2026-09-22 - Urban Design Commission

00:04All right. Good evening everyone. It is

00:06Tuesday, September 22nd, 2026, and the

00:09time is 6:11 p.m. I now call this

00:12meeting of the Urban Design Commission

00:14to order. Pursuant of chapter 2 of the

00:16Acts of 2025, this meeting of the Urban

00:19Design Commission is conducted via

00:20remote participation, and we'll make

00:22recordings available upon request as

00:24soon as possible after the meeting. My

00:26name is Estella Organet and I am the

00:28chair for tonight's meeting and we will

00:30start with a roll call vote for

00:31commissions present. Commission members

00:33present. Deborah Fenick

00:35>> present.

00:36>> Martin Pavlich

00:38>> present.

00:39>> Tim Talon

00:40>> present.

00:41>> And with three members present, we do

00:42have quorum. Uh the first order of

00:45business is the approval of the August

00:4622nd, 2026 minutes. Um if anyone has

00:50comments or notes uh that need

00:53correction,

00:55>> please. I

00:56>> I thought we approved these already.

01:01>> I think

01:03>> if I went through maybe I went through

01:04the wrong package.

01:05>> We might have approved the design

01:08recommendation.

01:11>> Oh

01:11>> yeah. And I think we we did if we had an

01:15I think this was the only one we had

01:16really this summer, but this is we

01:18haven't voted on these.

01:20>> Okay.

01:24Yeah, very well written. I thought very

01:26comprehensive.

01:28>> That's Kristen if she's on here. I think

01:31no, she usually watches the video after.

01:34>> Nice. Compliments to Kristen or

01:36noteaker. Um, but if there [snorts] are

01:41no comments, I am happy to

01:45ask if there is a motion to approve.

01:49Motion to approve.

01:51>> Thank you, Deborah. And a second.

01:53>> Second.

01:54>> Thanks, Martin. Uh, and a roll call

01:55vote. Deborah Fenick,

01:57>> yes.

01:58>> Martin Pavinich,

01:59>> yes.

02:00>> Tim Talon,

02:01>> yes.

02:03>> Great. And with three votes, um, the

02:06minutes are approved for August 22nd,

02:092026.

02:11Um, next is the design review for 382

02:14McGrath Highway. If the applicants can

02:19raise their hand to present and we can

02:22give you all

02:25access and thank you see as sorry if I

02:28miss saying it and Alan um and please

02:32keep your hand up if so that we can give

02:34you sharing capabilities and as a

02:38reminder you all have 20 minutes to

02:40present afterwards we will have comments

02:43uh and questions by the committee Sure.

02:50Thank you. Uh let me share my screen. Um

02:55could you please give me the um

02:59let me share the screen. [clears throat]

03:01Okay. Got it.

03:06So here is the um the design for the uh

03:11382 McLar. And then uh unfortunately the

03:16our designer is not here today. So I'm

03:18the one% the whole uh uh PDF here. So

03:26uh so this building is like uh

03:29renovation

03:31and then we also want to like renew the

03:34exterior wall and then uh also add one

03:38more floor on the top. Um so here is

03:41like the um the proposed floor plan

03:46uh site plan and then uh here's the

03:48first row. Um, so we make the

03:53we try to add the um Oh, give me a

03:56second.

03:58So we try to add the um [clears throat]

04:01Oh, okay. Oh, our designer is in the

04:03call. Okay. Um, maybe he can like

04:06present.

04:10Let me see.

04:12>> Oh, yeah. Wiahead.

04:14Yep.

04:17Lexi, can you let Wia in?

04:24>> Yes. Wait one second.

04:27>> Okay, let me stop sharing and give you

04:29one.

04:43Awesome.

04:54Okay, you both should be able to share

04:55your screen.

04:56>> Yes, thank you Alex.

04:58>> Thank you for opportunities and good

04:59evening everyone.

05:02Let me share my screen.

05:33Okay. Uh since the last tense meeting

05:37our uh we did two major updates. One is

05:41the our update the building floor plan

05:44uh to comage with our landscape design

05:47proposals. Uh so our project is on the

05:52um it's at 382 McGrath highway is next

05:56to um uh McGrath highway and then also

06:01the recloser Greenland maybe 7 minute

06:05walk from there um and

06:08this was we show last 10 of three

06:11different uh massing studies

06:14um and

06:16and the exterior uh material

06:19study and and options. Um and our the

06:23current part current build uh there's a

06:26existing building uh currently it's

06:28about uh three different three floors

06:31three levels um and with the one

06:34addition on top that and also uh re lay

06:38out the interior of the project and

06:42based on the last 10's meeting we were

06:45showing the floor plan that that's where

06:48we show on the last time last 10's

06:51meeting grow plan which uh uh and this

06:54time we did some updates on first on the

06:56basement um on one part the basement is

07:00uh is one questions and the the wing uh

07:04assess some point sometimes this is

07:07impossible impossible to passing through

07:10and we so reorganize the uh layout we

07:14take out uh this the unit and and become

07:18and then also and uh bring is this space

07:22become part of the floor once uh a unit

07:26space which I will show on the the next

07:28page. Um as as this uh so now now uh uh

07:35basically

07:37uh the basement part this part the units

07:40will be the unit street uh here and when

07:43I I can I have a stair access down to

07:46here and now it become part the one unit

07:50and share the the wheels from here and

07:53access out and beside that um rest the

07:57other flowers were just uh uh same as uh

08:01as last 10 doesn't do any updates just

08:06remain uh same uh as before and and Alan

08:11is our uh landscape designer also in the

08:15call

08:29Hello. Can you hear me?

08:32>> Yes, we can.

08:34>> Oh, yeah.

08:37Uh, if landscape designer can can

08:39present the our landscape design parts

08:43would be great.

08:44>> Yeah. Uh, so uh could you please let us

08:47see if join

08:49so he can present the landscape.

08:59can you uh raise your hand please on the

09:02call so that we can promote you.

09:05Thank you.

09:11Or Lexi, did you see if on the attendees

09:14list?

09:15>> Yes.

09:16>> Thank you.

09:26It just said he declined to

09:30>> be promoted.

09:33>> Let me try again.

09:37There you go. Awesome.

09:48>> Yes. Can you hear me now?

09:50>> Yes, we can.

09:52>> Okay. So, uh I'm not the uh landscape

09:55designer. I'm the project manager here.

09:57She was supposed to be here, but I some

10:01reason she's is not here. So, I do have

10:04the landscape plan which I will present

10:07here on her behalf. So, our stamp plan

10:11is right here. I will share my screen.

10:22Share.

10:24Okay. Post disabled. Tandy. Can you uh

10:28let me my screen sharing?

10:32>> Yes. I just promoted you. Give it one

10:34second.

10:35>> Okay.

10:54Is it working as if

10:56>> uh let me see

10:59it still says host disabled attendy

11:02screen sharing.

11:06>> Okay. Yeah. Still still that error.

11:10One second.

11:13>> Mhm.

11:33>> You should be promoted to co-host now.

11:38Uh still same host disabled attendee

11:41screen sharing. So but anyway um I I can

11:45verbally explain

11:48>> and someone on your team like Alan do

11:50you have the plans or do you have the

11:53plans that you can share so that

11:56>> they Oh yeah plan.

12:01So

12:06or is there a way if I can go into chat

12:09and drop over there my notes. So

12:11>> I make a

12:12>> I make a cheat sheet for everybody to

12:15make easy.

12:17So in chat I'm not able to drop anything

12:21too. So

12:23and it's not letting me share too.

12:26So probably in your records we already

12:28submitted that urban landscaping design

12:31before. Um admin can you find that?

12:45>> Uh give me a second. Uh let me share

12:48your

12:48>> No, I'm asking them like urban design

12:51admin. We submitted them our design

12:54before the meeting

12:56when we scheduled the meeting. So

12:58probably they have the stamped copy.

13:01>> Yeah, they I provided to all of them

13:03your

13:04>> Yes, please.

13:05>> Um

13:07all of your documents. Do you want me to

13:10open them for you and share them?

13:13>> Well,

13:15I have them up. I can also share.

13:19Wait no I can't sh I can't share either

13:22>> something. So um so I I will explain

13:25that. So um in MR4 district the required

13:29green score is 25.

13:34So our landscape architect submitted a

13:36copy with 31. So city target is 30. We

13:40are above one point.

13:43This is one change to to make us

13:45compliant with the lands with the green

13:47score.

13:51And on our submitted report it shows all

13:54the technical details what we did to be

13:57as compliant.

14:01This these are the plans. So there will

14:03be a

14:04>> it should be on page 14.

14:06>> Yes.

14:26Is this the page you wanted on?

14:29>> Yes. Uh this is the copy. Yep.

14:32>> Okay.

14:32>> So, this is a certified landscape

14:35architect um architect report proving we

14:39are compliant with the green city green

14:41score standard.

14:43Sorry is 25, city target is 30, we are

14:48at 31.

14:51So in our previous meeting the agenda

14:54was to go to the certified architect and

14:57bring a compliant report which shows we

14:59are compliant with the city green score

15:01mandated for this construction.

15:08So we replace couple plantations over

15:11there like we remove the taller shrubs

15:12with the smaller ones

15:14to make us compliant.

15:24And just as a point of clarification, as

15:27if um

15:30>> green score is just one of many um sort

15:33of design standards that

15:36>> you all have to meet and I just wanted

15:38to clarify and put that on record. This

15:40isn't the only thing. You don't just

15:41meet green square and then become

15:42compliant at the landscape, right? There

15:44are other guidelines.

15:46>> So, so others were the other point was

15:48to to keep the pavers on the frontage.

15:51And the third point was 12 ft sidewalk

15:55on the frontage. And then there was a

15:57window well question. I'm recalling my

15:59memories. And beside the window well, it

16:03was a question

16:06um Alan for the bike racks. How we going

16:09to compliant with the bike racks? So we

16:11provide two four racks on the front and

16:13two on the back. So Alan if you want to

16:18share your design categories with here

16:24>> I don't have design on this computer.

16:26>> No mean the points I'm explaining to

16:28you. Can you tell them how we compliant

16:29with the four bike racks?

16:32>> I do have um I do have a comprehensive

16:34report but it's not letting me share. So

16:36if you're not I will open the report and

16:38I will I will just read my document.

16:40>> Okay.

16:41>> Okay. Let me let me go through my

16:43document then I will read verbally.

16:49So bicycle parking we pro we are pro it

16:52the bicycle parking was one point as per

16:55the design criteria to get approved. So

16:58we are providing four short-term spaces

17:02hoop hoop racks and two long-term spaces

17:05near

17:07as an ad entrance.

17:10So, urban design admin, do you have a

17:14question on this bicycle parking stuff?

17:17Because this was a one point of the

17:19agenda for the design itself.

17:25>> How many wears are required and how many

17:28are you providing?

17:30>> So, we we are providing four on front

17:32and two on the rear.

17:34>> And what's required?

17:37>> So, this is a requirement.

17:40You're not required to provide one per

17:42unit.

17:44>> So,

17:46so Alan Ellen here because I was not

17:48present in the last meeting. Can you

17:49recall your memory? What was what was

17:51the last meeting point?

17:53>> So, so we provide two short-term by

17:56parking space uh uh near the entrance

17:59the front entrance. Also, we have like

18:04uh 15 like uh parking spot inside the

18:08long-term parking spot inside the

18:09building.

18:10>> Okay. Okay.

18:12>> So, 15

18:14>> 15

18:15>> 15 are inside.

18:17>> Six are outside. 15 plus six.

18:20>> No, two.

18:25two short-term and this uh 15 like

18:28longterm.

18:29[clears throat]

18:39Okay. And then the second point was

18:41basement light access. So we replace

18:44tall shrubs near window wells with low

18:48profile species like Christmas fan,

18:51Japanese forest. These are the

18:52plantation cipishes to maximize light to

18:55lower units while maintaining our 31

18:58green score.

19:00So by you guys it was a question last in

19:03last meeting how we going to maintain

19:05our green score around the window wells.

19:09So the question for that is we are just

19:12removing tall shrubs with the low

19:14profile shrub species.

19:20This was the second point agenda in in

19:23last meeting and the third one was

19:25streetscape and sidewalk. So we the

19:27answer for that one is we fully maintain

19:29UDC mandated 12 ft sidewalk with along

19:33Migraat highway with ADA compliant

19:36landing.

19:39And then the fourth um question was

19:42screening and materials.

19:45So the answer is we are we have gated

19:48trash enclosure,

19:50six feet wood privacy fencing with metal

19:53post along property lines and tonsil

19:57fiberglass planters on upper decks to to

20:00look beautiful with our neighbors.

20:04So as for my notes, these four points

20:08and the certified landscape plan showing

20:12us compliant which we are now. So I have

20:15five point agenda. If Urban Design

20:18Commission still thinks we have some

20:21stuff left, please guide us.

20:26>> Can you share the plans again? It's hard

20:29to

20:30understand what we're looking at talking

20:32about without

20:33>> which plans uh landscape plans. Yeah,

20:36just

20:37>> I am trying to share but uh it's not

20:41letting me share

20:43>> or if there is a email that I can send a

20:45email copy promptly to everybody.

20:49>> I mean this should have been in the

20:51packet that we all got. Um

20:54>> the packet we got this week was was very

20:56short and didn't have much of anything

20:58in it. So

21:00>> Mhm.

21:01>> So it's kind of tough for us to look

21:04through everything.

21:05>> Yeah. So So I have another this option

21:09like I can you can send a I can shoot a

21:11quick email to everybody right now.

21:15>> Okay.

21:15>> If there [clears throat] is an email

21:16address.

21:18>> Do you have the file? Can you send a

21:20file in WeChat? I can open right away.

21:22>> Oh yes.

21:24[clears throat] my colleagues

21:26have.

21:27>> Yeah, I have.

21:29>> Let me let me send a file to you in Vhat

21:32and you can [clears throat] just a

21:33minute.

21:40Okay, just stamp right here.

21:45Share.

21:49Careful.

22:00Sorry guys to waste a lot of time.

22:06>> Yes. And on that note, you you have five

22:09more minutes. I give you an extra minute

22:11just because of the logistics.

22:12>> Uh yeah. Yep.

22:13>> Thank you. So

22:17this

22:30>> because uh the meeting is on. It's not

22:31letting me share with the v chat. Alan,

22:33do you have the stamp file on your

22:35computer?

22:36>> Uh let me check. Um

22:41>> I have the one similar with yours. So

22:44>> you can share you you can share that for

22:46now.

22:47>> Yeah, I can share it.

22:48>> Okay.

22:49>> Uh

22:57me share.

23:00Okay. Uh so can everyone see that?

23:04>> Yes. Thank you.

23:05>> Good. Good. Okay. So here's the lengths

23:09gap plan.

23:13You want to continue?

23:14>> Yes. Just a minute. Um I'm trying to

23:16send mine one too. Just a Yes, I got it

23:19right here. So let me see. Yes.

23:22So I'm sharing the stamped one with on

23:24vchhat so you guys can share too.

23:27>> Okay.

23:28>> Just a

23:32mira.

23:35And then I'm going to share my cheat

23:37chat with which will make things easier.

23:47>> Okay.

23:49>> Because we just have some three two

23:51three minutes left. So we need to be

23:52quick. So I I sent both files in vhat so

23:56you guys can share over here.

23:57>> Yeah, sure. Let me let me open it.

24:00>> Uhhuh.

24:02So

24:07on the that is a pretty comprehensive

24:10report. So in in our cheat sheet is just

24:12showing what is that and after the

24:14meeting they can review in detail to

24:16save the time right now.

24:46Uh, what's going on?

24:56Oh, I got it now. Let me share right

24:59now.

25:00>> So this is the one

25:02I ask.

25:03>> Yes, this is the cheat sheet. This is a

25:05copy the comprehensive. This is a

25:07summary of the green score. Okay.

25:11For them to review. And then there is

25:12another copy stamped plans.

25:14>> Mhm.

25:15>> Which you can share over here to show

25:16them.

25:17>> Yeah, sure.

25:18>> Show the respected member. He was asking

25:20for that report. First open that so they

25:22they will familiar what is that.

25:25>> Okay. Let me see how can I do it.

25:29>> No, you just open to show them here.

25:32>> Yeah.

25:32>> Once they they saw that the stamp of the

25:35architect, then we can go back on this

25:37cheat sheet.

25:38>> Yeah, sure. This is the one like

25:40stamped.

25:41>> Yes. [clears throat] Yes. He's asking

25:42for this one. Sir, you asked for this

25:44report. It's on It's up here.

26:10Yeah, basically this is just showing we

26:12got a certified landscape architect to

26:15do all that compliance work and all the

26:17technical details are over here.

26:20>> Okay. Can you zoom in on the plan? Like

26:23it's hard for us to see what's on here.

26:25>> Okay.

26:26>> Um because I remember there being a

26:28grading issue. So that's you could see

26:30that. Look, it's under 2% there. Um, as

26:34I recall, there was an issue

26:39with access to the back. Um, like the

26:42planting that's all around the building.

26:44>> There's no

26:45>> there's no access path or any way to

26:48maintain really there. So that was one

26:51of the issues last time as well. Um

26:58I'm just trying to see.

26:59>> So I if you guys think we are very short

27:03on time, we can make a list of your

27:05questions again here and we can request

27:07another meeting.

27:11>> Yes. Yeah, we are at our 20 minutes just

27:14as a

27:15>> Yeah, I don't think this was enough.

27:17Yeah. So then um how we can get all your

27:20questions so we we come back with all

27:22the quest answers next in next meeting.

27:24Is there a way or if you send us an

27:26email?

27:29>> So if I can jump in um

27:32>> yes

27:33>> I think we've reviewed this a number of

27:36times um at a number of different

27:38meetings. I understand this was

27:40submitted a few years ago. Um, and you

27:43came back with some changes that

27:45expanded basically the the size of the

27:48building.

27:49>> Um, we reviewed this project in April

27:52and I think provided pretty targeted

27:55feedback. Um, I'm seeing some issues

27:59addressed

28:00um, but others are not. Um, the package

28:04we received was incomplete. didn't

28:07include all the submission requirements

28:10and there appears to be discrepancies

28:12between different materials that are

28:15being submitted. For example, if you

28:18compare this plan

28:20>> to the architectural ground floor plan,

28:23this plan is not showing all the light

28:25wells that are proposed

28:28[clears throat]

28:28>> either along the back um or along the

28:31sides of the building. And that was a

28:33specific comment we had provided the

28:35last time. In addition to that, none of

28:38the materials accurately show the

28:40context around the building and that's

28:43critical. This is not a flat site.

28:45There's retaining walls on all sides.

28:47Our specific feedback was around the

28:50viability of units in the basement given

28:54that condition and the overhead you're

28:55proposing. And if I can finish

29:00>> um and so I don't see one I see

29:03discrepancies between the different

29:05materials. I don't see the material um

29:09or I don't see enough documentation of

29:12the context to be able to understand um

29:15whether or not those light wells are

29:17actually able to get any light into them

29:20and thus be viable. Um so it would be my

29:23thought to recommend against uh approval

29:26of the project tonight.

29:29>> Yeah.

29:34>> Should should I say something?

29:37>> You may.

29:38>> Yes. So because um I'm dealing all the

29:42technical technicalities of this

29:44project. Last time those two gentlemen

29:46was there. So as I said if I can get a a

29:49feedback copy from you guys. So we in

29:51next meeting we'll come prepared with

29:54all your questions will that work and we

29:57request a next next meeting.

30:00>> So uh on that technicality we have

30:02already seen this project three times

30:05which is the sort of limit that we

30:08>> um have without a vote. So I think we

30:13would need to

30:15>> um depending on how this conversation

30:17goes figure out

30:18>> in what direction that vote will or

30:21should take. Um so if there are any

30:24other comments from the commission

30:25members, if there are

30:29additional discrepancies or comments to

30:32the plans that you want to pose that

30:35will inform what type of vote we end up

30:37taking. I'm happy to hear those right

30:39now. If I could add something, um,

30:42because this is an advisory committee,

30:45you as the applicant are allowed to

30:47request another design review meeting.

30:49We're just not allowed to keep going

30:51back and forth with you and drag it on

30:53like legally because this is advisory,

30:56not like planning board or zoning board.

30:58But if you would like to have a meeting

31:00in two weeks and address the

31:02commission's comments, you can request

31:04that. So if you send me an email to

31:06urban design at and I get it in writing,

31:09you just say I would like to continue my

31:12item to the next meeting, then you can

31:14request that. But

31:16>> we couldn't propose that.

31:19>> All right.

31:19>> So it's up to you really.

31:21>> Okay.

31:23>> I'll just add that if you do please

31:25submit the correct stuff. this is this

31:27felt like a bit of a a waste of time

31:29because we

31:31we haven't seen this in months and we

31:33need to see you addressing our comments

31:37clearly. Um it would be great if

31:40everyone if there was one packet that

31:43everyone was sharing rather than you

31:44know it it was just it it was a bit of a

31:46tough one here because we don't have

31:48anything to speak to really and so we

31:50don't know we don't know if this was

31:51addressed. We don't know much of

31:53anything. Um because Yeah. So it like

31:56please if you're going to request

31:59another meeting, please

32:01>> Sure.

32:02>> be be thorough, be be clear, look back

32:05at your notes from the previous meetings

32:08and and

32:10>> Right.

32:11>> Sure.

32:11>> And give us give us something to to chew

32:13on here.

32:14>> And as additional reference Oh, sorry.

32:16Go for it, Deborah, please. Oh, and and

32:19um we it isn't our responsibility to be

32:22hunting down what you know how you've

32:25accomplished something. You need to very

32:28clearly I think my colleagues have

32:30mentioned that very clearly um describe

32:32what you know what the comments were and

32:35how you've addressed it. uh and in the

32:37package that we receive ahead of time. A

32:39lot of us, you know, this takes time and

32:42we do do time spend some time before

32:45these sessions to review the documents.

32:48So, it's um only fair to this group that

32:51you are giving us a competent um package

32:54that you know ticks you know that

32:56addresses everything that we've talked

32:58about, everything that's required in the

33:00submission.

33:03>> Sure. And if you could and if you could

33:04make sure that everyone who is involved

33:08in putting the documents together is

33:10present, that'd be great, too. Like we

33:12would love to have had the actual

33:13landscape architect

33:15here who we who who stamped the drawings

33:18so we could talk to them. You know, if

33:20there's questions that we want to ask

33:21them that you guys don't know the answer

33:22to, like that doesn't help anyone. So,

33:25please just have

33:28>> be come come come prepared is is all I

33:31can say.

33:31>> Sure. Thank you.

33:34>> Right. And I just wanted to clarify that

33:36you can still request another meeting,

33:38but um just because it has gone on for

33:42multiple sessions across years, um I as

33:46the chair would advise that we take a

33:48vote. Um

33:50the the initial votes on the table were

33:53on uh facade design guidelines and

33:56additional guidance. And so just as a

33:59reference to the applicant, we want to

34:01make sure that all of the materials that

34:02we receive are in line with uh our

34:05zoning ordinance, right? So making sure

34:07that um you are meeting the design

34:11guidelines for midrise district or your

34:14your mid-rise district. So that's um the

34:17zoning ordinance section 4 um and all of

34:20the other sections and development

34:22reviews standards. Um and so that is

34:25what we're expecting. So, if we were

34:27also expecting to vote on facade options

34:31and we are still seeing the same plans

34:35or or architectural plans, right? So,

34:37we're not seeing any facade details or

34:40the giving information to allow the

34:42commission to vote on facade. Um,

34:46so just all of these

34:49things stacking up to emphasize that we

34:52need to see a lot more material to make

34:56a

34:57>> adequate

34:59recommendation.

35:01>> Yeah. And I want to re um emphasize what

35:04Tim had said earlier about context.

35:07We're not a building review committee.

35:10We're an urban design review committee.

35:12So it is absolutely critical for us to

35:15understand how this fits into the

35:18context. I mean I do appreciate that you

35:19did mention where the transit you know

35:22spots were and it gave us a little bit

35:24of orientation but I think that's really

35:26important and it was it's really hard to

35:28look at this landscape plan. This other

35:30point I wanted to make without having

35:32the facades in the package. You know I I

35:35had no idea what I was looking at and I

35:38didn't realize I've actually seen this

35:40twice. So um uh you know that's I just

35:45wanted to make that point also.

35:54>> Okay.

35:55>> Yeah. I I think I think it's all that I

35:58think it's the it's the content um the

36:01incompleteness of the application but I

36:03think it's also the content of what what

36:06you have provided. Um, it feels like

36:08this project's designed to maximize, you

36:12know, number of bedrooms and and overall

36:15square footage, not to provide good

36:18places for people to live. Um, and I I

36:23just have too many questions about the

36:25viability of it. Even this landscape

36:27plan, you have a second story that

36:29overhangs all these landscape areas and

36:31retaining walls on either side.

36:36There will be no light that gets to

36:37these plantings. Will they survive?

36:42>> So, so on this one they said this this

36:44planting is designed so the species they

36:48choose is a shade tolerant species.

36:52>> There's they're shade tolerant though.

36:54Like I'm I'm familiar with these plants.

36:55They're shade tolerant but that that

36:58still requires a greater than zero

37:00amount of sun. and the way that this

37:02looks, especially if there's retaining

37:04walls on either side, like I don't see

37:05much of any sun like they So, so I think

37:10it just needs it needs some real

37:11consideration. And I really appreciate

37:14what we said last time was that there's

37:16the same issue and and I think what you

37:19need to do is go back to the drawing

37:20board a bit and understand how light is

37:23going to get to this surface and for the

37:26plants and for the window wells and and

37:31it's you know and that hasn't been

37:32addressed at all since the last time we

37:34spoke and so we really need to see that.

37:37>> Sure.

37:38>> So I would take some time. It's not, you

37:40know, but yeah, we can't we can't do

37:43much with this.

37:44>> True.

37:45>> Okay.

37:48>> I think if others are are comfortable, I

37:51I would make a motion to recommend uh

37:53against approval uh of the project.

37:57>> A second.

37:59>> Right. So, the motion on the table is to

38:01recommend against approval from Tim

38:02Talon and a second from Martin Pavlich.

38:06Um and now we will move to a roll call

38:09vote. Uh, Deborah Fenick,

38:18>> sorry. I I agree with the motion.

38:21>> Martin Pavinich,

38:23>> yes.

38:24>> And Tim Talon,

38:25>> yes.

38:27>> And with three votes, that motion

38:29passes. Unfortunately, um the committee

38:31is recommending against approval, but

38:34again, as um Lexi was able to explain

38:37and reiterate, um you are still able to

38:40call for another meeting. Um but we will

38:42work with you to figure out what that

38:45will look like and um especially because

38:47again this has been a pretty long time

38:50frame. Um but if you have any questions,

38:52please reach out to the urban design um

38:55email and Lexi and I will touch base

38:57with you all.

38:58>> Okay. Thank you all for your time and

39:00patience.

39:02>> Thank you.

39:02>> Thank you.

39:04>> Byebye.

39:07And that is everything on today's

39:10agenda.

39:12Is that right?

39:16>> Yeah, that's everything.

39:17>> Awesome. Thank you. And can I is have a

39:20motion to adjurnn?

39:22>> So moved.

39:24>> Thank you, Martin. and

39:26>> second.

39:28>> I'm missing Deborah. Still seconds.

39:30Thank you, Deborah. Uh, and a roll call

39:32vote. Deborah Fenick,

39:34>> yes.

39:34>> Martin Palnich,

39:36>> yes.

39:37>> Tim Talon,

39:38>> yes.

39:39>> Great. And that motion passes. So, we

39:40are adjourning the meeting at 6:51.

39:43Thank you, commission members.

39:45>> Thanks.

39:46>> Thanks, guys.

39:46>> Good night.

39:47>> Bye. Bye.

39:48>> Bye. Bye. the mail.