2026-11-04 - City Council Workshop

You know, all this regular workshop meeting of the Jacksonville City Council in order. Council, you have a copy of the proposed agenda for tonight's meeting and I will entertain a motion to adopt that

agenda. >> So moved. >> Second. >> I have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Hearing none, all in favor signify by saying aye. >> Aye. >> You have adoption of the minutes from October 20th, 2026

regular meeting and you have eight consent items. >> Move approval of the minutes and consent items as presented. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? Hearing none, all in favor signify by saying

aye. >> Whoa, hold on. Put the brakes on. I was just going to make one comment about the Mission BBQ. I certainly appreciate the I certainly appreciate uh them providing the police and fire department

with that uh with those donations to help them uh do their job a little bit better. Thank you. >> Councilman Gilleru and we have a motion and a second and we had any further discussion. All in favor

signify by >> Aye. >> All of it. Okay. All right, going down to the non-consent items. You have this Resilient Coastal Communities Program, SRCCP. And I believe that we have a proposal to present this

item. Option >> Mayor, I'll let you know um we did have the temperature perfect and then Wally started messing with it earlier. >> [laughter] >> And so Wally had to make a decision between hot and

cold, Mayor, and apparently he decided to turn the AC off. I apologize, Mayor. We'll talk to him later, but this was all Wally. >> have a word WITH HIM. >> OKAY. [laughter] I'LL TAKE THE BLAME for

that. >> He might have received bad intel there. But yeah, so Ryan and Wally are going to both present on this map. >> All right, so we'll give you some more hot air, I guess. It's really important

hot air, though. >> So uh good evening, Marion Council. We wanted to provide an update. Uh as you may recall, all this time last year you uh the council was giving us approval to go and uh accept a

grant, a no-match grant from DCM, the the post the division of coastal management, uh for the RCCP, which is the Resilient Coastal Communities Program. And uh we received that grant, and over the last

year we have been going through phases one and two. Uh as on the slide before you tonight, it's uh provides technical assistance and grant funding at no cost. So this was an $85,000 grant that there

was no match for. Uh phases one and two, uh we have been engaging in this process along the way, and then we're going to also talk to you tonight about phase three, which is the the next step in

engineering and design. There's another application that's due on the 10th that we're going to talk to you about. >> Please stand by. We are experiencing technical difficulties. >> It's the heat. >>

OKAY, THERE WE GO. So um the DCM paired us with uh Kleinfelder Incorporated for the phases one and two. And it is about to wrap up, and we will have a report um before around the 4th of December. And

get back one. If you can't meet you. All right, so we kicked off last November. A community action team was established that was made up of uh city staff, multiple departments, uh planning board

representatives, um Ms. Cantrell was on there, um and other folks to basically help guide this program. Um we also engaged the citizens. We participated in the Jackson Jamboree, and we also had public

surveys to receive input. We had around 200 or so people that participated in that engagement through the survey piece. We identified the city's vulnerabilities and risks, and then we developed and

evaluated potential resilient projects that we will now be able to seek funding with phases three and four. We would not have been eligible to seek those funds had we not participated in phases one

and two. As council may remember, our initial thought process for both one, two, and three was to seek funding to update the city's CAMA long-range plan. Unfortunately, that didn't happen with um

phases one and two, and there's also not money identified for that type of plan with phase three, but we do have another option that we want to um ask the city council to consider. Next slide, please.

I think there was one more. Can you go back? Um so within um the RCCP one and two, these were the items that we identified. I mentioned the CAMA plan for possible future funding. Still an option in

the future, although council did allocate money in this year's budget for us to go ahead and begin working on that land use plan. Um drainage infrastructure improvement programs, one of which was the

Georgetown stream restoration. That's important because that's what we're going to talk to you about here in just a moment for phase three. But some other items that we identified through this process

were green stormwater infrastructure retrofits, some upgrades to water wastewater facilities, uh something specific for the flood mitigation in Skill Creek and I think you're going to see that kind of

cross multiple components. That's one of the items that we're talking about with the mirror program right now because it's got a city component but also a Camp Lejeune base component. And then

Nottingham Road drainage rehab which is specific to um that piece. Next slide, please. So next steps, we're wrapping up phases one and two and then we would like to pursue if the council will will so

give us the ability to make application for engineering and design for that project that we've selected which is the Georgetown stream restoration project and those applications are due on the 10th of

this month. Uh so [clears throat] with that we're going to go in I want to show you and uh what engineering and folks have come up with for the restoration project. Next slide, please. The Georgetown

stream restoration project is approximately 2,000 ft long and it goes it spans from just west of Georgetown Road over to Leonard Street. And the purpose behind this project would be to reduce

flooding, protect private property, and improve water quality. Next slide, please. Uh this area in yellow delineates that 2,000 ft from right there by the um Crumpler Marina which is right there under

the T in restoration and goes slightly to the uh west of Georgetown Road. And if you remember or if you if you will remember this location right here that's at the very start of this project. There's

some pictures we're going to show you that kind of go along that area that we're looking to make improvements for. Uh next slide, please. This [snorts] is Georgetown Road not during a hurricane event,

just a normal summer heavy rain kind of situation. Um so we're looking to you know, take some action to fix this area. Next slide, please. So this is looking on both sides of that street in the same

area not quite as much water in this particular case. But, basically on the on the one side of the road you have a large pipe that dumps into the ditch and then it goes to a small pipe that goes

underneath the roadway. Uh and then it basically heads towards the river. Next slide, please. >> take that to where the where the school board is and >> Sure. Uh back up one. Wally, do you want to

share? >> So, can we go back one more? So, the the intersection intersection you're looking at is Georgetown Road and 17. That's the stoplight you can barely see. >> The McDonald's. >> So, right

McDonald's is on the right, Taco Bell on the left. And you're actually looking and and Missionary Baptist Church, is that the name of that church? >> First Baptist. >> First Baptist is on the left. Um

and we're Yes, so we're kind of standing with that that large grass area to our left. And then there's Seager's fence and a single-family residence that backs up to the church that's on Civil Street.

>> At the end of the road there where the buses, that's where the school board is. >> Yep. >> So, the school board would be behind us in this situation. Now, if you go if we go to the next slide. >>

Wally, go back one. >> If you look right here on the right to the left of the back of that car, that mailbox right there. >> Yeah, that'll be >> that in the next slides. >> So, you're standing on the

upstream side in the left-hand picture and we included that so you can see what happens as it goes under the road. It creates that whirlpool because that pipe is just undersized. And then as it flows

over the road, it obviously creates stream problems on the other side. And um part of the challenge here is as it moves to the next slide, you'll see if we were to just upgrade the culvert to handle

that situation in Georgetown Road, we create problems at Civil Street. So, if we can go forward one, >> [snorts and clears throat] >> this is the small church on Civil Street. So, you're looking in

the right-hand picture, the church is on your left, you're actually looking toward Georgetown Road. >> And the McDonald's and Go Gas is to your right. >> Yes. So, if we if we just upsize the pipe,

which was the original intent behind the project, then we just cause more stream damage at this location. So, unfortunately, that project isn't viable without doing stream improvements all the way

down. And then, as we get to the next slide, we have basically the outfall of the river. So, this is Leonard Street right behind Crumpler Marina, um and the little green building or the green

warehouse um that sits on the corner. And I think what's important here is this was just taken with a high tide. So, if you look on the left side, you see the river, and on the right side the the

elevation of the water matches. So, this wasn't even during a rain event. So, this the bottom portion of this small little branch is tidal. So, it just creates problems along that stream. So, we need

to we need to create um or build in some additional storage, some stream bank reinforcements, and then we also need to upsize the culvert in Georgetown. >> Mr. Hanson, does that ever impact the mobile

home trailer park that's there? Some of the flooding? >> I don't know. I haven't seen You're talking about around Civil where there's some mobile homes. Yeah, I haven't ever seen that area flood

because it's higher. Um and that But it does flood The Georgetown area floods the worst. Um and then it the the the branch is deeper along Sybil, but I can't imagine that it hasn't flooded. We just

haven't seen it. I'm not aware of any property damage other than that single family house behind the church. >> And did the church have any property damage in the >> I think they did during Florence

and I think they did in that picture in 2020. >> So, this proposal will help uh prevent that from continuing or uh >> Yes, sir. And and we've lost vehicles. [clears throat] We've lost multiple

vehicles. Not we, but private individuals driving through it have lost vehicles on Georgetown Road. >> And with the church you're talking about the Jehovah's Witness Church? >> It's on I do not know

the name of the church. It's on C and D It's on Civil Street. As you go down Civil, it's on your right-hand side. >> There was the picture that Is that the That's the church that you're >> That is the

church. >> And it looks like I mean, the culvert >> And it and that house behind it sit on the same parcel. >> Yeah, that's that's behind Go Gas. >> Yep. >> When you go down between McDonald's and Go

Gas, that's where you find that church. >> Okay. >> So, just uh it's a really good contender. We've actually submitted for multiple grants um for this branch. The problem is it's it hasn't competed

very well because one, it's not shovel ready and we don't have any studies showing. We just have our experience. So, the purpose of the grant, which would be at no cost to the city, would be to fully

design that entire stream, which would then make that project compete better when we're going after additional grant funding. Um the other thing that we can do that will help it compete in the future

is take the current funding that we have to for the culvert under Georgetown, which is roughly $500,000. Um and we can apply that as a city match, and it will um, it will help the project compete

better. Um, and the design will actually allow it to compete across multiple different agencies. So, it could be NOAA, it could be the resilient communities, it could be the MER. Um, so this it could

be FEMA through the hazard mitigation. So, this kind of ties all of those efforts together. >> When my previous life, I was very concerned about uh emergency services into the into Georgetown area. >>

Yes. >> And I'm I'm assuming that this will help to alleviate that since there's only one in and one out, really. >> Yeah, well, in this in this area, you could still come down Broadhurst, you could

still go down Sybil, and you could go down Winburn. Um, but you're right, it does it does create challenges getting to Broadhurst. They would have to They could potentially have to drive further to

respond to anything along Georgetown Road. >> If all this goes to plan, how long could it be done? I mean, is there any idea? >> question. [clears throat] We don't know. Um, some of that it would take

uh it obviously we would submit it takes months to get the to find out whether we would receive grant funding, and then we would have to go through um, if we could use our own call engineering, then

it makes it a little bit faster. Um, but you're talking probably a 12-month design, and then competing for grants. So, you're still >> And work. >> It yeah, it's still not a fixing it tomorrow. >>

Yeah. >> But, you're talking to to do this project, you're not talking a $500,000 project. You're talking probably a $500,000 design for probably a two or a two and a half million-dollar project. >>

Yeah. >> That's why that's why we haven't more moved forward on just repairing the pipes under Georgetown. It doesn't solve the problem. It would actually create larger problems downstream. >> Does

that particular funding that you're talking about, is there a matching, do you know? >> There's not, no, sir. >> Not not under the RCP. >> So, they and [clears throat] and so, some of the grants we've

been very successful at getting, the NOAA grant, for example, it hasn't required any Um it hasn't required any matching funds, and we've also submitted Georgetown for NIFWIF, I don't I have no clue

what that means. Um but that's the that's the initials, it was the NIFWIF grant. It did not go They liked the project, but it didn't compete well because it was competing against projects that were

either had funds or were already designed and shovel ready. >> Do the people in the area get notified of that we're working on stuff like this, cuz obviously, let's say we're two hurricane cycles

before that, you know, maybe it gets done or not. >> That's right, yeah. Yes, we would work with them, and and quite honestly, in order to do a project like this, we would have to have easements. So,

we're going to have to work with those private property owners anyway. >> Well, it would benefit them, right? >> Absolutely. >> So, the area in the upper right hand corner, that's the area closest to

Kemah Marina that shows some of that storage area that that Mr. Hanson was talking about with the um the tidal area there. So, one of the things, you know, we mentioned that, you know, planning was

looking at this kind of um you know, singularly, we were interested in it for Kemah land use, you know, update that long range plan update. And we could have just said, you know, we're just not going

to pursue this because it wasn't getting what we were needing, but that would have been looking at it just from a very singular planning perspective as it relates to that Kemah land use plan, and we

said, well, let's look at this holistically with multiple departments, and let's go through this one and two process because this will open us up to be able to apply for additional items in the

future. So, we felt it was worthy of going through the process and we're now able to apply for these future phase threes and fours. >> See See, one of the things this project, the methodology for this

study is similar methodology that's being followed in the mirror study, which is DOD funded. And And so, you know, it's all around the theme of resilience. And it's kind of like, "What kind of hazards

do we experience in our community when we have hurricanes, tornadoes, and whatever?" And so, what we're able to do is some of the information that's in both of them are really considered by the

consultants on both reports. And so, we have, you know, really a good sync, you know, with with some of these projects. >> Is there funding available um through DEQ? The Department of Environmental

and Natural Resources. Is there any type of grant funding that we can tap in because of the significance of this? >> That That funding that I think Amy mentioned probably is a DEQ program. >> Well,

and Department of Coastal Management is a part of DEQ as well. >> Yeah, there's Yeah, yeah, there's They end up Yeah, there's there's multiple departments that end up having allocations of funding,

just like the coastal management folks have some. And DEQ actually it's a It ends up being a subset of DEQ, you know, anyhow. So, it's It you know, but but it But whenever funding grant funding is

publicized, whoever the the agency is, all these kind of studies and projects and priority lists just help. >> That That area in the blue there would be like a basin to store some of that water. >> be

more like wetlands. >> Okay. >> So, kind of, you know, work like a flood plain as the water came up, it would spread, it comes up more, spreads more. So, it wouldn't be wet all the time. It would be

standing water all of the time. So, that should help uh Crumpler's Marina as well. >> Um I don't know because they're on the river. So, the river's going to do where we see the most problems in

Georgetown is king tide, high tide, heavy rainfall all at one time. So, if you get if it's low tide and or the wind's not pushing the water up the river, then a moderate rainfall, we're okay. It's

when you end up with all of those components all at once, which does happen if um about 2 weeks ago or 3 weeks ago, we had a king tide and even River Street was flooded. It was simply from the tide.

It hadn't even rained. Um so, it's again, a lot of it is that tide that tide and the wind affect the river so much. >> Mr. Hanson, you mentioned that um the possibility of um you're going to have to

ask for easements from the residents. So, what's the minimum of an easement? >> It depends on the area. So, the area in the basin, obviously lot larger, lot wider than right up against the church,

there's not much room there. So, there it would probably be more of what we would call a construction easement. It just gives us the right to come in, do the work, and then we would restore, and then

the easement area would be over the drainage way, the permanent easement area. So, it really depends on each piece of property. >> And hopefully in some of these areas where they're sort of the land

is wet to start with and we just want to make it, you know, wetlands or that kind of stuff for storage, it really doesn't, you know, it's not a loss to the resident of the land, but it will help the

entire area by holding water. >> But in that blue area, they couldn't build anyway today, couldn't they? >> Correct. In most of that area, they couldn't build anyway. And that is a blue line stream,

and we do have a sewer line that runs parallel to a large portion of that branch. >> And the new flood map's going to affect in February, so that too could cause areas where it may not be in a flood

zone today, it may be in the future. So, on the next steps, um you can go to the next slide. Actually, we have to go through a couple here. >> [snorts] >> Keep going. So, if if council's in support of

us applying for that no cost grant for phase three for the Georgetown Road Stream Restoration Project, we would ask that you um authorize us to do so. >> You put a motion or consensus? >> Motion. >>

I'll make a motion that we authorize staff to apply for the engineering and design of the Georgetown Road Stream Restoration Project. >> So moved. >> We have a motion and a second. Is there any

further discussion? Hearing none, all in favor signify by saying aye. >> Aye. >> All opposed. >> Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Councilor Curry. >> GEORGETOWN ROAD. >> NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO NUMBER 10. >>

CAROLINE >> [snorts] >> Backus for the health issue update. >> Payton Curry and Alan Duke. >> Yep. >> Hey, we didn't have these turned around cuz we didn't want to distract you with Ryan and Wally

speaking, so >> I thought you were going to draw. >> This is pretty >> [laughter] >> well balanced. >> THIS IS MY CRAYON. >> ALL RIGHT, SO YOU GUYS >> CAROLINE, IT'S ALL YOURS. >> GOOD EVENING, Mayor

and members of Council. It's good to see you all again. We can go ahead and go to the next slide. Just as a reminder, my name's Caroline Mackie. I'm with the law firm of Poyner Spruill. I've been

engaged by the city to help through this redistricting process. So, this is just a recap of kind of where we have been and when. This Council adopted a resolution to redistrict a few months ago. We

talked about criteria. Council adopted criteria on October 6th. Approved a process to to begin the redistricting process and requested that we come back with at least four maps for your consideration.

And so, tonight is simply an introduction of those first four map scenarios. You can see that they don't have all of the detail and that's coming. This is just simply an introduction. We're not really

not really looking for feedback tonight. I'll be back in 2 [clears throat] weeks to dig in a little bit more and get some more feedback. Um also after Well, already on the city's website, there is a

link to our redistricting page. So, you you can go there. Members of of the community can go there. You can see the existing board maps. You can see the resolutions that the city has adopted and you

can see these first four mapping scenarios. Um coming is an interactive map, which I think will be more helpful for you in the next 2 weeks before we meet again. So, you'll be able to zoom in on that.

You'll be able to type in a street if you want to see, okay, where is this street in this plan? Um so, I think that will be more helpful and will better inform our conversation in 2 weeks. >> Will the

criteria be on there as well so they can see what was taken into consideration? >> The criteria is on on that. Just this list is on there. The the resolution adopting the criteria. Yes. Um okay, so

just as a a refresh, this is the 11 criteria that council adopted. Um in these four scenarios that we're looking at tonight, they all meet number one and number two. Um we have balanced population

within the plus or minus 5% requirement in all four and race was not a factor in any of it. That information was taken out of the computer program before we started. Um the other criteria you can look

at them and see kind of how they apply and and how they they don't. I mean, it's we go back to the purchasing a car and you can't always maximize everything. So, um within these four scenarios, you'll

see that some sort of give and take to one another. Um next slide, please. Okay, so this is sort of the most important thing for us um in in mapping. This is the one that we have to comply with. So,

the total city population is 76,157. Reminder, this is 2020 census numbers applied to city's current boundaries. So, it's about 3,000 more people than the 2021 redistricting. If you divide that number

by four, you get your [clears throat] ideal district size of 19,039 people. And then the the rule in North Carolina is that plus or minus 5%. So, the range for each ward needs to be 18,088 people up

to 19,990 people. Next slide, please. Okay, so here are the existing wards. This is um without the additional base annexation. So, this is what you all have [clears throat] seen and you're familiar

with. And next slide, please. These are the numbers and these are also on the handout. Um again, these numbers do not include the additional base annexation. So, this is the 72,000 figure for total

population. But you can see this chart compares the four wards and you've got your off-base population, your on-base population, and your total for each ward. >> [snorts] >> And next slide. Okay. >>

[clears throat] >> Any questions before we jump into the four? Okay. Um scenario A. This scenario was designed as sort of a minimal change from your existing ward plan. The additional annexed areas of

the base were really just added to the closest geographically and then things were adjusted to account for population and to equalize population. This scenario does not split any census blocks. So, if

you can see those lines that are within the different wards, those are the census blocks and those are all kept whole in this. There were two census blocks, I believe, in the 2021 plan that were

split. Those have been put back together here. And next slide. Same map, um just different information on it. This This map shows some of the major roads. It shows the river, and it's taken out those

census blocks. So, it might be a little easier just for orientation purposes. Okay, next slide. And here's your population figures. And again, you've got off base, on base, and then [clears throat]

total. And you can see all of those total population figures are within that plus or minus 5% range. >> [snorts] >> Okay, next slide. Scenario B. This one um was designed to meet the 11th criterion,

which was to distribute equally the base population among [clears throat] all four wards. So, the way that this was accomplished was to divide the non-base portion of the city into four, equalize that

population, divide the base population or the areas of the city into four, equalize population, and then match those together. And then, there was some cleanup to to make it work on on the matching

part. Um And then, next slide. And again, same Yeah, you can see the river. You can The census blocks are taken out. You can see some major roads. And then, the next slide. Um this is the one that

shows kind of that equalizing the population among the four wards on off base, on base, and then again, total population. >> All right, next slide. Scenario C is sort of an interesting one. This is

what the GIS system came up with as just something to to draw generally compact districts and not splitting census blocks and putting things that are going to contiguous and generally compact. So,

this is sort of the computer doing the work and it was kind of interesting and different from what you have and so we wanted to bring it to you to to be you know, one of the maps that you all could

look at. So, next slide. And next slide. And this one you can see it's um that ward three does not have any part of the base. The others it's not equalized but they do have a portion of the base.

[clears throat] And then total population was equalized. All right, next slide. And the last one is also a little bit different from the others. Um rather than splitting the base among three ward or

four wards, they split it among three. So, it puts sort of one ward as off base and then um you know, splits the base among three other wards. So, this was really kind of an attempt to balance the

11th criterion with some of the other ones. Next slide. And next slide. So, you can see again here um the the base is divided pretty equally among those three boards. And then one obviously has zero

and has 100% off base. And population is equalized in these. One thing I forgot to mention is all four scenarios keep incumbents in separate wards. None of them are paired. And that's that's it. Those

are the four scenarios. Um Again, I'll be back in 2 weeks to get feedback to have more discussion about it. This is just an initial intro with a little bit of information about it and then you have

time to go back and study the website and and we'll send out the interactive map when it's available. >> Carolyn, we have a few questions here. >> Yeah, not to start a discussion per se, but just kind

of a general question. Just to make sure that we're understanding correctly as well as the public. The next step will be solidifying some maps to go forward for public input and that kind of thing,

but all of this is can be fine-tuned a little as we go. If there's something we like about map D, but we want to shift something a little bit, we can see if that works. So, there's a little bit of

work still going into this and to part two, uh if I remember correctly from our earlier discussions, every single one of these four options meets all of the legal criteria to be legally permissible

and defensible as a map we could use for redistricting. >> Yes on the second question. Yes on the first question. So, that will be the feedback in 2 weeks. It'll be hey, I was looking and I see that

this neighborhood is in this ward and I'd really like to see it, you know, over here. Is that possible? And so, I will take furious notes and then we will go back and see what's possible. >>

[laughter] >> Um And yes. >> Two questions. One, when would that map be available? Do you have any idea? >> I I don't. >> Is it I guess give us enough time frame or time to, you know, study and look

at it before the next meeting? >> Yes, it >> It'll be before the 17th. >> It'll be before the 17th. Yes. >> within a week that that'll be available online. Other questions? >> Yeah, I have one. And my

other question was, I know you said about the census in the base and all that stuff. What about future growth? How does that Because like right now, you know, where three where I'm at, you know, Gum

Branch, I mean, there's a bunch of houses already built. There's a lot of permits, you know, working on, you know, a lot of neighborhoods going on those areas. Is that stuff taken into consideration

as well? >> Yes, so that's the the city has the future developments that we can see that were put on there as we were going through the process. And you can look at kind of those population numbers to

figure it out. Um the other factor I'll mention is it is 2026. A new census will come in 2030. So the you know, the future growth is really only 4 years that we're looking at. It's not where we're

looking ahead 10 years and trying to plan out what's going to happen in 10 years. Um but >> stuff is going on right now. >> Yeah. Yeah. And so we do have We have those neighborhoods and we have how

many units, single family units are are being planned. >> Got you. >> Is there a possibility that we can at least have some at least a street boundary as we're looking at these maps so we

geographically can see where these boundaries are? Not all of the streets, but just like >> Major? >> Yes, north, south, east, and west. So that'll give us a navigation as to where these lines land.

Yes. >> The interactive map will certainly help with that. You'll be able to It'll It'll look sort of like Google Maps or something like that where you can move around on the screen and you can zoom

in and zoom out and you can see where it So that will certainly help orient you with what's what. Were you going to add something else? >> No, that was that was the point that you can expand that map

and you can move over and look at where the boundary is. Right now, the boundaries in some cases are are on the the census of boundaries and that's in the you know and that in some cases isn't

anything but like a property line. You know, especially along the edge of the city limits. >> But at least it'll give you some navigational um So we will not have we will have that before the 17th

meeting. >> You will have it before the 17th. It's it's in the works. It's just not ready yet. >> But it's not going to be a printed map per se. It's going to be your ability >> something just to give

you some pinpoint that you have an idea of where you are. >> You would have for sure be able to see the detail. Yeah. >> Other questions, Ms. Mackey? >> Um I just want to say thank you. Um I know this

could not be easy um considering the demands um not just from council but you know, other entities as well. Um pleased with what was presented. I really am. Um Um so thank you for all the effort and

the work put into it and I know we got a you know, a little ways to go but I'm pleased with what I've what I've seen and I'm seeing. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, and this is a starting point. This is you

know >> I echo that as well and especially the staff cuz I'm I'm sure I'm sure the staff had a lot of work to put this together. >> What is like a ideal deadline for all this? We were talking about

some different dates, wasn't there? >> We were targeting January. >> Okay. To approve the maps? >> To approve the maps and yeah. >> And are we are we on schedule to do that? >> We'll see. That

[laughter] is the question. That is up to you all. >> I think just having something out here now that we can physically see you know, we're at this juncture. I don't know about anybody else but it's

like okay, that's an exhale moment. You know, so now it's a matter of narrowing it down, presenting it. Any other comments? Again, um car analogy. Yeah, you might get two out of it. You might get

Pinto out of it but we're going to get we'll we definitely can see now and it's it's very helpful. >> If we make if we make tweaks, they're going to be based on on legal You going to let us know if we

can make those great. >> The main council adopted criteria that guided what you see in front of you and that should guide future decisions. >> Any other questions relevant to this what we've talked

about tonight as far as what she's been able to present to us that you need clarification on? >> Sounds good. >> All right, so on the 17th we'll come back. We'll have maps, right? I would suggest that

you take these with you home or wherever you want to take them to and study them very good and think and you know, be ready to discuss them on the 17th. I kind of wanted to push this along as far as

just a question and answer thing tonight. It you know, for him he'll be back on the 17th so that in respect for him being here make sure we can >> Yes, I have a question for you, sir. So, the 17th is

a city council meeting. So, what would be the process for the public because the public will have a public comment sections. So, >> Well, at some point and correct me if I'm wrong, we have two

attorneys to correct. At some point there will be a public input session, correct? >> That's correct. A special public hearing. >> And then when there will be a public hearing, correct? >> There will

have to be, but for the next meeting of course there's just a public comment. >> a public comment. >> Yes, so they can make comments. Okay. >> Absolutely. There's going to be like a public meeting

where they can come in and look at the maps. Absolutely. Yes, that's part of the process. >> Yes, may very well be a series of them to give people opportunity to see them and interact. Carolyn will

keep us straight. >> Any other questions? All right, that's all right. Mr. Ray. >> Thank you, sir. Mayor, I'll tell you as we're getting started here on on the one city moments, we are as Carolyn

pointed out, we are working towards having the maps, interactive maps as Dr. Watson has requested for the drill down. As soon as we get those, we'll send them out to council. We'll add those to the

website. I encourage everybody, pull up city website, on the main splash page, on the on the middle area, you can access all of this information and every meeting that the council's already had, you

have video links there, so you can access the video meetings to have all the comments from previous discussions. So, media team has done an excellent job preparing that splash page for the request of

council and the direction of Caroline. May we have a a couple of items to bring to your attention. The first item for our one city moment was we did have the 43rd annual Beirut Memorial Observance.

I've said multiple times before that there are certain events in Jacksonville that are who we are and this service and remembrance is definitely part of who the city of Jacksonville, North Carolina

is. Uh this recognized the 43rd, so in 1983, we're talking about the Beirut bombing. We estimated over 2,500 people attended this year and this is one of those middle years, so the number of people

that turned out for the event is uh phenomenal because it just shows it's not just the initiative where our mayor reminds us that we will never forget. Uh it is the community that has wholeheartedly

adopted this mission and this dedicated focus point. Um General Ingram was there to provide welcoming remarks as was the mayor and Lieutenant General Fulford provided his keynote and part of the

interesting part about um General Fulford's keynote was he tied in his dad's connection with the Beirut bombing and I think that just changes the magnitude for for the message that comes in there. Uh

we had the second Marine Division Band, Southwest High School Choir, and then in Battalion, 8th Marines provided the colors and the gun salute. Uh once again, excellent attendance, not just for the

folks here in Jacksonville, but for people all around the world. And that's that's valuable for Once again, we had friends from France. Multiple years running now. So, I I do hope that the community

remains as committed every single year to remembering this event and all the families that have been impacted uh over the years. Uh in conjunction with this, Mayor, this is our Yellow Ribbon Project.

You will see on the bottom, not only [clears throat] do we have our veterans, but we have Northwoods Park Middle School students who are present to uh one, learn about the Beirut Memorial, and two, to

actually do the work. Finally, I've waited 4 years for one of my children to be able to go through this school and be a part of this. So, if you ever want to zoom in on some pictures, I'll point out

my child, but uh just to be able to see this and to hear from the veterans, the fact that the group has grown year over year. I mean, the story is, one student said, "I want to be a part of

remembering." And now, you have the students. Not only did they show up for the education and the ribbon tying, then they go out to the grove and they they place the ribbons on our trees. And so, you

get an educational opportunity where these students in the eighth grade are learning about the fabric of our community and what it means to be a military host city. I can't guarantee you that they're

going to remember this for a year, but they'll remember the fact that they came to the memorial gardens and they participated. And to me, that's part of the best education they're going to get from a

K-12 program, because this is where this is where it happens. We also had our first battalion eight Marines, they ran 241 miles leading up to the reserve to the observance. I too was going to do the

run, but I >> [laughter] >> was working. One of those days. In all honesty, this is dedication too, because a lot of these Marines they're carrying that mission with every mile that they run. They're

carrying the the remembrance, and that's part of the brotherhood that they teach all of us about being in the Marine Corps. And then we also, uh, the third event that we had is the candlelight vigil

at the wall. At this vigil on October 23rd, the families and veterans read the names of all of everyone on this wall. So, collectively, it's not just one event. It is multiple events that happen

during a a period of time. And it allows everyone in our community to to participate and to remember at the same time. So, kudos to everyone in this room and everyone in this community who

participated. Mayor, once again, thank you for for taking the time to to be there, be present, and to share your words every year. Uh, there's a lot of moving speeches that happened there. Amazing

amazing event. Uh, less valor here, Trucker Treat, but equal significance for a lot of our younger kids. Trucker Treat at the Commons has grown into a very large event. Also, about 2,000 kids

participated in Trucker Treat. Our folks participated all the way around the horn. Um, you're going to see pictures of police, fire, media services. Uh, some of these folks you may recognize in

different uniforms. Some you may wish you never see again. Uh, but uh, we had active community members. Uh, we had a public vote for best display for uh, city trunks. Uh, that display it actually

doesn't get any cuter than this. Minus that one captain there on the far left. >> [laughter] >> Actually, he's probably not even one of ours. He's probably it's not a real police officer. I don't know

who that person is. But the rest of them look official. That's a future fireman and other officers here. That's [snorts] another captain. Yeah, this can't be real. >> No, we're captains. >> Mayor,

they're just all over the place. They're just popping up. The best part is, you know, we just completed our National Night Out event. This just shows you National Night Out is just one outreach effort

that we have. This is another event where our teams are active within the community. It's not just police and fire, it's public services, it's parks, it's finance, it's media. All of our teams are

actively participating and they're bringing kids out in a safe environment. Our community is safe as it is, but Trunk or Treat allows you to get the most amount of candy in a small space without

having to do a lot of steps cuz nobody wants to do a lot of steps when you're just trying to get candy. That's ridiculous. So, go here and THEN MAYOR [clears throat] >> [laughter] >> FOR THE STRONG

FINISH. >> THIS WELL. >> I don't know who these people are. I just know that that we [clears throat] had a big bad wolf and some pigs and maybe General Washington. They could be some random judge, but

these folks were at City Hall as well, mayor, and uh this is how we welcomed some dignitaries from out of town. This is we brought them in to see these people because we do enjoy working for the city

and providing services. And this is not for Halloween. This is just how they dress on Tuesdays. THAT'S THE NEW RIVER FOR YOU BEFORE we cleaned it up. So, mayor >> It's all right. >> Okay, y'all.

Everybody get their green lights for veterans? >> Green Green force lights? >> Mayor, we have >> We have those. If you've not picked those up yet, we have those for council tonight over at in the

break room. So, I want you to pick those up, but please if you didn't pick up your lights, get them because that's our way of showing that we support our military. >> Very good. >> Thank you, mayor.

>> I got mine. You got yours? >> I got mine. >> I got a whole box of them. Don't give me any more. Please don't give me any more. >> All right. Well, then I would entertain a motion to adjourn the

meeting. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor, say "Aye." >> Aye. >> Aye.