2026-10-19 - Board of Commissioners

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  • Evening meeting called to order with an invocation and pledge; the agenda was approved 4-0.
  • Public comment centered on the Solid Waste Hauler Contracts franchise bids: representatives of GFL, Republic Services, Meridian Waste and Anchor Disposal, plus residents, spoke. GFL said it was the apparent low bidder for area 3 at $32.50 a month; Republic cited a blended $31.50 for areas 1 and 2 and about $1.4 million in savings over five years; an Anchor representative disputed the comparison, saying only about 27% of residents buy recycling so Anchor is low on actual subscriptions, and compared the county's franchise structure unfavorably with Forsyth County's.
  • A written comment alleged a lack of transparency in library committee appointments (Library Advisory Committee Appointments). The county rescue unit's president asked for a county-wide service district costing roughly $7 a year for an average property owner (Rescue Unit County-Wide Service District). A resident asked about the old Western Electric property, which commissioners said is under city and Army Corps of Engineers cleanup oversight.
  • The consent agenda was approved 4-0.
  • A public hearing on the 2027 Schedule of Values drew no comment; staff will bring it back November 2 for adoption and advertising (2027 Property Revaluation).
  • The second vote on the solid waste ordinance's hardship exemption (an opt-out for residents with service or health problems with their assigned hauler) passed 3-1; the dissenter said he had opposed it the first time.
  • On first reading, 4-0, the board followed staff's recommendation to award franchise areas 1 and 2 to Republic Services and area 3 to GFL Environmental, with rates locked for the first two years of a five-year contract. A second reading and notice of award are set for November 2, with service due to start January 1, 2027.
  • The county manager announced the finance staff's GFOA Triple Crown award. Commissioners reiterated support for the rescue unit (the county pays about $100,000 a year in debt service on its boat and $125,000 in operating support) and are discussing municipal contributions rather than a tax rate increase. The meeting adjourned 4-0.

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00:48Alamance County is pleased to present the  Alamance County Commissioners Meeting.

00:57We're going to call the meeting to  order. And tonight, uh, Commissioner,

01:03uh, Powell is in charge of the invocation and  the pledge of allegiance. Miss Powell's prayer.

01:12Our most gracious heavenly Father, we thank you  for all the many blessings that you have bestowed

01:18upon us and for the opportunity to live as a  free and independent people. Direct us, oh Lord,

01:26in all we say and do and may our actions glorify  your holy name. Please guide and direct us in the

01:33manner that is pleasing in your sight. Christ's  name we pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. Please stand.

01:42I pledge allegiance to the flag of the  United States of America and to the republic

01:49for which it stands, one nation under God,  indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

01:56[clears throat]

02:01And I need a motion to approve the agenda. So  moved. I need a second. Second. All those in

02:06favor? Aye. Aye. 4-0. Now we're moving to public  comments. Uh you have 3 minutes to address the

02:15board. Uh you will be timed. When the timer goes  off, please finish the sentence that you're on

02:21as long as it's not a paragraph. [laughter] And  return to your seat. And the first person to

02:28speak is Jeff Yuzapwitz. That's me. Okay.  Speak a little slower also. [laughter]

02:39Hey, I'm Southern. I speak fast. Hello  everybody. I'm Jeff Yuzapwitz and I live

02:45at 1580 Graceland and Drive. Uh I just got some  information um you [snorts] know, regarding this

02:54this uh contract regarding uh waste and I just  want to I really don't know all the details

03:00about it and uh you know, the money aspect  and how long the contract is and like I said,

03:06I'm coming in a little little late on it. But what  I will tell you is I I use I'm right in the county

03:13and I use Republic and uh for 12, 13 years.  But I what I what I would like to say is

03:22they do a pretty good job and uh when there's  a problem, I call and they pick up the phone.

03:31A lot of places don't pick up the phone. [clears  throat] And another time uh truck came out.

03:39Nobody's perfect. Hydraulic fluid got sprayed all  over my macadam in the front. Picked up the phone.

03:45I called somebody talked to me and guess what?  Somebody came out there with a power washer

03:50without begging and pleading to do So, anyway, I  just want to throw that you know, throw that in

03:57there and and you know, they'll they'll Lately,  I haven't been getting up too too early. They'll

04:02call at 8:00 in the morning or I shouldn't  say that, maybe 7:00 or something like that.

04:06You'll get the impression I sleep real late.  But, um and and they will let you know, "Hey,

04:12we're going to be late. We're going to 6 hours or  12 hours or whatever it's going to be the next day

04:17for whatever reason." So, anyway, I just wanted  to mention that. And just on a little side note,

04:22and this is really just more of a question and  it's not really on the docket here. But, I do have

04:28interest in it cuz I, you know, I I have interest  in it for various reasons. The old Graham Hopedale

04:34property, Western Electric over there. I was just  curious as to where that's going. You don't have

04:38to answer that tonight if if you're busy with this  other activity. But, but you know, some of those

04:43buildings are real are a mess. But, there's one in  particular I know in the back that could certainly

04:49be reused and it might be reused right now and I  don't know about it. So, anyway, that's all I want

04:55to talk about tonight and uh that's it, folks.  Thank you. Norma Yancey. Yes, ma'am. Right there.

05:05[clears throat]

05:11Good evening, everyone. My name is Norma  Yanez. I'm Government Contracts Manager for

05:16Waste Industries LLC doing business as GFL  Environmental. We are the current franchise

05:21provider for franchise area number three. In  August, we participated in the county's RFP for

05:27residential household garbage and recycled  material collection and delivery service.

05:32We responded to every question asked by the RFP  and included the requested 500,000 bond letter

05:38and a copy of our certificate of insurance  naming the county as additional insured.

05:43We only bid on our current franchise area number  three. We had real issues whether or not we could

05:48we would be able to identify the other 8,500 homes  in areas one and two, set up their accounts, and

05:55deliver carts to people that we did not know the  addresses for by January 1 of 2027. We have seen

06:02this scenario in other areas before with limited  time amount of time, and the tran- transitions

06:08have not been pretty. We did not want to take  a chance with our reputation for service trans-

06:13sitions, nor do we want to be liable for all the  new penalties in the new franchise agreement.

06:18There will surely be issues and surely be  penalties if these franchises awarded to

06:22anyone else. We were the apparent combined lowest  cost trash and recyclable rate for franchise area

06:29number three at $32.50 per month for trash and  recycle service. The next lowest was Anchor,

06:36who was still $2.15 more than us. Then Meridian  was $3.09 more than than us. Carolina Trash was

06:45$3.25 more than than us. And then Waste Pro, $5.94  and Liberty, $6.50 more. It was reported at one of

06:53the previous meetings that in the last 9 months  there there had only been three service issues

06:58from both companies um combined called Republic  and GFL combined called into your staff,

07:06and the issues had been resolved. That should  demonstrate our service capability. Additionally,

07:11three of your local municipalities, Green Level,  Burlington, and Elon, this past spring extended

07:16our residential service contracts a year early.  They actually expire next year, but extended them

07:22early because of our service and our relationship.  This is also a testimony to our local quality of

07:28service. All the proposals were reviewed by your  committee comprised of purchasing and solid waste

07:33and recycling staff. They recommended that GFL  should be awarded franchise area number three.

07:38We would like the commissioners to follow the  recommendation of your employees and vote that

07:43franchise area number three be awarded to GFL.  Thank you so much. Thank you. Shane Walker.

07:59Good evening. Distinguished chair commissioners.  Thank you for the opportunity to speak. Like

08:05Norma, I'm with Republic. I'm the area president.  I've been with Republic for 31 years all here in

08:10the Carolinas. For the past 22 years, Republic  has had the honor of serving Alamance in the other

08:16two zones. We've treated this partnership as an  ongoing job interview. And as your staff reported,

08:22we have consistently performed at a high  level for the county and its residents.

08:26We respect the county's responsibility to solicit  competitive offers. In the RFP process, our job is

08:31to make your decision as clear and straightforward  as possible. And that's what we tried to do.

08:36Assuming the key questions you were trying to  arrive at were price and service, our proposal

08:41offered the lower lowest price. Our 22-year record  of service demonstrates our reliability. And your

08:48staff reached the same conclusion and recommended  that Republic be awarded that agreement.

08:53I'm here tonight because I'd like to highlight  a few additional ways Republic creates value

08:57and reinforce your confidence in choosing us.  Our proposal had a shift in pricing, which was

09:03a deliberate effort for us to support our shared  sustainability goals. We incentivize recycling,

09:09which extends the life of your landfill,  advances environmental responsibility,

09:14and simply is the right thing to do. We are not  just a trash company, we are an environmental

09:18solutions provider. Republic has invested heavily  in this area. It continues to innovate to provide

09:24greater value to our customers. Our local  infrastructure is second to none. We have

09:29the recycle center, we have a transfer station,  we have a landfill, we have a hauling company,

09:34and we have an environmental solutions location  all in this market. Together, these assets,

09:39like I said, are second to none and enable us to  provide turnkey solution for the county's needs

09:44along with an a backup solution in the  event that your landfill has a problem.

09:49Also, we have a network of divisions across the  Carolinas that can support Alamance in the event

09:54we had an issue. We have offices in Raleigh,  Winston, Troy, Hickory, Statesville, Charlotte

09:59that all can provide trucks and people in the  event that there's an interruption like COVID.

10:05Never any interruptions in service. Just  in case we needed someone, we could pull

10:08from somewhere else. Our other innovation  investments include 360° cameras on our trucks

10:14to keep our fleet in your community safe. We have  track my truck capabilities. Your residents can

10:19see where the truck is. Um and then we also are  an invest investing in artificial intelligence

10:26to help us optimize our routes, increase  efficiency, and we pass those savings on

10:31to the county in our proposal. So, [snorts]  in closing, I am asking the commissioners to

10:36respectfully affirm your staff's recommendation  and mine that you renew your contract with us.

10:43Our drivers, techs, managers, supervisors, they're  part of your community. They've been doing this

10:47for 22 years here. They care about you. They  care about your constituents. And we'd we'd love

10:52the opportunity to continue to serve you. Thank  you. Thank you. 15 seconds to speak. [laughter]

11:00I'm going to kill this name. Spradlin?  Spradlin, yes, ma'am. Oh. Yeah.

11:12Good evening, Chair and Commissioners. My  name is Brandon Spradlin, and like Shane,

11:16I'm work with Republic Services. I'm the local  general manager based out of the Greensboro

11:20market. Truly appreciate the opportunity to speak  with you tonight. More importantly, as Shane also

11:26said, I appreciate the relationship that we've  had with Alamance County for more than 22 years.

11:32One of the things that we believe most strongly  in at Republic is that we have a responsibility

11:36to the communities that we live in and we work  in. For us, that means more than just picking

11:40up the trash and recycling. It means investing in  our people and means investing in organizations

11:46and the communities we serve in. You know, one  thing that I'm particularly proud about as it

11:50relates to our relationship with Alamance County  is our support of Alcovets and the work that they

11:55do for the veterans here in Alamance County.  Supporting veterans is something that connects

11:59closely with who we are as an organization and  who we are locally. Specifically, we have 21

12:05veterans that work for us in our local business  unit and that's a part of the 5,000 veterans

12:10that are strong at Republic Services, which  represents more than 10% of our total workforce.

12:15When we hire these individuals, we recommend to  them and they can see that the that their service,

12:20the same sense of pride that they had when  they served their country, aligns with their

12:24ability to serve their local communities  as well. You know, that commitment extends

12:29to our to the people, you know, directly beyond,  excuse me, Alamance County. As Shane said, we have

12:35team members who don't just work here, they live  here. Nine of our local employees live in Alamance

12:39County. They're your neighbors. They shop here,  they raise families here, they pay taxes here,

12:44and have a personal stake in the quality of  service that we are were able to provide.

12:49Our commitment is not just reflected in our  people. It's reflected in what we continue to

12:52invest in this company. Shane named a number  of investments we've made, but I want to

12:57highlight a few others. So, we currently have  17 vehicles dedicated to servicing the county,

13:01including seven trucks that are less than two  years old. We've already placed an order for three

13:05additional trucks to help service the county in  2027. Those investments aren't just numbers on our

13:10balance sheet. They reflect our commitment again  to making sure that our team members have what

13:14they need to serve your residents. For more than  22 years, we've had the privilege of servicing

13:20this county. You know, we don't take that history  or that responsibility for granted. We don't take

13:24it lightly. You know, we value the partnership  that we've built with Alamance County. We value

13:28the trust that your residents have given to us and  we want to make sure that we can continue earning

13:32that trust. We're incredibly proud of the 22 years  that's behind us, but more importantly, we're

13:38looking forward to the opportunity to continue to  serve Alamance County for decades to come. Again,

13:42thank you for your time and my recommendation  is well and and my strong encouragement is that

13:47you take the recommendation of your staff.  Thank you very much. Thank you. Chris Ewing.

13:56Okay, good evening and thank you for the  opportunity to speak here tonight. Um

14:01I'm a commercial construction superintendent  and I generate a lot of trash in this county and

14:07throughout state. And I've been using Coble,  which is now Meridian, for many many years

14:13and they have never let me down. Um a gentleman  said when you make a phone call, someone answers,

14:19well, same thing here. Uh they do great,  never let me down, service is phenomenal.

14:26Um About 10 years ago, I took a chance on and I'm  glad I did because I haven't looked back since.

14:33They they just been a great company and  uh I don't plan on using anybody else.

14:38The service is constant consistently  reliable, efficient, and professional.

14:43Uh they're honest when they make a mistake and  they make up for it. They don't hide from it.

14:49Uh when I uh call their office, it's always  pleasant voice on the phone. Um they're a local

14:57company. Uh they have people in the community.  They are your neighbors, are your friends.

15:03Um they they live together, you shop together,  everything and they care about this community. Uh

15:10this weekend they're having a big Halloween event.  I think some flowers get passed around tonight and

15:14I hope everybody comes out to it. I'm coming to  it and I'm looking forward to it very much. Um

15:23What them uh uh reliable and what residents really  need. And I hope this isn't a political thing uh

15:31because politics don't take out the  trash. Um garbage collection affect

15:37affects every household regardless of  age, income, or political affiliation.

15:42At the end of the day, residents want three basic  things. They want their garbage picked up on time,

15:46property left clean, and a fair and reasonable  rate. We have probably all learned at some point

15:52in time that settling on the lower price doesn't  always mean that you get what you pay for.

15:58Saving a few dollars up front sometimes  causes more frustration than anything.

16:03Uh recycling is also important uh consideration,  but for the residents who choose to subscribe,

16:09it represents an additional cost of  approximately $9 to $15 per month. Uh

16:13we should consider that in in costing a alongside  the core service residents depends on every week.

16:21My recommendations to the county is I encourage  you guys to use Meridian. Um considering uh

16:29one franchise area to each uh the  top three qualified companies.

16:37Let Let reliability, customer service, and  accountability, and overall value determine who

16:42earns your com- community's trust. Uh ultimately,  the residents of Alamance County are the winners

16:48if they use Meridian. In closing, I just  like to say uh I believe we should choose

16:55our providers based on their people. Um people is  everything. And uh I just wanted to uh [laughter]

17:08Thank you. Kevin Owens.

17:10[clears throat]

17:24Good evening. My name's Kevin Owens. I'm a lane  manager for the Robin Sage military exercise

17:30that's conducted across North Carolina. Um I I um

17:34large portion of the lane I'm on is in Alamance  County. [snorts] Uh for those that don't know,

17:38Robin Sage is the culmination exercise for Green  Berets that are training to to serve our country.

17:45Um it's the final stage of of 2 years or plus  of training. By the time they get to Robin Sage,

17:52so um that there there's a lot riding on it.  Uh it's their final opportunity to demonstrate

17:58their skills and professionalism  required to earn the Green Beret.

18:02The success of Robin Sage is heavily dependent  on the support from the local communities.

18:08Um among that that community partners that we  have, Meridian Waste have gone above and beyond

18:14in their support. Every location that we use,  uh we require a formal land use agreement

18:20with the property owner. These agreements are  entirely voluntary, and property owners receive

18:26no financial compensation. [clears throat] Um  their support is simply a reflection of their

18:31commitment to helping our military and the  next generation of special forces soldiers.

18:37Uh the agreement we maintain with Meridian Waste  encompasses nine separate properties totaling over

18:42400 acres. These properties provide a wide variety  of training environments including wooded terrain,

18:48uh open fields, residential structures,  and more. Uh having these properties um

18:55provides realistic training for for warfighters.  Um These properties have enabled the students to

19:03conduct missions missions ranging from raids  and ambushes to link-ups and hostage rescue.

19:09In addition, Meridian Waste has supported  the exercise in numerous other ways,

19:13including assisting with assisting with  movement and logistical requirements,

19:18and even making up vehicles available  if needed. Time and again they've

19:22demonstrated an exceptional willingness to help  and support our mission in every way conceivable.

19:27Meridian Waste exemplified the spirit of community  partnership that makes Robin Sage possible.

19:33Their generosity, patriotism, and unwavering  support have had an impact on the training and

19:39development of future Green Berets. It is  my sincere request that you grant Meridian

19:44Waste a franchise to serve the citizens  of Alamance County. Thank you. Thank you.

19:52Kent Coble

20:12I am Kent Coble. I live on Foster Store Road  and have lived there all of my life. [snorts] I

20:19am living sight of Tri County Landfill. I also own  a farm right across the drive the entrance to Tri

20:28County Landfill. I had several people or companies  that was interested in buying the landfill before

20:39it became Tri County Landfill. And for some reason  there was some reason that I couldn't get together

20:47with any of them. And I got a phone call from  Meridian. Met with them, probably talked to them

20:55for 2 hours. They were pretty impressive. In fact,  after the meeting said they would get back with me

21:02in a couple weeks if that was possible. And uh, I  told my wife, I said, "I hope we can get together

21:08with those folks. I like them." And it so happens  that we did. And I'm going to tell you, I hit a

21:16home run when I sold it Lamb Field to Meridian.  They do a job that I could never do. They, uh,

21:25it's amazing at what they have done. Um, they  stay in compliance with the state. And not only

21:35do they stay in compliance, they overdo it. Just  for example, they probably put two to three times

21:43the cover on the Lamb Field than is required from  the state. And they do everything that way. And

21:50equipment, they don't spend thousands of dollars,  they have spent millions of dollars on equipment.

21:57And, to our neighbors, they will do whatever it  takes to keep them happy. Um, they also have, uh,

22:08I believe it was mentioned a while ago, a couple  events a year. And, uh, they're pretty proud of

22:15their Lamb Field. They, uh, have hay rides  for anybody that will and take them over the

22:22Lamb Field and have an employee to sit there and  answer any questions that anybody has. And, um,

22:30when I sold, the word got out that I was selling,  I had, uh, two daughters that worked for me.

22:40Uh, they thought that they would probably be  looking for a job, but Meridian kept them. Uh,

22:48they're making a lot more money and they're a lot  happier than they were when they worked for me.

22:54And, uh, I couldn't do what they do. And, uh,

22:58that they do that with all the employees.  That's the reason they have good truck drivers,

23:04they have good landfill employees, they  pay them well, and they treat them well.

23:10And I was concerned with who they were going  to send down to manage the landfill. Um

23:18they couldn't have sent a person that would have  blended into our community more than the manager

23:24of the landfill. And my wife and I consider  him as a good friend. I don't see a lot of him

23:33because he does the same as I do, and he works  7 days a week a lot of times and long hours.

23:40But I hope they never take him away. Um  your time's up. And [cough] [clears throat]

23:48I hope Your time's up. that y'all will  see Time's up. Yes, sir. Sorry. [laughter]

23:58Katie Device?

24:03Good evening. Um I do have a handout, so do you  mind if I bring these up? No, ma'am. [snorts]

24:14I'm actually reading um a comment from  Rachel Stimpson. Uh so this is her comment.

24:20Good evening. First, I want to thank Katie  for reading my comments. Um I could not

24:23attend tonight because my daughter's team is in  the playoffs, and my family always comes first.

24:28Ironically, my family is also why I became such  a strong advocate for our public libraries.

24:34We have been ardent library users and  supporters. My children participated

24:38in summer reading programs and library  activities, used the take-home crafts and

24:43online resources during COVID, and continue  to love reading and learning as teenagers.

24:48At the last commissioner's meeting, I raised  concerns about library committee appointments

24:52and the lack of transparency in the process. These  concerns were dismissed, and one commissioner um

24:58suggested we were making this political. The truth  is this became political through your own actions.

25:04I distributed a timeline documenting uh statements  and appointments that raised these concerns.

25:09Two current library committee members have been  featured in local news for their ideological

25:14viewpoints. When Cheryl Sanford was appointed,  Commissioner Carter described her as an activist

25:19who wanted to be involved. Yet the library bylaws  state that trustees should be committed to serving

25:25as active stewards of the library's growth and  success. At the June Commissioners meeting,

25:29Ms. Sanford encouraged cutting library funding.  While she is entitled to her personal opinions,

25:34advocating cuts uh raises serious questions about  whether she's fulfilling the that responsibility.

25:41Commissioner Priola stated at a library committee  meeting that he chooses individuals who uh

25:45values align with his, suggesting there may  be some horse trading among commissioners.

25:51When personal values take precedence  over the bylaws, transparency,

25:55and service to all Alamance County residents,  the appointment process becomes political.

26:00The same concerns apply to the stickers placed  on library materials. They began in response to

26:05the political views of two library uh committee  members and initially targeted LGBTQIA+ books.

26:12Only after public outcry were they  changed to parental guidance stickers.

26:16Although commissioners have said access is not  being restricted, restricting access was discussed

26:21as an option by members you appointed. I care care  deeply about your about the public library and the

26:27good it does for the community. Our library  serves everyone and its leadership should

26:32reflect that responsibility. Finally, I have not  contacted any of you privately, but I will say

26:38publicly that I would like to serve on the library  committee when the annex appointments are made.

26:43If personal connections and shared values are  influencing appointments, I am making my entrance

26:48interest known through the same public  process available to everyone. Thank you.

26:56Thank you, Robin Lee.

26:58[clears throat]

27:06Good evening. Uh my name is Robin Lee and I  reside at 2121 Summers Avenue in Burlington.

27:11Currently, I serve as the president of the Board  of Directors of Alamance County Rescue Unit. As

27:15you're aware, Chief Mauldin and I have been making  the rounds of the county to the municipalities

27:19to garner support for our eventual request to  you for a county-wide service district. To date,

27:25we've received resolutions from both small and  large municipalities and we have a few more to go.

27:31This also includes letters of support from  municipal and county fire departments.

27:36Last week, I read an effort our effort  referred to as a scheme in the Alamance News,

27:41but it's actually codified under North  Carolina General Statute 153A-302 and

27:46310. [snorts] -302 outlines four requirements  for setting up a service district. Number one,

27:54there must be a demonstrable need for providing  rescue services within the district. Number two,

27:59it is impossible or impractical to provide  those services on a county-wide basis otherwise.

28:05Number three, there must be a demonstrable demand  for the proposed services by individuals residing

28:11within the district. And number four, it must  be economically feasible to provide the proposed

28:16provide the proposed services within the  district without unreasonable or burdensome

28:21annual tax levies. Our proposal would cost the  average tax average property owner $7 per year.

28:29This $7 provides Alamance County [clears  throat] from Altamahaw to Snow Camp and

28:35everywhere in between with rapid response to  emergencies outside the scope of fire and EMS.

28:41Emergencies that our volunteers train hundreds  of hours for to be able to provide when the call

28:47comes. [snorts] Additionally, the Alamance News  article asserts that nonprofit organizations

28:52should not be supported by county tax dollars, but  many, if not all, of our county fire departments

28:58are organized as 501c3s. This allows  us and them, among other things,

29:03to purchase equipment and apparatus in a  tax-exempt fashion. As a taxpayer myself, I paid

29:11Burlington city taxes and Alamance county taxes  on both my home and my business. I appreciate

29:16your diligence in keeping our tax rates low. I  can't tell you that there's going to be a good

29:21time to ask taxpayers for more money. There never  is. All I can provide to you is a good reason.

29:27An Alamance in rescue at a cost of $7 per year is  a good reason. Thank you. Thank you. In Rebounds.

29:48[cough]

29:49Good evening, commissioners. My name is  In Rebounds. I live at 3450 Izzard Drive.

29:53I've come to talk to you tonight about the the  waste contracts. I've been in this county all

29:58of my life, so uh I've had dealings with  all three of these people, Republican uh

30:05uh Shear Waste Industries and  GFL. I'm currently with GFL.

30:12I have never had any issues with any of these  companies. They've been a uh a long time

30:20provider to this county. They have done a They  have done a good job. They have provided service

30:26when nobody else would provide the service. I see  no reason to change uh from these contracts to

30:34new people when we have good, reliable people  in place. One of my concerns was also was if

30:42for instance if GFA lost their contract on  the residential with the state as commercial.

30:49I'm I'm on the commercial side with dumpsters.  [gasps] That's one concern I had and also uh if um

30:58Meridian is allowed to do one of these  contracts, where are they going to

31:04uh base their trucks? It's going to be more  trucks going on Foster Store Road than already is.

31:10You know, that's our community and I'd appreciate  you taking that into consideration as well.

31:16I have never had an issue with GFA or Republic.  I have called them, you know, "You didn't pick my

31:24dumpster up. I'm sorry. We had a truck issue or we  had a driver issue, but we will be there today."

31:31Anything that I've ever called them about  uh on a complaint, they've always responded.

31:37Everyone has issues at at  some point or time, I'm sure,

31:42but I see no sense in changing in changing  this if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

31:51Thank you. Chris Wilson.

32:02Good evening, commissioners. My name is Chris  Wilson. I'm the Municipal Services Manager for

32:06Republic Services. I previously spoken to you  as a group and individually to many of you.

32:12Tonight, I want to speak about the indisputable  facts of the solid waste and recycling collection

32:16RFP process and the services Republic  has provided to the county. Republic

32:21has a long-standing partnership with Alamance  County extending over 22 years. We employ many

32:27county residents who live here, shop here, send  their children to school here, pay taxes here.

32:33Additionally, we are heavily involved in the  community community donating thousands to worthy

32:37causes such as Alkavets, the local support group  for veterans. County staff and the members of the

32:43board I have spoken to have acknowledged very few  complaints with Republic. The facts are clear.

32:49The county released an RFP for solid waste and  recycling services on July 31st of this year.

32:54Seven companies responded to the RFP. The  evaluation committee comprised of the county's

33:00solid waste director, assistant solid waste  director, and the county purchasing manager

33:05unanimously recommended Republic Services for  areas one and two based on the following criteria:

33:12price, experience and past performance, resources  consisting of manpower, equipment and ability,

33:19credentials, and financial stature. I want to  remind you that these are the very people the

33:24county has hired and entrusted with running  the county's landfill and solid waste and

33:29recycling department. They're the county's paid  professionals and the true subject matter experts.

33:35In addition to our overall proposal, Republic  Services provided the lowest collective rate

33:39for solid waste and recycling services by far.  The blended monthly rates provided for solid waste

33:45and recycling services for areas one and two,  from highest to lowest, Liberty Waste $41,

33:52Waste Pro $38.44, Carolina Trash $37.25,  Meridian Waste $36.47, Anchor Disposal $34.55,

34:02Republic Services $31.50. When compared to  the competition, Republic's proposal offers

34:08the most cost-effective solution for the county.  Our proposed rates for solid waste and recycling

34:14services are more than $3 per home lower than  the next lowest proposal in areas one and two.

34:21Over the five-year contract, those savings  could translate into approximately $1.4 million

34:27in cost savings. The Alamance County Board of  Commissioners has consistently demonstrated a

34:32commitment to financial responsibility. Most of  you are currently running on a campaign platform

34:39for protecting the taxpayers dollars. Awarding  this contract to Republic Services the most

34:43financially responsible thing to do. Thank you.  Thank you. Tim Herman First of all, good evening.

35:00Good evening. Chair Commissioners, Tim Herman  with Waypoint Waste Consulting. I represent Anchor

35:06Disposal and also advise Carolina Trash. You have  a handout from me. Republic and GFL's argument is

35:13a combo meal. In area two, Anchor's burger, the  trash part part is $17.55. Republic's is 22.

35:23Republic's fries the recycling is $9.50.  Anchor's is 16.50. Add them together

35:31and Republic's combo wins. The problem is only 27%  of the residents in Alamance County buy the combo.

35:40You go with that deal with either Republic or  GFL, 73% of your residents are going to pay more

35:47because they don't buy the recycling 100%  of the time. Matter of fact, they buy it 27%

35:52those are your staff's numbers. Count it the  way the residents actually buy the service

35:57on the county's own subscriber list that they  provided, Anchor's the low bid in area one,

36:02area two, and area three. It's not close. It's  $206,000 a year based on how people currently

36:09buy the service. It's a million dollars a year.  Republic just said, if you go with Republic's

36:15new low rate, you'll save $1.4 million. That's a  true statement. If you go with Anchor, you'll save

36:21another million on top of that. Or put another  way, don't go with Anchor and your residents are

36:26going to pay another million dollars more than  they don't need to pay over the 5-year term.

36:31Compare this process with Forsyth County.  Forsyth County is the one county out of your 15

36:36neighboring counties that has a franchise contract  somewhat similar to yours. For the record, the

36:40other 14 don't have one at all. Ms. Carter, last  month you directed staff to call the neighboring

36:46counties and ask them what their program was. We  did that. We have the names, the phone numbers,

36:50and contacts for every single one of them.  14 of them don't have a program at all,

36:55like Forsyth or Alamance. So, you have to  ask the question, why are you doing this?

37:01Forsyth doesn't regulate recycling at all. It says  recycling won't influence staff recommendations.

37:07Forsyth's term is 2 years, not five. Forsyth uses  three providers, and in Forsyth, a subscriber can

37:13cancel at any time. [gasps] Forsyth County has an  RFP out right now. You can read it for yourself.

37:19Bids are due the end of October. You can see  for yourself compared to what you're doing here.

37:23There's only two counties out of 15 that have a  program, you and Forsyth. Go ahead and compare.

37:29In the In Forsyth County, a subscriber can cancel  any of their their three uh providers at any time.

37:38In Alamance County, staff wrote up a program where  if you want to cancel service with GFL Republic,

37:45you've got to write it down three times.  Republic and GFL then get a chance on all three

37:51to cause and cure, fix the problem. If they  don't fix the problem, then staff may may not

37:58actually allow the resident to find another  hauler. This is absurd. Who Who does this?

38:05Which customer is going to have to say,  "I have to write the county three times

38:10about a provider that they didn't  pick, and they'd like to fire?"

38:14Pick whatever program you want, Anchor will take  it. Thank you. Next, we have Chrissa Jackson

38:29I'll let them the last two finish.

38:37My name is Chrissa Jackson and my family and  I have been residents of Alamance County for

38:41over 30 years. As a mother of one, I  am asking you to consider what matters

38:47most to the families and residents you serve.  Reliable garbage collection, quality service,

38:53and company and a company that generally invests  in our community. While a 99 cent difference in

38:59monthly rates may look good on paper, I believe  dependable service and the overall value of of a

39:05company brings to our community are worth far  more than a few cents. Honestly, I can hardly

39:10think of anything 99 cent buys me at a grocery  store these days, but I can certainly appreciate

39:16the value of a clean new garbage cart that doesn't  smell or squeak every time I roll it to the curb.

39:21From what I understand, this bidding process  has already resulted in lower rates and that and

39:27what residents are currently paying, meaning  savings are already being achieved. I encourage

39:32you to look beyond a small difference in monthly  cost and consider the bigger picture. Service,

39:37reliability, customer experience, and community  involvement. My family and I lived our previous

39:43at our previous residence for more than 10 years,  just down the road from Meridian Waste Landfill,

39:48and we still attend the many community events  they host there. These events have given my family

39:55wonderful memories, laughter, and opportunities  to connect with our community. As a parent, I

40:00truly appreciate a company that goes beyond simply  providing a service and makes a genuine effort to

40:07keep give back to local families. The memories  we have made through these events are priceless

40:13and that kind of the community involvement  deserves to be recognized. Respectfully encourage

40:19respectfully encourage you to recognize the  value Meridian Waste brings to Alamance County

40:24both through its ability to provide dependable  service and its investment in our community.

40:29I ask that you award Meridian Waste a franchise  area and consider the long-term benefits to

40:33residents rather than making this decision based  on a difference of less than a dollar per month.

40:38After more than 30 years in Alamance  County, I care deeply about our community

40:42and the services available to its residents. I  hope you will consider value Meridian Waste offers

40:48and make a decision that puts reliable  service and community commitment first.

40:54Thank you for your time, your service to Alamance  County and your consideration of the residents who

40:59depend on you to make the best decision for  our community. Thank you. Philip Boswell.

41:04[clears throat]

41:12Good afternoon. My name's Philip Boswell. I don't  usually want to speak in front of a group of

41:16people, but the garbage contract is a little  silly to me. Prices have been reduced to the

41:22whole county and the difference between the top  qualified companies is 27 cent to 99 cent a home.

41:28The difference won't make or break the  bank. But when it's this close, I look

41:35I look at what I get for the money I'm  spending. If I can buy just a new car

41:39for $1 a month versus a used car,  everyone knows the right financial

41:44and common sense decision is to buy a new car. You  get better technology, improved safety measures,

41:50significantly less maintenance and  headaches, and just a better looking vehicle.

41:54Why is this decision so tough? Be fair,  award equally, and let the best company

41:59prove who deserves to earn more of the county's  business down the road. Thank you. Thank you.

42:09Next we have the commissioner's  comments in response and try to hold

42:13it to 3 minutes if possible. Commissioner Carter.

42:19Um somebody made a comment about the Graham  Hopedale property. I'm presuming you meant the um

42:29the Western Electric facility. That  is correct. That's Burlington city

42:33the county. I will tell you I've been involved  in that from the time I first got on the board

42:39pushing trying to get it cleaned up, but since  then it's been taken over by the city and by the

42:45Army Corps of Engineers. So you would need  to check with them. I don't know if anybody

42:49in the county right now that has any or  insight in it than that. Thank you. Um

42:57a lot of interesting information on trash. Who  could imagine, right? Um some of this information

43:06I just got this afternoon. Actually two pieces of  information. One from Meridian and one from uh uh

43:15part what's that one? Waste Industries

43:21Anchor. Um

43:26I think it begs for taking a hard look  at the way we do these contracts at the

43:31time we come up with a renewal the  next time and make sure that we uh

43:37take all these issues into consideration to make  all of the different pieces work to the benefit

43:42of our citizens. I like the idea of being able  to walk away whenever you want to walk away. Um

43:52I think we came up with something  we thought might work at the time.

43:56Got a lot of new pieces of information tonight.

43:59Uh the problem we're running into I think is  that we've got a real crunch issue on when this

44:06whole process has to finalize to get everything  in place for our citizens by January the 1st. So,

44:15I don't know where we'll go.  We'll figure it out tonight.

44:19Uh I'll go next. Um actually, um to the lady  that spoke, I did not speak to Steven Squires,

44:26one of the other commissioners did. I did talk  to Mayor Hooks um because uh Steven Squires has

44:34a master's degree in library science and is a  retired librarian and his uh application was

44:39not brought forward. Uh but his comment was, and  I don't know how this got confused, was ultimately

44:47the final decision rests with the commissioners.  And because he's read the contract between us.

44:53Also, I attended an update about Western Electric.  Um the Army Corps of Engineers is still working

44:59on the cleanup. I have noticed they're doing  something in the parking lot across the street

45:04because I come by that way a lot. I have no idea  what that is. And I agree with Commissioner Carter

45:10that you need to call uh Burlington our city of  Burlington and they'll tell you just call and

45:16ask her that you have a question of what's going  on. It was my understanding it's going to take a

45:20little while to finish the cleanup. That is a huge  facility plus it has huge underground tunnels with

45:27it. I also have toured uh Meridian. Um it is a  great area. It was clean. It was spotless. I went

45:35out for their kids fishing day and everyone just  enjoyed themselves immensely. This is a wonderful

45:41group and a wonderful family and the people that  are running this um are very caring. I know they

45:47had an issue about a truck leaving and uh trash  being blown out of it and they immediately the two

45:54women working there went out and picked up all the  trash along the roadway and are making sure now

45:59that the trucks are covered. Um so they responded  immediately to that problem. Um, and I do know

46:07that, you know, they are very involved with the  community and they do really help the community.

46:12And as Commissioner Carter said, it is really  a time crunch to get everything in place and

46:17ready to go without an interruption in recycling  and trash pickup. Commissioner Powell? Yes. Um,

46:26well, I'd like to start off the Elements  Rescue Unit made a request to consider

46:31countywide service district and I hope we're as  we go into next year, the funding for that, um,

46:39I think, you know, we we have to take a serious  look at that. Um, I think that Elements, uh,

46:46rescue needs additional funds and, um,  we're I look forward to, uh, what staff

46:54will recommend for that. Um, but I support  very much what the rescue unit's doing. Um,

47:04for the uh, franchise for the  for the trash, um, pickup, um,

47:13I think we've got some really good firms that  are, uh, wanting to provide that service.

47:23Uh, staff came in and they set this up. Uh, we  have three districts in the county. It's been

47:28divided into three large districts and uh, then  we received bids for each of those districts.

47:36Um, and we went through a process, uh, that was  designed to, um, to pick a, um, franchisee for

47:47each one of those districts. And, um, staff has  made a recommendation and I'm not sure how we

47:58how I really feel about it, but I I'd love to  see all three firms or there's now Anchor too,

48:04you know, there well, there was what, seven in the  beginning? Right. Um, I'd like to see them all get

48:09a portion of that, but I think what we want to do  is we want to have a contract that is economic.

48:16Uh, for for these uh, providers. And um, I think  that's what is designed in the system that we've

48:23got right now. So, um, I I'd love to see uh, it  divided up further, but uh, it may be that um,

48:32that we we need to take staff  recommendation. Commissioner Thompson. Um,

48:41fortunately, I was invited out to Lake Conroe  the other well, the other month about um, a mock

48:46scenario of a family uh, whose boat overturned  in on the lake. And um, I was sitting with the

48:53coordinator and just could hear all the radio  going back and forth. And it was as real as if

48:57it had have been real. It's absolutely amazing.  Especially when these drones flew over my head.

49:02And um, rescue unit's kind of like anything  else. You don't realize how important it is till

49:08you have a major cluster and then you realize  how important it is. We lost two lives in

49:12Derryl Shantal and we had to bring in eight other  crews to help with what we've got and they didn't

49:17stop 24/7. I I mean, every time you turn around  it comes up on a your Facebook what happened a

49:23year ago and I look at Shantal and the church  is finally in and it's looking beautiful, but

49:29I mean, it's it just it tore us up. It was just a  nightmare. And I'm for anything to supporting um,

49:36these guys and these women because  um, it's kind of like, you know,

49:41we're real quick to say something about addiction  until we have a family member. We say something

49:48about domestic violence until we have a family  member. And fortunately, with everything that

49:52happens in this world, we're going to have a  family member because it's just the way it is.

49:56And we need to make sure that these agencies are  treated with just as much respect like our rural

50:02fire departments. They Everybody in the county  helped put out the fire at my father's former

50:07warehouse at Eli Whitney. I never seen anything  like it. And um I got to thank them the other week

50:11when we were at the service awards and they run to  it just like you guys do. And I really thank you.

50:18The rescue unit was valued enough to pay all that  money for that big green monster that's in your

50:24garage. Surely the rest of your agency is. So um  we need to really realize that um just because

50:32we don't have a Shantel every other week, that  mean we don't need a rescue unit because there's

50:36always going to be a need for first responders.  And everyone that works that business needs to

50:41be highly respected. You know, you can see  what sometimes you have to wear. We just

50:46Huh. We just had a young man to come back here,  24 years old, lost his life in fire. And I'm glad

50:52everybody really honored him and put him way up  there because they needed to. And there's always

50:56going to be something. The shooting at Oregon.  I mean, it's just never ends. So um however,

51:02we got to be careful with what we don't deem as  worthy as a department because they're all really

51:07departments cuz they all serve every citizen in  this county. So I appreciate what you do. Okay.

51:16Um next I need approval of the  consent agenda. Motion to approve.

51:21Second. All those in favor? Aye. That's four  zero. Okay. Next we have a public hearing. Um

51:33that is about the uh schedule of values that Mr.  Fowler I think's going to present. Mr. Fowler.

51:58Good evening members of the board. Nothing really  for me to present other than just to open up or

52:02have you all open up the public hearing for  the 2027 schedule. After at the conclusion of

52:08the public comments, I would ask that the board  bring this on November the 2nd to that meeting

52:13for adoption of the schedule and then it will be  advertised after that accordingly. Okay. Thank

52:18you. I need a motion to open the public hearing.  So moved. Second. All those in favor? Aye.

52:24Aye. 4-0. Aye. Okay. We did not have anyone sign  up to make a comment during this public hearing.

52:34About the schedule of the values  that is with the re-evaluation

52:42that is still going on with the county right  now. So, I guess we'll just go ahead and

52:50take a motion to close the public hearing.  Motion to close the public hearing. Second.

52:55All those in favor? Aye. Aye. 4-0. All right. 4-0  and the other presentations and other businesses,

53:02the revised solid waste management and recycling  ordinance second reading. Rick Stevens.

53:09Thank you, board. So, what I really need tonight  are potentially two things. I need a second vote

53:16on the change that we made at the last meeting  to the solid waste ordinance to allow for the

53:22hardship exemption that we had spoken about  before. We voted on that the last meeting and

53:27because it was not a unanimous vote, it has to be  voted again at this meeting. So, I would suggest

53:32that we tackle that issue first. Vote the same  ordinance once again and we'll move on from there.

53:42Okay. you Sorry, Kelly. Can you just kind of  say exactly what that is? Sure. So, the hardship

53:48exemption we added gives an opt-out provision  for folks who have issues with the vendor that's

53:54assigned to the franchise district they live  in. So, if there are issues related to service,

53:59quality, or or pick up, or um uh physical health  of the person who might be involved in the pick

54:06up, uh it gives them the ability to talk to our  folks at Solid Waste uh start a process by which

54:12they can get an opt-out, and then it's line up  somebody else of their choice who's also licensed

54:18to do waste pick up in the county, either another  franchisee from another district or somebody else

54:24an independent third-party vendor that we  would vet who would actually do that pick up

54:28for that person. We've gotten some individualized  complaints from people who don't like whichever

54:33franchise vendor they're assigned, and they've  asked for a way out, and so this was drafted

54:39as a way to do that if they can uh basically  articulate a claim. Mhm. What happens if I don't

54:50if there's not a service provider? For example,  if you're in one district and the service provider

54:56I think Republic got the two districts in  the north and GFL's in the south, I believe.

55:01So, if you're in the south and GFL and you  want to opt out, somebody's got to drive a

55:05truck all the way from the northern district  from Republic or from any other provider

55:11into that district and pick up for one one  client. Right. There has to be a willingness

55:15by someone to actually provide the service.  Um and and we can't stipulate that someone

55:21would necessarily be willing to do that. People  always have the option for self-service. So,

55:25none of this eliminates the option for  folks to haul their own garbage, but

55:30uh we certainly can't mandate that  someone else provide the service.

55:36Do you have any questions about  I'll make a motion that we uh

55:44approve the hardship exemption. Second. All those  in favor? Say aye. Aye. I didn't support it the

55:54first time, so I'll stick with my vote. Okay.  3-1. So, now that we've passed that on the second

56:00reading, um most of the conversation tonight  has been as to the award of the franchises.

56:06Um I I've drafted an ordinance that would allow  for that tonight. Um and then we'd have to have

56:12a second reading to to do that as well. So,  um I would suggest that based on what you've

56:19heard from some of the speakers tonight, um  there's going to be a pretty healthy ramp-up

56:24requirement for providing service, especially for  any new providers. Um certainly our incumbents

56:30have already got some things in place, but if any  new provider is selected, they're going to need

56:34some lead time to actually accomplish the goal of  starting to provide service by January 1st. So, I

56:41would urge the board to consider adopting uh some  sort of franchise tonight as the first reading,

56:48and selecting the people to provide it.  [snorts] [clears throat] Any comments?

56:58Is this where you make a motion? Yeah. Yep. Okay.

57:01I'm going to make a motion to go with the uh  recommend um [clears throat] contract with GFL and

57:09We do have a couple of slides if you'd like for  staff to present them. And one of the slides

57:14shows up um displays the three districts as a  visual, um but it is it is in your packet if

57:21you would like us to share those, we can.  If you're ready to go ahead and vote. Yes,

57:26I don't think we I think we've all seen the three  districts Okay. they're talking about, and that

57:31we've all reviewed the maps Okay. on that. Uh,  did you want to see if there's a slide? Is there

57:37Is there four slides? I just don't know if there's  any All right. if anything subsequent Let me see.

57:50What your Your motion was to go  with staff recommendation. Yeah.

57:53What Chris and them recommended? And I'm  sorry. To go with the staff recommendations.

58:00Okay. All right. Do I need to have a second on  that? Mhm. Or did you have a comment or question?

58:07No, I'm just thinking that [laughter]  It's a hard decision. It really is.

58:15I think we're all somewhat conflicted,  but I can I I This is a tough one. Mhm. Um

58:22Some of the information we got,  we just got this afternoon, so

58:28it doesn't really help with the with the uh  time frame termination date on the contracts.

58:36Doesn't give us a lot of room to  try a lot of wiggle room to try and

58:44It does. Okay. Is I'm sorry. Yeah. I just  like to say I I'd like to see us have um

58:58They They comp Yeah, the competition is  good. So, you can have three different

59:04or four different or seven different, but we  had a process that we went through and that's

59:11what's bothering me is is we went through  that process and we came up with the

59:16staff recommendation for uh two of the  franchisees. On the variety of issues

59:23that were weighted in the process, it wasn't  all about rate. Rate was an important factor,

59:30but I think it was 20%. Am I correct? I would  have to ask Mr. Gus and to address that. 20%

59:38I mean, you had other factors, experience.  And I've said this before, we've

59:45had very few negative comments about either  of the two providers we have currently. So,

59:51uh and the one ones I've gotten have been  remediated rapidly by the providers. So, Can

1:00:00we have staff just give us their recommendation?  Yeah, Christie, you want to come up to the podium?

1:00:06[clears throat]

1:00:13Do we have the slide deck or

1:00:17That's okay. I'll be brief. I know um you've heard  from our department the last two uh meetings and

1:00:24now third and I just want to reiterate a couple  of things tonight, revisit a couple of things. Um

1:00:31I think you all are familiar with the service map  that we have. Um it is broken out into the three

1:00:38districts as as was mentioned. So, area one is  um everything north of Highway 62. Um area two is

1:00:48everything to the east of the Haw River. And area  three is the southern portion of the county. Um

1:00:57Of the total population and households, we  have currently 13,000 subscribers for trash,

1:01:033,500 subscribers for recycle. Um as you know,  staff recommended area one to Republic Services,

1:01:14area two to Republic Services, and  area three to GFL Environmental.

1:01:22Uh it Should should you take our recommendation  and give a word franchises to both Republic

1:01:29and GFL, um there would be a cost  savings from current pricing to the

1:01:34resident uh in area one, a total of $7.18.  Area two, $7.18. And area three, $5.09.

1:01:47This pricing would be locked in for the  first 2 years of the 5-year contract.

1:01:57Uh there's been some mention about the timing  um and the timing that would be needed for a

1:02:03transition to a new provider. Um there are there  are two things that need to occur. We need to

1:02:12amend the ordinance, as was stated, and then have  two separate meetings on the franchise agreement.

1:02:19Uh staff would recommend tonight that we would  take up the ordinance amendment for a final time

1:02:30and take up a first reading of the  franchise agreement as we have recommended

1:02:37with a second reading on November  2nd and a notice of award to follow.

1:02:47Thank you.

1:02:51We have a motion before us and Commissioner  Thompson, you want to add um the November 2nd?

1:02:56Beg pardon? I was asking her did she want to add  to her motion the November 2nd uh for the second

1:03:05reading. It's fine with me. Okay. All right.  I need a second on that. Motions on the floor.

1:03:19All second the motion. Okay, all those  in favor signify by saying "I". I. I.

1:03:28I. Okay, 4-0. Second reading will be on November  the 2nd if that's in compliance with everyone.

1:03:36Thank you. Y'all have that written ordinance  document prepared and ready for the next meeting.

1:03:42Um but just to make sure that I'm clear,  this is adopting the staff recommendation

1:03:47of Republican GFL as the two providers. Thank  you. Yes. Okay, and the county attorney's report?

1:03:55Nothing further for me. Thank you. Okay, county  manager's report? I have an award to share with

1:04:01the board that Elbert County has received. It is  from the Government Finance Officers Association.

1:04:08They call it the Triple Crown Award. It's  awarded to our finance and our budget staff

1:04:14because it's actually three awards in one. They're  receiving the certificate of certificate of

1:04:20achievement for excellence in financial reporting,  the distinguished budget presentation award,

1:04:26and the popular annual financial reporting  award for fiscal year ending in 2024.

1:04:34So, I wanted to extend congratulations to our  staff on receiving that. They do a great job and

1:04:40they Absolutely. They do. As far as I'm concerned,  all the staff does an excellent job. Excuse me,

1:04:44I wanted to show you something. [laughter] We  will probably display this out in the hallway

1:04:50where we have our other government finance  award. Shall I hand it to you? [laughter]

1:04:56Thank you. That's all I have. That's all you have?  Yes. Okay, we have the commissioner's comments.

1:05:01We'll start Commissioner Thompson. Before you have  a heart attack, I have no comments. [laughter]

1:05:06Well, I wasn't going to have a heart attack. I  would like to what, ma'am? So, before y'all have

1:05:09a heart attack, I have no comments. Well, we were  going to comment. Have you heard something about

1:05:14the end time yet? [laughter] I will say if you  have a chance to go see Daniel the fiery furnace,

1:05:20oh my gosh, go see it. Commissioner Powell? I have  no further comments. Okay. Commissioner Carter?

1:05:29I have no further comments. And the only thing  I was going to say is that I wanted to reiterate

1:05:34what was said about the Alamance County rescue.  They are the only certified swift water rescue

1:05:40in Alamance County and they ran 63 swift water  rescues the night of Shonda. And we do pay a

1:05:48$100,000 debt service for the big green machine.  I think we have 10 or 12 more years left on that

1:05:54approximately. Is that about right Susan or is  it a little more? Less than 10. Less than 10.

1:06:0010 year, okay. All right and we  also give you know $125,000 a year

1:06:08but when you consider $225,000 and you're trying  to service someone 24/7 that's not a lot of money

1:06:17and as a lot of people know a lot of volunteerism  is sort of dying and going to the wayside and so

1:06:23you just about have to pay everyone who's going  to work for you plus a lot of firefighters work

1:06:29extra jobs because they don't make a whole  lot of money and they're working extra jobs to

1:06:35to support their families and to have extra items  that they can offer to their family. So y'all do a

1:06:41great job and we are very appreciative for what  you do and our employees do a great job too.

1:06:47All right, if nothing else. I do have one other  comment. I have had some conversations with

1:06:52or have initiated some conversations  with some of the municipal municipalities

1:06:58in response to the rescue squad request for the  fire district and talking about maybe getting some

1:07:05financial support from the municipalities  as opposed to having to raise a financial

1:07:10or raise a tax rate. Getting corresponding

1:07:15financial support such as we give the count  from the county maybe from the municipalities.

1:07:23Okay. And the and the response has  been favorable. Mhm. They have.

1:07:28Yeah, I've also brought that up  to a couple of them and they seem

1:07:32open to that. All right, if there's nothing  else, I'll accept a motion to adjourn. Motion

1:07:38to adjourn. All in favor? A second. [laughter]  I need a second. Second. All in favor? Uh 4-0.

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