2026-10-20 - City Council

01:23Okay, is it 7:13? The council will come

01:25to order.

01:27All rise and salute the flag.

01:30I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

01:32United States of America and to the

01:34Republic for which it stands, one nation

01:37under God, indivisible, with liberty and

01:40justice for all. Please remain standing

01:42for a moment of silence in honor of our

01:43veterans, service members, and those who

01:45have given the ultimate sacrifice.

01:53We honor and acknowledge the

01:54Massachusetts, Pennacook, and Pawtucket

01:56peoples whose ancestral lands we now

01:58call home and on which we gather today.

02:01We express gratitude to the indigenous

02:03peoples who have cared for this land for

02:04generations predating European

02:06colonization and continuing to the

02:08present. Moving forward, we are

02:10committed to ensuring that the

02:11histories, voices, and contributions of

02:13indigenous peoples are recognized and

02:15respected in the life of our city.

02:18Clerk, will you please call the roll?

02:23>> Councilor Clone Hayes.

02:24>> Here.

02:25>> Councilor Condon.

02:26>> Here.

02:26>> Councilor Crowe.

02:27>> Here.

02:27>> Councilor Leong.

02:28>> Here.

02:29>> Councilor McDonald.

02:30>> Here.

02:31>> Councilor O'Malley.

02:32>> Here.

02:32>> Councilor Segarra.

02:33>> Here.

02:33>> Councilor Simonelli. Councilor Taylor.

02:37I believe she's with us, but just out of

02:38the room at the moment right now. Um

02:40Councilor Winslow.

02:42>> Here.

02:42>> And Council President Linehan.

02:44>> Here.

02:45>> Okay. Thank you, Clerk.

02:47Next, under the provisions of the open

02:48meeting law, for those of you in

02:50attendance, please be informed that UMA,

02:52Urban Media Arts, will be recording this

02:54evening's meeting. So, please just be

02:56aware that there will be audio and video

02:58recording of tonight's meeting. Um is

03:01anyone else present tonight who is

03:03recording in addition to UMA? If you

03:05are, could you please identify yourself?

03:07Just wave your hand.

03:09Okay, seeing none, we'll move on to our

03:11first order of business, which is

03:12guests, citizens achievement, and

03:14announcements.

03:24Oh, let me put your mic phone on. One

03:25second.

03:26>> Thanks.

03:27>> Members of the Climate Action and

03:28Sustainability Commission will appear

03:30before the council to present on the

03:32commission's first annual progress

03:34report evaluating the implementation of

03:36the city's climate action plan. Welcome.

03:40>> Thank you.

03:59>> Oh my goodness.

04:01>> Oh, no.

04:02>> I honestly don't know why it keeps doing

04:03that. I apologize.

04:04>> Okay, bear with us just one moment while

04:06we get our projector going.

04:08>> kind of I'm going to report this while

04:09you're talking. I'm going to report this

04:11to IT. It keeps going in and out and I

04:12don't know why, but we are on and people

04:14at home can still see us even if our

04:16projector goes off.

04:17>> Perfect. Okay, good to know.

04:20>> Okay.

04:20>> Um

04:23Can you guys hear me okay?

04:24>> Yes, thank you.

04:27>> Uh

04:28Good evening, members of the City

04:29Council

04:31and the residents of Malden.

04:33My name is Ricky. I am the chair for the

04:37Climate Action and Sustainability

04:39Commission, CASC, and I've been a

04:42resident of Malden for the past 7 years.

04:45Engineer by trade. Very happy to be here

04:48today to talk to you guys about the

04:50Climate Action Plan and the progress

04:52reports

04:53on the on what we have done in the past

04:56year. And I'll hand it over to Becca for

04:58introductions.

05:00>> Becca Mick Feder, Sustainability and

05:01Grants Manager in OSPCD.

05:05>> And Amanda Tree,

05:06>> Vice Chair of the CASC.

05:12>> Um

05:13So, I wanted to maybe start off by

05:15talking a little bit about what the CASC

05:18is.

05:19So, like many of the other commissions

05:21in Malden, we are a residents-led

05:24volunteer commission. Our mission is to

05:28oversee the implementation of the

05:31Climate Action Plan that was completed

05:33in September of 2024.

05:37So, we're just about a year old now.

05:40And so, what you see here today is

05:42actually the culmination of the efforts

05:44from many of the city departments.

05:47And uh so I wanted to start off by

05:49acknowledging uh the hard work of of

05:52these departments uh including OSPCD,

05:55DPW, public facilities, inspectional

05:58services, engineering, tree warden, and

06:02uh who helped drive many of these

06:03efforts forward.

06:05I also wanted to acknowledge um the

06:07supports that we have received from the

06:09mayor as well as from many of the city

06:12councilors here. Um

06:14your supports uh in the presence at our

06:16task meetings as well as um

06:19partnerships in advancing many of our

06:21priorities.

06:23I also wanted to acknowledge the

06:24partnerships, the external partnerships

06:26that we have with uh Mystic River

06:29Watershed Association, Friends of the

06:31Malden River, Bike to Sea, uh MAPC, and

06:35UMass.

06:36And uh so yeah, jumping right in then,

06:39let's talk through some of the progress

06:41that we have made this year.

06:49>> I'm already here.

06:52All right, so we're going to start with

06:53some quick but very important wins. This

06:56is

06:57uh the five different buckets that we

07:00have focused the Malden Climate Action

07:02Plan on. So you see Champion Good

07:04Governance, and I'm just going to read

07:05really quickly some of the highlights

07:07here. Uh since 2016, the city of Malden

07:11has reduced our municipal energy by 30%.

07:15That is a heck of an accomplishment, so

07:17we're celebrating that. We have also

07:19added seven municipal electric vehicles

07:22as well as four municipal EV chargers,

07:25those charging stations. Um and since

07:28the publishing of the Climate Action

07:29Plan, which was summer

07:312024, um we have brought in 15.8 million

07:37to this community for climate and energy

07:39projects. That is the hard work of

07:42people in this room, people outside of

07:44this room. If you helped write one of

07:47those applications, if you brought in

07:48some of the grant funding, thank you.

07:50You have made this community better for

07:52that and exemplified how important that

07:55is to Malden.

07:57Um we also have achieving net zero in

07:59building energy.

08:01Um

08:03Sorry, I'm reading and it is very tiny.

08:06Um

08:07So, this is uh

08:09Kudos to the Malden residents. There

08:11were over 1,000 home energy assessments

08:14done in 2025 as well as 425

08:17weatherization projects. That is keeping

08:20people cool in the summer. It is keeping

08:22people warm in the winter and it is

08:24helping lower energy costs. Also near

08:26and dear to my heart, we have had 243

08:29installations of heat pumps. I love a

08:31good heat pump.

08:33Um

08:33So, once again, Malden residents really

08:36stepping up and uh yeah, great progress

08:38there just in 2025 alone.

08:41For

08:42accelerating sustainable transportation,

08:44this is another focus area of the

08:46climate action plan.

08:47Um we have room to do opportunity for

08:51more uh action here, but we did recently

08:55add seven shaded bus shelters for the

08:57comfort of people who are taking uh

09:00transportation around the city in a

09:01sustainable way. Also added uh blue bike

09:05stations, looking for more of those as

09:07well so people really are using

09:08sustainable transportation.

09:11Uh the next area of focus is enhancing

09:15enhancing community resilience.

09:17Uh the focus there is with

09:19communication, education, and any events

09:22that can bring our residents together.

09:25Uh we did as the CASK start a newsletter

09:27that is currently going out to 162

09:30subscribers. If you're not subscribed,

09:32please join us. Like and subscribe. Um

09:36The people you see here are often

09:38drafting those newsletters, so we'd love

09:40to get our voice out to more people in

09:42Malden.

09:43Um, we I'll actually lengthen this one a

09:47little bit. When we did the climate

09:48action plan, the input we got from

09:50Malden residents is they really wanted a

09:52farmers market. Um, it's in the plan. We

09:55need a farmers market. People were sick

09:57of driving out of town to get local

09:58produce.

09:59Um, we have a farmers market. We're

10:01calling out here that there were 13 of

10:03them in 2025. It's still going on in

10:062026, so you can go tomorrow.

10:08Um, so that's a great success and really

10:10met the needs of what people in Malden

10:12were asking for.

10:13Um, we also have some metrics that came

10:16out of the Green Malden Fair that we've

10:18been having every April. You see tons of

10:20textiles collected. We have been pushing

10:23composting, which is great for lowering

10:26carbon footprints for individuals and

10:27restoring our soil health.

10:30Um, and then finally, the fifth area of

10:32focus is mitigating heat and flooding

10:35impacts.

10:36Um, so we have planted a lot of trees,

10:39over a thousand. We have water bottle

10:41filling stations that'll help people

10:43stay cool and reduce those single use

10:45plastic water bottles. And we have the

10:48adopt a storm drain program, which we

10:51have seen a lot of Malden residents

10:52joining and participating in and that's

10:54keeping the flooding out of the streets.

10:57So,

10:59all in all, these are quick wins. We are

11:01about to go into more detail on each of

11:03these areas,

11:05um, but just wanted to call out that was

11:06a lot of work from the entire city,

11:08residents, city staff,

11:11great job. And with that, I'm going to

11:13pass it to Becca to talk about champion

11:15good governance.

11:16>> Thanks. Yeah, so another The last thing

11:18I'll just point out about this slide is

11:20these are really easy statistics for us

11:22to grab, and so every year we plan to

11:24update these numbers,

11:26um, so that we have points of

11:27comparison.

11:29Um, champion good governance. So, this

11:31is the first goal outlined in our

11:33climate action plan, and it's really

11:34about like the city setting a good

11:36example in terms of um, taking climate

11:39action, especially as it relates to

11:41decarbonizing our municipal buildings

11:43and fleets. And so, this is a lot of the

11:45work that Eric Rubin does in public

11:46facilities with um, green communities

11:49funding and uh,

11:50incentives and other grant funds. So,

11:54one project that we're highlighting here

11:55is, you know, he recently was able to

11:58um, add heat pumps to a municipal

12:00facility on Oliver Street. Um, but then

12:03we actually just he and I had been

12:05working on a grant, um, this green

12:07school works grant, and we got awarded

12:091.95 million um, to be able to put in

12:12heat pumps at Ferryway.

12:19>> Um,

12:20the next pillar is uh, achieving net

12:22zero in building energy. Uh, the focus

12:25here for this one is really around the

12:27residence um, buildings and energy

12:29consumptions here. Um, it's really two

12:32things that we want to highlight here.

12:34Uh,

12:35so earlier this year we have received

12:37the SolSmart Bronze designation. Uh, it

12:40is a nationally recognized uh, program

12:43that uh, basically helps cut through the

12:47red tape and make it easier, uh,

12:48streamlining the process for residents

12:51and commercials to do solar

12:52installations. Uh, so we'll be looking

12:55at next year to see how we can further

12:57advance uh, the designation there.

12:59>> And

13:02and also wanted to talk a little bit

13:03about the modern community community

13:06electricity.

13:07Uh,

13:08so huge effort there uh, for the past 2

13:10years. Um,

13:12and so, cumulative cumulatively we have

13:16reduced about 21 million pounds of CO2

13:19uh, between the 2 years that the program

13:21has been running. Um, and also saving

13:24the residents over 4 million dollars in

13:26terms of electricity costs compared to a

13:30national grid basic service. So, huge

13:33win there reducing the emissions and

13:36saving money for the residents.

13:41>> I'm going to jump back in and talk about

13:43the transportation goal outlined in the

13:46climate action plan. So, for for this

13:49goal we highlight a lot of the grant

13:50funding that the city has received in

13:52the last year for transportation

13:54projects specifically.

13:56We also call out the Northern Strand

13:58Master Plan

14:00which is a plan that OSPCD is finalizing

14:02right now and will kind of guide safety

14:05improvements and enhancements on the

14:07Northern Strand in the years to come. We

14:10again are shouting out Bluebikes

14:12expansion. We added a bunch of Bluebikes

14:14stations and we're still planning to add

14:17more.

14:18We've added a bunch of bus shelters in

14:20the city

14:22and we're working with the MBTA to

14:24improve bus networks.

14:29That's the

14:31I guess that was over two slides but

14:37>> All right, and for enhancing community

14:38resilience we had spoken about how it is

14:42to bring people together at events. It's

14:44for education and communication.

14:46We supported a youth climate summit that

14:49took place I believe in this room

14:52that Friends of the Malden River and

14:53Myra had sponsored the Cask fellow was

14:57the key speaker at that event.

15:00We currently are the recipients. We are

15:02one of three cities in Massachusetts

15:04that received a Bloomberg Youth Action

15:07Climate Action Fund award. We have

15:10$50,000 that they gave us that we're

15:12going to be distributing to

15:14Malden residents between the age of 15

15:17and 24 for projects that they have

15:19pitched to us. We are in progress

15:21deciding who is winning those awards.

15:24Very exciting. They're going to be doing

15:25all that work here in Malden. We got a

15:27whole variety of projects that we're

15:29really looking forward to.

15:30So coming soon, keep an ear out. We

15:33spoke about the farmers market and then

15:35also calling out that we partnered with

15:37Chelsea on a heat pump pizza party.

15:40I love our heat pumps and people got to

15:42learn about them, learn about incentives

15:44available for putting one in your home

15:46and you got to eat pizza. So wonderful

15:48win-win-win.

15:50Um

15:53We spoke about the newsletter and we

15:55also have the city website that we're

15:57updating with more information for

15:59residents.

16:00There's the Malden library of things

16:02which is a great resource for everybody

16:03who lives here in Malden. Adding new

16:05items to it all the time.

16:07And project spotlight here we're calling

16:09out the Green Malden Fair which will be

16:12coming again next April.

16:14Approximately around Earth Day.

16:18And finally

16:19the mitigating heat and flooding impacts

16:21here in Malden.

16:23A lot of projects underway. We had a

16:26working group for this specifically.

16:29So ways of keeping people cool when the

16:32urban heat island effect if you've ever

16:34like me walked a dog up Main Street in

16:36the summer, you know that is very very

16:38hot.

16:39So anywhere we can add drinking

16:40fountains, where we can add shading,

16:42where we can add tree canopy to

16:44just cover and prevent all that heat

16:47from uh

16:48having that impact on our residents.

16:51There's lots of great work going on over

16:52at Forestdale Cemetery which is now an

16:55arboretum officially.

16:57And Chris Rosa has been doing permeable

16:59pavement projects there as well. So uh

17:03lots of cool things that are underway

17:05and more to come for mitigating heat and

17:08flooding impacts. But finally

17:11the newest

17:13jewel in our crown

17:15the Malden River Works project which

17:17many of were at the grand opening 2

17:19weeks ago.

17:20Uh very exciting. What a great space and

17:23resource for all Malden residents. And

17:27yeah, I'm not going to repeat any of the

17:28speeches that were made at that event,

17:30but that is just a wonderful new thing

17:32that we have. So

17:34with that,

17:35uh it's more of the progress from Ricky.

17:38>> Yeah, so

17:40so yeah, amongst all the highlights, uh

17:42we have also done a lot of work in uh

17:45on all these areas. So each of those

17:48pillars we have uh many additional

17:49strategies that we'll be implementing

17:51through um

17:53the next few years. And uh we have a

17:55high-level progress reports on each of

17:57one of those pillars without um diving

18:00too much into the specifics. Uh so maybe

18:02for this year I'll just highlight a few

18:04of the ones that we have completed this

18:05year so far.

18:07Um

18:08first one is uh about the third row down

18:11on the achieving uh

18:13so smart destination. We we have

18:15completed that and we'll look to see how

18:17we can do more on it.

18:19And then um

18:21throughout the pillars. And then I also

18:23wanted to highlight um two additional

18:26ones. Uh we have also completed um

18:30our first pocket forest. So very

18:33exciting news there.

18:35Um and and obviously the last one here

18:37is the Malden River Works project that

18:40um Manager just talked about. Also very

18:42exciting.

18:43Um so yeah, this is

18:45uh I'll open up the floor to any

18:47questions, uh but exciting um progress

18:51so far.

18:53>> Wonderful. Thank you so much. That was

18:54an excellent presentation.

19:00>> [applause]

19:01>> Well, I already see a few lights on, no

19:02surprise. I'm going to start with

19:04Councilor McDonald.

19:05>> Uh thank you all so much for being here.

19:08And I just want to say as the council

19:10liaison who sees this committee work,

19:12you know, week in and out, month in and

19:15out. I This is just one of the hardest

19:16working committees in the city with such

19:19dedicated members who bring so many

19:21professional and personal skills to the

19:24table. And so, I'm I'm just really

19:26thrilled and I think this speaks to not

19:28only the work of the committee, but as

19:30you were saying, so many departments, so

19:32many leaders, many folks around this

19:34around the council table have been

19:35involved in these projects. And that

19:37ability to just catalyze and excitement,

19:40funding, enthusiasm, action, that's

19:43exactly what we want. So, I I I'm really

19:45glad to have you pull all that together

19:48and then provide that as a comprehensive

19:50update so the community can feel that

19:51momentum [snorts] building. So, just

19:53huge kudos. Um

19:55I want to just uh ask ask one thing and

20:00highlight one thing.

20:01Uh the thing I want to highlight that

20:02you didn't quite talk about is the

20:03project that we're still working on

20:05right now, which is to create uh clean

20:07energy coaches, which are residents who

20:10will help other residents navigate all

20:12of these complicated questions about

20:13what you can do with your house, um what

20:15you could do to get access to solar or

20:17renewable power, which can reduce your

20:19electricity bill with a specific focus

20:22on um helping folks who are renters or

20:25connecting with landlords cuz that's a

20:26huge portion of Malden and some real

20:29attention to um

20:31to language access so it's not only in

20:33English. This stuff is really hard to

20:34figure out if you are an educated, you

20:37know, English-speaking property owner

20:39with time on your hands and if you're

20:40not any of those things, it only gets

20:42harder. And so, um so this that's a

20:45program that um we're like if you know

20:48folks who are interested and might be

20:50interested in doing that to like get in

20:51touch with us about that. Um

20:54and I just wanted to ask you, can you

20:55could you tell the good people watching

20:57this how to sign up for the newsletter

20:59if they were so so interested?

21:02>> Yes. Go to cityofmalden.org/greenmalden

21:06and there's a sign up uh box on that

21:09page.

21:10>> Thank you and I will just note, you

21:11know, 2/3 of Malden's greenhouse gases

21:14come from buildings.

21:17And it's by far the biggest source. So,

21:18it's just really great to see the

21:20progress that's happened there in terms

21:22of getting the you know, I it's always

21:25possible to make sure you get an

21:26assessment from MassSave or HomeWorks

21:29and that we really want to keep those up

21:30because

21:32as this council knows since you passed a

21:34resolution on this, this is one of the

21:36best sources of funding to keep this

21:38money up and this momentum up from the

21:40state. So, we really want to keep that

21:41energy up as much as we can. Thank you

21:43so much.

21:44>> Thank you, Councillor McDonald.

21:45Councillor Winslow.

21:46>> Yeah, no, I really want to thank you all

21:48for this work. I know you just so many

21:50residents you know, we get involved

21:53overwhelmed by you know, discussion

21:55about climate change and sustainability.

21:57So, the great thing is this is showing

22:00that taking tangible steps both small

22:03and large are possible here in Malden

22:06and those accumulate. So, I think that's

22:07the great thing and the breadth of it.

22:09So, and I'm really excited to hear about

22:11the Bloomberg Grant and the youth. So,

22:14definitely

22:15let us know and we we'd love to have

22:17those youth come and talk to us when

22:19that opportunity comes in and of course

22:21make sure they connect as necessary with

22:23us as counselors to see how we can help

22:25out on stuff. Thank you.

22:26>> Great.

22:28>> Thank you, Councillor Winslow.

22:29Councillor Colon Hayes.

22:31>> Thank you so much. I just wanted to

22:32thank you for all your great work. I've

22:34seen you at so many events tabling,

22:37getting information out and honestly

22:39um

22:40doing great work of making sure the

22:42community knows what you're doing.

22:44Sometimes we set up committees and you

22:46know, we don't hear too much there's

22:47work going on but you don't see it front

22:49facing you know, to the community. So, I

22:51really appreciate that. Thank you very

22:52much for all your hard work.

22:55>> Thank you, Councillor Colon Hayes.

22:56Councillor Simonelli.

22:58>> Thank you, Madam President. I'm just

23:00echo my colleagues. That was a very

23:02presentation. It seems like you're doing

23:04a lot of work. The amount of money that

23:05you saved in the city, the gases that

23:07you're keeping down, the education that

23:09you're

23:10doing out there is um

23:12it's wonderful to see. So, just keep up

23:14the good work and we appreciate you

23:15guys. Thank you so much.

23:18>> Thank you, Councilor Seminelli. Um

23:20Councilor O'Malley.

23:22>> Yes, and great job. Um obviously these

23:24tangible benefits are are amazing and

23:27and it's also the fact that you guys are

23:28getting out there in the community and

23:30spreading this message. So, it's

23:31becoming more and more awareness, which

23:33I think is the biggest thing that you

23:34guys are really providing. So, thank you

23:36for that. Um I know on there you kind of

23:38showed um like trends, like what it was

23:41like before when it comes to trees. Do

23:43you have data of what like from before

23:46the cap for the other things like um

23:49home energy assessments or the the

23:51reduction in um energy efficiency. It'd

23:54be good to see the trends over time just

23:57so we know like where where we where are

23:59we where are we at now and year-to-year.

24:02It sounds like going forward you're

24:03going to track that. Um it would just be

24:04really great to get all that data before

24:07and then after.

24:08Maybe you have it.

24:09>> Yeah, that's something that we can

24:10definitely get.

24:11>> Cool. Thank you so much.

24:13>> Great. Thank you, Councilor O'Malley.

24:15Well, I would just say from the chair,

24:16this was like I said an excellent

24:18presentation and also we would really

24:19welcome you to come back if you have

24:21other updates, even interim, if you

24:23know, don't wait until it's another

24:24annual report or whatever your next

24:26expected update is. Um and also if

24:28there's things that the council can do

24:29to spread the word on incentives or

24:31programs that you have, please let us

24:33know. I think a lot of the things that

24:34you shared here are things that we get

24:35questions about, whether it's how to

24:37request or suggest a location for a

24:39Bluebikes station or wanting information

24:41on heat pumps, um decarbonization, or

24:45really all these programs are things

24:47that I think our constituents, speaking

24:48for myself, ask about a lot. So, um

24:51definitely make sure folks sign up for

24:52the newsletter. Thank you for sharing

24:53that URL and um please come back and

24:56keep us informed and let us know how we

24:58can just spread the word about what you

24:59have going on. It's great work. Thank

25:01you so much.

25:02>> Thank you. Thank you.

25:03>> [applause]

25:09>> Okay, next order business is public

25:12comment. Public comments allowed under

25:14council rules. Each speaker is limited

25:16to the subject matter relevant to this

25:18evening's agenda and speakers must keep

25:20their comments to 2 minutes or less.

25:22Clerk, do we have anybody signed up for

25:24public comment tonight?

25:25>> Um, we have one person in person and six

25:29emails. So, Katie Dillon

25:31would be first.

25:32>> Okay, come on up, Katie.

25:35And please introduce yourself. You can

25:37give your name and your street or your

25:39full address. It's up to you.

25:40>> Okay. Um, Katie Dillon, uh, 198 Mount

25:44Vernon.

25:45Um, so I'm I'm here tonight to support,

25:47um, to voice my support for updating our

25:49inclusionary zoning and I hope the city

25:51council will adopt this proposal this

25:53evening. Last time I was here, I heard

25:55some concerns about lower lowering the

25:57affordability percentage. And lowering

26:00the affordability percentage will allow

26:02us to actually build affordable and

26:04market-rate housing, which we sorely

26:06need in this community and in others.

26:08Um, it seems like we can revisit this

26:10part if needed at a later time if the

26:12market changes, but right now we're

26:14accomplishing nothing by keeping the

26:16affordability rate where it is.

26:18Homelessness and housing insecurity are

26:19both increasing, especially among our

26:21elderly population. One of the antidotes

26:24to this is creating more housing and

26:26this new change will allow us to do

26:28that. Thanks so much.

26:29>> Thank you.

26:30>> Thank you.

26:32>> Okay, and you said we have some emails

26:34as well?

26:34>> We do. Yes. So, the first one is from

26:37John Shea, 37 Pierce Street.

26:41Dear Malden City Council, I write to

26:42oppose papers 393-26 and 394-26,

26:48which would redirect funding from

26:49Roosevelt Park to Malden River Works.

26:52Lead was discovered at Roosevelt Park in

26:532019 forcing part of the field to be

26:56fenced off.

26:58Appreciable lead was also found

27:00throughout the field, yet years have

27:01passed and thousands of children and

27:03residents continue to use it for recess,

27:05sports, bird watching, walking and play.

27:09They have been failed by the mayor, the

27:10council, the school committee and those

27:12who have called themselves advocates for

27:14environmental justice.

27:16While aware that children were being

27:17exposed to lead in a historically

27:19redline neighborhood, the city and its

27:21partners committed to raising more than

27:24$13 million for waterfront property in

27:26an isolated commercial corridor instead.

27:29In response to tonight's proposal, I ask

27:32the following. Number one,

27:35that counselor at large Karen Colon

27:37Hayes recuse herself from the waterfront

27:39matters because of her role with Mystic

27:41River Watershed Association and concerns

27:44about her objectivity on this issue.

27:47Number two, halt further funding of

27:49Malden River Works until Roosevelt

27:51Park's lead problem is addressed.

27:53Exhaust every effort to recover funds

27:55already transferred from Roosevelt Park

27:58and ask River Works leadership to seek

28:00donor approval to redirect remaining

28:02funds towards Roosevelt Park

28:04remediation.

28:05Number three, provide the public with

28:07the complete accounting of River Works

28:08expenditures, funding sources,

28:10conditions and projected total cost and

28:12conduct a full audit of its long-term

28:14maintenance and financial obligations.

28:16Number four, conduct a public safety

28:18walk-through of the waterfront.

28:20Finally, the school committee and

28:21parents should not remain silent. Malden

28:24should not settle for anything less than

28:25full soil replacement 3 ft down across

28:28the entirety of Roosevelt Park. No

28:30amount of lead is safe and while that

28:32may not be practical, we can definitely

28:34do better. Sincerely, John Shea, 37

28:37Pierce Street.

28:45The next one is from Shawn Bonneau, 47

28:47Parkins Ave. I am submitting public

28:49comments on two agenda items for

28:50tonight's city council. They are split

28:52as below regarding paper 434-26.

28:55I urge the council to approve the

28:58proposed inclusionary zoning updates.

29:01We have been generating affordable units

29:03at far too slow a rate, and looking at

29:06our neighbor neighboring municipalities

29:08proves this isn't solely due to current

29:10market conditions. We can and should do

29:13do better.

29:14Regarding paper 433-26,

29:17please follow the committee's

29:18recommendations in updating the use

29:19regulations. In fact, we should go even

29:22further in streaming these. For

29:24instance, we should also allow

29:25restaurants in neighborhood business

29:27without requiring a special permit.

29:34The next one is from Marsha Manong.

29:41296 Bryant Street. Dear city councilors,

29:43as a member of MRW Steering Committee

29:46and a potential recipient of the

29:47repurposed Roosevelt Park funds, I want

29:49to share my perspective. While I

29:52appreciate that Malden River Works needs

29:53additional funding to complete the park,

29:55I do not support taking resources away

29:58from another community project if they

30:00are needed for them to finish their

30:01project. It was never Malden River Works

30:04intention to compete for funding against

30:06another community project. Instead,

30:09collaborating with other neighborhood

30:11projects and sharing lessons learned is

30:12a staple of this project. Malden River

30:15Works promotes centering community

30:16voices and ensuring that equity is an

30:19essential component of our processes and

30:21outcomes.

30:22Given the sensitivity around the

30:23Roosevelt Park project, a round table

30:25discussion inclusive of all stakeholders

30:28to find mutually beneficial solutions

30:31would have been a better path forward

30:33before submitting recommendations to the

30:35city council.

30:37While I appreciate the efforts of the

30:38Finance Committee and support from Mayor

30:40Christensen, when municipal processes

30:42eliminate community voices, we have lost

30:44the plot of what community and civic

30:46engagement is all about. Not allowing

30:48community members to speak at committee

30:50meetings where recommendations to the

30:52council are made is a clear example of

30:55silencing the voices of those most

30:56affected. I am not saying the Malden

30:58RiverWorks project doesn't need or want

31:00the repurposed funds. What I am saying

31:03is your process was not conducive to

31:05building trust between residents and

31:06local government.

31:08I am also aware, as with the Malden

31:10RiverWorks project, the longer it takes

31:12to complete, the higher the cost will

31:13be. The Malden RiverWorks project is not

31:15a competitor to the Roosevelt Park

31:17project, and we want to ensure that both

31:19our communities view this process of

31:21repurposing funding that's far is is

31:23fair.

31:24Thank you for this opportunity to

31:25express my concern. Masha Manong.

31:33Dear council members, the Friends of

31:34Roosevelt Park would like to address the

31:36two items on the council agenda

31:37concerning the transfer of funds from

31:39Roosevelt Park revitalization project to

31:41the Malden River project.

31:43Because the Roosevelt Park project is

31:45currently in the process of removing

31:47contaminated soil and is far from

31:49completion, we believe it is premature

31:52to transfer these funds.

31:54Given that cost overruns are common in

31:56construction projects, we are concerned

31:57about how such expenses would be covered

31:59if this budget is depleted.

32:01Additionally, we would like to formally

32:03request that funding be set aside to

32:05restore the park's former outdoor

32:07classroom.

32:08This space, which was fenced off in

32:102019, previously featured raised

32:13planting beds, fruit trees, and benches

32:15that served as a vital community asset

32:18for the children at the Salemwood

32:19School.

32:21It was also set to be named after a

32:22Salemwood student, Khalil, who had

32:25passed away. He loved the outdoor

32:27classroom and could often be found there

32:30hanging out with some friends.

32:32The Friends of Roosevelt Park have

32:34maintained consistent communication with

32:36the Office of strategic planning and

32:38community development, the mayor's

32:40office and the ward and at-large

32:41counselors regarding updates on the

32:43timeline for soil remediation, and to be

32:46notified when there would be new

32:48planning committee. While we are pleased

32:50that the contamination is being

32:51addressed, we have been informed that

32:53any future park redesign, including

32:56drainage repairs, will require a

32:58comprehensive planning process involving

33:00all stakeholders.

33:02We remain fully committed to

33:04participating in these discussions.

33:06However, we are concerned that without a

33:08dedicated budget for potential overruns

33:10of the current project and the

33:12restoration of the outdoor classroom,

33:14the long-term vision for the park's

33:16utility may be compromised. We

33:18appreciate your consideration of these

33:20priorities and look forward to your

33:21support. Sincerely, Friends of Roosevelt

33:24Park.

33:27Um this next one is from Mark Connors,

33:29480 Main Street.

33:31Honorable city council members, I

33:33appreciate the opportunity to comment on

33:35city council agenda items 335-26

33:39related to proposed changes to Malden's

33:41inclusionary zoning ordinance scheduled

33:43for consideration this evening.

33:45Although I feel the proposed changes do

33:47not go far enough, I support the

33:49amendments to the ordinance recommended

33:50by OSCD as they represent an improvement

33:53over the existing ordinance language and

33:56hopefully a starting point for continued

33:58enhancements.

34:00Today, Malden has a virtual ban on

34:02mixed-use and multi-family development.

34:04There is not a single mixed-use or

34:06residential project under construction

34:08in downtown Malden today.

34:10There has not been one constructed for

34:11years. By comparison, Melrose currently

34:14has seven transit-oriented mixed-use and

34:17multi-family developments under

34:18construction.

34:19Everett and Revere each have several

34:21hundred multi-family units currently

34:24under construction. The city of Chelsea

34:26recently enacted the West Chelsea

34:29Overlay District, which eliminates city

34:30parking requirements for all projects

34:32located within the exempts and I'm

34:35sorry, located within and exempts all

34:38development under 100 units from

34:40inclusionary zoning mandates.

34:43The city is marketing the proposed

34:44changes to developers and is currently

34:46considering eliminating parking

34:48requirements citywide.

34:51Chelsea is courting developers a site

34:54tour October 1st and meetings on

34:55dropping parking minimums and then he

34:57handed a link

34:58to a webpage. Although Malden's proposed

35:01changes do not go nearly as far as

35:02Chelsea's, they do represent a step in

35:04the right direction and I hope you will

35:05vote to approve them. Thank you, Mark

35:07Connors.

35:09And finally, we have Mark Nolan from 12

35:12Fairmont Street.

35:15Inclusionary zoning, please adopt the

35:17amendments and keep parking reductions.

35:19The city's consultant found that

35:21virtually no market rate development of

35:24eight or more units has moved forward in

35:26Malden since 2021.

35:28When you look at our neighbors like

35:29Everett, Medford, or even Melrose, that

35:31is wild. 15% of zero is zero.

35:35A 10% requirement at 60% AMI is a

35:38reasonable bar that more projects can

35:41clear.

35:42Parking is what I care about most.

35:44Minimums are floor, not a cap. Builders

35:47can still provide parking where

35:48residents want it, but a minimum forces

35:51every project to build it anyway.

35:53And that cost drives up rents, list

35:55prices, and prices of affordable units

35:57this ordinance is meant to create.

35:59On Malden's small sites, a parking

36:01requirement is often the dis- the

36:03difference between a project getting off

36:05the ground or one that stalls

36:07immediately.

36:09The city planner's memo sites about two

36:11vehicles per household. That describes

36:13our existing, mostly single and

36:16two-family housing, not new apartments

36:18near Malden Center or Grove or on bus

36:21routes.

36:22The same data shows roughly 2,300

36:24households with no car registered who

36:27pay for parking through their rent

36:28anyway.

36:30Nearby cities have eliminated parking

36:31minimums entirely, but still have

36:34projects that include parking where it

36:35makes sense. Please adopt the reduced

36:38minimums as written. I also support

36:40keeping the location incentive, which

36:42opens up most of the city to small

36:44affordable projects with full planning

36:46board review.

36:48Use regulations, please adopt. Requiring

36:51special permits for dental offices,

36:52restaurants, or convenience stores in

36:54business districts add cost and delay,

36:57and contributes to vacant storefronts.

36:59We must solve this. Thank you for your

37:01time. Mark Nolan, 12 Famon Street.

37:04And that is all of them.

37:05>> Okay, and those will each be attached to

37:07the relevant papers.

37:08>> That is correct.

37:09>> Okay, great. Thank you so much.

37:12Our next order of business is the

37:15consent agenda. This evening's consent

37:16agenda consists of meeting minutes to be

37:19approved and two papers to be referred

37:21to finance. Does any counselor have a

37:23desire to remove any of these items from

37:25the consent agenda for the purpose of

37:27further discussion?

37:30Okay, hearing none and seeing none, do I

37:31have a motion to approve the consent

37:33agenda?

37:33>> So moved.

37:34>> Okay, on Councilor McDonald's motion to

37:36approve the consent agenda seconded by

37:38Councilor Winslow, all in favor? Aye.

37:41Any opposed? Okay, seeing none, the

37:44agenda is approved. Next order of

37:45business.

37:46>> Council will hold public hearings on

37:48National Grid petitions to install new

37:50poles in underground conduits. We have

37:52two of them this evening. The first one

37:54is paper 429-26

37:56petition, Massachusetts Electric Company

37:59DBA National Grid plan number 31120327.

38:04Updated September 28th, 2026.

38:08National Grid to install one sole owned

38:10pole on Pearl Street, beginning at a

38:12point approximately 115 feet south of

38:15the center line of the intersection of

38:16Medford and Pearl Street. National Grid

38:19to install new sole pole

38:21sole owned pole 355-1

38:24for future riser pole.

38:27Also, National Grid to install

38:29underground facilities on Pearl Street

38:30beginning at a point approximately 20 ft

38:32north of the center line of the

38:34intersection of Medford and Pearl Street

38:36and continuing approximately 175 ft in a

38:39south direction. National Grid is

38:41petitioning to install two 5-in ducts

38:44from existing MH 605-1 south

38:47approximately 175 ft to a new riser pole

38:51on the east side of Pearl Street. Okay,

38:53thank you to the clerk. I'm going to put

38:54on the podium microphone. If you could

38:56both introduce yourselves and then give

38:59a brief overview of this petition, then

39:01I'll open the hearing and after that we

39:04can take questions from the council.

39:06I'll of course go to the ward councilor

39:07first, but you please introduce

39:09yourselves to get us started.

39:10>> everyone. My name is Zane.

39:12>> My name is Mazen Kamal.

39:14>> Welcome to you both. Thank you for being

39:15here.

39:16>> Thank you.

39:17Um

39:19So, just going a little into a little

39:20bit more detail about these two

39:22petitions. Uh one of them is for an

39:24overhead

39:26>> Oh, uh sorry, can you take them one at a

39:27time? We did only introduce the first

39:29one. Sorry, I should have prefaced that.

39:31So, we have just the This is This is

39:33This is just the Medford Street and

39:34Pearl Street one and then we're going to

39:35take up the other one after we

39:38First things first.

39:39So, we're talking right now about

39:40Medford and Pearl Street.

39:42>> So, we're talking about both of them.

39:43>> Are we talking about both the

39:43underground and the overhead or just the

39:45under Is it one of them or

39:46>> Both parts of the project, but only on

39:48that one first petition. Just Pearl

39:50Street.

39:51>> Okay.

39:52>> Okay.

39:54>> Um so, we're installing one pole on

39:58Pearl Street and that's going to be SO

40:00owned pole.

40:01Um the reason for this work is because

40:04we are reconductoring our cable going

40:07from the original

40:09pole 355, which is the original pole

40:12that rises down to the manhole.

40:14Um

40:16the reason we can't replace the cable

40:18there is because our conduit is too

40:19small. It's a 4-in. We need a 5-in for

40:21the cable.

40:22And we can't replace the existing

40:24conduit because MWRA won't give us the

40:27permit because we're getting too close

40:29to their

40:30um right away.

40:32Um so that's the reason we're installing

40:34pole across the street to run new

40:36conduit from that pole to the manhole.

40:40>> Okay. Do we have any clarifying

40:41questions before I open the hearing?

40:47Okay. Counselor Condon, do you want to

40:50speak before we open the hearing?

40:53Do you have any Just clarifying

40:55questions before we open the hearing. We

40:56can discuss after.

41:00>> Are you the gentleman that uh

41:03>> May I help you?

41:04>> redesigned the uh original

41:07>> I did not redesign it. This was not my

41:09design. Uh I did meet you on site though

41:12um back when I came first for the

41:13initial petition that was tabled.

41:17>> Just so the council knows

41:20uh

41:24the first drawing was like a zigzag.

41:28>> I remember.

41:28>> You know, it was uh

41:31So I worked with uh

41:34our city engineer.

41:35>> Mhm.

41:37>> And they uh

41:39decided to redraw

41:42this uh

41:44>> [snorts]

41:45>> conduit and telephone poles. It's just

41:48uh was going to be a mess down there.

41:51So I thank you for that.

41:54It's a much cleaner uh project now.

41:58>> Yeah, I remember they were putting more

42:00poles on the

42:03west side of the

42:03>> On the other side, right?

42:05>> And now we're instead only putting one

42:07pole on the other side.

42:07>> They were putting two poles in front of

42:09one the

42:11>> We were

42:12>> Which was a

42:13>> I don't remember if it was two or one,

42:14but we I know we were putting poles on,

42:16yeah.

42:16>> at uh 363 uh Pearl Street.

42:20>> Yep, that's correct.

42:21>> Which they uh straightened out.

42:23>> Yeah, they took them They took them out.

42:25>> And we've re-noticed this, right? This

42:26is a re-

42:27>> Yes.

42:27>> Okay.

42:28>> Yes.

42:28>> It was done from square one.

42:29>> Done Okay.

42:31Understood. Are you Are you all set with

42:33Councillor Cronin? Okay. That's a

42:34helpful clarification. Uh I'll go to

42:36Councillor O'Malley.

42:39>> Can you Can you I I have your plans up.

42:40Can Can you walk me through Where is the

42:43power coming from and where is it going?

42:45Which direction?

42:46>> Uh do you have the sketch up?

42:49>> I do. Do you want me on the overhead one

42:51or the underground one?

42:54>> Um

42:56Whichever. I think they're both the

42:58same.

42:59>> Okay.

42:59>> Yeah. Um So, if you see new pole

43:02354-50-1

43:05in the bottom.

43:06>> P355-1

43:09>> 354-50-1

43:15>> It's like the bottom section.

43:16>> It's right next to 392 Pearl Street.

43:18>> Uh I do not see that.

43:21I see P354.

43:25>> That's

43:26on the right of that on the right of it.

43:30>> You're sure it's not 355?

43:34>> Can I come look at

43:34>> Yeah, you can look at that.

43:39>> What was that?

43:40>> Oh, these That's the old ones.

43:42>> These are the old ones.

43:44>> Uh or I have old ones.

43:51>> Mine says 354.

43:52>> That's weird.

43:54>> Do we Is there an issue with the agenda?

43:56>> The I don't I We don't really know.

43:57>> That's the right date. I have the other

43:59one in the meeting.

44:01>> You have the other one?

44:02>> Um

44:03Hold on. I'm going to look when this was

44:04stamped.

44:06This was stamped in September.

44:09>> What's

44:13It does actually say August 11th.

44:15>> Yeah, what is it?

44:17>> The

44:21Hold on.

44:22I see a stamp for September 28

44:258th or maybe 30th.

44:26>> 26, right? It says pole 355-1.

44:30>> 355-1.

44:31>> Okay. Yeah, I just have the older date.

44:33I have the date from August. I have the

44:35right one over here as well.

44:38>> So just to clarify, are the plans that

44:40we have attached to our agenda the

44:41correct ones?

44:42>> It's the same as just a pole number was

44:44different. That's it.

44:45>> Okay, so

44:45>> Okay.

44:46>> So from 355-1,

44:48that's the power that's coming from that

44:49pole.

44:49>> power is coming from. It rises down or

44:52siphons underground and goes all the way

44:56to manhole 60605-1.

45:00And that's where it reconnects to the

45:01existing

45:03uh underground

45:05uh service.

45:06>> Great. And what's feeding 355-1?

45:09Cuz I don't see any I don't see anything

45:12showing overhead lines connecting to

45:13that pole. Is it coming from underground

45:15or

45:18>> The new pole? What's feeding the new

45:20pole?

45:21>> Yeah, where is the power coming from?

45:22>> coming from the

45:24pole across the street, which is pole

45:26355.

45:28>> Oh yeah, and the plans just don't show

45:29that overhead That's an overhead wire?

45:31>> That's overhead wire, which we don't

45:33need to petition for. We just need to

45:34petition anything we're installing on

45:36the ground.

45:37>> Oh, I see.

45:39>> Okay. So you're aware of that? Okay.

45:42Thank you.

45:44>> Okay. So seeing no other questions, I'm

45:46going to begin the hearing.

45:48So I'll declare the public hearing open.

45:50Anyone wishing to speak in favor of the

45:52petition, please come forward, state

45:54your name and address for the record.

45:58>> Sorry.

46:00Just going to speak.

46:01>> Are you speaking in favor?

46:03>> [laughter]

46:04>> Good evening. I'm not speaking for or

46:05against, but I do want to

46:08make a point that we received calls at

46:10the mayor's office

46:12from the Malden Islamic Center who had

46:14concerns about work being done near 405

46:17Pearl Street

46:19on Fridays when they have in their

46:20prayer service. So the mayor was able to

46:23speak to John Prudente and John Castro

46:28and they've agreed not to do work on

46:30Fridays. I think it's a 3-week project

46:32is my understanding and they've agreed

46:35not to work on Fridays at all. So I want

46:38to make sure if that can be a condition

46:40put on that that condition is met.

46:41>> Understood.

46:42>> Thank you.

46:44>> Okay, let me just make a note of that.

46:57Okay, anyone else wishing to speak in

46:59favor?

47:01Okay, hearing none and seeing none I'll

47:03Oh, I'm sorry Counselor Condon.

47:08>> Okay, thank you.

47:10The original drawing

47:12I was dead set against it.

47:15It was

47:16>> [snorts]

47:17>> ridiculous

47:18what they wanted us to do.

47:21But you know, I'm just happy you worked

47:24with our city engineer

47:27and he got them to redraw the

47:31It's a much better project now that I

47:33can support.

47:35So as a counselor I do support this.

47:41>> Okay.

47:42Thank you, Counselor Condon.

47:46Okay, seeing no one else wishing to

47:48speak in favor I'll declare that portion

47:50of the hearing closed.

47:52Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to

47:54the petition, please come forward and

47:56state your name and address for the

47:57record.

48:00Anyone wishing to speak in opposition?

48:05Okay, seeing and hearing none, I'll

48:06declare that portion of the hearing

48:08closed.

48:11Do I have a motion to grant?

48:14>> Motion to grant.

48:15>> So moved by Councillor Condon. Seconded

48:18by Councillor Simonelli.

48:20With the following conditions: one, that

48:22the engineer be called when Dig Safe is

48:24notified. Number two, that the streets

48:26and sidewalks be restored to the

48:28satisfaction of the director of public

48:29works. And number three, that there be

48:32no work on Fridays.

48:35All those in favor?

48:37I. Any opposed?

48:40Okay, that petition is granted. Next

48:43order of business, we have one more

48:44petition.

48:45>> We do.

48:48>> Paper 430-26

48:50petition, Massachusetts Electric Company

48:53DBA National Grid and Verizon New

48:55England Incorporated, plan number

48:5731348669.

49:00National Grid to relocate two joint

49:02owned poles on Lynn Street beginning at

49:04a point approximately 135 ft southwest

49:08of the center line of the intersection

49:10of Lynn Street and Olive Street and

49:13continuing approximately 9 ft in a

49:15southwest direction.

49:17National Grid to replace or relocate

49:19pole 2043

49:21about 9 ft southeast

49:24and National Grid to replace or relocate

49:26pole 2044 about 5 ft southwest.

49:34>> Okay.

49:38Please feel free to introduce this

49:40petition.

49:41>> Um so, this one is also well, this one

49:45is part of the MWRA project that's going

49:47on in the area. They're redoing

49:50underground work and our poles are too

49:52close to where they're doing the work.

49:54So, there's the option of doing a pole

49:56hold or relocating the pole.

49:59Unfortunately, with them being that

50:00close to our poles, we can't have a pole

50:02hold out there. Um so, we will have to

50:05relocate those two poles a little bit

50:07backwards, that way it's further away

50:09from where they're doing the work. Um

50:12So, pole

50:142043,

50:16that one is moving about a foot and a

50:17half to 2 ft into the grass area right

50:21beyond that sidewalk. I know Counselor

50:22Winslow

50:24Winslow brought it up that that's part

50:25of the MBTA

50:28um right away. Um I did look into it. Uh

50:33um my master plan yes does not state

50:35that's part of the MBTA. It does

50:38on my end it ends where the Revere line

50:40ends, which is right next to where the

50:44It's about where 55-51 Lynn Street ends.

50:47Um that other section does not show for

50:49me that it is part of the MBTA. Uh but

50:52either way, we are only going into about

50:542 ft right after that sidewalk, so it

50:57shouldn't be It should still be city

50:58right away.

51:01And then the other pole pole pole 2044

51:04is moving to the end of the sidewalk,

51:07uh about 9 ft back.

51:13>> Um I'm going to go to Counselor Sicat to

51:15speak on the petition, but I do want to

51:16hear from the clerk cuz I know we had

51:18some correspondence about the

51:19right-of-way.

51:20>> We did.

51:20>> Earlier today.

51:22>> So, I don't have any issue with um 2044,

51:27but I By looking at this plan, I didn't

51:32see a problem with it until Counselor

51:35Winslow brought it up. So, I would

51:37request maybe we we table 2043 until we

51:41can get some clarification as to who

51:44technically owns the land that the

51:47that the proposed location is going to.

51:51Okay.

51:55Did you want to speak to that or do you

51:57um

51:57>> So, my office spoke with the assessor.

52:01>> Okay.

52:02>> And he looked it up in GIS and came back

52:05and was very confident that this is not

52:07Malden property. It was just a matter of

52:10who owned the land and who owned the

52:12right-of-way. And so, um the assessor's

52:14office is in agreement that we don't

52:16have the authority

52:18>> to grant this

52:19>> to speak on this, to grant this

52:21petition. And so, um

52:23>> Well,

52:24>> far away from uh sidewalk does a city

52:26own? Cuz I know there's a certain maybe

52:29a foot or 2 ft after a sidewalk where

52:31the city still owns that property. So,

52:33like for example,

52:36people can't build right on the

52:37sidewalk, right? They have to be 2 ft

52:39away from the sidewalk cuz that's still

52:41technically city right-of-way.

52:44So, this still falls within a foot and a

52:45half to 2 ft

52:47where any other city would say that's

52:49still city owned property or city owned

52:51right-of-way.

52:52>> That's in the right-of-way.

52:54>> It's in the right-of-way. It's not on

52:55the sidewalk. It looks like it's being

52:57moved from the sidewalk

52:59>> 2 ft back

53:00>> side of the property line, which is in

53:01the right-of-way.

53:05>> Do we have to table the whole petition?

53:09>> Are you able to do one pole without

53:10doing both of them at the same time?

53:12They they they they're connected to each

53:14other.

53:14>> Either way, I'm the I'm the way I can't

53:16proceed with the work if even if you

53:18approve one pole, we can't.

53:21We still have to move the other pole.

53:26>> I don't think it makes sense to have a

53:27hearing if we don't have the particulars

53:29to

53:30get public feedback on.

53:33If we have the hearing, it doesn't

53:34>> the hearing for 204

53:385? Cuz what happens if 2043

53:41does not end up being as we won't have

53:44to resubmit everything. So I see you

53:46Counselor O'Malley. That that's what I

53:48would suggest if if if they're confident

53:51that 2043 is not on city property, he's

53:54not going to come back here before us to

53:56get that one approved. It's going to

53:58have to go to the MBTA if that is who it

54:01is.

54:02>> I'm wondering if it should be a joint

54:03public hearing between the MBTA and the

54:06city of Malden cuz it looks like

54:08one pole can't be done without the other

54:10and

54:11>> we can split the petition.

54:11>> That's what I'm saying. If they have to

54:12go

54:13>> them up.

54:14>> You can split them up?

54:15>> Not right now, but when I go back to the

54:17office I

54:17>> Okay. Okay.

54:18>> Can they do one pole without doing the

54:19other at the same

54:20>> That's my question.

54:21>> The work we can't do the work without

54:23other poles. But either either way

54:25>> of splitting the petition? You should

54:26either have it all approved or none of

54:28it approved.

54:28>> them in case that's not city right away.

54:31>> But you can't do it tonight is what

54:32you're saying. You can't split it

54:34tonight. It's Okay. Okay, I'm going to

54:36go to Counselor O'Malley cuz he's been

54:37waiting to ask something.

54:38>> point of information. Correctly. I

54:41I I you suggesting that we

54:45grant the remo- the relocation of that

54:49one that's on that we know for certain

54:51is on city and not the other? Or you

54:53can't do that?

54:55>> I don't think you could because we only

54:57sent in one

54:58>> I think he's saying wait on all of them.

54:59The way he was saying it it was a little

55:01I was a little uncertain as to what he

55:02was suggesting.

55:04Okay. Okay, Counselor O'Malley.

55:06>> Um I do have substantive questions, but

55:08from a point of order, I think that

55:10since this has already been noticed,

55:12there might be people in the audience

55:14who want to testify and maybe they came

55:17out to testify and so out of respect for

55:19them. I don't know if they're here or

55:20not. Um

55:21we could always have the hearing and

55:24table the hearing and not close the

55:25hearing and then when they come back in

55:28the future, we reopen the hearing and

55:31>> information.

55:32>> information and maybe they come back or

55:34others come come again. Um I think it's

55:36the best way to make sure

55:37>> fine to do that. That's a good point.

55:39Okay, I have one more light. Thank you,

55:40Councilor Malloy. Um, Councilor Winslow.

55:43>> Yeah, you know, my understanding, I

55:44mean, you guys probably deal with the

55:45MBTA a lot anyway, but the MBTA does

55:48have a process where you apply through

55:50their property division and, you know,

55:53get the

55:54licenses or or whatever. There is a

55:55process there. So, um, it's not it's not

55:58the hearing that we have here, but um,

56:00there is a process that they have. So,

56:02it's it's it's certainly they have

56:04they're one of the biggest property

56:05owners in Massachusetts. So, they have,

56:08you know, utilities are dealing with

56:09them all the time. So, but um, yeah, I

56:12guess it is the only other thing would

56:14be the, you know,

56:15yeah, if I, you know, really having the

56:17survey and and you know, getting out the

56:19property descriptions, I mean, I have

56:21the the valuation plans going back to

56:23the

56:24Boston and Maine, I mean, there's it is

56:26it's that, you know, it is the type of

56:28thing I I just kind of knowing that, um,

56:31you know, the right the rail right away

56:33might have been laid out even before the

56:34the street was or this street is a very

56:36old street. So, who knows, but, um,

56:38exactly, you know, what the survey would

56:40show where this is landing. So, I just

56:42raised that as a question of,

56:44you know, it it's it's uh, short of a

56:46survey and that type of thing and it uh,

56:48you know, it just was a question to me.

56:50It looked like from this plan

56:52it was showing it in the the right of

56:54way um, and the true owner of that is

56:56the MBTA. So, so that was really why I

56:59raised it. So,

57:00>> Yeah.

57:00>> I okay.

57:01>> dealt too much with that stuff. So,

57:04>> All right, thank you, Councilor Winslow.

57:05Um, Councilor McDonald.

57:08>> So, my my question would just be if we

57:12have substantive agreement on not having

57:15a problem with moving this pole, the one

57:18that looks like it could be in the right

57:19of way, we just don't know whether it's

57:21our authority to grant it or not, why

57:24don't we just go ahead and grant it and

57:26do that contingent on establishing that

57:29it was ours to do?

57:30>> Do you say the same thing?

57:33>> Great minds.

57:35>> Great minds. Then we just don't have to

57:36do all this again. And if it's I mean if

57:39we don't have agreement on that, then

57:40obviously we'll just not do that. But

57:41yeah, okay.

57:43Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. Okay, thank

57:45you. Councilor O'Malley for the second

57:47time.

57:47>> Um yeah, what is a pole hold?

57:51>> Um it's when someone goes out there and

57:53just holds the pole until the work is

57:54done.

57:57>> I'm sorry.

57:57>> Someone goes out there and

57:59>> That's a very strong person.

58:00>> Someone goes out there in a bucket

58:01truck, [laughter]

58:02holds the pole until the work is

58:04complete.

58:05So just makes sure the pole doesn't

58:06fall.

58:08>> With a machine?

58:09>> Yeah. With the with a bucket, yes.

58:10>> Okay. Okay.

58:12Um

58:13>> Like [laughter]

58:15Oh my god.

58:16With their bare hands.

58:18>> Okay, cool.

58:20Yeah, I I think I think it makes I mean

58:22it this sounds as a little com-

58:24complicated than more complicated than

58:26normal. And like obviously the MBTA has

58:29like the permanent title to this cuz

58:32it's their railway, but the city of

58:33Malden has a 99-year lease, which is

58:35maybe why you're having some

58:36discrepancies in your system. Um so I

58:39think it definitely makes sense that we

58:41find out what the MBTA thinks. And then

58:44we have to decide do we want a pole in

58:47the the northern strand. Um I think that

58:50the first step is is the people that own

58:52the property okay with it. And then are

58:54we at the people who lease the property

58:55okay with it. It seems a little bit cart

58:57before the horse.

58:59Um I and I think splitting the paper as

59:01I'm a fan of, um I don't know if it

59:03makes sense in this particular

59:04circumstance. Thank you.

59:07>> Okay, I'm going to go to Councilor

59:08Crowe. Thank you, Councilor Crowe.

59:10>> It just a quick question. Can we make it

59:11part of the condition that we get

59:12something that said the MBTA says it's

59:14okay with them?

59:15>> Yeah.

59:16>> This is a part you mean so they don't

59:17have to go through this, but then we

59:19know we're not

59:21saying yes and they're saying why they

59:22why did you say yes? They never came to

59:24us. We don't say yes.

59:27>> Yeah.

59:27>> I think we will withhold the permit

59:28until then.

59:30Got it. Yeah.

59:31Okay.

59:32Is everybody comfortable doing the

59:34hearing then and then proceeding as

59:36we've discussed? Okay, I do see one more

59:38light from Councillor Simonelli.

59:41You have the floor.

59:41>> Thank thank you. You know, I think we're

59:43kind of chewing this thing a little bit

59:44too much. Yeah, I think that whatever

59:46the ward counselor

59:48uh

59:49like to proceed on this is the way we

59:51should be going. I think it's probably a

59:52great idea to hear who owns the land

59:54over there. Is there going to be doing

59:56some more work as we talked about

59:58counselor in the future for that

1:00:01Broadway in the northern strand to see

1:00:02who owns what property. Anyway, it's

1:00:04probably a good practice anyway, but I

1:00:06I'll follow your lead John Abel and so

1:00:08thank you.

1:00:10>> Yep, I see you Councillor Winzel.

1:00:12Councillor Winzel for the second.

1:00:13>> Yeah, I mean I you know, I I didn't

1:00:15think actually the the 243 actually has

1:00:18much of a conflict with the bike trail

1:00:19there cuz there is a weird little

1:00:20triangle there, but I I did just want to

1:00:23say for 204 for the plans kind of show

1:00:25it in the middle of the sidewalk. So, I

1:00:27would definitely want to make I I don't

1:00:29know

1:00:30>> You know, 2044?

1:00:31>> Yeah, I just want to make sure that

1:00:33>> the way to the back of the sidewalk.

1:00:34>> So, we want to make sure that that ADA

1:00:36>> Yeah,

1:00:37I believe when I measured that I got

1:00:39about 4 and 1/2 ft or 5.

1:00:40>> Okay, so that was my question and so

1:00:42yeah, so that that's just it is a busy

1:00:43area and it is a you know, always a

1:00:45critical thing to be aware of. So, so

1:00:47that is being taken into consideration.

1:00:49I just want to make sure we did that.

1:00:51>> Okay, thank you Councillor Winzel. So,

1:00:52I'm going to go ahead and open the

1:00:53hearing. We'll do the hearing and then

1:00:56add the provision that we discussed if

1:00:59there's a motion to that effect. So, at

1:01:01this time I'll declare the public

1:01:02hearing open.

1:01:03Anyone wishing to speak in favor of this

1:01:05petition, please come forward, state

1:01:06your name and address for the record.

1:01:11Anyone looking to speak in favor?

1:01:13Okay, hearing and seeing none I'll

1:01:15declare that portion of the hearing

1:01:16closed.

1:01:17Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to

1:01:19this petition, please come forward.

1:01:24Yep, you can approach the podium. Thank

1:01:25you.

1:01:26>> Hello.

1:01:26>> Name and address for the record, please.

1:01:28>> Um uh 551 Lynn Street.

1:01:30>> Okay, and your name?

1:01:31>> Uh John Zaniewicz.

1:01:32>> Okay, thank you.

1:01:33>> Um and so I uh apologize for coming here

1:01:36with a somewhat self-serving interest

1:01:38being that these two poles are adjacent

1:01:40to our property. Um

1:01:43but I did want to ask a a few

1:01:45clarification questions, although in

1:01:47general I am opposed until these are

1:01:51answered.

1:01:52Um so um

1:01:54uh

1:01:55first of all, thinking about the

1:01:56triangle, um

1:01:58uh which is slightly beyond the edge of

1:02:00our fence our

1:02:01our property is a giant pizza slice and

1:02:04in the deed is actually a perfect

1:02:06triangle, which means that part of that

1:02:09triangle um area

1:02:11according to the deed actually extends

1:02:13beyond our fence to the point. Um so I'm

1:02:17interested in knowing whether there's

1:02:18any chance that that pole would end up

1:02:21uh

1:02:22possibly uh

1:02:24uh

1:02:24impeding on our property.

1:02:26Um secondly, there's a tree in that area

1:02:28that was planted by the DCA

1:02:30um about a year ago. Um

1:02:33we collaborated with them to to plant it

1:02:36there. Um and I want to make certain

1:02:39that uh that tree would not be harmed

1:02:42in this process.

1:02:44Um and then thirdly, I just wanted to

1:02:47ask about the

1:02:49um the general

1:02:51uh

1:02:52uh uh impacts on uh

1:02:55uh neighbors uh

1:02:56uh uh

1:02:58while this project is happening.

1:03:00Um that being noise, loss of electricity

1:03:04um etc. that uh could potentially affect

1:03:07us or our neighbors um on the street on

1:03:10Lynn Street.

1:03:12Thank you.

1:03:13>> Okay, thank you.

1:03:16Let me just keep the hearing open for 1

1:03:18more minute and then we can address

1:03:18questions, I think, after we close the

1:03:20hearing. Did anybody else want to speak

1:03:22in opposition?

1:03:24Okay, seeing and hearing that, I'll

1:03:26close the hearing.

1:03:28Now we can have discussion if you or if

1:03:31Counselor Segarra have any

1:03:33response to that.

1:03:34>> answer his questions, that would be

1:03:37wonderful.

1:03:38>> So, the question was about the

1:03:40noise noise to abutters.

1:03:42>> will be losing power.

1:03:44>> Okay. Noise.

1:03:46>> I can't speak for the MWRA cuz I know

1:03:47part of the work will be MWRA, but that

1:03:49would be after us.

1:03:50>> Okay.

1:03:51>> For our end, it's going to be relocating

1:03:53two poles, which

1:03:55typically a pole would take 4 hours.

1:03:58So, two poles would take 8 hours, one

1:04:00full day.

1:04:01Um

1:04:04>> Zane, can you let them know why you need

1:04:06to relocate these poles?

1:04:08>> So, MWRA, the water department, is doing

1:04:11work right next to that sidewalk. And it

1:04:14would be coming too close to our poles,

1:04:17which means our poles could

1:04:19fall in or fall over. Uh so, the reason

1:04:21we're relocating them, we're moving them

1:04:23back that way they're far enough where

1:04:25MWRA won't interfere with our poles.

1:04:28>> Okay. Thank you. Um so,

1:04:31just to make certain that his little

1:04:34pizza slice is also not a part of this,

1:04:36can you make that a

1:04:38like an added condition to Peg's

1:04:41condition that we just make certain that

1:04:44it's not 551's property or

1:04:48you know what I mean?

1:04:49What was the address again?

1:04:50>> It's 551, right? 551 Lynn Street.

1:04:54So, we're just going to make sure we

1:04:57know for certain who actually owns the

1:04:59little piece of grass where they're

1:05:01looking to switch the pole to.

1:05:03Cuz it sounds like there's a lot of

1:05:05uncertainty at this particular location.

1:05:07>> pole 2043.

1:05:08>> Say that again. Yeah.

1:05:10>> That's pretty far from where their

1:05:12property is.

1:05:13>> We're going to just make sure. He's

1:05:15concerned with it, so we want to make

1:05:17sure that we dot all our eyes and cross

1:05:19our tees just to be certain, okay?

1:05:22Um so, yeah. So, okay.

1:05:24However, you want to word that condition

1:05:26would be can

1:05:27>> We can place additional conditions that

1:05:29we make certain the property line for

1:05:30551 Lynn and the and the MBTA

1:05:33right-of-way.

1:05:35>> Okay.

1:05:36>> Okay.

1:05:36>> And then I'll make that motion to grant

1:05:38the petition.

1:05:40>> Okay.

1:05:41With those conditions.

1:05:42>> Do we have a second to that motion to

1:05:44grant the petition with those provisions

1:05:46with those conditions?

1:05:50Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't see your light. I

1:05:51apologize.

1:05:53>> Um the abutters mentioned that they

1:05:56recently had a tree planted on the

1:05:57property or it's on your property.

1:05:59Um what are your clearances for power

1:06:01lines?

1:06:03So, like when that when the tree grows

1:06:04taller, how far back would they need to

1:06:07trim the tree away from your power

1:06:08lines?

1:06:09>> As long as it's far enough from our

1:06:11power lines, uh we

1:06:12>> I think it's 10 ft. Is it 10 ft?

1:06:14>> It's not 10 ft. No, it's 10 ft for

1:06:15working clearance. That's when someone's

1:06:17working out there, they can't be within

1:06:1810 ft. That's OSHA.

1:06:20Um

1:06:21for power lines, trees, as long as

1:06:22they're trimmed enough, I believe it's 1

1:06:24ft away from our power lines, that's

1:06:26completely fine.

1:06:27>> Okay. Because that's that's the only

1:06:29thing I'm thinking of is you're moving

1:06:30it from the curb to back of

1:06:32>> at the So, the tree that's not right

1:06:34next to pole

1:06:362044, I did look at that tree and that's

1:06:38the reason why I'm placing the pole

1:06:40right up the up towards the fence.

1:06:43That's so we don't interfere with the

1:06:44tree, so we don't have to remove the

1:06:45tree.

1:06:46>> So, I think they're referring to a tree

1:06:48that's on their property, a new tree

1:06:50that was planted. That's what I heard.

1:06:52>> As long as the tree is not close to our

1:06:53power lines, then there's there's there

1:06:56should be no

1:06:56>> So, you you have to replace the tree if

1:06:58it damaged the tree. I think that's what

1:07:00we're

1:07:01>> Even if the tree comes within our power

1:07:03lines,

1:07:03>> Really quickly, I'm sorry. John, right?

1:07:06This is John.

1:07:07Um is the tree that you just recently

1:07:10plant planted near the

1:07:13one closest to the bike path, or is it

1:07:16the one more in front of your house net

1:07:18in between you and 555?

1:07:21>> It's closer to the bike path.

1:07:22>> It's closer to the bike path one.

1:07:24>> believe it's actually on our property.

1:07:26>> Uh the tree's not on your property. So,

1:07:30you would be responsible for trimming it

1:07:32anyway?

1:07:33>> Sorry?

1:07:34>> Would National Grid be responsible for

1:07:35trimming it anyway if it was to get too

1:07:37close to the power lines? Yeah, okay.

1:07:41>> Okay.

1:07:43Are you good with that, Counselor Melly?

1:07:45Okay, yeah.

1:07:48>> Okay, so I'm still looking for our

1:07:49second to the motion to grant.

1:07:51Seconded by Counselor Simonelli. So, we

1:07:53have a motion by Counselor Sica,

1:07:54seconded by Counselor Simonelli to grant

1:07:56with the following conditions:

1:07:58that the engineer be called when Dig

1:08:00Safe is notified, two that the streets

1:08:02and sidewalks be restored to the

1:08:03satisfaction of the director of public

1:08:05works,

1:08:06and three that we make certain that the

1:08:10um

1:08:11property lines for 551 Lynn Street and

1:08:14the MBTA right-of-way.

1:08:16Does that sound sufficient?

1:08:18And what?

1:08:19>> part about getting written confirmation

1:08:21from the

1:08:21>> With written confirmation.

1:08:23>> And that the other part of the sidewalk

1:08:25remains ADA compliant based on the

1:08:27position of the pole.

1:08:29>> I did not catch that part. I apologize.

1:08:31>> We want to make sure he said that you

1:08:33you said that you measured it and you do

1:08:34believe ADA compliance is there, but we

1:08:36want to make sure that the sidewalk is

1:08:38still

1:08:39>> And that we

1:08:40>> people in wheelchairs and things like

1:08:41that.

1:08:41>> For ADA, yes.

1:08:42>> The ADA compliance

1:08:43>> And that we maintain ADA compliance of

1:08:47>> 2044.

1:08:48>> For 2044.

1:08:50Do we need to specify a 4-ft 4.5-ft?

1:08:52What did you say as

1:08:53>> So, ADA is ADA I believe is 36 in, which

1:08:56is 3 ft, right? As long as we're

1:08:58>> Above 36 in.

1:09:02Okay.

1:09:03>> Okay, I won't leave Okay.

1:09:05>> Okay, great. So, we've added that

1:09:07additional

1:09:08and that we maintain ADA compliance for

1:09:10number 2044.

1:09:13All in favor? I. Any opposed?

1:09:17Councilor O'Malley opposed.

1:09:20That petition is granted.

1:09:22>> I just want to know also

1:09:24>> Yes, Councilor Winslow, let me put your

1:09:25light on 1 second.

1:09:26>> Um

1:09:27the MBTA might be very aware of this

1:09:29project cuz this is the MWRA project is

1:09:33going to be very disruptive to Lynn

1:09:34Street. So, they're already having to

1:09:36reroute their buses.

1:09:38>> Oh.

1:09:38>> Um Lynn Street between like Oliver and

1:09:43um Beach is going to be closed. So, it's

1:09:46going to be very disruptive to traffic

1:09:48in the neighborhood. So, just this is

1:09:50the least we have to worry about. Um the

1:09:53there's going to be uh there's I think

1:09:55already a traffic management plan coming

1:09:56back. So, when the MWRA actually starts

1:09:59digging, this is going to be very

1:10:00disruptive to a very sensitive area on

1:10:03the the east side of town. So, just you

1:10:05know, I I I think in the maybe my MBTA

1:10:08meeting with the um um you just to give

1:10:10a heads-up at some some point is

1:10:12something we got to make sure that we're

1:10:13done. But, while we're here talking

1:10:15about it, um this is

1:10:16this is the least disruptive thing

1:10:18that's going to happen out there. So,

1:10:20just let everybody know. Thanks, Brian.

1:10:22>> Thank you for that, Councilor Winslow.

1:10:24Thank you both for being here. We

1:10:25appreciate it.

1:10:26>> Thank you. Have a good night.

1:10:27>> Thank you.

1:10:28>> Okay, next order of business.

1:10:33>> Paper 431-26

1:10:35be it ordained by the Malden City

1:10:36Council that the Code of the City of

1:10:38Malden 2.24.010

1:10:41salary schedules, union employees, is

1:10:44hereby amended.

1:10:45>> [clears throat]

1:10:46>> Okay, Councilor Winslow for the paper.

1:10:48>> So, this is something the mayor's office

1:10:50has has approached me about.

1:10:53You essentially every time a

1:10:55collective bargaining agreement is

1:10:57passed, um, it comes to the council in a

1:11:00couple forms. You You see today even

1:11:01tonight we have some

1:11:03uh, proposals to switch funds from

1:11:06salary reserves to salaries and stuff

1:11:08like that. But then there's also this

1:11:10process of rules and ordinance where we

1:11:11change salary schedules. And, um, the

1:11:15thought is that, you know, we pretty

1:11:16much pro forma always approve those

1:11:18salary schedules. And and maybe there's

1:11:21a different, you know, more streamlined

1:11:23way to do this stuff. So, so this paper

1:11:26is really to really

1:11:28basically proposes to take salary

1:11:30schedules out of our our ordinances. So,

1:11:33I'm just making a uh, motion that we

1:11:35refer this to rules and ordinance. We

1:11:37can talk about that further. Um, but

1:11:39that's really the concept there and I

1:11:41mean one of the things I asked the mayor

1:11:42to do is really maybe put together um,

1:11:45specifically a proposal of of making

1:11:47sure that perhaps a communication comes

1:11:50to the council um, when a collective

1:11:53bargaining agreement is um, filed with

1:11:56the salary schedule in it but it doesn't

1:11:58have to go through a ordinance creation

1:12:00process. I I also discussed this briefly

1:12:03with counselor um, McDonald and we

1:12:05thought that was a good way. So, that's

1:12:08just to give you a sense what's going on

1:12:09but I'm just going to make a motion that

1:12:11we refer this to rules and ordinance so

1:12:13we if people want to discuss it a little

1:12:15bit further. So, thanks.

1:12:16>> Okay, thank you counselor Wenzel. We

1:12:18have a light from counselor McDonald.

1:12:19>> Yeah, I just want to echo as the chair

1:12:22of finance I do think this is worth

1:12:23consideration, right? We always do these

1:12:24joint rules and ordinance and finance

1:12:26hearings which are just complicated to

1:12:27schedule.

1:12:29These, you know, these ordinances don't

1:12:31have a lot of functional use because the

1:12:33thing that governs is the collective

1:12:36bargaining agreement, whether or not

1:12:38it's in our ordinance. The oversight

1:12:40that we have is not to negotiate with

1:12:42the unions, it's to appropriate the

1:12:43money. So, it wouldn't change the

1:12:45requirement that the administration come

1:12:48before the council to ask for money to

1:12:50pay for these CBAs. And if we wanted to

1:12:52reject the CBA, we would just reject the

1:12:55money to pay for it and that would force

1:12:57also I mean not force but that is the

1:12:59point at which we would expect to see

1:13:02the salary schedule. We just don't need

1:13:03to go through the complicated logistics

1:13:06of scheduling this pro forma piece when

1:13:09we already have a mechanism to review

1:13:12and offer our ascent. So I I am all for

1:13:15streamlining things so I think this is

1:13:16where they did consider. Um happy to

1:13:18second that uh referral to uh the rules

1:13:20and ordinance committee.

1:13:21>> Okay, great. Seeing no other lights for

1:13:23discussion on a motion by counselor

1:13:25Winslow seconded by counselor McDonald.

1:13:27All in favor to refer to ordinance.

1:13:29I. Any opposed?

1:13:31Okay, that paper is referred.

1:13:34Next order of business. Paper 432-26

1:13:37be ordained by the Malden City Council

1:13:38that the code of the city of Malden MCC

1:13:40title 12 zoning is hereby amended by

1:13:43adding a new section 12.28.150

1:13:46snow storage. Okay, counselor Winslow

1:13:49for the paper.

1:13:50>> Yeah, um you know, building inspector

1:13:52Nelson uh

1:13:54suggested this ordinance. Um you know,

1:13:56this past year we had some very big snow

1:13:59storms.

1:14:00Um a few you know, at least one property

1:14:02owner in Malden decided to make their

1:14:06land a snow farm. So suddenly we had

1:14:08huge piles of snow coming from all over

1:14:11um and the thought was that maybe we

1:14:14should just not allow that. So that was

1:14:16that's the purpose of the paper. So uh

1:14:18we don't have big piles of snow. Um you

1:14:21know, this doesn't affect you know, the

1:14:23requirement that people have snow

1:14:25storage on their own property. They can

1:14:27snow

1:14:28snow their own snow but it's kind of

1:14:30hauling in snow from elsewhere. Um and I

1:14:33did ask a question about how that might

1:14:35impact like how city the city handles

1:14:37snow but you know, we have places where

1:14:39we can snow

1:14:42uh

1:14:43store snow when in we have a big you

1:14:46know, snow emergency so it didn't seem

1:14:47to impact that, but it was just really

1:14:49the thought of people bringing in snow

1:14:52from wherever.

1:14:53So, that's to be discussed, so. But,

1:14:56that that's what the purpose of the

1:14:57paper is. Thanks.

1:14:58>> Okay, thank you, Councilor Winslow. I'm

1:14:59going to go first to Councilor O'Malley.

1:15:02>> Um I just want to say that um

1:15:05there's no love lost for this particular

1:15:06property owner. I feel like they are one

1:15:08of the worst neighbors in the city. Um

1:15:10they left this vacant lot for years and

1:15:13expect everything from the city and we

1:15:15have to bend over backwards for them. Um

1:15:17so, I'm not surprised that this is how

1:15:19they behave. Um that said, um if we do

1:15:22have a storm like we did last year, um I

1:15:25think there could be benefit to snow

1:15:27storage offsite uh within the city. So,

1:15:30I obviously don't want cities from other

1:15:32other cities shipping all their snow to

1:15:34Malden, but if we want to relocate snow

1:15:36within Malden, um to make it a little

1:15:38bit easier for us, there might be a use

1:15:40of that. Um so, maybe we look at an

1:15:42exemption for moving snow within the

1:15:44city. Um just a thought. Thank you.

1:15:46>> Okay, thank you, Councilor O'Malley. Um

1:15:48Councilor Seminelli.

1:15:50>> Uh so, thank you. I just have a point of

1:15:51information. So, you're telling me that

1:15:52this is particular

1:15:54uh

1:15:55lot owner was importing snow to put on

1:15:59his lot?

1:16:01Really?

1:16:03All right.

1:16:05All right.

1:16:06>> Gone are Gone are the days where we, you

1:16:09know, in the back in the days

1:16:10either up in Malden River or Boston

1:16:13Harbor, you know, DEP banned that. I

1:16:15mean, I know when it's before Assembly

1:16:17Square was built, Assembly Square area

1:16:19was being used for snow storage. So,

1:16:21there are, you know, issues during big

1:16:23storms about where, you know, you're

1:16:25clearing your property if you if it gets

1:16:27too much, so. So, you know, I I think,

1:16:29you know, the I my my motion would be to

1:16:32refer this to rules and ordinance, so we

1:16:33can, you know,

1:16:35you know, take maybe take into Councilor

1:16:37O'Malley's consideration, that type of

1:16:38thing. I thought, you know, do we have

1:16:40an exemption that police or fire

1:16:42department can make or public works or

1:16:44whatever, but um you know, so a little

1:16:46flexibility and um

1:16:48>> discuss in committee, I think.

1:16:49>> Well, I think typically

1:16:50>> We have a long agenda.

1:16:51>> Yeah, I usually [laughter] motion to

1:16:53take it all.

1:16:54>> Okay, on a motion by Counselor Winslow,

1:16:56seconded by Counselor Crowe to refer to

1:16:58rules and ordinance, all in favor? Aye.

1:17:01Any opposed?

1:17:02Okay, seeing none, that is referred.

1:17:05Next order of business.

1:17:09>> Paper 385-26,

1:17:11be it ordained by the Malden City

1:17:13Council that the code of the City of

1:17:14Malden title three, revenue and finance

1:17:17is hereby amended by adding 3.05 solid

1:17:19waste enterprise fund. This is an

1:17:21enrolled ordinance we are looking to

1:17:23ordain.

1:17:24>> Okay.

1:17:26Okay. Well, everybody wants to move this

1:17:28one along, I get it. I love it. All

1:17:30right, a motion by I heard Counselor

1:17:31McDonald, seconded by Counselor Crowe to

1:17:34ordain, all in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

1:17:38That is so ordained.

1:17:41>> Paper 388-26,

1:17:43be it ordained by the Malden City

1:17:44Council that the code of the City of

1:17:46Malden title three, revenue and finance

1:17:48is hereby amended by adding 3.10 reserve

1:17:51and stabilization fund framework, also a

1:17:53paper that has been enrolled looking to

1:17:55ordain.

1:17:55>> Okay,

1:17:57have one light from Counselor McDonald.

1:17:59>> Um just very quickly, the So, assuming

1:18:03this goes through, I just want everyone

1:18:05to know that we then would expect to

1:18:07hear from the administration about

1:18:09proposals to take cash once it's

1:18:12certified by the state to create the

1:18:14first balance in the in in this um

1:18:17stabilization fund framework. Um so, I'm

1:18:19very excited for that and also just

1:18:20wanted to be asked to be added as a

1:18:22co-sponsor. Um and then I'm happy to

1:18:24second Counselor Winslow's motion to um

1:18:27to ordain.

1:18:30>> Wonderful. Okay, on a motion by

1:18:32Counselor Winslow, seconded by Counselor

1:18:33McDonald,

1:18:35in favor of ordaining, all in favor?

1:18:37Aye. Any opposed?

1:18:39Okay, that is ordained. Next order of

1:18:41business.

1:18:42>> Paper 418-26,

1:18:44Committee Report.

1:18:45The Standing Committee on Finance, to

1:18:47whom was referred papers 391, 392, 393,

1:18:50and 394 series of 2026, having

1:18:53considered the same, make the following

1:18:55report. Committee recommends these

1:18:57papers out favorably to the full

1:18:58Council.

1:18:59>> Okay, on a motion by Councillor

1:19:01McDonald, seconded by Councillor Taylor,

1:19:03to receive the Committee Report. All in

1:19:04favor? Aye. Okay, the Committee Report

1:19:07is received.

1:19:08>> Paper 391-26,

1:19:10order that the sum of 200

1:19:13$266,174.60

1:19:16is appropriated from the TNC surcharge

1:19:19municipal distribution account to cover

1:19:21the following expenses as outlined in

1:19:23the paper.

1:19:24>> Councillor McDonald for the paper.

1:19:26>> So, this is the money that we get from

1:19:28the surcharge on ride shares, Ubers and

1:19:31Lyfts that pick up or drop off in

1:19:33Malden. This was a temporary thing that

1:19:35continues to be extended by the

1:19:36legislature, which is great because we

1:19:39use it to make really important street

1:19:40improvements. So, this year is actually

1:19:432 years of this money. It's about double

1:19:45what we get in a year, and it is being

1:19:49bundled with other funding from

1:19:51Community Development Block Grants and

1:19:53Chapter 90 to make a number of

1:19:55ADA accessibility improvements across

1:19:58the city. So, I'm just going to read the

1:20:00intersection where we're going to be

1:20:01updating wheelchair ramps, sidewalks,

1:20:03traffic signals, pedestrian signals, the

1:20:05push button, and the crosswalk markings,

1:20:09and other pieces to make sure those

1:20:10crosswalks and curbs are accessible.

1:20:13Cross Bryant and Willow Streets, Ferry

1:20:16and Belmont, Pleasant and Highland,

1:20:18Maplewood and Eastern, Medford and

1:20:20Commercial, Salem and Branch, Medford

1:20:23and Canal, Maple and Highland and

1:20:25Eastern and Broadway.

1:20:27Um so, we had unanimous support for this

1:20:30in Committee.

1:20:31>> Wonderful. So, we do need a roll call to

1:20:34adopt this order. Do I have a motion?

1:20:35>> to make the motion.

1:20:36>> Second.

1:20:37>> Okay, on a motion by Councilor McDonald,

1:20:39seconded by Councilor Seka, let's call

1:20:41the roll.

1:20:44>> Councilor Clone Hayes.

1:20:45>> Yes.

1:20:46>> Councilor Condon.

1:20:47>> Yes.

1:20:48>> Councilor Crowe.

1:20:48>> Yes.

1:20:49>> Councilor Luong.

1:20:50>> Yes.

1:20:50>> Councilor McDonald.

1:20:51>> Yes.

1:20:52>> Councilor Manley is not with us at the

1:20:53moment.

1:20:54Councilor Seka.

1:20:55>> Yes.

1:20:56>> Councilor Seminara.

1:20:57>> Yes.

1:20:57>> Councilor Taylor.

1:20:58>> Yes.

1:20:58>> Councilor Winslow.

1:20:59>> Yes.

1:20:59>> Councilor President Linehan. Yes.

1:21:01>> The order has been adopted 10 to zero.

1:21:04>> 10 to zero, the order is adopted. Okay,

1:21:07next order of business.

1:21:11Paper 392.

1:21:13Order that the sum of $400,000 is

1:21:16transferred from Human Resource Group

1:21:17Insurance Miscellaneous to the Malden

1:21:19Public School Department.

1:21:21>> I'm going to stick with Councilor

1:21:22McDonald.

1:21:23>> So, this is a proactive request for an

1:21:26appropriation from the mayor because

1:21:30we need to meet our net school spending

1:21:32requirements. Brief primer, the state

1:21:34gives us a minimum amount we have to

1:21:36spend on our schools. Malden, unlike

1:21:38many communities, is always right at the

1:21:40limit there, which means we plan to

1:21:42spend exactly how much we need to spend.

1:21:44Uh and it as inevitably things are open

1:21:47or in this case we changed our health

1:21:49care program. Um that saves money. We

1:21:52actually still have to spend that amount

1:21:54of money. So, we um in completing we

1:21:57have to provide a report about this

1:21:58every year to the state. Last year,

1:22:00folks may remember, we initially thought

1:22:02that was a worse situation than it was.

1:22:05Um

1:22:05the the city's um financial team has

1:22:08since instituted new protocols and

1:22:11reviewed this doubly with the schools uh

1:22:13department staff to ensure that this is

1:22:15what we anticipate still owing from last

1:22:18fiscal year. Um and so that's about

1:22:20$400,000. So, this is to account for

1:22:24just getting us up to that net school

1:22:25spending minimum.

1:22:27Um and we want to make sure that we have

1:22:29the purview to do that in a prompt way.

1:22:32So, this was unanimously supported in

1:22:34committee.

1:22:35>> Okay, thank you, Councillor McDonald.

1:22:37Seeing no lights for discussion, do I

1:22:38have a motion to adopt the order?

1:22:41>> So moved.

1:22:41>> Second.

1:22:42>> Okay, on a motion by Councillor Leong,

1:22:44seconded by Councillor Taylor, we do

1:22:46need a roll call.

1:22:54>> Councillor Clone Hayes.

1:22:55>> Yes.

1:22:55>> Councillor Condon.

1:22:56>> Yes.

1:22:56>> Councillor Crowe.

1:22:57>> Yes.

1:22:58>> Councillor Leong.

1:22:59>> Yes.

1:22:59>> Councillor McDonald.

1:23:00>> Yes.

1:23:01>> Councillor Malloy is not in the chamber.

1:23:02Councillor Secor.

1:23:03>> Yes.

1:23:04>> Councillor Simonelli.

1:23:05>> Yes.

1:23:05>> Councillor Taylor.

1:23:06>> Yes.

1:23:06>> Councillor Winslow.

1:23:07>> Yes.

1:23:08>> Council President Linehan.

1:23:09>> Yes.

1:23:09>> Councillor Malloy, yes.

1:23:11>> Thank you, sir. The paper has been

1:23:12adopted

1:23:14by 11 to 0.

1:23:15>> Okay, 11 to 0, that order is adopted.

1:23:18Next order of business.

1:23:19>> Paper 394-26,

1:23:21order

1:23:22that 938,174.50

1:23:26of the funds

1:23:28from the adopted appropriation order

1:23:29authorized by paper 140 series 2023

1:23:33relative to the Roosevelt Park

1:23:34Revitalization Project, of which are no

1:23:37longer needed to complete the project

1:23:39for which it was borrowed,

1:23:40be transferred to pay costs of the

1:23:42Malden River Works Project in accordance

1:23:44with the provisions of MGL chapter 44

1:23:47subsection 20.

1:23:50>> Um, Clerk, can I request you also read

1:23:51393-26?

1:23:54>> Certainly, I will.

1:23:55>> We can talk about them together.

1:23:57>> 394-26.

1:23:59>> Well, you just read 394.

1:24:01>> I'm sorry. I actually skipped over 393.

1:24:03Let me read both of them in the proper

1:24:05order.

1:24:06Um, that was 394. My apologies. Paper

1:24:08393-26,

1:24:10order that 1,292,045

1:24:14of the funds that remain available

1:24:16[clears throat] from the adopted

1:24:16appropriation order authorized by paper

1:24:19139 series of 2023

1:24:22relative to the Roosevelt Park

1:24:23Revitalization Project be repurposed to

1:24:26pay costs of the Malden River Works

1:24:28Project.

1:24:29>> Okay, Counselor McDonald.

1:24:30>> All right. So, let me just set this up a

1:24:32little bit because we had a we had a

1:24:34number of comments on this and I and I

1:24:36think those comments are really

1:24:37important to hear from the community. I

1:24:38also just want to kind of

1:24:39level set

1:24:41what we're actually approving and not

1:24:43approving in in the paper that's before

1:24:45us.

1:24:46So, there was a prior project around

1:24:50Roosevelt Park. That was the project

1:24:52that included, you know, a number of

1:24:55improvements around

1:24:57the field, transferring the field into a

1:24:59turf field, a number of other

1:25:01improvements around the lighting and and

1:25:03and other amenities

1:25:05in as part of the park and work on the

1:25:08drain. So, this was a comprehensive

1:25:09project. This is what we had

1:25:10appropriated money at multiple points.

1:25:12So, there was a 2019 vote, I think, and

1:25:14then we had to come back in 2023 and

1:25:16we're asked to approve additional funds

1:25:18for this project.

1:25:20That project was then canceled, pardon

1:25:23me. So, the project was then canceled. A

1:25:25new project was initiated that only

1:25:27focused on the remediation. That is the

1:25:28project that is authorized and in place.

1:25:31So, there's a lot of questions that

1:25:33we've gotten about, well,

1:25:35if we're repurposing money that had been

1:25:37appropriated, do we still need that

1:25:38money?

1:25:39I want [snorts] to just be clear that in

1:25:41the the

1:25:42authority that the council has is to

1:25:45appropriate money to spend on certain

1:25:46things. And when the when the intent of

1:25:50that when that project goes away, the

1:25:52authorization is is

1:25:54is expired. Like, there is no there's no

1:25:56project to fund. So, while there are

1:26:00still important questions from the

1:26:02neighborhood about what could happen or

1:26:04should happen with the park, there are

1:26:07there is no plan, meaning there's no

1:26:09staff assigned, there's no timeline,

1:26:12there's no, you know, quotes or

1:26:14estimates that we could appropriate

1:26:15money to fund in this project.

1:26:17Currently, beyond what's already been

1:26:19funded. That remediation has been

1:26:21entirely funded from the Section 108

1:26:23loan that had been

1:26:25borrowed from the original project and

1:26:27then transferred to the second project.

1:26:29So, we had these authorizations. 1/3 The

1:26:33first paper, which was 139-2023,

1:26:35was an expensive cash. The second one,

1:26:37140-2023,

1:26:39was authorization to bond.

1:26:41The bonding authorization in particular

1:26:44must be spent quickly. In fact, we have

1:26:47probably delayed it longer than we

1:26:48should. When we put the city's cred-

1:26:51credibility on the line to go out and

1:26:52borrow money, it has to be for a

1:26:54specific project. If we cancel the

1:26:56project, uh and then we don't spend the

1:26:58money and we just sit on it, that can

1:27:00impact our credit rating. So, it was

1:27:03important to find a substantially

1:27:04similar project, the most similar

1:27:06possible,

1:27:07um and our treasurer assured us that

1:27:09this is, you know, this is the right

1:27:10path forward for those particular funds.

1:27:13For the other, um

1:27:15I don't I don't want to be

1:27:17I don't want to be nitpicky about it,

1:27:18but I think that the council's authority

1:27:20is important in this regard.

1:27:22Th- We have money that was appropriated

1:27:24for a project that no longer exists.

1:27:26The mon- We have a project that we are

1:27:28all committed to that needs the money.

1:27:29So, we can transfer that authorization,

1:27:32but let but if we were to fail to adopt

1:27:34that, we would have to find another

1:27:35source of funding for Modern River

1:27:37Works, of course, to finish that

1:27:38project. But moreover, there is no

1:27:40authorization to spend that money. So,

1:27:43regardless of what we vote on tonight,

1:27:45it doesn't change the options there for

1:27:47the Roosevelt Park project right now

1:27:49because there that project is already

1:27:52funded and there's not an additional

1:27:54project. And so, that So, those are the

1:27:57choices that we have,

1:27:58um

1:27:59and I will speak to the to the paper at

1:28:02some point at probably in the discussion

1:28:03about my own personal views about this,

1:28:05but I just want to be clear, um that was

1:28:07the that was some of the conversation

1:28:09that we had in the committee.

1:28:10Um we ultimately did recommend this out

1:28:12favorably, um, but we were not, um, all

1:28:15of one, uh, accord of the counselors

1:28:17that were present. Um,

1:28:19and so, I think that the, while there

1:28:22was broad support for the, uh, Malden

1:28:24Riverworks project, of course, there

1:28:26were just questions about how to not

1:28:28leave the Roosevelt Park pieces hanging

1:28:29and what was happening there. So, I'm

1:28:30sure we'll talk about that. So, I just

1:28:32want to clarify, that's the authority

1:28:34that we have before us, is whether to

1:28:35use this expired, to take this these

1:28:37expired authorizations, repurpose them

1:28:39for the park that needs them, um, or

1:28:41not.

1:28:42Stop there. Thank you.

1:28:43>> Okay, thank you, Councilor McDonald. I'm

1:28:45going to go first to Councilor Taylor.

1:28:48Thank you, Council President. Um, so,

1:28:49thank you, Councilor McDonald, for

1:28:51explaining that so clearly. Um, we are

1:28:54currently in the process of remediating

1:28:57Roosevelt Park and restoring

1:29:00the garden / outdoor classroom. That is

1:29:03the project that's at hand. That project

1:29:05is funded, um, and so, soon, for the

1:29:08first time in 7 years, it'll be fully

1:29:10open.

1:29:11And we're looking forward to that, and

1:29:13that's been a lot of work, and that's

1:29:14underway.

1:29:15Once that is done, we can start to look

1:29:18at the overall project and see what

1:29:20needs to happen, if there is a project

1:29:23there, and putting that together. But,

1:29:24we know these things take more than just

1:29:27a couple of months.

1:29:28It's not going to be an overnight,

1:29:32you know, plan, and this money needs to

1:29:36be used now, or it could affect us going

1:29:38back for money when we do have a plan

1:29:40for Roosevelt. So, we would be really

1:29:42irresponsible to not shift this over now

1:29:45to set us up in a good space to be able

1:29:47to

1:29:48tackle a plan in the future

1:29:51for Roosevelt, which I am fully

1:29:52committed to and looking forward to

1:29:55working on, but I'd like to get through

1:29:57these steps first,

1:29:59and make sure that we're doing it in the

1:30:01right way.

1:30:03So, that, you know, I fully support this

1:30:05moving forward,

1:30:07and and going towards the Riverworks and

1:30:10hope that you will, too.

1:30:13>> Thank you, Councilor Taylor. Councilor

1:30:14Winslow.

1:30:16>> Yeah, um you know, I I sit on the

1:30:19Riverworks, you know, building

1:30:20committee. You know, literally the plans

1:30:23for the boat house in the salt shed are,

1:30:27you know, 99% done. They're being held

1:30:29up a little bit just to make sure that

1:30:31they we we there's a issue we're dealing

1:30:33with, but those should be ready to go

1:30:35out almost in the next week or two, you

1:30:38know, it'll be very quickly. I don't I

1:30:39don't maybe I oversaid that, but um

1:30:42they're they're they're on the cusp. So,

1:30:43basically there's these projects that

1:30:45are ready to go out to bid. Um and

1:30:49you know, you know, as Councilor Taylor

1:30:51explained, I mean, we already have stuff

1:30:53happening at Roosevelt to deal with the

1:30:55lead situation, but beyond that it's,

1:30:58you know, these processes can take years

1:31:00to get to the point to get to bid. So,

1:31:03by not moving forward with these, you

1:31:05know, changes and how this money is

1:31:07spent, it's going to it would hurt

1:31:09Riverworks cuz that would delay it and

1:31:10just dry up the cost there. And it would

1:31:13also negatively impact what happens at

1:31:16Roosevelt because whatever we had

1:31:19extra money we'd spend on Riverworks

1:31:20would make it harder to have money to

1:31:22spend. So, I this is you know, any delay

1:31:25of, you know, getting the Riverworks

1:31:27done is just going to be an impediment

1:31:29to actually moving ahead with Roosevelt.

1:31:31I think everybody in this council can

1:31:33agree, you know, Roosevelt is worthy of

1:31:35more investment and but it's going to

1:31:38take a strong community process to make

1:31:40that all happen and I have confidence in

1:31:43Councilor Taylor to take lead of that.

1:31:45So, so I am supportive of these things.

1:31:47It's just the the financially right

1:31:49thing to do and we will

1:31:52find more money when Roosevelt has a

1:31:54strong plan and we know what is going to

1:31:56happen and what it's going to cost, but

1:31:58right now we know

1:31:59exactly what we need to do for to

1:32:02complete RiverWorks a boat house and a

1:32:05salt shed at the DPW and those are on

1:32:08the cusp of being put out to bid and and

1:32:11under contract. So I'm supportive of

1:32:13this. Thank you.

1:32:14>> Thank you, Councilor Winslow. Councilor

1:32:15O'Malley.

1:32:17>> Um you know, I I think that there's a

1:32:20lot of

1:32:21and and this is this is not directed to

1:32:24to the council from Ward 5. I fully

1:32:25support the the

1:32:27need to come up with a plan and more

1:32:30community engagement. So this is not

1:32:32directed to you.

1:32:33But I do think that

1:32:35you know, at large we're doing a lot of

1:32:38like mental gymnastics of like does a

1:32:40plan exist? Does it not Does a plan not

1:32:42exist? And

1:32:44you know, if there was a way for a

1:32:46portion of these funds to be earmarked

1:32:50for the creation of the plan that

1:32:52Councilor Taylor is mentioning, I think

1:32:54that that could be a great way to have a

1:32:56win-win situation.

1:32:58I'm not going to shove money down

1:33:00anyone's throat,

1:33:01but it's just it's just something that I

1:33:03I want to put out there.

1:33:05But I think more more concerning

1:33:08which which has again nothing to do with

1:33:10Councilor Taylor. I think more

1:33:12concerning is the the way in which like

1:33:15over the years as community or groups

1:33:18and community members have tried to get

1:33:20involved,

1:33:22there has been I think a coord

1:33:24coordinated campaign on from a finance

1:33:26perspective to like not have any

1:33:28conversations about that. Um and I think

1:33:31that what Marsha Menong, the chair of

1:33:33the Malden RiverWorks

1:33:35committee, mentioned in in her public

1:33:37comments really highlight the what's

1:33:40going on. You know, we're we're here to

1:33:42try to elevate voices, elevate EJ

1:33:45communities, and to marginalize those

1:33:48speakers is just I think inappropriate.

1:33:50And so I think that we need to be

1:33:52bringing people in, not shutting people

1:33:54down. And marginalize marginalizing

1:33:57marginalized people in our community,

1:33:59regardless of who does it is is not

1:34:01acceptable. Thank you.

1:34:03>> Thank you, Councilor O'Malley. Uh,

1:34:05Councilor Colon-Hayes.

1:34:06>> Thank you so much. So, um,

1:34:10many of you know, I have major

1:34:11reservations um, that I made clear

1:34:13during the Finance Committee meeting um,

1:34:15when this was discussed. Uh, the

1:34:17families and children along with the

1:34:18neighbors of Roosevelt um, Park, you

1:34:20know, deserve a chance um, at a park

1:34:22that serves everyone.

1:34:24Um, they've consistently taken a

1:34:26backseat while other parks are updated.

1:34:29Um, so tonight we're being asked to

1:34:30reallocate uh, bond funds that were

1:34:32originally designated to Roosevelt Park,

1:34:35which has the project was canceled.

1:34:37We're all aware of that. Um, and we're

1:34:39being told that by holding on to this

1:34:42bond um, and not spending the money that

1:34:45it could hurt us financially in the

1:34:47future by getting bonds, which

1:34:49I understand. I get that. Um,

1:34:51I do understand it was a bad financial

1:34:53decision to let that money sit there

1:34:55unused. Um, and that's the main reason

1:34:57why tonight we're being asked to make

1:34:59this transfer now. Um, but the narrative

1:35:02that this is, you know,

1:35:05the narrative that this is the best way

1:35:07to move forward with these funds because

1:35:09the River Works has a plan um,

1:35:12is valid. They do have a plan. I sit on

1:35:14that, you know, full disclosure. I do

1:35:15sit on the steering committee. I'm also

1:35:17a member um, a board member of the uh,

1:35:20Mystic River Watershed Association. It's

1:35:22very important to me. Um,

1:35:24but

1:35:26I think I'm just going to have to give

1:35:28it one last shot tonight to try and do

1:35:30something for Roosevelt Park. It might

1:35:32fail, whatever, but I think I I'd like

1:35:35to propose that we take 200,000 of set

1:35:40it aside of what we're asking right now

1:35:43um, to be moved over to um, Roosevelt

1:35:45Park. I'm looking for just for like a

1:35:47compromise. So,

1:35:48if we could do that

1:35:50to develop a plan, cuz you're right. A

1:35:52plan is going to take a lot of work. We

1:35:54all know this, right? But, we're not

1:35:55starting from scratch. Um we had a plan

1:35:58for Roosevelt Park. A lot of those

1:36:00things we'd be able to use. Um there's

1:36:02components of the original plan like the

1:36:05um

1:36:06the engineering, the wa- like a lot of

1:36:09that stuff was looked at and even though

1:36:11tough, you know, turf and grass are

1:36:14apples and oranges, um both of them need

1:36:16drainage um and I think that a road map

1:36:20um was already being set by the original

1:36:21plan. So, to develop a comprehensive

1:36:24plan, um I believe this 200,000 would be

1:36:28money well spent um

1:36:31so that we're not in a position like we

1:36:33are in now where we're saying the only

1:36:36reason why we're moving it, well, I'm

1:36:37sure there's many other reasons, but the

1:36:38reason why we're moving that is because

1:36:41the Riverworks has a plan.

1:36:43So, I'm proposing just to say, so that

1:36:47we're not stuck like this in the future,

1:36:49if there's a way, and this I might have

1:36:50to ask someone, I'm not sure if there's

1:36:52a way, but if there was a way to set

1:36:54aside 200,000, I think on the top of

1:36:57what we're asking to move over, it's

1:36:58maybe a little of maybe 10% of that, it

1:37:00is

1:37:01>> [clears throat]

1:37:01>> in my mind a small amount. If we could

1:37:03do that so that it would help our ward

1:37:05councilor and anyone else who is

1:37:08developing a plan to um

1:37:11it would give you money as a seed, you

1:37:13know, to start that. So,

1:37:15that's just something that I I'd like to

1:37:16put out there. Um

1:37:19so I'll I'm not sure if it's time now to

1:37:21make a like I would actually like to

1:37:22make that motion that we have or should

1:37:24we hear if that's even possible?

1:37:26>> Okay. I don't know who to ask that from.

1:37:27>> I do have a couple other lights. I'm

1:37:28going to go to Councilor Taylor first to

1:37:30respond and then I'll go get to

1:37:31Councilor Leong.

1:37:32>> Okay.

1:37:33>> Thank you. So, I just want to make it

1:37:35very clear that voting to move this

1:37:37money is not a vote against Roosevelt.

1:37:39Nobody is against doing things at

1:37:42Roosevelt. We very much want to see that

1:37:44move forward. Voting to move this money

1:37:47means that we're not sitting on money so

1:37:49that when we are ready because starting

1:37:51to create a plan does not take $200,000

1:37:54of seed money. We don't need that to

1:37:57just make a plan.

1:37:59We need to sit down and assess what's

1:38:01going on first. We need to look at what

1:38:03the areas are that we really need to

1:38:05look at and we need to bring the

1:38:07community back together, which has been

1:38:08difficult because there was a lot of

1:38:10animosity around this and there is more

1:38:13than one group who is interested in

1:38:15Roosevelt and there are many different

1:38:16voices and many of them felt like they

1:38:19were shut out of the last conversation.

1:38:21So I have been trying very hard over the

1:38:23course of the last couple of years to go

1:38:25ahead and kind of bring everybody back

1:38:27to the table and I've made a lot of

1:38:30headway with that. We are working on

1:38:32something. The narrative that we are

1:38:35against it if we vote to move this money

1:38:37is 100%

1:38:39wrong and we cannot let that be what is

1:38:43out there cuz it is causing people to

1:38:45feel more upset about this.

1:38:48We want to move this forward. We intend

1:38:50to move this forward, but right now the

1:38:52plan in front of us

1:38:54is going to be

1:38:56the Riverworks plan.

1:38:58And when we're able and we have a plan

1:39:00to move forward to be able to get

1:39:01funding, we will be in a better place

1:39:04because we will have

1:39:06a better bond rating.

1:39:08And so that is how this needs to move

1:39:11forward and as the ward counselor, that

1:39:12is how I would like it to move forward.

1:39:14And it would be great to be able to have

1:39:16consensus. If we really want to work

1:39:18together, then let's work together. This

1:39:21is the plan and this is where we're

1:39:22going. So I would

1:39:24I you know, if Alex wants to speak about

1:39:26whether or not it's possible for what

1:39:28counselor Colleen Hayes is saying, I

1:39:31welcome him to say that, but just wanted

1:39:34to set the record clear that a vote to

1:39:36move this money is not against Roosevelt

1:39:39and that kind of terminology is

1:39:42distracting to the actual issues.

1:39:44>> Okay, I've got counselors who are

1:39:46looking to speak for the first time, so

1:39:48I'm going to go to them first and then

1:39:49come back around to folks who have are

1:39:51looking to speak for a second time.

1:39:53Counselor Lo Wang.

1:39:55>> Thank you. I just wanted to um let

1:39:57Counselor Taylor know that she has my

1:39:59full support in whatever she needs to

1:40:02push this into move this forward. I

1:40:04fully support moving the money over to

1:40:07um the Malden River Works

1:40:09and securing and protecting our bond

1:40:11rating, but more importantly, as

1:40:13Counselor at Large

1:40:15Counselor Taylor knows she can reach out

1:40:17should she need any help, but I have the

1:40:18full confidence in her ability to move

1:40:20this whole project forward. Thank you.

1:40:23>> Thank you, Counselor Lo Wang. Counselor

1:40:24Simonelli.

1:40:26>> Thank you, Madam President. Uh you know,

1:40:27I I got to agree with my colleague uh

1:40:30from Ward 5.

1:40:31You know, I I I want to kind of

1:40:33stay out of it a little bit um

1:40:35cuz I like to see the ward counselors

1:40:37handle uh their own affairs in their own

1:40:39neighborhoods. It's been an ongoing long

1:40:41thing uh that's been happening up here

1:40:43and seems to be like kind of loosening

1:40:45up a little bit and it just kind of

1:40:47just doesn't create good relationships

1:40:50when you do that. But that being said, I

1:40:52you know, I've had uh I've had a little

1:40:54experience of doing parks over

1:40:57uh in my neighborhood and I I I would

1:40:59say that I I I understand uh

1:41:03Counselor Hayes that uh you know, you

1:41:04you want like a commitment. I understand

1:41:07cuz there's been a lot of

1:41:08uh animosity I guess that's been going

1:41:10back and forth over there on who wants

1:41:12what and why and how and everything

1:41:13else.

1:41:14And um

1:41:15but I would have to advise caution at

1:41:18this point to like, you know, you Sa-

1:41:20$200,000 sounds like a lot of money, but

1:41:22not at the not, you know, at the scope

1:41:25of uh what they want to do over at

1:41:26Roosevelt. I mean, we spent $2.2 million

1:41:29alone at uh Kister. Uh so, it's not it's

1:41:32not a lot of money.

1:41:33Uh and I have all the confidence uh in

1:41:35the MRA or what are they called now

1:41:37again? OSPCD, yes,

1:41:39G X XYKJ. But anyway, the other guys.

1:41:43But I have all the confidence in the

1:41:44world in them. I mean, we've been

1:41:46working on many parks around the

1:41:47neighborhood, and we're, you know, Ward

1:41:505 and Ward 7, Roosevelt Lake right on

1:41:52the cusp of both of those neighborhoods

1:41:54right there.

1:41:55Uh, so I, you know, I have confidence

1:41:57that

1:41:58once they get a comprehensive approach,

1:42:00cuz here's the thing, if you got

1:42:01$200,000,

1:42:03you end up starting to do things

1:42:04piecemeal wise, and then things don't

1:42:05get done, cuz then you can't find the

1:42:07funding the following year. Some

1:42:09sprinklers turned on, some are still

1:42:11turned off, and I'd rather have a a

1:42:13comprehensive plan, and this is how much

1:42:16money the actual park's going to cost,

1:42:18and here are the funding mechanisms on

1:42:21how we can get to them. So, I think

1:42:23there's a lot of healing that needs to

1:42:24begin in in that neighborhood. Uh,

1:42:27and, you know, I think that, you know,

1:42:29going back to the drawing board at this

1:42:30point is not a bad thing, and I think

1:42:32that once you do, you know, um, get the

1:42:35neighborhoods in point, and come up with

1:42:37a comprehensive plan, like you guys did

1:42:40before I came back in office, Michelle

1:42:41LeLong, uh, with with Kierstead Park,

1:42:44and Steve, you guys all had meetings

1:42:47down there prior to me even coming into

1:42:48office.

1:42:49Uh, so, you know, those are the things I

1:42:51think needs to happen, uh, you know, in

1:42:54this area, and I think that, uh, you got

1:42:56to start letting the healing begin. So,

1:42:58uh, that would be my advice. That's

1:42:59where I would I would go with this. But,

1:43:01thank you, Madam President.

1:43:02>> Thank you, Councilor Simonelli. Okay,

1:43:04I'm going to go back to Councilor Clone

1:43:05Hayes for the second time.

1:43:06>> Great, thank you so much. This should be

1:43:07the last time. Um, it will be.

1:43:10But, so, just a couple of things. Um, if

1:43:13I in any way said anything about, um,

1:43:17being against Roosevelt Park or people,

1:43:19I I apologize. That was not what I meant

1:43:21at all. I think, um, but I stand by the

1:43:24people of, um,

1:43:25who live near the park, and, um,

1:43:28Roosevelt Park has been taken

1:43:30a backseat. Um, I stand by that, but the

1:43:34plan, so I just want to be clear and I

1:43:36will withdraw. I'm not going to make a

1:43:37motion. I absolutely defer to the ward

1:43:40counselor. I've been trying to meet with

1:43:41um, Council Taylor. I've I've emailed

1:43:43and reached out. Um,

1:43:46I the

1:43:47the funding I was asking for, I still

1:43:49would like to know though if this could

1:43:50be done,

1:43:52is a plan not to do anything. So, to

1:43:54Council Siminelli, right? When you make

1:43:55a bit like I worked in an architect's

1:43:57office for many years. I was the the

1:43:59manager, um,

1:44:00business manager there. So,

1:44:02200,000 could actually get you a nice

1:44:05like comprehensive

1:44:07plan not to

1:44:10to get a project done, but you hire an

1:44:12architect or you hire

1:44:14and they pull together based on

1:44:16community feedback, the ward counselor,

1:44:18um, you know, the residents, everybody,

1:44:20all the stakeholders, and you come up

1:44:23with a plan. That's what they did when

1:44:24they did it originally for Roosevelt

1:44:26Park. That's what the 200,000 for, not

1:44:28to like finish anything. Um, it's to

1:44:30help. I To be honest, I thought I was

1:44:34proposing something that was helpful.

1:44:36Um, let's take some money and and move

1:44:38forward with a plan. I would even step

1:44:40back. Don't even need to be a part of

1:44:41it. Um,

1:44:43but if that's not going to It seems like

1:44:44it's not going to go anywhere. Um,

1:44:46you know, I'm fine with that, but that

1:44:49comes from s-

1:44:50a way of trying to figure out how we

1:44:53could do right, you know, by both. Move

1:44:56forward with one plan while also moving

1:44:58forward with another. Um, so that's

1:45:01where that was coming from. Um,

1:45:03but

1:45:04if someone was

1:45:06Were we going to be able to get an um,

1:45:08an answer to see if that money

1:45:10>> Can I call

1:45:10>> Yeah, I was going to say I've got two

1:45:11more lights on, but I would like to at

1:45:13at that point invite our OSPCD director

1:45:16to come up.

1:45:16>> Okay, thank you so much.

1:45:21>> Okay. Um, sorry. Let me put the podium

1:45:23microphone on. Thank you so much. If you

1:45:25could just introduce yourself.

1:45:27>> Hi everybody, Alex Pratt, OSBCD, 26

1:45:30Holden Street.

1:45:31Um

1:45:33There are a number of challenges with

1:45:34trying to do these things ad hoc without

1:45:37coming up with a a large plan. I know

1:45:38we've talked about that. One thing I

1:45:40wanted to remind the council, um

1:45:42if our treasurer were here tonight, and

1:45:43I know we had extensive conversations

1:45:45about this with you all in the finance

1:45:47committee, he would also point out that

1:45:50this would continue to create arbitrage

1:45:52issues for the city. Um

1:45:55there's no There is no plan for where

1:45:57this money would go.

1:45:59Um we know we need to spend this money.

1:46:01It's been borrowed. We have IRS

1:46:04obligations uh that our treasurer has

1:46:06spoken about more uh so saying thing

1:46:07than I can.

1:46:09Um

1:46:09but you know, this money needs to go

1:46:12somewhere that's going to be spent soon.

1:46:14Otherwise, the IRS is going to come

1:46:15looking for it. Thanks.

1:46:17>> Well,

1:46:18yeah, sorry. Just to answer that, the

1:46:20money the whole

1:46:21>> Oh, sorry. The money

1:46:23Would 200,000

1:46:25>> We have We have borrowed

1:46:27>> some Yeah, that's bonded. It's bonded,

1:46:29so it's a whole thing.

1:46:30>> We have borrowed the money.

1:46:32We are collecting interest on the money.

1:46:34>> Yes.

1:46:35>> The IRS

1:46:36and I think Treasury are expecting us to

1:46:38have spent the money.

1:46:40We need to find that We need to move it

1:46:42to a place that it will be spent in

1:46:44short order.

1:46:45>> Yes.

1:46:45>> Before they come looking for it.

1:46:47>> Okay, I totally I I understand exactly

1:46:49what you're saying. I'm asking about a

1:46:50portion of it. Would we be able to do

1:46:51that? Let's say

1:46:53you're are spending that money. It's

1:46:54going to go to Roosevelt I mean, it's

1:46:56going to go to the Riverwalks project.

1:46:58Can we take out 200,000 of it? So,

1:47:01you're still spending the majority, and

1:47:02then put it towards a plan, so it

1:47:04actually to developing a plan, so you

1:47:07would have 200,000, and you could tell

1:47:09whoever, you know,

1:47:10the powers that be that yes, now it's

1:47:12actually going towards

1:47:13developing a plan. So, you're going to

1:47:15use that as well. That's the question I

1:47:17was just wondering.

1:47:19>> If we're trying to move money towards a

1:47:21plan that doesn't exist, I would be

1:47:23concerned about the speed at which we

1:47:24could spend that money in a way that is

1:47:25thoughtful and strategic.

1:47:27>> Okay. So, moving money not to a plan

1:47:29that doesn't exist, moving money to

1:47:32develop a plan. Develop a plan. So, like

1:47:35in the beginning of when you're working,

1:47:38you know how it rolls out, right? So,

1:47:40when the

1:47:41you're in an architect's and somebody

1:47:42says, "Oh, come on out. Check I have

1:47:44some ideas, right?" You send out a team.

1:47:47That money is being spent to develop the

1:47:49plan.

1:47:51So,

1:47:52um

1:47:53The So, my question is and it could be

1:47:55no, just tell me no, right? Can 200,000

1:47:57of it for a guy? The rest is being moved

1:48:00out, right? To the Riverworks project.

1:48:01That's being used, so everybody's happy,

1:48:03right? That money's being used. 200,000

1:48:05of it we can say to the whoever it is

1:48:07that you need to talk to in the finance,

1:48:09you know, um

1:48:10We're going to take this $200,000. It

1:48:12will be used. We're going to spend it to

1:48:14pay architects or pay, you know, um No,

1:48:18I'm going to say an architect to develop

1:48:20a plan. So, the money's going to be used

1:48:21in my mind, but if that's if I'm wrong,

1:48:24let me know.

1:48:25>> I would want the treasurer to weigh in

1:48:27on

1:48:27>> We actually just invited him to come

1:48:28down cuz I want to make sure we're

1:48:30getting that.

1:48:31>> But, I

1:48:32I think

1:48:33setting aside those issues,

1:48:35>> Yeah.

1:48:36>> we are

1:48:38we are working right now on the

1:48:39remediation project. When that project

1:48:41is complete, we intend to working with

1:48:43Council Taylor and the Ward 5 community,

1:48:46>> Right.

1:48:47>> figure out what a a bigger picture goal

1:48:49for this project is.

1:48:51Um

1:48:52>> The plan. That's what I'm saying to set

1:48:54aside 200 to help with exactly what you

1:48:56just said. It's all I'm asking if that

1:48:58can be done.

1:48:59>> and I don't think that it is

1:49:02timely for us to

1:49:04take these funds that we know we need

1:49:07for the Riverworks today

1:49:08>> Mhm.

1:49:09>> and move it to something that we will

1:49:12work on in the future when we know that

1:49:13we both need to spend the money today.

1:49:15>> Okay.

1:49:17All right.

1:49:17>> And we have the the need for it today.

1:49:19>> Thank you.

1:49:20So, I'm going to ask our treasurer to

1:49:22come up to the podium. Dan, if you don't

1:49:24mind, could you come I'm sorry to put

1:49:25you on the spot right after you came in

1:49:26the room.

1:49:27>> What are you doing here, Dan?

1:49:29>> Yeah.

1:49:30>> [laughter]

1:49:30>> I'm actually horrified that you were

1:49:32still here.

1:49:32>> Yeah, wow.

1:49:33>> you.

1:49:34>> Sorry, I was doing other things.

1:49:36>> You mustn't be surprised that you're

1:49:37still working at 9:00.

1:49:39>> All right, I just had some questions on

1:49:41reallocating funds related to the bond.

1:49:43>> Yes.

1:49:43>> Uh

1:49:44>> Do you want me to repeat that question

1:49:45or did you hear it when you

1:49:47>> You're asking if you can borrow about

1:49:49$200,000

1:49:51from a pre-existing bond.

1:49:52>> Yes, thank you.

1:49:54>> Which we have a paper

1:49:56to

1:49:58reappropriate to the Mulberry River

1:49:59project.

1:50:00>> Yes.

1:50:00>> Which is an existing project.

1:50:02Uh

1:50:03So, you can't amend this paper on the

1:50:05floor, and you cannot reallocate

1:50:08$200,000 to a non-existent project.

1:50:11>> Okay.

1:50:11>> If you come up with a plan that is in

1:50:14light um

1:50:17like similar to what was originally

1:50:18intended, then you could

1:50:21find a way to allocate those funds. But,

1:50:23if you do not have a plan to spend the

1:50:24money like within the next 3 to 4

1:50:26months, then that is going to also be

1:50:28problematic. So,

1:50:29>> Okay.

1:50:29>> I would strongly suggest that if you

1:50:32want to fund Roosevelt,

1:50:33>> Mhm.

1:50:34>> uh you find another way to do so in the

1:50:37future when you actually have

1:50:39some sort of actual items.

1:50:41>> Okay. So, I'm going to clarify cuz thank

1:50:43you. Actually, that just something just

1:50:44clicked. So, what it would be is if I

1:50:47like

1:50:49I'm sorry, did you just curse at me?

1:50:52That's so rude.

1:50:54I could hear you.

1:50:55>> Okay, let's just focus on our our guest

1:50:57answering questions. Wow.

1:51:00>> It's a Jesus Christ.

1:51:01>> Okay, I'm okay.

1:51:02>> Thank you. We're on camera.

1:51:04>> I know we are, trust me. So, anyway, I'm

1:51:07going to rephrase. Um

1:51:09the

1:51:11the $200,000

1:51:13you're saying is um you need a plan. And

1:51:16so I'm going to ask another question I

1:51:18think is going to clarify it for me.

1:51:20Having it being allocated to a plan

1:51:23development is not enough. You actually

1:51:26need a plan. So like not like um

1:51:30sometimes you can like put money towards

1:51:32um

1:51:33a

1:51:34developing a plan. You can hire an

1:51:36architect to develop a plan. But it

1:51:37sounds like what you're saying is that

1:51:39$200,000 wouldn't be able to be used

1:51:41unless there was an actual plan already

1:51:43developed, not a developing of a plan.

1:51:46>> Right. So right now you're speaking

1:51:47about something that's hypothetically.

1:51:48You don't have anything related to

1:51:50Roosevelt outside of the work that Alex

1:51:52has already articulated, which is being

1:51:55funded and we have funding slots for

1:51:56that. So talking about $200,000

1:51:59allocating it something hypothetical,

1:52:01there's nothing to allocate that to. So

1:52:04you wouldn't be able to amend the paper.

1:52:05>> Okay. Thank you. Yep. That No, that

1:52:07answers my question. Thank you very

1:52:09much.

1:52:09>> Can I um jump in with a to for the

1:52:12benefit of folks watching? I think one

1:52:14of the things that's um helpful to

1:52:16understand is that one of the reasons we

1:52:17can't just park money as a public entity

1:52:19is because

1:52:20as Alex so helpfully explained, the IRS

1:52:23does not love it when you just

1:52:24experience interest and just sit on

1:52:26money that you borrowed, right? Is that

1:52:28an Is that a fair

1:52:29>> That is correct.

1:52:29>> Okay. So

1:52:31in that scenario

1:52:33to move money, you also need to be able

1:52:35to charge it against something. So we

1:52:37can't just move it somewhere else and

1:52:39have it sit somewhere. And I'll So I

1:52:42think that's a helpful way of reframing

1:52:44it because while we might like to say

1:52:47like let's say we had

1:52:48consensus around taking some of this

1:52:50money and putting it somewhere else, it

1:52:52essentially needs to be able to

1:52:54immediately

1:52:55charge to a project or the money doesn't

1:52:57exist. Or and it's just going to sit

1:52:59somewhere else and collect the interest

1:53:00that we're already getting quote unquote

1:53:02in trouble for.

1:53:04>> Correct. That's exactly correct.

1:53:05>> Okay. That makes so much I really

1:53:07appreciate that and thank you. Questions

1:53:10are okay.

1:53:11>> Yeah, and I think that's a

1:53:11misconception. I think it doesn't if you

1:53:14aren't thinking about the restrictions

1:53:15on public funds, it wouldn't necessarily

1:53:17be apparent to folks watching who might

1:53:20think just move the money and then wait

1:53:22and go get a project going.

1:53:24We're just creating a different problem

1:53:26in a different bank account and it's not

1:53:27solving what we're actually trying to do

1:53:29tonight, which is

1:53:30charge this money because it actually

1:53:32can't keep sitting.

1:53:33>> Correct.

1:53:34>> Okay.

1:53:35>> Thank you.

1:53:36>> Um I

1:53:37>> Sorry it took me so long to get down

1:53:38here.

1:53:38>> No, that was fantastic. We appreciate

1:53:40you.

1:53:41>> from home?

1:53:42>> Okay. I am going to move on. We have two

1:53:43more lights on and then I would love to

1:53:46move the question. Um I'm going to go to

1:53:49Councillor O'Malley and then Councillor

1:53:50McDonald.

1:53:52>> I just want to start by thanking

1:53:53Councillor Linehan. Um I appreciate the

1:53:56fact that you allowed Councillor

1:53:57Colon-Hayes to fully vet

1:54:00>> Certainly.

1:54:00>> her idea. Um and I appreciate, you know,

1:54:02we it's sometimes difficult listening to

1:54:05dissenting voices, but part of this

1:54:07whole thing is allowing ideas to get out

1:54:09there and sometimes we have to separate

1:54:13the idea from the person um because

1:54:15sometimes people we don't like have good

1:54:17ideas. Um and I also agree with

1:54:19Councillor um Taylor that, you know,

1:54:21moving the funds is not against

1:54:23Roosevelt. Um but I also think that, you

1:54:26know, wanting to, you know, preserve

1:54:28some of the funds so that a community

1:54:30plan can be dra- can be created is also

1:54:33not against um you. I don't want it to

1:54:36be to be viewed that way. Um so I think

1:54:38there's a use for the $200,000 that can

1:54:40be used by Councillor Taylor and the

1:54:42administration and whoever else is part

1:54:43of that plan

1:54:45um

1:54:45so that you can do the design, you can

1:54:48do the community engagement. Um so I was

1:54:50going to second your motion. It sounds

1:54:51like you you withdrew it. Um so I just

1:54:53wanted to put it out there. So thanks

1:54:55for having this conversation. I think it

1:54:56was beneficial.

1:54:57>> Thank you, Councillor O'Malley.

1:54:59Councillor McDonald.

1:55:00>> Yeah, I I appreciate this time to

1:55:02clarify the bonding issues. There are

1:55:04two papers and the other one is not a

1:55:06bond.

1:55:07And I want to just be I want to be make

1:55:09it clear. We do use money to pay for

1:55:12planning processes, but those are also

1:55:14bid out and have and have price tags and

1:55:17and estimates attached. I and I

1:55:20certainly

1:55:21just could not feel comfortable

1:55:23appropriating money without a price

1:55:25estimate and I and I don't think it

1:55:27would be responsible for us to do so.

1:55:29And I actually don't know that legally

1:55:30we have the ability as the council to

1:55:33propose spending. We can only approve

1:55:35spending that the mayor proposes or

1:55:37request the mayor make an expense. So I

1:55:40actually don't think that legally even

1:55:41if you wanted to continue your motion

1:55:43counselor, that we would have the

1:55:44authority to carve out money of an

1:55:46appropriation for a different purpose.

1:55:48We could reduce the appropriation.

1:55:51But as we just heard of course public

1:55:52works needs the money. So I just wanted

1:55:54to say like procedurally I think that is

1:55:56true. I would love to make sure that we

1:55:58do get a final accounting of how much of

1:56:00these funds do get utilized in the you

1:56:03know, once the bids are settled and the

1:56:05project is done.

1:56:06I think if that has leftover money that

1:56:08will be the first place we go for

1:56:10planning costs for the next stage of you

1:56:12know, whatever comes at Roosevelt. I'm

1:56:13sure that's true.

1:56:15I

1:56:16you know, I

1:56:18I I appreciate that most of this

1:56:20conversation has been you know,

1:56:21relatively civil. I know that this isn't

1:56:23this is a this is a fraud issue in our

1:56:25community.

1:56:26And I am someone who has who I I I live

1:56:31closer to this park I think than anyone

1:56:34else. I am you know, one of the I I

1:56:39can't believe I even have to do this,

1:56:41but I'm one of the few people of color

1:56:42that are elected in this city. I am

1:56:45myself from and a a

1:56:49a neighborhood that is impacted in this

1:56:51way and the

1:56:53the conflation of these different things

1:56:56has I think led some to

1:56:58be confused about this whether a vote is

1:57:00for or against Roosevelt Park. I always

1:57:03supported a grass plan for the park. I

1:57:05always wanted to make sure that those

1:57:07principles were centered. I I don't

1:57:09appreciate or think it's really

1:57:11collegial to have that challenge at this

1:57:13table. But that actually shouldn't be

1:57:15what this is about. It really should be

1:57:18about trying to separate out the

1:57:20mechanical things that we are

1:57:21responsible for as a council that follow

1:57:23our fiduciary duty from the important

1:57:25work that I do think has yes gotten

1:57:27ensnared in politics in the in the past.

1:57:29So, I'm here to help clear the way for

1:57:31that. Like I don't want us I don't want

1:57:33this to continue to be you know, a

1:57:35project that just can't get past the

1:57:38complexity of the people involved. And I

1:57:41hope this is pushing us in this

1:57:42direction. I hope we can celebrate the

1:57:44work of the Malden River Works project

1:57:47without conflating those two things cuz

1:57:48I don't actually think that they are in

1:57:50competition at all.

1:57:51Uh even if that, you know, is a

1:57:53confusing thing to sort out. So, I

1:57:57I would be happy to make a motion to

1:57:58adopt this paper.

1:58:00>> Okay, on a motion by Councillor McDonald

1:58:02>> I'm sorry, there are two papers.

1:58:04>> All right, we're doing 393

1:58:06>> do them I think we need to do them

1:58:07separately.

1:58:07>> them separately.

1:58:08>> Yeah.

1:58:09>> Okay, so we're on 393-26

1:58:12>> Which is the $1.2 million paper.

1:58:14>> The $1.2 million paper. So, I have a

1:58:16motion by Councillor McDonald seconded

1:58:18by Councillor Seka and we do need a roll

1:58:20call.

1:58:21>> Councillor Clone Hayes.

1:58:22>> No.

1:58:24>> Councillor Clone

1:58:25>> Yes.

1:58:25>> Councillor Crow

1:58:26>> Yes.

1:58:27>> Councillor Luong

1:58:28>> Yes.

1:58:29>> Councillor McDonald

1:58:30>> Yes.

1:58:30>> Yes.

1:58:31>> Councillor O'Malley

1:58:32>> Yes.

1:58:32>> Yes. Councillor Seka

1:58:34>> Yes.

1:58:34>> Yes. Councillor Seminelli

1:58:35>> Yes.

1:58:36>> Yes. Councillor Taylor

1:58:37>> Yes.

1:58:37>> Yes. Councillor Winslow

1:58:39>> Yes.

1:58:39>> Yes. Councillor President Linehan

1:58:41>> Yes.

1:58:41>> Okay, so that

1:58:43I'm sorry, the order has been adopted by

1:58:45a 10 to 1 vote.

1:58:46>> Okay, 10 to 1 the order has been adopted

1:58:49and we'll do the next one.

1:58:50>> Paper 394

1:58:52which was the $900,000 paper.

1:58:57>> So, I need a separate motion on this

1:58:59paper.

1:58:59>> So moved.

1:59:00>> So moved by Councillor McDonald,

1:59:02seconded by Councillor Ceca.

1:59:06Councillor Clone Hayes?

1:59:07>> No.

1:59:08>> No. Councillor Condon?

1:59:09>> Yes.

1:59:09>> Yes. Councillor Crowe?

1:59:10>> Yes.

1:59:11>> Yes. Councillor Luong?

1:59:12>> Yes.

1:59:13>> Yes. Councillor McDonald?

1:59:14>> Yes.

1:59:14>> Yes. Councillor O'Malley?

1:59:16>> Yes.

1:59:16>> Yes. Councillor Ceca?

1:59:17>> Yes.

1:59:18>> Yes. Councillor Siminelli?

1:59:19>> Yes.

1:59:20>> Yes. Councillor Taylor?

1:59:21>> Yes.

1:59:22>> Yes. Councillor Winslow?

1:59:23>> Yes.

1:59:24>> Yes. Council President Linehan?

1:59:26>> Yes.

1:59:26>> Okay. So, that order has also been

1:59:27adopted by a 10 to 1 vote.

1:59:29>> Okay. That is adopted by a 10 to 1

1:59:32vote.

1:59:34Next order of business.

1:59:38Paper 433-26

1:59:40committee report.

1:59:42The standing committee on rules and

1:59:43ordinance to whom was referred papers

1:59:45327 and 415 series of 2026

1:59:49having considered the same make the

1:59:50following report. The committee reports

1:59:53paper 415

1:59:55-26 out favorably to the full council.

1:59:59Committee additionally recommends paper

2:00:00327-26 be split with 15 of the original

2:00:0418 amendments recommended favorably to

2:00:07the full council.

2:00:09The remaining three line items requiring

2:00:11further discussion,

2:00:13motel hotel, restaurant fast food, and

2:00:15supermarket, are recommended to be split

2:00:17into what is now numbered as paper

2:00:19327A-26

2:00:22and was tabled to come back to the

2:00:24ordinance committee at a later date.

2:00:27>> Okay. On a motion by Councillor Winslow,

2:00:30seconded by Councillor Crowe to receive

2:00:32the committee report, all in favor? I.

2:00:35Any opposed? The report is received.

2:00:39Paper 327-26

2:00:41be it ordained by the Malden City

2:00:42Council that the code of the City of

2:00:43Malden 12.12.030

2:00:45use regulations is hereby amended as

2:00:47follows.

2:00:49Okay, Councillor Winslow for the paper.

2:00:51>> So, um

2:00:52So, well, I just have a a procedural

2:00:54question. So, since we we we

2:00:57uh

2:00:59separated the paper in committee, do we

2:01:01as a council first have to vote to

2:01:03separate the paper? Is that

2:01:05All right, so all right. I'll I'll I'll

2:01:07explain that, but I'm

2:01:08>> Well, you've amended both papers, I

2:01:09think you'd be asking for

2:01:11a motion to amend based on the committee

2:01:14recommendation.

2:01:16>> All right. All right, so good. All

2:01:17right.

2:01:17>> Wait a minute.

2:01:18>> Hang on a second. Sorry. Okay.

2:01:20>> They didn't

2:01:21amend necessarily.

2:01:23>> We split.

2:01:25>> Yeah, we split off.

2:01:28>> The other part of the paper 12.27A is

2:01:30still in committee.

2:01:31>> Correct.

2:01:31>> Yes, so they have amendments to it, but

2:01:33this

2:01:34I don't think you need

2:01:36>> any amendments right now. Yeah. Yeah.

2:01:39Okay, yeah.

2:01:41Yeah, so I just for the education of the

2:01:46public and uh people

2:01:50>> And it's half of it's still tabled.

2:01:51>> So, this um this paper was uh submitted

2:01:54by our community development office um

2:01:57to really try to um

2:01:59update our use table to make it easier

2:02:02to do some many types of uses

2:02:05um

2:02:06and convert them from a

2:02:08many processes that were special permit

2:02:11to to actually allow by right. Um that

2:02:15went to hearing. Um we did hear back

2:02:18from the planning board. They had a

2:02:19series of recommendations.

2:02:21Um what some of the key recommendations

2:02:24were related to um

2:02:26to motels and hotels, uh restaurants and

2:02:29fast food, and supermarkets where they

2:02:32thought that was a pretty dramatic

2:02:33change from going from site plan site

2:02:36requiring um

2:02:38uh uh special permit to going to

2:02:41allowing by right. the thought and

2:02:43recommendation went the planning board

2:02:45was to actually go to an intermediate

2:02:48thing called site plan review.

2:02:50The challenge

2:02:52to moving ahead the whole paper at once

2:02:55is that even if we modify the use table

2:02:58to include site plan review, we don't

2:02:59have any site plan review regulations.

2:03:01So we really have to adopt that and

2:03:03really reissue

2:03:05that. So

2:03:06in committee the recommendation was to

2:03:09split the paper into

2:03:12the parts where we weren't recommending

2:03:14going to

2:03:16site plan review.

2:03:18And so the the paper is split

2:03:20advanced

2:03:2215 updates to the use table that don't

2:03:26require that they're basically taking

2:03:28things that were

2:03:29special permit or not allowed and making

2:03:31them

2:03:33by right

2:03:34in a a variety of districts and then so

2:03:36that's was the

2:03:38>> [cough]

2:03:39>> we split the paper and the committee

2:03:41recommended that the split paper be

2:03:45adopted as you know as split and that we

2:03:50will continue to work on what would be

2:03:52called

2:03:53327A which is the uses that we need to

2:03:57um

2:03:58do with site plan review and we would

2:04:00send back a paper to go back to hearing.

2:04:02So

2:04:03um

2:04:04I don't know if people need more

2:04:06explanations or anything like that, but

2:04:08uh

2:04:09yeah.

2:04:09>> Okay.

2:04:10>> Yeah.

2:04:10>> I don't see any lights.

2:04:12Oh, sorry counselor Colone Hayes.

2:04:14>> Um

2:04:15what what is

2:04:16are we going to take a vote right now

2:04:17and what exactly are we

2:04:19>> So we would we could take a uh

2:04:22vote if we have a motion to enroll.

2:04:25Um if you I think I guess that's what

2:04:27counselor Winslow was asking if you had

2:04:28additional questions. We also have a

2:04:30OSPCD staff that we could ask to come up

2:04:32and give a quick breakdown of what it

2:04:34includes and what we split off.

2:04:36Um really up to you.

2:04:38>> Sure.

2:04:39I I guess

2:04:40>> Yep.

2:04:40>> Um, you know, under our rules that um,

2:04:43you know, there

2:04:45was a request in committee that we split

2:04:48the paper. So, I guess it's just

2:04:49acknowledging as a council that that

2:04:53request was made and that

2:04:55I guess we acknowledge here that that's

2:04:57what we're going to vote on the split

2:04:58paper. I guess that's

2:04:59>> And so, we do have part of the paper

2:05:00still on the table in committee. So, I

2:05:02think we are we are functionally split.

2:05:05>> We are split.

2:05:06>> us is only part of the paper.

2:05:07>> So, I guess I the motion I would make is

2:05:09to um, you know, accept the committee's

2:05:12recommendation to adopt the paper

2:05:14favorably as split. So, yeah.

2:05:18>> Okay.

2:05:19Uh, I do have one light from Councilor

2:05:21O'Malley. Let me go to Councilor

2:05:22O'Malley first.

2:05:24>> I am of the opinion that when amendments

2:05:27are made in committee and the committee

2:05:29report is sent out and we then accept

2:05:33that committee report that the

2:05:35amendments were made in committee, but I

2:05:37believe that there are maybe differing

2:05:39opinions on that and in the past we've

2:05:42had to amend it based on what the

2:05:44committee report was recommending.

2:05:46Either way, I think we get to the same

2:05:48place in the end, but I'm just putting

2:05:49it out there

2:05:50so that we make sure we do it the right

2:05:52way based on what the collective thought

2:05:55of the body is.

2:05:56I just wanted to put it out there.

2:05:57>> This paper wasn't amended in committee.

2:05:59It was just split.

2:06:00>> Okay. So, I I think that's correct that

2:06:03I think what you're both saying is

2:06:04correct. We didn't amend it, we split

2:06:06it, but if I'm hearing Councilor

2:06:07O'Malley and feel free to jump in if I'm

2:06:09getting this wrong. I think what you're

2:06:11saying is that there's two schools of

2:06:13thought that once it's split in

2:06:14committee

2:06:15that's done. We don't have to affirm

2:06:17that, but that we could certainly do

2:06:18that now.

2:06:19>> No, I I just mean amend it. I remember

2:06:21we were talking about change one

2:06:22>> amend this one though.

2:06:23>> And that's maybe one I mis-

2:06:25misremembering it cuz I know some of it

2:06:27was like SP to SPR. This doesn't include

2:06:30that stuff.

2:06:30>> Correct.

2:06:31>> Okay.

2:06:31>> The amendments were not this section.

2:06:34>> Okay.

2:06:35>> This paper only reflects the 15 line

2:06:37items that unanimously were agreed upon

2:06:39and the other ones that required further

2:06:40debate were the ones that are still on

2:06:42the table in committee.

2:06:43>> If that's what we're all on the same

2:06:44page on, then great.

2:06:46I don't remember it differently. It just

2:06:48was very confusing cuz we were we were

2:06:49dealing with a hundred different things.

2:06:51Okay, thank

2:06:51>> It's been a lot, yep.

2:06:55>> Okay.

2:06:56>> So

2:06:57So I I guess I I make a motion to enroll

2:07:01the paper as split

2:07:04um per the recommendation of the

2:07:05committee.

2:07:06>> I second.

2:07:07>> Well, we have already that motion and a

2:07:09second on the floor already.

2:07:10>> Who made that motion? I'm sorry.

2:07:16Okay. I didn't even write that down.

2:07:18Thank you for reminding and remembering

2:07:19that. Um so we can do a voice vote. So

2:07:22all in favor?

2:07:25We do

2:07:26We do?

2:07:27>> Well, this is um a zoning

2:07:30paper

2:07:32which typically requires um two thirds

2:07:34vote for a vote um I'm sorry.

2:07:37>> A voice vote, but we need a two a

2:07:39majority.

2:07:40>> A two thirds vote.

2:07:41>> eight votes. Okay.

2:07:42>> So I think I was counting votes when I

2:07:43said we need a

2:07:44>> That's okay.

2:07:45>> I thought I was on the wrong page. It's

2:07:46I feel like we've been here since

2:07:47yesterday at this point.

2:07:51>> Okay.

2:07:51>> Um we can do a voice vote.

2:07:52>> We can Okay. All in favor?

2:07:54I. Any opposed?

2:07:56Okay. Okay.

2:07:59So that is enrolled.

2:08:01Next order of business.

2:08:07>> Paper 415-26

2:08:09be ordained by the Malden City Council

2:08:10that the code of the city of Malden

2:08:12title two chapter 24 is hereby amended

2:08:15by adding section point 075 assistant

2:08:18department head salary schedule and

2:08:19inserting the following positions as is

2:08:22outlined in the body of the paper.

2:08:23Counselor Winslow for the paper.

2:08:25>> So um you know, as we talk about salary

2:08:28schedules, so this was, um,

2:08:30a, you know,

2:08:32a submission by the mayor's office to,

2:08:35um, include, um, updated salary

2:08:37schedules for from assistant department

2:08:40heads and the other positions. So, the,

2:08:43um, committee reviewed that and

2:08:45recommended that the council adopt the

2:08:47paper, um, uh, with without amendments.

2:08:50Thank you, Greg.

2:08:51>> Thank you.

2:08:52>> Okay, seeing no lights for questions on

2:08:54a motion by Councilor Winslow, seconded

2:08:56by Councilor Seka to enroll, all in

2:08:59favor.

2:09:00>> I.

2:09:00>> I. Any opposed? Seeing none, that is

2:09:04enrolled.

2:09:06Next order of business.

2:09:07>> three papers were, um, essentially

2:09:10placeholders anticipating papers coming

2:09:12out of the ordinance committee tonight,

2:09:14which did not happen. So, we will not be

2:09:16taking up for business paper 434,

2:09:19335, and 335A.

2:09:21>> All right.

2:09:22>> Just got back a lot of time. Skipping

2:09:25>> Wow.

2:09:26>> Skipping ahead to paper 435-26,

2:09:29a committee report from the standing

2:09:30committee on license to whom was

2:09:31referred papers

2:09:33380, 381,

2:09:36and 412 through 414 series of 2026,

2:09:40having considered the same, make the

2:09:42following report. Committee recommends

2:09:44these positions out favorably to the

2:09:46full council.

2:09:46>> Motion to receive the committee report.

2:09:48>> Okay, on a motion by Councilor Seka,

2:09:50seconded by Councilor Conlon to receive

2:09:51the committee report, all in favor.

2:09:53>> I.

2:09:53>> I. The committee report is received.

2:09:56Paper 380-26,

2:09:59petition livery company Ana Santos

2:10:01Transport LLC located at 64 Linwood

2:10:03Street,

2:10:05um, one vehicle new. Paper 381-26,

2:10:09petition livery driver Ana

2:10:11de Sant Diaz, Joe Santos of 64 Linwood

2:10:15Street, apartment number two, Malden,

2:10:17new petition.

2:10:18Paper 412-26, lodging house Metro North

2:10:21Housing Corp located at 115 Washington

2:10:24Street 14 rooms renewal paper 413-26

2:10:28lodging house Metro North Housing Corp

2:10:30located at 22 Charles Street 11 rooms

2:10:33renewal paper 414-26

2:10:36lodging house Cedar House LLC for

2:10:38116-118

2:10:40Cedar Street Malden for 14 rooms

2:10:42renewal.

2:10:45>> I'm sorry. Go ahead Counselor Seka.

2:10:47>> Thank you. Uh the license committee met

2:10:49last week with the compliance guys. Um

2:10:52everybody that was a renewal had no

2:10:54issues and the new petitions were all um

2:10:58they had required parking on anything

2:11:00that they needed to be able to be

2:11:02granted. So the eight um came out of the

2:11:04committee unanimously. So I make a

2:11:06motion to grant all these petitions.

2:11:08>> Second.

2:11:09>> Okay, on a motion by Counselor Seka

2:11:11seconded by Counselor Colon Hayes to

2:11:13grant all in favor.

2:11:14>> Aye.

2:11:15>> Aye. Any opposed? The petitions are

2:11:17granted.

2:11:19>> Paper 436-26

2:11:21the standing committee on personnel and

2:11:23appointments to whom was referred papers

2:11:26363 364 365 367 and 368 series of 2026

2:11:31having considered the same make the

2:11:32following report. Committee recommends

2:11:34these appointments out favorably to the

2:11:36full council.

2:11:38>> Okay, on a motion by Counselor Crowe

2:11:40seconded by Counselor Luong to receive

2:11:42the committee report all in favor. Aye.

2:11:44Any opposed? The committee report is

2:11:46received.

2:11:47>> Paper 363-26

2:11:49mayoral appointment Karen Buck of 3234

2:11:52Street Malden as a member of the Public

2:11:54Works Commission. Said term to commence

2:11:56upon confirmation by the city council

2:11:59and to expire on March 1st, 2027.

2:12:02>> Okay, Counselor Crowe for the

2:12:03appointment.

2:12:05>> Um you know, thank you. Can we read them

2:12:07all together?

2:12:08>> At the same

2:12:08>> Yeah, yes.

2:12:09>> They do all need roll call votes though,

2:12:11but I'll read them all at once. Okay.

2:12:13>> Paper 364-26 mayoral appointment Heather

2:12:16Barry of 10 Hudson Terrace, Malden, as a

2:12:19member of the Parks and Rec Commission.

2:12:20Said term to commence upon confirmation

2:12:23by the City Council and expire on June

2:12:2530th, 2028.

2:12:26Paper 365-26

2:12:28mayoral appointment, Ben Gatley of 69

2:12:30Pierce Street, Unit 1, Malden, as a

2:12:33member of the Parks and Rec Commission.

2:12:35Said term to commence upon confirmation

2:12:37by the City Council and to expire on

2:12:39June 30th, 2029.

2:12:42Paper 367-26 mayoral appointment, Julie

2:12:45Tranter of 2654 Street, Malden, as a

2:12:48member of the Parks and Rec Commission.

2:12:50Said term to commence upon confirmation

2:12:52by the City Council and to expire on

2:12:54June 30th, 2028.

2:12:57Paper 368-26

2:12:59mayoral appointment, Jane Ventrone of 33

2:13:02Dodge Street, Malden, as a member of the

2:13:03Parks and Rec Commission. Said term to

2:13:05commence upon confirmation by the City

2:13:07Council and expire on June 30th, 2029.

2:13:11>> Okay, Counselor Crow for the committee.

2:13:14>> Thank you, Madam President. First of

2:13:15all, I'm going to apologize because I

2:13:16usually have notes on the backgrounds of

2:13:18everybody, but I was running late, so I

2:13:20they were on my desk at work. The um and

2:13:23so we met with the with um each one of

2:13:25these and we uh we'll take Karen Buck up

2:13:28separately because she is the Public

2:13:30Works Commission.

2:13:31And um she really talked about a lot

2:13:33about her um her background in even

2:13:36Parks and Recreation. I think that was

2:13:37one of the questions, why not that one.

2:13:40She was looking at really a fuller view

2:13:42of all sort of infrastructure around

2:13:45that, you know, that the the Public

2:13:47Works Commission does. And so we really

2:13:49unanimously that she has a like a

2:13:51wide-eye view of a lot of things and be

2:13:54able to pull some of those things

2:13:55together. So again, we unanimously

2:13:58um

2:13:59voted to approve this appointment.

2:14:03>> Okay, so any questions? Do I have a

2:14:05motion for on the Karen on Karen Buck?

2:14:08>> Motion.

2:14:09>> Seconded.

2:14:10>> Okay, I have a motion by Counselor

2:14:11Winslow, seconded by Councillor

2:14:13O'Malley. We do need a roll call.

2:14:15>> Councillor Clone Hayes. Councillor

2:14:17Condon.

2:14:18>> Yes.

2:14:19>> Councillor Crow.

2:14:19>> Yes.

2:14:20>> Councillor Luong.

2:14:21>> Yes.

2:14:21>> Councillor McDonald.

2:14:22>> Yes.

2:14:22>> Councillor O'Malley.

2:14:23>> Yes.

2:14:24>> Councillor Seka.

2:14:24>> Yes.

2:14:25>> Councillor Simonelli.

2:14:27Councillor Taylor.

2:14:28>> Yes.

2:14:29>> Councillor Winslow.

2:14:30>> Yes.

2:14:30>> Council President Linehan.

2:14:31>> Yes.

2:14:31>> That confirmation has been approved by

2:14:3410 to 0 vote.

2:14:35>> Okay, that confirmation is approved.

2:14:37Back to Councillor Crow.

2:14:39>> So, in these these next four

2:14:42are all on the newly organized Parks and

2:14:45Recreation Commission.

2:14:47And so, you know, Heather Barry and Ben

2:14:50Gatley, again, I don't have my notes,

2:14:51but brought some unique perspectives

2:14:54about

2:14:55sort of what the Parks and Recreation

2:14:57Commission could be doing. And it is

2:15:00really excited to be at the ground floor

2:15:02of some things to kind of really build

2:15:04that up. And then we have Julie Turner

2:15:07and Jane Ventrone. Those two people,

2:15:10there was a

2:15:12discussion previously that those two

2:15:14people are also

2:15:16city employees and it was cleared,

2:15:20researched, did all my things, that they

2:15:23they are both Malden residents, we knew

2:15:24that, and so they can sit on this as an

2:15:27un-stipend position. It does, I think

2:15:30some of the committee would discuss

2:15:32well, my some the is really since

2:15:36Julie Turner

2:15:39right now works at the Recreation

2:15:40Department, she kind of has an inside

2:15:42into how how some

2:15:45you know, permitting happens and what

2:15:46things we can make things a little

2:15:48easier and a little more

2:15:50fair across the board. And then Jane

2:15:53Ventrone, who works at OSPCD, again, is

2:15:56we're doing some of the parks that we've

2:15:58been talking about so they could have

2:16:00this a bird's eye view of some of the

2:16:02things that are coming down, some of the

2:16:04work that is going on and how the parks

2:16:06and recreation um commission I think can

2:16:10kind of they can be some of the

2:16:12expertise to help that one move along um

2:16:15and get it done. So, again, we um voted

2:16:18unanimously to um

2:16:20to approve all four of these new

2:16:22appointments.

2:16:24>> Okay, great. So, we do need individual

2:16:27motions and individual roll calls, is

2:16:28that correct?

2:16:29>> That is correct.

2:16:30>> Okay, so let's do Heather Barry first.

2:16:32>> Paper 364, Heather Barry.

2:16:34>> Do we have a motion?

2:16:35>> Motion.

2:16:36>> Second.

2:16:36>> Okay, motion made by Councilor Louang,

2:16:38seconded by Councilor Taylor. We'll do

2:16:40the roll.

2:16:43Councilor Colon Hayes.

2:16:44>> Yes.

2:16:45>> Councilor Condon. Councilor Crow.

2:16:47>> Yes.

2:16:47>> Councilor Louang.

2:16:48>> Yes.

2:16:49>> Councilor McDonald.

2:16:50>> Yes.

2:16:50>> Councilor O'Malley.

2:16:51>> Yes.

2:16:51>> Councilor Segarra.

2:16:52>> Yes.

2:16:53>> Councilor Seminelli is not in the

2:16:54chamber.

2:16:55Councilor Taylor.

2:16:56>> Yes.

2:16:57>> Councilor Winslow. Council President

2:16:58Linehan.

2:16:59>> Yes.

2:16:59>> Okay, that has been confirmed.

2:17:01>> Okay, that's confirmed. Do we have a

2:17:02motion for Ben Gaitley?

2:17:04>> So moved.

2:17:05>> Okay, so moved by Councilor O'Malley,

2:17:07seconded by Councilor Taylor.

2:17:10Let's call the roll.

2:17:14Councilor Colon Hayes.

2:17:15>> Yes.

2:17:15>> Councilor Condon. Councilor Crow.

2:17:17>> Yes.

2:17:17>> Councilor Louang.

2:17:18>> Yes.

2:17:19>> Councilor McDonald.

2:17:19>> Yes.

2:17:20>> Councilor O'Malley.

2:17:21>> Yes.

2:17:21>> Councilor Segarra.

2:17:22>> Yes.

2:17:22>> Councilor Seminelli is not in the

2:17:23chamber. Councilor Taylor.

2:17:25>> Yes.

2:17:25>> Councilor Winslow. Council President

2:17:27Linehan.

2:17:27>> Yes.

2:17:28>> That confirmation has been approved by a

2:17:3010-0 vote.

2:17:32>> 10-0, that confirmation is confirmed. Do

2:17:34we have a motion for Julie Turner?

2:17:35>> Motion.

2:17:36>> Second.

2:17:37>> Okay, motion by Councilor Segarra,

2:17:38seconded by Councilor Colon Hayes. Let's

2:17:40call the roll.

2:17:45>> I'm sorry. Would you please repeat

2:17:46motion?

2:17:47>> Yep, Councilor Segarra and Councilor

2:17:48Colon Hayes.

2:17:49>> I appreciate that.

2:17:50>> Of course.

2:17:53Councilor Colon Hayes.

2:17:54>> Yes.

2:17:55>> Councilor Condon.

2:17:56>> Yes.

2:17:56>> Councilor Crow.

2:17:57>> Yes.

2:17:58>> Councilor Louang.

2:17:58>> Yes.

2:17:59>> Councilor McDonald.

2:18:00>> Yes.

2:18:00>> Councilor O'Malley.

2:18:01>> Yes.

2:18:01>> Councilor Segarra.

2:18:02>> Yes.

2:18:02>> Councilor Simmoneau is not in the

2:18:03chamber. Councilor Taylor?

2:18:05>> Yes.

2:18:05>> Councilor Winslow?

2:18:06>> Yes.

2:18:07>> Council President Linehan?

2:18:08>> Yes.

2:18:08>> Okay, that confirmation has been

2:18:10approved.

2:18:10>> Okay, that confirmation's approved. And

2:18:12finally, do we have a motion for Jane

2:18:13Ventrone?

2:18:15Motion by Councilor Secor, seconded by

2:18:17Councilor Colon Hayes again.

2:18:19>> Yes. Eight. Councilor Winslow.

2:18:21>> And let's call the roll. I get to get

2:18:23again. Secor and Councilor Colon Hayes.

2:18:25>> Councilor Colon Hayes?

2:18:26>> Yes.

2:18:26>> Councilor Condom?

2:18:27>> Yes.

2:18:28>> Councilor Crowe?

2:18:28>> Yes.

2:18:29>> Councilor Leong?

2:18:30>> Yes.

2:18:30>> Councilor McDonald?

2:18:31>> Yes.

2:18:31>> Councilor O'Malley?

2:18:32>> Yes.

2:18:32>> Councilor Secor?

2:18:33>> Yes.

2:18:34>> Councilor Simmoneau is still not in the

2:18:35chamber. Councilor Taylor?

2:18:37>> Yes.

2:18:37>> Councilor Winslow?

2:18:38>> Yes.

2:18:39>> Council President Linehan?

2:18:40>> Yes.

2:18:40>> Okay, we have confirmation.

2:18:42>> Okay, that final one is confirmed. Thank

2:18:44you, everyone. Um before we take up our

2:18:47last order

2:18:48>> I have just a note on this stuff um

2:18:50related to parks and recreation

2:18:52commission

2:18:53>> Oh, sorry. Hang on. Let me put your um

2:18:55microphone on.

2:18:56>> Yeah, um because under the Community

2:18:58Preservation Act, once you have a parks

2:19:00and rec commission, we have to have one

2:19:03of those members be on the CPC. I I need

2:19:05to make the effort to update our

2:19:08community preservation committee

2:19:10ordinance. So, we'll that's something we

2:19:12got to work on now that we actually

2:19:13going to have a commission. So, just one

2:19:15of those last details when we were

2:19:17updating the charter and and and that we

2:19:20we didn't tackle this issue, but it is

2:19:22something we have to update that. So,

2:19:24anticipate that. So, I'll put that on my

2:19:25to-do list.

2:19:26>> Duly noted. Thank you, Councilor

2:19:28Winslow.

2:19:30Um

2:19:32So, our next order of business is our

2:19:34executive session vote. However, I am

2:19:36going to ask if anybody has personal

2:19:37privilege before we do that.

2:19:40I am Wow, everybody does. Okay,

2:19:43Councilor O'Malley.

2:19:44>> Thank you so much. Um I just wanted to

2:19:47um highlight to the community that um as

2:19:49many of you know, I really care a lot

2:19:51about public art. And at Quigley Park,

2:19:54we just installed today with the help of

2:19:55the the DPW, two new sculptures. So, as

2:19:59you probably know, we have the wise owl

2:20:02sculpture that has been a big hit. And

2:20:04the artist, Dale Rogers, who's local to

2:20:06Massachusetts, has done two more

2:20:08sculptures. One's called American Dog

2:20:11with a really cool bone cut out of it.

2:20:13And another one is a fox. And I'm in the

2:20:16process of writing a little short

2:20:18children's story tying the all three

2:20:20together. Basically talking about how

2:20:22and to encourage children to take care

2:20:24of our parks and be stewards of our of

2:20:26our environment. I just I just want to

2:20:28get really give a shout out to the

2:20:29administration and Maria Louise

2:20:30specifically for your support. Thank you

2:20:32so much for making it happen. It's

2:20:33really appreciated. Um

2:20:35Aside from that, you know, I think

2:20:37Halloween's coming up. I think we have

2:20:39one more meeting. So, I won't I won't I

2:20:41won't say how happy Halloween yet.

2:20:43>> say it when we're not on TV now.

2:20:44>> Oh, happy Halloween.

2:20:45>> Yes, we are.

2:20:45>> Yeah, we are.

2:20:46>> Oh, never mind.

2:20:47>> She's sorry. I didn't It's a full

2:20:48meeting next week, yeah.

2:20:50>> Yeah. Okay, thank you, Councilor

2:20:51O'Malley. Councilor Crowe.

2:20:54>> Thank you, Madam President. So, I have a

2:20:56few things. It is,

2:20:58you know, lots of things always go on in

2:21:00Malden. So, on Saturday and Sunday at

2:21:0411:00 to 12:30, there'll be a walking

2:21:07park of Bell Rock Cemetery. These Mack

2:21:11Lenihan leads them and they are very

2:21:13informative. They if you've never been

2:21:16to one or if you've been to all of them,

2:21:18I would say go to again because there's

2:21:20always more information. It gets a

2:21:21little deeper. It really explains a lot.

2:21:24Um it really where Malden sort of

2:21:27started a lot there. So, I I think

2:21:29it makes you stop and think, you know,

2:21:31some of the some of the information that

2:21:33is there. So, it's from 11:00 to 12:30.

2:21:36I highly encourage you to show up either

2:21:38this Saturday or Sunday.

2:21:40And then on Sunday after that at 1:30,

2:21:44we'll be having our annual trunk or

2:21:46treat event, 1:30 to 3:30. It is on

2:21:50Canal Street on the bike path, and so

2:21:52the line will start near the um bicycle

2:21:56statue,

2:21:58you know, sculpture in the in the bench

2:22:00towards the bike kitchen, and then go

2:22:02down. We have about 30 trunks. Um so, I

2:22:05hope people come and we have Well, we

2:22:08have a great time, and the weather looks

2:22:10like it's going to be perfect. So, hope

2:22:11to see everybody there.

2:22:13>> Great. Thank you, Councilor Crow.

2:22:14Councilor Taylor.

2:22:17>> Thank you. So, just wanted to remind

2:22:19everybody that this Saturday from 6:00

2:22:20to 8:00 is the Haunted Woods at Pine

2:22:23Banks. Um

2:22:25hope to see

2:22:26so many people there. Um we do have The

2:22:30coffee truck will be there. The cannoli

2:22:32truck might have an issue, so we're

2:22:34working at something out, but

2:22:37there might be a a different treat. Um

2:22:39and there will be from Sick Props doing

2:22:42a photo

2:22:43photo booth, so come on down, hang out

2:22:45with us. Um there are options if you

2:22:48don't want to be scared going through

2:22:49the walk, um or extra scared, but

2:22:54looking forward to seeing everyone.

2:22:55>> Thank you, Councilor Taylor. Councilor

2:22:57Winslow.

2:22:59>> Yeah, I want to thank um this weekend um

2:23:02Lowe's of Saugus donated some railing we

2:23:05needed um at Club 24, which is the uh

2:23:08war uh Ward 6 voting location to fix the

2:23:10ADA railings there, and my neighbor Matt

2:23:13Royale, who's a Northeast folk grad,

2:23:15helped me install that and uh get it

2:23:18painted. So, I'm just we're all set for

2:23:21uh the election on um coming up in a few

2:23:24weeks um at that that. So, just thanks

2:23:27thanks to Matt and and Lowe's for um

2:23:29making that all possible. Um and then

2:23:32just a few things coming up. I know

2:23:33Salemwood School has their trunk or

2:23:34treat coming up this Friday, so I

2:23:36believe that's at 6:00, so I'll be out

2:23:38there with Peter Piazza um from uh and

2:23:41other people from Salemwood School. And

2:23:43then um also this Friday night the

2:23:46warming center has its gala at Anthony's

2:23:48so I think some people probably already

2:23:50signed for up for that but um it I know

2:23:52I think they wanted the people to sign

2:23:53up sooner but you could probably still

2:23:55check and I'm sure they they will gladly

2:23:57take a check um if you just uh need to

2:23:59do that or whatever but it's a great

2:24:01group and um you know that it's coming

2:24:03up to November when they reopen so um

2:24:05they need that support. Thank you Greg.

2:24:07>> Thank you Councilor Winzo. Councilor

2:24:09McDonald.

2:24:11>> Thank you. Well, as we head towards

2:24:13election day just want to remind folks

2:24:14about the early voting options unless

2:24:16you were going to do that clerk.

2:24:17>> Go right ahead.

2:24:18>> Um cuz I went and voted early today in

2:24:21city hall lobby and it was very easy and

2:24:24um so early voting is happening every

2:24:26day uh between now and Thursday October

2:24:2929th when it stops. It's at city hall

2:24:32except for Friday October 23rd when it's

2:24:35at the police station that day.

2:24:36>> Yes, we're doing mobile early voting to

2:24:38reach people on the east side of the

2:24:40city. We'll be there from 10:00 to 2:00.

2:24:41Thank you for announcing that's great.

2:24:43>> That is Friday the 23rd 10:00 to 2:00.

2:24:45So if that is more convenient for you

2:24:47you can check that out at the police

2:24:48station community room presumably.

2:24:50>> Correct.

2:24:50>> Um on at 800 Eastern Ave. Uh and so

2:24:53thank you to the clerk's office for um

2:24:56for that good work. It's 8:00 to 5:00 on

2:24:59uh weekdays except for Tuesday it's 8:00

2:25:01to 7:00 and then on weekends it's 9:00

2:25:03to 1:00 except for that Friday when you

2:25:05just mentioned.

2:25:06Um so so please please please don't

2:25:08forget to go go and vote. There are

2:25:09three different pieces to your ballot

2:25:11and like nine

2:25:13uh of these you know ballot initiatives

2:25:15and so just don't forget to vote the

2:25:16whole ballot or to note the whole ballot

2:25:19at least.

2:25:20Um I also wanted to make sure that folks

2:25:22were aware of the first meeting on the

2:25:26Commercial Street Corridor Study which

2:25:28is tomorrow. There will be virtual and

2:25:30in person meetings. Tomorrow's is

2:25:32virtual it's 6:00 to 7:30 p.m. Um the

2:25:35Commercial Street Corridor as we've

2:25:37discussed many times is by far the

2:25:39lowest hanging fruit for significant

2:25:41economic development that can revitalize

2:25:43our tax base um in a concentrated way

2:25:45and a cohesive way. So, really excited

2:25:47to move that forward by starting with

2:25:50looking at the street itself and the

2:25:51grant that we've gotten to redo to redo

2:25:54the physical infrastructure.

2:25:57So, check that out. Thank you.

2:25:58>> Great. Thank you, Councillor McDonald.

2:26:00Councillor Seminelli.

2:26:02>> Thank you, Madam President. I probably

2:26:03should have done this in the beginning

2:26:04of the meeting, but a long time resident

2:26:07of both Ward 7 and Ward 8, Jimmy Stanley

2:26:10passed away last night.

2:26:12He had to actually be married to

2:26:13Weymouth those sister. So, we just want

2:26:16to have a little moment of silence and

2:26:17recognize

2:26:19Jimmy Stanley, old

2:26:21family was a big hot topper and I think

2:26:23we all were to them one summer or

2:26:25another. So, thank you. Thank you.

2:26:37>> Since we're up, can I do one more?

2:26:38>> Yeah.

2:26:39Absolutely. Let me just put your light

2:26:41on.

2:26:42>> I apologize.

2:26:43>> I was surprised we didn't have any to

2:26:44the beginning. We usually people let me

2:26:45know.

2:26:46>> Yeah. I apologize. My mind is crazy

2:26:48these last few weeks, but um

2:26:51as many you may not know, I don't know,

2:26:53but Carol Burgess used to work for the

2:26:55City Clerk's office. Her husband,

2:26:57George, passed away the other day. I

2:26:59attended the services last night. George

2:27:02and Carol, I've known them since I think

2:27:04I was in kindergarten. They live up on

2:27:06Central. George was super active in the

2:27:09Boy Scouts of America.

2:27:11It was actually one of the most attended

2:27:14wakes I think I've been to since COVID,

2:27:17I feel like. The place was packed last

2:27:19night and it was a true testament to

2:27:22you know, Carol and George and how

2:27:24they've lived their life. So, I just

2:27:26want to give my condolences to the

2:27:27Burgess family.

2:27:28>> Okay.

2:27:37Thank you both for those. Another one,

2:27:39okay. Oh my goodness.

2:27:41>> Since we [clears throat] are

2:27:42just clerk of committees Lisa Cagno lost

2:27:45her mother

2:27:46you know recently like in the last week

2:27:49so we just want to send our thoughts and

2:27:51prayers out to

2:27:53Lisa and her family.

2:28:07>> Thank you everyone.

2:28:17Okay, last but not least counselor

2:28:20Colone-Hayes.

2:28:21>> Yeah, thank you. Now I have to

2:28:23follow three moments of silence with

2:28:25some fun stuff.

2:28:28But anyway, this

2:28:30Bread of Life is holding their bowling

2:28:32fundraiser

2:28:33this Sunday. It is from 2:00 to 4:00. It

2:28:38is at the Town Line Luxury Lanes. We're

2:28:41going to have a team

2:28:43from the Moulton Riverworks,

2:28:44our team. And we're going to be bowling

2:28:46on there and I just actually saw that

2:28:47costumes are welcome so that just makes

2:28:49me very happy.

2:28:50And I am also want to say I'm very sad

2:28:53I'm

2:28:54going away this weekend so I'm going to

2:28:55be missing a lot of Halloween things

2:28:57that I usually participate in so I'm a

2:28:58little bummed about that.

2:29:00Um

2:29:01but that's just the way it goes. And

2:29:04then last I am going to be taking down I

2:29:06keep staring at them even though they

2:29:08look really nice and all those flags

2:29:09that have been up for Hispanic Heritage

2:29:11Month. I really love seeing them but it

2:29:13is over so I will be taking them down

2:29:17and maybe it will be a monthly thing

2:29:18with putting something else up in there

2:29:20cuz I I really enjoyed looking at them.

2:29:21Thank you.

2:29:22>> Thank you.

2:29:24Uh well, we do have our

2:29:27last

2:29:28item on our agenda which is our

2:29:30executive session.

2:29:32>> Um let me get there.

2:29:34>> Take your time.

2:29:35>> Thank you.

2:29:36Paper 437-26

2:29:39order

2:29:40that the city council will vote whether

2:29:41to go into executive session with legal

2:29:43counsel for the city for the purpose of

2:29:45exemption one Massachusetts General Law

2:29:48chapter 30A section 21A1

2:29:51for the purpose of discussing charges

2:29:52brought against a public employee in the

2:29:54matter of Joel Genite Genites versus

2:29:57Office of Patrick Cannon

2:29:59and to consider legal representation and

2:30:01indemnification of said employee if so

2:30:04allowed by the body to admit special

2:30:05assistant to the mayor Marie Louise.

2:30:07Roll call required.

2:30:10>> Okay, so we're looking for a motion to

2:30:12enter

2:30:13executive session.

2:30:15Okay, on a motion by Councillor Taylor

2:30:17seconded by Councillor Crowe

2:30:19we do need a roll call to adopt the

2:30:21order and enter into executive session.

2:30:23So let's call the roll.

2:30:24>> Councillor Colon-Hayes

2:30:25>> Yes.

2:30:26>> Councillor Condon

2:30:27>> Yes.

2:30:27>> Councillor Crowe

2:30:28>> Yes.

2:30:28>> Councillor Leong

2:30:29>> Yes.

2:30:29>> Councillor McDonald

2:30:30>> Yes.

2:30:31>> Councillor O'Malley

2:30:32>> Yes.

2:30:32>> Councillor Siciliano

2:30:34Councillor Simonelli Councillor Taylor

2:30:36>> Yes.

2:30:36>> Councillor Winzo

2:30:37>> Yes.

2:30:38>> Council President Linehan

2:30:39>> Yes.

2:30:39>> Okay, unanimously adopted.

2:30:41>> So the council will now enter into

2:30:43executive session. The body will not

2:30:46reconvene for any further business this

2:30:48evening and we will adjourn directly

2:30:49from executive session. Thank you.

2:31:07>> Long night.

2:31:08>> Yeah, I know.

2:31:11>> It would have been after 10:00 if we

2:31:13took up those ordinances.

2:31:14>> Oh my god, can you

2:32:15>> Mhm.