2026-10-06 - Council Committees Day 1

02:46e

02:46Neighborhood Jobs and Housing

02:47Committee to order, and I ask

02:49the clerk to call the roll.

03:01>> Council member. Patterson.

03:02Here. Council member. Leslie

03:04Smith. Here. Council member.

03:06Lupien. Vice President Harris

03:13and President Melendez here.

03:15>> All right. Since we have no

03:18presentations today outside of

03:20the normal work, we are going

03:22to get right to the legislation

03:23before us. So introductory

03:25number 355, authorizing sale of

03:27real estate questions, comments

03:28or concerns. Seeing none. Need

03:33a motion and a second.

03:36>> Move it.

03:38>> Second. Moved and seconded.

03:40And now we vote. All in favor

03:42of introductory number 355.

03:43Please say aye. Aye. All

03:44opposed? Please say nay.

03:45Introductory passes.

03:47Introductory number 356.

03:49Authorizing an agreement with

03:50Rochester Land Bank Corporation

03:51regarding acquisition of

03:53properties offered through the

03:54city's 2026 tax foreclosure

03:56auction. Questions, comments or

03:59concerns? Comment on my behalf.

04:03It is my hope that this will be

04:05our last tax foreclosure

04:07auction. Details to follow.

04:11Seeing no comments, questions

04:13or concerns? I need a motion

04:13and a second.

04:15>> Let me second your statement

04:16and then I'll move it. Thank

04:18you.

04:20>> Yes.

04:20>> I would also like to third

04:22that statement.

04:23>> All right. Fair enough. So

04:24we got a motion and a second

04:26and all in favor of

04:27introductory number 356 please

04:28say I. I. All opposed say nay.

04:32Introductory passes

04:34introductory number 357

04:36authorizing agreement.

04:37Authorizing agreements and

04:39appropriation related to the

04:40building demolition. Before we

04:42get to the vote, it is my hope

04:44that the organization that will

04:46be working on this demolition

04:47demolition would be able to.

04:48Commissioner, is there anyone

04:49here from the organization that

04:51will be receiving the $20

04:52million to tear down this

04:54building? Is there anyone here

04:55who could come to us and tell

04:57us exactly what they're going

04:58to do and speak to the point?

05:00>> I'd be happy to introduce

05:02Tom George from Whitestone

05:04Development Partners.

05:05>> All right, sir. So state

05:07your name again for the record

05:09and who you represent, and then

05:11tell us what you're doing.

05:14>> We are in negotiations with

05:17the city and the state to take

05:18down the building. We are

05:20waiting on the agreement to be

05:22in place between Empire State

05:24Development to authorize the

05:25release, that funding to the

05:26city, to reimburse all of our

05:28costs to take the project down.

05:29So it'll be a reimbursement

05:30program. And we are currently

05:34working with neighborhoods to

05:36notify and educate what we're

05:38doing. Several meetings so far

05:39with that effort. Technically,

05:42we'll be updating the building

05:43first and then we'll do

05:45demolition at second. It takes

05:46about a year process for each,

05:48and we currently have all

05:50authorization from us, EPA and

05:53New York State Department of

05:54Labor to do the abatement to

05:56start immediately. If we had

05:57that funding. And so we're very

06:00hopeful and excited for that,

06:02that process moving.

06:02>> Okay. So for those of. So

06:04for the uninitiated, what is

06:07the Terrence building and where

06:08is it? And what was it

06:10colloquially known as?

06:10>> The Terrence Building is

06:12located at 1201 Elmwood Avenue,

06:14and it is the former New York

06:15State psychiatric Hospital that

06:17was built in 1956 and was

06:19decommissioned or shut down,

06:21not fully decommissioned, shut

06:22down in 1995. And it sits

06:25mostly vacant for the last 35

06:27years, 30 plus years. And we've

06:30been working with the state,

06:32the governor. The mayor, the

06:35county executive, all of our

06:36senators, everybody else to try

06:38to identify the funding to take

06:39that building down, which we

06:40have sourced that through

06:41governor's budget. And with

06:45everyone's help, we'll start

06:47that as quickly as we possibly

06:48can.

06:49>> Okay. Any other questions,

06:50comments, concerns from council

06:51members, Council member Gruber.

06:54>> Thanks. And this is a

06:55question for the administration.

06:56So I appreciate you being there.

06:59Where did the $20 million

07:01budget come from? Was it did we

07:03help produce that budget?

07:06>> That is something that was

07:08put together by Whitestone and

07:11the development team. We had

07:13been working with them in the

07:16past in an attempt to secure

07:18funding to move this abatement

07:21and demolition along, and this

07:25year, they were able to secure

07:26those dollars directly through

07:27the state.

07:29>> Why? Why have the city.

07:32Patrick deputy, possibly a

07:34question for you. Why is the

07:36city the pass through for this?

07:37I mean, what what happens if

07:39the budget is substantially

07:40higher than 20 million at the

07:42end of the day, or below 20

07:44million somehow? What are we on

07:45the hook for at that point?

07:48>> I can answer that.

07:51>> I wouldn't mind hearing from

07:52the administration first, and

07:53then I'm happy to hear your

07:55perspective as well.

07:55>> I'll just I'll just state

07:57that we did have conversations

07:58with with ESD shortly after the

08:02announcement was made that they

08:04had an interest in, in having

08:06the city serve as a pass

08:08through. And it's structured

08:10very similarly to a Restore New

08:13York grant, like you've seen

08:17come through here before, right

08:19where the city passes the

08:20dollars through. No city

08:23dollars are actually involved.

08:24Right. And the the funds come

08:26through at the typically for

08:28Restore New York at the at the

08:30end of the project, after

08:31certification of completion. In

08:32this case, it'll be a little

08:34different given the size.

08:36>> Got it. Anything you wanted

08:37to add to that?

08:38>> No, that that's accurate.

08:40>> So I'm just I'm curious what

08:41what hap what's our

08:43responsibility? If somehow this

08:44becomes a $22 million

08:46demolition, are we responsible

08:47for coming up with any

08:48additional dollars?

08:49>> No. There's no commitment

08:50for city dollars to be part of

08:51this. It's just to be stewards

08:53of the 20 million being passed

08:55through from the state. So we

08:56will be reviewing progress

09:00requests for payment, making

09:02sure that everything is is

09:04appropriate, and then signing

09:05off on that before the state

09:08dollars are passed through.

09:09>> And Mr. George, you, you,

09:11you helped create the $20

09:12million budget. You feel fairly

09:14confident. That's what that's

09:14what this is going to cost.

09:16>> Yeah. And then we are

09:17responsible for any funding

09:19over 20 million, which it is

09:21going to be more than 20

09:22million. But the cap and max,

09:24coming from any government

09:25entity is 20 million. That's

09:27fortunately from executive

09:29budget, the governor's

09:30executive budget, and then the

09:31assembly of the state.

09:32>> And so contractually, you,

09:35your company is obligated to

09:36pay whatever the overages are.

09:38Oh. Got it. Okay. Thank you.

09:40>> Any other questions,

09:41comments or concerns? Seeing

09:44none. I need a motion in a

09:45second. Thank you sir.

09:47>> Move it second.

09:49>> Moved in second. And now we

09:51vote. All in favor of

09:52introductory number 357, please

09:53say aye. Aye. All opposed?

09:56Introductory passes. Thank you,

09:57sir. Thank you. All right.

10:00Introductory number 358.

10:02Authorizing a term agreement

10:03for property acquisition

10:04compliance services.

10:07Commissioner, this is something

10:08that we do regularly. Could you

10:09just speak to it briefly?

10:12>> Yes, sure. I'd be happy to.

10:13This is not it's a new term

10:17agreement, but we it replaces

10:18an existing term agreement that

10:20was put in place in 2021 that

10:23expires this November. Our K

10:27height has been a long time

10:30consultant for the city and

10:31providing these services

10:35related to real property

10:38acquisition through DPL and

10:42Uniform Relocation Act services,

10:44and also when property is

10:48acquired for. Dot projects.

10:52>> Okay.

10:53>> Any questions, comments or

10:54concerns Council member. Monroe.

11:01>> Has there been much of an

11:02increase from the. This last

11:05contract to the. This new one.

11:08This proposed one.

11:12>> Increase in. In I apologize.

11:14>> Sorry. As you have the. Yeah.

11:15The different menu items or if

11:16you could provide that in

11:18writing the ones from the most

11:19recent.

11:20>> Yeah, we'd we'd be happy to

11:21follow up in writing. We

11:22certainly use their services

11:23quite a bit.

11:24>> Okay then my other question

11:26is are there no other New York

11:29state contractors who can do

11:32this work?

11:36>> I'm gonna ask Rick if he

11:40could weigh in on that.

11:43>> Thank you, Council member.

11:45To our knowledge, and we've

11:47searched for this type of firm

11:50that provides these specialized

11:52services for some time now.

11:54We've not found this type of

11:58firm that has a local presence

12:01in Rochester. I think over the

12:03years, there may have been some

12:05firms in other parts of the

12:06state, not within this region.

12:09But again, we I guess we enjoy

12:12the the reality that this firm

12:14is here locally with boots on

12:16the ground, so to speak, to

12:19really help make these services

12:20more efficient for the

12:23businesses or the tenants that

12:24get relocated.

12:28>> So they're headquartered in

12:30Albany, but then they also have

12:31an office here in the city.

12:33>> Yeah. The, the, the Albany

12:35address is the address of the

12:39former president's brother,

12:40Michael Height. Richard Height,

12:42who had passed away a number of

12:43years ago. It was local. And

12:47his son and wife are actually

12:49still running the local office,

12:50if you will. But his brother

12:53Michael, who is taking the role

12:55of president, is in Albany. So

12:57that's why they've used that

12:58mailing address.

13:00>> Thank you.

13:01>> All right. Any other

13:02questions, comments or concerns?

13:05Seeing none. Need a motion in a

13:06second.

13:09>> Move it.

13:10>> Second moved in second. And

13:11now we vote. All in favor of

13:13introductory number 358. Please

13:14say aye.

13:15>> Aye.

13:16>> All opposed say nay.

13:18Introductory passes

13:20introductory number 359.

13:21Authorizing the mandatory

13:22intermunicipal agreement with

13:23the Monroe County, with Monroe

13:25County, and amending the 2026

13:282027 budget related to lead

13:29paint poisoning prevention

13:30Inspection Services

13:31Commissioner, could you just

13:32speak briefly about why the

13:33county has decided to give us

13:35more money and how much money

13:37they're giving us?

13:40>> So it's due to the good work

13:43that the City of Rochester is

13:45doing as it relates to our lead

13:46program. So they have some

13:48extra funds and they decide to

13:50pass it on to us to continue

13:52the work.

13:52>> Okay. And just for the

13:54record, because people can't

13:55see the transmittal, how much

13:56more money are they giving us?

13:57I'm sorry, how much more money

13:59are they giving us?

14:00>> So it's 109 for the next

14:02three years, 109,000.

14:04>> Yeah. Okay. Any questions,

14:06comments or concerns? Council

14:10member Monroe.

14:12>> At this time, are all the

14:14dust wipes done in the high the

14:16targeted areas or is it across

14:19the whole city?

14:21>> So the PHL1377 it it just

14:25applies to the lead paint high

14:28risk area. But the city of

14:30Rochester, we still continue to

14:32wipe across the city.

14:33>> For the CFO's. Yes. Okay. I

14:38don't know. Is do we use Xrefs

14:41at all to see if it is lead.

14:45And why is that?

14:47>> Those are some expensive

14:49machines equipment, I should

14:51say. That's not something that

14:53we'll be able to afford.

14:55>> Thank you.

14:58>> Any other questions,

14:59comments or concerns?

15:00>> Move it.

15:02>> Second.

15:02>> Moved and seconded. And now

15:04we vote. All in favor of

15:05introductory number 359. Please

15:06say aye. Aye. All opposed?

15:08Please say nay. Introductory

15:10passes. Introductory number 360.

15:13Local law authorizing an

15:14amendment to the District plan

15:16for the High Falls Business

15:17Improvement District public

15:19Hearing to be held on Thursday,

15:21October 15th, 2026 at 6 p.m.

15:24Questions, comments or concerns?

15:27Seeing none, I need a motion

15:29and a second.

15:31>> Move.

15:32>> It second.

15:33>> Moved and seconded. And now

15:34we vote. All in favor of

15:36introductory number 360. Please

15:37say aye. Aye. All opposed?

15:39Please say nay. Introductory

15:42passes. Introductory number 361.

15:46Amending the zoning map by

15:47changing the zoning

15:48classification of 30 Ulmerton

15:50Road Public Hearing to be held

15:51on Thursday, October 15th, 2026

15:55at 6 p.m. Commissioner, could

15:57you briefly speak to what is

15:59going on here and why we should

16:02consider this?

16:05>> Yeah, actually, I will ask

16:07Matt Simmons to handle that.

16:09>> Thank you, Chair Patterson.

16:12So this property at 30 Elmhurst

16:15Road is a currently legal as a

16:17single family dwelling. It's

16:19immediately west of the Taco

16:21Bell on the west side of Mount

16:22Hope. The applicant, Harbor

16:26House of Rochester came to us

16:30to establish this hospitality

16:33use that they house multiple

16:36family members that have

16:38patients in local hospitals

16:39receiving medical care. So they,

16:42the transient use or the

16:44transient occupancy of it. With

16:46the coming and going and having

16:47people there for multiple

16:49people at multiple hospitals

16:51does not fit into the R1 zoning

16:54district. So they are proposing

16:57they have made the application,

16:59and the Planning Commission has

17:00recommended approval to move it

17:02from R1 to C2, which is a

17:07district that will first permit

17:09their use.

17:10>> All right. Any questions,

17:12comments or concerns Council

17:13member Lupien.

17:16>> How is this different than

17:17spot zoning or is that what

17:19this is?

17:19>> No, it's not spot zoning. So

17:21the benefit of this property

17:22being immediately adjacent to

17:23the properties along Mount Hope,

17:26it is able to be tied into, if

17:29you will, the existing mixed

17:30use district immediately

17:32adjacent to this parcel.

17:36>> Any other questions,

17:37comments or concerns? Seeing

17:40none. Need a motion and a

17:41second move. It moved and

17:45seconded. And now we vote. All

17:46in favor of introductory number

17:47361. Please say aye. Aye. All

17:50opposed? Please say nay.

17:51Introductory passes

17:53introductory number 362.

17:55Amending the zoning map by

17:56changing the zoning

17:58classification of 955 North

17:59Goodman Street and 576 Bay

18:01Street. Public hearing to be

18:02held on Thursday, October 15th,

18:042026 at 6 p.m. Commissioner,

18:06can you or your representatives

18:07speak to why we should be

18:09considering this.

18:11>> Very similar to the to the

18:14previous one in in terms of the

18:16the description, I'll let I'll

18:18let Matt handle any specifics.

18:21>> You get to hear my voice

18:22again. So this project is

18:24related to the currently vacant

18:27city school number 25 and some

18:30immediately adjacent land that

18:33has a development proposal to

18:36convert an existing building on

18:37one parcel and then construct

18:39new dwelling units on a parcel

18:42across the street. And this

18:44developer is the transcription

18:47in the City Council legislation

18:49describes they need to have the

18:51parcels in a zoning district,

18:53which permits their multifamily

18:56use. So this is another

18:59application that the Planning

19:00Commission heard and has

19:02recommended approval for

19:03council to adopt.

19:06>> Alright, before I ask for

19:08any questions, comments or

19:09concerns, is there anyone who

19:10needs to disclose anything?

19:13>> Yes, I will be disclosing

19:15that I work for Iberoamerican

19:17Development Corporation and I

19:18will not participate in

19:19discussion or the vote.

19:21>> Thank you. All right. With

19:23that said, are there any

19:24questions, comments or concerns?

19:25So we'll just come down the

19:26line. Council member Leslie

19:27Smith.

19:29>> Just out of curiosity,

19:30particularly with school 25, is

19:33was it not already zoned at a

19:34higher zoning or did it lose

19:37its.

19:38>> It was not. It's currently

19:39located in the R1 low density

19:41district.

19:42>> But the the parcel itself,

19:45being that it was a school was

19:47still zoned as. R1.

19:48>> That's correct. Yes.

19:53>> Council member.

19:55>> There was a a a fire there

19:57recently, I believe. Last week.

19:58But does that impact the

20:01proposal going forward?

20:03>> I will defer to the

20:04commissioner on that.

20:06>> Not at not at this time, no.

20:09We'll work with the development

20:11team as more information is

20:14available. But the proposal is

20:16still moving forward, and this

20:18helps to facilitate discussions

20:21with the state for financing.

20:23>> Thank you.

20:24>> Okay. Cool project. It

20:26actually spans the East

20:27District and the Northeast

20:28district, which is kind of

20:29interesting. One side is three

20:31to the East District. The other

20:32side street is in Northeast

20:33District. So questions,

20:34comments or concerns seeing

20:35none need a motion in a second.

20:39>> Move.

20:39>> It second.

20:40>> Moved and seconded. And now

20:42we vote. All in favor of the

20:43item please say aye. Aye. All

20:45opposed? Please say nay.

20:47Abstain and abstain.

20:49Introductory passes before we

20:51adjourn. Council member Lupien,

20:52would you like to record votes

20:54for the items that you weren't

20:55here for?

20:56>> Yes.

20:56>> All right. So. Clerk, can

21:01you share with the council

21:02member what those items were so

21:03she can record a vote?

21:10>> Introductory number 355

21:12authorizing the sale of real

21:13estate.

21:14>> Yes.

21:15>> Introductory number 356

21:17authorizing an agreement with

21:19Rochester Land Bank Corporation

21:20regarding the acquisition of

21:22properties offered through the

21:24city's 2026 tax foreclosure

21:27auction.

21:28>> Yes.

21:30>> Introductory number 357

21:32authorizing agreements and

21:35appropriation related to the

21:36Terrence Building demolition.

21:38>> Yes.

21:39>> Introductory number 358

21:41authorizing a term agreement

21:42for property acquisition

21:45compliance services.

21:46>> Yes.

21:46>> Yes. Okay. That's it.

21:48>> All right. With that, there

21:50is no other business before

21:51this committee, and we stand

21:52adjourned.

21:56>> As the administration takes

21:58their seats. I just want to.

22:02Encourage council members to

22:03look at the report on your desk.

22:05The Commission on Race.

22:06Unfortunately, Doctor Lucas

22:07couldn't be here for a

22:08presentation today, but

22:09provided this in writing

22:10instead. So we'll take five

22:12minutes before we start the

22:13meeting for folks to just

22:15review this if they'd like to.

24:10At this time, I will call the

24:12budget, Finance and Governance

24:13Committee to order, and I ask

24:14the Deputy Clerk to please call

24:16the Roll.

24:18>> Council member Gruber here.

24:20Council member Martin here.

24:23Council member Smith, vice

24:26president Harris excused.

24:28President Melendez here. Thank

24:30you.

24:31>> And let the record show

24:32we're joined by the rest of

24:34council members. I will I just

24:35wanted to call the meeting to

24:37order, but I'm happy to still

24:39give people a few minutes to

24:40finish reading on this report.

24:43While folks do that, I'll just

24:45share that. Well, actually,

24:48I'll I'll ask Lily what, how

24:51how many years have we been

24:52contracting with the Urban

24:53League now to administer the

24:55kind of race report movement?

24:58Three okay. So we're this is

25:03just a a renewal, but thought

25:05it would be a good time for the

25:06council just to get an update

25:08on how things are going for the

25:10race Commission, and also ask

25:12Doctor Lucas to provide a brief

25:14overview of kind of what what

25:16is in store for the year to

25:17come. So. I'll just give folks

25:21two minutes. And if anyone

25:22wants to ask questions of Lily

25:25and the administration

25:26afterwards, we can do so.

26:03>> Jay Gruber.

26:06>> Yes.

26:06>> I, I think related to this

26:08report and, and I, I need to

26:10read it more thoroughly, but

26:11what would be helpful to me

26:15would be to understand what the

26:19current priorities are relative

26:21specific to the city and what

26:24legislative or budgetary. Asks

26:27the Race Commission or any of

26:29the carts have for for of city

26:33government, because I think the

26:35challenge that I have with with

26:37what's not with the race

26:39Commission itself, but with how

26:43large the report was, was not

26:46only where to start, but what

26:47has happened and what still

26:48needs to happen. And I think

26:50just getting some focus, some

26:51granular focus on what the

26:52current priorities are would be

26:54helpful.

26:56>> Yeah, I, I wish, I wish we

26:59were able to coordinate

27:00schedules so that the Urban

27:02League could be here to respond

27:03to that. But I think we should

27:05we should put that question in

27:06writing. I'll certainly turn it

27:08over to Lily. If there's

27:09anything you want to share

27:10about from an answer from that

27:12perspective.

27:18>> I think providing.

27:22>> Council Member Leslie Smith.

27:24>> And maybe this needs to be

27:26in writing as well, unless Lily

27:27can answer it, I. I totally

27:29understand what the race

27:30Commission is, what it's set

27:31out to do. I don't quite

27:33understand the relationship

27:35between the city and the Urban

27:37League. I know it was initially

27:38led by the Urban League, but

27:40the city sounds like have made

27:41some commitments financially to

27:43help move it forward. So if we

27:45could kind of speak to that and

27:47understand our role and

27:49responsibility in that, and

27:51maybe any staffing that the

27:53city is providing toward it as

27:56well.

27:57>> Very briefly. And we can

27:59also provide that in writing to

28:01you. We have a lot of

28:05recommendations over 200. Some

28:07are the county, some are the

28:09cities, and some are to the

28:11community. Different

28:13organizations, the the Urban

28:15League help us keep track of

28:17the implementation process,

28:19hold us responsible in regards

28:22to the implementation component

28:23of it, but I could better

28:26provide that in writing.

28:27>> Do you mind? Can I offer can

28:29I offer a bit of clarity as

28:31well? So the the only thing I

28:33would just add is that the

28:34Urban League actually had

28:35nothing to do with the original

28:37creation of the Race Commission.

28:38It was a commission appointed

28:39by city and county. And in fact,

28:43Doctor Lucas, who is clearly

28:44the the the quarterback of this

28:47right now at the time was a

28:49county employee. After the

28:51commission was after the report

28:53was finalized. I'm forgetting

28:55the name, but there was a kind

28:57of third party out of the

29:00Midwest somewhere that was

29:01hired by the city and the

29:02county to, to kind of help

29:05facilitate the actual

29:07implementation. And it didn't

29:09seem like a very good fit. And

29:11shortly afterwards, the Urban

29:12League took over that

29:13commitment. And so, Lily,

29:16correct me or, or can you

29:18confirm that the city and

29:19county both provide the same

29:21funding to the Urban League?

29:23And I think what they're what

29:25what their bread and butter is,

29:26and this report demonstrates it.

29:28It's not just helping us keep

29:30track of the reports, but it's

29:31also the community engagement,

29:32which was always a huge part of

29:34the race process, which is why

29:37there's all these carts now

29:38that the Urban League

29:39facilitates. Any other

29:42questions on this, either for

29:44Lily or for us to put in

29:46writing to send to the Urban

29:47League Council member Martin.

29:49>> In writing, can you just

29:51provide the dates the different

29:53carts meet so maybe we can pop

29:55in. That's it.

29:57>> Any further questions?

29:59Councilmember Lupien?

30:03>> Questions about the the

30:06report document or the updates

30:09for the education cart. If you

30:10could provide these in writing,

30:12do they. I see that they're

30:14they work with the Rock

30:15Community Table Education Group.

30:16Are they also working with rock,

30:18rock, rock the future. And for

30:22the housing cart? Do they have

30:26a document they could share

30:27with the zoning policies that

30:28they are advocating for in the

30:31Zap? Thanks.

30:34>> Thanks. Any further

30:35questions? Okay. If not, that's

30:39a great opportunity for us to

30:40jump into the legislation. And

30:41I'll start with introductory

30:42number 363, which is

30:44authorizing and a mandatory

30:45agreement related to race

30:47recommendation, oversight. Any

30:48questions, comments or concerns?

30:51If not, I'll take a motion.

30:55It's been moved. Second and

30:58seconded. All in favor, please

30:59say I, I any opposed? Motion

31:03carries. Introduction number

31:05364 authorizing an agreement

31:06and appropriating funds

31:07relating to the Financial

31:09Empowerment Center program. Any

31:10questions, comments or concerns?

31:14If not, I'll take a motion.

31:15>> Please move it.

31:17>> So moved and seconded. All

31:19in favor, please say I I any

31:22opposed? Motion carries.

31:26Introductory number 365

31:27authorizing and a mandatory

31:28agreement related to financial

31:30education for the Our Future

31:31Fund Children's Savings Account

31:32program. Any questions,

31:33comments or concerns? If not,

31:36I'll take a motion. It's been

31:39moved and seconded. All in

31:41favor, please say aye. Aye. Any

31:43opposed? Motion carries.

31:45Introductory number 366.

31:48Authorizing an agreement and

31:49appropriating funds relating to

31:50the Financial Empowerment

31:51Center program. Any questions,

31:52comments or concerns? If not,

31:55I'll take a motion.

31:57>> Move.

31:58>> It moved.

31:59>> And seconded. All in favor,

32:00please say I I any opposed?

32:03Motion carries. Introductory

32:05number 367 authorizing an

32:07agreement relating to

32:09supervisory skills training

32:10programs. Any questions,

32:11comments or concerns? Question

32:15a question, President Melendez.

32:18>> Yes, I want to make sure

32:21that all departments, including

32:23Council clerk, have access to

32:25this program. How does this

32:27open up to all staff?

32:35>> So the program is available

32:36to all supervisors within the

32:38city of Rochester. We promote

32:40it through email communication

32:42to each one of the employees

32:44within the city of Rochester.

32:46So all managers and supervisors

32:48are invited to participate.

32:51>> Great. So I, I guess my

32:53follow up expectation is that

32:55we will investigate this and

32:57see if it makes sense for our

32:58team. Thank you very much.

33:00>> You're most welcome.

33:02>> Any additional questions? If

33:04not, I'll take a motion. It's

33:06been moved and seconded. All in

33:08favor, please say aye. Aye. Any

33:11opposed? Motion carries.

33:13Introductory number 368.

33:15Authorizing an agreement

33:16related to computer training

33:18services. Any questions,

33:20comments or concerns? If not,

33:23I'll take a motion, please.

33:27It's been moved and seconded.

33:29All in favor, please say aye.

33:31Aye. Any opposed? Motion

33:33carries. Introductory number

33:36369. Authorizing an agreement

33:37for the 2026 ROC Holiday

33:39Village event. Any questions,

33:41comments or concerns? Council

33:42Member Martin.

33:43>> Can you provide in writing

33:45please, a budget breakdown of

33:47what's covered this year and

33:48the previous year. Just trying

33:51to understand the changes in

33:54the amounts.

33:58>> You're asking specifically

34:00for ROC Holiday Village. Yes.

34:03>> ROC Holiday Village Center

34:06369 previously was 72,000 and

34:08now 62. Just trying to get a

34:10picture of the reason for the

34:12change.

34:12>> So we presented this earlier

34:14this year. We are reducing

34:16across the board, just based on

34:18budget budgetary limitations.

34:20So every large event, over

34:23$50,000 received a slight

34:26decrease. And this is ROC

34:28Holiday Village's decrease.

34:30>> Gotcha. Thank you.

34:33>> And with the $10,000

34:36reduction which is flat across

34:37the board, are there any

34:39changes in services to the

34:40community?

34:43>> There are no changes in

34:45services or programing.

34:48>> Lovely. Thank you. Any

34:49further questions? If not, I'll

34:51take a motion.

34:53>> Move it.

34:53>> It's been moved and seconded.

34:55All in favor, please say aye.

34:57Aye. Any opposed? Motion

34:59carries. Introduction number

35:01370. Authorizing library

35:03construction grants. Any

35:04questions, comments or concerns?

35:09Not. I'll take a motion. So

35:11moved. Second and seconded. All

35:12in favor, please say aye. Aye.

35:14Any opposed? Motion carries.

35:17And finally a tweener

35:18introduction number 376. A

35:20resolution appointing members

35:21of the Compensation Policy

35:24Commission. Any questions,

35:26comments or concerns Council

35:26member Lupien.

35:29>> How did we, as a council

35:31body, decide who was going to

35:34be appointed to the Commission?

35:37>> Through the previous. I can

35:38answer that.

35:40>> I you you have to because I

35:42learned about it. At the same

35:43time, the Council member Lupien

35:44did sure.

35:45>> So the previous legislation

35:48had the appointees from the

35:50mayor and the Council president.

35:51And so I took the charge and

35:56put forward recommendations.

36:03>> I guess I was not aware that

36:06this was coming through, to be

36:08able to be in a position to

36:10make alternate recommendations

36:11if I had wanted. Did I miss it?

36:14>> Yeah. When we passed the

36:15legislation the first time, I

36:17think anyone could have in the

36:18last six months or whatever

36:20it's been put forward, ideas or

36:23recommendations. It's been

36:24sitting here and I decided to

36:26move it.

36:26>> I appreciate that you moved

36:28it. I guess I figured it was

36:30going to die and not come back.

36:32So I, I didn't know we were

36:33gonna do anything with it. And

36:35I'm happy that we are. But I, I

36:39wonder what criteria you use to

36:42select folks.

36:43>> Sure. I'm happy to talk

36:45about the two candidates that

36:46came from the council side. I,

36:48I can't speak to the mayor

36:50designations. So from the

36:52council side, Sabrina Lamar is

36:55a former legislator and

36:57understands the role of what we

37:00do, although from the county

37:02perspective, also put forward

37:04legislation in the county to

37:07have a commission. Look at the

37:09the pay of county legislators.

37:11So I thought from that

37:12perspective and experience that

37:13she would lend us a good voice

37:16to this process on on our side.

37:18And then Gladys Pedraza. Burgos

37:21has a ton of experience in the

37:24public sector, private sector,

37:27nonprofit government, in terms

37:30of being in various roles, both

37:33at the U of R and nonprofit

37:36spaces at our CSD has an

37:39understanding of salary bands

37:41from different perspectives. So

37:43I thought she would also, as a

37:45as a citizen, now retired,

37:47provide some perspective for us

37:50as as we convene this group to

37:52make a recommendation.

37:53>> I appreciate the thought

37:54that you put into it, and it

37:56seems like you have a

37:58well-rounded selection. My

38:01other question was, do you have

38:05an idea of how this will be put

38:08together, or are we relying on

38:11former legislator Lamar's

38:12experience in doing that at the

38:13county?

38:15>> Well, I, I think in the

38:17original legislation, the we

38:20named the chair of the Civil

38:22Service Commission as the chair

38:24of this committee. In terms of

38:27how they. They will have the

38:30charge in terms of their

38:31process, I. I can't speak to

38:33that.

38:33>> So they're going to be

38:35responsible for kind of coming

38:36up with how they do the work.

38:38Okay. And will we what kind of

38:42updates will we get along the

38:44way?

38:45>> I think we can probably get

38:47that in the next before the

38:49council meeting in writing,

38:50because I, I don't know what

38:52the timeline is in the process

38:54in the original legislation, if

38:55you recall, we actually were

38:58asking for a recommendation by

39:00the month of October, and

39:02obviously we're behind the

39:04eight ball on that. So I think

39:06we'd have to understand what a

39:08realistic timeline would be and

39:10what the turnaround on a

39:12recommendation could be.

39:13>> Okay. Thank you.

39:14>> Welcome.

39:16>> Council member Monroe.

39:23>> Are the resumes of each of

39:24the members on file in the

39:26clerk's office?

39:28>> Yes, yes.

39:34>> And I do have I do have

39:36serious reservations about a

39:39designee, and I want to share

39:43that. As it stands, I would not

39:45be in favor of this.

39:52>> Any further questions,

39:53Councilmember Martin?

39:55>> So can I and I've I've had

39:57this conversation, but I would

39:58like to recommend some kind of

40:02an academic role involved in

40:03this. Someone who has studied,

40:05you know, salaries, pay equity.

40:07There are a lot of people who

40:09do work around the impact of

40:11pay on governments and small

40:13cities. And I think while lived

40:15experience is important, it

40:17would be great to have that

40:19coupled with some academic

40:22analytical elements, to provide

40:24the strongest recommendation to

40:25the body. That's it.

40:29>> Councilmember Patterson.

40:33>> So Council, Council

40:35president, can can we have a

40:36little conversation a little

40:38bit here? Sure. Okay. So

40:41colleagues, nobody said a

40:45mumbling word about this for

40:46the last X number of months. I

40:49reached out to the mayor. I'm

40:51sorry. I reached out to the

40:53president, the vice president,

40:54and said, hey, we need to do

40:56something with this because

40:57it's just been sitting here. I

41:00commend the I commend the

41:03president for moving this

41:04forward, because quite simply,

41:06it was just sitting here and

41:08nobody said a thing. I you know,

41:12look. Obviously everybody gets

41:16to make the recommendations you

41:18want to make. Everybody gets to

41:19vote the way you want to vote.

41:21But we all been saying these

41:25last couple of months, nobody's

41:26been speaking to it. So we got

41:28a chance to move forward, let

41:31the commission meet, let them

41:33move forward. And I would

41:35encourage council members to

41:36stay as far away from the folks

41:39making this salary

41:40recommendation as you possibly

41:41can, because that's what I'm

41:43going to do. I know two of the

41:45folks very well. They're good

41:46people, actually. I know three

41:47of the folks very well. They're

41:49good people. Doctor Nichols.

41:52And you know, I'm not talking

41:54to anybody about this. I want

41:56to hear what they come up with

41:57and whatever they come up with,

41:59then you get to vote. But, you

42:01know, the president moves. He

42:03makes an action and folks got

42:07opinions. Well, that's her job.

42:08We all got opinions. But I

42:10would encourage folks to be

42:11like, look, let the thing

42:13happen. Let's see what they

42:14come back with and then have a

42:15whole conversation afterwards.

42:16That's my two bits.

42:18>> Councilman Martin.

42:20>> Council member Patterson, I

42:21just want to clarify something.

42:22You you mentioned that this was

42:24sitting and you reached out to

42:26the president and the vice

42:27president to get these this

42:29moving. Right. So are these

42:32names, recommendations you made?

42:36>> Okay.

42:41>> I can't say what the way I

42:43really want to say it, but oh

42:44heck no. Not only did I not

42:46make recommendations, no, not

42:48only did I not make

42:50recommendations, I would never

42:51make recommendations on this.

42:53It's important that we as

42:54council members stay as far

42:56away from this as possible.

42:59Look, you got some names you

43:02could have picked Wynken,

43:03Blynken and nod for all I care.

43:05Put somebody on the commission.

43:06Let's go. They'll come back

43:08with a recommendation. It'll be

43:10what it is. Then we can have a

43:12whole conversation about

43:13whether or not we think that is

43:14too high or too low, or you

43:16don't want to raise or whoever.

43:18We can have that whole

43:19conversation later. But, you

43:20know, originally this was

43:21supposed to have happened so

43:22much longer ago that we would

43:24have already had a

43:25recommendation by now. We're

43:26behind. Let them come together,

43:28let them do this work. Let them

43:29work. Let the work be the work.

43:34>> Yeah, I, I, I think it's

43:37just an inherently difficult,

43:38difficult conversation, right?

43:40Because you're saying people

43:41shouldn't make recommendations,

43:42but then the president is

43:43making recommendations and his

43:45salary is also going to be part

43:47of the analysis.

43:49>> That is a specific in

43:51particular duty. Yes.

43:52>> Got it. But my

43:54recommendation stands. Some

43:56academic analysis would be

43:58great. In addition to the folks

44:00that are being put forth. Thank

44:02you.

44:04>> Any further questions or

44:05comments? Councilmember Lupien.

44:08>> Yeah, I, I guess I figured

44:10that this would go the way of

44:11the ad hoc charter commission

44:14that we were gonna put together

44:15five years ago. So I'd like to

44:17put on the record that it would

44:18be great if we could do that to.

44:21>> Councilmember Leslie Smith.

44:23>> Yeah, I just I think I have

44:26thoughts around how we bring

44:28things back. And this has it

44:32fell off my radar, but we also

44:35talked about a few other things,

44:37like what we spend money on as

44:39a. So I maybe I just want to go

44:41on record and saying, I'd like

44:43to have that meeting and maybe

44:44be a part of that discussion

44:46because I, I think I was under

44:49the impression that we were

44:50going to do some kind of

44:54meeting with the, what do we

44:55call it, caucus of some kind,

44:57where perhaps this would come

45:00up. And I could be wrong with

45:02that, but I do think that there

45:04are a few things that have been

45:06sitting around all year long.

45:08So maybe right now, on October

45:116th, we can all agree that if

45:14there's anything that sort of

45:15just hanging out there, maybe

45:17let's pull this. I know we've

45:19got a lot going on, but those

45:21topics are important and I

45:24would like to be a part of the

45:26discussion as well.

45:29>> Any further questions on 376?

45:35Okay. I'm gonna ask us for a

45:40motion and a second.

45:45>> Councilmember. Maybe we

45:46should hold it, given that it

45:48just was introduced today.

45:51>> Okay. Is that what the rest

45:53of the committee like as well?

45:57Then 376 is held and with no

45:59further business, the budget,

46:00Finance and Governance

46:02Committee stands adjourned.

46:19So

48:09>> All truth.

50:35I love about you.

50:37And almost like I got it, but I

50:40left it at the thing. But yeah,

50:42that's what I told you. I was

50:44going to give you a cup. So

50:46yeah. He came over.

51:55We get it

52:27Long time no see, I. I'm

52:31good man. I ain't never got it

52:34back. As you get older wake up,

52:38get up and get it. You get all

52:41three like, hey, like we're

52:44winning. So like I, I say that

52:48to somebody and they were like,

52:49you know, set your standards

52:51today. I'm like, I haven't

52:52lived long enough. So you those

52:57three things for Randy bro.

52:59Some days if you just get one.

53:04That's up.

53:14>> This is another. Eight pages

53:18long. Yes. I said, can we get

53:37it done now? Bang bang bang. Go.

53:40Like I ain't fighting about it.

53:57I want to know.

56:37Why. No, no.

56:41It's true. It's a problem. I'm.

56:43I'm thinking about treatment.

56:58What you say? You say nothing

57:00about all this.

58:55Matter of fact,

59:24An option. And

59:25we choose to do is up to you.

59:38Yes. He is worried about nobody

59:48else we like. Yeah. You're

59:51right. Yeah.

1:00:38Alright. We've got.

1:01:01Another. Air conditioning

1:01:28>> All right. Good afternoon

1:01:30everyone. Tonight we are

1:01:32meeting to act on one item

1:01:35related to introductory number

1:01:37326 appropriating funds and

1:01:39authorizing an agreement

1:01:40related to Peace Village. The

1:01:42special meeting will now come

1:01:43to order and ask the deputy

1:01:45clerk to call the roll.

1:01:47>> Council member Gruber.

1:01:49Council member Leslie Smith

1:01:50here. Council member. Lupien.

1:01:53>> Here.

1:01:53>> Council member. Martin.

1:01:55>> Here.

1:01:55>> Council member. Monroe.

1:01:57>> Here.

1:01:57>> Council member. Paterson.

1:01:59>> Here.

1:01:59>> Council member. Smith. Vice.

1:02:02President. Harris. Excused.

1:02:04President Melendez. Here.

1:02:05>> Thank you. Thank you. So

1:02:08before we begin, I would like

1:02:10to ask the council to join me

1:02:11in a moment of silence. This

1:02:13month is Cancer Awareness Month.

1:02:15And there are our colleagues

1:02:17all have this pin pink pin

1:02:20related to breast cancer

1:02:22awareness, and wanted to take a

1:02:24moment to recognize all the

1:02:26challenges and all the people

1:02:27who have lost loved ones due to

1:02:29cancer in the community. So

1:02:31please join me in a moment of

1:02:33silence. Thank you. Council

1:02:45Member Leslie Smith, will you

1:02:47please lead us in the Pledge of

1:02:48Allegiance?

1:03:12All right. So

1:03:14introductory number 326,

1:03:15appropriating funds and

1:03:16authorizing an agreement

1:03:17related to Peace Village. I'd

1:03:19like to make a motion to

1:03:20discharge 326 from committee.

1:03:21Can I have a second? It's been

1:03:24seconded. Let's move. Let's

1:03:25vote on discharging from

1:03:27committee. All in favor, please

1:03:28say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

1:03:31Motion carries. So before I

1:03:35make a motion to amend, I would

1:03:38like to highlight that we're

1:03:39gonna have two amendments,

1:03:42actually two separate

1:03:43amendments, but multiple

1:03:44sections that we're looking at.

1:03:47But before I do that, I, I just

1:03:49want to say thank you to

1:03:51everyone who's worked and

1:03:54waited patiently as the council

1:03:57went through the process of

1:03:59reviewing this legislation. I

1:04:01want to thank my colleagues for

1:04:02the work that's been done in

1:04:04the last two weeks. There's

1:04:06been much work done around the

1:04:08contracting, which we'll talk

1:04:09about, as well as making sure

1:04:13that we set this up to be as

1:04:14successful as possible from

1:04:16from the get go up front. I

1:04:19also want to say that I know

1:04:22personally that this will not

1:04:23be a panacea. This will not

1:04:25solve all of our challenges in

1:04:27the community, and that this is

1:04:29really a starting point for

1:04:31larger conversations that we

1:04:32need to continue to have in

1:04:33this community, and including

1:04:37with our partners in government,

1:04:40whether that's the state, the

1:04:42county, other parts of the

1:04:45community. In terms of the

1:04:47nonprofit sector, people who

1:04:49are working in the space of

1:04:51addressing challenges related

1:04:53to our own house community, as

1:04:56well as the shelter system, and

1:04:58on and on and on. This is the

1:05:01start of a broader conversation

1:05:03and an action that I believe

1:05:05this council will be at the

1:05:08forefront of leading alongside

1:05:11the administration, who has

1:05:12spent a lot of time working on

1:05:14this project over the last

1:05:15several years, not just the

1:05:17last couple of months, last

1:05:18couple years since we

1:05:20introduced the pallet concept

1:05:23and the idea that we would

1:05:25convert the site, the former

1:05:26site of Peace Village, into a

1:05:27pallet shelter community. I

1:05:30also want to commend those who

1:05:31have been in the community

1:05:33working on this project, from

1:05:35City Roots Community Land Trust

1:05:38to PCHO to others who are just

1:05:40vested stakeholders and want to

1:05:42see alternative solutions occur

1:05:45in our community. So with that,

1:05:47I'll make a motion to amend

1:05:49introductory number 326 to

1:05:50revise the grant agreement to

1:05:53go to person centered housing

1:05:54options Incorporated contingent

1:05:57on PCHO entering into a ground

1:05:59lease or operating lease with

1:06:01City Roots Land Trust. And the

1:06:03grant agreement shall contain a

1:06:05provision prohibiting armed

1:06:07security on premise. So that is

1:06:09the First Amendment. So if you

1:06:11were to look at sections two

1:06:14and sections three of the

1:06:16amendments that are in front of

1:06:17the council, that highlights

1:06:19the changes in the term. Any

1:06:21questions comments concerns.

1:06:23Actually, can I have a second

1:06:24on that amendment? Yes. Council

1:06:27member Patterson.

1:06:31>> We we have two amendments

1:06:32before us that are I, I mean,

1:06:36they're they're virtually the

1:06:37same, I guess, as we're looking

1:06:39at these. And and we're looking

1:06:41to consider what we're going to

1:06:42do. You know, one is a bit more

1:06:44expansive than the other, and I

1:06:47personally would rather we kind

1:06:48I would rather we did the more

1:06:50expansive version and just vote

1:06:52on that one and be done with it.

1:06:54Is there a reason why? I'm just

1:06:55wondering, sir.

1:06:56>> I, I, I can answer, I can

1:06:58answer. So the amendment, the

1:06:59First Amendment that I just

1:07:00laid out, has been in council's

1:07:03hands for more than 24 hours,

1:07:05or about 24 hours. The other

1:07:06amendment just came 15 minutes

1:07:08ago, and I'm not sure that

1:07:10everyone has read it. So I

1:07:11wanted to have more of a

1:07:13discussion on the Second

1:07:14Amendment to allow for. Council

1:07:15members have questions. If the

1:07:16council wants to take up the

1:07:18whole thing in one shoot, I'm

1:07:19open to that. But I just want

1:07:21to wanted to give space for

1:07:23both things.

1:07:23>> Okay. Could we maybe take

1:07:26510 minutes and let council

1:07:27members read it, maybe have

1:07:29some conversation among

1:07:30ourselves here in public, and

1:07:31then go back or, you know,

1:07:34corporation, council, what

1:07:35would we have to do for to con

1:07:38to cons? What? Yeah. If we want

1:07:40to have a conversation about

1:07:41this, what would we have to do?

1:07:43>> Yeah, I, I, I think having

1:07:44just gotten it, if you want to

1:07:46take a, a, a recess to, to read

1:07:48it over conversation, unless

1:07:50you're gonna caucus really

1:07:52should take place publicly if

1:07:53you're going to be debating the

1:07:55merits of the amendments.

1:07:56>> Okay.

1:07:57>> You, you could pass it as,

1:07:59as a First Amendment if most

1:08:01folks are already in agreement

1:08:02on those and then have the

1:08:03discussion on the other two. Or

1:08:05you could just wait and just do

1:08:07the one amendment with all the

1:08:08whole shebang. That's a that's

1:08:09okay. That's up to you all.

1:08:11>> Okay. But so if we, if we

1:08:13decided to take a break and

1:08:14then kind of like, as long as

1:08:16we were like grouped in, in

1:08:18threes or less, we could talk

1:08:19in public or however.

1:08:22>> Or, or however. Yeah. If, if

1:08:24you are, if you're, if you're

1:08:26deliberating over the language

1:08:27of the amendments, that's

1:08:28really got to be done in public

1:08:30session. Okay. Unless, you know,

1:08:32once you kind of break up, you

1:08:33realize, oh, there are caucuses

1:08:34within the group that have kind

1:08:36of a different political take

1:08:38on this, even though you're

1:08:39within the same party, then you

1:08:40could caucus. And that does not

1:08:42have to be done in public.

1:08:43>> Okay.

1:08:45>> If I can express my

1:08:47preference, I would prefer that

1:08:48we vote on the first one and

1:08:50then have the discussion right

1:08:51here.

1:08:51>> Oh, okay.

1:08:52>> If we're good with that.

1:08:54>> Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean.

1:08:55>> But so can I have a second

1:08:57on the first, the first

1:08:58proposed amendment second. All

1:08:59right. Any further discussion

1:09:01on the amendment? All in favor?

1:09:05Yes.

1:09:05>> I do have a question.

1:09:07>> Council Member Gruber.

1:09:08>> Yeah.

1:09:08>> And I'll I'll I will just

1:09:10start by echoing your thanks.

1:09:11And I'm grateful that PCHO and

1:09:14city routes have been amenable

1:09:16to some potential changes in

1:09:18this I. I do just have a

1:09:20question for Patrick

1:09:22specifically. So my

1:09:24understanding is that the PCHO

1:09:26board has not yet. They have

1:09:29not yet approved this simply

1:09:32because they haven't met yet.

1:09:34So what happens if we pass this

1:09:39and they have a board meeting

1:09:40in a couple weeks and their

1:09:42board says they don't want to

1:09:43do it this way.

1:09:46>> Then we couldn't proceed

1:09:47this way. So. So giving the

1:09:48grant to PCHO is contingent on

1:09:51PCHO becoming the lessee,

1:09:53either from an operational

1:09:55lease or a ground lease. So if

1:09:57they don't do either of those

1:09:58things, we would not be able to

1:10:01give the money to PCHO. So I

1:10:03think council and the

1:10:04administration would then have

1:10:05to start thinking about what's

1:10:06the next step.

1:10:07>> Got it.

1:10:09>> Thanks. And I'll I'll just

1:10:11if you don't mind, President

1:10:12Melendez, I'm just gonna say

1:10:13this for the for the record,

1:10:16and just generally speaking,

1:10:17just want to express my

1:10:18perspective on this, I think

1:10:19this is a this is a bold thing

1:10:22to do. When the city took on

1:10:23Peace Village back in 2018,

1:10:26maybe there were very few. If

1:10:27no, maybe no other sanctioned

1:10:30encampment sites in the

1:10:31northeast. And as it's grown

1:10:33and evolved, obviously, like

1:10:35the first thing people look at

1:10:36when they see this is it's a

1:10:38pretty it's a really expensive

1:10:40piece of legislation. It's a

1:10:41very costly. It's also like,

1:10:43that's what you get when you

1:10:44try to do something bold and

1:10:46interesting and creative. And

1:10:48I'm proud that the city is is

1:10:49ready to spend this kind of

1:10:51money. And I'm hopeful that the

1:10:52county will want to join us in

1:10:54spending this money as long as

1:10:55it works. I think to me, one of

1:10:58the roots of one of this

1:10:59challenge of that, that the

1:11:00amendment addresses is that

1:11:02there is liability. When you do

1:11:04something bold and you do

1:11:05something innovative, it does

1:11:06require someone to be liable.

1:11:08The city is not going to take

1:11:09the liability for this, but the

1:11:11city is going to shell out a

1:11:12lot of money for it. That's

1:11:14what our role in this is. And I

1:11:16think we need to have a

1:11:17nonprofit partner on the back

1:11:19end of this who actually can

1:11:20shoulder some of the liability

1:11:21and city roots. Land trust

1:11:23simply is not there as a one

1:11:24staff organization with very

1:11:26little assets. So I'm glad the

1:11:28PCO is the place that we're

1:11:30giving these dollars to. I

1:11:31think they do have the ability.

1:11:32I think they do have the skill

1:11:34set, and I think they do have

1:11:36the portfolio to make this

1:11:37happen. And I'm very hopeful

1:11:38that when their board meets

1:11:39later this month, they feel the

1:11:41same way.

1:11:45>> Any additional comments

1:11:46before we vote on the amendment?

1:11:49All right. So all in favor of

1:11:51the amendment, please say aye.

1:11:53>> Aye.

1:11:54>> Any opposed? Motion carries.

1:11:58All right. So then we have a

1:11:59Second Amendment in front of us

1:12:02that adds section four and

1:12:05section five and Renumbers the

1:12:08rest. In this amendment there

1:12:12are really two focuses. One is

1:12:14not sharing information

1:12:17willingly and voluntarily

1:12:18unless there's an emergency

1:12:21situation or bonafide criminal

1:12:24investigation or required by

1:12:26subpoena, warrant or other

1:12:29court order. And the second is

1:12:32focused on the feasibility and

1:12:35possibility of allowing tents

1:12:37on the premises of the site in

1:12:38the future. As mentioned many

1:12:41times in previous meetings, the

1:12:44the best version of of this

1:12:47type of model that I've seen,

1:12:49and I can't say I've seen them

1:12:50all, was in Tampa, Florida,

1:12:53where there was a co-mingling

1:12:55of both pallets and tents on

1:12:57one site. So the request is to

1:13:01just take a, a, a feasibility

1:13:03look at this and whether or not

1:13:05this might be something that

1:13:06can be done at Peace Village or

1:13:08the pallet shelter community in

1:13:10the future. Open it up for

1:13:13additional comments on that.

1:13:21Council member Martin, you want

1:13:23to jump in?

1:13:24>> Yes, I, I think the

1:13:26president summarized it very

1:13:28well. In totality, all the

1:13:30amendments taken together

1:13:31ensure that people who live at

1:13:32Peace Village don't have their

1:13:35information shared with law

1:13:36enforcement agencies and are

1:13:37treated as anyone else living

1:13:39in any tendency would. It also

1:13:42ensures that we explore whether

1:13:45it is feasible to allow tents

1:13:48and ensure that when people may

1:13:49be removed from various parts

1:13:51of the city, there are other

1:13:53options and other levels of

1:13:55care for them to have access to.

1:13:58So together, I believe these

1:14:00amendments strengthening this

1:14:03legislation, and brings us back

1:14:04to the spirit of working to

1:14:06ensure that people who are

1:14:08unhoused are treated with

1:14:10respect, dignity, and that we

1:14:12may also consider how we

1:14:14address tents and other forms

1:14:17of outdoor housing on this site.

1:14:19>> So I entertain a motion, and

1:14:22Council member Smith.

1:14:24>> I just also like to just

1:14:26reinforce what Council Member

1:14:27Martin said. The reason why

1:14:28it's so important to have this

1:14:30amended language is because we

1:14:32recognize in the initial

1:14:33proposal for 2018 that this was

1:14:35the only sanctioned space where

1:14:38tents were going to be allowed.

1:14:39And I'm trying to separate how

1:14:40I feel about this personally

1:14:42from my role as a council

1:14:44member versus someone who lives

1:14:45in a community that is

1:14:47overwhelmed with encampments. I

1:14:48know that this isn't the end

1:14:50all, be all, but we definitely

1:14:52need a pathway for members of

1:14:54community who choose to live

1:14:56outside. And so that's why the

1:14:59amendment was so important. And

1:15:00I just wanted to reiterate that

1:15:01before we vote.

1:15:02>> So before we go into further

1:15:04discussion, because I know

1:15:05there's a lot of hands, I want

1:15:07to entertain a motion in a

1:15:08second so we can get this on

1:15:10the floor officially and then

1:15:11discuss. So can I get a motion.

1:15:13>> To move it?

1:15:14>> It's been moved and seconded.

1:15:15All right. So now we'll

1:15:17continue the discussion and

1:15:18I'll go down the line starting

1:15:19Councilman Gruber followed by

1:15:20Leslie Smith, followed by

1:15:21Lupien.

1:15:22>> Thanks. I'm sorry. I don't

1:15:23know who to address this to

1:15:24because I don't know where the

1:15:26amendments these these latter

1:15:27amendments came from. So I'm

1:15:28just going to ask Patrick the

1:15:30language in section four. This

1:15:32is all like this is consistent

1:15:34with language that we have in

1:15:35other in other agreements, I

1:15:37presume, about confidentiality.

1:15:39>> Yeah. This is actually it's

1:15:40modeled in part on language we

1:15:42have in the section of the

1:15:43charter for the Police

1:15:44Accountability Board, standards

1:15:46of confidentiality, and then

1:15:47language around sharing with

1:15:49law enforcement is taken from

1:15:51some other areas that we've

1:15:52looked at recently in the

1:15:54immigration context.

1:15:56>> Thanks. And then my question

1:15:57on section five, I guess I'll

1:15:59I'll pose it to you, President

1:16:00Melendez. We just had a

1:16:02conversation in our committee

1:16:04meeting about how. Sometimes

1:16:08the, the, the kind of follow

1:16:10through is unclear when it's

1:16:11when when it's not clear about

1:16:13the compensation committee was,

1:16:15was the frame there? I'm I'm

1:16:17not who is responsible for the

1:16:20feasibility study on tents? Are

1:16:22we responsible? Is PCH

1:16:23responsible? Is the

1:16:24administration responsible?

1:16:27>> I'm glad that you're asking,

1:16:28because I think in the lead up

1:16:30to this meeting, the

1:16:32conversation was around having

1:16:35PCH really look at this and

1:16:36come back to us with a

1:16:38recommendation. I. I think the

1:16:41idea here is that we will

1:16:43coordinate with PCHO to have a

1:16:45discussion about what would it

1:16:46take to get an answer to this

1:16:48question by March 2027. And

1:16:50that might require Council to

1:16:51also provide some additional

1:16:53support or resources to help

1:16:54them get to the answer. So I

1:16:57guess to put it on record, I

1:16:59guess ultimately I'll put my

1:17:01name in the hat and welcome

1:17:03everyone to please collaborate

1:17:05with me and not wait till March

1:17:072027 to ask, why did I not

1:17:09include you?

1:17:09>> Yeah, but I would just, I, I

1:17:11want to be conscious of the

1:17:13fact that I, it, it does seem

1:17:15to me that the that the that

1:17:19the PCHO board right now, this

1:17:21is this is a a fragile

1:17:23agreement. I don't want them to

1:17:25look at this. And I don't want

1:17:27them to watch this meeting and

1:17:29think that we are asking them

1:17:30to do more with the same amount

1:17:32of money that we provided them.

1:17:33So if we're going to ask them

1:17:35for advice, if we're going to

1:17:37ask them to weigh in and

1:17:38participate in the process, so

1:17:39be it. But I'd like to be clear

1:17:41that we are not asking them to

1:17:43lead this initiative, at least

1:17:44right now. That's not the

1:17:46intention and that we as a

1:17:47council are going to be somehow

1:17:49leading that initiative. Is

1:17:50that correct?

1:17:50>> That's correct.

1:17:51>> Okay, thanks.

1:17:52>> I would love for you to

1:17:53share with me the information

1:17:55from the Tampa program that you

1:17:56just recently cited. My initial

1:18:00reservations about section five

1:18:02is just the co-mingling of the

1:18:04tent community. With the pallet

1:18:06community, I'm thinking about

1:18:09some of the things that we

1:18:10heard. PCHO outline last month

1:18:14in terms of the requirements

1:18:16for the pallet community, which

1:18:17I would imagine would not be

1:18:19similar requirements for the

1:18:22tent community. And I could see

1:18:23that creating some conflict. I

1:18:25could also see that potentially

1:18:28hindering the progress of

1:18:30sobriety for people living in

1:18:32the pallet community. I hear my

1:18:36colleagues in terms of having a

1:18:38space, and I'm wondering if

1:18:39even perhaps the city could

1:18:41help us identify if Peace

1:18:44Village is now the pallet

1:18:46community and no longer what it

1:18:47was initially designated as in

1:18:502018, is there another site

1:18:53within somewhere in the city of

1:18:55Rochester where there could be

1:18:57just a tent community? Because

1:18:58one of the things that we heard

1:19:00community members say

1:19:02overwhelmingly is that the tent

1:19:04community does not want the

1:19:06same requirements, guidelines,

1:19:10expectations, monitoring that

1:19:12the pallet community has. And I,

1:19:14I would imagine, given that

1:19:16PCHO is using a designated

1:19:19program, they're they're

1:19:21borrowing, borrowing from those

1:19:23groups. And the expectations

1:19:24would be very different. You

1:19:25know, it's like having kids and

1:19:28having different rules for them

1:19:29because they're different

1:19:31genders. And it just feels like

1:19:32a potential set up and possible

1:19:36failure for this pallet

1:19:38community model if we're going

1:19:40to allow them to be commingled.

1:19:43So without and that's without

1:19:44me seeing any data on anything

1:19:47that has been successful.

1:19:49>> Absolutely. And, and just to

1:19:51respond directly to that, I, I

1:19:52think, and I've had this

1:19:55discussion with, with many

1:19:56folks in the community to given

1:19:59our climate, obviously this

1:20:00isn't Tampa, Florida. And one

1:20:02of my concerns with with tents

1:20:04anywhere is obviously our

1:20:06climate and the weather. And

1:20:09unfortunately, I think we've

1:20:10also seen too many situations

1:20:12where we've had encampment,

1:20:15what might start as a bonfire

1:20:16or a fire inside of a tent,

1:20:18turn into a house fire or turn

1:20:20into impact to the community.

1:20:21So I think there's a lot of

1:20:23conversation around what is the

1:20:25right approach. My, my personal

1:20:27position, if I'm being totally

1:20:29honest here, is I don't think

1:20:30anyone should be out in the

1:20:31cold. And I think long term,

1:20:35and this may not be something

1:20:36we can address this winter, but

1:20:38the conversation around how do

1:20:41we continue to look at lower

1:20:43barrier options for people in

1:20:44our community that don't fit

1:20:46into the traditional shelter,

1:20:47that don't fit into some of the

1:20:50parameters that maybe even the

1:20:53pallet shelter community might

1:20:54have, so that we can find ways

1:20:58to put a roof over people's

1:20:59heads while they figure out

1:21:01whatever the next step in their

1:21:02lives are and the transition.

1:21:04So I think in, in putting this

1:21:06amendment forward, obviously,

1:21:08this is looking at making a

1:21:11determination whether or not

1:21:11this makes sense here. We may

1:21:13find out after, given what you

1:21:15just said and other things,

1:21:17other factors that this may not

1:21:19be the feasible site for this.

1:21:21However, I think we need to

1:21:23continue to have the larger

1:21:24conversation and that includes

1:21:25with the county around. What

1:21:27else can we be doing to ensure

1:21:29that the encampments that do

1:21:31exist in our community, that we

1:21:33find a way to help transition

1:21:35people into something that's

1:21:36better than and we've had

1:21:38conversations about warehouse

1:21:39spaces. We certainly have no

1:21:41shortage of buildings in the

1:21:42city of Rochester that we could

1:21:43use for other purposes. So I

1:21:45think this gives us the

1:21:46opportunity to have this

1:21:47discussion, but also have a

1:21:49bigger discussion about what

1:21:50could we be doing, what are

1:21:51best practices in other places.

1:21:53>> Yeah.

1:21:53>> And I just want to echo

1:21:56Council member Gruber's

1:21:57comments in terms of the

1:21:59additional work. We're not

1:22:01asking Pcho. I know people keep

1:22:02saying that this is a lot of

1:22:04money. I mean, if you run a

1:22:07nonprofit organization, then

1:22:08you and you have a high needs

1:22:10population like this, you will

1:22:13quickly learn that this is not

1:22:15really a lot of money in terms

1:22:17of providing the level of care

1:22:20and the quality of service that

1:22:23a population like this needs

1:22:24and deserves. And so if we are

1:22:27going to co-mingle the tent

1:22:29community with the pallet

1:22:30community, understanding who is

1:22:33the service provider, if any,

1:22:36or what the process is of sort

1:22:38of helping, supporting that

1:22:40group, because there is a

1:22:42reason why the Peace Village

1:22:45went away to begin with, right?

1:22:47There were lots of issues and

1:22:50concerns. And, you know, I

1:22:51don't I don't want to even name

1:22:53them because I don't know all

1:22:55of them, but clearly it doesn't

1:22:56exist right now. So for us to

1:22:58just reestablish it without any

1:23:00real supports or resources, we

1:23:03are, you know, we're setting

1:23:06ourselves up for failure.

1:23:08>> I agree. Council member

1:23:11Lupien.

1:23:12>> Yeah, I have a couple of

1:23:14comments. In terms of, you know,

1:23:18I agree that ideally, no one's

1:23:21sleeping outside in the winter

1:23:22and folks aren't sleeping

1:23:23outside in the cold because

1:23:24they want to, but because

1:23:26there's nowhere else for them

1:23:27to go. And this proposal

1:23:30doesn't solve that problem. It

1:23:32doesn't solve the problem of

1:23:34encampments across the city

1:23:35that are only growing. It

1:23:38provides, you know, a safe,

1:23:40warm place to stay with

1:23:42services for, you know, 15 to

1:23:4630 people. And there are

1:23:49requirements that screen out

1:23:51some of our folks. And a lot of

1:23:54the reasons that some people

1:23:56choose to stay outside is

1:23:57because they are not yet ready

1:23:59to give up using drugs and to

1:24:02require sobriety or, you know,

1:24:05make that the focus, I think,

1:24:08is not meeting people where

1:24:09they're at. Some of the reasons

1:24:14that people gather in

1:24:15encampments is to prevent

1:24:17overdoses. And so if people are

1:24:19not allowed to use on site and

1:24:21they're going off into, you

1:24:23know, people's doorways, that

1:24:25also isn't ideal. You know, I

1:24:28just want to use this

1:24:29opportunity to talk about the

1:24:31very data based, evidence

1:24:34backed Overdose Prevention

1:24:36Center model, which supervises

1:24:38youth that prevents overdoses

1:24:40and creates community, which

1:24:42leads people into recovery and

1:24:44housing at very high rates. We

1:24:47are not giving any overdose

1:24:49prevention services, but it's a

1:24:52needed for this population.

1:24:54It's also my understanding that

1:24:56the over opioid prevention

1:25:00dollars aren't just for people

1:25:01that are in current use, but

1:25:03also people who are at risk of

1:25:05use, which I would imagine are

1:25:07folks that are homeless. And so,

1:25:10you know, the, the idea that we

1:25:13couldn't co-mingle people that

1:25:14are not using drugs with people

1:25:17who are using drugs, I don't

1:25:18think that's factual. And I

1:25:24think lastly. The. Did you have

1:25:33something.

1:25:34>> I'm happy.

1:25:35>> To respond.

1:25:37>> Okay.

1:25:41>> Lastly, this space was

1:25:43identified because it was kind

1:25:45of the only space where, you

1:25:47know, no district is going to

1:25:50want encampments sanctioned in,

1:25:52in their backyards. And this

1:25:53was a place that was identified

1:25:55that wasn't residential. It was

1:25:57Center City. And so, you know,

1:25:59I, while I support finding

1:26:02another sanctioned place, I

1:26:04think it would be kind of

1:26:06difficult. And I'm frustrated

1:26:08because we could have had this

1:26:09problem solved two years ago

1:26:11when Father Tracy, center,

1:26:12approached the city with their

1:26:13indoor encampment idea, and all

1:26:15they needed was $300,000. And

1:26:18because it was, we slept on it,

1:26:21the funding was lost. But, you

1:26:24know, ultimately, that's really

1:26:25I think what it's going to take

1:26:27is finding a place indoors that

1:26:29is, you know, low, no barrier

1:26:32with the services. So people

1:26:34can be allowed to continue to

1:26:37use and be, you know, helped

1:26:41into recovery on their time

1:26:42schedule because you can't

1:26:43force people into recovery. And

1:26:46I'll end there.

1:26:51>> Council member Leslie Smith.

1:26:52>> Yeah, just quickly, I mean,

1:26:54I can't a peer reviewed journal

1:26:56article off the top of my head.

1:26:58But having grown up in poverty

1:27:01in the city of Rochester,

1:27:02having had family members who

1:27:04are on drugs and currently

1:27:07active on drugs, if you are

1:27:09striving for sobriety, you

1:27:12cannot surround yourself with

1:27:13people who are active users.

1:27:14It's just a known fact. It is

1:27:18nearly impossible. It's the

1:27:20most courageous thing an

1:27:22individual can do to try to get

1:27:24themselves off of a substance,

1:27:26and then to be surrounded by

1:27:27other people who are actively

1:27:29using the substance does not

1:27:31make that an easy process. I'd

1:27:33be happy to look up the peer

1:27:34reviewed journal articles for

1:27:36you, council member, and share

1:27:37those with you, but I'm I'm

1:27:39pretty sure that it's it's a

1:27:41factual thing that co-mingling

1:27:44people who are striving for

1:27:46sobriety with people who are

1:27:47just not ready yet is going to

1:27:49be a make that sobriety effort

1:27:52for those folks much more

1:27:54difficult.

1:27:55>> I'm glad you gave me the

1:27:56opportunity to clarify. I

1:27:57wasn't talking about the

1:28:00feasibility for recovery for

1:28:01folks who are seeking it, being

1:28:04surrounded by people who are

1:28:05still using. I was talking

1:28:06about the funding source not

1:28:08being restricted in that way.

1:28:12And, and I agree with you 100%.

1:28:15And there is nowhere for people

1:28:19to go who are in active use in

1:28:22inside. That's the barrier. And

1:28:24so to also have this that was

1:28:25supposed to be no barrier in

1:28:28its inception to also, you know,

1:28:31be not allowing people to use.

1:28:33It's not solving the problem it

1:28:35was meant to solve people who

1:28:37are, you know, trying to get

1:28:39off drugs. I, I would think

1:28:40could go into a shelter that

1:28:42also doesn't allow people who

1:28:43are using that. That's my main

1:28:47concern is where are we going

1:28:48to house people who are in

1:28:50active use, who are not ready

1:28:51to give it up yet. We do not

1:28:53have a solution for that. We do

1:28:55not have a solution. People for

1:28:56people who are have serious

1:28:58mental health issues. There's

1:28:59just no solution. And I will

1:29:01also add, this is the county's

1:29:04responsibility. It isn't ours.

1:29:05We're taking it on because we

1:29:07know it's a need. But

1:29:09ultimately this lies with them.

1:29:12>> And I'll just echo that. I

1:29:14think we need to continue to

1:29:16have difficult conversations

1:29:19amongst government partners.

1:29:22And for all of us as as city

1:29:24legislators, conversations with

1:29:26our county legislators on what

1:29:28else we could be doing at a

1:29:30county level to address this

1:29:33pressing issue in our city. Any

1:29:35additional comments before we

1:29:36vote on the amendment? Council

1:29:38Member Monroe, followed by

1:29:40Council Member Smith.

1:29:45>> So where did this second set

1:29:48of amendments come from? Who's

1:29:51a sponsor?

1:29:51>> So council members Lupien

1:29:55Smith and the president, we

1:29:58talked about it. We found

1:29:59middle ground. We worked with

1:30:00the law department. So it was

1:30:03in addition to conversations

1:30:06that had also previously been

1:30:08had with PCHOCT. And it was

1:30:10just the addition based on

1:30:11those conversations.

1:30:12>> And can I.

1:30:13>> Add just really.

1:30:14>> Quick.

1:30:15>> So the amendments came today.

1:30:19We had a meeting at roughly

1:30:223:00 and we pulled in the

1:30:25corporation council urgently to

1:30:27have a discussion about what

1:30:29made sense from a legal

1:30:31standpoint, because there were

1:30:32alternative versions of the

1:30:34amendment. And this what is in

1:30:35front of you was coordinated

1:30:40with the Law Department.

1:30:44>> So for section four. Doesn't

1:30:48HIPAA cover most of this

1:30:52corporation Council?

1:30:55>> Yes, that was part of our

1:30:56conversation. HIPAA does cover

1:30:58it specifically if you're

1:30:59talking about treatment, right.

1:31:00That's being provided to folks.

1:31:02>> Right.

1:31:02>> And so that would certainly

1:31:04be covered under the

1:31:05professional standards of

1:31:07confidentiality. But I think

1:31:08that's intended to be a little

1:31:09broader than HIPAA.

1:31:10>> I'm sorry, can you say the

1:31:12last bit again.

1:31:13>> I think that's intended to

1:31:14be a bit broader than HIPAA,

1:31:15right? It would encompass PII

1:31:17more generally, etc.

1:31:22>> Because it would be my

1:31:23understanding that then other

1:31:24people who may not be directly

1:31:26mental health workers know that

1:31:29they're working in a space

1:31:30where they need to keep things

1:31:32confidential, just as you would

1:31:33at a hospital or a doctor's

1:31:36office. Correct.

1:31:39>> I would agree with that, yes.

1:31:49>> I don't like getting two

1:31:51things today at the very last

1:31:53minute and not having

1:31:55information about it beforehand.

1:31:58That is a general thing, and I

1:32:00know that we go back and forth

1:32:02on this body about that very

1:32:04issue. One of the reasons I was

1:32:12going to vote for this Peace

1:32:14Village is so that we can

1:32:15finally have the movement

1:32:17forward. And despite the fact

1:32:19that the city is putting

1:32:20forward $1.6 million for this,

1:32:25I was feeling comfortable in

1:32:26the relationship that the Evans

1:32:28administration has with the

1:32:29Bello administration in working

1:32:32together and trying to find

1:32:34better answers, knowing again

1:32:37that this is the county's

1:32:39responsibility. The people who

1:32:41are here in the city are not

1:32:43necessarily former city

1:32:45residents. We have people

1:32:47coming from all over. We have

1:32:51people coming from all over who

1:32:53desperately need help. We have

1:32:54people living in neighborhoods

1:32:56that are getting inundated and

1:32:58are subjected to a lot of

1:33:01behaviors and problems that

1:33:03they should not have to be

1:33:06subjected to. That's why I

1:33:08think something like Peace

1:33:09Village is important, and it is

1:33:12a kind of a a lower entry point

1:33:14for people to be able to get

1:33:16boosted and start to slot into

1:33:19higher level services. It does

1:33:22not answer for everybody, but

1:33:25it is a start. I do have

1:33:30concerns with council

1:33:32endeavoring to get into the

1:33:34weeds with allowing tents and

1:33:37feasibility studies added on to

1:33:40this. I was fine with the first

1:33:44set of amendments, which also

1:33:48had time to really sit and

1:33:50consider. That's all I wanted

1:33:53to say.

1:33:55>> Yes, Council member Martin.

1:33:57>> So Council member Monroe, I

1:33:59appreciate your your comments

1:34:00on the timing of receiving

1:34:02these amendments. I will add,

1:34:04it is not usual that we have a

1:34:06special meeting on about a

1:34:08piece of legislation. And in

1:34:10trying to quickly work through

1:34:12this, we're balancing wanting

1:34:14to make sure it's up and

1:34:15running by the winter and also

1:34:17making sure we put forth the

1:34:18strongest version. So I just

1:34:20want to acknowledge what you're

1:34:23referencing and also, you know,

1:34:24share some of the difficulties

1:34:26we find ourselves in within

1:34:27this unique arrangement.

1:34:32>> Council member Smith.

1:34:37>> This is so deeply personal

1:34:38for me because again, if you

1:34:41don't live in this neighborhood,

1:34:42if you don't live in a

1:34:43neighborhood that has been

1:34:44impacted by encampments, then

1:34:47it's easy to say you don't want

1:34:49structures here for this reason,

1:34:50but neither does my godfather,

1:34:52who's found three dead bodies,

1:34:54who's OD'd next to his home.

1:34:56Neither does my aunt, who has

1:34:58an encampment at the end of her

1:34:59street, or my uncle who has an

1:35:01encampment around the corner.

1:35:02So I still have family members

1:35:04that live on Remington and that

1:35:05live on Wilkins who are

1:35:07impacted by these spaces. And

1:35:09that's why I ask the

1:35:10administration. During the

1:35:11budget hearing, I was told

1:35:12twice that you guys would get

1:35:14back to me in writing, and we

1:35:16didn't get anything until

1:35:17September. And so it's really

1:35:18important that we connect, we

1:35:19communicate, and we can

1:35:21collaborate on behalf of the

1:35:22city of Rochester. If we're

1:35:23going to make decisions that

1:35:24are in the best interest of our

1:35:26residents and to be asked to

1:35:28make these decisions at the

1:35:29last minute and not have

1:35:32changes, is a little bit

1:35:34asinine for me. I am. Trying to

1:35:39maintain my composure, but it's

1:35:41really, really important. The

1:35:44language for the 2018 proposal

1:35:46states that there are no other

1:35:47spaces for encampments in the

1:35:49city of Rochester. If it's good

1:35:51enough to be next door to my

1:35:53grandmother, if it's good

1:35:53enough to be next door to my

1:35:55aunt, then it's good enough to

1:35:57be in this sanctioned space.

1:35:58And I'm going to tell community

1:36:00members, take your tents over

1:36:02to where they are and set them

1:36:04up outside of that space,

1:36:06because that's where you were.

1:36:08That's the that's the space

1:36:09that was designated for

1:36:11encampments. It is not fair for

1:36:12you to ask one, four, six, two,

1:36:14one cannot bear all things

1:36:17poverty, violence, mental

1:36:18health, the fentanyl crisis,

1:36:19and now encampment. I would

1:36:21love to see the administration

1:36:23leverage their relationship

1:36:24with the county executive

1:36:26beyond a photo op, and ask him

1:36:29to send money. Because every

1:36:30morning in my community, it's

1:36:32as if a T. S bus goes to all

1:36:34the neighboring towns and picks

1:36:35up a group of individuals and

1:36:37drops them off on Clinton

1:36:38Avenue. This is the county's

1:36:40responsibility, and they need

1:36:41to put their money where their

1:36:43mouth is, leverage the

1:36:44relationship, tell the county

1:36:45exec he needs to send money and

1:36:47he needs to send support.

1:36:50>> Thank you.

1:36:52>> Council member Patterson.

1:36:57>> I totally agree with Council

1:36:59Member Smith. With that said,

1:37:02this ain't perfect, but this is

1:37:04the beginning of the beginning.

1:37:06Colleagues, let's vote yes and

1:37:08keep talking and keep working.

1:37:10That's it.

1:37:12>> One of your quotes come to

1:37:13mind. Don't let perfect be the

1:37:15enemy of the good. And with

1:37:16that, I'll move to a vote on

1:37:18the amendment. All those in

1:37:21favor, please say aye. Aye. Any

1:37:23opposed?

1:37:25>> Pardon me. Council president.

1:37:27So this is the amendment as

1:37:29we're amending what we have

1:37:30amended.

1:37:31>> Yes. The Second Amendment.

1:37:32Yes.

1:37:33>> Okay. No.

1:37:35>> All right. We'll do a roll

1:37:36call.

1:37:40>> Council member Gruber.

1:37:42>> Yes.

1:37:43>> Council member Leslie Smith.

1:37:44>> Yes.

1:37:46>> Council member. Lupien.

1:37:47>> Yes.

1:37:48>> Council member. Martin.

1:37:50>> Yes.

1:37:51>> Council member. Monroe.

1:37:53>> No.

1:37:54>> Council member. Patterson.

1:37:56>> Yes.

1:37:57>> Council member. Smith. Vice

1:38:02president. Harris. Excuse. And.

1:38:04President. Melendez.

1:38:05>> Yes. Motion carries. And

1:38:07then now we'll vote on the item,

1:38:11as amended. Twice.

1:38:14>> Pardon me, Council president,

1:38:15that was I thought that that's

1:38:17what we were as amended.

1:38:20>> As amended. So so now we're

1:38:22gonna vote to. The next step is

1:38:24to. Now it's been amended twice,

1:38:25and we're going to vote on the

1:38:26actual legislation with the

1:38:29amended amendments that have

1:38:31been approved.

1:38:34>> The vote that was just taken,

1:38:36was it on this or on this?

1:38:37>> It was on that.

1:38:39>> This one? Yes. Okay. Thank

1:38:40you.

1:38:43>> So we have amended it

1:38:45officially to look like the

1:38:46Second Amendment. And now we

1:38:48are going to vote on the item

1:38:50in totality. And we'll do a

1:38:52roll call.

1:38:58>> Council member Gruber.

1:38:59>> Yes.

1:39:00>> Council member Leslie Smith.

1:39:02>> Yes.

1:39:03>> Council member. Lupien.

1:39:05>> Yes.

1:39:06>> Council member. Martin.

1:39:07>> Yes.

1:39:09>> Council member. Monroe.

1:39:10>> Yes.

1:39:12>> Council member. Patterson.

1:39:13>> Yes.

1:39:14>> Council member. Smith. Vice.

1:39:17President. Harris. Excuse.

1:39:19President. Melendez.

1:39:21>> Yes. Motion carries.

1:39:23>> Thank you.

1:39:24>> And we'll enter the

1:39:25affirmative vote in the record

1:39:26with no further business. We

1:39:28stand adjourned.

1:39:52>> Put some stuff on our group

1:39:53chat.

1:39:54>> You might want.

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