2026-11-02 - City Council Regular Meeting

01:14Welcome to the regular meeting of the

01:16Cape Coral City Council. Today is

01:17November 2nd, 2026. This meeting now

01:20comes to order. Please stand for the

01:23invocation and pledge of allegiance by

01:24Council Member Leeman.

01:27Let's

01:35let everyone

01:37gallery and council realize

01:43and that we need to speak to each other

01:51and kind to each other.

01:58Amen.

01:58>> Amen.

01:59>> Amen.

02:02>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

02:05United States of America and to the

02:07republic for which it stands, one nation

02:11under God, indivisible, with liberty and

02:14justice for all.

02:20>> Adam, city clerk, please call the role.

02:24>> Mayor Gunter,

02:25>> here.

02:27Um, your honor,

02:30>> I meant to mention before I started roll

02:32call that council member Kaduk will be

02:35arriving after roll call.

02:37>> Mayor Gunter

02:38>> here.

02:39>> Council members Donell

02:41>> here.

02:41>> Kilra

02:42>> here.

02:43>> Last

02:43>> here.

02:44>> Leman

02:45>> here.

02:45>> Long

02:46>> here.

02:46>> Sanki

02:47>> here.

02:49>> Kaduk

02:50>> here.

02:50>> All present.

02:52>> Thank you. Uh, item five is changes to

02:54the agenda. Do we have any changes to

02:56the agenda or I will entertain a motion

02:58to adopt the agenda as presented?

03:00>> Motion to adopt as presented.

03:03>> Second,

03:04>> Mr. City Manager.

03:06>> Thank you, mayor. Uh, I'd like to ask if

03:09the board would consider moving

03:10resolution 30226

03:13uh up to after this item. Uh, I did

03:17check the comment cards. There are two

03:18people that would like to speak about

03:20that resolution.

03:22Is that uh particular resolution is that

03:24in the uh

03:25>> it's in consent

03:26>> consent agenda and what what item uh

03:29what letter is that?

03:30>> Uh it is G

03:32>> G. So you'd like to move that up till a

03:36right after adoption of the agenda?

03:38>> Yes, sir.

03:39>> All right.

03:40>> So modify my uh motion.

03:42>> Does the second agree?

03:43>> Second agrees.

03:45>> Okay. Seeing no other lights on. Madam

03:46city clerk, please call the role.

03:50Last

03:51>> I

03:51>> Leman.

03:52>> Hi

03:53>> Long.

03:53>> Hi

03:54>> Stein.

03:54>> Hi

03:55>> Janelle.

03:56>> Hi

03:56>> Gunter.

03:57>> I

03:58>> Kaduk

03:58>> I

03:59>> Kil Rain

04:00>> I

04:00>> eight I eyes. So motion carried.

04:03>> Okay. I'd uh like to uh move to uh item

04:07G under the consent agenda resolution

04:10302-26.

04:12And I'll turn it over to uh Mr. City

04:14Manager.

04:15>> Thank you, mayor. Uh this item is for an

04:17incentive agreement for the Costco

04:20Wholesale Corporation. Uh we have been

04:23working with Costco on a site uh to

04:26identify a future development in the

04:28city of Cape Coral. Uh the site that we

04:31are dealing with um has uh was

04:34previously a burrow pit in the city of

04:36Cape Coral and as a result of that there

04:40are some compaction issues with the

04:42soils on the site necessitating the city

04:45to uh come up with a way to work with

04:48them in order to make this a developable

04:50property. Uh so with that we are move we

04:53are recommending enhanced value uh

04:55recapture grant which is essentially a

04:58deferral of the collection of their

05:01property taxes uh that while they're con

05:05after they have constructed it will

05:07allow us to collect uh public service

05:10taxes. It'll allow us to have gas taxes,

05:12sales taxes. Uh it will bring uh

05:16building value that will help uh our

05:18residents fire service assessment that

05:21is based on uh equivalent benefit units.

05:25And in addition to that, in lie of

05:28having to do a um collect mobility fees

05:32or impact fees and then turn around and

05:35have to self-manage projects, we we've

05:37worked with co with the Costco Wholesale

05:40Corporation to enhance Chaita Boulevard

05:43along the the properties development

05:45line to widen the roads and add an

05:48additional signal. So rather than us

05:50collecting that and then having to do

05:51that, we we believe what we have is a

05:53beneficial

05:55um incentive here that will allow them

05:57to make beneficial use of the property,

05:59bring muchneeded jobs to our community,

06:01cut trip traffic across the bridge, and

06:04get some muchneeded [music]

06:05transportation improvements. Thank you.

06:09>> Okay. Thank you. Uh Council Member

06:12Kelling.

06:13>> Yeah. Uh I just want to mention that uh

06:15one of the things that the uh

06:19city manager mentioned uh was the

06:21incentives uh provided and uh so so the

06:25people out there recognize and all the

06:26residents understand uh Costco has

06:29internal hurdle rates that they have to

06:31that they require that they have to uh

06:35meet in order to be able to bring in a

06:37development like this and they're

06:39competitive within Costco. Uh so to the

06:42extent that they're they have other

06:44properties that don't have impairments

06:46on them uh is one reason why we're

06:48affording them uh the opportunity to do

06:51this with with the incentives that we're

06:54providing. Uh in addition to that uh

06:57from a longstanding

07:00uh reputation that Costco brings along

07:05uh property values typically increase uh

07:08when they come in. So there's an

07:10inherent value and a magnet effect to

07:13attract other good businesses. So uh by

07:16doing this and with those incentives, I

07:19think it's going to be a great condition

07:21for the city and certainly be a valuable

07:24asset to add. So with that, mayor, I'd

07:26make a motion to approve that

07:28resolution.

07:30>> Thank you. Is there a second?

07:32>> Second.

07:34>> Any discussion?

07:37>> Say none. Madam city clerk, please call

07:39the role.

07:40>> Last

07:41>> I

07:41>> Leman,

07:42>> I

07:42>> Long,

07:43>> no.

07:44>> Steini,

07:44>> I.

07:45>> Darnell,

07:46>> I.

07:47>> Gunter,

07:48>> I.

07:48>> Gaduk,

07:49>> I.

07:50>> Rain,

07:50>> I.

07:51>> Seven eyes, one nay. Motion carried.

07:54>> Okay. Move to item six is recognitions

07:56and achievements. Uh, tonight we have a

07:58tribute to the uh veterans

08:01uh

08:03Veterans Day uh observance. Um, this

08:06will be uh the last meeting before we

08:09get to November 11th. That's why we're

08:10having it tonight. Uh, today uh I ask

08:15that we uh honor the courage,

08:17resilience, and dedication

08:19uh and the safeguarding of our freedom

08:22and democracy.

08:24This time, I'd ask everyone to please

08:26rise uh for the national anthem, which

08:29will be sung by Ava from Oasis High

08:32School.

08:41Oh, say can you see

08:47by the dawn early

08:51light, [singing]

08:53what so proudly

08:56we hail

08:59at the twilight [singing]

09:02last gleaming.

09:06Whose broad stripes and bright stars

09:10[singing]

09:12through the paral

09:15fight.

09:18Or the ramparts

09:20we watched

09:23were so gallently

09:27streaming. [singing]

09:31And the rockets

09:34red glare,

09:36the bombs bursting

09:39in air,

09:41gave proof through the [singing] night,

09:47that our flag was still [singing] there.

09:53Oh, say does [singing] that star

09:57spangled

09:59Bet [singing]

10:02way.

10:06Oh, the land

10:08of the free

10:12and the home

10:15of the

10:18brave.

10:22>> [applause]

10:28>> Great job. Thank you very much.

10:39>> I'd ask any veterans who may be present

10:42here today to either raise your hand if

10:44you're standing or if you can please

10:45stand to be recognized.

10:49[applause]

10:53>> [applause]

10:57>> Thank you very much for your service and

10:59your sacrifice uh to our country.

11:05We now invite everyone to watch a

11:07special video that is a tribute to the

11:11highlights of the courage and

11:13commitments of our veterans and reminds

11:15us of the sacrifices that each one of

11:18them have made for each one of us. Could

11:21you play the video, please?

11:29For the freedom you fought for and the

11:32flag you stood for. For the country we

11:35cherish and the people we love.

11:39For the bravery you showed and the

11:42fortitude you held. [music]

11:44For the days of dedication and the

11:47nights of devotion.

11:50For the miles you walked and the skills

11:53you learned.

11:55For the months of training and the years

11:57[music] of service.

12:00For the memories you carry, of the

12:03[music] battles you saw.

12:05For the legacy of your courage [music]

12:08and the honor you deserve. When our

12:11nation needed you most. [music] You

12:13answered the call. A deep and unshakable

12:16sense of allegiance and responsibility.

12:20You were bold. You did not hesitate.

12:22[music] And you did not walk away.

12:25You were gone for holidays and

12:27anniversaries and birthdays because

12:30while we were living in peace [music]

12:32and freedom, you were fighting for it.

12:36Thank you is not enough. We can't repay

12:39you, but we [music] will promise to

12:41remember. You are the reason we can sing

12:44the land of the free and [music] the

12:46home of the brave. You are the heroes

12:48among us. You are not forgotten.

12:52You are the veterans.

12:58[music]

13:06[music]

13:08[bell]

13:11[music]

13:25>> [music]

13:33[music]

13:38[music]

13:39>> We remember your courage. We honor your

13:43sacrifice

13:44and we thank you today

13:53[applause]

13:58[applause]

13:59again. Thank you for joining us as we

14:01honor our veterans.

14:04As you all know, we are a Purple Heart

14:06city. As Veterans Day approaches on

14:08November 11th, I want to remind everyone

14:11about our Veterans Day parade. A day to

14:13recognize our veterans here in Cape

14:15Coral, which is Saturday, November 7th

14:18at 11:00 a.m. along Cape Coral Parkway.

14:21This annual tradition brings our

14:23community together to celebrate and

14:25recognize the men and women who have

14:28wore our nation's uniform.

14:31I encourage you all to attend. bring

14:33your family and help us fill the streets

14:36with appreciation and pride for their

14:39service.

14:41If you see a veteran, please take a

14:42moment to thank them. As we all know,

14:45freedom isn't free. And they've made a

14:48big commitment and a big sacrifice for

14:49our community. And not only did they

14:52make that sacrifice, their families did

14:54as well.

14:59Thank you. And may God bless our

15:01veterans and our city and the United

15:03States of America. And thank you to all

15:05the veterans.

15:10[applause]

15:14Hey, we'll move on to the uh item B on

15:16the agenda is presentation uh for the

15:19Cape Coral Student of the Month. Uh I'll

15:22go ahead and make my uh way down to the

15:24front. Uh, madame city clerk, could you

15:28uh recognize who this individual is? And

15:31uh once I get down down there, we'll uh

15:34invite this individual to the front.

15:45Oasis High School. Gemma Lebong,

15:56if she would please come on up front.

16:00And also, uh, is, uh, Miss Collins here

16:05as well?

16:08Not here?

16:16I haven't checked in. Well, as we all

16:20know, uh what we do here in the city

16:22working and partnering with Lee County

16:24School District is we try to uh

16:27represent

16:29uh and choose a individual each month uh

16:32the Lee County School District does.

16:34This month just so happens it was uh a

16:37student from our uh municipal charter

16:39school. Uh we're excited to celebrate

16:42this outstanding student and her

16:44achievement not only in the classroom

16:46but also through her leadership,

16:48service, and positive contributions that

16:50she has made in school and throughout

16:52our community. This young lady truly

16:55represents the bright future of her

16:57city. We commend her for her hard work,

16:59her dedication, her commitment to

17:01excellence, and we're honored to

17:03recognize her here this evening.

17:07Uh, madame city clerk, if you would

17:09please uh uh state the students name

17:13again and we'll give her a round of

17:14applause for all of her hard work and

17:17and dedication.

17:19>> Gemma Leebal, a senior at Oasis High

17:22School.

17:24[applause]

17:28[applause]

17:53Okay. Next on the agenda uh is last call

17:55for any comment cards. Anyone who wishes

17:58to speak during citizens input which is

18:00coming up here uh very soon uh please

18:03remember you had to fill out a card uh

18:05for the city clerk to recognize you. So

18:07if you haven't filled out a card and you

18:09are interested in speaking tonight uh

18:12please come out and fill out a card now.

18:15Uh item eight is citizens input.

18:18Citizens input is a maximum of 60

18:21minutes on the input of citizens on

18:23matters concerning city government.

18:25Three minutes per individual. Please

18:27remember to state your name for the

18:29record. Madam city clerk, how many cards

18:31uh do we have so far tonight?

18:33>> 25.

18:35>> I'm sorry.

18:36>> 25.

18:37>> 25 cards. Uh

18:40before we move forward with citizens

18:42input, do we want to keep it at three

18:44minutes or since we have so many people,

18:46do we want to do two minutes? I'll leave

18:47that up to uh the body here.

18:50>> Leave it at three.

18:51>> Leave it at three.

18:52>> Three. Do we need to make a motion to

18:55extend citizens input for those

18:56additional

18:57>> Well, I'm sure that we will, but let's

19:00get through the first hour and then I'll

19:02stop. Uh we'll probably be starting here

19:04about 4:20, so 520 if we're still going,

19:07then

19:08>> then I'll stop for a motion to be made.

19:10>> Okay.

19:11>> All right. Uh Council Member Darnell, I

19:13see your light on.

19:14>> Yes. I just wanted when I when we get

19:16this kind of turnout, that means UEP is

19:18flashing all across the banner. and I

19:20read a couple of comments. So, we'll

19:22hear everyone who wants to speak. I

19:24think there's been some misinformation

19:26about what's happening unless you guys

19:28know something I don't. If you look at

19:29those three issues, it's to rescend what

19:32was sent to you all already. So, it has

19:34stopped. So, tonight we are not trying

19:37to turn it and reverse it to put it back

19:39on. I heard some people talking. So, as

19:42you all are here tonight, those who came

19:43to speak and say, "Hey, pause it. Stop

19:45it." That's where it is. these three

19:48items, we have to resend it because

19:50we've already sent it to you in order

19:53for it to move forward, but we have

19:55stopped it. So, we have to take it back.

19:57So, I just thought those of you all who

19:59were saying, "Oh, I want the speaker to

20:00stop." It's not moving forward unless

20:02there not five people up here that are

20:04going to change their vote to to put it

20:06back on. So, I just thought you would

20:08like to know that before some of you all

20:10came to speak. All right, that's all.

20:13>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And just a

20:14reminder for the business portion of the

20:16meeting and during citizens input,

20:18citizens are given opportunities to be

20:20heard concerning matters scheduled on

20:23the council or any other matters

20:24pertinent to the city in order to

20:26promote an order orderly system of

20:28holding a public business meeting ensure

20:30that individuals are not embarrassed or

20:32harassed as a result of their exercise

20:34of a right of free speech. The city has

20:37established uh and adopted by city

20:40council resolution uh the following

20:42rules. Speaker is required to maintain

20:44proper decorum at all times. Only the

20:47person recognized by the mayor shall be

20:50addressing the city council or making

20:52any audible remarks during the business

20:54portion of the meeting. Also, uh any

20:57individual who is speaking must uh

21:00address the council as a whole and not

21:02as a particular uh individual on

21:05council. Unauthorized remarks, stomping

21:08of feet, whistling, or similar

21:09demonstration shall not be permitted

21:11during the business meeting. No person

21:13is permitted to interrupt the city

21:14council proceedings and the comments of

21:17any other rec uh person recognized by

21:19the mayor mayor in any manner. No person

21:22is permitted uh to behave in a

21:24disorderly manner by shouting, yelling,

21:26whistling, chanting, singing, dancing,

21:29clapping, foot stomping, cheering,

21:31jeering, or engaging any other

21:33disruptive display during the council

21:35meeting. No person is permitted to

21:37refuse to follow the instructions uh

21:39that have been above adopted by the city

21:41council or that may that person may be

21:44asked uh to leave the council chambers.

21:47Uh so with that uh madam city clerk I

21:51know we have a lot of people tonight so

21:53we want to make sure that we hear from

21:54each one of you. Uh madam city clerk

21:57please call that first individual

22:01>> Lou Navara

22:04Jeremy Gluck and Kyle Laadoo.

22:32Did we get the uh 3mm minute clock

22:33working? Madam City Clark.

22:36>> Yes.

22:36>> Yep. Okay.

22:39Good afternoon, Mayor Lunavara and

22:42Council, veteran, longtime veteran

22:45resident. Today's topic, our city at

22:48work. My request was brought to council

22:52for the leak. Of course, it was denied.

22:54And here's the letter. You know, 50

22:55years I've been a great customer, but I

22:58didn't waste 10,000 gallons. You need to

23:01address these things.

23:03Double light at Hancock Bridge. Mayor, I

23:05met with you and remember you told me to

23:08call LCEC. Well, I did. Trish Lasser of

23:12Lce said that's the city to ask for a

23:15safety lights.

23:18Remember, you saw it. So, end of story.

23:22She said the city hasn't put double

23:24lights in the medians for 20 years. I

23:27think that's a safety hazard. No wonder

23:30people are getting in wrecks.

23:32Whatever. public works asked for some

23:35asphalt on the side of the codac. They

23:38said, "No, we only fix potholes

23:41because the trucks run around the

23:44circles, whatever code enforcement."

23:48Still a selected process by the manager,

23:51Mr. Hoglin, and uh he still reserves the

23:54right. I have a council member, though.

23:56He's on the case, my buddy. We made up

24:02code enforcement. We did that. Okay.

24:05Here's the last thing I got to say and

24:07we'll move along.

24:11My council member, he refuses and

24:13ignores his constituency,

24:16including

24:18a candidate who has to speak to him. He

24:21was turned out in 2015,

24:24but he found a way to return.

24:27Now, he had the audacity, this is what

24:29hacked me off, to appro change his mind

24:32and approve the education, the uh

24:35motorpool, the biminy basin, the yacht

24:39club, tearing down everything like

24:41you've torn everything else down.

24:46[clears throat] You know, I don't know

24:47where you get the audacity

24:50to do that. You're not even duly elected

24:54in my opinion.

24:56We will we'll be researching more of

24:59this.

25:00Wonder Woman, you want to put a dump in

25:03the educational park? That's wrong.

25:06That's for education. I asked Dress for

25:10Success. And she said, "We have no

25:11money." But you have money. You have

25:14money for the hospital to help them. You

25:17have money for this, money for that.

25:23Do you all care about the people here?

25:26And mayor, lastly, with 12 seconds, this

25:30agenda that you got passed, it it is

25:33longer than the military code of conduct

25:36in the US Army.

25:38Shame on you. Thank you.

25:44Here's

25:47all your pictures. But

25:49>> thank you.

25:51>> Thank you, Lou.

25:52>> Jeremy Gluck and Kyle Lahamadoo.

25:57>> Hold on. There's a

26:01>> ma'am. I don't think your name was

26:02called yet.

26:03>> Linda Marorrow.

26:06>> No, I don't believe so.

26:07>> I swear that was the

26:11>> Yeah.

26:21Hi, I'm Jeremy Gluck, six-year resident,

26:23District 2. This is my eighth council

26:25meeting in 26, my third time up here.

26:29Regardless of tomorrow's election

26:30results, unimpeded community input, and

26:33resident action is the only thing that

26:35will change the ongoing distrust of our

26:38mayor and city council. gentle reminder,

26:41you do work for us, but many of us want

26:44to help.

26:47Citizen committees need to become a

26:49thing again. Based on my background

26:51expertise, I would personally love to

26:53volunteer to help with zoning and

26:54planning, risk management, and insurance

26:57to ensure our growing city doesn't get

26:59adversely influenced by any more special

27:01interest or packed money. What will the

27:04rest of you bring to the table? We have

27:06some amazing residents with very

27:08specialized expertise who are not

27:09looking to enrich themselves or be

27:12politically influenced whatsoever. They

27:14just want to see this wellpositioned

27:16municipality become a worldclass

27:18destination. And it will be okay. Credit

27:22where credit is due. I asked twice about

27:24the America 250 banners in earlier

27:26meetings and Councilwoman Layman

27:28followed through. She tracked down my

27:30phone number and delivered one to me in

27:32my driveway. We actually had a fun

27:33conversation. Thank you.

27:36[clears throat] But I don't know what

27:37happened to the rest of them, so I'm

27:38going to guess they're still sitting

27:40somewhere. But I would volunteer to help

27:42manage the auctioner sales and

27:44distribution of the remainder of the

27:45American 250 banners. Maybe all proceeds

27:48could go to the flag maintenance fund.

27:50Costco, this is a huge company that

27:53methodically chooses population growth,

27:56chases population growth. That is their

27:58business model. They do not need any tax

28:00incentives to build in Cape Coral.

28:02Didn't in Naples. didn't in Fort Myers.

28:05They will build no matter what. Please

28:07say no to the $10 million ransom.

28:10Biminy East and Yach Club projects. Why

28:12were these pushed uh so hard, rushed?

28:15Some would say, why weren't any of these

28:17put to an actual citizen vote? What we

28:20want is the only thing that matters. At

28:22a bare minimum for the Crown Biminy East

28:24deal should have made them pay an

28:26opportunity fee. $5 million for the

28:29opportunity to build in our growing

28:30city, not just $250,000 to walk away if

28:34the Army Corps says they can't build a

28:35marina,

28:37especially if we're going to give away

28:38the land that the city and the CRA paid

28:40for. Please, please try something like

28:43this on the next project. Commercial

28:45commercial tax base growth. What is our

28:48specific plan? Who are we recruiting?

28:50Private equity firms, super intelligence

28:53firms. What about a worldleading mariner

28:55academy embedded within biminy east or

28:56the yacht club projects? Or is it too

28:58late for that?

29:00For [clears throat] the seven islands

29:02developer, you should be funding and

29:03sponsoring our worldclass uh rowing team

29:05in perpetuity. Same for any other large

29:08project developer. You should be funding

29:09our youth sports and arts programs. This

29:12should be the price of admission. We

29:14need to do better with our negotiations.

29:17Positive comments. There's a long list

29:19of things I love about our spectacular

29:20city and I do think council's trying to

29:22do the right thing to balance our growth

29:24and infrastructure needs. Greed and

29:26politics always just get in the way.

29:28Mayor Mayor Gunter,

29:29>> thank you.

29:30>> Congratulations. Enjoy your well well

29:32>> retirement.

29:33>> Thank you.

29:35>> Thank you.

29:42>> Good evening. Kyle Lama, District 7,

29:44take out the trash. Um, sorry to

29:46disappoint a lot of people today. I

29:48could not find a skirt in that size so

29:51fast. So, I didn't get to wear it here

29:53today, but mayor, if you're still here

29:55next year, I will be on your doorstep on

29:57Halloween.

29:58>> So, [laughter]

30:00now, um, kind of funny. I heard somebody

30:01talk about the CRA and it was your job

30:03to do it. Wasn't the stipen the reason?

30:06Wasn't that the reason you guys got the

30:08stipen was because of doing all the work

30:10on the CRA? So, now you had to do it for

30:11free, I guess. Never should have had the

30:13stipen in the first place. I believe

30:14many people in the room here would agree

30:15with that.

30:17So,

30:18all right. Now, I'm going to talk to

30:20council member Donnell. Did you know

30:23address? No, you say should. You will

30:26say should, not must. So, did you know

30:28the following event prior to

30:30reconsidering your vote on the solid

30:32waste RFP? On 16 26, the solid waste RFP

30:37was released. On or about 116, the city

30:40pulled that RFP.

30:43On 2206,

30:46the city put out that solid waste RFP

30:48again with a required waste transfer

30:51station. The same day, the friends of

30:55John Gunter pack got a $10,000 donation

30:58from Waste Pro. There are a lot more

31:01details in between, but I'll let you

31:03research them. So, that's up to you.

31:05Now, I'm going to move over to Costco.

31:07So, love Costco. I was shopping at

31:09Costco with my mom as a little kid when

31:11it was the Price Club. probably people

31:12remember Price Club back in the day. So

31:15they are worth roughly $450 billion.

31:18They don't need our 10 million. I'm

31:20sorry that pisses me off that they're

31:22even getting offered it. But again,

31:23nothing shocks me what happens in this

31:25in this room. So

31:32again, tomorrow is going to be hopefully

31:34another historic election for the people

31:36and a lot of things are going to change.

31:38Um, mayor, it seems that you are as sore

31:41as my thighs were rubbing together in

31:43that skirt that you posted. Um, but

31:45again, you know, everybody's got to get

31:48remember to get out and vote tomorrow.

31:50It's a huge, huge election and this

31:52could be a big change in the city in the

31:54right direction. So, um, I don't know if

31:58you're going to steal your emotional

31:59support, Gavl. We'll see about that. And

32:01please let the door hit you on the ass

32:03on the way out. [applause]

32:07Please no applause.

32:09>> J Press, J Press, Dave Kalish, and Bob

32:14Girtland.

32:22[clears throat]

32:38Good evening members of the city council

32:41and honorable mayor. My name is Jay

32:44Press and I am a resident of Coral Lakes

32:47and I live on Sawrass Lake Court. I'm

32:50standing here before you to urgently

32:52request that you reject any proposal to

32:56build a waste transfer station near our

32:58neighborhood. We are a community of

33:00families, children, and retirees who

33:04invested in this area looking for safety

33:06and peace of mind. Placing a major trash

33:10transfer station right next to a gated

33:12residential community fundamentally

33:15clashes with the purpose of a

33:17neighborhood. The massive influx of

33:20heavy trucks will create severe traffic

33:22hazards, constant noise and safety risks

33:26at our very doorsteps.

33:28My deepest concern tonight is for our

33:31health. I am currently battling stage 4

33:35lung cancer. I know I don't look it.

33:39Every single day, my health depends

33:41entirely on the quality of the air I

33:43breathe. Our community is already

33:46carrying more than its fair share of

33:48environmental burdens. We already live

33:51with a mulch and concrete recycling

33:54facility in our immediate area which

33:57constantly releases dust, particulate

34:00matter, and silica into the air. That

34:04was kind of snuck under the radar in our

34:07community. Adding a trash transfer

34:09station into this exact same radius is a

34:13recipe for disaster.

34:15Transfer stations are notorious for

34:17releasing bioerosol,

34:19mold spores, diesel exhaust from idling

34:22trucks, and toxic dust. For a cancer

34:26patient or for any resident with asthma,

34:29COPD, or growing lungs, this isn't just

34:33an inconvenience.

34:35It is a direct threat to our lives.

34:38The cumulative effect of two major

34:40industrial dumping and processing sites

34:43next to a residential zone is

34:44unacceptable.

34:46We are not asking for special treatment.

34:48We are asking for environmental justice

34:51and basic human empathy. Our air is

34:53already compromised. Please do not

34:55degrade it further. I urge this council

34:58to look at the human cost of this

35:00decision. Please protect your residents,

35:03protect our air, and vote no to placing

35:06the transfer station near our community.

35:09I realize that apparently this was taken

35:13off the docket or whatever you guys call

35:16it. This I'm unfamiliar with coming to a

35:19council meeting, but this is for the

35:21future. I don't want to see this

35:24transfer station near our community.

35:28Thank you.

35:30>> [applause]

35:38>> Please, there's no clapping during the

35:40business portion of the meeting. If you

35:42continue to do that, we will take a

35:44break. So, we have a lot of people that

35:47have to get through and speak tonight.

35:49So, that's what the rules are. The rules

35:51haven't changed. Most of you know what

35:53the rules are. So, please, I'm asking

35:55you, you want to put your hands up. Uh,

35:58that way you're still quiet. That's

35:59fine, but please no more clapping. Go

36:02ahead, Dave. I'm sorry.

36:03>> Are you It's all right. Are you done?

36:04>> Yep.

36:05>> Okay, good.

36:07Okay. Um

36:10I'm just going to go with what I have to

36:12say. I'm doing something totally

36:14different for me because usually I just

36:17break you guys chops. Even though you

36:19totally deserve it, I'm going to do

36:21something different.

36:23This is for the people in the city more

36:25than it really is for you guys. God

36:28moves in mysterious ways.

36:32God, we trust in you. God's purpose to

36:36write and to correct wrong. We all need

36:39to believe in God. We each need our own

36:43connection.

36:45We all need to rise and get involved.

36:48Come to council meetings and speak up.

36:51Talk to your neighbors. Talk to your

36:53friends. Get as many people involved as

36:55you can.

36:58I know people are working hard to

37:00survive. Times are tough. Even though by

37:03the money we spend in the city, you

37:04wouldn't know that. We need to rise up

37:08and instead of sitting home being upset

37:10with what's going on or even not paying

37:13attention or leaving it up to the people

37:16running the city, which obviously is a

37:20huge mistake and very costly. We need to

37:23band together with God and bring back

37:26the city we used to love. All I could

37:29say is please and we can take back our

37:33city.

37:35>> Amen.

37:39>> Okay, it's the last warning with the

37:40clapping.

37:41>> Oh yeah, we've heard it.

37:42>> Yeah, a few times. We're gonna miss you

37:46[laughter]

37:47and

37:48>> sir. My name's Bob Gerler. I live in

37:51Carl Lakes um right down the road from

37:55this transfer station if it goes through

37:57and I'm not a real big fan of another

38:01garbage dump next to my house. We

38:03already have the um

38:07grinding station for the mulch and the

38:10concrete behind our community which

38:14covers our community in dust every day.

38:19We were told one thing and council

38:22approved

38:24uh zoning changes that allowed that.

38:28One of your um members notified us that

38:31that's been in longer than we have and

38:35that's not true. We've been there as a

38:37community started in 2006

38:40and I don't think that station started

38:43until 2020.

38:46So, I would like you to vote no for that

38:48transfer station. However, it needs to

38:51go. I don't We already have one and

38:56moving it to

38:58It sounds like it's the same thing

39:00that's down Kismmet behind the water

39:02treatment plant or whatever that place

39:04is down there off of Kismmet. So, I'd

39:07like you to look at that as to continue

39:10or expand that area. Thank you. Thank

39:14you.

39:15>> Tony Adolf, Paul Barnes, and Barney

39:19Pilowski.

39:31My name is Tony Adnalfi. I live in the

39:34Yach Club District. I'm here to set the

39:36record straight for what happened at the

39:37meeting last time when you kicked me out

39:39at 9:15 when nobody was here. I said

39:42during my comments that there were no

39:44town halls on the biminy east and there

39:46were none. That man said there were. He

39:49was talking about the developer open

39:51house

39:53at that was at the uh Hampton's in I

39:57attended that was for developers. That

39:59was not for the public. That was mostly

40:02attended by city employees and a few

40:04developers and maybe three or four

40:06public. So there was no none on a half a

40:10billion dollar project. No input for the

40:12citizens, no give and take, no allowance

40:16to hear us, no anything. That is wrong.

40:20Okay. The other thing I want to correct

40:27the yach club 35 million that you

40:30approved that originally stopped because

40:33it was four on four.

40:36The city manager and the the mayor

40:41both manipulated this poor woman into

40:44changing her vote by scaring her into

40:47thinking you needed 35 million to

40:49support the boat house. That's insane.

40:52That 35 million, the only thing they've

40:54engineered is the McGiller that he

40:57wanted. There's no other engineering.

41:00You could you would use a fraction of

41:02that to support the boat house and a

41:04discussion with them and giving people

41:06more time to think about it. They wanted

41:08that through so they could tear up the

41:10roads and you're forced to go down the

41:12path. That's what they're doing. That

41:15has to stop. You should revote now and

41:18be honest with the with your

41:19commissioners up here.

41:21You you don't need 35 million to do

41:24that. That was to do everything else,

41:27not the boat house.

41:29And then after I left, Mr. Snakey said,

41:32"People don't like change."

41:35Right. I heard you. I I paid attention.

41:38You're right. People don't like change.

41:41People especially don't like change when

41:42you shove it down their throat and you

41:44don't let them speak. So, I make a

41:46recommendation to whoever becomes mayor.

41:48You need a procedure that requires

41:51whoever's sitting in his chair to have a

41:53change management plan which maybe you

41:56could research and you would know more

41:57than what you speak about. Change

41:59management plan will require you to

42:01communicate with the public on any

42:02project I don't know over 50 million

42:04that's going to go into a neighborhood.

42:06You get the public you get their input.

42:08It's going to be 500 million. You meet

42:10often with them.

42:12>> You make sure you get their input and

42:14then you wouldn't have this. You would

42:16have none of this if you would listen to

42:18the public, but you just want to do what

42:20you want to do. And I can't thank you

42:22for taking the job because I think some

42:24of you took it for your own personal

42:25gain. And I think that that's been

42:27proven.

42:29Thank you.

42:30>> Thank you.

42:34>> All right, we'll take a 15-minute break.

59:32the meeting back to order again. No

59:34clapping if uh there will be no more

59:36warnings. Next time it'll be a 30-minut

59:38break. So, let's get through this so

59:40everybody has an opportunity to speak.

59:42Go ahead, sir.

59:44>> Thank you. My name is Paul Barnes, 36

59:46year resident, raised four kids here,

59:48Southwest Cape. Uh, first off, I want to

59:50address Costco. I think they should be

59:52paying us to come here. I think whoever

59:54ne negotiated the deal did a shitty job.

59:56Flatout shitty job. They should be

59:58paying us. We should be paying them.

1:00:00They're not going to bring they're going

1:00:01to bring in their own skilled labors.

1:00:03We're only going to get lowpaying jobs

1:00:04at the end of it. And they're not going

1:00:06to hire any local skilled labors,

1:00:08contractors, anybody to do the work.

1:00:09It's all out of town coming into town.

1:00:11It's just a bad deal altogether.

1:00:13Secondly, for Freedoms Park, something

1:00:16that's near and dear to me and my four

1:00:17kids that were raised in that park. I

1:00:19think you need to be voting uh yes to

1:00:20make it a historical land site. Uh it

1:00:23does meet everything that's needed

1:00:24required by the Florida Division of

1:00:25Historical Resources. As far as age, 50

1:00:28plus years. Two, physical integrity,

1:00:31location, design, and setting has pretty

1:00:33much stayed the same in 63 years.

1:00:35Historical signature falls under

1:00:37critical events significant to our

1:00:39nation's history. Roosevelt speech 1941,

1:00:42four freedoms. So it should by all means

1:00:45of the definition and unless I I'm an

1:00:48idiot and I'm not. It's a historical

1:00:50monument. You guys have given away all

1:00:53the waterfront property that belongs to

1:00:55the city to developers. Developers and

1:00:58special interests. Enough is enough,

1:01:00guys. We voted for you. Well, some of us

1:01:02vote. Only two of you up here I voted

1:01:03for. And you're the only ones that have

1:01:05done the will of the people. The rest of

1:01:06you done whatever you've wanted to do.

1:01:08You get on, you take special interest

1:01:09money, you take your pack money, and you

1:01:11run with it. And then whatever we want,

1:01:13we don't get anything. It's it's it's

1:01:15all about what the city wants and what

1:01:16the special interest groups want. And

1:01:18we're tired of it. You know, we the yach

1:01:20club has looked like nothing for four

1:01:22years. You've done nothing at all. And

1:01:24you know, you got seven islands is

1:01:26another catastrophe. If we don't have

1:01:28the infrastructures that we should have,

1:01:29we should have a flyover at Santa

1:01:30Barbara and Veterans Right now. Where's

1:01:32that at? You know, and then you're going

1:01:34to give you're going to give Costco $10

1:01:35million to come to town. They should be

1:01:37giving us a $10 million check or 20 or

1:01:3930 to come to our town to do business in

1:01:42our town. Enough's enough, man. Our kids

1:01:44deserve to have a good quality park and

1:01:47infrastructure. You tore down JC Park,

1:01:49one of the best looking parks I've ever

1:01:50seen in my life, and you guys tore down

1:01:52to turn it into whatever the hell it is

1:01:54now. I won't even look at it. I won't

1:01:55even go there. You 36 years, I watched a

1:01:57city just implode from one liberal

1:02:00leadership after another liberal

1:02:02leadership, another liberal leader,

1:02:03another liberal leader, another liberal

1:02:05leader. Enough is enough, guys. All

1:02:07right. Any of you that are still on here

1:02:09after tomorrow, I suggest you don't run

1:02:11again because it won't be pretty next

1:02:13time around. I guarantee you toot will

1:02:15take care of that. And as far as the

1:02:17city kick and our new mayor, I look

1:02:19forward to his guidance, his leadership,

1:02:21and leading with freedom and integrity.

1:02:24>> Thank you.

1:02:25>> Thank you,

1:02:29>> officer. the young lady there in the

1:02:31blue sweater and the white shirt that

1:02:33was just clapping. Could you ask her to

1:02:35leave

1:02:36>> for

1:02:39not following directions?

1:02:44>> Yep. Anybody else's claps? I'll have you

1:02:47removed.

1:02:49>> Everybody was

1:02:51claps.

1:02:52>> You were the only one in the back row

1:02:54that I saw this time.

1:03:00I'm good.

1:03:04>> Barney Palasi, Ken Walker, and

1:03:08>> we're going to hold off until uh we get

1:03:09that uh individual escorted out.

1:03:22>> We need to stand up in solidarity for

1:03:24our first amendment.

1:03:25All right.

1:03:30>> What's the uh Madam city clerk?

1:03:32>> Madam city clerk

1:03:35>> Barney Palasi,

1:03:37>> Ken Walker, [applause] and Wes Owen.

1:03:41>> Officer, this this gentleman right here.

1:03:44Gentleman right here. Escort him out.

1:03:48>> Yeah.

1:03:53>> Oh my god.

1:03:57Are you serious?

1:04:12>> We'll take another break until we get

1:04:13this resolved.

1:12:29Again,

1:12:39please no clapping during the meeting.

1:12:42That's being disruptive, disorderly.

1:12:45You'll be asked to leave if I see you

1:12:47clapping. We have a lot to do here

1:12:49tonight. Citizens input supposed to end

1:12:51at 5:20. We could technically end it

1:12:54then. So, that's probably not going to

1:12:57happen. long as you abide by the rules,

1:12:59we'll get through this. Everybody will

1:13:01speak. These aren't my rules. These are

1:13:03rules that are adopted by the city

1:13:05council. I It's my job to make sure that

1:13:08they're enforced. So, just let's get

1:13:11through this. I know there's a lot of

1:13:13people here want to speak tonight. We

1:13:15want to hear what you have to say, but

1:13:16it's got to be in a orderly manner, not

1:13:19in a disorderly manner. I don't think

1:13:21I'm asking too much. Madam City Clerk,

1:13:24please call the next person. Barney

1:13:26Pilaski, Ken Walker, and Wes Owen.

1:13:50>> Hello everyone. Thanks for being here

1:13:52today. My name is Kenneth Walker. I own

1:13:54a home here in Cape Coral on Fort

1:13:56Street. I'm here today in opposition to

1:13:59the Costco that's proposed to go in at

1:14:02600 Chaita Boulevard South. I'm not expo

1:14:06opposed to a Costco coming to our city,

1:14:08but just not at that location. It's a

1:14:10terrible location. The city announced a

1:14:12partnership with Costco at that site,

1:14:15but to my knowledge, Costco doesn't even

1:14:17own the land at 600 Chita Boulevard

1:14:20South. With that said, up until a month

1:14:23ago, the site was propos supposeded to

1:14:25be an apartment complex named Chaita

1:14:27Falls. The property is currently owned

1:14:29by Chaita Land Development. The property

1:14:32at 600 Chaita Boulevard South is 52

1:14:35acres with 26 acres being a retention

1:14:39basin holding 250 million gallons of

1:14:42storm water. There are rumors going

1:14:44around that the retention basin is going

1:14:46to be filled in. Is this true?

1:14:50The basin is essential to storm water

1:14:52drainage in the area, including my home.

1:14:55I don't know how Cape Coral can vote to

1:14:57give Costco $10 million in incentives

1:15:00with no studies have been done to the

1:15:02impact to the community. That

1:15:04intersection, plus the residential

1:15:07street that I live on, cannot sustain

1:15:10another four to 5,000 cars a day,

1:15:12especially with the added traffic at

1:15:15that intersection with the new Waw Wa,

1:15:18Chick-fil-A, and Seven Brew Coffee

1:15:20that's currently going in.

1:15:23Please don't let Costco come to that

1:15:25location and ruin our city. Thank you.

1:15:28>> Thank you,

1:15:29>> John Bashaw, Michelle Daniel, and Robert

1:15:32Burns.

1:15:33>> Hold on. Hold up.

1:15:38>> Wes Owen.

1:15:40Last meeting, our city manager

1:15:41interrupted council proceedings twice.

1:15:44The first time he nearly broke his arm,

1:15:46patting himself on the back over Doge's

1:15:48filings.

1:15:49The second one was to berate council

1:15:51member Kaduk for asking questions during

1:15:53a public meeting instead of asking him

1:15:55privately.

1:15:56How dare you bate an elected council

1:15:59member for asking questions publicly? If

1:16:01you or your staff are unprepared to

1:16:03answer those questions in front of

1:16:04taxpayers, that's a failure of city

1:16:06planning and preparation. Council

1:16:08members are elected to oversee city

1:16:10management, not the other way around.

1:16:13Council members can ask questions

1:16:14privately, but public questions deserve

1:16:16public answers where every taxpayer can

1:16:18hear them. Tom Shadrach, Jay Higgins,

1:16:22Charles Crane, and I are among the

1:16:23members who have raised questions in

1:16:24these chambers without receiving

1:16:26answers. If you and your staff cannot

1:16:28answer questions about an item before

1:16:30council, then that item isn't ready for

1:16:32a vote. Bring back the answers before

1:16:35asking council to make the decision.

1:16:38Now, back to Doge. Apparently, the city

1:16:40manager read different reports.

1:16:42Doge identified up 6.5 million dollars

1:16:45in savings and for personnel savings. It

1:16:48identified excessive management layers,

1:16:50supervisors with almost nobody reporting

1:16:52to them, and procurement concerns

1:16:54involving more than $100 million in

1:16:56contract amendments and change orders.

1:16:59These findings deserve a public

1:17:01presentation, measurable corrective

1:17:03actions, and council oversight, not

1:17:05self- congratulation.

1:17:07And speaking of accountability, let's

1:17:09turn to substantiated fire station one

1:17:12campaign violations.

1:17:14The city's investigation substantiated

1:17:16policy violations involving the use of

1:17:18fire station one for a political

1:17:19campaign video. Fire Chief Mike Russell,

1:17:23I'm directing these questions

1:17:24specifically to you. What corrective or

1:17:27disciplinary action has been taken? What

1:17:30safeguards have you established to

1:17:32ensure city facilities and fire

1:17:33department personnel are not improperly

1:17:35used for political campaigns again?

1:17:38And for a city attorney, have you

1:17:40reviewed whether actions of both fire

1:17:43department personnel and candidate Dave

1:17:45Newton potentially violated Florida

1:17:47statutes 104.31 or 106.5?

1:17:51If not, why not?

1:17:53Have these findings been referred to law

1:17:55enforcement for an independent

1:17:56investigation?

1:17:59I'll close with this.

1:18:01Public questions deserve public answers.

1:18:04Documented violations deserve

1:18:06accountability. and findings identifying

1:18:09opportunities for improvement deserve

1:18:10action because every taxpayer matters.

1:18:13Thank you.

1:18:19>> John Bashaw

1:18:20>> I did it

1:18:28>> Michelle Daniel Northwest Cape Coral.

1:18:31I'm a little irritated about what

1:18:32happened. So, I'm gonna cut this short

1:18:35and address what I was um what what just

1:18:38happened. The theatrics first. I want to

1:18:40say it's me. I'm the one that sent you

1:18:42guys 15 pages of complaints,

1:18:46which has gone largely unressed. I want

1:18:49answers to my questions.

1:18:52I don't buy the diarrhea of the mouth

1:18:54from the city manager regarding the

1:18:56Delta and the AL5 explanation, and I'm

1:18:59sorry if you do. That just makes you

1:19:01foolish. There's a $3,000 discrepancy

1:19:04between the Delta and the ALT 5 as was

1:19:07presented. I want to know once again how

1:19:10those fees went from non-assessed to

1:19:12assessed because maybe he explained the

1:19:14Delta 5, but there's $3,000 that was

1:19:17still snuck into our assessments that

1:19:20shouldn't have been. And the same people

1:19:22working on the UE3 should not be the

1:19:25same people going forward on the

1:19:27redesign until we get our answers or our

1:19:30questions answered and find out who is

1:19:33incompetent.

1:19:36That being said, this Costco stuff is

1:19:39nonsense. Um, builders want to build

1:19:42here, let them pay for it. Fort Freedoms

1:19:45Park belongs to us, not builders. I took

1:19:49my son there. My son is now a military

1:19:51veteran and a correctional officer. My

1:19:55parents and our family moved down since

1:19:57the 80s. Okay, early 80s. This park

1:20:01belongs to us, not for profit for a

1:20:03builder. Make it designated as a

1:20:06historical property. So, I have a minute

1:20:09and a half left. I'm going to address

1:20:11this just happened.

1:20:14I'm a sandwich. Okay, does everybody

1:20:16know what a sandwich is? That means I

1:20:18have older parents. I have a a son now

1:20:21who has a granddaughter.

1:20:24I work. My time is valuable. I don't

1:20:28think you all realize what it takes for

1:20:30me to get here. Not to mention that I

1:20:32have to stand up in front of a room full

1:20:34of strangers and probably embarrass

1:20:37myself. I don't like doing this. It's

1:20:40not fun for me. But these are important

1:20:42topics.

1:20:44I want to be heard. All of these people

1:20:46want to be heard. Running out of the

1:20:49room with your tail between your legs

1:20:50because you don't like people clapping

1:20:53is a waste of my time. That means it's

1:20:56longer, more of my time that I am spent

1:20:59away from work getting paid. And then it

1:21:02takes me longer to get home every 15

1:21:05minute break or every 30 minute break

1:21:07you decide to take. It's nonsense. It's

1:21:10disrespectful for us. We're all adults

1:21:13in this room, not children. Treat us

1:21:15like an adult and act like an adult

1:21:18yourself. Now, I have 11 seconds left.

1:21:22Nine seconds. I'm going to exercise my

1:21:25freedom of speech. I have the floor and

1:21:27I will use the remainder of my time.

1:21:34>> We need to have a uh a motion to extend

1:21:37citizens input. We started it at 4:20.

1:21:40I'll make that motion to extend citizens

1:21:42input

1:21:44>> for another hour.

1:21:46>> Yes.

1:21:46>> How many more speakers do we have?

1:21:50>> Roughly 20.

1:21:51>> Yeah, we're just getting started.

1:21:53>> How many?

1:21:54>> 20.

1:21:54>> I don't have an exact count, but it's

1:21:56roughly 20. 22 25.

1:21:58>> Yeah, that's

1:21:59>> okay. Would would council entertain the

1:22:02possibility to do two minutes so that

1:22:04everybody could speak? Would that save

1:22:07some time?

1:22:08>> Everybody good with that? Yeah, two

1:22:10minutes

1:22:11>> so we can get through because not

1:22:12everyone uses it.

1:22:14>> You prefer

1:22:15>> stick to the three minutes.

1:22:17>> Okay. Then my motion stands. Yes.

1:22:20>> So we got a motion on the floor to

1:22:22extend citizens input for another hour.

1:22:24Three minutes per individual.

1:22:26>> Madam city clerk, please call the role.

1:22:30>> Last

1:22:31>> I.

1:22:31>> Leman.

1:22:32>> Hi.

1:22:33>> Long.

1:22:33>> Hi.

1:22:34>> Steini.

1:22:34>> Hi.

1:22:35>> Darnell.

1:22:36>> Hi.

1:22:36>> Gunter.

1:22:37>> Hi.

1:22:37>> Kaduk.

1:22:38>> Hi. Kil Rain

1:22:39>> I.

1:22:40>> Eight eyes. Motion carried.

1:22:41>> Good, sir.

1:22:43>> Ready.

1:22:43>> Yes, sir. [clears throat]

1:22:44>> My name is Robert Burns. I moved to Cape

1:22:47Coral 16 years ago and I moved into

1:22:50Coral Lakes.

1:22:53In that 16 years, well, when I when we

1:22:56first moved in, the only thing on that

1:22:58stretch of the road was Bellvita.

1:23:02Since that time, lots of development has

1:23:06happened. Entrada was built. There's an

1:23:08Aldi's down the street. Coral Lakes

1:23:11finished and an added additional 200

1:23:14plus town houses or condominiums that

1:23:17weren't initially there. There's a gas

1:23:19station on the corner that actually

1:23:21stayed in business. There's a Publix.

1:23:23There's a medical emergency

1:23:27place. And it's still a growing street.

1:23:31If

1:23:32the solid waste goes in into kismmet

1:23:37delprad location that will stop.

1:23:41I live on Keystone Lake and 150 yards

1:23:46from my backyard back door is mountains

1:23:51of wood chips and groundup concrete.

1:23:55That's what we look at. If the wind is

1:23:57out of the south, you can't sit out on

1:23:59the the lai because you get the your

1:24:03eyes just fill up with sand and dust.

1:24:07[clears throat]

1:24:08Uh

1:24:10if

1:24:11I'm going to just about finish here. If

1:24:15the the initial

1:24:18indication of where this solid waste

1:24:22facility would go

1:24:25would um I've lost my place here.

1:24:30If if it will go through, the city of

1:24:32Cape Cave Coral needs to I believe needs

1:24:36to

1:24:38take a

1:24:41develop some kind of a [clears throat]

1:24:45way to serve the people

1:24:48that back up their homes are going to

1:24:50back up to both of these waste

1:24:52facilities somehow to give them the fair

1:24:56market value for the houses. Our houses

1:24:59that back up to the the wood chips and

1:25:02the sand and gravel right now are 35 and

1:25:06$40,000 below what people have paid for

1:25:09them when they moved in. And it should

1:25:11be the opposite. They should be have I

1:25:14hope you take those things into

1:25:15consideration. Look for other places in

1:25:19C Cape Coral. There are lots of land in

1:25:21Cape Squirrel where there isn't homes

1:25:24being built that are more appropriate

1:25:26for a waste. Thank you,

1:25:30>> Pellegrino Gilbert, Tom Shadrach, and

1:25:34Gary Eldrid.

1:25:43>> My first name is Pellegrino, last name

1:25:45Jill Birdie. I go by Bill. I've been a

1:25:48resident of the city of Cape Coral for

1:25:5031 years. Vacation between 1989, finally

1:25:53decided to move down in 1995. And we all

1:25:56know the reasons why we moved down here.

1:25:58Number one was, believe it or not, the

1:25:59yach club, JC Park, um, for Freedoms

1:26:03Park, uh, yach club for many years. I

1:26:06had a younger daughter. We used to go to

1:26:08the daddy daughter dance. I like to see

1:26:09that yach club brought back to the way

1:26:11it was. A more modern version. I mean,

1:26:14we don't need a hotel there. Are all our

1:26:16hotels in town really full at 80 to 100%

1:26:20occupancy, even in season? If not, why

1:26:23do we even need a hotel at Bimity Basin

1:26:26or

1:26:28or or at the Yach Club? We don't.

1:26:33I mean, is that going to bring in

1:26:34revenue? No. It it's

1:26:38it's totally insane if you were to ask

1:26:40me. Biminy East what I like to see is

1:26:43more transparency between council the

1:26:46mayor and the and the but we'll have

1:26:48that beginning what November 18th when

1:26:50the new people are sworn in and I'm

1:26:52preaching to people that are not even

1:26:54going to be here and I'm going to be

1:26:56happy when clapping is brought back.

1:26:58>> Yes.

1:27:00>> I mean I have

1:27:02almost close to a minute and a half and

1:27:05we all clap for a minute and a half

1:27:06because this is citizen input. This is

1:27:09not a dictatorship.

1:27:12I mean, it shouldn't be. We live in

1:27:14America. We are Americans. Whether

1:27:16you're Republican or Democrat, we're

1:27:18still Americans. Act like that. Act

1:27:21civil. Don't dictate to people how to

1:27:24act.

1:27:26I mean, we do have our freedoms. We have

1:27:28freedom of speech.

1:27:30We have our 10 bill of rights.

1:27:33I mean, it's we, the people who elected

1:27:35you, but you're supposed to work for us.

1:27:37We're paying the taxes. You're

1:27:39collecting your salaries.

1:27:42I mean, there's I was just upset because

1:27:46I would watch this on TV or YouTube,

1:27:48whatever. I don't want to come and see

1:27:50all these antics happening. It

1:27:52shouldn't. We are a civilized society.

1:27:55And all due respect, the person in

1:27:57charge should act civil as well.

1:28:01I mean,

1:28:03people here might even clap for you.

1:28:05People might clap for the people that

1:28:06are talking. I mean, clapping, there's

1:28:09nothing wrong with clapping.

1:28:13I just don't understand that part. But

1:28:15going to Bibin East now. I mean, for

1:28:18Freedoms Park, I mean, that's

1:28:19historical. I mean, I took my daughter

1:28:22there. She had daycare there. Uh, we

1:28:25have the musky geese there. It's a nice

1:28:27park. Just keep that area sanctioned it

1:28:31off and have the builders build around

1:28:33it. Plus, you wasted almost what? $56

1:28:35million and you sold off the property

1:28:37for 20 million. I mean, who does that?

1:28:42Who what kind of You're supposed to be

1:28:44involved in real estate. Okay, time's

1:28:46up. I'm good.

1:28:47>> Thank you.

1:28:51>> Officer,

1:28:53>> this uh young lady here in the blue

1:28:55shirt was escorted out, asked to leave

1:28:57because she was being disrupted. I guess

1:28:59she came back in.

1:29:00>> So, could you escort her out, please?

1:29:06Go ahead, Mr. Shadrach. Hopefully

1:29:08that'll be uh somewhat quiet.

1:29:12>> Good.

1:29:12>> Yes.

1:29:13>> Okay. Uh Tom Shadrach, uh just a couple

1:29:15items on the consent agenda. I was

1:29:18concerned about uh the storm water um

1:29:20consultant. That's 650 hours for a

1:29:23consultant to tell us how to do storm

1:29:25water better. Uh, I think we should have

1:29:27enough people here in Cape Coral that

1:29:29know how to do that and don't have to

1:29:31spend a consultant fee of for 650 hours

1:29:34of a PowerPoint presentation. Uh, that's

1:29:37consent item A. Uh, I did look at

1:29:41consent item D, $4 million to put water

1:29:44and sewer up. I assume that's for

1:29:45Victory Park. It's another development

1:29:48that we're helping to support. Just

1:29:51curious about that history also and

1:29:54putting that bill and putting it on our

1:29:56water bill versus economic development.

1:29:59But I guess I got to pay for that water

1:30:01line to go there. Uh and then the Costco

1:30:04a lot of discussion about that. Uh you

1:30:08know I think I read that it was we've

1:30:10been courting them for 5 years to come

1:30:13here. How is that what's that history?

1:30:16We always had to give them money to come

1:30:18here all along. Um, and then was there

1:30:22any cooperation with Lee County? Because

1:30:24right right now where that is, Matt

1:30:27Lache, Pine Island, Cape Royal, they'll

1:30:30all help that'll they'll be able to use

1:30:32that Costco without any fee because they

1:30:34don't pay taxes in Cape Coral. So, uh,

1:30:37just some questions that I have about

1:30:39what we're doing and why we're rushing

1:30:42through and having these things done on

1:30:44a consent item without a briefing of all

1:30:46the data and information that we could

1:30:48have. And then I hope to still be here

1:30:50for the hearings for the budget

1:30:52amendment. Thank you,

1:31:00>> Gary Eldrid.

1:31:02I think all of you know that I've been

1:31:04coming here probably for the last eight

1:31:07years or so. And I know most all of you

1:31:09met you personally or professionally

1:31:12either by

1:31:15uh by emails except for one and he knows

1:31:17that he's going to address me later. But

1:31:21a couple personal comments. I'd like to

1:31:23thank uh Mr. Long for his service. Uh

1:31:27he's been commendable. He takes the

1:31:30stand. excuse me for the city council. I

1:31:33can't direct him to him to take a stand

1:31:36when others don't want to take the stand

1:31:40and also another young lady at the end

1:31:43who makes sure that the city manager and

1:31:46everybody is accountable going forward.

1:31:50And I would hope the next four

1:31:52individuals that come also make sure

1:31:55that the city staff and the city manager

1:31:59are accountable going forward and I

1:32:02would appreciate it that they do take

1:32:04the action necessary.

1:32:06Lastly,

1:32:09I don't even want to go there. So, I I

1:32:11there's one individual that needs to

1:32:13resign on the city council, and we know

1:32:15who that person is and consistently

1:32:19changes her vote to make sure that it's

1:32:23a 44 tie. But anyways, thank you very

1:32:27much for the city and I look forward to

1:32:30working with the city council going

1:32:32forward.

1:32:34Chris Scoville, Anthony Bonfonti,

1:32:38and Thomas Senator.

1:32:50>> Come on, Tom.

1:32:54may have left.

1:33:02>> I guess I'm up. Okay. Thomas Senator,

1:33:05I've been a resident here for over 22

1:33:06years. I actually serve on two

1:33:08committees. I volunteer for the city.

1:33:10Today, I want to talk about what I heard

1:33:12earlier, your earlier session for the

1:33:14code violation for the community fridge.

1:33:18Um, I know I've been working with one of

1:33:19the council people uh very well, very

1:33:22helpful. I appreciate it. Thank you. I

1:33:25know I've been helping Dion a lot. So,

1:33:27right from the day she got the initial

1:33:29violation, I met with her within two

1:33:32days. I found an exclusion exception to

1:33:35get the enclosure. We started

1:33:37immediately working with an architect

1:33:40engineers going with the city. We got a

1:33:43design. We got a set of plans. She and I

1:33:46met with the entire city staff and Matt

1:33:48for the city was really helpful. She

1:33:50still is very helpful by the way. We had

1:33:53everything done. We brought a set of

1:33:55plans preliminary and we were told these

1:33:56are fine. They just needed an

1:33:58engineering seal. So we got that done.

1:34:01We submitted it. It gets rejected which

1:34:04is fine. I'm used to things like that.

1:34:06So we got it redesigned, got it reset,

1:34:09resubmitted it. We were told they were

1:34:12going to fasttrack it. Now, this is like

1:34:14eight or nine months. They said the

1:34:16plans are completely wrong to get them

1:34:19reddrafted from the get-go. Now, she's

1:34:22going to be fined $150 a day as of

1:34:26November 15th, plus a $300 court case

1:34:28because we for the special magistrate.

1:34:31And my concern is we put the application

1:34:34in for the permit immediately to get her

1:34:37in compliance to do it the right way,

1:34:39but yet they found her guilty of doing

1:34:41nothing, which is wrong. And I know that

1:34:44you guys can't really get involved and

1:34:46intervene with the special magistrate.

1:34:49But is there a way to get some kind of

1:34:52exception to get this permit approved to

1:34:56get started? Because right now it's just

1:34:59the the certification numbers for the

1:35:02roof material and the screws securing it

1:35:05to the ground is holding it up. We have

1:35:08a crew ready to get this thing done

1:35:10within three days. This could be

1:35:12completed and we would not have to be

1:35:14here and I wouldn't have to talk on it.

1:35:16So if you can do something, help us out.

1:35:19Anything. Please don't make her get

1:35:21fined. Thank you.

1:35:26>> [snorts]

1:35:30>> Good afternoon. My name is Chris. The

1:35:32last name is Scoville.

1:35:34And I live on Sawrass Lake Court in the

1:35:37Cape Coral in the Coral Lakes community.

1:35:40And I'm here to address and strongly

1:35:42oppose any possibility of an industrial

1:35:45dump or waste transfer station on the

1:35:48land commonly known as Academic Village.

1:35:52This area is home to several residential

1:35:55properties. Coral Lakes alone has over

1:35:58700 rooftops and at the corner of Kismet

1:36:01delpra there are businesses,

1:36:03restaurants, grocery stores and I think

1:36:06that corner is ripe for development but

1:36:08it needs to be um positive development.

1:36:11And I've also understood that the

1:36:13property in question has already been

1:36:16reszoned to industrial at the October

1:36:1820th meeting. If that's true, were we as

1:36:22area residents informed that that

1:36:23reszoning request was proceeding?

1:36:27So, I can't imagine is of any civic

1:36:29leaders looking down on an area maybe

1:36:32from a aerial view and even considering

1:36:35putting such a facility that close to

1:36:37proximity to that many homes and

1:36:41residential properties.

1:36:43So, as part of that proposed site sits

1:36:45behind Sawrass Lake Court, which is

1:36:48right at the end of my street, my family

1:36:50will personally be impacted as I live

1:36:53right there along with many of these

1:36:54other people. We already sit out on our

1:36:57lenai and we already hear all the the

1:36:59the noise from the mulch pile, the

1:37:01crunching of the machines, the beeping

1:37:03of them backing up and whatever. And so

1:37:06now I don't want to walk out my front

1:37:08door and look to the right. Instead of

1:37:10seeing green grass and beautiful trees

1:37:12at an open space,

1:37:15um, am I going to see a dump? Or instead

1:37:18of bird song in the morning, am I going

1:37:20to hear the constant sound of trucks

1:37:22coming and going for 12 hours a day?

1:37:25Would any of you want that in your

1:37:27community, in your neighborhood? I hope

1:37:30not. So, please don't let this happen.

1:37:33>> Thank you.

1:37:42My name is Anthony Bonfi.

1:37:46I also live in Coral Lake community and

1:37:49I was here for the original meeting when

1:37:51the landscape company wanted to change

1:37:55the zoning to light industrial for that

1:37:58property.

1:38:00We fought and stopped a fueling station

1:38:03or a 24-hour truck garage.

1:38:07And what they've done now, and I

1:38:09understand your requirements for

1:38:12fencing. What's there now is an 8-ft

1:38:15fence with fabric.

1:38:18It blows down on a regular basis. Their

1:38:20mulch piles are 30 feet plus tall. Now,

1:38:25you live here in the city. What do you

1:38:28think that wind does when it starts

1:38:31kicking up 20, 30, 40 miles an hour

1:38:37all through the community

1:38:40and it's just an absolute mess

1:38:43as it is now.

1:38:46Now, if you want to extend it,

1:38:50what what are we the dump? I mean, we

1:38:54have Lake Me Park that was supposed to

1:38:56be developed by 2025.

1:38:59They've piled

1:39:03mounds of waste,

1:39:06concrete, and everything right on the

1:39:09streets. It's just unbelievable. And in

1:39:14our area, that park would be needed for

1:39:17all the children. And again, this

1:39:21it shouldn't be about big business. It's

1:39:23about the citizens,

1:39:26not

1:39:28business. I understand. Oh, you're going

1:39:30to get jobs. What's the pay for those

1:39:32jobs? How long is it going to take to

1:39:34pay this money that you're using to give

1:39:37them? How long is that going to start

1:39:40being [music] in the green?

1:39:43I just don't understand.

1:39:46>> Thank you. Thank you,

1:39:48>> Mike D. Francesco, Judy Mitchell, and

1:39:52Lisa Cohen Atkinson.

1:40:01>> Good afternoon, mayor, members of the

1:40:03council. My name is Mike D. Francisco

1:40:05and I live in the northwest section of

1:40:07Cape Coral. Um, I'm here today today not

1:40:10to talk about Costco, but to uh voice

1:40:14with serious concern regarding the

1:40:16efficiency of the public works

1:40:17department, specifically regarding storm

1:40:20water ditch maintenance and utilization

1:40:22of great all machinery. Living in Cape

1:40:25Coral, we all know how vital our ditch

1:40:27and drainage systems are to preventing

1:40:29localized flooding, especially during

1:40:31heavy rain events. However, I've noticed

1:40:34significant inefficiencies in how crew

1:40:37time and heavy equipment are being

1:40:38managed. Recently, on Friday, October

1:40:41twered

1:40:43a greatall sitting at the intersection

1:40:45at Chaita and Chropana in the field

1:40:47behind 7-Eleven around 11:15

1:40:50a.m. 2 and 1/2 hours later, when I came

1:40:52back by, that same grade all was sitting

1:40:55in the exact same spot, not being

1:40:57utilized. This is not the first time

1:40:59I've noticed this equipment remaining

1:41:00idle for hours at a time. I've noticed

1:41:03it in different sections of Cape and

1:41:05they're sitting and not being used with

1:41:07crews sitting by them. Um

1:41:10uh while the equipment is vital, the

1:41:12actual time spent actively clearing

1:41:14ditches appears deeply un underutilized.

1:41:17I'm very concerned having spent 25 years

1:41:20working directly in this field before my

1:41:22recent retirement. Proper planning is

1:41:25key. When expensive city equipment sits

1:41:28idle and crew time is not optimized,

1:41:31it's it has a direct negative impact in

1:41:34our community. Leftover debris blocks

1:41:36the flow of water leading to standing

1:41:38water, mosquito breeding grounds, and

1:41:40and an increased risk of flow of water

1:41:43leading to standing water preventing the

1:41:46streets from flooding.

1:41:48Um, our taxpayers deserve to see these

1:41:51resources utilized effectively,

1:41:53especially since our swale grading

1:41:55program page notes that scheduling is 18

1:41:59months out to get ditches correctly

1:42:01pitched.

1:42:03I have contacted my city council member

1:42:05by phone four times leaving messages,

1:42:07once talking with his executive

1:42:09assistant with no response. I'm

1:42:11completely understand that uh he has

1:42:14many constituents and many issues to be

1:42:16handled and maybe he is trying to gather

1:42:19information to get this back to me. But

1:42:21if he was the wrong person to contact

1:42:23and nobody has advised me as such. Um

1:42:26there may be perfectly good explanations

1:42:28of why this equipment is sitting idle

1:42:30but my request for information has gone

1:42:32unanswered. I respectfully request that

1:42:34somebody in city management refer um

1:42:38review the uh current scheduling daily

1:42:40productive metrics and oversight

1:42:42protocols for our ditch clearing crews.

1:42:45We need to ensure that when a greatall

1:42:46is deployed it's being used to its

1:42:49maximum capacity to protect our

1:42:51neighborhoods and maybe we can reduce

1:42:52the 18month weight.

1:42:56Uh

1:42:58anyway, that's good enough. Thank you.

1:42:59Time's up.

1:43:00>> Thank you.

1:43:10Good afternoon, Mr. Mayor and Council.

1:43:13My name is Judy Mitchell, a Cape Coral

1:43:15resident and president of Cape Coral

1:43:18Friends of Wildlife, an all volunteer

1:43:20nonprofit organization.

1:43:23First, thank you for opening Yellow

1:43:25Fever Creek Preserve, a magnificent park

1:43:28in our city with a lovely environmental

1:43:30city center, a fishing lake, and camping

1:43:33facilities, just to name a few.

1:43:36Secondly, we are delighted with the

1:43:39positive outcome that our September 4th

1:43:41meeting with public works. We thank

1:43:44Damon Grant, assistant public works

1:43:46director, Rory Alverson, facilities

1:43:49manager, and Matt Williams, Rose Depala,

1:43:53and Sherry Nicodemus.

1:43:55At the meeting, the Friends of Wildlife

1:43:57presented research documentation of the

1:44:00harmful effects of second generation

1:44:03anti-coagulant rodenocides,

1:44:06rat poison, used around city-owned

1:44:09facilities.

1:44:10These poisons can take up to three days

1:44:13and many weeks to kill the rodents. As

1:44:18the rodents become weakened, they become

1:44:20easier prey for our raptors, including

1:44:24bald eagles, great horned owls, hawks,

1:44:28and our city bird, the burring owl. Cats

1:44:32and dogs, and other scavengers may also

1:44:35be placed in serious risk of secondary

1:44:38poisoning.

1:44:40Thanks to the diligent work of the

1:44:42public works staff, I have been informed

1:44:45that as of October 30th, our pest

1:44:48control contractor has replaced all

1:44:51rodenocides with snap tracks and rodent

1:44:55birth control measures. Entry point

1:45:00identification by sealing holes and

1:45:03cracks in our city facilities is also a

1:45:07priority to ensure this transition

1:45:09succeeds.

1:45:11Like DTT in the 1950s and the60s which

1:45:15killed me raptors and other wildlife,

1:45:18rodenocides killed a large family of

1:45:20great horned owls in Safety Harbor,

1:45:22Florida. And St. Petersburg and Marco

1:45:25Island have also banned rodenocides

1:45:27around city facilities and we understand

1:45:29that Massachusetts has recently issued a

1:45:32statewide ban.

1:45:35Southwest Florida Ottabon biologist

1:45:37Brittany Persma tested 59 brain on Marco

1:45:41Island and 55 came out positive for

1:45:45rodenocides.

1:45:46We are so proud to live in a city that

1:45:49prioritizes wildlife health and welfare

1:45:52and takes strong action and leadership

1:45:54to improve wildlife safety. Thank you so

1:45:57very much. God bless America.

1:46:01>> Thank you.

1:46:07Lisa Cohen Atinson, Southwest Cape. You

1:46:10have already taken a vote on the Costco

1:46:13$10 million, which violates Florida

1:46:16statute 286.1.0114.

1:46:21Votes are void without allowing public

1:46:23input except for items like employee

1:46:25recognition. A $10 million giveaway is

1:46:27not a minor move here. It's a major

1:46:30council action that requires a vote. You

1:46:32have broken the law today by attempting

1:46:34to vote without public input first. Your

1:46:37vote is not valid. Where is Keith Long?

1:46:40Seriously, the lawyer's not up here?

1:46:44Unbelievable. Okay. I initially was

1:46:47coming up here to say goodbye and to

1:46:51offer all of our condolences and and

1:46:55grateful moments. However, we have just

1:46:58watched some of the most horrific

1:47:00things. By the way, Kyle's microphone is

1:47:04up here. Um,

1:47:07and that's probably going to cost us

1:47:08another $100,000 in constitutional

1:47:11violations. Probably more if I know

1:47:13Kyle.

1:47:14[sighs]

1:47:16It's just more. It's just it's beyond

1:47:18horrible. Um, the legacy that's being

1:47:21left behind here today. This council is

1:47:23giving away millions in future revenue

1:47:26and public assets to cooperate in

1:47:29interest while to cooperate with

1:47:31interest while our own neighborhoods

1:47:34look for real solutions. Look at the

1:47:36biminy east an $81 million loss to the

1:47:39city including a $ 48 million clawback.

1:47:42What the people of Cape Carl don't know

1:47:44that I'm telling them right now is that

1:47:46for Freedoms Park was required to be in

1:47:49the RFP to even be considered. Again, it

1:47:53was required to be given away and taken

1:47:57away from the residents.

1:48:04The 1968 deed explicitly mandates that

1:48:07this land be kept open for public use as

1:48:10a recreational area. Your lawyers might

1:48:13argue that exploiting the legal loophole

1:48:16to let a private developer build over it

1:48:19technically legal, but forcing it into

1:48:21the RFP completely violates the moral

1:48:24spirit of the historical promise.

1:48:29So much disappointment. So much

1:48:31disappointment. No to a transfer station

1:48:33in our city. Not anywhere.

1:48:36And now we have, like I said, we just

1:48:39have more legal issues,

1:48:41more embarrassment, more disgrace.

1:48:48Marie Kavanaaugh, David Holy, and Linda

1:48:53Marorrow.

1:49:00>> [clears throat]

1:49:01>> My name is Marie Kavanaaugh, vice chair,

1:49:03take out the trash committee of Cape

1:49:05Quarl. First thing I want to address is

1:49:08the absolutely

1:49:10despicable display by our city manager

1:49:13at the last council meeting going after

1:49:18our district 7

1:49:21downgrading her because in her

1:49:24one-on-one meeting she wasn't asking

1:49:26questions and he, you know, just

1:49:29determined it because she wanted to

1:49:31waste council's time. Well, let me tell

1:49:33you exactly what she's doing. She

1:49:37doesn't want number one to give staff

1:49:40time to manipulate data to your liking

1:49:44and secondly anything that goes on in

1:49:47those meetings does not become part of

1:49:49the record. She wants these questions on

1:49:52the record and thank you Rachel for

1:49:55that.

1:49:57And now [clears throat] you

1:50:00you just shown the entire city that you

1:50:03are an vindictive, petty little man who

1:50:06feels the need to lord over us like a

1:50:09tinpot dictator. Just so you know, you

1:50:12have just so you know, you guys up there

1:50:16have all reached the apex of your

1:50:19political careers.

1:50:34Hi, I'm I'm David Holsey. I I just have

1:50:38I'm not going to go into some of the

1:50:40other stuff I wanted to ask today, but I

1:50:42I do have one question about the yacht

1:50:43club and the $35 million. What I don't

1:50:47understand is the way it was represented

1:50:50is that we had to get fire water, fire

1:50:53pressure to

1:50:58to the restaurant. To me, my question

1:51:02is, did we already pull up the sewer,

1:51:05the electricity, and the all the

1:51:07utilities? And if so, why? And number

1:51:11two, why does it take $35 million to get

1:51:14water flow for fire

1:51:20to that restaurant? That does not make

1:51:22sense to me. If we already had water

1:51:25there, if we had to replace that pipe, I

1:51:28don't think that's 35 million. Maybe

1:51:30according to what I've read on some of

1:51:34the emails, maybe 5 million. And I'm not

1:51:37going to talk about some of the other

1:51:38stuff I wanted to talk about. And I did

1:51:40want to say goodbye to Mr.

1:51:45Linda Marorrow,

1:51:47Eric Grassel, and Lewis Madden,

1:52:03[clears throat]

1:52:04Eric Graassel, Lewis Madden, Robert

1:52:07Padilla.

1:52:11any of those three individuals here.

1:52:13Come on up, sir.

1:52:21>> Good evening, mayor and council members.

1:52:23My name is Lewis Madden. I'm a Cape

1:52:25Crawl resident, a father of three, and

1:52:26the person who submitted the nomination

1:52:28for four freedoms park. I'm asking you

1:52:30to vote no on resolution 314-26 has

1:52:33written. First, the public deserves to

1:52:35understand exactly what this vote means.

1:52:37The resolution is worded to decline

1:52:39acceptance of the park's nomination as a

1:52:41historic and cultural resource. If the

1:52:43motion is to approve the resolution as

1:52:45written, a yes vote supports declining

1:52:46the nomination. A vote no opposes

1:52:49declining it.

1:52:52A no vote does not automatically

1:52:53designate the part as a historic site.

1:52:56It rejects the resolution to decline the

1:52:59nomination.

1:53:01I ask

1:53:03I ask that you state that clearly before

1:53:05taking the vote. residents should not

1:53:06have to untangle the wording to

1:53:08understand a decision about their

1:53:09community. I submitted this nomination

1:53:11because I believe for Freedom Park's

1:53:13history deserves serious consideration

1:53:15through the city's preservation process.

1:53:17Tonight, I expect the discussion to

1:53:19address the historical significance

1:53:21directly. If you believe the nomination

1:53:23does not meet the required criteria,

1:53:26identify those criteria, explain what

1:53:28evidence was considered, where you

1:53:30believe the nomination fall short, and

1:53:31whether additional documentation could

1:53:33address those concerns.

1:53:35The residents who care about this park

1:53:37deserve specific answers on the public

1:53:39record.

1:53:40For Freedoms Park significant deserves

1:53:42to be examined through records,

1:53:44photographs, and the experiences of the

1:53:46people connected to it. Those material

1:53:48should inform the decision. A growing

1:53:52city must take responsibility for the

1:53:53history it carries forward. Decisions

1:53:55that permanently change a place can

1:53:56outlast every person sitting in this

1:53:58room. That calls for careful judgment

1:53:59and a clear explanation. Maintenance

1:54:02needs and future plans deserve

1:54:03discussion. Yes. So does the historical

1:54:06and cultural value of the property.

1:54:07Please explain how each of these

1:54:08considerations is being weighed. I'm

1:54:11asking the council to reject the

1:54:12resolution and identify a clear next

1:54:14step for further consideration of the

1:54:16nomination, including an opportunity to

1:54:17provide additional evidence. I also ask

1:54:20that you avoid irreversible changes

1:54:23while that consideration is underway.

1:54:25Each council each council member voting

1:54:28to decline this nomination explain why

1:54:30based on acceptable criteria and

1:54:32evidence before you. We are here because

1:54:34this place matters to our community. We

1:54:36took the time to participate, bring

1:54:37forward a nomination, and speak before

1:54:39you. We expect that effort to receive a

1:54:42substantial response. Please vote no on

1:54:44resolution 314-226

1:54:47has written and give for Freedom Park's

1:54:48history the careful consideration that

1:54:50it deserves. Thank you.

1:54:52>> Thank you,

1:54:53>> Robert Padilla, Suzanne Padilla, and

1:54:58Rick Ericson.

1:55:01Could

1:55:09you uh repeat that again, please, Madam

1:55:11City Clerk?

1:55:13>> Robert Padilla,

1:55:15>> Suzanne Padilla,

1:55:18and Rick Ericson.

1:55:31Good evening, council and mayor. I'm

1:55:33Rick Ericson for District 1.

1:55:36This meeting's packet has over 2,151

1:55:41pages and over 19 motions.

1:55:44How does any citizen read that in time

1:55:46to speak? They can't. That's not

1:55:49transparency. That's a wall.

1:55:53The solid waste contract moves forward

1:55:55tonight. Order 64-26,

1:55:58an exclusive franchise with FCC

1:56:00Environmental with a public hearing on

1:56:02November 18th. Fine, but that's another

1:56:05long-term lock with one provider. Plus,

1:56:09the people do not want that transfer

1:56:11station in their location.

1:56:15Costco,

1:56:17I'm mixed. We want Costco here. It will

1:56:20bring revenue. But a company worth over

1:56:23$400 billion doesn't need Cape Coral's

1:56:25$10 million.

1:56:29Small businesses in this city pay their

1:56:31own way, their own permits, their impact

1:56:34fees, their taxes for every square foot.

1:56:38Why is the big company getting a rebate

1:56:41the little guy never got?

1:56:44If Costco believes in Cape Coral,

1:56:46they'll invest without a check from us.

1:56:50Please revisit that amount at the very

1:56:52least.

1:56:54If that $10 million is on the table,

1:56:56let's put it towards the people who live

1:56:59here and are struggling with their daily

1:57:01bills and the infrastructure problems

1:57:03that we have and will continue to have.

1:57:07Amendment three is on the ballot

1:57:09tomorrow. If it passes, that $10 million

1:57:12could help the city instead of raising

1:57:14taxes or adding special assessments that

1:57:17may come our way.

1:57:19That's where it belongs with us, the PA

1:57:22taxpayers. Sorry. Fort Freedoms Park.

1:57:28Let's vote no on that resolution. It

1:57:30should be a historic park. The Rosen

1:57:33brothers built it in 1960s. It was Cape

1:57:35Cole's first park.

1:57:37Now it's leased for 99 years at a dollar

1:57:40a year.

1:57:44They can change the name. They can

1:57:46change what happens on that park.

1:57:49A covenant is only words unless

1:57:50someone's willing to enforce it. Let's

1:57:53keep it away from special interest

1:57:54groups.

1:57:56North three. Three resolutions will

1:57:59resend the initial assessment resolution

1:58:01for public water, I mean potable water,

1:58:04waste water, and irrigation and cancel

1:58:07the associated public hearing. That's

1:58:09the right call as long as it does not

1:58:11take too long and causes prices to

1:58:13increase, which I'm sure they will.

1:58:17$35,000 or more is way too much for our

1:58:20citizens.

1:58:22Budget amendment ordinance 58-26.

1:58:25It increases fiscal year 2026 revenues

1:58:28and expenditures by 14,58,629.

1:58:34>> Thank you, sir.

1:58:35>> Thank you,

1:58:36>> Michael Allard, Kathy Schultz, and Jeff

1:58:40Burgerer.

1:59:03Mayor, council members, my name is Mike

1:59:06Allard. I'm the president of the Coral

1:59:07Lakes Community Homeowner Association

1:59:09and I'm speaking on behalf of the

1:59:11concerned residents of Coral Lakes and

1:59:13the surrounding Northeast Cape Coral

1:59:15communities. As it relates to ordinance

1:59:1664-26,

1:59:18we want to make our position very clear.

1:59:21We oppose any waste related operations

1:59:23in Northeast Cape Coral, including waste

1:59:25transfer stations, recycling facilities,

1:59:27commercial mulch piles, and any other

1:59:29waste processing or storage operations

1:59:31in the industrial park.

1:59:34In reviewing the city's Cape Coral in

1:59:37reviewing the city of Cape Coral

1:59:38strategic plan, I believe having a waste

1:59:40transfer station directly adjacent to a

1:59:41neighborhood contradicts principles

1:59:43aiming to preserve the character and

1:59:45aesthetics of neighborhoods in Cape

1:59:46Coral. Community health, safety, and

1:59:48quality of life is the cardinal point of

1:59:50the city's strategic plan to res to

1:59:52revamp Cape Coral to prioritize its

1:59:55residents. After reading the city's

1:59:57explanation to this point, it is evident

1:59:59that ideals such as preserving

2:00:01environmental health, neighborhood

2:00:02character and aesthetics, and conditions

2:00:04that allow residents to move through

2:00:06their communities with ease and

2:00:07confidence are all at the forefront of

2:00:09the city's plan. In its plan, the city

2:00:12elaborates on how ideals such as these

2:00:14are the city's priority.

2:00:17The proposed waste operations in the

2:00:19existing mulch pile raised serious

2:00:20concerns about truck traffic, noise,

2:00:23dust, odors, air quality, storm water

2:00:25runoff, and the potential impact on

2:00:28nearby wetlands and environmentally

2:00:30sensitive areas. These are not simply

2:00:32inconveniences. They're issues that

2:00:34directly affect the health, safety,

2:00:36property values, and quality of life of

2:00:37the families who live here. We also want

2:00:40to make clear that this is bigger than

2:00:42one company, one contract, or one

2:00:44proposed facility. We do not want

2:00:46northeast Cape Coral to become the

2:00:47city's dumping ground or designated

2:00:49location for waste related industrial

2:00:51activity. The fact that an area is zoned

2:00:53industrial does not mean every

2:00:55industrial use is appropriate,

2:00:57especially when residential

2:00:58neighborhoods and environmentally

2:01:00sensitive lands are nearby. We are

2:01:02asking the mayor and city council to

2:01:04listen to the residents who live here.

2:01:05Do not approve or encourage additional

2:01:07waste or recycling operations in

2:01:09Northeast Cape Coral and address the

2:01:11existing mulch pile as part of that

2:01:13commitment. Please protect our

2:01:15community, protect our environment, and

2:01:17protect the future of Northeast Cape

2:01:18Coral. Thank you.

2:01:20>> Thank you.

2:01:27[clears throat]

2:01:33>> The clock is stuck. I don't know if it's

2:01:35going to be reset.

2:01:36>> Could you reset it, please?

2:01:42>> Just hold on one second, sir. Sure.

2:01:47>> If not, madam city clerk, if you could

2:01:49do it manually.

2:01:50>> We have an alternate clock

2:01:51>> and if you would let him know when he

2:01:53has 30 seconds left.

2:01:54>> We'll do.

2:01:55>> Go ahead, sir. Mayor, council members,

2:01:58and fellow Cape Coral residents. I'm Dr.

2:02:00Jeffrey E. Berger standing before you as

2:02:02a Northwest Cape Coral property owner

2:02:04and a concerned citizen speaking about a

2:02:06responsibility that should never be

2:02:08negotiable. Accountability for public

2:02:10money. Our community continues to

2:02:12organize, examine financial records,

2:02:15compare government decisions, and demand

2:02:17transparency from the officials elected

2:02:20to represent us. We elected you to serve

2:02:24the community, not uh personal interests

2:02:26or political agendas. Today, council is

2:02:29considering 17 consent resolutions, a

2:02:32budget amendment of about approximately

2:02:3514.6 million, and other decisions affect

2:02:38affecting public resources. Among them

2:02:40is the proposed 10 million Costco

2:02:42incentive significantly um utility

2:02:46construction contracts and three

2:02:47resolutions rescending the North three

2:02:50incentive um assessments. We recognize

2:02:53North three uh reversal. But a rescended

2:02:56assessment is not an account is not an

2:02:59audit. A delayed project is not a

2:03:01complete account accounting. Residents

2:03:04still deserve to know how much has been

2:03:06spent, what remains contractually

2:03:09committed, and who pays for redesigns,

2:03:12and how future assessments will be

2:03:14calculated. We also deserve transparent

2:03:16explanations of economic development

2:03:19incentives, competitive contract

2:03:21pricing, and the sources and uses of

2:03:24public funds. These are not unreasonable

2:03:27demands. They are fundamental

2:03:29expectations of responsible government.

2:03:32We are not accusing anyone of a criminal

2:03:34um without evidence uh excuse me crime

2:03:37without evidence. We are demanding the

2:03:39documentation necessary to determine

2:03:41whether public money has been properly

2:03:44uh authorized, managed and spent to the

2:03:47current council um including officials

2:03:50who terms may end soon. Leaving office

2:03:52does not erase the public record or the

2:03:55responsibility to account for official

2:03:57decisions.

2:03:59And to those elected tomorrow, the

2:04:01community expects openness, integrity,

2:04:04and measured accountability from your

2:04:06first day. We are we are requesting four

2:04:09actions. One, an independent financial

2:04:11and procurement review of North 3,

2:04:13including past expenditures and redesign

2:04:16obligations. Two, full public disclosure

2:04:18of significant contracts, incentives.

2:04:20>> Seconds remaining,

2:04:22>> funding sources, and budget changes.

2:04:24Three, a written accountability register

2:04:27carrying every unresolved concern

2:04:30forward to the incoming council and

2:04:33responsible responsible um officials and

2:04:36responsible deadlines. Also,

2:04:38accountability for the audit that with

2:04:41allegations of financial mismanagement

2:04:44involving Cape Coral's building

2:04:45department fund. We the residents are

2:04:48continuing to work together. We're not

2:04:50going away. Petitions are already

2:04:52circulating in the community with uh

2:04:54signatures.

2:04:54>> Thank you, sir.

2:04:55>> We are the

2:04:56>> We are You are

2:04:59representatives.

2:05:00>> Thank you,

2:05:01>> Kathy Schultz, Danielle Francois,

2:05:05Jennifer Jen Alvarez Wada.

2:05:10>> And madame city clerk, if the time clock

2:05:13is still not functional, we'll just

2:05:15continue with that same uh approach. We

2:05:17will notify him 30 seconds before. Yes

2:05:20sir.

2:05:20>> Thank you.

2:05:22>> So that was Kathy Schultz, Danielle

2:05:26Francois,

2:05:27Jen Alvarez Wada,

2:05:32>> Liza King. Go ahead.

2:05:36Are you sure?

2:05:38>> Good evening, mayor and council members.

2:05:40My name is Danielle Franciosce. I live

2:05:42off Beach Parkway in Cape Coral with my

2:05:45family and I am here today to urge you

2:05:48to please accept the historic

2:05:50designation for for freedoms park. This

2:05:52park is not just a plot of land. It is a

2:05:55school shared um school, excuse me. It

2:05:58is a shared community landmark.

2:06:00Right now, this park holds the Liberty

2:06:02Tree, a massive, beautiful landmark

2:06:05paired with a plaque that honors the

2:06:07brave individuals who fought and died

2:06:09for the very freedoms this country

2:06:11stands for.

2:06:12To displace or alter a symbol of that

2:06:14magnitude is a disservice to our

2:06:17veterans and to our history.

2:06:19Beyond that, this park is filled with

2:06:22trees that were donated and planted by

2:06:24local families in memory of their

2:06:26deceased loved ones

2:06:29which are marked by individual plaques.

2:06:32These are living memorials. The

2:06:34emotional cost and toll on the families

2:06:36who come here to remember their loved

2:06:38ones cannot be offset by a corporate

2:06:40monument. You cannot mitigate grief with

2:06:43a plaque on a new concrete building. For

2:06:46Freedoms Park is incredibly small. If

2:06:48the goal is improvement, why must it be

2:06:50destructive? There are other parcels of

2:06:52land included in this broader project

2:06:55that are currently empty patches of

2:06:56grass. Those are the areas that can be

2:06:58built on. Why can we not leave the

2:07:00footprint of this historic park intact?

2:07:04If upgrades need to be made, we could be

2:07:07upgrading picnic tables, installing

2:07:08water fountains, adding amenities to the

2:07:10existing park and playground. We can

2:07:13completely revitalize this space within

2:07:15its current borders without tearing down

2:07:17the mature trees, destroying the

2:07:20preschool, or displacing and relocating

2:07:23the playground and school. I just ask

2:07:25you to please listen to the taxpayers

2:07:27who fund this city and please consider

2:07:30the profound emotional toll on this

2:07:32community, respect for our history and

2:07:34vote to protect for Freedom's Park and

2:07:36make it historical. Thank you for your

2:07:38time.

2:07:39>> Thank you,

2:07:45>> Jennifer Alvarez, Northwest Cape. Uh

2:07:48first of all, this uh $10 million uh

2:07:50issue with Costco has been obviously the

2:07:53topic of the night. Uh so we just want

2:07:55to make sure that we need someone up on

2:07:58the council to call for the

2:08:00reconsideration

2:08:02due to not allowing public input first

2:08:05before voting on the 10 million.

2:08:08Okay. So today I'm here to talk about

2:08:12the uh state's report, the Doge report.

2:08:14Thanks to uh Take Out the Trash and Cape

2:08:16Coral Data Book for providing us

2:08:18citizens the information. First problem,

2:08:21$100 million in adjusted contract. This

2:08:24here folks is very disturbing. I am sure

2:08:26our evil city manager has his

2:08:28fingerprints all over it. And thank you

2:08:31for Rachel District 7 for pointing out

2:08:33the West uh Waste Pro contract. I mean,

2:08:36this is just one example, folks, of

2:08:38what's been going on for many years.

2:08:40Second of all, management is topheavy.

2:08:43Uh, again, city's manager fingerprints

2:08:45all over this. Okay. Next, let's talk

2:08:48about his review. No accountability for

2:08:51losing $25 million on the biminy basin,

2:08:54destroying the JC Park, and now for

2:08:57Freedom's Park. Let's talk about

2:08:59something that take out the trash

2:09:01exposed. Somehow they were able to get a

2:09:03conversation with everyone discussing

2:09:05his review and literally came out of

2:09:08what Stenkin's mouth was unreal. Okay.

2:09:11He said something about we need to give

2:09:13the city manager a raise because of the

2:09:15price of gas uh are going up. Okay

2:09:18people, this is actually on recording

2:09:20for take out the trash and you could see

2:09:22it for yourself because this is crazy.

2:09:24Amanda makes so much money

2:09:26million-dollar pension and no worried

2:09:28about because gas and eggs are going up.

2:09:30Okay, next I want to talk about uh

2:09:33district

2:09:35five. Joe Joey,

2:09:39dare you give him all fives on his

2:09:42review.

2:09:44>> You are evil. You are disgusting and a

2:09:46disgrace.

2:09:47>> You have to address us as a body, not as

2:09:50an individual.

2:09:50>> He also ran on restoring citizens

2:09:53subject

2:09:55key committees.

2:09:56>> Did you hear what I said, ma'am?

2:09:57Champion is of the voice of bringing the

2:09:59people back including budgeting, parks

2:10:01and wrecks and yach club.

2:10:03>> He also wants to rebuild trust.

2:10:06>> Yeah, I don't think so. He ran on a gave

2:10:08the city a file on all the reviews.

2:10:12>> Lastly, I want to talk about Tom Shad

2:10:14and when he gets elected, he will expose

2:10:18all the fraud coming from our student

2:10:20manager and we need to make sure he gets

2:10:23elected. Tom Shad, District One. Thank

2:10:25you.

2:10:27No clapping, sir. Back here,

2:10:31>> Eliza King.

2:10:41>> Good evening, Mayor and Council. First

2:10:43and foremost, I'd like to thank you for

2:10:45your service. I know that for some of

2:10:47you, this is your last meeting. So, I

2:10:49would like to thank you for your service

2:10:50and dedication throughout this time. Um,

2:10:53I'm here tonight to ask that the

2:10:55decisions on this agenda be guided by a

2:10:57clear explanation of the costs, risks,

2:11:00and benefits to Cape Coral residents on

2:11:03the north three UEP. I understand that

2:11:07the proposed action would resend the

2:11:09initial assessment resolutions

2:11:12and move towards revised plans and new

2:11:15bids. We need a clear explanation of

2:11:19what will change, what cost will be

2:11:22removed or added, and how the city will

2:11:24keep utility assessments separate from

2:11:27the roadway improvements.

2:11:30Please clearly explain what the delay is

2:11:32expected to cost residents. RE residents

2:11:35need a public timeline for revised bids

2:11:38and updated estimates along with a

2:11:41meaningful opportunity to understand a

2:11:44breakdown of all of the numbers. I'd

2:11:47also like to raise the concern of a

2:11:49resident that I've been working with

2:11:51whose road and driveway are sinking.

2:11:55I would ask that this vendor, contracted

2:11:58vendor, be held accountable and ensure

2:12:00that this work be begins as soon as

2:12:04possible. When considering the budget

2:12:07amendment this evening, please identify

2:12:09which revenues are one-time and which

2:12:12obligations will continue in future

2:12:14years. We need a clear picture of how

2:12:17today's decisions will affect the city's

2:12:19long-term finances. Thank you.

2:12:23>> Thank you.

2:12:25Your honor, I have received three cards

2:12:27after last call.

2:12:31>> Okay. Hear that? We We've been here. I

2:12:34don't think three more cards are going

2:12:35to kill us. We good with that?

2:12:37>> All right.

2:12:38>> Robert

2:12:40Dreheim. Robert Dreheim, Tracy Sanders,

2:12:44and Julie Wilson.

2:12:50>> These will be the last three

2:12:51individuals.

2:12:53Good evening, council. My name is Robert

2:12:55Dreheim. I've lived here for over 35

2:12:57years. This water project, I understand,

2:13:00has been rescended. I wasn't here to

2:13:02make it uh the last meeting. My concern

2:13:05is my wife and I built our dream home

2:13:09for retirement

2:13:11and we un we anticipated about a $35,000

2:13:15water bill, which we had planned for.

2:13:18When I got my bill, it was almost

2:13:20$75,000.

2:13:23I have

2:13:25approximately

2:13:2745 to 50 feet of road frontage. It's a

2:13:31pieshaped lot.

2:13:34Total

2:13:36uh square footage is 16,000 square feet,

2:13:39but I have a pieshaped lot. We have a

2:13:412400 square foot house, just the wife

2:13:44and I.

2:13:46That $70,000 was not anticipated along

2:13:49with myself who's retired. My wife is

2:13:52retired.

2:13:54There's a lot of us in the Northwest

2:13:56Cape that have the same type of lot. And

2:13:59to get hit with a $70,000

2:14:02bill on top of the hookup charge is

2:14:07unacceptable.

2:14:10need something

2:14:13something needs to be done with how

2:14:16you're justifying paying for dirt

2:14:20versus paying for road frontage.

2:14:24So when you sending this out for rebid,

2:14:28please take in consideration,

2:14:30people who live on outside

2:14:33corners

2:14:35in the Northwest Cape have small

2:14:37pies-shaped lots and to be penalized for

2:14:40having a larger lot

2:14:44isn't acceptable.

2:14:46So, I ask you to please look into

2:14:51not paying for dirt, but paying for what

2:14:55we're going to actually use.

2:14:57Thank you. Thank you,

2:15:03>> Tracy Sanders and Julie Wilson.

2:15:13>> Good evening. My name is Tracy Sanders

2:15:16and I'm a resident of Cape Coral. This

2:15:19is my first time speaking to C city

2:15:21council. So, um I'm also a rescuer with

2:15:25Cape Coral Friends of Wildlife and with

2:15:27the clinic for the rehabilitation of

2:15:29wildlife on Santael. Through my rescue

2:15:32work, I've witnessed firsthand the

2:15:34devastating effects that rodenticide has

2:15:38on our wildlife,

2:15:41particularly on our majestic eagles and

2:15:44our delightful burrowing elves.

2:15:47Just two days ago, I responded to a call

2:15:49about an owl lying in a driveway.

2:15:52And when I got there, it was pretty

2:15:54unresponsive and it died on the way to

2:15:56get it help from internal bleeding.

2:16:01As Judy mentioned, the president of CCFW

2:16:05spoke that she spoken to the city about

2:16:07more humane methods of controlling rats

2:16:10on city property.

2:16:12Well, I don't know all the details of

2:16:14that discussion. I just wanted to come

2:16:16here tonight upon hearing about that and

2:16:18thanking you personally.

2:16:20This is an encouraging step towards

2:16:23thoughtful practical measures that

2:16:25protect our wildlife while addressing

2:16:27the needs of our community at the same

2:16:29time.

2:16:31On behalf of all rescuers for CCFW and

2:16:35Crow, I want to take you thank you for

2:16:38taking time listening to our concerns

2:16:41and for your staff helping take

2:16:43important steps towards protecting the

2:16:46wildlife that make Cape Coral so

2:16:48special. Thank you.

2:16:51>> Thank you.

2:16:58>> Thank you all for staying late. I'm Dr.

2:17:01Julie Wilson. I served in the United

2:17:04States Air Force.

2:17:06I also worked for the Department of

2:17:08Veterans Affairs

2:17:10where I retired out of there. I moved

2:17:12here because that's where I worked.

2:17:16to hear that in my backyard I'm going to

2:17:20have well we have the mulch pile and I'm

2:17:23just wondering if there's any way that

2:17:25we can assess what kind of toxins are

2:17:28coming out of them

2:17:30that would be much appreciated because I

2:17:33would imagine there's mold to start with

2:17:37I had a service dog I'm a disabled

2:17:40veteran

2:17:41I had a lot of concerns about that mold

2:17:45in the pile

2:17:47Um I'm also um as a psychologist at the

2:17:51VA when I worked there

2:17:53across from me would be my fellow

2:17:56veterans.

2:17:58Some of them came from Vietnam.

2:18:01Some of them came from the Gulf War.

2:18:04Some came back from Afghanistan.

2:18:07But one thing that was really clear and

2:18:08consistent is they said to me that they

2:18:12were getting cancer.

2:18:14My young service members, the men in

2:18:17particular, were coming back with sleep

2:18:19apnnea. And I would look at them and I

2:18:22go, "I don't understand this. Why are

2:18:24why are why do you have sleep apnnea?

2:18:26You're fit."

2:18:28And they said, "Ma'am, the burn pits."

2:18:32So, I'm coming here not because I wanted

2:18:34to come here, because I had other things

2:18:36I wanted to do, but because they sat in

2:18:39front of me

2:18:42and they have disabilities, they're

2:18:45permanent and they couldn't breathe and

2:18:48their health has been um severely

2:18:51compromised. So, while I'm a homeowner

2:18:54and I care about myself and my house and

2:18:57my neighbors because I live in the same

2:18:59area in Coral Lakes as my neighbors do

2:19:01and I mirror all those things that

2:19:03they're saying. I care about my

2:19:05veterans. I cared about my former

2:19:07patients. I still care about them.

2:19:10So, if we ever have something that comes

2:19:13up where there's toxic waste, something

2:19:16that's going to get in the water,

2:19:17something that reminds my PTSD veterans

2:19:21of burn pits and trash on the side of

2:19:24the road and makes them so scared that

2:19:27they get PTSD flare-ups. I'm going to

2:19:30ask you all to please say no. And I want

2:19:32to say in particular to one woman on the

2:19:35committee, and she knows who she is. I

2:19:37didn't get to meet her, but I saw her

2:19:39stand up and she was brave and I want to

2:19:41thank you. Not to call you out, but I

2:19:44wanted to meet you and I wanted to say

2:19:46thank you very much. I also

2:19:51I don't know how I get an answer to

2:19:52this, but I really want to know why

2:19:53don't why we don't have urban planning

2:19:58because it

2:20:00this is my house.

2:20:02>> Thank you, ma'am.

2:20:03>> You're quite welcome and thank you

2:20:05again. Thank you for your service.

2:20:06>> Thank you.

2:20:07>> Thank you for your service.

2:20:09>> All right. Citizens input is now closed

2:20:12and I will open it up for any council

2:20:14discussion. Council member Kadu.

2:20:16>> Thank you, Mayor. First and foremost, I

2:20:18want to thank all the veterans that came

2:20:20out today and I hope you guys have a

2:20:21very happy Veterans Day. Coral Lakes

2:20:24residents, thank you so much um for

2:20:27coming and speaking up. I will keep you

2:20:28guys posted on everything that I find

2:20:30out. I am very aware of the mulching

2:20:32operation. Uh back in actually over a

2:20:36year ago, the city manager and I went to

2:20:38a Mr. Rosman's house where it backs up

2:20:40and we could see the mulch coming into

2:20:43that whole area, that whole Coral Lakes

2:20:45area with the dust. So, I know that this

2:20:47is a problem and I would be happy to

2:20:49meet with your community and go further

2:20:51into discussion about this. And thank

2:20:53you guys so much for taking time out of

2:20:54your night to come here and speak about

2:20:56the possible waste transfer station that

2:20:59could go in Academic Village at the

2:21:01current waste pro site. Mr. Tom Shadrach

2:21:04asked about consent agenda items number

2:21:07A and D. And it is my understanding and

2:21:10Mr. city manager, please correct me if

2:21:11I'm wrong, that a is it is a consultant,

2:21:15but this will come back before council

2:21:18to talk about how to improve operations.

2:21:24>> Yeah. And I if you want to have I'll

2:21:27have public works discuss it.

2:21:29>> No worries. And then also um he talked

2:21:31about item number D and then Costco, but

2:21:34item number D, he misspoke. It's

2:21:36actually for Jud Creek Water which is

2:21:39currently being serviced by the

2:21:40Northport Meyers water. Is that correct?

2:21:43>> We have a inter interconnect with out

2:21:46outside agency.

2:21:47>> So this consent agenda item will be

2:21:49connecting them to the Cape Coral

2:21:51utilities.

2:21:52>> It's a water extension from our line

2:21:54down Pine Allen Road.

2:21:55>> Perfect. Thank you. And then also the

2:21:58community fridge. It was an ask that we

2:22:00could ex expedite the permit. Is that

2:22:03possible? I'm not up to speed on this

2:22:04one.

2:22:07We are expediting it when it comes in.

2:22:09>> Perfect.

2:22:09>> The issue is and you know Tom mentioned

2:22:12it is that when they submitted the

2:22:15permit documentation. Now you have to

2:22:16think this is a a structure in a flood

2:22:19zone.

2:22:21We have FEMA looking at the permit. So

2:22:23we cannot turn a blind eye to the permit

2:22:25document requirements. They did not

2:22:28submit Florida product approvals for

2:22:31what they are intending to use. And we

2:22:33we are not allowed to just allow a

2:22:36product that can't withstand our floods

2:22:38and our wind zones without that

2:22:40approval. It takes an architect or an

2:22:43engineer to put those those documents in

2:22:47the plan set. So we're we've identified

2:22:51for them the issue that is outstanding.

2:22:54they are my understanding is getting

2:22:56free services and the people that are

2:22:59providing services for free don't

2:23:02necessarily prioritize free work like

2:23:05they do paid work. So there it's not

2:23:07something that we can solve for them.

2:23:10>> Thank you for that explanation

2:23:12Judy and the friends of wild wildlife

2:23:14ple thank you so much for coming and I

2:23:16am completely on board with finding

2:23:18humane ways to protect our wildlife. So,

2:23:19I just want to make sure thank you guys

2:23:21for always coming and speaking, for

2:23:23everything that you do for our

2:23:24community. Uh, I don't remember who

2:23:27spoke. It might have been Mr. Holy about

2:23:29the yacht club and the fire lines. It's

2:23:31my understanding that there were no

2:23:33water fire lines previously.

2:23:35>> Yeah, I said that the other night. I I

2:23:37don't think maybe some people heard

2:23:39that. So, the reason there was no fire

2:23:41sprinkler system is because there were

2:23:43none. And so at the end of the day,

2:23:47we've designed that to service the

2:23:49entire yach club.

2:23:50>> Okay?

2:23:51>> And so they're at the end of the line.

2:23:53So in order to get to them, you have to

2:23:55put everything in in front of them.

2:23:58>> If we were to just size it for their

2:24:00needs, then we wouldn't end up after we

2:24:03rebuilt the road, we'd be tearing it all

2:24:05up and it'd be a waste.

2:24:07>> But also in addition, the beach

2:24:10expansion and the beach amenities are

2:24:12part of this. One of the biggest things

2:24:14we've heard is getting the beach, not

2:24:16the restrooms,

2:24:17>> but the beach.

2:24:17>> So, I'm just asking because water I

2:24:19don't know.

2:24:19>> Yeah. Not not the beach restroom. That

2:24:21was not part of the plan.

2:24:22>> Okay. So there there's more than just

2:24:26the underground

2:24:28because the beach has been the number

2:24:30one item. That portion of the project

2:24:33which has nothing to do with the P3 or

2:24:36any vertical improvements that if we

2:24:38don't come to a successful agreement

2:24:39with the P3 that we would end up doing

2:24:42either at what's been designed or

2:24:44something smaller th those items are

2:24:47still moving forward.

2:24:48>> Okay. Thank you. And Mr. city attorney.

2:24:51Uh will you please address item? We were

2:24:54hearing about Florida State statute

2:24:55286.0114

2:24:58and

2:25:00I believe when we had citizens input at

2:25:02the end of the meeting there was still

2:25:05sufficient time. So I don't know how

2:25:06this would be any different and if you

2:25:08could please opine on that.

2:25:09>> It's not different. There was no

2:25:11violation of Florida statutory law. So,

2:25:14the the assertion was not legally

2:25:16correct and I've already legally appined

2:25:18on that in writing.

2:25:20>> Thank you. Thank you, Mayor.

2:25:22>> Uh, Council Member Leman.

2:25:23>> Yeah. Um, is Mr. Aden Alfie still here?

2:25:29>> I think he left.

2:25:30>> All right. I guess he left. Well,

2:25:31hopefully he'll watch this on TV

2:25:34um

2:25:36with the um yacht club and anyone who's

2:25:40interested in this to do

2:25:44we are required to do this. We're doing

2:25:47we're committed to doing the site plan

2:25:50through the whole area. So that this way

2:25:53then whether we have a P3 or we end up

2:25:57doing

2:25:59additional things the community center

2:26:02whatever um it's already done to do it

2:26:07just for the boat house and then turn

2:26:10around and you know obviously for the

2:26:13boat house to open road's going to have

2:26:16to be paved but then to do any

2:26:18additional site work we'd have to tear

2:26:21up the road Again, that's an additional

2:26:23cost. That wouldn't make a whole lot of

2:26:26sense.

2:26:28So, we're doing it all at once. Now, I

2:26:31realize $35 million is no picnic, but to

2:26:35do it all at once and get it one and

2:26:38done makes a lot more sense than tearing

2:26:41it up multiple times.

2:26:43Um, also on uh

2:26:49wait a second. Uh, I'm sorry. Um, on the

2:26:53Coral Lakes issue, um, and I answered

2:26:56quite a few emails today,

2:26:59there is no transfer station being

2:27:02planned at this time that property. And

2:27:06Mr. Mason, would you please help me out

2:27:08with this?

2:27:19Um

2:27:22that property

2:27:25that everyone keeps referring to is

2:27:28owned is privately owned by Waste Pro.

2:27:31Correct.

2:27:32>> Correct.

2:27:33>> Okay. But now the mulch and you and I

2:27:37had talked about this earlier today

2:27:40because I questioned it. Uh the mulch

2:27:43pile and whatnot is construction debris.

2:27:47now doesn't mean that it's right and why

2:27:49aren't we going after waste pro to hey

2:27:53get this taken care of

2:27:56>> is there a reason

2:27:58>> it is it is a cd transfer site it's not

2:28:02a solid waste transfer site the

2:28:05distinction

2:28:05>> I understand that but

2:28:07>> I'm not sure everybody else does if I

2:28:10could finish

2:28:11>> please explain CN D transfer site

2:28:14>> yes it's a it's construction debris

2:28:17uh that can that be could be concrete,

2:28:20it could be tiles, it could be any of

2:28:21that sort of thing. It's also allows for

2:28:24uh the uh

2:28:27grass uh trees, you know, the trimmings,

2:28:31that sort of thing can also be uh u

2:28:35taken care of at a at a CND transfer

2:28:38site.

2:28:39>> Okay.

2:28:39>> So again, we just want to make the

2:28:41distinction between a solid waste

2:28:43transfer site and a CND transfer site.

2:28:46solid waste transfer site would allow

2:28:48garbage. There is no garbage allowed at

2:28:50this particular site.

2:28:52>> That would be household garbage.

2:28:53>> I have another question uh related to

2:28:56this. Um

2:28:59people have many people have talked

2:29:01about this 30 foot high pile of mulch

2:29:06and grass and whatever else.

2:29:09Doesn't WastePro have to alleviate that

2:29:12or they can just keep building it up or

2:29:14building it up and building it up?

2:29:16>> It it they No, I don't I I do not

2:29:19believe that they have to alleviate it.

2:29:21They will they will distribute out the

2:29:23mulch and take it to a a disposal site

2:29:27uh at their at their discretion.

2:29:30>> Is there any way we can encourage that

2:29:32to happen in a shorter time period?

2:29:35>> I think we can have code enforcement go

2:29:37out there and have a conversation. Okay,

2:29:40thank you.

2:29:40>> Thank you.

2:29:42>> Um,

2:29:44what else? Oh, uh, with the Costco, I

2:29:49just want to address people who have

2:29:52talked about the Costco and how they're

2:29:54not really thrilled. Costco could have

2:29:56gone to Pontagorta, Fort Meyers

2:30:01by doing the incentive.

2:30:04We are encouraging them to come here

2:30:08because the whole concept that we are

2:30:11trying to achieve, the council and

2:30:14everyone in the city are trying to

2:30:16achieve is to live here, work here, play

2:30:21here, stay here.

2:30:24So if people are able to have jobs at

2:30:27Costco, they're able to shop here at

2:30:30Costco instead of having to go over the

2:30:33bridge. Is that such a bad thing? Now, I

2:30:36realize nobody's thrilled about the

2:30:39incentive because the company is worth a

2:30:42hell of a lot of money. No question

2:30:44about that.

2:30:46But again, if we don't do the

2:30:50incentives, we are not encouraging

2:30:53companies to come here and

2:30:57build their their large stores or their

2:31:01manufacturing plants, whatever. And the

2:31:04more

2:31:05we the more commercial we get

2:31:11it lower they they are paying the

2:31:13majority of the taxes which then

2:31:15ultimately lowers the tax base for the

2:31:19residents which is what we all want to

2:31:22see.

2:31:23I mean all of us up here we're all

2:31:26taxpayers too. It's not just the

2:31:29residents, you know, all of you in the

2:31:32gallery that are taxpayers. We're

2:31:34[clears throat] taxpayers, too. We're

2:31:36not thrilled about seeing higher taxes.

2:31:39>> What are you doing?

2:31:44>> Uh, excuse me, Miss Alvarez.

2:31:47>> I'm a little tired of you and your

2:31:49coming after me. You've called me all

2:31:51kinds of names, and I suggest I want to

2:31:54make one note. Uh, you called me a liar

2:31:58when it came to the rowing club. I

2:32:00suggest you go to the president of the

2:32:02rowing club because she had the

2:32:04alternative plan before even the rest of

2:32:08anyone else in this city had it.

2:32:10>> Bringing this up.

2:32:11>> Why? Because I'm a little tired of you

2:32:14and your comments to me

2:32:16>> all the time. No, I'm not.

2:32:18>> Ma'am, keep your to yourself.

2:32:21>> And I proved my point last time,

2:32:23>> ma'am. No, you didn't. ma'am.

2:32:26Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2:32:32>> All right. Uh, Council Member Lazra.

2:32:34>> Thank you, Mayor. I'm just going to

2:32:36address a few things that I think were

2:32:37not touched upon yet. Um, Mr. City

2:32:40Manager, could you explain again? I

2:32:42know, um, Mr. Walker uh, came up and

2:32:45talked about the concerns regarding

2:32:47traffic, and I was wondering if you

2:32:49could elaborate again on what

2:32:50improvements uh, Costco Co. will be

2:32:53investing in in terms of the traffic

2:32:55light. Anything additional to clarify

2:32:57his question?

2:33:00>> Yeah. So, we um there will be a traffic

2:33:03light an additional traffic light on

2:33:05Cape Coral Parkway or Cape Coral Chaita

2:33:07Parkway

2:33:09and sorry, getting back into it. Um and

2:33:12then we are also working with them to

2:33:15expand the the roadway itself including

2:33:18sidewalk curbs, gutters, turn lanes. Um,

2:33:22and then anything that is basically from

2:33:27the front of their property all the way

2:33:28to the back of their property. So, we we

2:33:30have a series of offsite improvements

2:33:32that we've already worked through with

2:33:34them uh that we're anticipating and that

2:33:37they're going to help us actually

2:33:38construct while they're doing their

2:33:40project.

2:33:40>> Okay, great. Thank you for that. Um, and

2:33:43then, um, to Mr. Owen's point regarding

2:33:46Doge and I was going to ask the same Oh,

2:33:48wait, let me go back to Costco. Sorry.

2:33:50Mr. Mr. Shadrach talked about the

2:33:52explanation of the process because we've

2:33:54been working with them for years and a

2:33:56lot of um folks who aren't involved in

2:33:59economic development or haven't you know

2:34:02uh um understood like how developers

2:34:05come to cities like ours or any city

2:34:07really. if you could maybe explain for

2:34:09the public the process like in the

2:34:11cliffnotes of you know Costco and

2:34:14getting them here and what this

2:34:16synthetic tiff is because I think a lot

2:34:18of people think we're going to take that

2:34:2010 million from you know their tax

2:34:22dollars and that's not the case. So

2:34:24could you explain that?

2:34:26>> Sure. A synthetic tiff is other it's our

2:34:30incentive our enhanced value recapture

2:34:33grant and so essentially it's a it works

2:34:36similar to a tiff in a CRA however

2:34:39there's we don't have any county

2:34:42participation

2:34:43so it's it would just be our property

2:34:47taxes after they construct after they

2:34:50get a co and it's on the tax bill so if

2:34:53you think about it today right now the

2:34:55site is generating

2:34:57little to no advalorum taxes,

2:35:00>> right?

2:35:00>> And it's generating no public uh service

2:35:03tax, no sales tax, no gas tax, no

2:35:06building value. There's none of that.

2:35:09And so a synthetic tiff is is our way

2:35:12locally of deferring the receipt of the

2:35:16taxes we would get in order to

2:35:19incentivize the private sector to do

2:35:22something they otherwise would not. And

2:35:23that's the basis of an incentive, right?

2:35:25you're you're you're you're either

2:35:27buying time because they you want them

2:35:31here faster than they otherwise would

2:35:33come or you're queue jumping. So if they

2:35:38had 20 projects in the queue in the

2:35:41state of Florida and they've all met the

2:35:43same criteria for a return on investment

2:35:47based on their site selection, their

2:35:49demographics,

2:35:51you're trying to get your project

2:35:54prioritized in that company's

2:35:56development. And then the last thing

2:35:58that you we utilize incentives for is to

2:36:02take on unforeseen

2:36:05cost of entry, barriers to entry that

2:36:08put our site at a disadvantage to

2:36:10others. And in this situation, not all,

2:36:14not all HCA's was to to Q jump. We

2:36:17wanted them here faster because we need

2:36:19a second hospital. It was the number one

2:36:21thing in the strategic plan.

2:36:24In other incentives, we do them for

2:36:26different reasons. In this one,

2:36:29the the site that fit all of their

2:36:32criteria

2:36:34had higher than normal barriers to entry

2:36:37because of the compaction issues on the

2:36:40site.

2:36:41And so if we don't step in to help

2:36:44bridge that gap, they walk away. And if

2:36:48one of the the if Costco who is well

2:36:53capitalized

2:36:55can't make the financials of this site

2:36:58work then I suggest or I ask then who

2:37:01would be able to?

2:37:04Nobody regionally and certainly not no

2:37:06anybody locally has the ability to to

2:37:10put that to make that part of their

2:37:12development and then work with us on a

2:37:14repayment over time. And so in this

2:37:17specific instance, we were utilizing our

2:37:21incentives to lower the barrier of entry

2:37:24to help bring what is the number one

2:37:28request from a retail wholesale at every

2:37:31speaking engagement I go to at every

2:37:33single economic development function we

2:37:35have. [clears throat] Our citizens want

2:37:37this

2:37:39over and over. It's the number one

2:37:41request. I I understand and I've heard

2:37:44this request since I moved here in 2008

2:37:47um and as a new resident in the city. So

2:37:49the so the then the question becomes if

2:37:52we don't fill that gap, if we couldn't

2:37:54work with them, they didn't they didn't

2:37:55ask for cash upfront, right? Sometimes

2:37:58developers, they oh well, we want c we

2:37:59want your cash.

2:38:01>> And here they just wanted the financials

2:38:04on paper to be on par with other ones

2:38:07around the state because otherwise

2:38:10without it we're not coming to the top,

2:38:13>> right? and our $10 million um synthetic

2:38:16tiff

2:38:18>> is is there we would never get it if

2:38:21they don't happen. Right. So we're we

2:38:23defer the collection of those in order

2:38:25to get the benefit of everything else,

2:38:27>> right? Similar to uh the faucet hospital

2:38:30that we voted on last week. um similar

2:38:33to Biminy East um you know we're we're

2:38:36investing but then that return on

2:38:38investment is much greater in the

2:38:40creation of jobs and then paying

2:38:42commercial taxes which we all complain

2:38:44our st city is still at 8% you know

2:38:48forever um and this will help us

2:38:50definitely increase that correct

2:38:52>> commercial tax base

2:38:53>> and yeah and I have I have it down here

2:38:56somewhere

2:38:58I can find it real

2:39:03So, so for example, and I don't have one

2:39:06for Costco, right? But for for biminy,

2:39:09which is a tiff, that one through the

2:39:13tiff period 2026 through 2042,

2:39:17the city general fund was going to

2:39:20forego $283,000

2:39:23in incremental value growth. But in

2:39:27return for that in all the other taxes

2:39:30that we generate, public service tax,

2:39:32franchise fees, half cent sales tax,

2:39:35communication service tax, BTRs,

2:39:38personal property tax, all of those over

2:39:41that same time period are going to

2:39:44generate $22.6 million to the general

2:39:47fund.

2:39:47>> Right? So it it's if you don't

2:39:51understand how all of the economic

2:39:54development works, then it's e it's

2:39:56really easy to look at that and say why

2:39:59does this make sense at all? But when

2:40:01you when you have the total package and

2:40:03the understanding, you begin to

2:40:05understand it,

2:40:06>> right? And I also think it's our job to

2:40:08make sure that we do break it out so

2:40:10that it's easy for the residents to

2:40:12understand so that they're not um

2:40:15concerned or fearing that their taxpayer

2:40:18dollars are going into this project.

2:40:20Just like Biminy East, I have to um

2:40:23constantly communicate to residents that

2:40:25um if you're not in the CRA, you don't

2:40:27have a business in the CRA, you don't

2:40:29own a home in the CRA, you're not paying

2:40:32um you know CRA into the CRA. And the

2:40:35other piece I have to always explain is

2:40:37that the CRA's purpose, as Council

2:40:39Member Stani, I believe, mentioned in

2:40:41our previous uh meeting, you know, the

2:40:43purpose is to remove the blight. And I

2:40:45would say in the last few years, we've

2:40:48definitely done that. Um definitely

2:40:50since I served before. Um so I'm I'm

2:40:53happy for that. Um lastly, Mr. Owen

2:40:56mentioned the Doge report, and I wanted

2:40:58to bring that up actually during

2:41:00reports, but I'll do it now. So we did

2:41:02have some Doge recommendations. Would we

2:41:04be able to get a schedule in terms of

2:41:08when we will a schedule and a timeline

2:41:11in terms of when we will be addressing

2:41:13those?

2:41:26Sure. So, I don't know if you recall

2:41:30when I mentioned that we received the

2:41:32Doge letter, I said that we would have

2:41:34our analysis completed by the end of the

2:41:36month. All of that is done. I've

2:41:38reviewed it and it is intended on being

2:41:40released this week.

2:41:41>> Okay, perfect. I just

2:41:42>> So, what what people don't know because

2:41:46they just read the letter is shortly

2:41:48after getting the letter, I set up a

2:41:51meeting with Doge and we spoke to them

2:41:53about their recommendations.

2:41:55I'm not publicly going to disparage them

2:41:58because I think they did a good job and

2:41:59they looked at stuff in our discussions

2:42:02with them. There are some things that

2:42:05are not really relevant to us because

2:42:08they didn't understand how we do

2:42:10business,

2:42:10>> right?

2:42:11>> And so when we explained those

2:42:14situations to them, we learned that

2:42:16those were things they saw in other

2:42:18communities. So they were worth

2:42:19mentioning here. But

2:42:23in in light of them bringing it forward

2:42:26in our letter, it's going to give us an

2:42:29opportunity to educate our community on

2:42:33how we already do the things that are

2:42:35recommended and how we've already saved

2:42:38the funds that they're trying to. You

2:42:40can't save twice on something you've

2:42:42already done. You've already done it.

2:42:43You've already implemented. You already

2:42:45have the savings.

2:42:46>> Sure.

2:42:47I just appreciate that we're being as

2:42:49transparent as possible, especially with

2:42:51that uh Doge report because that's

2:42:53something that, you know, I know I

2:42:55requested way back two years ago. So,

2:42:58I'm really grateful for that. And then

2:43:00once you have the analysis completed, we

2:43:02will put it on the website. Correct. On

2:43:04our on our Doge tab. Is it up, Marine?

2:43:08Is that what you're looking for?

2:43:10>> Okay. But yes, it'll it'll So, we've

2:43:13taken their letter, we've broken down

2:43:15every single one of their items

2:43:18>> and then we are providing a full

2:43:20narrative about how we've either already

2:43:23accomplished that are already an we're

2:43:25already analyzing it or there were a

2:43:27couple that that we hadn't and so we've

2:43:30since then have looked at those to to

2:43:33identify if what they said can be

2:43:35accomplished and we're putting all that

2:43:38information out there.

2:43:39>> Okay, perfect. And then one lastly, a

2:43:41question that I just wrote down when you

2:43:43stated um in terms of Costco, is this

2:43:47incentive, this u $10 million um tiff,

2:43:52is this going to get us closer to the

2:43:53front of the line in terms of them

2:43:55breaking ground sooner than maybe

2:43:57another community?

2:44:00>> Costco's

2:44:02right now all they need is a water

2:44:04management district permit. Remember

2:44:05that was that site was a previous burrow

2:44:07pit.

2:44:08>> Yes, I remember. So, if we can get that

2:44:10permit with them, we've set we also

2:44:13provide services with incentives, right?

2:44:15So, we've we've set up a meeting. We're

2:44:17working through the review of their

2:44:19plans. Our goal would be to try and if

2:44:23if everything works out and we can get

2:44:25them a permit here from the district in

2:44:27relatively short time by the end of the

2:44:29year or for you know, they are trying to

2:44:32be open by November of next year. If

2:44:34not, it could be March of the following

2:44:37because they have a blackout window. But

2:44:39it all just like everything we do and I

2:44:42know I say this all the time when it

2:44:45comes to outside regulatory agencies, we

2:44:48do not have the jurisdiction and we

2:44:50cannot force them to work at our pace.

2:44:53>> Right. No different than Army Corps.

2:44:55Right.

2:44:56>> Yes. which I'll use this opportunity to

2:44:59tell you that as recent as today, we

2:45:02received another email from the core

2:45:05that our permit for the pier has been

2:45:09reassigned again to a new project

2:45:11manager.

2:45:12>> Yeah,

2:45:13>> we can't I have no control over that.

2:45:15So, all we're going to do is the same

2:45:16thing we did the last time, right?

2:45:18>> We're going to contact our lobbyists.

2:45:20We're going to contact our state

2:45:21senators. We're going to contact our

2:45:22congressmen.

2:45:24>> I have no control over it. I understand.

2:45:26>> All we can do is point out that another

2:45:28agency is holding up our recovery and

2:45:31hope that enough pressure is put on them

2:45:33to move it forward.

2:45:34>> But it could happen 10 more times.

2:45:37>> Okay, understood. Okay. And then let's

2:45:40see, there's one. Oh, and those of you

2:45:41that spoke about the historical

2:45:44um park uh making for Freedoms Park

2:45:47historical site, I'm sure we will have

2:45:49discussion on that shortly. So, thank

2:45:51you. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, Council

2:45:54Member Donnell.

2:45:55>> Yes. Thank you. I um to the young the

2:45:58people who spoke about the Florida uh

2:46:01Friends of Wildlife and the issue that

2:46:02we're dealing, thank you for bringing

2:46:04that forward. Do know that the

2:46:05environmental sensitivity is something

2:46:07that is a priority here for the city. So

2:46:09staff that worked on that, working with

2:46:11the community, great.

2:46:13My last point is this doge thing. One of

2:46:16the things that I've been talking about,

2:46:18I'm glad council member Lra hit on it.

2:46:20But you have it. And those of us who are

2:46:22over 60 now, we're gonna have to get

2:46:23with the program. You either have a

2:46:25smartwatch, you have a laptop or

2:46:27something to go to our website. And if

2:46:29you're able, I would love for you just

2:46:31right now while I'm talking to hit Doge.

2:46:34It's interesting how things things

2:46:37change. When I first the two the five of

2:46:40us that just got here two years ago was

2:46:43like we're going to get Doge in here and

2:46:44I we hear all the time you guys are

2:46:46spending money left spending like you

2:46:48heard it tonight. fine and I respect

2:46:51everybody's opinion and this Doge audit

2:46:54was big on a I mean it was number one

2:46:55Doge is coming in here and if you have

2:46:58put that in right now and you follow the

2:46:59timeline and see what was done and read

2:47:02it for yourself you will see that since

2:47:05the time back last year in April when

2:47:08they first let it go they mentioned it

2:47:10the city immediately under city manager

2:47:12lead leadership they immediately gave

2:47:15them all the information plus provided a

2:47:17back door

2:47:19So that those did not have to come and

2:47:21ask us. I think somebody said something

2:47:23about how they were manipulating the

2:47:25numbers.

2:47:26So in in order then they didn't even

2:47:29have to come and say could you give this

2:47:31to us. They could just go right into the

2:47:34system read only and see the information

2:47:37provided. Now if you look at the letter

2:47:38which I words matter to me and I heard

2:47:41someone up there use a number $6 million

2:47:44that's a lot of money.

2:47:46Then I ask you when I look at the the

2:47:48way I understand it, our general fund is

2:47:51somewhere around $289 million. The

2:47:54personnel of that is about roughly a

2:47:56hundred as you were million dollars.

2:48:00So 6 million out of 100 million. I asked

2:48:03you what percentage is and somebody

2:48:05mentioned 1.5 billion. My question is

2:48:07what is the percentage of that?

2:48:10And the last statement, if you're

2:48:11looking at, and I'm just reading it, it

2:48:14says that Cape Coral should review the

2:48:16following opportunities for potential

2:48:19improvement. The issue when you talked

2:48:22about the 6 million, they say it may, it

2:48:25might. There were no definitive findings

2:48:28in this report that everybody wanted to

2:48:31have done, including myself. So the data

2:48:34clearly showed that there is none of

2:48:35this frivolous crazy spending because

2:48:38Doge is all about financial emergency.

2:48:40Now you're factchecking me right there.

2:48:42It's just right there for you to read

2:48:43for yourself. Now outside somebody got

2:48:46with Doge. Somebody even said something

2:48:47that somehow somebody up here got with

2:48:49Doge and manipulated the process. That

2:48:52one just blows me out of the water. So

2:48:54on that end, what the staff continues to

2:48:58do under the leadership of our city

2:48:59manager continues to push forward in a

2:49:02growth mentality doing it as responsible

2:49:05as pos as possible and it's documented.

2:49:08How you interpret it, I can't go there.

2:49:11I'm just saying what is what you can

2:49:13read for yourself. Last thing though,

2:49:16one thing that we are cited for, not

2:49:19only do they look for emergencies, but

2:49:21they're looking for distress. So, new

2:49:24council that's coming on

2:49:26regardless of amendment three.

2:49:30I've been part of it. I'm part of

2:49:31council.

2:49:33We have done us no favors because as we

2:49:36speak right now, we are rapidly in

2:49:38distress on our budget and we are being

2:49:41underfunded. So, at some point, it's

2:49:44going to be we're going to have to deal

2:49:46with the fact that we're going into your

2:49:48first budget cycle at a minimum of $37

2:49:51million.

2:49:52give or take underfunded.

2:49:55So all of this chatter noise and it'll

2:49:59be all gone tomorrow and then it starts

2:50:02up again. So I in conclusion, please

2:50:05look at all the documents,

2:50:08not just one. Please read it for

2:50:10yourself and come to your own

2:50:12conclusion. But I do want to commend you

2:50:14and I do think you always give yourself

2:50:16a pat on the back for your staff and

2:50:18under the guidance of this council. I am

2:50:20really really excited about that. I'm

2:50:22pleased with it. That's all.

2:50:25>> Council member Stanky.

2:50:27>> Thank you, Mayor. Um, one of our uh

2:50:32speakers uh spoke of working with the uh

2:50:36resident that has problems with the

2:50:38driveway and the road. And we had an

2:50:40issue with the contractor uh that was

2:50:42there. Um, early on in that process, I I

2:50:47personally helped get Lee BIA involved

2:50:51uh with potential assistance with that

2:50:54with the new contractor that's there.

2:50:56Could you just give us a quick update of

2:50:58where they stand with that project and

2:51:02um if Leebia has remained intact as far

2:51:06as being coordinated in that effort?

2:51:08>> Yes, we're we're still in coordination

2:51:10with LeeBI. they they can't do their

2:51:13work until we finish ours. So we we

2:51:18when you talk about I know one person

2:51:19said hold them accountable to make to

2:51:21make it happen. The two people that

2:51:24originally bid on it once they got the

2:51:26contract documents never they backed

2:51:29away. So they said we're not going to

2:51:31take the work. The new person we have is

2:51:34currently right now doing a job for FDOT

2:51:38that is taking longer than anticipated.

2:51:42This job once they start the work could

2:51:44also take longer than they anticipate.

2:51:48It just depends on what's happening

2:51:50underground. So, as soon as they finish

2:51:52where they're at and then can demobilize

2:51:54from that job and mobilize to our job,

2:51:57we're we're working with Leebia and

2:52:00we're hopefully very shortly thereafter

2:52:02fixing the the road on top and reopening

2:52:05the road.

2:52:07>> Okay. Thank you. Um, Friends of

2:52:11Wildlife, you still here?

2:52:12>> I don't think they left. Well, uh, for

2:52:15the record, I just, uh, wanted to, uh,

2:52:17uh, state that it's been a pleasure for

2:52:19the last four years, uh, supporting, uh,

2:52:21Friends of Wildlife, the efforts that

2:52:23they, um, provided in acquiring funding

2:52:26for, um, uh, property purchases, uh, to

2:52:30take care of our our gopher tortoises

2:52:32and our and our burrowing owls, uh, is

2:52:35commendable. and the um uh dealing with

2:52:38the rodent population and doing it in a

2:52:40in a way that doesn't affect um uh the

2:52:43other critters uh that that we're here

2:52:45to protect. Uh that is great as well.

2:52:47And with the new opening of Yellow Fever

2:52:50Creek, for those of you that weren't

2:52:51able to get there, just another uh great

2:52:54way to enjoy nature and friends of

2:52:56wildlife are involved uh in that effort

2:52:59as well. Um uh we we missed the

2:53:02opportunity to thank uh the Lee County

2:53:05uh Tourist Development Council uh for

2:53:07helping support uh Yellow Fever Creek

2:53:10and the boardwalk uh that is there to

2:53:12help uh enjoy nature. So, thank you to

2:53:14uh uh uh Lee County TDC for uh for their

2:53:18support uh for our natural habitats. Uh

2:53:22and last as it as it relates to um uh

2:53:25you know commercial tax increase. It's

2:53:27been mentioned it's mentioned all the

2:53:28time the whole 928 and we need more

2:53:30commercial. We need more commercial. Um

2:53:33there's a lot of places around the state

2:53:35that need commercial and um these these

2:53:38commercial entities they look for

2:53:41reasons to go somewhere and sometimes

2:53:43they need help in getting there. And

2:53:45that's what these that's what tiffs or

2:53:47um artificial tiffs it's it's it's an

2:53:51effort to make the numbers work. They're

2:53:53in business too. And so just because

2:53:55they have a a lot of money, a lot of

2:53:58that's because they make sound um

2:54:00financial decisions that are good for

2:54:03their business um and and it gives them

2:54:05reason to remain in business over time.

2:54:08And so when you look at uh where we've

2:54:10come uh as a city over the last four

2:54:13years at increasing that commercial tax

2:54:15base um it's relatively commendable and

2:54:19especially uh in the CRA um in instead

2:54:23of just replacing uh the the the blight

2:54:27uh with more residents. We took the

2:54:30opportunity to encourage commercial to

2:54:33come in and commercial in Biminy East

2:54:35would have never come there had it just

2:54:37been all of those individual um small

2:54:41properties that were there. And so to

2:54:43assemble those properties and make it

2:54:45attractive um is what allows that

2:54:48commercial base to grow uh and and we

2:54:52and then we have to make it work

2:54:53financially for them as well. So, you

2:54:56know, with the Cove and the additional

2:54:58uh parking that we gained downtown uh

2:55:00with that with Biminy Square and getting

2:55:03more um Lee Health uh there and

2:55:05additional uh residences for people to

2:55:08live in and not affect the ability for

2:55:11commercial to come in by using uh mixed

2:55:13use. Uh and now and now Biminy East uh

2:55:17it we've gained a lot of ground on that.

2:55:20And so, um, the understanding of tax,

2:55:24um, you know, incentive financing, that

2:55:26that money, we're we're just giving them

2:55:29money that would have never been there

2:55:32had they not done the project, um, that

2:55:34we are attracting them to do. So um so

2:55:38you know certainly as transparent as we

2:55:40can be around how those dollars are

2:55:44being uh generated, how the calculations

2:55:46work, how they're being used in

2:55:48incentive and given back to the program.

2:55:51Um we're basically giving them back

2:55:53their money so that we're not using

2:55:55ours. Uh, and so, uh, I I think the

2:55:59economic development department has done

2:56:01a great job at catching the ear of those

2:56:04people, uh, that would that are looking

2:56:06to do business somewhere in Florida,

2:56:09somewhere in Lee County, and and getting

2:56:11them to choose Cape Coral as a place for

2:56:13them to do business. So, um, hats off

2:56:16for that. Thank you, Mayor.

2:56:19Yeah, real quickly for me, I just wanted

2:56:21to to touch base on Costco since we've

2:56:23already uh voted on that particular

2:56:26item. I [clears throat] can tell you as

2:56:28long as I've been here, one of the

2:56:30things that I've uh always tried to do,

2:56:33and you know, probably every candidate

2:56:35over the last 20 years here in Cape

2:56:37Coral said this, that we have to try to

2:56:41take the tax burden off of the shoulders

2:56:43of the residents and promote more

2:56:45commercial tax base here in Cape Coral.

2:56:49So that's one of the things that I have

2:56:51always tried to do when we have looked

2:56:53at any of the incentives. And to give

2:56:56you just an example, not only that, but

2:56:58I also, you know, we've always heard

2:57:00from the residents, we want to bring

2:57:02jobs here. So when you look at just some

2:57:05of the the incentives that we've given

2:57:07just recently,

2:57:09you know, we we've done Costco. Now

2:57:12Costco is probably going to bring about

2:57:14300 jobs to Cape Coral.

2:57:17When you look at the hospital, and I

2:57:19know this one uh a little more because I

2:57:21was involved in the discussions, the

2:57:23hospital is going to bring 300 jobs with

2:57:26an average salary of $80,000

2:57:29to Cape Coral.

2:57:33You look at Bones Coffee, we did an

2:57:35incentive package for them.

2:57:38130 jobs for a manu coffee manufacturing

2:57:41company.

2:57:43And you take a look at floor and decor

2:57:46about 50 jobs. They just opened.

2:57:49You look at slipaways. I had asked them

2:57:52that between 75 and 100 jobs.

2:57:56You know, these are some of the

2:57:57incentives that we have issued over the

2:58:01last 18 months. Not only are we going to

2:58:04bring in commercial tax dollars to help

2:58:06take the tax burden off the residents,

2:58:09but just start adding up all those jobs.

2:58:11You know, there's 800 jobs. I just

2:58:13mentioned that we didn't have before. So

2:58:15for me, and I'm only speaking for me,

2:58:18one of the things I look at when

2:58:20incentives is how many jobs are you

2:58:22going to bring here? How many times have

2:58:24we heard the residents won't don't want

2:58:26to drive across the bridge? So that's

2:58:28one of the things I look at. And I think

2:58:30a lot of times a lot of people, you

2:58:32know, just take Costco. I don't I got

2:58:35and I'm sure my colleagues have too. We

2:58:38we got numerous emails. I can't believe

2:58:41you're spending $10 million. You're

2:58:43spending $10 million of my taxpayer

2:58:46money. Well, that's not true. The

2:58:49incentive package for Costco, 8 million

2:58:51was an enhanced value recapture grant

2:58:53that you heard the city manager. That's

2:58:55their money that they're paying property

2:58:58taxes. Once they improve the property

2:59:00and build the structure, they're going

2:59:02to pay taxes. We're going to give a

2:59:04percentage of it back to them. That's

2:59:06their money. That's not our money. Now,

2:59:08what we are doing is a $200,000

2:59:12incentive program uh for utility impact

2:59:15fees and another 1.8 million for other

2:59:18impact fees. We are doing that. That is

2:59:20money that we're spending, but we're

2:59:23going to improve a parcel. We're going

2:59:24to get tax dollars because of property

2:59:27taxes and we're going to be three bring

2:59:29300 jobs to the city of Cape Coral. To

2:59:32me, that's worth it. So that's how I

2:59:37come up with my decision. When we look

2:59:39at these type of projects, I more so

2:59:42look at what type of property taxes are

2:59:44they going to bring in long-term

2:59:47and what will we get as far as jobs in

2:59:50our community. So that's just one of the

2:59:53things that I look at that I just wanted

2:59:55to mention uh in my decision-making

2:59:57process and hopefully the next new

2:59:59council will take that under

3:00:01consideration when they're making their

3:00:03choices as well. Uh we've been here uh

3:00:06about three hours now. I think before we

3:00:09get into the uh to the business part of

3:00:12the meeting, um we'll take about a

3:00:1510-minute restroom break and then we'll

3:00:18reconvene

3:14:28Item nine on the agenda is approval of

3:14:30the minutes. Do we have a motion

3:14:31regarding the minutes from the regular

3:14:32meeting of October 21st, 2026?

3:14:35>> Motion to approve.

3:14:36>> Second.

3:14:37>> Any council discussion?

3:14:40Seeing none, all in favor say I.

3:14:42>> I.

3:14:43>> Any opposed? Motion carries. Item 10 is

3:14:46consent agenda. I'll open up the consent

3:14:49agenda for council to pull any items. I

3:14:51just want to remind you we had uh uh 17

3:14:55items on the consent agenda. Item G, uh

3:14:59which was resolution 302-26.

3:15:02We did move that forward in the meeting.

3:15:04Um

3:15:06Council Member Kadoop.

3:15:07>> Thank you, Mayor. Item L, resolution

3:15:10311-26.

3:15:12Item M, resolution 312-26.

3:15:15Item N, resolution 313-26.

3:15:18Thank you.

3:15:21>> Item uh Council Member Lster.

3:15:24>> Thank you. I'd like to pull um item J,

3:15:26resolution 30825.

3:15:29Thank you, Mayor

3:15:32>> and Council Member Long.

3:15:35>> Yeah, I'm looking if someone can help

3:15:36me. I'm looking for the number, but it's

3:15:38the um the DOT agreement for the Pine

3:15:41Island corridor.

3:15:44>> F

3:15:45>> uh F

3:15:46>> F. Okay. And that's council member long.

3:15:49>> All right. Motion to approve consent

3:15:51agenda with the exception of FJ MN and

3:15:55>> second.

3:15:58>> Okay. Any discussion? Seeing none, madam

3:16:01city clerk, please call the role.

3:16:04Sorry, can I confirm that council member

3:16:07Kellraine also said the letter L?

3:16:10>> No, no, I'm sorry. Whatever the G is

3:16:13what we pulled forward. So, it's consent

3:16:15agenda FJM.

3:16:18>> I think we're all those that we

3:16:20discussed, right?

3:16:20>> Yeah, it was.

3:16:21>> Council member Long pulled F uh

3:16:24resolution 299-26.

3:16:27G we had already heard. Council member

3:16:29Ler pulled resolution J uh 308-26.

3:16:34Kaduk was L resolution 31126, M

3:16:38resolution 31226

3:16:41and N resolution 313-26.

3:16:45>> So modify my motion to include L.

3:16:48>> Thank you.

3:16:49>> And does a second agree?

3:16:51>> Yes.

3:16:52>> Okay. Madam city clerk, please call the

3:16:54role.

3:16:54>> Last I.

3:16:56>> Leman. Hi.

3:16:59Long

3:17:00>> I

3:17:01>> Stein Key

3:17:01>> I

3:17:02>> Donnell

3:17:03>> I

3:17:03>> Gunter

3:17:04>> I

3:17:04>> Gaduk

3:17:05>> I

3:17:05>> Kil Rain

3:17:06>> I

3:17:06>> eight eyes. Motion carried.

3:17:08>> Okay. The first one that was pulled was

3:17:10item F uh resolution 299-26.

3:17:14Council member Long. I'll give you the

3:17:15floor.

3:17:15>> Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, I'm just looking

3:17:16for kind of a generalized overview of

3:17:18how we got here. I um I understand this

3:17:20went through CATC. I'm I'm not a member

3:17:22of CEK, so I I don't need a detailed

3:17:24analysis, but my my understanding just

3:17:27from reading this is that we've

3:17:28minimized it um geographically to

3:17:32include east of Santa Barbara primarily

3:17:34for funding concerns. Is that decent

3:17:36summary?

3:17:42>> Good evening, Mayor, members of council.

3:17:43Matt Williams, public works. Uh that's

3:17:45correct. I mean the entire stretch the

3:17:47PD uh considered the entire stretch of

3:17:50of Pine Island Road within the city of

3:17:52Cape Coral um infeasible to to move

3:17:54forward with construction on that. So

3:17:56the decision at SeaTac was to reduce the

3:17:58scope of that PD&E to Santa Barbara to

3:18:01Delpra.

3:18:02>> Okay. And and you know obviously that

3:18:03was the decision from CAC so I don't

3:18:05want to go into that but do you gen do

3:18:07you remember roughly the the difference

3:18:09in the costs that would have to the

3:18:12nearest millionth? I mean, do you know

3:18:15the cost?

3:18:17>> Right now, we do not have the revised

3:18:19cost because we haven't completed um for

3:18:22the new segment um the overall corridor

3:18:26wide the initial cost estimate. I

3:18:28believe that was um 112 million.

3:18:32However, I can get back to you on that.

3:18:34>> My my only just general concern and this

3:18:35may have been discussed at CEK, but I

3:18:37just wanted to throw it out there is we

3:18:38we talk about the growth that we have.

3:18:40In fact, we just approved a Costco west

3:18:42of Santa Barbara. We've got the Grove

3:18:44going up west of Santa Barbara, Walmart,

3:18:46etc., etc. Um, the hood's already open,

3:18:49so to speak. I understand it's not

3:18:51that's kind of a reckless financial

3:18:53policy to have in general, but

3:18:55especially in a meeting where we're

3:18:56we're going to be bringing the magnitude

3:18:58of traffic that we are to that

3:19:00particular side of the corridor that

3:19:01we're moving forward kind of excluding

3:19:03for the time being was just a concern I

3:19:06wanted to to put out there and and ask

3:19:08if maybe that was spoken to to some

3:19:10extent um at CATC or otherwise.

3:19:13>> Yeah. And I think that the reason we

3:19:14focused on that stretch there and it is

3:19:16about one-third of the of the total

3:19:17corridor out there. So, whatever the o

3:19:19overall cost is, 120 million or so, um

3:19:22it' come in about 40 million to to

3:19:24construct that section there. That's

3:19:26where we have the highest traffic

3:19:27volume. So, Delpra, Pine Island, Santa

3:19:30Barbara, Pine Island, um if we can clear

3:19:32up the congestion in there, that that

3:19:33was the focus of of the group there to

3:19:35move forward with that section there. Um

3:19:38as far as the Costco, yeah, I mean, it

3:19:41wasn't on the table uh back when when

3:19:43the decision was made. I'm not sure it

3:19:45would have changed uh much as far as

3:19:47regional traffic. I think we would still

3:19:49very much expect it to um to be the

3:19:52highest in that area there.

3:19:53>> No, I understand that and and I didn't

3:19:55mean change a whole thing for Costco,

3:19:56but Costco is sort of the spark for me

3:19:58as far as moving forward. In a perfect

3:20:00world, if funding wasn't an issue,

3:20:01obviously Laura and and everyone else

3:20:03would would love to to plan for the next

3:20:0540 years, but just something I wanted to

3:20:07throw out there. So, thank you for that.

3:20:08>> Thank you.

3:20:09>> Thanks, Mayor. And just uh to give you

3:20:12some uh information and the rest of

3:20:14council um you know when uh I went to uh

3:20:18Florida League of Cities meetings uh

3:20:20this last time up in Tallahassee I met

3:20:22with the secretary of transportation

3:20:25uh myself uh and our lobbyist and uh one

3:20:29of the things that the secretary had

3:20:30mentioned to me was uh as of right now

3:20:33the state did not have the funding in

3:20:36order to do the whole entire corridor.

3:20:40They said if we could reduce

3:20:43uh the scope of the work, maybe do about

3:20:46a third of the quarter corridor, then

3:20:49they would find the funding for that.

3:20:52Additionally, if you recall, we had put

3:20:54up a little over $4 million for the PD&E

3:20:56study. And also what they agreed to is

3:21:00whatever the delta was to do the PD&

3:21:04study for this corridor because it they

3:21:06said it was going to be more than $4

3:21:08million that they would pay the delta.

3:21:11So trying to work with them. They told

3:21:13us if we push the issue and say look we

3:21:16want to do a PD&E study for the whole

3:21:19entire corridor. All we're going to do

3:21:21is do the study and we're going to put

3:21:23it on the shelf

3:21:24>> because we don't have the money for it.

3:21:26So, it was better to at least get a

3:21:28third of the project.

3:21:29>> Oh, no doubt.

3:21:30>> So, that's why we find ourselves here

3:21:32today.

3:21:33>> Thank you for that background.

3:21:34>> Yep. Uh, council member,

3:21:36>> I was just going to cover what you did,

3:21:37Mayor. Thank you.

3:21:39>> All right. All right. Uh, with no other

3:21:42lights, uh, Mr. City Manager, I see your

3:21:44light on. I

3:21:44>> I know Council Member Long had asked

3:21:46about if we've addressed kind of why

3:21:49this segment versus the the West

3:21:50segment. So this segment from Pondella

3:21:53to Santa Barbara already has a level of

3:21:56F or D.

3:21:57>> It's what we currently have versus where

3:21:59we're going. I

3:22:00>> there's there's still plenty of capacity

3:22:02to the west. So we focused on where the

3:22:04immediate need was.

3:22:05>> Thank you.

3:22:07>> See no, the lights on. Entertain a

3:22:08motion for resolution 299-26.

3:22:11>> Motion to approve 299-26.

3:22:14>> Is there a second?

3:22:16>> Did I hear council member Donnell?

3:22:17>> Yes.

3:22:18>> Okay.

3:22:19Any other discussion? Seeing none, madam

3:22:22city clerk, please call the role.

3:22:23>> Last

3:22:24>> I.

3:22:24>> Leman.

3:22:25>> I.

3:22:26>> Long.

3:22:26>> Hi.

3:22:27>> Steini.

3:22:28>> I.

3:22:28>> Darnell.

3:22:29>> Hi.

3:22:29>> Gunter.

3:22:30>> I.

3:22:31>> Kaduk.

3:22:31>> I.

3:22:32>> Kil Rain.

3:22:33>> I.

3:22:34>> Eight eyes. Motion carried.

3:22:36>> Okay. Uh just a reminder G was already

3:22:38uh we' already heard that. We'll go over

3:22:40to uh item J on the consent agenda.

3:22:44Resolution 308-26.

3:22:46Council member Lasser, uh, you pulled

3:22:48this particular item.

3:22:49>> Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to

3:22:52clarify for the boating community out

3:22:53there, um, because this is just

3:22:55fantastic. So, with this grant, Mr. City

3:22:58Manager will be actually able to add

3:23:01more marine patrol to the waterways.

3:23:04>> I'll let Chief answer.

3:23:05>> Oh, thank you, Chief. I didn't see you

3:23:07sneak in. How are you?

3:23:08>> I'm well. How are you?

3:23:09>> Good, thank you.

3:23:10>> Anthony Seismore, police chief. Um, this

3:23:14is a grant that we've had for many, many

3:23:15years. I want to say almost 20 years.

3:23:17This funds a good portion of our

3:23:20existing marine unit. Uh, there there

3:23:23are no plans to increase the

3:23:25>> Okay.

3:23:26>> That's not in there.

3:23:27>> That's okay. I just

3:23:28>> keeps us rolling or floating.

3:23:29>> To clarify that for some of the voting

3:23:31community that reached out to me about

3:23:32this agenda item, but this is something

3:23:35that we've had a history of receiving

3:23:36and it helps fund what we currently

3:23:38have.

3:23:38>> Correct. It's it's what's grew our

3:23:41marine unit about 20 years ago to its

3:23:44current state and will allow us to

3:23:46maintain the current size.

3:23:48>> Okay, perfect. Thank you. Thank you,

3:23:49mayor.

3:23:51>> Okay, seeing no other lights on, I'll

3:23:52entertain a motion for resolution.

3:23:55>> Yes. Second.

3:23:56>> All right. Any other discussion? Seeing

3:23:58none, madam city clerk, please call the

3:24:00role.

3:24:01>> Last

3:24:02>> I. Leman.

3:24:03>> I.

3:24:04>> Long.

3:24:04>> Hi.

3:24:05>> Stein.

3:24:06>> I.

3:24:06>> Dell.

3:24:07>> I.

3:24:07>> Gunter. I

3:24:09>> Kaduk

3:24:09>> I

3:24:10>> Bill Gil Rain

3:24:10>> I

3:24:11>> eight eyes. Motion carried.

3:24:13>> Okay, we move on to uh item uh consent

3:24:16agenda L uh resolution 311-26.

3:24:18[clears throat]

3:24:19Uh council member Kaduk, you pulled this

3:24:21item. I'll give you the floor.

3:24:23>> Thank you, Mayor. Uh Mr. City Manager,

3:24:25can you give a brief overview of exactly

3:24:27what this is?

3:24:29>> Yeah, so this is related to the

3:24:32assessment portion of the North 3 UEP.

3:24:37So what it takes to get a project done

3:24:42under the design bid build is hiring a

3:24:44design company to design the the stuff

3:24:47underground and at grade bidding that

3:24:52which we do in-house. But so we have a

3:24:54design firm, then we have contractors

3:24:56bid on the work to do the underground

3:24:57portion and then we have an assessment

3:25:01which is the financial backing for the

3:25:04bonds that we would issue to pay for the

3:25:06project. These resolutions deal

3:25:09specifically with the assessment portion

3:25:11of the project.

3:25:14After the initial assessment, we had a

3:25:16cow meeting and in that cow meeting, the

3:25:20consensus of council was to suspend the

3:25:23project as a res in because of the work

3:25:28that was designed and the bids we had to

3:25:30pay for that work. This is repealing.

3:25:34This is one of the pieces,

3:25:36rescending, sorry, not repealing,

3:25:38rescending the initial assessment.

3:25:41Between the initial assessment and the

3:25:44final assessment, there are a series of

3:25:46things that need to take place in order

3:25:48to meet the statutory requirements to be

3:25:51a legally valid assessment. because we

3:25:54have suspended that and didn't do

3:25:56certain things. This is necessary to

3:25:59basically stop the assessment portion

3:26:02and then we'll if we when we move

3:26:05forward with nor three we'll have to

3:26:07restart that aspect with a whole new

3:26:10assessment.

3:26:11>> Thank you. Thank you for the overview.

3:26:13And in that committee of the whole

3:26:14meeting, we were presented with three

3:26:16different options, which was status quo.

3:26:19East of Bernto Road had an assessment.

3:26:21West of Bernto Road had an assessment.

3:26:23Option two was for staff to find

3:26:26nonassessed transportation funds to pay

3:26:29for the $17.3 million. And option three,

3:26:33which is what the majority of council

3:26:35went with, which was to redesign the

3:26:38entire project. And that would of course

3:26:41take a minimum of 12 months. Maybe

3:26:44>> redesign the multi-lane divided

3:26:47roadways. Not not the entire you said

3:26:49entire. I just want to help.

3:26:51>> What about roundabouts? Would that be

3:26:52included in that?

3:26:54>> So what was discussed and what was

3:26:56stated is that we were directed to put

3:27:00back what is there now.

3:27:02>> So no roundabouts.

3:27:03>> What is there now are not roundabouts.

3:27:05So after this council leaves, we were

3:27:08going to have a a cow meeting with the

3:27:11new council

3:27:13and let them know that what our

3:27:14direction was was to put back what's

3:27:16there today, which what we call the

3:27:17typical roadway in our EDS, engineering

3:27:20design standards, and ask the new

3:27:22council if they wanted to include the

3:27:26roundabouts because that is not

3:27:29commensurate with the direction we got.

3:27:32But we took significant actions in

3:27:33buying property and designing

3:27:35roundabouts for safety. So we we still

3:27:37need to clear that up. But if we went

3:27:39strictly on just replace what was there

3:27:43today, it would not include roundabouts.

3:27:45>> And it's my understanding that there

3:27:46were two roundabouts which was

3:27:49>> road and Tropicana Old Bore Road and

3:27:51Kismmet Parkway.

3:27:52>> Yes, ma'am.

3:27:53>> Okay. Thank you. And um I have it pulled

3:27:56up. I don't know if you guys can have it

3:27:57pulled up from our committee of the

3:27:59whole meeting. Slide eight. We pulled we

3:28:02got it ready.

3:28:02>> Perfect. So, can you explain the two

3:28:06photos, please?

3:28:08>> Sure. Uh, Bill Corbett Public Works. Uh,

3:28:10so at the top of the screen, you see our

3:28:12existing 100 foot rightway reflecting

3:28:15what I would call our typical major road

3:28:17crosssection. Uh, we call this a

3:28:20four-lane divided roadway. Although

3:28:23there may be circumstances that it is

3:28:25striped with two lanes with a bike lane,

3:28:27it is indeed infrastructure adequate to

3:28:29carry a four-lane facility into the

3:28:31future should capacity dictate the need.

3:28:34Uh underneath what you see is

3:28:36alternative 5 as approved by city

3:28:37council, which included a two-way

3:28:40undivided roadway, roadside swale

3:28:42system, which we currently utilize as we

3:28:44have an open channel drainage system. Uh

3:28:47and then two multi-use paths, one on

3:28:49either side of the road, uh with the

3:28:51thought that there would be future

3:28:52roadside landscaping as part of another

3:28:54project.

3:28:55>> And the bottom photo that you just

3:28:57explained is what the current design is.

3:29:00Is that correct?

3:29:01>> That is correct. That reflects alternate

3:29:03five.

3:29:04>> Okay. Thank you.

3:29:05>> Can I expand on the bottom a little bit,

3:29:06please?

3:29:07>> Okay.

3:29:08>> So the picture is a little bit

3:29:09deceptive, right?

3:29:10>> But it's an AI generated picture. So we

3:29:13>> the scale is not equivalent. If you look

3:29:15at the top, which is the typical

3:29:17rightaway,

3:29:19let's just use the one on the left side

3:29:21that has the cars facing us.

3:29:23>> Mhm.

3:29:23>> You see that's a 20ft roadway. That's

3:29:25two 10-ft lanes. And then the other 20ft

3:29:28roadway is two 10-ft lanes going the

3:29:31other way. On the bottom, you'll notice

3:29:34that we provide a 24ft roadway. So,

3:29:36we're we're giving a little bit more

3:29:38room for vehicles and trailers and, you

3:29:42know, delivery trucks to travel. But on

3:29:44the outside, I want to call, this is

3:29:47where I want to call particular

3:29:48attention to the community in you all.

3:29:51It says 10 foot mu

3:29:54>> multi-use.

3:29:55>> It doesn't look like the same width of

3:29:57the 20 foot rightway, but essentially

3:29:59what we've done here is we've replaced

3:30:03one set of roadways. We've split it in

3:30:06half and we put 10t of that asphalt on

3:30:09one side and 10 foot on the other.

3:30:12So there there is a significant portion

3:30:15of the North three residents who keep

3:30:16saying nobody nobody's ever else had to

3:30:19pay for their sidewalks. Well, first of

3:30:20all, sidewalks are 5- foot. We are not

3:30:24putting in sidewalks,

3:30:26>> multi-use path.

3:30:26>> We are putting in a 10-ft multi-use path

3:30:29that can handle low-speed vehicles, golf

3:30:31carts, bicycles, pedestrians,

3:30:36mobility scooters, all of the things.

3:30:39And so we've all we've done is taken

3:30:42what otherwise would have been that

3:30:44roadway that is has the cars leaving us,

3:30:47cut it in half and stretch it out, but

3:30:50they're not 5-ft sidewalk. So when the

3:30:53residents in the last meeting were

3:30:55saying, "Well, we shouldn't have to pay

3:30:56for our sidewalks. That's not fair."

3:30:59It's it's I want to make sure people

3:31:01understand nobody's asking anybody to

3:31:04pay for sidewalks. All we've done is

3:31:06repurpose the road that they otherwise

3:31:09would have paid for in any other

3:31:10assessment.

3:31:12Thank you.

3:31:13>> Thank you. Thank you so much for the

3:31:15explanation. And I just want this

3:31:17council to know one has courted me on

3:31:20this, but I have had a change of heart.

3:31:22After we had our committee of the whole

3:31:24meeting, I was of the majority that was

3:31:28for option three, which was to go back

3:31:31to redesign, rebid, redo everything. And

3:31:34I don't agree with that. I went home. I

3:31:36stared at my ceiling for many hours and

3:31:38I thought why we are trying to develop a

3:31:41city. I went to Tropicana Park where we

3:31:45were invited for uh the Seven Islands

3:31:48presentation this past Thursday and I

3:31:50stood and stared just like I did for

3:31:52Biminy East. And I can envision it. I

3:31:54see the vision. And with that, I don't

3:31:57think we should be redesigning and going

3:31:59back to exactly what is there. We have

3:32:01an opportunity to make this right. Let's

3:32:04do it right. And I would like to direct

3:32:06staff to find the $17.3 million in

3:32:10nonassessed. Nonassessed means

3:32:12nonassessed fees. We're not going to

3:32:14assess our residents for it. And I sent

3:32:16a list of questions and Mr. Mason did

3:32:18respond to them. And I thought one of

3:32:19the most important questions that was

3:32:21asked in my email and I have it pulled

3:32:23up was what are the legally available

3:32:27funds for this payment? And Mr. Mason

3:32:29responded, "All revenues in the general

3:32:31fund are legally available unless there

3:32:34is a restriction imposed on that revenue

3:32:35source." So, we can find the funds. We

3:32:38can find the $17.3 million to make this

3:32:41right and not assess our residents in

3:32:43doing the right roads. We're building

3:32:46the Seven Islands. I sent everyone the

3:32:48the vision plan. We all got that email.

3:32:50I know the public didn't get it, but

3:32:51I'll share it with anyone that wants it.

3:32:54This is a transformational project with

3:32:56the Seven Islands going in. We should

3:32:57have the multi-use pads.

3:33:00I really don't think we should go

3:33:02redesign and take this out. We need the

3:33:04roundabouts. We should be using

3:33:05multimodal pads. That's what we just

3:33:07switched from an impact fee to a

3:33:09multimodal to a uh mobility fee for. So

3:33:13with that, I don't want to support these

3:33:16LM andn. And I think that it should come

3:33:19before the new council of course

3:33:22the first committee of the whole

3:33:23meeting. We should be be discussing it.

3:33:26I I just want to be clear to to the

3:33:28council. I if this fails,

3:33:32the assessments are still legally

3:33:34deficient. We still have to start those

3:33:36over.

3:33:37>> Of course,

3:33:37>> so

3:33:38>> the new council is going to make

3:33:39>> you can make the stance in that you

3:33:40don't want to resend this because

3:33:41because the direction given off of that

3:33:43was to go a different direction. I just

3:33:45want you all to understand it. We still

3:33:47have to restart the assessment with with

3:33:50a new sense of direction.

3:33:51>> Yep. So no matter what the new council

3:33:53is making the decision,

3:33:54>> correct?

3:33:56For me personally, if the new council is

3:33:58listening, I think we should be moving

3:33:59forward with transforming our city in

3:34:02the proper way, not putting back what we

3:34:03had. So that's why I will be supporting

3:34:05the alt 5 design and I would support

3:34:08nonassessed transportation fees paying

3:34:11for it. Non-assessed means non assessed

3:34:13and I don't want our residents being

3:34:15assessed for that path. That is all.

3:34:17Thank you.

3:34:19And today, if you look at the

3:34:21resolutions here, the only thing that we

3:34:23are doing,

3:34:25um, and the second line pretty much says

3:34:27it, uh, we're just rescending resolution

3:34:30243-26

3:34:32or 244-26 or 245-26

3:34:36because of the decision that this body

3:34:38had made. right

3:34:40>> now, Council Member Kaduk, uh that could

3:34:43be the direction that the new council

3:34:45goes in, but as the city manager stated

3:34:48already, we already because we've

3:34:51already canceled the contracts, um we

3:34:54have to resend the assessment.

3:34:59>> Go ahead.

3:35:00>> You brought up the contracts. Can I

3:35:01elaborate on that a little bit?

3:35:03So we have we have the assessment itself

3:35:07>> which is following one statutory path

3:35:11for legally valid assessment. We have

3:35:14the contracts which follows our own

3:35:16procurement regulations.

3:35:18>> Right?

3:35:18>> So if you remember during that cow on

3:35:20let's let's focus on the contract path I

3:35:23said we would be notifying the

3:35:25contractors we were going to be

3:35:27cancelling those bids.

3:35:30We have notified them that we were

3:35:33cancelling the bids. We've also because

3:35:36there were questions from council

3:35:37members, could we extend the bids? So,

3:35:40we also asked them if they would extend

3:35:43their bids for 120 days. I don't know if

3:35:45we've received those. We did receive

3:35:47them.

3:35:49>> Okay. I haven't seen. Yeah. Go ahead. So

3:35:51on the contract path, if the new council

3:35:55wants to

3:35:57keep the alt 5 with the roundabouts,

3:36:00we were also trying to salvage that for

3:36:03them if possible.

3:36:06>> Go ahead. So Mark Mason, assistant city

3:36:09manager. As far as the contracts are

3:36:10concerned, uh there was there's eight

3:36:13contract areas.

3:36:15uh three of the contract areas uh the

3:36:18two bid award

3:36:21the two winning biders have agreed that

3:36:23yes they would extend it. However, they

3:36:24haven't given us a time period that they

3:36:26would extend it to. Uh two of them have

3:36:29not yet returned a either a yay or nay

3:36:32uh answer. And two of the contracts we

3:36:34actually pulled off the street before

3:36:36they were opened and bids would have

3:36:38been identified the award the winning

3:36:40biders. So, two of the contracts are

3:36:42going out to bid anyways again. Uh, and

3:36:46we don't have answers from two of them.

3:36:47In contract 8, which is strictly for the

3:36:50master pump stations, the master pump

3:36:52stations are not accessible, uh, and

3:36:56they are not included in the

3:36:57assessments. We will be bringing that

3:36:58back to the city council, I think on

3:37:00December 2nd, uh, to award that that

3:37:03contract and move forward with building

3:37:05them. They're independent of the need

3:37:07for, uh, you know, adding anything else

3:37:10today. So we can actually build them now

3:37:12at a reduced cost uh as opposed to a

3:37:15potential higher or an increased cost in

3:37:18the future. Thank you.

3:37:21>> Yes. So you know for me all we are doing

3:37:23here today is rescending uh the uh

3:37:27assessment resolution because we have to

3:37:30start over anyway. it's going to be the

3:37:32next council uh you know that'll be

3:37:35seated on November 18th and a week later

3:37:38on November 26 they could have a cow

3:37:41meeting and discuss the direction that

3:37:43they want to go in. So for me uh I have

3:37:47uh I'll support all three of the

3:37:49resolutions to resend the assessments

3:37:52since we have to start that process over

3:37:54anyway. Then the new council can have

3:37:56the discussion what they want to do what

3:37:58the costs are. I think some of it was

3:38:00cost with us. And then more importantly,

3:38:03I think the new council will have the

3:38:05benefit that we didn't because they're

3:38:08going to know if amendment three passes.

3:38:12We we didn't have that benefit. They

3:38:14will. So that could be a a game changer

3:38:18either way. So, I think it's best, like

3:38:21this council already gave the direction

3:38:23to leave it with uh leave it with the

3:38:26new uh the council to make the decision

3:38:28and we'll just go ahead and let them

3:38:30start the uh start the process over

3:38:33again. I'm sure they'll get more

3:38:34feedback from the community, see what

3:38:36the costs are going to be, and then

3:38:38they'll make a good informed decision

3:38:39from there. Uh Council Member Kelling.

3:38:42>> Yeah, just just one thing to add to

3:38:43that. In addition to any uh and again

3:38:46for future discussion, in addition to

3:38:48any re-engineering cost to go to the the

3:38:52prior roadway condition with an upgraded

3:38:55to current standards, uh we have

3:38:59received

3:39:00a a water grant uh over the last week.

3:39:04Uh last Thursday, it was uh proceeded to

3:39:08us for $4 million.

3:39:10uh that would be for a shovel ready

3:39:12project to the extent that UEP3

3:39:15would be delayed for an extended period

3:39:17of time. Uh that grant would likely have

3:39:20to be moved over to another applicable

3:39:23project, not necessarily in the in the

3:39:26UE3

3:39:28area. So that's another cost

3:39:30consideration that might be associated

3:39:33with UE3 when we discuss it. I just want

3:39:35to make sure that people are aware of

3:39:37that, too. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, Council

3:39:39Member Leman.

3:39:40>> Yeah. Um, Council Member Kaduk, I just

3:39:44want a clarification on something. When

3:39:46you're [clears throat] saying we need to

3:39:48find the funds, so that ultimately what

3:39:50you're saying is we go with alt 5.

3:39:53However, the cost for the east side of

3:39:57burnt store, which is 35264

3:40:00currently,

3:40:02would be the same for the west side

3:40:04because they wouldn't be assessed all

3:40:07five, the 57. Am I understanding you

3:40:11correctly?

3:40:11>> A little bit better. When I had my

3:40:12one-on-one with the city manager, I

3:40:14explained very specifically that I

3:40:16didn't find it fair. So, I would like

3:40:19them to throw everyone back into the

3:40:20pot. It would be a new assessment and it

3:40:23should be a fair assessment everything

3:40:24across the board. So yes, you're

3:40:27tracking exactly what I'm saying.

3:40:28>> All right, we're talking the same thing.

3:40:30So it would be the same for the east

3:40:31side of burnt store as for the west. But

3:40:34ultimately with these three resolutions,

3:40:38we are just putting we're tableabling

3:40:41the assessments currently

3:40:44um so that this way the new council can

3:40:49make the final decision

3:40:51and

3:40:53then instead of a delay,

3:40:57let the new council decide to go with

3:40:59alt five. have it the assessment equal

3:41:03on both sides and we figure out how to

3:41:06find the money.

3:41:07>> Yep.

3:41:08>> Okay. I just wanted to make sure I

3:41:10understood what you were talking about

3:41:12and I would totally agree with you on

3:41:14that.

3:41:15>> Perfect.

3:41:15>> Thank you,

3:41:16>> Council Member Long.

3:41:17>> Yeah, I'm just trying to trying to

3:41:18process this procedurally. So, let's

3:41:20just say that that's the that's the goal

3:41:21and there's enough of us to move

3:41:23forward.

3:41:23>> Councilwoman Kaduk, obviously you given

3:41:25this thought. What does that

3:41:26procedurally look like as far as action

3:41:28that this council takes tonight? So, I

3:41:30was actually going I put my light on and

3:41:32it's blinking because I will be speaking

3:41:33after you, but I was going to ask our uh

3:41:35city attorney to explain exactly what we

3:41:38should be doing this evening. I thought

3:41:39we went over this. We had three one-on-

3:41:42ones about this and I still am not very

3:41:44clear on what exactly we should be doing

3:41:45and how we should do it. You know what I

3:41:47want to accomplish?

3:41:48>> I do. So, the first and foremost,

3:41:50because you've approved the initial

3:41:53assessment at the first public hearing,

3:41:54you've got to address that. The way to

3:41:57address that is because we've now fallen

3:42:00out of legal compliance is to resend.

3:42:03That's what these three resolutions

3:42:05accomplish. If there's the will of this

3:42:07council, a motion can in fact be made

3:42:11directing administration along with

3:42:14legal in order to reccommence

3:42:18the process of legally assessing this

3:42:21property or these properties for North 3

3:42:24UP with the understanding that it would

3:42:27remain to include alt 5, but that it

3:42:30would not be assessed to the individual

3:42:33property owners. If that is in fact

3:42:36supported here, then that is something

3:42:38that I would commence the process of

3:42:40getting it done. But it wouldn't be

3:42:42brought back before

3:42:44>> this council

3:42:44>> this council will be brought back in

3:42:46December more likely than not because I

3:42:48have to reconfigure the amounts.

3:42:50>> Okay. So that was the basis of my

3:42:51question is is is regardless of of how

3:42:53we act, if we do give that direction,

3:42:55it's just a suggestion to the next

3:42:56council more or less. I mean, how much

3:42:59action are you really going to be taking

3:43:01before you get to that next council's

3:43:04inflection point?

3:43:05>> It could be undone.

3:43:07>> It could be. Um,

3:43:09>> it's just a more I guess strongly u

3:43:12reflected uh suggestion from this

3:43:14council to the next. Is that is that

3:43:16more

3:43:16>> essentially?

3:43:17>> Okay. Um because no matter what

3:43:19>> not certainly not handcuffs or anything

3:43:21like that. No, because no matter what

3:43:23I'm gonna, you know, in order for me to

3:43:25legally comply with Florida law,

3:43:27>> it's going to come before the council in

3:43:30December.

3:43:30>> Okay.

3:43:33>> Uh, okay. I'll wait to hear what uh my

3:43:35peers have. I just wanted that

3:43:37clarified, I guess, for my purposes.

3:43:38Thank you.

3:43:39>> And before I go to Council Member Kadoo,

3:43:41Council Member Stanky, your lights on.

3:43:42You haven't spoken yet, so I'll give you

3:43:44the floor and then then I'll go to

3:43:45Council Member Kadoo.

3:43:46>> Thank you, Mayor. Um just just for

3:43:49clarification uh I went through kind of

3:43:52a mathematics exercise like this before

3:43:54we uh handled this in the cow and I had

3:43:59the numbers all prepared but it was a

3:44:00feudal effort at the time. Um what it's

3:44:04sounding like right now um I think could

3:44:06be a little deceiving for some to just

3:44:08say um what we'll do now since we've had

3:44:11this major epiphany that the last

3:44:14decision was wrong was that each uh

3:44:18party uh on the east side and the west

3:44:20side would pay the same amount and the

3:44:21rest of the dollars would go towards uh

3:44:25wherever we can find it in the general

3:44:26fund. Well, there needs to be an

3:44:28understanding that the math was done

3:44:30differently on the east and the west due

3:44:34to amount of population.

3:44:37When the math gets redone so that

3:44:39everybody pays the same thing, the

3:44:42people on the east are going to pay more

3:44:46so that the people on the west can pay

3:44:48less.

3:44:49>> Just so it's clear, that's that's what's

3:44:53going to happen. now to recalculate this

3:44:57so that everybody pays the same. So be

3:45:00prepared for the emails when the

3:45:02recalculation is done. It's why this has

3:45:04to be rescended is because the math has

3:45:07to be done again.

3:45:09And the math to level the assessment

3:45:12amongst all members of that UE. The east

3:45:16is going to go up and yes that will then

3:45:19allow the west to come down and the

3:45:21entire populace of the cape can pay for

3:45:24the enhancements.

3:45:27Thank you

3:45:28>> council member Kaduk.

3:45:29>> Thank you mayor. Yes, you are correct

3:45:31council member Seni. However, the bulk

3:45:33of it is still coming from nonassessed.

3:45:35They will not be assessed on the

3:45:37transportation fee. So they're really I

3:45:40mean yeah there both east and west will

3:45:43have a different number but it will be

3:45:44nonassessed before they were being

3:45:45assessed for this. So that's the biggest

3:45:48takeaway.

3:45:49>> We're finding nonassessed.

3:45:51And by the way I'm I'm jumping onto your

3:45:54ship. I'm actually jumping onto what you

3:45:56voted for. So

3:45:58>> it's not an assessment. Their skills

3:45:59going to be assessed.

3:46:00>> Well just like I have an assessment in

3:46:02North East. that we're paying for these

3:46:05roadway improvements with nonassessed

3:46:07transportation fees.

3:46:10That's how I think we should be doing

3:46:11it. Non-assessed means non-assessed. So,

3:46:13we will find the money. Um, Mr. City

3:46:16Attorney, how what do you suggest to do

3:46:19this properly? still rescend or do I

3:46:23make a motion to direct staff

3:46:27>> to put east and west into their own uh

3:46:31assessment

3:46:32together.

3:46:34>> You you have to resend first. That is

3:46:36the first step. We have to deal with

3:46:38that.

3:46:39>> Um and then you can make whatever motion

3:46:43depending on where you want to go.

3:46:45uh after this these are all done then

3:46:47you can make a motion regarding the

3:46:49direction to staff is if that's

3:46:51supported by four of your other

3:46:53colleagues then we will of course

3:46:55execute that

3:46:56>> right so we know that it's coming to a

3:46:59committee of the whole for the next

3:47:01council regardless of any motion being

3:47:03made tonight

3:47:05>> well it would have to the problem is no

3:47:07committee of the whole meeting has been

3:47:08set

3:47:09>> I know

3:47:10>> so it and and I think part of the reason

3:47:12is is and I think what was was explained

3:47:14is

3:47:16>> administration needs to know what

3:47:18[snorts] to include in the assessment

3:47:21>> and so and and that is necessary in

3:47:23order to as council member Stany said to

3:47:27do the numbers.

3:47:28>> Yep.

3:47:28>> So I I think all that is necessary uh

3:47:32for it to occur for us to have a

3:47:34legitimate first assessment to be heard.

3:47:38>> Okay. Okay. Thank you,

3:47:41>> Council Member Do.

3:47:42>> Yeah. I just wanted to throw that out. I

3:47:45I I certainly see where you're going

3:47:47with it, council member. I I think right

3:47:49now though, we're just so take care of

3:47:51this business and all that energy. Let's

3:47:53bring that back to the first the new

3:47:55council. Let's don't make anything cuz I

3:47:57don't want to hear we don't have enough

3:47:58to deal with and you're trying to slide

3:48:00something in and let's just sunset that.

3:48:03But I'm definitely supporting what

3:48:04you're going after. But let's just wait

3:48:06till they get seated. That's why I won't

3:48:08be supporting any subsequent action

3:48:11tonight. But when it comes back, I'm

3:48:12gonna say like, "Well, you didn't

3:48:14support it." Then I'll be on board.

3:48:16That's all.

3:48:17>> Uh, Council Member Kelling.

3:48:19>> Yeah, I'm on the same page as uh

3:48:22Councilman Darnell just said. Let's go

3:48:24ahead. We get this done tonight. And

3:48:26then the second step is getting in front

3:48:28of the new council because they're the

3:48:30ones who are going to really have to

3:48:31decide how to uh partial out. and I'm

3:48:35I'm in agreement with the manner in

3:48:37which is described, [clears throat] but

3:48:38let's let's bring it forth to the new

3:48:40council to do that.

3:48:42>> So, I hear at least four that are in

3:48:45agreement. So, I mean, all it takes is

3:48:47one more and we're back to it something

3:48:49different from the count,

3:48:50>> right?

3:48:50>> Uh, Mr. City Attorney, uh, can we make

3:48:54one motion to incorporate all three

3:48:56resol?

3:48:56>> I would rather have you do it all

3:48:58individually.

3:48:59>> Okay. Okay.

3:48:59>> All right. See all the lights on, I

3:49:01entertain a motion for resolution

3:49:02311-26. Motion to approve.

3:49:04>> Second.

3:49:06>> Any more council discussion? Seeing

3:49:08none, madam city clerk, please call the

3:49:10role.

3:49:10>> Last

3:49:11>> I.

3:49:12>> Leman.

3:49:12>> I.

3:49:13>> Long.

3:49:14>> I.

3:49:14>> Steini.

3:49:15>> I.

3:49:16>> Darnell.

3:49:16>> I.

3:49:17>> Gunter.

3:49:18>> I.

3:49:18>> Kaduk.

3:49:19>> I.

3:49:19>> Gil. Rain.

3:49:20>> I.

3:49:20>> Adid. Motion carried.

3:49:22>> Okay. Move on to resolution uh 312-26.

3:49:27Council member Kaduk, you pulled it, so

3:49:28I'll give you the floor.

3:49:30>> Motion to approve resolution 312-26.

3:49:32>> Second. Any council discussion? Seeing

3:49:35none, madam city clerk, please call the

3:49:36role.

3:49:37>> Last

3:49:38>> I.

3:49:38>> Leman,

3:49:39>> I.

3:49:39>> Long

3:49:40>> I.

3:49:41>> Steini.

3:49:41>> I.

3:49:42>> Donnell.

3:49:43>> I.

3:49:43>> Gunter.

3:49:44>> I.

3:49:44>> Kaduk.

3:49:45>> I.

3:49:46>> Kil Rain.

3:49:46>> I.

3:49:47>> Eight. Eyes. Motion carried.

3:49:49>> Okay. Lastly is resolution 313-26.

3:49:52Uh, Council Member Kaduk, you pulled it.

3:49:54I'll give you the floor.

3:49:55>> Motion to approve resolution 313-26.

3:49:58>> Second.

3:49:59>> Any other discussion? Seeing none, madam

3:50:02city clerk, please call the role.

3:50:03>> Last

3:50:04>> I

3:50:04>> Leman

3:50:05>> I.

3:50:06>> Long

3:50:07>> I.

3:50:07>> Steini

3:50:08>> I.

3:50:08>> Dell.

3:50:09>> I.

3:50:10>> Gunter.

3:50:10>> I.

3:50:11>> Gadoo.

3:50:11>> I.

3:50:12>> Rain.

3:50:13>> I.

3:50:13>> Eight eyes. Motion carried.

3:50:14>> Okay. Move on to item 11. Appointments

3:50:16to boards and committees. Tonight we

3:50:18have uh planning and zoning commission.

3:50:21Uh we have three regular member

3:50:23positions open and two alternate member

3:50:27position

3:50:29uh that are open. My understanding,

3:50:31madame city clerk, uh after posting

3:50:34these particular positions, we have

3:50:37three reappoint uh applicants uh that

3:50:41have applied all for reappoints. That's

3:50:43Philip Otana, Jack Martin, and Thomas

3:50:47Senator. Is that correct?

3:50:49>> That is correct. Uh so with that uh

3:50:52since we got uh three positions for

3:50:55regular positions uh and these three

3:50:58individuals are uh open for reappoint.

3:51:02Uh I guess uh

3:51:05>> if go ahead

3:51:06>> motion to reappoint all three

3:51:14>> second.

3:51:16>> Okay. And then um madame city clerk, I

3:51:19guess we will repost the alternate

3:51:21position sometime at a later date.

3:51:24>> Yes, sir.

3:51:24>> All right. Uh see other lights on. Madam

3:51:27city clerk, please call the role.

3:51:28>> Last

3:51:29>> I.

3:51:30>> Leman.

3:51:30>> Hi.

3:51:31>> Long.

3:51:32>> Hi.

3:51:33>> Steini.

3:51:34>> I.

3:51:34>> Danell.

3:51:35>> I.

3:51:35>> Gunter.

3:51:36>> I.

3:51:36>> Gaduk

3:51:37>> I.

3:51:37>> Kil Rain.

3:51:38>> I.

3:51:39>> Eight eyes. Motion carried.

3:51:40>> Okay. Item 12 is unfinished business. Uh

3:51:43A is follow-up items for council.

3:51:45There's none listed. B is follow-up

3:51:47items for city management. Uh there's

3:51:49none listed there. 13 is new business.

3:51:52We do not have any. Uh item 14 is

3:51:55ordinances and resolutions. Uh quasi

3:51:58judicial hearings, which is 14A. There's

3:52:00none listed tonight, so we'll go to 14B,

3:52:03legislative, uh public hearings. Uh

3:52:06first uh of which

3:52:0931426

3:52:12>> is ordinance resol or I'm sorry on my

3:52:14paper it says ordinance in resolution so

3:52:16I don't know which it is.

3:52:17>> Resolution

3:52:18>> uh resolution 314-26.

3:52:21Madam city clerk please read the title.

3:52:24Resolution 314-26,

3:52:26a resolution of the mayor and city

3:52:28council of the city of Cape Coral,

3:52:30Florida, declining the acceptance of the

3:52:32nomination of for freedoms park as a

3:52:34historic and/or cultural resource

3:52:37pursuant to chapter 2, article 5,

3:52:40division 7, historical and cultural

3:52:43resources of the code of ordinances of

3:52:45the city of Cape Coral, Florida,

3:52:47providing for an effective date.

3:52:49>> Okay, I'll turn it over to staff.

3:52:52>> Thank you, mayor. I'm going to uh handle

3:52:54this one. So, the item before you

3:52:56tonight uh was prompted by a nomination

3:52:59for for freedoms park to be a historic

3:53:01and cultural resource under our city

3:53:04code. So, understand there are federal

3:53:08designations for historic, there are

3:53:10state and then in Cape Coral we have a

3:53:12city code that has a a historic

3:53:15nomination.

3:53:16The

3:53:18the stated reason under the letter that

3:53:21was submitted was titled current threat

3:53:25reason for prompt review. On October

3:53:287th, Cape Coral Council is scheduled to

3:53:31consider the Biminy East redevelopment

3:53:33agreement. Current reporting on the

3:53:35proposed agreement states they're

3:53:36including a 99-year ground lease. And

3:53:39the pending proposal makes prompt

3:53:41historical review appropriate so council

3:53:43can evaluate the site's historical and c

3:53:46cultural significance before

3:53:48irreversible physical changes occur.

3:53:52I want to focus on those two points.

3:53:56The reason for this was to try to stop

3:54:00the biminy development agreement

3:54:03and to have that done before

3:54:06irreversible physical changes occur.

3:54:10I have been an employee here for 24

3:54:12years

3:54:14and I want the picture that I asked

3:54:16Moren to put up is our original for

3:54:20Freedoms Park.

3:54:23The reason that we asked for the

3:54:24amphitheater to be in the RFP for all

3:54:28those people who are claiming history is

3:54:31because there's your amphitheater lawn.

3:54:36Our city's first amphitheater, not first

3:54:40park, first amphitheater was at Four

3:54:42Freedoms. There was also a beach there.

3:54:47So, at one point prior to us coming

3:54:50back, and I'll I'll circle back to the

3:54:51beach at Four Freedoms, there were two

3:54:53beaches in the city.

3:54:57But along the city's development,

3:55:00irreversible

3:55:02change, physical change has already

3:55:04happened at this site.

3:55:11The amphitheater lawn

3:55:13and the hill that was part of the

3:55:15amphitheater lawn

3:55:17I removed as public works business

3:55:20manager over a decade ago, probably

3:55:2518 years ago.

3:55:28And the reason that I did that was

3:55:30because the then CRA board,

3:55:33which was a board of citizens,

3:55:37recommended to put a beach back there.

3:55:41Well, to do that, the amphitheater lawn

3:55:44was in the way.

3:55:47And by the way, that property, just like

3:55:50some of the other ones that are in

3:55:52biminy, had never paid seak fees.

3:55:58So, as a part of that project that I had

3:56:00then, I had to subdivide the parcel. And

3:56:02if you, anyone who looks at four

3:56:04freedoms today, you'll notice there's a

3:56:06parcel that literally wraps the beach.

3:56:09And that was to prevent the CRA from

3:56:12having to pay 60 to $80,000 in SEAK fees

3:56:16just to put the beach back.

3:56:20So when people are clamoring for our

3:56:23city's history, it's not based on the

3:56:27historical use.

3:56:30It's based on what they know today

3:56:31because they're trying to stop

3:56:34progress.

3:56:37So we are looking to bring back the

3:56:40amphitheater.

3:56:42We are looking to bring back part of the

3:56:44city's history. Now,

3:56:47the reason for the the denial of the of

3:56:50the recommendation is because all of the

3:56:53things that are stated, there has

3:56:55already been irreversible change to the

3:56:58park and we've already move forward with

3:57:00the DA. But that doesn't mean that we

3:57:04can't find a way to put a sign down

3:57:08there to explain to people when they

3:57:11come to the new Biminy East development

3:57:15what the significance of that park was

3:57:17for the community at its inception.

3:57:20There was also, just so you all know,

3:57:22and I'm not going to throw the author

3:57:25under the bus, but there was some

3:57:28reference to this being the city's first

3:57:30part. This park was started in 1963

3:57:35and September and opened in June of 64.

3:57:40That's three years after the yach club.

3:57:44This is not the city's first part.

3:57:48And I've spoken to the author of that

3:57:50article who went back and did some

3:57:52research and confirmed that accurac

3:57:54accurately. So, the recommendation is to

3:57:59deny the application, but then have

3:58:01staff work with the historical society

3:58:05to develop a sign that would discuss

3:58:09what this park was. Again, if you

3:58:12remember with the DA, the deed

3:58:14restriction to be open to the public

3:58:17rides on the land.

3:58:20None of that goes away.

3:58:24That's the presentation. Thank you,

3:58:27>> Council Member Leman.

3:58:28>> Yeah. Um, Mr. City Manager, this morning

3:58:33in our one-on-one

3:58:36we had

3:58:38discussed

3:58:40uh the concept of the historical or

3:58:44cultural

3:58:46designation. And you had said if we had

3:58:51the historical and cultural designation

3:58:55then yes it would not make

3:58:59uh the crown development arrangement go

3:59:02away but what it would do was any

3:59:04changes that they made to for freedoms

3:59:08park

3:59:10they would have to come to council to be

3:59:13approved i.e. the new council, not the

3:59:16current council. They would have to

3:59:18approve each individual

3:59:22situation that Crown wanted to do to

3:59:26change. Correct.

3:59:28>> The certificate of review requires a

3:59:30council review. If you if you designate

3:59:32it as a as a it depends if you're

3:59:35designating the site or the architecture

3:59:38the buildings that would require

3:59:41a certificate review under the city's

3:59:44code. So for those who don't know our

3:59:47Cape Coral Yach Club, the site where the

3:59:49yach club was was designated as a

3:59:53historic site for the city. When we

3:59:57brought the redevelopment plan for the

3:59:59yach club forward, our past city

4:00:02attorney, not Alex, deemed that when

4:00:05council approved the design contract for

4:00:09that redesign, that s certificate of

4:00:12approval had had been met. In this

4:00:15situation, we've already approved a

4:00:18redevelopment plan for the site. So now

4:00:22you would be inserting more barriers to

4:00:25permitting in order to get the project

4:00:28done,

4:00:29>> but then we would designate it as a

4:00:32historical site and we would the council

4:00:36would have to approve any changes crown

4:00:39months to make to that. Correct.

4:00:42>> It it would essentially kill the the

4:00:44project.

4:00:46>> All of Biminy East.

4:00:48>> Yes.

4:00:50All right. Thank you.

4:00:52>> If I may, mayor, uh yes, sir, so that

4:00:55the record is clear, I did

4:00:57>> the city attorney's office did receive

4:00:58an email from

4:01:01the attorney for uh the development. Uh

4:01:04and I'm going to read it verbatim. It's

4:01:06uh it says any such request, and this is

4:01:08a request to designate for Freedoms Park

4:01:10as historical landmark. any such request

4:01:13would be detrimental to the plans for

4:01:15the improvements planned for the park as

4:01:18contemplated by the development

4:01:19agreement. So, I want you to all be

4:01:21aware that that was received today from

4:01:23their council and and that's the that's

4:01:26the goal

4:01:28stated in the reason for the submitt.

4:01:34The goal the goal was specifically to

4:01:36stop BIM. It was an attempt to try to

4:01:39stop the redevelopment.

4:01:43>> All right. Thank you.

4:01:45>> Uh, Council Member Last.

4:01:47>> Thank you, Mayor. So, Mr. City Man, Mr.

4:01:49City Manager, are we able then you're

4:01:52saying we could um put the history up

4:01:55about the park, like for example, have

4:01:57an educational kiosk with a plaque,

4:02:00maybe with this photograph of what it

4:02:02originally looked like with the

4:02:04amphitheater that used to be there

4:02:06that's no longer there. there that we're

4:02:07trying to get back to. Is there any way

4:02:09we could have that educational piece and

4:02:12talk about that? Um like like you know

4:02:14one of those educational kiosks that

4:02:16they have at at some of the um eco parks

4:02:20>> that that was the compromise we tried to

4:02:23write into the resolution. Okay. was to

4:02:25>> I just want to say that

4:02:26>> not accept it as a historic site for the

4:02:29purposes that it was there

4:02:30>> but to then but then to look back at

4:02:33this

4:02:34>> and if you notice this park

4:02:36there's no playground here

4:02:38>> I know

4:02:39>> there's no daycare here right so that's

4:02:43all off on the right hand side there's a

4:02:47culde-sac where a lot of this is you can

4:02:49see the entry sign we've the city has

4:02:52bought up a lot of property propert,

4:02:56to the east, to the north.

4:02:59Similar to like we've done with the yach

4:03:01club. We've bought property to the

4:03:03north. We bought property to make

4:03:05Festival Park. We've bought property to

4:03:06make Lake me,

4:03:10>> right? I just wanted to clarify that for

4:03:12the public so that they they could

4:03:14understand that [clears throat] um this

4:03:17was actually what it looked like

4:03:18originally and we're we're trying to get

4:03:20back to that. Um so, thank you for

4:03:22clarifying. Thank you, mayor.

4:03:24>> And just a reminder, we uh remember we

4:03:26talked about that with the yach club

4:03:28when we were talking about um what we

4:03:30would do we as far as trying to make

4:03:33either a room or an area where there was

4:03:35an educational component there to show

4:03:38what it used to be and the significance

4:03:40of the yach club. So I guess that's very

4:03:42similar um what you're talking about

4:03:45here.

4:03:45>> No, at the yach club we actually

4:03:47designed a history room.

4:03:49>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

4:03:50>> that's going to hold the beams, the

4:03:52model. This one would be uh a sign so

4:03:55that

4:03:56>> when you walk to the the public

4:03:59uh Riverwalk that's planned to be down

4:04:01there, when you go to the new marina or

4:04:03you go to the amphitheater that is

4:04:05planned to be there, you would there

4:04:07somewhere in that area of where this

4:04:10original park would be would be a sign

4:04:12that says, you know, just like when you

4:04:14go to Charleston or Savannah or St.

4:04:16Augustine you don't see the histo what

4:04:20you see is something that says here is

4:04:22where this happened here is what the

4:04:25significance of this location is. It

4:04:27would be something like that.

4:04:28>> Okay. Council member Stikey.

4:04:31>> Uh that conversation handled what I was

4:04:33going to discuss. Thank you.

4:04:34>> Council member Kelling.

4:04:35>> Yeah. I was just going to mention as a

4:04:37result of uh you know it it having the

4:04:39potential to derail uh the whole viminy

4:04:43east I I'd be supporting the resolution

4:04:46to deny and as a trustee of the uh um

4:04:51history museum I'd be happy to bring it

4:04:53forward with them to further discuss

4:04:55your your idea. Thank you. Thank you

4:04:57mayor.

4:04:58>> Okay now the lights on. I'll entertain a

4:05:00motion for resolution 314-26.

4:05:03>> Motion to approve.

4:05:06Second.

4:05:07>> Madam city clerk, I see your light on.

4:05:10>> Yes, your honor. Um, we need to open the

4:05:12public hearing.

4:05:13>> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. All right. Uh,

4:05:16I'll open up the public uh hearing now.

4:05:18Anyone wishing to speak on resolution

4:05:20314-26.

4:05:22Please come forward. We use the podium

4:05:24to my left, your right.

4:05:28>> Seeing none, public hearing is now

4:05:30closed.

4:05:31>> I I'll restate my motion to approve.

4:05:34>> All right. And the second agrees.

4:05:35>> Second agrees.

4:05:36>> All right. Madam city clerk, please call

4:05:37the role.

4:05:38>> Last

4:05:39>> I.

4:05:40>> Leman.

4:05:40>> I.

4:05:41>> Long.

4:05:42>> No.

4:05:43>> Steini.

4:05:44>> I.

4:05:44>> Darnell.

4:05:45>> Hi.

4:05:46>> Gunter.

4:05:47>> I.

4:05:47>> Kaduk.

4:05:48>> No.

4:05:51>> Kilra.

4:05:52>> I.

4:05:53>> That is uh six eyes, two nays. Motion

4:05:56carried.

4:05:57>> Okay. Move on to ordinance 58-26. Madam

4:06:00city clerk, please read title.

4:06:03Ordinance 58-26,

4:06:06an ordinance of the mayor and city

4:06:07council of the city of Cape Coral,

4:06:09Florida, amending city of Cape Coral,

4:06:12Ordinance 46-26,

4:06:14which amended ordinance 18-26,

4:06:17which amended ordinance 3-26, which

4:06:20amended ordinance 50-25, which adopted

4:06:23the city of Cape Coral operating budget,

4:06:25revenues, and expenditures, and capital

4:06:28budget for fiscal year 2026

4:06:30by increasing the total revenues and

4:06:32expenditure measures by a total of

4:06:34$14,588,629

4:06:39providing for severability and an

4:06:41effective date.

4:06:43>> Okay. Thank you. I'll turn it over to

4:06:44staff.

4:06:45>> Thank you. Good evening, mayor, members

4:06:47of council. For the record, Crystal

4:06:49Fees, financial services director. Uh

4:06:51tonight, I'm here to present ordinance

4:06:5358.26, which was um which includes

4:06:56budget amendment number four for fiscal

4:06:58year 26. Um, it was introduced October

4:07:0121st and is before you tonight for

4:07:04public hearing.

4:07:06So, as a reminder, Florida Statute

4:07:09166.2413

4:07:12allows the city to amend its budget at

4:07:14any time during the fiscal year or

4:07:16within 60 days after the fiscal year

4:07:18ends. Um, that 60-day window is why

4:07:21we're here in November. Uh, even though

4:07:23the fiscal year ended in September. Um

4:07:26this is our fourth and final budget

4:07:28amendment for fiscal year 26. It does

4:07:31two things. It will first rec formally

4:07:33recognize the actions taken by council

4:07:36um during July and September or between

4:07:39July and September. And then secondly,

4:07:41it captures um personnel operating and

4:07:44capital adjustments we need to close out

4:07:46the fiscal year.

4:07:50So, this amendment increases um the

4:07:52budget by 14,588,629.

4:07:57That's an increase of less than 1% um

4:08:00over the previously amended budget. It

4:08:03brings the total amended budget to uh

4:08:06just over 1.6 billion. So, looking at

4:08:09the table by fund, uh most of the

4:08:11increase falls in three places. Uh in

4:08:13the general fund, which will go up or

4:08:16goes up 6.2 2 million. The capital

4:08:18project funds go up about 5.8 million

4:08:22and the special special revenue funds

4:08:24increase by 2.7 million.

4:08:29So the amendment is organized into three

4:08:31categories. Uh the first is previously

4:08:33approved city council items totaling 4.2

4:08:36million. Um and that typically um

4:08:40consists of interlocal agreements uh

4:08:43design and construction contracts that

4:08:45were approved but not included in the

4:08:47budget and grant awards. Uh the second

4:08:49is other adjustments totaling 10.4

4:08:52million. Uh this category captures

4:08:54technical uh and operational adjustments

4:08:57identified by staff. Uh this may include

4:09:00revised revenue estimates, capital

4:09:02project reconciliations, budget

4:09:05realignments by expenditure categories,

4:09:07and year and closeout items. And then

4:09:09the third category is personnel changes,

4:09:12which um other than what's included in

4:09:15category number one, um we actually

4:09:18don't have any in this amendment.

4:09:23So this slide shows uh where the 14.6

4:09:26million comes from. Uh I'll keep this

4:09:29brief uh because the next slides do go

4:09:32into uh greater detail on each of these

4:09:35items. Um but the biggest drivers are

4:09:37the 9.2 million in grant proceeds, uh

4:09:404.7 million in miscellaneous revenue and

4:09:43interest earnings, 4.1 million in

4:09:46transfers into capital projects, and 1.9

4:09:49million in um additional public service

4:09:52tax revenue.

4:09:54And the increases, as you can see here,

4:09:56are partially offset by a 6 and a.5

4:09:58million reduction in debt proceeds and a

4:10:01net reduction of about 1.1 million in

4:10:03impact fees.

4:10:07All right. So, um the next few slides,

4:10:10as I mentioned, provide you with some

4:10:12more information, greater detail on each

4:10:14of those categories. So, starting with

4:10:16service charges, uh we're increasing

4:10:19internal service charges by 400,000

4:10:22um to cover additional maintenance

4:10:24provided by our property management

4:10:26division uh or fund um and they provide

4:10:30that service to other city departments.

4:10:32Um because it's an internal service

4:10:34fund, it's paid for by charges uh to the

4:10:37departments that receive the service.

4:10:41Next is debt. And I had some cute little

4:10:44um icons on each of these, but they're

4:10:46not showing up. So, um we're

4:10:49[clears throat] reducing the debt needed

4:10:51for North One East reclaimed water

4:10:53project by six and a half million. Uh we

4:10:55can do this because council accepted a

4:10:57$6.5 million grant from the alternative

4:11:00water supply funding program. Um and

4:11:03those dollars are uh those grant dollars

4:11:06are replacing borrowed dollars, uh which

4:11:09means less debt toward the project.

4:11:13Next are grants which total 9.2 million

4:11:16in this amendment. Um almost 63% of the

4:11:20total increase. Uh here all of the

4:11:22grants um that were accepted by council

4:11:25last quarter are listed here. Um

4:11:28accepting these grants means increasing

4:11:31uh the budget by the grant amounts and

4:11:32then offsetting those with corresponding

4:11:35increases and expenditures. So, these

4:11:37are all of the grants that were approved

4:11:40um between July and au uh September of

4:11:43last year.

4:11:47So, this slide covers uh three other

4:11:49revenue adjustments. First, we recognize

4:11:51about 511,000 in additional fines and

4:11:54forfeertures. [snorts] Um, which consist

4:11:56of 281,000 in state forfeite funds and

4:12:00230,000

4:12:02in code compliance fines uh from local

4:12:04ordinance violations which go toward

4:12:07construction and debris cleanup. Um,

4:12:10second, we have impact fees. Uh as you

4:12:12recall during the fiscal year uh 2026 we

4:12:15moved from road impact fees to

4:12:17multimodal

4:12:19um impact fees. Uh so we're adjusting

4:12:22the budget to account for that change uh

4:12:24and align the budget with actual results

4:12:26of fiscal year 26.

4:12:30And then um third we received about 1.9

4:12:33million more in public service tax

4:12:34revenue than budgeted. So we're applying

4:12:36it to two areas. Uh about 1.2 2 million

4:12:40for police overtime and about 655,000

4:12:43for the court's uh rocket center.

4:12:47Next is use of fund balance which is

4:12:49fairly limited in this budget amendment.

4:12:52Uh in the general fund, we're using

4:12:5497,000

4:12:55uh from the committed economic

4:12:57development reserve for uh an incentive

4:12:59to Bones Brands LLC which was approved

4:13:02by council under resolution 38525.

4:13:06Uh and then in the special revenue

4:13:08funds, we're using about 1.4 million of

4:13:10fund balance um to cover four items, the

4:13:13four items listed here. Uh police over

4:13:17officer vehicles approved by resolution

4:13:20310-25,

4:13:22300,000 for project management on the

4:13:25EOCC building, 300,000 to make up for

4:13:27lower impact fee revenue, um and about

4:13:31670,000 for golf course capital

4:13:33projects. Moving

4:13:37to miscellaneous revenue, there are four

4:13:39items here. Uh first, $100,000

4:13:43uh reimbursement through our storm water

4:13:47partnership with coastal and heartland

4:13:49national estu estuary partnership for

4:13:53services supporting a comprehensive con

4:13:56conservation and management plan. Uh

4:13:58second, we're recognizing about 4.6

4:14:00million in interest earnings. 2.3

4:14:03million of that goes to the Santa

4:14:05Barbara building parking lot

4:14:06improvements

4:14:09um which council approved by ordinance

4:14:1044-26

4:14:12and resolution 170-26

4:14:15uh the other 2.3 million covers fire and

4:14:17police overtime for the fiscal year. So

4:14:21um incorporating this 4.6 6 million of

4:14:24interest earnings in BA4 along with uh

4:14:26the previous budget amendments where we

4:14:28recognized other interest earnings and

4:14:30what was in the original budget. We've

4:14:33actually recognized all of the interest

4:14:35earned uh in the general fund for fiscal

4:14:37year 26.

4:14:41Third, um about 49,000 in CDBG and SHIP

4:14:45funds that were recaptured for from the

4:14:47sale of properties within the program.

4:14:50And finally, we're recognizing a 10,000

4:14:53in opioid settlement funds received uh

4:14:56through the Florida opioid allocation

4:14:58and statewide response agreement.

4:15:03Next, we have transfers between funds uh

4:15:05and these move money from the fund where

4:15:08uh funds were collected to the fund

4:15:11where it's spent. So, we have transfers

4:15:14and capital projects totaling 4.1

4:15:16million. And we have all the projects

4:15:18that those funded listed here to your

4:15:21right, I'm sorry, to your left.

4:15:23Transfers into debt service go down by

4:15:26661,000

4:15:28and include adjustments to principal and

4:15:30interest payments for the items listed

4:15:32here. transfers into the general fund

4:15:35were adjusted by 70,000 to account for

4:15:37expenditures of um public service aids

4:15:42um that were um working on the speed

4:15:45zone enforcement program. They were

4:15:47charged directly to that speed uh school

4:15:49speed zone fund instead of the general

4:15:51fund. And then we have transfers into

4:15:54special revenue funds totaling 656,000.

4:15:58Most of that um was from the general

4:16:01fund for the courts plus $2,000 grant

4:16:03match for emergency management which was

4:16:06from the all hazards fund.

4:16:09All right. And finally we have

4:16:11personnel. Uh so this amendment adds

4:16:13seven positions totaling 287,000

4:16:17all in public safety. [snorts] So we

4:16:20have one uh grant-f funded civilian

4:16:22investigator totaling 85,000.

4:16:25uh five grant-f funded or partially

4:16:27grant-f funded police officers totaling

4:16:30118,000

4:16:32and one licensing investigator funded by

4:16:35the unlicensed contractor program. So

4:16:38none of these are new job

4:16:39classifications and each one has a

4:16:41dedicated funding source either grant or

4:16:43a program revenue. Um so with these

4:16:45additions the city's full-time equ uh

4:16:48equivalent goes from 2440.26

4:16:52to 2447.26.

4:16:5526 as of the end of last fiscal year.

4:16:59And so with that, staff recommends

4:17:01approval of ordinance 5826. And I'm

4:17:04happy to answer any questions.

4:17:06>> Okay. Thank you. I'll now open up public

4:17:08hearing. Anyone wishing to speak on

4:17:09ordinance 58-26. Please come forward.

4:17:12Use the podium to my left, your right.

4:17:19>> Hi, Tom Shadrach. I kind of sent uh some

4:17:22of my questions to you guys in emails,

4:17:24but uh the big one is, you know, the

4:17:27financial policies that you guys

4:17:29implemented for fiscal year 27.

4:17:32Um and then the staffing cuts that you

4:17:35you you eliminated because they weren't

4:17:38filled. They were longhard held jobs.

4:17:41That should be recognized in FY26, too,

4:17:45because the financial policies a they go

4:17:48all the way back to the beginning of

4:17:50uh September of last year. So, you made

4:17:54it retroactive. So, we should see all

4:17:57that savings uh from personnel for this

4:18:01entire fiscal year. And I didn't see

4:18:02that in here. And plus, you changed some

4:18:05of the holdbacks from some of the

4:18:06reserves. You lessened them for FY27.

4:18:09So, as I said, the financial policies go

4:18:11all the way back to a year ago. So where

4:18:14I didn't see that in here uh showing

4:18:17that we had all those savings from the

4:18:19personnel that we cut u and so and I was

4:18:23curious then why we would need to pay

4:18:26for overtime budgeted if you had it's

4:18:28all personnel big pot of money why that

4:18:31wouldn't be why would you use the

4:18:34interest revenue to fund overtime

4:18:37expenses over and above uh when you

4:18:40probably have all kinds of savings in

4:18:42personnel cost. So, I didn't see that in

4:18:45here because you guys did remove a lot

4:18:47of positions to make the FY27 budget

4:18:51balance. To me, that should have be see

4:18:54this in this amendment for FY26, right?

4:18:57>> And I don't see that clearly. Um, and

4:18:59the other question I had was I don't

4:19:02think we've ever seen what we're doing

4:19:04with the Heritage School building. I

4:19:06know we're moving people in there. We

4:19:07bought those buildings. We're spending a

4:19:10lot of money to enhance the with the

4:19:12land, the parking lot, but what's the

4:19:14project costing? I don't think we've

4:19:16ever seen a briefing or I looked at the

4:19:19projects list and I don't see that in

4:19:21there in public works on what we're

4:19:23doing to change that building or what

4:19:25we're spending, but we've kind of put a

4:19:28lot of money into that already. So

4:19:31curious uh but really the big thing is

4:19:34implementing the financial policies that

4:19:37that are retroactive and where's the

4:19:40personnel that you guys cut reflected in

4:19:43this amendment which is the completion

4:19:45of fiscal year 26 should have should

4:19:48have a lot of savings because I know at

4:19:50one time we were missing a lot of

4:19:53personnel hadn't replaced like over a

4:19:55hundred so there should be some savings

4:19:57that would have compensated for paying

4:19:59for overtime. time. It's kind of crazy.

4:20:01I thought we actually added more

4:20:02[clears throat] policemen so we wouldn't

4:20:04have so much overtime. And I see there's

4:20:06$5 million in overtime for the police.

4:20:09Curious about that, too. Okay. Thank

4:20:11you.

4:20:12Anyone else wishing to speak during

4:20:15public input

4:20:17or I'm sorry, the public hearing?

4:20:20Seeing none, public hearing is now

4:20:22closed. Is there a motion regarding

4:20:24ordinance 58-26?

4:20:26>> Motion to approve.

4:20:27>> Second. Uh, Council Member Kaduk.

4:20:30>> Thank you, Mayor. So, I did ask uh for

4:20:34the overtime by department and we got

4:20:36that email from Mr. Mason today. I had a

4:20:38question regarding I think it's your

4:20:41slide 11.

4:20:48Fire and police overtime incurred during

4:20:49the fiscal year 2.3. So you're just

4:20:51bringing in 2.3 in interest earnings for

4:20:54that specific

4:20:56because it's like over $7 million for

4:20:59police and fire total from the chart

4:21:00that Mark sent earlier today.

4:21:04Right. So this was um what was what

4:21:06exceeded the budget we're covering with

4:21:08interest earnings. Now for police um a

4:21:10portion was covered also by um the

4:21:13additional PST revenue that we received.

4:21:15And then for fire um they had some

4:21:17interest earnings in their fund um that

4:21:20covered some of their overtime too. So

4:21:22it was a combination but yes this is

4:21:24just the portion that was in excess of

4:21:27um the budget and what wasn't covered by

4:21:29maybe other personnel um costs within

4:21:32that category already.

4:21:34>> Thank you.

4:21:34>> So some of those savings that were

4:21:35referred to could have already covered

4:21:37some of it. This was just what wasn't

4:21:39covered.

4:21:40>> Thank you. And the speaker mentioned

4:21:43being retroactive

4:21:45for the financial policy update. Is that

4:21:48correct?

4:21:49>> Um so the changes that we made were um

4:21:52retroactive to fiscal year applied to

4:21:54fiscal year 26. Um but you got to

4:21:56remember as far as timing goes, this is

4:21:58BA4. So we're already past, you know,

4:22:01fiscal year 26 and we're trying to um

4:22:04close out the year. And so some of that

4:22:07really you couldn't really apply because

4:22:09we're already done with the fiscal year,

4:22:10but we've definitely applied those

4:22:12moving forward to fiscal year 27 as

4:22:14you've seen through the budget process.

4:22:16>> Thank you. Thank you for the

4:22:17explanation.

4:22:19>> Okay. See no other lights.

4:22:21>> I got one council

4:22:23>> just on slide um 13 when you referenced

4:22:25the the grant funded positions the um

4:22:29the 118 that's spread amongst five

4:22:31police officers together. Correct.

4:22:33>> Yes. And then what I mean that's a

4:22:36onetime grant. Is that also correct?

4:22:38>> This one is a three-year grant. Um and

4:22:41so the portion that is being applied as

4:22:44part of this budget amendment is only

4:22:46the portion applied to fiscal year 26.

4:22:48>> And then what fund would would fill

4:22:50these when those grants um go away?

4:22:53>> General fund.

4:22:54>> Okay. So I guess that's just my my

4:22:56comment is we've had discussions about

4:22:58the general fund. were apparently scared

4:22:59to death of the general fund in

4:23:01amendment three and we decided to some

4:23:04extent non-essential personnel or

4:23:06however we phrased it hiring freezes and

4:23:07we remove positions. There's a second

4:23:09budget amendment after that decision

4:23:11that we've made that we've added

4:23:13positions that are going to be tacked on

4:23:16to the general fund in perpetuity

4:23:19because we've got a one-time grant. In

4:23:20this case, we've got three years. We

4:23:22just did it with I think they were the

4:23:23late and print examiners uh last budget

4:23:25amendment. So, just making council aware

4:23:28that, you know, it's we say one thing,

4:23:30but we do another. Um, and I I guess the

4:23:32rebuttal would be non-essential was the

4:23:35designation, but the clarification still

4:23:38doesn't

4:23:39answer the question that if we're we're

4:23:41so scared of of amendment three that

4:23:44that we're we're parading all of these

4:23:46solutions about removing all these

4:23:48things that we're still continuing out

4:23:50of the other sides of our mouth to add

4:23:51more obligations to the general fund.

4:23:53It's my concern. Thank you.

4:23:56Okay. See all the lights on. We have a

4:23:57motion to second on the floor. Madam

4:23:59city clerk, please call the role.

4:24:01>> Last.

4:24:02>> No.

4:24:04>> Leman.

4:24:05>> No.

4:24:06>> Long.

4:24:07>> No.

4:24:08>> Stanky.

4:24:09>> I

4:24:11>> Dell.

4:24:11>> Hi.

4:24:12>> Gunter.

4:24:13>> I.

4:24:14>> Kaduk.

4:24:15>> I.

4:24:16>> Kilra rain.

4:24:17>> I.

4:24:18>> Five eyes, three nays. Motion carried.

4:24:21>> Okay. Move on to item 14 C is

4:24:23introductions. Uh, first of which is

4:24:25ordinance 64-26.

4:24:29Madame city clerk, please read the title

4:24:31and set the public hearing dates.

4:24:36Ordinance 64-26,

4:24:39an ordinance of the mayor and city

4:24:41council of the city of Cape Coral,

4:24:42Florida, approving the ranking for

4:24:45proposal number RPW2664

4:24:49KMR for solid waste, recyclables,

4:24:52horiculture, and bulk franchise

4:24:54collection services. Awarding request

4:24:57for proposal number RPW2664

4:25:00KMR to FCC Environmental Services

4:25:04Florida LLC. Approving the exclusive

4:25:07franchise agreement number RPW2664

4:25:10KMR to FC C environmental services

4:25:15Florida LLC for solid waste recyclables

4:25:19horiculture and bulk franchise

4:25:22collection services and further

4:25:23authorizing the city manager or their

4:25:25designate to execute the exclusive

4:25:27franchise agreement in any related

4:25:29documents providing for severability and

4:25:32an effective date. The public hearing

4:25:34will be November 18th, 2026.

4:25:39>> Okay. Thank you. Uh any discussion by

4:25:41staff or council? Council member

4:25:44Kelling.

4:25:45>> Yeah. Uh just one point on this. This

4:25:47does not include the transfer station.

4:25:50And I'd like to emphasize that uh to the

4:25:53extent that uh

4:25:57we we often have comments in in social

4:26:00media and other things about uh facts

4:26:02and truth and uh people wanting to

4:26:06profess things on truth. And I just want

4:26:08to bring out here that under no under

4:26:11circumstance

4:26:13uh and it was clearly decided in our

4:26:16last meeting that the transfer station

4:26:18was not going to be included with any

4:26:21award of this contract. Uh and again

4:26:24we've had misinformation

4:26:27that is not helpful to the residents or

4:26:29the city in advancing things uh based on

4:26:34just uh the attempt to raise eye at what

4:26:39we're doing when it's not true. And I

4:26:41just want to bring that point out. Uh

4:26:43it's it it's uh really

4:26:47this

4:26:50a negative factor against residents and

4:26:53council when we color things uh in that

4:26:57manner. So thank you mayor.

4:27:00>> Okay. Council member Leman.

4:27:02>> Yeah. Uh

4:27:05Mr. Mason still here.

4:27:08>> There you are.

4:27:08>> Just pop right up right on the Yeah,

4:27:10here I am. Mark Mason.

4:27:13>> You knew you were going to hear from me.

4:27:15Um, with going to FCC and all the

4:27:19numbers we've been given, they are the

4:27:22cost is less than WastePro or Coastal.

4:27:27Um, do we have can you give us any

4:27:31paperwork on or any ideas on the cost to

4:27:34the residents?

4:27:36>> Is it going to be a reduced cost to the

4:27:39residents?

4:27:42uh the no

4:27:44it it compared to the existing contract

4:27:47no

4:27:49>> so there'll be no change but it won't go

4:27:51up

4:27:51>> but as far as the assessment is

4:27:54concerned as we develop the assessment

4:27:56for next year there's a good possibility

4:27:58the assessment will be less than what it

4:28:00is today

4:28:01>> okay

4:28:03I I basically wanted to bring that out

4:28:06so that residents understand

4:28:09the difference, you know, with going to

4:28:13a different company.

4:28:15>> Thank you.

4:28:15>> You're welcome,

4:28:16>> Council Member Kaduk.

4:28:17>> Thank you, Mayor. I sent a series of

4:28:19questions on all different topics and I

4:28:22would implore you all, please open your

4:28:24email and check. I sent solid waste

4:28:27questions and for any of the public

4:28:28that's listening, do a public records

4:28:30request or ask me and I will forward you

4:28:31this email. Mr. Mr. Mason responded and

4:28:33for your question council member Leman I

4:28:35said going to the solid waste

4:28:36non-adalorm assessments for fiscal year

4:28:382027 what is a preliminary and parallel

4:28:41set of numbers using the FCC proposed

4:28:42contract for fiscal year 28 and Mark

4:28:46Mason copied and pasted the same number

4:28:49that we've been using. So I really hope

4:28:52you guys read the emails for the

4:28:53questions that I've been asking and I

4:28:56just sent you all the uh current Waste

4:28:58Pro dump site. So thank you Council

4:29:03member Leman,

4:29:04>> I'm sorry. I have one more question. Um,

4:29:10okay. I went brain dead all of a sudden.

4:29:12I'm sorry. Um, oh, I've had residents

4:29:15ask me, "All right, where is

4:29:20FCC going to be working out of? Do they

4:29:25have an office

4:29:28in or a someplace in Cape Coral? I

4:29:34realize it's not going to be a transfer

4:29:36station. That's not going to be there.

4:29:38But the trucks have to come out of

4:29:40somewhere. Where are the trucks coming

4:29:43from?

4:29:43>> At this point, as I understand it,

4:29:45they're looking to lease space uh in uh

4:29:48the Fort Meyers area.

4:29:50>> Okay. where there is sufficient uh

4:29:52industrial space for them to to lease uh

4:29:55for this size of uh organiz for this

4:29:58size of operation.

4:29:59>> Thank you. That's all, Mr. Mayor.

4:30:02>> Okay. Thank [snorts] you. We'll move on

4:30:03to item 15, reports. Uh council member

4:30:06last report.

4:30:08>> No report. Mayor,

4:30:10>> uh council member Leman.

4:30:12>> Yeah. The only thing I want to bring out

4:30:14is I went to the CRA conference,

4:30:19uh, the three-day conference.

4:30:21>> Turn your mic on, please.

4:30:22>> I'm sorry.

4:30:23>> I'm sorry. Learned an awful lot. Um, a

4:30:27lot of statutes, a lot of the different

4:30:30information and whatnot. A lot of things

4:30:33that I'll be honest with you, I was

4:30:35never aware of. Um, now I am. Thank you.

4:30:39That's it.

4:30:41Uh, Council Member Long, no report.

4:30:43>> Council member Stanky.

4:30:45>> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, on the uh on the

4:30:4830th, I attended the Yellow Fever Creek

4:30:50uh ribbon cutting and opening. It was a

4:30:52great day. The the day was beautiful.

4:30:54The park was beautiful, and uh again,

4:30:56staff had it well prepared uh and was

4:30:59proud to participate in that and see

4:31:00that come to fruition. Um uh this will

4:31:04be uh probably my last uh report. Uh so

4:31:07uh upcoming uh uh I'm still representing

4:31:10the city uh through the 18th uh with TDC

4:31:15uh and of course TDC as a uh as an

4:31:18offshoot of uh VCB. Uh the VCB annual

4:31:21meeting is uh on the 10th uh and our

4:31:23last my last TDC meeting uh will be on

4:31:27the 12th. Uh you know I'm just happy and

4:31:30proud to report uh all the positive

4:31:33things that have happened in the city

4:31:34over the last four years. Um this city

4:31:37had wanted forever for uh safe passage

4:31:40and and quick passage uh through the

4:31:42Chakita um lock area. Uh many asked for

4:31:46it. Uh we were able to deliver that to

4:31:48the city. Um the golf course was always

4:31:51a concern. Uh we were able to uh to to

4:31:54uh get the golf course back uh as a as a

4:31:57city property. Uh the revitalization of

4:32:00the CRA has been fabulous. the um uh the

4:32:04Pine Island corridor and the infusion of

4:32:06of businesses there. Um the promise of

4:32:10the Grove uh out to the west, Seven

4:32:12Islands coming to fruition. Uh it's it's

4:32:15been great to see the the city grow as

4:32:17it has. And I hope that uh uh new

4:32:19council will will continue that effort

4:32:21and continue the growth that we've got

4:32:23because that's always the it's always

4:32:25the question. Are we going to grow or

4:32:26are we going to uh stay the same? And to

4:32:28some degree, as if we were to stay the

4:32:29same, we'll go backwards. Um uh and so

4:32:33I'm I'm anxious to see uh what happens

4:32:35over the next four years and really

4:32:36happy I got the opportunity to

4:32:38participate uh here over the last four.

4:32:40Thank you.

4:32:41>> Uh Council Member Dell.

4:32:43>> Yeah, I just kind of tag on to that. I

4:32:45um just wanted to say to because this is

4:32:47it. The next meeting will be for the new

4:32:50council. So I guess being an old man up

4:32:52here, I just wanted to say to you

4:32:53gentlemen um thank you. This goes out to

4:32:56Councilman Long, Mayor Couni. Thank you

4:32:59for what you gentlemen provided as

4:33:01leadership for the city. It's

4:33:03interesting just on a real conservative

4:33:05number. You know, I like data. I

4:33:07calculated to be somewhere about 1500

4:33:09votes just in the time I've been with

4:33:11you, but it's interesting how over 15

4:33:14that's conservative over the two years.

4:33:17It It's interesting how it gets narrowed

4:33:19down to a handful. So when you look at

4:33:22the totality, you you gentlemen have

4:33:24served us very very well and I just

4:33:26appreciate it on behalf of myself and

4:33:29trust me there are people out there in

4:33:30the city that recognize it. So thank

4:33:32you. Godspeed to you and enjoy. Now as

4:33:35far as um for us Veterans Day, all you

4:33:38veterans out there, thank you for all

4:33:40your service. We have our Veterans Day

4:33:42uh parade on Saturday. Want to see you

4:33:44there all all garbed out in your red,

4:33:46white, and blue. So and that's all.

4:33:48>> Thank you, Council Member Kaduk. Thank

4:33:51you, mayor.

4:33:53I

4:33:54got to see Yellow Fever Creek on Monday,

4:33:56October 26 with our city manager. It was

4:34:00a great uh one-on-one in our park that

4:34:03wasn't finished that he got finished by

4:34:05Friday. So, thank you for that. Uh thank

4:34:08you for actually getting the park open,

4:34:09too. I know my residents are very, very

4:34:11happy about it. So, I also want to thank

4:34:14the four of you and I wish you well in

4:34:17your election tomorrow. But the four of

4:34:19you, it has been an honor to serve with

4:34:21all of you and I just love that we're

4:34:23all very different in all different ways

4:34:25and it's definitely been a highlight in

4:34:27my life. So, thank you all. Thank you

4:34:29for all your wisdom, your knowledge, uh

4:34:32your guidance, and we can agree to

4:34:34disagree on lots of items and still be

4:34:36completely professional. With that being

4:34:38said, I would like to make a motion to

4:34:40direct staff to prepare the next

4:34:42committee of the whole meeting for the

4:34:43inclusion of the all five as nonassessed

4:34:47and all numbers thereof.

4:34:49>> I'll second it.

4:34:50>> Thank you.

4:34:53>> Motion.

4:34:54>> Motion to direct staff to prepare the

4:34:56next committee of the whole meeting for

4:34:57the inclusion of the alt 5 design

4:34:59roadway with nonassessed fees and all

4:35:03numbers thereof.

4:35:05Okay. Any discussion with that?

4:35:11>> Uh, was it Yeah, it was seconded by

4:35:15>> All right. By council member Ler, I

4:35:18guess for me, um, when you hear the

4:35:21motion, it's for me. It's too specific

4:35:24because you're only giving them the new

4:35:26council one alternative. I think we

4:35:31should be bringing all the alternatives.

4:35:33>> Right. Well, and I

4:35:34>> you said all five

4:35:36>> with as a nonassessed fee. So, and I

4:35:38thought I had assumed in my head that

4:35:41staff would then present multiple

4:35:42options like they gave us the three, but

4:35:44I want to see all five as a non-assessed

4:35:47cost and then the numbers of the two

4:35:50sides thereof put into one as as a

4:35:54picture.

4:35:55>> So, is your motion because the way I

4:35:57took your motion wasn't that broad.

4:35:59>> We can make it broader. I just wanted to

4:36:01make sure that that specific one was

4:36:03there.

4:36:03>> I mean, I have no problem with that, but

4:36:04I think they should be bringing them all

4:36:06the information.

4:36:07>> Second

4:36:08>> and and you should uh

4:36:12>> for

4:36:12>> Yes, a broader one. All the numbers, but

4:36:14I want to make sure that we can see all

4:36:16five with non assessed. That is one that

4:36:17I would like to see. You can bring other

4:36:19options and a whole rainbow of a

4:36:21plethora, please.

4:36:22>> All right. I can support that.

4:36:23>> Thank you.

4:36:25>> Uh any other discussion on that?

4:36:30All right. Seeing none, madam city

4:36:32clerk, please call the role. And did you

4:36:33pick a date?

4:36:34>> I said whatever our next committee of

4:36:36the whole meeting is because it would

4:36:37have to be voted on by the new council.

4:36:39>> But the first next meeting committee of

4:36:41the whole.

4:36:42>> All right.

4:36:44>> Last

4:36:46Leman.

4:36:47>> Hi.

4:36:48>> Long.

4:36:49>> I

4:36:51>> Dell.

4:36:52>> Hi.

4:36:52>> Gunter.

4:36:53>> Hi.

4:36:55>> Kaduk.

4:36:55>> I

4:36:56>> Rain.

4:36:57>> Hi. Seven eyes. Motion carried.

4:37:01>> That was all. Thank you.

4:37:02>> All right. Council member Kil Ring

4:37:04report.

4:37:04>> Yeah. Uh on 1016, I attended the MO. Uh

4:37:08attended three days of the FRA uh uh

4:37:12program up in Puna, Gorda. Uh and also

4:37:16made the EDO awards for a brief period

4:37:18on 1023.

4:37:20uh 10:28 I had the opportunity and honor

4:37:24for uh attending the Crystal River

4:37:27alternative water supply grant uh where

4:37:30we received the $4 million. Um 1029 met

4:37:34with some uh people from Lee Health uh

4:37:37just talking about some of their

4:37:39additional strategy and plans for

4:37:41expansion in the Cape and 10:30 had the

4:37:45opportunity to present uh in uh because

4:37:49uh Councilman Loster had been in surgery

4:37:53uh affordable housing zoom meeting in

4:37:55region 4 and uh mayor

4:37:59uh Mr. Stany,

4:38:03Mr. Along, I I certainly appreciate

4:38:05being up here with you guys. I learned a

4:38:08hell of a lot in working with you. I

4:38:11respect you tremendously for what you

4:38:14have done for this city. in the long

4:38:17run, I I think you've contributed great

4:38:20great deal and uh you certainly you're a

4:38:24peck of gold in doing so and uh I

4:38:27understand what that's all about too and

4:38:30and uh thank you for being there and and

4:38:32best of luck and thank you for all that

4:38:34you've taught me. I appreciate it. Thank

4:38:36you.

4:38:37>> Thank you.

4:38:39>> Okay. Uh for me, uh you know, I've had

4:38:42the privilege of sitting here for nine

4:38:43years. Um and, uh it was a privilege and

4:38:47an honor. Uh along the way, I served

4:38:49with uh many council members, uh many

4:38:52city managers. Um and uh you know, one

4:38:56of the things I always tried to do is to

4:38:59try to make uh the city of Cape Coral

4:39:01better for tomorrow than it was today.

4:39:04And uh you know, that was what my goal

4:39:06was. I think that we've achieved that

4:39:08over the years. There's some things that

4:39:10we could have probably done better or

4:39:12done differently. Uh but I think that no

4:39:14matter who sits in these chairs, the

4:39:17best interest is for the residents and

4:39:20the betterment of our community. And uh

4:39:22for me, I tried to do that over the last

4:39:24nine years. I enjoyed working uh with

4:39:27staff. uh they were always uh uh helpful

4:39:32uh once you learned how to actually

4:39:34specifically ask the questions and they

4:39:36were even more helpful. Uh but you learn

4:39:38that over time. Um but uh all jokes

4:39:42aside, they they were always there to

4:39:44help us. Uh so I want to thank uh staff

4:39:48uh and uh the new council coming in, no

4:39:51matter who it is, we'll know that

4:39:52tomorrow evening by this time probably.

4:39:55Um, I want to wish them well and uh and

4:39:59uh I uh I hope uh that the citizens of

4:40:03Cape Coral uh get what they're looking

4:40:04for. So, uh I wish them all the all the

4:40:08uh all the luck. All right. Uh one last

4:40:11thing, uh as we all know, just uh like I

4:40:14had just mentioned, you know, sometimes

4:40:15it's uh time for um some good things to

4:40:20come to an end. And uh and you know I

4:40:24know with us you know leaving uh some

4:40:27will say that some will not. Uh but with

4:40:30that being said uh you know the

4:40:33community I think has uh has articulated

4:40:37through this election process what

4:40:39they're looking for. Uh, with that being

4:40:42said, uh, I'd like to pass the gavl,

4:40:45make a motion, uh, to terminate the city

4:40:48manager's contract without cause

4:40:50effective 11:59 tonight.

4:40:54>> Second

4:40:59>> any

4:41:00second.

4:41:03>> Could the motion be uh, restated,

4:41:05please?

4:41:10I have there is a motion by Mayor Gunter

4:41:13to terminate the city manager's contract

4:41:16at 11:59

4:41:18>> without cause at 11:59 this evening

4:41:23>> and seconded by council member Kra.

4:41:26>> Yes.

4:41:27>> Any discussion?

4:41:35>> Council member Kaduk.

4:41:37>> Yeah. Um, thank you. Why you say without

4:41:41cause, but why?

4:41:45>> Are you asking me?

4:41:47>> Just like I said, uh, originally uh, you

4:41:49know, through the election process, uh,

4:41:51I think, uh, residents have spoken and

4:41:54that's why I made the motion.

4:41:56>> Okay.

4:42:02>> Council member Long.

4:42:04>> Yeah. What What the hell, guys? What are

4:42:05we doing here? Um, can you, Mr. Madam

4:42:08City Cler, can you remind me uh who the

4:42:10second was?

4:42:11>> Kil Rain

4:42:14might have believed then uh council

4:42:16member Kilra that that you're in

4:42:17agreement with the motion on the floor

4:42:18as to the merits or did you second that

4:42:20for discussion?

4:42:22>> Secondary for discussion and the merits.

4:42:27>> You guys, this isn't [clears throat] how

4:42:29we should be doing business in the last

4:42:33material meeting of this term. Um

4:42:35whether I agree with it or not, I I I

4:42:37certainly think at the very least this

4:42:39is something the next council could take

4:42:41up. Again, that doesn't necessarily mean

4:42:44I'm for or against the motion, but last

4:42:46minute at the s end of the night at

4:42:488:45. Um

4:42:51I I can't I I I guess we have to vote on

4:42:55it, but I just can't believe that that's

4:42:56where we're at, especially with no

4:42:57discussion. And that's all. Thank you.

4:43:04I don't see any other lights on. I'll

4:43:06I'll take the opportunity to speak. Um,

4:43:09you know, uh, this, uh, role that I've

4:43:13served in for four years. Uh, I've

4:43:17recognized, uh, requires a tremendous

4:43:19amount of teamwork.

4:43:21Um it requires a common goal uh a common

4:43:25strategic plan that all are behind uh

4:43:28and and coordination uh between

4:43:32governance uh and with implementation

4:43:36which requires staff

4:43:39um uh with tremendous amounts of

4:43:43controversy around a variety of um

4:43:45issues. Uh, I've witnessed uh the city

4:43:49manager uh take the fall or at least uh

4:43:54attempts to be run under the bus on on

4:43:58many things that were um in many cases

4:44:02based on uh misinformation. Um

4:44:07uh manufactured information.

4:44:09Uh and uh there's been tremendous

4:44:13discussions around lack of trust uh lack

4:44:16of confidence

4:44:18um uh and the defense uh for the city

4:44:22manager has not always been there. Uh

4:44:25and the teamwork that's required between

4:44:27governance and uh and implementation

4:44:31required by staff requires the

4:44:33confidence of staff in their leader

4:44:36which in this case is the city manager.

4:44:39Um and uh with uh certainly none of us

4:44:43are none of us are deaf to uh campaign

4:44:48promises, campaign discussions uh and

4:44:51what uh and you know what uh could come

4:44:55as a result of of the elections

4:44:57tomorrow. Um, so, uh, I, uh, while I,

4:45:03I'm I'm I'm sad to see it happen, I've

4:45:06noticed a, um, uh, tremendous amount of

4:45:10stress exhibited by our our city manager

4:45:14um, in an effort to try to u please as

4:45:17many people as often as possible. Uh,

4:45:20and it it it doesn't seem to ring true

4:45:22to the citizens. uh for whatever reason

4:45:25uh the uh the type of feedback that we

4:45:28get during citizens input that's what

4:45:29it's supposed to be input. We're

4:45:31supposed to uh listen to what's

4:45:33happening. And so um what I've listened

4:45:38uh to not only uh the citizens but also

4:45:40to incoming uh council whomever it would

4:45:44be um we didn't hear any real great

4:45:47support out of any of the candidates

4:45:48that are running. Um

4:45:51uh so u I I will speak in favor of the

4:45:55motion I'll be supporting.

4:45:58>> Yes.

4:46:04>> Council member Kadu.

4:46:05>> Thank you. I will not be supporting

4:46:07because this absolutely should be up to

4:46:08the next council. Uh making a motion in

4:46:12the late latest hour. It really is up to

4:46:15the next council. It really should be.

4:46:18This is your very last meeting on the

4:46:20very last minute. And if the new council

4:46:22with the majority wants to then execute

4:46:24the right to end his contract with no

4:46:27cause, so be it. However, we're not

4:46:29there yet.

4:46:31And what I heard council member Stany

4:46:33saying was, "Oh, he's taken a lot of

4:46:34heat. That's why he gets paid the big

4:46:36bucks. That's why he's running a city of

4:46:38this size. He gets handsomely paid to

4:46:41take the big bucks and to stand in the

4:46:43fire. And we put it out as much as we

4:46:45can. I will not be supporting this.

4:46:47We're not going to leave the city high

4:46:49and dry. He's the most educated person

4:46:51in the city. And if he thinks he's just

4:46:53going to go across the bridge to Fort

4:46:54Myers to take their job, they will march

4:46:56across the bridge and bother you there.

4:46:58So, I'm not supporting that this

4:47:00evening. We will let it be with the new

4:47:02council as it should be. Thank you,

4:47:06>> Council Member Donnell.

4:47:10>> I hear you. Council member law

4:47:14>> need Jesus.

4:47:20>> Is that it?

4:47:21>> No, I am just trying to get my thoughts

4:47:24right. Um,

4:47:27I get it. This is not my first time at

4:47:29the rodeo.

4:47:33So, I've been down this road before

4:47:36and

4:47:39the new council until you sit in these

4:47:42seats and work with them respectfully,

4:47:44they that's going to fall on us.

4:47:46Something of this magnitude in my

4:47:48opinion. Um,

4:47:50just going to

4:47:53what's best for this is one of those

4:47:54things what's best for the city, but

4:47:56some points you got to look at each one

4:47:57of us and what's best for the individual

4:47:59and the family.

4:48:01Um, and it make I've been a make no

4:48:04bones about it. Everybody knows I love

4:48:06our city manager. The amount of educ his

4:48:10just expertise and what he's done and

4:48:14the trickle down effect for how his

4:48:15department heads respect him. We will be

4:48:18left high and dry, but the big wheel

4:48:21keeps turning.

4:48:23So, city manager, I you know, I I didn't

4:48:26even sleep because I knew this day was

4:48:29coming and I was afraid it was going to

4:48:31come today. So, now it explains why I

4:48:33couldn't sleep. But, um I do agree with

4:48:36the u what's having done this before and

4:48:39so we definitely don't put this on a new

4:48:41council and that becomes just a circus.

4:48:43I will be supporting it as heavy-harted

4:48:46as it is for me. That's all.

4:48:50>> Council member Layman.

4:48:52>> Yeah. Um,

4:48:55I'm sorry, but I cannot support that

4:48:58because first of all, I don't want to

4:49:00see the city left high and dry. Number

4:49:02one. Number two, I think it's something

4:49:05that the new council needs to decide.

4:49:10We're talking

4:49:128:48

4:49:14the day before election. I I don't think

4:49:16we can do that.

4:49:21Council member Long.

4:49:22>> Yeah. [clears throat]

4:49:25Um,

4:49:29>> this stinks to high hell. Um, Mr. City

4:49:32Attorney and I, well, apparently

4:49:35everybody uh was expecting this except

4:49:38myself and maybe a few others. So, so

4:49:40maybe you do. Do you happen to have the

4:49:41city manager's contract in front of you

4:49:43or at least a rudimentary understanding

4:49:46of um legally the ramifications or the

4:49:50difference between the uh with cause and

4:49:52and without? As far as financial and

4:49:55otherwise,

4:49:56>> there's a [clears throat] excuse me, if

4:49:58it's without cause, he's entitled to a

4:50:00severance package that consists of uh

4:50:03four months, I believe.

4:50:08Bear with me.

4:50:14He's entitled to receive four months

4:50:16base salary as severance pay in a lump

4:50:18sum payment.

4:50:23>> Okay. Thank you for that information.

4:50:25>> You're welcome.

4:50:28>> Is that it? Council member

4:50:30>> Thank you,

4:50:31>> Council Member Kra.

4:50:32>> Yeah. Uh

4:50:35I I don't think well I I don't want to

4:50:39presume something but I will be sorry to

4:50:42see city manager uh leaving. Uh

4:50:48and I think that in the long run uh in a

4:50:53stable atmosphere uh I I think that he

4:50:57certainly would be best here for the

4:50:59city in the long run.

4:51:02However, the tumultuous

4:51:05environment we're in right now, uh, I I

4:51:08know it's it's personal this stress upon

4:51:12the city manager and I I can anticipate

4:51:16what's going to happen over the next

4:51:18period of time with the new council with

4:51:20some of the uh

4:51:23backgrounds and and comments made in in

4:51:26some of the campaign rhetoric. Uh, and I

4:51:30I I think that that's going to be

4:51:32damaging to the city. And uh, as

4:51:35reluctantly as I hate to do it, I I'll

4:51:38support this. So, thank you.

4:51:43>> Uh, seeing that there are uh, no other

4:51:45lights, we have a motion and a second on

4:51:47the table. Madam city clerk, please call

4:51:49the role.

4:51:53>> Last

4:51:55Leman.

4:51:57>> No.

4:51:58Long

4:52:00Steinkey.

4:52:01>> Hi.

4:52:03>> Donnell.

4:52:04>> Hi.

4:52:05>> Gunter.

4:52:06>> I

4:52:09>> Kil Rain.

4:52:10>> I

4:52:11>> four eyes, one nay. Motion carried.

4:52:16>> Okay. Also, uh my understanding uh and

4:52:19Mr. City attorney, you can correct me if

4:52:21I'm wrong. uh uh to meet our charter

4:52:24obligations, we have to identify a

4:52:27entrram city manager.

4:52:29>> You do.

4:52:30>> And with that, uh there's there's two

4:52:33discussions and two um items that we

4:52:37need to address as a part of that

4:52:39discussion. One being who the individual

4:52:41is and secondly, what the pay will be

4:52:47for the interim city manager.

4:52:51I will tell you uh checking with uh HR

4:52:57um I know that our two assistant city

4:52:59managers

4:53:00uh

4:53:02are their salary is $261,000

4:53:06a year.

4:53:09Again, that's 261,000

4:53:12uh for for the each uh assistant city

4:53:15manager. Um and I know that our existing

4:53:19city manager is making uh you know well

4:53:22above that. Uh my recommendation would

4:53:26be to uh discuss the salary range first

4:53:30and then maybe we can talk about the uh

4:53:33the individual who we want to put in

4:53:36place. Uh what I did was I took the 261

4:53:39and added 10% above that um which uh is

4:53:4626,100. So it takes 287 281 uh what I I

4:53:51just rounded it off to 290. Um and uh

4:53:55that would be the pay for the interim

4:53:57city manager uh until the next council

4:54:00can pick and go through the process to

4:54:02identify a new city manager. So that

4:54:05would be my recommendation. Uh but we

4:54:07would need a motion uh for that uh

4:54:09before that could happen.

4:54:11>> I I shall move to adopt that.

4:54:15>> Any other discussion on the salary

4:54:17aspect?

4:54:19Uh council member Stikey.

4:54:23>> Um

4:54:27I I agree in principle on the uh how do

4:54:30you determine uh the amount? Although

4:54:32certainly uh the person selected their

4:54:36their resume, their tenure and what I

4:54:39think would have something to do it just

4:54:41something feels funny to me about

4:54:43identifying um the compensation before

4:54:45identifying the candidate.

4:54:49That's all for me.

4:54:52>> Okay.

4:54:54No other lights on. I mean for me it

4:54:56doesn't really matter who the candidate

4:54:57is. Uh I think it's going to be a

4:54:59temporary basis and um you know I think

4:55:0310% above the uh uh assistant city

4:55:07manager salary is reasonable especially

4:55:11I think our current city manager is

4:55:13around the three 330ome,000

4:55:16plus we just gave him a a uh uh an

4:55:20increase in a onetime lump sum. So

4:55:23actually he's a little higher than that.

4:55:25uh there's some other benefits that are

4:55:27there as well. But I think for the entr

4:55:30position, we just uh identify a salary

4:55:34range uh and try to be reasonable about

4:55:37it. So that's why I come up with that

4:55:39number. For me, it doesn't really matter

4:55:42who I put there. Um since this is a

4:55:45temporary basis, uh it's we're going to

4:55:47have to go through a process. Uh I've

4:55:50been through three city managers, so I

4:55:51I've been through this process. uh the

4:55:54next uh council will have to decide

4:55:56whether they want to pick uh a internal

4:56:00individual or if they want to do a

4:56:01national search. That'll be up to them.

4:56:04This just puts somebody in place uh to

4:56:06meet our charter requirements and to

4:56:09make sure that we do have a leader uh

4:56:11until a permanent uh individual can be

4:56:14recognized and uh their contract brought

4:56:18forward for for a council um

4:56:20ratification.

4:56:22So that's where I was at on it.

4:56:26>> Any other discussion?

4:56:28>> And was the motion for the round up or

4:56:31for the plus 10% at the 2871 100?

4:56:35>> 290.

4:56:35>> The 290 is what the motion was.

4:56:38We rounded it up to the just a flat 290.

4:56:41It was 287.

4:56:43Uh 281.

4:56:46>> Okay.

4:56:47>> All right. See no other lights on. Uh,

4:56:49madame city clerk, uh, there's a motion

4:56:51and second on the floor. Please call the

4:56:53roll.

4:56:54>> Leman,

4:56:56>> I.

4:56:56>> Steini,

4:56:57>> I.

4:56:58>> Donnell,

4:56:59>> I.

4:57:00>> Gunter,

4:57:00>> I.

4:57:01>> Kil Rain,

4:57:02>> I.

4:57:03>> Five eyes. Motion carried.

4:57:05>> Okay. Now, the the tough part um is uh

4:57:09we have to recognize uh who we want to

4:57:11be in as an interim uh city manager to

4:57:14take uh to take over. Um, that's

4:57:17something uh I will open the floor up

4:57:19for a discussion. You know, for me, I

4:57:21think we need to pick an individual that

4:57:24uh you know, is is up to date and can

4:57:26hit the ground running tomorrow. Um, so

4:57:29I think that's important. Unfortunately,

4:57:32uh, uh, you know, again, I've been here

4:57:35before and I think that's important to

4:57:37make sure we got the right per uh,

4:57:39person in place because this process

4:57:41will probably be several months long,

4:57:43especially if they do a a national

4:57:45search.

4:57:46uh if they do decide to pick someone

4:57:48internally that that time period could

4:57:50be shortened. Uh but uh you know so with

4:57:54that uh being said I will open the floor

4:57:56for for discussion. Um council member

4:57:59Dino

4:58:00>> well you know

4:58:03for me we have if it's succession and I

4:58:07know that you know one of the things

4:58:09they do is they always um have

4:58:11successionary and they doing the

4:58:12planning. So we have two assistants. So

4:58:14both of them are hire for me it's either

4:58:16going to be one of the two assistants. I

4:58:19know them both. They've been here for a

4:58:20while. They know either one of them

4:58:22could do the job. So for me just for

4:58:25this temporary I I would be fine with

4:58:27either of those two. But those two are

4:58:30really the only ones that that for me

4:58:32will be a part of the conversation.

4:58:35And of the two I don't I'm not you know

4:58:38either way I'm fine. That's all.

4:58:42>> Uh Council Member Kelling. Yeah. Uh I'm

4:58:45going to go a different way on this. Um

4:58:48I I uh I'm looking for trying to give us

4:58:51some continuity and smooth sailing over

4:58:54the next period of time for the interim.

4:58:56And I I'd recommend uh Moren Dussy.

4:59:02>> Who?

4:59:02>> Moren.

4:59:03>> Moren. Moren Bice.

4:59:05>> Yeah.

4:59:06>> Okay. Uh Council Member Stikey.

4:59:11>> Um thank you. I've I've got a um I got a

4:59:15similar thought process

4:59:18uh as um Council Member Kilra from the

4:59:20standpoint of uh creating a domino

4:59:23effect. Um we've got we've got two

4:59:26assistant uh city [snorts] managers in

4:59:29place right now for a division of work,

4:59:32if you will. um and uh

4:59:38to disturb that that division of work at

4:59:41this at this juncture before a decision

4:59:44would be made. The new council could

4:59:46choose one of those two to step up and

4:59:50choose to affect a domino effect than

4:59:53who backfills the assistant manager

4:59:56position if one is is fulfilled. So

5:00:00since it is

5:00:02highly temporary,

5:00:04um I would tend to keep the assistance

5:00:07in place

5:00:09um working with the departments that

5:00:12each one of them is in charge of uh and

5:00:15and have if you will a third party

5:00:19um

5:00:22equal to the task I believe in that

5:00:24transition period. Uh, I absolutely

5:00:27believe that that Morin Bice is um is

5:00:30qualified to do that. She's very

5:00:32knowledgeable. Uh, if she doesn't have a

5:00:34committed to memory, she can find it

5:00:36that fast. She's already been working

5:00:38with uh both assistant uh city managers.

5:00:42So, I think she's uh certainly a

5:00:45qualified candidate for the interim. Um,

5:00:50but as last minute as this is, I would

5:00:54tell you that

5:00:56from a, you know, potentially impartial

5:01:00uh perspective, I've been highly

5:01:03impressed

5:01:05uh with with Matt Williams. Uh Matt came

5:01:09to us from another state. He's been

5:01:12involved with public works. Um our city

5:01:15is public works. I mean, we are being

5:01:18the growing city that we are. um to be

5:01:22in touch with all of the projects uh

5:01:25storm water management, roadways,

5:01:29um the the inner workings of our city.

5:01:31Um with our current city manager, we've

5:01:33seen what the knowledge of public works

5:01:36brings to the table as it relates to

5:01:37leadership of the entire city.

5:01:40So, um I'd hate to say we have a lack of

5:01:43choices. Uh if if we go to not disturb

5:01:48the current leadership within the

5:01:50departments, um I would say that that I

5:01:54would be uh equally as satisfied with

5:01:57with Matt Williams

5:02:00uh as uh as I would uh Morin Vice. So,

5:02:04just from the standpoint of not only

5:02:07having one direction to go, I just

5:02:08wanted to get that name on the table as

5:02:10well as I as as I went through the list

5:02:13here real quick. So, thanks.

5:02:15>> Uh, Council Member Leman.

5:02:17>> Yeah, I

5:02:19I think the way to go because I would

5:02:22agree with you, Council Member Seni, um,

5:02:26that the other two city managers have

5:02:29their departments that they handle and

5:02:31whatnot. I think Morin Dice is the one

5:02:34to go with.

5:02:37Thank you.

5:02:40Yeah, for me I mean um

5:02:43you know we've already kind of turned

5:02:45the apple cart over

5:02:47uh to some degree and I think it's

5:02:50important to try to keep as much

5:02:52continuity in the organization as

5:02:55possible.

5:02:57So when you look at the organization, I

5:03:00think if you look at some of our

5:03:02department directors, uh they could

5:03:04probably fill that role.

5:03:06Um you know, we are very fortunate here.

5:03:09We have very high qualified and uh

5:03:12well-trained u managers uh directors in

5:03:16our uh departments. Um but I guess I'm

5:03:21looking at it a little differently. Uh I

5:03:25think that uh since this is just a

5:03:27interimm position to try to do the least

5:03:31amount of disruption

5:03:34as possible I think is in the best

5:03:37interest of the city and when I say that

5:03:40uh for me keeping all the department

5:03:43directors where they're at keeping our

5:03:45two assistant city managers which either

5:03:48one of them uh I think could fill uh the

5:03:52position and entrum. But as we know, uh,

5:03:56Miss Spice has been working, uh, side by

5:03:59side with our city manager. Uh, you've

5:04:02probably heard me tell jokes before. I

5:04:04think that the tether is only about six

5:04:06foot long. And, um, so she knows the the

5:04:11inner workings. Uh, she has worked the

5:04:14closest uh, with the city manager uh,

5:04:18over the last couple years. Uh, she's in

5:04:21every meeting. uh no matter uh if it's a

5:04:25department meeting, no matter if it's

5:04:26with a developer, no matter if it's um

5:04:30you know whatever the case may be, she

5:04:32is right beside him uh and has been

5:04:36working side by side. So I think out of

5:04:39everyone in the organization today

5:04:42uh who knows

5:04:45uh and has worked with the uh current or

5:04:48with Mr.

5:04:50I think she's probably the best

5:04:52candidate in the short term period. So I

5:04:55I agree with some of my colleagues. I

5:04:58think that would disrupt the

5:04:59organization the least uh and then start

5:05:04the process moving forward whoever that

5:05:06permanent position would be. So I would

5:05:09uh I would support Miss Price.

5:05:12Seeing no other lights on uh I'll

5:05:14entertain a motion. Well, seeing as you

5:05:16can't pass the gavl uh on this one, I'll

5:05:19uh I'll uh support uh your your comments

5:05:23and I'd like to make the motion uh that

5:05:25we would appoint uh Moren Vice as the

5:05:28interim city manager.

5:05:30>> Second.

5:05:31>> Any other discussion?

5:05:33>> Yeah, since I haven't learned to

5:05:36pronounce her name correctly in two

5:05:38years, I look forward for the next two

5:05:40to learn it. So, my apologies.

5:05:45Okay, see no other lights on. Madam city

5:05:47clerk, we have a motion to second on the

5:05:49floor. Uh, could you uh please call the

5:05:52role?

5:05:54>> Leman,

5:05:56>> I.

5:05:57>> Stein,

5:05:58>> I.

5:05:58>> Donnell

5:06:01on principal. No.

5:06:04>> Gunter.

5:06:04>> I.

5:06:05>> Hill.

5:06:06>> I.

5:06:07>> Four eyes, one nay. Motion carried.

5:06:11>> Okay. Um, we'll continue with the

5:06:14reports. Um, Mr. City Attorney report.

5:06:17>> Nothing, Mayor.

5:06:21>> And, uh, I just want to say one last

5:06:23thing. I know he walked out already, but

5:06:25uh, I want to thank uh, our city

5:06:29manager, Mr. Earl Chisum, for all the

5:06:31work, dedication. He's been with this

5:06:33organization for 20ome years. Uh, he's

5:06:36uh, uh, done a great job along the way

5:06:39at many different levels. So I wish him

5:06:40all all the well uh in his future

5:06:43endeavors. So with that being said, time

5:06:47and place of future meeting

5:06:50once I get to it.

5:06:56Time and place uh place of future

5:06:58meeting. We have a regular meeting of

5:06:59the Cape Coral City Council is scheduled

5:07:01for Wednesday, November 18th, 2026

5:07:03beginning at 4 p.m. in council chambers.

5:07:05Do I have a motion to adjurnn?

5:07:07>> So move.

5:07:09Second.

5:07:10>> All in favor say I.

5:07:11>> I.

5:07:12>> Any opposed? Danger.

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