2026-09-28 - Special City Council

Summary

Based on the official captions; names and figures may still be misheard. The captions have a gap of about 12 minutes, roughly 3:17 to 3:29 into the recording, and nothing is reported here about that stretch.

Special meeting of the City Council on September 28, 2026, with seven members present at roll call and Mayor Gunter joining by video after roll call. It consisted of citizens input followed by three public hearings on the North 3 utilities extension project (UEP): Resolutions 243-26, 244-26 and 245-26.
Citizens input: A resident asked for year-end surplus and interest-revenue figures; the City Manager said the books must close and the outside audit finish before they can be released and denied withholding information.
Staff presentation, North 3 UEP Assessment Allocation: Estimated construction cost about $327.8 million and about $384.1 million with soft costs, in eight contracts across seven contract areas. A typical single-family parcel was estimated at $35,264 east of Burnt Store Road and $41,029 west of it, the west figure including $5,765 per equivalent parcel for the Alternative Five road design. Annual payment examples assumed up to 6.25 percent interest: 20-year about $4,266 east and $4,963 west; 25-year about $3,895 and $4,532; 30-year about $3,648 and $4,244. Prepayment opened November 3, 2026, with a hardship deferral program, and about $16 million in grants had been applied for but not awarded. A homeowner information meeting was set for October 19 and a council decision on final assessments and contracts for November 2.
Public comment (speaker claims): Speakers called the assessments unaffordable, objected to homeowners paying for roads and roundabouts they said benefit the whole city, asked that the decision wait for the next council and mayor, and asked about grants, bid transparency, wells and the city-owned golf course being included in the project.
Council voted 7 to 1, with Mayor Gunter opposed, to extend public input another 60 minutes across the three hearings.
Staff answers: The City Manager answered about 19 resident questions. Staff said assessments run with the land; existing wells may stay in use for irrigation only; roundabouts are paid from citywide impact fees; the golf course was included so the city could stop running it on a well and septic; and the maximum estimates use the highest bid unit prices received so far. Staff said delay would let bids expire and restart the process, adding roughly 18 months, and could jeopardize grant eligibility.
Debate: Councilmembers questioned the cost allocation for large parcels and the extra Alternative Five road cost, and several said voting the day before the November 3 election made them uncomfortable. A motion to pause until after the election failed 3 to 5. A motion to call the question earlier in the debate also failed.
Votes: Resolution 243-26 (assessment) was approved 5 to 3. Resolution 244-26 (wastewater improvements) was approved 5 to 3 after one public speaker questioned bid validity; staff said six-month bid validity is standard. Resolution 245-26 (irrigation improvements) was approved 5 to 3 with no public speakers.
The next regular meeting was announced for October 7, 2026, at 4 p.m.; the meeting then adjourned. See also UEP Project Delivery Method.

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02:18ALL RIGHT, LADIES.

02:19>> AND GENTLEMEN.

02:22WELCOME TO THE SPECIAL MEETING

02:23OF THE CAPE CORAL CITY COUNCIL

02:25.

02:25TODAY IS SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2026.

02:27THIS MEETING WILL NOW COME TO

02:29ORDER.

02:30PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF

02:33ALLEGIANCE.

02:35I PLEDGE.

02:37ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE

02:39UNITED STATES.

02:40>> OF AMERICA.

02:41AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH

02:43IT.

02:43STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD,

02:47INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND

02:49JUSTICE FOR ALL.

02:59NO.

02:59HOW ABOUT THAT.

03:01KIND OF.

03:02>> WORK THERE ALREADY SWITCH.

03:03THANK YOU.

03:04DIRTY SWEATY.

03:05WORK THE MAYOR.

03:06YEAH.

03:08SO JUST AS A REMINDER, UM.

03:13IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK DURING

03:15UM.

03:18UH, OUR CITIZENS INPUT PERIOD,

03:22THE CARDS ARE AVAILABLE TO BE

03:23FILLED OUT AND PUT IN THE BOX

03:25AS YOU CAME IN TO YOUR RIGHT.

03:27THOSE THOSE COMMENTS AND THAT

03:29TIME IS SPENT ON THINGS OTHER

03:31THAN AGENDA ITEMS.

03:33THE RESOLUTIONS THAT WILL COME

03:35BEFORE YOU TONIGHT HAVE A TIME

03:37FOR PUBLIC INPUT DURING THEM.

03:39SO IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK IN

03:42REGARD TO THOSE RESOLUTIONS

03:44THEN YOU WOULD SAVE YOUR

03:46COMMENTS FOR THAT PUBLIC INPUT

03:48PERIOD DURING THE ACTUAL

03:50RESOLUTION UM PUBLIC HEARING

03:53PORTION THIS EVENING.

03:54UM SO THAT WILL BE COMING UP

03:56SOON.

03:57UH, SO IF YOU'VE NOT FILLED OUT

03:58A COMMENT CARD FOR THE ACTUAL

04:00CITIZENS INPUT PERIOD, UM, YOU

04:02WOULD FIND THEM ON UH ON THE

04:04RIGHT HAND SIDE AS YOU CAME IN

04:05THE DOOR.

04:07COUNCIL MEMBER.

04:08>> LASTER THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO

04:10TEM I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

04:11MADAM CITY CLERK HOW MANY

04:14COMMENT CARDS DO WE HAVE RIGHT

04:15NOW FOR PUBLIC INPUT?

04:18WE'RE COLLECTING.

04:19>> THE.

04:20BOX RIGHT NOW I IN MY

04:22POSSESSION I HAVE FOUR BUT

04:23THEY'RE BEING BROUGHT OVER TO

04:24ME RIGHT NOW.

04:25OKAY, GREAT.

04:25AND THEN MAYOR PRO TEM, CAN YOU

04:28HELP ME CLARIFY OR MAYBE MISTER

04:30UM CITY ATTORNEY YOU CAN HELP

04:31ME CLARIFY IF HOW LONG DO WE

04:34GIVE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PER

04:37ITEM OR IS THERE NO TIME LIMIT.

04:38PER PERSON?

04:39YEAH PER PERSON IS THREE

04:41MINUTES 60.

04:42>> MINUTES.

04:43THREE MINUTES.

04:43>> WHAT ABOUT THE TIME LIMIT

04:44FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ITSELF?

04:46NO TIME NO NO WE'LL BE THREE

04:48MINUTES PER PERSON.

04:49THREE MINUTES PER PERSON BUT

04:50THEY CAN GO HOURS IF THEY WANT

04:52TO.

04:53>> AS MANY PEOPLE AS WANT TO

04:54SPEAK THEY CAN.

04:54ITEM OKAY AND THEN UM JUST

04:58MADAM CITY CLERK COULD YOU LET

04:59US KNOW IF WE HAVE MORE THAN 60

05:01COMMENT CARDS?

05:05BUT YOU KNOW.

05:06>> IT WOULD.

05:07>> OH SORRY.

05:0820 MORE THAN 20.

05:09SORRY, SORRY I'VE BEEN WRITING

05:11GRANTS ON THE 60.

05:23SO I HAVE 17 COMMENT CARDS BUT

05:25SOME OF THEM MAY BE GENERAL

05:27CITY BUSINESS AND SOME OF THEM

05:28MAY BE FOR UAP.

05:30OKAY, PERFECT.

05:31THANK YOU.

05:31THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR PRO TEM.

05:32ALL RIGHT.

05:33YOU'RE WELCOME.

05:34THANK YOU.

05:34UM, MADAM CITY CLERK, PLEASE

05:37CALL THE ROLL.

05:40YES.

05:41>> BEFORE I CALL THE ROLL, I

05:42WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THAT

05:43MAYOR GUNTER WILL BE ARRIVING

05:45VIA TEAMS AFTER ROLL CALL.

05:48MAYOR PRO TEM STINKY HERE.

05:52COUNCIL MEMBERS TUNNEL HERE.

05:53COULD DUKE.

05:55HERE KILL RAIN YOUR LAST STRAW.

05:57HERE LEMON.

05:58HERE LONG.

06:00HERE SEVEN PRESENT ONE EXCUSED.

06:03THANK YOU.

06:04>> SO WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN LAST

06:05CALL UH, FOR COMMENT CARD.

06:07SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER

06:09FIVE IS OUR CITIZENS INPUT TIME

06:11CITIZENS BUT TIME IS A MAXIMUM

06:12OF 60 MINUTES AND SET ASIDE FOR

06:14INPUT OF CITIZENS ON MATTERS

06:16CONCERNING CITY GOVERNMENT

06:18THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL

06:19AND WE'LL BE USING THE PODIUM

06:21ON YOUR RIGHT OUR LEFT.

06:23UM AND UH, JUST A REMINDER IF

06:25IF IN FACT YOU FILLED OUT A

06:27COMMENT CARD AS IT RELATES TO

06:28ONE OF THE RESOLUTIONS, JUST

06:30SIMPLY LET THE CITY CLERK KNOW

06:32THAT WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED

06:33SO THAT YOU CAN BE SAVED FOR

06:34THAT PUBLIC UH, FOR THAT UH,

06:36PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

06:38UM, SO IF YOU READ OUR FIRST

06:42TWO PARTICIPANTS.

06:43JACK TOR BECK AND TOM SHADRACH.

06:53IS PODIUM.

06:54>> YES.

06:55THAT'S IT.

06:57UH, I'M HERE BECAUSE UP THREE

06:59SO DO YOU WANT TO HEAR THAT NOW

07:01?

07:01UM, IF IT'S IF IT'S IN REGARD

07:03TO THAT RESOLUTION UP THREE

07:05THEN YOU'D WANT TO UH PRESENT

07:07THAT DURING THE PUBLIC INPUT

07:09PORTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

07:11SO LATER SO.

07:12LATER YES.

07:12YEAH.

07:14THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW

07:15THAT.

07:19HI, TOM.

07:20SHADRACH I DID FILL OUT A CARD

07:21TO TALK ABOUT THE UP BUT I'LL

07:22WAIT TO THE HEARING.

07:23BUT I DO HAVE ANOTHER TOPIC

07:26WHERE AT THE END OF OUR FISCAL

07:27YEAR ONLY TWO DAYS LEFT.

07:29AND I'VE ALWAYS TALKED FOR THE

07:31LAST YEAR, UH, ABOUT SURPLUSES.

07:34UH, I KNOW WE HAD A HIGH TAXES

07:38LAST YEAR.

07:40I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT IS HOW

07:43MUCH INTEREST REVENUE DO WE

07:45HAVE LEFT IN THIS YEAR THAT

07:47WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LEFT OVER?

07:49AND HOW MUCH DID WE UNDER RUN

07:51STAFFING AND OPERATIONS TO SEE

07:53HOW MUCH SURPLUS WE'LL HAVE?

07:55THAT INFORMATION IS KNOWN I'M

07:57SURE BY OUR CITY MANAGER AND

07:59FINANCE THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO

08:01KNOW IT UNTIL NEXT MARCH WHEN

08:02THE UH ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE

08:05FINANCE FINANCIAL REPORTS DONE.

08:07BUT WE SHOULD GET THAT DATA AS

08:08SOON AS WE CAN SO WE KNOW HOW

08:11MUCH, YOU KNOW, UNDISTRIBUTED

08:14OR UNUSED BUDGET RESERVES THAT

08:17ARE AVAILABLE FOR US TO USE AS

08:18WE'RE MAKING SOME TOUGH

08:20DECISIONS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE

08:21OF MONTHS.

08:22SO IF WE COULD GET THAT DATA

08:23EARLIER WHICH I KNOW THEY HAVE

08:26BUT THEY DON'T SHARE IT WITH

08:27YOU BUT YOU SHOULD ASK FOR IT.

08:29THANK YOU.

08:31THANK YOU.

08:32>> SO THE NEXT FIVE CARDS I

08:36HAVE DO REFERENCE UP ON THEM

08:38BUT IN CASE THE RESIDENTS ARE

08:40HERE FOR ADDITIONAL.

08:40TOPICS I'LL CALL THEIR NAMES

08:42OKAY JOHN HEPNER CHAD LAWSON.

08:47SAME DAVE NEWTON, MICHAEL REGO

08:52,CLINT BLAND.

08:55,UAP.

08:56>> JOE ANGUS SARNO.

08:58>> WE NEED.

09:01LISA KING AND RANDY CANTRELL.

09:04YOU WILL BE.

09:07JENNIFER JEN ALVAREZ WADA AND.

09:13YOU WILL BE GOING DOWN.

09:17YES JEFF ASBURY.

09:20IF YOU NEED.

09:21>> LEE VAN GELDER.

09:23YOU BE.

09:25LISA COHEN ATKINSON YOU.

09:27EASY MIKE STEWIE STONE, MIKE

09:31STONE, CHRIS WALL, ZACH WEST

09:36OWEN.

09:38THAT'S THE END OF THE COMMENT

09:40CARDS.

09:41OKAY.

09:41>> THANK YOU.

09:42SEEING NO MORE CARDS.

09:44UH, CITIZENS INPUT IS NOW

09:44CLOSED.

09:49SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR

09:51LEGISLATIVE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

09:52WELL, YES.

09:53OOPS.

09:54SORRY.

09:56COUNCIL CAN'T WORRY.

09:58>> YOU KNOW, JUST A COMMENT ON

09:59SO THIS IS IMPORTANT.

10:00CITY MANAGER.

10:01AND CITY.

10:02UH CITY MANAGER.

10:04UH, IF YOU COULD PLEASE.

10:06ADVISE WHAT THINGS YOU'RE NOT

10:08SHARING WITH US.

10:17NONE.

10:17>> THANK YOU.

10:19EVERY PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT

10:21YOU ASKED FOR YOU OBTAIN.

10:23YOU KNOW THIS AND.

10:27TO SAY THAT IN FRONT OF A ROOM

10:29OF PEOPLE IS IS JUST IT'S

10:31UNCALLED FOR.

10:32IT REALLY I ASK IT THANK YOU.

10:33WE DON'T GO THROUGH OUR YEAR

10:35END AUDIT WITH THE EXTERNAL

10:37FINANCIAL AUDITORS UNTIL AFTER

10:39THE BOOKS ARE CLOSED.

10:41ANYBODY THAT'S IN A BUSINESS

10:43SETTING OR A GOVERNMENT WORLD

10:45KNOW THAT WE'LL CLOSE THE BOOKS

10:47AND THEN THERE'S A SOFT AND A

10:49HARD CLOSE.

10:50SO WE STILL HAVE INVOICES THAT

10:52NEED TO COME IN.

10:53THERE'S STILL PAYROLL THAT

10:54NEEDS TO BE PAID OUT, BENEFITS

10:56THAT NEED TO BE DONE FROM

10:57HEALTH UH, YOU KNOW,

10:59SELF-INSURED HEALTH CARE PLANS

11:00ALL OF THOSE NEED TO BE

11:02ACCOUNTED FOR ON THE LEDGER

11:05BEFORE THE AUDITORS CAN EVEN

11:06START THEIR WORK.

11:08SO IT'S NOT SOME GAME THAT

11:11ADMINISTRATION USES TO WITHHOLD

11:13INFORMATION FROM COUNCIL.

11:15IT'S PUBLIC SECTOR BUSINESS AND

11:18HOW ACCOUNTING WORKS IN

11:19GOVERNMENT THERE ARE ASK ANY

11:21OTHER OUTSIDE EXTERNAL AUDITOR

11:25THE NUMBERS COME OUT THEY'RE

11:27KNOWN THEY ALL GETS VERIFIED.

11:28WE'RE NOT HIDING ANYTHING THANK

11:30YOU.

11:31THANK YOU.

11:32>> CITY MANAGER.

11:32>> AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING

11:33THAT POINT OUT THAT.

11:34EVERY TIME.

11:35>> THAT WE HAVE, UH,

11:37INFORMATION PASSED ON IT

11:39DOESN'T GET REFUTED WHEN IT'S

11:41INCORRECT.

11:41UH, CREATES DISSENSION AND UH,

11:45QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MANNER IN

11:47WHICH BUSINESS IS BEING DONE.

11:49AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE AN

11:52OBLIGATION TO BRING IT OUT WHEN

11:52IT OCCURS.

11:53THANK YOU.

11:54MAYOR PRO TEM.

11:56THANK YOU FOR THAT.

11:58SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO UH, ITEM

12:00SIX IN THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC

12:02HEARINGS.

12:02LEGISLATIVE HEARINGS UH, THE

12:04FIRST OF WHICH IS SIX A

12:05RESOLUTION 243 DASH 26 MADAM

12:08CITY CLERK, PLEASE READ THE

12:10TITLE.

12:11RESOLUTION 243 DASH 26 A

12:14RESOLUTION OF THE MAYOR AND

12:16CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF

12:17CAPE CORAL, FLORIDA RELATING TO

12:19THE CONSTRUCTION AND FUNDING OF

12:21POTABLE WATER IMPROVEMENTS

12:24DESCRIBING THE PROPOSED NORTH

12:25THREE POTABLE WATER IMPROVEMENT

12:26AREA AND THE POTABLE WATER

12:28IMPROVEMENTS NECESSARY FOR THE

12:30PROVISION OF WATER SERVICE

12:31THEREIN.

12:32ESTIMATING THE COST OF THE

12:34IMPROVEMENTS.

12:35ESTABLISHING THE METHOD OF

12:36ASSESSING THE COSTS AND

12:38BENEFITS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS

12:39AGAINST REAL PROPERTY THAT WILL

12:41BE SPECIALLY BENEFITED.

12:43ESTABLISHING A PUBLIC HEARING

12:44TO CONSIDER IMPOSITION OF THE

12:46PROPOSED ASSESSMENTS AND THE

12:48METHOD OF THEIR COLLECTION.

12:50DIRECTING THE PUBLICATION AND

12:52MAILING OF NOTICE OF SUCH

12:53HEARING.

12:54DIRECTING THE PREPARATION OF

12:55PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT ROLES,

12:58DIRECTING THE PROVISION OF

12:59NOTICE AND CERTAIN OTHER

13:00MATTERS IN CONNECTION THEREWITH

13:01AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE

13:03.

13:05THANK YOU.

13:05TURN IT OVER TO STAFF.

13:07GOOD AFTERNOON.

13:09BUD CREIGHTON DESIGN AND

13:11CONSTRUCTION MANAGER.

13:11AND I WILL START THIS EVENING

13:14THIS AFTERNOON'S PRESENTATION

13:15AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO MR.

13:17CRYSTAL FEAST THE FINANCE

13:19DIRECTOR.

13:20SO THIS EVENING WE'RE GOING TO

13:21GO OVER THE NORTH THREE

13:23UTILITIES EXTENSION PROJECT AND

13:26QUICKLY THIS PRESENTATION IS

13:28GOING TO CONSIST OF THE HISTORY

13:29OF THE PROJECT, THE PROJECT

13:31AREA ESTIMATED COSTS

13:34ASSESSMENTS FINANCING AND WHAT

13:36OUR NEXT STEPS ARE.

13:38CAPE CORAL HAS A LONG HISTORY

13:40WITH THE U.P. AND IT'S BEEN

13:41USED TO EXTEND OUR WATER,

13:43WASTEWATER AND IRRIGATION

13:45INFRASTRUCTURE.

13:46IT'S OCCURRED OVER A LARGE

13:49PORTION OF THE CITY AND PART OF

13:51THE FUNDING MECHANISM HAS BEEN

13:53SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS AND WATER

13:54AND SEWER FEES.

13:56THERE ARE BENEFITS TO CUSTOMERS

14:00CONNECTING TO THESE PUBLIC

14:01UTILITIES.

14:03FOR ONE, WATER CUSTOMERS ARE NO

14:05LONGER SUSCEPTIBLE TO DROUGHT.

14:07THEY'RE ON A POTABLE RELIANT

14:09WATER SYSTEM AND THEY WILL HAVE

14:11HYDRANTS INSTALLED IN THEIR

14:12AREAS WHICH WILL IMPROVE THEIR

14:14FIRE PROTECTION WITH RESPECT TO

14:18WASTEWATER, THEY'LL NO LONGER

14:19HAVE INDIVIDUAL SKEPTICS WHICH

14:21COULD FAIL AND CAUSE MIGRATION

14:23OF NUTRIENTS INTO SURFACE

14:25WATERS OR CANALS.

14:27FINALLY, WITH IRRIGATION WE'RE

14:30REDUCING OUR DEPENDANCE ON THE

14:31FRESHWATER AQUIFER BECAUSE

14:33CUSTOMERS WILL MAKE USE OF THE

14:35CITY'S RECLAIMED WASTEWATER

14:37SYSTEM.

14:40THIS EXHIBIT GOES OVER THE U.P.

14:42HISTORY AND ALL THE AREAS THAT

14:44YOU SEE IN GRAY OR UP AREAS

14:46THAT HAVE BEEN DONE SINCE 1977.

14:50THIS EVENING WE'RE SPEAKING TO

14:52THE SALMON COLORED AREA SHOWN

14:55ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY AT

14:56THE TOP.

14:58THIS IS JUST A SLIDE OF MORE

15:00RECENT UP ACTIVITY NORTH TO

15:04BEING COMPLETED JUST A FEW

15:05YEARS AGO.

15:06NORTH ONE WEST ACHIEVES

15:08SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION

15:09APPROXIMATELY NINE MONTHS AGO

15:11AND NORTH ONE EAST IS CURRENTLY

15:13UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

15:16SO WITH THE UP HISTORY WE'RE

15:19USING THE SAME ASSESSMENT

15:21METHODOLOGY AS WE DID IN SOUTH

15:22WEST SIX AND SEVEN NORTH TO

15:25NORTH ONE WEST AND EAST.

15:26WE'VE GOT TWO COMPONENTS TO THE

15:28LINE EXTENSION ASSESSMENT AND

15:30THE CAPITAL FACILITY EXPANSION

15:32CHARGE ASSESSMENTS MAY BE PAID

15:34IN FULL AT THE BEGINNING OR

15:37THEY MAY BE PAID IN ANNUAL

15:39INSTALLMENTS.

15:40THERE IS NO PENALTY FOR

15:42PREPAYMENT.

15:43FINALLY, CITY FINANCE IS THE

15:45COST FOR CONSTRUCTION WHILE THE

15:48MONEY FROM ASSESSMENT COMES IN

15:49VIA THE SALE OF BONDS.

15:52THIS IS A NORTH THREE PROJECT

15:54AREA.

15:55THERE ARE SEVEN CONTRACT AREAS

15:56IN NORTH THREE THERE ARE A

15:58TOTAL OF EIGHT CONTRACTS THOUGH

16:00THE EIGHTH CONTRACT IS

16:03COMPRISED OF BOTH MASTER PUMP

16:05STATIONS 909 TEN.

16:10THESE ARE THE ESTIMATED COSTS

16:13FOR NORTH THREE AT THIS TIME WE

16:16HAVE RECEIVED SIX OF THE EIGHT

16:18BIDS FOR THIS AREA.

16:22CONTRACT AREAS SIX AND SEVEN

16:24ARE ESTIMATED AND THAT

16:25CURRENTLY BRINGS US TO A TOTAL

16:27ESTIMATED COST OF APPROXIMATELY

16:31$328 MILLION.

16:35THIS IS JUST A SLIDE GOING OVER

16:37SOME OF THE CURRENTLY

16:39SUCCESSFUL BIDDERS ASSOCIATED

16:40WITH NORTH THREE.

16:41THERE ARE ANDREW SITE WORK

16:44GARMENT CONSTRUCTION HAS WON

16:46TWO CONTRACTS SUSIE RAN SUSIE

16:49HAS WON THE UH EXCUSE ME

16:51SOUTHWEST UTILITIES HAS WON THE

16:54CONTRACT FOR THE MASTER PUMP

16:56STATIONS.

16:56WE ALSO HAVE QUALITY

16:58ENTERPRISES AND MITCHELL AND

16:59STORCH.

17:01SO THE ESTIMATED COSTS ARE MADE

17:04UP OF VARIOUS COMPONENTS HERE

17:06WE'VE GOT APPROXIMATELY $258

17:09MILLION IN UTILITIES.

17:10ALTERNATIVE FIVE IS MAKING UP

17:1330.1 MILLION.

17:14THE TWO MASTER PUMP STATIONS

17:16ARE AT 16.9 AND OUR STORM

17:19DRAINS AND ROADS INCLUDING THE

17:21ROUNDABOUTS BRING US TO THE

17:23TOTAL OF 327.8 IN CONSTRUCTION

17:26COSTS.

17:28WE NEED TO ADD OUR SOFT COSTS

17:29ON TO THAT WHICH INCLUDES

17:31CONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCY

17:33CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING

17:35INSPECTION AND OUR DESIGN

17:36ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.

17:37WHICH BRINGS US TO A TOTAL OF

17:41$384 MILLION.

17:45ANOTHER WAY OF BREAKING THIS

17:47DOWN IS WE HAVE 64 MILLION IN

17:50WATER, 141 MILLION IN

17:52WASTEWATER, 70 MILLION IN

17:54IRRIGATION APPROXIMATELY 19 AND

17:56STORM DRAIN 3.4 AND ROAD

17:59IMPROVEMENTS 30.1 FOR

18:01ALTERNATIVE FIVE AND 700,000

18:03FOR FIBER.

18:05SO HERE ARE OUR FUNDING SOURCES

18:08FOR THIS PROJECT 179.3 MILLION

18:13WILL COME FROM THE LINE

18:14EXTENSION ASSESSMENT 142.5 WILL

18:17COME FROM THE CAPITAL FACILITY

18:18EXPANSION CHARGE APPROXIMATELY

18:2235.5 THE ALTERNATIVE FIVE ROAD

18:25IMPROVEMENTS 4.5 MILLION FOR

18:27TRANSPORTATION 21.6 FOR

18:29STORMWATER 700,000 FOR FROM

18:32UTILITIES FEES.

18:33THAT BRINGS US TO OUR TOTAL

18:35COST FOR CONSTRUCTION AND SOFT

18:37COSTS OF $384.1 MILLION.

18:42THE NORTH THREE ASSESSMENTS ARE

18:43GOING TO FOLLOW THE SAME

18:45METHODOLOGY AS WE HAVE USED

18:47BEFORE THE LINE EXTENSION

18:51ASSESSMENT WILL BE BASED ON

18:53EQUIVALENT PARCELS, WHICH IS

18:54BASED ON A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT

18:57PIECE OF PROPERTY.

18:59THE CAPITAL FACILITY EXPANSION

19:01CHARGE IS BASED ON EQUIVALENT

19:03RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

19:06SO FINALLY HERE WE WANTED TO

19:08GIVE A BRIEF RECAP OF HOW WE

19:10CAME TO WHERE WE ARE WITH THE

19:12ALTERNATIVE FIVE ROAD

19:13IMPROVEMENTS AND THERE WERE

19:15SOME REQUESTS FROM RESIDENTS IN

19:17THE PROJECT AREA.

19:18AN ALTERNATIVE FIVE WAS

19:20PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AND

19:22THEY DETERMINED TO MOVE FORWARD

19:24WITH ALTERNATIVE FIVE ON

19:26DECEMBER 3RD OF 2025.

19:29THIS CROSS SECTION THAT YOU'RE

19:31LOOKING AT NOW.

19:34WOULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF

19:37TROPICANA YUCATAN, KISMET OR

19:39GULF STREAM AT THIS TIME AND

19:42THIS IS THE SECTION THAT WE ARE

19:43MOVING AWAY FROM.

19:46THIS WILL BE THE NEW

19:49ALTERNATIVE FIVE ROAD CROSS

19:50SECTION THAT YOU SEE IN THOSE

19:51AREAS.

19:52AND JUST TO CLARIFY I'LL TURN.

19:54>> IT.

19:55TO FIVE IS TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON

19:57OLD BURN STORE ROAD.

19:59FROM TROPICANA TO KISMET AND IT

20:01IS TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON

20:05TROPICANA, YUCATAN, GULFSTREAM

20:07AND KISMET WEST OF BURNT STORE

20:10ROAD AND HERE WE'RE BACK TO

20:14TYPICAL TWO LANE STABILIZED

20:16SHOULDER AREA WITH A SWELL

20:20ADEQUATE CLEAR SPACE FOR SAFETY

20:21AND THEN ON EITHER SIDE ARE TWO

20:24TEN FOOT MULTI-USE PATHS.

20:28AND AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO

20:30TURN IT OVER TO MR. CRYSTAL

20:31FEAST.

20:35GOOD AFTERNOON.

20:36FOR THE RECORD CRYSTAL FEAST

20:37FINANCIAL SERVICES DIRECTOR.

20:39ALL RIGHT, SO FOR THE REST OF

20:41THE PRESENTATION I'LL COVER

20:42WHAT ALL OF THIS MEANS TO THE

20:44PROPERTY OWNERS UM, ASSESSMENT

20:46HOW ASSESSMENTS ARE CALCULATED,

20:48WHAT THE ESTIMATE AMOUNTS ARE,

20:50UM, WHAT EXEMPTIONS APPLY AND

20:53HOW HOMEOWNERS UM CAN PAY FOR

20:55THOSE.

20:57SO WE'LL START WITH THE BASIC

20:59UNIT OF MEASURE THE EQUIVALENT

21:01PARCEL ARE EP UH ONE EP EQUALS

21:0410,000FT2 UM OF LAND AND THAT'S

21:08THE SIZE OF A TYPICAL SINGLE

21:09FAMILY LOT IN CAPE CORAL.

21:10NORTH THREE HAS AN ESTIMATED

21:156,668.7 EPS FOR WATER AND

21:17WASTEWATER AND 6600 UH AND UH

21:22633.5 EPS FOR IRRIGATION.

21:24THOSE EPS ARE SPREAD ACROSS

21:26ABOUT 5179 PARCELS FOR WATER

21:29AND WASTEWATER AND 5180 PARCELS

21:32FOR IRRIGATION.

21:36THIS SLIDE SHOWS HOW PARCELS

21:38ARE DISTRIBUTED UH ACROSS THE

21:40PROJECT AREA.

21:41MOST PROPERTIES IN R3 ARE AT OR

21:44NEAR THE STANDARD SIZE.

21:46UM SO YOU'LL SEE 55% OF PARCELS

21:48WILL BE ONE EP, ANOTHER 38.5%

21:52FALL BETWEEN 1.1 AND 1.9 EPS.

21:55UH, THAT MEANS THAT ABOUT 93.5%

21:59OF THE PARCELS IN R3 ARE

22:01BETWEEN 1 AND 2 EPS AND UH,

22:04THIS MATTERS BECAUSE THE DOLLAR

22:05FIGURES UH, YOU'LL SEE ON THE

22:07NEXT SLIDES ARE SHOWN PER EP.

22:09SO FOR MOST PROPERTY OWNERS THE

22:11PER EP NUMBER IS EITHER THE

22:13EXACT UH ASSESSMENT ESTIMATE

22:15YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE

22:17ARE VERY CLOSE TO IT.

22:21SO THE FIRST PART OF THE

22:23ASSESSMENT IS THE LAND AREA

22:25ASSESSMENT ALSO CALLED THE LINE

22:26EXTENSION OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE

22:28ASSESSMENT UH IT PAYS FOR THE

22:30WATER AND IRRIGATION

22:32DISTRIBUTION LINES AND THE

22:33WASTEWATER COLLECTION LINES IN

22:34THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR PROPERTIES

22:36EAST OF BURNETT STORE ROAD.

22:38UH, THE ESTIMATED LAND AREA

22:40ASSESSMENT PREP IS $6,490 FOR

22:44WATER, 14,316 FOR WASTEWATER

22:48AND $6,114 FOR IRRIGATION FOR A

22:51TOTAL OF 26,920.

22:54THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS

22:56CAPITAL FACILITY EXPANSION

22:58CHARGES ARE CFCS UH IT PAYS FOR

23:01EACH PROPERTY SHARE OF

23:02TREATMENT PLANT AND

23:04TRANSMISSION CAPACITY.

23:05UM IT'S BASED ON EQUIVALENT

23:08RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE USED AND

23:10ONE THROUGH IS A STANDARD FIVE

23:13EIGHTH UH INCH METER RECEIVING

23:15ALL THREE UTILITIES.

23:16SO THE ESTIMATED CFC UM TOTAL

23:20FOR UH THOSE PROPERTIES EAST OF

23:23BURNS STORE ROAD IS $8,344.

23:27SO TOGETHER THE ESTIMATED TOTAL

23:29FOR A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY

23:31PROPERTY EAST OF BURNS STORE

23:33ROAD UH IS $35,264.

23:39SO WEST OF BURNS STORE ROAD THE

23:42STRUCTURE IS THE SAME EXCEPT

23:43FOR ONE MAJOR DIFFERENCE AND

23:44I'LL GO OVER THAT.

23:45UM SO WATER IRRIGATION AND CFCS

23:48ARE ALL THE SAME AS THOSE

23:49PROPERTIES EAST OF BURNS STORE

23:51ROAD.

23:51THE ONLY CHANGE IS IN THAT WEST

23:54UH WASTEWATER COLUMN UH, WHICH

23:57ALSO INCLUDES THE ALTERNATIVE

23:58FIVE UH ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT

24:00WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.

24:03SO THIS ADDS UH $5,765 PER EP.

24:08SO THE WASTEWATER AMOUNT UH

24:10THAT YOU SEE THERE IN THE

24:11MIDDLE INCREASES TO $20,081 AND

24:16THIS IS ADDED TO THOSE

24:17PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEY WILL

24:18RECEIVE THE DIRECT BENEFIT OF

24:20THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.

24:22UM, SO THOSE WEST OF BURNS STAR

24:24ROAD RECEIVE A DIRECT BENEFIT.

24:26THEREFORE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT

24:27WILL BE ASSESSED FOR THAT

24:28PORTION OF THE COST.

24:31SO IN TOTAL FOR THOSE WEST OF

24:34BURNS STAR ROAD THE TOTAL IS

24:37$41,029.

24:37FOLKS IF YOU KEEP THE CHATTER

24:39DOWN PLEASE.

24:40THANK YOU.

24:40YEAH.

24:41>> THIS SLIDE THAT YOU SEE

24:44BEFORE YOU COMPARE NORTH THREE

24:46WITH THE ORIGINAL ASSESSMENTS

24:47OF OUR TWO PRIOR UP AREAS SO

24:50NORTH ONE EAST AND NORTH ONE

24:51WEST.

24:52AND SO JUST A FEW THINGS TO

24:53POINT OUT.

24:54UH THE ORIGINAL ASSESSMENT FOR

24:55NORTH ONE EAST THAT'S THAT

24:57FOURTH COLUMN INCLUDED A SEWER

24:59GRANT WHICH LOWERED THE

25:00ASSESSMENT BY ABOUT $4,000

25:02NORTH ONE WEST WHICH IS THE

25:04LAST COLUMN UM A GRANT WAS

25:06SECURED BUT NOT BEFORE THE

25:08ORIGINAL ASSESSMENT CAME OUT.

25:09SO UM, ONCE WE DO OUR FINAL

25:12RECONCILIATION, THE TOTAL

25:14AMOUNT OF THAT ASSESSMENT WILL

25:15BE REDUCED BY ABOUT $4,000

25:18BRINGING IT DOWN TO 29,000.

25:20SO FOR NORTH THREE EAST UH, WE

25:22HAVE APPLIED FOR GRANTS UH,

25:24RIGHT NOW ABOUT $16 MILLION AND

25:27IF AWARDED THE OVERALL

25:29ASSESSMENT MAY BE REDUCED UH,

25:30FROM WHAT THE AMOUNT YOU SEE

25:32BEFORE YOU.

25:36IN ADDITION TO THE ASSESSMENT,

25:38PROPERTY OWNERS WILL HAVE SOME

25:40CONNECTION COSTS, UH, WHICH

25:41THEY PAY DIRECTLY ONCE THE CITY

25:43SENDS A NOTICE OF AVAILABILITY

25:45,THE HOMEOWNER WILL NEED TO

25:46HIRE A LICENSED PLUMBER, UH, TO

25:48HOOK THE HOUSE UP TO THE NEW

25:50SYSTEM.

25:50UH, THAT TYPICALLY RUNS 3 TO

25:53$5000 ON TOP OF THAT, UH,

25:55THERE'S $100 FOR THE SEPTIC

25:57ABANDONMENT PERMIT, UM, FROM

25:59THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, ABOUT

26:02$325 FOR THE WATER METER AND

26:06$225 ACCOUNT DEPOSIT.

26:09UH.

26:10>> NEXT I'LL GO OVER EXEMPTIONS

26:14.

26:14FOLKS, PLEASE.

26:16THE EXEMPTIONS AND CITY

26:18CONTRIBUTIONS INCLUDED IN THE

26:19ASSESSMENT PROGRAM FOR

26:21GOVERNMENTAL PARCELS PROPERTIES

26:22OWNED BY THE CITY ARE ASSESSED

26:23LIKE ANY OTHER BENEFITING

26:25PROPERTY.

26:25UH, SO CITIES ARE ASSESSED UH,

26:27THE SAME AND PAY THE ASSESSMENT

26:30FROM LEGALLY AVAILABLE FUNDS.

26:31UH, THE SAME APPLIES TO

26:33PROPERTIES OWNED BY THE COUNTY

26:35AND STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

26:37SUCH AS COUNTY SCHOOLS AND UH

26:38COUNTY LIBRARIES.

26:40UH THE CITY PAYS THOSE

26:40ASSESSMENTS ALSO FROM LEGALLY

26:42AVAILABLE FUNDS.

26:44THE SECOND CATEGORY THAT IS

26:47EXEMPT IS INSTITUTIONAL

26:48PROPERTIES.

26:49UH, THESE PROPERTIES ARE WITH

26:51FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE

26:53CLASSIFICATION CODES OF 70

26:54THROUGH 79.

26:56UH THEY INCLUDE CHURCHES AND

26:58TEMPLES, PRIVATE SCHOOLS,

27:00COLLEGES UH PRIVATELY OWNED

27:02HOSPITALS, HOMES FOR THE AGED,

27:04NONPROFIT ORPHANAGES,

27:05CEMETERIES, CLUBS AND LODGES

27:07AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

27:08UH, SO THESE PROPERTIES INCLUDE

27:10SERVICES AND FACILITIES TO

27:11THEIR OWNERS MEMBERS IN THE

27:13GENERAL PUBLIC, UH, THAT MIGHT

27:15OTHERWISE BE ASKED UH ARE

27:17REQUIRED TO BE PROVIDED BY THE

27:18CITY.

27:18UM SO BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, THEY

27:22THEY PROVIDE A PARTIAL BENEFIT

27:24PUBLIC BENEFIT AND RECEIVE UH

27:26SOME RELIEF FROM THE PROGRAM.

27:29AND SO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IS

27:31UM HERE ON THIS SCREEN AND

27:33BASICALLY THE CITY MAKES AN

27:35ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION EACH FISCAL

27:37YEAR, UH, COVERING 85% OF THE

27:39ASSESSMENT OVER ONE.

27:40YEP.

27:41UH, THE SO THE PROPERTY OWNERS

27:42ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR UP TO ONE

27:45AP AND ALL CFE CFC FEES UM AND

27:48THE PROPERTY UH WILL REMAIN IN

27:51THIS PROGRAM UH AND ONLY BE

27:53REMOVED UM, IF THEY FAIL TO

27:55MAKE THEIR ANNUAL UM

27:57INSTALLMENT UH, AND UM AND A

28:00TAX CERTIFICATE IS UH, ISSUED

28:03OR THEY NO LONGER FALL INTO THE

28:05INSTITUTIONAL PROPERTIES

28:07CATEGORY.

28:11THE THIRD CATEGORY UH OF

28:14EXEMPTION IS IRRIGATION

28:15PROHIBITED CONNECTIONS AND

28:17UNDER THE CITY CODE CERTAIN

28:19PARCELS UM ARE NOT ALLOWED TO

28:20CONNECT TO IRRIGATION UNTIL

28:22NEARBY PROPERTIES ARE SERVICED

28:24.

28:24UH ARE SERVED BY POTABLE WATER.

28:27UM AND SO SINCE THE CITY

28:29ADVANCES THE LAND AREA

28:31ASSESSMENT FOR THOSE PARCELS UH

28:32WHEN A CONNECTION IS PERMITTED

28:33LATER THE CITY IS REIMBURSED

28:36FOR THOSE FUNDS UH THAT IT

28:39ADVANCED.

28:43SO BASED ON THE ALLOWED

28:45EXEMPTIONS, THIS IS WHAT THE

28:46CITY CAN EXPECT TO COVER OVER

28:48TIME UM, 15.5 MILLION UPFRONT

28:50OR 1.6 MILLION IN ANNUAL

28:52INSTALLMENTS OVER 30 YEARS

28:54TOTALING 47.7 MILLION AND

28:57REPAYMENTS FOR GOVERNMENTAL

28:58PARCELS THE CITY WOULD PREPAY

28:59THE AMOUNT OWED UM HOWEVER, FOR

29:02INSTITUTIONAL PROPERTIES AND

29:04PROHIBITED IRRIGATION

29:05CONNECTIONS.

29:05ANNUAL INSTALLMENTS ARE

29:06TYPICALLY MADE.

29:09NOW HOW PROPERTY OWNERS CAN PAY

29:11THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS THAT

29:12ARE AVAILABLE UH THE FIRST IS

29:14THE INITIAL PREPAYMENT PERIOD

29:15FROM NOVEMBER 3RD 2026 THROUGH

29:20MARCH 31ST 2027.

29:21UH AND THIS GIVES OWNERS THE

29:22LOWEST TOTAL COST.

29:24THE SECOND OPTION IS DURING THE

29:26INTERIM PREPAYMENT PERIOD FROM

29:29APRIL 1ST 2027 THROUGH JULY

29:3131ST, 2027 AND OWNERS CAN STILL

29:33PAY IN FULL AT A SLIGHTLY

29:34HIGHER AMOUNT.

29:35UM AND THE THIRD OPTION AND THE

29:38DEFAULT OPTION IS AMORTIZED

29:39PAYMENTS.

29:40UM IF AN OWNER DOES NOTHING THE

29:42ASSESSMENT IS PLACED ON AN

29:44ANNUAL PROPERTY TAX BILL FOR 30

29:46YEARS.

29:47UM AND THERE'S NO PREPAYMENT

29:49PENALTY.

29:50UM, SO AN OWNER ON AN

29:52INSTALLMENT PLAN CAN PAY OFF

29:54THE BALANCE AT ANY TIME.

29:56UM, AN OWNER MAY ALSO CHOOSE A

29:58LESSER TERM 20 OR 25 YEARS AS

30:01WELL.

30:02THE FIRST INSTALLMENT WILL

30:04APPEAR ON THE NOVEMBER 2027 TAX

30:06BILL.

30:09FOR PROPERTIES EAST OF BURN

30:10STAR ROAD.

30:11UH AND THIS IS THE PORTION THAT

30:13DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT

30:15ALTERNATIVE FIVE ROAD

30:16IMPROVEMENT UH THE INITIAL

30:18PREPAYMENT PERIODS AMOUNT

30:21PREPAYMENT PERIOD AMOUNTS UM

30:23TOTAL THE $35,264.

30:31WEST OF BURN STAR ROAD DURING

30:33THAT INITIAL PREPAYMENT IT'S

30:36$41,029 IF AN OWNER UH EAST OF

30:41BURNS STAR ROAD PAYS IN FULL

30:43DURING THE INTERIM PERIOD.

30:43SO THAT'S THAT SECOND

30:45PREPAYMENT PERIOD.

30:46UM THE COST GOES UP SLIGHTLY BY

30:50$279 TO COVER THE CARRYING

30:51COSTS FOR THE CITY.

30:54AND THEN IT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE

30:57FOR WEST OF BURNED STAR ROAD.

30:58UH, IT WOULD TOTAL 41,003 51

31:02ABOUT A $322 UM INCREASE IN

31:06THAT INTERIM PREPAYMENT PERIOD

31:07.

31:10SO NOW THE NEXT FEW SLIDES I'LL

31:12GO OVER UM THE PAYMENT TERMS

31:15FOR 2025 AND 30 YEAR FOR EAST

31:18OF BURN STAR ROAD AND WEST OF

31:19BURN STAR ROAD.

31:20SO I'LL I'LL FLIP FLOP BETWEEN

31:22THE TWO AREAS BUT I'LL COVER 20

31:25,25 AND 30 YEAR TERMS FOR

31:27EACH.

31:28SO EAST OF BURN STAR ROAD UM

31:31ANNUAL PAYMENTS OVER 20 YEARS

31:34YOU CAN EXPECT UM AN ANNUAL

31:37ASSESSMENT OF ABOUT $4,266.

31:40THIS INCLUDES AN ESTIMATED UM

31:43MAXIMUM INTEREST RATE COMPONENT

31:45OF 6.25%.

31:48UM THAT IS THE MAXIMUM UM

31:50OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE GO OUT FOR

31:52DEBT AND ACTUALLY FINANCE THE

31:54COST OF THE BONDS UH ARE THE

31:57PROJECT WE WILL HAVE AN

31:59ACCURATE NUMBER OF WHAT THAT

32:00INTEREST LOOKS LIKE AT THAT

32:01TIME.

32:02BUT FOR AS FAR AS AN ESTIMATE

32:03GOES, WE'VE ESTIMATED IT AT THE

32:06MAXIMUM RATE OF 6.25.

32:0728 WEST OF BURN STAR ROAD 20

32:11YEAR TERM WOULD BE $4,963.

32:17EAST OF BURN STAR ROAD 25 YEAR

32:21TERM EACH YEAR UH OVER 25 YEARS

32:25YOU CAN EXPECT $3,895 WEST OF

32:30BURN STAR ROAD.

32:31ANNUAL PAYMENT OF OF A 25 YEAR

32:34TERM WOULD BE $4,532.

32:41EAST OF BURN STORE ROAD UM THE

32:4430 YEAR TERM AND AGAIN THIS IS

32:47THE DEFAULT AND WOULD APPLY IF

32:49PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T CHOOSE

32:50THE LESSER TERMS WOULD BE

32:55$3,648 EACH YEAR.

32:59WEST OF BURN STAR ROAD ANNUAL

33:01PAYMENTS 30 YEAR TERM WOULD BE

33:05$4,244.

33:11SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS ALL THREE

33:13TERMS SIDE BY SIDE FOR

33:14PROPERTIES EAST OF BURN STAR

33:15ROAD.

33:16UM BOTH THE EP AND CFC

33:18COMPONENTS ARE ESTIMATED USING

33:20AGAIN LIKE I SAID THE 6.25% UH

33:23INTEREST RATE UH AGAIN THE

33:25FINAL RATE WILL BE SET WHEN THE

33:26CITY PRICES THE BONDS FOR NORTH

33:28THREE UM IF MARKET RATES AT

33:30THAT TIME ARE LOWER THAN

33:32OBVIOUSLY PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD

33:33PAY THE LOWER RATE.

33:37SAME GOES FOR WEST BURN STORE

33:39ROAD.

33:39THESE ARE THE THREE TERMS SIDE

33:41BY SIDE.

33:46SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S

33:48SIGNIFICANT COSTS FOR MANY UM

33:50HOUSEHOLDS.

33:50THERE ARE TWO ASSISTANT

33:51PROGRAMS STARTING WITH THE

33:53HARDSHIP PROGRAM UM THIS

33:55PROGRAM LETS QUALIFYING OWNERS

33:57DEFER THEIR ANNUAL ASSESSMENT.

33:59UM UM IT APPLIES ONLY TO OWNERS

34:02ON THE AMORTIZE PAYMENT PLAN

34:04NOT PREPAYMENTS.

34:05AND ELIGIBILITY IS BASED ON

34:07HOUSEHOLD INCOME AND OWNERS

34:09MUST REAPPLY AND QUALIFY EACH

34:11YEAR.

34:13THE SECOND PROGRAM IS THE

34:15COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK

34:16GRANT OUR CDBG UH THIS PROGRAM

34:20GRANTS UH PROVIDES GRANTS TO

34:21VERY LOW INCOME FAMILIES TO

34:23HELP WITH CONNECTION COSTS.

34:25UH, THAT INCLUDES THE PLUMBING

34:27FROM THE METER TO THE HOME, THE

34:29SEPTIC ABANDONMENT FEE AND THE

34:30WATER METER FEE.

34:31UH, THESE ARE THE COSTS I

34:33COVERED.

34:34UM, DURING A PREVIOUS SLIDE.

34:39ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT COMES NEXT?

34:41UM, ON OCTOBER 19TH, 2026,

34:44STAFF WILL HOLD A HOMEOWNERS

34:45INFORMATIONAL MEETING.

34:47UM, FOR PROPERTY OWNERS.

34:49RESIDENTS CAN COME AND LEARN

34:51ABOUT THE PROJECT, UH, REVIEW

34:53THEIR ESTIMATED ASSESSMENTS AND

34:55ASK QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO STAFF

34:57AND CONTRACTORS.

34:59UM, ON NOVEMBER 2ND STAFF WILL

35:01RETURN TO COUNCIL FOR THE THREE

35:03ITEMS LISTED HERE.

35:04THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE

35:05FINAL ASSESSMENT RESOLUTIONS UM

35:08A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE

35:10CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS AND THE

35:12RESOLUTION TO APPROVE UH

35:14CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING AND

35:15INSPECTION CONTRACT.

35:18AND IF COUNCIL APPROVES THESE

35:19ITEMS, WE EXPECT TO ISSUE THE

35:21NOTICE TO PROCEED FOR

35:22CONSTRUCTION IN DECEMBER OF

35:242026.

35:25ALL RIGHT.

35:26UM AND SO THAT CONCLUDES THE

35:29PRESENTATION.

35:29WE JUST ASKED THAT'S UH WE NOW

35:31ASKED COUNCIL TO ADOPT THE

35:32INITIAL RESOLUTIONS AND THIS

35:34PRESENTATION UH, IS FOR THE

35:38RESOLUTION READ INTO THE RECORD

35:39AND THE NEXT TWO AS WELL.

35:41THANK YOU.

35:41>> OKAY.

35:45>> THANK YOU.

35:45UM AND CRYSTAL, BEFORE YOU

35:47LEAVE BEFORE I OPEN IT UP FOR

35:48UM, PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU HAD

35:52MENTIONED UH, THAT UH, ONE OF

35:53THE NUMBERS DID NOT REFLECT UH,

35:56GRANTS THAT WERE APPROVED BUT

35:57IF THE GRANTS WERE APPROVED,

36:00UM, THAT IT WOULD REDUCE THE

36:00COST BY THE AMOUNT OF THE GRANT

36:02.

36:02DO WE HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE THAT

36:06THAT WE EXPECT TO GET THE

36:08RESPONSE ON WHETHER THE WHEN

36:09THOSE GRANTS WOULD BE APPROVED

36:11?

36:11NOT AT THIS TIME AND I JUST

36:13WANT TO CLARIFY IT WOULDN'T

36:14REDUCE IT BY THE TOTAL AMOUNT

36:15OF THE GRANT.

36:16THERE ARE PORTIONS OF THE GRANT

36:17THAT WOULD BE FOR ASSESSABLE

36:19COSTS AND SOME ARE NON

36:20ASSESSABLE COSTS.

36:21SO UM THE GRANTOR WOULD

36:23DETERMINE WHICH YOU KNOW WHICH

36:25WOULD APPLY TO WHICH BUT UM YOU

36:28KNOW REGARDLESS ONCE THAT THAT

36:30IS DETERMINED WE WOULD APPLY

36:32THAT TO THE FINAL

36:34RECONCILIATION OF THE PROJECT.

36:35WE DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATE AT

36:36THIS TIME IT'S STILL PENDING

36:38AWARD.

36:39UM AND SO THE GRANTOR HASN'T

36:40ACTUALLY AWARDED THE GRANT YET

36:42.

36:42WE DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE FOR

36:44THAT.

36:45ALL RIGHT THANK YOU.

36:47BEFORE YOU OPEN.

36:48>> IT I HAVE A QUESTION.

36:50WE HAVE OUR TIME FOR OUR.

36:51COMMENTS OKAY.

36:52THANK YOU.

36:54UM OKAY.

36:56UH I WILL NOW OPEN UP FOR

36:57PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S

36:58ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON

36:59RESOLUTION 24326.

37:01UM, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

37:03WE'LL BE USING THE PODIUM TO UH

37:05YOUR RIGHT, OUR LEFT.

37:07UH, AND IF WE CAN MAKE THE

37:09LINE, UH, GO ALONG THE BACK

37:11WALL, UH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

37:14WE'LL OPERATE ON A FIRST COME

37:15FIRST SERVE BASIS AND AS SOON

37:16AS WE GET, UH, DONE HERE WE

37:20HAVE PEOPLE OUT, UH, IN THE

37:22LOBBY THAT, UH, ARE WISHING TO

37:24SPEAK AS WELL WHEN YOU COME TO

37:26THE WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM

37:30FOLKS, LET'S.

37:31>> FOLKS IF IF WE CAN KEEP IT

37:36DOWN UM, SO THAT EACH PERSON

37:38THAT GETS TO SPEAK UH CAN BE

37:40HEARD NOT ONLY HERE IN THE ROOM

37:42BUT ALSO FOR THOSE THAT ARE

37:43WATCHING UH, THROUGH TECHNOLOGY

37:45UH, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED

37:48AND BUT.

37:50THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

37:51>> AND BEFORE YOU BEGIN

37:56SPEAKING, IF YOU COULD PLEASE

37:57STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

37:58OKAY.

37:59>> THANK YOU.

38:01MY NAME IS MICHELLE BALLANTINE

38:02.

38:03I HAVE A TWO PART QUESTION.

38:05I'M PRIMARILY LOOKING AT THE

38:06EAST ON THE FINANCING FOR THE

38:0830 YEARS AND IT SPECIFICALLY

38:11SAYS ANNUAL PAYMENT INCLUDES

38:13PRINCIPAL INTEREST AND THEN

38:15COLLECTION COSTS AND STATUTORY

38:17DISCOUNT RECOVERY.

38:19I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL

38:21AMOUNT THAT WE'RE FINANCING IS

38:23BECAUSE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST

38:25DOESN'T EQUATE TO THE $3,600 A

38:28YEAR.

38:30$227,000 IF YOU FIND THAT WE'RE

38:32GOING IS.

38:32CORRECT BUT IT IS BROKEN IT.

38:35THERE IS NO AMOUNT FOR THE.

38:36FOLKS.

38:36>> JUST SO WE KNOW THIS IS A

38:39TIME FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL TO

38:41COME TO THE PODIUM, GIVE THEIR

38:43INPUT AND THEN ALLOW THE

38:47MICROPHONE TO THE NEXT PERSON.

38:48WHERE WE CAN'T HAVE ONGOING

38:52CONVERSATION QUESTION AND

38:53ANSWER FROM THE GALLERY NOR

38:55WILL WE HAVE QUESTION AND

38:56ANSWER FROM HERE WE WILL

38:57CERTAINLY MAKE NOTE OF ALL OF

38:59THE INPUT AND ALL OF THE

39:01QUESTIONS ASKED, AND THEN WE'LL

39:03ATTEMPT TO GET YOU THE ANSWERS

39:04FOR ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AT ONE

39:06TIME OKAY?

39:07OKAY.

39:08>> THE SECOND PART OF IT IS ON

39:09THE TBD OF THE ESTIMATED FOR

39:12SECTIONS SIX AND SEVEN.

39:13IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER

39:16GROUPINGS THERE AROUND 36 TO 40

39:19MILLION OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT

39:20GOING TO ANSWER IT RIGHT HERE.

39:21BUT MY CONCERN IS WHY IS IT $25

39:25MILLION MORE THAN WHAT THE

39:26AVERAGE IF YOU'RE BASING IT ON

39:28THE SAME ROAD MILES I.E. 9.7 TO

39:329.7 48 TO THE TBD OF 59.

39:38OKAY THANK YOU MA'AM YES SIR.

39:45YES MY NAME IS MIKE REGO.

39:46>> I'M ASKING THE BOARD TO.

39:50ALLOW MY EXISTING PERMITTED

39:53ARTESIAN WELL TO REMAIN UNDER

39:55REASONABLE ENFORCEABLE

39:56CONDITIONS EVEN IF CONNECTION

39:58TO CITY WATER IS REQUIRED.

40:00I SUPPORT PROTECTING CAPE CORAL

40:02GROUNDWATER BUT MY CONCERN IS

40:04THE PERMANENT ABANDONMENT OF

40:06EVERY EXISTING WELL MAY BE

40:08BROADER THAN IS NECESSARY WHEN

40:09A PARTICULAR WELL CAN BE SAFELY

40:12RETAINED, PHYSICALLY SEPARATED

40:14AND REGULATED.

40:15THE CITY'S WELL WATER UH DATA

40:18PORTAL LISTS MY WELL AT 248FT

40:21WITH A RECORDED INTAKE DEPTH OF

40:23100FT.

40:24AS A RESULT, IT IS CONNECTED TO

40:26THE MID HAWTHORN AQUIFER AT

40:29APPROXIMATELY 150 TO 250FT AND

40:31THE LOWER HAWTHORN AT 500FT AND

40:33BELOW DURING THE DROUGHT MANY

40:37REMAIN FREE FLOWING AND PRODUCE

40:39SUBSTANTIAL WATER WITHOUT A

40:41PUMP INCLUDING MY OWN.

40:42DOES IT NOT DISPROVE THE

40:44REGIONAL AQUIFER STRESS?

40:46BUT IT SHOWS THAT THE IMPACTS

40:47WERE NOT UNIFORM DEPTH

40:50CONSTRUCTION GEOLOGY ELEVATION

40:52ARTESIAN PRESSURE.

40:53AS IN MY PUMP UH AND WELL AND

40:56NEARBY PUMPING CAN PRODUCE

40:57DIFFERENT RESULTS FROM ONE

40:58PROPERTY TO ANOTHER.

41:00THEREFORE I'M NOT ASKING THE

41:01BOARD TO IGNORE CONSERVATION

41:03REQUIREMENTS BUT I'M WILLING TO

41:04ACCEPT APPROPRIATE SAFEGUARDS

41:06FOR COMPLETE SEPARATION FROM

41:08CITY POTABLE WATER REQUIRED

41:11BACKFLOW PROTECTION CLEARLY

41:14IDENTIFIED PIPING SHUT OFF

41:16INSPECTION COMPLIANCE AND

41:16DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS AND

41:18REASONABLE MONITORING.

41:19THIS WELL IS PARTICULARLY

41:20IMPORTANT BECAUSE MY WIFE IS

41:22DISABLED AND LIVES WITH CHRONIC

41:24ILLNESSES THAT CAUSE HER

41:25HOUSEHOLD TO REQUIRE

41:27SUBSTANTIALLY MORE WATER THAN

41:28THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD FOR

41:30EXAMPLE DURING A HURRICANE OR A

41:32PROLONGED OUTAGE OR A LOSS OF

41:35CITY WATER, A LACK OF ADEQUATE

41:37WATER.

41:37COULD QUICKLY BECOME A HEALTH

41:39AND SANITATION PROBLEM FOR HER

41:41.

41:41THEREFORE, I REQUEST PERMISSION

41:43TO RETAIN WELL FOR EMERGENCY

41:46POTABLE WATER USE WHEN THE CITY

41:48WATER SERVICE IS UNAVAILABLE.

41:50THE WELL FLOWS WITHOUT

41:52ELECTRICITY SO IT CAN REMAIN

41:53ACTIVE WITHOUT POWER AND

41:56THEREFORE PROVIDES A RELIABLE

41:58SOURCE FOR HER AND THE FAMILY.

41:59THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

42:02THANK YOU SIR.

42:03>> MY NAME IS MIKE STONE.

42:08CLEARLY THERE'S.

42:10SEASONS WHERE BUILDING AND

42:13CONSTRUCTION IS NOT FAVORABLE.

42:15UM IF YOU COMPARE THE 2018

42:17START OF NORTH.

42:18TO THE COST OF THAT IS ROUGHLY

42:23$18,000.

42:23OBVIOUSLY THE COVID EPIDEMIC

42:25HIT PRICE OF CONSTRUCTION WENT

42:26.

42:27>> UP.

42:27AND IT SHOT AND THOSE COSTS

42:28HAVE SHOT THROUGH THE ROOF.

42:30UM, THERE WAS OTHER SEASONS

42:31WHERE THE.

42:31CITY DECIDED TO POSTPONE

42:34PUTTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE AS

42:35WELL.

42:36SOUTHWEST SIX AND SEVEN WAS

42:38APPROVED AND NO FURTHER.

42:40PROJECTS WERE APPROVED FOR.

42:41YEARS AFTER THAT BECAUSE THE

42:43ENVIRONMENT DIDN'T WASN'T

42:44CONDUCIVE TO IT.

42:45WHAT I WOULD.

42:46ARGUE IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT

42:48THE.

42:48GROWTH OF THE INDIVIDUAL

42:50COMPONENTS OF THIS PROJECT

42:52ASPHALT, PLASTIC CONSTRUCTION

42:54MATERIALS, STEEL PIPE AND TUBES

42:55,SAND, GRAVEL, CONCRETE PIPE

42:58ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE UH A

43:02INFLATIONARY NUMBER.

43:03THAT'S 39%, 60%, 68%, 71%, 79%.

43:09YOU WOULD THINK THAT SOMEWHERE

43:11IN THE AVERAGE OF THAT WOULD BE

43:13OUR INCREASE, RIGHT.

43:14BUT INSTEAD OUR INCREASE IF YOU

43:17DON'T COUNT THE ALTERNATIVE

43:19FIVE IS 95%.

43:22SO ALL THE COMPONENTS THAT MAKE

43:23UP THE PROJECT AVERAGE 63%.

43:26BUT SOMEHOW THE CITY IS GETTING

43:28TAKEN TO THE CLEANERS TO THE

43:29TUNE OF 95%.

43:30AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT EIGHT

43:32SEPARATE BIDS DON'T GIVE YOU

43:33ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY HEY,

43:34THIS IS FAIR.

43:35I'M JUST SAYING THE ENVIRONMENT

43:37IN WHICH WE'RE CHOOSING TO MOVE

43:38FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT IS

43:40CLEARLY NOT CONDUCIVE TO THE

43:41PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM GASPING AT

43:43THE THE THE NUMBERS THAT YOU

43:44SAW UP ON THE BOARD THERE.

43:46AND SO IF THERE WAS A DECISION

43:48TO MAKE OF HEY, LET'S POSTPONE

43:49THIS UNTIL A MORE.

43:50FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT, UH, I

43:52WOULD ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO

43:54CONSIDER THAT AND I'M NOT

43:55SAYING GO BACK AND GET EIGHT

43:56NEW BIDS TO FIGURE OUT WHY

43:58WE'RE GETTING TAKEN TO THE

43:59CLEANERS.

43:59FOR 30% MORE THAN THEY DID IN

44:022018.

44:02BUT IT'S HAPPENING AND

44:04EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM IS NOW

44:06EATING THAT WHEN MAYBE IT WOULD

44:08BE WISE TO TO CONSIDER IT AT A

44:10DIFFERENT TIME.

44:12THANK YOU.

44:21FOLKS FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT.

44:22HAVE NOT.

44:23>> BEEN HERE BEFORE AND FOR

44:24SOME THAT HAVE UM OUTBURSTS

44:27LIKE THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED.

44:39FIRES PEOPLE.

44:40THIS REMAINS A BUSINESS MEETING

44:43AND OUT OF RESPECT TO THOSE

44:44THAT ARE WAITING TO SPEAK.

44:48IN PAYING TAXES.

44:50UP HERE.

44:53BUT FOR FOR THOSE THAT FOR

44:57THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW DECORUM

44:59IN THIS ROOM IS EXPECTED TO BE

45:01CAPPED.

45:01AND AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE.

45:05THAT RESPECT.

45:07FIRST OF ALL.

45:08>> THANK.

45:08YOU SIR THANK.

45:10YOU OR.

45:10>> OTHERWISE YOU'LL BE VOTED

45:12OUT AS WELL.

45:13>> DO YOU.

45:16>> WANT TO MAKE A.

45:17PERSONAL I CAN MAKE A NOTE.

45:19HI MY NAME IS CHAD LAWSON AND

45:21I'M UH, RESIDENT UH WEST OF

45:22BURNT STORE.

45:23I HAVE TWO UH, EQUIVALENT

45:25PARCELS UM OR UNITS AS THEY

45:27SAY.

45:27MY QUESTION OR MY UH, COMMENT

45:30WOULD FOCUS AROUND THE, UM,

45:31ALTERNATIVE FIVE UH, ROADWAY

45:33PROJECT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS

45:35UM, IN THE SLIDES WE TALKED A

45:36LOT ABOUT THE BENEFITS OR THE

45:39REASONS FOR UH, US TO MOVE

45:40FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT AND

45:41IT ALL FOCUSED AROUND

45:43WASTEWATER UM, THE YOU KNOW, UH

45:45,ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, UM,

45:47ACCESS TO CLEAN WATER AND

45:49RELIABLE SOURCES ALL OF THAT.

45:50BUT WHY ARE WE TACKING ON

45:52ANOTHER $5,765 FOR EVERY

45:56HOMEOWNER TO FUND THE REDESIGN

45:57OF THE ROADWAY, THE

45:59ROUNDABOUTS, THE BIKE LANES,

46:00THE SIDEWALKS, ETC.?

46:02UM.

46:03>> YEAH.

46:04>> MY QUESTION IS, UH, EMBASSY

46:08PARKWAY JUST SOUTH OF US WAS UH

46:10IN THE I BELIEVE UM NORTH ONE

46:12OR NORTH TWO NORTH TWO UH WAS

46:14COMPLETED UH A FEW YEARS AGO

46:16AND THEY JUST HAD A

46:17MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR UH,

46:19LANDSCAPING ROADWAY CURBING UH

46:20,PROJECT THAT WAS JUST

46:21COMPLETED.

46:22WAS THAT ALSO FUNDED BY SPECIAL

46:23ASSESSMENT OR WAS THAT FUNDED

46:24BY GENERAL REVENUE?

46:25UH, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH IT WAS

46:28FUNDED BY GENERAL REVENUE.

46:29SO WHY ARE WE THEN JUST NORTH

46:30OF THIS BEING FORCED TO PAY

46:32ALMOST $6,000 EXTRA ON TOP OF

46:35THE WASTEWATER AND THE UH,

46:36SEWER ASSESSMENT OR THE WATER

46:37AND SEWER ASSESSMENTS FOR

46:39SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF US

46:40PROBABLY DON'T WANT OR WON'T

46:42USE.

46:42UH, THE LAST THING I'LL ADD IS

46:44THE ALTERNATIVE FIVE DESIGN

46:46THAT WE JUST SAW WAS VERY

46:47SHOCKING AND EYE OPENING TO ME

46:49THAT WE'RE GOING BACK TO A SET

46:50UP OF NO MEDIANS TWO LANES, UH,

46:54RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

46:54IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO

46:56ALLEVIATE SAFETY ISSUES ON

46:57BURNT STORE ROAD WITH A TWO

46:59LANE UH OR A ONE LANE EACH

47:01DIRECTION APPROACH AND WE'RE

47:02GOING TO GET RID OF A MEDIAN

47:03AND GO BACK TO THAT SAME OLD

47:04DESIGN.

47:05UM, IT JUST IT'S SHOCKING TO ME

47:07THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND

47:09$6,000 EXTRA ON SOMETHING THAT

47:10LOOKS LIKE IT'S UH, A WORST,

47:12UH, WORST DESIGN AND A SAFETY

47:14HAZARD FOR FOR MOTORISTS.

47:16SO THANK YOU.

47:17THANK YOU SIR.

47:24GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR PRO TEM.

47:25>> AND COUNCIL.

47:26MY NAME IS LISA KING.

47:27UH, WHILE I.

47:29UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF

47:31EXTENDING DEPENDABLE WATER,

47:32WASTEWATER AND IRRIGATION

47:33SERVICE.

47:34>> TO.

47:34NORTH THREE.

47:35I FEEL STRONGLY.

47:36>> THAT.

47:37WE THE RESIDENTS NEED

47:39CONFIDENCE THAT THE ASSESSMENTS

47:40ARE BASED ON COMPLETE BIDS.

47:42A CLEAR.

47:43ALLOCATION OF COSTS.

47:45AND EVERY.

47:46AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE

47:48.

47:49WHAT MUST BE ASSESSED.

47:52THIS PRESENTATION.

47:53ESTIMATES 35,264.

47:56>> FOR A TYPICAL PROPERTY EAST

47:58.

47:58OF BURNS STORE AND 41,000.

48:01ZERO 29 WEST OF IT.

48:03HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE

48:06OUTSTANDING BIDS.

48:07WHY IS.

48:08>> THE.

48:08FINAL ADOPTION SCHEDULED FOR

48:10NOVEMBER 2ND WHEN.

48:11>> THESE.

48:11BIDS REMAIN PENDING UNTIL LATE

48:13OCTOBER?

48:13WILL RESIDENTS.

48:14RECEIVE UPDATED.

48:17PARCEL SPECIFIC COSTS AND HAVE

48:19MEANINGFUL TIME TO.

48:20REVIEW THESE BEFORE THE FINAL

48:23VOTE?

48:23I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE PUBLISH

48:25THE FULL ITEMIZED BID

48:28TABULATIONS FOR EACH OF THE

48:30BIDS RECEIVED AND COMPARISONS.

48:33WITH THESE ESTIMATES.

48:35THE WEST SIDE ASSESSMENTS

48:36INCLUDE THIS 5765 PER PARCEL

48:41FOR ALTERNATIVE FIVE ROADWAY

48:43IMPROVEMENTS WHICH SPECIFIC

48:46IMPROVEMENTS WERE REQUESTED BY

48:48THE RESIDENTS AND WHY ARE THOSE

48:50COSTS ASSIGNED TO THESE

48:53SPECIFIC PROPERTY OWNERS?

48:54PLEASE SHOW.

48:55SEPARATELY HOW THE ROUNDABOUTS

48:57AND OTHER ROUTE AND ROAD

48:59IMPROVEMENTS ARE BEING FUNDED.

49:00THE FINANCING EXAMPLES ASSUME

49:046.25 INTEREST OVER 20, 25 OR 30

49:07YEARS.

49:07IS THIS RATE FIXED?

49:09HAVE LOWER COST FINANCING

49:11OPTIONS BEEN PURSUED?

49:13IF YOU COULD PLEASE SHOW THE

49:14TOTAL AMOUNT A RESIDENT WOULD

49:16REPAY UNDER EACH OPTION PLEASE

49:20PROJECT GRANTS THAT HAVE BEEN

49:21SOUGHT I APOLOGIZE WHICH

49:24PROJECT GRANTS HAVE BEEN

49:26SOUGHT?

49:26WHEN WILL THESE AWARDS BE

49:28DECIDED AND HOW WILL ANY AWARD

49:31REDUCE INDIVIDUAL ASSESSMENTS?

49:33I I BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT WE.

49:36NEED THESE ANSWERS BEFORE

49:38MOVING FORWARD.

49:39I ALSO ASK THAT YOU PLEASE

49:42RECONCILE THE 37.1 MILLION

49:44IDENTIFIED FOR NORTH THREE IN

49:46THE BUDGET.

49:47MOST OF ALL, I HAVE HEARD FROM

49:49RESIDENTS WHO FEAR THAT THESE

49:50COSTS COULD FORCE THEM FROM

49:51THEIR HOMES.

49:52THIS FEAR DESERVES A SERIOUS

49:56RESPONSE.

49:56THE CITY'S 30 YEAR EXAMPLE SHOW

49:58ANNUAL PAYMENTS OF

49:59APPROXIMATELY $3,648 TO 4244

50:05AND HOMEOWNERS MAY FACE

50:07THOUSANDS MORE TO CONNECT.

50:09WHAT ASSISTANCE CAN ACTUALLY

50:11REDUCE THESE COSTS BEFORE

50:13BEYOND DEFERRING PAYMENT, CAN

50:16COUNCIL EXPAND THAT ASSISTANCE

50:19BEFORE ADOPTING THESE

50:21ASSESSMENTS?

50:22THANK YOU.

50:29MR. MAYOR PRO.

50:30TEM AND COUNCIL MEMBERS THANK

50:32YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO

50:33SPEAK BEFORE YOU.

50:34MY NAME IS JAMES CARBONE.

50:35UM I.

50:37HAD MANY OF COMMENTS SIMILAR TO

50:40WHAT I'VE I'VE HEARD AND WHAT

50:41YOU MAY HEAR SO I'LL I'LL NOT

50:43GO INTO DETAIL QUESTIONS BUT I

50:46WOULD LIKE YOU TO ENCOURAGE

50:48YOUR STAFF DEVELOPING THESE

50:50UTILITIES PLANS WHICH LOOK LIKE

50:52THEY'RE ALREADY READY TO MOVE

50:54AND THESE ORDINANCES UH, TO BE

50:56MORE MINDFUL OF THE IMPACT THAT

50:59ANOTHER EXPENSE WILL HAVE ON

51:01YOUR CITIZENS, YOU KNOW,

51:03INSURANCE AND PRICES ARE

51:05THROUGH THE ROOF AND SLAMMING

51:07RESIDENTS WITH ANOTHER LARGE

51:09ASSESSMENT WHICH SOUNDS MAYBE

51:11NOT FULLY COOKED FROM THE

51:13QUESTIONS THAT THAT I HAVE AND

51:15THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT

51:16BEFORE YOU, UM IT WILL BE

51:18ANOTHER HUGE BURDEN.

51:20AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT THE

51:22EXPENSE FOR.

51:23THE WATER AND SEWER SERVICE

51:26WHEN MANY OF US HAVE OUR OWN

51:29WELLS WHICH MAYBE ARE MORE COST

51:30EFFECTIVE.

51:31SO I'M NOT OBJECTING TO THE

51:34IDEA AND THE NEED FOR IT.

51:35I'M OBJECTING TO THE IMPACT ALL

51:37.

51:37AT ONCE.

51:38AT THIS TIME, AS OTHERS HAVE

51:40SAID, I WAS BORN AND LIVED ALL

51:42MY LIFE OVER IN FORT LAUDERDALE

51:44AND BROWARD COUNTY AND I THINK

51:46THINGS ARE SO MUCH BETTER OVER

51:47HERE.

51:48I BOUGHT LAND UH HERE IN 2003

51:51AND I MOVED HERE WHEN I RETIRED

51:52UM THREE YEARS AGO AND AND

51:55BUILT A BRAND NEW HOUSE EVEN

51:56OVER THERE IN BROWARD.

51:57COUNTY.

51:59PROJECTS LIKE THIS WERE

52:00MITIGATED BY CONSIDERATION OF

52:02THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND FOR

52:04EXAMPLE OVER THERE IN THE

52:05UNINCORPORATED AREA AND IN SOME

52:07OF THE CITIES LIKE PLANTATION

52:08AND SUNRISE THEY HELPED

52:10RESIDENTS.

52:10THEY DIDN'T SADDLE RESIDENTS

52:12WITH THESE INCREDIBLE EXPENSES.

52:16SO PLEASE CONSIDER HOW THIS

52:17WILL AFFECT YOUR VOTERS AND

52:19YOUR CITIZENS AS YOU MOVE

52:20FORWARD WITH THIS IT DOES IT

52:22HAVE TO BE DONE SO FAST BECAUSE

52:25IT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR

52:26EVERYONE?

52:27THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

52:30SO.

52:31>> HI.

52:34>> GOOD EVENING.

52:34UH, MY.

52:35>> NAME IS CHRIS ZACH.

52:36UH, JUST A FEW ITEMS I WANTED

52:38TO BRING UP FOR CONSIDERATION.

52:39UH, DO THE FINANCIAL

52:41CONTRIBUTORS BEING.

52:42THE HOMEOWNERS.

52:43RETAIN ANY OWNERSHIP STAKE IN

52:45THE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE

52:47IMPROVEMENTS?

52:47WE KNOW THAT THESE CAN BE SOLD.

52:49>> IN THE FUTURE.

52:49TRANSFERRED TO PRIVATE PARTIES

52:51CAN BE MOVED ALONG.

52:53CAN ANY RESTRICTIONS.

52:54BE IN PLACE THAT THE SALE OF

52:55THIS STAY.

52:57WITHIN THE CITY.

52:58OR CONSIDERATION.

52:59BE GIVEN BACK TO.

53:00THESE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE PRE

53:02FUNDING UH.

53:04HUGE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY

53:06SHOULD HAVE AN OWNERSHIP STAKE

53:07IN.

53:08.

53:08>> A LOT OF THIS STUFF MAY BE.

53:10DUPLICATED THROUGH OTHER TAXES

53:12THROUGH IMPACT FEES.

53:14IS THERE A CREDIT REDUCTION.

53:15FOR IMPACT FEES.

53:16OR FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE

53:18CONTRIBUTING IN DUPLICATE

53:20CATEGORIES.

53:20THERE'S A DIFFERENT MOVING.

53:22PARTS AND I'D LIKE THOSE TO BE

53:24CONSIDERED.

53:25THANK YOU.

53:26THANK YOU SIR.

53:26>> UH MY NAME.

53:30>> IS AARON.

53:30RAMSEY AND.

53:31UM I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT FOUR

53:32YEARS NOW.

53:34UM I DIDN'T PLAN ON SPEAKING

53:36BUT I HAVE A COUPLE OF

53:38QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO CLARIFIED

53:39.

53:39IF NOT, UH UH, TOO OBTUSE.

53:42UM, WHEN, UH, COMING IN HERE,

53:45UH, THE.

53:46IT SEEMS LIKE.

53:48BEARING THE BRUNT OF THE BASE

53:51STUFF FOR THE COMMERCIAL

53:53BUSINESSES WHICH I KNOW

53:54IMPROVING THE COMMERCIAL BASE

53:56IS YOUR GOAL AND I UNDERSTAND

53:58THAT AND IT'S RELATIVELY THIN

53:59IN THE NORTH AREA COMPARED TO

54:00OWN CAPE CORAL, BUT WE'RE

54:02BEARING THE BRUNT OF THAT AND I

54:04DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ENTIRELY

54:05FAIR.

54:06I'VE SEEN SITUATIONS IN THE

54:07PAST WHERE UH, DEVELOPERS COME

54:10IN AND THEY WERE ASSESSED IT

54:11WAS A PAYBACK LIKE A UH UM I

54:15KNOW MY CASE.

54:17I HAD TO PAY 30,000 TO GET

54:18ELECTRIC TO A PLACE IN COLORADO

54:19.

54:20UH, AFTER NEGOTIATIONS ONCE

54:23THEY WERE ESTABLISHED, THEY

54:25STARTED PAYING ME BACK OVER SIX

54:27YEARS.

54:27IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THE

54:29BUSINESSES AND COMMERCIAL

54:30PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN CAN

54:32BE REIMBURSED CAN REIMBURSE.

54:34>> THE PEOPLE.

54:35FOR SOME OF THIS BECAUSE

54:36THEY'RE THE ONES ACTUALLY

54:37PROFITING?

54:38SO AND THEN WE'RE WE'RE BEARING

54:39THE BRUNT OF IT SO YOU CAN GET

54:41THEM A SWEETER DEAL.

54:42AND UH I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW

54:44TRANSPARENT EVERYTHING IS GOING

54:46TO BE ON THIS TOO BECAUSE I

54:48KNOW A LOT OF MONEY'S COMING IN

54:50AND EXACTLY WHERE IS IT GOING?

54:52HOW TRANSPARENT IS THAT GOING

54:53TO BE?

54:54UH, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT

54:55OF SMALL CONSULTING COMPANIES

54:57AND SO FORTH AND WHO OWNS

54:59THOSE?

54:59WHERE DO THEY GO?

54:59I THINK PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO

55:01KNOW THAT.

55:02AND UH, THE LAST QUESTION IS IF

55:05WE HAVE JUST TO CLARIFY IF WE

55:07HAVE A DOUBLE LOT ON THE WEST

55:09SIDE, DOES THAT MEAN WE PAY

55:12$80,000 WHEN WE ONLY NEED ONE

55:13TAP CENTER?

55:15YEAH I MEAN THAT'S INSANE.

55:18THERE'S THERE'S NO

55:20JUSTIFICATION.

55:20THANK YOU.

55:21>> COME ON FOLKS.

55:24>> YOU EVENING KYLE ON THE DO

55:28DISTRICT SEVEN.

55:29UM SO FIRST THING I AM ACTUALLY

55:31GOING THROUGH UP.

55:32RIGHT NOW I'M.

55:33>> IN NORTH ONE SO MY WHOLE

55:34NEIGHBORHOOD IS SHOT TO.

55:36UM, AND MY COUNCIL MEMBER

55:37ACTUALLY LIVES ON MY BLOCK.

55:38UM, BUT THE ONE THING I WANT

55:40YOU GUYS TO BE AWARE OF THAT I

55:41WASN'T AWARE OF WHEN THIS ALL

55:42STARTED IS THE FIRST THING YOU

55:44GUYS ARE PAYING.

55:45>> FOR.

55:45YOUR NEW ROADS.

55:46IN THIS UP ASSESSMENT?

55:48OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE NOT PAYING

55:50FOR IT.

55:50PERSONAL.

55:52IF YOU FINANCE IT ON THE.

55:56DEFAULT 30 YEAR WHICH IF YOU

55:58DON'T DO ANYTHING THAT'S WHAT

55:59IT DOES IT IS OVER TRIPLE THE

56:03COST.

56:03MINE WAS GOING TO BE $117,000

56:06WHEN IT WAS ALL SAID AND DONE.

56:08YOUR VEHICLE IS GOING TO GET

56:10BEAT THE SPECIAL YOUR TIRES

56:11JUST SO.

56:11DRIVE SLOW ON.

56:12THE ROADS I SEE PEOPLE

56:13BARRELING DOWN ON THESE ROADS.

56:14I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO IT.

56:15NOT YOU.

56:16I WASN'T POINTING AT YOU.

56:17UM THEN ON TOP OF IT YOU'RE

56:20GOING TO NOW HAVE A WATER BILL

56:22.

56:22SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A

56:23WATER BILL THAT'S PROBABLY

56:24GOING TO BE NORTH OF $100 A

56:26MONTH.

56:26SO JUST GET READY FOR THAT.

56:28THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THE 3

56:30TO 5000 TO HOOK UP.

56:31THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

56:32NOW WE'RE ALSO GOING TO TALK

56:34ABOUT THE WATER COMING INTO

56:35YOUR HOME IS.

56:36SAFE TO.

56:37>> DRINK APPARENTLY BUT WE

56:40SPEND.

56:40PROBABLY 1000.

56:42>> TO $2000 A YEAR TO.

56:43>> BUY THE COUNCIL.

56:44WATER TO DRINK UP THEIR BOTTLED

56:45WATER BECAUSE THE WATER COMING

56:47IN HERE IS NOT SAFE.

56:48SO JUST, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT YOU

56:49MIGHT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THAT.

56:51.

56:51AND IF ANYONE SAYS IT INCREASES

56:54THE VALUE OF YOUR HOME THAT IS

56:56UTTER.

56:57ALL THE.

56:58REAL I'M AN.

56:59INSURANCE GUY.

57:00IT'S AN EVIL INDUSTRY.

57:00I SPEAK TO REALTORS ALL THE

57:02TIME.

57:02IT DOESN'T INCREASE THE VALUE

57:04OF YOUR HOME BUT GUESS WHAT I.

57:05MIGHT BE ABLE TO SELL IT.

57:07NOW THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT YOU'RE

57:08GOING TO GET.

57:08SO THEN THE LAST THING I WANT

57:10YOU GUYS TO KNOW IS ON THE

57:12PAPERWORK THAT THEY PUT UP

57:14THERE, ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS

57:16BIDDING ON ONE OF THE SECTIONS

57:17OF UP IS ANDREW SITE WORKS LLC

57:20.

57:20THEY DONATED $75,000 TO THE

57:23CITY MANAGER'S FLAGPOLE

57:25PROJECT.

57:26SO YOU.

57:27MAY WANT TO KNOW IF MAYBE THAT

57:29ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE

57:30APPROPRIATE.

57:31BIDDING PROCESS.

57:32SO JUST SOMETHING YOU ALL MAY

57:35WANT TO THINK UP.

57:35>> AND TRY.

57:43OKAY FOLKS OKAY FOLKS.

57:48WE CAN WE CAN EITHER GO BY THE

57:51RULES THAT WE HAVE TO DO

57:54BUSINESS IN THIS ROOM OR WE'LL

57:58TAKE A RECESS.

57:58UH.

58:01WE HAVE THE RULES WHETHER IT'S

58:03A SMALL MEETING, WHETHER IT'S A

58:05LARGE MEETING, NO MATTER HOW

58:07CONTENTIOUS WE KNOW THIS IS AN

58:10EMOTIONAL TOPIC.

58:11WE ALSO KNOW.

58:13WE ALSO KNOW THAT FOR SOME IT

58:16IS AN EXTREMELY CRIPPLING

58:18FINANCIAL TOPIC.

58:19WE ALL UNDERSTAND.

58:20>> THAT.

58:21THERE WILL BE TIME FOR A

58:24RESPONSE TO ALL OF THE COMMENTS

58:26AND THE QUESTIONS WHEN THEY ARE

58:29COMPLETED, SO IF WE CAN AT

58:31LEAST BE RESPECTFUL DURING THIS

58:32PERIOD IN TIME, GIVE THE TIME

58:35TO YOUR SPEAKERS.

58:36LET'S GET ISSUES AND QUESTIONS

58:38ON THE TABLE AND DURING COMMENT

58:41WE'LL TRY TO GET AS MANY OF

58:42THEM ANSWERED FOR YOU AS WE

58:43POSSIBLY CAN.

58:45THANK YOU.

58:46>> YES, MA'AM.

58:48OKAY.

58:48>> JENNIFER ALVAREZ UH,

58:50NORTHWEST CAPE UM UH, THIS IS

58:53COMING FROM A MAN THAT SAID UH,

58:55A YEAR AGO.

58:56GO AHEAD AND JUST WRITE THE

58:57CHECK, OKAY?

58:59THAT'S WHAT THAT GUY SAID.

59:01I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WAS

59:02HERE BACK THEN, BUT I'VE BEEN

59:03FOLLOWING THIS COUNCIL FOR

59:04YEARS.

59:05I'VE BEEN A CITIZENS FOR 20

59:07YEARS.

59:07I MOVED HERE IN OH SEVEN AND

59:09THEY TOLD ME I WAS GOING TO GET

59:11SUED IN THREE YEARS AND IT

59:11WOULD COST NO MORE THAN $15,000

59:13.

59:14OKAY, HERE WE ARE AND HOW DID

59:17WE GET HERE FOLKS?

59:18SERIOUSLY, YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW

59:20WE GOT HERE THE LAST TEN YEARS

59:23WE HAVE BEEN PLAYED?

59:25HOW MANY YEARS HAVE THEY

59:26STOPPED THE WATER SYSTEM COMING

59:28IN?

59:28THEY PUT A HALT ON IT FOR GOD

59:31ONLY KNOWS WHAT REASON TO FOCUS

59:32ON COMMERCIAL AND TO FOCUS ON

59:34THESE GUYS OVER HERE GETTING

59:35THEM HIRED.

59:37OKAY THE PROJECT WAS STOPPED

59:39AND NOW US CITIZENS HAVE TO PAY

59:41.

59:41OKAY.

59:42THERE IS, UH, A REASON WE NEED

59:44TO GET.

59:44RID OF.

59:45>> THE.

59:45PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR

59:46TEN YEARS.

59:47WE HAVE A DISTRICT SIX THAT HAS

59:49DONE NOTHING IN EIGHT YEARS TO

59:51SUPPORT OUR UFP PROJECT.

59:53OKAY?

59:53NOTHING.

59:54I AM SO GLAD HE'S NOT RUNNING

59:56AGAIN BECAUSE HE WOULD NOT GET

59:57ELECTED.

59:57WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER INCUMBENT

59:59ON THE UH BOARD COUNCIL THAT

1:00:02NEEDS TO GO.

1:00:03SHE'S BEEN PART OF THE PROBLEM

1:00:05FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS.

1:00:06SHE'S ALWAYS VOTED WITH GUNTER

1:00:08THE CRONIES AND SHE IS PART OF

1:00:10THE REASON WHY WE ARE PAYING

1:00:12$41,000 FOR WATER AND SEWER.

1:00:14AND LET ME TELL YOU WHAT KYLE

1:00:16SAID IS.

1:00:17>> WHAT.

1:00:17WE'RE GOING TO.

1:00:18GET IS PURE.

1:00:19I WENT TO A FRIEND'S HOUSE OFF

1:00:21AKITA.

1:00:22SHE TOLD ME TO DRINK THE WATER

1:00:24FROM THE REFRIGERATOR.

1:00:25OH MY.

1:00:25GOD I NEARLY.

1:00:26PUKED AND I THREW IT OUT.

1:00:27IT WAS SO DISGUSTING AND SHE'S

1:00:29UP THERE IN CHIQUITO SO JUST

1:00:30IMAGINE WHAT KIND OF QUALITY OF

1:00:32WATER WE'RE GOING.

1:00:33>> TO GET FROM THESE PEOPLE.

1:00:34MEANWHILE WE GOT PEOPLE OVER

1:00:35HERE MAKING HUNDREDS OF

1:00:37THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OKAY, NOT

1:00:39EVEN MENTION LIKE I SAID LAST

1:00:41YOU.

1:00:41LAST TEN YEARS.

1:00:42PEOPLE OKAY ONE INCUMBENT LESS

1:00:45GOT TO GO AND SO WE GOT TO GET

1:00:47THESE GUYS WE'RE OVER HERE OH

1:00:492028 THE CM NEEDS TO GO.

1:00:52NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE CITIZENS

1:00:54ANYMORE OKAY I'VE BEEN A

1:00:56FLORIDIAN ALL MY LIFE.

1:00:56BEEN HERE.

1:00:5720 YEARS.

1:00:58IT'S DISGUSTING.

1:00:59WE SHOULD HAVE GOT WATER WHEN

1:01:00WE WERE TOLD TO BUT NO THEY

1:01:02DECIDE TO PUT A HOLD ON IT BUT

1:01:04THEY DID GIVE WATER TO THE

1:01:05SEVEN ISLANDS PROJECT.

1:01:07DID YOU GUYS KNOW THAT?

1:01:08YEAH.

1:01:08>> YEAH.

1:01:10>> THEY PAID FOR THAT FOR THEM

1:01:12AND LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON.

1:01:13WE GOT A PILE OF DIRT.

1:01:14WE GOT MISSING MANGROVES OKAY?

1:01:17IT'S JUST DISGUSTING AND LIKE I

1:01:20SAID ONE PERSON LEFT WE NEED TO

1:01:22GET RID OF AND IF IT DOESN'T

1:01:23CHANGE THE OTHER FEW ARE GOING

1:01:24TO GO.

1:01:25SO GLAD DISTRICT SIX IS NOT

1:01:27RUNNING ANYMORE AND NEITHER ARE

1:01:29YOU.

1:01:37THANK YOU.

1:01:38>> MAYOR PRO.

1:01:39TEM COUNCIL MEMBERS DAVE.

1:01:40NEWTON SOUTHEAST.

1:01:41CAPE TONIGHT THE.

1:01:42PUBLIC COMES BEFORE.

1:01:43>> YOU WITH QUESTIONS AND

1:01:44SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THE UP

1:01:46AND THE FINANCIAL BURDEN IT'LL

1:01:48PLACE ON OUR RESIDENTS.

1:01:49WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE UP.

1:01:51>> IS.

1:01:52SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE

1:01:53COMPLETED AND THAT CONTINUING

1:01:54TO DELAY IT COULD ULTIMATELY

1:01:55HURT OUR COMMUNITY EVEN MORE.

1:01:57BUT THE QUESTION I BELIEVE WE

1:01:58NEED TO ASK IS HAVE WE DONE

1:02:01EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO HELP OUR

1:02:03CITIZENS MANAGE THIS ENORMOUS

1:02:05FINANCIAL BURDEN?

1:02:06WE HAVE RESIDENTS LIVING ON

1:02:08FIXED INCOMES.

1:02:08SOME ARE RETIREES, SOME HAVE

1:02:11LIVED IN THEIR HOMES FOR

1:02:13DECADES AND FOR SOME THOSE

1:02:14COSTS COULD POTENTIALLY PUT

1:02:16THEIR HOMES AT RISK.

1:02:18THESE AREN'T JUST HOUSES.

1:02:20THEY'RE HOMES WHERE PEOPLE

1:02:21BUILD THEIR DREAMS, RAISE

1:02:23FAMILIES AND CREATED DECADES OF

1:02:24MEMORIES.

1:02:25I ALSO HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION

1:02:27REGARDING THE PROJECT COSTS.

1:02:30I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN ROADS

1:02:31HAD TO BE TORN UP TO COMPLETE

1:02:33THE UAP, THESE ROADS NEED TO BE

1:02:35RESTORED.

1:02:36THAT IS PART OF THE NECESSARY

1:02:37COST OF THE PROJECT.

1:02:38BUT IF AS PART OF THE WORK.

1:02:41THE CITY DECIDES TO ADD

1:02:43IMPROVEMENTS THAT WEREN'T THERE

1:02:44BEFORE SUCH AS CURBING MEDIANS,

1:02:47ADDITIONAL TURN LANES,

1:02:48ROUNDABOUTS, MULTI USE PATHS

1:02:50THEN I BELIEVE WE NEED TO

1:02:51CONSIDER WHO SHOULD BE

1:02:53RESPONSIBLE TO PAY FOR THOSE

1:02:54COSTS.

1:02:55RESIDENTS SHOULD NOT BE ASKED

1:02:57TO PAY FOR UPGRADES THAT THE

1:02:58CITY CHOOSES TO ADD BEYOND WHAT

1:03:01IS REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE UP

1:03:03IF THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THE

1:03:05CITY WANTS TO MAKE FOR BROADER

1:03:07TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE

1:03:08PURPOSES, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO

1:03:09LOOK AT WHETHER THOSE COST

1:03:11SHOULD BE BORNE BY THE CITY

1:03:12RATHER THAN PLACE ENTIRELY ON

1:03:13THE HOMEOWNERS ALREADY CARRYING

1:03:15THIS TREMENDOUS BURDEN.

1:03:17AT THE END OF THE DAY, I HOPE

1:03:19WE CAN FIND EVERY POSSIBLE WAY

1:03:20TO MAKE THIS PROJECT MORE

1:03:22AFFORDABLE FOR OUR RESIDENTS

1:03:23WHILE STILL MOVING FORWARD

1:03:25RESPONSIBLY.

1:03:25OUR CITIZENS DESERVE THE

1:03:28INFRASTRUCTURE THEY NEED, BUT

1:03:29THEY ALSO DESERVE A CITY

1:03:31GOVERNMENT THAT IS DOING

1:03:32EVERYTHING IT CAN TO PROTECT

1:03:33THEIR ABILITY TO REMAIN IN

1:03:34THEIR HOMES.

1:03:34THEY LOVE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO

1:03:37KEEP CAPE CORAL AFFORDABLE AND

1:03:39HELP OUR RESIDENTS THROUGH THIS

1:03:40PROCESS WILL BE GREATLY

1:03:43APPRECIATE IT.

1:03:43THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

1:03:48MAYOR PRO TEM.

1:03:49AND ESTEEMED COUNCIL MEMBERS.

1:03:51THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

1:03:52I APPRECIATE.

1:03:53THE SITUATION.

1:03:54THAT YOU'RE IN.

1:03:56.

1:03:56>> FROM WHAT.

1:03:57>> I UNDERSTAND.

1:03:58SIR, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR

1:03:58NAME PLEASE NATHANIEL GIBSON.

1:04:00THANK YOU.

1:04:01NORTHWEST CAPE SIX.

1:04:04I UNDERSTAND THAT AN.

1:04:06ENVIRONMENTAL AND.

1:04:07>> HEALTH EMERGENCY.

1:04:08HAS FORCED YOU TO BUY IN AN

1:04:10INFLATIONARY MARKET.

1:04:11THIS IS NOT A GOOD PLACE TO BE

1:04:15AND YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE THE

1:04:16TIME.

1:04:18WHILE YOU'RE BUYING WHILE THE

1:04:19WORK IS BEING DONE TO BUILD IN

1:04:22IMPROVEMENTS AND ALL THE THINGS

1:04:23THAT GO ALONG WITH WHAT YOU'RE

1:04:25BUILDING BECAUSE THIS IN THE

1:04:26LONG RUN IS THE CHEAPEST WAY TO

1:04:27DO IT.

1:04:28I UNDERSTAND THAT TO.

1:04:33BUT WE THIS CITY WAS BUILT ON

1:04:35VISION.

1:04:36PEOPLE LOOKED AT A SWAMP AND

1:04:38TURNED IT INTO A GRID OF

1:04:41DEVELOPMENT AND LIVES AND

1:04:43BUSINESSES FROM THE BEGINNING

1:04:45THAT'S HOW IT WAS.

1:04:46BUT LET'S NOT TRIP OVER OUR

1:04:47FEET WHEN WE'RE LOOKING DOWN

1:04:49THE ROAD.

1:04:52WOULD NOT THE SAME IMPETUS

1:04:55WHICH HAS FORCED YOU INTO THIS

1:04:58SITUATION BE USED TO DECLARE A

1:05:00STATE OF EMERGENCY IN A STATE

1:05:03OF EMERGENCY YOU'VE GOT STATE

1:05:06FUNDS.

1:05:07YOU'VE ALSO GOT THE.

1:05:11POWER TO.

1:05:11>> TAKE ACTION.

1:05:12AGAINST PRICE GOUGING WHICH AS

1:05:15WE'VE HEARD IS DEFINITELY GOING

1:05:16ON HERE.

1:05:17YEAH YEAH YEAH YOU.

1:05:19YOU HAVE BEEN PUT IN AN

1:05:21UNTENABLE SITUATION AND I CAN

1:05:24SEE YOUR EYES.

1:05:25WELL PEOPLE ARE TELLING YOU

1:05:26WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR LIVES.

1:05:27YOU'RE HURTING.

1:05:28I GET THAT.

1:05:31TAKE ACTION IF IT'S POSSIBLE.

1:05:34LOOK INTO THIS AND FIND A WAY

1:05:37TO TURN IT BACK THE OTHER WAY

1:05:38BY BRINGING IN HELP FOR THOSE

1:05:40WHO NEED IT AND CONSEQUENCES

1:05:44FOR THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN

1:05:46ADVANTAGE OF THOSE IN NEED.

1:05:48THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

1:05:52THANK YOU.

1:05:53>> GOOD EVENING COUNCIL LISA

1:05:55COHEN ATKINSON CAPE CORAL.

1:05:58THE THE OVERWHELMING THING THAT

1:06:00WE ARE HEARING TODAY IS

1:06:02OBVIOUSLY ITS AFFORDABILITY.

1:06:03PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING TO KEEP

1:06:04THEIR HEADS ABOVE WATER.

1:06:05WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

1:06:06PUTTING $4,000 ON TOP OF THEIR

1:06:08TAX BILLS THIS 4 OR $5000 A

1:06:10YEAR ON THEIR TAX BILLS, IT'S

1:06:11CRIPPLING.

1:06:12UM, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT BARE

1:06:15BONES.

1:06:15THE BEAUTIFICATION PORTION OF

1:06:17THIS I THINK IS A LITTLE

1:06:19EXCESSIVE UH TURN ABOUTS THERE

1:06:21ARE ROUNDABOUTS.

1:06:22NOBODY EVEN KNOWS HOW TO DRIVE

1:06:23ON THEM.

1:06:24STOP DOING IT.

1:06:25I MEAN, COME ON, UH, WHAT

1:06:27HAPPENS IF WE DON'T GET THE $25

1:06:30MILLION, UH, GRANT THAT WAS

1:06:31ALREADY UNPRECEDENTED.

1:06:33MORE THAN LIKELY WILL NOT

1:06:34HAPPEN AGAIN.

1:06:35SO EVEN WITH ANOTHER GRANT,

1:06:38WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE

1:06:406,000,001.5 MILLION?

1:06:41IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE OTHER

1:06:4225 MILLION.

1:06:43THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE

1:06:44HAPPENING.

1:06:44THE LAST ONE WAS UNPRECEDENTED.

1:06:46IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN

1:06:47.

1:06:47SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE

1:06:49$4,000 WAS THAT THAT CAME FROM

1:06:50,BUT I'M ASSUMING IT CAME FROM

1:06:52THAT $25 MILLION NUMBER.

1:06:55WE NEED.

1:06:56SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I

1:06:58HEARD AT THE LAST MEETING WAS

1:07:00THAT YOU GUYS WERE WILLING TO

1:07:01PUSH THE YACHT CLUB PROBLEM ON

1:07:02THE NEW COUNCIL.

1:07:04I'M RECOMMENDING THAT YOU PUSH

1:07:05THIS PROBLEM ON THE NEW COUNCIL

1:07:07AS WELL.

1:07:13PLEASE FOLKS.

1:07:17THIS IS THE THIS NEXT COUNCIL

1:07:19WILL BE THE COUNCIL THAT HAS A

1:07:20PLAN A REAL PLAN THAT WILL SAVE

1:07:22THESE RESIDENTS AT LEAST 30% OF

1:07:24THE STICKER PRICE TODAY AND

1:07:27IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE EVERY ONE

1:07:28OF YOU TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT.

1:07:31SOUTH CAPE NEVER HAD TO PAY FOR

1:07:34ROADS CURBING OR JACKED UP

1:07:36INTEREST RATES.

1:07:38FORECLOSURES AFFECT THE ENTIRE

1:07:39CITY.

1:07:40IT WON'T JUST AFFECT NORTH CAPE

1:07:41.

1:07:41SO I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE

1:07:42PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH CAPE

1:07:43TALKING ABOUT WELL WE HAD TO

1:07:45PAY FOR IT.

1:07:46NO YOU DIDN'T.

1:07:46NO YOU DID NOT YOU DID NOT PAY

1:07:48FOR THE ROADS.

1:07:48YOU DID NOT PAY FOR CURBING YOU

1:07:50DID NOT PAY FOR THE

1:07:51BEAUTIFICATION.

1:07:52DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT A CANAL

1:07:53PUMP STATION IS?

1:07:55IT'S THOSE HOUSES THAT LOOK

1:07:57WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE THEIR

1:07:58HOUSES.

1:07:58YOU SHOULD SEE WHAT THESE NEW

1:07:59ONES LOOK LIKE.

1:08:00THEY'RE GORGEOUS.

1:08:01YOU SHOULD SEE THE CURBING

1:08:02AROUND THOSE.

1:08:03THAT'S THE STUFF WE DON'T NEED.

1:08:04WE DO NOT NEED THOSE THINGS.

1:08:06THESE PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING AND

1:08:08WE NEED TO START LISTENING.

1:08:10THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO

1:08:12TO REALLY DROP THESE PRICES,

1:08:14INCLUDING THE AMENDMENT OF

1:08:14FLORIDA STATUTE 255 .20 FROM

1:08:182014 THAT STOPPED IN-HOUSE FROM

1:08:20DOING THE WORK IN REDUCING THE

1:08:22PRICES.

1:08:22WE CAN DO THE WATER AND THE

1:08:25IRRIGATION IN-HOUSE.

1:08:26WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE

1:08:28THE KNOWHOW.

1:08:29WE CAN'T.

1:08:30>> DO THE SEWERS BUT WE CAN DO

1:08:32THE OTHERS.

1:08:33IT IS A MASSIVE PART OF THIS.

1:08:36YOU WILL SEE THE NUMBERS GO TO

1:08:38AROUND $5,000 $6,000 FOR BOTH

1:08:42WATER AND IRRIGATION NOT 15.

1:08:55HELLO EVERYBODY.

1:08:56JOE ENGLISH CHANNEL.

1:08:58CAPE CORAL POLITICS.

1:09:00THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME USE THE

1:09:03WORD ACTION.

1:09:05TAKE ACTION.

1:09:06EVERY ONE OF YOU DIDN'T TAKE

1:09:09ANY ACTION FROM THE FIRST DAY

1:09:11YOU SAT IN THESE CHAIRS.

1:09:13ZERO IT.

1:09:14>> WOULD.

1:09:14HAVE TAKEN.

1:09:15WORK I UNDERSTAND IT WOULD HAVE

1:09:16TAKEN MAYBE SOME COMPASSION ON

1:09:18PART OF THE PEOPLE THAT

1:09:19ACTUALLY LIVE HERE IN THE CAPE

1:09:21CORAL WHO ARE AFFECTED BY WELLS

1:09:24AND THEY'RE AFFECTED BY UH THE

1:09:26SEPTIC SYSTEM WOULD HAVE TAKEN

1:09:27SOME WORK BUT YOU IGNORED EVERY

1:09:30ONE OF US AND TAKEN ZERO ACTION

1:09:32ON OUR BEHALF.

1:09:34AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING

1:09:35TODAY AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE

1:09:36LISTENING TO TODAY.

1:09:37YOU EACH ONE OF YOU SHOULD BE

1:09:39ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES FOR

1:09:40TAKING ZERO ZERO ACTION ON OUR

1:09:43BEHALF.

1:09:44I'LL TELL YOU WHAT USUALLY I

1:09:46SPEAK FOR MYSELF ON BEHALF OF

1:09:48MYSELF FOR SOMETHING THAT I'D

1:09:49LIKE TO TALK ABOUT BUT.

1:09:51BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN

1:09:5350,000 VIEWS ON 1100 FOLLOWERS

1:09:56TODAY ON MY CAPE CORAL POLITICS

1:09:59ON THIS SUBJECT TO.

1:10:00>> HELLO, CAN YOU.

1:10:01IMAGINE WHAT KYLE.

1:10:02>> IS GETTING WITH 35,000

1:10:04PEOPLE.

1:10:05FOLLOWER THE.

1:10:0635,000 FOLLOWERS.

1:10:07THERE'S A 150,000 FOLLOWERS

1:10:11AMONG THE CAPE CORAL FORUMS

1:10:14TALKING ABOUT.

1:10:14THIS NONSTOP.

1:10:15THEY COULDN'T.

1:10:16>> FIT HERE TODAY.

1:10:17THANK YOU VERY MUCH BY THE WAY

1:10:18FOR SHOWING UP TODAY.

1:10:19THANK YOU.

1:10:21I HOPE.

1:10:22>> I.

1:10:22WAS.

1:10:22A SMALL PART.

1:10:23>> OF THAT.

1:10:23AND I KNOW.

1:10:24>> KYLE WAS TOO.

1:10:25SO I'D.

1:10:25>> LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF

1:10:27SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE

1:10:29COMMENTING AND THESE ARE JUST

1:10:30RANDOM COMMENTS FORECLOSURES

1:10:32HOUSES FOR SALE RESIDENTS CAN'T

1:10:35AFFORD TO PAY IT IS.

1:10:36ALREADY HAPPENED IN NORTHEAST

1:10:38CAPE, SOUTH OF DIPLOMAT AND

1:10:40WEST OF ANDALUSIA.

1:10:41UH UP IS FINISHED.

1:10:43NUMEROUS HOMES ARE FOR.

1:10:44SALE RENT SOME FORECLOSED UPON

1:10:47,MANY EMPTY.

1:10:49SOME HOMES ARE NOT CONNECTED.

1:10:50I HATE.

1:10:51>> TO.

1:10:52THINK WHAT THE OWNER IS PAYING

1:10:53AND FINDS SOME WITH.

1:10:55UNFINISHED SEWER CONNECTION

1:10:56TRENCHES STILL UNCOVERED.

1:10:58IT'S A TRAVESTY NOT TO DIVERT

1:11:01ATTENTION FROM THE UP NORTH

1:11:03TREE, BUT WE'VE GOT UNFINISHED

1:11:05BUSINESS HERE IN NORTH.

1:11:07ONE HALF OF MY ASSESSMENT IS

1:11:09STUCK ON TO OUR PROPERTY TAX.

1:11:10THE OTHER HALF WE USED OUR

1:11:12RETIREMENT FUNDS OUR RETIREMENT

1:11:15FUNDS TO PAY FOR MORE THAN HALF

1:11:17OUR MORTGAGE PAYMENT IS GOING

1:11:19TO PROPERTY TAXES.

1:11:20WHAT THE?

1:11:22THAT'S JUST ONE OF THEM.

1:11:23HERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

1:11:24I DIDN'T ASK FOR THIS.

1:11:25I WAS TOLD ABOUT IT WHEN I WAS

1:11:27PURCHASING MY HOME AND 40%

1:11:30COMPLETE I WAS TOLD $12,000 BY

1:11:32THE WAY SIX, SIX, SIX YEARS

1:11:34AGO.

1:11:35NOT TO MENTION WHEN I LOOKED UP

1:11:36CAPE CORAL PROPERTY TAXES

1:11:38BEFORE BUYING THIS GOES ON WHAT

1:11:41JUSTIFIED THE OUTRAGEOUS

1:11:43INCREASE PUSHING THE TAX TO

1:11:46$7,200?

1:11:47WHAT SERVICES DO I GET TO

1:11:49JUSTIFY A TAX BILL THAT WAS

1:11:51$2,200 MORE THAN I PAID FOR

1:11:53FOUR ACRES 6500 SQUARE FOOT

1:11:56HOME.

1:11:57AND ANYWAY THESE GO ON PLEASE.

1:12:00PLEASE ON.

1:12:00BEHALF OF ALL OF US DO

1:12:03SOMETHING.

1:12:03>> THANK YOU SIR.

1:12:13GOOD EVENING LEE VAN GELDER.

1:12:15NORTHWEST CAPE I'VE BEEN A

1:12:16RESIDENT HERE FOR 16 YEARS.

1:12:18I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK

1:12:19QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL.

1:12:20I DON'T KNOW IF I GET ANY

1:12:21ANSWERS.

1:12:22I'VE CALLED STAFF.

1:12:23I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY ANSWERS

1:12:24FROM STAFF.

1:12:25WE MOVED HERE AND WE KNEW THAT

1:12:28EVENTUALLY THE UP WOULD COME

1:12:30AND WE WERE LOOKING AT 2030 OR

1:12:33BEYOND.

1:12:33I LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE OR BURN

1:12:36STORE ROAD AND THEN ALL OF A

1:12:38SUDDEN I SEE A NEW MAP AND

1:12:39WE'RE INCLUDED IN UP THREE.

1:12:42WHY IS THERE A REASON NOBODY

1:12:44CAN GIVE ME A REASON WHY UP

1:12:46THREE JUMPED OVER BURN STORE

1:12:48ROAD OVER ONTO OUR SIDE.

1:12:50NO ONE CAN GIVE ME AN ANSWER

1:12:52NOW I COME HERE TO THE COUNCIL

1:12:54MEETING.

1:12:54I SEE ALL THESE ROAD

1:12:56IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO

1:12:57BE TACKED ON DO YOU THREE AND

1:13:00IT MAKES ME WONDER IS THIS A

1:13:03NORM NOW I READ IN THE PAPERS

1:13:07ABOUT VARIOUS CITY PROJECTS AND

1:13:09ALL I KEEP READING ABOUT IS HOW

1:13:11THINGS KEEP GETTING ADDED ON

1:13:13AND ADDED ON AND ADDED ON WHERE

1:13:16IT GOES FROM MILLIONS OF

1:13:17DOLLARS TO BILLIONS OF DOLLARS

1:13:18.

1:13:18AND I KEEP WONDERING IS THIS

1:13:20THE NORM FOR.

1:13:21>> THE CITY?

1:13:23THANK YOU.

1:13:24>> HELLO, MY NAME IS CARLOS.

1:13:33I'M A NORWEST.

1:13:35I JUST GOT.

1:13:36ONE QUICK.

1:13:36>> QUESTION IF IT'S POSSIBLE DO

1:13:37I HAVE AN ANSWER BEFORE I KEEP

1:13:40GOING?

1:13:40IF YOU HAVE A PROPERTY THEY HE

1:13:43HAS THREE LOTS BUT THEY ALL

1:13:46STRAP IN ONE PROPERTY.

1:13:47SO FOR HOW MANY ASSESSMENTS DO

1:13:51YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET IN

1:13:54ANYBODY.

1:13:55BY SQUARE FOOTAGE.

1:13:57SO BASICALLY I HAVE THREE SO IF

1:14:00I HAVE.

1:14:01COME ON GANG THIS IS NOT

1:14:02QUESTION AND ANSWER.

1:14:03ANSWER PLEASE.

1:14:15GO AHEAD SIR.

1:14:17I WAS ASKED I WAS ASKING A

1:14:19QUESTION SO IF YOU CAN YOU GIVE

1:14:20ME AN ANSWER I MEAN HE'S NOT

1:14:23ALLOWED TO TALK SO CAN YOU GIVE

1:14:24ME AN ANSWER?

1:14:25WE'LL WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR

1:14:27STAFF AND FOR COUNCIL COMMENT

1:14:29TO ALL THE QUESTIONS AT ONE

1:14:30TIME OKAY.

1:14:33SO MY QUESTION IS BECAUSE IF I

1:14:36HAVE IF I HAVE A PROPERTY

1:14:38THERE'S OIL STRAPPED TOGETHER

1:14:40AND THEY GOING TO CHARGE ME

1:14:42BECAUSE I GOT THREE LOTS.

1:14:44SO WHY WHEN EVERY TIME EVERY

1:14:46TIME I'M GOING TO PULL A PERMIT

1:14:47FOR THE PROPERTY THEY SAID YOU

1:14:49ONLY HAVE ONE PROPERTY I CAN I

1:14:51HAVE THREE SHEDS OR I CAN I

1:14:52HAVE THREE POLES BECAUSE THEY

1:14:54SAY NO YOU ONLY HAVE ONE

1:14:56PROPERTY SO IF I HAVE ONE

1:14:58PROPERTY WHY I'M GOING TO GET

1:14:59CHARGE THREE TIMES BECAUSE NOW

1:15:00IS IN YOUR BENEFIT IN NOT IN MY

1:15:02BENEFIT.

1:15:03THAT'S QUESTION NUMBER ONE.

1:15:05SECOND WHO'S GOING TO REIMBURSE

1:15:08FOR THE MONEY THAT WE SPEND IN

1:15:09THE SEPTIC ON.

1:15:11THE ON THE WELL, ON THE PUMP,

1:15:13ON THE FUEL ON THE SYSTEM TO

1:15:17PURIFY MY HOUSE.

1:15:17MY HOUSE IS ONLY SIX YEARS OLD.

1:15:20I PAY CLOSE TO $25,000 BETWEEN

1:15:23THE SEPTIC AND THE FILTERS

1:15:25REVERSE OSMOSIS SYSTEM THAT I

1:15:27HAVE IN MY HOUSE.

1:15:28SO BASICALLY I DON'T ASK FOR

1:15:30THE WATER FROM YOU GUYS.

1:15:31MY WATER IS CLEANER THAN

1:15:33WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO

1:15:34PROVIDE.

1:15:34SO WHEN YOU GUYS DECIDE TO PUT

1:15:37WATER ON MY PROPERTY, I'M GOING

1:15:38TO HAVE TO DESTROY $26,000 IN A

1:15:41GARBAGE BECAUSE THE SEWER TO

1:15:42SAY YES GOES IN A GARBAGE.

1:15:46AND IF HE WAS PART UP FROM THE

1:15:50BEGINNING, WHY EVERY TIME

1:15:51SOMEBODY PULL A PERMIT FOR A

1:15:53PROPERTY THEY DON'T TELL THEIR

1:15:55MACHINE.

1:15:55YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CANNOT BUILD

1:15:56IN BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO

1:15:58SPEND $25,000 IN GARBAGE THAT

1:16:0225 TO 3 OR FOUR YEARS LATER IS

1:16:03GOING TO GO IN A GARBAGE RIGHT

1:16:05NOW GOT PROPERTIES BUILDING

1:16:06RIGHT BESIDE MY HOUSE AND THEY

1:16:09PUT IN A SEPTIC TANK TODAY

1:16:12THAT'S A $17,000 JOB.

1:16:14SO BASICALLY NEXT YEAR YOU GUYS

1:16:15ARE GOING TO TELL US YOU KNOW

1:16:16WHAT WHAT IS IN FRONT RUNNING A

1:16:18GARBAGE DESTROY THE TANK AND

1:16:19GUESS WHAT YOU LOST $17,000.

1:16:23$17,000 IS NOT EASY TO MAKE.

1:16:24I MEAN I'M A DISABLED VET.

1:16:27I GOT A FIXED INCOME FROM THE

1:16:28AIR FORCE.

1:16:30I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS.

1:16:31HOW MUCH MAKES A BAD YEAR MORE

1:16:32THAN WHAT I MAKE.

1:16:33I MAKE $40,000 A YEAR.

1:16:36BUT IF I.

1:16:38THANK YOU, SIR, THE TIME IS UP.

1:16:40THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

1:16:43THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

1:16:44>> GOOD AFTERNOON.

1:16:52MR. MAYOR.

1:16:53MAYOR PRO TOWN.

1:16:54AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

1:16:56MY NAME IS RANDY CANTRELL.

1:16:58I LIVE IN THE.

1:16:58NORTHWEST CAPE.

1:16:59AND I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS THAT.

1:17:02>> I WANT TO.

1:17:02CITY MANAGER.

1:17:03AND THEIR.

1:17:04>> STAFF TO ADDRESS.

1:17:05NUMBER ONE, YOU PUT ON YOUR

1:17:08CHART THAT THE CITY WAS GOING

1:17:10TO PAY FOR THE UH, SEWER AND.

1:17:14COSTS FOR.

1:17:15CITY OWNED LOTS.

1:17:18I DON'T.

1:17:19>> KNOW.

1:17:19WHY THE CITY'S IN.

1:17:20>> THE.

1:17:20BUSINESS OF OWNING.

1:17:21PROPERTY TO.

1:17:22BEGIN WITH, BUT WHEN THE CITY

1:17:24GOES TO.

1:17:25>> SELL THAT.

1:17:25LOT.

1:17:26>> IS THERE ANY ASSURANCES TO

1:17:27US THAT ARE GETTING SCREWED.

1:17:29THAT WAS.

1:17:30YOUR GOAL TO RECOVER.

1:17:31>> THE COSTS FOR.

1:17:32THAT CITY OWNED LOT?

1:17:34SIMPLE QUESTION WASN'T

1:17:37ADDRESSED IN ANY FORM HERE.

1:17:39MY NEXT QUESTION WHAT ARE YOU

1:17:41GOING TO DO WHEN ALL THESE

1:17:42EMPTY LOTS THAT PEOPLE NOW LET

1:17:46THEM GO BACK TO THE CITY

1:17:47BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO

1:17:49PAY FOR THE HOOK UP OR THE COST

1:17:52INCURRED AND THEY WILL BE FOUND

1:17:54IN THE CITY WILL COME TO OWN

1:17:56THEM.

1:17:56ARE YOU GOING TO WHEN YOU SELL

1:17:58THAT LOT?

1:17:59I ALSO ASSUME THAT YOU RECOVER

1:18:01THE COST THAT IT SAYS FROM

1:18:05FUNDS AVAILABLE.

1:18:06WE KNOW WHERE THOSE FUNDS COME

1:18:08FROM.

1:18:08LOOK AROUND.

1:18:11SO I THINK THOSE ARE TWO VERY

1:18:13VALID QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE

1:18:15ADDRESSED.

1:18:16NOW FOR MY COMMENT CARD HAS MY

1:18:18PHONE NUMBER MY NAME RANDY

1:18:20CANTRELL 3416 NORTH WEST SIXTH

1:18:22STREET SOUTH OF TROPICANA AND

1:18:27MY I DON'T WANT TO GIVE OUT MY

1:18:29EMAIL ADDRESS BUT I SURE HAVE

1:18:31IT ON THE CARD.

1:18:32CAN IT BE ADDRESSED AS ALL I'M

1:18:34ASKING WILL THAT BE ADDRESSED?

1:18:35I GOT A THUMB UP FOR ALL

1:18:38COUNCIL MEMBER OVER THERE.

1:18:39I APPRECIATE HE'S HELPED ME

1:18:41BEFORE SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH

1:18:43FOR YOUR TIME.

1:18:44THANK YOU SIR.

1:18:48AND JUST UH BASED ON A COMMENT

1:18:50UH, I NEGLECTED TO LET YOU KNOW

1:18:52THAT THE THE MAYOR IS, UH, HAS

1:18:55JOINED VIA TEAM SO HE'S

1:18:57CONNECTED THROUGH TECHNOLOGY.

1:18:59UH, AND THAT WAS UH,

1:19:01PRE-APPROVED AS WELL.

1:19:05AND.

1:19:06>> I WONDER HE'S NOT UM.

1:19:11>> ALL RIGHT, WE'VE GOT

1:19:12SOMEBODY AT THE PODIUM THAT

1:19:13WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

1:19:14OKAY.

1:19:15>> UH, TOM.

1:19:15SHADRACH.

1:19:16>> UH.

1:19:17>> AND I EMPATHIZE WITH

1:19:18EVERYBODY HERE, BUT MY QUESTION

1:19:19AND YOU YOU ALREADY ASKED A LOT

1:19:21OF MY QUESTIONS, UH, PERTAINING

1:19:23TO THE EXACT UAP.

1:19:25BUT THESE QUESTIONS ARE.

1:19:26MORE GENERAL ABOUT ALL

1:19:28TAXPAYERS.

1:19:29UH, THE CFC.

1:19:31>> ON.

1:19:31PAGE 13 MENTIONS 142 MILLION

1:19:35AND PREVIOUS UH, PRESENTATIONS

1:19:37I ABOUT 40 MILLION OF THAT WAS

1:19:39GOING TO BE DEFERRED TO THE TAX

1:19:40BILL OR ON EVERYBODY'S THAT TAX

1:19:43BILL WATER BILL AND SEWER.

1:19:45SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S

1:19:46A BREAKOUT OF THAT 142 MILLION

1:19:48OF HOW MUCH IS APPLICABLE TO

1:19:50THE WATER BILL VERSUS THE

1:19:52ASSESSMENT.

1:19:53IT WAS ABOUT 40 MILLION I THINK

1:19:55ON UM.

1:19:57ON THE NORTH ONE EAST.

1:20:00UH, BUT IF YOU COULD BREAK THAT

1:20:02OUT OR SEE IF THERE IS A

1:20:03DIFFERENCE THERE BECAUSE IT'S

1:20:05THE RATIOS AND THE PER COST

1:20:07DIDN'T ADD UP TO THESE TYPE OF

1:20:08NUMBERS.

1:20:08SO I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S A

1:20:10THERE'S A AMOUNT THAT GOES TO

1:20:11THE WATER BILL.

1:20:13AND THE SECOND.

1:20:14QUESTION UH.

1:20:18ON PAGE.

1:20:20UH UH.

1:20:2228 HERE'S A BREAKDOWN RIGHT

1:20:24THERE.

1:20:25I GOT.

1:20:25>> IT UM IT SAYS CITY PAYS FOR

1:20:29THESE THE GOVERNMENT AND THE UH

1:20:33NONPROFITS.

1:20:33WHAT PAYS.

1:20:35>> IS THAT THE GENERAL FUND

1:20:36DOES IT GO AGAINST THE WATER

1:20:37BILL?

1:20:38BECAUSE EVENTUALLY I GUESS

1:20:40WE'RE ALL PAYING FOR THAT TOO.

1:20:42BUT BREAK OUT WHAT'S FUN?

1:20:44WHAT CITY HAS TO PAY?

1:20:46IS IT THE GENERAL FUND?

1:20:47IS IT THE WATER BILL OR SOME

1:20:49OTHER FUND THAT'S NOT CLEAR

1:20:51THAT'S ON THAT PAGE.

1:20:52IF YOU COULD CLARIFY WHAT THE

1:20:54CITY PAYS I'D APPRECIATE IT.

1:20:56BUT I DO EMPATHIZE WITH

1:20:58EVERYBODY.

1:20:58UH.

1:20:59>> BUT LET'S FIGURE OUT ALL THE

1:21:01COSTS TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH

1:21:02WHAT AFFECTS THE WHOLE CITY,

1:21:04WHETHER IT'S ON EVERYONE'S

1:21:05WATER BILL OR ON OUR GENERAL

1:21:07FUND OF EXPENSES.

1:21:08PLEASE HELP US GET MORE

1:21:10INFORMATION.

1:21:11TRANSPARENCY IS THE KEY.

1:21:12THANK YOU.

1:21:13THANK YOU.

1:21:14>> YES, MA'AM.

1:21:18HI.

1:21:19>> MY NAME IS.

1:21:19LAURA DOBSON.

1:21:21AND I.

1:21:22>> DO LIVE IN, UM, A PART OF

1:21:26NORTHWEST CAPE THAT WON'T, UM,

1:21:29HAVE ANY.

1:21:30BENEFIT FROM ALL THIS

1:21:32BEAUTIFICATION ON.

1:21:33TROPICANA BECAUSE OF WHERE OUR

1:21:35LAND SITS.

1:21:35OR KISMET OR ANY OF THEM.

1:21:38BUT MY QUESTION IS.

1:21:40AND I HOPE THIS.

1:21:41IS RECORDED.

1:21:42SO OUR.

1:21:43QUESTIONS GET ANSWERED.

1:21:44WE ARE SURROUNDED.

1:21:47BY WATER.

1:21:49I WOULD MUCH RATHER.

1:21:51PAY TO PUT.

1:21:53A THE TYPE OF FILTRATION SYSTEM

1:21:56A SHIP USES AND GET IT OUT OF

1:21:59THE CANAL.

1:22:01THEN GO BROKE WITH THIS PROJECT

1:22:04.

1:22:05THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE AND

1:22:08BETWEEN THE 353 BUCKS A MONTH

1:22:12THE ASSESSMENT WILL COST US

1:22:14PLUS ANOTHER HUNDRED AND SO

1:22:16DOLLARS THAT THE WATER IS GOING

1:22:18TO COST US AFTER WE WILL MOST

1:22:21LIKELY GO BROKE AND AND HAVE TO

1:22:24GO PUT OUR HOUSE UP.

1:22:27THANK YOU.

1:22:31GOOD EVENING WEST I.

1:22:33WHEN I COME HERE WITH ONE

1:22:34SIMPLE REQUEST.

1:22:36>> FOR THE COUNCIL.

1:22:36WHILE MANY OTHERS MAKE TIME FOR

1:22:38ACTION, I'M CALLING FOR AN

1:22:39ACTION AND I THERE'S ONE PERSON

1:22:41RUNNING AND HAS A DIFFERENT

1:22:43PLAN THAN WHAT THE CITY IS

1:22:44SPOON FEEDING YOU ON HOW SHE

1:22:46CAN ADDRESS THIS I'M ASKING YOU

1:22:48NOT DID NOT TAKE ANY ACTION

1:22:49THAT CANNOT BE REVERSED BY THE

1:22:51NEXT COUNCIL AND GIVE THE

1:22:53VOTERS OF CAPE CORAL THE

1:22:54OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE THAT THEY

1:22:56WANT A DIFFERENT IDEA.

1:22:57THANK YOU.

1:23:05I'M GOING TO THEN.

1:23:06YES.

1:23:06>> SIR.

1:23:07RONALD BOOTH.

1:23:08UM.

1:23:09>> I'M HERE TO SPEAK.

1:23:10ON THIS WATER SITUATION.

1:23:12>> WE GOT GOING ON AND.

1:23:14I'M REALLY HAPPY WITH MY.

1:23:15>> WELL WATER.

1:23:16BUT FOR Y'ALL TO.

1:23:17MANDATE US TO GET CITY WATER

1:23:20ON.

1:23:20THE EMPTY LOTS.

1:23:22THEY'RE GOING TO BE CAPPED OFF

1:23:23.

1:23:23SO WHY CAN'T YOU CAP IT OFF TO

1:23:25MY PROPERTY?

1:23:26>> WHY SHOULD I PAY FOR.

1:23:28SOMETHING I DO NOT WANT?

1:23:29>> I MEAN JUST.

1:23:33GET ROMAN BROGAN IS.

1:23:34MY PROPERTY.

1:23:35Y'ALL DON'T PAY ANY TAXES.

1:23:37>> I PAY THE TAXES AND TO ME

1:23:38THE TAXES THAT WE.

1:23:39>> PAY ON.

1:23:40>> OUR.

1:23:40PROPERTY SHOULD PAY FOR YOUR

1:23:42PROJECT.

1:23:43IS SOMETHING A.

1:23:44LOT OF US IN HERE DON'T WANT.

1:23:47AND THAT'S.

1:23:47>> HOW I FEEL.

1:23:48ABOUT IT.

1:23:48>> BUT I MEAN EVERYBODY'S GOT

1:23:49THEIR.

1:23:50OWN OPINION.

1:23:51BUT I'M.

1:23:52HAPPY WITH THE WELL.

1:23:53WATER I.

1:23:54HAVE LAND RIGHTS.

1:23:56MY PROPERTIES.

1:23:57PAID FOR.

1:23:59SO Y'ALL.

1:24:00JUST NEED TO GET WITH THE

1:24:01PROGRAM.

1:24:02AND PAYING FOR FIRE.

1:24:04HYDRANT AND.

1:24:05>> STUFF LIKE THAT.

1:24:06THAT SHOULDN'T BE OUR

1:24:07RESPONSIBILITY.

1:24:08THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

1:24:09THAT'S THE CITY.

1:24:11WHY SHOULD WE PAY FOR FIRE

1:24:13TONIGHT?

1:24:13USE AND WATER.

1:24:14>> OUT.

1:24:14OF.

1:24:15IT I.

1:24:16I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S.

1:24:17PUBLIC STUFF.

1:24:21OKAY I GOT A FEW MORE THINGS

1:24:23HERE.

1:24:25UH.

1:24:26>> A LOT OF TIMES I'VE.

1:24:30HEARD IN FORT MYERS WITH THEIR.

1:24:32CITY WATER.

1:24:32IT GETS CONTAMINATED.

1:24:34THEN YOU GOT BOWL YOUR BAG ON

1:24:36WATER.

1:24:36>> TO COOK.

1:24:37OR EAT.

1:24:38I DON'T NEED THAT.

1:24:39MY WELL, WATER'S FROM MOTHER

1:24:41NATURE.

1:24:41IT'S ALL NATURAL.

1:24:42IT'S ALL.

1:24:43>> GOOD.

1:24:45AND YOU.

1:24:45KNOW THAT'S HOW WATER MY YARD.

1:24:47THAT'S HOW FEED MY HOUSE.

1:24:48I GOT A NICE WATER SYSTEM.

1:24:50AND BASICALLY Y'ALL AIN'T

1:24:52TAKING MY WATER SYSTEM AWAY

1:24:53FROM ME.

1:24:55AND YOU KNOW, I JUST.

1:25:00I'M JUST I READ ABOUT IT.

1:25:01>> AND THE PRICE 41,000 WAS 35

1:25:08ON THIS SIDE.

1:25:09OF ROAD AND.

1:25:1041,000 OVER HERE.

1:25:11I DON'T GET THAT.

1:25:12THAT DON'T MAKE NO SENSE.

1:25:15YET.

1:25:15>> ADD TO THAT.

1:25:17SO I MEAN YOU I SEE ALL THE

1:25:19PIPELINES RIGHT HERE AT

1:25:20TROPICANA RIGHT NEAR BY 711

1:25:23WATER PIPELINES COMING OUT OF

1:25:24THE ROAD AND THEY'RE GETTING

1:25:25READY TAKING OUR NEED

1:25:25UNDERNEATH THE ROAD BUT WE

1:25:28DON'T NEED IT OVER THERE.

1:25:29AND TO ME WE SHOULD HAVE AN

1:25:31OPTION AS RESIDENTS AND

1:25:35CIVILIANS.

1:25:36BECAUSE WE'RE.

1:25:36STANDING ON AMERICAN SOIL SO WE

1:25:41SHOULD HAVE AN OPTION TO TAKE

1:25:42IT OR NOT TAKE IT.

1:25:43SO HOW CAN YOU.

1:25:45DICTATE?

1:25:45>> I HATE TO SAY THIS.

1:25:48BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE RUSSIA TO ME

1:25:50.

1:25:52SO TO ME WE SHOULD HAVE THE

1:25:55OPTION.

1:25:55IF WE.

1:25:56>> WANT IT OR DON'T.

1:25:57IF YOU BRING THE PIPELINE DOWN

1:25:59THE ROAD CAP IT OFF.

1:26:00DON'T BRING IT ON MY HOUSE

1:26:01BECAUSE I'M GONNA PUT NO

1:26:02TRESPASSING SIGNS UP.

1:26:04I'M DONE WITH THAT.

1:26:05HAVE A NICE DAY FOR.

1:26:12GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.

1:26:14MY NAME IS.

1:26:14>> RON MOUNTAIN.

1:26:15>> I'M IN.

1:26:16NORTHWEST CAPE.

1:26:16I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR ALL TEN.

1:26:18YEARS AND.

1:26:19THE ONE CONCERN THAT I HAVE.

1:26:22IS THE PEOPLE ON.

1:26:23>> FIXED INCOMES.

1:26:24AND THE WE REALIZE.

1:26:28THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT

1:26:29PAID FOR THIS UPGRADE.

1:26:31AND THAT'S.

1:26:32>> ONE.

1:26:33THING THAT WOULD BE IF.

1:26:34>> I.

1:26:34WAS IN YOUR SHOES.

1:26:35HOW WOULD BE AFRAID.

1:26:35TO TO.

1:26:36>> TO.

1:26:37LISTEN TO THIS.

1:26:37KIND OF COMMENTS.

1:26:38BECAUSE THE.

1:26:39OTHER PEOPLE.

1:26:40PAID THIS ALREADY AND IF WE

1:26:42DON'T HAVE.

1:26:43TO DO IT.

1:26:44THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO COME

1:26:45BACK.

1:26:45AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK

1:26:46TO YOU AND SAY.

1:26:47>> WE WANT A REFUND.

1:26:48SO I THINK THAT.

1:26:50>> THERE SHOULD BE SOME BETTER

1:26:51OPTIONS WITH ALL THIS.

1:26:52I FEEL THAT.

1:26:53IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NO MATTER.

1:26:55>> WHAT EVENTUALLY AND WE DO

1:26:56WANT TO HAVE BETTER WATER AND

1:26:57SEWER HERE IN THE CITY.

1:26:58BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S A

1:27:02BETTER WAY TO LOOK AT THIS

1:27:03WHERE BECAUSE INFLATION RATES

1:27:05HAVE GONE SO HIGH.

1:27:06CRAZY HIGH IN THE LAST FIVE

1:27:08YEARS THAT WE WANT TO PAY OUR

1:27:11FAIR SHARE BUT I THINK IT

1:27:12SHOULD BE DONE IN A IN A MORE

1:27:14MANNER OF GRANTS.

1:27:16I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING INTO ALL

1:27:17THIS STUFF BUT AT THE SAME TIME

1:27:19THERE'S THERE'S GOT TO BE A

1:27:20BETTER WAY TO DO THIS OR THIS.

1:27:22PROJECT SHOULD JUST BE HELD OFF

1:27:24FOR A WHILE UNTIL THE UNTIL

1:27:26EVERYTHING COMES BACK DOWN.

1:27:26I JUST IT'S JUST CRAZY I MEAN

1:27:29THESE ARE ASTRONOMICAL FEES.

1:27:32UM, I I'M A GENERAL CONTRACTOR

1:27:35OUT OF WISCONSIN AND I HAVE

1:27:38NEVER SEEN A MUNICIPALITY

1:27:41COORDINATE THESE KIND OF FEES.

1:27:44I MEAN, IT'S JUST MIND BLOWING

1:27:46TO ME AND I JUST REALLY FEEL

1:27:48SORRY FOR FOR FOR PEOPLE ON

1:27:50FIXED INCOMES AND I KNOW YOU'VE

1:27:52HEARD THIS SEVERAL TIMES, BUT I

1:27:55THINK IF WE CAN'T GET AT LEAST

1:27:57AT LEAST GET IT TO THE POINT

1:28:00WHERE THE PAST PEOPLE HAVE PAID

1:28:03IN A MORE STREAMLINED AMOUNT,

1:28:06THERE MIGHT BE A COMPROMISE

1:28:08WITH PEOPLE'S FEELINGS ON ALL.

1:28:09THIS AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO

1:28:11SAY.

1:28:12THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

1:28:13UH-UH.

1:28:14>> YES MA'AM.

1:28:20GOOD AFTERNOON.

1:28:22>> MY NAME IS VICKI SANTINI AND

1:28:24THE PARCEL OF LAND THAT.

1:28:25YOU HAVE ASSESSED THAT COST

1:28:27MORE THAN WHAT MY FAMILY.

1:28:28>> PAID.

1:28:28FOR IT BACK IN THE 1960S.

1:28:30WE PASSED THIS DOWN AND PAY

1:28:32TAXES ON IT FOR 60 YEARS NOW

1:28:35AND WE PAID $5,000 FOR IT.

1:28:37AND NOW YOU WANT US TO PAY

1:28:39$40,000.

1:28:40FOR WATER.

1:28:41AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN

1:28:43PAYING 3 TO $4000 A YEAR FOR

1:28:46TAXES TO THE CITY.

1:28:48YOU NEED TO COME UP WITH A

1:28:49DIFFERENT PLAN.

1:28:50YOU REALLY DO.

1:28:52UM, THIS LAND IS WORTH MORE

1:28:54THAN WHAT PEOPLE PAID FOR.

1:28:56IF YOU HAVE AN EMPTY LOT, WHY

1:28:57SHOULD YOU HAVE TO PAY MORE

1:28:59THAN WHAT THE LAND IS WORTH?

1:29:00SO YOU NEED TO REEVALUATE THIS

1:29:02AND COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT

1:29:03PLAN SOMEHOW OR OTHER YOU NEED

1:29:06TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON

1:29:07HERE.

1:29:08THANK YOU.

1:29:17YES, SIR.

1:29:19JOHN LASKY.

1:29:20>> UH.

1:29:21COULD YOU DEFER THE ACTION?

1:29:22I'M ASKING TO DEFER.

1:29:23>> THE ACTION ON.

1:29:24NOVEMBER 4TH.

1:29:25>> FOR THIS RESOLUTION.

1:29:27TO A NEW.

1:29:28COUNCIL SEATED.

1:29:28YOU'RE GOING.

1:29:29>> TO FLIP THIS BOARD BY.

1:29:30AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE.

1:29:32AND IF THEY.

1:29:33>> HAVE A.

1:29:33>> DIFFERENT PLAN.

1:29:34I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT.

1:29:35AND THE SECOND REQUEST I HAVE

1:29:38IS WOULD YOU BE WOULD YOU BE

1:29:39OPEN TO CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE?

1:29:42AND I'D VOLUNTEER FOR THAT

1:29:44SUBCOMMITTEE TO LOOK INTO.

1:29:47ALTERNATIVES BECAUSE YOU HAVE

1:29:49IT SEEMS TO ME I'M JUST GETTING

1:29:50THIS INFORMATION FOR THE FIRST

1:29:51TIME AND I IMAGINE YOU GUYS ARE

1:29:53AS WELL.

1:29:54SO IN REAL TIME CAN THAT BE

1:29:56POSTED ON THE WEBSITE AHEAD OF

1:29:58TIME SO WE CAN REVIEW THE

1:29:59CONTRACTS AND TAKE A LOOK AT

1:30:00WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR HERE

1:30:02BECAUSE IF YOU REALLY DO HAVE A

1:30:0439% YOU KNOW THAT'S FACTUAL

1:30:05INFORMATION.

1:30:05I'M HEARING A 39% MARKUP GOING

1:30:08INTO THIS PROJECT.

1:30:09I MEAN THAT'S HOW THAT'S YOU

1:30:10KNOW, THE DESANTIS'S GOT LAWS

1:30:14AGAINST THAT DURING HURRICANES.

1:30:15SO IT'S GOT TO BE SOME VERSION

1:30:17OF THAT TO STOP THIS.

1:30:19UH, THE EIGHT PEOPLE THAT ARE

1:30:21BIDDING OR THE EIGHT

1:30:22CORPORATIONS THAT ARE BIDDING

1:30:23THIS PROJECT, IS THERE A

1:30:25POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD GET

1:30:27ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE

1:30:29SCOPE OF IT, HOW THE SCOPE WAS

1:30:30INCREASED TO DO THE

1:30:32BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT BECAUSE

1:30:33I'M HEARING TONIGHT FOR THE

1:30:34FIRST TIME UP ONE, 2 OR 3

1:30:37DIDN'T HAVE THESE EXTRA

1:30:39ROUNDABOUTS AND STUFF IN IT.

1:30:40UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US

1:30:42AND AS YOU CAN SEE THIS IS UH A

1:30:44VERY UH, EMOTIONAL TOPIC.

1:30:48>> THANK YOU.

1:30:54IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO

1:30:56SPEAK ON RESOLUTION 243 DASH

1:30:5826.

1:30:59CAN I SPEAK AGAIN?

1:31:01>> NO.

1:31:02UM.

1:31:03>> WELL, MOST FOLKS.

1:31:06>> IN HERE ON FIXED INCOMES.

1:31:11ALL RIGHT, SO I'M FROM.

1:31:12THE NORTHWEST CAPE.

1:31:13MY NAME IS EVE BRINKER.

1:31:14I WAS AT.

1:31:15>> ONE OF THESE.

1:31:16MEETINGS BACK IN 2007 WHEN YOU

1:31:18WERE BRINGING IN THE ASSESSMENT

1:31:19AND THE WHOLE PROJECT THE PRICE

1:31:23WAS 17,000 MORE.

1:31:25>> THAN DOUBLED.

1:31:26NOW BACK THEN WE WERE AT ONE

1:31:30TIME THE LARGEST GROWING AREA

1:31:32IN UNITED STATES AND IT BECAME

1:31:33THE LARGEST FORECLOSURE AREA IN

1:31:35THE UNITED STATES.

1:31:36>> BACK.

1:31:37IN 2007.

1:31:37IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE

1:31:38BARKING UP THAT SAME TREE

1:31:40AGAIN.

1:31:41EVERYBODY AND.

1:31:42>> UM WE HAVE ALL THIS MONEY.

1:31:44I'VE BEEN LOOKING AROUND LIKE

1:31:45WHAT'S GOING ON THE LAST 23

1:31:47YEARS OF LIVING HERE?

1:31:47THEY TELL US WE'RE GOING TO BE

1:31:48LIKE NAPLES.

1:31:49THERE'S DOLLAR GENERAL

1:31:51EVERYWHERE.

1:31:51THERE'S CAR WASHES AS GAS

1:31:53STATIONS, THERE'S CHAIN

1:31:55RESTAURANT, THERE'S.

1:31:57APARTMENTS EVERYWHERE ALSO.

1:31:59THERE'S YOU GO DOWN THE STREETS

1:32:0247 TERRACE.

1:32:03IT'S TERRIBLE WHEN NOTHING LIKE

1:32:05NAPLES WHERE NOTHING IS NICE.

1:32:06NOTHING.

1:32:07>> AND THEN YOU GOT THE HIT

1:32:09KNOCKED UP FOR THE THE

1:32:10TESTAMENTS.

1:32:10WE GOT MONEY.

1:32:11WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THE

1:32:12BIMINI THE YACHT CLUB.

1:32:14WE'RE RUNNING TIDE.

1:32:15WE'RE RUNNING EXTENSIONS ON THE

1:32:17ROAD ON BURNT STORE ROAD LIKE

1:32:18REALLY WHY YOU'RE GOING TO

1:32:20BRING THAT THING TO A TWO LANE

1:32:21HIGHWAY BOTH WAYS.

1:32:24WHY ARE WE SPENDING THE MONEY

1:32:25DOING THIS NOW?

1:32:26PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE.

1:32:29THERE'S ROADS ALL OVER THE

1:32:30PLACE THAT ARE ONE LANE AND

1:32:31PEOPLE CROSS AND DO THEIR THING

1:32:33AND LIKE WHATEVER.

1:32:34SO WE SPENDING MONEY ON ALL

1:32:35THAT WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON

1:32:36JASON PARK THE PARK DOWN AT THE

1:32:39END OF TROPICANA EVERY TIME YOU

1:32:41TURN AROUND THERE'S ANOTHER

1:32:41PARK.

1:32:42GOING UP SOMEWHERE.

1:32:43>> THERE'S MONEY FOR THAT.

1:32:46THERE'S IT'S JUST.

1:32:47THE WHOLE THING IS INSANE.

1:32:48LIKE AND THEN TO LOOK AT THESE

1:32:49.

1:32:50PRICES LIKE REALLY HOW IS YOUR

1:32:52AVERAGE PERSON GOING TO AFFORD

1:32:54THIS SERIOUSLY I MEAN PEOPLE

1:32:57ARE CRYING RIGHT NOW.

1:32:58YOU'RE I KNOW YOU MOVED TO

1:32:59FLORIDA.

1:32:59YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU BOUGHT

1:33:00YOUR HOUSE FOR YOU KNOW HOW

1:33:01MUCH YOUR TAXES ARE.

1:33:02YOU KNOW WHAT.

1:33:03IT IS.

1:33:03YOU STEPPED IN.

1:33:04YOU STEPPED IN KNOWING WHAT

1:33:05YOUR PRICES.

1:33:06>> WERE GOING TO BE FOR

1:33:07EVERYTHING.

1:33:08BUT THEN AFTER THAT WE GOT

1:33:10HURRICANES.

1:33:11PEOPLE ARE STILL IN THE HOLE

1:33:12FROM THAT.

1:33:12I'M SURE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT

1:33:13ARE REFINANCING HOUSES TO FIX

1:33:15YOUR HOUSES FROM HURRICANES,

1:33:17THE.

1:33:17FLOODS THAT.

1:33:18THE INSURANCE ON AUTO HAD GONE

1:33:20UP.

1:33:20IT'S CRAZY THE PRICES FOR AUTO

1:33:22I MEAN LIKE MY HOUSE.

1:33:23>> YOU WENT UP $100.

1:33:24>> A MONTH.

1:33:25THE HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE IS UP

1:33:26TO 4000 4000 WHATEVER

1:33:31EVERYTHING.

1:33:31AND THEN WHEN YOU.

1:33:32BUY A.

1:33:32>> HOUSE HERE YOU BUILD A HOUSE

1:33:35.

1:33:35SORRY YOU PAY ANYWHERE FROM

1:33:39$10,000 TO $20,000 FOR

1:33:40PERMITTING.

1:33:40WHAT DOES ALL THAT GO TOWARDS?

1:33:41WHAT DO YOU DO WITH ALL THAT

1:33:42MONEY?

1:33:43I MEAN LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE

1:33:44LIVE IN THE CAPE.

1:33:45LOOK HOW MANY HOUSES.

1:33:46I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY HOUSES

1:33:48BUT EVERY HOUSE IN THIS CASE

1:33:49WAS EITHER 10,000 TO 20,000

1:33:51THAT WE GAVE YOU GUYS.

1:33:53WHERE'S ALL THAT MONEY?

1:33:56JUST.

1:33:58I DON'T KNOW I JUST FEEL LIKE

1:34:00THERE'S SO MUCH.

1:34:01>> MONEY BEING.

1:34:02WASTED AND THE ECONOMY'S SO BAD

1:34:04AND I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE GOING

1:34:05TO BECOME THE LARGEST

1:34:06FORECLOSURE IN THE UNITED

1:34:07STATES AGAIN.

1:34:08I MEAN, EVEN BACK THEN THE CITY

1:34:10WAS GOING BANKRUPT IN 2007.

1:34:12IMAGINE THAT.

1:34:14NOW LOOK WHERE WE'RE AT.

1:34:17THANK YOU MA'AM.

1:34:18>> EXCUSE ME SIR SIR, I BELIEVE

1:34:24THIS LADY WAS, UH, WAITING IN

1:34:26LINE.

1:34:27I PROBABLY DON'T KNOW.

1:34:30>> IT'S OKAY.

1:34:33GOOD EVENING.

1:34:34I ONLY.

1:34:35>> SAID FEE ALONE.

1:34:36PEOPLE YOU PAY IS THE SAME

1:34:38PAYING FOR ME.

1:34:40I'M LEAVING YOU BE NUMBER ONE

1:34:44AND I WANT TO ASK TO THE

1:34:47MANAGER MICHAEL.

1:34:48THE CITY HALL RECEIVED THIS

1:34:51YEAR $6.5 MILLION.

1:34:54FOR THE GRANT.

1:34:56WHERE IS THAT MONEY FOR YOU?

1:34:59YEP.

1:35:00NUMBER ONE WHEN WE NEED WHEN WE

1:35:02GOT TO ANY HELP.

1:35:04FOR THE RECEIVING WHERE IS THAT

1:35:06MONEY?

1:35:08$6.5 MILLION FROM THE GRANT I

1:35:11NEED TO SOMEBODY ANSWERED MY

1:35:14QUESTION BECAUSE USUALLY HERE

1:35:16NOBODY ANSWERED QUESTIONS.

1:35:18DON'T PUT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE

1:35:20THAT DON'T LISTEN TO US.

1:35:22BUT I BUY DICE AND I PAY HIGH

1:35:25TAXES HIGH ASSESSMENT.

1:35:27MY FAMILY IS MY BANK.

1:35:29YOU FINE EAT YOU YOU FAMILY IS

1:35:32YOU PAYING BUT MY FAMILY

1:35:33LEAVING YOU YEP ONE UM WE DON'T

1:35:37HAVE MONEY FOR PAY NOW WE ARE

1:35:39NOT RICH PEOPLE, OKAY?

1:35:41GOD IS NOT NOT ALL RICH PEOPLE

1:35:44.

1:35:44RICH PEOPLE.

1:35:45YOU ARE RICH PEOPLE NOT NOT US

1:35:48.

1:35:49THAT IS MY $6.5 MILLION.

1:35:53THE WAY I DO IT IS NOT MONEY.

1:36:01MY NAME IS THOMAS RICHARDSON

1:36:03NORTHWEST.

1:36:03IT'S LIKE A SOME IS UP A LITTLE

1:36:05BIT.

1:36:06NORMALLY SITUATION LIKE THIS

1:36:08NUMBERS.

1:36:09WIN LOOK AT.

1:36:10THIS LOOK.

1:36:11>> AT THIS LOOK AT ALWAYS

1:36:12PEOPLE HERE.

1:36:12NUMBERS AGAINST THE COUNCIL

1:36:14HERE.

1:36:15IF I'M WITH THE DOCTOR TOMORROW

1:36:17AND THEY TOLD ME I HAD CANCER I

1:36:19COULD ACCEPT THAT THIS DEATH

1:36:22SENTENCE IS HARD TO TAKE.

1:36:24EACH ONE OF YOU.

1:36:25LOOK AT.

1:36:25EVERYBODY THE I.

1:36:26>> LOOK AT THEM SEE WHAT YOU'RE

1:36:28DOING TO ME.

1:36:29PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING AND

1:36:30YOUR VOTE TONIGHT.

1:36:32THANK YOU.

1:36:37YES, SIR.

1:36:38GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

1:36:39MY NAME IS.

1:36:39>> DAN DUFFY.

1:36:40UH.

1:36:40>> PART OF.

1:36:41>> THE UP.

1:36:42THREE AREA.

1:36:42AND I HAVE.

1:36:42THE I.

1:36:43GUESS THE DISTINCT ADVANTAGE.

1:36:45>> OF HAVING TWO AND.

1:36:46>> A.

1:36:47HALF.

1:36:47>> UH.

1:36:48>> EQUIVALENT PARCELS.

1:36:48SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE ASKING ME

1:36:49FOR $100,000 VERY SHORTLY OR.

1:36:52>> I.

1:36:53COULD FIND ANSWER.

1:36:54>> TO THE.

1:36:54>> TUNE.

1:36:54OF.

1:36:55>> UH.

1:36:55>> ABOUT $1,000.

1:36:56>> A MONTH.

1:36:57OVER A 30 YEAR PERIOD.

1:36:58AND I GUESS I'D ASK JUST TO.

1:37:00>> THINK ABOUT.

1:37:00THAT AND ASK STAFF.

1:37:02>> TO.

1:37:02GO.

1:37:02BACK AND SAY.

1:37:03>> WHAT.

1:37:04WHAT CAN WE DO DIFFERENTLY?

1:37:05YOU KNOW.

1:37:06>> THE OPTION.

1:37:07FIVE I THINK THAT IS AWESOME.

1:37:09I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH.

1:37:11$15,000 TO ME THOUGH.

1:37:13AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO

1:37:14ASK THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT

1:37:16AREA TO FUND THOSE IMPROVEMENTS

1:37:19WHERE THE CITY'S DOING.

1:37:20SIMILAR WORK AND OTHER PARTS.

1:37:22THAT AREN'T BEING ASSESSED TO

1:37:23THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS

1:37:25ALONG THEIR PATH.

1:37:26UM.

1:37:27I LIVE.

1:37:28>> OFF KISMET.

1:37:28AND I DON'T KNOW IF.

1:37:30>> THE.

1:37:30CITY'S EVER.

1:37:31>> DONE A.

1:37:31>> TRAFFIC STUDY UP THERE, BUT

1:37:32I CAN GUARANTEE.

1:37:32THAT 90%.

1:37:34OF THE PEOPLE THAT USE KISMET

1:37:35DO NOT LIVE IN UP UP3 THEY LIVE

1:37:38.

1:37:38FURTHER NORTH IN THE CITY.

1:37:39SO YOU'RE ASKING US TO PAY FOR.

1:37:41IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO

1:37:43BENEFIT.

1:37:43OTHERS, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS

1:37:45FAIR I DON'T THINK IS

1:37:47REASONABLE.

1:37:47UM, AND I'M.

1:37:49HEARING THE INCREASE IN COSTS

1:37:51THAT WE'RE SEEING.

1:37:52I, I HAVEN'T SEEN A UH,

1:37:55SPECIFIC.

1:37:56COMPARISON BETWEEN.

1:37:56LAST ROUND OF CONSTRUCTION BIDS

1:37:58BUT HOPEFULLY THE CITY'S

1:38:00LOOKING.

1:38:00>> AT THAT.

1:38:01AND SAYING YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD

1:38:03WE DO DIFFERENTLY?

1:38:04>> ARE WE PUTTING TOO MUCH.

1:38:05WORK OUT AT ONCE?

1:38:06I MEAN 300 $400.

1:38:09>> MILLION IS A LOT OF WORK.

1:38:10DO WE HAVE THE CAPACITY.

1:38:11ENOUGH CONTRACTORS THAT ARE

1:38:14HUNGRY ENOUGH TO DO THAT OR

1:38:15SHOULD WE RESCALE THE PROJECT.

1:38:17>> AND.

1:38:17DO SOMETHING SMALLER THAT WE

1:38:19CAN.

1:38:19>> HAVE MORE.

1:38:20COMPETITION FOR EACH OF THE

1:38:21CONTRACTS INSTEAD.

1:38:22OF INSTEAD OF A CONTRACTOR.

1:38:24WINNING ONE AND THEN SITTING

1:38:25BACK SAYING I GOT MINE.

1:38:26I DON'T NEED TO GO IN.

1:38:27THE NEXT ONE THE NEXT ONE

1:38:29THEY'RE COMING IN EVEN HIGHER.

1:38:30BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S LESS

1:38:31PEOPLE COMPETING FOR IT.

1:38:33SO I THINK THE CITY NEEDS.

1:38:35>> TO GO BACK AND.

1:38:36YOU KNOW WHEN YOU GET SOMETHING

1:38:37THAT YOU.

1:38:38>> CAN'T AFFORD GO BACK AND

1:38:40LOOK AT WHAT YOU CAN DO

1:38:41DIFFERENTLY TO CUT BACK ON IT

1:38:43AND DO.

1:38:43THINGS IN A DIFFERENT MANNER TO

1:38:45MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE FOR ALL

1:38:47.

1:38:48>> THANK YOU.

1:38:53HELLO.

1:38:54MY NAME.

1:38:54>> IS AL MENDEZ AND I'M IN UH.

1:38:56NORTH WEST CAPE.

1:38:58UM I'VE FOUND.

1:39:01CAPE COD TO BE ONE OF THE MOST.

1:39:03AFFORDABLE CITIES WHEN.

1:39:04>> I.

1:39:04MOVED HERE NINE YEARS AGO.

1:39:05I'M A.

1:39:06>> RETIRED POLICE.

1:39:06OFFICER ON.

1:39:07>> A FIXED.

1:39:08INCOME AND I REALIZED THAT.

1:39:11THE SPENDING HERE.

1:39:12HAS BEEN HAS GOTTEN WAY OUT OF.

1:39:14CONTROL AND.

1:39:15>> IT ALL DEPENDS ON.

1:39:16>> WHO THE COUNCIL.

1:39:17MEMBERS ARE.

1:39:18UM, FOR.

1:39:19EXAMPLE.

1:39:20>> $5,000 ASSESSED TO.

1:39:22WEST OF BARNSTABLE ROAD FOR THE

1:39:24.

1:39:24ROAD BECAUSE AS.

1:39:25>> THE YOUNG.

1:39:25>> LADY.

1:39:26SAID WE'RE GOING TO BE THE

1:39:27ONES.

1:39:27USING IT.

1:39:27>> WHAT'S TO STOP.

1:39:28EVERYBODY ELSE FROM.

1:39:29COMING AND USING THOSE ROADS?

1:39:30IT'S A.

1:39:31>> PUBLIC ROAD.

1:39:32IT'S A PUBLIC ASSET ACCESS ROAD

1:39:34.

1:39:34WE SHOULD NOT HAVE.

1:39:36>> TO PAY FOR.

1:39:37>> THOSE ROADS.

1:39:38WHY DOES IT UH.

1:39:39WHY ISN'T IT SPREAD.

1:39:41EVENLY AMONG.

1:39:42>> THE ENTIRE.

1:39:43PROJECT INSTEAD.

1:39:44OF CHARGING THE.

1:39:46UH THE.

1:39:47>> PEOPLE IN THE WEST WEST THE.

1:39:48PERSONAL ROAD.

1:39:49>> AREA THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

1:39:52NUMBER TWO, I.

1:39:53THINK THAT YOU SHOULD TABLE.

1:39:55THIS AT.

1:39:55LEAST TILL.

1:39:56>> AFTER A NEW COUNCIL.

1:39:58>> AND MAYOR COME IN.

1:39:59AND MORE OR LESS PICK IT APART

1:40:02.

1:40:03AND SEE WHAT WE CAN.

1:40:04SAVE SOME.

1:40:04>> MONEY AND MAYBE APPLY FOR

1:40:06MORE.

1:40:06FEDERAL GRANTS.

1:40:07MAYBE THE COUNTY.

1:40:08CAN GET INVOLVED.

1:40:09AND THE STATE GET.

1:40:10INVOLVED SO WE DON'T.

1:40:12>> HAVE TO.

1:40:13UM.

1:40:13>> YOU KNOW.

1:40:14CARRY THIS.

1:40:15>> BURDEN ON PEOPLE WHO.

1:40:16ARE HAVE FIXED INCOMES.

1:40:18I WOULD APPRECIATE.

1:40:20>> ANY.

1:40:21CONSIDERATION ON THAT.

1:40:22>> THANK YOU.

1:40:23>> THANK YOU SIR.

1:40:25AND THIS WILL BE OUR THIS WILL

1:40:27BE OUR LAST SPEAKER.

1:40:28WE HAVE 60 MINUTES.

1:40:30THEY'RE ALLOTTED FOR PUBLIC

1:40:31INPUT AND WE'VE GONE OVER THAT

1:40:32A LITTLE BIT.

1:40:33UH, SO MA'AM GO AHEAD.

1:40:34THANK YOU.

1:40:35GOOD AFTERNOON.

1:40:36MY NAME IS GLORIA.

1:40:38I LIVE IN NORWAY.

1:40:39SKAGERRAK.

1:40:39AND I AM THINKING ABOUT IF YOU

1:40:44REALLY PAY ATTENTION THE

1:40:45PROPOSAL YOU.

1:40:47DID HERE.

1:40:48I'M SORRY.

1:40:49MY ENGLISH IS NOT PERFECT, BUT,

1:40:51UH.

1:40:52IT'S CRAZY YOU.

1:40:54THINK WE ARE AFFORDABLE TO PAY

1:40:56THAT AMOUNT?

1:40:58IT IS CRAZY AND IT IS SAD TO

1:41:03SEE MRS. JENNIFER YOU DIDN'T

1:41:07PAY ATTENTION WHILE MA'AM.

1:41:10I'M SORRY.

1:41:11I AM FREE TO TALK.

1:41:13>> I'M SORRY.

1:41:14I KNOW AND RESPECTFUL I JUST

1:41:19SAY IT IS CRAZY THE PRICES YOU

1:41:21TALK ABOUT.

1:41:22WE DON'T NEED THAT PROPOSAL.

1:41:25WE ARE FINE.

1:41:27FINE WITH OUR WATER.

1:41:30WE ARE DOING VERY WELL.

1:41:32IF YOU GOING THROUGH OUR

1:41:35NEIGHBORHOOD.

1:41:35IS BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED

1:41:40TO DO THE BEST WE CAN.

1:41:43I JUST ASK YOU MY BAG.

1:41:47YOU BEG YOU YOU PAY ATTENTION.

1:41:49WHY YOU SAY HERE THE PROPOSAL

1:41:52IT IS CRAZY.

1:41:53WE ARE NO RICH PEOPLE.

1:41:56THE RICH PEOPLE DOESN'T BEING

1:41:57HERE WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE

1:42:01CARE ABOUT OUR HOMES.

1:42:04WE CARE OUR AFFORDABLE WELL WE

1:42:10CAMPAIGN AND SORRY FOR.

1:42:11>> MY.

1:42:12ENGLISH BUT MRS. JENNIFER MAYBE

1:42:16YOU ARE IN OUR POSITION BUT

1:42:19IT'S SAD.

1:42:21IT IS IT IS.

1:42:23DON'T SMILE.

1:42:24YOU DON'T NEED TO SMILE.

1:42:27I'M SORRY BUT YOU DON'T.

1:42:30WE ARE HERE.

1:42:31WE ARE LISTENING TO YOU.

1:42:33THE LADY WHO WAS HERE.

1:42:35WE ASK SOMETHING AND SHE SAY

1:42:37I'M SORRY I DIDN'T HAVE THAT

1:42:39INFORMATION.

1:42:40YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION

1:42:44?

1:42:44IS OUR LIFE RIGHT?

1:42:48YOU NEED TO BE PROPER.

1:42:50YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION.

1:42:52DON'T SMILE AND SORRY IS ANGRY.

1:42:54IT'S PAINFUL.

1:42:56MAYBE MY ENGLISH IS NOT

1:42:58PERFECT.

1:43:00BUT IS VERY UNDER SPACE FOR.

1:43:04.

1:43:05>> THANK YOU.

1:43:07>> AND I'M SORRY.

1:43:14THAT WILL.

1:43:15CONCLUDE.

1:43:15>> UH.

1:43:16>> PUBLIC INPUT.

1:43:17IS THERE A MOTION REGARDING

1:43:20RESOLUTION 24 DASH 20?

1:43:21I'M SORRY 243 DASH 26.

1:43:23SORRY, MAYOR PRO TEM.

1:43:24I HAD MY LIGHT ON.

1:43:25DIDN'T DIDN'T WE SAY.

1:43:26EARLIER THAT.

1:43:28INDIVIDUALS COULD.

1:43:29SPEAK LONGER THAN.

1:43:3060 MINUTES?

1:43:30>> HOW MANY?

1:43:31I'M JUST WONDERING HOW.

1:43:32MANY MORE.

1:43:32>> MORE PEOPLE.

1:43:33AND ARE YOU.

1:43:34BREAKING IT UP VIA ORDINANCE?

1:43:36IN OTHER WORDS.

1:43:37>> IS IT SIX?

1:43:38>> I THOUGHT.

1:43:39>> YOU SAID THERE WAS.

1:43:39NO TIME LIMIT.

1:43:40I'M SORRY.

1:43:41IT'S IT'S A THREE MINUTE PER

1:43:44PERSON.

1:43:45CORRECT 60 MINUTE PER

1:43:46RESOLUTION.

1:43:47OKAY.

1:43:47>> I DON'T BELIEVE.

1:43:48>> YOU.

1:43:49SAID THAT EARLIER.

1:43:49SO DO.

1:43:50WE NEED TO.

1:43:51DO WE NEED TO FIND OUT IF

1:43:52THERE'S.

1:43:52ANY MORE.

1:43:53>> INDIVIDUALS WANTING TO.

1:43:53SPEAK TO THIS SPECIFIC

1:43:56RESOLUTION.

1:43:58WILL, UM, DEFER TO COUNCIL?

1:44:01YEAH.

1:44:01>> WHAT YOUR COUNCIL.

1:44:04RULES DO.

1:44:05>> IN FACT, UH, LIMIT IT TO 60

1:44:06MINUTES.

1:44:07IT'S THE SAME PROCESS FOR

1:44:08ORDINANCES.

1:44:08SO IF YOU WANT TO DEVIATE FROM

1:44:11THAT AND I KNOW WE'VE DEVIATED

1:44:12ALREADY BY SEVEN MINUTES

1:44:13BECAUSE I THINK WE START AT 450

1:44:15.

1:44:15IT WOULD BE THE UH THE WILL OF

1:44:17THE COUNCIL BY A MAJORITY VOTE

1:44:18.

1:44:18I MEAN.

1:44:19>> HOW MISTER.

1:44:20CITY ATTORNEY THEN I.

1:44:21>> MEAN I'M SORRY I.

1:44:22I COULD HAVE SWORN.

1:44:24I ASKED.

1:44:24>> THAT QUESTION EARLIER AND.

1:44:26I.

1:44:27>> I WASN'T TOLD THAT IT WAS.

1:44:2960 MINUTES.

1:44:29>> I WAS TOLD THE INDIVIDUALS

1:44:30COULD SPEAK THREE MINUTES.

1:44:32YES BUT AS LONG AS THE TIME

1:44:33FRAME.

1:44:34SO I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO

1:44:36FIGURE OUT MR. MAYOR PRO TEM, I

1:44:38APOLOGIZE.

1:44:38I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND

1:44:40IF WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT

1:44:41TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR UH

1:44:45,ORDINANCE VERSUS THE NEXT TWO

1:44:47LIKE WOULD YOU WANT TO GET A

1:44:48SHOW OF HANDS OF THAT OR WOULD

1:44:49YOU WANT TO?

1:44:50I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT

1:44:51OF PEOPLE HERE AND I KNOW IT'S

1:44:54GOING TO BE A LONG NIGHT, BUT

1:44:55YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL LIKE THEY

1:44:56WANT TO BE HEARD SO I DON'T

1:44:58KNOW YOUR.

1:44:59THOUGHTS OR.

1:44:59EVERYBODY'S STUFF.

1:45:00SO UM, THE PRESENTATION THAT

1:45:03WAS MADE, UH, CRYSTAL, WHERE

1:45:06ARE YOU?

1:45:08UH.

1:45:08>> IT'S CRYSTAL HERE.

1:45:11CRYSTAL, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

1:45:13THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU GAVE

1:45:16WAS THAT THE SAME PRESENTATION

1:45:18THAT WOULD BE GIVEN AT EACH ONE

1:45:19OF THE RESOLUTIONS OR DO YOU

1:45:21HAVE A DIFFERENT PRESENTATION

1:45:22FOR EACH RESOLUTION?

1:45:23IT'S ONE PRESENTATION FOR ALL.

1:45:25THREE OR SO.

1:45:26SO SO WE HAVE RECEIVED THE ONE

1:45:30PRESENTATION UM UH IN REGARD TO

1:45:31ALL THREE RESOLU RESOLUTIONS

1:45:34THAT WILL BE BROUGHT.

1:45:35THAT'S CORRECT.

1:45:35SO UM.

1:45:36A RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT WE

1:45:39MIGHT MAKE THAT WE AS A COUNCIL

1:45:41UH, COULD VOTE ON IS WHETHER

1:45:43THE PUBLIC UM INPUT UH WOULD BE

1:45:47COMBINED SINCE THE PRESENTATION

1:45:49WAS COMBINED IF WE WANT TO

1:45:53MAINTAIN THE PUBLIC INPUT ON

1:45:54ALL THREE RESOLUTIONS AT ONCE.

1:45:56WELL, I ALSO.

1:45:58RECOMMEND THAT THEY HOLD ON I

1:45:59SAW BEFORE YOU.

1:46:00>> DO.

1:46:01YOU DO.

1:46:01>> HELLO.

1:46:02OKAY.

1:46:03>> SORRY.

1:46:03UM WELL I I AGREE.

1:46:06>> WITH YOU BUT.

1:46:07>> I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE

1:46:07DISCUSSED THAT AT THE BEGINNING

1:46:09AND THEN WE COULD HAVE MADE A

1:46:10MOTION AT THAT TIME.

1:46:11SO IF WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION

1:46:14TO CONTINUE WITH CITIZENS INPUT

1:46:17UM, JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY HERE

1:46:19HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK,

1:46:20I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THAT MOTION.

1:46:22SO I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO

1:46:23EXTEND PUBLIC HEARING.

1:46:25UH, TIME FOR ANOTHER 60 MINUTES

1:46:29IF NEEDED.

1:46:31SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO EXTEND,

1:46:33UH, PUBLIC INPUT IN REGARD TO

1:46:35THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

1:46:37ALL THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS?

1:46:38YES, SIR.

1:46:39FOR ANOTHER 60 MINUTES.

1:46:41WE GET SOME.

1:46:42THAT HAS BEEN SECONDED.

1:46:44RIGHT.

1:46:45>> MR. CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL

1:46:48THE ROLL.

1:46:51GUNTER.

1:46:52>> NO COULD DO.

1:46:56I KILL RAIN.

1:46:58ALL RIGHT.

1:46:59LAST STRAW.

1:46:59I LEHMAN.

1:47:01UH LONG UH STINKY.

1:47:05>> UH, DANIEL.

1:47:06ALL RIGHT.

1:47:08SEVEN EYES, ONE NAY.

1:47:09MOTION CARRIED.

1:47:10THANK YOU.

1:47:11I APPRECIATE YOU.

1:47:12AND JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE

1:47:14RESIDENTS WHO ARE QUESTIONING

1:47:15AS SOON AS WE GET DONE WITH

1:47:17PUBLIC INPUT THAT'S WHEN WE

1:47:18WILL START ANSWERING THE

1:47:19QUESTIONS.

1:47:20SO WE HAVE POTENTIALLY ANOTHER

1:47:21HOUR OR SO.

1:47:22APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE.

1:47:23THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM.

1:47:25THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER LAST

1:47:27ROW UH SO WE WILL UH WE WILL

1:47:29CONTINUE THE PUBLIC INPUT UH

1:47:33PORTION UNTIL WE HAVE EITHER NO

1:47:37FURTHER SPEAKERS OR FOR 60

1:47:41MINUTES, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST.

1:47:45WHO WOULD BE NEXT FOR PUBLIC

1:47:48INPUT?

1:47:57HI I'M JOANNE ZARE, I'M IN.

1:48:00>> THE.

1:48:00NORTHWEST QUADRANT.

1:48:02AND UM.

1:48:03SOMETHING'S REALLY CONCERNING

1:48:04ME ABOUT THE.

1:48:05GOLF COURSE.

1:48:07CORAL OAKS.

1:48:09SO ORIGINALLY AH UP WAS

1:48:11SUPPOSED TO BE 2030.

1:48:13AND WHEN THIS ALL GOT MOVED UP

1:48:15CORAL OAKS GOLF COURSE GOT

1:48:18SOMEHOW CONSTRUCTED INTO OUR

1:48:20QUADRANT.

1:48:21SO I DID SOME RESEARCH.

1:48:23AND I LOOKED UP A FEW THINGS

1:48:25AND THE GOLF COURSE IS

1:48:27EQUIVALENT TO 6,000,006 969FT2

1:48:33WHICH IS.

1:48:34EQUAL TO.

1:48:36696 10,000 SQUARE.

1:48:38>> FOOT LOTS.

1:48:39OKAY.

1:48:40>> THAT TOTALS $25,806,000.

1:48:46WHY DID.

1:48:47>> OUR UP GET PUSHED UP AND WHY

1:48:49ALL OF A SUDDEN IS IT A BIG

1:48:50HURRY AND WHY IS THIS GOLF

1:48:53COURSE.

1:48:54THAT'S CITY OWNED.

1:48:56WITH CITY FUNDING ALL INCLUDED

1:48:59IN THIS QUADRANT.

1:49:00SO I.

1:49:01>> CONTINUE TO DO A LITTLE.

1:49:02MORE RESEARCH.

1:49:03AND I LOOKED UP.

1:49:04WHERE THE.

1:49:05>> FUNDS ARE COMING FROM.

1:49:07FROM THE CITY OWNED GOLF COURSE

1:49:09.

1:49:10SO THERE WERE GRANTS.

1:49:13CAPE CORAL GOT TWO GRANTS ONE

1:49:15FOR 25 MILLION, ONE FOR 6

1:49:17MILLION WHICH.

1:49:18TOTALS 31 MILLION.

1:49:21THE GRANT MONEY IS GOING TO BE

1:49:23USED TO HELP FUND THE GOLF

1:49:26COURSE.

1:49:27NOT THE RESIDENTS.

1:49:28THE GOLF COURSE.

1:49:29OKAY ALONG WITH.

1:49:32WATER REVENUE THAT.

1:49:34>> THEY'VE BEEN COLLECTING ON

1:49:35THE WATER BILLS.

1:49:36MY POINT OF THE.

1:49:38MATTER IS THEY'RE.

1:49:40OUT TO HELP WHAT THEY OWN, WHAT

1:49:41THEY NEED, WHAT THEY WANT AND

1:49:44NONE OF US.

1:49:46THANK YOU.

1:49:46>> ON THAT ONE NORTHWEST.

1:49:59NEIGHBORHOOD IT SAYS.

1:50:00OR NORTHWEST CAPE CORAL.

1:50:02UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UH.

1:50:04DO A LITTLE.

1:50:05>> BIT.

1:50:06OF.

1:50:06AN EDUCATIONAL TYPE THING.

1:50:07BACK IN I BELIEVE.

1:50:09>> IT WAS.

1:50:10MARCH OF 2025.

1:50:12>> THE NORTHWEST.

1:50:12NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

1:50:14>> CAME HERE.

1:50:14AND WANTED UH.

1:50:16ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.

1:50:18>> THAT INCLUDED THOSE

1:50:19ROUNDABOUTS.

1:50:19>> AND.

1:50:20THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

1:50:20SO THEY.

1:50:21>> WERE THE ONES.

1:50:22THAT CAME.

1:50:22>> HERE AND.

1:50:23UM, PETITIONED TO ON.

1:50:24BEHALF OF THE.

1:50:25NORTHWEST NEIGHBORS THAT ARE

1:50:27WEST.

1:50:27OF UH.

1:50:29BURNT STORE ROAD.

1:50:31FOR THAT EXTRA $5,000.

1:50:33JUST WANTED TO.

1:50:34LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT.

1:50:36THAT'S WHERE.

1:50:37>> THAT CAME FROM.

1:50:38>> YOU KNOW, WITH THAT

1:50:40ASSESSMENT, UM, THAT WASN'T ALL

1:50:42THE PEOPLE.

1:50:43CORRECT.

1:50:46GOOD EVENING.

1:50:46MY NAME IS.

1:50:47>> JOHN POLAR.

1:50:48I'M ON THE NORTHWEST CAPE IN

1:50:4933RD PLACE OFF OF UH, GULF

1:50:51STREAM.

1:50:51AND I JUST HAPPEN.

1:50:52>> TO FEEL LISTENING TO

1:50:53EVERYBODY HERE.

1:50:54>> THAT.

1:50:54I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT

1:50:55TIME FOR THIS.

1:50:56PROJECT FOR A.

1:50:56COUPLE OF.

1:50:57>> DIFFERENT REASONS.

1:50:58FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

1:50:59>> THEY'RE.

1:50:59TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY TAX, UM

1:51:01,REFORM.

1:51:02MAYBE WE SHOULD SEE HOW THAT

1:51:04GOES, SEE IF THERE'S ANY RELIEF

1:51:05WITH.

1:51:06RELIEF WITH.

1:51:06THAT I MOVED HERE FROM NEW

1:51:08JERSEY, BUILT MY HOUSE HERE

1:51:10FIVE YEARS AGO AND I PAY MORE

1:51:11PROPERTY TAXES HERE THAN I DID

1:51:13IN NEW.

1:51:13JERSEY.

1:51:14>> WHICH IS NOTORIOUSLY HIGH

1:51:15FOR PROPERTY TAXES.

1:51:15I PAY.

1:51:16>> $15,000 A YEAR.

1:51:17UM, MY HOUSE IS UH, SITUATED

1:51:20BETWEEN TWO HOUSES THAT PAY

1:51:22$6,000 LESS THAN ME.

1:51:23MY HOUSE WAS ASSESSED IN 2021.

1:51:25THE TAXES ARE HIGH.

1:51:27THE INSURANCE IS HIGH.

1:51:28CAR INSURANCE IS HIGHER THAN

1:51:29PREVIOUSLY BEFORE FOR A LOT OF

1:51:32THE REASONS THEY SAY A NEW

1:51:34EXCUSE ME A NEW BOARD.

1:51:35UM, WE HAVE A NEW GOVERNOR

1:51:37COMING IN.

1:51:37UM, BARRING DONALD'S IS OUR

1:51:40REPRESENTATIVE.

1:51:40FROM LEE COUNTY.

1:51:41MAYBE HE COULD HELP.

1:51:42MAYBE OTHER SOURCES OF REVENUE

1:51:45GENERATION PAY PARKING AND UH,

1:51:47IN DOWN IN DOWNTOWN CAPE LIKE

1:51:49THEY DO IN FORT MYERS GENERATE

1:51:50SOME CASH IN OTHER WAYS.

1:51:53UM, I JUST THINK THAT IN THIS

1:51:55INFLATIONARY TIME WITH THE

1:51:56INTEREST RATES AS THEY ARE

1:51:57RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST CRIPPLING

1:51:58TO EVERYBODY.

1:51:59UM, I LIVE ON THAT SIDE WHERE

1:52:01IT'D BE ABOUT 41,000.

1:52:02I'M ON THE RADIO LOT SO I'M

1:52:03GOING TO PROBABLY EVEN PAY A

1:52:04LITTLE BIT EXTRA.

1:52:05AND LIKE SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE

1:52:07WHO SPOKE HERE, I HAVE A HUGE

1:52:09SYSTEM THAT COST ME $25,000 TO

1:52:11INSTALL AND I'VE ONLY USED IT

1:52:13FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS.

1:52:14SO I'D BE GOOD FOR A LITTLE

1:52:16WHILE IF WE PUT THIS THING OFF

1:52:17UNTIL BETTER TIMES AND JUST TO

1:52:19KIND OF SEE IF THINGS EASE UP

1:52:21AND COSTS GO DOWN AND WE CAN

1:52:22GET SOME MORE COMPETITIVE BIDS

1:52:24IN AND SEE IF THERE'S JUST

1:52:26EVERY OPPORTUNITY UM, TO LOOK

1:52:28AT DIFFERENT THINGS.

1:52:29I DON'T KNOW IF SOME OF THE

1:52:30LABOR COULD BE DONE BY

1:52:32DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS

1:52:33PEOPLE THAT YOU SEE WORKING ON

1:52:34THE ROADS OR ANYTHING.

1:52:35MANY, MANY IDEAS THAT YOU CAN

1:52:37BRAINSTORM AND JUST TRY TO

1:52:38FIGURE OUT AND LOOK AT TO SEE

1:52:40IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN

1:52:41BRING THIS DOWN BY EVEN 5 OR 6

1:52:43OR 7% WOULD MAKE IT A LOT MORE

1:52:45AFFORDABLE FOR EVERYBODY.

1:52:46EVERY PENNY COUNTS RIGHT NOW.

1:52:47SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT

1:52:49EVERYTHING AND DO THIS AT A

1:52:50BETTER TIME.

1:52:52THANK YOU.

1:53:09HOW YOU DOING?

1:53:10THIS IS RICK ERICKSON.

1:53:13I'M THINKING THERE'S A LOT OF

1:53:14PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT AND THEY

1:53:14WANT TO SPREAD THEIR VOICES AND

1:53:16BE HEARD AND I THINK AT THIS

1:53:18TIME IT'S THE WRONG TIME TO

1:53:19DECIDE.

1:53:20I THINK WE SHOULD PUSH IT

1:53:20FORWARD TO AT LEAST WHEN THE

1:53:22COUNCIL HAS BEEN REPLACED AND

1:53:24WE HAVE MORE VISIBILITY.

1:53:25GET IT ON THE INTERNET SO

1:53:27PEOPLE CAN SEE IT IF THEY CAN'T

1:53:28COME IN HERE.

1:53:28LET'S JUST WAIT A LITTLE BIT.

1:53:30WE HAVE TIME.

1:53:30WE CAN PUSH A LITTLE BIT.

1:53:32I ASK FOR EVERYONE TO HOLD OFF

1:53:33UNTIL THE NEW COUNCIL IS IN

1:53:35CANADA SAY WITH MORE MEETINGS,

1:53:37MORE DISCUSSIONS AND MORE

1:53:38VISIBILITY.

1:53:39THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.

1:53:40THANK YOU.

1:53:52YES, MA'AM.

1:53:53HI.

1:53:54>> AMBER CALORIES CASTANEDA I'M

1:53:55IN THE NORTHWEST.

1:53:57SO MY QUESTION IS WILL THIS NEW

1:53:59INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE

1:54:00PUTTING IN TAKE CARE OF ALL THE

1:54:02ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS THAT

1:54:03HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR THE

1:54:05NORTHWEST CAPE AND THE

1:54:07NORTHEAST, WHICH IS THE

1:54:08SALTWATER INTRUSION AND ALSO

1:54:10THE SINKING?

1:54:12WILL IT TAKE CARE OF THOSE TWO

1:54:14PROBLEMS?

1:54:14THANK YOU.

1:54:17THANK YOU MA'AM.

1:54:25IS IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING

1:54:28TO SPEAK ON RESOLUTION 243 DASH

1:54:3326?

1:54:36YES, SIR.

1:54:38YES.

1:54:39>> MY NAME IS RANDY CLARK.

1:54:41I LIVE ON, UH, GULF STREAM

1:54:42PARKWAY.

1:54:44SO I HAVE A LOT OF.

1:54:47QUESTIONS.

1:54:47>> BUT.

1:54:48EVIDENTLY WE'RE NOT REALLY

1:54:48ALLOWED TO ASK TOO MANY

1:54:49QUESTIONS.

1:54:51SO I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF.

1:54:53SO I'D LIKE TO ASK.

1:54:55EVERYONE HERE ALL THE DIFFERENT

1:54:57COUNCIL PEOPLE.

1:54:57HAVE YOU ACTUALLY READ THE

1:54:59DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE SIGNING OR

1:55:01THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO GET US

1:55:03TO APPROVE?

1:55:05HAS ANY ONE OF YOU ACTUALLY

1:55:07READ THAT DOCUMENT FROM START

1:55:09TO FINISH PAGE BY PAGE?

1:55:11I'LL ASK EACH ONE OF YOU MR.

1:55:14SIR.

1:55:15I'M SORRY SIR.

1:55:16HAVE YOU READ THE DECISION AND

1:55:18THIS ISN'T.

1:55:18NO, NO, SORRY.

1:55:20IT'S AN.

1:55:20>> EASY QUESTION.

1:55:21HAVE YOU READ THE DOCUMENT THAT

1:55:23YOU'RE ASKING TO DO?

1:55:25YOU'RE YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER.

1:55:26NO, I NEED AN ANSWER TO THIS

1:55:29QUESTION RIGHT NOW.

1:55:30IT'S A IT'S A CASE YOU DON'T

1:55:32WANT TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL.

1:55:33YOU'RE YOU'RE ABLE TO GIVE YOUR

1:55:35INPUT.

1:55:36>> I BELIEVE YOU HAVE.

1:55:37NOT READ.

1:55:38>> IT AND YOU HAVE.

1:55:38>> NO IDEA WHAT'S IN THE

1:55:39DOCUMENT.

1:55:40YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING

1:55:41ON IN THIS AREA OF TOWN.

1:55:43FOR INSTANCE THE ROADS.

1:55:45ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE ROADS

1:55:47HAVE NOT BEEN UPKEEP NO UPKEEP

1:55:49ON THOSE ROADS EXCEPT FOR THE

1:55:52PARKWAYS.

1:55:53ALL THE BACK OR ALL THE ROADS

1:55:54IN THE BACK ARE ALL ORIGINAL

1:55:57ROADS FROM 20 YEARS AGO.

1:55:59AND YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT

1:56:01PUTTING NEW ROADS IN AND HAVING

1:56:03US PAY FOR IT.

1:56:04>> THE CITIZENS.

1:56:04ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MINDS?

1:56:08SERIOUSLY?

1:56:11SO AGAIN HAVE YOU Y'ALL READ

1:56:13THIS?

1:56:16I SUSPECT NOBODY HAS READ IT.

1:56:18AND YOU KNOW WHAT?

1:56:19I HAVEN'T READ IT AND I USED TO

1:56:21DO VERY LARGE CONTRACTS.

1:56:23A CONTRACT LIKE THIS FOR 350

1:56:25MILLION WOULD TAKE ME AT LEAST

1:56:26A MONTH IF I HAD EVERYTHING IN

1:56:28FRONT OF ME TO REVIEW.

1:56:30AND YOU WANT TO PUSH THIS

1:56:32THROUGH BY NOVEMBER 2ND?

1:56:38WHY IS THAT?

1:56:40CAN YOU TELL ME WHY YOU WANT TO

1:56:41DO THAT, SIR?

1:56:42ANY OF YOU PEOPLE MA'AM, MA'AM.

1:56:48OKAY.

1:56:48>> I LIKE THAT SONG.

1:56:51SAY YOU'RE GOING.

1:56:52KEITH, I KNOW THAT I'VE TRIED

1:56:54TO CALL YOU DOZENS OF TIMES.

1:56:55YOU DON'T ANSWER THE PHONE.

1:56:56YOU DON'T.

1:56:57YOU DON'T RESPOND.

1:56:58I'VE LEFT EMAILS.

1:57:00ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

1:57:02I DON'T KNOW THIS LADY.

1:57:03SHE SEEMS.

1:57:04VERY NICE.

1:57:05UH, I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THESE.

1:57:07>> PEOPLE IN FACT.

1:57:07BY YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN I SEE

1:57:09YOU ON TV AND YOU'RE VERY RUDE

1:57:12TO EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM.

1:57:15SO I DON'T LIKE THAT MUCH.

1:57:19SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS HAS.

1:57:21>> ANYONE.

1:57:21READ THIS?

1:57:23IF THEY HAPPEN TO KNOW THEY

1:57:24HAVEN'T AND NEITHER HAVE I AND

1:57:28.

1:57:28NEITHER IS ANYONE ELSE.

1:57:30>> IN THIS ROOM.

1:57:30AND NOW NONE OF US KNOW EXACTLY

1:57:32WHAT'S ON.

1:57:32THIS DOCUMENT.

1:57:34WHY IS IT SO NECESSARY THAT HAS

1:57:36TO BE DONE BY NOVEMBER 2ND?

1:57:38BECAUSE ONCE IT'S PUSHED

1:57:39THROUGH I'LL TELL YOU WHY.

1:57:41ONCE IT'S PUSHED THROUGH.

1:57:42THANK YOU SIR.

1:57:43IT'S PERMANENT.

1:57:45IT'S GOING TO BE VERY

1:57:46DIFFICULT.

1:57:47>> TO CHANGE.

1:57:48THANK YOU SIR.

1:57:49IN FACT IT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO

1:57:52CHANGE.

1:57:53AND YET SIR, YOUR TIME IS UP.

1:57:55THANK YOU.

1:57:58>> I BELIEVE.

1:57:58IN US.

1:58:02WHEN WE GET BACK.

1:58:03>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING

1:58:09TO SPEAK ON RESOLUTION 24326?

1:58:18SEEING NONE.

1:58:20PUBLIC INPUT IS NOW CLOSED.

1:58:24IS THERE ANY COUNCIL DISCUSSION

1:58:26?

1:58:27YES.

1:58:28>> YES.

1:58:33COUNCIL MEMBER CARDEW.

1:58:34THANK YOU.

1:58:36TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST

1:58:37SPOKE.

1:58:38YES.

1:58:38I HAVE READ THE RESOLUTIONS

1:58:40THAT ARE POSTED.

1:58:41SO MUCH SO THAT I EVEN ASKED

1:58:42THIS.

1:58:43MORNING FOR THE CONTRACTS

1:58:44BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T IN THEM.

1:58:45>> THE RESOLUTIONS ARE ABOUT 50

1:58:47PAGES EACH.

1:58:47IT'S VERY LIGHT READING IN THE.

1:58:49>> MORNING FOR ME WHILE I'M

1:58:50DRINKING COFFEE.

1:58:50THERE'S ONLY THREE RESOLUTIONS.

1:58:52150 PAGES.

1:58:52I SCANNED RIGHT THROUGH IT AND

1:58:54I SENT QUESTIONS TO STAFF.

1:58:56ASKING FOR THE CONTRACTS

1:58:57BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T IN THERE

1:58:58AND WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT

1:58:59YET.

1:59:00I TAKE PRIDE IN READING.

1:59:01EVERYTHING AND STAFF KNOWS THAT

1:59:04THAT.

1:59:04ON THURSDAY WHEN IT'S POSTED I

1:59:05READ IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH

1:59:06UNTIL I VOTE ON A WEDNESDAY

1:59:07NIGHT.

1:59:07THIS IS A.

1:59:08SPECIAL MEETING SO.

1:59:09>> I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT

1:59:10ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE ROAD FIVE

1:59:13IMPROVEMENTS.

1:59:14MARCH OF 2025.

1:59:16SO WE'RE TALKING.

1:59:18OVER A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THE

1:59:21NA.

1:59:22CAME IN IN PUBLIC.

1:59:23INPUT WHICH WAS AT THE END.

1:59:24>> OF THE MEETING AT THE TIME

1:59:26AND WE WERE PRESENTED ALL.

1:59:27THESE OPTIONS AND THEY CAME AND

1:59:28SPOKE ABOUT IT.

1:59:29SO IF STAFF COULD ADDRESS THAT

1:59:31A LITTLE BIT, I WOULD LOVE A

1:59:33LITTLE BIT.

1:59:33OF BACKSTORY.

1:59:35>> TO THAT.

1:59:35I MEAN I KNOW BECAUSE I WAS

1:59:36SITTING IN THE MEETING BUT.

1:59:37I DON'T THINK THAT ALL OF THESE

1:59:39PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THEY.

1:59:40CAME AND KIND.

1:59:41>> OF.

1:59:42PUSHED FOR.

1:59:42THIS ROAD IMPROVEMENT.

1:59:43WHY?

1:59:44>> WHY IS THE NWA CONTROLLING

1:59:46THIS COUNCIL.

1:59:4850 PEOPLE.

1:59:49I'M SORRY.

1:59:50I'M SORRY SIR.

1:59:52IF YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER.

1:59:54AND FOR ANYONE ELSE IF YOU WANT

1:59:56TO GO ON OUR WEBSITE AND LOOK

1:59:57THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE

1:59:58MEETING WAS MARCH 12TH.

2:00:002025 SO YOU CAN SEE THE

2:00:01PRESENTATION AND THE VIDEO AND

2:00:03YOU CAN WATCH THE PUBLIC INPUT

2:00:04OF.

2:00:04THEM COMING IN AND SPEAKING AND

2:00:05TOUTING FOR THIS.

2:00:07SO IF.

2:00:07STAFF COULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT

2:00:08OF A BRIEF UPDATE ON THAT.

2:00:09AND THEN.

2:00:10>> ALSO I WOULD LIKE I THINK UH

2:00:12IF CRYSTAL IS HERE I'D LIKE HER

2:00:13TO ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE I'M IN

2:00:15DISTRICT SEVEN I DON'T HAVE A

2:00:16ROAD CURRENTLY.

2:00:17>> I'M IN.

2:00:18THE UP I AM IN.

2:00:19>> THE ASSESSMENTS.

2:00:20>> I FEEL WHAT IS COMING FOR

2:00:21YOU GUYS.

2:00:22YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW FILTHY MY

2:00:23CAR IS, HOW HARD IT IS TO DRIVE

2:00:25TO EVEN GET.

2:00:26>> HOME.

2:00:26WHEN IT RAINS.

2:00:26IT'S AWFUL.

2:00:27IT'S A LOT COMING.

2:00:29>> TO YOU.

2:00:29SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AND I

2:00:32BELIEVE I KNOW THE ANSWER BUT I

2:00:34WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW HOW

2:00:35MUCH OF THE REST OF US.

2:00:37ARE PAYING FOR THE NON.

2:00:38ASSESSED COSTS SUCH AS THE

2:00:40ROUNDABOUTS AND OTHER

2:00:42IMPROVEMENTS.

2:00:42>> THAT ARE COMING IN.

2:00:43YOU GUYS ARE NOT.

2:00:44>> JUST FOOTING THE BILL.

2:00:44ALL OF US ARE AND THERE ARE

2:00:45ROADS BACK THERE THAT I WILL.

2:00:46>> NEVER DRIVE ON BUT I AM

2:00:47PAYING FOR THAT SO I WANT.

2:00:48>> YOU GUYS TO BE AWARE OF

2:00:49THAT.

2:00:49SO MISTER CITY MANAGER IF YOU

2:00:51COULD.

2:00:51.

2:00:52>> YEAH IF I MAY.

2:00:53MISTER CHAIR.

2:00:54I'VE GOT ABOUT 19.

2:00:56QUESTIONS THAT I WROTE DOWN

2:00:58FROM ALL THE RESIDENTS AND I

2:01:00CAN TELL YOU.

2:01:00SPECIFICALLY HOW THE

2:01:02ROUNDABOUTS IN ALTERNATIVE FIVE

2:01:03ARE BEING FINANCE AND CAME

2:01:05ABOUT.

2:01:05THAT WOULD BE ON THERE.

2:01:06I SUSPECT THAT I HAVE ALL THE

2:01:10QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT

2:01:11WANT TO TALK ABOUT

2:01:12INDIVIDUALLY.

2:01:13IT MIGHT BE BEST THAT I GO

2:01:15THROUGH THEM, HAVE MY STAFF

2:01:17RESPOND TO ALL OF THEM AND THEN

2:01:19IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE

2:01:20DIDN'T COVER UH, I'M TELLING

2:01:22YOU I WANT TO TELL YOU NOW.

2:01:24ANYBODY THAT JUST MADE A

2:01:26STATEMENT I'M NOT INTENDING ON

2:01:28RESPONDING TO ALL THE

2:01:29STATEMENTS, PEOPLE'S OPINIONS

2:01:30AND THEIR THOUGHTS AND BUT THE

2:01:32QUESTIONS I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN

2:01:33AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE MY STAFF

2:01:35ANSWER THOSE IF YOU ALL THINK

2:01:37THAT'S THE WAY TO GO.

2:01:38OTHERWISE WE CAN DO EXACTLY

2:01:40THIS AND I CAN YOU KNOW, ONE

2:01:42COUNCIL MEMBER AT A TIME WE CAN

2:01:43HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED

2:01:44WHATEVER YOU THINK IS MORE

2:01:46EFFICIENT FOR YOU ALL.

2:01:47WOULD IT BE THE WILL OF THIS

2:01:49COUNCIL TO ALLOW AS MANY OF

2:01:50THOSE QUESTIONS TO GET ANSWERED

2:01:51AS POSSIBLE AS WE MOVE.

2:01:52FORWARD WITH.

2:01:53>> THAT FOR SURE.

2:01:55OKAY.

2:01:55>> THANK YOU MR. CITY MANAGER.

2:01:57GO AHEAD.

2:01:58YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

2:01:58OKAY SO THE.

2:02:02FOURTH GO AHEAD SIR.

2:02:05AND I DON'T HAVE THE RULE OF

2:02:07POINT OF ORDER.

2:02:07SO FOR IF MY STAFF'S BEING

2:02:09YELLED THAT I HAVE TO RELY ON

2:02:10YOU ALL TO TO.

2:02:11STOP THE MEETING.

2:02:13OKAY, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

2:02:14ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO NEED,

2:02:16UM, CRYSTAL AND MARK FROM

2:02:18FINANCE I'M GOING TO NEED JEFF

2:02:20UH, FROM UTILITIES I'M GOING TO

2:02:23NEED, UH, BILL OR MATT FROM

2:02:24PUBLIC WORKS.

2:02:25I'M GOING TO NEED UH, MAUREEN

2:02:28I'M GOING TO NEED YOU FOR THE,

2:02:30UM THE EMERGENCY.

2:02:35I HAVE A COUPLE THAT I CAN

2:02:37ANSWER.

2:02:39OKAY.

2:02:40>> AND THEN IF YOU ALL WOULD

2:02:44JUST KIND OF STAND UP BY THE

2:02:46STAND UP BY THE MICROPHONE

2:02:47BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH

2:02:48THEM AND JUST, UM HAVE YOU HAVE

2:02:50YOU ANSWER.

2:02:54AND THESE ARE GOING TO BE THESE

2:02:56I WROTE THESE DOWN IN ORDER AS

2:02:58THEY WERE RECEIVED.

2:02:59SO SOME OF THE FIRST THINGS I'M

2:03:01GOING TO I'M NOT GOING TO GROUP

2:03:02THEM BY CATEGORY.

2:03:03IT'S JUST AS THE FLOW OF THE

2:03:05MEETING.

2:03:06SO CRYSTAL ONE OF THE FIRST

2:03:08QUESTIONS.

2:03:09>> EXCUSE.

2:03:09ME EXCUSE ME MR. MANAGER.

2:03:10IF I MAY MISS MAY I JUST

2:03:12BREAKING IT FOR A MINUTE SO WE

2:03:14CAN JUST KIND OF SET THE TABLE

2:03:16SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME

2:03:17PAGE HERE AND THERE.

2:03:19SO TO GET IN FRONT OF IT FOR

2:03:21YOUR.

2:03:21CONSIDERATION WHAT'S GOING TO

2:03:23HAPPEN IS QUESTIONS GET

2:03:25ANSWERED ASK AND THEN THEY GET

2:03:27ANSWERED.

2:03:27SO I'M JUST ASKING STARTING

2:03:29HERE AND THERE THAT THE ANSWER

2:03:31WE DON'T AGREE WITH OR

2:03:33APPRECIATE.

2:03:34I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALL ARE

2:03:35GOING TO MANIFEST THAT WHAT I

2:03:36NEED TO HEAR FROM HER SO I CAN

2:03:38ARTICULATE TO YOU AND ANYONE

2:03:40ELSE THERE ARE THE ANSWERS TO

2:03:42THE QUESTION BECAUSE YOU CAN

2:03:44BEST BET SOMEONE ANSWERS YOU'RE

2:03:45GOING TO HEAR BECAUSE I WROTE

2:03:46THEM DOWN TOO.

2:03:47SO I LIKE THIS FORMAT.

2:03:49SOME OF THE ANSWERS YOU'RE NOT

2:03:50GOING TO LIKE AND THEN HERE WE

2:03:52GO GAVEL START RECESS.

2:03:54SO I'M ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER

2:03:56WHEN YOU GET THE ANSWERS AND

2:03:57YOU DON'T APPRECIATE IT AGREE

2:03:59WITH IT HOW YOU MANIFEST THAT

2:04:00FINE.

2:04:01BUT I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO

2:04:02ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND AT THE

2:04:04END SO IT WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE

2:04:06AND THEN WE CAN JUST KIND OF

2:04:07TALK HOW WE TALK ON THE END.

2:04:08THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING COUNCIL

2:04:10IN FOR US TO CONSIDER.

2:04:11WE CAN'T MAKE YOU GO THIS IS

2:04:13FREE.

2:04:13SO THAT'S ALL I JUST WANT TO

2:04:15PUT THAT OUT TO SET THE TABLE

2:04:16AS HE STARTS THE FIRST QUESTION

2:04:19OKAY.

2:04:20.

2:04:20>> THANK YOU.

2:04:22OKAY.

2:04:22>> UH CRYSTAL THERE WAS A

2:04:24QUESTION ASKED OF THERE WAS THE

2:04:26COST OF THE PROJECT AND THEN

2:04:27THE ASSESSMENT THAT GETS BILLED

2:04:29.

2:04:29THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED

2:04:31ABOUT THESE.

2:04:32NOT CRAZY.

2:04:33YOU CAN'T HEAR.

2:04:35THOSE QUESTIONS.

2:04:38AND MA'AM, I'M SORRY WE'RE

2:04:42DOING THE BEST THAT WE CAN TO

2:04:44ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

2:04:45IF YOU CAN STAY, YOU'LL GET

2:04:47ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS.

2:04:49SORRY.

2:04:50SORRY FOR THE DELAY.

2:04:51GO AHEAD.

2:04:53THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT

2:04:56IS IN THE COLLECTION COST THE

2:04:58STATUTORY DISCOUNT IN THE

2:04:59INTEREST COMPONENT OF THE

2:05:01ASSESSMENT.

2:05:02SO THE ANNUAL UM.

2:05:05ASSESSED ASSESSED PAYMENT ARE

2:05:07THEY ANNUAL PAYMENT UM CONSISTS

2:05:09OF THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST

2:05:11EACH YEAR THEY UM WHEN WE GO

2:05:13OUT FOR DEBT THERE WILL BE AN

2:05:15AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE THAT WILL

2:05:16BE UM FINALIZED AND EACH YEAR

2:05:20WILL HAVE AN INTEREST RATE

2:05:22ATTACHED TO IT.

2:05:23THAT IS THE INTEREST RATE THAT

2:05:25THOSE BEING ASSESSED WOULD PAY

2:05:28.

2:05:28SO IT INCLUDES THAT INTEREST

2:05:29RATE ALONG WITH THE TAX

2:05:31ASSESSOR'S COLLECTION COSTS UM,

2:05:33FOR THEM TO ADMINISTER THE

2:05:35COLLECTION OF OF THE ASSESSMENT

2:05:38AND THEN THERE'S A STATUTORY UM

2:05:40DISCOUNT RECOVERY COSTS OF THE

2:05:424% ARE UP TO 4% THAT RESIDENTS

2:05:45UM AND THE ASSESSORS ARE UH

2:05:48ALLOWED IF UH DEPENDING ON THE

2:05:50TIMING THAT THEY ACTUALLY PAY

2:05:51THEIR TAX BILL OR PAY THE

2:05:53ASSESSMENT.

2:05:53SO ALL OF THAT IS FACTORED INTO

2:05:55THE ANNUAL ASSESSMENT EACH YEAR

2:05:56.

2:05:57OKAY.

2:05:58>> AND THERE WAS THAT THERE.

2:06:01AND THE UH SO THE EARLIER YOU

2:06:03PAY ONCE YOU RECEIVE YOUR TAX

2:06:04BILL THE EARLIER YOU PAY UM A

2:06:074% IS THE HIGHEST UM DISCOUNT

2:06:09THAT YOU CAN RECEIVE.

2:06:11AND THEN AS TIME GOES BY IT

2:06:13GOES DOWN FROM THERE ALL THE

2:06:14WAY DOWN TO 0%.

2:06:17OKAY.

2:06:18>> THERE WAS A QUESTION

2:06:20REGARDING THE TBD ESTIMATES.

2:06:23THERE WERE TWO BIDS THAT WERE

2:06:24NOT RELEASED NOT OBTAINED YET

2:06:27AND UM THE QUESTION WAS HOW DID

2:06:31WE COME ABOUT THE NUMBER THAT

2:06:32WE PLUGGED IN IN ORDER TO

2:06:35GENERATE THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT

2:06:36THAT WE HAVE TODAY?

2:06:38>> OKAY.

2:06:38I WILL LET BILL ANSWER THAT.

2:06:42GOOD AFTERNOON, BILL CORBETT

2:06:43PUBLIC.

2:06:44WORKS UH YES.

2:06:44THE UH ASSESSMENTS YOU SEE ARE

2:06:46NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNTS AND THE

2:06:49ASSUMED COSTS ARE BASED ON THE

2:06:50ENGINEER'S ESTIMATES AND THE

2:06:52HIGHEST UNIT PRICE WE RECEIVE

2:06:53FOR THE BIDS THAT WE'VE

2:06:55CURRENTLY RECEIVED THUS FAR.

2:06:57BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

2:06:58YOU MIGHT HAVE.

2:07:01THEN.

2:07:01>> UH.

2:07:03THE INTENT.

2:07:04OF UTILIZING THE HIGHEST UNIT

2:07:06COST FOR THOSE BIDS IS SO THIS

2:07:08WAY TONIGHT WE CAN INTRODUCE A

2:07:10NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER.

2:07:11SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT NUMBER

2:07:13REFINED IT SHOULD ONLY COME

2:07:14DOWN.

2:07:14NOW KEEP IN MIND THE FINAL

2:07:16ASSESSMENT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE

2:07:17BRINGING THE FINAL RESOLUTION

2:07:19NOVEMBER 2ND.

2:07:20ULTIMATELY THE PROJECT WILL UH

2:07:22EXPERIENCE COST ADJUSTMENTS

2:07:24THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT AND

2:07:26ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE

2:07:27PROJECT, UH, IF THERE'S A

2:07:29REFUND THAT WILL BE ISSUED AT

2:07:31THE END OF THE PROJECT UPON

2:07:32RECONCILIATION.

2:07:35WHICH IN WHICH IN HISTORY EVERY

2:07:37PROJECT HAS.

2:07:38EXPERIENCED THE.

2:07:39>> REFUND FOLKS YOU WANTED

2:07:42ANSWERS.

2:07:43WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE

2:07:44ANSWERS.

2:07:46IF THE PEOPLE CAN'T HEAR THE

2:07:47ANSWERS BEING GIVEN THEN WE'RE

2:07:49NOT SERVING THEM.

2:07:50SO LISTEN TO THE ANSWERS.

2:07:52WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN TO GET

2:07:54THEM ALL ANSWERED AS THOROUGHLY

2:07:56AS WE CAN.

2:07:57THIS NEXT ONE.

2:07:59>> IS FOR, UH, JEFF.

2:08:07JEFF, THERE WAS A QUESTION

2:08:08REGARDING UM SOMEBODY WELL AND

2:08:11WILL THEY STILL THE THEY ASKED

2:08:14IF THEY WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED

2:08:15TO USE THEIR WELL BECAUSE IT

2:08:16WAS STILL FUNCTIONING AND UH

2:08:19WANTED TO KNOW IF AFTER WE COME

2:08:21THROUGH IF THEY'RE GOING TO

2:08:22HAVE TO ABANDON THEIR WILL IN

2:08:24NORTH THREE.

2:08:25NO.

2:08:25>> IF YOU.

2:08:26HAVE AN EXISTING WELL.

2:08:27IN NORTH THREE AT THE PRESENT

2:08:30TIME YOU CAN STILL USE THAT

2:08:32WELL FOR IRRIGATION PURPOSES

2:08:34ONLY.

2:08:35JEFF.

2:08:35>> CAN YOU TALK ABOUT UM THE

2:08:37DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NORTH THREE

2:08:39AND AND SOME OTHER AREAS INSIDE

2:08:41THE CITY WHERE WHAT THAT

2:08:43SPEAKER WAS THINKING ABOUT IS

2:08:45THE TRUTH.

2:08:46YES.

2:08:47>> IN THE NORTHEAST AREA OF

2:08:49CAPE CORAL, THE MID HAWTHORN

2:08:51AQUIFER UM, DROPPED BELOW THE

2:08:55MAXIMUM DEVELOPABLE LIMIT UH,

2:08:57BECAUSE OF ALL THE STRAWS IN

2:08:59THE GROUND, ALL THE WELLS AND

2:09:02UM THE WATER MANAGEMENT

2:09:04DISTRICT, LEE COUNTY AND THE

2:09:06CITY OF CAPE CORAL CAME UP WITH

2:09:08A UM JOINT ACTION PLAN AS PART

2:09:12OF THAT JOINT ACTION PLAN

2:09:15ORDINANCE SEVEN DASH 25 WAS

2:09:18ADOPTED ON MARCH 5TH OF LAST

2:09:21YEAR.

2:09:22UH THAT ORDINANCE UH REQUIRED

2:09:26IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING UM

2:09:30IRRIGATION SYSTEM YOU CANNOT

2:09:32USE YOUR WELL UH NO LONGER YOU

2:09:35DO NOT HAVE TO ABANDON THAT

2:09:37WELL BUT YOU CANNOT USE IT UM,

2:09:40IF YOU'RE IN A UP AREA THAT WAS

2:09:42IMPACTED BY THE POLYGON UH,

2:09:45THAT THE WATER MANAGEMENT

2:09:47DISTRICT UH, SET FORTH IN THEIR

2:09:51UM WATER SHORTAGE ORDER UM,

2:09:55THEN UM, YOU HAD TO UH IF YOU

2:09:59WERE STILL USING IT, YOU HAD

2:10:01ACCESS TO IRRIGATION THEN YOU

2:10:02HAD TO CONNECT TO IRRIGATION.

2:10:04SO BUT IF YOU WERE JUST

2:10:06STRICTLY ON A WELL AND YOU HAD

2:10:08IT ONLY FOR YOUR DRINKING WATER

2:10:10INSIDE YOUR HOME OR DOMESTIC

2:10:12USES AND YOUR IRRIGATION SYSTEM

2:10:14,UH, YOU COULD CONTINUE TO USE

2:10:17IT BUT YOU COULD NOT WATER

2:10:19EXCEPT DURING UH AT ONE TIME IT

2:10:22WAS NO WATERING UH, BECAUSE OF

2:10:25WHERE THE AQUIFER LEVEL WAS.

2:10:28UM, WE WERE ABLE TO WITH THE

2:10:31NORTH ONE UP WEST, RAISE THE

2:10:33WATER LEVELS WITH ALL THE NEW

2:10:36FOLKS COMING ONLINE UH, TO THE

2:10:39POINT THAT THEY RESCINDED THAT

2:10:43UH, PHASED WATER SHORTAGE AND

2:10:45THEN IT ALLOWED UH ONCE A WEEK

2:10:48WHICH IS A CURRENT UH,

2:10:51SITUATION, I CAN TELL YOU THAT

2:10:55WHEN I LOOKED AT THE WATER

2:10:56LEVELS THIS MORNING, UH, WE ARE

2:11:00ALREADY UH, ABOUT 12FT ABOVE

2:11:03THAT MAXIMUM DEVELOPABLE LIMIT

2:11:05AMOUNT DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTED TO

2:11:07THE NORTH ONE UP WEST.

2:11:10IF THAT PROJECT DID NOT MOVE

2:11:13FORWARD, UM, THEY WOULD SOME

2:11:17HOMES PROBABLY WOULD LOSE THEIR

2:11:19WELLS.

2:11:20THEY WOULD HAVE NO WATER.

2:11:21THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE TO

2:11:22DRILL DEEPER.

2:11:23IT WOULD CAUSE MORE ISSUES.

2:11:26THAT SAME SCENARIO IS GOING TO

2:11:29HAPPEN IN OTHER PARTS OF THE

2:11:31CITY IF WE DON'T GET CENTRAL

2:11:34UTILITIES EXTENDED TO HOMES

2:11:36WHERE WE HAVE LARGE NUMBERS OF

2:11:38HOMES, THE AQUIFER IS NOT

2:11:41SUSTAINABLE TO HANDLE THAT MANY

2:11:43PRIVATE WELLS.

2:11:45IT'S JUST NOT WHEN YOU HAVE

2:11:47THAT MANY UH, GOING IN THE

2:11:49GROUND AND YOU'VE GOT FULL

2:11:51STREETS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE

2:11:52ROAD WITH WELLS IT JUST CAN'T

2:11:55HANDLE IT.

2:11:55SO THAT'S WHY DO YOU.

2:11:57YES, SIR.

2:11:58CAN I'M SORRY I'M TURNING TO

2:12:00ABOUT WHAT?

2:12:01THE QUESTION I THINK IS

2:12:03IMPORTANT IS YOU'RE DISCUSSING

2:12:05THIS THE AQUIFER LEVEL THAT WE

2:12:07WERE MEASURING AND MONITORING

2:12:09FOR NORTH ONE IS THAT THE SAME

2:12:11AQUIFER THAT THESE RESIDENTS

2:12:13PULL FROM IN NORTH THREE AND

2:12:15ARE THEY ARE THEY CONNECTED?

2:12:16SO THERE'S WHAT IS WHY THEY'RE

2:12:19HURT OR HELP THAT AQUIFER SO

2:12:21DID NORTH ONE SO CAN TALK ABOUT

2:12:24WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE IN THE

2:12:25SAME OR DIFFERENT AQUIFER.

2:12:27UH MORE THAN LIKELY THEY ARE IN

2:12:29THE SAME AQUIFER.

2:12:30IT'S A MID HAWTHORN UH OR THEY

2:12:32ARE IN THE SANDSTONE AQUIFER.

2:12:35UH IT'S A DIFFERENT AQUIFER

2:12:37THAN WHAT THE CITY PULLS ITS

2:12:39DRINKING WATER FROM.

2:12:40IT'S CONSIDERED A FRESHWATER

2:12:42AQUIFER.

2:12:43UH, SO IT'S NOT SALTY.

2:12:45THE AQUIFER THAT THE CITY PULLS

2:12:47FROM IS A MUCH DEEPER AQUIFER.

2:12:49IT'S CALLED THE LOWER HAWTHORN

2:12:50AND IT'S A SALIENT AQUIFER.

2:12:52AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN

2:12:54INDUSTRIAL TYPE REVERSE OSMOSIS

2:12:57SYSTEM YOU CANNOT DRINK THAT

2:12:59WATER ONCE YOU PULL IT OUT OF

2:13:01THE GROUND AND YOU'D HAVE TO

2:13:02HAVE A WHOLE HOME ROAD SYSTEM

2:13:05WHICH ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.

2:13:07UM AND.

2:13:08THAT'S GOOD.

2:13:09LET ME GO.

2:13:10>> I'LL GO TO LET ME GO TO THE

2:13:11NEXT ONE.

2:13:12UM THIS MIGHT BE FOR LIZ OR

2:13:14FINANCE.

2:13:15THERE WAS UH, A STATEMENT ABOUT

2:13:17INFLATION, COST OF PIPES,

2:13:20ASPHALT MATERIAL AND THE

2:13:22QUESTION WAS HOW CAN WE MOVE

2:13:24FORWARD WITH BIDS THAT ARE 95%

2:13:27HIGHER THAN THE LAST STEP?

2:13:30I THINK IT'S JUST A SIMPLE

2:13:31ARITHMETIC QUESTION.

2:13:33OUR OUR BIDS ARE THE BIDS FOR

2:13:36THIS 95% HIGHER THAN THE LAST

2:13:37ONE?

2:13:40THE CORPORATE PUBLIC WORKS AT

2:13:41THIS POINT WE HAVE NOT

2:13:43QUANTIFIED THE DIFFERENTIAL IN

2:13:44THE PREVIOUS BIDS AND UH

2:13:46CURRENT BIDS.

2:13:46HOWEVER, UH IT IS APPARENT THAT

2:13:49IT IS NOT A 95% MARKUP UH FROM

2:13:51THE PREVIOUS UPS.

2:13:53AND AND WHY ARE YOU WHY ARE YOU

2:13:55SAYING THAT IT'S NOT A 95%.

2:13:57BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT

2:13:59THE UNIT COSTS WE HAVE SEEN

2:14:01ACTUALLY A REDUCTION IN SOME OF

2:14:03THE UNIT COSTS BETWEEN UH NORTH

2:14:05ONE WEST MOVING INTO NORTH

2:14:07THREE.

2:14:07THANK YOU.

2:14:08>> UH, BILL STAY UP THERE.

2:14:11THIS ONE IS RELATED TO THE

2:14:13ALTERNATIVE FIVE ROADWAY.

2:14:16UM, CAN YOU DISCUSS, UM, HOW

2:14:19FAR BACK THE ALTERNATIVE

2:14:22ROADWAY DESIGNS GOES IN THE

2:14:25NORTHWEST VISION AND THEN KIND

2:14:27OF HOW WE HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY

2:14:29BUT UH, A CONTRACT APPROVAL,

2:14:31THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION KIND OF

2:14:33EVERYTHING.

2:14:34SURE.

2:14:34>> UH, SO APPROXIMATELY 2015

2:14:381415 UH, THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS

2:14:40AND DESIGN CHARETTE HELD

2:14:41RELATED TO THE OLD BURN STORE

2:14:43ROAD CORRIDOR, THE SEVEN

2:14:44ISLANDS DEVELOPMENT, A VARIETY

2:14:46OF NORTHWEST CAPE CORAL

2:14:47VISIONING WAS TAKING PLACE AT

2:14:48THAT TIME.

2:14:49DURING THAT TIME THERE WERE

2:14:51MULTIPLE ROADWAY CROSS-SECTIONS

2:14:52THAT WERE DESIGNED AND PROPOSED

2:14:54AS PART OF THAT REPORT.

2:14:55PART OF THAT STUDY UH INDICATED

2:14:57THAT THE PREFERENCE FOR UH WHAT

2:14:59I'LL SAY THE THE UH MOST

2:15:02PREFERRED OPTION DURING THE

2:15:04DESIGN CHARRETTE WAS SOMETHING

2:15:06VERY VERY SIMILAR TO

2:15:07ALTERNATIVE FIVE ALMOST EXACT

2:15:09WITH MULTI-USE PATHS ON EITHER

2:15:11SIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AN

2:15:13UNDIVIDED TWO WAY TWO-LANE

2:15:14ROADWAY UH, AND ENHANCED

2:15:15GREENWAYS ON THE SIDE UH

2:15:17ULTIMATELY MOVING FORWARD UH

2:15:19THAT UM THERE WERE NO ROADWAY

2:15:21IMPROVEMENTS CONSIDERED AT THAT

2:15:22POINT IN TIME UNTIL OF COURSE

2:15:23WE HAVE UH, CONSTRUCTION

2:15:25ACTIVITIES IN THAT AREA AT THIS

2:15:26POINT IN TIME.

2:15:27UH, WE HAD BEEN REACHED OUT TO

2:15:29MY PREVIOUS UH PARDON ME BY UH,

2:15:32RESIDENTS IN THE NORTHWEST CAPE

2:15:33REACHED OUT TO THE CITY

2:15:34MANAGER'S OFFICE, UH, ASKED US

2:15:36TO EXPLORE SOME MAYBE, UH,

2:15:37VIABLE ALTERNATIVES FOR THE

2:15:39PROJECT.

2:15:39UH, WE PREPARED SOME, UH,

2:15:41SKETCHES WITH OUR CONSULTANT

2:15:42PROVIDED THAT, UH, THERE WAS

2:15:44FEEDBACK TAKEN AND THAT

2:15:46SELECTION OF ALTERNATIVE FIVE

2:15:47WAS THE PREVAILING, UH, CHOICE

2:15:49AND THAT DID ALIGN WITH THE

2:15:51PREVIOUS VISIONING PLAN THAT

2:15:52WAS COMPLETED APPROXIMATELY TEN

2:15:53YEARS EARLIER.

2:15:55THANK YOU.

2:15:56UH, I'M GOING TO SHIFT OVER TO

2:15:59FINANCE.

2:16:01THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT HOW

2:16:02THE ROUNDABOUTS AND THE

2:16:05ALTERNATIVE ROADWAY ARE BEING

2:16:08FINANCED.

2:16:17UM GOOD EVENING.

2:16:20UH.

2:16:20MARK MASON.

2:16:21ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

2:16:22UH, THE ROUNDABOUTS ARE FUNDED

2:16:23.

2:16:24THROUGH IMPACT FEES.

2:16:25AND THE.

2:16:26ALTERNATE FIVE.

2:16:27IS FUNDED THROUGH THE

2:16:28ASSESSMENT.

2:16:30AND HOW HOW WELL ARE THEY BEING

2:16:33PAID?

2:16:33THE QUESTION WAS HOW ARE THEY

2:16:35BEING FINANCED ASSUMING THEY'RE

2:16:36NOT BEING PAID FOR WITH CASH?

2:16:39UH, THE AS FAR AS THE IMPACT

2:16:40FEES ARE CONCERNED.

2:16:42>> IT IS CASH.

2:16:42WE'VE SET ASIDE THE FUNDING FOR

2:16:43BOTH ROUNDABOUTS AT UH.

2:16:44TROPICANA AND KISMET.

2:16:46ON OLD BURN STORE ROAD AND AS

2:16:48FAR AS THE ASSESSMENTS ARE

2:16:50CONCERNED, THOSE WILL BE

2:16:52FINANCED AND WILL BE INCLUDED

2:16:53IN THE OVERALL ASSESSMENT THAT

2:16:55WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

2:16:57OKAY.

2:16:57>> AND SO THAT TIES INTO THE

2:16:59QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED

2:17:00COUNCILWOMAN DUKE.

2:17:00SO THE IMPACT FEES FOR THE

2:17:02WHOLE CITY ARE BEING USED TO

2:17:03FUND THE ROUNDABOUTS.

2:17:04UH MARK ONE ONE UH QUESTION AS

2:17:08IT TIES TO NORTH ONE EAST UH

2:17:11CITY COUNCIL ALSO ALSO

2:17:13AUTHORIZED THE DESIGN AND

2:17:15CONSTRUCTION OF A ROUNDABOUT IN

2:17:16NORTH ONE EAST.

2:17:17ARE WE DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT

2:17:18IN NORTH THE ONE.

2:17:19TWO ROUNDABOUTS.

2:17:21>> I'M SORRY TWO ROUNDABOUTS.

2:17:22UH, YES.

2:17:24THERE ARE.

2:17:24>> TWO ROUNDABOUTS.

2:17:25YES, YES.

2:17:26ARE THOSE ALSO BEING FINANCED

2:17:28IN FUNDED THE SAME WAY IN NORTH

2:17:30ONE AS THEY ARE HERE IN NORTH

2:17:31THREE.

2:17:31CORRECT THROUGH IMPACT FEES.

2:17:33THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

2:17:35UM THERE IS A QUESTION I KNOW

2:17:38AMY IS NOT HERE.

2:17:39I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY CAN

2:17:41DISCUSS UM.

2:17:42THE ASSISTANCE TO RESIDENTS FOR

2:17:48THE PAYMENTS AND WHETHER OR NOT

2:17:50THAT CAN BE EXPANDED.

2:17:51I KNOW WE DO HAVE A HARD TEST

2:17:53CAN IS THERE ANYBODY HERE

2:17:54THAT'S COMFORTABLE SPEAKING ON

2:17:55THE HARDSHIP PROGRAM?

2:18:03CAN YOU REPEAT THAT ONE MORE

2:18:05TIME?

2:18:05YEAH THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT

2:18:07SO WE.

2:18:07>> HAVE WE.

2:18:08HAVE A HARDSHIP PROGRAM AND

2:18:10SOMEBODY WAS ASKING THAT

2:18:12ASSISTANCE THAT GOES TO

2:18:13RESIDENTS WHO QUALIFY.

2:18:15CAN THAT BE EXPANDED.

2:18:18UM SO WE DO FOLLOW HUD

2:18:21GUIDELINES BUT UM OCTOBER 19TH

2:18:23IS THE RESIDENTS INFORMATIONAL

2:18:25MEETING AND WE WILL HAVE

2:18:26DEDICATED PEOPLE THEIR STAFF,

2:18:28THEIR TEAM UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR

2:18:30THOSE PROGRAMS WHERE THEY CAN

2:18:31GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED

2:18:34AND EVEN MAYBE GET A QUICK

2:18:36ESTIMATE OR ANALYSIS DONE TO

2:18:37SEE IF YOU QUALIFY OR NOT AT

2:18:38THAT TIME.

2:18:40OKAY.

2:18:40>> UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION

2:18:46ABOUT UH A BENEFIT WITH UH WHAT

2:18:49BENEFIT IS GOING TO BE WILL I

2:18:51GET A CREDIT IF I SELL MY

2:18:55PROPERTY WITH THE UP ON IT?

2:18:57SO JUST I JUST WANT TO I'LL

2:18:59HANDLE THIS ONE.

2:18:59JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT.

2:19:02THE ASSESSMENTS AND THE BENEFIT

2:19:05BOTH RUN WITH THE LAND UNDER

2:19:06FLORIDA LAW THERE HAS TO BE A

2:19:09BENEFIT TO THE PROPERTY AND THE

2:19:11ASSESSMENT THAT GOES WITH THAT

2:19:13BENEFIT RUNS WITH THE PROPERTY.

2:19:14SO IF YOU HAVE A PROPERTY THAT

2:19:18IS HAS ASSESSMENTS PAID YOU CAN

2:19:20SEE THEM KIND OF ALL THROUGHOUT

2:19:21THE CITY IT'S USED YOU KNOW AS

2:19:23A MARKET WHEN PEOPLE PUT IT UP

2:19:25THEIR ASSESSMENTS FULLY PAID

2:19:26ASSESSED ASSESSMENTS PARTIALLY

2:19:28PAID BUT ANY BENEFIT FOR THAT

2:19:31RUNS WITH THE LAND AND WOULD

2:19:32HAVE TO BE HANDLED DURING THE

2:19:34SALE OF THE PROPERTY.

2:19:35UM MAUREEN, THERE WAS A

2:19:39QUESTION ABOUT UM CAN WE

2:19:41DECLARE A STATE OF EMERGENCY IN

2:19:43ORDER TO GET ACCESS TO STATE

2:19:45FUNDING?

2:19:45MARINE BASE ASSISTANT TO THE

2:19:47CITY MANAGER.

2:19:48THE CITY OF CAPE CORAL CANNOT.

2:19:50ARBITRARILY DECLARE A STATE OF

2:19:52EMERGENCY FOR THE ACCESSES FOR

2:19:54THE PURPOSE OF ACCESSING STATE

2:19:55OR FEDERAL FUNDING.

2:19:57UM THE GOVERNOR IF THE STATE.

2:19:59>> WERE TO DECLARE AN.

2:20:00EMERGENCY THAT COULD ELIMINATE

2:20:03SOME RED TAPE WHICH USUALLY

2:20:04SPEEDS UP PROCUREMENT PROCESSES

2:20:06AND IT MIGHT ALLOW THE GOVERNOR

2:20:07TO ACCESS STATE FUNDING BUT IT

2:20:09DOES NOT ALLOW THE CITY TO

2:20:11ARBITRARILY DECLARE A STATE OF

2:20:13EMERGENCY JUST BECAUSE WE WANT

2:20:14TO ACCESS MORE FUNDING.

2:20:15IF THAT HAD BEEN THE CASE, I

2:20:17SUSPECT WE WOULD HAVE EVALUATED

2:20:19THAT.

2:20:19UM, DURING THE RECORD LOWS OF

2:20:21THE MID HAWTHORN AQUIFER.

2:20:23SO AGAIN WE CANNOT DECLARE A

2:20:25STATE OF EMERGENCY FOR THE

2:20:26PURPOSES OF ACCESSING GRANT

2:20:27FUNDING.

2:20:28THANK YOU.

2:20:31UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION

2:20:33RELATED TO WHY UH, SOME OF THE

2:20:36RESIDENTS DISCUSSED THEY WERE

2:20:38ON THE EAST SIDE OF BURN STORE

2:20:40AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT

2:20:41.

2:20:41WHY THE UP JUMPED ACROSS BURN

2:20:44STORE ROAD TO INCLUDE UM, THE

2:20:47GOLF COURSE.

2:20:48YOU HEARD JEFF, UH, TALK ABOUT

2:20:51THE AQUIFER LEVELS AND HOW HE

2:20:53WENT INTO AN EMERGENCY, UH,

2:20:55WATER SHORTAGE.

2:20:57MARK, IF THE ANSWER IS JUST

2:20:58GOING TO BE TO INCLUDE THE GOLF

2:20:59COURSE.

2:20:59UM, I'M ABOUT TO EXPLAIN THAT.

2:21:01OH, OKAY.

2:21:03SO WHEN WHEN THE EMERGENCY

2:21:05WATER SHORTAGE WENT INTO EFFECT

2:21:07.

2:21:07THE CITY HAD TO LOOK INWARD AND

2:21:10LOOK AT ANY WELLS THAT WE HAD

2:21:13IN OPERATION THAT COULD BE

2:21:15CONTRIBUTING TO THE WATER LOSS

2:21:17OF RESIDENTS INSIDE THEIR HOME.

2:21:19AND THE GOLF COURSE WAS ONE

2:21:21PLACE WHERE WE IDENTIFIED WE

2:21:23WERE RUNNING A BUSINESS OUR

2:21:24GOLF MUNICIPAL GOLF.

2:21:25COURSE THAT IS ON A WELL AND A

2:21:27SEPTIC AND WE DID NOT WANT TO

2:21:31CONTINUE.

2:21:31BEING A CONTRIBUTOR IN THE

2:21:34CAUSE OF AN EMERGENCY WATER

2:21:36SHORTAGE.

2:21:36AND SO WE MADE A DECISION TO

2:21:39INCLUDE THE GOLF TO GET THE

2:21:40GOLF COURSE OFF OF WELL AND

2:21:42SEPTIC IN ORDER TO SAVE YOUR

2:21:45NEIGHBORS AND OUR RESIDENTS THE

2:21:47POSSIBILITY OF HAVING TO DRILL

2:21:49AN $18,000 WELL.

2:21:51SO IT WAS DONE TO BENEFIT THE

2:21:54ENTIRE UM ALL THE RESIDENTS

2:21:56THAT ARE ON WELL AND SEPTIC AND

2:21:58IT WAS THERE WAS SOME OTHER

2:22:01DISCUSSION ABOUT UM.

2:22:04THE MONEY FOR IT.

2:22:05I'M GOING TO GET UM FINANCE UP

2:22:08UH FINANCE CAN YOU DISCUSS HOW

2:22:10THE CITY IS PAYING FOR THE UP

2:22:14UH FOR THE GOLF.

2:22:16COURSE THE EXTENSION?

2:22:23MARK MASON.

2:22:23ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

2:22:24UH.

2:22:25>> THE GOLF.

2:22:26>> COURSE ACTUALLY WILL PAY FOR

2:22:27THE UAP PORTION OF.

2:22:28>> THE GOLF COURSE.

2:22:29UH, SO.

2:22:30WHATEVER REVENUES THAT ARE.

2:22:31>> COMING IN ON THE ON.

2:22:32THE FEES FOR PLAYING GOLF.

2:22:33UH WILL GO TOWARDS.

2:22:35UH THE COST.

2:22:36OF THE UAP BOTH WATER AND

2:22:39SEWER.

2:22:39FOR CORAL OAKS GOLF COURSE.

2:22:41SO THERE WAS ONE COMMENT THAT I

2:22:44THINK IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE

2:22:45THAT THE THE PUBLIC RECORD

2:22:47ACCURATELY REFLECTS THE TRUTH,

2:22:49ONE SPEAKER ACTUALLY SAID THAT

2:22:53$6.5 MILLION IN GRANTS WAS

2:22:54DIVERTED.

2:22:55TO THE GOLF COURSE.

2:22:58THE FIRST QUESTION IS UH, EMAIL

2:23:00CAN YOU ANSWER THAT?

2:23:01THIS IS HAVE WE EVEN RECEIVED

2:23:03THE GRANT THE $6.5 MILLION

2:23:05GRANT?

2:23:06AND THEN ON THE RECORD I NEED

2:23:08TO KNOW, UH, FROM FINANCE WHERE

2:23:11THAT MONEY IS BEING APPLIED TO

2:23:13WHAT UP AREA AND WHAT PORTION

2:23:16OF IT IS IT BEING APPLIED TO.

2:23:18THE CITY HAS NOT RECEIVED THE

2:23:21$6.5 MILLION GRANT FUNDS.

2:23:22THE GRANT WAS AWARDED TO THE

2:23:23CITY, BUT NO FUNDS HAVE BEEN

2:23:25SENT TO THE CITY FOR THAT GRANT

2:23:26AS OF YET.

2:23:28AND AND DO WE KNOW WHAT THE

2:23:31GRANT WAS APPLIED FOR AND WHAT

2:23:33THOSE FUNDS CAN ACTUALLY BE

2:23:34USED FOR AND IN WHAT UP AREA?

2:23:37UH.

2:23:38>> THE.

2:23:386.5 BILLION IS.

2:23:40>> FOR NORTH ONE EAST.

2:23:41UH AND IT'S UH CAN BE APPLIED

2:23:44FOR BOTH.

2:23:44UH THE THE TRANSMISSION LINES

2:23:46AS.

2:23:47WELL AS THE ASSESSMENT.

2:23:48UH OUR GOAL IS TO APPLY AS MUCH

2:23:50AS WE POSSIBLY CAN TO THE.

2:23:51ASSESSMENT PORTION OF IT, BUT.

2:23:53A CERTAIN PORTION WILL HAVE TO

2:23:55BE USED FOR TRANSMISSION.

2:23:56AND SAY AGAIN IN WHAT UP AREA

2:23:59NORTH.

2:23:59ONE EAST.

2:23:59SO NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS

2:24:01ASSESSMENT CORRECT.

2:24:03NOTHING TO DO WITH.

2:24:04THIS ASSESSMENT OKAY.

2:24:09NEXT ONE THE.

2:24:11ONE ADDITIONAL THING IS ONLY

2:24:12FOR IRRIGATION.

2:24:13ONLY SO.

2:24:15ONE WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF THAT

2:24:16TO.

2:24:16STAY UP THERE MARK.

2:24:18UH NO WORDS.

2:24:21IN OUR ASSESSMENT RESOLUTIONS

2:24:24AND FOR A LONG TIME THE CITY

2:24:26HAS PAID FOR GOVERNMENTAL

2:24:28PROPERTY.

2:24:29WHERE DID THOSE REVENUES COME

2:24:31FROM?

2:24:32THOSE REVENUES COME FROM THE

2:24:33GENERAL FUND.

2:24:34SO FOR AS LONG AS WE'VE BEEN

2:24:36DOING UPS IN SOUTHWEST 4.

2:24:39>> TO.

2:24:391 SIX AND SEVEN NORTH TO ALL

2:24:41TAXPAYERS HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR

2:24:43THE GOVERNMENTAL PROPERTY.

2:24:44CORRECT.

2:24:45>> AND NOTHING WE'RE DOING IN

2:24:47NORTH THREE IS DIFFERENT FROM

2:24:48WHAT WE'RE PAYING NOW ON THE

2:24:49ONES THAT ARE STILL BILLING OR

2:24:51THE ONES THAT HAVE CLOSED.

2:24:53>> CORRECT.

2:24:54NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

2:24:55>> THANK YOU.

2:25:01JEFF THIS ONE'S FOR YOU.

2:25:04THERE WAS A QUESTION WHY CAN'T

2:25:07THE WATER THAT COMES TO MY

2:25:11PROPERTY.

2:25:11BE CAPPED.

2:25:13OFF JUST LIKE A VACANT LOT NEXT

2:25:15DOOR TO ME?

2:25:16IF THEY CAN HAVE THEIRS CAPPED

2:25:17AND DON'T NEED IT, WHY CAN'T I

2:25:19DO THE SAME THING IN FRONT OF

2:25:21MY PROPERTY WITH MY HOUSE?

2:25:25UM THE THE WATER IT'S BASICALLY

2:25:28THE QUESTION IS WHY DON'T I

2:25:30HAVE DISCRETION ON WHETHER OR

2:25:32NOT TO TAKE THE SERVICE.

2:25:34WE HAVE UM, A MANDATORY

2:25:37CONNECTION POLICY.

2:25:39IT'S CHAPTER 19 SECTION 2.5 OF

2:25:44THE CITY OF CAPE CORAL CODE OF

2:25:46ORDINANCES.

2:25:47UH, THAT REQUIRES A MANDATORY

2:25:50CONNECTION.

2:25:51IF WATER, SEWER AND IRRIGATION

2:25:55UM, IS IN FRONT OF YOUR HOME.

2:25:57AND IS THERE IS AND IS THAT

2:25:59LOCAL ORDINANCE OR LOCAL CODE?

2:26:02UH, GROUNDED IN STATE STATUTE?

2:26:06UH TITLE 12 CHAPTER 180 UM IS

2:26:14THE ENABLING STATE STATUTE THAT

2:26:18ALLOWS IT'S CALLED

2:26:19MUNICIPALITIES FALLS UNDER THAT

2:26:22IT GIVES UH THE MUNICIPALITIES

2:26:25THE AUTHORITY TO ADOPT UH

2:26:29MANDATORY CONNECTION RESOLUTION

2:26:31OR ORDINANCES THAT REQUIRE

2:26:33WATER, SEWER AND IRRIGATION UH

2:26:35,TO BE CONNECTED.

2:26:37OKAY.

2:26:38>> THANK YOU.

2:26:39THERE WERE TWO QUESTIONS THAT

2:26:41ARE NOT REALLY FOR MY STAFF TO

2:26:43ANSWER, BUT I MEAN THERE ARE

2:26:45MORE QUESTIONS OF COUNCIL BUT I

2:26:47CAN ANSWER THEM.

2:26:48ONE WAS CAN THIS ACTION BE

2:26:51DEFERRED?

2:26:51ABSOLUTELY.

2:26:52THAT'S A THIS IS A A POLICY

2:26:54LEVEL DECISION BEFORE CITY

2:26:56COUNCIL IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO

2:26:57DEFER IT THEY CAN DEFER IT.

2:26:58THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION

2:27:00ABOUT CAN A SUBCOMMITTEE BE

2:27:02CREATED.

2:27:03ABSOLUTELY.

2:27:03THAT'S ALSO UH COUNCIL

2:27:05DISCRETION AND THEY CAN CREATE

2:27:06,AMEND OR ABOLISH COMMITTEES

2:27:09AT THEIR WILL.

2:27:12THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT SALT

2:27:14WATER INTRUSION AND WILL THIS

2:27:16STOP SALT WATER INTRUSION?

2:27:20UH, THAT'S A UH JEFF, DO YOU OR

2:27:22DO YOU HAVE AN ARE YOU

2:27:23COMFORTABLE ANSWERING HOW THIS

2:27:26WOULD RELIEVE, UM, SALT WATER

2:27:30INTRUSION INTO THE AQUIFER THAT

2:27:31THERE ARE CURRENTLY IN?

2:27:34ABSOLUTELY.

2:27:35>> UM, IN CAPE CORAL BASICALLY

2:27:40OUR AQUIFER SYSTEMS LIKE A

2:27:41GIANT LAYER CAKE YOU HAVE

2:27:44CONFINING UNITS UNDERNEATH THE

2:27:47GROUND.

2:27:47IT'S NOT LIKE, UH, A RIVER OF

2:27:51WATER FLOWING.

2:27:52IT'S YOU'VE GOT CLAY UNITS,

2:27:55SAND UNITS THAT SEPARATE THESE

2:27:57DISTINCT AQUIFER UNITS.

2:28:00UM THERE ARE FISSURES IN SOME

2:28:03OF THOSE UNITS WHEN YOU

2:28:06INCREASE THE PRESSURE BY

2:28:08PULLING WATER OUT OF ONE OF

2:28:10THOSE UNITS LET'S SAY MID

2:28:11HAWTHORN WHAT HAPPENS IS THE

2:28:15LOWER UNITS CAUSES THAT WATER

2:28:18TO COME UP VERTICALLY OR

2:28:21LATERALLY AND CONTAMINATE THAT

2:28:23WATER AND MAKE IT MORE SALTY.

2:28:26UM THE CITY THERE ARE AREAS

2:28:30WHERE WE HAVE DRILLED OUR OWN

2:28:32WELLS.

2:28:33CITY WELLS THAT HAVE ARE NO

2:28:35LONGER CAN BE USED BECAUSE OVER

2:28:39TIME THAT WATER WILL MIGRATE UH

2:28:43INTO THAT AQUIFER SYSTEM.

2:28:46FORTUNATELY THE CITY IS A

2:28:49LEADER AND THE REVERSE OSMOSIS

2:28:51AND USING THAT BRACKISH WATER

2:28:53WHICH IS CONSIDERED AN

2:28:54ALTERNATIVE WATER SUPPLY SO IS

2:28:56THE IRRIGATION.

2:28:57AND YOU HEARD MAUREEN TALKING

2:28:59ABOUT THE GRANT THE 6.5 MILLION

2:29:03FOR ONLY FOR IRRIGATION.

2:29:05THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S AN

2:29:06ALTERNATIVE WATER SUPPLY AND

2:29:09THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS

2:29:11WILL AH WANT TO UM PROMOTE THAT

2:29:16UM BECAUSE IT'S IT'S NOT

2:29:19CONSIDERED REALLY UH IT'S

2:29:22REUSING IT'S RECYCLING WHAT WE

2:29:24ALREADY HAVE BECAUSE

2:29:26CONSERVATION IS THE CHEAPEST

2:29:28FORM OF NEW WATER SUPPLY AND

2:29:29IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO BUILD

2:29:31MORE ORO PLANTS.

2:29:33OUR FRESHWATER CANAL SYSTEM,

2:29:36OUR WASTEWATER, OUR WATER

2:29:38RECLAMATION FACILITIES ARE

2:29:39STATE OF THE ART AND THEY ARE

2:29:42IF WE DID NOT HAVE THOSE WE

2:29:45WOULD HAVE TO BUILD MORE ORO

2:29:48PLANTS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF

2:29:49DOLLARS PULL THAT WATER OUT OF

2:29:51THE LOWER HAWTHORNE WHICH IS

2:29:52COMPLETELY SELLING AND UH,

2:29:55PROBABLY WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO

2:29:56AFFORD THE WATER BILL.

2:29:59THANK YOU.

2:29:59>> THANK YOU.

2:30:02FOR FINALLY, UH, DOWN I HAVE

2:30:04THREE LEFT.

2:30:05UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW WHERE

2:30:07WE'RE AT, UH, FOR FINANCE THERE

2:30:10WAS A QUESTION ABOUT I HAVE A

2:30:12TRIPLE LOT THAT IS STRAPPED

2:30:13TOGETHER.

2:30:14WHAT WILL I BE CHARGED FOR THAT

2:30:17TRIPLE LOT AND ANSWERED IN BOTH

2:30:20PIECES REGARDING THE ASSESSMENT

2:30:24AND THIS EFFECT.

2:30:27MIGHT BE EASIER.

2:30:27IF I.

2:30:28>> WAS ONE OF THE SLIDES.

2:30:38I THINK YOU SAID IT REFILLABLE

2:30:41.

2:30:41UM.

2:30:44ALL RIGHT SO THE.

2:30:46IS I APOLOGIZE I PUT UH I PUT

2:30:50TRIPLE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS

2:30:52SIX LOTS.

2:30:53MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S THREE

2:30:55YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED

2:30:56TO SPEAK SIR.

2:30:57BUT IF I'M CORRECT JUST NOD

2:30:58YOUR HEAD.

2:30:59IT'S THREE DOUBLE LOTS, THREE

2:31:00STANDARD LOTS THAT ARE BEING

2:31:01JOINED TOGETHER.

2:31:04MA'AM.

2:31:05>> I GOT YOU.

2:31:05I THINK I'LL HAVE THE ANSWER.

2:31:06I'LL HAVE HER ANSWER IT IN A

2:31:08WAY THAT YOU.

2:31:08IF WE ARE INCORRECT, YOU'LL BE

2:31:09ABLE TO APPLY THE FORMULA TO

2:31:11WHATEVER YOUR SPECIFIC

2:31:12SITUATION IS.

2:31:13YES, SIR.

2:31:15OKAY, SO THE ASSESSMENT

2:31:17CONSISTS OF TWO PARTS.

2:31:18UM SO THE FIRST PART OF THAT IS

2:31:19THE LAND AREA ASSESSMENT WHICH

2:31:21IS BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE.

2:31:22SO DEPENDING ON HOW LARGER LOT

2:31:25IS UM YOU KNOW IF IT'S UM THREE

2:31:3030,000 SQUARE FOOT THAT WOULD

2:31:31FEET THAT WOULD BE THREE STEPS

2:31:33SO THAT 26,009 20 THAT YOU SEE

2:31:36AT THE ESTIMATED TOTAL WOULD BE

2:31:37TIMES THREE THE CFCS AT THE

2:31:40BOTTOM THE 8003 44 YOU WOULD

2:31:43ONLY PAY THAT ONE TIME SO THAT

2:31:44WOULD NOT BE TIMES THREE.

2:31:46SO IN THIS EXAMPLE IT WOULD BE

2:31:48THE 26,009 20 TIMES THREE PLUS

2:31:528003 44.

2:31:53TIMES 3 OR 4 TIMES OR WHATEVER

2:31:55THE EQUIVALENT OF IS YOUR

2:31:56SQUARE FOOTAGE DIVIDED BY THE

2:31:5810,000 EXACTLY.

2:32:00CAN YOU.

2:32:01>> GO TO THE AND THAT WAS FOR

2:32:02THE UH THE EAST CORRECT.

2:32:04THAT'S FOR THE EAST.

2:32:07OKAY I HAVE.

2:32:10THIS MA'AM MA'AM IT'S NOT A TWO

2:32:14WAY IT'S IT'S NOT TWO WAY.

2:32:16WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS ANSWER

2:32:18DONE.

2:32:18IT'S NOT THIS ISN'T A

2:32:20CONVERSATION.

2:32:20I'M TRYING TO ASK BECAUSE I

2:32:22DON'T KNOW.

2:32:22WE HAVE TO.

2:32:24I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO

2:32:26PLEASE REFRAIN.

2:32:28WE'LL GET WE'LL.

2:32:29>> GET THERE.

2:32:30>> MA'AM I ALMOST I HAVE THE

2:32:31SAME QUESTION AND I WILL GET

2:32:32THERE.

2:32:32I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT AT THIS

2:32:33MOMENT.

2:32:34UM BUT WHEN WE ALL TAKE OUR

2:32:36TURNS WHICH I ASSUME WE STILL

2:32:37WILL THAT'S THAT'S ON MY LIST.

2:32:38OKAY.

2:32:38>> LET ME LET ME LET ME I GOT

2:32:41TWO MORE LEFT AND THEN THERE

2:32:42COULD BE MORE COUNCILS TO HELP

2:32:43FOLLOW UP.

2:32:44AND JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW ON

2:32:45IT'S OCTOBER 19TH OCTOBER 19TH

2:32:50WHEN YOU ALL COME TO THE PUBLIC

2:32:52THE THE ASSUMING THIS DOESN'T

2:32:54GET DEFERRED TONIGHT.

2:32:55SO LET ME SAY THAT WHEN YOU ALL

2:32:57COME MY STAFF WILL BE THERE

2:33:00WITH THE ASSESSMENT FOLKS WITH

2:33:02THE HARDSHIP FOLKS WITH THE

2:33:04PUBLIC WORKS, THE UTILITY FOLKS

2:33:06AND THEY'LL BE ALL THE

2:33:08CONTRACTORS THAT HAVE THE

2:33:09DIFFERENT AREAS YOU'LL.

2:33:10BE ABLE TO MEET WITH EVERYBODY

2:33:11TO GO OVER WHATEVER ELEMENT OF

2:33:13THE PROJECT YOU WOULD LIKE

2:33:15REGARDING WHERE'S THE NEAREST

2:33:17FIRE HYDRANT?

2:33:17WHERE'S THE NEAREST, YOU KNOW,

2:33:19VALVE BOX?

2:33:20UH WHAT WHAT ARE THE THE TWO

2:33:23IEPS FOR IEPS ALL YOUR PROPERTY

2:33:25UH, ASSESSMENTS.

2:33:27UH, WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE THERE TO

2:33:28ANSWER THAT.

2:33:29UM, WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN DOING

2:33:31THIS FOR OVER TWO DECADES.

2:33:32SO I MEAN WE'VE WE'VE GOT IT

2:33:34DOWN TO A PRETTY GOOD SCIENCE

2:33:35OF TRYING TO HELP AND

2:33:37UNDERSTAND THE QUESTIONS THAT

2:33:38PEOPLE HAVE RELATED TO THEIR

2:33:41THEIR SPECIFIC PROPERTY THAT.

2:33:43>> WE'RE.

2:33:43DOING NOW.

2:33:44UM, ALL RIGHT.

2:33:44THE NEXT NEXT ONE.

2:33:46IS THERE WAS A QUESTION RELATED

2:33:48TO $142 MILLION IN CIVIC

2:33:53INVESTMENTS.

2:33:53SO TREAT TREATMENT AND

2:33:54TRANSMISSION AND WHERE THAT'S

2:33:56GOING TO AND WHY THAT MAY HAVE

2:33:58BEEN DIFFERENT THAN THE BUDGET

2:33:59NUMBER THIS YEAR.

2:34:02UM I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT ONE.

2:34:04>> MORE TIME.

2:34:05WHAT WAS THE QUESTION.

2:34:06THE $142 MILLION IN CIVIC UH,

2:34:12IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING

2:34:13FUNDED AND WHY THAT MAY

2:34:13DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S IN THE

2:34:15BUDGET AND WHAT YEAR IT

2:34:16ACTUALLY WHAT'S IT GOING TO?

2:34:19THERE YOU GO.

2:34:20I THINK THIS IS THE SLIDE THIS

2:34:22MARK MASON ASSISTANT CITY

2:34:23MANAGER I THINK THIS IS THE

2:34:24SLIDE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

2:34:25YOU GOT $142.5 MILLION CAPITAL

2:34:28FACILITY EXPANSION CHARGE.

2:34:29THESE ARE THE FUNDING SOURCES.

2:34:31ASSOCIATED WITH.

2:34:32UH NORTH THREE.

2:34:33SO FOR 142.5 MILLION THAT IS

2:34:36FOR.

2:34:36>> THE TRANSMISSION PORTION.

2:34:38OF THE.

2:34:39THE PROJECT.

2:34:40TRANSMISSION IS THIS.

2:34:41VERY LARGE LINES THEY.

2:34:43AND THEN THEY FEED INTO THE

2:34:44SMALLER LINES THAT FEED THE

2:34:46NEIGHBORHOODS.

2:34:46UH WHICH.

2:34:47>> ARE.

2:34:47CALLED THE LINE EXTENSION

2:34:48ASSESSMENT.

2:34:49SO YEAH BASICALLY TWO

2:34:50DIFFERENT.

2:34:51COSTS ASSOCIATED.

2:34:52>> WITH THE OVERALL PROJECT.

2:34:53AND HOW THEY'RE FUNDED OF THAT

2:34:57$142.5 MILLION.

2:34:58$43 MILLION OF IT IS FOR.

2:35:00IS BEING PAID FOR.

2:35:01FROM THE.

2:35:03UH THE.

2:35:04CPK ASSESSMENTS THEMSELVES.

2:35:06THE OTHER $99 MILLION WILL

2:35:08COME.

2:35:09>> FROM WATER AND SEWER RATES

2:35:10FOR EVERYBODY.

2:35:10>> ELSE IN THE CITY TO SUPPORT

2:35:12THE FUNDING AS WELL AS.

2:35:13THE PROPERTY.

2:35:14OWNERS WHEN THEY CONNECT, UH,

2:35:16TO THE SYSTEM IN NORTH THREE.

2:35:18SO HOPEFULLY THAT SHOULD HELP.

2:35:21VERY WELL, THAT.

2:35:22LAST QUESTION, UH, THERE WAS A

2:35:24QUESTION ABOUT WHY WE HAVE TO

2:35:27APPROVE.

2:35:27THE ASSESSMENT TONIGHT AND ON

2:35:31NOVEMBER 2ND.

2:35:32SO IF WE DO NOT APPROVE TONIGHT

2:35:35OR ON THE SECOND WHAT HAPPENED?

2:35:37WHERE ARE WE AT WHAT?

2:35:44SO HAVE THE ENGINEER GUYS AND

2:35:45THEN THE FINANCE GUY.

2:35:47UH, SO, UH, MARK MASON CITY

2:35:50MANAGER SO THE THE REASON WHY

2:35:53WE'RE DOING THIS TONIGHT IS.

2:35:55PRIMARILY FROM A.

2:35:56>> WE'RE BACKING.

2:35:57>> UP FROM A POINT IN TIME OF

2:35:59WHEN.

2:35:59>> WE NEED TO, UH.

2:36:01ISSUE THE.

2:36:02>> NOTICE TO PROCEED.

2:36:03SO WHEN WE GO OUT.

2:36:04>> FOR BIDS UH.

2:36:05>> AND.

2:36:06WE STARTED THE BIDDING PROCESS

2:36:07FOR THIS PROJECT.

2:36:08>> IN MAY.

2:36:09THERE'S A THERE'S A LIFE TO THE

2:36:11BIDS AND AFTER A CERTAIN.

2:36:13>> PERIOD OF TIME, UH, THE.

2:36:15COST HAS CHANGED SUFFICIENTLY

2:36:17ENOUGH FOR THE BIDS TO NO

2:36:18LONGER BE ACTIVE.

2:36:20>> SO FOR MY NOTICE.

2:36:21>> TO PROCEED.

2:36:21STANDPOINT STARTING THIS.

2:36:23>> IN EARLY LATE.

2:36:24MAY EARLY.

2:36:25JUNE, WE.

2:36:26NEED TO BE.

2:36:26ABLE TO ISSUE THE NOTICE TO.

2:36:28PROCEED FOR ALL THE.

2:36:29BIDS TO BE UH VALID UH BY

2:36:32DECEMBER 1ST.

2:36:33SO BACKING.

2:36:34UP FROM.

2:36:35>> DECEMBER 1ST AND THE FIRST

2:36:36TIME THAT.

2:36:36OR OR IN DECEMBER NOT.

2:36:38DECEMBER 1ST BUT IN DECEMBER.

2:36:40SO BACKING UP FROM THAT DATE

2:36:42BACK TO THIS POINT THIS IS THE

2:36:45THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE POINT

2:36:47IN TIME WHEN THE DECISION IS

2:36:48MADE WHETHER WE.

2:36:50>> DO THE PROJECT.

2:36:50>> OR NOT AND THAT'S THE

2:36:52ASSESSMENTS.

2:36:52IF THE ASSESSMENTS.

2:36:53DON'T PASS THERE'S NO PROJECT.

2:36:55AND SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE

2:36:56WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE TIMING

2:36:58HERE.

2:36:59UH AND AS FAR AS YOU KNOW.

2:37:01,WHETHER WE'VE.

2:37:01RECEIVED ALL THE BIDS OR NOT IS

2:37:03NOT NECESSARILY MATERIAL TO THE

2:37:05ACTUAL ASSESSMENT.

2:37:06THIS IS THE FINAL ASSESSMENT

2:37:08WHEN WE WHEN THE PROJECT IS IS

2:37:10DONE WILL BE THE FINAL AMOUNT

2:37:12ASSOCIATED WITH THE ASSESSMENT

2:37:13.

2:37:13SO UH SO.

2:37:15THAT'S PRIMARILY THE REASON

2:37:17WE'RE.

2:37:17WHY WE'RE WHERE WE ARE TODAY

2:37:19AND THE TIMING OF WHEN WE

2:37:20NEEDED TO BE.

2:37:21ABLE TO DO THESE.

2:37:22UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS.

2:37:25THANK YOU COUNCIL THAT'S ALL

2:37:27THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE UH,

2:37:29RECORDED.

2:37:29UM THERE WERE OBVIOUSLY MORE

2:37:31SPEAKERS IN THAT BUT MANY OF

2:37:33THEM HAD STATEMENTS NOT

2:37:34NECESSARILY QUESTIONS TO

2:37:35ANSWER.

2:37:37OKAY.

2:37:37>> THANK YOU.

2:37:40ALL RIGHT.

2:37:40WELL WE'LL WE'LL MOVE ON TO UH

2:37:43COUNCIL UH FEEDBACK UH FIRST

2:37:48LIKE UH COUNCIL MEMBER LAYMAN.

2:37:50YEAH THANK YOU MR..

2:37:51>> MAYOR PRO TEM.

2:37:53UH QUESTION UH, MR. CITY.

2:37:57MANAGER WHEN SOUTHWEST.

2:37:59WAS DONE.

2:38:02DID THE.

2:38:02SOUTHWEST ASSESSMENTS INCLUDES

2:38:05PAYMENT FOR ROADS CURBING AND

2:38:08WHATNOT.

2:38:10IT INCLUDED THE COST OF ROADS.

2:38:12IN FACT ANYBODY THAT'S PAYING

2:38:14THEIR ASSESSMENT NOW IS STILL

2:38:15PAYING FOR THEIR ROADS.

2:38:17THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT IS BEING

2:38:20DISCUSSED THE CURBING IS

2:38:23SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ADDED

2:38:24GOING NORTH UPON ALLEN ROAD AND

2:38:26THAT IS TO PUT IN SO THAT WE

2:38:28CAN DO ACCESS MANAGEMENT, PUT

2:38:30IN TURN LANES AND WE CAN STOP

2:38:32PEOPLE FROM PARKING IN THE

2:38:34MEDIANS, UM DAMAGING

2:38:36INFRASTRUCTURE A WHOLE BUNCH OF

2:38:38UH REASONS WE'VE ADDED THAT BUT

2:38:40THAT IS NOT BEING PAID FOR.

2:38:43BY THE RESIDENTS.

2:38:44THE CURBING THAT WE HAVE UH,

2:38:46MARKED THE CURBING THAT WE DID

2:38:48IN NORTH ONE IS BEING PAID FOR

2:38:51BY TRANSPORTATION COSTS.

2:38:53ALL RIGHT.

2:38:54WELL THEY'RE NODDING YES.

2:38:56IT'S NOT BEING FUNDED BY THE

2:38:58RESIDENTS OKAY.

2:39:00AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS UH,

2:39:05WHEN CITY WATER AND SEWER AND

2:39:08IRRIGATION CAME THROUGH IN THE

2:39:10SOUTHWEST WERE LOT IF LOTS WERE

2:39:13STRAPPED TOGETHER WITH ONE

2:39:15ADDRESS WERE THEY WAS THE

2:39:20SOUTHWEST.

2:39:22INDIVIDUALLY CHARGED PER 10,000

2:39:24SQUARE FOOT.

2:39:25>> A LOT YES.

2:39:25WE'VE BEEN USING THE EAP THE

2:39:27EQUIVALENT PARCEL.

2:39:30UH.

2:39:30>> UH MARK MASON ASSISTANT CITY

2:39:35MANAGER UH FROM SOUTHWEST ONE.

2:39:36THROUGH SOUTHWEST.

2:39:38FIVE AND.

2:39:39SOME SMALLER.

2:39:40ASSESSMENT AREAS IN BETWEEN.

2:39:42UH WE.

2:39:42USED 5000 SQUARE FOOT.

2:39:45AND SO IT WAS 5000 SQUARE FOOT

2:39:47MULTIPLIED BY HOW HOWEVER MANY.

2:39:49IS THAT THE TIME YOU NEEDED TO

2:39:50HAVE IT AT.

2:39:51MINIMUM 2002 5000 SQUARE FOOT

2:39:54LOTS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD HERE.

2:39:56IN SOUTHWEST SIX SEVEN THEY

2:39:58CHANGED TO THE EPI METHOD OF

2:40:0110,000FT2 CORRECT?

2:40:02YEAH BUT MY MY ANSWER WAS IT'S

2:40:04GOING TO BE WE'VE BEEN ON

2:40:05SQUARE FOOT METHODOLOGY.

2:40:06OH SINCE YEAH SINCE LONG TIME

2:40:09YEAH.

2:40:09WITH THE THE.

2:40:12EPA'S UM LARGE PARCEL DISCOUNT

2:40:14THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF

2:40:16VARIATIONS RELATED TO IT BUT

2:40:18WE'VE BEEN ON SQUARE FOOT ADMIT

2:40:19SQUARE FOOT METHODOLOGY FOR OUR

2:40:21UTILITY ASSESSMENTS.

2:40:22AND IN YOUR AREA IN THE

2:40:24SOUTHWEST YES.

2:40:25SQUARE FOOTAGE.

2:40:26OKAY, I, I ASK JUST BECAUSE I

2:40:28WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT

2:40:30WHAT.

2:40:30WE DID.

2:40:31IN THE SOUTHWEST IT'S NOT ANY

2:40:34DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING

2:40:36NOW IN THE NORTHWEST THAT

2:40:39THERE'S AN EQUALITY ACROSS THE

2:40:41BOARD AND NO ONE'S BEING NO

2:40:44ONE'S BEING UNFAIRLY TREATED.

2:40:46NO THANK YOU.

2:40:51THIS IS ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

2:40:52MA'AM.

2:40:53THIS IS ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS.

2:40:54IT WAS.

2:40:56MA'AM PLEASE.

2:40:58>> ANSWER IT WAS THAT ANSWER.

2:41:04ALL ALL RIGHT.

2:41:08I'M GOING TO ASK ONE MORE TIME

2:41:09.

2:41:11THIS IS NOT A CONVERSATIONAL

2:41:13PART OF THE MEETING.

2:41:15WE'RE ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS

2:41:18THAT WERE ASKED.

2:41:18THERE ARE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS

2:41:20THAT CAN GET CLARIFICATION ON

2:41:22ANY ISSUES THAT AREN'T CLEAR AT

2:41:23THIS POINT.

2:41:24IT'S THIS IS NOT A TWO WAY

2:41:26CONVERSATION.

2:41:27THANK YOU.

2:41:27>> ALL RIGHT.

2:41:29AND SIR IF WE COULD HAVE YOU

2:41:31TAKE A SEAT PLEASE.

2:41:33IF YOU COULD HAVE A SEAT

2:41:35PLEASE.

2:41:40COUNCILMEMBER LANE.

2:41:41YEAH UM.

2:41:43I HAVE.

2:41:43I CAN I CAN I FOLLOW UP TO JUST

2:41:46GET THE ROADS OUT OF THE WAY?

2:41:47LET'S JUST GET IT OUT OF THE

2:41:48WAY.

2:41:49RIGHT.

2:41:49YOU YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT ROADS

2:41:50AND IF IF THE PEOPLE IN.

2:41:52>> SOUTH ASSESSMENT.

2:41:53>> IN THE SOUTHWEST SO.

2:41:54ROADS WERE.

2:41:55>> INCLUDED.

2:41:55ARE OUR LOCAL ROADS ARE PAVING

2:41:58IN THE LOCAL ROADS ONLY LAST 18

2:42:01TO 20 YEARS SO AND THERE WERE

2:42:04STATEMENTS NOT A QUESTION ABOUT

2:42:06THE ROADS HAVEN'T BEEN

2:42:08MAINTAINED AND THE ORIGINAL

2:42:10ROAD IS THERE.

2:42:10THOSE ARE STATEMENTS I CAN TELL

2:42:12YOU WITHOUT A DOUBT.

2:42:13THERE ARE NO ROADS IN CAPE

2:42:15CORAL THAT ARE ORIGINAL TO THE

2:42:1760S.

2:42:17NO NO IT JUST DOESN'T IT

2:42:20DOESN'T WORK.

2:42:20NO NO NO I UNDERSTAND THAT.

2:42:22I GUESS WHAT I WAS ASKING.

2:42:25WAS WHEN.

2:42:26THE ASSESSMENTS WERE SET UP IN

2:42:29THE SOUTHWEST WHEN CITY WATER,

2:42:32SEWER AND IRRIGATION CAME

2:42:33THROUGH ON THE SOUTHWEST DID

2:42:35OUR ASSESSMENTS INCLUDE.

2:42:38THE ROADS?

2:42:39YES.

2:42:40>> THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW.

2:42:43THAT'S EQUALITY ACROSS THE

2:42:45BOARD.

2:42:47THANK YOU.

2:42:47THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

2:42:50THANK YOU.

2:42:50>> COUNCIL MEMBER LASTER.

2:42:52THANK YOU, MR..

2:42:53>> MAYOR PRO TEM UM, SO I HAVE

2:42:55A COUPLE OF THINGS.

2:42:56UH.

2:42:57>> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT

2:42:58.

2:42:58WE ARE REQUIRED BY STATE.

2:43:00STATUTE WHICH I BELIEVE WAS

2:43:01PASSED.

2:43:01>> IN THE EARLY 90S, UM.

2:43:04>> THAT.

2:43:04WE HAD.

2:43:04TO DO OUR.

2:43:05SEPTIC TO SEWER CONVERSION.

2:43:07UM, AND THAT WAS DUE.

2:43:09TO EXCESSIVE SEEPAGE.

2:43:10>> THAT WAS COMING INTO OUR

2:43:11WATER.

2:43:12SO I ALWAYS TRY TO GIVE.

2:43:13THAT FACT WHEN INDIVIDUALS ASK

2:43:15ME I KNOW.

2:43:16YOU KNOW PERSONALLY.

2:43:17WHEN I LOOK TO BUY A HOME I

2:43:19MOVED HERE IN 2008.

2:43:20I LOOKED IN THE NORTHEAST

2:43:22ACTUALLY IN COUNCILMEMBER

2:43:23CREEKS DISTRICT AND MAN THAT

2:43:25WAS A CUTE HOUSE.

2:43:26>> AND.

2:43:26IT WAS SO INEXPENSIVE.

2:43:27BUT WHEN THE REALTOR TOLD ME

2:43:29THAT I WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE

2:43:30TO PAY THIS MONEY AND THERE WAS

2:43:31NO SET TIMELINE, I GOT SCARED.

2:43:33I WAS A SINGLE MOM AND IN MY

2:43:36EARLY 40S AND I JUST PANICKED.

2:43:37SO I BOUGHT.

2:43:38>> A HOUSE.

2:43:38THAT WAS STILL AFFORDABLE BUT

2:43:40IN THE SOUTHWEST UM.

2:43:42EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT UH,

2:43:44THE GRANTS AND YES, THE GRANTS

2:43:46WILL COME IN.

2:43:47YES, WE'VE HAD THEM AWARDED AND

2:43:49YOU KNOW, GRANTS AS A PART OF

2:43:51THIS IN LOWERING THIS COST.

2:43:52BUT IT'S.

2:43:53>> ALSO TIMING.

2:43:54SO WITH THAT SAID MR. CITY

2:43:56MANAGER.

2:43:57IF WE WERE TO.

2:43:58PUSH THIS.

2:43:58>> OFF.

2:43:59>> KICK THAT.

2:44:00>> PROVERBIAL CAN DOWN THE

2:44:01ROAD.

2:44:01AND HAVE.

2:44:02>> TO.

2:44:03GO THROUGH.

2:44:03>> THIS WHOLE.

2:44:04PROCESS AGAIN OF GETTING THE

2:44:05BIDS, SECURING MORE BIDS, UM,

2:44:07YOU KNOW, PUTTING TOGETHER.

2:44:09UH RESIDENT COMMITTEE ALL OF

2:44:11THOSE THINGS.

2:44:12HOW LONG WOULD THAT.

2:44:14TAKE IF WE.

2:44:14>> WERE.

2:44:15TO TO PUSH THIS.

2:44:16OFF AND DO THIS.

2:44:17VOTE LATER.

2:44:18AFTER THE ELECTION?

2:44:20IT WOULD BE THE SAME PROCESS IF

2:44:22WE SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF

2:44:23WE STARTED IN MAY AND WE WANT

2:44:25TO AWARD IN DECEMBER IT'S SEVEN

2:44:28MONTHS FROM START TO FINISH.

2:44:30OKAY AND THEN AND THEN.

2:44:32MAYBE AND THEN DEPENDING ON HOW

2:44:34LONG YOU WANT TO HAVE A

2:44:35COMMITTEE IN THERE TO DO

2:44:36WHATEVER YOU WANT TO HAVE

2:44:38ANALYZE THAT.

2:44:38IT'S FROM WHENEVER THEY'RE DONE

2:44:40IT'S SEVEN MONTHS AFTER THAT.

2:44:42SO WE'RE.

2:44:42LOOKING AT.

2:44:43>> ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF.

2:44:44THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.

2:44:45AND AND OKAY.

2:44:47OKAY I.

2:44:48>> HEAR YOU.

2:44:48>> UM DOCTOR.

2:44:49DEE YOU.

2:44:50>> WERE ON COUNCIL WHEN THIS UH

2:44:52.

2:44:52UP WAS.

2:44:53PAUSED FOR FOUR.

2:44:53YEARS AND A LOT OF THINGS IN

2:44:55THE CITY WERE PAUSED.

2:44:56WAS IT.

2:44:57>> YOUR EXPERIENCE.

2:44:58WHEN YOU GOT OFF COUNCIL AND

2:44:59WERE.

2:45:00WERE UH, YOU KNOW, WATCHING THE

2:45:02NEWS?

2:45:02WAS IT YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT

2:45:03THOSE.

2:45:04COSTS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION WENT

2:45:06UP OR DOWN?

2:45:09REMEMBER WE JUST WE WERE IN A

2:45:10DOWNTURN ECONOMY.

2:45:12.

2:45:12>> MAY MAY I UM, EXPAND ON A

2:45:15SHORT ANSWER?

2:45:16MAYOR PRO TEM IT'S NOT MY TURN

2:45:19.

2:45:19THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED.

2:45:20>> I THANK YOU.

2:45:22BUT THE SHORT ANSWER.

2:45:25AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE IT

2:45:27OUT AND ANSWERING THE QUESTION

2:45:30BUT THOSE OF YOU ALL WHO WERE

2:45:32HERE BACK IN 2007 WHEN I WAS

2:45:34FIRST HERE AND SOMEONE MADE A

2:45:35MENTION OF HOW I READ THE ROOM.

2:45:38IF YOU ALL REMEMBER WE WERE

2:45:40DOWN AT THE CHURCH THERE WERE

2:45:42THOUSAND PLUS PEOPLE TAKE THIS

2:45:45NUMBER AND MULTIPLY IT

2:45:46EVERYTHING EVERYTHING.

2:45:48I WAS WRITING IT DOWN THAT WAS

2:45:49SAID TODAY WAS SAID THEN THE

2:45:54REALITY OF THIS CONVERSATION,

2:45:55LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS THE

2:45:57FACT THAT OUTSIDE OF THE

2:45:59QUESTION IT COMES DOWN TO COST

2:46:02AND THE ONLY THING THAT HIT ME

2:46:04IS BECAUSE I WAS TEACHING YOUR

2:46:06CHILDREN THERE THEY WERE IN

2:46:07HIGH SCHOOL.

2:46:07SO IN THIS AREA RIGHT NOW WHEN

2:46:09SOMEONE SAYS WE DON'T CARE, MY

2:46:11HIGH SCHOOL IS NOW PURCHASING A

2:46:13HOME AND THEY'RE LITERALLY

2:46:15CRYING ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING.

2:46:17SO AT THE END OF THE DAY ALL OF

2:46:19THIS IT COMES DOWN TO COST.

2:46:23THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY

2:46:24TALKING ABOUT.

2:46:24IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF

2:46:25METHODOLOGY.

2:46:26WE'VE BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD AND I

2:46:29WAS SITTING HERE TO ANSWER YOUR

2:46:31QUESTION WHEN WE STARTED SAYING

2:46:33THAT READING THE ROOM I WAS

2:46:35THERE AND THEY CALLED ME

2:46:37EVERYTHING EVERYTHING BUT IT

2:46:39HAPPENED.

2:46:39SO WE STOPPED IN 2008.

2:46:43THEY CHANGED COUNCIL BUT

2:46:48EVENTUALLY IT HAS TO COME BACK

2:46:49BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COME AND

2:46:532013 WHEN THEY CAME THE COST

2:46:55WENT UP AND WHAT IS JUST WHAT

2:46:57DID THAT WHAT WAS.

2:46:58JUST DISHEARTENED ME WAS THE

2:47:00FACT THAT THE SAME PEOPLE IN

2:47:032008 THAT SAID STOP IT GOD THAT

2:47:04WAS.

2:47:04TO TOO MUCH.

2:47:07AS IT COST WITH ONLY COSTS WENT

2:47:09UP HIGHER AND THEN THEY WERE

2:47:11YELLING AT ME AGAIN THIS IS

2:47:14GOING TO HAPPEN.

2:47:15THIS HURTS.

2:47:16AND IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT

2:47:18THEY'RE WORKING AND WE'RE

2:47:19WORKING TO FIND FOR MY CHILDREN

2:47:21AND YOUR GRANDCHILDREN TO GET

2:47:22THIS COST DOWN YOU SAID THE

2:47:24MISTAKE.

2:47:26BUT IF THE.

2:47:27>> COUNCIL SO CHOOSES TO PULL

2:47:28BACK FIVE BUT UNDERSTAND WHEN

2:47:30IT COMES BACK TO IN THIS

2:47:32CLIMATE.

2:47:32RIGHT NOW YOU SEE ANYTHING

2:47:34GOING DOWN THE NEXT.

2:47:35TWO YEARS.

2:47:36YOU THINK IS HIGH NOW I'M SURE

2:47:39YOU DO.

2:47:39SO IF YOU TRACKED ALL THE DATA,

2:47:43IF YOU TRACK ALL THE DATA I

2:47:45DON'T GET INTO FEELINGS.

2:47:47IT IS UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT WILL

2:47:49NOT HAPPEN.

2:47:51THAT'S BASED ON DATA NOT

2:47:53FEELINGS.

2:47:54SO I HEAR YOU I UNDERSTAND I

2:47:58DON'T KNOW.

2:47:58>> WHAT THE COUNCIL.

2:47:59>> IS GOING TO VOTE BUT WE ARE

2:48:02WORKING AS HARD AS WE CAN TO

2:48:03KEEP THIS MOVING SO WE JUST

2:48:04DON'T DO THE SAME THING WE DID

2:48:06HERE FROM 2008 TO 13.

2:48:08SO I APOLOGIZE THOUGH THE LONG

2:48:10ANSWER TO A SHORT QUESTION YES

2:48:12THEY WENT UP.

2:48:13THANK YOU.

2:48:13>> I JUST WANTED TO HAVE YOU

2:48:15SAY THAT FOR REFERENCE AND

2:48:16THAT'S MY FEAR.

2:48:17MY FEAR IS.

2:48:18WE PUT THIS OFF 14 MONTHS, 18

2:48:20MONTHS, TWO YEARS AND THEN YOU

2:48:22ALL ARE BACK.

2:48:22HERE AND CONCERNING CONCERNED

2:48:25ABOUT CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST

2:48:27.

2:48:27>> I WILL WAIT.

2:48:28AND HEAR WHAT MY OTHER

2:48:31TEAMMATES SAY BUT THAT IS MY

2:48:33FEAR.

2:48:33BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS COST

2:48:35TO GO.

2:48:35UP IF WE CAN LOCK THESE PRICES

2:48:37IN AS I BELIEVE MR. CORBETT

2:48:39SAID THE HIGHEST RATED AND NOT

2:48:41TO EXCEED MEANING ALL IT'S

2:48:42GOING TO DO IS GO TO ONE OF THE

2:48:44LOWER BIDS.

2:48:44I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

2:48:45ARE THERE.

2:48:46OTHER SOLUTIONS?

2:48:48ABSOLUTELY.

2:48:48>> WE'VE HEARD MANY INNOVATIVE

2:48:49IDEAS FROM MANY OF OUR

2:48:51CANDIDATES.

2:48:52RIGHT.

2:48:52>> BUT WHERE.

2:48:53I STRUGGLE.

2:48:54IS I DON'T HAVE DATA TO SHOW.

2:48:56YOU THAT IT WILL BE THAT IT

2:48:59WILL BE A COST TO.

2:49:01REDUCE MY TERM.

2:49:02HOLD ON.

2:49:02>> IT'S MY TURN AND THEN.

2:49:04SAM, PLEASE.

2:49:05>> SO MY CONCERN MY CONCERN IS

2:49:06IS THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DATA

2:49:09THAT WILL SHOW US THAT WE CAN

2:49:11TAKE PART OF THIS IN HOUSE.

2:49:12I HAVEN'T SEEN HOW MUCH THAT.

2:49:14>> WILL.

2:49:14COST US WITH.

2:49:15STAFF OR EQUIPMENT AND.

2:49:16UNTIL I HAVE.

2:49:17>> THAT INFORMATION I CANNOT

2:49:19GIVE YOU AN EDUCATED ANSWER

2:49:20BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA.

2:49:22SO UM I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT

2:49:25THERE.

2:49:25AND THEN THE.

2:49:26LAST TWO.

2:49:27>> THINGS I WANTED TO DO WAS

2:49:28CLARIFY TWO.

2:49:29>> OF THE.

2:49:29SPEAKERS THE WOMAN THAT GOT MAD

2:49:31AT ME FOR SMILING I ALWAYS

2:49:33SMILE, I LIKE TO SMILE.

2:49:35IT MAKES ME HAPPY.

2:49:35I DON'T SMILE BECAUSE SOMEONE

2:49:37HAS AN ACCENT.

2:49:38I SPEAK DUTCH FLUENTLY.

2:49:39IF YOU WANT TO GET A GOOD LAUGH

2:49:41HEAR ME HAVE A CONVERSATION IN

2:49:42IT.

2:49:43IT'S A VERY.

2:49:43GUTTURAL LANGUAGE AND IT'S NOT

2:49:45ATTRACTIVE.

2:49:46UM BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY

2:49:48THAT AND I'M NOT SMILING TO

2:49:50MAKE FUN OF ANYONE YOU KNOW

2:49:51THOUGHTS GO THROUGH MY HEAD

2:49:52LIKE OH NOW I KNOW WHO THIS IS

2:49:54OR BLESS.

2:49:55>> THEIR HEART.

2:49:56>> OR.

2:49:56WOW, I WISH THEY'D TALKED.

2:49:57>> TO ME BECAUSE I'VE GIVEN IN

2:49:58MY NUMBER 57 TIMES BUT THEY

2:50:00DON'T AND I TRY TO SMILE SO

2:50:02PLEASE KNOW THAT DON'T MISTAKE

2:50:04THAT FOR ME.

2:50:04MAKING FUN OF ANYONE.

2:50:06UM THE OTHER WOMAN THAT TALKED

2:50:08ABOUT.

2:50:08THE UP.

2:50:10BEING MY FAULT BECAUSE I'VE

2:50:11BEEN HERE TEN YEARS.

2:50:12WELL THAT'S.

2:50:13>> NOT ACCURATE EITHER.

2:50:14THE ONLY TIME I EVER VOTED ON A

2:50:15UP WAS WHEN WE CHANGED THE, UH,

2:50:19PRIORITIZATION.

2:50:19TO COUNCIL MEMBER.

2:50:20CRITIQUES AREA.

2:50:21BECAUSE OF THE AQUIFER ISSUES

2:50:23THAT WE HAD.

2:50:24AND THAT WAS IN 2025.

2:50:26>> SO I JUST WANTED TO.

2:50:27CLARIFY THAT THIS WILL ACTUALLY

2:50:29BE MY FIRST TIME VOTING ON

2:50:30THESE BIDS, VOTING ON THIS

2:50:31COST, VOTING ON ANYTHING.

2:50:33SO I.

2:50:34JUST I.

2:50:35JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY I'M

2:50:36GOING TO WAIT IN HERE WHAT MY

2:50:38TEAMMATES HAVE TO SAY AND UH

2:50:40THEN I'LL WEIGH IN.

2:50:41THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM.

2:50:45THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER LONG

2:50:46.

2:50:46IN FRONT OF US.

2:50:50BECAUSE NO.

2:50:52FIREWORKS.

2:50:54REALLY?

2:50:54NO.

2:50:55>> Y'ALL ARE LEAVING.

2:50:57AS OF NOVEMBER 3RD.

2:50:58ENOUGH.

2:50:59>> NONE OF YOU WILL BE HERE,

2:51:01SIR.

2:51:01>> I'M SORRY IF YOU COULD HAVE

2:51:03IT.

2:51:03IF YOU COULD HAVE A SEAT,

2:51:04PLEASE.

2:51:04EVERYONE IS SOMEBODY THAT'S

2:51:06GOING THREE TIME BECAUSE.

2:51:08THE PULLING OVER.

2:51:10FOR OKAY.

2:51:11SURE SIR.

2:51:12I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO

2:51:13HAVE A SEAT AND BE QUIET.

2:51:14ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE

2:51:15THE ROOM?

2:51:16YOU'RE REALLY.

2:51:17WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOU

2:51:20GIVING UP.

2:51:22YOU MUST.

2:51:23SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A

2:51:25SEAT?

2:51:25LOOK, EVERYBODY TALK ABOUT

2:51:28WATER.

2:51:30OKAY?

2:51:32OKAY.

2:51:34KNOW COULD WE COULD WE GET THE

2:51:37DOOR CLOSED?

2:51:38THANK YOU.

2:51:39I'M SORRY.

2:51:40COUNCIL MEMBER LONG GO.

2:51:41AHEAD SIR.

2:51:41THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM.

2:51:42UM, I GUESS I'LL START OUT AN I

2:51:45AND I WOULD HAVE HOPED UM.

2:51:46AND WE CAN'T GET EVERYTHING

2:51:48RIGHT, BUT I WOULD HAVE HOPED

2:51:49THAT WE KIND OF STARTED OUT

2:51:50EXPLAINING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT

2:51:51WHY WE'RE DOING THIS OR HOW WE

2:51:53GOT HERE AND I THOUGHT, UM, MR.

2:51:54CITY MANAGER, I THOUGHT IN YOUR

2:51:55LINE OF QUESTIONING THAT MR.

2:51:56PEARSON WAS WAS GOING TO

2:51:57HOPEFULLY PUT A BOW ON IT BUT I

2:51:58THINK HIS ANSWER KIND OF

2:52:00CONFUSED ME A LITTLE BIT

2:52:00BECAUSE WE'VE GOT UM,

2:52:02COUNCILMEMBER NELSON STATEMENT

2:52:03JUST NOW THAT SAYS WE'RE

2:52:04MANDATED BY THE STATE.

2:52:06UM, IS THIS A DISCRETIONARY

2:52:07REQUIREMENT THAT WE'RE IMPOSING

2:52:08ON THE RESIDENTS OR IS THIS

2:52:10SOMETHING THAT'S MANDATED BY A

2:52:12HIGHER POWER FOR LACK OF A

2:52:13BETTER TERM?

2:52:16AS AS WE SIT HERE TODAY WE DO

2:52:19NOT HAVE A CONSENT ORDER.

2:52:21REQUIRING IT.

2:52:22>> OKAY.

2:52:23>> WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS

2:52:26BEFORE WHERE THERE WERE CONSENT

2:52:28ORDERS BASICALLY BEING HELD

2:52:30OVER THE CITY BECAUSE OF OUR

2:52:32SEWER DENSITY IN CAPE CORAL AND

2:52:35SO WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH

2:52:36THE REGULATORY AGENCIES TO SAY

2:52:39IF WE ADVANCE OUR UPS AHEAD OF

2:52:41CERTAIN DENSITIES WE WOULD BE

2:52:44ABLE TO AVOID THAT WE WE STAY

2:52:47AHEAD OF THOSE SO THAT WE ARE

2:52:49NOT.

2:52:49WE DO.

2:52:50NOT HAVE A CONSENT ORDER OVER

2:52:52US FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL

2:52:54PERSPECTIVE, WHAT'S CHANGED

2:52:57MORE RECENTLY WITH NORTH ONE

2:52:59AND NORTH SIX IS WHERE WE WERE

2:53:02HISTORICALLY DOING OUR UFP

2:53:04AREAS BECAUSE OF ENVIRONMENTAL

2:53:06REASONS RELATED TO THE SEWERS

2:53:08AND OUR CANAL SYSTEM IS WE

2:53:10WOUND UP WITH THE THE EMERGENCY

2:53:13WATER SHORTAGE WHERE WE

2:53:15ACTUALLY HAD RESIDENTS IN THE

2:53:16CAPE WHOSE WELLS WERE RUNNING

2:53:19DRY THAT CAUSED US AS

2:53:21COUNCILWOMAN LASTER JUST SAID

2:53:23WE HAD TO ALTER AFTER NORTH

2:53:25THREE WE'RE NOT GOING FOUR OR 5

2:53:27OR 6.

2:53:28WE'RE GOING ALL THE WAY BACK

2:53:29EAST TO NORTH SIX AHEAD OF THE

2:53:31REST SO THAT WE CAN AVOID ANY

2:53:34FUTURE DAMAGE TO THE AQUIFER

2:53:37AGAIN, JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS

2:53:40CONSENT ORDERS, WE WORKED WITH

2:53:42THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT

2:53:45HAND IN HAND AND THE DP TO

2:53:47AVOID ANY CONSENT ORDERS OR ANY

2:53:49ISSUES.

2:53:50WE AS YOU ALL KNOW WE HAD TO

2:53:51PASS RESOLUTIONS FORMALLY

2:53:53CHANGING THOSE AREAS.

2:53:54WE HAD TO ADVANCE ON OUR WATER

2:53:56REC FACILITY BECAUSE OF ALL THE

2:53:58THINGS WE'VE DONE THEY NEVER

2:54:01HAD TO STEP IN AND DO TAKE

2:54:03DRASTIC ACTION.

2:54:04IF WE WERE TO PULL BACK ON

2:54:05THOSE THE OUTCOME WOULD BE.

2:54:08DIFFERENT AND I GUESS THAT'S

2:54:09WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT AND I

2:54:11KNOW THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY

2:54:11WHAT EVERYONE WANTS TO HEAR,

2:54:12BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD

2:54:13OF A SITUATION THAT THEY'RE

2:54:14GOING TO WISH WE DID WHEN THAT

2:54:16SITUATION ARISES.

2:54:17SO ALSO JUST TO BE CLEAR THOUGH

2:54:18BECAUSE SHE SAID WE'RE WE'RE

2:54:19FEDERALLY OR WE'RE REQUIRED BY

2:54:21STATE STATUTE THAT WAS

2:54:22VOLUNTARY WITH REGARDS TO THE

2:54:24EXAMPLE THAT YOU JUST PROVIDED

2:54:25,BUT ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS

2:54:28INEVITABLE THAT THE CONSENT

2:54:28ORDER THAT SHE DID REFER TO

2:54:29WOULD HAVE THEN BECOME IMPOSED

2:54:31.

2:54:31I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR

2:54:33THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WELL WELL

2:54:35THE POINT THE POINT IS AND AND

2:54:37I AND IT COULD BE UNDERSTOOD

2:54:40TWO DIFFERENT WAYS BUT THE

2:54:40POINT IS RIGHT NOW OBVIOUSLY

2:54:42NOBODY WANTS TO PAY.

2:54:42I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THE

2:54:43WATER.

2:54:44THIS IS MY DISTRICT RIGHT.

2:54:45BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN

2:54:46IS WHEN WE SAY WELL WE'RE NOT

2:54:48NECESSARILY MANDATED RIGHT NOW

2:54:49WE CAN'T WE CAN POSTPONE IT.

2:54:51UM AND THEN WE RUN INTO A

2:54:53SITUATION LIKE THE SITUATION

2:54:54THAT WE DID RUN INTO WITH THE

2:54:55AQUIFER BEING DEPLETED IN THAT

2:54:57AREA.

2:54:58UM, AND THERE WAS SOME

2:54:59INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE RAN OUT

2:55:00OF WATER BUT WE WERE ABLE TO TO

2:55:01MITIGATE THAT TO AN EXTENT

2:55:02BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS THAT IT

2:55:04TOOK.

2:55:04BUT THEN.

2:55:05WHO ARE THE IDIOTS NOW IT'S US

2:55:08BECAUSE WE DECIDED THAT WE

2:55:09WANTED TO WAIT AND NOW IT'S

2:55:11CRITICAL AND IT'S AN EMERGENCY

2:55:13AND WE'VE GOT SEVEN MONTHS

2:55:14BEFORE WE CAN PUT IT OUT TO

2:55:15BID.

2:55:16YOU JUST HEARD IT SEVEN MONTHS

2:55:16TO GET THAT SITUATION PUT

2:55:17TOGETHER.

2:55:18PEOPLE DON'T HAVE WATER.

2:55:19THEY'RE CALLING THEY'RE CALLING

2:55:21ME.

2:55:21UM, AND THEY DON'T HAVE WATER

2:55:23THERE.

2:55:23THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TRUCKS TO

2:55:24COME AND SHIP WATER.

2:55:24WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT ARE

2:55:25COMING TO SHIP WATER TO FILL

2:55:26THEIR TANKS ON A WEEKLY BASIS

2:55:28SO THEY CAN PROVIDE WATER TO

2:55:30THEIR HOMES AND IT'S IT'S OUR

2:55:32FAULT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET

2:55:33AHEAD OF IT AND NOW HERE WE ARE

2:55:34TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT AND I

2:55:35UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES THAT ARE

2:55:37,YOU KNOW, IMPOSED ON THE

2:55:39RESIDENTS, UM, WITH THE

2:55:41FINANCES.

2:55:41BUT I DO THAT NOT TO SEEK PITY

2:55:44BUT TO TELL YOU THAT THAT THESE

2:55:45ARE THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE

2:55:46RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING ON YOUR

2:55:48BEHALF.

2:55:48WE DIDN'T WAKE UP AND SAY HEY,

2:55:49THIS GUY'S GOT GREAT WATER.

2:55:50I GOT GREAT WATER.

2:55:51UM, BUT LET'S NOT CHARGE HIM 40

2:55:53GRAND FOR IT BECAUSE WE FEEL

2:55:54LIKE IT.

2:55:54UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE

2:55:56REALITY OF THE BURDEN, SO TO

2:55:58SPEAK.

2:55:58ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT A BURDEN

2:55:59OBVIOUSLY IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO

2:56:00BE IN THE SEAT OF MAKING THESE

2:56:02DECISIONS.

2:56:03UM.

2:56:04NOW MOVING FORWARD.

2:56:06>> WITH WITH THE LOT SIZE UM,

2:56:08WITH REGARDS TO THE QUESTIONS

2:56:09ON SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT

2:56:09THEY HAD WITH WITH LOT SIZE AND

2:56:10I UNDERSTAND THAT WE GOT A

2:56:12BREAKDOWN HERE.

2:56:13IT'S NOT THE FULL 41 FOR

2:56:14EXAMPLE ON ON THE WEST SIDE

2:56:15IT'S THE 30 SOMETHING THOUSAND

2:56:18PLUS THE ONE TIME FEE THE 8000

2:56:20AND CHANGE IS THE ONCE PER LOT

2:56:22REGARDLESS OF HOW BIG IT IS.

2:56:23BUT THEN YOU GET THE 32,000 OR

2:56:25WHATEVER PER 10,000FT2.

2:56:27UM AND THEN I GUESS THE

2:56:29QUESTION THAT MISS LEEMAN HAD

2:56:30ASKED WITH REGARDS TO HAVE WE

2:56:31ALWAYS DONE IT THAT WAY?

2:56:32UM AND I UNDERSTAND TO SOME

2:56:34DEGREE UH DEPENDING ON HOW YOU

2:56:36SLICE IT, WAS THERE EVER A LIKE

2:56:37A DISCOUNT FOR LARGER PARCELS

2:56:39THAT WE THAT WE IMPOSED UM IN

2:56:41THE PAST AND IS THAT APPLICABLE

2:56:43HERE AS WELL OR.

2:56:44>> NO WE WANT TO DISCUSS LARGE

2:56:46PARCEL DISCOUNT.

2:56:51YEAH WHOEVER OR WHOEVER

2:56:54HISTORICALLY HE'S ASKING HAVE

2:56:55WE EVER UH ALLOWED A LARGE

2:56:56PARCEL DISCOUNT?

2:56:58YEAH WE.

2:57:13ALL OVER HERE.

2:57:17SO I.

2:57:18>> THINK THIS.

2:57:19PROBABLY WE.

2:57:20SEE HE KEEPS US IN LINE TO.

2:57:22UH.

2:57:23>> THE.

2:57:23CITY FOR.

2:57:24SEVERAL YEARS DID OFFER AN

2:57:25OVERSIZE PARCEL.

2:57:25DISCOUNT FOR PROPERTIES.

2:57:26THAT WERE TWO ACRES AND GREATER

2:57:28.

2:57:28IN SIZE.

2:57:29UM, THEY DISCONTINUED THAT.

2:57:31UH, THEY FELT THAT THE

2:57:32DEVELOPERS THE LARGE.

2:57:33PARCELS SHOULD.

2:57:34>> PAY 100% OF THE ASSESSMENT.

2:57:35SO FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW WE'VE

2:57:37BEEN DOING A 100% ASSESSMENT ON

2:57:39LARGE.

2:57:39PARCELS.

2:57:40AND THE METHODOLOGY UH, BRIEFLY

2:57:43WAS.

2:57:43IF THEY'RE.

2:57:44THE DEVELOPERS OF THE LARGER

2:57:46PARCELS, THEY CAN JUST BEAR

2:57:47THAT EXPENSE BECAUSE OF THE

2:57:48NATURE THAT THEY'RE BUYING A

2:57:49LARGER PARCEL OR HOW DO WE

2:57:51CORRECT SO THEY HAVE MORE MONEY

2:57:52WHEN THEY CAN?

2:57:53I MEAN YOU DIDN'T MAKE THAT

2:57:54DECISION THAT WELL THAT I'M.

2:57:56NO NO, I'M TRYING TO

2:57:57RATIONALIZE WHEN.

2:57:57WE PROVIDE AN OVERSIZE PARCEL

2:57:59DISCOUNT TO LARGE PARCELS THAT

2:58:00SHIFTS THE BURDEN MORE TO THE

2:58:01HOMEOWNER.

2:58:02THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

2:58:03SO OUR DIVIDING NUMBER BECOMES

2:58:05SMALLER WHICH MAKES THE

2:58:05ASSESSMENT HIGHER.

2:58:06AND NOT DOES THAT BASED ON

2:58:08FRONTAGE OR IS THAT.

2:58:09TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE.

2:58:10SIZE PARCEL?

2:58:11YES MA'AM IT.

2:58:12>> WAS.

2:58:12BASED ON ACREAGE.

2:58:13OKAY TOTAL.

2:58:14CORRECT BECAUSE I MEAN WE HAVE

2:58:16WE HAVE INSTANCES HERE UM AND

2:58:18AGAIN YOU CAN LOOK AT IT IN

2:58:20MORE THAN ONE WAY BUT WE'VE GOT

2:58:22SITUATIONS WHERE YOU'VE GOT

2:58:22MULTIPLE OWNERS AND SOME OF

2:58:23THEM CAME HERE.

2:58:24>> AND SPOKE TODAY.

2:58:25UM AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE

2:58:28SOME OF.

2:58:28THEM ARE UNDER.

2:58:29TWO ACRES SO IT'S NOT A DIRECT

2:58:32APPLICATION.

2:58:33UM BUT BUT YOU PUT THESE

2:58:34NUMBERS INTO THESE AND EVEN AT

2:58:35DOUBLE AT THE 30 THE 32,000 UM

2:58:38,YOU KNOW, 6070 $80,000 FOR

2:58:40WATER.

2:58:40UM AND THIS IS MORE FOR THIS

2:58:42COUNCIL THINKING ABOUT MOVING

2:58:44FORWARD.

2:58:44IT'S IT'S BEEN MADE ABUNDANTLY

2:58:46CLEAR THAT I WILL NOT BE HERE

2:58:47UM, IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS BUT

2:58:49MOVING FORWARD THIS THIS

2:58:51COUNCIL HAS SIGNIFICANT

2:58:51DECISIONS TO MAKE BECAUSE THE

2:58:52FARTHER THAT WE MOVE NORTH, THE

2:58:54LARGER THAT THIS ISSUE BECOMES

2:58:57WITH RESPECT TO THE SIZE OF THE

2:58:58PARCELS AND HOW WE PROVIDE UM,

2:59:00THE FORMULA FOR APPLICATION I

2:59:03PERSONALLY KNOW OF SOMEONE THAT

2:59:06HAS UH THEY'RE GOING TO BE

2:59:08PAYING FIVE UNITS UM FOR THIS.

2:59:11SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT I MEAN

2:59:14YEAH 200,000 RIGHT TO THE NORTH

2:59:17OF WHERE I'M AT THERE'S ROADS

2:59:18THAT ARE LINED WITH FIVE ACRE

2:59:20FLATS THAT'S 20 UNITS.

2:59:22THAT'S $660,000 IF WE'RE

2:59:25APPLYING THIS UNIVERSALLY IT'S

2:59:27WORKED IN THE PAST BECAUSE IN

2:59:28THE SOUTH IT'S MORE DENSELY

2:59:29POPULATED.

2:59:30PEOPLE MOVED UP NORTH BECAUSE

2:59:31THE LAND WAS CHEAPER AND THEY

2:59:33WANTED TO QUOTE UNQUOTE, YOU

2:59:34KNOW, GET SOME SPACE.

2:59:35BUT YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE

2:59:37DENSITY IS COMING BUT I THINK

2:59:38WHY DON'T WE DEAL WITH IT NOW

2:59:39WE DEAL WITH IT LATER.

2:59:41IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM THAT

2:59:42WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO

2:59:43AVOID WITH REGARDS TO HOW WE

2:59:44APPLY THESE LARGER PARCELS THE

2:59:45SAME EQUIVALENCE TO UM THE

2:59:47OTHER ONE.

2:59:48SO THAT'S.

2:59:49THAT'S I HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS

2:59:51YOUR QUESTION WITH HOW WE'RE

2:59:52DOING IT I DON'T AGREE WITH

2:59:53THAT.

2:59:53UM BUT I'M ONLY ONE VOTE SO I

2:59:55DON'T KNOW HOW WE CHANGE THAT

2:59:56HERE TODAY BUT FOR THE RECORD

2:59:57IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK

2:59:58IS UH, ESPECIALLY MOVING

3:00:00FORWARD SINCE IT WILL BE

3:00:01APPLYING TO A LARGE AMOUNT OF

3:00:02PEOPLE UM.

3:00:03EQUITABLE UH, FRANKLY THE UH.

3:00:07THE IF WE.

3:00:10CAN I CAN I CAN I EXPAND.

3:00:11UPON YES, MA'AM.

3:00:12YES THE.

3:00:13SAME THING.

3:00:13>> ALL RIGHT SO I ASKED I ASKED

3:00:14FINANCE TO PUT UP THE CHART

3:00:17THAT SHOWS THE NUMBER OF EPS.

3:00:19SO I.

3:00:21>> WANT YOU TO TAKE ALL OF THE

3:00:22LAND AREA THAT'S IN NORTH

3:00:24THREE.

3:00:24UM, AND.

3:00:25DIVIDE IT BY 10,000 SQUARE FOOT

3:00:28UNITS.

3:00:29WE GET TO A CERTAIN QUANTITY OF

3:00:34EPS AVAILABLE.

3:00:35THERE'S 5179 PARCELS THAT'S IN

3:00:39THE TOP.

3:00:40OKAY, BUT THE EQUIVALENT

3:00:43PARCELS DO YOU HAVE A CHART?

3:00:44THERE'S A CHART THAT TALKS

3:00:47ABOUT HOW MANY 10,000 SQUARE

3:00:48FOOT EQUIVALENTS THERE ARE.

3:00:53THERE WE GO.

3:00:54YOU GOT.

3:00:55SO FOR 5179 PARCELS YOU'VE GOT

3:01:016633 EPS.

3:01:03AND THIS IS HOW THE MATH WORKS

3:01:05.

3:01:06.

3:01:07AND WE'LL USE THE EXAMPLE THAT

3:01:09COUNCILMEMBER LONG JUST

3:01:10DISCUSSED IF WE WERE TO ALLOW

3:01:13LARGE PARCEL PROPERTY OWNERS

3:01:15THAT CAN BUILD WAY BIGGER

3:01:18DEVELOPMENTS OR SUBDIVIDE THEM

3:01:19INTO MULTIPLE HOMES, ALLOW THEM

3:01:22TO HAVE A DISCOUNT BY LOWERING

3:01:24THEIR EPS, THE COST OF THE

3:01:27PROJECT STAYS THE SAME BUT THE

3:01:30DIVIDE THE NUMBER WE HAVE TO

3:01:32DIVIDE BY IS SMALLER AND IF YOU

3:01:36REMEMBER MULTIPLICATION AND

3:01:38DIVISION WHERE.

3:01:38>> YOU TAKE IN ONE OFF LINE

3:01:39THAT IT THEN IT WILL PASS ON TO

3:01:41ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES RIGHT

3:01:42I GET THAT.

3:01:42SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO

3:01:44UNDERSTAND WHEN WE'RE TALKING

3:01:46ABOUT DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES

3:01:48OR DIFFERENT NUANCES WITHIN A

3:01:51METHODOLOGY.

3:01:51SO FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU WANT TO

3:01:53TALK ABOUT FRONT.

3:01:54FOOTAGE WELL FOR A PROPERTY

3:01:57THAT HAS 80FT IN FRONT OF IT

3:01:59THEY'RE GOING TO BE OKAY WITH

3:02:01THE PROPERTY NEXT TO THEM.

3:02:03BUT FOR THE ONE THAT HAS A PIE

3:02:05SHAPED LOT WHERE THEY HAVE A

3:02:06LARGE SEAWALL, THEY'RE ONLY

3:02:08GOING TO HAVE 30FT OF FRONTAGE

3:02:10AND SO THEIR SAVINGS IS PICKED

3:02:14UP BY EVERYBODY ELSE.

3:02:15WE'VE EXPLORED ALL THESE

3:02:17DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES FOR

3:02:18DECADES.

3:02:19WE'VE RUN ANALYSIS BASED ON THE

3:02:20CAVE.

3:02:20WE'VE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT LARGE

3:02:22PARCEL DISCOUNTS, DIFFERENT

3:02:24FRONT FOOTAGE PER UNIT

3:02:26EQUIVALENCE, DIFFERENT SQUARE

3:02:27FOOTAGE CONSUMPTION BASED FOR

3:02:30CAPE CORAL THE CITY WITH THE

3:02:34OVER 400 MILES OF CANALS THAT

3:02:37HAS ROADWAYS THAT MATCH THE

3:02:40CANAL LENGTHS, ROUNDABOUTS, CUL

3:02:41DE SACS, HAMMERHEADS.

3:02:45THE SQUARE FOOTAGE METHODOLOGY

3:02:47IS THE MOST FAIR ACROSS ALL

3:02:52ASSESSMENT AREAS.

3:02:53IT IS THE MOST FAIR TO ALL OF

3:02:56THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

3:02:57AS SOON AS YOU START CHANGING

3:02:59IT YOU START BENEFITING.

3:03:01DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS ARE THE

3:03:03BEHALF ON BEHALF OF SOMEBODY

3:03:05ELSE'S EXPENSE.

3:03:07THANK YOU.

3:03:08YEAH I THINK.

3:03:10AND I GUESS ONE OF MY ISSUES

3:03:11WITH THAT AND AND THERE IS

3:03:12MULTIPLE DIFFERENT INSTANCES OF

3:03:14THAT PLEASE IN THE SCENARIO

3:03:15THAT YOU PROVIDED YOU KIND OF

3:03:16LIKE THEORETICALLY APPLIED THE

3:03:20FACT THAT THE LOT IS GOING TO

3:03:21HOST UH A MULTITUDE OF HOMES

3:03:24AND SO YOU HAVE THE SITUATIONS

3:03:25WHERE THERE'S LIKE RANCH

3:03:26ESTATES THEY CALL THEM A RANCH.

3:03:27THAT'S WHATEVER YOU WANT TO

3:03:28CALL THEM.

3:03:29IT'S JUST ONE HOME ON THIS THIS

3:03:30LOT AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S

3:03:32THERE'S THERE'S FORMULAS THAT I

3:03:34DON'T CLAIM TO KNOW THAT SAY

3:03:35HOW MANY HOMES THEY COULD HAVE

3:03:36ON THAT SITE BUT IT'S NOT THE

3:03:38SITUATION WHERE THEY WOULD BE

3:03:40BUSTLING OR THAT IT WOULD BE A

3:03:41MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT WITH

3:03:43MULTIPLE UNITS WITHOUT A

3:03:45REZONING.

3:03:45SO THEN THE COUNTER TO THAT

3:03:46POINT AND I DON'T WANT TO GO

3:03:47INTO THIS WE COULD DO THAT

3:03:48PARTICULAR PART ALL NIGHT AND

3:03:49MANY PEOPLE MUCH MORE HAVE DONE

3:03:51IT FOR DECADES UM AS YOU

3:03:53MENTIONED BUT I DON'T YOU KNOW

3:03:55IF YOU APPLIED IT PER HOME ON

3:03:57THE SITE AND WITH THE

3:04:00THEORETICAL LIMITATION THAT

3:04:01THAT HOME IN FIVE ACRES AND UH

3:04:03WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ESTATE

3:04:04ZONING COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE

3:04:06EIGHT HOMES ON IT AND THEN YOU

3:04:08CAP IT AT THAT VERSUS THE

3:04:09SQUARE FOOTAGE IT WOULD BE I

3:04:11WOULD IMAGINE MUCH MORE

3:04:12DIGESTIBLE THAN 660 GRAND.

3:04:13IN THAT SCENARIO.

3:04:15NOW AGAIN AND YOU LOOK AT THIS

3:04:17AND IT'S LIKE WELL IT'S ONLY A

3:04:18FEW PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING TO

3:04:19PAY A COUPLE HUNDRED GRAND.

3:04:20SO YOU KNOW THE.

3:04:22IT'S A IT'S PROBLEMATIC.

3:04:24THERE'S NO RIGHT ANSWER I'M

3:04:25FOLLOWING YOU.

3:04:25UM SO.

3:04:27AND IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO

3:04:28COMPOUND AS WE GO FURTHER

3:04:29NORTH.

3:04:29THE UM.

3:04:31THE THE FIVE UH THE 35 MILLION

3:04:35THE ALL FIVE I'M ASSUMING IF WE

3:04:37DECIDE TO JUST SCRATCH THAT THE

3:04:39ALL FIVE THE FIGURES ARE THE

3:04:41SAME AS THE EAST MORE OR LESS.

3:04:44UM I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT TO

3:04:47BE TRUE.

3:04:48DO WE HAVE.

3:04:48TO RE-ENGINEER.

3:04:50WE WE DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEERED

3:04:52DESIGN WITHOUT IT.

3:04:53NO.

3:04:54>> WE CAME TO YOU ALL.

3:04:55I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M JUST

3:04:56ASKING SINCE IT WAS EARMARKED

3:04:58IN LINE ITEM DOES A SEPARATE

3:05:00ITEM.

3:05:01I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT

3:05:01THERE WAS A SCENARIO THAT

3:05:02EXISTED WITHOUT THAT ITEM.

3:05:04NO.

3:05:05>> CORBETT PUBLIC WORKS THE

3:05:06CURRENT DESIGN PLANS INDICATE

3:05:08ALTERNATIVE FIVE.

3:05:09ONLY AND IF WE WERE DECIDED.

3:05:12TO SCRAP THAT.

3:05:13WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO.

3:05:14THE DRAWING BOARD.

3:05:15UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO REDESIGN

3:05:17THE TRANSPORTATION COMPONENT.

3:05:18AND WHAT WOULD WE GET?

3:05:19I KNOW IT'S BEEN ANSWERED BUT

3:05:20JUST TO HAMMER HOME THE POINT

3:05:22SINCE IT'S THE TOPIC, WHAT

3:05:23WOULD WE GET?

3:05:23ARE WE LOSING AS A RESULT OF

3:05:25THAT DECISION?

3:05:26UH NOT FINANCIALLY THAT'S A

3:05:27WHOLE NOTHER BALL BUT THE THE

3:05:29CURBS AND UH WHAT ARE WE WHAT

3:05:31WOULD WE.

3:05:31>> BE LOSING?

3:05:32>> WE'D GET ROADS.

3:05:32PRETTY MUCH THAT'S IT.

3:05:33RIGHT.

3:05:34>> SO UH, YOU WOULD RECEIVE THE

3:05:35UH, RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROADS

3:05:37THAT EXIST TODAY AND YOU'D

3:05:39PROBABLY HAD CLOSE TO 12 MONTHS

3:05:40TO THE PROJECT FOR THE REDESIGN

3:05:41OF THE TRANSPORTATION

3:05:43COMPONENTS.

3:05:43UNDERSTOOD.

3:05:44>> AND THAT FIGURE WAS IT'S AN

3:05:47ADDITIONAL LIKE FIVE GRAND FOR.

3:05:48SIX GRAND.

3:05:50SO THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES I

3:05:52GUESS HOW MANY OF YOU HERE.

3:05:53>> WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY SIX

3:05:54GRAND FOR BEAUTIFICATION.

3:05:57>> OF THE ROADWAY VERSUS JUST

3:05:58GETTING.

3:05:58ROADS REALISTICALLY AND THOSE

3:06:01ARE THE DECISIONS.

3:06:02>> WE HAVE TO MAKE ON YOUR

3:06:03BEHALF.

3:06:03SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT

3:06:05HAVE.

3:06:05AROSE THIS EVENING.

3:06:06ARE WELL HOW DID YOU GUYS MAKE

3:06:07THAT DECISION?

3:06:08BUT WE HAD ANOTHER GROUP OF

3:06:09RESIDENTS THAT DID SHOW UP AND

3:06:10THEY AND THEY DID UH, AT THE

3:06:11TIME SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY

3:06:13WANTED.

3:06:13>> IF THERE'S.

3:06:14A MULTITUDE OF.

3:06:15RESIDENTS HERE TODAY THAT THAT

3:06:16ARE NOT OF THAT OPINION.

3:06:17THEN MAYBE WE CHANGE THAT

3:06:19DIRECTION.

3:06:20BUT IF WE.

3:06:20DO IT'S GOING TO TAKE 12 MONTHS

3:06:22OF TIME.

3:06:22>> IT'S GOING TO COST MORE

3:06:23WITH.

3:06:23THE INCREASES IN INFLATION.

3:06:25I'M JUST DOING WHAT I CAN'T

3:06:26EXPLAIN ALL THE OPTIONS THAT WE

3:06:27HAVE AVAILABLE.

3:06:29UM, CAN.

3:06:30>> YOU SPEAK REAL QUICKLY.

3:06:31MR. CITY MANAGER ABOUT.

3:06:32THE UH.

3:06:33THE MAPS AND THE PLANS AND HOW

3:06:34THEY HOW THEY CHANGE?

3:06:35I MEAN, WE DO OUR BEST BUT MORE

3:06:37OR LESS THAT'S THE ANSWER WE'RE

3:06:37NOT NECESSARILY LEGALLY BOUND

3:06:39TO.

3:06:40TO AND I GET IT PEOPLE MOVE

3:06:42HERE AND THEY SEE THE MAPS AND

3:06:43THE MAPS SAY THAT THEY'RE 2045

3:06:44AND THEN DO TO.

3:06:46SERIES THAT ARE OUTSIDE.

3:06:47>> OF OUR CIRCUMSTANCES.

3:06:48OR CONTROL.

3:06:49WE HAVE TO.

3:06:50>> SHIFT.

3:06:50THAT CAN.

3:06:51>> YOU.

3:06:51KNOW.

3:06:52OUR OUR BOUNDARIES OF OUR UP

3:06:53AREAS ARE BASED IN ENGINEERING

3:06:57PRINCIPLES WHERE MASTER LIFT

3:06:59STATIONS WHERE LOCAL LIFT

3:07:00STATIONS WHERE TREATMENT AND

3:07:02TRANSMISSION LINES ARE GOING TO

3:07:04BE ROUTED.

3:07:05SO IT STARTS OFF IN AN

3:07:07ENGINEERING BASIS BUT FROM

3:07:08THERE WE THE THE MARGINS AT THE

3:07:11MARGINS THERE IS DISCRETION.

3:07:13YOU KNOW.

3:07:14EXTENDING YOU KNOW TO ANOTHER

3:07:16CANAL OR AROUND A CORNER OR YOU

3:07:18KNOW, INCLUDING A SMALLER

3:07:20NEIGHBORHOOD COMPARED TO THAT

3:07:21THOSE THOSE ARE DISCRETIONARY.

3:07:23THE GOAL ULTIMATELY IS TO BE

3:07:26COMPLETE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE

3:07:26CITY.

3:07:27SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN WE

3:07:30CAN INCLUDE AN AREA LIKE LIKE

3:07:33LET'S JUST TAKE THE GOLF

3:07:33COURSE.

3:07:34ONE AND NOT HAVE MAJOR CHANGES

3:07:37IN OUR TREATMENT AND

3:07:39TRANSMISSION WHERE IT'S GOING

3:07:40TO COST THE RATEPAYERS IN THE

3:07:41UTILITY SYSTEM HUNDREDS AND

3:07:44HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS

3:07:45TO SERVE AN AREA BUT AT THE

3:07:47SAME TIME POSSIBLY SAVE SOME

3:07:50RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO

3:07:51RE DRILL A WELL WHEN WHEN A

3:07:54SITUATION LIKE THAT COMES UP WE

3:07:55WILL AMEND THE THE BOUNDARY OF

3:07:58THE PLAN BUT FOR THE MOST PART

3:08:00NORTHEAST BOUNDARY STAYED THE

3:08:01SAME WITH THE EXCEPTION OF

3:08:02ADDING THAT THOSE.

3:08:05MAPS WE REVIEW ROUTINELY EVERY

3:08:08TIME WE GO OUT AND REDO OUR OUR

3:08:11MASTER PLAN FOR UH WATER AND

3:08:13SEWER.

3:08:14WE'RE LOOKING THAT EVERY TIME

3:08:15WE ACTUALLY DO A DESIGN WORK

3:08:18FOR A UTILITY AREA, WE'RE

3:08:20HAVING TO DRAW WHAT WE'RE

3:08:22ACTUALLY ASKING THE ENGINEERS

3:08:23TO DESIGN AND ANY TIME

3:08:25SOMETHING CHANGES IN THE FIELD

3:08:26THAT NECESSITATES RELOOKING AT

3:08:29THAT WE PUT IT OUT.

3:08:30WE WE'RE CONSTANTLY MAILING

3:08:33THAT MAP OUT.

3:08:33WE'RE CONSTANTLY GETTING IT TO

3:08:35REALTORS BECAUSE RIGHT PEOPLE

3:08:36ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS

3:08:39FUTURE HOMEBUYERS HAVE OR

3:08:40CURRENT HOMEBUYERS IS WHERE IS

3:08:42THIS IN THE PLAN FOR THE DO I

3:08:44HAVE UTILITIES AND IF NOT WHERE

3:08:47IS IT IN RELATION TO GETTING

3:08:49UTILITIES IN THE FUTURE?

3:08:50SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE

3:08:53VERY COGNIZANT THAT WE NEED TO

3:08:54MAKE SURE A CONSTANT

3:08:55COMMUNICATION IS OUT THERE.

3:08:57BUT THE BASIS THE BASIC ANSWER

3:09:00IS THOSE BOUNDARIES ARE

3:09:02DISCRETIONARY AT THE CITY LEVEL

3:09:04RIGHT?

3:09:05>> WE DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY

3:09:05WHEN WE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS

3:09:06BUT SOMETIMES CORRECT OKAY.

3:09:09UH TWO LAST THINGS GUYS I.

3:09:10KNOW YOU DON'T REALLY CARE

3:09:11ABOUT ANY OF THIS.

3:09:12YOU REALLY JUST CARE ABOUT

3:09:13WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GOING TO

3:09:14HAVE TO PAY.

3:09:14THE BILL.

3:09:14BUT I'M TRYING TO AT LEAST PUT

3:09:16ON.

3:09:16RECORD SOME ANSWERS FOR SOME.

3:09:17>> OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE

3:09:18ASKED UH, THIS EVENING.

3:09:19THE WELL, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN

3:09:20THAT SPOKE WITH REGARDS.

3:09:21TO SCALING BACK OR MINIMIZING

3:09:23THE PROJECT, UH, TO GENERATE

3:09:24COMPETITION WHICH IN THEORY I

3:09:26GUESS SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA,

3:09:27RIGHT.

3:09:27IF YOU MINIMIZE IT AND TAKE YOU

3:09:28KNOW, WHILE HE'S OUT OF PLAY

3:09:29AND NOW THERE'S EIGHT

3:09:30INDIVIDUAL BIDDERS AND YOU'VE

3:09:31MINIMIZED IT INTO 1 OR 2

3:09:32CONTRACT AREAS, THE THOUGHT IS

3:09:33THAT THEY'RE ALL GOING TO FIGHT

3:09:35EACH OTHER TO THE BOTTOM AND AS

3:09:36A RESULT WE BENEFIT.

3:09:38CAN YOU SPEAK REAL.

3:09:39QUICKLY TO THE OBVIOUS

3:09:41ALTERNATIVE SITUATION THAT THAT

3:09:42THAT PROVIDES WITH REGARDS.

3:09:43TO THE DELAYED.

3:09:44INFLATION CREEP THAT.

3:09:46>> WOULD RESULT FROM THE

3:09:46SUCCESS OF.

3:09:48SO THAT'S A THOUGHT IF IT'S NOT

3:09:50THEN I MEAN.

3:09:51>> YEAH NO IF YOU WANT TO LOOK

3:09:53AT IT THIS WAY.

3:09:54CAN YOU PUT THE MAP.

3:09:56UP OF THE EIGHT AREAS.

3:09:59JOE.

3:09:59>> I THINK I'M GOING TO TAKE A

3:10:03BREAK.

3:10:04COME BACK OKAY THAT'S OKAY.

3:10:07WITH YOU.

3:10:07IN IN ESSENCE EVEN THOUGH FROM

3:10:10AN A FROM A LEGAL ASSESSMENT

3:10:13PERSPECTIVE WE ARE WE ARE

3:10:16TAKING THE TOTAL COST OF ALL

3:10:18THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT ENTIRE

3:10:19AREA AND WE'RE PUTTING IT INTO

3:10:21ONE ASSESSMENT ONE BENEFIT AREA

3:10:25.

3:10:26BUT IN THEORY EACH ONE OF THOSE

3:10:29BID AREAS.

3:10:31COULD BE LOOKED AT AS ITS.

3:10:33OWN UP AREA.

3:10:36RIGHT.

3:10:36YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY

3:10:38WE'RE GOING TO TAKE BID.

3:10:39ONE AND WE'RE GOING TO DO A

3:10:42SPECIAL ASSESSMENT JUST FOR BID

3:10:43ONE AND THEN AFTER BID ONE IS

3:10:46DONE AND CONSTRUCTED WE HAVE A

3:10:48DESIGN WE'RE GOING TO DO BID

3:10:49NUMBER TWO.

3:10:52WHAT WE DO IS WE TAKE ALL EIGHT

3:10:53OF THOSE WE CUT THEM UP INTO

3:10:55DIFFERENT SIZES FROM.

3:10:56YOU KNOW $20.

3:10:58>> MILLION PROJECTS TO $40

3:10:59MILLION PROJECTS WE CREATE

3:11:01COMPETITION AMONGST ALL

3:11:03DIFFERENT LEVELS OF BONDING.

3:11:05IN COMPANIES.

3:11:07AND EVERY ONE OF THEM IS PUT

3:11:08OUT AND ALL OF THE BIDDERS.

3:11:10COMPETE FOR THE AWARD IN THOSE

3:11:13AREAS.

3:11:13SO YOU WILL SEE LET'S SAY LET'S

3:11:15SAY HYPOTHETICALLY WE WERE OPEN

3:11:17IN ORDER TO BID ONE, 6 OR 7

3:11:20BIDDERS BID ON BID ONE ONLY THE

3:11:23LOWEST ONE GETS THAT AWARD.

3:11:26THEN WE OPEN THEN WE PUT OUT ON

3:11:28THE STREET BID TWO.

3:11:30WELL BIDDER NUMBER ONE HAS THE

3:11:32OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO BID FOR

3:11:34THAT WORK.

3:11:34JUST BECAUSE THEY GOT ONE

3:11:35DOESN'T MEAN THAT.

3:11:36THEY THEY GO AWAY.

3:11:38BUT THEN ALL THE OTHER BIDDERS

3:11:40WHO ARE HUNGRY FOR WORK.

3:11:42CHASE THE BIDS.

3:11:43FROM BID ONE INTO BID TWO.

3:11:47AND SO NOW.

3:11:48YOU'VE GOT REAL TIME PRICING

3:11:50FROM BID ONE EVERYBODY TRYING

3:11:53TO BEAT THAT SO THAT THEY CAN

3:11:55GET BID TWO THEN WE GET THE BID

3:11:58THREE NOW YOU HAVE BIDS FROM

3:12:00ONE AND TWO OPEN AND

3:12:01EVERYBODY'S STILL COMPETING AND

3:12:03STILL GOING AFTER IT.

3:12:04BY THE TIME YOU GET DOWN TO THE

3:12:05LAST TWO.

3:12:06THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DON'T HAVE

3:12:08A JOB OR ARE STILL TRYING TO

3:12:10GET ONE, THEY'RE POSSIBLY NOT

3:12:13GETTING ANYTHING.

3:12:15AND SO YOU'RE YOU'RE WATCHING

3:12:17THESE BIDDERS COMPETE IN REAL

3:12:20TIME.

3:12:20TO OUTBID THEIR COMPETITION SO

3:12:22THAT THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE NOT

3:12:24GETTING LAID OFF.

3:12:25THEY STILL CAN PAY FOR THEIR

3:12:27YELLOW STEEL AND ALL THEIR

3:12:28OTHER OVERHEAD IN THE IN THE

3:12:29OFFICE.

3:12:30SO THAT'S HOW WE DEAL WITH IT

3:12:32ON A LARGE SCALE IF YOU WANTED

3:12:33TO LOOK AT IT HYPOTHETICALLY

3:12:36LINEARLY THAT WE DID ONE AND

3:12:37THEN A YEAR LATER WE DID TWO

3:12:39AND THEN A YEAR LATER WE DID

3:12:40THREE AND THEN A YEAR LATER WE

3:12:41DID FOUR.

3:12:44WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EIGHT

3:12:45YEAR PROJECT JUST TO DO WHAT WE

3:12:46COULD DO IN TWO YEARS TO

3:12:49COUNCIL MEMBER DARNELL'S POINT

3:12:51EARLIER, IF YOU DON'T THINK

3:12:53INFLATION IN EIGHT YEARS IS

3:12:54GOING TO BE HIGHER THAN IN TWO

3:12:56,WE HAVE A WE HAVE A

3:12:58FUNDAMENTAL MISUNDERSTANDING OF

3:13:01MACROECONOMICS AND BY DOING

3:13:04THAT THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT MIGHT

3:13:06EVEN BENEFIT WOULD BE THE ONES

3:13:09IN THE FIRST BID BECAUSE

3:13:10EVERYBODY AFTER THAT IS GOING

3:13:12TO BE YOU'RE YOU WOULD BE GOOD

3:13:14IF YOU WERE IN THE FIRST ONE.

3:13:15WE RELEASE ALL OF YOUR ALL OF

3:13:17YOUR NEIGHBORS WOULD PAY MORE.

3:13:18SURE JUST TO REALLY BRING IT

3:13:20HOME.

3:13:20UH AND I APPRECIATE YOU, UM,

3:13:22RIDING WITH ME, MR..

3:13:23UH, MAYOR PRO TEM.

3:13:24THE LAST POINT THAT I WANT TO

3:13:25MAKE IS IS THERE WAS ANOTHER

3:13:27MENTION WITH REGARDS TO THE

3:13:28STATE OF EMERGENCY AND IF WE

3:13:29WAITED AND WHETHER WE'D BE

3:13:30ELIGIBLE FOR THESE FUNDS IN THE

3:13:31SCENARIO THAT WE STARTED OFF MY

3:13:33DISCUSSION WITH WITH REGARDS TO

3:13:34LETTING THE CONSENT ORDER COME

3:13:35DOWN, UM AND THE THE AQUIFER IS

3:13:38DEPLETED, WOULD THAT IN YOUR

3:13:40OPINION.

3:13:40BE ELIGIBLE FOR A STATE OF.

3:13:42EMERGENCY REAL REAL QUICKLY IF

3:13:45YOU COULD JUST.

3:13:46IN I HAVE NEVER SEEN WERE A

3:13:49SELF CAUSED CRISIS THAT'S WHY

3:13:51DELAY OPENS UP STATE MONEY.

3:13:54YEAH I'M A I'M A I'M A YOU KNOW

3:13:56AS.

3:13:56>> MUCH OF A GAMER AS THE NEXT

3:13:57GUY RIGHT.

3:13:58AND SO YEAH SURE I'D LOVE TO

3:13:59SAY HEY GUY ALTHOUGH THE OTHER

3:14:00SIDE IS PUBLIC HEALTH AND

3:14:02SAFETY RIGHT.

3:14:02BUT HEY IF YOU GUYS ALL WANT TO

3:14:03RAISE YOUR HANDS AND SAY YEAH

3:14:04LET'S WAIT AND WE'LL GO WITHOUT

3:14:05FLUSHING OUR TOILETS BECAUSE WE

3:14:07WANT.

3:14:07>> TO PLAY, YOU KNOW, UH,

3:14:08CHICKEN WITH.

3:14:09NATURE AND AND I'M A

3:14:11REPRESENTATIVE.

3:14:12>> OF YOU PEOPLE.

3:14:12FINE.

3:14:13>> MAYBE THEN WE GET THE STATE

3:14:14OF EMERGENCY AND YES, SOME

3:14:15PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WITHOUT

3:14:16WATER BECAUSE THEY'RE HOOKED UP

3:14:17TO A DIFFERENT WORLD THAN THE

3:14:18NEXT GUYS AND WE MAYBE GET

3:14:19THOSE FUNDS AND.

3:14:20>> THAT'S ONE WAY TO DO IT.

3:14:21BUT BUT IF THAT'S ULTIMATELY.

3:14:22NOT THE END GAME THAT'S GOING

3:14:23TO BE.

3:14:24I'VE NOT SEEN THAT IN MY 24

3:14:26YEARS HERE.

3:14:27CONVERT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF

3:14:29THAT THOUGH, WHAT I HAVE SEEN

3:14:30IN NUMEROUS NUMEROUS UPS OVER

3:14:34AND OVER AND OVER OUR PROGRAM

3:14:37IS DISCUSSED AS BEING THE MODEL

3:14:39AND BECAUSE OF IT WE GET GRANTS

3:14:41BECAUSE THEY KNOW WE'RE DOING

3:14:43IT AND THE MONEY WILL BE.

3:14:44SPENT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE

3:14:46SPENT.

3:14:46WE DO HEAR THAT AFFIRMATIVELY.

3:14:48MY LAST POINT IS THAT WITH.

3:14:50REGARDS TO THE TIMING, YOU.

3:14:52KNOW, I'M.

3:14:52NEVER SUBSCRIBED TO.

3:14:53>> THE PEOPLE THAT COME UP AND

3:14:54SAY.

3:14:54HEY.

3:14:55>> WE HAD.

3:14:56PRIMARIES LAST MONTH.

3:14:57>> AND THE VOTERS SPOKE SO NOW

3:14:58JUST.

3:14:59BASICALLY PACK IT UP AND SHUT.

3:15:00>> IT DOWN.

3:15:01I WAS ELECTED WE WERE ALL

3:15:02ELECTED TO DO A JOB FOR FOUR

3:15:03YEARS.

3:15:03SO THAT'S ONE THING I DO

3:15:04BELIEVE IN HOWEVER.

3:15:05UM THE THE FACT THAT THIS VOTE.

3:15:08ULTIMATELY IS COMING.

3:15:09DOWN ONE DAY BEFORE.

3:15:11THE ELECTION UM IS IS SOMETHING

3:15:14THAT I PERSONALLY HAVE AN ISSUE

3:15:15WITH.

3:15:16I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS BY

3:15:17DESIGN.

3:15:17CALL ME FOOLISH IF YOU'D LIKE

3:15:18BUT IT DOES CREATE DISCOMFORT

3:15:19FOR ME CONSIDERING THAT THERE'S

3:15:21.

3:15:21PEOPLE AND THERE'S ALWAYS GOING

3:15:22TO BE SOMEONE THAT COMES IN

3:15:23THEY CAN DO IT BETTER.

3:15:23>> I'M NOT OF THE OPINION THAT

3:15:24THAT'S.

3:15:25POSSIBLE GIVEN THE.

3:15:25>> CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'VE BEEN

3:15:26EXPLAINED, BUT IF IF IF THE

3:15:29CONSENSUS.

3:15:29AMONG UH MY CONSTITUENTS.

3:15:32>> IS HEY.

3:15:32LET'S WAIT FOR THE NEXT GUYS

3:15:33BECAUSE SURE I GET IT.

3:15:34HOPE IS GREAT RIGHT?

3:15:35IT'S ALSO THE MOST DANGEROUS

3:15:35THING.

3:15:36>> IN THE WORLD BUT IT IS

3:15:37GREAT.

3:15:37UM.

3:15:38,THEN WHO AM.

3:15:40I TO FIGHT THAT AGAIN IF I IF

3:15:42THERE'S ENOUGH OF MY PEERS THAT

3:15:43FEEL THE SAME WAY AND WE DO

3:15:44DELAY IT AND WE'RE YOU KNOW,

3:15:46DON'T SAY I DIDN'T TELL.

3:15:47>> YOU SOMEWHERE THEY DIDN'T

3:15:48TELL YOU.

3:15:48SO IF THE COSTS.

3:15:49END UP BEING.

3:15:50LARGER BUT AS.

3:15:50LONG BASED ON APPLAUSE AS LONG

3:15:52AS YOU GUYS ARE ALL SUBSCRIBED

3:15:53TO THAT SAME IDEA AND HEY,

3:15:55LET'S ROLL THE DICE.

3:15:56UM, AND THEN I'LL BE WITH YOU

3:15:57IN AN HOUR.

3:15:58>> VOTE NO FOR THE SIMPLE FACT

3:15:59THAT ONE DAY.

3:16:00BEFORE THE ELECTION.

3:16:00I'M UNCOMFORTABLE.

3:16:02>> WITH MAKING A DECISION OF

3:16:03THIS MAGNITUDE.

3:16:03THAT'S IT.

3:16:04>> THANK YOU FOR HANGING.

3:16:05>> AND CAN.

3:16:05>> WE.

3:16:06GO AHEAD.

3:16:06>> AND.

3:16:07MAKE A.

3:16:07>> THANK YOU BECAUSE.

3:16:08>> WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION ON

3:16:09THE FLOOR.

3:16:09I'M SORRY.

3:16:09CAN WE MAKE A MOTION THEN TO.

3:16:10TO PAUSE.

3:16:11THIS UNTIL THE UH AFTER.

3:16:14NOVEMBER 3RD.

3:16:15OR EVEN.

3:16:16>> IF IT'S ALWAYS OPEN FOR A

3:16:17MOTION EVEN IF.

3:16:18>> IT TAKES.

3:16:1814 MONTHS AND THE COST IS.

3:16:20HIGHER.

3:16:20>> CAN WE MAKE A MOTION THAT.

3:16:22I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON?

3:16:25I DON'T WANT THE MOTION WAVING.

3:16:26ALL RIGHT, SO, UM, A POINT IS

3:16:29WELL MADE THAT WE DID, UH, OPEN

3:16:30THIS UP TO UH, COUNCIL

3:16:32DISCUSSION PRIOR TO A MOTION

3:16:33BEING MADE SO IT WOULD BE, UH,

3:16:35FAIR FOR ALL TO, UH, AT LEAST

3:16:37CHIME IN BEFORE WE WOULD, UH,

3:16:38BRING A MOTION IN ANY IN ANY

3:16:40REGARD.

3:16:41UM, WE HAVE BEEN AT THIS UH,

3:16:43NOW FOR UH, OVER THREE HOURS UH

3:16:46,WITH WITHOUT A BREAK.

3:16:47UH, THERE ARE STILL THREE MORE

3:16:50LIGHTS ON HERE WITH SOME OTHER

3:16:51QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO GET

3:16:52ANSWERED.

3:16:53UH, AND SO, UH, WE'RE GOING TO

3:16:54TAKE A SHORT RECESS.

3:16:55WE'LL TAKE A SHORT RECESS AND

3:16:58WE'LL RECONVENE AT SEVEN 4740.

3:17:01TEN MINUTES.

3:17:02>>

3:28:59ALL RIGHT.

3:29:00>> WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE

3:29:01MEETING BACK TO ORDER 742.

3:29:12COUNCIL MEMBER KILREA.

3:29:13THANK YOU.

3:29:14THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM.

3:29:15UM.

3:29:16IF THE GENTLEMAN STILL HERE WHO

3:29:19QUESTION ABOUT, UH, READING

3:29:20MATERIALS.

3:29:21I CAN ASSURE.

3:29:22YOU I PREPARED FOR EVERY

3:29:24COUNCIL.

3:29:24>> MEETING AND.

3:29:25>> I'M SURE I.

3:29:25READ EVERY WORD.

3:29:26I GET.

3:29:27IN THIS.

3:29:27CASE I DIDN'T GO THROUGH TO

3:29:28CONGRESS TO VIETNAM YET, BUT I

3:29:30WILL DO THAT.

3:29:31UM, AND SINCE.

3:29:34>> UH.

3:29:34I GUESS, UH, COUNCILMAN LAST OR

3:29:36SMILES TOO MUCH AND I TALK TOO

3:29:38MUCH, I'M UNCHARACTERISTICALLY

3:29:41GOING TO TRY AND KEEP.

3:29:42>> IT.

3:29:42SHORT TODAY.

3:29:43UH, BUT LET ME JUST BEGIN BY

3:29:45SAYING LOOK, I KNOW THE COST

3:29:48FOR THIS.

3:29:48THING IS.

3:29:49>> A REAL CHALLENGE.

3:29:50IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR US WHO

3:29:52PAID IN THE PAST AND IT'S A

3:29:53CHALLENGE FOR YOU GUYS YOU'RE

3:29:54FACING RIGHT RIGHT NOW AND I

3:29:56I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE A

3:29:58WAY TO BE ABLE TO AMELIORATE

3:29:59THAT IN SOME WAY.

3:30:00THAT MAKES SENSE.

3:30:02UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS THOUGH

3:30:04THAT THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT

3:30:06TO UNDERSTAND OR THAT UM, AND

3:30:09IT WAS SAID EARLIER AND MAYBE A

3:30:11DIFFERENT WAY BUT NO PROJECT IS

3:30:13EVER GOING TO BE CHEAPER TO DO

3:30:15THAN IT IS TODAY.

3:30:16AND IF YOU JUST LOOK AT WHAT

3:30:19INFLATION DOES AND HAS DONE

3:30:21OVER THE PERIOD OF THOSE EIGHT

3:30:23YEARS WHEN THEY DELAYED THE

3:30:24PROJECT AND THEN THROUGH WHAT

3:30:25WE EXPERIENCED WITH THE COVID

3:30:28AND THOSE 3 OR 4 YEARS THERE, I

3:30:30MEAN THINGS HAVE JUST GONE

3:30:31THROUGH THE ROOF.

3:30:32UH, EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE

3:30:34MACRO SCALE, THE FEDERAL

3:30:36RESERVE TARGET IS 2% INFLATION

3:30:40RATE AND WE'RE AT 3% ON CORE

3:30:43RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROBABLY UP IN

3:30:45ABOUT 5% IF YOU THROW IN THE

3:30:47ENERGY COST OVERALL.

3:30:49SO INFLATION IS NEVER GOING TO

3:30:51GO AWAY.

3:30:52SO WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE

3:30:54INCREASING PRICES AND THAT JUST

3:30:55.

3:30:56VALIDATES WHICH OCCURRED AND

3:30:58THE MATERIALS THAT ARE GOING

3:31:00INTO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR THE

3:31:02UP SYSTEM UH THE PVC PIPE THE

3:31:07THE UH IRON PIPE UH THE ASPHALT

3:31:12ASPHALT ITSELF IF YOU LOOK AT

3:31:13WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH ENERGY IN

3:31:15OIL UM THE BITUMEN THAT IS USED

3:31:18IN ASPHALT THAT IT'S ABOUT 15%

3:31:22OF A BARREL OF OIL.

3:31:24UH, NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS RAIL

3:31:26LINE THAT IT'S UP TO 15% YOU

3:31:29SHOULD ONLY BE MAYBE 6%.

3:31:32SO THAT EVEN EXACERBATES THE

3:31:34COST.

3:31:35MORE ASPHALT ISN'T GOING DOWN

3:31:37TO THE ROADWAYS THAT WE'RE

3:31:39DOING AS PART OF THIS IS GOING

3:31:40TO BE EXTREMELY MORE EXPENSIVE.

3:31:42SO THAT'S THE URGENCY UH, ALONG

3:31:47WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL PIECE OF

3:31:49THIS UM, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS

3:31:51THAT WERE ASKED BEFORE AND

3:31:53MAYBE WE WEREN'T TOUCHED UPON

3:31:54YET.

3:31:55UM, WHEN WE GET INTO THE

3:31:59ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENT HERE

3:32:01,UH, AND WE DID TALK ABOUT THE

3:32:04STATUTES I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT

3:32:05THE CITY'S AUTHORITY THROUGH

3:32:07THAT STATUTE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE

3:32:09THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE PEOPLE

3:32:12CONNECT, IF YOU WILL.

3:32:13ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE

3:32:15STATE HAS DONE IN ADDITION TO

3:32:16THAT FROM A STATUTE STANDPOINT,

3:32:19UH, IN THE STATE NOW BECAUSE

3:32:22YOU CANNOT PUT A SEPTIC SYSTEM

3:32:24IN UNLESS YOU I'M PERMISSION

3:32:26MANAGER TO NOW HALF AN ACRE UH

3:32:28AND THEN THERE ARE LOTS IN THE

3:32:29CITY THAT WERE SOLD AS NORMAL

3:32:33PARCELS OR A HALF AN ACRE NOT

3:32:35EVEN CLOSE TO THAT IDENTIFIES

3:32:38THE SEPTIC LOAD UPON THE CITY.

3:32:40SO FREE TO ALLOW SKEPTICS TO

3:32:42CONTINUE IN THERE.

3:32:42WE'RE PUSHING OURSELVES MORE

3:32:44INTO A MORE AGGRAVATED STATE.

3:32:46WE GET A LOT OF RUNOFF INTO THE

3:32:48CANALS AND THE PARADISE WE HAVE

3:32:51HERE NOW WILL BE RUINED

3:32:52ENVIRONMENTAL ONE AND THAT'S

3:32:54WHY BECAUSE OF THAT CONDITION

3:32:58WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT

3:32:59WE DON'T BRING BACK THAT

3:33:01CONCERN FOR A CONSENT ORDER.

3:33:02IT'S A LOT NICER TO BE ABLE TO

3:33:04DO TO SELF AUTHORIZE THESE

3:33:07THINGS IN MOVING FORWARD RATHER

3:33:09THAN BE FORCED TO DO THEM UNDER

3:33:11CONSENT ORDER.

3:33:11I CAME OUT OF THE CHEMICAL

3:33:14PETROCHEMICAL REFINING BUSINESS

3:33:15.

3:33:15I KNOW WHAT CONSENT ORDERS CAN

3:33:17DO TO A HYSTERIA AND THE COST

3:33:21REQUIRED.

3:33:21WE NEED TO TRY AND AVOID THAT

3:33:23AT ALL COSTS FOR THE RESIDENTS

3:33:26AND THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE'RE

3:33:28PLAYING THIS ISSUE RIGHT NOW

3:33:29AND TRYING TO DEEM IT IN A

3:33:31MANNER THAT AMELIORATES THOSE

3:33:34COSTS FOR YOU.

3:33:35SO SO THAT THAT IS IS THAT A

3:33:37STATE STATUTE BECAUSE OF THAT?

3:33:40UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AND

3:33:43I'LL BE PERFECTLY HONEST HERE I

3:33:46WAS WATCHING OR WATER DRAW IN

3:33:49HAWTHORNE UH FOR YEARS AND I

3:33:53RAN BACK IN 2020 AND I THOUGHT

3:33:55IT'S A SENSE OF URGENCY THEN

3:33:58THAT WE NEEDED TO BE DOING

3:33:59SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU COULD SEE

3:34:00THE LEVEL OF AVAILABLE.

3:34:03UH.

3:34:03>> SURFACE WATER THAT WAS IN

3:34:06HAWTHORNE LEVEL CONTINUALLY

3:34:08GOING DOWN AND WE BROKE THAT

3:34:12RECENTLY WITH WHAT HAPPENED TO

3:34:14US IN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF

3:34:16AGO WITH THE SOUTH WATER

3:34:19AUTHORITY IN CONCERT WITH US

3:34:21PULLING THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE

3:34:23NORTH, WE BROKE BELOW THE THE

3:34:26MINIMUM OR THE MAXIMUM

3:34:28DEVELOPMENT LEVEL AND THAT WAS

3:34:30GOING TO CAUSE US TO STOP

3:34:32EVERYTHING.

3:34:33AND THERE'S A CONDITION THAT

3:34:35OCCURS IN AQUIFERS THAT IF YOU

3:34:37GET BELOW A CERTAIN LEVEL YOU

3:34:40GET OXYGEN INFILTRATION AND IT

3:34:43SCREWS UP THE AQUIFER TOO.

3:34:44YOU CAN NEVER REALLY HAVE A

3:34:46GOOD AQUIFER AFTER THAT.

3:34:48AND THERE'S UH WE'RE BLESSED BY

3:34:51HAVING GOOD ENGINEERS IN

3:34:53JEFFERSON.

3:34:54UH, THE PERSON YOU HEARD

3:34:55SPEAKING UP EARLIER IS ONE OF

3:34:57THE BEST WATER MECHANICS FROM

3:35:00GEOLOGY STANDPOINT THAT I'VE

3:35:02EVER SEEN.

3:35:02AND I'VE DONE EVERYTHING FROM

3:35:04DRILLING NATURAL GAS THROUGH

3:35:06FINE CHEMICALS MANUFACTURER.

3:35:08THIS CITY'S BLESSED TO HAVE A

3:35:09GUY LIKE THAT.

3:35:10WE'RE BLESSED TO HAVE THE EARLY

3:35:13PLANTS HERE THAT WE HAVE HERE I

3:35:15BUILT OR PLANTS ALL OVER THE

3:35:16WORLD.

3:35:17WE ARE THE LARGEST, THE BEST

3:35:19OPERATED AND THE BEST UTILIZED

3:35:20PLANTS AROUND.

3:35:21SO FROM A TECHNOLOGY

3:35:24STANDPOINT, UH, THESE ENGINEERS

3:35:26WE HAVE ON SITE AND WHAT WE'VE

3:35:28DONE UH, FROM AN ENGINEERING

3:35:30STANDPOINT WITH THIS CITY'S

3:35:31WATER AND THE RECYCLE SYSTEM,

3:35:34IT'S A UH UH AN EXAMPLE OF HOW

3:35:37TO DO IT CORRECTLY.

3:35:39THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHY

3:35:41WE CAN'T PRODUCE WATER HERE

3:35:43LIKE THEY DO ON VESSELS AND SO

3:35:45ON.

3:35:46SHE GOT WATER ALL AROUND US.

3:35:48WELL, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THEY

3:35:49DO THAT IS CALLED A

3:35:52DESALINIZATION PLANT.

3:35:52BUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT

3:35:54A BIG PUMPS OFFSIDE.

3:35:55YOU HAVE TO OPTIMIZE THE

3:35:58ELECTRICAL TO MAKE THAT UH,

3:36:00ECONOMICALLY MAKE SENSE.

3:36:01THERE'S ONLY ONE CITY IN THE

3:36:04UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW THAT

3:36:05DOES IT DESALINATE

3:36:09DESALINIZATION WISE AND THAT'S

3:36:10IN CALIFORNIA.

3:36:12YOU'RE DOING A UH, PROBABLY

3:36:14ALMOST EQUIVALENT TO ABOUT WHAT

3:36:16HALF OUR WATER UPTAKE IS HERE

3:36:19WITH THAT SYSTEM.

3:36:20UH, YOU DO DONE SOME IN THE

3:36:23MIDEAST BUT STILL IT'S VERY

3:36:24EXPENSIVE AND THE MIDEAST IS IS

3:36:26AN ABERRATION OF HOW MONEY'S

3:36:29AVAILABLE.

3:36:29YOU DO THINGS LIKE THIS IN

3:36:32QATAR.

3:36:32YOU DO THINGS LIKE THIS IN

3:36:33SAUDI ARABIA BECAUSE THEY GOT

3:36:35TONS OF MONEY SO THEY.

3:36:37>> DON'T.

3:36:37CARE IF THEY PUT DESALINIZATION

3:36:39PUMPS THAT WASTE ENERGY THEY

3:36:41CARE ABOUT BUT IT DOESN'T IT'S

3:36:43NOT PAINFUL BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT

3:36:45ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD TO

3:36:46BE ABLE TO DO IT.

3:36:47SO YOU CAN'T REALLY COMPARE US

3:36:49TO THAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT.

3:36:51UM I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT YOU

3:36:55IN A STATE OF MIND OF WHY WE'RE

3:36:57IN THIS LITTLE BIT OF A

3:36:58PREDICAMENT AND WHY WE'RE

3:36:59SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO TRY AND

3:37:01GET THESE THINGS IN A RAPID

3:37:03PACE MOVING FORWARD TO DELAY IS

3:37:06GOING TO BE PUSHING IT ON TO

3:37:08THE FUTURE WHERE IT'S GOING TO

3:37:09BE AN EXASPERATED COST.

3:37:11IT'S GOING TO BE UNBELIEVABLE

3:37:13COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

3:37:15AND I'M SAYING THAT KNOWING

3:37:18FULL WELL OF WHERE WE STEP FROM

3:37:207 OR 8 YEARS AGO TO WHERE WE

3:37:22ARE TODAY IT'S NOT GOING TO GO

3:37:24AWAY.

3:37:24IT'S JUST GOING TO GET MORE

3:37:25EXPENSIVE.

3:37:26UM.

3:37:27>> THE METHODOLOGY UH THAT

3:37:30WE'RE USING UH FOR CALCULATION

3:37:33WHICH YOU GUYS ALREADY WENT

3:37:34OVER IN SIX SEVEN NORTH TO

3:37:38NORTH ONE IS THE SAME

3:37:40METHODOLOGY I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN

3:37:42SAN DIEGO WHICH WAS A

3:37:44DEVELOPMENT WHAT THEY DID IN

3:37:45SANTA BILL AND WHAT IS

3:37:48HAPPENING IN HUDSON CREEK RIGHT

3:37:49NOW.

3:37:50THE BIG DEVELOPMENT UP NORTH IS

3:37:53THAT THAT DEVELOPER IN HIMSELF

3:37:55HAS UH THEY HAVE WENT INTO

3:37:58NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE CITY AS

3:37:59TO HOW THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR.

3:38:01I ENDED UP PAYING I THINK

3:38:05$118,000 FROM MY LOCAL POSTAGE

3:38:07STAMP LOT AND SANDOVAL ONLY

3:38:10BECAUSE IT ALREADY HAD THE

3:38:12ACCOUTERMENTS OF WATER AND

3:38:15RECYCLE AND AND ALL IRRIGATION

3:38:17ALL IN ONE ALREADY ON THAT

3:38:19WATCH YOUR THEY'RE PAYING OUT A

3:38:22LOT FOR $40,000.

3:38:26I ENDED UP PAYING $118,000 FOR

3:38:28WHAT WITH MY HOUSE ON IT.

3:38:30SO SO WE ALL PAID IN SOME WAY

3:38:33TO GET US THERE.

3:38:34HUDSON CREEK I THINK MIGHT BE

3:38:36THEY'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH US

3:38:38NOW AS TO HOW THEY'RE GOING TO

3:38:39DO IT AND WE'LL WE'LL MATTER OF

3:38:42FACT THEY'RE PUTTING SOME IN

3:38:43THE MEAN.

3:38:44UH WINES DISTRIBUTION LINES YOU

3:38:46UP THERE?

3:38:46CORRECT.

3:38:49IF YOU RECALL THEY THEY AND WE

3:38:52APPROVED.

3:38:53>> A CD.

3:38:54AND THE CD IS THE EQUIVALENT OF

3:38:56OUR ASSESSMENT SO THEY ARE

3:38:58GOING TO BE TAKING OUT DEBT.

3:38:59THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN THE

3:39:01WATER SEWER AND IRRIGATION AND

3:39:03THAT CD BILL WILL BE ON EACH

3:39:05PROPERTY INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT

3:39:06TO.

3:39:06PAY FOR.

3:39:07THE UTILITIES INSIDE THERE.

3:39:09AND A LITTLE BIT INSIDE PULLING

3:39:11THAT WHAT THEY TRIED TO DO WITH

3:39:13THEIR WITH THAT THEY CAME

3:39:15FORWARD TO US AND THEY WANTED

3:39:16TO TO DO A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE

3:39:19IN WHICH THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO

3:39:20BE UH EXCLUDED FROM OR

3:39:25ORDINANCES AND CONTROL AND OUR

3:39:27TAXATION BASE THEY WANT US TO

3:39:29DO IT THROUGH A DIFFERENT

3:39:31MECHANISM WHICH IN NO WAY IF

3:39:32YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT HERE IN

3:39:34CAPE COD, GOING TO DO IT FOR

3:39:35ALL OF THAT ORGANIZATION SO

3:39:37THAT WE CAN HELP CONTROL THAT

3:39:40AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE

3:39:43YOUR ECONOMIC BASE AND WAIT FOR

3:39:44MORE RESIDENTS TO DILUTE OUR

3:39:47RESIDENTS.

3:39:48SO THAT WAS ONE THING WHERE WE

3:39:49PUT OUR FOOT DOWN WITH THEM IN

3:39:51ORDER TO HAVE THEM BECOME PART

3:39:53OF THE CITY IN A MANNER THAT

3:39:55HELPS ALL THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE

3:39:56ALREADY HERE AND THE NEW ONES

3:39:58TO COME.

3:39:59SO THERE THERE ARE SOME OF THE

3:40:00THINGS THAT YOU MAYBE DON'T GET

3:40:04PUBLICIZED VERY WELL, BUT

3:40:05THAT'S ALL PART OF THOSE

3:40:07NEGOTIATIONS WHEN WE DO THOSE

3:40:08LARGE PROJECTS.

3:40:09UM.

3:40:10>> A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE

3:40:14LOOKED AT WITH DOING UAP AND

3:40:16AND SITTING THERE YOU MAY BE

3:40:18ABLE TO COMMENT ON THIS TOO.

3:40:19WE TALKED AT ONE TIME ABOUT YOU

3:40:22KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING

3:40:24SMALL RIGHT NOW.

3:40:25WE'RE KIND OF WE FEEL LIKE

3:40:26WE'RE RIGHT SIZED FROM A

3:40:28BONDING STANDPOINT AND A

3:40:30PROJECT SIZE AND SCOPE

3:40:32STANDPOINT SO THAT THE

3:40:34CONTRACTORS ARE AVAILABLE TO US

3:40:36IN QUANTITY, HAVE THE

3:40:38CAPABILITY OF DOING THE BONDING

3:40:40AND IT'S NOT SUCH A WORD BUT IN

3:40:43THE APPLE THAT THEY HAVE TO GO

3:40:45OUTSIDE TO BRING LABOR IN.

3:40:46WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE POTENTIAL

3:40:49TO USE A AT RISK PROJECT

3:40:52MANAGEMENT ENTITY MECHANISM TO

3:40:54DO IT.

3:40:55IN OTHER WORDS YOU GET A BIG

3:40:56GORILLA COMING IN HERE AND

3:40:58THROW SOME NAMES OUT LIKE A

3:40:59BACK DOOR OR SOMEONE LIKE THAT

3:41:01BRINGS A TON OF PEOPLE IN AND

3:41:03DOES ALL OF THEM AT ONCE.

3:41:05WELL THEY HAVE TO IMPORT PEOPLE

3:41:07HERE TO TO GET THERE.

3:41:08AND WE'RE.

3:41:10STILL I STILL WANT POTENTIAL

3:41:11FOR LOOKING AT PROJECTS FURTHER

3:41:13DOWN THE ROAD.

3:41:14BUT AS OF TODAY IN ORDER TO

3:41:16EXECUTE THIS PROJECT WE HAVE TO

3:41:18DO IT IN A TIMELY BASIS NOW

3:41:21WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN KICK IT

3:41:22DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT FOR

3:41:24WHAT NEW COUNCIL PARTICIPATE.

3:41:27WELL THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE

3:41:28CAN DISCUSS UP HERE BUT I DON'T

3:41:30THINK THAT WE WOULD BE PRUDENT

3:41:32FOR US TO PASS UH.

3:41:36THROUGH THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO

3:41:38THE PROJECTS NOW AND THEN FOR

3:41:40SOME FOR ANOTHER NINE MONTHS

3:41:42DOWN THE ROAD.

3:41:43SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING

3:41:44ABOUT IS MAYBE DETERRING AND

3:41:47SLOWING IT DOWN FOR A FEW

3:41:48WEEKS, MAYBE TO BRING SOME NEW

3:41:49THOUGHT BY COUNCIL NEW COUNCIL

3:41:52BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT

3:41:54WE'RE KICKING IT DOWN ANOTHER

3:41:55YEAR BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU IT'S

3:41:57ONLY GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE

3:41:58TO DO IT THAT WAY.

3:42:00>> UM.

3:42:04WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

3:42:05>> SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

3:42:08THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER LAST.

3:42:10DUDE I MEAN.

3:42:11WITH ALL THE LOVE COUNCIL KILL

3:42:14RAIN.

3:42:14UM, THAT.

3:42:15>> WAS A LONG SPEECH.

3:42:17UM.

3:42:17>> BUT I.

3:42:18>> UNDERSTAND AND I SEE WHERE

3:42:20YOU'RE COMING FROM AND I THINK

3:42:22WE HEARD PREVIOUSLY FROM MR.

3:42:25MASON THAT THE BIDS WOULD

3:42:26EXPIRE ON DECEMBER 3RD.

3:42:28AND I ALSO.

3:42:29THINK THAT THAT'S.

3:42:30WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE.

3:42:31>> A SPECIAL MEETING BECAUSE.

3:42:32>> WE HAVE TO HAVE.

3:42:33THE TWO HEARINGS BEFORE.

3:42:35WE AWARD.

3:42:35>> THE BIDS.

3:42:36AM I RIGHT ON THAT?

3:42:37YEAH.

3:42:38SO EVEN IF I WERE TO MAKE A

3:42:40MOTION AND I WOULD SAY WE WANT

3:42:42TO HEAR IT ON 1118 THE NIGHT

3:42:44THE NEW COUNCIL AND MAYOR ARE

3:42:45SWORN IN THAT WON'T REALLY HELP

3:42:48US.

3:42:48CORRECT.

3:42:48>> RIGHT ON.

3:42:51FOR THE WORDS WE'LL HAVE TO

3:42:52START THE PROCESS ALL OVER

3:42:54AGAIN RIGHT?

3:42:54FOR A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT UNLIKE

3:42:56A.

3:42:57REGULAR YOU HAVE TO.

3:42:58HAVE 30 DAYS BETWEEN THE

3:42:59INITIAL AND THE.

3:43:00FINAL OKAY.

3:43:01AND IF YOU ALL REMEMBER WE

3:43:03BROUGHT YOU WE BROUGHT YOU A

3:43:06TIMELINE WORKING BACK.

3:43:08THAT'S IT IF IF WE'RE GOING TO

3:43:11AWARD THIS IF WE WAITED FOR THE

3:43:13NEW COUNCIL IT WOULDN'T BE

3:43:14UNTIL JANUARY WHEN IT CAME OFF

3:43:16A HIATUS AND THEN ALL THE BIDS

3:43:18WOULD HAVE EXPIRED AND WE WOULD

3:43:19BE STARTING.

3:43:20>> ALL OVER AGAIN.

3:43:21>> SO THE ONLY WAY TO TO GET

3:43:23THIS DONE WITH THE BIDS THAT WE

3:43:26STARTED GETTING IN MAY WAS TO

3:43:28HAVE IT WITH.

3:43:29THIS COUNCIL.

3:43:30WE HAD TO WORK BACK FROM THAT

3:43:32THAT SO NOVEMBER 2ND HAD TO BE

3:43:34THE LAST DATE POSSIBLE AND THEN

3:43:3730 DAYS PLUS WORKING BACK FROM

3:43:41THERE.

3:43:41OKAY SO.

3:43:42>> IF I MAKE THE MOTION TO

3:43:44POSTPONE THIS AND IT'S LOOKING

3:43:47LIKE.

3:43:47UH WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

3:43:48>> THIS WHOLE.

3:43:49PROCESS AGAIN.

3:43:50>> SO YOU SAID SEVEN MONTHS 14

3:43:51MONTHS CORRECT.

3:43:54I SAID SEVEN MONTHS.

3:43:55I WAS TALKING ABOUT FROM

3:43:57STARTING THE BIDDING PROCESS

3:43:59ALL OVER THERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO

3:44:01HAD ASKED CAN THIS TO BE

3:44:03DELAYED?

3:44:03YES.

3:44:03THEN THERE WAS SOMEBODY THAT

3:44:04ASKED COULD WE HAVE A

3:44:06SUBCOMMITTEE LIKE A UTILITY

3:44:08COMMITTEE WHICH WE DID HAVE AT

3:44:10ONE TIME HERE THAT LOOKED AT

3:44:12ALL OF THIS COLLECTION SYSTEMS

3:44:14ASSESSMENTS.

3:44:15WE'VE BEEN.

3:44:16>> HERE I DON'T YOU KNOW I KNOW

3:44:18SOME RESIDENTS MAYBE KNEW THIS

3:44:21PROGRAM HAS BEEN GOING BEEN

3:44:22GOING ON WE'VE HAD COUNCIL

3:44:24COMMITTEES.

3:44:24WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT COUNCILS

3:44:26CHANGE WE'VE HAD STAFF CHANGE.

3:44:27WE'VE HAD PRIVATE CONTRACTORS

3:44:29WE'VE HAD WE HAVE LOOKED AT

3:44:31THIS EXHAUSTIVELY FOR OVER TWO

3:44:34DECADES.

3:44:34IT STARTED EVEN IN THE 80S.

3:44:37COUNCILMEMBER KILLEEN TALKED

3:44:38ABOUT WE AT ONE POINT HAD A 13

3:44:42SQUARE MILE UP 13MI2.

3:44:45THEN WE WENT TO ONE.

3:44:48>> SQUARE.

3:44:48MILE AND THAT WAS WHERE WE

3:44:49STARTED THE SOUTHWEST ONE

3:44:50SOUTHWEST TWO SOUTHWEST THREE.

3:44:53THEN IN SIX SEVEN WE THOUGHT

3:44:55OKAY THAT'S.

3:44:56TOO SMALL.

3:44:56>> TO COUNCIL MEMBER LONG'S

3:44:57POINT.

3:44:58THE SMALLER YOU MAKE THEM THE

3:45:00LONGER YOU'RE YOU'RE.

3:45:01ELONGATING THE TIME IT TAKES TO

3:45:03GET THROUGH THE CITY AND YOU'RE

3:45:05JUST ADDING THAT INFLATIONARY

3:45:07PRESSURE ON ALL OF THE UPS

3:45:09AFTER.

3:45:09SO WE WENT FROM 13MI2 TO 1MI2

3:45:13TO SOUTHWEST SIX AND SEVEN

3:45:15WHICH WAS TWO SQUARE MILES

3:45:17BECAUSE IT WAS SIX AND SEVEN.

3:45:19THEN WE WENT NORTH UPON OUR OWN

3:45:21ROAD.

3:45:22WE WENT TO FOUR SQUARE.

3:45:24>> MILES.

3:45:24IN NORTH TWO.

3:45:26THEN IN NORTH ONE IT WAS ALSO

3:45:31FOUR SQUARE MILES BUT WE HAD

3:45:32LEARNED THAT NORTH TWO WAS TWO

3:45:34TWO UNWIELDY FOUR SQUARE MILES

3:45:36WAS TOO MUCH.

3:45:37SO WE SPLIT NORTH ONE INTO A

3:45:40NORTH ONE EAST AND A NORTH ONE

3:45:41WEST.

3:45:41WE WENT BACK TO TWO SQUARE.

3:45:43>> MILES.

3:45:44.

3:45:45>> SO WE HAVE.

3:45:46THIS IS I MEAN WE HAVE BEEN.

3:45:47DIALING THIS PROGRAM IN AND

3:45:49LOOKING AT ALL THE DIFFERENT

3:45:50WAYS TO SPLIT UP THE COSTS.

3:45:52WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL THE

3:45:53DIFFERENT WAYS OF BIDDING THE

3:45:54PROJECTS WE'VE LOOKED AT, ALL

3:45:55THE DIFFERENT COLLECTION

3:45:56METHODS TO COLLECT THE SEWER.

3:45:58WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL THE

3:45:59DIFFERENT SIZES, THE RIGHT

3:46:00SIZE, GETTING THE MAXIMUM

3:46:02AMOUNT OF BUYING POWER IN THE

3:46:05PROCUREMENT OF THE PIPES AND

3:46:06THE EQUIPMENT IN THE ASPHALT.

3:46:07TO THE BIDS.

3:46:09WE CAN DO ALL OF THAT AGAIN

3:46:13WHAT I WAS SAYING IS SEVEN

3:46:14MONTHS FOR THE BIDDING PROCESS

3:46:16FROM START TO FINISH AND IF YOU

3:46:17WANT TO DO A COMMITTEE

3:46:19PRECEDING THAT WHATEVER TIME

3:46:22YOU GIVE THEM TO DO THEIR

3:46:23ANALYSIS SIX MONTHS A YEAR ADD

3:46:26THAT PLUS THE SEVEN MONTHS.

3:46:27YEAH.

3:46:28>> SO WE'RE LOOKING AT

3:46:30POTENTIALLY A YEAR AND A HALF.

3:46:31SO YOU COULD HAVE A COUNCIL

3:46:33COME IN ON NOVEMBER 3RD WHO WHO

3:46:35LEGITIMATELY MAY NOT WANT TO DO

3:46:38ANYTHING.

3:46:38MHM.

3:46:39>> AND THEY COULD JUST DEFER

3:46:40FOR TWO YEARS.

3:46:41UM YEAH THEY NEVER HAVE.

3:46:43>> TO VOTE ON AN UP.

3:46:44EVER I.

3:46:45>> DON'T RECOMMEND WE DO THAT.

3:46:46MY CONCERN IS THAT THE COST

3:46:48WILL ONLY GO UP UM AND THAT IS

3:46:51MY CONCERN NOW WHAT I THOUGHT

3:46:53OF DOING WAS MAKING A MOTION

3:46:55AND TABLING THIS TILL.

3:46:57NOVEMBER 18TH.

3:46:57BUT AS YOU JUST.

3:46:58EXPLAINED, THAT REALLY DOESN'T

3:47:00MATTER BECAUSE.

3:47:01>> WE'RE.

3:47:02STILL LOOKING AT A YEAR AND A

3:47:03HALF DOWN THE ROAD.

3:47:05NOW KEEP IN MIND I NEED GOING

3:47:08BACK TO MY DISCUSSION WITH

3:47:09COUNCIL MEMBER LONG.

3:47:11WE HAVE MADE COMMITMENTS TO THE

3:47:14WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IN

3:47:15THE DEP THAT AS SOON AS WE ARE

3:47:17DONE WITH NORTH THREE WE ARE

3:47:19GOING IN THE NORTH SIX WE ARE

3:47:22EXPANDING A WASTE UH A WATER

3:47:23PLANT AND WE ARE BUILDING A

3:47:26NORTH WATER REC FACILITY.

3:47:29SO TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU DELAY

3:47:32THIS.

3:47:32YOU WILL BE AFFECTING THE RATES

3:47:35IN THE WATER AND SEWER UTILITY

3:47:37BECAUSE WE'RE PLANNING ON

3:47:38HAVING THOSE USERS ONLINE TO

3:47:40SUPPORT THAT WASTEWATER

3:47:42FACILITY AND THAT WATER PLANT

3:47:43EXPANSION.

3:47:44SO THAT PUSHES ALL THAT BACK AS

3:47:45WELL CORRECT.

3:47:48>> IT WILL THE THE THE BILLS

3:47:50WILL COME DUE BUT THERE WON'T

3:47:51BE AS MANY RATEPAYERS ON THE

3:47:54SYSTEM.

3:47:54AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT

3:47:56MAKING A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT,

3:47:58PULLING MORE MONEY OUT OF

3:47:59GENERAL FUND FROM.

3:48:01EVERYONE CORRECT.

3:48:02OR RAISING WATER AND SEWER

3:48:04RATES TO EVERYBODY THAT'S ON.

3:48:05TO MAKE DEBT SERVICE COVERED.

3:48:07I JUST.

3:48:08>> DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

3:48:09ALL RIGHT I'LL PAUSE THE MOMENT

3:48:11.

3:48:11THANK YOU.

3:48:12THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM.

3:48:13THANK YOU.

3:48:14>> UM, I'VE GOT A FEW MORE

3:48:15LIGHTS ON HERE, BUT THERE ARE,

3:48:17UH, REPEATS OF I'LL CHIME IN

3:48:19MYSELF.

3:48:19UH, FOR THE FIRST TIME I I DO

3:48:22WANT TO, UH, TAKE EXCEPTION

3:48:23WITH ONE OF THE SPEAKERS UH,

3:48:25THAT UM, SAID THAT THEY

3:48:27COMPLAINED ABOUT UH, THE REASON

3:48:29WHY WE'RE BEING HERE IS THIS

3:48:31COUNCIL'S LACK OF ACTION.

3:48:33UM, I CAN I CAN HONESTLY SAY

3:48:35FROM THE DAY THAT I STARTED IN

3:48:37MY POSITION THIS HAS BEEN ON

3:48:38OUR PLATE IN ONE FORM OR

3:48:41FASHION.

3:48:42UM, WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH

3:48:43THIS, UH, FOR ALMOST THE FOUR

3:48:46YEARS THAT.

3:48:47>> I'VE BEEN HERE.

3:48:47SO IT'S NOT BEEN A MATTER OF

3:48:49LACK OF ACTION.

3:48:50IT'S BEEN A MATTER OF ONE THING

3:48:51HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE ANOTHER.

3:48:54UM.

3:48:54>> AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT

3:48:56THAT WE FELT HAD TO HAPPEN IS

3:48:59WE HAD TO EXHAUST EVERY

3:49:01POTENTIAL FOR REVENUE OUTSIDE

3:49:03OF PROPERTY OWNERS DOLLARS AND

3:49:06I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND SAY

3:49:07THAT I PERSONALLY MET WITH OUR

3:49:11LEGISLATORS IN TALLAHASSEE

3:49:14LOBBYING FOR FIRST THE $25

3:49:16MILLION GRANT THAT WE GOT AND

3:49:19THEN THE $6.5 MILLION.

3:49:21GRANT THAT WE GOT.

3:49:23AND SO BEFORE WE COMMITTED TO

3:49:26HOW WE WERE GOING TO USE THOSE

3:49:27DOLLARS, WE WERE FIGHTING FOR

3:49:29THOSE DOLLARS IN TALLAHASSEE.

3:49:32NOW THAT ALL DOESN'T HAPPEN IN

3:49:33A PUBLIC MEETING LIKE THIS, BUT

3:49:36IT DOES COME UP IN THE MEETINGS

3:49:38WHEN WE MAKE OUR REPORTS AND

3:49:39SAY WHERE WE WERE WHEN WE WERE

3:49:41THERE AND WHAT WE DID.

3:49:42SO ON MANY OCCASIONS IN THE

3:49:44PAST WE TALKED ABOUT THE

3:49:46EFFORTS THAT WERE PUT FORWARD

3:49:48IN AN EFFORT TO DEFRAY THESE

3:49:50COSTS IN ANY WAY THAT WE

3:49:51POSSIBLY COULD.

3:49:54UM I DO HAVE A QUESTION THAT

3:49:59HASN'T BEEN UH, HANDLED YET AND

3:50:01THERE WAS A UM A COMMENT MADE

3:50:05THAT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH

3:50:07NOW IS THE COST NOT TO EXCEED

3:50:11AND THAT THESE TWO BE

3:50:13DETERMINES WE'RE BASING THOSE

3:50:17ON SOME DATA THAT WE DO.

3:50:19HAVE CORRECT BILL.

3:50:26OF COURSE THAT IS CORRECT.

3:50:28SO WE HAVE RECEIVED BIDS ON

3:50:29PERSONS CONTRACTS.

3:50:31WE HAVE ESTABLISHED UNIT COST.

3:50:34UM UTILIZED I RECEIVED.

3:50:38THOSE CONTRACTS TO DETERMINE

3:50:39THE TBD NOT TO EXCEED FOR

3:50:42CONTRACTS SEVEN AND EIGHT OKAY

3:50:43.

3:50:43>> AND SO IF IF THIS

3:50:46LEGISLATION WERE WERE TO MOVE

3:50:49FORWARD AND UM WE WERE WRONG

3:50:54AND THOSE COSTS THAT UH WILL

3:50:58ULTIMATELY BE ESTABLISHED ON

3:50:59THE TO BE DETERMINES WERE TO BE

3:51:02GREATER THAN WHAT WE THINK THEY

3:51:03ARE, THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN?

3:51:05I'LL JUST SPEAK TO THE UNIT

3:51:06COST AND THEN I'LL DEFER TO

3:51:08FINANCE TO UH TALK ABOUT THE

3:51:10ALTERNATIVE.

3:51:11BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS PURSUANT

3:51:12TO WHAT THE CITY MANAGER SAID

3:51:13PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE FIRST

3:51:14CONTRACT COMING IN AND THE

3:51:15SECOND ONE COMING IN AND

3:51:17FURTHER ON, UH, YOU SEE THE

3:51:19CONTRACTORS UM, SHARPENING

3:51:20THEIR PENCIL RIGHT, BRINGING IN

3:51:22THE MOST COMPETITIVE COST AS A

3:51:24COMPETITIVELY SOLICITED PROJECT

3:51:25AND THEY'RE UP AGAINST EACH

3:51:28OTHER.

3:51:28AND SO WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING

3:51:29IS YOU WHITTLE DOWN THOSE UNIT

3:51:30COSTS, UH, AS YOU GO THROUGH

3:51:32THE BIDDING PROCESS.

3:51:33SO, UH, FROM AN ENGINEERING

3:51:35PERSPECTIVE AND CONSTRUCTION

3:51:36PERSPECTIVE WE WOULD NOT

3:51:37ANTICIPATE TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE

3:51:38DESCRIBING, HOWEVER, HOW IT

3:51:39WOULD BE HANDLED FROM A UH,

3:51:41FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE.

3:51:42I CAN DEFER TO ONE OF OUR

3:51:44FINANCE STAFF.

3:51:45OKAY.

3:51:46>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

3:51:50MARK MASON ASSISTANT CITY

3:51:51MANAGER.

3:51:52IF THAT WERE TO.

3:51:52OCCUR, UH, WE'D HAVE TO COME.

3:51:55>> BACK AND REASSESS.

3:51:57OKAY.

3:51:58I'M IT IN THE 30 YEARS.

3:52:00OF.

3:52:00>> UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE.

3:52:02NUMBER OF ASSESSMENTS THAT

3:52:03WE'VE DONE HERE.

3:52:04UH.

3:52:04>> THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED.

3:52:05SO AND I.

3:52:06>> DON'T EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN

3:52:07THIS TIME AROUND.

3:52:08OKAY.

3:52:09>> THANK YOU.

3:52:10AND UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT UM,

3:52:13PREVIOUSLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT

3:52:14SOME GRANTS UM, THAT WE ARE

3:52:17STILL HOPING FOR APPLIED FOR

3:52:19BUT WE'VE NOT GOT AN ANSWER ON

3:52:21THEM.

3:52:21IF THIS WERE TO GET DELAYED,

3:52:24WOULD THOSE GRANTS HAVE TO GET

3:52:25REAPPLIED FOR AND COULD WE MISS

3:52:28THE GRANT CYCLE THAT WE'RE

3:52:30INVOLVED IN RIGHT NOW?

3:52:33YES.

3:52:33>> UH, SO UH THESE GRANTS ARE

3:52:35FUNDED THROUGH UH ANNUAL FISCAL

3:52:38CYCLES AS YOU JUST MENTIONED.

3:52:39SO UH, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A

3:52:41PROJECT AND MOST OF THESE

3:52:42GRANTS REQUIRE THAT THE PROJECT

3:52:43IS SHOVEL READY, UH, IF YOU DO

3:52:45NOT HAVE THOSE PROJECTS SHOVEL

3:52:47READY FUNDED, THEY TYPICALLY DO

3:52:49NOT PROVIDE.

3:52:50GRANT AWARD.

3:52:50>> FOR THOSE THAT'S TYPICALLY

3:52:52INTO IN UH POINT MATRIX THAT

3:52:53THEY EVALUATE THE APPLICATIONS

3:52:55.

3:52:56OKAY.

3:52:57>> UM THANK YOU.

3:53:01UM.

3:53:06I CAN ONLY AGREE WITH A COUPLE

3:53:07OF OTHER COMMENTS THAT HAPPEN

3:53:08BEFORE US AND THAT'S UM IT

3:53:10DOESN'T GET ANY CHEAPER THAN

3:53:12NOW.

3:53:13UH, AND SO UH, KICKING THE CAN

3:53:15DOWN THE ROAD DOES SAVE IT

3:53:17TODAY BUT IT DOES MAKE IT MORE

3:53:19EXPENSIVE TOMORROW, UH, AND

3:53:21WE'LL BE BACK IN THE SAME ROOM

3:53:23WHEN IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE ONE TO

3:53:26KICK IT DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN.

3:53:28UH.

3:53:29>> SO, UM, THAT'S THAT'S ALL I

3:53:33HAVE TO SAY FOR NOW.

3:53:34I STILL HAVE, UH, SEVERAL

3:53:35LIGHTS ON.

3:53:36UH, COUNCIL MEMBER LAYMAN.

3:53:39OKAY, UM, ONE QUESTION, MR.

3:53:42CITY MANAGER UM, YEAH, I GOT A

3:53:46TEXT FROM SOMEONE THAT ASKED ME

3:53:47ABOUT THIS.

3:53:48UM, WHEN SOUTHWEST WAS DONE IN

3:53:52THE INTEREST OF EQUALITY IN

3:53:55ADDITION TO THE QUESTION I

3:53:56ASKED BEFORE WERE SIDEWALKS

3:53:59INCLUDED IN THE ROADS?

3:54:03IN IN WHICH WELL, I'LL JUST SAY

3:54:06IN.

3:54:07SOUTHWEST WHEN WE PUT WHEN WE

3:54:09DID THE CITY UH WATER SEWER AND

3:54:13IRRIGATION AND THE ROADS WERE

3:54:17INCLUDED WERE THE SIDEWALKS

3:54:19INCLUDED IN THAT TOO?

3:54:20NO THERE WERE THERE WERE NO

3:54:22SIDEWALKS IN THE.

3:54:23THERE WERE NO SIDEWALKS IN

3:54:25THAT.

3:54:25NO SIDEWALKS.

3:54:27CAME MANY YEARS LATER.

3:54:30OKAY.

3:54:30>> AFTER THE AFTER THE

3:54:31UTILITIES.

3:54:33SO IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF.

3:54:36TAKING OUT THE SIDEWALKS TO

3:54:39MAKE THE COST A LITTLE LOWER?

3:54:41YES.

3:54:42>> YOU COULD NOT AWARD THE

3:54:43SIDEWALK COMPONENT OF THAT AND

3:54:44THEY JUST NOT BE BUILT.

3:54:47OKAY.

3:54:48>> ALL RIGHT THANK.

3:54:49YOU THANK YOU.

3:54:54ALL RIGHT.

3:54:55>>.

3:54:56>> UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

3:54:58MAY I MAY I YES.

3:54:59WE'RE WE'RE NOT BUILDING

3:55:02SIDEWALKS AS PART OF NORTH

3:55:03THREE.

3:55:04IT'S A TEN FOOT MULTI USE PATH.

3:55:06IT'S ESSENTIALLY TWO SIDEWALKS

3:55:10NEXT TO EACH OTHER ON BOTH

3:55:12SIDES OF THE ROAD TO

3:55:14ACCOMMODATE LOW SPEED YOU KNOW

3:55:16GOLF CARTS BICYCLES WALKERS

3:55:20RUNNERS IT'S IT'S MUCH MORE

3:55:23THAN A SIDEWALK.

3:55:25IT'S IT'S THERE I DON'T KNOW IF

3:55:28WE HAVE DO WE HAVE UH DO WE

3:55:31HAVE SUN TRAILS UM IS IT 10 OR

3:55:3312FT MAYBE.

3:55:36WHAT IS WHAT IS THE CLOSEST

3:55:38THAT WE WOULD EVEN.

3:55:38WITH DEL PRADO LINEAR PARK?

3:55:41THERE YOU GO.

3:55:42SO WE'RE BASICALLY DEL PRADO

3:55:45LINEAR PARK HAS MEANDERING TEN

3:55:47FOOT MULTI-USE PATHS ON EITHER

3:55:50SIDE OF THE ROAD.

3:55:51THAT'S WHAT IS WAS IS PLANNED

3:55:53FOR GOING UH IN NORTH THREE A

3:55:56COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

3:55:58CROSS-SECTION, COMPLETELY

3:55:59DIFFERENT LIVING EXPERIENCE

3:56:01THAN WHAT IS ANYWHERE ELSE IN

3:56:03THE CITY.

3:56:03SO THIS IS IN THE INTEREST OF

3:56:05SAFETY.

3:56:06UH.

3:56:07>> IT WAS A PREFERENCE.

3:56:08THE REASON THAT THE REASON THAT

3:56:10IT IS NOT ON THE ROAD IS TO GET

3:56:14WALKERS AND BICYCLISTS AND

3:56:17JOGGERS PEOPLE WALKING THEIR

3:56:18PETS OFF THE ROAD THAT IS IN

3:56:20THE INTEREST OF SAFETY.

3:56:21BUT THAT'S NOT THE PRINCIPAL

3:56:22PURPOSE FOR DOING IT.

3:56:23ALL RIGHT.

3:56:24>> THANK YOU FOR THE

3:56:25CLARIFICATION.

3:56:26THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

3:56:26MAYOR PRO TEM, I'M GOING TO

3:56:28MAKE THE MOTION TO.

3:56:29PAUSE TO SUSPEND THIS UNTIL.

3:56:32AFTER THE.

3:56:33NOVEMBER 3RD ELECTION EVEN IF

3:56:34IT MEANS IT GOES ANOTHER 18

3:56:36MONTHS AND THE COST IS HIGHER.

3:56:38UH, WHICH WILL SADDEN ME, BUT I

3:56:40AM GOING TO MAKE THAT MOTION.

3:56:43UH, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

3:56:45>> I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I'LL

3:56:46SECOND THE.

3:56:47MOTION FOR DISCUSSION.

3:56:47THANK YOU.

3:56:48>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A

3:56:49SECOND AND I STILL HAVE MORE

3:56:51LIGHTS ON SO WE'LL BE BRINGING

3:56:52UP MORE CONVERSATION.

3:56:54UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A

3:56:57SECOND.

3:56:58UH, LET ME GET TO A COUPLE THAT

3:57:01HAVE HAVE NOT SPOKEN YET AND

3:57:02THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU.

3:57:03HAVE YOU ASKED ABOUT, UH, MAYOR

3:57:05GUNTER AS WELL?

3:57:06YES.

3:57:06>> OKAY.

3:57:07UM, LET'S MOVE TO, UH, COUNCIL

3:57:08MEMBER CRADDOCK.

3:57:11THANK YOU.

3:57:12UH.

3:57:14I KNOW THAT WE'VE ALREADY

3:57:15DISCUSSED THIS, BUT JUST TO.

3:57:16CONFIRM ONCE AGAIN, MR. MASON,

3:57:19THE ROUNDABOUTS.

3:57:20WILL BE PAID FOR BY IMPACT.

3:57:22FEES AND ALL OF US NOT JUST

3:57:24THE, UH, PEOPLE IN THE UP NORTH

3:57:27THREE.

3:57:30IMPACT FEES ARE PAID BY NEW

3:57:33CONSTRUCTION AND.

3:57:34SO IT WOULD BE NEW

3:57:34CONSTRUCTION.

3:57:35WITHIN THE CITY AND.

3:57:36UH, IT WOULD NOT BE PAID FOR.

3:57:39AND WHAT WAS THE REST OF THE

3:57:41QUESTION?

3:57:41THE ROUNDABOUTS SPECIFICALLY

3:57:43ARE PAID FOR BY ALL OF US

3:57:45WITHIN.

3:57:45>> THE CITY.

3:57:46BY IMPACT FEES FOR NEW

3:57:48CONSTRUCTION.

3:57:49YES, YES.

3:57:49THANK YOU.

3:57:50>> I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM

3:57:52KEVIN BLACK THAT.

3:57:52SAYS THE A WAS NEVER ADVISED

3:57:54DURING THE SURVEY AND FEEDBACK

3:57:55PROCESS.

3:57:56THE ALTERNATIVE FIVE OR THE

3:57:57ROUNDABOUTS WOULD ULTIMATELY.

3:57:58>> BECOME.

3:57:59PART OF.

3:57:59>> THE UP.

3:58:00SO I WANTED TO CLEAR THE RECORD

3:58:01.

3:58:02WE ALL THAT DON'T LIVE IN.

3:58:04THE NORTHWEST ARE STILL PAYING

3:58:05.

3:58:06>> FOR.

3:58:06THOSE ROUNDABOUTS UM

3:58:08SPECIFICALLY.

3:58:11THE MARCH 12TH, 2025

3:58:13PRESENTATION BUT YOU GUYS CAN

3:58:14GO PULL FROM THE COMMITTEE OF

3:58:15THE WHOLE THE DATE.

3:58:17>> AND THE NAME OF IT SAYS.

3:58:18NORTH THREE UP ROADWAY CROSS

3:58:21SECTION OPTIONS.

3:58:23>> SO FOR HIM TO SEND THIS

3:58:23EMAIL.

3:58:24>> OUT RIGHT NOW WHILE WE'RE

3:58:25ALL SITTING.

3:58:25HERE JUST WANT TO CORRECT THE

3:58:26RECORD WE'RE ALL PAYING FOR

3:58:27THESE ROUNDABOUTS NOT JUST YOU.

3:58:29GUYS AND SPECIFICALLY THEY

3:58:31PICKED THIS SECTION FIVE

3:58:34ALTERNATE FIVE WITH CROSSWAY

3:58:35SECTIONS THAT.

3:58:36OUR CITY MANAGER JUST

3:58:37EXPLAINED.

3:58:39SIMILAR TO.

3:58:39>> THE LINEAR PARK.

3:58:41SO THAT WAS A CHOICE THAT WAS

3:58:43MADE.

3:58:44>> A YEAR AND.

3:58:44>> A HALF.

3:58:45AGO AND I DON'T APPRECIATE.

3:58:45THESE EMAILS COMING IN WITH

3:58:47FALSE INFORMATION GOING OUT TO

3:58:48YOU GUYS IF.

3:58:49>> YOU REMEMBER THAT'S ALL.

3:58:50>> THANK YOU.

3:58:55I'VE GOT UH, MAYOR GUNTER UH,

3:58:59COMING THROUGH ELECTRONICALLY.

3:59:00THE MAJORITY.

3:59:02THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM UH.

3:59:04DIA, CAN YOU HEAR ME?

3:59:05YES.

3:59:06>> OKAY.

3:59:07>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

3:59:08UH.

3:59:09>> JUST A FEW COMMENTS.

3:59:10>> I.

3:59:10WANTED TO.

3:59:11>> MAKE, UH, IN.

3:59:12REFERENCE TO SOME OF THE

3:59:13SPEAKERS.

3:59:14AND UH.

3:59:15SOME OF THE DISCUSSION.

3:59:16THAT WE ARE HAVING.

3:59:18YOU KNOW, FIRST AND FOREMOST,

3:59:20IF YOU LOOK BACK.

3:59:21HISTORICALLY.

3:59:22>> UM, THESE.

3:59:23TYPES OF MEETINGS.

3:59:24>> WHEN IT COMES TO.

3:59:25UP UM.

3:59:27TYPICALLY ALWAYS.

3:59:28HAS A PACKED HOUSE.

3:59:30AND IT'S.

3:59:31NEVER THE.

3:59:31>> BEST TIME IN ORDER TO PUT

3:59:34SOME TYPE OF UH, LEGISLATION.

3:59:37FORWARD TO.

3:59:38ENACT THESE UPS.

3:59:40SO DOES DOESN'T MATTER IF.

3:59:41>> WE'RE DOING IT.

3:59:42TODAY IF WE.

3:59:43>> DID IT 20.

3:59:44YEARS AGO, TEN YEARS.

3:59:45AGO OR IF.

3:59:46IT'S 10 OR 20 YEARS INTO THE.

3:59:48FUTURE.

3:59:48>> I GUARANTEE.

3:59:49YOU ALWAYS.

3:59:50>> GOING TO HAVE A PACKED HOUSE

3:59:51AND EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS GOING

3:59:53TO.

3:59:53SAY THAT.

3:59:54>> THIS ISN'T.

3:59:54>> THE BEST.

3:59:55TIME TO DO IT.

3:59:56BUT I.

3:59:57>> THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT I.

4:00:00THINK WHAT.

4:00:01>> IS IS IMPORTANT.

4:00:03IS TO.

4:00:05LOOK AT THE DATA.

4:00:06AS COUNCIL MEMBER DONNELL

4:00:09STATED.

4:00:09EARLIER IN HIS COMMENTS.

4:00:11WE ALREADY HAVE THE HISTORIC.

4:00:13DATA THAT SHOWS.

4:00:15IF WE PUSHED THE.

4:00:17UPS OFF.

4:00:18NO MATTER IF IT'S.

4:00:20THIS ONE.

4:00:20OR ANY OF.

4:00:22>> THE ONES THAT WE'VE DONE.

4:00:23>> IN THE PAST.

4:00:24IT'S ALWAYS COST.

4:00:25>> US MORE MONEY.

4:00:27IN THE LONG RUN.

4:00:29SO FOR ME.

4:00:31I THINK WHAT.

4:00:32WE SHOULD BE DOING AS A

4:00:34COUNCIL.

4:00:35IS TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST.

4:00:36DECISION AND THE.

4:00:38CHEAPEST DECISION FOR.

4:00:40>> THE RESIDENTS THAT.

4:00:41WILL BE.

4:00:42IMPACTED IN.

4:00:44THIS UP.

4:00:44PROJECT IF.

4:00:46WE HOLD.

4:00:47OFF AND WE DON'T DO THIS

4:00:49PROJECT.

4:00:49AND AS WE'VE.

4:00:51HEARD ALREADY TONIGHT, THERE IS

4:00:53.

4:00:54A TIMELINE WITH THE.

4:00:55BIDS THAT WE.

4:00:56HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED.

4:00:57SO IF WE PUSH.

4:00:58THIS OFF.

4:01:00THEN THOSE BIDS WILL NO LONGER

4:01:02BE VALID.

4:01:03SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT

4:01:05THIS ENTIRE PROJECT.

4:01:06BACK OUT TO BID.

4:01:08I GUARANTEE YOU IF WE COME.

4:01:10BACK 12 TO 18 MONTHS FROM NOW

4:01:13NO.

4:01:13MATTER WHO IS.

4:01:15SITTING IN.

4:01:16THE CHAIRS THAT ARE UP FRONT.

4:01:19THE COST IS.

4:01:20GOING TO BE HIGHER.

4:01:22THAN THAN IT IS.

4:01:23TODAY AND.

4:01:27THE DATA.

4:01:27TELLS US THIS.

4:01:28AS COUNCIL MEMBER DARNELL SAID.

4:01:30>> TAKE THE.

4:01:31FEELINGS OUT OF IT.

4:01:32AND MAKE YOUR DECISION BASED ON

4:01:35DATA.

4:01:37I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER.

4:01:39CONCERNING UH.

4:01:40,REMARKS THAT.

4:01:41>> I HEARD AND.

4:01:42UH, AS.

4:01:42>> MAYOR PRO.

4:01:43TEM YOU BROUGHT IT UP.

4:01:45REGARDING GRANTS.

4:01:46I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS

4:01:48COUNCIL OVER THE LAST FEW.

4:01:51YEARS HAVE GOTTEN.

4:01:53MORE AND.

4:01:54RECEIVED MORE.

4:01:55GRANT MONEY.

4:01:56FOR UAP PROJECTS.

4:01:58THAN IN.

4:01:59>> THE ALMOST.

4:02:0055 YEAR.

4:02:01HISTORY OF OUR CITY.

4:02:04WE WERE ABLE TO AND I WAS ONE

4:02:06OF THE INDIVIDUALS UH, ALONG.

4:02:08WITH OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS

4:02:09THAT.

4:02:09ADVOCATED IN TALLAHASSEE FOR.

4:02:12>> THESE GRANTS.

4:02:13ONE WAS THE $25 MILLION GRANT,

4:02:16THE OTHER ONE WAS A 6.5

4:02:18MILLION.

4:02:18SO IT'S.

4:02:19>> 31.5 MILLION.

4:02:21>> THAT.

4:02:22WE BROUGHT BACK TO.

4:02:23>> THE CITY.

4:02:23OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS WITH

4:02:26GRANT OPPORTUNITIES NOW.

4:02:28WE'VE APPLIED FOR OTHER GRANTS

4:02:29THAT WERE.

4:02:30THAT HAS.

4:02:31>> NOT BEEN AWARDED.

4:02:32AND I.

4:02:33REMEMBER SPEAKING WITH A COUPLE

4:02:34UH, YOU.

4:02:36>> KNOW.

4:02:36WITH OUR.

4:02:36>> LOBBYISTS AND SOME OTHER

4:02:38LEGISLATORS REGARDING SOME.

4:02:39>> OF THE OTHER GRANTS THAT WE.

4:02:40APPLIED FOR.

4:02:41YOU KNOW, WE.

4:02:43WE WERE PROBABLY ONE OF THE

4:02:45FIRST CITIES TO GET THAT $25

4:02:47MILLION GRANT.

4:02:47YEAH.

4:02:48>> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO

4:02:50GET IT AGAIN.

4:02:51BUT WE.

4:02:51HAVE TO REMEMBER.

4:02:52>> THERE'S.

4:02:53411 CITIES.

4:02:54AND 67 COUNTIES AND.

4:02:56THERE'S ONLY.

4:02:56SO MUCH GRANT.

4:02:57MONEY GOING.

4:02:59AROUND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE

4:03:00OUR LEGISLATORS.

4:03:02CUTTING STATE BUDGETS.

4:03:04TYPICALLY ONE OF THE THINGS

4:03:05THAT YOU.

4:03:06SEE WHEN YOU SEE CUTS UH, IS

4:03:09THE GRANT MONEY.

4:03:10SO SOME OF.

4:03:11THAT GRANT.

4:03:12>> MONEY IS DRYING UP.

4:03:13BUT I.

4:03:15WANT TO.

4:03:15>> ALSO REMIND EVERYBODY THE

4:03:186.5.

4:03:19>> MILLION.

4:03:19THAT WE HAD.

4:03:20RECEIVED FOR THE IRRIGATION.

4:03:21ASPECT UH, OF NORTH ONE.

4:03:24WE GOT.

4:03:26AFTER THE FACT AFTER WE.

4:03:28>> HAD.

4:03:28ALREADY APPROVED.

4:03:29THE ASSESSMENT AND THE PROJECT

4:03:31STARTED.

4:03:31MOVING FORWARD.

4:03:32SO JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE

4:03:34GRANT MONEY TODAY DOESN'T MEAN.

4:03:37>> WE CAN'T APPLY FOR.

4:03:39>> IT IN A FUTURE.

4:03:40IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND STILL.

4:03:42APPLY IT TO THIS PARTICULAR UP

4:03:44.

4:03:44WE'VE DONE IT IN.

4:03:45>> THE.

4:03:46PAST SO.

4:03:47>> I THINK THAT'S VERY.

4:03:48IMPORTANT TO MENTION.

4:03:49THE OTHER.

4:03:50THING UH I HEARD.

4:03:51TONIGHT WAS.

4:03:54WELL.

4:03:55>> YOU KNOW, MAYBE.

4:03:55WE CAN.

4:03:57PUT OUT.

4:03:58>> AND WE CAN DO AS FAR AS THE

4:03:59CITY CAN DO SOME OF THE WORK.

4:04:02AND AND THEN JUST OUTSOURCE

4:04:05SOME SOME OTHER PART OF THE

4:04:06PROJECT TO TRY TO LOWER THE

4:04:08COST.

4:04:10UNFORTUNATELY OUR.

4:04:11STATE LEGISLATION A COUPLE OF

4:04:13YEARS AGO.

4:04:14TIED OUR HANDS AND.

4:04:16THAT IS TODAY.

4:04:19NOT POSSIBLE.

4:04:20THEY PASSED UH STATE

4:04:23LEGISLATION 2255 .20.

4:04:26IT STATES THAT ANY.

4:04:28PROJECT OVER THE COST OF.

4:04:31$300,000.

4:04:32>> NO MATTER.

4:04:33>> IF IT'S A MUNICIPALITY OR A

4:04:35COUNTY MUST AND I REPEAT MUST

4:04:38PUT THAT OUT FOR.

4:04:40>> A BID.

4:04:42IT'S NOT.

4:04:43THAT MAYBE.

4:04:43THEY CAN.

4:04:44IT IS WE ARE COMPELLED BY

4:04:48STATUTE TO PUT THAT PROJECT NO

4:04:50MATTER WHAT THE PROJECT IS.

4:04:51IF IT'S.

4:04:53$300,000 OR MORE.

4:04:55SO IF WE.

4:04:57THINK THAT WE CAN GO TO.

4:04:59TALLAHASSEE AND THIS WAS.

4:05:01SOMETHING THAT OUR STATE

4:05:03LEGISLATORS UH, PUSHED FOR,

4:05:05THIS WASN'T SOMETHING THAT OUR

4:05:07MUNICIPALITIES OR THE COUNTY

4:05:08PAY FOR AND THIS ONLY HAPPENED

4:05:11THE LAST FEW YEARS SAID, YOU

4:05:13KNOW, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL

4:05:14YEARS THAT THIS UH THIS

4:05:17LEGISLATION WAS PASSED.

4:05:18SO TO THANK THAT WE WILL GO TO

4:05:20TALLAHASSEE AND POSSIBLY CHANGE

4:05:22THEIR MINDS I THINK UH WOULD BE

4:05:26HIGHLY UNLIKELY IF THAT WOULD

4:05:28HAPPEN SAYS.

4:05:29SO IF.

4:05:30>> WE COULD DO IT IN-HOUSE.

4:05:31AND WE COULD SAVE MONEY.

4:05:33WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT

4:05:35BY FLORIDA STATUTE.

4:05:36SO I THINK THAT'S VERY

4:05:38IMPORTANT TO MENTION.

4:05:39UM, YOU LOOK AT THE DATA THE

4:05:42DATA TELLS.

4:05:42>> US IF WE WAIT IT'S.

4:05:43>> GOING TO COST LONGER.

4:05:44WE'VE ALREADY SEEN IT IN THE

4:05:45PAST.

4:05:46YOU KNOW.

4:05:47>> WE'RE AT.

4:05:47>> LEAST FIVE.

4:05:48YEARS PAST WHERE WE SHOULD BE.

4:05:50IF WE.

4:05:51>> WERE TO CONTINUE TO MARCH

4:05:54FOR WITH THE UP BACK WHEN

4:05:56DOCTOR UH THE COUNCIL MEMBER

4:05:58DOWN THOUGH WAS.

4:05:59HERE YOU.

4:06:00>> KNOW, BACK IN 0708.

4:06:01WHEN A UH.

4:06:02THEY DECIDE TO PUT THAT ON

4:06:04PAUSE SO ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT

4:06:07ARE.

4:06:07SITTING IN.

4:06:08COUNCIL CHAMBERS RIGHT NOW IF

4:06:10WE COULD TURN THE CLOCK BACK.

4:06:12FIVE YEARS AGO, I GUARANTEE YOU

4:06:16YOU WOULD BE PAYING

4:06:17SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN WE ARE

4:06:21NOW.

4:06:22SO THAT IS UNFORTUNATELY THE

4:06:25OUTCOME.

4:06:25IF YOU.

4:06:26CONTINUALLY KICK THE CAN DOWN

4:06:29THE ROAD.

4:06:30SO I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A

4:06:32DECISION.

4:06:33THAT'S GOING TO.

4:06:34ACTUALLY COST OUR TAXPAYERS OUR

4:06:37RESIDENTS MORE MONEY BECAUSE.

4:06:39THIS IS NOT.

4:06:41THIS IS NOT A UH A WANT THIS IS

4:06:43A NEED.

4:06:44YOU KNOW.

4:06:45WE ALREADY HAVE HAD.

4:06:47PROBLEMS UH, WITH THE AQUIFER.

4:06:50AND WE.

4:06:51ALREADY HAVE DATA.

4:06:52>> THAT SHOWS.

4:06:54IF WE.

4:06:57CONTINUALLY PUSH THE UP.

4:06:59FORWARD THAT IT'S GOING TO HELP

4:07:02THE AQUIFER, THE PEOPLE THAT

4:07:04ARE STILL UH WITH WELLS THAT WE

4:07:07THAT WERE RUNNING DRY OR

4:07:09RUNNING OUT OF WATER.

4:07:11SO THIS ISN'T.

4:07:12SOMETHING THAT I WOULD PUT IT

4:07:14IN THE CATEGORY OF THE WANT

4:07:16THIS IS A NEED.

4:07:17AND AS THE CITY MANAGER HAD UH,

4:07:21ALLUDED TO EARLIER, WE'VE

4:07:22ALREADY MADE PROMISES TO THE

4:07:24SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT

4:07:25DISTRICT ON HOW WE WOULD BE

4:07:27MOVING OUR UTEP PROJECTS

4:07:30FORWARD.

4:07:31SO BECAUSE OF THAT THE

4:07:33ADDITIONAL COST BEYOND THE

4:07:36SHADOW OF A DOUBT IT'S GOING TO

4:07:37COST OUR RESIDENTS MORE.

4:07:39YOU KNOW WE ALREADY SEEN WHAT

4:07:41THE NUMBERS ARE TODAY.

4:07:42YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S 10%

4:07:45HIGHER WHICH IT COULD BE MORE.

4:07:47TO ADD ANOTHER.

4:07:513 TO $4000 ON TOP.

4:07:52OF WHAT'S.

4:07:52>> ALREADY HAS TO BE PAID.

4:07:53TO ME THAT'S A DISSERVICE TO

4:07:55THE RESIDENTS TODAY WE ARE ALL

4:07:58HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO SERVE OUR

4:08:01COMMUNITY TO MAKE THE BEST

4:08:03DECISIONS POSSIBLE ALL THE WAY

4:08:05TO NOVEMBER 18TH AND THAT'S

4:08:08WHAT I AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO

4:08:10DO UNTIL I WALK OUT THE DOOR ON

4:08:13THAT PARTICULAR DAY.

4:08:14SO WITH.

4:08:15>> THAT.

4:08:15BEING SAID I WILL NOT SUPPORT

4:08:19PUSHING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD

4:08:22BECAUSE IT'S ONLY GOING TO COST

4:08:23OUR RESIDENTS MORE MONEY IN THE

4:08:25LONG RUN.

4:08:26WHY WE WOULD DO THAT IT IS

4:08:29BEYOND ME.

4:08:30IT'S BAD ENOUGH THEY HAVE TO

4:08:32SPEND WHAT THEY HAVE TO SPEND

4:08:33TODAY.

4:08:33I SURELY DON'T WANT TO DO

4:08:36ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO COST

4:08:37THEM MORE MONEY.

4:08:38THAT'S MY COMMENTS THANK YOU

4:08:40VERY MUCH.

4:08:41I'D LIKE TO CALL.

4:08:42OF COURSE.

4:08:42>> THANK YOU.

4:08:46UM, WELL WE ARE UH SO WE ARE IN

4:08:50,UH, DEBATE.

4:08:51WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND

4:08:54UH AND WE'VE GOT A CALL TO

4:08:55QUESTION.

4:08:58IS THERE A SECOND ON THE CALL?

4:09:00THE QUESTION.

4:09:01I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE.

4:09:02>> FLOOR.

4:09:03TO DO THAT.

4:09:03YEAH.

4:09:04>> REMEMBER NO YOU CAN.

4:09:09WE GET A CLARIFICATION FROM THE

4:09:11.

4:09:11>> CITY ATTORNEY?

4:09:12>> NO YOU DON'T NEED YOU DON'T

4:09:13NEED.

4:09:13>> TO HAVE A FLOOR.

4:09:14YOU COULD MAKE THAT MOTION SO

4:09:15YOU GOT TO BE A SECOND AND IT'S

4:09:17GOING TO BE DONE BY SIX VOTES

4:09:18IN SUPPORT OF IT.

4:09:21THE QUESTION WAS DO YOU.

4:09:22>> NEED THE FLOOR TO BE ABLE.

4:09:23>> TO MAKE.

4:09:24>> THE BILL?

4:09:24OH NO YOU DON'T NEED THE FLOOR

4:09:25TO MAKE THE MOTION.

4:09:25THANK YOU.

4:09:26>> SIR.

4:09:26PER OUR RULES.

4:09:28AND I'LL SECOND IT.

4:09:30UH, MAYOR PRO TEM.

4:09:31SO WE HAVE A MOTION.

4:09:34UH, YOU.

4:09:35>> MUST.

4:09:35HAVE THE FLOOR TO BE

4:09:36RECOGNIZED.

4:09:39TO CALL THE QUESTION.

4:09:42OKAY.

4:09:42>> UM, SOMETHING BEFORE.

4:09:44MR. CITY ATTORNEY I BELIEVE

4:09:47YOU'RE CALLING.

4:09:48WELL, THIS IS ANY.

4:09:49RULES WHERE.

4:09:50THE COUNCIL RULES OVERRULE.

4:09:53I KNOW.

4:09:53>> BUT PICK AND CHOOSE.

4:09:55OUR RULES.

4:09:56WE THOUGHT THAT, UM.

4:09:57A THREE.

4:09:59YOU GOT.

4:10:00THE PRESIDENT'S EMOTION THE

4:10:02FIRST FIVE WHICH I'LL DECIDE

4:10:03WITHOUT DEBATE NUMBER FIVE IS

4:10:06FOR THE PREVIOUS QUESTION.

4:10:07THAT IS THE MOTION THAT'S BEEN

4:10:08MADE.

4:10:13SO A DEFINITIVE ANSWER IN OUR

4:10:15CASE BASED ON CITY RULES.

4:10:17DO WE NEED THE PERSON TO HAVE

4:10:19THE FLOOR TO MAKE A MOTION?

4:10:22NO.

4:10:23>> CALLED A.

4:10:24>> QUESTION NOT UNDER OUR

4:10:25RULES.

4:10:25NOT UNDER OUR RULES.

4:10:26SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE

4:10:28A SECOND MADAM THIS IS SO THE

4:10:32MOTION IS ON WHETHER TO CALL TO

4:10:35QUESTION.

4:10:35AND YOU NEED SIX VOTES IN

4:10:37SUPPORT OF THAT.

4:10:39MADAM CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL

4:10:41THE ROLL.

4:10:44PLEASE.

4:10:44>> IT'S A CALL TO QUESTION.

4:10:46WHICH WOULD BRING UP THE PRIOR

4:10:48MOTION.

4:10:49IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL.

4:10:52SO THE MOTION IS TO END THE

4:10:54DEBATE AS CURRENTLY REGARDING

4:10:56THE MOTION THAT HAS BEEN MADE.

4:10:58SO THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE

4:10:59BASED UPON WHAT WAS DONE BY

4:11:02COUNCIL MEMBER LAST AND

4:11:03SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER LONG

4:11:05TO HAVE THIS MATTER ESSENTIALLY

4:11:07DEFERRED FOR FUTURE POINT IN

4:11:09TIME FOR THE NEW COUNCIL TO

4:11:10HEAR IT THEN THE MOTION HAS

4:11:12BEEN MADE TO CALL THE QUESTION.

4:11:13I HEARD A SECOND UH THAT UNDER

4:11:16OUR.

4:11:17RULES WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN

4:11:19UNDER ROBERT'S RULES UH, ALLOWS

4:11:21FOR THAT TO HAPPEN WITHOUT THE

4:11:23INDIVIDUAL HAVING THE FLOOR.

4:11:24WITH THAT SAID, BECAUSE WE DO

4:11:26NOT HAVE ANY REFERENCE NOR ARE

4:11:28WE SPECIFIC AS TO HOW MANY UH

4:11:30INDIVIDUALS ARE REQUIRED TO

4:11:31SUPPORT THAT MOTION.

4:11:32I THEN DEFER TO.

4:11:33ROBERT'S RULES THAT IS SIX

4:11:35VOTES.

4:11:35I HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT MOTION

4:11:37VOTES.

4:11:42GUNTER.

4:11:42>> UH.

4:11:45I COULD DO NO.

4:11:50KILL RAYNE.

4:11:50>> ALL RIGHT.

4:11:51>> LAST STRAW I LEHMAN.

4:11:55NO LONG NO.

4:11:59STANKY.

4:12:00>> ALL RIGHT.

4:12:03DANIELLE.

4:12:04>> NO.

4:12:06UM.

4:12:07>> IT'S A44 MOTION FAILED.

4:12:10SO THE MOTION TO CALL THE

4:12:12QUESTION IS FAILED.

4:12:12DEBATE WILL CONTINUE.

4:12:14COUNCIL MEMBER LONG YOU HAVE

4:12:16THE FLOOR.

4:12:16THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM ONE.

4:12:18UH, EXTRA WRINKLE I GUESS.

4:12:19>> IT MAY.

4:12:19MAY NOT BE AS LINEAR AS JUST.

4:12:21POSTPONING IT.

4:12:22>> UH, TO THE.

4:12:22TUNE OF.

4:12:23>> OBVIOUSLY.

4:12:24>> UH.

4:12:24>> THE MAJORITY.

4:12:25CONSENSUS THAT IT'S GOING TO

4:12:25COST MORE DOWN THE ROAD.

4:12:26THE ISSUE THAT WE ALSO.

4:12:27HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT AS

4:12:29WELL IS.

4:12:30THE EXTRA $5,000.

4:12:31FOR THE.

4:12:32ALTERNATIVE FIVE UM, THAT I

4:12:34GUESS WAS WIDELY.

4:12:35PROTESTED IN HERE.

4:12:36I DO UNDERSTAND WE HAD A

4:12:37MEETING ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST

4:12:38WE HAD A DIFFERENT SET OF

4:12:40INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS COME IN

4:12:41AND THEY.

4:12:41>> DID SUPPORT IT.

4:12:42UH, THE.

4:12:43>> QUESTION I GUESS.

4:12:44>> OF WHETHER.

4:12:44UH THE COST AND THE FINANCING

4:12:46AND THE REALITIES OF THAT BEING

4:12:48BORNE BY THAT INDIVIDUAL SUBSET

4:12:49.

4:12:49UH.

4:12:50>> WAS FRONT AND CENTER IS

4:12:51ANOTHER MATTER ENTIRELY BUT UH

4:12:53.

4:12:53FOR NO.

4:12:53OTHER REASON THEN I WOULD

4:12:55IMAGINE IF YOU DID A POLL.

4:12:56IN HERE TODAY THAT NOT ONE

4:12:57PERSON.

4:12:58CAN SAY THAT THEY WANTED TO

4:12:59MOVE FORWARD.

4:13:00IN PAYING THAT 5000.

4:13:01>> THAT WOULD BE A REASON ALONE

4:13:02.

4:13:03UM.

4:13:04>> ABOVE.

4:13:04AND BEYOND JUST KICKING THE CAN

4:13:05SO TO SPEAK TO TO REDO THIS

4:13:07PORTION AT LEAST WITH RESPECT

4:13:08TO THE WEST FOR ME.

4:13:09SO I ONLY OFFER THAT I MEAN

4:13:11THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER

4:13:12DISCUSSION BUT I BUT THERE'S

4:13:13BEEN TO ME A MAJORITY THAT THAT

4:13:16WOULD DISPUTE.

4:13:16UM HAVING.

4:13:17>> TO.

4:13:18BEAR THE COST OF THAT

4:13:19ADDITIONAL UH ROADWAY.

4:13:20SO UH FOR THAT REASON I'M GOING

4:13:22TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.

4:13:24UH, IN ADDITION TO MY.

4:13:25REASONS THAT I STATED

4:13:26PREVIOUSLY TO UH I DON'T KNOW

4:13:27WHETHER AND THAT'S ANOTHER

4:13:28THING FOR THE ATTORNEY WHETHER

4:13:29IT WAS DEALT CORRECTLY OR

4:13:30WHETHER WE WOULD JUST SAY.

4:13:31NO TO THIS AND THEN IT COULD

4:13:32GET BROUGHT UP BY THE NEXT

4:13:34COUNCIL.

4:13:34THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

4:13:35>> DOES THAT NEED TO BE WORDED

4:13:36A DIFFERENT WAY RATHER THAN

4:13:37JUST.

4:13:37CONTINUE IT TO.

4:13:38BECAUSE WE CAN'T CONTINUE IT

4:13:40RIGHT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S.

4:13:41>> A THAT'S A.

4:13:42REDUNDANCY BECAUSE.

4:13:43>> WE CAN'T CONTINUE IT.

4:13:43IF IT'S GOING TO BE A MOOT

4:13:45POINT WHEN WE COME BACK IF THE

4:13:46.

4:13:46EXPIRATION IF THE BIDS ARE

4:13:47EXPIRED.

4:13:48>> ON THE SECOND.

4:13:48THE WAY I'M VIEWING IT IT'S

4:13:50JUST A DEFERRAL OF THE MATTER.

4:13:51AND SO THE DEFERRAL AMOUNTED TO

4:13:53A NEW.

4:13:53RATHER THAN A CONTINUANCE.

4:13:54SO JUST TO KNOW.

4:13:55FRANKLY THAT THAT'S THE WAY

4:13:56THAT'S THE WAY I'M VIEWING IT.

4:13:58SO AT THE THE WAY I'M VIEWING

4:14:00THE MOTION IS IT'S A DEFERRAL

4:14:01TO THE NEW COUNCIL.

4:14:02THE EARLIEST THAT COULD BE

4:14:03HEARD IS NOVEMBER 18TH.

4:14:05RIGHT.

4:14:05AND SO AT THAT POINT IN TIME

4:14:07BASED ON WHAT IT'S ALL BEEN

4:14:08PROVIDED BY COUNCIL OR BY

4:14:10STAFF, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A START

4:14:12ALL.

4:14:12>> OVER AGAIN JUST TO BE CLEAR

4:14:13AND NOT.

4:14:14WITH THE SELECTION COMMITTEE.

4:14:16>> AND ALL THIS EXTRA STUFF WE.

4:14:17>> THE NEW COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER.

4:14:2017TH OR.

4:14:21>> 1818 THIS ONE.

4:14:22EVEN IF THEY ALL CAME IN AND

4:14:23UNANIMOUSLY.

4:14:24VOTED YES WE COULD.

4:14:24NOT MOVE ON THESE.

4:14:26BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING.

4:14:27>> THAT IT'S EXPIRED ON.

4:14:28THE THIRD.

4:14:29>> THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING

4:14:30BASED UPON WHAT HAS STAFF HAS

4:14:32PROVIDED IN TERMS OF THE

4:14:34DEADLINES AND TIMELINES BECAUSE

4:14:36THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY

4:14:37,UH, AND WHY THE SECOND

4:14:40HEARING IS ON NOVEMBER 2ND IS

4:14:41BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE AT

4:14:42LEAST 30 DAYS.

4:14:43SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN THIS

4:14:45SITUATION IN TERMS.

4:14:46>> OF WE'RE QUITE LITERALLY

4:14:46BACKED INTO A CORNER TO MAKE A

4:14:47DECISION THE DAY BEFORE.

4:14:49>> AN ELECTION.

4:14:49I'M NOT I'M NOT CHALLENGING.

4:14:50HOW WE GOT THERE.

4:14:51I JUST WANT.

4:14:52>> TO BE QUITE LITERAL WITH NO

4:14:53SITUATION.

4:14:54THAT THAT'S.

4:14:55>> NOT THE CASE.

4:14:55YOU'RE NOT BACKED INTO THE

4:14:56CORNER.

4:14:57WE PRESENTED THIS TIMELINE TO.

4:14:59COUNCIL AND I MADE IT VERY

4:15:01CLEAR GO BACK AND WATCH THE

4:15:04TAPE.

4:15:04I MADE IT VERY CLEAR I NEED YOU

4:15:07ALL TO REALIZE IN ORDER FOR

4:15:09THESE BIDS THAT WE'RE GETTING

4:15:11TO BE HELD TRUE, IT WOULD

4:15:14REQUIRE YOU ALL TO BE VOTING.

4:15:15THE DAY BEFORE THE ELECTION I

4:15:17MADE THAT KNOWN ON THE RECORD.

4:15:20THAT'S TRUE.

4:15:21OKAY, WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE

4:15:22THEN I THEN SHAME.

4:15:24>> ON ME.

4:15:24BUT I'M STILL GOING TO VOTE.

4:15:26>> NO.

4:15:27OR IF I GUESS VOTE YES TO

4:15:27POSTPONING.

4:15:30THAT'S IT.

4:15:30>> ALL RIGHT.

4:15:32THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER KILL

4:15:33RAIN.

4:15:34YEAH.

4:15:34>> UH, YOU'RE.

4:15:35I'M STILL AT A PLACE THAT.

4:15:37UH WE DELAY.

4:15:38>> THIS THING.

4:15:39>> WE CONTINUE TO KICK IT DOWN

4:15:40THE ROAD IS ONLY GOING TO GET

4:15:42MORE EXPENSIVE.

4:15:43UH, I I THINK THE CONCLUSION IS

4:15:46GOING TO BE THE SAME IN ORDER

4:15:47TO FOREGO A POTENTIAL CONSENT

4:15:50ORDER IN THE FUTURE AND TO

4:15:52PROTECT THE THE AQUIFER THAT WE

4:15:55HAVE THERE WITH WITH UH.

4:15:57,UH.

4:15:58>> VOID THE CONDITION WE'RE

4:16:00EXPERIENCING NOW IN THE

4:16:01NORTHEAST.

4:16:02UH.

4:16:03>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE

4:16:04MOVE FORWARD AND NOT THE LAND.

4:16:06UM.

4:16:07>> I GUESS NOT TO SAY THAT

4:16:10BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT POINT

4:16:12WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REFINE OUR

4:16:14NUMBERS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I

4:16:17UNDERSTAND IT TO REMOVE THE

4:16:21TYPE-A ROAD OUT OF THERE, IT'S

4:16:22GOING TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL

4:16:24ENGINEERING.

4:16:24I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF THAT

4:16:26ENGINEERING IS GOING TO REPLACE

4:16:27THE COST OF THE INCREMENTAL

4:16:29ROAD.

4:16:29UH.

4:16:30>> YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO

4:16:32RE-ENGINEER ALL THE ROADS IN

4:16:34THAT PROJECT BASED ON REMOVING

4:16:37UH, TYPE A AND.

4:16:38IF YOU.

4:16:39>> LOOK AT JUST A CONSTRUCTION

4:16:40ENGINEERING PIECE THAT WAS LEFT

4:16:41TO BE DONE.

4:16:43WAS $15 MILLION I THINK IN THE

4:16:46ESTIMATE.

4:16:46SO YOU KNOW, THAT MONEY MIGHT

4:16:50EVEN REPLACE THAT.

4:16:51YOU KNOW, WE'RE BACK TO THE

4:16:52SAME POINT WITH THE EXTRA COST

4:16:54FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT

4:16:55.

4:16:55SO I DON'T KNOW.

4:16:56>> HOW.

4:16:57MUCH IT'S.

4:16:57BUYING US.

4:16:58>> TO HAVE THAT UH, ADDITIONAL

4:17:02RENEGOTIATION AND REDESIGN.

4:17:03UH, SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT UM

4:17:07I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THE

4:17:09THE DISCONTINUANCE AND AND ASK

4:17:11THAT WE CONTINUE TO PURSUE THIS

4:17:14UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT UH WE

4:17:17COME UP WITH A.

4:17:18A REFINED NUMBER IN THE NEXT

4:17:22AND JUST CARRIED FORWARD SO WE

4:17:23CAN CONTINUE ON TO DATE WE

4:17:26ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THANK YOU.

4:17:29COUNCIL MEMBER Q.

4:17:30THANK YOU.

4:17:31>> MAYOR PRO TEM I HAVE A.

4:17:32>> FEW QUESTIONS.

4:17:33I LOOKED AT THE BIG COMMIT.

4:17:35REPORTS AND I SAW THE.

4:17:36CONTRACTS WHEN THEY WERE DUE.

4:17:37CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME

4:17:39WITH THE.

4:17:39EARLIEST CONTRACT WHICH WAS

4:17:41CONTRACT THREE WAS.

4:17:42>> DUE ON 729 AND THE REST.

4:17:44>> OF THEM WERE DUE.

4:17:45AUGUST 27TH 911 914 AND WE HAVE

4:17:47TWO.

4:17:47CONTRACTS THAT.

4:17:48>> WE STILL DON'T EVEN HAVE IN

4:17:49AND I CAN'T FIND ON THE

4:17:50PROCUREMENT.

4:17:50REPORT HOW ARE WE.

4:17:52BACKED INTO THIS?

4:18:06CONTRACT?

4:18:06>> ONE WAS DO 911 CONTRACT.

4:18:07TO 827 CONTRACT THREE 729

4:18:11CONTRACT.

4:18:11FOUR 811.

4:18:12CONTRACT FIVE.

4:18:13914 CONTRACT.

4:18:14SIX I CAN'T FIND CONTRACT SEVEN

4:18:16I CAN'T FIND CONTRACT EIGHT.

4:18:18>> DO.

4:18:18910 SO.

4:18:19HOW ARE THEY.

4:18:22EXPIRING SO TO SPEAK.

4:18:23OR WHAT WHAT'S THE DEAL?

4:18:24AND I DO REMEMBER YOU

4:18:25SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE WERE

4:18:26MAKING THIS.

4:18:27SPECIAL MEETING.

4:18:27I REMEMBER ASKING.

4:18:29THEN ABOUT.

4:18:30THE WNA AND THE ROUNDABOUTS AND

4:18:32PUTTING THAT ON THE RECORD AND

4:18:33.

4:18:34TAKE YOUR SEVEN THE EARLIEST

4:18:36177.

4:18:3729 YUP.

4:18:37>> AND YOU.

4:18:38GO OUT SIX MONTHS YOU'RE INTO

4:18:39JANUARY WHICH IS ANOTHER

4:18:40COUNCIL.

4:18:41YEAH.

4:18:42>> SO YOU ALL.

4:18:43WOULD HAVE BEEN STARTING IT AND

4:18:44ANOTHER COUNCIL FINISHING WHAT

4:18:46WE BROUGHT TO YOU WAS IF YOU

4:18:48ALL WANT TO START IT TO MAKE

4:18:49SURE IT GETS DONE AND MAKE SURE

4:18:51IT MOVES FORWARD.

4:18:52YOU HAD TO HEAR BOTH THE

4:18:54INITIAL AND THE FINAL.

4:18:55UH BUT WE STILL DON'T HAVE TWO

4:18:58CONTRACTS.

4:18:59YOU YOU WILL YOU'RE GOING TO

4:19:01HAVE THEM BEFORE THE FINAL JUST

4:19:02LIKE WE DESCRIBED EARLIER.

4:19:05OKAY.

4:19:06>> SO UH.

4:19:08THEN ALSO MR. MASON I WANT.

4:19:11CLARITY AGAIN ON THESE IMPACT

4:19:12FEES.

4:19:13ROAD IMPACT FEES SLASH.

4:19:15MOBILITY FEES OR UTILITY.

4:19:17IMPACT FEES.

4:19:19WHAT IS BEING USED.

4:19:21WHICH QUESTION DO WE WANT

4:19:22ANSWERED FIRST.

4:19:24ROAD OR UTILITY.

4:19:25IMPACT IMPACT FEES ROAD IMPACT

4:19:28FEES OR THE ROUNDABOUT.

4:19:29SO JUST JUST.

4:19:32MOBILITY MOBILITY.

4:19:33ROAD IMPACT FEES THAT WERE

4:19:34COLLECTED PREVIOUSLY MOBILITY.

4:19:36MY DISTRICT IS PAYING FOR

4:19:37THEIR.

4:19:38DISTRICT IT.

4:19:39ANYBODY WHO BUILT A NEW HOUSE

4:19:41YES.

4:19:41I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

4:19:43THEY UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WHEN

4:19:44WE.

4:19:44WERE RECEIVING EMAILS SITTING

4:19:45UP HERE.

4:19:46>> THAT.

4:19:46IS.

4:19:46CHASTISING EXACTLY.

4:19:47>> WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

4:19:48I JUST.

4:19:48WANT THE RECORD TO BE CLEAR

4:19:49THAT WE ARE ALL.

4:19:50PITCHING IN ON THIS AND PAYING

4:19:51FOR THIS.

4:19:51UM, IT'S NOT JUST.

4:19:52THEM PAYING FOR THIS.

4:19:54SO I GUESS THE QUESTION HERE IS

4:19:58DOES NORTHWEST.

4:20:00NEIGHBORHOODS WANT.

4:20:01TO PAY.

4:20:01>> MORE IN TWO YEARS.

4:20:03OR DO WE PUSH THIS THROUGH.

4:20:05>> EVEN THOUGH WE STILL DON'T

4:20:06HAVE TWO.

4:20:06MORE CONTRACTS?

4:20:07>> BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE

4:20:08CITY MANAGER'S COMING FROM TOO

4:20:09THAT.

4:20:09IT WAS THIS COUNCIL STARTED IT

4:20:10THIS COUNCIL FINISHES IT.

4:20:12HOWEVER THERE REALLY IS NO.

4:20:14DEADLINE SO.

4:20:15>> TO SPEAK.

4:20:16SO UH.

4:20:17FOR THAT.

4:20:18REASON I.

4:20:19>> WILL SUPPORT.

4:20:20>> THE.

4:20:20MOTION OF DELAYING THIS.

4:20:21THANK YOU.

4:20:25DID YOU WANT AN ANSWER ON THE

4:20:26CONTRACTS OR.

4:20:28YEAH, THAT.

4:20:28>> WOULD BE GREAT.

4:20:29I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS

4:20:30EXPIRATION DATE.

4:20:31THE EARLIEST ONE.

4:20:32DUE WAS.

4:20:33729 OF 26.

4:20:34SO YOU'RE RIGHT THAT PUTS US

4:20:36INTO JANUARY FOR ONE OF THE

4:20:38EIGHT CONTRACTS BUT THE.

4:20:39>> REST.

4:20:40THIS IS AN ASSESSMENT AS A

4:20:41WHOLE.

4:20:42SO IF I'VE GOT ONE CONTRACT

4:20:44SITTING OUT THERE AND.

4:20:45>> IT HAS A.

4:20:45DECEMBER DUE DATE YEAH 180 DAYS

4:20:48FROM THE TIME THAT IT OR IT

4:20:50WOULD EXPIRE WAITING FOR THE

4:20:52FINAL ONE TO BE.

4:20:53ISSUED WOULD MEAN THAT THEY'D

4:20:54ALL BE TOO EXPIRED BY THE TIME

4:20:56YOU GET TO THE FINAL ONE.

4:20:57SO FOR.

4:20:58US WE HAVE.

4:21:00>> TO GO WITH THE FIRST.

4:21:01CONTRACT IDENTIFIED AND WHEN WE

4:21:02NEED TO HAVE THE CONTRACTS IN

4:21:04FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR

4:21:06APPROVAL AND THE NOTICE TO

4:21:07PROCEED.

4:21:08TO MOVE FORWARD.

4:21:08SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST.

4:21:10>> TIME OKAY OKAY LET'S TALK

4:21:11THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.

4:21:12SO THE NORTH THREE PROJECT AREA

4:21:15IS.

4:21:15BROKEN UP INTO THE.

4:21:16>> EIGHT DIFFERENT AREAS.

4:21:17AND THERE'S FOR THE.

4:21:19MOST PART I MEAN GUYMON HAS TWO

4:21:21CONTRACTS.

4:21:21IN THERE BUT FOR THE MOST PART

4:21:22EIGHT DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS OR

4:21:23SIX DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS SO TO

4:21:25SPEAK.

4:21:25IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.

4:21:28SO I'M WONDERING WHY WE

4:21:29WOULDN'T IF THIS ONE IS.

4:21:30DUE AND WE ONLY HAVE 180.

4:21:32DAYS I MEAN THEY'RE DOING MY.

4:21:34AREA RIGHT NOW.

4:21:35WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST MOVE

4:21:36FORWARD WITH THAT LITTLE

4:21:37SECTION OF THREE.

4:21:39THEN I'D HAVE TO BRING BACK

4:21:41EIGHT EIGHT ASSESSMENTS.

4:21:42>> BUT WHY?

4:21:43UH, SERIOUSLY, I'M ASKING.

4:21:44BECAUSE ON THE PROCUREMENT

4:21:45REPORT THEY'RE ALL BID OUT

4:21:47SEPARATELY SO I'M JUST TRYING

4:21:48TO LEARN.

4:21:48THEY'RE THEY'RE BEEN OUT

4:21:50SEPARATELY FOR THE ENTIRE AREA

4:21:52.

4:21:52OKAY.

4:21:53>> THE FIRST CONTRACT THAT

4:21:55GOES.

4:21:56>> OUT.

4:21:56SETS THE TIME FRAME FOR WHEN WE

4:21:58NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THE

4:21:59ASSESSMENTS AS WELL AS WHEN WE

4:22:01NEED TO HAVE THE CONTRACTS

4:22:03APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

4:22:05SO IF I GO ALL THE WAY FROM

4:22:07JULY.

4:22:08OR FROM THE FIRST TIME.

4:22:08THAT I ISSUED ONE IN THE NEXT

4:22:10ONES THE LAST ONES COME IN ON

4:22:12OCTOBER 29TH.

4:22:12MHM.

4:22:13RIGHT.

4:22:13>> MHM.

4:22:14I'M PREPARED TO COME BEFORE YOU

4:22:16IN DECEMBER TO AWARD ALL OF THE

4:22:19CONTRACTS WITH A NOTICE TO.

4:22:21PROCEED AND A START DATE IN

4:22:22JANUARY, MEANING THAT I'M

4:22:25WITHIN THE SIX MONTHS OF THE

4:22:26VERY FIRST CONTRACT.

4:22:27SO THE TIMING OF WHEN WE

4:22:29ACTUALLY.

4:22:29RECEIVE THE CONTRACTS THE

4:22:30TIMING OF THE FIRST CONTRACT IS

4:22:32THE.

4:22:32>> MOST IMPORTANT.

4:22:33UNDERSTAND THAT SETS THE TIME

4:22:35FRAME.

4:22:36IF YOU WERE LOOKING TO DO EIGHT

4:22:38DIFFERENT CONTRACTS AND EIGHT

4:22:40DIFFERENT ASSESSMENTS THEN WE

4:22:42WOULD BE BACK BEFORE.

4:22:43YOU IN A TIMELY.

4:22:45MANNER DOING EIGHT.

4:22:46DIFFERENT ASSESSMENTS BECAUSE

4:22:48EACH CONTRACT HAS ITS

4:22:50INDIVIDUAL VALUE WHICH UH

4:22:51DIVIDED INTO THE TOTAL NUMBER

4:22:53OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN

4:22:54THOSE OR THE NUMBER OF EP'S

4:22:56THAT ARE WITHIN EACH CONTRACT

4:22:58AREA WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT

4:22:59EFFECT ON THE ASSESSMENT.

4:23:01SO SOME WOULD BE LESS, SOME

4:23:02WOULD BE MORE BUT THEY.

4:23:04WOULDN'T ALL BE EQUAL.

4:23:08OKAY I.

4:23:09UNDERSTAND WHEN.

4:23:10>> I LOOK AT THE MAP THERE'S

4:23:12YOU GUYS SECTIONED IT OFF.

4:23:13AND I'M ASSUMING.

4:23:15BASED ON POPULATION.

4:23:17UH HOMES BUILT.

4:23:18THESE GUYS CAN ANSWER THAT

4:23:20QUESTION.

4:23:21SO THESE ARE SEPARATED BY LIFT

4:23:23STATION AREAS.

4:23:25UH SO WE HAVE UH A MAXIMUM

4:23:28LENGTH BASED ON THE GRAVITY

4:23:30SEWER SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE ABLE

4:23:31TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE RUNOFF

4:23:34PIPE, UH, THAT FLOWS VIA

4:23:36GRAVITY WHICH MEANS IF YOU GET

4:23:37.

4:23:37TOO DEEP, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY

4:23:38YOU CANNOT GO 100FT DEEP,

4:23:40RIGHT?

4:23:40SO AT SOME POINT IT HITS A PUMP

4:23:42STATION AND THAT PUMP STATION

4:23:43THAT LIFT STATION LIFTS THE

4:23:45SEWAGE AND PUMPS IT CLOSER TO

4:23:47THE PLANT.

4:23:47AND SO THESE LIFT STATION AREAS

4:23:51ARE GROUPED TOGETHER BASED ON

4:23:53THOSE UH GRAVITY SEWER AREAS

4:23:57AND THAT'S HOW THOSE CONTRACTS

4:23:58ARE PUT TOGETHER THESE CONTRACT

4:24:00BOUNDARIES.

4:24:01OKAY.

4:24:02>> SO CONTRACT THREE WHICH IS

4:24:05THIS LITTLE.

4:24:05AREA IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN

4:24:06BELOW.

4:24:07THAT IS THE ONE THAT WAS THE.

4:24:09EARLIEST OR IT WAS DUE BACK.

4:24:11SEVEN 2926.

4:24:13UM I KNOW THAT THAT CONTRACTOR.

4:24:15HAS DONE OTHER WORK.

4:24:16THEY'RE DOING MY.

4:24:17>> ROAD.

4:24:17RIGHT NOW.

4:24:17I GUESS.

4:24:18>> I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY.

4:24:21IT'S ONE UP.

4:24:23AREA BUT THERE'S EIGHT

4:24:25DIFFERENT.

4:24:26SECTIONS WHY WE.

4:24:27COULDN'T JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH

4:24:29THREE.

4:24:30UH, SO I THINK WHAT MR.

4:24:32ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER WAS JUST

4:24:33SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE ONE

4:24:35ASSESSMENT FOR THE ENTIRE

4:24:37PROJECT ACROSS AND AND WHAT

4:24:39ENDS UP HAPPENING IS IF YOU

4:24:41BREAK THAT INTO EIGHT

4:24:43INDIVIDUAL PIECES, ALTHOUGH

4:24:44YOU'D GET ONE ROLLING YOU'D

4:24:45HAVE UH VARYING ASSESSMENTS

4:24:49BETWEEN CONTRACT AREAS WITHIN

4:24:51THE SAME PROJECT.

4:24:52AND SO NORTH THREE IS A PROJECT

4:24:55THE INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTS ARE

4:24:57THE AWARDS TO THE CONTRACTOR.

4:24:59>> TO CONSTRUCT.

4:25:00UH IT'S VERY UH YOU KNOW, WE

4:25:02ARE VERY COGNIZANT OF TIME AND

4:25:05THE CAPABILITY OF THE

4:25:06CONTRACTORS TO FINISH A CERTAIN

4:25:08AREA.

4:25:09UH, WE'VE UH BEEN DOING THIS

4:25:11FOR DECADES.

4:25:11SO LESSONS LEARNED THERE ARE

4:25:13AREAS THAT ARE TOO BIG FOR A

4:25:16CONTRACTOR TO UNDERTAKE FOR ONE

4:25:17UAP AREA AND BE EFFICIENT AND

4:25:19DELIVER THE UTILITIES TO THE

4:25:21RESIDENTS DURING THE

4:25:22APPROPRIATE TIMELINE.

4:25:23SO BREAKING UP THESE PIECES,

4:25:25UH, IS THE BEST WAY TO ACTUALLY

4:25:27DELIVER THE PROJECT.

4:25:28HOWEVER HOWEVER FROM A

4:25:30FINANCIAL UH AN EQUITABLE

4:25:32STANDPOINT, UH, YOU'D LIKE TO

4:25:34SEE THIS GEOGRAPHICAL AREA

4:25:36PAYING THE SAME ASSESSMENT

4:25:37BASED ON THOSE VARYING CONTRACT

4:25:39AREAS.

4:25:40UNDERSTOOD.

4:25:40>> THANK YOU.

4:25:41THANK YOU.

4:25:42>> SO MUCH.

4:25:42>> THAT'S ALL.

4:25:43>> THANK YOU.

4:25:45>> MARK DON'T GO AWAY.

4:25:47I PROMISE I.

4:25:48>> WON'T.

4:25:48JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE

4:25:50THAT UH ON THE THE WHOLE

4:25:53ROUNDABOUT AND UM, IMPACT FEE.

4:25:55UH.

4:25:56>> STATEMENTS HAD BEEN MADE

4:25:58THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE

4:26:01THE IMPACT FEE THAT WAS PAID ON

4:26:03MY HOUSE IN 2006 THAT MONEY'S

4:26:07GONE.

4:26:08PRETTY MUCH.

4:26:10SO THAT IS ONE OF THE PIECES IN

4:26:13OUR CITY THAT IS HOPEFULLY SET

4:26:15UP FOR GROWTH PAYS FOR GROWTH.

4:26:18SO THOSE ROUNDABOUTS THAT WE'RE

4:26:21TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY THOSE

4:26:23ARE THOSE ARE NOT BEING PAID BY

4:26:26EVERYBODY.

4:26:28THOSE ARE BEING PAID BY THOSE

4:26:31THAT HAVE BUILT WITHIN A GIVEN

4:26:33TIME FRAME THAT THOSE DOLLARS

4:26:35ARE STILL THERE TO AFFORD THOSE

4:26:39ROUNDABOUTS.

4:26:40IS THAT RIGHT?

4:26:41IT'S ALL ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION

4:26:43OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS.

4:26:44SO WHATEVER NEW CONSTRUCTION

4:26:45HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE IMPACT

4:26:46FEES AND.

4:26:47>> WHATEVER NEW.

4:26:47CONSTRUCTION THAT'S HAPPENING

4:26:49TODAY THAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO

4:26:50THE MOBILITY FEES, THOSE ARE

4:26:51LIKELY THE FEES TO BE USED.

4:26:53UH, AND YES, NEW CONSTRUCTION

4:26:55IN THAT AREA.

4:26:57>> WOULD CERTAINLY GO TOWARDS

4:26:57THOSE ROUNDABOUTS.

4:26:58I THINK OKAY.

4:27:01SO SO IT'S NOT ALL OF OUR

4:27:05RESIDENTS ARE NOT PAYING FOR

4:27:07THOSE ROUNDABOUTS.

4:27:09IT'S THOSE THAT ARE PAYING THE

4:27:12IMPACT FEES ON NEW CONSTRUCTION

4:27:15WHERE THOSE DOLLARS ARE STILL

4:27:17AVAILABLE AND WILL BECOME

4:27:18AVAILABLE AS NEW CONSTRUCTION

4:27:21COMMENCES TO PAY FOR THOSE.

4:27:23CORRECT OKAY.

4:27:25THANK YOU.

4:27:27I SEE NO OTHER LIGHTS ON.

4:27:29UH, MAYOR, AS YOU COME IN

4:27:31REMOTELY UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY

4:27:32FURTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE, UH,

4:27:34CALL FOR A VOTE?

4:27:38WE HAVE.

4:27:39>> MAYOR GUNTER.

4:27:45GO AHEAD.

4:27:45SIR.

4:27:46UH, I JUST WONDERED IF, UH, I

4:27:49HAVE NO MORE LIGHTS ON, BUT I

4:27:51DIDN'T WANT TO GO TO THE VOTE.

4:27:53UH, WITHOUT KNOWING WHETHER YOU

4:27:54HAD ANY FURTHER COMMENTS.

4:27:55UH.

4:27:56>> NO FURTHER COMMENTS FOR ME.

4:27:57I'LL BE A NO VOTE.

4:28:00OKAY.

4:28:00>> THANK YOU.

4:28:01WITH NO OTHER, UH, WITH NO

4:28:02OTHER LIGHTS ON, UH, WE HAVE A

4:28:05MOTION TO POSTPONE.

4:28:06COULD THE MOTION GET READ,

4:28:07PLEASE?

4:28:08SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON WHAT THE

4:28:09MOTION IS?

4:28:10YES.

4:28:11>> I HAVE A MOTION MADE BY

4:28:12COUNCILMEMBER LASTER, SECONDED

4:28:14BY COUNCIL MEMBER LONG TO PAUSE

4:28:16AND SUSPEND UNTIL AFTER THE 11

4:28:19THREE ELECTION EVEN IF THE

4:28:21COSTCOS HIGHER IN 18 MONTHS.

4:28:26OKAY.

4:28:27>> IS EVERYONE.

4:28:28CLEAR IN THE MOTION?

4:28:31MADAM CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL

4:28:32THE ROLL.

4:28:34GUNTER.

4:28:35>> NO GOOD DUKE I.

4:28:39KILL RAIN.

4:28:40NO LAST STRAW I LEHMAN.

4:28:44HOW LONG I STANKY NO.

4:28:51NO THREE EYES FIVE NAYS MOTION

4:28:55FAILED.

4:28:59NOTHING MAYOR PRO TEM I WOULD

4:29:01LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH,

4:29:04AFFIRM AND PROCEED ON, UH, THE

4:29:08ORDINANCE.

4:29:08CAN WE JUST WAIT FOR A SECOND?

4:29:12THANK YOU.

4:29:14I'M SORRY.

4:29:15>> I'D LIKE.

4:29:15TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROCEED

4:29:17WITH THE ORDINANCE STATED.

4:29:20I.

4:29:20>> I'LL SECOND IS THAT A MOTION

4:29:22TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 24326?

4:29:25THAT'S CORRECT.

4:29:26ON THAT.

4:29:27WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND

4:29:29IS THERE ANY COMMENT.

4:29:31ON THIS.

4:29:32>> COUNCIL MEMBER CARDEW.

4:29:35THANK YOU.

4:29:36I WOULD JUST LIKE IF CITY STAFF

4:29:38COULD.

4:29:38PLEASE EXPLAIN.

4:29:39THE $5,765 ONE MORE TIME OF

4:29:43WHAT.

4:29:43EXACTLY THEY'RE.

4:29:44PAYING FOR.

4:29:44AND WHY.

4:29:48BILL CORBETT PUBLIC WORKS UH,

4:29:50THERE'S A DIFFERENTIAL FROM THE

4:29:52TRANSPORTATION.

4:29:52EXCUSE ME JUST FOR A SECOND.

4:29:53YES, SIR.

4:29:54FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE

4:29:55REMAINING IN CHAMBERS, IF YOU

4:29:56COULD PLEASE HAVE A SEAT, MA'AM

4:29:59.

4:30:04THANK YOU FOLKS.

4:30:06THAT'S GOOD.

4:30:07>> THANK YOU BILL.

4:30:08>> YES, SIR.

4:30:08THANK YOU.

4:30:09>> THAT FAILED.

4:30:09UH, THERE'S ADDITIONAL OKAY.

4:30:12THERE IS A DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN

4:30:13THE STANDARD UH, TYPICAL

4:30:15ROADWAY SECTION WHICH EXISTS

4:30:17TODAY UH, COMPARED TO WHAT UH,

4:30:19YOU'RE SEEING WITH THE

4:30:20CONSTRUCTION OF THE TWO WAY, UH

4:30:22,TWO LANE UNDIVIDED ROADWAY

4:30:24AND THE, UH, MULTI-USE PASS ON

4:30:26EITHER SIDE.

4:30:27UH, SO YOU DO HAVE, UH,

4:30:29DRAINAGE COMPONENT OPEN SWALE

4:30:30SIMILAR TO HOW WE HAVE TODAY.

4:30:32UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE UH, A

4:30:35WIDER SYSTEM, IF YOU WILL, THE

4:30:37THE COMPONENTS UH ASSOCIATED

4:30:39HERE RELATED TO UH THE MULTI

4:30:41USE PATH, THE ADDITIONAL

4:30:42ASPHALT AND PAVEMENT FROM THAT

4:30:43AND THEN OF COURSE THE ROADWAY

4:30:45ITSELF UH THERE WERE SOME

4:30:46DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS

4:30:47ASSOCIATED WITH THIS UH CROSS

4:30:49SECTION AND THAT CONTRIBUTED TO

4:30:51THE DELTA BETWEEN THE TYPICAL

4:30:53ROADWAY CROSS SECTION YOU'D SEE

4:30:54AN ALTERNATIVE FIVE OKAY.

4:30:57SO WHEN.

4:30:58YOU'RE WEST OF BURNT STORE ROAD

4:31:00YOU'RE PAYING AN ADDITIONAL

4:31:03$5,765 BECAUSE.

4:31:04OF DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.

4:31:07ALTERNATIVE FIVE IS NOT BEING

4:31:09CONSTRUCTED EAST.

4:31:10>> OF.

4:31:10BURN STORE ROAD.

4:31:11SO THE SINGLE MAJOR ROAD EAST

4:31:13OF BURN STORE ROAD WHICH IS VAN

4:31:14BUREN WILL NOT, UH, RECEIVE THE

4:31:19IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED AS PART

4:31:19OF ALL FIVE.

4:31:21SO YOU'RE ALLOWED.

4:31:21>> TO.

4:31:22ASSESS THEM.

4:31:22>> BECAUSE THEY SPECIFICALLY

4:31:24BENEFIT FROM IT.

4:31:25I'M JUST TRYING TO TALK IT OUT

4:31:26SO THAT EVERYONE CAN.

4:31:27UNDERSTAND CORRECT.

4:31:28SO WITH AN ASSESSMENT SHOULD

4:31:29COME A BENEFIT AND THAT BENEFIT

4:31:31AS PART OF THESE TRANSPORTATION

4:31:33IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO

4:31:34WEST OF BURNT STORE ROAD AT

4:31:35THIS TIME.

4:31:36OKAY THANK YOU.

4:31:38AND I JUST WANT TO LET'S YOU

4:31:40MADE A STATEMENT AND I DON'T

4:31:42FEEL LIKE THERE'S BEEN AN

4:31:43ADEQUATE ANSWER.

4:31:43TO TO.

4:31:44CLARIFY THE DRAINAGE

4:31:47IMPROVEMENTS BY REALIGNING THEM

4:31:48FROM THE OLD CROSS SECTION WE

4:31:51NEED TO PUT NEW STORMWATER

4:31:52PIPES IN NEW BASINS IN WE NEED

4:31:55TO REBUILD THE ROADWAY NOW

4:31:57WHERE THERE WOULD NORMALLY BE A

4:31:59MEDIAN AND THEN WE NEED TO

4:32:01BUILD TEN FOOT SIDEWALK TEN

4:32:03FOOT MULTI-USE PATHS ON THE

4:32:05OUTSIDE OF THAT.

4:32:06ALL OF THAT.

4:32:07AND TO DO.

4:32:08>> THAT BUT WE CHOSE TO DO.

4:32:09YES ALL OF THAT THAT ENTIRE

4:32:11CROSS SECTION FROM THE LEFT

4:32:13RIGHT OF WAY LINE ALL THE WAY

4:32:14TO THE RIGHT RIGHT OF WAY LINE

4:32:16ALL OF THAT THAT YOU SEE HERE

4:32:18IS BEING BUILT NOT A NOT JUST

4:32:20ONE PIECE.

4:32:21I DON'T UH WITH THE EXCEPTION

4:32:22OF THE TREES I THINK WE'RE

4:32:24DRAWN IN THERE IT SAYS FUTURE.

4:32:26UH BUT THE ENTIRE CROSS SECTION

4:32:28IS BEING REDONE COMPARED TO

4:32:31WHAT IS THERE TODAY.

4:32:33OKAY.

4:32:34>> THANK YOU.

4:32:35THANK YOU.

4:32:35>> SO MUCH.

4:32:36I JUST WANT.

4:32:36CLARITY ON THE RECORD.

4:32:37UH, WE'RE GETTING EMAILS.

4:32:38>> WHERE WE'RE SITTING HERE AND

4:32:39I.

4:32:40>> THINK.

4:32:40IT'S.

4:32:40VERY IMPORTANT THAT EVERYONE I

4:32:41KNOW.

4:32:42>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE

4:32:42IT WASN'T LEFT AS THEY'RE

4:32:43PAYING FOR DRAINAGE.

4:32:44NO.

4:32:44AND I WAS TRYING TO JUST PULL

4:32:46MORE INFORMATION OUT, THAT'S

4:32:47ALL.

4:32:48THANK YOU.

4:32:49AND BILL WHILE YOU'RE STILL

4:32:52AVAILABLE AND MR. CITY MANAGER

4:32:54ON THIS SAME TOPIC THIS

4:32:57ALTERNATIVE FIVE WAS BROUGHT

4:32:59BEFORE THIS COUNCIL WITH PUBLIC

4:33:02INPUT IN REGARD TO WHICH

4:33:06ALTERNATIVE TO USE WHEN

4:33:08REPLACING THE ROAD.

4:33:09>> RIGHT.

4:33:09THERE WERE OTHER OPTIONS BESIDE

4:33:11THIS THAT WERE EVEN MORE

4:33:12ELABORATE OR MORE OR MORE

4:33:14ROADWAY MORE CORRECT.

4:33:15SO SO THIS ISN'T A DECISION

4:33:18THAT WAS PUT OFF UNTIL TODAY TO

4:33:21BE INCLUDED.

4:33:21THIS WAS A DECISION THAT WAS

4:33:23MADE WHEN WE WENT INTO THE

4:33:25DESIGN TO DETERMINE COSTS AND

4:33:27TO DETERMINE WHAT WE WOULD PUT

4:33:29OUT TO BID AS IT WOULD RELATE

4:33:31TO CLOSING IT UP AFTER WE OPEN

4:33:33IT UP.

4:33:33BEFORE BID WHAT WE HAD TO

4:33:35DESIGN SO WE HAD TO PICK THE

4:33:38CROSS SECTION IN ORDER TO GIVE

4:33:40THE CROSS SECTION TO OUR DESIGN

4:33:42FIRM IN ORDER TO DESIGN THE ADD

4:33:44GRADIENT BECAUSE REMEMBER

4:33:45UNDERNEATH ALL THIS IS THE

4:33:46WATER SEWER IRRIGATION AND ALL

4:33:48OF THAT HAS TO FIT WITH

4:33:50DRIVEWAYS AND INGRESS AND

4:33:52EGRESS POINTS.

4:33:53ALL OF IT.

4:33:54HAS TO.

4:33:55>> ALL FLOW TOGETHER.

4:33:58OKAY THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER

4:34:00LONG.

4:34:01UH THANK YOU MAYOR PRO TEM.

4:34:02WITH REGARDS TO.

4:34:03>> SINCE WE'RE KIND OF PICKING

4:34:04AND CHOOSING WHO'S PAYING FOR.

4:34:05IT BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE GETTING

4:34:06.

4:34:06WITH REGARDS TO.

4:34:07>> THE ALTERNATIVE FIVE.

4:34:08UM.

4:34:08>> AND UM WE'VE JUST BASICALLY

4:34:11THE LINE OF DEMARCATION SO TO

4:34:12SPEAK IS WEST OF KIDS OF BURN

4:34:13STORE.

4:34:14DOES THAT MEAN THAT.

4:34:15EVERY ROADWAY.

4:34:17IN THAT SECTION.

4:34:18INCLUDING KISMET PARKWAY IS

4:34:19GOING TO GET WHAT WE'RE SEEING

4:34:21HERE?

4:34:21YES, SIR.

4:34:22UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A

4:34:24VERY SHORT SEGMENT OF KISMET

4:34:26THAT UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS

4:34:28LIMITED.

4:34:29IT IS NOT A 100 FOOT RIGHT OF

4:34:30WAY.

4:34:30UH, IT WILL RECEIVE A VERY

4:34:32SIMILAR CROSS SECTION JUST UH

4:34:34UH, A RESTRICTED UH, CHOKE DOWN

4:34:37VERSION IF YOU WILL.

4:34:38BUT THAT'S A VERY SHORT SEGMENT

4:34:39.

4:34:40UH BUT YES THAT IS CORRECT.

4:34:41YOU WILL SEE IT ON OLD BURN

4:34:43STORE ROAD UH TROPICANA GULF

4:34:45STREAM AND YUCATAN AND KISMET.

4:34:47DO WE KNOW WHERE EXACTLY THAT

4:34:48IS?

4:34:49YES SIR.

4:34:49>> I JUST BECAUSE I DON'T.

4:34:50WANT EVEN.

4:34:51THOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A

4:34:52SMALL PORTION OF WHAT I DON'T.

4:34:53WANT THE MAP YOU'RE LOOKING FOR

4:34:54WAS.

4:34:55>> ON THE.

4:34:55MARCH 25TH.

4:34:56>> 25 PRESENTATION.

4:34:59.

4:35:00>> HAVE YOU ON.

4:35:00MARCH 12TH?

4:35:01>> WELL, HE'S LOOKING FOR THAT.

4:35:02I'LL JUST EXPLAIN.

4:35:03>> BECAUSE I MEAN.

4:35:03>> IF WE'RE SAYING WELL THESE

4:35:04PEOPLE GET IT SO THEY'RE

4:35:05PAYING.

4:35:05FOR IT AND THESE.

4:35:06>> PEOPLE DON'T SO THEY'RE NOT

4:35:07AS FAR AS EAST AND WEST I DON'T

4:35:08WANT AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S

4:35:09VERY MINOR BUT STILL WORTH

4:35:10NOTING I DON'T WANT TO BE A

4:35:12SITUATION WHERE.

4:35:12OH YEAH, WELL EVERYTHING WEST

4:35:13IS GOOD BUT KISMET.

4:35:14IS TOO.

4:35:15>> SHORT SO THEY DON'T.

4:35:16GET IT.

4:35:16>> WELL GUESS WHAT THEY'RE

4:35:17STILL GETTING THE BILL.

4:35:18AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO COME

4:35:18AND SAY WELL SINCE YOU GUYS ARE

4:35:20PICKING AND CHOOSING WHO YOU

4:35:21WANT TO APPLY IT TO.

4:35:21AND THE FORMULA.

4:35:22BASICALLY WAS.

4:35:23>> WHO GETS THE.

4:35:24BENEFIT AND NOW YOU'RE TELLING

4:35:25.

4:35:26>> ME THAT UH, THE DESIGN ISN'T

4:35:27ISN'T IN A WAY THAT.

4:35:28WE CAN APPLY IT THERE?

4:35:30WELL THEN THAT'S A.

4:35:31>> WHOLE NOTHER ISSUE.

4:35:33ABOUT AGAIN HAVING TO.

4:35:34CHANGE THIS.

4:35:38THOSE ARE THE ROADWAYS WHICH

4:35:39ARE RECEIVE ALTERNATIVE FIVE

4:35:41AND AS I MENTIONED KISMET ALL

4:35:44THE WAY UH WILL RECEIVE

4:35:46IMPROVEMENTS SIMILAR ALTHOUGH

4:35:47IN THAT SECTION WE WILL HAVE A

4:35:49UH REDUCED WHICH.

4:35:50SECTION ARE WE TALKING ABOUT

4:35:51LIKE THE.

4:35:52FAR EAST SECTION.

4:35:53SO OLD BURNT STORE ALL THE WAY

4:35:56TO BURNT STORE ROAD OR.

4:35:57OH LET'S CALL IT THE LAST UH

4:36:01ONE FOURTH OF THE EASTERN

4:36:03TERMINUS OF.

4:36:04>> THE LAST QUARTER AS IT

4:36:05CONNECTS.

4:36:05>> TO BURN.

4:36:06>> STORE, RIGHT?

4:36:06YES, SIR.

4:36:07DO WE KNOW.

4:36:07>> HOW.

4:36:08MANY PARCEL.

4:36:08>> I MEAN, I DON'T EXPECT TO.

4:36:09BUILD IT'LL STILL HAVE THE TEN

4:36:11FOOT MULTI-USE.

4:36:12IT'S JUST THAT THAT SWALE

4:36:13SEGMENT.

4:36:14SOIL IS SHORTER.

4:36:14YOU UNDERSTAND MY CONCERN,

4:36:15RIGHT?

4:36:16I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO COME

4:36:17BACK AND WE'RE.

4:36:18THE SAME AMENITIES WILL BE IN

4:36:20PLACE.

4:36:20I APPRECIATE THAT.

4:36:21AND THEN A LEGAL QUESTION I

4:36:23GUESS UM, AS THE NEXT UH.

4:36:25MOTION INEVITABLY.

4:36:26IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD TO

4:36:27APPROVE THIS.

4:36:28UM WHAT.

4:36:29IF ANY OPPORTUNITY WITH THE

4:36:31NEXT COUNCIL.

4:36:32HAVE TO.

4:36:34IF AT ALL POSSIBLE AVOID THE.

4:36:36ACTION TONIGHT AND.

4:36:38>> OBVIOUSLY.

4:36:38DON'T WANT.

4:36:39>> TO GET.

4:36:39>> TO SPECULATING ABOUT WHAT IT

4:36:40WOULD COST.

4:36:40AND ALL THAT BUT.

4:36:41>> IS.

4:36:42IT EVEN.

4:36:42IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE.

4:36:42I YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO

4:36:46SPECULATE.

4:36:46I DON'T KNOW I JUST.

4:36:48YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DEALING WITH

4:36:49AN ASSESSMENT YOU'RE DEALING

4:36:51WITH WITH CERTAIN LEGAL

4:36:53REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SET FORTH

4:36:54BY BY FLORIDA STATUTORY LAW AND

4:36:56THEN UM, WHAT THE POTENTIAL

4:36:59EXPOSURE WOULD BE TO THE CITY.

4:37:00I JUST COULDN'T SAY BECAUSE I'D

4:37:02PROBABLY END UP BEING

4:37:03CRITICIZED FOR.

4:37:04NO I GET IT IF WE SO IF.

4:37:06>> WE APPROVE IT ON THIS.

4:37:07MOVES FORWARD AND THE MAJORITY

4:37:08GOES FORWARD AND THEN ON THE.

4:37:09THIRD OR ON THE SECOND.

4:37:10WHAT I.

4:37:10>> WILL SAY IS.

4:37:11>> WE.

4:37:11APPROVE IT AGAIN.

4:37:12ARE WE THEN ENTERING INTO.

4:37:15CONTRACTS ALMOST IMMEDIATELY?

4:37:16THAT WOULD.

4:37:17>> THEREFORE BE PROBABLY.

4:37:18SHORTLY THEREAFTER WANT.

4:37:20OKAY BUT.

4:37:20>> CERTAINLY BEFORE A POINT IN

4:37:21WHICH THE NEW COUNCIL WOULD

4:37:22CONVENE.

4:37:23SO THEN.

4:37:23BASED BY THE VERY NATURE.

4:37:25NOT BY DESIGN NECESSARILY BUT

4:37:26BY THE NATURE OF CONTRACTS.

4:37:27WERE ENTERED INTO CONTRACTS TO

4:37:29MOVE.

4:37:29FORWARD THAT THEN WOULD BE.

4:37:31JUST A STANDARD CONTRACT LAW AS

4:37:33FAR AS TERMINATION AND.

4:37:35CORRECT DAMAGES AND DAMAGES.

4:37:37ALL OF THAT UNDERSTOOD.

4:37:38AND OF CERTAINLY WILL SHOULD

4:37:40THAT BE THE CASE THAT WOULD

4:37:41HAVE WE WOULD HAVE THAT

4:37:42CONVERSATION WITH THE NEW

4:37:44COUNCIL.

4:37:44OKAY.

4:37:44I JUST WANT TO.

4:37:45>> MAKE.

4:37:46SURE THANK YOU SIR FOR THAT

4:37:47THAT'S ALL.

4:37:48.

4:37:49>> ALL RIGHT.

4:37:49I SEE NO OTHER LIGHTS ON.

4:37:51WE HAVE.

4:37:52A MOTION AND A SECOND.

4:37:54MADAM CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL

4:37:55THE ROLL.

4:37:56UM, CAN I CONFIRM WHO MADE THE,

4:37:59UH WHO GAVE THE SECOND.

4:38:00I DID?

4:38:01THANK YOU.

4:38:04GUNTER.

4:38:06UH UH, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR

4:38:09IS TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 243

4:38:11DASH 26.

4:38:13OKAY.

4:38:14>> AND, UM, I'M GOING TO START

4:38:16THE ROLL CALL OVER GUNTER.

4:38:20THE SAME I.

4:38:22DO KNOW.

4:38:23HE'LL RAIN.

4:38:25ALL RIGHT.

4:38:26>> LAST STRAW.

4:38:27NO LEMON.

4:38:30UH.

4:38:30>> LONG.

4:38:32>> NO STINKY.

4:38:34>> UH.

4:38:35STAND OUT.

4:38:36UH, FIVE EYES, THREE NAYS.

4:38:39MOTION CARRIED.

4:38:41THANK.

4:38:42>> WE'LL MOVE ON.

4:38:42TO UM.

4:38:44ITEM NUMBER SIX B WHICH IS

4:38:46RESOLUTION 244 DASH 26.

4:38:48MADAM CITY CLERK, PLEASE READ

4:38:49THE TITLE.

4:38:51RESOLUTION 244 DASH 26 A

4:38:55RESOLUTION OF THE MAYOR AND

4:38:55CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF

4:38:57CAPE CORAL, FLORIDA RELATING TO

4:38:59THE CONSTRUCTION AND FUNDING OF

4:39:01WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENTS

4:39:03DESCRIBING THE PROPOSED NORTH

4:39:05THREE WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENT

4:39:06AREA AND THE WASTEWATER

4:39:08IMPROVEMENTS NECESSARY FOR THE

4:39:09PROVISION OF WASTEWATER THEREIN

4:39:12ESTIMATING THE COST OF THE

4:39:13IMPROVEMENTS.

4:39:14ESTABLISHING THE METHOD OF

4:39:15ASSESSING THE COSTS AND

4:39:16BENEFITS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS

4:39:18AGAINST REAL PROPERTY THAT WILL

4:39:19BE SPECIALLY BENEFITED.

4:39:21ESTABLISHING A PUBLIC HEARING

4:39:22TO CONSIDER IMPOSITION OF THE

4:39:24PROPOSED ASSESSMENTS AND THE

4:39:26METHOD OF THEIR COLLECTION.

4:39:27DIRECTING THE PUBLICATION AND

4:39:29MAILING OF NOTICE OF SUCH

4:39:31HEARING.

4:39:32DIRECTING THE PREPARATION OF

4:39:34PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT ROLES,

4:39:36DIRECTING THE PROVISION OF

4:39:37NOTICE AND CERTAIN OTHER

4:39:38MATTERS IN CONNECTION THEREWITH

4:39:40AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE

4:39:42.

4:39:45THANK YOU.

4:39:45>> UH A MOTION WAS MADE EARLIER

4:39:47FOR PUBLIC TO SPEAK UH, ALL AT

4:39:49THE.

4:39:50SAME TIME.

4:39:51MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU STILL HAVE

4:39:53TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING

4:39:53AND OTHERWISE YOU'D RUN AFOUL

4:39:54OF STATUTE.

4:39:55THE MOTION WAS MADE TO COMBINE

4:39:57IT, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO OPEN

4:39:58IT.

4:39:59OKAY.

4:40:00>> I'LL NOW OPEN, UH, UP.

4:40:02>> FOR PUBLIC HEARING IF

4:40:03THERE'S ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK

4:40:04ON RESOLUTION 244 DASH 26,

4:40:06PLEASE COME FORWARD.

4:40:08I HAVE.

4:40:0911. I'D LIKE TO MAKE.

4:40:11>> IT SOUNDS LIKE THE VENDORS.

4:40:12>> ARE RUNNING THE CITY TO ME

4:40:14AND YOU.

4:40:14MIGHT HAVE OPTIONS.

4:40:16I'M SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

4:40:18YEAH I'M SORRY.

4:40:20NO NO NO.

4:40:21NO NO IT'S NOT.

4:40:22YEAH.

4:40:22THEY HAVE TO TURN ON THEIR BACK

4:40:24I'M SORRY.

4:40:25>> LET ME JUST GIVE THAT A

4:40:26MINUTE.

4:40:26SOMEBODY THIS IS THE SECOND.

4:40:28HAD A WAKE THEM UP BACK THERE.

4:40:31CAN YOU HEAR ME?

4:40:32>> ALL RIGHT COUNCIL.

4:40:33WE WANT TO ON THE RECORD.

4:40:34ON THE ISSUE.

4:40:40OKAY.

4:40:42I OH.

4:40:44THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

4:40:45WELL A SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE

4:40:47.

4:40:48UM, I FOUND.

4:40:49>> THIS A VERY INTERESTING

4:40:50MEETING BUT I MUST ADMIT IT

4:40:52SOUNDS LIKE EVERYTHING IS A

4:40:54TRAIN MOVING VERY QUICKLY AND I

4:40:57UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT YOU

4:40:58HAVE SAID AND I APPRECIATE THE

4:40:59OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAIN, BUT

4:41:01IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU CAN HAVE

4:41:03CONTRACTS THAT SAY THE VENDOR

4:41:05WILL HONOR WHAT THEY'VE BID.

4:41:07FOR LONGER.

4:41:08BECAUSE I'D NEVER HEARD OF SUCH

4:41:09A THING WHERE YOU HAVE A BID

4:41:10RESPONSE IN JULY TO OCTOBER TO

4:41:13DECEMBER.

4:41:14>> AND.

4:41:14THEN TWO OF THE SIX ARE NOT

4:41:15EVEN.

4:41:16BIDS SO YET.

4:41:17BUT WE GOT TO GET THIS MOVING.

4:41:19THAT STRIKES ME AS AMAZING AND

4:41:21IT STRIKES ME AS THERE ARE THE

4:41:23PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING THESE

4:41:25BIDS THAT ARE MAKING THE

4:41:27DECISIONS.

4:41:27SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY

4:41:29TO SAY THAT BECAUSE UH, MAYBE

4:41:33YOU COULD SAVE MONEY IF YOU RUN

4:41:35THE VENDOR ROUND.

4:41:37SIR, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME

4:41:39FOR THE RECORD PLEASE?

4:41:39YES, SIR.

4:41:40MY NAME IS JAMES CARBONE.

4:41:41I LIVE OFF OF, UM, KISMET IN

4:41:44THE NORTHWEST SECTION.

4:41:47THANK YOU SIR.

4:41:48>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING

4:41:52TO SPEAK ON RESOLUTION 244 DASH

4:41:5626.

4:41:59SEEING NONE.

4:42:00PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

4:42:02MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION

4:42:03TWO 4426 SECOND.

4:42:09MISTER CITY MANAGER.

4:42:11I JUST LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME

4:42:13CLARITY FOR THAT COMMENT THAT

4:42:14WAS MADE.

4:42:15THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE

4:42:17ALLOW A CONTRACTOR THAT WE

4:42:19REQUEST THEY HONOR THEIR BID IS

4:42:23DISCRETIONARY SO WE COULD ASK

4:42:26THEM TO SUBMIT A BID THAT WOULD

4:42:28BE GOOD FOR A YEAR.

4:42:31BUT THE VERY ABILITY AND THE

4:42:34AMOUNT OF FUDGE THAT THEY WOULD

4:42:35HAVE IN THAT BID TO COVER A

4:42:39YEAR OF ESCALATION WOULD NOT

4:42:42BENEFIT OUR RESIDENTS.

4:42:42SIX MONTHS IS PUSHING IT BUT WE

4:42:46NEED THAT BECAUSE WE WE THE WAY

4:42:48WE SCHEDULE OUT THE BIDS SO

4:42:49THAT WE CAN HAVE COMPETITION

4:42:52BUT TO GO MUCH LONGER WOULD

4:42:55REQUIRE A CONTRACTOR TO

4:42:57ESTIMATE WHAT THE COST

4:42:59INCREASES IN THEIR LABOR, THEIR

4:43:02INSURANCE, THE FUEL, THE

4:43:03CONSUMABLES, THE OVERHEAD PIPE

4:43:06AND THEY WOULD BE PUTTING THAT

4:43:09ESTIMATE INTO THEIR BIDS.

4:43:11AND SO IT'S JUST NOT PROVED TO

4:43:13BE BENEFICIAL TO OUR RESIDENTS

4:43:16OVER THE MANY DECADES WE'VE

4:43:17BEEN DOING THIS TO ASK BIDDERS

4:43:19TO ASK OUR CONTRACTORS TO BE

4:43:22HOLDING BIDS MUCH LONGER THAN

4:43:23SIX MONTHS.

4:43:23THANK YOU.

4:43:28THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER

4:43:29CRADDUCK.

4:43:29THANK YOU MAYOR PRO TEM AND

4:43:31THANK YOU CITY MANAGER FOR THAT

4:43:32EXPLANATION.

4:43:33>> I THINK SPECIFICALLY THOUGH

4:43:34WHEN I.

4:43:34WAS LOOKING AT THE.

4:43:35PROCUREMENT REPORT AND I HAVE

4:43:36STATED THIS.

4:43:37MULTIPLE TIMES, IT'S THE SAME.

4:43:38CONTRACTOR DOING MY AREA RIGHT

4:43:39NOW.

4:43:40SO WHILE I.

4:43:41TYPICALLY WOULD AGREE WITH YOU

4:43:42IN THIS CASE THEY'VE.

4:43:43>> BEEN.

4:43:44DOING THE UP.

4:43:45SO ASKING FOR A 60.

4:43:46>> DAY EXTENSION I MEAN SURE

4:43:47AND.

4:43:48I KNOW I BELIEVE YOU SAID IT'S

4:43:49DISCRETIONARY FOR 180.

4:43:50DAYS SIX.

4:43:51MONTHS IF IF.

4:43:53WE CAN PUT IN THE BID BID WE'RE

4:43:55ASKING YOU ALL TO BID ON

4:43:56SOMETHING THAT'S ONLY GOING TO

4:43:57BE GOOD FOR 30, 60, 91, 80 WE

4:43:59COULD PUT 365 RIGHT?

4:44:01BUT THE.

4:44:02>> MORE YOU STRETCH IT OUT THE

4:44:03MORE THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE

4:44:06BETTING ON THE FUTURE MARKET.

4:44:07OH YEAH I MEAN LOOK AT DIESEL

4:44:08THAT'S GONE UP IN TEN DAYS SO I

4:44:10GET.

4:44:11THAT UM.

4:44:12I GUESS LIKE I SAID JUST

4:44:14SPECIFICALLY TO THAT ONE IT WAS

4:44:15JUST A.

4:44:15CONTRACTOR THAT'S KNOWN TO THIS

4:44:17AREA FOR DOING UAP AND.

4:44:18MULTIPLE OTHER.

4:44:19ONES TOO AND WE STILL DON'T

4:44:20HAVE TWO OTHER ONES BUT I THINK

4:44:21THAT WAS.

4:44:22>> THE POINT.

4:44:23>> BUT THANK YOU.

4:44:25I SEE NO OTHER LIGHTS ON.

4:44:26WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND

4:44:28IS THERE ANY FURTHER DEBATE?

4:44:31SEEING NONE MADAM CITY CLERK

4:44:33PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

4:44:35GUNTER I.

4:44:38COULD DO.

4:44:39NO KILL RAIN.

4:44:41ALL RIGHT.

4:44:42>> PLASTER, NO LEMON.

4:44:45UH LONG.

4:44:47NO STINKY.

4:44:48UH, TUNNEL.

4:44:50ALL RIGHT.

4:44:51FIVE EYES, THREE NAYS.

4:44:53MOTION CARRIED.

4:44:55THANK YOU.

4:44:55>> WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX.

4:44:57SEE RESOLUTION 245 DASH 26.

4:45:00MADAM CITY CLERK, PLEASE READ

4:45:01THE TITLE.

4:45:04RESOLUTION 245 DASH 26 A

4:45:07RESOLUTION OF THE MAYOR AND

4:45:08CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF

4:45:10CAPE CORAL, FLORIDA RELATING TO

4:45:11THE CONSTRUCTION AND FUNDING OF

4:45:13IRRIGATION WATER IMPROVEMENTS

4:45:16DESCRIBING THE PROPOSED NORTH

4:45:17THREE IRRIGATION WATER

4:45:18IMPROVEMENT AREA AND THE

4:45:20IRRIGATION WATER IMPROVEMENTS

4:45:21NECESSARY FOR THE PROVISION OF

4:45:22IRRIGATION WATER SERVICE

4:45:24THEREIN ESTIMATING THE COST OF

4:45:26THE IMPROVEMENTS.

4:45:27ESTABLISHING THE METHOD OF

4:45:28ASSESSING THE COSTS AND

4:45:29BENEFITS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS

4:45:31AGAINST REAL PROPERTY THAT WILL

4:45:33BE SPECIALLY BENEFITED.

4:45:35ESTABLISHING A PUBLIC HEARING

4:45:36TO CONSIDER IMPOSITION OF THE

4:45:38PROPOSED ASSESSMENTS AND THE

4:45:39METHOD OF THEIR COLLECTION.

4:45:41DIRECTING THE PUBLICATION AND

4:45:42MAILING OF NOTICE OF SUCH

4:45:44HEARING.

4:45:44DIRECTING THE PREPARATION OF

4:45:46PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT ROLES,

4:45:48DIRECTING THE PROVISION OF

4:45:50NOTICE AND CERTAIN OTHER

4:45:51MATTERS IN CONNECTION THEREWITH

4:45:52AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE

4:45:54.

4:45:56THANK YOU.

4:45:57>> I'LL NOW OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC

4:45:58HEARING.

4:45:58IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO

4:45:59SPEAK IN RESOLUTION 245 DASH 26

4:46:01PLEASE COME FORWARD.

4:46:08SEEING NONE PUBLIC HEARING IS

4:46:10NOW OVER.

4:46:11MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 32

4:46:144526.

4:46:15SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A

4:46:18SECOND IS THERE ANY DEBATE?

4:46:23SEEING NONE WITH A MOTION AND A

4:46:25SECOND.

4:46:25MADAM CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL

4:46:27THE ROLL.

4:46:28GUNTER.

4:46:29>> I CAN DO NO.

4:46:35KILL RAIN.

4:46:35>> ALL RIGHT.

4:46:36LAST STRAW.

4:46:37NO LEHMAN.

4:46:40I LONG.

4:46:41NO STINKY.

4:46:43UH, TUNNEL.

4:46:45ALL RIGHT.

4:46:47FIVE EYES, THREE NAYS.

4:46:48>> MOTION CARRIED.

4:46:50THANK YOU.

4:46:51ITEM SEVEN IS TIME.

4:46:52>> AND PLACE FOR FUTURE

4:46:53MEETINGS.

4:46:53UH, THERE BE A REGULAR MEETING

4:46:55OF THE CITY OF CAPE CORAL

4:46:56COUNCIL SCHEDULED FOR WEDNESDAY

4:46:58,OCTOBER 7TH.

4:46:592026 BEGINNING AT 4 P.M. AND

4:47:01COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

4:47:02CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN?

4:47:03SO MOVED.

4:47:04>> SECOND.

4:47:05>> ALL IN FAVOR?

4:47:06AYE.

4:47:07>> ALL OPPOSED?

4:47:09>> MEETING ADJOURNED.