2026-09-29 - Committee of the Whole

00:23[ GAVEL ]

00:24>> GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO

00:26THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE

00:26MEETING FOR

00:28TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 29, 2026. MY

00:30NAME IS AURIN CHOWDHURY AND I'M

00:32THE CHAIR THIS OF COMMITTEE. I

00:33WILL CALL THIS REGULAR MEETING

00:35TO ORDER AND ASK THE CLERK TO

00:36CALL THE ROLL TO VERIFY THE

00:39PRESENCE OF A QUORUM.

00:40>> COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE.

00:44>> PRESENT.

00:46>> WONSLEY.

00:50>> PRESENT.

00:51VETAW.

00:52>> SHAFFER.

00:53>> PRESENT.

00:53>> STEVENSON.

00:54>> PRESENT.

00:55>> CHAV.

00:55>> PRESENT.

00:56>> WHITING IS ABSENT. PALMISANO.

00:59>> PRESENT.

01:00>> VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI.

01:01>> PRESENT.

01:01>> AND CHAIR CHOWDHURY.

01:02>> PRESENT.

01:03>> THERE ARE 10 MEMBERS PRESENT.

01:05>> THANK YOU, CLERK. LET THE

01:06RECORD REFLECT THAT WE HAVE A

01:09QUORUM. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE

01:10MEETING, LET ME OFFER A FRIENDLY

01:12REMINDER TO EVERYONE TT THESE

01:13MEETINGS ARE BROADCAST LIVE TO

01:15ENABLE GREATER PUBLIC

01:16PARTICIPATION. THE BROADCAST

01:18INCLUDES REAL-TIME CAPTIONING TO

01:20INCREASE ACCESSIBILITY F THE

01:21ENTIRE COMMUNITY. SO IT'S

01:23IMPORTANT THAT ALL SPEAKERS BE

01:25NDFUL OF THE RATE OF THEIR

01:26SPEECH SO THAT OUR CAPTIONERS

01:28CAN FULLY CAPTURE AND TRANSCRIBE

01:30ALL COMMENTS FOR THE BROADCAST.

01:31WE ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO PLEASE

01:34MODERATE THE SPEED AND CLARITY

01:36OF THEIR COMMENTS. COLLEAGUES,

01:37OUR AGENDA IS IN FRONT OF US.

01:40OUR ORDER IS AS FOLLOWS. FIRST,

01:41WE WILL CONTINUE THE PUBLIC

01:46HEARING FROM THE BUSINESS,

01:48HOUSING, AND ZONING COMMITTEE

01:50FROM LAST WEEK ON THE AUTONOMOUS

01:54VEHICLES ORDINANCE. THEN WE WILL

01:56TAKE UP STANDING COMMITTEE

01:57REPORTS, THEN END WITH A

01:58DISCUSSION AND RECEIVE AND FILE

01:59ITEMS. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. MY

02:08EAKER MANAGEMENT IS TWEAKING

02:08OUT A LITTLE BIT. WITH THE

02:14AGENDA BEFORE US, ALL THOSE IN

02:16FAVOR SAY AYE.

02:17>> AYE.

02:18>> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE

02:21AGENDA IS ADOPTED. NOW WE'LL BE

02:25MOVING TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING FOR

02:27TODAY. FOR EVERYONE WATCHING AND

02:29THOSE WHO MAY PARTICIPATE, LET

02:30ME OFFER THIS NOTICE. THESE

02:32HEARINGS ARE BEING RECORDED AND

02:34BROADCAST. BOTH THE RECORDING

02:36AND BROADCAST ARE CLASSIFIED AS

02:38PUBLIC DATA UNDER THE MINNESOTA

02:39GOVERNMENT DATA PRACTICES ACT.

02:42BY ATTENDING AND PARTICIPATING

02:43IN THESE PROCEEDINGS, YOUR IMAGE

02:45AND ANY TESTIMONY OR INFORMATION

02:46THAT YOU PROVIDE WILL ALSO BE

02:49SUBJECT TO DISCLOSURE UNDER THAT

02:50LAW. THAT INCLUDES BUT IS NOT

02:52LIMITED TO YOUR ATTENDANCE, YOUR

02:53NAME AND OTHER PERSONAL DETAILS

02:55YOU PROVIDE, AS WELL AS ANY

02:59TESTIMY WHICH INCLUDES ANY

03:00WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS YOU MAKE

03:01WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE RECORD

03:03OF THIS MEETING. IF YOU WOULD

03:05LIKE TO SPEAK TODAY, PLEASE SIGN

03:06UP WITH OUR CLERKS OUTSIDE IN

03:09THE HALLWAY. AT THE SIGN-IN

03:10TABLE. IF YOU NEED ANY

03:15ASSISTANCE, PLEASE FEEL FE TO

03:17RAISE YOUR HAND. A CLERK WILL BE

03:19ABLE TO ASSIST YOU IN SIGNING U

03:23GIVEN TWO MINUTES TO TESTIFY.

03:26AND THOSE WHO MAY NEED

03:28INTERPRETATION SUPPORT WILL BE

03:29GIN FOUR MINUTES. WE DO HAVE

03:33MEONE AVAILABLE FOR

03:34INTERPRETATIONS FOR SOMALI,

03:40INTERPRETATION IN SPECIFIC.

03:42GENTLEMAN IS SITTING ON THE LEFT

03:44SIDE OF THE CHAMBER IF YOU'RE IN

03:46THE AUDIENCE, IT'S YOUR LEFT

03:47SIDE. SO WITH THAT ITEM 1 IS OUR

03:56CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING ON THE

03:57AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE REGULATIONS.

03:59THIS WAS CONTINUED FROM

04:01BUSINESS, HOUSING AND ZONING

04:02LAST TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 22ND. AND

04:04BEFORE WE TAKE UP THE PUBLIC

04:06TESTIMONY, I WILL INVITE THE

04:08AUTHORS TO PRESENT BRIEFLY

04:09BEFORE WE REOPEN UP THEHEARING.

04:12AND I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL

04:13MEMBER WONSLEY.

04:14>> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHOWDHURY.

04:20I'M COUNCIL MEMBER ROBIN

04:21WONSLEY, I ALSO SERVE AS THE

04:23MINORITY LEADER FOR CITY COUNCIL

04:24D ALSO ARE PROUD TO BE THE

04:30LEAD AUTHOR ON STRIVE

04:32MINNEAPOLIS. ALONG AS CHOWDHURY,

04:33STEVENSON, AS WELL AS CHAVEZ, AS

04:36WELL AS COUNCIL PRESIDENT OSMAN.

04:38LET'S START WITH THE

04:39PRESENTATION. WE'RE GOING TO DO

04:41A MODIFIED VERSION OFTHIS. SO

04:43FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE ON

04:45BHZ, SORRYOR THIS REPETITIVE

04:47INFORMATION. BUT WE'RE GOING TO

04:48MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY THROUGH IT.

04:50ALL RIGHT.O JUST SOME

04:51BACKGROUND ON WHAT REALLY LED US

04:54TO BRING FORTH THIS OINANCE

04:55TODAY. MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS

04:56REACHED OUT TO MY OFFICE, I'M

04:58PRETTY SURE OTHER COLLEAGUES AS

04:59WELL TO YOUR OFFICE, ABOUT

05:03SEEING WAYMOS SPECIFICALLY

05:05TESTING AND DRIVING AROUND IN

05:06THEIR COMMUNITIES. AND WHAT WE

05:08HAVE NOW LEARNED IS THAT WE DO

05:11HAVE BIG TECH COMPANIES WHO ARE

05:13TESTING THEIR AUTONOMOUS

05:15VEHICLES RIGHT HERE I

05:16MINNEAPOLIS, AND ALL THROUGHOUT

05:17THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. FOR

05:19RESIDENTS, AGAIN, YOU MIGHT SEE

05:23WAYMO MORE SPECIFICALLY, THAT

05:24OWNED BY GOOGLE. BUT WE'VE ALSO

05:29HAVE LEARNED THAT ELON MUSK THAT

05:33OWNS CYBERCAB AND ROBOTAXI OR

05:36HAS BROUGHT ENGINEERING

05:38PROTOTYPES OF THEIR CARS AS WELL

05:39AS HERE, AND YOU DON'T DOHAT

05:42WITHOUT INTENTION TO ALSO

05:44ESSENTIALLY RUN THEM INTO FULL

05:46OPERATION. AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT

05:48ZOOX THAT'S OWNED BY AMAZON, ALL

05:51OF THOSE ARE OPERATING VARIOUS

05:53ROBOTAXI OR AUTONOMOU VEHICLES

05:54ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND OF

05:56COURSE, MINNEAPOLIS IS LOOKING

05:58TO BE A PRIME MARKET FOR MANY OF

06:01THESE COMPANIES TO ENTER INTO.

06:02THAT SAID, AGAIN, WE'VE SEEN

06:06SPECIFICALLY WAYMO BE AT THE

06:06FRONTND OF TESTING HERE IN

06:09MINNEAPOLIS WITH THE GOAL OF

06:11OFFERING COMMERCIAL RIDES IN THE

06:12NEAR FUTURE. WE ALSO KNOW THAT

06:18THE STATE THIS MOST RECENT

06:21LEGISLATION SESSION DID NOT PASS

06:24REGULATIONS TO PROTECT OR

06:26ESTABLISH REGULATIONS FOR

06:28THOUSANDS OF MINNESOTANS.

06:30LEAVING PLACES LIKE MINNEAPOLIS

06:31TO BE VULNERABLE TO THE VARIOUS

06:33IMPACTS OF AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES

06:34WHEN THEY'RE LEFT UNREGULATED.

06:37AND SPECIFICALLY, THIS POLICY IS

06:38REALLY RESPONDING TO THAT. WE

06:40WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A

06:41REGULATORY FRAMEWORK IN PLACE

06:44THAT PROTECTS WORKERS MORE

06:45SPECIFICALLY. WE'LL TK A

06:46LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. AND MAKE

06:49SURE THAT WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE

06:50AND PREVENTING THE DISPLACEMENT

06:52OF THOUSANDS OF WORKERS IN OUR

06:54CITY, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE WE'RE

06:59TAKING INTO BROADER

07:00CONSIDERATION THE IMPACTS IT HAS

07:02IN OUR CITY WHEN IT COMES TO

07:04SAFETY, INFRASTRUCTURE GOALS,

07:05THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO NEX

07:07SLIDE, PLEASE. BUT AS I

07:09MENTIONED, A CORE PIECE OF THIS

07:10ORDINANCE IS REALLYBOUT

07:12RESPONDING TO THE THREAT OF

07:151000, UP TO 10,000 WORKERS

07:17THAT CURRENTLY DRIVE RIDESHARE

07:21RIGHT HERE IN THE METRO AS

07:23ESTIMATED BY THE MINNESOTA

07:24DEPARTMENT OF LABOR WHEN THEY

07:27DID THEIR RIDESHARE STUDY. WE

07:29ARE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING

07:31EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO BE

07:33PROACTIVE IN PREVENTING THAT

07:35DISPLACEMENT. ESPECIALLY KNOWING

07:36THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THOSE 10,000

07:40RIDESHARE DRIVERS WITH 90% O

07:41THEM LIVING RIGHT HERE IN OUR

07:42COMMUNITIES, RIGHT HERE IN THE

07:43TWIN CITIES METRO. SO MEANING,

07:44THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO GO SHOP

07:47AT YOUR LOCAL GROCERY STORE,

07:49THAT USE THEIR IOME TO PAY

07:50RENT, THAT ALSO CONTRIBUTES TO

07:52THE REVENUE THAT THE CIT

07:54COLLECTS. THEY ALSO GO AND ENJOY

07:57CONCER AT OUR DIFFERENT PUBLIC

07:59AMENITIES, LIKE THE TARGET

08:00CENTER, WHICH ALSO BRINGS

08:02AMENITIES TO OUR CITY. THEY SEND

08:04THEIR KIDS TO MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC

08:05SCHOOLS. THESE ARE OUR

08:06NEIGHBOR THESE ARE OUR

08:07RESIDENTS. THESE ARE TAXPAYERS

08:08RIGHT HERE. THEY ARE MAJORITY

08:10BLACK AND AFRICAN, ALSO MAJORITY

08:13IMMIGRANT. MANY DO NOT HAVE A

08:15POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION. AND

08:18OFTEN REL ON RIDESHARE DRIVING

08:21AS THEIR FULL SOURCE OR NEAR

08:25FULL SOURCE OF INCOME. AND OFTEN

08:26ARE THE PRIMARY BREADWINNERS IN

08:28THEIR HOUSEHOLD. SO SUPPORTING

08:30THEM. SO AGAIN, WE WANTED TO

08:34CONTEXTUALIZE WHO ARE THESE

08:35DRIVERS, ESPECIALLY IN THE

08:36LANDSCAPE OF MINNEAPOLIS REALLY,

08:38YOU KNOW, SAY THAT WE'RE A CITY

08:40THAT CHAMPIONS EQUITY. WE ALSO

08:41ARE PRO-WORKER CITY. AND ALSO A

08:44CITY THAT STOOD UP AGAIN HATE

08:45WHEN TRUMP ATTACKED US THIS PAST

08:47WINTER AND ATTACKED OUR

08:49IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES. AND WE

08:50HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE

08:51STANDING UP FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS

08:54AND PREVENTING BIG TECH FROM

08:56STRIPPING THOUSANDS OF JOBS FROM

08:57THOSE COMMUNITIES AS WELL. NEXT

08:58SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THE CRUX OF

09:00THE ORDINANCE, I THINK IT'S

09:01IMPORTANTO ESTABLISH WHAT THIS

09:03ORDINANCE DOES, WHAT DOES

09:05WORKERS DRIVE MINNEAPOLIS DOES.

09:07FIRST, IT REQUIRES THAT ANY

09:09COMMERCIAL AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE

09:09THAT'S LOOKING TO OBTAIN A

09:12LICENSE IN MINNEAPOLIS TO

09:14OPERATE MUST OF HAVING

09:19THIS TECHNOLOGY OR HAVING THESE

09:27SERVICES COME IN OUR CITY. WE

09:29WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE

09:30RESPONSIVE TO THAT. AND THESE

09:32BASIC REGULATIONS ALLOW THAT

09:33PROTECTION TO BE PUT IN PLACE

09:36WHILE ALSO A CLEAR GUIDELINE FOR

09:37WHAT IS NEEDED FOR AN AUTONOMOUS

09:40VEHICLE COMPA TO OPERATE HERE

09:41IN MINNEAPOLIS. IT ALSO HAS SOME

09:44PROVISIONSN THE ORDINANCE THAT

09:46ADDRESS BASIC TRAFFIC SAFETY

09:48CONCERNSROUND AUTONOMOUS

09:49VEHICLES, AND ALSO ESSENTIALLY,

09:52ALLOW A MORE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD

09:54FOR RIDESHARE COMPANIES LOOKING

09:56TO OPERATE OR ALREADY OPERATING

09:59HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS. BY

10:00CREATING, AGAIN, STANDARDIZED

10:01BASELINE REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN

10:04ALIGNMENT WITH HOW WE ALSO

10:06APPROACH T AND Cs AND OTHER

10:08RIDESHARE COMPANIES. NEXT SLIDE,

10:10PLEASE. SO WHAT THIS ORDINANCE

10:12DOES NOT DO. IT IS NOT A BAN. I

10:14KN WE'VE HEARD THAT MULTIPLE

10:15TIMES NOW. IT CREATES A PATHWAY

10:19IN WHICH AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE

10:20COMPANIES LIKE WAYMO THAT'S

10:23OWNED BY YOU KNOW, GOOGLE OR

10:28ELON MUSK COMPANIES. IT CREATES

10:30A PATHWAY FOR ALL OF THE TECH

10:33COMPANIES. IT CREATES A PATHWAY

10:35FOR THEM TO DO SO AND SET BASIC

10:37LAWS IN PLACE THAT PROTECTS

10:38RESIDENTS AND WORKERS IN THE

10:40PROCESS. AGAIN, IT'S A STARTING

10:42PLACE AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE

10:44THIS BECAUSE THATS WHY WE ARE

10:45LOOKING AT THIS AS A

10:47MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH. WE WANT

10:52TO MOVE FORWARD. WHILE ALS

10:53TAKING THE REST OF THE YEAR TO

10:55DEVELOP BROADER REGULATORY

10:56PIECES THAT WE WILL NEED TO HAVE

10:59BE PUT IN PLACE BEFORE THESE

11:01COMPANIES ARE FULLY OPERATING

11:03COMMERCIAL RIDES ON OUR STREETS.

11:05SO AGAIN, IT SUPPORTS A STARTING

11:08PLACE FOR REGULATION. AND WE

11:09KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO

11:10THIS WORK AT A BROADER LANDSCAPE

11:13WITH OUR STATEWIDE PARTNERS WHO

11:14HAVE BEEN PART OF OUR

11:16CONVERSATIONS AS WE'VE DRAFTED

11:19WORKERS DRIVE MINNEAPOLIS THAT

11:19WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE US MOVE

11:20FORWARD WITH THIS. AND AL, TO

11:24MODEL THERE'S COMPONENTS OF THIS

11:25AFTER THE LEGISLATION BROUGHT

11:27FORWARD THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE

11:28SESSION. AGAIN, IT DOES NOT END

11:31THE CONVERTIONS ABOUT LOCAL

11:32REGULATIONS. IT STARTS TO BEGIN

11:33IT AND BE PROACTIVE ABOUT IT.

11:35AND'M ALSO WANTING TO EXTEND

11:38GRATITUDE TO CITY STAFF, TO OUR

11:40APPOINTED BOARDS AND

11:42COMMISSIONS, AND VARIOUS

11:43COMMUNITY ADVOCATES AND LABOR

11:45GROUPS WHO HAVE SPENT SEVERAL

11:47MONTHS WORKING WITH US IN

11:49DEVELOPING THIS LANGUAGE TO MAKE

11:50SURE IT WAS THOUGHTFUL, TIMELY,

11:51AND RESPONSIVE T THE CURRENT

11:53ENVIRONMENT THAT WE ARE IN AS IT

11:55PERTAINS TO AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES.

11:59NOW, NEXT SLIDE. I KNOW WE OFTEN

12:06HEAR CONCERNS RELATED TO SAFETY,

12:08SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE

12:09THEY, YOU KNOW, EITHER ENHANCING

12:13OR HINDERING SAFETY ON OUR

12:14STREETS. HOW DO THEY RELATE WITH

12:17EMERGENCY VEHICLES. IN THE

12:18COMMITTEE W HEARD LAST WEEK,

12:20PEOPLE RAISED THE CONCERNS

12:22AROUND HOW WILL THESE VEHICLES

12:22HANDLE DRIVING IN A WINTER

12:24CLIMATE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, OUR

12:27PRIMARY SEASON HERE IN

12:28MINNEAPOLIS. SO ALL OF THOSE

12:31CONCERNS IS ALSO WHY WE'RE

12:32SAYING THIS IS A LTI-PRONGED

12:36APPROACH. WE WANT TO -- NEXT

12:37SLIDE, PLEASE. WE WANT TO PASS

12:40WORKERS DRIVE MINNEAPOLIS TO

12:42ESTABLISH THAT PROACTIVE

12:44PREVENTIVE MEASURE OF MAKING

12:45SURE WORKERS ARE NOT DISPLACED.

12:47BUT THIS ALSO GIVES US THE TIME,

12:48ALL OF 2027, ESSENTIALLY, TO

12:51DEVELOP THESE OTHER PIECES. TO

12:52GIVE USIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT

12:54IT MEANS FOR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT

12:56AND THE IACTS ON PUBLIC

12:58SAFETY, TO LOOK AT HOW WE WILL

13:00APPROACH SVEILLANCE AND DATA

13:01MANAGEMENT IN COLLABORATION WITH

13:03THESE COMPANIES. HOW AS WHAT WAS

13:04WROUGHT BROUGHT UP IN THE

13:08COMMITTEE HEARING LAST WEEK, HOW

13:12WILL WE ADDRESS CASES IF INJURED

13:15BY THESE CARS. OR STREET

13:17MAINTENANCE. LOOKING AT STREET

13:19STRUCTURES. THIS GIVES US TIME

13:22THAT WE SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE

13:24ANSWERS TO AT THIS TIME NOR DO

13:28OUR STAFF. SIMILAR TO HOW WE'RE

13:29APPROACHING DATA CENTER REGULAT

13:39MORATORIUM TO PUT IMMEDIATE

13:40PROTECTIONS IN PLACE. SO WE'RE

13:43MODELING EENTIALLY THIS

13:44APPROACH AFTER THAT AS WELL. AND

13:48THIS ALSO ALLOWS OUR STATE

13:49LEADERS TO DO THAT STATEWE

13:53COMPREHENSIVE REGULATORY WORK TO

13:54MAKE SURE THOUSANDS OF

13:58MINNESOTAANS ARE PROTECTED AS

14:02THEY'RE CONSIDERING HOW. SO THIS

14:03GIVES US TIME TO WORK WITH OUR

14:05STATE LEADERS AND GIVES US TIME

14:06IN RESPONSE TO WHATEVER TY

14:10PASS IN THE 2020 SESSION TO

14:12AMEND OUR ORDINANCE TO MAKE SURE

14:12IT'S FITTING AND RESPONSIVE TO

14:14THE NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS AS

14:15WELL IN OUR CITY. SO WITH THAT,

14:18I DO WANT TO JUST SAY THANK YOU

14:20TO OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS. AGAIN,

14:21I THINK A PIECE THAT I'M MISSING

14:23IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF THAT

14:26TIME TT WOULD BE GIVEN TO US

14:27BY THE FACT THAT THIS ORDINANCE

14:29WOULD NOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL

14:31OCTOBER 2027 IF IT WAS PASSED

14:36THIS WEEK. SO AGAIN, I REALLY

14:38ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGS TO

14:39SUPPORT THIS. AND ALSO HELP US

14:42JUST BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF

14:44BEING ONE OF THE STRONGEST

14:47TIES IN ESTABLISHING CLEAR

14:48PROTECTIONS FOR OUR RESIDENTS,

14:49FOR WORKERS, IN A WAY THAT HAS

14:51NOT BN MODELED BY OTHER CITIES

14:54THAT DID ROLL OUT THE RED CARPET

14:56FOR AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES AND ARE

14:58NOT GETTING THE BENEFITS THAT

14:59THEY WERE SOLD. SO WITH THAT, I

15:00WILL PASS IT BACK TO THE CHAIR.

15:03>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE

15:04PRESENTATION. NOW, I WILL

15:07PROCEED TO OPEN UP THIS PUBLIC

15:10HEARING. WE HAVE SEVERAL

15:11SPEAKERS SIGNED UP. AS A

15:14REMINDER, YOU HAVE TWO MINUT

15:15TO SPEAK. IF YOU NEED

15:18INTERPRETATIONS, YOU WILL BE

15:20ALLOTTED FOUR MINUTES. AND THEN

15:23YOU CAN SIGN UP TO SPEAK, IF Y

15:26HAVEN'T ALREADY, IF YOU'D LIKE

15:27TO, WITH THE CLERKS OUTSIDE OF

15:29OUR CHAMBERS. OR IF YOU NEED

15:31ASSISTANCE, YOU CAN RAISE YOUR

15:32HAND. I WILL ALSO BE RDING OFF

15:33THESE NAMES. I'M GNG TO TRY TO

15:35READ YOUR HANDWRITING AS BEST AS

15:37POSSIBLE. IF I'M NOT ABLE TO, I

15:39WILL SAY SOMETHING THAT MAY

15:40INDICATE TO YOU THAT IT'S YOUR

15:42TIME. I'M GOING TOALL OUT THE

15:44FIRST FIVE SPEAKERS TO BE ON

15:47DECK. TH FIRST IS OSMAN DESAIN.

15:49THE SECOND IS SOMEONE WITH THE

15:52LAST NAME SMITH. THIRD IS RICKY

15:55HALGREN. FOURTH IS JENNIFER

15:59DUNHAM. FIFTH IS WADE. SO WE

16:00WILL HAVE SPEAKER NUMBER ONE,

16:05OSMAN DESAIN COME UP AND GIVE

16:06YOUR PUBLIC TESTIMONY. I'LL CALL

16:09OUT ONE MORETIME. SPEAKER

16:12NUMBER ONE, OSMAN DESAI OKAY.

16:16WE'RE GOING TO -- OKAY. WE WILL

16:18MOVE TO THE NEXT SPEAKER, LAST

16:21NAME SMITH.

16:23SPEAKER NUMBER 2. I THINK

16:27THERE'S A Y-H-S SMITH. SPEAKER

16:30NUMBER TWO. OKAY. WE WILL MOVE

16:31TO THE NEXT ONE. SPEAKER NUMBER

16:363, RICKY HALGREN. WELCOME.

16:47>> HLO WE ALL FELT THE

16:50COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY TO

16:51STAND UP AND DO SOMETHING THIS

16:54PAST WINTER. WE BELIEVE

16:55MINNEAPOLIS TO BE A WELCOMING

16:56CITY WHERE IMMIGRANTS CAN FORM

16:58COMMUNITY AND FLOURISH. WHEN

16:59THAT HAPPENS, WE ARE ALL BETTER

17:01FOR IT. TO REMAIN COMMITTED TO

17:04THAT IDEA IS TO UNDERSTAND

17:06IMMIGRANT JOBS ARE FOUNDATIONAL

17:08TO STABILITY AND WE MUST EXTEND

17:09OUR EFFORTS. WE'RE ALL AWARE OF

17:11THE IMPACT TO IMMIGRANT

17:12BUSINESSES IN THE WAKE OF

17:16OPERATION METRO SURGE. MOVING

17:16TOWAS RECONCILIATION DOES NOT

17:18INCLUDE CARVING OUT WORKERS AS

17:22COLLATERAL DAMAGE ON THE ROAD TO

17:25PERCEIVED INNOVATION. INCOMPLETE

17:28PRODUCT TO PERFORM A SERVICE

17:30THAT ALREADY EXISTS. RIDESHARE

17:33DRIVERS IN THE CITY WHO PERFORM

17:35THAT SERVICE STILL SHOWED UP.

17:37DRIVING WITH OR WITHOUT

17:39IMMIGRATION OFFICERS FLOODING

17:40THE METRO. SEEING US AS MERELY

17:44AN UNTAPPED MARKET TO DELIVER

17:45THE NEXT UNICORN TO PRIVATE

17:48EQUITY INVESTORS, BIG TECH IS

17:50NOT OUR FRIEND NOR OUR NEIGHBOR.

17:52UNLIKE THE 10,000 DESHARE

17:56DRIVERS. I'M WILLING TO BET

17:57EVERYONE LISTENING HAS HAD

17:58CONVERSATIONS IN THEIR WORKPLACE

18:01ABOUT HOW AI AND AUTOMATION MAY

18:03IMPACT THEIR INDUSTRY MAYBE

18:04IT'S BASED IN USING THESE NEW

18:06PRODUCTS. BUT OFTEN ROOTED IN

18:08HELPING YOU DO YOUR JOB, NOT

18:10REPLACING YOURS. A COMPANY

18:11THAT'S NOT THREATENING BUT

18:13PROMISING TO SYPHON JOBS FROM

18:14OUR COMMUNITY AND EXTRACT DATA

18:17FROM MINNEAPOLIS. SHOULD OUR

18:19STREETS PROVIDE THE NECESSARY

18:21DATA TO TRAIN AUTONOMOUS

18:21VEHICLES TO NAVIGATE? SHOULD

18:23SCHOOL BUS ROUTES AND PARKWAYS

18:26BE PLATFORMS TO WORK OUT THE

18:28INEVITABLE BUGS? MINNESOTANS

18:31HAVE BEEN CLEAR WE WILL NOT SELL

18:33OUT ONE ANOTHER TO EXECUTIVES

18:35WHO ONLY CLAIM TO GAIN MORE

18:37CONTROL OF OUR LIVES. BIG TECH

18:41DOESN'T GET TO DECIDE WHAT OUR

18:42FUTURE LOOKS LIKE, WE DO. THANK

18:44YOU.

18:44>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE HAVE

18:46SPEAKER NUMBER 4, JENNIFER

18:48DUNHAM. AND THEN JENNIFER, I'M

18:51GOING TO HAVE CITY CLERK MICHAEL

18:53MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ALL SET

18:53AND READY TO GO.

18:57>> I WILL ALSO NOTE, CHAIR, THAT

18:59I BELIEVE SOME SPEAKERS CAME IN

19:01THAT YOU CALLED OUT EARLIER CAME

19:02IN TO SPEAK.

19:03>> I BELIE THAT'S ONE OF THEM

19:04OVER THERE.

19:05>> SPEAKER NUMBER 2 IS HERE, I

19:07BELIEVE.

19:08>> OKAY. WE WILL RETURN TO

19:09SPEAKER NUMBER 2 AFTER JENNIFER.

19:11JENNIFER, YOU ARE GOOD TOGO.

19:12YOU MAY START.

19:14>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU CHAIR

19:15CHOWDHURY, MEMBERS OF COCIL.

19:17MY NAME IS JENNIFER DUNHAM. I AM

19:23THE PRESIDENT OF THE BLIND

19:24MINNESA CHAPTER. I URGE A NO

19:27VOTE ON THIS ORDINANCE THAT

19:29INCLUDES IN ITS REQUIREMENTS A

19:31MAN MONITOR IN EVERY CAR, AND

19:33INSTEAD, ENGAGE WITH THE BROADER

19:35CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE ONGOING.

19:37THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY VERYOMPLEX

19:38QUESTIONS AND THEY NEED A

19:41COLLABORATIVE SOLUTION THAT INVT

19:44LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT FOR THE

19:45RIGHT ASPECTS OF IT. JUST TO

19:47GIVE A BIT OF A PERSPECTIVE FROM

19:49TRAVELERS WHO ARE BLIND. THE

19:51EXPANDED CHOICES THAT ARE

19:53BROUGHT ON BY AUTONOMOUS

19:54VEHICLES WOULD BRING SERAL

19:55BENEFITS. I THINK YOU HEARD LAST

19:56SESSION OF THE HEARING ABOUT THE

19:59CONTINUING CHALLENGES OF RIDERS

20:01BEING REFUSED OR CANCELED ON

20:03BECAUSE THEY HAVE A GUIDE DOG.

20:05AND IN SPITEF YEARS OF

20:09INDIVIDUAL COURT SETTLEMENTS,

20:11COMPLAT FILING SYSTEMS,

20:13COMPANY POLICY UPDATES AND OTHER

20:15EFFORTS TO MITIGATE THIS, PEOPLE

20:17WHO ARE USING GUIDE DOGS

20:20BASILLY HAVE TO BUDGET TIME

20:21EVERY TIME THEY GO ON A RIDE

20:23BECAUSE OF THE HIGH LIKELOOD

20:25THAT THEY WILL BE REFUSED. AND

20:26THAT'S TO GO ON A JOB INTERVIEW

20:28TO TRY TO GET A JOB. WE HAVE A

20:30VERY HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT RATE

20:32AMONG FOLKS WHO ARE BLIND AS

20:32WELL. SOME OF THE OTHER BENEFITS

20:37OF THIS WOULDE PRIVACY.

20:38CERTAINLY HAVING YOUR SCREAMING

20:43TODDLER IN THE CAR, IT'S NICE TO

20:45HAVE A PRIVATE VEHICLE SPACE FOR

20:47THAT. PRIVATE PHONE CALLS, ET

20:48CETERA. THERE ARE MANY OTHERS.

20:52WE'VE VISITED OTHER CITIES WHERE

20:53THIS HAS EXISTED. THEY COEXIST

20:56WITH HUMAN DRIVERS. WE DON'T

20:58WANT TO GET RID OF HUMAN DRIVERS

20:59BY ANY STRETCH. AND WE SEE IN

21:01OTHER CITIES THAT THEY BOTH

21:02EXIST TOGETHER. AND WE THINK

21:04THAT CAN HAPPEN AND WEON'T

21:07WANT TO SEE THIS DRASTIC AND

21:10PREEMPTIVE DECISION MADE THAT

21:11WOULD KIND OF TIP IT IN THAT

21:13DIRECTION AND MAKE IF DIFFICULT

21:14TO MOVE FORWARD. TO SO PLEASE,

21:21LOOK TOWD CREATIVE DECISIONS TH

21:23THANK YOU.

21:23>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT, WE

21:28HAVE -- WE'LL GO BACK TO SPEAKER

21:30NUMBER 2, LAST NAME SMITH.

21:31WELCOME.

21:37>> CAN YOU HEAR ME WITH THE

21:38MASK?

21:39>> YEAH, JUST COME A LITTLE BIT

21:41CLOSER WITH THE MIC. IF YOU NEED

21:42TO PULL IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

21:44>> I'M SORRY TO BE SHORT.

21:45>> I UNDERSTAND.

21:46>> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO

21:48BE HERE. I'M JUST SPEAKING OUT

21:50BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, LET ME BE

21:54MINDFUL, BUT LET'S ALL BE A

21:57SELF-REFLECTION.

21:57>> PARDON ME. CLERKS, WE NEED

21:59THE TIMER.

22:00OKAY. YOU MAY START AGAIN.

22:01>> OKAY. THANK YOU. LET'S ALL BE

22:04MINDFUL AND LET'S ALL BE A

22:06SELF-REFLECTIOOF ONE ANOTHER.

22:07WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE AWAY THE

22:09JOBS FROM THE HUMANS. WE NEED

22:12THE DRIVERS. I LIKE THE LYFT

22:13DRIVERS, ACTUALLY. IT'S A GOOD

22:15IDEA. IT DOES HP A LOT OF

22:17PEOPLE. I'M TOO SCARED. I'VE

22:19BEEN IN THREE CAR ACCIDENTS. BUT

22:21I STILL LIKE HUMAN DRIVERS. I

22:22DON'T WANT TO BE IN A CAR

22:26BECAUSE I'M CLAUSTROPHOBIC. NOW

22:28I'M TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE CAR

22:30IF THE CAR STOPS. THINGS LIKE

22:31THAT. WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL AND

22:34SELF-REFLECTION. ALL THESE

22:35PEOPLE HERE THAT HAVE VOICES. WE

22:36COME TO HAVE VOICES, BUT IS OUR

22:39VOICE BEING REALLY HEARD? YOU

22:40KNOW. AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING

22:43HERE TO LISTEN TO ALL OF US AND

22:45TO FIGHT WITH US WITH THE VOICES

22:47THAT ARE COMING. I DON'T TNK

22:50IT NEEDS TO BE A NON-DRIVER.

22:52IT'S TOO MUCH ALREADY. I'M

22:55SEEING ON SOCIAL MEDIA. NOT JUST

22:57SOCIAL MEDIA. I'VEEEN IT DONE

22:59IN ANOTHER STATE. ALL THESE CARS

23:00THAT ARE BACKING UP. DON'T KNOW

23:02WHER THEY'RE GOING AND STUFF.

23:05WE DON'T NEED THIS. WE'VE

23:07ALREADY GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS

23:08GOING ON. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, I'D

23:10JUST LIKE TO SPEAK UP FOR T

23:11LYFT DRIVERS. I APPRECIATE YOU.

23:13WE ALL HAVE BAD DAYS. SOMETIMES

23:14WE HAVE GOOD DAYS. WN YOU HAVE

23:16BAD DAYS, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA

23:18TALK OR PULL OVER BEFOREE PICK

23:20UP THE NEXT PERSON. I JUST ASK

23:22THAT EVERY VOICE THAT IS

23:23SPEAKING IN HERE, THAT YOU FIGHT

23:25FOR THESE VOICES AND LET'S ALL

23:27BE A SELF-REFLECTION. BECAUSE

23:29THIS CAN BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S

23:31EVERYWHERE. SO THANK YOU FOR

23:34ALLOWING ME TO SHARE AND TO BE

23:35HERE. AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOU

23:38GUYS. OUR VOICE WILL BE HEARD.

23:39THANK YOU.

23:39>> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE

23:44SPEAKER NUMBER 5, WADE.

23:50>> A LITTLE TALLER HERE. HI,

23:54THERE. MY NAME IS WADE AND I

23:55LIVE IN WARD 13. IT'S MY FIRST

23:58TIME DOING THIS SO BEAR WITH ME.

24:00I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL

24:02MEMBERS WHO BROUG FORWARD THIS

24:02ORDINANCE AND WOULD LIKE TO

24:03SPEAK IN SUPPORT. FIRST, DRIVERS

24:06PRIDE KEY SERVICES THAT MAKE

24:10RIDESHARE ACCESSIBLE FOR MORE

24:13PEOPLE. MAKING SURE PASSENGERS

24:14ENTER AND EXIT SAFELY IN SNOWY

24:18TEMPERATURES. DRIVERLESS CARS

24:19CANNOT PROVIDE THIS LEVEL OF

24:21CARE AND THIS WILL NATURALLY

24:23LIMIT THEIR ACCESSIBILITY TO A

24:25SMALLER GROUP OF PEOPLE.

24:28SECONDLY, FOR ALL OF THEIR TOP

24:30LINE STATEMENTS, WAYMO IS NOT

24:31HERE BECAUSE THEY WANT T

24:32PROVIDE A BETTER AND CHEAPER

24:36RIDE PERIENCE. THEY'RE HERE

24:37BECAUSE THEY -- ANY SAVINGS THEY

24:38GET FROM NOT HAVING TO DEAL WITH

24:42WORKERS WILL ONLY RESULT IN

24:43THOUSANDS OF DRIVERS OUT OF

24:45JOBS, AND THOSE SAVINGS GOING

24:47DIRECTLY INTO THE POCKETS OF

24:50SHAREHOLDERS AND NOT TO THE

24:51COMMUNITY. NEGATIVE TO THE

24:52DRIVERS AND THE PEOPLE OF

24:54MINNEAPOLIS. AND I URGE ALL

24:55COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SUPPORT THIS

24:56ORDINANCE. SHOUT OUT TO MY WIFE.

24:57I WAS TRYING TO GET OUR YOUTUBE

24:59NUMBERS UP SO I ASKED HER TO

25:00WATCH TODAY. THANK YOU.

25:04>> THANK YOU. OUR NEXT FIVE

25:08SPEAKERS ARE SPEAKER NUMBER 6,

25:12JIM HAMMOND. SPEAKER NUMBER 7,

25:16MIKE B. SPEAKER NUMBER 8,

25:19MOHAMED OSAME. SPEAKER NUMBER 9,

25:24MOHAMED ADAN. AND SPEAKER 10,

25:26JUDY SANDERS. WE'LL GO TO

25:29SPEAKER NUMBER 6, JIM HAMMOND.

25:33>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I JIM

25:39HAMMOND. I'M A STUDENT AT T

25:40UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA. ASND I

25:44URGE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THIS.

25:48FIRSTLY, ACCORDING TO THE NEW

25:48YORK TIMES, UBER HAS RECEIVED

25:52SEXUAL ASSAULT AND HARASSMENT

25:56COMPLAINTS. THAT'S ONE ROUGHLY

25:58EVERY 8 MINUTES. WAYMO TAKES

25:59THAT DRIVER OUT OF THE DRIVER'S

26:03SEAT. FOR A GAY COUPLE WHO

26:04DOESN'T WANT TO BE JUDGED OR

26:06ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS BEEN IN THE

26:07BACK OF THE CAR LATET NIGHT

26:11SCARED TO GET HOME, WAYMO WOULD

26:13BE A SAFER WAY HOME. AS A GAY

26:15MAN, MYSELF, THIS IS IMPORTANT

26:17TO ME. SECONDLY, WAYMO'S ARE

26:20INVOLVE IN FEWER INJURY CRASHES

26:23PER MILE THAN REGULAR DRIVERS. I

26:25PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN IN THIS

26:26MANY TIMES AND TO ME, THEY'VE

26:28BEEN REALLY SAFE. THEY ABIDE THE

26:30SPEED LIMIT EXACY. THEY'LL

26:32NEVER GO OVER AND THEY DRIVE

26:34EXCEPTIONALLY SAFELY AND

26:36SMOOTHLY. I KNOW PEOPLE BRING UP

26:37THE SNOW, BUT THEY HAVE WAYMO'S

26:40IN DENVER AND DENVER ALSO GETS

26:42SNOW LIKE WE DO. AND FINALLY,

26:45JOB LOSS. I EMPATHIZE WITH THE

26:52DRIVERS WHO FEARHE LOSS. -- IN

26:53TWO CITIES WITH WAYMO OUT OF THE

26:55FOUR THAT THEY TESTED, RIDESHARE

26:58DRIVERS ACTUALLY SAW MORE

27:00PASSENGERS. ACCORDING TO GRID

27:01WISE, WHICH IS AN APP THAT LETS

27:04RIDESHARE DRIVERS COMPARE THEIR

27:05PAWITH OTHER DRIVERS. SO THIS

27:07KIND OF LEADS TO INDUCED DEMAND,

27:09WHICH IS HOW ECONOMISTS DESCRIBE

27:13MORE CONVENIENT TRANSPORTATION

27:15OPTIONS MEANS PEOPLE ACTUALLY

27:16TAKE MORE RIDES AND GO MORE

27:18ACES WHICH ALSO SUPPORTS THE

27:20LOCAL ECONOMY. SO WAYMO MAKES

27:23THE TRANSPORTATION PIE BIGGER,

27:24NOT JUST TAKING AWAY RIDES FROM

27:26UBER AND LYFT. THIS IS N

27:27REALLY ABOUT THE 10,000 PEOPLE

27:29LOSING THEIR JOBS ALL AT ONCE,

27:31LIKE PROPONENTS CLAIM. THIS IS

27:38ABOUT GETTING RIDES SAFER. THANK

27:40YOU.

27:40>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. SPEAKER

27:43NUMBER 7, MIKE B.

27:48>> HI. MY NAME'S MIKE BARTOW.

27:50I'M A RESIDENT OF MINNEAPOLIS IN

27:52RD 10, AND A MEMBER OF LOCAL

27:5526. AS A TRANSIT RIDER AND

27:56SOMEONE WHO CARES ABOUT WORK'S

27:59RIGHTS AND OUR IMMIGRANT

28:00COMMUNITY HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS

28:00AND THROUGHOUT, I HOPE YOU VOTE

28:02YES FOR THIS ORDINANCE. IF WAYMO

28:06AND SIMILAR COMPANIES ARE

28:07ALLOWED TO OPERATE HERE ON THEIR

28:09OWN TERMS, THOUSANDS OF DRIVERS

28:11WILL LOSE THEIR LIVELIHOODS AND

28:13THOUSANDSF FAMILIES WILL BE

28:17FORCED TO ENDURE HARDSHIPS. ON

28:19TOP OF ANY MONEY MADE BY WAYMO

28:22WILL FLEE THE CITY. THE ONLY

28:25BENEFICIARIES WOULD BE THE BIG

28:27TECH COMPANIES AND THEIR

28:28INVESTORS. FOR ME, THE MATTER IS

28:30CUT AND DRY. IS THE CITY OF

28:32MINNEAPOLIS GOING TO HAVE THE

28:33BACKS OF 10,000 WORKERS AND

28:35FAMILIES WHO MAKE VITAL

28:36CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY?

28:39OR ARE WE GOING TO ABANDON OUR

28:42NEIGHBORS AND INSTE CATER TO

28:45THE PROFIT MOTIVES OF BIG TECH

28:48COMPANIES IN CALIFORNIA. ON THAT

28:50NOTE, PLEASE VOTE YES FOR THIS

28:52ORDINANCE. THANK YOU.

28:53>> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE

28:55SPEAKER NUMBER 8, MOHAMED,

28:57WARSAME.

29:03>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MOHAMED

29:06WARSAME. I'M UBER AND LYFT

29:08DRIVER. AND ALSO, A LOT OF

29:11PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT,

29:14YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT EDUCATED OR

29:19WE'RE NOT IMMIGRANT. BUT AS

29:23MYSELF, I HAVE A BACHELOR DEGREE

29:25IN COMPUTER SCIENCE. I GRADUATED

29:28FROM UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA. I

29:29HAVE AASTER'S DEGREE IN

29:32CYBERSECURITY. I'VE BEEN IN TECH

29:33INDUSTRY FOR LAST 20 YEARS. SO

29:36NOT EDUCATED, BUT ALSO WE MAKE

29:39MONEY, YOU KNOW, DRIVING. AND

29:44ALSO, IT'S OUR -- WE DRIVE ON

29:48WEEKENDS. WE DRIVE EVENINGS WHEN

29:52WE HAVE TIME. IT'S A SAFETY NET

29:54FOR US THAT WE MAKE MONEY. I

29:55WANT TO SET CLEAR THAT

29:57EVERYBODY'S NOT LIKE THAT. AND

30:00THE SECONDHING IS AS WE

30:01PREPARE FOR THIS WAYMO AND

30:03DRIVERLESS CARS, I WANT TO HAVE

30:07THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO THE

30:08DRIVERS ON THE TABLE SO THAT WE

30:12CAN HAVE OUR INPUT BECAUSE OF,

30:13YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ON THE

30:16ROAD. SO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING

30:16ON. AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES, YOU

30:21KNOW, COULD BRINGBENEFITS. BUT

30:27ALSO, THEY CAN ALSO BRING SOME

30:28JOB LOSSES FOR THE DRIVERS. TAXI

30:37DRIVERS, AND ALSO OTHER

30:38TRANSPORTATION DRIVERS. I WANT

30:41TO HAVE -- I ALSO NEED TO ASK,

30:44BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE

30:47THAT ARE ON THE COMMUNITY THAT

30:50ARE GETTING SERVED. SO WE WANT

30:52TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO

30:53ARE GETTING SERVED ARE THE

30:55PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING THE

30:56BENEFIT OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE OUR

30:59NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, NORTH

31:02MINNEAPOLIS, SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS,

31:03ARE THEY GETTING THOSE BENEFITS.

31:05THE SECOND POINT I WANT TO MAKE

31:08IS SAFETY. SAFETY, THAT'S THE

31:12POINT I WANT TO MAKE. SAFETY

31:14COMES FIRST.

31:15>> THANK YOU, SIR. IF YOU HAVE

31:17WRITTEN COMMENT, YOU CAN SUBMIT

31:20IT. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER

31:22IS SPEAKER NUMBER 9, MOHAMED

31:25ADEN. AND I HOPE I GOT YOUR LAST

31:27NAME RIGHT.

31:27>> YEAH. HI, MY NAME IS MOHAMED,

31:32I'M FROM DENVER, COLORADO. YEAH.

31:35I'M FROM DENVER, COLORADO.

31:38ALMOST 23 ARS. WHEN I HEAR

31:40THIS COMMUNITY THEY HAVE WAYMO

31:43IS ONE OF THE WORST COMPANY TO

31:45BRING DOWN HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS.

31:47I JUST MOVE DOWN HERE. AND THIS

31:50IS THE WORST PLACE. I SEE IN

31:53COLORADO WE HAVE A LOT OF

31:54ACCIDENTS IN WAO. YOU CAN

31:56CHECK IT OUT ANYWHERE. THE FIRST

31:58TIME THEY BRING IN THE CITY, IN

32:01WAYMO, IT WAS LIKE ONE CAR RIGHT

32:03NOW, THEY JUST DO 40-50 CARS.

32:06AND THE WHOLE CITY IS MESSED UP.

32:09NO SAFE. ACCIDENT IS EVERYWHERE.

32:12WE WOULD LIKE TO VOTE NO FOR

32:14WAYMO HERE. THANK YOU.

32:15>> THANK YOU. NEXT IS SPEER

32:18NUMBER 10, JUDY SANDERS.

32:22WELCOME, JUDY. AND THEN OUR

32:24CLERK IS HERE TO ASSIST YOU TO

32:25MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE MIC.

32:27>> HI. MY NAME IS JUDY -- OH,

32:31OKAY. MY NAME IS JUDY SANDERS

32:36AND I AM FROM DOWNTOWN

32:40MINNEAPOLIS. AND I WANT TO SAY

32:49GUESS YOU CAN TELL. AND LAST

32:53SUMMER I ATTENDED THE NATIONAL

32:55CONVENON OF THE NATIONAL

32:58FEDERATION OF THE BLIND IN AUST

33:06DELIGHT I FELT WHEN I WAS

33:08SITTING IN THE FRONT SEAT OF THE

33:10CAR ON THERIGHT-HAND SIDE AND

33:13NO ONE NON-DRIVER DOESN'T

33:16WANT TO TRAVEL WITH A DOG GUIDE?

33:20AND WHY DOESN'T HE OR SHE JUST

33:24DRIVE THE VEHICLE INSTEAD OF

33:27JUST SITTING IN IT? IRGE YOU

33:32TO USE GOOD SENSE IN VOTING NO

33:38FOR THI VERSION OF THE

33:40PROPOSAL. FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF

33:42AUSTIN, TEXAS, AND OTHER CITIES

33:46DOING THE SAME THING. GIVE US,

33:50THE BLIND PEOPL IN THIS WORLD,

33:54THE INDEPENDENCE THAT IS NOW

33:57POSSIBLE. IT'S NOT TOO LATE FOR

33:59YOU TO DO E RIGHT THING.

34:02>> THANK YOU. THE NEXT FIVE

34:07SPEAKERS ARE AS FOLLOWS: SPEAKER

34:13NUMBER 11, ABDI -- AND I CAN'T

34:15READ YOUR FULL NAME CLEARLY, BUT

34:17YOUR LAST NAME IS ALI. SPEAKER

34:21NUMBER 12, GAVIN C. SPEAKER

34:23NUMBER 13, JACK BRUNEL. SPEAKER

34:2714, ALEX SMITH. AND SPEAKER 15,

34:31HAMSE HUSSEIN. SO WE WILL START

34:33WITH MR. ALI. IF YOU ARE IN THE

34:35ROOM. YES. IT'S SPEAK NUMBER

34:4311 ON MY SHEET BECAUSE THINGS

34:46HAVE GOTTEN A LITTLE SHUFFLED.

34:51>> THA YOU, EVERYBODY. MY NAME

34:53IS ABDICAN ALI. I'M A RIDESHARE

34:57DRIVER AS WELL AS LOCAL 26

35:03ORGANIZER. I HATE WAYMO WILL

35:06TAKE 10,000 RIDESHARE DRIVERS

35:12JOB. I ASK MYSELF IS THE AV CARS

35:15SPENDING THE MEY IN OUR

35:19RESTAURANTS, OUR GROCERY, OUR

35:27ENTERTAIN, TO DONATE FOR

35:29VULNERABLEPEOPLE. THEY CAN'T

35:31HELP VULNERABLE PEOPLE LIKE

35:32ELDERLY PEOPLE, DISABILITY, OR

35:36WHOEVER. I DOUBT IT. ON THE

35:41OTHER HAND, IF THE SITUATION

35:45SOMEHOW THE CUSTOMERS GET

35:46EMERGENCY OR HEART ATTACK OR

35:48ANYTHING, IS THE AV CAN HELP

35:50THEM? I DOUBT IT. SO PLEASE BE

35:57SMART AND THIS BILL IS IORTANT

36:00FOR MINNESOTAN. NOT ONLY 10,000

36:05RIDESHARE DRIVERS. THERE'S A

36:07THOUSAND OR MAYBE 40 OR 50,000

36:11ALSO LOSING THEIR INCOME. SO I

36:16URGE THE CITY COUNCIL SAY YES.

36:19AND WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW

36:26IMPACTED OUR COMMUNITY IF AV

36:28CARS TAKE THE ROAD.

36:30EVEN THOUGH ALSO THE HIGHWAY

36:32INDUSTRIES ARE NOT SAFE. AS

36:37MENTIONED EARLIER, SAN FRANCISCO

36:37SUENDED THEIR LICENSE BECAUSE

36:39OF NO SAFE. SO PLEASE BE SMART

36:45AND SAY YES THIS BILL. AND

36:46ENCOURAGE IT. IT WILL BE -- IF

36:51THIS BILL IS NOT PASSED. THANK

36:53YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR

36:54TIME.

37:00>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT IS

37:03GAVIN C.

37:06I THINK YOUR LAST NAME IS

37:09CHEBOR. SPEAKER NUMBER 12. OKAY.

37:12THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT

37:13SPEAKER, WHICH IS SPEAKER NUMR

37:1913, JACK BRUNEL.

37:30>> MADAM CHAIRMAN AND

37:33COUNCILORS. MY NAME IS JACK

37:35BRUNEL. I WANTED TO GO BACKND

37:38WANTED TO LOOK AT THE DATA. WHAT

37:40IS THE DATA TELLING US? AND IN

37:482015, MINNEAPOLIS HAD 1700 TAXI

37:51CAB DRIVERS WORKING. TODAY IN

37:552026, WE HAVE 40 TAXI CAB

37:58DRIVERS WORKING. BUT WE HAVE

38:0010,000 UBER AND LYFT DRIVERS

38:02WORKING. WHAT HAPPENED THERE?

38:06THE MARKET INCREASED BY A FACTOR

38:08OF FIVE WHEN UBER AND LYFT CAME

38:12IN TO THE CITY, THE MARKET JUST

38:16EXPANDED. SO THEN I WANTED TO

38:19LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN

38:21IN THE FUTURE. AND I THOUGHT

38:25THAT SAN FRANCISCO IS A GOOD

38:28TEST CASE FOR IS SITUATION. SO

38:35IN 2020 THERE WERE

38:37APPROXIMATELY 40,000 UBER AND

38:43LYFT DRIVERS IN SAN FRANCISCO.

38:48IN 2023, WAYMO STARTED GENERAL

38:52RIDES FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

38:53AND TODAY IN SAN FRANCISCO, WE

38:55HAVE 40,000 UBER AND LYFT

38:57DRIVERS WORKING. WHAT HAPPENED?

39:03WHAT HAPPENED THERE? WE HAVE

39:0440,000 UBER AND LYFT DRIVERS,

39:06AND 800 WAYMO CARS OPERATING.

39:10THE MARKET EXPANDED ONCE AGAIN.

39:17SO UBER AND LYFT MADE GOOD USE

39:19OF THEIR CPETITIVE ADVANTAGES.

39:21THEY HAVE A HUGE -- THEY HAD A

39:24HUGE INSTALL CUSTOMER-BASE.

39:28WAYMO HAS NE. THEY EXPANDED

39:29THE MARKET BY GOING IN TO

39:33DRIVING FOR PACKAGE DELIVERY AND

39:34FOOD SERVICES. THANK YOU.

39:37>> THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE --

39:41I'MUST GOING TO MAKE A QUICK

39:43ANNOUNCEMENT TO EVERYONE HERE.

39:46THERE'S SPACE FOR TWO MORE

39:47INDIVIDUALS TO COME INTO THIS

39:49SPACE. ALSO, TO MAKE ROOM FOR

39:50OTHERS WHO WANT TO SPEAK, I

39:53WOULD ENCOURAGE SAKERS WHO

39:55HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN TO CONSIDER

39:57MAKING SPACE FOR OTHERS T COME

39:59AND SIT IN OUR CHAMBERS. SO MAKE

40:01THAT ANNOUNCEMENT AND THEN I

40:04WILL GO BACK TO THE PRIOR

40:06SPEAKER ON MY LIST, WHICH IS

40:10SPEAKER NUMBER 13, GAVIN CHEBOR,

40:12IF THEY'RE HERE. OKAY. I NOT

40:16SEEING THEM. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.

40:18AND THEN WE'LL GO TO SPEAKER

40:24NUMBER 15, ALEX SMITH. I THERE

40:34ALEX SMITH? OH, RIGHT OVER

40:35THERE. THANK YOU.

40:46>> THANK YOU. THIS IS ONE OF MY

40:50FAVORITE PHOTOS OF MY DAUGHTER

40:51ROSE, WHO HAS A RARE DISEASE

40:57CALLED ANGELMAN'S SYNDROME.

41:00SHE'S OLDER NOW. SHE STILL

41:03FIGHTS FOR HER INDEPENDENCE

41:04EVERY DAY. FOR MANY SUFFERING

41:07FROM COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT,

41:09THEY'RE VULNERABLE TO SEXUAL

41:11ASSAULT. THIS BILL WOULD REQUIRE

41:12HER TO UNNECESSARILY BE DRIVEN

41:14AROUND BY STRANGERS, BY MEN, FOR

41:18EVERY DOCTOR'S VISIT, FOR EVERY

41:21CHECK-IN, FOR EVERY SPEECH OR

41:22PHYSICAL THERAPY SESSION. I WANT

41:24TO BE CLEAR THERE'S NO REASON TO

41:26REQUIRE SOME OF THE MOST

41:28VULNERABLE AMONG US TO BE DRIVEN

41:30AROUND BY TOTAL STRANGERS. AND

41:32IT REALLY HURTS THEIR

41:33INDEPENDENCE. ROSE IS VULNERABLE

41:39AND DEPENDENT. SHE FIGHTS FOR

41:41HER SAFETY AND HER INDEPENDENCE

41:42EVERY DAY. YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO

41:45HELP ROSE BY ABANDONLING THIS

41:49WELL-INTENTIONED BUT ULTIMATELY

41:50HARMFUL BILL. THIS IS A BILL

41:52THAT WILL CONTINUE TRAFFIC

41:53VIOLCE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. IT

41:55HARMS THE INDEPENDENCE OF THOSE

41:56MOST VULNERABLE. I AGREE WITH

41:59THE AMERICAN COUNCIL OF OF BLIND

42:00AND URGE A NO-VOTE ON THIS

42:03OTHERWISE WELL-INTENTIONED BILL.

42:04THANK YOU.

42:05>> THANK YOU. I WL READ OFF

42:07THE NEXT FEW SPEAKERS FOR QUEUE

42:11JUST SO WE HAVE THIS PAGE

42:13CLEARED THROUGH. HAMSE HUSSEIN,

42:16SPEAKER 16. SPEAKER 17 IS IAN.

42:20SPEAKER 18 IS DAVID STIGERS.

42:24SPEAKER 19 IS EMMA CLEVELAND.

42:27SPEAKER 20 IS ABDI RASHAD

42:30MOHAMED. WE'LL GO TO SPEAKER 16,

42:34HAMSA HUSSEIN.

42:39>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU

42:41VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS HAMSA

42:43HUSSEIN. LOCAL 26 AND ALSO

42:52DRIVERS ORGANIZER. I WANT T

42:58TALK ABOUT I'M A FATHER. I HAVE

43:00A RESPONSIBILITY TO FEED MY

43:02FAMILY. AND THIS IS MY MAIN JOB,

43:05TOO. AND TODAY, YOU GUYS HAVE A

43:10RESPONSIBILITY TOO BECAUSE YOU

43:11ARE OFFICIAL ELECTED. WHEN WE'RE

43:18TALKG ABOUT THE SAFETY, THOSE

43:21SELF-DRIVING CARS IS NOT SAFE.

43:26AND ALSO, AS A DRIVER, I HEAR A

43:30LOT OF PEOPLE, THE ARE FEW

43:32PEOPLE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT

43:35ESPECIALLYHE ANIMAL SERVICE,

43:39THEY COMPLAINING DRIVERS DON'T

43:43PICK UP OR THOSE WITH

43:46DISABILITIES. THOSE PLATFORMS,

43:47UBER AND LYFT, THEY HAVE A

43:50POLICY AND WE AGREE AND SIGN. IF

43:55WE CANCEL OR IF WE LVE THOSE

43:58PEOPLE BEHIND, THEY DEACTIVATE

43:59OUR ACCOUNTS. SO THE REASON

44:05MAYBE ONE OF TWO IF THEY SKIP OR

44:10CANCEL THOSE, I UNDERSTAND

44:11THAT'S A FRUSTRATION. THE REASON

44:14ASDRIVERS, THE REASON WE NEED

44:16AS A UNION TO RECOGNIZE AS A

44:20UNION, WE NEED TO TRAIN THOSE

44:25DRIVERS WHO TAKE CARE OF THEIR

44:28PASSENGERS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE

44:30ARE FIGHTING FOR. THAT'S WHAT

44:31WE'RE FIGHTING FOR EVERY STATE

44:36SUCH AS CALIFORNIA AND 800,000

44:40DRERS. THANK YOU.

44:41>> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE'LL GO TO

44:44SPEAKER NUMBER 17, IAN. IS IYAN

44:49HERE? YES.

45:16>> HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON. I'D

45:19LIKE TO INTERPRET FOR ME,

45:20PLEASE.

45:21>> GREAT. WE'LL ADD TIME.

45:23>> HELLO, CHAMBER, MY NAME IS

45:27IYAN AND I WOULD LIKE TO USE THE

45:29INTERPRETER, PLEASE.

45:34>> ( SPEAKING NATIVE LANGUAGE )

45:42>> I'VE HEARD THE SITUATION. I

45:44WAS WORRIED. THEY HELPED ME A

45:51LOT. AND ALSO PART OF MY

45:52COMMUNITY AS WELL. AND THEY HELP

45:53THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. WE DON'T

46:00WANT TO LOSE. I WOULD LIKE TO

46:03SUPPORT THE PERSON AS IYAN. AS

46:06YOU SEE, I'M ON A WHEELCHAIR. I

46:14HAVE PCAs AND ALSO I HAVE PEOPLE

46:17THAT I HELP. WE ALL APPROACHING

46:23THE WINTER TIME AND THEY DON'T

46:25HAVE VEHICLES ACCESSIBILITY TO

46:27COME TO ME. SOME OF THEM IN

46:34ORDER FOR THEM TO COME TO ME AND

46:36PROVIDE THE SERVICE I NEEDED, I

46:38HAVE TO USE AN UBER OR LYFT. AND

46:44SOMETIMES PEOPLE THEY HAVE THEIR

46:46OWN SITUATIONS AND I HAVE TO

46:47SWITCH TT PERSON SO I HAVE TO

46:52PAY. MOULDA HELPS ME A LOT AND

47:00THEY GIVE ME A LOT OF

47:05ACCESSIBILITY FOR MY SITUATION.

47:08IF I HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO, NOT

47:11ONLY MYSELF BUT THERE ARE A LOT

47:13OF PEOPLE IN MY SITUATION WHO

47:14NEED THESE SERVICES AS WELL.

47:21WITH ALL YOUR RESPECT, WOULD

47:23LIKE TO VOTE THIS SESSION FOR

47:24YES IN ORDER TO HAVE THESE

47:26SERVICES PROVIDED TO OUR

47:28CITIZENS. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO

47:34ADD CONSIDERATN TO MY SPEECH

47:35RIGHT NOW AND MY CONCERNS. AND

47:39THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR

47:41TIME.

47:45>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT, IS

47:50EAKER NUMBER 18, DAVID

47:52STICKERS. AND WE'LL JUST WAIT

47:55UNTIL WE HAVE SPACE. THANK YOU.

48:09>> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR

48:11CHOWDHURY. GOOD AFTERNOON,

48:13COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NE IS

48:14DAVID STIGERS, I'M PRESIDENT OF

48:21LOCAL -- BUT ALSO PROVIDE THEM

48:23WITH VITAL INFORMATION, MAINTAIN

48:27ORDER ON THE VEHICLES, ARE

48:28KNOWLEDGEABLE OF TRAFFIC LAWS,

48:31ENFORCE RULES, ASSIST PASSENGERS

48:33WITH DISABILITIES, OVERSEE FAIR

48:35COLLECTION AND SO MUCH MORE. WE

48:37SUPPORT THE PASSAGE OF THIS

48:39BILL. THE ATU TRACKS CONFERENCES

48:47AND TRADE SHOWS. AUTONOMOUS

48:48VEHICLES HAS BEEN RADICALLY OVER

48:51STATED. AVs IN THEIR CURRENT

48:55STATE AREOT ABLE TO -- HAVING

48:57A HUMAN SAFETY OPERATOR ABOARD

48:59EVERY ROBOTAXI IS A VITAL --

49:02SORRY, IS VITAL -- SORRY. IS

49:07VERY VITAL AND WE URGE TO PASS

49:09THIS BILL. BEFORE MINNESOTA

49:11ALLOWS AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES OF

49:12ANY SIZE ON OUR ROADS, WE SHOULD

49:15ESTABLISH CLEAR RULES, STRONG

49:16OVERSIGHT AND REAL

49:18ACCOUNTABILITY. PUBLIC SAFETY

49:19CANNOT BE AN AFTERTHOUGHT. THIS

49:21IS NOT ABOUT BEING AGAINST

49:23TECHNOLOGY, IT IS ABOUT ENSURING

49:25THAT INNOVATION ADVANCES

49:31RESPONSIBLY. -- THOROUGHLY

49:33TESTED IS SUBJECT TO MEANINGFUL

49:35OVERSIGHT AND HAS CLEAR LINES OF

49:37RESPONSIBILITY WHEN INCIDENTS

49:38OCCUR. WE SHOULD ALSO RECOGNIZE

49:40THE BROADER IMPACT AUTONOMOUS

49:43VEHICLES WILL HAVE OUR

49:45TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. ROADS AND

49:46INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY SHOULD

49:48CONTRIBUTE TO THE TRANSPORTATION

49:49NETWORK THEY RELY UPON.

49:53REASONABLE FEES BASED ON MILES

49:55AND HOURS TRAVELED SHOULD ALSO

49:57HELP SUPPORT PUBLIC

49:58TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE

49:59AND SERVICES THAT MILLIONS OF

50:01MINNESOTANS DEPEND UPON EVERY

50:02DAY. SO WITH THAT, I THANK YOU.

50:05>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WILL --

50:08AS WE COME DOWN TO OUR LAST FEW

50:11SPEAKERS, I WILL REMIND EVERYONE

50:12IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AND

50:14HAVE NOT SIGNED UP, YOU CAN GO

50:15TO THE HALLWAY AND SIGN UP WITH

50:18OUR CLERKS JUST OUTSIDE OF OUR

50:20COUNCIL CHAMBERS. WE WILL GO TO

50:23SPEAKER 19, EMMA CLEVELAND.

50:26>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF

50:27THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS EMMA

50:30CLEVELAND, I'M THE STATE

50:31POLITICAL COORDINATOR FOR THE

50:36AMALGAMATED TRANSIT UNION. AS A

50:41UNION OF PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS,

50:43INCLUDING THE WORKERS AT METRO

50:45TRANSIT, WE APPRECIATE THE

50:46OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN IN

50:50SUPPORT OF THIS BILL WHICH WILL

50:52ENSURE THAT WORKERS STAY IN THE

50:56DRIVER'S SEAT. THE ENTIRE PITCH

50:58OF AV IS THAT NEW BUT DIFFERENT

51:01JOBS WILL BE CREATED TO OFFSET

51:03THE JOBS THAT ARE DESTROYED.

51:05HOWEVER, WAYMO ITSELF HAS

51:06ADMITTED TO USING REMOTE

51:08OPERATORS IN THE PHILIPPINES.

51:10AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THESE

51:13WORKERS HAVE U.S. DRIVER'S

51:14LICENSES. IN THIS BI, WE HAVE

51:15THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE

51:17THAT IF AV COMPANIES COME TO

51:18MINNEAPOLIS TO TEST THEIR

51:21VEHICLES, THEY MUST HIRE LOCAL

51:22SAFETY OPERATORS THAT ARE HELD

51:26DRIVERS ON OUR ROADS. WE SHOULD

51:30BE VERY SKEPTICAL ABOUT USING

51:35WAYMO'S PROPRIETARY

51:39SELF-REPORTED DATA ABOUT SAFETY.

51:40RATHER THAN SPENDING OUR SCARCE

51:41RESOURCES ON TESTING OUT THE

51:44LATEST TECH FAD, MINNEAPOLIS

51:46SHOULD INVEST IN OUR EFFICIENT

51:50WELL-TESTED PUBLIC TRANS

51:51SYSTEM AND THE WORKERS WHO MAKE

51:52IT RUN. WE URGE YOU TO PASS THIS

51:55BILL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

51:56>> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE'LL GO TO

51:59SPEAKER NUMR 20, ABDI RASHAD

52:03MOHAMED.

52:04>> HELLO, EVERYBODY. ALL CITY

52:11COUNCIL, GOOD AFTERNOON. I

52:16STIFIED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

52:19SORRY, I'M WITH LOCAL 26. THAT'S

52:20WHAT I FORT. I TESTIFY HERE

52:24HOW TECH COMPANIES LIKE UBER,

52:28LYFT, THEY STEAL OUR WAGES. NOW

52:30HERE, I'M TESTIFYING THAT, YOU

52:32KNOW, TECH COMPAES STEAL OUR

52:34JOBS. WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SCARY.

52:38YOU KNOW, IF I TALK ABOUT, YOU

52:42KNOW, HOW I JUST HELP, YOU KNOW,

52:45WHEN I'M DRIVING UBER OR LYFT,

52:47THE ELDERLY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW,

52:57TAKING THEIR LUGGE, WHICH IS

52:59VERY HEAVY. LIFTING UP.

53:02SOMETIMES I JUST HELP ELDERLY

53:04PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, EVEN TAKING

53:05THEM TO THE STAIRS. YOU KNOW.

53:10WHICH AUTOMATIC CARS CANNOT DO.

53:11ALSO, WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU

53:15KNOW, THE BLIND PEOPLE WITH THE

53:20DOG. EVERYBODY KNO IF YOU'RE A

53:22DRIVER, YOU LOSE AUTOMATICALLY

53:24YOUR JOB. IF YOU CANCEL OR IF

53:26YOU DON'T PICK UP. SO THAT MEANS

53:29I DON' THINK THAT EXISTS

53:30ANYMORE. SO I DON'T THINK, YOU

53:33KNOW, DRIVERS KNOW THAT IF THEY

53:35VIOLATE THAT, THEY WILL LOSE

53:36THEIR JOB IMMEDIATELY. THERE'S

53:39NO TOLERANCE FOR THAT. SO I'M J

53:51U SO MUCH.

53:52>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WILL

53:53READ OFFHE NT FEW SPEAKERS

53:56THAT WE HAVE SIGNED UP. SPEAKER

54:0321 -- SPEAKER 22, SPEAKER 23,

54:05JEFF WHITMAN. WE'LL GO TO

54:09SPEAKER 21, ABDI RAMAN. IS ABDI

54:16MAN HERE IN THE CHAMBERS OR

54:18OUT IN THE OVERFLOW? IF THEY

54:19COME BACK, WE WILL CALL ON THEM.

54:24WEL GO TO SPEAKER 22, BEN

54:26SHERMOCK.

54:30>> THANK YOU, CHAIRWOMAN, AND TO

54:32THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, MY

54:33NAME IS BEN SHERMOCK AND I'M A

54:35RESIDENT OF WARD 3. I COME HERE

54:39IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.

54:41AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES HAVE PROVEN

54:42THEMSELVES TO BE ILL-EQUIPPED TO

54:47NAVIGATE CONSTRUCTION ZONES,

54:49SNOW. THEY ALSO POSE A SAFETY

54:51RISK. I THINK IT ALLOWS ROOM FOR

54:54JOB CRTION IN ADDITION TO THE

54:56ALREADY EXISTING UBER AND LYFT

54:58JOBS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

55:00THANK YOU.

55:02>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL GO

55:02BACK TO SPEAKER NUMBER 21, ABDI

55:07RAMAN. THEY'RE HE OR OUT IN

55:08THE CHAMBERS. OKAY. SPEAKER

55:11NUMBER 23, AND THIS IS OUR LAST

55:13SIGNED UP SPEAKER, JEFF WHITMAN.

55:18>> HI. I'M JEFF WHITMAN. I'M A

55:22LONG TIME MINNEAPOLIS RESIDENT.

55:24I'M NOT PAID TO BE HERE BY

55:26ANYONE. I DON'T HAVE ANY

55:28FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS

55:30CONVERSATION. ALL I'D SAY IS I'M

55:32A FREQUENT USER OF THE EXISTING

55:33TRANSIT SYSTEM, INCLUDING A

55:35HEAVY USER OF UBER. I USE UBER

55:38QUITE FREQUENTLY. AND WHAT I'D

55:41ASK IS PLEASE DON'T ARTIFICIALLY

55:43LIMIT MY OPTIONS. IT'S GREAT

55:44THAT WE HAVE A GREAT BUS

55:47SERVICE. IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE

55:49EXPANDING LIGHT RAIL. IT'S GOOD

55:50THAT WE HAVE UBER AND LYFT. I

55:55APPRECIATE AS A RESIDENT. WHAT I

55:58DON'T APPRECIATE IS THE CITY

55:59COUNCIL GETTING INVOLVED TO

56:01LIMIT MY OPTIO GOING FORWARD.

56:04I'VE TRAVELED EXTENSIVELY WITH

56:05MY JOB. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY T

56:08SAN FRANCISCO. IT WAS A SEAMLESS

56:11EXRIENCE AND IT FELT QUITE

56:12SAFE. ALL I'D SAY IS MORE

56:14OPTIONS ARE ALWAYS BETTER. IF

56:16PEOPLE AREN'T COMFORTABLE IN

56:18AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE, GREAT, THEN

56:19WE SLL HAVE UBER. AND I THINK

56:22THEY'RECOMPLEMENTARY. WHEN I'M

56:25IN SAN FRANCISCO, I FREQUENTLY

56:26UBER.

56:27BUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I TAK

56:30ADVANCED AT THIS POINT. THE

56:31EXPERIENCE IS GREAT. SO AS A

56:34RESIDENT, PLEASE DON'T LIMIT MY

56:36OPTIONS. GIVE ME MORE OPTIONS

56:37AND LET ME CHOOSE WHAT'S BEST

56:39FOR ME. THAT'S ALL I WOULD ASK

56:40OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

56:43>> THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO CALL

56:46THE COUPLE OF SPEAKERS WHO WERE

56:49SIGNED UP BUT DIDN'T COME UP TO

56:51SPEAK YET. WE HAD SPEAKER3,

56:54GAVIN CHEBOR. WE HAD SPEAKER 21,

56:57ABDI RAMAN. HELLO.

57:03>> HI. MY NAME IS GAVIN CHEBOR.

57:06I'M A RESIDENT OF MINNEAPOLIS.

57:10AND I'VE DONE MY FAIRHARE OF

57:11RIDESHARE. AND I THINK THIS BILL

57:15SHOULD NOT BE PASSED BECAUSE IT

57:19ISNLY SERVING THE INTEREST OF

57:21THE EXISTING RIDESHARE SEICES.

57:24AND I THINK A LOT OF, YOU KNOW,

57:27HAVING OER OPTIONS IS NOT ONLY

57:33GREAT FOR THE CITY PASSENGERS

57:35BUT ALSO DRIVERS. BECAUSE RIGHT

57:39NOW CRENTLY THE EXISTING

57:42PLATFORMS CAN BAN DRIVERS FOR

57:44ANY REASON, WHI IS NOT THE

57:45GREATEST.HANK YOU.

57:50>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.

57:52NEXT, WE HAVE SPEAKER NUMBER 21,

57:59ABDI RAMAN.

58:03>> HI. MY NAME IS DELLMER ABDI

58:09RAMAN. AND I AM DRIVER FOR UBER,

58:12LYFT. MY BROTHER I NEED TO HELP.

58:20HE HELP ME.

58:21>> OKAY.

58:22>> I WILL TRANSLATE FOR HIM.

58:23>> OKAY. GREAT. SO WE'LL ADD SO

58:29>> ( SPEAKING NATIVE LANGUAGE )

58:34>> MY NAME IS ABDI RAMAN. I'M

58:38RIDESHARE DRIVER.

58:42>> ( SPEAKING NATIVE LANGUAGE )

59:02>> FOR LATELY, PEOPLE BEEN

59:05TALKING ABOUT THE AUTOMATED

59:08CARS, SELF-DRIVING CARS. AS WE

59:13KNOW IN OUR STATE HOW THE

59:15WEATHER IS AND HOW WE HAVE TWO

59:18SEASONS THAT THIS STA IS NOT

59:19LIKE ANY OTHER STATE LIKE

59:23CALIFORNIA OR OTHERS WITH

59:27SUNSHINE.

59:27>> ( SPEAKING NATIVE LANGUAGE )

59:41>> AS A DRIVER IS WHEN IT GETS

59:44SNOW, IT'S VERY HARD TO EVEN

59:46CONTROL THE CARD. AND IMAGINE

59:50CARS THAT IS SELF-DRIVING CAN DO

59:53BETTER THAN OURSELVES. WE WILL

59:54NOT TRUST OUR KIDS, OUR FAMILIES

59:56WITH THIS KIND OF SYSTEMS AND

59:58WITH THIS KIND OF CONDITIONS IN

1:00:00OUR STATE.

1:00:03>> ( SPEAKING NATIVE LANGUAGE )

1:00:19>> AND THESE SELF-DRIVING CARS

1:00:24HAVE VERY SENSORS AND VERY HARD

1:00:27WHEN WINTER COMES, THOSE SENSORS

1:00:31WILL NOT BE CAPABLE TO MANAGE OR

1:00:33KNOW WHAT THE SURROUNDING,

1:00:34WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THEM.

1:00:37>> ( SPEAKING NATIVE LANGUAGE )

1:00:49>> AND AS WITH ALL YOUR RESPECT,

1:00:51YOU KNOW, KNOW THAT THIS IS A

1:00:56BIG DECISION AND THESE

1:00:57SELF-DRIVING CARS ARE NOT

1:00:59SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BRING IN

1:00:59TO OUR STATE.

1:01:03>> ( SPEAKING NATIVE LANGUAGE )

1:01:15>> THE DAMAGE, YOU KNOW, DRIVE

1:01:18COD BRING IN THE DAMAGE THAT

1:01:20SELF-DRIVING CARS, IF YOU PUT IT

1:01:21TOGETHER, THE SELF-DRIVING CARS

1:01:23WOULD BE EVEN WAY HIGHER.

1:01:27>> ( SPEAKING NATIVE LANGUAGE )

1:01:44>> AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND

1:01:46WE REALLY WANT YOU TO SUPPORT

1:01:47THIS BILL. AND WE AS THE

1:01:49DRIVERS, WE ALSO SUPPORT THIS

1:01:50BILL. AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD

1:01:53FOR THAT 30 SECONDS SOMETHING.

1:01:54WE AS THE DRIVERS, WE DEFINITELY

1:01:59SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY. IT

1:02:01DOEST MATTER IF THEY ARE

1:02:03PEOPLE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS. WE

1:02:05KNOW AND I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT

1:02:09OPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT

1:02:10DRIVERS CANCELLING ON THEM. THAT

1:02:11IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE

1:02:12AGAINST. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT

1:02:13WEILL NOT ALLOW. IF THERE

1:02:15NEEDS TO BE TRAINING, THOSE

1:02:17DRIVERS NEED TO TRAINED

1:02:19BETTER TO BE BETTER

1:02:19PROFESSIONALS. EVERYBODY HAVE

1:02:23THE RIGHT TO GET SERVICE WITH

1:02:25THIS KIND OF RIGHTS AND THE

1:02:26BUSISS THAT WE DO, WE RESPECT

1:02:28THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPECIAL

1:02:29NEEDS.

1:02:31>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THOSE

1:02:34OF ALL OF OUR SIGNED UP

1:02:36SPEAKERS. IS THERE ANYONE THAT

1:02:37WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THAT DID NOT

1:02:38SIGN UP OR WOULD LIKEO SPEAK

1:02:39AT THIS TIME? OKAY. I'LL ASK ONE

1:02:43MORE TIME. I'M GETTING A NOTE

1:02:46FROM THE CLERK THAT THERE IS ONE

1:02:47MORE SIGNED PERSON. THANK

1:02:58YOU, AMBER. SO NEXT, WE HAVE OUR

1:03:04FINAL SPEAKER. I BELIEVE THE

1:03:09NAMES -- IT'S EITHER MARLICE

1:03:14OR MARVICE WASHINGTON.

1:03:19>> HI. MY NAME IS MARDIC

1:03:23WASHINGTON MANY I'M AN UBER AND

1:03:26LYFT DRIVER. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR

1:03:2812 YEARS. I CAME BECAUSE I DON'T

1:03:29WANT US TO BE LEFT BEHIND. I

1:03:33WANT US TO GO FORWARD WITH

1:03:35INNOVATION, TO BE DRIVERS, TO

1:03:37HELP MOVE US ALONG WITH THIS

1:03:38THING. BECAUSE WE'RE MINNESOTA

1:03:43DRIVERS. AND THINK WE IMPACT

1:03:45THE CITY. AND FOR US NOT TO BE

1:03:48WORKING, THAT WOULD IMPACT THE

1:03:48CITY. YES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO

1:03:51SAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO

1:03:54ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD WISH TO

1:03:55SPEAK THAT HAS NOT GOTTEN THE

1:03:57OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE I

1:03:58CLOSE OUR PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY.

1:04:03SEEING NO ONE ELSE WISHING TO

1:04:04SPEAK, WILL NOW CLOSE THIS

1:04:06PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU.

1:04:11SORRY. IF YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN,

1:04:13YOU GET TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK. SO

1:04:16SEEING NO ONE ELSE WISHING TO

1:04:18SPEAK, I WILL NOW CLOSE THIS

1:04:21HEING. AND WE WILL MOVE TO OUR

1:04:24DISCUSSION. THANK YOU, EVERYONE,

1:04:25THAT CAME TO OUR CHAMBERS TO

1:04:27TESTIFY TODAY AND TAKE TIME OUT

1:04:29OF YOUR WORK DAY. WE'LL GO TO

1:04:30COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY FIRST.

1:04:34>> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHOWDHURY.

1:04:37FIRST, ON BEHALF OF THE

1:04:39CO-AUTHORS, I WANT TO JUST ECHO

1:04:41GRATITUDE FOR EVERYONE COMING

1:04:43DOWN TO TESTIFY IN THE MIDDLE OF

1:04:45A WORK DAY TO SHARE EITHER YOUR

1:04:47SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OR

1:04:48CONCERNS AROUND THIS ORDINANCE.

1:04:49ALSO, TO THOSE WHO ALSO SHOWED

1:04:51UP LAST WK AS WELL. I ALSO

1:04:54WANT TO MOVE SUBSTITUTE LANGUAGT

1:04:58YOU DO SEE IN FRONT OF YOU. THIS

1:05:00IS A PACKAGE OF TECHNICAL

1:05:01AMENDMENTS THAT ALSO AIM TO

1:05:03STRENGTHEN THE EXISTING LANGUAG

1:05:05THOSE TWO ADJUSTMENTS RELATE TO

1:05:08THE FIRST CHANGE WHICH SHOWS

1:05:11THAT AT ANY TIME THE LANGUAGE

1:05:12REFERS TO WORKERS WHO ARE

1:05:15EMPLOYED OR RETAINED B

1:05:17AUTONOMOUS TRANSPORTATION

1:05:20NETWORK COMPANY TO EMPLOY

1:05:21CONTRACTED OR RETAIN BY

1:05:22AUTONOMOUS TRANSPORTATION

1:05:23NETWORK COMPANY. SO ESSENTIALLY,

1:05:26IN ADDITION TO RETAIN, ALSO

1:05:29CONTRACTED. RETAIN BROLY

1:05:31INCLUDES CONTRACTING, BUT WE

1:05:32WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS

1:05:34CHANGE WAS MORE SO EXPLICITLY

1:05:37STATED IN TERMS OF THE INCLUSION

1:05:39OF CONTRACTING AFTER HEARING

1:05:41FROM WORKERS THAT THEY WANTED TO

1:05:43KE SURE THAT THOSE WHO ARE

1:05:45INDEPENDENT CONTRACTS WILL BE

1:05:47COVERED BY THIORDINANCE. THE

1:05:48SECOND CHANGE IS TO CHANGE ALL

1:05:52EMPHASIS OF HUMAN MONITOR TO

1:05:53HUMAN SAFETY MONITOR. AGAIN,

1:05:55THIS IS BETR IN ALIGNMENT WITH

1:05:57LANGUAGE THAT WAS PROPOSED VIA

1:05:59THE STATE LEGISLATION THAT WAS

1:06:02DISCUSSED AND DELIBERATED JUST

1:06:04THIS PAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

1:06:05IT ALSO INCLUDES THE PURPOSE OF

1:06:07THE MONITOR, WHICH IS TO PROTECT

1:06:09PUBLIC SAFETY AS PART OF THE

1:06:11TITLE. SO AGAIN, I JUST WANTED

1:06:17TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT FOR THE

1:06:20TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS BROUGHT

1:06:21FOARD IN COLLABORATION WITH

1:06:23STAKEHOLDERS. AND I WILL MOVE

1:06:24THESE ITEMS FORPPROVAL AND ASK

1:06:26FOR A SECOND.

1:06:27>> SECOND.

1:06:27>> THANK YOU.

1:06:30>> THANK YOU. THAT HAS BEEN

1:06:31MOVED AND SECONDED. AND IS

1:06:33BEFORE US. I WILL NEXT GO TO

1:06:40COCIL MEMBER STEVENSON.

1:06:40>> THANK YOU. I'M EXCITED TO

1:06:41TALK ME ABOUT THIS AND VOTE ON

1:06:44THIS ON THURSDAY. BUT COUNCIL

1:06:47MEMBER WONSLEY, YOU SAID THAT I

1:06:48WAS AN AUTHOR ON THIS, I AM NOT

1:06:53AN AUTHOR ON THIS. BUT IL TAKE

1:06:55THIS AS AN INVITATION. CAN I BE

1:06:59AN AUTHOR ON THIS? THANK YOU.

1:07:01>> I HAVE MYSELF NEXT IN QUEUE.

1:07:05I THINK THE THINGS THAT WE

1:07:07REALLY SHOULD BE CONSIDERING AND

1:07:08WHY I THINK THAT THIS ORDINANCE

1:07:11IS IMPORTANT IS FIRST, W DON'T

1:07:13HAVE ANY REGULATIONS THAT ARE

1:07:16SET IN PLACE. AND I THINK THERE

1:07:19IS KIND OF A GLOBAL WOR AMONG

1:07:22STATE LEGISLATORS WHO HAVE BEEN

1:07:23WORKING ON THIS ISSUE THAT WANT

1:07:26TO REGULATE WAYMO AND COUNCIL

1:07:29MEMBERS UP HERE THAT THE SAM

1:07:29THING THAT HAPPENED WITH UBER

1:07:31AND LYFT WILL HAPPEN WITH WAYMO

1:07:33WHERE THEY WILL JUST SRT

1:07:35WORKING WITHOUT LICENSING. AND

1:07:37FOR ME, I THINKT IS WISE FOR

1:07:40US TO SET FORWARD THIS TYPE OF

1:07:43REGULATION WHILE WE DON'T HAVE

1:07:44ANY STATE FRAMEWORK. THE

1:07:47CONVERSATIONS AT THE STATE

1:07:49LEGISLATURE REALLY WERE A A

1:07:53STANDSTILL LARGELY BECAUSE OF

1:07:54THE TIE THAT THE HAD AT THE

1:07:56HOUSE. BUT ALSO NEEDING TO HAVE

1:07:58THE TIME AND THE CONVERSATIONS

1:08:01ABOUT THIS INDUSTRY, AND THIS

1:08:04ORDINANCE I THINK SETS AN

1:08:05IMPORTANT TIMELINE FOR US TO

1:08:09HAVE UNTIL OCTOBER 2027 FOR IT

1:08:11TO GO INTO EFFECT. THETHER

1:08:13THING THAT I WOULD JUST KIND OF

1:08:16BRING FWARD INTO THE

1:08:19CONVERSATION IS THE FACT THAT

1:08:20WHEN IT COMES TO WAYMOs, HOW DO

1:08:24YOU PULL OVER A WAYMO IF THERE'S

1:08:26A TRAFFIC VIOLATION? I THINK

1:08:28THAT'S A REAL ISSUE FOR LOCAL

1:08:31GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER. RIGHT

1:08:34NOW IF THERE'S TRAFFIC

1:08:36VIOLATIONS, AT LEAST THERE ARE

1:08:39WAYS FOR UBER DRIVER TO BE HELD

1:08:42ACCOUNTABLE BY THE RIDER. THAT'S

1:08:44ONE THING THAT COULD HAPPEN.

1:08:46ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD ALSO

1:08:48BRING FORWARD THAT OTHER CITIES

1:08:49HAVE STRUGGLED WITH IS 911

1:08:52DISPATCHERS HAVING TO DO WAYMO

1:08:59SUPPORTHEN THERE ARE ACCIDENTS

1:09:00AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE EITHER

1:09:02PULLED INTO -- I'VE SEEN A VIDEO

1:09:04OF SOMEONE BEING PULLED INTO

1:09:07LIGHT RAIL TRACKS. I'VE SEEN

1:09:08VIDEOS OF WAYMOS NOT BEING ABLE

1:09:11TO SAFELY NAVIGATE CONSTRUCTION.

1:09:13DO WE WANT OUR PUBLIC SERVICES

1:09:14TO BE USED FOR THAT? AND THEN,

1:09:17I'LL ALSO SAY THAT WAYMO AS AN

1:09:19INDUSTRY AND ALSO THE AV

1:09:23COMPANIES AND CORPORATIONS THAT

1:09:24EXIST HAVEN'T SAID THAT THERE IS

1:09:26A REAL PLAN FOR THE WORKFORCE

1:09:29THAT WILL BE DISPLACED. THEY

1:09:33HAVE ONLY AFFIRMED THE FACT

1:09:35THAT, OH, IF THERE IS WORKER

1:09:37DISPLACEMENT, THERE WILL BE A

1:09:38PATH FORWARD. THEY HAVE SAID

1:09:40THAT THERE WILL BE WORKER

1:09:43DISPLACEMENT. AND UBER AND LYFT

1:09:45DRIVERS IN ATLANTA AND IN

1:09:47AUSTIN, HAVE REPORTED A DECLINE

1:09:49IN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT

1:09:51THEY'RE MAKING. A DECLINE IN

1:09:53THEIR RIDES. AND I THINK WE

1:09:54SHOULD TE THIS SERIOUSLY. AND

1:09:58IF ANYTHING, THERE'S CLR

1:09:59EVIDENCE TO SHOW THIS IS

1:10:01UNTESTED AND THERE'S WORK TO BE

1:10:02DONE TO COLLECT AND GATHER CLEAR

1:10:05DATA SO WE CAN SET FORWARD RIGHT

1:10:06REGULATIONS INSTEAD OF TAKING

1:10:08THIS TECH INDUSTRY MANTRA AS A

1:10:10GOVERNMENT MANTRA OF MOVE FAST

1:10:12AND BREAK THINGS. AND WE'RE

1:10:14SEEING THAT RECKONING HAPPENING

1:10:15ACROSS THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. SO

1:10:17I DO THINK THIS IS A PRAGMATIC

1:10:20STEP. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE

1:10:22DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE. AND I'M

1:10:24VERY PROUD TO BE AN AUTHOR OF

1:10:26THIS AND THANKFUL FOR EVERY

1:10:29SINGLE PERSON THAT GAVE THEIR

1:10:30TESTIMONY. I THINK YOUR

1:10:32TESTIMONY IS SOMETHINGHAT

1:10:33SHOULD BE CARRIED FORWARD INTO

1:10:35THE STATE LEGISLATURE'S

1:10:37CONVERSATION. NEXTN QUEUE, WE

1:10:39HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER

1:10:41FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER

1:10:42WARREN.

1:10:42>> YEAH. I JUST BRIEFLY WOULD

1:10:43LIKE TO BRING UP TO THE BODY

1:10:45TODAY SOMETHING THAT I RAISED AT

1:10:47THE BHZ COMMITTEE, AND THAT WAS

1:10:49THE SAME AUTHORS OF THIS

1:10:51ORDINANCE BACK IN JUNE BROUGHT

1:10:53FORWARD A RESOLUTION TO REQUEST

1:10:55STAFF TO BRING FORWARD AND DO

1:10:56SOME RESEARCH, PROSND CONS,

1:10:59AROUND WAYMO. I BELIEVE IT WAS

1:11:03JUNE 11th. AND IT WAS A

1:11:07UNANOUS VOTE THAT YES, WE

1:11:10WOULD LIKE TO HAVE STAFF SPEND

1:11:12PRECIOUS TIME INVESTIGATING THIS

1:11:15ISSUE. THE REPORT HAS NOT BEEN

1:11:16GIVEN TO THIS BODY. THE REPORT

1:11:18WAS SCHEDULED TO BE GIVEN I

1:11:20BELIEVE EITHER THIS FIRST WEEK

1:11:22OF OCTOBER OR THE SOND WEEK.

1:11:25OCTOBER 7TH IS RINGING IN MY

1:11:27HEAD. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S

1:11:28ACCURATE. BUT WE'RE ABOUT ONE TO

1:11:30TWO WEEKS PASSING SOME IMPORTANT

1:11:32DINANCES AROUND NEW TECHNOLOGY

1:11:34THAT MANY CITIES ARE ALREADY

1:11:37WORKING BEFORE WE HAVE THE

1:11:39DATA FROM STAFF ABOUT THE PROS

1:11:39AND CONS. AND SO MYSELF, AS A

1:11:45COUNCIL MEMBER, PCESS IS

1:11:46REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. AND I

1:11:49ASK MY COLLEAGUES DO WE BELIEVE

1:11:51IN GOOD PROCESS? AND IF WE DO

1:11:53BELIEVE INOOD PROCESS, WHY ARE

1:11:55WE BRINGING FORWARD THIS

1:11:56ORDINANCE BEFORE WE HAVE THE

1:11:57STAFF REPORT THAT WE ASKED FOR

1:11:59BACK IN JUNE? I'VE HEARD SOME OF

1:12:04THE AUTHORS SAY DIRECTLY, THERE

1:12:06IS NO RUSH ON THIS. THIS WILL

1:12:09NOT BE IMPLEMENTED UNTIL

1:12:09OCTOBER 2027. AGAIN, MY QUESTION

1:12:13IS WHY ARE WE VOTING ON THISOW

1:12:15THEN BEFORE WE HAVE THE REPORT?

1:12:19SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP IN

1:12:21LIGHT OF THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS

1:12:23FOR MY COLLEAGUES TO THINK ABOUT

1:12:24THAT. I WILL, AGAIN, YOU KNOW,

1:12:26SUGGEST OR GIVE THE AUTHORS THE

1:12:29OPPORTUNITY TO DELAY THIS VOTE

1:12:30UNTIL AFTER THAT. THAT WAS

1:12:32DENI AT THE BHZ COMMITTEE WHEN

1:12:35I SUGGESTED THAT. IRREGARDLESS

1:12:37OF WHERE WE STAND ON THIS ISSUE,

1:12:39I THINK ALL OF US PROBABLYNOW

1:12:41HOW WE WILL VOTE THIS DAY. BUT

1:12:45TOE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I AM

1:12:47TRYING TO BRING THIS BODY

1:12:49FORWARD TO BETTER PROCESS EVERY

1:12:52SINGLE DAY. EVERY SINGLE

1:12:53MEETING. AND I'M GOING TO BRING

1:12:56THIS UP INTO ANOTHER POINT THAT

1:13:00WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA TODAY. BUT

1:13:01WHEN WE TAKE ACTION, WHEN WE

1:13:03HAVE COMMITTED STAFF TIME AND

1:13:05RESOURCES TO RESEARCH SOMETHING

1:13:06BUT MOVE AHEAD WITUT GETTING

1:13:08THAT RESEARCH, MAKES US LOOK

1:13:11KE WE'RE TRYING TO DO

1:13:14SOMETHING OTHER THAN BE

1:13:15TRANSPARENT. AND SO THIS IS A

1:13:18CHALLENGE TO MY COLLEAGUES AND

1:13:19AN OFFER, AGAIN, TO MAKE A

1:13:21MOTION TO DELAY IF WE BELONG --

1:13:23I MEAN, IF WE AGREE ON GOOD

1:13:25PROCESS. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE

1:13:26THOSE COMMENTS AND STOP THERE

1:13:27FOR TODAY. BUT I JUST WANTED TO

1:13:31RAISE THAT AGAIN TO THE BROADER

1:13:33BODY TODAY AS I DID IN THE BHZ

1:13:35COMMITTEE. THANKS.

1:13:37>> THANK YOU. NEXT IS COUNCIL

1:13:38MEMBER WARREN.

1:13:40>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. AND THANK

1:13:43YOU FOTHAT, COUNCIL MEMBER

1:13:43SHAFFER. BECAUSE THAT'S TRUE. WE

1:13:48REALLY SHOULD GET THE

1:13:51INFORMATION THAT IS NEEDED AND

1:13:53DO THE DEEPER DIVE AND RESEARCH

1:13:56AROUND THIS SO THAT PEOPL CAN

1:13:58MAKE WELL-EDUCATED AND

1:14:02WELL-INFORMED DECISIONS. I SAID

1:14:05THIS AT OUR BHZ COMMITTEE

1:14:07MEETING. I AM ALSO CONCERNED

1:14:10ABOUT ENSURING THAT OUR DISABLED

1:14:15COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE ABLE TO

1:14:17HAVE THEIR NEEDS MET. I SUPPORT

1:14:19UBER AND LYFT. I KNOW THAT THERE

1:14:23A LOT OF AMAZE

1:14:27UBER AND LYFT DRIVERS DO FOR A

1:14:29LOT OF OUR DISABLED COMMUNITY

1:14:30MEMBERS, RIDESHARES THROUGH

1:14:35MEDICAID AND MEDICARE AND HEALTH

1:14:36CAREIDES AND GETTING PEOPLE TO

1:14:38AND FROM AND WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT

1:14:41I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PEOPLE

1:14:42ALSO LEFT BEHIND IN THAT PROCESS

1:14:44BECAUS NO SYSTEM, NO PROGRAM,

1:14:48NO JOB, NO ANYTHING IS

1:14:51FULL-PROOF. IT'S NOT FAIL-SAFE.

1:14:53IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, GUARANTEED

1:14:55AND PROMISED TO ABSOLUTELY

1:15:00ANYONE. SO GIVE PEOPLE CHOICE.

1:15:02GIVE PEOPLE THE CHOICE. THAT IS

1:15:04NOT GOING TO TAKE AWAY ANYTHING

1:15:06FROM ANYONE. THERE ARE LOTS OF

1:15:08PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HAVE SOMEONE

1:15:10DRIVING A CAR. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE

1:15:13DRIVING A CAR THAT CAN'T

1:15:15PROPERLY NAVIGATE CONSTRUCTION.

1:15:15RIGHT? I'VE SEEN PEOPLE DRIVING

1:15:19A CAR THAT GO INTO TRAINS. I

1:15:23MEAN, HELLO, SAINT PAUL

1:15:24UNIVERSITY AVENUE. OKAY. I HAVE

1:15:26SEEN PEOPLE DRIVING CARS THAT

1:15:28HAVE EXPERIENCED ALL KINDS OF

1:15:29ISSUES, YOU KNOW. BUT THEN WE

1:15:34HAVE THESE CARS THAT DON'T HAVE

1:15:35DRIVERS IN THEM. ONE THING I DID

1:15:37SEE, AND I WAS JUST IN NEVADA

1:15:40AND I SAW THIS WITH THESE WAYMO

1:15:46CARS. WE AT AN INTERSECTION AND

1:15:47EVERYONE STOPPED. AND THEY WERE

1:15:49WAITING TO SEE WHAT THIS

1:15:50DRIVERLESS CAR WAS GETTING READY

1:15:52TO DO. YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY?

1:15:54BECAUSE IF YOU HIT A CAR WITH

1:15:55SOMEBODY NOT IN IT, TT MEANS

1:15:57YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG,

1:15:59YOU SHOULD BE PAYING MORE

1:16:01ATTENTION TO THAT THING THAN YOU

1:16:02SHOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TO

1:16:03WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU GOT

1:16:04GOING ON. OKAY. MINNESOTA IS A

1:16:08NO-FAULT STATE. SO GUESS WHAT

1:16:10THAT MEANS, IF YOU HIT THAT CAR

1:16:12YOU DEFINITELY ARE A FAULT

1:16:15BECAUSE IT SURE DIDN'T HIT YOU.

1:16:17YOU GOTTA MAKE CHOICES. I

1:16:19CAUSES YOU TO PAY MORE CLOSE

1:16:21ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING

1:16:22AROUND YOU AND YOUR

1:16:23SURROUNDINGS. I KNOW THAT

1:16:24THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE

1:16:27BEING SAID ABOUT SEXUAL ASSAULT

1:16:28CASES AND PEOPLE HAVING CLAIMS

1:16:31FOR THIS, THA AND THE OTHER.

1:16:33SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE FOR

1:16:35INDIVIDUALS WH HAVE THOSE TYPE

1:16:36OF TRAUMAS TOO. WE HAVE TO ALLOW

1:16:38THEM TO HAVE THE CHOICE. THEY'RE

1:16:39NOTOING TO JUMP OUT AND GET

1:16:43DRIVER'S LICENSES OR CHANGE

1:16:45THEIR WAY OF LIFE. THEY STILL

1:16:48HAVE TO GO PLACES. AND IT MAY

1:16:50MAKE THEM COMFORTABLE TO NOT

1:16:53HAVE SOMEONE BEHIND THE CAR.

1:16:55AGAIN, IT'S CHOICE. IT'S

1:16:56AUTONOMY. IT'S PEOPLE GTING TO

1:16:58SAY THIS IS WHAT WORKS FOR ME

1:16:59THIS DAY. THIS MAY NOT BE WHAT

1:17:01WORKS FOR ME EVERY DAY AND THIS

1:17:03MAY NOT BE WHAT WORKS FOR

1:17:05EVERYBODY, BUT THERE WILL BE WAY

1:17:08MORE CHOICES IF WE UTILIZE

1:17:11SOMETHING AND LET PEOPLE MAKE IT

1:17:12FOR THEMSELVES. LET ME FIGURE IT

1:17:15OUT. YOU GOTTA LET PEOPLE FIGURE

1:17:16IT OUT. JUST BECAUSE I DON'T

1:17:18LIKE PEANUT BUTTER AND JELLY

1:17:22SANDWICHES DOESN'T MEAN I

1:17:23GOING TO PUT AN ORDINANCE OUT

1:17:25THERE THAT SAYS NOBODY SHOULD

1:17:28EAT PEANUT BUTTER AND JELLY

1:17:32SANDWICHES. LET PEOPLE CHOOSE

1:17:35WHATEVER IN THE SAM SMITH IT IS

1:17:37THAT THEY WANT TO CHOOSE. OKAY.

1:17:40IF THEY WANT SOMEBODY DRIVING,

1:17:42IF THEY DON'T WANT SOMEBODY

1:17:44DRIVING, IF THEY WANT THREE

1:17:46PEOPLE ON THE FRONT OF THE CAR,

1:17:47LET THEM FIGURET OUT. WE USED

1:17:50TO HAVE 333-3333, YOU CAN CALL A

1:17:56CAB. IAS IN VEGAS, YOU CAN SEE

1:18:00PHYSICAL CA.

1:18:01CALL A NUMBER. THEY'LL TALK TO

1:18:03YOU. CHARGE YOU LOTS AMOUNTS OF

1:18:05MONEY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO IDEA

1:18:06WHERE THEY'RE GOING. OR YOU CAN

1:18:09USE THE UBER LYFT PEOPLE WHO

1:18:11FOLLOW A MAP. SOMETIMES THEY

1:18:13DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING

1:18:14BUT YOU'LL GET THERE AND THEY'LL

1:18:15TALK TO YOU. AND YOU CAN USE THE

1:18:18WAYMO. YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY

1:18:20THEY MAY GO OR MAY NOT GO. JUST

1:18:22GET IN. TRUST YOURSELF. TRUST

1:18:23YOUR PROCESS. DO WHAT WORKS FOR

1:18:25YOU. AGAIN, THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY

1:18:29TO AT. BUT DON'T MAKE PEOPLE

1:18:34JUST BE AFFIXATED TO ONE

1:18:40PERSON'S IDEOLOGY. YOUR WAY IS

1:18:42NOT THE ONLY WAY. THERE'S WAY

1:18:44MORE WAYS THAN THE WAYS THAT YOU

1:18:46GOT. SO LET GO WITH THOSE

1:18:47WAYS. THE END.

1:18:48>> NEXT, WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER

1:18:50PALMISANO FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL

1:18:51MEMBER CHAVEZ.

1:18:53>> I HAVE NO ARTFUL WORDS TO

1:18:58FOLLOW COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN.

1:19:00BUT THIS FEELS MOR ABOUT SAVING

1:19:03A PARTICULAR JOB RATHER THAN AN

1:19:04AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE REGULATION

1:19:05FOR OUR WHOLE CITY. I DON'T SEE

1:19:08IT AS LOCAL GOVERNNT'S PLACE

1:19:10TO SAFEGUARD A TYPE OF JOB. I

1:19:12DO, HOWEVER, THINK IT IS OUR

1:19:14PLACE TO TALK ABOUT THE

1:19:16REGULATIONS OF HOW A NEW

1:19:17BUSINESS TYPE WOULD OPERA IN

1:19:18OUR CITY. I DON'T AGREE WITH THE

1:19:21ORDER OF OPERATIONS HERE DOING

1:19:24THIS ORDINANCE PRIOR TO SETTING

1:19:27REGULATIONS FOR ENABLEMENT. THIS

1:19:29ORDINANCE FEELS LIKE A REAL

1:19:31DEPARTURE FROM THE WAY THAT OUR

1:19:33CITY ORIGINALLY TRANSITIONED

1:19:34FROM TAXI REGULATION AND

1:19:39MEDALLIONS TO TRANSIT COMPANIES

1:19:40LIKE UBER AND LYFT. THAT

1:19:42HAPPENED DURING MY TIME HERE ON

1:19:45THIS DAIS. WE BEGAN THAT WORK

1:19:50KNOWING THESE COMPANIES WERE

1:19:51COMING. ANDE WORKED NOT TO

1:19:53PROHIBIT THEM, BUT TO SEE HOW

1:19:55THEY WOULD BE AS SAFE AS

1:19:57POSSIBLE WITH REGULATIONS. I

1:19:58FEEL THIS ORDINANCE SHOULD HAVE

1:20:00SOME OF THE SAME GOALS AROUND

1:20:03THINGS LIKE REMOVING CUSTOMERS

1:20:05THAT AREN'T ABLE TO ADHERE TO

1:20:08RULES THE SAME WAY THAT IN THE

1:20:12TNC ORDINANCE WE WORK TO REMOVE

1:20:16DRIVERS OR CUSTOMERSHAT

1:20:18WEREN'T OPERATING ACCORDING TO

1:20:23SAFETY RULES. HOW BEST TO --

1:20:26FAIR TREATMENT AS CUSTOMERS. AND

1:20:27THE LOGISTICS AROUND PICK-UP

1:20:31ZONES FOR TNC LICENSES. DROP

1:20:34OFFS WERE A BIG DEAL. IT'S WITH

1:20:38THAT TYPE OF LENS THAT WE SHOULD

1:20:40APPROACH AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES. AS

1:20:42ONE SPEAKER APTLYSAID, DON'T

1:20:44LIMIT MY OPTIONS. WE WORK HARD

1:20:47TO INCREASEPTIONS AROUND HERE.

1:20:50I HOPE WE INSTILL SAFEGUARDS,

1:20:53HOW THEY OPERATE IN CONSTRUCTION

1:20:55ZONES, HOW THEY MOVE WHEN

1:20:56EMERGENCY VEHICLES ARE IMMINENT.

1:20:58HOW THEY EQUITABLY ACCEPT ALL

1:21:01PASSENGERS. OUR CITY IS

1:21:02DIFFERENT THAN DENVER IN THE

1:21:03MIDDLE OF THE WINTER. THERE

1:21:04MORE ICE PACK SOMETIMES ON THE

1:21:07ROADWAYS. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND

1:21:11HOW AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES WILL

1:21:13OPERATOR PULL OVER AND STOP

1:21:14OPERATING IN THINGS LIKE HEAVY

1:21:17SNOW. AND WHATAPPENS IF ONE

1:21:20GETS STUCK IN THE SNOW OR CAN'T

1:21:22MOVE ON ICE? SOME OF THE THINGS

1:21:24I THINK ARE GETTING LOST INHE

1:21:27DISCUSSION ARE THE SAFETY OF

1:21:29VEHICLES DRIVEN BY HUMANS VERSUS

1:21:35TECHNOLOGY. -- HUMAN DRIVERS

1:21:36MAKE FAR MORE MISTAKES THAT END

1:21:38INERIOUS INJURY OR IN DEATH

1:21:40THAN AN AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE. AND

1:21:42I'VE HEARD FROM MANY RESIDENTS,

1:21:43BOTH MALE AND FEMALE, WHO WANT

1:21:46AN AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE RATR

1:21:47THAN A HUMAN DRIVER. THEY FEEL

1:21:50PERSONALLY UNSAFE OR THEY SIMPLY

1:21:51WANT THAT OPTION. AND I BELIEVE

1:21:57BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK THAT

1:22:00AUTONOMOUS VEHICS WILL PUT T

1:22:01AND Cs OUT OF BUSINESS. THERE

1:22:03ARE PEOPLE WHO PREFER ONE OVER

1:22:05THE OTHER. AS A FEW OF THE

1:22:07SPEAKERS SAID EARLIER, BOTH

1:22:08OPTIONS CAN EXIST AT THE SAME

1:22:10TIME, AND POTENTIALLY, EVEN

1:22:11EXPAND THE MARKET. I DON'T SEE

1:22:13IT AS OUR PLACE TO GET IN THE

1:22:15WAY OF PROGRESS. ENABLING

1:22:18AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES WILL EXPAND

1:22:18THE TRANSIT OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO

1:22:19US. IT IS OUR PLACE TO MAKE SURE

1:22:24IT'S DONE WITH THOUGHTFUL

1:22:25PLANNING. AND I'M READY TO DO

1:22:26THAT WORK SHOULD THIS BODY AGREE

1:22:28TO DO SO. AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL

1:22:30MEMBER SHAFFER, FOR REMINDING US

1:22:32THAT RESEARCH ON THIS WORK IS

1:22:35COMING SOON.

1:22:36>> NEXT IS COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ

1:22:39FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER

1:22:40VETAW.

1:22:41>> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHOWDHUR I

1:22:43JUST WANT TO CENTER THIS

1:22:46CONVERSATION ON THE IMPACT THAT

1:22:48OPERATION METRO SURGE, THE

1:22:49OCCUPATION OF OUR CITY HAD ON

1:22:50OUR COMMUNY. MANY OF THESE

1:22:53DRIVERS WERE OUT THERE ON THE

1:22:55STREETS PROTECTING OUR

1:22:57COMMUNITY. THEY WERE OUT THERE

1:22:59DRIVING OUR COMMUNITY FM POINT

1:23:00A TO POINT B. MANY OF OUR

1:23:02NEIGHBORS WERE ASSISTING THESE

1:23:05DRIVERS, OBSERVING THEIR

1:23:07LOCATIONS, WHISTLING AT ICE WHEN

1:23:08THEY WERE BEING ATTACKED BY

1:23:10FEDERAL AGENTS. AND OUR

1:23:12NEIGHBORS HER IN MINNEAPOLIS

1:23:13REALLY STEPPED UP TO SUPPORT OUR

1:23:15UBER AND LYFT DRIVERS, OUR

1:23:17RIDESHARE DRIVERS. AND WHAT I AM

1:23:19ASKING FOR IS THAT SAME

1:23:20COMMUNITY THAT STOOD UP AGAINST

1:23:22ICE PROTECTING OUR UBER AND LYFT

1:23:24DRIVERS T ALSO SUPPORT OUR CITY

1:23:26COUNCIL GETTING THIS ORDINANCE

1:23:29PASSED AND SIGNED NOT VETOED.

1:23:30BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE SAYING WE

1:23:31WANT TO PROTECT OUR IMMIGRANT

1:23:33NEIGHBORS FROM I AND

1:23:34PROTECTING THEIR JOBS, THIS IS

1:23:36THAT SAME FIGHT.ROTECTING

1:23:38THESE JOBS AND THOSE JOBS THAT

1:23:40ARE ABOUT TO BE LOST WITH THIS

1:23:42NEW INDUSTRY ENTERING THE MARKET

1:23:43HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS. SO I WANT

1:23:46TO CENTER THAT BECAUSE THINK

1:23:47THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. TO

1:23:48THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WERE

1:23:50SAYING LET'S STAND UP TO ICE AND

1:23:52PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORS IMPACTED

1:23:53BY ICE, I HOPE YOU JOIN US IN

1:23:54THE FIGHT T SAY LET'S PROTECT

1:23:57THESE SAME JOBS BECAUSE WHAT ICE

1:23:59DID DURING OPERATION METRO SURGE

1:24:00AND WHAT THEY'RE STILL DOING

1:24:02RIGHT NOW IS MAKING IT VERY

1:24:04FEARFUL FOR PEOPLE TO KEEP THEIR

1:24:06JOBS. INSTEAD OF SOMEONE BEING

1:24:09KIDNAPPED, THIS JOB IS BEING

1:24:10LOST THROUGH THE TECHNOLOGY

1:24:11TOOL. I WANTED TO CENTER THAT

1:24:13CONVERSATION. NOW I WANT US TO

1:24:14TALK ABOUT THE TAXI INDUSTRY

1:24:17BECAUSE THE TAXI INDUSTRY WAS

1:24:19DECIMATED BY UBER AND LYFT,

1:24:21RIDESHARE COMPANIES. AND WHAT

1:24:22MADE IT REALLY DIFFICULT IS THAT

1:24:24THEN UBER AND LYFT BECAME A

1:24:27MONOPOLY. SO WHEN WE WERE ASKING

1:24:28FOR BETTER PROTECTIONS FOR UBER

1:24:33AND LYFT DRIVE AND BETTER

1:24:35PAYMENT FOR UBER AND LYFT

1:24:36DRIVERS, IT WAS DIFFICULT

1:24:37BECAUSE THIS MONOPOLY WAS ABLE

1:24:38TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO PULL OUT

1:24:40OF MINNEAPOLIS, WE'RE GOING TO

1:24:42PULL OUT OF THE STATE OF

1:24:43MINNESOTA AND THEY COULD HOLD

1:24:45THESE DRIVERS IN A REALLY

1:24:46DIFFICULT POSION. NOW WHAT

1:24:47WE'RE GOING TO DO IF WE DON'T

1:24:49PASS THIS ORDINANCE IS WELCOME

1:24:51WITH A BIG RED CARPET THESE

1:24:53AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES THAT ARE

1:24:54THEN GOING TO HAVE MINNEAPOLIS

1:24:56AND THE STATE IN A CHOKEHOLD AS

1:24:59WELL. NOT ONLY ARE THEY GOING TO

1:25:01DISPLACE THOUSANDS OF JOBS, THEY

1:25:03ARE GOING TOUT THE MARKET IN A

1:25:05CHOKE HOLD. AND THEN THEY'RE GO

1:25:09LEAVE MINNEAPOLIS IF THERE'S

1:25:11FEWER REGULATION. ANDHEN

1:25:12MINNEAPOLIS IS GOING TO SAY WE

1:25:14DON'T HAVE OPTIONS. WE HAVE TO

1:25:15START NOW. BECAUSE WHAT THE CITY

1:25:18COUNCIL DID PREVIOUSLY WAS NOT

1:25:21RESPONSIBLE IN REGULATED

1:25:23RIDESHARE AND DECIMATED THE

1:25:25TAXI. WE HAVE TO GET INVOLVED

1:25:28NOW SO WEON'T LOSE THESE JOBS

1:25:30AND THEN LOSE MANY OF OUR

1:25:32NEIGHBORS WHO ARE STRUGGLING

1:25:33ALREADY. SO I JUST WANTED TO

1:25:34START THERE. AND I ALSO WANT TO

1:25:36HAVE A GREAT CONVERSATION ABOUT

1:25:38OPTIONS, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING

1:25:39ABOUT OPTIONS. LET'S TALK ABOUT

1:25:4424/7 BUS LANES ON HENNEPIN

1:25:46ENUE. IT GOT VETOED AND

1:25:48NEGOTIATED DOWN. IF WE'RE

1:25:50TALKING ABOUT OPTIONS, LET'S

1:25:54BUILD -- THERE' ALWAYS A FIGHT

1:25:56ON THE DAIS ABOUT BUILDING MORE

1:25:58OPTIONS FOR TRANSPORTION.

1:25:59LET'S GET MORE TRAFFIC CALMING.

1:26:01LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE OPTIONS.

1:26:03BUT IT DOESN'T FEEL FAIR WHEN

1:26:04WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPTIONS WHEN

1:26:06THOSE SAME OPTIONS ARE ALWAYS

1:26:08BEG VETOED, REJECTED, VOTED

1:26:11DOWN AGAINST. SO THANK YOU.

1:26:13>> NEXT IS COUNCIL MEMBER TAW

1:26:16FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER

1:26:18WONSLEY.

1:26:18>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL

1:26:20MEMBER SHFER, FOR BRINGING UP

1:26:22THE CONVERSATION AROUND THE

1:26:22STAFF REPORT BECAUSE I WAS

1:26:24WAITING ON THAT AL. I HAVE

1:26:27ACTUALLY A LOT OF QUESTIONS

1:26:29ABOUT THE NUMBER OF AUTONOMOUS

1:26:31VEHICLES. BECAUSE ALL THE RESEAW

1:26:35DENVER HAD LESS THAN 30. I SAW

1:26:38ATLANTA HAD LIKE 100 OR LESS.

1:26:41AND SO I'M REALLY TRYING TO GET

1:26:43INFORMATION ON HOW MANY VEHICLES

1:26:45WILL ACTUALL BE ON THE STREETS.

1:26:47IF THERE ARE 10,000 RIDESHARE

1:26:51DRIVERS IN THE TWIN CITIES AREA,

1:26:52I'M HAVING A HARD TIME

1:26:58UNDERSTANDING HOW 30 VEHLES

1:26:59ARE GOING TO TAKE ALL OF THESE

1:27:00JOBS AWAY. ALSO, JUST A PERSONAL

1:27:03EXAMPLE, I WAS ON A FAMILY

1:27:05VACATION LAST WEEK. WE WERE AT

1:27:06THE PLACE WHERE THERE WERE

1:27:08AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES. I WON'T

1:27:09NAME NAMES, BUT SOMEONE WAS

1:27:11SCARED T GET IN ONE. SO WE

1:27:15DIDN'T. RIGHT. LIKEEVERYONE'S

1:27:16NOT GOING TO GET IN THAT. THERE

1:27:18WAS THAT VERY SAME PERSON WAS

1:27:21LIKE EITHER WE GET A RENTAL CAR

1:27:23OR WE TAKE RIDESHARE BECAUSE I

1:27:25DON'T WANT TO DO THIS. AND SO I

1:27:28THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE MEAN BY

1:27:31HAVING OPTIONS. THERE ARE PEOPLE

1:27:35WHO GET ON ROLLER COASTERS AND

1:27:37PEOPLE WHO DON'T. THERE ARE

1:27:40OPTIONS FOR REALLY TALL ONES.

1:27:41U CAN GET ON THE MILD THING OR

1:27:42THE WIL THING AT VALLEY FAIR.

1:27:45ERE ARE VERY DIFFERENT OPTIONS

1:27:47FOR THINGS HERE. AND I THINK

1:27:49THAT'S WHAT MY RESIDENTS ARE

1:27:50REACHING OUT ABOUT. I'M NOT

1:27:54HEARING ANYONE SAY I WANT ONE OR

1:27:56THE OTHER. MOST OF THE PEOPLE

1:27:58ARE SAYING I WANT THE OPTION. I

1:28:02WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE

1:28:04RIDESHARE DURING THE DAY IF I

1:28:06WANT TO. BUT IF I DON'T FEEL

1:28:09SAFE ENOUGH AFTER I LEAVE A CB

1:28:10AT NIGHT, I WANT TO CHOOSE AN

1:28:15AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE IF THAT'S MY

1:28:18CHOICE. BUT IF I WANT A DRIVER,

1:28:20I WANT A DRIVER. AND I WILL ALSO

1:28:22SAY A COUPLE OFEEKS AGO, I HAD

1:28:25TWO RIDESHARE RIDES. I TALKED TO

1:28:27BOTH OF MY DRIRS AT THAT TIME.

1:28:29ONE AN EAST AFRICAN WOMAN, ONE

1:28:32AN EAST AFRICAN MAN. ONE OF THE

1:28:34THINGS I LEARNED IN THE RIDE

1:28:36WITH THE WOMAN WAS THAT THERE'S

1:28:38AN OPTION NOW FOR RIDESHARE

1:28:40WHERE YOU CAN SELECT A WOMAN

1:28:42DRIVER IF YOU'RE A WOMAN. I

1:28:45DIDN'T KNOWHAT THAT DAY UNTIL

1:28:46SHE TOLD ME THAT. SHE SAID THERE

1:28:49WERE THESE COMPLAINTS FROM WOMEN

1:28:51OR FROM PEOPLE JUST IN GENERAL

1:28:53ABOUT HOW THEY WERE BEING

1:28:54TREATED. SO THE WOMAN OPTION IS

1:28:56AN OPTION NOW. SHE AGREED WITH

1:28:58THE WAYMO BECAUSE SHE SAID IF MY

1:29:02KIDS COMPLAINED TO ME THAT THEY

1:29:04HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE DRIVER, I

1:29:06WOULD CERTNLY GET THEM A

1:29:08RIDESHARE SERVICE THAT DID NOT

1:29:09HAVE A DRIVER. MY SECOND DRIVER,

1:29:12A MAN WHO HAS DONE THIS FOR A

1:29:14REALLY LONG TIME. HE ALSO SAID

1:29:17BRING ON THE COMPETITION. HE

1:29:18THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR

1:29:20PEOPLE TO SEE, LIKE, IF THEY

1:29:21LIKE IT OR NOT. IF THEY DON'T

1:29:24LIKE IT, THEN THEY MOVE ON FROM

1:29:26WAYMO AND GO BACK TO THEIR

1:29:28REGULAR RIDE. THEY WAS ACTUALLY

1:29:31PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT PEOPLE

1:29:31WOULDN'T LIKE WAYMO AND THEY

1:29:33WOULD PUSH WAYMO OUT THEMSELVES.

1:29:36SO I D'T THINK IT'S A

1:29:37ONE-SIDED THING. I THINK PEOPLE

1:29:39JUST WANT THE OPTIONS AND TO TRY

1:29:41IT OUT. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S

1:29:43UNFORTUNATE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE

1:29:44TIME TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR STAFF

1:29:46WAS GOING TO BRING TO US TO SEE

1:29:49LIKE WHAT OUR OPTIONS WOULD EVEN

1:29:52BE IN MINNEAPOLIS, BACK TO YOUR

1:29:55POT, COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO,

1:29:56IS IT 10 VEHICLES IS IT 100?

1:29:59WHERE DO THEY GO? ARE THERE

1:30:03ZONES FOR THESE VEHICLES BECAUSE

1:30:05MOST CITIES MAP THEM OUT WITH A

1:30:07CERTAIN DISTANCE. THEY GO INTO

1:30:08SOME PLACES. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD

1:30:11THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT FOR

1:30:15OUR RESIDENTS. MAKING A CHOICE

1:30:17WITHOUT SOLID DATA. I HAV'T

1:30:19SEEN DATA THAT SUPPORTS THAT

1:30:20JOBS WILL BE LOST. I HAVEN'T

1:30:22SEEN THAT. I HAVEN'T SEEN

1:30:25ANYWHERE WHERE SOMEONE SAID THIS

1:30:27SERVICE HAS COME IN D THERE'S

1:30:28BEEN A LOT OF JOBS LOST. I

1:30:34HAVEN'T SEEN DATA THAT SHOWS

1:30:37THAT THESE ACCIDENTS ARE ANY

1:30:38WORSE THAN THE ACCIDENTS OR THEY

1:30:40COME MORE OFTEN THAN CAR

1:30:42ACCIDENTS DO. AND SO I WOULD

1:30:44HAVE LIKED TO SEEN THAT BEFORE

1:30:45WE MADE THIS DECISION. AND I'M

1:30:47REALLY HOPINGHAT WE HAVE TIME

1:30:50TO TALK ABOUT THIS MORE WITH OUR

1:30:55RESIDENTS BECAUSE WHAT'S

1:30:56HAPPENING FOR ME IS PEOPL ARE

1:30:58JUST AFRAID OF NOT BEING ABLE TO

1:31:00HAVE THE OPTION. I HAD A LOT OF

1:31:02PEOPLE REACH OUT FROM THE

1:31:03DISABILITY COMMUNITIES THAT ARE

1:31:05NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE'RE

1:31:06COMING FROM WITH JUS LIKE THIS

1:31:11APPROACH OF WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE

1:31:13THEY'RE NOT BEING HEARD. SO I'M

1:31:15HOPING THAT WE DO HAVE AN

1:31:17OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THIS OUT A

1:31:19THINK THROUGH ALL THE RESIDENTS

1:31:22IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS AND

1:31:23ROUGHOUT THE TWIN CITIES.

1:31:26BECAUSE THE OTHER THING I WONDER

1:31:28R ABOUT IS LIKE, MY WARD IS UP

1:31:34VAEY, CRYSTAL. IS THE WAYMO GOI

1:31:37PARKWAY AND PUT YOU OUT AND GO

1:31:44TO ROBBINSDALE. IF THOSE OTHER

1:31:47CITIES USE IT THEN HOW WILL THAT

1:31:49WORK IF WE PREVENT SERVICE IN

1:31:52MINNEAPOLIS?

1:31:53NEXT IS COUNCIL MEMBER

1:31:54WONSLEY.

1:31:54>> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHOWDHURY.

1:31:55JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE,

1:32:00RESPONDING TO THE CONCERNS OF

1:32:03RESIDENTS WHO DO HAVE BE

1:32:06DISABILITIES. WE HAVE HEARD LOUD

1:32:07AND CLEAR REPEATEDLY THAT UBER

1:32:10IS N ALWAYS PROVIDING

1:32:12EQUITABLE SERVICES TO THEIR

1:32:14RESIDENTS, SPECIFICALLY THOSE

1:32:15WITH DISABILITIES AND THOSE WITH

1:32:17SERVICE ANIMALS. I THINK OF

1:32:18COUR WE ALL AGREE THAT'S

1:32:22COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE TO ALLOW

1:32:23A COMPANY TO DISCRIMINATE

1:32:25AGAINST ANY RESIDENT. AND I WILL

1:32:27NOTE ALSO BEFORE UBER AND LYFT

1:32:29WAS LAUNCHED IN MINNEAPOLIS,

1:32:31THEY WERE TOUTED SIMILAR TO WHAT

1:32:33WE'RE HEARING EVEN NOW WITH

1:32:35THESE HER AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES

1:32:37COMPANIES. THEY CLAIM THAT THEY

1:32:39WILL BE A WONDERFULPTION OR

1:32:40CHOICE FOR ACCESSIBILITY AND

1:32:41THEY MADE ALL KINDS OF PROMISES

1:32:44AROUND ADVANCEMENTS IN THAT AREA

1:32:45AND FOR THAT COMMUNITY. NOW WE

1:32:47SEE BOTH COMPANIES UNDER STATE

1:32:50AND FEDERAL LEGAL SCRUTINY FOR

1:32:52DISCRIMINATION. IN FACT, UBER

1:32:53WAS SUED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF

1:32:55JUSTICE. AND LYFT SETTLED WITH

1:32:57OUR OWN MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF

1:33:02HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE MINNESOTA

1:33:03DISABILITY LAW CENTER AFTER

1:33:04DISCRIMINATING AGAINST A BLIND

1:33:05RIDER A THEIR SERVICE DOG.

1:33:07THIS IS WHY, AGAIN, THERE IS

1:33:10SKEPTICISM WHEN WE HEAR ELON

1:33:14MUSK OR JEFF BEZOS -- RESIDENTS

1:33:20WITH DISABILITIES EXPERIENCE. I

1:33:21WANT TO NAME THAT IN RESPONSE TO

1:33:23THAT CO-AUTHORS ARE WORKING WITH

1:33:26LEADERS FROM THE TY'S ADVISORY

1:33:35COUNSEL -- WHAT WE CAN DO TO

1:33:38SUPPORT ENFORCEMENT OF OUR ADA

1:33:40LAWS AND PROVISIONS TO MAKE SURE

1:33:42THEY'RE NOT DISCRIMINATING OR

1:33:44PROVIDING SUBSTANDARD SERVICE TO

1:33:46OUR VULNERABLE RESIDENTS. SO I

1:33:47DID WANT TO NAME THAT PIECE.

1:33:50ALSO, I WANT TO ALSO REVISIT

1:33:53THIS PIECE ABOUT PROCESS. JUST

1:33:55FOR THE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, WE ARE

1:33:58MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS

1:33:59IN THE WAY THAT IT'S SUPPOSED.

1:34:02AND IF ANYONE FELT LIKE IT WAS A

1:34:06PROBLEMATIC, WE HAD MULTIPLE

1:34:08INTERJECTIONS OR POINTS AS PART

1:34:09OF OUR ORDINANCE PROCESS TO

1:34:11ESSENTIALLY STATE THAT YOU DON'T

1:34:13THINK AN ORDINANCE PROCESS

1:34:13SHLD MOVE FORWARD. AND THAT

1:34:15DID NOT HAPPEN. WE WORKED WITH

1:34:17OUR CITY STAFF, OUR CITY

1:34:20ATTORNEYS, ALSO COMMUNITY

1:34:20PARTNERS FOR CLOSE TO A YEAR IN

1:34:23DEVELOPMENT OF THIS ORDINANCE

1:34:24AND ALSO WATCHING WHAT UNFOLDED

1:34:26AT THE STATE LEGISLATOR, WHICH

1:34:28MEANT NOTHING WAS PUT IN PLACE

1:34:30WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

1:34:32ROBBINSDALE OR ANYONE, NO ONE IS

1:34:34PROTECTED AT THIS MOMENT. AND

1:34:36THAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE TO

1:34:40SAYING LET'S DELAY, LET'S WAIT.

1:34:41THERE WON'T BE A PROTECTION ON

1:34:42THE BOOKS FOR OUR RESIDENTS, F

1:34:44WORKERS, AND ESSENTIALLY, WE

1:34:47WOULD JUST BE GIVINGHESE

1:34:49COMPANIES LIKE WAYMO OWNED BY

1:34:53GOOGLE. ALSO, THE IDEA THAT WE

1:34:55WOULD ONLY START WITH0 CARS OR

1:34:57ONE COMPANY, AS I MENTIONED

1:34:59EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION,

1:35:02TESLA OWNED BY ELON MUSK,

1:35:04ALREADY HAS CYBERTAXIS HERE IN

1:35:07MINNESOTA WAITING FOR TESTG.

1:35:09THEY HAVE THEM HERE. SO THE IDEA

1:35:12THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO START

1:35:13WITH ONE COMPANY AND THEY'RE

1:35:14GOING TO GET FEW CARS. NO. THAT

1:35:17HAS NOT BEENHE REALITY WITH

1:35:18AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE COMPANIES

1:35:19ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND AS

1:35:23COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY PLAINLY

1:35:24STATED, THESE COMPANIES, UBER

1:35:25AND LYFT, THEIR GOAL IS TO MOVE

1:35:29TOWARDS A SOLE DRIVERLESS MODEL.

1:35:31THEY HAVE INDICATED THIS

1:35:33MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGH THEIR

1:35:35SHAREHOLDERS. THEY FIND WORKERS

1:35:36TO BE A LIABILITY. AND THIS IS

1:35:38THE SAME SERVICE, AND COUNCIL

1:35:39MEMBER PALMISANO MENTIONED THIS

1:35:42TOO, WHEN THEY CAME INTO MINNEA

1:35:46SUPPORT OFAYOR FREY WHO WAS A

1:35:49COUNCIL MEMBER AT THAT TIME,

1:35:49THEY PREACHED THAT THEY WOULD BE

1:35:52THE UTMOST PRO-WORKER

1:35:54OPPORTUNITY FOR DRIVERS.

1:35:55ESPECIALLY IN GETTING THEM TO

1:35:57ABANDON TAXI SERVICES. AND WHAT

1:35:59DID THE CITY DO AT THAT TIME? I

1:36:02DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER

1:36:03PALMISANO WAS REFERRING TO,

1:36:06THERE WAS AGAIN NO REGULATION

1:36:07PUT IN PLACE AT THAT TIME. THE

1:36:09CITY AND CITY COUNCIL AT THAT

1:36:11TIME ESSENTIALLY GAVE THE RED

1:36:13CARPET SERVICE TO UBER AND LYFT

1:36:15AT THAT MOMENT, AND AS A RESULTS

1:36:17OFTHAT, WE HAVE TO SPEND

1:36:2010-PLUS YEARS EVEN UP TO THIS

1:36:21POINT, WHERE AGAIN I MENTION ON

1:36:25DISABILITY MATTERS, WE'RE HAVING

1:36:27TO STILL TRIANGULATE WITH THE

1:36:29MINNESOTA DEPARTMENOF HUMAN

1:36:30RIGHTS AND AG OFFICE FOR THEM

1:36:34VIOLATG AGAINST OUR RESIDENTS.

1:36:35WORKING WITH OUR STATEWIDE

1:36:38LEADERS FOR TWO YEARS TO PUT

1:36:39BASIC REGULATIONS IN PLACE THAT

1:36:42GUARANTEE EQUITABLE COMPENSATIO

1:36:43FOR DRIVERS. THAT'S BECAUSE

1:36:45LEADERS AT THAT TIME ALLOWED BIG

1:36:47TECH COMPANIES LIKE UBER AND

1:36:49LYFT 10-PLUS YEARS AGO TO SELL

1:36:52THEM A GOLDEN GOOSE TO PROVET

1:36:58DID NOT ENHANCE THE

1:37:00TRANSPTATION. IT DID HAVE TO

1:37:01BE ON CLEAN-UP DUTY. THEY FOUGHT

1:37:03US FOR EVEN THAT CLEAN-UP DUTY

1:37:05TO SAY WE PASSED, WHICH WE DO DO

1:37:07AS A CITY, WE PASSED MINIMUM

1:37:10WAGE LAWS. WE MADE SURE THAT

1:37:11EVERY BUSINESS OPERATING IN THE

1:37:15PROVIDE A 15-DOLLAR MINIMUM

1:37:19WAGE. PAY TIMELY. WE SAID THAT

1:37:21WAS A REQUIREMENT. AND SOMEHOW

1:37:24THESE COMPANIES GOT EXEMPTED

1:37:25FR A POLICY THAT DOZENS OF

1:37:28BUSINESSES HAD TO BE IN

1:37:29COMPLIANT WITH. AND THEY FOUGHT

1:37:32US ON EVEN COMPLYING WITH THOSE

1:37:36BARE MINIMUM WORKER PROTECTIONS.

1:37:38SO THE IDEA THAT WE CAN JUST

1:37:42AFFORD A YEAR TO NOT TAKE THE

1:37:45ROBUST OR REGULATORY FREWORK

1:37:47AND TRUST THAT THESE BIG TECH

1:37:49COMPANIES WILL DO RIGHT BY OUR

1:37:51RESIDENTS, DO RIGHT BY US, ON A

1:37:54PINKY PROMISE IS NOT GOOD GOVER

1:37:58WALKING INTO WITHOUT PASSING A

1:38:01PROTECTION, WHICH IS WHAT DRIVE

1:38:03MINNEAPOLIS IS. IT CREAT A

1:38:04CLEAR GUIDELINE OF WHAT IS

1:38:06NECESSARY IN ORDER TO OPERATE

1:38:07HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS. AND IT'

1:38:08ONE THAT IS THOUGHTFUL. AND IT

1:38:11GIVES US THE TIME TO DO THAT

1:38:13FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF POLICY AS

1:38:15WE'RE DOING WITH DATA CENTERS.

1:38:19IT GIVES US THAT TIME TO ALLOW

1:38:21THE STUDIES TO COME BACK. ALLOW

1:38:23OUR STATE PARTNERS TO ALSO LOOK

1:38:25AT WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE A

1:38:27STATEWIDE REGULATORY SYSTEM FOR

1:38:30AVs. IT ALLOWS US TO DO ALL OF

1:38:32THAT WORK IN THE NEXT YEAR. SO I

1:38:35AT LEAST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT

1:38:35THAT PIECE OF NAMING WE HAVE

1:38:37WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND WE

1:38:39HAVE TAKEN LESSONS LEARNED FROM

1:38:42THE NEGLENCE OF PRIOR CITY

1:38:43LEADERS WHO DID NOT PROACTIVELY

1:38:47SEEK TO REIN IN THE EXPLORATIVE

1:38:49NATURE OF THESE BIG TECH

1:38:50COMPANIES WHO LOVE TO COME IN TO

1:38:53UNREGULATED MARKETS. AND LASTLY,

1:38:55I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO

1:38:58REFRAME THIS NOTION ABOUT CHOIC

1:39:00MULTIPLE TIMES HERE. AND I WANT

1:39:03TO REFRAME IT IN TERMS OF THE

1:39:07CITY'S OWN STATED POLICIES.

1:39:08SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT

1:39:13CHOICE WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION

1:39:14GOALS, SPECIFICALLY IN 2023, THE

1:39:16CITY PASSED THE TRANSPORTATION

1:39:19ACTION PLAN AND THE CLIMATE

1:39:20EQUITY PLAN. AND BOTH OF THOSE

1:39:22PLANS ARTICULATED THAT THE

1:39:24CITY'S VISION FOR HOW RESIDENTS

1:39:25WOULD HAVE THE OPTIONS TO GET

1:39:27AROUND OUR CITY WOULD REQUIRE US

1:39:31TO ESSENTIALLY IMPROVE

1:39:33MULTI-MODAL OPTIONS FOR

1:39:34RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T

1:39:35HAVE TO SOLELY RELY ON A VEHICLE

1:39:39TO GET AROUND OUR CITY. AND

1:39:39RESIDENTS IN OUR CITY DO WANT

1:39:41CHOICES THAT ALLOW THEM TO GET

1:39:42AROUND OR GET TO THEIR

1:39:44DESTINATION SAFELY. BUT DO NOT

1:39:46HAVE TO DO SO WHILE BEING

1:39:47RELIANT ON A CAR. SO WE AS A

1:39:51CITY SHOULD NOT BE DESIGNING OUR

1:39:52STREETS AND PASSING POLICIES

1:39:54THAT ARE COUNTER TO O ALREADY

1:39:55STATED GOALS OF HAVING THREE OUT

1:39:58OF EVERY FIVE TRIPS BE A NON-CAR

1:39:59OPTION. AND IF FOLKS WANT TO DE

1:40:06CITY'S ROLE IN PROTECTING

1:40:08WORKERS, I WOULD HOPE WE DO

1:40:10EVERYTHING WE CAN TO STAND BY

1:40:12THE COMMITMENTS WE'VE ALREADY

1:40:13MADE IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS

1:40:15ABOUT THE NEED TO GET CARS OFF

1:40:17THE STREET AND THIS SIMPLY

1:40:19ALLOWING ROBOTAXIS TO HAVE

1:40:26UNFETTERED ACCESS DOES NOT DO

1:40:27IT. WOULD MAKE IT HARDER FOR THE

1:40:29CITY TO BE COMMITTED TO ENACT

1:40:32THESE PLANS TO GIVE OUR RESIDEN

1:40:35ABILITY TO BIKE, TO WALK, OR TO

1:40:38TAKE PUBLIC TRANSIT. AND

1:40:41ESSENTIALLY, FORCES US INT THIS

1:40:43CONTINUED OVER RELIANCE ON A

1:40:46PRIVATE MARK TO FILL THE GAPS

1:40:48IN THE TRANSIT SYSTEM THAT WE

1:40:49CONTINUE TO DIVEST FROM. I ALSO

1:40:51WANT TO NOTE OF HOW WE TALK

1:40:53ABOUT CHOICE THAT IS FACTOREDN

1:40:55TO HOW THE CITY IS LOOKING AT

1:40:57HOW WE DESIGN OUR STREETS. AND S

1:41:01ALSO TO THEM. SO I WANTED TO

1:41:03NAME THAT. TAKE THE TIME TO SAY,

1:41:05LIKE, WE HAVE BEEN THOUGHTFUL IN

1:41:07THIS PROCESS AND WE WOULD HAVE

1:41:09THE YEAR, IF THIS IS PASSED, TO

1:41:13CONTINUE DOING THAT THOROUGH

1:41:14DEVELOPMENT OF POLICY THAT

1:41:15ACTUALLY ALLOWS MINNEAPOLIS TO

1:41:16BE A LEADER AS OPPOSED TO JUST

1:41:20BEING AN ENABLER OF EXPLOITATIVE

1:41:22BIG TECH COMPANIES COMING IN AND

1:41:24DOING WHATEVER THEY WISH AND

1:41:25BEING ON CLEAN-UP DUTY IN THE

1:41:27FORESEEABLE FUTURE. I DON'T WANT

1:41:29TO PUT OUR CITY IN THA

1:41:32PREDICAMENT NEITHER. WE'VE BEEN

1:41:36THAT.

1:41:36>> THANK YOU. WE'LL CONTINUE TO

1:41:39VICE PRESIDENT OAN FOLLOWED BY

1:41:41COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN

1:41:42>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

1:41:45DRIVERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

1:41:47COMING. ABOUT TWO AND A HALF

1:41:48YEARS AGO, YOU CAME HERE AND YOU

1:41:52TALKED TO US ABOUT WAGE THEFT.

1:41:55UBER NOT PAYING YOU WHAT YOU'RE

1:41:58SUPPOSED TO MAKE. LIKE EVERY

1:42:01CITIZEN IN MINNEAPOLIS WAS

1:42:02MAKING MINIMUM WAGE, BUT UBER

1:42:05WAS NOT REQUIRED, OR LYFT. THERE

1:42:08WAS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO CAME HERE,

1:42:11DRIVE 21 MILES FOR $4. I DON'T

1:42:13KNOW WHAT COUNTRIES THEY DO THAT

1:42:16ANWHAT PLACE THEY DO THAT, BUT

1:42:17WE STOPPED THAT. WE WERE

1:42:20SUCCESSFUL. COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE

1:42:22HAS FOUT FOR MINIMUM WAGE FOR

1:42:26FAIR PAY FOR UBER AND LYFT. THIS

1:42:28IS NO DIFFERENT. YESTERDAY, YOU

1:42:31WERE FIGHTING FOR MINIMUM WAGE.

1:42:33TODAY, THEY'RE PUSHING YOU OUT.

1:42:35YOU DON'T MATTER. THAT'S WHAT

1:42:40THE TECH COMPANIES OR WAYMO IS

1:42:43SAYING. SO COLLEAGUES, THESE ARE

1:42:45OUR REPRESENTATIVE THEY'RE NOT

1:42:47FROM A DIFFERENT PLANET. THIS IS

1:42:48WHERE THEY LIVE. THIS IS YOUR

1:42:50COMMUNITY. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE

1:42:53THAT VOTE FOR YOU. YOU ARE

1:42:55OBLIGATED TO PROTECT THEM. NOW

1:42:57THE OPTION IS JOB LOSS OR

1:42:59OPTIONS. THAT IS THE DEBATE I

1:43:03SEE WITHIN THE COUNCIL MEMBERS

1:43:04HERE. OPTIONS OR JOB LOSS. LET'S

1:43:07WEIGH THAT IN. I CARE ABOUT YOUR

1:43:11FAMILY. I CARE ABOUT YOU. I TALK

1:43:13TO YOU. I VISITED THE MSP

1:43:18AIRPORT. I TALK TO YOU. YOU ARE

1:43:22PART OF THE COMMUNITY. AND AS A

1:43:23COUNCIL MEMBER WHO IS PUSHING

1:43:26THIS, IT'S NO-BRAINER FOR AN

1:43:34ANYONE, AND ESPECIALLY THE

1:43:36COLLEAGUES WHO NOT MADE THEIR

1:43:37MIND HOW THEY WANT TO VOTE. JOBS

1:43:41OR OPTIONS. THAT'S WHAT'S FRONT

1:43:43OF YOU RIGHT NOW. YOU HAVE

1:43:47OPTIONS TO, YOU KNOW, RIDE A

1:43:49ROBOTIC CAR. RIGHT? EVEN WITHIN

1:43:52THAT TOO IS THAT EVEN

1:43:55ECONOMICALLY SMART AS A CITY OF

1:43:58MINNEAPOLI HAVING A ROBOT

1:44:01DRIVE 24/7. THEY DON'T TAKE A

1:44:02BREA RIGHT? THEY DON'T STOP BY

1:44:06THE GAS STATION. TY DON'T COME

1:44:08TO YOUR RESTAURANT. THEY DON'T

1:44:10TAKE A BREAK. THE WEAR AND TEAR

1:44:14OF OUR ROADS. THEY COLLECTING

1:44:16ALL THAT MONEY. WHERE IS THAT

1:44:17MONEY GOING? IT'S NOT COMING TO

1:44:20THCITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. BECAUSE

1:44:21YOU CARE ABOUT MORE OPTIONS.

1:44:24THAT'S GOING TO SILICON VALLEY.

1:44:26THAT MONEY IS GOING STRAIGHT TO

1:44:27SILICON VALLEY. AND IF ANYBODY

1:44:40WANTS TO -- I THINK COUNC

1:44:41MEMBER VETAW ASKED, I DON'T SEE

1:44:42THE DATA OF LOSING JOBS. WE

1:44:46MIGHT NOT HAVE THE DATA, RIGHT?

1:44:49BUT ALSO COMMON SENSE. WE CAN

1:44:50SEE RIGHT NOW THE WAIT TIME FOR

1:44:53DRIVERS AT THE MSP IS TWO HOURS

1:45:00PLUS. TWO HOURS OR MORE THEY

1:45:03WAIT TO GET A CALL IN QUEUE.

1:45:08WHEN THEY GET THAT RIGHT, THEY

1:45:11MIGHT PICK $10 FOR THE AIRPORT

1:45:14HOTEL. THEY MIGHT GET ONE IN

1:45:16MINNEAPOLIS DOWNTOWN. THEY MIGHT

1:45:17GET LUCKY AND GO TO MAPLE GROVE

1:45:20OR FAR AWAY PLACES. THAT IS WHAT

1:45:22THEY RELY ON. THEY GO THERE IN

1:45:24THE MORNING, TT'S THEIR JOB.

1:45:27THAT'SHEIR DAILY JOB. NOW IF

1:45:29YOU ADD A ROBOTIC CAR FOR TWO

1:45:31HOURS THEY'RE WAITING. LET'S SAY

1:45:33MIXED USE, ALL THE OPTIONS WE

1:45:35HAVE IN CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS, HOW

1:45:37LONG WILL THAT WAIT GO? WILL IT

1:45:41GO FOUR HOURS? THE GOAL HERE FOR

1:45:44WAYMO OR ANY OTHER CAR IS TO

1:45:46PUSH WORKERS AWAY. SIMPLE AS

1:45:50AT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY

1:45:52YOU. THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY

1:45:54ABOUT HEALTH INSURANCE. THEY

1:45:55DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT

1:45:56ANYTHING. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY,

1:45:58THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT

1:45:59ANYTHING ELSE. THE ONLY THING

1:46:02CITY OMINNEAPOLIS WILL CHARGE

1:46:02IS A LICENSE FEE. WE'RE NOT

1:46:04MAKING ANY MONEY FROM MHINES

1:46:06THAT ARE JUST GOING AROUND IN T

1:46:09NOT MAKING MONEY. WE HAVE

1:46:10OPTIONS. BUT WE'RE NOT MAKING

1:46:12MONEY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEVY.

1:46:14WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAXES.

1:46:15MAKING MONEY. WE'RE NOT MAKING

1:46:17ANY MONEY. AND WE'RE LEAVING

1:46:21DRIVERS JOBLESS. WHAT I WILL

1:46:22TELL YOU IS THAT THINK ABOUT THE

1:46:26DRIVER'S FRONTAL VIEW. THINK

1:46:29ABOUT THEM. IT CONTINUE TO COME

1:46:31BACK. ESPECIALLY IMMIGRA

1:46:32COMMUNITY. IT CONTINUE TO COME

1:46:33BACK ON THE TOPIC. WE WERE

1:46:35TALKING ABOUT A FEW MONTH AGO,

1:46:37AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR,

1:46:40ABOUT METRO SURGE AND WHAT THEY

1:46:42HAVE DONE TO THE SOMALI

1:46:47COMMUNITY, OR LATIN COMMUNITY,

1:46:49OR NATIVE CITIZENS OF

1:46:50MINNEAPOLIS. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT

1:46:52BACKGROUND, WHAT CULTURE YOU

1:46:53ARE, WHAT ICE HAS DONE TO US. WE

1:46:55WERE TALKING ABOUT PROTECTION.

1:46:56PUTTING PROTECTION AND MAKING

1:46:58SURE THE LANDLORDS ARE NOT

1:46:59EVICTING THEM BECAUSE THEY COULD

1:47:00NOT GET OUT OF T HOUSE. SAME

1:47:03PEOPLE ARE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU.

1:47:05AND THEY'RE YOU'RE RESIDENTS.

1:47:07THEY LIVE IN NORTHSIDE. THEY

1:47:10LIVE WEST MINNEAPOLIS, SOUTH

1:47:12MINNEAPOLIS, IT DOESN'T MATTER

1:47:13WHERE THEY LIVE. THE CHOICE IS

1:47:14VERY CLEAR. IF YOU SAY NO AND IF

1:47:18YOU VOTE NO, YOU ARE KILLING

1:47:20JOBS. I'M SORRY. IT'S THE

1:47:23KILLING JOBS. IT'S OBVIOUS THE

1:47:24DRIVERS ARE HERE, THEY'RE

1:47:25TALKING TO US. BUT IF YOU VOTE,

1:47:28YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T VOTE, YOU

1:47:31GET YOUROPTION. THAT'S THE

1:47:32THING I JUST WANT TO SAY. I WILL

1:47:34CLOSE IT DOWN BY SAYING THAT I

1:47:39HOPE YOU CONSIDER EVERYTHING

1:47:43THAT WENT THROUGH AND THE CITY

1:47:45WENT THROUGH, ESPECIALLY

1:47:46IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES. THE

1:47:47MAJORITY OF THE DRIVERS,

1:47:49OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN SEE IT. HUGE

1:47:51NUMBER OF DRIVERS ARE EAST

1:47:53AFRICAN COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE

1:47:55BEEN ATTACKED BY FEDERAL

1:47:57GOVERNMENT. WHO CONTINUE TO GET,

1:48:00YOU KNOW, ATTACKED BY THIS

1:48:02ADMINISTRATION. LET'S BE

1:48:08RESPONSIBLE. LET'S PROTECT THIS

1:48:11RESIDENT. AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO

1:48:12THINK ABOUT THE VOTE YOU'RE

1:48:14TAKING, MY COLLEAGUES. AND I

1:48:17HOPE THAT YOU SUPPORT THE

1:48:19RESIDENTS OF MINNEAPOLIS. THANK

1:48:20YOU.

1:48:23>> THANK YOU. AND MEMBERS, I'M

1:48:24JUST GOING TO NOTE TO YOU WE DO

1:48:26HAVE TWO ITEMSN DISCUSSION

1:48:28AFTER THIS AND A RECEIVE AND

1:48:29FILE. COUPLE MEMBERSAVE MADE

1:48:32ME AWARE THAT THEY HAVE TO LEAVE

1:48:34AROUND 4:00. I DON'T KNOWF

1:48:36OTHERS MIGHT HAVE SOME TIME

1:48:38RESTRICTIONS HERE, BUT I JUST

1:48:39WANTED TO MAKE EVERYE AWARE

1:48:40AND GIVE THAT REMINDER. AND WITH

1:48:42THAT, WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER

1:48:43WARREN.

1:48:45>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I'M JUST

1:48:50GOING TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.

1:48:53IN CASE NOBODY HAS TOLD ANYONE

1:48:56WHO TESTIFIED HERE TODAY, THIS,

1:48:58AND YOU HAVEN'T HEARD IT EVER

1:49:02BEFORE, YOU'RE VALUABLE AND

1:49:03YOU'RE WORTH IT. AND I WANT YOU

1:49:05TO KNOW THAT. THI IS NOT A DISS

1:49:13AT SAYING YOU'RE N VALUABLE.

1:49:15THIS IS NOT A DISS AT SAYING WE

1:49:19DON'T SUPPORT OUR IMMIGRANT OR

1:49:20MINNESOTA WORKERS, YOU KNOW,

1:49:22INDIVIDUALS WHO DRIVE FOR UBER

1:49:23AND LYFT. YOU ARE VALUABLE AND

1:49:25YOU ARE WORTH IT. AND I WANT TO

1:49:27SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M HEARING A

1:49:29LOT COMING ACROSS THE DAIS

1:49:34SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT VALUING

1:49:36PEOPLE, BUT WE REALLY ARE. LIKE,

1:49:37I WANT YOU TO KNOW. COUNCIL

1:49:40MEMBER WARREN SAYS THAT YOU'RE

1:49:41VALUABLE AND YOU'RE WORTH IT.

1:49:42OKAY. I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE

1:49:47DOING AND I RESPECT YOUR HUSTLE.

1:49:49OKAY? JUST SO YOU ALSO KNOW,

1:49:51YES, INDIVIDUALS WILL HAVE TO

1:49:54PAY BUSINESS LICENSING FEES

1:49:56HERE. BUT ALSO THAT IF YOU DO

1:49:58BUSINESS IN ANOTHER STATE,

1:49:59YOU'RE ALSO SUBJECT TO THAT

1:50:01STATE'S TAXES AND REVENUE

1:50:04CHARGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT,

1:50:05TOO. I'M AN AUTHOR. IF I GO SELL

1:50:07A BOOK IN NEW JERSEY, THEN I

1:50:10HAVE TO PAY NEW JERSEY SALES TAX

1:50:11ON WHATEVER. SO REGARDLESS TO

1:50:14WHATEVER PEOPLE ARE SAYING, I

1:50:16DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS EITHER,

1:50:18BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY SOME

1:50:19MONEY TO DO SOME BUSINESS HERE

1:50:22IN MINNESOTA. NOW, WE MAY NOT

1:50:25HAVE ALL OF THE FINE LINE

1:50:27DETAILS ABOUT WHAT THAT'S GOING

1:50:28TO LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE FEE

1:50:30SERVICE CHARGE IS AND WHATEVER

1:50:33ELSE THE CASE IS, BUT IT'S

1:50:35COMING, ALL RIGHT? I MAINLY

1:50:38WANTED TO SAY YOU'RE VALUABLE.

1:50:41YOU'RE WORTH IT. WE WILL RECEIVE

1:50:45FEES FOR PEOPLE DOING BUSINESS

1:50:47HERE JUST THE SAME WAY YOU'RE

1:50:49TAXED. CARS IS GOING TO BE TAXED

1:50:50TOO.

1:50:52WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CARS IT'S

1:50:53GOING TO BE. NOBODY IS GOING TO

1:50:55STRIP FOOD OUT OF ANYBODY'S

1:50:58CHILDREN'S MOUTH. WE SERVE REAL

1:50:59MEAT IN THE SOUP LINES HERE IN

1:51:01THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. AIN'T

1:51:03NOBODY WENT HUNGRY HERE YET. I

1:51:05PROMISE YOU. WE HAVE NEVER GONE

1:51:07HUNGRY HERE IN MINNESOTA. OKAY?

1:51:09THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEBODY WILLING

1:51:11TO SHARE A PLATE, A SANDWICH, A

1:51:15SOMETHING. SO LET'S NOT FILL OUR

1:51:16MIND WITH ALL OF THESE BOOGIE

1:51:21MANS AND SPOOK STORIES ABOUT THE

1:51:22WORLD COMING TO AN END BECAUSE

1:51:24OF AN AUTONOMOUS CAR. MY GOD,

1:51:28TODAY THIS SOUNDS SO DEPRESSING.

1:51:30THIS IS NOT HOW TS GOES. YOU

1:51:32KNOW. SOME OF YOU INDIVIDUALS

1:51:36HERE IN THE AUDIENCE ARE GOING

1:51:37TO BE LUCKY ENOUGH TO OWN ONE.

1:51:39AND WHILE YOU'RE SLEEPING, IT

1:51:40WILL GET UP AND GO MAKE MONEY

1:51:43FOR YOU. OKAY? LIKE THERE'S

1:51:45THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING OF THE

1:51:48FUTURE THAT YOU JUST GOTTA

1:51:50PREPARE FOR. AND GUESS WHAT? IT

1:51:51WILL BE INSURED NOT AT YOUR

1:51:53DOLLAR. OKAY. AND YOU'LL BE

1:51:58DOING COSTSHARE EQUITY PLANS AND

1:52:00WHATEVER THE CASE IS. JUST

1:52:03RELAX. IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY.

1:52:04BUT LET NOT START BUILDING ALL

1:52:06OF THESE BOOGIE MONSTERS AND

1:52:08SAYING THAT THEORLD IS COMING

1:52:10TO THE END AND PEOPLE ARE NOT

1:52:12VALUED AND WE DON'T SUPPORT

1:52:14IMMIGRANTS AND ALL OF THESE

1:52:15OTHER THINGS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT

1:52:15THE TRUTH. THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS

1:52:17IS ABOUT. WE RESPECT -- I LOVE

1:52:20AND RESPECT EVERYBODY. I JUST W

1:52:24NOBODY TELLS US YOU'RE VALUAB,

1:52:26COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN SAYS THAT

1:52:27EACH AND EVERY PERSON IS

1:52:30VALUABLE, ESPECIALLY FOLKS HERE

1:52:31IN THIS AUDIENCE. I WOULDN'T

1:52:32CARE WHERE YOU CAME FROM. WHAT

1:52:35YOUR NATIONALITY WAS, YOUR

1:52:38BACKGROUND, WHATEVER WHAT JOB

1:52:39YOU WORKED, HOW LONG YOU WORKED

1:52:41IT, YOU ARE VALUABLE AND WORTH

1:52:44IT AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ALL

1:52:46RIGHT. WE'VE COME THROUGH WORSE

1:52:48SITUATIONS. THIS IS A DECISION

1:52:49MAKING THING. WHETHER IT GETS

1:52:51THE VOTES OR IT DOESN'T GET THE

1:52:53VOTES, WE STILL ALL ARE GOING TO

1:52:54BE OKAY. THE END.

1:52:59>> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE'LL GO TO

1:53:01COUNCIL MEMBER SHAFFER, AND THEN

1:53:02COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW.

1:53:03>> YEAH, JUST A COUPL MORE

1:53:05THOUGHTS.

1:53:06>> AND COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ.

1:53:07>> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHOWDHURY.

1:53:08COUPLETHER THOUGHTS. I WOULD

1:53:10SAY THAT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING,

1:53:11NO OTHER CITY INHE NATION HAS

1:53:14AN ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES A

1:53:15HUMAN MONITOR. AND WE HERE IN

1:53:19MINNEAPOLIS ARE PUTTING FORWARD

1:53:20AN ORDINANCE BEFORE WE'VE EVEN

1:53:22GOTTEN A REPORT OR DATA FROM OUR

1:53:23STAFF AROUND THAT. SO I'M NOT

1:53:30SURE WHY WE THINK AS THE

1:53:31MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL THAT WE

1:53:33CANNOT LEARN FROM THOSE WHO HAVE

1:53:34ALREADY TAKEN THIS STEP. WHAT

1:53:36WERE SOME OF THE MISSTEPS? HOW

1:53:38CA WE SAFEGUARD? HOW CAN WE

1:53:40HAVE A TEMPORARY, OR SOME KIND

1:53:43OF EDUCATIONAL FUND IF THAT'S

1:53:44PART OF THE DEAL. BUT I THINK WE

1:53:48HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WHEN WE

1:53:51DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT THE DATA IS

1:53:54AND WHAT THE COMMUNITIES BEFORE

1:53:55US THAT HAVE STEPPED FORWARD TO

1:53:57TRY. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY WE AS A

1:54:02CITY CAN STEP OUT AND SAY WE'RE

1:54:04GOING TO REQUIRE A HUMAN

1:54:06MONITOR. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE

1:54:07WITHOUT THE DATA. AND NUMR

1:54:09TWO, I REMEMBER WHEN WE

1:54:10APPOINTED OUR NEW CPED DIRECTOR,

1:54:12IC HANSEN. AND ONE OF THE

1:54:14THINGS I ASKED HIM WAS HOW TO

1:54:16DRIVE REVENUE FOR OUR CITY. AND

1:54:17HE CAME BACK WITH SAYING, YOU

1:54:19KNOW, FOR INVESTMENT TO BE

1:54:21INTESTED IN MINNEAPOLIS, WE

1:54:22HAVE TO HAVE A PREDICTABLE

1:54:26REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT. A STABLE

1:54:27REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT. AND BY

1:54:32US BRINGING THIS FORWARD WITHOUT

1:54:34AFF INPUT ON THIS REPORT THAT

1:54:37WE HAVE PUT FORWARD, WE ARE NOT

1:54:39SHOWING THE INVESTMENT COMMUNITY

1:54:41THAT WE ARE A PREDICTABLE,

1:54:44STABLE, DATA-DRIVEN, REGULATORY

1:54:51INENVIRON

1:54:52ENVIRONMENT. DO WE HAVE TO --

1:54:55ABSOLUTELY. BUT WE NEED TO STEP

1:54:57FORWARD AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE

1:54:59NOT LEFT BEHIND. AND I THINK

1:55:03THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT

1:55:05WE ARE MOVING AHEAD O WITHOUT

1:55:09TAKING IN ALL OF THE INPUTS THAT

1:55:11WE HAVE AVAILABLE AT OUR

1:55:12DISPOSAL.

1:55:14>> NEXT IS COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW,

1:55:16FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER

1:55:17CHAVEZ.

1:55:17>> THANKOU, CHAIR CHOWDHURY.

1:55:18YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO PUSH

1:55:23BACK ON THIS NOTION THAT A

1:55:27NO-VOTE IS NOT COMMENCE. COMMON

1:55:31SENSE. COMMON SENSE IS THE BASIC

1:55:32LEVEL OF SOUND JUMENT. AND

1:55:35SOUND JUDGMENT WOULD BE THAT

1:55:36THERE ARE TWSIDES TO THIS. AND

1:55:39LIKE, THE IDEA THAT YOU DON'T

1:55:43SUPPORT A GROUP OF PEOPLE

1:55:44BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT

1:55:46LEVEL OF COMMON SENSE THAN

1:55:49OTHERS IS BEYOND BIZARRE AND

1:55:51SHOULD NOT BE SPOKEN BY A LEADER

1:55:54OF THIS COUNCIL. YOU KNOW. THERE

1:55:56ARE MULTIPLE SIDES TO THIS.

1:55:57THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SHOWN

1:56:00UP HERE WHO HAVE SAID I HAVE HAD

1:56:03A CERTAIN EXPERIENCE AND I WANT

1:56:04TO TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT

1:56:06DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S THE

1:56:07DIFFERENT THAT I'M GOING TO

1:56:08KEEP. IT'S THE DIFFERENCE THAT I

1:56:11WANT TO TRY. AND SO IT'S MY JOB

1:56:14AS A LEADER IN THIS COMMUNITY TO

1:56:15LISTEN TO ALL SIDES AND N MAK

1:56:17A DECISION THAT IS NOT BASED IN

1:56:19FACT, THAT IS NOT BASED IN DATA,

1:56:23THAT IS NOT REASONABLE. AND SO I

1:56:26JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

1:56:27WE'RE CLEAR ABOUT THE REAL

1:56:29DEFINITION OF COMMON SENSE

1:56:31BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST TAKING AN

1:56:34APPROACH AND AN OPINION WITHOUT

1:56:35FACTS TO BACK IT UP. AND I KNOW

1:56:37FORERTAIN THAT THERE ARE MANY,

1:56:42MANY INDUSTRIES THAT GET

1:56:43COMPETITION AND GROW. IT'S JUST

1:56:47A FACT. THERE ARE MANY

1:56:49INDUSTRIES THAT WHEN SOMEONE

1:56:50COMES IN WIT COMPETITION, THEY

1:56:53GROW. AND SO TO JUST PUTT OUT

1:56:55THERE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE

1:56:57THIS CRAZY AMOUNT OF JOB LOSS

1:57:00AND ALL OF THIS FEAR MONGERING,

1:57:02I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN

1:57:03SAID IT, WITHOUT ANY FACTUAL

1:57:07INFORMATION,ITHOUT ANY DATA TO

1:57:10PROVE THAT, I THINK IS POOR

1:57:14LEADERSHIP AND CERTAINLY, IT'S

1:57:15NOT COMMON SENSE. COMMON SENSE

1:57:16WOULD BE ABLE TO PULL A CHART OF

1:57:19DATA AND FACTS A SAY EXACTLY

1:57:21WHY WE SHOUL BE VOTING THE WAY

1:57:26WE SHOULD AND SHOW. LIKE, I'VE

1:57:29WORKED IN DATA MY ENTIRE CAREER

1:57:31AND I KNOW HOW PRODUCTIVE THAT

1:57:33COULD BESO I WOULD CAUTION US

1:57:35BY USING TERMS THAT ARE NOT THE

1:57:38ACTUAL MEANING OF THE WORDS THAT

1:57:39YOU ARE SAYING BECAUSE THAT'S

1:57:41NOT WHAT COMMON SENSE TO ME IS.

1:57:44>> NEXT IS COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ

1:57:46FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER

1:57:47OSMAN.

1:57:47>> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHOWDHURY. R

1:57:51THE PUBLIC HERE. MINNESOTA HAS

1:57:53THE LARGEST EAST AFRIN

1:57:55COMMUNITY IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

1:57:56NO OTHER STATE FACED THE

1:57:59CUPATION THAN THE WAY THE

1:58:00STATE OF MINNESOTA DEAID. THE TI

1:58:06INDUSTRY WAS DECATED FROM

1:58:08RIDESHARE COMPANIES. THOSE ARE

1:58:09FACTS. THE DATA SHOWS IT. I

1:58:11SUPPORT THIS ORDANCE BECAUSE I

1:58:12SUPPORT MY IMMIGRANT NEIGHBORS

1:58:13VOTE YES.

1:58:17>> THANK YOU. NEXT IS VICE

1:58:18PRESIDENT OSMAN.

1:58:18>> I WILL BE QUICK. JUST

1:58:25OVERALL, IT IS ECONOMICALLY NOT

1:58:31SMART. IT'S VERY CLEAR -- LET ME

1:58:34JUST SAY THIS -- IT ISOMMON

1:58:37SENS AND I CONTINUE TO REPEAT T

1:58:43HAVE THE DATA. WELL HERE'S THE

1:58:46FACT. I WENT TO THE MSP AIRPORT.

1:58:48RIGHT? IT'S TWO PLUS HOURWAIT

1:58:52TIME. IF YOU ADD 50 SELF-DRIVING

1:58:59CARS, HOW LONG WILL THAT WAIT

1:59:02CAR BE? WAIT TIME BE FOR A

1:59:03DRIVER TO GET A RIDE? THANK YOU.

1:59:15>> NEXT IS COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW.

1:59:17>> THE FACTS ARE YOU CHOOSE TO

1:59:19WAIT AT MSP AIRPORT IF YOU WAIT

1:59:22AT MSPAIRPORT. THERE ARE OTHER

1:59:24PLACESOU CAN GO. IF WE'RE

1:59:25GOING TO SPEAK IN FACT, LET'S

1:59:27SPEAK IN FACT.HE OTHER FACTS

1:59:29ARE IT DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T

1:59:31SUPPORT RIDESHARE WORKERS IF I

1:59:34DON'T SUPPORT THIS. I SUPPORT

1:59:36WOMEN. I'VE HAD NOTHING BUT

1:59:38WOMEN COME TO ME AND SAY DO NOT

1:59:39SUPPORT THIS. SO DOES THAT MEAN

1:59:43THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO DO DON'T

1:59:44SUPPORT WOMEN? I DON'T THINK

1:59:45AT'S THE CASE. SO I WISH WE

1:59:48WOULD GET AWAY FROM CATEGORIZING

1:59:50WHO PEOPLE SUPPORT. THAT IS SO

1:59:53CHILDISH AND SO PETTY TO KEEP

1:59:55LETTING HAPPEN HE. PLEASE,

1:59:58OP CATEGORIZG PEOPLE FOR

1:59:59SUPPORT AND NOT SUPPORTING

2:00:00BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OPINION. I

2:00:02SUPPORT WOMEN. I SUPPORT

2:00:04RIDESHARE WORKERS. I SUPPORT

2:00:06PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. IT'S

2:00:09BECOMING TIRING THIS LEVEL OF

2:00:11TANTRUM WHEN SOMEBODY DOES NOT

2:00:13SUPPORT WHAT YOU SUPPORT. AND

2:00:14IT'S GOTTA STOP. I DON'T SUPPORT

2:00:16IT. PERIOD.

2:00:24>> ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBERS.

2:00:26>> I DIDN'T DO NOTHING, TO BE

2:00:28CLEAR. I'M JUST SITTING HERE.

2:00:29>> WE HAVE A DISCUSSION TO GO

2:00:30THROUGH. IF YOUEED TO TAKE A

2:00:33STEP OUT, YOU'RE WELCOME TTAKE

2:00:35A STEP OUT. BUT WE'RE GOING TO

2:00:38CONTINUE. >> I'M FINE SITTING.

2:00:39>> WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH

2:00:41QUEUE, AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO

2:00:43SPEAK, GET INTO QUEUE. AND ALSO

2:00:45SPEAK THROUGH THE CHAIR. THANK

2:00:48YOU. NEXT IS COUNCIL MEMBER

2:00:48WARREN.

2:00:50>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I'M JUST

2:00:53GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THESE

2:00:57VEHICLES ARE NOT GOING TO RUN 24

2:00:58HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

2:01:01WE KNOW ELECTRIC VEHICLES DON'T

2:01:03RUN ANY MORE THAN ABOUT THREE

2:01:04HOURS BEFORE THEY GOTTA GET

2:01:06CHARGED UP AGAIN. SO IF THE WAIT

2:01:09TIME AT THE AIRPORT I TWO

2:01:11HOURS, PROBABLY STILL GOING TO

2:01:12BE TWO HOURS BECAUSE THESE

2:01:15ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE PROBABLY

2:01:19GOING TO RUN TWO TO THREE HOURS

2:01:23BEFORE THEY GET CHARGED UP. IT'S

2:01:26NOT LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO PULL

2:01:27UP TO THEPEEDWAY AND FILL UP

2:01:29AND BE BACK ON THE ROAD AGAIN.

2:01:31IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A

2:01:34CONTINUOUS NON-STOP JUST PEDAL

2:01:38TO THE METAL RUN THE ROAD DOWN.

2:01:40THEY GOTTA CHARGE. THEY GOTTA

2:01:42BREAK. THEY GOTTA DO THEIR THING

2:01:44BEFORE THEY GET BACK ON THE ROAD

2:01:46TOO. LET'S JUST ADD THAT INTO

2:01:47THERE. AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S A

2:01:49FACT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST

2:01:52NON-STOP. I MEAN,OU GOTTA PUT

2:01:55SOME THINGS IN TO PERSPECTIVE.

2:02:01PEOPLE, YOU KN, THIS IS JUST

2:02:04GETTING TO BE RIDICULOUS. YES,

2:02:06WE HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIES OR

2:02:10IMMIGRANT MILIES AND PEOPLE

2:02:11WHO DRIVE FOR LYFT. I DROVE FOR

2:02:13LYFT. I DROVE FOR UBER. I DID

2:02:16IT. BUT GUESS WHAT? AUTONOMOUS

2:02:19VEHICLES CAN'T DELIVER PACKAGES

2:02:21AND AMAZON AND WHOMEVER ELSE.

2:02:24THEY'RE NOT DOING UBER EATS AND

2:02:26DELIVERING THE FOOD TO PEOPLE

2:02:27AND GROCERIES AND ALL THE REST

2:02:29OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT UBER AND

2:02:30LYFT AND OTHER RIDESHARE

2:02:34PROGRAMS ARE DOING. SO THERE'S

2:02:35STILL GOING TO BE WORK TO BE

2:02:38DONE. THERE'S STILL GOING TO

2:02:39BE -- PEOPLE CAN STILL GO GET

2:02:41THEIR HUSTLE ON. SOME PEOPLE

2:02:43THAT'S THEIR MAIN JOB. BUT SOME

2:02:46PEOPLE, IT'S THEIR HUSTLE JOB.

2:02:47THERE WAS A YOUNG MAN WHO

2:02:49TESTIFIED UP HERE AND SAID HE

2:02:51HAS A DOUBLE MASTER'S DEGREE AND

2:02:53SOMETHING ELSE AND HE DOES UBER

2:02:57ON THE SIDE. THERE'S GOING TO BE

2:02:58PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY. AND

2:02:59EVERYTHING IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY.

2:03:03WE HAVE A WHOLE TON OF NEW

2:03:06PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE

2:03:09WORKING AND GRADUATING AND

2:03:11ENTERING INTO THE WORKFORCE AND

2:03:13DOING DIFFERENT KINDS OF OTHER

2:03:15COMMUNITY THAT ARE GOING TO BE

2:03:17LOOKING FOR MEANS OF

2:03:19ANSPORTATION THAT LOOKS A

2:03:19CERTAIN WAY FOR THEM. DON'T FEEL

2:03:21LIKE IT'S THE END OF THE WORL

2:03:25AND YOU KNOW, NOTHING IS GOING

2:03:26TO BE TAKEN AWAY FROM ANYBODY.

2:03:28IT IS NOT TO DISENFRANCHISE THE

2:03:34IMMIGRANT WORKERS OR ANYTHING

2:03:34LIKE THAT. YES, WE DO HAVE A

2:03:38VERY LARGE EAST AFRICAN

2:03:39POPULATION HERE. THE LARGEST

2:03:41NEXT TO MOGADISHU, WHICH IS THE

2:03:49CAPITAL. JUST SO YOU KNOW,

2:03:50CHAVEZ.

2:03:51WE LOVE AND RESPECT ALL OUR

2:03:52IMMIGRANT NEIGHBORS. THERE'S

2:03:54GOING TO BE OPPORTUNITIES.

2:03:55THERE'S ALSO OPPORTUNITIES FOR

2:03:56YOU TO DO OTHER THINGS TOO, LIKE

2:03:58SIT ON THIS COUNCIL. OKAY. SO

2:03:59LOOK FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT

2:04:01ARE AROUND YOU. DON'T LET ONE

2:04:03THING BE A FINAL DESTINATION FOR

2:04:05YOU AND FEEL LIKE YOU CAN'T GO

2:04:07ON FURTHER IN LIFE BECAUSE THAT

2:04:08CHANCE IS TAKEN FROM YOU. YOU

2:04:11CAN DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU

2:04:12WANT TO DO OUT HERE IN THIS

2:04:14LIFE. EVERYBODY ON THIS DAIS

2:04:17SITTING UP HERE IS A LIVING

2:04:19EXAMPLE OF IT. YOUR LIFE DOES

2:04:20NOT COME TO AN END BAUSE OF AN

2:04:23AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE SHOWS UP IN

2:04:25YOUR CITY. YOU CAN DO WHATEVER

2:04:27YOU WANT TO DO. SAY WHATEVER YOU

2:04:28WANT TO SAY. DO WHATEVER YOU

2:04:30WANT TO DO. I YOU WANT TO SIT

2:04:33ON THIS DAIS, YOU CAN SIT RIGHTE

2:04:37WHO YOU WANT TO BE. AND DON'T

2:04:39LET ONE THING BE YOUR FINAL

2:04:41DESTINATION. THE END.

2:04:43>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNCIL

2:04:44MEMBERS. I'M GOING TO REMIND

2:04:47EVERYBODY TO FOCUS ON DEBATING

2:04:49THE ISSUE. I WASN'T HERE IN THE

2:04:51ROOM WHEN THERE WAS A COMMENT

2:04:52MADE ABOUT SAYING SOMEONE

2:04:54DOESN'T HAVE COMMON SENSE. I

2:04:55DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE

2:04:56PEOPLE SAYG ANYTHING ABOUT

2:04:57THAT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD

2:04:59CALL PEOPL OUT FOR BEING

2:05:02CHILDISH OR HAVING A TANTRUM. IF

2:05:05THAT CONTINUES, I WILL USE MY

2:05:08GAVEL AND ASK TO MUTE YOUR MIC.

2:05:11WE NEED TO GET THROUGH AND

2:05:13DEBATING AT THE ISSUE AT HAND,

2:05:16NOT ON PEOPLE'S PERSONALITIES.

2:05:18>> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHOWDHURY. I

2:05:20ALSO WANTED AT THE CLOSURE OF

2:05:23THIS DISCUSSION TO REFOCUS IT TO

2:05:26WHAT'S AT HAND.

2:05:28MINNESOTA'S DEPARTMENT OF LABOR

2:05:29HAVE ESTIMATED THAT THERE ARE

2:05:3110,000 RIDESHARE DRIVERS THAT

2:05:32WORK RIGHT HERE IN THE METRO.

2:05:34AND WE ALSO KNOW THA AUTOMATION

2:05:38HAS A DEMONSTRATED TRACK RECORD

2:05:40OF LEADING TO JOB DISPLACEMENT.

2:05:42THAT IS PART OF THIS PIECE OF

2:05:46THIS INDUSTRY EXPLODING ACROSS

2:05:47THE COUNTRY. AND WHAT THIS

2:05:50ORDINANCE HAS NOT SAID IS THAT'S

2:05:52BAD. NONE IS SAYING THOSE

2:05:54TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENTS IS

2:05:56BAD. WE'RE SAYING WE ALSO WANT

2:05:57TO MAKE SURE THE ADVANCEMENTS

2:06:00ARE NOT HAPPENING AT THE EXPENSE

2:06:01OF WORKERS. AS WE'VE SEEN NOT

2:06:04ONLY AT YOUR LOCAL GROCERY

2:06:06STORES WITH THE SELF-CHEOUTS.

2:06:10ATU LEADERS SHARED IN THEIR

2:06:12TESTIFY THAT DON'T BELIEVE

2:06:13AUTOMATION IS GOING TO STOP AT

2:06:15RIDESHARE WORKERS. AND THIS IS

2:06:16NOT A BOOGIE N. THIS IS

2:06:19ACTUALLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER

2:06:20THE PAST YEAR WHEN TECH

2:06:22COMPANIES HAVE COME IN TO

2:06:23MARKETS, COME IN TO CITIES AND

2:06:24THERE'S NOT REGULATIONS IN

2:06:26PLACE.HEY DO DISPLACE. THEY DO

2:06:30EXPLOIT. AND WITHOUT MEASURES L,

2:06:33WE WILL EXPERIENCE THE

2:06:34COLLATERAL AND NEGATIVE IMPACTS

2:06:37OF THOSE TECHNOLOGICAL

2:06:38ADVANCEMENTS AND WHEN THEY'RE

2:06:42NOT REGULATED. I WANT TO MAKE

2:06:43SURE AS A CI, AS A LEADER IN

2:06:45THE CITY, THAT WE'RE NOT

2:06:47ALLOWING FOR ONE FIELD TO B

2:06:49TARGETED IN THIS SETTING THE

2:06:51TERRAIN FOR OTHERS. THEN

2:06:53TOMORROW IT COULD BE WORKERS AT

2:06:54THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA. IT

2:06:56COULD BE OUR ATU DRIVERS, WHICH

2:06:59THIS HAS HAPPENED OF AUTONOMOUS

2:07:01DRIVERS FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT BUSES

2:07:02AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THOSE

2:07:05ARE T THINGS THAT DO LEAD TO

2:07:07DISPLACEMENT OF JOBS. AND THOSE

2:07:09ARE A REAL REALITY WITH CITY

2:07:11LEADERS OR AS CITY LEADERS WE

2:07:12NEED TO CONTEND WITH. AND THIS

2:07:14IS WHAT THIS POLICY AIMS TO DO

2:07:16WHILE GIVING US A YEAR T HAVE

2:07:19FURTHER ROBUST DISCUSSIONS TO

2:07:20GET ONGOING DATA TO WORK WITH

2:07:22OUR STATEWIDE LEADERS TO ALSO

2:07:24MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING

2:07:26EVERYTHING PSIBLE TO SET OUR

2:07:27CITY UP TO BE READY FOR

2:07:29OPERATION BECAUSE CONTRARY TO

2:07:30WHAT WE HEARD TODAY, THERE IS

2:07:32NOTHING READY. WE DON'T HAVE A

2:07:34MEANS TO COLLECT FEES. WE DON'T

2:07:36EVEN KNOW WHAT FEES OUTSIDE OF A

2:07:38BASIC LICENSE THAT THI

2:07:39ORDINANCE ESTABLISHED THE

2:07:40PROTOCOLS FOR. WE DON'T EVEN

2:07:43KNOW WHAT WE WOULD COLLECT. THE

2:07:45CITY HAS NOT DONE ITS WORK TO

2:07:46PREPARE FOR THIS. SO THIS IS

2:07:49ABOUT GIVING US AN INTERIM

2:07:50PROTECTION TO GIVE US THAT TIME

2:07:52TO DEVELOP MORE OF THAT ROBUST

2:07:54FRAMEWORK. AND THAT IS SOMETHING

2:07:55I'M EXCITED TO DO WITH EVERYONE.

2:07:57IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE DEBATE

2:07:59THUS FAR PEOPLE DO WANT TO WEIGH

2:08:01IN ON THIS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE

2:08:03SURE ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE

2:08:05PROTECTED. AND IT'S NOT PITTING

2:08:06ONE GROUP AGAINST ANOTHER

2:08:09BECAUSSO FAR THAT'S WHAT THE

2:08:10RHETORIC HAS SEEMED TO DO. AND I

2:08:12THINK I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD

2:08:14ALL WANT TO MAKE SURE WORKERS

2:08:17ARE NOT DISPLACED. THAT IS

2:08:21SIMPLY THE INTENT OF THIS

2:08:21ORDINANCE. WITH THAT I WILL I

2:08:30THE ITEM HAS BEEN MOTIONED AS

2:08:32APPROVAL RESED. I KNOW THERE

2:08:35WERE QUESTIONS FROM THE CLERK.

2:08:36>> I WOULD SAY YOU MOVED YOUR

2:08:38ITEM. CAN WE GET ANOTHER MOTION

2:08:45APPROVED.

2:08:46>> -- APPROVAL

2:08:47>> SECOND.

2:08:48>> THE ITEM BEFORE US HAS BEEN

2:08:50MOTIONED FOR APPROVAL AND

2:08:51SECONDED. CLERKS, CAN YOU PLEASE

2:08:52CALL THE ROLL ON THIS ITEM.

2:08:55>> COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE.

2:08:57>> AYE.

2:08:59>> WONSLEY.

2:09:00>>AYE.

2:09:01>> RAINVILLE.

2:09:02>> NO.

2:09:03>> VETAW.

2:09:04>> NO.

2:09:05>> WARREN.

2:09:06>> NO.

2:09:07>> OSMAN.

2:09:09>> AYE.

2:09:10>> SHAFFER IS ABSENT.

2:09:12>> STEVENSON.

2:09:13>>AYE.

2:09:14>> CHAVEZ.

2:09:15>> AYE.

2:09:17>> PALMISANO.

2:09:18>> NO.

2:09:18>> VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI.

2:09:20>> AYE.

2:09:20>> ANDHAIR CHOWDHY.

2:09:22>> AYE.

2:09:22>> THERE ARE SEVEN AYES AND FOUR

2:09:26NAYS.

2:09:27>> THAT ITEM CARRIES. I'M

2:09:36ACTUALLY GOING TO MOVE US INTO

2:09:39DISCUSSION. SO THAT STAFF THAT

2:09:40ARE HERE T SPEAK TO THIS ITEM

2:09:42WILL AIVE FOR THE ITEMS, HAVE

2:09:45TIME TO DO SO. AND THEN IF WE

2:09:47HAVE TIME AVAILABLE FOR REPORTS

2:09:50OF THE STANDING COMMIEES AND

2:09:51QUORUM AVAILABLE, WE WILL GO TO

2:09:53THAT AFTER THE RECEIVE AND FILE.

2:09:54NOW WE WILL ENTER OUR DISCUSSION

2:09:56PORTION OF THE AGENDA AND BEGIN

2:09:58WITH ITEM 2 REGARDING THE SPRING

2:10:012026 BROWNFIELD GRANTS. THIS

2:10:03ITEM WAS CONTINUED FROM THE

2:10:07BUSINESS, HOUSING AND ZONING

2:10:08COMMITTEE LA TUESDAY. BUT

2:10:09STAFF WAS NOT AVAILABLE IN

2:10:10CHAMBERS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. I

2:10:12WILL RECOGNIZE OUR STAFFEMBER

2:10:13TODAY TO COME AND PRESENT. WHY

2:10:15DON'T YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND

2:10:16GIVE US ARIEF OVERVIEW.

2:10:18>> YES, MY NAME IS KEVIN

2:10:20RROLL, I'M A PRINCIPLE PROJECT

2:10:23COORDINATOR IN THE BUSINESS

2:10:24DEVELOPMENT DIVISION OF CPED.

2:10:26I'M THE POINT PERSON OF

2:10:27APPLICATIONS THAT THE CITY

2:10:29SUBMITS TO LOCAL BROWNFIELD

2:10:32GRANT TO CLEAN UP CONTAMINATED

2:10:34SIS. WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE

2:10:35AGENDA TODAY IS A REQUEST THAT

2:10:38YOU APPROVE AND ACCEP CERTAIN

2:10:38GRANTS THAT HAVE BEEN AWARDED TO

2:10:39THE CITY. THE CITY'S INVOLVED IN

2:10:43THIS PROCESS BECAUSE MOST OF

2:10:45THESE GRANTORS REQUIRE TT THE

2:10:47APPLICATIONS COME FROM ANOTHER

2:10:49GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. SO IF

2:10:51YOU'RE THE XYZ COMPANY AND YOU

2:10:54WANT GRANT FUNDING, YOU HAVE TO

2:10:57HAVE THE CITY SUBMIT THE

2:10:58APPLICATION FOR YOU. ARRANGES TO

2:10:59GET THE FUNDS PASSED THROUGH TO

2:11:01THE DEVELOPER. SO WHAT WE HAVE

2:11:03HERE, THIS IS FM THE SPRING

2:11:04ROUND OF THIS YEAR. IT SEEMS

2:11:06LIKE IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. BUT

2:11:08IT'S A MULTI-MONTH PROCESS WITH

2:11:12A LONG GESTATIONAL PERIOD. THE

2:11:15PRE-APPLICATION DEADLINE FOR THE

2:11:17CITY WAS BACK IN MARCH. WE GOT A

2:11:21CERTAINUMBER OF APPLICATIONS.

2:11:21WE REVIEWED THEM. I WAS STANDING

2:11:24RE ON APRIL 14, GETTING

2:11:26APPROVAL FROM THE BHZ COMMITTEE.

2:11:29THE GRANTORS ALL REQUIRE A

2:11:30RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT. IN THE

2:11:32MONTHS FROM THEN UNTIL NOW, THE

2:11:34GRANTORS REVIEWED THE

2:11:36APPLICATIONS. THEY MADE THEIR

2:11:37DECISIONS. I WROTE A STAFF

2:11:38REPO. AND BECAUSE THESE ARE

2:11:39AWARDED TO THE CITY, YOU NEED TO

2:11:41TAKE FORMAL ACTION TO ACCEPT

2:11:43THEM. SO WE HAVE SEVEN GRANTS

2:11:45HERE IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF

2:11:53$3,789,602. THERE WERE FIVE

2:11:55PROJECTS INVOLVE IN THIS ROUND.

2:11:56THREE OF THEM WERE HOUSING

2:11:59PROJECTS. ONE WAS A COMMUNITY

2:12:01CENTER AND TENNIS COURTS. AND

2:12:03THEN THE LAST ONE WAS BASICALLY

2:12:05AN APPLICATION FROM A NONPROFIT

2:12:07ORGANIZATION CLED MINNESOTA

2:12:09BROWNFIELDS WHICH AWARDS

2:12:10INVESTIGATION FUNDING FOR

2:12:11PROJECTS MOST OF WHICH ARE IN

2:12:11MINNEAPOLIS. I WANT TO RESPECT

2:12:15THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE AND THE

2:12:17OTHER TOPIC THAT NEEDS TO FOLLOW

2:12:18ME. I CAN GET INTO DETAILS

2:12:20REGARDING THESE PROJECTS. I

2:12:22THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR

2:12:23WITH ALL OF THEM. SOME OF THEM

2:12:26HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS

2:12:27BEFORE. ONE OF THEM IS 250

2:12:31FREMONT AVENUE IN THE HARRISON

2:12:33NEIGHBORHOOD. HOUSING PROJECT,

2:12:38241 AFFORDABLE UNITS. THE

2:12:39REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THAT'S A

2:12:40SHERMAN PROJECT. THEY'RE GOING

2:12:42TO BE 232 UNITS INTO THAT

2:12:43BUILDING. 210 OF WHICH WILL BE

2:12:45AFFORDABLE. AND THEY'RE GNG TO

2:12:47RENOVATE 43,000 SQUARE FEET OF

2:12:50OFFICE AND EVENT SPACE. THE 7

2:12:52POINTS PROJECT AT LAKE AND

2:12:56HENNEPIN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE

2:12:58328 UNITS, 48 WILLE

2:13:00AFFORDABLE. THE NON-HOUSING

2:13:01PROJECT WE HAVE HERE IS INNER

2:13:03CITY TENNIS. THAT'S GOING TO BE

2:13:06A COMMUNITY CENTER AND EIGHT

2:13:09TENNIS COURTS. THE TOTAL

2:13:11DEVELOPMENT VALUE IS

2:13:14$311 MILLION.3.8 MILLION WORTH

2:13:17OF GRANT FUNDING. THE BIG WINNER

2:13:21IN THIS ROUND WAS GRANT

2:13:23EXCHANGE. THERE WERE MULTIPLE

2:13:25THAT WENT TO THE MET COUNCIL.

2:13:28$1.5 MILLN. AND THAT PROJECT

2:13:32ALSO GOT ANOTHER $466,000 FROM

2:13:35HENNEPIN COUNTY. SO WE HOPE THAT

2:13:38YOU SUPPORT THESE GRANTS AND ARE

2:13:39WILLING TO ACCEPT THEM SO WE CAN

2:13:42GET THESE DEVELOPERS TO WORK FOR

2:13:44CLEANING UP THESE SITES FOR THE

2:13:45BENEFIT OF THE CITY.

2:13:46>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR. I

2:13:48WILL GO TO VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI.

2:13:50>> TNK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK

2:13:52YOU, MR. CARROLL, FOR YOUR

2:13:54PATIENCE AS WE WORK THROUGH OUR

2:13:55BUSINESS TO GET TO THESE ITEMS.

2:13:57I HAD ORIGINALLY PULLED THIS IN

2:14:00COMMITTEE. JUST WANTED TO ASK A

2:14:01COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

2:14:03I THINK BROWNFIELD GRANTS AND

2:14:06ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION ARE

2:14:07BOTH EXCELLENT THINGS. I JUST

2:14:10HAD A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT

2:14:14THE SEVEN POINTS REDEVELOPMENT

2:14:15AT LAKE AND HENNEPIN. THE RCA

2:14:19SAYS THAT AWARD IS FOR SOIL

2:14:26REMEDIATION AND VAPOR SYSTEM

2:14:28INSTLATION. CAN YOU JUST TELL

2:14:30ME WHAT'S UP WITH THE SOIL UNDER

2:14:32THE GROUND HERE THAT REQUIRES

2:14:34THIS TYPE OF MEDIATION. SHOULD

2:14:38PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN THE

2:14:43SURRENDERING AREA BE CONCERNED

2:14:45ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THEIR

2:14:46SOIL? YEAH.

2:14:47>> AS FAR AS THE SOIL

2:14:48REMEDIATION IS CONCERNED, AS YOU

2:14:50KNOW, MINNEAPOLIS HAS A LONG

2:14:52INDUSTRIAL LEGACY. THERE HAVE

2:14:53BEEN MULTIPLE USES ON VIRTUALLY

2:14:55EVERY SITE. AND YOU KNOW, WHAT

2:14:57IS NOW A SHOPPING CENTER MAY

2:14:58HAVE BEEN A GAS STATION AT SOME

2:15:00POINT OR A PLATING FACILITY.

2:15:02THERE ARE MANY, MANY DECADES

2:15:04WHEN PEOPLE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND

2:15:05THE IMPACT OF SOME OF THE THINGS

2:15:07THAT THEY WERE BASICALLY PUTTING

2:15:08INTO THE SOIL. THERE WAS A TIME

2:15:10WHEN THEY WOULD DIG A HOLE AND

2:15:13DUMP STUFF INTO IT BECAUSE THAT

2:15:14WAS THE EASIEST WAY TO GET RID

2:15:15OF IT. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY

2:15:18MEAN IT'S AN IMMEDIATE HAZARD TO

2:15:21A NEIGHBORHOOD. IN MANY CASES,

2:15:22WHEN THINGS ARE BUILT ONOP OF

2:15:25IT, YOU'RE PROTECTED FROM IT.

2:15:27BUT ONCE YOU START TEARING DOWN

2:15:28AND GET DOWN TO THE EARTH LEVEL,

2:15:30SOME OF THOSE THINGS GET

2:15:32EXPOSED. T EPA SAYS UNDER

2:15:35THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, IF IT

2:15:37REACHES A CONTAMINATION LEVEL,

2:15:38THEN YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY DIG

2:15:39IT UP AND HAUL I AWAY AND

2:15:42DISPOSE SOMEWHERE. IF YOU'VE

2:15:44DRIVEN BY, YOU SEE LOTS OF

2:15:46ACTIVITY GOING ON. THERE'S LOTS

2:15:49OF EXPOSEDEARTH. SO A LOT OF

2:15:53THAT STUFF NEEDS TO LEAVE. THERE

2:15:55ARE SOMETIMES VAPORS THAT TRAVEL

2:15:57THROUGH THE SOIL. IF YOU HAVE A

2:16:00BASEMENT OR CRAWL SPACE, THOSE

2:16:03VAPORS CAN GET THROUGH THAT. IT

2:16:04CAN WORK ITS WAY UP TO THE

2:16:06OCCUPIED SPACE AND THAT'S

2:16:09DANGEROUS. THEY DRAW THE VAPORS

2:16:11INTO A VENTING SYSTEM AND IT

2:16:13VENTS IT OUT THROUGH THE ROOF

2:16:15WHERE IT'S SAFER. THOSE ARE THE

2:16:17THINGS THAT ARE BEING DONE HERE

2:16:18FOR THAT SITE TO MAKE IT HEALTHY

2:16:20FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR

2:16:21PEOPLE WHO ULTIMATELY WILL LIVE

2:16:22THERE.

2:16:24>> GOTCHA. DO ALL NEW

2:16:27DEVELOPMENTS HAVE VAPOR

2:16:28MITIGATION SYSTEMS OR JUST THE

2:16:31ONES THAT SIT ON CONTAMINATED

2:16:36SOIL?

2:16:37>> I WOULD SAY PROBABLY LESS

2:16:38THAN HALF REQUIRE THEM. BUT IN

2:16:40MINNEAPOLIS, IT'S NOT ONLY

2:16:42WHAT'S ON THE SITE BUT ALSO

2:16:43VAPORS THAT ARE PENETRATING IN

2:16:46LATERALLY FROM OTHER SITES. YOU

2:16:48MAY HAVE HAD A SE THAT'S NEVER

2:16:50HAD AN INDUSTRIAL USE ON IT. BUT

2:16:52TWO BLOCKS AWAY IT MIGHTAVE

2:16:54BEEN A GAS STATION WITH LEAKING

2:16:57TANKS. THAT STUFF MOVES

2:16:58LATERALLY AND CAN GET ON YOUR

2:17:01SITE. THEY DO LOTS AND LOTSF

2:17:05TESTING. THEY SUBMIT EVERYTHING

2:17:07TO THE MPA. OUR JOB IS TO FIND

2:17:09MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.

2:17:11>> GOTCHA. LAST QUESTION. THIS

2:17:13IS THE COMMUNITY THAT I

2:17:15REPRESENT. AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S

2:17:19HEAVY MULTI-FAMILY ACTIVITY

2:17:23HERE. THERE'S COMMERCIAL

2:17:25ACTIVITY HERE AS WELL AS A

2:17:27SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF

2:17:28RESIDENTIAL ACTIVITY IN THIS

2:17:32AREA. SO FOR THE PERSON LIVING

2:17:33IN A TOWNHOME ACROSS THE STREET,

2:17:36ON THE OTHER SE OF THE STREET

2:17:37FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, IF THEY

2:17:39ARE WONDERING WHETHER THE SOIL

2:17:41THAT THEY'RE HOME SITS ON IS

2:17:45ALSO CONMINATED AND THEY JUST

2:17:47HAVE NO IDEA, SHOULD THEY BE

2:17:48WORRIED? IS THAT A REASONABLE

2:17:52THING TO ASSUME?

2:17:54>> IT'S A NATURAL THING TO BE

2:17:55CONCERNED ABOUT. I WILL SAY THE

2:17:58MPCA HAS A PRETTY HANDY SITE. IF

2:18:01YOU GOOGLE MPCA WHAT'S IN MY

2:18:04NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WILL TAKE YOU

2:18:06TO AN INTERACTIVE MAP. ZOOM IN.

2:18:09THERE ARE LITTLE CIRCLES AND

2:18:11SQUARES AND TRIANGLES THERE. IT

2:18:13WILL LEAD YOU TO DOCUMENTS AND

2:18:17IT WILL BE INVESTIGATION

2:18:19REPORTS. IT CAN EVEN BE THE PRO

2:18:27ARE CONSULTANTS THAT YOU CAN

2:18:31HIRE. THEY'RE A MATR OF PUBLIC

2:18:33RECORD. SOMEONE CAN CALL ME UP

2:18:34AND SAY, I LIVE AT THIS SITE.

2:18:36CAN YOU HELP ME FIND OUT IF

2:18:39THERE'S ENVIRONMENTAL RECORDS

2:18:41NEARBY. I'VE GOT A RETIREMENT

2:18:43PENDING IN 73 DAYS. BUT FOR

2:18:47THOSE 73 DAYS, I WILL TALK TO

2:18:50ANYONE WHO CALLS. THERE ARE

2:18:51SOURCES OUT THERE.

2:18:52>> I'LL CERTAINLY GIVE Y A

2:18:54CALL IN THE NEXT 73 DAYS TO TALK

2:18:55ABOUT THIS MORE. THANK YOU, MR.

2:18:57CARROLL. I LEARNED A LOT FROM

2:18:58YOU TODAY. AND I REALLY, REALLY

2:19:01APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I WILL

2:19:02MOVE THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL.

2:19:04MADAM CHAIR.

2:19:04>> SECOND.

2:19:05>> SECOND.

2:19:05>> THAT'S ALL. THANK Y.

2:19:07>> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE'LL GO TO

2:19:11COUNCIL MEMBER WARREN.

2:19:11>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I JUST WANT

2:19:13TO SAY I AM PROUD TO BE

2:19:15SUPPORTING THESE PROJECTS. AND

2:19:18THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THEREAT

2:19:19WORK, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING

2:19:21PATIENT AND FOR BEING HERE AN

2:19:23PRESENT. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO

2:19:25SAY. I WANTED TO MOVE ITORWARD

2:19:27FOR APPROVAL.

2:19:28>> THANK YOU.

2:19:30>> THANK YOU.

2:19:31>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER

2:19:32WARREN. I HAVE MYSELF IN QUEUE.

2:19:33I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU

2:19:34SO MUCH, MR. CARROLL, FOR YOUR

2:19:36WO ON THESE. I ALSO WANT TO

2:19:39JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE

2:19:41TO THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. IS

2:19:42THIS THE LAST TIME YOU'RE GOING

2:19:44TO BE PRESENTING ON BROWNFIELD

2:19:46GRANTS TO US?

2:19:46>> IT MIGHT BE. I WOULD SAY I

2:19:50APPRECIATED THIS OPPORTUNITY

2:19:50TODAY. I WAS LOOKING BACK AND

2:19:53I'VE DE THIS WORK FOR 20 YEARS

2:19:54AND I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER BEEN

2:19:55IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE

2:19:57BEFORE. S YOU'VE GIVEN ME A

2:19:59CHANCE TO CHECK THAT OFF ON MY

2:20:00BUCKET LIST. SO THAT'S GREAT.

2:20:02>> THAT'S WONDERFUL. AND THANK

2:20:04YOU FOR HELPING SECURE MILLIONS

2:20:05OF DLARS TO THE CITY OF

2:20:06MINNEAPOLIS, AND HELPING TO MAKE

2:20:08THESE PROJECTS POSSIBLE. I'LL

2:20:09SHARE WITH THE BODY, I WENT UP

2:20:12TO MR. CARROLL AT THE BEGINNING

2:20:13OF THIS MEETING AND I WAS LIKE,

2:20:15JUST SO YOU KNOW WE WILL HAVE

2:20:18PROBABLY HOURS OF PUBLIC

2:20:20TESTIMONY AND DISCUSSION BEFORE

2:20:21WE GET TO YOUR ITEM. AND HE'S

2:20:23JUST LIKE, I JUST WANT TO RELISH

2:20:26THIS PROCESS AND BE A PART OF

2:20:27IT. AND I THINK THAT'S AN

2:20:30EXTREMELY GREAT TESTAMENT TO

2:20:33PUBLIC SERVICE.

2:20:35>> AS A SEMI-AUTONOMOUS STAFF

2:20:38MEMBER, I ENJOYED THE

2:20:41DISCUSSION.

2:20:42[LAUGHTER]

2:20:42>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, AGAIN, WE

2:20:44REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

2:20:45>> YOU BET.

2:20:46>> AND TODAY, I MEAN, FULLY

2:20:51AUTONOMOUS. ALL RIGHT, CLERKS,

2:20:55WITH THAT, I ACTUALLY -- I DON'T

2:20:56THINK WE NEED TO CAL THE ROLL

2:20:58ON THIS. WE HAVE THE MOTION FOR

2:21:00APPROVAL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY

2:21:02AYE.

2:21:02>> AYE.

2:21:03>> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THAT

2:21:06ITEM CARRIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH,

2:21:08SIR. I'M HEARING ABOUT

2:21:18CHEESECAKE. I'M SORRY, I'M

2:21:18HUNGRY NOW. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON

2:21:24TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3, THE

2:21:27VILLA NOVA PROJECT UNDER THE

2:21:28CITY'S NOAH PROGRAM. THIS ITEM

2:21:31WAS ALSO CONTINUED FROM THE

2:21:34BUSINESS, HOUSING AND ZONING

2:21:35COMMITTEE LASTTUESDAY,

2:21:37SEPTEMBER 2026. AND WE HAVE MR.

2:21:40MAKUNZA TO PRESENT TO US. THANK

2:21:42YOU FOR JOINING US IN OUR

2:21:44CHAMBERS TODAY.

2:21:44>> THANK YOU. THAT'S A TOUGH ACT

2:21:46TO FOLLOW. GD AFTERNOON, CHAIR

2:21:48CHOWDHURY AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

2:21:50MY NAME IS DAVID MAKUNZA. I'M

2:21:54WITH CPED FINANCE TEAM. I'M HERE

2:21:56TO PRESENT ON COUNCIL ACTION

2:21:56RELATED TO THE RELEASE ON

2:22:01MORTGAGE AND RESTRICTIVE

2:22:04COVENANTS. WE FEEL THIS IS THE

2:22:06BEST ACHIEVABLE OUTCOME THAT

2:22:07PROVIDES THE CITY WITH REPAYMENT

2:22:11OF ITS LOAN WHILE RENTAL

2:22:12PROTECTIONS FOR LOW INCOME

2:22:13RESIDENTS. IN 2019, THE CITY

2:22:18PROVIDED A 4.5 MILLION ZERO

2:22:32PERCENT LOAN. SITE CONSISTING OF

2:22:3516 BUILDINGS, 15 IN MINNEAPOLIS

2:22:37AND ONE IN EDINA. THE TOTAL UNIT

2:22:41COUNT WAS 220. AT THE TIME OF

2:22:43THAT ACQUISITION, THERE WAS

2:22:45CONCERN ABOUT INVESTORS

2:22:47PURCHASINGOAH BUILDINGS,

2:22:49RAISING RENTS, AND DISPLACING L

2:22:54PRIORITY. THIS WAS ON THE BACK

2:22:56OF THE TRAGIC DISPLACEMENT OF

2:23:00698 LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS WHEN

2:23:03CROSSROADS AT PENN WAS UPSCALED

2:23:06D REBRANDED AS THE CONCIERGE

2:23:09IN 2015. THAT LED TO 2,000

2:23:13RESIDENTS BEG DISPLACED. THE

2:23:15MINNEAPOLIS PROPERTIES ONCE

2:23:17AGAIN INCLUDE 14 BUILDINGS IN

2:23:19WHIT

2:23:21WHITTIER. THREE BUILDINGS. 11

2:23:23BUILDINGS IN THE LYNDALE AVENUE

2:23:25AND ONE LATED IN ST. ANTHONY

2:23:28EAST NEIGHBORHOOD. THE

2:23:29MINNEAPOLIS BUILDINGS CONSI OF

2:23:31209 RENTAL UNITS, WITH UNITS

2:23:34AFFORDABLE AT 60% AND 80% AREA

2:23:36MEDIAN INCOME. THERE ARE 52

2:23:38UNITS THAT ARE MARKET RATE. THE

2:23:41CITY LOAN AND AFFORDABILITY TERM

2:23:44IS 15 YEARS FROM JULY 12, 2019.

2:23:47WHICH MNS IT WOULD HAVE

2:23:50MATURED NATURALLY ON JULY 12,

2:23:522034. THE ACQUISITION WAS

2:23:53FINANCED THROUGH A COMBINATION

2:23:55OF FREDDY Mac LOAN, NOAH IMPACT

2:24:04FUND, AND THE CITY'S NOAH LOAN.

2:24:07THE PORTFOLIO HAS EXPERIENCED

2:24:09EXTRRDINARY CHALLENGES DUE TO

2:24:13IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH COVID-19

2:24:15PANDEMIC, GEORGE FLOYD MURDER,

2:24:17THE METRO SURGE, RISING

2:24:19OPERATIONAL COSTS, VACANCIES,

2:24:22SECURITY EXPENSES, CAPITAL

2:24:25NEEDS, ANDEPLETED RESERVES. IN

2:24:28AN EFFORT TO STABILIZE AND

2:24:34MAINTAIN OPERATIONS, CONTRIBUTED

2:24:36FUNDS BETWEEN 2024 AND 2025. IT

2:24:38IS PROJECTED TO CONTRIBUTE AN

2:24:41ADDITIONAL 1.6 MILLION BY THE E

2:24:44ADDITIONAL $3.5 MILLION IS

2:24:48PROJECTED BETWEEN 2027 TO 2029.

2:24:51THE FREDDY MACK MORTGAGE WAS

2:24:54TRANSFERRED TO KEY BANK AS A

2:24:57SPECIAL SERVICER WHO IS PURSUING

2:25:02A SPECIAL DISPOSITION.

2:25:05$15.5 MILLION AS OF

2:25:06SEPTEMBER 1ST OF THIS YEAR. A

2:25:08CENT BROKERS OPINION OF VALUE

2:25:12ESTIMATES THE PORTFOLIO'S MEDIA

2:25:19$17.54 MILLION. AFTER THE

2:25:22MORTGAGE AND COSTS ARE PAID,

2:25:24LITTLE OR NO PROCEEDS REMAIN FOR

2:25:25THE CITY. CITY STAFF HAVE

2:25:34DETERMED THAT THERE'S A HIGH

2:25:37RISK OF FORECLOSURE. THE CITY'S

2:25:41SUBORDINATE $4.5 MILLION WOULD

2:25:42BE WIPED O WITH NO POSSIBILITY

2:25:45OF REPAYMENT. AN ORDERLY SALE

2:25:46PROVIDES A MECHANISM TO PREVENT

2:25:51A FORECLOSURE. BASED ON THESE

2:25:55FACTS, WE FEEL THIS IS THE

2:25:56BEST -- AND EXTENDS PROTECTION

2:25:59DURING AN ORDERLY SA. SO STAFF

2:26:03ARE RECOMMENDING THAT -- OUR

2:26:05RECOMMENDATION IS THAT STAFF HAS

2:26:09NEGOTIATED WITH KEY BANK AEON.

2:26:17CI ALSO RECEIVES EXCESS

2:26:19PROCEEDS AFTER KEY BANK IS PAID

2:26:22IN FULL. RENTAL PROTECTION

2:26:24LANGUAGE BELOW WHICH IS

2:26:26EXTENSION OF THE RENTAL

2:26:26PROTECTION CONTAINED IN THE

2:26:28ADVANCED NOTICE OF SALE THAT

2:26:30EXTENDS FROM THREE MONTHS TO SIX

2:26:33MOHS. SHOULD THE RTER BECOME

2:26:35ELIGIBLE FOR RELOCATION

2:26:37ASSISTANCE UNDER THE ADVANCE

2:26:39NOTICE ORDINANCE, AN INCREASE IN

2:26:41PAYMENT FROM THREE TO SIX MONTHS

2:26:45OF THE CURRENT CONTRACT RENT

2:26:47CITY RELEASES ITS MORTGAGE AND

2:26:51AFFORDABILITRESTRICTIONS. AION

2:26:51HAS REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH

2:26:53KEY BANK ON THIS PROPOSAL

2:26:56PENDING CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

2:26:57AND IS ANXIOUS TO MOVE AHEAD.

2:27:01RACHEL ROBINSON FROM AIAN IS

2:27:05PRESENT TODAY. THIS CONCLUDES MY

2:27:07PRESENTATION. AND I STANDOR

2:27:10QUESTIONS.

2:27:10>> THANK YOU FOR THE THOROUGH

2:27:11PRESENTATION. IT'S VERY LPFUL.

2:27:13WE HAVE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS

2:27:14CURRENTLY IN QUEUE. I'LL

2:27:17RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ.

2:27:17>> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHOWDHURY.

2:27:19SO IN SHORT, IT'S MY

2:27:23UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS

2:27:24AGREEMENT PREVENTS THE IMMEDIATE

2:27:27FORECLOSURE. IS THAT CORRECT?

2:27:29>> THAT IS CORRECT. CIR

2:27:35CHOWDHURY, COUNCIL CHAIR CHAVEZ,

2:27:37YES THE PORTFOLIO CONTAINS 16.

2:27:41>> BECAUSE THE PROPERTY VALUE

2:27:45HAS -- WE OUT THE CITY'S

2:27:49$4.5 MILLION LOAN ENTIRELY

2:27:51LEAVING THE CITY WITH $0. I

2:27:53GUESS THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. AND

2:27:54THE DEAL WOULD GUARANTEE THAT

2:27:55THE CITY AT LEAST HAS $100,000

2:28:01IMMEDIATELY PLUS THE LEGAL CLAIM

2:28:03TO - I GUESS THAT'S CORRECT?

2:28:06>> YEAH. CHAIR CHOWDHURY,

2:28:07COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ, THAT I

2:28:08CORRECT.

2:28:11>> OKAY.

2:28:11>> I THINK ALTHOUGH W HAVE

2:28:14RECEIVED THE BROKER'S OPINION OF

2:28:18LUE WHICH ESTIMATES

2:28:21$7.5 MILLION. THAT IS AN

2:28:23ESTIMATE. WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT

2:28:24FIGURE WILLE DIFFERENT FROM

2:28:25THE ACTUAL SALE PROCEEDS.

2:28:28>> AND BEFORE THE BUILDING I

2:28:29SOLD TO A NEW LANDLORD, WOULD

2:28:31FORCE A NEW BUYER TO -- FOR

2:28:33RENTERS LIVING THERE. SIX MONTHS

2:28:36OF ADVANCE NOTICE, INSTEAD OF

2:28:38THREE. AND SHOULD A RENTE

2:28:40BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR RELOCATION

2:28:43ASSISTANCE THAT WOULD GO FROM

2:28:45THREE MONTHS TO SIX MONTHS. I

2:28:46GUESS MY QUESTION HERE IS A

2:28:47COUPLE OF THINGS. WHAT HAPPENS

2:28:50TO THE TENANTS THAT CURRENTLY

2:28:52LIVE THERE AFTER THE SALE? LIKE

2:28:55IS THEIR RENT GOING TO INCREASE?

2:28:57WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE?

2:28:59>> CHAIR CHOWDHURY, CHAIR

2:29:02CHAVEZ, I'LL PROBABLY DEFER THAT

2:29:04QUESTION TO RACHEL ROBINSON FROM

2:29:08AEON. SHE WLD PROBABLY BE

2:29:09BETTER TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

2:29:10>> YES. WELCOME UP AND PLEASE

2:29:12INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE

2:29:13RECORD.

2:29:15>> THANK YOU. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF

2:29:17THE COMMITTEE, MY NAME IS RACHEL

2:29:21ROBINSON. I'M THE PRESIDENT AND

2:29:22CEO OF AEON WHERE I'VE BEEN FOR

2:29:27ABOUT SIX MONTHS. AND WHAT

2:29:29HAPPENS IN A SALE BECAUSE WE ARE

2:29:30BOTH A BUYER AND SOMETIMES A

2:29:32SELLER. MORE FREQUENTLY A BUYER.

2:29:35RENTERS IN THESE PROPERTIES

2:29:39REMAIN RENTERS. THERE'S A

2:29:46DOCUMENT -- WE EXPECT BUYERS IN

2:29:49THIS MARKET ARE LOOKI TO HAVE

2:29:53A SLICE OF THE COMMUNI AND A

2:29:56LOT OF ENTREPRENEURS WHO ARE

2:29:57BUYING RIGHT NOW ARE LOOKING TO

2:29:58CONTINUE TO BE A HOUSING

2:30:00PROVIDER. AND WE CONTINUE TO

2:30:07RENT. WOULDE FOLLOWING THE

2:30:08EXTRA, THE DOUBLING OF THE TIME

2:30:11PERIOD.

2:30:11>> WILLHE NEW BUYER BE ALLOWED

2:30:15TO IMMEDIATELY RAISE RENTS TO

2:30:18MARKET RATE OR PROTECT THEM FROM

2:30:20THIS IN THE SHORT TERM?

2:30:21>> I BELIEVE THAT'S A QUESTION

2:30:22FOR STAFF ON THE ORDINANCE,

2:30:24ITSELF BECAUSE WE ARE EXTENDING

2:30:27THE PROTECTIONS UNDER A CITY

2:30:29ORDINANCE.

2:30:31>> CHAIR CHOWDHURY, COUNCIL

2:30:32MEMBER CHAVEZ THEY WOULDN'T BE

2:30:35ABLE TO RAISE RENTS DURING THAT

2:30:36RENTAL PROTECTION PERIOD FOR

2:30:37THAT PERIOD OF THREE MONTHS. THE

2:30:39ORDINANCE PROVIDES FOR THREE

2:30:41MONTHS, BU WE NEGOTIATED SIX

2:30:43MONTHS TO JUST PREVENT ANY

2:30:47IMPACT ON THE LOW INCOME

2:30:48RESIDENTS.

2:30:51>> OKAY. AND THEN WHO IS GOING

2:30:53TO HELP THE RESIDEN NAVIGATE

2:30:55THE TRANSITION? IS IT AEON?

2:30:59OKAY.

2:30:59>> AEON, PART OF WHAT WE'RE

2:31:03PROPOSING AS PART OF THE SALE,

2:31:04THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, TO

2:31:06BE THERE. T BE THE MANAGER WHO

2:31:08HANDS THE KEYS TO THE NT

2:31:09MANAGER. IT'S A TRANSITION.

2:31:11AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN ONOTH SIDES

2:31:12OF IN THE PAST AND IS IMPORTANT

2:31:15TO US. SO I'VE ALSO BEEN IN

2:31:17TOUCH WITH THE TWO LARGER

2:31:19NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS. WHITTIER

2:31:21WHERE I THINK THREE OF THE FOUR

2:31:23BUILDINGS ARE, AS WELL AS

2:31:24LYNDALE. WE'LL WORK ON GETTING

2:31:26SOME TIME TOGETHER WITH THEM TO

2:31:27SUPPORT THE RESIDENTS OF THEIR

2:31:28COMMUNITIES AS WL.

2:31:28>> OKAY. THE LAST QUESTION I'LL

2:31:31ASK, AND THIS CAN BE A FOLLOW UP

2:31:34IS ON THE RCA IT SAYS THE CITY

2:31:38ACCEPTS $100,000 OF PAYMENT AND

2:31:42RELEASES ITS MORTGAGE BOTH NOAH

2:31:45AND 4D I KNOW YOU'VE TALKED A

2:31:46LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. BUT A

2:31:50FOLLOW UP MEMO ON WHAT EXACTLY

2:31:53RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE REMOVED

2:31:55WITH THIS AND ANY POTENTIAL

2:31:56IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS. THOSE

2:31:59ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS TODAY.

2:32:01>> THANK YOU. NEXT, WILL

2:32:03RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER

2:32:04STEVENSON.

2:32:04>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. YEAH, I

2:32:10HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. FIRST, IS

2:32:11HOW ARE WE GOING TO ENFORCE OUR

2:32:16PROTECTIONS AFTER WE'VE GOTTEN

2:32:17RID OF OUR STAKE IN THE

2:32:19PROPERTY?

2:32:20>> SO THE ORDINANCE IS SEPARATE

2:32:24FROM OUR LOAN COVENANTS. THAT

2:32:30ORDINANCE SUPERCEDES THE LOAN

2:32:31COVENANTS THAT A THERE. SO

2:32:34ONCE WE RELEASE OUR COVENANTS TO

2:32:35ALLOW THIS SALE, THEN THOSE

2:32:38RENTAL PROTECTIONS ORDINANCES

2:32:39WILL BE AT PLACE ONCE THE SALE

2:32:42STARTS TO -- WHEN THE SALE OF

2:32:44TRANSACTION TAKES PLACE, THAT'S

2:32:46WHEN THE RENTAL PROTECTION

2:32:47AGREEMENTS WILL KICK IN.

2:32:49>> I GUESS I'M NOT

2:32:51UNDERSTANDING. I THOUGHT

2:32:52SOMEBODY SAID THERE WAS AN

2:32:53ENHANCED PROTECTIONS THAT THESE

2:32:55PARTICULAR RENTERS WOULD BE

2:32:57GETTING. WHAT IS THA AND HOW

2:32:59WOULD WE BE ENFORCING THAT OVER

2:33:01AND ABOVE THE ORDINANCE?

2:33:05>> I'LL HAVE TO RESERVE MY

2:33:07ANSWER MAYBE COME BACK TO YOU ON

2:33:09THAT. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC

2:33:10ANSWER FORHAT.

2:33:11>> OKAY. WHAT HAPPENS IF WE

2:33:18DON'T DO THIS?

2:33:20>> WELL CHAIR CHOWDHURY, COUNCIL

2:33:22MEMBER STEVENSON, IF WE DON'T DO

2:33:23THIS, THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS

2:33:25AVAILABLE TO US. THERE IS THE

2:33:28RECLOSURE ROUTE, WHICH WILL

2:33:29WIPE OUT OUR DEBT. THE BANK, THE

2:33:33KEY BANK, THE FIRST MORTGAGE

2:33:35LENDER, THEIR MOTIVATION IS

2:33:36OBVIOUSLY TO GET THEIR MONEY

2:33:37BACK. I DON'T THINK THEY'LL HAVE

2:33:38ANY INTEREST IN PROTECTING THOSE

2:33:41LOW INCOME RESIDENTS. SO THIS

2:33:44SORT OF PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY.

2:33:47AND I KNOW MAYBE YOU'RE

2:33:48COMPARING THE $4.5 MILLION THAT

2:33:51CITY INVESTED, AND THE $100,000

2:33:54UPFRONT PAYMENT THAT WE ARE

2:33:56GOING TO RECEIVE. BUT IT ALSO

2:33:59PRESERVES OPPORTUNITY IF THE

2:34:02SALE PROCEEDS ARE QUITE HIGH, IT

2:34:05PRESERVES THE CITY TO GET A HUGE

2:34:07CHUNK OF ITS LOAN REPAID. SO

2:34:09THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS HERE FOR

2:34:12US. EITHER WE, IF YOU DO NOT

2:34:18APPROVE IT, THEN THE FIRST

2:34:19MORTGAGE MAY DECIDE TO FORECLOSE

2:34:23AT ANY TIME.

2:34:27>> I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WOULD

2:34:29HAPPEN IF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.

2:34:33SO IF WE DID NOT APPROVE THIS

2:34:36THEN THE ENHANCED PROTECTIONS

2:34:40THAT YOU'V TALKED ABOUT THAT --

2:34:41ACTUALLY LET ME NOTE THAT FOR A

2:34:43STAFF FOLLOW UP WHAT HE HAD SAI

2:34:45BEFORE THAT HE WAS GOING TO

2:34:46FOLLOW UP WITH HOW THE ENHANCED

2:34:49PROTECTIONS WERE GOING TO BE

2:34:51ENFORCED SLASHED WHAT THEY WERE.

2:34:53SO IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS, THEN W

2:34:59WOULD NOT HAVE THOSE ENHANCED

2:35:01PROTECTIONS, ANDB, WE WOULD NOT

2:35:03HAVE ANY POWER OVER AND ABOVE O

2:35:08PROPERTIES.

2:35:08>> I THINK, CHAIR CHOWDHURY,

2:35:14COUNCIL MEMBER STEVENSON, THOSE

2:35:17RENTAL PROTECTION AGREEMENTS

2:35:18TRIGGER WHEN THERE'S A SALE. SO

2:35:20IF THE PROPERTY MEETS OUR

2:35:24AFFORDABILITY HOUSING IN THE

2:35:25ORDINANCE, THEN THOSE RENTAL

2:35:27PROTECTIONS WOULD KICK IN. SO

2:35:30WHAT DO THEY KIC IN? IT MEANS

2:35:33THAT IF A TENANT, THEIR LEASE IS

2:35:34NOT RENEWED, THEY'RE A LOW

2:35:37INCOME TENANT. THEY'RE NOT

2:35:39RENEWED WITHOUT ANY CAUSE, THEIR

2:35:41RENTS ARE INCREASED WITHOUT ANY

2:35:43REASONS BY THE LANDLORDS. THAT

2:35:45IS THERE TO PROTECT THOSE

2:35:47TENANTS FOR THAT REASON. IT'S

2:35:50CURRENTLY AT THREE MONTHS. BUT

2:35:52WHEN WE NEGOTIATED, WE SUGGESTED

2:35:54SIX MONTHS TO EXTEND IT.

2:35:56>> YEAH, OKAY. ONE NOTE, THIS IS

2:36:01IS ABOUT ONE SQUARE BLOCK IN MY

2:36:04WARD. A LITTLE BIT LESS, I

2:36:08THINK. BUT YE, AND IT'S 140ISH

2:36:12SOMETHING, I DON'T REMEMBER THE

2:36:13EXACT NUMBER, UNITS OVERALL. I'M

2:36:17THANKFUL TO AEON FOR REACHING

2:36:18OUT AND TALKING ME THROUGH THIS

2:36:20AND ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS ON

2:36:21THIS. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE

2:36:22BEEN ABLE TO HEAR ABOUT THIS A

2:36:25LITTLE SOONER AND HEAR THE STAFF

2:36:27PERSPECTIVE A LITTLE SOONER

2:36:29DIRECTLY JUST BECAUSE IT IS SUCH

2:36:31A BIG IMPACT IN THE LYNDALE

2:36:33NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH, I FEEL LIKE

2:36:35MAYBE I COULD HAVE MARSHALLED

2:36:37SOME OTHER TYPE OF RESOURCE. YOU

2:36:39KNOW,AYBE NOT CITY RESOURCE

2:36:41BUT SOMETHING. BECAUSE THIS

2:36:42WAS -- THIS IS A BIG DEAL. THIS

2:36:44IS GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL FOR A

2:36:46LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY WARD. YEAH,

2:36:48I REALL HATE TO SEE THIS. I

2:36:51UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE

2:36:54MONEY ISN'T THERE FOR AEON TO

2:36:55KEEP DOING THIS. BUT THIS IS

2:36:58REALLY A BAD THING THAT'S

2:36:59HAPPENING. IT'S QUITE BAD. YEAH.

2:37:07SO I GUESS I'M INTERESTED TO

2:37:09HAVE THE FOLLOW UP FROM STAFF

2:37:11AND THEN JUST NOTE THAT LIKE IF

2:37:13SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS, YOU

2:37:14KNOW, IN MY AREA AGAIN, I REALLY

2:37:17NEED TO HEAR ABOUT IT SOONER SO

2:37:18THAT I CAN TRY AND DO SOMETHING

2:37:20ABOUT THIS. BECAUSE THIS IS

2:37:22GOING TO HAVE A MAJOR AFFT ON

2:37:23A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY.

2:37:27YEAH. THANK YOU.

2:37:29>> NEXT IS COUNCIL MEMBER

2:37:31WARREN.

2:37:35>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU

2:37:36SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND BEING

2:37:37PRESENT AND ANSWERING THESE

2:37:39QUESTIONS. I DO UNDERSTAND THIS

2:37:46PROCESS. MY QUESTION IS DO YOU

2:37:50HAVE A NEW BUYER I MIND YET OR

2:37:54HOW IS THIS PERSON BEING VETTED

2:37:57INTO THE OPPORTUNITY TO MANAGE

2:38:03AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND KEEP AND

2:38:04MAINTAIN IT AS AFFORDABLE

2:38:07HOUSING HERE FOR OUR CITY. WHERE

2:38:08ARE YOU SCOUTING THIS PERSON

2:38:13FROM TO TAKE OVER THIS

2:38:16PORTFOLIO?

2:38:18>> CHAIR CHOWDHURY, COUNCIL

2:38:19MEMBER WARREN, I'LL JUST SAY

2:38:20THAT THIS IS A SCATTERED SITE.

2:38:23AND I'LL LET RACHEL FROM AEON

2:38:26EXPOUND ON IT. I THINK A

2:38:28SCATTERED SITE IS PROBABLY

2:38:30PROBLEMATIC FROM A PROPERT

2:38:31MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE. AND I

2:38:33THINK THE DISCUSSION WE HAVE HAD

2:38:34SO FAR WITH THEM HE BEEN THAT

2:38:37THEY WOULD PREFER TO HAVE MORE

2:38:39EMERNG DEVELOPERS ACQUIRE SORT

2:38:42OF PROPERTIES BY PIECEMEAL AS O

2:38:45THE PORTFOLIO. BUT I'LL LET HER

2:38:48YBE EXPOUND ON THAT MORE.

2:38:50>> SO YOU SAID THEY WOULD LIKE

2:38:51TO HAVE MORE EMERGING

2:38:53DEVELOPERS. AND WHAT I'M

2:38:55CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHAT IS THE

2:38:57VETTING PROCESS FOR THESE

2:38:59DEVELOPERS? WHAT QUALIFICATIONS

2:39:00IS I THAT THEY NEED TO COME

2:39:06FROM IN MANAGING INDIVIDUALS WHO

2:39:08A LOT OF TIMES WER LIVING IN

2:39:11AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY'RE IN

2:39:14TRANSITIONAL PERIODS OF THEIR

2:39:14LIFE OR JUST COMING OUT OF

2:39:17HOMELESSNESS, EXPERIENCING SOME

2:39:18DIFFERENT FINANCIAL BARRIERS OR

2:39:20WHAT HAVE YOU. AEON IS AN AMAZI

2:39:23PROVIDER. AND SO I JUST WANT TO

2:39:26MAKE SURE THAT WHOMEVER IS

2:39:28WHETHER THEY'RE PIECEMEALING IT,

2:39:30DOING WHATEVER, WHOEVER THESE

2:39:31PEOPLE ARE, WE DON'T WANT

2:39:33ANOTHER MBS SITUATION, RIGHT?

2:39:36WHERE WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS NOT

2:39:40GOING TO DO RIGHT BY, AGAIN, OUR

2:39:43MOST VULNERABLE POPULATION. SO

2:39:45THINKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE

2:39:48SUPPORTING THOSE RESIDENTS.

2:39:49WHERE WE'RE FINDING THESE PEOPLE

2:39:51FROM. WHETHER THEY HAVE THE

2:39:53SKILLS, QUALIFICATIONS, AND THE

2:39:57ABILITY TO MANAGE AND

2:39:59MAINTENANCE INDIVIDUALS WHO COME

2:40:00FROM DIFFENT BACKGROUNDS AND

2:40:01WALKS OF LIFE AND HAVE

2:40:03UNDERSTANDING ON THIS IS NOT A

2:40:05MEAL TICKET, YOU KNOW, WHERE I'M

2:40:08JUST GOING INTO AN AFFORDABLE

2:40:10HOUSING OPPORTUNITY TO GET RICH

2:40:11BECAUSE I GOT A COUPLE OF

2:40:13DOLLARS FROM MY GREAT-GRANDDADDY

2:40:16OR SOMETHING. BUT I'M REALLY

2:40:17HERE TO HELP PEOPLE TYPE OF

2:40:19SITUATION. YOU KINDA KNOW WHAT

2:40:20I'M SAYING? LIKE I WANT TO MAKE

2:40:22SURE HOW ARE WE FINDING THOSE

2:40:24PEOPLE.

2:40:25>> CHAIR CHOWDHURY, COUNCIL

2:40:26MEMBER WARREN, I'LL DEFER THAT

2:40:28QUESTION, SPECIFIC QUESTION TO

2:40:29RACHEL FROM AEON.

2:40:30>> OKAY. COME ON, RACHEL. HOW

2:40:32ARE YOU DOING, GIRL?

2:40:33>> THANK YOUO MUCH FOR THE

2:40:36QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER. AND

2:40:37IT'S ONE I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO.

2:40:39AGAIN, RACHEL ANDERSON FROM

2:40:41AEON. ONE OF THE AMAZING THINGS

2:40:43TO WATCH IN THE TWIN CITIES OVER

2:40:47THE LAST DECADE IS INTERMEDIARY

2:40:50AND PARTNERS HAVE DONE TO CREATE

2:40:52AND SUPPORT COHORTS AND CREATE

2:40:54CREDIT OPPORTUNITIES FOR

2:40:55DEVELOPERS PRIMARILY OF COR

2:40:56WHO ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE

2:40:58INTERESTED IN DOING REAL ESTATE

2:41:01DEVELOPMENT AS ENTREPRENEURS.

2:41:03THAT INCLUDES MINNESOTA HOUSING

2:41:07FUND, MHP AND LISK AMONG MANY.

2:41:12WE KNOW THE GROD IS RICH WITH

2:41:14A LOT OF BUYERS WHO THEY'RE NOT

2:41:15GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET CREDIT

2:41:21TO DO $16 MILLION, $17 MILLION

2:41:22IN ONE PURCHASE. BUT THAT ONE

2:41:23BUILDING OR TWO BUILDING ONE OR

2:41:27$2 MILLION INVESTMENT IS THE

2:41:28RIGHT SIZE AND SELF-PERFORM A

2:41:29LOT OF THE WORK. WE CAN'T CHOOSE

2:41:31BUYERS AHEAD OF PUTTING THE

2:41:33PROPERTY UP FOR SALE. BUT IN

2:41:35COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, WE TAKE

2:41:37THE BEST QUALIFIED BUYER, AND

2:41:39THE BEST QUALIFIED BUYERS IN OUR

2:41:42MARKET RIGHT NOW ARE THE COHORT

2:41:44OF DEVELOPERS. PEOPLE ARE

2:41:45GETTING IN THE REAL ESTATE

2:41:47DEVELOPMT BUSINESS. WE'RE

2:41:48REALITY GOING TO HIT THE GROUND

2:41:50AS PART OF WHAT WE'VE OFFERED

2:41:51THE LENDER IN GTING THEM TO

2:41:53PUT A DEAL ON THE TABLE THAT

2:41:55ALLOWS THIS SALE. WE'VE ALREADY

2:41:57TALKED TO A LOT OF THESE

2:41:59INTERMEDIARIES A SOME OF THE

2:42:00POTENTIAL BUYERS TO SAY, YOU

2:42:02KNOW, WHEN THESE COME UP FOR

2:42:03SALE, WE'RE GOING TO WORK HARD

2:42:05TO MAKE SURE YOU GET A GOOD

2:42:07LOOK.

2:42:07THAT'S WHO WE WOULD EECT TO

2:42:09SEE IN THE BUYING MARKET AND

2:42:11HOPE TO SEE. THERE'S JUST A LOT

2:42:15OF CREDIT LINED UP BEHIND THOSE

2:42:16ENTREPRENEURS RIGH NOW.

2:42:17>> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT,

2:42:19RACHEL. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THIS

2:42:21FOR APPROVAL.

2:42:22>> IS THERE A SECOND?

2:42:25>> SECOND.

2:42:28>> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE IN

2:42:31QUEUE COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY.

2:42:32>> THANK YOU, CHAIR OWDHURY. I

2:42:35ST HAD A QUESTION FOR OUR

2:42:35STAFF. DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL

2:42:39LIKE FINANCING EITHER THROUGH

2:42:41NOAH WITH AEON AS WELL THAT WE

2:42:45MIGHT HAVE TO CONSIDERN THE

2:42:47FUTURE?

2:42:48>> CHAIR CHOWDHURY, COUNCIL

2:42:49MEMBER WONSLEY, I DO NOT BELIEVE

2:42:52WE DO. BUT I MIGHT ASK MY

2:42:56MANAGER TO MAYBE SHED SOME MORE

2:42:57LIGHT. THANK YOU.

2:42:58>> MM-HMM.

2:43:03>> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND

2:43:05COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, I'M AMY

2:43:07GUISELER, I WORK WITH DAVID. AND

2:43:09COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, YOUR

2:43:10QUESTION WAS DO WE HAVE OTHER

2:43:13NOAH PRESERVATION LOAN FUNDS

2:43:15WITH ANY OTHER AEON PROJECTS.

2:43:16E ANSWER IS NO.

2:43:17>> OKAY.

2:43:19>> WE DO HAVE OTHER LOANS

2:43:23THROUGH OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING

2:43:23TRUST FUND WITH AEON.

2:43:26>> CAN I GET A STAFF MEMO FOLLOW

2:43:29UP WITH WHAT THOSE ARE JUST

2:43:30THROUGH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING

2:43:31TRUST. AND NEXT PIECE IS JUST

2:43:34FOR CHARITY. JUST FOLLOWING UP

2:43:37ON COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ

2:43:38QUESTIONTO BE CLEAR, THE

2:43:39RENTER PROTECTIONS THAT YOU HAVE

2:43:41NEGOTIATED IN PLACE, THOSE WILL

2:43:44ESSENTIALLY EXPIRE AFTER SIX

2:43:46MONTHSITH THE NEW BUYER,

2:43:48THAT'S CORRECT, RIGHT? OKAY. SO

2:43:49WE HAVE NO CLUE. AND THIS IS

2:43:52SPECIFICALLY FOR AEON THEN. CAN

2:43:53YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT I

2:43:56KNOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING

2:44:01PROVIDERS ARE STRUGGLING

2:44:03OVERALL. HOW MUCH OF YOUR

2:44:05PORTFOLIO HAVE YOU HAD TO SELL

2:44:07OFF IN THE PAS TWO TO THREE

2:44:10YEARS?

2:44:10>> YEAH, SO FORAEON, WE'VE BEEN

2:44:13A DEVELOPER FOR 40 YEARS. WE'VE

2:44:15TRADITIONALLY BEEN IN THAT

2:44:19TRADITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

2:44:21OVER THOSE 40 YEARS HAVE BUILT

2:44:23UP A PORTFOLIO THAT WE'RE VERY

2:44:25PROUD OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. IN

2:44:272016, AEON, I W NOT THERE, BUT

2:44:30ANSWERED THE CALL AROUND THIS

2:44:35NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE

2:44:36HOUS

2:44:36HOUSING.

2:44:36THE UPWARD PRESSURE ON PROPERTY

2:44:37VALUES THAT WAS REALLY

2:44:38THREATENING TO DISPLACE PEOPLE

2:44:41WHO PAID THE RENT AT A PRETTY

2:44:47DECENT -- AEON USED A LOT OF

2:44:50PRIVATE DEBT AND PRIVATE EQUITY.

2:44:52AND SOME OF THOSE NOAH

2:44:54VELOPMENTS INCDED A VERY

2:44:56LARGE 440-COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

2:44:59IN RICHFIELD. BLOOMINGTON. THOSE

2:45:01ARE THRIVING. AND AEON SEES A

2:45:03LONGUTURE WITH THOSE

2:45:05DEVELOPMENTS. WE'VE ALSO HAD

2:45:06SOMEWHERE AS THE DEBT AND THE

2:45:08EQUITY INVESTMENTS CAME DUE

2:45:10WHICH IS IN THE SHORT-TERM,

2:45:15SEVEN-EIGHT-YEAR CYCLES. WE

2:45:16DI'T HAVE A WAY TO PAY BACK SO

2:45:18DID SELL. BUT DID VET THE

2:45:29LLERS. NOW WITH ME IN PLACE AS

2:45:30LEADERSHIP, WE HAVE A FEW

2:45:32HUNDRED MORE THAT ARE SORT OF

2:45:33ALREADY IN PLAY TO SELL THAT ARE

2:45:35ALREADY NOAH. BUT IT IS PART OF

2:45:39MY VISION AND FUTURE OF THE

2:45:43ORGANIZATION THAT WE WILL

2:45:44CONTINUE TO PRESERVE A OWN. IN

2:45:47MINNEAPOLIS, WE HAVE NO OTHER

2:45:49NOAH. WE HAVE EXTENVE AMOUNT

2:45:52OF TAX CREDIT AND SECTION 8

2:45:55DEVELOPMENTS. WE HAVE GOOD

2:45:57PROSPECTS FOR CONTINUING TO

2:45:58PRESERVE.

2:45:58>> THANKOU FOR THAT. I WILL

2:46:02CONTINUE DISCUSSION THEN WITH

2:46:052050. I KNO COUNCIL MEMBER

2:46:08CHOWDHURY. I DO THINK THE

2:46:10CRIPPLING OF OUR NOAH SECTOR

2:46:13WHICH WAS PREACHED AS A CRITICAL

2:46:16COMPONENT OF OUR HOUSING MODEL.

2:46:18AS THAT'S COLLAPSING AND WE'RE

2:46:20HAVING TO SEE PROVIDERS SELL

2:46:23THOSE OFF. WHAT DOES THA MEAN

2:46:26FOR RESIDENTS? EVEN AFTER

2:46:29NEGOTIATIONS WE DO HAVE IN PLAY.

2:46:30IF THOSE ARE SOLD OFF TO OTHER

2:46:32PRIVATE BURS, ESSENTIALLY

2:46:34THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS ARE STILL

2:46:35LEFT WITHOUT PROTECTIONSFTER

2:46:37THEY EXPIRE. SO WHAT DOES THAT

2:46:39MEAN FOR HOUSING MARKET IN THE

2:46:43NEED TO DO TO BE RESPONSIVE TO

2:46:45THAT IF OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING

2:46:47PROVIDERS ARE GOING TO BE MOVING

2:46:49FORWARD IN THE DIRECTION OF

2:46:51HAVING TO SELL OFF MORE

2:46:53AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJTS. I

2:46:55JUST WANTED TO NAME THAT AS A

2:46:57CONCERN. YEAH, THAT'S ALL ON MY

2:46:59END.

2:46:59>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER

2:47:00WONSLEY. NEXT, WE'LL GO TO

2:47:03COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE.

2:47:04>> THANK YOU. MS. GUISER, I DO

2:47:09HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT HAPPENED

2:47:10TO THE REVENUES IN THIS PROJECT

2:47:12THAT IT WENT SOUTH? WHY IS TS

2:47:15PROJECT FAILING?

2:47:21>> CHAIR CHOWDHURY, COUNCIL

2:47:22MEMBER RAINVILLE, THE REASON

2:47:23THAT I WOULD SAY IT'S FAILING IS

2:47:24JUST BECAUSE THERE IS A

2:47:31STRUCTURAL DISCONNECT BETWEEN

2:47:32ACTUAL REVENUE THA IS BEING

2:47:34CEIVED, POTENTIAL REVENUE THAT

2:47:35IS BEING RECEIVED AND ACTUA

2:47:38EXPENDITURE. WE HAVE MAINTENANCE

2:47:40COSTS THAT WERE NOT FORESEEN

2:47:42BECAUSE OF THE INFLATIONARY

2:47:45ESSURES THAT WE'RE FACING.

2:47:48UTILITIES HAVE ALSO GONE UP. BUT

2:47:50ALSO, THERE'S A HIGH VACANCY

2:47:52RATE IN THAT PORTFOLIO THAT IS

2:47:55ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THAT.

2:47:56>> TO BE CLEAR, HIGH VACANCY

2:48:00RATE, INCREASED COSTS OF

2:48:01REPAIRS. I IMAGINE YOU HAVE TO

2:48:03PAY YOUR MANAGERS MORE. MORE

2:48:05SECURITY COSTS?

2:48:06>> YES.

2:48:06>> OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I SHARE

2:48:11THE CONCERN FROM COUNCIL MEMBER

2:48:13WONSLEY THAT ARE THERE OTHER

2:48:14PROJECTS IN THE CITY WHERE WE'RE

2:48:15GOING TO SEE THIS? I REMEMBER

2:48:18DR. JOHNSON WHEN HE WAS WITH

2:48:20AEON, HE CAME TO US. THIS WAS

2:48:22HIS PREDICTION THREE YEARS AGO

2:48:24TH BECAUSE OF THESE RISING

2:48:26COSTS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO

2:48:27START SELLING OUT THEIRUNITS.

2:48:30AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S WHAT'S

2:48:31COMING TO PASS NOW. WE'VE KNOWN

2:48:32ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE. PERHAPS

2:48:34WE NEED TO RESTUDY THIS. THANK

2:48:35YOU.

2:48:40>> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE VICE

2:48:47PRESIDENT OSMAN.

2:48:48>> I REMEMBER PPL DID ALMOST

2:48:52SIMILAR THING BUT WE GOT, IF I'M

2:48:54NOT WRONG, WE GOT 10 YEARS OUT

2:48:56OF IT. HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT?

2:49:00>> THA YOU, CHA CHOWDHURY,

2:49:04COUNCIL MEMBER OSMAN. SO THE

2:49:06PROJECT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT WITH

2:49:07PPL, THAT'S THEIR JSI PROJECT

2:49:10WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN DOI

2:49:11SIMILAR DISPOSITION OF SCATTERED

2:49:15SITE PROPERTIES. MUCH SMALLER

2:49:17PROPERTIES COMPARED TO AEON'S

2:49:22PORTFOLIO. DUPLEXES, FOURPLEXES

2:49:26AND SIX PLEXES. PPL HAS BEEN

2:49:28WORKING THROUGH A DISTRIBUTION

2:49:29STRATEGY. IT'S A MUCH SMALLER

2:49:31PORTF

2:49:34PORTFOLIO. THEY DID NOT HAVE --

2:49:39HOLDER THAT IS EXPECTING A

2:49:40MORTGAGE PAYMENT EVERY MONTH. SO

2:49:42THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT SAME DEBT

2:49:44PRESSURE THAT AEON'S PORTFOLIO

2:49:48IS FACING. IN THE PPL THAT

2:49:50YOU'RE REFERENCING, THEY CAME TO

2:49:52THE CITY. THEY WERE LOOKING FOR

2:49:54SOME DEBT MODIFICATION. WE

2:49:58APPROVED THAT. WE EXPLORED THAT.

2:49:59THAT WAS ONE OF THE EARLIEST

2:50:02THGS WE EXPLORED WITH AEON AND

2:50:03KEY BANK WAS THERE AN

2:50:05OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND

2:50:06AFFORDABILITY HERE, LEAVE IN THE

2:50:07CITY FUNDS. THAT'S KIND OF OUR

2:50:11GO-TO STRATEGY FOR DEBT

2:50:13MODIFICATION REQUEST AT LEAST TO

2:50:15START WITH. THAT WAS

2:50:18UNACCEPTABLE TO KEY BANK I THI

2:50:19IS FAIR TO SAY. THERE WAS NO

2:50:21INTEREST IN PURSUING THAT. JUST

2:50:23IN THIS SITUATION WHERE WE ARE

2:50:26NEGOTIATING WITH A MORTGAGE

2:50:27NDER NOT IN MINNESOTA, NOT A

2:50:30LOCAL BANK THAT WE DO BUSINESS

2:50:31WITH, WE JUST DON'T HAVE A LOT

2:50:33OF LEVERAGE. OUR OPTIONS ARE

2:50:34LIMITED TO FORECLOSURE, AS DAVID

2:50:36TALKED ABOUT, OR THE KIND OF

2:50:37WORK OUT THAT IS IN THE STAFF

2:50:39RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WE BELIEVE

2:50:40IS THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO WITH

2:50:42OUR, AGAIN, VERY LIMITED OPTIONS

2:50:46GIVEN OUR POSITION.

2:50:47>> THOSE WERE SCATTERED SITES.

2:50:49THIS IS ALSO SCATTERED SITES AS

2:50:53WELL?

2:50:54>> YES.

2:50:55>> AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THE

2:50:56LOANER OR T BANK?

2:50:59>> YES. CHAIR CHOWDHURY, COUNCIL

2:51:01MEMBER OSMAN, THE KEY DIFFERENCE

2:51:03I WOULD SAY ARE THE PRESENCE OF

2:51:05A FIRST MORTGAGE THAT MUST BE

2:51:06PAID. THE SIZE OF THE PORTFOLIO.

2:51:08THOSE ARE REALLY THE TWO BIG

2:51:10DRIVING FACTORS HERE. BECAUSE

2:51:12THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES

2:51:13STRUGGLING WITH SIMILAR

2:51:15OPERATING CHALLENGES, SECURITY,

2:51:17REHAB NEEDS. THAT'S NOT UNIQUE

2:51:18TO AEON'S PORTFOLIO. BUT AGAIN,

2:51:20THE SIZE OF THE FIRST MORTGAGE

2:51:23AND JUST OUR LIMITED ABILITY TO

2:51:24NEGOTIATE.

2:51:27>> SURE. I THINK THE PPL I'M

2:51:30TALKING ABOUT, WE GOT 10 YEARS

2:51:33OF LOCKED IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

2:51:35THEY KEEP THE RENT THE SAME WAY

2:51:37IF A NEW BUYER COMES IN. AS I

2:51:39REMEMBER. BUT IT IS VERY

2:51:44CONCERNING FOR RESIDENTS AND THE

2:51:46FUTURE RESIDENTS OF THIS HOUSING

2:51:51HERE. WHEN DID THE CITY KNOW

2:51:55THAT THIS WAS COMING? BECAUSE I

2:51:56KNOW THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF

2:51:58LEADERSHIP CHANGE WITH AEON AND

2:52:01ALSO THE STRUGGLE OF NONPROFIT

2:52:03AFFORD ANL ABLE HSING AS WE

2:52:06HAVE IN THE CITY. WHEN DID THE

2:52:09CITY KNOW THAT THIS WAS GOING TO

2:52:12HAPPEN OR AEON LET THEM KNOW

2:52:13THIS MIGHT BE AN OPTION THE

2:52:14WILL EXERCISE?

2:52:16>> CHAIR CHOWDHURY, COUNCIL

2:52:17MEMBER OSMAN, I'M NOT SURE I

2:52:18KNOWFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. WE

2:52:21HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY TALKING WITH

2:52:24RACHEL IN HER NEW POSITION.

2:52:25SHE'S BEEN WITH AEON FOR ABOUT

2:52:27SIX MONTHS NOW. SO WE HAVE BEEN

2:52:33ACTIVELY ENGAGED WITH THEM

2:52:35TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A STRATEGY.

2:52:37WE'VE BEEN UNDER A LOT OF DURESS

2:52:39WITH KEY BANK AND THE SPECIAL

2:52:42SERVICER AND HAVE NOT HAD --

2:52:43IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO GET TO

2:52:45THIS POSITION WHERE WE ARE RIGHT

2:52:46NOW WITH OUR STAFF

2:52:48RECOMMENDATI, AND WE FEEL LIK

2:52:49WE NEEDED TO MOVE QUICKLY. SO

2:52:51HERE WE ARE. BUT WE HAVE BEEN IN

2:52:54ACTIVE NEGOTIATIONS WITH RACHEL

2:52:56SINCE THEY JOINED AEON.

2:52:58>> I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A

2:53:00DOMINOS EFFE. BECAUSE WE HAVE

2:53:02A LOT OF NON-PROFIT

2:53:04ORGANIZATIONS. THEY ALREADY TOL

2:53:07UPKEEPING THE UNITS OR SECITY

2:53:10ISSUE OR DIFFERENT SIMILAR TO

2:53:11THAT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD

2:53:13EASILY ACCEPT IT. WE LEARN SOME

2:53:18MIGHT WORK LIKE THE P DID. BUT

2:53:23ALSO AEON MIGHT BE THE SECOND

2:53:26ONE. BUT THERE PLENTY OTHER

2:53:28NONPROFIT WE DO BUSINESS WITH

2:53:32THAT CONTINUE SERVE RESIDENTS IN

2:53:33CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. SO I'M

2:53:34JUST, YOU KNOW, O OR TWO WE

2:53:36CAN DEAL WITH IT. BUT THE

2:53:39DOMINOS EFFECT OF I WT TO GET

2:53:41OUT THIS AND SELL IT BECAUSE

2:53:42THIS IS NOT WORKING ON MY BOTTOM

2:53:46LINE, NONPROFIT EXERCISES THAT

2:53:48FOR THEM TO STAY AFLOAT, TO STAY

2:53:54ACTIVE, IT'S THE DECISIONS MAKE

2:53:55AND MIGHT BE A DECISION F THE

2:53:57LONG TERM KEEPING THE ONES THEY

2:53:59HAVE INSTEAD OF LOSING THE WHO

2:54:02ENTIRE COMPANY. BUT I I WOULD CN

2:54:05IN THE FUTURE OF THE CITY STAFF

2:54:06TO REALLY THINK ABOUTHIS

2:54:07DEEPLY AND JUST FORECAST IT.

2:54:10WHAT'S COMING UP, AND MAYBE HAVE

2:54:11SOME KIND OF LOANS THAT WE HAVE

2:54:16OUT THERE, SOMEKIND OF NEW

2:54:17REPORTING ABOUT REPORTING,

2:54:19DECISION MAKING THOSE THINGS I

2:54:22THINK WILL HELP US, WILL STABLE

2:54:24THINGS AND WILL FIND DIFFERENT

2:54:28STRATEGY WAY BUT I JUST KIND OF

2:54:30WANT TO PUT THAT SIREN ON.

2:54:31THANK YOU.

2:54:35>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER

2:54:36OSMAN. I JUST PUT MYSELF IN

2:54:40QUEUE TO JUST SAY THAT I THINK

2:54:44THAT WE SHOULD STUDY THIS

2:54:45FURTHER AND GET A BETTER

2:54:47UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE C SED

2:54:48DEPARTMENT IS THINKING OF IN

2:54:49TERMS OF STRATEGIES TO ADDRESS

2:54:54THIS. TWHAT IS OF INTEREST TO

2:54:56THE BUSINESS HOUSING ZONING

2:54:57COMMITTEE. THAT SOMETHING THAT

2:54:58ME AND CHAIR OSMAN HAVE

2:55:03DISCUSSED, JUST NOAA IN GENERAL

2:55:06AND THE FUTURE OF US. I THINK

2:55:08THE PROCESS FOR US TO HAVE THIS

2:55:09ON OUR AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT IT

2:55:13IS LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE. F

2:55:13STAFF HADS ANOTHER WAY WE CAN

2:55:14GET THIS ON OUR AGENDA, THAT

2:55:15WOULD BE VALUABLE. AS WE KNOW

2:55:16IF WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE

2:55:18DIRECTIVE, ALL YOU CAN SEND TO

2:55:19US IS A WRITTEN MEMO AND WE

2:55:21HAVEN'T STRAY DISCUION IN

2:55:23CHAMBER -- HAVE A DISCUSSION IN

2:55:24CHAMBER BUT I DO THINK WE NEED

2:55:25TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND A

2:55:26PRESENTATION, SO IF THERE IS A

2:55:27WAY FOR YOU TO TAKE THAT BACK US

2:55:28FOR TO PUT THIS ON OUR AGENDA TO

2:55:31HAVE A DISCUSSION, T THAT

2:55:33WOULD BE GREAT AND PERPS

2:55:35COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN AND I CAN

2:55:37WORK TOGETHER WITH OUR COMMITTEE

2:55:39MEMBERS TO FIELD QUESTIONS THAT

2:55:43WE ALL HE ON THIS TOPIC.

2:55:45THAT'S ALL I WAS GOING TO ADD,

2:55:46AND THEN I'LL PASS IT TO

2:55:50COUNCILMEMBER STEVENSON.

2:55:50>> YEAH, THANK YOU. I W GOING

2:55:52TO ASK AEON SOME QSTIONS IF

2:55:54THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

2:56:01WHY IS THERE HIGHER VACANCY HERE

2:56:03THAN YOU MIGHT'VE EXPECTED?

2:56:06>> YEAH, COUNCILMEMBER

2:56:07STEVENSON, I THINK IT'S A BIT OF

2:56:09A, A SPIRALING OF JUST OUR

2:56:11OPERATING COSTS, TURNING UNITS

2:56:13TO BE READY TO RENT IS AN

2:56:15EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION, AND YOU

2:56:18KNOW, AS AEON'S CASH STARTED

2:56:19GOING OUT THE DOOR MORE AND MORE

2:56:21TO COVER MOREND MORE

2:56:22DAY-TO-DAY OPERATING COSTS TRKZ

2:56:24CAME VERY HARD -- IT CAME VERY

2:56:25HARD TO KEEP UP WITH THE FERNS.

2:56:26WE HAVE BEEN -- TURNS. WE HAVE

2:56:28WEEKLY MEETING ON FILLING THE

2:56:30ITS. THEY'RE MORE MARKETABLE,

2:56:32AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN WE WANT TO

2:56:33SHOW THE LENDER THAT WE'RE DOING

2:56:35OUR BEST. SO WE'RE FILLING

2:56:37EVERY UNIT THAT ISURNED, READY

2:56:40PAINTED, AND WE HAVE A GREAT

2:56:42LEASING STAFF PERSON AT THE

2:56:43PROPERTY TODAY WHO IS CONSTANTLY

2:56:45DOING SHOWINGS. IT'S A LARGEDEH

2:56:48VACANCY. IT'S KIND OF A

2:56:50CARRYOVER FROM UNITS THAT AREN'T

2:56:51TURNED AND READY. BUT FOR THOSE

2:56:54THAT WE ARE LEASING, YOU KNOW,

2:56:57WE ARE GETTING PEOPLE IN THE

2:56:58DOOR TO IMPROVE THE VACANCY AS

2:56:59MUCH AS WE CAN.

2:57:01>> SO, SORRY I DON'T QUITE

2:57:02UNDERSTAND.

2:57:03>> SURE.

2:57:03>> IS IT BECAUSE IT'S WHAT I

2:57:05HEARD YOU SAY WAS IT'S EXPENSIVE

2:57:06TO TURN THE UNIT SO YOU WEREN'T

2:57:08TUING THE UNITS?

2:57:09>> THAT'S CORCT. WE HAVE

2:57:10UNITS THAT ARE NOT READY.

2:57:12THEY'RE NOTENT READY, AND YOU

2:57:14KNOW, THE COST, IF THE COST IS

2:57:16MINIMAL, JUST YOU KNOW CLEAN-UP,

2:57:18WE'LL GET THEM BACK ON THE

2:57:20MARKET. BUT WHEN WE HAVE THE

2:57:22KIND OF EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE

2:57:23DONE SITUATION THAT'S MORE

2:57:25FREQUE, IT'S COMMON IN OUR

2:57:26BUSINESS I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T

2:57:27DEAL WITH THIS EVERY DAY, BUT

2:57:30WHEN WE JUST ARE OUT OF MONEY ON

2:57:32THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND COMING OUT

2:57:35OF POCKET TO KEEP THE DAY-TO-DAY

2:57:36COSTS, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO

2:57:38PAY FOR THOSE, THOSE TURNS. AND

2:57:40GET THE CONTRACTORS PAID FOR

2:57:41DOING THE WORK.

2:57:43>> OKAY, SO IS SOME THIS OF

2:57:45MAINTENANCE BACKLOG FROM BEFORE

2:57:46YOU BOUGHT THE BUILDING?

2:57:47>> THINK IT PREDATES MY TIME

2:57:48WITH AEON, BUT I DO THINK IT WAS

2:57:51LOOKING BAC AT SOME OF OF OUR

2:57:52RECORDS AND OUR INTERNAL MEMOS

2:57:54AND THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN

2:57:55WORKING ON, THINK THE LAST

2:57:56COUPLE OF YEARS IT'S JUST BEEN A

2:57:58MORE, YOU KNOW, CHAENGING

2:58:00SITUATION. THE COST ESCALATION

2:58:02FOR WHAT WE CALL SCATTERED

2:58:04TES, WHICH ARE LARGE

2:58:06MANAGEMENT COMPANIES ALWAYS

2:58:07STRUGGLE WITH, IT'S KIND OF

2:58:08NOTORIOUSLY A CHALLEN FOR US.

2:58:12COST ESCALATION HAS JUST

2:58:13CONTINUED TO BE A BIG CHALLENGE,

2:58:15PARTICULARLY AT THIS

2:58:16DEVELOPMENT. WHEN YOU HAVE

2:58:17CONTRACTORS WHO AREN'T JUST

2:58:18WORKING AT ONE ELEVATOR BUILDING

2:58:20WITH 200 UNITS BUT THEY'

2:58:21DRIVING BETWEEN EACH SITE, THEY

2:58:22DO A TRIP CHARGE FOR EACH SITE,

2:58:25IT REALLY DOES ADD UP, AND

2:58:27THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT ABOUT

2:58:281,000 TO 150,000 THAT AEON IS

2:58:31BRINGING IN OVER AND ABOVE THE

2:58:33RENT REVENUE,O MAINTAIN THE

2:58:35PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW.

2:58:37OKAY. WERE THEY CHARGING Y

2:58:38A TRIP CHARGE FOR THESE

2:58:39BUILDINGS THAT WERE RIGHT NEXT

2:58:41TO EACH OTHER?

2:58:42>> YEAH. WE'LL GET AN ADDRESS

2:58:43CHARGE, AND IT'S JUST WHEN YOU

2:58:44HAVE 15 BUILDINGS, THERE'S LOT

2:58:47OF EVERYTHING TIMES 15. YOU

2:58:48KNOW A FRONT AND A BACK DOOR,

2:58:50TIMES 15. A RF TIMES 15. A

2:58:53SIDE LAWN AND A FRONT LAWN AND A

2:58:55PARKING LOT, AND FOR LARGE

2:58:57MANAGERS, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE

2:58:58JUST ISN'T BUILT THAT WAY

2:59:00>> YEAH. OKAY. DOES AEON

2:59:04ACCEPT REFERRALS FROM

2:59:06COORDINATED ENTRY?

2:59:06>> WE DO. YES.

2:59:10>> DID THESE PARTICULAR

2:59:11BUILDINGS ACCEPT REFERRALS FROM

2:59:14COORDINATED ENTRY?

2:59:15>> WE DON'T HAVE UNITS THAT ARE

2:59:15SET ASIDE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE

2:59:17EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS AT

2:59:18THESE PROPERTIES, BUT WE DO HAVE

2:59:19SERVICE PROVIDERS WHO HAVEPLACET

2:59:22KNOW, BE COMING FROM COORDINATED

2:59:25ENTRY.

2:59:25>> OKAY.

2:59:25>> WHO WE WORK WITH TO LEASE

2:59:27UNITS TO.

2:59:28>> OKAY.

2:59:28>> SO THERE ARE FOLKS WHO ARE

2:59:29WORKING OUTN THE SCATTERED

2:59:33SITE PLACEMENT OF PEOPLE WHO

2:59:35HAVE COORDINATED ENTRY

2:59:37REFERRALS.

2:59:37>> OKAY, SO I GUESS, WAS

2:59:39THERE -- WITH THE TURNING UNITS,

2:59:40WAS THERE A LACK OF DEMAND FOR

2:59:41THE UNITS? AND THAT'S WHY YOU

2:59:44WERE -- ON TOP OF THE EXPENSE OF

2:59:46TURNING THEM, WAS THERE A LACK

2:59:48OF DEMAND, YOU DIDN'T WANT TO GO

2:59:50IN AND DO THE RENOVATIONS TO A

2:59:51PARTICULAR UNIT BECAUSE YOU

2:59:53DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU COULD END UP

2:59:54FILLING IT ON THE OTHERIDE?

2:59:55OR WAS IT TRULY LIKE WE JUST

2:59:57DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR THE

2:59:59RENOVATIONS, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW

3:00:00WHEN WE DO IT, WE WILL GET SOME

3:00:02MONEY ON THE OTHER SIDE?

3:00:03>> YH, LACK OF DEMAND IS

3:00:04SOMETHING WE ASK OURSELVES

3:00:06WHENEVER THERE IS, YOU KNOW,

3:00:07VACANCY SEEMS TO BE GOING UP,

3:00:08YOU KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT

3:00:10MOVE-INS AND MOVEOUTS AND PEOPLE

3:00:11DON'T STAY IN STUDIOS, ONE

3:00:14BEDROOMS VERY LONG. YOU KNOW,

3:00:15IT'S THE LARGER BEDROOM UNITS

3:00:16AND SENIOR WHERE PEOPLE HAVE

3:00:17LONG TENURES, SO PRETTY TYPICAL

3:00:19FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE IN A COUPLE

3:00:22OF YEARS AND TO HAVE A LOT OF

3:00:23TURNOVER, BUT YOU KNOW WE

3:00:24DEFINITELY ASKED OSELVES THAT

3:00:26QUESTION FOR THESE PROPERTIES.

3:00:28WE'VE RETOOLED OUR STRATEGIES.

3:00:30STAFF, AND JUST HAVING SOMEONE

3:00:31THERE RIGHT NOW WHO'S DOING A

3:00:33GREAT JOB OF JUST FOLLOWING UP

3:00:35ON LEADS USING SOCIAL MEDIA,

3:00:37YOU KNOW,T'S, IT'S NOT LACK OF

3:00:38DEMAND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

3:00:40I THINK IT'S, WE ALSO HAVE A LOT

3:00:42COMPETITION IN THAT

3:00:42NEIGHBORHOOD, I'M SURE YOU KNOW,

3:00:44OUR BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE ALL THE

3:00:46OTHER BUILDINGS, AND WE KNOW

3:00:47WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING AND SO WE,

3:00:49YOU KNOW, PAY ATTENTION TO YOU

3:00:51KNOW HOW MUCH THEY'RE FIXED UP

3:00:53AND WHAT THEIR RENT RATES ARE,

3:00:55AND YOU KNOW WE JUST HAVE TO

3:00:57REALLY STAY ON TOP OF IT. FOR

3:01:00BUT FOR A TURN THAT COSTS LET'S

3:01:02SAY $10,000, THAT'S,OU KNOW,

3:01:03IT'S ABOUT $1 $1,000 A MONTH

3:01:06IN RENT FOR MOST OF THE UNITS

3:01:07AND SO WE JUST CAN'T SEE OUR WAY

3:01:08OUT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, PAYING

3:01:10BACK THAT INVESTMENT RIGHT NOW.

3:01:16>> OKAY. YEAH. I I'M GOING TO

3:01:19ASK THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION

3:01:20BECAUSE I THINK I MIG KNOW THE

3:01:21ANSWER. BUT I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR

3:01:23YOU EXPLORE IT A LITTLE B.

3:01:25WHAT EFFECT HAS THE HOMELESSNESS

3:01:27SITUATION IN THE CITY AND IN

3:01:28PARTICULAR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD

3:01:31HAD ON, ON THE COSTS AND ON THIS

3:01:36SALE?

3:01:37>> THE -- IT IS AN ACUTE

3:01:39CHALLENGE. I'LL JUST BE FACTUAL

3:01:41HERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE

3:01:43WOULD NOTE, PARTICULARLY FOR THE

3:01:45PROPERTIES IN YOUR WARD IS THAT

3:01:48WE NEED TO HAVE SECURITY PATROLS

3:01:50ON FOOT THE PROPERTIES, IN

3:01:51ORDER TO SECURE FRONT AND BACK

3:01:53DOORS AND WINDOWS,SPECIALLY ON

3:01:55THE GROUND OR GARDEN LEVEL

3:01:58UNITS. AND WE'VE HAD A

3:02:00CONTINUAL CHALLENGE WITH PEOPLE

3:02:03ENTERI, YOU KNOW, TRESPASSING

3:02:04INTO OUR BUILDINGS. IF UNITS

3:02:06ARE VACANT, EVEN IF THEY'VE GOT

3:02:08SOMEONE MOVINGN THAT MONDAY,

3:02:12WE'VE HAVE MANY DOCUMENTED

3:02:13SITUATIONS WHERE SOMEONE IS,

3:02:14IT'S VERY, VERY TRAGIC, AND

3:02:16SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW WE WORK

3:02:18IN THE SPACE OF ENDING

3:02:19HOMELESSNESS, BUT PEOPLE ARE,

3:02:20YOUNOW, BREAKING INTO OUR

3:02:21BUILDING TO STAY THERE. AND YOU

3:02:23KNOW THEY'RE JUST,T'S AN OLDER

3:02:26BUILDING WITH OLDER DOORS AND IT

3:02:26IS A REALLY CHALLENGING

3:02:29DAY-TO-DAY MAINTENANCE AND

3:02:30MANAGEMENT WORK FOR US. WE HAVE

3:02:32GOOD TEAM MEMBERS, GOOD

3:02:34STRATEGIES, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO

3:02:35BY THE PROPERTIES WHICH I DO

3:02:37VERY OFTEN, I SEE OUR FOLKS

3:02:40THERE WALKING AROUND JUSTO

3:02:42MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, YOU

3:02:42KNOW, JUST KIND OF BEING PRESENT

3:02:44FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO FEEL

3:02:47SECURE. SO IT IS DEFINITELY A

3:02:49CHALLENGE, YOU KNOW, PERCEPTION

3:02:51CHALLENGE, AND SOME REAL COSTS

3:02:53THAT WE'VE INCURRED TO ADDRESS

3:02:55JUST WE CAN'T BE THERE ALL THE

3:02:57TIME. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THATP.

3:03:00>> MM-HMM. MM-HMM. SO THE

3:03:02PRIVATE SECURITYS LARGELY TO

3:03:06KEEP --

3:03:07>>OVE PEOPLE ALONG.

3:03:08>> NONLESSEES OUT OF THE

3:03:09BUILDING?

3:03:09>> THAT IS -- THAT IS CORRECT.

3:03:11>> YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ARE YOU

3:03:13HAVING TROUBLE WITH ENCAMPMENTS

3:03:16IN THE AREA?

3:03:19>> WE TRACK AND ARE AWARE OF

3:03:22THE ENCAMPMENTS THAT ARE NEARBY.

3:03:23WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE SET UP AND

3:03:25SLEEP OUTSIDE NEXT TO OUR

3:03:27BUILDINGS. I MEAN THE CITY DOES

3:03:28COME AROUND AND INSPECT. WE

3:03:30WORK WITH THE CITY ON

3:03:33REMEDIATION WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

3:03:34BUT CERTAINLY IF WE WERE NOT

3:03:36HELPING PEOPLEOVE ALONG, WE

3:03:39WOULD HAVE PEOPLE THERE PRETTY

3:03:41PERMANENTLY SEPING NEXT TO OUR

3:03:42BUILDINGS.

3:03:43>> SLEEPING NEXT TO YOUR

3:03:43BUILDINGS.

3:03:44>> YEAH, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, IT

3:03:46IS KIND OF COMMON FOR US TO

3:03:50ENCOUNTER PEOPLE WHO ARE INSIDE

3:03:52OR EVEN OUTSI CAMPING NEXT TO

3:03:55OUR BUILDINGS KIND OF AGAINST

3:03:55THE WALLS AND WE'LL MOVE THEM

3:03:57ALONG.

3:03:58>> YEAH. HOW MUCH, LIKE, DO YOU

3:04:01HAPPEN TO KNOW, MAYBE A PERCENT

3:04:02OF THE OPERATING COSTS THAT THIS

3:04:05PRIVATE SECURITY COST YOU?

3:04:07>> I KNOW THE RAW NUMBER, SO

3:04:10IT'S AROUND $50,000 PER ♪MONTH.

3:04:12>> OKAY.

3:04:12>> WE DON'T PROVIDE THAT. WE

3:04:14WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE

3:04:17PROFESSIONALS WITH THAT, THE

3:04:18TRAINING THAT THEY NEED TO DO

3:04:20THAT JOB DIRECTLY, AND SO WE DO

3:04:22CONTRACT FOR THAT WORK, WHICH

3:04:24YOU KNOW ADD UP ALL THE HOURS

3:04:25AND ALL THE WALKING AROUND, IT'S

3:04:27ABOUT $50,000 PER MONTH.

3:04:29>> YEAH. OKAY.

3:04:30>> AND IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO THESE

3:04:32PROPERTIES, I'LL SAY. WE ARE

3:04:34HIRING SECURITY IN OTHER PARTS

3:04:35OF THE CITY WELL-

3:04:36>> OKAY, OTHER PARTS OF TH

3:04:36CITY.

3:04:43>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR LETTING

3:04:45ME USE YOU TO MA A POINT, BY

3:04:46NOT TAKING CARE OF HOMELESSNESS

3:04:48WE ARE CLOSING DOWN AFFORDABLE

3:04:50HOUSING IN THE CITY. THIS IS

3:04:51REALLY BAD, AND YOU KNOW THIS,

3:04:52I'M NOT, I'M NOT CASNG

3:04:54JUDGMENT OPYOU. I'M JUST

3:04:56CASTING JUDGMENT ORNLT

3:04:56SITUATION, WHICH WE ALL KNOW

3:04:58THATYOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING,

3:04:59WE'RE SEEING A MISSION DRIVEN

3:05:03OWNER LEAVE, LEAVE THESE

3:05:04BUILDINGS, AND THIS IS BASICALLY

3:05:05AN ENTIRE BLOCK IN MY WARD, AND

3:05:08WE'RE SEEING IT FOR A L OF

3:05:10REASONS. ONE IS YOU BOUGHT IT

3:05:11WHEN PRICES WERE HIGH AND PRICES

3:05:13ARE LOW NOW. VACANCY AND JUST A

3:05:15LACK OF, OF FUNDING FOR

3:05:19AFFORDABLE HOUSI WHICH IS VERY

3:05:20TIMELY GIVEN OUR DISCUSSION THIS

3:05:22MORNING. AND THEN BY NOT

3:05:23DEALING WITH HOMELESSNESS, WE'RE

3:05:27MAKING AFFORDABLE HOUSING

3:05:28DEVELOPERS AND OWNERS PAY

3:05:32$50,000 A MONTH TO, TO ODDLY

3:05:34ENOUGH KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF

3:05:36BUILDINGS THATHEY DON'T HAVE

3:05:37ENOUGH MONEY TO TURN TO GET

3:05:38PEOPLE IN THE BUILDINGS. S

3:05:41YEAH, OKAY. THIS IS THE

3:05:42SITUATION WE'RE IN. THANK YOU.

3:05:46>> THANK YOU

3:05:49>> THANK YOU. I'M THE LAST ONE

3:05:51IN QUEUE, AND THIS IS NOT FOR

3:05:52THE DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM BUT

3:05:54HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED ON AN

3:05:56OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A MOTION FOR

3:05:59APPROVAL. I'M TRYING TO CHECK

3:06:00IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A

3:06:02DIVIDED VOTE ON THIS OR NOT. IF

3:06:04WE NEED MORE TIME ON IT, I'M

3:06:07SEEING HEAD NODS SAYING WE

3:06:08SHOULD JUST TAKE THE VOTE ON IT.

3:06:10OK.

3:06:10>> YEP.

3:06:11>> GREAT. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILME.

3:06:17>> I WAS JUST SAYING THAT WHEN

3:06:19THEY CAME AND SPOKE BEFORE BHZ

3:06:22COMMITTEE, THEY WERE REALLY

3:06:23PRESSED FOR TIME BECAUSE THEY

3:06:25DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE A WHOLE

3:06:26LOT OF TIME BEFORE THE,

3:06:28FORECLOSURE THING COMES INTO

3:06:30PLAY.

3:06:31>> YEP.

3:06:32SO.

3:06:33>> AGREED. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S

3:06:34WHY WE INSTEAD OF DELAYING THE

3:06:35ITEM WE PUT IT INTO THIS

3:06:37COMMITTEE. I JUST THINK LIKE

3:06:40HAD WE HAD BEEN ABLE TO HAVE THE

3:06:42CONVERSATION IN BHZ, MEMBERS

3:06:46WOULD'VE HAD MORE TIME TO HAVE

3:06:46THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY

3:06:48NEEDED BETWEEN NOW, THEN AND

3:06:52THURSDAY. WHICH WAS SHARED UP

3:06:53HE, SO I JUST WANTED TO CHECK

3:06:55IF WE NEEDED SOME TIME BEFORE

3:06:57PEOPLE NEEDO VOTE. BUT WE

3:06:58FEEL CLEAR. I CAN SEE CONSENSUS

3:07:01UP HERE.

3:07:03>> OKAY.

3:07:03>>> THANK YOU, CHAIR.

3:07:04>> YEAH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING

3:07:04THAT POINT UP. SO I THINK WE

3:07:07CAN DO A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

3:07:09ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

3:07:12THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THEYES

3:07:15HAVE IT. AND THAT CARRIES. ALL

3:07:18RIGHT. MEMBERS, WE ARE ON OUR

3:07:19LAST ITEM. THIS IS A RECEIVE

3:07:24AND FILE ITEM ON THE MINNEAPOLIS

3:07:26POLICE DEPARTMENT'S SPENDING FOR

3:07:29FISCAL YEAR 2025. I WOULD LIKE

3:07:31TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.

3:07:34THE MOTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO

3:07:35MAKE IS THAT WE MOVE THIS ITEM

3:07:39TO OUR NEXT BUDGET MEETING. I

3:07:42BELIEVE THAT'S ON MONDAY,

3:07:45OCTOBER 5th AS THIS IS A

3:07:48FISCAL CONVERSATION. I HAD HAD

3:07:51PLANNED QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION

3:07:54THAT I WANTED TO BRING TO LIGHT

3:07:55ON THIS ITEM. WE DON'T HAVE AS

3:07:57MUCH TIME, AND I KNOW OTHER

3:07:58MEMBERS DID, SO I WILL MAKE THAT

3:08:00MOTION TO MOVE IT TO THE BUDGET

3:08:02COMMITTEE MEETING ON

3:08:03OCTOBER 5th.

3:08:04>> SECOND.

3:08:04>> THANK YOU. AND I GOT A

3:08:06SECOND. NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE

3:08:08COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ.

3:08:09>> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHOWDHURY.

3:08:12GIVEN TH THIS IS TALKING ABOUT

3:08:15MPD'S OVERSPENDING, I DID WANT

3:08:18LETOLLEAGUES KNOW THAT I'M

3:08:20HOPING TO WORK ON AN ITEM IN THE

3:08:22PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND

3:08:23EQUITY COMMITTEE REQUESTING THE

3:08:24AUDIT COMMITTEE REQUEST THE CITY

3:08:26AUDITOR TO CONDUCT AN

3:08:28INDEPENDENT AUDIT OF THE

3:08:28MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT

3:08:31OVERTIME MANAGEMENT CONTROLS AND

3:08:34ABUSE. IF FOLKS HAVE ANY

3:08:35QUESTIONS OR WANT T TALK TO ME

3:08:36AHEAD OF TIME, PLEASE LET ME

3:08:38KNOW. THIS WAS BASED ON THE

3:08:42CONVERSATION OF MISMANAGEMENT

3:08:44AND ABUSE OF OVERTIME THAT WAS

3:08:47SAID BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AK

3:08:53YOU.

3:08:53>> I'LL ALSO --

3:08:54>> WE HAVE --

3:08:55>> I JUST WANTED TO QUICK

3:08:58RECOGNIZE THAT COUNCILMEMBER

3:08:59CHUGHTAI AND PRESIDENT PAYNE ARE

3:09:00HERE AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE

3:09:01RECOGNIZED FOR THE PRIOR VOTE.

3:09:04AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER VETAW,

3:09:05ARYOU IN QUEUE?

3:09:06>> YES.

3:09:06>> GO AHEAD.

3:09:07>> THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A

3:09:09ESTION ABOUT CARRYING THIS

3:09:10ITEM OVER AGAIN. I'M, I GUESS,

3:09:12I DID HEAR YOU SAY YOU HAVE SOME

3:09:14QUESTIONS, BUT I'M JUST

3:09:15WONDERING IF THERE'S SOMETHING

3:09:17DIFFERENT THAN WHAT CAME UP IN

3:09:19THE BUDGET MEETING YESTERDAY

3:09:21ABOUT M. LIKE I -- I WORKED

3:09:24ON THIS ITEM, AND I'M REA TO

3:09:27MOVE FORWARD. I DON'T WANT TO

3:09:29KEEP PROLONGING THIS ITEM FROM

3:09:32COMMITTEE TO COMMITTEE. IT'S

3:09:33BEEN MOVED OVER ONE TIME. I

3:09:35HAVE DEFINITELY HAD SOME

3:09:37CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF OFF

3:09:39LINE ABOUT SOME OF THE THESE

3:09:41THINGS THAT WERE SPECIFIC

3:09:43QUESTIONS THAT IAD THAT HAVE

3:09:47TURNED INTO POSSIY POLICY

3:09:49PROPOSALS, AND SO I'M JUST

3:09:51WONDERING HOW LONG WE'RE GOING

3:09:52TO LIKE KEEP THIS GOING FORWARD

3:09:54AND LIKE WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS

3:09:57HERE BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF

3:09:59CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH MPD

3:10:01ABOUT THE PREVIOUS BUDGET, AND

3:10:02ABOUT THE CURRENT BUDGET.

3:10:05>> THANK YOU. I MEAN, I WILL

3:10:09JUST SHA, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE I

3:10:10GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THE

3:10:13QUESTIONS THATANTED TO AT

3:10:14OUR LAST BUDGET COMMITTEE. AND

3:10:16ON TS ITEM, I WAS HOPING THAT

3:10:18WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THE

3:10:21DISCUSSION WITHIN COMMITTEE

3:10:23OBVIOUSLY WE AREN'T. TODAY WE

3:10:24DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION ON

3:10:27THIS. I FEEL LIKE FOR ME

3:10:28PERSONALLY, AND I'M JUST

3:10:29SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, KIND OF

3:10:31NARROWING IN ON THE 2025

3:10:33SPENDING VERSUS THE FUTURE

3:10:35SPENDING, IS WHAT I'M HOPING TO

3:10:38GET. I KNOW COUNCILMEMBER

3:10:39CHHTAI IS ALSO INTERESTED IN

3:10:43THIS. I WON'T SPEAK FOR HER. I

3:10:44THINK YOU WANT TO GET INTO

3:10:45QUEUE, VICE CHAIR, SO I'LL PASS

3:10:46IT ONTO YOU.

3:10:47>> CAN I --

3:10:47>> SORRY I, P APOLOGIZE,

3:10:51YOU'RE RIGHT.

3:10:52>> NO ONES HERE, EVEN IF WE

3:10:53WERE TAKING IT UP TODAY, NO ONE

3:10:55IS HERE, SO WHAT'S THE PLAN HERE

3:10:57BECAUSE IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE

3:11:00ANYONE IS COMIN AND TO KEEP

3:11:01BRINGING THIS UP AND LIKE HAVE

3:11:03NO ONE HERE, JUST FEELS LIKE A

3:11:05WASTEF TIME. AND THEY WERE

3:11:07AL HERE YESTERDAY TALKING ABOUTE

3:11:11BUDGET MOVING FORWARD.

3:11:16>>ICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI.

3:11:17>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

3:11:19YEAHI MEAN, I WOULD SAY I

3:11:20THINK WE DID OUR BEST THOUGH

3:11:26PERFECTLY TO LIMIT THE

3:11:27CONVERSATION YESTERDAY TO THE

3:11:302026 BUDGET REQUEST. CERTAINLY

3:11:32THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT

3:11:35OVERTIME EXPENDITURE AND THE

3:11:38COMPARISON TO 2025 AND IT'S AN

3:11:40IMPORTANT ONE FOR SURE. BUT,

3:11:43BUT AS WE KNOW, THE MINNEAPOLISN

3:11:48NEARLY EVERY CATEGORY NOT JUST

3:11:50OVERTIME, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S

3:11:51FAIR TO BOIL THE BUDGETARY

3:11:54ISSUES DOWN TO JUST OVERTIME,

3:11:55AND I KNOW YOU AREN'T.I KNOW

3:11:58THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, TT

3:12:02MADAM CHAIR, THE COUNCILMEMBER

3:12:02VETAW IS VERY, VERY CLEAR ON. I

3:12:05THINK FOR ME THE PURPOSE OF

3:12:07MOVING THIS OUT OF COMMITTEE OF

3:12:09THE WHOLE AND INTO BUDGET IS

3:12:12THAT THIS IS A CONVERSATION THA

3:12:13MAKES MOST SENSE FOR BUDGET. IT

3:12:16LIVES IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE

3:12:17RIT NOW BECAUSE AT THAT TIME,

3:12:21WE, AT THE TIME THIS LEGISLATIVE

3:12:24DIRECTIVE WAS BROUGHT FORWARD WE

3:12:25WERE DOING SUPER COW, SOOVING

3:12:26IT BACK TO ITS APPROPRIATE HOME

3:12:28COMMITTEE I THINK MAKES SENSE

3:12:31HERE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE

3:12:33THIRD CONSECUTIVE TIME THAT THIS

3:12:36ITEM HAS BEEN ON THE COMMITTEE

3:12:39THE WHOLE AGENDA, AND WE HAVE

3:12:42NOT SEEN THE PICE DEPARTMENT

3:12:46SHOW UP. SO I GUESS I'M OPEN TO

3:12:49ANY AND ALL IDEAS FROM ANYONE

3:12:51ABOUT HOW WE CONVINCE OUR MAYOR

3:12:55AND HIS ADMINISTRATION TO TAKE

3:13:01RESPONSIBILITY FOR DESTROYING

3:13:02OUR CITY'S FINANCES SERIOUSLY.

3:13:04I N'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, BUT

3:13:11I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S SOME

3:13:12REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS ABOUT

3:13:142025 THAT CAN HELP INFORM 2027,

3:13:19AND I WANT TO KEEP THE

3:13:20CONVERSATION MOVING TO BE

3:13:23HONEST.

3:13:23>> I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT, BUT I

3:13:25THINKHAT I KEEP HEARING AND IN

3:13:27THE LAST MEETING TOO, THAT THIS

3:13:28IS ABOUT THE MAYOR.

3:13:30AND NOT ABOUT THE POLICE

3:13:32DEPARTMENT. SO LIKE, WHAT I

3:13:34FEEL LE IS HAPPENING IS STAFF

3:13:36IS CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A

3:13:38FIGHT, RIGHT?

3:13:39>> YEP.

3:13:40>> AND LIKE, THE, WHAT IS COMIN

3:13:43OFF THE DAIS IS THERE'S AN

3:13:45EXPECTATION FOR STAFF TO SHOW UP

3:13:47TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, AND THAT'S

3:13:49NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO LIKE

3:13:51HOW DO WE RESOLVE THIS? YOU AND

3:13:52I, COUNCILMEMBER CHUGHTAI,

3:13:54CERTAINLY WORKED VERY HARD ON

3:13:57THIS. OUR STAFF PUT A LOT OF

3:13:59TIME INTO DEVELOPING QUESTIONS

3:14:01THAT DESERVE TO BE ANSWERED WHEN

3:14:04THE PREVIOUS CHIEF WAS BEFORE

3:14:06US, YOU AND I ASKED A LOT OF

3:14:09QUESTIONS THAT DESERVE, YOU AND

3:14:11I WERE THE ONLY ONES THAT ASKED

3:14:13QUESTIONS THAT DESERVE ANSWERS.

3:14:16FOR SURE. BUT LIKE, HOW DO WE

3:14:18MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND LIKE

3:14:22NOT CONTINUE TO MAKE STAFF FEEL

3:14:24LIKE THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF

3:14:26SOMETHING, AND LIKE, ACTUALLY

3:14:28GET ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS

3:14:30THAT WE WANT ANSWERS -- I SHOULD

3:14:32SAY THAT YOU WANT ANSWERS TO

3:14:33BECAUSE A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS

3:14:36WERE AROUND FLEET AND SOME OTHER

3:14:38THINGS AND I'VE GOTTEN DIRECTION

3:14:39FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT

3:14:41THAT'S MORE POLICY WORK THAN IT

3:14:44IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE FINDING OUT

3:14:45WHAT A DOLLAR AMOUNT IS. AND

3:14:47SOME OTHER QUESTIONS I'VE HAD

3:14:48ALSO. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO

3:14:50UNDERSTAND LIKE HOW DO WE MOVE

3:14:51FOARD AND NOT KEEP HAVING THIS

3:14:54KIND OF TUGGING BETWEEN STAFF

3:14:57HERE ON THE DAIS.

3:14:59>> YEAH, ANDADAM CHAIR, I

3:15:00WOULD, I JUST, THERE'S A VERY

3:15:03EXCELLEN POINT HERE AROUND

3:15:06STAFF BEING CAUGHT IN THE

3:15:08MIDDLE. IT WAS, IT WAS, I

3:15:09BELIEVE IT WAS ACTUALLY AT THE

3:15:10SUGGESTION OF COUNCILMEMBER

3:15:12WARREN IN OUR LAST COMMITTEE OF

3:15:13THE WHOLE MEETING WHEN WE

3:15:14CONTINUED THIS ITEM THAT WE

3:15:16WOULD CONTIE THE ITEM AND

3:15:19EXPLICITLY ASK, WE ASKED THE

3:15:22MAYOR IN THIS, IN THIS PUBLIC

3:15:24SETTING TO COME TO OUR CHAMBERS

3:15:26AND TALK TO US ABOUT THE

3:15:29MISMAGEMENT OF THE 2025

3:15:33BUDGET. AND THE IENTION HERE

3:15:35WAS NOT TO HAVE STAFF GET CAUGHT

3:15:37IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, BUT AS YOU

3:15:39N SEE, THE MAYOR IS NOT HERE.

3:15:42HE WAS JUST ACROSS THE STREET

3:15:44WITH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND I

3:15:45AT THE BOARD OF ESTIMATE AND

3:15:47TAXATION. YOU KNOW, I DON'T

3:15:48KNOW WHAT ELSEE CAN DO HERE,

3:15:53BUT YEAH, JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE

3:15:55THAT CLARIFICAON. THANK YOU,

3:15:58MADAM CHAIR.

3:15:58>>> NEXT WE HAVE COUNCILMEMBER

3:16:00WARREN.

3:16:01>> YEAH, I WAS -- THANK YOU FOR

3:16:02BRINGING UP THAT POINT, VICE

3:16:05CHAIR CHUGHTAI. AND

3:16:10COUNCILMEMBER VETAW, AND THROUGH

3:16:11THE CHAIR, BECAUSE I DID ASK FOR

3:16:14THE MAYOR -- MY QUESTION IS THEN

3:16:17WILL THE MAYOR, IF WE MOVE THIS

3:16:20FROM COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE TO

3:16:23BUDGET, WILL THE MAYOR BE

3:16:25PRESENT AT BUDGET TO DISCUSS

3:16:27THIS? I MEAN, OR WAS THE

3:16:31PRESENTATION, THE PRESENTATION

3:16:32THAT'S THE PRESENTATION?

3:16:33CAUSE I WATCHED IT AT HOME

3:16:35WHILE I WAS, YOU KNOW,

3:16:37STRUGGLING WITH MY FLU, AND YOU

3:16:40KNOW, YOU MADE SOME VERY

3:16:43OUTSTANDING KEY POINTS, VICE

3:16:46CHAIR, I DO WANT TO SAY IN

3:16:47TALKING ABOUT HOW THE BUDGET HAS

3:16:51BEEN IN OVERSPENT SINCE 2016.

3:16:54THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE YEAR WHERE

3:16:57THERE HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE

3:17:00AROUND OVERSPENDING WITHIN OUR

3:17:03POLI DEPARTMENT BUDGET. SO I

3:17:06MEAN, WE KNOW THESE THINGS ARE A

3:17:09FACTOR. WHAT ARE WE DOING TO

3:17:11RESOE LIKE HOW ARE WE GETTING

3:17:14THE, THE CLEAR RESOLUTION ON HOW

3:17:17THINGS WILL BE DIFFERENT GOING

3:17:21FORWARD, AND IF SOMEONE'S NOT

3:17:22GOING TO COME TO OUR BUDT

3:17:26COMMITTEE MEETING TO PRESENT ON

3:17:31THAT, OR NO ONE'S COMING, THEN I

3:17:33DOT THINK WE SHOULD JUST KEEP

3:17:35MOVING IT AROUND AND PLAYING

3:17:37ROUND-ROBIN WITH IT. YOU KNOW?

3:17:42IT'S KIND OF, IT'S JUST KIND OF

3:17:44BEING TELLING ITSELF. LIKE, IT

3:17:45IS WHAT IT IS. THEY BROUGHT A

3:17:48NEW YOUNG LADY IN HERE WHO IS

3:17:51THE DIRECTOR OF OVER FINANCE,

3:17:53WHAT'S HER NAME? SHE WAS RLLY

3:17:55NICE. I WATCHED HER ON, YOU

3:17:57KNOW, AND SHE'S LEARNING, YOU

3:18:00KNOW, WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M SURE

3:18:02SHE'S GOING TO GET SOME

3:18:03UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE

3:18:04SOMETHINGS. I THINK THERE ARE

3:18:05SOME PEEP THAT -- ABOUT SOME

3:18:06THINGS. I THINK THERE ARE SE

3:18:07PEOPLE THAT ARE AVAILABLE THAT

3:18:08ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BRING

3:18:10SOME VERY KEY PIVOTAL QUESTIONS

3:18:11AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO WHO ARE

3:18:20SHOWING UP BUT I DON'T THINK WE

3:18:21SHOULD KEEP HOLDING IT BECAUSE I

3:18:22DON'T THINK ANYTHING'S GOING TO

3:18:24BE DIFFERENT. WE'RE GOING TO

3:18:24GET MORE OF THE SAME RIGHT NOW.

3:18:28>> COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE.

3:18:30>>> THANK YOU. SO THE QUESTION

3:18:31WAS ASKED WHAT COULD WE DO

3:18:33DIFFERENT, HOW DO WE FIX THIS?

3:18:35WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY NEXT

3:18:36MONDAY AND TUESDAY AFTERNOON

3:18:37WHEN WE'RE NOT IN FRONT OF THE

3:18:39TV CAMERAS AND WE CAN HAVE

3:18:39PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS AND TRY TO

3:18:43HEAL THIS RIFT AND NOT KEEP OUR

3:18:44STAFF IN THE MIDDLE OR OURSELVES

3:18:46IN THE MIDDLE AND LET'S USE THAT

3:18:52OPPORTUNITY.

3:18:55>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU,

3:18:56COUNCILMEMBER RAIILLE.

3:18:57QUESTION FOR YOU. ARE YOU

3:18:59SUGGESTING WE HAVE A TIME TO

3:19:01SPEAK? O WE HAVE STRATEGIC

3:19:02PLANNING I THOUGHT WE HAD A

3:19:04BUDGET MEETING AT THAT TIME.

3:19:05I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED.

3:19:08>>> HOLD ON. YOU KNOW, I WANT

3:19:09TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT

3:19:11MISSPEAKING. LET MLOOK AT MY

3:19:12CALENDAR, BUT I DO BELIEVE WE

3:19:15HAVE SOME TIME RESERVED WITH

3:19:17OURSEOURSELVES AND THE

3:19:19MAYOR AWAY FROM THE HUSTLE

3:19:23BUSTLE. WHEN IS THAT?

3:19:27>> OKAY, WHILE YOU LOOK --

3:19:28>> WE DO AT 12:30 SHOULD WE END

3:19:31OUR BUDGET COMMITTEE

3:19:33DEPARTMENTAL PRESENTATIONS ON

3:19:34TIME ON MONDAY. WE'RE ALL

3:19:36TOGETHER AGAIN ALONG WITH THE

3:19:38MAYOR AND PERHAPS WE CAN TAKE A

3:19:41BREATH AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO

3:19:43STOP HOLDING OUR STAFF HTAGE

3:19:46IN THIS DISAGREEMENT.

3:19:50>> OKAY. THANK YOU. I DON'T

3:19:52THINK ANYBODY'S HOLDING ANYONE

3:19:53HOSTAGE. I WILL DAGREE WITH

3:19:54YOU ON THAT, COUNCILMEMBER

3:19:56RAINVILLE. I'LL SAY THIS. I'M

3:19:59PLANNG ON TAKING THE ROUTE OF

3:20:00GETTING ONE O ONE-ON-ONE

3:20:03INFORMATION ON THIS, BUT I DO

3:20:04THINK WE OWE THE PUBLIC OF

3:20:05HAVING A PUBLIC CONVERSATION

3:20:06AMONGST EACH OTHERBOUT THIS

3:20:08TOPIC, LIKE I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW

3:20:11WHATUR, WHAT ARE THE POLICY

3:20:13TOOLS YOU LEARNED ABOUT,

3:20:14COUNCILMEMBER VETAW, TO ADDRESS

3:20:18THE, ADDRESS ISSUES LIKE, WHAT

3:20:19DID YOU HEAR IN YOUR, IN YOUR

3:20:22ONE ON ONE , INFORMATION, SAME

3:20:25WITH COUNCILMEMBER CHUGHTAI. I

3:20:26THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT

3:20:27WE -- THE TWO BIGGEST THINGS

3:20:29WE'RE LOSING OUT ON RIGHT NOW IS

3:20:31ONE, LIKE, MPD WAS PREPARED TO

3:20:34GIVE THIS PRESENTATION. THEY

3:20:36WORKED FOR MONTH ON THIS. THEY

3:20:37WERE READY TO DO IT. THEY MADE

3:20:39A REALLY STRONG COMMITMENT. NOW

3:20:40THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO PRESENT

3:20:41THEIR WORK, AND HONESTLY, IT

3:20:42ENDS UP, YES, PUTTING THEM IN

3:20:44THE MIDDLE AND DAMAGING THEIR

3:20:46REPUTATION WHEN IT'S REALLY ON

3:20:47THE MAYOR. AND TWO, WE'RE

3:20:48SHUTTING OUT THE PUBLIC OUT OF

3:20:50ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT

3:20:52CONVERSATIONS CONSTITUENTS ARE

3:20:52ASKING ABOUT. SO I WOULD EVEN

3:20:55IF WE DON'T GET A STAFF

3:20:56PRESENTATION, LIKE TO HAVE A

3:20:58DISCUSSION WITH OTHER

3:20:59COUNCILMEMBERS ABOUT THE THINGS

3:21:00THAT THEY HAVE LEARNED OR HAVE

3:21:01OUR MAYOR COME DOWN AS WELL TO

3:21:03HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH US IN

3:21:06PUBLIC. I DON'T TNK THAT THIS

3:21:07IS A CONVERSATION WE SHOULD ONLY

3:21:09HAVE IN PRIVATE, AND WE AS

3:21:11COUNCILMEMBERS AREN'T ABLE TO

3:21:14HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON SUBJECT

3:21:15MATTERS LIKE THIS ALL TOGETHER

3:21:18AS 13 IN PRITE. THAT'S JUST

3:21:21NOT POSSIBLE. SO THAT'S WHY

3:21:22I'LL BE VOTING TO REFER THIS TO

3:21:25BUDGET SO WE HAVE TIME TO HAVE

3:21:27THAT CONVERSATION. MAYBE IT

3:21:30ENDS UP BEING SHORTER BECSE WE

3:21:32HAVE COVERED SO MUCH BUT I WOULD

3:21:33LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK AND BE

3:21:36GERMANE TO WHAT'S HAPPENING

3:21:37ABOUT THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE

3:21:39AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT

3:21:40IT. COUNCILMEMBER CHUTAI, ARE

3:21:41YOU NEXT IN QUEUE? IS.

3:21:42>> I STILL HAVE THE FLOOR I

3:21:44BELIEVE. SO JUST LIKE YOU

3:21:45DISAGREE WITH ME, I'M

3:21:46DISAGREEING WITH YOU. WE KEEP

3:21:48TAKING THESEUBLIC ATTACKS AT

3:21:50THE MAYOR AND HIS DECISION.

3:21:52LET'S SIT DOWN IN PRIVATE AND

3:21:53JUST WORK THIS OUT. AND STOP

3:21:59HOLDING THE STAFF HOSTAGE AND

3:22:00OURSELVES HOSTAGE. IT'S 5:00.

3:22:02>> THAT,HAT IS JUST OUT OF

3:22:03ORDER. FOR YOU TO SAY AND

3:22:05ASSUME OF MEMBE UP HERE AND

3:22:07THIS BODY. LIKE I BELIEVE WE'RE

3:22:09HAVING A POLICY CONVERSATION. I

3:22:11ALREADY HAD MY TIME,

3:22:12COUNCILMEMBER CHUGHTAI.

3:22:14>> MADAM CHAIR. IN THE INTERES

3:22:16OF TIM CAN I CALL T QUESTION

3:22:18HERE SO WE CAN MAKE A DECISION?

3:22:20I WANT TO SEE THIS MOVE TO THE

3:22:21BUDGET COMMITTEE.

3:22:22>> SECOND.

3:22:22>> IF OTHERS DON'T, I CAN LIVE

3:22:23WITH THAT, BUT I'LL CALL THE

3:22:26QUESTION.

3:22:26>> ALL RIGHT. CLERKS, ON THE

3:22:29MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION,

3:22:31WHICH YOU NEED A TWO-THIRDS VOTE

3:22:33FOR, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

3:22:35>> COUNCILMEMBER PAYNE.

3:22:37>> AYE.

3:22:37>> WONSLEY.

3:22:38>> AYE.

3:22:39>> RAINVILLE.

3:22:40>> NO.

3:22:40>> VETAW.

3:22:43>> NO.

3:22:44>> WARREN.

3:22:47>> YEAH.

3:22:47>> OSMAN.

3:22:47>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE

3:22:48DOING ANYMORE.

3:22:49>> OSMAN.

3:22:49>> TRYING TO END DEBATE.

3:22:53>> COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN.

3:22:56>> NO.

3:22:56>> SHAFFER IS ABSENT. SORRY.

3:22:58STEVENSON. IS ABSENT. CHAVEZ.

3:23:02>> AYE.

3:23:04>> PALMISANO. ALSO ABSENT.

3:23:05VICE CHAIR CHUGHTAI.

3:23:07>> AYE.

3:23:07>> CHAIR CHOWDHURY.

3:23:10>> AYE.

3:23:10>> THERE A SIX AYES AND THREE

3:23:11NAYS. CLERKS, DOES THAT CARRY?

3:23:17>> THAT'S TWO-THIRDS, YEAH.

3:23:18>> THAT'S TWO-THIRDS.

3:23:19>> IT IS?

3:23:20>> MM-HMM.

3:23:20>> OKAY. I'M GOING TO WAIT FOR

3:23:21THE CLERK TO VERIFY. AND THEN I

3:23:26WILL --

3:23:27>> THAT'S TWO-THIR.

3:23:27>> CALL IT 6 AND 3, THAT'S 9.

3:23:30>> CORRECT.

3:23:30>> ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE CAN

3:23:33PROCEED INTO THE MOTION.

3:23:36CLERKS, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON

3:23:37THE MOTION TO REFER TO BUDGET ON

3:23:42OCTOBER 5th.

3:23:42>>> COUNCILMEMBER PAYNE.

3:23:43>> AYE.

3:23:44>> WONSLEY.

3:23:45>> AYE.

3:23:46>> RAINVILLE.

3:23:47>> NO.

3:23:47>> VETAW.

3:23:50>> NO.

3:23:51>> WARREN.

3:23:52>> NO.

3:23:52>> OSMAN.

3:23:55>> AYE.

3:23:56>> STEVENSON -- CHAVEZ.

3:23:58>> AYE.

3:23:59>> PALMISANO. VICE CHAIR

3:24:01CHUGHTAI.

3:24:02>> AYE.

3:24:02>> CHAIR CHOWDHURY.

3:24:03>> AYE.

3:24:03>> THERE ARE SIX AYES AND THREE

3:24:05NAYS.

3:24:06>> THAT MOTION CARRIES. WE ARE

3:24:11REALLY FAR PAST TIME, AND I CAN

3:24:12TELL COMMITTEE MEMBERSRE ALSO

3:24:15WORN OUT FOR THE DAY, SO WE'RE

3:24:16GOING TO SKIP DOING THE REPORTS

3:24:18OF STANDING COMMITTEES. SO

3:24:20SEEING NO BUSINESS BEFORE US, I

3:24:22NOW DECLARE THIS MEETING

3:24:23ADJOURD.