2026-10-08 - Planning Commission Public Hearing

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02:29May we have the roll, please?

02:31Doctor Whibley, I note

02:34Mr. Wells?

02:36Yes. Note Mr.

02:38Mr. Bateman and Miss Sutter.

02:40I am here.

02:42Okay. Before taking up the

02:45have one continuance.

02:47The following item is to be

02:502026 public Hearing agenda to

02:53the October 22nd,

02:56And that's regular

02:58Dutch brothers coffee

03:00Permit to operate a drive thru

03:04East Little Creek Road.

03:05So the motion would be to

03:0822nd public hearing.

03:11Um.

03:13Here we go.

03:15Uh, Doctor Whibley, Mr. Wells,

03:18Mr. Bateman and Mr. A.

03:21Okay. All right.

03:23And then we are going to vote

03:25on in a block our

03:29And that contains um two, three,

03:35four items.

03:36So we've got 2200 Norview

03:39item, uh, for the Norfolk

03:42We've got Vaso wine social for

03:47Granby Street, uh, LLC.

03:49And that is for conditional use

03:52Uh, and then the final one

03:56conditional use permit

03:59So that will be on a consent.

04:01And these are all to recommend

04:04conditions contained

04:06Uh, doctor a Mr. Wells.

04:10Mr. Bateman and Miss Sudduth, I.

04:12Okay, so now to the first

04:19Is direction for the following

04:22Uh, at 9665 First View Street.

04:26211 West Ocean View Avenue

04:30A a restaurant with the sale of

04:32alcoholic beverages on premises.

04:34B sale of alcoholic beverages,

04:35off premise and C

04:37The purpose of these requests

04:40restaurant to modify the hours

04:41of operation and

04:43Thank you Susan.

04:44Good afternoon commissioners.

04:45The site is located in

04:47southwest corner of First View

04:49Avenue in the Ocean

04:52The proposed use is consistent

04:55designates the

04:56Mixed use or commercial

04:59Property is zoned

05:02In this district.

05:03You need a conditional use

05:04beverages for on premises

05:07to sell alcohol for off

05:09provide live entertainment.

05:11This is a picture of the site.

05:13The applicant obtained

05:15of 2024 to operate a restaurant

05:18live entertainment, as we

05:20entertainment

05:21They expire automatically

05:24Um. The applicant was made

05:27were expired and has been

05:29get their reapplication in.

05:31During the two years that they

05:32were open, we did

05:34Sorry. In the two

05:37conditional use permit was

05:39calls to the police nor

05:41to the city.

05:45This is the floor plan.

05:46Uh, the modification to this

05:49is that they're adding a dance

05:52is outlined in yellow.

05:56So there are some changes since

06:00previously, mostly to reflect

06:05and the building owner and the

06:07businesses that are

06:09So the applicant has agreed

06:12earlier than 7 p.m..

06:14And they've proposed to remove

06:17their outdoor dining area.

06:20Um, there are some slight

06:21changes to the

06:23Previously it was 7 a.m.

06:24to 11 p.m., seven days a week.

06:26And then New Year's Eve and

06:29until 1 a.m..

06:30The proposal now is 9 a.m.

06:32to 11 p.m.

06:34Monday through Friday, which

06:36hours and 7 a.m.

06:37to 11 p.m.

06:38Saturday and Sunday.

06:39Um, New Year's Eve and the

06:42um, those 12th to the 15th

06:46I know.

06:48Um, that is to reflect the

06:51that they have

06:54They're not entirely sure which

06:58Um, that's that's

07:00They may try to.

07:01I couldn't personally think of

07:04don't know, because they don't

07:06going to be.

07:08Um, so the applicant may come

07:11see if there's any way we can

07:15or third Saturday of December

07:20Um, but it was,

07:22it was very hard to try to

07:24And that was my, that

07:25And I didn't feel like it was

07:28point either.

07:29Um, so the hours for live

07:31previously, was 7 to

07:34And until 1 a.m.

07:35on New Year's Eve in those

07:37proposing as an accommodation

07:40agreement with the property

07:42entertainment no

07:44until 11 p.m.,

07:46Their capacity is not changing.

07:47They still have 170 78 seats

07:50a total capacity of 299.

07:52And the only entertainment

07:55live band and karaoke.

07:57Staff is recommending

07:59The proposed use

08:01The building is in a key

08:02commercial hub in

08:05The applicant is operated for

08:08again, the conditions in the

08:11sound outdoors and the live

08:13before 7 p.m..

08:15Any questions?

08:17Any questions?

08:18Mr. Robb no expiration.

08:20Going forward.

08:21Okay.

08:24We do have the applicant here.

08:26Um, Raquel Bonilla, would

08:31The only thing.

08:32Well, no.

08:33If you want to speak,

08:41Miss Bonilla, if you would

08:44your address.

08:46My name is Raquel Rivera.

08:47Bonilla, 3950 Short Drive,

08:51Thank you.

08:52Yeah. Um, the only thing that

08:57the dates of the the dates for

09:01exactly, but it usually is on

09:04Um that we try to do

09:07Depends um of our staff.

09:10Uh, everybody can be there.

09:11That's it.

09:14And the way it's worded in the

09:17think that would be, it might

09:21you say that's satisfactory to

09:24that time frame.

09:25When when I put it according

09:28started two years ago and it

09:31followed on that

09:33So that's why I put the

09:35But then after that, I

09:40So that's the only

09:42What specific those dates

09:46Mhm. But do you

09:49Um,

09:51I put some dates.

09:53Um, I think it's from the

09:5514, the other papers.

09:58I know it's not going to be

10:01not going to be before the.

10:0214 so it's between those days.

10:07Would you mind saying

10:09Um I put it any day from

10:13month.

10:14And that's monthly.

10:15No, that's just

10:18Okay.

10:19We usually do

10:22I'm sorry.

10:25We just play music once a month.

10:29At the end of the year party.

10:31Yeah. Usually happens that

10:34that date changes every year.

10:36And so we're trying to

10:39Do we have any suggestions of.

10:41What that and it's

10:42Yeah, it's a one time event.

10:44It's just one day that we pick

10:46want to do it on a Sunday.

10:48If the.

10:49My employees cannot

10:51You know, because they

10:53So we try to do it the day

10:55The same.

10:57Perhaps just.

10:58And we put all the

10:59Fourth week of the month.

11:01I don't know if that

11:04I'm looking at.

11:05Mr..

11:05Is it on the weekend?

11:07Yeah, it's on the

11:09It's from the third

11:11Usually runs from

11:15December.

11:16I thought it was a one day.

11:17It's a one day, but it runs a

11:19day on that third

11:21At some point during

11:24Exactly.

11:24And so can we just.

11:25Say.

11:26The third week of.

11:27Yeah. Yeah.

11:28And I put it on the December

11:32have everybody together.

11:33Did I hear one day

11:36One day during the third week.

11:37Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

11:40One day, third week.

11:43Okay. Teamwork makes

11:46Thank you.

11:47Did you want to

11:48Does anyone have any

11:53Okay. Thank you very much.

11:54We do have someone who is here

11:57to hear from them, and then

12:00Okay. Um, we do have

12:03Miss Lakia.

12:04Medium. I'm sorry.

12:06Medium. Did I pronounce

12:08Thank you.

12:10Um, I'm going to read off this

12:13You go right.

12:14Ahead.

12:15I will begin with your

12:17And you do have three minutes.

12:18Yes, ma'am.

12:20Um, my address is 519 West

12:24owner of Oceanview Yoga, which

12:27of the building where Derek

12:29And I'm here today because I

12:32the proposed changes on the

12:35building is fully understood.

12:37I started my business three

12:40operation in, um, below us.

12:44First, I want to say that I

12:46have been made to the proposal.

12:47In particular, the removal

12:50extremely important to us,

12:53owner advocating

12:55I also appreciate the

12:58entertainment will not begin

13:02as well as a discussion about

13:05four feet below the ceiling.

13:07However, I want to explain why

13:10they don't completely address

13:13This is not a typical noise

13:16about sound coming from the

13:20or occasional loud noises.

13:21Outside Ocean View Yoga and the

13:26the restaurant.

13:27Um, the sound and vibration

13:31travel through the building and

13:34for a yoga studio.

13:35This can be

13:37I'm sure, as you can imagine,

13:40clients, meditation, other

13:43a peaceful environment.

13:45We have experienced situations

13:48have been.

13:49Um have already interrupted

13:52Um, and we didn't report them

13:56didn't seem appropriate.

13:58So I would contact my landlord

14:01Derrick and Chef.

14:03And so as I've communicated

14:06landlord and directly to

14:09Often the volume can be turned

14:13be adjusted after the

14:15So imagine you're

14:17It's shavasana, it's quiet

14:20there, and all of a sudden

14:23people just being joyful and

14:28you know, to celebrate,

14:30But and I let her know and they

14:33but it's already

14:34So I've had significant loss of

14:37due to this.

14:38This is why I'm asking the

14:41mitigation before disruption

14:44physical sound mitigation

14:46business of businesses above,

14:50installation, installation or a

14:53sound barrier of some some sort.

14:56Um, just so that the problem

14:57can be just completely resolved.

15:00Because I do like the

15:02I like the people who run it.

15:04Um, I would like to see that

15:07before they get earlier hours.

15:10My other major concern is the

15:13particularly opening at 7 a.m.

15:15I see that they've

15:17that is an improvement.

15:18Eurekan currently

15:20and because of the noise we

15:23shifted our private clients and

15:27could to those morning hours.

15:29Um, I think.

15:31Your three minutes are up, but

15:36um, no pun intended, but it

15:38sounds like this

15:42It is.

15:43It is and it isn't.

15:44It's just the sound barrier

15:49things that they've

15:50It could work, but there's

15:54And we have a major

15:56There's just too many

15:57parking spots.

15:58And that was what I was going

16:00major problems with the

16:04parking, and all the businesses

16:07on that block are

16:10So I was asking for

16:12Thank you.

16:13Thank you very much.

16:14Now I'm going.

16:15Don't go far.

16:16Um, I am going to ask Miss

16:20and maybe we could address, um,

16:26And then.

16:28And I would like a

16:30So then I can plan for when.

16:32Okay. Hold on, hold on.

16:33Because we're going to do this

16:35down for a moment, and then

16:38This is the rebuttal phase.

16:39Okay, we have five minutes.

16:41Okay. So would you be able to

16:46about the.

16:47Yeah, we already talked with

16:49took all the speakers outside,

16:53we took the bongos away

16:55So no more bongos.

16:57No more, no more decoration

16:59walking in and, you know,

17:03Uh, so we just removed

17:06Okay.

17:07But she called me the other day.

17:07I'm like the bongos.

17:08I'm like, and opening earlier,

17:12to do some brunch in the

17:15It's just breakfast.

17:17Okay.

17:18And two days a week.

17:20And Miss Meghan was asking

17:23insulate the remaining noise,

17:28the yoga practice.

17:29I think the windows have

17:32They're very thin

17:34Yes.

17:35Mhm.

17:36Because sometimes you

17:38On her wrestling

17:40place.

17:45So that's the landlord thing?

17:49Yeah.

17:51It would seem.

17:53But I did everything

17:55I put it down.

17:57Um, and I did it

18:01And also actually also they

18:05an event to let her

18:08So that was also something

18:11So it sounds like we can

18:14Yeah.

18:16It sounds like you two have

18:18you can speak to each other and

18:22But again, the disruption of

18:26studio is doing in order to ask

18:31you see how that could be

18:35Um, do you see how it

18:39she has to stop what she's

18:44call, or come downstairs

18:47It's like a stop.

18:48And then you start, and then

18:50If you think weeks ago, I

18:54employee and they go in the

18:56the music up and I told them.

18:58So we put a

19:00a line that they cannot move

19:04they cannot play the music

19:08So that's on the speaker

19:12That's on the main panel

19:17Uh, Doctor Webley just said

19:20something that you need to

19:22as well, because they make

19:25can install across the ceiling.

19:28And I don't know if

19:30Yeah, we put something, but I

19:33like a powder big thing

19:36Yeah, that we put in there, but

19:39be enough.

19:40But it's the noise that's these

19:44Um it's a common thing in any,

19:48especially when you have

19:50lot of customers talking.

19:51It can be the noise level just

19:55Okay.

19:56Yeah. For the morning

19:57It's just for having a

20:00you know.

20:01Morning.

20:02Uh, and then

20:04if we can talk to each other

20:08for the whole month,

20:11Yeah. Because I turn a lot

20:15stuff like that because

20:17So.

20:19Okay.

20:20Thank you for.

20:21That.

20:21Okay.

20:22Do you want to add anything

20:22before you go back to your seat?

20:24Thank you very

20:28And again, we're in our

20:31Yes.

20:33So I would I would say I'm I'm

20:37being there at the same time.

20:39I do not know their schedule

20:42That would be delightful.

20:43That was something I.

20:45I communicated with them before

20:47Um, but I've never

20:50What I receive is loud parties.

20:53Whenever there's never dates on

20:57on it.

20:58They'll have a baby shower,

21:00is great.

21:01I want them to be

21:02But when I have a massage

21:06someone's paying, you know,

21:10you know, balancing

21:12And there's loud,

21:15And I do know that they're

21:19sound barrier was something I

21:23it even opened.

21:25There was a very small amount

21:28sprayed on the ceiling, and

21:31are fully exposed.

21:32That's not enough for

21:34So what I'm asking is if they

21:38earlier, can we wait?

21:40You know, I don't know if

21:42another time or to see how this

21:46done, how it goes forward

21:49they're having huge events.

21:52It is not something that I've

21:55moving forward.

21:56This isn't a new sound problem.

21:58This has been from jump.

22:00I mean, it was about a year of

22:01construction noise

22:04But since it's been opened, I

22:05mean, I've had a

22:07Just stop.

22:08I have letters, I

22:10I just didn't know where

22:12Um, and I know that

22:15We're trying.

22:15We want to make it work.

22:17But for me, I'm the only one

22:20in opposition.

22:21And of course, I think that

22:24some way.

22:24But I don't think the

22:25landlord's going to

22:27I would like for them to, to

22:31to, to help.

22:32so we can just both be in

22:34business and help

22:36But I went in there when there

22:38I worked really hard.

22:40And we're a small business and

22:42out of business if it continues

22:46there's no space for

22:48So my first class

22:51I don't want to have to do

22:53but I have to write.

22:55And so that's 630 to 11 a.m.

22:58is kind of where I where that's

23:00at this point.

23:01Um, and I have to stop

23:04because after that point,

23:06There's just no way.

23:07So having live music and a

23:10things before 7 p.m.

23:11would just be way too much.

23:13And the parking and defined

23:17great, but I'm not opposed.

23:18I think that they're

23:20I want them to succeed.

23:21I also want to succeed.

23:22I feel like this.

23:24Is the challenge with all

23:26to coexist in a way where

23:30what they want.

23:31I think that in this situation,

23:34trying really hard

23:36I really do encourage you to

23:38invite your landlord

23:41Um, I think maybe between the

23:44to come up with solutions.

23:46Um, but I also, you know,

23:50of having these shared spaces.

23:53Yeah.

23:54I mean, myself and the art

23:58with no, no, no, no

24:01And I do understand that

24:05this is like the floor up.

24:06People lay on the floor and

24:10that I existed there.

24:11So it's like it's just a

24:15I thought it was.

24:16Because when we first met, they

24:18their quieter

24:20And I mean, I can only imagine

24:23I mean, we can't even

24:25Like it's a major parking.

24:27The way that it's said that

24:30They allowed the entire parking

24:34just for their for them.

24:37So it doesn't seem like that

24:40anyone because that's just not

24:44the businesses on that block,

24:47front street and like just a

24:49small amount of

24:51So yeah.

24:52Understood. And I thank you.

24:54Oh, understood.

24:55But I do believe, and I'm

24:59sounds like we're willing to

25:01other so that we can

25:06Okay. Um, highly encourage that.

25:09And it sounds like

25:12which are fun, but also.

25:17Yeah.

25:18And then maybe at some point,

25:21amongst each other and figure

25:23I think it's important to bring

25:27do we got looks of knowing, but

25:31Thank you very much.

25:33Commissioners, any questions or

25:36comments before we go to a vote?

25:42I think we're ready.

25:43The emotion.

25:44I'm sorry.

25:45Sorry.

25:45Did I miss.

25:46Something to make a motion to?

25:47No, I'll include it.

25:48Oh, okay.

25:49The motion is to recommend

25:52permit with the modified

25:56the week, the third week of

26:00allowed to have staff events.

26:03Okay. Um.

26:05Until 1 a.m..

26:06To 1 a.m..

26:07Yeah. It says that in there.

26:08Doctor Whibley I

26:11Mr. Wells.

26:12I.

26:14Mr. bateman and Mr..

26:16I will make that

26:18Thank you all very

26:20Okay.

26:21Item number two boss Queen

26:24conditional use permits at 5802

26:28suite 140 A live

26:30Sale of alcoholic

26:32The purpose of this request is

26:35to operate with the sale

26:37consumption and modified

26:40Thanks, Susan.

26:42This site is located in the

26:44side of North Military Highway

26:47Queen Soul Cafe since 2022.

26:50Puzzle is consistent with Nphc

26:53as a regional activity center

26:54where commercial

26:56Properties on C are regional.

26:58Commercial. In this district,

27:00permit to have live

27:02alcoholic beverages for on

27:02premises consumption

27:05Here's a picture of the site.

27:07The applicant operated a got

27:12to operate a restaurant with

27:14jockey or a dance floor,

27:17The cup expired in September

27:21citywide enforcement inspection.

27:22The applicant was issued a

27:25operating without an approved

27:28During that time, we also found

27:30that the applicant

27:35Uh, deejays when she was not

27:38previous conditional use permit

27:43call them third party promoters

27:45selling tickets to events at

27:47charge from someone who.

27:49And that's allowed, but it

27:51establishment doing that, not

27:53the third party

27:57Uh, so they are now requesting

28:02They're they're requesting a DJ.

28:04And the change to the floor

28:07Whenever there's a DJ,

28:09Um, because inevitably what

28:12there's DJ, if there's no

28:14move the tables and chairs to

28:16end up blocking the fire

28:18life safety issue.

28:20So that's why we required a

28:23a DJ.

28:25So this is their dance floor,

28:28And this is they're more

28:29they're more lounge

28:32So currently they're open

28:35Thursday and 11 to midnight

28:38If they have a DJ and kept

28:40classified as a nightclub

28:42So the applicant is modifying

28:45be 11 a.m.

28:45to 11 p.m., seven days a week.

28:48Um, that no one who's operating

28:51nightclub designation.

28:53So that's usually the request

28:5511 or it'd be midnight

28:58their capacity has

29:00Um, just with the modifications

29:03dance floor.

29:04Um, it's 147 seats indoors

29:09And their entertainment

29:11Just again, with the addition

29:14karaoke comedian

29:17Um staff is

29:19The use does conform with NFPA

29:22a large shopping center

29:24However, since the applicant

29:28conditional use permit from

29:32entertainment options is

29:34Especially the DJ is a huge

29:36concern for the city

29:38In our experience, DJ is a

29:41live band.

29:42So with the no operating with

29:46think a two year expiration is

29:48appropriate for

29:49So that is one of the

29:51by for any questions.

29:53Any questions for Roger.

29:55Thank you.

29:56We do have the applicant

29:58Would you like to add

30:01Please come up.

30:02And if you will start with

30:09Good afternoon.

30:11My name is Tennille Moorings.

30:13My address of the business,

30:17Boulevard, suite 140,

30:22Um, thank you for

30:24Um.

30:27We've operated since 2022,

30:32being a lounge, having live

30:36staple in the community that

30:40lounge vibes.

30:42Um, and upon originally coming

30:47this type of entertainment and

30:51really what the city

30:53Um, we've done a really, really

30:57the community, um, embracing,

30:59um, our leaders

31:02Um, we host, uh, the Democratic

31:07every month.

31:08A lot of influential people

31:11place for the community.

31:13Um, and we've not

31:16Um, we've never had, um,

31:21people that play at the venue,

31:28us contracting with you.

31:29If you play at the venue,

31:32show everyone that you'll be

31:34there to entice

31:36Um, so no standalone, uh,

31:40building to anyone ever

31:44Um, and I'm hoping that with,

31:50to do more of that.

31:51Um, our DJ's mostly do karaoke.

31:54Um, they've always done karaoke.

31:56The kids come out.

31:57It's a really good fun time.

31:58We've not experienced any

32:00calls, if anything, sometimes

32:03come in and do karaoke with us.

32:05So it's a really good time.

32:07Um, and I'm hopeful that we can

32:10like we have thus far.

32:12Thank you very

32:14Any questions for miss.

32:16I mispronounced it Maureen.

32:17Maureen. Maureen.

32:19Maureen. Maureen.

32:19Thank you.

32:20Any questions for Miss Moorings?

32:24Thank you very much.

32:25Thank you.

32:26Any discussion or questions

32:32I think we're ready.

32:33The motion is to recommend

32:35permits, subject to the

32:37staff report.

32:38Doctor Whibley I, Mr. Wells,

32:43I will make that

32:45Thank you for coming out.

32:47Okay. Item number three, Martin

32:50conditional use permits at 5700

32:53A a restaurant with

32:54B live entertainment.

32:56C the sale of alcoholic

32:58The purpose of this request

33:00extended hours, live

33:03alcohol for on

33:05Good afternoon.

33:06Site is located northeast

33:08Highway and East

33:10Uh. Existing conditions are

33:12allow restaurant with extended

33:15the sale of alcoholic beverages

33:17Uh, you may remember

33:19They received a CEP

33:21Um, one of the two original

33:25one original business owner

33:28change in ownership.

33:29Uh, there are no proposed

33:32earlier this year.

33:34Uh, NFA proposed use is

33:37Puts this in the regional

33:40The primary use there, uh,

33:42zoning is CRJ

33:44It's also in the F localized

33:47In this district.

33:48The CFP is required to operate

33:50entertainment and sell alcohol

33:53after 5 p.m..

33:56Here's a picture of the site.

33:57Um, it was originally

34:00Uh. Martin Soulfood received

34:02alcohol in July of 2025 and a

34:06sales, on premise and

34:08In March of this year, uh, the

34:11opening and a few openings for

34:13they really haven't been

34:15Uh, there are two outdoor areas.

34:17One is uncovered, as you see on

34:20you see on the right.

34:21The right covered areas where

34:23And as a condition, the vinyl

34:26quietly closed when

34:29Here's the floor plan, which

34:31previous cup.

34:32The green area is the

34:34It's uncovered and the red area

34:35is covered outside seating area.

34:37There'll be no DJ,

34:39And the purple circle you see

34:40that is the entertainment stage.

34:43Hours really aren't changing.

34:44They are opening a little later

34:46versus their previous

34:48Proposed hours 11 a.m.

34:49to 12 midnight,

34:51The same for alcohol sales.

34:52On premise live

34:55to 10 p.m.

34:56Sunday through

34:57to 12 midnight

35:00Capacity is not changing.

35:01193 seats indoors, 93 outdoors

35:05entertainment options will

35:07comedian and trivia.

35:10Staff recommends

35:13The use conforms nf K

35:16on the weekday, on the

35:17weekends, 12 midnight

35:19The outdoor area must

35:21entertainment is being

35:23enforcement of loitering in the

35:26and there will be a two

35:29Um. Lake Taylor Civic League

35:33Any questions?

35:36Okay.

35:37I do have the applicant here.

35:38Craig Brown,

35:40would you like to add

35:44Do we have any questions

35:48Thank you very much for

35:51Any questions or comments

35:54I think we're ready.

35:56The motion is to recommend

35:57permit, subject to the

36:00staff report.

36:00Doctor Whibley, Mr. Wells.

36:03Mr. Bateman and Miss Sutter.

36:05I will make that

36:07Thank you for coming out.

36:08Item number four dockside

36:11conditional use permits.

36:12Uh, at 4300 Colley Avenue A a

36:17B live entertainment.

36:18C sale of alcoholic

36:21The purpose of this request

36:25operate with extended hours,

36:28alcohol for on

36:31Thanks, Susan.

36:32The site is located on the

36:33Avenue and West 43rd Street in

36:40Sorry. The proposed use is

36:43which designates the site

36:45commercial is a primary use

36:48property zoned CC

36:50In this district, you need

36:51operate a restaurant with

36:54for on premise consumption

36:56live entertainment.

36:58Here's a picture of the site.

37:00The site formerly operated as

37:05and the Max barge took over

37:10Um. And then a new applicant

37:16proposing to reopen Max barge.

37:19They didn't reopen.

37:20So now we have a new applicant

37:23a different name but

37:26Here's more pictures of the

37:29they've done a little bit of

37:31area and the painting

37:34This is their floor plan.

37:35It is the same floor plan that

37:36the previous

37:38Um.

37:43So for the hours of operation

37:46the previously approved

37:48to 2 a.m., seven days a week.

37:50The hours for the sale of

37:53is from 11 a.m.

37:54to 2 a.m., seven days a week.

37:57The hours for live

37:59until 10 p.m.,

38:01This is one of the things that

38:03Highland Park Civic League and

38:06League and Civic League did

38:08condition and with

38:10Um, the second condition being

38:13at all times, there's live

38:16outdoor dining close by 9:00

38:1810:00 on Friday and Saturday.

38:20The applicant, you know,

38:22the Highland Park.

38:24The Highland Park Civic League

38:25reducing the noise.

38:26We support it with

38:28Um, the colonial place.

38:32I did not get a

38:35They were the ones

38:37The applicant did

38:39I just don't think we

38:44Um, the capacity is the same

38:48on the floor plan.

38:49With entertainment and

38:50capacity and the same

38:53band or.

38:54Sorry, it's a slightly

38:56They took out comedian.

38:57So it's live band trivia,

38:59Now the four

39:01Staff does recommend approval.

39:03The use does conform

39:05The application is replacing

39:08operating as a

39:11Um, the, the conditions that

39:15the agreement with the Highland

39:17the outdoor dining area Sunday

39:1910:00 Friday and Saturday,

39:22doors, uh, by, uh, during live

39:26outdoor live entertainment.

39:29I stand by for any questions.

39:31Thank you.

39:33I do have the the applicant

39:37Yes, ma'am.

39:38Would you like to add anything

39:41All right.

39:42Thank you.

39:43Stand by.

39:44We do have a few other

39:45Um, we do have

39:48we have Larry Druyan.

39:51Larry Druyan is here in

39:55to speak.

39:56Will you come up?

39:59And before you before you

40:02your name and your address and

40:08My name is Lawrence Druyan.

40:11I live at 4200 Mayflower Road.

40:19Can anybody see my shirt?

40:22You see anything on that emblem?

40:24On my shirt?

40:24Any of you.

40:26You'll tell us?

40:26Maybe.

40:27Not yet.

40:28Okay.

40:29I just need you cannot

40:32when I look at

40:34There was no picture of

40:37connecting Cali Avenue where

40:41And we are grateful to

40:44entertainment to the area.

40:46But the view doesn't show,

40:50If I were to wear this at

40:53wouldn't be allowed because on

40:58a margarita

41:00and that wouldn't be allowed

41:03subliminal advertising.

41:04The students aren't allowed to

41:05wear this, and they

41:08Here we have a distorted

41:12if I can talk to the

41:19The applicant themselves, then

41:23Because when I heard something

41:26understood something

41:28this was going to go

41:31I didn't hear that recently.

41:32Is this applicant applying for

41:36up to 2 a.m.?

41:37Do you know if that's true?

41:38Yes.

41:39And live entertainment

41:42No.

41:42It will close.

41:43It will close.

41:44The live entertainment will not

41:47after 11.

41:48We're going to bring

41:50Just live entertainment

41:53Okay, okay.

41:55That's I had a misunderstanding

41:59that's not what I understood

42:01And when I made

42:03Okay, so so that's pretty good.

42:04So it sounds pretty good.

42:06Would the applicant be willing

42:10something were to go amiss so

42:14as neighbors, where we work

42:19by what is called bass sound,

42:23called water application,

42:28And once it goes across that

42:31And I'm willing to participate

42:33soundproofing like I have in

42:35tenants, the sound travels,

42:40And I have some numerous health

42:42issues right now

42:44I'm done.

42:45Thank you very

42:46Appreciate all that

42:48Thank you very

42:50And don't go far, because I

42:53up and and we'll continue

42:55Thank you.

42:56Very.

42:56Much. Oh, of.

42:57Course.

42:58We work together.

42:58Thank you.

42:59Um,

43:01next we have Zachary Wang.

43:03I don't have opposition or

43:08and wants to ask questions.

43:10There you are.

43:13If you would start with

43:16Yes, ma'am.

43:16Um, and how much time do I have?

43:18You have three minutes.

43:19Okay. Um.

43:20Zachary Wang 4304

43:23Um, uh, similar to Larry, one

43:25of the spots right

43:26Um, first of all, very excited.

43:28I grew up here in Norfolk, so

43:31originally way back and then

43:33and now dockside.

43:35Um, and forgive my ignorance

43:39Civic League discussion.

43:40I moved there about

43:42Um, and I do remember at the

43:45before I closed that, you know,

43:48music and sometimes it'd

43:50Um, so my first question is,

43:54previously submitted cup in

44:00the restaurant.

44:01So I guess my question is

44:04operating before that cup.

44:06They were not at

44:08Right?

44:09They did.

44:09They were.

44:10They were.

44:10Yes. Okay.

44:11Okay.

44:12It's pretty much been

44:14probably O'Sullivan's okay.

44:16All right.

44:17And then and I think I heard

44:18some of this, so forgive

44:20Um, and it sounds like the live

44:23within that side that I guess

44:25they called Mac

44:26It's kind of a separate

44:31Yes. There are two locations

44:33And then when they have live

44:35conditions requires that all

44:38to keep the entertainment

44:40Okay. Um,

44:44do we know if Mac's

44:47Because I just don't recall

44:48there being live

44:49I know that you can apply for

44:52have live entertainment.

44:53They did have entertainment.

44:54Try to get a gauge for what

44:56of years.

44:56They had bands.

44:57Okay. Okay.

44:59Um.

45:03And so give me.

45:05Sorry. Just give me a moment

45:07I'm still looking

45:08I'm not trying to go over, um.

45:13So the windows doors will be

45:15closed during live

45:18Um, and they're not going to

45:21outdoor at any or no before

45:25through Thursday and after ten.

45:28And they'll be limiting

45:33After nine on Sunday and

45:36Okay. Um yeah.

45:37I mean, I just I checked,

45:40Um, obviously I have a concern

45:42street there.

45:43I think Larry did a good job of

45:45bounce off.

45:46Um, and I'm not particularly

45:50didn't, you know, you hear the

45:54station right across the street.

45:55You can hear it pretty well.

45:56So I just, I guess I came here

45:58live band there and they're

46:00going to be like kind

46:02But sounds like this is

46:04conditions of those hours.

46:07Okay. I think that's all I have.

46:08Thank you.

46:09Thank you, Mr. Wang.

46:10I appreciate it.

46:15Miss, could.

46:18You please come up and share

46:23And I know my question to

46:26opportunity to connect with.

46:28It looks like two of

46:30Absolutely.

46:31Okay.

46:32Um, my name is

46:34My address is 416 Gladstone

46:38Um,

46:40first off, um, I thought we

46:452 a.m.

46:47on exhibit A.

46:48May have applied, but

46:51Had changed.

46:52It.

46:53Because it was supposed

46:57No, nothing after ten on the

47:01have entertainment until 2 a.m.

47:04indoors.

47:05Yes, ma'am.

47:05Indoors.

47:07Okay.

47:11Rob, can you.

47:13We're confirming.

47:14Okay.

47:15That might be my mistake.

47:16Yes.

47:18We need to.

47:23Staff, can I have someone

47:25Park with what the request is?

47:51I'm sorry.

47:52No. You're fine.

47:53It's. That's entirely my fault.

47:55Um, the outdoor dining is

47:57stopping at 10 p.m.,

47:59That was my mistake

48:01Should have said.

48:02Hours for outdoor dining,

48:03The entertainment indoors is

48:062 a.m.

48:07the conditions in the

48:08I messed up on the slide

48:10That's okay.

48:12So indoor entertainment

48:15Outdoor noise

48:19Yes. We're shutting down the

48:19patio all the way

48:22every day.

48:24We will not have anybody

48:26any noise at all.

48:29Um, and we did write a little

48:33Um, we just want to say that,

48:36you to Dockside Social, we want

48:39shared about the noise levels

48:41and live entertainment

48:43First and foremost, we hear you.

48:45We respect your concerns and we

48:47are committed to

48:50We understand that North Colby

48:53businesses operate.

48:54It is a community where

48:57gather, and residents deserve

49:01their homes.

49:02We have no intention

49:06We want to be clear about our

49:10We are a restaurant.

49:11We do not intend on being

49:16We do not plan to

49:20Charge cover fees or play

49:25Our goal is to welcome a place

49:29and live entertainment in a

49:34We do not want our guests to

49:38raising their voices.

49:40We have already taken proactive

49:44including keeping our garage

49:45doors closed during

49:48No matter what time of the day

49:51music and the entertainment we

49:55dining experience other

49:58Our hope is for Dockside Social

50:02College community

50:04Somewhere neighbors can meet

50:07and friends can share a meal,

50:10We are excited to invest in the

50:13relationships with

50:16We do not simply want to do

50:19We want to be a

50:20We want to involve ourselves

50:24that everybody knows that we do

50:27be that for them to reach out

50:29to us and say,

50:32And we're listening.

50:33We are not over looking it.

50:36And we care.

50:37We care about our community.

50:40Um, and that's, I think it.

50:43Well, I appreciate that.

50:44Thank you.

50:45It's very profound.

50:46Um, any questions for the

50:49her seat?

50:50Okay. Thank you very much.

50:52Thank you very.

50:52Much.

50:54I was just going to say I

50:55community, and I hope you look

50:58district of that area.

50:59Absolutely. Absolutely.

51:00And we've done several

51:03So we won't have problems

51:07Thank you.

51:08All. And you're

51:10Absolutely.

51:11Contact contact.

51:12Information. I've printed

51:14it out to anybody that needs.

51:16Absolutely.

51:17Thank you very much, Mr. Druian.

51:19Is that satisfactory,

51:23I'd just like to.

51:23Just one.

51:24More time.

51:24If you would, please.

51:32Wouldn't you like me

51:33You don't have.

51:34To.

51:34So just in review.

51:37That's why I was confused.

51:39And we straighten it

51:42And so if we can have open

51:43communication, that's wonderful.

51:45But I had open communication

51:49And then when the people who

51:53rude and then they

51:55There's deception that

51:58on top of things.

51:59So that's my concern because

52:03well when you respect each

52:04other and you're trying

52:06And I will definitely

52:08I mean, it's right,

52:11I can imagine.

52:12Or the river.

52:13But thank you very much.

52:14And that's basically it.

52:15I would also say that if if you

52:19pleasantries, you can always

52:23was just read.

52:24Because.

52:24She did a wonderful job.

52:25I mean, it sounds

52:28And I imagine they'll remain a,

52:31Yeah. And that's fantastic.

52:33Thank you so much.

52:34Okay. Thank you very

52:35Thank you.

52:37Any other questions or comments

52:40Oh.

52:41The other speaker to.

52:43Oh, I think you were.

52:44Did you want to say more?

52:45Oh, please do come up.

52:47I apologize, I thought

52:50Thank you.

52:51I do appreciate the

52:53Um, I think, though, it

52:57So. And I just want to clarify

53:01previous Max barge was not

53:042 a.m..

53:05Correct.

53:06Yes. They were.

53:07I believe they were, they.

53:08Were, they were.

53:09Okay. Okay.

53:10So then I guess, um, really all

53:13think we're kind of

53:14Um, but just yeah,

53:17Um, right there across the

53:20music for sure.

53:22I mean, even with

53:23is pretty late.

53:24Um, and it does

53:28um, sorry, just taking the time

53:31sure I've said everything.

53:36Yeah. I just appreciate the

53:39Um, I moved in there looking

53:42Not to get all dramatic,

53:44definitely, you start thinking

53:47be and the vibe and kind of

53:52Um, so I appreciate that letter

53:54and the contact

53:57And, um, yeah, I'm with Larry.

53:59Um, grew up in Colonial Place

54:02So it's exciting.

54:03It's a great piece of property.

54:05Um, looking forward

54:08Thank you.

54:08Mister. Thank you.

54:11All right.

54:11I think we're ready.

54:13The motion is to recommend

54:15conditions contained

54:17Doctor Whibley I, Mr. Wells,

54:22I we'll make that

54:24Thank you for coming

54:26And number five, be a juice bar

54:29use permits at 3016 East

54:34Banquet Hall B

54:35C sale of alcoholic

54:38The purpose is request is to

54:40to continue to operate with

54:43alcohol for on

54:45Thanks, Susan.

54:46The site is located on the

54:48Princess Anne Road and Vincent

54:49Avenue in the Broad

54:52NF k 2050 designates

54:54Mixed use or commercial

54:57Properties on CC

54:59It also lies within the

55:01In this district, you need

55:03operate a banquet hall to have

55:06alcoholic beverages for on

55:07premises consumption

55:10here's a picture of the site.

55:11The applicant obtained a

55:14of 2024, and has been working

55:17since right around May of 2026.

55:19Um, the site does not sell

55:22a juice bar.

55:23The alcohol sales are just part

55:27and they they don't

55:30The applicant is required to

55:33hosting the event to get a one

55:36and do.

55:37And that's how it's done.

55:38But when we say sale of alcohol

55:41premises, we just mean alcohol

55:43not directly sold by the the

55:49There's a very small space.

55:51Total capacity is 61 people.

55:52They have two layouts, one with

55:55with the regular operations.

55:59We have not had any calls for

56:02with the police over

56:04We actually look at the ABC

56:06They haven't pulled an

56:09They've had about 20 events,

56:12community style meetings and

56:15baby showers, wedding, not

56:20rehearsal dinner.

56:21I guess you could

56:23Um, but there's requests is

56:25exactly the same as

56:269 a.m.

56:27to 11 p.m., seven days a week.

56:29Uh, the hours for the banquet

56:32entertainment will be 10 a.m.

56:33to 11 p.m., seven days a week,

56:35karaoke, and a total

56:39Staff is recommending approval.

56:41The applicant.

56:42The use conforms

56:43The applicant is operated

56:46it's a very limited capacity.

56:48Any questions.

56:50Questions.

56:51So do they have a current

56:54It technically expired, but

56:56they got their

56:59They've been working with us

57:01meeting with the Civic League

57:03and stuff like that, just

57:05They've been working with us

57:06since about the time

57:08Um, we've been better about

57:11applications when they're about

57:13have the capacity for

57:17But as we've had more staff,

57:19more of that.

57:20Um, so we've been working with

57:22through the process again.

57:23I don't remember the exact day

57:26but he just missed one of

57:28And as a reminder, this was

57:31two weeks ago.

57:32So, um, I think.

57:35I.

57:35Think.

57:36Five, five months

57:39Yeah. I want to say we got the

57:42Um, and then it's just, you

57:45the deadline for that,

57:50Okay.

57:52Any other questions or comments?

57:54We don't have anyone

57:56So I think that we can

57:59The motion is to recommend

58:01permit, subject to the

58:03staff report.

58:04Doctor Whibley, Mr. Wells.

58:06Hi, Mr. Raymond and Miss Sutter.

58:10The applicant did

58:13I did not get a form.

58:15They didn't sign up to speak.

58:16That's something

58:18We do believe the

58:20I don't think he signed up.

58:22He's sitting right there.

58:24I was looking at him like.

58:27Never mind.

58:32Well, thank you for coming out.

58:33We'll make that

58:35Okay. And then the last on new

58:40zoning text amendment to allow

58:43nonprofit 501 C3 housing

58:47state regulations or

58:49Excuse me.

58:53Good afternoon.

58:54Commissioners. Um, I can go

58:58just if you have any questions.

58:59Real.

59:00Quick. Okay.

59:01Just for the people watching.

59:02Okay. Um, so the faith in

59:05development of, um,

59:08for property tax exempt and

59:12Um, and it goes into effect

59:16Um, so this is the draft of the

59:20to you.

59:21Um, and it will read the zoning

59:24issue zoning certificate to

59:28properties owned by tax exempt

59:32C3 toxic property tax exempt

59:37to state code requirements

59:40setback, parking, height,

59:45not exempt certain standards,

59:49landscaping, floodplain and

59:52area and does not apply to

59:59Um.

1:00:02We're just requesting an

1:00:04the work so that we can hear

1:00:05this in two weeks at

1:00:09Any questions?

1:00:12Thank you very much.

1:00:14Thank you.

1:00:14All right.

1:00:15I think we're ready to vote.

1:00:15All right.

1:00:16The motion is to initiate

1:00:18pertaining to faith based and

1:00:19tax exempt nonprofit

1:00:23Uh, Doctor whibley, I, Mr..

1:00:25Wells, Mr. bateman.

1:00:28Mr. I.

1:00:32Is it?

1:00:34Madam chair, we have one item

1:00:36new business very quickly,

1:00:38Uh, we have a resolution

1:00:40distinguished service of Paula

1:00:43director of our department, who

1:00:47She goes to terminal leave

1:00:51retirement is November 2nd.

1:00:53Terminal leaves and it

1:00:56It's so serious.

1:00:57But that's how it

1:00:58So that's how I remember it.

1:00:59So you look good.

1:01:03So go ahead and read the

1:01:06commission vote.

1:01:07Whereas the planning department

1:01:08recognizes and honors

1:01:10dedication, leadership and

1:01:13And whereas, in her role as

1:01:16comprehensive planner, Paula,

1:01:19in shaping the city's vision

1:01:22comprehensive planning efforts

1:01:24promote sustainable

1:01:26high quality urban environments.

1:01:28Her ability to balance

1:01:30community values has helped

1:01:32position the city for

1:01:34And whereas through through

1:01:35years of exemplary

1:01:37She advanced to the role of

1:01:40continued to contribute

1:01:41department's mission leading,

1:01:44organizational effectiveness

1:01:47across city departments and

1:01:50And whereas policy has

1:01:53highest standards of public

1:01:55exceptional skill, sound

1:01:58dedication to improving

1:02:01vibrancy of our community.

1:02:02And whereas her leadership and

1:02:05impact on the planning

1:02:08programs, processes and staff

1:02:11continue to benefit the

1:02:14And now, therefore, let it

1:02:16Norfolk and its planning

1:02:18Commission express their

1:02:21for her outstanding service,

1:02:25and her meaningful

1:02:27tenure, and that this

1:02:30gratitude and respect,

1:02:32continued success in all

1:02:35On this day.

1:02:37Thank you.

1:02:39I believe we do.

1:02:40We vote on the matter.

1:02:41Believe we can vote on this.

1:02:42Resolution. I think we should.

1:02:43Do you want me to take a call?

1:02:45I wish you would.

1:02:45Thank you.

1:02:46Uh, the motion is to

1:02:50Doctor Whibley.

1:02:51Aye. Mr. Wells.

1:02:53Yes. Mr. Bateman.

1:02:56Yes. And, Miss Sutter.

1:02:58Before I say, I, I just want

1:03:02You've seen us through lots of

1:03:05few transitions.

1:03:06And I'm very proud to have

1:03:09And I will warn you that every

1:03:12retired person I

1:03:16the busiest person I know.

1:03:17So, um, but thank you from

1:03:21Thank you for everything.

1:03:22I vote aye, aye.

1:03:25Okay, well, we're

1:03:30this meeting.

1:03:30No we are.

1:03:32Yes, we're going to adjourn,

1:03:34so that we can

1:03:36So um.

1:03:37Oh we have a lovely

1:03:40Yay, Paula.

1:03:41And we are adjourned.