2026-10-27 - City Council

00:56The council will come to order. All rise

00:59and salute the flag.

01:02I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

01:05United States of America and to the

01:07republic for which it stands, one nation

01:10under God, indivisible, with liberty and

01:13justice for all. Please remain standing

01:16for a moment of silence in honor of our

01:18veterans, service members, and those who

01:20have given the ultimate sacrifice.

01:28We honor and acknowledge the

01:29Massachusett Penuk and Pucket peoples

01:32whose ancestral lands we now call home

01:34and on which we gather today. We express

01:36gratitude to the indigenous peoples who

01:38have cared for this land for

01:39generations, predating European

01:41colonization and continuing to the

01:43present. Moving forward, we are

01:45committed to ensuring that the

01:46histories, voices, and contributions of

01:48indigenous peoples are recognized and

01:51respected in the life of our city.

01:53Clerk, will you please call the role?

02:00>> Council Cologne Hayes

02:01>> here.

02:02>> Council Condan

02:03>> here.

02:04>> Council Crow

02:04>> here.

02:05>> Council Lew.

02:07>> Council McDonald

02:08>> here.

02:08>> Council Ali

02:11>> here.

02:12>> Council Seca

02:13>> here. Council Simmonelli here.

02:15>> Council Taylor

02:16>> here.

02:16>> Council Winslow

02:17>> here.

02:18>> Council President Lahan

02:19>> here.

02:20>> Council Ali is online with us tonight in

02:22attendance via team. So all of the roll

02:25all of the votes will be taken this

02:26evening by roll call vote. Okay. And we

02:28do see councelor Ali. Thank you so much

02:30for being with us remotely. Councelor

02:32Ali. Okay. So, under the provisions of

02:35the open meeting law, for those of you

02:36who are in attendance tonight, please be

02:39a informed that UMA Urban Media Arts is

02:41recording this evening's meeting. So, be

02:43aware that there will be both audio and

02:45video recordings of tonight's meeting.

02:48Is there anyone else present in the

02:50chamber tonight who's recording in

02:52addition to Uma? If so, could you make

02:54yourself known? Okay, seeing none, we'll

02:57go to our first order of business.

03:01First order of business is public

03:02comment. Public comment is allowed under

03:04council rules. Each speaker is limited

03:06to subject matter relevant to this

03:08evening's agenda and speakers must keep

03:10their comments to two minutes or less.

03:12Uh clerk, do we have anybody signed up

03:14for public comment tonight?

03:15>> We do not, but we did get one email.

03:17>> Okay, let's go ahead and read the email.

03:19>> Katie Dylan, 198 Mount Vernon Street to

03:21the Malden City Council. I am hoping

03:24this is the last time I'll write to you

03:26about inclusionary zoning this time

03:28around. Not that I don't love

03:30corresponding with you all. I am

03:32confident that you've heard the feedback

03:33from community members and experts over

03:35the last few months about the importance

03:37of adopting a the I'm sorry, the new

03:40proposal for inclusionary zoning so we

03:42can actually start building housing in

03:44the city. The current inclusionary

03:46zoning is certainly well intended in its

03:47design, but there have only been three

03:50affordable projects built in the last 5

03:52years. That's not enough to meet the

03:53demand. I hope you'll adopt this

03:54proposal so we can start to build some

03:56sorely needed housing. Thank you very

03:58much warmly, Katie Dylan.

04:01Okay. Thank you.

04:02>> Thank you.

04:02>> Next order of business,

04:04>> appointments and elections. We have

04:06three of them before you this evening.

04:07Paper 440-26

04:09council reappoint Dr. Scoon Carrington

04:12551 Lind Street Malden as the member of

04:15the board of health said term to

04:17commence upon confirmation by the city

04:18council and expire October 22nd, 2029.

04:24>> Okay. So, we do need a roll call vote

04:27for this. I'm going to go to councelor

04:28>> Carl. Can we actually read all of these?

04:31They're all from the board of health.

04:33>> They are and they're all reappoints. Um

04:36paper 441-26

04:38council reappoint John Kangeli of 9 L

04:40Street Malden as a member of the board

04:42of health said term to commence upon

04:44confirmation by the city council and to

04:46expire on October 22nd, 2029. Paper

04:50442-26

04:53council reappoint Dr. Kuna Singh of 1127

04:56Salem Street, Malden as a member of the

04:58board of health said term to commence

05:00upon confirmation of the city council

05:02and expire October 22nd, 2029.

05:05>> Okay. I do have a light from councelor

05:07Winslow.

05:07>> Yeah, I just want to recognize the

05:11M Carrington's name is Sconeyi. Sconey

05:14the E. You pronounce the E. And I know

05:16John Coangi goes by Jack, our former

05:18fire chief. So, but I just wanted to

05:20make sure that for the record, her name

05:22is pronounced Sconey. So, yeah.

05:23>> Okay. Thank you for that.

05:29>> Okay. So, we need a motion to

05:32>> I'm going to make a motion just I'm

05:34going to if you don't mind.

05:36>> Yes, please do. the um since as the uh

05:38city clerk had mentioned, these are all

05:41reappoints to the board of health and um

05:44so and as in past that unless someone

05:47wants to pull somebody out and bring

05:48them into personnel and appointments, we

05:50have um on the floor

05:54approved the reappoints of and of re

05:57approved reappoints. Um and so Dr.

06:00Carrington, Mr. Kangeli, and Dr. Sing, I

06:05would make a motion that we approve

06:08their reappoint.

06:10>> Okay. On a motion by councelor Crow,

06:12seconded by councelor Cologne Hayes,

06:13we'll call the role

06:16>> on the first paper 440.

06:18Dr. Carrington. Council Cologne Hayes.

06:21>> Yes.

06:22>> Councelor Condan. Yes.

06:23>> Councelor Crow. Yes.

06:24>> Council Lewan. Yes.

06:25>> Council McDonald. Yes.

06:26>> Council Ali.

06:29>> Yes.

06:29>> Council Sega. Yes.

06:30>> Council Simonelli. Council Taylor.

06:32>> Yes. Councel Winsow. Council President

06:34Lahan. Yes. That confirmation has been

06:37made unanimously on paper 441.

06:40>> Um John Jack Kangeli. Council Clone

06:43Hayes.

06:44>> Yes.

06:44>> Council Condan.

06:46>> Yes.

06:46>> Council Crow.

06:47>> Yes.

06:47>> Council Lewong.

06:48>> Yes.

06:48>> Council McDonald. Yes.

06:50>> Council Ali.

06:53>> Yes.

06:53>> Council Sega. Yes.

06:54>> Council Simmonelli. Yes.

06:56>> Council Taylor. Yes.

06:57>> Council Winslow. Council President

06:59Linhan.

06:59>> Yes.

07:00>> Okay. Confirmed unanimously. And on the

07:03third paper 442 for Dr. Singh.

07:06>> Council Cologne Hayes.

07:07>> Yes.

07:08>> Council Condan.

07:09>> Yes.

07:09>> Council Crow.

07:10>> Yes.

07:10>> Council Lewong.

07:11>> Yes.

07:11>> Council McDonald.

07:12>> Yes.

07:12>> Council Ali.

07:15>> Yes.

07:15>> Council Sea. Yes. Council Seminelli.

07:17Council Taylor.

07:18>> Yes.

07:19>> Council Winsow. Council President Lahan.

07:21>> Yes.

07:22>> Okay. All three have been reconfirmed

07:25unanimously.

07:26>> Those three are confirmed. Uh next order

07:28of business.

07:30Council will hold public hearings on

07:32national grid petitions to install five

07:34new poles in underground conduits. Paper

07:37444-26

07:38petition Massachusetts Electric Company

07:41DBA National Grid plan number 31286263.

07:46National Grid to install one jointowned

07:48pole on Blaine Street beginning at

07:49approximately 60 feet south of the

07:52center line of the intersection of Lin

07:54and Blaine Streets in front of six

07:55Blaine. National grid to install a

07:57midspan pole P5145

08:0050 ft south of pole P2023.

08:04National grid to install install one

08:06joint owned pole on Hancock Road

08:08beginning at a point approximately 60 ft

08:10east of the center line of the

08:11intersection of Blaine and Hancock Road

08:13in front of 24 Blaine Street. National

08:15Grid to install new midsband pole

08:18P2025-50

08:2060 feet northeast of pole P2025

08:27National Grid to install one joint owned

08:29pole on Lind Street beginning at point

08:31approximately 180 ft west of the center

08:33line of the intersection of Lind Street

08:35and Sergeant Street adjacent to the

08:37property line of 148 Belleville Street.

08:39National Grid to install new pole P20003

08:42and anchors 30 feet east of P20002

08:45on Lind Street. National Grid to install

08:48two joint owned poles on Eastern Avenue.

08:50National Grid to install new midspan

08:52pole P1977

08:5450 ft west of pole P1978

08:57across the street from 1080 Eastern

08:59Avenue and install new midspan pole P

09:022901 55 ft east of pole P1980 across

09:07from street

09:08across the street from 114 Eastern

09:12Avenue. National Grid to install

09:14underground facilities on Broadway and

09:15Eastern Avenue, beginning at a point 180

09:17feet north of the center line of the

09:19intersection of Broadway and Eastern

09:21Avenue and continuing approximately 180

09:24ft south on Broadway and then east onto

09:27Eastern Avenue. National Grid to install

09:29a new cable duct bank from existing

09:31manhole 2-1 on Broadway

09:34to a new manhole 2-2 on Eastern Avenue

09:37to Rise of Pole P1979

09:39across the street from 1080 Eastern

09:42Avenue.

09:42>> Okay. Thank you so much to our clerk for

09:44reading those. I'm going to put on the

09:46podium microphone so the petitioners can

09:48introduce this and if folks have

09:50questions, we'll entertain questions

09:52before we open the hearing and then of

09:54course we'll hear from the ward

09:55counselor. So, if you don't mind

09:56introducing yourselves and introduce the

09:58petitions for us.

09:59>> Good evening, everyone. My name is Zayn.

10:01I'm with National Grid.

10:02>> Uh, my name is Cameron Roderick. I'm

10:04with Control Point Technologies. We're a

10:06contractor for National Grid.

10:07>> Okay. Welcome. Thank you. You have the

10:09floor.

10:11>> Um, so I'm I'm just going to open up for

10:14questions if you guys have any

10:15questions.

10:16>> Okay. Then I'll go to the ward counselor

10:17first. Councelor Seika.

10:19>> Good evening, Zayn. Um, I have a c

10:22couple of questions on a couple of

10:25um different locations. So in front of

10:28six explain

10:30what do you why are you adding another

10:33telephone poll?

10:37>> So the reason for this is because we're

10:40installing

10:40>> Can you speak a little closer to the

10:41microphone?

10:42>> Sorry. Apologies.

10:43>> So the reason for this poll is because

10:45we're adding a new circuit because due

10:47to the the loading of the current of the

10:49current circuit that feeds the area. So

10:52with the with this added wire that we're

10:54putting up on the on the lines, we have

10:57to make this turn on to Blaine from Lind

10:59Street and there has to be a way to

11:01support this the the tension on the on

11:04the cable. So the the f the best way to

11:07do it would be to put a pole across the

11:09street of Lynn and put a a span guy wire

11:12which is pretty much just a supporting

11:14cable. But we didn't want to interrupt

11:17with I believe there is a driveway right

11:20there. We didn't want to hinder have any

11:22have it close to the edge of the

11:24driveway. So, we found it best to

11:26install a new pole 50 ft south. And

11:29purpose of this is to we're going to use

11:33less tension in the wire and that's one

11:35span. So, we don't need to pull across

11:36the street. So, we want to keep

11:38everything on one side of the road and

11:40not try try our try our best to not

11:44impede any driveways.

11:47>> Okay. I I see the whole driveway thing,

11:49but if I lived at sixplane and I had

11:51three telephone poles in front of my

11:53house the way that you're planning to do

11:54to these poor people, I think it looks

11:56like absolute trash.

11:59I It It's a very short area of from poll

12:04number 223 that's on the corner of Lyn

12:07and Blaine to the um is it the

12:12there's too many numbers here. P5145.

12:16That's the one that's right after six

12:19planes driveway, I think. Is there any

12:23other place that you can possibly put

12:25that that doesn't like it's these people

12:29are going to look out their front door

12:30and look at telephone poles?

12:32>> So

12:33>> to the left and to the right.

12:38>> The the only thing that really can be

12:39done about this this pole location would

12:42be to shift it one way or the other. We

12:44can shift it approximately 30 ft. We can

12:47we can't be

12:47>> closer to the telephone pole on the

12:49corner.

12:50>> We can shift 20 ft towards the corner,

12:5230 ft south.

12:54>> Okay.

12:55>> But the reason why this location was

12:57chosen at 50 ft is because we we felt

12:59when we were in the field that it was

13:02probably the the best between property

13:05lines and without impacting walkways,

13:08driveways, that sort of thing.

13:10>> Okay, I'm going to go to the next one,

13:12but I'm pretty sure the people in the

13:14back was the gentleman out the door when

13:16I was over taking pictures today. So, I

13:19want to ask him his thoughts because he

13:22I'm pretty sure Are you guys at sixlane?

13:24Yeah. Okay. Um [laughter]

13:27I I just I would be uncomfortable with

13:30having that in front of my house. So,

13:32maybe we can come to some sort of, you

13:34know, a little to the left, like closer

13:37to the corner, so they're not looking.

13:40We'll figure that out. Um 24 blaine I I

13:44have no problem with um the the white

13:47markings on the sidewalks where you mark

13:49the X. That's where the telephone pole's

13:51going. Correct.

13:52>> As of now,

13:53>> it says NG and then there's a circle

13:55with an X through the middle. So that is

13:58actually on it's more it's on Hancock

14:01Street, right? That's where it's going.

14:04I have no issue with that. That one's

14:06fine.

14:08148 Belleville Street,

14:11uh on the corner of Belleville Street,

14:12which is actually on Lynn Street. That's

14:14closest to Sergeant Street. I have no

14:17problem with that location. Um the 1080

14:22Eastern A. It also shows 114 Eastnav.

14:27So, but I could not see a little NG or a

14:30circle and an X at 11:14.

14:34>> Is that number? Um, hold on. Midspan

14:392901

14:41in 1980.

14:47I only saw a national an NG and the

14:50circle and the X on the sidewalk kind

14:53of.

14:55It was closer to a bus stop opposite

14:57side of CVS.

15:01>> Yes.

15:02>> You know what I'm talking about. Is Is

15:04there only one pole going over there?

15:06Why do we mention 11:14 East and A?

15:10>> So, there's going to be two polls um

15:13across the street from CVS

15:16and

15:18>> so 114 Eastern A is actually my father's

15:21business. So, if I'm in his parking lot

15:24and I'm looking across the street,

15:25there's nothing on the sidewalk that

15:28says you're adding a telephone pole.

15:30Unless I missed it. There's only one

15:32down um a little bit further. I didn't

15:36don't think I took a picture of that

15:37one. Um because it's it that one that

15:41location's fine, but I just want to know

15:43if you're putting two more over there.

15:46Correct.

15:46>> It's not just one.

15:47>> There should be two marking markings. If

15:49they're not, then we can go out and

15:50restate those.

15:51>> Okay. Okay. All right. I don't have an

15:55issue with that. Um, I just wanted to be

15:57clear because I I thought it was two

16:00poles, but it doesn't look like there's

16:01markings for two poles over there. So,

16:03just double check that. Okay. And then

16:06um the last paper after talking to

16:09council of Winslow about the under um

16:12ground conduit, we are getting ready to

16:15redesign Broadway and we would prefer

16:18our city engineer to take a look at

16:21these plans of what you're going to do

16:22at that location before we actually

16:25approve it to make sure that it doesn't

16:28disrupt anything we're doing with the

16:29new Broadway redesign.

16:31>> Mhm.

16:31>> If that's okay.

16:32>> Of course.

16:33>> Okay. All right. So the last one you

16:35wanted

16:36>> the last one we'll look in a table. So I

16:38would like to um do probably do these

16:41separately if we could.

16:43>> Okay. So we do need to I'm going to go

16:44to councelor Winsow because I see his

16:45light on but I we need to do the

16:47hearing.

16:47>> Yep. That's fine.

16:48>> That's I made a note of that.

16:49>> Yep. Thank you.

16:50>> Thank you. I'll go to councelor Winszo

16:52next.

16:52>> Yeah. No. Um I I just on that last um

16:56the conduit thing I I did reach out to

16:58our city engineer. I mean, we are

17:00actually near a 25% design for Broadway

17:04and they they're in the process of

17:06setting up meetings with utilities and

17:09obviously with Broadway and Eastern

17:11being the corner of you know Route 99,

17:13Route 60, it's a critical intersection.

17:16So obviously coordinating on that is is

17:19very important. So, so um so the city

17:22engineer is now aware of it and there'll

17:24be some effort to um you know meet with

17:27national grid on just everything related

17:29to Broadway but that's you know this

17:30kind of just it being particularly

17:32underground work and that type of thing.

17:34This is uh and this is a like I don't

17:36know what the plans will be related to

17:38maybe upgrading the uh you know signal

17:41arms and all that. So it's you know it's

17:43it's a major you know this is going to

17:44be probably a $20 million project or

17:46something like that or more. Um, so it's

17:49um, so it's it's a big thing. So, um,

17:51and we've done a lot of underground

17:53engineering already and stuff like that.

17:54So, it's it's important that this be

17:56coordinated. So, right. Thanks. Great.

17:58No problem.

18:00>> Okay. And I do see councelor Ali's hand

18:01is up. Councelor Ali, you can unmute and

18:03speak to this before we open the

18:05hearing.

18:08>> Yeah. I would just ask if National Grid

18:10could um like in the future, I mean

18:13obviously you need to talk to the word

18:14counselor, but like when you when you

18:17come before us, it would be helpful for

18:19those of us who are interested if you

18:21could explain like at a high level what

18:23each of the projects is doing and and

18:25why you're doing it. Um just just

18:28presenting it and not providing the

18:30context I think makes it more difficult

18:32for us to do our job. Um and it and it

18:34requires many of us to have to ask um a

18:38number of detailed questions um like

18:41even just like the direction of the

18:42electricity and and stuff like that. So

18:46I mean do you want to provide a little

18:47bit more context in terms of why each of

18:50the things are being proposed just so we

18:53better understand what's going on?

18:56>> Of course. So

18:59high high level scope of the project is

19:01there's a there's a large load on the

19:03current feeder uh electrical feeder

19:05>> and could you just clarify which project

19:06you're talking about when you're doing

19:08this?

19:09>> Yes. So this is the whole

19:11>> this is for the entire

19:13>> these are all interrelated.

19:14>> All of them are okay.

19:15>> So it's one large job going from

19:18Broadway all the way down to river

19:20ending on west I believe it's called

19:22western a

19:24>> Wesley.

19:25>> Yes. Yes. [laughter] Yeah.

19:28>> And so with the with this added new

19:31added load that's been coming coming

19:33onto this feeder, we are changing the

19:36source. So we're removing this we're

19:38removing half of the half the load off

19:40this off this feeder and putting it onto

19:42a new one in coming out of in Melrose.

19:46So half of the feeder is going to be

19:47picked up by Melrose and then half this

19:50half of the feeder now is going to be

19:53fed by the substation in Maplewood.

19:57That with that we have to add an express

19:59line down to the portion near Wesley

20:04Street.

20:05>> And to do that this is what to do that

20:08we have to add some new poles, add some

20:10more support just to be able to support

20:12the new cable going up to to that area.

20:16Does that answer your questions?

20:18>> Yes. Well, it does for me anyway.

20:21>> So, does

20:23>> uh Yes.

20:24>> Okay.

20:24>> I'll defer to councelor Winslow.

20:26>> Yeah. Okay. Let me put your light back

20:27on. Council Winsow.

20:28>> So, so you're starting at the Maywood

20:30substation which is just you know near

20:32the CVS on Broadway and then so that

20:36power is coming there and then are you

20:37going all the way down Eastern Avenue

20:39with a bigger wire or or I'm just trying

20:41to understand that. Yes. Because I don't

20:43So yeah. So that and then it ends up at

20:44Lind Street. Is that

20:46>> Yeah. Yeah. So, we're going we're going

20:47to go down Eastern A and then south onto

20:50believe it's Blaine and then you're

20:52going to take a left on the Hancock and

20:54you're going to follow Hancock all the

20:56way up to I believe it's the

21:01>> beach to Wells Lake

21:08>> down Hancock all the way to pretty much

21:12the intersection where the

21:14>> you probably drove the whole thing

21:16today, right?

21:17>> Okay. [laughter]

21:18All right. So, that just I mean bes

21:19these are like these are where you have

21:22to add some poles and some conduit but

21:24otherwise I mean there's going to be

21:25work going on all that stretch. All

21:27right. Thank you.

21:28>> Yes. Thanks for asking that question.

21:30Councelor Mali. Thanks.

21:31>> Okay.

21:33Councelor Zika.

21:34>> And listen, I get it. Over the last

21:36several years, I think I've I've lost

21:39electricity more than I have the the

21:42last few years. not several, but I've

21:44been in my house for 27 years, and I

21:46think the last couple of years have been

21:49the worst for losing electricity. So, I

21:51I understand the upgrades, and when I

21:53went out and looked, I figured it was a

21:55need to um support the service, but the

21:59only one that I have an issue with is

22:00sixlane. So, can we open the um public

22:04hearing so we can speak to the residents

22:06that actually live in that house?

22:08>> Yes. I have no other lights on, so I

22:09think we don't have any other questions

22:10from the council. At this point, I'll

22:12declare the public hearing open. Anyone

22:14wishing to speak in favor of the

22:16petition, please come forward. State

22:18your name and address for the record.

22:19Anyone wishing to speak in favor?

22:22Okay. Seeing none, I'll declare that

22:24portion of the hearing closed. Anyone

22:27wishing to speak in opposition to the

22:29petition, please come forward. State

22:30your name and address for the record.

22:34>> Well, I don't know if I have to. Is she?

22:36>> Well, come on up. if if [laughter] you

22:38can come up. I I would like to ask you a

22:40couple of questions if you don't mind.

22:44I apologize. I was rushing to my

22:46meeting. I got out of work late and I

22:48saw you in the door, but I didn't have

22:49time.

22:50>> I think it had to do with this when I

22:51see

22:51>> you. You were the first one um that I

22:54stopped at and I still had to make my

22:55way to all the other locations. So, I

22:57apologize. But um what is your first

23:00name?

23:00>> James.

23:01>> James. And you are at Six Blaine.

23:03>> Yeah. Right where you saw me?

23:04>> Yep. Would you be okay if we got them to

23:07push the telephone pole closer to the

23:09corner? Would that make it better if it

23:12had to go anywhere?

23:13>> I mean, up where the other telephone

23:14pole.

23:15>> Yeah. And the one that's at the corner.

23:16>> I know. So, I just look at it as it's

23:20too much of a of a bad thing.

23:24Just gives some some driver another

23:26target to aim for to knock it on top of

23:28my house.

23:29I mean, it'd probably be better if it

23:31was farther away from my house. A little

23:33few feet up to the corner is better than

23:35where it is now, where they where they

23:37intend to put it now, but I'd rather not

23:39go there at all. I got one on each side

23:41of my house as it is. I think that's

23:43enough.

23:44>> Yeah. No, I agree. I I was there today.

23:47Um, if we don't do this, what happens,

23:50gentlemen? Anybody?

23:57It's um

24:04>> there's got to be a way.

24:06>> Find a Verizon house.

24:07>> We can't hear you in the public cannot

24:09hear what you're saying.

24:10>> Hold on. We need you to speak into the

24:12microphone, please, when you're both of

24:13you when you're speaking. Thank you. So

24:16if this does not p if this pole location

24:18does not pass within the 30 foot

24:20[snorts] buffer that we mentioned

24:22earlier then we go back to engineering

24:24and see if there we would have to

24:28there's not really a good option because

24:30we've loo tried to do it without without

24:32adding a new pole and just because we

24:35have to deal with we have to when we do

24:38the design it has to be designed to the

24:40worst case scenario. So that's if

24:42there's 60 mph winds with 4 in of ice

24:46covered on the wire. We can't design

24:48anything less because if we do then what

24:50happens when a bad storm comes and the

24:52pole comes down? That would be on us.

24:53>> It' be on me.

24:56It stays where it is now. Probably be in

24:58my living room.

25:00>> Um Okay. So, how do you have

25:04authorization to even move that poll

25:07closer to the corner or do we have to

25:09table this paper

25:11>> in order to figure that out? Maybe we

25:13can meet out there one day and check it

25:16out. I

25:17>> that that would be a possibility. The we

25:20we are not allowed to set up a pole due

25:22to the electrical standards 30 ft from

25:25another pole. So, we would be able to

25:26shift it closer to the corner.

25:29Do you know how far away it is from the

25:31current telephone pole?

25:32>> It's currently 50 feet.

25:33>> 50 feet. Yes.

25:34>> So, you'd think you can move it over

25:36another 20 feet? That's what you had

25:38thinking?

25:38>> Yes, we could shift it towards the

25:41corner 20 ft from the proposed location,

25:44>> James. If we had no alternative, would

25:46you be okay with it going 20 ft closer

25:48to the corner instead of close 20 feet

25:51closer to the house?

25:52>> No alternative. Sure. I guess.

25:54>> Okay.

25:55>> I guess I will make a big

25:56>> Okay. Thank you for coming.

25:58>> Okay, I do see councelor Winsow's light

26:00on and council

26:02>> Oh, James, what's your last name, honey?

26:03>> Fitzgerald.

26:04>> Fitzgerald. Thank you so much.

26:06>> I'm gonna go to Councelor Crow because I

26:07haven't seen Councelor Crow's light on

26:09yet. Did you have a question for the

26:10public hearing?

26:11>> I just had I did have a question. Is

26:12there any opportunity to to do anything

26:15underground? So, you're not adding a

26:17poll. I mean that might be a little more

26:19cumbersome but a lot of

26:21>> there's been other you know

26:23opportunities that we we haven't done

26:24the polls above but send it underground.

26:29>> Um not not really.

26:31>> Can you come closer to the microphone?

26:33Sorry. There's not really much

26:34opportunity in this location just

26:35because if we wanted to go underground,

26:38it would most likely having to add a

26:42still you still have to add a pole

26:43similar to how we're doing in at the

26:45beginning at Eastern A in Broadway. We

26:47were adding those two poles so we so we

26:49are able to rise up

26:51>> come on from underground go overhead.

26:53we'd have to have a the same the same

26:56sort of situation going on where you had

26:57to go underground on a pole and then

26:59come back up to go overhead and that

27:02with those poles it takes takes away our

27:04clearances and we have to keep proper

27:06clearances that's why we're adding more

27:08poles for that equipment.

27:10>> All right, thank you.

27:12>> Okay, councelor Winsow, did you have

27:14another question? I I guess the other

27:16question is is there just something

27:17other than a a wooden power pole? And I

27:20mean I know I work on a project in

27:22Somerville with National Grid

27:25might have been maybe another utility

27:27but um in Union Square where they needed

27:30a stabilizer and we had them instead of

27:33we had they ended up putting a solid

27:35metal pole instead of a a wooden pole

27:38and just you know that's a different way

27:40to do it. So I just don't know if

27:42there's enough space here, you know, or

27:45what the what how that is an alternative

27:47or whatever. So yeah,

27:50>> it so

27:52other than wooden poles, it is a

27:54possibility. It would be have to

27:55something that would have to go back in

27:57through engineering and with that

28:00I would have to point that towards

28:03national grid spec specifically

28:05depending on what they want to do

28:06because it's not usually a standard way

28:08they

28:09>> want to they try to build

28:10>> so

28:14>> it's still a poll

28:16>> in my eyes it's still a poll regardless

28:18but

28:20>> gentlemen

28:23>> quick question.

28:24>> Um, do we have to table this paper to

28:27get you to push it over 20 ft?

28:30>> No, we can push it without No, we can

28:32push it.

28:32>> You'll be able to do that. So, we're

28:33going to change that wording on this

28:35paper to

28:38>> 20 ft from pole number 2023.

28:41>> It would have to be it would be

28:42>> I mean 30 ft from pole 2023. Correct.

28:45>> So, it'll be moved over 20 feet from the

28:47location you have spray painted right

28:49now.

28:50>> Correct.

28:50>> All right, James. I think that's the

28:52best we're going to be able to do. Are

28:54you okay with that? I'm sorry.

28:56>> Yes.

28:57>> Okay.

28:57>> I tried to get it away from your front

28:58door as much as possible.

29:01>> I apologize. Um,

29:03>> which

29:05I need a motion. So,

29:07>> as you're facing right now, it says 50

29:09ft south. You're talking about 30 ft.

29:10>> Oh, right. We need cardinal directions,

29:12not right and left.

29:13>> Oh, come on. I don't have that in me

29:15tonight.

29:16>> Zay, what are we doing? What are we

29:18changing this paper to?

29:19>> It's going north. We're going

29:21>> 30 feet north from

29:23>> 20 20 ft north

29:24>> 20 now

29:25>> 20 feet north

29:27>> to the minimum 30

29:29>> 50 ft south of pole. Yep. So 20 ft north

29:32to pole

29:34>> 2023

29:35cuz it says 50 ft south of pole 2023. So

29:39it's 20 ft north.

29:45>> So it'll be 30t. So, it's going to be

29:47it's going to be 30 ft south of pole

29:502023. Sorry, it's been a long day.

29:53>> Just Okay, got it.

29:54>> 30 ft south, not 20 ft. We're

29:56subtracting.

29:57>> No, 30 ft south of pole 2023. That's

30:00what we're going to change it to.

30:03>> Okay.

30:05>> And maybe you can decorate it with

30:06Christmas lights or something. No, I'm

30:08just kidding. [laughter]

30:11>> No, I feel terrible.

30:13Um, okay. Okay, we still have the

30:16hearing open. So, I'm just going to give

30:18one last call. Anybody wishing to speak

30:20in

30:20>> any other petitions

30:22>> on right on any of the petitions we have

30:24the hearings

30:25>> other locations. Sorry. Hearing is open

30:27for all locations.

30:30>> One last call. Seeing none and hearing

30:32none, I will council has a light on.

30:34>> Oh, I'm sorry. Councelor Ali, you can

30:36unmute.

30:38>> James, you're all set. You can go sit

30:40down. Thank you. Thank you, James. You

30:42you can you can close the hearing and I

30:44can speak after.

30:45>> Okay, understood. I will declare that

30:47hearing closed then.

30:50>> Okay, councelor Ali, you have the floor.

30:56>> Um,

30:58so just so I understand, it's coming

31:00from the substation by Broadway down

31:03Eastern A doing the squiggly stuff

31:07through the neighborhood and going to

31:08Wesley Street.

31:11Yes.

31:14>> Um, and where you're not adding new

31:16polls, is that new line just going on

31:19the existing polls?

31:21>> Yes.

31:22>> Yes.

31:23>> Yes.

31:25>> Okay. Um, yeah. And I mean, I guess the

31:27other thing we need to think about, and

31:28maybe this is not the petition because

31:29there's already a ton of poles, but if

31:32this was to be going into a new

31:33neighborhood that doesn't have polls or

31:35something like that, um we might want to

31:37consider like having this stuff

31:39completely underground to Councelor

31:41Crow's um point. Um so, thank you again

31:45for for providing more clarification.

31:51>> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Ali.

31:54So, we

31:58are looking for a motion to grant all

32:00Are we tableabling the last one?

32:03>> We're going to remove the last one.

32:04>> Remove the last one.

32:07>> I think how do you want to do it?

32:09>> Split already if I'm not mistaken.

32:10Right.

32:11>> What?

32:11>> On our end, they're split already. We

32:13have five different petitions, right?

32:16>> Well, you your company submitted this as

32:18one petition with five different

32:20projects built into the same petition.

32:23>> Okay. So I guess my question would be

32:24can you take care of the first four if

32:27that last

32:30>> can you do the rest of the whole project

32:31if one piece of it is taken away?

32:33>> Yes.

32:34>> Well we can either table that one part

32:37of this petition or you can ask them to

32:38come back with a new petition after

32:41speaking to the city engineer.

32:43>> So you'd be approving it pending

32:45engineer review for the last item.

32:49>> That would be the third option.

32:51>> We could do that. You wouldn't have to

32:52split it off and table it that way

32:56>> if you're already putting the additional

32:58>> as long as yum looks at it and it

32:59doesn't have any issue. I'm fine with

33:01that. Are you fine with that?

33:04>> Yeah. Go ahead.

33:05>> There's a pretty substantial amount of

33:06work that needs to be done around

33:08Eastern Broadway. So, and it's not going

33:10to just be the city engineer. It's going

33:11to be our, you know, I think BSC group.

33:14So, it's it's a pretty significant

33:15thing. So, I think just it isn't just

33:18>> easy to table that.

33:19>> It isn't so easy to table that. So yeah,

33:21I I think it's it needs to, you know, be

33:24thoroughly reviewed by, you know, that

33:27project team. So

33:29>> yeah, I would just suggest splitting

33:31that off and then having split it off

33:33and have them.

33:34>> I mean, it may go quickly. It might be

33:36we they might be back here in a month,

33:37but um but I I just think it it could be

33:40you knowing that corner is complicated.

33:42I mean, there's another complication

33:44that um they may not be aware of that

33:46there there may be I don't know if

33:47you've done the underground work there,

33:49but um there may be a

33:53storm water conduit through there. I

33:54know there's a lot of flooding at the

33:56corner of Eastern Broadway that's never

33:57been addressed. It may not be on any

33:59public records. So, um so it's it's a

34:02complicated spot that that that you know

34:04may be a [snorts] lot of re-engineering

34:06that's going to be have to taken into

34:08account. So, um, so it's that's I don't

34:11think it's it isn't just a tweak or

34:13something like that. It's it's a

34:14complicated spot. So,

34:15>> so do you want us to table it or do you

34:17want us to split it and have them

34:18resubmit that petition? So,

34:20>> I'm I'm fine with just splitting it and

34:22tableabling the split paper. That's and

34:24then they can come back and say it may

34:25be just one meeting and and the

34:28engineers will be fine. That's

34:30>> so I I do see councelor Ali has his hand

34:32up again. I want to make sure to let him

34:34speak to the the discussion.

34:38Yeah, this is just to point out the

34:40reason why splitting like this has been

34:42proposed as one paper. Um, and I'm sure

34:45National Grid would like us to do this

34:46all at once. Um, but it's a a great

34:49reason of why we have rule 3201

34:53which is allowing any counselor to split

34:55a paper where there are separate

34:57propositions as as in here. Um, so I

35:00just want to point that out. This is an

35:02example doesn't require any vote. Um,

35:04thank you. Thank you, Councelor Ali.

35:08>> So, I I do think that's what we were

35:10looking for a motion around. [laughter]

35:11>> Yes. Make a motion to split the paper.

35:15>> Okay.

35:16>> So, motion by councelor see to split the

35:18paper.

35:19>> Yes. I

35:20>> And that's for Broadway and Eastern A.

35:22Just the final component of this

35:24>> of the conduit bank. Yeah.

35:25>> Yep. Okay.

35:33Do we need to do a roll call to split if

35:35someone's remote or can we just split

35:37it? We can still Yeah, you don't need a

35:40vote, right? Sorry.

35:42>> I don't think we need to vote to split

35:43the paper.

35:43>> Yeah, but I want to give them specific

35:45instructions that they should come back

35:46to us with a brand new petition. Repost

35:49this and everything. Like I don't want I

35:52don't want the floor to be hung up by

35:53one.

35:54>> Okay, understood. So I don't think we

35:55need but we do need a roll call vote to

35:58grant with the conditions in mind.

36:01>> Okay. So we were just discussing under

36:03our council rules anybody can split the

36:05paper as councelor Ali was just starting

36:07to say. Um but we just want to be super

36:09clear that we would we will give you

36:11instructions to come back with a new

36:13petition. Even though we don't we aren't

36:15going to take a vote on the split off

36:17paper because our rules allow us to just

36:19split it off procedurally. We would like

36:22you to come back with a fresh petition

36:24per what councelor Winslow was saying

36:26about how complex the project is

36:28>> and so we are going to take a vote on

36:30the rest of them now with the conditions

36:31that we've been discussing.

36:33>> So for the underground work are you just

36:36looking for us to speak to the city

36:37engineer and confirm with him that

36:40there's no issues or is there anything

36:42else?

36:43>> Hang on. Well, according to the city

36:45engineer, as of today, he has not seen

36:48anything surrounding this work and he

36:50would like to look into it before we

36:52vote on it.

36:53>> Okay. Is it

36:54>> to make sure that it doesn't disrupt the

36:57Broadway corridor redesign?

36:58>> So, is it not a possibility to just put

37:01a condition uh on the whole thing that

37:04the city engineer would review the

37:06underground work before we start

37:08>> before it's approved?

37:10>> So, what we decided Yeah. Councelor

37:12Winsel, I'll put your light back on. One

37:14second.

37:15>> The challenge is we have a whole

37:16engineering team already designing that

37:19area and so we're asking National Grid

37:22to review what we're doing already. So

37:24it's not just it's more complicated

37:26there. It may you may actually have to

37:29find another way to do it. So I just not

37:31familiar enough with what our design

37:33team but basically you know we spent the

37:35last four years planning doing

37:38underground work. So we have a pretty

37:40advanced design that that is literally

37:43going through the final review before

37:44public meetings. So you guys need to be

37:47part of that review and and and and take

37:49it in a serious way and it might

37:51fundamentally affect what you got

37:53applied. So that's that's just how it is

37:55that you know the let's we say it might

37:59go through smoothly but I just don't

38:00want to give an impression that it's

38:02YM's going to approve this next week

38:03that there's a there may be it may be

38:06more complicated. So I just don't want

38:08to give that impression.

38:09>> So thank you.

38:11>> Okay. So I make a motion that we approve

38:14what the four other locations

38:17>> with the amendment regarding the 30 ft

38:20>> with the amendment regarding the first

38:22one. Six plane 30 ft south of pole 2023

38:29with all our normal conditions.

38:30>> Okay. Do I have a second to that?

38:32>> Okay. on a on councelor Seika's motion

38:35to grant seconded by councelor Curo with

38:37the following conditions. Um

38:40that one that the engineer be called

38:42when digsafe is notified. Two that the

38:44streets and sidewalks be restored to the

38:45satisfaction of the director of public

38:48works. And the third condition that

38:50councelor Seika just stated regarding

38:54the first Blaine Street petition with

38:57poll P5145

39:00which we will

39:00>> 2023

39:01>> 2023 that we will get the wording make

39:04sure the clerk has the wording correct.

39:06Uh we will call the role.

39:09>> Council Clone Hayes.

39:10>> Yes.

39:11>> Council Condan.

39:12>> Yes.

39:13>> Council Crowe. Yes.

39:14>> Council Lewong. Yes.

39:15>> Council McDonald. Yes. Council Ali,

39:19>> yes.

39:19>> Council Sega, yes. Council Seminelli,

39:22Council Taylor,

39:23>> Council Winslow, Council President

39:25Lahan,

39:26>> yes.

39:27>> Okay, so those petitions have been

39:30granted.

39:31>> Thank you for coming. We'll follow up on

39:33the other. Yeah, of course. One second.

39:36>> Do you know when this work is going to

39:37start?

39:40>> No.

39:40>> Well, now they probably really don't.

39:42>> Not anytime soon.

39:43>> Okay.

39:44>> Yeah.

39:44>> All right. Thank you. Not before the

39:46winter. Probably next spring maybe.

39:50>> I

39:50>> you don't know.

39:51>> We have a bunch of approvals before this

39:53proceeds forward.

39:54>> Okay. All right. Thank you.

39:56>> Okay.

39:56>> Thank

39:57>> Thank you. Next order of business. Paper

40:00445-26

40:02be ordained by the Malden City Council

40:04that the code of the city of Malden

40:0612.16.010

40:0801 table of intensity of reg regulations

40:12business uses motel hotel max height to

40:14read six stories not to exceed 75 ft.

40:18>> This is sponsored by councel Winsow.

40:20>> Councelor Winsow for the paper.

40:22>> Yeah. I mean this uh idea came up you

40:25know we've just been reviewing our use

40:27tables and one of the things we have

40:29before the rules and ordinance committee

40:31is looking at um bas you know looking at

40:34changing how we handle permitting of

40:36hotels and one of the things I just did

40:41some research that showed you in our

40:44area most of the hotels that have been

40:46built over the past 25 years have been

40:48six stories and we we limit that to four

40:51stories. generally. So, um, so my

40:54proposal here is to to to put this paper

40:57in and and and actually just refer it to

41:00committee so we can have some further

41:01discussion and staff input. It's it's

41:03not ready to get sent to um to a joint

41:06meeting, but then we would be discussing

41:08this alongside the changes in per, you

41:12know, changing the proposal um we're

41:14talking about is going from site plan

41:16review from hotel from special

41:18permitting for from hotels to site plan

41:20review. So it would be good to discuss

41:22these things in tandem because if we

41:25make the change from a special permit to

41:26site plan review and still make it very

41:28difficult to have hotels doesn't really

41:30accomplish what we want. So I think it's

41:32a good time to have this discussion and

41:34get some staff input. But you know I

41:36just think it's it's practical. This is

41:38you know taller hotels are what the

41:41hotel market is building. We they don't

41:43build motel anymore. So um so it's just

41:46um just a something to have discussion

41:49and you know any counselor who uh you

41:52know is a time to have input and stuff

41:53like that. So so but I'm just making it

41:56you know making this proposal so we can

41:58talk about it you know in a couple weeks

42:00in rules and ordinance and get any staff

42:01input and then you know package up

42:04whatever we'd have when we're talking

42:06about site plan review for um hotels and

42:08supermarkets and stuff like that. So,

42:10just a proposal to think about before we

42:13um do more discussion. Thank you. Great.

42:15>> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Wzo.

42:17Councelor McDonald,

42:18>> I just wanted to be added as a

42:20co-sponsor to the paper if I can. I'm

42:22glad to see more positive ideas about

42:26how to support our economic development

42:28and would be happy to make a motion to

42:31refer to committee. That's welcome.

42:32>> Okay, we'll take that up. I do see

42:34councelor Ali has their hand raised.

42:36Councelor Ali, you have the floor.

42:39Um, I was also going to be asked, have

42:41you made a sponsor? And I will second

42:43councelor McDonald's motion.

42:46>> Okay. Seeing no further lights on for

42:48discussion on a motion made by councelor

42:50McDonald, seconded by councelor Maui, we

42:52will call the role

42:53>> to refer to ordinance.

42:55>> To refer to ordinance.

42:55>> Council clone.

42:57>> Yes. I was going to say,

43:00>> of course.

43:02>> Thank you.

43:03>> Okay. So for the vote, council clone

43:05hazes. Yes.

43:06>> Council Condan. Yes.

43:07>> Council Crow. Council Laang.

43:10>> Council McDonald. Council Ali.

43:13>> Yes.

43:13>> Council Sega. Council Simmonelli.

43:15Council Taylor. Council Winslow. Council

43:18President Lahan. Yes.

43:19>> That paper has been referred to rules

43:21and ordinance committee.

43:22>> Okay. That is referred to ordinance.

43:23Next order of business.

43:24>> Paper 446-26.

43:26Be it ordained by the Malden city

43:28council that the code of the city of

43:29Malden title 2 administration is hereby

43:32amended by striking subsection 2.12.165.

43:36C. supervision of animal control officer

43:38and adding 2.12.105D

43:42supervision of animal control officer

43:44and I believe everybody has a handout in

43:46front of them that speaks to this

43:48ordinance.

43:49>> Okay. Councelor Winslow for the paper.

43:51>> Yeah. um you know uh Maria Louise and

43:53the mayor's office uh called me um this

43:56past week um and just talking about as

43:59you know things are changing in various

44:01departments and you know we have do have

44:03no animal control officer that has

44:06different uh strength and skills as the

44:08past officer and the thought was that um

44:12it it would make sense to really shift

44:14that position to be under the health

44:16department and there's many things and

44:18there's a the memo here from the mayor

44:19that explains it there's many things

44:21that um the animal control officer does

44:24like related to um rabies, uh vaccines

44:28and and and and just health inspections

44:30related to animals like if if someone

44:32has um you know too many animals and

44:34they're they're you know they're causing

44:36a health issue. So the thought is that

44:39um you know it would make sense to

44:41actually transfer the position which is

44:43right now under the police department to

44:45the health department and um this is

44:48just simply the right now in our

44:50ordinances it's the animal control

44:53officer is under the supervision of the

44:55police department. This would just shift

44:58it to the health department. So if you

44:59look at the really big language here uh

45:01thank you clerk Kagno. Um this is what

45:06we would be ordaining. It's basically

45:09striking out the section of the code

45:12where the supervision of the animal

45:14control officer is under the police

45:16which is um that is section I guess

45:19that's 1212165C

45:22and then basically transferring those

45:24responsibilities to the health

45:25department which which would be 1212105D

45:29and explain um you know that the in the

45:32future the animal control officer will

45:34be under the department of health and

45:36human services. So um and and explain

45:39those uh things and you can see there's

45:41this expansion of educ public aid public

45:44education urban wildlife and animal

45:47wellness all there. So my thought is

45:50this is pretty straightforward and you

45:53know I don't think it really needs to be

45:54referred to committee. I mean that's why

45:56I asked that this this language be put

45:59out there. But I I think it's something

46:01we could just vote to enroll if you

46:03know. But if any counselor uh wants to

46:06uh you know have it referred to

46:09committee, I'm happy to have that. But

46:10my suggestion is just we

46:12>> enroll it. It people can look at this in

46:14a couple weeks when we come back. You

46:16know, if we can we can hold it if we

46:18need to. But my suggestion is it's

46:20pretty straightforward. We should just

46:21enroll it. So that's uh the purpose of

46:23the paper. Thank

46:26>> you, Councelor Wow. Councelor McDonald.

46:30also would love to be added as a

46:32co-sponsor to this. Thank you for this.

46:34I think this makes a lot of sense and

46:35I'm really excited about our new animal

46:36control officer. Um, yeah, I'd be happy

46:40to support a motion to enroll. I think

46:41rules and ordinance has its hands full

46:43at the moment and I agree this is

46:45straightforward and uh benefits from

46:49being,

46:50you know, put in place as quickly as

46:52possible.

46:53>> Is it Do we have any concerns?

46:55>> No, we don't have any concerns. I there

46:57was a

46:58>> I

46:59>> be happy to make that motion.

47:00>> Right. So I would second council.

47:03>> Okay.

47:04>> I don't see any other lights looking to

47:05speak. So on a motion by councelor

47:07McDonald, second by councelor Winsow to

47:10enroll. We will call the role. Council

47:13Cologne Hayes,

47:13>> yes.

47:14>> Council Condan, yes.

47:15>> Council Crowe, yes.

47:17>> Council Lewong,

47:18>> yes.

47:18>> Council McDonald,

47:20>> yes.

47:20>> Council Ali,

47:22>> present.

47:24Council

47:27Sega,

47:27>> yes.

47:28>> Council Simmonelli,

47:29>> Council Taylor, yes.

47:30>> Council Winslow, yes.

47:32>> Council President Lahan,

47:33>> yes.

47:33>> Okay, so that paper has been enrolled.

47:36Okay, next order of business.

47:40>> Do you want to ordain?

47:42>> Oh, sorry. Yeah. What am I thinking?

47:44>> I I think my suggestion is just we wait

47:46two weeks. I mean, it's it's not an

47:47emergency.

47:48>> Okay.

47:49>> So, let's It's not I think we should

47:52save that process when there's Sure, no

47:55problem.

47:56>> At least it's committee. So, let's

47:58>> Yeah, that's true. No, no need to send

48:00it to committee.

48:03>> Okay.

48:05Paper 448-26

48:08ordered that the FY2027 general fund

48:12appropriation order schedule B for the

48:14fiscal year July 1st 2026 through June

48:1730th 2027 be and hereby is amended by

48:21reducing the appropriation for the

48:23Department of Public Works by $800,000

48:26from 9,525,480

48:31to $8,725,480.

48:35said reduction shall eliminate the

48:37$800,000 appropriated within the

48:40Department of Public Works FY2027 budget

48:44for the FY2026

48:46snow and ice deficit, which will instead

48:48be raised on the FY2027

48:51tax recupulation report. All other

48:53provisions of the FY2027 appropriation

48:56order shall remain unchanged.

48:59>> Councelor McDonald.

49:02So, I'd like to request that we refer

49:04this to the finance committee. Um, and

49:07we will take this up promptly. I So, the

49:11this is not this is related to the

49:13reason that we've had to postpone the

49:15tax hearing [snorts] today and it's

49:18because snow plowing unlike I think any

49:20other municipal expense is treated

49:22distinctly under the law. It can it is

49:25paid in the next year and it and it's

49:27treated as a special special kind of um

49:30expense. So given I think the the

49:32tightness of our budget and uh and given

49:36how much snow had to get plowed last

49:38year um our CFO has uh put this forward

49:42to make sure that we're we've got we've

49:44got all our eyes dotted and our tees

49:46crossed um and that this uh the

49:48significant appropriation is in is in

49:50the right place in the budget. So we're

49:51going to hear more about that.

49:53>> Stay tuned for the finance committee

49:55next and uh well the 10th sorry because

49:58we're not meeting next week. So, I'm

49:59sure we'll we'll cue this up for the

50:0010th um and we'll provide some more

50:02information in advance about how all

50:04this works uh and get this sorted out so

50:06that we can proceed with our annual

50:09certification of the tax rates.

50:12I move we refer this to the finance

50:13committee.

50:14>> Okay. On a motion by councelor McDonald,

50:17seconded by councelor Leuong to refer

50:19this to finance. We'll take the role.

50:23>> Council Clone Hayes, yes.

50:25>> Council Condan, yes.

50:26>> Council Crowe, yes. Council Lewong, yes.

50:28>> Council McDonald, yes.

50:30>> Council Ali,

50:32>> yes.

50:32>> Council Sega,

50:34>> yes.

50:34>> Council Simmonelli, Council Taylor,

50:37>> Council Winslow, yes.

50:38>> Council President Lahan,

50:39>> yes.

50:40>> Okay, that paper has been sent to

50:42finance.

50:43>> Okay, next order of business.

50:46>> The next two papers are enrolled

50:48ordinances that need to be ordained.

50:50Paper 327-26 be ordained by the Malden

50:53City Council that the code of the city

50:55of Malden 12.12.03 030 use regulations

50:58is hereby amended as follows as written

51:02in the body of the paper.

51:05>> Okay. Councelor Winslow.

51:07>> Yeah. I just you know as we ordain this

51:09I I know uh just make clear. So there

51:12were I believe about 15 changes to our

51:15use table. So this would be uh making it

51:19uh for hospitals expanding where we

51:22could have those those could happen in

51:24industrial zones. You know business

51:26schools would be allowed more broadly.

51:29Um medical centers um would be um

51:33allowed um by right in um in a lot of

51:37new places like uh business highway

51:41business commercial industrial zones. Um

51:44we would have um restaurants um that are

51:48not fast food places um allowed by right

51:51in business highway industrial zones.

51:55Body art would be allowed in uh business

51:58and industrial zones. Convenience stores

52:00would be allowed by right in business

52:03and industrial zones. Um licensed

52:06massage therapist would be allowed more

52:08broadly from u

52:10business network and other residential

52:13um zone arro

52:16that's overlay adult daycare would be

52:20allowed by right and business highway

52:22industrial zones uh kennels would be um

52:26allowed um in business commercial

52:29business highway and industrial zones

52:31research and development would be

52:33allowed by right now business commercial

52:35and business highway and towing would be

52:38allowed um by right in industrial zone.

52:40So it's just that's that's what this is

52:42doing. Um remember we had split the

52:44paper we um in two um the rest of the

52:47paper is still in committee but those

52:49are the updates that we would be

52:50ordaining tonight just to be clear. So

52:53just making it easier to you know

52:56proceed with building those type of

52:57businesses in those zones. Thank you.

52:59Great.

52:59>> Okay. Thank you councelor Winsel. I have

53:01a light from councelor Simonelli. Thank

53:03you, Madam President. I I just want to

53:05say I think this is, you know, I'm all

53:07for this. I think it's a great paper and

53:09uh you know, it's something that I was

53:10looking into in my neighborhood uh to

53:12allow uh growth uh economic growth in in

53:16my neighborhood, but then you get into

53:18kind of like spot zoning because Route

53:1960 kind of goes through the whole city

53:21of Malden and just doing my neighborhood

53:24uh would be kind of um a gray area, I

53:28think. Uh so I do like this paper. I

53:31think it's a a great way of us moving

53:33forward uh and and doing some economic

53:35growth here in the city entirely uh to

53:39allow these type of businesses uh to be

53:41buy right and to be allowed in these uh

53:43districts. So, you know, I just want to

53:46say that I think it's a great paper and

53:47I'm all for it. Thank you, Madam

53:49President.

53:50>> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Simino.

53:52>> Make a motion to ordain. Thank you for

53:54staff for all their work on putting this

53:55together as well. Thank you. Great.

53:57>> Second.

53:57>> Okay. On a motion by councelor Winslow

53:59to ordain. Seconded by councelor Cologne

54:01Hayes. We will call the role.

54:03>> Council Cologne Hayes. Yes.

54:04>> Council Condan.

54:05>> Council Crow. Yes.

54:06>> Council Lewong.

54:07>> Yes.

54:07>> Council McDonald.

54:08>> Yes.

54:09>> Council Mali.

54:11>> Yes.

54:12>> Council Sega.

54:13>> Yes.

54:13>> Council Simonelli. Yes.

54:14>> Council Taylor.

54:15>> Yes.

54:16>> Council Winslow.

54:17>> Yes.

54:17>> Council President [clears throat] Lahan.

54:18>> Yes.

54:19>> Okay. That paper has been ordained.

54:22>> Okay. That paper's been ordained. Next

54:23order of business. Paper 415-26

54:27be ordained by the Malden City Council

54:29that the code of the city of Malden

54:30title 2 chapter 24 is hereby amended by

54:33adding section 075 assistant department

54:37head salary schedule in inserting the

54:39following positions as is outlined in

54:41the body of the paper.

54:42>> Okay, councelor Winsow for the paper.

54:44>> Yeah, as we discussed and we enrolled

54:46last time, these are just um some

54:48adjustments to salary schedules per our

54:51you know recent procedures. um for our

54:54assistance in many departments. So um so

54:57I I would recommend that we ordain this.

54:59Thank you. Great.

55:00>> Okay. So we have a motion by councelor

55:02Winslow to ordain.

55:04>> Seconded by councelor Seiko will call

55:05the role.

55:08>> Council clone Hayes.

55:09>> Yes.

55:09>> Council Condan. Yes.

55:11>> Council Crow.

55:11>> Yes.

55:12>> Council Wong.

55:13>> Yes.

55:13>> Council McDonald. Yes.

55:14>> Council Ali.

55:16>> Yes.

55:17>> Council Sega.

55:18>> Yes.

55:18>> Council Simmonelli. Council Taylor.

55:21>> Yes.

55:21>> Council Winslow.

55:22>> Yes. Council President Lahan.

55:24>> Yes.

55:24>> That paper has been unanimously

55:26ordained.

55:27>> Okay. Next order of business.

55:29>> Committee reports.

55:31Um paper 434-26.

55:34The standing committee on rules and

55:35ordinance to whom was referred papers

55:37335 and 335A series of 2026. Having

55:40considered the same make the following

55:42report.

55:43>> Okay. On a motion by councelor Winslow,

55:45seconded by councelor Crow to receive

55:47the report. We will call the role.

55:49>> Council Cologne Hayes. Council Condan.

55:52Council Crow.

55:53>> Council Lewang,

55:54>> yes.

55:54>> Council McDonald,

55:55>> yes.

55:56>> Council Ali,

55:58>> yes.

55:58>> Council Sea,

55:59>> yes.

56:00>> Council Simonelli,

56:01>> Council Taylor,

56:02>> yes.

56:02>> Council Winslow,

56:03>> yes.

56:04>> Council President Lennan,

56:05>> yes.

56:13>> Does he want to offer the report of

56:14what's actually coming out?

56:17>> Councelor Winsow.

56:18>> Okay. Yeah. Okay.

56:19>> So, um, as we started Uh several months

56:22ago, uh you know, the city about 5 years

56:26ago passed an inclusionary zoning law

56:28that um intended to make it more

56:32possible and and actually require um

56:36multi-unit housing developments over

56:38eight units to include affordable

56:41housing units. So, um when we adopted

56:44that, we called on um staff to update

56:47that every five years. And this is

56:49really that five-year update. So, we've

56:51had plenty of discussions um in the

56:53rules and ordinance committee and gone

56:55back and forth. And so, um right now

56:57before you there's there's essentially

57:00and and based on some legal advice, the

57:02original paper that was filed which was

57:04basically to strike the whole section

57:06and um and replace that with new

57:08language that would one key principle

57:10was reducing the amount of required

57:13affordable housing from 15 to 10%. Then

57:17um and also having some more incentives

57:20um to build that. What we got was from

57:23legal um we got advice that the

57:26incentive section um under state law um

57:29would be should be voted on separately

57:32because that would only take six votes

57:35uh majority to pass versus um just the

57:38overhaul of our zoning otherwise takes

57:41eight votes. So um we the first thing we

57:44did in committee was really separate the

57:47paper into the separated out the

57:50incentive section out from the um the

57:53rest of the paper. So the incentive

57:55section is um is now 335A26

58:00and the rest of the paper is 33526.

58:03So um so just to talk about um the first

58:06paper. So that is just really um

58:11changing the language that describes how

58:13inclusionary zoning um works, how it's

58:16defined, who will oversee it. Um so that

58:19is is just really revamping that

58:22language. Um so that's just the process

58:24of how we go through determining like

58:25like our community development office

58:27will be highly involved when someone

58:30goes in. And it's particularly there's

58:31sort of two classifications. If someone

58:33proposes a multi-family housing

58:36development of more than eight units um

58:39that is just called inclusionary zoning

58:42um a percentage has to be set aside. So

58:46you know 10% of those units would have

58:49to be affordable and um those

58:52regulations describe what the affordable

58:53units are and the community development

58:56office gets involved in that. Now,

58:57someone comes with a a project that's

58:59100% affordable units, um that also goes

59:03through a process. So, we we've the the

59:05ma major point of these new update of

59:08the the descriptive section is really to

59:13um define better what an inclusionary

59:15project is as well as an affordable

59:17project. So, um the committee um

59:21recommends that that

59:23uh split off section uh be reported out

59:27favorably um with by changing the

59:30definition of inclusionary zoning um in

59:33there in section B. I'm striking out the

59:36definition of what was called the mixed

59:38income project because now the way the

59:40project the proposals incentives work

59:42there's basically uh standards that

59:45apply for any project that's over eight

59:48units um that's really a market rate but

59:51some affordable units and then other

59:53ones that would be 100% affordable. So

59:56um if something is 50% affordable 50%

1:00:00inclusionary that would be considered an

1:00:01inclusionary project. [snorts] So um so

1:00:03that that was what the recommendation

1:00:05was. I know councelor Ali did propose um

1:00:10you know that this the the paper as

1:00:12proposed by community office was that um

1:00:16we would be reducing based on

1:00:17recommendations from um our consultants

1:00:20that a 15% requireable requirement the

1:00:24forwardable units though that's a great

1:00:27desire um because of an of inflation and

1:00:31because of high interest rates right now

1:00:33it's very hard to plan um and and

1:00:36require that um 15%. So the

1:00:39recommendation is we reduce that um

1:00:42requirement to 10%. Um so that's

1:00:45basically based on market data and

1:00:47having sat on the committee when we set

1:00:49that 15 first 15%. I there was a lot of

1:00:53um technical expertise that goes into

1:00:56looking at the market and really

1:00:58establishing what can work. Um so

1:01:01there's a lot of analysis um that that

1:01:03is based on. So, so that was um so um

1:01:07that's what the first thing we would be

1:01:10looking to enroll would be to what we

1:01:12would have to make first have amendments

1:01:15to um change the definition of

1:01:17inclusionary project as proposed um

1:01:20strikeout um in section D mixed income

1:01:23and and then um then we would have to

1:01:25vote favorably. So I don't know

1:01:26Caroline, you're look puzzled. There's a

1:01:28long way to go. [laughter]

1:01:30>> We just want to make sure we have

1:01:31everything.

1:01:31>> We need to

1:01:33recommended it out favorably.

1:01:35>> Yeah. So we we reported out favorably

1:01:36with two amendments to um update the

1:01:40definition of occlusionary project uh

1:01:42per recommendation and to strike um the

1:01:45definition that was for mixed income

1:01:47projects. So

1:01:48>> Okay.

1:01:48>> So that would be that's so great.

1:01:50>> Okay. I see a few lights with counselors

1:01:52who want to speak to the paper. So, I'm

1:01:53going to start going down the line first

1:01:55with councelor Colon.

1:01:57>> Thank you so much. Um, so I just want to

1:01:59thank the team from the OSPCD office um

1:02:02and the chair of ordinance um and

1:02:04everybody else who worked on this. This

1:02:06was quite it's my first year on

1:02:08ordinance. I was um I wanted to be on

1:02:10ordinance. I asked for that and as vice

1:02:12chair this was a lot to take on and I

1:02:15just want to thank you for all your hard

1:02:17work and um but for anyone um watching

1:02:20also to know that a lot of thought was

1:02:22put into this. I had community members

1:02:24reach out to me very very concerned

1:02:26about going you know what seemed to be

1:02:28backwards from 15% to 10%. I myself had

1:02:31a lot of questions about that. Um but I

1:02:34reached out to not only the experts here

1:02:37that we have but experts in the field

1:02:38that I know that are colleagues of mine

1:02:40that I trust and we had long

1:02:42conversations about it. So I did come

1:02:44around and think this is the um the best

1:02:46way to go and also that when I spoke

1:02:49with um the director and Alex Pratt to

1:02:51make sure um that people know we could

1:02:54come back before 5 years. Um you know

1:02:56this is done every 5 years but if we see

1:02:58some kind of change in the market which

1:03:00would be amazing um and more affordable

1:03:03housing was to be developed we could

1:03:04come back to it and um hopefully raise

1:03:07it back up um to the percentage but just

1:03:09wanted to thank everybody and full

1:03:11support and if it needs a second I'll do

1:03:12that. Okay. Thank you, Councelor Cologne

1:03:14Hayes. Councelor McDonald.

1:03:16>> Yeah, I'm very grateful that we are here

1:03:18and ready to vote on this because it it

1:03:20has been a lot of really rigorous

1:03:22process to get us to this point. Um,

1:03:25inclusionary zoning is one of the key

1:03:28tools in the toolbox to get affordable

1:03:29housing built and ours is just failing

1:03:32to do that right now. units are not

1:03:34getting built under our policy because

1:03:36it's fundamentally like a carrot rather

1:03:38than stick kind of policy. And it says,

1:03:40you know, we're going to require that

1:03:42you do certain things, but we're going

1:03:45to give you these we're going to give

1:03:46you some some bonuses to make it to make

1:03:48it work because the way that you that

1:03:51the developer pays for the affordable

1:03:53units is the margin they make on the

1:03:55market rate units. And so much has

1:03:58changed since we, as Councelor Welo said

1:04:01in the committee report, since this was

1:04:03initially passed. I wasn't on the

1:04:04council. I in fact remember giving a

1:04:06public comment um in support of this uh

1:04:10and wishing we had a higher percentage.

1:04:13But the reality is is that you we cannot

1:04:17force people to build things if they if

1:04:19the numbers don't work. Uh, and as I

1:04:22think our staff have clearly said, you

1:04:25know, zero%

1:04:28uh, of 15 is still zero. 15% of zero

1:04:32[laughter] is still zero. There we go.

1:04:33Yeah, that's what they said. Thank you.

1:04:35Um, which is to say it doesn't matter

1:04:37how high the percentage is, if it

1:04:38doesn't actually succeed in getting

1:04:39units built. We did a really helpful

1:04:42breakdown um, which was in the outside

1:04:44study of like how these projects are

1:04:47financed. That means that it's not just

1:04:49the developers who have to make work,

1:04:50but the folks who loan them money, who

1:04:52look at every dimension of the project.

1:04:54And it was really clear that right now

1:04:56Malden uh doesn't make sense to build in

1:04:59under the under the existing law, which

1:05:00is why the projects aren't happening. So

1:05:03uh at these affordable projects. So this

1:05:06is I think both a good faith effort to

1:05:10help us get those those projects

1:05:12underway that I do believe will lead to

1:05:14more housing. I also think that it's

1:05:16important that we demonstrate as a city

1:05:18that we are trying to work with the

1:05:20community of developers that is trying

1:05:22to build affordable units and I don't I

1:05:25I think this is very reasonable. If

1:05:27anything, I wish we had been able to

1:05:29provide a little bit more incentives

1:05:31through this change, but it's important

1:05:32that it get done. And um so I think that

1:05:36that means we have to find a place that,

1:05:37you know, we can meet we can all meet on

1:05:39to to move that ahead. But as I've heard

1:05:42from many developers uh who care about

1:05:45affordability and nonprofit developers,

1:05:47they're really concerned about how hard

1:05:49we make it sometimes. And so we're

1:05:50trying to make it easier. This also

1:05:52cleans up some process pieces that I

1:05:54think are really important and brings in

1:05:55the affordable housing trust fund a

1:05:57little bit more. Um we'll talk about the

1:05:58incentives in the next paper, but I

1:06:00would like to ask that two of the

1:06:02letters that these there are two letters

1:06:03that we received from um nonprofit

1:06:05housing developers in the last week or

1:06:07so, one from housing families and one

1:06:09from Metro North Housing Corp. If those

1:06:11could just be included or attached to

1:06:13the paper since they weren't part of the

1:06:15public comment, I think that's really

1:06:16important for the community to see. Um,

1:06:19so I I just want to note that I Yeah, I

1:06:23let me echo my colleagues appreciation

1:06:25for the staff and how much work this has

1:06:27taken uh and this has my full support um

1:06:31to uh to be adopted and and hopefully we

1:06:33can get some of those units those units

1:06:35truly built. Thank you.

1:06:37>> Thank you, Councelor McDonald. Councelor

1:06:39Condan.

1:06:41>> Thank you. Uh, council president, I'd uh

1:06:45be remiss if I didn't um congratulate

1:06:49our ward one council here who took the

1:06:52bull by the horns.

1:06:53>> You have a paper. That's

1:06:55>> Oh, sorry. [laughter]

1:06:57[clears throat]

1:07:01[laughter]

1:07:01>> Okay,

1:07:03I'll give up the mic.

1:07:05>> Okay.

1:07:08I want to read 335 so we can vote on

1:07:11them because that was all just under the

1:07:12committee report.

1:07:13>> Yeah.

1:07:15>> Okay. So the first paper is 335-26B

1:07:17to ordained by the Malden city council

1:07:19that the code of the city of Malden

1:07:2012.12.300

1:07:22inclusionary zoning is hereby amended by

1:07:24striking the ordinance in its entirety

1:07:26and inserting the following.

1:07:29>> I just saw I just saw councelor Ali's

1:07:32hand.

1:07:35All right, Council Mal, you can have the

1:07:36floor.

1:07:38>> Hi. Uh, thank you. So, um, as you all

1:07:43know, I'm in support of affordable

1:07:45housing. Um, and I am in support of

1:07:48providing incentives for that. Um, but I

1:07:52I do want to push back um based on my

1:07:55professional um opinion that it is not

1:07:58the affordability percentage that is

1:08:01preventing um affordable housing and

1:08:04housing from being built in Malden. Um

1:08:06it is the fact that we um intentionally,

1:08:10you know, passed moratoriums

1:08:12um on on multif family homes. We um

1:08:16provided encapped height limits,

1:08:18increased parking requirements um and

1:08:21obviously we're in the middle of a trade

1:08:22war. Um so I just don't think that it's

1:08:24fair or realistic to blame affordable

1:08:28housing in our inclusionary zoning

1:08:30ordinance for the reason why um housing

1:08:34is not being built. It's just not

1:08:36reality. Um but I understand that they

1:08:38that it's an easy an easy target. Um so

1:08:42I'm not in in support of that. Uh, but I

1:08:44am in support of the about about the

1:08:46incentives. Um, and I do think there's

1:08:49value in cleaning up the ordinance. Um,

1:08:52but you know, I'm I'm not going to be

1:08:53voting against this um out of principle.

1:08:57Um, but I do want to highlight something

1:08:59when it comes to principal. Um, you

1:09:00know, earlier we split off. This paper

1:09:03has been split as you know. Um, and that

1:09:05was done without a vote for our rules.

1:09:08Um the vote for the national grid

1:09:12petitions was split without a vote per

1:09:14our rules. Um and so my request is and

1:09:18was to split off E1 which is the

1:09:21affordability percentage only. Um which

1:09:24should be allowed you know per our

1:09:25rules. Um it was not allowed in

1:09:28ordinance. Um I have an anticipation it

1:09:32would not be allowed here on the floor.

1:09:34Um, and I just want to caution the

1:09:35council and and the council president

1:09:37that it's not fair when there is a set

1:09:39of rules for the people that we like and

1:09:42a set of and a different set of rules

1:09:43for those we don't like. Um, that's how

1:09:45I feel. Um, and I just wish that we

1:09:48would be um trying to protect minority

1:09:52and descenting voices better than we

1:09:53have been. Thank you.

1:09:56>> Thank you. Councelor Ali, do you want to

1:09:58proceed with reading the paper?

1:10:00>> Well, I read 335.

1:10:01>> You're We're all set. We have to take a

1:10:03roll call on that now.

1:10:04>> That's fine.

1:10:07>> Oh, did we I don't think we introduced

1:10:09the amendments. I don't think we had any

1:10:10motions on the amendments. I'm sorry.

1:10:12>> Yes.

1:10:13>> Okay. Sorry, Councelor Winsel. Let me

1:10:14put your microphone on. I apologize.

1:10:16>> All right. So um I guess the first the

1:10:19amendments are to in section B um modify

1:10:23the definition of inclusionary project

1:10:28and then strike section D mixed income

1:10:31from that paper

1:10:33>> and then P you know and and the

1:10:35separation that was already recognized.

1:10:38>> I apologize councelor Wel. We were just

1:10:40trying to affirm whether we usually

1:10:41revote the amendments out of committee

1:10:42or not.

1:10:44Yeah, I

1:10:46I I thought we had been doing that as a

1:10:48practice. So,

1:10:49>> okay, that's what I thought as well.

1:10:51>> So, if you if Yeah. Yeah. So,

1:10:53>> so

1:10:55>> and then

1:10:56>> and then the full paper.

1:10:57>> Yeah. So, I I make a motion to amend the

1:10:59paper in consistent with the committee

1:11:01recommendations.

1:11:02>> Okay.

1:11:03>> Right. And I did have that motion

1:11:04already from councelor Winslow, seconded

1:11:06by councelor Cologne Hayes. So, we will

1:11:07take a roll call on the amendments as

1:11:10recommended from the committee report.

1:11:16Council Cologne Hayes,

1:11:18>> yes.

1:11:18>> Council Condan, yes.

1:11:19>> Council Crow,

1:11:20>> yes.

1:11:21>> Council Lewong,

1:11:22>> yes.

1:11:23>> Council McDonald, yes.

1:11:24>> Council Ali,

1:11:26>> yes.

1:11:26>> Council Sega,

1:11:27>> no.

1:11:29>> Council Simmonelli,

1:11:31I'm sorry. Council Taylor,

1:11:33>> yes.

1:11:34>> Council Winsow,

1:11:35>> yes.

1:11:36>> Council President Lahan,

1:11:37>> yes.

1:11:38>> Okay.

1:11:40>> Okay. We can now entertain a motion on

1:11:44the first paper.

1:11:46>> So, uh,

1:11:46>> I would I would just like to formally

1:11:48request that E1 be separated.

1:11:51>> Can you restate that? I couldn't hear

1:11:52you.

1:11:54>> I would just like to formally request

1:11:55that E1 be separated from the paper.

1:11:58>> I don't understand what he's saying.

1:12:00>> He wants to split the paper. He wants to

1:12:01take

1:12:02>> I think he means

1:12:04>> Are you re asking for the request from

1:12:07committee?

1:12:10Correct.

1:12:12>> So I have a point of

1:12:13>> order.

1:12:13>> Is it F1 or E1? I have it as E1.

1:12:16>> So I have a point of order.

1:12:18>> When Robert's rules of order, you can

1:12:20only split a paper if both papers make

1:12:22sense when they stand alone. And I think

1:12:24that's the problem with this paper is

1:12:25that it doesn't

1:12:26>> Okay. Councelor Winsel has a point of

1:12:28order. Oh, sorry. I didn't mean I shut

1:12:29off your mic instead of putting it on.

1:12:30Councelor Winsow. Um, I just have a

1:12:33point of order that that I believe

1:12:35councelor Ali's request is out of order

1:12:38because poor per our rules um a paper

1:12:41has to be capable of being divided. If

1:12:43you divide these two papers and one

1:12:45passes and one fails um the the first

1:12:48paper u may not be um implementable. So

1:12:52I just think it but per our rules um

1:12:55this is beyond the prerogative of an

1:12:57individual counselor. So that's my point

1:13:00of order. I asked the chair to make a

1:13:02ruling on that.

1:13:03>> Okay. I'm going to before I make a

1:13:04ruling, I'm going to restate. I was just

1:13:06getting my committee report, my notes

1:13:08from committee because I wanted to be

1:13:09able to restate the motions that were

1:13:10made in committee because we did take up

1:13:13the same issue last week and revisit it

1:13:16again under councelor Winsow's purview

1:13:19as the ordinance chair earlier in

1:13:20committee tonight. So, the motions made

1:13:22earlier tonight and last week, which we

1:13:25revisited, like I just said, tonight,

1:13:27there was a motion by councelor Ali to

1:13:30split this paper. It was the ruling of

1:13:32the chair that splitting the paper would

1:13:35would essentially disable the paper. And

1:13:38Caroline, you just had said it a better

1:13:39way than that. That's not the right

1:13:41word.

1:13:41>> According to Robert's rules of order, a

1:13:43paper can only be and yes, we normally

1:13:45don't need a formalized vote, but a

1:13:47paper needs to be able to stand alone.

1:13:49stand alone

1:13:50>> when it's split. Both pieces that are

1:13:52split need to be able to stand alone and

1:13:54make sense.

1:13:55>> Okay.

1:13:55>> And so this is the the debate that we've

1:13:58been having over splitting this paper.

1:13:59Usually we don't take formal votes, but

1:14:02in this case, we did bring it to a

1:14:04formal vote because it just didn't seem

1:14:05like it met the criteria.

1:14:07>> Right. So under our under Robert's rules

1:14:09of order and under our own rules, any

1:14:11counselor may move to split a paper. It

1:14:13does not require a second. We do not

1:14:15need to put it to a vote. We entertain

1:14:17councelor Ali's motion. It was the

1:14:19ruling of our chair as well as our

1:14:21parliamentarian that separating this

1:14:24paper would render both halves

1:14:26essentially

1:14:28um move. Neither half could stand alone.

1:14:31Um there was a question of the ruling of

1:14:33the chair that failed for lack of a

1:14:35second. There was then um opposition to

1:14:39that not being called to a vote. So we

1:14:41did take a vote. At that point, as the

1:14:43council president and a member of the

1:14:45ordinance committee, I spoke and offered

1:14:48councelor Ali the opportunity to give a

1:14:51minority opinion report at the full

1:14:53council. Um he councelor Ali feel and

1:14:57feel free to um recap what I'm saying. I

1:15:01will give you the opportunity to

1:15:02respond. Um that option was declined

1:15:07at which point councelor Ali moved to

1:15:11amend the paper to sustain the 15%

1:15:14inclusionary standard there. That also

1:15:17failed for lack of a second at which

1:15:19point councelor Ali stated that they

1:15:21would like to have their motion properly

1:15:23voted. So that was then seconded. We did

1:15:26vote it and it failed at that point. Um,

1:15:31subsequent to that, a motion was made to

1:15:33report the paper out favorably, which

1:15:35did succeed. So, that's how we've got to

1:15:38this point. Um, it's going to be my

1:15:40ruling as chair that we will not be

1:15:42splitting the paper and we do need to

1:15:44take a vote on it. I am going to give

1:15:46council an opportunity to respond

1:15:48because I do not want to appear to be

1:15:51quashing their ability to speak to the

1:15:54paper as many times as they would like

1:15:55to.

1:15:58Thank you. The only the only correction

1:16:01I would make

1:16:03is that um there was a motion to to

1:16:06doubt the ruling of the chair that was

1:16:07seconded. Um and so that that did go up

1:16:10for a vote, but aside from that, your

1:16:13recollection is correct. Um the only

1:16:16other thing I'd point out is that the

1:16:17paper has already been split. And so if

1:16:21part of it passes and and if one of the

1:16:24papers passes and the other half

1:16:25doesn't, it already would not function.

1:16:29So to say that splitting it one more

1:16:31time is any more of a of a a detriment

1:16:34to the impact um is not true. Um because

1:16:40the route that you're leading me down,

1:16:42which I will not take, is to vote

1:16:44against

1:16:46half of the paper, which is the

1:16:47administrative portion that implements

1:16:49the new process. I'm not going to be

1:16:51voting against that. Um so it just

1:16:54doesn't make sense. Like what you're

1:16:55basically asking is for me to vote

1:16:57against the administration. Um which

1:16:59would make the other half of it not

1:17:01function. Um it just is not a it's just

1:17:04not a a reasonable explanation. Um, but

1:17:06thanks for hearing my objection.

1:17:09>> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Ali. Um, I do

1:17:12see a couple other lights. I'm going to

1:17:13go to Councelor Sea first. Thank you,

1:17:16Madam President. Um, I might be on the

1:17:20minority up here, but I am really

1:17:23struggling to support this paper. I

1:17:27absolutely recognize the need for

1:17:29affordable housing in Malden. I think

1:17:32all of us up here can agree on that. We

1:17:35have residents, families, young adults.

1:17:37They're all struggling to find

1:17:39affordable housing. And I certainly want

1:17:42to be a part of finding solutions for

1:17:45those people. But I also have to believe

1:17:49that we have to be careful on how we can

1:17:52get there.

1:17:54We appoint and employ professionals to

1:17:58guide us on matters just like this. That

1:18:01doesn't mean we have to agree with them

1:18:02every time, but when both our building

1:18:05commissioner and our city planner raise

1:18:07concerns about a zoning change, I think

1:18:10we owe it to our residents to listen. I

1:18:14think we're rushing this. Um, just

1:18:16because we have the authority to do

1:18:18something doesn't mean it's always the

1:18:21right thing to do. And until I'm

1:18:23confident that the concerns of the

1:18:25building commissioner and the city

1:18:27planner have been addressed, I

1:18:30unfortunately cannot support this paper.

1:18:32So I just wanted to go on the record and

1:18:33state that. Thank you.

1:18:34>> Okay. Thank you, councelor Sika.

1:18:36Councelor Winslow.

1:18:37>> Yeah. I just want to point out about the

1:18:40reason why we split the paper originally

1:18:42was that we were basically told by under

1:18:44state law,

1:18:45>> yes,

1:18:45>> that we had to do that. So there was a

1:18:48very compelling reason why we split the

1:18:50paper. Um it was um it was basically

1:18:53necessary that um the the legal

1:18:56department uh

1:18:59stated that um when you pass incentives

1:19:02related to zoning, they cannot be tied

1:19:04in with things that are not incentives.

1:19:06So um it was their legal recommendation

1:19:08[snorts] that we split the paper. So um

1:19:11it it wasn't just the prerogative of an

1:19:13individual counselor. It was basically

1:19:15mandated by state law. So thank you.

1:19:18>> Yes. Thank you, Councelor Winsel. And

1:19:20from the chair, I you took the words out

1:19:22of my mouth. I was going to make that

1:19:23further clarification um because I do

1:19:25think it's important for the public to

1:19:27understand and and also just, you know,

1:19:29these are two separate notions that are

1:19:32very much intertwined because we're

1:19:34trying to present a package of things

1:19:35that together constitute incentives that

1:19:38developers can utilize um with the

1:19:41overarching goal that we're bringing in

1:19:42development and that we're promoting

1:19:43affordable housing. Um so we we do need

1:19:46to take two separate sets of votes. Um

1:19:49but again as you stated there is a state

1:19:51law that is the reason behind that.

1:19:54Seeing no other lights I am going to ask

1:19:56that we call the role on the paper at

1:19:59this time if our clerk is ready.

1:20:00>> Do we have

1:20:01>> motion to enroll?

1:20:03>> Okay. A motion by councelor Winslow to

1:20:07enroll. Do I have a second?

1:20:09>> Sec.

1:20:10>> Seconded by councelor McDonald. Clerk,

1:20:12will you please call the role?

1:20:13>> Council Cologne Hayes.

1:20:14>> Yes.

1:20:14>> Council Condan.

1:20:16>> Yes.

1:20:16>> Council Crowe.

1:20:17>> Yes. Council Lewong,

1:20:21>> yes.

1:20:22>> Council McDonald,

1:20:23>> yes.

1:20:24>> Council Ali,

1:20:26>> yes.

1:20:26>> Council Sega,

1:20:27>> no.

1:20:29>> Council Taylor,

1:20:30>> yes.

1:20:31>> Council Winsow,

1:20:32>> yes.

1:20:32>> Council President Lahan,

1:20:34>> yes.

1:20:35>> That paper has been enrolled.

1:20:36>> Okay, that paper has been enrolled. Next

1:20:39order of business.

1:20:44Paper 335A-26

1:20:47be it ordained by the Malden city

1:20:48council that the code of the city of

1:20:50Malden 12.12.300

1:20:53exclusionary exclusionary zoning is

1:20:56hereby amended by including a new

1:20:57subsection that shall be titled F

1:21:00incentives

1:21:01>> that's inclusionary zoning not exclusion

1:21:04[laughter]

1:21:06>> kind of the opposite of what we're

1:21:07trying to do here tonight sorry I'm very

1:21:11much in elections mode

1:21:13so much my [laughter] uh job here

1:21:16tonight.

1:21:17>> Okay. Councelor Winsow for the paper.

1:21:20>> So the uh committee um after again

1:21:25good discussions um voted to vote

1:21:29favorably for this uh separated paper um

1:21:32with some amendments. Um you know the

1:21:35these incentives would include some

1:21:37height bonuses. Um but um we made clear

1:21:40that the bonuses um the the

1:21:43recommendation is to amend the um

1:21:46language so that the bonuses um are

1:21:48clear will not apply in resident A

1:21:50districts. So where um you can do

1:21:52multifamily housing outside of resident

1:21:54A. Um there'll be some height incentives

1:21:57but those height incentives kind of

1:21:58can't be double counted or or otherwise

1:22:01to um really uh get extra units in

1:22:04resident A districts. Um there was some

1:22:07discussion of having some location

1:22:08bonuses, but after um discussions and

1:22:12and uh that was uh the the committee

1:22:17said that it would be best just to

1:22:19strike that uh because we couldn't

1:22:21really come to a fair compromise. And

1:22:23then um just tonight um we had a further

1:22:26discussion um about parking adjustments.

1:22:28Um the initial paper proposed that there

1:22:31be um for any project subject to

1:22:35inclusionary zoning that there be one

1:22:38parking space per um unit. Um and uh and

1:22:44uh then for affordable you uh uh

1:22:47projects it' be.7 parking spaces per

1:22:50unit. Um, Councelor Crow proposed an

1:22:52[snorts] amendment that that be adjusted

1:22:54to um 1.1 parking space for um uh a

1:23:00market unit and.7

1:23:03parking space per unit for affordable

1:23:05units. Um after discussion um the

1:23:08committee uh voted favorably for that

1:23:10amendment. So um so that is the

1:23:13committee report that we recommended

1:23:15that that favorably with those um

1:23:17amendments. Thank you.

1:23:19>> Okay. Thank Thank you, Councelor Winsow.

1:23:21Do I have any questions on the split

1:23:24paper?

1:23:25>> Now, councelor Con.

1:23:27>> Oh, right. Councelor Condan, it's your

1:23:29it's your moment. [laughter]

1:23:32>> I was ahead of myself.

1:23:36>> That's all right.

1:23:39>> I'd like to recognize Council Crow. I

1:23:42thought you might

1:23:43>> for outstanding ability to work out a

1:23:47compromise to move this paper forward.

1:23:51>> Thank you.

1:23:53>> I would definitely second that. Thank

1:23:55you for mentioning that.

1:23:58>> Okay, Councelor McDonald.

1:24:00Um I just want to express my support for

1:24:02these incentives and say here again you

1:24:04know my preference would be to go

1:24:06further but I am grateful that we have

1:24:08come to a place where we can all move

1:24:11forward with what you know where the

1:24:13committee can move forward with the

1:24:13paper and hopefully the full council

1:24:15here. Um and just I just wanted to

1:24:18highlight a couple things for folks

1:24:19following this. I think it's really

1:24:20important that we have change that this

1:24:23paper changes the parking requirements

1:24:25from being only applying to the

1:24:26affordable units to all units in the

1:24:28building and you know even and even with

1:24:32of course those updates from committee

1:24:34that's still a significant change

1:24:36because um as was as was pointed out in

1:24:39committee that helps uh m that helps

1:24:42units with multiple bedrooms get built.

1:24:44Those are like familysized units because

1:24:46right now the requirement for parking is

1:24:50parking spaces is based by bedroom which

1:24:52means the more you try to build a two or

1:24:55three bedroomedroom apartment or unit

1:24:57that could house a family then it just

1:25:00exponentially increases your parking

1:25:01costs um regardless of the need. So, I

1:25:04think those are some really important

1:25:05changes um that I just want to make sure

1:25:08that the community knows. And and again,

1:25:10this is part of the you know, we really

1:25:12looked at these incentives while the

1:25:13paper is split for these legal reasons.

1:25:15We looked at the incentives about where

1:25:17you can save money on parking, where you

1:25:19can get additional um units. We've made

1:25:22it easier to build additional units so

1:25:23that that that you can get basically

1:25:25more bang for your buck as a developer.

1:25:28again to make the financing work to make

1:25:30sure that the incentives are good enough

1:25:33that affordable units truly get built.

1:25:35So, I'm I'm I'm very excited um to be

1:25:38able to support this paper. Um and I

1:25:40would just point out I know there was

1:25:42some back and forth about the language

1:25:44and where this lives in the zoning and

1:25:46my perspective after listening to all of

1:25:49that is that there's no perfect

1:25:50solution. Um waiting is also not a good

1:25:53solution and and can impact folks who

1:25:55badly need housing. But I think it is

1:25:57all indicative of the fact that our

1:25:59overall zoning badly needs to be

1:26:00updated. I I think I and many of us view

1:26:04this as a a kind of a a band-aid

1:26:06approach until it can be better

1:26:08integrated into a holistic consideration

1:26:10of our residential zoning. Um and and

1:26:13and also I am glad that um there's a way

1:26:17to move forward that doesn't wait for

1:26:19all of that to happen. I do recognize

1:26:21that that's not ideal. Um, so I think

1:26:24that's true about the park, you know,

1:26:25the parking requirements as well and the

1:26:28ways that we can control parking through

1:26:29other way through other means like

1:26:31permits that don't fully exist yet in

1:26:33law, but we hope to in the future. A

1:26:35number of my colleagues have talked

1:26:36about that as well. So just wanted to

1:26:37provide those additional contexts on the

1:26:40on the incentives and offer my strong

1:26:42support for the paper. Thank you.

1:26:44>> Thank you, Councelor McDonald. Councelor

1:26:46Sika.

1:26:47>> Thank you, Madam President. Again, I am

1:26:50probably on the minority here and I'm

1:26:52going to beat a dead horse cuz I talk

1:26:54about it all the time, but um the

1:26:56parking in my ward is out of control. Um

1:27:01if you drive up near Altitude, formerly

1:27:04Granada Highlands, it is affordable

1:27:06housing up there and it is a disaster.

1:27:10I had to implement permit parking on

1:27:14Kennedy Skyline,

1:27:16Winchester, Glenmir, Truman, all because

1:27:21the people that are living in altitude,

1:27:24they're only I don't know if they're

1:27:25only allowing one spot. I was having

1:27:27that conversation with Council Crow

1:27:28today. If they're not on the lease, they

1:27:30don't get a parking spot, but there's

1:27:31also a limit as to how many parking

1:27:34spots they can get in that particular

1:27:36complex. And they're all pushed out onto

1:27:40Kennedy Central,

1:27:42all those streets I just mentioned. And

1:27:44it it's a nightmare. I it I have a house

1:27:47on Claremont Street that has 11

1:27:50registered cars at it. 11. You cannot

1:27:54tell me there's two cars registered to

1:27:56every house in this city. I I I don't

1:27:59believe it. I have I in front of my own

1:28:02house. Poor Ernie probably wants to kill

1:28:05me because I'm calling him constantly

1:28:07over my own issues, but I have New

1:28:10Hampshire, Maine, uh, New York, New

1:28:14Jersey,

1:28:16though, we're not even taking those into

1:28:17considerations. And as much as I would

1:28:19love to see residential

1:28:22parking here, I I don't know if it's

1:28:25ever going to happen while we're sitting

1:28:26up here, unfortunately. We've tried to

1:28:28tackle it so many times. I'm just I'm

1:28:31not hopeful. So again, I am the

1:28:33minority, but because of the parking and

1:28:36I I just the whole 10 to the 15 to 10 to

1:28:40make it a for that number. I I just I

1:28:43can't do it. So unfortunately, I am

1:28:45against this paper and um if it's okay,

1:28:49Council President, I just got news that

1:28:52a friend of mine had passed. So I'm

1:28:54leaving. Okay.

1:28:54>> So thank you.

1:28:56>> Thank you for letting us know,

1:28:58>> Councelor Winslow.

1:29:00>> Yeah. You know, I I uh really uh think

1:29:05this uh particularly incentives part is

1:29:07important. Um you know, as in in Ward 6,

1:29:12there are quite a few people in the

1:29:14neighborhood that take advantage of our

1:29:16great bus services, including that's one

1:29:18of the things that attracted me to the

1:29:20neighborhood. Um yes, there's always

1:29:23tension in a city about uh parking. Um,

1:29:28you know, sometimes I think sometimes

1:29:29the highest quality cities have the

1:29:31biggest parking problems because, you

1:29:33know, people like living in walkable

1:29:34neighborhoods, but there's never going

1:29:36to be enough uh spaces to park all the

1:29:39cars in a walkable neighborhood. It's

1:29:40kind of counterintuitive. So, but I I

1:29:42just I also think in terms of you

1:29:45working for affordable housing, um, you

1:29:48know, people, you know, a car they were

1:29:50talking about some people's car payments

1:29:52are now over $1,000 a month. I mean, my

1:29:55mortgage payment when we bought in

1:29:57Malden was just a little bit over that.

1:29:59So, um, having people have to, um, you

1:30:03know, people are having to make tough

1:30:04choices. Fortunately, in Malden, you can

1:30:07make the choice to have live a car-free

1:30:10or less car life. Um, uh, and that is

1:30:13something that I feel that um, you know,

1:30:17and you know, adding um, you know, this

1:30:20is like minimums. let the market decide

1:30:23how many people they can figure that

1:30:25out. Um and and people can make the

1:30:27choices about um where to live and how

1:30:30how to get to work. Um let's focus on

1:30:33improving transportation. Um you know

1:30:36having a moderate amount of parking

1:30:37required but not over parking and uh and

1:30:41work for alternatives for people to be

1:30:43safely getting around the city. So, I I

1:30:46think this is a great step forward and

1:30:48I'd definitely like to see a lot uh get

1:30:51the housing going um use our streets

1:30:54efficiently to move people. Um and I

1:30:57think this is a step forward. Thank you.

1:31:00>> Thank you, Councelor Winslow. Councelor

1:31:02Leong.

1:31:04>> Okay.

1:31:06Well, I will say from the chair, I think

1:31:08this has certainly been a long road

1:31:10between, you know, the planning board

1:31:12hearings over the summer and then being

1:31:14in committee all fall. I want to really

1:31:16commend the staff and the really all the

1:31:19council members. I know we've had at

1:31:21most of these meetings, not just

1:31:22ordinance, but really the entire um the

1:31:26entire council for many of these

1:31:28discussions. I think it's really

1:31:29elevated a lot of um what's so

1:31:32intertwined about affordable housing and

1:31:35livability in the city and parking

1:31:37policy. And um as councelor McDonald and

1:31:39so many of us have have set up here,

1:31:41there's a lot more there's a longer

1:31:43to-do list that emerged from um talking

1:31:45about this paper. We're certainly not

1:31:47done here tonight. I think we achieved a

1:31:49lot of what we set out to do. We made

1:31:52some great headway, but we definitely um

1:31:55have have some things that we need to

1:31:56work on as well. I'm proud to be

1:31:58supporting this. I think we're getting a

1:32:00lot done here, but I also think that we

1:32:03learned a lot about what we might do

1:32:04next. Um, and I think that we had some

1:32:07great collaboration and great

1:32:08compromise, but um, I also think I would

1:32:12echo what others have said. I'd like to

1:32:13go further in what we do next. Um, and

1:32:16I'm so sorry, Council Mali, I just

1:32:18slipped up and saw your hand up. So, I

1:32:20am going to give my time to you because

1:32:22I don't need to be going on and on from

1:32:24the chair when we have a counselor

1:32:26waiting to speak. So, I will give you

1:32:27back the floor before I keep going.

1:32:33>> Oh. Oh, no. Ple please finish.

1:32:35>> No, I'm just I would was going to move

1:32:37the question so I want to make sure

1:32:38everybody has time to speak.

1:32:42>> Um I was going to be asked to be added

1:32:45as a co-sponsor

1:32:47and I think that of this particular

1:32:49paper which which are the incentives and

1:32:52I think that this is really what we need

1:32:54to be doing. uh we need to be

1:32:56incentivizing

1:32:57um and not reducing um you know

1:33:00affordability percentages. Um so while I

1:33:03voted in favor of the last paper um I do

1:33:06think that more incentives are the way

1:33:08to go um rather than reducing

1:33:10affordability percentages. Thank you.

1:33:12Thank you, councelor Mali. And I do see

1:33:14councelor Winslow

1:33:16one.

1:33:17>> If if everybody's done discussion, I I

1:33:19just wanted to make uh the motion to uh

1:33:22amend the paper, but as we discussed in

1:33:25the committee, there was some language

1:33:26that the city planner and legal office

1:33:28wanted to add. So, I I just want to

1:33:31mention this. Um so to start section F

1:33:35the amendment language and I know um the

1:33:38clerk and um you know the council have

1:33:41got this by email but I just want to

1:33:42read this. So, a further amendment

1:33:44beyond what was recommended to committee

1:33:45is to um to strike the the introductory

1:33:49sentence of section uh 1212

1:33:53300F um in the paper and have it read to

1:33:57facilitate the objectives of this

1:33:59section, a development subject to this

1:34:02section shall comply with all applicable

1:34:04requirements of this ordinance, comma,

1:34:06except for requirements regarding

1:34:08density, height, and number of parking

1:34:10spaces and only as stated in the

1:34:13following incentive provision. So that's

1:34:14just a clarification that um you know

1:34:17the our city planner and legal office

1:34:20keen to there there was a little bit of

1:34:22question on that. So I would make a

1:34:24motion that we um first vote to amend

1:34:27the paper as recommended by committee

1:34:28and with this additional amendment.

1:34:31Thank you.

1:34:32>> Okay. On a motion by councelor Winsow,

1:34:34seconded by councelor Crow. Uh on those

1:34:37amendments as just stated we'll call the

1:34:39role.

1:34:39>> Council Cologne Hayes. Council Condan.

1:34:42Yes.

1:34:42>> Council Crow.

1:34:43>> Yes.

1:34:43>> Council Lewong.

1:34:44>> Yes.

1:34:44>> Council McDonald. Yes.

1:34:46>> Council Ali.

1:34:48>> Yes.

1:34:48>> Council Taylor.

1:34:49>> Yes.

1:34:50>> Council Winslow.

1:34:50>> Yes.

1:34:51>> Council President Lahan.

1:34:52>> Yes.

1:34:52>> The paper has been amended.

1:34:55>> Okay.

1:34:56>> Motion to enroll as

1:34:59>> Okay. On a motion by Councelor Winslow,

1:35:01seconded by Councelor Crow to enroll as

1:35:04amended. We will call the role.

1:35:07>> Council Cologne Hayes.

1:35:08>> Yes.

1:35:08>> Council Condan. Yes.

1:35:10>> Council Crow.

1:35:11>> Yes. Council La Wong,

1:35:12>> yes.

1:35:13>> Council McDonald,

1:35:14>> yes.

1:35:14>> Council Ali,

1:35:17>> yes.

1:35:17>> Council Taylor,

1:35:18>> yes.

1:35:19>> Council Winslow,

1:35:20>> yes.

1:35:20>> Council President Lenn,

1:35:21>> yes.

1:35:22>> Okay, that paper has been enrolled.

1:35:24>> That paper has been enrolled.

1:35:26Congratulations everyone.

1:35:30>> Next order of business.

1:35:34Paper 447-26.

1:35:36Committee report. the standing committee

1:35:38on finance to whom was referred papers

1:35:40427 and 428 series of 2026. Having

1:35:44considered the same make the following

1:35:45report.

1:35:48Okay. On a motion by councelor McDonald,

1:35:50seconded by councelor Lewong to receive

1:35:52the committee report, we will call the

1:35:53role.

1:35:56>> Council Colon Hayes, yes.

1:35:57>> Council Condan, yes.

1:35:58>> Council Crow,

1:36:00>> Council Lewong,

1:36:01>> Council McDonald,

1:36:02>> Council Ali,

1:36:04>> yes.

1:36:05>> Council Taylor,

1:36:06>> yes. Council Winsow.

1:36:07>> Yes.

1:36:07>> Council President Lahan.

1:36:09>> Yes.

1:36:09>> Okay. So, the committee report is being

1:36:11received.

1:36:11>> Okay. The committee report is received.

1:36:16>> Sorry. Council McDonald for the paper or

1:36:18do you want to read the paper?

1:36:20>> Would you like me to read both at the

1:36:21same time or just one at a time?

1:36:23>> Please do one at a time.

1:36:25>> Paper 427-26.

1:36:26order that the sum of $157,000

1:36:29be and the same is hereby transferred

1:36:32from salary reserved to the following

1:36:34accounts.

1:36:36>> So this paper is the appropriation that

1:36:38accompanies the change to the assistant

1:36:40department director SC salary schedule

1:36:42that we just uh enrolled in this

1:36:44meeting. Um this one is split across a

1:36:48dozen different departments because this

1:36:50is a kind of a diffuse bargaining unit

1:36:52and has members in a lot of departments

1:36:54because it's the assistant director. So

1:36:56um this took a little while to assemble.

1:36:59Usually we get these at the same time

1:37:00because this and the next paper are all

1:37:04retroactive

1:37:06uh agreements. They are all to bring up

1:37:08to June 1 of this or excuse me to June

1:37:1230 of this year. Um and in this case for

1:37:14the last the prior two fiscal years that

1:37:17cont that contract and those employees

1:37:20as part of our plan to close the budget

1:37:23gap. uh given I think especially the

1:37:25failure of the Proposition two and a

1:37:28half override uh vote in March, the city

1:37:32has been bargaining uh with all of its

1:37:35unions for zero contract increases um

1:37:38for this fiscal year, the one we're in

1:37:40right now. That also meant that a lot of

1:37:43the contracts uh contract negotiations

1:37:45got frozen basically last year at the

1:37:47point at which we started the override.

1:37:49We started talking about the override

1:37:50campaign. So, we're now in a process of

1:37:53kind of closing out those those

1:37:54negotiations that had been open around

1:37:56this time last year. Um, and what we're

1:37:59doing with those is trying to bring

1:38:00those up so that the whole city is pl

1:38:02all of our city staff are have have the

1:38:05same the same opportunity basically to

1:38:07to negotiate for those races and

1:38:09bringing folks up current to June 30th

1:38:11of this year. So, this again is entirely

1:38:15retroactive. It took a little while

1:38:16because some folks aren't in their

1:38:17positions anymore and some of the uh

1:38:20some of the additional incentives in in

1:38:23the contract had to be we had to make

1:38:26sure that how that they were correctly

1:38:28applied. Uh but I it was unanimously

1:38:31referred out of committee with no

1:38:34amendments.

1:38:36>> Okay. Thank you, Council McDonald.

1:38:38Seeing no lights or hands, um do I have

1:38:42a motion?

1:38:44So move to adopt the order.

1:38:46>> Okay. On a motion by councelor McDonald,

1:38:48seconded by councelor Crow. We'll call

1:38:50the roll.

1:38:58>> Council clone Hayes.

1:38:59>> Yes.

1:38:59>> Council Condan.

1:39:00>> Yes.

1:39:01>> Council Crow.

1:39:02>> Yes.

1:39:02>> Council Lewan.

1:39:03>> Yes.

1:39:03>> Council McDonald.

1:39:04>> Yes.

1:39:05>> Council Ali.

1:39:07>> Yes.

1:39:08>> Council Taylor.

1:39:09>> Yes.

1:39:10>> Council Winsow.

1:39:11>> Yes.

1:39:11>> Council President Lahan.

1:39:12>> Yes. That paper has been adopted.

1:39:14>> Okay, that paper is adopted.

1:39:17>> Paper 428-26.

1:39:19Order that the sum of $220,000

1:39:22be and is be and the same is hereby

1:39:25transferred from salary reserve to

1:39:26police salaries.

1:39:27>> Okay, councelor McDonald. This was an

1:39:30even quicker discussion. Again, this is

1:39:32a retroactive increase that brings the

1:39:35patrol union, which is the bulk of the

1:39:36police department, current as of June 30

1:39:39with just a a um 3% cost of living

1:39:43adjustment that gets applied across all

1:39:45of the benefits that uh are included in

1:39:48this in the collective bargaining

1:39:50agreement. So, this was unanimously

1:39:52recommended favorably out of committee

1:39:55with no amendments.

1:39:56>> Any questions? Okay, seeing none, do I

1:39:59have a motion?

1:40:00>> Motion. [snorts]

1:40:01Motion by councelor Winslow, seconded by

1:40:03councelor Cologne Hayes.

1:40:05>> We will call the role.

1:40:10>> Council Cologne Hayes,

1:40:11>> yes.

1:40:11>> Council Condan, yes.

1:40:12>> Council Crow, yes.

1:40:14>> Council Lewong,

1:40:15>> yes.

1:40:15>> Council McDonald,

1:40:16>> yes.

1:40:16>> Council Ali,

1:40:19>> yes.

1:40:20>> Council Taylor, yes.

1:40:21>> Council Winslow, yes. Council President

1:40:22Lahan,

1:40:23>> yes.

1:40:24>> That paper has been adopted.

1:40:25>> Okay, that paper has been adopted. Next

1:40:27order of business.

1:40:28>> That is the agenda. Okay, the docket is

1:40:30clear. Does anybody want personal

1:40:32privilege?

1:40:35>> I see. Councelor Winslow.

1:40:37>> All right. Um, so this Saturday from

1:40:3912:00 to 3 at Trafton Park, we are

1:40:41having the um the W 6 Halloween

1:40:45celebration. So, come out. We have games

1:40:47and other things and uh entertainment

1:40:50and you can get some uh prizes and candy

1:40:53from that. So, come out. It's a fun day.

1:40:55Looks like the weather going to be

1:40:56great. Um, I also ask that everybody

1:41:00remember that this Saturday evening is

1:41:02of course Halloween. People will be out

1:41:04um, you know, at after dark uh, and and

1:41:07kids will be out there in the streets.

1:41:08So, please drive safe and um, you know,

1:41:11especially being a Saturday night,

1:41:12people might be out there a little

1:41:13later. So, please be alert and drive

1:41:16safely and um, and uh, be responsible

1:41:20driving. And then we have uh people can

1:41:23be voting right now at well this week at

1:41:26city hall the next till f Thursday early

1:41:29voting is happening

1:41:30>> till Thursday 5:00 pm. That's right.

1:41:31>> Thursday at 5:00 pm and then everybody

1:41:34can vote at their local precinct. Um uh

1:41:37come next uh Tuesday and you know glad

1:41:40to report in uh W 6 we were able to um

1:41:44make the ADA uh uh maintenance at club

1:41:4824. So, W 62, uh, you can roll right in

1:41:51there and safely. Thank you very much.

1:41:53Great.

1:41:53>> Thank you, Councelor Winsow. Councelor

1:41:55Taylor,

1:41:57>> thank you. So, I just wanted to say

1:41:58thank you to everybody who came out for

1:42:00the haunted woods on Saturday. Um, we

1:42:02had over 300 guests come through the

1:42:05haunted woods and probably about 65

1:42:08volunteers. Um, which was pretty

1:42:11amazing. Um, so thank you to everybody

1:42:13who spent the entire day setting up uh

1:42:16weeks before planning and came in

1:42:18costume. We had a really good time and I

1:42:21got great feedback. I appreciate

1:42:23everyone and for everyone who donated

1:42:25gift cards. Um, but especially want to

1:42:28say thank you to all the firefighters

1:42:29and the various cities and towns that

1:42:31came out on Friday to help with the

1:42:33Porter Street fire. Um, and the entire

1:42:37community for coming together to help

1:42:39these folks. Um, and there will be

1:42:41updates posted as soon as we can get

1:42:45everything together. Um, and then

1:42:48hopefully I'll see you all on Bainbridge

1:42:50Street on Saturday night for

1:42:53trick-or-treating.

1:42:55>> Great. Thank you, Councelor Taylor.

1:42:56Councelor Crow.

1:42:58>> Thank you, Madam President. I just want

1:43:00to say thank you to everybody that

1:43:01participated either by putting in

1:43:03trunks, my colleagues and everybody

1:43:06else, or um for just coming on down.

1:43:08Sunday was um just mother nature really

1:43:12shined upon us and

1:43:14>> we had someone trying to do sort of a

1:43:16count and there was about 800 kids.

1:43:18>> Whoa.

1:43:19>> Um not just the adults. I think the line

1:43:21was never going to end. I was getting

1:43:22really nervous.

1:43:24>> The um but you know it it actually they

1:43:26they moved it through and everybody I

1:43:28think it was it was just a great day. So

1:43:31I want to thank everybody for um for

1:43:33their participation.

1:43:36>> Wonderful. Wow. 800 kids. That's a lot.

1:43:39That's a lot of candy. Councelor Condan.

1:43:43>> Thank you, Madame President. I'd like to

1:43:46recognize GMAC

1:43:48>> for their uh sponsorship

1:43:51to u have a W two cleanup with the help

1:43:55of Karen Buck from

1:43:58>> Yes.

1:43:58>> Men River. She does so much work.

1:44:02>> Absolutely. But, uh,

1:44:04they're all going to pitch in together

1:44:06this, uh, the 31st,

1:44:09which would be Saturday.

1:44:12>> Do you know what time that's going to

1:44:13be?

1:44:14>> Yes. From, uh, 11 to 1. And they're also

1:44:19going to uh, feed the people that

1:44:22participated.

1:44:24>> Well, you just reminded me. Oh, Council

1:44:26McDonald, did you have something? I'll

1:44:27let you go.

1:44:28>> It was just very brief. It was just to

1:44:31remind everyone that Sunday is the

1:44:34change out of daylight savings time. We

1:44:37fall back. I am somebody that hates

1:44:40daylight savings time. Actually, I like

1:44:42daylight savings time. I don't like

1:44:43daylight standard time and I feel

1:44:46unreasonably passionate about that. Um,

1:44:49as does our US senator who lives here,

1:44:51Ed Marky. But nonetheless, it is

1:44:52happening. So, don't forget to set your

1:44:54clocks um back an hour on Sunday.

1:44:57>> Wait, which one do you like? You like

1:44:59>> I like daylight savings. Like I like

1:45:01what we're in now. I don't want it to

1:45:03switch to the standard time, which is

1:45:05what happens

1:45:06>> when it gets dark.

1:45:07>> If I say I don't like daylight savings

1:45:09time, it just implies I want it to be

1:45:10like it is going to be a week from now

1:45:11all the time, which is not the case. I

1:45:13want it to be like it is right now.

1:45:14>> Sorry to get you going.

1:45:15>> Like stay cool time zone. That's that's

1:45:18the vibe I'm going for right now.

1:45:20>> Council Ali,

1:45:23>> thank you. I just want to give a shout

1:45:25out to Malden resident Megan Louise. uh

1:45:27Megan Lewis Michaelelsson uh who is a

1:45:29finalist to be Logan Airport's new uh

1:45:32voice. And so you have just under 24

1:45:35hours to vote for her or someone else uh

1:45:38to be the new voice of Logan Airport.

1:45:39I'm just going to play Megan

1:45:41>> International Airport. Go to Boston

1:45:44Logan International Airport.

1:45:47>> So if you want to vote for Megan, feel

1:45:48free to check that out. Google the new

1:45:50voice of Logan Airport. It could be

1:45:52someone from Malden. Thank you. I mean,

1:45:54I know we're all biased, but it really

1:45:56should be a Malden person. I feel

1:45:58>> all roads lead back to

1:46:00>> Well, I I was just going to conclude us

1:46:02by realizing that because we have the

1:46:04election in a week, which is a great

1:46:06reminder. I know somebody already

1:46:08mentioned the early voting, but we will

1:46:09not be having a meeting next week. We

1:46:12will be coming back on the 10th. Um, but

1:46:14that means that this is my only

1:46:16opportunity to remind folks that we're

1:46:17going to be having a community meeting

1:46:18on Saturday the 7th for the citywide

1:46:21comprehensive plan. Um, which November

1:46:247th in my mind is a long ways away, but

1:46:25we won't be back here before that to

1:46:27remind everyone. So, if you've been

1:46:29looking for a way to get involved in the

1:46:31city's comprehensive plan, which is a

1:46:33kind of a 10-year look at the vision of

1:46:35what we all want for the community

1:46:36looking ahead, um, there's going to be a

1:46:38drop-in workshop. You can come to the

1:46:40senior and teen center anytime between

1:46:4310:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. on Saturday,

1:46:45November 7th. There's going to be

1:46:46activities for kids, snacks, um, and if

1:46:49you have, you know, 5 minutes, half an

1:46:51hour, however much long folks have, it's

1:46:53welcome to open to all. Just come in

1:46:55and, um, there will be stations set up

1:46:57where you can tell folks, um, that are

1:47:00helping the city with the plan, what you

1:47:02think of the future of the city and what

1:47:04you'd like to see. And, um, please come

1:47:06by. It's supposed to be a really fun

1:47:08time. So with that, I will be looking

1:47:10for a motion to adjurnn.

1:47:12>> On a motion by councelor McDonald,

1:47:13seconded by councelor Taylor. We will

1:47:16call the role.

1:47:18>> Council Cologne Hayes, yes.

1:47:20>> Council Condan,

1:47:21>> yes.

1:47:21>> Council Crow,

1:47:22>> yes.

1:47:22>> Council Wong,

1:47:23>> yes.

1:47:23>> Council McDonald,

1:47:24>> yes.

1:47:25>> Council Ali,

1:47:27>> yes.

1:47:27>> Council Taylor,

1:47:28>> yes.

1:47:29>> Council Winsow,

1:47:30>> yes.

1:47:30>> Council President Lahan,

1:47:31>> yes.

1:47:32>> Okay, we are adjourned at 8:53.

1:47:34>> Okay, thank you everyone.

1:47:38Not too bad. Not