2026-10-01 - Planning and Zoning Commission Special Meeting

00:03Josh.

00:03>> Hi.

00:05>> Thank you. I'm going to call this

00:06meeting to order.

00:07Um sorry for the delay getting in.

00:10Um So, we'll start with roll call.

00:13Today, will you start, please?

00:14>> John Day.

00:16>> Joe Polulick.

00:17>> Aaron Barbo.

00:18>> Sid Blodgett.

00:19>> Amy Monahan.

00:20>> David Morris.

00:21>> Um online, we have

00:24Can you hear us, Joe?

00:25>> Yes, Josh Fadilat.

00:29>> And Doug Porter.

00:31>> Thank you.

00:32Um

00:34We will designate John and uh Amy as

00:37alternates.

00:39Um

00:41And now we'll do the Pledge of

00:42Allegiance.

00:46>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

00:47United States of

00:49America,

00:50and to the republic for which it stands,

00:51one nation under God, indivisible, with

00:53liberty and justice for

00:56>> [clears throat]

00:58>> all.

01:05>> Um

01:07Citizens comments. Do we have any

01:08citizens comments not to do with what

01:10we're um discussing tonight?

01:14Hearing none,

01:15we'll move on to um

01:19meeting minutes. We have some minutes

01:20from uh September 17th

01:24that I assume everybody got online.

01:27Did you have a chance to look at them?

01:28Any comments or anything Do we have a

01:31motion?

01:33>> I'll make a motion to approve.

01:35>> I'll second.

01:37>> Abstain.

01:38>> Well, we have any discussion on the

01:40minutes?

01:44Hearing none, um all in favor of

01:47accepting the minutes of September 17th,

01:49all in favor?

01:50>> Aye.

01:51>> Aye.

01:53>> Aye. Any opposed?

01:55Any abstentions?

01:56>> Motion

01:57>> John, can you get that John?

01:59>> Thank you. Approved.

02:00Um

02:03Here we are. We're going to

02:05reopen the public hearing number

02:07676-04-26.

02:11Um

02:13I'm not sure what all those other

02:14numbers are.

02:15But the screen shops, Josh Biondo open

02:18reopening it.

02:20Continue

02:22going on. So

02:25do um

02:27We've got all the the new information.

02:30Thank you, Josh. And guys, you got any a

02:33presentation you want to

02:34>> Yes. Yes, I

02:37Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh for the

02:38record, Norm Chibo, Killing the

02:40Engineering Associates.

02:42Uh I am here representing um

02:44uh Scranton Village LLC this evening. Uh

02:47so, on after the last meeting, I had uh

02:50had my laundry list of um of items that

02:53the commission wanted to see. And some

02:55things, some changes to the plans, a

02:57couple of other things. So, um well,

02:59first of all, you know, regarding the

03:01legend and uh and what we've got uh

03:04back here, we do we do it we did label

03:06it

03:07uh the silt fence and uh state hay bales

03:09on the plans. We added it to the um

03:12uh to the legend as well.

03:14Uh and also on sheet I believe sheet um

03:19uh two

03:20the plans

03:22uh we added we added the symbol for the

03:23water quality trenches, so the first

03:25storm trenches

03:27uh just for for clarification purposes.

03:30Uh another thing that we did too uh by

03:32the request of the fire marshal is we

03:34made sure all the buildings were uh a

03:36minimum of 10 ft apart. Uh so, they we

03:39did adjust uh the configuration very

03:42slightly in this area here uh and over

03:44here as well. Uh so, these uh these are

03:47uh you know, placed at that 10-ft

03:49spacing uh per request of of the uh fire

03:52marshal.

03:53Um, also uh it was requested uh that we

03:56uh uh provide a bond for erosion and

03:58sedimentation controls.

04:00Uh so uh we have a state hay bales, silt

04:03fence, silt sock, uh and the anti

04:06anti-tracking construction entrance, uh

04:09and based upon um

04:11uh the unit cost that uh the Connecticut

04:14DOT puts out uh a couple of times a year

04:16for their project, uh we have uh a a

04:19total bonding amount of $5,900

04:23uh for those items.

04:25Uh that we we also handed that in for

04:27the record.

04:29Uh the drainage report was updated. It

04:32was sent in I just modified the date for

04:35to September. Uh nothing on that

04:37drainage report had changed in in that

04:40uh drainage report actually was um done

04:44in September, but I just forgot to

04:45change the date on the cover sheet of

04:47that.

04:48Um

04:49sheet three of the plans, I had I added

04:51a a lighting plan.

04:53And uh essentially we're we're we are

04:56specifying dark sky compliant lighting.

04:59I've showed some examples uh that could

05:01be used. Uh something similar. I did

05:03note that uh these are sample lightings.

05:06Uh you know, any certified dark sky

05:08compliant lighting would be acceptable

05:10here. Uh so we've got um building

05:12mounted lightings on on the uh

05:15on uh the sheds uh and uh we've got to

05:18building mounted on the 30 by 40 uh

05:21storage building as well. Uh we did note

05:25also that um one of the one of the

05:27questions that was raised was whether

05:29the existing light on the utility pole

05:31on the site if if those were going to

05:32remain,

05:33uh and they will remain. Uh those are

05:35simply two

05:36lighting standards, the sort of the arms

05:38that come out. Uh there two of them that

05:40that put some light mostly where these

05:43where these two buildings are.

05:45Uh and and where the carousel and the

05:48warehouse uh building will be. Uh, so

05:51those those will remain.

05:54Uh, what else do we do here?

06:00Uh, I did I we did hand in some copies

06:02of some

06:04uh, of these these sheds, the style that

06:07that Josh is looking at. Uh, they could

06:09be any one of these styles, but I I

06:11believe that um,

06:13you know, these styles that we put

06:14forward really do kind of meet the

06:15flavor of what he wants to do here, so

06:17that village concept. We've got

06:20uh, the either the clapboard or the or

06:23some of them they actually have metal

06:24roofs on them. They they all have little

06:26porches on the front of them. So, I

06:29think these things would really going to

06:31be nice looking for this village sort of

06:33concept that we're going for.

06:36And lastly, the um,

06:38the metal building itself, and I had I

06:41had difficulty printing this out, so I

06:42apologize.

06:44But, it's a 30 by 40 building. It will

06:46be it's a your typical steel building,

06:49but uh,

06:51the siding will be red. It'll be a black

06:53roof.

06:54Once once again, sort of really keeping

06:57in the flavor with the agricultural

06:58concept of the site and and what I

07:01believe

07:02the town of Woodstock is all about.

07:10Regarding

07:11um, I did put together a narrative that

07:14I'm going to read instead of well, which

07:16you know, talks about

07:18the the approval conditions and things

07:20of that nature.

07:22Uh, the Scranton Village LLC has

07:24submitted an application to Town of

07:25Woodstock Planning and Zoning Commission

07:28to construct eight retail buildings,

07:30gravel parking and access,

07:32children's gold mining activity and

07:34small carousel.

07:36The new proposed retail buildings will

07:37be built shed style, installed on a

07:39block base with no foundation work will

07:41be required.

07:43If a proposed 30 by 40 metal storage

07:45building is also proposed, it will be

07:47constructed on a slab with frost walls,

07:50red siding to resemble a barn, and black

07:51metal roofing. Aside from the featured

07:54building at the site,

07:55entrance to the houses the the antique

07:57retail space,

07:59there are two additional existing

08:00buildings on the site that will be

08:01utilized as a cafe and coffee shop, and

08:04an ice cream shop.

08:06The intention of Scranton Village is to

08:07provide a casual

08:09village-like setting where patrons may

08:11shop in a family-friendly atmosphere.

08:14Site improvements will include the

08:15addition of new gravel parking areas.

08:18These areas, combined with existing

08:20parking, will provide for a total of 38

08:22parking spaces.

08:23And for ADA requirements, two paved

08:26handicap parking spaces would be will be

08:28provided.

08:30Site improvements will also include

08:31paved or concrete sidewalks throughout,

08:34which will provide handicap access on

08:36the property that is not currently

08:38available.

08:39The project will not require

08:40modifications to the two on-site septic

08:43systems.

08:44The existing northern site access is

08:46steep and narrow with limited sightline,

08:48which in the past has created concerns

08:50for emergency vehicle access. Therefore,

08:53a new 24-ft wide gravel access with

08:55paved apron will be constructed at the

08:57southern end of the site, which will

08:59significantly improve access.

09:01Grading within the right-of-way will

09:03provide extended sightline to the north,

09:05and

09:06and that would be with some minor

09:08grading along the roadside slope. The

09:10proposal has been approved by the

09:11Connecticut DOT,

09:13and documentation of that approval has

09:15been submitted as part of the record for

09:16this application.

09:18During construction,

09:20the plan proposes a row of silt fence

09:22back with staked hay bales adjacent to

09:23the wetlands in the western portion of

09:25the site,

09:26and a row of silt sock along the state

09:28right-of-way.

09:30Both of these mechanisms will serve to

09:31control any potential transport of

09:33sediment that may result from site

09:35development activities.

09:37For post-construction conditions,

09:40roof water will be directed to rain

09:41gardens that have been sized in

09:42accordance with the University of

09:44Connecticut Center for Land Use

09:45Education and Research Nemo program.

09:48Runoff from gravel parking will be

09:50directed to crushed stone water quality

09:51infiltration trenches to relieve to

09:54alleviate concentrated flow paths and

09:56the transport of sediment.

09:58The crushed stone water quality trenches

09:59will also act as a means to alleviate

10:01the potential for concentrated road

10:03runoff

10:05offsite. They are not intended to be

10:07mechanisms for detention.

10:09These soil water quality mechanisms have

10:11also been approved reviewed by the

10:14town's engineer.

10:17As a special permit use, the applicant

10:19is obligated to demonstrate the proposed

10:21use meets the intentions of the plan of

10:23conservation and development,

10:25the plan. The project meets the plan as

10:27follows.

10:28Number one, community character.

10:31The project maintains a sense of place

10:33by balancing community character while

10:35providing a means to preserve the rights

10:36of property owner.

10:38The proposed use of the property is

10:39essentially an extension of the existing

10:41use while promoting expansion within the

10:44village district. The plan encourages

10:46enhancement of the villages by promoting

10:48and developing

10:50while retaining the look, feel, and

10:51function of village in a walkable

10:53setting.

10:54Natural resources, the project does not

10:57propose any land development activities

10:59that take away or alter natural

11:01resources.

11:03Aquifers and floodways,

11:05the project will not impact aquifers or

11:07floodways.

11:09Portions of the site are are within

11:11flood zone C, which we've added to the

11:13plan. That's that heavy dotted line that

11:15you see here.

11:16That is the uh

11:17the flood zone from the FEMA mapping.

11:20Uh that's shown on firm map 090120

11:24panel 002758.

11:27Uh and no activity is proposed proposed

11:29within that flood.

11:31Land conservation, uh not really

11:32applicable to this project. All proposed

11:35activity is within previously developed

11:36areas.

11:38PA 490, not applicable to this project

11:41as the project does not contain farmland

11:42forest or open space.

11:45Retaining active agriculture or

11:47farmlands, once again, not applicable to

11:49this project. Public infrastructure, the

11:52project does not propose any

11:54improvements or modifications to public

11:56infrastructure.

11:57There will not be any significant energy

11:59consumption, will not impact public

12:01school system, and access to the site uh

12:04for emergency vehicles has been approved

12:06with the installation of the new

12:07driveway.

12:09Public safety, once again, uh access to

12:12the site for emergency service will be

12:14improved with the installation of the

12:15new driveway.

12:17Population and housing is not

12:18applicable.

12:20Balancing growth, change, and

12:21development,

12:23the project provides an opportunity to

12:25meet the goals of this section of the

12:27plan.

12:28As proposed, the existing use of the

12:30site will remain intact while allowing

12:32expansion of said use

12:34and the addition of components that

12:36provide family-oriented activities that

12:38blend well with the character of the

12:39village.

12:41The project provides a walkable setting

12:43while requiring setbacks for new

12:45structures

12:46and not allowing parking requirements to

12:49overwhelm the neighborhood or disrupt

12:50the pattern of existing development.

12:54And then finally, our growth management

12:55principle number three

12:57uh in the plan's uh talks about

12:59concentrating development around

13:01transportation nodes along major

13:03transportation corridors and to support

13:05the viability of transportation options.

13:08This project is positioned on Route 169,

13:11one of the four major roads in

13:13Woodstock, and the project is

13:14essentially a redevelopment of the

13:16property, which will retain the

13:17small-town farm-friendly character of

13:20Woodstock.

13:23The project uh

13:25uh conclusions, this project uh has

13:28addressed two of the five major concerns

13:30of the residents that are stated in the

13:32plan specifically. It preserves the

13:34town's rural character and

13:37it does not disturb any undeveloped

13:39land.

13:40Finally, your regulations for a special

13:43permit evaluation include a bunch of

13:45criteria.

13:46>> Living area.

13:47704.

13:49Rep

13:54>> Do you hear that, John? Do you have

13:55anything Who's that?

13:57>> That was

13:58someone was unmuted and and played

14:00something in the background. They're

14:01muted.

14:01>> Okay.

14:03Okay, thank you.

14:04Okay, number one, the project is in

14:06compliance with the zoning regulations

14:08of the town of Woodstock.

14:10>> [clears throat]

14:10>> Number two,

14:12it is consistent with the plan of

14:13conservation and development and the

14:15plan of open space and conservation as

14:17previously summarized.

14:19Number three,

14:21it will generate minimal off-site

14:22adverse impacts on the surrounding area,

14:24including

14:25the environment, the character of the

14:28area, including any natural, historical,

14:30and cultural features.

14:32It will not impact property values

14:35and it will not impact the reasonable

14:37use, enjoyment, and development of

14:38adjacent properties.

14:41Number four, it will neither adversely

14:43affect ground or surface waters nor

14:45endanger drinking water supplies.

14:48Number five, it has been the It has been

14:50approved by the Northeast District

14:51Department of Health and the Connecticut

14:53DOT.

14:55Number six, it does not adversely impact

14:57existing traffic conditions and sight

14:59line would be improved with the newly

15:01proposed driveway.

15:03Number seven,

15:04it will provide unhindered and improved

15:06emergency vehicle access.

15:09Number eight, it will not adversely

15:11affect public health, safety, or

15:12welfare.

15:14And number nine, it will meet the

15:15following standards.

15:17The site will have adequate landscaping

15:19and buffering.

15:20Storm water management is addressed with

15:22gardens and water quality trenches.

15:25Sufficient erosion and sedimentation

15:27controls will be implemented during

15:28construction.

15:30Lighting will be limited and dark sky

15:32compliant.

15:34No signage except for site entrance

15:35archways proposed and on-site signs.

15:39No activity is proposed within the flood

15:40plain.

15:42And finally dimensional requirements uh

15:44setbacks are met.

15:46So,

15:47I believe um

15:49that kind of covers um everything that

15:51was brought up

15:52uh last month

15:55uh Mr. Porter uh went through the uh

15:58went through my uh statement of use and

16:00project narratives. He had some comments

16:01on that uh that that I addressed um

16:05with the uh uh

16:07essentially there was some language in

16:09there that we took out and and some of

16:10the other questions he had regarding the

16:12the existing lighting and so forth. I

16:14I've addressed as well. So,

16:15I'd be happy to answer um any further

16:18questions the commission may have at

16:20this time.

16:21Do we um any commissioners have any

16:23questions?

16:25>> [clears throat]

16:25>> Joe.

16:27>> Yeah, I'm uh glad that you've

16:28incorporated

16:31all the things that I requested last

16:33time. I appreciate that. Makes the

16:35drawings a lot clearer and it makes it a

16:38lot easier

16:40for our zoning enforcement officer

16:43uh to check out the work when it's done.

16:46>> Mhm.

16:47>> Uh the only thing that I would add

16:51is uh I noticed that you put in bonding

16:55for the erosion and sediment control.

16:57>> Mhm.

16:59>> I would also like to see bonding for the

17:01infiltration trench and the rain

17:04gardens.

17:08And this is I'm not asking you to do

17:10anything different

17:12than what we asked the Country Store to

17:14do

17:15over in West Woodstock.

17:20So,

17:21as a matter of course, I think we should

17:23have bonding for

17:25all ENS practices

17:27and all stormwater management practices.

17:31And again, it's going to make it easier

17:34for John to go out and inspect

17:38and make sure that it's done properly.

17:43>> Okay, thank you, Gregory.

17:45Any other commissioners?

17:48Anybody online have any Any commissioner

17:50Doug or Joseph?

17:51>> No.

17:52>> Yeah.

17:52>> Joe's hand is up.

17:55>> Yes,

17:56thank you. First of all, I want to

17:58compliment the app- applicant and Norman

18:00for going through and addressing

18:03all the concerns raised by the public

18:05and the commission. I think it's very

18:07helpful to get all of these uh

18:10perhaps picky details resolved, but

18:13they're important to make sure the

18:15special permit process is followed. Um

18:19I also like the the fact that

18:22Norman mentioned that he spoke with the

18:24fire marshal and based on that

18:27conversation, they modified the spacing

18:29a little bit. Um I think that points to

18:31the value of speaking with the

18:35emergency services personnel in the

18:37town.

18:38But I'm wondering, Norman, is there any

18:41written note of that? Or if not, could

18:43you just send it email to John

18:47>> I do have the email. I think I think

18:49John has a copy of it as well

18:51with

18:52the fire marshal's comments and my

18:53responses to them.

18:55>> Oh, perfect. Okay, so that'll be part of

18:57the file.

18:58>> Correct.

18:59>> Great. Great.

19:01The other [clears throat] thing I wanted

19:02to

19:03comment on

19:05mostly for the applicant is if I

19:07understand it, some of those

19:09additional buildings will be rented out

19:12or leased out to other kinds of vendors.

19:14And it it First of all, is that a

19:17accurate statement?

19:19>> That's That's correct. Yes.

19:21>> Then

19:22>> It's a It's similar to what they do

19:24currently. People rent space in the

19:26existing building and they'll have their

19:28own dedicated building, whoever chooses

19:30to do so.

19:31>> Okay.

19:32Uh but those different buildings will uh

19:35have different owners. And all that All

19:37I'd like to do is make sure there's a

19:38document in the file and it can be an

19:41email saying that the applicant

19:43recognizes that any of the renters or

19:47lessees are are have to comply with the

19:50conditions of the special permit. Uh

19:53lighting, uh time hours of operation, uh

19:56signage, things like that.

20:00And that could simply be an email

20:02acknowledging that understanding that

20:05all those renters and lessees have to

20:07follow uh the conditions of the special

20:10permit.

20:11>> Absolutely. And I'm And having um

20:13another thing too, one thing I I I uh

20:16neglected to mention is that I did add

20:19on on sheet to two of the plans. We We

20:21do have the hours of operation on sheet

20:24two of the plans,

20:25uh which would be Monday through

20:27Saturday, uh 9:00 to 9:00 and Sundays

20:299:00 to 5:00. And those would be the

20:31maximum hours. Clearly, if someone's

20:34renting out a space and

20:36they want to be there 10:00 to 4:00 or

20:38whatever they want to do, I mean, that's

20:39that's uh that's their choice to do so,

20:41but those would be the maximum hours

20:43that anyone would operate.

20:45>> Yep. That That's fine. And in fact, I

20:47asked John Guskoskey about that earlier

20:49today and uh he pointed out that that

20:52was a new uh addition to the drawing.

20:54So, I'm glad to see that on there.

20:57Uh and then finally, the one last point

21:00was uh

21:01from the last meeting was about a

21:03comment or note from the Inland Wetlands

21:06Commission that there's no issue with

21:09this uh

21:10property.

21:11Was there something entered in? John, go

21:14ahead.

21:14>> I can I can speak to that if you want,

21:16Norm.

21:17So, John Gaskowski, town planner and

21:19also wetlands agent. I conferred with

21:21the wetlands chairman, Mr. Bill Rowinski

21:23about this.

21:25We reviewed the revised plans and

21:26concluded that this was a lesser impact

21:30than what was reviewed and and approved

21:32originally by wetlands. So, similar to

21:34the hours of operation

21:36this is you know, they are they are

21:39proceeding along a less

21:42extensive impact than what was

21:44originally approved. Therefore, no

21:45additional approvals were necessary and

21:48that documentation has been in entered

21:50into the file.

21:51>> And that is in the file. Okay, that's

21:52all I wanted to see that there were

21:54documents uh

21:55covering all of these verbal

21:57conversations.

21:59Okay, that was it. Thanks again for the

22:01presentation and the updated drawings.

22:05>> Thank you.

22:08>> Doug, do you have anything?

22:13>> I have to unmute myself.

22:15And also, I want to thank Norm for

22:17addressing my concerns

22:19from the last meeting and also from my

22:21concerns earlier this week. I appreciate

22:23that very much. The only thing similar

22:26to what we did with the convenience

22:28store in West Woodstock we asked that

22:31the applicant agree that the lights

22:34would go off a certain time after their

22:36normal working hours. So, they wouldn't

22:38stay lit all night. And is that

22:41something that we could

22:42the applicant would be considered

22:45for this project? Now, I think in the

22:47West Woodstock, I think we gave them an

22:48a half hour before opening and a half

22:52hour after closing.

22:54And I think that's helpful

22:57so that people can that you know, at

22:599:30 at night they know the lights are

23:01it's going to be dark again.

23:06>> I I don't I don't believe that.

23:07>> I have no problem with shutting lights

23:09off early, trust me.

23:11>> I am not asking you to do that.

23:15>> So, no, we will not be keeping lights on

23:17all night. One, nobody goes on the

23:19property, and two, out of respect for

23:21any neighbors or anybody.

23:23>> Well, and it's

23:25I appreciate that very much, but we do

23:27have another use in town that now has

23:30put up what they call seasonal lights

23:34that outline their structure, and

23:35they're on all night. Um

23:38and as most people know, I ride my

23:40bicycle early in the morning

23:42at 5:30 in the morning to see all those

23:45lights on.

23:46Um

23:47It's got to be difficult for the

23:48neighbors. So, by having the included as

23:51part of our approval

23:53conditions that the lights go off after

23:57um

23:58half hour after closing, I think that's

24:00great.

24:06>> Okay. Um sit. Uh

24:09Dr. again, Tibo. I'm going back to your

24:12presentation on July 16th.

24:15>> Mhm.

24:15>> Uh there's discussion about seating and

24:18a comment or two about lighting for the

24:21seating.

24:22What I think happened though is that the

24:24application evolved to exclude the

24:26holiday events in the train loop.

24:28>> Mhm.

24:29>> So, that's why I'm not seeing seating

24:31and seating and lighting on the

24:34plan.

24:35>> of spots. That would be number 10 on the

24:36drawing. So, it was showing a couple of

24:38scattered They would just be benches

24:40with a little bar light next to it.

24:42That's all. Nothing Nothing much.

24:44>> Okay. All right.

24:46Uh

24:48address the hours, which

24:50uh appreciate as well.

24:52Uh and then it's a little minor. Uh

24:55on the older plans, there were two

24:57drawings, both having to do with uh line

24:59of sight. One looking south, the other

25:02looking north. I think the second plan,

25:04which addresses the north, was

25:06mislabeled.

25:08Maybe that was corrected subsequently.

25:11Let's see here.

25:14That would be

25:15site line south.

25:19Site line north.

25:21Okay.

25:21>> Yeah, we're good.

25:22>> Yeah, since adjusted. All right, great.

25:25Uh

25:29So, hey John.

25:31>> Yeah.

25:32>> This council

25:35>> I'm here.

25:36>> Uh

25:37Just generally, yeah.

25:39This parcel, this application seems to

25:42have a couple different uses.

25:45Uh storage, retail commercial,

25:49uh food service, coffee {slash} cafe

25:52{slash} ice cream.

25:55Which are

25:56well identified on the plan.

25:58Is that adequate, or do we need to get

26:01more specific in the approval that says

26:03these buildings can be used for that,

26:06and that building can be used for this,

26:08or is what has been submitted clear

26:11enough for

26:13people in your seat and our seat 25

26:15years from now or so?

26:18>> Um

26:20you have to answer that question for

26:22yourself. I will say if you choose

26:26to require specificity for what each

26:29building

26:31can be used for down to the this needs

26:34to be ice cream, this other one needs to

26:35be candy, this other one needs to be

26:38t-shirts, this other one needs to be

26:41fireworks, um you're going to have a

26:43never-ending

26:45uh cycle of repeated special permit

26:48applications for modifications every

26:50time they need a new tenant.

26:52Um so similar to the hours of operation

26:56uh keeping it relatively broad and and

26:58setting essentially the outside uh

27:00parameters for how late they could go, I

27:03think um saying that the the sheds, the

27:06buildings, you know, it's in the

27:08interior will be used for

27:10you know, essentially, you know, the

27:12tourist and visitation, food service,

27:15uh retail,

27:17you know, and small-scale, you know,

27:19kiosk sort of sort of things in a broad

27:21sense allows the applicant and the

27:23commission some latitude to allow the

27:25market to, you know, all of a sudden,

27:27you know, everyone may want to have

27:29little, you know,

27:31sandal shops or something like that. And

27:33then the next season it might be

27:34something entirely different. So that

27:36would allow the applicant to move with

27:39the market as long as we're in the broad

27:41parameters of

27:43you know, small-scale retail, food

27:44service, and and what have you.

27:48>> Yeah,

27:49I thank you. I agree with what you're

27:50saying.

27:52Uh and I think also the site plan has a

27:56table or a chart on the left side that

27:58identifies the

28:01Uh I think there are 11

28:04uses of buildings which provides some

28:07clarity about what different buildings

28:10are used for. So All right, thanks. I

28:12was just curious about that.

28:16>> Um I have a question. There's nothing

28:18said about entertainment. So I assume

28:19you're not having entertainment here at

28:22all?

28:22>> That is not the No.

28:23>> Okay. I just want to We've had issues on

28:25other avenues and with that. So

28:28>> I mean, unless you unless you find a

28:29little carousel and shopping

28:30entertaining.

28:32>> No, I mean, music, live music.

28:34>> Mhm.

28:34>> I'm thinking of having something as

28:36having a band or something come in.

28:38Um

28:39and amplified music and stuff like that.

28:41I just

28:41>> I mean, I don't um

28:43I mean, to me, um

28:45you know, and you know, truth be told, I

28:47was a musician for 12 years. And, um

28:50but, you know, this is the type of

28:52setting I think it would be more of like

28:54someone playing an acoustic guitar or

28:56something like that. I mean, I don't I

28:58don't see anything like this where you

28:59would have like a band a big amplifier.

29:02>> I mean, if you're going to have music,

29:03make sure we put it in that it's not

29:05it's acoustic, it's not amplified music.

29:07>> Right. And I don't know, Josh, if that

29:08would be a problem of yours, so that

29:10>> No, it's not.

29:11>> Okay, I just I just kind of knew with

29:13the holidays playing

29:15Yeah, no, I understand. I just wanted to

29:18>> And I will I I'll I'll note, Mr. Chair,

29:20again, that that, you know,

29:22uh low level of, you know, music or or

29:27sound is considered customary and

29:29incidental to a retail use. So, if you

29:31go into a store,

29:32>> Oh, no, I I understand.

29:34>> playing, right? They don't get special

29:35permitting for that. But, yeah, it's

29:37it's the the point of the venue is not a

29:40a music venue.

29:42>> Yes, and I just, you know, it's a

29:45you know, you have Christmas music

29:46Christmas time and I mean, I can

29:47understand that. I just don't want

29:49somebody to start complaining about

29:51amplified music.

29:52>> Mhm.

29:52>> Cuz it's not amplified.

29:54>> We've had that issue before, so we try

29:56to

29:58It's hard to foresee everything that can

30:00happen, but we're trying to do our best.

30:01>> Yeah, absolutely. I I agree. I mean, you

30:04you you know, you as the commission, I

30:06know you try to anticipate, you know,

30:08every little thing and

30:09and clearly, you know, things come up

30:11with that you don't think about

30:12occasionally. You know,

30:14and hopefully, you know, if something

30:15like that does happen here, it's nothing

30:17that's like disruptive or or anything of

30:19that nature.

30:20>> Really good. Thank you. Such a nice job

30:21covering everything.

30:22>> Um

30:23>> Any more commissioners have comments?

30:25>> Yes, Aaron.

30:25>> I just have one thing about uh traffic

30:27on on site. So, you you're building a

30:31new entrance on the north, improving the

30:33sight lines and everything, obviously.

30:35Um but you're still going to use the

30:37south entrance, correct?

30:38>> Mhm.

30:38>> Is the south entrance going to be an

30:40entrance and an exit? Or is there plans

30:42to have everybody exit

30:44>> this this right here we have we have

30:46signage

30:48at this parking lot here

30:50basically you know prohibiting

30:52prohibiting people from going this

30:53direction. This is a one-way driveway

30:55this way. So

30:57the cars that that park here they can

30:59they can either you know go around in

31:01this direction kind of circle

31:03counterclockwise or just or just head

31:06out here. No one who parks in these

31:08parking spaces or in this parking lot is

31:10going to be able to utilize the northern

31:13entrance for an egress point.

31:15>> Okay. All right. Is there any way you

31:16can just put that on the drawing

31:18somewhere showing it's a one-way Is that

31:19on the plans or not? I just

31:21>> Um I mean we do have signage. Um

31:23>> Okay.

31:23>> All right.

31:24You know

31:25to to prohibit people from doing that.

31:27>> Okay. Yeah, cuz I saw that the

31:29the drive connecting the

31:31south entrance to the other parking is

31:32pretty skinny. I'm like if they have

31:33two-way traffic on that might be a

31:34>> No, that's that that would be just for

31:36this direction. We don't have any

31:37signage here really not necessary cuz

31:39people who could go there. We do have a

31:41few parking spaces here as well. But we

31:43do have two

31:45do not enter signs located right at this

31:49point at this parking lot to keep people

31:51from going down that one-way driveway.

31:52>> Okay.

31:53Thank you.

31:55>> Any other

31:56Mr. Collins?

31:58>> Um any citizen comments?

32:02>> Yes, please just state your name.

32:03>> Priscilla Powell 291 River Street.

32:07So could you go back to that map and

32:09show us cuz I couldn't see the direction

32:13of the traffic on that or yeah.

32:17>> Yeah, so [clears throat]

32:18we have we have the the new entrance

32:20that'll be located here.

32:21>> Right. Right.

32:21>> And people can come in here they can

32:22park here they can go around and park in

32:24this parking lot.

32:25Um but they have to they have to egress

32:27this way. If you're using the existing

32:30entrance you could go up this driveway

32:32if you wanted to.

32:34But there are there are do not enter

32:36signs on both sides here uh that

32:38prohibit people from this parking lot

32:40going in this direction.

32:43>> Thank you.

32:44>> And I appreciate talking about the um

32:47time to turn off the lights at night. We

32:49live right across the street and

32:52it would shine right into our bedroom

32:54windows. Thank you.

32:56>> You're welcome.

32:57>> Any other citizen comments?

32:59Yes.

33:00>> Yeah, William Hall, 1291 Route 169. Can

33:02you just tell me exactly where that new

33:05road will be? Cuz we're just opposite. I

33:08just want to know how dangerous it's

33:09going to be pulling out pulling out of

33:10my driveway in the future. You have

33:13Young's driveway.

33:14>> It's it's right it's right after the

33:16Young's driveway.

33:17>> So, how far over from the Young's?

33:19>> Uh about

33:2140 ft or so.

33:23>> 40 ft.

33:24>> Mhm.

33:24>> Okay, I'm just trying to figure out

33:26that's just about across from my

33:27driveway.

33:28>> Um it's it's not like we have we have

33:30driveways that we located that that are

33:32right here. It's not it's not directly

33:34across.

33:35>> Okay.

33:36>> Uh yes.

33:37>> Yeah, that has to move.

33:38>> No. No, we're we're just to the left of

33:40that telephone pole, left of the

33:41>> Okay, yeah. Okay.

33:43>> Yeah, so we won't have any headlights

33:45shining into our

33:46>> We are

33:47we are conscious

33:48of that.

33:49>> We are conscious of that. That's

33:50something that comes up quite frequently

33:52in these

33:52>> Oh yeah, and traffic is getting worse

33:54and worse all the time.

33:56I just wanted to just want to know where

33:57it is. Thanks for

33:58>> You're welcome.

33:59>> Anybody else?

34:01Anybody online has a comment? I Can you

34:03see anybody, John?

34:05>> Uh I don't see anybody with their hands

34:07up, but but we haven't given them the

34:08opportunity yet. So, if anyone uh wishes

34:11to speak online,

34:13you either turn your camera on, unmute

34:15yourself, or put your hand up.

34:19Jeremy Serwer.

34:23>> Uh yeah, full disclosure, I'm I'm a

34:25retail real estate broker of many years

34:28involved in uh

34:30uh uh leasing activity in retail

34:32shopping centers and I'm a Woodstock

34:34resident. Um just want to make the

34:36comment that um

34:39someone brought up about music etc. Um

34:43having been involved in a lot of

34:44shopping centers, I can tell you that

34:46when music and entertainment comes into

34:48a shopping center,

34:50unless it's very specific in writing,

34:53um that only a certain type can be done.

34:56It's not the same as

34:58saying for instance and and I

35:00appreciated uh John G's comments that

35:03you can't really say what this building

35:05can be used for and that building can be

35:06used for. That limits the market for the

35:09for the ownership.

35:10But I think you can say

35:13um

35:14in a town of this nature

35:17that if there's to be a certain

35:20uh

35:21cap to noise level,

35:23uh and or you want to define it as

35:25acoustic only, uh you know, at some

35:27point in the future,

35:30if they want outdoor entertainment and

35:32it's not specifically stated in the in

35:34the special permit,

35:36um almost anything could happen, not

35:38necessarily even this owner in case the

35:40project gets sold at a future date.

35:43So to that point, um given the noise

35:46impact of it, I would

35:48suggest that it be specific

35:51um in the special permit subject to

35:54uh

35:56John, I'm sorry, I can't pronounce your

35:57last name. Subject subject to John G's

36:00uh opinion here. I think that's I think

36:03that's an important issue.

36:06Thank you.

36:07>> Thank you, Louise.

36:11Um anybody else online?

36:17Seeing none. Um

36:20I mean, could we just put no amplified

36:22music?

36:23>> I think in the in the permit.

36:25>> Yeah.

36:25>> Mhm.

36:25>> Yeah, that's fine.

36:28>> I don't

36:29I other comments?

36:32I think we can um close this public

36:35hearing.

36:36>> I'll make the motion we close the public

36:38hearing.

36:39>> You have a second?

36:41>> I'll second.

36:43>> All in favor?

36:44>> I.

36:45>> I. Any opposed?

36:47Any abstentions?

36:49So moved.

36:51Um

36:52Now we go on to um

36:55Number five, unfinished business.

36:57Um

36:59we get to vote on this uh um special

37:02permit um number 676-04-26

37:07um with 169 Scranton Shops LLC.

37:10Um

37:12>> Mr. Chair.

37:13>> Yes.

37:14>> Joe raised his hand.

37:17>> Pardon me?

37:17>> Yes, I

37:19Yes, I was just going to make a motion

37:20to approve

37:22uh this application

37:24uh

37:25with uh conditions as noted.

37:29>> Would you like me to Well, I do you want

37:30to Do you want to second or or Are you

37:32want me to delineate uh what I would

37:34propose as motion as uh conditions?

37:36>> If you would.

37:38>> Okay.

37:39So, um based on based on discussion this

37:42evening,

37:44I would uh suggest a motion to approve

37:48the application number 676-04-26

37:54based on plans and the narrative

37:56submitted dated originally 5/15/26

38:00revised through 9/29/26

38:03for Scranton Village LLC with the

38:05following conditions:

38:07that the bond estimate for

38:11uh storm water

38:13uh

38:14improvements

38:16be increased from 5900 to include

38:19bonding for the infiltration trenches

38:21and rain gardens in an amount uh

38:24acceptable to the town planner.

38:28Second, that all lessees

38:32for the shops internal to the site must

38:35comply with the terms of the special

38:37permit.

38:38Third,

38:40site lighting

38:41other than emergency lighting

38:44shall be turned off within a half an

38:46hour after ceasing of operations in the

38:49evening

38:50and turned on no earlier than 1 half

38:52hour prior to the commencement of

38:54operations during the day.

38:56And finally, that there be no amplified

38:59music

39:00on site.

39:04>> That's that's all

39:06Like it captured everything except I

39:07just want to comment on the date. The

39:09application that I'm looking at that

39:12the most recent one shows 9/28/26

39:15and you said it updated through 9/29. I

39:17just don't want to have a date conflict

39:20somewhere in the record.

39:22>> But what I have in front of me, Joseph,

39:23says 9/20

39:25September 29th.

39:27>> An application.

39:29>> Yes. That the receipt of the final one

39:32was received.

39:33>> Okay. Well, I got this one yesterday, so

39:36I guess it was updated since then.

39:39Okay. So, it's dated 9/29 is the most

39:41recent

39:43application. Okay.

39:46Thank you.

39:49>> Okay. Do we have a second for that one?

39:51Amy seconded. All in favor?

39:54>> I.

39:55>> I.

39:56>> I.

39:57>> Any opposed?

39:59Any abstentions?

40:00So moved.

40:03Um

40:06Do we have any citizens comments

40:09before we close?

40:12Hearing none.

40:13>> Uh I

40:14>> Yes.

40:15>> I'm a citizen. of the town.

40:18You're a commissioner, you can speak.

40:21>> Yes. I just wanted to make a note for

40:24John in case you didn't know it, John.

40:28As a result of the town meeting the

40:30other night

40:33uh

40:34an ordinance was adopted

40:38regarding citations for certain

40:40violations

40:41of town ordinances and regulations.

40:44And it had a

40:46it had a fine system in it.

40:49So, that

40:51now you've got another tool

40:54in your toolbox in order to

40:57ensure our town regulations are being

41:00followed.

41:02So, take a look at that. It's quite

41:04extensive.

41:06>> Yeah, it it might be similar to the one

41:08I wrote.

41:10>> [laughter]

41:12>> Well, there was a paragraph added

41:15>> at the end, number 12.

41:17>> So, take a look at the whole thing.

41:19If you already wrote it, fine. You know

41:21more about it than I do.

41:25>> Thank you.

41:25>> That's just information for everybody.

41:27>> Thank you.

41:27>> Anything else? We have a movement motion

41:30to adjourn.

41:31>> Motion.

41:33>> John, second.

41:34Amy.

41:35All in favor?

41:36>> I.

41:37>> I.

41:38>> Any opposed?

41:40Thank you very much, everybody.

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