2026-10-13 - City Council

00:07In session.

00:09Please stand for a moment

00:12standing for the Pledge

00:17Pledge allegiance to the flag

00:21and to the Republic

00:24One nation under God,

00:27justice for all.

00:36Vice mayor.

00:47Mr. clerk, please call the roll.

00:49Mr. Clanton.

00:50Present. Mrs..

00:51Doyle here.

00:52Mrs.. Johnson here.

00:53Mr. McGee.

00:53Here. Mr. page here.

00:55Mr. Smigiel here.

00:56Mr.. Thomas here.

00:57Doctor.

00:58Alexander here.

00:59The motion is to dispense with

01:01our previous meeting.

01:03Mr. Clanton, I.

01:04Mrs. Doyle, I.

01:05Mrs. Johnson I.

01:06Mr. McGee I.

01:07Mr. page I.

01:08Mr.. Siegel.

01:09Mr.. Thomas I.

01:11Doctor.

01:11Alexander I.

01:12Mr.. Clerk, please read the

01:16closed meeting.

01:17Resolution certifying a closed

01:19City of Norfolk.

01:20In accordance with the

01:21Freedom of Information Act.

01:23Adopt the resolution,

01:25Mrs. Doyle, Mrs. Johnson.

01:27I.

01:28Mr.. McGee.

01:29Mr.. Page.

01:30Mr.. Smigiel.

01:30Aye. Mr..

01:31Thomas. Doctor.

01:32Alexander.

01:33Hi. Good evening and welcome

01:36chamber and meeting.

01:38Tonight we will begin with a

01:40brief update from

01:44Public comments on consent and

01:48by public hearings, and then

01:53be voted on in a block

01:57will take up regular agenda

02:01business to address the Council.

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04:10Thank you, Mr. Bull.

04:11Mr. Roberts.

04:12Thank you.

04:13Mayor, vice mayor, Council

04:15do have a full agenda, and a

04:17up to speak on some of

04:19But I did want to take a minute

04:22think has been brought up

04:24these meetings by

04:27citizens related specifically

04:31license plate reader technology.

04:33The cameras that

04:35One of the things I've heard

04:38directly within the control of

04:42question of who accesses the

04:44technology and how do

04:48The Chief of Police and I,

04:51Attorney's office and other

04:54hard look in the last several

04:57We have put a set of rigid,

05:00ensure that anyone who accesses

05:06to do so, for a very specific

05:09enforcement investigation, a

05:11missing person,

05:14In doing so, we do require hard

05:19that reason and who is the

05:21What that has produced is

05:25trail, which is auditable.

05:27So what we are doing now

05:30of Professional Standards,

05:33routinely and actively auditing

05:38and to detect any

05:40I want to say confidently

05:43scenario where someone would

05:47data, it will be detected.

05:49And in any scenario where it

05:53misusing the data, that

05:56face harsh, harsh consequences

06:00of employment and

06:03So that's been a subject of

06:06I know that it's come

06:08I'll the police chief and I

06:11more detailed report on

06:14And we do stand by at any time

06:17It's probably equally important

06:21continue to refine and take

06:25it's of note that we are

06:28technology to identify vehicles

06:32of crimes in Norfolk, many

06:36Violent Crimes in Norfolk.

06:38I have asked Ramin Fattahi is

06:40here, the

06:41He's worked very

06:43If you'd be willing to say just

06:45employing this technology.

06:47Welcome.

06:52Good evening, Mr. Mayor.

06:53Mr. Vice Mayor,

06:55Mr. City manager, I'm glad to

06:57speak for a few

07:00The.

07:02As we are all aware, we are all

07:05independently elected official,

07:09against the grain, sometimes

07:10against the grain

07:13I am here to express my

07:18Norfolk, as a prosecutor,

07:22interested in the civil

07:26understanding the value of alpr

07:32recognizing that they are a net

07:36continuing to support the good

07:39officers who are able to use

07:43consistently with the civil

07:47dangerous violent crimes and

07:50justice system among people who

07:52have traditionally

07:54This is important, and it is

07:58do and that I do as a

08:00Commonwealth's attorney.

08:02As

08:04I go to every murder scene

08:07night, I have had to speak

08:12people who found out that their

08:14I have had to see the work

08:18officers do, and I can tell

08:23years that I've been a

08:27that that I have seen in my

08:30technology, has been has made

08:35solving of violent crimes

08:38license plate readers.

08:40They have taken cases from the

08:44Bilal Muhammad to countless

08:50them from no relief, no

08:54conviction and prison.

08:56There are some

08:58flock cameras work.

08:59They are far less invasive than

09:02that we experience every day,

09:05our pockets.

09:06The. When we drive on the

09:09social contract, that we don't

09:12hand side of the road.

09:14We don't go 100 miles an

09:16We get a driver's license and

09:21our cars.

09:22That's just part of

09:25Flock photographs those license

09:29there is a need to search them.

09:31The General Assembly of

09:34safeguards for the use of

09:37prohibition on the sharing with

09:41requirement that there are logs

09:45searches be only for criminal

09:48of criminal prosecution.

09:50And if you're a police officer,

09:53license to be a cop.

09:55The. This technology is

10:03tool for the solving of crimes.

10:04By allowing the police to find

10:09that has either been the

10:11used in a crime, but it is

10:15And that's why, particularly

10:18fierce defender of this system

10:20in the face of a

10:24Flock is a precision instrument.

10:28It is a precision instrument.

10:30And the greatest thing about

10:33crimes, is that it is rendered

10:35overpolicing obsolete.

10:38The solution, when we used

10:42single neighborhood, was to

10:45pull over everybody who moves,

10:48cars, find a way to talk to

10:51search their cars.

10:52Alienating law abiding

10:56black men, to be very precise

11:00messing with them for a yield

11:04weapons recovered for traffic

11:08of dangers that Philando

11:09Castile's family

11:12The flock technology that you

11:16three years has rendered that

11:18sort of policing

11:21It's rendered it obsolete.

11:23In addition, what it means is

11:27the work of 7 or 750 officers

11:31instead of having to fan out

11:35fruitless and counterproductive

11:36and socially damaging

11:39They can focus specifically

11:42product of crimes or been

11:45answer the approximately 20,000

11:50got last month.

11:52It is a civil rights tool.

11:54I understand that

11:55I understand that that a lot of

11:57people are really

11:59My I understand

12:02But I'm tell hard truths to

12:05hear them.

12:06And their concerns should be

12:11the people who are monetizing

12:14the people who are making money

12:17cards, and not with a tool that

12:21people who have committed

12:25on innocent people who happen

12:26to live where the

12:29So I want to express

12:31The this is important work.

12:33You have made my work easier

12:36of both justice and civil

12:38recognizing the value

12:41Happy to answer any questions?

12:42If there are questions, but I

12:45as a father, and as

12:47Thank you, Mr. Fattahi.

12:56So let me just

13:01that Mr. Bull read.

13:04We will be respectful.

13:06Um, you will have an

13:08up to speak.

13:10You would have an opportunity

13:14appropriate time.

13:15Okay.

13:17Mr. Clark, pH.

13:19One hearing, one scheduled to

13:22your comments on an ordinance

13:25City Manager to execute a Sixth

13:29City of Norfolk as lessor and

13:31Corporation as lessee for a

13:35at 280 Park Avenue.

13:36An ordinance approving and

13:39execute a sixth amendment

13:42Norfolk as lessor and the

13:44Corporation as lessee for a

13:47at 280 Park Avenue, dispensed

13:50for reading ordinance twice and

13:53Mr. Clanton.

13:54All right.

13:55Mrs. Doyle.

13:55Hi, Mrs. Johnson.

13:57Hi. Mr. McGee.

13:58Hi. Mr..

13:59Page, Mr. Smigel,

14:01Alexander, a page

14:04Two scheduled to stay

14:06To hear comments on an

14:08authorizing the city manager

14:11City of Norfolk as landlord and

14:16premises located at 226 East

14:20Norfolk, Virginia.

14:22I have an ordinance approving

14:24Manager to execute a lease

14:26Norfolk as landlord and T Smith

14:32located at 226 East Main Street

14:34in the city of

14:36Dispense with the charter

14:37ordinance twice and adopt

14:40Mr. Clanton I Mrs. Doyle I Mrs.

14:46I Mr..

14:46Smigiel. Aye.

14:47Mr.. Thomas doctor Alexander.

14:49I page three.

14:50Public hearing three scheduled

14:53to hear comments on an

14:55authorizing the City Manager to

14:59Scope lease agreement with

15:03Norfolk Admirals for premises

15:06Avenue in the city of Norfolk,

15:10scope, an ordinance

15:12Authorizing the City Manager to

15:16Lease Scope License Agreement

15:21business as Norfolk Admirals

15:25East Brambleton Avenue in the

15:28commonly known as scope,

15:30requirement for reading the

15:32the effective date.

15:33Mr. Clanton.

15:35I.

15:35Mrs. Doyle, I.

15:36Mrs. Johnson I.

15:38Mr. McGee I.

15:39Mr.. Page I.

15:40Mr.. Smigel, Mr..

15:41Thomas, a doctor.

15:42Alexander I.

15:43Mr.. Clark, page four.

15:44Public hearing for.

15:46Scheduled this day pursuant to

15:48City Planning Commission

15:50Table 3.1.2

15:52and section 3.9 of the Norfolk

15:56create the short term rental

16:01district and by a five one

16:04recommended approval.

16:06Thank you.

16:07We have a few speakers.

16:08The first is Bob Layton.

16:14And Bob will be

16:17Bob.

16:30Good evening, Mr. Mayor.

16:32Members of city council.

16:34I'm Bob Layton.

16:361501 Bayville Street, Norfolk.

16:3923503.

16:41That has been my home

16:47I'm here to ask that you

16:51that will not ban the

16:56but it will ensure that its

17:01and more fitting for a

17:02neighborhood that is

17:08It's been almost 40

17:14my count 600 friends showed

17:22in the hallways, in the

17:29to ask you to support the

17:35to protect its character

17:39Nature

17:41and the body that was serving

17:46I hope your vote tonight

17:51It doesn't represent a vote for

17:54asked for, but it was a good

17:59hope that you will continue

18:04the

18:05destiny of Ocean View as a

18:11established by that Uli study

18:18studies since that time.

18:21I thank you for your service.

18:24I particularly thank

18:27your family members and close

18:31that make the most sacrifice

18:34to allow you to

18:37But thank you again.

18:39Thank you Bob.

18:40Jeff Watts is followed by.

18:43Jeff will be followed

18:50Hi, Jeff.

18:52Good evening.

18:53I thank you for the chance to

18:54be able to talk in front of you.

18:56As I look at it personally, I

18:59that a government puts together

19:04and rules, sometimes

19:06Ideally, the rules reflect the

19:10the rules.

19:12Mr. Tahan has spent probably

19:16facts as far as what he's

19:18short term rentals on the

19:21We're 3% of the residences.

19:23We've brought in millions

19:25We generate millions

19:28We at the same time are only

19:33as far as quality of living.

19:35Trash cans left out

19:38But yet we're having a

19:40be more regulation of short

19:42that these are somehow a

19:44threat to the community, not

19:47Willoughby spit is an

19:50It is an area that's being

19:52recognized for its tourism.

19:53The opportunity for the short

19:56city to follow this, to make

19:59investment, new people and

20:02If there was anything that I'd

20:04be reflecting our impact

20:06It would be that there would be

20:09rentals because of

20:11We talked about things

20:13I hope that you would

20:15I hope that you would look more

20:16right now, when you look at the

20:19they're a threat.

20:20But when you look at

20:22What if the things that are

20:25renters were expected

20:26Suppose I left my trash

20:29I'd be evicted.

20:31Suppose I had to wait every 36

20:34vote whether I could

20:37This is fair.

20:38So these are the things we look

20:41needs to be something in there

20:43operator can continue to

20:46invest, can continue to make

20:50feeling that we're not welcome,

20:53targeted for special

20:55in a situation where on 20

20:58calls us saying, listen,

21:00It hasn't happened.

21:01So this is the point that we're

21:04facts that were put together,

21:08the problem and the facts

21:10there's things with other

21:13businesses inside Willoughby

21:16would be where that focus,

21:17where that investment was going.

21:18Instead of saying an easily

21:21we're easy to know.

21:22We're registered, we're

21:24Short term renters.

21:25Hey, if I got a problem with

21:27guy I can hit.

21:28That's not really fair.

21:30So we're hoping for an

21:33contribute to the community.

21:34There's a reason we've

21:36We love it.

21:36It's beautiful.

21:38There's a true hope that we'll

21:39I got a whole bunch of

21:42Toller Lane with me.

21:43By the way, Jeff, what's

21:44I should have said

21:46And we're hoping that you, as

21:50understanding of the facts and

21:53rules that we can support

21:55Thank you.

21:56Thank you.

21:56James Matson.

22:01James Matson will be

22:11Hi, my name is James Matson.

22:12My wife and I live at 603 West

22:14Ocean View Avenue,

22:18First off, thank you

22:20The proposal you're voting

22:22feedback and negotiations

22:26The Civic League negotiated

22:28residents of Willoughby some

22:31number of stars, as well as

22:34unnecessary paperwork and

22:36potentially growing competition.

22:39The Planning Commission agreed

22:44overwhelmingly. Now let's clear

22:48our Planning Commission meeting.

22:50We don't want to take compliant

22:54We don't want people to

22:56We don't want to stop anyone

22:59We aren't conducting

23:01We aren't taking the crown of

23:02Armpit of America

23:05The residents of Willoughby

23:07grow, not with a revolving

23:11vacationers, but with renters

23:14our beaches and leave, but

23:17down roots.

23:19We already have among the

23:21rentals in Hampton Roads.

23:23We already do our share to

23:27foot this for everyone.

23:28I understand why strive loves

23:31to our real estate pool.

23:33It's one of the last

23:34inexpensive waterfront

23:36Why not bleed us dry?

23:37Forget the people who

23:40Let's just continue outsourcing

23:43rooms in the middle of

23:45rightfully cleaning up the

23:48The Civic League has

23:51We post our agendas.

23:52We put up signs in the medians.

23:54You can't cry foul just because

23:58We can't go knock on doors all

24:00sure people come to the

24:01meetings about

24:03If you live in Willoughby, you

24:06contact for any

24:09Willoughby spit is not a

24:12We live here, we pay taxes

24:15businesses and not just

24:18We clean the beaches

24:21We support the schools.

24:22Willoughby spit is our home.

24:24Not another page in a

24:28I know that as voters able to

24:32expect that our local

24:34their constituents.

24:35Please stop letting businesses

24:38term housing stability.

24:40It's an election year.

24:41Please do right by those

24:44Thank you, thank you.

24:47Robert.

24:53Robert. Duncan.

24:56Robert. Duncan.

25:02Scott.

25:04Okay. He's outside.

25:05All right.

25:07He won't let people in

25:14We'll call him again.

25:15Skylar Barnhart.

25:25Welcome.

25:29Good afternoon.

25:29My name is Skylar Barnhart.

25:31I live at 1120 West Ocean View

25:33and I am against

25:37Um, I got to Norfolk because I

25:41and I would drive all the

25:43I just loved living here.

25:45Um, I was living

25:47I enjoyed the beach.

25:48I enjoyed the people.

25:49I enjoyed the nature

25:51And I was always an investor.

25:53I was always interested in

25:57community, to take something

26:00thinks this is junk and make it

26:03and something that could be a

26:05people drive by and think,

26:09So I got my first

26:11I put $100,000 into my property.

26:14I spent a ton of time.

26:15I did all the bathrooms at once.

26:16So there was a week where I was

26:19taking a run on the sand and,

26:23but, um, I put everything into

26:28in a place where regulations

26:32come and they don't

26:35Uh, in 2024,

26:37there was 350

26:41And will it be spent

26:45So we keep touting that we are

26:48rentals, that there's more than

26:51being squeezed, but

26:53And that's sourced from Airdna,

26:57data when it comes to Airbnb.

26:59Um, it is where banks look at

27:04the data is just is not used,

27:06Has not been used

27:09It's been a vice

27:11I have a lady that I worked

27:15house that had been a short

27:18Um, she had to go

27:22renewing an encroachment

27:25It took her one year.

27:27It took her tens of thousands

27:30Um, and by the time that she

27:33up on the project.

27:34We live in a poor community.

27:36We live in a community where

27:39the world.

27:40We have NATO here.

27:41We have huge construction

27:44housing on Willoughby Spit.

27:47We have the motel six.

27:48Um, we have the Casa Motel.

27:51And with all due respect

27:53accommodations, they're

27:56They're not fit for families

27:58looking for a quiet

28:01Um, and that is the bulk of our

28:05hard working people that

28:08And the data shows that before

28:12on the property rights that

28:15time, they didn't buy their

28:18buy their house.

28:19Um, with those restrictions.

28:22Before we do that,

28:24Let's make a decision that's

28:28and not just some upset

28:30people here.

28:31Thank you.

28:31Thank you.

28:32Thank you so much.

28:34David Moody.

28:36David Moody

28:39and David will be

28:42If Robert Duncan is here.

28:45Thank you for this opportunity

28:47My name is David Moody.

28:48I live at 1154 West Ocean View,

28:52our home in 2019 in Willoughby

28:57didn't realize back then that

29:00communities and neighborhoods.

29:02They destroy them.

29:03For the young couple, that's

29:06have two beautiful little

29:09For the school kids that play

29:12through the fence like they did

29:15for the for the retiree

29:17That helps me every day and I.

29:19And I help them whenever we can

29:23all the, all the neighbors

29:26barbecue in my backyard this

29:29almost every night on

29:32Not knowing this, my wife and

29:35begun to prepare it, um, for

29:40not knowing that this was

29:43changed our mind, but we got

29:47somebody who wanted

29:49It was a man from New York.

29:50He wanted to rent it because

29:54coming with him, and they

29:57And he was willing to pay

30:00And if our neighborhoods to the

30:04pockets, this was a no brainer.

30:06We would just do it.

30:07But I decided to

30:09And he wasn't somebody that

30:12In fact, he had no

30:15But what he was, was a

30:21Ladies and gentlemen, short

30:24our neighborhoods in many ways.

30:26And the city of Norfolk knows

30:31City of Norfolk banned all

30:33entire city, with the exception

30:38designated areas.

30:40And for a neighborhood to even

30:43term rental, they have to fill

30:46of the entire neighborhood

30:50city council.

30:52We are in Norfolk, backwards,

30:59are our good neighbors,

31:03have a good standard

31:05and we are sacrificing our

31:10highest bidder at the expense

31:14with our puppies at the expense

31:17expense of our retirees and

31:20And so today, I plead with you

31:27by taking action towards

31:29in our community and restoring

31:32our community back

31:38And then the next time I have

31:41And I just thank you today for

31:45your service to

31:47Thank you.

31:49Robert. Robert.

31:55Robert. Duncan.

31:57Robert Duncan will

32:00John Lewis will

32:08Good evening, City Council.

32:10My name is Robert Duncan.

32:11I reside at 1104 Taylor Place.

32:14I've lived in Norfolk now for

32:19enough to live in Willoughby

32:24I've seen that the area of

32:28kind of been a slow, evolving,

32:32And that's all changed lately

32:35in people coming through our

32:39picking up loved ones from

32:44turning it into mini vacations,

32:47go down to Virginia Beach,

32:49Norfolk, or some of them are.

32:51Norfolk has now become a

32:55a destination.

32:56We're starting to get

32:59And that in turn is helping the

33:03and Willoughby, and it's

33:07that people and families

33:10And I've lived there.

33:12My family lives there.

33:14I have a ten year old and a 13

33:16other neighbors on my street

33:20they're not moving

33:22In fact, we have a fair amount

33:27our community has not changed.

33:28I had a person that is against

33:32me up and they said, hey,

33:34Not a problem.

33:35You know, we might have

33:38see is what's best for Norfolk

33:42And this is not going to really

33:48Norfolk because I'll

33:50But what I want to see is I

33:54view and a vibrant Willoughby

33:59And I think that slowing down

34:06And we've got something that

34:08Virginia don't have and

34:11It's a problem of people coming

34:14their their money on their

34:18money or, you know, their

34:21vacation money on

34:24And I think that this is an

34:26look at very hard.

34:28And I'm not saying no

34:31I don't want the Wild West.

34:32And I surely don't want

34:35are are permanent.

34:37But we're at 3%.

34:39And will it be that's

34:41If we were in the teens or

34:43something like that,

34:45And this 300 foot buffer.

34:48If you drop a Airbnb or a or

34:52of one block that can cover

34:56So I would say take a

34:59And if you have to do anything,

35:03foot buffer to

35:06And that will keep

35:10Thank you very much for

35:12Thank you John.

35:15John Lewis.

35:23John will be followed

35:26John.

35:27Good evening, Mr. Mayor

35:30My name is John Lewis.

35:31I reside at 1116 Toller

35:3523503. And I'm here this

35:38the short term rental

35:41emphasis on its application

35:44Truth be told, I honestly

35:48growth for totally place alone.

35:50Where I live.

35:51I feel we have enough already.

35:54I can speak anecdotally about

35:57rentals, the negative effects

35:59me as I've been a

36:02But I will say that an influx

36:04high occupancy turnover

36:08transition that compromises

36:11neighborhood stability and

36:13threatens a community's

36:15In due time, this may very

36:19neighborhood's character

36:22Now, don't get me wrong, I

36:24short term rental growth is

36:28that this issue

36:30I do not begrudge anyone for

36:34mechanism to make that buck

36:37So what is fair and reasonable?

36:38I stand with many other owner

36:42and others who are unable to

36:45controls and parameters are

36:46needed to prevent

36:49Controls and parameters that

36:52a healthy balance between

36:56For context, my home is

36:59rentals that I'm aware of.

37:01The furthest one is 217ft from

37:06The other three are

37:10Two of those stars are

37:13The third directly across the

37:15A fourth is directly

37:18I consider this neither

37:21I take zero comfort in the

37:24pop up if STRs are allowed

37:28So what's the.

37:28So what.

37:30In my opinion, the.

37:31So what is about the

37:33This proposal provides a much

37:36distance, not by strict

37:38provisioning for continued

37:42It would prevent additional

37:45such as I previously described.

37:46But perhaps most importantly,

37:49preservation of community and

37:53that many led many of us to

37:56home, our neighborhood,

37:59The owner occupied home is the

38:03and united community.

38:05It would be a shame for that

38:08attrition due to factors

38:11As a proud Norfolk citizen,

38:14occupant, I implore you to

38:18term rental limitation overlay.

38:19Thank you for your

38:26Jack. Blake.

38:29Jack. Blake.

38:33Okay.

38:35Melanie. Whitehead.

38:47Good evening, City

38:49My name is Melanie Whitehead

38:50and I live at 916

38:53I'm happy to have just

38:55I once owned a small condo in

38:58made the place unlivable.

38:59I was a renter for about three

39:02that time resumed the hunt for

39:05other community activities.

39:07I joined the Willoughby Civic

39:09educate myself about the area.

39:11I learned that the caps were

39:14rate of nearly 80%.

39:17I also saw the steady stream of

39:20to us for approval.

39:21With that knowledge, I began to

39:24home was so difficult.

39:26I'm a Navy veteran and had

39:29to secure the home,

39:31I was being undercut and outbid

39:36As someone who hoped to turn

39:38the home into a

39:40In the meantime, the Civic

39:42pleadings of potential SGR

39:45home in our room.

39:46It's only for a couple of

39:49can take place without our

39:52comments like that.

39:53Esther's were left to run amok

39:58some operators.

39:59It's not a good feeling to have

40:01residents are old, retired, and

40:04in the way of

40:07Individuals, by the way,

40:09they live here too.

40:10What does it say that it is, as

40:12we call it, the

40:15left unchecked, the

40:17and the peace and quiet that

40:20rapidly disappear in the name

40:23I search for a permanent home

40:26to compete with people whose

40:28wallet, not in bettering the

40:33We have a unique neighborhood

40:35celebrate milestones, holidays

40:37and help each other

40:39Several of us, and formerly

40:43gathered on the beach in the

40:45in with each other.

40:46I'm grateful to live here.

40:48We asked the council to

40:51preserve the uniqueness and

40:52community of our

40:54Thank you so much.

40:56Thank you.

41:00Cecilia. Ricardo.

41:08Thank you.

41:08Welcome.

41:09Good evening, mayor

41:11I'm Cecilia Ricardo at 718

41:15Uh, Willoughby Civic League

41:17View Business Association

41:19member and president

41:21When my wife and I started

41:24that short term rentals bring

41:26parties, trash and

41:29We took those

41:30We established rules and

41:33protect the quiet beach

41:36But after two years we saw.

41:39We saw what we saw were

41:41beach, hamlet, parents,

41:45here for the same reasons

41:47So we requested cities, uh, SCR

41:52the report said in 2023, when

41:56everybody to report all the

41:59complaints about STRs, there

42:03actual physical violations for

42:06time, no noise or

42:10That doesn't mean that

42:12It just means that city records

42:13don't support STRs

42:17Then the argument shifted.

42:19They said s tear density

42:21And we found the figures we

42:26STRs amongst 2000 housing units.

42:29That's 3%.

42:31That's about four out of

42:34What evidence shows that 3.6%

42:39a 300 foot buffer?

42:43Now the argument is

42:46We all value neighborhood

42:48measure the character?

42:50And to know that the

42:52what evidence connects short

42:53term rentals to

42:58The claims keep changing.

42:59The need for

43:01These perceptions

43:04They divide us neighbors, and

43:07constant threat and attack by

43:08the Civic League

43:10Meanwhile, we have sought clear

43:152022 and have received

43:19last four years.

43:20Airbnb says they

43:23The city says it's too

43:24complicated to

43:25So why are we considering

43:28activity before establishing

43:31Please reject the overlay or

43:34reliable revenue figures and

43:38evidence that actual.

43:40That actually demonstrates

43:43Good neighbors are defined by

43:46the length of someone's day.

43:48Thank you so much for

43:50Thank you, Trustee West.

44:05My name is Rusty West.

44:07I live at 1216 West Ocean

44:10Uh, good evening, Mayor

44:14I will start by asking those

44:16overlay to please stand.

44:23Thank you.

44:25Thank you for the opportunity

44:28I am president of the

44:30My neighborhood and community

44:33of extreme density of

44:36We have many residents who no

44:38longer have a

44:39They have a mini motel with new

44:43and staying for a few days.

44:46STRs are not neighbors.

44:47They are a business

44:50Their guests don't care about

44:51the person in the

44:53They are not somebody a

44:56have an emergency.

44:57Need a ride somewhere or

45:00If you have stayed in a

45:03interaction did you want to

45:06room next door?

45:07That is how str

45:11str guests are

45:14Don't get me wrong, I'm not

45:19I'm advocating for

45:22What we have now is

45:26We are asking for.

45:27All we are asking for is to

45:30Currently, there are no

45:34can be in Willoughby.

45:36The overlay will give us

45:38There were several compromises

45:41stakeholders in

45:44After all the meetings, hours

45:47Planning Department staff

45:51endorse this overlay

45:54as planning chairperson Kim

45:58this overlay may not be

46:00starting point.

46:02If it needs tweaking in a

46:05Some may look at this as

46:08for the city of Norfolk.

46:09So be it.

46:10We'll take it.

46:12We just need something to get

46:15that are growing and

46:18We currently have the highest

46:21No matter how you

46:24We are only a sandbar two miles

46:29And yet we have 60 current

46:34applications are

46:37We need your help to adopt the

46:41workable guidelines

46:44Hampton has a good plan and

46:47density well.

46:48Virginia Beach has recently

46:51regulations due to high

46:55Norfolk needs to catch up and

46:58There are no other

47:01This is the only game in town.

47:03Please take this opportunity

47:06League overlay.

47:08Thank you.

47:08Thank you, Greg Petricola.

47:20Good evening.

47:21I'm Greg Petricola,

47:23Mr. mayor and council members.

47:25I live at 524 West

47:27I've been a resident there

47:31I'm here tonight to urge you to

47:34rental overlay.

47:36While I understand the

47:39concern regarding rapid

47:43restrictive overlay is

47:46It directly threatens

47:50jeopardizes a vital pillar

47:55Let's be clear about what

47:58It is a direct infringement

48:02When citizens invest their hard

48:06Norfolk, they do so with the

48:10right to utilize their asset

48:15For many residents, operating a

48:19a corp, about corporate greed.

48:21It's about financial lifeline.

48:23In today's economic climate,

48:27what allows local families,

48:32to afford rising property

48:37pay for their mortgages.

48:38Stripping away this flexibility

48:43diminishes property values and

48:45penalizes responsible

48:50Beyond the individual impact,

48:53economic damage to our city.

48:56Proponents note that the

48:59the highest density of stars

49:02Planning Commission's

49:05But high density is

49:08Visitors who stay in these

49:12They are active consumers.

49:14They buy groceries, rent

49:18restaurants, coffee shops and

49:22Unlike traditional hotels,

49:27decentralized tourism dollars

49:32the heart of a coastal

49:35seasonal commerce.

49:38We are told we need these

49:40neighborhood character.

49:42But I bet an overlay is a

49:46It doesn't distinguish between

49:50quiet, well-managed property.

49:52It punishes everyone.

49:54If the city faces challenges

49:57the solution is not to

49:59eliminate a thriving

50:02The solution is stricter

50:05code and holding individual

50:09We cannot afford to stifle

50:12trample on the rights of

50:14citizens who invest

50:17I urge the Council to protect

50:21businesses and to vote

50:24Jamie Sullivan.

50:32Good evening, mayor Council.

50:34I'm Jim Sullivan, I live

50:39and I'm requesting that you

50:42because the direct vote not

50:45Norfolk, too.

50:49When I first started coming to

50:53I came every year up to 2021,

50:57a visitor.

50:58Once I became an owner in

51:02One of the first things I did

51:05what the environment was like

51:08not trying to build me up.

51:09It's just did.

51:11One thing I noticed was there

51:15street and it.

51:16I didn't know it had changed

51:19environment or whatever of the

51:22saw it change it.

51:23So then I started looking for

51:26Civic League would say,

51:28I mean, ask us to approve

51:32So I would look for

51:33And then I wonder,

51:35No one could tell me.

51:37So I paid to have two scrapers,

51:41didn't cost much to

51:43They were.

51:46What I found is, is they.

51:47They showed over 1000 short

51:50term rentals in

51:52So when I started going through

51:55they were duplications, but

51:59So then I started looking at

52:00the ones that were

52:02For example, on little Bay

52:06terrain walk, like we called

52:10Bay in the 1100 block.

52:11There were five that were legal

52:15one, one neighbor said when she

52:18five of them.

52:19So I started walking around.

52:21I went down to Willoughby Bay

52:25saying who it was.

52:26It's like a complex.

52:28There's six illegal short

52:31planning department

52:33This is just an example.

52:35The reason I mentioned Norfolk

52:39revenue that comes in each

52:42gives or pays that

52:46And I found a lot of those.

52:47I found two on a commercial lot.

52:50So it's been on and on and I've

52:53I didn't want to find all these.

52:54Didn't expect it.

52:56I thought I was going to be

52:58showing where everything was.

52:59I started discovering

53:01The other thing is that if the

53:05paying are watching over things

53:09the beginning, back in 2021,

53:12just gave you.

53:13They also had.

53:15And then I wonder, well,

53:17As far as in my

53:20Bottom line is, is that where

53:23state of in the city of Norfolk

53:27vouchers so that things can be

53:30affordable, made

53:32I found that by the revenue

53:36Thank you sir.

53:36Thank you.

53:37I appreciate it.

53:38Martini.

53:40My. My.

53:43Martini. Patricia.

53:55Hello. Good evening.

53:57Good evening.

53:58My name is Martina.

54:00Patricia and I own the house at

54:011147 little Bay

54:05I'm speaking today in support

54:08like to explain why I've had

54:12families in my home for a

54:16preparing to deploy.

54:17Having a full kitchen to

54:21A quiet bedroom to truly rest

54:27all the difference

54:29while they are.

54:30While they are here.

54:31They shop locally, dine at

54:35groceries here.

54:37Many aren't tourists.

54:38They're military families,

54:42contract workers who contribute

54:44to our community

54:47I personally visited

54:51in sprinkler systems and other

54:55legally operate as

54:59The issue of unpermitted short

55:03first through stronger fines

55:08I was told there was short term.

55:11Illegal short term

55:13And it was reported to the city

55:17a very small fine.

55:20It feels like this approach

55:21penalizes responsible operators.

55:24And instead of addressing

55:28That's why this will be overlay

55:32will create more enforcement

55:36goes unsolved.

55:39So I respectfully ask for you

55:44short term rentals.

55:46Thank you for letting me speak

55:47today and for your

55:52And I do want to

55:56on the city of Hampton that

56:02increase the short term

56:06They have an overlay

56:10But now they want more

56:14I mean, something

56:18Thank you.

56:19Elizabeth.

56:27Good evening, city Council.

56:29My name is Elizabeth Gallo.

56:30I reside at 1130 1136 little

56:36I've been there since 2017.

56:38I'm asking you to

56:41In the past 7 or 8 years, I

56:45following locations.

56:461134 little Bay where

56:50113811511155115411571124

56:58behind me on West Ocean View.

57:001137 now.

57:021107 has been identified with

57:06was notified about in May,

57:10I ask you respectfully, how

57:14This is just one

57:16Little Bay runs about

57:19My personal experiences with

57:25their human guests in a 900

57:29legal str two instances of

57:34Social services were called.

57:35My neighbors sheltered

57:39In one situation, a toddler

57:43diaper on in the

57:44That was a legal str.

57:46Prostitution parties and other

57:51continued illegally for a year.

57:54Domestic violence

57:57That was illegal.

57:58STR Drug parties at 4 a.m.

58:01I called police.

58:02That was a legal str CRA

58:06on a Sunday evening

58:08That was illegal.

58:09STR my friends used to

58:14They were longtime renters.

58:15They were there for eight years.

58:17The owners gave them 30 days

58:21in the height of shortage,

58:25home because the owners wanted

58:29owners tell you that they care

58:32they care about our

58:34But I think they do not.

58:36When we share our concerns and

58:39replies are three deny distort

58:42that data or they

58:45Well, frankly, there are no

58:48for the OVC hags, but

58:51All they do is dance at their

58:53broomsticks for the

58:55STR owners are concerned with

58:59our neighborhood.

59:00Quite honestly, I am tired,

59:04physically exhausted of not

59:08every single week.

59:09Respectfully, I do not want to

59:13I don't want this job.

59:15I already have a job.

59:16I don't want to be your

59:19And all of my 63 years, I

59:22legality of the housing

59:24business in my own neighborhood.

59:26Our other businesses,

59:29allowed to operate for months,

59:32Please take this job back.

59:34Please pass this overlay.

59:36Thank you.

59:44Diane.

59:47Diane. Yes.

59:49Welcome.

1:00:07Diane Cabral, 1540

1:00:11So my comments right now for

1:00:15towards the actual language

1:00:17I don't know if that is

1:00:21introductory language of the

1:00:24about the adverse effects of

1:00:27proliferation of

1:00:29My short term rental is

1:00:33I'm a great neighbor, just

1:00:35I volunteer in the

1:00:37I try to be as active in the

1:00:40Whenever they decide to

1:00:43My business supports at least

1:00:47businesses in the city.

1:00:49On my website, which is on the

1:00:53at least 20 different

1:00:57shops and places of business

1:01:00on a rainy day or

1:01:02I share with the people that

1:01:06the great places are to see in

1:01:09income for the city and for

1:01:13So we're not an adverse effect.

1:01:15Why is that in the language,

1:01:18that you want to

1:01:20We are small businesses.

1:01:2265% of the short term rentals

1:01:25women owned businesses.

1:01:27This is my livelihood,

1:01:30The other thing I would add is

1:01:32there's the use of the

1:01:35This is 2.7% of the

1:01:40How is that a proliferation?

1:01:42How does the state

1:01:45Because Willoughby Spit is in

1:01:49development zone for tourism on

1:01:55City Council voted in favor of

1:01:57establishing a tourism district.

1:02:00Item 469 was passed unanimously

1:02:04here in front of me.

1:02:06Thank you for establishing the

1:02:09Why is this fact not being

1:02:12Planning Commission?

1:02:13I don't understand.

1:02:15For those individuals in the

1:02:19about the proliferation or

1:02:22one thing I would say is

1:02:25whenever the city voted in

1:02:28district and registering that

1:02:29tourism district with the state.

1:02:31I didn't see the comments then,

1:02:35I did a deep dive and a FOIA

1:02:37request on the city's

1:02:39After reviewing all the

1:02:41what I learned is there was a

1:02:45registered legal

1:02:47One,

1:02:49please don't create a

1:02:52this worse.

1:02:53What I've learned in the

1:02:56research I've just completed

1:03:00foot buffers are established,

1:03:02it forces the

1:03:04Right now, you have

1:03:07Don't make it worse.

1:03:09Thank you Daniel.

1:03:10Daniel. Passino.

1:03:18And you'll be followed

1:03:23Good evening.

1:03:24My name is Dan Cousineau and I

1:03:28in Willoughby.

1:03:29I support the overlay.

1:03:31Members of council.

1:03:32I just want to ask you

1:03:35Why should one community which

1:03:40Norfolk communities, bear the

1:03:45total STRs.

1:03:47Norfolk. Norfolk.

1:03:48Why? I asked this question in

1:03:52this plan being a

1:03:55As of yesterday, Norfolk

1:04:01Willoughby alone has 60.

1:04:02Nearly one quarter of

1:04:05Meanwhile, 43%, or 24

1:04:10zero str zero.

1:04:13This is not a.

1:04:15This is not a citywide problem.

1:04:18We're carrying.

1:04:19Willoughby carries

1:04:22It's not a citywide problem.

1:04:24It is a concentrated problem

1:04:27If Willoughby were underwater,

1:04:31flood plan before

1:04:34We should act where

1:04:36Two years ago, some council

1:04:39residents and STR operators

1:04:42these concerns.

1:04:43It fizzled and nothing

1:04:47saturation increased from 41

1:04:52That number does not

1:04:55For nine months, our

1:04:58administrative team have worked

1:05:00tirelessly to

1:05:02The proposal before you.

1:05:04Why not adopt this proposal?

1:05:06Use Willoughby as a two year

1:05:09policy based on actual results.

1:05:11We can learn by doing instead

1:05:15to learn

1:05:16what you are hearing from

1:05:19And you hear it all.

1:05:21And I keep hearing it

1:05:23It's about revenue minus

1:05:26And that's a perfectly

1:05:29But it's not the model that

1:05:32A neighborhood is where people

1:05:36their neighbors, and expect

1:05:38That I'm sure all of you,

1:05:43this. So tonight

1:05:45You can make perfect

1:05:47Or you can take practical

1:05:49action where the

1:05:51This proposal is Pro resident,

1:05:56Act now.

1:05:57Protect. Willoughby.

1:05:58Test the solution.

1:05:59Learn from the results.

1:06:00Thank you.

1:06:01And I know the season

1:06:03All right.

1:06:05James.

1:06:19My name is James McClean.

1:06:21I live at 1112 Toller

1:06:24Um, I'm a fourth generation

1:06:28I've lived here for 75 years

1:06:32business here for 42 years.

1:06:35And I paid a lot of taxes

1:06:38Um, I live on Toller Place,

1:06:42short term rentals, and a six

1:06:46one block.

1:06:48The concentration of short

1:06:50character of our block.

1:06:52Their commercial.

1:06:53These are commercial lodging

1:06:57zoned for residential.

1:06:59The city wouldn't allow five

1:07:02I think that short term rentals

1:07:06same care and consideration.

1:07:08Short term rental operators

1:07:12rentals is unfair.

1:07:13But fairness must also account

1:07:17burden on permanent residents.

1:07:21Six short term rentals in one

1:07:23turnover, multiple arriving

1:07:28residential stability for the

1:07:29people who live here year round.

1:07:33I spent decades working and

1:07:38the city of Norfolk

1:07:41I'm asking you, the City

1:07:43commitment to residential

1:07:47of our neighborhood, and

1:07:51Please put the long term

1:07:54and Norfolk Naval

1:07:58Thank you.

1:07:58Thank you.

1:08:06Mr. bull.

1:08:10An ordinance to

1:08:12Table 3.1.2

1:08:14and section 3.9 of the Norfolk

1:08:18create the short term rental

1:08:23district dispensed with the

1:08:26ordinance twice.

1:08:27Mr. mayor, before we vote.

1:08:29I have a few questions.

1:08:31Mr.. Do you have a.

1:08:38Um, in previous presentations

1:08:43as a pilot program, or it was

1:08:47Could you explain that

1:08:50Because if I hear the word

1:08:53sunset clause on this.

1:08:56So is it a pilot or is it an

1:09:01City it is.

1:09:02It is a change to the city code.

1:09:04Um, it does provide

1:09:07And the rezoning, which is the

1:09:10to a very specific

1:09:12Okay. And then my other

1:09:15there's actually some agreement

1:09:18one of the sticking points

1:09:23originally it was proposed

1:09:26negotiated was

1:09:29And then it was

1:09:31But there's still some

1:09:34What data, what science was

1:09:38number 300, or was that just a

1:09:40number that was given

1:09:43The 300 foot was utilized at

1:09:47cities Hamptons buffer

1:09:49Hampton has a 300 foot buffer,

1:09:52short term rentals.

1:09:53The width of Hampton is

1:09:58Willoughby with 300ft.

1:10:01Okay, so it's not.

1:10:04It's oranges and apples when

1:10:08distance and when you've

1:10:13a landmass.

1:10:15The 300 foot also aligns with

1:10:17We felt that that was a similar

1:10:20other for notifying neighbors

1:10:23So that's, that's where that

1:10:27two numbers joined in the

1:10:28middle, that's

1:10:30It ended up aligning with that.

1:10:31But thank.

1:10:32You.

1:10:33Mr. Mayor.

1:10:34I just want to can I make some

1:10:35comments before everybody votes?

1:10:38Did you make your comments when

1:10:41Uh, okay.

1:10:42Well, then I would like to

1:10:47change it from 300ft to 150ft.

1:10:50Um, since it's a pilot.

1:10:52Um, but since I'm not allowed

1:10:55do that.

1:10:56Mr. mayor, I would like to.

1:10:57Okay. Yes.

1:10:58Thank you.

1:10:59Um, so, um, first of all, I

1:11:05Willoughby Civic League,

1:11:08that the foundation of our

1:11:12with civic leagues.

1:11:13Um, the problem that I've had

1:11:18this overlay district is that,

1:11:23all of Ocean View except for

1:11:27Um, and we've had, I was

1:11:31a very long time, um, until

1:11:35impact that it does have,

1:11:36particularly with

1:11:38Um, if you talk to any business

1:11:42tell you that a large portion

1:11:45in the slow months, are due to

1:11:50and staying in

1:11:51Um, with that.

1:11:52So and it's okay, you

1:11:55I'm, I'm giving my perspective

1:11:58Okay. Um, I have talked to all

1:12:03Ocean view about this,

1:12:06Um, and there's

1:12:09It almost gets just as much

1:12:12Um, in ocean view.

1:12:14Um, the problem that I've had

1:12:18purposely left out of the

1:12:20discussions of this

1:12:23I was not told about it until

1:12:26Um, and the part that I have

1:12:29impact the rest of ocean view.

1:12:31And I have said this publicly,

1:12:35united generally when

1:12:38We all work together on making

1:12:42impact other parts of Ocean

1:12:46very important to involve

1:12:49represents the other 85% of

1:12:52ocean view in these

1:12:54But I was purposely left out,

1:12:58short term rentals more than

1:13:00opposed them, and I've opposed

1:13:03they've come to vote.

1:13:05Um, my problem is now that

1:13:10program, that it is now

1:13:14parts of ocean View that have

1:13:17rentals in the city, by the way.

1:13:19Um, and other than some

1:13:23and Rick is here with cottage

1:13:27public discussion with my

1:13:32impact that this change will

1:13:35leagues, including possibly

1:13:39term rentals on the other side

1:13:40if they're not allowed

1:13:43So what I'm asking for the 150

1:13:47it can change in a year.

1:13:50Um, which is which was said

1:13:55with all the other

1:13:58Um, and then let's study it and

1:14:00see the economic

1:14:03Let's study and see the impact

1:14:06ocean view.

1:14:07Um, on this and Mr. Mayor,

1:14:09meetings you asked Mr.

1:14:13Has this been studied to

1:14:15would have on the

1:14:17And the answer is

1:14:19We don't know that.

1:14:21So my proposal is, um, is to

1:14:26But asking for the 150 foot

1:14:30And then if the data is there

1:14:34then 300 if you want to, or

1:14:37changes to change the

1:14:39I do want to say also that,

1:14:44illegal short term rentals and

1:14:48That has been the

1:14:50Almost 99% of the complaints

1:14:52I've gotten on

1:14:53They're not short term

1:14:56The those folks that are doing

1:14:59following the law

1:15:00The second part is, is we did

1:15:03the East Ocean view, excuse me,

1:15:06Association, we sent out

1:15:09businesses, um, in along the

1:15:11East Little Creek Road corridor.

1:15:13Do you know there were over

1:15:16term rentals operating out of

1:15:18houses along East

1:15:20So when you those folks that

1:15:23a business.

1:15:25Um, short term rentals is a

1:15:26all throughout the city.

1:15:27People run bakeries

1:15:30Some people run plumbing

1:15:33Their houses.

1:15:34Um, and finally, um, many of my

1:15:38we have been working actively

1:15:43Ocean View.

1:15:44Um, and guess what data Hilton

1:15:49there would be a good fit for a

1:15:50high end Hilton

1:15:53They looked at short term

1:15:54rental data and

1:15:56Um, so, uh, upscale hotel may

1:16:00rental issues, but Mr. Mayor,

1:16:03of 150ft from 300.

1:16:06All right.

1:16:07Um,

1:16:09listen, no, no no, no.

1:16:10Listen, Mr. Speaker, respected

1:16:13Please, um, let him have his

1:16:18after the amendment, either

1:16:23measure in front of us.

1:16:24So thank you for for

1:16:29This is on the.

1:16:30This is on.

1:16:31This is on the amendment.

1:16:32If there's a second to the

1:16:35I second.

1:16:36Okay. There's a

1:16:37To change the 300 to 150ft.

1:16:40We're voting on the

1:16:42And if the amendment passes,

1:16:48If not, then we'll go back to

1:16:49the original, to the

1:16:51This. Of course, Mr. Bull.

1:16:53Mr. Glanton.

1:16:54I

1:16:56miss Doyle.

1:16:57On the amendment.

1:16:58Correct.

1:16:58Only the amendment.

1:16:59Okay.

1:17:00Okay. Mrs. Johnson.

1:17:07One of my concerns is, as

1:17:13Willoughby is that I look

1:17:19as similar communities.

1:17:22And one of the questions

1:17:25Um, why was Ocean View left out?

1:17:29Um, because your family,

1:17:34Um, I don't think that I've

1:17:36recalled where we've

1:17:40Um,

1:17:42one without the other because

1:17:47special district, um, involved.

1:17:50Um, and I wanted to know about

1:17:55about ocean view as well.

1:17:57I don't like the fact that it

1:18:04that we change what

1:18:09I don't like that.

1:18:11Um, Councilman Smeagol fully

1:18:16Ocean View.

1:18:17If you're going to do it for

1:18:19for Ocean View.

1:18:21Um. So what?

1:18:22I. Please do not talk

1:18:25I provided you the courtesy.

1:18:28I provided you the courtesy.

1:18:30Um, so I would say that after

1:18:36get to work right

1:18:40And what am I voting

1:18:42The amendment

1:18:44to to change what is 150ft.

1:18:48Um, I'm going to vote no with

1:18:53group Team Norfolk will

1:18:58View and that we get

1:19:02Mr. McGee.

1:19:03Now.

1:19:04Mr. Page.

1:19:07We need to make sure that the

1:19:11changes we make.

1:19:13And there was a request for a

1:19:18mayor actually requested.

1:19:19That never took place.

1:19:20My vote is.

1:19:21no.

1:19:23Mr.. Smigel.

1:19:26Mr.. Thomas.

1:19:27No. Doctor.

1:19:28Alexander.

1:19:29No.

1:19:30So we'll go back and vote

1:19:33public hearing for

1:19:35Pursuant to state law and the

1:19:37Commission to

1:19:39Table 3.1.2 and section 3.9 of

1:19:45so as to create the short term

1:19:47rental limitation

1:19:50And once again, vote 5 to 1.

1:19:52Planning Commission recommended

1:19:55amend and Reordain.

1:19:56Table 3.1.2 and section 3.9 of

1:20:01so as to create the long term

1:20:05STRLO district.

1:20:07Dispense with the charter

1:20:08ordinance twice and adopt

1:20:11Mr. Clanton.

1:20:13Mr. Mayor.

1:20:14Um, one of the speakers

1:20:17needs to catch up.

1:20:18I agree, and that's why I said

1:20:22this in a patchwork manner.

1:20:25Um, I understand that there

1:20:28Willoughby and also potentially

1:20:30in Ocean View in

1:20:32Um, but there are short term

1:20:34council all along, all

1:20:37I don't represent those

1:20:40of the individuals who does

1:20:41make a decision

1:20:43Um, one of the things I

1:20:46co-chair of the Mayor's

1:20:48presentation about a book and

1:20:50it was escaping

1:20:52And the first chapter says, um,

1:20:57for investment?

1:20:58And when you read that, um,

1:21:02both, it can potentially, I'm

1:21:05rights to be able to do what

1:21:07you want with your,

1:21:10But I also have to think about

1:21:11your neighbors

1:21:13Um, and how it adversely

1:21:17also when we do policy, we also

1:21:21the negative effect.

1:21:22And so my concern has been when

1:21:25allow one civic league

1:21:29What will stop us from opening

1:21:31And the city has not addressed

1:21:35short term rentals.

1:21:36I still stand with that.

1:21:37I still stand in the respect

1:21:40but I think that there is

1:21:43manager and others that

1:21:45immediately start

1:21:47We have to start working and

1:21:50And so I do believe if we're

1:21:53you mentioned, and that we can

1:21:57at the data.

1:21:58Hampton wanted to reduce their

1:22:02And I think that you all have a

1:22:033%, but also

1:22:06Thank you all for your

1:22:08number of emails and

1:22:10It has really given a

1:22:12And that one.

1:22:12So not to belabor that.

1:22:14I am in the spirit of a letting

1:22:20something definitely I'm going

1:22:23to push for city wide action.

1:22:24So tonight, in that

1:22:26Hi.

1:22:27Mrs. Doyle.

1:22:28Hi.

1:22:29Mrs. Johnson, Mr. McGee.

1:22:31Hi, Mr. Page.

1:22:34In favor of the citizens that

1:22:37have been here the

1:22:39Mr. Smigel.

1:22:40No.

1:22:41Mr. Thomas.

1:22:42Hi, doctor.

1:22:42Alexander.

1:22:43Hi. Mr. Clark, page five.

1:22:45Public hearing five scheduled

1:22:47and the application of City

1:22:50the properties located in the

1:22:54apply the STRLO short term

1:22:58district and by a five one vote

1:23:01approval of an

1:23:03I have a few.

1:23:05Speakers, some of the same.

1:23:06They may opt to speak or not.

1:23:09William Hayes, would

1:23:11Is William Hayes here?

1:23:12Yes.

1:23:16William Hayes will be

1:23:24Good evening, Mayor Council.

1:23:26Appreciate your

1:23:29I'm William Hayes.

1:23:30I live at 107 Toller Place

1:23:35Willoughby Spit for 21 years.

1:23:38Uh, currently work at Swell

1:23:43Willoughby, which has been in

1:23:47Um, 40%

1:23:51of our clientele from

1:23:57to Labor Day come from

1:24:00I do not own a

1:24:03Uh, I'm here to speak about

1:24:06overlay for Willoughby,

1:24:09vacationers visitors mean for

1:24:13Spit and Ocean View, primarily

1:24:18Our beach quarter businesses

1:24:21shops, bait and tackle stores,

1:24:25stations make their year

1:24:30and visitors who sustained them

1:24:34hot dog?

1:24:36Their families and groups of

1:24:40week unpack and

1:24:43Breakfast at the diner.

1:24:45Grocery shopping for the house.

1:24:48Dinner out 3 or 4 nights a week

1:24:51at 6 a.m.

1:24:52before fishing trip

1:24:55Souvenirs on the way home.

1:24:57Every one of those

1:25:00Cash registers.

1:25:02Here's what I want

1:25:05Every guest night and vacation

1:25:09dollars tax dollars

1:25:12When we cap the number of homes

1:25:14that can welcome those visitors.

1:25:16We don't cap just permits.

1:25:18We cap restaurant covers,

1:25:22and neighbors and tax revenue.

1:25:24And for those visitors

1:25:27They when they do disappear,

1:25:30other areas, and

1:25:33I understand the concerns that

1:25:37and I support strong

1:25:38enforcement against

1:25:41The city's own enforcement work

1:25:44be addressed, but the answer

1:25:49freeze that starves the good

1:25:53Ocean View.

1:25:54Please protect the seasonal

1:25:58that we depend on.

1:26:00Thank you very much.

1:26:01Thank you.

1:26:01Richard Anderson.

1:26:11Good evening.

1:26:12My name is Richard Anderson.

1:26:14I'm the president of the

1:26:16also a member of the

1:26:19My address is 2060 East Ocean

1:26:23Norfolk, Virginia.

1:26:25I also was a past resident of

1:26:29it's near and dear to my heart.

1:26:31Honorable mayor, vice mayor,

1:26:35I am speaking in support of the

1:26:40Now you've heard many speakers

1:26:44against the STR

1:26:47Um. So please let me address

1:26:52concerning the approval

1:26:54I'm not going to go over all

1:26:57You're going to hear

1:26:59Um, the first concern is that

1:27:05in Willoughby will be

1:27:08The STR developers and owners

1:27:13other wards well

1:27:16Willoughby uh STR um, they're

1:27:22they're coming to the

1:27:25Now, is it not better to use

1:27:28the Willoughby str

1:27:31Should other wards need to

1:27:36lieu of having to reinvent the

1:27:40the development of

1:27:43Also, as a member of the

1:27:47Willoughby Ocean View, South

1:27:51Pinwheel and East Ocean View, I

1:27:55of the leaders of those civic

1:27:58leagues are in support

1:28:01Not all of them, but

1:28:05Another concern is that there

1:28:07is a fear of state intervention.

1:28:09Okay, regardless of

1:28:11Willoughby STR overlay, there

1:28:15control that would have

1:28:17attention, such as the very

1:28:21Control Ordinance or the

1:28:25on STRs.

1:28:26If state intervention does

1:28:30made that STR developers and

1:28:33price for housing

1:28:36because they can offer a

1:28:39residential home

1:28:42As a lady earlier attested to

1:28:48on investment.

1:28:50The con.

1:28:51This is a direct conflict with

1:28:54by Virginia's current

1:28:57It's not making affordable

1:29:02equitable compromise plan for

1:29:05serve as a solution for just

1:29:08wards in the city.

1:29:10If this test case is

1:29:13support the Willoughby

1:29:16Thank you.

1:29:19Diane.

1:29:23Diane, would you

1:29:26Please come.

1:29:28Followed by Daniel Campbell.

1:29:51So just a couple of concerns

1:29:54passage of PF four.

1:29:56You all have referred

1:29:58How come that information is.

1:30:00We are we're on page five.

1:30:02Now, I understand it's

1:30:04Page five for page five.

1:30:06There's nothing in the

1:30:08it to one year or as a pilot.

1:30:10But yet it's only being

1:30:13So there are several

1:30:17Someone has mentioned that.

1:30:19I just heard someone mention

1:30:22of housing or it

1:30:25It makes more competition

1:30:27I have to tell you, if you

1:30:30View Avenue lately, like within

1:30:33there's a fire sale.

1:30:35There's more than 35 properties

1:30:37that are on the

1:30:38I just spoke with someone who's

1:30:41She has them priced under

1:30:43market, under the

1:30:46And no one is trying to

1:30:49They aren't

1:30:51There's so many properties that

1:30:54of properties that have become

1:30:57went out in April.

1:30:58regarding the consideration.

1:31:00Consideration of this zoning

1:31:01text amendment have skyrocketed.

1:31:03So I just want to

1:31:06The city has also recently

1:31:09ADUs or accessory

1:31:11We're inviting people in to

1:31:15increase the density of housing.

1:31:18Short term rental operators and

1:31:22serve a vital need

1:31:24The military.

1:31:26We have the largest military

1:31:29right here in Norfolk.

1:31:30But as you know, I don't have

1:31:33demand on housing

1:31:36I'd say at least half of my

1:31:39been from military families

1:31:42their family home from a

1:31:45from a deployment, or a

1:31:48We serve a vital need for

1:31:52military that are here.

1:31:54So what happens whenever these

1:31:58Has anybody involved the

1:32:01housing office in

1:32:03I work with the military

1:32:06How that hasn't been mentioned

1:32:09is of great concern.

1:32:11I've heard several council

1:32:14Housing Commission.

1:32:15I agree

1:32:17this is not an approach.

1:32:19This is just being singled out

1:32:21for one certain

1:32:22How does this fix the whole

1:32:27especially for Norfolk's

1:32:30So you're you're basically

1:32:32lease or a deed in order to

1:32:36coastline in the Ocean

1:32:39Let that sink in for a minute.

1:32:41Lastly, in front of you, I just

1:32:43gave you a letter

1:32:46These are the businesses

1:32:48landscapers, restaurants,

1:32:52cleaners and women owned

1:32:54businesses that are being

1:32:57Thank you so much.

1:32:58Thank you.

1:32:59Daniel Campbell.

1:33:02Followed by Katie Campbell.

1:33:09Good evening everyone.

1:33:10Thank you for giving me a

1:33:13I reside at 179 Commodore Drive.

1:33:15I've been there since 2005.

1:33:17I support the overlay

1:33:19term rentals in Willoughby.

1:33:21Spit overlay restrictions are a

1:33:23the quality of life

1:33:25For people who have made it

1:33:27future residents.

1:33:28Thank you.

1:33:29Thank you.

1:33:30Katie Campbell.

1:33:42Hello. Good evening.

1:33:44My name is Katie Campbell and

1:33:48Norfolk, Virginia.

1:33:49I support the overlay

1:33:51short term rentals and

1:33:53redistricting in

1:33:54I'm a Norfolk native and I

1:33:57currently live in

1:33:59My husband and I have been

1:34:02Willoughby, but with the

1:34:04rentals, we are weighing our

1:34:07we'd like to look elsewhere

1:34:09The concentration of short term

1:34:12very high, and adding more make

1:34:16time occupant.

1:34:17Thank you for your

1:34:19Thank you.

1:34:23We have several speakers that

1:34:27I'm going to call

1:34:29would like to come back

1:34:32John Lewis.

1:34:33You signed up, would you?

1:34:35Okay. Thank you.

1:34:37Uh, Rusty West,

1:34:40would you like to speak?

1:34:41Speak again, sir?

1:34:42Okay. Come right on.

1:34:57Good evening again, Rusty West

1:35:01And just a couple

1:35:03Um, one that, uh, you were, I

1:35:10file, and I have five of the

1:35:15signed their leadership, signed

1:35:19were endorsing the

1:35:22So, you know, they understand

1:35:27will affect them down the road,

1:35:29but they do endorse it as it is.

1:35:31So we can see how it works.

1:35:34Um, in 2024, there were a

1:35:38done with various people

1:35:42Um, I believe Mr. Smigel

1:35:46predecessor was there.

1:35:48Um, at the end of those

1:35:53Nothing happened.

1:35:54It was just the

1:35:56Everybody moved on.

1:35:58I would like to volunteer to

1:36:02two years, to review and see

1:36:06all of Ocean View if necessary,

1:36:09or all of Norfolk,

1:36:11So I'm going to throw my name

1:36:14know that if they need somebody

1:36:18Thank you.

1:36:19Thank you.

1:36:24Uh, also signed up.

1:36:27Rusty. Rusty West, would

1:36:31Rusty. I'm sorry.

1:36:32Um, James.

1:36:34Jim Sullivan, would you

1:36:37Jim?

1:36:41I want to thank you.

1:36:43I really do.

1:36:44Because some of you I've

1:36:49that when you're considering.

1:36:51I understand what Councilman

1:36:55Consider the fact that,

1:36:59neighborhood and I watched the

1:37:03And I'm for this understanding

1:37:07sell my house someday

1:37:10I'm really.

1:37:10That's okay.

1:37:12Because of the more money, even

1:37:15real good market.

1:37:17The other thing is, and this.

1:37:18I'll end it with this.

1:37:20We put a lot of money in.

1:37:21When I moved there, there in

1:37:25about 175,000.

1:37:27Not that we're

1:37:28You just start peeling the

1:37:33we're not going to have a

1:37:37I pass away my kids get it or

1:37:40saying that in that, uh, the

1:37:42value that I see

1:37:45want to live there?

1:37:46Like the ones that

1:37:50That's what I'm trying

1:37:52So that's the reason I voted

1:37:56really appreciate the fact that

1:38:00to live and it that

1:38:04And when I see that there's 5

1:38:08place, it's just too dense.

1:38:10And this is the end.

1:38:12When I see a house like I just

1:38:16telling me in Willoughby that

1:38:20short term rental owner that's

1:38:24that was rented to four

1:38:26given a letter that they saying

1:38:29vacated by May because he's

1:38:34That that really does hurt me.

1:38:35But I'm not trying to use that.

1:38:37I'm just trying to show that

1:38:40To give an example, and sir,

1:38:43approach you, I really do.

1:38:45And ma'am, I appreciate the

1:38:50that we are listening,

1:38:52Thank you.

1:38:53Thank you, thank you.

1:38:55Elizabeth, you would

1:38:59Okay.

1:39:01You have to say her name, right?

1:39:02It's okay.

1:39:04It's dove, dove, dove w

1:39:08It's a w here.

1:39:08It's okay.

1:39:09Okay. I know.

1:39:10All right.

1:39:10Appreciate it.

1:39:11Thank you.

1:39:12I just want to ask you to

1:39:14I want our neighborhood

1:39:18And right now, it's not.

1:39:19Please make my

1:39:21Thank you.

1:39:22All right.

1:39:23Daniel, would you

1:39:26And if James McLean.

1:39:28If you want to speak

1:39:31Okay.

1:39:34I don't know if the council is

1:39:39but the planning Commission

1:39:43nine months.

1:39:45You know, working with all

1:39:48bringing people together and

1:39:52just just phenomenal, very

1:39:56and with each other.

1:39:58So take that into consideration

1:40:02commission that we should

1:40:05recommendations are.

1:40:06So thank you.

1:40:07Thank you.

1:40:08James McLean, would you

1:40:12Thank you, Mr. Bull.

1:40:16Yes. An ordinance to rezone

1:40:19Willoughby area of the city

1:40:24rental limitation

1:40:27Dispense with the charter

1:40:29ordinance twice and adopt

1:40:32Mr. Clanton Mr. mayor, I just

1:40:35clarification for me.

1:40:38Done.

1:40:42So with this current ordinance

1:40:45Anyone that is currently has a

1:40:48be grandfathered in?

1:40:50Or does this restrict

1:40:52No. The ones that currently

1:40:5528th, 2026 that were legally

1:41:00part of the approval are, are

1:41:02long as they renew.

1:41:03Got it.

1:41:04So those who are currently

1:41:07term rental will still be able

1:41:10continue to do their

1:41:12Correct. Yes, sir.

1:41:13All right.

1:41:13Mister.

1:41:14Legal nonconforming.

1:41:15No, they they would they

1:41:18administrative permit.

1:41:19So they are they are a

1:41:21So no more content.

1:41:23So no more q p correct.

1:41:25Correct. There is no more QPS

1:41:27will be applied.

1:41:28All right.

1:41:29Thank you, Mister Roberts.

1:41:29I just wanted that distinction.

1:41:30Thank you.

1:41:31And Mr. Clinton, can I add

1:41:34The ordinance that you passed,

1:41:37not this item.

1:41:38This is the the map amendment

1:41:41But but the P four also added

1:41:46now also added a enforcement

1:41:51certain number of violations,

1:41:55made ineligible for renewal.

1:41:56So it is not carte blanche to

1:42:00be renewed or

1:42:01You still have to maintain

1:42:03compliance with the

1:42:05Thank you.

1:42:06Mr.. Mr..

1:42:07Mr.. Five years.

1:42:09Are they on five, um,

1:42:13The existing short term rentals

1:42:18or it varies depending.

1:42:19Some are on five.

1:42:20Some are in ten depending if

1:42:21their conditional

1:42:22They approvals

1:42:24When they renew, they will come

1:42:26approval process.

1:42:27Okay. Mr..

1:42:28Mr..

1:42:28Clanton I.

1:42:30Mrs..

1:42:31Doyle I.

1:42:32Mrs..

1:42:32Johnson I.

1:42:33Mr.. McGee I Mr..

1:42:35Page. Hi, Mr. Smigel.

1:42:36Hi, Mr. Thomas.

1:42:38Hi, doctor.

1:42:38Alexander.

1:42:39Hi, Mr. Bull.

1:42:40The council will stand at

1:47:49Please take a seat.

1:47:53Thank you.

1:47:55Mr. Clark, continue

1:47:57The consent agenda will be

1:47:59otherwise noted.

1:48:01Okay. Approve the consent

1:48:04charter requirement for reading

1:48:06with the effective dates.

1:48:08Mr. Clanton.

1:48:09I. Mrs. Doyle.

1:48:11Aye. Mrs..

1:48:11Johnson.

1:48:12Aye.

1:48:12Mr.. McGee.

1:48:13Aye. Mr..

1:48:14Page. Aye.

1:48:15Mr.. Spiegel.

1:48:15Aye. Mr..

1:48:16Thomas. Hi, doctor.

1:48:17Alexander.

1:48:18Aye. Mr..

1:48:18Clark r one.

1:48:19One is an ordinance

1:48:22appropriations

1:48:25to appropriate $5,000 from the

1:48:29Authority for ten employees.

1:48:31Attendance at the Virginia

1:48:34and amending the FY 2027 budget

1:48:38Dispense with the charter

1:48:40ordinance twice and adopt.

1:48:41With the effective date.

1:48:41Mr. Clanton, a Mrs. Doyle.

1:48:44A.

1:48:45Mrs. Johnson, a Mr. McGee, a

1:48:50Thomas, a doctor Alexander.

1:48:51Mr. clerk r2.

1:48:52R2 is an ordinance finding

1:48:56acquisition of fee simple of a

1:49:00in the city of Suffolk, as

1:49:03number 301355000

1:49:05and map number 19

1:49:09For the purpose of

1:49:12operating certain facilities

1:49:15Norfolk's raw water

1:49:18Authorizing the acquisition of

1:49:21the property by either purchase

1:49:25acknowledging the expenditure

1:49:30the same dispensed with the

1:49:32the ordinance twice and adopt.

1:49:34With the effective

1:49:36Mrs. Doyle.

1:49:37I.

1:49:38Mrs. Johnson.

1:49:39I.

1:49:40Mr. McGee I.

1:49:41Mr..

1:49:41Page I.

1:49:42Mr.. Smigel.

1:49:43Mr.. Thomas.

1:49:44Doctor. Alexander.

1:49:45Mr..

1:49:46R3 R3 is an ordinance finding

1:49:49acquisition in fee simple of a

1:49:53the city of Suffolk and

1:49:56number 302518000

1:49:58and map number 19 D one eight.

1:50:01For the purpose of

1:50:04operating certain facilities

1:50:06Norfolk's raw water

1:50:09Authorizing the acquisition of

1:50:12property by either purchase

1:50:15acknowledging the expenditure

1:50:19the same.

1:50:21Dispense with the charter

1:50:21ordinance twice and adopt.

1:50:23With the effective

1:50:26Mrs.. Doyle, Mrs..

1:50:27Johnson, Mr..

1:50:29McGee. Mr..

1:50:30Page, Mr..

1:50:31Smigel I.

1:50:32Mr.. Thomas, doctor Alexander.

1:50:34I r4.

1:50:35R4 is an ordinance amending the

1:50:38Ordinance number 50363

1:50:44from the Virginia Department

1:50:47overtime, conference attendance

1:50:51and to appropriate a $12,162.10

1:50:55local in-kind match and

1:50:58consistent with the same.

1:51:00Dispense with the charter

1:51:02ordinance twice and adopt.

1:51:03With the effective date.

1:51:04Mr. Clinton.

1:51:05A.

1:51:06Mrs. Doyle.

1:51:07A.

1:51:07Mrs. Johnson.

1:51:08I.

1:51:09Mr. McGee I Mr. page.

1:51:11I.

1:51:11Mr. Smigiel, Mr.

1:51:13Alexander Mr. Clark r5.

1:51:15R5 is an ordinance amending the

1:51:19Ordinance number 50363

1:51:24from the Virginia Department

1:51:27overtime and two radar

1:51:30A $10,516.52.

1:51:33Local in-kind match and

1:51:38consistent with the same.

1:51:39Dispense with the charter

1:51:41ordinance twice and adopt

1:51:43Mr. Clanton.

1:51:44Hi.

1:51:45Mrs. Doyle.

1:51:46Hi, Mrs. Johnson.

1:51:47Hi, Mr. McGee.

1:51:49Hi, Mr. Page.

1:51:50Hi, Mr. Smigel.

1:51:51Hi, Mr. Thomas.

1:51:52Hi, doctor.

1:51:53Alexander.

1:51:54Hi, Mr..

1:51:54Clark.

1:51:55R6R6 is a resolution appointing

1:51:58six board, two commissions

1:52:01terms, adopt the

1:52:04Hi, Mrs. Doyle.

1:52:05Hi, Mrs. Johnson.

1:52:06Hi, Mr. McGee.

1:52:08Hi, Mr. Page, Mr. Smigel.

1:52:10Hi, Mr..

1:52:11Thomas. Hi, doctor.

1:52:11Alexander.

1:52:12Hi. Mr. Clark, do

1:52:13That's all I.

1:52:14Have. All right.

1:52:14New business.

1:52:15The first speaker

1:52:17This is Mrs.

1:52:22Elton Robinson

1:52:24Elton would be followed

1:52:33Good evening mayor.

1:52:34Good evening, Council member.

1:52:35Um.

1:52:38I'm here because a friend of

1:52:44child was murdered

1:52:47in Norview.

1:52:49And then it brought

1:52:51Um,

1:52:53I started looking back

1:52:56in 2016, we had a

1:53:012026, we had $1.9

1:53:05That's like $709 million.

1:53:08And the population in

1:53:13And today it's 229.

1:53:15That's a 17,000

1:53:21From 2016 to 2026.

1:53:24Norfolk spent $900

1:53:30It's a lot of money when

1:53:33But when you break it down,

1:53:35departments in the city

1:53:38over ten years, which

1:53:42a year.

1:53:45And.

1:53:48When you break that down, you

1:53:53spread across seven

1:53:53departments, which

1:53:57$12 million a year.

1:54:00You break it down to the number

1:54:05That's 58,000.

1:54:06That's 12,058,000.

1:54:08That's $1.8

1:54:10$8,000 per youth.

1:54:13But you start out

1:54:16What I'm saying is there need

1:54:17to be some investment

1:54:22Um, not to be racist, but I

1:54:25must speak on race

1:54:30500 black people killed

1:54:34Not one person.

1:54:36Black. Black people have come

1:54:40one white person come and spoke

1:54:42been killed in the

1:54:45How is that

1:54:47our children being killed?

1:54:49Your children are

1:54:52You say nothing as if our

1:54:55But they are.

1:54:58And I'm telling you that

1:55:00we have to invest money into

1:55:05that's where the problem is, is

1:55:11until you put the money to

1:55:15our people out in this city.

1:55:18I hope that you understand

1:55:22$900 million in youth.

1:55:24And that's not a

1:55:2750,000 youth.

1:55:29Divided by that, you got

1:55:33But if if white people were

1:55:36black people are

1:55:37Bridget Toole.

1:55:38You fill the room.

1:55:48Good evening, distinguished

1:55:52Norfolk City Council.

1:55:53You are the finest I am.

1:55:56My name is Bridget Toole.

1:55:58I am in zip code 23502.

1:56:01I am the matriarch of criminal

1:56:08and in reference to what the

1:56:12up here and saying, I believe

1:56:16youth is having is they need

1:56:19they need families, they need

1:56:24have to worry about where

1:56:27They don't have to worry

1:56:29working 2 or 3 jobs, trying to

1:56:34feed their children.

1:56:37This is what our youth needs.

1:56:40And the buck stops with us.

1:56:44It takes a village to

1:56:48Or should I say rear

1:56:50A whole village.

1:56:52One parent can't do it.

1:56:54Two parents can't do it.

1:56:56Everybody in this room, we all

1:56:58have to come together and do it.

1:57:01Because the youth, regardless

1:57:05part of one race and

1:57:09The youth is our future.

1:57:11And in conclusion, years ago I

1:57:16in a jungle and there were

1:57:21was a premonition to me that if

1:57:27one and make sure those

1:57:31can purchase, that they have

1:57:35them support those homes, or

1:57:38encouragement and incentives

1:57:43As a human race, one

1:57:48We will be extinct.

1:57:50So let's make this a city,

1:57:54the leader, the global leader,

1:57:59human race.

1:58:01Thank you.

1:58:01Thank you.

1:58:02Mary. Simpson.

1:58:03Jones.

1:58:06Mary. Mary.

1:58:07Simpson. Jones.

1:58:09Yeah. Hello, Mary.

1:58:12Long time.

1:58:13Yeah.

1:58:26Hello, everyone.

1:58:27Hello, Mary.

1:58:28Good to see you.

1:58:29After two and a half years.

1:58:31Good to see you.

1:58:32Um, I'm here tonight to speak

1:58:38Sewell's Point Road.

1:58:41That flea market got

1:58:44The flea market on

1:58:48We have a person that come to

1:58:50Civic League

1:58:52And Miss Johnson, even when

1:58:55flea market, had a cooking food

1:59:00come there, they

1:59:04Well you can't even

1:59:06And at the end of the day

1:59:10someone's else yard.

1:59:12Oakwood was never

1:59:15And if you say anything to the

1:59:20this is my land.

1:59:21Go!

1:59:23And it's horrible.

1:59:25I know when I was having

1:59:27I went in his, uh, into the

1:59:34And I asked him, could it be

1:59:38those tables accordingly so

1:59:42He told me, get out of there.

1:59:44Get out.

1:59:46So what I did, I called the

1:59:51Those are tables and chairs

1:59:57Also with the new, uh, Evelyn.

2:00:00But stop, you know, or at

2:00:05to be.

2:00:06If some of you all can remember

2:00:09is, or up that way they have a

2:00:12button for you to

2:00:15I hope I walked up there this

2:00:19traffic that that can

2:00:24Is it one year and a half now

2:00:28that that could be included in,

2:00:34getting cross the street

2:00:36during a certain

2:00:38Other than that,

2:00:41Take care.

2:00:42Thank you.

2:00:42Mayor.

2:00:47Clerk.

2:00:52Clerk.

2:00:58Reverend. Doctor.

2:00:59Lord. Nigella.

2:01:06Al. Davis.

2:01:14Mary Anna white.

2:01:26Good evening, Honorable

2:01:28And honorable members of the

2:01:32I'm Mary Anna White.

2:01:33I live at 600 North

2:01:36Newly retired teacher.

2:01:37Um, please do not tear down any

2:01:43at Young Terrace

2:01:46In this time.

2:01:50In this time of economic

2:01:54anyone else over the

2:01:58Please put a pause on these

2:02:00projects until the

2:02:03We are concerned about the

2:02:05citizens, and not being able

2:02:09one's head is a major cause

2:02:14Please be compassionate and

2:02:18rising costs on so many

2:02:22insurance, insurance, etc.,

2:02:25people's homes away from them.

2:02:27When we know that there are not

2:02:30can afford to rent or live.

2:02:32Thank you for listening.

2:02:34I know that you have a lot of

2:02:37is critical for the

2:02:42I appreciate all the work that

2:02:44Services Board and the Housing

2:02:48to give the number

2:02:534202.

2:02:55So I have handouts if anybody

2:02:57needs to take a

2:02:59Again, please put at minimum a

2:03:05any public housing.

2:03:07Thank you.

2:03:08This is critical.

2:03:18To. Your last letter will be

2:03:59Good evening, mayor and Council.

2:04:02Youth activities are limited

2:04:05I'm aware that the city is a

2:04:10I'm aware that the city

2:04:13care activities.

2:04:15I'm aware of the Boys and Girls

2:04:18with a purpose.

2:04:19However, I don't think the

2:04:22for the City of Norfolk.

2:04:24I propose that the city

2:04:27that is owned by the city

2:04:32The teen center will be for

2:04:37a variety of things in

2:04:41education, sexuality, careers,

2:04:45credit, building, personal

2:04:48education, college Trades,

2:04:51friendships, healthy

2:04:54prescription and recreational

2:04:57intimidation, conflict

2:05:01communication skills, gun

2:05:04solving, skills, literacy,

2:05:07and business ownership and

2:05:11digital currency, digital

2:05:14appropriate field trips

2:05:17So I'm aware that the

2:05:20I am asking our leadership to

2:05:25teens of Norfolk.

2:05:26I am asking leadership to

2:05:30the kids are our future, and

2:05:33Quite frankly.

2:05:34And if we can't address

2:05:37Because these are the same kids

2:05:40care of us when we get old in

2:05:43like the way that

2:05:45And so with that being the case

2:05:48only quote unquote safe place

2:05:51And lately the schools ain't

2:05:54So we need to create a whole

2:05:58to address all of these issues.

2:06:00Yes, it does start at home,

2:06:04community for them because

2:06:05mentally they are not surviving.

2:06:07They are drowning, which is the

2:06:10kill one another.

2:06:11And this problem

2:06:13You're tired of

2:06:15Yeah. Me too.

2:06:16You're tired of all

2:06:18Yeah. Me too.

2:06:18You're tired of all the teens

2:06:20dying in the middle

2:06:21Yeah. Me too.

2:06:22So this is what we

2:06:25Creating a space

2:06:27And especially given the

2:06:31they're currently going through

2:06:33whole nother mental

2:06:35But these are just my

2:06:39all of our kids

2:06:41It's not about race.

2:06:42It is not about wealth.

2:06:44It is about the sustainability

2:06:48So thank you for your time

2:06:52because it is important to me.

2:06:54Other appropriate leadership.

2:06:55Please reach out and if you are

2:06:58call me.

2:06:59Everybody has my information.

2:07:00Thank you.

2:07:10Sonya Johnson will be

2:07:17Greetings all.

2:07:19I want to start by giving a

2:07:24Public works, I think, um,

2:07:27street sweeping crew,

2:07:31Lawrence, Amy and James.

2:07:33Because every weekend

2:07:36They were out there monitoring

2:07:39Um, Bravo Zulu, especially to

2:07:42of my prior military days where

2:07:47C2's made their launches so

2:07:52the totem.

2:07:53Okay, so I want to talk

2:07:58Last year, what?

2:08:00Actually, for two years in

2:08:02households blatantly

2:08:06Uh, they were selling them in

2:08:12and in front of the sheriff and

2:08:18Uh, several City of Norfolk

2:08:22and high on the step were

2:08:23notified of this even last year.

2:08:25We want to thank you for the

2:08:28last year we did not have

2:08:31day or Friday for

2:08:35Uh, okay.

2:08:37So we want more

2:08:40monitoring of the

2:08:44For example, if there were

2:08:46handicapped placard in the

2:08:49that would, uh,

2:08:54So we would like that same

2:08:57comes to the visitor's passes.

2:08:59If they're altered, that

2:09:02When it comes to parking on

2:09:05the green space, Madison Avenue

2:09:10had a hard time, very intense

2:09:17normal drop off drop off spot.

2:09:19Now, I can only imagine how

2:09:23vehicles would have trying

2:09:26I have video of that and I'll

2:09:32comes to trash.

2:09:34Uh, we picked up some bags

2:09:38today, but anyway,

2:09:42Uh, yeah.

2:09:43So that's it.

2:09:44Thank you.

2:09:45Thank you.

2:09:46Gabe. Harold.

2:09:47Followed by Henry Reed.

2:09:56Hello, Council.

2:09:58I'm speaking to all of you here.

2:10:00Um, tonight I am

2:10:05Uh, ecocide is the intentional

2:10:09to the detriment of life.

2:10:12Um, I emailed my two council

2:10:14people, um, Jeremy and Courtney.

2:10:15Courtney. Thank you.

2:10:17Responding. Jeremy, I know you

2:10:19um, so I looked at Norfolk's

2:10:24and I saw a lot of the word,

2:10:26uh, the C word, uh, all over it.

2:10:29And it was the word

2:10:32We should consider

2:10:35mitigating flood.

2:10:36We should consider planting

2:10:40a flotilla.

2:10:41That was interesting.

2:10:42Uh, we should consider many

2:10:46about any type of action.

2:10:48And the reason that I emailed

2:10:50when I went out for a jog,

2:10:55neighborhood and I came across

2:10:59been cut down, uh, at

2:11:05And, uh, here's

2:11:08There's a lot of people here

2:11:09talking about

2:11:11There's a lot of people

2:11:14I'm also talking about flock.

2:11:16Take them down for the

2:11:20Uh, but aside from that,

2:11:22Norfolk is going

2:11:26of sea level rise by 2050,

2:11:31portion of everything that

2:11:33the short term rentals

2:11:37So my question is, for a city

2:11:41why are we policing

2:11:45disproportionate,

2:11:50instead of coming up with a

2:11:54going to take the entire city

2:11:58The Atlantic Meridional

2:12:02to collapse within

2:12:04Everybody loves fall, right?

2:12:06We all love the crisp air and

2:12:08we're not going to get that

2:12:10we know them are

2:12:12The water is going to rise.

2:12:14We are going to have air

2:12:18have to mask.

2:12:19We're not going to be

2:12:21We're not going to be

2:12:23We're not with the whole

2:12:26And instead of focusing on

2:12:29hours in this meeting tonight

2:12:31landlord can profit off of

2:12:36needs to have over their head.

2:12:38So also landlords, you can

2:12:40kindly, uh, go

2:12:43Uh, and, uh, only landlords

2:12:48Great class traders, some

2:12:51heroes of mine said that, uh,

2:12:56to us, and have a great

2:13:06Henry Reed.

2:13:08Henry Reed.

2:13:15Hardin.

2:13:29Wow. Look at all those people.

2:13:31Uh, so after after you

2:13:35Can you can you please sit?

2:13:36We have some people in

2:13:38So thank you for standing.

2:13:39But now, will you please, if

2:13:42that others can see?

2:13:43Thank you.

2:13:44Thank you.

2:13:51All right.

2:13:52Good evening, Mayor Cooper

2:13:54As people involved in politics,

2:13:57the concept of an

2:13:59But for those among us here

2:14:03minute news event that's

2:14:06shortly before an election that

2:14:08said election.

2:14:10With that said, several of you

2:14:13this November and one of the

2:14:15city that you could change your

2:14:18improve your chances of

2:14:21slot cameras and Upper Alpers.

2:14:23You all could easily join the

2:14:26all over Virginia, such as

2:14:29Harrisonburg, who are canceling

2:14:33other Alpr companies.

2:14:35The choice is yours.

2:14:36Either y'all can end these

2:14:39watch as your political

2:14:41voted out of office or going

2:14:43of Norfolk.

2:14:44No matter how no matter how

2:14:48next month, the people of

2:14:50until our demands are met.

2:14:51As you can see from the size

2:14:55this meeting and with how many

2:14:57topic in here today, this is a

2:15:00topic that greatly

2:15:02The choice is up to y'all to

2:15:05your careers.

2:15:07Furthermore,

2:15:09speaking back on some things

2:15:12of this meeting about FLoC

2:15:16It's dragnet surveillance

2:15:20vulnerable people

2:15:22Most FLoC cameras are

2:15:25Where people who are overly.

2:15:28Police live,

2:15:30and I personally think it's

2:15:34people who have been

2:15:37justify this overreach

2:15:41It's the same rationale that

2:15:46know, using using the names of

2:15:49justify the Patriot Act.

2:15:50And I think it is just

2:15:52disgusting to use

2:15:54Thank you.

2:15:54Thank you for listening.

2:15:55Shame on you if you

2:15:58Have a nice evening.

2:16:01Raymond.

2:16:06Raymond.

2:16:08Raymond.

2:16:10Raymond. Malone.

2:16:13Samuel. Wallace.

2:16:16Samuel Wallace will be

2:16:23Councilors. I've been coming

2:16:26long time now.

2:16:27Most of this year I have never

2:16:32do now.

2:16:34Mr. mayor talks about respect.

2:16:36Is this what the Council

2:16:38considers being

2:16:41I would love to respond to Mr.

2:16:44him, my timer is running.

2:16:47Unequal representation,

2:16:50unequal rules.

2:16:52Would a fitting accompaniment

2:16:55Flocke supports.

2:16:58Are we here to talk to you?

2:16:59Councilors talk with you, or

2:17:03What was this intended

2:17:06Because to me, all it has done

2:17:10that the Council does not

2:17:13up and is interested

2:17:16Do you think you've

2:17:18You haven't.

2:17:20This farce of civic

2:17:25All it shows is that the

2:17:29manufacture consent.

2:17:32We are not fooled.

2:17:34We are not mollified.

2:17:35We're not going to shut up.

2:17:37And I'd love to speak at length

2:17:39like Mr. Fattahi

2:17:42Instead, I'll just say this.

2:17:44People are watching.

2:17:46They are not impressed.

2:17:48They will join us.

2:17:49Denying us a seat at the table

2:17:53time, your reputation, your

2:17:56legitimacy, and

2:18:00Now, since we last spoke, a

2:18:05Henrico County voted to

2:18:09Richmond's mayor said that they

2:18:14then promised about a week

2:18:19That wave is coming here, too.

2:18:22What we're demanding

2:18:25What we want is to be able to

2:18:31with you that certain people

2:18:35We want a town hall.

2:18:37We want a review of the

2:18:41say in how our city is run

2:18:45Thank you.

2:19:04Good evening Council.

2:19:05My name is Alex O'Loughlin.

2:19:06I'm born and raised in Norfolk.

2:19:07I live in Park Place.

2:19:08I appreciate the city

2:19:11Um, you know, I'm pleased to

2:19:13Uh, finally, I'm excited

2:19:16Um, I think it's a good step.

2:19:18I do think it fails to address

2:19:21I also appreciate the

2:19:23coming out to voice his stance,

2:19:26to conduct police work

2:19:29constitutional rights.

2:19:33You know, for the past eight

2:19:35coming here to speak

2:19:37For eight months we tried to

2:19:39angles new data, new

2:19:41We've covered the contract, all

2:19:44data licensing agreement,

2:19:46Uh, eight months

2:19:48Yet here we are.

2:19:49New business.

2:19:51Um. Meanwhile, the system

2:19:54Law abiding citizens,

2:19:56investigated for anything

2:19:58processed, and made searchable

2:20:01Norfolk and beyond.

2:20:02We're assured Norfolk

2:20:06We're sure we're reassured that

2:20:08in the long list of documented

2:20:11But we're offered no real

2:20:14The public deserves better.

2:20:15I mean, their money pays

2:20:18You know, look around this room.

2:20:19I mean, every person here had

2:20:22They left work early.

2:20:23They found childcare.

2:20:24They caught the bus.

2:20:25They drove here and drove

2:20:27I heard some of the handicapped

2:20:30They came today as one group.

2:20:31In order to demonstrate to you

2:20:34We're tired of having our

2:20:37company with no public

2:20:39having their Fourth Amendment

2:20:42You know, I mean, we've heard

2:20:44that I think would

2:20:46Somebody spoke about

2:20:49We've heard multiple people

2:20:50talk about about

2:20:52And I know where you can find

2:21:10Jasmine bin.

2:21:14I haven't heard them.

2:21:15Jasmine. Fin, please

2:21:18Please talk into the mic

2:21:21Hi, my name is Jasmine Finn.

2:21:23I'm here today to oppose

2:21:25flock cameras.

2:21:27Flock claims that Alpers are

2:21:30reported crime in the US.

2:21:32But have you ever asked how

2:21:33they actually get these numbers?

2:21:34The study was conducted by two

2:21:37only two academic researchers,

2:21:41of the methods used by the

2:21:44information was, quote, too

2:21:47meaningful statistical analysis.

2:21:49The study has been heavily

2:21:52many regarding the study

2:21:54Flock claims much of the crime

2:21:57actually thanks to them.

2:21:59If we can't even trust flock to

2:22:02their own data, how

2:22:04With the private data of

2:22:07Norfolk residents, when

2:22:11annually, for a total of nearly

2:22:15expect more tangible returns?

2:22:16Why has there been such a stark

2:22:19when mass surveillance is

2:22:20supposedly preventing

2:22:22Instead, flock is being used to

2:22:25track people who have

2:22:27You don't even need a warrant

2:22:30In Wichita, Kansas, a

2:22:32using flock cameras to stalk

2:22:36County, Texas.

2:22:37An officer was charged with

2:22:40flock database to stalk not

2:22:43also her family members and

2:22:47A Texas deputy searched 83,000

2:22:51woman who had an abortion.

2:22:53The search spanned 6809

2:22:57states where abortion

2:23:00Flock isn't secure either.

2:23:02It's already been hacked

2:23:04information being

2:23:07It was stated that flock

2:23:11I ask you to look into the

2:23:14She's a woman in Florida.

2:23:15She was jailed for 13 days for

2:23:18with, because phlox AI

2:23:22A recent study by Christopher

2:23:25Alpr deployment is deeply and

2:23:29economically stratified, with

2:23:32poverty neighborhoods bearing a

2:23:35surveillance infrastructure

2:23:38There are dozens upon dozens

2:23:41FLoC doesn't prevent anywhere

2:23:44the financial cost.

2:23:46How many women and families who

2:23:48to be sacrificed to build a

2:23:49privatized surveillance network?

2:23:51Why should I have to worry

2:23:54stalking me and my family for

2:23:55daring to visit the

2:23:57Mass surveillance doesn't

2:23:59And so I ask, do any of us have

2:24:03privacy or privacy?

2:24:04A fading relic of a bygone era?

2:24:06Thank you.

2:24:07Thank you.

2:24:20Sara. Sara.

2:24:38Hi. Hello again.

2:24:39My name is Sara Charles.

2:24:40I live at 1006 Main Street.

2:24:43I had a speech prepared that

2:24:48opening comments at the

2:24:50I could barely hear out there.

2:24:51But I have to say, using a

2:24:54street crime as

2:25:00A Soviet era Russia level.

2:25:01Ridiculous. I cannot believe I

2:25:04have come here with

2:25:05I came here with data.

2:25:07I have

2:25:09Followed with the Jimmy Stewart

2:25:13raised with.

2:25:15For you to tell me that at the

2:25:16City Council meeting

2:25:19You have made me and my

2:25:22Girls for a corporation

2:25:25Are you going to pay me because

2:25:30I cannot believe that you would

2:25:33tactic among in 2026.

2:25:37That is so insulting.

2:25:39I, I was assuming we were

2:25:42respect and I, I guess

2:25:46I would say thank you for your

2:25:49be useful.

2:25:50Thank you.

2:25:51Thank you.