2026-10-21 - Finance & Governance Committee (Whole)

05:44>> OKAY.

05:45>> ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. I

05:48CALL THIS MEETING OF THE

05:50PORTLAND CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE

05:51OF THE WHOLE TO ORDER. IT IS

05:55OCTOBER 21ST, 2026 AT 2:01 P.M.

05:59DIEGO, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE

06:00ROLL?

06:01>> GOOD AFTERNOON. CLERK HERE,

06:06GREEN HERE. ZIMMERMAN.

06:10>> AVALOS PRESENT.

06:11>> SMITH HERE.

06:14>> PIRTLE-GUINEY HERE.

06:17>> RYAN HERE.

06:19>> KOYAMA LANE. HERE. MORILLO

06:23HERE.

06:24>> NOVICK. HERE.

06:25>> DUNPHY.

06:28>> KANAL HERE. CHRISTOPHER,

06:32WILL YOU PLEASE READ THE

06:33STATEMENT OF CONDUCT?

06:35>> GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME TO

06:36THE MEETING OF THE FINANCE AND

06:37GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE OF THE

06:38WHOLE. TO TESTIFY BEFORE THIS

06:40COMMITTEE IN PERSON OR

06:41VIRTUALLY, YOU MUST SIGN UP IN

06:42ADVANCE IN THE COMMITTEE AGENDA

06:47AT

06:47WWW.PORTLAND.GOV/AGENDA/COMMITTE

06:48OR BY CALLING 311. INFORMATION

06:50ON ENGAGING WITH THE COMMITTEE

06:51CAN BE FOUND AT THIS LINK.

06:52REGISTRATION FOR VIRTUAL

06:53TESTIMONY CLOSES ONE HOUR PRIOR

06:55TO THE MEETING IN PERSON,

06:56TESTIFIERS MUST SIGN UP BEFORE

06:57THE AGENDA ITEM IS HEARD. IF

06:59PUBLIC TESTIMONY WILL BE TAKEN

07:00ON AN ITEM, INDIVIDUALS MAY

07:01TESTIFY FOR THREE MINUTES

07:02UNLESS THE CHAIR STATES

07:03OTHERWISE, YOUR MICROPHONE WILL

07:04BE MUTED. WHEN YOUR TIME IS

07:05OVER, THE CHAIR PRESERVES ORDER

07:07DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT SUCH AS

07:08SHOUTING, REFUSING TO CONCLUDE

07:10YOUR TESTIMONY WHEN YOUR TIME

07:12IS UP, OR INTERRUPTING OTHERS

07:13TESTIMONY OR COMMITTEE

07:13DELIBERATIONS WILL NOT BE

07:14ALLOWED. IF YOU CAUSE A

07:16DISRUPTION, A WARNING WILL BE

07:17GIVEN. FURTHER DISRUPTION WILL

07:18RESULT IN EJECTION FROM THE

07:19MEETING. ANYONE WHO FAILS TO

07:20LEAVE ONCE EJECTED IS SUBJECT

07:22TO ARREST FOR TRESPASS.

07:23ADDITIONALLY, THE COMMITTEE MAY

07:24TAKE A SHORT RECESS AND

07:25RECONVENE VIRTUALLY. YOUR

07:26TESTIMONY SHOULD ADDRESS THE

07:27MATTER BEING CONSIDERED WHEN

07:28TESTIFYING. STATE YOUR NAME FOR

07:29THE RECORD. IF YOU'RE A

07:30LOBBYIST, IDENTIFY THE

07:31ORGANIZATION YOU REPRESENT AND

07:32VIRTUAL TESTIFIER SHOULD UNMUTE

07:33THEMSELVES WHEN THE CLERK CALLS

07:34YOUR NAME. THANK YOU.

07:35>> THANK YOU, CHRISTOPHER.

07:37COLLEAGUES, TODAY WE HAVE A

07:39PRETTY PACKED AGENDA WITH ITEMS

07:40THAT ARE PRIMARILY RELATED TO

07:43REPORT OR RESOLUTIONS THAT

07:44APPOINT PEOPLE TO VARIOUS

07:46APPOINTED BODIES AND

07:48COMMISSIONS. WE WILL HAVE SOME

07:49FOLKS HERE JOINING US FOR THOSE,

07:52BUT OBVIOUSLY EACH STAFF

07:53PRESENT PRESENTER WILL LET US

07:55KNOW WHO IS ABLE TO JOIN US.

07:57FOLLOWING THAT, WE DO HAVE AN

07:59ITEM WHICH IS A REPORT BACK

08:01FROM A WORK GROUP THAT WAS

08:03ESTABLISHED TO DISCUSS THE

08:04PROCESS BY WHICH CITY COUNCIL

08:08ELECTS ITS COUNCIL LEADERSHIP

08:09EACH JANUARY. THAT'S DESIGNED

08:11TO BE A CONVERSATION STARTER.

08:13IT'S NOT DESIGNED TO COME UP

08:14WITH ANY PARTICULAR OUTCOMES ON

08:16THE DAY, BUT ENABLE THOSE TO BE

08:17CONSIDERED GOING INTO THE FALL

08:20AND INTO JANUARY. WITH THAT,

08:23I'M GOING TO ASK IF, DIEGO, IF

08:26YOU COULD READ ITEM ONE, PLEASE.

08:29>> ITEM ONE, DOCUMENT NUMBER

08:332026-373. COMMITTEE CHAIR

08:34UPDATES.

08:35>> THANK YOU ALL. SO THE ITEM

08:38IS POSTED ONLINE. THERE'S

08:39COPIES BEING PASSED AROUND. THE

08:44COMMITTEE OR SORRY, THE CHAIR

08:46UPDATE TODAY. IT'S PRIMARILY

08:48MAKING A LOT OF THINGS THAT

08:49WERE POSSIBLE IN A TENTATIVE OR

08:50TENTATIVE INTO CONFIRMED. AS WE

08:52GET CLOSER TO THE END OF THE

08:53YEAR, MOST OF THE THINGS THAT

08:55ARE LEFT AS TENTATIVE ARE JUST

08:56THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FILED

08:58YET BY THE ADMINISTRATION. FOR

08:59EXAMPLE, THE APPOINTMENTS ON

09:02NOVEMBER 18TH ARE EFFECTIVELY,

09:04WE'RE BEING TOLD, ARE LOCKED IN,

09:05JUST HAVEN'T YET BEEN PUT

09:07THROUGH THE FILING PROCESS. A

09:11COUPLE DATES MOVING UP AND DOWN,

09:12THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL. BUT

09:14THIS IS PRETTY MUCH OUR RUN FOR

09:16THE REST OF THE THE YEAR. WE DO

09:18HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF

09:19FLEXIBILITY BUILT IN IN CASE

09:20SOMEBODY FILES SOMETHING, BUT I

09:21WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE

09:22COLLEAGUES WHO MIGHT HAVE AN

09:23ITEM THAT IS GOING TO COME TO

09:25COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE TO FILE

09:27IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. ON PAGE

09:31TWO. I'VE MADE IT PRETTY CLEAR

09:33NOW ON HERE THAT ANYTHING THAT

09:36ISN'T YET ON THIS AGENDA IS

09:37PROBABLY GOING TO GET SENT TO

09:39THE FUTURE LEADERSHIP OF

09:41COMMITTEES, THIS AND OTHERS

09:42NEXT YEAR. BUT I DID GET SOME

09:45SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT WERE

09:47SUGGESTED, NOT NECESSARILY

09:48READY FOR DISCUSSION, BUT WHICH

09:50ARE EVENTUALLY MAYBE THINGS

09:53THAT THAT EITHER THE

09:54ADMINISTRATION OR COUNCILOR MAY

09:55WANT AT THIS COMMITTEE. SO I

09:56MADE SURE TO ADD THOSE TO THAT

09:58LIST. SO THAT FUTURE CHAIR OR

09:59CHAIRS CAN, CAN LOOK AT THE

10:03LIST AND SCHEDULE THEM. AND

10:04THEN JUST TRYING TO GET MORE

10:05THINGS FIGURED OUT FOR THE

10:07LEADERSHIP REQUESTS AND WORK

10:08GROUPS IN TERMS OF FILING AND

10:10BEING CLEAR ABOUT WHAT'S BEING

10:12LEFT, I WILL NOTE THAT

10:13COUNCILOR, NOVICK AND I ARE THE

10:14ONLY TWO PEOPLE LISTED ON

10:16HELPING PLAN THE OVERSIGHT

10:17HEARING ON SPAN OF CONTROL AND

10:19MANAGEMENT LAYERS. WE ARE

10:20GETTING A LOT OF ASSISTANCE

10:22FROM THE ADMINISTRATION IN THAT

10:23REGARD, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY

10:25OTHER COUNCILORS WHO'D LIKE TO

10:26BE ADDED TO THAT WOULD LOVE THE

10:28SUPPORT. I'M SURE I'LL SPEAK

10:29FOR COUNCILOR NOVICK AND SAY

10:31I'M SURE HE WOULD TOO. ON

10:32HELPING GO THROUGH WHAT MAY BE

10:34THOUSANDS OF PAGES OF RECORDS.

10:36AND THEN COUNCILOR CLARK IS

10:38SICK TODAY, SO I KNOW SHE'S

10:40ONLINE, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING

10:42TO END UP SKIPPING UNLESS

10:43THERE'S ANYTHING ANYONE WANTED

10:45TO ADD IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC

10:47WORKS COMMITTEE COMING UP. I

10:49DON'T KNOW IF NOT TO PUT

10:51ANYBODY ON THE SPOT, BUT IF

10:52THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT ANYONE

10:54WANT TO ADD ON THAT BEFORE WE

10:56WE MOVE ON. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS?

10:58I'LL JUST LET PEOPLE HAVE A

11:00MOMENT TO GET IN THE QUEUE. SO.

11:06COUNCILOR. NOVICK.

11:08>> YEAH, JUST THANK YOU. CHAIR

11:11ON OVERSIGHT SLASH PUBLIC

11:13SAFETY RESPONSE TIMES. I AM

11:15HOPING THAT WE CAN BRING PPB

11:18BACK UP, UP IN CAPS AGAIN IN

11:20THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS TO

11:21SEE IF WE CAN GET MORE THOROUGH

11:24ANSWERS THAN WE GOT BEFORE.

11:25>> YEAH, THANKS. AND ON THAT

11:27SUBJECT, I THINK IF IT'S

11:29SOMETHING THAT CHECKS THE THAT

11:31SORT OF THE DISCUSSION ITEM IN

11:33CAPS MEETS THE NEED, THEN IT

11:34DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HERE. AND

11:36I'M HAPPY TO LET THE COMMITTEE

11:37OF COMMUNITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY

11:39TAKE THE LEAD ON THAT. COOL.

11:41ALL RIGHT. THANKS. WITH THAT

11:45AND THIS AND DIEGO, IF YOU

11:46COULD PLEASE READ ITEM TWO.

11:50>> ITEM TWO, DOCUMENT NUMBER

11:532026-370. REAPPOINT KIM LOWER

11:56AND CRAIG FREEMAN TO THE

11:57REVENUE DIVISION APPEALS BOARD.

11:59>> GREAT. AND WE'LL WELCOME UP

12:01SELENA HOLT WHO WILL BE LEADING

12:03OUR PRESENTATION. PLEASE TAKE

12:04IT AWAY.

12:07>> THANK YOU.

12:19>> PERFECT. HELLO. GOOD

12:20AFTERNOON. I'M SELENA HOLT, THE

12:22AUDIT AND ACCOUNTING MANAGER

12:24WITH THE REVENUE DIVISION. THE

12:26REVENUE DIVISION IS SEEKING TO

12:27FILL TWO POSITIONS ON THE

12:28REVENUE DIVISION APPEAL BOARD.

12:30WE REFER TO IT AS OUR DEB FOR

12:32SHORT. THE REVENUE DIVISION

12:34ADMINISTERS VARIOUS TAX AND FEE

12:36PROGRAMS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY

12:37OF PORTLAND, MULTNOMAH COUNTY

12:39AND METRO. THESE TAXES INCLUDE

12:41THE BUSINESS AND PERSONAL

12:42INCOME TAXES, TRANSIENT LODGING

12:45TAX, UTILITY LICENSE FEE, CLEAN

12:47ENERGY SURCHARGE, ARTS

12:49EDUCATION TAX AND OTHER

12:50PROGRAMS. DEB IS A FIVE MEMBER

12:53VOLUNTEER BOARD COMPRISED OF

12:54MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT RULE

12:56ON APPEALS FROM TAX FILERS WHO

12:58DISAGREE WITH A REVENUE

12:59DIVISION DETERMINATION FOR

13:02PORTLAND CITY CODE SECTION

13:057.02295. THESE POSITIONS ARE

13:06APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, SUBJECT

13:08TO APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL.

13:16ADDITIONALLY, THE CODE REQUIRES

13:18THAT DEB APPOINTMENTS BE MADE

13:19TO CANDIDATES WITH THE

13:20APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF EXPERTISE

13:22IN ACCOUNTING METHODS AND TAX

13:23LAWS, WHICH TYPICALLY MEANS

13:25THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A CPA

13:27LICENSE OR A STRONG TAX

13:28EXPERIENCE. BACKGROUND. TWO

13:33BOARD MEMBER POSITIONS WILL

13:34EXPIRE ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2026,

13:37AND WE ARE SEEKING

13:38REAPPOINTMENT OF TWO CURRENT

13:39OCCUPANTS. THESE POSITIONS

13:41SERVE 2 OR 3 YEAR TERMS WITH

13:43STAGGERED END DATES, AND ARE

13:44STRUCTURED THIS WAY TO FILL THE

13:46EXISTING TERMS WITH LITTLE TO

13:47NO INTERRUPTION. THESE

13:49POSITIONS MUST ALSO BE APPROVED

13:50BY MULTNOMAH COUNTY AND METRO

13:52PER INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT.

13:55I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE KIM LOHR

13:58AND CRAIG FREEMAN. KIM IS A

14:01LICENSED CPA, FORMERLY A STATE

14:02AND LOCAL PRINCIPAL AT DELAP,

14:04AND MOORE CURRENTLY TOOK ON A

14:06POSITION AT CLARK NEWBERG. KIM

14:08HAS 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN

14:10STATE AND LOCAL TAXATION. THIS

14:12BOARD POSITION REQUIRED

14:13APPROVAL FROM MULTNOMAH COUNTY

14:15AND THEY APPROVED. CRAIG IS A

14:18LICENSED CPA SENIOR MANAGER AT

14:20GEFFEN MESHER WITH MORE THAN 20

14:22YEARS OF TAX PROFESSIONAL

14:23EXPERIENCE, THIS BOARD POSITION

14:25ALSO REQUIRED APPROVAL FROM

14:26METRO, AND THEY APPROVED THESE

14:29TWO POTENTIAL APPOINTEES MEET

14:31THE QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED BY

14:33CODE THEY HAVE PREVIOUSLY AND

14:34WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE THE

14:35PUBLIC, THE CITY OF PORTLAND

14:37AND OUR PARTNER AGENCIES WELL

14:38IN ANY MATTERS COMING BEFORE

14:39THE BOARD, AS BOTH CANDIDATES

14:42EXPRESS INTEREST IN

14:44REAPPOINTMENT, AND BOTH WERE

14:45ALSO APPROVED BY METRO AND OR

14:47MULTNOMAH COUNTY. WE DID NOT

14:48RECRUIT FOR THESE POSITIONS, SO

14:51THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'M

14:52HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

14:53YOU MAY HAVE. WE ALSO HAVE KIM

14:55AND CRAIG AVAILABLE ONLINE IN

14:57CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR

14:58THEM. BUT JUST A HEADS UP, KIM

15:00MAY HAVE TO LEAVE EARLY.

15:02>> OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU FOR

15:04BEING HERE. THANK YOU TO OUR

15:06CURRENT APPOINTEES FOR BEING

15:07WILLING TO TO CONTINUE SERVING

15:11US COLLEAGUES. IF YOU'D LIKE TO

15:12GET IN THE QUEUE TO ASK ANY

15:14QUESTIONS, YOU MAY. WHILE

15:15THAT'S HAPPENING, IS THERE ANY

15:16PUBLIC TESTIMONY ON THIS ITEM?

15:19>> NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP.

15:21>> OKAY. IN TERMS OF OUR

15:22CURRENT PRACTICE, BOTH HERE IN

15:24PREVIOUS YEARS OR LAST YEAR, I

15:26SHOULD SAY FOR APPOINTEES, WE

15:28DON'T ASK THEM TO COME GIVE

15:29THEIR INTRODUCTORY STATEMENT.

15:30WE ONLY DO THAT FOR NEW

15:31APPOINTEES, BUT THEY ARE

15:33AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND I

15:34APPRECIATE THAT. SO I'M JUST

15:36GOING TO PAUSE FOR DRAMATIC

15:37EFFECT TO SEE IF THERE ARE

15:39FOLKS IN THE QUEUE. COUNCILOR

15:40RYAN.

15:41>> YEAH, REAL QUICK QUESTION.

15:42ARE THESE TWO YEAR TERMS?

15:43>> SO ONE OF THEM IS TWO YEARS.

15:45SO CRAIG'S IS A TWO YEAR RETURN

15:48RENEWAL AND KIM IS A THREE YEAR.

15:50>> OKAY. I JUST NOTICED THEY

15:51WERE DIFFERENT DATES. YEAH.

15:52YEAH. AND IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE

15:54FILLING IN A.

15:55>> SO YEAH, WE TRIED TO STAGGER

15:57IT SO THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE

15:59PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY

16:01APPOINTED. SO YEAH, SO SOME OF

16:03THEM HAVE TWO YEARS, SOME OF

16:04THEM THREE.

16:05>> THE SKILL SETS OF THESE

16:06VOLUNTEERS ARE PERFECT FOR THIS

16:08ROLE.

16:08>> OH MOST DEFINITELY.

16:09>> GREAT JOB IN RECRUITMENT.

16:10YEAH. THANKS.

16:14>> THANK YOU COUNCILOR RYAN.

16:15I'M NEXT IN THE QUEUE. AND I'LL

16:17JUST ASK BECAUSE I THINK YOU

16:18KIND OF MENTIONED THAT

16:20GENERALLY IF THERE'S SOMEONE

16:21WHO WANTS TO CONTINUE ON, YOU

16:22WOULDN'T DO A RECRUITMENT.

16:23CORRECT. BUT I'M THE FACT THAT

16:25THIS IS BEING REPROPOSED MEANS

16:27SOMEBODY, I'M GUESSING IN THE

16:28MAYOR'S OFFICE OR, AND OR YOUR

16:30OFFICES HAS MADE THE

16:32DETERMINATION THAT IT IS IN

16:33THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO

16:34RECOMMEND RETAINING THEM AS

16:35WELL.

16:36>> YES, YES. SO WE WE FIRST

16:38ASKED THEM IF THEY WANT TO

16:39RENEW, IF THEY AGREE, THEN YEAH,

16:41WE RUN IT PAST THE MAYOR'S

16:42OFFICE OR I BELIEVE JONAS IN

16:43THIS CASE. AND THEN ALSO OUR

16:45STAKEHOLDERS. SO MULTNOMAH

16:46COUNTY AND METRO.

16:48>> AND THEY DID METRO AND

16:50MULTNOMAH COUNTY GIVE THEIR

16:53SUPPORT FOR THIS AT THE TIME OF

16:54THEIR INITIAL APPOINTMENT ONLY

16:56OR AGAIN NOW.

16:57>> AGAIN NOW, SO BOTH TIMES. SO

16:59ANYTIME THERE'S A REAPPOINTMENT

17:00OR INITIAL APPOINTMENT, IF IT'S

17:02FOR ONE OF THE MULTNOMAH COUNTY

17:03OR METRO PACIFIC BOARD

17:06POSITIONS, THEN YEAH, THEY HAVE

17:07TO GIVE THEIR APPROVAL EACH

17:08TIME.

17:08>> OKAY. AND THIS IS PROBABLY

17:09NOT AS RELEVANT FOR THIS ONE,

17:11BUT IT'S HELPFUL KNOWLEDGE FOR

17:12ME GOING INTO A LATER ONE.

17:14TODAY IS OUR PROCESS FOR THE

17:15REVENUE FOR THESE TWO SPOTS,

17:16WHICH ARE THROUGH

17:18INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT,

17:19EFFECTIVELY THAT WE ARE TAKING

17:20THEIR MULTNOMAH COUNTY AND

17:22METRO'S RECOMMENDATION, OR IS

17:24IT A JOINT APPOINTMENT? HOW

17:25WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE NATURE

17:27OF THAT RELATIONSHIP?

17:28>> SO I WOULD SAY IT'S JOINT.

17:30IF WE WE, WE FIRST RECOMMEND

17:32THEM. BUT IF MULTNOMAH COUNTY

17:33OR METRO, THEY HAVE ANY

17:34CONCERNS, THEN WE WOULD NOT GO

17:36FORWARD WITH IT AND PROCEED

17:38WITH THE RECRUITMENT.

17:39>> OKAY, GREAT.

17:40>> THANK YOU. COLLEAGUES.

17:42SEEING NOBODY ELSE IN THE QUEUE

17:44AND THERE BEING NO PUBLIC

17:46TESTIMONY, I'LL ASK IF DIEGO

17:48COULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. OH,

17:50I'M SORRY, WE DO NEED A THIS IS

17:53A REPORT. SO WE DO NEED A

17:55MOTION TO REFER THE REPORT ON

17:56TO THE FULL COUNCIL WITH A DUE

17:58PASS RECOMMENDATION MOVED BY

17:59COUNCILOR RYAN. IS THERE A

18:01SECOND? SECONDED BY COUNCILOR

18:02KOYAMA LANE. IS THERE ANY

18:05FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

18:07DIEGO, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE

18:09ROLL?

18:09>> THANK YOU.

18:10>> CLERK I. GREEN I. AVALOS I

18:17SMITH.

18:18>> I PIRTLE-GUINEY. I RYAN. I

18:24KOYAMA LANE I MORILLO. I NOVICK.

18:31I KANAL. I WITH TEN AYES AND

18:34TWO ABSENT. THE MOTION CARRIES

18:36TO REFER THE REPORT DOCUMENT

18:38NUMBER 2026-370 TO CITY COUNCIL

18:42WITH THE RECOMMENDATION IT BE

18:44ACCEPTED.

18:45>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, KIM

18:46AND CRAIG FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS

18:48TO SERVE. THANK YOU FOR THE

18:49PRESENTATION. AND DIEGO, WILL

18:50YOU PLEASE CALL ITEMS ITEM

18:52THREE.

18:54>> ITEM THREE. DOCUMENT NUMBER

18:582026-355. REAPPOINT MEMBER TO

19:00THE CULLY TAX INCREMENT

19:02FINANCING DISTRICT COMMUNITY

19:03LEADERSHIP COMMITTEE AND

19:05APPOINT NEW MEMBERS TO THE 82ND

19:07AVENUE AREA AND SUMNER PARK

19:10ROWS. RJ COLUMBIA CORRIDOR TAX

19:13INCREMENT FINANCING DISTRICT

19:15COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP COMMITTEES.

19:18>> THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE WITH

19:19US EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF

19:20PROSPER PORTLAND, CORNELL

19:21WESLEY. AND WHILE HE'S COMING

19:23UP, I'LL JUST SAY, I THINK THIS

19:24MIGHT SET THE RECORD FOR

19:26LONGEST TITLE OF A DOCUMENT WE

19:27HAVE HAD SO FAR. THANK YOU FOR

19:31BEING HERE, DIRECTOR WESLEY.

19:32PLEASE TAKE IT AWAY.

19:35>> WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON,

19:36COUNCILORS. FOR THE RECORD, MY

19:37NAME IS CORNELL WESLEY AND I

19:39HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING AS

19:41EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PROSPER

19:42PORTLAND. I'M EXCITED TO SHARE

19:44THE WORK THAT PROSPER PORTLAND

19:45AND THE PORTLAND HOUSING BUREAU

19:47ARE DOING IN EAST PORTLAND, AND

19:50TO PRESENT FOR CONSIDERATION

19:52HERE INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL

19:53SUPPORT THE ONGOING WORK IN

19:55EACH IN EACH TIF DISTRICT. NOW,

19:58AS A BRIEF OUTLINE OF THIS

20:00PRESENTATION, I WILL PROVIDE AN

20:01OVERVIEW OF THE EAST PORTLAND

20:03TIF DISTRICTS IN TERMS OF THEIR

20:05TIMELINES AND WHERE THEY ARE IN

20:06THE ACTION PLANNING PROCESS, AS

20:08WELL AS THE ROLES THESE CLCS

20:10PLAY IN PRIORITY SETTING AND

20:13INVESTMENT STRATEGY. I WILL

20:15THEN SHARE ABOUT THE CLC

20:17SELECTION PROCESS AND CLOSE IT

20:20BY INTRODUCING THE NOMINEES AND

20:22SHARING INFORMATION ABOUT THEM.

20:24AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN,

20:26THIS PRESENTATION IS TITLED

20:28FALL 2026 REAPPOINTMENTS. I

20:32POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE I WANT

20:33TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL KNOW THAT

20:35OUR INTENTION GOING FORWARD IS

20:37TO BRING TIF CLC APPOINTMENTS

20:41TO YOU IN GROUPS QUARTERLY,

20:43RATHER THAN BRINGING FORWARD

20:44APPOINTMENTS INDIVIDUALLY AND

20:46SEPARATELY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

20:49NEXT SLIDE. ON THE SCREEN IS A

20:54MAP OF THE EAST PORTLAND TIF

20:55DISTRICT BOUNDARIES OVERLAID

20:58WITH THE COUNCIL DISTRICT MAP.

21:00THE EAST PORTLAND TIF DISTRICT

21:02SPAN COUNCIL DISTRICTS ONE, TWO

21:05AND THREE. THE ACTIONS FOR

21:07TODAY ARE CONSIDERATION OF ONE

21:09CULLY CLC REAPPOINTMENT AND A

21:11NEW APPOINTMENT TO THE 82ND

21:13AVENUE CLC AND ONE NEW

21:15APPOINTMENT FOR THE SPACE CLC.

21:18NEXT SLIDE. I WANT TO TAKE A

21:23MOMENT TO REITERATE HOW

21:24DIFFERENT THE CO-CREATION

21:26PROCESS IS TODAY COMPARED TO

21:27THE PROCESS THAT LED TO THE

21:29DEVELOPMENT OF PREVIOUS ACTION

21:31PLANS. THE CULLY CO-CREATION

21:33MODEL SERVED AS THE BLUEPRINT

21:35FOR THE OTHER CLC. WE HAVE

21:38BUILT ON THAT MODEL TO CREATE A

21:40MORE COLLABORATIVE PROCESS TO

21:42DEVELOP ACTION PLANS THAT

21:44DIRECT INVESTMENT PRIORITIES.

21:46WITH REGARDS TO THE TIMELINE

21:48TIMELINE ON SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE

21:49THAT EACH TIF DISTRICT IS ON A

21:52DIFFERENT POINT IN TIME. CULLY

21:55DISTRICT PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN

21:56LATE 2022, AND THE INAUGURAL

21:58CLC WAS APPOINTED IN 23. THE

22:03CLC THEN WORKED THROUGH THE

22:04ACTION PLANNING PROCESS OVER

22:05THE COURSE OF TWO YEARS, AND IN

22:0826, PROSPER PORTLAND, THE

22:10PORTLAND HOUSING BUREAU AND THE

22:12CULLY CO-CHAIRS PRESENTED THE

22:14ACTION PLAN FOR ADOPTION TO

22:15THIS COUNCIL. THE CLC HAS NOW

22:19MOVED INTO IMPLEMENTATION AND

22:20ONGOING OVERSIGHT. THE DISTRICT

22:23PLANS FOR THE THREE NEWER

22:25DISTRICTS WERE ADOPTED IN 24,

22:27FOLLOWED BY THE APPOINTMENT OF

22:28THEIR INAUGURAL CLC IN 2025.

22:32ALL THREE CLCS ARE CURRENTLY IN

22:34THE ACTION PLANNING PROCESS,

22:36AND WE ANTICIPATE BRINGING

22:38THEIR ACTION PLANS TO COUNCIL

22:40FOR CONSIDERATION IN 27. NEXT

22:43SLIDE. NOW, AS YOU MAY RECALL,

22:49THE DISTRICT PLAN SETS THE LONG

22:51TERM VISION, GOALS AND GUIDING

22:55PRINCIPLES FOR THE DISTRICT. IT

22:57ALSO ESTABLISHES THE FRAMEWORK

22:59FOR IMPLEMENTATION AND

23:00DETERMINES WHICH PROJECTS ARE

23:03LEGALLY ELIGIBLE FOR TIF

23:04RESOURCES. THE ACTION PLAN

23:06BUILDS ON THAT FOUNDATION, BUT

23:08LOOKS AT A SHORTER FIVE YEAR

23:10WINDOW. IT'S A CO-CREATED

23:13DOCUMENT THAT ALIGNS WITH THE

23:15OVERALL 30 YEAR DISTRICT PLAN,

23:17WHILE IDENTIFYING THE

23:18PRIORITIES, INVESTMENTS, AND

23:21OUTCOMES FOR THAT FIVE YEAR

23:22PERIOD. AND BECAUSE ACTION

23:25PLANS ARE UPDATED EVERY FIVE

23:26YEARS UNTIL THE DISTRICT CLOSES,

23:28WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO

23:30RESPOND TO WHAT'S CHANGING ON

23:32THE GROUND. THAT MEANS

23:34INCORPORATING EVOLVING

23:35COMMUNITY PRIORITIES, LESSONS

23:37LEARNED FROM PREVIOUS

23:39INVESTMENTS, AND CHANGING

23:40MARKET CONDITIONS AS WE MOVE

23:42FORWARD. NEXT SLIDE. THE CLCS

23:48ARE INTENTIONALLY STRUCTURED TO

23:49BRING TOGETHER A BROAD RANGE OF

23:52EXPERIENCES AND PERSPECTIVES TO

23:53HELP GUIDE THE WORK OF EACH TIF

23:55DISTRICT. THESE MEMBERS WORK IN

23:58CO-CREATION WITH PROSPER

23:59PORTLAND AND FHB STAFF TO

24:01ADVISE DECISION MAKERS, HELP

24:03SET PRIORITIES AND INVESTMENTS,

24:05AND PROVIDE OVERSIGHT AS THE

24:07DISTRICT PLAN IS IMPLEMENTED,

24:09AND WHAT MAKES THIS MODEL

24:11PARTICULARLY VALUABLE IS THE

24:12RANGE OF PERSPECTIVES MEMBERS

24:14BRING TO THE TABLE. TO BE

24:17ELIGIBLE TO BECOME A CLC MEMBER,

24:19A PERSON MUST SELF-ATTEST TO

24:21LIVE, WORK, WORSHIP, HAVE

24:24CHILDREN ENROLLED IN SCHOOL, OR

24:25HAVE BEEN DISPLACED FROM WITHIN

24:27THEIR RESPECTIVE TIF DISTRICT

24:29BOUNDARY. MEMBERS ARE NOMINATED

24:31BY PROSPER PORTLAND AND PH. B

24:33THROUGH THE MAYOR AND

24:35ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY CITY

24:37COUNCIL. WE ALSO WORK TO ENSURE

24:41THAT THE CLCS REFLECT THE

24:43DIVERSITY OF THE COMMUNITIES

24:44THEY REPRESENT, PARTICULARLY

24:47POPULATIONS THAT ARE

24:49DISPROPORTIONATELY VULNERABLE

24:50TO DISPLACEMENT. AND ULTIMATELY,

24:52IT'S IMPORTANT THAT MEMBERS

24:54UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT THE

24:55STABILIZATION AND INCLUSIVE

24:57GROWTH GOALS OF THEIR

24:58RESPECTIVE TIF PLANS SO THAT

25:00THE WORK STAYS GROUNDED IN THE

25:02PRIORITIES AND VALUES THE

25:03COMMUNITY HAS CALLED FOR. NEXT

25:06SLIDE. PROSPER PORTLAND AND THE

25:10PORTLAND HOUSING BUREAU

25:11CO-CONVENED CLC EVALUATION

25:13COMMITTEES TO EVALUATE AND

25:15ULTIMATELY RECOMMEND THE TWO

25:17CANDIDATES TO FILL THE

25:18VACANCIES FOR 82ND AVENUE AND

25:20SPACE. AN EVALUATION COMMITTEE

25:23WAS NOT CONVENED FOR THE CULLY

25:24DISTRICT AS THEY ARE

25:26REAPPOINTING A CURRENT CLC

25:28MEMBER. NEXT SLIDE. NOW WE TURN

25:34TO HIGHLIGHTING THE INCREDIBLE

25:36INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE STEPPED UP

25:38TO VOLUNTEER FOR THIS IMPORTANT

25:40TASK. I RECOGNIZE THE FULL

25:42BIOGRAPHY AND STATEMENT OF

25:43INTEREST IS INCLUDED IN THE

25:45COUNCIL ITEM, BUT I DO WANT TO

25:46PROVIDE A FEW BRIEF HIGHLIGHTS

25:48FOR EACH CANDIDATE. I WOULD

25:51LIKE TO INTRODUCE RENATA, WHO

25:53IS BEING RECOMMENDED FOR

25:55APPOINTMENT TO THE 82ND AVENUE

25:57CLC. UNFORTUNATELY, RENATA

25:59COULD NOT JOIN US TODAY DUE TO

26:01A PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED AND

26:03WELL-DESERVED VACATION OVERSEAS.

26:07HOWEVER, I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT

26:08HER PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE IN

26:10PLANNING AND LAND USE AND HER

26:12EXCITEMENT TO LEARNING MORE

26:13ABOUT WAYS TO SUPPORT THE 82ND

26:16AVENUE COMMUNITY. NEXT SLIDE.

26:22I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE CONTEXT OF

26:24WHERE THESE NOMINATIONS FIT

26:25WITHIN THE EXISTING LEADERSHIP

26:27COMMITTEES. AS YOU CAN SEE,

26:29RENATA WILL BE FILLING A SINGLE

26:32VACANCY ON THE 82ND AVENUE SILK

26:35ROSTER. NEXT SLIDE. OUR NEXT

26:39CANDIDATE IS VICTOR ROME. THE

26:41THIRD. HE IS AN ATTORNEY AND A

26:43BOARD MEMBER OF THE COLUMBIA

26:44CORRIDOR ASSOCIATION, AN

26:46IMPORTANT STAKEHOLDER FOR THE

26:47INDUSTRIAL SECTOR WITHIN THE

26:49DISTRICT. IN HIS CAPACITY AS

26:51ATTORNEY, VICTOR HAS ADVISED A

26:54NUMBER OF TIF DISTRICTS, AND WE

26:56LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING HIS

26:57INSIGHT AND EXPERTISE. NEXT

27:00SLIDE. AS WITH RENATA, VICTOR

27:04IS FILLING A SINGLE VACANCY ON

27:07THE SPACE CLC ROSTER. NEXT

27:11SLIDE. I'M NOW PLEASED TO

27:16REINTRODUCE SKY WATERS, WHO'S

27:17ALSO UNABLE TO JOIN US THIS

27:19AFTERNOON. SKY HAS SERVED ON

27:21THE CLC SINCE ITS INCEPTION AND

27:23WANTS TO MAINTAIN THE

27:25CONTINUITY TO ENSURE THE GOALS,

27:27COMMUNITY PRIORITIES AND

27:28FUNDING ALLOCATIONS IDENTIFIED

27:30IN THE ACTION PLAN ARE

27:32REFLECTED IN THE INVESTMENTS

27:33DURING THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE.

27:35WE THANK SKY FOR HIS DEDICATION

27:37TO THIS WORK AND HIS INTEREST

27:39IN A REAPPOINTMENT. NEXT SLIDE.

27:44AS YOU CAN SEE, SKY IS BEING

27:46REAPPOINTED AS PART OF PROSPER

27:48PORTLAND'S SET OF NOMINEES IN

27:50CULLY. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO

27:53HIGHLIGHT THAT THE CULLY CLC

27:54HAS BEEN WORKING FOR THREE PLUS

27:56YEARS ON ITS ACTION PLAN. THE

27:58MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE HAVE

27:59WORKED TIRELESSLY TO CREATE THE

28:01PLAN. SEVERAL MEMBERS WILL BE

28:03LEAVING THE CLC AS THEIR TERMS

28:04EXPIRE TO FOCUS ON FAMILY

28:06HEALTH OR NEW BUSINESS VENTURES.

28:09OF NOTE, THE CLC CHARTER ALLOWS

28:12COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO STAY ON A

28:14COMMITTEE PAST THEIR TERM

28:17EXPIRATION AND UNTIL THEY HAVE

28:19BEEN REPLACED. ALL OUTGOING

28:22MEMBERS HAVE VOLUNTEERED TO

28:24STAY THROUGH THEIR REPLACEMENT

28:26IN JANUARY, WHICH IS WHEN WE'LL

28:28BE BRINGING NEW APPOINTMENTS TO

28:30THIS BODY. THEIR GENEROSITY AND

28:33COMMITMENT WILL ALLOW THE CULLY

28:35SILK TO CONTINUE MEETING AND

28:38CONDUCTING WORK OVER THE NEXT

28:39FEW MONTHS WITHOUT A QUORUM

28:41ISSUE. PROSPER PORTLAND AND HB

28:44ARE RUNNING A RECRUITMENT

28:45PROCESS TO BRING IN NEW MEMBERS

28:47WHO WILL CARRY THIS WORK

28:49FORWARD. WE WILL TALK ABOUT

28:51THIS MORE IN A FUTURE SESSION,

28:52BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ONE OF

28:54THE FIRST TO SAY, ON BEHALF OF

28:56THE AGENCY, THAT I THANK EACH

28:57AND EVERY ONE OF THESE

28:59COMMUNITY MEMBERS FOR THEIR

29:00TIME AND SERVICE IN BRINGING

29:01THE CULLY TIF DISTRICTS ACTION

29:02PLAN TO FRUITION. THE WORK IS

29:06BETTER BECAUSE YOU ARE A PART

29:07OF IT. NEXT SLIDE. I WILL CLOSE

29:13OUT WITH THIS SLIDE THAT

29:14PROVIDES A TIMELINE FOR FOR

29:16UPCOMING APPOINTMENTS FOR BOTH

29:18THE CULLY, CLC AND EAST 205

29:21VACANCIES. BOTH CLC ARE DOING

29:23THEIR RECRUITMENTS NOW AND WILL

29:25MOVE INTO THE SELECTION PROCESS

29:27IN THE FINAL MONTHS OF THIS

29:29YEAR. TOGETHER WITH HB, WE

29:33ANTICIPATE RETURNING TO CITY

29:34COUNCIL IN JANUARY OF 27 WITH A

29:37REQUEST TO APPROVE THE NEXT

29:39GROUP OF NOMINEES. NEXT SLIDE.

29:44WITH THIS INFORMATION,

29:45COUNCILORS PROSPER PORTLAND

29:47REQUESTS THAT THE COMMITTEE

29:49RECOMMEND COUNCIL APPROVAL OF

29:51THE PROPOSED NOMINEES. THANK

29:53YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND

29:55CONSIDERATION. I'M HAPPY TO

29:56ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU

29:57MAY HAVE.

29:58>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR WESLEY.

30:00SO BEFORE WE DETERMINE IF THIS

30:01IS JUST A TECHNICAL QUESTIONS

30:03OR ANYTHING ELSE, IS THERE

30:05TESTIMONY ON THIS ONE?

30:08>> NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP.

30:10>> OKAY. SO WE'LL JUST OPEN IT

30:11UP FOR COUNCILOR DISCUSSION

30:13QUESTIONS AND ALSO QUESTIONS OF

30:14THE APPOINTEES. I DIRECTOR

30:17WESLEY, DID YOU SAY. THAT OUR

30:19FIRST THE FIRST AND THIRD ARE

30:20NOT PRESENT? THAT'S CORRECT. IS

30:23VICTOR PRESENT? OKAY, I SEE HIM.

30:25SO JUST SO COLLEAGUES MAY KNOW

30:27IF THEY HAVE A QUESTION AND I

30:28WILL AT SOME POINT. SO FEEL

30:30FREE TO COME UP, VICTOR. BUT

30:32YEAH, WE'LL GO INTO THE QUEUE.

30:34COUNCILOR SMITH.

30:36>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK

30:37YOU, DIRECTOR WESLEY. QUESTION.

30:39I COULDN'T TELL, PARTICULARLY

30:41WITH THE 82ND GROUP. I COULDN'T

30:45TELL WHO'S IN DISTRICT ONE OR

30:47DISTRICT THREE BECAUSE WE

30:48BORDER ON 82ND AVENUE. SO ARE

30:50ALL THOSE. CAN YOU SEND ME

30:53SOMETHING THAT TELLS ME WHICH

30:54ONE OF THESE APPOINTEES OR CLC

30:57MEMBERS ARE IN DISTRICT ONE?

31:02>> YES, MA'AM. I'LL MAKE NOTE

31:03OF THAT.

31:06>> THANK YOU.

31:09>> GREAT. I HAVE A FEW PROCESS

31:13QUESTIONS. SO I GUESS FIRST

31:15THING YOU KNOW, WE WE NORMALLY,

31:17AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WOULD

31:19HAVE SKY JUST PRESENT IF

31:21POSSIBLE FOR QUESTIONS. NOT A

31:22PROBLEM THERE. WE'VE DONE THIS

31:23WITH REAPPOINTMENTS BEFORE. SO

31:25I HAVE NO CONCERN THERE. AND

31:27I'M GRATEFUL THAT VICTOR IS

31:28HERE. AND I'LL ASK YOU A

31:29QUESTION IN A MOMENT, SIR. THE

31:31OTHER QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU,

31:33DIRECTOR WESLEY, WITH RELATION

31:34TO THE UPCOMING RECRUITMENTS.

31:37SO IT LOOKS LIKE TO AVOID A

31:39QUORUM ISSUE, BOTH THE CURRENT

31:40FOLKS STAYING ON IN CULLY AND

31:42THE. THE REAPPOINTMENT HELP YOU

31:44WHILE THE RECRUITMENT IS

31:46UNDERWAY AND APPLICATIONS

31:47CLOSED TWO DAYS AGO. IT LOOKS

31:49LIKE FROM THE SLIDES. OCTOBER

31:5119TH.

31:52>> YES, SIR.

31:53>> WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT

31:55RECRUITMENT TO HAVE BEEN TO

31:57HAVE YIELDED SUFFICIENT

31:59APPLICANTS? AND BY THAT I MEAN

32:00LIKE TO GIVE YOURSELF YOU.

32:01>> HAVE A GOOD POOL.

32:02>> YEAH. LIKE USUALLY IT'S 2 TO

32:041. IN MY EXPERIENCE, AS A

32:06MINIMUM.

32:06>> I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP

32:07WITH THAT BECAUSE I HAVE NOT

32:09HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE

32:10CURRENT POOL, GIVEN THAT IT

32:12JUST CLOSED. SO I WILL RESERVE

32:13MY ANSWER TO THAT. IF YOU ALLOW

32:15ME THE LATITUDE TO FOLLOW UP.

32:17>> YEAH. JUST TO PUT A THAT'S

32:18PERFECTLY FINE, JUST TO PUT A

32:20FINER POINT ON IT, IF IT'S NOT

32:22SUFFICIENTLY LARGE, I WOULD

32:24ENCOURAGE YOU TO TO CONSIDER

32:25REOPENING. YES. COUNCILOR

32:28PIRTLE-GUINEY AND I WERE AT A

32:30AT A EVENT IN CULLY RECENTLY.

32:31WE GOT A GATE OPENED ON THE

32:33WEST SIDE OF SACAJAWEA PARK.

32:35AND I'M GRATEFUL TO THE PARKS

32:36BUREAU FOR GETTING THAT DONE.

32:40AND THERE WERE A LOT OF

32:41COMMUNITY MEMBERS THERE, AND

32:42THEY WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT JUST

32:43THE GATE. THEY WERE TALKING

32:45ABOUT ANYTHING RELATED TO CULLY.

32:46AND, AND SOME QUESTIONS CAME UP

32:48ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR GROUP AND

32:50ITS ABILITY TO REACH. I THINK

32:52THAT I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS

32:54FOR THE QUESTIONS WERE THE SIZE

32:55OF IT RIGHT NOW. IT'S ABILITY

32:57TO REACH BEYOND JUST THE

32:58CURRENT MEMBERS WHO ARE

32:59OBVIOUSLY ABLE TO GIVE THEIR

33:00OWN OPINION AS REPRESENTATIVES

33:02OF THE AREA, BUT ALSO TO KIND

33:03OF BE A CONDUIT FOR OTHER FOLKS

33:05TO GET IN. SO I HAVE AN

33:07INTEREST IN ENSURING THAT

33:08THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AS BROAD A

33:09GROUP AS POSSIBLE OF MEMBERS TO

33:11TRY AND ENSURE THAT ALL OF

33:13CULLY IS ABLE TO GIVE THEIR

33:14VOICE TO THAT.

33:15>> YOU HAVE OUR COMMITMENT TO

33:16MAKE SURE WHAT COMES BEFORE YOU

33:18IS THE BEST THAT THAT COMMUNITY

33:20HAS PRESENTED ITSELF TO BE IN

33:21TERMS OF THE APPLICANT POOL.

33:23WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S A ROBUST

33:24POOL.

33:26>> THANKS. AND THEN, VICTOR, I

33:28SAW IN YOUR BIO THAT YOU HAD

33:31WORKED ON DOWNTOWN VANCOUVER

33:34REDEVELOPMENT.

33:36>> THAT'S CORRECT. I REPRESENT

33:38THE PORT OF VANCOUVER IN

33:39CONNECTION WITH THEIR TAX

33:40INCREMENT FINANCING.

33:42>> AND I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE

33:44THAT'S BEEN A TOPIC THAT

33:45SEVERAL OF US HAVE HAVE RAISED,

33:47IS THE SUCCESS OF THE DOWNTOWN

33:50REVITALIZATION AND THE

33:51WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT IN

33:53VANCOUVER. AND I'M CURIOUS FOR

33:56YOU, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT

33:58YOU FIND OR THAT YOU COULD LET

34:00US KNOW IS, IS SIMILAR BECAUSE

34:01OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A WATERFRONT.

34:02IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VIBE

34:04OF A LOCATION THAN CULLY, WHICH

34:06OBVIOUSLY HAS BUT IS NOT

34:08EXCLUSIVELY WATERFRONT. SO JUST

34:09WANTED TO, TO GET AN IDEA FROM

34:10YOU WHAT YOU FIND RELEVANT OF

34:13THAT EXPERIENCE TO THIS, THIS

34:16TIFF.

34:16>> I THINK THE PRIMARY THING

34:19THAT'S RELEVANT IS TAKING

34:22ADVICE FROM THE COMMUNITY AND

34:25REALLY PUTTING THAT TO WORK.

34:26THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK OVER

34:28ABOUT A DECADE BEFORE THE PORT

34:30OF VANCOUVER PUT A TAX

34:31INCREMENT FINANCING FINANCING

34:33IN PLACE. AND THAT WAS IN PART

34:34BECAUSE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING

34:35DIDN'T EXIST IN WASHINGTON

34:37STATE AT THAT POINT. SO THERE

34:39WAS SOME LOBBYING AS WELL AT

34:41THE STATE LEVEL TO TRY AND GET

34:43THAT TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX. BUT

34:45THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK IN THAT

34:48IN ALL OF THOSE YEARS PRECEDING

34:49EVEN HAVING THE TOOL OF

34:51REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY

34:52AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE

34:53COMMUNITY WANTED TO PRIORITIZE.

34:56IF TIF BECAME A POSSIBILITY AND

34:58THAT LED TO THE WORK THAT'S

35:01BEING DONE ON TERMINAL ONE IN

35:04PARTICULAR, AGAIN, IT'S

35:05ULTIMATELY SUPPOSED TO BE A

35:07MARKETPLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

35:08AND THEN THERE'S ALSO TRAILS

35:09AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. BUT

35:11THAT ALL CAME FROM COMMUNITY

35:12INVOLVEMENT AND LISTENING TO

35:13THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S WHERE

35:14THE CLC PROCESS HERE IN

35:17PORTLAND IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND

35:18LISTENING TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS

35:19AND TRYING TO INCORPORATE THEIR

35:23DESIRES INTO THE USE OF THE TIF

35:25PROCEEDS.

35:27>> AND IN THAT ROLE OR IN THAT,

35:29I GUESS, PROJECT, LIAISING WITH.

35:36CONSISTENT LEADERSHIP AT, YOU

35:38KNOW, HERE WE HAVE PROSPER AND

35:40THE CITY THERE. IT WAS JUST THE

35:42MAYOR, RIGHT? AND THE CITY

35:44GOVERNMENT.

35:44>> WELL, AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY,

35:46IT WAS IT WAS ACTUALLY THE PORT,

35:48RIGHT? SO IT WAS THE PORT

35:51COMMISSION. SO YOU HAVE THREE

35:52COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE ON THE

35:53PORT THAT WERE THE LEADERS THAT.

35:55AND THERE WAS A TURNOVER IN

35:57THOSE TEN YEARS OF WHO THE

35:58PEOPLE WERE ON THAT COMMITTEE.

36:00>> OKAY. YOU'RE GOING EXACTLY

36:01WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR, BECAUSE

36:03I KNOW ON THE CITY SIDE OVER

36:04THERE THAT THEIR FORMER MAYOR,

36:07POLLARD, WAS A VERY BIG

36:08PROPONENT OF THIS WORK. AND SO

36:10MAY YOU REST IN PEACE. AND I

36:12APPRECIATE THAT YOU YOU HAVE

36:14THAT EXPERIENCE TO BRING TO

36:15THIS. I SEE VICE CHAIR RYAN IS

36:17IN THE QUEUE. OH, SURE.

36:18>> THANK YOU. CHAIR VICTOR.

36:20THANKS FOR BEING HERE. I

36:22ACTUALLY WANTED TO CALL OUT.

36:23IT'S GREAT THAT YOU REPRESENT

36:24THE COLUMBIA CORRIDOR

36:25ASSOCIATION. IS THAT RIGHT?

36:26>> YES THAT'S CORRECT.

36:28>> THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR

36:29ESPECIALLY THAT AREA. SO AND I

36:31DO THINK IT'S GREAT THAT YOU

36:33HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF THE

36:34SUCCESS OVER IN VANCOUVER. I

36:36KNOW THE RAILROAD MOVEMENT TOOK

36:38A LONG TIME OVER THERE. SO

36:39THAT'S REALLY BEEN THE STORY IN

36:41VANCOUVER WAS HOW LONG IT TOOK

36:43TO GET THE RAILROADS TO BUDGE,

36:44IF YOU WILL.

36:45>> YEAH, I WAS INVOLVED IN SOME

36:47OF THE FINANCING RELATED TO

36:48THAT AS WELL. SO IT WAS YEAH,

36:50IT WAS A HUGE TASK TO, YOU KNOW,

36:53REARRANGE THAT AND TO GET THAT

36:54TO BE ABLE TO FIT INTO

36:56EVERYTHING.

36:56>> IT'S GREAT THAT YOU HAVE

36:57THAT LIFE EXPERIENCE. I TEND TO

36:59ASK JUST A QUICK QUESTION TO

37:01ANYONE THAT'S COMING ON TO

37:02SERVE, AND WHAT ARE A COUPLE OF

37:03ACTION ITEMS THAT YOU THINK

37:05WOULD HELP SPUR IGNITE BUSINESS

37:06GROWTH IN THAT AREA OF PARKROSE?

37:08SUMNER.

37:11>> I MEAN. IT'S DIFFICULT. I

37:14THINK SOME OF IT IS GOING TO

37:16COME DOWN TO BECAUSE I ALSO

37:18KIND OF LIVE IN THE AREA

37:19FURTHER DOWN SANDY, IS HOW

37:23REDEVELOPMENT OF SANDY CAN BE

37:24SPURRED AND TRYING TO ENCOURAGE

37:26PEOPLE TO MAYBE THAT ARE

37:28PROPERTY OWNERS ON SOME OF

37:29THESE PROPERTIES THAT AREN'T AS

37:30WELL CARED FOR, TO COME TO THE

37:34TABLE AND BE ABLE TO REVITALIZE

37:36AND FIND ALTERNATIVE USES FOR

37:38SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES, I

37:39THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE

37:41IMPORTANT IN THE LONG RUN.

37:43>> I LIKE THAT, THANK YOU.

37:46>> THANK YOU. I FORGOT ONE

37:48QUESTION, WHICH WAS OUR LAST

37:50APPOINTEE. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE

37:52FOR YOU TO WORK WITH THE

37:53COUNCIL PRESIDENT'S OFFICE WHEN

37:55SCHEDULING TO ENSURE THEY CAN

37:57OR NOT CAN CAN BE PRESENT IF

37:58THERE'S QUESTIONS AT THE FULL

37:59COUNCIL?

38:00>> ABSOLUTELY.

38:01>> THANKS, COLLEAGUES.

38:03COUNCILOR SMITH, I THINK THAT'S

38:04A LEGACY. HIM?

38:05>> YES.

38:06>> OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE

38:07ANY OTHER PEOPLE IN THE QUEUE?

38:11SEEING NONE, WE WILL NEED A

38:12MOTION. IT IS ONE FULL REPORT.

38:14SO THIS FOR ALL THREE

38:16APPOINTEES. CAN WE HAVE A

38:18MOTION TO REFER THIS TO THE

38:20FULL COUNCIL WITH THE DUE PASS

38:21RECOMMENDATION?

38:21>> SO MOVED.

38:24>> MOVED BY COUNCILOR RYAN,

38:25SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GREEN. IS

38:26THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION

38:28BEFORE WE MOVE TO A VOTE?

38:30SEEING NONE. DIEGO, WILL YOU

38:31PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?

38:32>> THANK YOU.

38:35>> CLERK.

38:36>> AYE, MORILLO GREEN. I AVALOS.

38:41I DUNPHY. SORRY. ABSENT SMITH.

38:46I PIRTLE-GUINEY I RYAN. I

38:51KOYAMA LANE I MORILLO. I NOVICK.

38:57I KANAL I WITH TEN EYES AND TWO

39:00ABSENT. THE MOTION CARRIES AND

39:02THE REPORT DOCUMENT NUMBER

39:072026-3. SORRY, 2026-355. MOVES

39:13TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE

39:15RECOMMENDATION TO BE ACCEPTED.

39:17>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR WESLEY.

39:18THANK YOU, RENATA, VICTOR AND

39:19SKY FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO

39:20SERVE OUR GUESTS. CONTINUE

39:22SERVING IN SKY'S CASE, AND

39:24WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING

39:25THAT ON A FULL COUNCIL AGENDA.

39:27WITH THAT, CAN DIEGO, CAN YOU

39:29PLEASE CALL ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE

39:31TOGETHER?

39:32>> ITEM FOUR, DOCUMENT NUMBER

39:362026-341. APPOINT THOMAS KEMPER

39:39AND BRIAN HARVEY TO THE HOME

39:41FORWARD BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS

39:42FOR TERMS TO EXPIRE OCTOBER

39:4527TH, 2030. ITEM FIVE. DOCUMENT

39:48NUMBER 2026-342. APPOINT URIAH

39:53EDWARDS TO THE HOME FORWARD

39:54BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FOR A

39:56TERM TO EXPIRE AUGUST 7TH, 2028.

39:59>> THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE

40:00DEPUTY CITY ADMINISTRATOR

40:02DONNIE OLIVEIRA, AND THERE MAY

40:03BE OTHER PRESENTERS ON SOME OF

40:05THIS, AND I'LL LET YOU

40:06INTRODUCE THEM. BUT TAKE IT

40:07AWAY. DCA OLIVEIRA.

40:08>> GREAT. THANK YOU CHAIR. GOOD

40:09AFTERNOON COUNCIL. DONNIE

40:10OLIVEIRA FOR THE RECORD, I'M

40:12GOING TO BE PINCH HITTING HERE

40:13AND STEPPING UP TO. PRESENT THE

40:17FULL PACKAGE IN TWO SEPARATE

40:19PRESENTATIONS. I'M JOINED BY

40:22GRISHAM COUNCIL PRESIDENT KATHY

40:24KEITHLEY AND CHAIR OF HOME

40:26FORWARD BOARD JENNIE KIM. BUT

40:28LET'S GO AHEAD AND START THE

40:30SLIDE. AND WE'RE STARTING WITH

40:31THE GRESHAM REPRESENTATIVE

40:32FIRST, JUST FOR COUNCIL'S

40:34PROCESS RECOGNITION. NEXT SLIDE

40:36PLEASE. OKAY, SO FIRST AGENDA

40:41ITEM IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF

40:43THE GRESHAM APPOINTEE TO THE

40:44HOME FORWARD BOARD. WE'RE GOING

40:46TO COVER BRIEFLY ABOUT HOME

40:47FORWARD. TALK ABOUT THE

40:48COMMISSION APPOINTMENT AND THEN

40:50DISCUSS THE APPOINTEE

40:52THEMSELVES AND THE COUNCIL

40:54PRESIDENT ON. YES SHE IS. HI.

40:58NICE TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU FOR

41:00JOINING US.

41:00>> AND SO THANK YOU.

41:01>> SO WE'LL RUN THROUGH THIS

41:03REAL QUICK. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

41:05OKAY, SO REAL QUICK, I JUST

41:06WANTED TO JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S

41:09PERSPECTIVE, JUST ENSURING THAT

41:10PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT HOME

41:12FORWARD IS THE PUBLIC HOUSING

41:14AUTHORITY FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY

41:15OF MULTNOMAH AND IS THE LARGEST

41:17PROVIDER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING

41:18FOR THE CITY, COUNTY AND IN THE

41:20STATE. THEIR MISSION IS TO

41:21CREATE A BETTER COMMUNITY BY

41:23PROVIDING HOUSING STABILITY

41:24THROUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING

41:25DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING CHOICE,

41:26EXPANSION SERVICES THAT SUPPORT

41:28QUALITY OF LIFE. AND OF COURSE,

41:30THEY ADVOCATE FOR TO IMPROVE

41:31LOCAL AND NATIONAL HOUSING

41:33SYSTEMS. AND WE HAVE SOME

41:34NUMBERS UP THERE FOR YOUR

41:37BACKGROUND. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

41:40PLEASE. SO FOR THE GRESHAM

41:44APPOINTMENTS, BEFORE WE GET

41:46INTO THAT, JUST AS A REMINDER,

41:47THERE ARE NINE MEMBERS OF THE

41:49BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. FIVE

41:50ARE RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY OF

41:52PORTLAND, TWO BY MULTNOMAH

41:54COUNTY AND TWO BY THE CITY OF

41:56GRESHAM. ALL THE APPOINTEES ARE

41:57REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH PORTLAND

41:58CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, AND

41:59THAT'S BY RESOLUTION AND

42:01INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT.

42:02AND THAT'S A SITUATION THAT'S

42:03ESTABLISHED BETWEEN THE TWO

42:04CITIES AND THE COUNTY. NEXT

42:06SLIDE PLEASE. AND JUST FOR A

42:09PROCESS PERSPECTIVE, THE MAYOR

42:12OF GRESHAM AND THEIR CITY

42:13COUNCIL COORDINATE WITH THE

42:15CITY MANAGER TO MAKE A

42:16RECOMMENDATION ON APPOINTMENTS,

42:18WHICH IS THEN APPROVED BY THIS

42:20BODY RIGHT HERE. AND COUNCIL

42:23PRESIDENT KEITHLEY DOES. DO YOU

42:24WANT TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT

42:26ABOUT YOUR PROCESS HERE, PLEASE?

42:29>> SURE. THE OBVIOUSLY, THE

42:32APPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD IS A

42:35PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT ROLE FOR

42:36THE CITY OF GRESHAM BECAUSE

42:38HOME FORWARD SUCCESS IS GRESHAM

42:40SUCCESS. SO WE'RE VERY DEEPLY

42:42COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT

42:43WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT

42:45REPRESENTS US AS WELL AS JUST

42:47PROVIDES KNOWLEDGE FOR HOME

42:49FORWARD. SO WE DID OUR DUE

42:51DILIGENCE. WE REALLY FOUND A

42:54PERSON WHO HAS BOTH EXPERIENCE

42:57WITH HOUSING CURRENTLY ON OUR

42:59ONE OF OUR HOUSING COMMITTEES.

43:02HE SERVES AS CHAIR ON THAT

43:03COMMITTEE, BUT HE ALSO HAS

43:04LIVED EXPERIENCE IN THIS

43:05COMMUNITY. SO WE JUST FEEL LIKE

43:07HE'S A GREAT APPOINTEE FOR THIS

43:10BOARD, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO

43:12HAVING HIM BE APPOINTED AND GET

43:13TO WORK. WE CERTAINLY NEED TO

43:15FILL OUR CONTINGENT OF OPEN

43:17BOARD SEATS.

43:19>> GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

43:20AND WITH THAT NEXT SLIDE,

43:22PLEASE. AND THE NEXT, WE ARE

43:26PLEASED TO RECOMMEND URIAH

43:28EDMONDS, WHO'S IN CHAMBERS WITH

43:29US TODAY FOR THE APPOINTMENT,

43:32AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY OF

43:33GRESHAM. AND AS YOU CAN SEE

43:34HERE, HE'S A COMMUNITY LEADER

43:35IN GRESHAM AND A BUSINESS OWNER.

43:38HE SERVED ON THE CITY OF

43:39GRESHAM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

43:40AND HOUSING SUBCOMMITTEE, WHICH

43:41IS MATERIAL TO THIS TOPIC. OF

43:43COURSE, HE'S BEEN DESCRIBED AS

43:45ANALYTICAL AND COLLABORATIVE

43:46AND HAS LIVED EXPERIENCE

43:48GROWING UP IN SUBSIDIZED

43:49HOUSING AND TENDS TO USE THAT

43:52AND WITH PUBLIC SERVICE

43:53EXPERIENCE TO SUPPORT HOME

43:54FORWARD AS A BOARD MEMBER. JUST

43:57FOR CONTEXT, HE'LL BE SERVING A

43:59SEAT THAT WOULD END. THAT TERM

44:01WOULD END IN AUGUST OF 2028.

44:04AND SO, AS I SAID, YOUR EYES IN

44:05THE ROOM, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS

44:07FOR HIM AND COUNSELORS WITH

44:08THAT, THAT IS THE FIRST

44:10RECOMMENDATION FOR THE HOME

44:11FORWARD BOARD, THE CITY OF

44:12GRESHAM SEAT.

44:14>> THANK YOU. I WANTED TO JUST

44:15FIRST MAKE A HOUSEKEEPING NOTE

44:17WHEN IT WAS READ OUT LOUD

44:20EARLIER AND WHEN IT WAS

44:21ORIGINALLY FILED, THE DOCUMENT

44:23HAD MR. EDMONDS'S NAME IN ERROR.

44:28AS EDWARDS SAID, EDMONDS, I

44:30BELIEVE EDMONDS IS THE CORRECT

44:31LAST NAME THAT HAS BEEN UPDATED.

44:34WE DID GET THAT CORRECTED AND I

44:35JUST APOLOGIZE FOR THE ERROR

44:36AND JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE

44:38THAT WAS ON THE RECORD THAT

44:39THAT THE PERSON THAT IS BEING

44:41CONSIDERED FOR APPOINTMENT

44:42TODAY IS NAMED URIAH EDMONDS.

44:44YEAH. IS THIS A GOOD PLACE TO

44:46TO OPEN UP THE CONVERSATION

44:48BEFORE WE. OKAY, COLLEAGUES,

44:50WOULD YOU LIKE TO WE DO HAVE

44:51TESTIMONY ON THIS ONE. SO WE'RE

44:53GOING TO DO ANY QUESTIONS OF

44:55THE APPOINTEES AND, AND OTHER

44:59JUST KIND OF PROCESS QUESTIONS

45:00BEFORE WE GO TO TO TESTIMONY.

45:06YEAH. TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. AND

45:07THEN WE WILL DO THIS AGAIN ON

45:08THE OTHER REPORT AND THEN OPEN

45:10UP TESTIMONY TOGETHER JUST TO

45:11AS A PROCESS NOTE. VICE CHAIR

45:13RYAN.

45:14>> QUICK QUESTION. HOW MANY

45:15PROPERTIES DO WE HAVE IN

45:16GRESHAM?

45:17>> OH, THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

45:19COUNCILOR. I'M GONNA HAVE TO

45:20GET SOME STAFF TO HELP ME BACK

45:22THAT UP. SO ONE SECOND. I'LL

45:30HAVE TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL.

45:31WE'RE WORKING ON IT. OKAY.

45:36>> WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING SO MUCH

45:37ON THE ONES CLOSER TO PORTLAND,

45:40ESPECIALLY IN DISTRICT TWO,

45:41THAT IT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW.

45:43>> CAN I COME UP?

45:44>> YEAH. OH, YEAH. PLEASE. YEAH.

45:46>> I LOVE IT. ONE OF THE

45:47APPOINTEES MIGHT KNOW THE

45:48ANSWER.

45:49>> YEAH.

45:49>> I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE ONE

45:51IN COMPLETION OR WORKING ON

45:52COMPLETION RIGHT NOW. IT'S A

45:54$60,000,000.60 UNIT BRAND NEW

45:56COMPLEX BEING BUILT IN OUR

45:58CIVIC STATION. AND I ALSO KNOW

46:00A COUPLE OF OTHERS. I THINK

46:01CATHY, WHO'S ON MIGHT BE ABLE

46:03TO, TO MAYBE SPEAK ON THAT TOO.

46:04BUT I DO KNOW THE BIG ONE RIGHT

46:07IN OUR BACKYARD IS, YOU KNOW,

46:08RIGHT THERE IN THE HEART OF OUR

46:10CITY IS BEING COMPLETED RIGHT

46:12NOW.

46:12>> AND THEN THERE'S VOUCHERS IN

46:14SOME OTHER.

46:14>> THE VOUCHERS. YES, THERE'S

46:16QUITE A FEW OF THE VOUCHER

46:18SYSTEMS WITHIN.

46:19>> THE HISTORY, BUT NOW THERE'S

46:20A NEW ONE, A NEW BUILDING

46:22COMING UP. YES. OKAY.

46:23>> COUNCILOR, THERE ARE TWO.

46:24>> INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE

46:25RECORD. SORRY.

46:26>> OH. I'M SORRY. URIAH EDMONDS,

46:28THANK YOU. YEAH, THE APPOINTEE

46:30FOR GRESHAM. THANK YOU.

46:31>> SORRY. GO FOR DC.

46:32>> SORRY. THERE'S THERE'S

46:33THERE'S 12 ACTIVE PROPERTIES IN

46:35GRESHAM.

46:35>> IS THAT TO COUNT? LIKE

46:37THERE'S VOUCHERS IN A BUILDING

46:38AS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES.

46:39>> THOSE ARE JUST THE ONES

46:41LISTED UNDER THE HOME FORWARDS

46:42PURVIEW.

46:42>> OKAY. THAT'S A YES. OKAY.

46:45>> OKAY. COUNCILOR. MORILLO.

46:46FOLLOWED BY COUNCILOR. NOVICK.

46:51>> YEAH. CHAIR, IS THIS THE

46:52RIGHT TIME TO JUST ASK THE

46:54QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD PREPARED

46:55FOR THESE FOLKS, OR SHOULD WE

46:56HOLD OFF ON THAT? AFTER

46:58TESTIMONY?

46:59>> YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF OF

47:00MR. EDMONDS. WE'RE GOING TO GET

47:02TO THE OTHER TWO IN A MOMENT.

47:04SO IF YOU HAVE IF YOU WANT TO

47:06WAIT AND ASK ALL THREE TOGETHER

47:08AFTER THOSE TWO HAVE BEEN

47:08INTRODUCED, IF THEY'RE THE SAME

47:10QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE AS WELL.

47:11>> OH, GOTCHA. OKAY. I'M SORRY.

47:13I WILL TAKE MYSELF OUT OF THE

47:14QUEUE FOR NOW. THANK YOU.

47:16>> OKAY. AND I SEE EVERYONE

47:17ELSE IN THE QUEUE HAS DONE THE

47:19SAME. SO I WILL ASK YOU TO STAY

47:21AROUND JUST IN CASE THERE ARE

47:22QUESTIONS FOR YOU, AND THEN

47:23PASS IT BACK TO DCA OLIVEIRA

47:25FOR OUR OTHER TWO PROPOSED

47:26NOMINEES.

47:27>> GREAT. THANK YOU. SO NOW

47:28WE'RE GOING TO PIVOT TO THE THE

47:30TWO REPRESENTATIVES THAT WOULD

47:32JOIN ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF

47:34PORTLAND. ALL RIGHT. NEXT SLIDE

47:38PLEASE. AND NEXT SLIDE. AND

47:44AGAIN, PLEASE. THANK YOU. SO

47:49SAME SLIDE AS THE GRESHAM DECK.

47:50BUT I REALLY WANTED TO TAKE A

47:52MOMENT TO EMPHASIZE ON THIS

47:53SLIDE. THERE ARE FIVE SEATS FOR

47:55THE CITY OF PORTLAND, ONE OF

47:56WHICH MUST BE A HOME FORWARD

47:58RESIDENT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE

47:59SEATS THAT WE'RE FILLING TODAY.

48:02AND ALL THE INFORMATION IS

48:03CONSISTENT FROM THE LAST SLIDE,

48:04PLEASE. SO THIS IS, I THINK, AN

48:07IMPORTANT DETAIL TO SHARE FOR

48:09FOR THIS GROUP RELATED TO THE

48:11APPOINTMENT PROCESS FOR

48:12PORTLAND. SO IN THE PAST, HOME

48:14FORWARD STAFF HAVE LED THE

48:16RECRUITMENT AND MADE

48:17RECOMMENDATIONS OR SUGGESTED

48:19POTENTIAL APPOINTEES TO THE

48:20COMMISSIONER IN CHARGE. AND

48:22THAT WAS IN THE PAST, OF COURSE,

48:23FORM OF GOVERNMENT OR THE MAYOR

48:25FOR CONSIDERATION, THEN

48:26ULTIMATELY GOING TO COUNCIL FOR

48:27APPROVAL FOR THE TWO APPOINTEES

48:29BEFORE YOU TODAY, THOSE THOSE

48:33TWO IN CONCERT WITH HOME FOR

48:36BUT LARGELY LED BY THE MAYOR,

48:39WERE SELECTED AND MADE AS

48:41RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU ALL. BUT

48:43GOING FORWARD, THE HOME FORWARD

48:45BOARD WILL BE PARTNERING WITH

48:46THE CITY ON DEVELOPING A

48:47NOMINATION PROCESS FOR

48:48PORTLAND'S FIVE SEATS THAT WILL

48:50BE OVERSEEN BY A NOMINATION

48:51COMMITTEE MADE UP OF KEY

48:52STAKEHOLDERS. SO WE'VE BEEN

48:54WORKING WITH THE HOME FORWARD

48:56BOARD CHAIR JENNY KIM ON

48:57OUTLINING THAT PROCESS. WE WANT

48:59TO BE A PARTNER AT THE TABLE TO

49:00ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A

49:02TRANSPARENT PROCESS THAT IS

49:03VETTED WITH A VARIETY OF

49:04STAKEHOLDERS THAT WOULD

49:05ULTIMATELY MAKE MAKE A

49:06RECOMMENDATION OF POTENTIAL

49:08NOMINEES TO THE MAYOR FOR HIS

49:09ULTIMATE SELECTION TO YOU ALL.

49:11BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE

49:12PROCESS AFTER THESE TWO

49:14APPOINTEES. AND WE'LL ALSO

49:15ACKNOWLEDGE THE COUNCIL

49:17PRESIDENT FROM GRESHAM ALLUDED

49:18TO THIS, BUT IS IMPORTANT TO

49:19FILL THESE SEATS AS SOON AS

49:21POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE ARE RUNNING

49:23UP AGAINST QUORUM ISSUES AT THE

49:24AT HOME FORWARD. AND SO GETTING

49:26THESE SEATS FILLED IS IS TIMELY.

49:28AND WITH THAT, WE'LL START TO

49:30DISCUSS THE APPOINTEES, I

49:31BELIEVE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE

49:35FIRST PERSON I'M WELCOME AND

49:36PLEASED TO WELCOME IS BRIAN

49:38HARVEY. HE HAS BEEN A HOME FOR

49:40RESIDENT SINCE 2013. HE HAS

49:42BEEN ACTIVE IN AS A TENANT IN

49:46HIS HIS PLACE OF RESIDENCE.

49:49HE'S BEEN A PART OF THE TENANTS

49:50UNION AND AND JOINED THERE IN

49:52THE SPRING OF 2025. HE'S

49:54CO-CHAIR OF THE PEARL DISTRICT

49:55NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION

49:56AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE,

49:58AND HE'S A VERY KEEN TO SERVE

49:59ON THE BOARD TO REPRESENT HIS

50:02FELLOW TENANTS. AND HIS TERM

50:04WOULD BE A FOUR YEAR TERM THAT

50:06WOULD EXPIRE IN 2030. NEXT

50:08SLIDE PLEASE. ALSO FOR YOUR

50:12CONSIDERATION IS THOMAS KEMPER.

50:14THOMAS HAS HAD A VERY ACTIVE

50:16ROLE IN OREGON'S HOUSING

50:18ECOSYSTEM. HE'S EAGER TO

50:19PROVIDE HIS EXPERTISE RELATED

50:21TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND

50:23ADDRESSING THE HOUSING CRISIS

50:24IN PORTLAND. HE TOO WOULD BE

50:26SERVING A FOUR YEAR TERM. AND

50:27WE HAVE BRIAN JOINING US ONLINE.

50:29AND THOMAS IS IN CHAMBERS, IF

50:32YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM.

50:34AND THAT WRAPS OUR PRESENTATION

50:36OF THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS.

50:39>> GREAT. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY,

50:40FOR BEING HERE AS WELL. CAN I

50:42JUST GET A QUICK CLARIFICATION?

50:43IT'S SLIDE EIGHT. YOU WERE

50:45SAYING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE

50:48A PROCESS FOR ALL FIVE OF THE

50:50PORTLAND APPOINTEES.

50:51>> GOING GOING FORWARD IN THE

50:53IN THE EVENT THERE'S ANOTHER

50:54PORTLAND SEAT THAT BECOMES

50:56AVAILABLE.

50:56>> OKAY. IT'S NOT A PLANNED.

50:57YEAH. THERE'S NOT A VACANCY

50:59COMING UP.

50:59>> NOT CURRENTLY.

51:00>> OKAY. THAT. THANK YOU FOR

51:02THAT. AND I SHOULD I'M REMISS

51:04FOR NOT PREVIOUSLY THANKING

51:05COUNCIL PRESIDENT KEITH LEE FOR

51:07BEING HERE AS WELL. I REALLY

51:08APPRECIATE IT. ALWAYS NICE TO

51:09HAVE OUR NEIGHBORS JOINING US.

51:11COLLEAGUES. ARE THERE ANY OTHER

51:13QUESTIONS? NOW WOULD BE THE

51:14TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE

51:15APPOINTEES, AND I'LL GO TO

51:18COUNCILOR PIRTLE-GUINEY FIRST.

51:25>> THERE WE GO. THANK YOU,

51:27CHAIR, AND I AM SORRY TO NOT BE

51:28IN THE ROOM WITH YOU ALL TODAY.

51:30I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS

51:32FOR THE NOMINEES. I'LL START

51:34WITH MR. HARVEY. FIRST OF ALL,

51:38THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT

51:40YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE TO BRING

51:42TENANTS TOGETHER TO ADVOCATE

51:44FOR FOR YOUR NEEDS IN YOUR

51:46HOUSING. IN MY DISTRICT, ON THE

51:50EAST SIDE OF THE RIVER AND

51:51NORTHEAST PORTLAND, THERE ARE A

51:52NUMBER OF LARGER TOWERS THAT

51:55ARE REALLY STRUGGLING. AND I AM

51:58WONDERING HOW YOU WOULD, AS A

52:01TENANT REPRESENTATIVE ON THE

52:03BOARD, PLAN TO REACH OUT TO

52:05TENANTS IN OTHER BUILDINGS,

52:07SOME OF WHICH DON'T HAVE THEIR

52:08OWN ORGANIZATIONS, DON'T HAVE

52:10TENANT UNIONS, AND HAVE REALLY

52:12STRUGGLED TO ADVOCATE FOR THEIR

52:14OWN NEEDS WITHIN THE HOME

52:15FORWARD ORGANIZATION.

52:19>> WELL, WHAT I'D SAY,

52:21COUNCILOR, IS THAT IF YOU HAVE

52:23THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR

52:24ANYBODY IN THOSE BUILDINGS AND

52:27SOMEBODY CAN ACTUALLY GET ME

52:28INSIDE THE BUILDING, THAT'S THE

52:30FIRST STEP. SO THE FIRST STEP

52:32IS TO GET INTO THE BUILDING OR

52:35TO MAKE CONTACT WITH AN INITIAL

52:37PERSON, AND THEN THAT PERSON

52:39CAN HELP YOU CONNECT WITH OTHER

52:41PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING.

52:45>> AND YOU'RE WILLING TO PUT IN

52:47THAT WORK TO, TO MAKE SOME OF

52:48THOSE CONNECTIONS.

52:50>> I AM GREAT.

52:52>> DO YOU SEE THE ROLE THAT YOU

52:54WOULD BE STEPPING INTO THE

52:57TENANT REPRESENTATIVE ROLE AS

52:58DIFFERENT FROM THE ROLE OF

53:00OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ON HOME

53:01FORWARD, AND IF SO, HOW? OR DO

53:03YOU SEE IT REALLY AS THE SAME

53:04JOB AS THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS

53:07HAVE IN OVERSIGHT?

53:08>> SO I THINK THAT IT IS

53:11DIFFERENT. IT REQUIRES THAT I

53:14CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR

53:16TENANTS, AT LEAST AS A CLASS,

53:20AND, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THE

53:22OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ARE

53:24PROFESSIONALS. AND IT'S MY JOB

53:26TO KIND OF BRING THE TENANT

53:29PERSPECTIVE INTO THE THE

53:30BOARDROOM.

53:34>> DO YOU FORESEE ANY

53:36CHALLENGES DOING AND GETTING

53:38THE ATTENTION OF HOME FORWARD

53:41OR OTHER BOARD MEMBERS AS THE

53:43SOLE PERSON IN THAT ROLE?

53:45>> SAY THAT AGAIN. SORRY.

53:47>> I APOLOGIZE. DO YOU FORESEE

53:49ANY CHALLENGES BEING ABLE TO DO

53:51THAT AS THE SOLE PERSON IN THIS

53:53ROLE AND BEING ABLE TO GET THE

53:55ATTENTION OF THE OTHER BOARD

53:57MEMBERS OR OF THE HOME FORWARD

53:59LEADERSHIP AT THE BOARD

54:00MEETINGS?

54:03>> SO.

54:07>> I THINK THAT I THINK THAT,

54:11YOU KNOW, I I'M SORRY, I HAVE

54:14THE ORGANIZING EXPERIENCE WHERE

54:19I'LL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT THE

54:22TENANT VOICE IN THE ROOM. AND,

54:26YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY.

54:36>> IT LOOKS LIKE WE GOT A

54:37DISCONNECT HERE.

54:43>> I COUNCILOR WHY DON'T I ASK

54:45MY QUESTION OF MR. KEMPER, IF

54:47THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU AND I?

54:50WE'LL SEE IF MR. HARVEY MAKES

54:52IT BACK.

54:52>> YEAH. WHILE WE GET HIM

54:53RECONNECTED. I THINK HE MIGHT

54:55HAVE HAD A BATTERY DIE OR

54:56SOMETHING ON HIS COMPUTER, SO.

54:58YEAH. PLEASE GO AHEAD.

54:59COUNCILOR PIRTLE-GUINEY.

55:00>> THANK YOU, MR. KEMPER. THANK

55:02YOU FOR BEING THERE TODAY. I'M

55:04SORRY I'M NOT IN THE ROOM WITH

55:06YOU. I NOTICED IN YOUR RESUME

55:08THAT YOU HAVE SERVED AS AN

55:10EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR A

55:11HOUSING ORGANIZATION. SO YOU'VE

55:13PRESUMABLY HAD A BOARD THAT YOU

55:14WERE WORKING WITH BEFORE, AND I

55:18AM WONDERING IF YOU CAN SPEAK

55:19TO HOW HANDS ON OR HOW HANDS

55:22OFF YOU THINK THE ROLE OF A

55:25BOARD WITH AN ORGANIZATION LIKE

55:27HOME FORWARD SHOULD BE.

55:34>> I THINK IT DEPENDS MUCH.

55:36WELL, FIRST OF ALL, MY NAME IS

55:37TOM KEMPER. FOR THE RECORD, I

55:40THINK IT DEPENDS IN MUCH PART

55:43UPON. HOW WELL MANAGEMENT IS

55:48ACTUALLY PERFORMING AS TO HOW

55:53HOW INVOLVED THE BOARD GETS.

55:55CERTAINLY MY INTENT IS TO GET

55:58TO GET VERY INVOLVED IN THE

56:01OPERATIONS OF HOME FORWARD. ONE

56:02OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT I WANT

56:04TO DO IS THAT I KNOW THAT THERE

56:06ARE A NUMBER OF TROUBLED

56:07PROPERTIES. I WOULD LIKE TO

56:08PERSONALLY GO SPEND TIME AT

56:09THOSE INSTITUTIONS AND, AND

56:12REALLY TRY TO, YOU KNOW, TALK

56:14TO ON SITE MANAGEMENT, TALK TO

56:16TENANTS, AND TO GET A BETTER

56:18UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT, WHAT

56:21THE ISSUES ARE AND, AND SORT OF

56:23HOW TO CREATE SOLUTIONS TO THE

56:26PROBLEMS THAT THOSE PROPERTIES

56:29ARE, ARE, ARE EXPERIENCING. SO,

56:33SO I, MY PLAN IS TO BE VERY

56:37INVOLVED.

56:40>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT

56:42ANSWER. AND I ACTUALLY THINK

56:43YOU ALLUDED TO THE YOUR ANSWER

56:46TO MY SECOND QUESTION, WHICH IS

56:48WHAT DO YOU THINK THE MOST

56:50PRESSING CHALLENGES ARE FOR

56:51HOME FORWARD RIGHT NOW? AND

56:53WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE ROLE OF

56:55THE BOARD IN ENSURING THAT

56:56THOSE CHALLENGES ARE ADDRESSED?

56:59>> WELL, I THINK THE THE

57:02ORGANIZATION IS EXPERIENCING

57:06SOME SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL

57:08CHALLENGES, IN PART DUE TO

57:11OPERATIONAL ISSUES THAT THEY'RE

57:13EXPERIENCING. YOU KNOW, THERE'S

57:15SECURITY ISSUES, THERE'S CRIME

57:17ISSUES. THERE'S. THERE'S

57:20THERE'S ISSUES WITH THEIR

57:22VOUCHER MANAGEMENT, THEIR

57:23VOUCHER PROGRAM. AND I THINK

57:25YOU JUST HAVE TO GET INTO THOSE

57:27SPECIFIC ISSUES, GET INTO THE

57:29NUTS AND BOLTS AND DETAILS AND

57:33REALLY IDENTIFY SPECIFICALLY

57:35WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE, AND THEN

57:37FIGURE OUT SOLUTIONS TO THOSE

57:40PROBLEMS. DOES THAT ANSWER THAT

57:43QUESTION?

57:45>> IT DOES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

57:47THANK YOU FOR THOSE ANSWERS. I

57:49LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING YOU

57:51IN YOUR YOUR NOMINATION TO THE

57:54BOARD TODAY. AND I JUST HOPE

57:56THAT YOU FEEL EMPOWERED TO DO

57:58THAT HANDS ON WORK THAT YOU ARE

58:00REFERRING TO AND TO BEING A

58:02HANDS ON BOARD MEMBER. AND IF

58:03THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE AS

58:04COUNSELORS CAN DO TO HELP YOU

58:06NAVIGATE SOME OF THE BUILDINGS,

58:08YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK

58:10AT IN OUR DISTRICTS, PLEASE

58:11FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT.

58:13>> THANK YOU.

58:15>> THANK YOU, COUNSELOR MORILLO.

58:17FOLLOWED BY COUNCILOR. NOVICK.

58:23>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR.

58:24THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING

58:25HERE TODAY. SORRY I AM HOME

58:27SICK, BUT I FIGURE YOU WOULD

58:28RATHER NOT ME GET EVERYBODY IN

58:30CHAMBERS SICK. AND MY QUESTION

58:32IS FOR MR. KEMPER. THE STATE

58:35HAS ESTIMATED THAT WE NEED THAT.

58:37PORTLAND NEEDS AROUND 15,000

58:39UNITS THAT ARE BETWEEN 0 AND

58:4160% AMI TO BE BUILT OVER THE

58:43NEXT 30 YEARS. AND OBVIOUSLY,

58:45HOME FORWARD IS GOING TO PLAY A

58:47REALLY BIG PART IN THAT. HOW DO

58:51YOU THINK HOME FORWARD AND THE

58:53BROADER SYSTEM OF AFFORDABLE

58:55HOUSING COULD GET TO THAT GOAL?

58:59>> WELL, IN MY EXPERIENCE, AND,

59:03YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN

59:05THE INDUSTRY FOR ALMOST 40

59:06YEARS. UNFORTUNATELY, EVERY

59:10TIME YOU DEVELOP A PROJECT, IT

59:13FUNDAMENTALLY COMES BACK TO

59:15FINDING THE FUNDS TO, TO BUILD

59:20PROJECTS. AND SO I THINK, YOU

59:23KNOW, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT'S,

59:27IT'S A COMMITMENT TO

59:29APPROPRIATELY FUNDING THE

59:33EXPANSION OF, OF THE, OF THE

59:38INVENTORY OF HOUSING. AND PART

59:40OF THAT, I THINK RELATES TO

59:42REALLY EFFICIENTLY OPERATING

59:44HOUSING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE,

59:46YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PROBLEM

59:47IS, IS THAT IF YOU HAVE

59:50PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT

59:52PERFORMING WELL AND ARE AND ARE

59:53CREATING NEGATIVE CASH FLOW

59:55AGAINST THE, THE OPERATIONS,

59:58THE ORGANIZATIONS OPERATIONAL

1:00:01CASH FLOWS, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY

1:00:03IMPEDES AN ORGANIZATION'S

1:00:05ABILITY TO, TO FURTHER EXPAND

1:00:07THEIR PORTFOLIO. AND I THINK AS

1:00:09A MATTER OF FACT, I THINK HOME

1:00:11FORWARD HAS DONE A PRETTY GOOD

1:00:13JOB OF EXPANDING HOUSING. I

1:00:18THINK THEY'VE THEY'VE, YOU KNOW,

1:00:20MOST OF THE FUNDING COMES FROM

1:00:22OREGON HOUSING AND COMMUNITY

1:00:24SERVICES. AND I THINK THEY'VE

1:00:25DONE A GOOD JOB OF CREATING A

1:00:27RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT

1:00:29ORGANIZATION AND CONTINUALLY,

1:00:32YOU KNOW, GENERATING A STREAM

1:00:34OF FUNDING THAT SUPPORTS THE

1:00:35EXPANSION OF, OF THEIR HOUSING

1:00:38PORTFOLIO. BUT I THINK

1:00:41ULTIMATELY IT'S MONEY,

1:00:43UNFORTUNATELY. AND SO IT'S

1:00:44GOING TO BE THE CITY'S

1:00:45COMMITMENT AND THE STATE'S

1:00:46COMMITMENT AND METRO'S

1:00:48COMMITMENT TO CONTINUE FUNDING.

1:00:53THE, YOU KNOW, THE GAP FUNDING

1:00:55THAT'S NECESSARY TO TO DEVELOP

1:00:58THOSE PROPERTIES.

1:01:02>> GOTCHA. THANK YOU FOR THAT

1:01:03ANSWER. I THINK I HAD A FOLLOW

1:01:05UP, BUT I THINK YOU ANSWERED

1:01:07THAT AS A AS YOU WERE SPEAKING

1:01:09ABOUT IT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

1:01:10APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

1:01:13>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR.

1:01:14MORILLO. COUNCILOR. NOVICK.

1:01:14FOLLOWED BY GREEN.

1:01:16>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

1:01:17THIS QUESTION IS FOR ALL THE

1:01:19NOMINEES IS KIND OF THE OBVIOUS

1:01:21ONE. I ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY

1:01:22READ THE STORY IN THE OREGONIAN

1:01:24A FEW WEEKS AGO BY JONATHAN

1:01:25BOCK. MYSTERIOUS DEATHS,

1:01:27VIOLENCE, DRUGS HAUNT LARGEST

1:01:28APARTMENT COMPLEX MANAGED BY

1:01:29PORTLAND HOUSING AUTHORITY. I'M

1:01:31JUST CURIOUS HOW, IF AT ALL,

1:01:34WILL THE STORIES IN THAT

1:01:35ARTICLE. DO THEY AFFECT HOW YOU

1:01:36LOOK AT HOME FORWARD ITSELF,

1:01:38AND HOW THEY MIGHT AFFECT HOW

1:01:40YOU GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS IN

1:01:42THIS ROLE?

1:01:45>> CAN I GO FIRST?

1:01:47>> ABSOLUTELY.

1:01:49>> I WAS STUNNED BY THAT

1:01:51ARTICLE. AND I, AND I THINK

1:01:54WHAT IT MADE ME BELIEVE IS, IS

1:01:56THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE

1:01:57FIRST PROPERTY THAT I'D WANT TO

1:01:59GO VISIT AND REALLY TALK TO,

1:02:01YOU KNOW, TENANTS ON SITE

1:02:04MANAGEMENT, MANAGEMENT STAFF

1:02:06AND REALLY TRY TO UNDERSTAND,

1:02:08YOU KNOW, SORT OF WHAT, WHAT

1:02:10THE FACTS REALLY ARE. IT WAS IT

1:02:13WAS A LITTLE CONCERNING TO ME

1:02:15THAT THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO

1:02:17IMMEDIATELY EVICT THAT PERSON.

1:02:20AND, AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN

1:02:23THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I HAD

1:02:24IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHY? WHY

1:02:27WERE WE SLOW IN, IN ACTING ON

1:02:29THAT? AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW,

1:02:31WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE

1:02:33TO HAVE THERE ARE OBVIOUS

1:02:35PROTECTIONS AGAINST TENANT

1:02:36EVICTIONS. BUT I THINK THAT IN

1:02:39SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, WHEN WHEN

1:02:43YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU THAT HAS

1:02:45SUCH AN IMPACT ON, ON THE

1:02:48COMMUNITY THAT, THAT, THAT,

1:02:51THAT THOSE TENANTS EXIST IN.

1:02:53I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR

1:02:54A LONG TIME. I'VE, I'VE, I'VE

1:02:57PARTICIPATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT

1:02:59OF OVER 10,000 APARTMENT UNITS.

1:03:00MOST OF THAT WAS AFFORDABLE

1:03:02HOUSING. AND THE FIRST THING

1:03:03THAT I LEARNED WAS WHEN

1:03:06SOMETHING GOES DOWN IN A

1:03:08PROJECT, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT

1:03:10TO, TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES

1:03:12BECAUSE THE EVENTS LIKE THAT

1:03:15REALLY IMPACT THE COMMUNITY.

1:03:18AND, AND IT, IT, THOSE KIND OF

1:03:21THINGS CAN MULTIPLY QUICKLY AND

1:03:23CREATE MORE AND MORE PROBLEMS.

1:03:25AND SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO

1:03:26ACT QUICKLY AND CAREFULLY AND,

1:03:29AND DEAL WITH THEM REALLY

1:03:31EFFECTIVELY. AND SO I, YOU KNOW,

1:03:34I HAVE TO SAY THAT UPON MY

1:03:35APPOINTMENT, ONE OF THE THAT IS

1:03:36ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I WANT

1:03:38TO DO IS GO VISIT THAT PROPERTY

1:03:40AND UNDERSTAND THE FACTS AND

1:03:43TALK TO, TO PEOPLE ABOUT HOW

1:03:46THEY REACTED AND HOW WE CAN DO

1:03:48BETTER IN THOSE KINDS OF

1:03:50INSTANCES.

1:03:57>> THANK YOU.

1:04:01>> WELL, I, I MEAN, HE'S HE'S

1:04:02VERY RIGHT. I THINK THE ONE

1:04:04THING I'VE REALLY LOOKED AT

1:04:05THROUGH ALL THIS IS IT'S BECOME

1:04:08EVIDENT THAT THERE ARE TWO

1:04:10AVENUES OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING

1:04:11NOW. AND THAT'S THAT IS THE,

1:04:13THE ACTUAL PROVIDING OF THE

1:04:15HOUSING. AND THEN IT'S THE

1:04:16SERVICES, IT'S THE ABILITY TO

1:04:18COME TO THE PEOPLE WHERE

1:04:20THEY'RE AT AND WHAT THEY'RE

1:04:21WHAT THEY NEED IN ADDITION FROM

1:04:24HOUSING. RIGHT. AND I THINK THE

1:04:26CHALLENGE YOU HAVE IS HOME

1:04:28FORWARD NEEDS TO BE A REALLY

1:04:29GOOD LANDLORD AND NEEDS TO BE A

1:04:31GOOD LANDLORD FIRST. THE

1:04:32PROPERTIES NEED TO BE ABLE TO

1:04:34BE DEVELOPED CORRECTLY AND THEY

1:04:35NEED TO BE MANAGED CORRECTLY.

1:04:37AND I THINK WHEN I'M READING

1:04:38THROUGH THAT, I GO, OKAY, HOW,

1:04:40WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE TOOLS

1:04:42IN PLACE TO MAKE THIS A SAFE

1:04:45COMMUNITY FOR THE TENANTS AND A

1:04:46SAFE PLACE FOR THESE PEOPLE?

1:04:48AND I WOULD WANT TO COME AT IT

1:04:50FROM A, HOW ARE WE DOING THIS

1:04:52AS A LANDLORD BASED SERVICE

1:04:54FIRST, AND THEN ADDRESS THOSE

1:04:56WRAPAROUND SERVICES THAT ARE

1:04:58BECOMING A NECESSITY WITHIN

1:05:00SOME OF THESE AFFORDABLE

1:05:01HOUSING UNITS? AND HOW ARE WE

1:05:02PROVIDING THOSE OR DO BETTER

1:05:04WITH THAT? SO I THINK THAT'S

1:05:05KIND OF WHAT I TOOK FROM THAT

1:05:08ARTICLE.

1:05:10>> THIS IS A TOTALLY UNFAIR

1:05:11QUESTION, BUT I MEAN, IN THE

1:05:14BALANCE BETWEEN KEEPING PEOPLE

1:05:15HOUSED OR EVICTING THEM BECAUSE

1:05:17THEY'RE CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR

1:05:18OTHER TENANTS, HOW WOULD YOU GO

1:05:20ABOUT I MEAN, HOW WOULD YOU

1:05:21SUGGEST THAT THE ORGANIZATION

1:05:23THINK ABOUT THAT BALANCE, WHICH

1:05:26SHOULD, SHOULD THE TIE GO TO

1:05:28KEEPING THE TENANT IN, OR

1:05:29SHOULD THE TIE GO TO PROTECTING

1:05:32THE OTHER TENANTS?

1:05:34>> IT'S A REALLY HARD ONE,

1:05:35RIGHT? I THINK ACCOUNTABILITY

1:05:36MEANS SOMETHING, THOUGH. AND I

1:05:38THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT

1:05:40ACCOUNTABILITY, YOU HAVE TO YOU

1:05:43HAVE TO BE COMPASSIONATE, BUT

1:05:45YOU HAVE TO ALSO SAY, WHAT IS

1:05:46THE GREATER GOOD OF ALL THESE

1:05:48OTHER TENANTS THAT ARE IN THIS

1:05:50BUILDING? I THINK THAT WHEN YOU

1:05:53HAVE THINGS LIKE NON EVICTION

1:05:55OVER SIX MONTHS OR NINE MONTHS

1:05:58FOR EITHER UNPAID RENTS OR

1:06:00INFRACTIONS THAT ARE CAUSED,

1:06:02THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT SHOWING

1:06:03COMPASSION OR ACCOUNTABILITY TO

1:06:05THOSE PEOPLE. SO IN MY OPINION,

1:06:07I THINK YOU START WITH

1:06:08ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE FOLKS WHO

1:06:10ARE CAUSING THOSE PROBLEMS IN

1:06:12THOSE PROPERTIES AND LETTING

1:06:13THE OTHER TENANTS FEEL LIKE

1:06:14THEY HAVE A SAFE HOME.

1:06:17>> I WOULD SECOND THAT RESPONSE.

1:06:20MY ONE OF THE FIRST LESSONS

1:06:21THAT I LEARNED IN, IN OPERATING

1:06:24A PROJECT WAS, IS THAT IF YOU

1:06:27LET SOMEBODY SLIDE ON THE RULES

1:06:31ON RENT OR RULES, THEN THEN

1:06:34OTHER PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY CAN

1:06:36DO THAT TOO. AND SO IT, YOU

1:06:39KNOW, SO IF YOU LET, IF YOU LET

1:06:43INFRACTIONS OCCUR WITHOUT,

1:06:45WITHOUT, WITHOUT SANCTIONS, ALL

1:06:49YOU DO IS INCREASE THE THAT

1:06:52KIND OF BEHAVIOR. SO I WOULD

1:06:54TOTALLY AGREE THAT, THAT THE

1:06:57COMMUNITY REALLY DOES HAVE TO

1:06:58COME FIRST. AND THAT DOESN'T

1:07:00MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T BE

1:07:02COMPASSIONATE ABOUT ABOUT

1:07:05DEALING WITH PEOPLE. AND I

1:07:06THINK YOUR COMMENT ABOUT

1:07:07SERVICES IS VERY WELL TAKEN. I

1:07:10THINK THAT THAT PARTICULARLY

1:07:12WHEN WHEN THE, THE HOUSING

1:07:15AUTHORITY IS, IS, HAS BY VIRTUE

1:07:19OF ITS FINANCING COMMITMENTS,

1:07:20AGREED TO TAKE ON TENANTS WHO,

1:07:24WHO HAVE, YOU KNOW, REAL

1:07:26PROBLEMS, YOU HAVE TO SUPPLY

1:07:29THE APPROPRIATE SERVICES TO

1:07:30HELP, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH THOSE

1:07:32PROBLEMS. AND, AND SO IT, YOU

1:07:35KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A

1:07:37REAL CONUNDRUM. BUT I THINK IN

1:07:40BALANCE, YOU'VE GOT TO YOU'VE

1:07:42GOT TO WEIGH THE COMMITTEES OR

1:07:44THE COMMUNITIES. IMPORTANCE

1:07:50BEFORE THE INDIVIDUAL.

1:07:52>> I WOULD JUST ADD THAT I

1:07:54THINK ONE OF THE COMPLEX'S SAT

1:07:56AT 50% CAPACITY, RIGHT, FOR A

1:07:57LONG TIME. AND I THINK THAT'S

1:07:59ALSO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T FEELING

1:08:01LIKE THEY WANT TO MOVE INTO A

1:08:02PROPERTY, KNOWING THAT THERE'S

1:08:04PROBLEMS THERE. AND THAT'S,

1:08:06THAT'S THEN DEFEATS THE PURPOSE

1:08:07OF BUILDING MORE UNITS TO JUST

1:08:09SIT AT 50% CAPACITY.

1:08:12>> THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH.

1:08:17>> ALL RIGHT. I SEE COUNCILOR

1:08:19GREEN AND THEN COUNCILOR RYAN

1:08:20IS NEXT IN THE QUEUE.

1:08:23>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING

1:08:24TIME TODAY TO TALK TO US AND TO

1:08:27TO SERVE IN THIS WAY. IT'S

1:08:29NOTABLE. I HAVE ONE QUESTION

1:08:31FOR EVERY CANDIDATE, AND I'VE

1:08:32GOT ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION FOR

1:08:34MR. HARVEY. BUT JUST BROADLY

1:08:38SPEAKING, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE

1:08:41PROBLEMS THAT FACED THE

1:08:42AFFORDABLE HOUSING SECTOR AS A

1:08:44WHOLE? DO YOU THINK IT'S ONE

1:08:46SINGLE CAUSAL SOURCE, OR DO YOU

1:08:49THINK IT'S A BASKET OF ISSUES?

1:08:51AND IF IT'S A BASKET OF ISSUES,

1:08:52CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THOSE

1:08:54BASKET OF ISSUES ARE?

1:08:56>> DO YOU WANT ME TO GO FIRST?

1:08:58>> YEAH.

1:08:59>> YES, SIR. YES, SIR.

1:09:01>> GOOD POINT.

1:09:02>> YES.

1:09:03>> WELL, I THINK I DON'T THINK

1:09:06THERE'S ONE ISSUE. I THINK

1:09:07THERE'S IT'S A IT'S A BASKET I

1:09:09THINK. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK

1:09:17THE FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS AT

1:09:19HOME FOR TAKES ON BY AGREEING

1:09:23TO BUILD AND OPERATE AFFORDABLE

1:09:25HOUSING TODAY, THEY AGREE TO

1:09:27TAKE ON TENANTS THAT HAVE

1:09:29SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS, MENTAL

1:09:30HEALTH PROBLEMS, DRUG PROBLEMS,

1:09:34AND AND WITH THAT. YOU KNOW, IT

1:09:40IT TAKES IT TAKES A LOT OF

1:09:42SERVICES TO SORT OF WORK WITH

1:09:45THAT KIND OF POPULATION. SO I

1:09:46THINK THAT'S ONE ISSUE IS SORT

1:09:49OF THE, THE, THE TENANTS WHO

1:09:51COME WITH, WITH, WITH BAGGAGE,

1:09:53IF YOU WILL, THAT HAVE THAT

1:09:56HAVE ISSUES THAT NEED HELP.

1:09:59SECOND, I THINK THERE'S,

1:10:00THERE'S REAL THERE'S REAL

1:10:02CONCERNS ABOUT CRIME, DRUG

1:10:05DEALING, PHYSICAL. I MEAN, I'VE

1:10:07READ STORIES ABOUT SITE

1:10:09MANAGERS GETTING BEAT UP BY

1:10:10TENANTS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A

1:10:12REAL CONCERN. SO I MEAN, I

1:10:15DON'T IT RAISES THE WHOLE ISSUE

1:10:18OF SECURITY. AND HOW DO YOU

1:10:19DEAL WITH THAT? YOU KNOW, AND

1:10:21SO I THINK SO THAT'S PART OF IT.

1:10:25SO I THINK THOSE. AND THEN

1:10:27THERE'S THE BASIC AFFORDABILITY

1:10:28ISSUE. PEOPLE. PEOPLE DON'T

1:10:30MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO AFFORD

1:10:34HOUSING IN PORTLAND. AND SO I

1:10:38THINK. YOU KNOW, WITHOUT,

1:10:41WITHOUT THE APPROPRIATE VOUCHER

1:10:43OR OTHER RENT, RENT, KIND OF

1:10:46SUBSIDY, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR

1:10:47PEOPLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE EVEN

1:10:49IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING THESE

1:10:50DAYS, YOU KNOW, TODAY,

1:10:54AFFORDABLE HOUSING RENTS ARE

1:10:55GETTING CLOSE TO LIKE 60% AMI

1:10:58RENTS ARE CLOSE TO MARKET. SO,

1:11:02YOU KNOW, AND IF, IF, IF, IF,

1:11:04IF A DEVELOPER OR THE HOUSING

1:11:06AUTHORITY IS PERFORMED, THEIR

1:11:08PROPERTY BASED ON GETTING

1:11:09SECTION 42 RENTS AND THEY'RE

1:11:13NOT GETTING THEM, YOU KNOW, IT

1:11:15CREATES REAL FINANCIAL PROBLEMS

1:11:19FOR THE ORGANIZATION TO

1:11:20GENERATE ENOUGH CASH FLOW. SO I

1:11:22THINK THERE'S, THERE'S THAT'S

1:11:23JUST A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, THREE

1:11:25OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I SEE THAT

1:11:28EXIST IN TRYING TO, YOU KNOW,

1:11:31PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN

1:11:33PORTLAND, OREGON.

1:11:34>> I APPRECIATE THAT RESPONSE

1:11:36VERY MUCH.

1:11:37>> I WOULD JUST GO BACK TO THE

1:11:39THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES ASPECT,

1:11:40RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT

1:11:41HISTORICALLY, HOUSING

1:11:42AUTHORITIES WERE JUST HOUSING,

1:11:44RIGHT? THAT THEY WERE BUILT TO

1:11:46BUILD HOUSES, MANAGE PROPERTIES,

1:11:47DEVELOP PROPERTIES. THEY WERE

1:11:49NOT BUILT TO BE A SOCIAL

1:11:52SERVICES ASPECT, RIGHT? THEY

1:11:53WERE NOT BUILT TO BE THAT WAY.

1:11:55SO THERE'S A TRANSFORMATIVE

1:11:56PROCESS THAT HAS TO HAPPEN,

1:11:57RIGHT? WE NOW HAVE TO START

1:12:00IDENTIFYING THOSE WRAPAROUND

1:12:02SERVICES, WHETHER THAT BE

1:12:03MENTAL HEALTH ADDICTION, JOB

1:12:06PLACEMENT, YOU KNOW, CAREER

1:12:08DEVELOPMENT, WHATEVER THAT

1:12:08MIGHT BE. HOME FORWARD HAS TO

1:12:11START PUSHING INTO THOSE

1:12:12DIRECTIONS, USING OTHER

1:12:13COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO HELP

1:12:15CREATE THOSE AVENUES FOR THOSE

1:12:17TENANTS. AND SO I THINK THAT'S

1:12:18SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO

1:12:20CONTINUE TO BE A PUSHING

1:12:22PROCESS FOR THESE HOUSING FIRST

1:12:25PROGRAMS. I THINK THAT'S GOING

1:12:26TO BE IMPORTANT. SO I THINK

1:12:28WHEN YOU SAY, WHAT ARE THE

1:12:29MULTITUDE OF PROBLEMS, IT'S IT

1:12:30REALLY COMES DOWN TO THAT, THAT

1:12:32THEY THAT THAT THEY HAVE TO BE

1:12:34ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THE

1:12:35COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND FINDING

1:12:36WAYS TO HAVE THEIR TENANTS

1:12:39BEING SUPPORTED.

1:12:40>> THANK YOU.

1:12:41>> AND THERE'S GOT TO BE ENOUGH

1:12:43MONEY TO SUPPORT THE

1:12:45ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO PROVIDE

1:12:46THE SERVICES.

1:12:47>> THAT'S FAIR.

1:12:49>> YEAH. THANK YOU. AND MR.

1:12:50HARVEY, DID YOU HAVE SOME

1:12:51THOUGHTS ON. IF THE PROBLEMS

1:12:56FACING, YOU KNOW, HOME FORWARD

1:12:58OR ANY OTHER OF THE SORT OF

1:13:00AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVIDERS

1:13:01ARE A SINGLE SOURCE SINGLE

1:13:03STORY PROBLEM? OR ARE THEY SORT

1:13:04OF A BASKET PROBLEMS?

1:13:07>> COULD YOU EXPAND ON THAT?

1:13:08SORRY.

1:13:09>> YEAH, I THINK WHERE I'M

1:13:10GOING WITH THIS IS THERE'S BEEN

1:13:12A LOT OF REPORTING LATELY OR

1:13:14HEADLINES EVEN THAT SORT OF TRY

1:13:16TO REDUCE IT TO ONE SINGLE

1:13:18CAUSE THAT CAUSE BEING THAT

1:13:20THERE'S A LOT OF CRIME AND NO

1:13:21QUESTION SOME OF THESE UNITS

1:13:23HAVE A RAMPANT CRIME ISSUE. BUT

1:13:26THEN THAT ALSO IGNORES THE

1:13:28MARKET DYNAMIC, WHICH IS THE

1:13:29FACT THAT AT THE 60% AMI LEVEL,

1:13:32THE MARKET SECTOR IS JUST AS

1:13:35AFFORDABLE OR IN SOME CASES

1:13:36MORE AFFORDABLE THAN THE

1:13:38REGULATED UNIT. AND SO THERE'S

1:13:40A DIFFICULTY IN ATTRACTING

1:13:42TENANTS FOR A MULTITUDE OF

1:13:43REASONS. AND I GUESS WHAT I'M

1:13:45TRYING TO HEAR IS A RECOGNITION

1:13:47AS A COMMISSIONER, THAT THE

1:13:50PROBLEMS FACING HOME FORWARD

1:13:52ARE COMPLEX, ARE COMING FROM

1:13:55DIFFERENT SOCIAL SORT OF

1:13:57BREAKDOWNS IN THE IN THE SYSTEM,

1:13:58AS IT WERE, AND REQUIRE

1:14:01COMPLICATED AND SORT OF

1:14:02EVIDENCE BASED SOLUTIONS. SO

1:14:03THAT'S, THAT'S THE SORT OF

1:14:05NATURE OF MY QUESTION.

1:14:06>> NO, I DO THINK IT'S A HUGE

1:14:09SERIES OF INTERCONNECTED,

1:14:10COMPLEX PROBLEMS. IT IS IT IS

1:14:13NOT A SINGLE PROBLEM. AND I

1:14:15APOLOGIZE, BY THE WAY, FOR

1:14:16LEAVING EARLIER. THIS IS

1:14:18TERRIFYING TO ME. THIS MIGHT BE

1:14:19THE MOST TERRIFYING EXPERIENCE

1:14:20I'VE EVER HAD, AND I'M JUST

1:14:23FREEZING UP. SO I AM GOOD IN

1:14:26PERSON, ON THE GROUND, GETTING

1:14:28INTO BUILDINGS, HELPING THEM

1:14:31UNIONIZE, HELPING THEM RECLAIM

1:14:32TENANT POWER. AND THAT'S WHAT

1:14:36I'M GOOD AT. I'M GOOD AT A

1:14:38BARBECUE, AT A LOW INCOME

1:14:40PROPERTY. THIS TERRIFIES ME. I

1:14:41HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU FOLKS DO

1:14:43THIS.

1:14:45>> I.

1:14:45>> I WOULD NEVER WANT TO DO

1:14:47THIS IF I COULD ERASE, LIKE

1:14:48EVERY VIDEO OF ME FROM THE

1:14:50WORLD, I PROBABLY WOULD. BUT

1:14:54THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU

1:14:55FOLKS ARE GOOD AT. I'M NOT GOOD

1:14:57AT IT. I CAN TELL YOU THIS. I

1:15:01RESURRECTED OUR TENANTS UNION A

1:15:03YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND WE

1:15:05HAVE HAD INCREDIBLE SUCCESS

1:15:07THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN FROM

1:15:09ANOTHER TENANTS UNION IN

1:15:10PORTLAND ANYWHERE. WE'VE HAD A

1:15:12HALF DOZEN INSTANCES OF GETTING

1:15:14IN THE NEWS, SOMETIMES MULTIPLE

1:15:18OUTLETS COVERING US. AND THEN I

1:15:20WAS ABLE TO SPEARHEAD THE

1:15:23UNIONIZATION OF TWO NEARBY HOME

1:15:25FORWARD PROPERTIES WHO ARE NOW

1:15:28WORKING IN A COALITION TOGETHER.

1:15:29THAT'S COMPLETELY UNPRECEDENTED.

1:15:31AND I LED THAT. AND WE ARE NOW

1:15:34MEETING BIMONTHLY WITH SENIOR

1:15:38OFFICIALS FROM HOME FORWARD AND

1:15:42FROM PINEHURST MANAGEMENT,

1:15:44WHICH MANAGES ALL THREE

1:15:45BUILDINGS. AND WE HAVE PEOPLE

1:15:47LIKE THE SENIOR PORTFOLIO

1:15:49MANAGER FROM PINEHURST AND THE

1:15:51DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND PLANNING

1:15:53FROM HOME FORWARD. OTHER STAFF

1:15:55IN THE ROOM, AND IN REAL TIME,

1:15:58WE ARE INFORMING THEM ABOUT

1:16:00TENANTS PRIORITIES, AND THEY

1:16:02ARE CHANGING THEIR MINDS,

1:16:03CHANGING THEIR POLICIES,

1:16:04CHANGING WHAT THEY WERE ABOUT

1:16:06TO DO BASED ON THAT FEEDBACK.

1:16:09AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'VE

1:16:11OBSERVED ANYBODY ELSE DOING

1:16:12THAT. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IF,

1:16:17IF YOU GAVE ME A LITTLE

1:16:19LATITUDE FOR I, I'VE ACTUALLY

1:16:22TOLD FRIENDS I WOULD PAY GOOD

1:16:24MONEY TO NEVER BE ON THE LOCAL

1:16:26NEWS. I MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO

1:16:29THAT AFTER TODAY. BUT AGAIN,

1:16:31THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OTHER

1:16:33PEOPLE ARE GOOD AT. I COULD

1:16:34LIST OFF MY QUALIFICATIONS. I

1:16:36HAVE NOTES RIGHT HERE. I DON'T

1:16:38KNOW IF YOU READ THE BIO AND

1:16:40STATE OF STATEMENT OF INTEREST,

1:16:42WHICH WERE CIRCULATED TO

1:16:43COUNCIL. I WORKED REALLY HARD

1:16:45ON THAT. I REALLY THINK IF YOU

1:16:46READ THAT, YOU'D SEE THAT I'M

1:16:48INCREDIBLY WELL QUALIFIED TO BE

1:16:50THE RESIDENT COMMISSIONER. I

1:16:52REALLY AM, AND MY HEART'S IN

1:16:55THE RIGHT PLACE, AND I WANT

1:16:57THIS TO WORK. SO IF THERE ARE

1:16:58ANY MORE QUESTIONS, I'D LOVE TO

1:17:00TAKE THEM. AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE

1:17:02FOR THIS BEING KIND OF A

1:17:04NIGHTMARE FOR ME, EVEN THOUGH

1:17:05IT'S EVERY DAY FOR YOU.

1:17:07>> BRIAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

1:17:08I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU

1:17:10RIGHT BACK. SORRY, I. YOU'RE

1:17:11DOING GREAT. YOU MAY NOT

1:17:13BELIEVE THAT IN THE MOMENT, BUT

1:17:14YOU ARE. AND I APPRECIATE YOU

1:17:16BEING HERE. IT'S NOT EASY FOR

1:17:19ALL OF US ALL THE TIME EITHER.

1:17:21I'LL JUST SAY THAT FOR MYSELF.

1:17:22AND I APPRECIATE YOU, YOU BEING

1:17:24A PART OF THIS. I KNOW THAT

1:17:26ALSO, WHAT WE ASK FOR OUT OF A

1:17:28RESIDENT COMMISSIONER IS OFTEN

1:17:29NOT THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE

1:17:30ASKING FROM EVERYBODY ELSE. I

1:17:31DON'T PERSONALLY CARE IF YOU

1:17:33KNOW A LOT ABOUT SOME OF THE

1:17:34STUFF OUTSIDE OF YOUR

1:17:36EXPERIENCE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE

1:17:38CONSIDERING APPOINTING YOU. SO

1:17:39AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK PEOPLE

1:17:40ARE GOING TO BE THINKING ABOUT.

1:17:42I'M GOING TO PASS IT BACK TO

1:17:43CHIEF.

1:17:44>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING REALLY

1:17:45QUICKLY?

1:17:46>> OR I JUST WANT TO WRAP MY

1:17:47THOUGHT AND I'M DONE WITH MY

1:17:49QUESTIONING.

1:17:49>> YEAH.

1:17:50>> GO FOR IT. COUNCILOR.

1:17:51>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU

1:17:53SO MUCH, BRIAN. AND FOR FOLKS

1:17:55WHO DON'T KNOW, BRIAN HAS

1:17:56REACHED OUT TO MY OFFICE MANY

1:17:57TIMES OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS

1:17:59TO MAKE ME AWARE OF ISSUES IN

1:18:00THE YARDS. THIS IS IN MY

1:18:02DISTRICT. IT'S A HOME FORWARD

1:18:03PROPERTY. HE'S WELL TRUSTED

1:18:04AMONG THE TENANTS, AND I THINK

1:18:07HE'D BE A GREAT ADDITION TO TO

1:18:09THE COMMISSIONER. SO I WANT TO

1:18:10SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT AND

1:18:12WE'LL STAY ENGAGED.

1:18:13>> THANK YOU.

1:18:13>> WE'LL GO.

1:18:14>> TO COUNCILOR RYAN AND THEN

1:18:15COUNCILOR SMITH.

1:18:16>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. FIRST OF

1:18:18ALL, THANK YOU, COUNCIL

1:18:19PRESIDENT KEITHLEY, FOR BEING

1:18:21HERE. YOU DID A GREAT JOB

1:18:22PRESENTING US YOUR SELECTION,

1:18:25MR. EDMONDS. SO NOW I'M GOING

1:18:27TO KIND OF IGNORE YOU AND FOCUS

1:18:29ON THE OTHER TWO. I REALLY

1:18:31APPRECIATE COUNCILOR NOVICK THE

1:18:33QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED. THEY

1:18:34WERE MANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT

1:18:36I HAD. BUT JUST TO TO ELABORATE

1:18:39A BIT, HERE'S THE SITUATION IN

1:18:43PORTLAND. WE'RE WE HAVE HIGH

1:18:45VACANCY RATE. WE HAVE PEOPLE IN

1:18:48MY DISTRICT THAT. IT HASN'T

1:18:49JUST BEEN RECENT HEADLINES.

1:18:51IT'S BEEN FOR THE LAST FIVE

1:18:54YEARS, I'VE BEEN HEARING PEOPLE

1:18:57INSIDE THE BUILDINGS AND

1:18:59NEIGHBORS NEXT TO THE BUILDINGS

1:19:01EQUALLY UPSET. SO THE

1:19:05MANAGEMENT OF A LOT OF THE

1:19:07PROPERTIES HAS BEEN QUESTIONED

1:19:09AND QUITE FRANKLY, LISTENED TO.

1:19:11PEOPLE SAY THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE

1:19:13TO TO WALK IN THE HALLWAYS OF

1:19:14THE BUILDING THEY LIVE IN. AND

1:19:17I'VE HEARD PEOPLE THAT ARE NEAR

1:19:19THE BUILDINGS SAY THAT IT'S

1:19:21THEY WERE CELEBRATING THE FACT

1:19:22THAT A BUILDING WAS OPENED, AND

1:19:24THEN THEY SOON AFTER HAVE BEEN

1:19:27REALLY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE

1:19:28WAY THAT IT'S BEEN MANAGED. SO

1:19:30THIS IS A BIG DEAL. AND I KNOW

1:19:32THAT YOU KNOW THAT. AND IT ALSO

1:19:34IS A HOST OF COMPLEX ISSUES

1:19:36THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AS A

1:19:38SOCIETY. AND WE CAN'T. THAT'S

1:19:41WHY WE'RE TAKING THESE

1:19:42APPOINTMENTS MORE SERIOUSLY. I

1:19:43THINK I'VE WITNESSED US PASSING

1:19:46THEM THROUGH QUICKER THAN WE

1:19:48ARE NOW DOING, BECAUSE I THINK

1:19:51EVERYONE'S AWARE OF THE

1:19:53CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE HAVING

1:19:54WITH VACANCY RATES. SO I'VE HAD

1:19:56PEOPLE SAY, HOW CAN YOU MAKE

1:19:58THE CASE TO BUILD MORE HOUSING

1:20:00AND ASK THE TAXPAYERS FOR MORE

1:20:01MONEY FOR MORE HOUSING, WHEN

1:20:02YOU'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF WHAT

1:20:04YOU HAVE? AND SO YOU'RE NOT

1:20:07GOING INTO THIS WITH ANY YOU'RE

1:20:10AWARE OF ALL OF THIS SAYING YES

1:20:12TO THIS APPOINTMENT, CORRECT?

1:20:15>> OH, YES. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.

1:20:18>> AND I'VE NOTICED THAT IN

1:20:19YOUR ANSWERS. AND I REALLY

1:20:20APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THAT

1:20:22YOU'RE AN EXCELLENT CANDIDATE

1:20:24BECAUSE OF YOUR LIFE EXPERIENCE,

1:20:25THE WAY YOU ANSWERED COUNCILOR

1:20:27NOVICK'S QUESTIONS WAS PLEASING

1:20:29TO ME. I THINK IT'S THE

1:20:32TRANSPARENCY HAS BEEN

1:20:34CHALLENGING FOR ME WHEN I'VE

1:20:35ASKED QUESTIONS, SIMPLE

1:20:36QUESTIONS. WHAT'S THE CURRENT

1:20:37VACANCY RATE? HOW MANY PEOPLE

1:20:41HAVE BEEN BEHIND ON RENT FOR

1:20:42HOW MANY MONTHS? AND AGAIN,

1:20:44THIS ISN'T TO HAVE DATA TO

1:20:46SHAME. THIS IS TO HAVE

1:20:47INFORMATION SO WE KNOW WHERE WE

1:20:49ARE AND WHERE WE'RE GOING. AND

1:20:51WE KNOW WE NEED TO IMPROVE

1:20:52ALMOST IN EVERY CATEGORY. IN

1:20:54YOUR PURSUIT OF THIS, HAVE YOU

1:20:56NOTICED THAT THE ORGANIZATIONS

1:20:58PROVIDING THAT KIND OF READILY

1:21:01AVAILABLE DATA SO THAT YOU AS A

1:21:04COMMISSIONER, WILL BE ABLE TO

1:21:05HAVE A QUICK ASSESSMENT OF HOW

1:21:09CONDITIONS ARE GOING AT THE

1:21:10TIME? AND IF YOU'RE, IN FACT,

1:21:11SEEING ANY IMPROVEMENT AND IF

1:21:13YOU ARE SEEING IMPROVEMENT, WHY

1:21:14IS THAT?

1:21:16>> I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND

1:21:17THE QUESTION.

1:21:18>> I'M ASKING THAT IN PURSUIT

1:21:19OF THIS, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO

1:21:22NOTICE IF THE STAFF HAS

1:21:24PROVIDED YOU ANY UPDATES, FRESH

1:21:27CURRENT INFORMATION THAT SAYS,

1:21:28HERE'S THE VACANCY RATE AS OF

1:21:30NOW, HERE'S THE INFORMATION ON

1:21:33HOW MANY OF OUR PARTICIPANTS

1:21:35ARE NOT MAKING RENT. HERE'S HOW

1:21:38LONG THEY HAVEN'T BEEN MAKING

1:21:39RENT. JUST THAT KIND OF

1:21:41INFORMATION THAT IF I WAS ON

1:21:44THAT COMMISSION, I WOULD WANT

1:21:45TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT READILY.

1:21:48>> THOSE WILL BE THE QUESTIONS

1:21:49THAT I ASK IMMEDIATELY ONCE MY

1:21:53APPOINTMENT IS EFFECTIVE. I

1:21:54CAN'T SAY THAT I HAVE HAD

1:21:57ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION TO

1:21:59BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

1:22:00>> I BELIEVE, BASED ON THE

1:22:01DIALOG YOU HAD EARLIER, THAT

1:22:03YOU WILL ASK THOSE QUESTIONS,

1:22:04AND I'M REALLY COUNTING ON YOU

1:22:05TO DO THAT, BECAUSE WE NEED

1:22:07MORE ACCOUNTABILITY FROM THE

1:22:08PEOPLE THAT ARE APPOINTED TO

1:22:10THESE POSITIONS.

1:22:11>> THAT'S WHY I STEPPED UP TO

1:22:13DO THIS.

1:22:15>> I WAS PERFECT. THANK YOU FOR

1:22:18>> OF THAT STATEMENT THAT YOU

1:22:19JUST MADE. I ALWAYS LIKE TO

1:22:21REMIND MYSELF IT'S A VIOLATION

1:22:22OF FEDERAL FAIR HOUSING LAWS TO

1:22:24NOT ENFORCE THE LEASE TO ONE

1:22:27RESIDENT, BUT ENFORCE IT WITH

1:22:29OTHER RESIDENTS DIFFERENTLY.

1:22:32AND SO EARLIER, WHEN YOU SAID

1:22:33CONSISTENCY IS VERY IMPORTANT,

1:22:35THERE'S A FEDERAL LAW THAT SAYS

1:22:37THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

1:22:38>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN

1:22:39THE COMMUNITY.

1:22:40>> EXACTLY. AND THEN THERE'S

1:22:41THAT ELEMENT. SO I JUST WANT TO

1:22:43MAKE SURE WE UNDERSCORED THAT.

1:22:46I'M REALLY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT

1:22:48I READ. BRIAN HARVEY, YOUR

1:22:50STATEMENT OF INTEREST WAS

1:22:52INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. THANK YOU

1:22:53FOR TAKING THE TIME TO DO THAT.

1:22:56I, I, I THINK WE'RE AT A PLACE

1:22:58WHERE I WISH WE HAD MORE THAN

1:23:00ONE TENANT REPRESENTATIVE IN

1:23:01THE COMPOSITE. IT'S A LOT TO

1:23:04PUT ON ONE PERSON TO REPRESENT

1:23:07ALL OF THE UNITS. AND YOU'VE

1:23:08YOU'VE REALLY DRILLED DOWN INTO.

1:23:11LEAD THE EFFORT AT YOUR

1:23:12BUILDING TO BE TO FORM THE

1:23:14UNION, TO FORM THOSE RIGHTS.

1:23:17WHAT WILL IT BE LIKE FOR YOU TO

1:23:19EXPLORE THE OTHER HOME FORWARD

1:23:22UNITS AND GET TO KNOW OTHER

1:23:23RESIDENTS? I ASSUME THAT'S YOUR

1:23:26AUDIENCE THAT YOU REALLY WANT

1:23:27TO BE IN TOUCH WITH. AND IN

1:23:29THIS RESPONSIBILITY, IT WILL GO

1:23:31BEYOND THE UNIT YOU LIVE IN. SO

1:23:33I JUST WANT TO HEAR SOME OF

1:23:34YOUR THINKING ABOUT EXPLORING

1:23:36ALL THE OTHER UNITS AND

1:23:37CHECKING OUT THEIR CONDITIONS,

1:23:38AND HOW YOU WILL BE ABLE TO

1:23:40CONNECT WITH OTHER TENANTS AND

1:23:41OTHER BUILDINGS.

1:23:43>> WELL, I THINK THE CONNECTION

1:23:44WILL COME QUITE NATURALLY WHEN

1:23:45I'M ACTUALLY AT THOSE

1:23:47PROPERTIES. BUT TO REMIND

1:23:50COUNCIL, I HAVE HELPED UNIONIZE

1:23:52ABOUT A HANDFUL OF BUILDINGS TO

1:23:55THIS POINT, AND I WOULD LOVE

1:23:57THE OPPORTUNITY. I MEAN, ONE OF

1:23:58THE THINGS IN MY NOTES HERE IS

1:24:00THAT WHEN I TALK ABOUT MY

1:24:02PRIORITIES, FIND NEW WAYS TO

1:24:04COLLECT FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS

1:24:06ON AN ONGOING BASIS. I DON'T

1:24:08THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THE HOME

1:24:10FORWARD IS DOING OR HAS MADE AN

1:24:11EFFORT TO DO EVERY FEW YEARS.

1:24:13THERE'S A REASON, WHETHER

1:24:15POLITICAL OR OTHERWISE, WHERE

1:24:16THEY'LL PUT TOGETHER A NEW

1:24:18OUTREACH PROGRAM. AND, YOU KNOW,

1:24:22I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY SELECT

1:24:24THE BUILDINGS, I DON'T KNOW. I

1:24:27DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DON'T DO IT

1:24:29ON AN ONGOING BASIS. BUT I DO

1:24:31THINK WE NEED SOME WAY TO

1:24:33MEASURE RESIDENT SENTIMENT AND

1:24:36TO DO IT TO DO IT OVER TIME AND

1:24:40SEE HOW IT'S SHIFTING SO THAT

1:24:41WE CAN ANTICIPATE WHAT IS GOING

1:24:44WRONG, WHAT IS GOING RIGHT. AND

1:24:47I WOULD WELCOME, I MEAN,

1:24:49COUNCILOR PIRTLE-GUINEY ASKED

1:24:50ME, WOULD I ACTUALLY VOLUNTEER

1:24:54MY TIME? I HAVE DEDICATED MY

1:24:55LIFE TO THIS AND I CONTINUE. I

1:24:59INTEND TO CONTINUE TO DO SO. SO

1:25:01YES, I MEAN, ANYONE WHO COMES

1:25:03TO ME AND SAYS, CAN YOU HELP ME

1:25:05GET A TENANTS UNION OFF THE

1:25:06GROUND? I CAN DO IT. AND IT'S

1:25:08NOT ONE LINEAR PLAYBOOK. THERE

1:25:11ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ZIGS AND

1:25:13ZAGS YOU MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE,

1:25:15BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, IF

1:25:16YOU WANT TO CALL SOMEONE TO

1:25:20COME AND ENSURE THAT A TENANTS

1:25:22UNION CAN BE SET UP IN YOUR

1:25:24PROPERTY, ASSUMING IT HAS THE

1:25:26POTENTIAL FOR THAT AND HAVE IT

1:25:28ACTUALLY COME TO FRUITION AND

1:25:30ACTUALLY BE EFFECTIVE AND

1:25:32ACTUALLY ENGAGE WITH MANAGEMENT

1:25:33AND GAIN CONCESSIONS. I AM THAT

1:25:35GUY.

1:25:38>> THANK YOU. DCA OLIVEIRA

1:25:42MAYBE YOU OR SOMEONE FROM HOME

1:25:44FORWARD KNOWS THE ANSWER TO

1:25:45THIS. WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION

1:25:48DOES HOME FORWARD ASK OF THEIR

1:25:49TENANTS? HOW DO THEY GET A

1:25:51SENSE OF HOW THEY'RE FEELING?

1:25:54LIKE, HOW DO THEY SURVEY THE

1:25:56TENANTS? BECAUSE I MY

1:25:59EXPERIENCE IN UP HERE IS THAT I

1:26:01WOULD HAVE TO LISTEN TO

1:26:02ANECDOTES OUT IN THE COMMUNITY,

1:26:04BUT I COULDN'T REALLY FIND IT

1:26:07FROM HOME FORWARD.

1:26:08>> COUNCILOR IF SOMEBODY CAN

1:26:09ANSWER, BE THE HOME FOR BOARD

1:26:11CHAIR JENNY KIM, WHO'S ONLINE

1:26:12AS WELL.

1:26:13>> OH. HI, JENNY.

1:26:17>> HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON. I

1:26:20WOULD SAY SO. I'VE ACTUALLY

1:26:22BEEN A CHAIR FOR HOME FORWARD

1:26:23STARTING FROM JULY OF THIS YEAR.

1:26:26AND MY UNDERSTANDING FROM BEING

1:26:29ON BOARD AND ASKING FOR

1:26:31FEEDBACK IS THAT WE ASK OUR

1:26:35SENIOR LEADERSHIP, ESPECIALLY

1:26:36THE EDITOR. SINCE MICHAEL

1:26:37BUONOCORE HAS COME BACK AS AN

1:26:39INTERIM EDITOR. HE HAS BEEN

1:26:40DOING A LOT OF TIME TOWN HALL

1:26:42MEETINGS, BOTH IN PERSON AND

1:26:44VIRTUAL. AND BRIAN, I DON'T

1:26:46KNOW IF YOU WERE FACT THAT WE HN

1:26:50DOING THAT AND WE'RE BEING A

1:26:51LITTLE BIT MORE INTENTIONAL

1:26:52OUTREACH SO THAT WE HAVE AN

1:26:54UNDERSTANDING OF PROPERTIES

1:26:55THAT ARE MANAGED BY HOME

1:26:57FORWARD, AS WELL AS PROPERTIES

1:26:58LIKE THE YARD THAT'S MANAGED BY

1:27:01OUTSIDE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT,

1:27:02BECAUSE THE EXPERIENCES ARE

1:27:03VERY DIFFERENT. ANOTHER THING

1:27:07IS I'LL JUST MENTION THAT EVEN

1:27:09THOUGH IT'S NOT NECESSARILY

1:27:10TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED

1:27:11IN THE PAST, WE ARE CURRENTLY

1:27:14DOING AN ORGANIZATIONAL

1:27:15ASSESSMENT WITH A CONSULTANT

1:27:16GROUP THAT IS GIVING US BETTER

1:27:19IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS ABOUT HOW

1:27:20WE CAN DO BETTER COMMUNITY

1:27:23ENGAGEMENT AND DO OPERATIONAL

1:27:26PERFORMANCE, AND MAKING SURE

1:27:27THAT WE ARE BEING MORE

1:27:30CONSISTENT ABOUT OUTREACH AND

1:27:32ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR

1:27:33JURISDICTIONAL PARTNERS AND OUR

1:27:34COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WHETHER

1:27:36THAT'S RESIDENTS OR OUR, YOU

1:27:38KNOW, STAFF AS WELL.

1:27:41>> OKAY.

1:27:41>> JUST AS WE WERE DISCUSSING

1:27:43EARLIER, MR. KEMPER WAS

1:27:44ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS ABOUT

1:27:46WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT HE

1:27:47HAD READILY AVAILABLE

1:27:49INFORMATION, A DASHBOARD THAT

1:27:50HE'LL BE ASKING FOR. I HOPE

1:27:51THAT THERE'S AS MUCH COMMITMENT

1:27:54TO GETTING THAT TYPE OF

1:27:55BASELINE INFORMATION

1:27:57CONSISTENTLY. ON HOW THE

1:27:59RESIDENTS ARE EXPERIENCING

1:28:01THEIR THEIR LIVABILITY AT THE

1:28:03SITES AND, AND GETTING MORE

1:28:06CONSISTENCY AND TRANSPARENCY

1:28:08ABOUT THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

1:28:10>> YES, DEFINITELY. THAT'S

1:28:11SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL VERY

1:28:12INTERESTED IN, AND WE LOOK

1:28:14FORWARD TO HAVING. BRIAN. WE

1:28:16DEFINITELY NEEDED THAT RESIDENT

1:28:18COMMISSIONER, YOU KNOW, VOICE

1:28:20AND PERSPECTIVE ON THE THE

1:28:22LEADERSHIP TEAM SO THAT WE CAN

1:28:24MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INCLUDING

1:28:25THAT PERSPECTIVE IN EVERYTHING

1:28:27WE DO.

1:28:29>> YEAH, I WILL DEFINITELY MAKE

1:28:31SURE AS A COUNCILOR THAT I'LL

1:28:33BE SEEKING THAT INFORMATION

1:28:35CONSISTENTLY, ESPECIALLY IN THE

1:28:36PROPERTIES IN DISTRICT TWO. SO

1:28:38THANK YOU.

1:28:39>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR RYAN.

1:28:41I'M GONNA GO TO COUNCILOR SMITH,

1:28:42THEN MYSELF, AND THEN WE'LL GO

1:28:44TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY. WE WILL

1:28:45HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AFTER

1:28:46TESTIMONY TO KEEP DISCUSSING

1:28:47COUNCILOR SMITH.

1:28:49>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK

1:28:51YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS

1:28:53FORWARD. DCA OLIVEIRA, I KNOW

1:28:56THAT IN THESE TIMES IT'S VERY

1:28:58STRESSFUL. HOUSING IS VERY

1:29:00STRESSFUL ACROSS THE BOARD.

1:29:02AFFORDABILITY AND THE WHOLE

1:29:03NINE YARDS. AND I JUST WANT TO

1:29:05ASK THE THE FOLKS WHO ARE

1:29:07TRYING TO BE IN THIS POSITION,

1:29:09WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE SINGLE

1:29:11MOST IMPORTANT ATTRIBUTE THAT

1:29:14YOU SHOULD HAVE WHEN YOU'RE IN

1:29:16THESE KIND OF STRESSFUL

1:29:18SITUATIONS? HOW DO YOU RESPOND?

1:29:25>> ASK THAT AGAIN. I WANT TO

1:29:26MAKE SURE I GOT THAT RIGHT.

1:29:28>> WHAT WHAT KIND OF QUALITIES

1:29:30DO YOU THINK THAT SOMEONE IN

1:29:32YOUR POSITION SHOULD, SHOULD

1:29:33HAVE TO DEAL IN THESE KIND OF

1:29:35VERY STRESSFUL HOUSING

1:29:36SITUATIONS, AND YOU'RE GOING TO

1:29:38BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SITTING ON

1:29:39THIS BOARD, AND EVERYBODY'S

1:29:42GOING TO WANT TO KNOW, WHEN ARE

1:29:43WE GOING TO FILL THESE

1:29:44VACANCIES? WHAT CAN WE DO? HOW

1:29:46DO YOU HOW DO YOU DEAL IN THOSE

1:29:47KIND OF HIGH PRESSURE

1:29:49SITUATIONS?

1:29:52>> I THINK PROBABLY THE

1:29:54GREATEST ATTRIBUTE WOULD BE

1:29:56OPENNESS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,

1:29:59IT'S ALWAYS BOILING DOWN TO

1:30:01TENANT VERSUS COMMUNITY AND A

1:30:03LOT OF THOSE SITUATIONS. AND SO

1:30:05IT'S REALLY IT'S GETTING AN

1:30:08UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE REAL

1:30:10DEAL IS. AND I THINK YOU JUST,

1:30:13IT'S OPENNESS TO, TO WHAT THE

1:30:15FACTS ARE.

1:30:15>> GETTING TO THE POINT. I LIKE

1:30:18THAT.

1:30:20>> AND FOR ME, I'VE, I GET TOLD

1:30:22A LOT. I ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

1:30:25IT'S MY NATURE. I JUST ASK A

1:30:27LOT OF QUESTIONS. SO IN THESE

1:30:28STRESSFUL OPPORTUNITIES

1:30:29ENVIRONMENTS, I WANT TO ASK,

1:30:32YOU KNOW, SEEK TO UNDERSTAND

1:30:34KIND OF MENTALITY, RIGHT? I, IT

1:30:37KIND OF GOES ALONG THE OPENNESS

1:30:38LINE, BUT ASKING A LOT OF

1:30:39QUESTIONS BECAUSE IF WE DON'T

1:30:41ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS, WE

1:30:42DON'T ASK THE EASY QUESTIONS.

1:30:44YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T

1:30:45KNOW. SO I SOMETIMES I CAN COME

1:30:48OFF A LITTLE INTERROGATING AND

1:30:49I TRY TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT,

1:30:51BUT ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS

1:30:52BECAUSE I THINK THAT IF WE'RE

1:30:54IN A ROOM WITH VERY PASSIONATE

1:30:56LEADERS LIKE MR. KEMPER OR MR.

1:30:59HARVEY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A

1:31:01LOT OF DIFFERING OPINIONS AND A

1:31:02LOT OF DIFFERING WAYS TO LOOK

1:31:04AT THINGS. SO I THINK ASKING A

1:31:06LOT OF QUESTIONS IS IMPORTANT.

1:31:07>> THAT'S VERY GOOD. THAT'S

1:31:08VERY GOOD TO HEAR, BECAUSE YOU

1:31:10WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH

1:31:11TRYING TO FOLLOW THE MONEY OR

1:31:12THE LACK THEREOF.

1:31:13>> I THINK THAT THAT'S THE VERY

1:31:15FIRST THING I'D LOVE TO ASK

1:31:16MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW,

1:31:19AND YOU TALK ABOUT THE OTHER

1:31:20THING IS IT'S THE BOARD HAS TO

1:31:22MAKE SURE THE LEADERSHIP IS

1:31:24CORRECT AND, AND MAKING SURE

1:31:26THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD CAN,

1:31:27AS YOU KNOW, SET KIND OF THE

1:31:29FOUNDATION, BUT THEY HAVE TO

1:31:31HAVE THE LEADERSHIP IN PLACE TO

1:31:32BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.

1:31:35>> EXACTLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH

1:31:36FOR YOUR ANSWERS.

1:31:38>> THANKS. WE HAVE ONE PERSON

1:31:40SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY,

1:31:41SO I'M ACTUALLY JUST GOING TO

1:31:42WAIT FOR MYSELF UNTIL AFTER

1:31:43THAT. DIEGO, COULD YOU PLEASE

1:31:45CALL OUR TESTIFIER AND FEEL

1:31:47FREE TO STAY SEATED? I THINK

1:31:48THEY'RE ONLINE.

1:31:51>> ADDY SMITH ADDY IS ONLINE.

1:31:54JUST NEED A FEW SECONDS TO GET

1:31:56THEM IN THE ROOM. AND ADDY, IF

1:32:03YOU CAN HEAR US, YOU MAY BEGIN

1:32:04YOUR TESTIMONY WHEN YOU'RE

1:32:05READY.

1:32:10>> HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME?

1:32:12>> WE CAN HEAR YOU.

1:32:14>> THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS

1:32:16ANDY SMITH. TODAY'S. WEDNESDAY,

1:32:19OCTOBER 21ST, 2026. I'M

1:32:20SPEAKING BEFORE THE PORTLAND

1:32:22CITY COUNCIL, FINANCE AND

1:32:23GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE OF THE

1:32:25WHOLE MEETING. TODAY, THE

1:32:26COUNCIL WILL BE VOTING TO

1:32:28APPOINT OR APPOINTING ALL WHITE

1:32:30MEN AND TWO BUSINESS OWNERS.

1:32:32WHERE ARE THE BLACK PEOPLE?

1:32:35THOMAS KEMPER WAS A SLUMLORD

1:32:36WHO WORKED IN AFFORDABLE

1:32:37HOUSING. URIAH EDMONDS OWNS

1:32:41BOCELLI'S RISTORANTE. I WOULD

1:32:43LIKE TO KNOW IF THESE BUSINESS

1:32:45OWNERS DONATED ANY MONEY TO ANY

1:32:46OF THE CURRENT CONSERVATIVES ON

1:32:48THE CITY COUNCIL, EITHER

1:32:49CURRENTLY RUNNING FOR

1:32:51REELECTION OR WOULD BE SEEKING

1:32:52REELECTION. HAVE ANY GRESHAM

1:32:54CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS RECEIVED

1:32:55DONATIONS FROM THESE BUSINESS

1:32:57OWNERS? WE ALL KNOW WHO THE

1:32:59CONSERVATIVES ARE ON THE CITY

1:33:00COUNCIL, AND BY NOW SHOULD HAVE

1:33:01READ THE REPORT ON THE DONOR

1:33:03HOUSEHOLDS THAT DONATED TO A

1:33:05REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN AND TO CITY

1:33:06COUNCIL CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATES.

1:33:08RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS, THERE

1:33:10APPEARS TO BE ONLY ONE BLACK

1:33:12COMMISSIONER ON HOME FORWARD'S

1:33:14BOARD. THAT'S DAMIAN HALL, AND

1:33:16HE MUST BE REMOVED ALONG WITH

1:33:18JENNY KIM, CATHY KEITHLEY,

1:33:20MATTHEW GEPHARDT, JESSE LEDESMA

1:33:22AND BRIANNE PRESTON. WHILE THE

1:33:24U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND

1:33:26URBAN DEVELOPMENT OFFICE OF

1:33:27INSPECTOR GENERAL IS

1:33:29INVESTIGATING FORMER HOME

1:33:30FORWARD CEO IVORY MATTHEWS,

1:33:32THEY SHOULD BE INVESTING,

1:33:34INVESTIGATING HOME FORWARD AND

1:33:35ITS BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.

1:33:37THEY APPROVED ALL OF THE TRAVEL

1:33:39AND EXPENSES FOR MISS MATTHEWS.

1:33:42IT IS A MISTAKE TO APPROVE

1:33:43THESE APPOINTMENTS. I AM

1:33:45AGAINST IT. I VEHEMENTLY REJECT

1:33:47THE APPOINTMENT OF THOMAS

1:33:48KEMPER AND URIAH EDMONDS. I

1:33:51WANT TO READ THE EMAIL THAT I

1:33:53RECEIVED FROM CHAIR EMERITUS

1:33:55MATTHEW GEPHARDT. HELLO, MISS

1:33:57SMITH, THERE ARE NO OTHER

1:34:00RESIGNATIONS TO REPORT. THE

1:34:01BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS HAS

1:34:03APPOINTED MICHAEL AS THE

1:34:04INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, AND

1:34:06HE WILL BE MAKING ANY OTHER

1:34:07HIRING DECISIONS THAT MAY BE

1:34:09NEEDED. THE BOARD APPRECIATES

1:34:11YOUR OFFER AND WILL NOT BE

1:34:13APPOINTING YOU TO A POSITION.

1:34:17ALLOW ME TO INFORM ALL OF YOU

1:34:18THAT I HAVE NEVER BEEN ASKED TO

1:34:21BE APPOINTED TO THE BOARD.

1:34:23EVERYONE HERE HAS ALLOWED

1:34:25MATTHEW GEPHARDT TO

1:34:26DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ME. WITH

1:34:27THAT EMAIL, HOWEVER, I WOULD

1:34:29LIKE TO KNOW WHY I WOULDN'T BE

1:34:32CONSIDERED OR SHOULDN'T BE

1:34:34CONSIDERED. IS IT BECAUSE I

1:34:35WOULD ACTUALLY ACT WITH

1:34:37COMPETENCE AND ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE?

1:34:39IS IT BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY

1:34:41QUALIFIED AND HAVE ACTUAL

1:34:43EXPERIENCE TO BE ON THE BOARD

1:34:45OR TO BE HIRED TO WORK THERE?

1:34:47IS IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE ME?

1:34:49LET'S UNPACK THAT. IS IT

1:34:51BECAUSE I WOULDN'T TRY TO STEAL

1:34:52OR HIDE MONEY OR PLAY THE GAME?

1:34:54PLEASE ALLOW ME TO JUST FINISH.

1:34:56I'M GOING TO GO OVER THE THREE

1:34:58MINUTES. PLEASE.

1:35:00>> 30S.

1:35:01>> OR IS IT BECAUSE I WILL NOT?

1:35:03IS IT BECAUSE I WILL NOT KNOW

1:35:05WHERE THE BODIES ARE BURIED AND

1:35:06KEEP IT A SECRET? WHAT'S MY

1:35:08DISQUALIFIER? IS IT BECAUSE I'M

1:35:10A BLACK WOMAN? IS IT BECAUSE

1:35:11I'M OUTSPOKEN? SOMEONE EMAILED

1:35:13ME AND TELL ME WHAT IT IS. IS

1:35:15IT BECAUSE I KNOW, MATTER OF

1:35:16FACT, THAT IAN DAVIE SHOULD BE

1:35:18TERMINATED AND MICHAEL

1:35:19BUONOCORE NEVER SHOULD HAVE

1:35:20BEEN HIRED TO COME BACK. HE

1:35:23LACKS THE KNOWLEDGE, EXPERIENCE

1:35:25AND QUALIFICATIONS. MATTHEW

1:35:28GEPHARDT STEPPED DOWN FROM THE

1:35:29BOARD CHAIR AFTER I EMAILED THE

1:35:31BOARD AND THE ADMINISTRATORS

1:35:32ABOUT HIS EMAIL TO ME.

1:35:34>> THANK YOU FOR TESTIFYING.

1:35:37THANK YOU.

1:35:42>> THAT CONCLUDES TESTIMONY.

1:35:44>> THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO

1:35:45REOPEN THE QUEUE. I KNOW

1:35:47COUNCILOR KOYAMA LANE HAS

1:35:49WAITED, SO I'LL GO YOU AND THEN

1:35:51MYSELF.

1:35:53>> THANK YOU CHAIR. THANK YOU

1:35:55EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

1:35:57IT'S BEEN GREAT TO HEAR FROM

1:35:58YOU AND TO LEARN MORE ABOUT

1:36:00YOUR WORK. I'M WONDERING IF ANY

1:36:02OF YOU WANT TO SHARE HOW YOU

1:36:06ENVISION WORKING WITH US ON

1:36:08COUNCIL. WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK

1:36:10LIKE? WHAT'S THE BEST FORM OF

1:36:12COMMUNICATION WITH THE BOARD?

1:36:15AND IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS

1:36:17AROUND THAT. AND IF THERE ARE

1:36:21WAYS THAT YOU THINK COUNCIL CAN

1:36:22BE ENGAGING MORE OR BETTER.

1:36:24>> DO YOU MIND IF I GO FIRST

1:36:26THIS TIME?

1:36:26>> YES.

1:36:27>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

1:36:31I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S

1:36:32THERE'S KIND OF PROCESSES IN

1:36:34PLACE FOR A REASON TO TRY TO

1:36:35MAKE SURE COMMUNICATION STAYS

1:36:38VALID BETWEEN GROUPS. AND I

1:36:40THINK A STRONG CHAIR OF A BOARD

1:36:44SHOULD BE ABLE TO HELP THOSE

1:36:46COMMUNICATIONS JUST THAT WAY.

1:36:48YOU'RE NOT GETTING A LOT OF

1:36:49CROSS DIALOG. RIGHT. AND I

1:36:51THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT

1:36:52THAT YOUR YOUR CHAIR KIND OF

1:36:54BEES THAT BE THAT FOCAL POINT.

1:36:56BUT I'M ALWAYS, I'M ALWAYS OPEN

1:37:00TO SIT DOWN FOR LUNCHES AND

1:37:01COFFEES AND JUST REALLY TALK

1:37:03BECAUSE I THINK OPENNESS IS

1:37:04WHAT'S GOING TO HELP US GET

1:37:05THROUGH A LOT OF THESE OTHER

1:37:07CHALLENGES THAT EXIST FROM

1:37:09EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW. SO BUT I

1:37:11WOULD SAY THAT IT NEEDS TO

1:37:13START WITH A CHAIR, A STRONG

1:37:14CHAIR, CHAIR POSITION THAT

1:37:16GIVES YOU THOSE COMMUNICATIONS.

1:37:20>> I'M NOT SURE HOW TO RESPOND

1:37:22TO THAT. I HADN'T REALLY

1:37:24THOUGHT ABOUT IT. I'D BE OPEN

1:37:26TO ANY SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SORT

1:37:28OF DIALOG OR MECHANISM. I KNOW

1:37:31THAT THERE'S THAT THE, THE

1:37:32MAYOR'S CREATING A TASK FORCE,

1:37:34YOU KNOW, TO ATTACK THE, THE

1:37:37HOUSING ISSUE AND, AND MAYBE

1:37:39THAT'S THE RIGHT VEHICLE FOR,

1:37:41FOR DIALOG. BUT I MEAN, I'D BE

1:37:44TOTALLY OPEN TO, TO ONGOING

1:37:48INTERACTION WITH, WITH, WITH

1:37:50ANY COUNCILOR WHO WANTS TO KNOW

1:37:53WHAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OR, OR

1:37:55EXPERIENCING AS A BOARD MEMBER.

1:37:59>> AND I DIDN'T HAVE LIKE A

1:38:01RIGHT ANSWER IN MY MIND OR

1:38:02ANYTHING. I'M REALLY JUST

1:38:03WONDERING, PEOPLE DO BRING

1:38:05QUESTIONS TO US ABOUT HOME

1:38:08FORWARD, AND SOMETIMES I FEEL

1:38:10LIKE I WISH I KNEW MORE AND HAD

1:38:12MORE CONTEXT. DOES CHAIR KIM,

1:38:15DO YOU WANT TO SHARE ANYTHING?

1:38:16YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

1:38:21>> I WOULD SAY WE ARE KIND OF

1:38:24REBUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.

1:38:26YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN REALLY

1:38:27WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH DCA

1:38:31OLIVEIRA AND WITH MAYOR WILSON.

1:38:35AND WE'RE HOPING THAT IF WE CAN

1:38:38HAVE MORE OF A FULL BOARD, THAT

1:38:40WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SET

1:38:41UP A FUTURE MEETING WITH THE

1:38:43COUNCIL SO WE CAN HAVE MORE

1:38:45DISCUSSIONS. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO

1:38:46SHARE ANY INFORMATION, TALK

1:38:50ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND

1:38:54ALSO OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE

1:38:56POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIPS AND

1:38:57SUPPORT THAT WE CAN GET FROM

1:38:59THE CITY AS WELL TOO, BECAUSE

1:39:00OUR SUCCESS DEFINITELY DEPENDS

1:39:02A LOT ON PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE

1:39:03CITY AND THE COUNTY.

1:39:06>> AND CURRENTLY, ARE THERE

1:39:07REOCCURRING MEETINGS THAT ARE

1:39:10SCHEDULED WITH COUNCIL

1:39:12PRESIDENT OR MAYOR, OR ARE

1:39:14THOSE SET UP KIND OF ONE AT A

1:39:16TIME?

1:39:18>> FOR NOW, WE HAVE. IT HASN'T

1:39:22BEEN LIKE REGULAR CADENCE. WE

1:39:24DO HAVE A REGULAR MEETING SET

1:39:25UP WITH LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR

1:39:27LABOR UNION FOLKS. AND THAT HAS

1:39:28BEEN ESTABLISHED, BUT WE'RE

1:39:30TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT

1:39:33MAKES SENSE, ESPECIALLY SINCE

1:39:34WE'RE SO UNDER, I GUESS WE, YOU

1:39:39KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A FULL

1:39:41QUORUM OR THE FULL BODY OF THE

1:39:42COMMISSIONERS RIGHT NOW. SO

1:39:43WE'RE A LITTLE STRETCHED THIN.

1:39:45YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT WE ARE

1:39:47VOLUNTEER COMMISSIONERS AND

1:39:48MOST OF US HAVE DAY JOBS. WE'RE

1:39:50TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN, BUT

1:39:52WE HAVE HAD MEETINGS WITH MAYOR,

1:39:55HAVE DONE SOME PROPERTY TOURS

1:39:56TOGETHER AND HAD, I WOULD SAY,

1:39:59AT LEAST 1 OR 2 MEETING A MONTH

1:40:01SO FAR WITH THE CITY AND

1:40:03REPRESENTATIVE.

1:40:04>> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR SHARING

1:40:05THAT. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE ONCE

1:40:07THIS BOARD KIND OF GETS ITS

1:40:09FOOTING, THAT THERE'S A CHANCE

1:40:10TO THINK ABOUT WHAT MAKES THE

1:40:12MOST SENSE AND THINK ABOUT HOW

1:40:13COUNCIL CAN BE ENGAGING AND

1:40:16SUPPORTIVE. AND IS, IS BRIAN

1:40:19STILL ON HERE? YEAH, I JUST

1:40:21WANTED TO SAY TO BRIAN, I FEEL

1:40:23LIKE IT'S VERY BRAVE FOR YOU TO

1:40:25SHARE HOW YOU WERE FEELING. AND

1:40:28I, WHEN I WON TWO YEARS AGO, I

1:40:29WAS LITERALLY TEACHING IN A

1:40:31THIRD GRADE CLASSROOM, AND

1:40:33BEING ON THIS DAIS MADE ME FEEL

1:40:34SICK TO MY STOMACH. AND I HATED

1:40:37TALKING. I STILL DON'T LOVE IT,

1:40:38BUT JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT

1:40:41LIKE, THAT'S PART OF WHY WE

1:40:42NEED YOU HERE. WE NEED PEOPLE

1:40:43THAT MAYBE AREN'T ALWAYS IN

1:40:45THESE SPACES OR DON'T LIKE,

1:40:47FEEL SUPER COMFORTABLE OR

1:40:49NECESSARILY EVEN LIKE WANT THE

1:40:50SPOTLIGHT OR WANT TO BE TALKING

1:40:52INTO THE MICROPHONE ALL THE

1:40:54TIME. SO PLEASE KNOW THAT YOUR,

1:40:57YOUR BACKGROUND AND WHAT YOU'RE

1:40:58BRINGING IS, IS REALLY VALUABLE.

1:41:00AND ALSO KNOW AT THE END OF THE

1:41:02DAY, LIKE, NO ONE'S WATCHING

1:41:03THIS REALLY, IT'S MY MOM, LIKE

1:41:05ON YOUTUBE. LIKE IT'S, DON'T

1:41:07WORRY ABOUT IT. I'M DOING GREAT.

1:41:11>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR KOYAMA

1:41:12LANE. I'M NEXT IN THE QUEUE, SO

1:41:15I'M GOING TO JUST GET THIS OUT

1:41:17OF THE WAY BECAUSE I THINK IT

1:41:18MAY HELP FRAME OTHER QUESTIONS.

1:41:20I HAVE NO INTENTION OF, OF

1:41:23HAVING ANY CONCERN AROUND THE

1:41:24THREE PARTICULAR NOMINEES FOR

1:41:27SEVERAL FIRST WITH WITH MR.

1:41:28EDMONDS, YOUR QUALIFICATIONS,

1:41:29BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT I THINK

1:41:32OUR IGA TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW,

1:41:34WE'RE EFFECTIVELY MAKING SURE

1:41:35THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH GRESHAM'S

1:41:37NOMINATION. I WANT TO HONOR

1:41:38THAT IGA AS WELL. BUT EVEN

1:41:40OTHERWISE, I AGREE WITH OUR TWO

1:41:44PORTLAND REPRESENTATIVES. I

1:41:45THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO

1:41:47EXERCISE A LITTLE BIT MORE

1:41:49ASSESSMENT, DISCRETION AND

1:41:50THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I'LL JUST

1:41:52NOTE WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN

1:41:55THERE WAS A A LEADERSHIP CHANGE

1:41:56OVER AT AT HOME FORWARD, I,

1:41:59THERE WERE COLLEAGUES OF OURS,

1:42:01INCLUDING COLLEAGUES WHO ARE

1:42:03HERE AND COLLEAGUES THAT ARE

1:42:04NOT WHO TALKED ABOUT MAKING

1:42:05LARGER SCALE CHANGES TO THE

1:42:06HOME FORWARD BOARD, NOT LOOKING,

1:42:09NOT WAITING FOR ATTRITION, BUT,

1:42:11BUT ACTUALLY ACTIVELY GOING IN

1:42:13AND MAKING CHANGES. YOU'VE

1:42:15HEARD THAT REFERENCED EARLIER

1:42:16TODAY AS WELL. AND I SPOKE TO

1:42:18TO INTERIM DIRECTOR BUONOCORE

1:42:19ABOUT IT, AND IT HELPED ME GET

1:42:22AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE

1:42:24SITUATION WAS AND HOW

1:42:25LEADERSHIP CHANGE IS BEST ABLE

1:42:28TO HAPPEN. I'M DISAPPOINTED

1:42:30THAT HE'S NOT HERE. CAN YOU

1:42:32SPEAK TO WHY WE'RE HEARING FROM

1:42:34THE CITY SIDE AND NOT FROM HOME

1:42:37FORWARDS? LEADERSHIP?

1:42:38>> THANKS FOR THE QUESTION,

1:42:40CHAIR. WELL, FIRST, THE BOARD.

1:42:43THE BOARD CHAIRS IS HERE, JENNY

1:42:45KIM. AND AND GIVEN THAT THIS

1:42:47THESE APPOINTMENTS ONE COUNCIL

1:42:50PRESIDENT KEITH LEE IS HERE

1:42:52FROM GRESHAM TO REPRESENT THAT

1:42:54APPOINTMENT. AND THEN

1:42:54ESSENTIALLY ON BEHALF OF THE

1:42:55MAYOR, I'M HERE REPRESENTING

1:42:57THE TWO PORTLAND APPOINTMENTS.

1:42:59IT. AS A REMINDER, THE MAYOR

1:43:00MAKES THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TO

1:43:01YOU ALL, NOT NOT THE EDITOR OF

1:43:04THE HOME OF HOME FORWARD.

1:43:05>> OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. WE

1:43:10HAVE KIND OF USED THESE

1:43:11APPOINTMENTS AS AT COUNCIL IN

1:43:13THE LAST YEAR AND NINE MONTHS

1:43:15AS SORT OF A SOFT OVERSIGHT

1:43:16OPPORTUNITY FOR THE THINGS THAT

1:43:18ARE BEING APPOINTED TO THAT

1:43:22OPPORTUNITY IS NOT REALLY

1:43:23PRESENT TODAY. AND SO YOU WILL

1:43:25NOTICE IN MY CHAIR'S UPDATE

1:43:26THAT HOME FORWARD HAS BEEN

1:43:28ADDED BACK TO THE LIST, THAT IT

1:43:29HAD BEEN REMOVED FROM A

1:43:31POTENTIAL OVERSIGHT TOPICS. SO

1:43:32I JUST WANT TO FLAG THAT FOR

1:43:33EVERYBODY THAT, THAT THAT'S

1:43:35SOMETHING THAT I THINK NEEDS TO

1:43:37HAPPEN AT THIS POINT. I AGAIN,

1:43:40AM DISAPPOINTED HAVE A LOT OF

1:43:41RESPECT FOR FOR INTERIM

1:43:43DIRECTOR BUONOCORE AND WANT TO

1:43:43MAKE SURE THAT THAT

1:43:44CONVERSATION CAN HAPPEN. I, I

1:43:50AGREE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH

1:43:51COLLEAGUE BROUGHT UP THE IDEA

1:43:53OF HAVING MORE THAN ONE

1:43:54RESIDENT COMMISSIONER. I THINK

1:43:55THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. WELL,

1:43:56THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR RYAN.

1:43:58THERE WAS ANOTHER PERSON WHO

1:44:00WAS BEING CONSIDERED EARLIER

1:44:01WHO WAS COME AND TESTIFIED.

1:44:03THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WHILE

1:44:04THERE'S ONE, I CAN'T THINK OF A

1:44:06BETTER SET OF QUALIFICATIONS

1:44:07THAN WHAT I SAW FROM FROM BRIAN

1:44:09HARVEY. AND I WANTED TO FOLLOW

1:44:10UP ON A QUESTION THAT THE

1:44:14RESPONSE THAT I GOT THAT HE

1:44:15GAVE TO COUNCILOR PIRTLE-GUINEY

1:44:18QUESTION EARLIER, AND IT'S

1:44:20REALLY A QUESTION FOR FOR YOU.

1:44:22DCA OLIVEIRA BRIAN RESPONDED

1:44:24THAT HE WOULD NEED IN ORDER TO

1:44:25HELP WITH OTHER OTHER BUILDINGS,

1:44:27CONTACT INFO, AND THE ABILITY

1:44:28TO ENTER THE BUILDING IN ORDER

1:44:30TO HELP TENANTS FIGHT FOR

1:44:31THEMSELVES AND TOWERS THAT THAT

1:44:33HE WOULDN'T OTHERWISE HAVE

1:44:34ACCESS TO. CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT

1:44:36HOME FORWARD BOARD MEMBERS HAVE

1:44:38ACCESS TO THE COMMON SPACES IN

1:44:39HOME BUILDINGS?

1:44:41>> I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO DEFER

1:44:42THAT TO THE CHAIR. CHAIR KIM,

1:44:43CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION?

1:44:46>> YEAH. NONE OF US HAVE

1:44:48AUTOMATIC ACCESS TO ANY OF THE

1:44:50BUILDINGS. WE DO NOT HAVE THAT.

1:44:52THE ONLY ACCESS THAT WE HAVE

1:44:54REGULARLY IS TO OUR MAIN OFFICE

1:44:57BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN, WHERE WE

1:44:58HOLD OUR. COMMITTEE MEETINGS

1:45:02AND OUR WORK SESSIONS. WHEN WE

1:45:04DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT,

1:45:06IT'S NORMALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A

1:45:09COMMUNITY EVENT OR A LOCAL

1:45:12PROPERTY MANAGER WHO ALLOWS US

1:45:14TO TO ACCESS. SO IT'S NOT AN

1:45:16AUTOMATIC ACCESS. AND I DO

1:45:17THINK THAT FROM SAFETY, IT'S

1:45:22IT'S PROBABLY BETTER THAT WAY.

1:45:23BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE

1:45:24CAN TALK ABOUT LATER.

1:45:26>> CAN WE CHANGE THAT?

1:45:31>> THAT'S A QUESTION FOR YOU,

1:45:33BOARD CHAIR KIM. YEAH, YEAH.

1:45:35>> I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S

1:45:36SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DECIDE

1:45:37RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE

1:45:39A CONVERSATION WITH OUR SENIOR

1:45:40LEADERSHIP TEAM. AND MICHAEL,

1:45:43THERE MAY BE CONSEQUENCES OR

1:45:45CHALLENGES WITH LOGISTICS. I'M

1:45:46NOT A TECH PERSON WHEN IT COMES

1:45:48TO FOBS AND ACCESS, BUT I CAN

1:45:51DEFINITELY TAKE THAT BACK INTO

1:45:53CONSIDERATION AND, AND DISCUSS

1:45:55IT WITH THE BOARD AND THE

1:45:56LEADERSHIP.

1:45:57>> MR. KEMPER, WHEN YOU WERE AT

1:45:59CENTRAL OREGON'S HOUSING

1:46:01AUTHORITY, DID BOARD MEMBERS

1:46:02HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENTER AND

1:46:04TAKE A LOOK AND DO INSPECTIONS?

1:46:06>> NO.

1:46:07>> OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S REALLY

1:46:10CONCERNING TO ME. I'VE BEEN TO

1:46:11LOUISA FLOWERS. I'VE BEEN TO

1:46:13DAWSON PARK APARTMENTS,

1:46:13HOLLYWOOD PARK, THE, THE TOWER

1:46:15THAT'S MENTIONED IN THE ARTICLE

1:46:16THAT THAT COUNCILOR NOVICK

1:46:17MENTIONED. THESE ARE ALL IN MY

1:46:19DISTRICT THAT I SHARE WITH

1:46:20COUNCILOR RYAN AND COUNCILOR

1:46:21PIRTLE-GUINEY AND THE. I WANT

1:46:24BOARD MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO GO

1:46:26IN AND SEE AND TALK TO THE

1:46:27RESIDENTS. I'M. I DON'T EVEN

1:46:30KNOW THAT IT'S ANSWERS LIKE

1:46:32THIS THAT GIVE ME PAUSE ABOUT

1:46:34MAKING GRANULAR CHANGES TO

1:46:36BOARD MEMBERS THAT I WANT TO

1:46:38SUPPORT EACH OF YOUR

1:46:39APPOINTMENTS. BUT IT MAKES ME

1:46:41THINK THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD BE

1:46:42HAVING THE BROADER CONVERSATION

1:46:43ABOUT CLEANING HOUSE. THAT

1:46:46REALLY CONCERNS ME WHEN I HEAR

1:46:48THAT THAT THAT'S THAT THAT THE

1:46:50INTENTION IS TO KEEP IT THAT

1:46:51WAY FROM THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD.

1:46:53THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH

1:46:54YOUR APPOINTMENTS. IT'S NOT

1:46:55GOING TO AFFECT MY VOTE, BUT I

1:46:57WANT TO AT LEAST DAYLIGHT THAT

1:46:59ISSUE HERE.

1:46:59>> CAN I CHAIR KANAL? I'M SORRY.

1:47:01I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT

1:47:02COUNCIL PRESIDENT KEIGHLEY HAS

1:47:03HER HAND RAISED.

1:47:04>> OH, GREAT. YEAH, PLEASE.

1:47:06>> I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT

1:47:08IT CERTAINLY. I WAS APPOINTED

1:47:10VICE CHAIR ALONG WITH THE NEW

1:47:13CHAIR, AND WE HAVE HAD MEETINGS

1:47:16AT DIFFERENT UNITS. WHEN WE DO

1:47:19MEET, I DON'T KNOW THAT RIGHT

1:47:23NOW IT WOULD BE FOR ME. IT'S

1:47:26BEEN BROUGHT UP. WE ABSOLUTELY

1:47:27SHOULD CONSIDER IT AS A BOARD.

1:47:29WHAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT IS TO

1:47:31IDENTIFY WHAT IS EXACTLY THE

1:47:33PURPOSE OF US. WHAT ARE WE

1:47:35TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY GIVING

1:47:37ACCESS TO BOARD MEMBERS? AS

1:47:38SOON AS WE IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE

1:47:40WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH,

1:47:42THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT EXACTLY

1:47:43THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. I THINK

1:47:45THAT AS WE TRY TO BALANCE

1:47:47TENANTS AND SAFETY OF COMMUNITY

1:47:49MEMBERS, WE ALSO HAVE TO

1:47:50BALANCE SAFETY IN PROPERTIES AT

1:47:53LARGE. AND EVERY TIME WE ADD

1:47:55SOMEBODY THAT CAN JUST WANDER

1:47:57IN. I'M NOT SAYING AT ALL THAT

1:47:59I'M AGAINST LOOKING INTO THAT,

1:48:01BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE

1:48:02THE BOARD'S PURVIEW TO REALLY

1:48:04ASK QUESTIONS. AS URIAH TALKED

1:48:07ABOUT AND HAVE CLEAR,

1:48:10DEFINITIVE OBJECTIVES, AND THEN

1:48:12GO ABOUT FINDING OUT THE BEST

1:48:13WAY TO MEET THOSE OBJECTIVES.

1:48:15THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

1:48:18>> I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER.

1:48:19AND I DO THINK IT I'M NOT

1:48:21LOOKING FOR A COMMITMENT. I

1:48:22HONESTLY THOUGHT THE ANSWER WAS

1:48:23GOING TO BE YES WHEN I ASKED

1:48:24THAT QUESTION, AND IT WOULD BE

1:48:26MOVING ON IN FIVE SECONDS. I

1:48:27I'M NOT WAS NOT PREPARED TO

1:48:29HAVE A LONG CONVERSATION ON IT

1:48:30FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, BUT NOT

1:48:33LOOKING FOR A COMMITMENT TO

1:48:34CHANGE A POLICY HERE LIVE, BUT

1:48:35TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT

1:48:37IT MAKES SENSE. AND I

1:48:38APPRECIATE THE APPROACH THERE.

1:48:39I DO THINK THAT THAT THE PEOPLE

1:48:41THAT WE ARE ENTRUSTING ELECTED

1:48:43OFFICIALS ARE VOTING TO APPOINT,

1:48:45HAVING ACCESS TO THE COMMON

1:48:47AREAS MAKES SENSE TO BE ABLE TO

1:48:49DO SITE VISITS AND TO MEET AND

1:48:50GET TO KNOW SOME OF THE

1:48:52RESIDENTS. BECAUSE HAVING MET

1:48:53WITH SEVERAL RESIDENTS AND

1:48:55SEVERAL OF THESE BUILDINGS,

1:48:56THERE'S SOME DISCONTENT, NOT

1:48:58NECESSARILY WITH HOME FORWARD

1:48:59DIRECTLY, BUT WITH THE THE

1:49:01PROPERTY MANAGERS. AND I,

1:49:06BECAUSE I KIND OF SPENT MORE

1:49:07TIME ON THAT PARTICULAR POINT

1:49:08THAN I WANTED TO. I WON'T DIG

1:49:10TOO DEEP INTO THIS, EXCEPT TO

1:49:12SAY THAT THAT'S A CONVERSATION

1:49:14THAT SHOULD BE HAD ON ITS OWN

1:49:16ABOUT PROPERTY MANAGERS AND THE

1:49:18SELECTIONS. WE'VE MENTIONED A

1:49:19COUPLE I WON'T, YOU KNOW, TRY

1:49:21TO EMBARRASS ANY ONE COMPANY,

1:49:23BUT THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT

1:49:24WERE MENTIONED TODAY THAT HAVE

1:49:25BEEN IN THIS CONVERSATION THAT

1:49:27THAT HAVE BEEN UNDER A LOT OF

1:49:29SCRUTINY IN SOME BUILDINGS AND

1:49:30ALSO PRAISED IN OTHERS BECAUSE

1:49:32IT'S ACTUALLY VERY MUCH ABOUT

1:49:34THE COMPANY, BUT ALSO THE

1:49:35SPECIFIC STAFF. OBVIOUSLY, AS

1:49:37I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW. WHO.

1:49:45BRIAN, THANKS SO MUCH AGAIN FOR

1:49:47BEING HERE, AND I AM EXCITED TO

1:49:50HAVE YOU BE ON THIS. I THINK

1:49:52HAVING SOMEONE WHO CAN ORGANIZE.

1:49:57WILL BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THE

1:49:59PEOPLE IN, IN THE BUILDINGS

1:50:02THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, AND I

1:50:04GUESS I'D INVITE ALL THREE OF

1:50:05YOU, BUT IN PARTICULAR OUR TWO

1:50:07PORTLAND APPOINTEES. I WILL SET

1:50:10UP THE TOURS IF IF NEEDED,

1:50:12BECAUSE I HAVE MANAGED TO GET

1:50:14INTO AND HOME FORWARD

1:50:15MANAGEMENT HAS BEEN VERY

1:50:16HELPFUL WHEN I'VE ASKED TO HAVE

1:50:19THE ABILITY TO GO SEE A

1:50:21BUILDING. SO I'M HAPPY TO DO

1:50:23THAT. IF YOU EVER NEED IT. AND

1:50:25PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT

1:50:26TO COUNCIL ABOUT IT. BUT WHAT

1:50:28I'D ASK FOR YOU BOTH TO DO IS

1:50:30TO NOT ACCEPT THE IDEA THAT

1:50:32SPEAKING TO THE CITY MEANS

1:50:34SPEAKING TO THE ELECTED LEADERS,

1:50:36BECAUSE IT ONLY MEANS, LIKE THE

1:50:38EXPLANATION IN RESPONSE TO

1:50:39COUNCILOR KOYAMA LANE QUESTION

1:50:41WAS ALL ABOUT MEETING WITH THE

1:50:42MAYOR. YOU SHOULD MEET WITH THE

1:50:44MAYOR. THAT'S GOOD. PLEASE DO.

1:50:45THAT'S NOT MEETING WITH THE

1:50:46COUNCIL. AND SO I WOULD LOVE IT

1:50:50IF IF THERE WAS A STRATEGY TO

1:50:51SPEAK TO. AND I DON'T THINK

1:50:53IT'S NECESSARILY YOUR

1:50:54OBLIGATION, MR. EDMONDS, TO

1:50:55SPEAK TO THE PORTLAND CITY

1:50:56COUNCIL, BUT TO TO OUR PORTLAND

1:51:00REPRESENTATIVES TO PLEASE FEEL

1:51:02FREE TO REACH OUT. PLEASE FEEL

1:51:03A NEED TO REACH OUT BECAUSE WE

1:51:06ARE HEARING A LOT FROM OUR

1:51:08CONSTITUENTS IN A LOT OF

1:51:09DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. THE LAST

1:51:12QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK IS

1:51:15KIND OF TO COUNCILOR NOVICK

1:51:17POINT ABOUT THE THE BALANCES

1:51:20THAT YOU STRIKE. THERE HAVE

1:51:22BEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS AROUND

1:51:25THE SCREENING CRITERIA, AND

1:51:28THERE WAS A CHANGE MADE IN 2022,

1:51:30I BELIEVE, TO THE SCREENING

1:51:32CRITERIA USED BY HOME FORWARD

1:51:34THAT DEALS KIND OF IN A VERY

1:51:38NARROW WAY TO COUNCILOR NOVICK

1:51:40QUESTION. AND MY QUESTION FOR

1:51:42YOU IS HOW WOULD YOU WHAT WOULD

1:51:44BE YOUR PROCESS FOR EVALUATING?

1:51:49I DON'T CARE WHAT THE OUTCOME

1:51:51IS RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT WOULD BE

1:51:52YOUR PROCESS FOR EVALUATING IF

1:51:53CHANGES SHOULD BE MADE TO

1:51:55SCREENING CRITERIA? HOW WOULD

1:51:55YOU WHAT WOULD BE YOUR STEPS

1:51:57FOR GETTING TO AN ANSWER?

1:52:00>> I THINK I WOULD BE TALKING

1:52:03TO THE EXISTING STAFF ABOUT

1:52:05WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE,

1:52:07AND THEN I'D GO TALK TO A BUNCH

1:52:09OF PROPERTY MANAGEMENT

1:52:10COMPANIES AND WHAT THEY'RE

1:52:12DOING, WHAT THEY'RE SEEING,

1:52:13WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING, AND

1:52:15TRY TO GET, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A

1:52:17CONSENSUS OF, OF WHAT THE THE

1:52:20RIGHT ANSWER WOULD BE. BUT I

1:52:22THINK YOU REALLY GOT TO TALK TO

1:52:24A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ABOUT, YOU

1:52:25KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING

1:52:26AND WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING.

1:52:28THAT'S HOW I WOULD APPROACH IT.

1:52:31THANKS.

1:52:33>> AND I GUESS SAME QUESTION

1:52:34FOR YOU, BRIAN.

1:52:39>> AND SORRY, I WAS LISTENING,

1:52:41BUT WHAT WAS THE QUESTION?

1:52:43>> YOU KNOW, THE SCREENING

1:52:45CRITERIA THAT THAT HOME FORWARD

1:52:46USES TO DETERMINE SHOULD

1:52:47SOMEBODY BE ALLOWED TO, TO RENT

1:52:49HERE? SHOULD SOMEONE BE ALLOWED

1:52:51TO STAY RENTING HERE? THERE

1:52:54HAVE BEEN THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF

1:52:55TALK ABOUT WHETHER THAT CHANGE

1:52:57THAT WAS MADE A COUPLE OF YEARS

1:52:58AGO IS GOOD, WHETHER THERE

1:52:59SHOULD BE FURTHER CHANGES. I'M

1:53:01JUST CURIOUS IF SOMEONE BROUGHT

1:53:02A PROPOSED CHANGE TO YOU, HOW

1:53:03WOULD YOU EVALUATE WHAT'S YOUR

1:53:05WHAT WHAT WOULD YOU BE DOING TO

1:53:06GET TO AN ANSWER?

1:53:08>> SURE. SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME

1:53:10REPORTING. I THINK WILLAMETTE

1:53:11WEEK HAD A BREAKDOWN OF THE

1:53:14STATISTICS THAT THEY THOUGHT

1:53:15WERE RELEVANT FOR THAT POLICY

1:53:17DECISION. I WOULD HOPE THAT

1:53:19HOME FORWARD COULD COME UP WITH

1:53:20THEIR OWN. I WOULD LIKE SOME

1:53:22TYPE OF IN-HOUSE NUMBERS THAT

1:53:24SHOW WHAT WE WHAT WE WERE

1:53:27EXPECTING AND WHAT HAPPENED.

1:53:29AND, AND THEN WE COULD MAKE A

1:53:31DECISION BASED ON THAT.

1:53:34>> THANKS. THAT'S IT FOR ME,

1:53:36COUNCILOR SMITH OR RYAN OR

1:53:38EITHER OF THOSE LEGACY HANDS OR

1:53:39THOSE BOTH REAL AT ONE POINT.

1:53:41OKAY. COUNCILOR RYAN, SHE. YEAH.

1:53:44AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON AFTER.

1:53:45>> THANK YOU. CHAIR, I WANT TO

1:53:47ELABORATE ON TWO POINTS. THE

1:53:49SURVEY OF RESIDENTS. AND I

1:53:51THINK THE DATA WAS MORE LOOKING

1:53:52AT BIG PICTURE. I'M HOME

1:53:54FORWARD. WE'VE BEEN TALKING A

1:53:55LOT ABOUT THE THE MANAGEMENT

1:53:58FIRMS, THE MANAGEMENT, THE

1:53:59PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES.

1:54:01AND I'VE EXPERIENCED THAT AS A

1:54:04SYSTEMIC CHALLENGE. I THINK

1:54:06THAT I THINK THEY'VE ALL BEEN

1:54:09SAYING THE SAME THING TO ME

1:54:10OVER THE LAST 5 TO 6 YEARS. AND

1:54:14I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE

1:54:16THEM AS A KEY AUDIENCE, BECAUSE

1:54:18HERE'S WHAT I REALLY THINK. I

1:54:19THINK THAT THIS EDITORIAL

1:54:20COMMENT THAT WE DID A GOOD JOB

1:54:22BUILDING A LOT OF NEW

1:54:23FACILITIES, I DON'T THINK WE

1:54:25WERE PREPARED FOR THE

1:54:27MANAGEMENT CHALLENGES OF THIS

1:54:29ERA THAT WE'RE IN. AND THE

1:54:32ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS, IS, IS

1:54:34FENTANYL. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF

1:54:36REPORTS OF DRUG USE AND SALES

1:54:39ON THE FLOORS IN MY DISTRICT

1:54:42AND HOW UNCOMFORTABLE PEOPLE

1:54:43ARE. TO DANCE AROUND THAT ISSUE,

1:54:47LITERALLY EVEN FEELING SAFE TO

1:54:48REPORT IT, IF YOU WILL. SO, AND

1:54:50I THINK THAT WHAT I HEAR FROM

1:54:52THE MANAGEMENT FOLKS IS THAT

1:54:53THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING TO

1:54:56MANAGE SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES

1:54:58AND THAT THEY'RE NOT SET UP TO

1:55:00BE SUCCESSFUL. AND SO I JUST, I

1:55:02JUST HOPE THAT YOU REALIZE HOW

1:55:04DEEP THIS COMMITMENT IS RIGHT

1:55:07NOW. YOU'RE ALL ENTERING AT A

1:55:10TIME WHERE STUFF THAT'S BEEN

1:55:13TALKED ABOUT FOR SIX YEARS IS

1:55:14FINALLY REALLY OUT IN THE OPEN.

1:55:17AND, AND YOU'RE THE BOARD AT

1:55:19THIS MOMENT THAT HAS TO GUIDE A

1:55:22CULTURE DIFFERENTLY THAN IT WAS

1:55:24GUIDED PRIOR TO THAT. BUT I

1:55:27THINK THE BLAMING ISN'T REALLY

1:55:29THE SOLUTION AS MUCH AS WHAT

1:55:31ARE THE STANDARDS, WHAT SEEMS

1:55:33LIKE WE'RE NOT PROVIDING ENOUGH

1:55:35SUPPORT. THE BIG WE GOVERNMENT

1:55:38INCLUDED ON HOW TO MANAGE THE

1:55:41PROJECTS ONCE THEY OPEN. AND

1:55:44I'VE GONE TO WAY TOO MANY

1:55:46RIBBON CUTTINGS. AND THEN

1:55:49WITHIN A YEAR LATER, I HEAR

1:55:51ABOUT VACANCY RATES THAT ARE

1:55:53UNCOMFORTABLE AND I HEAR ABOUT

1:55:55CONDITIONS THAT ARE REALLY,

1:55:57REALLY SAD. AND I THINK THAT

1:56:00THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE SOME

1:56:01HONEST DIALOG WITH ALL OF THESE

1:56:04GROUPS. IN YOUR TIME IN CENTRAL

1:56:08OREGON, CAN YOU THINK OF SOME

1:56:10INCIDENTS THAT CAME UP THAT

1:56:12ALLOWED YOU TO REALLY LOOK AT

1:56:13SOME BIG SYSTEMIC CHANGES THAT

1:56:16NEEDED TO TAKE PLACE? BECAUSE

1:56:18MAYBE WHAT WAS WORKING IN THE

1:56:19PAST, THE, THE STAFFING MODEL,

1:56:22WHAT KIND OF STAFF YOU NEED? I

1:56:24JUST KEPT HEARING LABOR FORCE

1:56:26CHALLENGES FROM THOSE WHO WERE

1:56:27DOING THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.

1:56:29ONE CHALLENGE TO KEEP THE

1:56:31EMPLOYEES AND TO NOT THINKING

1:56:32THEY HAD ENOUGH OF THEM. AND

1:56:34THEN THREE, NOT HAVING MAYBE

1:56:36THE SKILL SETS THAT WERE

1:56:38REQUIRED TO MEET THE NEEDS AND

1:56:40THE CHALLENGE OF THE RESIDENTS.

1:56:43>> PROPERTY MANAGEMENT IS A

1:56:45VERY DIFFICULT BUSINESS. YOU

1:56:47KNOW, I, I'VE BEEN, I'VE USED

1:56:50SO MANY PROPERTY, DIFFERENT,

1:56:51DIFFERENT PROPERTY MANAGERS

1:56:53OVER THE YEARS. IT'S VERY

1:56:56FRUSTRATING. IN CENTRAL OREGON,

1:56:58WE ACTUALLY GOT TO A PLACE

1:56:59WHERE WE ENDED UP FORMING OUR

1:57:01OWN PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

1:57:04WE HAD WE HAD DEVELOPED MORE

1:57:06THAN. WE HAD A PORTFOLIO OF

1:57:07LIKE 700 UNITS, WHICH, YOU KNOW,

1:57:10YOU COULD SCALE TO ACTUALLY

1:57:13CREATE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO,

1:57:17TO HAVE OUR OWN PROPERTY

1:57:18MANAGEMENT COMPANY. AND SO WE

1:57:19DID THAT.

1:57:21>> AND CONDITIONS IMPROVE.

1:57:22PARDON CONDITIONS IMPROVED.

1:57:24>> AFTER THAT.

1:57:25>> BUT SEE, IT, IT ALL BOILS

1:57:26DOWN TO PEOPLE AND MONEY REALLY.

1:57:28I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY WHAT

1:57:29YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE,

1:57:31YOU KNOW WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS

1:57:32THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFFING,

1:57:33IT'S A MONEY ISSUE. AND, AND

1:57:37IT'S HIRING THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

1:57:40AND SO. IT, IT, IT WORKED, IT

1:57:44DID IMPROVE. BUT, YOU KNOW,

1:57:48AFTER, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY,

1:57:49I RETIRED IN 2018 AND, AND

1:57:51AFTER PANDEMIC, THEIR

1:57:53MANAGEMENT MADE SOME BAD

1:57:55DECISIONS AND THEY ENDED UP

1:57:57REPLACING EPIC WITH ANOTHER

1:58:00THIRD PARTY PROPERTY MANAGEMENT

1:58:02COMPANY. BUT I THINK IT WAS, IT

1:58:04WAS A MANAGEMENT ISSUE. THEY

1:58:06HAD THE WRONG PEOPLE INVOLVED.

1:58:08AND SO I THINK IT REALLY DOES

1:58:10BOIL DOWN TO THE WHO AND

1:58:14FINANCIALLY, HOW YOU SUPPORT

1:58:16THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, BECAUSE IT

1:58:18IS IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT

1:58:21BUSINESS. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN

1:58:23I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, ON THE

1:58:25OWNERSHIP SIDE FOR A LONG, LONG

1:58:27TIME. AND I IT'S THAT'S THE

1:58:30HARDEST PART. IT'S THE PROPERTY

1:58:32MANAGEMENT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

1:58:34AND IT'S EVEN MORE DIFFICULT

1:58:36TODAY GIVEN ALL THE, THE

1:58:38IMPACTS IN THIS, YOU KNOW, THE

1:58:40ISSUES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT

1:58:41EARLIER, IT'S JUST HARD.

1:58:44>> YEAH, I THINK IT WAS AROUND

1:58:452022 WHERE I HAD THE

1:58:47RESPONSIBILITY AS HOUSING

1:58:47COMMISSIONER TO MAKE CALLS TO

1:58:49SAY YOU WERE AWARDED THIS, THIS

1:58:51NEW CONTRACT. AND I STARTED

1:58:53GETTING PUSHBACK, LIKE, ARE I

1:58:56DON'T KNOW IF I WANT IT. LIKE,

1:58:58YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS IS GETTING

1:58:59REALLY HARD. AND I DON'T KNOW

1:59:01IF, IF FOR THE CITY IS

1:59:03PROVIDING ENOUGH MONEY TO

1:59:04MANAGE THE PROPERTY IN THE WAY

1:59:06THAT WE NEED TO.

1:59:07>> SO I THINK I.

1:59:09>> POINTED OUT THE SERVICE SIDE

1:59:11IS SO CRITICAL. AND, YOU KNOW,

1:59:13AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A MONEY

1:59:15ISSUE. AND IT'S WELL, IT'S ALSO,

1:59:16YOU KNOW, HIRING THE RIGHT

1:59:18PEOPLE. BUT I IT AGAIN, I THINK

1:59:20IT BOILS DOWN TO, TO THE WHO

1:59:23AND, YOU KNOW, DO YOU SUPPORT

1:59:25IT EFFECTIVELY WITH ENOUGH

1:59:27MONEY?

1:59:27>> I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS. I

1:59:28THINK WHAT YOU'RE EXPERIENCING

1:59:30IS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR THE

1:59:31COUNCIL TO REALLY HAVE THIS

1:59:32TYPE OF AUTHENTIC DIALOG,

1:59:34CONSIDERING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN

1:59:36LISTENING TO FOR SOME TIME. AND

1:59:39SO I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT

1:59:40TRACK. WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP

1:59:44UNEARTHING ALL OF WHAT PEOPLE

1:59:45ARE SEEING OR HEARING ABOUT,

1:59:47AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A

1:59:48HANDLE ON IT.

1:59:49>> AND HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS.

1:59:52>> EXTREMELY. SO YEAH, YEAH,

1:59:54THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO TALK

1:59:55ABOUT. I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING

1:59:57A DIALOG WITH YOU AND THE BOARD

1:59:58IN THE FUTURE. AND THANK YOU

2:00:00AGAIN. I WILL BE SUPPORTING ALL

2:00:02THREE OF YOU FOR THIS

2:00:03APPOINTMENT. THANKS.

2:00:05>> THANKS. COUNCILOR RYAN,

2:00:06SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE,

2:00:07THIS IS A RESOLUTION. IT DOES

2:00:09NOT NEED A SEPARATE MOTION. SO

2:00:10THERE IS A I THINK WE HAVE A

2:00:14VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO REFER

2:00:16EACH OF THESE SEPARATELY ON. SO

2:00:17THE FIRST ONE IS OUR TWO

2:00:19PORTLAND APPOINTEES, AND THE

2:00:20SECOND ONE IS OUR GRESHAM

2:00:22APPOINTEE TO THE FULL COUNCIL.

2:00:24IS THAT CORRECT, DIEGO?

2:00:26>> I BELIEVE WE NEED A MOTION

2:00:28IN A SECOND.

2:00:29>> WE DO NEED A MOTION. OKAY.

2:00:30IS THERE A MOTION TO REFER ON

2:00:32THE PORTLAND APPOINTEES? LET'S

2:00:33START WITH THE FIRST ONE.

2:00:34>> SO MOVED.

2:00:35>> SECOND.

2:00:36>> MOVED BY COUNCILOR NOVAK,

2:00:37SECONDED BY RYAN. LET'S DO THIS

2:00:39ONE. AND THEN I'LL ASK FOR THE

2:00:41MOTION ON THE OTHER ONE. DIEGO,

2:00:42WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE?

2:00:46>> MOTION BY NOVICK. SECONDED

2:00:49BY RYAN CLARK. AYE, MORILLO

2:00:53GREEN. AYE, MORILLO AVALOS I.

2:00:59>> SMITH I.

2:01:01>> PIRTLE-GUINEY I.

2:01:04>> RYAN I. KOYAMA LANE I.

2:01:07>> MORILLO I.

2:01:10>> NOVICK I.

2:01:11>> KANAL I WITH TEN EYES AND

2:01:14TWO ABSENT. THE MOTION CARRIES.

2:01:16>> COUNCILOR ZIMMERMAN I.

2:01:18>> OH ONE MOMENT.

2:01:24>> I'LL JUST I JUST TO BE SURE

2:01:26THAT THAT WAS OKAY. IS THERE A

2:01:28UNANIMOUS CONSENT FOR ALLOWING

2:01:29THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IN THE

2:01:30PROCESS OF ANNOUNCING THE VOTE

2:01:32YOU WERE, BUT I'M NOT SEEING

2:01:33ANY OBJECTION TO COUNTING THAT

2:01:35VOTE ITEM. VOTE. OKAY. GO FOR

2:01:37IT, DIEGO.

2:01:41>> IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, I'LL

2:01:43RERUN THE VOTE. CLERK. AYE,

2:01:49MORILLO GREEN. ZIMMERMAN.

2:01:56>> AVALOS I SMITH.

2:01:59>> I PIRTLE-GUINEY. I RYAN. I

2:02:04KOYAMA LANE. I MORILLO. I

2:02:09NOVICK. I WITH 11 EYES AND ONE

2:02:11ABSENT. THE MOTION CARRIES AND

2:02:13THE RESOLUTION DOCUMENT NUMBER

2:02:172026-341 MOVES TO THE FULL

2:02:19COUNCIL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION

2:02:20TO BE ADOPTED.

2:02:22>> I WAS AN I TO FOR THE RECORD,

2:02:24BUT IT'S GOOD. IS THERE A

2:02:25MOTION FOR TO REFER THE OTHER

2:02:29RESOLUTION? THAT'S RESOLUTION

2:02:312026 342 FOR MR. EDMONDS TO THE

2:02:34COUNCIL WITH A DUE PASS

2:02:36RECOMMENDATION.

2:02:37>> SO MOVED.

2:02:38>> BY COUNCILOR RYAN. IS THERE

2:02:40A SECOND?

2:02:42>> SECOND.

2:02:43>> SECONDED BY COUNCILOR NOVICK.

2:02:44SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE.

2:02:45DIEGO, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE

2:02:47ROLL ON THIS ONE?

2:02:48>> CLARK. I GREEN. I ZIMMERMAN.

2:02:54I AVALOS. I SMITH. I

2:03:00PIRTLE-GUINEY. I RYAN. I KOYAMA

2:03:06LANE. I MORILLO. I NOVICK. I

2:03:12KANAL. I WITH 11 EYES AND ONE

2:03:16ABSENT. THE MOTION CARRIES AND

2:03:17THE RESOLUTION DOCUMENT NUMBER

2:03:212026-342 MOVES TO THE FULL

2:03:23COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION

2:03:24TO BE ADOPTED.

2:03:26>> THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THANK

2:03:27YOU FOR STEPPING UP. WE HAVE

2:03:28TWO ITEMS LEFT ON OUR AGENDA,

2:03:30BUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A SHORT

2:03:31BREAK. PLEASE BE BACK IN 11

2:03:33MINUTES AT 410. THANK YOU.

2:03:35WE'LL RECESS.

2:17:05>> WE ARE AT SIX.

2:17:06>> UNLESS SOMEBODY ONLINE CAN

2:17:07TURN ON THEIR CAMERA BEYOND THE

2:17:10TWO WHO ALREADY HAVE. THANK YOU

2:17:12TO YOU. OKAY, WE ARE BACK IN

2:17:15SESSION. IT MAY NOT LOOK LIKE

2:17:17WE HAVE QUORUM, BUT WE DO WITH

2:17:19THE FOLKS ONLINE. SO THANK YOU.

2:17:22DIEGO, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL ITEM

2:17:25SIX?

2:17:27>> ITEM SIX, DOCUMENT NUMBER

2:17:302026-375. APPOINT ALTERNATE

2:17:32MEMBERS TO THE COMMUNITY BOARD

2:17:33FOR POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY.

2:17:36>> GREAT. SENIOR KNOW CHIEF

2:17:39DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY HEIDI

2:17:41BROWN. PLEASE TAKE IT AWAY.

2:17:42>> THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON,

2:17:44CHAIR COUNCILORS. GOOD TO SEE

2:17:45YOU ALL THIS AFTERNOON. THIS

2:17:49RESOLUTION IS PART OF A

2:17:51NON-MONETARY SETTLEMENT

2:17:52AGREEMENT THAT RESOLVES A

2:17:54LAWSUIT BROUGHT BY MR.

2:17:55WEINSTEIN. THE SETTLEMENT

2:17:57AGREEMENT IS NOT BEFORE YOU.

2:18:01BECAUSE. BECAUSE IT'S

2:18:02NON-MONETARY. HOWEVER, THE

2:18:04REAPPOINTMENT OF MR. WEINSTEIN

2:18:06AS AN ALTERNATE TO THE

2:18:08COMMUNITY BOARD FOR POLICE

2:18:09ACCOUNTABILITY IS BEFORE YOU

2:18:11BECAUSE IT IS A CONDITION OF

2:18:12THE SETTLEMENT. THEREFORE, IF

2:18:14COUNCIL WERE TO DECIDE NOT TO

2:18:17REAPPOINT MR. WEINSTEIN AS AN

2:18:18ALTERNATE TO THE BOARD, THEN

2:18:20THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT TERMS

2:18:21WOULD NOT BE MET AND THE

2:18:23LAWSUIT WOULD CONTINUE. SO JUST

2:18:26BRIEFLY, MR. WEINSTEIN WAS

2:18:27REMOVED FROM SERVICE AS AN

2:18:28ALTERNATE ON THE COMMUNITY

2:18:30BOARD FOR POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY

2:18:32AFTER DECLINING TO SIGN A

2:18:35CONFIDENTIALITY AND

2:18:35NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT. WE

2:18:37WERE UNABLE TO RESOLVE THAT

2:18:38MATTER PRIOR TO HIS REMOVAL,

2:18:40BUT I'M VERY HAPPY TO SAY THAT

2:18:42SINCE THEN, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO

2:18:43WORK TOGETHER AND FIND SOME

2:18:45MIDDLE GROUND THAT WORKS, BOTH

2:18:46FOR THE CITY AND FOR MR.

2:18:48WEINSTEIN ON THE NONDISCLOSURE

2:18:50AGREEMENT, WHICH WE WILL HAVE

2:18:51ALL THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS

2:18:53SIGN AS WELL. AND SO BASICALLY,

2:18:57THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT

2:18:59REVISED THE NON-DISCLOSURE AND

2:19:01CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT. AS I

2:19:02STATED, WE WILL PUBLISH

2:19:04NON-PRIVILEGED COMMUNITY BOARD

2:19:06FOR POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY

2:19:07TRAININGS ON THE ON THEIR

2:19:10WEBSITE, AND THEN THE

2:19:12LITIGATION WILL BE DISMISSED.

2:19:13THAT IS DEPENDENT UPON IF MR.

2:19:16WEINSTEIN IS REAPPOINTED. SO AT

2:19:17THIS POINT, I AM RECOMMENDING

2:19:19TO YOU FOR THIS COUNCIL TO

2:19:22REAPPOINT MR. WEINSTEIN IN

2:19:24INTEREST OF THE SETTLEMENT AND

2:19:26FURTHER FURTHERANCE OF THAT

2:19:27MATTER. IF YOU HAVE ANY

2:19:28QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER

2:19:29THEM.

2:19:31>> THANK YOU. HEIDI, WE'RE

2:19:32GOING TO DO VERY BRIEF

2:19:34TECHNICAL QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE

2:19:34MAY HAVE TESTIMONY, AND THEN

2:19:36WE'LL GET INTO DELIBERATIONS.

2:19:37SO I SEE COUNSELOR SMITH IS IN

2:19:38THE QUEUE.

2:19:39>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO

2:19:41JUST SO THAT I HAVE THIS

2:19:44CORRECT, MR. WEINSTEIN WAS

2:19:46ASKED BY OUR OFFICE, BY THE

2:19:49CITY TO SIGN A CONFIDENTIALITY

2:19:53AGREEMENT, AND HE DECLINED. AND

2:19:57SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT NOW HE IS

2:19:59GOING TO SIGN ONE.

2:20:00>> YES. WE HAVE. MR. MR.

2:20:02WEINSTEIN WAS CONCERNED WITH

2:20:03SOME ASPECTS OF IT. WE HAVE

2:20:06CLARIFIED THE NON-DISCLOSURE

2:20:07AGREEMENT. SO IT'S IT'S SO THAT

2:20:10THERE'S IT'S IT'S CLEAR WHAT

2:20:13THEY ARE AGREEING TO KEEP

2:20:15CONFIDENTIAL FOR THE CITY.

2:20:16WE'RE CLEAR THAT CERTAIN THINGS

2:20:18WILL COME THROUGH OUR OFFICE TO

2:20:20GET ADVICE BY BOARD MEMBERS IF

2:20:22THEY NEED IT ON WHAT THEY CAN

2:20:24DISCLOSE. AND WITH THAT, WE

2:20:25FELT COMFORTABLE RESOLVING IT.

2:20:27>> AND SO THE THINGS THAT HE

2:20:29WANTED CLARIFIED OR NOT TO SIGN

2:20:31OFF ON WAS THESE WERE TRAINING

2:20:34MATERIALS THAT HE WANTED. AND,

2:20:36AND HE WAS BASICALLY TO SIGN AN

2:20:38NDA NOT TO, TO MAKE THOSE

2:20:39PUBLIC. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT

2:20:42IT WAS, BUT I'M TRYING TO GET

2:20:44THIS STRAIGHT. TECHNICALLY.

2:20:45>> YEAH. AT THAT TIME, THE

2:20:47NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT SAID

2:20:48ANY AND ALL CONFIDENTIAL

2:20:50INFORMATION AND IT WASN'T CLEAR

2:20:51ABOUT WHAT THAT COVERED. AND

2:20:54THEN WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT

2:20:55WHETHER SOMETHING WAS ATTORNEY

2:20:57CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND WHO WOULD

2:20:58MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT WHETHER

2:21:00TO RELEASE THAT. WHAT WE DID IS

2:21:01GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT

2:21:03THE NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT

2:21:04PROVIDES CLARITY ON WHAT BOARD

2:21:07MEMBERS HAVE TO KEEP

2:21:09CONFIDENTIAL, AND IT TIES IT

2:21:10REALLY TO THE PUBLIC RECORDS,

2:21:12LAWS, THINGS MATTERS THAT ARE

2:21:14EXEMPT FROM PUBLIC RECORDS.

2:21:16DISCLOSURE WILL ALSO BE

2:21:17CONSIDERED CONFIDENTIAL AND

2:21:19ALSO MAKES CLEAR WHICH WHICH

2:21:21INCLUDES ATTORNEY.

2:21:21>> SO THE TRAINING MATERIALS

2:21:22ARE NOT CONFIDENTIAL ANYMORE.

2:21:25>> MOST OF THEM ARE NOT. THERE

2:21:27IS ONE TRAINING THAT WAS

2:21:29PROVIDED BY ME, AND THAT WOULD

2:21:31CONTINUE TO BE ATTORNEY CLIENT

2:21:32PRIVILEGE. SO THAT WOULD NOT BE

2:21:34POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.

2:21:35>> OKAY. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO

2:21:37KEEP CLEAR BECAUSE THIS WAS A

2:21:38LONG TIME AGO THAT THIS

2:21:39HAPPENED, AND I WANTED TO MAKE

2:21:41SURE THAT I HAD IT TECHNICALLY

2:21:42CORRECT, BUT HE IS STILL GOING

2:21:44TO SIGN SOME SORT OF A NDA.

2:21:46>> YES, YES, WE REVISED IT AND

2:21:48IT'LL THE REVISED NDA WILL

2:21:49APPLY TO ALL BOARD MEMBERS, AND

2:21:51MR. WEINSTEIN IS WILLING TO

2:21:52SIGN IT WITH THE REVISIONS

2:21:54WE'VE MADE.

2:21:54>> SO DIDN'T ALL THE OTHER

2:21:57MEMBERS SIGN AN NDA AND HE

2:21:59REFUSED TO.

2:21:59>> THAT THAT IS CORRECT.

2:22:02COUNCILOR.

2:22:02>> AND SO THAT. CORRECT. SO IN

2:22:04HIS REFUSAL, THAT'S WHAT GOT

2:22:06HIM REMOVED FROM. THE ALTERNATE

2:22:12SPOT.

2:22:12>> THAT'S RIGHT. AND I THINK HE

2:22:14AND I HAD TRIED TO WORK THROUGH

2:22:15THE CONCERNS HE HAD, AND WE

2:22:17JUST UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T HAVE

2:22:18ENOUGH TIME TO BE ABLE TO

2:22:19ACHIEVE THAT BEFORE THIS MATTER

2:22:21WAS BEFORE COUNSEL AND HIS

2:22:23REMOVAL OCCURRED. AND THEN

2:22:25THEREAFTER HE FILED A LAWSUIT

2:22:26AND WE WORKED WITH HIS ATTORNEY

2:22:28AND HIM AND, AND MY OFFICE TO

2:22:30COME UP WITH MAKE THOSE

2:22:32REVISIONS SO THAT WE ALL FELT

2:22:33COMFORTABLE.

2:22:33>> WITH IT. AND SO NOW WE CAN

2:22:35NO LONGER REMOVE PEOPLE FROM

2:22:40THE THOSE POSITIONS FOR NOT

2:22:42SIGNING THE NDAS.

2:22:45>> WELL, THEY THEY'LL HAVE TO

2:22:47SIGN THE REVISED.

2:22:49>> REVISED.

2:22:49>> YES. AND THEN ANY NEW BOARD

2:22:51MEMBERS WHO GET APPOINTED,

2:22:53EITHER AS AN ALTERNATE OR AS A

2:22:55BOARD MEMBER WOULD NEED TO SIGN

2:22:57THIS SAME NON-DISCLOSURE.

2:22:58>> THIS NEW ONE. OKAY, SO I GOT

2:23:00IT. THANK YOU FOR WALKING ME

2:23:02THROUGH THAT.

2:23:02>> HAPPY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

2:23:04>> THANKS. AND JUST TO CLARIFY,

2:23:05THERE THERE IS NO TESTIMONY. I

2:23:07JUST GOT THE UPDATE. SO WE'RE

2:23:08JUST GOING TO DO EVERYTHING

2:23:10TOGETHER. FEEL FREE TO GET BACK

2:23:12IN THE QUEUE AS NEEDED.

2:23:13COUNCILOR GREEN, FOLLOWED BY

2:23:14AVALOS.

2:23:16>> THANK YOU, CHAIR KANAL JUST

2:23:18I THINK FIRST OF ALL, I THINK

2:23:19IT'S PRONOUNCED WEINSTEIN. IS

2:23:22THAT NOT. YEAH, I'VE GOT THE

2:23:24POSITIVE. YEAH. JUST LIKE TO

2:23:26JUST LIKE TO TO DO THAT. THANK

2:23:28YOU. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH

2:23:30MR. WEINSTEIN ON THE CAMPAIGN

2:23:32TRAIL, SO I GOT TO HEAR HIM

2:23:33PRONOUNCE HIS NAME A LOT IN

2:23:352024. I APPRECIATE THE WORK

2:23:37THAT HAS HAPPENED TO GET TO A

2:23:39RESOLUTION HERE. I UNDERSTAND

2:23:40THAT IT'S A NON-MONETARY

2:23:42SETTLEMENT WHICH IS IN THE BEST

2:23:44INTEREST OF THE CITY. MY

2:23:46OBJECTION TO HAVING MR.

2:23:49WEINSTEIN ON IT ORIGINALLY WAS

2:23:50BECAUSE WHAT FELT LIKE A

2:23:52REFUSAL TO WORK WITH, OR TO

2:23:54SORT OF LAND THAT PLANE WITH

2:23:55THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE,

2:23:56THAT HAS HAPPENED. SO NOW I NO

2:23:58LONGER HAVE A REASON TO OBJECT,

2:24:00MR. WEINSTEIN. SO I'M GOING TO

2:24:02SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION

2:24:04APPOINTING HIM TODAY. THANKS.

2:24:07>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GREEN.

2:24:08COUNCILOR AVALOS, FOLLOWED BY

2:24:09MYSELF.

2:24:10>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, HEIDI,

2:24:12FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK TO GET TO

2:24:14SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION.

2:24:17UNFORTUNATELY, THE VERY SERIOUS

2:24:19CONCERNS THAT I HAD RAISED THE

2:24:20LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT MR.

2:24:22WEINSTEIN'S APPOINTMENT REMAIN.

2:24:24AND SO TO KEEP IT SHORT, I DO

2:24:26NOT PLAN ON SUPPORTING THIS.

2:24:27THANKS.

2:24:30>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR AVALOS.

2:24:31NEXT IN THE QUEUE, COLLEAGUES,

2:24:32I ADDED MYSELF AS A CO-SPONSOR

2:24:34TO THIS ONE AS WELL. I FELT

2:24:36THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE AT THE

2:24:38TIME THAT THIS CONVERSATION WAS

2:24:40COMING UP. EXACTLY WHAT YOU

2:24:41SAID, HEIDI, THAT THAT A LITTLE

2:24:43MORE TIME TO FIGURE OUT THE

2:24:45QUESTION. I THINK THAT THERE

2:24:46WERE SOME WHENEVER YOU'RE

2:24:48STANDING UP A NEW SYSTEM AND

2:24:51LOOKING AT THE CHANGES IN WHAT

2:24:52IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED OR NOT,

2:24:54THERE'S LIKELY TO BE SOME

2:24:55QUESTIONS OVER THE LEVEL OF

2:24:56DISCLOSURE THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

2:24:57I THINK THAT'S BEEN SEEN

2:25:00THROUGHOUT THE VARIOUS STEPS OF

2:25:01THIS PROCESS OF MIGRATING FROM

2:25:03THE OLD SYSTEM TO THE NEW. AND

2:25:06SO THAT'S WHY I VOTED NO ON THE

2:25:08REMOVAL IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND

2:25:10THAT'S WHY I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT

2:25:11THAT THIS HAS BEEN RESOLVED TO,

2:25:13TO BOTH TO ASSUMING THIS PASSES

2:25:15TO MUTUAL SATISFACTION. SO

2:25:17THAT'S WHY I WILL BE SUPPORTIVE

2:25:19OF THIS. YEAH. I'M JUST GOING

2:25:24TO PAUSE. AND THERE'S NO ONE

2:25:25ELSE IN THE QUEUE. JUST GIVE

2:25:26EVERYONE A MOMENT. OKAY,

2:25:29>> COLLEAGUES, WE WOULD NEED A

2:25:30MOTION TO REFER THIS RESOLUTION

2:25:32ON TO THE FULL COUNCIL WITH A

2:25:33DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION IN

2:25:34ORDER TO PROCEED.

2:25:36>> SECOND.

2:25:36>> MOVED BY COUNCILOR SMITH,

2:25:37SECONDED BY COUNCILOR RYAN. IS

2:25:39THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON

2:25:40THIS ITEM? COUNCILOR SMITH?

2:25:43>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY

2:25:44THAT I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS

2:25:47MOTION, AND I'M GLAD WE GOT IT

2:25:49STRAIGHTENED OUT. AND I DO

2:25:50AGREE THAT WHEN YOU'RE STARTING

2:25:52SOMETHING NEW, YOU REALLY NEED

2:25:53TO WORK THROUGH THE KINKS. AND

2:25:54I'M GLAD THAT BOB WEINSTEIN OR

2:25:59STEIN, I'M SORRY YOU HAVE TO

2:26:02EXCUSE MY MICHIGAN. VERNACULAR,

2:26:07BUT. BOB IS VERY THOROUGH AND

2:26:14HE IS SMART AND HE IS A PUBLIC

2:26:17SERVANT. AND THE IDEA THAT

2:26:20SOMEONE WITH HIS BACKGROUND AND

2:26:21TRACK RECORD, THAT WE DON'T USE

2:26:24HIS INFORMATION, THAT HE'S

2:26:27WILLING TO GIVE IN HIS

2:26:29RETIREMENT, I THINK WOULD HAVE

2:26:30BEEN A SHAME. AND SO I AM HAPPY

2:26:34TO SAY THAT I WILL BE FULL

2:26:36THROATEDLY SUPPORTING HIM IN

2:26:39HIS EFFORT TO TO SERVE. SO

2:26:42THANK YOU SO MUCH, BOB.

2:26:46>> THANK YOU COLLEAGUES. SEEING

2:26:47NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. DIEGO,

2:26:49WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?

2:26:52>> CLERK I.

2:26:54>> GREEN I.

2:26:56>> ZIMMERMAN I.

2:26:59>> AVALOS.

2:26:59>> NO. SMITH.

2:27:02>> SMITH. I PIRTLE-GUINEY. I.

2:27:07RYAN.

2:27:08>> I.

2:27:10>> KOYAMA LANE.

2:27:11>> I.

2:27:12>> MORILLO.

2:27:14>> NO. NOVICK I.

2:27:19>> NO. I WITH. OH, SORRY. ONE

2:27:24SECOND. WITH NINE EYES, TWO

2:27:29NAYS AND ONE ABSENT. THE MOTION

2:27:31CARRIES AND THE RESOLUTION

2:27:33DOCUMENT NUMBER 2026-375 MOVES

2:27:36TO THE FULL COUNCIL WITH A

2:27:38RECOMMENDATION TO BE ADOPTED.

2:27:41>> THANK YOU HEIDI. THANK YOU,

2:27:42MR. WEINSTEIN AS WELL.

2:27:45COLLEAGUES, WE HAVE ONE ITEM.

2:27:46WELL, DIEGO, WILL YOU PLEASE

2:27:48READ ITEM SIX?

2:27:51>> I BELIEVE WE'RE ON ITEM

2:27:52SEVEN. IS THAT RIGHT?

2:27:53>> YEAH. YOU'RE RIGHT. ITEM

2:27:54SEVEN.

2:27:55>> ITEM SEVEN. DOCUMENT NUMBER

2:27:592026-378. COUNCIL LEADERSHIP

2:28:00ELECTION PROCESS.

2:28:03>> THANK YOU COLLEAGUES. THIS

2:28:04IS A THE LAST ITEM ON OUR

2:28:06AGENDA TODAY. IT IS A REPORT

2:28:08BACK FROM A WORK GROUP. THIS IS

2:28:10A PRESENTATION ITEM. THERE IS

2:28:11NO LEGISLATION THAT IS BEING

2:28:12PROPOSED RIGHT NOW. COLLEAGUES

2:28:14ONLINE THE ATTACHMENT IS UP ON

2:28:16THE ITEM FOR THIS. THIS IS A

2:28:19WORK GROUP THAT WAS ESTABLISHED

2:28:20A FEW MONTHS AGO TO LOOK AT THE

2:28:22COUNCIL LEADERSHIP ELECTION

2:28:24PROCESS. THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S

2:28:26CONVERSATION IS TO REPORT BACK

2:28:27ON WHAT THE WORK GROUP

2:28:28IDENTIFIED AND FOUND, NOT TO

2:28:32NECESSARILY EXPRESS ANY SORT OF

2:28:35OPINIONS OF THE WORK GROUP

2:28:36ITSELF, BUT TO START A

2:28:38CONVERSATION THAT MAY

2:28:39EVENTUALLY LEAD TO CHANGES TO

2:28:40OUR PROCESSES. THE WORK GROUP

2:28:44ON THE COUNCIL LEADERSHIP

2:28:45ELECTION PROCESS WAS COUNCILORS

2:28:46AVALOS, DUNPHY, MYSELF,

2:28:49PIRTLE-GUINEY AND SMITH. WE DID

2:28:51CONSULT THE THREE. FOUR OF US

2:28:53MET THREE TIMES AND TALKED

2:28:54ABOUT THIS, AND THE IDEA WAS TO

2:28:56CAPTURE EVERYTHING THAT HAD

2:28:57BEEN SUGGESTED AS WAYS TO TO

2:29:02UPDATE THE COUNCIL ELECTION

2:29:04PROCESS IN A WAY THAT WOULD

2:29:06HELP AVOID SOME OF THE PROBLEMS

2:29:07THAT WE'VE SEEN. IF YOU LOOK AT

2:29:09PAGE TWO OF THE DOCUMENT,

2:29:10YOU'LL SEE WHAT THOSE PROBLEMS

2:29:12WERE THAT WERE IDENTIFIED. AND

2:29:14I'M GOING TO PULL UP A SLIDE

2:29:16REAL QUICK. I JUST FORGOT THAT

2:29:17I HAD THOSE. AND COUNCILOR

2:29:22AVALOS IS THAT A LEGACY HAND OR

2:29:23DID YOU WANT TO JUMP IN FOR ME?

2:29:25OKAY. OKAY, COOL. JUST MAKING

2:29:32SURE THAT I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN

2:29:33HERE. OKAY, SO THIS IS A VERY,

2:29:40VERY BRIEF SLIDE DECK HERE.

2:29:42LITTLE DISCLAIMER, WHICH YOU'RE

2:29:43GOING TO SEE ON THERE TOO,

2:29:44WHICH IS SEE IF THERE'S A

2:29:47POSSIBILITY TO CHANGE A 3.02

2:29:48AROUND THE COUNCIL LEADERSHIP

2:29:50ELECTION. ABSENT ANY CHANGES,

2:29:51WE CONTINUE AS IS WITH THE

2:29:53ELECTION ON WEDNESDAY, JANUARY

2:29:556TH, 2027. THE GOAL OF THE

2:29:57REPORT WAS TO DESCRIBE EACH

2:29:59OPTION AND THE RELEVANT

2:30:00VARIABLES AS NEUTRAL AS

2:30:01POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE THE

2:30:02POSITIVES AS A SUPPORTER OF THE

2:30:04OPTION MIGHT AND TO PROVIDE THE

2:30:05NEGATIVES AS A CRITIC OF THE

2:30:07OPTION MIGHT WITHOUT REGARD TO

2:30:08OUR OWN OPINIONS. THE WORK

2:30:09GROUP ITSELF IS NOT MAKING

2:30:11RECOMMENDATIONS, THOUGH

2:30:11CERTAINLY THE FOUR OF US ALL

2:30:12HAVE THOUGHTS AND WE ARE NOT.

2:30:15WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH A WHOLE

2:30:16LEGAL ANALYSIS PROCESS THAT

2:30:17WILL HAPPEN IF AND WHEN THERE'S

2:30:19AN ORDINANCE. WE BASICALLY

2:30:21SPLIT THE OPTIONS INTO TWO

2:30:23CATEGORIES, THE FIRST BEING THE

2:30:24OPTIONS THAT ARE GENERALLY

2:30:25MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, THE PICK

2:30:27ONE OPTIONS, SIX OF THOSE WERE

2:30:29IN THERE AND THEN A BUNCH OF

2:30:31OTHERS. I THINK THERE'S 1110

2:30:33THAT CAN BE LAYERED ON TOP OF

2:30:35IT. YOU CAN PICK ANY, PICK ALL

2:30:37OR PICK NONE. THE PICK ONE

2:30:40OPTIONS ARE LISTED HERE. STATUS

2:30:42QUO, NO CHANGES TO THE PROCESS.

2:30:44AND BY THE WAY, ONE OF THE THIS

2:30:46IS IN THE EVENT OF A DEADLOCK

2:30:47WHERE NO CANDIDATE RECEIVES

2:30:48SEVEN VOTES. THAT'S THE. THE.

2:30:50THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT WOULD

2:30:52BE TAKEN IN THAT SCENARIO.

2:30:54OPTION TWO MAYOR BREAKS THE TIE.

2:30:55OPTION THREE INCUMBENT REMAINS

2:30:57IN FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. OPTION

2:30:59FOUR AND THEN THE ELECTION

2:31:00CONTINUES. OPTION FOR THE

2:31:02INCUMBENT MUST ABSTAIN. OPTION

2:31:04FIVE USING RANDOM CHANCE,

2:31:05INCLUDING FLIPPING THE PORTLAND

2:31:06PENNY. ALTHOUGH I'LL NOTE THAT

2:31:08COUNCILOR NOVICK ALSO SAID ROCK,

2:31:09PAPER SCISSORS WAS AN OPTION

2:31:11HERE, AND COUNCILOR OPTION SIX

2:31:13IS AUTOMATIC VICE PRESIDENTIAL

2:31:16SUCCESSION. AND THEN THERE ARE

2:31:17TEN OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE

2:31:18FLOATED THAT COULD BE ADDED TO

2:31:21THIS, OR IN ANY COMBINATION

2:31:23THEREOF, AND YOU CAN SEE THEM

2:31:24ON THE SCREEN THERE ALSO IN THE

2:31:26REPORT. I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW

2:31:28IT HERE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO

2:31:29THROUGH THEM ALL. YEAH, THAT IS

2:31:31THE WHOLE PRESENTATION. THERE'S

2:31:32NOT A LOT HERE. BUT I DID WANT

2:31:36TO BRIEFLY ALLOW EACH OF THE

2:31:37OTHER PEOPLE ON THE WORKGROUP

2:31:38TO ADD ANYTHING THAT THEY

2:31:40WANTED TO, TO SORT OF EXPLAIN

2:31:43OUR WORK, AND THEN JUST OPEN IT

2:31:45UP AND LET FOLKS REACT.

2:31:46COLLEAGUES, AS YOU ARE DOING IT,

2:31:48INCLUDING COUNCILOR AVALOS,

2:31:49PIRTLE-GUINEY, AND DUNPHY,

2:31:50PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GIVE YOUR

2:31:51OWN OPINIONS AND JUST AS YOU DO

2:31:53SO, IF YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE,

2:31:56I'LL GO TO COUNCILOR AVALOS AND

2:31:57SHE'S ALREADY IN THE QUEUE.

2:31:59THANKS.

2:31:59>> YEAH. THANK YOU. I PUT

2:32:01MYSELF IN THE QUEUE TO GIVE

2:32:02SOME OPENING REMARKS, AND I'LL

2:32:04GET BACK IN TO JOIN THE

2:32:05DISCUSSION ONCE COLLEAGUES HAVE

2:32:06WEIGHED IN. THANK YOU TO MY

2:32:08COLLEAGUES WHO PARTICIPATED IN

2:32:09THIS WORK GROUP. I REALLY

2:32:10APPRECIATED THE OPPORTUNITY TO

2:32:12HAVE A THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATION

2:32:13ABOUT WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED

2:32:14OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS AND

2:32:16WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO

2:32:17DIFFERENTLY. I THINK ONE OF THE

2:32:20MAIN AND MOST IMPORTANT THINGS

2:32:21THAT WE IDENTIFIED IS THAT

2:32:22WE'RE NOT JUST DEALING WITH A

2:32:24VOTING PROBLEM. WE'RE DEALING

2:32:25WITH A GOVERNANCE AND COUNCIL

2:32:26CULTURE PROBLEM. WE'VE HAD TWO

2:32:29CONSECUTIVE YEARS OF LENGTHY

2:32:30LEADERSHIP ELECTIONS, AND I

2:32:31UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO CREATE

2:32:33A MECHANISM THAT GETS US TO A

2:32:35DECISION MORE QUICKLY. BUT I

2:32:37ALSO THINK WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL

2:32:38NOT TO CONFUSE EFFICIENCY WITH

2:32:41EFFECTIVENESS. A FASTER

2:32:42ELECTION DOESN'T NECESSARILY

2:32:43MEAN A BETTER ELECTION, AND A

2:32:45MECHANISM THAT PRODUCES A

2:32:46WINNER DOESN'T NECESSARILY

2:32:47PRODUCE CONSENSUS OR EFFECTIVE

2:32:50LEADERSHIP. SO FOR ME, THERE

2:32:51ARE A FEW PRINCIPLES THAT

2:32:53MATTER. FIRST, I BELIEVE THAT

2:32:54THE DECISION ABOUT WHO LEADS

2:32:56THIS LEGISLATIVE BODY SHOULD

2:32:58REMAIN WITH THE LEGISLATIVE

2:32:59BODY. I THINK THAT'S AN

2:33:00IMPORTANT PART OF MAINTAINING

2:33:01THE INDEPENDENCE OF COUNCIL.

2:33:03SECOND, I BELIEVE THE PROCESS

2:33:04SHOULD BE PUBLIC AND

2:33:06TRANSPARENT. PORTLANDERS

2:33:07DESERVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE

2:33:08SELECTING OUR LEADERSHIP AND

2:33:10WHAT THOSE DECISIONS MEAN FOR

2:33:11HOW THEIR GOVERNMENT OPERATES.

2:33:13AND THIRD, I THINK WE NEED TO

2:33:14SPEND SOME MORE TIME DISCUSSING

2:33:15WHAT WE WANT FROM OUR

2:33:16LEADERSHIP BEFORE WE START

2:33:18DISCUSSING WHO WE WANT IN THOSE

2:33:19POSITIONS. THE COUNCIL

2:33:21PRESIDENT HAS SIGNIFICANT

2:33:23RESPONSIBILITIES, AND THOSE

2:33:24RESPONSIBILITIES AFFECT ALL 12

2:33:25OF US. OUR OUR COMMITTEES AND

2:33:28ULTIMATELY THE COMMUNITIES THAT

2:33:29WE REPRESENT. AND SO I'M GLAD

2:33:30THAT THIS REPORT PRESENTS A

2:33:33RANGE OF OPTIONS WITHOUT

2:33:35PRESCRIBING A SINGLE SOLUTION.

2:33:37AND MY HOPE IS THAT DURING THIS

2:33:39CONVERSATION, WE CAN NOT JUST

2:33:40TALK ABOUT IMPROVING THE

2:33:42MECHANICS OF OUR ELECTIONS, BUT

2:33:43DISCUSS HOW WE STRENGTHEN HOW

2:33:45WE GOVERN TOGETHER. THANK YOU.

2:33:48>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR AVALOS.

2:33:50I'LL GO TO PIRTLE-GUINEY THEN.

2:33:52>> SMITH.

2:33:54>> PIRTLE-GUINEY AFTERNOON.

2:33:56>> THANK YOU, CHAIR AND

2:33:57COLLEAGUES. I DON'T HAVE

2:33:59ANYTHING FORMAL PREPARED, BUT I

2:34:01JUST WANT TO NOTE A FEW THINGS

2:34:03BEFORE WE MOVE INTO DISCUSSION.

2:34:04THE FIRST IS I THINK IT'S

2:34:05REALLY IMPORTANT AS YOU VIEW

2:34:08THIS DOCUMENT, TO KNOW THAT, AS

2:34:11COUNCILOR KANAL STATED, THESE

2:34:12AREN'T THE OPINIONS OF THE

2:34:13FOLKS WHO ARE ON THE GROUP.

2:34:15THEY ARE OUR ATTEMPT TO CAPTURE

2:34:17IN GOOD FAITH WHAT EVERYONE

2:34:18AROUND THIS BODY HAS BROUGHT UP.

2:34:21AND WE BRING THIS TO YOU, NOT

2:34:23WITH WITH OUR SIGN OFF ON ALL

2:34:25OF THESE OPTIONS. IN FACT,

2:34:27THERE ARE MANY THINGS WE'RE

2:34:28PUTTING FORWARD THAT I DON'T

2:34:29THINK WOULD BE BEST FOR OUR

2:34:30BODY. BUT I DO THINK THAT

2:34:32THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO DISCUSS

2:34:33BECAUSE I DON'T WANT US TO HAVE

2:34:35THESE POSSIBILITIES HANGING

2:34:37OVER US AS WE MOVE INTO THE

2:34:38NEXT COUNCIL ELECTION. I WANT

2:34:40US TO HAVE DISCUSSED THEM AND A

2:34:42MAJORITY OF THIS BODY TO HAVE

2:34:44RULED ON WHAT THE BEST PROCESS

2:34:46IS FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. I

2:34:48ALSO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO

2:34:51NOTE THAT THIS BODY HAS NOT

2:34:54SETTLED ON HOW MUCH POWER WE

2:34:55THINK THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT

2:34:56SHOULD HAVE, AND MANY OF THE

2:35:00ASSUMPTIONS THAT GO INTO WHAT

2:35:03PEOPLE THINK THE BEST PATH

2:35:04FORWARD IS HAVE A LOT TO DO

2:35:06WITH WHAT THE ROLE OF THE

2:35:08COUNCIL PRESIDENT IS AS WELL.

2:35:09AND SO I SUSPECT THAT THAT MAY

2:35:12PEPPER ITSELF INTO OUR

2:35:14CONVERSATIONS. AND I THINK

2:35:15THAT'S A GOOD THING. THE THIRD

2:35:16THING THAT I'D LIKE TO NOTE

2:35:18BEFORE WE MOVE INTO DISCUSSION

2:35:20IS THAT WE ARE VIEWING THIS, I

2:35:25THINK, REFLEXIVELY, THROUGH THE

2:35:28LENS OF WHAT HAS ALREADY

2:35:29HAPPENED. AND I WOULD CAUTION

2:35:31US FROM DOING THAT. WE HAVE HAD

2:35:33TWO ROUNDS OF COUNCIL PRESIDENT

2:35:35ELECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN

2:35:37DIVIDED IN A SIX SIX SPLIT, BUT

2:35:39THAT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE THE CASE

2:35:40FOR THIS BODY. WE MAY HAVE A

2:35:42YEAR WHERE THERE ARE THREE

2:35:44PEOPLE RUNNING IN. THIS BODY IS

2:35:45DIVIDED FIVE AND THREE. AND NOW

2:35:49I HAVE TO DO MATH ON THE SPOT

2:35:51FOR. AND NONE OF THOSE GET TO A

2:35:54MAJORITY. BUT THE SOLUTIONS FOR

2:35:58THAT MAY LOOK DIFFERENT FROM

2:36:00WHAT WOULD WORK TO HELP US

2:36:01SOLVE A SIX SIX DIVIDE. SO I

2:36:04HOPE THAT AS WE MOVE THROUGH

2:36:06THESE, WE ARE THINKING ABOUT

2:36:07NOT JUST HOW THEY MIGHT HELP OR

2:36:11OR HARM IN A COUNCIL THAT IS

2:36:13DIVIDED SIX SIX IN A

2:36:14PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, BUT HOW

2:36:16THEY WOULD AFFECT OUR ABILITY

2:36:18TO MOVE FORWARD IN ELECTING

2:36:20COUNCIL LEADERSHIP IN ANY

2:36:22NUMBER OF SITUATIONS, BECAUSE I

2:36:24DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT

2:36:25OURSELVES TO ASSUMING THAT THE

2:36:28THE CURRENT OR THE LAST TWO

2:36:32YEARS OF OF EXPERIENCE ARE WHAT

2:36:35THIS BODY WILL ALWAYS

2:36:37EXPERIENCE. I'M LOOKING FORWARD

2:36:39TO HEARING THE DISCUSSION, AND

2:36:40I'LL JUMP IN WITH SOME OF MY

2:36:42THOUGHTS ON WHAT OUR PRIORITIES

2:36:43SHOULD BE AFTER I HEAR FROM

2:36:45SOME OF OUR COLLEAGUES. THANK

2:36:46YOU, CHAIR.

2:36:46>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR

2:36:47PIRTLE-GUINEY COUNCILOR SMITH.

2:36:50>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I

2:36:51APPRECIATE EVERYBODY PUTTING IN

2:36:53A LOT OF WORK. AND, YOU KNOW,

2:36:56SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS

2:36:57WERE VERY BRUTAL. OVER THE LAST

2:36:59TWO YEARS. I NOMINATED

2:37:01COUNCILOR PIRTLE-GUINEY BECAUSE

2:37:03I THOUGHT SHE DID A GOOD JOB

2:37:04WITH WHAT SHE WAS WORKING WITH,

2:37:06AND I APPRECIATE THE LEADERSHIP

2:37:08OF OUR NEW COUNCIL PRESIDENT,

2:37:10AND HE'S DONE A GOOD JOB AS

2:37:12WELL. BUT I, I AM GOING TO GO

2:37:15BACK TO WHAT I ALWAYS SAY,

2:37:17BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS VERY CLEAR

2:37:19WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE A

2:37:22PROCESS THAT'S ALREADY CREATED

2:37:23FOR US. AND I WILL WAIT BECAUSE

2:37:27I DO NOT LIKE SUING MYSELF, BUT

2:37:30I'VE BEEN GIVEN PERMISSION BY

2:37:31THE LEGAL COUNSEL TO FILE AND

2:37:35USE OUR OUR DOLLARS TO FILE FOR

2:37:38DECLARATORY JUDGMENT. THE

2:37:42CHARTER IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE

2:37:45MAYOR BREAKS ALL TIES, AND

2:37:46WE'RE GOING. WE'RE PUTTING SO

2:37:48MUCH ENERGY BEHIND, NOT TRYING

2:37:50TO FOLLOW THE CHARTER ABOUT

2:37:52THIS PARTICULAR THING, BUT

2:37:53WE'RE SO EXACT WHEN WE HAVE TO

2:37:56FOLLOW THE CHARTER ON OTHER

2:37:58ISSUES THAT WE LIKE AND WANT,

2:38:00AND WE'LL USE THE CHARTER AS

2:38:02THE HOLY GRAIL TO SAY, WE HAVE

2:38:05TO DO THIS. IT'S IN THE CHARTER,

2:38:06BUT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. AND

2:38:08WE EVEN CREATED A CODE TO

2:38:11SUPERSEDE CHARTER. AND I ASKED

2:38:14ROBERT TAYLOR, DOES CODE

2:38:17SUPERSEDE THE CHARTER? AND HE

2:38:18SAID, NO. AND FOLKS AROUND THE

2:38:20TABLE THAT I REALLY RESPECT IN

2:38:22THE IN THE IN THE PERSON THAT I

2:38:24NOMINATED FOR, FOR, FOR

2:38:26PRESIDENT, SHE IS THE ONE WHO

2:38:27LED THAT EFFORT TO DO THIS. AND

2:38:30I DISAGREE WITH HER, EVEN

2:38:32THOUGH I STILL WANTED HER TO BE

2:38:34PRESIDENT. I DISAGREE WITH HER

2:38:36AND I STILL DISAGREE WITH HER.

2:38:38AND I DISAGREE WITH THE REST OF

2:38:39THE COMMITTEE THAT WE NEED TO

2:38:43FIGURE OUT DEFINITIVELY, NOT BY

2:38:47CODE, NOT BY ALL THESE MEETINGS

2:38:49ABOUT SOMETHING. WE ALREADY

2:38:51HAVE THIS SETTLED. WE HAVE

2:38:52PEOPLE HERE WHO WAS THE CHAIR

2:38:54OF THIS OF THE CHARTER

2:38:55COMMITTEE, AND THEY KNOW WHAT

2:38:57IT WAS. AND SO FOR ME, UNTIL WE

2:38:59GET A DECLARATORY JUDGMENT.

2:39:01COUNCILOR PIRTLE-GUINEY I, I AM

2:39:06STILL IN THE SAME CORNER THAT I

2:39:10WAS BEFORE, AND I DON'T CARE

2:39:11WHAT DOCUMENT YOU CREATE. I

2:39:15BELIEVE WE ARE NOT FOLLOWING

2:39:16THE CHARTER WILLINGLY. WE ARE

2:39:18IN A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS. AND

2:39:21UNTIL WE GET SOMETHING THAT

2:39:23SAYS THIS IS WHAT IT IS AND

2:39:25THAT THE MAYOR BREAKS ALL TIES,

2:39:27AMENDMENTS AND EVERYTHING, I

2:39:30DON'T WANT ANY MORE PARTS OF IT,

2:39:33I REALLY DON'T. SO BUT I DO

2:39:35APPRECIATE YOUR WORK BECAUSE

2:39:35YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A WORK

2:39:37AROUND WHEN WE REALLY NEED TO

2:39:38DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SETTLE

2:39:41THIS.

2:39:43>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SMITH,

2:39:45COUNCILOR GREEN, FOLLOWED BY

2:39:46COUNCILOR RYAN.

2:39:50>> YEAH, I'M JUST SOME OPENING

2:39:52REMARKS BEFORE WE KIND OF GET

2:39:53INTO THE SPECIFICITY OF THESE

2:39:56PROPOSALS. I JUST WANT TO SAY

2:39:57THAT IT'S A PRETTY HIGH

2:39:59PRIORITY OF MINE TO ADOPT SOME

2:40:01KIND OF RULE BEFORE THE END OF

2:40:03THE YEAR AND BEFORE WE GET INTO

2:40:07JANUARY, WHOEVER, WHOEVER'S

2:40:09WHOEVER'S IN THESE SEATS IN

2:40:11JANUARY. SO THAT WAY WE HAVE

2:40:12SOME CERTAINTY ON HOW WE WILL

2:40:14APPROACH RESOLUTION OF THIS

2:40:16QUESTION. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF

2:40:20DISCOURSE AROUND SORT OF LIKE

2:40:24COUNCIL NOT BEING ABLE TO

2:40:26RESOLVE QUESTIONS BEFORE

2:40:27COUNCIL, FOCUSING ON SIX, SIX

2:40:31SPLITS. A LOT OF THAT REPORTING

2:40:34HAS, FRANKLY, NOT ENGAGED WITH

2:40:35THE DATA, WHICH SAYS 96% OF THE

2:40:37VOTES BEFORE THIS BODY ARE

2:40:39RESOLVED. IT'S BUT IT'S THE

2:40:42COUNCIL PRESIDENT ELECTION, AND

2:40:43IT'S THE AMENDMENTS IN THE

2:40:45BUDGET PROCESS WHERE WE WHERE

2:40:46YOU DO FIND THAT TENSION. I

2:40:48DON'T PERSONALLY HAVE AN ISSUE

2:40:50WITH THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS

2:40:51FAILING SIX SIX. THAT'S THAT'S

2:40:52WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. IF

2:40:53YOU CAN'T FIND YOUR SEVEN VOTE,

2:40:55WELL, THAT'S ON YOU. I DO

2:40:58BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT IT'S THE

2:41:03OBLIGATION OF THIS BODY TO

2:41:04CHOOSE ITS LEADERSHIP AND OUR

2:41:07INABILITY TO RESOLVE THAT

2:41:09QUESTION SWIFTLY AND WITH A

2:41:11SORT OF LIKE LEVEL OF RIGOR. I

2:41:15THINK HAS CREATED A LOSS OF

2:41:17CONFIDENCE IN THE PUBLIC. AND I

2:41:18THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO

2:41:20EARN THAT BACK. SO THERE'S

2:41:21THERE'S A COUPLE PROPOSALS THAT

2:41:23I'VE REVIEWED HERE THAT ARE IN

2:41:24PLAY THAT I, I LIKE SOME MORE

2:41:25THAN OTHERS KIND OF INTERESTED

2:41:29IN THE COIN TOSS, TO BE HONEST

2:41:30WITH YOU. BUT, BUT I DEFINITELY

2:41:32THINK THAT, YEAH, I'LL SAVE MY

2:41:35BROADER COMMENTS AS WE GET INTO

2:41:36DEBATES ON THE MERITS, BUT I

2:41:38JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WE

2:41:40HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO CHOOSE

2:41:41OUR OWN LEADERSHIP ON THIS BODY.

2:41:43THANKS.

2:41:44>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GREEN.

2:41:45>> COUNCILOR RYAN, THANK YOU

2:41:47CHAIR.

2:41:47>> KANAL. AND I WANT TO THANK

2:41:49ALL OF YOU WHO SERVED ON THIS

2:41:51SUB COMMITTEE, IF YOU WILL. AND

2:41:53I'LL JUST SAY DITTO TO WHAT

2:41:55COUNCILOR SMITH SAID. I I'M

2:41:57REALLY CLEAR THAT THAT'S THE

2:41:59SOLUTION. AND I THINK HAVING A.

2:42:02I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE

2:42:04VARIABLES WHEN WE GET THERE, I.

2:42:06I'M SEEING THE VARIABLES. HOW

2:42:07MANY ROUNDS? THAT'S A GREAT

2:42:09QUESTION BECAUSE IT WOULD BE

2:42:10GREAT IF WE COULD RESOLVE IT,

2:42:11BUT I KNOW WHEN I VOTED ON THE

2:42:13CHARTER, IT WAS REALLY CRYSTAL

2:42:14CLEAR THAT THE MAYOR WOULD

2:42:16BREAK TIES. SO I FEEL LIKE WE

2:42:18CREATED THIS SOMEHOW AND IT WAS

2:42:22UNNECESSARY. SO I LOOK FORWARD

2:42:23TO HEARING WHAT EVERYONE ELSE

2:42:25HAS TO SAY, BUT I JUST WANT TO

2:42:27LET YOU KNOW I'M CRYSTAL CLEAR.

2:42:28THANKS.

2:42:29>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR RYAN.

2:42:30I'M NEXT IN THE QUEUE. FIRST

2:42:32OFF, I WANTED TO IDENTIFY THE

2:42:33PROBLEM STATEMENT. I THINK THAT

2:42:35THIS I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING

2:42:38COUNCILOR GREEN SAID ABOUT OUR

2:42:39GENERAL VOTES. AND ON THE

2:42:42FAIRNESS OF SIX SIXES FAILING

2:42:44AS IT RELATES TO AMENDMENTS,

2:42:46BUDGET AND OTHERWISE, WITH WITH

2:42:48RELATION TO THE COUNCIL

2:42:50PRESIDENT AND THEORETICALLY

2:42:51VICE PRESIDENT, ALTHOUGH THAT

2:42:52HASN'T HAPPENED YET. VOTES. I

2:42:53DO THINK THAT THAT'S A LITTLE

2:42:55DIFFERENT. I THINK THERE ARE

2:42:56PEOPLE WHO ARE CAUTIOUSLY

2:42:58OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THE CHARTER,

2:42:58FOR WHOM THIS HAS POSED A

2:43:00PRETTY BIG CHALLENGE TO THEIR

2:43:03FAITH IN THE NEW SYSTEM. AND I

2:43:04THINK THERE ARE ALSO PEOPLE WHO

2:43:06WERE MAYBE NEVER IN FAVOR OF

2:43:07THE CHARTER WHO ARE USING THIS

2:43:09AS AN EXAMPLE, I THINK KIND OF

2:43:11CYNICALLY FOR WHY THE REST OF

2:43:12THE SYSTEM IS ON TRIAL TO THEM.

2:43:16I'M NOT REFERRING TO ANY

2:43:17COLLEAGUES WHEN I SAY THAT. I'M

2:43:18MORE TALKING ABOUT THE OUTSIDE

2:43:19CONVERSATION. I THINK, WITH

2:43:21RELATION TO THE UNSETTLED

2:43:23QUESTION OF THE COUNCIL

2:43:25PRESIDENT'S POWER IS IS AN

2:43:27IMPORTANT ONE. I'M GLAD

2:43:28COUNCILOR PIRTLE-GUINEY RAISED

2:43:29THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE I THINK

2:43:31SOMETIMES IT FEELS A LOT HIGHER

2:43:33STAKES THAN IT MAY OTHERWISE

2:43:34FEEL. AND THEN THE RELEASE

2:43:36VALVE TO THAT IS THE THE LACK

2:43:40OF THE SAME FEELING AS IT

2:43:41RELATES TO THE VICE PRESIDENT.

2:43:43SO, YOU KNOW, ALONGSIDE THIS, I

2:43:44HOPE THAT THERE'S A

2:43:45CONVERSATION THAT STARTS ABOUT

2:43:48ENUMERATED POWERS FOR THE VICE

2:43:49PRESIDENT THAT MIGHT HELP WITH

2:43:50THIS SITUATION. AND COLLEAGUES,

2:43:52THE PICK ONE OPTION THAT I

2:43:54SUGGESTED IS NUMBER FOUR.

2:43:56INCUMBENT MUST ABSTAIN. AND

2:43:58THIS WOULD IN A ONE YEAR

2:44:00COUNCIL PRESIDENT TERM, BUT TWO

2:44:02YEARS OF THE SAME COUNCIL

2:44:03MEMBERSHIP EFFECTIVELY

2:44:05GUARANTEE OR NEAR GUARANTEE THE

2:44:09ROTATION OF POWER IN A COUNCIL

2:44:11THAT CANNOT INDEPENDENTLY COME

2:44:13TO A SEVEN VOTE MAJORITY FOR

2:44:15ANY ONE CANDIDATE. I THINK THAT

2:44:17THAT IS MAYBE THE FAIREST WAY,

2:44:19AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE

2:44:20SYSTEMS AROUND THE COUNTRY AND

2:44:21AROUND THE WORLD THAT HAVE THIS

2:44:23IN IN SITUATIONS WHERE THERE

2:44:25ISN'T EVEN SPLIT, THAT DOESN'T

2:44:28NECESSARILY RESOLVE THE, THE

2:44:30FOUR FOUR TYPE SPLITS, BUT I

2:44:31THINK IT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED.

2:44:33THE OTHER THING THAT I'D LIKE

2:44:35TO SUGGEST THAT WE LOOK AT IS

2:44:37STRAW POLLING OF SOME VARIETY

2:44:40TO GET CLEAR INDICATIONS OF OF

2:44:42COUNCILOR PREFERENCES PRIOR TO

2:44:44IT, A WORK SESSION SO THAT

2:44:45PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO DISCUSS WHAT

2:44:47THEY'RE LOOKING FOR BEFORE, WHO

2:44:48THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. EXACTLY.

2:44:50AS COUNCILOR AVALOS STATED IT.

2:44:51AND THEN ENSURING THAT THE THAT

2:44:54ANY CANDIDATE FOR ELECTION

2:44:55CANNOT PRESIDE OVER THAT

2:44:57ELECTION. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT

2:44:59I'M VERY INTERESTED IN. THAT

2:45:00DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT INTERESTED

2:45:02IN ANY OF THE OTHERS. I THINK,

2:45:03YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING THAT IS

2:45:05DEFINITIVE IN ALL SITUATIONS IS

2:45:07THE THE COIN FLIP OR, YOU KNOW,

2:45:11BECAUSE THERE MAY BE THREE, I

2:45:13GUESS, COUNCILORS. AND WE

2:45:14ACTUALLY PUT AS A VARIABLE,

2:45:15WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S MORE

2:45:16THAN TWO WHO ARE SPLIT. SO BUT

2:45:19SOME SORT OF RANDOM CHANCE IS

2:45:20THE ONLY 100% DEFINITIVE THING.

2:45:23BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF

2:45:24OTHER OPTIONS WE COULD DO THAT

2:45:26ARE MAYBE 99.9% DEFINITIVE. I'M

2:45:28INTERESTED IN THIS CONVERSATION

2:45:29CONTINUING. I KNOW THAT WE

2:45:30WON'T HAVE TIME TO GET TOO DEEP

2:45:32INTO IT TODAY, AND THAT'S OKAY,

2:45:34BECAUSE THERE'S NO ORDINANCE

2:45:35PROPOSED AT THIS MOMENT. BUT I

2:45:37DID WANT TO JUST KIND OF GIVE A

2:45:39STARTING POINT FOR WHERE I AM

2:45:41LOOKING. THANKS, COUNCILOR

2:45:44NOVICK, YOU ARE NEXT IN THE

2:45:46QUEUE.

2:45:46>> THANK YOU. ONE THING I WANT

2:45:48TO THANK THE GROUP FOR IS

2:45:50ACTUALLY THE SERIOUSNESS WITH

2:45:51WHICH YOU TOOK THE COIN FLIP

2:45:52OPTION, AND AFTER READING THE

2:45:54DESCRIPTION, I'M SORT OF MORE

2:45:55INCLINED TOWARDS IT THAN IT

2:45:56WOULD HAVE BEEN BEFORE. I

2:46:00ACTUALLY LIKE A COUPLE OF IDEAS

2:46:01THAT DON'T REALLY RESOLVE THE

2:46:03THE ISSUE, BUT LIKE THE IDEA OF

2:46:04HAVING A WORK SESSION WHERE WE

2:46:06DISCUSS THE EXPECTATIONS FOR

2:46:07THE PRESIDENT AND VICE

2:46:08PRESIDENT, I THINK THAT WOULD

2:46:10BE A GOOD THING. I ALSO THINK

2:46:11THAT HAVING EXECUTIVE SESSION

2:46:12WHERE WE DISCUSS THIS BE A GOOD

2:46:14THING. I DON'T THINK THAT ALL

2:46:15DECISIONS SHOULD BE MADE IN

2:46:17PUBLIC. AND I THINK IN OTHER

2:46:18LEADERSHIP ELECTIONS AND OTHER

2:46:19BODIES, SOME OF THESE

2:46:20DISCUSSIONS ARE HAD IN PRIVATE.

2:46:22I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR SMITH ON

2:46:23THE INTERPRETATION OF THE

2:46:25CHARTER. ONE THING, HOWEVER,

2:46:27THAT I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S

2:46:29A GOOD IDEA FOR THE MAYOR TO BE

2:46:30DECIDING COUNCIL LEADERSHIP,

2:46:31EVEN IF THAT IS THE LAW. AND

2:46:33ONE THING I REGRET NOT HAVING

2:46:34PROPOSED JUST OVER A YEAR AGO,

2:46:36WAS SIMPLY SETTING OUT A

2:46:38CHARTER AMENDMENT TO CREATE A

2:46:4013TH AT LARGE COUNCILOR, WHICH

2:46:42WOULD BREAK THE DEADLOCK

2:46:43WITHOUT INVOLVING THE MAYOR. SO

2:46:46THOSE ARE YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE

2:46:48MY INITIAL MY INITIAL THOUGHTS.

2:46:49AND I YOU KNOW, COUNCILOR

2:46:51RYAN'S LAUGHING. I MEAN,

2:46:53THERE'S THERE ARE PLENTY OF,

2:46:54YOU KNOW, JURISDICTIONS THAT

2:46:56HAVE MOSTLY DISTRICT, BUT SOME

2:46:58AT LARGE COUNCILORS. THAT WOULD

2:46:59BE ONE WAY OF RESOLVING IT.

2:47:03>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR NOVICK,

2:47:05JUST AS I APPROACH THIS. Q

2:47:07GOING FORWARD, I AM GOING TO

2:47:08PRIORITIZE THOSE WHO HAVEN'T

2:47:09SPOKEN BEFORE. JUST GOING INTO

2:47:11THAT, COUNCILOR SMITH, YOU ARE

2:47:12NEXT IN THE QUEUE.

2:47:13>> THANK YOU AND THANK YOU. OUR

2:47:18LAWYER FRIEND UP HERE ON THE

2:47:20COUNCIL FOR TELLING ME I CAN

2:47:22BREAK THE LAW. I WILL NOT NOT

2:47:26KNOWINGLY. AND I KNOW THAT THIS

2:47:28IS BREAKING THE LAW. IT'S YOU

2:47:31GUYS. WE IT'S IT'S IT'S ALMOST

2:47:33LIKE WHEN I TELL MY

2:47:35GRANDCHILDREN NOT TO DO

2:47:37SOMETHING, THEY COME AND GIVE

2:47:38ME ALL THESE OTHER WAYS AND

2:47:40LOOPHOLES TO GET AROUND WHAT

2:47:41I'M TRYING TO TELL THEM. AND

2:47:43THEY KNOW WHAT I TELL THEM IS

2:47:44THE LAW IN MY HOUSE. SO THAT'S

2:47:48WHAT I FEEL LIKE. I FEEL LIKE

2:47:50I'M, I'M, I'M KIND OF IN THAT

2:47:51SAME KIND OF SITUATION WHERE, I

2:47:53MEAN, I, I REALLY RESPECT THE

2:47:58WORK AND THE TIME THAT YOU ALL

2:48:00SPENT, BUT IT'S, I MEAN, WE GOT

2:48:02SO MANY OTHER THINGS, BUT THE

2:48:03REASON WHY I PUT MY HAND UP IS

2:48:05BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, COUNCILOR

2:48:06GREEN. I'VE HEARD SIMILAR

2:48:08THINGS. OH, YOU GUYS AREN'T

2:48:10DOING ANYTHING. YOU CAN'T DO

2:48:11ANYTHING I SAID. BUT WE'VE DONE

2:48:13A LOT OF WORK. THERE'S JUST

2:48:15BEEN SOME REALLY HIGH PROFILE

2:48:16THINGS THAT WE JUST DIDN'T

2:48:18AGREE ON. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT

2:48:19ALL THE WORK THAT HAS GONE

2:48:21THROUGH THE COMMITTEES AND

2:48:22VOTED THROUGH, WE'VE DONE A LOT

2:48:23OF WORK AND WE HAVE BEEN

2:48:25EFFECTIVE. SO I, I WON'T ALLOW

2:48:29FOLKS TO, TO TAKE ME DOWN THAT

2:48:31RABBIT HOLE, BUT BECAUSE I KNOW

2:48:34WE'RE WORKING, WE'RE IN THIS

2:48:35BUILDING, WE'RE IN THIS, THIS

2:48:37SEAT FOR SIX, SEVEN HOURS A DAY,

2:48:39TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY.

2:48:40AND LIKE WE HAVE NEVER BEEN

2:48:42BEFORE, EVEN LAST YEAR, OUR

2:48:45FIRST YEAR, THIS HAS JUST BEEN

2:48:46A VERY RIGOROUS SCHEDULE AS FAR

2:48:49AS I'M CONCERNED. I'D LIKE TO

2:48:51HAVE MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT

2:48:52THAT. BUT THAT BEING SAID,

2:48:55WE'VE BEEN DOING WORK. FOLKS

2:48:56MAY NOT AGREE. WE'VE TALKED

2:48:58ABOUT ISSUES THAT, YOU KNOW,

2:49:00MANY FOLKS TALK ABOUT THE I

2:49:02DIDN'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE

2:49:03BEEN SPENDING SIX MONTHS ON IT,

2:49:04BUT WE DID, AT ANY RATE. AND SO

2:49:07WE KIND OF GET OFF TRACK ON

2:49:08THAT. BUT WE HAVE DONE WORK. WE

2:49:10HAVE CHANGED SOME THINGS THAT

2:49:11NEEDED TO BE CHANGED. WE HAVE

2:49:13WE HAVE DELIBERATED ON THE

2:49:16THINGS THAT THE BUREAUS HAVE

2:49:18PUT FORWARD TO THE MAYOR THAT

2:49:19HAVE GOTTEN TO US. SO I THINK

2:49:21WE HAVE DONE THAT JOB, BUT WE

2:49:23HAVE FAILED TO REALLY WE HAVE

2:49:25FAILED THE COMMUNITY AND REALLY

2:49:29COMING TO GRIPS THAT WE HAVE A

2:49:33CHARTER. IF Y'ALL WANT TO

2:49:34CHANGE, Y'ALL BASICALLY ARE

2:49:35CHANGING THE CHARTER WITH THIS

2:49:37AND Y'ALL CAN'T CHANGE THE

2:49:38CHARTER. YOU GOT TO WAIT FOR

2:49:39THE CHARTER CHANGE, Y'ALL. IT'S

2:49:42LIKE, YOU KNOW, MY GRANDKIDS,

2:49:43THEY WANT TO OPEN THEIR

2:49:44PRESENTS THE DAY BEFORE

2:49:45CHRISTMAS. NO, YOU WANT TO

2:49:47CHANGE STUFF. YOU CAN'T. IN

2:49:50ORDER TO GET THIS CHANGE, YOU

2:49:51HAVE TO GO THROUGH CHARTER OR

2:49:52YOU HAVE TO GO GET A

2:49:53DECLARATORY JUDGMENT. SO, I

2:49:54MEAN, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THESE

2:49:56ARE THINGS THAT I KNOW YOU'RE

2:49:58TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM

2:49:59BEFORE WE GET THERE. BUT LET'S

2:50:01WAIT TILL AFTER THE ELECTION

2:50:02AND WE'LL SEE.

2:50:05>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SMITH.

2:50:07COUNCILOR. PIRTLE-GUINEY. THEN.

2:50:08NOVICK.

2:50:11>> I WAS HOPING TO HAVE SOME

2:50:12OTHER FOLKS TALK FIRST, BUT THE

2:50:14QUEUE WAS GETTING SHORT, SO I

2:50:15JUMPED IN. COLLEAGUES. A LOT OF

2:50:20THE PROPOSALS THAT WE

2:50:23CONSIDERED IN THIS GROUP

2:50:25CONTINUE TO STRIKE ME AS

2:50:27REACTIONS TO THE PAST TWO

2:50:29ELECTIONS, AND THAT MAKES ME A

2:50:31LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE

2:50:32BECAUSE. WE GET A LOT OF GOOD

2:50:37DONE ALTOGETHER, AND WE DON'T

2:50:41KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE WILL HOLD

2:50:44FOR THIS BODY. AND I DON'T MEAN

2:50:45THAT LOOKING TO A MONTH FROM

2:50:48NOW IN AN UPCOMING ELECTION. I

2:50:49MEAN THAT LOOKING TO FOUR OR 8

2:50:52OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW, AND THE

2:50:55FACT THAT ANY NUMBER OF THINGS

2:50:58COULD COME UP THAT THIS BODY

2:50:59FACES IN THAT TIME, AND WRITING

2:51:02RULES SPECIFIC TO TWO DISCRETE

2:51:07CHALLENGES. HAS A REAL

2:51:12OPPORTUNITY TO LEAVE US WITH

2:51:13EVEN MORE CHALLENGES DOWN THE

2:51:15ROAD. I WANT TO STATE CLEARLY

2:51:17THAT I TRUST OUR CURRENT

2:51:19COUNCIL PRESIDENT TO PRESIDE

2:51:22OVER A COUNCIL PRESIDENT

2:51:24ELECTION, WHETHER OR NOT HE IS

2:51:26RUNNING. I TRUST ANY OF YOU TO

2:51:30PRESIDE OVER A VOTE THAT YOU

2:51:31HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN. WE

2:51:33DO THAT EVERY DAY. WE DO THAT

2:51:35EVERY TIME SOMEBODY IS CHAIRING

2:51:36A BODY AND HAS A PROPOSAL,

2:51:38CHAIRING A COMMITTEE, AND HAS A

2:51:39PROPOSAL BEFORE IT, WE DO THAT

2:51:41WHEN WE LET CHAIRS SET AGENDAS,

2:51:43THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLACES

2:51:45WHERE WE ALL HAVE VESTED

2:51:47INTERESTS IN THE WORK AND

2:51:48PRESIDE OVER IT. NONETHELESS, I

2:51:51ALSO DON'T THINK ANYBODY SHOULD

2:51:53BE DISENFRANCHIZED FOR HAVING

2:51:54STEPPED UP. SO PROPOSALS LIKE

2:51:58ASKING THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT

2:51:59NOT TO PRESIDE OR NOT TO VOTE

2:52:02ARE NONSTARTERS FOR ME. IN FACT,

2:52:04I DON'T WANT US TO

2:52:06DISENFRANCHIZE ANY OF OUR

2:52:07COLLEAGUES EVER. AND I THINK

2:52:10THERE ARE A FEW PROPOSALS HERE

2:52:12THAT START TO FEEL LIKE THEY DO

2:52:13THAT. I'M ALSO NOT INTERESTED

2:52:16IN OPTIONS WHICH DEPEND UPON

2:52:19MEMBERS WHO MAY NO LONGER BE IN

2:52:21OFFICE. SO AN AUTOMATIC VICE

2:52:23PRESIDENT, SUCCESSION,

2:52:25SUCCESSION, OR THE COUNCIL

2:52:27PRESIDENT ABSTAINING ASSUMES

2:52:29THAT SOMEBODY IS STILL IN

2:52:32OFFICE WHO MAY HAVE CHOSEN NOT

2:52:33TO RUN THE NEXT YEAR. AND THAT

2:52:37LEADS US TO A LONG PATH OF

2:52:41FIGURING OUT WHAT IFS. IF WE

2:52:43GET STUCK IN A COUNCIL

2:52:45PRESIDENT ELECTION, AND THE

2:52:47METHOD FOR RESOLVING IT THAT WE

2:52:49HAVE BEFORE US ISN'T ACTUALLY

2:52:51POSSIBLE. THERE'S ALSO A WHOLE

2:52:54CATEGORY OF THINGS HERE THAT

2:52:55BRING SOME OF OUR DELIBERATIONS

2:52:57BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, AND THIS

2:53:00COUNCIL HAS REPEATEDLY TRIED TO

2:53:03MOVE MORE AND MORE OF OUR

2:53:05DELIBERATIONS INTO THE OPEN AND

2:53:06TO THE PUBLIC. NOW, I DO THINK

2:53:09THAT THE WORK OF RUNNING OUR

2:53:11BODY IS AT TIMES DIFFERENT FROM

2:53:13THE WORK OF RUNNING OUR CITY,

2:53:16AND IT MAY BE THAT IT HELPS TO

2:53:18EASE TENSION IF WE MOVE SOME OF

2:53:20THOSE CONVERSATIONS BEHIND

2:53:22CLOSED DOORS. BUT IF WE DO THAT,

2:53:24I WANT US TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT

2:53:26HOW WE DO THAT AND HOW MUCH WE

2:53:28MOVE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS,

2:53:30BECAUSE I WANT PORTLANDERS TO

2:53:33STILL TRUST THIS BODY. I DO

2:53:36THINK THAT WHAT HELPED US LAST

2:53:39YEAR WAS A COOLING OFF PERIOD.

2:53:42AND WHILE IT WASN'T MANDATORY,

2:53:44AND WHILE THERE WERE SOME FOLKS

2:53:46WHO WERE FRUSTRATED THAT WE

2:53:48TOOK SIX DAYS BEFORE WE

2:53:50RECONVENED, THAT TIME ALLOWED

2:53:53FOLKS TO BRING THE TEMPERATURE

2:53:55DOWN, HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL NON

2:53:59QUORUM DISCUSSIONS, AND COME

2:54:02BACK AND MOVE US FORWARD. I

2:54:05DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE

2:54:06MANDATORY. WE DID IT WITHOUT IT

2:54:08BEING MANDATED LAST TIME AROUND.

2:54:11BUT I DO THINK THINGS LIKE A

2:54:13COOLING OFF PERIOD, LIKE MOVING

2:54:17OTHER NAMES FORWARD. MAYBE EVEN

2:54:23CONSIDERING AND THE INCUMBENT

2:54:26REMAINING IN OFFICE FOR A

2:54:28PERIOD OF TIME. THOUGH I HAVE

2:54:29CONCERNS ABOUT SOMEBODY NOT

2:54:31BEING ABLE TO MOVE US FORWARD

2:54:33AND GET THE WORK DONE. IF

2:54:34THAT'S THE CASE, THOSE MAY HELP

2:54:37EASE TENSION, AND I THINK

2:54:38THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR

2:54:40HERE. I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK

2:54:41THE STATUS QUO IS AS BROKEN AS

2:54:43I THINK SOME OF YOU ALL DO. BUT

2:54:46IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR

2:54:47CHANGES, I'M LOOKING FOR THINGS

2:54:49THAT ALLOW US OPPORTUNITIES TO

2:54:51EASE THE TENSION, WHETHER THAT

2:54:54IS THROUGH DISCUSSION OR SOME

2:54:57BREAKS IN OUR DELIBERATION, SO

2:55:00THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH

2:55:01GOOD DECISION MAKING THAT GETS

2:55:03US OUT OF IMPASSES. THAT MAY

2:55:09ACTUALLY BE ABOUT A SPECIFIC

2:55:14PERSON OR A SPECIFIC CONCERN,

2:55:16AND NOT ABOUT THE THE HOLISTIC

2:55:20NEEDS OF THE BODY. I'LL LEAVE

2:55:22IT THERE FOR NOW. I LOOK

2:55:23FORWARD TO HEARING FROM OTHERS.

2:55:24THANKS, CHAIR.

2:55:25>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR

2:55:26PIRTLE-GUINEY. GO TO COUNCILOR

2:55:27NOVICK THEN GREEN AND JUST AS A

2:55:28FLAG AFTER COUNCILOR GREEN, I

2:55:30WILL BE CLOSING THE QUEUE SO

2:55:31FEEL FREE TO GET IN BEFORE THAT.

2:55:33>> JUST REAL QUICKLY. I AGREE

2:55:34WITH EVERYTHING THAT COUNCILOR

2:55:36PIRTLE-GUINEY JUST SAID, EXCEPT

2:55:36THAT I DO THINK THAT THERE'S

2:55:38SOME DISCUSSIONS SHOULD BE HAD

2:55:40IN PRIVATE, AND I THINK THAT

2:55:41THE PUBLIC WOULD BE PERFECTLY

2:55:43FINE WITH RESOLVING SOME THINGS

2:55:44IN PRIVATE, RATHER THAN

2:55:45EVERYTHING HAVING TO BE IN

2:55:46PUBLIC. I ALSO JUST WANT TO SAY,

2:55:48COUNCILOR SMITH, I DON'T THINK

2:55:49IT WAS CLEAR BEFORE. YOU'RE

2:55:50ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT CHARTER

2:55:51SAYS THE MAYOR BREAKS TIES.

2:55:53THAT MEANS ALL TIES. SO I THINK

2:55:56I SUPPORT YOUR IDEA OF JUDGMENT.

2:55:58I WAS JUST SAYING THAT I

2:56:00UNDERSTAND PEOPLE'S UNEASINESS

2:56:02WITH THE IDEA OF A MAYOR

2:56:03DECIDING THE LEADERSHIP OF THE

2:56:04COUNCIL, BUT THERE'S A SOLUTION

2:56:06TO THAT. IF WE WANT TO MAKE

2:56:07SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN,

2:56:09THEN SET OUT A CHARTER CHANGE

2:56:10TO ESTABLISH A 13TH COUNCILOR.

2:56:11THANK YOU.

2:56:12>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR NOVICK.

2:56:13WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR GREEN,

2:56:15THEN. CLERK.

2:56:17>> YEAH, TO THE KIND OF

2:56:20SUBSTANTIVE OPTIONS HERE. I

2:56:22THINK, GENERALLY SPEAKING, I

2:56:25FAVOR SIMPLICITY. YOU KNOW,

2:56:30IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD WALK

2:56:33INTO THIS CHAMBERS AND RESOLVE

2:56:36THE QUESTION IN 1 OR 2 ROUNDS,

2:56:38BUT THAT WILL DEPEND UPON THE

2:56:41ELECTORATE AND WHO THEY CHOOSE

2:56:43TO REPRESENT THEM. RIGHT. SO WE

2:56:44CAN'T NECESSARILY PREDICT THAT.

2:56:47BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE SOME

2:56:48TOOLS HERE. I KIND OF I

2:56:51GENERALLY AGREE WITH. COUNCILOR.

2:56:53PIRTLE-GUINEY. SORT OF

2:56:56MISGIVINGS ON APPROACHES THAT

2:56:59WOULD DEPEND UPON PEOPLE WHO

2:57:02ARE SERVING AND ASSUME THAT

2:57:03THEY ARE GOING TO SERVE EITHER

2:57:05IN THE CITY COUNCIL OR EVEN IN

2:57:08LEADERSHIP. LIKE WHAT IF YOU

2:57:09DON'T WANT TO BE THE COUNCIL

2:57:11PRESIDENT AND YOU'RE THE

2:57:11CURRENTLY THE VICE PRESIDENT?

2:57:13LIKE THAT FEELS LIKE A SENTENCE

2:57:14MORE THAN IT FEELS LIKE AN

2:57:15OPPORTUNITY. SO I THINK LIKE

2:57:17WHAT'S STANDING, WHAT'S COMING

2:57:18UP TO THE SURFACE FOR ME IS A

2:57:20COMBINATION OF A FEW THINGS.

2:57:21ONE, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE

2:57:23SORT OF DELIBERATE WORK SESSION

2:57:26APPROACH WHERE WE CAN START TO

2:57:27SORT OF MAKE THE CASE AND LIKE,

2:57:29WHO, WHAT KIND OF LEADER WE

2:57:30WANT, WHO CAN BRING THAT SKILL

2:57:32SET TO BEAR, WHAT ARE OUR

2:57:34PRIORITIES. AND IT REALLY GETS

2:57:35US TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE

2:57:37STARTING THE YEAR DOING A

2:57:38PRIORITY BASED SORT OF SESSION,

2:57:40IF YOU WILL. I'M OPEN TO SOME

2:57:43LEVEL OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND

2:57:47TWO, I THINK, OR THREE, I GUESS

2:57:49I LIKE STAR VOTING BECAUSE AND

2:57:52ESPECIALLY IF WE'VE GOT

2:57:53MULTIPLE CANDIDATES, BECAUSE I

2:57:55THINK IN SOME SENSE IT REMOVES

2:57:57THE INCENTIVE TO PRE-GAME THIS

2:58:02TO SORT OF SAY, ALL RIGHT, I

2:58:03KNOW THAT THIS PERSON MAYBE

2:58:05WON'T HAVE ALL THE VOTES. WE'LL,

2:58:06WE'LL PUT UP THIS OTHER PERSON

2:58:08FIRST, AND THEN THAT PERSON

2:58:09GETS UP, KNOCKED OUT. AND THEN

2:58:12WE'VE, WE'RE COMING IN ON THE

2:58:13BACK END WITH SOMEONE WHO WE'RE

2:58:15PRESENTING AS A COMPROMISE

2:58:16CANDIDATE, BUT MAYBE THEY WERE

2:58:17ALWAYS THE PERSON WE WANTED IN

2:58:18THE FIRST PLACE. I THINK ANY

2:58:20GIVEN FACTION WILL ALWAYS BE

2:58:22GIVEN OVER TO THAT TYPE OF A

2:58:23STRATEGY, AND I DON'T THINK

2:58:25IT'S PARTICULARLY HELPFUL. AND

2:58:26SO IF YOU HAVE A STAR VOTING

2:58:27SYSTEM, YOU SIMPLY JUST SAY,

2:58:29LOOK, BASED UPON THE WORK

2:58:30SESSION, WE HEARD FROM THESE

2:58:31THREE DIFFERENT COUNCIL

2:58:32PRESIDENT CANDIDATES. HERE ARE

2:58:33THE DIFFERENT WAYS THEY'D

2:58:34APPROACH IT. YOU ASSIGN YOUR

2:58:36POINTS BASED UPON WHAT YOU LIKE

2:58:38ABOUT THEM, AND THE VOTE

2:58:40RESOLVES. AND THERE'S A VERY

2:58:41RARE CASE WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE

2:58:43A TIE. AND IN THAT CASE, FLIP A

2:58:44COIN. I THINK THAT'S HOW I WANT

2:58:46TO DO IT. I THINK IF WE'RE

2:58:48GOING TO DO A CHARTER AMENDMENT

2:58:49PROCESS, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A

2:58:5113TH COUNCILOR. BUT I MEAN, WE

2:58:52WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO

2:58:54DO THAT IN ANYTIME SOON. SO WE

2:58:56GOT TO WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW

2:58:58TO. WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO

2:59:00ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M

2:59:01GOING TO TAKE YOU ONE MORE.

2:59:03COUNCILOR RYAN, BECAUSE I SEE

2:59:04YOUR REACTION. WE'RE GONNA HAVE

2:59:0521 COUNCILORS. WE'RE GOING TO

2:59:06TAKE. WE'RE GOING TO GO AS HIGH,

2:59:08AS HIGH AS WE AS WE CAN. JUST

2:59:10KIDDING.

2:59:11>> PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET.

2:59:12>> YEAH, WE'LL PUT IT. WE'LL

2:59:13TAKE IT OUT OF YOUR BUDGET. BUT

2:59:15BUT YEAH, NO, I THINK I THINK

2:59:17THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT. AND

2:59:19YOU KNOW, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE.

2:59:20WE'RE JUST HAVING FUN.

2:59:22>> WE DO. WE HAVE PEOPLE ONLINE.

2:59:24WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR. I'M

2:59:26GOING TO CLOSE THE QUEUE. IT'S

2:59:27GOING TO GO COUNCILOR CLARK,

2:59:29ZIMMERMAN, RYAN AND THEN MYSELF.

2:59:30AND THEN WE WILL WRAP. I DO

2:59:32KNOW WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES

2:59:33LEFT, SO PLEASE KEEP IT BRIEF

2:59:35IF YOU CAN, BUT I KNOW TWO OF

2:59:37YOU HAVE NOT SPOKEN YET. SO

2:59:38COUNCILOR CLARK, TAKE IT AWAY.

2:59:39>> THANK YOU CHAIR.

2:59:40>> I ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S BEEN

2:59:42A GOOD DISCUSSION. I AGREE WITH

2:59:44SOME THINGS, DISAGREE WITH

2:59:45OTHERS, DON'T NEED TO GET INTO

2:59:47IT. BUT I WAS WONDERING IF

2:59:48THERE WAS AN ATTORNEY IN THE

2:59:50ROOM THAT CAN TELL US EXACTLY

2:59:51WHAT IT WILL TAKE FOR US TO GET

2:59:53THAT DECLARATORY JUDGMENT,

2:59:54BECAUSE I REALLY THINK WE NEED

2:59:56TO DO THAT AND GET THAT OUT OF

2:59:57THE WAY. IS THERE SOMEBODY WHO

2:59:59CAN ADDRESS THAT?

3:00:00>> SO WE SPOKE.

3:00:01>> THE ATTORNEYS ARE NOT

3:00:03AVAILABLE THAT FAST, BUT I KNOW

3:00:05THAT WE KIND OF THE IDEA BEHIND

3:00:07THIS IS COUNCIL VIBE AND

3:00:09INITIAL POSITIONING. SO AND

3:00:11THEN IF THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO

3:00:12DO THAT, I WASN'T. YEAH. SO

3:00:14THERE'S NOBODY IN THE ROOM

3:00:15RIGHT NOW. I KNOW YOUR ANGLE

3:00:16MAY NOT SHOW IT.

3:00:18>> OKAY. NO I CAN'T, I CAN'T

3:00:20SEE THE ROOM, BUT I AM

3:00:21INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT

3:00:22EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD TAKE

3:00:24BECAUSE I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF

3:00:25THAT. I THOUGHT THAT NUMBER

3:00:28FOUR, THE INCUMBENT MUST

3:00:30ABSTAIN IS KIND OF INTERESTING,

3:00:33AND I APPRECIATE WHAT COUNCILOR

3:00:35GREEN SAID THAT YOU DON'T WANT

3:00:36THE VICE PRESIDENT TO TO BE

3:00:38FORCED TO DO THAT, THAT IT

3:00:40REALLY IS A SENTENCE, BUT I'LL

3:00:42JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

3:00:44>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR CLARK,

3:00:45COUNCILOR ZIMMERMAN, FOLLOWED

3:00:46BY RYAN.

3:00:47>> RYAN.

3:00:50>> THANK YOU. THIS IS AN

3:00:52INTERESTING DOCUMENT. I'M GLAD

3:00:54THAT THE CONVERSATION HAS GONE

3:00:56MORE SERIOUS THAN I THINK THE

3:00:57DOCUMENT, AT LEAST FIRST FELL

3:00:58IN MY LAP BECAUSE PENNY

3:01:01FLIPPING AND ASKING PEOPLE TO

3:01:04NOT VOTE IS NOT SOMETHING

3:01:06YOU'LL EVER SEE ME SUPPORT. I

3:01:07FIND THAT JUST INCREDIBLY

3:01:09STRANGE AND PROBABLY A CHARTER

3:01:10VIOLATION TO BE TRUTHFUL, TO

3:01:11SAY, HEY, THIS ONE COUNCILOR

3:01:13CANNOT VOTE BECAUSE OF SOME OF

3:01:15THE REASONS THAT COUNCILOR

3:01:16PIRTLE-GUINEY PUT OUT. SO I'M

3:01:18GLAD THAT THIS CONVERSATION IS

3:01:20IS GOING MORE SERIOUS THAN I

3:01:21THOUGHT THE DOCUMENT SOUNDED ON

3:01:22INITIAL PERUSING. I DID NOT

3:01:24KNOW THAT SO MUCH WORK HAD GONE

3:01:26INTO THIS OR THAT IT WAS EVEN

3:01:27OCCURRING. I DO WANT TO JUST

3:01:30SAY WE'VE HAD TWO COUNCIL

3:01:30PRESIDENTS OVER TWO YEARS WHO

3:01:32HAVE HAD EVERY OPPORTUNITY

3:01:34AVAILABLE TO THEM TO FIX THIS

3:01:36GRAND QUESTION OF CHARTER, AND

3:01:40I WANT TO REMIND FOLKS THAT

3:01:41JUST BECAUSE A CITY ATTORNEY

3:01:44SAYS ONE THING, THE COUNCIL

3:01:47PRESIDENT, THE PRESIDING

3:01:49OFFICER, IS THE PERSON WHO

3:01:51RULES. AND THERE'S REALLY ONLY

3:01:55ONE TIME WHEN THIS WOULD NOT

3:01:56HAVE APPLIED. AND THAT WAS THE

3:01:58VERY FIRST TIME WE ELECTED A

3:01:59COUNCIL PRESIDENT WHEN WE HAD

3:02:01NO PRESIDING OFFICER IN A TRUE

3:02:02SENSE. BUT EVER SINCE THEN, WE

3:02:03HAVE HAD A PRESIDING OFFICER

3:02:05OVER EVERY TIME, AND THE

3:02:07PRESIDING OFFICER IS THE ONE

3:02:09WHO DOES OR DOESN'T DETERMINE

3:02:10WHETHER OR NOT TO CALL THE

3:02:11ATTORNEY IN. NOW, SOME FOLKS

3:02:14MAY HAVE DISAGREED WITH THAT,

3:02:15AND THEY MAY AGREE WITH OUR

3:02:17ATTORNEYS, OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S

3:02:19INTERPRETATION OF THE CHARTER.

3:02:22BUT IT WOULD TAKE, I THINK, A

3:02:23MAJORITY, IF NOT A

3:02:25SUPERMAJORITY, TO OVERRULE THAT

3:02:26COUNCIL PRESIDENT'S RULING IN

3:02:28THAT SITUATION. SO I JUST WANT

3:02:32TO LIFT UP THAT ASPECT OF WHAT

3:02:34WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT I

3:02:36DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVEN

3:02:38NEED TO GO. I MEAN, WE MAY NEED

3:02:40TO GO DOWN THIS INJUNCTION

3:02:41STANDPOINT. I THINK COUNCILOR

3:02:42SMITH IS IS VERY RIGHT IN THIS,

3:02:44AND I WILL SUPPORT HER ALL THE

3:02:45WAY TO THAT SO THAT WE ARE

3:02:47FOLLOWING CHARTER. A COUPLE OF

3:02:49THINGS THAT ARE IN THE MEAT OR

3:02:52THE SPIRIT HERE, CHAIR, THAT I

3:02:54GUESS I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS A

3:02:55LITTLE BIT IS I DON'T ADOPT AND

3:02:58ADHERE TO THIS IDEA THAT THE

3:02:59COUNCIL PRESIDENT. IT'S A GOOD

3:03:01IDEA THAT THEY SWITCH EVERY

3:03:02SINGLE YEAR. I'LL BE HONEST,

3:03:04I'M KIND OF LOOKING FOR COUNCIL

3:03:05PRESIDENT TO BE SOMEBODY WHO'S

3:03:07IN THE SEAT FOR A WHILE IF

3:03:09THEY'RE DOING WELL. I AM SO

3:03:11LOOKING FORWARD TO SOME SORT OF

3:03:12STABILITY ON THIS COUNCIL AND

3:03:15THIS IDEA THAT WE MUST

3:03:17AUTOMATICALLY SWITCH OR THE

3:03:18SWITCHES BETWEEN DISTRICTS OR

3:03:21AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES A VICE,

3:03:22THOSE KIND OF THINGS, I DON'T

3:03:23THINK, ACTUALLY ADD STABILITY

3:03:25TO A GOVERNMENT. I THINK THAT

3:03:27THAT'S WHY WE SEE IN MANY

3:03:29PLACES PRESIDENTS AND SPEAKERS

3:03:31OF BODIES. THEY STAY FOR A

3:03:32WHILE AS LONG AS THEY'VE GOT

3:03:34THE SUPPORT. AND I WANT TO

3:03:35CONTINUE TO ENABLE THAT TYPE OF

3:03:37LEADERSHIP. AND LASTLY, I THINK

3:03:39THAT WHAT WE SAW THIS YEAR WAS

3:03:44THE POLITICKING. AND I KNOW

3:03:47POLITICS IS A WORD THAT WE

3:03:48USUALLY USE AS A CURSE, BUT THE

3:03:50POLITICKING THAT IT TOOK TO GET

3:03:51OUR CURRENT COUNCIL PRESIDENT,

3:03:54IT STARTED, BUT IT COULD HAVE

3:03:56VERY WELL STARTED A LOT EARLIER,

3:03:57RIGHT? THERE WERE OBVIOUSLY

3:03:58DEALS STRUCK TO GET CERTAIN

3:04:00PEOPLE ROLES THAT THEN GOT

3:04:02PEOPLE VOTES. AND THAT

3:04:05SHOULDN'T BE SEEN AS A BAD IDEA.

3:04:06IT TAKES BUILDING A COALITION.

3:04:08IT TAKES TALKING TO THE FOLKS

3:04:10WHO MAYBE ARE ON THE FENCE

3:04:11ABOUT YOUR LEADERSHIP, BUT TO

3:04:13BEING ABLE TO GET SOMETHING OUT

3:04:14OF MAYBE A COMMITTEE LEADERSHIP,

3:04:16A VICE PRESIDENCY, ETCETERA, TO

3:04:18LEND SUPPORT. THOSE ARE THE

3:04:19TYPES OF THINGS THAT I THINK

3:04:21ACTUALLY PEOPLE THEY KIND OF

3:04:22KNOW EXISTS AND SHOULD HAPPEN,

3:04:24THAT AS THIS BODY MATURES, I

3:04:27THINK WE'LL SEE DISCUSSION MORE

3:04:30OF THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A

3:04:32OF AN ALLUSION TO LIKE THE

3:04:33LEADERSHIP OF COUNCIL AND WHAT

3:04:35IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND I'LL

3:04:36JUST, I'LL JUST SHOW MY CARDS.

3:04:38RIGHT. I, I'M LOOKING FOR

3:04:39SOMEBODY WHO WILL TALK ABOUT

3:04:40HOW THEY PLAN TO SET UP OUR

3:04:42COMMITTEES SO THAT WE'RE NOT IN

3:04:44BACK TO BACK THREE HOUR

3:04:45MEETINGS ON THE SAME DAY. I'M

3:04:46LOOKING TO SEE SOMEBODY WHO'S

3:04:47GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY

3:04:49ARE GOING TO UTILIZE THE

3:04:50COUNCIL SO THAT WHEN THE

3:04:51COUNCIL SHOWS UP, THEY ARE

3:04:53SHOWING UP THE BEST THEY CAN.

3:04:54AND AS WONDERFUL AS I THINK WE

3:04:56ALL MIGHT THINK WE ARE, NONE OF

3:04:57US ARE OUR BEST ON OUR SIX. AND

3:05:00YET WE STRUCTURALLY HAVE OUR

3:05:01SIX HAPPEN EVERY SINGLE WEEK.

3:05:03SO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS I, I,

3:05:05I AM, I AM NOT INCLINED

3:05:06ACTUALLY TO CHANGE ANYTHING

3:05:08ABOUT THIS PROCESS. I AM

3:05:10INCLINED TO ALLOW THE CREAM TO

3:05:12RISE. AND THE BEST POLITICIAN

3:05:13WHO CAN PUT FORWARD A GOOD PATH,

3:05:15A GOOD PLAN, AND BUILD A

3:05:16COALITION TO RISE. I JUST THINK

3:05:18WE ARE STILL IN THE DIAPER

3:05:20PHASE, FRANKLY, WITH FIGURING

3:05:22THIS OUT. AND IT'S BEEN A

3:05:23LITTLE ROCKY, BUT THAT'S WHERE

3:05:25I'M AT. I AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY

3:05:28THE DOCUMENT DIDN'T LAND GREAT

3:05:30ON ME, BUT YOUR GUYS'S

3:05:31DISCUSSION IN THERE AND

3:05:32LISTENING HAS BEEN HELPFUL. AND

3:05:33I DO APPRECIATE THAT. AND IT

3:05:36TELLS ME KIND OF WHERE SOME OF

3:05:37THE MOTIVATIONS ARE. I JUST

3:05:38THINK WE COME FROM VERY

3:05:40DIFFERENT MOTIVATIONS. AND SO I

3:05:41DO RESPECT THOSE POSITIONS. AND

3:05:42THANK YOU FOR THE CHAT.

3:05:45>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR

3:05:46ZIMMERMAN. I KNOW WE'RE JUST

3:05:47OVER TIME. SO COUNCILOR RYAN,

3:05:48BRIEFLY AND THEN I'LL CLOSE

3:05:49THIS OUT.

3:05:50>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR KANAL

3:05:51THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A THROAT

3:05:53CLEARING WORK SESSION ON THIS

3:05:54TOPIC. I WOULD SAY I'M STILL AT

3:05:56NUMBER ONE, ADDING NUMBER TWO.

3:05:59I'M FINE WITH THE WORK SESSION.

3:06:01NO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, YES TO

3:06:03COOLING OFF. AND I THINK

3:06:04WORKING THAT OUT IN A WORK

3:06:06SESSION WOULD MIGHT BE ONE

3:06:07REASON I HAVE ONE, IF WE REMAIN

3:06:09DEADLOCKED, I THINK THE

3:06:11INCUMBENT SHOULD REMAIN SO WE

3:06:12CAN DO CITY'S BUSINESS. AND

3:06:16JUST SINCE I HAD AUDIBLE

3:06:17REJECTIONS TO ADDING A 13TH

3:06:19MEMBER, I NEED TO SAY THAT I

3:06:21COULD SEE IT. WE WERE GOING TO

3:06:23TRIM FROM 3 TO 2 FROM EACH

3:06:25DISTRICT, AND THEN I THINK THE

3:06:26PUBLIC MIGHT BE FOR IT. I

3:06:28LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC OUT

3:06:29THERE, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE

3:06:30THAT WANTS US TO ADD MORE SEATS,

3:06:32SO I'LL REST THERE.

3:06:34>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR RYAN.

3:06:35I'LL JUST SAY ONE COMMENT TO

3:06:36BEFORE WE CLOSE IT OUT. FOR ME,

3:06:38THE UNDERLYING GOAL IS TO BUILD

3:06:41PUBLIC TRUST IN THE SYSTEM AND

3:06:45AND EARN IT. AND I THINK THAT

3:06:47INVOLVES, AT A MINIMUM, ENDING

3:06:49IT ON THE SAME DAY, THE SAME

3:06:52CALENDAR DAY, NOT DAY AS

3:06:54DEFINED BY RECESSING A MEETING

3:06:55THE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE LEAVE

3:06:58THE CHAMBER PERMANENTLY TO GO

3:07:00HOME, IT IS RESOLVED. AND SO

3:07:02THAT TO ME IS A CORE UNDERLYING

3:07:04FEATURE OF IT. AND MY REASON

3:07:05FOR OPPOSING THE THE RECESS IS

3:07:08COOLING OFFS REMAINING THE, YOU

3:07:10KNOW, KEEPING THE COUNCIL

3:07:11PRESIDENT IN PLACE FOR SOME

3:07:13PERIOD OF TIME. AND SO I THINK

3:07:14IT'S OUR JOB TO DO THAT. I

3:07:16THINK WE WERE ELECTED TO DO IT.

3:07:18AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

3:07:20THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE

3:07:21REQUIRED TO DO AS WELL. WE'RE

3:07:22GOING TO REVISIT THIS. IT IS

3:07:24CURRENTLY TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED

3:07:25TO COME BACK AS A DISCUSSION

3:07:26ITEM ON NOVEMBER 5TH. THERE'S A

3:07:28LOT OF ITEMS IN THE NOVEMBER

3:07:295TH AND 12TH PLACE, SO WE MAY

3:07:31NOT GET TO ALL OF THOSE. I

3:07:33WELCOME ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT AS

3:07:34WE GET CLOSER TO THAT DATE. THE

3:07:36TIME IS NOW. 503. WE DO HAVE A

3:07:38COUNCIL MEETING THIS EVENING AT

3:07:39SIX. AND SO WITH THAT, THIS

3:07:41MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE

3:07:42WHOLE IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.