2026-09-08 - Board of Commissioners
Summary
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- Regular morning meeting of the Board of Commissioners, Monday, September 8, 2026, chaired by Kelly Allen; adjourned at about 1:14:08 into the recording.
- The board approved the agenda and the consent agenda by voice vote.
Time on topic (from transcript timestamps; approximate, includes side talk and public comment on each topic):
| Topic | Minutes | Share |
|---|---|---|
| 2027 Property Revaluation | 36 | 49% |
| Library Advisory Committee Appointments | 19 | 26% |
| County vehicle replacement policy | 6 | 8% |
| Other business | 13 | 18% |
Library Advisory Committee Appointments
2:44-21:47
- Public comment was almost entirely about the library committee. Beth Leman (name as captioned) objected that nominations from the city councils were passed over, asked that trustees be chosen on library and community qualifications, and asked that the board's library liaison be changed.
- A second speaker (not named in the captions) said the board had overridden municipal recommendations, citing the Mebane city council's 5-member-vote recommendation of two nominees (names garbled, roughly "Melissa Tats" and "Kayla Schily") that the board rejected in favor of two others, and criticized past committee members' views on library content.
- A speaker who said she was recently appointed to the library committee (apparently Bonnie Whitaker; unconfirmed) defended the new parental-advisory labeling policy, described the online backlash and harassment she had received, and thanked commissioners for their handling of the appointments.
- Another speaker argued the county-municipal library partnership depends on respecting the recommendations of the cities that fund and house the libraries, and asked the board to restore that practice.
- The clerk read a letter from Hannah Keys (name as captioned) opposing book challenges and criticizing Kelly Allen, arguing that access to age-appropriate sexuality and consent books protects children.
- Commissioners replied briefly: Ed Priola (captioned "Briola") said views were already well known; others said the board follows its normal process for choosing committee members, noted the county pays for the library staff (about 63 or 64 employees) and that the buildings are city-owned. A speaker, apparently a commissioner (not identified), asked again for the labeling policy to be placed on a future agenda so it can be discussed; no action was taken.
2027 Property Revaluation
22:37-58:08
- The county tax administrator (first name Brad; surname not captioned) and an appraisal vendor representative opened the 2027 revaluation. State law requires reappraisal at least every 8 years; this board moved the county to a 4-year cycle. He stressed that new values do not automatically mean higher tax bills, because the rate is set separately by the board.
- Staff asked the board to consider the 2027 schedule of values (the manual of land, building and income rates). It is on file for inspection, a notice ran September 10, and a public hearing was set for October 19, with adoption expected then and a notice of adoption to follow; the farm-use schedule is adopted separately from state figures.
- The county contracted with Vincent Valuations (also involved in the 2023 revaluation) for appraisal and appeals support. Staff described five steps: field data collection, sales analysis (valid arm's-length sales only, generally no more than two years back), neighborhood delineation, building the schedule, and statistical ratio testing before notices are mailed, expected around February 2027. The valuation date is January 1, 2027.
- Commissioners asked how apartments and commercial property are valued (income and cap-rate approach), how neighborhoods are drawn, whether recent listing-price cuts signal a cooling market (staff saw some cooling but would not cite percentages), how easements and unbuildable land are treated, and about aerial change-detection flyovers planned this winter.
- Staff explained a state appeals case (captioned "Blige" or "Blish Housing") in which an apartment complex partly owned by an exempt nonprofit won exemption from property tax on the whole property; they said a bill to close the gap failed in the legislature and that the county could lose on the order of $1 million a year in tax (figures uncertain). Ten community town halls have been held, with more planned.
County vehicle replacement policy
58:08-1:03:47
- A staff member presented updates to the 2023 fleet replacement policy, which sets mileage and condition guidelines for replacing county vehicles. Funds have been short, so vehicles have been rotated from heavily used departments such as the sheriff's office to lower-use ones.
- Proposed thresholds were raised to roughly 135,000 miles for cars, trucks and vans and 160,000 for pursuit and patrol vehicles (as captioned); ambulance criteria were unchanged. Staff said a vote was not required, and the board appeared to approve by voice vote.
Other business
- The consent agenda was approved (21:47).
- A human services staff member recognized child-welfare professionals for the September observance and announced a grand opening of the new human services center on Friday, September 18, noon to 4 PM, at the Graham-Hopedale Road complex, and recognized a local appointee (surname Barber) to the state crisis system of care council.
- Commissioner comments: praise for a tour of a Burlington water facility and for the staff running it; congratulations to the schools on progress cutting the number of low-performing schools to about 10 of 33 (Sam Powell among those speaking); a commissioner reported receiving voter registration mailers addressed to a family member who never lived in North Carolina and asked the board to follow up with the elections board; and a discussion of how commissioners are assigned to the many outside boards and the time that takes.
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00:56Alamance County is pleased to present the
01:04Okay, we're going to call the uh meeting of
01:08September 8th meeting to order. The invocation
01:18Let's bow our heads, please. Thank you, Lord,
01:23room. I just thank you so much for this county.
01:29where we've seen so much division. It's always
01:34against brother. I just pray that we will
01:38always put you first in every decision that
01:42self and our pride take over. Forgive us of our
01:46always make the best decisions. In your name
01:54I aliance to the flag of the United
02:01for which it stands. One nation under God,
02:14Next, I need the approval of the agenda.
02:20favor? I. Motion passes. Next is the public
02:27for three minutes. Uh we ask that you
02:32a professional meeting. Um and you have three
02:38please finish the sentence you're on and
02:44speak is Beth Leman. I'm right here.
03:00So, my issue that I'd like to speak about today is
03:06nominations for the positions of library trustees
03:12whether they applied or not. Our city councils
03:19not considering them, the Alamance County
03:24to fulfill an agenda. This agenda has shown
03:32over materials rather than allowing parents
03:40It's getting harder and harder just in general
03:47everyone can afford one of these or access
03:54to compound that challenge, the commission has
04:03to choose trustees who are all on the same page of
04:15library professionals. We need trustees, a group
04:23library services. They understand access to
04:31the public. A commission that bypasses the
04:38careful thought by multiple groups and chooses
04:45their overall district and the towns that make up
04:53community is a hard job. I understand. But that
05:02overall team is larger than just five people.
05:10the same. We don't want our commissioners
05:16serves the public by providing materials for
05:24are taking away from us by not following the
05:31I ask that library trustees are chosen based
05:39current liaison to the library be changed since
05:47have a personal agenda that is out of alignment
05:54core of any community and it serves the whole
06:02that community overall. Thank you. Thank
06:14Thank you. The public record shows that
06:18used its appointment power to override municipal
06:24records reflect socially conservative positions
06:29and library content. In 2023, Cheryl Sanford
06:36at May Memorial Library. Her library committee
06:40of Christian Bible Fellowship and an AWA lead
06:47incumbent recommended for retention, the county
06:52vice chair of the library committee and a leading
06:56materials containing mature themes. The committee
07:01subsequently approved the policy. The pattern
07:07unanimously recommended Melissa Tats and Kayla
07:12county commission rejected both recommendations
07:17instead. Burns had previously opposed Meban's
07:22and equity, describing equity as forced fairness.
07:28willing to depart from municipal recommendations
07:32a particular social and political viewpoint. This
07:39The county commission's authority does not
07:44constituency or one set of cultural values. It
07:50Commissioners have a responsibility to ensure
07:57responsive to the full community they serve,
08:02cultural, or social views differ from those
08:06The issue is not whether commissioners may hold
08:10them. They may. The issue is whether public
08:15segment of the community while diminishing
08:20towards correcting the balance would be to
08:23library committee. I will continue to hold
08:28when they put politics over people. people
08:33on right now in this community to preserve
08:54Hello. Since my appointment to the Alamance County
09:02scrutiny. The new Alamance County policy for
09:09created an uproar. Our desire for busy parents,
09:19and engaged parents is to let you know if a book
09:26movies, music, and video games, parents use labels
09:34know our children best. We know what fits their
09:42controversial and discriminatory. 30 people truck
09:49a half years and loudly complain about the policy
09:55attorney, and unanimously adopted by our county
10:01the public and posted on social media. Entire
10:08of our new book labeling policy. Friends send me
10:16receive as a result because of my volunteer
10:22record in that role. Facebook posts have been
10:30There are several considerations for appointments
10:35have applicants lived in Elements County based
10:42do they have an axe to grind? Do they plan to
10:50the library committee, I have a respectful working
10:56whether we agree on everything or not. Based on
11:04I thank the commissioners for their thoughtful
11:09and conflict we witnessed today to be codified
11:17angry, I understand if this makes you
11:23speech. It is just speech you hate. It is quite
11:30it is Democratic party operatives that plan
11:37you again to all the county commissioners for
11:54Good morning, chair and board of
11:58and I want to speak today about the relationship
12:02and the Alamance County Library System and
12:07been a partnership. Our municipalities provide and
12:13our residents, while Alamance County provides
12:18That partnership is reflected in the very
12:24Graham, Mban each have their own designated
12:28that those members are recommended by their
12:34county commissioners do have the final approval
12:39the has respected the recommendations made
12:44changed. Mebane City's council carefully considered
12:50recommended Melissa Titz and Kayla Schily by a 5
12:56both recommendations and substituted two different
13:03so I think that this needs to be asked a very very
13:08specifically given the responsibility
13:12what does that what do those recommendations mean
13:18isn't about whether the commissioners have
13:22do. It's about respecting the partnership that
13:28truly Mebban seats, if they're truly Burlington
13:34elected municipal governments should have the
13:40communities. Unless there is a compelling reason
13:45I believe this board should respect those
13:49system works because county and municipalities
13:56restore the tradition of cooperation and trust.
14:01forward and thank you all for your time this
14:20I will be reading a public comment from Hannah
14:25her words. I'm writing today because I'm concerned
14:31In recent challenges, several books centered on
14:35were flagged for explicit sexual content. One
14:41relationship, sexuality, and consent included a
14:47be too young. As a survivor of childhood sexual
14:52about consent. My assault happened when I was
14:56an adult. Why? Because my parents kept me in the
15:01what sex was. I only knew that when sexual topics
15:07I was confused and literally did not have the
15:12what I did learn was very negative. I was told
15:16I was told that my body was to blame if a boy
15:21modestly. I was told that rape made you broken and
15:26anything else. Do you think that these messages
15:31Not at all. Luckily, when I was 10 years old, I
15:36history. So, I Googled my questions. I read
15:41I talked to other girls in forums. As I began to
15:46what my parents or my church allowed me to see, I
15:52you forever. It's just a normal part of human
15:58to feel ashamed of, not survivors. Understanding
16:03a friend and begin healing. In a 2022 article by
16:10who submitted the content review request for the
16:15um, "I don't think that reading in a book,
16:19is how I want them to learn about sexuality. I
16:24if the people at home don't want to teach them?
16:28abusing them? What if the people at home have
16:33how to broach the topic? Since our culture has
16:38founded. Because knowledge is power. Because all
16:42equal access. And to protect our children from
16:47wellness. People like Cheryl Sanford and Lindseay
16:52care about controlling them, molding them to
16:56they're flagging books for witchcraft, too. I am
17:01of Miss Kelly Allen to enable their nonsense. I'm
17:06his own constituents over this issue. You must
17:11uncensored. Thank you, Hannah Keys. Thank you.
17:18have three minutes that they can make a
17:28Well, I I've heard little new today about
17:34commentary has been about it. Uh it's
17:39genuine disagreements quite clear and
17:46my views are pretty well known on the subject
17:51library system. So, I'll just leave it at that
18:05just for the record it is a library
18:15as uh Commissioner Briola stated
18:22we have the uh obligation to our to our
18:29believe serve the community the way these
18:35that's what we try to do. But I think that's sums
18:44uh 63 or 64 employees of the library salary and
18:54I think that should be brought up too that we do
19:02Yeah. I'd just say we have a process for choosing
19:09and commissions that is appropriate used by most
19:17commission. I think it was a month ago that um I
19:26this is concerning and how old it was and it's 20
19:32on the agenda. I spoke um to admin about it and
19:38but hopefully it would be on the agenda next time
19:45can happen with with leadership, government, the
19:51each other through a public comment. Um, it's like
19:58your son in and he's done some stuff but he's
20:03on the stick and that front desk person has got to
20:09can't talk about things when we're really ticked
20:14Um, I I don't understand how and I've I've looked
20:20in stuff like this and committees and boards and
20:24or the other. That's just not going to work. We
20:31to ask again if we can put this policy about what
20:37agenda so we can talk about this and work through
20:44um, when emotions get involved in stuff and
20:50gets to be about something else, not about the
20:55was in Meban the other week and I saw the Meban
21:00I'm glad we didn't have to pay for that because I
21:06Graham because that's a big amount of building and
21:10it. That's a real gift that they're giving us and
21:17we just really need this issue to be discussed in
21:24exactly what we're looking at because um policies
21:29not going to be the end of the world. They
21:33people with no vision will perish. And that's what
21:39um that's it. I'm asking again for this to be put
21:47the consent agenda. Motion to approve. All those
21:53I I. Now we go to the presentations and other
22:02values and I believe that is our tax department.
22:12the fact that Elliot Clark's not going to be on
22:18or we could just announce when we get to that
22:23because I noticed that the new one doesn't have
22:37Good morning. Good morning. Hope everyone
22:42this morning to discuss the 2027 revaluation,
22:50is the the kickoff and and as I think I just
22:56County and it it certainly doesn't seem like
23:01so this is kind of the initial kickoff process
23:07So, we're going to go through and talk
23:15So, first and foremost, as we've said multiple
23:19General Statute 105286 says that all counties
23:25at least once every 8 years. This board about 8
23:32that cycle to a 4-year cycle. So our last our last
23:39revaluation if you think about it a lot of areas
23:44a revaluation is a chance for us to capture those
23:50really the the sole purpose of the revaluation.
23:56All of our land values, building values, both
24:02lot. Are you going to update everything or just
24:10Why this matters to you all and to our our
24:16updating those values for fairness, transparency,
24:22publicly available for folks to review. Uh and
24:27go through that, talk a little bit about that in
24:31though for this revaluation discussion as we
24:37a buzzword and a bad word that we are increasing
24:43assume automatically that my tax bill is going
24:48typically what happens in county in a county
24:53values may go up and I'm making this up. This
24:58but the values may go up. Your value may go
25:03your tax bill is going to go up 50%. There is the
25:09and that is determined by this board and our
25:14Okay? So, it's not all about the revaluation. The
25:22Something new that we've done here in Alamance
25:27town halls. We're up to 10 meetings at this
25:32uh community meetings that we've had. Myself as
25:37all of those. Most recently uh two weeks ago on
25:43a couple of our libraries in Burlington
25:47good. We've had some really good response
25:51and so I certainly have have enjoyed that. We do
25:57will be held in December. So kind of as we're
26:02are starting to be solidified and we can share
26:0716 and 17, we will be having uh three uh last
26:17So, we're asking today and there is a process
26:21you all just to simply consider the schedule of
26:26Schedule of values is a manual the assessor's
26:31there from rates, base rates, land rates,
26:38and residential also as well as our income
26:43uh we have a separate schedule of values that I
26:48present use. We adopt those separately separate
26:53which is our farm program agricultural uh as
26:58else. The reason that's done is because that
27:02from the state. We simply utilize what they
27:11So the legal process is defined under 105317. So
27:17for consideration. It is now now will be filed
27:24right now for inspection later today if not by end
27:30online for anyone who wants to go on there and
27:34us a call. Uh public hearing will be held. I'll
27:41Then the board will adopt or consider to adopt
27:46of adoption must be published. So to give you a
27:53look like, September the 10th. So on Thursday,
27:59says or not an article but an ad that says uh the
28:05and they can consider that and come by and see or
28:10will be held on October the 19th. That will be in
28:16to come out and speak to the schedule of values.
28:21because we're anticipating an adoption, but we'll
28:26this 2027 schedule of values. And then subsequent
28:33for four consecutive weeks. Once again, in our
28:39last day for challenging the validity of this
28:47Once again, here is how folks can review that
28:52a copy there now online. It will be on there
28:57email. Uh they can answer any questions. We
29:02document to them as you all have a paper copy
29:06it might be a challenge to do that, but they're
29:13So who is doing the 2027 revaluation? As you all
29:20you all contracted with Vincent Valuations to
29:26revaluation for 2027. So, Vincent Valuations is a
29:34uh assisted in Alamance County's 2023 revaluation.
29:40are this time where it's kind of they're
29:44just kind of an assist role that they were
29:49appraisal, and we'll be doing appeals support for
29:55give or take, by the time we get to revaluation.
30:02Vincent. He is the owner of Vincent Valuations
30:06process uh as we as they move forward
30:14Thank you. Thank you, Brad. Uh, and board, uh,
30:20about the five basic steps of the reappraisal
30:25summary slide, and we're going to go into detail
30:31mentioned before, is the field data collection.
30:37um our staff has visited all of the properties
30:43of these making sure that the records are up to
30:49um any physical characteristics that go with the
30:57the office. We key it into the system and
31:01looking through first the sales. So sales set the
31:07100% of market value. So it's safe to say that
31:14$300,000, your home will be appraised within
31:23looking at sales. So we only consider valid arms
31:32um you sell a home to a family member or
31:38associate and it's not listed on the open market,
31:44a valid transaction because it didn't have market
31:50public to make an offer or purchase that property.
31:56break the county down into neighborhoods. So we
32:01So these neighborhoods are both residential and
32:08when we're in the valuation phase, which we're in
32:14state law tells us that we have to appraise at
32:20a neighborhood we run a ratio and it's at 80%,
32:27throughout this phase we need to look and see,
32:31low on the land? Are we low on the buildings? So,
32:36types for the ratio studies. And lastly, we look
32:43real estate values are changing every single
32:48to see if we need to make any time adjustments for
32:55get is how far back do you go for sales? Well,
33:00no more than 2 years unless we have to. Um, and
33:08property or subject neighborhood as we can. Now,
33:15some commercial properties, we have to go outside
33:20outside of the state. Uh, give you a real good
33:26uh as a as county staff in Durham County, we had
33:32whole lot of malls that appeal, excuse me, uh,
33:39unique property. So that's a case where we may
33:47So building the schedule. So as Brad mentioned,
33:55rates for valuing land, the buildings, and the
34:02cost and depreciation schedule. though the
34:07cost tables and depreciation tables that go
34:13property. There's also a section in there for
34:20certain types of properties are traded based on
34:26uh apartments, retail, things like that. So people
34:33all covered in the schedule. So right now, which
34:39we're applying this schedule parcel by parcel,
34:44values. We're reviewing the data and making sure
34:49market, making sure that we're as close to that
34:56statistical testing. So again, we're running
35:00neighborhood, by property type to make sure again
35:06mail notices to all property owners with their new
35:12for February time frame and then that starts the
35:20subsequent presentations. So just a couple quick
35:28comparison approach is the most common and and and
35:34subject property and we look at other properties
35:41value. Um in certain instances um again more
35:47cost approach. So, what does it cost to replace or
35:54depreciation on that structure? And again, the
36:00we touched on those types of properties that
36:06when it comes to land, we're typically
36:10Um there's unique circumstances where land
36:16but those are very few and far between. Um so
36:23land sells for. And I believe that is all we
36:32Uh, one question I have, when you're using the
36:40commercial? So, that's a really good question.
36:46properties? So, we'll typically look at uh
36:51we're looking at an apartment complex. So, if we
36:58just use round numbers, $1,000 a month for
37:04market. We'll make sure that that is a reasonable
37:11substantially over the market or substantially
37:18income, so that's the maximum the property can
37:23we'll go to the market. We'll see what is the
37:29complex that stays booked and they might have 3
37:37turnover, more vacancy and collection loss and
37:44then we look at expenses. So expenses are
37:50or if we can get information from the owner on
37:56what are market expenses for that property.
38:03sales comparison approach and the income approach
38:08is a reasonable realistic um income expenses
38:16get that net income. So it's gross income minus
38:22that net income that that property would produce
38:28So a cap rate again comes from the market. It
38:36income that that property produced. Um and then
38:43is determined. So again, just in quick summary,
38:49valuation for that property. Anyone else have any
38:59How do you go about delineating neighborhoods? Is
39:05in a particular neighborhood? And how is that
39:10Um, so we didn't do delineation in the last, um,
39:17so I can't speak to how neighborhoods were
39:22they are now. So, typically what we do is we
39:28for example, those are usually always their own
39:33areas, uh, it may be an entire township that's a
39:41so a neighborhood could be made up of typical
39:48if we go into a track built subdivision, those
39:53those get to be a little more difficult. Sometimes
39:59Um, those lines could also be drawn based on
40:07if we see an area where uh land is selling
40:13$50,000, and then we watch those sales as we're
40:19and we see, hey, all of a sudden, we see all
40:25there's a neighborhood line somewhere in there.
40:32when it comes to commercial, uh, we're looking for
40:39So, you might have commercial neighborhoods
40:45um, because those land values are typically higher
40:52is is built and can financially function around
40:58fast food, restaurants, things like that. And
41:04those property types change. There'll be more
41:09um downtown row type properties, which are call
41:15other, share a common wall. Um so for commercial,
41:21and property types. Uh and also location. So what
41:28subjective, fairly subjective and consequently
41:34neighborhood assignment. We could um generally uh
41:42get challenged on the neighborhood that we're in.
41:50um if if somebody is challenging the value,
41:56neighborhood lines in my experience um typically
42:04uh Thank you. Have you uh been seeing much change
42:13in particular recently? seem to be seeing a number
42:20values are our asking prices being reduced from
42:3015 to 20 25 $30,000 from the original asking price
42:38seeing that? Yeah. So, um can't speak to specific
42:47have seen a little bit of of I want to say maybe
42:55maybe a little bit of a of a cool down in the
43:01of of we have a valuation date of January 1st,
43:09September and January, right? Um so we we have
43:16go through its legal process um at this point in
43:23the reappraisal is due. Um but we're continually
43:29these values um and monitoring the market all the
43:37reason why we don't mail notices say January 1st
43:44being filed, sales are being filed, and there's a
43:50get into the tax system and us to analyze it.
43:56process. We're not reviewing sales today that
44:01there. Um, and so that's why we need that that
44:09sales that happened in December and see, hey,
44:14had four sales come in in December and showed an
44:19we want to monitor those all the way up until the
44:24realtors and one of them actually took some
44:30this year and the increase in price transaction
44:42a 4-year period of time it seems like for a net
44:49over a fouryear period of time so The implication
44:55staying fairly stable from what they were or maybe
45:02I can't speak to any percent changes at this point
45:07like I said, for the next um few months here.
45:17sure and take into account u uh sewer easements,
45:28and so forth that make certain properties uh that
45:36coming out as high values and that shouldn't
45:45entry lots if those are set aside you know by that
45:56buildable. Yep. Yeah. And we um we try to look at
46:07know every easement um because sometimes easements
46:13been many times in my career where we've gotten
46:20and there's an easement that runs right through
46:25this recorded? Was this mapped anywhere?" Well,
46:30it's not recorded. It's not we don't know about
46:36of that and those are all excellent um excellent
46:44is the only tax that you can file an appeal on um
46:49if we do miss something and again we'll cover
46:54us know the the public is the auditors of our
47:01want to get it as right as possible but there is
47:06and that's why there's an appeal process and so we
47:11information and if it's incorrect let us know
47:17uh if the land will perk uh if it's suitable for
47:23but if you look at land and it can be built on or
47:30a septic system, y'all consider that also in the
47:38keep all of the no perk codes from year to year.
47:44somebody might get a perk test and we might have
47:48year. They didn't let us know. Um, they can file
47:54We'll get that taken care of. Okay. I just have a
48:02affects apartments. Don't go because I got I'm
48:13But I mean, I know their House of Representatives
48:18A lot of times they don't agree, but they end up
48:24housing, which I don't know what that really
48:30thing that we miss out on that comes to the
48:35certain departments do. Yeah. And then I I mean
48:42and we are having apartments built like rabbits
48:48like it. But at the same time I was reading in our
48:54Alamance Crossing. There's one last little piece
48:59apartments on it and and from what I understand
49:06being on the board and you zoning there's a line
49:10schools that's just what it is but if that's built
49:16neighbors housing down because they've already got
49:21there's housing and you build it I mean it kind
49:26value of those homeowners? Yeah. So, so a couple
49:31the Blige, so we'll we'll go back to that. Um, but
49:39to them, be it apartment complexes, industrial,
49:43for sales to tell us. We're looking for the market
49:50house that's that that sells right here and then
49:55a similar house resells a year or two later, um,
50:01on? So, did that did that thing that was built,
50:08so we're going to look to the market to try to
50:13a street gets enclosed with certain businesses,
50:19because they know what's coming. Yep. Okay. And
50:24over time? Are those sales decreasing over time?
50:29properties because of the effect of something else
50:35on the Blue Ridge, I can kind of summarize it
50:39here. Um to touch on the Blige case. So, this was
50:46I misspeak on any of this. I'm not super familiar
50:51Central County. Yeah. So, so don't don't quote
50:58there was an apartment complex that um appealed
51:05owned 1% or onetenth of a percent by an exempt
51:13know the name. I know the name was Blish Housing.
51:18North Carolina is first to the tax office, second
51:24the state property tax commission. There's five
51:29by the governor, speaker, so on and so forth. If
51:34you can go to the state court of appeals. This
51:40the court of appeals rendered the decision
51:45a portion of it's owned by an exempt entity,
51:52So, what that means is if I build an apartment
51:59exempt entity, a nonprofit, and I say, "Hey, I'll
52:05complex. Um, and I sign over just a sliver
52:13property taxes on the whole thing, and I do not
52:18statutes that allow for discounted taxes for, to
52:26uh, I don't believe they have to be considered
52:31uh, below market market or above rate was up to
52:37the market rate was up to $1,700 a month in rent.
52:43case, but um, they did try to close that this
52:47and uh it didn't uh didn't pass. Don't know what
52:54Um there was some presentations done at the House
53:02the effect that this is having on some of the
53:08talked about Meckllinburgg. I know they talked
53:14this case is old. Uh I mean in regards to cases I
53:24been around a while. Um it's just starting to gain
53:32more than it has or has not, I don't know how many
53:37be a a very large um could be a large hit to your
53:44Right, Brad? Yeah, it was. It was it's a little
53:50um with the uh county commissioners association
53:56That's not a good top 10 to be on, but we're on
54:01be lost. And I will tell you just moving forward
54:05$1 million uh loss in tax. And so uh last year,
54:13huge push to get this through the legislature.
54:19to the Senate and completely disappeared. And so
54:25connections because it is becoming very costly
54:31tax administrator personally it's just not fair.
54:37we have a lot of folks who are low income who
54:42u would like to see something change just to
54:46equitable for our for our customers. I bet
54:52problem. I got a question about the value on a
54:56written an ex that's going to positively affect
55:03would that not then also affect the market value
55:10we're not getting taxes on it anyway so yes so
55:16for value on commercial we take taxes we do not
55:24include taxes is we load them into the cap rate.
55:30building and our tax rate is uh our tax rate is
55:36to use a cap rate of 7% for that property. So
55:42just not taking the direct line item. We're
55:48Um, but those properties would still be valued
55:54just wouldn't get a tax bill. Okay. Anything else
56:04revaluation each time? Mhm. Do you concentrate on
56:14is everything every every time we do the valuation
56:22equal amount of of focus. Now the majority of
56:28residential property. So, uh, timewise, more time
56:35more of it. Um, but they all get equal focus for
56:41Thank Thank you. Anybody else? Got one other
56:47organization out of the airport that does aerial
56:56They do a baseline and then at re at at reval
57:03update and they can actually identify changes
57:09a barn, a new building on a piece of property,
57:15at those properties and identify the ones that
57:19to try and get a baseline on going after this
57:25additional information at the next reval. Yeah,
57:29our vendor that does that. I think they're the
57:33and they're doing a flyover for us this winter.
57:39really do a whole lot in the way of of of Ryan's
57:44appeals process when folks call in and say they
57:49I've spoke with with county manager uh a couple
57:54a change detection software where they can
57:58utilizing those aerial photographs. But yeah, we
58:03Okay. All right. Thank you both very much. I
58:08full reval. Okay. uh we had down VA was going to
58:18director had something come up and cannot be here
58:24replacement policy. Good morning commissioners.
58:31a bit of time talking about our county fleet and
58:40we have a policy that we uh created back in 2023
58:47discussion outside of the budget process. So, that
58:54updates to the policy. Um I want to first explain
59:01here, we did not have any sort of uh set criteria
59:08um replace vehicles. So we created this policy
59:16out either to uh have resale value for them so
59:23where we were kind of self-funding uh vehicle set
59:30that point due to budget restrictions. We've never
59:37we have been doing is instead rotating vehicles
59:45area like the sheriff's uh office, for example.
59:51a department that just needs a vehicle to
59:59you know, something simple. So, that's primarily
1:00:05um once they um are no longer safe to use, we will
1:00:13a critical use for them, if that makes sense. So
1:00:19vehicle in addition to the mileage. So it's not
1:00:26vehicle needs on an annual basis. And then um we
1:00:35availability which uh vehicles are prioritized for
1:00:41policy that staff uses. Over the last few years,
1:00:48funds have not been available to replace vehicles
1:00:55we've laid out. So, what we have adjusted um based
1:01:03That is one component that we're looking at when
1:01:10little bit uh particularly for the share of patrol
1:01:16and utility vehicles. Ambulances have remained the
1:01:23much bigger investment for us. We have 17
1:01:29not change um the mileage threshold for them.
1:01:36um that has also gone up. So right now what's
1:01:42to the policy include um a mileage threshold of
1:01:51um the cars, trucks and vans also 135 and then
1:01:58in pursuit and patrol at 160,000 does not mean
1:02:04have many vehicles much much higher higher mileage
1:02:11some of the guidelines that we look at when trying
1:02:18to prioritize replacement for. Can I answer any
1:02:30I think it's pretty straightforward. You said
1:02:36we only have eight active units or we we do
1:02:44are currently in demand. We're also gearing up
1:02:50to be constructing. So, we're yeah, you know,
1:02:56um ambulances without having to bring you a huge
1:03:03shop uh getting repairs, getting uh so there's
1:03:13been cleaned up or repaired or whatever. They're
1:03:20have a was wondering aged fleet of ambulances.
1:03:29very much. Do you need a vote on that to accept
1:03:35this is just an internal policy that we use when
1:03:40to adopt it, that's certainly welcome as well.
1:03:47in favor? I Thank you. Now we go to the county
1:03:55board. Thank you. Thank you. County
1:04:00um if you'll indulge me. Um the Department of
1:04:06join them in recognizing September as National
1:04:12recognizing and appreciating our professionals who
1:04:19and provide stable outcomes for children. They
1:04:26this community. And this month is an opportunity
1:04:31of our recruitment, development, and retention of
1:04:38them in September. And then um I wanted to remind
1:04:44having a uh grand opening celebration for our
1:04:53services center. That's going to be held on
1:04:59open that date again. Uh Friday, September 18th
1:05:06our Graham Hopedale Road Human Services Complex
1:05:134. Noon to 4. Yes. We also wanted to recognize
1:05:21Barber. She has been before you many times. She
1:05:27that come before you as well as a whole host of
1:05:32serve on the North Carolina crisis system of
1:05:38identify gaps and evaluate practices and recommend
1:05:44Elmans County on that and we are proud to have
1:05:51Uh we have commissioner comment. Commissioner
1:05:58outside of Amanda Haj's gym over at the outlets.
1:06:05thing um I went to take a tour. You've got to
1:06:13of Burlington on Boywood Road. And I went there
1:06:17my Sunday school class. Y'all, it is unbelievable.
1:06:24just saying it's unbelievable. But to go there
1:06:31see how amazing that is and just rest assure that
1:06:39was just so glad that I got to go. I these people
1:06:45and the place was spotless except for what was
1:06:51just take for granted so many times being in the
1:06:57turn the water faucet on and it just comes out
1:07:02government is about so many other things when it
1:07:06that about wrecked us and how other people had to
1:07:12people in this county, city and county, that
1:07:17perfect, but I'm going to tell you what, they're
1:07:21talking about DSS and with children, we've just
1:07:27That's just heartbreaking. And I mean, and that's
1:07:33And so, I'm just very thankful for the leadership
1:07:38they have to deal with everything. It's um you
1:07:42because we've watched Nepal with that go we I
1:07:47county and we need to really realize that and
1:07:56like to um congratulate the schools on the recent
1:08:06almost every school in in the county and reducing
1:08:15down to 10 out of the 33. Uh but I think it's it's
1:08:23now being made. Uh real progress and I I uh I like
1:08:34but we're we're uh the the change is really
1:08:44uh, ditto to that, Sam. Uh, and, uh, I wish I had
1:08:51but I was got an opportunity to see some of what's
1:08:55uh, Dr. Fleming and, uh, interesting. Um, but I
1:09:04in the right direction. But this is something
1:09:09last couple of months, I have gotten three of
1:09:18Neither of which now, my daughter has never lived
1:09:23never lived in North Carolina. He's come
1:09:31forms to register my daughter and my grandson
1:09:40not the only one to have received them.
1:09:43commissioner mentioned that to me today. Um,
1:09:52then request my my question to the board
1:09:57get registered as a resident at my address
1:10:08Do we not have the potential a
1:10:15discrepancy in the vote in the upcoming election?
1:10:21That would be good to follow up on. Commissioner
1:10:25Yes. Okay. Uh that would be good to follow up
1:10:31today. Okay. Um, I want to say as someone who's
1:10:38um has gone in with others to buy backpacks
1:10:43I'm really glad to see that they were one of
1:10:50of non-English-speaking students that come
1:10:55Um also um I know um with my husband having
1:11:04and municipalities actually provide water and
1:11:11uh uh treated their own sewer and all the what
1:11:17So it really is interesting to go see and
1:11:25the commissioners every year before we appoint to
1:11:31if they're on a board and they'd like to rotate
1:11:38I'm on about 10 boards. Commissioner Carter
1:11:44Um I also know that at one point um something that
1:11:52they were never appointed to and uh they asked
1:11:58um I've also had a commissioner request
1:12:03the schools and I take that into consideration
1:12:10There are a tremendous amount of boards um that
1:12:18to listen and to see what's going on. And so I
1:12:25these commissioners can be on every board there
1:12:31it's not all just ribbon cutings. And there's a
1:12:37that nothing is said about or you know it's not an
1:12:44So a lot of people do not realize how much time
1:12:52and hopefully as elected officials we are all
1:12:59attitude. um then this is a full-time job and if
1:13:08and the people who were um voting for you and
1:13:18a motion to adjourn. I'll move. Commissioner
1:13:24question right now. Oh you can. Okay great.
1:13:29um, voting on behalf of another person, falsely
1:13:34registration form, those are actually felonies
1:13:38adequate remedy if someone were to be found to
1:13:44um, my husband passed away two and a half years
1:13:50reregister and I called the election board
1:13:55And I said, "Okay, I'm just double-checking here
1:14:02re him to register the vote." And that's what
1:14:08we have a motion to adjourn. Do I have a second?
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