2026-10-05 - Inland Wetlands and Watercourses Agency

00:00meeting of the the Woodstock Inland

00:03Wetlands and Water Courses Agency. Time

00:06is 700 pm and we'll start with a call uh

00:10roll call.

00:12>> Even on time

00:14>> Peasley,

00:16>> Kathy Barrett,

00:18Grace Luddy,

00:20>> and Bill Rwinsky.

00:22Uh Milabuts will not be joining us

00:24tonight.

00:27Um we don't have any alternates with us.

00:30We only have one alternate and he is not

00:32here and

00:34uh so we will have nobody to appoint.

00:39So we'll move on to action of the

00:41minutes the previous meeting September

00:4314th 2026.

00:48So are there changes or adjustments

00:51uh that need to be made?

00:54I didn't see any.

00:55>> Anybody else has seen?

00:58>> I didn't see any Stuart Beasley here.

01:02>> Okay.

01:04Anybody else?

01:10>> I got a question about one of the the

01:12the projects that was going on, but

01:15that's that it really has nothing to do

01:16with the minutes, so

01:18>> I'll ask it later on.

01:21>> Okay.

01:23So, I see Reed's up with us at the last

01:27uh meeting. You're uh Oh, he's not

01:32connected to audio.

01:40Reed, are you there?

01:43>> Yeah. Having a little technical

01:44difficulty here, but I think I'm finally

01:46with you.

01:48>> Okay. I don't the last meeting your

01:50computer came up as Jay Banderell.

01:54>> Yeah.

01:55>> Uh but you're you

01:58should be Reed Banderell, correct?

02:00>> Well, I go by Reed.

02:03>> Is Jay an official name also?

02:06>> It is.

02:07>> Okay.

02:09All right. So, uh you're in the minutes

02:13as two different ways as J as J A Y and

02:16J period. I would just like to

02:19consolidate and your application is says

02:22read. So I would propose that we change

02:27all the wording to be read Vanderhell.

02:34>> Are we refi required to have legal

02:36names? Bill

02:39>> uh it's whoever you're signed in as for

02:42for this part. But, uh, as far as the

02:45legality of it, um, it would make sense

02:49for the consistency for the the minutes

02:52and the actual person's name to and what

02:54they typically go by. What

02:58>> should be go by? What the application is

03:00signed as?

03:02>> Well, I'm using a a score application,

03:05so they have me listed as J. Vandercale.

03:08Y

03:09>> so because of my participation in their

03:12program.

03:14>> Yeah.

03:15>> You know my full legal Christian name is

03:18Jay Reed Vandercel.

03:21>> Okay. And it's scale not shell.

03:25>> Yeah. They sent me school to say skill.

03:28>> Okay. [laughter]

03:31So we will officially since like I said

03:33since the application

03:35uh says read that I will propose that we

03:38change the name to read. It's got two

03:41different places in here. One of them is

03:44uh number two

03:46and

03:49the other one is

03:527B the second line down.

03:59Oh yeah. Is it two words?

04:05>> Bander scale. Yes, it is two words.

04:07>> Okay. But that's the whole last name.

04:10>> That's the whole last name.

04:12>> Okay.

04:15>> Thank Ellis Island for that. [laughter]

04:18>> Yeah. They do a lot of fun things, don't

04:20they? Or they did. Not anymore.

04:22>> Well, it used to be three parts.

04:25>> Oh, wow.

04:26>> Yeah. That's uh Dutch origin.

04:31>> Dutch origin. Yes.

04:32>> Yeah. Okay. Uh does anybody else have

04:35any uh corrections?

04:38Um well, the other thing I would like to

04:40say is that my name is there as W and

04:45sometimes as B. So I would like to uh

04:51have some consistency with that uh

04:53throughout the whole uh I is Bill

04:56Ruinsky chairman. So you can uh please

04:59change the W to B

05:02>> or or perhaps uh Mr. Chair sometimes in

05:05on on minutes I see the chairman

05:06referred to as chair Rinsky rather than

05:10you know.

05:11>> Yeah, that's that's fine. That kind of

05:13eliminates the initial part. So, um, we

05:17could change that to chair would be for

05:19for clarity

05:21because otherwise it could look

05:23potentially be two different people.

05:25Are there any other changes that anybody

05:28sees in the minutes?

05:32So, I entertain a motion

05:35for the minutes with the corrections

05:37suggested.

05:38>> Stuart Peasley. I make a motion that we

05:41approve the minutes on Monday, September

05:4514th,

05:47>> uh,

05:492026.

05:52>> I second.

05:55>> Okay. With the two the several

05:57corrections that were mentioned

05:59>> with the with the corrections that were

06:01um mentioned specified.

06:05>> Okay. Any other comments, questions?

06:08>> [clears throat]

06:09>> All those in favor signify by saying I.

06:11>> I.

06:12>> I.

06:15>> Grace, you're mute. I say I.

06:17>> I.

06:18>> I.

06:19>> Okay. Uh, the motion passes.

06:22>> Okay. Moving on to

06:26citizens comments. Is there anyone on

06:29the Zoom tonight who would like to speak

06:31to something that's not on the agenda? I

06:36don't really see anybody here that uh

06:41would be interested in doing that. So,

06:43we'll move along to pending

06:45applications.

06:47Application 09-26-01

06:52110 Stonebridge Road, map 5779,

06:56block 55, lot 35, Putnham Fishing Game

07:00Club, change of exist existing pond.

07:05So, uh, hopefully everybody's a little

07:08bit up to date that there are new

07:09documents posted today. Um, John, you

07:13you have them already there. Thank you.

07:15>> There sure are lots of new documents.

07:18>> Reed, I'm I'm happy to navigate to

07:19wherever you'd like in terms of your

07:21description.

07:23Um, I

07:26basically, you know, uh, am going to,

07:30uh, defer to the board and let them

07:33direct where they want to be with it.

07:36>> Well, uh, Bill Rowinsky, I'm going to

07:38have to recuse myself at this point from

07:40this discussion

07:42as a member of the club. So, Stuart, if

07:45you could take over, please.

07:48>> Okay. Um, I looked at the I gota put my

07:53glasses on here. I didn't find anything.

07:59Uh, in the first paragraph, one question

08:01I had was the topographical mapping

08:04identifies that the northern area is

08:06limited by a vertical boundary of 35 ft

08:10in elevation.

08:11So, we're talking about a 35 ft

08:14differential between one

08:18point of the uh map and the other and

08:22another high and low highest and lowest.

08:26>> It's Yeah, it's it's a 35 foot cliff.

08:31>> Okay.

08:33So,

08:36and that's so the stairs are kind of an

08:39important element to discuss.

08:42The stairs are not accurate. They're

08:44just a sketch. They're not showing

08:46actual

08:48layout, but that's just the placement

08:51where you would think they would go.

08:54So, there is what is the height

08:57differential at each of those stairs

08:59represent? It's 16 ft

09:01>> at each one.

09:03>> Yes.

09:03>> Okay.

09:06Well, I'm going to, you know, I'm I'm

09:08I'm going to offer this as a

09:09consideration. Uh

09:14we don't it the stairs aren't in our

09:16scope usually. Um, but I will say in my

09:20own experience that that

09:23I would want to suggest

09:28an alternative

09:30be explored besides having stairs.

09:34And the only reason why is that if you

09:37put stairs in like that with a 16 ft

09:41differential,

09:43that's uh

09:46that's about at least 24 risers,

09:50>> right?

09:51>> So you'll need

09:54at least two

09:56um

10:00uh platforms. uh

10:04my mind's blank on it. It's a long day,

10:06but you'll need uh

10:11to to have a step platform at every 12

10:1612th riser. So, that extends it. And it

10:20also means that anytime you have more

10:22than two risers, you'll need a handrail.

10:26So, you'll probably have to have

10:27handrails on both sides. There will be

10:30handrails on both sides.

10:32>> Okay.

10:33>> It's it's a very it's a very similar

10:35construction that I install with every

10:37dock that I build.

10:40>> Okay. I just wanted to put that out

10:42there. If in fact you want to

10:45>> if you want to consider another option

10:47like a landscape, you know, ramp um

10:53>> as because with the stairs, you'll

10:55you'll probably have to go through

10:56building department.

10:58And that's fine. We can do that when the

11:00when when when it comes that way. Either

11:02that or we can do landscape landscape

11:05flagstone stepping

11:08>> store. Yeah.

11:10>> Can I just ask a question of the the

11:13applicant?

11:14>> Sure.

11:15>> What was the purpose of putting these

11:17stairs here? I mean, I've seen them for

11:20when you're going in swimming and stuff,

11:23but

11:24>> to get out,

11:26>> the the grade on that that banking there

11:29is extremely steep. Um, it it serves two

11:33purposes. One, we're trying to keep

11:35people off of the the embankment.

11:39Um, so it provides them to an access to

11:41that proposed ledge water um water level

11:46edge at that point. So, it's basically

11:49an ingress and egress point for that

11:51access. It's it uh

11:53>> Oh, it is. Okay.

11:54>> Okay. And it it keeps people off of that

11:57surrounding vegetation.

12:02>> Well, I I'm just wondering

12:06why are people on it? Just they're

12:08standing there. So, like they're they're

12:11what's that called when you when you

12:13flip the the fishing rod over and it

12:16casting. when when you're casting into

12:18the

12:18>> right. Well, you you have to understand

12:20you're standing about 16 feet above the

12:22water line.

12:24>> Okay.

12:26>> So, people like to be at the water's

12:28edge to fish.

12:30>> Ah, okay. Okay. Well, I'm I apologize. I

12:33>> No, no, not at all. Not at all.

12:35>> I have [clears throat] 50 years beyond

12:39beyond the last time I held a fishing

12:41pole. So,

12:42>> no, it's it's it's perfectly all right.

12:44But people get up and down that

12:47embankment there.

12:48>> Yeah.

12:49>> And all it does is it it degrades the

12:52vegetation that's on there. There's

12:56they they have mismanaged this over so

12:58many years. All right. Uh one they they

13:02cut the grass and they treated it like

13:05it was some kind of golf course fairway.

13:08All right. And you don't cut grass

13:11around a pond that low. It it doesn't

13:14work well [clears throat] ever. Um I

13:18have two ponds on my farm. I don't ever

13:21get grass get lower than 6 in in height

13:25around those ponds because the the

13:27grasses lose their filtration capability

13:30at that point. So this way why people

13:33have a means of being able to actually

13:36get to a a stable shelf where they can

13:39fish in comfort. All right. They have an

13:42ingress and egress uh point out of

13:44there. The banks and the vegetation, the

13:47vegetation surrounding it is not being

13:49disturbed. It's not being, you know, um

13:52torn by people up and down it. At that

13:55point, the actual shelf serves as a

14:01natural filtration system with the

14:03number two stone at a depth of 6 to 8

14:06in. So that any silting that comes off

14:09of that bank is inhibited prior to it

14:11actually reaching the pond itself.

14:16>> So you don't have any problem with

14:17people going down and standing on that

14:21like the circle that goes around the

14:24excavation dredging area.

14:27>> No, if if they're standing on that

14:30proposed ledge area there, that's that's

14:32that's a dual purpose. Basically, it it

14:35adds for the the inh it inhibits the the

14:40propagation of the silt into the pond

14:43and it allows people an access and a

14:47waterway or a direct access to the water

14:50line itself.

14:54>> Okay,

14:56>> Kathleen, just a quick clarification.

14:59that that path uh that circle around the

15:04pond is it's above. It's above. It's

15:06they're not going down.

15:09>> You know that, right?

15:10>> It's above. Oh,

15:12>> yeah.

15:13>> Okay. I'm looking at the photographs.

15:16Um

15:21Okay. So, there's

15:23>> Do you want a different a different

15:24image up to to help or even

15:27>> Where where would you like Where would

15:28you like to go? Uh, one of those photos.

15:30Yeah.

15:30>> Okay.

15:34>> Oops. No. Uh, I

15:36>> think you got to go back to the initial

15:38package.

15:39>> Okay. Sure.

15:48>> Has this pond been here for a long long

15:51time?

15:52>> It was certified by Deep in January of

15:542010. It was actually uh start started

15:58in 97.

16:01>> Oh,

16:06see that work?

16:08>> Does that help, Kathleen?

16:10>> So 047 I'm looking at and and that I can

16:14see there's it's like a burm on the

16:16outside of the pond.

16:17>> Yeah, actually that's not a burm. Uh if

16:21if you were to actually stand on that

16:23physically, it's about a one in three

16:25drop.

16:26>> Oh, okay. Well, it looks more like it

16:29from this picture cuz you can't really

16:31see anything behind it.

16:33>> If you if you transit to if you uh go to

16:38the westerly looking uh westerly

16:40photographs,

16:43>> westerly

16:46>> 270.

16:48>> All right, hang on. My my I'm advancing

16:51a little bit choppily here. Uh I got two

16:54Oh, 270. Okay.

16:56>> Okay.

16:58>> You're going too far.

17:02>> Back up.

17:06>> What is this? Right. That's 183. 183.

17:09>> Yeah, that's 183 from an aerial.

17:13I don't

17:14>> Do I have a 270?

17:15>> Yeah, you do. You have a 270.

17:19way in the back.

17:25>> Oh, yeah. Okay.

17:27>> Map. There's That's

17:31>> 183.

17:36That's It's jamming on me. 90.

17:41>> Well, it purpose its purpose.

17:42>> I don't think I do.

17:44>> Its purpose obviously is to contain the

17:46pond. All right, that's probably

17:49>> All right, that's right there at 151 or

17:53>> Yep, I can see that.

17:55>> Okay, that

17:58that is probably the most shallow

18:00banking that there is in that entire

18:02pond structure.

18:03>> Wow.

18:05>> Okay. And I can tell you from

18:08yesterday's experience about getting

18:10from getting measurements out there,

18:11it's exactly the same point where I lost

18:13my footing and wound up on my kester.

18:16Whoops. [laughter]

18:18>> It is extremely steep.

18:21>> Okay. Wow.

18:25>> In both sides, the out the outer slope

18:28is the same.

18:29>> The outer slope is the same.

18:34>> Well, looking at the right side of 151,

18:37it looks a lot steeper than it does on

18:39the left side. It looks like the left

18:41side it kind of

18:44>> out. It's deceptive in its appearance,

18:46but unfortunately it is it is consistent

18:50all the way around.

18:56>> Well, be careful. We'll make you put up

18:58a fence [laughter]

19:00>> with with handrails and [snorts] you

19:02know the Americans for Disability and

19:04all that.

19:11Well, it's not a place of assembly, so

19:13you don't have to do that. You don't

19:14have to worry about it.

19:16>> Um,

19:17>> okay.

19:21>> That was that was just one thing. I

19:23mean,

19:25you know, if if it were a

19:29place of assembly where there were more

19:31than 50 or 49 people assembling, then

19:35those would be issues,

19:37>> right? But

19:38>> but it's not

19:39>> that's not the case here.

19:40>> Yeah. And it's not in our scope of work.

19:43I just brought those stairs up as

19:49just it caught my eye and uh I guess

19:53you're already aware of it but but uh

19:56you know this may have to get a run by

19:59the

20:00>> well the stairs were only included

20:01because at the last meeting it was

20:03indicated that they that the position of

20:06the stairs needed to be included in it.

20:08>> Okay. So,

20:10>> I I just, you know, if there is a

20:12possibility of doing a ramp instead of

20:14the stairs, then you might want to think

20:16about it. But

20:19if it's if it's prohibitively expensive,

20:21then stairs are the way to go.

20:24>> So, the stairs are there to get somebody

20:26out of the pond,

20:29not so they can walk in to go swimming.

20:31>> No, there is no swimming allowed in this

20:33pond.

20:34>> Right. Okay.

20:35>> All right. None. All it does is it

20:37accesses access access that waterline

20:40edge for them to fish.

20:43>> Oh. Takes them down. Not into the water,

20:46but to the edge of the water.

20:47>> To the edge of the to the water's edge.

20:50>> Yep.

20:51>> Are are those going those stairs going

20:53down or are they going up?

20:56>> Well, I didn't know.

20:57>> Going down.

20:58>> I I didn't know stairs that didn't that

21:00didn't go down that also didn't go up.

21:03>> Right. But but you notice that stair on

21:06the upper right corner says proposed

21:08stair proposed stair access.

21:11>> I'm assuming that goes up to the top

21:14platform that that

21:17uh circumference

21:20egress or egress

21:23>> the the proposed le the proposed ledge

21:25is the high point. Correct.

21:27>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

21:29>> That's what I that's what I think we

21:31need to clarify.

21:32>> Right. So the stairs are go right. the

21:34stairs accessing heading towards the

21:36pond. The stairs go up to the the ledge.

21:39>> When we draw a stair, we usually put an

21:41air from the

21:42>> arrow

21:43>> from the lowest tread to the highest. So

21:48that's why we're guessing this. This is

21:50confusing if you're not familiar with

21:51the photographs. Um, but I assume that.

21:54And plus, we've got that overflow

21:56spillway

21:58uh helping us. Um

22:03I since that's not in our our scope of

22:07services here, I think we I'm just

22:10making it as a suggestion.

22:13Uh

22:16are there any other issues to talk about

22:18for this

22:20stage of the application?

22:24Anything else?

22:29One of the other items requested by the

22:31commission last time, the agency last

22:33time was the location of the proposed

22:35deposition site for for spoils which is

22:38here on this aerial.

22:42And

22:45he went in and u

22:49we do have a pretty good description of

22:51where that water is going and how it's

22:53going to be handled. Some of the

22:55questions were about the uh turbidity of

22:59it. Um,

23:04has that been addressed? Is that an

23:06issue?

23:08No, it's it's been addressed. I mean,

23:11the the the the pickup tube in and of

23:14itself would basically inhibit the the

23:17uh transmission of the the silt. Okay.

23:20>> The installation of the silt fence in

23:22itself is going to inhibit any possible

23:25propagation.

23:26>> Okay.

23:33And then the volume of water was 13,000

23:37gallons.

23:38>> That's that's a maximum.

23:41I think it's a lot less than that.

23:44the the western side. If you if you were

23:47to physically look at the pond itself,

23:49the you can tell where the silting comes

23:52from the west goes to the east in in an

23:55incline. So the water depth from the

23:58west is only about 4t deep in some

24:02places. In fact, some places it's not

24:04even 4t deep.

24:10How what's the uh

24:14period of

24:17uh

24:19draining or dredging, cleaning,

24:21whatever?

24:23Once a year, once every three years.

24:27[laughter]

24:29Uhoh.

24:33>> I I really wish they'd had a period of

24:36draining and dredging, but unfortunately

24:38this is the first time this has been

24:40addressed since this pond has been

24:41installed.

24:42>> Okay. All right. [laughter]

24:44>> I am I am trying to undo over a decade

24:48of negligence.

24:49>> Okay.

24:51>> What would you what would you recommend

24:53as a uh

24:56>> personally my smaller pond on my farm? I

24:59usually go every 36 months.

25:01>> Okay. Three years.

25:02>> Wow.

25:03>> Yeah.

25:06The larger pond I don't bother with

25:08because it's an old um limestone quarry

25:12and it's over 30 feet deep.

25:14>> Cool.

25:16>> Whoa.

25:17It [clears throat] covers a little more

25:19than four acres.

25:21>> Wow.

25:22>> Is that in eastern Connecticut?

25:24>> Uh no sir, that is in west central

25:26Illinois.

25:27>> Oh, okay. I own I own our family farm.

25:31We farm roughly what is now 970 acres of

25:37which 200 acres of that is actually in

25:39the Mississippi glacial basin abuing the

25:44river tributaries, estuaries, marshes,

25:47wetlands.

25:50>> Very impressive.

25:52I was I was thinking it might be in

25:53Sterling or something.

25:55>> No, no, no, no.

26:00Uh

26:02>> anyone else that this pond is really in

26:05like a like a concrete not concrete but

26:08you know stone

26:10like a vessel.

26:12>> It is the this property is an abandoned

26:17gravel pit.

26:18>> Ah okay.

26:20>> Okay. Which basically

26:23uh the the soil classification I think

26:25is HKA. HKA

26:29and it is high in silk content.

26:33Um

26:36so basically everything we do we have to

26:38do with silk mit medication in in mind.

26:44>> Okay.

26:44>> Um is that what happened when this pond

26:48was drafted and when it was built? Um

26:53no I don't think so. [laughter]

26:57Well, I was wondering why I was

26:59wondering why they could go down another

27:01five feet if they hadn't

27:04>> if it hadn't been that deep before.

27:07>> Well, it was 16 ft initially.

27:10>> Oh, and then the silt came along.

27:12>> Yeah.

27:14>> Okay.

27:16>> John, do you is is there a I believe

27:19there's a section drawing on this

27:22part as well.

27:25right here.

27:26>> Yeah.

27:26>> All right. Let me flip. Let me rotate it

27:28for you.

27:29>> Yep.

27:29>> Yeah, that helps.

27:40So, when it was built, they didn't give

27:43much consideration to

27:46preservation of the walls.

27:49>> Oh, yeah.

27:50>> All right. They didn't give any

27:52consideration to the biodiversity or uh

27:56any type of thermoclining at all or um

28:01aquatic habitat.

28:03Um what they did was they dug a hole

28:07[laughter]

28:08[clears throat]

28:08>> well. It worked

28:10>> well. It to a to a certain extent

28:12>> sort of. Yeah.

28:13>> To a certain extent. Yes. Uh but if you

28:17don't put some type of of uh structural

28:21holding material in there, the walls

28:23eventually have a tendency to to to

28:25give. Um if you don't put some type of

28:29of thermal clining in there, why you're

28:31not uh you're not you're not maximizing

28:36the environment for your aquatic uh um

28:40animals.

28:41Um, be it fish, be it turtles, be it

28:43crayfish, be it whatever. Um,

28:47there there there is a lot lacking in

28:50this, let's put it that way.

28:53I'm trying to bring it back into where

28:55it actually has a viable

28:59um environmental structure.

29:07Well, that

29:10that section explains a lot

29:13and and we could we could just uh

29:17envision that the out outer slope is a

29:20reflection of what we're seeing on the

29:22inner slope

29:23>> basically. Yeah.

29:30How many people are generally at up

29:33there at one time?

29:36It's

29:38I mean, you know, we we we have a family

29:40that'll come in and do fishing or we

29:42have a couple of old goats like me that

29:45show up every now and then on a weekend

29:47because we need some solitude.

29:50[laughter]

29:52>> Well, maybe one to 10.

29:56If you get 10 people around that pond at

29:58one time, somebody's having a party.

30:00[laughter]

30:10Uh

30:13what else, John? Were we were we what

30:15were some of the other issues that we

30:17were faced with here?

30:26All right. So, um we have the spoils

30:29location,

30:31uh the extraction and sediment

30:34mitigation, uh the the piping and sump

30:38area. We we showed you the sump area.

30:40Anything you guys need to know about

30:42piping? We have I think uh Reed provides

30:46some pipe

30:48perforated pipe

30:51>> perforated. Yeah. Basically, we put

30:53drain sleeve sock on it with a double

30:55roll uh folded end

31:01>> and and where does that drain to?

31:05I mean the water only comes in from the

31:07sky, right? I mean there's nothing that

31:09flows into here.

31:10>> There is no ingress. It's that it's it's

31:13groundwater and that's that's it. It has

31:16no inlet. It has no outlet,

31:18>> right?

31:21>> Are there springs? Is it springfed?

31:24>> No, I mean it it is groundwater fed.

31:28>> Yeah. Okay.

31:29>> All right. But as far as for any any

31:32direct input from a spring, no.

31:35>> Okay.

31:38>> Well, what's the what's the blue line on

31:42the overhead the sump pumping A2.

31:49>> Okay.

31:52Uh where are we?

31:53>> That's on the initial package.

31:55>> Oh, okay.

31:55>> Oh, it is. Yeah. Sorry. It just I mean

31:58it looks like a big

32:01>> like at least a stream.

32:02>> Okay.

32:03>> But it's not attached to the pond at

32:05all.

32:06>> Yeah, there it is.

32:07>> Okay. That line is basically indicative

32:10of the the line from the sump pump

32:14to the to the dispersal area.

32:21>> Is that because it if it fills if we

32:23have raging rainstorms that it fills and

32:27maybe runs over the top

32:29>> that and groundwater coming up.

32:31>> Okay.

32:32>> All right. So basically it's basically

32:35designed to keep the the groundwater

32:38level down so that we can manage during

32:42the the excavation process.

32:45>> Ah okay.

32:46>> And and and not risk having an excavator

32:49floating around in it. [laughter]

32:57>> Okay.

33:02Yeah, I think those are the those are

33:04the major issues.

33:19So,

33:21is that basically what we need to do is

33:23approve this permit request?

33:29Unless there are any unless there are

33:31any issues that

33:33are outstanding or

33:37aren't included in this description.

33:43I think this was ready. This was

33:46submitted last month.

33:48>> That's correct.

33:49>> And and we asked for more information

33:52which was provided

33:55tonight.

33:57Uh, unless there's anything else,

34:01I think we're ready to vote on it.

34:06[clears throat]

34:11Is that correct, Chen? I think we've

34:15>> Yes, that's Yeah, that's I think I think

34:18he's I believe to my recollection, Reed

34:20has answered the questions that were

34:21posed at the last meeting. So, it's it's

34:24really a question of if you're ready to

34:26approve and if there are any additional

34:28conditions.

34:30>> So, uh

34:33does anybody else have any questions?

34:42I would ask for a motion to uh

34:47approve. I don't have the

34:49>> it's uh application

34:5109-26-01

34:54110 Stonebridge Road Putnham Fish and

34:56Game Club changes to existing pond.

35:01>> Uh so we just need a motion to entertain

35:06uh approval or denial of this

35:09application.

35:11>> Okay. I will make a motion on

35:14partial or

35:17It would be application number

35:19>> application number 09-

35:2326-01-

35:26110 Stonebridge Road

35:295779/5539

35:35um an application by the Putnham Fishing

35:37Game Club changes to their existing pond

35:41and I make a motion that we accept their

35:45application and approve it in one of the

35:48>> I'm not sure it's not a right I I'm

35:52still not completely familiar with that.

35:54So if one of you would help me out what

35:56it is

35:57>> approved as a regul regulated activity.

36:00>> Regulated. Okay, that's that sounds

36:02great.

36:05>> I'll second it.

36:07>> Very good. All those in favor say I.

36:11>> I I.

36:13All those opposed.

36:16All those abstained.

36:18The vote is passed unanimously.

36:21We have approved the additional

36:24application materials of October 5th,

36:282028

36:30for

36:34application number 09-26-1-10

36:39Stonebridge Road.

36:43Okay,

36:44>> thanks Reed.

36:46Thank you Reed.

36:47>> Thank you very much everyone.

36:51>> Good job.

36:53Enjoy it.

36:56>> It's been a long time since I did any

36:59engineering work. [laughter]

37:03>> Yeah,

37:06it uh it disappears pretty quick if you

37:08don't use it. Uh, it was the first

37:11four-year degree I got and that was back

37:14in the 80s.

37:15>> Yeah.

37:20>> Right.

37:22>> Yep. It's Bill Veritzky coming back at

37:247:37. So, we'll move on to new

37:26applications.

37:28Application 09-26-02

37:3229 Crabtree Lane

37:35map 6397

37:37block 62 lot 16A

37:41Jeff Coof Fibers LLC new warehouse

37:44building and Upland Review Area

37:47I believe we have the engineer with us

37:49this evening.

37:54>> Good evening. Yes, I'm here. Mark Santo

37:57on behalf of the applicant.

37:59>> Yep.

38:00>> Would you like to give us a brief

38:02overview over overview?

38:04>> Certainly. Certainly. Thank you very

38:05much, John. Um, Mr. Chairman, my my my

38:10name is Mark Santo. I am an engineer

38:13from Grafton, Massachusetts. I've been

38:16engaged by Jeffco Fibers to prepare

38:19plans and specifications for a addition

38:23to their facility. They are looking to

38:26do a um two-phase project. Phase one,

38:30they're looking to add a 30,000 square

38:32foot addition to the existing warehouse

38:35building. And they'd also like to add a

38:40um a second phase, an additional um

38:4465,000

38:46f future square feet

38:48along right right where the mouse is is

38:50tracking on the screen right now. So um

38:54[clears throat] the um application

38:56before you this evening. Um we we're

38:59looking to

39:02basically do all the site work,

39:05excavation, land clearing and all um

39:10activities required to to perform the

39:12construction of the of the 30,000 square

39:15foot edition and also um construct the

39:19access road, the fire access road for

39:22the for the for the ultimate buildout so

39:25that we manage our disturbances all in

39:28one

39:29um construction project and then leave

39:33minimal disturbance for a phase two.

39:35That that that will occur in the future.

39:37Now, if permits expire and things

39:41change, we we likely will be back before

39:43you for the phase two, but uh you know,

39:45basically we are showing the full

39:48buildout and on these plans and it's

39:51more of a um for the benefit of the the

39:54zoning commission. We want to show show

39:56our our full plans to for the property

39:59and um and then you know if we f if we

40:02scale back we scale back but we want to

40:04show that the ultimate

40:06goal here is to build these two

40:09buildings and and at that point the

40:11property is

40:14there doesn't have any there's no other

40:16development potential in this property

40:18because there's they're you know it's a

40:20big facility already and they're adding

40:22some some square footage but this is the

40:25ultimate buildout for for the the Jeffo

40:27Fibers factory. Um I don't I don't know

40:30if everybody's familiar with what they

40:32do there. They're a um

40:35uh ma a mattress manufacturer and it's

40:38pretty benign use. They they um I know

40:41that I'm getting into the use and I I

40:43won't go crazy on that because this is

40:44the inland wetlands commission, but I

40:46want to tell you brief briefly what they

40:48do and and how how it would impact or

40:51lack of impact to the to the wetlands.

40:54that basically it's going to be a

40:55storage facility when they're said and

40:57done. Um they're [snorts] looking to

40:58take a lot of their their um mattresses

41:02are stored outside right now in in in um

41:06tractor trailers in the parking lot and

41:08they they're they're busting at the

41:10seams. They the business is good. They

41:12need they need space. So, they want to

41:14add a building and bring some of that

41:16storage into the building and also um

41:19you know lighten up their their their

41:22manufacturing floor because they're

41:23storing mattresses in the same area

41:25where they're manufacturing. So, this

41:27this new building will be strictly for

41:29storage.

41:31in terms of construction and and

41:33activities that um impact the wetlands.

41:36We there's Can can everyone see my mouse

41:39or is this something that I

41:41>> No, I I I'm sharing my screen, so Mark,

41:43if you want to direct me for I I if you

41:45want to be on a different page, we can,

41:47but

41:47>> No, no, that page is great. Um so, let's

41:50say um first I'd like to outline where

41:52the resource area is. Um the the

41:55>> Oh, the wetlands. this. Yeah, the solid

41:58blue line down the center is Peakbrook.

42:01It's a perennial stream. I've provided a

42:04125 foot um buffer zone from that. And

42:09then

42:10yes, where your mouse is is is

42:12meandering now is the edge of wetlands.

42:15And that's a flag delineated wetland

42:17that um we flagged in 2022 and then

42:21verified recently.

42:23And um the flags were originally

42:26surveyed and located by um a local

42:30engineering firm. And then we we we we

42:33did an additional topographic survey a

42:36couple of months ago, six weeks ago and

42:38and and and verified the topographic

42:41features and and the wetland flags at

42:43that time. So basically we've done two

42:45two full surveys of the property and the

42:49um the map the topographic features

42:51shown here in are are accurate. So what

42:55the um the basically the the most of the

42:59work is is in creating the fire access

43:01road. We're going to be doing cuts and

43:04fills, balancing it to to to the minimum

43:07work necessary to to um to make a gravel

43:10access road so that if if the fire

43:12department ever has to fight a fire here

43:15or get access to this building for any

43:17reason, they can drive up that red road,

43:21turn around on a on a gravel culdeac and

43:23come back out. Now, um

43:27is is basically we get close to the

43:31wetland. We're we're in the inland up

43:33the um upland review area with most of

43:37most of the fire road and part of the um

43:41phase 2 building and just a little nip

43:44of the phase one building. Just you can

43:46see in the um northwest corner of the

43:49building right there. just just inland

43:52upland review area goes into that just

43:55just a little bit. Um

43:58the there is a pipe an existing drainage

44:02pipe that that juts out into the wetland

44:05and the water coming. That's correct.

44:08And the as the wa the water that's been

44:11coming out of the drainage over the

44:12years has caused the wetland to creep up

44:16in and and and and exit, you know, make

44:19a make a little um a jetty, if you will,

44:21out into into the site. If that drainage

44:24wasn't there, I think that we wouldn't

44:26have any filling of the wetland or any

44:28impact to this wetland at all for this

44:30work. Uh we'd be able to um put up an

44:33erosion control barrier, stay out of the

44:35stay out of the resource, do the work,

44:38stabilize and and have zero impact. Now,

44:41that being said, when to build this fire

44:44access and stay outside of the phase 2,

44:47we're going to have to extend the pipe,

44:49the drainage pipe that is our our

44:51drainage outlet and move it out towards

44:54the wetland a little bit and

44:56[clears throat] move that head wall out.

44:57And that technically is

45:02um impact to the wetland and and filling

45:05of what you call a resource area. I

45:08don't I don't see it as a a swamp or a

45:11marsh or any high high value resource,

45:14but it technically meets the definition

45:17of a wetland because of the plants and

45:18the hydraology and and the topography.

45:21So, um you know, in full disclosure,

45:23there is a couple hundred square feet of

45:26of of um of impact that that is proposed

45:29as part of this project. Now, um

45:32>> I'm sorry. Wait, Mark, can you stop?

45:33>> Of course. Of course. Yes, sir.

45:35>> So, there's and I'm sorry, Mr. if I

45:37might jump in.

45:38>> Go ahead. Go ahead.

45:39>> Um, so in in Massachusetts, wetlands are

45:41defined slightly differently than in in

45:43uh Connecticut. In Connecticut, it's

45:45entirely soil based. In Massachusetts,

45:47obviously, there's vegetation and and

45:49some of the topography at uh at hand.

45:52So, if all you're disturbing is outside

45:55the delineated area, it's not

45:58necessarily wetlands um just by virtue

46:00of vegetation. It's really soils based.

46:03>> Oh, that's very helpful. Yeah. and and

46:04and um

46:07so you know is there hydric soils

46:11that were man-made from the from the

46:14from the pipe um that in the outlet of

46:17the pipe? I I I don't think so. I think

46:19the hydric soils are out. And if you if

46:22you look at wetland flag, let me let me

46:24zoom in on my own map so I can I can be

46:27accurate here. If we drew a line from

46:29wetland flag um 312 to 317

46:35that that this that's that's where I

46:37think the wetland um the natural wetland

46:42was and and the flags that go up to the

46:45pipe. Um

46:47you know I I think when we auger there

46:51it's it's it's grally stuff. I don't see

46:53it as black and and hydric like like the

46:56like the swamp wetland that that the

46:57rest of the wetland that's associated

47:00with Peak Brook is. So

47:01>> flags 12 to 17 are right over here.

47:04>> Um

47:05>> so this is looks like it's here's 12

47:08>> um

47:09>> 13 14 15 and then this looks like 17.

47:11>> Corre correct. Correct.

47:13>> So um so we're being ultraconservative

47:16showing that right to the right to the

47:18pipe. Um and if so I I leave it to the

47:23to the committee if commission if you'd

47:26like to see any um replication or

47:28restoration of of that wetland somewhere

47:31else. I think it might be more harm than

47:33good to dig and impact the edge of the

47:35wetland in a different area. Um so right

47:38now we don't have any proposed

47:41replication. We're just looking to fill

47:42that. I think I' I've got it labeled as

47:46um

47:48um

47:50>> it's like below 200 square feet.

47:53>> Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And this my map I'm

47:56looking at says 500, but when I when I

47:58calculated it in AutoCAD, it's it's it's

48:01under 200

48:02>> 280.

48:05>> Yeah. Yes. Yes. 280. and and that so the

48:08original um drawing someone asked for

48:12500 but the 280 is what what AutoCAD's

48:16area calculation across those those

48:19green lines um

48:22create. So uh I I um I I I I think we

48:27can

48:29if we filled that in I don't I don't see

48:31any imp any any impact to the main

48:33wetland. But I again that's not my call.

48:35That's up to up to the commission to

48:37decide if you'd like to see replication

48:39or not, but we we're not proposing any

48:41at this time.

48:44>> Well, at the the moment, since it's a

48:46full application for permit, we can only

48:49accept it tonight and we'd have to

48:51discuss it and vote on it uh or at least

48:55more discuss it next next meeting,

48:58November.

48:59>> Fair enough.

49:00>> Okay. Um,

49:02>> I Bill, sorry, Storm Pasley here. I I

49:06have a little I've had a little uh

49:12trouble, not trouble, but I'm I'm still

49:15a little confused about what's going on

49:16in that green.

49:18What

49:21>> line

49:23>> through the chair? What's your question,

49:24sir?

49:25>> Uh, I'm not sure. We've got a pipe

49:28coming out. That's a drainage pipe.

49:31Okay. So, ba so basically if if you look

49:34at um where it's labeled 12-inch PVC,

49:38>> right?

49:39>> And it stops right in the middle of the

49:41the proposed road. That's where the

49:43existing pipe is. And so we we need to

49:46extend that pipe out and out of the um

49:49proposed access road and beyond it a few

49:52feet and put a head wall in. And that's

49:54and then and then grade 3 to one off the

49:57edge of the road.

49:59>> And so it it's proposed to end right

50:01here at wetland flag uh 317 basically.

50:06>> Yes. If you if can you go to a grading

50:09page that's a facilities page. So

50:11there's no um could you go to page um

50:16either um

50:18three or or four of six

50:24it'll show a little better. There you

50:26go. If you can zoom in on that. Um,

50:32f I'm sorry. Five five five

50:36of five of eight is got is good or good.

50:41>> I don't know if this has the full plan

50:43set.

50:46>> Yeah, you do. That that that's all of

50:48them. So, yeah, that's the sheet. So,

50:50zoom in on it there. You can see better

50:52what what what's going on. Um so

50:55basically the green lines are are are

50:58proposed grades and the dark and the

51:01black dotted lines are existing grades.

51:04So they where they meet is is the limit

51:06of work and that and that's a 3 to1

51:09slope that's required to so that we

51:12don't have a cliff off the edge of the

51:13of the road. Okay, that helps.

51:16>> And it goes to daylight and then the

51:18green pipe goes through the green lines

51:21and out to out to and and discharges to

51:24to to you know basically take that water

51:28out another you know 40 ft or so to so

51:33really in terms of um the drainage it's

51:36it's we're not creating a new point

51:38source discharge. We're just moving it

51:39out and so that we have room to build

51:41the access road. So the same

51:44[clears throat]

51:44>> same same same drainage we have now is

51:46going to the same place. We're just

51:48extending the pipe.

51:50>> Mark, so the the extension of the PVC

51:54pipe is going to be put in to go out

51:57almost to Peak Brook.

52:00>> Um

52:01>> and and the road the the the pink

52:04speckled road is going to go over that

52:06pipe.

52:08>> Correct.

52:08>> What is the speckled road made of? Is

52:11that paved? Is it gravel? Is it

52:14>> gravel?

52:14>> It's just gravel.

52:16>> Gravel. Okay.

52:19How How deep is the pipe going to be?

52:21Actually, it's going half over the the

52:24old blue pipe and half over the green

52:26pipe.

52:27>> Yes. So, the blue pipe is where it is

52:29now and the green pipe is the proposed

52:31pipe.

52:32>> Right.

52:33>> So, we're just we're adding pipe to to

52:35to to extend it. And um

52:40that's the existing drainage system and

52:42it's it's collecting you know runoff

52:45from the site catch basins what

52:47whatever's going on now to collect water

52:49and very I don't I I've been there I

52:51haven't seen any major flow coming out

52:53of it but you know it's an existing

52:55existing drain pipe so we we're we're

52:57maintaining it in in place

53:00>> but what you've got there has never been

53:02driven on by

53:06a heavy fire truck for example.

53:09>> Um let's look at the existing conditions

53:12sheet. There is a fire road there now.

53:14It's just it's not as extensive. Um let

53:17me look back to the existing conditions

53:20>> sheet on my end.

53:25Um, so if you look at page two,

53:32is that a different PVC pipe

53:36that's right in the middle of that page?

53:38>> No, it's the same one. This is existing

53:40condition. So,

53:42>> this purple right here, Mark, is

53:45>> Yeah.

53:47>> Yes, it is.

53:49>> Okay.

53:49>> And I only showed the pipe, you know,

53:52see it does it continues. It's just I if

53:55you can see I put little little zigzag

53:56on it right there. So that pipe does go

53:59under the under the the existing fire

54:01the exist it's they don't call it fire

54:03road that's what it's for. It's a gravel

54:05drive that goes to the back of the site

54:07and actually this it goes right through

54:08the wetland. We're we're we're bringing

54:10it in tighter so that to minimize impact

54:14and bring it closer to the building turn

54:16around but there is a pathway now that

54:18that that goes between the tree line and

54:20goes over that pipe. So they're not

54:22they're not using that that as a road

54:25per se now. It's just

54:27>> sort of a dirt way

54:29>> only that no one's using it but I my I

54:33venture to guess if there was an

54:34emergency that's what it's for. uh you

54:37know and and we

54:39>> you know when I drove to survey I used

54:41that path and I drove on it and it's

54:43hard pack and it's it's it's stable and

54:46[sighs]

54:47there's so um

54:51but we certainly could

54:54verify that that pipe I think I know

54:56what you're going with that that we

54:59could be you know we could verify the

55:00depth of the pipe and and make sure that

55:02it'll stand up to H20 loading so that

55:04we're not crushing it with future truck

55:07if I can read [clears throat] into your

55:09to your comment. I I understand you

55:12>> Kathleen Stewart here just just to

55:14clarify that's that's part of the code

55:16building code requirement to allow uh uh

55:22fire safety equipment to access

55:25>> okay

55:25>> 360 degrees of a building.

55:27>> So the existing the existing driveway

55:30you can see comes back here that's sort

55:31of a gravel road and then it goes up in

55:33here.

55:34>> Yeah.

55:35>> Right. Right. And and so we'll improve

55:37that, modify it, improve it, make it a

55:40little more formal and make make sure

55:42that there's a um you know, if there's

55:45if there's a fire and they need to fight

55:47the fire from that side, they can get

55:48back there and and and take care of it.

55:50Now, um that being said, Jeffco is very

55:53serious about their their fire

55:55protection system. They have their own

55:58um water tower. They have their fire

56:00pumps. They have fire um sprinkler

56:03systems within the building. It's all

56:05maintained professionally. They um

56:08they're actually putting um significant

56:10money into the u maintenance and upgrade

56:13of the of the of the their water system

56:16now. They're they're um maintaining the

56:18tank and

56:20and um so this is part and parcel to the

56:24to the to the fire safety of of the of

56:27the entire facility.

56:29Do they make any mattresses that I would

56:32be familiar with the names, you know?

56:35>> Uh um I I think yeah, I I think they

56:38make mattresses for all major

56:40manufacturers. They they're a um Yeah,

56:42they're pretty pretty um

56:45>> pretty pretty pretty big company.

56:48>> Yeah. Yeah. They're they're also in um

56:51Webster, Mass, and Worcester Mass. There

56:54three divisions and they make the fibers

56:57for my pillow that

57:00>> Oh, really?

57:01>> Yeah. Yeah. And then um

57:04you know if I I I want to say

57:06>> grew those in a swamp somewhere. No.

57:10>> What's that?

57:11>> I thought he grew those in a swamp

57:13somewhere. The

57:14>> Well, you know, some everything starts

57:16somewhere. But when these companies

57:18grow, they they they Jeffco is um

57:21they're Oh, and they

57:22>> that's just foam. I mean, they don't

57:24make the foam in Woodstock, do they?

57:27>> I you know, um I think they I think they

57:30have a machine that makes the pillows

57:32and everything in Woodstock. Yes, they

57:34they um they have um another facility in

57:38Milbury, Mass also. So they four four

57:40four four four four four four four four

57:41four four four four four four four four

57:41four four four four four four four four

57:41four four four four um

57:42>> four locations and and uh the company

57:45was founded by um Jeff's

57:49mother and father almost um I want to

57:52say 75 years ago and and um Blanch

57:57Blanch Long is the founder and she named

58:00it after her son Jeff um she's still

58:03alive she's um an amazing woman I I met

58:07her I've been doing their site work in

58:09and their engineering since the '9s. And

58:12we we did three auditions for them in in

58:14Webster. We worked on the Milbury

58:17facility. We we looked into doing

58:18something in Worcester, but never never

58:21um never did it. So, um I I remember

58:24when they bought this property and it's

58:28we've been talking about an addition

58:30here for years, but they're finally at

58:32the point where they're they're running

58:34out of space and and it's becoming a

58:36reality. So, uh, we were going to come

58:38before you in 2022. They got put on hold

58:41and so now now it's back back and and,

58:45um, you know, I I I'm not saying it's

58:48100% that they'll build this, but I feel

58:52like if the budget meets what they what

58:56you know, they they're working on some

58:59performing out and if it comes meets

59:01their their goals, I I think they will

59:03go forward and build this. But they they

59:06have released us to do the permitting

59:08and and do the engineering and and you

59:10know get all the get all the permits for

59:12it. So I I I I think I I don't want to

59:16say that they are 100% ready to build,

59:19but I I think they're very, you know,

59:22it's 95 90% chance that they've had

59:25serious serious meetings this time

59:27around. And I and they've last time they

59:29didn't give us the gohead to go to the

59:31board. So we we've had I drew these

59:33plans in 2022 and and and then held on

59:36to them for all this time and now they

59:38brought us back and said now we want to

59:40go forward. So I I I do believe it'll it

59:43may happen now.

59:47But it's a it's a they're they're um

59:51they're you know they run a tight ship.

59:53It's it's pretty cool. You go in there,

59:55they they can get a mattress into a they

59:58pack it down to um about a tenth of the

1:00:02size of the mattress. When they when

1:00:04they ship it, it's it's amazing. When

1:00:05they cut it open, it pops out of out of

1:00:08the bag and big grows. It's they they've

1:00:12got a

1:00:13>> they've got it down and they they can

1:00:15make and on the pillow side, they make a

1:00:17pillow every I want to say every, you

1:00:19know, 20 seconds a pillow comes out of

1:00:22the out of the machine. So, it's it's

1:00:23it's pretty

1:00:25>> pretty amazing the equipment they have.

1:00:30>> Big market for it.

1:00:32>> Yeah. Yeah. I I know that the builder I

1:00:34work with bought bought a mattress from

1:00:36them and and and and he he was looking

1:00:39for a mattress. He called Jeff. He said,

1:00:40"Can you help me?" And he got a mattress

1:00:42for, you know, $800 that he would had to

1:00:45buy buy for $2,000 at a mattress store.

1:00:48and

1:00:49>> he showed up at the house and just like

1:00:50I said, it was in the bag packed down to

1:00:52one/10enth the side. They cut it open

1:00:54and boom, popped right open.

1:00:56>> Yeah.

1:00:57>> But it but they they make they they

1:00:59don't just make the phone. They they

1:01:00actually make the mattresses right to

1:01:02completion. And in this in this building

1:01:05where um it's connected to over at um

1:01:09the the brick the big the beautiful

1:01:11brick office building. When you walk

1:01:13through there there's they've got a

1:01:14showroom and samples of the mattresses

1:01:17and and but this office was it was a

1:01:22different facility and they're just

1:01:24finally growing into the offices and and

1:01:27using it all and and uh but the but the

1:01:30warehouse is at capacity. So that's that

1:01:33why we're why we're before you. They

1:01:35really need need the space badly.

1:01:39>> Uh Bill Ritzky, I only have one uh

1:01:43question or request and that is that

1:01:47somewhere we have some delineation that

1:01:50this is

1:01:52uh site work for the proposed

1:01:55full extent.

1:01:57that's deemed possible on that site

1:02:01because it could get confusing part uh

1:02:03phase one. Are we just approving phase

1:02:06one of you know 30,000 ft of 95,000

1:02:11or you know in how many phases? Um so if

1:02:14we had somewhere a note that says this

1:02:17provides the future expansion or the the

1:02:20uh full potential expansion of the site

1:02:24that is proposed for the future.

1:02:27>> Absolutely. Yes sir. Um so right if you

1:02:30look at sheet four um there it does

1:02:35label phase one and phase two. Um, we we

1:02:39could add some notes that that that to

1:02:41to that effect that say um

1:02:46>> it's our opinion that this is the full

1:02:48buildout for for the for the parcel. You

1:02:50know, it the owner did ask me, he says,

1:02:53"I got all this land. What can I do with

1:02:55it?" I says, "Really? Nothing. This that

1:02:57the stream goes through it as wetlands

1:02:59on the other side. They don't have um

1:03:02roadway access to the other side of the

1:03:04stream. So, um I mean, could they build

1:03:07something on lot 16A in the front off on

1:03:12Peak Book Brook Road? Yes, there's room

1:03:15for for buildings, but that is outside

1:03:17of the the the the um up in review area.

1:03:22And so, I don't want to say that they

1:03:25can never build anything else on the

1:03:26land, but this is for [snorts] lot I'll

1:03:30say lot 16A. This is the full build out.

1:03:34>> So this Mark, if I'm correct, the the

1:03:37heavy purple line here is phase one.

1:03:40>> Yes.

1:03:40>> Which is about a 28,000 foot addition.

1:03:43>> Phase two is this rectangle that's

1:03:45outlined in sort of a tan color.

1:03:48>> That's right.

1:03:48>> Um which is an additional 65,000 square

1:03:50feet or 66,000 square feet.

1:03:53>> That's phase phase two.

1:03:55>> Yes. And and if you will go back there,

1:03:57you can see that it's pretty much it's

1:04:01it's almost at grade now. You know,

1:04:05there isn't like there's not going to be

1:04:07a lot of earth work for the building.

1:04:10It's going to be a little bit to make

1:04:11the access road and the the major

1:04:14earthwork will be for phase one because

1:04:17to to to

1:04:20build phase one up to grade there's like

1:04:23right now it's at 306

1:04:26and finished floors at 314. Now we'll

1:04:28have docks that come in. So they they'll

1:04:31have to fill

1:04:33it's a good size fill to to create the

1:04:3628,000t building. the um

1:04:39and there's a little bit of a cut to

1:04:41create the the the 95 the 60,000 square

1:04:45foot building but it um

1:04:49you know a lot I I shouldn't say that

1:04:51half about half of the 60,000 square

1:04:54foot building is that grade the rest of

1:04:55it it it will be a cut

1:04:58>> there's a little bit of a knob a little

1:04:59bit of a knob right over here

1:05:01>> yes yes that's correct

1:05:05nice map that's good yeah So um so

1:05:07that's so basically what we're trying to

1:05:09do with this is

1:05:12avoid having

1:05:15you know a a building

1:05:18and site work and then a building and

1:05:21site work and have stockpiles and yeah

1:05:23we wanted to make bring the site to the

1:05:25grade the ultimate shape that it's going

1:05:28to be for for for phase one and phase

1:05:31two and then if they ever build the

1:05:33second building it it won't be there

1:05:36won't be major earthworks. They'll just

1:05:38be have to go in and entrench to put

1:05:40footings in and and build the building.

1:05:42But the the everything will be flat and

1:05:44and

1:05:46that road will that that fire road will

1:05:49will have access to the where the

1:05:51building's going to be phase two.

1:05:58Now, um, and and again, I I certainly

1:06:00can put notes on the plan to that effect

1:06:02that this this is the um this that the

1:06:06the project before you is um represents

1:06:11the the the full buildout of um parcel

1:06:1416A. I I'll I'll reserve the front one.

1:06:1816

1:06:20A3

1:06:21is there's a big field over by the road.

1:06:24And the reason they don't want to do

1:06:25anything there is because it's all

1:06:26residential and they they don't want to

1:06:28they want to keep the like right now

1:06:30when they put the factory

1:06:33attach the factory to the factory and if

1:06:35there was warehouse put behind the

1:06:36factory no one will that like they'll be

1:06:39like it's no impact to to the

1:06:41neighborhood. They won't see that at

1:06:43all. It'll just blend right in with the

1:06:45with they are all the the industrial

1:06:48activity that they already have going

1:06:49on. But if they put it in the front out

1:06:52by Peak Book Road, then it's all

1:06:56residential neighborhood there. They

1:06:57would it would it, you know, it's it's

1:06:59really it when you pull in and drive

1:07:01around that that rotary, it it it looks

1:07:04like almost like a like a school or a or

1:07:07a um municipal building. It's it's it's

1:07:10a majestic building and it's not the

1:07:12place for for the warehouse. the

1:07:13warehouse. They want to keep the

1:07:15warehouse behind the warehouse. And

1:07:16that's and and that's out of respect for

1:07:18the community, but for their own needs,

1:07:22they also need it to be connected to the

1:07:23warehouse because their for workflow and

1:07:26and and you know, utilities, electrical,

1:07:29the all the all their their their um

1:07:35um trailer access, it's all connected.

1:07:37So they want to just build the building

1:07:39right next to the other building and and

1:07:41and and keep keep the keep it all in one

1:07:45place.

1:07:46>> Good.

1:07:47>> I have one question. Um is there any

1:07:50septic associated with these buildings?

1:07:53>> So at there is a septic system right now

1:07:57and it's all the way out front and they

1:08:00pump to it. um if they they right now do

1:08:04not have any bathrooms proposed in the

1:08:0730,000 or 28,000 square foot edition. If

1:08:12through um

1:08:14for any reason they they need to add a

1:08:17bathroom to that then there would be I

1:08:20think the right thing to do is design a

1:08:22small septic system near that building

1:08:25just for that bathroom and and and and

1:08:29not add on to the other septic system

1:08:31because the other septic systems is is

1:08:34existing we don't know its capacity I we

1:08:37don't want to overwhelm it with with

1:08:39addition flows. So if we if we do put a

1:08:41bathroom in in phase one, then we'll

1:08:45design a septic system for that. And it

1:08:49would probably go um there's a spot

1:08:53outside of the upland review area. Um

1:08:56let me let me see. Right. Right. Right.

1:08:58I don't again my mouse is just on the

1:09:01outside of the access road. um between

1:09:06the Upland Riv area and the and the and

1:09:08the access road, there's there's an area

1:09:10big enough for a small legion field down

1:09:13gradient from the building,

1:09:15>> but at this time there's no we do not

1:09:17have a subject system of

1:09:18>> and also in in theory, Crabtree Lane is

1:09:21is on the sewer line also.

1:09:24>> Okay.

1:09:24>> So, it's going to

1:09:28>> Oh, and I we didn't realize that. And so

1:09:32if it would be quite a sewer connection,

1:09:35but

1:09:36we we could pump to the sewer and

1:09:39connect to

1:09:40>> if the if the existing septic system is

1:09:42functioning, there's there's, you know,

1:09:43no reason to hook it up. But yeah, for

1:09:45expansion purposes, but that's that's

1:09:47entirely outside the purview of this.

1:09:49>> I and I didn't know that and thank you

1:09:50for bringing that to my attention

1:09:53because I know we um we would love to

1:09:55have public water and it's it's just not

1:09:57there. It's it's it's about a half a

1:10:00mile up the road in Thompson and um

1:10:04they've talked about it, but it's it's

1:10:06quite the undertaking to tie into the

1:10:09water system. So, they're this and they

1:10:12and they're they have their own water

1:10:14system and it's working for them. So,

1:10:15they they're they're going to keep that

1:10:19and maintain that and and continue to

1:10:21use their own water system. They have a

1:10:23a major well and a they have their own

1:10:26their own um reservoir tank. I mean,

1:10:29it's like a they have their own water

1:10:31system.

1:10:32>> So, you're almost you're almost

1:10:33literally next door to the Putinham WPCA

1:10:38uh water intake.

1:10:40>> Yes, it's it's it but it's but it's it's

1:10:43a you know, it's a half a mile up the

1:10:45road in the across the river and it's

1:10:47probably a a million dollar water

1:10:50connection to bring it up the road. So,

1:10:52they're going to spend $75,000

1:10:55um maintaining that that water tank now.

1:10:57So, that the numbers don't quite work to

1:11:00to hook up to to water. So, this time

1:11:03there isn't that where they isn't that

1:11:05where they just put a new bridge or did

1:11:07some big thing with the road there

1:11:10>> right in front of them.

1:11:12>> You could be right. I I [clears throat]

1:11:13when I went in there, I saw when it does

1:11:16go over a river coming in in Thompson.

1:11:20[sighs] Um but if you if you look at the

1:11:22plan and I it's we're out we're just

1:11:25talking we're outside of the the the

1:11:29um wetlands or the inland wetlands

1:11:32jurisdiction but I just want you to know

1:11:34what's going on. If you look at the the

1:11:36back of the um back of the site the

1:11:39north part that circle that's their

1:11:42water tank and right right there John

1:11:44circle that's their that's their their

1:11:47reservoir tank. It's about 60 ft high

1:11:49and 60 foot diameter.

1:11:51>> Wow.

1:11:52>> Okay.

1:11:53>> So, they have sufficient water for fire

1:11:55protection with that. You know, they

1:11:57they have a a hardy well. They keep that

1:12:00reservoir. There it is right there. So,

1:12:01they keep that tank full and um that

1:12:04gives them the head to to to to

1:12:07um for their sprinkler systems to have

1:12:10capacity to to put out the fires if

1:12:12they're they haven't had fires, but they

1:12:14they are in compliance. if they their

1:12:16fire protection engineers have designed

1:12:18fire um sprinkler systems that that are

1:12:22adequate for this with their with their

1:12:23own water system.

1:12:26>> Mark, do you have any idea how many

1:12:28people work there? [sighs and gasps]

1:12:30>> Uh I want to say I'll I'll get you a

1:12:33better answer and I'll and that question

1:12:35I'm sure will come up at planning and

1:12:36zoning and I need to get an answer for

1:12:38that. I want to say there's probably 20

1:12:40office staff and uh maybe about twice as

1:12:43many um employees in in the in the

1:12:46warehouse, but I'll get an accurate

1:12:48answer for that.

1:12:48>> That that's okay. I I I

1:12:51>> No, it's a good question and I should

1:12:52know that because I think they'll

1:12:54that'll probably be asked that at

1:12:55planning and zoning. So, I'm going to

1:12:57find out.

1:12:59>> Okay. Well, at this point, I think we

1:13:01could entertain a motion.

1:13:06I'll make a motion that we accept this

1:13:10uh

1:13:14>> application number 09-26-02.

1:13:21>> Thank you, John. I make a motion we

1:13:23approve that.

1:13:24>> Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Accept and and

1:13:27table for discussion.

1:13:28>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Accept.

1:13:30>> I like the first motion, but I know it's

1:13:32not possible. [laughter] No, it's all

1:13:34good. It's all good.

1:13:35>> Long day. Long day. Good.

1:13:36>> It's all It's all good. We We'll be

1:13:38patient. It's not No rush. Thank you

1:13:40very much.

1:13:43>> Yeah. I make the motion that we accept

1:13:45that uh application for uh review and

1:13:49determination.

1:13:53>> I second.

1:13:55>> Okay. A motion by Stuart Peasley, second

1:13:59by Kathy Barrack to accept application

1:14:0209-26-02

1:14:05for 29 Crab Tree Lane for Jeffco Fibers

1:14:09new warehouse building in the upland

1:14:11review area for site work for the

1:14:15proposed

1:14:16uh new

1:14:18uh warehouse extension and for future

1:14:22expansion. Any

1:14:27further questions, comments?

1:14:30All those in favor signify by saying I.

1:14:33>> I.

1:14:33>> I.

1:14:35>> Anybody opposed? Any abstain? Okay, the

1:14:38motion passes.

1:14:40So, we'll give it another review next

1:14:42month. And uh

1:14:46>> Okay. Very good. Let me know before the

1:14:49meeting if you need any any revisions.

1:14:51I'd be glad to to to provide additional

1:14:53information and I I thank you all for

1:14:55your time tonight. It's been a pleasure.

1:14:57We'll see you at the next meeting.

1:14:59>> Thanks for your effort.

1:15:00>> Thank you.

1:15:00>> Thank you. Good night. Now,

1:15:02>> good night.

1:15:03>> Good night.

1:15:07>> Okay, let's move on to administrative

1:15:10business wetlands agent report.

1:15:13>> Okay, I submitted my agent report. Um

1:15:16nothing too particularly um

1:15:19earthshattering. uh what you're working

1:15:21with the the current uh applicants to

1:15:24get information um and you know the the

1:15:28the um crab lane Jeffco fibers one has

1:15:31also submitted a special permit

1:15:32application so working with him on that

1:15:34end um the um the uh citation ordinance

1:15:40that again um members of this agency

1:15:43were involved in but did not include uh

1:15:45wetlands enforcement um citations was

1:15:48approved by town meeting uh I believe

1:15:50last week. Um we did uh been been

1:15:55tracking I' I received a lot of

1:15:57questions um by passers by people

1:15:59driving up and down 171 wondering about

1:16:01Jeff uh I mean Josh Pratt's project on

1:16:04Basset Hill Road because I'm sure if

1:16:05you've driven by you see it's it's you

1:16:07know substantial uh excavation related

1:16:09mounds but uh he's he's on track. Um,

1:16:14I'd also note that uh in consultation

1:16:16with Chairman Rowinsky, and he can talk

1:16:18about this a little bit more later, um,

1:16:20we issued um, an administrative notice

1:16:23that, uh, there were some proposed

1:16:26changes, uh, basically scaling back of

1:16:29the proposal at Scranton Village Shops.

1:16:32Um, that changed the activity in the

1:16:36Upland Review area, uh, but actually

1:16:38scaled it back and and planning and

1:16:39zoning ended up approving that last

1:16:41week. uh in a special meeting. Um so we

1:16:43just confirmed that the impact was

1:16:45lesser than that. Um the the wetlands

1:16:48agency approved a couple of months ago.

1:16:51Um and that's you know principally

1:16:54principally it nothing nothing too uh

1:16:56earthshattering happening over the last

1:16:58couple of weeks.

1:17:00John, I have a question. Sto there uh on

1:17:04the

1:17:08is it plat what's uh Josh uh

1:17:11>> Josh Pratt

1:17:13>> um on that project I'm just curious we

1:17:15we never talked about where all that

1:17:17overburden is being taken to. Is it

1:17:20staying on site or is it being removed?

1:17:24>> Uh I think it's a combination. Uh he's

1:17:26he's redistributing some of it and I

1:17:28think some is going off site.

1:17:30>> Okay. Do they know where have they said

1:17:32where is it that part of the

1:17:33application?

1:17:34>> Uh no neither.

1:17:40>> Think he's had issues with getting

1:17:42people to take it.

1:17:45>> Oh really?

1:17:47>> We may just have a landscape there.

1:17:50[laughter]

1:17:52I know that's usually a question that

1:17:53comes up in our conversations. Where

1:17:56where if you're having a dispersal,

1:17:59where is it going?

1:18:02>> Yeah. Well, I don't think we know that.

1:18:03And

1:18:05>> yeah, unless it was part of the original

1:18:07was part of the original approval, but

1:18:08nothing has has changed as far as I'm

1:18:10aware.

1:18:10>> Yeah.

1:18:13So, and if it's long as it's dewatered

1:18:16basically, then it's fine to go

1:18:18wherever.

1:18:20Okay. Any correspondence, John? Uh

1:18:23>> uh no, no correspondence of of note.

1:18:26>> Financial report.

1:18:29>> Basically,

1:18:30uh we have one more legal notice that uh

1:18:34I just approved for last week, but

1:18:35that's not covered in there. So, there's

1:18:38another forget whether it's 40 250 or

1:18:41something like that that's

1:18:43>> come out of the the notices. Uh, is

1:18:47there any

1:18:48um

1:18:50do we know what the situation is with

1:18:53the khakiwick membership, John

1:18:56>> Nico?

1:18:57>> No, we haven't uh we haven't received

1:18:59any any invoices.

1:19:05>> Okay. So, we don't really know if we

1:19:07have an active membership then.

1:19:10>> I don't I No, I don't. Um

1:19:12>> Okay. And I think I I apologize if that

1:19:14if that was something I was intended to

1:19:16follow up on. I I can can do that. I

1:19:19don't recall that that was a todo, but I

1:19:21can follow up.

1:19:23>> Yeah.

1:19:23>> If you wouldn't mind uh

1:19:26>> following up uh

1:19:27>> Yep.

1:19:28>> AC either across the hall or

1:19:30conservation or they must have the the

1:19:33records across the hall.

1:19:34>> Okay, I'll check.

1:19:36>> Yeah.

1:19:38Okay. Thank you.

1:19:40uh

1:19:44draft IWWA forms and we have a set that

1:19:50is currently before us in our package.

1:19:54We could just go through try to go

1:19:56through these three and see if there's

1:19:59something else you want to change. So

1:20:01basically you have a red letter page and

1:20:06then you have the same page without red

1:20:09letter how it would look as a final

1:20:11document.

1:20:12>> This is for the extension.

1:20:14>> Yeah. So I don't know if anybody's had

1:20:18chance to look at those and uh whether

1:20:19you have any

1:20:21uh thoughts or opinions on those.

1:20:25I I have a

1:20:28question.

1:20:30>> Go ahead.

1:20:32>> It it seems to be consistent throughout.

1:20:35Uh what what's the relationship

1:20:41um between the permittee and the owner?

1:20:46And are we

1:20:47>> the owner? Is the permittee doesn't have

1:20:49to be the owner to the property.

1:20:52The permittee could be a contractor or a

1:20:56family member that's overseeing the

1:20:58project. Uh, but the land owner does not

1:21:01have to be the permittee, but the land

1:21:04owner usually has to be on record.

1:21:06>> So, the land owner's

1:21:11record

1:21:13on the is not on this application.

1:21:18It's only the permitting.

1:21:26That's my question.

1:21:29>> Yeah, I guess we don't have that on

1:21:31there.

1:21:32>> And and

1:21:33>> although although let me tell you this

1:21:36is we're looking at request for permit

1:21:38extension right now,

1:21:40>> right? So no, it's no new activity. It's

1:21:42just timing and so that would have to be

1:21:44requested by the permit.

1:21:46Yeah. So, we we're going to have a a

1:21:49reference for permit number on the upper

1:21:51left there. Permit information, the

1:21:53permittee name.

1:21:55So, all of that information should be on

1:21:58record unless the property owner

1:22:01changes.

1:22:04>> That's where there's a lack of

1:22:05consistency and could be some

1:22:09possibility for an error.

1:22:11>> Well, we have we have a separate form

1:22:13for we have a separate form for

1:22:14transfer.

1:22:18That's third one.

1:22:20>> I just I just raised that as a question

1:22:22because if in fact there are problems

1:22:26then who has responsibility?

1:22:29>> Well, the permit always has

1:22:30responsibility. If there's a new owner

1:22:32and you wish to transfer the permit,

1:22:33then you would do a a a permit transfer

1:22:35form, not an extension form.

1:22:40>> But ultimately, you could end up doing

1:22:42both, but you'd have to do the transfer

1:22:44first. and then the extension.

1:22:47>> But only only the permit only the

1:22:50permite can speak for the permit and

1:22:52request the the extension.

1:22:54>> What if what if the permit does not act

1:22:57responsibly to the owner and the

1:23:00>> that's between the own that's between

1:23:01the owner and the permit

1:23:02>> but the owner is liable.

1:23:05>> Uh

1:23:07>> depends.

1:23:08>> Yeah, it depends. I

1:23:10>> that's that's the question that

1:23:12>> but that's a that's a legal question

1:23:14between the permit and the owner. We

1:23:16would go from an enforcement standpoint

1:23:17we would go after the permite.

1:23:20>> Yeah, that would be a civil action

1:23:22between the permite and the owner.

1:23:26>> Is there anything negative about adding

1:23:28the name of the owner to this as well?

1:23:31>> Yeah, that's that's what I'm trying to

1:23:33get to.

1:23:35Why not have the owner on on this? So it

1:23:38clarifies that it we're in a gray area.

1:23:43Why why have that should black and

1:23:45white?

1:23:48>> Well, you technically

1:23:50>> you're you're kind of not in a gray area

1:23:52unless you unless you step into the gray

1:23:54area, which is what you're doing.

1:23:56>> You have you have the permit number and

1:23:57the permitting name

1:24:00>> and you have a record there to go back

1:24:03to.

1:24:06What if we change ownership during the

1:24:08process?

1:24:10>> Then it's up to then it's up to the

1:24:12permit or andor the new owner to handle

1:24:15the the permit transfer paperwork.

1:24:21>> Yeah. I I just

1:24:24would feel more comfortable if the

1:24:25owner's name was invol involved.

1:24:29>> Well, it looks like there's plenty of

1:24:31room to put it in there. I mean, we're

1:24:32talking about

1:24:34I guess you'd have to put in their

1:24:36address, too. The property could be on

1:24:40Main Street and and the the

1:24:43you know, the person could live in in

1:24:46I don't know, South something street.

1:24:49So, you'd probably want to have their

1:24:53name and address. But there there seems

1:24:56it looks like there's enough.

1:25:02Or you could put it at the bottom.

1:25:05>> Well, to me, if uh

1:25:10if this was coming before us or becoming

1:25:13before Jean, then

1:25:17you would need to have that background

1:25:19information for what the project was and

1:25:22who the parties involved before you

1:25:25would want to make a a decision of any

1:25:28kind. Anyways, so whether it would be an

1:25:31addendum of the original permit

1:25:33application or what was originally

1:25:36approved, you would want to have that

1:25:38information. I believe anyways, you

1:25:41wouldn't just come with this form and

1:25:43say, I want to do this

1:25:45and that's the end of it. That's the way

1:25:47I see it. John, do you How about you?

1:25:50>> I I would tend to agree, but I you know,

1:25:53again, if we want to ask for more

1:25:55information that that's fine. It it it's

1:25:57just a matter of I don't know.

1:26:01>> Well, we can discuss it some more next

1:26:03time. We don't have to approve these

1:26:05tonight. This is just the latest draft.

1:26:09Uh

1:26:11>> my my my uh the key word for me would be

1:26:15that there be a maintenance of

1:26:18consistency in the process. And just

1:26:22having the absence of the owner's name

1:26:24leads an opening. That's all.

1:26:27and you've got answers for it, but there

1:26:29could always be a question that might

1:26:32not be answerable.

1:26:34And just putting the name in there seals

1:26:36it up,

1:26:38>> right? Well, I mean, what if you have

1:26:39two What if you have two owners that

1:26:41that are the children of an inheritance

1:26:43and they don't get along? Who Who's

1:26:44responsible, Steu?

1:26:45>> Well, that's that becomes a legal

1:26:47matter. That's

1:26:48>> exactly which is the case of a an owner

1:26:49and a permit.

1:26:51>> No, I I don't agree. the permite and and

1:26:55the owner in many situations depending

1:26:58on the authority having jurisdiction if

1:27:00they're not on the same page when that

1:27:02can happen an awful lot of times

1:27:06almost more than 50% of the time an

1:27:08owner is not

1:27:11really clued into what the peri is doing

1:27:16>> happens all the time so I think that it

1:27:19would be wise

1:27:22to keep them in the loop.

1:27:25>> So, you're saying having the owner's

1:27:28name and having them sign off also?

1:27:32>> Yes.

1:27:33>> Okay.

1:27:35>> Well,

1:27:37>> I can forward that uh comment to to

1:27:39Marlo.

1:27:40>> Yeah.

1:27:45Okay.

1:27:47>> All right. So, that's extension. If you

1:27:50look at the uh next one, request to

1:27:53modify.

1:27:55Same thing red line that red letter then

1:27:58the the final.

1:28:03Same thing with permitty but no owner's

1:28:06name and sign off.

1:28:12>> I assume students like that as well.

1:28:15>> Yeah, I just again the issue is

1:28:18consistency.

1:28:20It makes it

1:28:23less of a problem potentially.

1:28:28>> Okay.

1:28:28>> Okay. So then the the transfer the third

1:28:30one here

1:28:32um

1:28:35>> current peri

1:28:41you could have the same case for this

1:28:43also.

1:28:46>> That's all I saw. Yeah.

1:28:49Yeah, she's got two different looks like

1:28:51two different versions of this.

1:28:55>> Uh, let's see. Do we get the

1:28:58>> 114?

1:29:00Okay, the 105. The 114 is the old one or

1:29:05maybe original one.

1:29:07>> Uh, this is a version 105.

1:29:10>> Yeah, the last page is 10 one. I mean

1:29:13114.

1:29:15>> That's 114. So that's this is that's the

1:29:17one that waso proposed uh at the

1:29:19beginning of the year.

1:29:21>> This is the current.

1:29:23>> Yeah.

1:29:24>> Clean.

1:29:26>> Okay. So Stuart, you want all three of

1:29:28these to be considered?

1:29:30>> That's my suggestion, Bill. I

1:29:32>> Okay.

1:29:34>> All right. I'll I'll

1:29:35>> I'll make that request tomorrow.

1:29:40>> Okay. So, we won't take any action on

1:29:42those now. Um,

1:29:47but road I think you put it in your a

1:29:49little bit on it on your

1:29:50>> Yeah. Nothing nothing of note just just

1:29:53you know tracking uh you know sort of

1:29:56being looped in on on emails here and

1:29:58there but there's nothing uh

1:29:59particularly to note right now.

1:30:02>> Okay. Uh so let's move on to spent and

1:30:06village shops.

1:30:08I just want to make a note of something

1:30:10here.

1:30:12page 14, I believe, is 13 and 14. Uh,

1:30:20we don't have their last proposal here.

1:30:23That page of narrative on the page,

1:30:27I forget what it was.

1:30:29>> Wow.

1:30:30>> They have a narrative that describes

1:30:32their changes and the drainage that they

1:30:35put in,

1:30:37which is not really drainage, it's

1:30:38retentions by

1:30:40>> killing the engineering.

1:30:41>> Yeah.

1:30:42Yeah.

1:30:44So, this is what they're proposing now.

1:30:46They took out the train

1:30:48and they have six new rental units in

1:30:52the sort of upper right. And I believe

1:30:56they have two more larger rental units

1:30:59kind of in the middle.

1:31:02And then the I'm not sure if the main

1:31:05building that they're trying to put in

1:31:06was on the original one or not.

1:31:09>> This is the this is a basically a

1:31:10storage building.

1:31:12Okay.

1:31:13>> And these are these are essentially

1:31:14vendor vendor buildings.

1:31:16>> Yeah. So I want those vendor buildings

1:31:19in the upper right. I just want to point

1:31:21out that they put rain gardens on both

1:31:23sides there.

1:31:25You can see the ovals.

1:31:28Those are rain gardens.

1:31:32>> And then in the left

1:31:38>> Stewart with a ring. Here's a rainbow

1:31:41second sheet.

1:31:42>> No, no, further up.

1:31:43>> Oh, up here.

1:31:45>> Yep. That's one of them.

1:31:47>> And then up here. Right here.

1:31:48>> Yeah.

1:31:49>> Oh, okay.

1:31:50>> Okay. So, that's the catch runoff and

1:31:54sediment, which is as they describe it

1:31:56in their

1:31:58>> quality. Yeah. And you see the there's

1:32:03>> sort of the hatched areas there. Uh they

1:32:07look like a stone wall or something

1:32:09>> right here.

1:32:11Yeah, there's one there and then there's

1:32:12one up the middle and then one up to the

1:32:15left.

1:32:16So, they're putting in sediment caching

1:32:20areas

1:32:22>> for water quality purpose, stone

1:32:23trenches also. But the point that I want

1:32:27to make with this is that you could look

1:32:30at this as a case of creating uh shoot

1:32:34uh shooting yourself in the foot

1:32:36>> because these these weren't required

1:32:38originally,

1:32:40but they put these in there and

1:32:44depending on how it works out and what

1:32:46they put in, you're now retaining water

1:32:49in areas you didn't before.

1:32:52So you have to maybe look ahead and see

1:32:56where that water is eventually going to

1:32:58end up and if whether it's going to end

1:33:01up all at once or you know if something

1:33:03catastrophic could happen to it because

1:33:06they're concentrating that runoff water

1:33:09now whereas they would weren't before.

1:33:12So that was just my point of uh showing

1:33:15that though they did something for water

1:33:18quality depending on how it could turn

1:33:20out uh could be could be a bad thing. M

1:33:26>> so they gave theirel a problem they

1:33:28didn't need to have but it's not doesn't

1:33:31appear to be significant enough to

1:33:33warrant u further requirements

1:33:36and so John gave wetlands agent approval

1:33:39I believe the last

1:33:42Thursday for this

1:33:43>> that's correct

1:33:44>> y so if that makes sense then I guess

1:33:48we're all set with that

1:33:51is uh

1:33:53anybody on Zoom now that has comments

1:33:57that's citizen that's something not on

1:33:59the agenda.

1:34:02>> I don't think we have

1:34:03>> anybody else have

1:34:06>> any other items to discuss or anything.

1:34:10>> Well, I would entertain a motion to

1:34:12adjourn.

1:34:13>> I'll make a motion for adjournment of

1:34:16October 5th inland meeting.

1:34:20>> I'll second it.

1:34:23Okay, we have motion by Stuart Peasley,

1:34:25seconded by Grace Ley to adjourn. All

1:34:28those in favor signify by saying I.

1:34:30>> I.

1:34:31>> I. Oh, I

1:34:35>> we going to

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