2026-07-20 - Board of Commissioners

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01:04Alamance County is pleased to present the

01:12We're going to call the meeting to order

01:16pledge is by Commissioner Park tonight.

01:26Father God, as we pursue the business of

01:30we seek your guidance and direction for the

01:37and protection for safety for the citizens uh in

01:44everybody safe as they travel home and uh keep

01:49proceeding and dear Lord we ask you to keep all

01:56and your presence in our lives and all that said

02:05ask this all in Jesus name. Amen. Thank you.

02:14to the flag of the United States of America

02:21One nation under God, indivisible,

02:34So, I need to uh get a motion unless anyone

02:40for tonight. So, move. Second. All those

02:48um citizens can speak. Um you speak for

02:54please finish the sentence you're on and return

03:01you have the same things to discuss. Uh if you

03:07uh for you, that's great. Uh if not,

03:12state your name and address, and the timer

03:22Good evening. My name is Charles Gupton and

03:29an email to each of you this past Thursday and my

03:35you forwarded it to the division 7 office of DOT

03:43replied to each of you. The replies that you've

03:49a copy and paste of the responses that he's been

03:56uh getting in touch with he and his his assistant

04:05the in the community of Gleno is that the speed

04:11we believe is far higher than it needs to be. I've

04:18section to 35 from 45 and the the response has

04:27support it but mainly that they intend to put a

04:32at Gleno old Gleno road in 62 and that when that

04:39of highway. My question is, do you know anybody

04:45a mile before they get to a stoplight or that they

04:53No one slows down and it it just defies logic.

05:01after the end of the evening have a summary, but

05:06that the blind curve that is most dangerous

05:13recommendation for a sight line for a driver going

05:20that intersection in in the area 55 to 60 miles an

05:26seconds from the time they can see a car to having

05:34count and there are periods where we're getting

05:39dump trucks, concrete mixers a day coming through

05:48there many years ago, it was probably getting

05:53my understanding. I think that's a consideration

05:59to the other safety concerns. When I've talked

06:04indicated to me that um and I also sent each of

06:12the community expressing their concerns of danger

06:19is that she said the stories don't matter. She's

06:24data. But all the data that she has given me has

06:30to drive fast herself and doesn't see a point

06:40Deborah Marshall. Thank you for letting me

06:46live on Highway 62. Now, Charles was talking about

06:56to Old Gleno Road that crosses Highway 62. I live

07:05request to him was whether we could get a blind

07:14sitting in my driveway, you can't see down the

07:22you roll the window down, you listen, or in

07:28up the hill. In the 40 years I've been there,

07:36but they all send seem to hit the people that are

07:44trucks coming in the driveways or going out

07:50could reduce the speed limit through there. My

07:58are building 300 residential homes on one side

08:05this stop light. But when you get that many cars

08:12coming up the hill, you're going to get a a lot

08:20I would greatly appreciate it. and thank you

08:27Mark Payne.

08:34Um, at the risk of piling on here, um, my wife

08:44our house is uh right at the the junction of Gleno

08:52Hall River Bridge, you go 50 feet and turn up

08:58from the road. Um, I can hon I mean, we've lived

09:07tell you if there's one car out of 10 that passes

09:15miracle. Our police department could sit there

09:23every five minutes. They're huge logging trucks,

09:31And I've never really driven a truck that size.

09:37that's dieseling when they downshift. A very, very

09:46down that hill. And they come whistling around

09:54pull out on Gleno Street and the Hall River Bridge

10:01uh area on on the other side going towards Caswell

10:11When you turn this way to look for traffic,

10:20your foot on a gas pedal and get out in the road,

10:27that you never saw and will be right up on your

10:33have cussed me all the way up that hill because I

10:40except for the ones who pass you on the bridge.

10:47so, um, I just any attention that you can give to

10:55or 10 fender benders out there every year. Um,

11:01that one of their stupid cell phone pictures or

11:07that intersection. You cannot you cannot see a

11:15and you can easily go that fast that through that

11:21speed being a danger is not the issue. The issue

11:29a vehicle coming around that corner. Um, and

11:35on a daily basis getting out of there. And so

11:42sincerely appreciate it. And thank you so much

12:00Denise, I just recognized you. How have you been

12:06break the mold. My name is Denise Hegman. I live

12:12simply to ask one question and make a comment

12:18approached in the past, say, three to five

12:25to see if you're willing as the commissioners of

12:32County save our Sesquentennial Park? We have. They

12:41was told that there was no response. No, I think

12:48told that there was no response. So, my question

12:54I know Mr. Powell has probably heard for sure

12:58voted to sell that little park by public auction.

13:08the county can do or is willing to do like they

13:19park and that's really all we had to say. This is

13:28right around the corner there. We don't, you know,

13:34to stop the clock one second. Well, um, there are

13:41any of those tonight, but um, the county can

13:48a public sale. But as far as going to Graham and

13:55that is not No, we certainly don't have any

14:01with its property. And I I understand that. I

14:09um wondering if there was any possibility that

14:13we as the citizens have begged and done all we

14:20taken it away from us and I was told by city

14:28we were told at the last meeting you want to go

14:33go with you and help you I reminded him of that

14:40told I won't be there after he said he'd help.

14:47that out and if anybody has any suggestions,

14:58Ramona Allen

15:18Good evening. Ramona Allen. Um, Burlington,

15:24I just came as a voice today. I spoke with some

15:34Okay, I just came as a voice today from the

15:39conversations about so many different things, but

15:46before I got here, a county uh employee um was

15:52that they've lost benefits. Some of them has lost

15:57of how money has not been um allocated properly.

16:05even hold their jobs down. And so the words I'm

16:11tell them we suffer in silence. Um some of them

16:17on a place that they they're barely having a job.

16:24that sit in the seats, um, we got to do better.

16:30suffering. Um, and it's easy for us to walk out

16:35have to hear folks that have families that they

16:40older people are telling me they're losing their

16:45afford to pay for their their mortgages. And so,

16:51she's moving with her family in a whole another

16:56we do what we do. Um, and why we are in the seats

17:03said to let you know, that's what they I'm just

17:10that that they suffer in silence and they're

17:15for them to receive what they need. It's all I

17:32Good evening, chair and commissioners. I

17:35And for the record, I'm Sha Yuing, a member of

17:40decisions made in this room ripple out across

17:47by talking about timing because it seems to be the

17:52moving forward right now with countywide zoning

17:59We need these protections in place today. Instead,

18:04game. And let's be honest, holding off on zoning

18:09fooling anyone. The issues we are facing aren't

18:14running. The data center certainly aren't waiting

18:19should our zoning policies. We altogether need to

18:26how to tackle these tough issues head-on, we don't

18:30the Alamance County Planning Board. During their

18:36with incredible professionalism and dedication as

18:42difficult truths. They showed up to work, plain

18:48exact same decisive energy here. Speaking of doing

18:54address the recent library committee appointments.

18:59highly qualified individuals to serve on that

19:04that all the council recommended, and it was

19:09to pass over those individuals that our city

19:15municipalities offer a hand and provide strong

19:20we should be building those bridges. Please,

19:25to do here in Alamance County from protecting

19:29sure our community boards reflect the best folks

19:33road until after the election season and let's

19:38time and you'll have a great evening. Thank

19:49Good evening, Commissioner. Scott Ward, living

19:56I would like to echo the concerns of the uh

20:02the park. I would love to see if the county

20:06make the city of Graham to buy that piece of

20:11just put a bench over there to turn it into some

20:18the history we have here in this county.

20:23stand up for is to speak in opposition to what

20:30I am not in favor of more regulation to stop

20:37already. The government that governs best is

20:42more rules for data centers. Data centers are run

20:49If they I if if electricity is costing if they're

20:55that electricity. If they are using too much

21:00if they live out in the county, that's a

21:04high impact land use, and you can certainly have

21:10market is going to manage that is going to it's

21:14data centers you see that are being built right

21:20next to them to make sure they aren't having the

21:25are having. There's also been I'm also curious

21:31complaints about data centers. Data centers have

21:37weeks, but decades. There's a data center just a

21:43That's all it does. This building has a data

21:49used to call them server farms. Now, they don't

21:56your Netflix. You go to Amazon, you want to uh you

22:03you want to get an emergency text, it's coming

22:09would say that that further regulation is not a

22:17now to to govern what we have and what's coming.

22:25kill future business just because a few people got

22:34from marketing material hosted on social media

22:42that's all I have to say. Commissioners, thank you

23:00My timing is good.

23:04So anyway, my name is Peter Childers. I live on

23:13out in the unincorporated area. Been there

23:19Uh I'm going to speak again on what has become a

23:24fronts. Drinking water security in the rural

23:31on groundwater aquifers for wellwater. The two

23:39Each requires millions of gallons of clean

23:45mistaken. Data centers are to support AI and are

23:53jobs. Kevin Sasser's Mororrow Mill 450 home mega

24:02has the real potential to use about 4 to 5 million

24:09can easily use many more millions of gallons of

24:16has shown these levels of use are sustainable and

24:23up with the level of draw down especially during

24:30has not yet shown he is a good neighbor as this

24:36at risk. He is being offered to sell part of

24:42of North Carolina with added cash from donations

24:48of homes needing wellwater, create a larger area

24:55and provide a conservation area for all of

25:00Kevin Sasser for loss of profit potential and

25:06one commissioner has Kevin Sasser's contact

25:11So these are issues that require development

25:17calling on commissioners to vote on a moratorum

25:23construction to give the wider community a chance

25:30time to be sitting on your hands. Appreciate

25:43You were close. I was Tom Shopler Morill

25:52the I wasn't going to talk about data centers

25:59I think some points of clarification are needed.

26:03earlier. There are data centers everywhere, but

26:07size of the data center. And the data centers that

26:14centers. They're they're nothing compared to what

26:19ones running AI are ginormous. They're huge. And

26:28extremely high. I'm we're we're worried about uh

26:36a month. We're talking 500 million gallons a month

26:43get their power from solar out out in the desert.

26:51night anyway and they run 24/7. So I I just felt

26:59guys need to put a break on it just so you have

27:06isn't. Not against development. I've told each

27:11it. I I've also in those conversations, you each

27:20of development ordinances. Yet at the planning

27:31were specifically they were specifically told not

27:39until after the election. Now, I'm wondering,

27:44or do you think that voting for it before the

27:49I don't know the answer to that. I'm sure you

27:57is that you need to take time to figure out how

28:07to be developed so that it makes sense. All of

28:14worry about it. You're covered by zoning in every

28:20the county that are not covered. and they need to

28:26your terminology and you guys really should

28:38I I don't believe his development will be

28:45coming right behind it with the same issues. the

28:52would consider it seriously instead of just

29:05Uh, hello, my name is Aiden McDuffy and my address

29:11discuss a possible moratorium on data centers.

29:20um about the data the moratorum on data centers

29:31it's just pausing them long enough to

29:38can they've been around forever yes but they

29:45so I want to thank you for bringing up and

29:49they arrive in Alamance County. Um, and even if we

29:55uh, I'm strongly in favor of them because I

30:00for ensuring their effectiveness when we

30:05how many of you like the situation we're in

30:11Um, so this type of proactivity is exactly what

30:18coming up in the future. Um, according to the

30:24Environmental Sciences, a medium-sized data center

30:30for cooling, equivalent to the daily water usage

30:36water usually comes from drinking water sources

30:40to the same report from the University of Georgia,

30:48it's because they're almost identical to what's

30:53why can't this moratorum also include other

30:59such as largecale housing developments

31:08my printer wouldn't work today. Um, according

31:15can be used when there are insufficient public

31:20as inadequate water supply or wastewater treatment

31:27the counties surrounding it are currently in

31:31severe. So there are conditions that warrant

31:38wells could run dry, directly hurting the farmers

31:43it could cause more people to in turn uh sell

31:49suitability and profit, thus recreating the same

31:54and over again in a continuous spiral. So I'll

32:00on data centers also address other large water

32:06if not why and what other approaches can be

32:25Hello. Hello. It's so good to see you again.

32:30the Haw River, uh, town of Hall River Museum,

32:35Thanks for hosting us. You're welcome. Um, so

32:40executive director at Haw River Assembly. And

32:45I've had the pleasure and honor of working with

32:51our river and the communities that we serve and

32:56for 10 years now. And the faces have changed,

33:01same mission. Um, so I just wanted to introduce

33:06you and kind of give some context for some of the

33:11Um, so a little bit of context, you all are

33:16in Swepsonville have dealt with. Um, so we

33:24sourced from sledgefields or a pre-regulatory

33:31wells around the Sweptsonville area. For context,

33:39of PAS is too high. Levels that we saw coming

33:45parts per trillion. So this was a crisis. We

33:50members. We provided temporary solutions and then

33:57uh move forward on funding proposal to include to

34:04provide long-term solutions. So even though

34:09would give anything to move it faster because

34:14um I want to commend the staff at Alamance County

34:20summary of a little bit of what we do. But we are

34:28the entire county is part of the Haw River

34:33threats to our river. So that includes unchecked

34:38do not have zoning. We do not have a sediment

34:46um if we don't have zoning to have regulation

34:52development in these areas, we're going to have

34:57high de density developments are going in close

35:03the existing communities that are there have water

35:08moving in have safe water because once groundwater

35:14remediate. So I really want to stress the idea

35:21but to protect our communities. Um also just

35:28we're working to put moratoriums in place in all

35:34because we want to ban data centers. We don't

35:40and protect our resources. North Carolina doesn't

35:45we have to have policies in place to make sure our

35:50My name's Emily Sutton. Thank you. So next we have

35:59a comment and uh so I would um I think I'll start

36:11clerk to the commissioner's board went back

36:17we were told about the park and they actually

36:22thinking about putting in a park up there. And

36:27sounds like a nice idea and a way uh to honor the

36:35assist with any money, or give them any money for

36:43Graham, and I'm sorry, um, that I kind of threw

36:49uh, I did want to get his opinion that as of, you

36:55or no say over what the city of Graham any more

37:01with their property. And secondly, um uh you have

37:10been ignoring that. Uh we have all talked uh to

37:16is a new father um and is out u to be with his

37:25about trying to put some bite into our subdivision

37:31no bite in our ordinances. In fact, there's

37:37with subdivisions. And if I'm wrong, correct

37:43ideas and that the commissioners have come up with

37:50ago when Amy Gaye was on and it had some things

37:58not very what's the word I can use residential

38:09have been asking them because we think it would be

38:15go ahead and work on putting some bite in the

38:21that we've come up with and those ordinances for

38:27and zoning and the town of River has planning and

38:34to be really careful what you put down how you

38:41asked them and to please look at the subdivisions

38:47and then go from there. And also the comment about

38:54are having trouble struggling keeping their homes

39:00and we have not put anyone out of a home that's

39:07and some land but I finish this sentence. We uh we

39:17at the old courthouse stated she was against

39:24and property taxes. how this county gets money to

39:31we and employees that we have to take care of.

39:43Hey, I like Scott's comment that governments best

39:51Happy and proud for that. Tom, you you got it

39:59planned, conspired to about the election. This

40:06on that. And I think ordinances can address

40:12it's not despite the election. It's what needs

40:19to a moratorum on on development particularly of

40:27you know, they they take a lot of water. But let's

40:33in terms of data centers. On the aggregate in

40:40more money to water golf courses than we do data

40:48let's not get out of proportion with it. There

40:52positive, and it's the size. is quite right. And

40:58data centers. These data centers ones recycle

41:04even use water to cool their plants. So,

41:14I'm all in favor of exploring and studying

41:19running whole hog into saying these things

41:2570s when everybody was against nuclear power,

41:30but a nuclear power site would have been the

41:35have instead of there was a paranoia about nuclear

41:40it's one of the the recyclable power systems

41:46I'm all in favor of listening. I think we ought

41:51It's the same thing with zoning. I think we

41:55a whole sequence that at some point I'd like the

42:00hearings on these matters. We can't just decide

42:06other point is ban these kind of plants. We

42:10We need hearings and we need to consider it

42:18There's a lot said here tonight. Um, I I fall back

42:27Miss Allen made a comment again that uh she didn't

42:37in the county at a higher rate of pay. I guess

42:42money. And then she other side of her mouth, she

42:46making enough money to pay their taxes. Not

42:55uh Chair Allen said, we haven't foreclosed on

43:02County. We don't try to do that, but we do have

43:08is an extremely difficult budget for us and the

43:13facing that not just in Alamance County but across

43:18Guilford have been all over the news with the

43:22now. It's tight. It's tough to not raise taxes

43:29needs. We're the ones who have to try and

43:34to keep you have employees to service your needs.

43:43in an inflationary environment. People say to us,

43:49lived in the same county we operate Alamance

43:53the cost of running Alamance County? It's gone up.

44:03fortunately, we're finding out or hearing that

44:07much higher than they did in the last week out.

44:11and probably help our property owners out, too.

44:16rebal won't be effective until January. So, we're

44:23Hopefully, it'll be a little bit better and

44:27businesses, and on the employees in next year's

44:36I appreciate everybody coming in and sharing with

44:44Highway 62 issue, of course, that's not a county

44:54u maybe Charles would like to do is is get

45:01the standpoint the staff can uh do anything uh to

45:11looked at. I think it would be good. Uh, one thing

45:18recently, perhaps where you're coming down um from

45:29have a blinking caution light with congest one of

45:37But you're you're coming across the bridge uh

45:44turn in to the Glenco village there. Uh, but, uh,

45:54uh, get traffic's attention that that's

45:59for and not speed through. Um, I' I'd like to

46:07uh, here in Graham. um that that park was uh was

46:19of GR. And uh that wall on the side there on the

46:28$50,000 to put those bricks there. And I'd love

46:39And uh there's going to I understand Graham

46:46Uh perhaps we can get an individual or someone

46:56keeping it as a park would be would be great. So

47:03the county has a part in that, but uh I would love

47:16we're going to talk about the data center

47:24but there's several issues there that I'

47:29And on countywide zoning, um, that's an

47:36years and and we need to we need to continue

47:48Thank you, Commissioner Thompson. Well, it seems

47:57just a different zip code. Um, Glen Co Road.

48:05some kind of traffic light out near Southeast High

48:10Mall into a field and new driver buses, parents

48:15there. There were head-ons. There were all kind of

48:21You'll see it from Alexander Wilson all the way

48:26way. Um I know Mark and Freda, they live right on

48:33And the thing of it is is whenever um I think

48:38300 residential home site that was being built.

48:44trucks, there's your everything going to build.

48:50more kids, more schools, more everything. Um

49:01the data centers is kind of like another

49:06I'm the one that requested the conversation

49:11I'm seeing counties everywhere around us putting

49:16are doing the same thing and the the big enormous

49:22a whole different ballgame than what Almetz County

49:27Um but you ha we cannot keep um thinking it's just

49:34that just doesn't work. And that's why we always

49:38to everything because uh it's like that stoplight

49:43been accidents and finally when there's a death,

49:48can't reverse all that. It's done. And then that

49:53every time that comes through there. Probably why

49:58They have to lose their life to get a stoplight.

50:02the side of the road. You know, that's where

50:05I just want our county just to be smart with

50:13see that in so many aspects of so many departments

50:20much later. Um it's like a teenager just I'll get

50:26have time to think about it because later always

50:32and mad because this is built in their backyard

50:38instead of having to try and react. I think

50:43like a restraining order. It's piece of paper.

50:47sometimes that doesn't always happen. So um that's

50:54about data centers. I'll just say this, Erin

51:03she don't mess around. And he fixed an industry

51:08the chemicals they were putting in their water.

51:14moving on, I need uh a um motion motion to approve

51:22everyone in favor? Hi. Uh, okay. And we're moving

51:32the library committee for the city of Graham and

51:38McKini who are on the committee now be um put back

51:48um Debbie Johnson who is on the committee now. And

51:57I need a second. Second. Are you going to do them

52:02I separated them out, but sounds like

52:08Yeah. Uh do you want to discuss Grahams or

52:16to make a nomination that we um because we change

52:23Graham just to be considered for Lindseay McKenna

52:28is he's on the Friends of the Alamance County

52:34do the book sales. He is really anchored in to the

52:41Miss McKenny's wanting to renew hers to be redone

52:47that would sign up for that. But I just um just

52:56discussion with anyone? Any of the commissioners

53:03um I made a motion for those two and that Graham

53:09put back on and I had a second. So, all those in

53:22uh Debbie Johnson who has been on uh so far

53:29I'm nominating um that we place

53:36those in favor say I. I. I. All right. And

53:50and um are we going to have a presentation on the

53:57or uh there he is. I was just looking around

54:06Commissioner. So before is a request to approve

54:11and drug counselor peer support positions funded

54:18$400,000 from opioid settlement funds in

54:23a post overdose response team. Just

54:28a post overdose overdose response team is a team

54:35EMS, fire departments that responds on folks that

54:41911 system. And the concept behind it is for them

54:48um and ideally try to help navigate them into

54:54response team does. It is an evidence-based um

54:59through the YOP settlement, we will return return

55:04request authorization to continue or discontinue

55:10funds being used for this position request and

55:17approve. I'll second that. Everyone in favor?

55:25I'm sorry. 550. Thank you. Uh, now we come to the

55:36and I'm going to let our county attorney just

55:42is to obtain a moratorum. Uh, if we so wish to

55:51moratoria in North Carolina are applicable

55:56be a desire by the board to study uh a way in

56:02business that wants to use land. Um and before

56:07public hearing and hold a public hearing before

56:13that for this evening. Uh the purpose tonight

56:17discuss and and possibly even to hear from anybody

56:21cons of considering something like this. I think

56:27um have considered moratoria. Some have imposed

56:32not to impose moratoria. Um I don't really have

56:39about any desire by any company to put one here in

56:44Um, but at the same time, I wanted to give you all

56:48cons and then take directions from you as far as

56:54the board to adopt in the future. So, that's

56:58need for me. Mr. Stevens, what's the timeline on a

57:05we have to give 10 days public notice um in a

57:11like I said, we didn't do that for tonight. We

57:14the board were to decide you want to move forward

57:20tonight, we might decide to do that here before

57:27happen t in tandem with our meeting, that kind

57:32else. It could. Yeah. So, most public hearings

57:37certainly doesn't happen have to happen here,

57:45other comments? Um, just to add to it, I know Siri

57:52County, Davidson County, Wake County, and there's

57:58in a year moratorum or some kind of moratorium.

58:04of them that have come out here lately because

58:10I know we have 96 data centers in 69 I

58:19um there's one looking at Madison Rockingham.

58:25they had casinos. So um I'm just saying it's

58:31listen and think this we may need to just take

58:39Yes. Um I'm on the planning board also.

58:53the planning board has discussed uh data centers

59:04been added to the proposed UDO, the unified

59:11been placed in that under the heavy industrial

59:19certain buffers around uh and other restrictions.

59:32data centers have been getting quite a lot of

59:39um I guess the primary thing is water usage.

59:49who are involved with that. uh one of the guys

59:56out talks about data centers has has sent me some

1:00:05uh we have some issues that he has brought to me

1:00:14used freshwater consumption for cooling and uh

1:00:22day for a large center and so uh data centers

1:00:32of water consumption. Well, new data centers,

1:00:41system with a circulation pump and cooling towel.

1:00:49continually consuming fresh water, the system

1:00:57brings water usage to a very small and carefully

1:01:06uh a moratorum or we're looking into regulations

1:01:15things we would want to do is say that we would

1:01:21centers from using raw water. would want them to

1:01:32but that may not be the problem that some people

1:01:38a lot on the news about data centers and all

1:01:45be controlled. Um another issue that has been

1:01:55electricity is required uh for data centers.

1:02:05100 megawatts of electricity per month which is

1:02:12lot of electricity of power and that can sound

1:02:20provide predictable energy consumption. They know

1:02:29they help flatten out energy usage curve or peak

1:02:37surrounding areas could be an advantage. Uh we

1:02:45We have we have facilities that provide energy.

1:02:57data center that would help modernize the grid as

1:03:06energy um making it uh the grid more dependent.

1:03:16to help pay their way, which means they're paying

1:03:23also help surrounding residential users with a

1:03:31there could be advantages as well as

1:03:36they need the power and in addition to the center

1:03:44in case something happens to the primary line. So

1:03:54is employment. The data centers don't typically

1:04:03Um, another issue is noise. Uh, data centers,

1:04:13u have been used in the past, uh, created quite a

1:04:21The decibel amount from what I'm told is around

1:04:28this is based on older centers. uh data centers

1:04:34walls and exhaust structures to mitigate sound.

1:04:43eliminates the need for the louder fans. So,

1:04:54I would like to just mention, you know,

1:05:00consider the amount of tax revenue that the county

1:05:08would get a lot of revenue coming in without a

1:05:14like with residential developments. So, I know

1:05:22especially the really large ones, and we have

1:05:29that's going to uh impact the citizens. Um maybe

1:05:38not sure we need a year, maybe six months or less.

1:05:45planning uh board and get input for them from them

1:05:55are involved with them who can tell us uh you know

1:06:02that we're not reacting on uh information that's

1:06:10to take a look at it. If there's a moratorum that

1:06:16based on having good information. Okay. Thank

1:06:24Fox News and they were having a a story on data

1:06:32information and I did end up taping uh so I could

1:06:38part of it before getting interrupted. But um from

1:06:44be um not use so much water, not use fresh water

1:06:51to eliminate the noise and the water circulates

1:07:00Anything? Oh, that's what you were going to go to

1:07:08sorry. Talking about proximity, one of the

1:07:15the the hospital and uh in 24 years now, I've

1:07:25maybe a minute, I don't know. When you're

1:07:30a major hospital or or something of that nature,

1:07:37it's going to be quick more quickly responded

1:07:42just when when when that comment was made, I've

1:07:47Commissioner Pow had. And uh yeah, I mean it's it

1:07:54I think the moratoria idea is a good idea uh to

1:08:01document to protect us, protect our citizens, and

1:08:07want it to. And uh so I would definitely support

1:08:17uh tax revenue um and you I know you've heard

1:08:25residential property owner in Alamance County the

1:08:33$146 in county services used. So if you didn't

1:08:43retail and whatnot in Alamance County, your tax

1:08:48least 50% higher than it is right now. So having

1:08:59cost of that type of facility and how large it

1:09:07potential reduction in your co household property

1:09:13what the impact is going to be. But it's just

1:09:18when we're looking at these things. You can't

1:09:23you couldn't afford to live here. We've got

1:09:29uh I don't know 12 months, 6 months what the what

1:09:34be able to determine. Mr. Well, I appreciate Sam's

1:09:45that I conducted. Uh, Chairman Allen and and uh,

1:09:54it there's there's no harm to having a moratorum

1:10:05I think there's a lot of misunderstanding and

1:10:12this kind of an important, you know, these

1:10:17they uh they have a great deal of importance

1:10:24secret that there's a around the country program

1:10:31know who's sponsoring most of those activities. Uh

1:10:38that Commissioner Pal provided is about Lowden

1:10:46capital of the United States. And the research

1:10:56appreciable B bounce nor have the water rates on

1:11:03more data centers than any other county location

1:11:10speaks volumes for the way these data centers are

1:11:16Now, I'll just add one little caveat to almost

1:11:22they're good for Alamance County. Right. Right.

1:11:27to the Chesapeake Bay. So, we need to study this

1:11:33moratorum that Mr. Carter has talked about. um

1:11:43really get all the data, all the information and

1:11:48Sure. I I've heard enough here to know that I've

1:11:53Um we'll go ahead and notice a public hearing

1:11:58need to decide really until that meeting how long

1:12:05draft it. We'll go ahead and notice it and we'll

1:12:10sir, as a prelude to that ordinance, I presume

1:12:17some definitions of terms. Uh one data center is

1:12:24you know, what exactly we'll be voting on is

1:12:31ordinance draft. If you could, that would be

1:12:36the notice just so we have that done. That has to

1:12:40to that deadline even now. So, we'll go ahead

1:12:44you'll get an opportunity to review what we've

1:12:50uh historic courthouse? Yes. I'm sorry. I was

1:12:58at the day meeting. Big I was asking the attorney

1:13:03day meeting or if you'd prefer waiting until

1:13:10personally more people uh who work and come in

1:13:17for the second. Sure. And Commissioner Carter is

1:13:22historic courthouse to accommodate additional

1:13:28tell me what you want. I mean, just depends on

1:13:34courthouse? I think it's a good idea. I think

1:13:39possible. Okay. Yeah. To discuss it. And um I

1:13:45uh too uh was that all these counties that

1:13:51significantly because of the money brought in by

1:13:57of what I was catching as I walked through and

1:14:01talking about because I'm always interested in

1:14:06be your evening meeting on August 17th. We can do

1:14:13invite the planning board to come and and present

1:14:23perhaps require it, but if they would like to come

1:14:30on this and I think we ought to hear from them if

1:14:35wouldn't it? Quorum of the planning board. Yes.

1:14:42the whole board either. I was a representative

1:14:51and give a presentation. Um I would just like to

1:14:58that have come in here today and talked to you

1:15:04that have a mega dagger dagger data center living

1:15:10this built there because it had thousands of acres

1:15:16but this never is off. The lights are on all the

1:15:22Once construction's built, they're gone. Only

1:15:26guys inside and women. It's not like you have a

1:15:30And that's fine, too. We need all kind of stuff.

1:15:37but we have all watched the city of Graham folks

1:15:46of square land up there, wanting for it to stay

1:15:52You got a history with it. You were a big

1:15:55know more about than anybody. And and that that's

1:16:02to your people who worked hard to do that, done

1:16:07raise a lot of money themselves. But when I

1:16:13get some tax revenue. I want that's great. That

1:16:19of where you're going to have these data centers

1:16:23it's going to have on people. I told Ritz tonight

1:16:27in here and buy Western Electric. Dig that place

1:16:33they connect the city of Burlington water and they

1:16:37down the road. So I'm just telling you don't and

1:16:44But you got other planning guys that don't like

1:16:49things. So just see the big picture before you

1:16:55everything is um when we start seeing dollar signs

1:17:02one thing that I wanted um Mr. Stevens to look

1:17:09recent development is the buffer and not having

1:17:15which would probably eliminate a lot of land. And

1:17:21and lights and everything else that is involved

1:17:29center. I know the the town of Hall River has

1:17:34to put privacy fences and shrubbery and trees and

1:17:41important for us to think about that if we're

1:17:46going to handle. There needs to be uh buffers

1:17:52all that before anything is considered. I I just

1:17:57Um I'm hearing a lot of discussion now about how

1:18:02sure we understand that the decision to institute

1:18:08put do first and then we can have conversations

1:18:13we should and shouldn't have and that's why I was

1:18:19give ourselves time to work on all the details

1:18:25favor of regulation of data centers and just want

1:18:29moratorum in place any plans that are filed

1:18:35as though they were under the initial uh zoning

1:18:42we wait to institute something, the more we risk

1:18:48regulation at all. Right? And that's that's why I

1:18:53and that's why I was suggesting that you uh get

1:18:59researching and going behind and looking and heck

1:19:05that we need to do that and that would give us

1:19:12make sure I'm clear. Um I'll go ahead and draft

1:19:17the other. I just want to remind the board that we

1:19:23yeah. Well, right now, yeah, maybe we should

1:19:30have the courthouse on the first? Um, and it

1:19:37we would agree and everybody would agree to change

1:19:42being able to come in and speak. And we need to

1:19:48I we can do it either time. Very unlikely we

1:19:53that first meeting, right? Uh I would imagine it's

1:19:58right? So, if we want to wait till the 17th,

1:20:02we're not mixing the two things. We don't have

1:20:07I just wanted to make sure that we are ahead of

1:20:12the safeguard like rails so they don't fill out

1:20:19we've seen a lot of these folks are talking about

1:20:27doing what we need to do for any reason and we got

1:20:37Yep. That's um I think we're in a consensus.

1:20:42to get to moving on that as quickly as possible

1:20:49Okay. Just so we're clear. Which meeting? The the

1:20:57instead of the third. 17th. 17th. Yes. I just

1:21:01during the day that work. Okay. We'll get it done.

1:21:07to speak or will it be a time limit? No, this is

1:21:12to discuss it. And hopefully most of our business

1:21:17everyone who shows up will get to speak which

1:21:23comment by like to reiterate the the definition

1:21:30had some conversation earlier on about there's a

1:21:35computer. Are we talking about everything? is a so

1:21:41it so that at that meeting that we can have a

1:21:50Thank you. Did you have anything else on attorney

1:21:55um I've got a close session motion for the board,

1:22:00and you all go first if that's okay. Okay. Okay.

1:22:06know that July is parks and recreation month. So,

1:22:13our professional parks and recreation staff for

1:22:18acknowledge the importance of parks and recreation

1:22:23programming provides to visitors and residents

1:22:30take an opportunity to introduce our new veteran

1:22:36Mr. Jeff McNeel. Hello. How are you? Jeff is a US

1:22:46He started with us uh in the middle of May. His

1:22:52budget presentations. And you're still here, huh?

1:23:00uh before he was here with us in Alamance. He was

1:23:05County, South Carolina most recently. And then he

1:23:11the veteran benefit services, which gives him a

1:23:17we are delighted to have him on our team and

1:23:22that Doorchester? Did I say Well, I had to help

1:23:27Sorry. What did I say? I couldn't pass that

1:23:36however they pronounce it. Helps to have lived

1:23:42Thank you. Okay. Uh, county commissioner comments

1:23:48Okay. We not have a close session. We are, but

1:23:53we didn't approve it on the agenda rule. So,

1:24:00it's on there. Yeah. Or that Rick was going to

1:24:06but during my comments, I'm going to ask the

1:24:11you can consider it at your leisure. Anything? I

1:24:16too much already. We have a chance to say

1:24:23between Alamance and two days a week. Yes. I

1:24:31month. That's so That's correct. Um, just one

1:24:39the supervised visitation basically family view

1:24:46maintenance out of our fund balance and that

1:24:52out and I'm sure it will increase because doesn't

1:24:57um three of our community colleges including

1:25:02concerned about not having supervised visitation

1:25:09which is a $2.8 million building that was built

1:25:15of the Friendship Day Adult Center. And that

1:25:21have to build it. We mow it and fix the toilet.

1:25:27are court-ordered to go to triumph reunification

1:25:32visitation, a phenomenal program, a judge orders

1:25:38services. Um I think we really need to think about

1:25:46I was at family abuse services when it started

1:25:52the judges everywhere and that's very important.

1:25:58this program is. Um I just I just think we need to

1:26:06signature program that Alamance County's had been

1:26:13priorities. So, I'm just saying that puts a real

1:26:18hardships to start with and uh we just need to not

1:26:25I just think we really need to think about this

1:26:30our money on and and that fund balance. That's it.

1:26:37I get a lot of conversations and people stopping

1:26:44look on their website, they are constantly having

1:26:52And I love how and I have volunteered several

1:26:58if you go and you see these kids and you see them

1:27:04at Elon College and standing out sweating for four

1:27:10and um and everyone should consider doing that

1:27:16dollars. It is all a nonprofit and supported by uh

1:27:27you, board. Pursuant to North Carolina General

1:27:33close session to consult with an attorney

1:27:36order to preserve the attorney client privilege

1:27:41attorney will advise the board on ongoing legal

1:27:45of local school funding and North Carolina General

1:27:51Board of Education. I don't anticipate any

1:27:57move we go into close session. I need

1:28:04we will be going into close session. Thank you.

1:28:10Could I get a motion to adjourn? So, moved.

1:28:21Okay. Five. No, I want to spend the night down

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