2026-09-22 - City Council

00:1024 hours.

00:43Apparently,

01:15Okay, it's 7:05 and the council will

01:17come to order. I'll rise and salute the

01:20flag.

01:22I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

01:24United States of America and to the

01:27republic for which it stands, one nation

01:30under God, indivisible, with liberty and

01:33justice for all. Please remain standing

01:35for a moment of silence in honor of our

01:37veterans, service members, and those who

01:39have given the ultimate sacrifice.

01:45At this time, I will give the Florida

01:46counselor Condan for an additional

01:48moment of silence.

01:54Thank you, council president. Uh it's

01:57with deep sadness that we share the

02:00passing of uh Dr. John Tundozi,

02:03a lifelong resident of Mand 1942

02:08in the Edgeworth neighborhood. John

02:10graduated Mullen Catholic 1960

02:14went on to build a remarkable 44year

02:17career as a chemistry professor at Curry

02:21College where he also served as chairman

02:25of the science division for 16 years.

02:30John John devoted his life to learning,

02:35teaching and community service. He was

02:38widely known for his extension extensive

02:41knowledge

02:43of Maldon's history and was an

02:46invaluable resource for local families,

02:50especially in the Italian American

02:52families of Edgeworth. His commitment to

02:55preserving and celebrating Malden's

02:58heritage has left a lasting impact in

03:01our community.

03:03Since 1980, John served the library, the

03:07Maldon Public Library as trustee and

03:10became the president in 2010

03:13as chair of the libraryies art

03:16committee.

03:17He played a vital role

03:21in curating and expanding the libraryies

03:25art collection. He also held leadership

03:28positions

03:29with both the Malden Historical

03:31Commission and the Malden Historical

03:36Society.

03:38Gener generously giving time, expertise,

03:42and passion for many years. John's

03:45dedication to civic life stems from a

03:49profound belief in the common good. In

03:53the p in a past interview, John shared,

03:56"Anything I do, I do for the whole

03:58community, the whole city, not for

04:01individual interests." His unwavering

04:04commitment and generous spirit will be

04:07deeply missed.

04:09Thank you.

04:10>> Thank you. A moment of silence for Dr.

04:12Dmondozie.

04:22>> Thank you. At this time, the clerk will

04:23now call the role.

04:27>> Council clone Hayes

04:28>> here.

04:29>> Council Condan

04:30>> here.

04:31>> Council Crow here.

04:32>> Council Lewan

04:33>> here.

04:33>> Council McDonald here.

04:34>> Council Ali.

04:36>> Council Sega is not with us this

04:37evening. Council Simonelli

04:39>> here.

04:39>> Council Taylor

04:40>> here.

04:41>> Council Winsow

04:42>> here.

04:42>> Council President Lahan

04:43>> here.

04:45>> Okay. Thank you very much. Now, under

04:47the provisions of the open meeting law,

04:49for those of you in attendance, please

04:50be informed that UMA Urban Media Arts

04:53will be recording this evening's

04:54meeting. So, be aware that there will be

04:57audio and video recordings of tonight's

05:00meeting. Is anyone else present in the

05:02chamber who's recording in addition to

05:04Uma? Please make yourself visible at

05:06this time. Okay. Thank you. Seeing none,

05:09we'll move on to our first order of

05:11business.

05:12First order of business is citizen guest

05:14citizens achievement and announcements.

05:16>> Representatives from the Hispanic

05:18community will appear before the council

05:20for a reading of a proclamation kicking

05:22off Hispanic Heritage Month.

05:27>> You may come to the podium. Thank you so

05:28much for being with us tonight.

05:34>> Hi, my name is Isabelli Sosa. I'm

05:37student at Malden Catholic and I'm in

05:39freshman year.

05:41>> Welcome.

05:46>> Hi, I'm Olivia Pereira. I'm Olivia

05:48Pereira. I'm a student at Malden

05:50Catholic and I'm in ninth grade.

05:56Good evening. My name is Amanda Citaden.

05:58I am a sophomore at Malden Catholic High

06:01School.

06:04Hello, my name is Marielle Nicholas. I

06:07go to Molden Catholic High School and

06:08I'm in 10th grade.

06:12>> Hello, my name is Kelsey Chen and I'm a

06:15senior at Malden Catholic.

06:18>> My name is Wilson Chad and I am a junior

06:21at Malden High School.

06:24>> Hello, my name is Anna Boy. I am a

06:26junior at Mullen High School.

06:31Hello, my name is Chicha Chen and I'm a

06:33junior at Molden High School.

06:37>> Hello, my name is Francis Ch. I'm a

06:39junior at Mon High School.

06:45>> Um, hello, my name is Eang Chan. I'm a

06:48junior at Mon High School.

06:53>> Hi, my name is Eva Price. I go to the

06:55Vogue and I'm a junior.

06:57>> Okay, great. Um, so, okay, thank you.

07:01So, thank you so much. Um, I just want

07:03to say, um, a couple of words before you

07:06move on. You can get a little bit closer

07:07together, so it doesn't take too long to

07:08walk up to that mic, but you know your

07:10order. And I just wanted to thank you

07:12all for coming. Uh, what we did was we

07:15wanted to really bring light to the

07:17different cultures in in Malden. We have

07:20we're such a diverse community. So with

07:22the Hispanic Heritage Month going from

07:24October 15th, I mean from September 15th

07:26to October um 15th, we really learned a

07:30lot. We wanted to celebrate that, but

07:31not just like we wanted to make sure

07:33that we included everyone and that we

07:35learned from each other because that's

07:36how we're going to move move forward in

07:38this world. So I really appreciate all

07:40the questions that you've all had and

07:42we've had lots of great um you know

07:43conversations and thank you so much for

07:45coming. Now we're going to go into

07:47reading the proclamation. So uh they all

07:50know their order. Go right ahead,

07:52Isabelli. Start it off.

07:55>> Whereas National Hispanic Heritage Month

07:58began in 1968 as Hispanic Heritage Week

08:00under President Lyndon Johnson and was

08:02expanded by President Ronald Reagan in

08:051988 to cover a 30-day period starting

08:08on September 15th and ending on October

08:1015th.

08:14Whereas Hispanic Heritage Month was

08:16enacted into law on August 17th, 1988 to

08:20recognize and celebrate the rich

08:22histories, cultures, traditions, and

08:24contributions of Hispanic and

08:27Latino/Latinx

08:28communities. And

08:33and whereas September 15th marks the

08:35independence anniversaries of Costa

08:37Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras,

08:40and Nicaragua, followed by the

08:42independence days of Mexico, Chile,

08:44Bise, and Spain.

08:50Whereas Malden has a growing Latin

08:52American community and indigenous

08:54nations that may not fit neatly into the

08:56term Hispanic. We recognize both

08:58Hispanic and broader Latin American

09:00cultures such as Brazil, Guana, Jamaica,

09:04Haiti, and Puerto Rico and more.

09:09Whereas Hispanic, Latino, and Afro

09:11Latino Americans are essential and a

09:13growing part of the United States

09:15population, representing approximately

09:17one in five Americans and contributing

09:19to the nation's culture, civic, and

09:21economic strength. And

09:24whereas Malden is strengthened by its

09:27diversity and the contributions of

09:28Hispanic and Latino/Latinx

09:31residents, families, workers, educators,

09:34union organizers, artists,

09:37entrepreneurs, community leaders, and

09:39public servants help make our city a

09:41welcoming and vibrant place to live.

09:45Whereas the city of Modern is committed

09:47to promoting inclusion, equity, respect,

09:49and understanding among all residents

09:51while honoring the many cultures and

09:53traditions that compromise our

09:54community. And

09:56>> now,

09:58>> oh, sorry. Did your light go off?

10:00>> Yeah, that was me.

10:01>> That's okay. Now therefore, be it

10:04proclaimed that the city of Malden,

10:06Massachusetts, do hereby recognize and

10:09proclaim September 15th through October

10:1215th as Hispanic Heritage Month in the

10:15city of Malden. Thank you so much.

10:22So, thank you so much. Um, I'm not sure

10:25if folks have anything they have any

10:27questions or want to say. Otherwise,

10:28like we talked about, there's some

10:30goodies. Um, we would like to get a

10:32picture. Sorry. First of course, and

10:33then we'll break. Um, and you all are

10:36free to go home. Oh, there we go.

10:37>> Okay, great. Well, I see one light from

10:39Councelor Simmonelli. You have the

10:40floor.

10:41>> There you council president. Sorry,

10:43councelor Condon. I did say I wasn't

10:45speaking tonight, but

10:48>> yeah, we did talk about this. Council

10:51Taylor, I promise I will not speak for

10:54the rest of the night after this, but

10:56>> believe it when I see it.

10:57>> Yes, it is. Well, where I'm a graduate

10:59of Baldi and my daughter was a graduate

11:02from the vocational school and now I'm

11:04the raspy voice that you hear in the gym

11:07today at Balden Catholic

11:10and probably don't recognize me with

11:11this tie on. And I just want to commend

11:14you all uh for coming up here tonight

11:17and um

11:20sticking to the culture and the heritage

11:22of the Spanish population in this

11:25community and every population for that

11:26matter. But for tonight is for the

11:28Spanish population. And I want to thank

11:30Glattus Rogers who's out there today

11:32because I know she's been a big

11:34proponent for years now on the uh

11:36Spanish uh heritage month. And I want to

11:39thank uh Councelor Hayes too for uh

11:41bringing you guys up here tonight. It's

11:43can't be really easy. I'm sure you guys

11:45got other better things to do than look

11:47at our potato faces up here on this

11:50council. So I just want to say thank you

11:52and I appreciate you guys coming up here

11:54in URG. You too as well. I know you work

11:56with these children on a daily basis. So

11:59I again I just want to say thank you for

12:01coming up here and it's it's brave for

12:02you to do that. Uh and uh you guys have

12:06great futures ahead of you. So, thank

12:07you very much. Sorry, Paul. Thank you.

12:10>> Thank you, Councelor Simonelli. All

12:12right. Should we take a quick recess and

12:13take a photo?

12:14>> Thank you.

12:35He asked me to take the picture.

12:37>> I take the P. Okay, everybody's got to

12:40squeeze in. Okay, everybody's got to

12:42squeeze.

12:49Um,

12:53>> some people got to take this. Uh, I

12:56think some people need to go to the

12:57second step.

13:01>> Some folks go to the second step.

13:03>> Yeah.

13:05>> Okay. Yeah, maybe some on the second

13:07step because I can't

13:28All right.

13:37>> All right.

13:55Yes.

14:24We're watching you.

14:33tried.

14:46>> Where did everybody go? How How did we

14:48lose so many people?

14:51>> There's food.

15:02Okay, we're back in order.

15:04>> Yes, we are.

15:06>> Next item is public comment.

15:07>> We do not have anybody signed up this

15:09evening for public comment.

15:11>> Okay, so we can skip public comment.

15:13Next item is our consent agenda. This

15:15evening's consent agenda consists of

15:17meeting minutes to be approved as well

15:19as two petitions that we will be

15:21referring to the license committee. Does

15:23anybody have a desire to remove any of

15:25these items from the consent agenda for

15:27the purpose of further discussion?

15:30Okay. Hearing none, seeing none, do I

15:32have a motion to approve the consent

15:33agenda on a motion by councelor Leong,

15:35seconded by councelor Winslow. All in

15:38favor?

15:39>> Any opposed?

15:41Okay, the agenda is approved. Next order

15:43of business,

15:44>> paper 382-26,

15:45mayoral appointment Michelle Ferguson,

15:4743 Boston Street, Malden, as a full

15:49member of the planning board, said term

15:51to commence upon confirmation by the

15:53city council and to expire March 1st,

15:562031.

15:58>> Okay. Councelor Crow,

16:00>> since this is a really a new

16:02appointment, although Michelle in May of

16:042025 was appointed to the planning board

16:07as an associate member, but is our

16:09practice usually to bring in the the new

16:11appointments? It's technically a new

16:13appointment. So, I'm going to refer that

16:15to um committee.

16:17>> Okay. So, that's a motion to refer to

16:19personnel and appointments.

16:21>> Yes.

16:22>> Okay. Second. I heard councelor Taylor.

16:25All in favor? Oh, we need a roll call.

16:27Wait, no, we only need roll call to

16:28confirm. I I'm sorry. All in favor? I.

16:31Any opposed?

16:32>> Okay, that is referred to personal and

16:34appointments. Next order of business.

16:35>> Paper 383-26.

16:37Mayoral reappoint Lisa Picardi of 18

16:39Philip Street Malden as a member of the

16:40disability commission said term to

16:43commence upon confirmation by the city

16:44council and to expire September 20th,

16:472029.

16:49>> Okay. Councelor Crow.

16:50>> Thank you, Madam President. Again, as I

16:53just said that usually on the

16:54reappoints, Michelle has been appointed

16:56to the Disabilities Commission for a

16:57little bit. She's done um a lot of work.

17:00So, um we just approve them on the

17:03floor. So, I make a motion that we

17:04approve um Lisa's appointment to the

17:06Disabilities Commission.

17:08>> Okay. On a motion by Councelor Crow,

17:09seconded by Councelor Simelli.

17:12>> All in favor?

17:14>> I.

17:15>> Now, sorry, I did it backwards both

17:17times.

17:18>> I'm just warming up tonight. I'll get

17:20it.

17:20>> There you go.

17:21>> All right, we'll do a roll call vote.

17:25>> You put me off my game.

17:27>> Yes.

17:28>> Stay quiet and we'll be fine.

17:31Council

17:33Clone Hayes,

17:35>> yes.

17:35>> Council Condan,

17:36>> Council Crow, yes.

17:37>> Council Lewong, yes.

17:38>> Council McDonald, Council Ali,

17:42>> Council Mali is not in the chamber.

17:44>> Council Simonelli,

17:45>> Council Taylor,

17:46>> yes.

17:47>> Council Winslow, Council President

17:48Lahan,

17:49>> yes.

17:49>> Okay, so that confirmation has been

17:51passed.

17:51>> Okay, next order of business.

18:01One second. Council McDonald.

18:04>> Yeah, just as a point of order, I you

18:06know, council, feel free to disagree,

18:08but I would just think you could I

18:10expect these papers, we might choose to

18:12refer these to committee. We might be

18:13able to just kind of read them and

18:15discuss them together and take a vote on

18:16that before

18:17>> on the six papers.

18:19>> Yeah.

18:20>> All of them do kind of go hand in hand

18:22and we can read them together for

18:23>> then we can discuss them and outline

18:25what they are and then just kind of

18:26>> that is absolutely fine with

18:27>> refer together. So the first two papers

18:29coming together, paper 384-26

18:32order, that the Malden City Council,

18:34pursuant to the authority granted under

18:36Massachusetts General Law, chapter 44,

18:38section 53F and 1/2, hereby adopts the

18:42local option to establish a solid waste

18:44enterprise fund beginning with the

18:46fiscal year 2028 for the purpose of

18:49separately accounting for the revenues,

18:50expenditures, assets, liabilities, and

18:52retained earnings associated with the

18:54city's solid waste management program.

18:57and in accompanying paper 385-26

19:01be ordained by the Malden city council

19:03that the code of the city of Malden

19:05title three revenue and finance is

19:07hereby amended by adding 3.05 05 solid

19:10waste enterprise fund.

19:15>> Do you want to we can

19:17>> I can just introduce this.

19:19>> We can do the next as a

19:20>> kind of have to do with other funds. So

19:22maybe we just do one type at a time.

19:23Okay.

19:24>> Yeah, let's do a type at a time. That's

19:25good. Councelor Winsow. Yeah, I know um

19:27in the past um as we've you know uh

19:30talked about um our our deficit related

19:33our solid waste uh funding that one of

19:36the things we called on as a council is

19:38to consider setting up um solid waste

19:41enterprise fund and my understanding is

19:43at some point we did actually have that

19:45and there was a decision to go away from

19:47that because um you know the revenues

19:50were less than the um uh our cost so it

19:53didn't really make sense to set that up

19:54but you know as we um are looking at and

19:57and we'll talk about the other um funds

20:00that getting established. Um there's

20:03just a thought this maybe we're going to

20:04take a different approach to our

20:05finances to make clear um that. So this

20:09is just um a paper you know we have to

20:11under state law we have to actually uh

20:13you know adopt the option. So that's

20:15kind of the first thing. So I think we

20:17do have to vote on the order right. So

20:18>> right we have to adopt the order first.

20:20>> Do do we think we should vote on that

20:22and then refer the second paper or

20:24should we just order doesn't pass, you

20:26have nothing to refer really. So,

20:27>> okay.

20:28>> So, we need a motion to adopt the order

20:30first.

20:30>> So, I guess the first thing we I would

20:32do is make a motion to adopt the order

20:34so we can at least then um even consider

20:37having an ordinance to establish that.

20:40So,

20:40>> okay. So, on a motion by councelor

20:42Winsow, seconded by councelor Simonelli

20:46>> to adopt the order. Yes, we can

20:48absolutely have discussion. Did you want

20:49to speak to this council McDonald or did

20:51you want to

20:52>> Okay, councelor Ali, you have the floor.

20:54Um, well, first I'd like to be added as

20:55a co-sponsor to both papers, 384 and

20:58385.

20:59>> Okay.

20:59>> Um, I have no I mean, I'm willing to to

21:03adopt the order on the floor. Um, I I

21:05don't think that we necessarily have to

21:07do that to refer it and have the

21:09discussion, but um, yeah, I'm willing to

21:11do that. I support it. I want to be a

21:12co-sponsor, but if there's someone here

21:14who has hesitations for that, know that

21:17you can refer these things to committee.

21:19I'm not saying that's what we should do,

21:21but if I had reservations, I'd want to

21:23know I had that option. Um, so yeah,

21:25thank you.

21:26>> So I think that the thought is that the

21:27we would adopt the order and then refer

21:29the ordinance to uh maybe a joint

21:32finance and rules and ordinance

21:33committee. So so we just we want to do

21:35the order first though, right? That's so

21:38>> I mean I would agree with council if

21:40anybody does have hesitation want

21:41further discussion on it, you could

21:42refer them both together.

21:44>> Um but if 384 completely dies, you don't

21:47really need 385. I guess is what I was

21:49trying to say, but

21:51>> Yep. Understood. Yep.

21:52>> So,

21:52>> are you all set, Councilor Ali? Okay.

21:55Okay. So, we have a motion on the floor

21:56to adopt the order. We do not need a

21:59roll call. All in favor?

22:00>> I

22:01>> I. Any opposed? Okay. So, that is the

22:04order is adopted.

22:05>> And so, then I make a motion that we

22:06refer 38526 to a joint uh finance

22:10ordinance committee. So, yeah.

22:12>> Okay. On a motion by

22:15>> Yes. I'm so sorry, Councelor McDonald.

22:17Let me put on your light.

22:18>> Just super briefly, I just want to

22:20remind folks who might be watching this

22:22that we actually did vote on a

22:23resolution to do this that councelor

22:25Winsow had sponsored I think two years

22:27ago now. Um, and that when we talk about

22:31the deficit, the the the the trash

22:33deficit, the solid waste deficit, what

22:35we mean is that the money that we

22:37collect from the blue bags and the trash

22:40tags uh is not even half of what we

22:42spend on our frankly below market costs

22:45on trash. And so to be able to get a

22:48clearer handle on that, um, this allows

22:51us to put those pieces together in a way

22:54that we can report on consistently and

22:55that the public can see and discuss how

22:58how far we're willing to have those

22:59things go uh apart because right now

23:02we're projecting about 1.2 million in

23:04revenue um for those for for trash

23:06pickup this year and we're projected to

23:08spend 3.9 million. So that's a big it's

23:10a big gap. So that's why I just wanted

23:12to re recap that we had talked about

23:14this. I thank councelor Winslow for his

23:17leadership in getting us to this point.

23:19This series of papers are all ones that

23:21the kind of the administration has

23:22helped put up helped us put forward and

23:24and that those of us in specific roles

23:26are are carrying as as part of that. But

23:28um I would also like to be added as a as

23:30a co-sponsor to both papers.

23:32>> Okay. Thank you. Councelor McDonald,

23:35>> you want to speak to the paper or you

23:37want to be added as a sponsor?

23:38Absolutely. Um I've got that.

23:43>> Okay. Anybody else wishing to speak

23:45before we vote on the motion? Okay,

23:48seeing none, we have a motion by

23:50councelor Winslow, seconded by councelor

23:52Ali to refer this to a joint meeting of

23:54the finance and rules and ordinance

23:56committees. All in favor? I. Any

23:59opposed?

24:00>> Okay, that matter is referred.

24:03So the next three, yep, go together.

24:05paper 386-26

24:08order that the Malden City Council

24:10pursuant to the authority granted under

24:11Massachusetts General Law Chapter 40

24:14section 5B hereby adopts the local

24:16option to establish a general purpose

24:18stabilization fund. Paper 387-26.

24:22Order that the Malden City Council,

24:24pursuant to the authority granted under

24:25Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 40,

24:27Section 5B, hereby adopts the local

24:30option to establish a short-term capital

24:32needs special purpose stabilization fund

24:35and paper 388-26

24:38be it ordained by the Malden city

24:39council that the code of the city of

24:41Malden title 3 revenue and finance is

24:44hereby amended by adding 3.10 10 reserve

24:47and stabilization fund framework.

24:51>> Okay. Thank you. Um if did you want to

24:54speak to these or

24:56>> I do.

24:56>> Okay. No, I was just going to um for

24:59purposes of how we need to do this. So

25:00we have two the two that we need to

25:02adopt the order or have the option to

25:04adopt both orders and then could refer

25:07to either rules and ordinance or it

25:08could again refer to joint finance and

25:11rules and ordinance for discussion. And

25:13at that I'll give you the floor. Okay.

25:15Councelor McDonald.

25:16>> Yeah, thank you. Um, so let me just

25:18state the big picture and then I'll give

25:20you my perspective on on the referrals

25:22uh and the adoptions. The the the big

25:24picture similar to the previous on the

25:26previous disc the previous two papers uh

25:29we just discussed this is about creating

25:32more transparency in how our funds are

25:33used in a structural way. And one of the

25:36things that we heard consistently when

25:38we were talking with the public about

25:41the budget needs of the city in many of

25:43these forums about the tax override is

25:46what is the use of all of these quote

25:48cash reserves that are labeled as free

25:50cash because that's the term that we get

25:52from the state. And so what what we then

25:56had to communicate was that there are

25:57actually multiple purposes for this.

25:59There's your basic operating cash

26:00reserve. This is also what we use for

26:02capital projects. this is also what we

26:03use as a rainy day fund and all those

26:05things are in the same account and it's

26:06hard to pull them apart to just see what

26:08is there. So this is another place where

26:11the state creates a framework that we

26:12can opt into and it's and it and it's uh

26:16while we didn't do a resolution about

26:17this I don't think there was a lot of I

26:19just want to say there was a lot of like

26:20general consensus in the finance

26:22committee that this is worth exploring.

26:24Um, so I I would be um I I'm personally

26:29comfortable adopting the order to create

26:30the fund and then referring just like

26:32the other paper uh 38826 to a joint

26:35rules and ordinance and finance

26:36committee so everybody can be in that

26:38meeting and speak and have a vote on

26:40this in committee to talk about what

26:42that would look like. And uh this is a

26:45little different where we're managing

26:46money. We're we're we're dividing up an

26:48existing reserve rather than kind of

26:50looking at money coming in and going out

26:52every year like you do with an

26:53enterprise fund. but how that gets used

26:55and the rules around that and the

26:56expectations and what we think we need

26:58those that's really important

27:00conversation so I look forward to that

27:02um so that would be my recommendation

27:04>> okay thank you council McDonald and just

27:05before I take the other lights just for

27:07clarity so there's two orders one is for

27:10a general purpose stabilization fund the

27:12other is for short-term capital need

27:14stabilization fund the final paper that

27:17we're considering is to create this

27:18framework and for counselors that have a

27:20computer with them or who are inclined

27:22to prepare before we take it up in

27:25committee. If you look at the paper that

27:27has the framework that has the most text

27:29in it that explains more in depth about

27:32this the strategy of what we'd be doing

27:34here. In addition to that, um I think

27:37we'd be looking to as a next step look

27:40to create a a debt use policy paper.

27:43That would be kind of what would follow

27:44from this to get into a little bit more

27:46of or to expand on what councelor

27:48McDonald had started to speak about in

27:49terms of when you bond for things when

27:51you don't bond for things and use it out

27:53of existing funds just the strategy

27:55behind that and how we have that

27:57decision model of when we make those

27:59different decisions. Um so I will take

28:02councelor Ali next.

28:04>> I would like to be added as a co-sponsor

28:06to these papers. Um, and then I just

28:08wanted to clarify, I think this is

28:10really good that we're putting these

28:12things aside. Um, because then they

28:15won't have to be reappropriated every

28:16year and they can kind of grow. Um, and

28:19just to understand, I think for the

28:20public, basically we'd be taking money

28:22from our free cash savings account and

28:26putting them into these different

28:27specialized

28:29accounts. Is that the general

28:30understanding?

28:32>> That's correct. And they also have a

28:33higher vote threshold for us to spend

28:35from them. So free cash is majority for

28:37us to spend. I'm looking to Dan to

28:38confirm that that's true. That we need a

28:40twothirds. Okay. My understanding is

28:42that we need a two-thirds majority for

28:44the council to do spending from

28:45stabilization funds. So it's a little

28:47bit it's increased transparency of what

28:49you intend to use it for and it's a

28:51higher threshold for us to actually

28:52enact what we're going to spend it on.

28:55>> Do you want to come to the podium, Dan?

28:57Do you mind?

29:03>> Thank you so much.

29:04>> You're welcome. Uh so you're pretty much

29:05on point. The general stabilization fund

29:08would require uh a major a full 2/3

29:11versus the special stabilization or

29:14specific stabilization would require a

29:16simple majority. The idea being that the

29:18specific stabilization is for a specific

29:21purpose and you've already agreed that

29:23that's what your intent is. It would

29:24only require a majority to be able to

29:26spend money out of that. But the general

29:28fund or the general purpose

29:30stabilization would be similar to

29:32spending from uh the free cash.

29:35>> So yeah, fully in support. Definitely

29:37want to be added as a co-sponsor and I

29:38think it helps provide that stability so

29:41that you know um one council or one

29:44administration can't spend all the money

29:46>> right

29:47>> and leave the city in a financial mess

29:50for the next council or administration.

29:52So I don't I think it's really a great

29:54move that we're taking this up uh in a

29:57by

29:58camera roll organization not camel but

30:02the fact that this is being worked on

30:03between the council and the mayor and it

30:05will provide that long-term stability I

30:07think is really great. Thank you.

30:08>> Great. Thank you councelor Ali.

30:10Councelor Cologne Hayes.

30:12>> Uh yes thank you. I am also in full

30:14support of this paper. I think the

30:16transparency part really hit home. Um, I

30:19know we hear a lot in um, chatter out in

30:22the public about free cash. I So,

30:24another thing that wasn't mentioned, but

30:26I think it would make our free cash look

30:27more like not believable, but it it

30:31would be more accurate to, you know,

30:33where we're we're spending our money.

30:34Um, and I'm looking forward to hearing

30:37about the details in committee because

30:39I'm thinking we could do this um, with

30:42lots of other funds. So, I think this is

30:44a great idea. Um, thank you so much.

30:47>> Thank you, councelor Cologne Hayes.

30:48Councelor Winsow.

30:49>> Yeah. No. Um I would like to be added as

30:51a co-sponsor to these as well. And I

30:53think the timing is good because

30:54generally free cash would be certified

30:57in the next few months and to have these

30:59funds available so that we can allocate

31:01that money and put that aside. And one

31:04of the things I often say is like one of

31:06the things that you know at your

31:09household you might be able to do is put

31:10some expenses on a credit card or a home

31:13equity loan for a little bit. Um while

31:15you you maybe you're expecting some

31:17income we as a city you know come June

31:2130th every year we have to have a

31:23balanced budget and you know we have to

31:25budget you know for next year thinking

31:27it's balanced and at the end of the year

31:29we have to show that we did not spend

31:31more than we took in except sort of

31:34related to snow. So this is setting that

31:36up that we um we don't have a credit

31:38card or home equity line that we can tap

31:41in emergencies. we have to set that

31:43money aside and that's the confusion

31:45when we hold back something called free

31:47cash. We are in fact really just making

31:49sure we have the the reserves we need to

31:53you know deal with emergencies that come

31:55up. So, I think this is a a sensible uh

31:58strategy for the city and so I I'm very

32:00supportive of this so that we um really

32:03give the public a clearer perspective on

32:06um what we need to do um and and have

32:08practices on making sure that um we we

32:11are um thoughtful in how we spend these

32:14reserves and make sure we're we have

32:16that emergency funding set aside.

32:18Thanks.

32:19>> Thank you, Councelor Wel.

32:22Okay,

32:24that's okay.

32:25So, seeing no other lights, I'm looking

32:28for a motion to adopt the first order,

32:30which is the general purpose

32:31stabilization fund.

32:33>> Okay. On a motion by council McDonald,

32:35seconded by councelor Simonelli. All in

32:38favor?

32:39>> I. Any opposed? Okay. That order is

32:42adopted.

32:44Do we have a motion for the short-term

32:46capital needs special purpose

32:48stabilization fund? We're looking for a

32:49vote to adopt the order. Motion by

32:51councelor Simonelli, seconded by

32:53councelor Cologne Hayes. All in favor?

32:55I. Any opposed? Okay. The order is

32:58adopted.

33:01>> Next, we'd be looking for a motion to

33:03refer I heard to a joint finance and

33:05rules and ordinance.

33:08>> Okay. Motion by councelor Ali, seconded

33:10by councelor Winslow. All in favor?

33:14>> I. Any opposed? That is referred. Thank

33:17you all very much.

33:21Next order of business.

33:24Two more papers together. Paper 389-26.

33:28Order that the Malden City Council,

33:30pursuant to the authority granted under

33:31Massachusetts General Law Chapter 40,

33:33hereby ratifies the public works

33:35commission's 2008 adoption of the local

33:37options of sections 42A through 42F as

33:42they pertain to water sewer collection,

33:43abatement, appeal, and leans. In

33:46conjunction with said sections, a record

33:48of certificate of acceptance shall be

33:50filed with the Middle Sex South Registry

33:52of Deeds and certified copies of the

33:54recorded certificate shall be issued to

33:56the treasur collector, Department of

33:58Public Works, Water Division, and any

33:59other relevant city departments and also

34:03we have paper 390-26

34:06be it ordained by the Malden city

34:08council that the code of the city of

34:09Malden 11.20.0308a 030A water bills

34:14annual inspection of premises is hereby

34:17amended by striking at least once each

34:19year and replaced with monthly.

34:23>> Okay, I'll go to councelor Winsow for

34:25the first paper. Um yeah. So again,

34:29similar to um well, I think what this is

34:32order is just doing is you know the

34:34public works commission um has been

34:37following the practices by state law,

34:39but we may not as a council have

34:42officially adopted those. So this is

34:45just taking that step so that we um are

34:48consistent with state law, but these are

34:49practices that have been ongoing for a

34:52long time. So, we're just making sure

34:54we're making a making our

34:59our actions as council as a city

35:01consistent with law because that the

35:03city has to council has to accept that

35:06law, not not the public works

35:07commission. So, it's just we're making

35:09sure that these collection practices by

35:12us adopting them are are official. And I

35:15mean I guess we should also in making

35:17this order that any actions since 2008

35:20we acknowledge as a city council we uh

35:23affirm those actions for whatever are

35:25consistent with our intent. So um so

35:27that that I would just recommend that we

35:29um you know adopt this order and affirm

35:32the actions of uh our city in uh since

35:352008

35:37as consistent with the law.

35:40>> Okay. I see a light from councelor Ali.

35:42You have the floor. I would likely like

35:44to be added as a co-sponsor, but I feel

35:46like I I need to understand this more

35:48before voting on it. It sounds a little

35:50complicated and you're asking us to

35:52ratify

35:54uh like almost 20 years of things. So I

35:59I personally

36:00>> withdraw that part then if that's going

36:02to

36:02>> Yeah. No, no. I mean, I would be willing

36:03to do that. I just want to understand it

36:05more. So, I probably would be added as a

36:08co-sponsor, probably would do everything

36:09you're asking, but I just think that I

36:12personally have to do my due diligence

36:13to understand what is being asked and I

36:16don't fully grasp it based on this

36:17paragraph.

36:18>> So, that's might ask Dan to come back to

36:21the podium. Sorry.

36:22>> So, my only concern is that it does say

36:24ratify in the order. So, I want to make

36:26sure that we're clear on what we're

36:27doing. Dan, do you mind coming back just

36:29to

36:31explain?

36:37>> I'll do what I can.

36:38>> Thank you.

36:40>> Um, so this is both 389 and 390 are

36:46really to clean up some of the things

36:47that the clerk and I have found that may

36:50have not been recorded in the past. In

36:532008, the Department of Public Works in

36:56conjunction with the city council

36:57adopted to go from annual bills, I'm

37:01sorry, from quarterly to monthly. Part

37:02of that was the adoption of 42A through

37:0542F. Uh

37:07the Secretary of State does not have a

37:10section where all adopted orders um are

37:15recorded. Unfortunately, only certain

37:18ones are listed there, like if you adopt

37:21a meals tax or marijuana excise or some

37:23some of those things. So, this is a

37:25matter of us being able to record it

37:27because it was not recorded at this

37:29registry of deeds, which is where this

37:31needs to be recorded. So, this

37:33>> vote is to this order is to allow us to

37:36update our orders and then appropriately

37:39record it because it has not been done

37:41in 2008. It's really a cleanup item. Um,

37:44and then the 390 related to that is just

37:47to make it clear to our constituents.

37:48There's been conversations in the past

37:50about should we go to quarterly billing.

37:52If you look at the ordinances, if you're

37:55a constituent, you read it, you say,

37:56well, you're only billing, you should

37:57only be billing once a year, even though

37:59it says at least annually. Uh, that's

38:03just to make it clean and clear as to

38:04what we actually do on a month, which is

38:07on a monthly basis. I don't know if that

38:09helps clarify.

38:12>> Yes, of course.

38:13So when you say um recorded at the

38:16registry of deeds, normally you're

38:18recording a deed at the registry of

38:20deeds. Are you saying they have a

38:21separate registry for things that cities

38:24and towns have accepted?

38:26>> Yes, there's a section called

38:28certificates and you would record the

38:30certificate. So typically if you have an

38:34adoption of something like an excise tax

38:37or you know the marijuana excise tax for

38:40example you file that with the secretary

38:42of state and then the clerk would file

38:44that with the secretary of state and

38:45then they keep that record and it's

38:47available to search and for everybody. A

38:51lot of the other orders don't get a lot

38:53of the other adoptions are not kept by

38:56the secretary of state on some sort of

38:57public platform. These ones in

39:00particular are recorded at the registry

39:01of deeds through a certificate. There's

39:03a number of other certificates that you

39:05would file. I can't speak to any one

39:07specifically because I haven't had to

39:08deal with that. But we found that we had

39:10not recorded that and this is, you know,

39:13to your point close to 20 years and it's

39:16a matter of just trying to clean up what

39:18what we found.

39:19>> Okay.

39:20>> Thank you.

39:21>> Are you all set, Councelor Ali?

39:24>> Okay. Uh go to councelor Winslow.

39:27>> Yeah. Just, you know, just another

39:30further context. Um, you know, if if

39:32everybody remembers back in the 1990s,

39:35you know, M MW was formed, the cleanup

39:38of the Boston Harbor was happening. U

39:40back then mold and water bills were

39:42quarterly. um because of the cost of you

39:45know paying for all the the work at Deer

39:48Island and all that, our rates went up

39:50and the decision of the city was to make

39:53it a little less, you know, having this

39:55shocking bill go from, you know, $50 a

39:58quarter to $150 a quarter um to spread

40:02it out as a monthly payment. So that was

40:05the decision. So that's kind of what I

40:07guess eventually happened in 2008. So

40:09but prior to that time, water bills were

40:11quarterly, but because of the increase

40:13in rates caused by, you know, the

40:16cleanup of the Boston Harbor, um the

40:18decision was to make it a little easier

40:20for people to um you know, handle those

40:22bills as a monthly bill. Um rather than

40:25getting this surprise, oh, I got to come

40:27up with a, you know, all of a sudden a

40:28bill I don't budget well. So, that's

40:30really what happened. And and I guess

40:32somehow that paperwork didn't get to the

40:34right spot. And you know, sometimes the

40:36other thing that happens is, and I don't

40:38know what we do, but um if there's

40:40there's state laws we've adopted,

40:42sometimes they're even in our

40:44ordinances. So, I don't know if this is

40:45the type of thing we did that, but I can

40:47understand somehow this paperwork didn't

40:49happen. So, that's really is just trying

40:51to clean up some technical, you know,

40:54issues that came up and uh so that's

40:56really what it is. It's it's um you

40:58know, this is all really just getting

41:00our paperwork in order going forward. So

41:02that's really um Okay. Just thanks Dan

41:05for bringing this forward. Thanks.

41:06>> Thank you councelor Winszo. Councelor

41:08McDonald.

41:09>> Yeah. Thank you. Uh I just wanted to

41:11clarify councelor Winsow in your

41:12explanation of this you said ratify the

41:14pre the prior decisions. I don't read

41:16that in this order. I just hear that we

41:19ratify the fact that they didn't they

41:21did adopt it because the law says that

41:23that ratification authority is the city

41:26councils or the town meetings. So I I

41:31don't I don't understand this paper as

41:34passing any particular judgment on prior

41:36decisions of the public works commission

41:40as much as having it be clear that we

41:43intend that all those decisions were in

41:45fact valid. Um am I understanding that

41:49correctly or is there additional

41:50language that's needed compared to this

41:52order?

41:53>> Second. Go ahead councelor Wenzo. Yeah,

41:55I you know I just sometimes what happens

41:57when an action is taken by maybe your

42:00agent as a client and you're a

42:04corporation and then it comes to the the

42:06board to approve that sometimes you

42:07affirm that as a way so I don't know if

42:10legal office wants to but that was kind

42:12of my suggestion that you know if if we

42:15are trying to

42:16>> were you suggesting adding an like

42:18amending the order

42:20>> I was suggesting that I I don't think we

42:22have to do that I didn't want to

42:23complicate that but you It's there is a

42:26way that sometimes when a you know

42:29someone who has agency for an

42:30organization um sort of signs something

42:34or commits something that a board then

42:36has to approve you you kind of affirm

42:38that action after the fact that is

42:40allowable. That's a legal action you can

42:41do. We don't have to do that tonight.

42:43Um, I didn't want to complicate it, but

42:45it's just again another little tiding

42:47tidying up the thing you might do as a,

42:50you know, a council to just say that's

42:52basically we accept that this is what

42:55the city was doing since 2008 and

42:58whatever that was, we we accept it. It

43:00is, you know, usually it's not so it's

43:03not 20 years of stuff. So, I can

43:05understand council's concern. So I I

43:08just withdraw that suggestion and you we

43:11just should just adopt the order and

43:13then my suggestion on the ordinance is

43:15that we we um you know enroll that even

43:18tonight. I don't think it needs to be

43:19referred to committee or whatever. So

43:21and maybe even think of adopting it

43:23tonight, but we don't have to rush it if

43:25council wants to take another week to

43:27look into it or whatever.

43:28>> Okay. I do see councelor Ali's light on.

43:30So I'm going to go back one more time.

43:31Councelor Ali.

43:32>> Yeah. And I think councelor McDonald

43:33kind of in in questioning what was going

43:37on helped. So it sounds like the

43:41public works commission did a thing that

43:43maybe they didn't have the authority to

43:45do and it should have been done by the

43:47city council and that's why we're doing

43:49this now because I know that for

43:50instance like the board of health can do

43:53certain stuff without our like they did

43:54the smokefree generation. they didn't

43:57need to come to us. And so figuring out

43:59where and when certain commissions can

44:02do what. Um so yeah, I mean I probably

44:04fully support this. I just think that

44:06out of respect for all of the colleagues

44:08here, we're being asked to do something,

44:10but I don't think we all fully grasp

44:12what we're actually doing. But if if

44:14that's what we're doing is we're

44:15basically saying, "Hey, this happened

44:18and we're trying to correct it, great."

44:21Um, I just think it it would be helpful

44:23to not have this conversation on the

44:25floor like this, but more I mean we have

44:28a public works public properties

44:30committee. This probably would be a good

44:31place to have that conversation. But

44:33again, I'm not going to hold it up um

44:36because it's already happening now for

44:3818 years. Um, but I think better

44:41explaining what we're doing and what is

44:43the reasoning behind it. I think you

44:45tried to do that, but um, it wasn't

44:46quite clear that this this had to be

44:49adopted by the city council.

44:51No, I I I appreciate Dan stepping up. I

44:54I should have asked for that to begin

44:56with. So, he was a little more clear. He

44:58he he brought this to the to the

44:59council. So, and so I my name was

45:02attached to it, but I appreciate Dan

45:04having that explanation and taking the

45:05work to make sure we have your tease

45:08cross audit. That's really what it's

45:10just making because sometimes it comes

45:11up as as an issue when you're trying to

45:13collect money or you go to the registry

45:15and you know if people don't pay their

45:18water bill it becomes a lean on their

45:20property and and it may come up as a

45:21court issue. So it's just making sure

45:23that you some savvy lawyer says oh I

45:26don't have to pay this bill because the

45:27city council never adopted that law. So

45:30it's just making the collections job

45:32that much more clear and not allow you

45:34know having this whole set of

45:36collections suddenly called into

45:37question. So it's just trying to clear

45:39up any legal issue as to particularly

45:42future stuff. The money that we've

45:43collected is what we collected. But um

45:45>> so so there's two things that we need to

45:47do. We need a a motion to adopt this

45:50order which will then affectuate this

45:52being recorded at the registry. Correct

45:54Dan? And then subsequent to that we need

45:56to actually vote on the change to our

45:58ordinances that will simply reflect the

46:01fact that we already collect monthly

46:03water bills. Yeah. Is that okay?

46:05>> Yeah.

46:06Is everybody comfortable? I understand

46:08not everybody might support it, but is

46:09everybody comfortable with what we have

46:10to do?

46:11>> Yeah.

46:11>> Okay. Do I have a motion to adopt the

46:14first order?

46:14>> I'll make that motion to adopt the

46:16order.

46:16>> Okay. Councelor Winsow made that order.

46:17I mean that that motion to adopt the

46:19order. Seconded by councelor Cologne

46:21Hayes. All in favor?

46:23>> I

46:24>> I. Any opposed?

46:26>> Okay. So, that order is adopted. So then

46:30I make a motion to enroll

46:33um the ordinance with that change to

46:36replace at least once a year to two with

46:38monthly. So paper 390 26 I make a

46:42motion.

46:43>> Sorry I'm on the wrong

46:43>> enroll. I don't think it needs to be

46:45referred to. I think it's just a

46:47technical correction.

46:49>> So motion

46:52to enroll 390-26.

46:57Any discussion or second?

46:59Seconded by councelor Taylor.

47:03>> All in favor?

47:04>> I need a roll call.

47:06>> Oh, sorry. I forgot. My bad.

47:07>> Council Cologne Hayes. Yes.

47:09>> Council Condan.

47:10>> Yes.

47:10>> Council Crow. Yes.

47:11>> Council Lewong. Yes.

47:12>> Council McDonald. Yes.

47:14>> Council Ali. Yes.

47:15>> Council Simonelli. Council Taylor. Yes.

47:17>> Council Winsow.

47:18>> Yes.

47:18>> Council President Lahan.

47:20>> Yes.

47:20>> Okay. That has been Okay, that has been

47:22enrolled. I had thought maybe we might

47:23want to ordain tonight, but let's take,

47:25you know, a couple weeks and let it sit

47:27and we can ordain it two weeks from now

47:29in case any more questions come up. So,

47:31>> that sounds fine.

47:32>> All right, let's

47:33>> Okay. Thank you, counselor.

47:34>> Great. Byebye.

47:37>> You don't have to go home.

47:46>> Unfortunately, we have two or three more

47:48pages.

47:52Next order of business.

47:59>> All right, hang on. Bear with me just

48:01for a minute, please.

48:05Okay, so the next four papers are

48:08finance papers. There's one that kind of

48:10stands alone and then there's a mayoral

48:12memo that accompanies the other three.

48:16So, why don't we do paper 391 first and

48:18then I'll read the mayor's memo.

48:20Yeah, I think that sounds fine. Let's do

48:22that.

48:22>> So, paper 391-26

48:25order that the sum of 20

48:2866,1746660

48:32is appropriated from the TNC

48:35searchcharge municipal distribution

48:36account to cover the following expenses

48:39and those are listed in the body of the

48:40paper which I can bring up.

48:42>> Okay, great.

48:44>> Not necessary.

48:46>> Okay, thank you.

48:47>> Okay, councelor McDonald. Yes. So this

48:51paper uh needs to be referred to the

48:53finance committee and this is the annual

48:58um funding we get from ride shares.

49:02There's a little sir charge if you I

49:04guess pick up or drop off in Molton and

49:06this is true for all municipalities and

49:08so we use this for specific projects.

49:10So, we'll get to hear from our city

49:11engineer about what's the plan to use

49:13the money this year. And so, um, this

49:16yes, this is this is a little more

49:18generous than sometimes it's been in the

49:19past. So, look forward to hearing about

49:21that and, uh, make a motion to refer to

49:23the finance committee.

49:24>> Second.

49:25>> Okay. Any discussion? Seeing none on a

49:27motion by councelor McDonald, seconded

49:29by councelor Winsow to refer to finance.

49:31All in favor?

49:32>> I. Any opposed? That is referred to

49:34finance.

49:36>> Okay. Okay. So, we'll take up the

49:37>> Do you want to read the papers first?

49:39>> Um, let's read the papers and then the

49:41memo.

49:41>> So, paper 392-26.

49:44Order that the sum of $400,000 is

49:46transferred from human resource group

49:49insurance miscellaneous to the Malden

49:51Public School Department. Paper 393-26.

49:55order that $1,292,045

49:59of the funds that remain available from

50:01the adopted appropriation order

50:04authorized by paper 139 series of 2023

50:08relative to the Roosevelt Park

50:09Revitalization Project be repurposed to

50:12pay costs of the Malden River Works

50:14Project. Paper 394-26

50:18order that 938,174.50

50:2350 cents of the funds from the adopted

50:25appropriation order authorized by paper

50:27140 series of 2023

50:30relative to the Roosevelt Park

50:32revitalization project of which are no

50:34longer needed to complete the project

50:36for which it was borrowed be transferred

50:38to pay costs of the Malden River Works

50:40project in accordance with the

50:42provisions of MGL chapter 44 subsection

50:4620. And then the memo that came down

50:49from Mayor Christensen's office today

50:52reads as follows. Regarding information

50:54on papers 392, 393, and 394. I submit

50:58this memo to provide additional

50:59information regarding three docketed

51:01items on this week's agenda. I hope this

51:03will assist the finance committee in its

51:05discussion. First, I have sent down a

51:07transfer request for $400,000 from the

51:10health insurance account to the Malden

51:12public schools. Each year by the end of

51:14September, we complete an analysis of

51:16our compliance with net school spending

51:18for the most recently completed fiscal

51:21year. For FY2026, that calculation

51:24indicates a shortfall of approximately

51:26$400,000.

51:28It is our goal each year to budget to

51:30the net school spending requirement, but

51:32with significant variations in insurance

51:34and transportation cost yearbyear. We

51:38will likely be in a situation where we

51:39have a makeup payment after the actuals

51:42are calculated. We are at that point for

51:44fiscal year 26 and I am recommending we

51:47make the transfer now from the budgeted

51:48health insurance account.

51:51Next, there are two items related to the

51:53funding needed to complete the Malden

51:54Riverworks project. As you know, this

51:56project has been funded entirely through

51:58grants and outside funds to date. And

52:01the team has done amazing work securing

52:03funds as costs have increased. We have

52:05now reached a point, however, where the

52:07funding to complete the vertical

52:09construction components, the boat house

52:11and the salt shed, is insufficient and

52:14requires an additional source of funds.

52:16Anyone who has visited the site can see

52:19substantial improvements not only with

52:20the new park, but also throughout the

52:22DPW yard and surrounding area. As a

52:25result, it is appropriate that the city

52:27share some of the cost even if our goal

52:30was to avoid doing so. I am therefore

52:32recommending that we reappropriate funds

52:34remaining from the canceled Roosevelt

52:36project. To be clear, these funds are

52:40not part of the funding for the

52:41currently planned work at Roosevelt

52:43Park. Reappropriating them is the most

52:46prudent option as compared to initiating

52:49a new borrowing or drawing from

52:51reserves. I anticipate that in committee

52:54you will invite the relevant city staff

52:55with expertise in these areas and I'm

52:58confident they will be able to answer

52:59any additional questions you may have.

53:01Thank you in advance for your

53:02consideration.

53:04>> Okay. Thank you councelor McDonald for

53:06the papers.

53:08>> Yeah. So just to you know last things

53:11first we are going I'm going to

53:12recommend make a motion that we refer

53:14these to the finance committee for

53:15further discussion of course as the

53:16mayor requests and that these are papers

53:19who that regardless of my position my

53:22personal opinion about them they're

53:24under my name because I'm the finance

53:25chair. So just just to be clear about

53:27all of those things as usual. Um, I I

53:29just wanted to make a a couple of quick

53:31points for folks since this touches on a

53:34couple of of issues that have been

53:36attracted a fair amount of public

53:37attention and and fairly. So, the first

53:39is that on this net school spending, I

53:42just want to say very briefly, this is

53:45the state's calculation saying this is

53:47how much you have to spend on your

53:48schools. And most cities and towns and

53:50districts spend, you know, more than

53:52that. Malden is every year just trying

53:54to keep up. And we have a calculation

53:56that we do. We may remember that last

53:58year there was an error in that

54:00calculation in the report that we sent

54:01to the state. So while we didn't have

54:03any actual liability and no money

54:05changed hands, it was concerning. I do

54:07want to note we discussed this in a

54:08finance committee meeting not that long

54:10ago and um we also received a memo that

54:13was distributed to the council uh from

54:16the CFO about process changes to make

54:18sure that that error doesn't happen

54:20again in calculating this this

54:22obligation to the city. So I'm sure we

54:25will talk about that uh that report and

54:28the process there and and get into more

54:31detail about this but again this is for

54:32the past year that's already happened.

54:34So this is money we are legal legally

54:37required to spend um and we just need to

54:39make sure that our estimate is correct.

54:41For the other two things, I just want to

54:43say quickly, the 393 um 26 paper is

54:47repurposing funds that were appropriated

54:49from cash and the 39426 paper is

54:52reappropriating funds that had been

54:53bonded. And Dan, am I correct that these

54:55this money had already in fact been

54:57bonded,

54:58>> right? And so bonded money in

55:00particular, once we bond it, we have to

55:02spend it um because if we don't spend

55:05bonded money, it can affect our ability

55:07to do future borrowing. Um, so it's

55:09really important that we find an

55:10appropriate or comparable kind of

55:12project to use money that is being

55:13bonded um, if we don't need it for its

55:16original purpose. Um, I'm going to ask

55:18that we just get a quick update in that

55:20committee meeting as well about the

55:22costs and status of the Roosevelt Park

55:23project which has started and you you

55:26know if you've been down there you can

55:27see they've been doing some site prep

55:29work. They're just have the last I heard

55:31is they're you know trying to make sure

55:32that the contaminated soil has a place

55:34to go. um which you know like nobody's

55:38like yeah I really want that

55:39contaminated soil. So um that I think

55:42that's the latest and greatest in that

55:44but we'll make sure that we get an

55:45update of that as well. Um and uh I

55:49think those are the things that I had.

55:50So we will probably try to do this as as

55:52promptly as possible because I know

55:54these are these are urgent issues. So

55:56I'll make a motion to refer to the

55:58finance committee if there's other

55:59things that folks want to ask at this

56:01point or make sure that we have the

56:03chance to discuss in finance. Please let

56:05me know or just feel free to email Chuck

56:07or Maria or um as you need. Thanks.

56:10>> Okay, great. Uh have one light for

56:12discussion, councelor Winsow.

56:14>> Yeah, I just I think we should we should

56:15also be able to give an update on the

56:17what's going on with the boat house and

56:18salt salt shed as well. So, great.

56:20Thanks for

56:21>> Yeah, absolutely. Um so, are you wanting

56:23to refer these as a batch or do you want

56:24to take them up one by one?

56:27>> Okay. On a motion.

56:28>> Happy to second them all as a batch.

56:30>> Yep. Does that sound good? Okay. On a

56:31motion by councelor McDonald, seconded

56:33by councelor Crow to refer to finance.

56:37All in favor?

56:38>> I. Any opposed? Okay. Those papers are

56:41referred.

56:43Paper 395-26

56:45be ordained by the Malden city council

56:47that the code of the city of Malden

56:482.16.150A

56:51transportation commission established is

56:53hereby amended by adding or their design

56:57after the words chief of police.

57:00>> Okay. Thank you. So this one's under my

57:02name. This actually comes down from the

57:03chief. This is a little bit of

57:04housekeeping. Um, as you probably all

57:06recall, we had made the charter change

57:09last year that puts this back in our

57:10ordinances, the makeup of the um, former

57:13traffic commission, now called the

57:15transportation commission. This would

57:16really just allow the chief to designate

57:18um, in this case, the lieutenant in

57:20charge of the traffic division to

57:22represent them on this commission as

57:24really the content expert, the person

57:25most versed in dealing with this issue

57:28dayto-day um, to go to those meetings

57:30every month. And so this would be

57:32changing the ordinance to make that

57:34possible, which is in fact the reason

57:35that we took it out of the charter and

57:37put this back in ordinance, so that we

57:38can make tweaks to the transportation

57:40commission. So this is a small change,

57:42but feels really good because it's the

57:44first time that we've done anything new

57:46to the transportation commission since

57:47we set it up. Um, so like I said, just a

57:50small housekeeping change. Um, I do see

57:51one light, so I'll take counselor

57:53Winslow.

57:54>> Yeah. No, I did talk to the chief today.

57:56He actually sent this up to uh, you

57:58know, council president Lahan and um,

58:00you know, he did explain that, you know,

58:02we have both the, you know, traffic

58:04captain, lieutenant that really going to

58:06be dedicated to working with the

58:07transportation commission and, you know,

58:10he he just would like to be able to um,

58:13rely on their expertise and um,

58:15leadership on this. So that that is

58:17good. And so and and the fact that I

58:19think the transportation commission is

58:21about to to to schedule its first

58:23meeting. I think it's there is a little

58:25bit it would be good to actually have

58:26this uh in effect as quickly as possible

58:29so that that transportation commission

58:31could be ready to start up on the you

58:34know its first meeting and as intended.

58:37So, so I would make a motion that we uh

58:39I don't think this needs to go to

58:41committee and I would make a

58:42recommendation that we um enroll it

58:45tonight and maybe even consider

58:46ordaining it tonight by suspending

58:48rules, but let's enroll at it first. So,

58:50thank you.

58:51>> Okay.

58:53>> So, on a motion, any further discussion?

58:55Motion by councelor Winslow, seconded by

58:57councelor Taylor to enroll.

59:00Uh we need a roll call for that.

59:03>> Oh, it was okay. Okay, we can

59:06roll.

59:08>> Understood. Okay, no problem. So, we can

59:10do a voice vote for that. All in favor?

59:13>> I. Any opposed?

59:15>> Okay. So, that is enrolled. Did you want

59:17to

59:18>> I make a motion that we suspend.

59:28>> Okay.

59:29>> Okay. So same on a motion by councelor

59:32Winsow, seconded by councelor Taylor to

59:34suspend the rules for the purposes of

59:36ordaining within the same meeting. We

59:38need a roll call for that. Correct.

59:40>> Council clone Hayes.

59:41>> Council Condan.

59:43>> Council Crow. Yes.

59:44>> Council Lewong.

59:45>> Yes.

59:45>> Council McDonald. Yes.

59:46>> Council Ali.

59:47>> Yes.

59:47>> Council Simoni is not present.

59:51>> Council Taylor.

59:53>> Council Winslow. Yes.

59:54>> Council President Lahan.

59:55>> Yes.

59:56>> Okay. So the rules have been suspended.

59:57>> Okay. The rules have been suspended. Do

59:59we have a motion to ordain?

1:00:03>> Okay. On a motion by councelor Winslow,

1:00:06seconded by councelor Cologne Hayes.

1:00:09We'll call the role.

1:00:20>> Council clone Hayes.

1:00:21>> Yes.

1:00:21>> Council Condan.

1:00:22>> Council Crow. Yes.

1:00:23>> Council Lew.

1:00:25>> Yes.

1:00:25>> Council McDonald.

1:00:26>> Yes.

1:00:26>> Council Mali.

1:00:27>> Yes. Council Simmonelli is not present.

1:00:30Council Taylor,

1:00:32>> Council Winsow, Council President Lenn.

1:00:35>> Yes,

1:00:38>> that has been ordained.

1:00:39>> Okay, that has been ordained. Thank you

1:00:41everyone. I look forward to finding out

1:00:43when their first meeting is going to be.

1:00:45It's exciting.

1:00:46Next order of business,

1:00:56paper 396-26

1:00:58be it ordained by the Malden city

1:01:00council that the code of the city of

1:01:01Malden 6.08.070F

1:01:04070F licensing of marijuana

1:01:06establishments is hereby amended by

1:01:09adding without first obtaining approval

1:01:11from the Cannabis Licensing and

1:01:13Enforcement Commission to the end of the

1:01:15section.

1:01:18>> Okay, Councelor Cologne Hayes for the

1:01:21paper. Thank you. Okay, thank you. So,

1:01:25um I'm sure you all remember um back

1:01:27when we had a conversation with uh DMS

1:01:29Trinity about we don't have a process to

1:01:31transfer licenses. So, um, Mr. Hogan,

1:01:35uh, reached out and we talked about this

1:01:37change really is, um, suggesting, um, to

1:01:41come up with a process and, uh, which is

1:01:43not unheard of about in businesses.

1:01:44Businesses, you know, sell businesses

1:01:46all the time, so we definitely need one.

1:01:48And, uh, they had met with the collect,

1:01:50um, the collect already. They're sort of

1:01:53waiting on us, um, to make it, um, okay,

1:01:58you know, the ordinance prevents the

1:02:00transfer. And without that ability,

1:02:03to transfer the special permit is

1:02:05effectively meaningless. So the language

1:02:07will change will allow the click to

1:02:09approve such a transfer and leaves it up

1:02:11to the click to define that what that

1:02:13process would look like. Um we did talk

1:02:15about that extensively um you know in

1:02:18the beginning of the summer. Nelson was

1:02:21I do not see him here, but Nelson was

1:02:22going to be here to speak more to this

1:02:24paper, but um I did speak with him today

1:02:27and I spoke with um Ron Hogan and this

1:02:30is something that they suggested that

1:02:32would make their life easier so we could

1:02:34either pass it on the floor or refer it

1:02:36to ordinance.

1:02:38>> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Hayes. I have

1:02:40first up councelor Ali.

1:02:42>> Yeah, I um I appreciate this. If um if I

1:02:45remember correctly, this is one of the

1:02:47reasons why um I voted against the

1:02:51transfer of the special permit. We

1:02:53hadn't really gone through fixing this

1:02:55first and I had wanted it to really go

1:02:57to click first for vetting before we did

1:02:59that. Um so I appreciate councelor Cone

1:03:02for helping us make this correction.

1:03:05Thank you.

1:03:06>> Thank you, Councelor Ali. Councelor

1:03:08Winsow. Yeah, I know in in that

1:03:11permitting, you know, uh special

1:03:13permitting review, we we did make that

1:03:15uh we that was a concern and I

1:03:18appreciate this being advanced and I am

1:03:20supportive of um doing this to clarify

1:03:22this. I mean, the the liquor licensing

1:03:24board, you know, this is a type of thing

1:03:26that happens all the time there. So, um

1:03:29you know, now that you know, it's been

1:03:31four or five years or longer since we

1:03:33have adopted the um click, you know,

1:03:35ordinance, I think this is a sensible

1:03:37thing. we know what the universe is and

1:03:40um the council doesn't necessarily need

1:03:41to get involved at that level of detail.

1:03:43Um the collect really has that expertise

1:03:45and focus in what they do. So I think

1:03:48this is a sensible thing to do. So I'm

1:03:49supportive and uh happy to um make a

1:03:52motion to um you know enroll tonight.

1:03:55Thanks. Great.

1:03:57>> Okay. So we have a motion by councelor

1:03:59Winslow to enroll. Do you want to second

1:04:01that? Okay. Seconded by councelor

1:04:03Cologne Hayes.

1:04:06>> All in favor? I

1:04:07>> I Any opposed?

1:04:10>> Oh, I'm so sorry, Councelor Mal. I

1:04:11didn't see your light. Thank you.

1:04:12>> I'm I but I just wanted to Does everyone

1:04:14know what it the full sentence says now?

1:04:16I just wasn't sure if people wanted to

1:04:18know what the sentence said. So now it

1:04:20would say a marijuana establishment

1:04:22shall have no ability to transfer a

1:04:24license to a new operator without first

1:04:27obtaining approval from the Cannabis

1:04:28Licensing and Enforcement Commission. So

1:04:30my vote is yes.

1:04:32>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

1:04:37Uh, councelor Cologne Hayes, you still

1:04:38have your light on. Oh, I'm sorry.

1:04:39>> No, that's okay. You can just want to

1:04:41make sure you were all set.

1:04:44>> Did you want to take any other action on

1:04:46that?

1:04:46>> Official vote. All in favor?

1:04:48>> Oh, I thought we did. I'm sorry.

1:04:50>> I think we got interrupted, but I just

1:04:51want to get it on the record that

1:04:53>> Okay. So, on a motion by councelor

1:04:55Winsow, seconded by councelor Clone

1:04:56Hayes to enroll. All in favor?

1:04:59>> I.

1:04:59>> Thank you.

1:05:00>> Okay, that is enrolled. No, thank you.

1:05:04Do you want to take any further action

1:05:06on it? Okay.

1:05:08>> Okay.

1:05:10>> Okay. So, on a motion by councelor

1:05:11Cologne Hayes to suspend the the rules

1:05:14for the purposes of ordaining.

1:05:16>> Do we have a second to that?

1:05:18>> Okay. Seconded by councelor Winslow. We

1:05:21will call the role. Council Clone Hayes.

1:05:23>> Yes.

1:05:23>> Council Condan.

1:05:25>> Council Crow.

1:05:26>> Council Lewang.

1:05:27>> Yes.

1:05:27>> Council McDonald. Yes.

1:05:28>> Council Mali.

1:05:29>> Yes.

1:05:31>> Council Taylor. Yes.

1:05:33>> Council Winsow.

1:05:34>> Council President Lahan.

1:05:35>> Yes.

1:05:35>> Okay. So, the rules have been suspended.

1:05:37>> Okay. The rules have been suspended. Do

1:05:38we have a motion to ordain?

1:05:42>> Thank you. Councelor McDonald. On a

1:05:44motion by councelor McDonald, seconded

1:05:46by councelor Cologne Hayes to ordain

1:05:48this paper. We will call the role.

1:05:49>> Council Colon Hayes. Yes.

1:05:51>> Council Condan. Council Crow.

1:05:53>> Yes.

1:05:53>> Council Lewong. Yes.

1:05:54>> Council McDonald. Yes.

1:05:55>> Council Ali.

1:05:57>> Council

1:05:59Taylor.

1:06:00>> Council Winsow. Council President Lan.

1:06:02>> Yes.

1:06:03>> Okay, that has been ordained. Great.

1:06:06Next order of business.

1:06:18Okay.

1:06:20Thank you. Just a second. Now, take your

1:06:22time to language. Thank you.

1:06:28Paper 397-26

1:06:33resolved that it is the sense of the

1:06:34Malden City Council that the state of

1:06:36Massachusetts must protect and

1:06:38strengthen the Massave program and clean

1:06:41energy grants. Mass save provides

1:06:43financial incentives to direct directly

1:06:46to residents to make their homes and

1:06:48businesses more energy efficient and

1:06:50shift to clean energy usage. In 2024,

1:06:53Malden residents received 5.7 million

1:06:56through Massave and generated at least

1:06:59600

1:07:00>> megawatt hours

1:07:01>> megawatt hours in energy savings. Grants

1:07:04from Massave have funded critical city

1:07:06staff capacity to reach to our diverse

1:07:08community so that every resident can

1:07:10participate. Maldon has also received

1:07:12multiple green community grants to

1:07:14support energy efficiency projects

1:07:17funded by alternative compliance payment

1:07:19option for utilities to meet their clean

1:07:21energy targets. Mass save incentives and

1:07:24state grants are critical for Malden's

1:07:27climate action plan to reduce emissions

1:07:29and make our homes more resilient in

1:07:30this environmental justice community.

1:07:33Since the majority of our buildings are

1:07:35older, we can only meet our climate

1:07:37action targets by retrofitting our

1:07:39buildings. Without Mass Save incentives,

1:07:41these improvements will be out of reach

1:07:42for thousands of residents, especially

1:07:45our most vulnerable neighbors, including

1:07:47many renters and lower income residents.

1:07:50City level initiatives are also

1:07:52frequently grant funded, and cannot

1:07:55continue without this support. However,

1:07:57Massave and other clean energy grant

1:07:59programs have recently been targeted for

1:08:01cuts by the Massachusetts legislature.

1:08:03As the House and Senate conference

1:08:05committee negotiates final energy

1:08:07affordability legislation, we urge

1:08:10Maldin's delegation to reject the $1

1:08:12billion reduction to mass save funding

1:08:15proposed in the House version and

1:08:17restore any cuts to green communities

1:08:19grant funding to reduce utility bills.

1:08:22The state should focus on copying

1:08:24utility overhead administrative

1:08:25expenses, reducing utility performance

1:08:28bonuses, and phasing out expensive gas

1:08:30line construction and unnecessary

1:08:33replacement. Cuts to Massave and green

1:08:35community grants would have a disastrous

1:08:38effect on our community, increasing

1:08:40long-term utility cost and climate risks

1:08:42for our residents. Massave in particular

1:08:45must not only be protected but further

1:08:48strengthened by making it easier for our

1:08:50most vulnerable residents to access

1:08:52massive incentives. We call on our

1:08:54legislators to protect and strengthen

1:08:57the mass program and the green

1:08:58communities grants essential supports

1:09:01from the state for gateway cities like

1:09:04Malden.

1:09:06>> Okay. Thank you councelor McDonald. Um,

1:09:09so I think the a lot of the specifics

1:09:12here are laid out, but I just want to

1:09:13give some context for this resolution

1:09:15and and why um I wanted to get it on the

1:09:18docket. And if you already know kind of

1:09:21where what's happening with the Massave

1:09:22program, then this might be a little bit

1:09:24redundant, but it's it's a really great

1:09:26program that Massachusetts has that not

1:09:29all states have. and it's been

1:09:32absolutely essential in helping people

1:09:34get the heating oil out of their homes

1:09:37or switch from gas to electric. This is

1:09:40a big way a lot of people get air

1:09:41conditioning. So, when we're talking

1:09:43about um what it costs to, you know,

1:09:45make your home more energy resilient,

1:09:47this is this is a program that can help

1:09:49fund a lot of that. The Mass program has

1:09:51gone through a lot of changes and gets

1:09:52reauthorized periodically. We have

1:09:54finally gotten to a massive program that

1:09:56really focuses on communities like ours

1:09:59and the benefits aren't primarily just

1:10:00going to wealthy communities. This is

1:10:02the time that the Massachusetts

1:10:03legislature in trying to figure out what

1:10:05to do about utility bills targeted this

1:10:07these programs for cuts right when they

1:10:09are most able to benefit communities

1:10:11like Malden. And as the resolution says

1:10:14that's literally millions of dollars out

1:10:16of the pocket of our of our residents

1:10:18potentially. Um the other piece to this

1:10:21that I want to note the alternative

1:10:23compliance statements and just explain a

1:10:25little bit what that is. Our climate

1:10:27targets at the state say you have to use

1:10:29a certain amount of renewable energy in

1:10:31the in like the energy that you you know

1:10:33the electricity you get in your bill. So

1:10:35renewable energy has to be like wind,

1:10:37solar, right? If you can't, if you're

1:10:39the utility or the power provider and

1:10:41you can't find that, you have to you

1:10:43have to pay this alternative compliance

1:10:45payment to get up to the percentage that

1:10:47they say that money then gets used to

1:10:50fund grants in places like Malden. And

1:10:53since 2017 when Malden got its green

1:10:55communities designation, we've received,

1:10:57I just looked this up, about 1.4 million

1:10:59to the city in grants to do all kinds of

1:11:02upgrades to our schools and our

1:11:04buildings to make them more energy

1:11:05efficient. So that's like the full cycle

1:11:06there. The reason this is a little less

1:11:09specific about the grants is they just

1:11:11cut the payments like the funding to the

1:11:12grants. They didn't actually even bother

1:11:13to cut the grants. This is actually even

1:11:16worse than it looks because uh Malden

1:11:20also uses funding from Massave to

1:11:22support one of our housing outreach

1:11:24specialists who works works for us as

1:11:25another example of us using grant

1:11:27funding to to um really do the work that

1:11:30needs to get done without burdening our

1:11:31taxpayers in Molen

1:11:34because Massave and these grants are

1:11:36authorized in a cycle. If these cuts

1:11:38actually proceed, they come out of the

1:11:41remaining part of the cycle and like

1:11:43most of the money has been spent. it

1:11:44would basically like turning off these

1:11:45programs for communities like Malden.

1:11:48Um, and that could I mean that's just

1:11:50very very difficult to recover from when

1:11:53you're talking about trying to get the

1:11:55the whole economy that can create jobs

1:11:57for electricians and trades people and

1:12:00companies that are starting in our

1:12:02communities to like get these projects

1:12:04done. If you are pulling the incentives

1:12:06up and down, they can't build their

1:12:08businesses. We can't prepare people for

1:12:09jobs. It's a huge problem. So, this is

1:12:12something that I think has is getting

1:12:14more and more attention. I want Malden

1:12:16to be a leader in calling this out. I

1:12:18want other communities to do the same.

1:12:21Um, some of our representatives did vote

1:12:22for this cut. Uh, to be clear, I think

1:12:25after some public outcry, the Senate

1:12:26version restored a lot of that. I'm less

1:12:28sure what's happening with green

1:12:29communities grants because there's a

1:12:30couple of stage difference. So, right

1:12:32now is the time to make a vote like this

1:12:35because the conference committee report

1:12:37hasn't been completed yet. And I think

1:12:39our voice here can help make a

1:12:41difference. Um, and I hope it encourages

1:12:43other communities to do the same. Um,

1:12:45last thing I just want to note is this

1:12:46isn't uh this isn't my idea. Actually,

1:12:49this came from our climate action

1:12:50sustainability commission. They met with

1:12:52the Sierra Club, um, their Massachusetts

1:12:54director who kind of talked through what

1:12:55these things what's going on at the

1:12:58state level and they wrote a letter of

1:12:59support for maintaining and protecting

1:13:02these programs. And so this resolution

1:13:04is based off of work that our climate

1:13:06action and sustainability commission is

1:13:08calling is doing and calling our

1:13:10legislators to do so we can be we can

1:13:12work better together and follow their

1:13:13lead on this. Um and I would you know

1:13:17would boldly ask if we could get a

1:13:18unanimous vote about this. I think that

1:13:20helps as well. So uh hope to have your

1:13:22support in this resolution. Thank you so

1:13:24much.

1:13:24>> Great. Thank you councelor McDonald.

1:13:26Councelor Ali,

1:13:28>> I would like to be added as a co-sponsor

1:13:30and I want to thank our climate action

1:13:32committee for putting this forward. Um,

1:13:35you know, I think it's it's really, you

1:13:37know, concerning that um, so many people

1:13:39that we have supported um, in the

1:13:42legislature are scapegoating massive.

1:13:45Um, it's it's massive is not the reason

1:13:48why our utility bills are going through

1:13:50the roof. Um, you know, utility

1:13:52companies right now are making record

1:13:54profits off of our rateayers and it's

1:13:56really not fair. Um, but I think the the

1:13:59the reason why is so important. You

1:14:01know, the the gas company, the

1:14:02electrical company have not been doing

1:14:04any maintenance or barely any

1:14:06maintenance for a century and that

1:14:08deferred maintenance has caught up to

1:14:10them. That's why there have been

1:14:12explosions in the Marramac Valley. We

1:14:14have explosions on Main Street in

1:14:15Malden. Um, it's really been out of

1:14:18control. uh and the the systems are

1:14:20failing and so now they have to spend

1:14:23millions billions of dollars fixing

1:14:25these broken infrastructure and rather

1:14:28than it coming out of their profits the

1:14:30department of public utilities because

1:14:32it's a privilege to operate a public

1:14:34utility in Massachusetts approves these

1:14:36rate increases allowing the gas

1:14:38companies and the electrical companies

1:14:40to make record profits. It's not fair.

1:14:42Um, if you mismanage your business,

1:14:45sometimes you have to operate in the red

1:14:47and our gas and electric companies have

1:14:49been mismanaged. Um, and there's another

1:14:52thing here about the time value of

1:14:53money. So, if they had been doing

1:14:56preventative maintenance for the last

1:14:57century, a dollar a hundred years ago

1:14:59gets you a lot more than a dollar today.

1:15:01So, we are paying through the nose to

1:15:03fix stuff. And had they been doing that

1:15:05over the last hundred years, we wouldn't

1:15:07be in this this situation. And the

1:15:09reason why I'm saying that is it's not

1:15:11mass save. that's causing these bills.

1:15:13It's the fact that they didn't weren't

1:15:14doing their job. And so, I do appreciate

1:15:16this. I fully support it and I think

1:15:18mass save should be saved because it's

1:15:21how we get more efficient and save money

1:15:24as as as rateayers. They might not might

1:15:27not save money because they have to pay

1:15:28into it, but our residents sure do and

1:15:31the fact that, you know, our state

1:15:32legislators are throwing it under the

1:15:34bus is just not fair. So, thank you.

1:15:36>> Thank you, Councelor Ali. Councelor

1:15:38Winsow.

1:15:38>> Yeah. Yeah. No, thank you for the

1:15:40climate action committee and councelor

1:15:41McDonald um to put putting this forward.

1:15:44Um yeah, very that's a good point,

1:15:46Council Mali. I mean, I also think of,

1:15:48you know, we've been talking about

1:15:50taking climate action and I I view this

1:15:52as sort of through the lens of what

1:15:53we've started to do in in terms of our

1:15:55lead pipes. We knew, you know, 2500 or

1:15:57more homes needed to have lead pipe

1:16:00replacements and then um coming up with

1:16:03a program where we can actually

1:16:05intervene directly so that we can remove

1:16:07that. That's really some of this in

1:16:09terms of of particularly oil. It seems

1:16:12crazy to me that we we have people, you

1:16:16know, putting in new oil boilers at this

1:16:19point in time. So, this is the mass save

1:16:21money gives options and that gateway

1:16:24communities can now have this, but to

1:16:27have the money taken away just at the

1:16:29most critical point and we need

1:16:31resources so that we as a city can

1:16:33assist. I mean just today I was hearing

1:16:36um you know uh heating oil is basically

1:16:39the same chemical composition as diesel

1:16:42fuel. You diesel fuel is the most

1:16:45expensive fuel out there right now and

1:16:47it's not going to go down. So you know

1:16:50what used to be a couple bucks for oil.

1:16:53um you know the price of heating oil has

1:16:56gone up 75% over the last couple years

1:16:58versus you know 11% for you know

1:17:02electricity and and 6% for gas. So

1:17:05people who have heating oil are getting

1:17:07uh you know tremendous bills and under

1:17:09great strains and we need resources to

1:17:12be able to help our residents you know

1:17:15not have heating oil anymore. So, um,

1:17:17and elect electrification is that

1:17:19alternative. A lot of times where oil is

1:17:22still there, it's because they we don't

1:17:24have a gas gas line there. Can't get one

1:17:26there. So, so this is a great program.

1:17:28We need to make sure it's funded and can

1:17:30benefit Malden residents. And yeah, we

1:17:33have to pay the bills so that we can

1:17:35help our um residents um save money and

1:17:39also advance our climate action goals.

1:17:41Thank you.

1:17:43>> Thank you, Councelor Winsow.

1:17:45Okay, seeing no other lights, do we have

1:17:48a motion to pass the resolve?

1:17:54>> Did you want to talk again?

1:17:56>> Oh, sorry.

1:17:57>> Oh, okay.

1:17:58>> Council Long, Council Crow.

1:17:59>> All right. On a motion by Councelor

1:18:01Leong, seconded by Councelor Crow. All

1:18:03in favor?

1:18:04>> I. Any opposed?

1:18:06>> Okay. The resolve has passed.

1:18:10>> I said any opposed. Nobody's opposed.

1:18:13>> Yeah. So, that's unanimous. like you

1:18:14wanted. Great. Congratulations.

1:18:17>> Paper 398-26.

1:18:21Whereas the city of Malden currently has

1:18:23long-standing ordinances that one

1:18:25prohibit motorized scooters, motorized

1:18:27bicycles, and any other motorized

1:18:29vehicle not otherwise regulated by law

1:18:31from being operated on any public way,

1:18:33park, playground, school ground, city

1:18:36cemetery, or property under the control

1:18:38of the city of Malden. and two limits

1:18:41the use of motorized devices on

1:18:43multi-use trails such as the Northern

1:18:45Strand Trail to class one and class 2

1:18:48electric bicycles and electric scooters

1:18:50with a top speed of 15 miles per hour or

1:18:52less. Whereas the city of Maldin lacks

1:18:55specific ordinances or traffic rules

1:18:57regulating the use of bicycles and

1:18:59powered micromobility devices on

1:19:01sidewalks.

1:19:03Whereas the Massachusetts General Court

1:19:04and Governor's Office have been working

1:19:06on legislation that will create a new

1:19:08framework to regulate micromobility

1:19:11devices based on top speed and other

1:19:14factors.

1:19:16And whereas the increased number of

1:19:17speed and weight of powered microobility

1:19:19devices pose greater risk of injury to

1:19:21both users and non-users alike. And

1:19:24whereas the lack of rules education and

1:19:26training programs for motorized

1:19:27micromobility devices result in

1:19:30dangerous operator behaviors such as

1:19:32ignoring basic traffic rules, failing to

1:19:35yield to vulnerable users such as

1:19:37walkers and regular bicyclist, speeding

1:19:39and popping wheelies, particularly among

1:19:41younger operators who have not taken any

1:19:44motor vehicle licensing courses.

1:19:47Therefore, the city council resolves to

1:19:50work in conjunction with the following

1:19:51partners on community outreach helpful

1:19:54to draft ordinances, rules, policies,

1:19:57and education programs to ensure the

1:20:00safe and responsible use of micro buil

1:20:03micromobility devices. One, the newly

1:20:07formed transportation commission to

1:20:09develop draft rules and ordinances for

1:20:10micromobility devices in Malden

1:20:13consistent with the anticipated state

1:20:15legislation on micromobility devices.

1:20:18Two, the Malden School Committee and

1:20:20Public Facilities Department on policies

1:20:22and practices related to the types of

1:20:25micromobility devices that may be

1:20:27allowed on school property and how to

1:20:30safely and securely store them. and

1:20:32three Malden Police, Fire and School

1:20:35Committee as well as regional and local

1:20:37organizations to develop education and

1:20:39safety programs to ensure safe

1:20:41operation, charging and storage of

1:20:44micromobility devices. Be it further

1:20:46resolved that any such ordinances,

1:20:49policies and practices shall ensure that

1:20:51wheelchairs, power wheelchairs, mobility

1:20:54scooters or other personal mobility

1:20:57devices which are used by individuals

1:20:59with disabilities are not restricted by

1:21:01any ordinances, policies or practices

1:21:04pertaining to the regulation of

1:21:05motorized vehicles.

1:21:08>> Okay. Thank you. Who wants to speak to

1:21:11this first? Councelor Leong. Okay, you

1:21:13have the floor. Oh, if I put your mic on

1:21:16>> to um

1:21:18>> you should be good now.

1:21:20>> In speaking to councelor Winslow,

1:21:24this is a long time coming and I think

1:21:27and I'm I know that councelor Taylor and

1:21:29I met on this a year ago and we really

1:21:34couldn't do much with it because of the

1:21:36way our current state law writes. So,

1:21:38we're hoping what happens with the with

1:21:41the new legislation that's due to pass

1:21:44from the governor. We're hoping that

1:21:46that's going to open our hands a little

1:21:48bit that we can have a meaningful

1:21:50conversation in a working group that is

1:21:52going to be able to address these issues

1:21:54because eventually we're going to have

1:21:56somebody's going to get hurt and

1:21:57someone's going to get killed.

1:21:59>> And I wanted to add on here as a

1:22:01community partner. I know we say

1:22:03organizations, but I think the community

1:22:05in general

1:22:07>> needs to be able to have a point where

1:22:09that they can also voice their opinion

1:22:11and and what they're looking for. And I

1:22:15also um would be really excited to work

1:22:17on this with the Malden School Committee

1:22:19as they set policy

1:22:21um and

1:22:24they should set what happens at their

1:22:26schools. So I look forward to um working

1:22:29on that. Thank you.

1:22:30>> Great. Thank you, Councelor Leong.

1:22:32Councelor Winsow.

1:22:34>> Yeah, I know. Um I think every one of us

1:22:36on the council is experiencing something

1:22:39related to things on our streets and

1:22:41sidewalks. We just see the great uh

1:22:44increase in these electric devices.

1:22:46Sometimes they're called ebikes when

1:22:49they really are not within what is

1:22:51allowed by state law. They're faster and

1:22:55don't even have regular pedals. Um, so

1:22:58there's a lot of concerns and then, you

1:22:59know, I think just even sitting in the

1:23:01finance committee watching the sidewalk

1:23:03out in front of city hall here of seeing

1:23:06a whole bunch of things go by, some on

1:23:08the street, some on the sidewalk. Um, we

1:23:11just we just know um viscerally and from

1:23:14our constituents, we need to get out

1:23:17ahead of this. And I I've been sort of

1:23:19treading water waiting for the state

1:23:21legislation to uh get passed. I did go

1:23:24to the hearing. Um you know one of the

1:23:26things that the the hearing at the state

1:23:28house on this was that um you know

1:23:30doctors from children's hospital and

1:23:32Mass General came uh these were

1:23:34emergency room doctors saying that how

1:23:36much in the past few years that

1:23:38literally the types of injuries have

1:23:39like tripled for um these kind of uh

1:23:42devices and the worst thing because of

1:23:44their speed is that they're seeing young

1:23:46kids getting injuries you might see a

1:23:48motorcycle cyclist get. And so that's

1:23:51really they they were not solicited.

1:23:53they came out um on their own valition

1:23:56and there's been opinion. So they're

1:23:58really seeing that um you know the the

1:24:00lack of good policy and education um and

1:24:03and restriction on use of these devices

1:24:05is is a big health issue for our our

1:24:08young people. So uh to get out in front

1:24:10so the legislature um has included in

1:24:13this in the economic development bill. I

1:24:15believe that's passed the house and the

1:24:17senate. It's in conference committee. So

1:24:19it's getting queued up. So sometime

1:24:20probably by the end of the year the

1:24:22state legis legislation will happen.

1:24:24There was a micro bill committee if

1:24:26anybody's more interested on um Monday

1:24:29night um the Malden Safe Streets is

1:24:32actually having Chris Carter who led

1:24:34that effort this with the state of

1:24:36developing the guidelines that are now

1:24:38being acted. So he will be at um Malden

1:24:41Safe Street 630 at at Bay State Commons

1:24:44just across from uh you know the um the

1:24:47church and BB school. So, so you know,

1:24:50we're starting to put things together,

1:24:51but I say it's it's the type of thing we

1:24:53need. Um, we lack some rules that relate

1:24:56to these. Um, we actually, you know, one

1:24:58of the things I see is, you know, with

1:25:00bike to the sea, you know, the whole

1:25:02focus a lot of times is, you know, bike

1:25:03safety and and that and working a long

1:25:06time with councelor Crow on bike safety

1:25:07fairs for bicycles. There's been this

1:25:10thing of of approaches to safety and

1:25:13these new devices. There's no really

1:25:15constituency or industry group or

1:25:18advocacy group that is working to train

1:25:20people who use them or even in

1:25:23motorcycles. You have to get a

1:25:24motorcycle. You have to get trained on

1:25:26that. These are untrained people are

1:25:29getting a hold of these devices thinking

1:25:31they're like bicycles but they are more

1:25:33like motorcycles and that's just

1:25:35dangerous. And so so there's a

1:25:38multiaceted thing we have to do here.

1:25:40And so that's why I put in a resolve.

1:25:42And we have the new transportation

1:25:44commission. I I did talk to Chief G

1:25:46Chief Gatcom today. He's already working

1:25:49with the traffic uh officers to to do

1:25:52some preparation and that type of thing.

1:25:54TUS I was down at the YMCA. They've

1:25:56actually have a flyer down at the YMCA.

1:25:59So there's partners we need to bring

1:26:00together and I think like a working

1:26:02group. But this is just a first thing to

1:26:04say. I I think the encouraging thing is

1:26:05we actually have some things on the

1:26:07books that can take some enforcement

1:26:09actions now um for the most egregious

1:26:12actions that we see out there. But we

1:26:14need to be more refined because, you

1:26:17know, with the cost of, you know, motor

1:26:20vehicles, you know, 500,000, $50,000 or

1:26:23more for a car, um the price of

1:26:26gasoline, you know, younger people and

1:26:29younger adults, it's just they're

1:26:32making these choices because it's a

1:26:34practical thing to be an Uber driver or

1:26:37get to school or or or a job. So, we

1:26:40have to be subtle um in how he regulates

1:26:43them. just we need to um make sure that

1:26:46people who make this option have have

1:26:48have the knowledge about what they're

1:26:50buying can use that safely and that we

1:26:53then also work to make our safe streets

1:26:55safe enough that that that you know

1:26:58right street layout is for the right

1:27:01devices. So it's it's a it's a very

1:27:03multiaceted thing. This is a, you know,

1:27:05just like in the 1940s when motor

1:27:07vehicles, you know, cars became popular.

1:27:10Um, you know, we're having to redo the

1:27:11mix and we have to rethink this. It's a

1:27:13this is a change that's going to, you

1:27:15know, ripple out through the community.

1:27:17And, uh, that's why you put it out there

1:27:19and it'll it'll be a work um, and

1:27:21progress, but, you know, we do need to

1:27:23work on it for safety. Not only do the

1:27:25people use these, but um, the people who

1:27:27are walking our sidewalk, seniors,

1:27:29crossing the street, and uh, and other

1:27:31people. So that's I I appreciate uh

1:27:33councelor Leong working on this and and

1:27:35look forward to whatever thing. I think

1:27:37we got to reach out to the mayor's

1:27:39office and and and strategize a little

1:27:41bit about how a working group might work

1:27:42and you know uh just make it make it

1:27:46make it work. But it's something that's

1:27:47um a lot of communities are facing up to

1:27:50and it's just uh it's going to be

1:27:51something that uh whether we uh let's

1:27:54not we we just need to lead lead here

1:27:56and uh it's an issue that's out there.

1:27:58Thank you.

1:27:59>> Okay. Thank you councelor Winsow.

1:28:01Councelor Cologne Hayes.

1:28:02>> Um yes, thank you. I don't want to

1:28:04belabor this. Everybody has said um um

1:28:07similar things, but I do want to thank

1:28:09the sponsors for bringing this up

1:28:11because yes, you're right. This has been

1:28:12a huge conversation out in the community

1:28:14and it is going to be a lot of work. So,

1:28:16I really appreciate you, you know,

1:28:18taking a hold of this. Um rather than

1:28:20waiting for the legislator and just

1:28:21legislation and just, you know, getting

1:28:23ahead of it. Um, I think sometimes I

1:28:26feel like I've said this too much

1:28:27tonight, but I I would love to be a

1:28:29sponsor on this, too, because I think it

1:28:30sends a message that it's really

1:28:32important um, you know, that we all

1:28:34stand behind it. So, I'd love to be a

1:28:35sponsor on this. And again, thank you.

1:28:37Um, love the last clause, obviously,

1:28:39that this does not affect anyone with

1:28:41like mobility issues stuff. So, thank

1:28:43you for putting that in there. Very

1:28:44clear. Okay. Thank you.

1:28:47>> Thank you, Councelor Cologne Hayes. Um,

1:28:48councelor McDonald.

1:28:50>> Uh, yes. Echoing would love to be out as

1:28:52co-sponsor. Thank you for getting a

1:28:54working group going. That seems like

1:28:55totally the right approach. I just

1:28:58wanted to emphasize that I I like I I

1:29:03really hope that we continue to bring

1:29:05this from the place that you landed,

1:29:07counselor Winslow, which is about care

1:29:09and choice for the community. And like

1:29:12sometimes the conversations we have are

1:29:15um or that I've had folks talk to me

1:29:17about feels like these these devices are

1:29:21like an annoyance

1:29:22>> and or you know and and I don't think I

1:29:25mean they can be annoying but that's not

1:29:26the full story. This is actually a

1:29:28problem we want to have which is people

1:29:29are making more transportation choices

1:29:30that align with their budgets. They're

1:29:32trying to do things that don't just

1:29:34contribute to more traffic on the roads.

1:29:36But safety is is absolutely real. as

1:29:38someone married to a case manager at

1:29:40rehab hospitals, this point about like

1:29:42the injuries people are getting is

1:29:43really scary. Um, and I and I'm really

1:29:46glad that the school committee is a part

1:29:48of the outreach here because I know some

1:29:49school committee members are already

1:29:50working on ways to do better education

1:29:53in schools about this in addition to the

1:29:55policies about that. So, um, just

1:29:57working along that all that is great. I

1:29:59just wanted to make that point about

1:30:00like care and choice as being at the

1:30:03heart of what we're trying to do rather

1:30:04than scolding people about this. Um and

1:30:08uh and I think that's the approach that

1:30:09we've got here with the working group.

1:30:10So, thank you very much.

1:30:11>> Thank you, Councelor McDonald. Councelor

1:30:13Crow.

1:30:14>> Um thank you, Madam President. Um I I I

1:30:17agree safety is paramount and you know

1:30:20we are going to have some major issues

1:30:22if we don't get this. We watch the same

1:30:24things go by finance and some of them

1:30:27had a license plate and still going down

1:30:29the drive down the sidewalk. So that

1:30:31that's a concern. I just had some

1:30:32mechanics sort of question now because

1:30:35it just says in conjunction with the

1:30:36community and I know community partners

1:30:38and then you just said you said um you

1:30:41know the community as a partner and then

1:30:44it's a working group. It doesn't really

1:30:45say that. So who is going to be sort of

1:30:48appointing this working group um just to

1:30:51make sure that we do have the diverse um

1:30:53voices and opinions on this because

1:30:56that's some of the things that you know

1:30:58always hold us up. it's, you know, one

1:31:00side or the other and it's it's really

1:31:03contentious and not coming in together.

1:31:05I do think, you know, the the police

1:31:06have been working on I know school

1:31:08committee members and that's been in a

1:31:10lot of other communities really taking

1:31:12this up on their on their properties and

1:31:14um on their school property and um and

1:31:16you know the transportation commission.

1:31:18So just to make sure that we kind of

1:31:20know some of the mechanics of does

1:31:22someone have to apply? Is it I know we

1:31:24have to figure I know this is only a

1:31:26resolve but is it the mayor's going to

1:31:28be putting this working group together?

1:31:30Is the council going to be putting this

1:31:31working group together

1:31:33>> so we kind of have some idea of when

1:31:35someone calls me and asks me what's that

1:31:37all about?

1:31:40>> I've also Thank you.

1:31:42>> No councelor Long, do you want to answer

1:31:43that?

1:31:44>> Sure. So I've actually already gotten

1:31:46some questions. um residents versus

1:31:49having an official organization have

1:31:51already, you know, you know, put

1:31:53theirelves forward and said that they

1:31:55would like to be part of it. And so I

1:31:58think one, you know, I don't know, do we

1:31:59want to put in an ad hoc committee? Do

1:32:01we want to make it a working group? who,

1:32:04you know, to your question, I'm new to

1:32:06this, so I'm all for like suggestions,

1:32:09but um

1:32:11I'm just really concerned that if we do

1:32:15nothing,

1:32:16>> it's only going to get worse. And I, you

1:32:19know, to councelor McDonald's point, I

1:32:21don't want to hinder somebody from

1:32:24having that's their only mode of

1:32:26transportation.

1:32:27But on the other hand, if they're, you

1:32:29know, going more than 30 miles an hour

1:32:31and they're under 16 with no helmet,

1:32:34what do we, you know,

1:32:36>> yeah,

1:32:37>> what do we do with that? So,

1:32:40>> I look to council president to recommend

1:32:43>> Well, I think it it's an open question

1:32:45because it isn't it is just a resolve.

1:32:47It doesn't actually say that we'll start

1:32:49a working group. Um, okay. And I think

1:32:51to councelor Crow's point, there are a

1:32:53lot of like the police are already

1:32:54working on it. A lot of the advocacy

1:32:56groups are already working with the

1:32:58police. I'm sure the school committee is

1:32:59grappling with it. I know I can speak to

1:33:01some of the school the principles I've

1:33:03talked to from just seeing different

1:33:04policies in place at the schools.

1:33:07>> It is kind of a grab bag of different

1:33:08policies and I think that's why the

1:33:10school committee is trying to get their

1:33:12arms around it. Um feels to me like

1:33:14maybe we should take it up as it's

1:33:16written now and then get together with

1:33:18the mayor's office and see if that's

1:33:20something that we want to collaborate

1:33:21on. uh and then come come back and see

1:33:24if maybe we could it feels to me like we

1:33:26have a couple different paths. It could

1:33:28be a council ad hoc. It could be

1:33:30something that the mayor's office

1:33:31appoints as

1:33:33>> Yeah. or the transportation commission

1:33:35could take up. I mean, again, that's a

1:33:36new group that's got to elect officers,

1:33:39set a new meeting schedule.

1:33:41>> They have new members they're

1:33:42onboarding. That feels like a lot to put

1:33:44on them. And we've also put the permit

1:33:46parking overhaul on them right out of

1:33:48the gate. So I it does feel like maybe

1:33:51there's a lot of conversation that we

1:33:53still need to have. But if the resolve

1:33:55is the sense of the council that this is

1:33:56becoming an issue so critical that we

1:33:59can't ignore it any longer, that is

1:34:01what's before us, I think, in this

1:34:03paper. Um I'd love to hear other

1:34:05perspectives on that. But I think we

1:34:06could pass it as it's written and then

1:34:09continue to talk about how we gather

1:34:11that community input or if we if it's

1:34:13our desire to create a committee, we

1:34:16could do it ourselves or we could work

1:34:17with the mayor's office to, you know,

1:34:19create an advisory committee. That's

1:34:21sometimes a faster path than having the

1:34:22council do it.

1:34:24>> Sounds good.

1:34:25>> Okay. Thank you.

1:34:25>> Um councelor Ali was next.

1:34:28>> Thank you. Um, so yeah, whether it is an

1:34:31ad hoc committee or a working group. I

1:34:34think one of the things we learned from

1:34:35the youth council is it doesn't matter

1:34:36what you call it, it's still a public

1:34:38body that has to comply with the open

1:34:41meeting law. So I think it's really

1:34:43important that when we set this up, we

1:34:45make sure that we have diver diverse

1:34:47groups represented and that we are

1:34:49making sure that the public has the

1:34:51ability and opportunity to attend these.

1:34:53Um, but yeah, fully in support and just

1:34:55wanted to make sure that we knew that

1:34:57going into it. Thank you. Great point.

1:34:59Thank you, Councelor Ali. Councelor

1:35:01Winsow for the second time.

1:35:02>> Yeah, I mean, you know, a couple of

1:35:03things. Um, you know, one of the things

1:35:05I didn't want to get too specific

1:35:07because really the things that's going

1:35:09to crystallize the action in my my mind

1:35:11is when the state legislation passes and

1:35:14even then there's some things that that

1:35:16the state might have to act so on. And

1:35:18also I mean I think it is you know the

1:35:20transportation committee does have

1:35:23generally the jurisdiction and

1:35:25particularly to rules of on the roads

1:35:27and sidewalks. So I I mean I think it

1:35:30might be good to have a working group

1:35:32amongst the departments to make sure

1:35:34there's coordination. I think ultimately

1:35:36in terms of adopting rules, I mean, I

1:35:39think I envision that that would fall to

1:35:41the you the the transportation

1:35:43commission and and on school grounds,

1:35:45obviously that would be something that

1:35:47would fall to the um you know, the

1:35:49school committee. So, and then it but it

1:35:51becomes the you this is a broader issue

1:35:54than just some rules because I say the

1:35:56challenge is if if people opt for these

1:35:59devices, if they're not if they don't

1:36:01know how to use them properly and and

1:36:04and and that it doesn't really do so I

1:36:07think maybe ultimately a working group

1:36:09uh and I think we have to have that

1:36:11discussion with the mayor but like some

1:36:13of it I just wanted to make sure that

1:36:14the communities you know assured that we

1:36:17actually have some some things in place

1:36:18right now that that we have rules that

1:36:20that do regulate these things right now

1:36:22if we need it and then ultimately we

1:36:26have um you know we have a path forward

1:36:28and I think a working group is probably

1:36:30that but it is that point of of um you

1:36:33know ultimately you the traffic do the

1:36:35transportation commission you know what

1:36:37public processes I mean they are a

1:36:39public body things are there they may

1:36:42meet it on a different night they can

1:36:44you know um they have a little bit more

1:36:45capacity with the transportation planner

1:36:47and other things so so that that was

1:36:49some of the hope to maybe have the

1:36:51transportation commission at least take

1:36:53up so I I think we do have to process it

1:36:55a little bit more but I think it's good

1:36:57to to plant the flag and then get the

1:36:59conversation going and and just figure

1:37:01out I think you we had complete streets

1:37:04Um and there was a complete streets

1:37:06committee that was a working group and I

1:37:08think that was really under the mayor

1:37:09with a counselor on it. So um and that

1:37:11was a very you know good process but I

1:37:15mean you know I think you know you know

1:37:18one of the things we might you know

1:37:19think of as having um working with the

1:37:22transportation commission and our own

1:37:25community engagement committee to have

1:37:27some more public facing things even

1:37:30before something goes to the

1:37:32transportation commission. So that

1:37:33that's some of the cho choices we so we

1:37:35can

1:37:36>> yeah we have

1:37:36>> let's get the resolution and we got to

1:37:38chew on it a little bit and then figure

1:37:39out but um you know I I think you know

1:37:41having something a little bit more broad

1:37:43than just a transportation commission

1:37:45meeting if that's not

1:37:46>> I think that makes sense and I think

1:37:47there's a lot of other as you're talking

1:37:48I'm thinking there's other stakeholder

1:37:50groups like we a huge group that

1:37:53utilizes some of these devices is our

1:37:54youth whether or not that's formally

1:37:57legal as the law is written now that's a

1:37:59group that we need to engage with I

1:38:01think also a lot of the communities

1:38:02ities around us have rules around

1:38:04charging of devices. Um, we have our

1:38:07housing authority. There's MBTA riders

1:38:10that sometimes, you know, you're allowed

1:38:11to bring these on the tea. Now, there's

1:38:13a lot of groups that I think we don't

1:38:14necessarily that wouldn't be in our

1:38:16traditional outreach scope and we should

1:38:19probably expand that when we get to that

1:38:20point. But I think you make a great

1:38:22point that there's legislation that

1:38:23we're waiting on and that's really the

1:38:25thing. we should pass this tonight or

1:38:28take a vote on this tonight and come

1:38:30back around when we know what we're

1:38:32dealing with with the state level

1:38:33legislation and take it up at that

1:38:35point.

1:38:37So,

1:38:39do we have a motion to pass the resolve?

1:38:43>> Okay. So, on a motion by councelor

1:38:45Winslow, seconded by councelor Cologne

1:38:47Hayes.

1:38:49All in favor?

1:38:50>> I any um opposed? Seeing none, that

1:38:55resolve has passed.

1:38:58Next order of business, paper 263-26,

1:39:04be it ordained by the Malden city

1:39:06council that the code of the city of

1:39:07Malden, title 12 is hereby amended by

1:39:09the following regarding residential

1:39:11kitchens as is outlined in the body of

1:39:12this paper. This was already enrolled.

1:39:16We are looking to ordain this evening.

1:39:21>> Okay. Do we have anybody looking to make

1:39:22a motion to ordain?

1:39:26>> Okay, we we have a motion on the floor.

1:39:28I do have a light from councelor

1:39:30Winslow.

1:39:32>> Okay.

1:39:34I just I at this point I mean I know

1:39:38there are other pieces like action by

1:39:40the board of health and um I I know this

1:39:44was not on the board of health agenda

1:39:46this month. I I personally I mean I'm in

1:39:49favor of the overall concept, but I will

1:39:53just be abstaining tonight from any

1:39:55decision on this because I feel like we

1:39:57need the board of health to actually

1:39:59make this real and I don't want to send

1:40:00the message out to the community that

1:40:03this is ready to go yet without the

1:40:05board of health action. So that's just

1:40:07how I plan to vote tonight.

1:40:12Uh, I do have a couple of lights before

1:40:15we take up the motion on the floor. Did

1:40:17you make that motion, Councelor Crow?

1:40:29Ali. Yep.

1:40:30>> My point of order is that because this

1:40:32is a zoning amendment, if it fails, then

1:40:35it cannot be brought up again for two

1:40:37years, I believe, or no, this was voted

1:40:40favorably. So, there's there's some rule

1:40:42about there's something actually because

1:40:44the planning board actually recommended

1:40:46this, correct? So, maybe it's not the

1:40:47two-year rule, but there might be like a

1:40:49six-month rule where if it fails, you

1:40:52can't bring it up again. So, I think we

1:40:55want to make sure that we have our eight

1:40:56votes to pass this because if it does

1:40:59not pass, then it's not great. And

1:41:03there's two people missing tonight.

1:41:05>> So, I did some quick math. It's not

1:41:07clear maybe.

1:41:16>> Okay. I I understand what you're saying,

1:41:18Council Ali. So my question about

1:41:20tableabling would be we did I'm

1:41:22reminding folks that we did amend it

1:41:23that it would

1:41:26go how did we word that that it would go

1:41:28into effect on

1:41:29>> yes it won't take effect until January

1:41:311st in order to give the board of health

1:41:34>> time time to meet

1:41:35>> to put their regulations in order.

1:41:37>> Okay because I remember we discussed

1:41:39tableabling it last time and decided not

1:41:41to do that but then of course that does

1:41:42put it back on our docket this this

1:41:44week. Um councelor Dong, did you want to

1:41:48speak to that? I saw you putting your

1:41:49light.

1:41:50>> No, I do. Um, so here's my here's my

1:41:53thoughts is that, you know, we've talked

1:41:57about each part of this and the only

1:41:58part we're waiting on truly is the board

1:42:01of health um

1:42:05regulations, but we still have to adopt,

1:42:08>> legally speaking, we have to adopt the

1:42:09Massachusetts state regulations for

1:42:11cottage kitchens. It's only if the

1:42:14Malden um Board of Health wants to add

1:42:18to that. So that means labeling. That

1:42:21means it has to be a business. That

1:42:23means it can only be, you know, non-p

1:42:25perishables. There's usually a list in

1:42:28there if you go by the mass. You know,

1:42:30there has to be a legal business.

1:42:33It has, you know, there's all those

1:42:35regulations that have to happen. We have

1:42:37to adopt those

1:42:39>> to adopt, you know, to be able to do

1:42:41this.

1:42:44Okay, I'm going to take uh we have just

1:42:47one other counselor waiting to speak to.

1:42:49I'm going to take counselor Taylor.

1:42:52>> I guess I'm just my my feeling is if we

1:42:55ordain this tonight and send it, it

1:42:57sends a a bigger message to the board of

1:43:00health that we are all in support of of

1:43:03this. And like council Lewong said, the

1:43:07bare minimum is that they adopt the

1:43:10state guidelines.

1:43:13they can just add additional. So, it's

1:43:16going to go forward regardless just what

1:43:19the guidelines are. That's what we're

1:43:21kind of waiting for from the board of

1:43:23health. So, I would hope that we can,

1:43:25you know, get this on the board of

1:43:27health's agenda as soon as possible

1:43:30um

1:43:32and move this forward

1:43:37>> as soon as we can. And I know we have a

1:43:38few people waiting that you know it

1:43:41would be nice to start seeing some more

1:43:43progress on this.

1:43:46So if we

1:43:48table it tonight, I'm just just for

1:43:51points of process. If we table it

1:43:52tonight, I am also not here in two

1:43:54weeks. So we're going to be in the same

1:43:56boat being down a person and

1:43:59>> you have until November 10th.

1:44:01>> Okay.

1:44:04>> Not as of yet. No.

1:44:05>> No. Um, so there is no rush to approve

1:44:10this right now because you do have some

1:44:11time before the deadline.

1:44:13>> But councelor Ali is correct that we

1:44:15need Oh, sorry. Do you want to

1:44:18>> I I don't know for sure, but I'm in

1:44:20favor of it and I think that maybe this

1:44:23side of the table might be in favor of

1:44:25it and we might just make the eight. Um,

1:44:30just putting out there

1:44:32>> it has six sponsors.

1:44:35It's very close.

1:44:36>> Well, we do have a motion on the floor

1:44:38with a second. We do not have a motion

1:44:40on the floor for a tableabling motion at

1:44:41this point.

1:44:42>> Okay. I still have one more light. I'm

1:44:44going to take counselor McDonald and

1:44:45then we can take the the motion.

1:44:47>> I just want Yeah. I

1:44:50I think we should go ahead and pass, you

1:44:52know, take the vote tonight. I think we

1:44:54can do it. And I just wanted to ask part

1:44:56of the conversation last time was about

1:44:58the health inspector capacity and has

1:45:00anyone heard from the building

1:45:02commissioner the about I mean who's the

1:45:06director of inspectional services about

1:45:08those issues. Part of why we delayed it

1:45:09was to give them chance to come up with

1:45:12a plan or figure that out. We're still

1:45:13not even putting these things into place

1:45:15until January 1 and then presumably it's

1:45:18not like there are inspections January

1:45:19two or whatever. that the has anyone

1:45:21heard anything any other update on that

1:45:23issue?

1:45:27>> Okay. Well, I

1:45:30feel like nothing helps like a deadline

1:45:33sometimes. So, I'm in favor of of uh

1:45:35moving this forward and then we can

1:45:37resolve other issues as they come up

1:45:39when they come up.

1:45:40>> Okay, let's Thank you, Council McDonald.

1:45:42Let's call the question. We had a motion

1:45:43by Councelor Leong, seconded by

1:45:46Councelor Taylor to ordain the paper.

1:45:49So, let's call the role.

1:45:50>> Council Cologne Hayes,

1:45:52>> yes.

1:45:52>> Yes. Council Condan,

1:45:54>> yes.

1:45:54>> Yes. Council Crow,

1:45:56>> yes.

1:45:57>> Yes. Council Lewong,

1:45:58>> yes.

1:45:58>> Yes. Council McDonald,

1:46:00>> yes.

1:46:00>> Yes. Council Mi,

1:46:02>> yes. Um, council Taylor,

1:46:06>> yes. Council Winslow,

1:46:11>> Council President Lahan,

1:46:13>> yes.

1:46:13>> Okay, so that is eight votes. Okay, so

1:46:15we have achieved the eight votes to

1:46:17ordain

1:46:23Okay, thank you for sticking with us

1:46:25this whole time.

1:46:30>> Only took two hours.

1:46:38>> It's not quite two hours.

1:46:43>> Okay, next item.

1:46:44>> All right, next order of business.

1:46:45>> Paper 399-26.

1:46:47Committee report. The standing committee

1:46:49on license to Homer was referred papers

1:46:51354 through 360 series of 2026 having

1:46:55considered the same make the following

1:46:57report. Committee recommends these

1:46:59petitions out favorably to the full

1:47:01council.

1:47:02>> Okay. On a motion by councelor Conan,

1:47:04second by councelor Taylor to receive

1:47:06the report. All in favor? I. Report is

1:47:09received.

1:47:10>> Paper 354-26

1:47:12extended hours. Lagard LLC DBA Big Daddy

1:47:16Doggy Daycare located at 10 Maplewood

1:47:18Street. Hours 7 days a week, 24 hours a

1:47:21day. This is a new petition. Paper

1:47:23355-26.

1:47:25Livery Company Cudas Premium Limo

1:47:28located at 244 Kennedy Drive, apartment

1:47:30103, one vehicle new. Paper 356-26,

1:47:35livery driver

1:47:38Kair of 244 Kennedy Drive, apartment

1:47:41103. This is a new petition. Paper

1:47:44357-26.

1:47:46Livery Company AK Luxury Transport LLC

1:47:49located at 252 Kennedy Drive, apartment

1:47:51612, one vehicle new. Paper 358-26,

1:47:55petition livery driver Abukar Kobali of

1:47:59252 Kennedy Drive, apartment 612 Mald

1:48:02and new. Paper 359-26

1:48:05outdoor parking Melrose Storage Facility

1:48:07LLC located at 235 Washington Street 72

1:48:11spaces new paper 360-26 outdoor parking

1:48:153C realy trust located at 54 Winter

1:48:18Street Malden for 22 spaces renewal

1:48:21okay councel or continent for the

1:48:23committee

1:48:29>> thank you uh madame president uh I asked

1:48:31the uh clerk to take all these licenses

1:48:35at once. We had a meeting last week. We

1:48:39met with our compliance people. We went

1:48:42over each license. Uh they had no

1:48:45problems with any of these uh

1:48:49people here and uh I would recommend

1:48:53that we uh grant them their licenses.

1:48:58>> Okay. Okay. On a motion by councelor

1:49:00Cologne Hayes, seconded by councelor

1:49:02Conan to grant these licenses. All in

1:49:05favor? I. Any opposed?

1:49:08>> Those licenses are granted.

1:49:12Congratulations.

1:49:15>> Paper 400-26 committee report. The

1:49:18standing committee on personnel and

1:49:19appointments to homeless referred papers

1:49:21361 and 362 series of 2026. Having

1:49:25considered the same, make the following

1:49:27report. Committee recommends these

1:49:29appointments out favorably to the full

1:49:31council.

1:49:33>> Okay. On a motion by councelor Crow,

1:49:35seconded by councelor Leong to receive

1:49:37the report. All in favor?

1:49:39>> I. The report is received.

1:49:41>> Paper 361-26 mayoral appointment Julian

1:49:44King of 29 Sterling Street Malden as a

1:49:48member of the council on aging said term

1:49:50to commence upon confirmation by the

1:49:51city council and to expire June 12th,

1:49:552029.

1:49:56>> Okay. Councelor Crow for the paper.

1:49:58>> Thank you, Madam President. We met last

1:50:00week and we met with Julie and she's

1:50:02been resident involved for 22 years. She

1:50:05has a 30-year um career of working with

1:50:09the Cambridge um um senior center and

1:50:13their food services manager. So, she

1:50:15really has some expertise in working

1:50:17with um our elder community in a senior

1:50:20center setting. And so she has applied,

1:50:22she actually applied um to this before

1:50:25and she was not chosen. So I was really

1:50:27glad to see that her and the next person

1:50:30um when another position opened up since

1:50:33they did show some interest reach back

1:50:35out to when they say you're going to

1:50:36keep your resume on file, they really

1:50:38mean it. So she's really excited to be

1:50:41able to um support our senior center,

1:50:44not just the on the the council of

1:50:46aging, but really support the senior

1:50:48center and all their endeavors. So, the

1:50:50committee had a lovely conversation. We

1:50:52made a motion to um approve her

1:50:54appointment. Make that motion.

1:50:56>> Okay.

1:50:56>> Okay. On a motion by councelor Crow,

1:51:00seconded by councelor Condan, is this

1:51:02your constituent? Okay. Um we need a

1:51:04roll call to confirm.

1:51:06>> Council clone Hayes. Yes.

1:51:07>> Council Condan,

1:51:08>> Council Crow,

1:51:09>> yes.

1:51:09>> Council Lewong,

1:51:10>> yes.

1:51:11>> Council McDonald,

1:51:12>> yes.

1:51:12>> Council Ali,

1:51:13>> yes.

1:51:14>> Council Taylor.

1:51:15>> Council Winslow, yes.

1:51:16>> Council President Lahan,

1:51:17>> yes. Okay, that confirmation is

1:51:19complete. Okay, she is confirmed. Paper

1:51:22362-26

1:51:24mayoral appointment Arban Timlcina 8side

1:51:28Avenue Malden as a member of the

1:51:29commission on climate action and

1:51:30sustainability said term to commence

1:51:33upon confirmation by the city council

1:51:34and to expire July 20th, 2028.

1:51:37>> Okay, councelor Crow for the paper. Um

1:51:39again we met with um Arbin yesterday and

1:51:42um they really talked about their um

1:51:44their background as a data scientist. Um

1:51:48this is a little new to um Arban. I

1:51:52don't know how to say the last name. The

1:51:54>> butchering

1:51:56not know how to say the last name. the

1:51:58um but he was really um very interested

1:52:00and um enthusiastic about um some of the

1:52:03work that the the commission has been

1:52:04doing and um councelor um McDonald had

1:52:08asked some of the questions um around

1:52:10some of the things in sustainability

1:52:11that they were working on and he um

1:52:13again had applied before and was not

1:52:16selected and really was still interested

1:52:18in the position and excited enthusiastic

1:52:21about the working groups and um talked a

1:52:23lot about the importance of reliable

1:52:26public transportation

1:52:27and um and um the suggestion of using

1:52:30technology as solutions. So he um will

1:52:33bring a new fresh ideas I think to um to

1:52:36this committee and we made a motion to

1:52:39approve his appointment.

1:52:41>> Great. So on a motion by councelor Crow,

1:52:43seconded by councelor Winslow or is this

1:52:46yours?

1:52:47>> Okay.

1:52:48>> Okay. We'll just keep it. Um um we need

1:52:51a roll call to confirm the appointment.

1:52:53>> Council clone Hayes. Yes.

1:52:54>> Council Condan. Council Crow, yes.

1:52:56>> Council Lewong, yes.

1:52:57>> Council McDonald, yes.

1:52:59>> Council Ali, yes.

1:53:00>> Council Taylor,

1:53:01>> Council Winsow, yes.

1:53:02>> Council President Lahan,

1:53:03>> yes.

1:53:04>> Okay, that is also confirmed.

1:53:07>> Okay, he is confirmed. Next order of

1:53:09business.

1:53:09>> That is your docket.

1:53:11>> Okay, the docket is clear. Would anybody

1:53:13like personal privilege?

1:53:16Councelor Leong was first.

1:53:19>> Yes. So actually did you want to um I

1:53:23should resort revert to councelor Taylor

1:53:26for us on to update.

1:53:28>> Don't resort to counselor Taylor.

1:53:33>> Sorry.

1:53:40>> Okay.

1:53:41>> Scavenger hunt October 17th um will

1:53:44benefit the Zanta Club of Malden. We're

1:53:46hoping everybody puts teams in. Um, we

1:53:48need volunteers. So, if you're not one

1:53:51to want to be running around the, um,

1:53:53city trying to, you know, find our

1:53:55clues, we could certainly use your help

1:53:58in, um, maintaining a location. Let

1:54:01either one of us know. Thank you.

1:54:03>> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Leong.

1:54:05Councelor Winsow.

1:54:07>> Yeah. Um just reminder for Salemwood

1:54:09families this um Friday um at Salemwood

1:54:14for the K through four parents there is

1:54:16a um K through4 bingo to rem raise some

1:54:19money for the PTO. So um check in with

1:54:22your teacher that's um 6:00 to 7:30 um

1:54:25at the K to4 cafe there. So um then on

1:54:29um as I mentioned on uh next Monday the

1:54:3328th at Bay State Common Men Safe

1:54:37Streets is hosting Chris Carter who was

1:54:39the head of the state mobility

1:54:41commission who can micro mobility

1:54:43commission who can talk more about that.

1:54:45So I encourage people um as we talk

1:54:47about that issue um that's a great

1:54:50person to talk to. And then um on uh u

1:54:54Sunday, October 4th at 1:00 from 1 to 4,

1:54:58there is the um grand opening of the

1:55:01riverworks park. Um so councelor Crow

1:55:04will be helping to host that. Great work

1:55:06there and exciting to see all that work

1:55:09come to fruition. I took a sneak

1:55:11preview. Actually, what's amazing to me

1:55:13it's it's much bigger space than you

1:55:14might think. So, it's a really nice a

1:55:17nice space and uh really you get go come

1:55:19out and get a perspective of that. Thank

1:55:21you. Great.

1:55:22>> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Winsow.

1:55:24Counselor Taylor,

1:55:26>> thank you. I kind of feel like we should

1:55:28do personal privilege at the beginning

1:55:30so we get all the fun stuff out first.

1:55:32Um but um

1:55:35>> there we go. Um, so in addition to our

1:55:39scavenger hunt, Santa is doing uh

1:55:41coordinating with the library this

1:55:43Thursday night as a tribute to Dolly

1:55:44Parton. We'll be watching 9 to5 and

1:55:46we'll be collecting period products for

1:55:49donation to the warming center. Um, so

1:55:53it is free. There will be snacks. Um,

1:55:56and you know, it'll be nice to get

1:55:59together on on what I'm now referring to

1:56:02as Dolly Eve. um and um honor her. And

1:56:08then um the Haunted Woods are coming

1:56:11back on October 24th. If you're

1:56:14interested in volunteering, we'll be

1:56:16meeting at St. Paul's at 6 p.m. this

1:56:20Sunday night. Um if you're not able to

1:56:24make it, please just reach out, shoot an

1:56:26email, and and we'll find some way to to

1:56:28plug you in. And there's plenty of

1:56:30plenty of need for volunteers at the

1:56:32Haunted Woods and we'll be excited to

1:56:35see everybody on October 24th.

1:56:38And that's all I have.

1:56:39>> Councelor Taylor, do you know for the

1:56:41movie night donations, are there any

1:56:42particular products that are most in

1:56:44need?

1:56:45>> Um, really any products. I think you

1:56:47know having a good um

1:56:52having multiple different kinds of

1:56:54things where it is such a personal

1:56:56choice as to what makes you most

1:56:57comfortable. um I think is is best. So

1:57:02please feel free um to bring anything.

1:57:04We do ask that there you know

1:57:06>> new

1:57:07>> full new fully packaged um so but it's

1:57:12it's all helpful. the warming center did

1:57:14mention that that was like the one thing

1:57:16that they end up going out and spending

1:57:17money on. Um because it is something

1:57:19that I,

1:57:20>> you know, I don't know that I've really

1:57:22put a lot of thought into that before

1:57:24and and

1:57:26>> um so I think doing you know having that

1:57:31um

1:57:32>> yeah,

1:57:33>> you know.

1:57:34>> Okay, good to know.

1:57:35>> Thank you.

1:57:35>> Thank you, Council McDonald.

1:57:38Um, I will see you at the Malden River

1:57:41Works opening. And if you're interested,

1:57:44community members, before then is

1:57:45Malden's public safety day at Lynen Park

1:57:48hosted by our fire department and police

1:57:50and public safety. And so that is 11 to

1:57:541 and um is always a popular event. So

1:57:59I'm I'm not really the host. Usually

1:58:00councelor Seika I think makes this

1:58:02particular announcement, but she's not

1:58:03here today. Wanted to make sure that the

1:58:05word got out. Thank you.

1:58:06>> Great. Thank you, Council McDonald.

1:58:08Councelor Crow.

1:58:09>> Um, thank you, Madam President. I think

1:58:11we have a knock on the door.

1:58:13>> The, um, thank you for reminding me.

1:58:15It's on my calendar, but giving out

1:58:16helmets on October 4th. So, you know,

1:58:19I'll be there.

1:58:20>> And, um, the YW.CA Maldon is having

1:58:22their annual bowling um, event on

1:58:24Friday, October um, 16th. We're always

1:58:27looking for teams. It's really a great

1:58:29um, a lot of businesses put teams in.

1:58:31It's a great um, way to connect with

1:58:33other businesses that are going on in

1:58:35the city. We've made some connections

1:58:36that businesses are working together.

1:58:38It's a great um team building um

1:58:41opportunity for people in um to support

1:58:43um a local community that will be around

1:58:45for 100 years in 2027. Um and October

1:58:4925th, we're calling all trunks. So,

1:58:51we'll be hosting um the annual um trunk

1:58:54or treat. I have not gotten to the time.

1:58:57I got to um kind of work with another um

1:59:00event that's taking place that day um

1:59:02close to um the bike path. So, I want to

1:59:05make sure that we coordinate

1:59:06appropriately, but it'll happen on Canal

1:59:09Street um starting at Medford Street and

1:59:11hopefully all the way down to the um the

1:59:14bike kitchen. That'll be great. So,

1:59:15reach out to me for either one of those

1:59:17events if you want to put a team in, if

1:59:19you want to put a trunk in, or you'll

1:59:21find a way to support. Thank you so

1:59:23much.

1:59:23>> Awesome. Thank you, Councelor Crow.

1:59:25Councelor Cologne Hayes.

1:59:27>> Thank you very much. Um yes, I'm just

1:59:29going to I think second or third uh the

1:59:32riverworks uh project. Uh, I can't

1:59:34believe that it's finally going to be

1:59:35open. It's going to be tremendous. And

1:59:38for anyone who's listening still, I'm

1:59:40glad that the papers that we talked

1:59:42about in finance, I saw a couple of

1:59:43members in the audience that were um on

1:59:45the um Malden Riverworks project uh to

1:59:49make sure that there'll be deeper

1:59:50discussions in there regarding funding

1:59:52that was shifted to uh um from Roosevelt

1:59:56Park to the Molden Riverworks project.

1:59:59They just want to make sure that they

2:00:00are in full support of we're all in

2:00:02support of each other here. So um but I

2:00:05also want to mention that the special

2:00:07event at the library um tomorrow

2:00:09actually September 23rd global to local

2:00:13girls and education in Afghanistan. It's

2:00:15the story of a Malden family. Um, so

2:00:18please join them to learn more about

2:00:21cultural um, and meaningful

2:00:22conversations as they part. This is part

2:00:24of welcoming week with Malden Reeds and

2:00:28the Malden Library. I just want to make

2:00:29sure I'm not leaving anyone out here.

2:00:32Uh, yeah. So that's it. Hope to see you

2:00:34there. Thank you. Great. Thank you,

2:00:36Councelor Cologne Hayes. Um, from the

2:00:38chair, I just wanted to give one more

2:00:39reminder that on October 3rd, Malden

2:00:41Cosplay Celebration is happening again.

2:00:44that's from 10:00 to 5:00 on City Hall

2:00:46Plaza and various other locations

2:00:48downtown. But that would be the place to

2:00:49meet up if you want to be part of it.

2:00:51And then I believe also that day there's

2:00:53going to be um tours of the new public

2:00:56art installations downtown starting at

2:00:584:30 at the area under the tea like

2:01:02right at Summer in Pleasant Street where

2:01:03the new murals are. So couple of really

2:01:06cool things to check out that first

2:01:07weekend in October. Obviously there's

2:01:09tons of great stuff going on but just

2:01:11wanted to get a couple more things in

2:01:12there. um to highlight our gaming

2:01:15district and our public art. So, seeing

2:01:18no other lights, do we have a motion to

2:01:20adjurnn?

2:01:21>> Okay. On a motion by councelor Ali,

2:01:23seconded by councelor Taylor. All in

2:01:25favor?

2:01:26>> I we are adjourned at 9:05. Thank you

2:01:30everyone.

2:01:34>> My guess was nine tonight.

2:01:36>> I was optimistically hoping. Yeah, I

2:01:38think we did.

2:01:38>> There's a lot of text. It's a lot of

2:01:41text, but it wasn't a positive decision.

2:01:43>> Exactly. Doesn't mean we can't