2026-10-12 - Board of Commissioners

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0:13:27Good afternoon.

0:13:28Welcome to the Monday, October 12th, uh,

0:13:31Davis County Commissioners meeting. Uh,

0:13:33Mr. Elliott, Commissioner Elliot, would

0:13:35you lead us off in the invocation and

0:13:37pledge of allegiance, please?

0:13:38>> Yes, sir. Heavenly Father God, we come

0:13:41before you tonight, God, and we're

0:13:42seeking wisdom. Father God, we pray,

0:13:45God, for the protection of all of our

0:13:47county workers. Father God, after the

0:13:50event that happened yesterday, God,

0:13:52we're so thankful, God, that none of our

0:13:54sheriff deputies was harmed. None of our

0:13:57citizens were harmed. And Father God, uh

0:14:00although a life was lost, Father God,

0:14:02and uh we lift that up to you, Father.

0:14:05We're thankful, God, that none of our

0:14:07employees was hurt, God. We we ask for

0:14:10that same protection to go out uh forth

0:14:13to all of our first responders, God, as

0:14:15they serve uh flawlessly, God, to keep

0:14:18us protected here in Davidson County.

0:14:20Father God, I pray, God, you give us

0:14:22wisdom from on high, that we would make

0:14:24right decisions, God, that we would have

0:14:26open ears to hear the citizens tonight.

0:14:29And Father God, that we could vote with

0:14:31our own conscience. And Jesus, lead us,

0:14:33guide us, and direct us. In your

0:14:34heavenly precious name we pray. Amen.

0:14:37>> Amen.

0:14:39>> [clears throat]

0:14:40>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

0:14:43United States of America and to the

0:14:46republic for which it stands, one nation

0:14:50under God, indivisible, with liberty and

0:14:53justice for all.

0:14:58>> Thank you, Commissioner Elliot. I'm

0:15:00going to call uh Scott Pettit up with

0:15:04his uh with some of his students. He's

0:15:06from Davidson County Early College

0:15:10and they are viewing from the audience

0:15:12tonight to see how local government

0:15:15works. So, thank you, Mr. Pettit, for

0:15:18for bringing the students out.

0:15:22Looks like they're really happy to be

0:15:23here.

0:15:24>> Amen. Good job.

0:15:32[laughter]

0:15:34>> Come on.

0:15:34>> Up front. Yeah. There you go.

0:15:36>> Take a picture.

0:15:38>> Y'all come up here and we're going to

0:15:39take a picture.

0:15:40>> Come on.

0:15:41>> Come on up, Mr.

0:15:48[laughter]

0:15:49>> Anybody has to be willing to say

0:15:55>> and Steve, if you'd like to say

0:15:56something afterwards, uh, you're more

0:15:58than welcome to do that.

0:16:00>> I don't think you heard it yet.

0:16:03Need to tighten up a little bit. We're

0:16:05good.

0:16:05>> Yeah.

0:16:07>> Put a smile on your face, kids.

0:16:12>> One, two, three.

0:16:14>> Can we do bunny ears on them? Like

0:16:17[laughter]

0:16:20>> one, two, three.

0:16:27>> Thank you. Steve, if you'd like to say a

0:16:29word, that'd be uh great.

0:16:33Steve

0:16:40>> was not quite expecting this. Um, thank

0:16:43you for having us. This is part of a new

0:16:46initiative at the early college high

0:16:48school. Um, our students are required to

0:16:50earn 20 hours per semester of community

0:16:53service and attending schoolboard

0:16:55meetings and board of commissioner

0:16:56meetings gets them partway there. So,

0:16:58thank you for having us.

0:16:59>> Good. Thank you all for being here. Yep.

0:17:01>> Good job.

0:17:05[applause]

0:17:07>> It's good to see young kids

0:17:08participating in local government. All

0:17:11right. Uh recognition by uh for Amanda

0:17:14Paris from [snorts] uh Miss Roberts.

0:17:21How are y'all tonight?

0:17:22>> How are you?

0:17:23>> Good.

0:17:24>> Good evening, commissioners. It is my

0:17:26pleasure to introduce to you Mr. Brad

0:17:28Allen. Brad is the treasurer of the

0:17:30North Carolina Association on Aging and

0:17:33he is here to present one of our senior

0:17:35services staff with an excellence in the

0:17:37field of aging award. And Brad came all

0:17:39the way from Raleigh tonight to uh

0:17:41present this award. So I'll turn it over

0:17:43to Brad.

0:17:44>> Thank you.

0:17:44>> Hey, Brad.

0:17:46>> This is actually the second time that I

0:17:48have been here in recent years. So I

0:17:49think that says something about the

0:17:51quality of your senior services in

0:17:53Davidson County. But uh I am Brad Allen.

0:17:55I'm the executive director of North

0:17:57Carolina Senior Games and the treasurer

0:17:59of the North Carolina Association on

0:18:01Aging, which is a group of professionals

0:18:03that uh provides services for home and

0:18:06community based needs for older people

0:18:08like me in the state of North Carolina.

0:18:11Each year, the NCAA presents only five

0:18:14awards across this entire state to

0:18:17recognize excellence in the field. And

0:18:19the guiding star award honors a

0:18:21supervisor for quality supervisory

0:18:24skills in the management of programs and

0:18:26staff that benefit older adults. This

0:18:29year's guiding star for the North

0:18:30Carolina Association on Aging is none

0:18:33other than Amanda Paris from the inhome

0:18:36uh uh services program manager for here

0:18:39in Davidson County. She has an

0:18:41incredible 29 years of service to older

0:18:44adults with senior services. And just in

0:18:47this last year, she continues to show us

0:18:50her value because you may know there's

0:18:52been a terrible shortage of CNAs, not

0:18:55just in Davidson County and North

0:18:57Carolina, but across uh this entire

0:18:59country. But she

0:19:01absolutely stepped forward uh installed

0:19:04some innovative programs to make sure

0:19:06that this challenging workforce did not

0:19:08impact the services of older people in

0:19:11your community. So, uh, in recognition

0:19:14of her outstanding work, she is

0:19:17absolutely a star, one of five in the

0:19:20state of North Carolina. The guiding

0:19:21star for 2026 is your own Amanda Paris.

0:19:27[applause]

0:19:33>> Amanda, would you like to say anything?

0:19:37>> Thank you so much. This is such an

0:19:39honor. Um, I work with the best of

0:19:42people and it's my uh they inspire me

0:19:45every day. I say that and uh it's been a

0:19:48privilege to serve the older adults of

0:19:50Davidson County for almost 30 years now.

0:19:53So, thank you. This means so much. Thank

0:19:55you so much.

0:19:55>> Congratulations.

0:19:59[applause]

0:20:04>> Thank you. Appreciate you.

0:20:06>> Thank her.

0:20:07>> Thank you.

0:20:07>> Thank her.

0:20:08>> Thank you. Thank her.

0:20:10>> Congratulations.

0:20:19>> Thank you.

0:20:21>> Thank you.

0:20:27[laughter]

0:20:30>> You have to be the

0:20:34>> one. [clears throat]

0:20:37One, two, three.

0:20:39One, two, three.

0:20:41>> Congratulations.

0:20:43>> Good job. [applause]

0:20:49[applause]

0:20:50>> Good job. Thank you very much. Making a

0:20:53lot of difference in our in our world we

0:20:55live in. All right. I'm going to

0:20:57recognize the veterans tonight since

0:20:58Commissioner Shell's not here. Do we

0:21:00have any veterans attending tonight? If

0:21:03you do, please stand.

0:21:05Thank you very much for your service.

0:21:07[applause]

0:21:11Any veteran that hadn't received a pen,

0:21:13you're more than welcome to come up and

0:21:14get it. If you've already received one,

0:21:16then you probably don't want another

0:21:18one. But seeing none, I'll move on.

0:21:21Thank you very much.

0:21:23All right. Can I have a motion to excuse

0:21:26Chair Watford?

0:21:27>> So moved.

0:21:27>> Second.

0:21:28>> All in favor?

0:21:30>> Any opposed?

0:21:31>> All right. Register for public address.

0:21:33We have a signup sheet right over here.

0:21:36If you hadn't signed up, please do so

0:21:38now.

0:21:39Um,

0:21:41>> excused. Steve,

0:21:42>> he's coming.

0:21:44>> He's coming.

0:21:44>> Do you want to speak to public address

0:21:45or you go up for your item?

0:21:47>> He didn't ask to be excused. So,

0:21:49>> okay.

0:21:49>> Okay. Okay. There you go.

0:21:50>> Hopefully, he'll make it.

0:21:51>> He said he was going to

0:21:52>> Right. Right. So, yep. All right. So,

0:21:55adoption of the agenda. Um, is there any

0:21:58changes to the agenda? Seeing none. Uh

0:22:02motion.

0:22:03>> Chairman, I make a motion that we

0:22:04approve the agenda as written.

0:22:05>> All right. Second.

0:22:06>> Second.

0:22:07>> Second.

0:22:07>> All in favor?

0:22:09>> I.

0:22:09>> Any opposed? That motion carries. Public

0:22:13address, please. Tim

0:22:19[clears throat]

0:22:22Scott Ford.

0:22:30Good evening everybody. Uh my name is

0:22:32Scott Ford. Um [snorts] most of the

0:22:34comments that I have tonight are uh are

0:22:37not directed at the two men to my left.

0:22:40um they've consistently voted with their

0:22:43constituents and their uh um and their

0:22:47their voters against this uh uh the ex

0:22:53expensive expensive sports park. So now

0:22:55what are we talking about? $150,000 for

0:22:58a salesman that's going to sell

0:23:00sponsorships

0:23:02for the sports park.

0:23:06We're talking about a salesman that's

0:23:08going to get paid $150,000. And from

0:23:10what I understand,

0:23:13whether or not he sells enough to pay

0:23:16for himself, plus a 15% commission, a

0:23:20car salesman doesn't get that, right? Am

0:23:22I am I wrong about this?

0:23:28Nobody. Okay. So, that's what that's

0:23:30what my understanding is is that uh this

0:23:32consultant, basically a used car

0:23:35salesman, is going to sell sponsorships

0:23:37to help pay for overages

0:23:40on this $65 million abomination sinkhole

0:23:45that is only going to be open six months

0:23:47a year. So, there's a giant question

0:23:50mark whether it's going to even generate

0:23:53enough money to pay for itself.

0:23:57just the whole thing stinks. And I don't

0:24:00think that these these um these tax

0:24:04prisoners that are behind me want to

0:24:07finance this thing. And I that's what I

0:24:10call you is your tax prisoners. [snorts]

0:24:14Raise your hand behind me, please, if

0:24:17you think that a salesman should get

0:24:19$150,000 whether he performs or not,

0:24:21plus 15% of any sponsorships that he may

0:24:25sell to this sports park. By show of

0:24:29hands,

0:24:31everybody thinks that this salesman

0:24:32should get $150,000.

0:24:34>> Sir, you you address You need to address

0:24:35the board here.

0:24:36>> I'm addressing the board. They are

0:24:38addressing you. You're out of order.

0:24:42>> You I said address the board, please.

0:24:45>> Okay, I'm addressing you through them.

0:24:50And I don't know why this is set in

0:24:51stone. Why can't we scale it back? If it

0:24:53can't pay for itself, scale it back.

0:24:58And all this is to me is it looks like

0:25:00feathers in somebody's retirement plan

0:25:04from these tax pensioners or tax

0:25:07prisoners behind me

0:25:09to finance this thing.

0:25:12And who it have have we even considered

0:25:15what's going to happen to it in the

0:25:17wintertime? I'm not going to the water

0:25:19park in the winter time. It's only going

0:25:20to be open six months a year. It's an

0:25:22impossibility.

0:25:24And the moratorum should have been voted

0:25:27in. Mr. Yates and I wish Karen was here.

0:25:30She's got a great name. And Steve Shell

0:25:32because they're the ones who

0:25:33consistently vote against the tax

0:25:37prisoners behind me and for whatever

0:25:40your interests are. regarding this

0:25:43because it just

0:25:43>> All right, your time's up, sir.

0:25:45>> Okay. Yeah. So, is yours?

0:25:47>> All right. Jackie Taylor,

0:25:53>> how are you this evening?

0:25:54>> Somebody's thing.

0:25:57>> Oh, I'm sorry.

0:25:58>> Okay, I'm sorry.

0:26:01>> Good evening, commissioners. My name is

0:26:02Jackie Taylor. I am 71 years old and a

0:26:0522year resident of Davis County. I am

0:26:07addressing Tisha Everheart Robertson's

0:26:10chronological documentation of issues

0:26:12Jackie Taylor concerning her entry for

0:26:14July through September 2020. The

0:26:17misinformation surrounding it continues

0:26:19to impact my life. Statements written by

0:26:21the senior services director Tisha

0:26:23Everheart Roberts claims that I made

0:26:25quote character assassination comments

0:26:28and placed the signate employee Kesha

0:26:30Carter in a position which she feared

0:26:32for her job. I state clearly and for the

0:26:34permanent record. This is a deliberate

0:26:36attempt to shade the truth and an

0:26:39outright lie. I will clarify what

0:26:41occurred after I was permanently

0:26:43terminated. I reached out to Sigma. I

0:26:45did not assassinate anyone. I did

0:26:48however ethically report what I strongly

0:26:50believe was unethical conduct carried

0:26:52out by Kesha Carter and the Davidson

0:26:54County employees and elected officials.

0:26:57An advisory board to secure my

0:26:59termination. [clears throat] Sigma and

0:27:01Senior Services encouraged and

0:27:02explicitly asked for feedback,

0:27:05indicating a safe space for both good or

0:27:07bad input. Instead, that feedback was

0:27:09weaponized and used as a setup to

0:27:11permanently terminate me. It is entirely

0:27:13unfair, deeply hurtful, and unjust to be

0:27:16black ballalled with sponsors on the

0:27:18falsehoods. Furthermore, Kesha Carter is

0:27:21responsible for her own actions. Long

0:27:23after I reported my unhappy experience

0:27:25regarding Kesha Carter, the Sigma

0:27:27representative, the company continued to

0:27:29send me promotional gifts. I told them I

0:27:32would accept the gifts and I will not

0:27:33cancel my Humana plan and go with Sigma.

0:27:36They continue to solicit my business and

0:27:38send me marketing materials. I asked the

0:27:41board to recognize that these

0:27:42contradictions reject the false

0:27:44narrative of character assassination and

0:27:46look at the facts of how feedback was

0:27:48used to systematically push out a senior

0:27:51resident of Davidson County. I am

0:27:53submitting an email dated October 20,

0:27:552020 to the clerk Debbie Harris to

0:27:58preserve in the permanent file in

0:27:59Raleigh.

0:28:02That's this.

0:28:02>> All right. Thank you, Miss Taylor.

0:28:04>> Thank you. [clears throat]

0:28:05>> Thank you. You're welcome. Doug Guyger.

0:28:11Sir, I got a quick question. It says the

0:28:13asphalt plan on this uh this is not in

0:28:16Davidson County, correct? The

0:28:18>> correct, but I'm going to kind of

0:28:19explain.

0:28:20>> Okay. [snorts] All right. Just wanted to

0:28:21double make sure.

0:28:22>> Yeah, absolutely. And I've got uh folder

0:28:26for each of the commissioners here.

0:28:27>> Okay.

0:28:29You can just hand it to Tim there after

0:28:31whenever and he'll pass them out.

0:28:36>> Yeah. My name is um Doug Guyger. I live

0:28:39at 4682 Greenale Way in Winston Salem,

0:28:42North Carolina.

0:28:44And so I'm sure each of you is

0:28:46wondering, you know, why I'm here about

0:28:48an asphalt plant. And I'm going to tell

0:28:51you why. Um I am a licensed physical

0:28:55therapist and I'm representing hundreds

0:28:58of people in our area that are opposed

0:29:00to this asphalt plant. The [snorts]

0:29:03reason it's appropriate or pertinent, I

0:29:05think for you all to know about this is

0:29:08the back portion of that um proposed lot

0:29:13is a FEMA flood zone uh designated area

0:29:17and also is lined with Muddy Creek.

0:29:20Muddy Creek

0:29:23empties into the Yaken River. The Yaken

0:29:26River flows down to here and other

0:29:30places further south.

0:29:32The potential if this asphalt plant is

0:29:35built, the potential of toxic runoff

0:29:41into Muddy Creek is certainly there. Not

0:29:45saying it's going to happen, but it

0:29:47could. And if it does, the contamination

0:29:51of the water supply for the Yaken River

0:29:55and for Davidson County would be pretty

0:29:58extensive. And so on behalf of myself

0:30:01and hundreds of others, we want to make

0:30:04sure that you all know about this and

0:30:08that the citizens of this county know

0:30:11about it. Um,

0:30:13uh, the other thing I would say is that

0:30:17in your folder,

0:30:19one of the sheets

0:30:21has a list of infractions and things

0:30:25that this uh, company has had in the

0:30:29past.

0:30:30Not saying that they're going to have

0:30:32them when this is built, if it is, but

0:30:35the track record right there should show

0:30:37you that they've not been really good at

0:30:40abiding by regulations.

0:30:43Um, so that's really why I'm here. Kind

0:30:46of wanted you all to know about it. I

0:30:49know a lot of people think it just

0:30:50affects

0:30:52our area where we live, but the

0:30:55ramifications

0:30:57can be a lot further. Thank you. Thank

0:30:59you. All right. Yes, sir.

0:31:01>> Thank you very much.

0:31:02>> All right. Janine

0:31:04Spir Spirto,

0:31:17>> how are you this afternoon?

0:31:18>> How are you?

0:31:19>> Not a billion.

0:31:20>> Good evening.

0:31:22I stand before you today angry,

0:31:24frustrated, and absolutely disgusted

0:31:27with the direction this county is

0:31:28heading. At a recent public meeting, a

0:31:31sitting commissioner had the audacity to

0:31:34tell me to shut up.

0:31:36Let me remind the board of something.

0:31:39You work for us.

0:31:43We

0:31:44do not work for you. Okay? You were

0:31:48elected to represent the people of

0:31:51Davidson County, not silence them when

0:31:54uncomfortable questions are asked.

0:31:58And frankly, if you cannot handle

0:32:00criticism from the very people whose

0:32:02lives your decisions affect, perhaps you

0:32:06have no business sitting in those seats.

0:32:08Now, let's talk about the absolute

0:32:10insanity of what's happening in this

0:32:11county. Sunday we had some rain and

0:32:15residents experienced power outages. I

0:32:17was one of them. Yet this board

0:32:19continues entertaining massive

0:32:21hyperscale data centers that could place

0:32:24enormous addition additional demands on

0:32:26our electrical grid. We can't even count

0:32:29on keeping the lights on and you want to

0:32:31welcome some of the largest electricity

0:32:33consumers in the country here. Where is

0:32:36the common sense? Then we have Duke

0:32:38Energy's proposed gas plants. We're

0:32:41being asked to sacrifice our land, our

0:32:43air quality, potentially our water

0:32:46resources for electricity that's not

0:32:48specifically guaranteed to benefit any

0:32:51resident in Davidson County. But guess

0:32:54who will be left dealing with the

0:32:55consequences?

0:32:57We will. Our firefighters, our EMS, our

0:33:01law enforcement, and the taxpayers. And

0:33:04we're not just talking about gas plants.

0:33:06We're talking about enhanced liquid

0:33:08natural gas infrastructure, pipelines,

0:33:11compressor stations, massive data

0:33:13centers, and a huge sports plex. Each

0:33:16brings its own demands, its own risks,

0:33:18and its own strain on public services.

0:33:21Meanwhile, Davidson County already

0:33:23struggles with emergency response times.

0:33:26Our emergency personnel are stretched

0:33:28thin, and residents are left wondering

0:33:30how long it will take when they dial

0:33:32911. What happens when there's a major

0:33:35industrial accident, a gas leak, a fire,

0:33:37an explosion? Who's coming to save us?

0:33:40And how long will it take them to get

0:33:42there? You cannot keep approving or

0:33:45encouraging massive development while

0:33:47ignoring the public safety,

0:33:49infrastructure, and that's necessary to

0:33:51support it. That is not responsible

0:33:54growth. That's reckless government. and

0:33:57allowing dangerous industrial

0:33:58development without first demonstrating

0:34:00adequate emergency preparedness is in my

0:34:03opinion bordering on criminal

0:34:05negligence.

0:34:08You are gambling with the people's

0:34:09homes, their health, their property, and

0:34:12potentially their lives. And for what?

0:34:14To tell everyone Davidson County is open

0:34:17for business. Well, let me tell you

0:34:19something. Davidson County is not for

0:34:21sale. Our communities are not

0:34:23expendable. Our first responders are not

0:34:26miracle workers and our citizens are not

0:34:27collateral.

0:34:28>> Time's up, man. Thank you, Gary.

0:34:30>> He's right. Listen to your constituent.

0:34:34>> Can you shut that door, please?

0:34:45>> Good afternoon.

0:34:46>> Good evening.

0:34:48I stand before you tonight with a

0:34:50message. The people of Davidson County

0:34:52are fed up with you.

0:34:54At the Davidson County Fair, our

0:34:56organization,

0:34:57Davidson and Davyy for a clean future,

0:35:00spoke with hundreds, literally hundreds,

0:35:02almost thousands of residents. And let

0:35:05me tell you, the conversations were

0:35:06eyeopening. People weren't just

0:35:08concerned, they were angry, they were

0:35:11disgusted, and most importantly, they

0:35:14have lost faith in this board.

0:35:17We heard the same complaints repeatedly.

0:35:19You don't listen. You aren't

0:35:21transparent. You make decisions without

0:35:24meaningful public involvement and

0:35:26citizens feel their voices simply don't

0:35:28matter. People are beginning to view

0:35:30this board as corrupt, irresponsible,

0:35:34and more interested in protecting

0:35:36corporations than protecting the

0:35:38citizens who elected you.

0:35:42That is the per the

0:35:45perception your behavior has created.

0:35:47When residents ask legitimate questions

0:35:49about Duke Energy, Piedmont Natural Gas,

0:35:52data cent's environmental destruction,

0:35:54and our failing infrastructure, what do

0:35:57we get? Deflection, dismissal, silence,

0:36:00and out outright disrespect. Right,

0:36:03Missy?

0:36:07We often have a commissioner, we we we

0:36:09even have a commissioner who thinks

0:36:11telling a constituent to shut up during

0:36:13a public meeting is acceptable.

0:36:16You get you do not get to demand respect

0:36:19while showing absolutely none in return.

0:36:21You were elected to represent us, not

0:36:24Duke Energy, not Pedmont National Gas,

0:36:27and not wealthy developers. You work for

0:36:30us. Yet citizens now feel they must

0:36:32fight their own government to protect

0:36:34their homes, their drinking water, their

0:36:36health, and their communities. Think

0:36:38about how shameful that is. You want the

0:36:42public's trust, then earn it. Stop

0:36:44treating public participation as an

0:36:47inconvenience.

0:36:48Stop acting offended when citizens

0:36:51demand answers. And stop confusing

0:36:53holding public office with holding

0:36:55unlimited authority. After speaking with

0:36:58hundreds of residents, one thing became

0:37:00painfully clear. You have seriously

0:37:02underestimated the anger and frustration

0:37:04in this county. People are watching.

0:37:07They're organizing. And they're

0:37:08remembering who's listening and who

0:37:10doesn't.

0:37:12You can dismiss one citizen. You can

0:37:14ignore one speech. You can even try to

0:37:16silence some in this room. But you

0:37:19cannot silence an entire county. That is

0:37:22demanding accountability. Public office

0:37:25is a privilege and an honor. And if you

0:37:28cannot listen, cannot be transparent,

0:37:31cannot put people ahead of corporate

0:37:33interest, then perhaps you should ask

0:37:35yourselves, why are you sitting in those

0:37:37chairs? Davidson County deserves

0:37:40leadership it can trust and right now

0:37:42you've given us every reason to question

0:37:44yours.

0:37:46Like this little this little note you

0:37:48have here. This almost seems like a

0:37:49threat against people who might might

0:37:51want to just clap or

0:37:53>> three minutes.

0:37:54>> All right. Thank you, Gary.

0:37:56>> Thank you.

0:37:56>> Have a good afternoon, Chuck.

0:38:02[clears throat and cough]

0:38:06>> Yes. Thank you. I appreciate the

0:38:08opportunity to talk. Uh I first need to

0:38:12take care of a couple different things.

0:38:14Uh Mr. Shook, um I asked you earlier

0:38:18about uh maybe we would have a chance to

0:38:20discuss because most people know that

0:38:23I'm running for the same seat you now

0:38:26occupy. And I've been seeing a lot of

0:38:29pictures on you online and stuff. So I'm

0:38:32assuming your father's doing better. And

0:38:34if that's the case, then

0:38:36>> he's actually not doing very well at

0:38:38all.

0:38:38>> Well, I'm sorry to hear that. Then the

0:38:41second thing, um, Mr. Yates, you and I

0:38:44had a long talk after the, uh, meeting.

0:38:47In fact, we were here for what, about 45

0:38:49minutes, an hour, something like that.

0:38:51And, uh, we both kind of understand

0:38:54where each other's coming from, at least

0:38:56I think. And I'm always open for

0:38:58discussions. Um, one thing that

0:39:01surprised me is when you endorsed me,

0:39:04you said you would vote for me. So, I

0:39:06was kind of surprised by that. And in

0:39:09fact, I think I almost haded to change

0:39:11my depends.

0:39:13Third thing, [clears throat] Mr.

0:39:15Biselle, thank you for sending the um

0:39:19the the code of ethics. Yeah, I could

0:39:23not find it online. Apparently, you did

0:39:26or had a copy of it, and I appreciate

0:39:28that. And I think that the majority of

0:39:32uh the people on this board ought to

0:39:34read it because everything that people

0:39:38are telling you is what is in that U

0:39:42code of ethics. Another thing

0:39:46I know your job is hard. I don't even

0:39:49want your job, but I don't see anyone

0:39:52else who sees the issues that I

0:39:56apparently see and wants to do something

0:39:59about it. And I've been really trying to

0:40:03identify all the issues and I'm

0:40:06overwhelmed. I'm glad that we're doing

0:40:09so well with the the elderly, but I've

0:40:12been door knocking and I don't know how

0:40:13many times I've disturbed a little old

0:40:15lady with an IV coming to the door all

0:40:18by herself. So, that really concerns me.

0:40:23Duke Energy is what I really wanted to

0:40:25talk about. Now, with Duke Energy, we

0:40:29have an issue with a company that has a

0:40:33long history in North Carolina of

0:40:35pollution.

0:40:37We have a bunch of young people here

0:40:39that want to be able to breathe in their

0:40:4250s and 60s. And I'm not sure they're

0:40:45going to be able to. And even if they

0:40:48can, it'll probably be too damn hot for

0:40:51them to go outside because of global

0:40:54warming. We know, and hopefully the

0:40:57students here know that this is a fossil

0:41:01fuel that we're using. Natural gas is a

0:41:03fossil fuel and it pollutes. And because

0:41:07of those things, we've got to be able to

0:41:12>> Three minutes, sir.

0:41:13>> Thank you. Thank you. And Chuck, don't

0:41:15forget you're my favorite Democrat.

0:41:17Okay.

0:41:18>> I told you that and I mean it.

0:41:21[applause]

0:41:22>> All right.

0:41:22>> Thank you. We're going to uh move on to

0:41:24item number seven, uh the consent

0:41:26agenda. Uh anyone want to remove

0:41:29anything off the consent agenda?

0:41:32Hear none. Can I get a motion to accept

0:41:34the consent agenda?

0:41:36>> Motion to to accept.

0:41:37>> Second.

0:41:38>> Second.

0:41:38>> All in favor?

0:41:39>> I.

0:41:40>> Any opposed? That motion carries. Thank

0:41:43you.

0:41:46All right. Uh, this one here, um, I was

0:41:51contacted last week by Frank. Frank,

0:41:54will you come on up? And, um, your last

0:41:57name just escapes me right now,

0:41:59>> right? Um, anyhow, Robin, I'm sorry.

0:42:02>> Your name again, sir.

0:42:03>> I'm sorry.

0:42:04>> Your last name again?

0:42:04>> Roman.

0:42:05>> Roman.

0:42:05>> Yes, sir.

0:42:06>> Yes, ma'am.

0:42:06>> Frank Roman. I got it in my phone. I

0:42:08just didn't look it up. Uh, anyhow, I

0:42:10was uh contacted last week and uh they

0:42:14would like to use uh some of our

0:42:17property down in Denton, the sale tower

0:42:19for training. But I'm going to let him

0:42:21introduce himself and what Robin Sage

0:42:24does. I had heard about him for years

0:42:26and years and I don't know who's

0:42:28familiar with it and who's not, but it's

0:42:30a very good organization. But just to

0:42:32kind of enlighten you a little bit about

0:42:33what he told me they want to do at one

0:42:35of our cell towers is hang dummy

0:42:38explosives like little cardboard boxes

0:42:40on the guide wire and simulate a sale

0:42:44tower uh takeover. So anyhow, if you

0:42:47will go ahead and introduce us to uh

0:42:49Robin Sage.

0:42:50>> Yes, sir. Uh, first of all, I would like

0:42:52to thank everybody here for allowing me

0:42:54to speak because I'm not from the

0:42:56community. I'm trying to I'm trying to

0:42:58ingrain myself here. I just started. My

0:43:00name is Frank Roman. I am a civilian

0:43:02lane manager for John F. Kennedy Special

0:43:04Warfare Center in schools. I have an

0:43:06example of some of the training. Uh,

0:43:09>> I can

0:43:13>> if you want to pass that around, Tim,

0:43:15maybe.

0:43:16>> Sure. Real quick, a snapshot of Robin

0:43:18Sage. It's a 50-year exercise that uh

0:43:20the army has conducted. It's the final

0:43:23culmination exercise in order these

0:43:25soldiers become special forces and go

0:43:28out in into that uncertain land that

0:43:30we've been dealing with. Um if you look

0:43:32at the document that's passing that's

0:43:34being passed around right now, it is it

0:43:36has several blocks. Uh the acronym ELO

0:43:39is means enabling learning objectives.

0:43:43And I'm not going to read it to you

0:43:44because there's a lot of stuff minimal

0:43:47on time. But what we're looking at is a

0:43:49box echo. They have to uh coordinate

0:43:54area command and com combat operations.

0:43:57What we're trying to do is use a facil

0:43:59uh area like a cell phone tower just to

0:44:02rehearse the muscle memory of doing an

0:44:05actual sabotage mission. They will

0:44:07implement this exercise at nighttime

0:44:09during limited visibility. Everything is

0:44:11completely notional. There will be no

0:44:13kinetic activity on the location. Also

0:44:17with that uh the cadray there will be

0:44:19two military uh cadray and myself on

0:44:22station to ensure that everything's

0:44:25policed up and no issues are caused. um

0:44:28with Robin Sage that's 50 years of going

0:44:31on and there's various of uh various

0:44:33jobs that they are trained in from the

0:44:36commander to the to the intelligence

0:44:39sergeant to the warrant officer and then

0:44:40it's broken down into weapons,

0:44:43communication, medical and demo and

0:44:47engineering. That's those are the big

0:44:49jobs and they they've been in school for

0:44:51about a year now. So, and I couldn't we

0:44:54can't do this without you guys. We've

0:44:56been working in the general area for 20

0:44:58years. I'm new, but I've heard nothing

0:45:00but great things. I've had nothing but

0:45:02great experiences with the law

0:45:04enforcement, with with the fire

0:45:06department, all that stuff. So, I really

0:45:08want to say thank you first

0:45:11cuz I couldn't do this without you guys.

0:45:13So, that brings us to this point. We

0:45:15were just looking for a location to

0:45:16train. So living down in the south end

0:45:18of county, we see a lot of C130s come

0:45:20over and we see uh when they doing these

0:45:23type trainings, it's really interesting

0:45:25to

0:45:26>> to see what happens in our community,

0:45:28but we don't really ever see any people.

0:45:30So y'all doing it like u

0:45:33>> you need an extra guy to hang out and

0:45:35shoot a gun. I'm with you, man.

0:45:37>> I'm always [laughter] and I would love

0:45:39to invite you guys to the final target

0:45:41because we are doing our final target

0:45:42exercise at Mid Carolina airport. Uh

0:45:45right now we also have some contractors

0:45:47building some temporary facilities up

0:45:49there cuz what they're going to do is

0:45:51air mobile operation and eliminate the

0:45:53target and then move. This is all

0:45:55simulation because special forces goes

0:45:57to different countries and they do

0:46:00nation building and nation building

0:46:02sometimes involves getting rid of that

0:46:04desk spot that's in the location.

0:46:06>> Right.

0:46:06>> And we can't do this and we can't train

0:46:08without you.

0:46:09>> Quick question.

0:46:10>> I'm all in favor of what you're doing.

0:46:12I'm very familiar with what you're

0:46:13doing. I'm familiar with folks that have

0:46:15participated in the stuff. Will the

0:46:18citizens of the area the operation's

0:46:20going to occur be properly notified? If

0:46:23they see people in uniforms and they

0:46:26don't know what the heck's going on, it

0:46:28might startle them or y'all might catch

0:46:29some unnecessary rounds. I mean, people

0:46:31just as long as they can be notified

0:46:34properly ahead of time what you guys are

0:46:36doing, I'm all in favor of that.

0:46:37>> Yes, sir. Uh, I didn't mean to

0:46:38interrupt, sir. I've been on the job for

0:46:40a year and a half. And since I've been

0:46:42on the job for a year and a half, I go

0:46:43out to every location at least an hour

0:46:45and a half prior. I knock on doors

0:46:48during the break in the cycles. I come

0:46:51up, I talk to the community. Uh I've had

0:46:53some issues in some locations, but the

0:46:55sheriff has helped me. I've put flyers

0:46:57out in mailboxes. I've tried to be very,

0:47:00very proactive to notify the community.

0:47:02Again, I don't want to offend the

0:47:04community.

0:47:04>> Yeah.

0:47:04>> I can't do We can't do this without you

0:47:06guys.

0:47:07>> Good deal.

0:47:08>> Have one other quick question. Yes, sir.

0:47:10Unless I heard you wrong. Everybody

0:47:12that's in special forces comes through

0:47:14Robin S. Right.

0:47:15>> Absolutely. Every I came through here I

0:47:19not in this specific lane I went through

0:47:21in 99.

0:47:22>> Right.

0:47:23>> And then after that what we know current

0:47:25history and past history it's been

0:47:27pretty busy. And this new generation

0:47:30it's really I I envy him but I'm also

0:47:32worried for him. And that's why these

0:47:34training we take it very seriously.

0:47:36>> Well I'm happy for you sir. I don't

0:47:38think there's any opposition from the

0:47:39board here. Any other questions from the

0:47:41board?

0:47:41>> No.

0:47:42>> Uh, can we get them? Can we get a

0:47:44>> motion? We accept the training

0:47:45>> approved. Second.

0:47:46>> All in favor?

0:47:48>> Any opposed?

0:47:50>> Thank you very much. That passes and I

0:47:52would if you could get us the

0:47:53invitation. I'd love to see the

0:47:54simulation.

0:47:55>> If I can call you, I I will.

0:47:57>> Okay.

0:47:57>> Thank you, sir.

0:47:59>> Thank you, sir.

0:48:00>> Oh, that's okay. I'll go. I had a friend

0:48:02of mine went to one. He loved it. So, I

0:48:04need to I'd love to see it. All right.

0:48:06Uh this one here, item 8B. Commissioner

0:48:09Kester, would you lead us off? Uh update

0:48:12on status of uh dismantling the flock.

0:48:14>> Yes, sir. I just want to start by saying

0:48:16I want to commend Mr. Jones for his

0:48:20initiative in following up with the

0:48:22flock agency. Um there's been a lot of

0:48:25concern in the community. I get a lot of

0:48:28calls on a weekly basis, people

0:48:30inquiring after our vote over a month

0:48:32ago why they haven't been removed. And

0:48:34quite frankly, I've been distur, you

0:48:37know, upset about it myself. So, Mr.

0:48:38Jones and I've been having a lot of

0:48:40communication. I was told that the day

0:48:42after the vote, the sheriff's department

0:48:44was not accessing information. And I was

0:48:46led to believe that the things had been

0:48:48turned off. And unbeknownst to me, Mr.

0:48:51Jones found out that wasn't the case up

0:48:54to the last few days. So, I'll let him

0:48:55update you on what he found out.

0:48:59>> Yes. Well, as so the board voted on

0:49:03August 24th to terminate the contract

0:49:06and have the the cameras removed, the

0:49:10license plate readers removed. Um, the

0:49:13sheriff's office did notify Flock the

0:49:15day immediately after. And I I will note

0:49:18that the Flock actually had a

0:49:19representative here on the night of the

0:49:2124th, so they knew immediately that what

0:49:24you all had voted. Um, so the sheriff's

0:49:27office did notify them immediately and

0:49:29they acknowledged it. Um, but you know,

0:49:33as as you mentioned, uh, Commissioner

0:49:36Kester, um, they didn't they didn't

0:49:39actually I mean, so the the sheriff's

0:49:40office turned off their access. They

0:49:44stopped looking at the system and they

0:49:46they did what they could to limit, you

0:49:48know, access by outside agencies.

0:49:52Um, we did follow up and ultimately as

0:49:56of last Wednesday, um, the license plate

0:50:00readers and our network have been

0:50:02decommissioned. That's what at least

0:50:05what what Flock has relayed to me. Um,

0:50:07and we're we're waiting on a date for

0:50:11them to actually remove the cameras.

0:50:13>> Good deal. Well, I would like to be the

0:50:14first. My threshold of of trust in that

0:50:18agency is about zero and I'm frustrated

0:50:21with the fact

0:50:21>> they took two two days ago they cut it

0:50:24off since our last vote. So, what I'd

0:50:26like to propose tonight if if my fellow

0:50:28commissioners are in favor of it, is we

0:50:31physically bag the things until they're

0:50:33removed because that way the citizens

0:50:35out here can see a tangible saws off

0:50:38>> that we've done what we're supposed to

0:50:40do to prevent those things from being

0:50:42on. And if you guys are in favor of it,

0:50:44I'd like to make a motion that we bag

0:50:46them until they're removed.

0:50:48>> I think that's reasonable.

0:50:49>> All right, we have a motion.

0:50:51>> Second.

0:50:52>> Third. Any other discussion? All in

0:50:55favor say I. I.

0:50:56>> Any opposed? That motion carries.

0:50:59>> Thank you, Trip.

0:51:00>> Man, thank you all. Thank you, Mr.

0:51:02Jones.

0:51:03>> Thank you, Adam.

0:51:10>> All right, we'll move on to item 8 C,

0:51:13discussion of letter of interest on sale

0:51:15tower property lease. Dwayne Childress

0:51:21coming, sir.

0:51:24The facilities committee heard this u

0:51:27back [clears throat] on the 1st

0:51:30and I thought it was appropriate to

0:51:31bring it to the full board for

0:51:33consideration.

0:51:34I was reached out to uh several weeks

0:51:37ago now by this company that goes around

0:51:40and looks at holes in cell tower

0:51:43coverage across different counties,

0:51:45happens to be ours, different cities,

0:51:46different states, so on and so forth.

0:51:49They identify those places and then they

0:51:51come back with uh to the carriers

0:51:54themselves and says we can put a tower

0:51:56here to boost your particular um

0:52:01uh level of of coverage. And so, um,

0:52:06they've so far identified 12 different

0:52:08sites that they would like, um, for us

0:52:11to again sign this letter of intent or

0:52:15interest and [clears throat] then they

0:52:17would sell that or or market that to the

0:52:20sale towers or the sale carriers

0:52:23themselves. And I'll be glad to answer

0:52:25any questions that you may have.

0:52:27[clears throat]

0:52:29>> One of the questions, Mr. Chairman,

0:52:31>> yeah, go ahead. One of the questions, if

0:52:33you remember, Dwayne, that I asked was

0:52:35when they replace these towers, is the

0:52:39county going to have access to put any

0:52:41equipment that the county deemed

0:52:42necessary?

0:52:43>> That will be part of the the contract.

0:52:45Yes, sir. I will make sure. And so will

0:52:47Lee Crook as well.

0:52:51>> Is this uh timesensitive?

0:52:54>> No, sir. I don't think No, sir.

0:52:56>> Um, can we get this for anformational

0:52:58meeting?

0:53:00I don't see why not.

0:53:02>> That way we can and send us a little bit

0:53:04more information on maybe the sites and

0:53:07>> that's what I was thinking,

0:53:08>> right? I don't

0:53:08>> they're not willing to release the not

0:53:10willing to

0:53:12>> a huge fan of it.

0:53:14>> They're not willing to release I've

0:53:15already asked that question. I promise.

0:53:17>> Well, I mean, in my opinion, if they not

0:53:19willing to release the sites and I'm not

0:53:21willing to to give them permission, but

0:53:23that's just me thinking.

0:53:23>> I don't want a microwave every quarter.

0:53:25>> I'm with you, sir. So,

0:53:27>> yep. So

0:53:29>> that's a no.

0:53:30>> That's a nogo. That was easy.

0:53:31>> A consensus of the board that [laughter]

0:53:33unless they

0:53:35>> Yeah.

0:53:36>> Unless they can do that. If they can,

0:53:38then you can come back to anformational

0:53:40meeting and

0:53:40>> Yes, sir.

0:53:41>> discuss the locations. Thank you,

0:53:43>> sir. Thank you.

0:53:44>> Yep.

0:53:45>> All right. The next one is uh 8D. And I

0:53:48asked Debbie to put this on the agenda

0:53:51uh to discuss the facilities committee,

0:53:53sewer committee, jail committee.

0:53:55back when we done all this on um on

0:53:58Thursday after uh theformational

0:54:01meeting, I was on all the facilities.

0:54:04So, and we used to split them up in

0:54:06different days. And I said, you know, if

0:54:08I'm going to miss a day's work, I just

0:54:10need to miss one day's work and do it

0:54:12all in one day. So, now that I'm not on

0:54:14the facilities committee, I'm asking

0:54:16that we move the sewer committee, which

0:54:18is a usually a very short meeting, about

0:54:2110 minutes,

0:54:23and the jail committee. We hadn't had

0:54:24many of those, but I'd rather move those

0:54:26to a different day so I don't have to

0:54:28sit around here all day and wait on you

0:54:30guys to go through the facilities

0:54:32committee meeting.

0:54:34Um, I can either do it one day before um

0:54:38one of our county commissioners meetings

0:54:40or we can do it a different day, Debbie,

0:54:43earlier, but I'm just asking to

0:54:45>> You're just wanting to move the sewer

0:54:46and the jail committee meeting to a

0:54:48different

0:54:48>> different day. So I don't have to wait

0:54:50for that Thursday. All right. So, I got

0:54:52to wait till like 1:00 in the afternoon

0:54:54or 1 2 o'clock or something to do. I

0:54:58just waste a whole day sitting around

0:54:59here after ourformational meeting.

0:55:02>> So, what dates are we proposing?

0:55:04>> I don't know. Me and you'll get together

0:55:06and see what works. If that's okay and

0:55:08then we can ask the the board to

0:55:11>> We don't have to vote on that.

0:55:13>> We do.

0:55:13>> When we put a schedule together, you

0:55:15guys vote going to get a date together

0:55:19and we'll approve the date. set date

0:55:21each month for the meetings and probably

0:55:23do them back toback because they it is

0:55:25the same people. So,

0:55:26>> all right.

0:55:27>> I'll make a motion to approve a new date

0:55:29once approved by the the clerk and the

0:55:32commissioners on these committees.

0:55:35>> Got a motion to second. All in favor?

0:55:37>> I.

0:55:37>> Any opposed?

0:55:38>> Who was the second?

0:55:40>> Trip.

0:55:41>> So, basically what the motion is is once

0:55:44we come up with a schedule, we can just

0:55:46send it out to y'all. But right now,

0:55:48you're formally approving it.

0:55:49>> Yes. just with us letting you know when

0:55:51[clears throat] it is.

0:55:52>> Yep.

0:55:53>> Motion to go into close session.

0:55:55>> Second.

0:55:56>> Second.

0:55:58>> All in favor say I.

0:55:59>> I.

0:56:00>> Any opposed? Motion carries.

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1:16:51Heat. Heat.

1:17:39back in open session.

1:17:40>> So move, Mr. Chair. Second.

1:17:41>> Second. All in favor? I.

1:17:43>> Any opposed? All right. Uh Mr. Attorney,

1:17:46would you give us an update?

1:17:48>> Yes, sir. Um board went into close

1:17:50session for legal close session. Um we

1:17:53discussed um the an active matter. It's

1:17:57uh captioned Terry W. Hartley versus

1:18:00Davidson County and Sedick Claims

1:18:01Management Services, Inc. It's with the

1:18:04Industrial Commission file number

1:18:0624-025481.

1:18:09the board um was asked to consider a

1:18:12potential settlement and um and in fact

1:18:15um ask our outside council to to move

1:18:19forward with settlement on that and um I

1:18:22will be following up with with um with I

1:18:26guess the final outcome of of that of

1:18:29that matter. Um, and then the board was

1:18:32also advised on the um terms and

1:18:37conditions of a of a contract that is um

1:18:40currently currently in dispute and um

1:18:43staff given instructions on that.

1:18:45>> All right, that's it.

1:18:46>> Thank you very much for the update. With

1:18:47no other business for the board, may I

1:18:49have a motion to adjurnn? Motion

1:18:50>> to adjurnn. Second.

1:18:52>> All in favor. Any opposed? Thank you'

1:18:55all.