2026-10-14 - Planning Commission

Summary

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Time on topic (from transcript timestamps; approximate, includes side talk):

Topic Minutes Share
Tree Code Update 59 60%
Neighborhood Connections Maps Repeal 23 23%
Transportation Facilities Plan Update 8 8%
Other business 6 6%
PFAS Soil and Groundwater Testing Request 3 3%
  • Wednesday, October 14, 2026, Redmond Planning Commission.
  • Captions start at 4:09 (the first four minutes of the recording have no captions) and run to the adjournment at about 1:43:19, with no recesses or closed sessions.
  • Four commissioners were present and Commissioner Coleman was excused.
  • Staff named in the roll call were Lauren (surname rendered several ways), Becky Fry, Michael Hints, Cameron Zapata and Abraham Wenda.
  • The commission approved the agenda and the September 23 meeting summary by voice vote.

Other business

4:09-6:53, 1:40:34-1:43:19

  • Chair Weston resigned from the commission and was thanked for her years of service. To fill the rest of the term (through about March 2027), the commission elected a new chair (name garbled in the captions) and, in his absence, elected Commissioner Coleman vice chair; both votes were by voice.
  • Staff updates from Lauren, who is now the commission's liaison for the fourth quarter: the design standards survey is open, the home business questionnaire is extended for at least another month, and pop-up events for neighborhood planning have been held. Council interviews for a vacant commission seat on October 27; applications for the two other vacant seats are due November 6.
  • The mayor's proposed budget includes projects that will reach the commission: an urban mixed-use master plan, a universal design study and community engagement staffing (see Mayor's Preliminary 2027-2028 Biennial Budget).
  • The October 28 agenda will include approval of the neighborhood connections map repeal and the transportation facilities plan update, plus an introduction and study session on commercial drone use.

PFAS Soil and Groundwater Testing Request

7:02-10:12

  • David Morton (general public comment) asked the commission to ask staff whether environmental baseline data, including PFAS, has been collected for parcels in comprehensive plan docket items, and to tell the council it supports funding soil and groundwater PFAS testing at the former Allwood recycling site and the adjacent Evans Creek relocation site in the 2027-2028 budget.
  • He noted both sites lie in critical aquifer recharge areas. No action was taken or requested of staff that night.

Neighborhood Connections Maps Repeal

10:20-33:33

  • Transportation planning manager Hints presented the public hearing item: repeal the five neighborhood connection maps (Bear Creek, Education Hill, North Redmond, Southeast Redmond, Northeast Rose Hill) in the comprehensive plan because the transportation master plan adopted in February 2026 now carries consolidated maps. Connections were dropped from the new maps because they were already built, outside the city, redundant, sidewalks (covered by the sidewalk plan) or infeasible.
  • Option one: recommend repeal now, with a recommendation on October 28. Option two: fold it into the separate neighborhood planning docket item, which staff said would start around the end of February and conclude around April or May 2027.
  • Debate: Commissioners Aparna and the chair first leaned toward option two to avoid piecemeal edits and review the neighborhood element as a whole. Commissioners Van Nyman, Bish and Gier favored option one, arguing that two conflicting sets of maps are an existing source of confusion. Commissioner Van Nyman added that the text is outdated either way, so removing the maps now does not change that. Commissioner Aparna asked for a note in the neighborhood element that an update is coming, and staff agreed to add text saying it is a remainder of the earlier plan.
  • David Morton spoke in the hearing in support of repeal, with three requests: update policy references that still cite the old maps, provide a crosswalk of what was kept, changed or removed, and clean up blank and duplicated entries in the transportation master plan appendix table.
  • Commissioner Gier moved to support option one, conditioned on staff bringing the list of removed connections and reasons on October 28; it was seconded and carried by voice vote. The written comment period stays open until October 28.

Transportation Facilities Plan Update

33:33-41:16

  • David Morton (public hearing) supported shared use paths but questioned the record: no stream or buffer analysis shown for the Northeast 70th Street segment, a conflict between statements that projects are prioritized and that they are not, no cost or timeframe for the two new rows, and procedural errors in the technical committee report (wrong page headers, SEPA file number and comment dates). He asked the commission to hold or condition its recommendation until corrected.
  • Hints presented the docket item: add two shared use paths (Northeast 40th Street between 158th and 156th Avenues Northeast, near an apartment project in permitting; and Northeast 70th Street from 188th Avenue Northeast to the Evans Creek Trail) and correct the Northeast 72nd Street project description to include a shared use path. Staff said costs still need to be estimated and will be added.
  • Commissioner Aparna asked that Morton's comments go into the issues matrix with responses, especially the date discrepancies, and the chair asked for the cleanup before approval. A recommendation is expected October 28.

Tree Code Update

41:23-1:40:32

  • Senior planner Anderson (joining virtually) and Zapata opened the public hearing and study session. Key changes: cleaner definitions, a tree credit calculation for development, clearer enforcement and penalties, wider use of fee-in-lieu dollars, new tree exception criteria, one-to-one replacement for hazardous, landmark and heritage trees, development flexibilities, tree protection zones, programmatic permitting for city projects, and a conifer priority for replacements.
  • Schedule: study session November 4, study session and recommendation November 18, commission approval in December, council process from January 2027, adoption expected March 2027 and effective June 2027.
  • David Morton (public hearing) asked for mandatory, independent third-party review triggers, closing the 35 percent impervious surface bypass, a council-funded city arborist in the 2027-2028 budget, and a tree canopy projection before the November 18 recommendation (canopy was 38 percent in 2019 and 37 percent in 2023 against a 40 percent goal for 2050).
  • Staff said they expanded third-party review to all permits involving tree removal, added exception criteria that consider neighboring properties, and added trees at 30 inches diameter to the replacement tables. An on-staff arborist could be considered in future budgets.
  • Issues matrix: the code length item was closed and replaced with a new item on structure and navigation (intro explaining how the code is organized, hyperlinks, homeowner versus developer guidance). Items on third-party review and impervious surface, penalties (add a reference to the penalty table) and several others were closed; items raised by Commissioner Coleman stay open in his absence.
  • Commissioner Aparna kept open items on canopy data (including the watershed and a current baseline), where replacement trees would be planted, and code enforcement, and called the development tree credit system too complex and a possible barrier to smaller projects; she suggested a size threshold, with a simpler table below it. She said she had emailed about ten more questions, including relief for low-income owners and replacement of hazardous or dying heritage trees. The chair urged simpler rules, replacement of every lost tree and replanting in the neighborhoods losing the most canopy. Commissioners Bish and Gier asked for clearer guidance for homeowners; staff said they would explain their reasoning for the tree credit design.
  • Staff did not have a canopy projection and said the tree canopy strategic plan will be updated at a date not yet set. Discussion continues November 4.

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04:09Welcome to the October 14, 2026 meeting

04:12of the Redmond Planning Commission. I'd

04:14like to call this meeting to order.

04:16We'll start with a roll call.

04:18Commissioner Aperna,

04:19>> present.

04:20>> Commissioner Bish,

04:22>> present.

04:23>> Commissioner Gier,

04:25>> present.

04:26>> Commissioner Van Nyman,

04:27>> present. and Commissioner Coleman is

04:29excused for this evening. I'd like to

04:31also thank staff for being present.

04:33Lauren Alpbert, Becky Fry, Michael

04:36Hints, Cameron Zapata, and Abraham

04:39Wenda.

04:41And I just want to just conclude the the

04:43roll call with a note to the listening

04:45public that um chairperson

04:48Susan Weston has resigned from the

04:50planning commission and we thank her for

04:51her many years of service to the

04:52commission and to the community. With

04:55that said, um I'd like to approve the I

04:58look for a motion to approve the agenda.

05:00>> So moved.

05:01>> Second.

05:02>> All in favor?

05:03>> I I

05:04>> Thank you. That is approved. Any

05:06corrections to the meeting summary from

05:09last time from our last meeting?

05:12All right. Then I look for a motion to

05:13approve the meeting summary from

05:14September 23rd, 2026.

05:18>> So moved.

05:19>> Second.

05:20>> All in favor?

05:21>> I. that is also approved. So, our first

05:25item for tonight is the election of

05:27officers and typically elect officer

05:29elections happen once a year for

05:31chairperson and vice chair um for a

05:34one-year term. These elections normally

05:36take place in April. Um but since that

05:39chairperson is now vacant, the

05:40individuals elected tonight will serve

05:43the remainder of the current term, which

05:44will run through roughly uh March of

05:472027. So, first we'll elect our chirp.

05:50Commissioners are welcome to

05:51self-nominate if there are multiple

05:53nominations that will vote in the order

05:55in which they received. Any nominations

05:57for chair?

05:58>> I nominate Janine Voodier for chair.

06:04[snorts]

06:07>> I second that nomination.

06:10>> Okay. All in favor?

06:12>> I.

06:13>> Okay. And then I will serve as chair for

06:16the planning commission for the

06:17remainder of the term. So now we'll

06:20elect a vice chair using the same

06:22process. Any any nominations for a vice

06:24chair?

06:26Right. Then I'd like to nominate Adam

06:28Coleman. Adam Coleman's Commissioner

06:31Coleman, excuse me, is not here this

06:33evening, but he did express his desire

06:35to put his name in the house for the

06:37vice chair. Any seconds?

06:40>> Second.

06:42>> All right. All in favor?

06:44>> I I

06:45>> Okay. Commissioner Coleman is now Vice

06:48Chair Coleman and he'll serve out the

06:50remainder of the one-year term.

06:53Okay. So then that now we are we now

06:56have um now is the time for items from

06:58the audience on topics that are not

07:00related to tonight's hearings.

07:02Um

07:05do we have any any um

07:07>> we have one speaker this evening, Dr.

07:09David Morton.

07:10>> Dr. David Morton, if you can just uh uh

07:14voice out, you go up to the m to the mic

07:16and let us know your name and your

07:18address and you have three minutes to

07:19speak.

07:22Good evening, commissioners. I'm David

07:24Morton, Redmond 98053.

07:27I'd like to raise an issue that sits

07:29upgradient of many of your land use

07:31decisions. What do we know about PAS in

07:34Redmond's soil and groundwater? Two

07:37sites matter here. One is the former

07:39allwood recycling site, also known as

07:42DTG Recycle, listed by the Department of

07:45Ecology as cleanup site 3793,

07:48where a 2013 fire occurred and PAS foam

07:52was likely used. The other is the

07:55adjacent Evans Creek relocation site

07:57whose project depends on industrial

08:00resoning in the SEMIC manufacturing

08:03district. Both are located in Redmond's

08:06critical aquifer recharge areas which

08:09protect the city's drinking water

08:11supply. A 2011 hydrogeeologic assessment

08:15for the allwood recycling site states

08:17that the groundwater gradient is toward

08:20the west southwest. It places the site

08:23in the wellhead protection zone for

08:25Redmond's well number five. Supply wells

08:28one and two at Anderson [clears throat]

08:30Park lie about 1 and a half miles west

08:33southwest of DTG. Here's my concern.

08:36Land use designations, reszones, and

08:39stream relocations are decisions

08:41involving the movement of soil and

08:43water. Once ground is disturbed, a

08:46predisturbance baseline can no longer be

08:48collected. If we don't test before we

08:51dig, we don't know what was already

08:53there before disturbing the soil. That's

08:56why I asked the city council to fund

08:59soil and groundwater PAS testing at both

09:02locations in the 2027 to 2028 budget.

09:06Testing now is far less costly than

09:09discovering contamination after

09:11construction.

09:13I recognize the budget belongs to the

09:15council and that no action will be taken

09:17tonight. My request to you is within

09:20your role, my uh when you review

09:23comprehensive plan docket items and the

09:26zoning that follows, please ask staff a

09:29simple question. Has environmental

09:31baseline data, including PAS, been

09:34collected for the affected parcels? And

09:37if not, why not? Please also consider

09:40telling the council that you support

09:42funding PAS testing. Even a short note

09:45in your recommendations would signal

09:47that baseline data matters. Redmond has

09:50strong critical areas protections on

09:53paper. Their value depends on having

09:55data to apply them to. Baseline testing

09:59is how protection becomes enforcable

10:01rather than aspirational. Thank you for

10:04your service and for your time. I'm

10:06happy to provide the documents behind

10:08everything I've said tonight. Thank you.

10:12>> Thank you very much.

10:14Do we have any other speakers?

10:17>> Not for general comments.

10:19>> All right. Thank you. All right. Now, so

10:20now the transportation planning staff

10:22will hold a public hearing on the

10:24proposed repeal of the neighborhood comp

10:26connections map. This item is part of

10:29the 2627 planning uh comprehensive plan

10:32document. We have Michael Hints

10:34representing the staff.

10:53I'll repeat that. Good evening,

10:55commissioners. Michael Hint,

10:56transportation planning manager now on a

11:00hot mic and my slides are showing. Is

11:03one of the monitors out there? Looks

11:06like it.

11:08Um

11:10yeah, so I am here uh for this docket

11:13item, which is the repeal of

11:15neighborhood connection maps.

11:18And um I'm going to present some of the

11:21same information in a hopefully more

11:24abridged uh version than I presented on

11:26the 23rd of September.

11:29And I will run through these slides.

11:35Okay. So yeah, as I stated, the purpose

11:38um of this this docket item is um we're

11:43seeking planning commission and

11:44recommendation to amend the

11:46comprehensive plan.

11:48The newly adopted neighborhood

11:50connections map is uh in the TMP is

11:53included in the pedestrian uh plan

11:55section and is replicated in appendix G

11:59of the transation master plan. [snorts]

12:02And uh so I'm going to give you a little

12:04background

12:06and uh we'll move through that. The

12:09neighborhoods element was redlinined uh

12:12and remaining policies in that element

12:14have been incorporated by reference into

12:16the community development and design

12:19element as part of the Redmond 2050

12:21adoption process. This was reviewed and

12:24recommended by the planning commission

12:25on July 10th, 24th, 31st in 2024. Future

12:30updates to the neighborhood policies are

12:31included in the 2026 2027 docket as

12:35approved by council on August 3rd, 2026.

12:41Um so these are the maps um that have

12:46been included in the transportation

12:48master plan and they include um most of

12:52the connections that were um pulled over

12:56from the neighborhood elements in the

12:58comprehensive plan. Uh some connections

13:01were removed um due to a number of um

13:06reasons. One being they've already been

13:08built. Two being they are outside the

13:11city of Redmond. Three being um other

13:16adjacent connections uh whether on

13:18street or off streetet are present and

13:22it was deemed redundant.

13:24Uh there were many connections that were

13:26listed as sidewalks. We have our own

13:29sidewalk program and a sidewalk plan. Uh

13:32therefore those were removed from the

13:33neighborhood connections. And then

13:35lastly, a few um connections were deemed

13:39infeasible. Um and that's just due to

13:43constructibility, engineering cost, and

13:46the like. So very unlikely to be built

13:48in the future.

13:54And also um happy to provide a list of

13:57those those um connections that were

14:00removed if if planning commission

14:02desires to see those. So our request

14:05here is um

14:08with the adoption of the uh the

14:11transportation master plan in February

14:1326, neighborhood pedestrian connections

14:16from the neighborhood element and other

14:17city networkings have been consolidated

14:18into those maps in the TMP. And these

14:21new TMP maps replace the five

14:23neighborhood connection maps in the

14:25neighborhood elements of the

14:26comprehensive plan. These repealed maps

14:28include the connections map for Bear

14:31Creek, Education Hill, North Redmond,

14:33Southeast Redmond, and Northeast Rose

14:35Hill. All of these neighborhoods are

14:37shown in the newly adopted map in the

14:39TMP.

14:41References to these outdated maps in the

14:43text of the neighborhoods element will

14:45also be removed.

14:49So, there are two two options uh for a

14:52planning commission to consider. The

14:55first one is approval. Um, make a

14:58recommendation to approve the docket

15:00item to repeal the neighborhood

15:02connections maps in the comprehensive

15:04plan, replacing them with those in the

15:07uh adopted transportation master plan.

15:09Option two is combining this um this

15:12action with neighborhood docket item. um

15:16plan commission could recommend that

15:17this item be combined with the

15:19neighborhood planning project which is a

15:22separate docket item and uh which will

15:24be so amendments in the future uh to the

15:29neighborhood element.

15:33Just in terms of next steps, uh we're

15:35here tonight for the public hearing. Uh

15:38if if the commission chooses option one,

15:40we would return on October 28th for um

15:44the recommendation and report approval.

15:47If option two will be combined with the

15:49neighborhood planning updates, that will

15:50come to commission to review later in

15:522027. [clears throat]

15:57And that's that's all I have.

16:00>> Thank you very much. I think it's pretty

16:02straightforward. So they appreciate um

16:04the the presentation. Does anyone in the

16:06commission have questions? We can just

16:08go around the the room

16:14questions or comments.

16:16Okay. Commissioner Van Nimman. So I

16:20watched the meeting that I missed and I

16:24understand the point of the confusion

16:26but I

16:30from the planning commission's concern

16:32last time there was you know that the

16:34option one would create some confusion

16:36over the date outdated neighborhood um

16:40what are we calling them neighborhood

16:42planning neighborhood

16:44>> neighborhood element

16:46>> element element

16:48Um,

16:50and I understand that, but um, it is

16:54what it is. And cleaning the maps up

16:58right now eliminates a very clear point

17:00of confusion

17:02and that to me seems preferable.

17:05So option one,

17:07>> Commissioner Aparna,

17:09>> I uh would beg to differ and I would go

17:12with option two just because we don't

17:14want to do peace meal changes to the

17:17neighborhood element um everything. So

17:21at one go you would check for

17:22consistency across whatever remains of

17:25the neighborhood element and that would

17:27be the final approval. That would be my

17:29preference is to

17:32technically kick the can down the road.

17:37>> I am of the mindset to go with option

17:40two and the reason for that is just to

17:42create um a more holistic view um

17:46because this is one of of this is one um

17:50straightforward um adjustment but there

17:52are there are going to be others. Um the

17:54modernization is part of the 27 26 27

17:57docket. And I think there's there's we

17:59owe it to the community to provide a

18:01holistic view so that we can um see all

18:04the parts, see how they come together

18:05and really kind of follow the thread um

18:08in a more systematic way. This is a a

18:10substantive um the modernization is a

18:13substant substantive piece of of the

18:16docket and I'd like to see them I'd like

18:18to see us take a consideration of all

18:19the pieces at one time.

18:25Commissioner Van Nyman. So, am I missing

18:27something? Because the the question is

18:30the maps currently exist in two places.

18:32They do not match and we need to get rid

18:34of them in the one place where we don't

18:36like them because they're old and we're

18:38just going to keep them in the new

18:39place.

18:40So,

18:44like I'm not clear on when you talk

18:45about developing the whole doing it all

18:48at once and and you know doing it more

18:51holistically, you're still going to be

18:52referring back to the exact same maps

18:54whether they're in the document or not.

18:56The the question is just do we remove

18:58these maps that are confusing for people

19:01because they're they're not they're they

19:03are in an official document today and

19:06they're wrong. So why would we wait an

19:09entire year to remove something that is

19:11erroneous?

19:13>> Commissioner Aperna.

19:15>> Uh so the reason this whole question

19:17came up was because the neighborhood

19:19elements per se were not reviewed in

19:22detail during the comp plan review. So

19:24what that means is there is whole big

19:27work to be done reviewing the

19:29neighborhood plans. And

19:33so basically we haven't seen this stuff

19:36before and then we just kind of sideways

19:39looking at a couple of documents. That

19:40was one of the reasons. I personally

19:43think repealing two maps or three maps

19:45or 10 maps at a time and then repealing

19:48the text, repealing the thing that just

19:50adds docket noise. It's a it's a in my

19:53mind it's the clean way to do it is um

19:57nobody is looking at the neighborhood

20:00plan right now the plan element right

20:02now as the new set the latest maps are

20:05already in the TMP so that's where it's

20:08going to lie the text is outdated if the

20:12text and the maps are outdated it in my

20:15mind it does not make a difference when

20:17we update the text we remove all the

20:20extra the old stuff and it's a clean new

20:23place. Right? Now, if you update one

20:26part and you don't update the text part,

20:29then you've got a more confused public,

20:32right? Cuz now you've got these maps

20:34gone and then you've got now you can

20:36just say this whole document is old and

20:38antiquated and just wait till we update.

20:41Um, that's how I see it. And it's more

20:44like if you're going to keep doing this

20:46in pieces and it's going to take a few

20:48years because I think from a perspective

20:50of the neighborhood plan uh we are

20:52looking at grass lawn and I correct me

20:55if I'm wrong Lauren um but um I think

20:58one or two neighborhoods are going to be

21:00pilots. So this is probably going to

21:02take a few years. So why would we want

21:05to do this docket little little docket

21:07thing for many years? That's it's just

21:10noise in my mind. I just want to point

21:12out that we are doing the public hearing

21:14this evening. So, typically we do the

21:15the public comment for the public

21:17hearing, the verbal comments, and then

21:18we'll we can have a more robust

21:20discussion as well.

21:22>> Yeah, that Yeah, you need to open the

21:23public hearing.

21:24>> Oh, did I miss that? I apologize. Let's

21:27open the public hearing. We're doing

21:28things in reverse order.

21:33>> Okay.

21:33>> Who do we have from the public speaking

21:35this evening?

21:37>> Uh Dr. David Morton.

21:40>> Dr. David Morton.

21:45>> Good evening, commissioners. I'm David

21:47Morton, Redmond 98053.

21:50I'm speaking on the proposed repeal of

21:52the neighborhood connections maps. I

21:54support replacing the five old maps with

21:57the transportation master plan maps

21:59adopted in February 2026.

22:02Two sets of maps covering the same

22:05connections invite conflict and

22:07developers and staff deserve clarity

22:10about which map applies. My support

22:13comes with three requests. First, the

22:16staff memo says this item proposes no

22:18text changes and no other action is

22:21needed, but the neighborhoods element

22:22still cites these maps. Policy NBC30

22:26directs site plans to follow the Bear

22:28Creek connections map and policy NEH26

22:32refers readers to the Education Hill

22:34connections map. Once the maps are

22:37struck, those policies point to nothing.

22:40Please direct staff to update those

22:42references to the TMP figures. Mr. Hint

22:45just promised that will happen. Second,

22:48the technical committee report says

22:51infeasible connections were removed from

22:53the adopted TMP map. The materials I

22:57reviewed don't identify which ones.

23:00Please ask staff for a crosswalk listing

23:02each connection on the old maps and

23:05whether it was retained, modified, or

23:07removed and why. That lets the public

23:10confirm that nothing was dropped by

23:12accident. Third, TMP appendix G, table

23:161, will now carry the weight these maps

23:19once did. As printed, several entries

23:22have blank from and two fields, and

23:25entries 6 and 26 repeat the same

23:28pedestrian spine description. That table

23:31should be clean before it becomes the

23:33sole reference. I also note the issues

23:37matrix where Commissioner Weston asked

23:39whether this is the right place for the

23:41change. staff responded that appendix H

23:44no longer exists and that remaining

23:46transportation element appendix listings

23:49will be removed from the online

23:51document. Please ask staff to confirm

23:53that cleanup is complete. Option two,

23:57[clears throat] combining this item with

23:59the 2027 neighborhoods update would

24:02address some of this, but it would leave

24:04two sets of maps in force into 2027. and

24:08staff also acknowledge potential

24:11confusion about what applies. I

24:14therefore recommend option one, approval

24:17conditioned on the three requests above.

24:20Clean, traceable plan documents serve

24:22residents, developers, and the natural

24:25areas that these connections cross.

24:27Thank you, and I'm glad to answer any

24:29questions that you have.

24:33>> Thank you. Do we have anyone anyone else

24:35from the public?

24:36No, there's no further comment on the

24:38public hearing.

24:39>> Then we'll close the verbal component of

24:41the public hearing and leave the written

24:43component open.

24:46Okay.

24:47>> And so this we we now segue into the U

24:50study session element of the

24:52neighborhood elements map.

25:01Commissioner um Commissioner Gier.

25:04>> Um I have uh I think a question for

25:07staff and it piggybacks on something

25:09that Commissioner Aparna had said in her

25:11comment. I'm trying to sort of wrap my

25:14brain around who right now is relying or

25:17reviewing the old maps compared to the

25:21new maps.

25:24>> Yeah, great question. It is conceivable

25:26that um a developer development would

25:30reference the neighborhood element. Um

25:33that said, staff are um if they're not

25:38already aware, they could be made aware

25:40that those maps no longer apply and the

25:44the neighborhood connection maps in the

25:47TMP are what should be followed.

25:52>> Can I be greedy and ask a second

25:53question?

25:54>> You may. All right. So, a second

25:55question also to piggyback on um what

25:58Dr. Morton had said because I you

25:59dropped this as an option and it

26:01immediately jumped out to me is I'm

26:03interested in that as somebody who uh we

26:06have used neighborhood connections a

26:08great deal. My family has never been

26:10eligible for the school bus even though

26:12we live 2 miles from the school. So, we

26:14have walked from elementary schools to

26:16middle schools to high schools. And so,

26:20um, the idea that things have fallen off

26:22the map or, uh, I'm sorry, I can't

26:25remember the word right now that you had

26:26used, they're not feasible. There were,

26:30there were several, uh, pro connections

26:33that were deemed infeasible, but I will

26:34say the vast majority of the connections

26:36that were removed from the neighborhood

26:38element maps were uh, due to them

26:41already being built.

26:44uh they were listed as sidewalks and

26:46we're addressing sidewalks through our

26:48pedestrian plan, our sidewalk plan. So,

26:50they're not really considered

26:51neighborhood connections. Neighborhood

26:53connections are off- streetet pathways

26:55as you're familiar with. Um and uh in

26:59some cases there, yeah, there's

27:02redundant street or trail connection

27:04within very close proximity.

27:06>> Okay. I for me having that listing uh

27:10specified in writing gives clarity. Um

27:15when I think about some of the goals of

27:172050 about this being a walkable right

27:20community

27:21>> in areas where that things were deemed

27:24not feasible or they dropped off having

27:26clarity about why that evaluation was I

27:28think will just be helpful. So I echo um

27:33that that piece.

27:40Commissioner Para. So um this is in

27:43advance of if we decide to vote tonight

27:46or not. But if if the commission decides

27:49to go with option two, I would request

27:52staff to have a note uh somewhere in the

27:56neighborhood plan place which says hey

28:00coming attraction you know uh just

28:03because you want to make it clear that

28:05this thing hasn't been updated in a

28:07while and it's not just for the plans

28:09but for the entire neighborhood policies

28:13which are upcoming. Um I may may I

28:17respond? Yeah. Thank you. Um just to

28:20make a note, one of the reasons we left

28:22the um the neighborhood element um in

28:25its current format and didn't update it

28:27to kind of the format that Redmond 2050

28:29was to and included the actual red lines

28:31in that element is to indicate that um

28:34it is still very much um an outdated

28:37document and a draft that's going to be

28:39updated. Um, so I just wanted to make

28:41that note that it's, you know, we can

28:43also add some text to that effect that,

28:46um, it'll be updated and this is a

28:48remainder from the the Redmond 2030 plan

28:51that's still in effect.

28:53>> Thank you. I think that's that's that's

28:55would be great and even if option one

28:57went through, it's the same same logic

29:00because all the rest of it hasn't been

29:02updated. So, uh, thank you for that,

29:04Lauren.

29:06If I may, when is the timing for the for

29:08the um the the follow-up docket item?

29:11>> Um for the neighborhood docket item, we

29:13are anticipating coming to you uh I

29:15think it's slated for an intro in end of

29:18February. Um and

29:20>> conclusion by

29:21>> um

29:22>> roughly

29:22>> depending on the discussion. I'd have to

29:24look at my notes, but April or May.

29:26>> Okay. It's about six months.

29:29Okay.

29:30Does anyone need any additional

29:32information to um weigh in on a on an

29:36option?

29:41Commissioner Bish, did you

29:43>> Yes, please.

29:45Um, I mean, I guess I personally don't

29:47really see the main benefit of just

29:49waiting until the 2027 neighborhood

29:52element update because I guess instead

29:55of just removing the old maps now, even

29:58though there might be confusion, I feel

29:59like it's better or it might be better

30:02if people like are introduced to a newer

30:05map earlier.

30:08Okay,

30:12>> Commissioner Gier,

30:13>> I think ultimately I feel the same as uh

30:16Commissioner Vanimman and Commissioner

30:17Bish that

30:20holding off on this, holding off on

30:22potentially the inevitable. Does it make

30:24sense to me? and especially if we have

30:27folks in the community who are relying

30:29on something that's already maps that

30:31are in the transportation master plan.

30:33Um, option one makes the most sense to

30:36me.

30:39>> Okay.

30:40>> So then is so Michael, so are we at the

30:43point now where we make a we vote

30:45tonight or do we make a vote uh on the

30:4828th helping out with the process?

30:52Yeah, I think we're looking for

30:54direction from commission.

30:56>> Okay.

31:01>> I would just say one more thing.

31:02>> Yes, Commissioner Van. Um, I would just

31:05say that

31:08to to me the the sta staff has come to

31:11us with a request for a reason that

31:16that even though this is outdated.

31:20um that the current maps are a point of

31:24confusion

31:26and that

31:28we can resolve this in a pretty easy

31:32manner

31:34um

31:36instead of waiting. And and I I would

31:39have I I guess what I'm saying is I

31:41trust that staff has come to us with

31:42this for a good reason.

31:49I'm support I'm going to change my mind

31:51on this. Um and I I give myself

31:54permission to um change my mind based on

31:56updated information and I'm going to

31:58support I'm I'm in supportive of of

32:01option one. Oh, Commissioner um Gang,

32:04>> I think can I make a motion that we

32:06support um position number one with the

32:08caveat that Dr. Morton had highlighted

32:10and that um staff had indicated they

32:13would be willing to do to make sure that

32:15by that next then if we hold this for uh

32:19recommendation and report approval on

32:21the 28th can at that time we have what

32:23we've talked about now that additional

32:25information about the things that have

32:27fallen off that next meeting.

32:29>> Yeah, no problem.

32:31>> Yeah, it was [laughter] it was that's my

32:34motion.

32:34>> It was a very big and bold motion and I

32:36think it's a very good one.

32:38>> [snorts]

32:38>> So, so can if staff is willing to do

32:40that um and can do that for the 20.

32:42>> Yeah, we have we have a list. Just need

32:43to clean it up a little bit and

32:45>> yeah,

32:45>> no problem.

32:46>> Okay. So, I think we have a plan

32:47forward.

32:49>> Second the motion.

32:52>> All is this this is where all in favor?

32:55>> I

32:56>> I

32:59>> I

33:01Okay. So, we're going to move forward

33:03with option one with the caveats.

33:07Okay. So, staff will prepare a report

33:10and um for your approval next week for

33:13next meeting.

33:16>> We can do that next session. Can we can

33:18we um actually as a point of

33:19clarification, can we close the written

33:20portion next session or do we have to do

33:22that tonight?

33:24>> Um I think you can leave it open.

33:27>> Okay. Then we'll leave it open till the

33:2928th

33:30and then we'll close it. Yeah. All

33:32right. All right. So, we're going to

33:33move to the next item of the agenda and

33:34that is the p uh the transportation

33:37planning staff will hold a public

33:38hearing on the updates to the trans to

33:40the TFP, the transportation facilities

33:42plan. Um, and this item is part of the

33:452627 comprehensive plan document. So, do

33:48we have any speakers uh for this

33:50evening?

33:52>> Dr. David Morton. [laughter]

33:55>> Dr. Morton, three minutes. And please

33:59state your name and your address,

34:00please. [clears throat]

34:02Good evening, commissioners. I'm David

34:04Morton, Redmond 98053.

34:06I'm commenting on the transportation

34:09facilities plan project updates, and I

34:12support shared use paths. My specific

34:15concerns are about the record supporting

34:17them. First, the environmental analysis

34:21for criteria F and G. The technical

34:24committee reports attachment A says not

34:27applicable and that the projects do not

34:30propose impacts to critical areas, but

34:33it shows no analysis behind that

34:35conclusion. The report's summary table

34:38simply says meets the proposed Northeast

34:4170th Street path runs to the Evans Creek

34:44Trail. Please ask staff whether stream

34:47or buffer review was actually done for

34:50that segment and what is what it found.

34:53Second prioritization. The TFP

34:56introduction states each project has

34:59been prioritized into near and medium

35:02and longer term. But in the issues

35:04matrix, staff answered a commissioner's

35:06question on September 23rd by saying TFP

35:10projects are not prioritized in any way.

35:13These statements conflict. Please have

35:16staff reconcile them because time frame

35:19drives expectations about when these

35:21paths get built. Third, cost and scope.

35:25The technical committee report says this

35:28amendment adds a project ID,

35:30description, and cost for the two new

35:32paths. The memo and presentation I

35:35reviewed show no cost estimate or time

35:38frame for either new row. Also, the

35:41Northeast 72nd Street project now

35:44includes a shared use path. Yet, its

35:47estimate remains $2,17,000.

35:51The TFP is described as financially

35:54constrained, so adding scope without

35:56revising cost deserves explanation.

36:00Fourth, the procedural record. The

36:02technical committee reports running page

36:04headers read repeal neighborhood

36:06connections maps apparently left over

36:09from another item. The report cites SEPA

36:12file number 00136

36:15while the determination of

36:16non-significant sites 00155.

36:21The report says the sea comment and

36:24appeal meth uh the sea comment and

36:26appeal period ran from September 23rd to

36:30October 14th, but the determination

36:33issued August 3rd lists comments due

36:36August 17th and appeals due September

36:391st. Appeals rights depend on accurate

36:43dates. I ask the commission to hold its

36:46recommendation or condition it until

36:48staff correct these items and answer

36:50these questions in the record. Staff

36:52anticipate a recommendation on October

36:5528th. So, there's time to correct the

36:57record before then. Clean documents

36:59protect the city and they protect the

37:01public's ability to rely on them. Thank

37:04you.

37:05>> Thank you very much. Do we have any

37:08other speakers?

37:11Okay. So, this closes the verbal part of

37:14the public um public comments and we'll

37:17keep the written part in the written

37:19part open. So, now we'll segue into the

37:22study session

37:25presentation.

37:29Yeah, I do have a few slides I'd like to

37:30share with you. Um provide some more

37:32information.

37:51Okay. So the purpose of this um docket

37:54item is to seek um planning comm uh

37:59planning commission recommendation to

38:00amend the Redmond comprehensive plan and

38:03specifically the transportation

38:04facilities plan in the transportation

38:07master plan. Um

38:10and I'll give you some background and

38:12walk through exactly what uh changes we

38:14are making or proposing to make or have

38:17been made rather. Um, so the docket item

38:21includes two new projects

38:23that would be added to the TFP. Both are

38:26shared use paths that would provide

38:27additional low stress bicycle and

38:29pedestrian infrastructure.

38:31The locations include Northeast 40th

38:3440th Street between 158th Avenue

38:36Northeast and 156th Avenue Northeast.

38:40Northeast 70th Street uh between 188th

38:44Avenue Northeast and the Evans Creek

38:45Trail. Both locations are related to

38:48adjacent parcels where redevelopment

38:50projects are occur occurring or have the

38:53potential to occur in the future.

38:56Uh the the EES Avalon apartments on

38:59Northeast 40th Street, for example, are

39:01currently in the permitting phase.

39:04uh

39:06project ID number, description, and cost

39:08would be added to tables three and four

39:11in the TFP. And the locations shown on

39:13the reference map on this slide would be

39:15added to the maps in the TFP on page 271

39:20through 275.

39:23And uh just to respond to the comment

39:27about cost, uh staff still needs to

39:30estimate the cost for these projects and

39:32that information will be added as well.

39:37[clears throat]

39:41And then finally, uh there's just a an

39:44an add an edit to an existing project in

39:47the TFP, which is Northeast 72nd Street.

39:50this was an oversight when we were doing

39:53the the TFP update uh that this project

39:57also includes a shared use path. So,

39:59we're just making sure that that is

40:00specified in that project description.

40:06So, uh in terms of next steps, the

40:09public hearing study session is

40:12happening tonight and then uh

40:14anticipated planning commission

40:15recommendation and report approval on

40:17the 28th. And now I open up for the

40:21study session or your questions.

40:24>> Thank you very much. This I appreciate

40:26the the detailed update here.

40:29>> And now I'd like to open up to any

40:30commissioners who have questions or

40:32comments.

40:34Commissioner Aerna.

40:36>> Um I believe Dr. Martin's comments

40:39should be added into the matrix and we

40:41would like responses to that. um

40:44especially related to the dates uh

40:47anomalies that he pointed to um and any

40:51corrections that need to be made before

40:53we sign off on this.

40:56>> I support that.

41:00Anyone else?

41:04>> Okay. So, I I'd like to see that added

41:06to the the the um matrix as well. I'd

41:09like to see the cleanup um prior to

41:11approving this

41:14Okay. So, if there any if there aren't

41:16any other questions, then we have the

41:18next item, which is the um

41:23the uh we'll now hold a public hearing

41:25on and study session on the tree code

41:27update.

41:29Um who do we have from the public?

41:35>> Oh, sorry. Thank you.

41:37>> I forgot my manners. Thank you. Very

41:39appreciative.

41:43Um, we've got

41:47uh Dr. David Morton for the tree code. I

41:50don't know if the staff has a few intro

41:52slides that they'd like to do first and

41:54then we can do the public comment and

41:56then we can address the discussion and

41:59matrix.

42:01>> Okay.

42:01>> Does that work?

42:02>> Yeah, that works.

42:03>> So, we have Cameron

42:04>> Sapata.

42:08We're also joined uh by Lauren Anderson.

42:11She's virtual because she's sick.

42:13>> Cameron Sapata and Lauren Anderson

42:14representing staff.

42:21Um, good evening everyone. Um, I'm

42:23Lauren Anderson, senior planner, and I'm

42:25accompanied by Cameron Zapata, Park

42:28Senior Planner. We are here today for

42:30the Tree Code public hearing followed by

42:33the Tree Code study session.

42:38The layout for this topic includes the

42:41public hearing followed by the study

42:43session where we'll go over growth

42:45protection and tree protection as well

42:48as uh the influence of the tree canopy

42:51strategic plan and then the staff

42:54recommended changes to the code and the

42:57review of the issues matrix.

43:05We have a couple of slides to go over.

43:07Uh so please hold your comments and

43:09questions until we get to um that

43:11portion of the uh slide.

43:17Here are the big changes we're making.

43:20We've cleaned up the definitions and

43:22incorporated a tree credit calculation

43:24for development projects.

43:26[clears throat]

43:27Enforcement and penalties are clear and

43:30we've expanded how fe dollars can be

43:32used. We've also updated the criteria

43:35for tree exceptions and we now require a

43:38one toone replacement for hazardous

43:40landmark [clears throat] and heritage

43:42trees. There are some new development

43:44flexibilities plus clear guidance on

43:47tree protection zones before, during,

43:50and after construction. Programmatic

43:53permitting is also introduced for city

43:55improvement projects and internal

43:57projects. And we now call out heritage

43:59and culturally modified trees.

44:02[clears throat] And finally, the tree

44:04replacement rules are more intentional

44:07where we are prioritizing conifers and

44:10allowing replacements on site, offsite,

44:13or through a fianl.

44:15These changes address clarity,

44:17consistency, and stronger tree

44:19protection.

44:24So we have the following uh planning

44:26commission meetings. So we have November

44:274th study session and then November 18th

44:31study session and recommendation with uh

44:34the approval in December

44:37and then January of 2027 uh beginning

44:40the council process and we anticipate

44:43adoption in March 2027

44:46with the effective date of June 2027.

44:50This allows three months for um post

44:54entitlement or sorry post approval

44:57adoption plan uh which includes public

45:00education, staff training, updates to

45:04applications

45:06and creating easyto read guides and

45:08multiple other items.

45:13And now we're opening it up for public

45:15comment and questions.

45:17[clears throat]

45:19Dr. David Morton.

45:27>> Yes. I'd like to officially open the

45:28public hearing hearing and we have Dr.

45:31David Morton.

45:33Good evening, commissioners. I'm David

45:35Morton. Thank you for putting my

45:37September questions into the tree code

45:39issues matrix. I have four requests

45:42based on staff responses. First,

45:45third-party review. Staff's updated

45:48draft includes third-party permit review

45:51in 217207H,

45:54but only at the administrator's

45:56discretion, at the applicant's expense,

45:58and with mutual agreement between city

46:01and applicant on the choice of reviewer.

46:04No trigger requires it. And 070H.2

46:08two describes reviewing the exception

46:11request against the criteria below that

46:14appear in 21721

46:16150 C. Please define when review is

46:20mandatory such as any hazard

46:22determination or any use of the

46:24impervious surface provision and make

46:27the reviewer independent of the

46:29applicant. Second, imperous surface.

46:33Section 217200C2

46:37excuses a project from the 35% retention

46:41requirement when retention would limit

46:43it to less than 85% of allowed imperous

46:47surface. Staff's matrix says going below

46:5135% requires an exception request, but

46:55the draft exception section does not

46:58list it. And C.2 two requires no

47:01request, no findings, and no proof that

47:04retention actually limits the project.

47:06The exception tests, including

47:09minimizing tree loss and protecting

47:11public welfare, never apply. Staff says

47:15it would review the applicant's arborist

47:17report to verify need. The code should

47:20say so and require independent review.

47:23Third, the arborist position. staff says

47:26an arborist may be considered in future

47:29bud budget cycles and calls third-party

47:32review the solution until then that's a

47:35stop gap not oversight uses uses of the

47:39fee inlue already include hiring or

47:41contracting a qualified tree

47:43professional I ask that the commission's

47:46recommendation urge council to fund a

47:49city arborist in the 2027 to 2028 budget

47:53fourth canopy trajectory Tory tree

47:56canopy dropped from 38% in 2019 to 37%

48:00in 2023 with a 40% goal for 2050. Has

48:05the city modeled where Canopy is

48:08heading? Staff's answer points to the

48:10dashboard and anticipates a dip, but

48:13offers no projection. Please ask staff

48:16for a canopy projection before the

48:18November 18th recommendation so the

48:21commission knows how strong these rules

48:23must be. In short, define when

48:26independent review is required, close

48:29the 35% bypass, fund the arborist, and

48:34quantify the canopy trajectory.

48:36Independent verification makes

48:38protection in Redmond's tree code

48:40enforceable. Thank you.

48:43Thank you very much Dr. Morton.

48:46So this now closes the verbal part of

48:50the public hearing and we'll keep the

48:52written part open.

48:54Okay. And I think the next part of this

48:56uh study session is the issues matrix

49:03>> and we have a couple slides to go.

49:05>> We have a couple slides.

49:06>> Yeah. And then the issues matrix.

49:08>> Okay. Let's do the the slides and then

49:10the the matrix then. Sorry.

49:14The intent of this study session is to

49:17provide a refresher or more context to

49:19other adopted plans and their influence

49:22on this tree code update. Um, we also

49:24wanted to point out uh recommended edits

49:27to the tree code draft which were

49:28influenced by the planning commission's

49:30comments from last month. and then we'll

49:33open it up to the the issues matrix and

49:35determine which of those items can be

49:37closed and if there are any additional

49:39items for staff to respond to or provide

49:42clarity.

49:46So to update the tree regulations

49:48effectively, we first need to understand

49:51the larger framework with which we

49:52operate in. And under the growth

49:54management act, Redmond's located in the

49:57urban growth boundary. And this requires

49:59the city to continue recommending

50:01accommodating

50:03population growth within that boundary

50:06to limit urban sprawl. And so our

50:09challenge is finding the right balance

50:11between those state state mandated the

50:13statemandated growth and the city's goal

50:16for tree retention, protection and

50:18replacement. Um Redmond 2050 identifies

50:22future growth in the three urban centers

50:24downtown Overlake and Marymore Village.

50:27And the proposed tree code must align

50:29with Redmond 2050 and with other code

50:33updates that support infill development,

50:35middle housing, and increased density.

50:37all while moving toward that 40% tree

50:39canopy goal. The tree code guides how

50:43trees are removed and protected both for

50:45development and non-development

50:46activities um from a homeowner removing

50:50a backyard tree um to a major mixeduse

50:53project.

50:56Then we have the tree canopy strategic

50:58plan and this plan was adopted by city

51:00council in 2019 and it's a cross-

51:03departmental strategic plan and it sets

51:05the tree canopy goal and provide

51:07strategies to achieve that goal. Um and

51:11at this time at the time the tree canopy

51:13strategic plan was developed the tree

51:14canopy was at 38% and then the latest

51:18data we have from 2023 puts it at 37%.

51:22The tree canopy um has likely decreased

51:25due to urbanization and then replacement

51:27with different species. Uh delay between

51:30removing those mature trees and um um

51:35the replacement trees maturing and

51:37adding to tree canopy.

51:40To add to the tree canopy, um there's

51:42also invasive species and then limited

51:44resources for natural area management

51:46and restoration.

51:48The plan recognizes that in urban center

51:51in urban centers the canopy is likely to

51:54decrease due to the nature of the uses

51:56for those zones. Um, additionally the

51:59tree canopy strategic plan does lay out

52:01an implementation strategy to achieve

52:04the 40% and that includes these seven

52:07methods shown in this pie chart. Um,

52:09regulation just being one prong or one

52:11one aspect of those strategies to get to

52:15um the 40%. So it's a multi multiaceted

52:18approach.

52:24And so based on the comments and the

52:26questions we received from the September

52:2823rd study session meeting, we've made

52:32some recommended updates to the code

52:34draft. So our first one was to um expand

52:38the third-party review option to section

52:402172070G

52:43which would encompass all permits which

52:45include tree removals. We've also added

52:48um exception criteria which would

52:50consider impacts to neighboring

52:51properties and then also addressed um

52:55the tree replacement tables to ensure

52:57that trees at 30 in in diameter breast

53:00height are included.

53:05And so staff provided the issues matrix

53:07um with the planning commission packet

53:10and um staff has provided responses from

53:15the September study session. And so the

53:17questions that we'll have is um if those

53:20responses will satisfy your comments and

53:22questions and which items can be closed

53:24and of those comments that do remain

53:26open um can there be uh can clarity be

53:30provided?

53:32Um and then we heard recent comments

53:34about the possibility of adding an

53:36arborist to staff and um as we heard at

53:40this time the code is written to allow

53:42for that third party review which means

53:44a qualified external arborist can verify

53:47the arborist reports as part of the

53:50permit process. And in the future um an

53:53onstaffed arborist can be considered in

53:55the f in future budget cycles. And if

53:58you're interested in participating in

54:00that budget process, we did provide a

54:02link in the issues matrix.

54:05Um, and then our last ask is um if the

54:08planning commission is ready to move to

54:10recommendation or if the planning

54:12commission um would require another

54:14study session on November 4th.

54:17Thank you.

54:23>> Thank you very much. So, does this lead

54:25us next to the um issues matrix

54:30issues matrix? Do we

54:33do you want me to pull it up?

54:35>> Yes. I'd like to review the the issues

54:37matrix now because I know there are a

54:38number of items that we need to um go

54:40through and hopefully close.

55:17Yeah. Can we go through the the can we

55:20go through the issues matrix?

55:21>> Okay. Sorry, I'm not used to this

55:23format. Um so the first comment um was

55:26that the code is too long at 97 pages

55:29and so we did clarify that those 97

55:31pages did include um the references. So

55:34in total the 2172 is 39 pages. Um and

55:40then with the with the reference updates

55:44it made it 97 pages.

55:46>> Since this was um since this is Chair

55:48Weston's um question I'm going to I I do

55:51have a comment to this. I do appreciate

55:54the the the response here. The the one

55:57comment that I had as I was going

55:59through the um the draft is that you

56:02have both um

56:06uh you have both developer and homeowner

56:12vacasillating from from chapter to

56:14chapter. And it gets a little bit

56:16confusing because if I'm a homeowner, I

56:17just want to know can I cut my tree or

56:19what are my requirements? And so I have

56:22to sift through the developer um

56:24sections to get to that clarity. And if

56:27I'm a developer, I'm sifting past the

56:29the homeowner piece. So my only comment

56:31is that it would be really helpful if

56:33there's a way in which maybe we have is

56:35it is there is there is it possible to

56:37have maybe two sections. The one is the

56:40homeowner section and one is the uh the

56:42developer section so that it's easier

56:43for people to quickly go through. And

56:46the reason why I say that is because the

56:48requirements,

56:50demands, the the the impacts are

56:53different. They're very they're

56:54materially materially different for a

56:56homeowner than they are from a for a

56:59developer. And it's easy to to

57:02lose track of what chapter you're on and

57:03then make the wrong conclusions.

57:07>> And I will clarify. So for um the what

57:12you're talking about homeowner versus

57:14developer um we do call like the

57:16homeowner section non-development

57:18related. Um so maybe that helps to

57:21clarify

57:22um but as part of our um postapproval

57:26actions. So those three months between

57:28approval and the effective approval by

57:31the city council and the three months to

57:34get to the effective date. We do plan to

57:36have um public engagement or public

57:40education to help folks understand when

57:43a tree removal permit is required. Um so

57:46we do have a postapproval plan that's

57:49pretty robust to help educate the public

57:51as well as staff on what the

57:53requirements are for both homeowners and

57:56developers. Um along with that we'll

57:58include some updates to handouts and

58:01also some easyto read guides so that

58:02people are able to quickly get to what

58:05they're looking for.

58:07>> Okay. So then if I understand you

58:08correctly, you the structure of the

58:12draft would probably would likely remain

58:14the same, but that there would be

58:15perhaps a one page or or an easier to

58:17digest

58:19um visual or document so that a

58:22homeowner can quickly understand what

58:25the the what what the rules are. And the

58:28same thing for a developer. Did I

58:30understand that correctly?

58:31>> That's correct. And the reason for the

58:34complexity or the the technical side of

58:36of the code is because not only are we

58:38having homeowners looking at the code,

58:41but we also have more technical people

58:43looking at it too, like arborists and

58:45developers. And when it does come to

58:48trees, there is a technical aspect to it

58:50that you do have to speak to in order to

58:52get that clarity. So maybe that that

58:56responds to why it is so complex because

58:58we do have the vast um audience reading

59:02the the code.

59:03>> Yeah. No, I appreciate it is complex.

59:05It's just the the way it's presented.

59:07Anyway, uh Commissioner Apara

59:09could tack on to that. I think having in

59:12the introduction a sort of

59:15the structure explained would really

59:18help because that's not seen in the

59:20introduction. you've got like the

59:22principles and the driving principles

59:24and all of that. So if you say this is

59:28how the code is structured like

59:31non-development development uh city

59:34replacement and uh construction post

59:38construction uh those sections if it's

59:41very clear and you maybe even have like

59:44hyperlinks in the eventual document that

59:47will really help because it's sort of a

59:50how-to guide. the introduction has to be

59:52a how to guide as well. Um because

59:55otherwise it's so personally I would say

59:58leave this open with this additional

1:00:02thing and if you could bring it back

1:00:03with that if if chair is okay with that.

1:00:06>> I I'd like to keep this open. I think

1:00:07the navigation point is a really

1:00:09important point for the for the

1:00:10community members who are reading this

1:00:12code. So, Commissioner Van,

1:00:15>> I would just suggest closing the length

1:00:18one and adding another one that's under

1:00:21your name with a new topic which is

1:00:26because you're not discussing length,

1:00:27you're discussing format.

1:00:32>> Yeah, I'm fine with that. I'm fine with

1:00:34for the clar for the purpose of clarity.

1:00:36I'm fine with closing this item, but but

1:00:37that's the the the structure and how you

1:00:41navigate the um the code is is an

1:00:44important piece. So, let's add that.

1:00:46Let's replace this with that.

1:00:47>> That's very clear. Thank you.

1:00:49>> Thank you. Um do any uh can we move on

1:00:52to the uh so that item is closed. Okay.

1:00:58>> So, our next one is to respond to two of

1:01:01uh Dr. Borton's comments. One is to

1:01:04address uh the private arborist. Um and

1:01:08then also for imperous surface

1:01:15and so staff recommended um

1:01:18incorporating the third party review um

1:01:21being required under

1:01:23or for these these following scenarios

1:01:30for the first one.

1:01:32>> Yeah. So

1:01:37>> commissioner comments no commissioner

1:01:40para

1:01:41>> see I know that in a comment below

1:01:44there's questions about hey we don't do

1:01:47scenarios in code but without the

1:01:50scenario this doesn't make sense

1:01:53like it the code is extremely dense

1:01:56maybe people will understand maybe

1:01:58there's an arborist who understands but

1:01:59the arber is not going to understand the

1:02:01ratio of the trees based on the land use

1:02:04and so on like you're expecting

1:02:07expertise on expertise on expertise. So

1:02:10having even if it's in the handout or

1:02:14something a whole bunch of scenarios or

1:02:16not necessarily handout but a an

1:02:18interactive thing which says here are

1:02:21some hypothetical

1:02:23scenarios uh that don't really make like

1:02:26what you've explained is very clear

1:02:28right but it's not it doesn't pop out in

1:02:31the code. Um, so

1:02:36my recommendation would be to have this

1:02:39as a significant attachment to the

1:02:41education component that you are talking

1:02:43about. Um, because if you're saying it

1:02:46can't be done in the code, it has to be

1:02:48done somewhere because the example is

1:02:50clearer to me than the code.

1:02:54Yeah, I I'd add that the complexity does

1:02:57require a lot there's a lot of math

1:03:00[snorts] and there's a lot there's a

1:03:01need to pull out the ruler. So having

1:03:03ways for people to visualize

1:03:06a way to translate this would will make

1:03:08things a little less complicated.

1:03:11>> I do want to recognize that the equation

1:03:14that um does require some math. Um it is

1:03:17an equation that is used throughout

1:03:19other jurisdictions. Um so I do think

1:03:22that um folks who will be re using it

1:03:25will likely be developers or people

1:03:27looking to develop and so they might

1:03:29have a little more familiarity with that

1:03:31equation. Um, just for some context,

1:03:37>> I I would just add that for the um the

1:03:40homeowner who perhaps is not familiar um

1:03:43with with um with algebra or math

1:03:46formulas or the complexity that um

1:03:49arburists are are and developers are

1:03:51familiar with. If we can find a way to

1:03:52help visualize for for them, that would

1:03:54be really beneficial.

1:03:57>> Great.

1:03:59Okay. So, I think we can close this

1:04:02then.

1:04:06Um, and I'm fine with closing item three

1:04:09and four unless someone did you have a

1:04:12>> Yeah.

1:04:12>> So, on on item three, I wanted just for

1:04:17reference in the document. We can close

1:04:18it, but I thought that the answer didn't

1:04:22fully address the question and that

1:04:25there's um I don't have it in front of

1:04:27me, but the table

1:04:30has the penalties listed. If you could

1:04:32reference that table specifically in

1:04:35that answer and then you

1:04:37>> Oh my god, I'm so sorry. So, there's a

1:04:40table in the document that lists the

1:04:43penalties and if you could reference the

1:04:46table specifically in the answer and

1:04:48then we could I mean you you're taking

1:04:50her items. I mean, I'm just saying I

1:04:53didn't think that the answer really

1:04:56addressed the question, which is what

1:04:57are the penalties?

1:05:01And then, um,

1:05:04I did feel like there was still this

1:05:06open question, and I don't know if we

1:05:08want to discuss it further about

1:05:10repeated violations

1:05:12and doing business in Redmond.

1:05:16I don't know if that's anything that

1:05:18would be covered in the code or the

1:05:20penalty table,

1:05:23but that question wasn't really answered

1:05:26there.

1:05:28>> Let's add the the the link to the to

1:05:30that language just for for ease of

1:05:32reference. Thank you. And then I'm fine

1:05:36with closing it once that's done.

1:05:39Um, and then does any do any of the

1:05:41commissioners have qu I'm fine with

1:05:42closing question four unless anyone has

1:05:44questions or need for clarity. I've

1:05:47already read through it and I'm

1:05:48satisfied with the with the with the

1:05:50response from staff.

1:05:54Okay. And that us the next one.

1:06:04Yeah, we're going to keep um the

1:06:06questions raised by commission vice

1:06:08chair Coleman open since he's not here

1:06:10today. So that would apply to item

1:06:12number five and six and seven

1:06:16and eight.

1:06:29So, if you if staff could walk us

1:06:31through the response to um question nine

1:06:34because I do have some additional

1:06:35follow-up questions and I'm sure some of

1:06:36the other commissioners will as well.

1:06:39>> Um so, this question is asking about

1:06:41modeling that's done to um project the

1:06:44canopy loss. Um we currently don't have

1:06:47that data. Um but we do point out that

1:06:50the tree canopy strategic plan, it does

1:06:53have that 40% goal uh by 2050. Um, we do

1:06:58also have the tree canopy dashboard um

1:07:01that does show what the tree canopy

1:07:05looked like from I believe it's 2019

1:07:09um to 2023, but um don't take my word

1:07:12for that. Um but we do have a link to

1:07:15that dashboard. um the tree canopy

1:07:18strategic plan, it does recognize that

1:07:21there will likely be a dip in our tree

1:07:23canopy just because of the nature of

1:07:25increased density within the entire

1:07:27city. Um and um so the tree canopy plan

1:07:32does um recognize that, but it also

1:07:35includes an implementation plan of seven

1:07:39seven different strategies to um help us

1:07:42get to that 40%. And so those seven

1:07:45different strategies include education

1:07:47and awareness, increased city-led

1:07:49planting, private planting by

1:07:52incentives, data analysis, city acquis

1:07:55acquisitions of land, regulation, and

1:07:58partnerships and volunteers. And so what

1:08:01we're meaning to do with this response

1:08:03is just is show that regulations is just

1:08:06one prong of getting to 40%. um we have

1:08:10all these other things that the city is

1:08:12doing or planning to do in order to help

1:08:14us achieve that 40% tree canopy.

1:08:17>> I thank you for for the for the

1:08:19thoughtful response here. I do

1:08:20appreciate it. Um the the loss of tree

1:08:23canopy um is is is a concern as in it's

1:08:28inevitable, but it is a big concern as

1:08:30is loss in areas that are already

1:08:32suffering the most um loss. And I wonder

1:08:34if perhaps we should consider a more

1:08:36pragmatic approach, which is really kind

1:08:38of um focused as much on as much focus

1:08:42on on plantings as opposed to

1:08:45prevention. They're both very important,

1:08:47but I'd love to see more weight against

1:08:49the um the proactive measures we can do.

1:08:52So, for example, you know, a less

1:08:55complicated TDC model um on top of, you

1:09:01know, this principle of a loss is a

1:09:03loss. So if you cut down a tree, whether

1:09:05it's significant, landmark, or other

1:09:06types of trees, they should be replaced.

1:09:09Um, and regardless of the why, they

1:09:11should be replaced. So that takes away

1:09:13the debate of can I take this tree down?

1:09:15Can I not take this tree down? If you

1:09:17take it down, if it falls down, if it

1:09:19flies away, it gets replaced. Um, in

1:09:22addition to that, perhaps there's an

1:09:25opportunity to think about um to

1:09:27consider um fees and lose and and

1:09:30replantings happen within the community

1:09:33with which they're lost because I see

1:09:35trees pop up in Meadow Park and

1:09:37Education Hill. I'm like, where do these

1:09:3810 trees come from? They're probably

1:09:40trees that are ripped down in some of

1:09:42these areas that are experiencing the

1:09:44most loss. And I think it just be really

1:09:45more equitable and and help mitigate

1:09:47some of the environmental concerns of

1:09:49tree loss if we put them in places where

1:09:51they're they're occurring at at the most

1:09:54um rapid um pace.

1:09:58Um the the um replacement alternatives,

1:10:01we did think about that. Um, we do have

1:10:04as a priority for off-site replacement

1:10:07trees that whoever is applying to do

1:10:10off-site replacements that they look

1:10:12within their their HOA to see if there

1:10:16is space for replacement trees within

1:10:19maybe a collective open space. Um, as

1:10:22part of the post-approval plan, uh, we

1:10:24do, um, are looking to have a

1:10:27standardized process to help folks who

1:10:30do pursue off-site replacements to get

1:10:32it back in their neighborhood.

1:10:34>> Right. And I I remember reading um

1:10:38reference in one of the documents about

1:10:41um, sidewalk plantings. Sidewalk

1:10:44plantings are great op. I see that

1:10:46happen in communities like Lindberrook,

1:10:48New York, where the where trees that are

1:10:50lost through a myriad of different

1:10:53reasons. They're they're offering a tree

1:10:55giveaway program where they can where

1:10:57they're planting them in sidewalks. And

1:10:59so if you have to take on take down a

1:11:00tree on a property and there's no space

1:11:03to plant a replacement tree, perhaps

1:11:06perhaps um tree plants could happen in

1:11:08sidewalk sidewalk um medians. So just

1:11:12it's it's just another way to kind of

1:11:13keep trees within the communities that

1:11:15are losing trees. So it's just a

1:11:17suggestion that I would love to see um

1:11:21more proactive ways of growing trees or

1:11:23or or replacing trees. Um

1:11:28that's my comment there. Are there any

1:11:30other commissioners with with comments

1:11:31related to this? Okay. If if not then um

1:11:35then I'm happy with um

1:11:38uh I'm happy with closing this.

1:11:57Yeah, I think I think item 10 was

1:11:59related to a previous one.

1:12:03But it's related to the comment from Dr.

1:12:06Morton about which which number are we

1:12:08on now?

1:12:10>> 10.

1:12:17I would combine that with

1:12:22Yeah. And nine.

1:12:24Can you go back to three?

1:12:47I'm fine with closing that.

1:12:51I'm fine with closing that

1:12:54>> number 10.

1:12:55>> Yeah, I'm fine with I'm satisfied with

1:12:56I'm fine with closing that

1:13:03and then we're on question number 11.

1:13:08Um my only comment on on number 11 is

1:13:11I'd like to see um trees that are taken

1:13:14down and I mentioned this in the

1:13:15previous comment. Trees that are taken

1:13:17down in a community, they're replanted

1:13:19within the community with which they're

1:13:20lost. Same thing with fees and lose.

1:13:24Okay, that brings us to questions. We

1:13:27can close that one and then 12. That's

1:13:31Commissioner Para.

1:13:33>> So I do not want to close this. Um I

1:13:36have uh for the listening public sent

1:13:40out uh detailed followup comments on

1:13:44each of the ones on the issue matrix

1:13:45along with some new questions. Um this

1:13:49is for us to have a discussion but my

1:13:51response to

1:13:53your response is basically that we can

1:13:57use the funds uh and but I I find that

1:14:03we really have not studied where these

1:14:06trees are likely to go. So in I'm

1:14:09concerned that this approach references

1:14:11hypothetical solutions. So oh yeah let's

1:14:14use the let's use the parks. How much

1:14:17capacity does each park have technically

1:14:20if if that information is available

1:14:23that that that is needed for us to know

1:14:26if somebody there would be a lot of

1:14:28people trying to do offside planting or

1:14:31fee in Leo that would be the quickest

1:14:33way for a lot of people. So without

1:14:37knowing where those hypothetical trees

1:14:39are going to go, we shouldn't be

1:14:41offering these solutions cuz we should

1:14:43say, "Okay, you don't want to plant

1:14:45here, we're going to plant there." And

1:14:46that X marks the spot. It has to be that

1:14:49precise. So I've added um I do not want

1:14:52to close this. Can you please give us

1:14:54more information on the capacity? I I

1:14:57know I just sent it yesterday, so not

1:14:59expecting a response back. Um so yeah,

1:15:02please keep this open. Thank you.

1:15:13on number 13 also I have sent in a

1:15:16comment um I would like to keep this

1:15:18open um because for me our reliance as a

1:15:22city is heavily on the watershed piece

1:15:25of it because that's what's not touched

1:15:27by development I would like to know how

1:15:31we're doing at the watershed uh like And

1:15:34I would also like to see overall city

1:15:37canopy numbers beyond 23 even if it's

1:15:40unofficial because we don't know how far

1:15:43from the 40% goal we are. We don't know

1:15:46how to plan for that. If we let's say in

1:15:49the last two three years and I know

1:15:51there's been a die off of a certain type

1:15:53of tree in the area uh because of heat

1:15:56then there's development pressures. So

1:16:00we do need like

1:16:02a current baseline. however unofficial

1:16:05to work off and say, "Hey, this is

1:16:07reasonable. If you're proposing a code

1:16:10to get us to 40%, this is a reasonable

1:16:12way to get there." Um, my guess is it's

1:16:15not 37 anymore. Um, so I'm hoping it's

1:16:21not 32.

1:16:22It could be anywhere in between. I like

1:16:25I could just guess, right? Uh so a

1:16:28little more data especially on the

1:16:30watershed area which is our way of

1:16:33protecting and it's our lung space um I

1:16:37think would be good. Um again not

1:16:40expecting a response just keeping this

1:16:42open

1:16:43>> and I will say I'm not sure if we will

1:16:45be able to get you that data just

1:16:47because it it one might not be

1:16:50available. Um but it does take time to

1:16:52get that

1:16:53>> right. I understand that but we cannot

1:16:56plan for anything without knowing where

1:16:59we stand. Like that's my contention

1:17:01here. We can't work off old data and say

1:17:06hey

1:17:08we will get to 40%. If there is a goal

1:17:10we need to meet it. We we need to try

1:17:13and if there is no data maybe the the

1:17:17response to this would be something like

1:17:20this is the year where we are going to

1:17:22get that data. Maybe it's 27 or whatever

1:17:25right like what is the earliest we're

1:17:27going to recalibrate.

1:17:28>> Thank you for the clarity

1:17:30>> because otherwise you know you we're

1:17:33just kind of throwing darts at the trees

1:17:35unfortunately. So yeah there

1:17:37>> appreciate the clarity.

1:17:39>> All right.

1:17:40Um I just wanted to add that um we are

1:17:45planning on updating our strategic tree

1:17:47canopy plan. Um and at that time we'll

1:17:50have more thorough analysis.

1:17:54>> Oh that that that's wonderful because I

1:17:56think that's what we need to know. What

1:17:58kind of timelines are we looking at and

1:18:00what data will be available to inform

1:18:03this because you're putting the cart

1:18:04before the horse in this situation.

1:18:06Ideally, if we had the numbers, we would

1:18:09then have the code

1:18:11to build forward, right? So, um anyway,

1:18:14if a response beyond what we have would

1:18:17be great

1:18:18>> and I do have a question on top of that,

1:18:20what what what timeline are we looking

1:18:22at for that update?

1:18:25>> So, we're looking to have the

1:18:27recommendation on November 18th and then

1:18:30in December get approval.

1:18:33No, for the updated uh uh

1:18:36>> Oh,

1:18:36>> yeah. The updated strategic

1:18:38>> We don't know yet.

1:18:39>> Okay. Do you think that's pragmatically

1:18:41in the next 12 months?

1:18:43>> Um we can check in on that.

1:18:45>> Okay.

1:18:47And include that in the response.

1:18:52>> Number 14 is mine as well. I'm kind of

1:18:54hogging the limelight here. Sorry folks.

1:18:56Um

1:18:58um I understand that the general fund is

1:19:03beyond the purview of this and in terms

1:19:06of enforcement, but I feel the tree code

1:19:10falls really flat without some stronger

1:19:13references to enforcement. Your response

1:19:17about code enforcement is great, but

1:19:23it it doesn't have to be details of

1:19:26enforcement, but it needs to have a

1:19:28backing of enforcement. Otherwise, it's

1:19:30an honor code that may or may not stick,

1:19:35right? Um, so please keep this open.

1:19:38Again, I've put these comments in. Um,

1:19:42number 15 can be closed.

1:19:48Um,

1:19:51number 16 is a big one.

1:19:55I believe and this is something that I

1:19:58would love to hear from the commission

1:19:59on, but I think we've got the

1:20:02non-development tree removal quite nice.

1:20:06It's clean. It's easy to understand.

1:20:09There is a the code is not simple for

1:20:13the development tree credit system.

1:20:15Personally,

1:20:17I would like to

1:20:20um given your response that we don't

1:20:24have a lot of information and how we are

1:20:27going to see it in the parcel viewer. I

1:20:30think it's overtly complicated,

1:20:33harder [snorts] to enforce and I would

1:20:35really recommend a roll back on that.

1:20:37And what I mean by roll back is not to

1:20:40not have this but have it in a different

1:20:44way. We should go back to a um the

1:20:47non-development table modify that as an

1:20:51option or something where you you talked

1:20:54about the programmatic um city projects

1:20:58how the city projects will deal with

1:21:00tree removal and calculations.

1:21:03the current thing is just way way too

1:21:06complex and um I don't

1:21:12I personally do not appreciate it a lot

1:21:15because I I think it will be a barrier

1:21:19for development.

1:21:21It will not solve us protecting the

1:21:24right trees because it's overtly

1:21:27complicated. It is overtly dependent on

1:21:29enforcement.

1:21:31So I would like to leave this open and

1:21:35also ask the commission what they think

1:21:38about this. So chair um this is the

1:21:41tricky one. This is a little bit more um

1:21:45weighty.

1:21:46>> Yeah, I I I'll add my my two cents here.

1:21:48I I do agree that the code is very

1:21:51complicated. But my bigger concern is

1:21:53that

1:21:54in a world where we don't know the

1:21:57trajectory of loss and we have a very

1:21:59complicated system that doesn't mitigate

1:22:02loss in areas that are suffering the

1:22:04most. I would then I would say that

1:22:07preservation and replantings become the

1:22:10more aggressive thing to focus on. So if

1:22:13we can balance the complex, we can if we

1:22:15can make things a little more

1:22:16complexity, a little less comp complex

1:22:19and be more assertive in plantings in

1:22:22communities and fees and lose with in

1:22:24communities where the loss is happening,

1:22:27then then hopefully the the replantings

1:22:29outpace the the loss. So you don't you I

1:22:33think that's the path we need to take in

1:22:35absence of knowing not knowing how bad

1:22:36the problem is. Commissioner Van Nyman,

1:22:39can I ask you a question? Aparta um

1:22:42when you say complex you say the the

1:22:45actual the code itself is hard to

1:22:49understand and complex or the actual

1:22:52like implementation of it

1:22:56>> actually both uh the mechanism there is

1:22:58a there's a formula and then there are

1:23:01exceptions within that and then it's and

1:23:05it's based on the parcel size it's based

1:23:06on the land use and you have to go

1:23:10through steps and one of my next few

1:23:12comments was hey you know if it is going

1:23:14to be this complex can we have a parcel

1:23:16viewer which says this parcel

1:23:20if you're developing on this parcel with

1:23:22this kind of development model these are

1:23:26this is what your coverage should look

1:23:27like um a great idea but it's not going

1:23:31to happen anytime soon is a you know so

1:23:35um so for me what I'm looking at is We

1:23:39have trouble enforcing. I know for a

1:23:42fact that a lot of people have cut trees

1:23:44without getting the the strongest

1:23:47enforcement is probably in development

1:23:48projects because the permits are coming

1:23:50in there. But everywhere else there has

1:23:54been no enforcement in terms of the tree

1:23:56code. we are suddenly going from 0 to

1:24:00106 seconds with significant

1:24:05um enforcement

1:24:08requirements.

1:24:10I don't see that and I feel that this

1:24:14because it's so complex

1:24:16you're and there are so many exceptions

1:24:19and everything else the midsection of

1:24:21the uh for the development is pretty

1:24:24complex and

1:24:27I have a background in reading code and

1:24:30understanding code but it took me a

1:24:32couple of reads so in for me and like

1:24:38for me what I am seeing is we don't want

1:24:41to complicate something so important.

1:24:45To chair's point, we need to get there

1:24:48the best we can and it has to be a

1:24:50fairly straight line. It's important

1:24:53like if we dig up the comments from the

1:24:56Redmond 2050, the comp plan uh outreach

1:25:00comments, trees were a big part of it.

1:25:04So why would we try to

1:25:09we need to shore up what we have in a

1:25:11better way. Solid enforcement,

1:25:15solid re uh replacement formula.

1:25:20But I am not for this complexity. And so

1:25:23I would like to um kind of ask staff if

1:25:28you could consider an alternative

1:25:31for

1:25:33and see have you considered an

1:25:35alternative as a first step, right? Um

1:25:37did we straight away go into this very

1:25:39complex formula and section or did we

1:25:45can we consider a a variation of the

1:25:48theme? I think in our response we can

1:25:50walk you through our thought process of

1:25:52why we landed here and will that

1:25:54suffice?

1:25:55>> Okay. I So here's the thing. It is still

1:25:58very complex. So you have to be able I

1:26:02don't know about the rest of the

1:26:02commission but for me I need to feel

1:26:06that in all possible solutions that were

1:26:09considered this was the only option that

1:26:11made sense.

1:26:13If that is so, okay, then you know if

1:26:17cuz we have tried and I think Redmond uh

1:26:212050 did a really great job in trying to

1:26:26not oversimplify but get to the right

1:26:28level of clarity. That clarity is

1:26:31missing from this midsection. Like I

1:26:34think the the top part and the bottom

1:26:37part is great.

1:26:39It's it's the midsection which I think

1:26:41needs a little bit like it's not a

1:26:44system that I'm happy about, but it's a

1:26:46vote thing at that end of the day for

1:26:49others.

1:26:50>> Yeah. Commissioner Dier,

1:26:52>> I think this is a a question for

1:26:54Commissioner Aperna to help me

1:26:56understand kind of your push here.

1:26:59I think what I'm hearing is you

1:27:01recognize that developers know how to

1:27:03use the code and likely have an

1:27:06incentive to follow because of the

1:27:07permitting process and some checks and

1:27:09balances. It seems like you feel less

1:27:12confident in

1:27:16how individual homeowners are able to

1:27:18navigate the code and it seems like you

1:27:21have some personal experience with

1:27:23seeing tree loss around you. Am I am I

1:27:26understanding you,

1:27:27>> Commissioner Para? So, so the way I look

1:27:29at it is like this. The bigger projects

1:27:32will have every every resource available

1:27:35to them to understand and parse this

1:27:37code as written. Okay? But if you want

1:27:41your middle housing or anything else,

1:27:43right, where you've got we're we're in

1:27:46the hope that we won't have more smaller

1:27:49parcels

1:27:51developing. The big guys I'm not worried

1:27:53about because they've got attorneys,

1:27:56they've got people staff who will read

1:27:58the code for them. But everybody else

1:28:01the moment you're developing anything

1:28:03smaller

1:28:06I believe it is it is a nightmare to

1:28:08navigate. So what h happens is two

1:28:11things. one when you're over

1:28:13complicating it on the implementation

1:28:15side who's issuing the permit plus the

1:28:18enforcement side

1:28:20they're going to have to be on the same

1:28:22page and it's so layered and so complex

1:28:25interpretations are likely to be

1:28:27different

1:28:28whereas if you have like a to b straight

1:28:31line hopefully we don't get lost along

1:28:33the way so I find that maybe maybe just

1:28:39another way of looking at it could be

1:28:40that We look at anything above a certain

1:28:44size of development would go through the

1:28:46tree credit system and you have

1:28:49development activities of a smaller

1:28:51parcel size. I have a I live in a house,

1:28:55you know, I'm I don't know like 7 8,000

1:28:59square feet of plot area and I have a

1:29:01few trees and I maybe I want to put in

1:29:03an ADU there, right?

1:29:06I would go into that three credit

1:29:08multiplier and get lost and I'd be like,

1:29:10"Okay, you know what? Forget it."

1:29:13Right? So maybe there is a threshold for

1:29:17where you're using a more complex system

1:29:21of maybe the lot size or the square

1:29:24footage that is being built. To your

1:29:26point, there will be people who can do

1:29:28it. And for the rest of them who are not

1:29:32using if it's not development activity,

1:29:35you're using a straightforward table

1:29:37starting now. But it's all hinges on

1:29:40enforcement.

1:29:42>> I'm going to add I'm going to jump in

1:29:43first. Um so Came Cameron, [laughter]

1:29:46you are you tracking all of this?

1:29:49>> Yeah.

1:29:50>> Yep.

1:29:50>> Yeah. because I would add on top of

1:29:52this, you know, you mentioned earlier

1:29:54the [clears throat] the plans for doing

1:29:57more education in the community. So I

1:29:59would assume that education would

1:30:00include homeowners who are looking to

1:30:02develop properties such as ADUs or other

1:30:04types of things. So I think [snorts]

1:30:08simplifying the formula to the extent

1:30:10with which individuals can understand

1:30:11it, whether they're developers or mom

1:30:14and pop trying to understand that would

1:30:16be really super helpful. Um I'm going to

1:30:18still I'm going to reiterate a comment

1:30:20that I made earlier in that I'd like to

1:30:22see um more a stronger emphasis on the

1:30:25replacement formula. You know, as you

1:30:28think about the formula, the replacement

1:30:29element is a really important piece

1:30:31especially given the reality that we

1:30:34don't have the kind of we don't have the

1:30:35the re we don't have the mechanisms or

1:30:37the system rather in place to really put

1:30:40teeth into the enforcement.

1:30:47um we we don't have a prop a process for

1:30:50inventorying, you know, in in tree

1:30:53inventory. We don't have people going

1:30:55around checking, you know, there's a lot

1:30:57of different um gaps in the enforcement

1:31:00piece. And so if we don't have a

1:31:02pragmatic way to to really to to really

1:31:05be enforce to to reinforce, we may as

1:31:07well just simplify the formula so that

1:31:10you're not saying things that we can't

1:31:12you not take into into consideration

1:31:14things that we can't manage. Um and so

1:31:18and and not knowing the the the

1:31:20magnitude of the problem, the

1:31:21replacement becomes really really really

1:31:23important.

1:31:24Yes, Commissioner Bish,

1:31:27>> I agree with you and Commissioner Aparna

1:31:29and I think that the code needs to be

1:31:31developed in a way that more clearly

1:31:32lets homeowners understand which

1:31:34requirements apply to them versus those

1:31:36larger um development projects who

1:31:39already know what to do because they

1:31:40have at like attorneys. And I think the

1:31:42more understandable that the code is for

1:31:44homeowners, the less likely people are

1:31:46like um to go down and cut trees

1:31:49unauthorized.

1:31:52Commissioner Kanye, you had a a question

1:31:54earlier. No.

1:31:57>> Okay. All right. Is there anyone else

1:31:59who has has questions on this topic?

1:32:02>> So, we keep this open basically.

1:32:04>> Yeah, I think we do keep this open.

1:32:07>> Moving on. Uh 17 is mine. Um

1:32:13>> then um so for item number 16 um you

1:32:18spoke about that there's gaps in uh code

1:32:21enforcement. Are you able to expand on

1:32:24that

1:32:28>> like how how staff can um improve the

1:32:33the code enforcement section?

1:32:35>> Yeah. Um so I think personally it hinges

1:32:40on the same question that we've been

1:32:42asking you have a third party verifier

1:32:44city arborist uh that is one part but

1:32:48there somebody has to go and check you

1:32:50know has a replacement so x permits have

1:32:53been issued you have 12 months to

1:32:56replace the trees on on a monthly basis

1:32:59you go and see

1:33:0212 months ago somebody's cut down a tree

1:33:05hasn't been replaced

1:33:06It doesn't require an arborist. It just

1:33:09requires somebody to identify, hey, this

1:33:12is the tree that is acceptable for

1:33:15replacement and it's on the site or

1:33:17wherever it's supposed to be. Right? So,

1:33:21I don't think you need terribly trained

1:33:23people. Somebody from parks and um could

1:33:27do it maybe. I don't know. But that's

1:33:29the kind of enforcement I'm talking

1:33:31about. Somebody coming and checking you

1:33:33cut down a tree. Have you planted a

1:33:35tree?

1:33:36So one part of the enforcement is a

1:33:38permit, right? So maybe I cut down a

1:33:41tree without that without a permit. How

1:33:44are you going to identify somebody's cut

1:33:46down a tree? Uh so that's the part which

1:33:48is scary because I know several people

1:33:51in in the grass neighborhood who just

1:33:53cut down some really lovely trees for no

1:33:58like it was it it wasn't a danger or

1:34:01anything and they didn't get a permit

1:34:04and they certainly have not replaced

1:34:06them and this happened in the last two

1:34:08years. So for me, what I'm looking at is

1:34:14are people getting permits and are those

1:34:16permits being followed through in terms

1:34:17of replacements? That would be

1:34:20enforcement. Does that answer the

1:34:21question?

1:34:23>> Thank you.

1:34:25>> Thank you.

1:34:26>> Next item.

1:34:27>> Okay, we were on

1:34:28>> I think we're on 17.

1:34:30>> Uh 17 can be closed. 18 can be closed

1:34:34though with a caveat that if we could

1:34:36get something which is a visualizer that

1:34:38would be no that is uh yeah that is the

1:34:42one um 19 again it comes down to

1:34:46enforcement so we can close this I know

1:34:48I said we keep it open but because we

1:34:50are already talking enforcement in

1:34:52another one I can we'll close one and

1:34:55keep the other open yes um I I'll make a

1:34:59note and I'll resend this um Yes.

1:35:03>> So that's the end of the issue matrix.

1:35:06Um

1:35:06>> yeah and I was going to just ask um

1:35:08thank you Apara um for the commissioners

1:35:10here. Are there any additional questions

1:35:12you have for the m for the matrix? Let's

1:35:14hold on for one moment. One moment a

1:35:16partner.

1:35:18[laughter]

1:35:19Are there any other questions that u

1:35:21folks need to have clarified and added

1:35:23to the matrix?

1:35:26>> Okay. Commissioner Para.

1:35:28>> Okay. I have 10 questions that I've

1:35:31emailed out. Not going to belabor all of

1:35:34them. I think the commission has seen

1:35:36some of them and please add all of them

1:35:38to the issue matrix, but I do want to

1:35:41call out a couple of them. Okay. Um what

1:35:45I would like to see is again um I've

1:35:50talked about the minimum tree credit

1:35:52again in this that's a separate one

1:35:54because I thought we might decide to

1:35:56close the earlier one. So you could

1:35:58choose to ignore that one. But the the

1:36:00tree credit problem is a significant

1:36:04one. The other one that I do want to

1:36:06call out which is completely missing is

1:36:09the fact that we if we are talking about

1:36:12replacement trees, we don't have a way

1:36:16um or any way to provide relief to

1:36:19low-income homeowners

1:36:21or anybody who's um who runs um uh

1:36:26low-income affordable housing because

1:36:29the landlords then would pass on those

1:36:31costs to the tenants. I uh if there are

1:36:35costs borne for replacing a tree,

1:36:37cutting down a tree um or for whatever

1:36:40reason, we need to cover that.

1:36:42Especially um hardship for low income

1:36:46owners, a hazardous tree has to be

1:36:48replaced for instance, then what

1:36:49happens, right? So maybe we should

1:36:53consider that. I don't know if that's

1:36:54been discussed. And um the other

1:36:58important one that I wanted to call out

1:37:00was the heritage trees. Now I believe we

1:37:05should really really really protect the

1:37:08heritage trees and there are some

1:37:09exceptions in the code currently and um

1:37:13heritage trees that are hazardous

1:37:16obviously you remove them but we want to

1:37:19make sure that if it is hazardous it is

1:37:22replaced correctly.

1:37:24And

1:37:26some of the code says that if there are

1:37:28hazardous or dying trees, the don't need

1:37:31to be replaced. I I particularly have a

1:37:34problem with that because given climate

1:37:38change and given that some of our trees

1:37:40are really old or they are going to die,

1:37:42it's life. If we don't replenish them,

1:37:48that's going to be a problem. The dying

1:37:50trees cannot be given a um

1:37:53they should be allowed to be cut down

1:37:55easily without too many issues. But the

1:37:59replacement should be considered

1:38:02I think um

1:38:05because we did see a die off um right in

1:38:09front of the Redmond Library uh right in

1:38:12the corner there. Um

1:38:14was it last summer or the summer before

1:38:16last? There were two or three trees that

1:38:18just went brown and died and they had to

1:38:21be removed right here.

1:38:22>> So, I'm gonna I'm gonna jump in here. I

1:38:24think unless you have questions to for

1:38:27of clarification from Aperna, I that's a

1:38:30really important point point that I'd

1:38:32like to see on on the um on the issues

1:38:34matrix and it's really around this the

1:38:36topic of just really more assertive um

1:38:40proactive replacement. This is going to

1:38:43what I was saying earlier this evening.

1:38:45You know, a a tree is a tree. You kill a

1:38:47tree, you replace a tree. It doesn't

1:38:49matter how the tree died, whether it's

1:38:50disease, whether it's whether it's, you

1:38:53know, if it it fell.

1:38:55You know, it's a huge part of our

1:38:58canopy. And so, if it's lost for

1:39:00whatever the reason, it may be lost. It

1:39:02should be replaced. And it should be

1:39:03replaced with the with the equivalent

1:39:05volume of trees. I think if we can be

1:39:07more assertive in the replacement piece,

1:39:10that's going to help with the the loss,

1:39:14which we don't even know the trajectory

1:39:15of. Now, I I know that that creates that

1:39:18potentially creates um challenges for

1:39:21developers and for homeowners, and

1:39:23that's where perhaps, you know, a more a

1:39:27more assertive um sidewalk median

1:39:29planting could can offset offset that.

1:39:32you know, you have snippets of land

1:39:34throughout throughout these communities

1:39:36which which could could handle a tree,

1:39:39you know, um and worse comes to worse if

1:39:41you can't replace it within the

1:39:43community of loss, then the surrounding

1:39:44communities start moving outwards. But

1:39:46this idea of planting trees in Ferrell

1:39:48Mcwarter or in Education Hill which is

1:39:51not experienced a loss I think is where

1:39:53we're exacerbating you know some of the

1:39:56some of the some of the um the heat

1:39:59island effect that we're seeing where

1:40:00the trees are are coming down at the

1:40:02greatest rate. So that's something that

1:40:04I really feel um import is an important

1:40:06piece to to really to really um call out

1:40:09in the interest matrix.

1:40:14Have we missed anything? Any questions?

1:40:20No. Okay, then I think we will need to

1:40:22continue this conversation

1:40:25in our next uh mission planning

1:40:27commission meeting which I think is

1:40:29November 4th.

1:40:30>> Correct.

1:40:30>> Okay.

1:40:32>> Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

1:40:34>> We're now at staff and commissioner

1:40:36updates.

1:40:40>> Okay. Thank you. I'll try to make this

1:40:42brief. Um, so as you noticed, I am

1:40:45taking over, Lauren Alfred is taking

1:40:46over as liaison for the fourth quarter.

1:40:49So, um, I'll be your point of contact.

1:40:52Um, and just some other notes, the

1:40:54design standard survey is still open and

1:40:57live and, uh, accepting feedback. Um, as

1:41:00is the home business questionnaire. It's

1:41:02been extended. It'll remain open for at

1:41:03least another month. Um, and I just

1:41:05wanted to point out that we have been

1:41:07doing a number of community pop-up vents

1:41:09events for the neighborhood planning um,

1:41:11docket item um, especially in community

1:41:13parks and community sites um, including

1:41:16meeting with neighborhood watch uh, this

1:41:18time last week. Um, there was also a

1:41:21number of listening sessions for the

1:41:24teen center project in September um, and

1:41:27for that ongoing work. Um we also on a

1:41:31note on um getting some more

1:41:32commissioners, some more uh colleagues

1:41:34for you. Um we have uh there is a um an

1:41:39interview scheduled with council on

1:41:40October 27th uh 27th for uh Commissioner

1:41:44Gaia's seat. Um and there is a new call

1:41:47for applicants to fill the two other

1:41:49remaining vacant uh planning commission

1:41:51seats that we have. Um and those

1:41:53applications are due November 6th. um

1:41:55the applications that we did receive

1:41:57already for the previous open seat um

1:42:00remain active as long as they contact us

1:42:02and let us know that they would like to

1:42:04remain in the applicant pool. [snorts]

1:42:06Um and then also the mayor has published

1:42:08their proposed budget and includes

1:42:10several projects that will come to the

1:42:11planning commission over the next few

1:42:13years including the urban mixeduse um

1:42:16master planning project, the universal

1:42:18design study and community engagement

1:42:21staffing and funding. So, lots of

1:42:24exciting things happening. Um to note

1:42:27for our next October 28th meeting, we

1:42:29will have um the report approval and

1:42:32recommendation for the neighborhood map

1:42:35repeal um and for the updated TFP

1:42:39project um TFP project update. And we'll

1:42:42also begin um the introduction and study

1:42:45session for commercial drone use.

1:42:48So, an exciting meeting ahead.

1:42:51Thank you very much.

1:42:54Anything else? Yes, Commissioner Van.

1:42:56>> Um, you're here. One more meeting.

1:42:59>> Yes.

1:43:00>> Okay.

1:43:04>> All right. Let's move on. Um, I look for

1:43:06a motion to adjurnn.

1:43:09>> So moved. Second.

1:43:12>> All in favor? I

1:43:16>> Sorry. I I didn't mean to throw it.

1:43:19Sorry.