2026-08-17 - Board of Commissioners - Public Hearing on Data Center Moratorium

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02:02Okay. Um, I wanted to make sure that people who

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03:09I need a motion for the approval of the agenda.

03:19Okay. Uh next we're going to have the public

03:24down data center, this is public comments. Like

03:29landfield. That's what this one is for. You have

03:36going to go into a public hearing and that's when

03:41forward and talk about the data center. So, um if

03:50then um and there's a couple here um that want to

03:56And if you'll come down and state your name and

04:02your three minutes to speak and then we'll go into

04:10the data sus. One of them looks like U Jack Green

04:28I don't see one.

04:39Are you calling him? No,

04:42that's the one. Okay. There's a Okay.

04:57Is MO here?

05:06Okay. Um, I believe that's the only one

05:16centers except there's someone

05:37Yeah, I called her Solo.

05:44Madam Chair, we don't normally restrict

05:49uh during the public comment period, even

05:53my suggestion would be that we allow whomever

05:58do so with the understanding that we're not

06:02during the public hearing. Yeah. Well, during

06:07I thought Yeah. And that's what uh when I asked

06:13that we would say just for the public comment. But

06:17then they're going to speak again. I just

06:23speech during the public comment period. Okay. So

06:31to wait until we have the public hearing and your

06:37and speak now, we have, um, Leonard Harrison. Did

06:45Madam Chair, apparently the live stream

06:56He said the live stream is not I can't hear. Thank

07:05to wait? We need to go. Okay. All right. Go ahead,

07:12know, my name is Leonard Harrison. I live here

07:18I got asked by a bunch of people, hey, I need you

07:22concerning data centers. I knew absolutely nothing

07:29figure out what side of the aisle I s stand on.

07:36to nine people who actually work at data centers

07:42we need a moratorum in my opinion. one year.

07:49AI data centers are great for this country, but

07:55if you don't take the steps and make sure

08:01in place to protect the people that live in

08:09We have to make sure that those commu that those

08:15any more water than necessary. There are ways

08:21local water, but it's more expensive for them to

08:26the county. There are ways to make sure that the

08:33the community. This is awesome. There's things

08:38help our schools project and move in a direction

08:45finding from employees of data centers and people

08:53issues concerned for those people who are in those

08:59Well, I had one guy from a data center say if

09:05centers where trees are taller than the buildings

09:14you have to make sure that those trees are given

09:19trees will do what they need to do. You have

09:24data centers per square mile in your county so you

09:31that you do what you can because property values

09:36I don't like having a certain neighbor. I can't

09:42data center if it's a quarter of a mile down the

09:47And I spoke to a guy who told me his son

09:53be a high school student. And if you can't sleep

09:58what's your loss in value on that house where you

10:03except for the fact that we have humming 24 hours

10:09to do data centers in this community, there are

10:14look at them and make sure we put the structures

10:24And um if you can hold your applause,

10:26it's going to take a lot of time to stop

10:34applause for Jeff. Hello commissioners. My

10:41Me and I'm a semi retired senior IT engineer.

10:48Part of that time I was local to facilities here

10:53of American Railroads 18 years with its IT

11:00which was purchased by Oracle some contracting

11:06many data centers over the years, including AT&T

11:13I've been in many data centers in North Carolina

11:19Dickinson, CCB, Caling, VA replacements. During

11:26who came involved with very large super big data

11:33and US East 2 in Ohio. Some of the most massive

11:40However, I know that AI data centers have some

11:46the network and storage characteristics are quite

11:52development over year years, there's they they've

11:57leaning against AI data centers are concerned

12:02and noise. Those are very valid concerns. AI data

12:08but their cooling systems can chemically and

12:12properly. That needs to be watched closely.

12:17electricity. Why? Number one, heavy computations

12:23of that, but I only have three minutes. Okay.

12:28operation, 24 by7. Now, I'd like to talk a little

12:34meetings recently where zoning is a hot topic. I

12:39noticed when making the case for or against each

12:44out a few things. My personal observation is that

12:50However, when someone wants to build something,

12:55I live within the county. I personally think the

13:02Alance County needs to get a better handle on this

13:07I'd like to touch back on history for a moment.

13:12the years. Those industries employed thousands

13:16US defense. Two did leave some unfortunate

13:23and defense. The other less serious cultural

13:29you have the opportunity opportunity to do

13:33of your constituents. I personally believe a

13:39Alamance County can develop their own plan. You

13:44can do scaled down institute short moratorum

13:50a data center fit within the boundaries of the

13:56away. Thank you. I enjoyed uh you talking.

14:04Ruby um Cart Oh, Rudy, sorry. That's me. All

14:15North Carolina. I don't know if you all knew this,

14:21first Bitcoin data center. The one at the end

14:24have all the airplanes and you were there. Uh you

14:32power. So I know several of you has said talked

14:38Carolina 31 this is right off Duke's website.

14:44McLaren is 2.2 gawatts per day. Brunswick is 1.8

14:52only have one reactor. It's 38% of our power comes

14:59gawatts of power. So when someone said I think one

15:03data center that's like 1 to 2%. And right now

15:11a little over half. So power is not the issue.

15:18to cool our systems. Take your phone, dump it in

15:24the toilets, wash our hands, and occasionally

15:30So basically propylene glycol ethylene glycol

15:36through a radiator. So let's have this honest

15:41about internet being slow. And it's definitely

15:46we're talking about is the fans blowing through

15:51right? Is that noise. It's a 200 megahertz hum.

15:56when we put it there was because it's right next

16:02you'll see these big green cabinets. Those are

16:06there next to the highway. So, no one complained

16:10there, but no one cares because the noise is

16:16need to talk about is the noise zoning. Whatever

16:21conversation. It is about straight up noise. It's

16:27make people sick. It can't. But again, I worked

16:34And then think about it. You guys just spent $5

16:38kids. Where do you think that data is stored? The

16:44kind of great. We say we want to spend $5 million

16:49right? and they turn around and say we all support

16:54jobs. Data centers do. I know. So what I'm trying

17:02leads to bands leads to a lot of other things.

17:07know everybody wants to have zero. I say 10 at

17:13let's be realistic. It's not about power. It's not

17:31Good evening, commissioners. I'm Bill Shaman

17:35my comments about data centers for the public

17:40our um inability to stop large developments. And

17:49we aren't going to be able to stop data centers

17:54why we are where we are today, but we do not

17:59plan or zoning in the unincorporated county

18:03seen with Sax Baja, they're now struggling with

18:09plans that we can't do anything about because once

18:14meeting last week, um they are grandfathered in

18:21we are now faced with upwards of 1,600 homes going

18:28by adequate sewage, roads, schools, or anything

18:35different set of issues, there are other issues

18:40we need to sit back since this board is

18:44after the midterm elections. We need to put

18:51responsible decisions that benefit the people

18:57I I did hear a comment that um we don't that the

19:04but if anybody was awake around 8 a.m. on July

19:09because a data center in Virginia lost power.

19:16they rerouted power to give that data center what

19:21this interconnected grid is um a thing that we've

19:26affects us, but adding it locally affects us more

19:35to pay for additions to infrastructure to support

19:41It was done to the detriment of the taxpayers of

19:46we're going to see a 30% rate increase

19:51grid infrastructure. And that's on top of them now

19:58something and they want to pass those costs on

20:01about the cost of living for citizens in Alamance

20:06and I saw that we didn't want to increase costs.

20:11taxes that we were talking about that would be

20:16have to deal with to provide local infrastructure

20:24increases that are completely outside of our

20:28talk more about data centers next time, but um

20:45Hello, my name is Susan Berdicelli. I live

20:51do understand people not wanting data centers

20:57misconceptions being circulated and all options

21:04truly is a rapidly changing technology. Electric

21:11it. There are now energy options with very low

21:19modular reactors, geothermal, and green hydrogen.

21:28Meta and Amazon. Most the data centers today use

21:37but the new ones are incorporating the alternative

21:44is true for high water usage. There are options

21:52They include air cooling, closed loop, liquid,

21:59to noise. Depending on the technology that is

22:06do want to tell you about a very positive note

22:12in the south which are using data center tax

22:19This includes Lden uh County, Virginia,

22:27counties in Georgia. Many people in this room

22:35our hospitals are using it now. Every time you

22:43that is AI. Our own usage of these things

22:50Solutions have to be provided. My ask is a limited

22:58to understand the real negatives and positives

23:11Uh, if you'll hold your

23:28Good evening, commissioners. My name is

23:34urge you to approve a moratorium

23:39I also urge you to convene a citizens working

23:47ourselves in for should a data center be approved

23:53in a minute. Like everyday people across the

24:00risks and dangers. They include draining local

24:11noise, increased power bills, and false promises

24:20already where additional stresses like these run

24:29Data center construction is not a political

24:37ultra wealthy corporate few exploiting the

24:46nothing democratic about this data center boom.

24:53corporations roing rolling out all this AI stuff.

25:01weigh in. It reminded me of how thoroughly

25:10Many working folks across the country argue that

25:18that elected officials don't genuinely listen

25:24in Alamance. When I look up from the shovel for a

25:32such an issue is before us, it becomes clear that

25:41growth. 3% a year every year and that projects

25:50in charge at the expense of everyday people.

25:58citizens working group on this big issue. We'll

26:07and forward to you our findings so that

26:15Ramona Allen

26:25Um it is quite evident that we need a more I'm

26:32of knowledge my knowledge of data centers AI of

26:39the pros and cons. So that lets us know that there

26:45to step back, re-evaluate, and decide. Is this

26:51that we have the capacity for? We're growing

26:56day because of the population or whatnot. So, it's

27:04for those that don't know, get a chance to weigh

27:10county. Um, also with not having zoning, we're

27:17don't have that, you're going to have someone

27:21you're going to be able they're going to be able

27:25it's important that we re-evaluate and take in

27:30And I think it's going to take not overnight

27:36sit back and and re-evaluate and do

27:40these uh things that have been brought forth

27:44snapping needs to stop also. That's the same

28:02Good evening. Go ahead. I uh I've been a a

28:10and I've been a software engineer for about 14

28:16work. Uh a lot of people have talked about so far

28:24centers can operate and that uh you know tenants

28:29of operating. Uh but there's a lot that we don't

28:35Berkeley National Laboratory estimates that data

28:41water for cooling in 2023. The number, despite

28:47is expected to quadruple by 2028. Uh 17 billion

28:55using a year, which is more than double

29:04uh a June 2026 guardian analysis found that

29:09planned across the US are slated for areas

29:14Uh as we know we were or are still in uh a

29:22according to the UN University of Nebraska Lincoln

29:29County was considered to be in moderate drought

29:36power consumption. Um you know as someone who has

29:43and works in industry there is a large difference

29:51and a hypers scale AI data center. Um as the

29:57for a standard data center is about uh 10 to 30

30:04to use anywhere between 100 megawws upwards of one

30:13Um and then there is also the uh societal impact

30:22Lab that did show that while LLM usage reduced

30:28a cognitive cost diminishing users inclination

30:33it did suggest that there needs to be additional

30:39cog long-term cognitive effects. Uh that goes

30:45could be and a lot that's under development. Uh

30:51Um I also support a long longer term uh a two-year

31:01think um yeah, I think we just need to understand

31:08come in and make sure that we're able to

31:32I I'm last on the land, so I wasn't sure

31:37North Carolina. Um, originally I was going to try

31:42knows that. But the thing is is as mentioned

31:50North Carolina separated from South Carolina

32:02I know after the American Civil War, Alams

32:07issues. And there is a lot of textile a lot of

32:16thing is that what sustained it the most has been

32:25land taxes but in supplying food and supplying a

32:35thing is I'm hoping would be considered for all

32:50um

32:53I'm not going to get into about data centers

33:00wildlife our farmland and all that that

33:10Thank you. Thank you, Nathan Humphre.

33:23Evening, commissioners. Uh my name is

33:29uh previously volunteered for the Burlington

33:34a very long time, probably going on a couple

33:38data centers. Um tonight I'm asking you to move

33:45two years. Here's why. Outside of recent rain,

33:51North Carolina has no state water withdrawal

33:56can use millions of gallons a day. We also have

34:02cities and towns. No noise buffers, no setbacks,

34:08ordinary rate payers are already covering billions

34:13two dozen North Carolina jurisdictions, including

34:18exactly these reasons. And I'm sure you all have

34:22of Texas where they put a pause because the data

34:29the capacity that the state had. Moratorium

34:34write standards that should already exist. When

34:39non-negotiables. One, real distance from homes.

34:46independent power and water. Any facility should

34:52not drawn down from what our residents depend on.

34:57are tied to promised jobs, back that promise with

35:03so the money returns to the county if those

35:09draft an ordinance with at least a two-year term

35:13your time. Thank you, Nathan. Nathan, what did

35:19withdrawal. What did you say? I've got most

35:25program. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay.

35:33um the commissioners can make comments if they

35:47Didn't see it on the back. Uh Drew Benton.

36:10Good evening. Um I don't have a speech prepared

36:16Hog River. I also work at the airport. You

36:24enough building going on in Alamance County. Um

36:30think we need anymore. Thank you. Thank you.

36:50Emily Conway. I'm from Alah. Um, I agree. We need

36:58draft correct policy. Um, I also I think that

37:04to tell the planning committee that any zoning

37:09will be rejected and they need to wait until

37:14talk to everybody in the room about the library

37:21Alan County is that there are three cities that

37:28staff and everything else. Um in 1992 there was

37:35have a voice on the committee that is appointed by

37:44and the county commissioners review them, select

37:51how the board is that's how that committee is

37:56In 2025, this committee has done a very direct

38:06respecting the nominations in the city and have

38:11um to support their own ideologies and not the

38:18county. And I think that it's time if that's

38:23ethical or moral to do it that way. And if

38:28we need a new ordinance. So, thank you.

38:37did you have anything you wanted to say?

38:45uh Did you sign up about data centers?

38:50that'll be the public hearing. You're not on

38:59Yes, sir. You if your name's on the data, I'll

39:08not sure whether we're supposed to talk about data

39:13I I I just make a quick brief point about data

39:19a lot of new information. data centers provide a

39:26together in places around the country uh that

39:31County. So what's right for Alamance County is

39:37Whatever side of the the question you fall with

39:43are what's right here in your your palm. It's

39:48you for cancer. That's what data centers are

39:54we've got thousands of new laptops for the kids.

40:00it's prudent to study both sides of this concern

40:08experts together and come back with a report. Then

40:14With regard to the libraries, the libraries, in

40:20community. Yeah, you can bring it on. Bring it

40:27what's happened with the ideological proceedings

40:33coming. That's right. Yeah. Um, you have to

40:46on the ballot. We're going to have order or

40:53to continue. Can you do it nicely? No. That's

41:01little bit in the uh sessions to come. Uh with the

41:08system, I agree there's some reforms that need to

41:16Okay. Well, definitely with the data center issue,

41:23is all over. You can't hear your mic. Sorry. I

41:31uh, there's more to be said, but there's so

41:37an inordinate amount of time trying to figure out

41:42we can't do with data centers. We want to control

41:48protection of our citizens. That's going to be our

41:55Uh there's been some comments made that followed

42:03um to the effect that this board asked for no

42:11after the election. That's totally bogus. I have

42:18most of the constituents that have come to me

42:24that have come to me have been opposed to zoning

42:30to change or not, but right now we don't know

42:37we know how we're going to go vote weeks before

42:41that decision on a vote is made while we're

42:48"I know how you're going to vote on something."

42:53vote on something. I've had candidates say the

42:58in in way ahead of the point in time when that

43:05That's not reality. We live and work in reality on

43:13to take care of our citizens. That's my reality.

43:18Alamance County. And I'm going to do my level best

43:24here tonight primarily on whether or not we're

43:32thinks we don't want to have one. But we've got to

43:42if we're going to have one. So, we don't

43:48citizens. That's our job. It's my job and I take

43:59you. So tonight we're here primarily to look at

44:11zoning to whether we want uh data centers to be

44:21course with the commissioners we're looking

44:28think if you look across North Carolina, you'll

44:33state already. They're in Virginia and

44:40they're they're here to be with us. Um, and as

44:50you know, we everything revolves around computers,

44:58not going to be diminished or go away but we need

45:05your comments tonight. I think most of us uh have

45:14uh would be willing to consider that. So tonight

45:21through trying to determine you know what are

45:28So thank you for coming tonight and I look forward

45:37Um well, I've pushed for this meeting because

45:44happened that we found out after the ground

45:49set up with no concrete type of zoning in the

45:55over. And I don't want that to keep happening

46:00very destructive. It changes everything and and

46:07um, I'll just put out there, I don't care

46:11Lowden County all you want to along with that

46:16um, that's just my opinion. Two years is fine

46:22as far as the library, there was a comment. Um, I

46:26"The cities provide the buildings and the

46:31stuff. Friends of libraries do book sales and

46:36libraries on Facebook, they have just blowed it

46:41And I requested at the last meeting that we look

46:4629. And I think we need to look at that because

46:52and Neb. And that needs to weigh in stuff. If

46:57they're part of that committee. I think we need

47:04one thing about the library committees, uh, we had

47:12had put down for meban and they told him that his

47:19next year and it w if or whenever an opening came

47:27said I really wanted to do that. I think I have

47:34of the other ones that we had, I'd say 95% of what

47:42committee, they get. But the last one was the lady

47:48doing a good job. I asked several people and she

47:55brought up at the last meeting. People get put on

47:59"I don't like this. I'm not even going to go

48:05up who everybody likes and who offers suggestions

48:12think those people should stay on the committee

48:18with it. So 95% of what they asked for in fact

48:27Graham wanted to they put down who they wanted.

48:33else to be on it. So it's we do try to follow what

48:41of 95% of them are who they ask for and that's who

48:48wanted to call my name out, Commissioner Thompson

48:53mine because she's also an elected official in

48:59I think the world of her and I talked to her on

49:04think the more people we can get involved in this

49:10it's just better. And she's also a friend of mine

49:17saying that that we did get who they wanted. That

49:24so I need a um consent or a motion for the consent

49:32make a motion or ask to request that we take the

49:40that um be discussed because this is over a $5

49:47other one. And I got those figures today. And

49:53to get we just can't say real easy, we're going

49:58Sheriff, because we did this to the Family Justice

50:03permission just to apply for a grant and uh we

50:09least have a presentation if the sheriff doesn't

50:20Anyone u want to second that motion? Um, I

50:30so I don't know why we need to I mean, we trying

50:34we don't don't have, you know, sleeping on the

50:40I'm saying. They may want to know since they pay

50:46but I think it's important that our citizens

50:52end. I could what? If you'd like to add

50:56we can discuss them. Okay. And you could

51:02without those two. Okay. All right. We'll do

51:08motion. That makes it formal. All those in

51:18uh we are going to the public hearing which

51:23the public hearing. I make that motion. Second.

51:34now. Um Leonard Harrison, did you want to speak

51:54So, I'm Bill Shawn, still at 1802 Englewood Drive.

52:002-year moratorum on new data center construction

52:07unrestricted construction of hypers scale data

52:12business. I'm not anti-technology. I worked

52:17time to pause and make sure we're addressing the

52:23Um development should be done responsibly and with

52:30that. Um Alamance County should not be expected to

52:36these fundamental rules are still being debated.

52:42and land use regulations, excuse me, around the

52:48the largest individual electrical users in the

52:54substations, transmission lines, and other

52:59And they take about as much as a small city, as

53:05have a big impact. I've heard someone suggest that

53:10other green technologies. Let's be real, a small

53:16about 4 to 500 acres of solar panels if you're

53:21want a small nuclear reactor in our backyards

53:25Alamance County. And if we put it somewhere

53:30infrastructure to bring that data to them. Um I

53:37would impact people's utility bills. The state

53:44costs and keep those burdens from the taxpayers

53:52pay for their construction, pay for their impacts.

53:58um helps protect the residential and other

54:06utility customers. Um our water resources

54:11industry and and nature natural ecosystems. A

54:17up to a million and a half gallons of water per

54:22Mill project 460,000 gallons per day. just to get

54:28in what's called a um closed loop system, at some

54:35our waterheds and aquifers and then refresh that.

54:40water use. It just kicks it down and then we got

54:45centers are not like ordinary office buildings

54:50industrial centers or anything else. They have

54:56the other things that come along with them.

55:01the two-year moratorum to give us time so we can

55:13Good evening, commissioners. Thank you for all

55:17I'm an electrical and computer engineer. I'm a

55:22County Commissioner. I'm standing before you to

55:28on new industrial developments specifically

55:34be honest with each other. Anything less than a

55:38kicking the can down the road past the upcoming

55:44governed by election cycles. Two years is not a

55:50time to investigate these facilities and

55:56Alamance County operates without comprehensive

56:02drop right next to family farms or high intensity

56:08to quiet residential neighborhoods. A full

56:13explicitly protects residential rights, defend

56:18before groundbreaking ceremonies even begin.

56:23it's easy to view them as high-tech warehouses.

56:28refineries. Like a refinery, a hypers scale

56:34utility built to protect raw built to process raw

56:41massive strain on our power grid, huge demands

56:45pollution. And tech moves fast. AI firms

56:51right now. And what happens down the road when

56:55price? Will these massive data centers be able to

57:01a county be holding the bag with stranded

57:07It's simply not clear. We owe it to our residents

57:13multi-deade commitments when the long-term math

57:18take two years. Let's protect our infrastructure,

57:24and make sure our Alamance County controls

57:29and I thank all the board members for

57:38Hello, my name is Christopher Laam and

57:43a near lifetime resident of Alamance County, and

57:48and Liberation. I think that the consensus of

57:53we don't want data centers in our communities.

57:58other boards of commissioners in Guilford, in

58:03overwhelming sentiment that has been provided

58:10have for development and we don't deny that. But

58:16seen historically and across counties who this is

58:22It's going to hit the black and brown areas of

58:27are not going to abide very amicably by any

58:36what's cheapest, not with what's best for people.

58:41across the country. Moreover, we're currently in a

58:47has dropped so low that you can see roads that

58:53you imagine what Saxpah is going to look like when

59:00extremely apparent and the cost is probably going

59:08so many people from across the aisle can be so

59:14it either due to personal agendas or because they

59:20I should also note real quickly that it's not

59:25celebrate when all of your constituents boo you

59:31That's that's not common at all. And generally

59:38most marginalized and historically exploited part

59:43the nation develops, it's always the poor, the

59:49country that pay the price. We don't need to pay

59:55developers coming down here to develop things we

1:00:04and showing their voices. I urge the board of

1:00:10get community approval in the areas they're going

1:00:16construction for the future. I love this county. I

1:00:21I want what's best for it and data centers are not

1:00:29you've already Okay. All right. Carl Temple.

1:00:40I appreciate this opportunity to speak to to

1:00:46sitting in the back. Most of what I wanted to

1:00:53Who's going to pay for this? Duke, I work for

1:00:59That's not working on the lines from a generator

1:01:05They are all loaded. All the generating power

1:01:12did two months ago. Your power is loaded to

1:01:20$5 off your power bill if we can take a cut

1:01:26uh breaker on there and if we have permission,

1:01:32off sometime this summer when our load peaks. If

1:01:39going to have to have a whole lot more generating

1:01:45probably have to have some generator plants. And

1:01:50with AI. It certainly won't. And the sunshine's

1:01:59generator plant that some of you people may not

1:02:05I all my question is this. Who's going to pay

1:02:13data center, and I'm going to make a remark that I

1:02:21have a lot more data center than we got right

1:02:30Peter Childers

1:02:43first of all um I'm sorry. Yeah. Sorry, my voice

1:02:52All right. Um, oh, I first thing before um I get

1:03:01that um NPR reported that you guys have already

1:03:10know if that's true or not, but it was done on

1:03:15just leave that. You can make comments on it if

1:03:20moratorum, a minimum. Uh, I guess other people

1:03:28have to the community needs a chance to understand

1:03:36hypers scale industrial sites. Uh this is a

1:03:44which could be life-changing for anyone who has no

1:03:50There needs to be some ground rules to protect

1:03:54some rules. I've done such much investigation and

1:04:00their quiet enjoyment of their property for this

1:04:07unaccountable billionaires. Some of the important

1:04:12massive power line construction, uh loud humming

1:04:19to noise from backup generators. Some facilities

1:04:26generators emitting large amounts of pollutants

1:04:32create a heat dome um from cooling which increases

1:04:37in surrounding neighborhoods. I propose this

1:04:44meetings to air truth of what is an industry

1:04:49have a vision of their future which largely does

1:04:56our water at risk, our jobs at risk, and our data

1:05:03and one last thing. Many governments have signed

1:05:08developments. I'm asking if any commissioners

1:05:15the data center construction secret from the

1:05:20would be a good point. Um so thank you for letting

1:05:27Uh I've been doing a lot of personal re research

1:05:32and we would probably need more public meetings

1:05:46Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm Scott Snare. I'm

1:05:53contractor. And uh this evening I was going to

1:06:01uh rather than uh zoning, which is not really

1:06:08targeted ordinance against uh the development of

1:06:16um make a business case for it, something that

1:06:23it is. Um, when I first got out of the military,

1:06:34at a paper mill up on Lake Ontario. It was cold

1:06:42lot of fresh water, about two to three million

1:06:49That water was then treated and put back in

1:06:56the local community. Pretty crazy when you think

1:07:03a lot of steam and it made a racket. It made

1:07:12side of town. And yet there were very little

1:07:19town. Why? Because everybody worked at the mill.

1:07:28the power plant that ran the mill or you worked

1:07:35to the mill. If you didn't work at one of those

1:07:40you worked for the municipality or you owned and

1:07:50of only 10,000 people. I think it had something to

1:07:57Now, you contrast that with the data center. All

1:08:06all the loud noise, none of the jobs, none. Those

1:08:16them, including the minimum wage security workers.

1:08:27sinfully bad. And I would uh encourage

1:08:34to see where the technology leads and then

1:08:40uh ordinance against uh the data centers.

1:09:07didn't know this was round two, but here we are.

1:09:12I'm still a hard no for the data center. I don't

1:09:19I'm a local business owner here, too. And I think,

1:09:24of town, why don't we support somebody here in

1:09:31and I very little support from anybody here. Um,

1:09:40data center and come visit me. You get a chance.

1:10:02Good afternoon, commissioner. My name is inv 3450.

1:10:11that not all your constituents opposes zoning. I

1:10:20for that company, um these data centers are not an

1:10:31ago, Commissioner Lashley brought before this

1:10:38to Alamance County if we didn't do something. At

1:10:44there, so we're not we don't need to do anything.

1:10:51a long time. So has zoning in this county. So

1:11:00I agree with that. We need to put a moratorum on

1:11:07no two years. It's not going to take that long to

1:11:13allow data centers to operate in rural Adams

1:11:20There's restrictions and lot guidelines and stuff

1:11:25get it done. Served on the planning board and I

1:11:30it approved by you five commissioners. The thing

1:11:41these data centers need to be located? if they're

1:11:47country where I live. These are the things that

1:11:54so that residential business industry don't inter

1:12:02problems. If a landfield is there residential

1:12:10it trouble. same way the other way around. Only

1:12:17comprehensive plan that's been put before this

1:12:24business or residential or commercial can do.

1:12:32supported by the uh citizens of Alamance County

1:12:41not like this was brought up and done by just

1:12:47planning board. So I would encourage you tonight

1:12:57is zoning and where business and all can take

1:13:04in a place that would not be detrimental to the

1:13:21Good evening, commissioners. I'm Carol Troxler.

1:13:28in the country. I like living in the country.

1:13:34am wide open vulnerable to anybody with money who

1:13:42they want to which will endanger not only my way

1:13:50have a lot of land but believe me the wildlife

1:13:56up that there's almost no place that they can go.

1:14:04patches of places where wildlife can survive. And

1:14:13serious zoning. And I'm here to talk about uh the

1:14:23you will give it two years. But more importantly

1:14:31some serious research and use people who know what

1:14:40I'm a historian and I'm proud of it, but I don't

1:14:50if if we don't really bring together minds that

1:14:59who wants it and who doesn't know it, then we're

1:15:05trouble than we are now. This data center thing

1:15:13It's not just us in Alamance County. It's an

1:15:20so we need to sit back, pull back, bring in good

1:15:28a plan that's good for Alamance County, for its

1:15:35should tell you that I have a well. Everybody

1:15:40everybody who lives in unincorpor unincorporated

1:15:47is a good whale. We had it dug in 1975 and it's

1:15:57next to me that's going to ruin the aquifer,

1:16:03won't be just me. It'll be the rest of the county.

1:16:30Good evening. My name is Benita

1:16:36I'm here tonight to speak in opposition

1:16:40County and ask for there to be at least a two-year

1:16:48a resident and member of this community, but from

1:16:58member of the Okonichi Bannon Nation. I speak here

1:17:06uh personal connection to the land and where we

1:17:13directional service which is an indigenousled

1:17:20justices along with other initiatives as well for

1:17:30uh or a resource to be developed. It is part

1:17:38water, forest, wildlife, and natural resources is

1:17:44our future generations. That is why environmental

1:17:52I'm not against technology progress or responsible

1:18:00should improve the quality of life for the

1:18:07electricity, land, and communities at risk. A

1:18:14our public um resources. These facilities require

1:18:23significant amounts of water for cooling. The that

1:18:30to give up in order to bring these facilities

1:18:38resource. Our land is not an unlimited resource.

1:18:47not something that we can simply replace once

1:18:52the impact on the surrounding communities. Data

1:18:59uh projects increased traffic industrial scale

1:19:06so forth. These impacts can change the

1:19:12and neighborhoods permanently. We must also

1:19:19um required to support such a massive uh

1:19:26customers are expected to absorb these costs while

1:19:33then we need to seriously consider whether that

1:19:39I'm being cut off, but um I will uh end here by

1:19:48leaders to pause, listen to the community, fully

1:19:56and put the long-term health of Element County

1:20:02uh so let's not leave behind a legacy of concrete

1:20:09And for those who are in

1:20:16up. Okay. Dante Bowman

1:20:33for recess. Recess. Okay. Dante,

1:20:38they've asked that we can take a brief recess. So,

1:20:41I need a motion to take a brief recess for five

1:20:48All a second. Second. All those in favor? I

1:21:08Y'all want to call? If the gentleman

1:21:16Where's the other sheet? Me. And state your name,

1:21:27A. What I said was, "Hello, I'm called Dante

1:21:33in Alamance County. I'm Afroindigenous and I'm

1:21:39trying to come to Alamance County." Data centers

1:21:45consume millions of gallons of drinking water,

1:21:51such as local water sheds will most likely

1:21:57data centers could possibly raise water bills and

1:22:03the community behind me do not want their water

1:22:09There's a quote from Mo brings plenty. He's an

1:22:15He said that your devices cannot supply your

1:22:20drink from your phone. So I am really against

1:22:27here in Alamance County because we already have

1:22:34we have BIES being built which is unfortunately

1:22:40path. The Okanichi's traded on that trading path

1:22:45with the Sispaha Native Americans. So if this

1:22:52not build no data center because we not need that

1:23:18Commissioners, my name is Dan Malone. I'm a

1:23:24I own a fairly goodsized commercial industrial

1:23:29So that being said, this data center could

1:23:35there's a caveat to that. Infrastructure. I

1:23:40stressed any more than it already is. That

1:23:46local aquifers. I have a lovely well that tests

1:23:54lose that. I also work fairly closely

1:24:00uh with construction of some fairly large pieces

1:24:05the US Postal Service. We're installing a lot

1:24:12And that in and of itself is causing a massive

1:24:16grid. Who likes to tell me about in our meetings?

1:24:22that's between them and the postal service. But

1:24:27taxpayers in this area will be tremendous if that

1:24:33scale and the terms timewise that is going to be

1:24:40Therefore, I urge you all to please consider at

1:24:47allow us to see what these are going to bring,

1:24:52the future with the obsolescence and the speed

1:24:57right now. Who's to say we'll even need the data

1:25:02moved on to something else? or at that point,

1:25:06reactors wouldn't be a viable option, which would

1:25:11cost wouldn't be passed on to taxpayers. That's

1:25:25Thank you for hearing me tonight. My

1:25:29neighborhood in Elon. My daughter my

1:25:36we're rooted in Alamash County and I don't

1:25:42that we live in one of the fastest growing parts

1:25:48country. I think only Brunswick County is ahead

1:25:56way that just a little bit closer to the mic

1:26:04Um my concern is with the the stress and the

1:26:11growth that's projected over the next into the

1:26:18our power, our water. I think we're going to have

1:26:24here. Some gentleman mentioned business decision.

1:26:30made tonight is to adopt the moratorum one year,

1:26:41of the road on our terms, not on their terms. And

1:26:50we're here tonight across this country, there

1:26:56with lawsuits, you know, various kinds. This is

1:27:03came in just up I 85. My hometown of Henderson is

1:27:11not Frank, yeah, Franklin County wanted to come

1:27:17that's going to end up in Kuckle. So those kind of

1:27:23the water issue is critical and so I would urge

1:27:29let us do our due diligence and I thank you

1:27:47My name is Hillary Messer. I'm a teacher here in

1:27:53of my six and sevenyear-olds. Um, good evening

1:27:59I moved here because of my family, the trees,

1:28:04like I watched grow around me in South Florida.

1:28:09it to happen here. We need strong regulations in

1:28:15humans, our water, and our economy. It is easy

1:28:21but research tells a very different story for

1:28:26Technology revealed that while metropolitan areas

1:28:33non-tropolitan counties see no measurable economic

1:28:40rural towns are often left with tax breaks for

1:28:46In states like Texas and Virginia, data centers

1:28:52equipment, and electricity. When multi-billion

1:28:57local taxpayers are left to foot the bill for the

1:29:03require. This is something North Carolinians are

1:29:07corporate tax put into place by 2029. The physical

1:29:14Consider a single midsize data center operating at

1:29:22consume up to 1.5 million gallons of water every

1:29:28gallons a year. That is equal to the annual water

1:29:35up to 83% of the water is permanently lost to

1:29:40is very detrimental to farms. Furthermore, the

1:29:46hundreds of megawatt hours every single

1:29:51costly new infrastructure. When utility

1:29:55local families and small businesses face

1:30:00yes, I got the bill that my Duke Energy is going

1:30:06studies have shown or research has been done that

1:30:11your bill will probably go up between six and 29%.

1:30:18and Water Watch along with 230 other organizations

1:30:23construction. Please exercise your safeguard to

1:30:29and act a moratorum until thorough research

1:30:34established. We're not the only residents. Animals

1:30:40put it near the trees, well if we're building

1:30:45data center where there's 50 foot trees in place,

1:30:51Last but not least, without the zoning laws, these

1:30:57and lower economic static status areas. Their

1:31:04outside of your front window, next to your house,

1:31:20good evening. I'm Tom Schoffler, Morill Road. Uh,

1:31:24data centers are extremely compromised.

1:31:31there that we all are hearing about,

1:31:35negative. I don't know what all is correct. I do

1:31:42the idea that you may be left with something

1:31:50What I do know is that actually I have a question

1:31:58length can be changed. The length can be changed

1:32:04it out. They can say okay we're going to cancel

1:32:09respond? Oh. Um yes that's correct. So the initial

1:32:17you to put in a two-year moratorum and then if you

1:32:25relinquish the extra time. There there's so much

1:32:31an anecdotal study about a cattle farmer next to

1:32:42increase in the number of miscarriages in the

1:32:48know. But these are things that have to be studied

1:32:53to find out the answers, you may make a decision

1:33:01I encourage you to please do what counties all

1:33:07in place. Thank you. Israel looks like builders.

1:33:22skipped over Richard. Good evening, county

1:33:27at 1121 West Davis Street in Burlington, North

1:33:34University. I'm only saying that for affiliation

1:33:39member. Uh I am here to speak as a first amendment

1:33:46I teach politics and media and one of the big

1:33:50semester with my students are what are the issues

1:33:55probably have seen there's a lot of anger out

1:34:00issue is standing out and we're seeing the data uh

1:34:074,000 data centers are already in operation

1:34:12Data center developers and tech giants

1:34:16but public opposition is mounting over the large

1:34:22tonight and we've heard it. And there's one thing

1:34:28hold a lot of power over and I want to at least

1:34:34and that is that over and over what we're seeing

1:34:40home to the world's largest concentration of

1:34:47existing data centers have NDAs in place. Now, we

1:34:54uh and he mentioned that the decision has already

1:35:00but I would at least caution you that

1:35:05other. I'm not speaking for or against data

1:35:10uh attorney about transparency and about

1:35:17you will ease the concerns of citizens in this

1:35:23you will not sign any NDAs. We are seeing the data

1:35:30are open and transparency about the decisions that

1:35:37there's more civil discourse on the matter.

1:35:42more people feel like they have power and you

1:35:48decision that no matter what, we are not going to

1:35:55as to why you cannot tell the public what's going

1:36:03as a citizen, as a first amendment attorney,

1:36:09whatever you do, moratorum, six month, a year,

1:36:17I think no matter what happens, our county will

1:36:34Good evening, commissioners, and thank you for

1:36:38My name is Major, retired Richard Ojetta. I'm

1:36:42Carolina's 9th Congressional District, and I

1:36:46should compete for new industries and good paying

1:36:52people who already live here. When it comes to

1:36:58oversight before we rush into decisions that could

1:37:03with energy. If a massive data center is going

1:37:09company should be responsible for paying for and

1:37:16Working families should not see their electric

1:37:20needs more power. And then there's water. We need

1:37:27water? What happens in communities that already

1:37:32a drought? What happens when families, farmers,

1:37:38We cannot approve these projects today and figure

1:37:44need to listen to the people who actually live in

1:37:49the farmers depending on the water, and the small

1:37:54Economic development should happen in partnership

1:38:00not just as a ploy to make the rich richer at

1:38:05innovation. I'm against rushing into something

1:38:11Let's establish clear standards. Let's demand

1:38:15pay their fair share. And let's have a real plan

1:38:21Carolina deserves economic growth that works for

1:38:26And I would like to say that data centers are not

1:38:33The people that work those, they bring in from

1:38:39here will be security, custodial, and maintenance.

1:38:57Hi there, Commissioner Board. Uh, my name is

1:39:03Burlington, 1425 Shamrock Drive. And I'm probably

1:39:09room. I've been in this industry for 20 years.

1:39:12global risk management strategies. I've been in

1:39:18want a hypers scale data center next door to my

1:39:24theater. It's aimed at a hypothetical problem

1:39:28that are already here. I don't have a hypothetical

1:39:34coming off the Dr. Horton construction site

1:39:39touch because it's so full of sediment. Shamlet,

1:39:45harming the water quality for a million people

1:39:51on 49 and 40year. It's a mile away from my

1:39:57chillers uh and HVAC units all morning starting

1:40:03low frequency noise and I can't hunt turkey in

1:40:07them because it's so loud. None of these are

1:40:13health and my quality of life in this county. I

1:40:20can't eat any of the fish. We allow sewage sludge

1:40:26don't know how much PAS is in there. You know

1:40:30They don't know. These are not hypothetical

1:40:36this county suddenly discover an urgent need to

1:40:40know doesn't actually have any projects proposed.

1:40:47for a year, everybody gets to say they acted.

1:40:52moves on. And then what? The same weak monitoring

1:40:57there. Decide what a every major industrial

1:41:04live here. Set measurable standards for storm

1:41:09road impacts, and environmental performance, and

1:41:14that a company will be a good neighbor. Define

1:41:18on it. When a company wants to bring billions

1:41:23use that leverage. That's the opportunity

1:41:27an extraordinary amount of capital looking for

1:41:31wants to put billions of dollars here, make sure

1:41:36of it. Set minimum environmental community

1:41:40measurable, and enforceable. And if they fail to

1:41:45a much more serious response than a moratorium.

1:41:50industry can deal with tough regulation. They

1:41:54is uncertainty. rules changing halfway through a

1:41:59on who's asking, regulations driven by whatever

1:42:03year. We should be careful assuming that the

1:42:07center that we'll be dealing with two years

1:42:11giant hyper dense training clusters to be towards

1:42:17right up in your space two years from now when

1:42:41My name is Paul Stanberry. Uh, I live in Elon,

1:42:48not be a data center developer stepping foot in

1:42:54in Alamance County for most of my life. Rivers

1:42:59appreciation for where we live. Data centers would

1:43:05already filled with PAS and other pollutants. What

1:43:11center brings in very few jobs, take up takes up

1:43:16waterways. If we allow data centers into our home,

1:43:22there's a giant concrete box where their favorite

1:43:28the same amount of power as a small town or

1:43:33structures can be implemented in data centers,

1:43:39more destructive options. When I get older, I

1:43:45I study our local wildlife. Recently, the field

1:43:51room for more houses. The pond sediment in the

1:44:01Plastic fencing blocked a family of geese from

1:44:07fighting for my future. I'm fighting for the

1:44:11future of this county. In the simplest of

1:44:16building that houses machines. Consider for a

1:44:21in security and maintenance. Those are not

1:44:26them. If you continue to allow big companies

1:44:34then we can no longer trust the people

1:44:37place. Michael Michael Porcher Corset, I can't

1:44:54My name is Michael Coiola. I live on the Alamance

1:45:00friends in here. I'm here tonight to speak

1:45:06don't believe the county needs to choose between

1:45:11development altogether. I've heard legitimate

1:45:17noise, and impacts on neighboring property owners.

1:45:25I agree those concerns are real and they deserve

1:45:31them is not to pause all devel development

1:45:38to measure them and regulate them directly. The

1:45:46It is whether those impacts are understood,

1:45:52specific. If a project is proposed, we should

1:45:58use? How many megawatts of electricity will it

1:46:05required subfred upgrades? How many decibb will

1:46:12required to protect nearby homes? What is the

1:46:18a in drought conditions? and what happens during

1:46:26These are not abstract questions.

1:46:30planning questions. And once we have those

1:46:36noise limits, water usage thresholds,

1:46:42sharing rules. Measure the harm, establish

1:46:49A lot of this discussion has become a debate about

1:46:56support banking, healthcare, communications,

1:47:03and many other things besides AI. Whether somebody

1:47:10a particular industrial project is appropriate for

1:47:17a data center to employ thousands of permanent

1:47:21it will. But permanent jobs are not only one part

1:47:27capital investment, property tax revenue, and

1:47:34industrial project. The question is not simply

1:47:41The question is does the total benefit exceed

1:47:48can only be made honestly if we also quantify

1:47:56and land use impacts not just the benefits. I

1:48:07Denise Nru

1:48:24Good evening and thank you for hosting

1:48:28I'm an occupational therapist, a meban resident

1:48:35for Climate Health and Equity, otherwise known as

1:48:41advocates working to protect the health of North

1:48:47I'm just nervous tonight. Um I support

1:48:55um at least a one-year, if not a two-year

1:49:00develop well-informed standards as well as to

1:49:07want to discuss some health implications of

1:49:12which has not yet been mentioned. Um first of all

1:49:20use is a big issue but data centers can introduce

1:49:27semiconductors and fire suppressants. Um,

1:49:34reproductive, immune, and cancer related health

1:49:41exposed to PAS above EPA standards in drinking

1:49:49additional contamination in Alamance County.

1:49:56generators emit carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide,

1:50:03lung disease, and premature death. Elance County

1:50:09for these systems if they're to be implemented.

1:50:15from cooling systems, fans, and generators

1:50:21hypertension, cardiovascular strain, and cognitive

1:50:28should carefully evaluate potential noise

1:50:33require ongoing monitoring. Again, if data centers

1:50:40um finally, heat. Data centers generate

1:50:46heat island effect that can worsen already

1:50:51we've been seeing this summer. Increased heat

1:50:57illness, kidney disease, and other heat related

1:51:03children, people with disabilities, outdoor

1:51:08waste heat standards and ongoing monitoring are

1:51:15use us as a resource for evidence-based

1:51:20center policies and regulations. Thank you for

1:51:43Good evening. Thank you for hosting this

1:51:49I'm not going to say anything that

1:51:53but I do support a moratorum or a ban on data

1:52:00we need them here. We don't need a big ugly

1:52:04environment. I don't care if they use water

1:52:10don't supply jobs and they certainly aren't

1:52:16um I would implore you guys especially with the

1:52:25I do residential and light commercial HBAC.

1:52:31impoverished people who just can't even afford to

1:52:36unit or they sit there in their hot house. I've

1:52:41to redo their septic and they have septic backing

1:52:48their trailers and they just can't afford anything

1:52:54that I know of off the top of my head who are

1:53:01an at cost repair. They can't afford it for their

1:53:06if any other catastrophes befall them. So I think

1:53:13don't help us. Maybe they help America as a whole,

1:53:18Um, there's already uh a lot of industry here

1:53:26business. I can think of a few of my customers

1:53:33the local people who live here. They pay them

1:53:39They care about Alance County. I can assure you

1:53:46uh they they just want money and they're not going

1:53:52they're enforced, uh they just don't work. When

1:53:58they want. And sure, maybe if we if we spend two

1:54:05figuring out what regulations and zoning we should

1:54:13don't think they'll ever be clean. I don't think

1:54:18gonna just make a lot of people feel doomed

1:54:24going to be over and it's just going to turn

1:54:31about the industrialization as a whole. Thank

1:54:58Uh, mu hook. Uh, Tmaine Jeffa. Uh, hello

1:55:06a member of the Okanichi Banana Pony Nation.

1:55:12and honestly I didn't realize I was about to be

1:55:18has basically already covered everything that I

1:55:23in 1713, the governor of Virginia put me and my

1:55:32after we left Fort Chryana around 1717, we came

1:55:39where we have not left for the past 300 years.

1:55:44And it I'm hoping that it will be home for us for

1:55:49remember the gentleman's name. He's gone now, but

1:55:54and touch the water. And I'm just like within an

1:56:01seven generations of not only our kids, but your

1:56:08seven generations for them, they're going to be

1:56:11could touch the water was when our great great

1:56:17just ridiculous. Like I love playing in the water.

1:56:22and not hear a hum. Um, and so we just don't need

1:56:30can all publicly say that y'all will not sign an

1:56:35millions of dollars and for people, you know, for

1:56:41no one in here wants a data center. Um, and then

1:56:47put it in their backyard, not ours. Um, but uh,

1:56:57yeah, we don't we just don't need a data

1:57:01because this is really important that we don't get

1:57:08uh, but yeah, so just we will all appreciate if

1:57:14I think it's really important that you all

1:57:18personal needs and don't let money make you go

1:57:30that's pretty much it. But I'm still gonna stand

1:57:35a we don't need that. Um yeah, I don't know what

1:57:41animals and everything and just like the one lady

1:57:46data center to like right near like 50 foot trees

1:57:51in our backyard, it would be in the backyard of

1:57:57not something that we should be doing. And just

1:58:00we also need to look out for the animals that

1:58:05and we got to look out for our animals as

1:58:13Madam Chair. Yes. A term is being bannered

1:58:19there are people in the audience that don't

1:58:24people know or know know what an NDA is?

1:58:33agreement and I can tell you verbatim we

1:58:39a non-disclosure agreement would imply that we

1:58:45to which would be a violation of our ethics code

1:58:53serve on five boards and I have to take election

1:58:57So yeah, it means I won't do it and

1:59:09There's Cook. Good evening. My name is Sandra

1:59:14Haw River. Um I have a PhD in environmental

1:59:20College and I have been following the data

1:59:25I want to express my support for a moratorum

1:59:31already heard a lot of the potential issues

1:59:35energy use, noise and light pollution. Actually,

1:59:40but that's important, too. Um and air pollution,

1:59:45that much. And that's actually what I want to

1:59:50protected Americans health protections that were

1:59:55passed under the George HW Bush administration.

2:00:01data centers all over the US. And I want to

2:00:06um where Elon Musk's XAI Company's Colossus 2

2:00:13Clean Air Act permits. This facility operates 27

2:00:20formaldahhide, and other pollutants. The NAACP

2:00:26communities of color are being exposed to these

2:00:32unprecedented move, President Trump's Department

2:00:39proceed when the federal government does not

2:00:45are the bread and butter of the Clean Air Act. In

2:00:50citizen cases that have shaped environmental law

2:00:55new mind-boggling interpretation of the Clean

2:01:00administration's sinister efforts to not

2:01:05of all Americans, but set a new potentially

2:01:13The fact that our government values multi-billion

2:01:18healthy air and water is all the more reason that

2:01:24centers and other polluting industries into

2:01:29including you, commissioners, are united in the

2:01:34water and energy sources for ourselves, our

2:01:39thank you for having this hearing, for listening,

2:01:52I'm sorry. What did you say? A revel.

2:02:01Oh my goodness. Hi, I'm Leslie Revol. Um, I'm

2:02:09uh, I tend to do this thing where I zoom in and

2:02:14to it. Um, I don't have anything prepared today.

2:02:20Um, through I think it was an Instagram post. Um,

2:02:27yeah, excuse the filler words and the umsum and

2:02:35strategist. Um currently my focus is in data and

2:02:44we are in a midterm election year. Um a lot of the

2:02:52with just folks in the community have been around

2:02:58data centers in um in my county. I think Alamaz

2:03:08of waters. We have beautiful trails. Um I love the

2:03:15years old. Um my daughter is, you know, born and

2:03:25of the generation that is growing up with AI and

2:03:31Um, and that's really unfortunate um because a lot

2:03:37uh dependency on AI and I think you know

2:03:46data centers they can go somewhere

2:03:52um our beautiful environments that we have here

2:03:59um a lot of the things that I wanted to mention

2:04:05biggest um things that have impacted me in my

2:04:11have been that the um agriculture and the farmers

2:04:20and that I think someone else also mentioned like

2:04:24but one of the most heartbreaking facts that I

2:04:30these AI data centers are that a lot of farmers

2:04:38their cattle are about like 90% of their cattle

2:04:47they have had Um, I think the number, don't quote

2:04:54right? And that's our food, that's our water.

2:05:00we already have lost such a huge percentage

2:05:06keep us breathing. Um, yeah, don't put a data

2:05:20Bonnie,

2:05:25it's H U M M E L.

2:05:31I guess she's left. Okay. Uh Christa Phillips.

2:05:41We have a Christa Phillips coming. Okay.

2:05:48Christa Phillips, 208 West Car Street, Meban. And

2:05:57and bred, relocated back to Meban and the Triangle

2:06:05the last three years, specifically Prince William,

2:06:15are. Everything that's been mentioned here because

2:06:20a reality there multiplied by a bazillion people

2:06:29know what we're talking about here is hypothetical

2:06:35to do it's just a suggestion is actually go talk

2:06:41how they've been harmed how the data center

2:06:48through. There are lawsuits all over the place.

2:06:55All the above that's been mentioned here is there.

2:07:02have the one of the new things now going on. So

2:07:08affected and being snarfed up. And I mean to lose

2:07:15we we've got the distribution centers and bies,

2:07:20data centers are mile after mile after mile. It

2:07:28got here. So I suggest that if you haven't, you go

2:07:35get what I skipped over there is one of the things

2:07:42neighbors the data center people are coming in.

2:07:48talk them into selling to the data centers to be

2:07:55And now a new thing there because my daughter

2:08:02They are actually coming into neighborhoods into

2:08:12mean multi-million dollar contracts to buy out

2:08:20And so they are pitting now neighbors against

2:08:27there for decades. And so it's the money

2:08:34about the beauty here. Uh that was all farmland up

2:08:41back in North Carolina, but what I saw there,

2:08:50Benjamin Andrews.

2:09:06Hello. Uh, my name is Benjamin Andrews. Uh, I

2:09:13center industry and have since 2012. Um, I pretty

2:09:19wanted to bring up, but I think probably the most

2:09:24is that we don't have zoning laws. All the issues

2:09:29problem here. I came prepared mostly to talk about

2:09:34it explains why we have so many issues across the

2:09:40Um so we need to that needs to be addressed and

2:09:46requirements. Data centers can bring in money and

2:09:53we need to make sure that if they do do that

2:09:58we can't be giving them huge tax breaks for that

2:10:02up long-term they're not going to have many jobs.

2:10:07make sure that's protected. The other thing we've

2:10:13don't want a hyperscale data center right down

2:10:17impacts with sound and everything else. Um but

2:10:22is misinformation. We have a lot of people who

2:10:28billion people's worth of water. Most of that

2:10:33from the chilling tower from those power. And

2:10:38that they pay for appropriate power as part

2:10:43prevents those issues and that significantly

2:10:47we protect the ground wells. If somebody has

2:10:52they need to make sure that there's some plan to

2:10:57they are using closed loop, which is typically

2:11:01because they're more efficient and that costs less

2:11:06if they do have to bring water out, we need to

2:11:11sure that's filtered and goes back in the system

2:11:15system. Same thing with power. we have a lot of

2:11:21actually at full capacity in Duke and they even

2:11:26power data center where we had that fluctuation

2:11:31with Dominion energy where they fluctuated for a

2:11:37data center cut out their power and put them

2:11:41that caused a change in the voltage and that

2:11:46That wasn't actually the data center's fault.

2:11:51having upgraded their infrastructure and making

2:11:57guess my big point here is that we just need to

2:12:01we're doing a proper analysis into what needs to

2:12:08I don't think a moratorium makes sense necessarily

2:12:14to make sure the plans there and communities

2:12:25Briana

2:12:28Briana Rap.

2:12:36Okay. Want to make sure and

2:12:49Hello, my name is Laura Love and I'm with the

2:12:55Gates, Orange, Watuga, Rowan, Swain, Northampton.

2:13:03They all have moratorum. and Northampton

2:13:11New Hill, Brevard, Wendell, Kings Mountain, Klay

2:13:21not a moratorum, but a ban. These places know that

2:13:29These places chose to take a breather to

2:13:34and the games it plays with people, water,

2:13:40County to follow in the footsteps of these

2:13:46cities, and towns. The North Carolina data

2:13:53center industry is an extractive industry. It

2:14:02land. It extra extracts health of the residents

2:14:11abut the property but those who live downwind or

2:14:20First off is the infrastructure that must be

2:14:26re rebuilt after 2 years of heavy construction

2:14:3310 hours a day, or the water infrastructure

2:14:38of gallons of water that the um data center

2:14:46that must be built for the one or two years of

2:14:53data centers try to extract wealth is through

2:14:59a jurisdiction. Data center companies look

2:15:04what they're looking for. But they make it seem

2:15:14They are a trillion. They are trillion

2:15:19might give them in economic incentives

2:15:25let's take a look at North Carolina.

2:15:30gawatt are built out the state stands

2:15:38uh earlier in the summer there was a bill passing

2:15:48The final bill comes at the end.

2:15:5110 to 15 years or never occupied um because of

2:15:59the land and demolishing the building. Thank

2:16:16I know your father.

2:16:20Everybody knows my dad. Um, hello. My name

2:16:26in Burlington, North Carolina. And I am for a

2:16:32Um, I am concerned about a lot of the issues

2:16:38general in our rural communities and especially

2:16:44the western Alamance area now and we like our

2:16:51uh for my home county and love it deeply and

2:16:56school and I've come back. Okay. Um, I'm a mother

2:17:04non-verbal. And one of the main ways to keep him

2:17:11purposeless noise affects him deeply.

2:17:17cause him to run away from the situation and

2:17:27if you could see his joy when he's out in nature

2:17:34being a part of it, um, you, uh, you would deeply

2:17:42spaces. I'm sorry, I don't mean to cry. um keeping

2:17:52droning noise that would affect our community

2:17:59My daughter um deeply loves all the wildlife

2:18:06salamanders and tapoles. And I don't want to ever

2:18:12that's just I I can't even describe that the

2:18:20just to have to keep her from the water um and the

2:18:28animals and nature as a life path and constantly

2:18:35the joy that it brings her. Um, please consider

2:18:43if you don't want it in your backyard, don't

2:18:52Entree,

2:18:59you're gonna have to move

2:19:08Thank you. All right. Um, good evening, y'all.

2:19:12this is um an important issue, but I and so

2:19:16the time to understand it. Um, so my name

2:19:21uh North Carolina. Um and a little bit about me,

2:19:28nerd. That that's what I do. Um uh I have a PhD

2:19:33professor at Elon University. Um so what I want to

2:19:38well, which are statistics and LLMs. So, uh,

2:19:46quotes, I'm going to clean it up a little bit, is

2:19:51there's darn lies, and there's statistics."

2:19:57and this is coming from a statistician, right? And

2:20:04can really um be morphed and um and manipulated in

2:20:12there is a famous paper that came out of George

2:20:18uh talking about um home prices and they wanted

2:20:24after these AI data centers and their initial

2:20:29that seems great right? All right problem solved.

2:20:35so fast. Um how many people are are um aware of of

2:20:41um before? So it's it's a what a confounder is

2:20:47the data that when that is incorporated into

2:20:52or the the effect changes in some way. And what

2:20:58um when you add in variables like the actual

2:21:03the the schools there, when you talk about all

2:21:09for them, you see that these home prices are

2:21:15um by these um AI data centers. So my this is

2:21:21I am in support of at least a two-year moratorum

2:21:26that are being made. We've seen these claims over

2:21:30um the cigarette industry, whether you want to

2:21:34things that people have said throughout um over

2:21:38and have someone who can uh actually analyze

2:21:44um to to parse out what the true effect is.

2:21:51new introduction of AI data data centers. Last

2:21:58one has mentioned is something like DeepSeek

2:22:02uh Deepseek models actually uses way less

2:22:08etc. It's the wild west of um AI um models

2:22:15uh very foolish to nail our mass uh nail

2:22:21uh model that they have for data data um centers.

2:22:38That's too cute. I'm short. It's okay.

2:22:45offer a different perspective. I am definitely

2:22:50not quite a different reason. My daughter is high

2:22:56She has a shunt in her head that um monitors and

2:23:04the rest of her body. She has extreme issues with

2:23:11brain damage she suffered she will stop breathing.

2:23:18we have electrical issues um because the grid is

2:23:26my daughter depends on water. She has a feeding

2:23:32If the power goes out, I'm in trouble, you

2:23:39very hurricane area. I have used my generator here

2:23:45because we've lost power, you know, numerous

2:23:51pressure because of all the infrastructure that's

2:23:56bigger generators in order to make sure that I

2:24:02We moved up here specifically from Florida because

2:24:08because Durham was terrifying. We lived in

2:24:14was cheaper. It was cleaner. And I'm seeing

2:24:19coming in and now the possibility of an of an

2:24:25in order to help keep my daughter alive. And

2:24:31impacts that that can cause. You know, we don't

2:24:37let alone children and adults and, you know,

2:24:45electricity and stuff like that in order to

2:24:50process is if we can postpone to make sure we know

2:24:58what the um impact is environmentally and stuff

2:25:05we're a single income family. I can't work. My

2:25:12anything like that because she's also non-verbal

2:25:18you know. So, I've chosen to homeschool her. I

2:25:24of that. You know, that's another terrifying

2:25:30sole provider of our family, you know. So, my

2:25:37of of everything that a data center could bring

2:25:43families because some of us don't have anywhere

2:26:07I'm Karen Fentress and I own a business here

2:26:13and we run a dozen computers and not one time in

2:26:18we use have we ever gotten a message that said,

2:26:23you've reached your limit. We we have plenty of

2:26:29need to do. What all of us think that we need to

2:26:35centers being built nationwide right now. We are

2:26:39massive data centers. What is it that needs to be

2:26:45flock cameras everywhere. Burlington has more flot

2:26:50the Tanganger Center or the Coliseum and use cash

2:26:55is headed towards some kind of tracking.

2:27:00a new car now without putting in your profile.

2:27:04for. This is creating our digital prison,

2:27:10And I think we need to push back. We need to know

2:27:14we were fine with just a North Carolina driver's

2:27:18right? Because they're going to centralize

2:27:22federal database. That is not what our country was

2:27:26of states. Now they're centralizing everything.

2:27:31car. They're going to be tied to where you shop.

2:27:34This is a social credit system coming. We need

2:27:39that's being extracted with the air and the water

2:27:43ramifications are insane. But these things

2:27:47push back in a big way, we're just handing over

2:28:04There's two.

2:28:15Oh, I called you and I don't think you came. Yeah,

2:28:31Good evening. My name is Kelly Hair. I live

2:28:35support a two-year moratorum on new data centers

2:28:40against technology or economic development,

2:28:44about our county before we have the information

2:28:48responsibly. Even tonight, we've heard a lot

2:28:52of AI data centers on our community. My work

2:28:58looking at the impacts of AI data set data

2:29:01my own behalf and not Elon Universities. My

2:29:05doing research on the positive and negative

2:29:09don't have all the answers. As someone who's not

2:29:14I can say that Alamance County needs at least two

2:29:20are not ordinary developments. They can require

2:29:25resources, substantial land use. A two-year

2:29:30It gives this board time to answer important

2:29:34use? Where would that water come from? How much

2:29:39that infrastructure? What noise standards would

2:29:43from homes? How do we protect our farmland,

2:29:48a lot to think about. A two-year moratorum gives

2:29:54utility providers, and potential developers time

2:29:59If after two years evidence shows that data

2:30:03regulations, then we can welcome that responsible

2:30:08we can't undo it. There's so much to learn

2:30:13centers. This is incredibly important decision

2:30:18support a two two-year moratorum, not because

2:30:23County deserves smart, responsible, and informed

2:30:43Good evening. I am Courtney Royster of Burlington,

2:30:49graduate of Cummings High School. I'm

2:30:53what I'm going to ask for is a two-year

2:31:00and just some thoughts for just some things for

2:31:05protect the people, listen to the people.

2:31:09before haven't reflected that. So, at least do

2:31:21information and you u attorney Stevens you have

2:31:30you can read on that. I I don't necessarily want

2:31:35want to hear me do that but I I'll talk about

2:31:41important to have in the moratorum based on what

2:31:46board look at various ways to limit regulation

2:31:54this I included the required statements in the

2:32:00necessitate the action in this case the moratorum

2:32:05subject to the moratorium. So what are the things

2:32:09to not allow data centers to be built for some

2:32:15uh termination points and also some actions like a

2:32:22about from county staff what we're going to try

2:32:27the county to limit data centers in general

2:32:33that's what we've done. We've made sure to comply

2:32:37board before, we're not here necessarily tonight

2:32:40to decide whether we want to figure out how to fix

2:32:45do that. I know that folks have said tonight

2:32:51Uh when I drafted this uh I said that 6 months

2:32:57about what would take place and what we need to do

2:33:03certainly open to the board's discretion as far

2:33:08I just want to caution the board, however, that

2:33:13period for county staff to think about ways to

2:33:20It can't just be a pause just for the sake of a

2:33:24county action taking place during the moratorum.

2:33:30county is just sloww walking this on purpose by

2:33:35more years but there's no action taking place they

2:33:40to resend the moratorum. So I want to be careful

2:33:46time to buy ourselves way more time than we might

2:33:51a reasonable way. So, um, I've heard two years. I

2:33:59probably longer than necessary. Um, but I'm happy

2:34:04the board might see fit. I'm also happy to answer

2:34:10extended. If at a year or six months or a year

2:34:15on this, we can extend the moratorum." Or if

2:34:22change, which who knows, uh then we could

2:34:27"Okay, it's been a year." Um and we do not want

2:34:33that's right. So, the moratorium is designed to

2:34:38period. The board could decide to change that.

2:34:43period and then come back and extend it uh based

2:34:49like I said before, the statute's designed

2:34:53not just to say we're not going to do anything for

2:34:58an outright ban or having a moratorum period for a

2:35:09Madam Chair, got a question for Rick. Um,

2:35:17could we insert a 60-day trigger before the

2:35:25where we are and make a decision on whether or

2:35:29that's kind of the way I've drafted it so far.

2:35:34have to take certain actions and studying and

2:35:39Um there's not a hard deadline at the end of the

2:35:45certainly we could certainly do that. But the way

2:35:50definite time without some action by the board to

2:35:57commissioner outside of Alamance County, and

2:36:03me was setting up districts within the county,

2:36:10bring in the people in those particular school

2:36:14direct input to us at various times on what

2:36:20we've gleaned at that point in time with our

2:36:27the board wants to hear is great. Um, and I also

2:36:32going to be studying the different types of data

2:36:37um might be uh effective based on the way that

2:36:43we have time to study the nuances of it to

2:36:47to consider. Now, as I understand it too, we have

2:36:56centers such that we can require things like

2:37:01several of us were on a tour this morning with

2:37:08bringing in the fire regularly bringing the

2:37:12be aware of what's going on. But they have two

2:37:16proximity to them if we were to have a data center

2:37:24can we require them to support and maintain a fire

2:37:31question. I don't have a definite answer. Um, I'll

2:37:36kind of naive to some of those types of questions

2:37:40this moratorum effectively. But those are the

2:37:44one-year period or whatever the period of time is.

2:37:49types of questions moving forward. We've heard

2:37:53those are on I think all of our list of uh things

2:38:00I mean, we don't want to lose infrastructure. We

2:38:07I I've read extensively and I've also asked other

2:38:15going to allow a data center and what they're I

2:38:20rules and regulations they have put on that. So um

2:38:28uh about it. But I think we do need to put a

2:38:37I question. I think the ordinance is very well

2:38:46particular though, I'd like to know if we have

2:38:51who's going to be studying because I didn't see

2:38:57an important thing. You know, who sees it for what

2:39:04not sure that it's going to be entirely county

2:39:09it's the work program. It's what we're going

2:39:12to try to uncover. Um, gives some timelines

2:39:18in determining what kind of regulations we're

2:39:24of data centers and be able to classify those

2:39:29I think, is really going to be doing a lot of this

2:39:34our permitting staff and inspection staff as well.

2:39:39now is building permits. So, making sure that we

2:39:45permits as might be needed to build the data

2:39:50I agree with those uh, those folks being involved.

2:39:58information on a balanced basis. You know, we both

2:40:03good and some and not good with the way things

2:40:08country. Some are bad, some are horrible. Uh

2:40:14I think that's something we need to consider. Um

2:40:19if we're going to be involving um contractors

2:40:23to spend on that type of thing up front. So,

2:40:27don't have a budget for this project. That's

2:40:30that moratorum period. We need to think about

2:40:34set some benchmarks in terms of reporting out. Um

2:40:41to a house of representative and the house passed

2:40:47the Senate yet, some rules and regulations for uh

2:40:53us to also get that and see what they are saying.

2:40:59that's that's true. The state regulatory framework

2:41:04regulatory framework related to everything we do

2:41:09something for us to think about as well. Um, I

2:41:15County, um, the big Vietnam Benfast Company

2:41:23the state, Chattam County was going to invest $400

2:41:29the county and them. Well, they've gone bankrupt

2:41:35is suing them because of the millions of dollars

2:41:41of North Carolina incentives. But just to let you

2:41:50And if you've ever looked this up online, it looks

2:41:55plowed because it's ski land and nothing is there.

2:42:02Mary Oaks Baptist Church which stood on the border

2:42:08and New Alm Church Road since 1888 was met with

2:42:18the highway. The church along with 27 homes and

2:42:25imminent domain to make a way for the North

2:42:30plan. So all this great, oh, it's just going to be

2:42:35and there's going to be all this stuff. It always

2:42:39you what data centers are going to be for y'all

2:42:45is so tacky. This is called a carrot. and they

2:42:53you to believe what they want. We're gonna have

2:43:00this board 2020, we got elected. I've been pushing

2:43:05and it comes back to us and gets sent back

2:43:10better so we can do this right because they're

2:43:20we cannot I don't think less than a year because

2:43:26this. Maybe we are not the people to do this

2:43:32a farm. I think she's gone. She was so precious

2:43:37She said, "I don't know about data centers, but

2:43:41about the people in this county and I care

2:43:45I want smart people doing whatever it is we need

2:43:52"Hang around people much smarter than you are

2:43:56time I'm on this board. So, I'm just telling

2:44:01this because I thought, Lord, just give me to five

2:44:06for a permit because I've watched Mororrow Mill

2:44:13We don't know devastation till something like this

2:44:18county. Just my opinion. And so don't forget they

2:44:25and this non-disclosure mess. I can put my life on

2:44:32that to this county. I don't think these people

2:44:41on. I know Kelly. I know Steve's in my Sunday

2:44:47preacher. But we will we'll be okay on that. But

2:44:53screw this up. This is big time. And I look at I

2:44:59like Mid America all the way up here and it looks

2:45:04that lady that talked about um data. What is it?

2:45:10Where is she's got great brown hair. I saw her.

2:45:16of a sudden do we need to know all this and that

2:45:22scary to people. It's like who is playing with our

2:45:28if I get arrested tonight, somebody go my

2:45:34be played like this. If I be out there with a

2:45:38than this. And if that's what they want, go for

2:45:44precious and we got to be really careful to keep

2:45:48we would be. And God bless Greensboro. We

2:45:53Commissioner Powell, you have anything

2:46:01Now, I've I've been to a lot of public hearings.

2:46:08the comments were in one direction. Yeah. I mean,

2:46:15mind. And not only um you know is it this group

2:46:26are doing the same thing. I w uh when I got up

2:46:32talking about Greensboro also doing a moratorium.

2:46:40you on the surface it seems like bringing in

2:46:46a county. They pay taxes uh a lot of taxes and

2:46:56about balanced growth where you can balance,

2:47:03of maintaining residences, it sounds like a really

2:47:11you know, until we can figure out uh what needs

2:47:19with something that's not right, u then I think

2:47:25a moratorum. And I also agree with the moratorum.

2:47:33attorney Stevens to research, look it up and uh

2:47:41do and a lot of people don't realize this, it has

2:47:47exactly correct um or they take you to court and

2:47:54it looks like we're moving slowly, but we are

2:48:01but also to be able to stand behind our decision

2:48:09Commissioner, well, I agree. I moratorum is the

2:48:16with a trigger for at a 60 60day from termination

2:48:24to continue it or whether reached a point where

2:48:28to make a decision um or whether or not to allow

2:48:37uh of zoning and we look at our concern has been

2:48:45Haido. I don't know if anybody knows what that

2:48:50a Haido is a heavy industry development ordinance.

2:48:57of us are happy with them, I don't believe. Um

2:49:03do because of some restrictions on what the county

2:49:09So when somebody says we've already decided

2:49:13to vote for something after the election, we're

2:49:20talking about zoning now. But if we can get

2:49:29consequences that we can reg when when somebody

2:49:35there's going to be some serious consequences

2:49:43That's what we want to where we want to get, I

2:49:48um the heavy the uniform development ordinance. We

2:49:56keep keep these postage stamp lots from popping

2:50:02and sucking up water. So, we've got to do we've

2:50:09to help our citizens out and we're working on

2:50:15um, it takes a while, but it's not I don't think

2:50:20some stuff to look at. Commissioner, well, I'm on

2:50:27reasons. I think Mr. Stephen has put it together

2:50:34Not make the assumptions that they're often

2:50:40for Alamance County uh with the due diligence

2:50:49And the the third point and final point on this

2:50:54in the open. non-disclosure agreements never

2:51:01government on the whole. Well, none of us have

2:51:06everything up and above board and as many open

2:51:13the school sessions are a good idea. Uh so,

2:51:19that. Okay. Um I need a motion if everyone's of

2:51:26moratorum. You like me to make the motion the

2:51:33it and then we'll Well, let me just let me just

2:51:39which again is the work program, I had various

2:51:46I've extended each of those. I've doubled each of

2:51:52from 60 days to 120 days. Under section two from

2:52:00240 days. And then I've added one paragraph at the

2:52:06of the moratorium, the county shall consider

2:52:10to its development regulations and or whether

2:52:15period of time. and for the moratorum itself

2:52:22changes is the board I think we need to go to

2:52:29and we're looking at a one-year moratorum is

2:52:35we would be going through the summer once again.

2:52:42don't I don't want us I don't want to restrict us

2:52:48for consideration respectfully I said at least

2:52:53us some flexibility but I also don't want to cut

2:52:58saying is effectively we want to do something 30

2:53:04before it ends then we really only have 10 months

2:53:09us too much. Does that make sense? Yes. So, with

2:53:16I have in the current draft. If you want to make a

2:53:21I'll second. No. Go ahead. I'll second. All those

2:53:34We need the sheriff to come up here to the

2:53:40statement on these and if they are non-matching

2:54:00quite a night, hasn't it? Yes, it has.

2:54:06of the commissioners to apply for two

2:54:12what are these grants for?" Let me just touch on

2:54:20of all, we our detention center is full and

2:54:30we are 31 more people short in the Alman County

2:54:38people are asking us to do. Well, there was uh

2:54:47but guess what? You got to have digital storage

2:54:55this is happening. And that's why the Department

2:55:02billion for grant for local law enforcement. And

2:55:11grant, $5.2 million for Alamance County. You say,

2:55:21Workforce stabilization and retention sign on

2:55:31Retention bonuses for 291 employees would be

2:55:40sworn detention and civilian getting a bonus and

2:55:47"Well, Sheriff, that's a lot of money for these

2:55:52are so short of people, we're losing more people

2:55:59them half to death all the time and putting them

2:56:06out on the highway. We also asked for jail annex

2:56:16$75,000. You say, "What do you mean uh

2:56:22let me tell you something, folks. If we

2:56:28off the floor in Alamance County, you and I

2:56:38Uh roof replacement $75,000. They

2:56:46uh Perimeter security fencing need to

2:56:54$340,000 access control door system replacement

2:57:08Central camera system upgrade 500,000. This is

2:57:17not have to provide for us to get these things.

2:57:25lot of things uh said about, you know, when you

2:57:29get body cameras? We'd asked for them three years

2:57:34now we technically do not have the storage for the

2:57:44instance, 700 approximately 700 body camera uh uh

2:57:59uh 700 a day, 5,000 a week of camera footage that

2:58:10on our employees that, you know, somebody may

2:58:17does not have that storage. We have a chance here

2:58:27I'm asking you to be able to apply

2:58:34$400,000 grant to apply for the governor's crime

2:58:42whole system here in the county as far as

2:58:48uh worn out and we're going to have to replace

2:58:54take these two grants and save our taxpayers tons

2:59:02to do something in the next year or the next year

2:59:10situation that we at the sheriff's office finds

2:59:17give me permission to proceed with these grants

2:59:22to get y'all's approval. That's why we before

2:59:29directed more to Miss Thompson who wanted this to

2:59:35What What's the problem with what you're asking

2:59:41there isn't a problem. But I'm going to tell you

2:59:50when we were looking at body cameras that we had

2:59:55what we were told. Um the money you're looking

3:00:02have. I totally understand that. I really do. But

3:00:10you at that annex last year. Sam, you did. I spoke

3:00:16crimes against children conference and I wanted to

3:00:28is what you wanted the ICE program to pay for

3:00:36Alamance County inmates and put them over there

3:00:42were all like, "Wait a minute. Let me finish first

3:00:46spend this ICE money on that jail annex, but you

3:00:52County inmates over there, not your ICE inmates.

3:00:59this kind of money for a roof repair when you

3:01:06painting 6,000 security door locks 110,000. HVAC

3:01:16300,000 all of a sudden you need a higher fence

3:01:23question sheriff because I've done interviews in

3:01:29I've done that. I've done them at your over at

3:01:34And I know you have people on the floor because

3:01:38were open. You got rid of that and then you've

3:01:44had some situation situation this weekend and one

3:01:51That's a jail. I understand that. But my concern

3:01:57for people. This county has given you $300,000

3:02:06something whenever you had your drug conversation.

3:02:13all your people going to to other places for money

3:02:21were having to work overtime getting called back

3:02:25something. Let me tell you, you wouldn't be around

3:02:29Sheriff. But you keep getting these additional

3:02:34short and people keep leaving. That's my question.

3:02:40You stop the bonuses now. You stop bonuses. You

3:02:47raises whenever co C co was going on. There's just

3:02:52some of the highest paid detention officers in the

3:02:58Well, who's making more than us? I look at some

3:03:02governor's crime commission. They say, "Man,

3:03:07All I am trying to do is run a sheriff's office

3:03:16we are working very hard. Our people are

3:03:24I'm sorry that you feel this way, but I have

3:03:30commissioners didn't have money in this budget

3:03:35Well, why didn't you apply for a grant for body

3:03:42matching money and y'all would not match

3:03:47to get you body cameras? Because they are that

3:03:52remember you voted two times against giving

3:03:57record. You told us that you did you pulled out

3:04:03Well, and you got guns from the ICE program.

3:04:08you getting guns from your ICE program, which

3:04:16understand this is not like running a business

3:04:23We have to have technology. The technology

3:04:30it is not cheap. Nothing's cheap, but lives aren't

3:04:37body cameras. Can I get back to my original

3:04:42sure are talking a whole lot. You're attacking the

3:04:46want him safe. I want I had a question that you're

3:04:52Ed. Be careful. Yeah. Thanks for the warning.

3:04:58for the warning. I asked the sheriff why where's

3:05:02things downstream in the past. What's the problem

3:05:08can't say yeah go ahead and apply for the money?

3:05:13say here it our commissioners have approved

3:05:21What does it cost us? Where's the controversy? It

3:05:26we have more money for your program. Exactly. It's

3:05:36there was an event. And there's no Let me say

3:05:42either where the county will have to come back

3:05:49Alamance County has needed before I become sheriff

3:05:56knew Alamance County is a growing county. People

3:06:03people that are moving here is the type of people

3:06:08elements. And we are responsible, the sheriff of

3:06:16that detention center. And I am trying to be as

3:06:27and try to provide for them and sleeping on the

3:06:35I'd be pretty ill and I'd be giving the staff

3:06:40happening here. Madam Chair, one last question.

3:06:47Is Michael Graves? No, ma'am. Okay. I'd like to

3:06:54that ain't part of the grant. Okay.

3:06:57approve item 6H and item 6 I. Second. All

3:07:07I'm not going to oppose it. I just have questions

3:07:15grants. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yes. No

3:07:22you do. I would like to amen so much. I would like

3:07:28a letter signed by the commissioners might in

3:07:38expeditious on approving the grant and that we

3:07:44sign it. Okay. Uh Attorney Stevens, can you take

3:07:50it. I'd suggest that rather than amending the

3:07:55agenda and you can consider it. vote on it then.

3:08:00he's going to send the DR the grant request off. I

3:08:06for the commissioners. Uh Congressman Hudson has

3:08:14tonight. Yeah, there's a deadline on the grant.

3:08:20all of us sign it or Well, that slow if that slows

3:08:27up to the sheriff. If he wants it, fine. You do?

3:08:35They know this. Okay. All right. So, now we have

3:08:44you. Now we have county attorney. Does anyone have

3:08:49Steven? Nothing more for me tonight. Thank you,

3:08:54that. No close session. County managers report.

3:09:01had the commissioner's comments, but does anybody

3:09:07just like to thank all of the fire departments,

3:09:13put out at my for my dad's former warehouse at

3:09:20were on the news. All right. All to adjourn.

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