2026-10-06 - Housing & Permitting Committee

08:05>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M GOING TO

08:06CALL THE MEETING OF THE HOUSING

08:08AND PERMITTING COMMITTEE TO

08:09ORDER. IT IS TUESDAY, OCTOBER

08:116TH, 2026 AT 2:01 P.M. DIEGO,

08:14PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

08:16>> GOOD AFTERNOON. AVALOS.

08:20SORRY I FLIPPED THAT GREEN HERE.

08:23>> PIRTLE-GUINEY HERE.

08:27>> KOYAMA LANE HERE.

08:29>> NOVICK HERE. NOW.

08:30>> AVALOS PRESENT. CLAIRE, CAN

08:32YOU PLEASE READ THE STATEMENT

08:33OF CONDUCT?

08:34>> THANK YOU CHAIR. GOOD

08:35AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE

08:36MEETING OF THE HOUSING AND

08:37PERMITTING COMMITTEE TO TESTIFY

08:38BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE IN PERSON

08:39OR VIRTUALLY. YOU MUST SIGN UP

08:41IN ADVANCE ON THE COMMITTEE

08:42AGENDA AT

08:46PORTLAND.GOV/COUNCIL/AGENDA/HOUG

08:47AND PERMITTING COMMITTEE OR BY

08:48CALLING 311. REGISTRATION FOR

08:50VIRTUAL TESTIMONY CLOSES ONE

08:51HOUR PRIOR TO THE MEETING IN

08:53PERSON. TESTIFIERS MUST SIGN UP

08:55BEFORE THE AGENDA ITEM IS HEARD.

08:56IF PUBLIC TESTIMONY WILL BE

08:57TAKEN ON AN ITEM, INDIVIDUALS

08:59MAY TESTIFY FOR THREE MINUTES

09:01UNLESS THE CHAIR STATES

09:02OTHERWISE, YOUR MICROPHONE WILL

09:03BE MUTED. WHEN YOUR TIME IS

09:04OVER, THE CHAIR PRESERVES ORDER

09:06DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT SUCH AS

09:07SHOUTING, REFUSING TO CONCLUDE

09:08YOUR TESTIMONY WHEN YOUR TIME

09:10IS UP, OR INTERRUPTING OTHERS

09:11TESTIMONY OR COMMITTEE

09:12DELIBERATIONS WILL NOT BE

09:14ALLOWED. IF YOU CAUSE A

09:15DISRUPTION, A WARNING WILL BE

09:16GIVEN. FURTHER DISRUPTION WILL

09:18RESULT IN EJECTION FROM THE

09:19MEETING. ANYONE WHO FAILS TO

09:20LEAVE ONCE EJECTED IS SUBJECT

09:22TO ARREST FOR TRESPASS.

09:23ADDITIONALLY, THE COMMITTEE MAY

09:24TAKE A SHORT RECESS AND

09:25RECONVENE VIRTUALLY. YOUR

09:28TESTIMONY SHOULD ADDRESS THE

09:28MATTER BEING CONSIDERED WHEN

09:30TESTIFYING. PLEASE STATE YOUR

09:31NAME FOR THE RECORD. IF YOU ARE

09:32A LOBBYIST, IDENTIFY THE

09:34ORGANIZATION YOU REPRESENT. AND

09:35FINALLY, VIRTUAL TESTIFIERS

09:36SHOULD UNMUTE THEMSELVES WHEN

09:38THE CLERK CALLS YOUR NAME.

09:39THANK YOU.

09:40>> THANK YOU. CLAIRE. TODAY WE

09:42HAVE THREE MAIN ITEMS ON OUR

09:43AGENDA. FIRST, WE ARE GOING TO

09:45START WITH A PRESENTATION ON

09:46THE CLIMATE AND HEALTH STANDARD

09:48POLICY. THEN WE WILL HAVE TWO

09:50ORDINANCES. THE FIRST ORDINANCE

09:51BRINGS THE CITY'S LAND USE LAW

09:52INTO ALIGNMENT WITH RECENTLY

09:54ADOPTED STATE LEGISLATION. THE

09:56SECOND ORDINANCE MAKES CODE

09:57CHANGES TO ALLOW THE CITY TO

09:58CONTINUE PROVIDING A PROPERTY

10:00TAX EXEMPTION FOR LOW INCOME

10:02HOUSING. I ALSO NEED TO NOTE ON

10:04THE RECORD THAT ON SEPTEMBER

10:0522ND, 2026, THE BUREAU OF

10:07PLANNING AND SUSTAINABILITY

10:09SENT LEGISLATIVE NOTICE VIA

10:10EMAIL ANNOUNCING THAT THE

10:11RECOMMENDED DRAFT OF THE

10:13CENTRAL CITY CODE AMENDMENTS

10:15PROJECT, INCLUDING

10:16COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP AND

10:17ZONING MAPS AND TITLE 33

10:19REGULATORY AMENDMENTS, WAS

10:21SCHEDULED FOR THE HOUSING AND

10:22PERMITTING COMMITTEE TODAY,

10:24OCTOBER 6TH, 2026, AT 2 P.M.

10:27HOWEVER, CONSIDERATION OF THE

10:28ORDINANCE FOR THE RECOMMENDED

10:29DRAFT OF THE CENTRAL CITY CODE

10:31AMENDMENTS PROJECT HAS BEEN

10:32REFERRED TO THE FULL CITY

10:33COUNCIL ON WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER

10:3514TH, 2026 AT 9:50 A.M. TIME

10:39CERTAIN FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO

10:41TAKE ORAL TESTIMONY FOR THIS

10:42ORDINANCE. WRITTEN TESTIMONY

10:44CAN BE PROVIDED THROUGH THE MAP

10:46APP. ALL RIGHT, AND LET'S GO

10:48AHEAD AND READ ITEM ONE.

10:50>> ITEM ONE DOCUMENT NUMBER

10:542026-353. CLIMATE AND HEALTH

10:55STANDARDS.

10:56>> OKAY. THANK YOU. SO TODAY,

10:58AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE GOING TO

11:00DO A PRESENTATION ON THE

11:03CLIMATE AND HEALTH STANDARD.

11:04AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE

11:05GLORIA COME ON UP AND GET

11:07SETTLED WHILE I DO SOME INTRO

11:08REMARKS. FIRST, COLLEAGUES, I

11:11WANT TO BEGIN BY THANKING THE

11:13MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BROUGHT US

11:15TO THIS POINT. MY OFFICE HAS

11:17BEEN WORKING WITH STAKEHOLDERS

11:18ACROSS HOUSING PROVIDERS,

11:20INDUSTRY, REAL ESTATE, HIGHER

11:22EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE, AND

11:23ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE OVER THE

11:25PAST YEAR TO DEVELOP A NEW

11:26CLIMATE AND HEALTH STANDARDS

11:28POLICY FOR THE CITY. BUT THIS

11:30WORK DIDN'T START WITH ME, AND

11:31IT ALSO DIDN'T START FROM THE

11:33CITY ALONE. IT STARTED WITH

11:35COMMUNITY AT THE GRASSROOTS,

11:36FROM PORTLANDERS WHO WERE TIRED

11:37OF BEING LEFT OUT OF

11:39CONVERSATIONS AND WHOSE

11:40PERSPECTIVES WEREN'T HEARD IN

11:42CLIMATE SPACES. DESPITE COMING

11:43FROM THE COMMUNITIES MOST

11:44IMPACTED BY ENVIRONMENTAL

11:46POLLUTION AND CLIMATE CHANGE,

11:48THOSE PORTLANDERS PUT HOURS OF

11:49THEIR OWN TIME LOOKING INTO

11:50ENERGY USE IN THE BUILT

11:52ENVIRONMENT. HOW BUILDING

11:54DECARBONIZATION POLICIES

11:55INTERSECT WITH RACIAL JUSTICE,

11:57TIME SPENT IN MEETINGS, IN

11:58PERSON, AND THEN OVER ZOOM WHEN

12:00THE PANDEMIC HIT AND THEY WERE

12:02MOVED BY A DEEP COMMITMENT TO

12:03FAMILIES THAT LOOK LIKE THEIRS

12:04AND THE FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO

12:06WILL SUFFER IF WE DO NOT DO OUR

12:08PART. NOW, THIS WORK STARTED

12:10SIX YEARS AGO, AND I KNOW THERE

12:11HAVE BEEN MANY COMMUNITY

12:12MEMBERS WAITING AT LEAST THAT

12:14LONG FOR US TO GET TO THIS

12:15POINT OF ACTUALLY INTRODUCING

12:16THE POLICY. BUT BEFORE WE

12:18CONSIDER THE CODE CHANGES THAT

12:19I'LL BE BRINGING TO OUR OCTOBER

12:2120TH MEETING, I WANTED TO HAVE

12:23A CHANCE FOR THE COMMITTEE TO

12:24HEAR FROM SUBJECT MATTER

12:25EXPERTS AND ADVOCATES FOR THIS

12:27WORK. SO, FIRST, STAFF FROM THE

12:29BUREAU OF PLANNING AND

12:30SUSTAINABILITY WILL SHARE AN

12:31OVERVIEW OF PAST WORK RELATED

12:33TO THE CITY'S CLIMATE AND

12:34HEALTH STANDARDS FOR EXISTING

12:35BUILDINGS PROJECTS. THEN WE

12:37WILL HAVE THREE INVITED PANELS.

12:39THE FIRST PANEL WILL HAVE OUR

12:41CHIEF SUSTAINABILITY OFFICER

12:43AND SUSTAINABILITY AND CLIMATE

12:44COMMISSION CO-CHAIR. THE NEXT

12:46PANEL WILL HAVE INVITED GUESTS

12:47FROM THE COUNTY AND COMMUNITY

12:49ORGANIZATIONS WORKING ON

12:50CLIMATE JUSTICE. AND FINALLY,

12:52WE'LL HEAR FROM LEADERS IN

12:53OTHER US CITIES WHO'VE

12:54CHAMPIONED CHAMPIONED BUILDING

12:56PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. SO,

12:57COLLEAGUES, THIS TIME IS REALLY

12:59MEANT FOR US TO GET MORE

13:00FAMILIAR WITH THE BACKGROUND OF

13:02AND THE BROADER CONTEXT THAT

13:03THE POLICY SITS IN. THIS IS NOT

13:05INTENDED TO BE A SPACE TO

13:06REALLY DIG INTO THE SPECIFICS,

13:07SINCE THE ORDINANCE WILL BE

13:09COMING NEXT TIME, BUT YOU

13:10SHOULD HAVE THE ORDINANCE TEXT

13:12I HAVE EMAILED COPY, AND IT'S

13:14ALSO AVAILABLE ON MY WEBSITE IN

13:15CASE FOLKS OF THE PUBLIC WANT

13:17TO TAKE A LOOK. AND WHAT I'M

13:18HOPING TO ACHIEVE AT THIS

13:19MEETING IS JUST CREATING AN

13:21OPPORTUNITY TO STEP BACK AND

13:22CONSIDER WHAT CHESS MEANS FOR

13:24THE HEALTH AND LIVABILITY OF

13:25OUR COMMUNITIES AND OUR CITY.

13:27AND MY APOLOGIES, GLORIA, I

13:28GAVE YOU THE WRONG PROMPT

13:30BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO COME

13:31AFTER ME. SO YOU CAN YOU CAN

13:33STAY UP THERE OR WHATEVER. BUT

13:35FIRST, I WANT TO BRING UP BTS

13:37STAFF FOR A PRESENTATION ON THE

13:39HISTORY OF THE CLIMATE AND

13:40HEALTH STANDARDS FOR EXISTING

13:41BUILDINGS POLICY, AND AN

13:43OVERVIEW OF A RECENTLY

13:44COMPLETED PILOT PROJECT. THANK

13:47YOU. WE'VE GOT ANDREA AND VIN

13:52HERE. IF YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE

13:53YOURSELVES FORMALLY AND TAKE IT

13:55AWAY.

13:56>> YES. JUST GIVE ME ONE MINUTE

13:58TO SHARE. OKAY? GOOD AFTERNOON,

14:09CHAIR AVALOS, VICE CHAIR, GREEN

14:11AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.

14:12FOR THE RECORD, I'M ANDREA

14:14JACOB, I'M THE MANAGER OF THE

14:16CLIMATE POLICY TEAM AT THE

14:17BUREAU OF PLANNING AND

14:18SUSTAINABILITY. THANK YOU FOR

14:19THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE

14:21TODAY TO SHARE SOME OF THE

14:23BACKSTORY OF CLIMATE AND HEALTH

14:24STANDARDS FOR EXISTING

14:25BUILDINGS. IT'S THE PRECURSOR

14:26WORK, AS CHAIR AVALOS SAID TO

14:28THE WORK CURRENTLY LED BY HER

14:30OFFICE. SO THE CORE EXPERTISE

14:32OF THE BTS CLIMATE TEAM LIES AT

14:34THE INTERSECTION OF THE BUILT

14:36ENVIRONMENT AND CLIMATE SCIENCE

14:38POLICY AND PRACTICE, AND I HAVE

14:40BEEN WORKING TOGETHER ON

14:41EQUITABLE BUILDING

14:43DECARBONIZATION SINCE 2018, AND

14:45WE EACH HAVE BEEN WORKING ON

14:47CLIMATE, BUILDINGS AND ENERGY

14:48AT THE CITY FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS

14:50APIECE. SO THERE'S A FAIR BIT

14:51OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE HERE

14:52TODAY. OUR WORK ON CLIMATE AND

14:55HEALTH STANDARDS HAS BEEN

14:56GUIDED BY THE BUREAU'S

14:58ANTI-RACISM AND RACIAL EQUITY

14:59MISSION AND VALUES. SO THIS

15:01STORY, THE STORY OF THIS WORK,

15:02IS REALLY A STORY OF COMMUNITY

15:04ENGAGEMENT, COMMUNITY

15:05LEADERSHIP AND COMMUNITY

15:07PRIORITIES. IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF

15:08HOW GOVERNMENT CAN INNOVATE,

15:11ADAPT AND SHARE POWER IN POLICY

15:13DEVELOPMENT. SO WE HAVE TWO

15:16MAIN SECTIONS OF OUR

15:17PRESENTATION TODAY. VIN IS

15:19GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH A

15:20PRETTY ABBREVIATED HISTORY OF

15:21THE POLICY JUST DUE TO TIME.

15:23AND WE'LL THEN PRESENT SOME

15:25FINDINGS FROM A PILOT THAT WE

15:27CONDUCTED WITH MULTIFAMILY

15:28BUILDING OWNERS AND MANAGERS.

15:30AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TIME FOR

15:31SOME QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.

15:33>> THANK YOU. ANDREA. GOOD

15:35AFTERNOON, CHAIR AVALOS, VICE

15:37CHAIR, GREEN, AND MEMBERS OF

15:38THE COMMITTEE. FOR THE RECORD,

15:40MY NAME IS VIN MASON. I WORK

15:42FOR THE BUREAU OF PLANNING AND

15:44SUSTAINABILITY AS A SENIOR

15:46CLIMATE POLICY ADVISER AND

15:47OVERSEE PORTLAND'S COMMERCIAL

15:48ENERGY REPORTING REQUIREMENTS

15:50THAT WERE ADOPTED BY CITY

15:51COUNCIL IN 2015. NEXT SLIDE

15:53PLEASE. I'LL START WITH AN

15:57OVERVIEW OF THE CLIMATE HEALTH

15:58STANDARDS POLICY DEVELOPMENT

16:00TIMELINE. BP'S WORK ON THIS

16:02POLICY BEGAN AS A PARTNERSHIP

16:03WITH BUILD SHIFT, WHICH WAS A

16:05COLLECTIVE OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS

16:07AND ORGANIZATIONS ESTABLISHED

16:09BY THE COALITION OF COMMUNITIES

16:11OF COLOR IN VERDE. THROUGH

16:13COMMUNITY LED ENGAGEMENT, WE

16:14DEVELOPED THE HEART STANDARDS

16:15POLICY CONCEPT TO DECARBONIZE

16:18PORTLAND'S BUILDINGS WHILE

16:19ADVANCING RACIAL EQUITY. IN

16:222022, THE HEART STANDARDS MOVED

16:23INTO THE NEXT PHASE OF POLICY

16:25DEVELOPMENT ADVANCED BY BAPS AS

16:27THE CLIMATE AND HEALTH

16:29STANDARDS FOR EXISTING

16:30BUILDINGS. THIS PROPOSAL

16:32INCLUDED COMMERCIAL AND

16:34MULTIFAMILY CARBON PERFORMANCE

16:36STANDARDS THAT WOULD REQUIRE

16:37PROPERTY OWNERS TO GRADUALLY

16:38REDUCE THEIR CARBON EMISSIONS.

16:41THE CITY ALSO CONSIDERED A

16:42MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE LIMIT THAT

16:44WOULD PROVIDE COOLING TO RENTAL

16:45HOUSING. BTS POLICY DEVELOPMENT

16:49PAUSED IN 2023 AFTER OREGON

16:51PASSED HOUSE BILL 3409 AND

16:54BEGAN ADMINISTRATIVE RULEMAKING

16:55FOR STATEWIDE COMMERCIAL

16:57BUILDING ENERGY PERFORMANCE

16:59STANDARDS. BTS ESTIMATES THAT

17:00THE STATE'S REQUIREMENTS WILL

17:02REDUCE CARBON EMISSIONS FROM

17:04PORTLAND'S COVERED BUILDINGS BY

17:05ONLY 5%, WELL SHORT OF THE

17:08CITY'S ADOPTED GOAL OF ZERO

17:10EMISSIONS BY 2050. IN 2024. AND

17:15THE CITY'S CHIEF SUSTAINABILITY

17:17OFFICER MOVED A SMALL PIECE OF

17:19THE CLIMATE HEALTH STANDARDS

17:20FORWARD AS THE MULTIFAMILY

17:21ENERGY REPORTING AND TENANT

17:22NOTICE PROPOSAL DRAFT CITY CODE

17:25WAS RELEASED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT

17:27IN MAY 2024 AND RECEIVED MUCH

17:28COMMUNITY SUPPORT. BUT PROPERTY

17:30OWNERS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE

17:31COST OF COMPLIANCE AND

17:34EXACERBATING THE HOUSING

17:35AFFORDABILITY CRISIS, A CONCERN

17:36SHARED BY BTS. WE PIVOTED TO

17:40CONDUCT A PILOT PROJECT TO

17:41EXAMINE THE CONCERNS OF

17:43PROPERTY OWNERS AND ROLL OUT SB

17:45TWO FUNDING FOR APARTMENT

17:47BUILDING RETROFITS. I'LL COVER

17:49EACH OF THESE MAJOR POLICY

17:51MILESTONES IN A BIT MORE DETAIL,

17:52STARTING WITH THE HEART

17:53STANDARDS. NEXT SLIDE. WITH

17:58TWIN GOALS OF BUILDING

17:59DECARBONIZATION AND ADVANCING

18:00RACIAL EQUITY, THE HEART

18:02STANDARDS FOCUS ON FIVE

18:03COMMUNITY PRIORITIES FOR RENTAL

18:05HOUSING FIRST, IMPROVING THE

18:06HEALTH OF TENANTS. NEXT,

18:08EQUITABLE ENERGY THAT DECREASES

18:10UTILITY BILLS WITHOUT

18:11INCREASING RENT. AT THE CENTER

18:14OF THE HEART IS

18:15ANTI-DISPLACEMENT TO MITIGATE

18:16UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES LIKE

18:18RELOCATION OF TENANTS DURING

18:19BUILDING RETROFITS. ANOTHER KEY

18:22COMMUNITY PRIORITY IS

18:24RESILIENCE TO FUTURE CLIMATE

18:25IMPACTS. THE HEART STANDARDS

18:27WERE DEVELOPED IN 2021, THE

18:28SAME YEAR AS THE PACIFIC

18:29NORTHWEST HEAT DOME. A

18:31TEMPERATURE LIMIT FOR RENTAL

18:33HOUSING WOULD ASSURE ACCESS TO

18:34COOLING TO HELP TENANTS SURVIVE

18:36EXTREME HEAT EVENTS IN THE

18:37FUTURE. NEXT SLIDE. RECEIVED

18:44BROADER STAKEHOLDER INPUT ON

18:46THE HEART STANDARDS POLICY

18:48CONCEPT THROUGH WEEKLY BUILDING,

18:49OWNER AND TENANT WORKGROUP

18:50MEETINGS. IN 2022, WE CONTINUED

18:53STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT TO

18:55REFINE POLICY DETAILS THROUGH

18:572024. THE ENGAGEMENT RESULTED

18:59IN THE CLIMATE HEALTH STANDARDS

19:00FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS STAFF

19:01PROPOSAL WITH THREE MAIN POLICY

19:04CONCEPTS OR COMPONENTS. THE

19:06FIRST REQUIRES MULTIFAMILY

19:08BUILDING OWNERS WITH FOUR OR

19:09MORE RENTAL UNITS TO NOTIFY

19:11PROSPECTIVE TENANTS OF KEY

19:12CLIMATE AND HEALTH INFORMATION

19:14AT TIME OF APPLICATION, THE

19:16PURPOSE IS TO INFORM DECISIONS

19:17RELATED TO THE COST OF ENERGY

19:19BILLS, HEALTH RISKS ASSOCIATED

19:20WITH NATURAL GAS STOVES, AND

19:22ACCESS TO COOLING. THE SECOND

19:25AND THIRD POLICY COMPONENTS

19:26WOULD APPLY TO BUILDINGS

19:2820,000FT AND LARGER. THIS SIZE

19:30THRESHOLD COVERS ABOUT 1000

19:32COMMERCIAL AND 1000 APARTMENT

19:34BUILDINGS. THE HEATING AND

19:35POWERING OF THESE LARGE

19:37BUILDINGS ACCOUNTS FOR

19:38APPROXIMATELY 16% OF THE CITY'S

19:40TOTAL CARBON EMISSIONS. NEXT

19:44SLIDE. OKAY, SO THIS IS THE

19:48PART OF THE POLICY THAT DEALS

19:49WITH THE MECHANICS OF HOW TO

19:51ACTUALLY GET THE CARBON

19:52REDUCTIONS. PERFORMANCE

19:54STANDARDS ARE AN EFFECTIVE

19:55POLICY TOOL. UNLIKE

19:57PRESCRIPTIVE RETROFITS,

19:58PERFORMANCE STANDARDS GIVE

19:59BUILDING OWNERS FLEXIBILITY TO

20:00CHOOSE A COMPLIANCE PATHWAY

20:02THAT IS BEST SUITED FOR THE

20:03UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THEIR

20:05BUILDING. TEN OTHER U.S. CITIES

20:07HAVE ADOPTED BUILDING

20:08PERFORMANCE STANDARDS TO

20:09ACHIEVE THEIR CLIMATE GOALS,

20:10INCLUDING CARBON PERFORMANCE

20:12STANDARDS IN BOSTON, NEW YORK,

20:14AND SEATTLE. IN PORTLAND, THESE

20:17STANDARDS WOULD REQUIRE COVERED

20:18BUILDINGS TO REDUCE THEIR

20:19CARBON EMISSIONS 20% EVERY FIVE

20:21YEARS, STARTING 2030 UNTIL ZERO

20:23BY 2050. IN 2030, ALL COVERED

20:26BUILDINGS WOULD ALREADY COMPLY

20:28DUE TO STATE MANDATES FOR

20:29ELECTRIC UTILITIES. BY 2040,

20:31THE STATE REQUIRES 100% CLEAN

20:34ELECTRICITY, WHICH WOULD ENABLE

20:35ALL ELECTRIC BUILDINGS TO MEET

20:37PORTLAND'S CARBON PERFORMANCE

20:39STANDARDS. THIS CHART SHOWS HOW

20:41A POOR PERFORMER LIKE BUILDING

20:44A WOULD HAVE A STEEPER SLOPE TO

20:45GET FROM ITS BASELINE YEAR TO

20:47ZERO, COMPARED TO A HIGH

20:49PERFORMING BUILDING C IT ALSO

20:51SHOWS THE LONG RUNWAY FOR

20:53COMPLIANCE. BUILDING OWNERS

20:56COULD CHOOSE FROM ANY

20:57COMBINATION OF THREE COMPLIANCE

20:59PATHWAYS ONE REDUCE EMISSIONS

21:01THROUGH ENERGY EFFICIENCY OR ON

21:02SITE RENEWABLES, TWO ELECTRIFY

21:05EQUIPMENT AND THREE PAY A

21:07CARBON POLLUTION IMPACT FEE IN

21:08LIEU OF MEETING THE STANDARD.

21:11RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF

21:12COMPLIANCE COSTS, BTS

21:14CONTRACTED NORTHWEST TO

21:15COMPLETE AN ANALYSIS OF

21:17POTENTIAL ECONOMIC IMPACTS OF

21:18THESE STANDARDS. THE ANALYSIS

21:21CONCLUDES THAT THERE WOULD

21:22LIKELY BE NO NET IMPACT TO

21:24RENTERS HOUSING COSTS, GIVEN A

21:26LONG COMPLIANCE PERIOD FOR

21:27PROPERTY OWNERS. NEXT SLIDE

21:29PLEASE. NEXT, I'M GOING TO

21:34COVER THIS PART OF THE POLICY

21:35IN MORE DEPTH, BECAUSE ENERGY

21:37BENCHMARKING AND REPORTING ARE

21:38THE FOUNDATION FOR REDUCING

21:39EMISSIONS AND SAVING ENERGY.

21:41SINCE 2015, THE CITY HAS

21:43REQUIRED PROPERTY OWNERS OF

21:44PORTLAND'S LARGEST COMMERCIAL

21:46BUILDINGS TO ANNUALLY REPORT

21:47THEIR ENERGY USE AND CARBON

21:48EMISSIONS, BUT MULTIFAMILY

21:50BUILDINGS ARE NOT INCLUDED.

21:52THIS IS A GAP THAT BAPS HAS

21:53LONG WANTED TO FILL. NEXT SLIDE.

21:58AS NOTED EARLIER, BAPS RELEASED

22:00A DRAFT MULTIFAMILY ENERGY

22:02REPORTING AND TENANT NOTICE

22:03POLICY PROPOSAL FOR PUBLIC

22:04COMMENT. IN 2024, WE RECEIVED

22:07CONCERNS FROM PROPERTY OWNER

22:08REPRESENTATIVES THAT

22:09BENCHMARKING IS EXTREMELY

22:10DIFFICULT TO GATHER, REQUIRED

22:12INFORMATION FROM TENANTS AND

22:14COMPLIANCE COULD COST TENS OF

22:15THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER

22:16BUILDING, LEADING TO TENANT

22:18DISPLACEMENT. FROM MAY 2025 TO

22:21MAY 2026, BTS CONTRACTED

22:23EFFICIENCY FOR EVERYONE TO LEAD

22:24A PILOT PROJECT TO CLARIFY THE

22:26COMPLIANCE COSTS AND PINCH

22:28POINTS FOR BUILDING OWNERS TO

22:29ANNUALLY BENCHMARK REPORT

22:30ENERGY PERFORMANCE TO THE CITY.

22:33NEXT SLIDE. FIVE PROPERTY

22:35OWNERS VOLUNTEERED TO

22:36PARTICIPATE IN THE PILOT,

22:37INCLUDING REPRESENTATION OF

22:39APARTMENT BUILDINGS ACROSS ALL

22:40FOUR COUNCIL DISTRICTS. NEXT

22:42SLIDE. PROPERTY MANAGERS NEEDED

22:473 TO 9 HOURS TO COMPLETE THEIR

22:48INITIAL ENERGY BENCHMARKING AND

22:49REPORTING. THE AMOUNT OF TIME

22:51TO COMPLETE EACH STEP OF THE

22:52PROCESS VARIED BASED ON UTILITY

22:54PROVIDER AND THE NUMBER OF

22:55METERS PER BUILDING. EACH

22:58PARTICIPANT RELIED ON DATA

22:59AGGREGATION SERVICES PROVIDED

23:01BY THEIR RESPECTIVE UTILITIES.

23:03ALL PARTICIPANTS USE TWO KEY

23:05RESOURCES THE FREE ONLINE

23:06ENERGY STAR PORTFOLIO MANAGER,

23:08SOFTWARE MAINTAINED BY THE

23:09FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND ONE ON

23:12ONE ASSISTANCE PROVIDED BY THE

23:13CITY'S ENERGY REPORTING HELP

23:15DESK. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

23:20OVERALL, PARTICIPANTS CALLED

23:21THE BENCHMARKING PROCESS EASY

23:23TO DO AND PRETTY BASIC. ALL

23:26PARTICIPANTS SAID FUTURE ENERGY

23:27REPORTING WOULD REQUIRE LESS

23:28THAN TWO HOURS OF THEIR TIME

23:30ANNUALLY, DEPENDING ON THE

23:32PROPERTY MANAGERS CAPACITY AND

23:34UTILITY DATA AGGREGATION. THE

23:35DURATION OF THE BENCHMARKING

23:36PROCESS RANGED FROM 1 TO 3

23:38MONTHS. PARTICIPANTS NOTED THAT

23:41THE PORTFOLIO MANAGER WEBSITE

23:42IS NOT INTUITIVE, SO SUPPORT

23:43FROM THE CITY'S HELP DESK WAS

23:45ESSENTIAL. NONE OF THE PROPERTY

23:47MANAGERS NEEDED TO INTERACT

23:49WITH TENANTS TO COMPLETE THEIR

23:50ENERGY BENCHMARKING REPORTING.

23:52THESE FINDINGS ARE CONSISTENT

23:54WITH BWP'S IMPLEMENTATION OF

23:56THE COMMERCIAL ENERGY REPORTING

23:57PROGRAM OVER THE LAST 11 YEARS.

24:00AND LAST SLIDE IN CLOSING, I'LL

24:04NOTE THAT CARBON PERFORMANCE

24:05STANDARDS ARE A KEY ACTION IN

24:06THE CITY'S CLIMATE EMERGENCY

24:08WORK PLAN TO ELIMINATE CARBON

24:09FROM EXISTING BUILDINGS. NEARLY

24:12HALF OF PORTLAND'S EMISSIONS

24:13PRODUCED LOCALLY COME FROM THE

24:15HEATING, COOLING AND POWERING

24:16OF OUR HOMES AND BUILDINGS. SO

24:20WITH THAT, THIS TIME WE CAN

24:21TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE

24:23COMMITTEE THAT YOU MAY HAVE

24:25REGARDING BTS HISTORY IN

24:26DEVELOPING THE CLIMATE HEALTH

24:27STANDARDS STAFF PROPOSAL, AND

24:29THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

24:31>> THANK YOU. BEFORE WE DO

24:33QUESTIONS, WHY DON'T I DO MY

24:35NEXT PRESENTATION TO JUST ROUND

24:36OUT THE INFORMATIONAL. AND THEN

24:38I'LL OPEN UP FOR SOME QUESTIONS

24:40AND WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT

24:42PANEL. AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY

24:44I WANT TO TRY TO KEEP THE

24:46PANELS TO BE ABLE TO GET

24:47THROUGH THEIR TIME. SO I DON'T

24:49WANT TO GET TO MARTIN QUESTIONS

24:50IF I NEED TO MOVE US FORWARD,

24:52AND THEN WE COME BACK TO

24:53QUESTIONS AT THE END, I'LL LET

24:55YOU KNOW, BUT WE'LL JUST KIND

24:57OF SEE WHAT PEOPLE HAVE. SO

24:58LET'S GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. YOU

24:59ALL BTS FOR BEING HERE. AND

25:02THEN LET ME PUT UP MY

25:04PRESENTATION, WHICH WILL JUST

25:05ADD THE FINAL LITTLE PIECES OF

25:08CONTEXT. OKAY. THERE WE GO. ALL

25:24RIGHT. SO YES, AGAIN, THANK YOU,

25:26ANDREA AND VIN, FOR YOUR

25:28PRESENTATION ON THE BACKGROUND

25:29OF THE CLIMATE AND HEALTH

25:30STANDARDS FOR EXISTING

25:31BUILDINGS AND THE PILOT STUDY

25:33FINDINGS, I THINK IT REALLY

25:34SPEAKS TO THE THOUGHTFUL

25:36OUTREACH AND YEARS OF WORK THAT

25:37WENT INTO DEVELOPING THE POLICY.

25:38AND MY OFFICE HAS APPRECIATED

25:39YOUR ASSISTANCE THROUGHOUT THIS

25:41PROCESS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH,

25:43COLLEAGUES. THIS TIME IS REALLY

25:44MEANT FOR US TO GET MORE

25:45FAMILIAR AGAIN, WITH THE

25:46BACKGROUND OF CHESS AND THE

25:48BROADER CONTEXT THAT THE POLICY

25:49SITS IN, NOT NECESSARILY TO DIG

25:51INTO THOSE SPECIFICS, LIKE I

25:52SAID AT THIS LEVEL, BUT WE'RE

25:54GOING TO GET MORE INTO IT WITH

25:56THE FUTURE PANELS. SO LET'S GO

25:59AHEAD INTO THE NEXT SLIDE. ALL

26:04RIGHT. SO I WANT TO BEGIN BY

26:06JUST GROUNDING IN THE THREE

26:07PRINCIPLES THAT HAVE GUIDED MY

26:09OFFICE'S WORK FROM THE

26:10BEGINNING. SO THE FIRST IS

26:12CLIMATE ACTION SHOULD NOT COME

26:13AT THE EXPENSE OF HOUSING

26:15STABILITY. THE SECOND ONE IS

26:17STANDARDS SHOULD BE MEANINGFUL

26:19AND ENFORCEABLE. WHILE

26:20RECOGNIZING THAT SOME BUILDINGS

26:22FACE GENUINE TECHNICAL

26:23CHALLENGES. AND THIRD,

26:25COMMUNITIES SHOULD NOT CONTINUE

26:26BURYING THE HEALTH AND CLIMATE

26:28COSTS OF INEFFICIENT BUILDINGS.

26:31AND SO THAT MOVES US INTO THE

26:35CORE PILLARS. AND SO

26:37ESSENTIALLY, CHESS BUILDS ON

26:38THE CITY'S EXISTING COMMERCIAL

26:40BUILDING ENERGY PROGRAM AND

26:42STATE GUIDELINES BY CREATING

26:45MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL,

26:46ANNUAL ENERGY REPORTING. SO

26:48CHESS WOULD ADD CLOSE TO 1200

26:51OF PORTLAND'S MULTIFAMILY

26:52RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS TO THE

26:54OVER 1000 COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS

26:55THAT ARE 20,000FT AND LARGER

26:58CURRENTLY REQUIRED TO REPORT

26:59OUT THEIR ENERGY USE AND CARBON

27:01EMISSIONS EACH YEAR. THIS WOULD

27:03COVER ABOUT 40% OF PORTLAND'S

27:05BUILDING SECTOR EMISSIONS ON

27:08MINIMUM CARBON. ON MINIMUM

27:10CARBON PERFORMANCE STANDARDS,

27:12COVERED BUILDINGS MUST REDUCE

27:13GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS 20%

27:15EVERY FIVE YEARS, STARTING IN

27:172030 AND REACHING ZERO

27:18EMISSIONS BY 2050. REGULATED

27:20AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS EXEMPT

27:21BECAUSE THOSE BUILDINGS ARE

27:22ALREADY BEING DECARBONIZED

27:24THROUGH SAFE INVESTMENTS, AND

27:25OREGON'S CLEAN ENERGY TARGETS,

27:28CLIMATE AND HEALTH INFORMATION

27:29AND TRANSPARENCY STANDARD FOR

27:31TENANTS WAS REALLY CRITICAL AS

27:33WELL. SO OWNERS OF ATTACHED

27:34RENTAL HOUSING, FOURPLEXES AND

27:36LARGER WOULD BE REQUIRED TO

27:38PROVIDE KEY ENERGY, COST AND

27:39HEALTH INFORMATION TO

27:40PROSPECTIVE RENTERS, LIKE HOW

27:42TO ACCESS AVERAGE AND PEAK

27:44ENERGY COST INFORMATION,

27:45AVAILABLE ASSISTANCE FOR

27:46UTILITY BILLS AND COOLING UNIT

27:49COOLING SYSTEMS SUCH AS CENTRAL

27:50AC. THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES A

27:53CARBON POLLUTION IMPACT FEE AS

27:55AN ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE

27:56PATHWAY FOR CERTAIN COVERED

27:57BUILDINGS AND ALTERNATIVE

27:59COMPLIANCE PLANS FOR LARGE

28:00INSTITUTIONAL CAMPUSES WITH

28:02SHARED ENERGY SYSTEMS SUCH AS

28:04UNIVERSITIES. I THINK IT IS

28:05IMPORTANT TO NOTE THOSE OTHER

28:07COMPLIANCE PATHWAYS FOR THE

28:08CARBON PERFORMANCE STANDARDS,

28:10BECAUSE THIS POLICY IS NOT

28:11INTENDED TO BE RIGID OR

28:12PUNITIVE. DHS IS INTENTIONALLY

28:14BUILT WITH FLEXIBILITY AND AN

28:16UNDERSTANDING THAT NOT EVERY

28:17BUILDING HAS THE SAME ROAD TO

28:20DECARBONIZATION. I AM GRATEFUL

28:22TO EVERYONE WHO HAS WEIGHED IN

28:24AND OFFERED SUGGESTIONS AS

28:25WE'VE BUILT, AS WE HAVE BUILT

28:28UP TO THIS POINT, TO

28:29INTRODUCING THE POLICY. AND

28:31THIS POLICY IS NOW STRONGER

28:33BECAUSE OF THE MULTITUDE OF

28:34PERSPECTIVES THAT WENT INTO IT.

28:36IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE GREAT

28:37ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH WORK

28:38THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT FROM

28:39ANDREA AND VIN, MY OFFICE

28:41CONDUCTED OUR OWN, INCLUDING A

28:42WORKSHOP THAT WAS OPEN TO THE

28:44PUBLIC. SO IN JULY, I HELD MY

28:48WORKSHOP WITH ME TO NEXT SLIDE

28:50TO HEAR FEEDBACK FROM KEY

28:52STAKEHOLDERS. IN ADDITION TO

28:53THE CONVERSATIONS WE WERE

28:54ALREADY HAVING OVER EMAIL AND

28:56IN OTHER MEETINGS, WE HAD A

28:57WIDE RANGE OF PERSPECTIVES,

28:58INCLUDING HOUSING PROVIDERS,

29:00REAL ESTATE, COMMUNITY, LABOR,

29:02HEALTHCARE, AND OTHER

29:05INTERESTED RESIDENTS THAT JUST

29:06WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT

29:08OF THIS POLICY ON THEM. PEOPLE

29:10WERE SPLIT INTO THREE BREAKOUT

29:12GROUPS, AND PARTICIPANTS TOOK

29:14TURNS DISCUSSING THE ENERGY

29:15REPORTING AND CARBON

29:16PERFORMANCE, STANDARD TENANT

29:18INFORMATION AND

29:19ANTI-DISPLACEMENT REQUIREMENTS,

29:21AND THE COMPLIANCE AND IMPACT

29:22FEE, AND PARTICIPANTS WERE ALSO

29:24ENCOURAGED TO WRITE DOWN THEIR

29:25FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS FOR

29:26ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP. AND SO

29:28WHAT WE HEARD, MY MY BIGGEST

29:31TAKEAWAY IS THAT WE DIDN'T HEAR

29:33BROAD OPPOSITION TO THE CONCEPT.

29:34WE HEARD A LOT OF

29:35IMPLEMENTATION QUESTIONS.

29:36PEOPLE DIDN'T DISAGREE WITH THE

29:38NECESSITY OF CUTTING CLIMATE

29:39POLLUTION FROM BUILDINGS, THE

29:40NEED FOR TRANSPARENCY ABOUT

29:42BUILDING ENERGY USE AND HEALTH

29:43CONCERNS, OR THE FACT THAT

29:45BUSINESS AS USUAL ISN'T

29:46SUSTAINABLE FOR RENTERS, FOR

29:47OUR CITY, OR FOR THE. BUILDINGS

29:50ARE ONE OF THE LARGEST, LARGEST,

29:51IF NOT THE LARGEST SOURCE OF

29:53CLIMATE POLLUTION IN OUR CITY,

29:54AND PORTLAND SHOULD BE WORKING

29:56TO CONTINUE TO ENSURE THAT OUR

29:58BUILDINGS MATCH OUR CURRENT

29:59CLIMATE REALITY AND TO MEET OUR

30:01CLIMATE GOALS, WHILE ALSO

30:03ENSURING THAT RENTERS SHOULD

30:04HAVE ACCESS TO SAFE,

30:06COMFORTABLE AND ENERGY

30:06EFFICIENT HOMES AND BASIC

30:08INFORMATION ABOUT THE CONDITION

30:10AND ENERGY USAGE OF THEIR

30:11HOUSING. I WANT TO END WITH A

30:14QUOTE BECAUSE SOMETIMES AS

30:16POLICY MAKERS, WE CAN GET TO

30:17NITTY GRITTY IN THE LANGUAGE

30:19AND LOSE SIGHT OF WHO WE'RE

30:21DOING THIS FOR. IN 2022, HIGH

30:23COUNTRY NEWS DID A STORY ABOUT

30:25THE BUILD SHIFT COLLECTIVE AND

30:26THEIR WORK WORK THAT REALLY SET

30:28THE FOUNDATION OF THE CLIMATE

30:29AND HEALTH STANDARD. AND ONE

30:31MEMBER, ANJANETTE BROWN, ON WHY

30:33THEY'RE WORKING TO ADDRESS THE

30:34HEALTH, CLIMATE AND EQUITY

30:35ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH HOLMES

30:37SAID, QUOTE, BLESS YOU. I

30:40ENVISION THAT WE ARE CHAMPIONS

30:42IN SAVING OUR ENVIRONMENT AT

30:43WHATEVER COST, FOR OUR BENEFIT,

30:44FOR OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS. AND

30:47SO THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT

30:48AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND SO

30:51WITH THAT, I WANT TO TURN IT

30:52OVER. LET ME CHECK THE QUEUE

30:54HERE. I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS FOR

30:56FIRST PANEL. WE CAN ALWAYS COME

30:58BACK AT THE END. OKAY. SOUNDS

31:00GOOD. SO THEN I'M GOING TO GO

31:01AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO OUR

31:03NEXT SET OF INVITED PANELISTS

31:04WHO ARE GOING TO SHARE HOW THE

31:06CLIMATE HEALTH STANDARD FITS

31:07WITHIN A BROADER ECOSYSTEM. SO

31:09WE'RE GOING TO HAVE

31:10REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE

31:11SUSTAINABILITY OFFICE,

31:12MULTNOMAH COUNTY COMMUNITY AND

31:14NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS SPEAKING

31:15BEFORE MOVING INTO QUESTIONS

31:16AND GENERAL DISCUSSION LATER.

31:18SO FIRST UP, COME ON UP. WE'VE

31:19GOT OUR CHIEF SUSTAINABILITY

31:21OFFICER, VIVIAN SATTERFIELD,

31:22AND SUSTAINABILITY AND CLIMATE

31:24COMMISSION CO-CHAIR JOSE

31:26GUERRERO JORGENSEN. WELCOME.

31:30>> THANK YOU. CHAIR AVALOS,

31:31VICE CHAIR, GREEN, MEMBERS OF

31:32THE COMMITTEE. FOR THE RECORD,

31:33I'M VIVIAN SATTERFIELD, I'M

31:35YOUR CHIEF SUSTAINABILITY

31:36OFFICER. AND THANK YOU FOR THE

31:38INVITATION TO SPEAK ABOUT THE

31:39PROPOSED CLIMATE AND HEALTH

31:40STANDARDS POLICY AND HOW IT

31:41FITS WITHIN THE CITY'S CLIMATE

31:43ACTION GOALS. I'D LIKE TO TAKE

31:44THIS MOMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE

31:45COUNCILOR PIRTLE-GUINEY FOR

31:47DEDICATING A RECENT CITY LIFE

31:49COMMITTEE TO ACTUALLY

31:50DISCUSSING AND TAKING A DEEP

31:51DIVE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE

31:52MEMBERS ON THE CITY'S CARBON

31:54EMISSION GOALS, AND ALSO A DEEP

31:56DIVE INTO THE INVENTORY AND

31:58DATA. SO AS ALWAYS, THIS OFFICE

32:01AND THE SUSTAINABILITY AND

32:03CLIMATE COMMISSION STAND READY

32:04TO SUPPORT YOUR WORK AND HELP

32:06OFFER TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. AS

32:09I MENTIONED IN THE CITY LIFE

32:10COMMITTEE, THIS WILL BE A

32:12BRIEFER OVERVIEW THAN WHAT WE

32:13OFFERED THAT PARTICULAR

32:14COMMITTEE. PORTLAND AND

32:14MULTNOMAH COUNTY HAVE BEEN

32:16TRACKING CARBON EMISSIONS

32:17TOGETHER FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS.

32:19IN 2020, THE PRIOR CITY COUNCIL

32:21DECLARED A CLIMATE EMERGENCY

32:22AND DIRECTED BUREAUS TO RESTORE

32:24A SAFE CLIMATE FOR ALL

32:25PORTLANDERS. SO TO DO THAT, WE

32:27MUST MEET TWO TARGETS. THE

32:29FIRST ONE IS BY 2030, WHICH IS

32:30TO CUT EMISSIONS 50% BY 1990

32:34LEVELS, AND THEN BY 2050 REACH

32:36NET ZERO. COLLECTIVELY, WE

32:39REACH PEAK EMISSIONS IN 2000

32:41AND AS OF 2023, EMISSIONS ARE

32:4426% BELOW 1990 LEVELS, WHICH IS

32:47SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS COMPARED

32:48TO THE UNITED STATES AS A WHOLE

32:50OVERALL. BUT WE MUST MOVE

32:51FASTER. HITTING OUR 2030 GOAL

32:54REQUIRES REDUCING EMISSIONS

32:55ABOUT 5.5% EVERY YEAR FROM NOW

32:58ON. THAT'S ROUGHLY 320,000

33:01METRIC TONS ANNUALLY AFTER 2030.

33:04THE PACE CAN EASE SLIGHTLY, BUT

33:06THE WORK AHEAD OF US REMAINS

33:09SUBSTANTIAL. SO THIS IS A

33:11PIVOTAL MOMENT FOR CITIES. AS

33:13CLIMATE IMPACTS INTENSIFY, WE

33:15NEED TO ACCELERATE NEAR-TERM

33:16ACTION WHILE CONTINUING TO

33:18BUILD RESILIENCE FOR WHAT'S

33:19AHEAD. JUST LAST MONTH IN

33:21SEPTEMBER, THE UNITED NATIONS

33:22ENVIRONMENT PROGRAM WARNED THAT

33:25CROSSING THE 1.5°C GLOBAL

33:28THRESHOLD WILL ESCALATE RISKS

33:29INTO DANGEROUS AND EVEN UNKNOWN

33:32TERRITORY. RAPID COLLECTIVE

33:35ACTION WILL HELP REDUCE THOSE

33:36RISKS AND IMPROVE OUR ABILITY

33:38TO BRING TEMPERATURES BACK DOWN

33:39OVER TIME. LOCALLY, OUR BIGGEST

33:43SOURCES OF EMISSIONS ARE

33:45ELECTRICITY. GASOLINE WAS

33:47REFERRED TO AS NATURAL GAS AND

33:49DIESEL. NATURAL GAS IS THE

33:52OUTLIER IN ALL OF OUR TREND

33:53LINES. IT'S THE ONLY MAJOR FUEL

33:55SOURCE WITH EMISSIONS

33:57INCREASING UP 18% SINCE 1990

34:00OVERALL AND 62% IN THE

34:02RESIDENTIAL SECTOR. AND UNLIKE

34:05GASOLINE, THERE'S NO STRONG

34:06MARKET PRESSURE IN THE FORM OF

34:08PRICING THAT'S DRIVING

34:09CONSUMERS AWAY FROM IT.

34:11ADDRESSING THIS WILL BE

34:13ESSENTIAL. SHIFTING BUILDINGS

34:15OFF FOSSIL FUELS WILL TAKE MANY

34:17YEARS, AND BECAUSE EQUIPMENT

34:18LASTS DECADES, THE DECISIONS

34:20THAT WE MAKE NOW MATTERS. I DO

34:23WANT TO LEAVE YOU, HOWEVER,

34:24WITH SOME ENCOURAGING NEWS. A

34:26RECENT ECONOMICS REPORT FROM

34:27CLIMATE MAYORS SHOWS THAT

34:29CITIES COMMITTED TO CLIMATE

34:30ACTION ARE PROVING THAT

34:31ECONOMIC GROWTH AND DECLINING

34:33FOSSIL FUEL USE CAN GO HAND IN

34:35HAND. FROM 2019 TO 2024, THESE

34:40CITIES GREW THEIR GDP BY OVER

34:4211% WHILE REDUCING FOSSIL FUEL

34:44USE PER PERSON BY 3.5%. THAT'S

34:48DIRECTLY SAVING HOUSEHOLDS

34:50ROUGHLY $1,000 A YEAR. AN

34:53ECONOMY DECOUPLED FROM FOSSIL

34:55FUELS IS BOTH POSSIBLE AND

34:57ALREADY EMERGING, AND CITIES

34:59ARE LEADING THE WAY. THANK YOU

35:01FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND

35:02COMMITMENT TO ADDRESSING

35:03CLIMATE CHANGE. I LOOK FORWARD

35:04TO SUPPORTING YOUR CONTINUED

35:06WORK. AND I'M AVAILABLE TO

35:07ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

35:11>> THANK YOU, VIVIEN, AND THANK

35:12YOU. CHAIR AVALOS, VICE CHAIR

35:15GREEN, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF

35:16THE COMMITTEE FOR HAVING ME

35:17TODAY. FOR THE RECORD, I'M JOEY

35:19JORDISON, CO-CHAIR OF THE

35:21SUSTAINABILITY AND CLIMATE

35:22COMMISSION. I'M HERE ON BEHALF

35:23OF THE FULL COMMISSION. ON

35:26AUGUST 28TH, THE COMMISSION

35:27VOTED TO ENDORSE THE CLIMATE

35:28AND HEALTH STANDARDS AND

35:29RECOMMENDS THE COUNCIL ADVANCE

35:31THE POLICY. OUR RECOMMENDATION

35:33LETTER IS IN YOUR PACKET, BUT I

35:35DO HAVE COPIES. IF ANYONE WOULD

35:36LIKE A COPY TODAY. WE DIDN'T

35:39REACH THIS POSITION LIGHTLY OR

35:42QUICKLY. OUR POLICY AND

35:44IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE WAS

35:46BRIEFED IN JULY BY CHAIR AVALOS,

35:48BUREAU OF PLANNING AND

35:49SUSTAINABILITY AND COMMUNITY

35:51PARTNERS. THEN IN. THAN IN

35:53AUGUST, OUR COMMITTEE WENT

35:54THROUGH THE CODE LANGUAGE

35:56SECTION, SECTION BY SECTION.

35:59THEN WE WROTE AN ENDORSEMENT

36:01LETTER WHICH WAS APPROVED BY

36:02THE FULL COMMISSION.

36:04COMMISSIONERS BRING EXPERTISE

36:06IN CLIMATE, HEALTH, HOUSING,

36:08LABOR, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE.

36:10THEY BROUGHT ALL THIS TO THAT

36:12REVIEW AND TO THE ENDORSEMENT

36:13LETTER. SO VIVIAN TALKED ABOUT

36:15WHY BUILDINGS MATTER TO OUR

36:18ADMISSIONS. I WANT TO FOCUS ON

36:19WHAT THIS POLICY MEANS FOR THE

36:21PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN

36:22THESE BUILDINGS. THIS IS

36:25ULTIMATELY A HEALTH POLICY. GAS

36:28APPLIANCES IN HOMES AND

36:29BUILDINGS POLLUTE THE AIR

36:30INDOORS AND OUT, AND WINONA

36:33COUNTY BUILDING GAS USE IS

36:35ESTIMATED TO PRODUCE ABOUT

36:36THREE QUARTERS OF THE NITROGEN

36:37OXIDE POLLUTION OF A GAS

36:39POWERED PLANT. WINTERS OFTEN

36:41HAVE NO SAY IN THE EQUIPMENT

36:43THEY LIVE WITH. WITH THIS

36:45POLICY, RENTERS GET INFORMATION

36:47THEY'VE NEVER HAD ACCESS TO

36:49PREVIOUSLY. BEFORE SIGNING A

36:50LEASE, THEY'LL KNOW LIKELY

36:52UTILITY COSTS, WHETHER THE UNIT

36:54HAS COOLING, WHETHER IT HAS GAS

36:56APPLIANCES AND HOW IT'S

36:58VENTILATED. THIS CLIMATE ACTION

37:01DOESN'T COME AT THE COST OF

37:02HOUSING STABILITY. WHEN

37:04UPGRADES AFFECT OCCUPANCY,

37:06TENANTS GET TEMPORARY HOUSING

37:09ON OR RELOCATION HELP IN A

37:11GUARANTEED RIGHT TO RETURN. THE

37:13COMMISSION SEES THE

37:14COMMODITIZATION AND TENANT

37:15PROTECTION AS ONE GOAL, NOT

37:18COMPETING GOALS. THE COMPLIANCE

37:20TIMELINE IS LONG AND BACKED BY

37:21A CITY PILOT AND AN ECO

37:23NORTHWEST ANALYSIS. REPORTING

37:25TAKES A FEW HOURS IN THE FIRST

37:27YEAR AND LESS AFTER THAT.

37:29BECAUSE OF THIS, LONG RUNWAY,

37:30OWNERS HAVE TIME TO PLAN AND TO

37:33IMPLEMENT, AND RENT INCREASES

37:35AREN'T REALLY EXPECTED. THIS

37:37POLICY COVERS BUILDINGS. THE

37:40STATE BUILDING PERFORMANCE

37:42PROGRAM DOESN'T. THE STATE

37:44STANDARDS STARTS AT 35,000FT.

37:46PORTLAND'S THRESHOLD IS 20,000,

37:48WHICH REACHES MORE OF OUR

37:50MULTIFAMILY HOUSING STOCK. THE

37:52POLICY COMES OUT OF THE

37:54COMMUNITY. IT GREW FROM YEARS

37:56OF WORK LED BY FRONTLINE

37:57COMMUNITIES THROUGH THE HART

37:58CENTER'S COUNCIL CAN CARRY THAT

38:00WORK ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.

38:03THE COMMISSION ALSO HASN'T

38:04ASKED FOR THE FUTURE. THE

38:06PROPOSAL DOES INCLUDE A MAXIMUM

38:07INDOOR TEMPERATURE STANDARD

38:08FROM THE HART STANDARDS. WE

38:10SUPPORT TAKING THAT UP AS A

38:12SEPARATE POLICY AND URGENTLY,

38:13AS A CLIMATE PROJECTIONS

38:16INDICATE, WILL EXPERIENCE

38:17LONGER PERIODS OF DANGEROUS

38:18HIGH HEAT DAYS. THE COMMISSION

38:21WAS CREATED TO GIVE COUNCIL

38:23SPECIFIC, TIMELY AND ACTIONABLE

38:26GUIDANCE. OUR GUIDANCE IS CLEAR.

38:28PLEASE ADVANCE THE CLIMATE AND

38:29HEALTH STANDARDS. THANK YOU.

38:33>> THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR

38:35YOUR WORDS OF WISDOM AND

38:37EXPERTISE. THANK YOU. LET ME

38:40SEE. OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND

38:42MOVE TO THE NEXT PANEL. NEXT WE

38:46HAVE ANDREA HAMBURG,

38:48ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SERVICES

38:49DIRECTOR FOR THE MULTNOMAH

38:50COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. TARYN

38:53EVANS, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE

38:54DIRECTOR FOR THE COALITION OF

38:56COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. AND,

38:57SARAH, I'M GONNA MISPRONOUNCE

38:58YOUR LAST NAME. WALLACE.

39:00WALLACE WALLACH, SARAH WALLACH,

39:03CLIMATE JUSTICE ADVOCATE FOR

39:05COMMUNITY ENERGY PROJECT.

39:07WELCOME.

39:12>> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AVALOS,

39:15CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, GREEN AND

39:16MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. GLAD

39:18TO BE HERE TODAY. I'M ANDREA

39:20HAMBURG. SHE HER. I'M THE

39:22ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SERVICES

39:23DIRECTOR FOR MULTNOMAH COUNTY.

39:25I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE

39:27HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO SHARE OUR

39:29STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE CLIMATE

39:30AND HEALTH STANDARDS BEING

39:31DISCUSSED TODAY. AT ITS CORE,

39:35CLIMATE CHANGE IS A PUBLIC

39:36HEALTH ISSUE. OUR BUILDINGS ARE

39:39A PRIMARY LINE OF DEFENSE, AND

39:41THEY PLAY A CRITICAL ROLE IN

39:42KEEPING VULNERABLE RESIDENTS

39:44SAFE DURING EXTREME WEATHER.

39:47SAFE BUILDINGS PROTECT US FROM

39:49ILLNESS AND PREMATURE DEATH.

39:51BEFORE 2021, DYING FROM EXTREME

39:54HEAT WAS ALMOST UNHEARD OF IN

39:55OUR COUNTY. BUT SINCE THEN,

39:57WE'VE SEEN A CLEAR SPIKE IN

39:59HEAT RELATED ER VISITS,

40:01HOSPITAL STAYS, AND WE'VE LOST

40:03BELOVED MEMBERS OF OUR FAMILIES

40:05AND OUR COMMUNITIES. DURING THE

40:092021 HEAT DOME, NEARLY 80% OF

40:11THOSE WE LOST WERE SENIORS,

40:13OVER 70% OF WHOM LIVED ALONE,

40:15AND 94% DIED IN THEIR OWN HOMES

40:18WITHOUT SUFFICIENT AIR

40:19CONDITIONING. THESE CLIMATE AND

40:22HEALTH STANDARDS ARE A VITAL

40:23STEP TO PREVENT THAT KIND OF

40:24HEARTBREAK FROM HAPPENING AGAIN.

40:28MULTNOMAH COUNTY'S CLIMATE

40:29JUSTICE CLIMATE JUSTICE PLAN IS

40:31A TEN YEAR ROADMAP TO LOWER

40:33EMISSIONS AND PROTECT FRONTLINE

40:35COMMUNITIES. STRATEGY FIVE,

40:37WHICH IS SUPPORTING THE HEALTH,

40:39WELL-BEING AND STABILITY OF

40:40HOUSEHOLDS THAT RENT, INCLUDES

40:42CLEAR SUPPORT FOR THESE

40:44STANDARDS. IT WAS INCLUDED AS A

40:47RESULT OF INPUT AND FEEDBACK

40:48GATHERED DURING SEVERAL YEARS

40:50OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH

40:52CLIMATE LEADERS AND PARTNERS

40:53THAT SERVE ENVIRONMENTAL

40:55JUSTICE COMMUNITIES HERE IN

40:56MULTNOMAH COUNTY. UPGRADING OUR

41:00BUILDINGS ENSURES RENTERS HAVE

41:02RELIABLE COOLING AND CLEAN AIR

41:04DURING HEAT WAVES AND WILDFIRE

41:05SMOKE EVENTS, AND GIVING

41:07TENANTS CLEAR INFORMATION ABOUT

41:09COOLING, VENTILATION, GAS,

41:12APPLIANCES AND ENERGY COSTS

41:14EMPOWERS THEM TO TAKE ACTIONS

41:15TO PROTECT THEIR HEALTH. OUR

41:18ROLE AT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT

41:19IS TO TRACK HEALTH, HEALTH

41:21RISKS, RISKS, STAND UP FOR

41:23IMPACTED COMMUNITIES AND

41:25PREVENT ILLNESS BEFORE IT

41:26STARTS. THIS ORDINANCE OPENS UP

41:28A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE

41:30CITY AND THE COUNTY TO WORK

41:31CLOSELY TOGETHER ON PUBLIC

41:33HEALTH AND CLIMATE. LOOKING

41:36AHEAD, THESE STANDARDS ARE

41:38FANTASTIC STARTING POINT. WHILE

41:40GATHERING DATA ON COOLING IS

41:42IMPORTANT, WHAT REALLY MATTERS

41:43FOR HEALTH IS WHETHER A HOME

41:45MAINTAINS A SAFE TEMPERATURE

41:46WHEN IT'S DANGEROUSLY HOT

41:48OUTSIDE. AS THIS WORK MOVES

41:50FORWARD, WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE

41:52THE CITY TO LOOK AT SETTING

41:54CLEAR INDOOR TEMPERATURE

41:55STANDARDS AIMED DIRECTLY AT

41:57SAVING LIVES. CLIMATE HAZARDS

42:00DON'T CARE ABOUT CITY OR COUNTY

42:02LINES, AND OUR RESPONSE

42:03SHOULDN'T EITHER. WE'RE EXCITED

42:05TO PARTNER WITH YOU ON

42:08IMPLEMENTATION AND KEEPING AND

42:09KEEP BUILDING THE CONNECTION

42:10BETWEEN CLIMATE POLICY, HOUSING,

42:12AND PUBLIC HEALTH. THANK YOU.

42:19>> GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCILORS.

42:21>> MY NAME IS TARYN EVANS. I'M

42:22THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE

42:24DIRECTOR AT THE COALITION OF

42:25COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. AND I'M

42:27HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE WORK

42:28THAT WENT INTO DEVELOPING THE

42:29CLIMATE AND HEALTH STANDARDS.

42:31THESE STANDARDS ARE A

42:33CULMINATION OF YEARS OF DEEP

42:34COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH THE

42:36COMMUNITIES MOST IMPACTED BY

42:37CLIMATE CHANGE. IN 2020, THE

42:39BUILD SHIFT TEAM WAS FORMED

42:40THROUGH A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN

42:42C.C.C. AND VERDE, BRINGING

42:43TOGETHER COMMUNITY BASED

42:45ORGANIZATIONS AND BIPOC

42:46COMMUNITY LEADERS TO HELP SHAPE

42:48WHAT EQUITABLE BUILDING POLICY

42:49COULD LOOK LIKE IN PORTLAND.

42:52THE PROCESS BEGAN WITH

42:53ACKNOWLEDGING PAST HARMS AND

42:54WORKING TO BUILD TRUST BETWEEN

42:55THE CITY AND COMMUNITY. THE

42:58PROCESS ALSO BEGAN WITH VALUES

42:59INSTEAD OF TECHNICAL POLICY.

43:01COMMUNITY MEMBERS SHARED ABOUT

43:02THE VALUES THAT THEY WANTED THE

43:04CITY TO HOLD IN THE PROCESS.

43:06THESE VALUES INCLUDED THINGS

43:07LIKE JUSTICE, EQUITY, HEALTH,

43:09AND SAFETY. FROM THIS

43:11FOUNDATION, WE WORK TO DEVELOP

43:13A POLICY THAT WAS ROOTED IN

43:14THESE ELEMENTS. WE ALSO STARTED

43:17IN A WAY THAT WAS DEEPLY

43:18CONNECTED TO EVERYDAY

43:20EXPERIENCE. WE STARTED WITH

43:21BUILDING TRUST BETWEEN

43:22COMMUNITY AND GOVERNMENT, BUT

43:23ALSO BY MEETING PEOPLE WHERE

43:24THEY WERE. WE DIDN'T BEGIN

43:27CONVERSATIONS TALKING ABOUT

43:28WONKY TERMS LIKE BUILDING

43:30DECARBONIZATION. WE STARTED BY

43:32TALKING TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS

43:33ABOUT WHAT BUILDINGS THEY LOVED

43:35AND WHAT WERE THE

43:36CHARACTERISTICS OF THOSE

43:37BUILDINGS. THIS HELPED US

43:39UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE VALUED

43:40IN THE PLACES WHERE THEY LIVE,

43:41WORK, AND GATHER. PEOPLE TALKED

43:43ABOUT BUILDINGS THAT FELT SAFE,

43:45HEALTHY, AND COMFORTABLE.

43:48SHORTLY AFTER THIS PROCESS

43:49BEGAN, THE PANDEMIC,

43:51DEVASTATING WILDFIRES AND THE

43:532021 HEAT DOME ALL SHAPED THE

43:55CONTEXT FOR THIS WORK. THESE

43:57EVENTS MADE EVEN CLEARER THAT

43:59CLIMATE, HOUSING AND HEALTH ARE

44:00DEEPLY CONNECTED. THEY ALSO

44:02INFORMED HOW WE APPROACH POLICY

44:04DEVELOPMENT. THE WORK COULD NOT

44:06JUST BE ABOUT TECHNICAL

44:07STANDARDS OR EMISSIONS

44:08REDUCTIONS. IT HAD TO BE ABOUT

44:09THE CONDITIONS PEOPLE WERE

44:11EXPERIENCING IN REAL TIME.

44:12UNHEALTHY HAIR, EXTREME HEAT,

44:15HIGH ENERGY COST, HOUSING

44:17INSTABILITY, AND THE UNEQUAL

44:18IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE. ONE

44:21OF OUR EARLY COMMUNITY

44:22WORKSHOPS WAS ABOUT ENERGY

44:23BURDEN. ENERGY BURDEN IS THE

44:25PERCENTAGE OF YOUR INCOME THAT

44:26YOU SPEND ON ENERGY BILLS. WE

44:29HAD COMMUNITY MEMBERS BRING

44:30THEIR ENERGY BILLS AND USE AN

44:32ENERGY BURDEN CALCULATOR TO

44:33DETERMINE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE

44:35INCOME THAT WENT TO THEIR

44:36UTILITY BILLS. WE FOUND THAT

44:38MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAD

44:40EXTREMELY HIGH ENERGY BURDEN.

44:42WE ALSO HEARD ABOUT THE TOUGH

44:44CHOICES THAT MANY COMMUNITY

44:45MEMBERS FACE, SUCH AS CHOOSING

44:46TO PAY ENERGY BILLS OR FOR

44:48MEDICATION AND GROCERIES. THESE

44:50ARE CHOICES THAT PEOPLE SHOULD

44:51NEVER HAVE TO MAKE. WE HAD A

44:54COMMUNITY CONVENING AFTER THE

44:552021 HEAT DOME, AN EVENT THAT

44:57CLEARLY DEMONSTRATED THE

44:58IMMEDIATE IMPACTS THAT CLIMATE

45:00CHANGE IS ALREADY HAVING ON OUR

45:01COMMUNITIES. IN ADDITION TO

45:03COMMUNITY MEMBERS SHARING

45:04STORIES OF NOT HAVING ACCESS TO

45:06AIR CONDITIONING, WE ALSO HEARD

45:08ANOTHER STORY OF COMMUNITY

45:09MEMBERS WHO DID HAVE AIR

45:10CONDITIONING BUT WERE AFRAID TO

45:11USE IT BECAUSE OF THE COSTS

45:13ASSOCIATED WITH USING IT. WHEN

45:15BUILDINGS LACK PROPER

45:16INSULATION AND CEILING, AND

45:18WHEN THEY ARE EXPENSIVE TO HEAT

45:19AND COOL, PEOPLE CAN STILL BE

45:20LEFT IN A POSITION WHERE THEY

45:22TECHNICALLY HAVE ACCESS TO

45:23COOLING BUT DO NOT FEEL LIKE

45:25THEY CAN AFFORD TO USE IT.

45:27SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE

45:28THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS WAS TO

45:30CONNECT IT TO LIVED EXPERIENCE

45:31OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS. TOO OFTEN,

45:33CLIMATE POLICY CAN BE FOCUSED

45:35ON TECHNICAL ASPECTS AND

45:37REDUCTIONS WITHOUT CENTERING

45:38THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IMPACTED.

45:40COMMUNITY MEMBERS RAISE ISSUES

45:42AROUND ENERGY BURDEN, HEALTH,

45:43INDOOR AIR QUALITY,

45:45AFFORDABILITY AND DISPLACEMENT.

45:47THOSE ISSUES BECAME CENTRAL TO

45:49HOW THE STANDARDS WERE

45:50DEVELOPED. THEY HELPED SHAPE A

45:52POLICY APPROACH THAT IS

45:53CENTERED ON MAKING SURE THAT

45:55RENTERS HAVE BETTER INFORMATION,

45:56THAT HEALTH RISKS ARE MORE

45:58VISIBLE, AND THAT DISPLACEMENT

45:59PRESSURES ARE ADDRESSED. FROM

46:01THERE, THESE STANDARDS PROVIDE

46:03A TARGETED PATH TOWARD BUILDING

46:05DECARBONIZATION THAT MEETS THE

46:06CITY'S GOAL OF GETTING TO NET

46:07ZERO CARBON EMISSIONS BY 2050.

46:09THEY PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY FOR

46:11RENTERS ABOUT UTILITY COSTS AND

46:13INDOOR AIR QUALITY RISKS, SO

46:14THEY CAN MAKE INFORMED

46:16DECISIONS ABOUT WHERE TO LIVE.

46:18THIS PROCESS SHOWED THAT WHEN

46:19WE BEGIN WITH TRUST, VALUES AND

46:21LIVED EXPERIENCE, WE CAN

46:22DEVELOP CLIMATE POLICY THAT

46:23RESPONDS TO WHAT COMMUNITIES

46:24ARE ACTUALLY FACING. I URGE THE

46:26COMMITTEE TO SUPPORT THIS WORK

46:28AND MOVE THE CLIMATE AND HEALTH

46:29STANDARDS FORWARD. THANK YOU.

46:33>> GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCILORS.

46:35MY NAME IS SARAH WALLACH AND I

46:36AM A CLIMATE JUSTICE ADVOCATE

46:38AT COMMUNITY ENERGY PROJECT.

46:39COMMUNITY ENERGY PROJECT

46:41PARTNERS WITH LOW INCOME

46:42COMMUNITIES ON THE FRONT LINES

46:44OF CLIMATE CHANGE TO CREATE

46:45MORE RESILIENT, EFFICIENT AND

46:46HEALTHY HOMES. SEEP TRANSFORMS

46:49HOMES, SHARE SKILLS AND

46:50COMMUNITY WISDOM, AND ADVOCATES

46:52FOR ENERGY JUSTICE. WE BELIEVE

46:54THAT ACHIEVING CLIMATE JUSTICE

46:56REQUIRES ACCESSIBLE,

46:57SUSTAINABLE ENERGY SOLUTIONS

46:58THAT DELIVER ECONOMIC, HEALTH

47:00AND SOCIAL BENEFITS TO THOSE

47:01MOST IMPACTED. SEP RECOGNIZES

47:04THROUGH OUR CLIENTS THAT LOW

47:05INCOME FAMILIES MOST OFTEN LIVE

47:07IN EFFICIENT HOUSING, WITH

47:09RENTERS OFTEN NOT HAVING MUCH

47:11AUTONOMY OVER THE SYSTEMS IN

47:12PLACE WITHIN THEIR UNITS. BY

47:15IMPLEMENTING A CODE LIKE THIS,

47:16THESE FAMILIES CAN BENEFIT

47:17GREATLY FROM CARBON EMISSIONS

47:20REDUCTIONS AND ENERGY

47:21EFFICIENCY. HERE AT COMMUNITY

47:23ENERGY PROJECT, WE OFTEN WORK

47:24WITH RENTERS IN DIY FRIENDLY

47:27EDUCATIONAL WORKSHOPS. HOWEVER,

47:29THAT IS NOT A HOLISTIC SOLUTION.

47:31RENTERS DESERVE TO BE ABLE TO

47:32HAVE ENERGY EFFICIENCY REPAIRS

47:34AND UPGRADES WITHIN THEIR

47:36MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES. THROUGH

47:37OUR COMBINED EDUCATION AND HOME

47:39ENERGY SAVING UPGRADES AND

47:41REPAIRS PROGRAMS, WE HAVE SEEN

47:43THE EFFECTS OF WHAT THESE

47:44UPGRADES MEAN TO FAMILIES AND

47:45THE SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS AND

47:46HEALTH IMPACTS OUR CLIENTS, WHO

47:48HAVE UPGRADED FROM GAS FURNACES

47:51TO HEAT PUMPS AND HAVE HAD

47:53WEATHERIZATION SERVICES

47:54PERFORMED, HAVE SAVED UPWARDS

47:56OF $1,000 ANNUALLY. THOUGH THIS

47:58RESEARCH WAS MODELED OFF OF

47:59SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, IT SHOWS

48:01HOW ELECTRIC AND EFFICIENT

48:02COOLING AND HEATING SYSTEMS CAN

48:04HAVE AN EFFECT ON ENERGY BURDEN,

48:06AS WELL AS ENERGY INSECURITY IN

48:08GENERAL. SUCH MEASURES CAN ALSO

48:10OFFER RENTERS GREATER FINANCIAL

48:12STABILITY, BETTER HEALTH

48:13OUTCOMES AND IMPROVED COMFORT

48:15IN THEIR OWN HOMES. WE ALSO

48:17WANT TO NOTE THAT GAS

48:18APPLIANCES CONTRIBUTE TO INDOOR

48:20AIR POLLUTION, WHICH IS

48:22INCREASINGLY LINKED TO ASTHMA,

48:23RESPIRATORY ILLNESSES AND OTHER

48:25LONG TERM HEALTH IMPACTS. FOR

48:27MANY FAMILIES, ESPECIALLY THOSE

48:29WITH YOUNG KIDS. THIS HEALTH

48:30RISK ADDS AN ADDITIONAL

48:31STRESSOR TO A HOUSEHOLD.

48:33IMPLEMENTING A CODE LIKE THIS

48:34MEANS THAT THE HEALTH, SAFETY,

48:36AND LIVELIHOODS OF OUR CLIENTS

48:37WOULD INCREASE. WE NEED TO

48:39ACKNOWLEDGE ALSO THAT ENERGY

48:40COSTS HAVE BEEN GOING UP, FROM

48:42RISING RATE COSTS TO THE

48:43IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE. WE

48:45NEED TO THINK ABOUT ENERGY

48:47USAGE AND HOW WE MAKE OUR HOMES

48:48MORE EFFICIENT. THIS LEAVES LOW

48:51INCOME COMMUNITIES WITH THE

48:52HARSH REALITY OF EITHER HAVING

48:54TO CONSUME TOO MUCH ELECTRICITY

48:56AND HAVING A BILL THEY CANNOT

48:57AFFORD, OR MAKING UNSAFE ENERGY,

48:59LIMITING CHOICES TO SAVE MONEY.

49:02WE URGE THE COUNCILORS TO

49:03SUPPORT THIS POLICY, AS IT

49:04HELPS ENSURE RENTERS IN

49:06PORTLAND HAVE ACCESS TO SAFE,

49:07HEALTHY AND EFFICIENT HOMES.

49:09THANK YOU.

49:12>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. BEFORE I

49:15BRING UP THE NEXT PANEL, I JUST

49:17WANTED TO NOTE, BECAUSE IT'S

49:18COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES, THAT

49:20ONE OF THE BIG PARTS OF THE

49:22HEART POLICY CONCEPT WAS THE

49:24INDOOR TEMPERATURE STANDARDS.

49:26WE ARE NOT ADDRESSING THAT IN

49:27THIS POLICY, BUT IT IS NEXT ON

49:29THE POLICY LIST. SO JUST SO THE

49:32PUBLIC KNOWS, THAT IS

49:33ABSOLUTELY OF INTEREST TO MY

49:34OFFICE. IT'S A COMPONENT OF THE

49:36WORK THAT THE COMMUNITY DID.

49:37WE'RE CHOOSING THIS ACTION TO

49:39TAKE THAT ACTION IS FAR MORE

49:42COMPLICATED. AND AS SOMEBODY

49:43WHO WORKED AT AN ORGANIZATION

49:45WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR RIGHT TO

49:46COOLING BILLS IN THE

49:47LEGISLATURE. THERE'S LOTS OF

49:48OTHER LAYERS TO THAT, BUT JUST

49:49WANT TO NAME THAT BECAUSE IT IS

49:51GOING TO KEEP COMING UP. IT IS

49:53A GENUINE HEALTH CONCERN. IT'S

49:54SOMETHING I THINK THE CITY

49:55SHOULD DO AND FLAGGING FOR A

49:57COMMUNITY THAT ONE, WE WANT TO

49:59TALK ABOUT IT. AND TWO, IF YOU

50:01HAVE IDEAS, BRING THEM ON BY.

50:03LASTLY, I AM VERY EXCITED TO

50:05WELCOME OUR NATIONAL GUEST

50:06PANELISTS WHO ARE JOINING US

50:08ONLINE. SO WE'VE GOT RAJIV, WHO

50:10IS DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AND

50:12UTILITY ENGAGEMENT FOR THE

50:13INSTITUTE OF MARKET

50:15TRANSFORMATION, AND QUINTON,

50:16WHO IS THE POLICY DIRECTOR FOR

50:17RUN ON CLIMATE AND A FORMER

50:19CITY COUNCIL MEMBER OF

50:20CAMBRIDGE, MASSACHUSETTS.

50:23WELCOME. AND WHOEVER WOULD LIKE

50:26TO KICK US OFF, MAYBE. RAJEEV.

50:30>> SURE. I'M HAPPY TO. AND I'M

50:31GUESSING I NORMALLY DON'T. I'M

50:34NO CHER. I DON'T JUST GO BY

50:36RAJIV. I'M GUESSING THAT WAS A

50:37NOD TO NOT MESSING UP MY LAST

50:39NAME. SO MY LAST NAME IS RAVEL

50:41FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU,

50:43COUNCIL MEMBER ARVELO. I'LL BE

50:46BRIEF WITH MY COMMENTS. SO

50:49THANK YOU, CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE

50:51COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS RAJIV

50:52RAVEL. AS A COUNCIL MEMBER SAID,

50:55I'M WITH THE INSTITUTE FOR

50:56MARKET TRANSFORMATION, ALSO

50:57KNOWN AS IMT. I SERVE AS OUR

50:59DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AND

51:00UTILITY ENGAGEMENT. IMT IS A

51:03NATIONAL NONPROFIT, AND WE WORK

51:05WITH GOVERNMENTS, BUILDING

51:05OWNERS AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS

51:07ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO IMPROVE

51:09BUILDING PERFORMANCE, AND WE

51:11HAVE PREVIOUSLY ADVISED AND

51:13WORKED WITH THE CITY OF

51:14PORTLAND'S BUREAU OF PLANNING

51:15AND SUSTAINABILITY ON THEIR

51:17BENCHMARKING ORDINANCE AND BTS.

51:19SO THE REASON I HAVE BEEN ASKED

51:22TO PRESENT TODAY IS TO OFFER

51:23THREE PERSPECTIVES ONE, WHY

51:26BUILDING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS

51:27MATTER. TWO, WHAT ARE WE SEEING

51:30NATIONALLY? AND THREE, HOW

51:31PORTLAND'S PROPOSAL COMPARES

51:33WITH BEST PRACTICES. SO FIRST,

51:36WHY BUILDING PERFORMANCE

51:37STANDARDS? FIRST OFF, CLIMATE

51:40COMMITMENTS NEED A PRACTICAL

51:41STRATEGY FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS.

51:43BUILDING CODES PRIMARILY

51:45ADDRESS NEW CONSTRUCTION AND

51:47RENOVATIONS. INCENTIVES HELP

51:48OWNERS INVEST. BENCHMARKING

51:49MAKES ENERGY USE VISIBLE,

51:51BUILDING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS

51:52AT A CLEAR EXPECTATION THAT

51:54EXISTING BUILDINGS IMPROVE OVER

51:56TIME. THAT EXPECTATION HELPS

51:59AND HELPS OWNERS INCORPORATE

52:02IMPROVEMENTS INTO CAPITAL

52:03PLANNING, EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT

52:04AND EVERYDAY OPERATIONS. THE

52:06GOVERNMENT ESTABLISHES THE

52:08OUTCOMES AND THE TIMELINE,

52:09WHILE OWNERS IDENTIFY SOLUTIONS

52:11APPROPRIATE TO THEIR BUILDINGS.

52:13THE PUBLIC VALUE EXTENDS BEYOND

52:15CARBON REDUCTIONS. BETTER

52:16BUILDING PERFORMANCE CAN REDUCE

52:18WASTED ENERGY AND SUPPORT

52:20COMFORT AND AFFORDABILITY.

52:21PORTLAND'S APPROACH ALSO

52:23RECOGNIZES THAT BUILDING

52:24IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD PROTECT

52:26PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THOSE

52:27BUILDINGS. SECONDLY, WHAT IS

52:30HAPPENING, HAPPENING NATIONALLY?

52:32ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MY

52:33ORGANIZATION TRACKS EARLY

52:35IMPLEMENTATION RESULTS ARE

52:37ENCOURAGING. THE FIRST VANGUARD

52:39OF BTS WERE ONLY PASSED IN THE

52:41LATE 20 TENS, EARLY 2020S. THE

52:44FIRST BTS THAT WAS PASSED WAS

52:47IN 2018 BY WASHINGTON, DC. SO

52:50FROM THE EARLY IMPLEMENTATION

52:51RESULTS, THEY ARE ENCOURAGING.

52:53ALTHOUGH WE SHOULD DISTINGUISH

52:54REPORTING PARTICIPATION FROM

52:56ACTUAL PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENTS.

52:58SO WHAT I HAVE TO OFFER IS NEW

53:00YORK CITY THE BIGGEST MARKET IN

53:03THE COUNTRY, THE BIGGEST

53:04JURISDICTION WITH A BTS

53:06REPORTED THAT APPROXIMATELY 93%

53:08OF COVERED PRIVATELY OWNED

53:10PROPERTIES SUBMITTED THEIR

53:12FIRST LOCAL LAW, 97 COMPLIANCE

53:14REPORTS AND LOCAL LAW 97 IS

53:16THEIR BTS PROGRAM THAT NOT THAT

53:19NINE. THAT 93% DEMONSTRATES THE

53:22PARTICIPATION AT SCALE IN A

53:24LARGE, COMPLEX REAL ESTATE

53:26MARKET. IT DOES NOT MEAN EVERY

53:27BUILDING HAS COMPLETED THE

53:29IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED FOR FUTURE

53:31TARGETS. TO BE CLEAR,

53:33WASHINGTON, DC PROVIDES

53:34EVIDENCE OF ACTUAL ENERGY

53:36IMPROVEMENTS. A PRELIMINARY

53:37ANALYSIS OF APPROXIMATELY 360

53:41MULTIFAMILY OFFICE AND HOTEL

53:42BUILDINGS THAT INITIALLY FELL

53:44BELOW THE STANDARD FOUND

53:46AVERAGE ENERGY INTENSITY

53:48REDUCTIONS OF ABOUT 13% BETWEEN

53:522019 AND 2024. ADJUSTING FOR

53:53WEATHER AND OPERATING

53:54CONDITIONS, THAT IS MEANINGFUL

53:56PROGRESS BEFORE THE COMPLIANCE

53:58CYCLE EVEN ENDS. THOUGH IT'S

53:59NOT A FINAL COMPLIANCE

54:01DETERMINATION, DENVER AND

54:02WASHINGTON STATE OFFER ANOTHER

54:04LESSON JURISDICTIONS CAN ADAPT

54:06TIMELINES AND COMPLIANCE

54:08COMPLIANCE PATHWAYS TO

54:09PRACTICAL CONSTRAINTS WHILE

54:11CONTINUING IMPLEMENTATION.

54:12EFFECTIVE FLEXIBILITY MAINTAINS

54:14CLEAR OBLIGATIONS AND

54:16MEASURABLE PROGRESS. AND THIRD,

54:18HOW DOES PORTLAND'S PROPOSAL

54:21COMPARE? SEVERAL ELEMENTS ALIGN

54:23WELL WITH SOUND POLICY DESIGN.

54:25I THINK THE THE DRAFT CURRENTLY

54:27ESTABLISHED A CLEAR EMISSIONS

54:29TRAJECTORY THROUGH 2050 ANNUAL

54:32REPORTING AND INDEPENDENT

54:34VERIFICATION. IT'S AGGREGATED

54:35UTILITY DATA PROVISIONS ADDRESS

54:37A FUNDAMENTAL PREREQUISITE.

54:39OWNERS NEED WHOLE BUILDING

54:40INFORMATION WITHOUT PLAYING.

54:41PLACING UNNECESSARY BURDENS ON

54:44TENANTS. IT ALSO INCLUDES

54:45CONCRETE DISPLACEMENT

54:48ANTI-DISPLACEMENT PROTECTIONS,

54:49RESTRICTIONS ON PASSING

54:50COMPLIANCE COSTS TO RESIDENTIAL

54:53TENANTS, AND PERIODIC REVIEW OF

54:54TENANT IMPACTS AND ELECTRIC

54:56SYSTEM CAPACITY. THOSE ARE ALL

54:58IMPORTANT KEY PARTS OF

55:00IMPLEMENTATION. THE LAST THE

55:02THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO END

55:04IN IS ON SUGGESTIONS FOR

55:06POTENTIAL TECHNICAL REFINEMENTS

55:09OR CONSIDERATIONS. ONE, MAKE

55:11SURE THE REQUIREMENTS ARE

55:13ACTIONABLE EARLY. THE DRAFT

55:15USES A 2027 OR 2028 BASELINE

55:18AND EVALUATES FIRST PERFORMANCE

55:19IN THE CALENDAR YEAR 2030.

55:21PUBLISHING RULES, IMPLEMENTING

55:23RULES AND EMISSION CALCULATION

55:25METHODS, AND BUILDING SPECIFIC

55:27TARGETS EARLY ENOUGH FOR OWNERS

55:29TO PLAN, FINANCE AND EXECUTE

55:31PROJECTS. SO HAVING THAT

55:32UPFRONT, CLEAR CRITERIA FOR THE

55:34EXISTING ALTERNATIVE BASELINE

55:36PROVISION WILL RECOGNIZE EARLY

55:38INVESTMENTS AND ENCOURAGE EARLY

55:39ADOPTION, WHICH IS KEY FOR ANY

55:41BTS. SECOND, MAKE FLEXIBILITY

55:44AVAILABLE WHERE IT CAN DELIVER

55:46RESULTS. I THINK THE DRAFT

55:47ALREADY PROVIDES EXTENSIONS AND

55:50EXEMPTIONS FOR DOCUMENTED

55:52CONSTRAINTS. IT'S JUST A MATTER

55:53OF CONSIDER MAKING THE PATHWAYS

55:56AVAILABLE TO OTHER BUILDINGS

55:57WITH LEGITIMATE CONSTRAINTS,

55:59WITH ENFORCEABLE MILESTONES AND

56:01A CLEAR END POINT, A PLAN CAN

56:03ACCOMMODATE EQUIPMENT

56:04REPLACEMENT CYCLES WHILE

56:05KEEPING IMPROVEMENTS MOVING.

56:07AND THIRD, THIS GOES TO ANY

56:09JURISDICTION THAT IMT HELPS

56:11ADVISE FUNDING IMPLEMENTATION

56:14RELIABLY, SO DIRECTING

56:16POLLUTION IMPACT FEES TOWARD

56:17RETROFIT ASSISTANCE IS USEFUL.

56:20IT IS NOTABLE TO SAY THAT FEE

56:22REVENUE DEPENDS ON BUILDINGS

56:24FALLING SHORT OF THEIR TARGETS,

56:26SO CORE STAFFING AND OWNER

56:27SUPPORT NEEDS THAT KIND OF

56:29DEPENDABLE FUNDING, INCLUDING

56:31BEFORE FEES ARE COLLECTED. SO

56:33THE ALSO THE 7% ADMINISTRATIVE

56:35CAP. WE DO LIKE THAT AND

56:38RECOMMEND THAT. AND AS ACTUAL

56:40IMPLEMENTATION NEEDS HAPPEN,

56:41SHOULD THE POLICY PASS, IT IS

56:43GOOD TO GUT CHECK THAT

56:45ADMINISTRATIVE CAP WHILE ACTUAL

56:47IMPLEMENTATION PROCEEDS. AGAIN,

56:49IF THE POLICY PROCEEDS AS

56:51FORWARD. LASTLY, THROUGHOUT

56:53IMPLEMENTATION, COORDINATE WITH

56:54THE STATE OF OREGON'S PROGRAM

56:56SO OWNERS CAN REUSE DATA AND

56:57TECHNICAL WORK WHERE POSSIBLE.

56:59SO IN CLOSING, PORTLAND HAS A

57:00STRONG FOUNDATION. IT HAS CLEAR

57:03REQUIREMENTS, ACCOUNTABLE

57:04FLEXIBILITY AND SUSTAINED

57:05SUPPORT CAN TURN THIS ORDINANCE

57:07INTO A PRACTICAL INVESTMENT

57:09FRAMEWORK THAT IMPROVES

57:11BUILDINGS WHILE ALSO PROTECTING

57:12HOUSING STABILITY. THANK YOU

57:16FOR YOUR TIME.

57:18>> THANK YOU RAJIV. GO AHEAD

57:20QUENTIN.

57:22>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

57:24MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY

57:26NAME IS QUENTIN ZONDERVAN. AS

57:30NOTED, I AM THE POLICY DIRECTOR

57:31AT RONAN CLIMATE. AND PRIOR TO

57:34THAT, I SERVED SIX YEARS ON THE

57:36CAMBRIDGE CITY COUNCIL IN

57:38MASSACHUSETTS, WHERE WE OFTEN

57:40LOOKED TO PORTLAND FOR SOME OF

57:43OUR CLIMATE POLICIES. AND I'M

57:47HAPPY TO REPORT THAT IN

57:50CAMBRIDGE WE WERE ABLE TO ADOPT

57:51A BUILDING PERFORMANCE STANDARD

57:54IN 2023, WHEN I WAS STILL IN

57:55THE COUNCIL, WHERE I LED THAT

57:58EFFORT. AND I WILL NOTE THAT

58:03INITIALLY THE PROPOSED

58:05ORDINANCE WAS SCHEDULING

58:09EMISSIONS TO REACH NET ZERO BY

58:122050 FOR ALL THE COVERED

58:14PROPERTIES, AND MYSELF AND

58:18SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES AT THE

58:20TIME STRONGLY ADVOCATED FOR A

58:23SHORTER TIMELINE OF 2035 FOR

58:26THE BIGGEST BUILDINGS BECAUSE

58:28THOSE BUILDINGS WERE

58:30CONTRIBUTING THE MAJORITY OF

58:32EMISSIONS, AND WE DID NOT THINK

58:34IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO WAIT

58:36UNTIL 2050 FOR THOSE BUILDINGS

58:38TO REACH ZERO. BUT IN THAT

58:42PROCESS, WE DID ENCOUNTER SOME

58:45OPPOSITION, PRIMARILY FROM THE

58:47UNIVERSITIES HARVARD AND MIT,

58:49AND ALSO THE VERY STRONG AND

58:51SUCCESSFUL BIOTECH SECTOR IN

58:54CAMBRIDGE. AND SO THAT STARTED

58:57A PROCESS OF NEGOTIATION THAT

58:58TOOK A COUPLE OF YEARS TO

59:00RESOLVE. BUT ULTIMATELY, WE

59:02WERE SUCCESSFUL IN REQUIRING

59:06THE LARGEST BUILDINGS OVER

59:08100,000FT TO REDUCE THEIR

59:10EMISSIONS TO ZERO BY 2035. AND

59:13THE WAY WE GOT THERE WAS

59:15THROUGH A LOT OF THE

59:17FLEXIBILITY THAT RAJIV WAS

59:20HIGHLIGHTING, WHICH ALLOWS THE

59:22BUILDING OWNERS, THE PROPERTY

59:24OWNERS, TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL IN

59:29AS FLEXIBLE A WAY AS POSSIBLE.

59:32SO WE TRIED NOT TO BE OVERLY

59:34PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT HOW THEY GOT

59:35THERE, BUT MADE SURE THAT THEY

59:38HAD TO GET THERE. SO ONE

59:40MECHANISM THAT WE INCLUDED WAS

59:43A CAMPUS MECHANISM WHERE THEY

59:46COULD COMBINE SEVERAL BUILDINGS

59:49TO REPORT THEIR EMISSIONS

59:51REDUCTIONS, AND THIS ALLOWS

59:52THEM TO FLEXIBLY WORK ON THEIR

59:56ENTIRE BUILDING PORTFOLIO,

59:58RATHER THAN HAVING TO TRACK AND

1:00:00REPORT ON INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS.

1:00:03PROGRESS ON ACHIEVING ZERO

1:00:05EMISSIONS. THE OTHER PIECE THAT

1:00:09WE NEGOTIATED WAS TO ALLOW, IN

1:00:11A VERY LIMITED WAY, VERY

1:00:15STRICTLY APPROVED CARBON

1:00:17CREDITS IN A VERY LIMITED WAY

1:00:21AFTER 2035. SO THAT PRIMARILY,

1:00:26AND THIS WAS ONLY AVAILABLE TO

1:00:27THE LARGEST BUILDINGS, WHICH

1:00:29AGAIN, IS PRIMARILY HARVARD AND

1:00:31MIT. THIS ALLOWED THEM TO

1:00:37OFFSET THEIR HARDEST TO

1:00:39ELIMINATE EMISSIONS FOR A, YOU

1:00:44KNOW, REDUCING PERIOD OF TIME

1:00:46AFTER 2035. BUT ULTIMATELY,

1:00:49THEY HAD TO STOP USING THOSE

1:00:51CARBON CREDITS BY 2050 AS WELL.

1:00:55SO THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF

1:00:57EXAMPLES OF FLEXIBILITY THAT WE

1:00:58INTRODUCED IN IN THE ORDINANCE

1:01:01IN CAMBRIDGE TO WORK WITH OUR

1:01:05LARGEST POLLUTERS IN, IN THE

1:01:07CITY AND IN CAMBRIDGE, OVER 80%

1:01:10OF OUR EMISSIONS CAME FROM

1:01:14BUILDINGS. SO THIS PROVISION

1:01:17WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR

1:01:19GOALS OF ELIMINATING OUR

1:01:22CLIMATE CHANGE INDUCING

1:01:24EMISSIONS. AND NOW AT RUN ON

1:01:28CLIMATE, WE WORK TO SUPPORT

1:01:30POLICY MAKERS LIKE YOURSELF

1:01:31ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN PASSING

1:01:34SIMILAR POLICIES. AND WHAT WE

1:01:36FIND IS THAT MOST CITIES ARE

1:01:39NOT ABLE TO ACHIEVE THEIR

1:01:40CLIMATE GOALS WITHOUT BUILDING

1:01:43PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. AND SO

1:01:45YOU ARE ALREADY ON THE RIGHT

1:01:47PATH, AND WE STRONGLY SUPPORT

1:01:50YOUR EFFORT AND ENCOURAGE YOU

1:01:52TO MOVE THIS LEGISLATION

1:01:54FORWARD AND TO ADOPT IT. AND WE

1:01:57STAND AT THE READY TO ASSIST

1:01:58YOU. UNLIKE OUR COLLEAGUES AT

1:02:02IMT, WE ARE NOT TECHNICAL

1:02:05BUILDING EXPERTS. WE BRING A

1:02:09NETWORK OF POLICY MAKERS ACROSS

1:02:10THE COUNTRY WHO HAVE, WHO HAVE

1:02:12OR ARE WORKING ON SIMILAR

1:02:14POLICIES, AND WE BRING THAT

1:02:17LIVED EXPERIENCE OF HAVING

1:02:20IMPLEMENTED THESE POLICIES IN

1:02:21DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES ACROSS

1:02:22THE COUNTRY SO THAT YOU CAN

1:02:25COMPARE NOTES AND LEARN FROM

1:02:28SOME OF THE ON THE GROUND

1:02:31LESSONS THAT ARE BEING LEARNED

1:02:34OVER TIME AS THESE POLICIES ARE

1:02:36BEING IMPLEMENTED. CAMBRIDGE

1:02:40ADOPTED THE POLICY IN 23, AND

1:02:42THEN THE FIRST COMPLIANCE

1:02:44PERIOD FOR THESE LARGEST

1:02:45BUILDINGS, OVER 100,000FT,

1:02:48BEGAN IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR,

1:02:502026, AND CURRENTLY THE STAFF

1:02:54EXPECT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE

1:02:58BUILDINGS TO COMPLY WITH THE

1:03:002029 COMPLIANCE PERIOD.

1:03:03REQUIREMENTS REDUCTION

1:03:05REQUIREMENTS. SO MOST OF THE

1:03:07BUILDINGS ARE ALREADY AHEAD OF

1:03:09THE GAME BECAUSE THEY'RE

1:03:12ALREADY ELECTRIFYING AND MAKING

1:03:15ENERGY EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS,

1:03:17OR IN SOME CASES, THEY'VE

1:03:18ALREADY DONE SO. AND THEN THE

1:03:22CITY STAFF HAS INVESTED

1:03:25EXTENSIVELY IN PROVIDING

1:03:27ASSISTANCE AND GUIDANCE. THE

1:03:30ORDINANCE REQUIRES THE SEEDING

1:03:32OF AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH

1:03:35HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT WILL

1:03:38ALSO OVERSEE EXCEPTION OR

1:03:41EXEMPTION REQUESTS AND

1:03:44APPLICATIONS, AS WELL AS

1:03:46APPROVING SPECIFIC CARBON

1:03:49CREDITS THAT WILL BE ALLOWED TO

1:03:52BE USED, AND TO DEMONSTRATE HOW

1:03:55STRINGENT OUR CRITERIA WERE.

1:03:57THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO CARBON

1:03:59CREDITS IN EXISTENCE THAT MEET

1:04:01OUR CRITERIA, SO THEY WOULD

1:04:04HAVE TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE

1:04:06THOSE STANDARDS BEFORE THEY

1:04:08COULD USE THEM. SO THOSE ARE

1:04:10SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS FROM

1:04:12CAMBRIDGE. WE'RE CURRENTLY

1:04:13WORKING WITH A NUMBER OF

1:04:16JURISDICTIONS ACROSS THE

1:04:17COUNTRY, INCLUDING WATERTOWN

1:04:20AND SOMERVILLE IN THE BOSTON

1:04:22AREA, AS WELL AS BURLINGTON,

1:04:25VERMONT. WE ASSISTED EVANSTON,

1:04:28ILLINOIS LAST YEAR IN ADOPTING

1:04:31THEIR HEALTHY BUILDINGS

1:04:33ORDINANCE, AND SO WE STAND AT

1:04:36THE READY TO ASSIST YOU AT NO

1:04:39COST, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER

1:04:41ANY QUESTIONS OR CONNECT YOU

1:04:42WITH ANYONE WHO CAN ANSWER YOUR

1:04:45QUESTIONS, INCLUDING

1:04:47STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITIES

1:04:49WHERE THESE BUILDING

1:04:51PERFORMANCE STANDARDS HAVE BEEN

1:04:52SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED. THANK

1:04:55YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

1:04:58>> THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR

1:05:00JOINING US VIRTUALLY. WE

1:05:02APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND

1:05:04EXPERTISE. SO THAT IS ALL THE

1:05:06PANELISTS. I'LL THANK ALL THE

1:05:08PANELISTS FOR JOINING US. AND

1:05:11ULTIMATELY, I THINK WHAT I HOPE

1:05:13WE HEAR IN THIS IS THAT THERE

1:05:15ARE LOTS OF CITIES THAT ARE

1:05:17TRYING TO TACKLE THIS PROBLEM

1:05:19AND HAVE MADE SOME GREAT

1:05:20STRIDES. AND SO I'M GRATEFUL TO

1:05:22THE PERSPECTIVE OF OUR

1:05:24PANELISTS TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE

1:05:25CAN MAKE THOSE SAME MOVES HERE

1:05:28IN PORTLAND. SO NOW WE'VE GOT

1:05:30AND WE'RE A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF

1:05:32SCHEDULE. SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT 40

1:05:33MINUTES TO DISCUSS, ASK

1:05:36QUESTIONS. I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF

1:05:38QUESTIONS I CAN ASK TO KICK IT

1:05:40OFF, BUT I WANT TO SEE WHERE

1:05:42THE COMMITTEE IS AT IF YOU'VE

1:05:43GOT QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. ALL

1:05:45RIGHT. COUNCILOR NOVICK, KICK

1:05:46US OFF.

1:05:47>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND

1:05:49I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS

1:05:51WHICH MOST OF WHICH PROBABLY

1:05:52SHOULD BE POSTPONED UNTIL TWO

1:05:54WEEKS FROM NOW. SO JUST SHUT ME

1:05:56UP WHEN YOU THINK OF STUFF. AND

1:05:58I WANT TO BEGIN BY SAYING THAT

1:06:00I START OFF BEING HEAVILY

1:06:01BIASED IN FAVOR OF THIS

1:06:02PROPOSAL. PARTLY, FRANKLY,

1:06:04BECAUSE MY OLD FRIEND ANGUS

1:06:05DUNCAN, WHO WAS THE HEAD OF THE

1:06:06GLOBAL WARMING COMMISSION, WAS

1:06:08ON THE CLIMATE AND

1:06:09SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION, AND

1:06:10I CALLED HIM UP AND HE SAID,

1:06:12YEAH, THIS IS GOOD. HAVING SAID

1:06:13THAT, THOUGH, WE'RE GOING TO

1:06:15HEAR A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT

1:06:16IS THIS GOING TO RAISE RENTS?

1:06:18IS IT GOING TO FURTHER DEPRESS

1:06:19OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES? ET

1:06:21CETERA. ET CETERA. SO I DO

1:06:23THINK THAT WE NEED TO AT LEAST

1:06:24ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. AND I WILL

1:06:26GIVE FULL DISCLOSURE. I ASKED

1:06:28MULTIFAMILY NORTHWEST, WHAT ARE

1:06:28SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THEY

1:06:30WOULD ASK. AND SO THEY GAVE ME

1:06:31SOME IN SOME CASES, THE PREMISE

1:06:33OF THEIR QUESTION MIGHT BE

1:06:34TOTALLY WRONG, AND I'D BE HAPPY

1:06:36TO HEAR THAT. BUT SO JUST WITH

1:06:37THAT, WITH WITH THAT IN MIND,

1:06:39ONE QUESTION IS I THINK THAT

1:06:42FOR 2030, WE'RE SORT OF

1:06:45ALLOWING THE BUILDINGS TO

1:06:46ASSUME THAT PGE AND PACIFICORP

1:06:48HAVE MET THEIR DECARBONIZATION

1:06:50TARGETS MANDATED BY THE STATE.

1:06:53BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT

1:06:54THAT'S NOT TRUE FOR THE

1:06:56SUBSEQUENT YEARS 2035, 2040,

1:06:58ETC. AND I'M JUST WONDERING

1:07:00WHAT THE THOUGHT IS THERE AS

1:07:01CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO SAYING,

1:07:02OKAY, YOU CAN ALWAYS ASSUME

1:07:03THAT PGE AND PACIFICORP ARE

1:07:05MEETING THEIR DECARBONIZATION

1:07:08TARGETS.

1:07:11>> AND DO YOU WANT TO START TO

1:07:13ADDRESS THAT? I'LL NOTE THAT I

1:07:15SENT THIS SAME QUESTION OVER TO

1:07:16VIN EARLIER TODAY, AND I'M

1:07:18EXPECTING TO GET A FULL ANSWER.

1:07:20SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE RIGHT

1:07:21NOW, THAT'S OKAY. BUT KNOW THAT

1:07:23IT IS A QUESTION IN THE

1:07:24PIPELINE. GO AHEAD.

1:07:25>> SURE. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR.

1:07:26NOVICK. AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT

1:07:28QUESTION. SO FOR THE CLEAN

1:07:30ENERGY TARGETS AT THE STATE

1:07:32LEVEL, THERE HAS BEEN SOME

1:07:33UNCERTAINTY AND THAT WE'VE SEEN

1:07:35MORE CERTAINTY OVER TIME THAT

1:07:36THERE ARE INVESTMENTS IN

1:07:37RENEWABLE ENERGY HAPPENING FROM

1:07:38BOTH PACIFIC POWER AND PGE.

1:07:40THEY'VE REDUCED THEIR EMISSIONS

1:07:43BY APPROXIMATELY 30% TO US FROM

1:07:462010 2012 BASELINE TO 2024. SO

1:07:48WE'RE SEEING THAT PROGRESS.

1:07:50THEIR CLEAN ENERGY PLANS

1:07:51INDICATE ADDITIONAL PROGRESS.

1:07:53AND AT THE SAME TIME, UNTIL THE

1:07:55FIRST DEADLINE IS REACHED IN

1:07:582030, IT'S AN 80% GOAL OF

1:08:00REDUCTION. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE

1:08:03A LITTLE BIT UNCERTAINTY UNTIL

1:08:04THEN. AND SO TO GIVE PROPERTY

1:08:06OWNERS SOME REASSURANCE ARE THE

1:08:09STAFF PROPOSAL HAS ASSUMED THAT

1:08:12THERE IS A CLEAN ENERGY TARGETS

1:08:14WILL BE REACHED THAT MAKES 2030

1:08:15ESSENTIALLY A PROCEDURAL

1:08:16CLIMATE OR PROCEDURAL

1:08:18COMPLIANCE YEAR. AND AS NOTED

1:08:20EARLIER, THAT'S THAT'S THE

1:08:23ENGAGEMENT THAT WOULD WOULD

1:08:24LEAD TO. THE PLANNING FOR

1:08:29INVESTMENTS TO GET TO 2035 AND

1:08:322035 AND 2040. I THINK IT'S

1:08:34ALSO SOME UNKNOWNS THAT THAT

1:08:37ARE THERE.

1:08:39>> OKAY. I MEAN, I THINK THAT

1:08:41THE QUESTION IS, I MEAN, IF WE

1:08:43THINK PGE AND PACIFICORP MEET

1:08:44THEIR TARGETS FOR 2030, THAT'S

1:08:46GREAT. THAT HELPS REDUCE

1:08:48EMISSIONS. BUT IF PGE AND

1:08:50PACIFICORP DON'T MEET THEIR

1:08:52TARGETS FOR 2035, 2040, ETC.

1:08:55THEN I THINK WE CAN ASSUME THAT

1:08:57THE COST TO THE BUILDING OWNERS

1:08:59OF MEETING THESE TARGETS MIGHT

1:09:03BE RATHER HIGH COMPARED TO IF

1:09:05PGE AND PACIFIC, OR DO MEET

1:09:07THEIR TARGETS. SO AND JUST

1:09:08WONDERING, WHAT'S THE ARGUMENT

1:09:10AGAINST JUST SAYING WE ACTUALLY

1:09:14I'M CURIOUS WHAT OTHER CITIES

1:09:15HAVE DONE ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE I

1:09:17THINK THAT OTHER CITIES THAT

1:09:18ALSO HAVE THEIR SORT OF LIKE

1:09:19RENEWABLE PORTFOLIO STANDARDS

1:09:21THING. WHAT'S THE ARGUMENT

1:09:22AGAINST SAYING WE'RE GOING TO

1:09:23DO THE SAME THING IN 2035 AND

1:09:252040, SORT OF ALLOW THEM TO

1:09:26ASSUME THAT PGE AND PACIFICORP

1:09:28ARE MEETING THEIR TARGETS.

1:09:30>> I THINK ONE ARGUMENT WOULD

1:09:32BE IF IT'S JUST NOT TECHNICALLY

1:09:33FEASIBLE FOR THE UTILITIES TO

1:09:35GET TO THEIR 2035 AND 2040

1:09:38TARGETS. I DON'T THINK WE'RE

1:09:39SEEING THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT

1:09:41WOULD BE ONE ARGUMENT IS TO

1:09:43WAIT AND SEE IF IT'S EVEN

1:09:44TECHNICALLY FEASIBLE. IF IT'S

1:09:45NOT TECHNICALLY FEASIBLE, THEN

1:09:47A REGULATED CREDIT MECHANISM

1:09:48COULD BE CONSIDERED. AND THAT'S

1:09:50WHAT'S USED IN A LIMITED WAY IN

1:09:53BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS, AS WELL

1:09:55AS NEW YORK. AND IT WAS

1:09:58REFERENCED IN THE CREDITS, THE

1:10:00CARBON CREDITS BY CAMBRIDGE AS

1:10:02WELL. SO THERE IS A ANOTHER

1:10:04ROUTE, BUT BASED ON THE CURRENT

1:10:07INFORMATION, THE BTS HAS BEEN

1:10:09TRACKING ON THE PROGRESS

1:10:10TOWARDS THE CLEAN ENERGY

1:10:11TARGETS. WE DON'T THINK THAT

1:10:13OPTION IS NECESSARY.

1:10:15>> COUNCILOR IT LOOKS LIKE

1:10:16QUENTIN MIGHT WANT TO ANSWER

1:10:17YOUR QUESTION.

1:10:18>> YEAH.

1:10:18>> THANK YOU. QUENTIN. GO AHEAD.

1:10:20>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

1:10:21THROUGH YOU. YES. THE THIS

1:10:24ISSUE DID NOT COME UP IN

1:10:26CAMBRIDGE IN THE SENSE THAT WE

1:10:28DIDN'T MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS

1:10:30EITHER WAY. BUT THE COVERED

1:10:34PROPERTIES CAN, OF COURSE,

1:10:37INCLUDE WHATEVER THE EMISSIONS

1:10:39ARE ON THE GRID AS PART OF

1:10:42THEIR COMPLIANCE. AND SO I

1:10:45GUESS THE BROADER ASSUMPTION IS

1:10:47THAT THE UTILITIES ARE GOING TO

1:10:49ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS. BUT THE

1:10:52CITY DID COMMIT TO, THROUGH ITS

1:10:56OWN COMMUNITY CHOICE

1:10:57AGGREGATION PROGRAM. PROVIDE

1:11:02VERY LOW EMISSION ELECTRICITY

1:11:06TO ITS BASIC SERVICE RATEPAYERS.

1:11:09AND SO EVEN IF THE UTILITIES

1:11:13DON'T ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS, THIS

1:11:16THE CITY'S COMMUNITY CHOICE

1:11:18AGGREGATION PROGRAM WOULD ALLOW

1:11:21THE PROPERTIES, AT LEAST

1:11:23THROUGH THEIR ELECTRICITY

1:11:25CONSUMPTION, TO RECEIVE CREDIT

1:11:27FOR FOR THAT LOW EMISSIONS

1:11:29ELECTRICITY.

1:11:32>> THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO MOVE

1:11:34ON TO ANOTHER QUESTION, IF I

1:11:36MAY. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS

1:11:39THAT MULTIFAMILY NORTHWEST

1:11:40ASKED WAS SOMETHING ABOUT

1:11:41WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE IMPACT

1:11:43ON NATURALLY OCCURRING

1:11:44AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND I'M NOT

1:11:45GOING TO, YOU KNOW, AND THEY

1:11:47WERE LIKE RAISING THE SPECTRUM

1:11:48THAT IF PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY

1:11:51OWN, QUOTE, NATURALLY OCCURRING

1:11:53AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAVE TO BEAR

1:11:54TOO MUCH COST, THEY MIGHT SELL

1:11:55OUT TO PRIVATE EQUITY. ET

1:11:57CETERA. ET CETERA. BUT I'M

1:11:58GOING TO ASK SOMETHING MORE

1:11:59SPECIFIC, WHICH IS I MEAN,

1:12:01THERE'S A GUY NAMED JOE WESTON

1:12:02WHO FOR MANY YEARS HAS OWNED

1:12:05PROPERTIES WHERE THE RENT IS

1:12:06UNUSUALLY LOW AND THERE TEND TO

1:12:08BE OLD BUILDINGS. AND I WAS AND

1:12:11HE'S ACTUALLY, I THINK,

1:12:12TRANSFERRING HIS BUILDINGS TO

1:12:14SOME SORT OF FOUNDATION. AND

1:12:16I'M JUST CURIOUS, HAVE WE DONE

1:12:18OUTREACH SPECIFICALLY TO OWNERS

1:12:22OF PRIVATE HOUSING THAT IS

1:12:24UNUSUALLY AFFORDABLE, SORT OF

1:12:25TALK THEM THROUGH HOW THEY

1:12:27WOULD COMPLY WITH THIS?

1:12:30>> YES. SO WE DID EXTENSIVE

1:12:33OUTREACH AT BTS FROM 2220 22 TO

1:12:362024, INCLUDING WEEKLY BUILDING

1:12:38WORK, GROUP MEETINGS THAT WERE

1:12:39FOR PROPERTY OWNERS. SO THE

1:12:42OUTREACH, I BELIEVE, DID

1:12:43INCLUDE JOE WESTON INVITATION,

1:12:45BUT I THINK THE REPRESENTATION

1:12:47WAS FROM MULTIFAMILY NORTHWEST

1:12:48IN THOSE SPACES FOR THE THE

1:12:50PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS. YEAH.

1:12:54>> BUT DID THE IN THE OUTREACH,

1:12:55DID YOU SORT OF LIKE ASK THEM

1:12:57TO SORT OF GAME OUT WHAT THEY

1:12:59THINK WOULD BE NECESSARY TO

1:13:00MEET THE 2030 TARGETS, THE 2035

1:13:02TARGETS, ETC.

1:13:04>> THROUGH THOSE ENGAGEMENT

1:13:05MEETINGS THAT LASTED OVER MANY

1:13:07MONTHS, WE HEARD THE CONCERN

1:13:10ABOUT THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON

1:13:13NOT JUST THE PROPERTY OWNERS,

1:13:14BUT POTENTIAL PASS THROUGH

1:13:15COSTS.

1:13:16>> RIGHT?

1:13:16>> SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE

1:13:18CONTRACTED ECHO NORTHWEST TO

1:13:20REALLY LOOK AT WHAT WOULD BE

1:13:21THE ESPECIALLY FOR OUR FIRST

1:13:22CARBON PERFORMANCE STANDARD,

1:13:23WHAT WOULD BE THE OUTCOME? AND

1:13:28THEY, THEY CONFIRMED THE WHAT I

1:13:31THINK MANY OF US KNOW IS THAT

1:13:32THE RENTAL MARKET IS A VERY

1:13:35COMPLEX SYSTEM THAT HAS A LOT

1:13:36OF FACTORS THAT ARE INVOLVED.

1:13:38BUT AT THE SCALE OF RETROFITS

1:13:40NECESSARY TO COMPLY, THEY

1:13:42CONCLUDED. NO NET IMPACT ON

1:13:45RENTERS IS THROUGH PASS THROUGH,

1:13:48AND THAT IS A A CONCLUSION THAT

1:13:56WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO US

1:13:57BECAUSE WE WERE SPECIFICALLY

1:13:59CONCERNED ABOUT NATURALLY

1:14:00OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING

1:14:01BECAUSE OF OUR PREVIOUS

1:14:02ENGAGEMENT WITH BUILD SHIFT AND

1:14:05HOW THEY MIGHT BE IMPACTED. BUT

1:14:07SOME OF THOSE OTHER FACTORS ARE

1:14:08JUST THE THE ABILITY TO PAY,

1:14:10FOR INSTANCE, FOR THE THE

1:14:11PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY RENTING

1:14:13FROM NATURALLY OCCURRING

1:14:14AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

1:14:15>> DIDN'T GO NORTHWEST, JUST

1:14:16FOCUS ON 2030 RATHER THAN 2035,

1:14:202040, ETC.

1:14:21>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YEAH.

1:14:23SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE

1:14:25CARBON PERFORMANCE STANDARDS

1:14:25BACK THEN, WE WERE LOOKING AT A,

1:14:27A VERY AGGRESSIVE KIND OF

1:14:29TIMELINE FOR ADOPTION. AND 2030

1:14:32WAS A BIG YEAR FOR A JUMP. THIS

1:14:35IS SIMILAR TO WHAT SEATTLE HAD

1:14:36ADOPTED. AND SINCE THEN, OUR

1:14:38CONCLUSION IS THAT THAT LONG

1:14:40COMPLIANCE PERIOD, WHICH ALSO

1:14:42NORTHWEST POINTS OUT THAT'S

1:14:43VERY IMPORTANT TO PREVENT THAT

1:14:45PASS THROUGH THE THE LONG

1:14:47COMPLIANCE PERIOD IS VERY

1:14:48IMPORTANT. SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING

1:14:50AT IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE A 2040

1:14:52TO 2045 TIMELINE WHERE

1:14:54MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES WOULD BE

1:14:55IMPACTED RATHER THAN A 2030

1:14:58TIMELINE.

1:14:58>> OKAY. THANK YOU. ANOTHER

1:15:01ISSUE THAT'S BEEN RAISED IS

1:15:03WHAT IF YOU'VE GOT A PROPERTY

1:15:05THAT'S LARGELY VACANT AND YOU

1:15:06HAVE TO USE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE

1:15:08ENERGY USE AS OF NOW IS THE

1:15:09BENCHMARK AND THEN A WHOLE

1:15:11BUNCH OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MOVE

1:15:12IN AND THEIR ENERGY USE GOES UP.

1:15:14HOW DOES THE POLICY ADDRESS

1:15:17ADJUST FOR THAT? OR DOES IT.

1:15:20>> THESE ARE ALL GREAT

1:15:21QUESTIONS FOR ME, AREN'T THEY?

1:15:22YEAH. SO BEING FAMILIAR WITH

1:15:24THAT CONCERN IN 2022, WHILE WE

1:15:27WERE ENGAGING FOLKS AND IT WAS

1:15:30DEEP IN THE, THE PANDEMIC TO WE

1:15:35EXPLORED THAT QUESTION IN SOME

1:15:37DETAIL. AND SO AS THE STAFF

1:15:40PROPOSAL ADVANCED, WE REALLY

1:15:42CONSIDERED HOW DO WE ADDRESS

1:15:43THE VACANCY? AND THE KEY FOR,

1:15:45FOR THESE CARBON PERFORMANCE

1:15:47STANDARDS IS TO SET THE RIGHT

1:15:49BASELINE. SO WE EXPLICITLY

1:15:50STATE 2027 AND 2028 AS TWO

1:15:54OPTIONS. BUT THEN A PROPERTY

1:15:56OWNER COULD ASK FOR A DIFFERENT

1:15:59BASELINE. FOR INSTANCE, IF DOWN

1:16:00THE ROAD THEY HAD A HIGHER

1:16:02LEVEL OF OCCUPANCY, THAT WOULD

1:16:03BE VERY REASONABLE

1:16:06CONSIDERATION. THE OTHER THING

1:16:07WE HEARD IS THAT PROPERTY

1:16:09OWNERS MORE RECENTLY MADE

1:16:11INVESTMENTS, AND SO THEY WANTED

1:16:12TO GET CREDIT FOR THOSE

1:16:13INVESTMENTS. IN PORTLAND.

1:16:15THERE'S COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS

1:16:16HAVE BEEN REPORTING FOR OVER

1:16:18TEN YEARS. SO THEY MIGHT HAVE A

1:16:20YEAR THAT SAYS, WELL, HERE'S

1:16:21WHERE WE WERE BEFORE WE MADE

1:16:23ALL THESE INVESTMENTS. CAN WE

1:16:24GET CREDIT FOR THAT? SO THAT

1:16:25PROVIDES THAT OPTION FOR THEM

1:16:27TO.

1:16:27>> YEAH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

1:16:29ONE THING I WORRY ABOUT IS IF

1:16:30WE HAVE IT BE TOO

1:16:32INDIVIDUALIZED, WE MIGHT NEED

1:16:33TO LIKE HAVE LOTS OF FTE IN THE

1:16:35CITY SORT OF LOOKING AT THESE

1:16:36INDIVIDUALIZED PROPOSALS. SO

1:16:39WHEN I WAS TALKING TO ANGUS

1:16:40ABOUT THIS ISSUE OF WHETHER YOU

1:16:43REQUIRE EVERYBODY TO REDUCE BY

1:16:4520% A YEAR, PEOPLE START AT

1:16:47DIFFERENT PLACES. HE SAID THAT

1:16:48IN SOME CONTEXT, ENERGY

1:16:50EFFICIENCY CONTEXT, THE SORT OF

1:16:52ALTERNATIVE TO A PERCENT

1:16:54REDUCTION EVERY X AMOUNT OF

1:16:55TIME IS TO SET SORT OF A

1:16:58EFFICIENCY TARGET, SAY, THIS IS

1:17:00WHERE THE TOP THIRD OF

1:17:01BUILDINGS ARE. SO EVERYBODY

1:17:03NEEDS TO MEET THAT BY X DATE,

1:17:06WHICH I THINK MIGHT BE EASIER.

1:17:07I MEAN, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD

1:17:09MIGHT BE SORT OF EASIER TO

1:17:11ADMINISTER. AND WE'D SORT OF BE

1:17:12TELLING PEOPLE, ALL RIGHT, IF

1:17:14YOU'VE DONE, IF YOU'VE DONE A

1:17:16BUNCH OF WORK, THEN YOU SHOULD

1:17:18ALREADY BE MEETING THAT TARGET.

1:17:19BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T, YOU AT

1:17:20LEAST HAVE TO DO THAT SORT OF

1:17:22LIKE ENERGY EFFICIENT ENERGY

1:17:24USE PER SQUARE FOOT OR

1:17:25SOMETHING. IT HAS TO BE DOWN TO

1:17:27A CERTAIN LEVEL. WAS THERE A

1:17:30CONSIDERATION OF SORT OF AN

1:17:32OPTION LIKE THAT INSTEAD OF

1:17:35INDIVIDUALIZED TARGET MEETING,

1:17:36SAYING, HERE'S A TARGET THAT

1:17:37EVERYBODY HAS TO MEET?

1:17:39>> YEAH, THAT'S ANOTHER

1:17:41APPROACH TO TAKE. SEATTLE TAKES

1:17:43THAT APPROACH. AND THEN THE

1:17:46STATE OF OREGON ALSO TAKES THAT

1:17:48APPROACH WITH THEIR BUILDING

1:17:49ENERGY PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.

1:17:51SEATTLE HAS CARBON PERFORMANCE

1:17:52STANDARDS. AND EXAMINING THAT

1:17:55APPROACH, ONE OF THE KEY

1:17:57CONSIDERATIONS WAS THAT IF WE

1:17:57SET A TARGET AS THEY DID, WHICH

1:17:59IS IF THERE'S A GOAL FOR, LET'S

1:18:01SAY, THE WHOLE MULTIFAMILY

1:18:02SECTOR TO GET TO 20% REDUCTION,

1:18:05THEN THEY SAY, HERE'S WHERE THE

1:18:06TARGET IS. BUT THE CHALLENGE IN

1:18:08THAT IS IN THOSE FIRST

1:18:09COMPLIANCE YEARS, THIS GOES

1:18:10BACK TO HOW WE CHANGE THINGS

1:18:12FOR THAT. 2030 WASN'T THE

1:18:13HARDEST YEAR TO BE HIT FOR

1:18:14NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE

1:18:16HOUSING. THE POOREST PERFORMING

1:18:17BUILDINGS HAVE TO MAKE THE

1:18:18BIGGEST JUMP TO GET TO THAT

1:18:20TARGET. AND WE REALLY THOUGHT

1:18:21THAT DIDN'T SEEM EQUITABLE. AND

1:18:23GOING BACK TO THE CONCERNS THAT

1:18:24YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT AN

1:18:26UNINTENDED OUTCOME THAT WE

1:18:27WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE IS FOR

1:18:28FOLKS TO FEEL LIKE OUR PROPERTY

1:18:30OWNERS, TO FEEL LIKE THAT THEY

1:18:31WOULD HAVE TO MOVE ON FROM

1:18:33THEIR BUILDINGS.

1:18:37>> OKAY. THANK YOU. I ALSO JUST

1:18:39HAVE TO NOTE THAT WE'VE HEARD

1:18:41ABOUT THREE JURISDICTIONS WHERE

1:18:42WE'VE LIVED D.C. NEW YORK, AND

1:18:44CAMBRIDGE. SO THAT WAS IT WAS

1:18:46KIND OF LIKE, HOMIE, THANK YOU.

1:18:49>> GREAT. WELL, LET'S DO IT

1:18:51LIKE THOSE THREE, THREE CITIES.

1:18:54GO AHEAD. COUNCILOR

1:18:55PIRTLE-GUINEY.

1:18:57>> THANK YOU, CHAIR AND THANK

1:18:58YOU. COUNCILOR. NOVICK FOR MANY

1:19:00OF THOSE QUESTIONS. I HAVE A

1:19:04COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. IF I RUN

1:19:06TOO LONG, CHAIR, LET ME KNOW. I

1:19:09WANT TO START WITH JUST

1:19:11UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCES

1:19:12BETWEEN WHAT WAS IN THE WORK

1:19:15THAT THE BUREAU WAS DOING

1:19:17PREVIOUSLY AND WHAT IS IN THE

1:19:19PROPOSAL THAT IS NOW UNDER

1:19:22DISCUSSION. I KNOW WE'RE SAVING

1:19:24SPECIFIC CONVERSATION ABOUT

1:19:25THAT PROPOSAL FOR WHEN IT COMES

1:19:27FORWARD IN A FEW WEEKS, BUT WE

1:19:29HEARD PRESENTATIONS ON BOTH

1:19:30TODAY, AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE

1:19:31SURE THAT I'M PROPERLY THINKING

1:19:34ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US

1:19:36NOW AND WHAT HAS CHANGED FROM

1:19:38WHAT WAS BEFORE US PREVIOUSLY,

1:19:40AND WHY THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE.

1:19:42>> I CAN START TO ANSWER THAT.

1:19:43AND THEN YOU CAN SPEAK MORE TO

1:19:45THE HISTORY. I MEAN, IN GENERAL,

1:19:47THIS IS A PROPOSAL. THE

1:19:49LANGUAGE, THE WORK HAS BEEN LED

1:19:51NOT BY MY OFFICE. IT'S BEEN LED

1:19:53BY BTS. IT'S BEEN LED BY

1:19:54COMMUNITY. SO THE CHANGES THAT

1:19:56WE'VE MADE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE

1:19:58BEEN WORKING ON IT SINCE 2022.

1:20:00LIKE THEY SAID, THERE WAS A

1:20:01MOMENT WHERE THEY TOOK A PAUSE.

1:20:03DID THE PILOT COMMISSIONED THE

1:20:06ECO NORTHWEST STUDY, AND THERE

1:20:08WERE CHANGES THAT, OF COURSE,

1:20:09HAPPENED FROM THAT POINT. AND

1:20:11THAT CAME AND THOSE CHANGES

1:20:12WERE MADE PRIOR TO COMING TO ME.

1:20:14RIGHT. SO I'M COMING IN AT THE

1:20:16TAIL END AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL

1:20:18LANGUAGE, AND THEN COMING IN

1:20:20WITH THE WORKSHOP WITH ME AND

1:20:21THE OTHER ENGAGEMENT THAT I WAS

1:20:23DOING, THERE WERE SOME CHANGES

1:20:24THAT HAVE BEEN MADE MOST

1:20:25RECENTLY. SOME OF THE ONES THAT

1:20:27I'VE SHARED WITH COUNCIL FROM

1:20:28CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING

1:20:30IN RECENTLY, BUT FOR THE MOST

1:20:31PART, THE CHANGES HAVE NOT BEEN

1:20:33MADE BY MY OFFICE. THEY'VE BEEN

1:20:34MADE BY BTS, AND IT'S EVOLVED

1:20:37OVER THE COURSE OF THAT TIME.

1:20:38>> SO I'M LOOKING FOR SPECIFICS

1:20:40AND UNDERSTANDING THE POLICY

1:20:42THAT WE WILL HAVE BEFORE US

1:20:43COMPARED TO THE POLICY THAT WAS

1:20:45LAST AIRED AS BTS WAS DOING

1:20:47THIS WORK PREVIOUSLY. WHAT WHAT

1:20:52IS DIFFERENT NOW? BECAUSE I'VE

1:20:53HEARD THAT THERE ARE SOME

1:20:54SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES.

1:20:55>> THIS IS ANDREA JACOB, FOR

1:20:56THE RECORD, WE HAVE LOOKED AT

1:20:59THE CODE THAT WE LEFT OFF WITH

1:21:01IN NOVEMBER OF 2025 TO WHAT IS

1:21:04CURRENTLY POSTED ON THE

1:21:06COUNCIL'S WEBSITE. SO THOSE ARE

1:21:08THE TWO POINTS THAT WE LOOKED

1:21:10AT AT A HIGH LEVEL. WE CAN SAY

1:21:12THAT FROM OUR DRAFT TO THIS

1:21:14DRAFT, RESIDENTIAL CONDOS CAME

1:21:16OUT, SO THOSE ARE NO LONGER

1:21:18COVERED ON THE CARBON

1:21:20PERFORMANCE STANDARDS PIECE.

1:21:22THERE'S THIS BIT ABOUT 2030 AND

1:21:25THE GREENHOUSE, ASSUMING THAT

1:21:27THE UTILITIES ARE GOING TO MEET

1:21:29THEIR TARGET. THAT IS A NEW

1:21:31PIECE THAT THAT BTS DID NOT

1:21:34MAKE FROM OUR IN OUR DRAFT.

1:21:37THERE'S A BIT FROM IN THE

1:21:40CARBON PERFORMANCE STANDARDS

1:21:41AROUND SWIMMING POOL HEATING AT

1:21:42THE REQUEST OF PARKS. WE ARE

1:21:43EXCLUDING THAT FROM THE

1:21:44CALCULATIONS FINAL OR WHEN I

1:21:47SAY WE COUNCILOR COUNCILORS,

1:21:48DRAFT COUNCILORS, DRAFT ALSO

1:21:50INCLUDES A. THE IDEA THAT

1:21:54OFFSETS AND RENEWABLE NATURAL

1:21:55GAS AND UNREGULATED CREDIT

1:21:57MECHANISMS. THESE OTHER WAYS OF.

1:21:59OF MEETING THE GOAL ARE NO.

1:22:02WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED IN THE

1:22:03FINAL CARBON PERFORMANCE

1:22:05STANDARDS.

1:22:06>> SO THOSE WERE THAT

1:22:08FLEXIBILITY WAS PREVIOUSLY

1:22:09GRANTED AND IS NOT GRANTED

1:22:11ANYMORE.

1:22:12>> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. YOU

1:22:13CONFIRM THAT. THAT'S RIGHT.

1:22:14OKAY. THERE'S A GOOD BIT IN

1:22:17THERE AROUND ALTERNATE

1:22:18COMPLIANCE PLANS. AND THOSE ARE

1:22:20SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING

1:22:22CONCERNS BY CAMPUS INSTITUTIONS

1:22:23THAT THE COUNSELOR'S OFFICE WAS

1:22:25RESPONSIVE TO. SO CLARIFYING

1:22:28THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST THE

1:22:30DEFINITION OF WHAT A CAMPUS

1:22:31PORTFOLIO IS, IT ALLOWS MORE

1:22:33GENERALLY WHAT THOSE CHANGES DO

1:22:34ALLOW MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE

1:22:35CAMPUS INSTITUTIONS TO TO

1:22:38COMPLY. THERE WAS A CHANGE IN

1:22:40THE CARBON POLLUTION IMPACT FEE

1:22:43BTS, IF LEFT TO, YOU KNOW, IN

1:22:45OUR CODE, WE DID NOT GET

1:22:48SPECIFIC ABOUT A COST PER

1:22:49METRIC TON THIS DRAFT. THE

1:22:52COUNCIL'S DRAFT DOES GET MORE

1:22:53SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT. AND THEN

1:22:56ON THE EXTENSIONS AND

1:22:57EXEMPTIONS, ALL ELECTRIC

1:22:59BUILDINGS IN THIS IN THE

1:23:01CURRENT DRAFT, NOT THE BTS

1:23:02DRAFT COULD SEEK AN EXEMPTION.

1:23:06>> OKAY.

1:23:06>> SO THAT'S A PRETTY HIGH

1:23:08LEVEL SUMMARY OF WHAT WE SEE AS

1:23:10THE CHANGES FROM WHEN WE LEFT

1:23:12OFF.

1:23:12>> GREAT. THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.

1:23:14THANK YOU. I THINK YOU ALL ARE

1:23:17PROBABLY THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO

1:23:18ANSWER MY NEXT QUESTION. I AM

1:23:20TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ZERO

1:23:23MEANS. SO WE HAVE THIS STANDARD

1:23:25WHERE YOU REDUCE FROM BASELINE

1:23:2820% EVERY FIVE YEARS, WHICH

1:23:30MEANS THAT IN 25 YEARS WE HAVE

1:23:32TO BE AT ZERO. AND I HEARD IN

1:23:35THE PRESENTATION THAT WAYS TO

1:23:37GET THERE CAN INCLUDE ENERGY

1:23:39EFFICIENCY MEASURES ON SITE

1:23:41RENEWABLES, ELECTRIFICATION

1:23:43PAID OFFSETS. AS WE LOOK AT

1:23:47GETTING TO ZERO, ARE ALL OF

1:23:50THOSE THINGS GOING TO BE

1:23:51REQUIRED? AND WHAT I'M THINKING

1:23:52ABOUT IS IF A BUILDING OWNER

1:23:57ELECTRIFIES AND CAN GUARANTEE

1:23:59THAT ALL OF THEIR ELECTRICITY

1:24:02IS RENEWABLE SOURCES, EITHER

1:24:03BECAUSE OF ON SITE RENEWABLES

1:24:05OR THE PORTFOLIO OF OUR

1:24:07ELECTRICAL UTILITIES, DO THEY

1:24:09NEED TO DO ANY OF THE ENERGY

1:24:11EFFICIENCY UPGRADES THAT WOULD

1:24:12HELP LOWER UTILITY COSTS FOR

1:24:14RENTERS? DO THEY? SO LET'S

1:24:18LET'S START WITH THAT, RIGHT AS

1:24:20AN EXAMPLE. SIMILARLY, IF YOU

1:24:23DO ALL OF THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY

1:24:24UPGRADES, YOU HAVE THE TIGHTEST,

1:24:27THE TIGHTEST BUILDING POSSIBLE

1:24:29IN TERMS OF YOUR BUILDING SHELL

1:24:31AND ENERGY LEAKAGE. AND YOU'VE

1:24:35DONE EVERYTHING YOU CAN THERE,

1:24:36BUT YOU ARE STILL USING NATURAL

1:24:38GAS. IS THERE ANY WAY FOR YOU

1:24:40TO GET TO ZERO? IS THERE ANY

1:24:42WAY TO GET TO ZERO WITH THE USE

1:24:44OF NATURAL GAS, OR IS THIS A

1:24:47DEFAULT ELECTRIFICATION BILL,

1:24:49THOUGH IT'S NOT BEING PITCHED

1:24:50THAT WAY. SO THAT'S TWO

1:24:53EXAMPLES THAT I HAVE TALKED

1:24:55ABOUT WITH FOLKS. BUT I'M

1:24:57WONDERING WHAT ZERO MEANS AND

1:25:00WHAT WE ACTUALLY ARE REQUIRING

1:25:02TO GET THERE.

1:25:04>> YEAH. GREAT QUESTIONS

1:25:06COUNCILOR. SO I THINK I'LL

1:25:09START WITH THE SECOND QUESTION.

1:25:11FIRST ON ENERGY EFFICIENCY. IF

1:25:13A BUILDING USES NATURAL GAS. SO

1:25:17TO GET TO ZERO NATURAL GAS

1:25:20SERVED BUILDINGS WOULD HAVE TO

1:25:22NOT USE FOSSIL FUELS BECAUSE

1:25:24YOU CAN'T GET TO ZERO CARBON

1:25:25EMISSIONS WITH FOSSIL FUELS,

1:25:27WITH ONE EXCEPTION WOULD BE

1:25:28CARBON CAPTURE AND STORAGE.

1:25:30THAT'S A TECHNOLOGY THAT IS

1:25:32UNDER DEVELOPMENT. THAT SEEMS

1:25:34LIKE IT'S CONSTANTLY EMERGING,

1:25:36THOUGH. AND SO THAT IS A

1:25:39POSSIBILITY.

1:25:40>> BUT THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED

1:25:41UNDER THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE

1:25:43GOING TO BE SEEING IN A FEW

1:25:44WEEKS.

1:25:45>> IT'S NOT SPECIFIC RIGHT NOW

1:25:46IN THE PROPOSAL BECAUSE IT

1:25:48HASN'T EMERGED. BUT THAT WOULD

1:25:50BE ONE OF THE WAYS THAT A

1:25:52NATURAL GAS SERVE BUILDING

1:25:53COULD GET TO ZERO. YES. AND DID

1:25:59I ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTION

1:26:00OR IS THERE MORE?

1:26:01>> I THINK THAT'S THAT WAS THE

1:26:03SECOND EXAMPLE I GAVE. THE

1:26:04FIRST WAS, IF YOU FULLY

1:26:05ELECTRIFY AND YOU CAN GUARANTEE

1:26:06THAT IT'S ALL RENEWABLE,

1:26:10RENEWABLE SOURCES, WOULD YOU

1:26:12HAVE TO DO ANY ENERGY

1:26:14EFFICIENCY UPGRADES OR COULD WE

1:26:15HAVE A LEAKY BUILDING WITH

1:26:16INCREDIBLY HIGH UTILITY COSTS

1:26:18FOR RENTERS? BUT BECAUSE IT'S

1:26:20ALL ON SITE SOLAR OR WHATEVER

1:26:22IT IS THAT YOU'RE USING AS YOUR

1:26:24RENEWABLE SOURCE, YOU ACTUALLY

1:26:26DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.

1:26:27YOU'RE ALREADY AT ZERO.

1:26:29>> YEAH. AND THAT THAT IS

1:26:30CORRECT. SO THIS IS A ZERO

1:26:32CARBON PERFORMANCE STANDARD BY

1:26:342050. AND SO ANY TYPE OF

1:26:36ELECTRIFICATION TO GET THERE

1:26:37WOULD BE INCLUDED. WITH THAT

1:26:39SAID THOUGH TO

1:26:41>> REACH THE EARLY TARGETS,

1:26:42ENERGY EFFICIENCY WOULD BE THE

1:26:43THE WISER WAY TO MAKE AN

1:26:45INVESTMENT. AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN

1:26:46IN THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE

1:26:47ADOPTED THESE KINDS OF POLICIES

1:26:49IS TO HAVE A NAVIGATORS TO HELP

1:26:52PROPERTY OWNERS MAKE GOOD

1:26:53DECISIONS FOR THEIR INVESTMENTS.

1:26:59THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING I WAS

1:27:00THINKING OF TOO, THAT. OH, AND

1:27:03ALSO I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT

1:27:05THIS POLICY IS REALLY

1:27:07COMPLEMENTARY WITH THE STATE'S

1:27:08POLICY. I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE

1:27:09STATE ONLY GETS US TO A 5%

1:27:12CARBON EMISSIONS REDUCTION. THE

1:27:14GOAL TO ZERO IS 100%. BUT THAT

1:27:18IS A ENERGY EFFICIENCY POLICY.

1:27:20SO WE HAVE THE STATE'S ENERGY

1:27:22EFFICIENCY FOR THE LEAST

1:27:23PERFORMING BUILDINGS TO GET IT

1:27:25TO AVERAGE. THAT WOULD BE

1:27:27ADDRESSING MUCH OF THAT PIECE.

1:27:28AND BY DOING SO, THOSE PROPERTY

1:27:30OWNERS WOULD GAIN REDUCTIONS IN

1:27:32CARBON EMISSIONS TOO. AND

1:27:34FINALLY THAT THERE ARE FUNDING

1:27:36SOURCES. AND SO THAT NAVIGATOR

1:27:38THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER WOULD

1:27:39BE CONNECTING FUNDING SOURCES

1:27:41FOR PROPERTY OWNERS. THERE'S A

1:27:42STACK OF INCENTIVES. AND IT'S

1:27:44NOT JUST STUFF I'M HAPPY TO SAY.

1:27:47THERE IS THE THE OREGON HOUSING

1:27:51COMMUNITY SERVICES MULTIFAMILY

1:27:52ENERGY PROGRAM THAT HAS A

1:27:54SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF FUNDING.

1:27:56AND THERE ARE EXISTING PROGRAMS

1:27:57AT THE ENERGY TRUST OF OREGON

1:27:59THAT CAN PROVIDE INCENTIVES TO

1:28:01TO REALLY IMPROVE EFFICIENCY.

1:28:04>> CERTAINLY. CHANGING GEARS

1:28:08FOR A MINUTE, AND MY QUESTION

1:28:09HERE IN THE PILOT PROGRAM THAT

1:28:11WE HAVE RUN WERE THE.

1:28:14>> REAL QUICK, JUST BECAUSE I

1:28:16SEE ONE OF THE OTHER PANELISTS,

1:28:18DID. QUENTIN, DID YOU WANT TO

1:28:19REPLY TO COUNCILOR

1:28:20PIRTLE-GUINEY QUESTION?

1:28:22>> YES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

1:28:23THROUGH. YOU JUST WANTED TO

1:28:26WEIGH IN ON THE QUESTION ABOUT

1:28:28AN ALL ELECTRIC BUILDING THAT

1:28:31IS RECEIVING ALL OF ITS ENERGY

1:28:33FROM ELECTRICITY, FROM

1:28:35RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY, AND AT

1:28:38LEAST IN IN CAMBRIDGE, THAT

1:28:41WOULD BE CONSIDERED A ZERO

1:28:45EMISSIONS BUILDING. BUT WE HAVE

1:28:48NOT EVER SEEN ANYONE ATTEMPT TO

1:28:53CONVERT AN EXTREMELY POOR

1:28:57PERFORMING BUILDING IN TERMS OF

1:28:59ENERGY EFFICIENCY TO 100%

1:29:02RENEWABLE, WITHOUT IMPROVING

1:29:05THE EFFICIENCY, BECAUSE THAT

1:29:07WOULD BE ECONOMICALLY NOT

1:29:11ADVANTAGEOUS. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE

1:29:13WASTING A LOT OF ENERGY, THEN

1:29:15YOUR PAYBACK PERIOD ON

1:29:17RENEWABLE ENERGY IS MUCH LONGER.

1:29:20AND SO THERE'S A BUILT IN

1:29:23INCENTIVE TO IMPROVE THE

1:29:25EFFICIENCY AS YOU SWITCH YOUR

1:29:28ENERGY SOURCE TO RENEWABLE

1:29:31ELECTRICITY.

1:29:32>> THANK YOU. IN THE PILOT THAT

1:29:38WE'VE BEEN CONDUCTING, DO YOU

1:29:41KNOW THE AGE OF THE BUILDINGS?

1:29:43AND I AM WONDERING IF THESE ARE

1:29:46PREDOMINANTLY OBVIOUSLY NOT NEW,

1:29:48BUT NEWER BUILDINGS ARE

1:29:49PREDOMINANTLY SIGNIFICANTLY

1:29:50OLDER BUILDINGS. AND IF THERE'S

1:29:53ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO BE

1:29:54AWARE OF IN TERMS OF HOW THAT

1:29:57PILOT WILL, HOW THE RESULTS OF

1:30:00THAT PILOT WILL TRANSFER TO

1:30:02BUILDINGS ACROSS THE CITY, IF

1:30:04THEY WERE ALL A SIMILAR AGE OR

1:30:06SIMILAR TYPE OF BUILD, WHERE WE

1:30:09MIGHT NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW

1:30:10OTHER TYPES OF BUILDINGS COULD

1:30:12OPERATE DIFFERENTLY WITHIN A

1:30:15COMPREHENSIVE POLICY.

1:30:17>> YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT

1:30:18QUESTION TOO. AND THERE IS A

1:30:20WIDE RANGE OF AGES OF BUILDINGS

1:30:22AND THE AND THE RENTERS THAT

1:30:25ARE SERVED. SO ONE OF THE

1:30:28BUILDINGS IS NATURALLY

1:30:28OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING

1:30:29AND OTHER ONES REGULATED

1:30:30AFFORDABLE HOUSING. OTHERS ARE

1:30:34MARKET RATE ACROSS THE INCOME

1:30:37SPECTRUM. FROM OUR

1:30:38UNDERSTANDING. AND AND THERE'S

1:30:41VARIOUS AGES. AND ONE THING I

1:30:42THINK IS REALLY INTERESTING

1:30:43WHEN WE HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL

1:30:46ENERGY REPORTING DATA IN HAND.

1:30:47IN OUR FIRST YEAR, WE HEARD

1:30:49REPEATEDLY CONCERNS ABOUT LIKE,

1:30:50WHAT ABOUT THE OLDER BUILDINGS?

1:30:51BECAUSE THEY'LL BE POOR

1:30:53PERFORMING. AND THEN THE CITY

1:30:54ACTUALLY DISCLOSES THAT

1:30:55INFORMATION ON A MAP AS THE

1:30:57INCENTIVE TO DO BETTER. AND

1:30:59WON'T THIS BE SHAMING THESE

1:31:00OLDER BUILDINGS? AND WHAT'S

1:31:02FASCINATING, WHEN WE HAVE THE

1:31:03DATA AND THIS IS PRETTY

1:31:04CONSISTENT ACROSS THE US, THE

1:31:06HIGHEST PERFORMING BUILDINGS

1:31:07ARE BEFORE WE START

1:31:08CONDITIONING THEM IN THE 1940S.

1:31:10SO WHEN WE LOOK AT LIKE WHEN WE

1:31:12HAVE MODERN BUILDING ENERGY

1:31:13CODES SINCE 2010, THE

1:31:15PERFORMANCE OF THOSE MODERN

1:31:16BUILDINGS IS VERY SIMILAR TO

1:31:18THOSE FROM 1882 THROUGH 1920S.

1:31:21>> IT'S THE BUILDINGS IN THE

1:31:22MIDDLE THAT WE HAVE PROBLEMS

1:31:24WITH.

1:31:24>> YEAH, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE

1:31:25COOLED.

1:31:29>> I WOULD LOVE AS WE MOVE

1:31:31FORWARD WITH THESE DISCUSSIONS,

1:31:32TO JUST LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE

1:31:33ABOUT THE PILOT AND WHAT WE

1:31:35LEARNED THROUGH THOSE BUILDINGS

1:31:36TO HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW THIS

1:31:38PROGRAM WILL WORK MOVING

1:31:40FORWARD. I HAVE A QUESTION

1:31:45ABOUT INSTITUTIONS. DO WE KNOW

1:31:47VERY MUCH AND MAYBE OUR

1:31:49PANELISTS ONLINE COULD HELP

1:31:50WITH THIS. DO WE KNOW VERY MUCH

1:31:51ABOUT HOW INSTITUTIONS WERE

1:31:52TREATED IN OTHER MAJOR CITIES,

1:31:55AND WHAT ALLOWANCES WERE NEEDED

1:31:59FOR OUR LARGE HEALTH CARE AND

1:32:03EDUCATION SETTINGS TO, TO BE A

1:32:05PART OF THIS PROGRAM IN A WAY

1:32:07THAT THAT WORKS FOR THOSE TYPES

1:32:09OF THOSE TYPES OF CAMPUSES.

1:32:15>> I COULD SHARE SOMETHING, BUT

1:32:17QUENTIN, DO YOU WANT TO SHARE

1:32:18THE. YEAH.

1:32:19>> ZONDERVAN. DID YOU HAVE

1:32:20SOMETHING THERE?

1:32:22>> YEAH, CERTAINLY. HAPPY TO

1:32:23SPEAK TO THAT. AS I MENTIONED

1:32:25IN MY REMARKS, THERE WAS

1:32:28INITIAL OPPOSITION FROM HARVARD

1:32:30AND MIT WHO OWN A LOT OF

1:32:34PROPERTY IN CAMBRIDGE. WHEN WE

1:32:37PULLED IN THE DEADLINE FOR THE

1:32:39LARGEST BUILDINGS TO BE 2035.

1:32:43AND THAT TOOK ABOUT TWO YEARS

1:32:46TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH

1:32:47THEM. BUT ULTIMATELY, WE WERE

1:32:50ABLE TO LAND ON A POLICY THAT

1:32:53THEY WERE HAPPY WITH, AND THAT

1:32:56INCLUDED A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY

1:32:59MECHANISMS, INCLUDING, AS I

1:33:01MENTIONED, CARBON CREDITS, THE

1:33:03CAMPUS DESIGNATION. WE ALSO

1:33:07DESIGNED A DEFERRAL MECHANISM

1:33:10WHERE THEY COULD ESSENTIALLY.

1:33:14SO WE WE DID INCLUDE A

1:33:17ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE FEE OF

1:33:19$234 A TON. AND SO IN THEORY,

1:33:22THEY WOULD OWE THAT AMOUNT AT

1:33:26THE END OF THE COMPLIANCE

1:33:28PERIOD IF THEY DIDN'T MEET THE

1:33:31DESIGNATED TARGETS. BUT THROUGH

1:33:33THIS DEFERRAL MECHANISM, THEY

1:33:35COULD RECEIVE A DEFERRAL ON

1:33:37PAYING THOSE FEES IN EXCHANGE

1:33:40FOR PRESENTING A PLAN THAT HAS

1:33:42TO BE APPROVED BY THE ADVISORY

1:33:44COUNCIL. AND THAT PLAN WOULD

1:33:47ALLOW THEM TO SAY IN THREE

1:33:50YEARS OR FOUR YEARS, WE'RE

1:33:52GOING TO MAKE THESE MAJOR

1:33:53UPGRADES, AND WE CALCULATE THAT

1:33:54IT WILL REDUCE OUR EMISSIONS

1:33:57BEYOND WHAT WILL BE REQUIRED AT

1:34:00THAT POINT. AND IF THEY MEET

1:34:04THOSE. YOU KNOW, SORT OF

1:34:09PROSPECTIVE EMISSIONS

1:34:10REDUCTIONS, THEN THEY DON'T

1:34:12HAVE TO PAY THOSE FEES. BUT IF

1:34:14THEY FAIL TO MEET THOSE

1:34:17REDUCTIONS, THEN THEY HAVE TO

1:34:18PAY THE FEE PLUS A 10% PENALTY

1:34:20FOR NOT MEETING THOSE

1:34:24REDUCTIONS. AND THEY REALLY

1:34:26LIKE THOSE PROVISIONS BECAUSE

1:34:27IT ALLOWS THEM TO PLAN AHEAD

1:34:30SEVERAL YEARS. AND EVEN THOUGH

1:34:33THEY DON'T MEET THE

1:34:35REQUIREMENTS IN THE COMPLIANCE

1:34:36YEAR, THEY CAN DEFER THE

1:34:39PAYMENT OF THOSE FEES AND CATCH

1:34:43UP IN A FEW YEARS IF THE CITY

1:34:46APPROVES THEIR PLAN.

1:34:48>> SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS

1:34:50ESSENTIALLY AN ALTERNATE TRACK

1:34:52FOR THOSE INSTITUTIONS WITH THE

1:34:54ABILITY TO DO THINGS ON A

1:34:56TIMELINE THAT IS MORE IN LINE

1:34:58WITH THE THE INSTITUTIONAL

1:35:00PLANNING THAT'S REQUIRED IN

1:35:02SPACES LIKE THAT. IS THAT

1:35:03CORRECT?

1:35:04>> YEAH. THE THOSE PROVISIONS

1:35:06ARE NOT SPECIFIC TO THOSE

1:35:08INSTITUTIONS. AND SO, YOU KNOW,

1:35:10THEORETICALLY, ANYONE COULD

1:35:12TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT

1:35:13PROVISION. BUT THEY WERE

1:35:16PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN

1:35:17THOSE PROVISIONS BECAUSE THEY

1:35:19DO THAT TYPE OF LONG TERM

1:35:21PLANNING.

1:35:21>> OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. THAT

1:35:22WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK

1:35:24WOULD BE INTERESTING TO LEARN

1:35:25MORE ABOUT. THANK YOU, MR.

1:35:28POTTY. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING

1:35:30TO ADD AS WELL? AND I APOLOGIZE

1:35:32IF I MISPRONOUNCED YOUR NAME

1:35:33THERE.

1:35:34>> THAT'S QUITE ALL RIGHT.

1:35:35KUDOS TO YOU FOR GETTING ON THE

1:35:37FIRST TRY. WHAT I WAS GOING TO

1:35:39SAY, COUNCIL MEMBER, IN REGARDS

1:35:40TO FOLLOW UP ON QUENTIN'S

1:35:42RESPONSE, I BELIEVE I HEARD YOU

1:35:44ASK LIKE, HOW ARE HOSPITALS OR

1:35:46INSTITUTIONAL BUILDINGS

1:35:47COMPLYING WITH BTS? HOW HAVE

1:35:49OTHER JURISDICTIONS WITH A BTS

1:35:51ASSUAGE THEIR CONCERNS? A

1:35:53COUPLE REMARKS, OKAY. A COUPLE

1:35:55OF REMARKS I WOULD HAVE TO THAT

1:35:57IS BROAD STROKES. SO TYPICALLY,

1:35:59OTHER JURISDICTIONS ADDRESS

1:36:00THOSE CONCERNS MAINLY THROUGH

1:36:02TAILORED COMPLIANCE PLANS. SO

1:36:05REALLY OFFERING GREATER

1:36:08FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE BUCKET.

1:36:09THAT IS ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE

1:36:11PATHWAYS. BASICALLY AN

1:36:12ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE PATHWAY

1:36:13IS JUST AN ALTERNATE TO MEETING

1:36:15THE ACTUAL PERFORMANCE PATHWAY

1:36:17OR THE PERFORMANCE TARGET. AND

1:36:18HOW CPS ARE DEFINED CAN BE CAN

1:36:22VARY BY JURISDICTION. ALSO,

1:36:25JURISDICTIONS HAVE ADDRESSED

1:36:25THESE CONCERNS BY CAMPUS WIDE

1:36:27ACCOUNTING AND SPECIFIC

1:36:29ALLOWANCES FOR CRITICAL

1:36:30OPERATIONS. SO I GUESS TWO

1:36:33LOCATIONS THAT I WOULD CITE AS

1:36:35EXAMPLES WOULD BE SEATTLE AND

1:36:38BOSTON. SO IN SEATTLE, HOW

1:36:40HOSPITALS AND INSTITUTIONS CAN

1:36:42COMPLY IS THAT DISTRICT

1:36:44CAMPUSES CAN SUBMIT WHAT THEY

1:36:46CALL CUSTOMIZED DECARBONIZATION

1:36:48PLANS, AND THEY'RE MEANT TO

1:36:49DELIVER CUMULATIVE EMISSIONS

1:36:52REDUCTIONS EQUAL OR GREATER

1:36:53THAN THE STANDARD PATHWAY. AND

1:36:55THEN ELIGIBLE DEDUCTIONS

1:36:57INCLUDE EMERGENCY GENERATORS,

1:37:00HOSPITAL EMERGENCY BACKUP HEAT,

1:37:02OR THINGS LIKE HOSPITAL LAUNDRY.

1:37:04AND THE WAY THAT APPROACH

1:37:05ADDRESSED THEIR CONCERNS WAS

1:37:08THAT IT ACCOMMODATES CENTRAL

1:37:10PLANS, CENTRAL PLANTS, I'M

1:37:11SORRY, AND PHASED CAPITAL

1:37:14PROJECTS, WHILE DISTINGUISHING

1:37:15THOSE CRITICAL ENERGY USES FROM

1:37:18ORDINARY BUILDING LOADS. SO

1:37:19ESSENTIALLY, SEATTLE HAS ALSO

1:37:22HELD FOCUSED HOSPITAL AND

1:37:24LABORATORY CAMPUS RULEMAKING

1:37:25MEETINGS. AFTER THEY PASSED THE

1:37:27POLICY AND THEY MOVED TOWARDS

1:37:28THE REGULATORY DEVELOPMENT,

1:37:31THEY HAD ADDITIONAL STAKEHOLDER

1:37:33MEETINGS AND FOCUS GROUPS WITH

1:37:36HOSPITALS, LABS, AND CAMPUSES.

1:37:38AND THEN SPECIFIC TO BOSTON,

1:37:42SAME OWNER BUILDINGS CAN

1:37:43COMPRISE A PORTFOLIO. OWNERS

1:37:46MAY APPLY FOR LIKE INDIVIDUAL

1:37:48SCHEDULES, BUT THERE'S ALSO

1:37:51SPECIFIC HARDSHIP PLANS AND

1:37:52CRITERIA THAT BOSTON HAS IN

1:37:54PLACE THAT ADDRESSES ELIGIBLE

1:37:56TECHNICAL OR FINANCIAL

1:37:57CONSTRAINTS. SO FOR BOSTON,

1:37:59THEY'RE ALLOWING INSTITUTIONS

1:38:01TO SEQUENCE THE INVESTMENTS

1:38:02ACROSS BUILDINGS AND THEN SEEK

1:38:04LIKE INDIVIDUAL REVIEWED

1:38:07ADJUSTMENTS.

1:38:08>> OKAY. THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.

1:38:09I THINK THE THE ALLOWANCES FOR,

1:38:15I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS

1:38:16EMERGENCY OPERATIONS OR MAJOR

1:38:18OPERATIONS. THOSE BACKUP

1:38:21SYSTEMS IS A REALLY INTERESTING

1:38:23THING TO HEAR ABOUT. I REALLY

1:38:26APPRECIATE THAT.

1:38:27>> YEAH. THE LAST THING I'LL

1:38:28SAY ABOUT BOSTON IS AND QUENTIN

1:38:30RECOGNIZES THIS BECAUSE HE'S HE

1:38:31USED TO BE ADJACENT TO BOSTON.

1:38:33BUT AS WE KNOW, LIKE BOSTON,

1:38:35CAMBRIDGE, SOMERVILLE, ALL YOU

1:38:37KNOW, BOSTON, THE BOSTON AREA

1:38:39HAS A VERY STRONG HEALTH CARE

1:38:41DISTRICT. AND SO BOSTON CREATED

1:38:44A HEALTHCARE DISTRICT ENERGY

1:38:46WORKING GROUP. IT'S NO LONGER

1:38:48ACTIVE, BUT THAT WORKING GROUP

1:38:51WAS INFLUENTIAL DURING THE

1:38:53RULEMAKING PROCESS TO HELP

1:38:55ASSUAGE SOME OF THOSE LONGER

1:38:57THOSE LONGER TERM CONCERNS THAT

1:38:59HOSPITALS AND INSTITUTIONAL

1:39:01GROUPS HAD. SO THAT IS ALSO, I

1:39:03THINK RULEMAKING IS STAKEHOLDER

1:39:06ENGAGEMENT IS INHERENT TO THE

1:39:07NEXT STEP AFTER ADOPTION, WHICH

1:39:09IS RULEMAKING. AND THAT'S

1:39:10ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WHERE THE

1:39:12JURISDICTION CONSIDER LIKE A

1:39:13BROAD STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT

1:39:15PLAN, COUPLED WITH MORE

1:39:16NARROWED WORKING GROUPS ON

1:39:18SPECIFIC PROPERTY TYPES WHO ARE

1:39:19GOING TO HAVE THESE MORE UNIQUE

1:39:22CIRCUMSTANCES IN ORDER TO MEET

1:39:23THE HEART STANDARDS OR THE

1:39:26STANDARDS, I SHOULD SAY.

1:39:28>> THANK YOU. THAT'S REALLY

1:39:29HELPFUL. AND IT SOUNDS IN A FEW

1:39:31THINGS THAT YOU HAVE SAID AND

1:39:33THAT OTHERS HAVE SAID AS WELL,

1:39:34LIKE THAT STAKEHOLDER

1:39:35ENGAGEMENT AND MAKING SURE WE

1:39:37FIGURE OUT HOW THIS CAN

1:39:38ACTUALLY WORK AND BE

1:39:39IMPLEMENTABLE IN DIFFERENT

1:39:40INDUSTRIES WILL BE REALLY

1:39:41IMPORTANT. I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT

1:39:43THERE'S TESTIMONY SUBMITTED OR

1:39:45I GUESS NOT TESTIMONY, BUT A

1:39:48DOCUMENT SUBMITTED FROM THE

1:39:51OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY IN THE

1:39:52CITY OF SEATTLE THAT NOTES THAT

1:39:54THEY ENDED UP GETTING UNANIMOUS

1:39:56SUPPORT, IN PART BECAUSE OF A

1:39:58LOT OF GROUNDWORK THAT WAS DONE

1:40:00TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO

1:40:01MAKE THE STANDARDS MEET THE

1:40:04NEEDS OF SUSTAINABILITY GOALS,

1:40:05WHILE ALSO WORKING FOR A

1:40:08VARIETY OF STAKEHOLDERS. SO I'M,

1:40:10I'M TAKING NOTE THAT THAT'S AN

1:40:11IMPORTANT PART OF THE WORK THAT

1:40:13WE WILL CERTAINLY NEED TO

1:40:15CONTINUE TO DO AS WE MOVE

1:40:16FORWARD WITH FIGURING OUT THE

1:40:17BEST WAY TO DO THIS IN OUR CITY.

1:40:19THANK YOU ALL. I APPRECIATE THE

1:40:21ANSWERS. I HAVE A FEW MORE

1:40:23QUESTIONS WRITTEN DOWN, BUT

1:40:24I'LL PAUSE HERE TO MAKE SURE WE

1:40:25HAVE TIME FOR OTHERS AS WELL.

1:40:27THANK YOU, CHAIR.

1:40:28>> VICE CHAIR GREEN.

1:40:31>> THANK YOU, CHAIR AVALOS.

1:40:32THANKS FOR LEADING ON THIS

1:40:35POLICY. I THINK IT'S CRITICAL

1:40:36FOR OUR, YOU KNOW, SORT OF

1:40:39PUTTING A STAKE IN THE GROUND.

1:40:41IS PORTLAND A CLIMATE LEADER OR

1:40:42NOT? YOU KNOW. SO I THINK THIS

1:40:44IS A BIG PIECE OF IT. I THINK

1:40:46YOU TOUCHED ON SOMETHING A

1:40:47LITTLE EARLIER. YOU MENTIONED

1:40:48THE KIND OF ELIGIBILITY FOR

1:40:50CERTAIN ENERGY EFFICIENCY

1:40:52GRANTS, AND I WANTED TO TIE

1:40:54THAT TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT

1:40:55BECAUSE AN EARLIER CONVERSATION,

1:40:57MAKE SURE I'M TRACKING THIS

1:40:58CORRECTLY. SO ECHO NORTHWEST

1:41:00DID SOME ANALYSIS ON NET IMPACT

1:41:02TO TENANTS IN WHAT YEAR.

1:41:05>> AND THE ANALYSIS STARTED, I

1:41:07BELIEVE AT THE BEGINNING OF

1:41:092024, WE MIGHT HAVE ENGAGED

1:41:10THEM IN 2023, BUT IT WAS

1:41:12COMPLETED IN 2025.

1:41:14>> OKAY. AND SO THEN SO THAT'S

1:41:16A RELATIVELY RECENT. SO THAT

1:41:19NET IMPACT TO TENANTS DID THAT

1:41:21CONSIDER, I MEAN, WHAT WE WOULD

1:41:22REFER TO AS LIKE WARM RENT, SO

1:41:24RENT PLUS UTILITIES, OR IS IT

1:41:26JUST RENT.

1:41:26>> RENT PLUS UTILITIES?

1:41:28>> RIGHT. AND THAT'S PROBABLY

1:41:29WHY THEY FOUND THAT THERE'S NO

1:41:30NET IMPACT IS BECAUSE OVER THE

1:41:32LONG HAUL, YOU SEE THAT THIS

1:41:35LOWERS THEIR NET UTILITY BILLS.

1:41:38SO IF THEY'RE SEEING SOME

1:41:40UPWARD RENT PRESSURE FROM THE

1:41:42COST OF UPGRADING THE BUILDING,

1:41:43THAT'S OFFSET BY THE THE

1:41:45REDUCTION IN UTILITY BILLS. IS

1:41:48THAT THE RIGHT WAY TO THINK

1:41:49ABOUT IT?

1:41:50>> THAT IS AND THERE IS A

1:41:52SUMMARY OF THEIR DISCUSSION

1:41:53SPECIFICALLY AROUND NATURALLY

1:41:55OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

1:41:56AND TO YOUR POINT, THE

1:42:00CONCLUSION IS THAT GIVEN THIS

1:42:02LONG COMPLIANCE PERIOD, THAT

1:42:06OWNERS WOULD NOT READILY

1:42:09RECOVER THEIR INVESTMENTS TO

1:42:12COMPLY, EXCEPT IN THE CASE WHEN

1:42:15IT'S WELL KNOWN BY BOTH THE

1:42:16RENTER AND THE OWNER, THAT

1:42:18UTILITY BILLS HAVE GONE DOWN.

1:42:19AND THAT GOES BACK TO, AS I

1:42:21MENTIONED EARLIER, THE ABILITY

1:42:22TO PAY. SO IT'S KNOWN THAT THE

1:42:23TENANT IS NOW HAS A HEAT PUMP

1:42:25THAT'S SAVING THEM $50 A MONTH.

1:42:27IT'S KNOWN BY BOTH PARTIES.

1:42:28THEN THAT RECOVERY OF $50 A

1:42:30MONTH COULD HAPPEN.

1:42:31>> OKAY. AND WHEN THEY DID THIS

1:42:37ANALYSIS, DID THEY LOOK AT LIKE,

1:42:39HOW DID THEY ESTIMATE SORT OF,

1:42:41AND I'M SORRY, I'M GETTING

1:42:42SUPER TECHNICAL, BUT HOW DID

1:42:44THEY ESTIMATE LIKE UTILITY

1:42:46BILLS?

1:42:48>> YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT

1:42:49QUESTION. AND IT'S A GOOD

1:42:51TECHNICAL QUESTION. I DON'T

1:42:52HAVE THE EXACT ANSWER FOR YOU

1:42:55AT THIS TIME, BUT THEY WORKED

1:42:57WITH THE COST ESTIMATOR ON THE.

1:43:02ESTIMATING THE EQUIPMENT COSTS

1:43:05FOR THE REDUCTION IN UTILITY

1:43:09BILLS. THEY ALSO WORKED WITH

1:43:11ZGF IN TOWN, AN ARCHITECT, AND

1:43:14I THINK MAYBE THEY PROVIDED

1:43:16THAT DATA TO THEM.

1:43:17>> OKAY.

1:43:18>> WE CAN FOLLOW UP. YEAH.

1:43:19>> THAT'D BE HELPFUL. IN A

1:43:22PREVIOUS LIFE, I USED TO BE A

1:43:24FORECASTER FOR A LARGE UTILITY,

1:43:26AND THE WAY THAT IT WORKS IS,

1:43:28GENERALLY SPEAKING, UTILITY

1:43:31PLANS BASED UPON THE PEAKEDNESS

1:43:33OF THEIR LOAD OVER THE COURSE

1:43:35OF A YEAR. AND SO IF YOU HAVE

1:43:37CLIMATE CHANGE HAPPENING, YOU

1:43:38HAVE A SITUATION WHERE PORTLAND

1:43:41HOUSEHOLDS HAVE TO TURN ON THE

1:43:41HEAT MORE OFTEN THAN THEY USED

1:43:43TO OR, OR TURN ON THE AIR

1:43:45CONDITIONING MORE OFTEN THAN

1:43:46THEY USED TO. THAT INCREASES

1:43:47WHAT'S CALLED HEATING DEGREE

1:43:49DAYS, WHICH THEN DRIVES YOUR

1:43:50PEAKS UP. AND SO IF YOU'VE GOT

1:43:52A SITUATION WHERE A BUILDING

1:43:54CODE STANDARD OR SORT OF A

1:43:56STANDARD LIKE THIS SORT OF

1:43:58CREATES A REGULATORY CAP ON

1:44:02OVERALL EMISSIONS, THAT'S GOING

1:44:03TO REDUCE THOSE HEATING DEGREE

1:44:05DAYS AND COOLING DEGREE DEGREE

1:44:07DAYS, AND THAT'S GOING TO

1:44:08FLATTEN OUT YOUR LOAD FORECAST.

1:44:09AND SO I DO THINK I DON'T KNOW

1:44:11IF THAT WENT INTO THAT ANALYSIS,

1:44:12BUT I THINK THAT'S SORT OF

1:44:14BULLISH FOR THE CASE. AND ALSO

1:44:17THERE'S PROBABLY A FEEDBACK

1:44:18LOOP WHEREBY UTILITY BILLS

1:44:19THEMSELVES GET LOWER BECAUSE

1:44:21THE UTILITIES DON'T NEED TO DO

1:44:23AS EXPENSIVE AS UPGRADES THAT

1:44:24WE MIGHT HAVE OTHERWISE HAD TO

1:44:26DO IN THE ABSENCE OF THIS

1:44:27POLICY FRAMEWORK. SO I THINK

1:44:29THAT THERE'S IF WE'RE NOT

1:44:30CAPTURING THAT FULL COST AND

1:44:32BENEFIT PICTURE, THEN WE I

1:44:33THINK WE MIGHT BE UNDERSTATING

1:44:34THE BENEFITS TO ALL PARTIES

1:44:36FROM, FROM THE STUDY. AND SO

1:44:38I'LL LOOK FOR ANY DETAILS THAT

1:44:40MAYBE EXIST IN THE RECORD.

1:44:41MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME FIND

1:44:43THOSE BEFORE THIS COMES TO A

1:44:44VOTE. BUT I'D BE CURIOUS IN

1:44:47STITCHING ALL THAT TOGETHER FOR

1:44:48THE REST OF OUR COLLEAGUES WHO

1:44:50ARE NOT ON THIS COMMITTEE.

1:44:51>> SURE. THAT'S A VERY GOOD

1:44:53POINT. AND THAT IS REMINDING ME

1:44:55THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE UTILITY

1:44:57BILL REDUCTIONS BECAUSE OF

1:44:58HIGHER EFFICIENT EQUIPMENT, BUT

1:45:00ALSO THEY LOOKED AT RATES AND

1:45:02ASSUMED RATE TRENDS BASED ON A

1:45:03CERTAIN TIME FRAME IN THE 2020S.

1:45:06>> YEAH.

1:45:07>> I THINK THIS IS A YEAH. AND

1:45:09THEN, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW,

1:45:10LOOKING AT THE CIP FOR CF RIGHT

1:45:13NOW, THERE'S JUST A NUMBER OF

1:45:14OPPORTUNITIES TO APPLY FOR

1:45:16THESE GRANTS TO OFFSET THESE

1:45:18COSTS AS WELL. SO AND YOU

1:45:19ALREADY MENTIONED THAT. SO I

1:45:21THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS.

1:45:24>> COUNCILOR. KOYAMA LANE.

1:45:28>> HI, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

1:45:30I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR

1:45:33REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COUNTY,

1:45:35ANDREA, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE,

1:45:37BECAUSE OFTENTIMES ON THIS DAIS,

1:45:39WE'RE THINKING ABOUT CITY

1:45:41COUNTY COLLABORATION MORE IN

1:45:43TERMS OF HOMELESSNESS RESPONSE.

1:45:45AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN

1:45:48SPEAK AT ALL TO HOW WE CAN DO,

1:45:50HOW WE CAN BE BETTER PARTNERS

1:45:51ON CLIMATE ISSUES. AND IF THERE

1:45:53ARE GAPS OR OPPORTUNITIES, YOU

1:45:55SEE.

1:45:56>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I

1:45:57DON'T HAVE AN IMMEDIATE ANSWER

1:45:59FOR YOU, BUT I'D LOVE TO

1:46:00CONNECT WITH YOUR YOUR TEAM AND

1:46:02TALK MORE ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES

1:46:04UPCOMING. OKAY. TO BE BRIEF.

1:46:09>> OKAY.

1:46:10>> AND THEN I HAD A QUESTION

1:46:12FOR TARYN, IF THAT'S OKAY. IS

1:46:15THAT OKAY? SO I UNDERSTAND THAT

1:46:19THAT YOU ACTUALLY WERE PART OF

1:46:20THE BUILD SHIFT COLLECTIVE. YES.

1:46:23THAT HELPED DEVELOP THE CLIMATE

1:46:24AND HEALTH STANDARDS FOR

1:46:26EXISTING BUILDINGS. AND I'M

1:46:27WONDERING IF YOU CAN SPEAK A

1:46:28LITTLE BIT TO WHY, WHY IT WAS

1:46:31IMPORTANT FOR COMMUNITY THAT

1:46:32THE BUILDING PERFORMANCE

1:46:33STANDARDS WERE PAIRED WITH

1:46:35TENANT FOCUSED POLICIES IN THE

1:46:37PROPOSAL.

1:46:38>> YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT

1:46:39QUESTION. SO WE BUILD SHIFT MET

1:46:43OVER THE COURSE OF, I BELIEVE

1:46:44IT WAS LIKE 2 OR 3 YEARS OR SO.

1:46:47WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS

1:46:48WITH THE TEAM AS WELL AS

1:46:51SEVERAL LIKE LARGER COMMUNITY

1:46:52CONVENINGS. AND THAT WAS A

1:46:54CONCERN THAT WE REPEATEDLY

1:46:56HEARD THAT PEOPLE, OF COURSE,

1:46:58WANTED THEIR HOUSING TO BE

1:46:59HEALTHIER, MORE EFFICIENT, BUT

1:47:01THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT

1:47:02POTENTIAL DISPLACEMENT. AND SO

1:47:05THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE

1:47:06WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS, YOU

1:47:07KNOW, CENTERED IN THIS POLICY

1:47:09AND THAT THERE WERE MEASURES IN

1:47:11THERE TO TO MITIGATE POTENTIAL

1:47:12DISPLACEMENT THAT COULD OCCUR.

1:47:15>> THANK YOU. AND THAT'S ALL

1:47:17THAT POPPED UP FOR ME FOR NOW.

1:47:20>> COUNCILOR. NOVICK.

1:47:22>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I

1:47:23THINK THIS QUESTION IS FOR BEN

1:47:25AND ANDREA AGAIN, THERE'S

1:47:26SOMETHING I FORGOT TO ASK,

1:47:27WHICH I'M JUST INTENSELY

1:47:28PERSONALLY CURIOUS ABOUT. I

1:47:31THINK YOUR PROPOSED CARBON

1:47:32POLLUTION IMPACT FEE IS SET AT

1:47:35$380 PER TON. AND IN MY LAST

1:47:38JOB IN THIS COALITION OF 120

1:47:40LAWYERS FROM A BUNCH OF

1:47:41DIFFERENT STATE AG'S OFFICE

1:47:42AROUND THE COUNTRY, I WAS THE

1:47:44SOCIAL COST OF CARBON GUY. AND

1:47:47THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, AS

1:47:48YOU PROBABLY KNOW, SET SAID

1:47:51THAT THE COST OF CARBON IMPOSES

1:47:52ON THE WORLD IS $50 PER TON,

1:47:54WHICH WAS OBSCENELY LOW. AND

1:47:55THEN TRUMP TRIED TO CUT IT TO

1:47:58$7 A TON. AND THEN THE BIDEN

1:47:59ADMINISTRATION RAISED IT TO 190

1:48:01A TON, WHICH IS BETTER. BUT IT

1:48:02STILL LEAVES OUT A LOT OF

1:48:04THINGS THEY SAID THEY COULDN'T

1:48:05MEASURE, LIKE THE COST OF

1:48:07WILDFIRES. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS

1:48:09HOW YOU GOT TO THE 380. WHAT

1:48:11FACTORS DO YOU LOOK AT?

1:48:13>> ANDREA? JACOB, FOR THE

1:48:15RECORD? COUNCILOR, I'D LIKE TO

1:48:16DEFER TO TO TO CHAIR AVALOS,

1:48:18SINCE THAT NUMBER DID NOT COME

1:48:19FROM BTS.

1:48:23>> WELL, THE REFERENCE.

1:48:24>> DID THE REFERENCE, NOT THE

1:48:25NUMBER. THE 380 DID NOT COME

1:48:27FROM US. BUT IF YOU WANT TO

1:48:29SPEAK TO THE.

1:48:29>> YEAH. SO IN THE DRAFT THAT

1:48:32WE PREPARED THE FROM THE BASED

1:48:33ON THE STAFF PROPOSAL, WE

1:48:35LOOKED AT THE SOCIAL COST OF

1:48:37CARBON AS ONE FACTOR, BUT ALSO

1:48:39OTHER FACTORS LIKE INFLATION.

1:48:41BUT REALLY IMPORTANTLY IS DOES

1:48:42THIS INCENTIVIZE RETROFITS? IS

1:48:47IT HIGH ENOUGH TO INCENTIVIZE

1:48:48REDUCING EMISSIONS BECAUSE THE

1:48:50GOAL IS NOT TO RAISE REVENUE

1:48:52THROUGH FEES. THE GOAL IS

1:48:53REALLY TO GET TO ZERO CARBON

1:48:55EMISSIONS. SO WE SHARED AN EPA

1:48:58RESOURCE THAT I BELIEVE ALL THE

1:48:59OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE CARBON

1:49:01PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ALSO

1:49:02REFERENCE OR EARLIER DRAFTS OF

1:49:03IT. IT'S A 2023 EPA SOCIAL COST

1:49:07OF GREENHOUSE GASES IN THEIR

1:49:09TABLE. 4.1.1, YOU CAN SEE A

1:49:13VARIETY OF SCENARIOS FROM 2030

1:49:15TO 2050 AND BEYOND FOR

1:49:17DIFFERENT DISCOUNT RATES AND A

1:49:20FEE OR COST OF CARBON

1:49:22ASSOCIATED WITH EACH ONE. SO WE

1:49:24REFER TO THAT AS A GREAT

1:49:26RESOURCE FOR THE COUNCIL'S

1:49:28CONSIDERATION. AND THEN AS AS

1:49:31WE REFER TO IT, WE ALSO NOTED

1:49:32THAT THESE UTILITY DISCOUNT OR

1:49:34THE DISCOUNT RATE IS

1:49:36ESSENTIALLY HOW MUCH DO YOU

1:49:37VALUE THE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT

1:49:38CLIMATE NOW VERSUS HAVING TO

1:49:40DEAL WITH IT LATER. AND SO THE

1:49:41HIGHER VALUE WITHIN THAT TABLE

1:49:44IS ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS

1:49:46EARLIER RATHER THAN WAITING

1:49:47TILL LATER.

1:49:48>> OKAY, THAT'S MUSIC TO MY

1:49:50EARS. I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A

1:49:52STRONG ARGUMENT FOR HAVING NO

1:49:54DISCOUNT RATE WHATSOEVER

1:49:55BECAUSE FUTURE DURATIONS MATTER

1:49:56AS MUCH AS WE DO. WHAT THE

1:49:59BIDEN ADMINISTRATION DID

1:50:00SPECIFICALLY WAS THEY DROPPED

1:50:01THE DISCOUNT RATE FROM 3% TO 2%.

1:50:05IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING SORT OF

1:50:07REFLECTS GOING BELOW THAT AND

1:50:08HAVING IT MORE LIKE 1% OR

1:50:09SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

1:50:11>> SIMILAR. SO WE DIDN'T SELECT

1:50:13ANY SPECIFIC VALUE, BUT AS WE

1:50:16SHARED THE REFERENCE, THE

1:50:17REFERENCE DOES HAVE A RANGE OF

1:50:19ONE AND A HALF TO 2 TO 2.5%,

1:50:21AND THEN HAS A SOCIAL COST OF

1:50:23CARBON FOR EACH OF THOSE

1:50:25DISCOUNT RATES. AND I BELIEVE

1:50:27IT'S THE 1.5% THAT RESULTED IN

1:50:30$380 PER TON.

1:50:32>> THANK YOU. BY THE WAY, JUST

1:50:35TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT USING A

1:50:373% DISCOUNT RATE, WHICH THE

1:50:38OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WAS USING

1:50:40AND ASSUMING THE COST OF HUMAN

1:50:42LIFE IS $10 MILLION, WHICH IS

1:50:43WHAT THE US GOVERNMENT

1:50:44CURRENTLY SAYS UNDER THE OBAMA

1:50:46DISCOUNT RATE, AN EVENT CAUSING

1:50:48THE EXTINCTION OF ALL HUMAN

1:50:50LIFE 500 YEARS FROM NOW WOULD

1:50:51HAVE BEEN VALUED AT $29 BILLION

1:50:53AND WOULD BE CONSIDERED

1:50:55ECONOMICALLY INEFFICIENT AND

1:50:55SPEND $30 BILLION TO PREVENT

1:50:57THAT. SO THAT'S THE IMPACT OF

1:50:59THESE VARIOUS USING DIFFERENT

1:51:01DISCOUNT RATES. THANK YOU.

1:51:04>> GOOD TO KNOW. WE'VE GOT SOME

1:51:06OF THAT EXPERTISE ON COUNCIL WE

1:51:08CAN TAP. YEAH. YOU GUYS CAN

1:51:14RATTLE OFF WITH THAT. OKAY,

1:51:17GREAT. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER

1:51:19FOLKS IN THE QUEUE. WE'VE GOT

1:51:20ABOUT SIX MORE MINUTES. IF

1:51:22THERE ARE FOLKS THAT WANT TO

1:51:23HOP IN. AND I CAN ALSO MAKE A

1:51:25COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS. YEAH.

1:51:29ULTIMATELY, I THINK WHERE WE'RE

1:51:32AT IS WE DID FILE THE

1:51:35LEGISLATION AT NOON TODAY SO

1:51:37THAT IT WILL BE IN ON DURING

1:51:40OUR OCTOBER 20TH MEETING. I

1:51:43HAVE INFORMED YOU ALL ABOUT

1:51:45CERTAIN CHANGES THAT WE HAVE

1:51:46MADE IN RECENT WEEKS. DUE TO

1:51:48SOME QUESTIONS. I THINK THE

1:51:49BIGGEST AREAS AROUND

1:51:51ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE PATHWAYS

1:51:53WHERE WHAT WE'VE BEEN

1:51:55WORKSHOPPING. AND THEN

1:51:57ULTIMATELY, YEAH, I'M LOOKING

1:51:59FORWARD TO BRINGING THAT IN TWO

1:52:01WEEKS. I THINK THAT WHAT I'M

1:52:03WHAT I'VE HEARD OF THE

1:52:04CONVERSATION HERE, I GUESS I

1:52:05WOULD JUST ASK IF COUNCILORS

1:52:07HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS, COME

1:52:09CHAT WITH ME IF THERE ARE OTHER

1:52:10CONCERNS THAT MIGHT REQUIRE A

1:52:13TECHNICAL ADJUSTMENT. I'M OPEN

1:52:15TO THAT. AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY

1:52:16SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO BRING IT

1:52:18BACK ON THE 20TH. IF WE NEED TO

1:52:21MAKE ANY FURTHER AMENDMENTS. I

1:52:24THINK THAT AND YOU KIND OF

1:52:26SPOKE TO IT. COUNCILOR NOVICK.

1:52:27OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE LOTS OF

1:52:28DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAT HAVE

1:52:29COME IN THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF

1:52:31THEM ARE TECHNICAL AND SOME OF

1:52:32THEM ARE POLICY DIFFERENCES

1:52:34THAT WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO

1:52:35AGREE, AGREE ON. AND SO I'M

1:52:37THANKFUL, THOUGH, TO THE

1:52:38PARTNERS THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING

1:52:40WITH, AND I'VE BEEN VERY

1:52:41TRANSPARENT WITH THEM ABOUT

1:52:42WHERE I'M AT, WHERE I THOUGHT

1:52:43THERE WERE TECHNICAL ISSUES AND

1:52:44WHERE THERE WERE POLICY

1:52:46DISAGREEMENTS, INCLUDING

1:52:47WANTING AN EXEMPTION OF HIGHER

1:52:49EDUCATION, TO WHICH I DON'T

1:52:50AGREE. AND I'VE STATED THAT

1:52:52PRETTY CLEARLY, AND I'VE SHARED

1:52:53MY REASONING AND HAVE MADE A

1:52:54BUNCH OF ADJUSTMENTS TO ADDRESS

1:52:56THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN

1:52:58BROUGHT. BUT I THINK THOSE ARE

1:53:00THE ONGOING QUESTIONS THAT WE

1:53:01HAVE AS WE CONTINUE THIS, AND

1:53:03WE'LL BRING IT ON THE 20TH. I

1:53:05SEE THAT I'VE GOT RAJEEV. DID

1:53:06YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON

1:53:08SOMETHING I SAID.

1:53:10>> I DID COUNCIL MEMBER AVALOS

1:53:12AND APOLOGIES IF I'M BUTCHERING

1:53:13YOUR LAST NAME. WHAT I JUST

1:53:15WANTED TO SAY WAS YOUR COMMENT

1:53:18ABOUT I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY

1:53:20LIKE POTENTIAL ADJUSTMENTS OR

1:53:22REFINEMENTS TO THE ALTERNATIVE

1:53:24COMPLIANCE PATHWAYS IN THE

1:53:26ORDINANCE. ONE THING I DID NOT

1:53:27MENTION IS WITH MOST BTS WE

1:53:32HAVE WE HAVE UNDERTAKEN A

1:53:34FEDERAL PROJECT TO STANDARDIZE

1:53:37A FRAMEWORK FOR ALTERNATIVE

1:53:38COMPLIANCE PATHWAYS AND SHOULD.

1:53:42THIS IS THIS PROJECT IS IS A

1:53:45SPECIFIC NOD TO. FOR A BUILDING

1:53:48OWNER WHO HAS WHO, WHO MANAGES

1:53:49LARGE, LARGE PORTFOLIOS ACROSS

1:53:51MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS THAT

1:53:53HAVE TO COMPLY WITH A WEB OF

1:53:56REQUIREMENTS. EACH BTS HAS A

1:53:58DIFFERENT ACP OPTIONS. SO TO

1:54:01TRY AND STANDARDIZE THAT AND

1:54:02MAKE THINGS EASIER TO COMPLY

1:54:04FOR THE BUILDING OWNER, AS WELL

1:54:06AS MAKE IT MORE

1:54:08ADMINISTRATIVELY FEASIBLE FOR

1:54:09THE JURISDICTION. WE'VE

1:54:11DEVELOPED A MODEL FRAMEWORK FOR

1:54:14ACP AS WELL AS REGULATIONS. SO

1:54:16THIS IS MORE OF LIKE A DIRECT

1:54:18NOD TO YOU AND TO VIN. IF THERE

1:54:22IS MORE GUIDANCE OR UPDATES OR

1:54:24REFINEMENTS TO THE ACP, I'M

1:54:26MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE

1:54:27ADDITIONAL TECHNICAL EXPERTISE

1:54:29ON THE ORDINANCE, BUT SPECIFIC

1:54:30TO ACP, GIVEN IT'S SUCH A

1:54:32CRITICAL COMPONENT OF THESE

1:54:34LAWS.

1:54:35>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING

1:54:37YOUR SERVICES AVAILABLE TO US,

1:54:39AND WE DEFINITELY WILL BE

1:54:40REACHING OUT. COUNCILOR

1:54:42PIRTLE-GUINEY. LAST WORD.

1:54:43>> YEAH, THANK YOU CHAIR. IT

1:54:45SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE HOPING TO

1:54:47MOVE THIS PRETTY QUICKLY

1:54:48THROUGH COMMITTEE. I KNOW THAT

1:54:50YOU HAVE HAD A LOT OF

1:54:52CONVERSATIONS, BUT FOR AT LEAST

1:54:54ME AND I'M ASSUMING OTHERS AT

1:54:57THE DAIS, WE'RE GETTING A LOT

1:54:59OF INCOMING FROM GROUPS WHO ARE

1:55:02RAISING CONCERNS, AND WE

1:55:03HAVEN'T BEEN A PART OF THAT

1:55:05WORKSHOPPING OR THOSE

1:55:06CONVERSATIONS. THAT HASN'T BEEN

1:55:07DONE IN A. PUBLIC IN THIS SORT

1:55:12OF WAY SETTING, THOUGH. I KNOW

1:55:13YOU INVITED PEOPLE TO YOUR

1:55:14WORKSHOP WITH ME. ARE YOU

1:55:17PLANNING TO TRY TO MOVE THIS

1:55:19QUICKLY THAT SAME DAY? ARE YOU

1:55:21PLANNING ON THIS COMMITTEE

1:55:23SPENDING SOME TIME GETTING THE

1:55:24DETAILS RIGHT? AND ARE YOU

1:55:26GOING TO SHARE WITH US

1:55:28TRANSPARENTLY WHERE YOU HAVE

1:55:29MADE POLICY DECISIONS SO THAT

1:55:31WE, AS A GROUP OF FIVE, CAN

1:55:34MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND

1:55:35THOSE POLICY DECISIONS AND HAVE

1:55:37THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON

1:55:39THEM AS WE MOVE THIS POLICY

1:55:40FORWARD.

1:55:42>> WELL, LIKE ANY COUNCILOR WHO

1:55:43INTRODUCES LEGISLATION, OF

1:55:44COURSE THE GOAL IS TO SHARE

1:55:46WITH YOU EXACTLY THE POLICY

1:55:47DECISIONS. THIS IS POLICY

1:55:49MAKING. SO, YES, I WILL PLAN TO

1:55:50DO THAT. AS FAR AS WHAT THE

1:55:52OUTCOME WILL BE. I HAVE NOT

1:55:53DETERMINED WHEN IT IS SCHEDULED

1:55:55FOR THE 20TH. IT'S MOVING

1:55:56THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS

1:55:57LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE DOES. IF

1:55:59THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT ARE

1:56:00RAISED THAT REQUIRE A PAUSE,

1:56:02I'D BE WELCOME TO THAT. I HAVE

1:56:03NOT HEARD ANY THAT REQUIRE ME

1:56:05TO PAUSE, SO I FEEL LIKE I'VE

1:56:07ADDRESSED EVERYTHING I NEEDED

1:56:08TO ADDRESS. IT'S MY POLICY, OF

1:56:10COURSE, BUT YOU ALL HAVE YOUR

1:56:12PREROGATIVE AS COUNCILORS. IF

1:56:13YOU HEAR OTHER CONCERNS OR YOU

1:56:15HAVE QUESTIONS OR HAVE PROPOSED

1:56:16AMENDMENTS, THAT IS PART OF THE

1:56:17LEGISLATIVE PROCESS THAT WE ALL

1:56:19FOLLOW. SO I DON'T SEE THAT

1:56:20BEING ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT

1:56:21IS ALREADY OFFERED. SO UNLESS

1:56:23THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC

1:56:24DIFFERENT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING

1:56:25FOR, THAT'S THE PROCESS I'M

1:56:26PLANNING TO TAKE.

1:56:28>> I THINK I'M HOPING TO HEAR

1:56:29THAT WE'LL HAVE TIME FOR THAT

1:56:31PROCESS IN COMMITTEE THAT DAY.

1:56:33>> WELL, I GUESS IT JUST

1:56:34DEPENDS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT

1:56:35PEOPLE WANT TO CHANGE, RIGHT.

1:56:37AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. RIGHT.

1:56:38WE HAVE THIS MEETING. WE HAVE

1:56:40WE'VE BEEN ENGAGING WITH

1:56:41STAKEHOLDERS. IF THERE ARE

1:56:42THINGS THAT YOU THINK WILL

1:56:43REQUIRE MORE TIME, I HAVE NOT

1:56:44HEARD OF THOSE THINGS. SO I'M

1:56:46OPEN TO THAT. BUT I DON'T I'M

1:56:48NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A

1:56:49DETERMINATION ON WHAT WE'RE

1:56:50GOING TO DO ON THE 20TH UNTIL I

1:56:52KNOW IF THERE ARE SOME KIND OF

1:56:54CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO BE

1:56:55ASTRONOMICAL, THAT WILL REQUIRE

1:56:56MORE TIME. SO AGAIN, THAT IS

1:56:58WHAT THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS

1:56:59DEMANDS. I DON'T THINK I'M

1:57:00DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY. IF

1:57:01YOU'RE ASKING A REQUEST FOR

1:57:02MORE TIME, PLEASE REACH OUT TO

1:57:04MY OFFICE. I'D LOVE TO HEAR

1:57:05WHAT THINGS YOU THINK DESERVE

1:57:07MORE TIME. IS THAT UNDERSTOOD?

1:57:08GREAT. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO

1:57:09AHEAD AND TAKE A BREAK FOR TEN

1:57:11MINUTES. IT IS 350. I'LL SEE

1:57:13YOU AT FOUR.

2:09:31ALL RIGHT. WE ARE

2:09:33GOING TO RETURN AT 402403.

2:09:39DIEGO GO AHEAD AND PLEASE CALL

2:09:40ITEM TWO.

2:09:42>> ITEM TWO. DOCUMENT NUMBER

2:09:462026-346. AMEND PROPERTY TAX

2:09:48EXEMPTION FOR LOW INCOME

2:09:50HOUSING HELD BY NONPROFIT

2:09:52ORGANIZATIONS. CODE TO EXTEND

2:09:54THE SUNSET DATE. REPLACE CODE.

2:09:56CHAPTER 3.101.

2:10:01>> NONPROFIT LOW INCOME HOUSING

2:10:02LIMITED TAX EXEMPTION PROVIDES

2:10:04A PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION FOR

2:10:05LOW INCOME, NONPROFIT HOUSING

2:10:07PROVIDERS THAT DEVELOP AND

2:10:08PRESERVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING

2:10:10UNITS. THE CITY NEEDS TO UPDATE

2:10:12CURRENT CODE TO ALIGN WITH

2:10:13STATE LAW IN ORDER TO CONTINUE

2:10:15PROVIDING THIS PROPERTY TAX

2:10:16EXEMPTION. SO I WILL GO AHEAD

2:10:18AND HAND IT OFF TO PHB STAFF TO

2:10:22TELL US MORE. TAKE IT AWAY.

2:10:27>> ONE SECOND. SORRY. GOT MY

2:10:31COMPUTER WAS ABOUT TO DIE ON ME.

2:10:39OKAY.

2:11:07MAYBE. GOOD. THERE WE GO.

2:11:10YOU GOT IT. OKAY. OKAY. I DID.

2:11:38I'M IN THERE. I JUST NEED TO

2:11:41GET IT TO COME UP HERE.

2:11:42>> ARE WE HAVING TECHNICAL

2:11:44DIFFICULTIES OR WHAT'S GOING ON?

2:11:45>> NO, I JUST COMPUTER WAS ON

2:11:48THE. I HAD TO DO EVERYTHING ALL

2:11:49THE WAY OVER. SORRY. BECAUSE IT

2:11:52WAS ALL SHUTTING DOWN. THERE WE

2:11:55GO. AND LET'S GET THIS IN HERE.

2:12:00ONE SECOND. THERE WE ARE. OKAY.

2:12:13NOW. I KNOW LIKE, OKAY, WE'LL

2:12:20GET TO WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS.

2:12:23ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON,

2:12:25CHAIR AVALOS, VICE CHAIR GREEN.

2:12:26MY NAME IS QUISHA LIGHT. I'M

2:12:28THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE

2:12:29PORTLAND HOUSING BUREAU. AND

2:12:31TODAY, AS NOTED, WE ARE HERE TO

2:12:33TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THE

2:12:35NONPROFIT LIMITED TAX EXEMPTION

2:12:37OR NPLTE. WE ARE BRINGING

2:12:40FORWARD A RATHER SIMPLE REQUEST

2:12:43AND CHANGE TO ESSENTIALLY ALIGN

2:12:46WITH CHANGES THAT WERE MADE IN

2:12:48STATE CODE. AND I JUST WANTED

2:12:50TO SAY THAT THE NPLT IS HAS

2:12:53BEEN A VERY SIGNIFICANT WAY AND

2:12:57A SIGNIFICANT INCENTIVE FOR OUR

2:12:59AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVIDERS TO

2:13:01BE ABLE TO PROVIDE HOUSING AND

2:13:07MAINTAIN THEIR OPERATING COSTS

2:13:09WITHIN CERTAIN LIMITS THAT KEEP

2:13:12HOUSING AFFORDABLE. AND DORY IS

2:13:14GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH JUST

2:13:16AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM AND

2:13:20THE ASK THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT

2:13:21OF YOU TODAY. THANK YOU.

2:13:26>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS

2:13:28DORY HILLIER, AND I MANAGE THE

2:13:30DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES PROGRAMS

2:13:32WITH THE HOUSING BUREAU,

2:13:34INCLUDING THE NONPROFIT LIMITED

2:13:35TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM. THE CITY

2:13:39FIRST ADOPTED THE PROGRAM IN

2:13:411985, AND THE HOUSING BUREAU

2:13:44ADMINISTERS THE PROGRAM FOR THE

2:13:45CITY OF PORTLAND. ACCORDING TO

2:13:46THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, AND

2:13:49THAT SUPPORTS THE OPERATION,

2:13:50PRESERVATION, AND DEVELOPMENT

2:13:52OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE

2:13:53PROGRAM PROVIDES A PROPERTY TAX

2:13:55EXEMPTION, INCLUDING BOTH THE

2:13:58LAND AND BUILDING VALUES FOR

2:14:00PORTLAND PROPERTIES OPERATED BY

2:14:02ELIGIBLE NONPROFIT, LOW INCOME

2:14:04HOUSING PROVIDERS. ONLY THE

2:14:06PORTION OF THE PROPERTY SERVING

2:14:08TENANTS EARNING UP TO 60% OF

2:14:10MEDIAN INCOME AT THE TIME OF

2:14:13MOVE IN, OR 80% OF MEDIAN

2:14:15INCOME IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS, ARE

2:14:17ELIGIBLE FOR THE EXEMPTION.

2:14:19MIXED INCOME BUILDINGS MAY

2:14:20STILL BE PARTIALLY TAXABLE, AND

2:14:23COMMERCIAL SPACES SPACES ARE

2:14:25GENERALLY NOT INCLUDED IN THE

2:14:27EXEMPTION AS WELL. THE PROGRAM

2:14:30ALLOWS THE EXEMPTION OF TAXES

2:14:32FOR PROPERTY BEING HELD FOR

2:14:34FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF LOW

2:14:35INCOME HOUSING AS WELL. THE

2:14:40NONPROFIT LIMITED TAX EXEMPTION

2:14:42PROGRAM REQUIRES AN ANNUAL

2:14:44CERTIFICATION FROM ELIGIBLE

2:14:46NONPROFITS, UPDATING THE

2:14:47PROPERTY AND INDIVIDUAL UNITS

2:14:49THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE

2:14:50PROGRAM. EACH YEAR. THE HOUSING

2:14:52BUREAU REVIEWS THESE

2:14:54SUBMISSIONS AND WORKS WITH

2:14:55MULTNOMAH COUNTY TO APPLY THE

2:14:57EXEMPTIONS TO EACH PROPERTY

2:14:58ACCOUNT ANNUALLY. THE EXEMPTION

2:15:00REMAINS AVAILABLE ON AN ONGOING

2:15:03BASIS AS LONG AS THE STATE,

2:15:05CITY AND COUNTY CONTINUE TO

2:15:06APPROVE THE PROGRAM. AND

2:15:08COMPARED TO OTHER EXEMPTION

2:15:10PROGRAMS LIKE THE MULTIPLE UNIT

2:15:11LIMITED TAX EXEMPTION, WHICH IS

2:15:14LIMITED IN STATE STATUTE TO TEN

2:15:16CONSECUTIVE YEARS FOR THE

2:15:18CURRENT TAX YEAR, GO ON TO THE

2:15:21NEXT ONE. OKAY. NO, SORRY FOR

2:15:25THE FOR THE CURRENT TAX YEAR,

2:15:2867 DIFFERENT NONPROFIT HOUSING

2:15:29PROVIDERS OPERATING OVER 700

2:15:32PROPERTIES ARE BENEFITING FROM

2:15:33THE EXEMPTION. THE EXEMPTION

2:15:35SUPPORTS MORE THAN 17,000

2:15:37RENTAL HOMES OF ALL TYPES, FROM

2:15:39STUDIO APARTMENTS TO SINGLE

2:15:41FAMILY HOMES. THE PROGRAM

2:15:43BENEFITS BOTH HOUSING BUREAU

2:15:44FUNDED PROJECTS, AS WELL AS

2:15:46THOSE PROJECTS NOT RECEIVING

2:15:48FUNDING FROM THE CITY, BUT ARE

2:15:50OTHERWISE RESTRICTED PROJECTS

2:15:52ONLY REGULATED BY THE HOUSING

2:15:54BUREAU AND NOT OPERATED BY

2:15:55NONPROFIT HOUSING PROVIDERS,

2:15:56SUCH AS THOSE TAKING PART IN

2:15:58THE CITY'S INCLUSIONARY HOUSING

2:16:00PROGRAM, GENERALLY RECEIVE A

2:16:02PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION THROUGH

2:16:03THE TEN YEAR MULTI PROGRAM.

2:16:04INSTEAD, PROJECTS OPERATED BY

2:16:07HOME FORWARD BENEFIT FROM

2:16:08ANOTHER PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION

2:16:10PROGRAM THAT IS SPECIFICALLY

2:16:12FOR HOUSING AUTHORITIES. AND

2:16:14WITH THAT, STILL OVER 75% OF

2:16:16THE FB REGULATED PROJECTS

2:16:18BENEFIT FROM THE NONPROFIT

2:16:20LIMITED TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM.

2:16:22THE PROGRAM IS AN ESSENTIAL

2:16:25COMPONENT TO KEEPING FAMILIES

2:16:26AND INDIVIDUALS IN THEIR HOMES.

2:16:31SO, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE

2:16:33STATE EXTENDED THE SUNSET FOR

2:16:34THE NONPROFIT LIMITED TAX

2:16:36EXEMPTION PROGRAM TO JULY 1ST

2:16:39OF 2033 THROUGH HOUSE BILL 2077.

2:16:42THE PROGRAM CURRENTLY IS

2:16:43APPROVED IN CITY CODE THROUGH

2:16:46JANUARY 1ST OF 2027, AND

2:16:49CONTINUING THE APPROVAL OF THE

2:16:50PROGRAM IS VITAL. WITHOUT IT,

2:16:52EXISTING LOW INCOME HOUSING

2:16:53WILL BE IN JEOPARDY, AND IT

2:16:54WILL IMPACT THE FINANCING OF

2:16:56BOTH PRESERVATION AND NEW

2:16:58CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. THIS

2:17:02CODE AMENDMENT ALLOWS THE

2:17:03NONPROFIT LIMITED TAX EXEMPTION

2:17:05PROGRAM TO CONTINUE BY

2:17:07REFERRING DIRECTLY TO THE

2:17:09SUNSET DATE AND STATE STATUTE,

2:17:10RATHER THAN STATING A SPECIFIC

2:17:12DATE AND MEANING THAT THE

2:17:15PROGRAM CAN CONTINUE SEAMLESSLY

2:17:17AS LONG AS IT IS APPROVED AT

2:17:19THE STATE LEVEL. THE CODE

2:17:20CHANGE ALSO CLARIFIES THE

2:17:22PURPOSE, PROCEDURES, AND

2:17:24IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAM,

2:17:25MAKING IT CONSISTENT WITH OTHER

2:17:26TAX EXEMPTION CODE SECTIONS.

2:17:29THE COUNTY COMMISSION ALSO

2:17:31NEEDS TO APPROVE THE CONTINUED

2:17:33ADMINISTRATION OF THE PROGRAM

2:17:35AFTER COUNCIL APPROVAL, AND WE

2:17:38ARE COMING NOW BECAUSE WE ARE

2:17:41SEEKING TO HAVE THESE APPROVALS

2:17:43IN PLACE BEFORE THE EXPIRATION

2:17:45OF THE PROGRAM. APPLICATIONS

2:17:48FOR THIS NEXT TAX YEAR ARE DUE

2:17:52IN EARLY IN THE FIRST QUARTER

2:17:54OF 2027. AND THAT IS OUR

2:18:01PRESENTATION. WE'RE HAPPY TO

2:18:02TAKE QUESTIONS.

2:18:05>> THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE

2:18:06SOME PUBLIC TESTIMONY. YES. SO

2:18:08LET'S DO THAT AND THEN WE'LL

2:18:09COME BACK AND TAKE QUESTIONS.

2:18:12>> THANK YOU.

2:18:15>> GO AHEAD AND CALL UP OUR

2:18:17TESTIFIERS.

2:18:18>> WE HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL

2:18:19SIGNED UP, NEIL WHITAKER.

2:18:31>> RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE

2:18:32COUNCIL, THE HOUSING COMMITTEE.

2:18:33MY NAME IS NEIL WHITAKER. I

2:18:36HOPE COUNCIL SAW THE PROPUBLICA

2:18:38ARTICLE OUT ABOUT THE FINANCIAL

2:18:40ETHICS VIOLATION BY THE

2:18:42DIRECTOR OF OUR STATE HOUSING

2:18:43AGENCY. THIS IS NOT WHAT I'M

2:18:46BRINGING YOU TODAY, IS NOT

2:18:47ENTIRELY UNRELATED TO THAT. YOU

2:18:50DO HAVE A VOTE COMING UP ON

2:18:52EXTENDING THE NPL TO AN

2:18:53ADDITIONAL SIX YEARS, BUT I

2:18:54THINK THE INFORMATION PHP HAS

2:18:55JUST PROVIDED IS AT LEAST A BIT

2:18:58INADEQUATE FOR YOU TO MAKE AN

2:18:59INFORMED VOTE. FB DOESN'T

2:19:02REALLY SHOW YOU THAT THERE ARE

2:19:03TWO DISTINCTIVELY DIFFERENT

2:19:05WAYS TO QUALIFY FOR THIS. SO WE

2:19:06HAVE NONPROFITS QUALIFYING. AND

2:19:08THEN WHAT THEY DIDN'T MENTION

2:19:09WAS THAT WE ALSO HAVE FOR

2:19:11PROFITS THAT QUALIFY. AND THE

2:19:13DATA IS UNFORTUNATELY

2:19:14COMMINGLED. AND I'VE BEEN

2:19:15ASKING THEM FOR SEVERAL MONTHS

2:19:17TO SEPARATE OUT WHAT THE TOTAL

2:19:18DOLLAR AMOUNT IS FOR, FOR

2:19:19PROFITS. SO WE HAVE FOR PROFIT

2:19:21ENTITIES QUALIFYING FOR

2:19:22NONPROFIT PROPERTY TAX

2:19:24EXEMPTION. SO HOW DO THEY DO

2:19:25THAT? IT SAYS IT'S IN LETTER

2:19:27AND INTENT. IT'S FOR ENTITIES

2:19:28THAT OPERATE ENTIRELY WITHIN

2:19:29THE 501 C THREE NONPROFIT TAX

2:19:32ARENA IN ORDER TO GET THIS TAX

2:19:34BREAK. SO THE CITY HAS KIND OF

2:19:37BEHIND THE SCENES, THEY'RE

2:19:37GIVING IT TO A LONG LIST OF

2:19:39NONPROFITS. I THINK YOU SHOULD

2:19:40HAVE THE NUMBER OF THE FOR

2:19:42PROFIT ENTITIES THAT ARE

2:19:43GETTING THIS TAX BREAK AND THE

2:19:44TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT, AND SEE IF

2:19:46YOU WANT TO PARSE THAT OR NOT,

2:19:48BECAUSE IT ISN'T REALLY

2:19:49ACCURATE, IT'S FINE IF YOU WANT

2:19:51TO GIVE IT TO ALL LOW INCOME

2:19:53PROVIDERS, BUT THAT'S NOT THE

2:19:54NAME. IT'S IT'S NAMED NONPROFIT

2:19:56LOW INCOME. SO THESE FOR PROFIT

2:19:58OWNERS OF LOW INCOME ALSO GET

2:20:00THE ENTIRE LONG LIST OF

2:20:01GOVERNMENT FUNDING SOURCES AND

2:20:03EMERGENCY BAILOUTS AS WELL.

2:20:04THEY DON'T HAVE TO OPERATE

2:20:06WITHIN THE WIDER 501 C THREE

2:20:07TYPE RESTRICTIONS. AND THAT IS

2:20:09UNFAIR TO NONPROFITS WHO HAVE

2:20:11TO LINE ALL THAT OTHER STUFF UP

2:20:12TO GET THE EXEMPTION. AND WE

2:20:14HAVE A COMPOUNDED PROBLEM WITH

2:20:15OUR 60% AMI RENTS. OUR

2:20:17CERTIFIED LOW INCOME RENTS ARE

2:20:19EQUAL TO MARKET RATE. SO NOW

2:20:20WE'VE ALSO MADE THIS UNFAIR TO

2:20:23THE FOR PROFIT PROVIDERS. WE'VE

2:20:25I CAN'T TELL IF YOU'RE COMING

2:20:26OR GOING WITH THIS TAX POLICY.

2:20:28SO IF I WAS AN OWNER OF A

2:20:29MARKET RATE COMPLEX IN PORTLAND

2:20:31RIGHT NOW WHO WAS ALREADY

2:20:33ACCIDENTALLY NATURALLY

2:20:35PROVIDING CERTIFIABLE LOW

2:20:37INCOME RENTS, I WOULD JUST DO

2:20:38WHAT THESE ESSENTIALLY HEDGE

2:20:40FUNDS ARE DOING AND TACK ON

2:20:42YOUR TINY 501 C THREE AT 1/200

2:20:45OF PROPERTY OWNERSHIP AND GET

2:20:47OUT OF MY $100,000 A YEAR

2:20:49ANNUAL PROPERTY TAXES. SO THIS

2:20:52IS, TO ME, THIS LOOKS REALLY

2:20:54OUTDATED, REALLY FLIMSY AND

2:20:56DECEPTIVE TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE

2:20:57I CAN'T REALLY TELL WHO YOU'RE

2:20:58TRYING TO BENEFIT HERE. AND I

2:21:00JUST THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE THE

2:21:03NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE

2:21:04DOING THE TOKEN 501 C THREE,

2:21:06THE FOR PROFITS THAT ARE

2:21:07GETTING THIS, THAT NUMBER.

2:21:10THANK YOU.

2:21:12>> STOP TIME YOU GOT 30S.

2:21:14>> WHAT'S THAT?

2:21:14>> YOU STILL HAVE 30S.

2:21:15>> OH, SO YOU SHOULD SEPARATE

2:21:17OUT THE FOR PROFITS BECAUSE

2:21:18THEY DIDN'T REALLY MENTION THAT

2:21:20THERE'S A WAY THAT FOR PROFITS

2:21:22QUALIFY AND IT'S NOT THE SAME.

2:21:23THIS ISN'T AN EQUIVALENT

2:21:25JOURNEY TO GET THIS TAX BREAK.

2:21:27YOU JUST NEED TWO NUMBERS. AND

2:21:28THEN YOU CAN MAKE AN INFORMED

2:21:30DECISION. HOW MANY PROPERTIES

2:21:31AND THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT

2:21:33THAT THE FOR PROFITS ARE

2:21:34GETTING. I'VE BEEN ASKING THEM

2:21:35FOR THAT FOR SIX MONTHS. I

2:21:36DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WAS SUCH A

2:21:38DIFFICULT. THANK YOU.

2:21:42>> THANK YOU.

2:21:43>> THAT CONCLUDES TESTIMONY.

2:21:46>> OKAY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND

2:21:48BRING HOUSING BUREAU BACK UP

2:21:50FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM

2:21:52COMMITTEE. MAYBE I'LL START BY

2:21:57SAYING WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO

2:21:58THAT TESTIMONY? BECAUSE SOUNDS

2:22:00LIKE THERE'S A QUESTION HERE OF

2:22:04WHETHER THERE'S A LOOPHOLE. AND

2:22:05I'M CURIOUS YOUR REACTION.

2:22:09>> SO THE REALITY IS WHAT WE

2:22:14HAVE IS I THINK WHAT MR.

2:22:17WHITAKER IS GETTING TO THE

2:22:21NPLTE APPLICATION DOESN'T

2:22:23REQUIRE, OR THAT THE CODE

2:22:25DOESN'T SAY THAT WE REGULATE A

2:22:27CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF

2:22:29PARTNERSHIP. IT JUST SAYS

2:22:30GENERAL PARTNER. AND THE

2:22:32NONPROFIT HAS TO BE A GENERAL

2:22:34PARTNER, AND THEY HAVE TO

2:22:35OPERATE THE DAY TO DAY

2:22:37RESPONSIBILITIES. THAT'S IT. IT

2:22:39DOESN'T TELL US TO MANAGE AT A

2:22:41CERTAIN PERCENTAGE LEVEL. AND

2:22:47SO WE. I THINK HIS CONCERN IS

2:22:52THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE

2:22:53A FOR PROFIT AND A NONPROFIT

2:22:56PARTNER AND A NON, YOU KNOW,

2:22:58THERE'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE THAT

2:22:59THE NONPROFIT PARTNERSHIP. BUT

2:23:01THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED

2:23:03TO REGULATE OR I MEAN, OR SPEAK

2:23:06TO IN ANY WAY. THAT IS, IF THEY

2:23:10MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, THEY

2:23:11MEET THE ELIGIBILITY, THEN THEY

2:23:13ARE ENTITLED TO THE INCENTIVE.

2:23:15AND WE HAVE AND I WOULD SAY THE

2:23:18OTHER THING IS THIS MUCH

2:23:20AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING BUILT

2:23:22IS BEING BUILT BECAUSE OF

2:23:24PARTNERSHIPS. AND SO. THAT

2:23:29INCENTIVE IS THERE TO CONTINUE

2:23:30TO ENCOURAGE THOSE PARTNERSHIPS

2:23:32SO THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING

2:23:33THAT WE NEED GETS BUILT. BUT

2:23:36I'LL LET YOU KNOW IF THERE'S

2:23:38ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD.

2:23:40>> SURE. I COULD ALSO ADD JUST

2:23:42THAT THE LIMITED PARTNER SHIP

2:23:45STRUCTURE IS A CONSTRUCT OF THE

2:23:49LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT

2:23:52PROGRAM, AND HOW THE MAJORITY

2:23:55OF NONPROFIT, SPONSORED

2:23:57AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACROSS THE

2:23:59COUNTRY, LET ALONE LOCALLY, IS

2:24:01FUNDED. AND SO THOSE

2:24:03PARTNERSHIPS THEMSELVES ARE NOT

2:24:05SOMETHING THAT WE ARE SEEING

2:24:07BEING PUT TOGETHER STRICTLY FOR

2:24:09THE PURPOSE OF EVADING

2:24:12GUIDELINES FOR THE TAX

2:24:13EXEMPTION PROGRAM. THERE ARE

2:24:15LAYERS AND LAYERS OF LEGAL

2:24:18REQUIREMENTS AND LAWYERS AND

2:24:20FUNDERS AND OTHERS LOOKING AT

2:24:22ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AS

2:24:24PROJECTS ARE FINANCED AND

2:24:27BROUGHT TO FRUITION. WE DO

2:24:31EVALUATE ALL OF THE CORPORATE

2:24:32ARTICLES FOR EVERY SINGLE

2:24:34APPLICATION THAT IS SUBMITTED

2:24:36AND ENSURE THAT THERE IS INDEED

2:24:39A CONNECTION BY AN ELIGIBLE

2:24:41NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION TO THE

2:24:45PROJECT, AS IS SHOWN THROUGH A

2:24:48LIMITED PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT

2:24:49AS ONE EXAMPLE.

2:24:53>> AND MIGHT I ADD, JUST ONE

2:24:54MORE THING. I THINK IF THE

2:24:56NONPROFITS ROLE IS SUBSTANTIVE

2:24:58AND THAT IS THEY ARE DOING THE

2:25:00GENERAL DAY TO DAY WORK, AND

2:25:04THEY ARE ACTUALLY SUPPORTING,

2:25:06YOU KNOW, LOW INCOME HOUSING

2:25:08AND RESIDENTS. THEN THE

2:25:11REQUIREMENTS FOR THE EXEMPTION

2:25:12ARE MET. AND I THINK THAT IS,

2:25:16YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO ACTUALLY

2:25:17HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE QUESTIONS

2:25:18THAT THAT THAT TO ME IS THE

2:25:20ACCOUNTABILITY QUESTION.

2:25:24>> OKAY. THANKS FOR I KNOW I

2:25:25PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I JUST

2:25:27FIGURED, LET'S GET IT OUT OF

2:25:29THE WAY AND JUST SEE WHAT'S

2:25:30GOING ON. VICE CHAIR GREEN.

2:25:32>> THANK YOU. I WAS ALSO

2:25:34GETTING INTO THE QUEUE TO ASK

2:25:35QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS TESTIMONY

2:25:37THAT WE HEARD. JUST TO GO A

2:25:40LITTLE FURTHER. SO I THINK IT'S.

2:25:45307. IT'S IT'S 7.540. THANK YOU.

2:25:50THAT DEFINES THE STATE LEVEL

2:25:52PROGRAM, RIGHT? YES. AND IT

2:25:54DEFINES WHAT, YOU KNOW,

2:25:56ELIGIBILITY IT LOOKS LIKE. BUT

2:25:57THEN WE ALSO HAVE CODE THAT

2:26:01CLARIFIES AND CREATES THE

2:26:02PROGRAM AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. I

2:26:04GUESS THE QUESTION I'M ASKING

2:26:06FOR IS, ARE WE BOUND BY A

2:26:10CERTAIN INTERPRETATION BY STATE

2:26:13LAW, OR ARE WE IN CITY CODE

2:26:15SAYING, YOU KNOW, A PARTNERSHIP

2:26:17IS TREATED THE SAME AS A

2:26:19CORPORATION, SO ON AND SO FORTH?

2:26:20AND DO WE NOT HAVE REGULATORY

2:26:23AUTHORITY TO GO FURTHER AND

2:26:24MAYBE ADDRESS THIS QUESTION?

2:26:28>> WE DO IN OUR CODE THAT WE'RE

2:26:32PROPOSING, REFER BACK TO THE

2:26:34GUIDELINES AS THEY ARE REQUIRED

2:26:36AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR

2:26:39CONSISTENCY ACROSS ALL OF THE

2:26:41OTHER FUNDING SOURCES AND

2:26:43PROGRAMS THAT ALSO IN DESIGNATE

2:26:46LIMITED PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENTS

2:26:47IN THAT SAME WAY, SO AS NOT TO

2:26:50INTERFERE WITH FUNDING OF NEW

2:26:53PROJECTS. SO LEGALLY, THE

2:26:56QUESTION IS WE CAN ALWAYS ADD

2:26:59MORE DETAIL TO OUR CODE IF WE

2:27:02CAN DEMONSTRATE WHAT THAT WHAT

2:27:04THE NEED IS AND WHY WE'RE DOING

2:27:06THAT, AND WHAT THE CONTEXT AND

2:27:08AND WHAT THE OUTCOMES WOULD BE.

2:27:10>> YEAH, THAT'S HELPFUL BECAUSE

2:27:12I THINK FOR ME, IF THE LETTER

2:27:14AND INTENT OF THIS IS, IS TO

2:27:16MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT FOR

2:27:18PROFIT FIRMS THAT GET A

2:27:20NONPROFIT TAX EXEMPTION,

2:27:23ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND THAT IF

2:27:25IT'S NONPROFIT THAT MANAGES THE

2:27:27THING ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS AND

2:27:29DELIVERS THE THING, BUT HOW DO

2:27:32WE KNOW? LIKE, HOW DO WE HOW DO

2:27:36WE KNOW THAT JUST BY HAVING

2:27:38SOME SORT OF NONPROFIT IN A

2:27:42PORTFOLIO, WE'RE NOT SKIRTING

2:27:44THAT AND JUST PROVIDING A TAX

2:27:46EXEMPTION FOR FOR PROFIT ENTITY?

2:27:49DO WE HAVE ANY WAY OF VERIFYING

2:27:50THAT?

2:27:51>> I MEAN, WE.

2:27:52>> WE DO KNOW THAT IN

2:27:53PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE DIRECT

2:27:55FINANCING IN THAT THE. AND WE

2:27:57CAN ASSUME THROUGH THE LIMITED

2:27:59PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENTS THAT

2:28:01IT'S THE SAME FOR OTHER

2:28:02PROPERTIES, THAT THE NONPROFIT

2:28:05IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR

2:28:06REPAYMENT OF THE LOAN. THE

2:28:08NONPROFIT IS THE ONE THAT'S ON

2:28:10THE HOOK FOR THE OPERATION OF

2:28:11THESE PROPERTIES. WITH THE

2:28:13LIMITED PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT

2:28:14THROUGH THE LOW INCOME HOUSING

2:28:16TAX CREDIT PROGRAM, THE

2:28:18CORPORATION OR THE ENTITY THAT

2:28:20IS THE FOR PROFIT ONE, IS

2:28:23BENEFITING BY GETTING THE THE

2:28:26THE FEDERAL TAX BENEFITS TO PUT

2:28:29MONEY INTO THE PROJECT. SO

2:28:31THAT'S THE BENEFIT THAT THEY'RE

2:28:32ALREADY RECEIVING. THE ACTUAL

2:28:34PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION IS

2:28:36APPLYING TO KEEPING THE

2:28:38OPERATION OF THAT PARTICULAR

2:28:40BUILDING IN, IN PLACE. AND SO

2:28:43THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE'RE

2:28:45EVALUATING THE BENEFIT OF THE

2:28:47EXEMPTION DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW,

2:28:49BEING FOR THE NONPROFIT AGENCY

2:28:51PROVIDING THE LOW INCOME

2:28:52HOUSING.

2:28:54>> OKAY. DO WE I GUESS MY NEXT

2:28:59QUESTION WOULD BE, DO WE HAVE

2:29:01DO WE HAVE THE DATA TO PARSE

2:29:03THE THING THAT MR. WHITAKER HAS

2:29:05ASKED FOR US TO PARSE?

2:29:07>> WE DON'T ON WITH OVER, YOU

2:29:09KNOW, THAT MANY UNITS AND THAT

2:29:11MANY PROPERTIES, WHEN WE DO

2:29:13EVALUATE, WE DO EVALUATE EACH

2:29:14AND EVERY OWNERSHIP ENTITY. BUT

2:29:17IN OUR CURRENT TRACKING SYSTEM,

2:29:20WE DON'T DESIGNATE BEYOND

2:29:23WHETHER IT'S A LIMITED

2:29:24PARTNERSHIP OR AN LLC OR A

2:29:26PROPERTY OWNED DIRECTLY. SO WE

2:29:29DON'T GO TO THE PERCENTAGE OF

2:29:32OWNERSHIP OR THAT SORT OF THING.

2:29:33WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT WITHIN

2:29:35OUR CURRENT RECORDS.

2:29:38>> BUT YOU DO HAVE SOME LEVEL

2:29:41OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE

2:29:44PARTNERSHIPS LOOK LIKE.

2:29:46>> WE DO LOOK AT THOSE STAFF

2:29:47DOES LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE

2:29:49PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT. YES.

2:29:51>> WE WOULD BE BE ABLE TO GET

2:29:52THAT INFORMATION.

2:29:53>> WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK

2:29:54THROUGH EVERY SINGLE

2:29:56APPLICATION AND WEED THROUGH

2:29:58THE EXACT PERCENTAGE OF

2:30:00OWNERSHIP FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE.

2:30:04>> OKAY. AND THAT'S JUST NOT

2:30:09WORK THAT THE BUREAU HAS DONE

2:30:11TO DATE IS THAT.

2:30:12>> IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE TRACK.

2:30:14AGAIN, WE DO LOOK AT IT WITH

2:30:15EVERY SINGLE APPLICATION THAT

2:30:16WE EVALUATE, BUT IT'S NOT

2:30:18SOMETHING THAT WE THEN RECORD

2:30:21IN

2:30:21>> A SPREADSHEET SOMEWHERE TO

2:30:22SAY EXACTLY WHAT THE PERCENTAGE

2:30:23OF OWNERSHIP IS FOR EACH

2:30:25PROPERTY OR OWNERSHIP ENTITY.

2:30:28>> OKAY, SO THAT'S IT'S NOT,

2:30:30IT'S NOT PROCESSED DATA THAT

2:30:31COULD BE FURNISHED IN A TIMELY

2:30:33FASHION.

2:30:34>> YEAH. IT'S NOT A BENCHMARK

2:30:35THAT'S PART OF QUALIFICATION

2:30:37FOR THE PROGRAM. IT'S STRICTLY

2:30:38THAT THERE A LEGAL CONNECTION

2:30:42IN THE WAY, AS DESCRIBED IN

2:30:44STATUTE FOR THE NONPROFIT

2:30:46ORGANIZATION TO BE A QUALIFIED

2:30:48CORPORATION.

2:30:50>> OKAY.

2:30:55>> DIRECTOR. LIGHT, HOW LONG

2:30:56WOULD IT TAKE TO TO FURNISH

2:30:58THAT TO BUILD THAT DATA?

2:31:02>> THE CAPACITY FOR THE TEAM TO

2:31:04GO BACK THROUGH THAT AT THIS

2:31:05TIME. AND ACTUALLY. I THINK

2:31:11THAT'S THAT'S JUST THAT'S GOING

2:31:13TO TAKE SOME MONTHS GIVEN

2:31:14EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S

2:31:15HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. AND I

2:31:21WOULD REALLY I JUST WANT TO

2:31:23MAKE SURE WE'RE SEPARATING OUT

2:31:24WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TODAY

2:31:26TO KEEP THIS EXEMPTION MOVING

2:31:28FORWARD FOR THOSE THAT NEED IT

2:31:30TO OPERATE IN THIS QUESTION OF,

2:31:34YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED OF

2:31:35EVALUATING THIS ISSUE, I THINK

2:31:37ARE TWO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE

2:31:38SURE WE'RE SEPARATING THOSE AND

2:31:40KEEPING THOSE VERY DISTINCT,

2:31:41BECAUSE I THINK COUNCIL CAN

2:31:43CERTAINLY LEGISLATE FURTHER

2:31:44AROUND THIS ISSUE. BUT TO KEEP

2:31:46THIS EXEMPTION AVAILABLE TO

2:31:48THOSE THAT DO NEED IT TO

2:31:50OPERATE IS IS REALLY CRITICAL.

2:31:54SO FOR US TO DO THAT, LIKE I

2:31:56SAID, THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO

2:31:57TAKE SOME MONTHS FOR MY TEAM TO

2:31:59GO BACK THROUGH ALL THE

2:32:00DOCUMENTS TO DO THAT.

2:32:01>> OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. SO AND

2:32:04YOU SAID EARLIER THAT THIS

2:32:06NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BEFORE THE

2:32:07END OF THE YEAR FOR FOLKS TO

2:32:09SORT OF GO INTO THE NEXT TAX

2:32:10YEAR.

2:32:11>> YEAH. YES.

2:32:12>> AND THERE'S NOTHING TO

2:32:14PREVENT US FROM ADOPTING CODE

2:32:16TO REGULATE OUR FORWARD LOOKING

2:32:19ACTIONS.

2:32:19>> NO, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE

2:32:21SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE,

2:32:22WE'D HAVE CITY ATTORNEYS TELL

2:32:23YOU EXACTLY WHERE WE COULD GO

2:32:25WITH THAT AND VETTED. BUT

2:32:26THERE'S NOTHING THAT KEEPS

2:32:28COUNCIL FROM LOOKING AT

2:32:29ADOPTING OTHER ELIGIBILITY

2:32:31REQUIREMENTS. WE WOULD JUST ASK

2:32:33THAT THAT FOR TODAY THAT THAT

2:32:35WOULD BE SEPARATED. SO WE'RE

2:32:36NOT IMPACTING THOSE THAT DO

2:32:38NEED IT BECAUSE THE REALITY IS

2:32:41THERE, GIVEN THE CHALLENGES

2:32:44THAT OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING

2:32:46PROJECTS AND UNITS ARE FACING

2:32:48RIGHT NOW, TO TAKE THIS AWAY

2:32:49FROM SOME OF THEM AT A TIME

2:32:51WHEN THEY'RE ALREADY STRUGGLING,

2:32:52WOULD NOT BE A GOOD THING.

2:32:55>> OKAY.

2:32:56>> THANK YOU FOR ENTERTAINING

2:32:57MY QUESTIONS.

2:32:58>> THANK YOU.

2:32:59>> COUNCILOR. PIRTLE-GUINEY.

2:33:00>> THANK YOU CHAIR. I HAVE

2:33:01THREE KIND OF SEPARATE

2:33:03QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK I'LL

2:33:04START WITH THE THIRD BECAUSE IT

2:33:06GOES DOWN THIS PATH THAT

2:33:07COUNCILOR GREEN WAS ASKING

2:33:09ABOUT. I HEARD YOU SAY IN YOUR

2:33:11RESPONSE TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO

2:33:13GAVE TESTIFY TESTIMONY, AND IN

2:33:14YOUR RESPONSE TO COUNCILOR

2:33:16GREEN THAT. THE OPERATING

2:33:22PRACTICE IS GENERALLY THAT THE

2:33:24NONPROFIT PARTNER IS THE ONE

2:33:26WHO IS RUNNING THE PROPERTY,

2:33:28RUNNING THE BUILDING, AND THAT

2:33:29THE FOR PROFIT PARTNERS ARE

2:33:31INVESTORS IN THAT PROPERTY. AND

2:33:33I UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE WERE TO

2:33:36ASK FOR SOME SORT OF SPLIT IN

2:33:38THE FUTURE, RIGHT, A CERTAIN

2:33:40PERCENT HAS TO BE OWNED BY THE

2:33:42NONPROFIT THAT THAT COULD

2:33:43CREATE CHALLENGES. WHERE IS

2:33:45THAT LINE? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK

2:33:46LIKE? WOULD CONCEPTUALLY, AND

2:33:52I'M NOT PROPOSING THIS. AND TO

2:33:53BE CLEAR, I'M NOT PROPOSING

2:33:55THAT WE DO THIS TODAY, BUT IT

2:33:56SOUNDS LIKE COUNCILOR GREEN MAY

2:33:57WALK DOWN THIS PATH FURTHER IN

2:33:59THE FUTURE. WOULD THERE BE A

2:34:03CHALLENGE IF WE WERE TO SAY

2:34:05THAT THIS PROGRAM WAS AVAILABLE

2:34:08TO HOUSING, WHERE THE PRIMARY

2:34:11OPERATING PARTNER IS A

2:34:13NONPROFIT ENTITY? IF WE LOOKED

2:34:16NOT AT THE DOLLARS IN, BUT AT

2:34:18THE ROLES, SHOULD I TAKE THAT

2:34:21AWAY FROM WHAT YOU SAID

2:34:22PREVIOUSLY? OR IS THAT IS THAT

2:34:26USING TOO BLUNT AN INSTRUMENT

2:34:28TO PARSE THIS?

2:34:30>> I'M NOT SURE, COUNCILOR,

2:34:31WHAT EFFECT THAT ACTUALLY WOULD

2:34:33HAVE. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S

2:34:34OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WE NEED TO

2:34:35LOOK AT THE SPECIFICITY OF THE

2:34:38LEGAL LANGUAGE AND WHO THAT

2:34:40WOULD INCLUDE OR EXCLUDE. BUT

2:34:44ULTIMATELY ALREADY WE DO HAVE

2:34:47IT IS LIMITED ONLY TO NONPROFIT

2:34:48ORGANIZATIONS THAT MEET THE FEW

2:34:51BENCHMARKS. RIGHT. AND THAT IS

2:34:53EITHER THEY OWN THE PROPERTY

2:34:55OUTRIGHT. THEY ARE HAVE A

2:34:58LEASEHOLD INTEREST IN THE

2:35:00PROPERTY, OR THEY ARE A GENERAL

2:35:03PARTNERSHIP OF A LIMITED

2:35:04PARTNERSHIP THAT THEN DOES

2:35:06OPERATE THE PROPERTY. SO THAT

2:35:08IS SOME THOSE BENCHMARKS ARE

2:35:09ALREADY THERE.

2:35:11>> IT SOUNDED LIKE THAT THIRD

2:35:14PIECE WAS MAYBE THE QUESTION,

2:35:16AND THERE WAS A QUESTION AROUND

2:35:17HOW LARGE A PARTNER THEY WERE

2:35:20IN THAT LIMITED PARTNERSHIP.

2:35:21AND I THINK I'M I'M TRYING TO

2:35:23UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S AN EASY

2:35:24WAY TO PARSE THE DIFFERENCE

2:35:25BETWEEN A, A SMALL FINANCIAL

2:35:28PARTNER AND THE OPERATING

2:35:30PARTNER. WHILE YOU HAVE MANY

2:35:32OTHER PARTNERS WHO ARE IN AS

2:35:34INVESTING PARTNERS AND, AND

2:35:36MAYBE THAT THIS REQUIRES MORE

2:35:37CONVERSATION. I'M COMFORTABLE

2:35:39MOVING FORWARD TODAY AND COMING

2:35:40BACK TO THIS, BUT I WANTED TO

2:35:42ASK THAT QUESTION WHILE WE WERE

2:35:44ON THE TOPIC.

2:35:44>> I CAN CLARIFY AT LEAST THAT

2:35:46PART OF OUR REVIEW OF THOSE

2:35:47OPERATING AGREEMENTS IS IT'S

2:35:49DIFFERENT IN EVERY SINGLE ONE,

2:35:51BUT WE DO LOOK FOR THE LANGUAGE

2:35:52THAT CLARIFIES THAT THE TAX

2:35:57RESPONSIBILITY IS BORNE ON THE

2:35:59NONPROFIT AGENCY. THAT'S ONE OF

2:36:01THEM. WE ALSO LOOK AT THEY ARE

2:36:04RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FINANCIAL

2:36:06PERFORMANCE OF THE DAY TO DAY

2:36:08OPERATIONS. AND AND SO THERE IT

2:36:10IS SAID DIFFERENTLY IN EVERY

2:36:12SINGLE AGREEMENT. BUT THAT'S

2:36:14THE GENERAL OUTCOMES THAT WE DO

2:36:16VERIFY IN THOSE DOCUMENTS SO

2:36:17THAT THE NONPROFIT IS THE ONE

2:36:19WHO'S LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR

2:36:21THOSE THINGS.

2:36:23>> OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. I'D

2:36:27LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THIS MORE

2:36:28LATER. I DON'T THINK I NEED TO

2:36:30TAKE THE TIME TODAY, BUT I DO

2:36:32THINK THAT THERE ARE MORE

2:36:33QUESTIONS THAT WE SHOULD BE

2:36:34ASKING ABOUT THIS. IN THE

2:36:36PRESENTATION THAT YOU GAVE. I'M

2:36:38TRYING TO FIND THE NUMBER HERE.

2:36:40YOU HAD A SLIDE THAT SAID OF

2:36:42THE 700 PROPERTIES, 253 HAVE A

2:36:45SINGLE LOW INCOME UNIT, 349

2:36:47HAVE TWO OR MORE, AND THEN

2:36:49ALMOST 100 ARE VACANT. ARE

2:36:51THOSE PROPERTIES WITH A SINGLE

2:36:53LOW INCOME UNIT, SINGLE FAMILY

2:36:56HOMES, OR ARE THOSE. OKAY. SO

2:36:58THESE ARE NOT PROPERTIES WITH

2:37:01MOSTLY MARKET RATE UNITS AND

2:37:03ONE OR 2 OR 3. RENT SINGLE LOW

2:37:09INCOME UNITS. THESE ARE

2:37:10PROPERTIES THAT ARE SINGLE

2:37:11FAMILY HOMES, DUPLEXES, SMALLER

2:37:15PROPERTIES THAN THAN OUR LARGE

2:37:17APARTMENT BUILDINGS.

2:37:19>> CORRECT. WE HAVE PROPERTIES

2:37:20THAT ARE FOR ONE FAMILY AND WE

2:37:22HAVE SOME THAT HAVE SEVERAL

2:37:24HUNDRED UNITS IN THEM. YES.

2:37:26>> OKAY. THE WAY IT WAS WORDED,

2:37:28IT SOUNDED LIKE IT COULD BE A

2:37:30SINGLE UNIT IN A LARGER

2:37:31BUILDING. I WANTED THE CHANCE

2:37:32TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU. AND

2:37:34MY FINAL QUESTION IS THAT YOU

2:37:37TALKED IN THE PRESENTATION

2:37:38ABOUT THE PROGRAM ITSELF, AND

2:37:40YOU TALKED ABOUT NEEDING THIS

2:37:42LEGISLATION TO EXTEND THE DATE

2:37:45AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T

2:37:48HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CHANGES

2:37:49EVERY TIME THE STATE MAKES A

2:37:51CHANGE. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

2:37:52BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE ACTUAL

2:37:55CODE IN EXHIBIT A, WHICH WOULD

2:37:57REPLACE 3.101 THAT'S CURRENTLY

2:38:01IN CODE ON THE BOOKS, IT LOOKS

2:38:02LIKE A COMPLETE REWRITE, AND IT

2:38:05HAS MANY OF THE SAME ELEMENTS,

2:38:07BUT IT'S A COMPLETE REWRITE.

2:38:08AND I HAVE NOT BEEN WORKING IN

2:38:10THIS POLICY AREA LONG ENOUGH TO

2:38:12KNOW IF THAT COMPLETE REWRITE

2:38:14IS MAKING ANY OTHER SUBSTANTIVE

2:38:16CHANGES OR NOT. SO CAN YOU

2:38:17SPEND JUST A MINUTE OR TWO

2:38:19WALKING US THROUGH WHAT WHAT

2:38:22CHANGES THERE ARE THAT WE

2:38:25SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW

2:38:27ABOUT, OR THAT FOLKS WATCHING

2:38:29KNOW ABOUT? SINCE THIS IS A

2:38:31COMPLETE REWRITE OF THAT

2:38:32SECTION OF CODE.

2:38:34>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION,

2:38:36COUNCILOR. THE REASON FOR

2:38:38REWRITING IT IS THAT THE CODE

2:38:41HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED IN ANY

2:38:43SUBSTANTIVE WAY FOR MANY, MANY,

2:38:45MANY, MANY YEARS. AND WE HAVE

2:38:47LEARNED OVER THE YEARS THAT IN

2:38:50THIS PARTICULAR CODE, IT'S

2:38:52ESSENTIALLY PARROTING THE STATE

2:38:54STATUTE. THERE ARE NO

2:38:55ADDITIONAL POLICIES OR

2:38:58REQUIREMENTS, REALLY, THAT ARE

2:38:59BEING OUTLINED IN THE CODE. AND

2:39:02SO IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE

2:39:06POTENTIAL FOR INCONSISTENCIES

2:39:08BETWEEN CITY CODE AND AND

2:39:10STATUTE, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE

2:39:12HAS ADVISED IT'S EASIER AND

2:39:14MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD TO REFER

2:39:18DIRECTLY TO THE STATUTORY

2:39:20SECTIONS THAT WE ARE USING TO

2:39:21IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM, SO THAT

2:39:23WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONFLICT WITH

2:39:26HOW WE OPERATE THE PROGRAM AT

2:39:28THE LOCAL LEVEL.

2:39:30>> I UNDERSTAND THAT PIECE OF

2:39:32IT. AND ON THINGS LIKE ELIGIBLE

2:39:35ORGANIZATIONS REFERRING

2:39:35DIRECTLY TO THE ORS. IT LOOKS

2:39:43LIKE IT'S MORE SUBSTANTIVE THAN

2:39:44THAT. AND THERE ARE PIECES IN

2:39:46HERE THAT HAVE A LOT MORE

2:39:48LANGUAGE THAN THAT. EXEMPTIONS

2:39:49THAT DON'T REFER TO ORS AT ALL.

2:39:53AND THERE ARE PIECES IN THE

2:39:54CODE NOW THAT ARE DROPPED. SO

2:39:56ARE THE PIECES IN. IS THE

2:39:59REWRITE MORE ALIGNED WITH STATE

2:40:01CODE THAN WHAT WE HAVE ON THE

2:40:03BOOKS RIGHT NOW? AND IF SO,

2:40:05WHAT PROVISIONS, IF ANY, ARE WE

2:40:07LOSING WHEN WE MOVE TO BEING

2:40:09MORE ALIGNED WITH STATE CODE?

2:40:11HELP ME UNDERSTAND WITH

2:40:12SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFERENT.

2:40:15>> YEAH.

2:40:16>> IT'S WHAT THE IMPACT ON THE

2:40:17GROUND IS.

2:40:18>> SURE. ACTUALLY, IT'S IT'S

2:40:20NOT IN AN ALIGNMENT TO CHANGE

2:40:21ANY WAY THAT WE OPERATE THE

2:40:23PROGRAM. BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, THE

2:40:25CURRENT CODE REFERS TO THINGS

2:40:28THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE

2:40:29APPLICATION, FOR INSTANCE. AND

2:40:30SO THAT'S RESTATING THINGS THAT

2:40:32ARE ALREADY STATED IN STATUTE.

2:40:36AND SO IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR

2:40:39THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL TO LIVE

2:40:41WITHIN THE CODE. AND IF WE

2:40:43WANTED TO EVEN DESCRIBE

2:40:45SOMETHING FURTHER BEYOND WHAT'S

2:40:47IN STATUTE OR CODE, IT'S

2:40:48SOMETHING THAT COULD LIVE IN

2:40:50ADMINISTRATIVE RULES, FOR

2:40:51INSTANCE. AND SO IT MAKES IT

2:40:53FOR A MUCH TIGHTER PROCESS TO

2:40:55JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE THE

2:40:57APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS OF

2:40:58STATUTE AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT

2:41:00THE CITY MAY REQUIRE THAT.

2:41:03>> FUNCTIONALLY THIS MOVES MORE

2:41:05AUTHORITY OUT OF CODE AND TO

2:41:07THE BUREAU TO DEFINE SOME OF

2:41:09THOSE THINGS BY RULE, IT GIVES

2:41:11YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE TO

2:41:13UPDATE THE APPLICATION WITHOUT

2:41:15HAVING TO COME BACK TO US TO

2:41:17HAVE THAT CHANGED IN CODE,

2:41:19ALONG WITH BETTER ALIGNING US

2:41:21TO STATE CODE. I THINK THAT'S

2:41:23IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE WE WE

2:41:26NEED TO KNOW THAT WE ARE IN

2:41:28MOVING THIS FORWARD, GIVING YOU

2:41:29ALL MORE AUTHORITY TO RUN THIS

2:41:31PROGRAM WITHOUT HAVING TO GO

2:41:32THROUGH US EVERY TIME. OKAY.

2:41:35THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR.

2:41:39>> ALL RIGHT. SEEING AS NO ONE

2:41:40ELSE IS IN THE QUEUE AND FOR

2:41:42TIME, BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER

2:41:43TIME SENSITIVE ITEM, WE MUST

2:41:45GET DONE BEFORE FIVE. LET'S GO

2:41:46AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD. I'D

2:41:48LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO

2:41:49MOVE THE ORDINANCE. DOCUMENT

2:41:50NUMBER 2026-346 TO THE FULL

2:41:54COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION

2:41:55TO PASS.

2:41:56>> SO MOVED.

2:41:56>> MOVED BY COUNCILOR NOVICK.

2:41:58DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECONDED BY

2:42:03ME. CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

2:42:09>> GREEN. NO. PIRTLE-GUINEY.

2:42:14>> AYE, MORILLO.

2:42:16>> KOYAMA LANE. NO NOVICK. I

2:42:21AVALOS. I WITH THREE EYES AND

2:42:24TWO NAYS. THE MOTION TO REFER

2:42:26THE ORDINANCE DOCUMENT NUMBER

2:42:302026-346 TO THE FULL COUNCIL

2:42:31WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO BE

2:42:33PASSED, IS ACCEPTED.

2:42:35>> THANK YOU. AND A NOTE TO THE

2:42:37PUBLIC. IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE

2:42:38IS SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION

2:42:39POLICY DISCUSSION THAT WILL

2:42:40NEED TO HAPPEN. AND SO DUE TO

2:42:44TIME, WE NEED TO MOVE IT OUT OF

2:42:46COMMITTEE. AND SO THESE ARE

2:42:47REQUESTS FROM ADMINISTRATION

2:42:48AND FROM COUNCIL PRESIDENT,

2:42:49BECAUSE THESE HAVE TO COME ON

2:42:51TO THE COUNCIL AGENDA FOR NEXT

2:42:52WEEK. SAME WITH THIS NEXT ONE

2:42:53WE'RE ABOUT TO HEAR. THAT IS

2:42:55WHY I'M CHOOSING. I CHOSE TO

2:42:57VOTE I AND MOVE IT FORWARD. BUT

2:43:00IF THERE ARE AMENDMENTS THAT

2:43:02NEED TO GET MADE, THAT CAN

2:43:03HAPPEN IN THE PROCESS AT

2:43:05COUNCIL, OKAY WITH THAT PLEASE.

2:43:09ITEM PLEASE READ ITEM THREE.

2:43:11>> ITEM THREE. DOCUMENT NUMBER

2:43:152026-345. AMEND THE PORTLAND

2:43:17ZONING CODE TO BRING IT INTO

2:43:19COMPLIANCE WITH OREGON STATE

2:43:20LEGISLATIVE BILLS PASSED IN

2:43:232025 AND 2026. AMEND TITLE 33.

2:43:27>> ALL RIGHT. SO THIS ORDINANCE

2:43:29AMENDING TITLE 33 TO THE CITY'S

2:43:30PLANNING AND ZONING CODE TO

2:43:32ENSURE THAT PORTLAND'S LAND USE

2:43:34REGULATIONS ARE IN COMPLIANCE

2:43:35WITH VARIOUS OREGON STATE

2:43:36LEGISLATIVE BILLS THAT WERE

2:43:37PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE IN

2:43:392026 AND 2027. SO I WILL PASS

2:43:41IT OFF TO STAFF TO TAKE IT AWAY.

2:43:43>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD

2:43:45AFTERNOON, COUNCIL COMMITTEE

2:43:47MEMBERS. I'M MORGAN TRACY,

2:43:48SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE BUREAU

2:43:49OF PLANNING AND SUSTAINABILITY,

2:43:51HERE TO PRESENT THE PLANNING

2:43:52COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION ON

2:43:53THE STATE LAND USE COMPLIANCE

2:43:54PROJECT. WITH ME IS ERIC

2:43:57ENGSTROM, OUR BUREAU DIRECTOR.

2:43:58MORENO AND ERICA THOMPSON FROM

2:44:00THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL

2:44:02PRESENT ADDITIONAL REMARKS

2:44:03FOLLOWING THIS BRIEF

2:44:04PRESENTATION. ON JUNE 23RD, THE

2:44:08PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A

2:44:09PUBLIC HEARING, RECEIVED

2:44:10TESTIMONY FROM THREE

2:44:11INDIVIDUALS, DISCUSSED AND

2:44:13DELIBERATED, AND ULTIMATELY

2:44:14RECOMMENDED ADOPTING THE

2:44:15PROJECT REPORT AND AMENDING THE

2:44:17CODE TO INCORPORATE THE

2:44:18PROPOSALS. I WILL SUMMARIZE FOR

2:44:19YOU TODAY. SO TODAY I'LL

2:44:23PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW AND CONTEXT

2:44:24FOR THE STATE LEGISLATION

2:44:25INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT. SCOPE

2:44:27COVER THE PROJECT TIMELINE,

2:44:29REVIEW THE 13 PROPOSALS, AND

2:44:30THEN HAND IT OVER TO

2:44:31COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. SO THE

2:44:37PROJECT WAS INITIATED TO UPDATE

2:44:39PORTLAND ZONING CODE TO ALIGN

2:44:40WITH SEVERAL STATE BILLS

2:44:41AFFECTING HOUSING AND LAND USE

2:44:43REGULATIONS PASSED IN OREGON'S

2:44:442025 AND 2026 LEGISLATIVE

2:44:47SESSIONS. WHILE THERE WERE MANY

2:44:49BILLS THAT TOUCHED ON THESE

2:44:50TOPICS, MANY DID NOT DIRECTLY

2:44:51IMPACT ZONING REGULATIONS OR

2:44:53THE CITY IS OTHERWISE ALREADY

2:44:54IN CONFORMANCE WITH THEM. SO

2:44:56THE CHANGES PROPOSED WITH THIS

2:44:57PROJECT ARE NECESSARY TO ENSURE

2:44:59COMPLIANCE AND IMPROVE PUBLIC

2:45:00UNDERSTANDING OF HOW STATE RULE

2:45:02CHANGES WILL WORK. TOGETHER

2:45:03WITH PORTLAND'S ZONING CODE.

2:45:05FOR A LITTLE CONTEXT, THE

2:45:06PROPOSALS RESPOND TO THESE FIVE

2:45:07KEY BILLS. HOUSE BILL 2138

2:45:11REVISES ASPECTS OF MIDDLE

2:45:12HOUSING RULES THAT THE STATE

2:45:13PASSED IN 2020. SENATE BILL 974

2:45:16AND HOUSE BILL 4037 STREAMLINE

2:45:19PROCEDURES FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF

2:45:20RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT

2:45:21PROPOSALS BY LIMITING NOTICE

2:45:22AND REMOVING SOME HEARING

2:45:24REQUIREMENTS. SENATE BILL 1561

2:45:27RESPONDS TO CHALLENGES SOME

2:45:28FACED WHEN REBUILDING THEIR

2:45:29HOMES FOLLOWING THE LABOR DAY

2:45:30FIRES IN DETROIT LAKE BY

2:45:33REMOVING BARRIERS TO

2:45:34RECONSTRUCTION WHEN

2:45:35NONCONFORMING DWELLINGS ARE

2:45:36DESTROYED. AND FINALLY, HOUSE

2:45:38BILL 2005 RECOGNIZES THE NEED

2:45:40FOR HAVING MORE MENTAL HEALTH

2:45:42TREATMENT FACILITIES BY

2:45:43REQUIRING CITIES TO ALLOW THEM

2:45:44OUTRIGHT IN MORE ZONES. THE

2:45:49PROJECT BEGAN IN APRIL AND MAY

2:45:51WITH GENERAL INFORMATIONAL

2:45:53MEETINGS WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND

2:45:54ADVISORY COMMITTEES AND

2:45:55COMMISSIONS. WE TYPICALLY BEGIN

2:45:57OUR PROJECTS WITH A PUBLIC

2:45:58DISCUSSION DRAFT PHASE TO TEST

2:46:00OUR PROPOSALS AND SEEK FEEDBACK

2:46:02FOR IMPROVEMENT. HOWEVER, GIVEN

2:46:04THE IMPENDING JANUARY 1ST

2:46:06DEADLINE FOR COMPLIANCE, THAT

2:46:07MORE COMPREHENSIVE ENGAGEMENT

2:46:08WAS NOT POSSIBLE. CONSEQUENTLY,

2:46:10THE PROJECT SCOPE WAS LIMITED

2:46:12TO ITEMS NECESSARY TO COMPLY

2:46:14WITH STATE LAW, AND A PROPOSED

2:46:15DRAFT OF THOSE CHANGES WAS

2:46:17PUBLISHED IN MAY. THE PLANNING

2:46:19COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC

2:46:20HEARING ON JUNE 23RD AND VOTED

2:46:22TO RECOMMEND COUNCIL ADOPT

2:46:23THESE CHANGES. THIS PROJECT

2:46:29CONTAINS 13 PROPOSALS SEPARATED

2:46:31INTO THREE CATEGORIES. THE

2:46:33FIRST CATEGORY ADDRESSES MIDDLE

2:46:34HOUSING DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

2:46:36IN GENERAL, THESE CHANGES

2:46:38INCREASE FLEXIBILITY FOR MIDDLE

2:46:39HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, FOR

2:46:40EXAMPLE, BY ALLOWING ANY

2:46:42CONFIGURATION OF ATTACHED OR

2:46:43DETACHED UNITS, REMOVING LOT

2:46:45SIZE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE ANY

2:46:46DIFFERENT THAN A HOUSE, AND

2:46:48EXPANDING WHERE COTTAGE

2:46:49CLUSTERS ARE ALLOWED. OFFERING

2:46:51BONUSES FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS

2:46:53AND ACCESSIBLE UNITS, AND

2:46:55MAKING IT EASIER TO INCORPORATE

2:46:56EXISTING ACCESSORY DWELLING

2:46:57UNITS AND DUPLEXES INTO HOUSING

2:47:00DEVELOPMENTS. THE SECOND

2:47:04CATEGORY OF CHANGES AFFECTS THE

2:47:06PROCEDURES USED TO REVIEW AND

2:47:07APPROVE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

2:47:09THESE CHANGES ALLOW MORE

2:47:11FLEXIBILITY FOR THE TIMING OF

2:47:12RENTAL HOUSING LAND DIVISIONS

2:47:13AND OFFER A CONSOLIDATED

2:47:14PROCESS. OTHER CHANGES LIMIT

2:47:17NOTIFICATION AREAS TO

2:47:18NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES WITHIN

2:47:19100FT OF A PROJECT SITE, AND

2:47:21REMOVE THE CITY'S ABILITY TO

2:47:22NOTIFY FOR EXISTING OR

2:47:24EXPEDITED LAND DIVISIONS,

2:47:26INCLUDING MIDDLE HOUSING, LAND

2:47:27DIVISIONS, AS WELL AS ANY

2:47:29APPLICATION REVIEWED USING

2:47:30CLEAR AND OBJECTIVE STANDARDS

2:47:31LIKE AN ENVIRONMENTAL PLAN

2:47:32CHECK. THESE CHANGES ARE IN

2:47:35ORDER TO REDUCE POTENTIAL

2:47:36BARRIERS OR PROCEDURAL

2:47:37SLOWDOWNS FOR RESIDENTIAL

2:47:38DEVELOPMENT. IN ADDITION,

2:47:40APPLICATIONS FOR ZONE CHANGES

2:47:41AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS WILL

2:47:42NO LONGER HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING

2:47:44UNLESS THE CASE IS APPEALED.

2:47:48THE FINAL CATEGORY OF CHANGES

2:47:50AFFECTS PERMISSIBLE USES. THESE

2:47:52CHANGES WILL ALLOW RESIDENTIAL

2:47:54TREATMENT FACILITIES, FOR

2:47:55EXAMPLE, MENTAL HEALTH

2:47:56TREATMENT FOR SIX OR MORE

2:47:57CLIENTS IN SINGLE DWELLING AND

2:47:59INDUSTRIAL ZONES WITHOUT THE

2:48:00NEED FOR A CONDITIONAL USE

2:48:01REVIEW, AND THE OTHER CHANGE

2:48:03MAKES IT EASIER TO REPLACE

2:48:04NONCONFORMING DWELLINGS IN THE

2:48:05CASES WHERE THEY ARE DESTROYED

2:48:07BY NATURAL CAUSES LIKE FLOOD OR

2:48:09FIRE. ERICA THOMPSON FROM THE

2:48:16PLANNING COMMISSION IS HERE AND

2:48:17WILL PROVIDE THE REMARKS IN

2:48:18JUST A MOMENT. THE COMMISSION

2:48:22UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED THE

2:48:22COUNCIL ADOPT THE PROJECT AND

2:48:24REPORT AND CODE AMENDMENTS AS

2:48:25SHOWN IN THE RECOMMENDED DRAFT.

2:48:27HELLO. AND JUST A LITTLE

2:48:31ADMINISTRATIVE DETAIL BEFORE WE

2:48:32FINISH UP. THE SUPPLEMENTAL

2:48:33RECORD. MATERIALS CAN BE FOUND

2:48:34HERE AT THIS LINK. SO UNLESS

2:48:38THERE ARE ANY IMMEDIATELY

2:48:40IMMEDIATE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

2:48:42HERE'S COMMISSIONER THOMPSON TO

2:48:43SHARE THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S

2:48:44REMARKS. THANK YOU.

2:48:48>> SHOULD I GO AHEAD AND GET

2:48:49STARTED? OKAY. GREAT. WELL GOOD

2:48:51AFTERNOON COUNCILORS. MY NAME

2:48:53IS ERICA THOMPSON. I'M A MEMBER

2:48:55OF THE PORTLAND PLANNING

2:48:57COMMISSION. I'M AN ARCHITECT AT

2:48:59HANBURY EDDY ARCHITECTS HERE IN

2:49:01PORTLAND. I'M A RESIDENT OF

2:49:03DISTRICT THREE. AND TODAY I AM

2:49:06PLEASED TO REPRESENT THE

2:49:07PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE

2:49:08STATE LAND USE COMPLIANCE

2:49:11PROJECT. THAT'S BEFORE YOU. WE.

2:49:15ON JUNE 23RD, 2026, DID VOTE

2:49:19UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND THAT

2:49:21YOU ADOPT THE PROJECT REPORT

2:49:23AND THE PROPOSED TITLE 33

2:49:25AMENDMENTS. THIS REALLY IS, IN

2:49:28ESSENCE, A SIMPLE COMPLIANCE

2:49:31PROJECT IN THAT THE PROPOSED

2:49:33CHANGES ARE REQUIRED BY THE

2:49:35STATE, BUT BY ADOPTING THEM

2:49:38INTO CITY CODE, WE WILL PROMOTE

2:49:42REGULATORY CLARITY AND

2:49:44CONSISTENCY FOR DEVELOPERS AND

2:49:46APPLICANTS. THE PLANNING

2:49:48COMMISSION ALSO AGREES WITH

2:49:50STAFF AND TESTIFIERS THAT THE

2:49:52AMENDMENTS WILL CREATE A

2:49:54POSITIVE BENEFIT FOR MIDDLE

2:49:55HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, PROVIDING

2:49:57MORE FLEXIBILITY AND FEWER

2:50:00BARRIERS. WE HEARD FROM FOUR

2:50:02INDIVIDUALS WHO PROVIDED A

2:50:04TOTAL OF FIVE PIECES OF

2:50:06TESTIMONY. TESTIMONY WAS

2:50:08SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT. IT

2:50:10OFFERED SUGGESTIONS FOR WAYS TO

2:50:13GO FURTHER AND FINE TUNING THE

2:50:15DEFINITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS

2:50:17FOR COTTAGE CLUSTERS. BUT

2:50:19ULTIMATELY, THE COMMISSION FELT

2:50:21THAT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TO

2:50:23GO FURTHER WOULD BEST BE

2:50:25DEFERRED TO A FUTURE PROJECT

2:50:27ONCE THE UPCOMING STATE

2:50:29RULEMAKING IS COMPLETE AND WE

2:50:31CAN EXPLORE MIDDLE HOUSING

2:50:33IMPROVEMENTS MORE HOLISTICALLY.

2:50:36WE ALSO RECEIVED TESTIMONY

2:50:38ASKING THE CITY TO DO MORE TO

2:50:41PROVIDE EDUCATION AND AWARENESS

2:50:43OF DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES THAT

2:50:45PROMOTE ACCESSIBILITY AND AGING

2:50:47IN PLACE. THIS IS SOMETHING WE

2:50:49IDENTIFIED IN OUR TRANSMITTAL

2:50:50LETTER AND WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT

2:50:53THAT THERE'S A $500,000 FUND

2:50:56THROUGH OREGON HOUSING AND

2:50:58COMMUNITY SERVICES TO SUPPORT

2:51:00DEVELOPERS, SERVICE PROVIDERS

2:51:02AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN

2:51:04CREATING THAT EDUCATION AND

2:51:06AWARENESS. SO WHILE THAT'S NOT

2:51:08DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE

2:51:10PROVISIONS OF TITLE 33, WE

2:51:11THINK IT'S A GREAT RESOURCE AND

2:51:14WANTED TO DRAW ATTENTION TO IT

2:51:16AS SOMETHING THAT COULD

2:51:18ENCOURAGE ADOPTION OF OUR

2:51:19HOUSING ACCESSIBILITY BONUSES.

2:51:23SO THANK YOU.

2:51:26>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR

2:51:28PRESENTATION. AND SO WE I THINK

2:51:31WE HAVE SOME TESTIMONY. SO WHY

2:51:32DON'T WE TAKE TESTIMONY AND

2:51:34THEN WE CAN BRING YOU BACK UP

2:51:35IF WE HAVE COMMITTEE QUESTIONS.

2:51:37THANK YOU.

2:51:39>> WE HAVE THREE INDIVIDUALS

2:51:40SIGNED UP. FIRST IS MARY WACKER.

2:51:49ONCE MORE FOR MARY WACKER. ALL

2:51:54RIGHT. NEXT IS KEVIN VOLK. ONCE

2:52:02MORE FOR KEVIN. NEXT UP IS

2:52:10SARAH RADLETT. SARAH IS GOING

2:52:12TO JOIN US ONLINE IN A FEW

2:52:14SECONDS.

2:52:21>> GOOD AFTERNOON. CAN YOU HEAR

2:52:22ME? OKAY.

2:52:24>> CAN HEAR YOU. GO AHEAD.

2:52:25>> GREAT. MY NAME IS SARAH

2:52:27RATLEY. I'M A LAND USE PLANNER

2:52:28IN PRIVATE PRACTICE SINCE 2015.

2:52:31AND PRIOR TO THAT, I WORKED FOR

2:52:32THE CITY OF PORTLAND IN CURRENT

2:52:34PLANNING FOR 14 YEARS. SO I

2:52:37HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN

2:52:39IMPLEMENTING THE ZONING CODE.

2:52:41AND TODAY I'M HERE TO TALK

2:52:43ABOUT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE

2:52:45MIDDLE HOUSING PROVISIONS THAT

2:52:46ARE IN THIS IN THIS PROPOSAL TO

2:52:49CONFORM WITH THE STATE RULES.

2:52:52AND AS NOTED, THERE'S A LOT OF

2:52:54GREAT STUFF IN THERE. THERE'S A

2:52:56LOT OF STUFF IN THERE THAT WILL

2:52:57ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT, WILL

2:52:58ENCOURAGE INFILL HOUSING, WILL

2:53:00ENCOURAGE SMALL DEVELOPMENTS,

2:53:01SMALL HOUSES, THOSE KINDS OF

2:53:04THINGS. SO SUPER, SUPER

2:53:05EXCITING TO LOOK FOR THOSE

2:53:07STREAMLINED CHANGES. THERE ARE

2:53:10A COUPLE THINGS THAT I THINK

2:53:11WOULD MAKE IT BE MORE EFFECTIVE.

2:53:15ONE IS THAT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT

2:53:17COTTAGE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS,

2:53:18WHICH ARE MULTIPLE DETACHED

2:53:21HOMES ON LOTS. IT'S A NEWER IN

2:53:24THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, KIND OF

2:53:26MIDDLE HOUSING PIECE. ONE OF

2:53:28THE CHANGES THAT'S BEING

2:53:29PROPOSED WITH THIS PROJECT IS

2:53:31TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM SIZE OF

2:53:33A COMMON AREA, FROM 450FT TO

2:53:37750FT. AND THE REASON THAT

2:53:39THAT IS IMPACTFUL IS THAT YOU

2:53:41HAVE KIND OF A COUPLE DIFFERENT

2:53:43REGULATIONS DIRECTING THE

2:53:45AMOUNT OF COMMON AREA. ONE IS

2:53:47TYPICALLY 200FT PER UNIT. SO

2:53:50IF YOU HAVE SIX UNITS ON ONE,

2:53:52SAY 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT,

2:53:54THAT'S 1200FT OF COMMON AREA

2:53:57REQUIRED. UNDER THE NEW RULES,

2:53:59YOU WOULD HAVE ONE COMMON AREA

2:54:02THAT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 750FT,

2:54:04WHICH GETS YOU, YOU KNOW, THREE

2:54:06QUARTERS OF THE WAY THROUGH

2:54:07YOUR MINIMUM. AND THEN YOU NEED

2:54:09350FT MORE. BUT IF YOU CAN'T

2:54:11FIT THAT IN THAT ONE CONTIGUOUS

2:54:13COMMON AREA, THEN NOW YOU NEED

2:54:15ANOTHER COMMON AREA, WHICH IS

2:54:17TYPICALLY FINE. BUT THAT SECOND

2:54:19COMMON AREA ALSO HAS TO BE

2:54:22750FT INSTEAD OF WHAT IS

2:54:23CURRENTLY THE CURRENT RULES,

2:54:24WHICH ARE 450FT. SO THE THE

2:54:28RESULT IS POTENTIALLY WHEN,

2:54:30ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE WORKING

2:54:30AROUND AN EXISTING HOUSE AND

2:54:32YOUR SITE IS CONSTRAINED IN

2:54:33SOME WAY THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING

2:54:35TO BE ABLE TO NECESSARILY HAVE

2:54:37ONE COMMON AREA AND YOU'RE

2:54:38GOING TO END UP WITH MULTIPLE

2:54:40COMMON AREAS EXCEEDING THE

2:54:42MINIMUM. AND, AND THE PROBLEM

2:54:44WITH THAT IS THAT THAT THEN

2:54:45EITHER MEANS FEWER UNITS OR

2:54:47SMALLER UNITS FOR THIS KIND OF

2:54:49EXCESS EXTRA COMMON AREA. SO I

2:54:54WOULD PROPOSE THAT IF IF THE

2:54:56INTENTION IS TO INCREASE THE

2:54:58MINIMUM COMMON AREA TO 750FT,

2:55:01HAVE THAT BE FOR ONE COMMON

2:55:03AREA, AND THEN ANY ADDITIONAL

2:55:05COMMON AREAS COULD BE 450FT IN

2:55:07AREA. IT'S A IT'S A SIMPLE CODE

2:55:09FIX CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S BEEN

2:55:13HAPPENING IN THE PAST. AND THEN

2:55:14REALLY QUICK BECAUSE I'M ALMOST

2:55:15OUT OF TIME. MY SECOND COMMENT

2:55:18HAS TO DO WITH PARKING AND HOW

2:55:19PARKING WILL BE DIFFERENTLY

2:55:21REGULATED FOR A FOUR PLEX OF

2:55:23ATTACHED UNITS, OR FOUR UNITS

2:55:25OF DETACHED OR MIXED. SO

2:55:27THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT CODE

2:55:28SECTIONS THAT WOULD REGULATE

2:55:30THOSE. AND IT WILL BE CONFUSING

2:55:32FOR APPLICANTS AND EVERYONE TO

2:55:34FALL UNDER. ONE RULE FOR IF

2:55:35YOUR UNITS ARE ATTACHED TO EACH

2:55:37OTHER, AND A DIFFERENT RULE IF

2:55:38YOUR UNITS ARE DETACHED.

2:55:42>> THANK YOU COUNCILOR.

2:55:43>> THANK YOU.

2:55:44>> WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO LET

2:55:46THE TESTIFIER EXPLAIN THAT

2:55:48SECOND POINT, EVEN THOUGH THEIR

2:55:49TIME IS UP, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE

2:55:51ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP TO

2:55:52TESTIFY.

2:55:53>> THAT'S FINE.

2:55:53>> THANK YOU.

2:55:56>> GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO

2:55:59CURRENTLY, THE RULES FOR

2:56:01PARKING, THERE'S THERE'S KIND

2:56:02OF THERE'S TWO SECTIONS OF

2:56:03RULES FOR PARKING. ONE IS FOR

2:56:05HOUSES, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES AND

2:56:07FOURPLEXES. AND THAT'S ONE SET

2:56:08OF RULES. AND THEN AND SO

2:56:10THAT'S THE DRIVEWAY. SO MAYBE

2:56:11YOU HAVE LIKE A COTTAGE CLUSTER

2:56:13PROJECT WHERE YOU DRIVE ONTO

2:56:14THE SITE WITH A SHARED DRIVEWAY,

2:56:16AND THEN EVERYBODY HAS THEIR

2:56:17GARAGE OR A COMMON PARKING AREA

2:56:18OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S,

2:56:20THAT'S KIND OF THE SCENARIO

2:56:21THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND

2:56:24THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER SECTION

2:56:25OF CODE THAT'S ALL OTHER

2:56:27DEVELOPMENT AND THAT ALL OTHER

2:56:28DEVELOPMENT IS STAFF WOULD

2:56:29PROBABLY SPEAK TO HASN'T REALLY

2:56:31BEEN LOOKED AT IN DEPTH FOR

2:56:33MIDDLE HOUSING AND COTTAGE

2:56:35CLUSTERS AND SUCH, BUT IT'S

2:56:37GOING TO GET KIND OF EVEN WORSE

2:56:38NOW BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A

2:56:40FOURPLEX THAT IS ATTACHED,

2:56:42UNITS, FOUR UNITS ATTACHED, YOU

2:56:44FALL UNDER THE FIRST CODE. BUT

2:56:46IF YOU HAVE FOUR UNITS THAT ARE

2:56:48MAYBE TWO OF THEM ATTACHED, AND

2:56:49THEN A SPACE AND THEN TWO OF

2:56:51THEM ATTACHED, NOW YOU FALL

2:56:52UNDER THE OTHER CODE. SO

2:56:54THEY'RE ALMOST IDENTICAL

2:56:56DEVELOPMENTS, BUT THEY HAVE

2:56:57VERY, VERY DIFFERENT PARKING

2:56:59REGULATIONS. SO I WOULD PROPOSE

2:57:01THAT THE THE CODES BE LABELED 1

2:57:04TO 4 UNITS IS THE FIRST SECTION.

2:57:06AND THE SECOND SECTION IS FIVE

2:57:09AND ABOVE UNITS. AND IT WOULD

2:57:11IT WOULD FALL IN LINE WITH HOW

2:57:12THE CODE IS IMPLEMENTED

2:57:14CURRENTLY. SO IT WOULDN'T BE A

2:57:15BIG CHANGE FOR ANY OF THE

2:57:18IMPLEMENTATION. AND IT WOULD

2:57:19CLARIFY, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST

2:57:21GOING TO BE WEIRD IF, IF WE'RE

2:57:23EXPLAINING TO PEOPLE LIKE, WELL,

2:57:24IF YOU ATTACH YOUR UNITS TO

2:57:26EACH OTHER, ALL, THEN YOU

2:57:28FOLLOW THESE REGULATIONS FOR

2:57:29YOUR DRIVEWAY. BUT IF YOU WANT

2:57:31TO BREAK IN THAT ATTACHMENT,

2:57:32NOW YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THESE

2:57:33DIFFERENT REGULATIONS AND, AND

2:57:35PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO BE

2:57:36LIKE, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY

2:57:37SENSE. SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY

2:57:39TWO TOP. KIND OF REQUESTS FOR

2:57:44CHANGE THAT I THINK ARE SIMPLE

2:57:46ENOUGH TO BE TWEAKED IN THE

2:57:48CODE WITHOUT CHANGING THE

2:57:50INTENT OR CHANGING. YEAH,

2:57:52WITHOUT CHANGING THE INTENT AND

2:57:53BEING CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S

2:57:54BEING IMPLEMENTED CURRENTLY.

2:57:58>> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE

2:58:00ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, SARAH. WE

2:58:02APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

2:58:03>> THANK YOU.

2:58:04>> LET'S GET INTO IT. COUNCILOR

2:58:06VICE CHAIR GREEN.

2:58:08>> THANK YOU, CHAIR AVALOS. AND

2:58:09I'VE GOT MY EYE ON THE CLOCK

2:58:11HERE. I JUST WANTED TO ASK

2:58:14REALLY QUICKLY WHETHER THAT

2:58:17LAST TESTIFIERS SUGGESTIONS OR

2:58:20THINGS THAT THE PLANNING BUREAU

2:58:22COULD COULD THINK THROUGH AND

2:58:24ACCOMMODATE BEFORE WE WERE TO

2:58:25BRING THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL,

2:58:27IS THAT A THING THAT WE COULD

2:58:29CONTEMPLATE?

2:58:29>> WE WE APPRECIATE THE INPUT

2:58:32AND SUGGESTIONS THAT MISS

2:58:33BRADLEY HAS PROVIDED IN THE

2:58:35PAST. AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER,

2:58:37WE WERE FACED WITH THE DILEMMA.

2:58:39WE COULD EITHER TAKE THE TIME

2:58:40AND THINK MORE HOLISTICALLY

2:58:42ABOUT OUR MIDDLE HOUSING

2:58:44DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, OR

2:58:45ADDRESS THE STATE MANDATES

2:58:47BEFORE THIS JANUARY 1ST

2:58:49COMPLIANCE DEADLINE. THE CHANGE

2:58:52TO THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT

2:58:55NOT TOO DIFFICULT TO

2:58:56ACCOMMODATE IF WE JUST DON'T

2:58:57MAKE THE AMENDMENT THAT'S

2:58:58PROPOSED, JUST KEEP IT AT A 450

2:59:00SQUARE FOOT. AS IT STANDS TODAY,

2:59:02THAT'S AN EASY CHANGE. THE

2:59:04PARKING GETS A LITTLE MORE

2:59:05COMPLICATED. THE PARKING

2:59:07STANDARDS WERE DEVELOPED WITH

2:59:08THE NOTION OF A SINGLE

2:59:10STRUCTURE, A SINGLE PRIMARY

2:59:11STRUCTURE, AND WHERE YOU PUT

2:59:13YOUR DRIVEWAYS AND GARAGES

2:59:15AROUND THAT WHEN YOU MOVE INTO

2:59:17WHAT'S CALLED MULTI-DWELLING

2:59:18DEVELOPMENT, WHEN YOU START

2:59:19SEPARATING THOSE UNITS UP, IT,

2:59:23THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT

2:59:24TYPES OF KIND OF CONSIDERATIONS

2:59:25THAT NEED TO BE THOUGHT THROUGH

2:59:27AND, AND ADDRESSED. AND IT'S

2:59:29NOT A AS YOU IMAGINE WHEN WE

2:59:31TALK ABOUT PARKING, IT'S NOT

2:59:33ALWAYS A SIMPLE KIND OF

2:59:36SOLUTION. THERE ARE LOTS OF

2:59:37IMPACTS THAT WE NEED TO

2:59:38CONSIDER. SO WITH THAT FRAME IN

2:59:42MIND, AGAIN, WE THINK THAT THE

2:59:43DIRECTION IS RIGHT. WE THINK

2:59:45THAT LOOKING AT MORE EVEN

2:59:49STANDARDS FOR ALL TYPES OF

2:59:50MIDDLE HOUSING IS SENSIBLE. BUT

2:59:52WE ALSO THINK WE NEED TO TAKE

2:59:54THE TIME TO MAKE SURE WE DO

2:59:56THAT RIGHT, RATHER THAN JUST

2:59:57TRY TO APPLY. THE STANDARD WAS

2:59:58DESIGNED FOR A DIFFERENT TYPE

3:00:00OF PRODUCT ONDA, ONDA, THESE

3:00:02DETACHED SORT OF UNITS.

3:00:04>> I APPRECIATE THAT. I WOULD

3:00:08BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THAT

3:00:09FIRST TWEAK COULD LOOK LIKE. I

3:00:10DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT THAT

3:00:12LITTLE OF COMMON SPACE, BUT I'M

3:00:15CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS

3:00:16COULD COME UP WITH. I

3:00:17UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS ARE ALSO

3:00:18DOING A LOT OF OTHER WORK. SO.

3:00:21MY LAST QUESTION IS THEN IF WE

3:00:24WERE TO SORT OF MOVE THIS

3:00:25FORWARD EVEN AS IS AND ADOPT

3:00:27THIS MEET MEET THE REQUIREMENT,

3:00:29WOULD WE BE ABLE TO TWEAK THIS

3:00:31DOWN THE ROAD?

3:00:32>> WE ARE ANTICIPATING WE

3:00:35ACTUALLY HAVE A PROJECT QUEUING

3:00:37UP TO LOOK AT FACILITY MIDDLE

3:00:39HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND A

3:00:41NUMBER OF OTHER TRICKS UP OUR

3:00:42SLEEVE IN TERMS OF HOW WE

3:00:44ADDRESS DEVELOPMENT IN THE IN

3:00:46THE CURRENTLY LABELED SINGLE

3:00:48DWELLING ZONES AND THINKING

3:00:49ABOUT THOSE STANDARDS AND

3:00:52MAKING THEM WORK MORE

3:00:54EFFECTIVELY, BOTH ACROSS SINGLE

3:00:55DWELLING AND MULTIDWELLING

3:00:56ZONES. SO AS DEVELOPERS ARE

3:00:59LOOKING AT SITES, THEY ARE NOT

3:01:01FORCED WITH THE SORTS OF

3:01:02DILEMMAS THAT MISS RADLEY

3:01:03RAISED, WHICH IS YOU HAVE THIS

3:01:05KIND OF STANDARD IN THIS ZONE

3:01:06AND A DIFFERENT STANDARD IN

3:01:08THIS ZONE, SAME PRODUCT, SAME

3:01:09LOOK AT THE END. BUT YOU HAVE

3:01:11TO SORT OF JUMP THROUGH

3:01:12DIFFERENT HURDLES. SO PART OF

3:01:13OUR OBJECTIVE WITH THAT OTHER

3:01:14PROJECT IS TO LOOK AGAIN, MORE,

3:01:16MORE HOLISTICALLY AT ALL THOSE

3:01:17REQUIREMENTS TOGETHER.

3:01:18>> I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

3:01:19I'M PREPARED TO MOVE THIS TODAY.

3:01:23>> COUNCILOR. PIRTLE-GUINEY.

3:01:25>> THANK YOU CHAIR. IT MAKES

3:01:28SENSE TO ME THAT THE PARKING

3:01:29NEEDS A A DEEPER LOOK. THERE'S

3:01:32A LOT THAT WE TOUCH WITH

3:01:33DIFFERENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS

3:01:34IN THE CITY. THE FIRST COMMENT

3:01:36THAT THE TESTIFIER BROUGHT UP

3:01:38ABOUT HAVING A REQUIREMENT FOR

3:01:41750FT OF COMMON SPACE, BUT THE

3:01:44ADDITIONAL COMMON SPACE AREAS

3:01:48AROUND PROPERTY COULD BE

3:01:51SMALLER STILL, KEEPING THAT 450

3:01:52MINIMUM SO THAT THEY'RE NOT SO

3:01:53THAT THEY'RE USABLE, BUT SO

3:01:56THAT WE DON'T ENCROACH ON THE

3:01:59SPACE NEEDED FOR FOR HOUSING.

3:02:02MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. I

3:02:04UNDERSTAND THAT THE INTENT WITH

3:02:05WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS TO

3:02:07JUST MOVE FORWARD WHAT IS

3:02:09REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. I'M

3:02:11HAPPY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT

3:02:13WE HAVE TODAY, BUT I WANTED TO

3:02:15RAISE THAT BECAUSE IT SOUNDED

3:02:16LIKE YOU WERE SUGGESTING WE

3:02:17COULD MOVE BACK TO THE 450

3:02:19MINIMUM, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT

3:02:20WE DON'T DO THAT. I WOULD HOPE

3:02:22THAT WE KEEP THE 750 MINIMUM

3:02:23FOR A A LARGER COMMON SPACE

3:02:26AREA, BUT CONSIDER HAVING SOME

3:02:29SMALLER MINIMUM FOR SECONDARY

3:02:31COMMON SPACES WHERE THERE ARE

3:02:33MULTIPLE COMMON SPACES WITHIN

3:02:34THE SAME DEVELOPED AREA.

3:02:36>> APPRECIATE THE. THE

3:02:39DIRECTION. I THINK THE DILEMMA

3:02:40THAT WE'RE FACING WITH THAT

3:02:42REVERTING TO THE STANDARD

3:02:43THAT'S IN PLACE TODAY IS

3:02:45BASICALLY A. WE WOULD JUST GIVE

3:02:46DIRECTION TO OMIT THAT THAT

3:02:49THAT AMENDMENT FROM THE PACKAGE.

3:02:52SO BASICALLY NOT CHANGE THE

3:02:54STANDARD. IF WE'RE TALKING

3:02:55ABOUT CREATING A SORT OF

3:02:58BIFURCATED STANDARD WHERE YOU

3:02:59HAVE AN INITIAL 750FT,

3:03:01FOLLOWED BY SOMETHING THAT'S

3:03:03SMALLER, WE'D HAVE TO KIND OF

3:03:04CRAFT WHAT THAT LANGUAGE LOOKS

3:03:06LIKE, WHICH I'M NOT REALLY

3:03:08PREPARED TO DO ON THE STAND.

3:03:10>> I, I.

3:03:11>> WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH

3:03:12THAT BEING PART OF FUTURE WORK

3:03:13THAT YOU'RE DOING AND NOT

3:03:14ADDRESSING THAT TODAY AND

3:03:15MOVING THIS FORWARD. I THINK

3:03:17THAT THE TESTIFIER RAISED SOME

3:03:18VERY LEGITIMATE POINTS. I JUST

3:03:20DON'T WANT US TO OVERCORRECT IN

3:03:23THE OTHER DIRECTION BY MOVING

3:03:24BACK TO HAVING ONLY THOSE

3:03:27SMALLER COMMON SPACES IN OUR

3:03:29OUR MULTI-BUILDING DEVELOPMENTS.

3:03:31>> UNDERSTAND?

3:03:32>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

3:03:35>> ALL RIGHT. SEEING AS THERE'S

3:03:36NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. LAST

3:03:38CALL THEN I WOULD LIKE TO

3:03:41ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE

3:03:42ORDINANCE DOCUMENT NUMBER

3:03:452026-345 TO THE FULL COUNCIL,

3:03:46WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO PASS.

3:03:49>> SO MOVED.

3:03:50>> SECOND.

3:03:51>> MOVED BY VICE CHAIR GREEN,

3:03:53SECONDED BY COUNCILOR

3:03:54PIRTLE-GUINEY. CLERK, PLEASE

3:03:56CALL THE ROLL.

3:03:58>> GREEN.

3:04:00>> AYE, MORILLO.

3:04:02>> PIRTLE-GUINEY.

3:04:02>> AYE, MORILLO.

3:04:03>> KOYAMA LANE.

3:04:04>> AYE, MORILLO.

3:04:05>> NOVICK. ABSENT.

3:04:09>> AVALOS I.

3:04:11>> WITH FOUR EYES AND ONE

3:04:12ABSENT. THE MOTION CARRIES AND

3:04:14THE ORDINANCE DOCUMENT NUMBER

3:04:172026-345 MOVES TO THE FULL

3:04:19COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION

3:04:20TO BE PASSED.

3:04:21>> AND THE STATE LAND USE

3:04:23COMPLIANCE PROJECT IS CONTINUED

3:04:25TO A FULL COUNCIL MEETING ON

3:04:27OCTOBER 14TH AT 9:45 A.M. TIME.

3:04:30CERTAIN.

3:04:31>> THANK YOU.

3:04:33>> THANK YOU. RIGHT. WITH THAT,

3:04:36LIKE I SAID, NEXT MEETING WILL

3:04:38BE THE CLIMATE AND HEALTH

3:04:39STANDARDS POLICY, AND THERE

3:04:41WILL BE PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND

3:04:42COMMITTEE DISCUSSION. FOR NOW,

3:04:44I WILL ADJOURN THE HOUSING AND

3:04:45PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING AT

3:04:474:58 P.M.