2026-09-24 - Finance & Governance Committee (Whole)

04:09>> KEELAN, THIS IS COUNCILOR

04:10SMITH, AND I'M ONLINE.

04:14>> THANKS FOR LETTING US KNOW.

04:15COUNCILOR SMITH.

04:17>> THANK YOU.

08:37>> HEY, WE'RE NOT STARTING

08:39QUITE YET, BUT IF YOU ARE

08:40ONLINE, WE MIGHT NEED YOU FOR

08:41QUORUM. CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR

08:44CAMERAS, PLEASE?

10:22GOOD MORNING.

10:23I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING

10:25OF THE PORTLAND CITY COUNCIL

10:26COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE TO ORDER.

10:28IT IS SEPTEMBER 24TH AT 9:34

10:31A.M. REBECCA, WILL YOU PLEASE

10:34CALL THE ROLL?

10:35>> GOOD MORNING. KOYAMA LANE

10:37HERE. MORILLO HERE.

10:40>> NOVICK HERE.

10:41>> CLARK HERE.

10:44>> GREEN. ZIMMERMAN. AVALOS.

10:53DUNPHY.

10:53>> HERE.

10:55>> SMITH. HERE.

10:58>> PIRTLE-GUINEY. HERE.

11:00>> RYAN.

11:02>> KANAL.

11:03>> HERE. AND CLAIRE, WILL YOU

11:07PLEASE READ THE STATEMENT OF

11:08CONDUCT?

11:08>> THANK YOU CHAIR. GOOD

11:09MORNING AND WELCOME TO THE

11:11MEETING OF THE FINANCE AND

11:12GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE OF THE

11:13WHOLE. TO TESTIFY BEFORE THIS

11:14COMMITTEE IN PERSON OR

11:15VIRTUALLY, YOU MUST SIGN UP IN

11:17ADVANCE ON THE COMMITTEE AGENDA

11:22AT

11:22PORTLAND.GOV/COUNCIL/AGENDA/COME

11:23OR BY CALLING 311. INFORMATION

11:25ON ENGAGING WITH THE COMMITTEE

11:26CAN BE FOUND AT THIS LINK.

11:28REGISTRATION FOR VIRTUAL

11:29TESTIMONY CLOSES ONE HOUR PRIOR

11:30TO THE MEETING IN PERSON,

11:32TESTIFIERS MUST SIGN UP BEFORE

11:33THE AGENDA ITEM IS HEARD. IF

11:35PUBLIC TESTIMONY WILL BE TAKEN

11:36ON AN ITEM, INDIVIDUALS MAY

11:38TESTIFY FOR THREE MINUTES

11:39UNLESS THE CHAIR STATES

11:40OTHERWISE, YOUR MICROPHONE WILL

11:41BE MUTED. WHEN YOUR TIME IS

11:43OVER, THE CHAIR PRESERVES ORDER

11:45DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT SUCH AS

11:46SHOUTING, REFUSING TO CONCLUDE

11:47YOUR TESTIMONY WHEN YOUR TIME

11:48IS UP, OR INTERRUPTING OTHERS

11:50TESTIMONY OR COMMITTEE

11:51DELIBERATIONS WILL NOT BE

11:52ALLOWED. IF YOU CAUSE A

11:54DISRUPTION, A WARNING WILL BE

11:55GIVEN. FURTHER DISRUPTION WILL

11:56RESULT IN EJECTION FROM THE

11:57MEETING. ANYONE WHO FAILS TO

11:59LEAVE ONCE EJECTED IS SUBJECT

12:00TO ARREST FOR TRESPASS.

12:01ADDITIONALLY, THE COMMITTEE MAY

12:02TAKE A SHORT RECESS AND

12:04RECONVENE VIRTUALLY. YOUR

12:05TESTIMONY SHOULD ADDRESS THE

12:06MATTER BEING CONSIDERED WHEN

12:08TESTIFYING. STATE YOUR NAME FOR

12:09THE RECORD. IF YOU ARE A

12:10LOBBYIST, IDENTIFY THE

12:11ORGANIZATION YOU REPRESENT.

12:13VIRTUAL TESTIFIERS TO UNMUTE

12:14THEMSELVES WHEN THE CLERK CALLS

12:16YOUR NAME. THANK YOU.

12:18>> THANK YOU CLAIRE. ALL RIGHT.

12:21SO TODAY WE'VE GOT COMMITTEE

12:22CHAIR UPDATES. WE'VE ALSO GOT

12:24CONTINUING DISCUSSION OF THE

12:26FIVE ORDINANCES THAT WERE FILED.

12:27AND WE STARTED DISCUSSING LAST

12:29WEEK ON THE REGULATORY PROGRAM

12:31CHANGES. WE'LL HAVE UPDATES ON

12:32THOSE AS WE GET INTO THEM. WE

12:36PLEASE CALL ITEM ONE.

12:38>> ITEM ONE COMMITTEE CHAIR

12:39UPDATES, DOCUMENT NUMBER

12:422026-337.

12:42>> ALL RIGHT. SO AS PER USUAL,

12:46UPDATING EVERYTHING ON HERE,

12:48EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN

12:50DISCUSSED THAT I AM AWARE OF IS

12:51NOW ON A CALENDAR. SAVE ONE

12:55THING GOING INTO THE REST OF

12:56THE YEAR. AND I THINK THAT

12:57THING IS ACTUALLY FORECLOSURES,

12:59WHICH ACTUALLY IS ON THERE NOW.

13:01SO WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE

13:04I APPRECIATE THAT THAT TWO

13:05WEEKS AGO I ASKED IF ANYONE

13:07KNOWS OF SOMETHING COMING UP

13:08THAT NEEDS TO GET ON THIS

13:09COMMITTEE'S AGENDA BEFORE THE

13:10END OF OCTOBER, PLEASE LET ME

13:12KNOW. AND THE RESPONSE WAS

13:13SUFFICIENT TO ACTUALLY FILL UP

13:15MOST OF THE REST OF THE YEAR.

13:17SO I APPRECIATE BOTH THE

13:19ADMINISTRATION AND COLLEAGUES

13:19FOR FOR DOING THAT TO HELP US

13:22BE MORE PREDICTIVE, ABLE TO

13:23PREDICT WHAT'S HAPPENING. THE

13:25MAIN TAKEAWAYS FROM PAGE ONE IS

13:27JUST THAT THERE IS NO MEETING

13:29ON OCTOBER 1ST, AND INSTEAD

13:30WE'LL HAVE A MEETING ON OCTOBER

13:3229TH. SO WE'LL STILL HAVE FOUR

13:33IN OCTOBER. AND SOME OF THE

13:37REST OF THE ITEMS ARE STILL IN

13:39THE POSSIBLE TENTATIVE GETTING

13:40CONFIRMED STATE AS WE GO

13:43FORWARD. JUST WAITING ON EACH

13:44THING'S GOT SOME SOME SLIGHTLY

13:45DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPENING. I

13:47DID WANT TO FLAG GOING TO PAGE

13:49TWO THAT SOME OF THE ITEMS ON

13:51HERE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE

13:53IN A SORT OF TRANSITION MEMO I

13:56GIVE TO THE NEXT YEAR. CHAIR OF

13:59THIS COMMITTEE, SHOULD IT BE

14:00RETAINED IN THIS FORMAT OR TRY

14:03TO GET DONE IN JANUARY? WE

14:05PROBABLY HAVE A MEETING IN

14:06JANUARY BEFORE THE ANY SWITCHES

14:08MAY OCCUR. SO MOST OF THIS

14:10THESE KINDS OF THINGS ARE

14:12PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET DONE

14:13THIS CALENDAR YEAR. AND I JUST

14:15WANT TO BE UP FRONT ABOUT THAT.

14:17BUT IF ANYBODY HAS THINGS ON

14:18THAT THAT GET FILED IN OUR

14:20APPROVED BY, YOU KNOW, CLERK

14:22AND CODE REVIEW IF NECESSARY,

14:23ATTORNEYS, IF NECESSARY, WE CAN

14:25TRY TO GET IT IN AS WELL. JUST

14:28WANTED TO, TO FLAG THAT,

14:30SWITCHING GEARS AND TALKING

14:32ABOUT THE LEADERSHIP REQUESTS

14:34AND WORKGROUPS, I DID WANT TO

14:36FLAG THE STREET RENAMING CODE

14:38PIECE. WE DISCUSSED THIS IN THE

14:41DISCUSSION AROUND CAMPESINOS

14:42BOULEVARD RENAMING AND HAVING A

14:47BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW

14:49THIS CODE WORKS AND WHAT WE'RE

14:50GOING TO DO ABOUT IT. I WANT TO

14:52THANK THE FOLKS WHO VOLUNTEERED

14:53FOR THAT. WE DO HAVE THIS

14:58PENCILED IN FOR OCTOBER 15TH AS

15:00A DISCUSSION ITEM, SO I'M GOING

15:01TO ASK IF THOSE FIVE COUNCILORS

15:02THAT ARE LISTED CAN HELP TO

15:05PLAN THE DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF

15:07RUN A SHOW AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

15:09DC WILLIAMS HAS CONFIRMED THAT

15:10PBOT IS AVAILABLE TO GIVE THEIR

15:13SIDES OF IT, AND I'VE ALSO

15:14GIVEN ALL YOUR CHIEFS OF STAFF

15:16A HEADS UP THAT I WAS GOING TO

15:18MENTION THIS TODAY. THE

15:19DISCUSSION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE

15:20ON THE 15TH ABOUT STREET

15:22RENAMING IS PRIMARILY FOR

15:24COUNSELORS. PBOT IS GOING TO BE

15:25PRESENT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND

15:26GIVE FEEDBACK ON FEASIBILITY OF

15:28IDEAS, BUT NOT TO KIND OF LIKE

15:30HOW DC SORRY, HOW CFO BIERY

15:32YESTERDAY SAID, HERE'S THE

15:34IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES OR

15:36E'S NOT SO MUCH. HERE'S MY

15:37OPINION ON THEM. IT'S KIND OF

15:39GOING TO BE LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT

15:41A FORMAL PRESENTATION AND BUT

15:43IT IS DESIGNED TO SORT OF LAY

15:45OUT OPTIONS. AND I'LL GIVE I'VE

15:46BEEN USING THIS BEHIND THE

15:48SCENES, BUT FOR THOSE WHO MAY

15:50BE A LITTLE CURIOUS ABOUT

15:51WHAT'S KIND OF THE GOAL OF

15:52THESE DISCUSSIONS THAT DON'T

15:53HAVE THAT DON'T HAVE

15:57LEGISLATION TIED TO THEM YET,

15:58THE EXAMPLE I'VE BEEN GIVING IS

16:00THEY'RE FIRST DOWNS, MEANING

16:02WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SCORE ON

16:04THE PLAY, GET A TOUCHDOWN OR A

16:06FIELD GOAL, BUT WE ARE TRYING

16:08TO ADVANCE THE CONVERSATION SO

16:09THAT IT GETS KEEPS GOING AND

16:11WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE FUTURE

16:12ACTION TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM.

16:15SORRY FOR THE NON-SPORTS FANS

16:16OUT THERE THAT I JUST GOT YOU

16:19TO GLAZE YOUR EYES OVER WITH

16:21THAT. BUT YEAH, SO THAT'S,

16:22THAT'S THE, THE WORK GROUP

16:24UPDATE. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH

16:27IT FOR MY PART, BUT I DID WANT

16:30TO JUST SEE IF THERE'S NOBODY

16:32IN THE QUEUE. I'LL GO TO

16:33COUNCILOR NOVICK TO GIVE US AN

16:35UPDATE ON THE WORK OF THE

16:37COMMUNITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY

16:38COMMITTEE.

16:39>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

16:41WELL, YESTERDAY WE ACTUALLY

16:43HAVE THE FULL COUNCIL WAS

16:46LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF THE

16:47ISSUES THAT COME THROUGH THE

16:49PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, THAT

16:50PSYCHEDELICS ORDINANCE AND THE

16:51TWO POLICE GRANTS. IT'S A BIG

16:56PICTURE. THINGS WE'VE HAD,

16:57WE'VE HAD AND PRESENTATION ON

17:03THE REPORT THAT COUNCILOR SMITH

17:06REQUESTED ON WHAT THE WHAT THE

17:08TIMELINE WOULD BE AND THE

17:10EXPENSES WOULD BE FOR

17:11SIGNIFICANT RAMP UP IN POLICE

17:12STAFFING. AND THE POLICE ALSO

17:14HAD SOME SUGGESTIONS AS TO

17:16WHERE SUCH STAFF MIGHT BE

17:18ASSIGNED. THAT WAS AN

17:20INTERESTING CONVERSATION I

17:20THINK IS PROBABLY WORTHY OF

17:21FOLLOW UP. WE ALSO HAD A

17:24PRESENTATION ON POLICE RESPONSE

17:25TIMES AT VICE CHAIR MURILLO'S

17:28REQUEST, WHICH FRANKLY, I THINK

17:30LEFT A LOT OF QUESTIONS

17:32UNANSWERED. AND I'M TOLD THE

17:34POLICE BUREAU THAT I'M PLANNING

17:36TO BRING THEM BACK TO CONTINUE

17:38THAT CONVERSATION. IN TERMS OF

17:41SPECIFIC. OH, AND I SHOULD ALSO

17:43ADD THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF

17:45DISCUSSION, POLICE RESPONSE

17:47TIMES, I GOT A REMINDER THAT WE

17:48SHOULD SCHEDULE A DISCUSSION OF

17:51CLEARANCE RATES, SOLVING OF

17:52CRIMES, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE IN

17:54THAT PRESENTATION, THE BUREAU

17:56SAID THAT CURRENTLY WE ONLY

17:58COUNT IN OUR CLEARANCE RATE

18:00STATISTICS CASES THAT ARE

18:02REFERRED FOR INVESTIGATION. SO

18:04IF THERE'S A CRIME THAT'S NOT

18:06REFERRED FOR INVESTIGATION,

18:06THAT'S NOT COUNTED. SO I TOLD

18:08THEM I'D LIKE TO SEE STATISTICS

18:10THAT INCLUDE BOTH BECAUSE

18:13SOMETHING THAT'S NOT SOLVED AND

18:14NOT REFERRED SHOULD BE TREATED

18:15AS NOT SOLVED IN TERMS OF

18:18SPECIFIC LEGISLATION. AFTER

18:21NUMEROUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE

18:24PROTECTING PUBLIC BUILDINGS,

18:26GUNS, CONCEALED CARRY

18:28LEGISLATION WHICH WOULD HAVE,

18:30PURSUANT TO A STATE

18:31AUTHORIZATION, ELIMINATED THE

18:35THE AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE FOR

18:38CRIMINAL CHARGES, FOR HAVING

18:40FOR HAVING A CONCEALED CARRY.

18:44WE FINALLY, AFTER NUMEROUS

18:45DISCUSSIONS, CAME TO A VOTE ON

18:47THAT ISSUE AND THE LEGISLATION

18:50DID. WE DID NOT RECOMMEND

18:51MOVING TO FULL COUNCIL. WE HAD

18:54A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION OF AN

18:56IDEA OF COUNCILOR ZIMMERMAN'S.

18:58THE SAFE PARKS PROPOSAL, WHICH

19:00WOULD EXPAND THE CITY'S ABILITY

19:02TO EXCLUDE PEOPLE FROM PARKS.

19:06AND OVER THE NEXT MONTH, WE'RE

19:07GOING TO HAVE A REPORT FROM THE

19:09PSR COMMITTEE. AND WE'LL ALSO

19:11HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE

19:12GREAT SHAKEOUT FOR EARTHQUAKE

19:14PREPAREDNESS. WE ARE GOING TO

19:17HAVE A PRESENTATION ON

19:20FIREWORKS ENFORCEMENT, WHICH IS

19:22PRETTY MUCH NON-EXISTENT. WHEN

19:24I HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT

19:25WHETHER IT'S POSSIBLE TO HAVE

19:26SOME LEVEL OF ENFORCEMENT OF

19:27THE FIREWORKS BAN, AND ALSO WE

19:31HAD IN THE COMMITTEE EARLIER

19:32THIS YEAR DISCUSSION OF

19:33RESTORATIVE JUSTICE AND THE

19:35RESTORATIVE JUSTICE FOLKS SAID

19:37THAT THE POLICE BUREAU DOESN'T

19:38REALLY REFER MANY CASES TO

19:40RESTORATIVE JUSTICE. AND CHIEF

19:42DAY SAID, WELL, HE ACTUALLY

19:43BELIEVES IN THAT CONCEPT. SO

19:44I'M GOING TO ASK CHIEF DAY TO

19:46COME BACK AND GIVE US HIS

19:48THOUGHTS ON WHETHER IT'S

19:49POSSIBLE TO INCREASE POLICE USE

19:51OF RESTORATIVE JUSTICE. SO

19:53THAT'S WHAT I GOT.

19:56>> THANK YOU, CHAIR NOVICK. I'M

19:57GOING TO GIVE EVERYONE A SECOND.

19:59IF THEY WANT TO GET IN THE

20:00QUEUE TO ASK ANYTHING OF CHAIR

20:02NOVICK. THAT WAS COMPREHENSIVE.

20:04SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. WITH THAT.

20:06>> AND I FORGOT, WE ALSO NEED

20:08TO SCHEDULE A DISCUSSION OF

20:10DISPARITIES IN TRAFFIC

20:11ENFORCEMENT.

20:12>> APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. SO

20:14I GUESS WITH THAT, WE'LL WRAP

20:16UP THE CHAIR'S UPDATE AND I

20:17WILL ASK. REBECCA IF YOU COULD

20:21PLEASE CALL ITEMS TWO, THREE,

20:23FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX TOGETHER.

20:26>> ITEM TWO AMEND REGULATION OF

20:28PAYDAY LENDING CODE TO UPDATE

20:29PROGRAM FEES. AMEND CODE

20:31SECTION 7.26.030. DOCUMENT

20:33NUMBER 2026-325. ITEM THREE

20:37AMEND PAY AND PARK AND NON PAY

20:40PRIVATE PARKING FACILITIES CODE

20:41TO STRENGTHEN COMPLIANCE AND

20:42PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS AND

20:44UPDATE PROGRAM FEES. AMEND CODE

20:46CHAPTER 7.25 DOCUMENT NUMBER

20:502026-326. ITEM FOUR AMEND

20:52SECONDHAND DEALERS CODE TO

20:54STRENGTHEN COMPLIANCE

20:55REQUIREMENTS AND UPDATE PROGRAM

20:56FEES. AMEND CODE CHAPTER 14.90

20:59DOCUMENT NUMBER 2026-327. ITEM

21:04FIVE AMEND SOCIAL GAMES CODE TO

21:06STRENGTHEN COMPLIANCE

21:07REQUIREMENTS AND UPDATE PROGRAM

21:08FEES. AMEND CODE SECTIONS 14.7,

21:130.060 AND 14.70.070. DOCUMENT

21:17NUMBER 2026-328 AND ITEM SIX

21:21REPEAL AMUSEMENT DEVICES, GAMES

21:22AND MACHINES CODE REPEAL CODE

21:24CHAPTER 14.110. DOCUMENT NUMBER

21:292026-329.

21:32>> THANK YOU. SO BEFORE WE JUST

21:36WANTED TO CONFIRM, WE FINISHED

21:37ALL TESTIMONY, THERE WASN'T

21:38ANYBODY WHO HAD TO WAIT RIGHT

21:40LAST TIME. OKAY, SO WE'VE HEARD

21:42OUR PRESENTATIONS. WE HAVE

21:44HEARD TESTIMONY, WE'RE IN

21:45COUNSELOR DISCUSSION AND THE

21:48ABILITY TO AMEND TO REFER ON.

21:50WE CAN REFER THESE ON

21:51INDIVIDUALLY OR AS A PACKAGE TO

21:53THE FULL COUNCIL AS WELL. BUT I

21:55WANT TO START BY RECOGNIZING I

21:56KNOW THAT THAT. COUNCILOR

21:58NOVICK YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU

21:59WANTED TO START WITH. SO I WILL

22:00START WITH YOU.

22:01>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES.

22:04PARTLY IN RESPONSE TO CHAIR

22:05CONNELL'S QUESTIONS ABOUT

22:07BACKGROUND CHECKS AND THE

22:08SECOND HAND DEALER'S ITEM 2026

22:11327. WE WERE TAKING A LOOK AT

22:13THAT ITEM OVER THE LAST WEEK,

22:15AND CONCLUDED THAT THERE'S SOME

22:17LANGUAGE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE

22:18WORKED OUT, THAT I THINK THAT

22:20WE'RE NOT I DON'T KNOW THAT

22:21WE'RE QUITE THERE YET. I

22:23APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. SO I THINK

22:26THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO. SO I

22:27ASKED TO REFER THAT ITEM TO THE

22:31ACTUALLY TO THE TO THE

22:33COMMITTEE. I THINK THAT'S

22:34APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THE WHOLE

22:35REASON FOR THIS PART OF THE

22:37REGULATIONS IS CONCERN ABOUT

22:39SECOND HAND DEALERS POTENTIALLY

22:40DEALING IN STOLEN GOODS. SO

22:42IT'S THERE'S DEFINITELY A

22:43PUBLIC SAFETY NEXUS. THE FOUR

22:46REMAINING ITEMS I HOPE TO REFER

22:48ON TO COUNCIL TODAY. LOOK

22:49FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION. I

22:51THINK GIVEN SOME OF THE

22:52DISCUSSION LAST WEEK, MY

22:53PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO VOTE ON

22:54THEM SEPARATELY RATHER THAN AS

22:56A PACKAGE IN WHATEVER ORDER THE

22:57CHAIR DEEMS APPROPRIATE. SO

22:58I'LL BEGIN BY MAKING A MOTION

23:00TO REFER DOCUMENT 2026 327 TO

23:02THE COMMUNITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY

23:04COMMITTEE, AND WOULD ASK FOR A

23:05SECOND, SECOND.

23:08>> ALL RIGHT. SO JUST FOR

23:10EVERYONE'S KNOWLEDGE, UNDER

23:11CITY CODE 3.02.02 0B1A1C, IT IS

23:15THAT MANY SUBSECTIONS. THIS IS

23:17SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL IS

23:18ALLOWED OR SORRY, COMMITTEES

23:19ARE ALLOWED TO REFER TO ANOTHER

23:21COMMITTEE. SO THERE'S A MOTION

23:23FROM COUNCILOR NOVICK. THERE'S

23:25A SECOND FROM COUNCIL PRESIDENT

23:26DUNPHY. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION

23:29ON THE MOTION TO REFER THIS TO

23:31THE COMMITTEE? AND THIS IS ITEM

23:33I WANT TO SAY FOR COUNCILOR

23:36PIRTLE-GUINEY.

23:37>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. COUNCILOR.

23:39NOVICK. WHEN YOU HAD ORIGINALLY

23:41PRESENTED THESE ITEMS TOGETHER

23:42AS A PACKAGE, THERE WAS A

23:45BUDGET IMPLICATION FOR NOT

23:47MOVING ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME

23:49TIME. AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE

23:52BUDGET IMPLICATION IF WE DON'T

23:54MOVE THIS FORWARD? AND HAVE YOU

23:56TALKED TO THE BUREAU, DO THEY

23:57HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT BUDGET

24:00GAPS THAT MIGHT CREATE?

24:02>> IT MIGHT.

24:03>> BE SOMETHING.

24:03>> GAP, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT

24:05AT FULL COST RECOVERY FOR THESE

24:07PROGRAMS. SO I THINK IT'S

24:08SOMETHING WE CAN LIVE WITH. AND

24:10I THINK THAT WE CAN RESOLVE THE

24:11SECONDHAND DEALER ISSUES IN THE

24:13NEXT SEVERAL, SEVERAL WEEKS. I

24:15DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE

24:16FOREVER.

24:17>> SO BY THE TIME WE'RE AT OUR

24:18NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, THIS SHOULD

24:20BE RESOLVED AND WE SHOULD BE

24:21BACK TO ABOUT THE BALANCE THAT

24:23YOU HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.

24:24>> YES.

24:24>> PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

24:27>> THANK YOU. SEEING NO ONE

24:28ELSE IN THE QUEUE, REBECCA,

24:31WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL

24:33ON THE MOTION TO REFER ITEM

24:34FOUR SECONDHAND DEALERS TO THE

24:36COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY AND

24:37PUBLIC SAFETY.

24:39>> OKAY. CALLING MOVED BY

24:43NOVICK. SECONDED BY DUNPHY.

24:46KOYAMA LANE I MORILLO I.

24:51>> NOVICK I.

24:54>> CLARK I.

24:56>> GREEN ABSENT. ZIMMERMAN

25:00ABSENT.

25:01>> AVALOS I.

25:03>> SMITH.

25:04>> I.

25:05>> KANAL I.

25:07>> PIRTLE-GUINEY I.

25:09>> RYAN. ABSENT AND DUNPHY.

25:14>> I I.

25:16>> AND THE MOTION TO REFER IS

25:17APPROVED AND APOLOGIES FOR THE

25:19OUT OF ORDER VOTE.

25:21>> GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH AND

25:22THANK YOU. COUNCILOR NOVICK FOR

25:25THE MOTION. WE'RE BACK INTO THE

25:27MAIN QUEUE TO DISCUSS THE OTHER

25:28FOUR ITEMS HERE. AGAIN, THEY

25:30CAN BE REFERRED TO THE FULL

25:32COUNCIL TOGETHER OR AS

25:35INDIVIDUAL ITEMS AS COUNCILOR.

25:36NOVICK HAS EXPRESSED THE

25:38PREFERENCE FOR. AND I'M NOT

25:42SEEING ANYONE IN THE QUEUE YET,

25:44SO I KNOW WE'RE ALL STILL

25:46WAKING UP, BUT I JUST WANT TO

25:48GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE HERE. I

25:51GUESS.

25:51>> WITH A MOTION TO MOVE AGENDA

25:56ITEM TO DOCUMENT 2026 325 TO

25:58FULL COUNCIL WITH THE DUE PASS

26:00RECOMMENDATION BE APPROPRIATE

26:01RIGHT NOW.

26:01>> THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE

26:03APPROPRIATE.

26:03>> SO MOVED.

26:04>> IS THERE A SECOND?

26:05>> SECOND.

26:06>> A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR

26:07PIRTLE-GUINEY, SECONDED BY

26:08COUNCILOR NOVICK, TO REFER ITEM

26:09TWO ON TO THE FULL COUNCIL. IS

26:12THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON

26:13THIS MOTION? SEEING NONE.

26:17REBECCA, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL

26:19THE ROLL?

26:20>> AND TO CLARIFY, THAT WAS

26:232026-325. THANK YOU. YEAH.

26:25MOVED BY PIRTLE-GUINEY.

26:27SECONDED BY NOVICK TO REFER TO

26:29THE FULL COUNCIL WITH DUE PASS

26:31RECOMMENDATION.

26:32>> KOYAMA LANE I.

26:35>> MORILLO I NOVICK. I CLARK I.

26:44>> AVALOS I.

26:47>> DUNPHY I.

26:49>> SMITH I.

26:52>> PIRTLE-GUINEY I.

26:55>> KANAL I.

26:56>> AND THE MOTION TO REFER IS

26:57APPROVED WITH NINE I THREE

26:59ABSENT.

27:00>> GREAT.

27:01>> AND JUST AS A REMINDER, WE

27:02STILL NEED SEVEN VOTES FOR

27:04EVERYTHING TODAY, EVEN THOUGH

27:05WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE ABSENT. I

27:06DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE

27:08RELEVANT TODAY, BUT JUST WANTED

27:09EVERYONE TO BE AWARE OF THAT

27:10GOING IN. WE'RE BACK INTO THE

27:12MAIN QUEUE TO DISCUSS

27:13>> THE REMAINING THREE ITEMS.

27:14SO THOSE ARE PAN PARK SOCIAL

27:16GAMES CODE AND AMUSEMENT

27:18DEVICES, GAMES AND MACHINES.

27:21AND A MOTION WOULD BE

27:23APPROPRIATE TO REFER ANY OF

27:24THOSE ON TO THE TO THE FULL

27:25COUNCIL AT THIS TIME. COUNCILOR

27:31DUNPHY, THANK YOU.

27:32>> THANK YOU. I MEAN, I'M GOING

27:34TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF ALL OF

27:35THESE. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT

27:37DIRECTION FOR US TO BE GOING AS

27:39A CITY. THERE ARE ACTUALLY A

27:40FEW OTHER THINGS THAT I HAVE

27:42SEEN SINCE LOOKING INTO THIS,

27:43THAT I ALSO WOULD LOVE TO JUST

27:45DIG IN AND GET RID OF,

27:46INCLUDING SOME OF OUR

27:47REQUIREMENTS AROUND LOCKING UP

27:48SPRAY PAINT AND TAKING PEOPLE'S

27:50DRIVER'S LICENSE INFORMATION,

27:51WHICH THE POLICE CANNOT EVEN

27:52ACTUALLY PROCESS OR CLAIM THOSE

27:54DOCUMENTS IN ANY WAY AS SUCH.

27:58I'M. WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO

28:00MOVE MORE THAN ONE AT A TIME AS

28:02A PACKAGE, OR ARE WE LOOKING TO

28:04DO THESE INDIVIDUALLY AT THIS

28:05POINT?

28:06>> I AM WAS PROPOSING TO DO

28:07THEM INDIVIDUALLY IN IN EXCESS

28:09OF CAUTION BECAUSE FRANKLY, I

28:10WASN'T SURE WE'D HAVE A NUMBER

28:12OF VOTES FOR ALL OF THEM. BUT

28:14THAT GIVEN WHAT I'VE SEEN SO

28:16FAR, I THINK IT WOULD BE

28:17APPROPRIATE.

28:18>> OKAY. WE STILL HAVE ITEMS.

28:20IS IT THREE AND FIVE AND SIX

28:23REMAINING?

28:23>> IT IS THREE, FIVE AND SIX.

28:26YES.

28:26>> THANK YOU. WELL, I'D LIKE TO

28:28FIRST REITERATE SOME OF MY

28:29CONCERNS ABOUT NUMBER THREE,

28:30BUT I'LL STILL BE SUPPORTIVE

28:31TODAY. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD

28:33BE. TYING SOME OF OUR PARKING,

28:37OUR OUR SURFACE PARKING LOT

28:38GOALS TOWARDS SOME OF OUR

28:40ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS. WE HAVE

28:41SOME LAND USE GOALS AROUND

28:43TRYING TO DISINCENTIVIZE

28:44PARKING LOTS IN HIGHLY ZONED

28:46AREAS OR HIGHLY DENSELY ZONED

28:48AREAS. HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT

28:49RELEVANT TO THIS MOTION AND AS

28:51SUCH I WOULD MOVE THAT WE REFER

28:53ITEMS THREE, FIVE AND SIX TO

28:55THE FULL COMMITTEE WITH A DUE

28:57PASS RECOMMENDATION, AND I

28:58WOULD SEEK A SECOND.

29:00>> SECOND.

29:00>> THERE'S A MOTION TO REFER

29:02ITEMS THREE, FIVE AND SIX

29:04TOGETHER TO THE FULL COUNCIL.

29:06MOVED BY COUNCILOR DUNPHY,

29:07SECONDED BY COUNCILOR NOVICK

29:09WITH A DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION.

29:10IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON

29:12THIS ITEM? I'M GOING TO BE IN

29:14THE QUEUE ON THIS. I'M GOING TO

29:15SUPPORT THIS MOTION AS WELL. I

29:17DID WANT TO ASK WHILE I HAD THE

29:19CHANCE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED

29:20ON THE ON. THIS IS A RELATED

29:22ITEM THREE ABOUT WHAT PORTIONS

29:26OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE

29:27RECEIVED GOT INTEGRATED IN. AND

29:30I JUST THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE

29:31MORE INFORMATION ON THAT, AND I

29:33DON'T THINK I GOT IT VIA EMAIL.

29:35SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF

29:36THERE IS IF IT'S NOT RESOLVED

29:38TODAY, I'LL STILL ASK AT THE

29:39FULL COUNCIL, BUT I JUST WANTED

29:41TO KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING.

29:42>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I ASK THE TEAM

29:44TO COME.

29:45>> UP TO COME UP AND HELP

29:46ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THE

29:47REVENUE TEAM.

29:48>> AND FOR THE RECORD, I ASK

29:49THIS ON A FEW OF THEM AND I GOT

29:52THE ANSWERS ON THE OTHER ONES.

29:53SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

29:55>> FOR THE RECORD, TIM MERCER,

29:56REVENUE DIVISION. YEAH, SORRY

29:59FOR THE OVERSIGHT THERE. I

30:00DIDN'T REALIZE WE OWED YOU

30:01SOMETHING ON THAT FRONT. BUT

30:04YEAH, SO IN TERMS OF PAYNE PARK

30:09COMMENTS THAT WERE INTEGRATED,

30:14WE, WE, WE GOT COMMENTS ACROSS

30:18A PRETTY BROAD RANGE,

30:21PARTICULARLY NEGATIVE COMMENTS

30:23AROUND THE INCREASE OF FEES AND

30:26SOME COMMENTS RELATED TO SOME

30:30OF THE CHANGES AROUND

30:32REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING

30:34MACHINES, THE, THE ACTUAL

30:36MACHINES THAT GIVE YOU A TICKET.

30:41WE, WE MODIFIED OUR APPROACH IN

30:44REGARD TO THE, THE MACHINES AS

30:48AS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE

30:50FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED. DID WE

30:54MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES THERE?

30:55THAT WAS A DIRECT RESULT OF

30:58FEEDBACK.

30:59>> LILA TAYLOR, REGULATORY

31:01PROGRAM COORDINATOR. WE ALSO.

31:06DISCUSSED MODIFYING THE FEES OR

31:09THE PENALTIES THAT CAN BE

31:10ASSESSED FOR PARKING.

31:12>> YEAH. AND WE ALSO ADJUSTED

31:16THE LANGUAGE AROUND GRACE

31:18PERIODS, I BELIEVE, CORRECT?

31:19YES. BECAUSE WE HEARD FEEDBACK

31:20THAT WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING

31:22MIGHT BE DIFFICULT FOR

31:25OPERATORS TO IMPLEMENT. SO WE

31:27ADJUSTED THERE.

31:28>> OKAY. WHAT WAS JUST OUT OF

31:29CURIOSITY, WHAT WAS THE

31:30ORIGINAL PROPOSAL ON THE GRACE

31:32PERIOD?

31:33>> SEVEN MINUTES. AND WE

31:34ADJUSTED IT DOWN TO FIVE

31:35MINUTES AS DEFINED WITHIN THE

31:36PARK DEFINITION OF PARKING.

31:38>> OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU

31:41HAD ANYTHING MORE YOU WANTED TO

31:42ADD. COUNCILOR. NOVICK. OKAY,

31:43THAT WAS ALL I HAD. I

31:45APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION.

31:46AND THAT'S IT FOR ME. COUNCILOR

31:48RYAN.

31:49>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR,

31:50AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I'M LATE.

31:52AND SO WITH SOME HUMILITY, I

31:54WILL ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

31:55AND SOMEONE COULD SAY, WELL,

31:57YOU WERE LATE AND YOU MISSED

31:58THAT. I DIDN'T REALLY HEAR THE

32:01MODIFICATION TO THE

32:02MODIFICATION TO THE PAY IN PART

32:04TO THE METERS WAS FROM 7 TO 5.

32:06IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID?

32:07>> THAT'S THE GRACE PERIOD IN

32:09WHICH A PENALTY.

32:11>> MODIFICATION WAS.

32:12>> YES. WE MADE WE MADE A

32:14MODIFICATION. WE HAD PROPOSED

32:15LANGUAGE THAT SAID THAT WE

32:19WOULD HAVE A SEVEN MINUTE GRACE

32:21PERIOD AROUND TICKETING AT LOTS.

32:23AND WE ROLLED THAT BACK TO FIVE

32:25MINUTES. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN

32:28THREE MINUTES PREVIOUSLY.

32:28>> THERE HADN'T BEEN.

32:29>> ANY NO GRACE PERIOD. SO THE

32:31GRACE PERIOD WAS A DIRECT

32:32RESULT OF, YOU KNOW, SORT OF

32:35FEEDBACK THAT WHERE A CITIZEN

32:37THAT GOT A TICKET WAS SAYING,

32:39YOU KNOW, I WAS IN THE IN ROUTE

32:42BETWEEN THE MACHINE AND MY CAR

32:43WHEN I GOT THE TICKET. YEAH.

32:46AND SO ADDING A GRACE PERIOD

32:48SEEMED TO OFFER SOME RELIEF FOR,

32:52FOR CITIZENS THAT MIGHT GET A

32:53TICKET IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.

32:55>> THAT I APPRECIATE THAT. AND

32:56THAT WASN'T REALLY WHY I EVEN

32:57PUT MY HAND UP. BUT, BUT I WAS

33:00CURIOUS BECAUSE I DIDN'T

33:01UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS JUST SAID.

33:02SO THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING. I

33:04PUT MY HAND UP BECAUSE I HAD A

33:07GOOD CONVERSATION ACTUALLY WITH

33:08YOU. COUNCILOR NOVICK OF COURSE,

33:11ABOUT WHAT I'VE BEEN DISCUSSING

33:12WITH PRIVATE PARKING SYSTEMS

33:16AROUND, ESPECIALLY PEARL AND

33:18BELLTOWN. THIS IS A WORKFORCE

33:20ISSUE. WHEN WE TRY TO DO ALL WE

33:22CAN FOR OUR SMALL BUSINESSES,

33:23OUR SMALL BUSINESS RESTAURANTS

33:25AT THE TOP OF A LOT OF THEIR

33:27COMPLAINTS IS THAT THERE'S NOT

33:29ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THEIR

33:31EMPLOYERS, THEIR EMPLOYEES, AND

33:33THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE HAVE TO RUN

33:36OUT AND THEY'LL LIKE THIS GRACE

33:37PERIOD, TRUST ME. AND SO THEY

33:39OFTEN GET TICKETED AND THEY WE

33:43HAVE A SYSTEM AT SMART PARK IN

33:45CENTRAL PORTLAND, DOWNTOWN

33:47PORTLAND, WHERE THERE'S A

33:49SPRING. THERE'S A SWING SHIFT

33:50TYPE RATE, WHICH IS BETTER THAN

33:54THE USUAL RATE. AND WE'RE

33:56TRYING TO GET THE PRIVATE

33:59PARKING FOLKS TO DO SOMETHING

34:00SIMILAR TO THAT. AND SO I'M

34:04SOCIALIZING SOMETHING THAT I

34:05DON'T HAVE AN AMENDMENT FOR

34:06TODAY BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD

34:08CLOUD THIS ANYWAY. I THINK IT'S

34:10AN AND, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN

34:12COME BACK WITH SOME THIS

34:13COUNCIL ACTUALLY CARING ABOUT

34:15WORKFORCE ISSUES AND CARING

34:17ABOUT OUR EMPLOYERS IN THE

34:18PRIVATE SECTOR THAT WORK AT

34:20RESTAURANTS AND SUCH, AND OFFER

34:22THEM SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE

34:24SOME RELIEF WITH THE CHALLENGES

34:26OF FINDING PARKING SPOTS A AND

34:28FINDING A PRICE THAT'S SOMEWHAT

34:30SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR

34:32DOWNTOWN SMART PARK. AGAIN, WE

34:34DON'T HAVE SMART PARK LOCATIONS

34:37IN UPPER PEARL AND SLABTOWN.

34:39THE CLOSEST ONE, AS YOU KNOW,

34:40IS DOWN ON THE WATERFRONT. AND

34:43SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO WORK

34:45WITH. HOPEFULLY YOU COUNCILOR

34:47NOVICK ON. AND I THINK THAT

34:49THAT WAS WHAT NEEDED TO BE

34:51VOICED AT THIS MOMENT. I CAN GO

34:52ALONG WITH THIS. I WAS FINE

34:54WITH ALL OF THEM. THAT WAS THE

34:55ONLY ONE I REALLY WANTED TO

34:57HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH. I

34:58SEE THAT WE PULLED OFF ONE AND

35:00I'LL FIND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

35:02WHY THANK YOU.

35:03>> THANKS. COUNCILOR RYAN

35:04COUNCILOR NOVICK.

35:05>> THIS IS A LITTLE OFF TOPIC,

35:07BUT IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILOR

35:08RYAN, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT OF MY

35:10PARKING PEEVES, WHICH IS THAT

35:12WHEN PEOPLE PUT UP TEMPORARY NO

35:14PARKING SIGNS, OFTEN THE NO

35:16PARKING IS A VERY BIG LETTERS

35:17AND THE FROM, YOU KNOW, AUGUST

35:2123RD AT 3 P.M. TO AUGUST 26TH

35:24AT 2 P.M. IS VERY SMALL, SO

35:26PEOPLE JUST SEE NO PARKING GO

35:28ON BY. SO I WANTED TO HAVE A

35:30CONVERSATION WITH PBOT ABOUT

35:31CAN WE REQUIRE THE LETTERING

35:32ABOUT THE TIME FOR PARKING TO

35:34BE AS BIG AS THE NO PARKING

35:35PART? BUT YEAH, THIS IS OFF

35:37TOPIC, BUT YOU JUST REMINDED ME

35:39OF MY OWN ISSUE.

35:45>> ALL RIGHT. THANKS. SEEING NO

35:47ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE, THERE IS

35:50A MOTION TO REFER THE ITEM ON.

35:52IT'S BEEN SECONDED. ALL THREE

35:53ITEMS TOGETHER. SORRY. ITEMS

35:55THREE, FIVE AND SIX. REBECCA,

35:57WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?

35:59>> THIS IS THE MOTION TO REFER

36:01ORDINANCES. DOCUMENT NUMBERS

36:052026-3, TWO SIX, 2026-3, TWO,

36:07EIGHT, AND 2026-329. MOVED BY

36:10DUNPHY, SECONDED BY NOVICK.

36:14>> KOYAMA LANE I. MORILLO I.

36:19>> NOVICK I.

36:20>> CLARK I.

36:23>> AVALOS. I DUNPHY. I SMITH. I

36:30PIRTLE-GUINEY. I RYAN. I KNOW.

36:35I MOTION TO REFER IS APPROVED

36:36WITH TEN I AND TWO ABSENT VOTES.

36:39>> OKAY. WELL THAT IS THE WHOLE

36:41AGENDA. I HAVE TWO QUICK

36:42HOUSEKEEPING NOTES AND I THINK

36:44COUNCILOR RYAN WANTED TO SAY

36:45SOMETHING. I JUST.

36:46>> I COULD FOR THE. ANYWAY,

36:48COULD SOMEONE JUST GIVE ME A

36:49BRIEF SUMMARY ON WHY WE PULLED

36:51THE OTHER ONE?

36:52>> I'M GOING TO LET COUNCILOR

36:53NOVICK SPEAK TO THAT. YEAH.

36:56>> YES. ON THE SECOND.

36:57>> HAND, DEALER PROVISIONS,

37:00PARTLY IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILOR

37:01KANAL QUESTIONS ABOUT

37:03BACKGROUND CHECKS LAST WEEK, WE

37:04WERE LOOKING THROUGH THE

37:06LANGUAGE OF THAT PROVISION AND

37:09CONCLUDED THAT THERE'S SOME

37:10LANGUAGE ISSUES BOTH IN THE IN

37:14THE THE PREEXISTING RULES THAT

37:17I THINK NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

37:19AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE WE'RE

37:20THERE YET. SO I JUST WANT TO

37:22HAVE SOME TIME TO WORK WITH THE

37:23TEAM AND COME BACK WITH WITH

37:25LANGUAGE THAT I'M COMFORTABLE

37:26WITH.

37:26>> WILL IT COME BACK TO THIS

37:28COMMITTEE?

37:28>> WE REFERRED IT TO THE PUBLIC

37:30SAFETY COMMITTEE BECAUSE IT'S

37:32THOSE REGULATIONS EXIST BECAUSE

37:34OF CONCERNS ABOUT DEALING IN

37:35STOLEN PROPERTY.

37:36>> YEAH. SO THAT'S GOOD. SO THE

37:37THE PUBLIC SAFETY SYSTEM AT THE

37:39CITY CAN THEN WEIGH IN ON THIS

37:41IN A DEEPER WAY.

37:42>> YES.

37:43>> GOOD. THANK YOU.

37:44>> THANKS. OKAY. SO TWO QUICK

37:47HOUSEKEEPING NOTES FROM A

37:49COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE SIDE OF

37:50THINGS. WE ARE WE DON'T MEET

37:53NEXT WEEK. WE'LL BE MEETING ON

37:55OCTOBER 8TH. THAT IS A THURSDAY

37:57AT 9:30 A.M. AND THEN WE DO

37:58HAVE A WORK SESSION TODAY AT 2

38:00P.M. OF THE FULL CITY COUNCIL,

38:03WHICH IS ABOUT THE CEI HUB. SO

38:05HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL BACK THERE.

38:06BUT I PROMISE THAT IF WE GOT

38:08DONE, WE WOULD NOT TAKE UP YOUR

38:10TIME. SO I'M HAPPY TO GIVE AN

38:11HOUR AND 58 MINUTES OF

38:13EVERYONE'S TIME BACK.

38:14>> AT A WORK SESSION. THAT'S A

38:15REAL MEETING.

38:16>> OH, SORRY. IT'S A FULL

38:17COUNCIL MEETING AT 2 P.M. BUT

38:19THE WHOLE AGENDA IS ABOUT CEI

38:20HUB. MY APOLOGIES. FULL COUNCIL,

38:21FULL COUNCIL. BUT YEAH, HAPPY

38:23TO GIVE AN HOUR AND 57 MINUTES

38:24BACK. AND WITH THAT, OR

38:26ACTUALLY MORE WITH THAT, WE'LL

38:27ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 10:02

38:30A.M. THANKS.