39:10Jason's birthday.

2:39:11Oh.

2:39:13No.

2:39:13He spent birthday with us

2:39:15today. You don't want Mayor Pro

2:39:17Tem singing to you, dude.

2:39:18Don't want that.

2:39:21This is a good enough birthday

2:39:22present for me.

2:39:23All right. Thank you. Thank you

2:39:25for your hard work.

2:39:26Man. Thank you.

2:39:28All right, so council moving

2:39:30to, uh, item 10.02. Um, who is.

2:39:35Mr. Mayor?

2:39:37Who do we have? Is it Chief

2:39:39Bryant? Mr. Hewitt, who is

2:39:41who's who presenting this.

2:39:43Mr. mayor?

2:39:44Chief. Yes, sir.

2:39:45I'd like to move 10.02 and

2:39:5011.1012. Monday's work session.

2:39:54All right, so that'll be a

2:39:56change to the agenda which

2:39:57needs a supermajority. Correct.

2:39:59Or we adopted the agenda

2:40:00already.

2:40:00He's basically moving the

2:40:02table.

2:40:02Table okay. All right. There's

2:40:03a motion by Councilmember

2:40:04Hondros. Do you want a separate

2:40:061101? That's just an

2:40:07administrative report. We don't

2:40:08normally vote on that, but you

2:40:10can do however you want to.

2:40:11Uh, we can do it separately. I

2:40:12move to, uh, uh, table 10.02 to

2:40:18Monday's this coming Mondays

2:40:19work session.

2:40:20All right. It's a motion by

2:40:21Council member Hondros. Is

2:40:22there a second for.

2:40:22That?

2:40:23Seconded by green. Discussion.

2:40:26All right, counselor, look to

2:40:27you for your vote. This is to

2:40:30table 10.02. All right. Motion

2:40:41fails. All right, chief.

2:40:49I might need to hit.

2:40:53You may.

2:40:54Need to hit your department.

2:40:55Excuse me.

2:40:56I'm just messing.

2:40:57With you guys. Okay,

2:40:58Mayor, city council, uh, city

2:41:01manager. staff and.

2:41:03Uh, citizens here. Uh,

2:41:05residents. Um, very brief

2:41:08slides here. We're about about

2:41:093 or 4 slides and, uh, what you

2:41:14see here are our current, uh,

2:41:17platforms that we are

2:41:18utilizing, uh, throughout the

2:41:20department are body worn

2:41:22cameras, fleet cameras, Taser

2:41:24ten fuses, interview rooms.

2:41:26These are these are all items

2:41:28that we're currently have. Um,

2:41:32the police currently using

2:41:33right now. And what you'll see.

2:41:38Is that we have the 2.1 that's

2:41:42already been approved by city

2:41:44council for our implementation

2:41:47of our Jonah's first responder,

2:41:49and you'll see, we also have a

2:41:51drone program and our virtual

2:41:54reality training, which will

2:41:56be, um, implementing this

2:41:59fiscal year. I will explain in

2:42:01terms of the drones first

2:42:02responder, as we know, um, just

2:42:05so that everybody is clear, the

2:42:07city of Fayetteville or the

2:42:08Fayetteville Police Department

2:42:09has been utilizing drones, uh,

2:42:12quite over the last almost 77

2:42:15years. So it's not anything

2:42:17new. It's just a newer platform

2:42:19where we'll be a little bit

2:42:20more efficient and we'll be

2:42:21able to deploy these throughout

2:42:23the city to render any

2:42:26particular assistance or aid or

2:42:28or anything such as that. The

2:42:30drone program that you see here

2:42:32is a new technology where we as

2:42:37police will be able to monitor

2:42:39any, uh, unauthorized drones

2:42:43that may be operating in the

2:42:45city as our concern in terms of

2:42:47we've already seen drones

2:42:49operating within the city

2:42:51without anyone knowing who is

2:42:53actually operating these, uh,

2:42:55these particular drones. So

2:42:57this will enable the police to

2:42:58be able to identify these

2:43:00individuals, especially in an

2:43:02area, secure area, or when we

2:43:04may have a special event. And

2:43:06we want to make sure that our

2:43:07areas are secure. So this will

2:43:09be able to provide us identity

2:43:13in terms of those drones that

2:43:14may be operating, um, without

2:43:17proper permits. And then also

2:43:20you'll see our virtual reality

2:43:22training is also part of this

2:43:24package where it provides, um,

2:43:27this virtual reality, uh,

2:43:30goggles, where officers will be

2:43:33able to train in de-escalation,

2:43:36um, uh, mental health crisis

2:43:38and several other scenarios

2:43:40that will prepare them to deal

2:43:42out there in the, in the, in

2:43:44the real environment. So as you

2:43:47see here, really, um, these are

2:43:49the three new, uh,

2:43:51implementations. And when we

2:43:53look at the overall package,

2:43:55what we're talking about is a

2:43:56bundle just like, and I'll,

2:43:58I'll make the analogy in terms

2:44:00of when you bundle your, your

2:44:02cable, your phone, your

2:44:05internet and your home phone,

2:44:07you'll get a bundle package. So

2:44:09if you see here, um, even

2:44:11though it's at 17.3 million

2:44:14over the course of just over

2:44:16six years, we're actually going

2:44:18to be saving almost $12.6

2:44:20million based on all these

2:44:22other, um, packages that we

2:44:24also are currently utilizing.

2:44:27And this also makes the city a

2:44:30little bit more efficient in

2:44:31terms of being able to predict

2:44:34and project our budgets for

2:44:36each additional year as we move

2:44:38on through, um, the next

2:44:40several fiscal years. Questions?

2:44:50Uh, don't see any, uh,

2:44:53counselor. Hold on, hold on.

2:44:54Councilman here, I got

2:44:55Councilman McMillan in here.

2:45:01Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, chief.

2:45:05Uh, have you heard of the term,

2:45:07uh, moving at the speed of

2:45:09trust?

2:45:10Yes, sir. I know very well that

2:45:12book. Yes, sir.

2:45:13Uh, beyond a book. Uh, uh,

2:45:16principle of leadership.

2:45:18Oftentimes, especially when you

2:45:20have community concerns. Um,

2:45:22you'd have I think all of us

2:45:24have seen the national debates

2:45:26over flock cameras, uh, over

2:45:29tech surveillance. I know that

2:45:31I've personally asked you and

2:45:33and the staff and the city

2:45:34manager for details on what

2:45:36surveillance infrastructure

2:45:38exists in Fayetteville. Um, in

2:45:41terms of moving at the speed of

2:45:43trust. Uh, we are at nine, 15,

2:45:46almost three hours into a

2:45:48meeting. We hear you talk for,

2:45:50I don't know, what's that? Five

2:45:51minutes, maybe five minutes

2:45:54about about, uh, $17 million

2:45:57expenditure, uh, that these

2:45:59citizens are going to have to

2:46:01have to stand behind. They're

2:46:02going to have to trust you on

2:46:04here about a drone. And I'm

2:46:06just reading the details of it,

2:46:08and I ask all of you to look it

2:46:09up, please. Um, and I'm hearing

2:46:12about a permit process and

2:46:15this, this term of unauthorized

2:46:17drones. Uh, can you explain

2:46:20what our current permitting

2:46:22process is for drones and and

2:46:25answer. Answer the question of

2:46:27if this will allow you and

2:46:29empower you. Uh, with without

2:46:33broad consent, to track all

2:46:35drones, uh, in the city.

2:46:39So in terms of, first of all,

2:46:42the there's state legislation

2:46:45in terms of, uh, operating in

2:46:47drones, you can't operate a

2:46:50drone in the space of someone's

2:46:52private, um, in their in their

2:46:55neighborhoods or in their

2:46:57residences without

2:46:58authorization. So part of this

2:47:01is to prevent, um, any

2:47:04individual we're not talking

2:47:06about police, but we're talking

2:47:07about any individual utilizing

2:47:09a drone flying over someone's

2:47:12residence. And we get those

2:47:14complaints. Then we'll be able

2:47:16to identify those individuals

2:47:18that are flying and utilizing

2:47:21drones in a surveillance manner

2:47:22that they shouldn't be. So

2:47:24that's what this is for. In

2:47:26order for us to be able to

2:47:28protect our residents in the

2:47:30city from those unauthorized

2:47:32use.

2:47:33So can you can you articulate

2:47:36what it gives you the power to

2:47:37do? Uh, in terms of monitoring

2:47:39all drones, uh, in

2:47:42Fayetteville.

2:47:42So whenever we have a special

2:47:45event and if there's a concern

2:47:48in terms of a drone being a

2:47:50threat in an area, we'll be

2:47:52able to identify that

2:47:53particular drone and where it's

2:47:55being, um, utilized for or

2:47:57utilized by and be able to at

2:48:00least identify that individual

2:48:02and deal with that individual.

2:48:03And my concern is that from

2:48:06what I'm reading this, this

2:48:07does give you the ability to

2:48:09track all drones, even, uh,

2:48:11even my, my four year old wants

2:48:14to fly a drone in a field that

2:48:16has nothing to do with the

2:48:18concerns that you have, uh,

2:48:19that you have around event

2:48:21space or, uh, public space.

2:48:24But, uh, I have concerns about

2:48:27that amount of power being

2:48:28authorized at nine, almost 920,

2:48:31after a three minute

2:48:33presentation. I think that's

2:48:35worth the deeper conversation.

2:48:36And I hope that I want to ask

2:48:37if you would consider coming

2:48:38back for a work session, uh,

2:48:40with more information so that

2:48:42we can truly move at the speed

2:48:44of trust.

2:48:44All right. So, Councilmember

2:48:46McMillan, uh, council has taken

2:48:48action on that request. So

2:48:49that's not don't put the chief

2:48:50in that situation.

2:48:51Councilmember here.

2:48:54Uh, thank you, mayor. I've

2:48:56always been curious. Uh, chief,

2:48:59when I saw the goggles, it sort

2:49:02of brought it back to my mind

2:49:04of what I was thinking.

2:49:05Whenever I try to use my little

2:49:06drone, I haven't learned to use

2:49:08mine, too.

2:49:08Well, yeah.

2:49:09Oh, Lord.

2:49:10That's kind of between me and

2:49:12my dog is sort of broken up a

2:49:15little. But when I saw the

2:49:17goggles. Tell me. Help me

2:49:20understand how far. Is the

2:49:26operator? When we sent a drone

2:49:30out to investigate a crime

2:49:35location, how far is he or she?

2:49:38Or where are they positioned?

2:49:40Because I've always wondered

2:49:41about how far it can be. So.

2:49:44So currently the the goggles

2:49:48doesn't. It's not.

2:49:49With.

2:49:49Part of. No, it's not part the

2:49:51the the goggles are actually

2:49:52just for training mechanism

2:49:54that we would put on an officer

2:49:57and they will just, you know,

2:49:58we'll put them in a room and

2:49:59they'll actually listen to the

2:50:01scenario and see the scenario

2:50:03and they act on and then they

2:50:04get evaluated based on those.

2:50:05Okay. So put the goggles to the

2:50:07side.

2:50:07Yes, sir.

2:50:07And give me a response on

2:50:10wherever the operator is of the

2:50:12drone. I've always wondered, at

2:50:14least within what we we do as

2:50:16well. You all do as it's a

2:50:17police department. Where is

2:50:20that person seated that sends

2:50:24the drone out? And how far can

2:50:25the drone go from the operator?

2:50:28So currently, uh, the way we

2:50:31have our patrol led drones,

2:50:33that's when we would deploy,

2:50:35would have an officer come to

2:50:36whatever the scene near the

2:50:38scene of the call, and they

2:50:40will deploy the drone from that

2:50:44vehicle. And then it's usually

2:50:46a line of sight where they'll

2:50:47actually be able to see the

2:50:48drone while they're operating.

2:50:50They will always have that. The

2:50:51difference is with the drone is

2:50:53first responder. That is a

2:50:55drone that will deploy

2:50:56ominously and then to that

2:50:58location. And it's usually

2:51:00we're looking at within 2 to 3

2:51:02minutes from the call out to be

2:51:04on site and have a, a, a

2:51:07situational awareness, and then

2:51:08call that back to the officer

2:51:11or to our nine one operator to

2:51:13at least give them an

2:51:13understanding of what is

2:51:14actually taking place. Uh, some

2:51:16of the drones, as first

2:51:18responders again, also have the

2:51:20ability, uh, once they arrive

2:51:22on scene, they can determine if

2:51:25there was actually any

2:51:26suspicious activity and then

2:51:28actually call away a call, you

2:51:30know, a vehicle from actually

2:51:32responding. So, um, there's

2:51:34there's many uses, but also

2:51:36we've utilized drones to

2:51:39locate, um, uh, a juvenile that

2:51:42was, uh, artistic and found

2:51:45them out in the woods and got

2:51:46them particular aid. So there's

2:51:48numerous uses for the drone

2:51:50and, and one of the things that

2:51:52I want to make sure we keep,

2:51:53um, keep forward on there is a

2:51:56drone this first responder,

2:51:58it's not surveillance. It is a

2:52:00drone. It's first responder. So

2:52:02it's just the same concept as

2:52:04an officer, as a fireman

2:52:07responding to the need or to a

2:52:10call.

2:52:10And that will be I'm just

2:52:14trying to remember from our

2:52:15last quarterly report, but if I

2:52:18can't remember correctly, that

2:52:21will be unless it's unless it

2:52:24already is. Start being a part

2:52:26of our quarterly reports. The

2:52:30support that we've received

2:52:33from using the drones.

2:52:35Yes, we'll have that also, but

2:52:37there will be a forward facing

2:52:39platform that the public can go

2:52:42and see the utilization of the

2:52:44drones on a daily basis. So it

2:52:48will be a very, you know, open

2:52:51and transparent method in order

2:52:54for our citizens to see what is

2:52:56actually taking place with our

2:52:57drones and every drone is

2:53:00recorded in terms of their

2:53:01action, there's there's not a

2:53:03drone that will be deployed

2:53:05without a specific reason and

2:53:08authorized reason to be

2:53:09deployed.

2:53:10In my last one.

2:53:11My last question, because it's

2:53:14very, you know, it's new and

2:53:15it's I'm curious about a lot of

2:53:17it. How how many presently do

2:53:19we have that we, we use, or

2:53:23will we be

2:53:24Getting additional that would

2:53:25be using how many.

2:53:26So the drones first responders

2:53:29we looking at five. But we

2:53:31currently have about 2025

2:53:35drones patrol LED drones

2:53:38currently.

2:53:38All right. Thank you. Thank you

2:53:40mayor.

2:53:40All right. Councilmember Jones.

2:53:42Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Quick

2:53:43question for the if you can put

2:53:45up the slide with the various

2:53:47um, I think it was like six,

2:53:49six items. Yes. That's it. Um,

2:53:51this may not be applicable to

2:53:52everything, but I want to put

2:53:54it up there as a visual for me.

2:53:55Uh, first, uh, for the drones.

2:53:58I know this is basically would

2:53:60be an an expansion. I know it's

2:54:02it's a little different. Uh,

2:54:04but with that was the option

2:54:07still there for. I don't want

2:54:09to say one year free, but the

2:54:11incentive for, uh, I think they

2:54:13were offering if this was the

2:54:15the same.

2:54:16No. No, sir, this is not the

2:54:17same company.

2:54:18Not. Okay. Got the answers

2:54:21that, uh, next. Um, can you

2:54:24speak to the provision relating

2:54:26to the budgetary aspect of

2:54:29that, that contract term? You

2:54:31said if it's not budgeted for a

2:54:33current year, could you just

2:54:36speak?

2:54:36Yes. So that in reference to

2:54:38what we're talking about, the

2:54:39non appropriation clause. Yes.

2:54:41Basically it states that if uh

2:54:44city council um chooses not to

2:54:47uh fund that particular, uh,

2:54:50uh, these devices, then they

2:54:53would, you know, that would be

2:54:54the clause to go ahead and get

2:54:55out of this particular

2:54:56contract. But but I would also

2:54:59just, you know, let you know in

2:55:01terms of a lot of these are

2:55:03part of that holding the police

2:55:05accountable, that transparency

2:55:07when we talk about body worn

2:55:09cameras, when we talk about

2:55:10citizens complaining and they

2:55:13have a complaint, now, we can

2:55:15go to that body worn camera

2:55:16footage and determine and

2:55:20investigate what that citizen

2:55:22complaint is. Um, when we talk

2:55:24about the fleet cameras, same

2:55:25thing where we can see the

2:55:27actions of those officers. So

2:55:29many of these things, even

2:55:30though years ago, when body

2:55:32worn cameras was a very

2:55:34controversial not only for the

2:55:36public but also the police

2:55:37officers, but now, as we've

2:55:40been many years utilizing that,

2:55:42we see the value of it, not

2:55:45just as police officers, but

2:55:46also the public, because you're

2:55:48able to see and hold that

2:55:50officer accountable for his or

2:55:52her actions. So it's a two way

2:55:55street in terms of that.

2:55:57All right. And then, uh, uh,

2:56:00and this may be something you

2:56:01may not be able to answer. Just

2:56:03curious as far as when these

2:56:05contracts were separate, do you

2:56:07know the average terms that

2:56:09they were? Uh, we were had been

2:56:11operating under like, like, was

2:56:13it three years, two years? Or

2:56:14was it.

2:56:15They varied 3 to 5 years. Um,

2:56:17with axon, they always had it

2:56:19said situated in in probably

2:56:22um, in a five year term so that

2:56:24it gives it makes it a little

2:56:25bit more affordable. Um, but

2:56:28also it provides refresh in

2:56:30between the year two and the

2:56:32year for so that you're

2:56:34constantly getting the, the

2:56:36latest technology and making

2:56:37sure that the, the department

2:56:40keeps up with the latest

2:56:41because this, this technology

2:56:43is always evolving, always

2:56:45evolving. So there's new

2:56:47features and everything else.

2:56:48So they'll be able to provide

2:56:49that as they um, as the year

2:56:52goes on.

2:56:53All right. Two other quick

2:56:53questions. I'll hurry, uh, with

2:56:56that. Um, the six year aspect,

2:56:59did they they approach us with

2:57:01that? And did they offer any

2:57:02other terms like three, four

2:57:05years or something like that?

2:57:06And and I know this is totally

2:57:08different. I'm thinking in line

2:57:09as of ShotSpotter and things of

2:57:11that nature, how they offered

2:57:12at least a three year option.

2:57:14And so I just wanted to

2:57:16inquire, was that even an

2:57:18option? And what was the the

2:57:20thought there thought process?

2:57:21If they approached us with it

2:57:23for six years? Of course, I

2:57:24know it's a lock in business. I

2:57:25mean, outside of that.

2:57:27Right? That I think they would

2:57:29do, uh, how many years? However

2:57:32months that we want to. But in

2:57:36reality, we're talking about

2:57:37what's affordable. It's just

2:57:38like when we finance a car, you

2:57:40can finance a car four years,

2:57:41five years, six years. If you

2:57:44finance your car at two years,

2:57:45you're going to pay a whole lot

2:57:46more than you're going to pay

2:57:47it. If you finance it at six

2:57:49years. So it's it's, you know,

2:57:51depends on how we want to be

2:57:53able to do it. And so this,

2:57:55this particular contract gives

2:57:57us an opportunity to be able to

2:58:00stay within a certain range and

2:58:03be able to meet the needs of

2:58:05the department.

2:58:06All right. My last question is

2:58:08two and one. Uh, how long are

2:58:11images saved and where is it

2:58:13saved? Do we own those servers

2:58:15or are we paying for them to

2:58:17hold on to it? And I know that

2:58:18may vary. And then I wanted to

2:58:20ask, have you ever had any,

2:58:23like, public requests for for

2:58:26information? I know it may not

2:58:27be able to be obtained, but how

2:58:28is this outlook?

2:58:29So by North Carolina General

2:58:31Statutes, it's authorized to

2:58:32stay in the system up to 90

2:58:35days, and then it's purged.

2:58:37All right. And we we own those

2:58:40servers. That is that is saved

2:58:42on.

2:58:42Yes. With our evidence comm

2:58:44with everything that we have.

2:58:46Yes. Gotcha. Then the last

2:58:47question and this was brought

2:58:48up by some folks in my

2:58:50district, uh, in regards to

2:58:52public requests, uh, being

2:58:54handled, there were some issues

2:58:55with it. I know across the

2:58:57nation with what that looks

2:58:60like. So can you explain what

2:59:01that actually does look like

2:59:03here? Like if someone said,

2:59:04hey, can we request images of

2:59:06something of something? So I

2:59:08just want to put it out because

2:59:09that's what was asked of me.

2:59:10Some folks in my.

2:59:12Video, all our body warned they

2:59:14have to be, uh, is court

2:59:16authorized, so it has to be

2:59:18authorized by a judge to be

2:59:19released.

2:59:20All right, all right. Thank

2:59:21you, Mr. Mayor.

2:59:22All right, chief, can you put

2:59:24back up that slide again? All

2:59:26right. So. But no.

2:59:28Uh, yeah.

2:59:29So the.

2:59:30The green.

2:59:31One.

2:59:31Okay.

2:59:32Yes.

2:59:32All right. So although it was

2:59:35mentioned tonight that this was

2:59:36a three minute conversation,

2:59:38how many times it sort of only

2:59:39add on here is the drone first

2:59:42responder. Right. That's

2:59:42correct. So we've had body worn

2:59:43cameras since 2013. In fact it

2:59:46was recommended by the Justice

2:59:48Department for transparency

2:59:50purposes that we do it. And we

2:59:51were one of the they call chief

2:59:52Madlock up to DC. Uh, gave him

2:59:54an award for being one of the

2:59:56city's two who stepped out on

2:59:57transparency to get body worn

2:59:59cameras. So that's been over a

3:00:01decade, right? Correct. And,

3:00:03um, the fleet camera, same

3:00:06thing. They're, you know,

3:00:07putting them in the car so that

3:00:09you can see and hear real time

3:00:10with the officers doing or not

3:00:12doing, uh, protects him and the

3:00:14public from being able to see

3:00:15what's happening. And so all of

3:00:17these things, but the drone

3:00:19first responder component, uh,

3:00:22during budget time, when you

3:00:23talked about this, all 10 or 12

3:00:25of those meetings or how many

3:00:26of them we had, uh, did you

3:00:28have a discussion with Council

3:00:30about drone first responder

3:00:31program.

3:00:32Since the day I got hired, I've

3:00:33been told by dry.

3:00:34So it's not a it's not a three

3:00:36minute, it's a replay. But you

3:00:37know, oftentimes, you know,

3:00:39there's a lot of soundbites

3:00:41that's being given. Now I want

3:00:42to ask you something. Um,

3:00:44what's the difference between

3:00:45our homicide rate now and last

3:00:48year?

3:00:49Well, according to the last

3:00:50quarter, we're talking about

3:00:51we're about 47, I want to say

3:00:5446%, um, less in terms of this

3:00:57last past quarter.

3:00:58So almost a 50% decrease in.

3:01:0054% incidents. Yes.

3:01:02Correct. So so we heard from,

3:01:04uh, Director Jones tonight

3:01:06who's doing an outstanding job,

3:01:08who told us about the impact

3:01:09that his his team is making.

3:01:11Um, but public safety consists

3:01:13of ox, SFPD and fire

3:01:18department. That's great. You

3:01:19all work in concert.

3:01:20That's correct.

3:01:21And but as a result of what

3:01:22you're doing together, all of

3:01:24your good work together, we're

3:01:26experiencing almost a 50%

3:01:28decline. And what's your

3:01:30clearance rate? Meaning how

3:01:33many arrests have been made for

3:01:35those unfortunate events? A

3:01:36homicide has happened.

3:01:37We're at 100% clearance rate.

3:01:40100%.

3:01:41100%, and we have multiple,

3:01:43multiple examples of success

3:01:46stories in terms of the

3:01:48utilization of the drones and

3:01:51and our cameras and LP's to

3:01:53demonstrate how we're able to

3:01:56successfully, uh, detain and

3:01:58arrest suspects in violent

3:02:00crimes that has occurred across

3:02:02the city.

3:02:02So including a few months ago

3:02:05when, um, there were three

3:02:07ladies who were at grocery

3:02:09stores, I think a couple food

3:02:10lines and a Hardee's that on a

3:02:12Sunday morning got a couple of

3:02:13them got shot in the face. But

3:02:15within a reasonable amount of

3:02:17time, some of this technology

3:02:18helped you.

3:02:19Every bit of this technology

3:02:20helped us. As a matter of fact,

3:02:22just the incident that occurred

3:02:23this weekend. So.

3:02:25So in the interest of if we

3:02:27want to say for community what

3:02:28it sounds like between the

3:02:29three departments of Oaks, FPD

3:02:33and the fire department, you

3:02:35all are obtaining that

3:02:36objective because of the tools

3:02:38that you need. Like Director

3:02:39Jones said he needed, uh, tools

3:02:42in his department to be

3:02:43successful. He needed to make

3:02:44hires, and he needed resources.

3:02:45You need resources. This is the

3:02:47request. But the evidence is in

3:02:51the numbers that you have a

3:02:52safer community with that. And

3:02:54so, you know, I would I would

3:02:56care to say what I've heard

3:02:57during this conversation. You

3:03:00know, someone said that four

3:03:01year old my colleague said it's

3:03:02four year old can fly drone.

3:03:03Lord knows we don't need DJ

3:03:05operating on a drone. Uh, with

3:03:07his goggles. But the police

3:03:09department doesn't need a drone

3:03:12to keep the community safe. So

3:03:14a four year old, uh, I don't

3:03:16want to give you an age. Uh,

3:03:19um, but but a senior.

3:03:21Uh, okay.

3:03:23Yeah.

3:03:25Um, but but not but not the

3:03:27police. And so, um, you know, I

3:03:29just wanted to kind of bring

3:03:30those things out, but 100%

3:03:33clearance, 50% reduction. So I

3:03:36would say, um, thank you for

3:03:37that. And then the attorney,

3:03:38madam attorney, I'll call on

3:03:40you real quick. Um, so chief

3:03:43said that he took a longer term

3:03:45contract not to impact our cash

3:03:47flow. And plus, you saved,

3:03:48what, 12 million.

3:03:5013.6 million.

3:03:51But any legislative body has an

3:03:54out to a contract because they

3:03:55can simply not appropriate the

3:03:57budget. Is that correct? Most

3:03:59contracts include.

3:04:00That. It's not that simple,

3:04:03Miracleman. But we do have the

3:04:05provision in our contracts to

3:04:06say if the governing body does

3:04:08not appropriate the funds, then

3:04:09you can terminate the contract

3:04:11without penalty. Um.

3:04:15So you get the savings, you get

3:04:17a longer term and you still

3:04:19have the power to to terminate.

3:04:21If the body chose to do that or

3:04:23not fund it. Rather, correct.

3:04:25All right. Thank you, Chief

3:04:27Councilmember Green. Oh, I'm

3:04:28sorry, mayor Pro Tem and

3:04:30Councilmember Green.

3:04:30Mr. Mayor, you hit all my

3:04:32points. I was going to say you

3:04:33can go to Councilwoman Green.

3:04:34Councilwoman green.

3:04:41I ask a lot of questions around

3:04:44the $17 million upstairs. I'm

3:04:48still having the same issues

3:04:50downstairs that I questioned

3:04:52upstairs. Um, I understand what

3:04:57you answered both times. Um,

3:05:01around, um, the contract itself

3:05:06and around bundling them

3:05:07together. We all understand.

3:05:09Bundling. I don't understand

3:05:136.25 years. Um, and why it

3:05:17needs to go that length of

3:05:18time. Although I did just hear

3:05:20the mayor summarize in his way.

3:05:23Um, what he believes it's

3:05:25about, um, but I appreciate

3:05:30Councilmember Jones is

3:05:31questioning because it was

3:05:33along the same lines that I

3:05:35questioned. And and I really

3:05:37don't understand why we were

3:05:39not given the information that

3:05:42involved one year or three

3:05:44years to six year, because I

3:05:47think at this point, it's

3:05:49relatively apparent that I'm

3:05:50going to ask that question

3:05:52every time. I don't think I've

3:05:54failed to ask a question around

3:05:56a budget number at any meeting

3:05:58where it was a large amount of

3:05:59money. So I would just

3:06:01appreciate staff making that

3:06:03effort. When I say and ask the

3:06:06same type of questions every

3:06:07time when we're dealing with

3:06:09contracts, nothing against you,

3:06:11just it. If you know somebody

3:06:14does something in a consistent

3:06:16manner, you try to help that

3:06:17move forward in the easiest way

3:06:19possible. And every bit of

3:06:21doubt I had, Mike could have

3:06:22been answered before. I'm

3:06:23sitting up here and asking

3:06:26those questions. So thank you,

3:06:28Council Member Jones, for

3:06:30asking all the questions. I

3:06:32don't I don't know that you can

3:06:34add anything to what you've

3:06:35added, but I just really would

3:06:37like to understand why we

3:06:38couldn't get a three year

3:06:40snapshot. So that's that's what

3:06:42I'd like to have seen.

3:06:45All right. Councilmember

3:06:47McMillan second round.

3:06:48Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. If

3:06:50Fayetteville is smarter than I

3:06:52think this council, this

3:06:53leadership is given, it's given

3:06:55a credit to be, uh, they're

3:06:57starting to see that if you

3:06:59really want a bad decision, if

3:07:01you want a rush decision, uh,

3:07:03you sent it to council on a

3:07:05night like this, and you get

3:07:07the same result. We've been

3:07:08getting on a lot of things. If

3:07:10the the moratorium on data

3:07:11centers have not, has not shown

3:07:13y'all that that's very clear

3:07:15and evident at this point. I

3:07:17just want to say, when we're

3:07:18talking about this holistic

3:07:21idea of what it takes to to

3:07:23decrease crime, if you look at

3:07:24the numbers, we have a budget

3:07:27of $327 million, 23% of that is

3:07:33already allocated to the police

3:07:34department. We're asking for 17

3:07:36more to be committed on a three

3:07:38minute, three minute

3:07:39presentation. Uh, you compare

3:07:41that to the Oaks, .06 7% of our

3:07:44budget. So it's not holistic.

3:07:46It's not even close. And it

3:07:49doesn't make sense to continue

3:07:50to throw money, uh, without

3:07:52examination at programs like

3:07:54this. And disappointed that

3:07:56that would even be attempted.

3:07:57Uh, talk about accountability

3:07:59and layers of it. We already

3:08:01talked about the nine pillars

3:08:02of tech security. That is an

3:08:05opportunity that we have before

3:08:07we sign this contract, uh, to

3:08:09look at specification of use

3:08:10policies and procedures, data

3:08:12minimization, performance

3:08:14evaluation, data retention and

3:08:16use bias and accuracy

3:08:18assessment, litigation and risk

3:08:20assessments. Those are the

3:08:21things that the the

3:08:22International Association of

3:08:24Chiefs of Police recommended to

3:08:26the United States years ago,

3:08:28and something we still don't

3:08:30have. The leadership, the moral

3:08:31leadership and foresight to put

3:08:33in place before signing or

3:08:35considering a contract like

3:08:37this. That nine pillar

3:08:39assessment is still on the

3:08:40table for this council. It will

3:08:42be the smart and responsible

3:08:43way to make an assessment prior

3:08:45to signing this, uh, I wanted

3:08:47to wanted to note that and

3:08:48still want to urge the council

3:08:49to reject this tonight and then

3:08:52come back at a at a time when

3:08:53we can really consider all that

3:08:55we're signing up for, and then

3:08:57also consider what the the

3:08:58community thinks about this.

3:09:00This is also being presented

3:09:02with no opportunity for

3:09:04feedback from the community. We

3:09:05got this on Thursday. Y'all

3:09:07probably learned about it on

3:09:08this weekend. And you're here.

3:09:09And I appreciate everybody

3:09:10that's shown up in concern. I

3:09:13think we will regret it if we

3:09:14make an agreement to push

3:09:16forward on this tonight.

3:09:17All right. So, Mayor Pro.

3:09:19Tem, thank you. I was ready to

3:09:20make a motion, Mr. Mayor.

3:09:21All right. So I need to clean

3:09:23up something on the second

3:09:24round because, uh, my colleague

3:09:26there, uh, I don't know. Is

3:09:27that your comments or

3:09:28blueprints? But, um, the

3:09:30question is, he's on the

3:09:32record, and there's minutes

3:09:34where you've had this very

3:09:35discussion in multiple

3:09:37meetings, including budget

3:09:38meetings and work sessions. So

3:09:39this is not the first time this

3:09:41has been heard. You are now

3:09:42coming back with the contract

3:09:44that we all voted for or

3:09:47against. Uh. during budget

3:09:49season, the budget just became

3:09:51affect July the 1st, uh, just

3:09:53before the break. And so anyone

3:09:56that wants to review it, there

3:09:57are minutes available.

3:09:58Transparency, uh, can see the

3:10:00comments that have happened on

3:10:01the discussions that have been

3:10:03had about this and how many

3:10:04people are in your your

3:10:06department.

3:10:07Roughly over 600.

3:10:08And how many people in OCS? I

3:10:10think he just hired additional

3:10:11force or what, six people?

3:10:13Eight. Eight people. So it's

3:10:14not going to have the same

3:10:15equivalence to the budget. They

3:10:17don't do the same thing.

3:10:18They had to fight for.

3:10:19Vehicles, fire trucks, fire

3:10:21trucks cause $4 million. Fire

3:10:24trucks cost $4 million. But

3:10:27what Director Jones needs to be

3:10:29successful is not a $4 million

3:10:30fire truck. So he asks for the

3:10:32things he need and personnel he

3:10:33needs. So you can't compare the

3:10:34budgets without looking at it.

3:10:37And what the things and the

3:10:38personnel that it requires to

3:10:39do it. So percentages won't get

3:10:41it. Uh, and and you're right,

3:10:43they are smarter than that. So,

3:10:45Mayor Pro Tem, I'll.

3:10:46Go to you. Thank you, Mr.

3:10:47Mayor. Mr. mayor, I move that

3:10:48we approve the contract and

3:10:52authorize the city manager to

3:10:53execute the contract.

3:10:54All right. Motion by Mayor Pro

3:10:56tem. Second by here. Uh,

3:10:57Council had discussion. Council

3:10:59look to you for your.

3:11:00Vote.

3:11:10All right. Who we miss. And,

3:11:11Madam Clerk. All right. Motion

3:11:14carries six, four. All right.

3:11:16Councilmember Hondros, you

3:11:17wanted to send out.

3:11:18Him?

3:11:19Uh.

3:11:20Yes, sir. 11. Uh.

3:11:2610.0.

3:11:27111.01 I believe.

3:11:30To the red light camera.

3:11:31Yes, sir.

3:11:32All right. Y'all have something

3:11:33else you want.

3:11:33To go do? I did, Mr. Mayor. I

3:11:34don't know if the October work

3:11:36session is comparable because,

3:11:39uh, October work session might

3:11:41be kind of full.

3:11:42Might be.

3:11:43You remember.

3:11:44Have a good night, sir.

3:11:45I'll see myself out. Yeah,

3:11:46don't worry about it.

3:11:47All right, all right. Sir.

3:11:48I was saying November October's

3:11:50work session might be kind of

3:11:51full. It's all right to amend

3:11:52it to the November work session.

3:11:55Could this. take effect until

3:11:57July 27th.

3:11:58For 11.01?

3:11:59Right.

3:12:00I'm good with November.

3:12:01Okay.

3:12:01All right, all right. So

3:12:03council look to you for, uh,

3:12:04motion to adjourn. Mr. Manager.

3:12:06You got that.

3:12:09November work session for

3:12:1111.01.

3:12:12All right.

3:12:14Motion you.

3:12:14Two to go.

3:12:15You want oh two to go to a work

3:12:17session. You have to send it

3:12:18there. Do you want it? You want

3:12:20to send I'm asking do you want.

3:12:24No. Do you want to go to a work

3:12:26session okay. So 11.01 and two

3:12:29okay Mr. Manager, you got it.

3:12:31All right, counselor, look to

3:12:33you.

3:12:33Some of.

3:12:33All right.

3:12:37Yes.

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