2026-10-01 - Council

01:30>> THAT'S HOW SHE EMAILS US.

02:52>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M CALLING

02:54TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE

02:55PORTLAND CITY COUNCIL. IT'S 201

02:59ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER 1ST.

03:00KEELAN. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

03:02>> YES. GOOD AFTERNOON. JUST A

03:03QUICK NOTE, WE HAVE UPDATED THE

03:05VOTING ORDER JUST SO EVERYONE'S

03:07AWARE.

03:07>> CLERK NEW VOTING ORDER. NOT

03:09ME THEN.

03:13>> IT'S LAST QUARTER WITH Q4.

03:16LET'S GO D4.

03:17>> CLERK.

03:19>> CLERK.

03:21>> OH, SORRY. WAS THAT CLERK.

03:23>> CLERK RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU.

03:28GREEN CHAIR. ZIMMERMAN HERE.

03:30AVALOS.

03:31>> PRESENT.

03:32>> SMITH.

03:34>> KANAL HERE.

03:36>> PIRTLE-GUINEY.

03:38>> HERE.

03:39>> RYAN.

03:40>> HERE.

03:42>> KOYAMA LANE.

03:43>> HERE. HERE. HERE.

03:47>> HERE. CAN WE PLEASE READ THE

03:48RULES OF DECORUM FOR THE

03:50CHAMBER?

03:52>> GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME TO

03:53THE PORTLAND CITY COUNCIL. TO

03:55TESTIFY BEFORE COUNCIL IN

03:56PERSON OR VIRTUALLY. YOU MUST

03:57SIGN UP IN ADVANCE ON THE

03:58COUNCIL AGENDA AT

04:01WWW.PORTLAND.GOV/COUNCIL/AGENDA.

04:02INFORMATION ON ENGAGING WITH

04:03THE COUNCIL CAN BE FOUND ON THE

04:05COUNCIL CLERK'S WEBPAGE.

04:06INDIVIDUALS MAY TESTIFY FOR

04:07THREE MINUTES UNLESS PRESIDING

04:08OFFICER STATES. OTHERWISE, YOUR

04:09MICROPHONE WILL BE MUTED. WHEN

04:10YOUR TIME IS OVER, THE

04:12PRESIDING OFFICER PRESERVES

04:13ORDER DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT SUCH

04:14AS SHOUTING, REFUSING TO

04:15CONCLUDE YOUR TESTIMONY WHEN

04:16YOUR TIME IS UP, OR

04:18INTERRUPTING OTHERS TESTIMONY

04:19OR COUNCIL DELIBERATIONS WILL

04:20NOT BE ALLOWED. IF YOU CAUSE A

04:22DISRUPTION, A WARNING WILL BE

04:23GIVEN. FURTHER DISRUPTION WILL

04:24RESULT IN AN EJECTION FROM THE

04:26MEETING. ANYONE WHO FAILS TO

04:27LEAVE ONCE EJECTED IS SUBJECT

04:28TO ARREST FOR TRESPASS.

04:30ADDITIONALLY, COUNCIL MAY TAKE

04:30A SHORT RECESS AND RECONVENE

04:32VIRTUALLY. YOUR TESTIMONY

04:34SHOULD ADDRESS THE MATTER BEING

04:35CONSIDERED WHEN TESTIFYING,

04:36STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

04:37YOUR ADDRESS IS NOT NECESSARY.

04:38IF YOU'RE A LOBBYIST, IDENTIFY

04:39THE ORGANIZATION YOU REPRESENT.

04:41VIRTUAL TESTIFIERS SHOULD

04:42UNMUTE THEMSELVES WHEN THE

04:42COUNCIL CLERK CALLS YOUR NAME.

04:44THANK YOU.

04:44>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,

04:45COLLEAGUES. BEFORE WE GET

04:46STARTED, COUNSELOR RYAN, I SEE

04:47YOUR HAND IN THE QUEUE.

04:51>> THANK YOU. HEY, COLLEAGUES,

04:53I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THAT'S

04:56AN INTERESTING BACKGROUND. I

04:57JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'M ON

04:58FAMILY BEREAVEMENT LEAVE, AND

05:00I'LL BE LIMITING MY PUBLIC

05:03SCHEDULE THIS WEEK. THIS

05:05MEETING IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND

05:07THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT, BUT THIS

05:08ONE'S BEEN ON OUR DOCKET FOR

05:10SOME TIME. AND I'LL BE

05:12LISTENING OFF CAMERA. I MIGHT

05:14JUMP ON WHEN WE'RE ON

05:16DISCUSSING AMENDMENTS,

05:17ESPECIALLY ON AVIATION FUEL.

05:20AND I ALSO JUST WANT TO SAY, I

05:22REALLY THANK YOU FOR RESPECTING

05:24MY PRIVACY AT THIS TIME. AND A

05:26SPECIAL THANKS TO THOSE OF YOU

05:28WHO HAVE SENT ME PRIVATE NOTES,

05:30AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

05:31THANK YOU.

05:32>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR RYAN.

05:35OKAY, KEELAN, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS

05:36ON OUR AGENDA. CAN WE PLEASE

05:38CALL ITEMS NINE AND TEN.

05:40>> ITEM NINE, DOCUMENT 2026-311.

05:44ADOPT THE CRITICAL ENERGY

05:46INFRASTRUCTURE HUB POLICY

05:47PROJECT TO SUPPORT PUBLIC

05:48HEALTH AND NATURAL HAZARDS RISK

05:51REDUCTION. AMEND CODE TITLES 33

05:52AND 24. ITEM TEN DOCUMENT

05:572026-312 ADD BULK FUEL TERMINAL

05:59CAPACITY REDUCTION REGULATIONS

06:01CODE TO REDUCE CRITICAL ENERGY

06:03INFRASTRUCTURE HUB FUEL STORAGE

06:05BY 2036 IN SUPPORT OF HAZARD

06:07MITIGATION, ADD CODE. CHAPTER

06:1017.112.

06:11>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,

06:11COLLEAGUES. THIS IS A CONTINUED

06:13COUNCIL MEETING FOR ITEM NUMBER

06:152026 311. THE ORDINANCE FOR THE

06:18RECOMMENDED DRAFT OF THE CEI

06:19HUB POLICY PROJECT AND FOR ITEM

06:212026 312. THE ORDINANCE FOR THE

06:24BULK FUEL TERMINAL CAPACITY

06:26REDUCTION REGULATIONS. THE

06:28LEGISLATIVE RECORD FOR THESE

06:29ORDINANCES IS NOW CLOSED BASED

06:31ON COUNCIL. BASED ON COUNCIL

06:33DELIBERATIONS ON POSSIBLE

06:34AMENDMENTS, COUNCIL MAY DECIDE

06:36TO REOPEN THE RECORD FOR ORAL

06:37OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY AT A

06:39FUTURE MEETING. THE PURPOSE OF

06:40TODAY'S MEETING IS TO DISCUSS

06:41PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO BOTH

06:43ORDINANCES. FOR THE PURPOSES OF

06:44STRUCTURING THE DISCUSSION,

06:45COLLEAGUES, I'D LIKE TO START

06:46WITH DOCUMENT 2026 311, THE

06:49ORDINANCE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE

06:50PLAN POLICY AMENDMENTS AND THE

06:52TITLE 33 ZONING CODE AND TITLE

06:5524 BUILDING CODE AMENDMENTS. WE

06:57WILL ONLY CONSIDER THIS ITEM

06:58TODAY AND RETURN NEXT WEEK FOR

06:59THE OTHER TO HELP US KNOW WHAT

07:02WE'RE DOING. PLANNING AND

07:03SUSTAINABILITY STAFF HAVE

07:04PREPARED A SLIDE DECK AND A

07:05BRIEF PRESENTATION SUMMARIZING

07:06THE AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN

07:08PROPOSED. WE HAVE WITH US STAFF

07:09FROM PLANNING SUSTAINABILITY.

07:11COME ON UP. DIRECTOR ERIC

07:13ENGSTROM, SUPERVISING PLANNER

07:16TOM ARMSTRONG AND PATRICIA

07:17DIEFENDERFER, CHIEF PLANNER

07:18FROM BTS.

07:23>> GOOD AFTERNOON. FOR THE

07:25RECORD, ERIC ENGSTROM, DIRECTOR

07:27OF BTS, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER

07:29TO STAFF.

07:31>> GOOD AFTERNOON. PATRICIA

07:32DIEFENDERFER, CHIEF PLANNER.

07:34>> GOOD AFTERNOON. TOM

07:35ARMSTRONG, SUPERVISING PLANNER

07:37AT BTS.

07:39>> THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND YOU

07:41ALL HAVE A LITTLE SHOW US AND

07:43HELP US. HELP US ALL GET CAUGHT

07:45UP TO WHAT IT IS WE'RE TALKING

07:46ABOUT TODAY.

07:47>> YEAH. THERE WE GO.

08:28>> ALL RIGHT, THERE WE GO. OKAY.

08:34I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WANT TO

08:36RUN THIS MEETING, BUT SO AS WAS

08:39READ OUT, THERE ARE TWO

08:41ORDINANCES BEFORE YOU. WE HAVE

08:44THE LEGISLATIVE RECORD FOR BOTH

08:46ORDINANCES. AND AS THE COUNCIL

08:49PRESIDENT SAID, THE RECORD IS

08:50NOW CLOSED FOR THE TIME BEING,

08:55STARTING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE

08:57PLAN AMENDMENTS. MAINLY, THESE

09:01AMENDMENTS TO THE POLICY

09:03LANGUAGE ARE IN THE GREEN

09:06PIRTLE-GUINEY KANAL CLARK

09:08KOYAMA LANE TWO THAT WERE

09:12POSTED TODAY, AND WE HAVE

09:15SLIDES THAT CAN GO THROUGH EACH

09:16OF THESE. HOWEVER YOU LIKE TO

09:19HANDLE THE DISCUSSION ON, ON

09:21THIS PORTION OF OF THE GREEN

09:25TWO AMENDMENTS.

09:26>> AWESOME. THANKS, TOM. I

09:27WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU COULD

09:29SUMMARIZE THE COMPREHENSIVE

09:29PLAN AND THE TITLE 33

09:31AMENDMENTS. JUST SO WE'RE ALL

09:32CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING

09:33ABOUT HERE.

09:34>> YEAH. SO THE COMPREHENSIVE

09:36PLAN POLICY AMENDMENTS WE MAKE,

09:38THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS

09:40RECOMMENDED TWO CHANGES TO THE

09:43EXISTING POLICIES, AND THEN A A

09:48NEW POLICY POLICY. 383 THAT IS

09:51SPECIFIC TO THE SCI HUB, AND

09:53THAT POLICY HAS A NUMBER OF SUB

09:56POLICIES THAT ADDRESS THE WIDE

09:57RANGE OF ISSUES, FROM SEISMIC

10:00UPGRADES TO ECONOMIC

10:01SIGNIFICANCE TO ENVIRONMENTAL

10:04PROTECTION AS A RESULT OF THE

10:05PUBLIC HEARING AND BACK AND

10:08FORTH, THERE'S BEEN PROPOSED

10:11CHANGES TO SOME OF THOSE

10:13POLICIES. NOT ALL OF THOSE

10:14POLICIES, WORDSMITHING OF THOSE

10:17POLICY DOCUMENTS AND AND

10:19INCLUDING ONE NEW SUB POLICY

10:22AROUND RISK REDUCTION.

10:26>> THANK YOU. IS THIS A DO YOU

10:31GO FURTHER INTO IT PAST THIS

10:33POINT?

10:34>> YEAH. SO THE THE FIRST

10:37POLICY IS TO ACTUALLY INCLUDE

10:41SOME INTRODUCTORY LANGUAGE THAT

10:43REALLY PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT

10:44MORE CONTEXT IN, IN WHERE THE

10:48POLICIES APPEAR IN THE

10:50COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AROUND THE

10:51SCI HUB. AND WE HAVE. YOU KNOW,

10:56THIS LANGUAGE REALLY EXPLAINS

11:00WHY THE SCI HUB IS SO IMPORTANT,

11:02BOTH IN TERMS OF SUPPLYING THE

11:04STATE'S LIQUID FUEL, BUT AS

11:06WELL AS THE RISKS THAT IT FACES.

11:10AND THE NEED FOR SORT OF

11:12CONTINUED COLLABORATION TO

11:14ADDRESS THE EMERGENCY

11:16PREPAREDNESS ISSUES. THEN AGAIN,

11:21FOR POLICY 372, THIS IS ONE OF

11:23THE EXISTING POLICIES. YOU KNOW,

11:27THE WHAT YOU SEE HERE AT THE

11:28END IN BLUE IS THE ADDED

11:32LANGUAGE THAT REALLY BRINGS IN

11:34THAT THAT IMPORTANCE OF SAFETY

11:36AND RESILIENCE, THAT THAT SORT

11:40OF THAT, THAT WHAT WE'RE

11:41>> TRYING TO DO HERE. THE

11:42BALANCING OF THE ECONOMIC

11:44SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HUB AND THE

11:46AREA AS AS WELL AS THE THE

11:50RISKS THAT IT FACES. THEN IN

11:54TERMS OF THE SUB POLICIES,

11:55AGAIN, THERE'S SOME

11:57WORDSMITHING HERE. POLICY 383 B

11:59HAS BEEN EXPANDED TO

12:01ACKNOWLEDGE OTHER NATURAL

12:03HAZARDS THAT THE HUB FACES,

12:05SUCH AS FIRES, LANDSLIDES AND

12:08FLOODS. THE ECONOMIC

12:12SIGNIFICANT POLICY AGAIN HAS

12:13HAS SORT OF BROUGHT IN THE

12:16IMPORTANCE OF FINDING

12:19ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS FOR THESE

12:21FACILITIES. AGAIN, THAT'S, YOU

12:24KNOW, ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS

12:25OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF PORTLAND.

12:28THERE'S THERE'S NOT REALLY A

12:29SAFER LOCATION IN PORTLAND FOR

12:31THESE FACILITIES. POLICY 383 D

12:37AGAIN, SORT OF STRENGTHENS THE

12:41VERB, YOU KNOW, A MORE ACTIVE

12:43VERB AROUND PROTECT AIR AND

12:44WATER QUALITY. AND THAT

12:48BRINGING IN ESPECIALLY

12:50ACKNOWLEDGING THE ROLE THAT

12:52TRIBAL NATIONS CAN PLAY IN, YOU

12:56KNOW, HELPING TO PROTECT THE

12:58AIR AND WATER QUALITY RESOURCES

12:59AND PROMPTING TO FOR

13:02COORDINATED PLANNING. SIMILAR

13:06CHANGE TO THE ENERGY TRANSITION

13:09POLICY. AGAIN, BRINGING IN

13:12TRIBAL NATIONS INTO THAT MIX OF

13:14LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL

13:16JURISDICTIONS, AS WELL AS A

13:18CHANGE IN REFERENCE FROM A LOW

13:21CARBON ECONOMY TO A

13:23DECARBONIZED ECONOMY. AGAIN,

13:24SORT OF REFLECTING THE THE

13:28LARGER CLIMATE GOALS WHEN IT

13:31COMES TO THE ENERGY TRANSITION.

13:36COMMUNITY RESILIENCE. AGAIN,

13:38THIS REALLY SPEAKS SORT OF

13:41BEYOND ZONING CODE AND

13:42DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, BUT TO

13:44REALLY THE IMPORTANCE OF THE

13:45NEED FOR FUNDING TO FOR FURTHER

13:49RISK MITIGATION OF, OF THE, THE

13:54DANGERS POSED BY THE NATURAL

13:58HAZARDS IN THIS AREA. AND THEN

14:02AND ALONG A SIMILAR, SIMILAR

14:04LINE, THERE'S A NEW POLICY

14:06AROUND RISK REDUCTION. AND, AND

14:09AGAIN, A PROMPT TO IDENTIFY

14:12MORE STRATEGIES TO, TO MITIGATE

14:14THE RISK TO THE COMMUNITY AND

14:16THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE

14:18ECONOMIC HEALTH THAT THAT COMES

14:21FROM CONCENTRATING ALL OF THESE

14:24FACILITIES AT THE SCI HUB. THAT

14:27IS THE SUITE OF POLICY CHANGES

14:31IN WHAT I'LL CALL GREEN TWO.

14:33>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'D

14:34LIKE TO TURN TO COUNCILORS

14:36GREEN PIRTLE-GUINEY, KANAL

14:37CLARK AND OR KOYAMA LANE TO SEE

14:39IF THERE'S FURTHER CONVERSATION

14:40ABOUT THIS, OR TO MOVE INTO A

14:42FORMAL MOTION. YEAH. COUNCILOR

14:45GREEN.

14:45>> I'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT IN.

14:46THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL

14:47PRESIDENT. AND THANK YOU, TOM,

14:48FOR SUMMARIZING. AND AGAIN, I

14:50CANNOT FOR ANYONE WATCHING THIS,

14:52I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH HOW

14:54RESPONSIVE BTS HAS BEEN TO US

14:56DURING THIS PROCESS. WE'VE

14:57LEARNED. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY.

15:00THREE ITERATIONS AT LEAST. AND

15:02YOU ALL HAVE OTHER PLANNED WORK

15:04AND IT JUST IT'S A IT'S A

15:06TESTAMENT TO YOUR COMMITMENT TO

15:08THIS STYLE OF POLICY MAKING

15:10THAT IS RESPONSIVE TO THE

15:12COMMUNITY. AND, AND THEY AND

15:13THEY HEAR IT AND THEY FEEL IT.

15:15SO THANK YOU. JUST BROADLY, YOU

15:17KNOW, WE'VE ORGANIZED THIS AS

15:20AS ONE BIG AMENDMENT AND WHAT

15:22WE'VE SEEN ON THE SCREEN SO FAR,

15:24THE EIGHT DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS,

15:26SOME AMENDMENTS THAT ARE

15:28SPEAKING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE

15:29PLAN. SO DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST

15:31TO TALK ABOUT THE COMP PLAN

15:33PART FIRST, OR DO YOU WANT ME

15:35TO JUST TALK ABOUT THE GLOBAL

15:36SUITE OF THINGS.

15:37>> AND TALK ABOUT THE GLOBAL

15:38SUITE OF THINGS?

15:39>> THAT'S FINE. OKAY. SO JUST

15:40JUST TO SET THE STAGE HERE,

15:42COLLEAGUES. YOU KNOW,

15:45DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS IN A

15:47CUMULATIVE FASHION AND IT'S

15:49HISTORICALLY SITUATED. I STUDY

15:50THIS IN MY DISSERTATION. AND

15:52YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU SEE FOR THE

15:54CITY OF PORTLAND IS DEVELOPMENT

15:56OCCURS ALONG THE RIVER. IT

15:59RECURS. IT OCCURS WITH

16:00RAILROADS AND UTILITIES. AND

16:02ALL OF THE INVESTMENT THAT THAT

16:04ENGENDERS CREATES JOBS. IT

16:05CREATES GROWTH AND ALL THAT.

16:06BUT IT CREATES ALSO IMPACTS TO

16:09COMMUNITIES. AND I THINK ONE OF

16:11THE TAKEAWAYS FROM DOING THAT

16:12WORK IS, IS RECOGNIZING THAT

16:13WHILE DEVELOPMENT IS CUMULATIVE,

16:15IT'S IT'S NOT INEVITABLE WHERE

16:17IT GOES AND HOW YOU STEER THAT

16:19AND HOW YOU CHANGE THAT DEPENDS

16:22UPON HOW MUNICIPALITIES AND

16:24GOVERNMENTS STRUCTURE THEIR

16:26REGULATORY APPARATUS AND, AND

16:28HOW YOU ENGAGE IN POLITICS. AND

16:31SO THIS IS A THIS IS AN AREA

16:33I'VE BEEN WATCHING FROM THE

16:34OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, NOT AS A

16:36PERSON WHO LIVED ADJACENT TO

16:38THE SCI HUB, BUT BUT SEEING

16:40THAT IT WAS A BIG POINT OF

16:41ENERGY IN THE CITY OF PORTLAND

16:44AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY

16:46ADVOCATES TAKE A DEEP INTEREST

16:48AND BECOME LAND USE EXPERTS AND

16:49SORT OF TRY TO FIND CHAMPIONS

16:53TO TAKE THIS WORK UP. AND THEN

16:54SEEING IN THIS POST CHARTER

16:56REFORM WORLD WHERE COUNCILORS

16:59AND STAFF ARE, ARE IN COMMUNITY

17:02CONVERSATION WITH THEM. AND I

17:03THINK THAT'S A REALLY BEAUTIFUL

17:04THING. AND SO I THINK WHAT I

17:07WHAT WE HAVE HERE, WHAT WE'RE

17:08MOVING, WHAT WE'LL GET INTO THE

17:09DETAILS HERE IN A SECOND ON IS,

17:11IS A COLLECTIVE EFFORT BY A

17:13RANGE OF COUNCILORS WHO

17:16RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE NOT

17:17SOLVING ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH

17:18THE HUB IN THIS ONE ACTION, BUT

17:20WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO

17:22SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE BOTH THE

17:24SAFETY AT THE HUB, AS WELL AS

17:26OUR COMMITMENT TO ENVIRONMENTAL

17:28SORT OF CLIMATE GOALS. WHILE

17:32MODELING HOW YOU DO COMMUNITY

17:33DRIVEN POLICY MAKING. AND SO

17:36THERE MIGHT BE SOME PIECES THAT

17:37ARE MISSED, THERE MIGHT BE SOME

17:39DIFFERENCES OF OPINION, BUT

17:40THIS IS HOW LEGISLATIVE STUFF

17:42WORKS. WE TRY TO FIND

17:43COMPROMISE TO MOVE THE NEEDLE

17:44FORWARD TOGETHER. AND SO I'M

17:45PROUD OF THE WORK. BUT BROADLY,

17:47I WOULD SAY THAT I AM FORMALLY

17:50GOING TO MOVE THIS, WHICH ALSO

17:54CONTAINS A NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS

17:55FOR THE TITLE 33 ZONING CODE AS

17:58WELL. AND SO DO WE WANT TO THEN

18:01JUMP INTO THAT OR. OKAY.

18:03>> I SECOND.

18:04>> COUNCILOR GREEN MOVES.

18:05COUNCILOR VICE PRESIDENT, CLERK,

18:06SECONDS COLLEAGUES, WE ARE NOW

18:09IN DISCUSSION OF THE AMENDMENT.

18:10AND COUNCILOR GREEN, YOU STILL

18:11HAVE THE FLOOR.

18:12>> YEAH. DO YOU HAVE SLIDES FOR

18:14THE TITLE 33 STUFF? MAYBE

18:15THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT

18:17SO EVERYONE CAN SEE VISUALLY.

18:20TOM, DO YOU MIND DOING THE.

18:23SURE. THANKS.

18:24>> SO AMENDMENT NINE IN THE

18:28DOCUMENT, THERE ARE SOME

18:29CHANGES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD

18:31CONTACT REQUIREMENTS. AND YOU

18:34KNOW, THIS IS DESIGNED TO HAVE

18:38ADVANCE NOTICE TO THE

18:39SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS OF A

18:42INCOMING DEVELOPMENT

18:44APPLICATION. AND SO THESE

18:47AMENDMENTS EXPAND THE NUMBER OF

18:50NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND

18:52EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS THAT

18:55WILL GET THOSE NOTICES. IT ALSO

18:59REQUIRES A AN AD TO BE

19:03PUBLISHED IN A NEWSPAPER THAT

19:05IS BROADLY DISTRIBUTED IN THE

19:07NEIGHBORHOODS THAT RECEIVE THAT

19:08NOTICE. AND GENERALLY THIS

19:12REQUIREMENT IS, IS JUST TO

19:13CREATE AWARENESS OF A

19:15DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY. AND AND

19:20THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL

19:24TYPES OF ACTIVITY THAT WE'RE

19:26EXPECTING TO OCCUR OUT AT THESE

19:28HUBS AS PART OF THE

19:30IMPLEMENTATION OF THEIR STATE

19:32REQUIRED SEISMIC STABILITY

19:34PROGRAMS, THE RISK MITIGATION

19:38IMPLEMENTATION PLANS THAT ARE

19:40EXPECTED TO OCCUR OVER THE NEXT

19:42TEN OR SO YEARS. AND THIS

19:45COVERS WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING

19:46NEW STRUCTURES OR STORAGE TANKS

19:49TO TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ONES,

19:52OR THE DEMOLITION OF AN

19:54EXISTING ONE, OR AN ALTERATION

19:56TO THE TRANSLOADING FACILITY.

20:00IN ADDITION TO THAT, THIS IS

20:03ALSO EXPANDED TO. THE

20:08NEIGHBORHOOD CONTACT

20:10REQUIREMENT. IN CASES WHERE A

20:13TERMINAL IS COMING THROUGH, ONE

20:15OF THE TYPE THREE REVIEWS. AND

20:19SO WHAT IT REQUIRES IS THAT

20:22BEFORE A TERMINAL APPLIES FOR

20:24ONE OF THOSE REVIEWS, THEY HAVE

20:26TO HAVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD

20:27CONTACT REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS

20:29SENDING A LETTER NOTIFYING THE

20:31SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS,

20:33HOLDING A MEETING TO TALK ABOUT

20:34WHAT THE PROPOSAL WILL BE. AND

20:37THEN WHEN THAT WHEN THEY

20:39ACTUALLY MAKE THE FORMAL

20:41APPLICATION TO PERMITTING AND

20:44DEVELOPMENT AS PART OF THE

20:45CHECKLIST OF APPLICATION

20:47MATERIALS, THEY HAVE TO SHOW

20:48THAT THEY'VE SATISFIED THE

20:50REQUIREMENTS OF THIS

20:51NEIGHBORHOOD REQUIREMENT,

20:52CONTACT REQUIREMENT. THE SECOND

20:56AMENDMENT AMENDMENT TEN IS

21:00ADDRESSES THOSE TYPE THREE

21:02REVIEWS AND CURRENTLY IN THE

21:04THE RECOMMENDED CODE PACKAGE.

21:06THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT

21:09REVIEWS, ONE FOR NEW

21:12TRANSLOADING FACILITIES, ONE

21:13FOR TRANSFERRING CAPACITY

21:15BETWEEN TERMINALS AND ONE FOR

21:18THE AVIATION FUEL STORAGE

21:20EXPANSION REVIEW. UNDER THIS

21:23AMENDMENT, THOSE THREE REVIEWS

21:25ARE DELETED AND REPLACED BY TWO

21:30REVIEWS. THE FIRST IS A STORAGE

21:33TANK REPLACEMENT REVIEW, AND

21:35THEN THE SECOND ONE IS A

21:39CAPACITY AND AND TRANSLOADING

21:40EXPANSION REVIEW. SO THE

21:44REPLACEMENT REVIEW AGAIN SORT

21:46OF KICKS IN WHEN A TERMINAL IS

21:49GOING THROUGH IS IS

21:50IMPLEMENTING THEIR STATE

21:53REQUIRED RMIP PROCESS. SO

21:54THEY'RE MAKING SEISMIC UPGRADES

21:57AND THEY DECIDE THAT THEY'RE

21:59GOING TO REPLACE A TANK BEFORE

22:02THEY CAN GET A BUILDING PERMIT

22:03FOR THAT TANK REPLACEMENT. THEY

22:05NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS TYPE

22:07THREE PROCESS. AND, AND THE

22:11APPROVAL CRITERIA IS SUCH THAT,

22:15YOU KNOW, IMPORTANTLY, THAT THE

22:18REPLACEMENT TANK OR TANKS, THE

22:21TOTAL CAPACITY IS NOT MORE THAN

22:23WHAT THEY ARE REPLACING. THE

22:26REPLACEMENT TANK IS BUILT TO

22:29RISK CATEGORY FOUR. AND THAT,

22:32YOU KNOW, THEY SHOW THAT

22:34THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH

22:35THEIR DEQ RISK MITIGATION

22:37IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, THAT THE

22:42LOCATION OF THE REPLACEMENT

22:43TANK OR TANKS ARE HAVE HAVE

22:47EITHER THE SAME OR LOWER

22:49SEISMIC RISKS ASSOCIATED. SO

22:52SOMETIMES THEY'RE REPLACING IT

22:53IN THE SAME PLACE. SOMETIMES

22:55THEY'RE MOVING IT. WE WANT THEM

22:57TO MOVE IT ESSENTIALLY AWAY

22:58FROM THE RIVER TO A PLACE THAT

23:04IN THEORY HAS LOWER

23:06LIQUEFACTION RISKS AND THAT

23:09THEY REPLACE. THEY POST A

23:12PERFORMANCE BOND AGAIN, THAT

23:17ONCE THEY'RE DONE WITH THE

23:19REPLACEMENT, THAT WE ENSURE

23:20THAT THE OLD TANK IS DEMOLISHED.

23:23SO IN SOME CASES, THEY'RE GOING

23:25TO BUILD A NEW TANK IN A NEW

23:28LOCATION. THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP

23:28THE OLD TANK ONLINE AND SERVING

23:33FUEL THAT WE NEED. AND THEN

23:35WHEN THAT NEW TANK IS READY TO

23:37COME ONLINE, THEY'LL TAKE THE

23:39OLD TANK OFF. THIS PERFORMANCE

23:41BOND ENSURES THAT THEY TAKE

23:42THAT OLD TANK OFF AND THEY AND

23:46REMOVE IT. SO THAT'S AMENDMENT

23:49TEN OR THAT'S THE REPLACEMENT

23:54REVIEW PROCESS. THE SECOND

23:58REVIEW IS IS FOR EXPANSIONS.

24:00AND THIS IS FOR BOTH TANK

24:01CAPACITY AND TRANSLOADING

24:04FACILITIES AND INCLUDES THE

24:08AVIATION FUEL. AGAIN IT'S A

24:10TYPE THREE REVIEW PROCEDURE.

24:14WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TAKEN

24:17ESSENTIALLY THE THE

24:18TRANSLOADING THE TRANSFER AND

24:20THE AVIATION FUEL EXPANSION

24:23CRITERIA AND COLLAPSED IT INTO

24:25ONE SET OF CRITERIA, WHICH IS

24:26WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC

24:28TESTIMONY. TO GO THROUGH THIS

24:33PROCESS, YOU KNOW, A TERMINAL

24:36IS GOING TO HAVE TO SHOW A NEED

24:38FOR THE EXPANDED CAPACITY THAT

24:41THAT THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE

24:44LOCATION THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE

24:46THAT EXPANDED CAPACITY. THERE

24:49HAS TO BE NET PUBLIC BENEFITS,

24:52INCLUDING NON-ECONOMIC BENEFITS.

24:54THAT'S IN CRITERIA B AND

24:56CRITERIA C, THAT THE EXPANSION

25:01WILL NOT RESULT IN AN INCREASE

25:04IN THE TOTAL CAPACITY OF THE

25:06HUB, EXCEPT FOR THE 5%

25:11ALLOWANCE FOR AVIATION FUEL.

25:14AND SO ESSENTIALLY THAT THIS

25:18OPERATES AS A AS AS THE THE

25:21TRANSFER BETWEEN TERMINALS. SO

25:23AS THE TERMINALS CHANGE. THEY

25:27CAN GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO

25:29MOVE THAT CAPACITY BETWEEN

25:31SITES. YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S HOW

25:36THEY WOULD SHOW THAT THEY MEET

25:38CRITERIA. C D AGAIN IS, YOU

25:42KNOW, SHOW US THAT YOU ARE, YOU

25:45KNOW, UP TO DATE AND, AND

25:48COMPLIANT WITH YOUR RMI P FROM

25:52DICK CRITERIA. E IS, YOU KNOW,

25:57AGAIN, THAT ANY NEW TANK

25:58CAPACITY IS BUILT TO RISK

26:00CATEGORY FOUR CRITERION F IS

26:04SAME FOR THE TRANSLOADING

26:06FACILITIES ARE BUILT TO THAT

26:08HIGHER SEISMIC STANDARD.

26:12CRITERION G IS AGAIN ANY NEW

26:16TANK EXPANDED TANK HAS TO BE

26:19SET BACK AT LEAST 250FT FROM

26:21THE RIVER, AND THEN H IS AGAIN,

26:27THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING PUBLIC

26:29HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL RISKS

26:31AND MINIMIZING ANY INCREASE TO

26:34THE EXTENT PRACTICABLE. I AGAIN

26:39SIMILARLY ADDRESSES PUBLIC

26:41HEALTH AND SAFETY, ESPECIALLY

26:43FROM A WILDFIRE. ASSOCIATED

26:47WITH THAT NEW TANK. AND THEN

26:50FINALLY, J IS THAT, YOU KNOW,

26:53YOU HAVE A BALANCING TEST,

26:55ESSENTIALLY THAT SAYS THE

26:58EXPANDED CAPACITY, ANY NEED FOR

27:03THAT CAPACITY OUTWEIGHS THE THE

27:05ADDED RISKS TO THE LOCAL

27:07COMMUNITY AND ENVIRONMENT.

27:09>> I'M JUST GOING TO PAUSE

27:11THERE FOR A SECOND AND JUST AN

27:13EMPHASIS ON APPROVAL CRITERIA.

27:15A HERE AND JUST FOR FOLKS WHO

27:17ARE NOT PART OF THE

27:19CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH

27:20THESE ADVOCATES AND THE AND THE

27:22CITY STAFF IS THAT'S AN AREA

27:23WHERE WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME

27:25GETTING THE LANGUAGE RIGHT. AND

27:28WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT

27:30BECAUSE THIS IS A PERMITTING

27:32PROCESS, THAT WHEN WE ARE

27:33TALKING ABOUT DEMONSTRATING THE

27:35NEED, THAT THERE IS LANGUAGE

27:36THAT SAYS, THIS IS A CURRENT

27:38NEEDS ANALYSIS, THAT IS

27:39DOCUMENTING THAT NEED, THAT

27:40THAT REALLY DOES DEMONSTRATE

27:41THAT THERE, THERE IS THAT NEED

27:43AND THAT THERE'S NO SUITABLE

27:45OTHER LOCATION FOR IT. AND SO I

27:46THINK I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT.

27:48THAT'S A PRETTY BINDING

27:51CONSTRAINT THAT I THINK THE

27:53CITY OF PORTLAND WILL, WILL

27:54HOLD ITSELF TO, OR I THINK

27:56THAT'S WHAT WE WE STRIVE

27:57TOWARDS. AND THAT'S WHY THE

27:59REST OF IT SORT OF FOLLOWS

28:00AFTER THAT. AND THAT'S. WOULD

28:02YOU AGREE WITH THAT

28:03CHARACTERIZATION, TOM?

28:04>> YES.

28:05>> YEAH. THANK YOU.

28:09>> THEN JUST 11 YOU KNOW, THIS

28:14REALLY SPEAKS AGAIN, TO SOME OF

28:15THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY THAT WE

28:17HEARD. THIS GOES INTO THE

28:19ORDINANCE ITSELF, AND IT'S JUST

28:23A DIRECTIVE TO THE CITY

28:25ADMINISTRATION TO BRING BACK A

28:26WORK PROGRAM TO FIGURE OUT HOW

28:29WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT THE

28:31STORAGE OF NON-FUEL HAZARDOUS

28:34MATERIALS. SO RIGHT NOW, THESE

28:36LIMITS COVER ABOUT 80% OF THE

28:38STORAGE CAPACITY IN THE HUB

28:40ITSELF. BUT WE HAVE OTHER

28:43MATERIALS LIKE ASPHALT THAT

28:44MAKE UP THE OTHER 20% OF

28:49STORAGE THAT'S OUT THERE.

28:51>> THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANT

28:53TO HOP IN AGAIN TO CLARIFY ON

28:54THAT, THAT THERE WAS A STRONG

28:57DESIRE TO DEFINE FUEL MORE

28:59BEYOND FUEL, INSIDE OF THE

29:02LANGUAGE ITSELF. AND WHAT WE

29:04WERE ADVISED ON WAS THAT DOING

29:09SO WOULD INVITE THE POTENTIAL

29:11TO SORT OF SLOW THE PROCESS

29:12DOWN AND NEED TO ADD MORE

29:14EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD. AND WE

29:17DECIDED IF WE PUT A DIRECTIVE

29:19WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS

29:20STRONGER THAN A RESOLUTION,

29:21IT'S IT'S A COUNCIL DIRECTIVE,

29:23THE CITY MUST ACT. IF WE ADOPT

29:24THIS DIRECTIVE, THEN THE CITY

29:25NOW HAS A HAS A MANDATE TO GO

29:28OUT AND ENGAGE IN THAT

29:29DEFINITION PROCESS. THEN WE

29:32AVOID THAT DELAY AND WE COME

29:34BACK AND MEET THE THE GOAL OF

29:36THAT EXPANDED DEFINITION. SO WE

29:38CAN ADOPT THAT AT A LATER TIME.

29:42AND THAT'S SO SO I THINK THAT

29:44THERE'S PROBABLY SOME OPEN

29:45QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S FEASIBLE

29:46FROM STAFF ON A GIVEN TIMELINE.

29:49BUT IRRESPECTIVE OF TIMELINE,

29:51DO YOU THINK THAT THIS

29:52DIRECTIVE WOULD PROVIDE ENOUGH

29:53ROOM FOR BTS TO DO THE WORK

29:54THAT IS NEEDED TO BE RESPONSIVE

29:56TO COMMUNITY AND MAINTAIN

29:59COMPLIANCE?

30:00>> I GUESS I CAN SPEAK TO THAT

30:02AGAIN. DIRECTOR ENGSTROM YEAH,

30:05I THINK WE CAN RESPOND GIVEN

30:06THE LANGUAGE CHANGES YOU MADE,

30:08THAT THAT'S A REASONABLE

30:09TIMELINE FOR A WORK PROGRAM

30:10PROPOSAL.

30:12>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

30:16>> OKAY.

30:17>> THAT'S IT FOR THE TITLE 33

30:19AMENDMENT. SO PERFECT. THERE'S

30:20A LOT HERE, GUYS. AND THANKS

30:22FOR THE THE FLYOVER. AND I

30:25GUESS I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR

30:26SUPPORT. WE CAN GET INTO DEBATE.

30:28>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GREEN.

30:29THANK YOU, TOM AND TEAM FOR

30:31WALKING US THROUGH THIS. AS I

30:32SAID AT THE VERY BEGINNING, I

30:34WANT TO EXTEND A COURTESY TO

30:35ALL THE CO-SPONSORS OF THIS TO

30:37SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL

30:38COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTER FULL

30:39DISCUSSION. COUNCILOR.

30:40PIRTLE-GUINEY.

30:40>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT,

30:41I WANT TO REITERATE A PLACE

30:43WHERE COUNCIL GREEN STARTED,

30:44WHICH IS THAT WE ARE NOT

30:45SOLVING ALL OF THE CHALLENGES

30:47WITH THE C, E I HUB, BUT WE ARE

30:49ADDRESSING SAFETY. AND THIS IS

30:52A PLACE WHERE WE KNOW THAT

30:53SAFETY BUMPS UP AGAINST THE

30:55ENTIRE REGION'S ECONOMIC

30:57DRIVERS. AND WE WORKED VERY

31:00HARD IN THIS PROPOSAL TO FIGURE

31:02OUT HOW WE FIND THAT PLACE

31:05WHERE WE PUSH ON SAFETY AS MUCH

31:07AS WE CAN WITHOUT COMPROMISING

31:11OUR LAND USE FRAMEWORK THAT WE

31:13WORK WITHIN HERE AND OUR

31:15ECONOMIC NEEDS. AND WHAT YOU

31:17HAVE BEFORE YOU SETS UP, I

31:19BELIEVE, A NUMBER OF NEXT STEPS,

31:21WHILE ALSO TRYING TO FIND THAT

31:23PLACE WHERE WE CAN KEEP OUR

31:25COMMUNITIES AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE

31:28AND ALSO KEEP OUR REGION

31:30HUMMING ALL WITHIN THE THE

31:33BOUNDS OF OUR LAND USE SYSTEM.

31:34SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THE

31:36DISCUSSION, THE QUESTIONS, THE

31:37DEBATE ON THIS, AND WANTED TO

31:40MAKE SURE WE HAD THAT FRAME AS

31:42WE BEGIN. THANK YOU, COUNCIL

31:43PRESIDENT.

31:43>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR

31:44PIRTLE-GUINEY COUNCILOR KANAL.

31:45>> I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR

31:47THE FULL DISCUSSION.

31:48>> OKAY. VICE PRESIDENT CLARK.

31:49>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.

31:51I JUST FIRST OF ALL WANT TO

31:53THANK THE PLANNING COMMISSION,

31:54WHEREVER YOU ARE, FOR ALL OF

31:56THEIR WORK. THANK OUR ALL MY

31:59COLLEAGUES, THANK THE PEOPLE

32:00FROM THE BUREAU, ESPECIALLY TOM,

32:01FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE

32:03PUT INTO THIS. I THINK IT'S A

32:05VERY REASONABLE PACKAGE. I

32:06THINK I THINK THE ADVOCATES FOR

32:07ALWAYS BEING AT THE TABLE AND

32:09PUSHING ON THIS. I REALLY

32:10APPRECIATE IT. IT'S VERY LONG

32:11AWAITED. I THINK WE WAITED

32:13YEARS FOR THIS PACKAGE. I AM

32:16GOING TO MAKE ONE CAVEAT. AND

32:18THEN I DO HAVE A QUESTION,

32:19SINCE I HAVEN'T BEEN AS

32:21INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN ALL THE

32:23NEGOTIATIONS, I HAVE AN EASY

32:24QUESTION, BUT I ALSO WANT TO

32:26JUST SAY THAT WE'RE WE'RE

32:29REALLY PUSHING THE ENVELOPE

32:30HERE AS FAR AS THE STATE GOES.

32:32AND I'M. I'M AFRAID THAT IF WE

32:35GO MUCH FURTHER, THAT THE STATE

32:38WILL BE TEMPTED TO PREEMPT US,

32:41PREEMPT THESE POLICIES JUST AS

32:43A CAUTION, WE SHOULD BE AWARE

32:44OF THAT, THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN

32:46KIND OF FEAR AROUND THE STATE

32:49THAT WE ARE SOMEHOW GOING TO

32:51DISADVANTAGE THE ECONOMY,

32:53DISADVANTAGE OTHER COMMUNITIES

32:54AROUND THE STATE, AND JUST BE

32:55AWARE OF THAT, THAT THERE WILL

32:56PROBABLY BE AN EFFORT IN SALEM

32:59TO PREEMPT SOME OF THE THINGS

33:00THAT WE'RE DOING HERE, BUT I

33:01THINK WE'RE DOING A REALLY GOOD

33:04JOB. I DO HAVE A QUESTION,

33:05THOUGH, ON, LET'S SEE, HOW DO I

33:09DESCRIBE THIS UNDER FUEL

33:12STORAGE TANK AND TRANS LOADING

33:13CAPACITY EXPANSION REVIEW UNDER

33:17G, NEW STORAGE TANK CAPACITY IS

33:19SET BACK AT LEAST 250FT FROM

33:21THE TOP BANK OF THE WILLAMETTE

33:22RIVER. WHY DID WE NOT INCLUDE

33:25ON NON LIQUEFACTION SOILS IN

33:29THERE? IS THAT WAS THAT

33:31DISCUSSED?

33:35>> I WILL SAY THE WHOLE AREA

33:38HAS SOME IS IN THAT HIGH

33:40LIQUEFACTION RISK. BUT WHEN YOU

33:42LOOK AT THE. SOME OF THE DRAFT

33:47SEISMIC VULNERABILITY

33:49ASSESSMENTS THAT THE TERMINALS.

33:50YOU SEE A RANGE OF, I GUESS,

33:54RISK OF DISPLACEMENT. AND THE

33:57FURTHER YOU GET AWAY FROM THE

33:59RIVER, THE. THE LOWER THAT RISK

34:01THE THE LOWER THE AMOUNT OF

34:03DISPLACEMENT BECOMES. SO THINK,

34:06YOU KNOW, 10 TO 12FT OF

34:08DISPLACEMENT CLOSE TO THE RIVER,

34:10DOWN TO LESS THAN A FOOT AWAY

34:12FROM THE RIVER. AND SO WE WERE,

34:15WE WERE LOOKING AT THOSE SORT

34:17OF MAPS AND JUST SAYING, OKAY,

34:20FOR, FOR NEW EXPANDED TANKS,

34:23MOVE IT AWAY FROM THE, THE

34:25RIVER TO A SAFER LOCATION. BUT

34:28THERE IS NO SORT OF NO

34:30LIQUEFACTION HAZARD AREAS IN ON

34:33THESE TERMINALS.

34:33>> NO LINE OF DEMARCATION, JUST

34:35THIS IS YOUR BEST GUESS. IT'S

34:38250FT IS.

34:39>> IT GETS US. IT'S SAFER. IT'S

34:41NOT FOR IT'S NOT SAFEST OR SAFE.

34:44OKAY. IT'S SAFER.

34:46>> OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT THAT

34:47I THINK THAT ANSWERS MY

34:48QUESTION. THANK YOU.

34:49>> OKAY. THANK YOU, VICE

34:50PRESIDENT CLARK COUNCILOR

34:52KOYAMA LANE, ANY OPENING

34:53REMARKS FOR YOU? OKAY, GREAT.

34:55SO, COLLEAGUES, WE ARE NOW IN

34:57DISCUSSION OF THIS AMENDMENT,

34:59WHICH WAS MOVED BY COUNCILOR

35:00GREEN AND SECONDED BY VICE

35:02PRESIDENT CLARK COUNCILOR

35:02NOVICK.

35:04>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SO

35:07I HAVE A QUESTION WHICH MAYBE

35:09IS PARTLY GUIDED BY MY NOT

35:11KNOWING EXACTLY HOW ARDUOUS A

35:14TYPE THREE PROCEDURE IS ON

35:17REPLACING TANKS. IT SEEMS TO ME

35:18THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO

35:20REPLACE A BAD TANK WITH A GOOD

35:21TANK, WE WANT THEM TO DO THAT

35:23AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SO IF

35:25THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE AN OLD

35:26TANK WITH A RISK CATEGORY FOR A

35:28RESILIENT TANK. SO I'M JUST

35:30WONDERING, IS THERE ANY

35:31ARGUMENT FOR AUTHORIZING A

35:34SPEEDED UP PROCEDURE THAT'S

35:35DIFFERENT FROM TITLE THREE? OR

35:36IS TITLE THREE IS SPEEDED UP AS

35:38IT'S REASONABLE TO GO FOR A

35:40TYPE THREE? SORRY.

35:41>> THE THE TYPE THREE PROCESS

35:47IS IS ARDUOUS, RIGHT? SO

35:49THEY'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE

35:52NEIGHBORHOOD CONTACT. THEY'RE

35:52GOING TO APPLY. THEY'LL BE

35:54PUBLIC NOTICE AS PART OF THE

35:56APPLICATION AN OPPORTUNITY FOR

35:58COMMENT. THERE'LL BE A HEARING

36:00BEFORE A HEARINGS. OFFICER.

36:01IT'S APPEALABLE TO COUNCIL. A

36:04LOT OF THESE CRITERIA ARE, YOU

36:06KNOW, EITHER YOU MEET IT OR NOT.

36:09RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK

36:12WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR COLLEAGUES

36:14AT PAD THAT THAT YOU COULD

36:16ACTUALLY HAVE A LOWER TYPE OF

36:19REVIEW PROCESS FOR THIS, A TYPE

36:21TWO THAT STILL INCLUDES PUBLIC

36:24NOTICE AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR

36:25PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT IT WOULDN'T

36:27GO TO THE HEARINGS. OFFICER. AN

36:29APPEAL WOULD NOT COME TO

36:30COUNCIL. IT WOULD GO TO LUBA.

36:33BUT AND THAT WOULD BE A

36:35SLIGHTLY SHORTER PROCESS TO GO

36:37THROUGH TO DO THESE REPLACEMENT

36:40TANKS.

36:41>> I MEAN, GIVEN THAT, I MEAN,

36:43IT SEEMS TO ME AGAIN, THAT IF

36:45THEY REALLY ARE GOING TO

36:46REPLACE AN OLD TANK THAT MIGHT

36:48EXPLODE WITH A NEW ONE, THAT

36:49WON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE

36:51WOULDN'T WANT TO SPEED UP THAT

36:52PROCESS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

36:54AND I'M CURIOUS FOR THE

36:56SPONSORS WHAT THEIR REACTION IS

36:58TO THAT.

37:02>> YEAH, THIS WAS A STRONG

37:04PREFERENCE OF THE COMMUNITY

37:05ADVOCATES WHO IN A WORLD WHERE

37:08THERE'S UNCERTAINTY AROUND

37:10DEMONSTRATING NEED, AND THERE'S

37:12A LOT OF SORT OF HERE'S MY

37:15FORECAST, HERE'S MY METHODOLOGY,

37:18COME WITH A BETTER CHALLENGE.

37:19THAT'S THE SORT OF THAT'S THE

37:22BASELINE. I THINK WHAT THEY

37:25WANTED TO SEE WAS THE MOST

37:26ROBUST PROCESS AS POSSIBLE. SO

37:28THAT WAY I AND I GET YOUR POINT

37:31ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULDN'T

37:32WE WANT TO MAKE IT EASIER TO

37:34TRADE FROM A, A NON-SAFE TANK

37:36TO A SAFER TANK FOR THESE

37:40ADVOCATES TO FEEL MOST

37:41COMFORTABLE WITH A WORLD IN

37:42WHICH YOU CAN EVEN HAVE SOME

37:43EXPANSION IN THE ONGOING

37:44EXISTENCE OF THIS. THIS WAS

37:46WHAT THEY FELT LIKE WAS THEIR

37:47COMPROMISE POSITION. AND, AND I,

37:51AND I WAS WILLING TO SORT OF

37:52FIGHT FOR THAT. AND, YOU KNOW,

37:54I'LL JUST NOTE THAT I THINK

37:56IT'S PROBABLY IN THE BEST

37:57INTEREST OF THE COMPANIES TO,

37:59TO GET THE SAFER TANK ANYWAY.

38:00SO THEY'VE GOT A STRONG, YOU

38:01KNOW, BALANCE SHEET INCENTIVE

38:02ANYWAY.

38:04>> AND I JUST HAVE TO SAY, I, I

38:07DON'T QUITE GET IT BECAUSE IF I

38:10WERE LIVING NEAR THE CIA HUB,

38:13I'D WANT THEM TO REPLACE THE

38:14BAD TANKS WITH GOOD TANKS AS

38:16QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SO GIVEN

38:17THAT THIS REQUIRES THAT THE

38:19TOTAL STORAGE CAPACITY IS NOT

38:21MORE THAN OF THE NEW TANK IS

38:22NOT MORE THAN THE STORAGE

38:24CAPACITY OF THE TANKS BEING

38:25REPLACED, IT REQUIRES THAT IT'S

38:26BUILT TO RISK CATEGORY FOR

38:28SEISMIC RESILIENCE STANDARDS. I

38:30JUST DON'T SEE LOGICALLY WHY WE

38:32WOULDN'T HAVE TO WANT TO HAVE A

38:34SPEEDIER PROCESS FOR THAT.

38:37>> I MEAN, ONE VERY SPECIFIC

38:41REASON CAME UP IN THE DEPTHS OF

38:43THE CONVERSATION WHERE WE WERE

38:44ARGUING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.

38:45IT WAS ABOUT THE DRAWDOWN

38:47CRITERIA. IT WAS ABOUT WHETHER

38:48TANK CAPACITY OR AVERAGE LEVELS

38:50WAS WAS THE RIGHT APPROACH. ONE

38:54OF THE ADVOCATES SAID, THIS IS

38:56LARGELY WHY WE WANT THE TYPE

38:57THREE REVIEW, SO WE CAN HAVE AS

38:59MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE TO

39:00LEARN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ABOUT

39:02THESE TANKS, WHAT IS THEIR

39:03VOLUME AND THE LIKE. AND SO

39:05THIS WAS JUST REALLY IMPORTANT

39:07FOR THESE COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO

39:09KNOW EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEED

39:12TO KNOW ABOUT, ABOUT THE

39:14THREATS THAT THEY FACE.

39:16>> BUT DID YOU ASK THE

39:17COMMUNITY MEMBERS IF THEY

39:20THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD, IF THEY

39:21THOUGHT THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA

39:22TO GET THE BAD TANKS REPLACED

39:24WITH TANKS AS QUICKLY AS

39:25POSSIBLE?

39:25>> I THINK THERE'S A GENERAL

39:27RECOGNITION THAT THAT'S

39:28DESIRABLE, BUT THERE'S A

39:29BALANCE OF RISKS HERE. AND SO

39:30WEIGHING THOSE RISKS, THEY WANT

39:32THE MOST ROBUST PROCESSES

39:34POSSIBLE. AND AND THERE'S NO

39:38SINGLE ONE ONE RISK HERE.

39:41>> BUT WHAT'S THE RISK OF

39:43REPLACING A BAD TANK WITH A

39:44GOOD TANK.

39:45>> THE RISK WAS THAT IF IT'S

39:47NOT A TYPE THREE PROCESS, THEN

39:49WE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY

39:52SHORTCHANGED ON THE ABILITY TO

39:53ENGAGE ON THE DATA DISCOVERY

39:55PROCESS AND THE REVIEW PROCESS.

39:56SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TRUST

39:59ISSUES HERE WITH THESE

40:01COMPANIES. AND IF YOU'VE BEEN

40:02DEALING WITH THE TRUST ISSUE

40:03FOR DECADES, THEN YOU'RE

40:05WILLING TO SORT OF SAY, LOOK,

40:07I'M GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT

40:08LONGER ON THIS REPLACEMENT IF

40:10IT MEANS I'VE GOT THE MOST

40:11PROTECTION I HAVE FROM A

40:13COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT

40:14STANDPOINT. SO I CAN'T OFFER

40:16YOU ANY MORE THAN THAT. BUT

40:17THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT WAS THE

40:19DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD.

40:22>> ANY OTHER SPONSORS? ANY

40:23OTHER COMMENTS?

40:26>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, IF I MAY?

40:27ABSOLUTELY.

40:28>> I'LL NOTE TWO THINGS. THE

40:30FIRST IS THAT WHEN YOU TALK

40:31ABOUT TANK SAFETY, WHETHER

40:32THAT'S REPLACING A BAD TANK

40:33WITH A GOOD TANK OR A LESS

40:36RISKY TANK, OR. SURROUNDING THE

40:41TANK WITH A CATCHMENT AREA,

40:43WHATEVER THE UPGRADE IS THERE,

40:46THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE

40:48MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE OF DEQ

40:50REGULATION AT THE STATE LEVEL

40:53REGARDLESS. SO I THINK WE ARE

40:54GOING TO SEE THE INCENTIVE

40:56THERE FOR COMPANIES TO MAKE

40:58THOSE UPGRADES. NO MATTER WHAT

41:00OUR PROCESS IS, WHETHER IT IS

41:02MORE ROBUST OR LESS ROBUST,

41:04THERE WAS A STRONG DESIRE TO

41:07HAVE CONSISTENCY IN THE PROCESS,

41:10AND WE SOMETIMES, AS POLICY

41:12MAKERS, CAN FURTHER ENGINEER

41:16THINGS TO CREATE PROCESSES THAT

41:18ALLOW FOR ALL OF THE NUANCE

41:20NEEDED IN EACH PIECE OF IT, AND

41:23FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE

41:26TRYING TO ENGAGE IN THAT

41:28PROCESS. THERE ARE SOMETIMES

41:30ADDITIONAL BARRIERS WHEN

41:31THERE'S NOT CONSISTENCY. SO

41:33THERE WAS A MOVE WITH THE

41:35AMENDMENTS GENERALLY, AND I'M

41:37SPEAKING GENERALLY NOT JUST TO

41:39THIS PIECE, TO TRY TO HAVE MORE

41:42CONSISTENCY IN THE PROCESS SO

41:44THAT PORTLANDERS COULD ENGAGE

41:46MORE READILY. THAT, COMBINED

41:49WITH THE FACT THAT BECAUSE WE

41:51ARE PARALLELING IN TIMELINE

41:53HERE, A PROCESS THAT IS GOING

41:56TO REQUIRE SOME UPGRADES, FELT

41:58TO ME LIKE IT MITIGATED THE

42:00RISK THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

42:01I THINK IT'S A VERY REASONABLE

42:03CONCERN TO BRING UP. IT IS

42:04CERTAINLY PART OF WHAT WE NEED

42:06TO WEIGH HERE, BUT THAT THAT

42:08DEQ MANDATE HELPED, FOR ME AT

42:11LEAST, TO TO MAKE ME FEEL LIKE

42:13THE BALANCE WAS CAPTURED

42:15APPROPRIATELY.

42:16>> BUT MY WORRY IS THAT THIS

42:18WILL SLOW DOWN, COMPLYING WITH

42:20THE DEQ MANDATE, THAT THE DEQ

42:22WILL SAY, WE EXPECT YOU TO GET

42:23THIS DONE BY 2038. AND THE

42:25COMPANIES SAY, WELL, WE HAVE TO

42:26GO THROUGH THIS TYPE THREE

42:27REVIEW FIRST. WE'RE NOT GOING

42:29TO GET IT UNTIL 2041. I MEAN,

42:31HOW MUCH TIME DOES A TYPE THREE

42:33VERSUS A TYPE THREE REVIEW ADD?

42:38>> YEAH.

42:40>> SO THE CITY IS STILL UNDER

42:44THE STATE 120 DAY REQUIREMENT

42:48TO ISSUE A DECISION BY THEN. SO

42:53IN THEORY IT'S A FOUR MONTH

42:54PROCESS AT MAXIMUM. IT'S A FOUR

42:56MONTH PROCESS. UNLESS THE

42:59APPLICANT WAVES THAT 120 DAY.

43:02AND THEN IT ALL DEPENDS ON, YOU

43:04KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS, HOW MUCH

43:07ARGUMENT THERE IS AT THE

43:08HEARINGS OFFICER AND WHETHER

43:09SOMEBODY APPEALS THAT TO

43:11COUNCIL.

43:13>> SO I'D ALSO SAY JUST THE

43:14SORRY, FOR THE RECORD, PATRICIA

43:16DIEFENDERFER JUST, YOU KNOW,

43:18EXPENSE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT

43:21APPLICATION, THE FEE AS WELL AS

43:22THE TIME. JUST THROW THAT IN.

43:25>> SO IS FOUR MONTHS THE

43:27MAXIMUM OR IS IT A MINIMUM?

43:29>> IT'S THE MAXIMUM UNLESS

43:32BECAUSE OF THE BACK AND FORTH

43:33THE TERMINALS WAIVE THAT 120

43:36DAY REQUIREMENT.

43:37>> AND AND IF THERE'S AN APPEAL

43:39THEN THAT COULD EXTEND THAT

43:41TIMELINE. RIGHT.

43:42>> NO. THE COUNCIL THE APPEAL

43:44HAS TO BE RESOLVED WITHIN 120

43:46DAYS.

43:48>> OKAY. I MEAN, I JUST. IT

43:54WOULD BE A PITY IF THE

43:55EARTHQUAKE HIT WITHIN IN THE IN

43:57THE COURSE OF THAT 120 DAY

43:58PERIOD, AND THERE WAS A BAD

43:59TANK INSTEAD OF A GOOD TANK

44:01THAT SPILLED A BUNCH OF OIL AS

44:03MY TAKE.

44:04>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR. NOVICK.

44:06COUNCILOR KANAL.

44:08>> THANK YOU. I'M NOT REALLY

44:09SURE WHAT A GOOD TANK IS.

44:12THANKS.

44:13>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR KANAL.

44:14COUNCILOR. KOYAMA LANE.

44:16>> I JUST WANT TO UNDERSCORE

44:17THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CEI HUB IS

44:20AN ISSUE THAT IMPACTS ALL

44:22PORTLANDERS AND ALL FOUR

44:23DISTRICTS, ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS,

44:25AND THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT

44:27THAT WE'RE SHOWING THAT ELECTED

44:29OFFICIALS, THAT WE'RE WILLING

44:30TO GOVERN IN A WAY THAT'S

44:31REALLY GOING TO PROTECT

44:33PORTLANDERS AND THE ENVIRONMENT,

44:35AND JUST ALSO WANT TO

44:36UNDERSCORE THE IMPORTANCE OF

44:37LISTENING TO THE ADVOCATES AND

44:39COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND

44:40SCIENTISTS THAT HAVE BEEN

44:42FOCUSED ON THIS AND WORKING ON

44:44THIS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AND

44:47I AM YEAH, IT'S REALLY

44:48IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE WEIGHING

44:49THE SAFETY, THEIR SAFETY AND

44:51CONCERNS AS WE'RE ALSO WEIGHING

44:54OTHER OTHER THINGS THAT COME UP

44:56TO.

44:57>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR KOYAMA

44:58LANE VICE PRESIDENT CLARK.

45:00>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT,

45:02I JUST WANT TO MAKE SOME

45:03GENERAL REMARKS ABOUT THIS,

45:04BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A

45:05REALLY IMPORTANT MOMENT IN

45:07HISTORY AND THE HISTORY OF

45:09LYNTON AND THE HISTORY OF THE

45:11TANKS, THE HISTORY OF OUR STATE.

45:13I JUST READ SARAH TAYLOR'S BOOK.

45:15I DON'T KNOW IF SARAH IS HERE

45:16TODAY, BUT SHE WROTE A BOOK

45:20THAT INCLUDES SOME OF THE

45:21HISTORY OF THE TANKS AND THE

45:23HISTORY OF LYNTON. AND IT WAS

45:26REALLY BECAUSE OF TANK THAT WAS,

45:28I BELIEVE, IN THIS INSIDE THE

45:29CITY OF PORTLAND, CLOSER TO THE

45:31DOWNTOWN THAT EXPLODED, THAT

45:33ACTUALLY KILLED OUR FIRE CHIEF,

45:35DAVE CAMPBELL, WHICH, YOU KNOW,

45:37THERE'S NOW A MEMORIAL TO

45:39FALLEN FIREFIGHTERS ON BURNSIDE.

45:41THAT'S THE DAVID CAMPBELL

45:42MEMORIAL. I THOUGHT THAT WAS

45:44FASCINATING. AND THAT WAS WHAT

45:45LED TO THE ISSUE OF EMINENT

45:48DOMAIN IN LYNTON AND REALLY

45:51MAKING LYNTON THE SACRIFICE

45:52ZONE FOR THE REST OF THE CITY

45:54AND THE REST OF THE STATE. I

45:56JUST THOUGHT THAT HISTORY WAS

45:58REALLY COMPELLING. AND HERE WE

46:01ARE TODAY. WE CAN'T REVERSE

46:02THAT HISTORY, BUT I THINK WE'RE

46:04DOING THE BEST THAT WE CAN.

46:06IT'S TAKEN THIS LONG TO GET TO

46:07THIS POINT OF TRYING TO DEAL

46:10WITH THE TANKS AND ENHANCE THE

46:12SAFETY FOR EVERYBODY WHO LIVES

46:13IN LYNTON, WHO LIVES IN THE

46:14CITY, WHO LIVES IN THE STATE TO

46:17MITIGATE THE IMPACTS. I JUST

46:18WANTED TO NOTE THAT THAT

46:20HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT HERE AND

46:22WHAT THIS IS REALLY A TURNING

46:23POINT, I HOPE, FOR ALL OF US.

46:26SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO

46:27HAS WORKED ON THIS.

46:29>> THANK YOU. VICE PRESIDENT

46:30CLARK COUNCILOR SMITH.

46:33>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU,

46:36COUNCIL PRESIDENT. THANK YOU

46:37ALL FOR COMING. JUST THINKING

46:39ABOUT THIS, THE BUILDING

46:42RETROFITS, THEY REDUCE PHYSICAL

46:45VULNERABILITY BUT DO NOT FULLY

46:47ELIMINATE THE LIQUIFICATION

46:49RISK. IS THE CITY EXPLORING

46:51LOCAL FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY

46:54OR BONDING MECHANISMS TO SHIELD

46:56TAXPAYERS FROM CLEANUP COSTS?

46:58IF AN EARTHQUAKE STRIKES BEFORE

47:00THE RETROFIT FINISHES?

47:04>> THE STATE IS ADDRESSING THAT.

47:07THERE WAS LEGISLATION THAT

47:09PASSED LAST SPRING, AND THAT

47:13DIC IS CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH

47:15THE RULEMAKING PROCESS, AND

47:17THAT THAT ADDED FINANCIAL

47:21RESPONSIBILITY WILL BE ON THE

47:22TERMINALS IN THE SPRING OF 2027.

47:25>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

47:29>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SMITH.

47:30THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SMITH.

47:31COUNCILOR KANAL.

47:32>> YEAH.

47:33>> NOT TRYING TO BE GLIB ABOUT

47:34IT EARLIER. I THINK I REALLY

47:37WANTED TO TOUCH BACK ON WHAT

47:38COUNCILOR GREEN WAS TALKING

47:39ABOUT WITH TRUST. YOU KNOW, I

47:42THINK THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT

47:44WHICH TYPE OF PUBLIC PROCESS IS

47:47MORE OF A PUBLIC PROCESS. AND

47:52THAT'S THE, I THINK THE, THE

47:54TIME SPENT OR THAT MAY BE SPENT

47:57HAS A TRADE OFF, RIGHT? THE

47:58THAT TIME SPENT MIGHT BE A

48:00NEGATIVE, BUT THE POSITIVE

48:01ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IS, IS A

48:02MORE PUBLIC PROCESS. AND I

48:05THINK ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS

48:07ABOUT OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS

48:08THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT THAT

48:10TRUST BE BUILT THROUGH

48:12PROCESSES THAT THAT WE GOT TO

48:15THESE AMENDMENTS THROUGH BY

48:16ACTUALLY LISTENING TO ADVOCATES

48:17AND AND DOING WHAT THEY WOULD

48:19LIKE. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR TOM.

48:22MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE UP

48:25TO 5% STORAGE TANK CAPACITY

48:27EXPANSION LIMIT FOR AVIATION

48:29FUEL WOULD ALLOW FOR EXPANDED

48:32CAPACITY EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE

48:33STORAGE OF AVIATION FUEL, SO

48:35THAT THAT EXPANDED STORAGE

48:37CAPACITY COULD NOT THEN BE USED

48:39FOR OTHER TYPES OF FUEL. IS

48:41THAT CORRECT?

48:42>> CORRECT.

48:43>> OKAY. GREAT. THANKS.

48:46>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR KANAL

48:47COUNCILOR NOVICK.

48:48>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SO

48:50THERE'S A OBVIOUS QUESTION I'D

48:52LIKE TO ASK, WHICH MY STAFF

48:53READ. ZACH WARD POINTED OUT. I

48:55SHOULD ASK, WHICH IS THE DEQ

48:58RULES ALLOW FOR EITHER

49:01REPLACING A OLD TANK WITH A

49:03RISK CATEGORY FOR SEISMICALLY

49:06STANDARD TANK, OR DOING A

49:09CONTAINMENT POOL AROUND THE

49:10TANK. AND IT WAS MY

49:11UNDERSTANDING THAT THE

49:13ADVOCATES WOULD MUCH RATHER

49:14HAVE THE NEW TANKS THAN THE

49:16CONTAINMENT POOL. AND I'M

49:18WONDERING, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT

49:20THE REQUIREMENT OF A TYPE THREE

49:21REVIEW, AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING

49:23QUICKER, MIGHT PUSH THE

49:25COMPANIES TO DECIDE TO GO WITH

49:27THE CONTAINMENT POOL, AS

49:28OPPOSED TO BUILDING A NEW TANK,

49:30WHICH PUTS THEM INTO THIS, YOU

49:31KNOW, THIS REVIEW PROCESS.

49:38>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY TESTIMONY

49:41IN THE RECORD THAT SPEAKS TO

49:43THAT CONCERN BY THE TERMINALS.

49:46SO I WOULD JUST BE SPECULATING

49:48AS TO HOW THEY WOULD INTERPRET

49:50THAT.

49:53>> THANK YOU. I DO THINK THAT

49:55THAT'S WORTH US THINKING ABOUT

49:57JUST LOGICALLY, IF YOU HAVE TO

49:59JUMP THROUGH A BUNCH OF HOOPS

50:02IN ORDER TO DO A REPLACEMENT

50:03TANK, BUT YOU DON'T IN ORDER TO

50:05DO THE CONTAINMENT POOL, I

50:06WOULD THINK THAT THAT MIGHT

50:07TEND TO WEIGHT THE SCALES

50:09TOWARDS DOING THE CONTAINMENT

50:10POOL.

50:11>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR. NOVICK.

50:13COUNCILOR SMITH.

50:15>> THANK YOU. JUST IN TERMS OF

50:18EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND

50:19COMMUNITY MITIGATION, HOW WILL

50:21REVENUE OR ADMINISTRATIVE FEES

50:23GENERATED BY THE TITLE 33 LAND

50:26USE REVIEW PROCESS DIRECTLY

50:29SUPPORT IMMEDIATE DISASTER

50:30PREPAREDNESS AND EMERGENCY

50:32RESPONSE RESOURCES FOR ADJACENT

50:35COMMUNITIES.

50:38>> FOR THE TITLE 33 DEVELOPMENT

50:40REVIEW PROCESS. IT WON'T. THOSE.

50:43THOSE APPLICATION REVIEW FEES

50:45ARE TO SUPPORT PAD AND THEIR

50:48STAFF. THAT GOES INTO REVIEWING

50:50THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION

50:53ITSELF. I THINK THERE IS MORE

50:55OF A DISCUSSION AND OPPORTUNITY

50:57AS PART OF THE TITLE 17, THAT

51:00IF THERE ARE ANY PENALTIES THAT

51:01COME FROM ENFORCEMENT, WHERE

51:05THOSE ARE DESIGNED TO BE

51:07DEDICATED TOWARDS RISK

51:09MITIGATION, BUT IN TITLE.

51:10>> 33 COMMUNITIES AS WELL.

51:13>> YEAH, OKAY. BUT TITLE 33

51:15ITSELF, THOSE FEES ARE

51:19RELATIVELY SMALL COMPARED TO

51:20WHAT'S INVOLVED WITH THE TITLE

51:2317 PENALTIES. AND MAINLY THAT

51:25THAT'S HOW WE FUND P AND D.

51:27>> OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR

51:29CLARIFYING THAT.

51:31>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SMITH.

51:34COLLEAGUES, IS THERE ANY

51:35FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THE GREEN

51:38PIRTLE-GUINEY KANAL CLERK.

51:39KOYAMA LANE TWO AMENDMENT.

51:45COUNCILOR ZIMMERMAN.

51:46>> THANKS. I GUESS I'M I'M JUST

51:49CURIOUS FROM A STAFF

51:50PERSPECTIVE. WHY I'M TRYING TO

51:56GET A SENSE OF, OF WHAT THESE

51:58AMENDMENTS ARE INTRODUCING

52:00COMPARED TO AND MAYBE WHY IT

52:01WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL

52:03WORK FROM THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE

52:06THAT YOU ALL BROUGHT FORWARD.

52:08AND THIS HAS BEEN BOTH AN

52:10INTERESTING AND A HELPFUL WAY

52:13TO CONVEY SOME OF THESE

52:14AMENDMENTS, BUT IS ALSO A

52:18LITTLE UNUSUAL FROM A

52:19PERSPECTIVE OF WHERE THE BUREAU

52:21IS AT ON AMENDMENTS. I'M TRYING

52:22TO GET THAT SENSE, BECAUSE YOU

52:23DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THE

52:25ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION. SO I

52:27WOULD LOVE AN ASSESSMENT FOR

52:28THAT AND SOME REASONING WHY AND

52:30THOSE THOUGHTS, BECAUSE I WOULD

52:32IMAGINE THERE ARE THINGS THAT

52:33WE GET AND MAYBE SOME THINGS WE

52:35GIVE UP, GIVEN THESE VARIOUS

52:37AMENDMENTS. AND I CAN'T I'M NOT

52:39HEARING A LOT OF.

52:40>> THAT MAYBE START. TOM, I

52:41THINK THIS ROUND OF AMENDMENTS

52:44WAS THE RESULT OF. TESTIMONY

52:48THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED. THAT WAS

52:51A REACTION TO OUR RECOMMENDED

52:53DRAFT. AND SO. IT'S BEEN AN

52:57ITERATIVE PROCESS THAT, YOU

52:59KNOW, SOME OF THE TESTIMONY

53:00THAT CAME IN TO YOU ALL WE

53:02DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF. AND

53:04SO IN IN AT LEAST A FEW CASES,

53:06WE LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID, OH,

53:07YEAH, THERE'S THAT MAKES SENSE.

53:08LIKE THE, THIS MOVE TO

53:11CONSOLIDATE THE DIFFERENT

53:12REVIEWS INTO A FEWER NUMBER OF

53:14REVIEWS. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE

53:15THOUGHT OF, BUT IT CAME IN AS

53:16TESTIMONY. IT GOT TRACTION WITH

53:18YOU ALL AND IT MADE SENSE. SO I

53:21THINK THAT'S THE BROADER

53:22REACTION IS THAT THIS HAS BEEN

53:24AN ITERATIVE PROCESS AND AND

53:27HAS IN TERMS OF THE POLICY

53:30DOCUMENT, IT'S LARGELY BEEN A

53:31QUESTION OF VERB STRENGTH AND

53:34WORDSMITHING TO TO RESPOND TO

53:36COMMUNITY PREFERENCES.

53:39>> I MIGHT ALSO JUST SAY THAT

53:42AS IT RELATES TO THE

53:44REPLACEMENT, THE THE STORAGE

53:45TANK REPLACEMENT REVIEW, THE

53:48REASON THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED AS

53:50ONE OF THE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES

53:52THAT WOULD REQUIRE A

53:55DISCRETIONARY REVIEW, A TYPE

53:56THREE REVIEW IS BECAUSE OF THE

54:00NEED, YOU KNOW, THE DESIRE TO

54:01MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T CREATE

54:03ANY BARRIERS TO IMPROVING THE

54:06SAFETY OF THOSE TANKS, AND

54:08UNDERSTANDING THAT DEQ HAS, YOU

54:10KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE THE

54:12THE MITIGATION PLANS AND THE

54:14REQUIREMENTS TO COMPLY WITH

54:16THOSE MITIGATION PLANS FROM DEQ.

54:18AND SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE

54:20ANY MORE PROCESS ASSOCIATED

54:22WITH JUST REPLACING THE TANK.

54:24SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE ONE OF

54:27THE THINGS THAT FACTORED INTO

54:30WHY THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED A

54:32DISCRETIONARY REVIEW INITIALLY.

54:35>> I'LL JUST ADD IN THE

54:37PROPOSAL, THE RECOMMENDATION

54:38FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

54:39THAT'S BEFORE YOU. THERE IS THE

54:41NEIGHBORHOOD CONTACT FOR ANY OF

54:45THE REPLACEMENT TANKS BEFORE

54:48THEY GO IN FOR THEIR BUILDING

54:50PERMIT. THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH

54:51THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CONTACT

54:54PROCESS. SO THEY HAVE TO SEND

54:55THE NOTICE TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

54:56THEY HAVE TO HOLD A MEETING. IT

55:00SAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING

55:01TO DO. AND THEN THEY CAN

55:03PROCEED. AND THAT THAT WAS THE

55:06THE PUBLIC CONTACT AWARENESS

55:09STEP. AND THEN FROM THERE, THE

55:11THE PUBLIC CAN TRACK THE

55:14PROGRESS OF THE BUILDING PERMIT,

55:15BUT THEY DO NOT GET AN

55:17OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THE

55:19BUILDING PERMIT. THIS

55:21INTRODUCES AN INTERIM STEP

55:23THERE WHERE THROUGH THE REVIEW,

55:26YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE

55:28AROUND THE DESIGN AND AND AND

55:31ARE ABLE TO HAVE MORE

55:34OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMENT AND HAS

55:36BEEN SAID HERE. THE OPPORTUNITY

55:39TO BUILD TRUST WITH THE

55:41COMMUNITY.

55:41>> COUNCILOR. I'D ALSO MAYBE

55:43JUST ADD THAT THE HAT WE'RE

55:44WEARING AS STAFF CHANGES, AS WE

55:46GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT STEPS

55:47OF THIS PROCESS, THE THE

55:48INITIAL STEP OF US COMING UP

55:49WITH A RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S

55:52WHEN WE'RE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT

55:54AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.

55:55WHEN WE GO TO PLANNING

55:57COMMISSION, OUR ROLE SHIFTS A

55:59LITTLE BIT TO BEING ADVISORS

56:01ABOUT WHETHER IT'S TECHNICALLY

56:02FEASIBLE. AND WE STILL WILL

56:04EXPRESS OUR OPINION ABOUT

56:05WHETHER WE THINK THAT'S A GOOD

56:06IDEA OR NOT. BUT IT'S IT'S THE

56:08PLANNING COMMISSION MAKING THAT

56:10RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN, OF

56:11COURSE, WHEN WE'RE HERE, WE'RE

56:12STILL IN THAT TECHNICAL

56:13ADVISORY ROLE WHERE YOU ALL ARE

56:15DECIDING AND WE'RE JUST TELLING

56:16YOU WHETHER THAT'S WORKABLE

56:17FROM A ZONING ADMINISTRATION

56:19PERSPECTIVE. AND IF YOU ASK US,

56:21YOU KNOW, WOULD WE DO IT THAT

56:24WAY? YOU KNOW, THERE'S

56:25DIFFERENT ANSWERS.

56:25>> YOU SAY IF IT'S FEASIBLE

56:27FROM A ZONING AND WHAT

56:29PERSPECTIVE.

56:29>> ADMINISTRATIVE PERSPECTIVE

56:30CAN WE.

56:31>> BUT WHEN CRAFTING THE

56:32ORIGINAL, YOU WERE CRAFTING IT

56:34FROM MORE THAN JUST A ZONING

56:36AND FEASIBILITY PERSPECTIVE.

56:37THERE WAS ALL SORTS OF

56:39PERSPECTIVES TAKEN IN. SO I

56:40GUESS I'M ASKING A LITTLE BIT

56:43IS, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT

56:46THERE ARE FACTORS, THINGS THAT

56:48WOULD BE GIVEN UP IF THESE WERE

56:50ADOPTED COMPARED TO THE

56:51ORIGINAL THAT YOU ALL PROPOSED,

56:53AND THAT MADE IT TO OUR DESK

56:54BEFORE THE AMENDMENTS?

56:57>> I MEAN, YOU'VE ALREADY

56:58HINTED AT THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT

56:59WHETHER WE WOULD DO A REVIEW

57:01FOR THE REPLACEMENT TANKS.

57:02THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A

57:03PIVOT THAT THAT.

57:04>> THAT DOESN'T.

57:05>> IS A TRADE OFF.

57:06>> WHAT DO WE DO, A REVIEW, I

57:08GUESS THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M

57:09GETTING AT IS YOU'RE TALKING

57:10ABOUT PROCESS PROCESS OF A LAND

57:12USE DECISION. BUT I'M TALKING

57:13ABOUT LIKE, WHAT IS THE OUTCOME

57:14WHEN THE PROCESS IS OVER? AND

57:16THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET A

57:18SENSE FOR IN TERMS OF WHAT DOES

57:20SOME OF THESE WHAT WE'RE

57:21TALKING LARGELY THESE

57:22AMENDMENTS ARE HOW WE WANT TO

57:24GO ABOUT A THING, NOT WHAT THE

57:27THING WILL BE. AND THAT THAT'S

57:28WHAT I'D LIKE TO GET A LITTLE

57:30BIT OF A BETTER SENSE OF THESE

57:32AMENDMENTS AND WHAT THEY CHANGE

57:34FROM THE DOCUMENT.

57:37>> I THINK THE ONE THING THAT

57:38HAS CHANGED OR IS LEFT BEHIND

57:42IS, IS RELATED TO THE TRANSFER

57:44REVIEW THAT THAT THE WAY THE

57:47TRANSFERS WERE SET UP BETWEEN

57:48UNDER THE THE TRANSFER REVIEW,

57:53THAT IF YOU WERE TRANSFERRING

57:54CAPACITY FROM ONE TERMINAL TO

57:56THE OTHER AS PART OF THAT

57:58TRANSFER, THERE WAS A 20%

58:01REDUCTION. AND THAT THAT GOES

58:03AWAY WITH, WITH THE, THE, THE

58:06NEW CAPACITY AND TRANSLOADING

58:09EXPANSION REVIEW.

58:09>> OKAY. AND SO WHAT'S THE

58:10OUTCOME OF THAT?

58:11>> THAT THAT IS ONE OUTCOME

58:14THAT THERE IS NOT THE IMMEDIATE

58:1720% REDUCTION WHERE IF, IF

58:20WE'RE IF WE STILL HAVE TITLE 17,

58:23THEN WE'RE WAITING TILL 2036 TO

58:26SEE THAT 20% REDUCTION.

58:28>> YEAH.

58:29>> INSTEAD, WHAT YOU HAVE IS

58:30THE CRITERION THAT FORCES THE

58:33EXAMINATION OF DATA AND THE

58:34LATEST FORECASTS. AND SO IT'S

58:36YEAH, IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC

58:38REDUCTION, BUT IT'S A.

58:39>> WELL THE TRANSFER REVIEW

58:41STILL HAD THAT NEED THAT

58:43CAPACITY NEED CRITERION IN IT.

58:46BUT AGAIN, THE AS PART OF THE

58:49TRANSFER THERE WAS A TAX ON THE

58:51CAPACITY THAT IS NO LONGER PART

58:53OF THIS PROCESS.

58:54>> AND WHAT YOU WERE MENTIONING

58:55EARLIER THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD

58:57WOULD HAVE SOME INPUT. SO WHAT

58:58DO WE CONSIDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD

59:00IN THIS CONVERSATION? WHO ARE

59:03WE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT?

59:06>> WELL, THERE'S.

59:07>> A ARE WE JUST DOING THE

59:08NEIGHBORHOOD BOUNDARY OF

59:10NORTHWEST LINTON?

59:12>> YEAH. THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE

59:14LIST OF, OF NEIGHBORHOOD

59:17ASSOCIATIONS THAT RECEIVE

59:19NOTICE AND PRIOR NOTICE OF THIS,

59:22YOU KNOW, THESE PENDING

59:24APPLICATIONS. AND THAT REALLY

59:25KICKS OFF THE PUBLIC PROCESS.

59:28AND FOR INDIVIDUALS TO BE AWARE

59:31OF.

59:32>> SO MANY NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT

59:34JUST THE. CORRECT. OKAY. AND

59:44THEN I GUESS FROM BP'S

59:47PERSPECTIVE, DO YOU CONSIDER

59:49THIS SET OF AMENDMENTS THAT

59:50HAVE BEEN PROPOSED TO BE. LARGE

59:57AND SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGING OF

59:58THE DOCUMENT? DO YOU CONSIDER

1:00:00THEM STYLISTIC PROCESS OR MINOR

1:00:05ACROSS THE BOARD? I'M TRYING TO

1:00:06GET A SENSE OF YOU ALL TO PUT A

1:00:09LOT OF WORK, A LONG TIME, LONG

1:00:12PROCESS. AND WHILE IT SOUNDS

1:00:14LIKE THE COUNCILORS, THE FIVE

1:00:15WHO SPONSORED THIS, DID SOME

1:00:17LATE NIGHT WORK WITH YOU ALL.

1:00:18WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT

1:00:19WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS

1:00:21VERSUS THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

1:00:22AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A

1:00:24SENSE FOR THE MAGNITUDE, IF YOU

1:00:27WILL, OF THE AMENDMENTS AND HOW

1:00:29THAT LANDS UPON BTS AND YOUR

1:00:32ORIGINAL PRODUCT AND WHERE

1:00:33YOU'RE AT NOW. AND I, I JUST

1:00:34DON'T KNOW.

1:00:35>> THERE ARE A COUPLE DIFFERENT

1:00:36FLAVORS OF AMENDMENTS HERE.

1:00:37THERE'S THE POLICY AMENDMENTS,

1:00:40THE CODE CONTENT, AND THEN SOME

1:00:43OF THE PROCESS CHANGES. AND I

1:00:44THINK THE POLICY AMENDMENTS,

1:00:47LARGELY FROM A COMMUNITY

1:00:48PERSPECTIVE, I THINK, ARE AIMED

1:00:50AT STRENGTHENING THE WORDING TO

1:00:52BE FIRMER. AND I WOULD AGREE

1:00:54THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

1:00:57DO YOU THINK NOT A WHOLESALE

1:01:00REDIRECTION OF THE GENERAL

1:01:01POLICY TILT, BUT IT MOVES THE

1:01:03THE FIRMNESS OF THE WORDING

1:01:05SLIGHTLY FURTHER ALONG THE

1:01:07SPECTRUM, THE THE PROCESS

1:01:09IMPROVEMENTS ARE. I THINK THERE

1:01:10ARE SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS

1:01:12VERSION THAT THAT THAT CLEAN UP

1:01:15SOME SOME THINGS THAT, THAT

1:01:16WEREN'T CLEAR IN OUR VERSION.

1:01:18SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A

1:01:20FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE, BUT IT IS,

1:01:21I THINK, HELPFUL. I DON'T KNOW

1:01:24IF, IF STAFF HAS ANYTHING ELSE.

1:01:26I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A WHOLESALE

1:01:28PIVOT. IT'S, IT'S STRENGTHENING

1:01:30SOME OF THE PROCESSES.

1:01:31>> TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT

1:01:32OF A SENSE IF TO, TO THE, TO

1:01:36THE VERBS AND TO THE WORDS. AND

1:01:37THE DESCRIPTORS THAT ARE KIND

1:01:39OF TALKING ABOUT IS. HOW. SO

1:01:44YOU ALL MADE A CHOICE NOT TO

1:01:46USE THOSE WORDS ORIGINALLY, AND

1:01:47NOW THEY ARE THERE. I GUESS I'M

1:01:49TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF, IS

1:01:51THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK

1:01:53IN A, IN THIS TYPE OF DOCUMENT

1:01:54SHOULD BE AVOIDED OR ACTUALLY

1:01:56IT'S GOOD TO INCLUDE THEM. AND

1:01:58I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND

1:02:00THE IMPACT OF THESE WORDS

1:02:02BECAUSE IT SOUNDS FUNNY TO

1:02:03ARGUE OVER DOCUMENT, BUT A

1:02:04SINGLE WORD LIKE SHALL DOES

1:02:06MAKE DIFFERENCES. I'M JUST

1:02:07TRYING TO GET A SENSE HERE

1:02:08BECAUSE YOU CHOSE NOT TO DO IT

1:02:10ORIGINALLY.

1:02:11>> I MAY JUST JUMP IN TO SAY

1:02:12THAT I THINK THAT WHERE THE

1:02:14WHERE THE LANGUAGE LANDED ON

1:02:16THE POLICIES, THE VERBS, AND

1:02:18THE ADDITIONAL KIND OF COLOR

1:02:19THAT WAS ADDED TO SOME OF THE

1:02:21POLICIES, I DON'T THINK THAT WE

1:02:23HAVE ANY PARTICULAR CONCERNS

1:02:25ABOUT THAT. I THINK THAT THEY

1:02:26THEY WERE THEY WERE FINE. IT

1:02:28WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION. IT

1:02:29HELPED US REALLY KIND OF, YOU

1:02:31KNOW, CHOOSE WORDS VERY

1:02:32CAREFULLY. AND I THINK IT WAS

1:02:33IT WAS A GOOD PROCESS.

1:02:35>> OKAY. AND THEN LASTLY, I

1:02:37GUESS THERE'S A LOT THERE'S A

1:02:40LOT HERE THAT THE COLLEAGUES

1:02:41PUT FORWARD. SO. MAYBE I'VE

1:02:44MISSED IT. BUT ARE ANY OF THESE

1:02:46FROM THE CITY ADMINISTRATION OR

1:02:48BTS THAT YOU CONSIDER RISKY OR

1:02:51THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND NOT BE

1:02:54ADOPTED?

1:02:58>> I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD

1:02:59JUST SAY THAT THE REPLACEMENT

1:03:02REVIEW IS SOMETHING THAT

1:03:04OBVIOUSLY WAS NOT PART OF THE

1:03:05ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION FOR

1:03:07THAT. NUMBER TEN. YES, IT'S THE

1:03:11TWO IT'S IN AMENDMENT TEN.

1:03:14THERE ARE TWO. THE TWO REVIEW

1:03:17PROCESSES ARE AN AMENDMENT TEN.

1:03:18WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE

1:03:20FIRST ONE, THE REPLACEMENT

1:03:21REVIEW. I THINK THAT THE

1:03:24PHILOSOPHY OF THE STAFF GOING

1:03:26IN WAS THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO

1:03:28CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL. I MEAN,

1:03:29TOO MUCH ADDITIONAL PROCESS TO

1:03:32GET IN THE WAY OF COMPLIANCE

1:03:35WITH THE DEQ SEISMIC

1:03:37REQUIREMENTS.

1:03:38>> WE DO UNDERSTAND THE

1:03:39OBJECTIVE OF THAT REVIEW, WHICH

1:03:40WAS, I THINK, DESCRIBED BY THE

1:03:42SPONSORS, WHICH IS THAT IT IS

1:03:44GIVING THE COMMUNITY MORE SAY

1:03:45IN THAT REPLACEMENT AND AND IT

1:03:47IS GIVING MORE TRANSPARENCY TO

1:03:49THAT REPLACEMENT. SO IF THAT'S

1:03:50THE POLICY OBJECTIVE, IT'S IT'S

1:03:52MOVING THAT DIRECTION.

1:03:54>> I UNDERSTAND THE POLICY

1:03:55OBJECTIVE FROM THE PEOPLE WHO

1:03:56WROTE IT. I'M LOOKING TO YOU AS

1:03:58A PERSON AND A GROUP OF PEOPLE.

1:03:59I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE

1:04:01FROM AN ADVOCACY PERSPECTIVE, I

1:04:04AM TRYING TO GET A SENSE FOR,

1:04:06ARE THERE RED FLAGS IN HERE

1:04:07THAT I CAN'T UNDERSTAND UNLESS

1:04:09YOU FLAG THEM FOR ME? RIGHT.

1:04:11AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT

1:04:12THERE IS SOME CONCERN AROUND

1:04:14TEN, BUT THAT'S THE END OF THE

1:04:16SENTENCE.

1:04:17>> YEAH. I THINK AS WAS

1:04:20DESCRIBED EARLIER, THERE HAS

1:04:21BEEN AN ITERATIVE PROCESS TO

1:04:25HONE THIS AMENDMENT, TO TRY AND

1:04:28ELIMINATE AS MANY OF THOSE RED

1:04:29FLAGS AS POSSIBLE. AND I THINK,

1:04:32YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WORKING

1:04:33WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE,

1:04:36WE'VE WE'VE GOTTEN THERE TO A

1:04:38POINT. THERE WAS A LOT OF GIVE

1:04:39AND TAKE AND, AND WORDSMITHING

1:04:42TO TRY AND GET THIS INTO THE

1:04:45BEST POSITION POSSIBLE.

1:04:48>> OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL.

1:04:55>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR

1:04:56ZIMMERMAN. COUNCILOR GREEN.

1:04:58>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.

1:04:59I JUST JUMPED BACK IN THE QUEUE

1:05:01BECAUSE I WANTED TO NOTE

1:05:02THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION THAT

1:05:04WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT HAS

1:05:05BEEN MOVED IS CERTAINLY NOT

1:05:08EVERYTHING THAT THE ADVOCATES

1:05:09WANTED. THEY PUT FORWARD SOME

1:05:12STUFF THAT I THINK THEY FELT

1:05:14REALLY STRONGLY ABOUT. AND

1:05:17AFTER THE ITERATION, WITH STAFF

1:05:21DETERMINED TERMINATIONS WERE

1:05:22MADE TO SORT OF SAY, WE NEED TO

1:05:24MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. LET'S

1:05:26TAKE A SECOND BEST, LESS

1:05:28PERFECT APPROACH. WE ITERATED

1:05:31WITH STAFF TO GET THERE. SO

1:05:32THIS IS JUST, I THINK, THE

1:05:33OUTCOME OF A, YOU KNOW, A LAND

1:05:37USE PROCESS WHERE WE WHERE WE

1:05:39LISTEN. SO THANKS.

1:05:42>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GREEN,

1:05:43COUNCILOR SMITH.

1:05:44>> THANK YOU. I WANT TO MAKE

1:05:53SURE BECAUSE I'VE I'VE BEEN IN

1:05:55CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMUNITY

1:05:58ABOUT THE HUB, THE HUB AND. BUT

1:06:03I WANT TO KNOW FROM BTS. HOW DO

1:06:07YOU ALL PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT

1:06:10THERE IS A, AN ATTEMPT TO REACH

1:06:13OUT TO DIVERSE, UNDERSERVED

1:06:18RESIDENTS, TO LET THEM KNOW

1:06:21ABOUT THE SEISMIC AND THE

1:06:22ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS THAT ARE

1:06:26GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THIS

1:06:28CHANGE COMES. BECAUSE AS I'VE

1:06:30BEEN LOOKING AROUND IN THE ROOM

1:06:32AND I KNOW WHO'S COME TO TALK

1:06:34TO ME, AND I HAVEN'T HAD A

1:06:36DIVERSE GROUP OF FOLKS COME AND

1:06:39TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS. AND SO I

1:06:41WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BTS WILL

1:06:44BE GIVING A THOROUGH PUBLIC

1:06:49KIND OF CONVERSATION TO

1:06:52CONCENTRATE ON THE HAZARDS IN

1:06:53THOSE UNDERSERVED AND

1:06:56PARTICULARLY THOSE HISTORICALLY

1:06:58BURDENED NEIGHBORHOODS. AND

1:07:01COUNCILOR ZIMMERMAN TALKED

1:07:03ABOUT WHO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

1:07:05AND NO ONE TALKED ABOUT THOSE

1:07:08FOLKS. SO I WANT TO HAVE AT

1:07:11LEAST SOME SORT OF COMMITMENT

1:07:14THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE

1:07:16SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU BRING

1:07:17UP. I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU

1:07:19CAN'T CONTROL WHO COMES HERE,

1:07:21BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY CONTROL

1:07:23WHO YOU REACH OUT TO.

1:07:26>> IN COUNCILOR. AND AGAIN, FOR

1:07:28THE RECORD, ERIC ENGSTROM,

1:07:29DIRECTOR OF THE. IN TANDEM WITH

1:07:32THIS CODE WORK, WE HAVE BEEN

1:07:34SITTING AT A TABLE MULTIAGENCY

1:07:36TABLE WITH PBEM AND STATE

1:07:39AGENCIES CONTINUING TO TRY TO

1:07:42COORDINATE BETTER ON THE THE

1:07:45EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND HAZARD

1:07:47MITIGATION SIDE OF THIS. THIS

1:07:49IS THE ZONING IS IN PARTICULAR

1:07:51ABOUT LIKE HOW PEOPLE BUILD

1:07:53THINGS ON THE GROUND. AND SO IT

1:07:54DOESN'T GET SO MUCH INTO THE,

1:07:56THE ON THE GROUND MITIGATION OR

1:07:58PUBLIC INFORMATION ABOUT THE

1:08:00HAZARDS. BUT THE TABLE WHERE

1:08:02WE'RE TALKING WITH THOSE

1:08:03AGENCIES ACROSS THE MULTI

1:08:05AGENCY EFFORT TO, TO DO BETTER

1:08:08AT THE, AT THE PLANNING FOR

1:08:09EMERGENCY RESPONSE. THAT'S

1:08:10WHERE THAT ACTION IS, I THINK.

1:08:12AND SO WE, WE'RE REGARDLESS OF

1:08:15WHAT COUNCIL DOES WITH THESE

1:08:17PARTICULAR POLICY AMENDMENTS,

1:08:18THAT DIALOG IS CONTINUING.

1:08:20>> CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE.

1:08:23>> WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

1:08:24THOSE MULTI AGENCY. I NEED YOU

1:08:26TO TALK TO COMMUNITY BASED

1:08:28ORGANIZATIONS, NOT JUST STATE

1:08:30AND FEDERAL TABLES WHERE YOU

1:08:32CAN TALK TO PEOPLE WHO, WHO

1:08:35UNDERSTAND, I NEED YOU TO, TO

1:08:36REACH OUT TO FOLKS WHO, WHO ARE

1:08:38FROM THOSE HISTORICALLY

1:08:41UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES WHO

1:08:43HAVE NO IDEA, EVEN THOUGH THEY,

1:08:45THEY MAY KNOW THAT IT IS AN

1:08:48URGENT MATTER, BUT THEY DON'T

1:08:50KNOW IN GREAT DETAIL WHAT IS

1:08:52GOING ON. AND SO I THINK JUST

1:08:55KEEP TALKING TO OURSELVES.

1:08:56THAT'S NOT GOING TO DO IT. AND

1:08:58DEPENDING ON THESE MULTI

1:09:00AGENCIES TO GO OUT INTO

1:09:02COMMUNITY, I THINK THAT WE CAN

1:09:05DO BETTER, WE KNOW BETTER, AND

1:09:08WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT.

1:09:11BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING TO THE

1:09:12SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE. LOOK

1:09:16AROUND THE ROOM TO SEE WHO'S

1:09:18HERE AND THEN LOOK TO SEE WHO'S

1:09:21NOT HERE. THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS

1:09:22DO TO LOOK TO SEE WHO IS NOT

1:09:24HERE. THANK YOU.

1:09:26>> THANK YOU.

1:09:27>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SMITH.

1:09:28COUNCILOR PIRTLE-GUINEY.

1:09:31>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

1:09:32>> PRESIDENT AND COUNCILOR

1:09:34NOVICK. COUNCILOR ZIMMERMAN. I

1:09:35WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR

1:09:37PUSHING ON SOME OF THOSE

1:09:38QUESTIONS. THERE. WHEN WE HAVE

1:09:42A PROCESS LIKE THIS, I THINK

1:09:44IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO AIR

1:09:45THE SPECIFIC CHANGES AND TO

1:09:47MAKE SURE WE HAVE AS MUCH

1:09:49CLARITY AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THE

1:09:51TRADE OFFS THAT WERE CONSIDERED

1:09:53AND THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED

1:09:54BETWEEN THE UNDERLYING AND THE

1:09:56AMENDMENT. I JUST WANT TO SPEAK

1:09:58TO THE PROCESS ON THIS A LITTLE

1:10:00BIT. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT

1:10:03WAYS TO GO ABOUT THINKING ABOUT

1:10:04WHAT OUR ROLES ARE WHEN IT

1:10:06COMES TO POLICY MAKING. BUT ONE

1:10:08OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS

1:10:11AN IMPORTANT TOOL THAT WE HAVE

1:10:13AND THAT WE CERTAINLY USED HERE,

1:10:16WAS BEING ABLE TO TAKE TWO

1:10:20PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT ARE

1:10:21BOTH RAISING REALLY IMPORTANT

1:10:23CONCERNS AND SIT FOLKS DOWN

1:10:25TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO

1:10:27CROSSWALK THEM. AND IN THIS

1:10:30CASE, WE SAW FEEDBACK FROM A

1:10:32NUMBER OF DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDER

1:10:34GROUPS WHO WERE WHO FELT LIKE

1:10:37THE UNDERLYING WAS MISSING SOME

1:10:40PIECES. AND AS MUCH AS. THOSE

1:10:46FOLKS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS

1:10:47FOR YEARS, AND THERE ARE MANY

1:10:49EXPERTS IN THAT COMMUNITY, I

1:10:51WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT

1:10:54WOULD BE ON IMPLEMENTATION FROM

1:10:55OUR BUREAU. I WANTED TO KNOW

1:10:57WHAT OUR ATTORNEYS WHO WORK

1:10:59WITH OUR LAND USE LAWS EVERY

1:11:01DAY THOUGHT ABOUT SOME OF THOSE

1:11:03CHANGES. AND SO THERE WAS A

1:11:05WHOLE PROCESS OF WALKING BACK

1:11:07AND FORTH TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S

1:11:09WHAT FOLKS WHO WOULD LIKE TO

1:11:11SEE A HIGHER BAR FOR SAFETY ARE

1:11:13ASKING ABOUT DOES IT WORK? IF

1:11:15IT DOESN'T WORK, WHY NOT? HOW

1:11:17COULD WE MAKE IT WORK? IF THERE

1:11:20ARE FUNDAMENTAL UNDERLYING

1:11:22CONCERNS WITH THE APPROACH, IS

1:11:23THERE ANOTHER APPROACH THAT

1:11:24COULD REACH THOSE SAME GOALS?

1:11:26AND THERE WERE MULTIPLE ROUNDS

1:11:29OF US, YOUR COLLEAGUES, WALKING

1:11:31THESE PIECES BACK AND FORTH TO

1:11:33TRY TO GET TO SOMETHING THAT

1:11:35COULD WITHSTAND, FRANKLY, THE

1:11:37QUESTIONING UP HERE, THE REALLY

1:11:38IMPORTANT QUESTIONING UP HERE.

1:11:41SO I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT

1:11:43THAT WAS PART OF THIS PROCESS,

1:11:46THAT THIS WAS NOT TAKING ONE

1:11:48PERSON'S SUGGESTION AND SAYING,

1:11:49WE'RE GOING TO RUN WITH IT. BUT

1:11:51IT WAS A VERY ITERATIVE PROCESS.

1:11:53AND I WANT TO THANK THE BUREAU

1:11:54FOR BEING HONEST ABOUT THE

1:11:56PLACES WHERE YOU STILL HAVE

1:11:57SOME CONCERNS, BUT ALSO CLEAR

1:11:58ABOUT THE PLACES WHERE WE WERE

1:12:00ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MEET

1:12:02SOME ADDITIONAL SAFETY GOALS

1:12:04WITHOUT RAISING RED FLAGS. FROM

1:12:06YOUR PERSPECTIVE, I THINK

1:12:07THAT'S WHERE GOOD POLICY IS

1:12:09MADE. I ALSO, COUNCILOR SMITH,

1:12:13WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING

1:12:15UP THE CONCERNS YOU DID. AND AT

1:12:16ONE POINT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING

1:12:18AT NOTIFICATION, WE WERE

1:12:19LOOKING AT A LONGER LIST. BUT

1:12:21TO NAME EACH ORGANIZATION

1:12:22DOESN'T WITHSTAND THE TEST OF

1:12:24TIME AND TO NAME WHOLESALE

1:12:26CATEGORIES THAT COULD HAVE 100

1:12:29ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THEM

1:12:30DOESN'T WITHSTAND THE TEST OF

1:12:31PRACTICALITY. AND SO WE WE

1:12:34NARROWED TO THE LIST THAT YOU

1:12:35SEE, WHICH IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD

1:12:37ASSOCIATIONS AND A FEW

1:12:37EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, AS

1:12:40WELL AS BROADLY DISTRIBUTED

1:12:42NEWSPAPERS. BUT THAT DOESN'T

1:12:44HAVE TO BE THE ONLY PLACES

1:12:46NOTICE ARE RECEIVED, AND I

1:12:48THINK IT IS INCUMBENT UPON ALL

1:12:50OF US WHO REPRESENT THESE

1:12:53DISTRICTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE

1:12:55ARE FLAGGING THIS FOR OTHER

1:12:56ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL, SO THAT

1:12:57THEY KNOW TO BE ON THE LOOKOUT

1:12:59FOR IT. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY,

1:13:01I AM HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU AND

1:13:03WITH OTHERS TO FIGURE OUT WHO

1:13:05NEEDS TO BE ON OUR TEAM'S LIST

1:13:08AND HOPEFULLY SIT DOWN WITH THE

1:13:10BUREAU AFTER THIS IS PASSED AND

1:13:12THINK ABOUT WHO ELSE MIGHT BE

1:13:13ABLE TO BE ON VOLUNTARY

1:13:16NOTIFICATION LISTS, EVEN IF

1:13:17THEY ARE NOT SPELLED OUT IN THE

1:13:20LANGUAGE HERE, BECAUSE THOSE

1:13:22THOSE INDIVIDUAL ORGANIZATIONS

1:13:25MAY EBB AND FLOW IN TERMS OF

1:13:26WHO THE RIGHT PEOPLE ARE TO

1:13:27REACH OUT TO OVER TIME.

1:13:30>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR

1:13:31PIRTLE-GUINEY. COUNCILOR NOVICK.

1:13:33>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I

1:13:34JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I IF I

1:13:36THOUGHT IT WOULD GET SUPPORT,

1:13:37I'D BE INCLINED TO OFFER AN

1:13:39AMENDMENT ON THE REPLACEMENT

1:13:40TANK ISSUE TO GO FROM TYPE TWO

1:13:43TO TYPE THREE TO TYPE TWO,

1:13:45BECAUSE OF THE CONCERN ABOUT

1:13:46SLOWING DOWN COMPLIANCE WITH

1:13:47THE DEQ REQUIREMENTS AND

1:13:50PUSHING POTENTIALLY PUSHING THE

1:13:51COMPANIES TO GO WITH

1:13:52CONTAINMENT RATHER THAN NEW

1:13:54TANKS. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO

1:13:56OFFER THAT AMENDMENT TO TO

1:13:58WASTE TIME ON AN 11 TO 1 OR 10

1:14:00TO 2 VOTE. SO I'LL JUST SAY

1:14:02THAT IF ANYBODY OTHER THAN

1:14:03COUNCILOR ZIMMERMAN MYSELF

1:14:04WANTS TO OFFER THAT AMENDMENT,

1:14:05I'D SECONDED.

1:14:07>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR NOVICK.

1:14:10OKAY, COLLEAGUES, SEEING NO ONE

1:14:11ELSE IN THE QUEUE. KEELAN CAN

1:14:13WE MOVE TOWARDS A.

1:14:17>> THIS IS.

1:14:19>> THESE ARE MOVED AS A SINGLE

1:14:21AMENDMENT RIGHT NOW. CURRENTLY,

1:14:22UNLESS THERE'S A MOTION TO

1:14:23SEPARATE.

1:14:24>> SO REQUEST.

1:14:26>> FOR INFORMATION. JUST THE

1:14:27TITLE 33 AMENDMENTS THOUGH.

1:14:30>> YES.

1:14:31>> NO, IT'S.

1:14:33>> IT'S THE.

1:14:34>> COMP PLAN POLICIES AND THE

1:14:36TITLE 33 AMENDMENT.

1:14:39>> CAN JUMP IN HERE PLEASE.

1:14:42>> COLLEAGUES, THE WAY THAT

1:14:43THIS IS WRITTEN LISTS DIFFERENT.

1:14:46THEY'RE LISTED AS AMENDMENTS

1:14:48BUT DIFFERENT SECTIONS SO THAT

1:14:50IT WAS EASIER FOR US TO

1:14:52>> FOLLOW DURING DEBATE AND

1:14:53DISCUSSION. SO IT WAS EASIER

1:14:55FOR OUR STAFF TO WALK THROUGH

1:14:56EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THERE. BUT

1:14:58WHAT WE'VE DONE IS PRESENTED A,

1:15:01I HATE TO USE THE WORD

1:15:02COMPREHENSIVE BECAUSE WE HAVE

1:15:03THE COMP PLAN ALSO, BUT I WILL

1:15:06A COMPREHENSIVE, SINGULAR

1:15:07AMENDMENT THAT IS FILED

1:15:09TOGETHER WITH THOSE DIFFERENT

1:15:10SUBSECTIONS FOR EACH OF THE

1:15:12ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. SO ONE

1:15:14AMENDMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NINE,

1:15:16WHICH AFFECTS TITLE 33 IN THE

1:15:19COMP PLAN, AND ONE AMENDMENT

1:15:21FOR AGENDA ITEM TEN OR DOCUMENT

1:15:242026 312, WHICH AFFECTS TITLE

1:15:2917.

1:15:31>> SO CAN WE JUST CLARIFY THAT

1:15:33THE NEXT VOTE IS ON TITLE 17?

1:15:36AFTER THIS.

1:15:37>> THE CURRENT VOTE IS THE

1:15:40AMENDMENT ON COMP PLAN IN TITLE

1:15:4233. I WILL DEFER TO THE COUNCIL

1:15:43PRESIDENT ON WHAT HE PLANS TO

1:15:45DO WITH TITLE 17, DEPENDING ON

1:15:46HOW WE DO WITH THE UNDERLYING

1:15:48TODAY.

1:15:49>> IT WILL BE SEQUENTIALLY.

1:15:51NEXT.

1:15:51>> OKAY.

1:15:52>> THANK YOU. WE HAVEN'T

1:15:54FORMALLY MOVED IT. THEREFORE WE

1:15:55CAN'T FORMALLY. GOTCHA, GOTCHA.

1:15:56YES. OKAY. AND VICE PRESIDENT

1:15:58CLARK, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER?

1:16:00OKAY. KEELAN, PLEASE CALL THE

1:16:01ROLL.

1:16:02>> YEAH, THIS IS THE ROLL CALL.

1:16:04VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. GREEN

1:16:07PIRTLE-GUINEY KANAL CLARK.

1:16:09KOYAMA LANE TWO. MOVED BY GREEN.

1:16:10SECONDED BY CLARK. CLARK.

1:16:16>> SORRY.

1:16:17>> I'M NOT USED TO THIS YET.

1:16:19>> I GREEN. I ZIMMERMAN. I

1:16:36AVALOS. I SMITH. I KANAL. I

1:16:42PIRTLE-GUINEY. I RYAN. I KOYAMA

1:16:48LANE. I MORILLO. I NOVICK.

1:16:52>> SUBJECT TO THE FOREGOING

1:16:54RESERVATIONS I.

1:16:57>> DUNPHY I.

1:16:58>> THE AMENDMENT IS APPROVED

1:17:00WITH A VOTE OF 12 AYES.

1:17:01>> THANK YOU COLLEAGUES. I

1:17:03UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME

1:17:04ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS TO THIS

1:17:06COUNCILOR GREEN.

1:17:10>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.

1:17:13I FILED GREEN ONE BECAUSE. YOU

1:17:18KNOW, WHEN YOU WORK TOGETHER ON

1:17:20AN AMENDMENT, I THINK IT'S

1:17:21IMPORTANT TO KEEP FIDELITY TO

1:17:22THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL AGREE

1:17:23WITH AND THE THINGS THAT YOU

1:17:25WORK TOGETHER ON. I THINK

1:17:28THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF

1:17:29DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY RISK. I

1:17:31THINK MY RISK APPETITE ON THE

1:17:34FUEL AVIATION EXEMPTION PIECE,

1:17:36THAT'S THE 5% IN THE TITLE 33

1:17:39THAT WE JUST AMENDED. I'M FAR

1:17:43MORE SKEPTICAL OF THE MODELING

1:17:44THAT SHOWS WE HAVE THAT NEED.

1:17:46AND SO I WAS WILLING TO FILE

1:17:47SOMETHING ON A SEPARATE PIECE

1:17:49NOT TO SORT OF INTERMINGLE THAT

1:17:50WITH THE REST OF WHAT WE WORKED

1:17:52ON. AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD

1:17:55LIKE TO MOVE NOW. AND I WON'T

1:17:57DRAG US THROUGH THE MUD FOR A

1:17:58LONG DEBATE IF THERE'S NOT

1:18:00SUPPORT FOR THIS. BUT I WOULD

1:18:01LIKE TO JUST TALK ABOUT WHY WHY

1:18:03I'M DOING THIS. SO GREEN ONE IS

1:18:05SIMPLY. ON THE WEBSITE. IT'S

1:18:08GREEN ONE VERSION TWO, WHICH

1:18:11DEPENDED UPON THE ORDER IN

1:18:12WHICH WE TOOK THIS UP. BUT ALL

1:18:14IT DOES IS STRIKE THE. UNLESS

1:18:15THE EXPANSION IS FOR THE

1:18:16STORAGE OF AVIATION FUEL, IF

1:18:18THE EXPANSION IS FOR THE

1:18:19STORAGE OF AVIATION FUEL, THE

1:18:20TOTAL DEMAND OF EXPANDED

1:18:21STORAGE TANK CAPACITY CANNOT

1:18:23EXCEED 5% MORE THAN THE STORAGE

1:18:25TANK CAPACITY THAT EXISTED

1:18:26BEFORE. AND SO I THINK WHAT WE

1:18:28JUST PASSED WAS GREAT. AND IT

1:18:29WAS I THINK IT, IT, IT LIMITS

1:18:31US TO THE 20% EXPANSION THAT WE

1:18:33HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. BUT I

1:18:37HAVE BEEN I HAVE HAD

1:18:39RESERVATIONS ON THE THE

1:18:40EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD ON THE

1:18:42FUEL DEMAND SINCE THE BEGINNING

1:18:44OF THIS PROCESS. I DON'T THINK

1:18:46IT'S CREDIBLE TO SAY THAT

1:18:49THERE'S GOING TO BE AS MUCH

1:18:50GROWTH IN AVIATION FUEL AS WE

1:18:52SEE IN THE RECORD, BECAUSE THAT

1:18:55MODELING DEPENDS UPON A WORLD

1:18:57WHERE AVIATION FUEL PRICES ARE

1:19:00MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE, I THINK

1:19:02MORE THAN HALF AS EXPENSIVE AS

1:19:03THEY ARE TODAY. AND DEMAND FOR

1:19:07FLIGHTS IS A FUNCTION OF THE

1:19:08PRICE OF A TICKET. AND AIRLINES

1:19:10ARE LOW MARGIN OPERATIONS. AND

1:19:13SO WHEN THE COST OF FUEL GOES

1:19:15UP, THE COST OF AIRLINE TICKETS

1:19:17GO UP. AND THE ECONOMIC

1:19:19RESEARCH SHOWS THAT FOR SHORT

1:19:21HAUL AIR FLYING FOR FOR FOR

1:19:23SHORT HAUL FLIGHTS, CONSUMERS

1:19:24ARE HIGHLY RESPONSIVE TO PRICE

1:19:26IMPACTS. AND THEY WILL SWITCH

1:19:27THEIR TRIPS. SO THEY WILL THEY

1:19:29WILL DRIVE TO SEATTLE INSTEAD

1:19:30OF FLYING TO SEATTLE, THEY WILL

1:19:31DRIVE TO NORTHERN CALIFORNIA

1:19:33INSTEAD OF FLYING TO NORTHERN

1:19:34CALIFORNIA. AND SO I DON'T

1:19:36THINK THERE IS THE NEED TO

1:19:38SUSTAIN THIS EXEMPTION, CARVE

1:19:39OUT. AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT,

1:19:41I'M MOVING THIS AMENDMENT TO

1:19:43BRING IT, I THINK, A LITTLE

1:19:44CLOSER IN LINE WITH. THE DESIRE

1:19:48TO KIND OF LIMIT THE EXPANSION

1:19:49OVERALL THERE AS THE HUB. AND I

1:19:51WOULD I WOULD ASK FOR A SECOND.

1:19:53>> SECOND, SECOND.

1:19:54>> OKAY, COUNCILOR GREEN MOVES,

1:19:55GREEN ONE. AND I BELIEVE I

1:19:56HEARD COUNCILOR KANAL FIRST AS

1:19:58A SECOND. COLLEAGUES, WE ARE

1:19:59NOW IN DISCUSSION OF GREEN ONE.

1:20:02COUNCILOR VICE PRESIDENT CLERK.

1:20:03>> I'M SORRY, I WAS NOT GOING

1:20:05TO SPEAK TO THIS. I DON'T THINK

1:20:07I'M ON SOMETHING ELSE ON THE

1:20:09OVERALL. 17, BUT I AM WAITING

1:20:12TO SEE THE AMENDMENT. I HAVEN'T

1:20:14SEEN GREEN ONE. IT'S OKAY.

1:20:16SORRY.

1:20:18>> OKAY.

1:20:19>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU,

1:20:22COUNCILOR NOVICK.

1:20:24>> SORRY. THANKS, MR. PRESIDENT.

1:20:27SORRY. THIS IS A FURTHER

1:20:28AMENDMENT TO 33. YEAH. OKAY.

1:20:30JUST TO CLARIFY THAT.

1:20:32>> SECTION. IT'S 33. IT'S THE

1:20:33APPROVAL CRITERIA. IT'S

1:20:3833.870.060. AND IT WAS IT WAS

1:20:40SUB ITEM C THAT THAT SORT OF

1:20:43CREATED A 5% EXPANSION

1:20:45ALLOWANCE FOR AVIATION FUEL.

1:20:47AND SO NOW I'M TRYING TO SORT

1:20:49OF REMOVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT.

1:20:51OKAY.

1:20:51>> I JUST I'M GOING TO MAKE A

1:20:53COMMENT I'LL PROBABLY MAKE

1:20:55AGAIN WITH REGARD TO TITLE 17,

1:20:56BUT I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT

1:20:58WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THAT

1:20:59INDUSTRY FOLKS ARE WRITING TO

1:21:00LEGISLATORS NOW SAYING THAT

1:21:02PORTLAND IS GOING TO TAKE AWAY

1:21:03OUR FUEL. AND I AM WORRIED

1:21:06ABOUT LEGISLATIVE PREEMPTION OF

1:21:08WHAT WE DO. AND I THINK THAT IF

1:21:11WE DO ANYTHING FURTHER WITH THE

1:21:13WITH WITH AVIATION, IT

1:21:16INCREASES THE RISK THAT ALASKA

1:21:17AIRLINES WILL RUN TO THE

1:21:18LEGISLATURE AND SAID, WELL, WE

1:21:19WERE GOING TO HAVE DIRECT

1:21:20FLIGHTS TO SEOUL, BUT PORTLAND

1:21:23PORTLAND'S THINK ABOUT FUEL AS

1:21:24PREVENTING US FROM DOING THAT.

1:21:26AND I'M AFRAID THAT IF THE

1:21:28LEGISLATURE IS GOADED TO DOING

1:21:30SOMETHING TO OVERRIDE US ON

1:21:31THAT, THEN THEY MIGHT OVERRIDE

1:21:32US ON EVERYTHING ELSE, TOO. SO

1:21:34I JUST THINK THAT DOING MESSING

1:21:36WITH AVIATION FUEL, WHETHER

1:21:37THERE ARE THESE PROJECTIONS OF

1:21:38INCREASED DEMAND, INCREASES THE

1:21:40RISK OF BEING OVERRIDDEN ON THE

1:21:42WHOLE THING.

1:21:44>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR NOVICK

1:21:46COLLEAGUES, I PUT MYSELF IN THE

1:21:47QUEUE. I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE

1:21:49TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS

1:21:50AMENDMENT. I AM CONVINCED BY

1:21:51OUR FRIENDS AT THE PORT THAT

1:21:53AVIATION FUEL IS DIFFERENT.

1:21:55FIRST OF ALL, PDX IS THE

1:21:57LARGEST SINGLE EMPLOYER IN

1:21:58DISTRICT ONE. IT IS BEAUTIFUL.

1:22:00I WENT THROUGH IT TWICE IN THE

1:22:02LAST WEEK. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE

1:22:04PUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND

1:22:05TIME AND ENERGY INTO THAT

1:22:07AIRPORT IF IT WEREN'T EXPECTED

1:22:09TO, TO WELCOME MILLIONS OF NEW

1:22:11ADDITIONAL GUESTS TO OUR CITY.

1:22:13AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I DO. I

1:22:17AM CONVINCED THAT OR BUY THE

1:22:18ARGUMENT THAT AVIATION FUEL

1:22:19SHOULD BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY.

1:22:20SO I WILL BE A NO ON THIS

1:22:22AMENDMENT. COUNCILOR.

1:22:24PIRTLE-GUINEY.

1:22:25>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.

1:22:29YOU KNOW, AS WE WERE WORKING

1:22:31THROUGH THIS AMENDMENT PROCESS,

1:22:34I WAS LOOKING FOR WAYS THAT WE

1:22:35COULD KEEP THINGS CONSISTENT,

1:22:37KEEP THINGS AS EASY TO NAVIGATE

1:22:42AS POSSIBLE, AND KEEP A TOTAL

1:22:43CAP ON THE AMOUNT OF FUEL IN

1:22:46THE IN THE CITY HUB THAT LOWERS

1:22:49OVER TIME TO REDUCE RISK. AND

1:22:52ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I

1:22:53HAD WITH OUR STAFF, BECAUSE

1:22:55THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR

1:22:56EXPERTS AT THE CITY ARE REALLY

1:22:58IMPORTANT, WAS ABOUT THE TIMING

1:23:01FOR THE REDUCTION IN THE USE OF

1:23:05OTHER FUEL TYPES AND THE

1:23:07INCREASE IN THE USE OF AVIATION

1:23:08FUEL. AND I BECAME CONVINCED IN

1:23:11THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE

1:23:13HAVE A SHORT TERM PROBLEM WHERE

1:23:15OVER THE LONG TERM, WE MAY SEE

1:23:17THE AMOUNT OF REDUCTION WE'RE

1:23:18BETTING ON SEEING THE AMOUNT OF

1:23:20REDUCTION IN OUR OTHER FUELS

1:23:21THAT WILL CREATE SPACE FOR THE

1:23:24EXPANSION WE KNOW IS GOING TO

1:23:25OCCUR IN AVIATION FUEL NEEDS,

1:23:28STORAGE NEEDS IN OUR REGION,

1:23:30BUT THAT IN THE SHORT TERM,

1:23:32THAT INCREASE IN AVIATION FUEL

1:23:34MIGHT OUTPACE THE REDUCTION IN

1:23:35OTHER FUEL TYPES. AND THIS 5%

1:23:39LANGUAGE WAS MEANT TO ALLOW FOR

1:23:42THAT SHORT TERM CAPACITY NEED.

1:23:45I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE

1:23:46KEEP IT IN THERE. A FEW OF MY

1:23:48COLLEAGUES HAVE SPOKEN TO THE

1:23:50PEOPLE, BUT I WANT TO NOTE THAT

1:23:52IN 2025, 200,000 METRIC TONS OF

1:23:55GOODS MOVED THROUGH OUR AIRPORT.

1:23:57AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

1:23:59OUR ECONOMY AND WHEN WE'RE

1:24:00TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN ECONOMY

1:24:02WHERE WE MAKE THINGS THAT WE'RE

1:24:04ABLE TO TRADE WITH OTHER PLACES

1:24:06SO THAT WE CAN BRING MORE MONEY

1:24:08INTO OUR ECONOMY AND GROW WAGES,

1:24:11BUILD WEALTH FOR PEOPLE WHO

1:24:12LIVE HERE. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE

1:24:14TO GET THOSE THINGS WE MAKE TO

1:24:16OTHER PLACES. AND THE AIRPORT

1:24:18IS ONE OF THE WAYS WE DO THAT,

1:24:20AND A WAY WE DO THAT WITHOUT

1:24:22RELYING SOLELY ON TRUCKS ON OUR

1:24:24ROADS. SO I THINK IT'S

1:24:26IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE

1:24:27SERIOUSLY THAT SHORT TERM RUB

1:24:31FOR AVIATION FUEL. I APPRECIATE,

1:24:34COUNCILOR GREEN, THAT YOU DID

1:24:35THIS SEPARATELY FROM THE

1:24:36AMENDMENT, SO WE COULD ALL BE

1:24:38ON THE SAME PAGE IN THAT

1:24:39BROADER AMENDMENT. BUT THAT'S

1:24:40THE REASON THAT I COULDN'T

1:24:42SUPPORT IT THERE AND CAN'T

1:24:43SUPPORT IT SEPARATELY EITHER.

1:24:45>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR

1:24:46PIRTLE-GUINEY COUNCILOR KANAL.

1:24:48>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.

1:24:50I'LL JUST NOTE THAT IN THE

1:24:53EVENT THAT THIS AMENDMENT WERE

1:24:55TO PASS, THERE'D STILL BE THE

1:24:57POSSIBILITY OF INCREASING

1:24:58AVIATION FUEL, JUST REQUIRE

1:24:59MORE AGGRESSIVE DRAWDOWN IN

1:25:00OTHER TYPES OF FUEL. SO I THINK

1:25:03IN TERMS OF THE DEMAND GROWTH,

1:25:05REGARDLESS OF WHERE ONE'S AT ON

1:25:07THE DIFFERENT MODELING,

1:25:09INCREASING THE ALLOWABLE

1:25:12CAPACITY AS A SEPARATE CATEGORY

1:25:13IS, IS DIFFERENT STRUCTURALLY.

1:25:16BUT IF WE WERE TO KEEP IT

1:25:17TOGETHER, MEANING PASSED THIS

1:25:18AMENDMENT, ONE COULD STILL

1:25:20INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF AVIATION

1:25:21FUEL. IT WOULD JUST REQUIRE

1:25:24MORE OF THE OTHER TYPES BEING

1:25:26REDUCED. AND I THINK THAT'S

1:25:27KIND OF A GOOD THING FOR

1:25:29EVERYONE. SO THAT'S THE REASON

1:25:32I I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. AMONG

1:25:34THE MANY OTHERS THAT COUNCILOR

1:25:35GREEN ALREADY LAID OUT. BUT

1:25:38GIVEN THAT IT APPEARED THAT

1:25:40THERE'S NOT REALLY A PATH HERE,

1:25:42I'D REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL

1:25:44PRESIDENT CLOSE THE QUEUE ON

1:25:45THIS ONE.

1:25:47>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR KANAL

1:25:49AFTER COUNCILOR SMITH GOES, I

1:25:51WILL LIMIT DEBATE IN THE QUEUE

1:25:53TO ON THE DISCUSSION ON THIS.

1:25:55SO COUNCILOR SMITH OH YEAH. I

1:25:57MEAN, AFTER I WILL LIMIT THE

1:25:58DEBATE TO THOSE WHO ARE IN THE

1:26:00QUEUE AFTER COUNCILOR SMITH

1:26:01ENDS.

1:26:02>> THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH

1:26:03COUNCIL PRESIDENT. AVIATION

1:26:06FUEL IS DIFFERENT AND I WILL

1:26:08NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS

1:26:10AMENDMENT. THANK YOU.

1:26:12>> OKAY, COLLEAGUES, I'M

1:26:13LIMITING DEBATE TO THOSE WHO

1:26:14ARE IN THE QUEUE RIGHT NOW,

1:26:16COUNCILOR RYAN.

1:26:22>> THERE WE GO. SORRY FOR MY

1:26:25DELAYS. I REALLY APPRECIATE

1:26:26WHAT COUNCIL PRESIDENT SAID.

1:26:28THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

1:26:31AND I ALSO WANT TO JUST ADD

1:26:32THAT WE ALSO SAW THIS WEEK THAT

1:26:34TRAVEL PORTLAND'S INVESTING 4.5

1:26:36MILLION TO GET PDX NONSTOP

1:26:38FLIGHTS TO ASIA. WE JUST CAN'T

1:26:40AFFORD TO JEOPARDIZE JOBS IN

1:26:42TOURISM TO OUR CITY AND STATE

1:26:43WHEN WE ARE STRUGGLING RIGHT

1:26:44NOW. SO IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE

1:26:46CONTINUE TO PROVIDE AN

1:26:47EXCEPTION, AN EXEMPTION FOR

1:26:49AVIATION FUEL. THANK YOU.

1:26:52>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR RYAN

1:26:53COUNCILOR MORILLO.

1:26:55>> THANK YOU. I'LL BE QUICK

1:26:56BECAUSE IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS

1:26:57AMENDMENT IS GOING TO FAIL. BUT

1:26:59THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GREEN, FOR

1:27:00BRINGING THIS FORWARD. AND

1:27:01THANK YOU TO THE ADVOCATES FOR

1:27:03ASKING FOR IT AS WELL. BACK

1:27:04WHEN WE WERE WHEN WE HAD A

1:27:06CLIMATE COMMITTEE, SOMETHING

1:27:07THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS THAT

1:27:08THESE RENEWABLE FUELS THAT ARE

1:27:09PAINTED TO BE BETTER ARE NOT

1:27:11NECESSARILY BETTER BECAUSE OF

1:27:12HOW THEY'RE PRODUCED AND THE

1:27:13CARBON OFFSETS THAT HAPPEN IN

1:27:15THAT ENTIRE CYCLE. SO I THINK

1:27:18THAT SUSTAINABLE AVIATION IS

1:27:19NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO CREATE

1:27:22THE CARBON AVIATION THAT WE

1:27:23ACTUALLY WANT TO HAPPEN. I, I

1:27:27ALSO THINK THAT, YES, I

1:27:29APPRECIATE ALL THE BEAUTIFUL

1:27:30CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO OUR

1:27:31AIRPORT, THE ATTEMPTS TO UPLIFT

1:27:33OUR ECONOMY. AND ALSO ALL OF

1:27:35THAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE

1:27:38PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

1:27:39ENTERED US INTO A VERY LONG

1:27:41LOSING WAR. AND SO THERE HAVE

1:27:43JUST BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES THAT

1:27:44HAVE HAPPENED ECONOMICALLY. OUR

1:27:47VISITS INTERNATIONALLY ARE

1:27:49GREATLY REDUCED. PEOPLE ARE NOT

1:27:51COMING TO THE U.S. THE WAY THEY

1:27:53USED TO IN GENERAL. AND SO I

1:27:55THINK THAT WE SHOULD ACCOUNT

1:27:56FOR THAT. THE NEW THINGS THAT

1:27:58HAVE HAPPENED IN THIS TIME FOR

1:27:59THIS AMENDMENT. SO I WILL BE

1:28:01SUPPORTIVE OF IT. I APPRECIATE

1:28:02THE ATTEMPTS TO DO EVERYTHING

1:28:04WE CAN TO TO DRAW DOWN THOSE

1:28:06FUELS.

1:28:07>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR MORILLO

1:28:08COUNCILOR AVALOS.

1:28:10>> THANK YOU. YEAH, I REALLY

1:28:13STRUGGLED WITH THIS. I HAVE

1:28:15BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS

1:28:16BECAUSE I GENUINELY DO SEE THE

1:28:20ARGUMENT ON EACH SIDE OF IT.

1:28:22OBVIOUSLY, AS A DISTRICT ONE

1:28:24COUNCILOR, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT,

1:28:25YOU KNOW, PRESERVING JOBS IN

1:28:27OUR DISTRICT AND AT THE AIRPORT.

1:28:30I ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I

1:28:32WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE

1:28:33ACTUAL IMPACT WOULD BE ON JOBS.

1:28:35AND I GOT THE ANSWER. AND I

1:28:37DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE

1:28:39ANSWER, I THINK, SURE, MAYBE.

1:28:42BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A

1:28:43CASE FOR MAKING THIS AMENDMENT

1:28:46BASED ON WHAT COUNCILOR KANAL

1:28:47JUST SAID. SO I WON'T REPEAT

1:28:49THAT. AND SO EVEN THOUGH IT

1:28:51LOOKS LIKE IT PROBABLY WON'T

1:28:53PASS, I THINK I'M GOING TO

1:28:54SUPPORT IT TO JUST SHOW THE

1:28:57VALUE THAT I'M TRYING TO

1:28:58SUPPORT HERE. AND I DO THINK IT

1:29:01IS A CONTINUED CONVERSATION WE

1:29:02NEED TO HAVE. I'M GRATEFUL TO

1:29:05ALL THE FOLKS THAT I WAS ABLE

1:29:07TO TALK TO ON BOTH SIDES OF

1:29:08THIS ISSUE, TO JUST UNDERSTAND

1:29:11THEIR POSITIONS, AND I THINK

1:29:12THE POSITION I'M LANDING IS I'M

1:29:14GOING TO VOTE YES TO SUPPORT

1:29:16THE EFFORT. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE

1:29:17WORK TO DO. I KNOW THAT NOT

1:29:19EVERYBODY ON THE COUNCIL IS

1:29:20CONVINCED, AND I THINK THERE

1:29:22COULD BE ANOTHER WAY IN THE

1:29:23FUTURE TO ADDRESS THIS. SO MY

1:29:25YES VOTE IS TO SHOW THAT VALUE

1:29:27AND TO ENCOURAGE US AS A

1:29:28COUNCIL TO KEEP DISCUSSING THIS,

1:29:30BECAUSE THE BROADER ISSUE NEEDS

1:29:32TO BE ADDRESSED, EVEN IF THIS

1:29:34MIGHT NOT BE THE WAY THAT GETS

1:29:36MOST COUNCILORS TO YES ON. I

1:29:37THINK THAT WE CAN AGREE. WE

1:29:39NEED TO CONTINUE ASSESSING THE

1:29:41ROLE OF AVIATION FUEL IN IN OUR

1:29:44STORAGE. AND SO I WILL SUPPORT

1:29:45IT TODAY. BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO

1:29:47HAVING MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH

1:29:49THE PORT ABOUT HOW WE CAN

1:29:51CONTINUE ADDRESSING THE SAME

1:29:53VALUE THAT I THINK WE ALL SHARE,

1:29:55INCLUDING THE PORT, AS PER THE

1:29:57CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAD, AND

1:29:58DO IT IN A WAY THAT MEETS THE

1:30:00COMMUNITY'S NEEDS AS WELL. SO I

1:30:02WILL SUPPORT IT TODAY. THANKS.

1:30:03>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR AVALOS.

1:30:05KEELAN, CAN WE PLEASE CALL THE

1:30:06ROLL ON GREEN?

1:30:08>> ONE MOVE BY GREEN. SECONDED

1:30:10BY KANAL CLERK. NO GREEN. AYE,

1:30:14MORILLO ZIMMERMAN.

1:30:15>> NO.

1:30:16>> AVALOS. AYE, MORILLO SMITH.

1:30:19>> NO.

1:30:19>> KANAL I.

1:30:21>> PIRTLE-GUINEY. NO.

1:30:24>> RYAN.

1:30:26>> NO. KOYAMA LANE I. MORILLO I.

1:30:30>> NOVICK.

1:30:31>> NO.

1:30:32>> DUNFEE.

1:30:32>> NO.

1:30:33>> THE AMENDMENT FAILS WITH A

1:30:35VOTE OF FIVE EYES AND SEVEN

1:30:36NAYS.

1:30:37>> THANK YOU. COLLEAGUES. ARE

1:30:40THERE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS ON

1:30:42THIS ITEM? COUNCILOR KANAL WAS

1:30:47THERE AMENDMENT TO THIS? OKAY,

1:30:51I THINK WE HAVE MADE OUR WAY

1:30:52THROUGH ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS

1:30:54AT THIS POINT. OKAY, HERE WE GO.

1:31:00I HAVE A SCRIPT. SORRY. I KNOW,

1:31:05HONESTLY, WE'RE DOING BETTER IN

1:31:06TIME THAN I THOUGHT WE WOULD.

1:31:07TWO GUYS, ITEM 2026-311. THE

1:31:11ORDINANCE FOR THE RECOMMENDED

1:31:13DRAFT OF THE CEI HUB POLICY

1:31:15PROJECT IS CONTINUED TO AN

1:31:16ADDITIONAL MEETING BEFORE THE

1:31:17CITY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 5TH,

1:31:202026 AT 2:00 P M. AT THAT TIME,

1:31:23COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER THE

1:31:24REVISED ORDINANCE WITH REVISED

1:31:25SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING

1:31:27FINDINGS AND TECHNICAL

1:31:28CONFORMING AMENDMENTS, TO

1:31:29IMPLEMENT THE AMENDMENTS THAT

1:31:30WERE ADOPTED TODAY. ITEM

1:31:362026-31208. SORRY, I'M READING

1:31:43MY NOTES. OKAY, I WAS READING

1:31:50THE WRONG SCRIPT. GREAT. IT

1:31:51LOOKS LIKE WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE

1:31:52TIME TO MOVE ON TO TITLE 17

1:31:54ELEMENTS TODAY. I'M GOING TO

1:31:55GIVE US A QUICK RECESS. IT IS

1:31:58330. WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH. SO

1:31:59I'M GOING TO GIVE US A 15

1:32:01MINUTE RECESS BACK AT 345. AT

1:32:03THAT POINT, WE WILL CONTINUE TO

1:32:04ITEM 2026-312.

1:46:57>> SO SOMETIMES I HEAR ABOUT.

1:46:59>> ALL RIGHT. WELCOME BACK

1:47:01EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR

1:47:02PATIENCE. COLLEAGUES. WE ARE

1:47:04NOW IN CONSIDERATION OF

1:47:06DOCUMENT 2026 312. I'D LIKE TO

1:47:10RECOGNIZE COUNCILOR GREEN TO

1:47:11INTRODUCE THE GREEN

1:47:12PIRTLE-GUINEY KANAL CLERK

1:47:14KOYAMA LANE TWO AMENDMENT

1:47:15COUNCILOR. LET'S RINSE AND

1:47:17REPEAT THE PROCESS HERE WITH

1:47:18OUR STAFF AND TO HAND TO WALK

1:47:22US THROUGH THE DETAILS. AFTER

1:47:23THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO

1:47:24COUNCILOR NOVICK AMENDMENTS AND

1:47:25THEN TO COUNCILOR KANAL

1:47:26AMENDMENTS. SO, COUNCILOR GREEN,

1:47:27YOU WANT TO CUE US UP AND THEN

1:47:29WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR TEAM.

1:47:31>> YEAH. THANKS SO MUCH. THIS

1:47:32IS ONCE AGAIN GREEN

1:47:33PIRTLE-GUINEY KANAL CLERK AND

1:47:35KOYAMA LANE TO TAKE UP ONE

1:47:38AMENDMENT THAT MOVES

1:47:40ESSENTIALLY FIVE AMENDMENTS

1:47:44THAT DEAL WITH FUEL REDUCTION

1:47:46PROGRAM AMENDMENTS. AND WE ALSO

1:47:49HAVE HAVE PULLED IN NOVICK TWO

1:47:53AND THREE INTO SORT OF THE BODY

1:47:56OF THOSE AMENDMENTS TO KIND OF

1:47:58BECAUSE I THINK WE, YOU KNOW,

1:47:59WE AGREE WITH THOSE AND SORT OF

1:48:01WANTED IT TO BE A AN EASIER

1:48:03PATH. SO. COUNCILOR NOVICK

1:48:05DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

1:48:06AND SO WE DID THAT, BUT NOT WE

1:48:08DID NOT PULL NOVICK ONE INTO IT.

1:48:10SO, TOM, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US

1:48:12THE THE FLYOVER, GO AHEAD.

1:48:14THANKS.

1:48:15>> SURE. SO THE FIRST AMENDMENT

1:48:18OF THIS PACKAGE IS A DIRECTIVE

1:48:21IN THE ORDINANCE FOR ADDITIONAL

1:48:23WORK. AND THIS REALLY SPEAKS TO

1:48:26WHAT WE HEARD IN THE PUBLIC

1:48:27TESTIMONY ABOUT WHAT'S BEFORE

1:48:29YOU IN THE TITLE 17 REGULATES

1:48:32STORAGE TANK CAPACITY. PHYSICAL

1:48:34CAPACITY AND THE DESIRE TO MOVE

1:48:37TOWARDS A REGULATORY PROGRAM

1:48:40THAT IS MORE ABOUT FILL LEVELS

1:48:42AND FUEL VOLUMES, AND THAT IT

1:48:45ACKNOWLEDGES WHAT WE REALLY

1:48:46NEED IS THE DATA REPORTED FROM

1:48:48THE TERMINALS THAT IS REQUIRED

1:48:50BY THIS ORDINANCE TO BE ABLE TO

1:48:52REALLY FINE TUNE AND ADJUST

1:48:54THAT SORT OF PROCESS, AND TO

1:48:57MAKE THAT A REGULATORY PIVOT.

1:49:00AND SO WHAT THIS IS, IS A

1:49:02DIRECTIVE TO GET THAT DATA THAT

1:49:06IS THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE

1:49:07REPORTED TO THE CITY BY MARCH

1:49:0931ST OF 2027. AND THEN WE WOULD

1:49:12LOOK AT PROCESS THAT DATA AND,

1:49:13AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO

1:49:15TRY AND COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL

1:49:18TO COUNCIL BY SEPTEMBER 1ST, TO

1:49:23LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES TO

1:49:26REGULATING STORAGE TANK

1:49:27CAPACITY. SO THAT'S THE FIRST

1:49:30AMENDMENT, THE SECOND AMENDMENT,

1:49:32YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT REDUCTION

1:49:36REGULATIONS THAT KICK IN IN

1:49:392036, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF

1:49:42EXEMPTIONS. AND ONE OF THOSE

1:49:44EXEMPTIONS APPLIES TO AVIATION

1:49:49EXISTING AS OF JANUARY 1ST,

1:49:522027, AVIATION FUEL STORAGE

1:49:55CAPACITY. THE PROPOSAL IS TO

1:49:57REMOVE THAT EXEMPTION. AND THEN

1:50:00WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, OF, OF

1:50:02CLEANUP TO BE CONSISTENT WITH

1:50:04THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE IN

1:50:07TITLE 33. THAT'S AMENDMENT TWO,

1:50:12AMENDMENT THREE IS SOME CHANGES

1:50:15TO THE THE REPORTING

1:50:17REQUIREMENTS. AGAIN, SORT OF

1:50:19REFLECTING ON WHAT WE HEARD IN

1:50:20PUBLIC TESTIMONY THAT IT FILLS

1:50:24OUT SOME SOME OF THE DIFFERENT

1:50:26REPORTING REQUIREMENTS. IT ALSO

1:50:29SHIFTS FROM WHAT WE HAD AS A

1:50:33SORT OF EVERY 2 OR 3 YEAR

1:50:34REPORTING REQUIREMENT TO AN

1:50:36ANNUAL REPORTING REQUIREMENT,

1:50:38BOTH FOR THE TERMINALS AND THEN

1:50:40IN TURN FOR AND THIS IS WHERE

1:50:43WE PULLED IN NOVICK THREE IS TO

1:50:47THEN TURN AROUND THAT DATA AND

1:50:49REPORT TO COUNCIL EACH YEAR AS

1:50:54TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING, BOTH IN

1:50:56TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING FROM

1:50:58THE TERMINALS THEMSELVES, BUT

1:51:00ALSO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS

1:51:01OF, OF THE THE FUEL DEMAND

1:51:04FORECASTS AND THE ACTUAL

1:51:06CONSUMPTION RATE DATA. SO THAT

1:51:09COUNCIL IS INFORMED AND, AND

1:51:11CAN MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS THAT

1:51:14THEY SEE FIT. THE FOURTH ONE

1:51:16WAS JUST A SMALL CHANGE TO THE

1:51:20PENALTY. CLAUSE, JUST A A

1:51:25CHEWING UP OF THE LANGUAGE IN

1:51:27THAT IN THAT CODE, AGAIN, THE

1:51:31FIFTH AMENDMENT IS A ANOTHER

1:51:34DIRECTIVE. THIS AGAIN IS SORT

1:51:37OF PULLING IN NOVICK THREE, BUT

1:51:41JUST SORT OF REAFFIRMING

1:51:43COUNCIL'S COMMITMENT TO

1:51:45CONTINUE AND ENGAGE THE

1:51:47COMMUNITY AND ALL OF THE

1:51:50PARTNERS, THE OPERATORS, THE

1:51:51STATE AGENCIES ON, ON LOOKING

1:51:56AT THE RISKS IN THE HUB AND

1:51:57WHAT WE CAN DO TO REDUCE THE

1:51:59RISKS OUT THERE.

1:52:02>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, TOM AND

1:52:05COLLEAGUES. I WOULD MOVE I

1:52:07WOULD FORMALLY MOVE THIS

1:52:08AMENDMENT.

1:52:10>> SECOND. SECOND.

1:52:13>> COUNCILOR GREEN MOVES. I'M

1:52:14GOING TO SAY COUNCILOR KOYAMA

1:52:16LANE SECONDS THAT ONE.

1:52:17COLLEAGUES, WE ARE NOW IN

1:52:18DISCUSSION OF THE GREEN.

1:52:22PIRTLE-GUINEY. KANAL CLERK

1:52:23KOYAMA LANE TWO AMENDMENTS.

1:52:25COUNCILOR. NOVICK.

1:52:27>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I

1:52:29APOLOGIZE FOR NOT LOOKING

1:52:30CLOSELY AT THIS. THE LANGUAGE

1:52:31ABOUT LATEST FUEL PROJECTIONS

1:52:33FOR THE NEXT DECADE. I THINK,

1:52:34ACTUALLY, I'D SUGGESTED THE

1:52:36OREGON DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY'S

1:52:37PROJECTIONS OF FUEL DEMAND FOR

1:52:39THE NEXT DECADE, BUT MAYBE WE

1:52:40DON'T NEED TO SPECIFY THAT.

1:52:41MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU

1:52:43WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GIVE TO US

1:52:46IF WE PASS THIS LANGUAGE.

1:52:49>> THE WE RELIED ON MULTIPLE

1:52:52FORECASTS AND PROJECTIONS, AND

1:52:53SO WE JUST RATHER THAN BE

1:52:56SPECIFIC AND WHO KNOWS WHERE

1:52:59DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY WILL BE.

1:53:00THEY. THEY ONLY DO IT EVERY TWO

1:53:02YEARS. OKAY. THE FEDS COME OUT

1:53:04EVERY YEAR. SO WE JUST LEFT IT

1:53:08UNSPECIFIED. SO WE CAN PULL

1:53:09FROM DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT DATA.

1:53:10>> OKAY. SO YOU WOULD PLAN TO

1:53:12LOOK AT ALL THOSE SOURCES.

1:53:13THANK YOU.

1:53:14>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR NOVICK

1:53:15VICE PRESIDENT CLERK.

1:53:17>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.

1:53:19I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO DIVIDE

1:53:21THE QUESTION IN TITLE 17 TO

1:53:23SEPARATE THE VOTE ON AMENDMENT

1:53:24TWO.

1:53:26>> OKAY. THAT IS A MOTION BY

1:53:28RIGHT THAT IS SPECIFICALLY TO

1:53:30VOTE SEPARATELY ON AMENDMENT.

1:53:31THE SECTION TITLED AMENDMENT

1:53:33TWO AROUND AVIATION FUEL

1:53:34EXEMPTIONS AND REMAIN. LEAVE

1:53:36THE REMAINDER OF THE PACKAGE

1:53:38AMENDMENTS ONE, THREE, FOUR AND

1:53:39FIVE AS A WHOLE.

1:53:40>> YES, EXACTLY. AND I THINK

1:53:41I'M ALLOWED TO MAKE COMMENTS.

1:53:43ABSOLUTELY. I'M OBVIOUSLY VERY

1:53:46SUPPORTIVE OF THE WHOLE PACKAGE,

1:53:48BUT I DO HAVE RESERVATIONS ON

1:53:50THE IMPACT THAT THIS IS GOING

1:53:52TO PLACE ON THE PORT OF

1:53:53PORTLAND. SO I'M ASKING TO

1:53:55DIVIDE THE QUESTION SO THAT WE

1:53:57CAN VOTE ON AN AMENDMENT IN

1:53:59TITLE 17. I JUST WANT TO SAY

1:54:02THAT THE PORTLAND AIRPORT, I

1:54:03THINK WE'VE ALREADY HEARD SOME

1:54:05ABOUT THAT. THIS IS A MAJOR

1:54:07ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR OUR REGION,

1:54:09AND PARTICULARLY IN DISTRICT

1:54:11ONE AS WELL, AND RECEIVES ALL

1:54:13OF THE AVIATION FUEL FUEL FROM

1:54:15THE SEA HUB. I ALSO WANT TO SAY

1:54:17THAT THE PORT OF PORTLAND IS A

1:54:19SISTER GOVERNMENT TO US. I

1:54:21BELIEVE THE PORT OF PORTLAND IS

1:54:23A GOOD ACTOR AND WITH A MAJOR

1:54:26EXPANSION THAT WE'VE HEARD

1:54:28ABOUT AN INCREASED FLIGHT

1:54:29ACTIVITY, IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE

1:54:30IS AND THERE WILL CONTINUE TO

1:54:32BE AN INCREASED DEMAND FOR JET

1:54:33FUEL. THERE'S ALSO THE NEED TO

1:54:36SUPPORT THE AIRLINES AS THEY

1:54:37EXPAND THE USE OF SUSTAINABLE

1:54:39AVIATION FUEL, WHICH IS

1:54:41IMPORTANT TO ADVANCING CLIMATE

1:54:42GOALS AND DECARBONIZATION. AND

1:54:44I THINK WE LEARNED IN AN

1:54:46EARLIER PUBLIC HEARING THAT THE

1:54:47ADOPTION OF SUSTAINABLE

1:54:49AVIATION FUELS WILL REQUIRE

1:54:51CAPACITY TO ALLOW FOR BLENDING.

1:54:54I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN ALSO

1:54:56CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE PORT

1:54:59TO INCREASE THEIR STORAGE

1:55:01CAPACITY AT THE PORT. I KNOW

1:55:03THEY'RE REPLACING TANKS RIGHT

1:55:04NOW, AND I WOULD LIKE TO

1:55:05BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY

1:55:07INCREASE AND HAVE MORE STORAGE

1:55:09AT THE PORT. THAT'S A

1:55:10CONVERSATION THAT WE SHOULD

1:55:12CONTINUE TO HAVE. SO TO ENSURE

1:55:14THE ABILITY OF THE PORT TO

1:55:15SUPPORT INCREASED DEMAND AND

1:55:17ECONOMIC ACTIVITY FOR OUR

1:55:18REGION, AS WELL AS CRITICAL

1:55:20CARBON REDUCTIONS, WE NEED TO

1:55:22ALLOW FOR THE EXEMPTION OF

1:55:23AVIATION FUEL.

1:55:25>> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT

1:55:27CLARK. OKAY.

1:55:29>> POINT OF INFORMATION.

1:55:31>> OH.

1:55:31>> IS IT JUST IS IT JUST

1:55:34REMOVING TWO. AND THEN WE WOULD

1:55:36VOTE ON ONE AND THREE AS ONE.

1:55:38OR ARE WE VOTING ON ONE, TWO

1:55:39AND THREE SEPARATELY.

1:55:40>> SORRY TO THE TOP PART HERE.

1:55:42SECTION UNDER THE GREEN

1:55:44PIRTLE-GUINEY ET AL. IT WILL

1:55:46PULL OUT JUST AMENDMENT TWO. SO

1:55:48WE WILL HAVE TWO SEPARATE VOTES.

1:55:49WILL VOTE ON AMENDMENT TWO CODE,

1:55:52REMOVE AVIATION FUEL EXEMPTION

1:55:53AND THEN A SEPARATE VOTE.

1:55:55AMENDMENTS ONE, THREE, FOUR AND

1:55:56FIVE.

1:55:57>> OKAY.

1:55:59>> OKAY. COUNCILOR GREEN.

1:56:02>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.

1:56:04I THINK GENERALLY THE CARRIER

1:56:06GETS TO CHOOSE THE ORDER IN

1:56:07WHICH THE PIECES ARE TAKEN.

1:56:11COUNCILOR. PIRTLE-GUINEY. AND I

1:56:12HAVE JUST SORT OF TALKED ABOUT

1:56:13WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE UP THE

1:56:15VOTE ON AMENDMENT TWO, THAT

1:56:16WHICH IS BEING PULLED OUT. JUST

1:56:19GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY FIRST,

1:56:20AND THEN WE WOULD PROCEED TO

1:56:21THE REST. THE REST OF THE ITEMS.

1:56:23>> SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. FURTHER

1:56:26DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.

1:56:27COUNCILOR. PIRTLE-GUINEY.

1:56:29>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

1:56:30>> PRESIDENT COUNCILOR CLARK.

1:56:32WE TRIED TO MAKE THIS EASY FOR

1:56:34FOLKS TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE

1:56:35DIFFERENT SECTIONS, BUT I'M

1:56:37NOTICING THAT IN THIS DASH TWO

1:56:40AMENDMENT TO ALSO INCLUDES THE

1:56:42CLEAN UP LANGUAGE IN THE THE

1:56:46NEW SEA. OR IF. IF THIS PIECE

1:56:49DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD, WHAT

1:56:50WOULD BE DE AROUND TRANS

1:56:52LOADING CAPACITY AND EXPANSION.

1:56:53SO I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR

1:56:55STAFF. AND. WELL, LET ME START

1:56:57WITH THE QUESTION FOR YOU,

1:56:58COUNCILOR CLARK, IS YOUR

1:56:59INTENTION TO REMOVE THAT ALSO

1:57:01OR IS THAT ANCILLARY DAMAGE?

1:57:04>> MY INTENTION IS TO REMOVE

1:57:05THE ENTIRE PIECE.

1:57:07>> OKAY. INCLUDING THE CHANGES

1:57:09ON TRANS LOADING CAPACITY AND

1:57:10EXPANSION. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU.

1:57:13>> IS THERE A QUESTION FOR

1:57:14STAFF? ALSO.

1:57:15>> MY QUESTION FOR STAFF WOULD

1:57:17HAVE BEEN IF THAT WAS NOT THE

1:57:19POLICY INTENTION, WHETHER WE

1:57:20WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT THAT BACK

1:57:22IN IN CONFORMING AMENDMENTS,

1:57:23BECAUSE I WORRY ABOUT

1:57:24CONFORMING WITH TITLE 33 THERE.

1:57:26BUT IF THE INTENTION IS TO

1:57:27REMOVE THAT, THEN MY QUESTION

1:57:30FOR STAFF IS MOOT.

1:57:31>> PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

1:57:32COUNCILOR. PIRTLE-GUINEY.

1:57:33COUNCILOR. NOVICK.

1:57:35>> CLARIFYING QUESTION. ARE WE

1:57:37TO SPEAK NOW TO WHAT WE THINK

1:57:40ABOUT THIS REMOVAL, OR JUST

1:57:41WHAT WE THINK ABOUT DIVIDING

1:57:43THE QUESTION.

1:57:44>> WE'RE DISCUSSING? WE'RE IN

1:57:45DISCUSSION OF THE OVERALL

1:57:46AMENDMENT.

1:57:47>> OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO SAY

1:57:50THAT, AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY, I

1:57:53THINK THAT MESSING WITH THE

1:57:54PORT INVITES LEGISLATIVE

1:57:56PREEMPTION. AND I'M AFRAID IF

1:57:57THEY PREEMPT US ON THIS,

1:57:58THEY'LL PREEMPT US ON OTHER

1:57:59THINGS TOO. BUT I ALSO WANTED

1:58:01TO SAY FLYING IS REALLY BAD FOR

1:58:03THE ENVIRONMENT. AND, YOU KNOW,

1:58:04MAYBE WE'LL GET TO SUSTAINABLE

1:58:06AVIATION FUEL. THAT'LL BE

1:58:07BETTER. BUT RIGHT NOW YOU CAN

1:58:09BE REALLY GOOD ABOUT THE

1:58:10ENVIRONMENT, A LOT OF THINGS.

1:58:12BUT YOU TAKE A TRANSCONTINENTAL

1:58:13FLIGHT AND YOU'RE EMITTING A

1:58:14HELL OF A LOT OF POLLUTION. SO

1:58:17I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO

1:58:18INTERPRET MY SAYING THAT. I

1:58:20THINK THAT WE NEED TO TREAT

1:58:22AVIATION FUEL DIFFERENTLY

1:58:23BECAUSE OF WHAT I THINK THE

1:58:25LEGISLATURE MIGHT DO TO US. I

1:58:26DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO INTERPRET

1:58:27THAT AS MY SAYING FLYING IS

1:58:29GOOD BECAUSE IT'S BAD.

1:58:32>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR. NOVICK.

1:58:34COUNCILOR. MORILLO.

1:58:36>> COUNCILOR CLARK, COULD YOU

1:58:37JUST CLARIFY FOR THIS PART? SO

1:58:39YOU WANTED TO REMOVE ALL OF

1:58:41AMENDMENT TWO, BUT COULD YOU

1:58:42CLARIFY BASED ON COUNCILOR

1:58:44PIRTLE-GUINEY QUESTION? WHY NOT

1:58:45JUST REMOVE THE AVIATION PART

1:58:47AND THEN KEEP THE REST?

1:58:51>> HE DOES. I THINK HE DOES

1:58:53THAT. IT REMOVES AVIATION FUEL

1:58:55STORAGE.

1:58:57>> BUT YOU WANT TO.

1:58:58>> REMOVE.

1:58:58>> ALL AMENDMENT.

1:58:59>> I WOULD I WANT IT ALL TO BE

1:59:01GONE.

1:59:02>> OKAY, I UNDERSTAND.

1:59:04>> TOM.

1:59:04>> IF I COULD THAT LAST PART D

1:59:08THE REFERENCE TO THE AVIATION

1:59:10FUEL STORAGE EXPANSION REVIEW

1:59:13IS A IS A CONFORMING AMENDMENT

1:59:16TO REFLECT THE TITLE 33 CHANGES.

1:59:19SO I SUGGEST THAT YOU EITHER

1:59:20LEAVE THAT THERE OR WE CAN

1:59:23ADDRESS IT WITH IN THE

1:59:25TECHNICAL CONFORMING AMENDMENTS

1:59:26THAT YOU'LL SEE ON NOVEMBER 5TH.

1:59:29>> I WOULD PREFER THAT WE JUST

1:59:31DEAL WITH IT IN THE TECHNICAL

1:59:32AMENDMENTS AND NOT DO IT NOW.

1:59:35>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

1:59:37COUNCILOR. MORILLO. COUNCILOR

1:59:38KANAL.

1:59:41>> YEAH, I APPRECIATE THIS

1:59:43CONVERSATION. I WILL BE VOTING

1:59:44YES ON THIS AMENDMENT. SO JUST

1:59:46TO CLARIFY, WE'RE DEBATING

1:59:47WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE

1:59:49AMENDMENT TWO RIGHT NOW. AND

1:59:50THEN WE WILL TAKE A VOTE IN

1:59:52WHICH, YES IS TO DO AMENDMENT

1:59:53TWO. AND NO IS NOT.

1:59:55>> WE ARE STILL IN DISCUSSION

1:59:56OF THE OVERALL GREEN

1:59:57PIRTLE-GUINEY KANAL CLARK

1:59:59KOYAMA LANE TWO.

1:59:59>> THOUGHT IT HAD BEEN DIVIDED.

2:00:00>> BUT THE QUESTION HAS BEEN

2:00:02DIVIDED FOR THE PURPOSES OF

2:00:03VOTING. BUT WE ARE STILL IN THE

2:00:05DISCUSSION.

2:00:06>> OKAY, WELL THEN I'LL DO BOTH

2:00:07PARTS TOGETHER HERE. SO WITH

2:00:08RELATION TO PART TWO, FIRST,

2:00:11THE SAME QUESTION ISSUE THAT

2:00:13WAS RAISED BY COUNCILORS

2:00:15PIRTLE-GUINEY AND MORILLO. THE

2:00:18THE CHANGE IN WHAT THAT REVIEW

2:00:20DOES TO INCLUDE TRANS LOADING

2:00:23CAPACITY. AND THAT'S REALLY

2:00:24SIGNIFICANT IN OTHER PARTS OF

2:00:25IT. AND SO KEEPING THAT TEXT IN,

2:00:28AS WAS JUST MENTIONED BY STAFF,

2:00:30EXCUSE ME, AS WAS MENTIONED BY

2:00:32STAFF, IS REALLY IMPORTANT. SO

2:00:34I'LL BE SUPPORTING THAT. I ALSO

2:00:35THINK THAT THE THE SAME

2:00:37ARGUMENTS IS APPLIED IN THE

2:00:38PREVIOUS ORDINANCE AROUND THE

2:00:40IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN

2:00:42STILL INCREASE. I THINK THERE'S

2:00:44A THERE'S A IT'S BEING

2:00:46CHARACTERIZED AS DOING. THIS

2:00:48MEANS THE PORT CAN'T EXPAND

2:00:49WHAT IT DOES. I DON'T THINK

2:00:51THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

2:00:52PORT CAN EXPAND WHAT IT DOES.

2:00:54IT'S JUST THAT FOR THE FOLKS

2:00:55WHO ARE OPERATING TANKS AT THE

2:00:58CEI HUB, THEY WOULD HAVE TO

2:00:59REDUCE OTHER FUELS

2:01:03PROPORTIONATE TO THE INCREASE

2:01:05IN CAPACITY FOR FOR AVIATION

2:01:08FUEL. THIS IS WHAT OTHER

2:01:10BUSINESSES DO. THIS IS PRETTY

2:01:12NORMAL. YOU KNOW, YOU CREATE

2:01:13MORE SHELF SPACE FOR THE STUFF

2:01:15THAT'S SELLING. AND I THINK

2:01:16IT'S, IT'S THE IDEA THAT IF

2:01:17THERE IS THIS GROWTH THAT IS

2:01:19BEING MODELED IN AVIATION FUEL

2:01:22NEED AND DEMAND THAT THERE IS A,

2:01:25A, A SINGULAR ASSESSMENT THAT'S

2:01:28BEING DONE HERE OF EVERYTHING

2:01:29TOGETHER. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE

2:01:31UNDERLYING ARGUMENT HERE. SO

2:01:32I'LL BE SUPPORTING THAT. I

2:01:33DON'T NECESSARILY THINK WE NEED

2:01:35WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY ARGUMENT

2:01:37AGAINST THE THE REST OF IT. SO

2:01:39I'LL JUST SIMPLY STATE I

2:01:40SUPPORT IT AND I APPRECIATE ALL

2:01:42THE FOLKS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN

2:01:43IT, IN PARTICULAR THE ADVOCATES

2:01:45AND THE TEAMS OF STAFF FROM MY

2:01:48COLLEAGUES UP HERE. THANKS.

2:01:49>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR KANAL

2:01:50COUNCILOR GREEN.

2:01:52>> THANK YOU. JUST SPEAKING TO

2:01:55THE AMENDMENT TWO PART FOR A

2:01:57MOMENT, JUST TO JUST FOR FOLKS

2:02:00TO UNDERSTAND THE REASON WHY

2:02:02THAT WAS STRIKING THAT

2:02:03EXEMPTION IS BECAUSE THE SORT

2:02:05OF COMPROMISE PIECE WAS WE'RE

2:02:07GOING TO PUT WE'RE PUTTING

2:02:08WE'RE CREATING THIS SHORT TERM

2:02:10RELIEF VALVE. IN TITLE 33 FOR

2:02:15THE PORT'S EXPANSION OF OF

2:02:18AVIATION FUEL. AND SO

2:02:21ULTIMATELY, THIS IS ALL

2:02:22GOVERNED BY THE TITLE 33.

2:02:27CAPACITY REVIEW. AND SO TAKE IT

2:02:30OR LEAVE IT. THAT WAS THE

2:02:31MOTIVATION WHY THIS PART WAS

2:02:33STRUCK ON THE EXEMPTION, WHILE

2:02:35THE OTHER PART LIVED ON. I WILL

2:02:41BE SO I WILL BE VOTING YES ON

2:02:43THIS. I ALWAYS GET CONFUSED. I

2:02:45GET BACKWARDS ON THE DIVISION

2:02:46OF THE QUESTION PIECE. SO. SO

2:02:48I'LL BE I'LL BE SUPPORTING TOO.

2:02:49AND THEN I ALSO JUST WANT TO

2:02:51DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE

2:02:52FIRST PART OF THIS AMENDMENT,

2:02:54WHICH IS THE DIRECTIVE. THAT'S

2:02:55A REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE THAT

2:02:59PROVIDES THAT COUNCIL

2:03:02PREROGATIVE TO BRING FORWARD A

2:03:04REPLACEMENT DRAWDOWN PROGRAM,

2:03:06NOT NECESSARILY SORT OF AN

2:03:08ALTERNATIVE, BUT REALLY TRYING

2:03:09TO SAY THE 20% BY 2036 WAS, WAS

2:03:12OUR STARTING POSITION. IT'S A

2:03:13GOOD THING TO START WITH, BUT

2:03:15WE DO WANT TO GET A DIFFERENT

2:03:17METHODOLOGY AND WE WANT WE WANT

2:03:18TO START THAT WORK NEXT YEAR.

2:03:20SO THAT'S WHAT THAT DIRECTIVE

2:03:21DOES. AND I, I HOPE THAT WE CAN

2:03:23SUPPORT ALL OF THE SUB

2:03:25AMENDMENTS HERE. BUT BUT, YOU

2:03:27KNOW, AT LEAST ONE, THREE, FOUR

2:03:29AND FIVE. THANKS.

2:03:30>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GREEN.

2:03:31COUNCILOR ZIMMERMAN.

2:03:33>> JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION

2:03:34FROM THIS. MANY SPONSORS OF.

2:03:37IT'S UNUSUAL TO GET SOMETHING

2:03:39SPLIT BY ONE OF THE SPONSORS.

2:03:40I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED, LIKE

2:03:42WHERE AND HOW THIS WAS WRITTEN.

2:03:45AND THEN WHO ACTUALLY DICTATES

2:03:47WHAT GETS CALLED FIRST SINCE

2:03:48YOU'RE ALL SPONSORS. SO WHERE

2:03:51DID THIS ALL COME FROM?

2:03:54>> I MEAN, MY OFFICE, I THINK,

2:03:57TOOK THE LEAD ON SHEPHERDING

2:03:58ALL THIS WITH ALL THE ADVOCATES

2:04:00PULLING TOGETHER ALL THE

2:04:02MEETINGS AND COUNCILOR

2:04:05PIRTLE-GUINEY ALSO SPENT A LOT

2:04:07OF TIME JUST DRAFTING WITH MY

2:04:09TEAM. AND SO THE THINGS THAT

2:04:11ARE THERE, RIGHT, REFLECT THE

2:04:14SORT OF BACK AND FORTH, DAY BY

2:04:16DAY WORK WITH THESE ADVOCATES.

2:04:18NOT EVERY OFFICE WAS ABLE TO DO

2:04:20THAT. AND I THINK WE UNDERSTOOD

2:04:24THAT THE REASON WHY WE ORGANIZE

2:04:25IT AS LIKE ONE UNIFIED DOCUMENT

2:04:27WITH A BUNCH OF SUB PIECES IS

2:04:28THERE WAS ALWAYS A WORLD WHERE

2:04:30MAYBE SOME COMFORT LEVELS MIGHT

2:04:32DEPART AND SOME PEOPLE MIGHT

2:04:33DECIDE, HEY, I'M NOT, I'M NOT

2:04:35GOOD WITH THIS PART, BUT BUT

2:04:36I'M GOOD WITH THE REST. SO I

2:04:38THINK THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING

2:04:39I MEAN, COUNCILOR CLARK CAN

2:04:40SPEAK FOR HERSELF, BUT I. BUT I

2:04:42SUSPECT THAT THAT'S WHAT'S

2:04:43WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE, THERE.

2:04:45>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.

2:04:47THERE WAS ALWAYS THE

2:04:48UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS A

2:04:49CAVEAT HERE, AND I THINK I MADE

2:04:51THAT REALLY CLEAR TO MY

2:04:53CO-SPONSORS THAT THIS PIECE

2:04:55WOULD I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING.

2:04:56BUT THE OVERALL, I AM.

2:04:59>> OKAY. YEAH, IT'S JUST A

2:05:00LITTLE CONFUSING WHEN YOU ALL

2:05:01HAVE YOUR NAMES ON IT. SO GOING

2:05:03DOWN TO AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR,

2:05:04THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR MUST

2:05:06IMPOSE. MOST OF THE TIME WHEN

2:05:09WE DO THINGS WE SAY MAY IMPOSE.

2:05:12IS THIS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO

2:05:14OTHER CODE WITHIN THE CITY OF

2:05:17PORTLAND'S PENALTY STRUCTURE?

2:05:21I'M ACTUALLY NOT FAMILIAR WITH

2:05:22ANY MUST IMPOSES.

2:05:26>> I WOULD DEFER TO THE CITY

2:05:28ATTORNEY. WE LOOKED INTO THIS

2:05:30AND THE. AND THE GUIDANCE AND

2:05:31THE CONSISTENCY WAS TO USE. IN

2:05:33THIS SITUATION, THE WORD MUST.

2:05:37>> FROM WHO GUIDANCE AND

2:05:38CONSISTENT FROM ATTORNEYS. OKAY.

2:05:40>> AS OPPOSED TO MAY OR WELL.

2:05:43OKAY. SO SO THE THE THE REQUEST

2:05:46WAS TO PUT SHELL AND OUR OFFICE

2:05:48HAS BEEN ADVISING TO NOT USE

2:05:50SHELL. IF THE INTENT IS THAT

2:05:51IT'S A MANDATE. SO IF WE'RE

2:05:53TALKING ABOUT VERSUS SHELL,

2:05:56THAT'S SEPARATE. BUT IF IT'S

2:05:57MUST VERSUS MAY, YES, MOST OF

2:06:01THE CODE RIGHT NOW SAYS THAT

2:06:03THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR MAY AND

2:06:04GIVES THAT DISCRETION TO THE

2:06:05CITY ADMINISTRATOR. WE FELT

2:06:08THAT THE CHARTER AND THE CODE

2:06:10DOES NOT LIMIT THE COUNCIL'S

2:06:12AUTHORITY TO CHANGE THAT FROM A

2:06:14DISCRETION AND A MANDATE.

2:06:15>> I CERTAINLY DON'T I AGREE

2:06:16WITH IT. IT DOESN'T. I'M JUST

2:06:18ASKING ABOUT PRACTICE. THIS

2:06:19SEEMS LIKE A SHIFT FROM

2:06:22PRACTICE, WHICH IS WE GENERALLY

2:06:23WRITE CODE TO SAY THE CITY

2:06:25ADMINISTRATOR MAY.

2:06:26>> AGREE TO.

2:06:27>> DO SOMETHING.

2:06:27>> AND IT IS A TERM THAT I WAS

2:06:30UNABLE TO FIND OTHER PENALTIES

2:06:31WHERE THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR

2:06:32WAS REQUIRED TO IMPOSE THEM AS

2:06:34OPPOSED TO. IT IS, BUT IT IS

2:06:36SOMETHING WITHIN COUNCIL'S

2:06:38AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE.

2:06:39>> COUNCILOR IN PRACTICE. THE

2:06:42WAY I'VE SEEN THIS PLAY OUT IS

2:06:43WHEN IT SAYS MAY. OFTEN THE

2:06:46BUREAUS WILL NOT IMMEDIATELY

2:06:48IMPOSE A PENALTY IF THERE IS

2:06:50MOTION TOWARDS COMPLIANCE

2:06:52QUICKLY, AND WE USE THAT AS A

2:06:55CARROT TO MOVE PEOPLE TOWARDS

2:06:57COMPLIANCE.

2:06:58>> RIGHT. SO I'M GLAD WE'RE

2:07:00GETTING IN ON THIS. I GUESS

2:07:02WORDS MATTER WHEN YOU HAVE THIS

2:07:03MUCH COMING OUT OF AMENDMENTS.

2:07:07SO MUST IMPOSE PENALTIES AND

2:07:09FINES ON A BULK FUEL TERMINAL

2:07:11OWNER OR RESPONSIBLE PARTY WHO

2:07:13FAILS TO COMPLY WITH THE

2:07:14REQUIREMENTS. OKAY, WE ALL WE

2:07:15ALL GET THAT. I MEAN, MAY OR

2:07:18MUST IS DIFFERENT THERE OR WHO

2:07:20HAS MISREPRESENTED REPRESENTED

2:07:22ANY MATERIAL FACT. WHAT

2:07:25CONSTITUTES A MATERIAL FACT?

2:07:29I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE

2:07:31OF LIKE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING

2:07:33ABOUT? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IF

2:07:34THERE'S AN ERROR IN A DOCUMENT

2:07:36AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE MUST

2:07:38IMPOSE OR WHAT ARE WE TALKING

2:07:39ABOUT? AND HERE'S THE THING. I

2:07:42WOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK THAT

2:07:44QUESTION. IF THE ANSWER, IF THE

2:07:45IF THE WORD WAS MAY, BECAUSE

2:07:47MAY WOULD MEAN THAT I'VE GOT

2:07:49PROFESSIONALS WHO CAN USE

2:07:50DISCRETION ABOUT SITUATIONS.

2:07:51BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THE

2:07:53WORD MUST. SO NOW I HAVE TO

2:07:54KNOW WHAT WE MEAN BY MATERIAL

2:07:56FACT. AND SO THESE HAVE

2:07:57CASCADING EFFECTS. AND I HAVE

2:07:59HEARD NO ONE SPEAK TO THAT.

2:08:05BUELLER.

2:08:06>> I MEAN, MAY I PLEASE. YEAH.

2:08:09I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS A

2:08:10SITUATION WHERE THE CARRIERS

2:08:13THOUGHT IT APPROPRIATE TO PUT

2:08:16MORE DEFINITIVE DECLARATIVE

2:08:18LANGUAGE THERE, BECAUSE THE

2:08:22OPERATIVE PART OF THIS IS THAT

2:08:23THE PENALTY IS WHEN THE

2:08:27OPERATOR FAILS TO COMPLY WITH

2:08:29THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CHAPTER

2:08:30AND HAS MISREPRESENTED SOME

2:08:32MISREPRESENTATION IS NOT A

2:08:33MISTAKE. IT IS. IT IS A WILLFUL

2:08:37OBFUSCATION OF THE FACT. AND SO

2:08:39THE IDEA HERE IS WE WANTED TO

2:08:41MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CRYSTAL

2:08:42CLEAR THAT IF YOU WILLFULLY

2:08:44MISREPRESENT THE FACTS AND YOU

2:08:46FAIL TO COMPLY, YOU WILL BE

2:08:48FINE. AND IT'S NOT UP TO SOME

2:08:49FUTURE CITY ADMINISTRATOR

2:08:50WHETHER THEY CHOOSE TO LET THIS

2:08:53OPERATOR SLIDE OR NOT. SO I

2:08:54THINK THAT DOES REPRESENT,

2:08:56AGAIN, THIS IDEA THAT IT'S OUR

2:08:58PREROGATIVE TO TO REGULATE, YOU

2:09:01KNOW, FOSSIL FUEL COMPANIES TO

2:09:02DO BUSINESS IN OUR IN OUR CITY

2:09:04AND THAT WE WILL HOLD THEM

2:09:05ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY DON'T

2:09:06TELL THE LINE.

2:09:09>> AND IS THIS A CONCERN THAT

2:09:13THE SPONSORS HAVE NOW? IS THAT

2:09:15THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR HASN'T

2:09:17GOT GOOD JUDGMENT TO IMPOSE IN

2:09:20A MAY TYPE OF SITUATION? YOU'VE

2:09:22CHOSEN VERY DELIBERATELY, AND

2:09:24THAT ALL IT ON ITS SURFACE.

2:09:27RIGHT. IT SOUNDS GOOD. BUT THEN

2:09:28TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE LITERALLY.

2:09:30I CAN'T THINK OF A SINGLE AREA

2:09:32IN CITY CODE WHERE WE USE THIS

2:09:33WORD. THIS SEEMS LIKE A TIDAL

2:09:35SHIFT. AND, AND WE KIND OF

2:09:37GLANCING OVER IT AND I'D LIKE

2:09:39TO UNDERSTAND. SO THANK YOU,

2:09:40COUNCILOR GREEN. I DO

2:09:41APPRECIATE YOUR ARGUMENT. THERE

2:09:42ARE MANY OTHER MEMBERS WHO

2:09:44THEIR NAMES ARE ON THIS. AND

2:09:46NOW I'M AT THE POINT WHERE I'M

2:09:48NOT SURE HOW MANY READ IT

2:09:49BECAUSE WE GOT PEOPLE PULLING

2:09:50NAMES FROM IT. SO I'D LIKE TO

2:09:52UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT FOUR IS

2:09:53REALLY ABOUT.

2:09:54>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT.

2:09:55>> IF I MAY, COUNCILOR, I WANT

2:09:59TO ADDRESS YOUR FIRST QUESTION

2:10:01TO THE SPONSORS FIRST, AND THEN

2:10:04I HAVE A NOTE ON THIS AS WELL.

2:10:05AND THAT IS THAT YOU WILL NOTE

2:10:07THAT THERE IS ONE AREA, ONE

2:10:10TOPIC AREA WHERE ONE OF THE

2:10:13JOINT CO-SPONSORS OF THE

2:10:15AMENDMENT SUBMITTED A SEPARATE

2:10:18AMENDMENT PUSHING US FURTHER IN

2:10:20ONE DIRECTION, AND ANOTHER

2:10:21CO-SPONSOR IS DIVIDING THE

2:10:22QUESTION TO PUSH US A LITTLE

2:10:24FURTHER THE OTHER WAY. AND I

2:10:25THINK WHAT YOU SEE IS THAT

2:10:27THERE IS A WHOLE LOT THAT WE

2:10:28ALL AGREED ON, AND ONE TOPIC

2:10:30AREA AROUND AVIATION FUEL WHERE

2:10:32THERE JUST WASN'T AS MUCH

2:10:33AGREEMENT. AND SO WE FIGURED

2:10:35OUT A WAY TO BE ABLE TO COME

2:10:37TOGETHER BECAUSE WE AGREED ON

2:10:38THE BULK OF WHAT IS HERE, AND

2:10:40TO ALSO ALLOW CO-SPONSORS WHO

2:10:42WANTED TO PROPOSE DOING A

2:10:44LITTLE DIFFERENTLY ONE WAY OR

2:10:46THE OTHER, TO DO THAT

2:10:48RESPECTFULLY OF EACH OTHER,

2:10:49WITH FULL COMMUNICATION WITH

2:10:50EACH OTHER. SO I JUST WANT TO

2:10:51NOTE THAT ON AMENDMENT FOUR. TO

2:10:59ANSWER YOUR QUESTION PLAINLY, I

2:11:02HAVE NO REASON NOT TO TRUST OUR

2:11:04CURRENT CITY ADMINISTRATOR TO

2:11:07MOVE FORWARD WITH PENALTIES AND

2:11:08FINES WHEN THEY MAY BE

2:11:09NECESSARY. WE GOVERN NOT JUST

2:11:11FOR TODAY, BUT FOR THE LONG

2:11:13HAUL. AND THERE IS A LONG

2:11:16HISTORY. NOT IN PORTLAND

2:11:18SPECIFICALLY, THOUGH I WOULDN'T

2:11:19SAY IT HASN'T HAPPENED HERE,

2:11:20BUT BROADLY, WITH CITIES

2:11:24STRUGGLING TO HOLD LARGE FOSSIL

2:11:28FUEL COMPANIES ACCOUNTABLE,

2:11:30WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE

2:11:32POTENTIAL FOR ENVIRONMENTAL

2:11:34HAZARD AND HEALTH HAZARD, AND

2:11:35YOU SEE THROUGH THE THE

2:11:39LAWSUITS THAT HAVE MOVED

2:11:40THROUGH COURTS WORK TO MAKE

2:11:43SURE THAT THAT ACCOUNTABILITY

2:11:44IS THERE. AND BECAUSE WE ARE

2:11:46DEALING WITH THAT PART OF THE

2:11:48LAW, BECAUSE WE ARE DEALING

2:11:49WITH LAND USE, BECAUSE WE ARE

2:11:51DEALING WITH ENVIRONMENTAL

2:11:52HEALTH AND HUMAN HEALTH, AND

2:11:54THE POTENTIAL FOR RISK THAT WE

2:11:56HAVE AT A FACILITY LIKE THIS.

2:12:00WE STRENGTHEN THE WORD NOT TO

2:12:02CREATE A LANDSLIDE SHIFT IN

2:12:04EVERYTHING WE DO AT THE CITY,

2:12:05BUT TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE

2:12:07OF THIS PIECE AND THIS SPACE,

2:12:09AND THE FACT THAT WE ARE

2:12:12LEGISLATING FOR THE LONG HAUL.

2:12:15>> AND COUNCILOR KANAL ALSO

2:12:16WANTED TO RESPOND.

2:12:17>> THANK YOU.

2:12:18>> YEAH, THANKS. I'LL JUST NOTE

2:12:20THE WORD MUST APPEARS 706 TIMES

2:12:24IN TITLE 17 OF THE CODE, WHICH

2:12:26IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON HERE.

2:12:28THEY'RE ALL A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

2:12:29MOST OF THEM ARE ABOUT HOW, YOU

2:12:33KNOW THE WHAT AN APPLICANT MUST

2:12:35SUBMIT. BUT THERE ARE EXAMPLES

2:12:37OF WHAT THE WORD MUST IS USED

2:12:39TO PUT IMPOSITION UPON THE CITY.

2:12:42AND I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT I

2:12:44DIDN'T BOTHER CHECKING THIS FOR

2:12:45SHELL, BUT THAT THE CITY

2:12:46ATTORNEYS. I THINK IT'S THE

2:12:47SHELL VERSUS MUST IS A

2:12:49ANTIQUATED TEXT PROVISION. I'M

2:12:50SEEING A NOD THERE. SO THERE

2:12:51MAY WELL ALSO BE THE WORD SHELL

2:12:54ADDITIONAL TIMES. BUT FOR

2:12:56EXAMPLE, IN 1713 130, THE CITY

2:12:58MUST UNDERTAKE A REVIEW. 1713

2:13:00140 THE CITY MUST EXPEND STC

2:13:02REVENUES. THERE'S A LOT OF

2:13:03THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. MUCH OF

2:13:06OUR CODE HAS NOT YET BEEN

2:13:08UPDATED TO SPECIFICALLY MENTION

2:13:09THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR. THAT'S

2:13:11WHY THAT THAT'S A PART OF OUR

2:13:13GENERAL CODE UPDATES FOR A

2:13:15POSITION THAT EXIST WHEN THE

2:13:17OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF CODE

2:13:18WAS WRITTEN. BUT THERE ARE, I

2:13:20WOULD SAY IT IS A MINORITY OF

2:13:22THAT 706 TIMES. BUT THERE ARE A

2:13:25LOT OF PLACES WHERE MUST IS

2:13:26IMPOSED UPON US FOR THE

2:13:29SPECIFIC USAGE. I AGREE WITH

2:13:30EVERYTHING THAT COUNCILOR

2:13:31PIRTLE-GUINEY SAID, AND I ALSO

2:13:32THINK THAT COUNCILOR GREEN KIND

2:13:34OF TOUCHED ON A POINT ABOUT,

2:13:35YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO

2:13:36SEE THIS AND UNDERSTAND THAT

2:13:38THAT MEANS IT'S HAPPENING. IF

2:13:39THERE IS A WILLFUL I THINK THE

2:13:41WORD IS MISREPRESENTATION. THEY

2:13:42USED. SO THAT I WOULD SAY IS,

2:13:45IS THE THE OTHER PIECE THAT

2:13:46THAT'S MORE SPECIFIC, BUT JUST

2:13:48IN TERMS OF A GENERAL SENSE,

2:13:49THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE WE'VE

2:13:50DONE BEFORE.

2:13:51>> ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE

2:13:52PENALTIES BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED

2:13:53706? ARE ANY OF THEM IN A

2:13:55PENALTY SECTION? BECAUSE MY

2:13:56QUESTION WAS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT

2:13:57PENALTY AND NOT THE WORD MUST.

2:13:59I'D BE.

2:14:00>> HAPPY TO.

2:14:00>> GO THROUGH.

2:14:01>> THEM FOR YOU. THE ATTORNEY

2:14:03HAS SAID NO, SO I. SO I

2:14:05RECOGNIZE THAT THE WORD MUST IS

2:14:06A COMMON WORD IN THE UNITED

2:14:08STATES AND IN ENGLISH, I GET IT,

2:14:09BUT THAT WASN'T REALLY THE

2:14:11QUESTION. SO I KIND OF FIND

2:14:12YOUR ARGUMENT A LITTLE SILLY

2:14:14THAT I WAS SPECIFICALLY TALKING

2:14:15ABOUT. IN THE PENALTY SECTION.

2:14:17WE HAVE GENERALLY SET UP A

2:14:19SYSTEM THAT LOOKS FOR

2:14:21MITIGATION. AND SO I'M ASKING

2:14:23IF THERE ARE OTHER MUSTS IN OUR

2:14:25PENALTY SECTIONS THAT THE CITY

2:14:28MUST IMPOSE A PENALTY OR IF

2:14:30THEY'RE DISCRETIONARY. THAT

2:14:32>> WAS MY QUESTION.

2:14:33>> OKAY. WELL, THEN TO BE MORE.

2:14:34>> SPECIFIC AND IF IT'S. YES, I

2:14:36WANT TO HEAR THAT.

2:14:37>> SO IF YOU'LL ACCEPT WILL AS

2:14:39A SYNONYM. 1726 170 PENALTY FOR

2:14:42VIOLATION. ANY PERSON VIOLATING

2:14:44ANY OF THE PROVISIONS OF THIS

2:14:45CHAPTER WILL, UPON CONVICTION,

2:14:47BE PUNISHED BY A FINE NOT

2:14:49EXCEEDING $500. AND THEN IN THE

2:14:51LATER SECTION, IT SAYS WILL BE

2:14:53SUBJECT TO THE PENALTY. SO USES

2:14:54THE WORD WILL TWICE.

2:14:56>> OKAY. SO I, I THINK THAT

2:15:03COUNCILOR PIRTLE-GUINEY YOUR

2:15:05ARGUMENTS ABOUT GOVERNING FOR

2:15:07THE LONG, LONG HAUL, OR

2:15:09ACTUALLY THE REASONS WHY I

2:15:10THINK MAY IS THE IMPORTANT WORD

2:15:13HERE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT

2:15:16ENABLES GOOD DECISION MAKING

2:15:18OUTSIDE OF 2026. AND. I THINK

2:15:23IT'S TWO SIDES OF A SIMILAR

2:15:25ARGUMENT HERE. I THINK I HEAR

2:15:26WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND. IT'S

2:15:30NOT THAT THERE WOULD BE A

2:15:31REASON NOT TO IMPOSE PENALTIES,

2:15:34BUT I BUT TO BE YOU KNOW, I'M

2:15:35WRITING OTHER CODE RIGHT NOW

2:15:37THAT HAS TO DO WITH PENALTIES.

2:15:38AND SO THIS IS I'M ZEROING IN

2:15:40ON THIS BECAUSE WE WERE CLEAR

2:15:41ABOUT AND TRYING TO BE

2:15:43DESCRIPTIVE IN TERMS OF THE

2:15:44WORDS WE USE. AND SO. THIS IS

2:15:49THIS IS GIVING ME SOME PAUSE. I

2:15:52APPRECIATE BOTH YOURS AND

2:15:53COUNCILOR GREEN'S EXPLANATION

2:15:55OF THOSE. THOSE ARE BOTH

2:15:57IMPORTANT. AND FOR ME, VERY BIG

2:16:03SHIFTS IN HOW WE DO IT. IF I'M

2:16:05A PERSON WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN.

2:16:08MANDATORY SENTENCES, SO TO

2:16:10SPEAK, RIGHT. I BELIEVE IN.

2:16:11WE'VE SET. WE SET OUR. WE SET

2:16:13OUR PENALTY STRUCTURES, WE SET

2:16:14ALL THAT. AND THERE'S ALSO

2:16:16USUALLY A. THERE'S USUALLY A

2:16:17CURE ISSUE, BUT I DO VERY MUCH

2:16:20COUNCILOR GREEN. I DO

2:16:22APPRECIATE THE MISREPRESENTED

2:16:23MEANING. THERE WAS A A

2:16:26DELIBERATE ASPECT TO THAT. AND

2:16:29SO THAT ONE THAT HOLDS WATER

2:16:32FOR ME, I GO BACK TO WHO THEN

2:16:36DETERMINES WHAT A MATERIAL FACT

2:16:41IS IN A SITUATION.

2:16:47>> COUNCILOR IS THAT AN ACTUAL

2:16:49QUESTION YOU'RE LOOKING FOR?

2:16:50STAFF ANSWER.

2:16:51>> ANYBODY WHO FEELS THEY ARE

2:16:52EQUIPPED TO ANSWER WOULD BE

2:16:53FINE. I'M GETTING A LOT OF

2:16:55BUELLER MOMENTS, SO IT'S OKAY.

2:16:58I THINK THAT I THINK NUMBER

2:16:59FOUR WAS KIND OF SEEN AS THE

2:17:01ONE THAT NOBODY WANTED TO TALK

2:17:02ABOUT, BUT THIS IS THE ONE THAT

2:17:04I FEEL LIKE ACTUALLY HAS A BIG

2:17:06DIFFERENCE HERE. I KNOW YOU

2:17:07WROTE NOVELS FOR NUMBER THREE,

2:17:08BUT BUT NUMBER FOUR IS SOME NEW

2:17:10LANGUAGE THAT'S DIFFERENT.

2:17:15>> WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT THE

2:17:17CITY ADMINISTRATOR WOULD

2:17:19DETERMINE IF IT WAS A

2:17:22MISREPRESENTATION OR A, AN

2:17:23ERROR AND THAT THAT THAT

2:17:28MISREPRESENTATION ROSE TO THE

2:17:29LEVEL OF A MATERIAL FACT. AND I

2:17:31WOULD GUESS THAT THE PARTY ON

2:17:33THE OTHER SIDE WOULD THEN HAVE

2:17:36IF THEY DISAGREED, RIGHT, THEY

2:17:39WOULD HAVE THEIR DAY IN COURT

2:17:42TO ARGUE THE OPPOSITE. IS THAT

2:17:45RIGHT? I LOOK FOR LEGAL COUNSEL

2:17:48ON THAT INTERPRETATION, BUT.

2:17:50>> YES, THAT IS HOW I READ IT,

2:17:52IS THAT THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR

2:17:54WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT

2:17:55THE FACT, AND THEN, AS IT'S

2:17:56CURRENTLY DRAFTED, MUST IMPOSE.

2:18:00WILL IS TYPICALLY USED IN A

2:18:03LITTLE BIT. SOMETHING WOULD

2:18:04HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. IT'S NOT

2:18:09MANDATORY IN THE MOMENT. AND

2:18:11THEN MAY IS THE MOST PERMISSIVE.

2:18:15>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY.

2:18:21INTO NUMBER THREE IN THE THE

2:18:25INVENTORY AND REPORTING

2:18:26REQUIREMENTS, THERE'S A

2:18:27SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CHANGE IN

2:18:29NUMBER THREE IN THE IN THE

2:18:30LANGUAGE. I AM CURIOUS, AGAIN,

2:18:38WITH THESE AMENDMENTS SIMILAR

2:18:39TO THE LAST SET ABOUT. I HAVE A

2:18:44SENSE OF WHERE THEY'VE COME

2:18:45FROM, FROM THE FROM THE

2:18:46ADVOCATES AND FROM THE SPONSORS,

2:18:48BUT I'M CURIOUS IN PARTICULAR

2:18:50HERE, OR FRANKLY, I'LL OPEN IT.

2:18:52ARE THERE CONCERNS AMONGST ANY

2:18:54OF THESE ONE THROUGH FIVE FROM

2:18:56STAFF, GIVEN THAT YOU DIDN'T

2:18:58INCLUDE THEM, OR THAT A LOT OF

2:18:59WHAT YOU WROTE HAS NOW BEEN

2:19:01REDLINED OUT? SO USUALLY IF I

2:19:04WRITE A DOCUMENT AND A LOT OF

2:19:05THINGS GET REDLINED OUT, I

2:19:07WOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME

2:19:08CONCERNS ABOUT IT. SO I'M VERY

2:19:09CURIOUS OF WHERE YOUR RED FLAGS

2:19:11ARE, WHAT ONES THAT YOU WOULD

2:19:12LIKE TO ADVOCATE FROM THE

2:19:13POSITION BE PASSED, AND WHICH

2:19:15WHAT YOU THINK SHOULD NOT BE

2:19:16PASSED OUT OF THESE FIVE.

2:19:22>> I THINK SPECIFICALLY TO THE

2:19:24REPORTING REQUIREMENTS. I THINK,

2:19:26AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE ITERATIVE

2:19:28PROCESS AND WORKING WITH THE

2:19:30COMMUNITY AND UNDERSTANDING AND

2:19:32WHAT WE'VE HEARD EVEN FROM

2:19:35INDUSTRY, ABOUT THE NEED FOR

2:19:36GOOD DATA TO MAKE A DECISIONS

2:19:38OR MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IN THE

2:19:40FUTURE. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A

2:19:42LOT OF CHANGES HERE AND

2:19:44ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, MORE

2:19:46ENHANCED REPORTING. AND THEN

2:19:47THE ANNUAL REPORTING OF THAT

2:19:49DATA TO THE CITY AND THEN IN

2:19:52TURN TO CITY COUNCIL. SO THAT'S

2:19:53WHY YOU SEE A LOT OF THE

2:19:55CHANGES IN AMENDMENT THREE. I

2:20:00THINK THE THE ORDINANCE

2:20:03DIRECTIVES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S

2:20:04COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE TO SAY

2:20:08WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE HAPPEN.

2:20:11THE PENALTIES. I YOU KNOW.

2:20:13>> I'M NOT ACTUALLY ASKING FOR

2:20:15COUNCIL'S DIRECTIVE. I'M ASKING

2:20:18BECAUSE THIS PROJECT ORIGINALLY

2:20:19CAME FROM YOU. I'M ACTUALLY

2:20:20ASKING FOR A PROFESSIONAL

2:20:21OPINION FROM BTS BECAUSE I HAVE

2:20:24A FEELING I KNOW AT LEAST FIVE

2:20:25ARE. THEY SPONSORED IT? BUT I

2:20:27WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM BTS IF

2:20:29THE THINGS THAT YOU THINK THAT

2:20:30THIS DOCUMENT SHOULD ACHIEVE,

2:20:32IF THIS HELPS IT OR HINDERS IT,

2:20:34THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS

2:20:35THAT WOULD HELP ME IN

2:20:36EVALUATING SUCH COUNCILOR.

2:20:39>> ONE OF THE DIALOGS WE HAD

2:20:41WITH THE SPONSORS WAS JUST

2:20:42ABOUT WORKLOAD IMPLICATIONS,

2:20:43AND THAT'S NOT A PRO OR CON

2:20:45ARGUMENT ABOUT THE LANGUAGE.

2:20:46IT'S REALLY JUST LIKE, WHAT

2:20:48WOULD THIS TAKE? AND IT'S TRUE

2:20:50THAT MORE FREQUENT REPORTING

2:20:51AND ANALYSIS IS GOING TO COST

2:20:54US A LITTLE MORE STAFF TIME.

2:20:59>> OKAY. THANK YOU, MR.

2:21:00PRESIDENT.

2:21:00>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR

2:21:01ZIMMERMAN. COUNCILOR NOVICK.

2:21:04>> YES, THANK YOU, MR.

2:21:05PRESIDENT. I APOLOGIZE. I THINK

2:21:07THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE

2:21:08AMENDMENT OUT OF CONTEXT. I'M

2:21:10JUST CURIOUS, IS THERE

2:21:12SOMEWHERE IN THE DOCUMENT THAT

2:21:13THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT THAT IT

2:21:15SAYS HOW THE PENALTIES WILL BE

2:21:17CALCULATED? YOU KNOW, DOES IT

2:21:18REQUIRE THE PENALTIES BE A

2:21:19CERTAIN AMOUNT?

2:21:21>> YES, IT THAT WAS THE FOR THE

2:21:25REPORTING REQUIREMENTS. IT WAS

2:21:26THE $12,000 A DAY FOR THE FIRST

2:21:2930 DAYS AND THEN $24,000 A DAY

2:21:32THEREAFTER. AND THEN THE

2:21:34REDUCTION REQUIREMENT, FAILURE

2:21:36TO COMPLY WITH THE REDUCTION

2:21:38REQUIREMENT WAS $0.25 A GALLON

2:21:41FOR EVERY GALLON THAT THEY

2:21:43FAILED TO REDUCE.

2:21:45>> SO WHAT I'M WONDERING IS,

2:21:49WOULD THIS PROVISION REQUIRE US

2:21:51TO GET PENALTIES OF PRECISELY

2:21:53THOSE AMOUNTS? AND HERE'S MY

2:21:55CONCERN. I USED TO ENFORCE THE

2:21:58CLEAN AIR ACT AND THE CLEAN

2:21:59WATER ACT. AND BACK AT THAT

2:22:01TIME, THE PENALTY WAS UP UP TO

2:22:05$25,000 PER DAY PER VIOLATION.

2:22:07SO WE WOULD SOMETIMES COME IN

2:22:09SAYING, OKAY, HERE'S A PENALTY

2:22:10OF $14 MILLION. BASED ON THAT,

2:22:11THE COMPANY WOULD SAY, THAT'S

2:22:12INSANE. AND THEN WE'D ARGUE

2:22:14ABOUT IT, AND WE WIND UP WITH

2:22:15SETTLING FOR SOMETHING LESS

2:22:16THAN THAT. IF IF THIS WOULD

2:22:20REQUIRE, SAY, HERE IS THE

2:22:22AMOUNT OF THE PENALTY PERIOD,

2:22:24THERE'S NO NEGOTIATION, THEN I

2:22:26THINK WE NEED TO TAKE INTO

2:22:28ACCOUNT THE LIKELIHOOD THAT

2:22:29THAT WOULD DRIVE MORE CASES TO

2:22:31COURT RATHER THAN ENABLE US TO

2:22:33SETTLE THEM. SO I JUST WANT TO

2:22:35KNOW IF THE LANGUAGE WE HAVE

2:22:37WOULD BE INTERPRETED AS WE WILL.

2:22:39I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH MUST

2:22:41IMPOSE SOME PENALTY. I HAVE

2:22:43SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE

2:22:45OPERABILITY OF SAYING MUST

2:22:46IMPOSE A PENALTY OF A SPECIFIC

2:22:48AMOUNT OR THERE'S NO ROOM FOR

2:22:49NEGOTIATION. I GUESS THIS IS

2:22:51REALLY A QUESTION FOR THE CITY

2:22:52ATTORNEY. HOW DO YOU READ IT?

2:22:54IS IT WE MUST IMPOSE A SPECIFIC

2:22:56PENALTY, OR WOULD IT GIVE SOME

2:22:58FLEXIBILITY TO NEGOTIATE THE

2:22:59PENALTY?

2:23:02>> AS I AND I NEED? I ALSO HAVE

2:23:04MULTIPLE PIECES, IS WHAT I READ

2:23:06IT AND UNDERSTOOD. THE INTENT

2:23:07WAS THAT THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR

2:23:09MUST IMPOSE THE PENALTY AS

2:23:11OUTLINED IN THE CODE, AND THAT

2:23:12THE CODE OUTLINES THE SET

2:23:14AMOUNTS, THAT THERE'S NOT AN

2:23:15OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE IT.

2:23:18>> OKAY, THEN THAT DOES RAISE A

2:23:22SORT OF A A CAPACITY CONCERN

2:23:24FOR ME, BECAUSE IT MEANS I MEAN,

2:23:28I THINK IT INCREASES THE ODDS

2:23:29THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY WILL BE

2:23:32LITIGATING EVERY PENALTY IN

2:23:34COURT RATHER THAN HAVING A BACK

2:23:36AND FORTH AND BEING ABLE TO

2:23:37NEGOTIATE SOMETHING, WHICH IS

2:23:39NORMALLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN

2:23:40YOU'RE ASSESSING PENALTIES.

2:23:43>> IF I MAY. THE OTHER PIECE OF

2:23:46THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT WE GO

2:23:49THROUGH WITH THE REPORTING AND

2:23:50AND THAT THE FAILURE TO COMPLY,

2:23:54DETERMINATION AND THE CODE

2:23:57OUTLINES A PROCESS OF SUBMITTAL

2:24:01VERIFICATION BY STAFF, A

2:24:02FEEDBACK LOOP FIRST WITH THE

2:24:06TERMINALS TO GET MORE

2:24:07INFORMATION OR INCOMPLETE

2:24:09INFORMATION, THEN A PUBLIC

2:24:12COMMENT PERIOD. AND AND SO

2:24:14THERE'S A NUMBER OF BACK AND

2:24:16FORTH STEPS THAT WE WOULD GO

2:24:19THROUGH WITH A TERMINAL BEFORE

2:24:21WE WOULD MAKE A DETERMINATION

2:24:23THAT THEY HAVE FAILED TO COMPLY.

2:24:25AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE SORT

2:24:27OF THE FLEXIBILITY AND THE

2:24:29PROCESS AND THE AND THE

2:24:31ITERATION BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW,

2:24:34MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AND

2:24:36START IMPOSING PENALTIES.

2:24:38>> RIGHT. BUT I MEAN, THIS,

2:24:40THIS MEANS IT'S SORT OF ALL OR

2:24:41NOTHING. I MEAN, NORMALLY YOU

2:24:44SORT OF LIKE MAKE A RISK

2:24:46ASSESSMENT OF IF THIS GOES TO

2:24:47COURT, WHAT ARE THE ODDS WE'LL

2:24:50WIN? AND YOU DON'T ALWAYS GO

2:24:52FOR THAT. I MEAN, JUST LIKE,

2:24:53YOU KNOW, PROSECUTORS, YOU

2:24:54DON'T ALWAYS GO FOR THE MAXIMUM.

2:24:57YOU HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW,

2:24:59THOUGHT ABOUT THE LIKELIHOOD OF

2:25:02VICTORY AND YOU ADJUST THE

2:25:03PENALTY APPROPRIATELY. SO

2:25:06ACTUALLY, AGAIN, LAUREN, I

2:25:07DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE

2:25:09SPOT AND YOU KNOW THAT, BUT I

2:25:11MEAN, I'M JUST IF YOU'RE

2:25:13COMFORTABLE SAYING DOES THAT

2:25:15RAISE ANY CONCERNS FOR YOU?

2:25:21>> ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE

2:25:23LANGUAGE OR WHETHER I HAVE

2:25:24LEGAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE

2:25:25IMPLEMENTATION.

2:25:26>> CONCERNS OR SORT OF

2:25:27PRACTICAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE

2:25:29IMPLEMENTATION, THAT IT'S

2:25:30HARDER TO WORK WITH THE MANDATE

2:25:32THAT YOU RECOVER A SPECIFIC

2:25:34PENALTY THAN WITH A MANDATE

2:25:35THAT YOU RECOVER SOME PENALTY

2:25:36AND YOU HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY

2:25:39TO NEGOTIATE WHAT IT IS.

2:25:41>> I THINK THAT THAT WOULD HAVE

2:25:43TO BE A QUESTION FOR ROBERT

2:25:44TAYLOR ABOUT HOW OUR OFFICE IS

2:25:46RUN. AND I MEAN, THAT'S SORT OF

2:25:47A POLICY BUSINESS DECISION

2:25:49ABOUT THE OFFICE AND THE

2:25:50RESOURCES FOR THE CITY

2:25:52ATTORNEYS. BUT I THINK YOUR

2:25:53ASSESSMENT IS CORRECT. IT WOULD

2:25:55AVOID THE ABILITY FOR THERE ANY

2:25:56SORT OF NEGOTIATION OF THE

2:25:58PENALTIES THAT WE HAVE IN OTHER

2:26:00CODE SECTIONS.

2:26:02>> THANK YOU. AND THAT CASE, I

2:26:03ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MR.

2:26:05TAYLOR HERE TO ANSWER THE

2:26:06QUESTION.

2:26:12>> LET'S SEE IF HE CAN MAKE HIS

2:26:14WAY DOWN HERE. TO ANSWER YOUR

2:26:15QUESTION, IN THE INTERIM, I

2:26:16WILL MOVE TO COUNCILOR. IS THAT

2:26:18OKAY? COUNCILOR WE WAIT FOR

2:26:20ROBERT. STEVE, IS THAT RIGHT TO

2:26:23MOVE ON FOR A SECOND? COME BACK.

2:26:25YEAH. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU.

2:26:26>> COUNCILOR KANAL THANKS,

2:26:27COUNCIL PRESIDENT. YEAH, I MEAN,

2:26:30I IMAGINE AND DIFFERENT PARTS

2:26:32OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE

2:26:34ARE INVOLVED IN DIFFERENT

2:26:35THINGS, BUT WE DO OFTEN END UP

2:26:36HAVING NEGOTIATIONS IN COURT.

2:26:39WELL, IN PARALLEL TO A COURT

2:26:40PROCESS IS HOW WE GET

2:26:41SETTLEMENTS. SO I THINK IT'S A

2:26:44QUESTION OF WHERE IS THAT

2:26:45NEGOTIATION HAPPENING AS WELL

2:26:47IN TERMS OF CITY

2:26:48ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE, IN

2:26:49TERMS OF THE BUREAU OR IN TERMS

2:26:51OF THE THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, I

2:26:54WANTED I DIDN'T GET IN THE

2:26:54QUEUE FOR THIS. I JUST WANTED

2:26:56TO FLAG THAT. AND I THINK IT

2:26:58MAY BE HELPFUL TO HAVE ROBERT

2:26:59COMMENT ON THAT PART, TOO. BUT

2:27:01THE REASON I GOT IN THE QUEUE

2:27:03IS I THINK THERE'S BEEN ANOTHER

2:27:04CONVERSATION THAT'S HAPPENED

2:27:05ABOUT PREEMPTION. AND THERE'S A

2:27:07PIECE HERE THAT IS RELEVANT TO

2:27:1015 OTHER ISSUES THAT WE TALK

2:27:12ABOUT. AND I THINK IT'S A

2:27:13QUESTION OF WE'RE ASSUMING,

2:27:15BASED ON SOME KNOWLEDGE OF SOME

2:27:18LEGISLATORS OR THE GOVERNOR OR

2:27:19WHATEVER, THAT THE STATE HAS A

2:27:22PARTICULAR INTEREST AND IS

2:27:24CONSIDERING PUTTING SOMETHING

2:27:25FORWARD THAT MIGHT TIE OUR

2:27:26HANDS. I THINK IT'S THE SAME

2:27:28CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE TO

2:27:29HAVE WITH THE FEDERAL

2:27:30GOVERNMENT OF, ARE WE GOING TO

2:27:32COMPLY IN ADVANCE, OR ARE WE

2:27:33GOING TO TRY TO DO THE THINGS

2:27:35THAT WE BELIEVE WE SHOULD DO AS

2:27:37A CITY? WHILE WE ARE CURRENTLY

2:27:38NOT PREEMPTED ON MANY OF THESE

2:27:40ISSUES, AND I THINK WE SHOULD

2:27:42BE DOING THAT. AND I'LL ALSO

2:27:43NOTE THERE'S A LOT OF ANALYSIS

2:27:44NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS ISSUE, BUT

2:27:46TO OTHER ISSUES THAT THAT WHEN

2:27:48CITIES ACT FIRST, THAT THAT

2:27:50THAT ACTUALLY LOWERS THE CHANCE

2:27:53OF BEING PREEMPTED. AND, AND I

2:27:56THINK THAT'S BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,

2:27:58WE HAVE A GOOD PORTLAND AREA

2:28:00DELEGATION WHO KNOWS THAT THEIR

2:28:02VOTERS ELECTED US TO AND WE

2:28:04MADE THIS, THIS DECISION AND

2:28:06IMPOSE THIS PARTICULAR POLICY

2:28:08CHOICE. AND THEN BASED ON THAT,

2:28:11THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL,

2:28:12WE'RE GOING TO INVALIDATE THE

2:28:13PEOPLE YOU ALSO VOTED FOR. IT

2:28:15BECOMES A LITTLE HARDER. SO I

2:28:16THINK WE SHOULD BE ASSESSING

2:28:17THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF

2:28:19WHAT DO WE BELIEVE OUR VOTERS

2:28:20WANT? AND THEN LETTING OUR

2:28:21VOTERS KNOW TO TELL THEIR STATE

2:28:23REPRESENTATIVES NOT TO MESS

2:28:24WITH, WITH OUR ABILITY TO TO

2:28:26EXERT LOCAL CONTROL. THANKS.

2:28:29>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR KANAL,

2:28:31OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS GETTING

2:28:32BRIEFED ON THE QUESTION AT HAND,

2:28:35AND WE WILL WELCOME HIM OVER.

2:28:37WELCOME, MR. TAYLOR.

2:28:42>> HI. HI. ROBERT TAYLOR, CITY

2:28:45ATTORNEY.

2:28:45>> AS I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION,

2:28:48THE.

2:28:49>> IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE.

2:28:52>> THE WORD MUST IN THE CODE,

2:28:54THAT IS A MANDATORY. IF YOU

2:28:57CHOOSE TO USE MAY IN THE CODE,

2:28:59THAT GIVES SOME DISCRETION. SO

2:29:02IF YOU USE MUST. AND THAT SAYS

2:29:04THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR MUST

2:29:07IMPOSE A PENALTY, THEN THE CITY

2:29:10ADMINISTRATOR WILL DO THAT.

2:29:12THEY WILL. THEY DO NOT HAVE

2:29:14DISCRETION. ONCE THAT PENALTY.

2:29:17IF IT'S CHALLENGED AND WE'RE IN

2:29:21A LITIGATION POSTURE, I THINK

2:29:23IT'S IT IS POSSIBLE AT THAT

2:29:25POINT TO NEGOTIATE SOME SORT OF

2:29:30RESOLUTION ONCE WE'RE IN THE

2:29:32LITIGATION. BUT IN TERMS OF AT

2:29:34THE FRONT END, DOES THE CITY

2:29:36ADMINISTRATOR HAVE ANY

2:29:38DISCRETION OR DOES THE. OR DO

2:29:40THE FOLKS THAT WORK FOR THE

2:29:41ADMINISTRATOR HAVE ANY

2:29:42DISCRETION TO WORK WITH THE

2:29:44PARTY TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT

2:29:46TO IMPOSE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?

2:29:48THEY DON'T HAVE DISCRETION, AND

2:29:51I THINK THAT'S THE REAL CHOICE

2:29:53THAT THE COUNCIL HAS IN FRONT

2:29:54OF THEM RIGHT NOW. DO THEY WANT

2:29:56TO GIVE THE STAFF SOME

2:29:59DISCRETION TO WORK WITH THE

2:30:00PARTY BEFORE THE PENALTY IS

2:30:01IMPOSED, OR WOULD THEY LIKE TO

2:30:03LIMIT THAT DISCRETION, HAVE THE

2:30:05PENALTY IMPOSED? AND THEN IF

2:30:08THERE IS A CHALLENGE IN

2:30:10LITIGATION, LEAVE IT TO THAT TO

2:30:13BE WORKED OUT?

2:30:15>> COUNCILOR YES. SO YOUR

2:30:18INTERPRETATION BASED ON THIS

2:30:19LANGUAGE IS IF THE CITY

2:30:22ADMINISTRATOR WAS MANDATED TO

2:30:23IMPOSE A PENALTY OF A SPECIFIC

2:30:25AMOUNT, AND THEN SOMEBODY, THE

2:30:28THE COMPANY CHALLENGED IT IN

2:30:30COURT, YOU WOULD STILL THINK

2:30:31THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY

2:30:33TO NEGOTIATE A SMALLER PENALTY.

2:30:35YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE

2:30:37WALL AND GO TO COURT AND FIGHT

2:30:39LIKE HELL FOR THE AMOUNT THAT'S

2:30:42SPECIFIED, SPECIFIED AMOUNT.

2:30:44>> I THINK IF WE WERE IN THE

2:30:46LITIGATION POSTURE, LIKE ANY

2:30:47OTHER LITIGATION THAT WE HAVE,

2:30:49WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY

2:30:52TO TRY TO WORK THAT OUT AT THAT

2:30:55STAGE. THIS LANGUAGE IS

2:30:58DIRECTED AT THE CITY

2:30:59ADMINISTRATOR'S AUTHORITY TO

2:31:00IMPOSE IT AS AN INITIAL MATTER.

2:31:03AND THIS WOULD THIS WOULD NOT

2:31:05GIVE THE ADMINISTRATOR

2:31:06DISCRETION. THEY WOULD HAVE TO

2:31:08IMPOSE IT, AND THEN IT WOULD GO

2:31:11THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO SO

2:31:12THAT'S THE REAL CHOICE IN FRONT

2:31:14OF YOU. DO YOU DO YOU WANT TO

2:31:16GIVE THE ADMINISTRATOR ANY, ANY

2:31:17DISCRETION ON THE FRONT END TO

2:31:18TRY TO, AS WAS DESCRIBED BEFORE,

2:31:23THEY IMPOSE IT, PERHAPS GIVE

2:31:25SOMEBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME

2:31:26INTO COMPLIANCE.

2:31:29>> THANK YOU, MR. TAYLOR. SO

2:31:32I'M A LAWYER, SO I CARE ABOUT

2:31:34IMPOSING THINGS ON LAWYERS, NOT

2:31:35ON CITY ADMINISTRATORS. SO MY

2:31:37CONCERN WAS, YOU KNOW,

2:31:40HANDCUFFING OUR LAWYERS. BUT I

2:31:42WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE

2:31:43SPONSORS IF THEY WERE OKAY WITH

2:31:45THE IDEA THAT AFTER THE CITY

2:31:47ADMINISTRATOR IMPOSED THE

2:31:48MANDATORY PENALTY, IF WE'RE IN

2:31:50LITIGATION, THE CITY ATTORNEY

2:31:52WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO

2:31:53SOME NEGOTIATION.

2:31:56>> YES, YES. YEAH.

2:32:00>> THANK YOU.

2:32:01>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

2:32:02COUNCILOR. NOVICK COUNCILOR

2:32:03KANAL, YOU ALSO HAD A QUESTION

2:32:04FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. IS THAT

2:32:06RIGHT?

2:32:06>> I THINK YOU.

2:32:07>> GOT COVERED.

2:32:08>> OKAY, GREAT. PAUSING FOR

2:32:10DRAMATIC EFFECT TO SEE IF

2:32:11ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO TALK. OKAY,

2:32:15COLLEAGUES. KEELAN, CAN WE

2:32:16PLEASE MOVE TOWARDS A VOTE, A

2:32:18DIVIDED VOTE ON THE QUESTION,

2:32:20STARTING WITH THE SEPARATE VOTE

2:32:22ON AMENDMENT TWO REGARDING

2:32:24AVIATION FUEL EXEMPTION AND

2:32:25THEN MOVING TO A SECOND VOTE ON

2:32:27THE REMAINDER.

2:32:28>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, CAN WE

2:32:29CLARIFY WHAT THE VOTE IS, HOW

2:32:30THAT WORKS EXACTLY? IT'S A YES

2:32:34TO REMOVE NO.

2:32:35>> NO, IT'S A YES TO AMEND.

2:32:37>> YES TO AMEND.

2:32:38>> THE LANGUAGE IS HERE. SO IF

2:32:39YOU DON'T LIKE THAT, THEN YOU

2:32:41GOT TO VOTE. NO.

2:32:42>> WAIT, SAY THAT AGAIN. VOTE

2:32:44NO. OKAY.

2:32:46>> SO YES.

2:32:48>> BECAUSE.

2:32:49>> YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE YES. SO

2:32:53OKAY, LET'S JUST BE CLEAR THAT

2:32:55TO AMEND THIS TO REMOVE THE

2:32:57AMENDMENT, WE'VE SEPARATED IT,

2:32:59TO REMOVE IT.

2:33:01>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MAY I

2:33:02OFFER A DIFFERENT WAY OF

2:33:03THINKING. ABOUT THIS. SORRY,

2:33:05YOU HAVE SEPARATED THE

2:33:06AMENDMENT. SO WE ARE VOTING ON

2:33:09SECTION TWO OF THE AMENDMENT.

2:33:12AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE PASSES

2:33:14SECTION TWO OF THE AMENDMENT.

2:33:16SO YOU ARE VOTING TO PASS THAT

2:33:19A NO VOTE VOTES NOT TO PASS

2:33:22THAT CHANGE. SO IF YOU WANT

2:33:24SECTION TWO TO GO INTO EFFECT

2:33:26NOW, SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF

2:33:28IT, YOU VOTE YES. IF YOU DO NOT

2:33:30WANT IT TO GO INTO EFFECT, YOU

2:33:32VOTE NO.

2:33:33>> THANK YOU.

2:33:34>> THANK YOU. KEELAN, PLEASE

2:33:35CALL THE ROLL CLERK.

2:33:37>> IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE I'M

2:33:38THE FIRST VOTE NO.

2:33:41>> GREEN.

2:33:42>> YES.

2:33:43>> ZIMMERMAN.

2:33:44>> NO. I. SMITH NO. KANAL I.

2:33:50>> PIRTLE-GUINEY. YES.

2:33:53>> RYAN.

2:33:54>> NO.

2:33:55>> KOYAMA LANE.

2:33:57>> AYE, MORILLO.

2:33:58>> AYE, MORILLO. MORILLO. I

2:34:02NOVICK NO. DUNPHY.

2:34:03>> NO.

2:34:06>> THE AMENDMENT PART TWO

2:34:08AMENDMENT TWO FAILS WITH A VOTE

2:34:11OF SIX EYES AND SIX NAYS.

2:34:13>> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON THE

2:34:14REMAINDER OF THE GREEN

2:34:16PIRTLE-GUINEY KANAL CLERK

2:34:17KOYAMA LANE TWO.

2:34:19>> CLERK. HI GREEN.

2:34:23>> HI, ZIMMERMAN.

2:34:25>> NO AVALOS. I SMITH.

2:34:29>> IS THIS TO TAKE THE AVIATION

2:34:31FUEL OUT?

2:34:31>> THIS IS EVERYTHING ELSE NOW.

2:34:33EVERYTHING. BUT YEAH.

2:34:35>> I.

2:34:38>> KANAL I. PIRTLE-GUINEY I.

2:34:41>> RYAN.

2:34:42>> NO. KOYAMA LANE I. MORILLO I.

2:34:47NOVICK I. DUNPHY I.

2:34:52>> AMENDMENTS ONE, THREE FOUR

2:34:53AND FIVE ARE APPROVED WITH A

2:34:54VOTE OF TEN AYES AND TWO NAYS.

2:34:57>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH,

2:34:58COLLEAGUES. COUNCILOR. NOVICK.

2:35:03>> ARE YOU ASKING ME TO

2:35:04INTRODUCE MY AMENDMENT?

2:35:05>> I AM ASKING YOU TO INTRODUCE

2:35:07YOUR AMENDMENT NOW.

2:35:09>> OKAY. HANG ON, HANG ON JUST

2:35:10A SECOND. THERE'S.

2:35:31SO AS I

2:35:33STATED LAST WEEK, MY AMENDMENT

2:35:35WOULD ADD THIS LANGUAGE TO

2:35:36TITLE 17. IT WOULD BE A NEW

2:35:38PARAGRAPH 20. THE COUNCIL

2:35:41RECOGNIZES THAT UNLESS THERE'S

2:35:42AN ACTUAL REDUCTION IN DEMAND

2:35:43FOR LIQUID FUEL, THE STATE

2:35:44LEGISLATURE IS LIKELY TO

2:35:45OVERRIDE ANY DRAWDOWN

2:35:46REQUIREMENT BEFORE THAT THAT

2:35:48REQUIREMENT BECOMES EFFECTIVE.

2:35:49THEREFORE, IT IS INCUMBENT ON

2:35:50THE CITY TO DO WHAT IT CAN TO

2:35:52REDUCE DEMAND. ACCORDINGLY,

2:35:53COUNCIL EXPRESSES OUR

2:35:54COMMITMENT TO WORK WITH THE

2:35:56COMMITTEE AND OTHER

2:35:57STAKEHOLDERS TO ENSURE THAT THE

2:35:58NEXT CLIMATE INVESTMENT PLAN.

2:35:59AT LEAST 40% OF PORTLAND CLEAN

2:36:01ENERGY FUND DOLLARS WILL BE

2:36:02SPENT ON TRANSPORTATION

2:36:03MEASURES TO PROMOTE TRANSIT,

2:36:05BIKING, WALKING, TRANSITION TO

2:36:07ELECTRIC CARS, AND THE

2:36:08REDUCTION OF DIESEL EMISSIONS.

2:36:10AND HERE I'VE PREPARED A SORT

2:36:12OF Q AND A ON MY PROPOSAL THAT

2:36:14I'M GOING TO DISTRIBUTE FOR YOU

2:36:17TO FOLLOW ALONG. FIRST QUESTION

2:36:21WHY TALK ABOUT PCEF SPENDING ON

2:36:23TRANSPORTATION IN THE CONTEXT

2:36:24OF THE SCI HUB DRAWDOWN

2:36:26DISCUSSION? ANSWER. THE VAST

2:36:28MAJORITY OF THE FUEL IN THE SCI

2:36:29HUB IS USED FOR TRANSPORTATION.

2:36:31IF DEMAND FOR TRANSPORTATION

2:36:32FUELS DOES NOT GO DOWN, THEN

2:36:34THE DRAWDOWN REQUIREMENT WOULD

2:36:35LIKELY CAUSE A FUEL CRISIS AND

2:36:36SPIKE GAS PRICES. THE

2:36:39LEGISLATURE WOULD NOT LET THAT

2:36:40HAPPEN. THEY JUST OVERRIDE THE

2:36:41DRAWDOWN REQUIREMENT INSTEAD.

2:36:43SO IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DRAW

2:36:44DOWN REQUIREMENT TO STAND, WE

2:36:45SHOULD BE DOING EVERYTHING WE

2:36:47CAN TO REDUCE DEMAND. WE ARE

2:36:48JUST ONE PART OF THE REGIONAL

2:36:50MARKET. WE ARE A SIGNIFICANT

2:36:51PART. IN ADDITION, EVEN IF THE

2:36:54LEGISLATURE WOULD ALLOW THAT TO

2:36:55HAPPEN, WOULD WE REALLY WANT TO

2:36:56CAUSE A HUGE INCREASE IN GAS

2:36:58PRICES IF WE HAVEN'T MADE THE

2:36:59INVESTMENTS TO ENSURE

2:37:00PORTLANDERS HAVE ALTERNATIVES

2:37:01TO DRIVING FOSSIL FUEL CARS,

2:37:03TRANSIT, ELECTRIC CAR

2:37:05INFRASTRUCTURE, MEASURES TO

2:37:06PROMOTE BIKING AND WALKING. IF

2:37:08ALTERNATIVES ARE INSUFFICIENT,

2:37:09PORTLANDERS WOULD JUST BE STUCK

2:37:11PAYING HIGHER GAS PRICES, WHICH

2:37:12WOULD, OF COURSE,

2:37:13DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECT LOW

2:37:14INCOME PEOPLE. WHY 40%?

2:37:17CURRENTLY, 40% OF GREENHOUSE

2:37:19GAS EMISSIONS IN PORTLAND COME

2:37:20FROM TRANSPORTATION. BUT IN THE

2:37:22CURRENT CIP, WE ONLY SPEND

2:37:23ABOUT 22% OF THE FUNDS IN

2:37:25TRANSPORTATION. THE BULK OF THE

2:37:27MONEY, MORE THAN HALF GOES TO

2:37:29PROJECTS THAT INVOLVE REDUCING

2:37:30EMISSIONS FROM BUILDINGS. AND

2:37:31AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CEP

2:37:32PROGRAM, HARDLY ANYTHING WENT

2:37:34TO TRANSPORTATION. THERE'S

2:37:36ACTUALLY A STRONG ARGUMENT WE

2:37:37SHOULD BE SPENDING MORE THAN

2:37:3840% OF TRANSPORTATION.

2:37:40TRANSPORTATION IS A VERY TOUGH

2:37:42NUT TO CRACK. IN RECENT YEARS,

2:37:43EMISSIONS FROM BUILDINGS HAVE

2:37:44BEEN GOING DOWN IN A MUCH

2:37:46FASTER RATE THAN FROM

2:37:47TRANSPORTATION. SINCE THE

2:37:48LEGISLATURE HAS ORDERED PJI AND

2:37:49PACIFIC CORE TO MOVE TO 100%

2:37:51RENEWABLE, WE SHOULD EXPECT

2:37:53THAT TREND TO CONTINUE, BECAUSE

2:37:56A ELECTRICALLY POWERED HEATING

2:37:58AND COOLING WILL HAVE LOWER

2:38:00EMISSIONS, BUT WE REALLY CAN'T

2:38:01EXPECT TRANSPORTATION EMISSIONS

2:38:02TO DECLINE AS QUICKLY AS WE

2:38:04WANT WITHOUT MAJOR INVESTMENTS

2:38:06IN TRANSIT, BIKING, WALKING AND

2:38:07ELECTRIC CAR INFRASTRUCTURE.

2:38:10NEXT QUESTION BEFORE COMMITTING

2:38:12TO 40%, DON'T WE NEED TO HEAR

2:38:13FROM COMMUNITY? THAT'S

2:38:14SOMETHING I HEARD FROM CHERISE

2:38:15BARK LAST WEEK. I PUT COMMUNITY

2:38:17IN QUOTES HERE BECAUSE THAT

2:38:18TERM GETS USED A LOT IN CITY

2:38:20HALL. I DON'T THINK THERE'S

2:38:21AGREEMENT ON WHAT IT MEANS.

2:38:22OFTEN IT SEEMS TO REFER TO

2:38:24PEOPLE WHO CAN BE ACTIVATED BY

2:38:25POLITICALLY ENGAGED NONPROFITS.

2:38:27IF A NONPROFIT SENDS OUT AN APB

2:38:28AND WE GET 200 EMAILS AND 20

2:38:30PEOPLE SHOW UP TO A COUNCIL

2:38:31MEETING, BY GOD, WE'VE HEARD

2:38:33FROM COMMUNITY, BUT THE ACTUAL

2:38:34COMMUNITY OF PORTLAND IS OVER

2:38:35100 000 PEOPLE, AND THE

2:38:37COMMUNITY OF SFF PRIORITY

2:38:38POPULATION IS OVER 200,000

2:38:40PEOPLE. WE CAN'T ASSUME THAT

2:38:41ANY NONPROFIT SPEAKS FOR THAT

2:38:43BIG A COMMUNITY ON EVERY ISSUE.

2:38:45THE ONLY RELIABLE WAY TO GET A

2:38:47REAL SENSE OF HOW A COMMUNITY

2:38:48THAT LARGE THINKS ABOUT THAT

2:38:50ISSUE IS THROUGH SCIENTIFIC

2:38:51POLLING, COUNCILOR KANAL AND I

2:38:53POLLED 500 PEOPLE FROM PRIORITY

2:38:55POPULATIONS, PLUS 300 RANDOM

2:38:56WHITE PEOPLE, AS A SORT OF

2:38:58CONTROL GROUP ON HOW SFF MONEY

2:38:59SHOULD BE SPENT. GIVEN THREE

2:39:01OPTIONS OF HOW TO SPEND PCF

2:39:03MONEY, GENERATING MORE

2:39:04RENEWABLE ENERGY LOCALLY,

2:39:05WEATHERIZING HOMES TO MAKE THEM

2:39:06MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT, OR

2:39:08MAKING BUS SERVICE MORE

2:39:09FREQUENT AND RELIABLE. THE PCEF

2:39:10PRIORITY POPULATIONS

2:39:12PRIORITIZED IMPROVED BUS

2:39:13SERVICE. BY CONTRAST, WHITE

2:39:14PEOPLE PRIORITIZE GENERATING

2:39:16MORE RENEWABLE ENERGY LOCALLY.

2:39:19IN ADDITION, WE TOLD PEOPLE

2:39:20THAT BUILDINGS AND

2:39:21TRANSPORTATION EMIT ABOUT AN

2:39:21EQUAL AMOUNT OF POLLUTION.

2:39:23RIGHT NOW, BUILDINGS ARE AT 42%,

2:39:25TRANSPORTATION IS AT 40%, AND

2:39:26WE ASKED IF STAFF SHOULD SPEND

2:39:28MORE FUNDS ON BUILDINGS, MORE

2:39:30TRANSPORTATION OR AN EQUAL

2:39:30AMOUNT ON THE TWO OF PRIORITY

2:39:33POPULATIONS, 42% SAID EQUAL 17%

2:39:35SAID TRANSPORTATION, 17% SAID

2:39:37BUILDINGS. THE REST HAD NO

2:39:38OPINION. THE BOTTOM LINE IS

2:39:41PRIORITY. POPULATIONS THINK

2:39:42TRANSPORTATION IS IMPORTANT,

2:39:44CONTINUING THE CURRENT POLICY

2:39:45OF SPENDING MORE THAN TWICE AS

2:39:46MUCH MONEY ON BUILDINGS AS ON

2:39:48TRANSPORTATION IS NOT

2:39:49CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY'S

2:39:50WISHES. NEXT QUESTION SHOULDN'T

2:39:53THE PCF COMMITTEE MAKE THIS

2:39:55DECISION? ANSWER THE ORIGINAL

2:39:58CONCEPT OF PCF WASN'T THAT THE

2:39:59PCF COMMITTEE WOULD BE GIVEN A

2:40:01LUMP SUM AND DECIDE HOW TO

2:40:02SPEND IT? THE BALLOT MEASURE

2:40:03ESTABLISHED PERCENTAGE

2:40:04PARAMETERS 40 TO 60% TO QUOTE

2:40:06RENEWABLE ENERGY AND ENERGY

2:40:08EFFICIENCY. AND BY THE WAY,

2:40:09ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION

2:40:10METHODS ARE MORE ENERGY

2:40:11EFFICIENT THAN GAS CARS, 20 TO

2:40:1425% IN JOB TRAINING AND 10 TO

2:40:1515% IN REGENERATIVE AGRICULTURE.

2:40:17THE COUNCIL SUBSEQUENTLY

2:40:18ELIMINATED THOSE PERCENTAGE

2:40:20REQUIREMENTS. I THINK IT IS

2:40:21APPROPRIATE FOR THE COUNCIL, AS

2:40:22THE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES OF

2:40:23THE PEOPLE OF PORTLAND, TO

2:40:24START RESTORING SOME BROAD

2:40:26PARAMETERS. I WOULD EXPECT THE

2:40:27COMMITTEE TO BE INVOLVED IN HOW

2:40:28TO SPEND 40% ON TRANSPORTATION.

2:40:32NEXT QUESTION. YOU'RE TALKING

2:40:33ABOUT INVESTING IN TRANSIT,

2:40:34ISN'T IT? THE LEGISLATURE'S

2:40:36RESPONSIBILITY TO FUND TRIMET?

2:40:38ANSWER. FIRST OF ALL, EVEN IF

2:40:40YOU DIDN'T SPEND ANYTHING ON

2:40:41TRANSIT, YOU COULD EASILY SPEND

2:40:43$80 MILLION A YEAR ON BIKE,

2:40:44WHICH IS 40% OF PCF NOW ON

2:40:46BIKING, WALKING, AND ELECTRIC

2:40:47CAR INFRASTRUCTURE. SECOND,

2:40:49PEOPLE DON'T CARE WHICH

2:40:51GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR A SERVICE,

2:40:53THEY JUST WANT THE SERVICE.

2:40:55DEMAND FOR FUEL IN THE CI HUB

2:40:56WILL RESPOND TO HOW MANY PEOPLE

2:40:58ARE USING TRANSIT, NOT WHO'S

2:41:00PAYING FOR TRANSIT. AND THIRD,

2:41:02THE CITY HAS A WHOLE SEPARATE

2:41:03TAX. THE ARTS TAX, MOST OF THE

2:41:05MONEY FROM WHICH GOES TO THE

2:41:07SCHOOLS. THEORETICALLY, THE

2:41:08LEGISLATURE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR

2:41:09PAYING FOR THE SCHOOLS, BUT I

2:41:10HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY IN

2:41:11COUNCIL SAY, LET'S CUT OUT THE

2:41:13PART OF THE ARTS TAX THAT GOES

2:41:15TO SCHOOLS. IN FACT, A MAJORITY

2:41:16OF THE COUNCIL VOTED TO

2:41:17INCREASE THE ARTS TAX. WHAT I'M

2:41:20ASKING YOU TO DO, COLLEAGUES,

2:41:21IS TO COMMIT TO PUTTING OUR

2:41:24MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS. IF WE

2:41:26REALLY WANT A REDUCTION IN FUEL

2:41:29IN THE CI HUB, WE SHOULD BE

2:41:31DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO

2:41:33REDUCE THE DEMAND FOR LIQUID

2:41:35FUEL. IF WE WANT A REDUCTION OF

2:41:37FUEL IN THE CI HUB, WHICH

2:41:39DOESN'T HAVE THE UNINTENDED

2:41:41EFFECT OF SIMPLY RAISING GAS

2:41:42PRICES ON PORTLANDERS, WE

2:41:44SHOULD BE GIVING PORTLANDERS

2:41:46TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES,

2:41:47AND WE'RE NOT DOING ENOUGH OF

2:41:48THAT NOW. SO I AM ASKING YOU TO

2:41:53VOTE FOR, YOU KNOW, VOTE FOR

2:41:55THE CLIMATE, TO VOTE FOR ACTUAL

2:41:57REDUCTION, TO VOTE TO COMMIT

2:41:58THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE PUTTING

2:41:59OUR MONEY WITH OUR MOUTHS ARE

2:42:01TO VOTE FOR SOME LEVEL OF

2:42:02INTELLECTUAL COHERENCE. SO I

2:42:04ASKED FOR A YES VOTE ON MY

2:42:05AMENDMENT.

2:42:06>> AND COUNCILOR YOU FORMALLY

2:42:07MOVING NOVICK.

2:42:08>> FORMALLY FORMALLY MOVE MY.

2:42:10>> THANK YOU.

2:42:10>> IS THERE A SECOND?

2:42:12>> SECOND.

2:42:12>> COUNCILOR NOVICK MOVES

2:42:13NOVICK ONE VICE PRESIDENT CLARK

2:42:15SECONDS. COLLEAGUES, WE ARE IN

2:42:16DISCUSSION OF THE AMENDMENT.

2:42:18COUNCILOR ZIMMERMAN, IS THAT A

2:42:19LEGACY HAND. THANK YOU,

2:42:21COUNCILOR NOVICK ALSO. THERE WE

2:42:22GO. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR

2:42:24MORILLO.

2:42:31>> OKAY, SO I DO APPRECIATE THE

2:42:36INTENTION OF THIS AMENDMENT. AS

2:42:37SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A CAR

2:42:41AND NEEDS TO TAKE PUBLIC

2:42:42TRANSIT AND RIDE MY BIKE TO GET

2:42:44AROUND PLACES. I KNOW THAT IN

2:42:48YOUR Q AND A, YOU SAY THAT, YOU

2:42:50KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT

2:42:52WHICH GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR WHICH

2:42:54SERVICE. AND I AGREE, AND

2:42:56THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT THEIR

2:42:58RESPONSIBILITY TO CARE ABOUT

2:42:59THAT. BUT IT IS OUR

2:43:00RESPONSIBILITY AS THE BUDGET

2:43:02AUTHORITY TO CARE ABOUT THAT,

2:43:04BECAUSE THE CITY OF PORTLAND,

2:43:07I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE

2:43:09FINANCIAL STAKES THAT ARE

2:43:11COMING BEFORE US, AND THAT IS

2:43:14PARTIALLY WHY I'VE BEEN AGAINST

2:43:15SOME OF THE MAJOR INVESTMENT

2:43:17PROJECTS THAT PEOPLE ARE

2:43:18PROPOSING, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T

2:43:19THINK THE MONEY IS THERE. SO

2:43:23THE REALITY IS THAT, YES, FOR

2:43:25US AS LEGISLATORS AND AS POLICY

2:43:27MAKERS AND BUDGET AUTHORITY

2:43:28FOLKS, YES, THE LEGISLATURE DID

2:43:31FAIL TO FUND THE TO FUND PUBLIC

2:43:34TRANSIT. AND THAT DOES MATTER

2:43:36BECAUSE WE HAVE VERY LIMITED

2:43:38DOLLARS HERE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL

2:43:39TO WORK WITH. SO I LIKE THE

2:43:42IDEA OF THIS. I GUESS I'M NOT.

2:43:44I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE

2:43:46WOULD PASS THIS HERE AND PUT IT

2:43:49IN STONE RATHER THAN WAIT FOR

2:43:51THE, THE PROCESS TO ACTUALLY

2:43:53HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH

2:43:56STAKEHOLDERS BEFORE MAKING THIS

2:43:58UNILATERAL DECISION FROM THE

2:44:00COUNCIL. I THINK THAT THERE ARE

2:44:02OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE THIS

2:44:03CHANGE. AND I THINK THAT IN THE

2:44:05NEXT CLIMATE INVESTMENT PLAN,

2:44:06IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT THIS WILL

2:44:08HAPPEN, BECAUSE FROM WHAT I'VE

2:44:10HEARD, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE

2:44:11INTERESTED IN USING PCEF FOR

2:44:12TRANSIT. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT

2:44:17WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION, ANY

2:44:19OF US, ON WHAT THE QUOTE

2:44:21UNQUOTE, COMMUNITY WANTS,

2:44:22BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN GIVEN

2:44:24THE TIME FOR THAT PROCESS IN

2:44:25THE FIRST PLACE. SO I THINK FOR

2:44:28THAT REASON, EVEN THOUGH,

2:44:30FRANKLY, THIS WOULD BENEFIT ME

2:44:32THE MOST, I DON'T THINK I CAN

2:44:34SUPPORT THIS TODAY. AND I THINK

2:44:39FOR THE RECORD, TO EVERY SINGLE

2:44:41PERSON UP HERE HATES THE THE

2:44:42ORIGINAL ARTS TAX AND DIDN'T

2:44:44EVEN LIKE THE UPDATE THAT MUCH,

2:44:46BUT WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING TO

2:44:47MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER,

2:44:49GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT WAS A

2:44:51VOTER APPROVED BALLOT MEASURE

2:44:52THAT NOW EVERYONE COMPLAINS

2:44:53ABOUT. SO THERE ARE LOTS OF

2:44:54THINGS LIKE, I LOVE WHAT THE

2:44:56ARTS TAX FUNDS. I DON'T REALLY

2:44:57LIKE HOW IT'S STRUCTURED. AND I

2:44:59THINK WE MADE A MARGINAL

2:45:00ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT BETTER. BUT

2:45:02I THINK THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE

2:45:04CHOICE BEFORE US TO NOT REPEAT

2:45:05THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST, THEN

2:45:07WE SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE THAT

2:45:08CHOICE. SO FOR THOSE REASONS,

2:45:10I'M GOING TO BE VOTING NO ON

2:45:12THIS.

2:45:12>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR MORILLO

2:45:13COUNCILOR PIRTLE-GUINEY.

2:45:15>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT

2:45:16COUNCILOR NOVICK, JUST TO

2:45:17CLARIFY, THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE

2:45:19THIS ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE,

2:45:23DOES IT PUT THIS LANGUAGE IN

2:45:24CODE OR DOES IT JUST PUT IT IN

2:45:26THE ORDINANCE AS A DIRECTIVE?

2:45:28>> IT'S A IT'S IN THE FINDINGS,

2:45:30OKAY. IT'S AN EXPRESSION OF A

2:45:32COMMITMENT.

2:45:32>> SO WE.

2:45:32>> ARE KIND OF LIKE A WHEREAS

2:45:34CLAUSE.

2:45:35>> PERFECT. THAT'S HOW I WAS

2:45:36READING THIS WAS LIKE A.

2:45:38WHEREAS CLAUSE. I WANTED TO

2:45:41CLARIFY THAT ON THE RECORD. SO

2:45:43COLLEAGUES, AS YOU MAY HAVE

2:45:45PICKED UP ON COUNCILOR. NOVICK.

2:45:46AND I DON'T AGREE ON EVERYTHING

2:45:49AROUND OUR PRIORITIES FOR CF

2:45:51AND AS IT RELATES TO OUR

2:45:53PRIORITIES FOR HOW FUNDING ON

2:45:54TRANSPORTATION MIGHT BE SPENT,

2:45:57I THINK WILL BE ASKING FOR THE

2:45:59PCEF COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT

2:46:00DIFFERENT THINGS WITHIN THE

2:46:01TRANSPORTATION BUCKET. BUT I

2:46:03AGREE WITH COUNCILOR NOVICK

2:46:04THAT WE NEED TO DO MORE ON

2:46:07TRANSPORTATION IN GENERAL,

2:46:08WHERE WE KNOW THAT WE WILL GET

2:46:10THE MOST REDUCTION IN IN

2:46:14EMISSIONS FOR THE DOLLARS THAT

2:46:16WE PUT IN. WE HAD A

2:46:18PRESENTATION IN THE CITY LIFE

2:46:20COMMITTEE RECENTLY ABOUT HOW

2:46:23WOEFULLY FAR OFF WE ARE RIGHT

2:46:24NOW FROM MEETING OUR CLIMATE

2:46:25GOALS. AND THIS IS THE AREA

2:46:28WHERE WE CAN CATCH UP THE MOST

2:46:31ON OUR CLIMATE GOALS, AND IT IS

2:46:33DIRECTLY RELATED TO WHAT WE ARE

2:46:35DOING IN THE REST OF THIS

2:46:37ORDINANCE. AS COUNCILOR NOVICK

2:46:39SAID IT, IT IS DIRECTLY RELATED

2:46:41TO OUR ABILITY TO ACTUALLY

2:46:44DECREASE DEMAND SO THAT THE

2:46:45DRAW DOWN OF FUELS IS WORKING

2:46:48WITH OUR ECONOMY, SO THAT

2:46:51INCREASING SAFETY IN OUR

2:46:53COMMUNITIES IS WORKING WITH OUR

2:46:55ECONOMY, INSTEAD OF REACHING

2:46:58THAT POINT WHERE OUR ECONOMIC

2:47:00NEEDS AND OUR SAFETY NEEDS ARE

2:47:01AT ODDS WITH EACH OTHER.

2:47:04COUNCILOR NOVICK. I AM

2:47:07UNCOMFORTABLE GOING UP TO THE

2:47:0940% MARK. I'M UNCOMFORTABLE

2:47:10WITH THAT BECAUSE, AS YOU NOTED,

2:47:12THE ORIGINAL DIRECTION ON PCEF

2:47:14DID INCLUDE THINGS THAT THAT

2:47:17ARE IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES

2:47:19THAN 100%. WHAT IS REDUCING OUR

2:47:22WHAT IS LEADING US TO MORE

2:47:23RENEWABLE ENERGY AND ENERGY

2:47:25EFFICIENCY? THAT JOB TRAINING,

2:47:26REGENERATIVE AGRICULTURE. THERE

2:47:27ARE OTHER PRODUCTS THAT MAY NOT

2:47:29FIT WITHIN THAT PRIMARY

2:47:31CATEGORY. BUT IF, AS YOU HEAR

2:47:33THE DEBATE, YOU FIND THAT THERE

2:47:34IS AN INTEREST AROUND THIS DAIS

2:47:37IN TALKING ABOUT MAKING

2:47:38PROGRESS, INCREASING THE

2:47:40PERCENTAGE, MAYBE A 30%

2:47:43PERCENTAGE OR LANGUAGE LIKE

2:47:45MOVING CLOSER TO THE

2:47:47PROPORTIONAL 40% OF OUR

2:47:49EMISSIONS THAT ARE TIED TO

2:47:51TRANSPORTATION. I WOULD BE VERY

2:47:54INTERESTED IN LANGUAGE LIKE

2:47:56THAT. AND IN NOTING IN OUR OUR

2:47:59ORDINANCE, THE NEED TO BE DOING

2:48:01THIS WORK ON THE FRONT END AS

2:48:02WELL. THANK YOU.

2:48:05>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR

2:48:06PIRTLE-GUINEY. COUNCILOR.

2:48:08KOYAMA LANE. BUT JUST A QUICK

2:48:09PROGRAMING NOTE, COLLEAGUES, IT

2:48:10IS 445. WE ARE WE HAVE

2:48:12ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS AFTER

2:48:13THIS. AND SO WE WILL NOT BE

2:48:15FINISHING THIS ITEM TODAY.

2:48:16WE'LL GET THROUGH SOME DEBATE

2:48:17AND WE WILL BE CONTINUING THIS

2:48:18ITEM AT 5:00. COUNCILOR KOYAMA

2:48:20LANE.

2:48:21>> I WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR

2:48:22NOVICK FOR BRINGING THIS UP AND

2:48:24FOR CARING ABOUT. DRAW DOWN A

2:48:28REAL HAVING A REAL DRAW DOWN OF

2:48:32OUR NEED FOR TRANSPORTATION

2:48:34FUEL. I SEE YOUR COMMITMENT AND

2:48:35I HEAR YOU CONTINUING TO TALK

2:48:37ABOUT IT. YOU'RE NOT SURPRISED

2:48:39BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT

2:48:41THAT. I'M NOT QUITE COMFORTABLE

2:48:42WITH THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE OF

2:48:43THE 40%. I WOULD FEEL MORE

2:48:45COMFORTABLE WITH. A COUNCIL

2:48:47EXPRESSES COMMITMENT TO

2:48:48INCORPORATE STRATEGIES TO

2:48:49REDUCE THE DEMAND FOR FOSSIL

2:48:50FUELS AND TRANSPORTATION ACROSS

2:48:53ITS PLANNING AND OPERATIONS.

2:48:55I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS IS

2:48:56THE EXACT PLACE TO DO THIS, AND

2:48:58I ALSO KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO

2:48:59HAVE A CHANCE TO BE ENGAGING IN

2:49:01PLANNING FOR THE NEXT CIP THIS

2:49:03FALL, WHICH I BELIEVE

2:49:05STAKEHOLDERS ARE REALLY EXCITED

2:49:06TO HAVE COUNCILORS BE MORE PART

2:49:08OF THAT CONVERSATION. I AGREE

2:49:09THAT WE NEED TO DO MORE TO MAKE

2:49:12SURE THAT WE ARE REDUCING THE

2:49:13DEMAND FOR FOSSIL FUELS AND

2:49:15TRANSPORTATION. YEAH, BUT IT

2:49:18CAN'T SUPPORT IT HOW IT IS

2:49:19RIGHT NOW. BUT THANK YOU.

2:49:21>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR KOYAMA

2:49:22LANE COUNCILOR AVALOS.

2:49:24>> I'LL JUST ECHO WHAT MY

2:49:25COLLEAGUE SAID AND APPRECIATE

2:49:27YOUR DILIGENCE. I UNDERSTAND

2:49:29WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, AND I

2:49:31DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A

2:49:33MORE SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT

2:49:34THE WAY THAT SFF ADDRESSES

2:49:37THESE THESE NEEDS, BUT THIS IS

2:49:40NOT THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT. I

2:49:42DON'T KNOW THAT THAT PERCENTAGE

2:49:44IS CORRECT. AND I WANT TO WHEN

2:49:46I SAY COMMUNITY, I MEAN THE

2:49:48PEOPLE THAT WE PUT IN CHARGE OF

2:49:49MAKING DECISIONS FOR SFF. AND I

2:49:52WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEIR TAKE IS

2:49:53ON THIS. AND WE'RE ABOUT TO

2:49:54EMBARK ON A WHOLE NEW CIP. AND

2:49:56THAT IS WHERE WE CAN HAVE A

2:49:58MORE DILIGENT PROCESS THAT IS

2:50:01HOLISTIC AND DOES ACTUALLY

2:50:02INCLUDE THE ENTIRE CITY AS

2:50:04WE'RE DEVELOPING THAT. AND SO I

2:50:06WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS TODAY,

2:50:07BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS,

2:50:10AND I AGREE WITH YOUR

2:50:11INTENTIONS, AND I LOOK FORWARD

2:50:12TO WORKING WITH YOU ON

2:50:13ACCOMPLISHING THIS IN ANOTHER

2:50:15WAY AS WE ENTER THE CIP. THANKS.

2:50:17>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR AVALOS.

2:50:18COUNCILOR SMITH.

2:50:20>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.

2:50:23I, TOO, APPRECIATE YOUR

2:50:25INTEREST IN THIS COUNCILOR

2:50:27NOVICK. I WILL NOT BE

2:50:28SUPPORTING IT BECAUSE I THINK

2:50:30IT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT PLACE. I

2:50:31THINK THIS IS A STANDALONE

2:50:33RESOLUTION, AND IT SHOULD HAVE

2:50:34BEEN BROUGHT AS A STANDALONE

2:50:36BECAUSE, AS YOU SEE. NO ONE IN

2:50:39THE COMMUNITY KNEW YOU WERE

2:50:41BRINGING THIS FORWARD. SO TO

2:50:42HAVE THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT

2:50:44NOW, AND IF THEY HAD KNOWN THAT

2:50:47YOU WERE GOING TO BE ADDING AN

2:50:48AMENDMENT TO PCEF, THAT WOULD

2:50:51HAVE AN IMPACT ON PCEF, THAT

2:50:53WOULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY. AND

2:50:55I DO WANT TO WAIT FOR THE TIME

2:50:58FRAME IN THE FALL TO SEE WHAT'S

2:51:00WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND I'D LIKE

2:51:02TO HEAR THIS AS A STANDALONE,

2:51:03NOT AS AN AMENDMENT. IT'S A,

2:51:05YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY

2:51:07AGGRESSIVE WAY TO, TO, TO MAKE

2:51:08YOUR POINT. BUT I HEAR YOU LOUD

2:51:12AND CLEAR. I WON'T BE SUPPORT

2:51:14SUPPORTING THIS.

2:51:15>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SMITH.

2:51:16COUNCILOR NOVICK.

2:51:18>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.

2:51:19FIRST OF ALL, I DO WANT TO SAY

2:51:21THAT I DID GIVE THE CO-CHAIRS

2:51:23OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE A HEADS UP

2:51:24ABOUT THIS A FEW DAYS AGO.

2:51:26DIDN'T HEAR HER RESPONSE FROM

2:51:27THEM. I WANT TO SAY THAT AN

2:51:29ARGUMENT FOR DOING THIS NOW IS

2:51:33TO IMPROVE THE CREDIBILITY OF

2:51:34THIS BODY. I THINK THAT IF WE

2:51:37SAY WE WANT TO REDUCE THE

2:51:40AMOUNT OF FUEL IN THE SCI HUB,

2:51:42AND WE AND WE DON'T AT THE SAME

2:51:45TIME COMMIT TO DOING WHAT WE

2:51:46CAN TO REDUCE DEMAND. I THINK

2:51:48THERE'S AN ARGUMENT THAT WE

2:51:49LOOK SILLY. I THINK IT'S

2:51:50IMPORTANT TO SAY RIGHT NOW,

2:51:52TODAY, THAT WE ARE PREPARED TO

2:51:54PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTHS

2:51:56ARE. I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT

2:51:58FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE

2:51:59BEEN SPENDING MORE THAN HALF OF

2:52:01THE MONEY IN SFF ON BUILDINGS.

2:52:04SO I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT

2:52:05EVENING THAT EVENING THAT OUT.

2:52:07I MEAN, IF I WANTED EVEN IT OUT,

2:52:08I'D SAY LET'S SPEND 53% ON

2:52:10TRANSPORTATION OVER THE NEXT

2:52:11FIVE YEARS. I'M JUST TALKING

2:52:13ABOUT GETTING TO 40%, WHICH IS

2:52:15THE PERCENTAGE OF EMISSIONS

2:52:16COMING FROM TRANSPORTATION TO

2:52:17GET US A LITTLE CLOSER TOWARDS

2:52:19PARITY. SO I DON'T THINK I'M

2:52:20BEING EXTREME. I ALSO WANT TO

2:52:22SAY THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE MY

2:52:23COLLEAGUES KIND WORDS, AND I

2:52:27KNOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT

2:52:29IF THIS AMENDMENT FAILS, YOU

2:52:30CAN LOOK FORWARD. WHEN WE TALK

2:52:32ABOUT THE CIP, THE CIP, NEW CIP

2:52:35NEXT YEAR, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF

2:52:37ALL OF US ARE REELECTED, WE'LL

2:52:38START DISCUSSING, ACCORDING TO

2:52:39SAM BARRASSO IN MARCH, PART OF

2:52:42THIS WAS TO SERVE. YOU NOTICE

2:52:44THAT WHATEVER WE TALK ABOUT THE

2:52:45AMOUNT OF MONEY IN PCEF GOING

2:52:47INTO TRANSPORTATION, I WILL BE

2:52:48JUMPING UP AND DOWN SAYING, SCI

2:52:49HUB, SCI HUB AT THE TOP OF MY

2:52:51LUNGS. BUT THEN OBVIOUSLY I'M

2:52:53GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT

2:52:54REGARDLESS OF THE VOTE TODAY,

2:52:55BUT I REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE

2:52:58IT IF WE GOT A YES VOTE TO SHOW

2:53:00THAT WE ARE SERIOUS, THAT WE

2:53:03COME TO PLAY WHEN IT COMES TO

2:53:04THE SCI HUB.

2:53:05>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR. NOVICK.

2:53:07COUNCILOR.

2:53:07>> RYAN YES, THANK YOU, COUNCIL

2:53:09PRESIDENT PERHAPS. COUNCILOR.

2:53:11NOVICK. BECAUSE YOU SOCIALIZE

2:53:12THIS A FEW TIMES IN THE FORMER

2:53:14CLIMATE COMMITTEE. I'M NOT

2:53:17TAKEN BACK BY THIS AT ALL. AND

2:53:19I THINK IT GETS TO THE HEART OF

2:53:20THE MATTER. AND IT'S THE ACTION

2:53:22THAT WILL ACTUALLY HAVE IMPACT

2:53:23ON OUR CLIMATE. SO I'M GOING TO

2:53:25VOTE YESTERDAY ON THIS

2:53:26AMENDMENT. THANK YOU.

2:53:27>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR RYAN.

2:53:29COUNCILOR ZIMMERMAN.

2:53:31>> STEVE, I LOVE IT. I THINK I

2:53:34THINK YOU'VE GOT HIM ON THE

2:53:35ROPES A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT?

2:53:36BECAUSE THERE'S THIS DOGMA

2:53:37AROUND. NOBODY CAN TALK ABOUT

2:53:39SFF UNLESS YOU'RE ON THE

2:53:40SUBCOMMITTEE. AND I THINK

2:53:41YOU'VE JUST NAILED IT IN TERMS

2:53:43OF THERE'S SOME MORE DIRECTION

2:53:44GIVING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN FROM

2:53:45THIS COUNCIL. AND I THINK THAT

2:53:47YOU ARE STRIKING A HEART AT WHY

2:53:49I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE AGGRESSIVE

2:53:52TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS ON

2:53:54THE CARBON EMISSIONS AND

2:53:56TRANSPORTATION EMISSIONS. SO I,

2:53:59I HAVE FELT THE PUSHBACK FROM

2:54:02THE KIND OF INSULAR. AND I AT

2:54:05TIMES, I THINK STAFF HAS

2:54:07LARGELY BUILT UP THAT INSULAR

2:54:10NATURE AROUND AROUND THIS ISSUE.

2:54:12BUT I THINK YOU'RE STRIKING

2:54:13RIGHT AT WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.

2:54:15THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTION

2:54:16MARKS THAT I HAVE ON THIS, AND

2:54:18I'D LIKE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND

2:54:20SOME OF THE SOME OF THE, YOU

2:54:22KNOW, THE OUTCOMES AND WHAT

2:54:24MIGHT MIGHT CHANGE IN PCEF. BUT

2:54:27LARGELY, I SEEM VERY SUPPORTIVE

2:54:29OF THIS BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE,

2:54:31LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN THE ONE

2:54:32PERSON, THE ONE VOICE ON THIS

2:54:33WHO IS TALKING ABOUT REAL

2:54:35IMPACT INSTEAD OF MAKING SURE

2:54:37THAT VARIOUS COMMUNITY GROUPS

2:54:39AND NONPROFITS GET THEIR PIECE

2:54:40TO START THEIR, THEIR, YOU KNOW,

2:54:42PART OF THE BUSINESS, IF YOU

2:54:43WILL, BUT YOU'RE THE ONE

2:54:44TALKING ABOUT CHANGING CLIMATE

2:54:46IMPACTS. AND I REALLY

2:54:47APPRECIATE THAT. SO THANK YOU,

2:54:49COUNCILOR.

2:54:50>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR

2:54:51ZIMMERMAN. COLLEAGUES, I PUT

2:54:52MYSELF IN THE QUEUE NEXT. I

2:54:54ACTUALLY VERY MUCH AGREE WITH

2:54:56WHAT, WHAT, WHERE COUNCILOR

2:54:58ZIMMERMAN WAS STARTING TO SAY

2:54:59THAT I THINK THERE REALLY IS A

2:55:01VERY SERIOUS NEED FOR THIS BODY

2:55:05TO REVIEW AND PUT SOME

2:55:06GUIDELINES AROUND THE SFF

2:55:07ALLOCATIONS. I THINK THAT

2:55:08THERE'S A NARRATIVE IN THE

2:55:10BROADER COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE

2:55:12GOING A MILE WIDE AND AN INCH

2:55:13DEEP, THAT WE ARE RUDDERLESS,

2:55:15AND WE'RE NOT ACCOMPLISHING THE

2:55:16BIG GOALS THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE

2:55:17ACCOMPLISHING. AND I THINK THAT

2:55:20THAT HAS BEEN ARTICULATED HERE.

2:55:21AND I KEEP HEARING THAT OVER IN

2:55:23CONVERSATIONS OVER. I THINK

2:55:24THAT THIS IS A GREAT PLACE FOR

2:55:25THIS DISCUSSION. I THINK THAT

2:55:27THIS ORDINANCE IS NOT THE RIGHT

2:55:29PLACE TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF

2:55:30PRESCRIPTIVE GOALS. I THINK IT

2:55:32NEEDS TO BE, AS PART OF THE

2:55:34MORE HOLISTIC DISCUSSION ON THE

2:55:36TOPIC OF PCEF AND TRYING TO

2:55:39REALLY RECENTER THE THE

2:55:41COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, BUT

2:55:42ALSO THE ACTUAL WORK OF IT. SO

2:55:46I WILL BE A NO ON THIS

2:55:48AMENDMENT TODAY, BUT DO

2:55:49APPRECIATE AND SUPPORT THE MORE

2:55:51DIRECTIVE CONVERSATION COMING

2:55:53FORWARD. AND I ALSO WANT TO

2:55:54JUST MENTION THAT 250 000

2:55:57PEOPLE BEING EXEMPTED FROM

2:55:58PAYING THE ARTS EDUCATION TAX

2:55:59IS BETTER THAN A MARGINAL

2:56:00IMPROVEMENT.

2:56:03>> I VOTED YES, YOU. DID VOTE

2:56:05YES, BUT I'M.

2:56:07>> ANYWAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU

2:56:08VERY MUCH, COLLEAGUES.

2:56:09COUNCILOR GREEN.

2:56:12>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR NOVICK

2:56:15I, I RODE THE BUS IN TODAY. I

2:56:17SIGNED UP FOR THE ONE WEEK

2:56:19WITHOUT DRIVING. I TRIED TO NOT

2:56:21DRIVE AS MUCH AS I CAN. IT IS

2:56:22DIFFICULT WHERE I LIVE TO NOT

2:56:24DRIVE, AND IT IS NOW EVEN MORE

2:56:26DIFFICULT TO TAKE THE BUS AFTER

2:56:28TRIMET'S CUTS. LIKE YOU, I HAVE

2:56:32ALSO AT TIMES SORT OF. I'M NOT

2:56:34GOING TO SAY BLURRED IT OUT

2:56:36NECESSARILY BECAUSE IT HAS A

2:56:37NEGATIVE CONNOTATION, BUT

2:56:38FEELING THE PASSION OF THE

2:56:40KNOWING THAT OUR TRIMET SYSTEM

2:56:42IS, IS, IS IN A DEATH SPIRAL IF

2:56:44WE DON'T DO SOMETHING I'VE

2:56:45TALKED ABOUT VERY CANDIDLY,

2:56:46VERY OPENLY, THAT WE NEED TO

2:56:48USE PCEF IN A MORE INTENTIONAL

2:56:50WAY TO BACKSTOP TRIMET. AND

2:56:52I'VE GOTTEN KIND OF A BIT OF A

2:56:54WHIPLASH ON THAT MYSELF. SO I

2:56:56APPRECIATE THE NEED TO, TO, TO

2:56:58PUT SOME COUNCIL INTENT HERE. I

2:57:01THINK IN TERMS OF LIKE

2:57:02CREDIBILITY OF THE BODY, I

2:57:04THINK THERE'S A LOT OF

2:57:06DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN DO THAT.

2:57:07WE COULD WE COULD ADOPT A

2:57:10RESOLUTION THAT SAYS, HERE'S

2:57:11WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THE NEXT

2:57:13CIP. I JUST HAD A MEETING WITH

2:57:14THE CHAIRS OR AND SOME OF THE

2:57:16SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS ON

2:57:18THE THE CLIMATE SUSTAINABILITY

2:57:20COMMISSION, THEY WERE GIVING US

2:57:21AN OVERVIEW OF THE CLIMATE

2:57:22ACTION PLAN. ONE OF THE THINGS

2:57:24THAT I SAID IS I WANT TO MAKE

2:57:26SURE THAT THE CLIMATE ACTION

2:57:27PLAN IS IN SYNC WITH THE CIP

2:57:30AND AND VICE VERSA. AND SO I

2:57:32THINK THAT'S LIKE COMMITTING TO.

2:57:34THAT IS WHAT GIVES CREDIBILITY

2:57:36TO THE BODY. ULTIMATELY, WE ARE

2:57:38THE DECISION MAKERS, BUT I

2:57:40BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY IN

2:57:43EMPOWERING OUR COMMUNITIES TO

2:57:44HELP US MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.

2:57:46AND SO THE CIP IS IMPORTANT,

2:57:48AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE

2:57:49NEED TO TAKE THIS UP. I DON'T

2:57:51THINK IT'S 40%. SO I CAN'T

2:57:53SUPPORT THIS TODAY. BUT BUT

2:57:54AGAIN, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR

2:57:55WILLINGNESS TO SORT OF SCREAM

2:57:57FROM THE MOUNTAINTOPS THAT WE

2:57:58NEED SOME MONEY FOR TRANSIT.

2:58:00THANKS.

2:58:01>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

2:58:02COUNCILOR GREEN COLLEAGUES

2:58:03PROGRAMING NOTE IT IS 456.

2:58:05THERE ARE STILL THREE OTHER

2:58:06COUNCILORS IN QUEUE. I AM

2:58:08GAVELING US OUT AT 5:00, BUT WE

2:58:09WILL KEEP THE ORDER OF FOLKS

2:58:11WHO ARE IN QUEUE TO CONTINUE

2:58:12THIS WHEN WE ARE CONTINUED ON

2:58:14THE SEVENTH. VICE PRESIDENT.

2:58:16>> CLERK THANK YOU, COUNCIL

2:58:17PRESIDENT, I REALLY APPRECIATE

2:58:19YOUR INTELLECTUAL INTEGRITY

2:58:21HERE, AND I THINK WE'RE SENDING

2:58:24AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE. IT MAY BE

2:58:26A SYMBOLIC VOTE ON OUR PART OR

2:58:28MY PART, BUT AS THE PERSON AT

2:58:30THE DAIS WHO RAISED BILLIONS OF

2:58:32DOLLARS FOR TRANSIT, I

2:58:34APPRECIATE THIS. AND THIS COULD

2:58:35FORCE US TO CHANGE PISF AND TO

2:58:39INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY

2:58:40THAT SFF BRINGS IN. SO THANK

2:58:42YOU. YOU HAVE MY VOTE.

2:58:43>> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT,

2:58:44CLERK COUNCILOR KANAL.

2:58:46>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I'M

2:58:47PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE PAST

2:58:495:00 IF I START ON THIS, SO I'M

2:58:51GOING TO LEAVE IT TO YOU HOW

2:58:52YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT.

2:58:54>> COUNCILOR HOW QUICK.

2:58:55>> DO YOU WANT ME? UNTIL NEXT

2:58:57WEEK.

2:58:58>> I'LL WAIT UNTIL NEXT.

2:58:59>> WEEK IF YOU WANT.

2:59:00>> TO JUST GAVEL.

2:59:01>> US OUT. ALL RIGHT.

2:59:03>> COLLEAGUES, UNDERSTANDING WE

2:59:03ARE AT A LIMIT OF TIME. I'M

2:59:05GOING TO READ MY LITTLE SCRIPT

2:59:07FOR A SECOND. ITEM 2026-312.

2:59:08THE ORDINANCE FOR THE BULK FUEL

2:59:10FOR BULK. BULK FUEL TERMINAL

2:59:13CAPACITY REDUCTION REGULATION

2:59:15IS CONTINUED TO AN ADDITIONAL

2:59:16MEETING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL

2:59:18ON OCTOBER 7TH, 2026 AT 10:00

2:59:20AM. THE RECORD FOR ORAL

2:59:22TESTIMONY ON THESE TWO

2:59:23ORDINANCES WAS CLOSED ON

2:59:25SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2026. THE

2:59:27RECORD FOR WRITTEN TESTIMONY ON

2:59:28THESE TWO ORDINANCES WAS CLOSED

2:59:29AS OF 12:00 NOON TODAY, OCTOBER

2:59:321ST, 2026, BASED ON COUNCIL

2:59:35DELIBERATIONS ON POSSIBLE

2:59:36AMENDMENTS, COUNCIL MAY DECIDE

2:59:37TO REOPEN THE RECORD FOR ORAL

2:59:39AND WRITTEN TESTIMONY AT A

2:59:40FUTURE MEETING. LAUREN, I'M

2:59:43LOOKING TO YOU TO SEE IF I NEED

2:59:44TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE. WE WILL

2:59:47VOTE ON NEXT WEEK.

2:59:49>> NO, THAT'S CORRECT, MR.

2:59:50CONTINUED.

2:59:51>> AND THE RECORD IS CLOSED.

2:59:52>> GREAT. OKAY.

2:59:53>> WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.

2:59:56>> THANK YOU.

2:59:58>> A CLIFFHANGER