2026-10-19 - Rules Committee

Summary

Combines the official minutes (votes, motions, attendance) with auto-generated captions (discussion); names, numbers and some bill numbers in the captions may be misheard. The recording runs from the chair's call to order (0:01) to adjournment at about 2:08:52, with no recess and no captionless stretch long enough to hide discussion (the public speakers' remarks at 1:34-3:20 are only partly captioned)

Time on topic (from transcript timestamps; approximate, includes side talk):

Topic	Minutes	Share
Administrative Services Department Reorganization	39	30%
JEA Board Reappointment	31	24%
Affordable Housing Development Loan Funding	18	14%
Construction Trades Qualifying Board Appointment	1	1%
Electric Bicycle Safety Rules	1	1%
Other business	39	30%

Gay chaired with Dr. Salem, Amaro, Lahnen, Clark Murray, Boylan and Pittman (seven members).
A quorum was present early.
Council President Howland was not present; two items were deferred at his request.
Staff at the table came from the mayor's office, Council Research, the Office of General Counsel and the Council Auditor's Office.
The chair took public comment first, then five board appointments, then the rest of the agenda in order, and finished with a handout from Boylan.
Official minutes: convened 9:00 a.m., adjourned 11:09 a.m.; all seven members present. JEA reappointment 2026-0203 approved 6-1 (Salem opposed); 2026-0722 approved 6-1 as amended after the Salem amendment failed 2-5; the Tori Meadows loan 2026-0752 passed 4-3 (Gay, Lahnen and Clark-Murray opposed; the captions did not identify them).
Where the minutes correct the captions: bill 2026-0722 concerns the Office of Administrative Services (Chapter 23), not an environmental quality office; the minutes show the Environmental Quality Division chief provision was the part struck by the amendment.
Official minutes: The Rules Committee also approved 7-0 a batch of board appointments and reappointments, and deferred eight bills including 2026-0192 (a JEA appointment) and 2026-0517 (Construction Trades Qualifying Board).

JEA Board Reappointment

19:05-50:32

Bill 2026-0203 is the mayor's reappointment of a sitting JEA board member (the captions render the name "DiSalvo", "Davo" and "D. Salvo"; see DiSalvo). The chair let him speak even though he was not on the agenda. He said he approaches the role as an independent board member, that his earlier public comments about some council members were not personal or partisan, and that oversight and JEA's operational independence can coexist.
Dr. Salem, the council's former liaison to the JEA board, spoke against. He said he respects the nominee's service and intellect but described a February board meeting where concerns about the then-CEO's management were raised, employees were steered to JEA human resources rather than the inspector general, and he was not recognized when he raised his hand twice to propose a confidential employee survey. He said the nominee later pulled the slate of officers, and held a press conference with the mayor calling the council's investigation political; he argued that a board chair should keep a professional distance from the CEO. These are Dr. Salem's account and the captions are imperfect.
Boylan, a four-year former JEA liaison, supported the nominee: he fit the higher qualification standard written into Article 21, played a major role in two leadership transitions, brings institutional knowledge ahead of another transition, and had a colleague on the board who was out of bounds in asking for the CEO's resignation. He called the comparison to the Jacksonville Transportation Authority "totally out of bounds." Amaro, the new council liaison to the JEA board, cited the Article 21 line between the council and JEA and the nominee's character. Clark Murray cited attendance of 34 of 36 meetings (94 percent), hearsay concerns, and that nothing shown to the committee barred the press conference.
Dr. Salem replied that the nominee could have served until replaced and that the reappointment is why the matter is before the committee; liaisons should be able to take part in board meetings. Pittman said she heard from employees and was troubled but would support the nominee because he acknowledged lessons learned. The chair said the board videos and the treatment of the council president at a JEA meeting were troubling, but that he valued the nominee's remarks this morning.
Approved 6-1 (Dr. Salem against, per his statement). The nominee said he termed out as board chair in April.
Minutes: 2026-0203 approved 6-1 (Gay, Amaro, Boylan, Lahnen, Pittman, Clark-Murray in favor; Salem opposed). Nominee Joseph "Joe" P. DiSalvo attended 34 of 36 meetings (94 percent) of his first full term, March 1, 2022 to February 28, 2026. The companion appointment 2026-0192 (Randy Wyse, replacing Arthur L. Adams Jr., term to February 28, 2030) was deferred.

Administrative Services Department Reorganization

56:47-1:36:04

Bill 2026-0722 turns an environmental quality office into a department with a director. A technical amendment (carried by voice vote) strikes the proposed change to the division chief's qualifications (that post also requires a professional engineer license, so a degree remains), fixes scrivener's errors and attaches a revised chart removing the Jacksonville Sports Foundation.
Dr. Salem moved to strike the "training and experience in lieu of a bachelor's degree" language throughout the bill, for all chiefs and directors, while keeping the conversion to a department. He argued directors manage large budgets and staff, said Jacksonville is not a place for dropping degree requirements, and said the last director without a degree dated to 1987 (waivers have been used for chiefs). He believed a waiver needed a two-thirds vote.
Weinstein of the mayor's office said an eligibility requirement keeps a strong candidate from being considered at all; the department should have been a department from the start; the administration plans a later bill reviewing many positions and keeping degrees where the job needs them; and council keeps final say through confirmation. The Office of General Counsel said the amendment is allowed because the state law (cited in captions as Florida Statutes 112.19; the earlier meeting cited Senate Bill 1310) only authorizes work experience in lieu of a degree rather than requires it, and that staff found no position needing two-thirds to waive a degree, so a waiver is a simple majority.
Supporting the bill as drafted: Amaro (the private sector does this; waivers become political), Boylan (cost of college, a limit on the candidate pool), Pittman (experience matters; she is an example), Clark Murray (opens the path to promotion from within) and Weinstein. Lahnen said he could support the Salem amendment once he learned a waiver is a simple majority, because it would not change the vote threshold for a mayoral appointment. The chair worried about losing guardrails on what counts as equivalent experience, but saw little practical difference since the council still votes.
The Salem amendment failed on a show of hands with two in favor. The bill passed 6-1 as amended (Dr. Salem against, while supporting department status). The chair said he reserved the right to change his vote before full council.
Minutes: the bill is 2026-0722, renaming the Office of Administrative Services as the Administrative Services Department (director, with bachelor's degree plus five years of executive experience or commensurate training and experience in lieu of a degree; division chiefs may also use commensurate experience). The auditor's amendment struck the change to Section 23.802 (Environmental Quality Division chief), fixed scrivener's errors and attached a revised chart without the Jacksonville Sports Foundation. Salem amendment failed 2-5 (Salem and Lahnen in favor). Passed 6-1 (Gay, Amaro, Boylan, Lahnen, Pittman, Clark-Murray in favor; Salem opposed). Note: the captions-based text above calls this an environmental quality office; the minutes show it is the Office of Administrative Services.

Affordable Housing Development Loan Funding

1:36:08-1:53:41

Item 12 (2026-0752) is a city loan of about 2.8 million dollars for an affordable housing development (the project is rendered "Tory Meadows" in captions; names unconfirmed) in District 5, per staff. An amendment (carried by voice vote) aligns the extension language with the agreement, an extension of up to 12 months, and attaches a revised agreement.
Lahnen reviewed the budget picture: 44 million dollars is going to affordable housing this year including a 4.9 million dollar placeholder (Affordable Housing Trust Fund), 15 million dollars of unfunded general fund commitments, 9 million dollars of pending items including a Matt Carlucci bill for 6 million dollars (a 3 million dollar loan and a 3 million dollar completion grant), and nearly 100 million dollars of unbudgeted commitments. He moved to pay the loan with 1.4 million from the capital stack and 1.4 million from utility tap-in funds, re-cast at General Counsel's request as a substitute because it adds an appropriation and would need re-referral.
The city's affordable housing administrator and the chief of the housing and community development division said that money was also meant for single-family homeownership, would be set aside for about two years because the project is not expected to be substantially complete until late 2027 to 2029, and would otherwise be a line item in the fiscal 2028-29 budget. Amaro said the council should keep its word and called the move gutting the set-aside; Dr. Salem cited utility assistance and down payment help; Clark Murray asked about the plan for the money.
The Lahnen substitute failed on a show of hands. The Council Auditor's Office recommended cutting the cap on yearly distributions to the general partner from 500,000 to 280,000 dollars (10 percent of the general partner's loan, as in earlier agreements); the developer's representative supported it and it was carried by voice vote. The bill passed 4-3 as amended; Lahnen said he would vote no because no funding source is identified, and the captions do not name the other no votes. Later committees took it up (see the Log).
Minutes: passed 4-3 as amended (Amaro, Boylan, Pittman, Salem in favor; Gay, Lahnen, Clark-Murray opposed) after the Lahnen substitute-style amendment failed 2-5 (Lahnen and Gay in favor). Hicks spoke for the project. Schell said an appropriation change should be a substitute and the bill re-referred.

Construction Trades Qualifying Board Appointment

50:52-51:30

Bill 2026-0517 was deferred again. The chair said the nominee's company's customer matter is still unresolved and that he plans to take action on it at the next meeting, since a homeowner has gone too long with an air-conditioning problem.
Minutes: 2026-0517 (appointment of Julio Alayo as a HAR contractor member, replacing Clifford Denmon Snell, partial term to September 30, 2026 then a full term to September 30, 2029) deferred; Gay said the issues related to this candidate have not been resolved and action will be taken at the next meeting.

Electric Bicycle Safety Rules

2:08:52-2:09:37

Boylan distributed a list of balances in members' discretionary traffic calming funds and noted that 2026-0755 (not before this committee) lets members spend them on speed limit signs for electric bicycles on sidewalks, a concern JSO had raised.

Board Appointment Confirmations

Approved 7-0: Civil Service Board (Roberts), Library Board of Trustees (Peterson, Gaillard), Planning Commission (Batson), Jacksonville Housing Authority (Shirley), Environmental Protection Board, Health Planning Council and TRUE Commission reappointments. Nominees attending described their qualifications; the minutes list attendance records for reappointments.

Homelessness Initiatives Commission Plan Deadline

2026-0778 approved 6-0 with Pittman abstaining over a potential conflict; explained by MacGillis.

Other business

Public comment: one speaker (a private resident) spoke to the committee with little of it captioned. A second speaker, a frequent commenter, criticized several bills including 2026-0762 to 0764 and the Kids Hope Alliance, and urged the Attorney General to act; the remarks were largely off the agenda items.
Appointments, all approved 7-0 after brief remarks from the nominees (private residents; their names and addresses are omitted): 2026-0733 (Civil Service Board; the nominee described the board as hearing city employee appeals and has law training); 2026-0770 and 2026-0771 (Library Board of Trustees; Clark Murray asked how "patron" is defined and learned there is no fundraising role); 2026-0774 (Cultural Council; Boylan praised the nominee); and 2026-0776 (Planning Commission; Pittman praised the nominee, Amaro asked to be added as a co-sponsor, and the chair urged commissioners to hear residents on zoning changes). Appointees are welcome to attend the full council meeting for recognition.
Deferred: 2024-0966 (at Kevin Carrico's request, see Carrico), 2026-0192 (at Council President Howland's request), 2026-0227 (at Diamond's), 2026-0320 (at White's), 2026-0677 (at Matt Carlucci's request, with the pending housing items), 2026-0756 (an oversight: it was left off the Neighborhoods committee agenda, so it is deferred in Rules and Finance to be heard there; expected to move forward) and 2026-0779 (pending Planning Commission). 2026-0672 was withdrawn 6-0 and 2026-0773 was withdrawn 7-0. Issue pages: Live Oak Ancient City Living Fine Settlement (2024-0966), Abortion Services Spending Prohibition (2026-0227) and Police and Fire Pension Governance Changes (2026-0320).
2026-0687 (corrections employees' defined contribution plan): an amendment clarifies that city college incentive pay, shift differential pay and upgrade pay are not "earnable compensation," and fixes a code reference. A General Counsel attorney said the bill only brings the code in line with contributions already made since the plan began in 2017, so nobody is owed money and former officers have already received theirs; Lahnen and Amaro called it codifying practice. Passed 7-0 as amended. Issue page: Corrections Plan Compensation Definition.
Bills 2026-0758 through 0764, 0772, 0775, 0825 and 0827 through 0830 each passed 7-0 with no discussion, except that Clark Murray, Boylan and Amaro asked to be added as co-sponsors on several of them (0825, 0827, 0828 and 0830). 2026-0778 (extending the deadline for the five-year plan for the HIC, as rendered in captions; the administration said a draft arrived October 14 and two public workshops are planned, so it can be done by February 1) passed 6-0 with Pittman abstaining because she works with the homeless and her staff may apply.
Items numbered 2026-0803 through 0824 (not every number), 0826 and 0832 are on second reading. On 0807 the chair asked members to help constituents who have emailed concerns before it comes back. On 0809 and 0810 (funded from reserves), Dr. Salem asked whether these arose during the budget; Lahnen said they were not budgeted and some may count toward the countywide community benefit agreement obligation.

Issues discussed: JEA Board Reappointment, Administrative Services Department Reorganization, Affordable Housing Development Loan Funding, Construction Trades Qualifying Board Appointment, Electric Bicycle Safety Rules

Agenda

Agenda published; specific items not reviewed.

Official Minutes

Regular Rules Committee meeting, convened 9:00 a.m., adjourned 11:09 a.m.; minutes by Hampsey of Council Research (posted 2026-10-23, 5:00 p.m.). Present (7): Chair Gay, Vice Chair Amaro, Boylan, Lahnen, Pittman, Salem and Clark-Murray. Staff: Legislative Assistant Vanessa Galan, Carraher (Council Auditor's Office), Hampsey, Schell (Office of General Counsel) and Delaney (Administration). Public comment: Oliver and one other speaker. The next regular meeting is Monday, November 2, 2026.

Votes recorded in the minutes:

2026-0203 (reappointment of Joseph "Joe" P. DiSalvo to the JEA board for a second full term to February 28, 2030): approved 6-1 (Gay, Amaro, Boylan, Lahnen, Pittman, Clark-Murray; Salem opposed). He attended 34 of 36 meetings (94 percent) in his first term. Salem opposed over events at JEA under the previous CEO; Boylan supported, noting his work on rewriting Article 21 of the Charter; Clark-Murray spoke about acting on hearsay; Amaro referred to Aristotle on character and credibility; Pittman spoke about forgiveness.
2026-0722 (rename the Office of Administrative Services as the Administrative Services Department with a director and revised qualifications; introduced at the mayor's request, co-sponsor Johnson): amended and approved 6-1 (Salem opposed). The auditor's amendment struck the change to the Environmental Quality Division chief (Section 23.802), corrected scrivener's errors and attached a revised organizational chart without the Jacksonville Sports Foundation. Salem's amendment to keep the bachelor's degree requirement for the mayor's cabinet and remove the "experience in lieu" language failed 2-5 (Salem and Lahnen in favor). Mike Wienstein of the mayor's office (as spelled in the minutes) said some positions do not need a degree. The bill sets for the director a bachelor's degree plus five years of executive experience, or commensurate training and experience in lieu of a degree.
2026-0752 (Tori Meadows loan): amended and approved 4-3 (Amaro, Boylan, Pittman, Salem in favor; Gay, Lahnen, Clark-Murray opposed). Hicks, Affordable Housing Administrator, said the loan funds will not be needed for two more years when the project is complete. Lahnen's amendment to appropriate 2.8 million dollars from the affordable housing trust (1.4 million capital stack, 1.4 million utility tap fees) failed 2-5 (Lahnen and Gay in favor); Schell advised that this should be a substitute and the bill re-referred if approved. The auditor-recommended amendment lowers the general partner distribution limit from 500,000 to 280,000 dollars.
2026-0687 (corrections plan "earnable compensation"): amended and approved 7-0.
2026-0778 (Homelessness Initiatives Commission plan deadline moved from October 31, 2026 to February 1, 2027): approved 6-0 with Pittman abstaining over a potential conflict; explained by MacGillis of the Office of General Counsel.
2026-0733 (Civil Service Board appointment of Gabriel T. Roberts, replacing William M. Cutts): approved 7-0.
Approved 7-0 (Gay, Amaro, Boylan, Lahnen, Pittman, Salem and Clark-Murray): Health Planning Council of Northeast Florida reappointments 2026-0758 through 0761 and 0764; TRUE Commission reappointments 2026-0762 and 0763; Library Board of Trustees appointments 2026-0770 and 0771; Environmental Protection Board reappointment 2026-0772 (Dr. Sunil Joshi, who attended 25 of 32 meetings, 78 percent); Cultural Council of Greater Jacksonville appointment 2026-0774 (Allison Galloway-Gonzalez, see Cultural Council Appointee Financial Obligations); Jacksonville Housing Authority reappointment 2026-0775 (Caleena M. Shirley, to September 16, 2030); Planning Commission appointment 2026-0776 (Aleizha Batson, District 5, replacing Holder, term to October 1, 2028); and commemorative resolutions 2026-0825 (National Adoption Day, November 21), 0827 (160th anniversary of Edward Waters University), 0828, 0829 and 0830.
Deferred: 2024-0966, 2026-0192 (Randy Wyse for JEA), 2026-0227, 2026-0320, 2026-0517 (Construction Trades Qualifying Board; Gay said the issues related to the candidate have not been resolved and action will come at the next meeting), 2026-0677, 2026-0756, 2026-0779. 2026-0672 was withdrawn 6-0 and 2026-0773 (Environmental Protection Board reappointment of Clint Noble) was withdrawn 7-0.
Read second time and re-referred: 2026-0803 through 0807, 0809, 0810, 0812, 0813, 0815 through 0824, 0826 and 0832 (Eastside Community Grants Program).
Boylan distributed a list of balances in district council members' discretionary funds.

Sources

Video

The date in this page's name is the meeting date. The meeting itself is the Rules Committee meeting of Monday, October 19, 2026, as the chair stated at the start (the video is titled "Rules 10.19.26").

Transcript

These are auto-generated captions; names and numbers may be misheard.

Transcript

00:01Good morning everyone. I call the Monday

00:04October 19th rules meeting to order and

00:08we'll start with introductions to my

00:10left with Mr. Delaney.

00:13>> Good morning y'all. Bill Delaney with

00:14the mayor's office.

00:16>> Colleen Hamy, Council Research.

00:19>> Carla Shell, Office of General Counsel.

00:21>> Trista Carer, Council Auditor's Office,

00:25>> District 10.

00:27>> Ron Salem, Group Two at large. Hannah

00:29Mara, City Council, District 1.

00:31>> Mike Gay, District 2. Will Lane in

00:33District 3.

00:36>> Good morning. Tyrone Clark Murray,

00:38District 9.

00:39>> Good morning, Michael Oland, District 6.

00:41>> All right. Welcome everyone. I must

00:44announce though we did have a early

00:46quorum this morning.

00:50>> Yes, we did.

00:56So, do we have any public speaker cards?

01:01>> Oh, I'm sorry.

01:03>> All right, we do have uh one speaker

01:06card and another one on the way. Uh

01:09first, we'll start with Mr. Cara Oliver.

01:12Uh come up, sir. You'll be given two

01:15minutes to give your name and address

01:17for the record.

01:34I'm ready.

01:55I got

02:16anything

02:28So now that has been

02:55because

03:20All right. Thank you, sir. Next, we've

03:22got John J. Nuni. Come on up. Give your

03:25name and address for the record and be

03:27specific. Speaking to a bill, sir. Thank

03:30you. You got two minutes.

03:48Speak into the microphone, please.

04:08All right. You know, this is something

04:10that's been going on. Do I get to start

04:12over?

04:14I I mean, I've got this from other

04:17meetings

04:18through the chair. Do I get an

04:20opportunity to start over?

04:23>> We We heard you. Please continue.

04:26>> All right.

04:28It I'll tell you, Attorney General of

04:31the State of Florida,

04:34call me. I mean, we're getting

04:37absolutely crushed.

04:40All right, I only got 50 seconds, but

04:43I'll tell you what. 20 26 0762

04:4820 260763

04:5120 0764,

04:54you know, Blake Bass, you know, right

04:57here.

04:59Tier One System Park on Potsburg Creek,

05:04you know. Uh he's 10 for 10, you know.

05:07Uh doesn't even need to be here, but I'm

05:10only down to 20 seconds. Here's the

05:12Greater Arlington CPAC. Our CPACs are

05:15absolutely destroyed.

05:18Guests, John J. Nun, you flip over to

05:21the minutes. Here's amen. I'm not even

05:24recognizing the minutes. And here's Kids

05:27Hope Alliance.

05:28you know, two seconds and I'm making a

05:31donation to the park.

05:35>> So, looking at our uh next items we'll

05:38be going through is our appointments. Uh

05:41so, we'll go to our first appointment.

05:44Uh page seven,

05:50item number 11, 2026 0733. Can I get a

05:55motion on the bill?

05:57I've got a motion. Second on the bill is

06:00Gabriel Roberts here.

06:03Come on down, sir, and give us a little

06:06bit about uh your desire to uh serve on

06:10the civil service board.

06:13>> Good morning, uh chairperson and council

06:16members. Um I don't have a a whole

06:18statement prepared here about

06:20everything. I think I submitted some

06:22written responses to questions. I'd

06:24rather use the the three minutes I have

06:25to address any additional questions that

06:27anybody on the the committee has for me

06:29about my background and experience as it

06:31relates to this appointment.

06:34>> All right.

06:38Any speakers,

06:41Miss Clark Murray, you're recognized.

06:47>> Good morning to you. I apologize. said I

06:49did not see the answers to your

06:52questions um that you just spoke about.

06:54So, um, so I'm just going to make an

06:57assumption that based upon you being,

07:00um, nominated for this particular board

07:03that you're like not an employee of the

07:05city, JA, any of those, right?

07:09>> That's correct. Yes.

07:10>> Okay. And so,

07:13can you tell us like what your

07:16understanding is of what the civil

07:18service board does?

07:19>> Yes. The civil service board serves to

07:22hear appeals on employment disputes

07:24between city and city employees. Um it's

07:27comprised of nine members from various

07:30uh appointments. Um my view the civil

07:33service board it's there to ensure that

07:35every employee has the opportunity to do

07:37process on their appeals but also that

07:39every city and public agency has the

07:41chance to make sure the laws upheld

07:43correctly when it comes to any decisions

07:45they make without interfering in in

07:47their roles.

07:48>> Fantastic. And what's your educational

07:50background?

07:51>> Uh, I'm a actually a triple gator. Did

07:53undergrad, masters, and law school at

07:55the University of Florida.

07:56>> Awesome.

07:56>> Um, yeah.

07:58>> All right. Thank you. Thank you, chair.

08:01>> All right. No other speakers in the

08:03queue. If you would give your name and

08:05address for the record.

08:06>> Of course. Gabriel Roberts, 4754,

08:09Beverly Circle, Jacksonville, Florida

08:1132210.

08:13>> All right. No other speakers in the

08:15queue. I've got a motion in a second.

08:17Open a ballot and record your vote.

08:25>> Seven yays, zero nays.

08:27>> By your action, you've approved 2026

08:290733.

08:31You uh you're welcome to come uh this

08:34coming Tuesday night uh to city council.

08:38Uh we'll after the vote, we'll uh re

08:42announce your name and uh recognize you

08:44for and thank you for your service.

08:46Thank you all so much.

08:48>> Thank you. Next item number uh 21 on

08:52page 11.

09:02Item number 21, 2026 0770. Can I get a

09:06motion on the bill?

09:08>> I've got a motion and second on the

09:10bill. Is Jennifer Peterson here? come on

09:13down and uh give your name and address

09:15for the record and a little bit about

09:17your desire to uh serve on the library

09:20trustees.

09:22>> Thank you so much. I'm Jennifer

09:24Peterson. My address is 4624 Tanark

09:27Road, Jacksonville 32210. Um it is a

09:31dream to be able to be here in front of

09:33you um being considered for the library

09:35board. I'm a Jacksonville native, grew

09:37up going to the web west branch and uh

09:41it was formative in my life. Um my

09:44highest educational uh rank is I have a

09:47doctorate in education leadership and

09:49policy from FSU and I have experience on

09:53boards previously. I am currently the

09:55president of the family promise

09:57Jacksonville board, a small nonprofit

09:59that keeps families together. I do

10:01understand the uh role of a library

10:06board member in governance, fiscal um

10:09stewardship and those sorts of things

10:11and policy. Um and yeah, I'm really

10:14excited to to be here and I would love

10:16to take any questions that you might

10:18have.

10:18>> All right. Thank you. Let me go to

10:20Council Member Clark Murray.

10:24>> It's because I'm the newbie on the on

10:26the committee. Good morning to you. My

10:28question actually is for Michelle. Um

10:31Michelle, I was reading in the um

10:35requirements for those who want to serve

10:37on the um the library board trustees

10:40board. It uses the word patron. And I

10:43know in a um previous meeting we were

10:46talking about whether or not those who

10:48are um

10:51selected to serve on boards in regards

10:54to funding, in regards to fundraising.

10:56So, how is patron defined? And

11:00you're looking at me like Clark Murray,

11:02I have no idea. And you just do way too

11:04much,

11:06which I probably do. I'm an overachiever

11:08for sure.

11:10So, just do we have like a general

11:13definition of how it's defined? Because

11:15I'm thinking that this is someone who

11:17loves obviously library maybe a biblio

11:21file, but yet there's like the a

11:23fundraising aspect of it. That's what

11:25I'm thinking, but please clarify my

11:27understanding

11:33>> through the chair to council member

11:34Clark Murray. Thank you for that

11:36question.

11:38Um

11:40I don't believe there's any fundraising

11:42aspect to the and I'm getting a nod from

11:44um the audience. There is no um

11:47fundraising aspect to this board. As far

11:50as the definition of patron, I would

11:52have to review that and look that up and

11:54how it's used in this section. Um, I

11:57think generally a patron is someone who

11:59visits the library, but I don't know if

12:00there's any like card holding

12:02requirement. No, it's just

12:03>> I have my library card and my library

12:05book my library book in the in my bag.

12:07>> Well, today is going to be fun. I'm

12:08gonna be I'm going to bring fun to this

12:10board tonight.

12:13>> Thank you. Thank you. You're great.

12:15Thank you so much.

12:16>> Thank you.

12:17>> All right. Very good. No other speakers

12:19in the queue. I've got a motion in a

12:21second. Let's open the ballot and record

12:22your vote.

12:29>> Seven yay, zero nays.

12:30>> By your action, you approve 2026 0770.

12:35And uh you're welcome to come Tuesday

12:38night. We'll announce your name after

12:41after the vote and thank you for your

12:43service. The next item

12:47is item 22 on page 12.

12:52Item 2026 item 22 2026 0771.

12:56I've got a motion and a second

12:59is Mr. Scott Gilliard. Here

13:03>> thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh my name is

13:04Scott Gilliard. I live at 5375 Orta

13:08Farms Boulevard and I'm a huge fan of

13:11the libraries. I I grew up in the

13:13system. I visited I'd say a majority of

13:16the uh the library branches and I'm

13:18still a very active user. So when I

13:21heard that they needed someone from my

13:23side of town, I I jumped a chance to uh

13:26be a board member.

13:28All right. Thank you.

13:32No speakers in the queue. I've got a

13:34motion and a second. Let's open the

13:36ballot and record your vote.

13:43Seven yay, zero nays.

13:44>> By your action, you approve 2026 0771.

13:48And likewise, you uh Tuesday night,

13:50we'll uh announce your name after the

13:52vote. Uh it's not mandatory for you to

13:54be here, but you're welcome to come. And

13:56thank you for your service.

14:00Next item, number 25 on page 13, 2026

14:050774. Get a motion.

14:08>> Move it. I got a motion to second on the

14:10bill. Is Allison

14:13Galloway Gonzalez here? Come on down and

14:16give us a little bit about your desire

14:19to uh serve on the culture council.

14:22>> Good morning, Council. Allison Galloway

14:24Gonzalez. I reside at 1704 Walnut

14:27Street, Jacksonville, Florida 32206.

14:31I'm very excited to serve on the

14:33Cultural Council board. I have been um a

14:37big supporter of arts and culture since

14:39I moved here in 2009. I have a masters

14:42in art history. I am currently a

14:44consultant for nonprofits and

14:46specifically arts organizations around

14:48the country. I have been on staff,

14:51volunteer or patron of almost every

14:54single one of the 34 grantees of the

14:57cultural council. Um, I helped write the

15:00public art plan for GIA several years

15:03ago, and I am really excited to change

15:07my service to a volunteer position on

15:09the board.

15:11>> All right. Thank you. Let me go to

15:13Council Member Bolan.

15:15>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Through the Chair

15:16Tison, thank you for putting yourself

15:18forward. I didn't bother to return your

15:19email with your questions because I knew

15:21well enough and I knew what great a

15:23contribution you're going to make to the

15:24council council. Thank you.

15:25>> Thank you.

15:27>> All right. Okay, no other speakers in

15:28the queue. I've got a motion and second

15:30on the bill. Open a ballot and record

15:31your vote.

15:39>> Seven yays, zero ns.

15:41>> By your action approved 2026 0774.

15:45And as like the others, uh you're more

15:47than welcome to come Tuesday night and

15:49we'll announce your name after the vote.

15:52And thank you for your service.

15:55Item number 27,

15:582026 0776. Got a motion on the bill.

16:01>> Move it. Second.

16:02>> I've got a motion and a second on the

16:04bill. Is Allesia Batson here? Come on

16:07down and give a little bit about your

16:09desire to be on the planning commission.

16:11>> Good morning. Alicia Batson, 8025 Sierra

16:14Oaks Boulevard. And um I'm very excited

16:17to serve. Um I am I have been in

16:20Jacksonville since 1995. Um I have

16:24previously worked um in the mayor's

16:26office and so and at JTA so I'm very

16:29familiar with um the workings of the

16:32city, very familiar with the city. Um I

16:35have provided some information um to all

16:37of you uh about my background and um I

16:41understand that the comprehensive plan

16:45um is our guiding document um and also

16:47the land use and zoning rules and um I

16:51do understand um about um the

16:55commission, the work of the commission

16:56and how important it is to the city and

16:59so I am very excited to serve. Um this

17:01is an honor for me.

17:04All right. Thank you. Let me go to uh

17:07Miss Council Member Pitman.

17:12>> Good morning. First of all, I thank you

17:14so much for um you putting yourself up

17:18um to serve this community. I have had

17:20an opportunity to work with her over

17:23several years and she is truly a star.

17:27Um, I will tell you that committee, um,

17:31she will be an asset and I'm so glad

17:33that you, um, will be here and hopefully

17:36my colleagues will vote for you today.

17:39Very supportive. Thank you.

17:40>> Thank you.

17:41>> All right. Thank you. Let me go to

17:43Council Member Marorrow.

17:46>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Lisia, thank you

17:47for putting yourself forward to

17:49legislative services. Uh, please add my

17:52name. Thank you.

17:54>> All right. Thank Thank you. And u I I

17:58too want to thank you for coming forward

18:00to serve in this position. Uh this is a

18:03very uh important position for my

18:07district especially and so I always

18:10encourage com the commission members to

18:14please have an open ear to the community

18:18to to to the residents that uh that

18:22zoning changes how they affect. So, uh,

18:27with that, let's open the ballot and

18:28record your vote.

18:35>> Seven yay, zero nays.

18:36>> By your action, you approve 2026 0776.

18:40And you're welcome to come Tuesday

18:41night. It's not required, but if you

18:43want to, we'll read your name out after

18:46after the vote. And thank you for your

18:48service. All right. This takes us back

18:50to the beginning of our agenda.

18:56Item number one, 2024 0966

19:00is deferred at the request of council

19:03member Carico. Item number two, 2026

19:050192

19:07is deferred at the request of council

19:09president Howland. Item number three,

19:112026 0203. Can a motion on the bill?

19:15I've got a motion and second on the

19:17bill.

19:20Uh

19:22before I go to the uh queue, I want to

19:26allow uh Mr. Dalavo to come forward and

19:31uh share a couple of minutes of uh some

19:37items he's requested to speak about. We

19:40have name and address for the record,

19:42sir.

19:42>> Sure. Hi, Joe Davo. Uh address is on

19:44record. Uh, Chairman Gay and members of

19:47the rules committee, thank you for the

19:49opportunity to appear before you today

19:51and for your consideration on my

19:53nomination to continue serving on the JA

19:56board of directors. I consider serving

19:59on the JA board both a privilege and a

20:01serious responsibility.

20:03JA is one of Jacksonville's most

20:05important public institutions, providing

20:08essential services to hundreds of

20:10thousands of customers. Its success

20:13requires sound governance, professional

20:16management, financial discipline, and a

20:18steadfast commitment to providing safe,

20:21reliable, and affordable services.

20:24Throughout my service, I have I have

20:26approached my responsibilities with one

20:29overriding principle. Do what is right

20:32for JA, its customers, its employees,

20:35and the citizens of Jacksonville.

20:38That commitment also means exercising

20:40independent judgment, asking difficult

20:43questions, and speaking candidly when

20:45the circumstances warrant. I recognize

20:48some of my previous comments regarding

20:50the conduct and approach of certain

20:52council members

20:54have generated disagreement. I respect

20:57the city council as an institution, its

21:00oversight responsibilities, and

21:02individuals who serve on it. But respect

21:05does not require an agreement and

21:07constructive oversight should not be

21:09confused with political interference.

21:12When I believe actions or accusations

21:14risk undermining JEA's governance,

21:17professional management, or public

21:19confidence without sufficient factual

21:21foundation, I have an obligation to

21:24speak up. I have done so. I have done so

21:27and will continue to do so when the

21:29circumstances warrant. This is not

21:32personal. It is not partisan. It's an

21:34expression of my responsibility as an

21:36independent board member. I firmly

21:39believe that legitimate oversight and

21:41JA's operational independence are not

21:44mutually exclusive. In fact, both are

21:47essential to effective public

21:49governance. What matters is that our

21:51decisions and public discourse remain in

21:54grounded facts, fairness, due process,

21:57and in the best interest of the

21:58community. I am proud of JA's employees,

22:02its leadership, and the progress the

22:04organization continues to make. Like any

22:07major enterprise, JA faces challenges.

22:10And no organization is beyond criticism

22:13or improvement. Our responsibility is to

22:16address those challenges thoughtfully,

22:18transparently, and professionally.

22:22If confirmed to continue serving, I will

22:25bring the same independence, integrity,

22:28experience, and willingness to make

22:30difficult decisions that have guided my

22:32service. I will always welcome

22:34accountability. I will not confuse

22:37accountability with acquiescence.

22:39My commitment is to the citizens of

22:41Jacksonville and to ensuring JA remains

22:44a strong, professional, managed public

22:47utility for generations to come. Thank

22:49you for your consideration.

22:51>> All right. Thank you. Let me go to the

22:53queue of Dr. Salem.

23:00>> Thank you, chair, and thank you for

23:02allowing him to speak.

23:04Um, let me begin by saying I honor the

23:07general's service in the military.

23:10Uh, our interactions

23:12um after board meetings, before board

23:15meetings have always been cordial. uh we

23:18share a uh a personal issue in our

23:22families and we've discussed that. Um so

23:26and it is not personal to me

23:29uh uh my comments. Uh but I believe that

23:33uh General Dalvo is ills suited to

23:36remain on this board and I'm going to

23:38tell you why.

23:40You could sit down. Uh Mr. Dalvo, I

23:43won't need you.

23:44>> Okay. Does anybody have any other

23:46questions?

23:47go ahead and sit down and if they do,

23:49they'll they'll call you up. Thank you,

23:50sir.

23:53>> So, I I need to go back to the February

23:55board meeting to explain my my concerns.

24:00Uh Rick Morales, a board member and

24:03still a board member who I appointed,

24:06um was vice chairman at the time and

24:09scheduled to be chairman of of the JA

24:12board. and he began meeting with senior

24:14leaders in JA to become familiar with

24:18the issues because he anticipated

24:21becoming chair uh at a at the at a

24:25future meeting.

24:27He was informed by some of the uh uh

24:30senior leaders that he met with of some

24:33uh um

24:35management style problems with uh the

24:38CEO at the time, Vicky Cavey.

24:42He at that board meeting in February, he

24:44reported his discussions to the board

24:48and he reported he had asked her to

24:50resign.

24:52Um, according to him, she had agreed to

24:55resign

24:57but called back later within a day or

25:00two or a few hours. according to uh Rick

25:04Morales

25:06and asked him to hold off on that

25:08decision until she could speak to her

25:10pension person.

25:13She later called him and said she was

25:15not resigning.

25:20At that board meeting, um the board when

25:25these management issues came up

25:28suggested that employees

25:30contact uh human resources

25:34within JEA, the inspector general, etc.

25:40What I don't think the board understood

25:42then is the employees were not going to

25:45go to HR because they felt like HR

25:49was a direct conduit to Vicky Cave and

25:52anything they said would be communicated

25:54to her. So many of the employees did

25:57come to the inspector general and I

26:00asked him to attend the meeting today,

26:02but he he's home. He's ill, but I know

26:05he's watching.

26:12As I think many of you know, uh when

26:15when this discussion occurred, I raised

26:18my hand to be recognized

26:22twice during that meeting.

26:25what I was if I would have been

26:27recognized I think the last several

26:29months may have been a lot different

26:33if I would have been recognized what I

26:35would have communicated is we had a

26:37similar problem the city council did as

26:40many of you know with our leader our

26:42council secretary and we initiated a

26:45survey to the employees

26:49confidential survey that costed us not a

26:52great deal of money to determine

26:56confidentially their feelings about the

26:58council secretary. That process worked.

27:02We ended up uh changing council

27:04secretaries as as we all know here. I I

27:07wanted to recommend that to the JA board

27:10as a tool to quickly determine if there

27:13was a particular problem. I was not

27:16recognized.

27:25And that led to people obviously

27:28contacted the president at the time,

27:30Carico, which led to the investigative

27:32committee.

27:36Mr. D. Salvo also had um the

27:41the the uh the vice chair

27:46uh the the the um the slate for chair

27:51vice chair secretary pulled from a

27:54future agenda so that those names could

27:58be changed and Rick Morales did not

28:01become chair of the JA board.

28:05Now,

28:07this is me speculating.

28:10When a when a board member sometimes has

28:12a difference of opinion,

28:15as in JTA,

28:18she was removed. We all know about Megan

28:21Hayward.

28:24Rick Morales was a council appointment.

28:27He was not a mayoral appointment. He

28:29could not be removed. But instead of

28:31being removed, his leadership moved to

28:35leadership within the JEA was changed.

28:41Mr. Talvo also held a press conference

28:44with the mayor before any of this could

28:46be researched or looked into, calling

28:50the whole process political.

28:55when when uh President Carico set up

28:58this meeting, set up this investigative

29:00committee which was on capacity fees as

29:03I think most of you know as well as the

29:06uh the CEO. I went to the inspector

29:09general where many of these employees

29:13had gone and I spoke to him

29:18and he indicated to me that these issues

29:21of her management need to be looked

29:24into.

29:26As I said, I wish he was here.

29:30He didn't say it had to be looked into

29:32through an investigative committee, but

29:34that was the decision of the president

29:36at the time. So we included that in our

29:38investigation.

29:45When I look at board members

29:48or the what I call the big four

29:50authorities,

29:52I look for three things.

29:55I look for intellect.

29:58Clearly Mr. Dalvo has the intellect to

30:00do this job.

30:02I look for the ability to research

30:05issues.

30:07and get to the bottom of things that are

30:09coming before the board. Spend the time

30:12I I have I've watched Mr. Dalvo. I have

30:16no doubt that he does that. And

30:20probably most is to maintain a

30:23professional relationship with the CEO

30:26and be able to evaluate them

30:29and not in a personal way. And this is

30:32where I think Mr. Dalvo was failed and I

30:35think we have other board members within

30:37our system that have failed. They become

30:39too close to the CEO and become very

30:43defensive

30:45when things come up as is in this case.

30:49He shut the whole process down.

30:54Miss Cavey in her testimony in front of

30:57the investigative committee made a

30:58comment. Why are we here?

31:04when she was tested. We didn't have to

31:06be there. If this thing would have been

31:08handled by the chair in February and and

31:12in my opinion a much more responsible

31:14way, we would not have been there.

31:18Instead, the messenger got punished

31:24instead of investigating the issue

31:26immediately. Now, granted, six weeks

31:28later, the board began a process

31:32But it was way too late.

31:35In fact, I had calls from board members

31:39who told me,

31:41"We didn't handle that well.

31:44We should have paused. We should have

31:47looked into it." But the process had

31:50already begun.

31:58Not very much longer.

32:00I asked for some discretion here, Mr.

32:03Bolan.

32:04>> Let's Yes, he he did. So, let's keep the

32:07cross talk down, please.

32:11>> I believe that personal relationship

32:13interfered with his f fiduciary

32:15responsibility to the city and to the

32:18JA.

32:21As I said, we saw this in JTA.

32:27We saw Megan Hayward come forward

32:31with some accusations and we saw what

32:33happened to her. The mayor removed her

32:37and now we sit here today

32:42examining those issues. So I will not be

32:44voting to confirm Mr. Dalvo

32:48and I urge my council members to do the

32:50same. Thank you chair.

32:52>> All right. Thank you. Let's let me go

32:54through the queue here. Uh, Council

32:56Member Bolan, you're recognized.

32:59>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Feel free to

33:01put me on the clock for three minutes. I

33:03promise I won't go as long.

33:05Um, although my story with uh General

33:08Davo goes back much further than that of

33:10my colleague, Mr. Salem. I served on the

33:13rules committee. Uh, when he became a

33:16member of the board, we were in the

33:18throws rewriting article 21 and working

33:20on the board bylaws. uh the precepts the

33:26uh article 21 even as I just mentioned

33:28to my colleague we raised the standard

33:31if you could as best we could in terms

33:33of the qualifications of the board

33:34members

33:36and he certainly fit that bill.

33:40I served four years as liazison for city

33:42council. I saw the transition of

33:44leadership not once but twice with Mr.

33:48General Davo having a playing a major

33:50role in both the transitioning from from

33:52one executive director to the next and

33:54we're going to go through that process

33:56again. So that transition I think it's

33:58critical to have institutional

34:00knowledge uh which he brings to bear to

34:03this process.

34:05Spoke about Mr. Morales. Rick is a

34:07friend, so I don't say this in

34:09disparagingly, but it was made very

34:10clear at that meeting he was far out of

34:12bounds when he reached out to uh Miss

34:17for the executive director for her

34:19resignation. He had no right and our

34:22opportunity to do so and many of us

34:24board members called him out on that

34:26decision. So I think that that impacted

34:29their ability and confidence in doing

34:32what it uh what in his ability to lead

34:35at that point in time. He was clearly sw

34:38swimming against the tide as it related

34:40to the city council members. I mean the

34:42board members of of JA and and the role

34:45that they're supposed to play.

34:48I I I I believe General Davo has put his

34:51heart and soul into this work. deserves

34:54the opportunity to continue uh missteps.

34:57We all make missteps in the heat of the

34:58motion at the moment that's likely to

35:01happen. As a liaison, I understood my

35:03role. It was made very clear to me not

35:06by the chair at the time, but someone at

35:08the very first meeting says leazison is

35:09there to provide a conduit between the

35:12the board and the council, which I

35:14played that role often. And when asked

35:16to speak or or provided opportunities to

35:19speak, I was I was able to do so in most

35:22instances with General Dalvo. So, but I

35:24understood my place on that board and

35:27for us to try and interject our own

35:28personal opinions of how things should

35:30be happening simply was not the role of

35:32a liazison on this on that board or any

35:34board for that matter as my colleague

35:37probably knows knows well. So, I will

35:40continue. I'm frankly kind of surprised.

35:43No, I'm not a kind of surprised. I am

35:44very surprised we're having this

35:45conversation. I mean, what we've seen

35:47happen has happened behind us and to

35:49compare it to JTA is totally out of

35:52bounds. We clear mismanagement situation

35:54going on with JTA. We're not seeing that

35:57with JA. We're seeing a challenge in the

35:59transition from leadership from not once

36:01but twice during his tenure on the on

36:04the board and I think we need to

36:06continue to allow him the time and

36:08opportunity to uh continue to serve in

36:10that capacity. So, I will be supporting

36:12his nomination, a renomination today.

36:15>> All right. Thank you. Let me go to

36:17council member Marorrow.

36:23>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am going to

36:26support the reappoint

36:29as the new liaison to the JA board. I've

36:34had the uh task of reading article 21

36:39which defines the very clear line of

36:42demarcation between the role of the city

36:44council and the role of the JA the

36:48independence authority.

36:51When I look at an individual who puts

36:53himself forward for service,

36:56I use the Aristotle metric

37:01ethos pathos

37:04logos.

37:06I look at the character of the

37:07individual, the passion of their heart

37:10before I listen to what comes out of

37:12their mouth.

37:14What I just heard a second ago has

37:17clearly defined the role of this

37:19individual that he is there to do what

37:22is right.

37:24And I think that is the approach that we

37:27need for governance in our municipal

37:29bodies doing what is right. Not what is

37:33expedient, not what is political, not

37:36what is popular, but what is right.

37:40And for that reason,

37:42I'm going to support this uh

37:44reappointment.

37:45I think uh this individual still has the

37:48heart to serve this community and do

37:50what is right.

37:53>> All right. Thank you. Let me go to

37:55Council Member Clark Murray.

37:59>> Thank you, Chair. Uh, as the newest

38:03member of this particular standing

38:05committee, I'm surprised. I don't think

38:07we've had any instances like this

38:09before. This is surprising to me. I look

38:12first of all at the what the code says,

38:16what our ordinance says. And so, first

38:18of all, his reappointment, he has

38:20attended 34 out of 36 of the meetings.

38:22That's a 94% average. I also look at the

38:27elements that are mentioned in regards

38:29to someone serving that position and

38:31it's been mentioned before by council

38:33member Boland. I'm also thinking about

38:36some some legal aspects like hearsay.

38:40You you you

38:43just don't say what someone else said

38:46especially on the record without having

38:48that person here to cooperate what it is

38:51is what is being said. I don't see in

38:55the information through the chair. I'm

38:56sorry if I didn't say that earlier. And

38:58I don't see in the information about JA

39:00boards as to whether or not Mr. whether

39:04or not Mr. Dalvo is prohibited from

39:06meeting with the mayor because that was

39:08mentioned by council member Salem. Um I

39:11also don't see where some of the uh

39:15where it's mentioned that he allowed the

39:19situation at that time to interfere with

39:21his fu fiduciary duty to JA and once

39:25again one of the aspects or one of the

39:28requirements is that he attends the

39:30board meetings and he's doing that. Um,

39:34JEA

39:36seems to be always kind of a sore spot

39:39in regards to our city and it's always

39:42in my opinion as a native of

39:44Jacksonville always seeming to be under

39:46attack in some shape form

39:51or or or method and and I understand why

39:54especially after what happened during

39:56the Curry administration

39:58and this big I heard a amen like I was

40:01in church. Okay, good. So, um, and

40:05whether or not Mr. Defa, Mr. Dalvo ha

40:08was prohibited from the press

40:10conference, it's not outlined. Maybe

40:14it's in the bylaws, something that I

40:15can't access right now that he

40:18shouldn't, but we don't know that

40:20information right now. And like my other

40:22colleagues, I'm going to support his

40:23reappoint based on

40:27some of the things that he mentioned in

40:28regards to his um speech to us and based

40:33on the information that's in our that's

40:36codified in regards to what JA board

40:38members should do. And until I find out

40:41otherwise, I'm going to support it.

40:43Thank you, chair.

40:45>> All right. Thank you. Let me go back to

40:47Dr. Salem for a second time.

40:51Thank you, chair. I'll make this quick

40:52just to clarify a couple of points. Um,

40:54we're here because the mayor decided to

40:57move his reappoint.

40:59Mr. Davo could serve until he's

41:02replaced.

41:05That's why we're sitting here today as I

41:07understand it. He he he could serve

41:09another three or four years until he's

41:12replaced.

41:14So, we are here because of a

41:16reappointment process. It's my

41:18understanding. Uh number number two, uh

41:22I would freely admit the fact that uh

41:25Rick Morales approached her to resign at

41:28that board meeting and that was reported

41:31um threw off the board to some extent,

41:34but the the accusations

41:37uh that I should say the information he

41:39obtained from senior leaders within JEA

41:42about her management style was still on

41:45the table and they and I don't think

41:48they handled that correctly. Um, number

41:51three, the role of the leazison. There's

41:54just a difference of opinion between

41:55some of my colleagues and I on the role

41:57of the leazison. When I came on the

42:00council, the leazison to JA sat in the

42:03audience.

42:05I went to a JA board meeting in the

42:07middle of all the hoopla that we had in

42:102019. I said, why are you sitting out

42:12here? Well, that's what they told me to

42:14sit. So um we have come a long way with

42:19our leazison and I think our leaison

42:23need to be involved in board meetings

42:26need to be able to ask questions

42:28particularly at JEA because we own JEA

42:33the other authorities a little bit

42:34different I was the first person

42:38who defended President Howland when the

42:41port authority wouldn't allow him to

42:43speak. I wish he was here today to

42:47verify that it was. So I I believe our

42:52leazison throughout the government ought

42:54to be able to um participate. Now they

42:58need to be careful that they don't get

43:00too involved and I would be the first

43:02one to say that. But they should be

43:04recognized and be able to participate

43:07and I was not.

43:10I was ignored by Mr. Dalvo twice. I

43:14encourage you to go watch that tape. I

43:16was very respectful of that process. In

43:19fact, I had a number of calls that asked

43:22me why I didn't react. I was not going

43:24to play into that.

43:27I was not going to play into that.

43:30The pro uh of course Mr. Dalvo can can

43:34meet with the mayor. I never said that.

43:36I said he held a press conference with

43:38the mayor and Vicky Cavey calling the

43:42whole process political and also all all

43:45sorts of other words.

43:48He can clearly meet with my concern was

43:51he held that press conference as the

43:53board chair. I would not do that without

43:56authority from my board if I was in that

43:59position but he did and I think that was

44:03beyond his scope as well. Thank you,

44:05chair.

44:07>> All right. Thank you. All right. No

44:09other speakers in the queue.

44:12I'd like to Mr. Salvo, if you would come

44:14back up. I want to ask you one one

44:16question

44:18uh real quick. Are you the board chair

44:21now? Currently?

44:22>> No. I I had two years of board chair and

44:25that and so I termed out. So, as of

44:28April, I um my last month was in April

44:31as a board chair.

44:32>> Okay. Thank you. All right. You know,

44:35hearing the you can sit down. Thank you.

44:39Hearing the conversation which um you

44:43know sometimes they can go lengthy. Um

44:48Mr. Dalvo wasn't on the agenda to speak

44:51but he asked to speak. So, I always will

44:56lean toward the opportunity for anybody

45:00that is part of the bill, the situation

45:05to have an opportunity to speak. And so,

45:09some may go long, some may go short, but

45:12I'm always going to give everybody the

45:14opportunity to speak. I believe that's

45:17that's democracy. I I believe that's the

45:19fair the fair way it should be. uh

45:22looking at uh Mr. Dalvo and the

45:27situations that arose that that I wasn't

45:30there. I watched it uh the videos of it

45:34uh in those board meetings. Yes, they

45:36were troubling to me. They were

45:37disturbing. Same as the JA, the way

45:42President Holland was treated. and I

45:45went to that meeting out there at JA

45:48witnessed it and was pretty appalled at

45:52what what took place as well as some of

45:55the other council members that attended

45:57it as well. Uh since NJA

46:01uh has a different approach which I'm

46:04appreciative to now I believe uh Mr. to

46:08Savo and hearing him and in his

46:11presentation this morning to us that u

46:14there's things he probably would have

46:17done differently. U and life is about

46:21lessons and we learn lessons and it's

46:25not about all about what we do wrong is

46:30it's it's about what we do to correct

46:32what we did wrong. And so I believe he's

46:35learned a a pretty big lesson from this.

46:39And you know, I always like to u live

46:43life by the ex the the the 221. I got

46:47two ears, two eyes, and one mouth. And I

46:50try to keep it in proportion. And I

46:53always look at every situation that way

46:56to where it's not all about me being

46:59heard. So that's that's why Councilman

47:02Landon always talks about how much I

47:04talk.

47:08But I believe there's just, you know,

47:10with liaison, with the council up here,

47:13these committees, there's wisdom in in a

47:17multitude of council, and we all should

47:21uh always be be a sponge to that to

47:23bring it in to listen, and that way it

47:26makes us all a better city, makes us all

47:29a better ja, makes us all a better ja.

47:33So with that, I'll stop real quick and

47:36go to Miss Pitman.

47:40if you would please come forward.

47:45I totally agree with everything you said

47:47and of course I've had an opportunity to

47:50be involved with the investigation on

47:53the committee and all of that. What I

47:56would like to say to you, um, you came

48:00prepared this morning to basically say

48:04that maybe everything didn't go right,

48:07but you're still willing to serve this

48:10community. Um, your experience, your

48:14foundation is amazing and the fact that

48:18you are here and you still want to

48:21serve, I got to say. and and we all have

48:24had an opportunity to say something that

48:27um I'm going to support you.

48:31Um

48:32you know, I have heard from the

48:36employees,

48:38I've heard from the staff, but we all

48:41make mistakes. And when we can stand up

48:44and say

48:47that the lesson learns, when you know

48:50better, you do better. And so I just

48:53wanted to say that to you because it was

48:56very disturbing to me um and especially

49:00hearing um the employees of what they

49:03had to say. But I I like to keep it

49:06straight and fair that you are a person

49:10that want to continue to serve and I

49:13would hate for us to um miss an

49:16opportunity

49:18um for your talents, your institutional

49:21knowledge um to not continue to serve.

49:26Thank you.

49:27>> Thank you.

49:29>> All right. Thank you. There's no other

49:31speakers in the queue. And I just want

49:34to um also to Councilman Salem, I I

49:39totally feel and understand that what

49:42you went through and u definitely do not

49:46downgrade or uh dismiss that whatsoever.

49:50And my desire is to see a a different

49:56uh approach that the JA board does. And

50:00I I think this will probably be uh

50:03significant as a lesson learned of what

50:05not to do and to let's do better. Uh so

50:09with that, let's open a vote to open a

50:12ballot and then record your vote.

50:22>> Six yays, one nay.

50:24>> All right. By your action, you've

50:25approved 2026 0203.

50:29And thank you Mr. Dalvo for being here

50:32this morning.

50:34Next item number 4 2026 0227 is deferred

50:38at request of council member Diamond.

50:40Item number five 22 Item number five

50:442026 0320

50:47is deferred at the request of Council

50:50Member White.

50:52Item number three, 2026 0517

50:56is deferred. And just a little update on

51:00that, um I received more information

51:04that this item is still not resolved for

51:08the property owner. And uh just for

51:11everybody's

51:13uh you know, just for everybody's

51:15information, we will I will be taking

51:17action on this next meeting. I believe

51:20it's gone too long to sit here and have

51:23a a homeowner put AC issues this long.

51:27So, we'll be taking those taking that up

51:30into our next next meeting. Item number

51:33seven, 2026 0672.

51:37I've got a motion and a second on the

51:39withdrawal. No speakers in the queue.

51:42Open the ballot. Record your vote.

51:49Six yay, zero nays.

51:50>> By your action, you've withdrawn 2026

51:530672.

51:55Item number 8, 2026 0677

51:59is deferred at request of council member

52:01Matt Carluchcci.

52:03Item number nine, 2026 0687. Can I get a

52:08motion on amendment?

52:09>> Second.

52:09>> I've got a motion second on amendment.

52:11Mr. Chair,

52:13>> through the chair to the committee, the

52:14amendment will correct some warehouse

52:16clause language to clarify that the city

52:19did not intend to include city college

52:21incentive pay, shift differential pay,

52:24and upgrade pay within the definition of

52:26earnable compensation within the

52:28corrections employees defined

52:29contribution plan. We also correct some

52:31formatting within a code reference in

52:33the bill and correct some scrier's

52:35errors.

52:37>> All right, no speakers in the queue on

52:39the amendment. All in favor of the

52:40amendment say I.

52:41>> I. All right. With that, the amendment

52:44carries. Do I get a motion to second on

52:45bills as amended?

52:47>> Second.

52:48>> I got a motion to second on the bill as

52:50amended. Council member Clark Murray,

52:52you're recognized.

52:56Um

52:58to Michelle. Um,

53:01in reading this bill, I those who

53:04participated in this plan

53:08and who have retired or who are

53:11separated from the city, will they be

53:13reimbursed? How is that going to work?

53:17If there's someone else who can answer

53:18the question, they can come forward too.

53:20>> The chair, I would recommend that you

53:23direct that question to Mr. Granite, who

53:25is the author of this bill.

53:27>> Thank you.

53:32Yes, sir. Give your name and address for

53:34the record.

53:35>> Good morning. Sean Granite, Office of

53:37General Counsel

53:40through the chair. Um,

53:42>> do you need me to through the chair? Do

53:43you need me to restate the question?

53:45>> No. Um,

53:49so what this does is correct in the code

53:52what's already been done. So money's

53:55already been contributed by employees

53:57and the city. So no additional money by

54:01the employees or the city will need to

54:03be paid. This just catches the code up

54:05with what's been done for the past nine

54:07years.

54:08>> So thank you for that. So no money is

54:12owed to anyone but so the money has been

54:14collected and let's just say between the

54:17time that the money was collected and

54:19now someone who's separated from the

54:22city or separate a corrections officer

54:24who's no longer employed will will they

54:27receive funds will they be reimbursed or

54:30how is that going to work? They they

54:32already have. Okay. For for the past

54:34nine years,

54:35>> this additional money has been

54:39contributed towards the corrections

54:41officer's retirement accounts. So, if

54:43they've left, they've got they've

54:46received that money.

54:47>> Okay. Thank you. That was my concern.

54:49Thank you. That was my concern, chair,

54:51just how those who were separated and

54:53they did not weren't aware of this money

54:55being collected, how they would receive

54:57their their funds. So, thank you. Thank

54:59you, Mr. Ganon. All right. Thank you.

55:02Let me go to council member Lannon.

55:04>> Thank you chair and through chair first

55:05off to the committee. Uh this is a very

55:07complicated bill so I want to make sure

55:08we at least uh discuss it a little. Uh

55:10but through the chair Mr. Granite thank

55:12you for walking me through it. I think

55:14you reached out to a number of both

55:16finance and rules members. Uh at the end

55:18of the day I don't think I'm

55:20understating it uh to say that we are

55:22essentially codifying what our practice

55:24has been for the past couple of years.

55:27And that is really the most material

55:28substance of this is just codifying the

55:31practice we've been doing. Correct.

55:32>> Through the chair. That's absolutely

55:34correct.

55:35>> Thank you. And I will be supporting this

55:37and voting yes.

55:38>> All right. Thank you. Let me go to

55:40council member Marorrow.

55:41>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr.

55:43Layman, for uh uh making that uh clear

55:48uh in plain English. Uh they've been

55:51doing this for a while and now they're

55:53making it legal.

55:56plain English.

56:00>> All right, let me go to Dr. Salem

56:04>> through the chair. I I believe um can

56:08you come back up for a second? This goes

56:10back nine 10 years, does it not? As I

56:13recall,

56:14>> it does. It goes back to the start of

56:16the defined contribution plan in 2017.

56:19>> 17. So, it's 10 years. So, it's it we're

56:23just codifying something that's gone on

56:24for 10 years, not two years. Thank you.

56:29>> All right. No other speakers in the

56:30queue. I've got a motion to second on

56:32the bill as amended. Let's open a ballot

56:34and record your vote.

56:42>> Seven yay, zero.

56:43>> By your action, you approve 2026 0687.

56:47Next item number 10. 2026 0772

56:520722. Okay. Got a motion on amendment.

56:55>> Move the amendment. Second.

56:56>> I've got a motion second on amendment.

56:58Miss carer.

56:59>> The chair to the committee. The

57:00amendment will strike the proposed

57:02change to code section 23 802 which are

57:06the qualifications for the environmental

57:07quality division chief. Uh as proposed

57:10this would strike the requirement to

57:11have a college degree. It would allow

57:14for um training and experience in lie of

57:16that degree. Um, after discussing this

57:18with employee services, uh, there's

57:20another requirement that this position

57:23be a professional engineer, which does

57:25require a college degree. So, uh, that

57:28proposed change will be, um, removed

57:30from this bill, and we'll correct some

57:32scrier's errors and attach a revised

57:34exhibit one, which is the org chart to

57:35remove the Jacksonville Sports

57:37Foundation.

57:38>> All right. Thank you, Dr. Salem. on the

57:40amendment.

57:46>> The the amendment includes the language

57:50of using training I'm sorry in le

57:53training experience in lie of a

57:54bachelor's degree does it not

57:58for um office of administrative services

58:01or is that a separate part of this?

58:07I'm I'm just trying to determine should

58:08I speak now or should I wait till after

58:10the amendment passes

58:11>> through the chair to council member

58:12Salem I believe you want to wait until

58:14after the technical amendment passes.

58:16>> Thank you.

58:20>> All right. So Council Maro, you on the

58:22bill?

58:23>> Okay. Go ahead, sir. Just very quickly

58:25through the chair, I'm going to support

58:26the amendment for the simple reason that

58:29in the private sector, it's been a known

58:32practice that uh if someone is woefully

58:35uh or does not meet the academic

58:38qualifications for a position,

58:41um life experience, work experience, I

58:44can be considered commensurate to what

58:47the value of that education is. So it it

58:50just seems like it it's a practice that

58:52should have been part of for a very long

58:56time and now it's being done. Am I

58:58correct through the chair too?

59:02>> I I think what uh what

59:06what what you're getting at uh council

59:08tomorrow would be uh not the technical

59:12amendments but it's going to be on on

59:14the bill and I believe Dr. Salem will be

59:17have an amendment that we'll probably

59:19have some discussion on about that same

59:28>> for um

59:30>> that's what I was

59:31>> correct. Correct. So that that that's

59:34not the the what the amendment uh

59:37contains in that. So but we'll be coming

59:41back to those discuss those those

59:44issues. Go ahead, Council Mar. If you

59:46>> So, we're considering two amendments

59:48instead of

59:49>> right now. There's just one one

59:51amendment at right now on the floor.

59:55>> One technical amendment.

1:00:02>> Okay. All right. So, no other speakers

1:00:05on the amendment on the floor. All in

1:00:07favor say I. I.

1:00:09>> Any opposed? Likewise, none. The

1:00:11amendment carries. Now, Dr. Salem,

1:00:16>> you're going to move the bill as

1:00:17amended.

1:00:18>> Move the bill as amended.

1:00:20>> All right. I've got a motion second on

1:00:22the bill as amended. Dr. Salem, you're

1:00:24recognized.

1:00:27>> Thank you, Chair.

1:00:29Um, I have very strong feelings about

1:00:32this issue and expressed them three

1:00:34years ago um when I was president and

1:00:38this issue came up.

1:00:41I believe our our cabinet, which is the

1:00:44mayor's cabinet, uh ought to require a

1:00:47college degree. In fact, if they wanted

1:00:50to make them uh masters or something in

1:00:53addition to that, as large as this

1:00:56government is, a consolidated government

1:00:58where you've got 10 or 12 people as

1:01:00cabinet members,

1:01:02um I think you could make that argument.

1:01:04They're they're managing sometimes

1:01:07hundreds of people in budgets of tens of

1:01:10millions of dollars

1:01:12and I think a college degree um to me is

1:01:16a minimal requirement for that. Uh I am

1:01:20in favor of of this of this office

1:01:24becoming a department which is also a

1:01:26part of this bill. I'm I'm fine with

1:01:29that. If there was a candidate that the

1:01:35administration felt was appropriate

1:01:38to had some long-term experience and did

1:01:42not have a college degree, uh they could

1:01:45move a waiver on that particular person

1:01:48and we could have that discussion. But I

1:01:51think to I I I have seen where things

1:01:56like this can get abused and and I my

1:02:00concern would be if we let this occur,

1:02:04it will then become common place to make

1:02:07other departments in a uh um

1:02:11not require a college degree. And I

1:02:14think we're down a slippery slope. So I

1:02:17would make an amendment to strike any

1:02:20language about training experience in

1:02:22lie of a bachelor's degree in this bill

1:02:26and and and just and just have a pure

1:02:29bill that makes the office of

1:02:32administrative services a director and

1:02:35then if the administration wants to come

1:02:37back after this and move a candidate

1:02:42uh with a waiver I think that's an

1:02:44appropriate discussion to have Um, we

1:02:46are not Hooterville.

1:02:48We are Jacksonville.

1:02:51And, uh, to to have people uh, without a

1:02:54college degree just off the bat, I think

1:02:58is a is a big mistake for this

1:03:00government.

1:03:04We're the envy of most places in the

1:03:06country by our form of government. Let's

1:03:09don't make a change like this. Thank

1:03:11you. And I appreciate the second.

1:03:13>> Thank you. Let me go to Michelle real

1:03:15quick. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Through the

1:03:17chair to Dr. Salem, um I'd like to

1:03:20clarify what your amendment is. Are you

1:03:22wanting to remove the commensurate

1:03:24training and experience in le of a

1:03:25bachelor's degree degree throughout the

1:03:27bill uh for every chief? And because

1:03:31it's in several places.

1:03:32>> Yes. Because I have I have voted for and

1:03:36let me clarify something here. We have

1:03:39had chiefs come to us with waiverss

1:03:42in the past and I have supported them. I

1:03:46would I I don't have a problem at the

1:03:49chief level. As most of you know, a

1:03:52director has many chiefs that report to

1:03:55him. Um I think our housing person came

1:03:59to us a few years ago, did not have a

1:04:01college degree. I think he was working

1:04:03on one at the time if I recall correctly

1:04:05and I supported that. But I think a

1:04:08director is different. Personally, I

1:04:11think they should have a college degree.

1:04:14However, if if the administration wanted

1:04:17to to come forward with a waiver, and I

1:04:20should also mention, and I've researched

1:04:22this, the LA outside of the fire

1:04:24department, which I think is unique for

1:04:27not having a college degree, the last

1:04:30director in this government that did not

1:04:33have a college degree that was a

1:04:35director was 1987.

1:04:39It was Al Canard. I know I'm looking at

1:04:42Mike Weinstein. He knew Al Canard. I

1:04:45knew Al Canard. Uh he was very very

1:04:48close to Jay Godbolt.

1:04:50Uh Ken knew Al Canard.

1:04:53He was he was the public works director

1:04:56and did not have a college degree. Think

1:04:59about that for a second. But that was

1:05:01what that's what Jay Gobbald wanted. So

1:05:04this is unprecedented

1:05:07and I think we should leave it the same

1:05:08and use the process. Yes. So to answer

1:05:10your question for the the other chiefs

1:05:13in this area that that u experience part

1:05:17would be removed as well.

1:05:24Okay. So now we're on the Salem

1:05:26amendment here. Um they go through the

1:05:29queue. Miss Miss Murray, are you on the

1:05:32Salem amendment?

1:05:38Thank you chair through the chair to

1:05:39Miss Larry if you would come forward

1:05:41Miss Larry because and this bill was

1:05:45deferred and so in our last meeting our

1:05:48rules meeting I was under the impression

1:05:51or my understanding was that this is not

1:05:53necessarily a um motivation or being

1:05:59the catalyst for the change is not

1:06:01coming from the administration but it's

1:06:02coming from statute. So I I I want some

1:06:06clarification on that and then if it's

1:06:08not coming from statute then I will say

1:06:11the rest of what I need to say this

1:06:13morning. So okay, Mr. Weinstein if

1:06:16you're going to speak that's fine.

1:06:17Whomever

1:06:19>> if I could Mr. Chairman.

1:06:21>> Yes. Go ahead. Mr. Weinstein Mike

1:06:22Weinstein mayor's office. Um, the way

1:06:25the process is supposed to work is

1:06:28there's an eligibility list and the

1:06:30eligibility has the requirements

1:06:33and you got to get through that to get

1:06:36to be considered.

1:06:38If you if we if we have an eligibility

1:06:41requirement and you don't meet it, you

1:06:42could be the best qualified person in

1:06:44the world, but you don't move to the

1:06:46next step is the way it typically works

1:06:48throughout city government. Um, you can

1:06:51debate the importance of life

1:06:53experiences and what have you. Um, the

1:06:55goal of this is as Councilman Salem said

1:06:59is to get this aligned with the other

1:07:01department. This should have been a

1:07:02department from day one. It wasn't set

1:07:04up that way. I I can't say why. I don't

1:07:07know why. Um, and then you have

1:07:09confirmation. You didn't have

1:07:10confirmation the way it is today. Um,

1:07:13putting it as a department, you'd have

1:07:15confirmation. And whether a person comes

1:07:18to you with life experiences or degrees,

1:07:22it's still your decision. Um, what we

1:07:25would like to do is go through the

1:07:27entire roles of all of our positions and

1:07:30where a college degree is required, but

1:07:33it doesn't have anything to do with the

1:07:34job. If you're a civil engineer, you got

1:07:36to have certain degrees. If you if you

1:07:38want to be assistant general counsel,

1:07:39you got to have certain degrees. But

1:07:41many of our positions throughout

1:07:43government including directors don't

1:07:45have a required certification or

1:07:47education to do the job. Life

1:07:50experiences is is very very important

1:07:52maybe more so than a social science

1:07:55degree. So we are very strongly looking

1:07:58at all the positions and we're going to

1:08:00come back to you with a bill with many

1:08:02positions to strike the education

1:08:05requirement. keep it for all the ones

1:08:07that require it to do the job, but put

1:08:10life experiences and training in in lie

1:08:13of so they at least make it to the next

1:08:16step and be considered. And again, you

1:08:18make final decision. So, we're not

1:08:20trying no one will sneak someone through

1:08:22that isn't necessarily prepared that you

1:08:25don't have an opportunity to to speak

1:08:26to.

1:08:28>> Thank you for that, Mr. and and

1:08:30basically we're we're trying to get this

1:08:34office like the other departments to get

1:08:37it in the code the same way.

1:08:39>> Thank you for that. So through the chair

1:08:41to Mr. Weinstein or Mr. Liry. So this is

1:08:45not you're this is not a requirement

1:08:47that's coming from Florida statute on

1:08:49the record please.

1:08:50>> Uh through the chair to Councilman Clark

1:08:52Murray. No it's not required. it's um it

1:08:56encourages and so that is the expanding

1:08:58public sector careers opportunity act.

1:09:01>> Okay. Thank you so much for that. So in

1:09:04in reference to this particular position

1:09:07I read the language in our ordinance

1:09:10code and it it does not require

1:09:16a a degree. it it does not what the

1:09:20person the the position what the person

1:09:23is required to do in this position

1:09:25they're a a degree is not required so I

1:09:30don't think that

1:09:32not changing the information in regards

1:09:36to the language to include in lie of

1:09:40a bachelor's degree will

1:09:43diminish the power of the person who's

1:09:46who's selected for this particular

1:09:47position position. And so I understand

1:09:51council member Salem's um concerns in

1:09:54regards to

1:09:57a person holding a high position and

1:10:01being able to manage and not only manage

1:10:06and have the intellect and the

1:10:07leadership style to

1:10:10direct others. But in this case, if they

1:10:13want to use inlue

1:10:18of a bachelor's degree with the

1:10:20experience, it's appropriate for this

1:10:22type of position.

1:10:24And once again, what this person is

1:10:26doing, it's an administrative service

1:10:28department. That's what they're changing

1:10:30the title from director to

1:10:32administrative service department.

1:10:35So,

1:10:38I want to make sure I may have that a

1:10:39little backwards, but I don't think

1:10:42changing the language from requiring

1:10:45someone to have a bachelor's degree or

1:10:48the equivalent experience is

1:10:50inappropriate for the position. Thank

1:10:53you.

1:10:54>> All right. Thank you. Let me go through

1:10:56the queue here. Let's go to Council

1:10:58Member Lannon.

1:11:00>> Thank you, chair. Thank you, Chair to

1:11:01Mr. Liry, if you don't mind coming up.

1:11:03Uh when we met, you had shown me the new

1:11:06state law, and I guess uh what I'm

1:11:09trying to get to with what you've heard

1:11:10on Council Member Salem's amendment. Uh

1:11:13and Miss Shel, this is a question for

1:11:14you. Is his amendment allowable based on

1:11:17the language that we discussed in the

1:11:19new state law?

1:11:20>> Uh through the chair to Councilman

1:11:22Lannon, uh yes, it is allowed because

1:11:24it's not required. It encourages.

1:11:27>> So through the chair, Miss Oly, the

1:11:28state law is actually encouraging, not

1:11:30mandating local governments to do this.

1:11:33That's correct.

1:11:33>> Okay. And through the chair to Dr.

1:11:34Salem, just one more time, your

1:11:36amendment is going to put the degree

1:11:38requirement, but will there also be

1:11:40language on or equivalent or will that

1:11:43just be dropped essentially

1:11:46>> through the chair, council member

1:11:47layman,

1:11:49the the language that I want is the

1:11:51existing language, which is a college

1:11:53degree

1:11:56for all of our chiefs and all of our

1:11:58directors. I I think a college degree

1:12:02indicates someone who has dedicated

1:12:04themselves for some period of time to

1:12:06become studious research all those types

1:12:09of things. I think it gives a level of

1:12:11gravitas to that particular candidate.

1:12:14However, as I said, we have waved that

1:12:17for chiefs.

1:12:19We have never since 1987 waved that for

1:12:23a director. And I I I I just think it's

1:12:27a mistake.

1:12:29personally

1:12:30>> through the chair to Michelle. So what

1:12:32that would mean is if someone was

1:12:34nominated to council or if someone was

1:12:36appointed and it comes to us for

1:12:38approval, a waiver requires 2/3 instead

1:12:40of simple majority to approve. Is that

1:12:42correct?

1:12:47>> Through the chair to council member Lane

1:12:48and that would be specific to each um

1:12:51position. It would have to be written

1:12:53specifically in the code. not aware of

1:12:55one that requires twothirds to wave the

1:12:57the education requirement, but if you

1:13:00have a question about a specific one, I

1:13:02can research it

1:13:03>> through the chair to Dr. Salem, please.

1:13:06>> Thank you. My understanding is a waiver

1:13:08requires twothirds. So that I think you

1:13:12are correct if they wanted to nominate,

1:13:16as I said, I'm all for making it a a

1:13:18director's position. Let me make that

1:13:20very clear. But if they had someone to

1:13:22add a college degree, as I understand

1:13:24it, from who I people I've talked to, it

1:13:26would require twothirds of the council.

1:13:29>> Thank you.

1:13:33>> All right. Thank you. Let me go to

1:13:35council member Marorrow.

1:13:40>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um during my

1:13:43tenure here on city council, the uh I

1:13:46voted against two waiverss out of uh

1:13:49principle

1:13:50uh because I thought that if the uh job

1:13:54position required a college degree

1:13:58um the waiver was um

1:14:02was not

1:14:04should not have been encouraged.

1:14:07uh in the process I discovered that the

1:14:09problem with a waiver is that it leaves

1:14:12it open to the political process.

1:14:15So you come to this body, you find a

1:14:18good candidate and you're asking for a

1:14:20waiver to the uh academic requirements

1:14:23and you get 10 votes from individuals

1:14:26who don't like the person for whatever

1:14:28reason

1:14:30did not consider his his qualifications

1:14:33or anything of that nature.

1:14:36So I believe that this is an effort to

1:14:39come up with a fair and equitable

1:14:42uh approach to hiring the best of the

1:14:45best. If someone has been and and this

1:14:50is an oversimplification, but if someone

1:14:53has been making widgets for 20 years and

1:14:56they don't have a college degree, but

1:14:59you want a a director of making

1:15:03widgets,

1:15:05I would think that he is imminently

1:15:07qualified for his 20 years of experience

1:15:10even though he doesn't have a college

1:15:11degree. And so I I I I find this

1:15:14approach uh just very pragmatic. Uh it

1:15:18is used in the private sector uh where

1:15:21individuals apply for jobs and and

1:15:24somehow their

1:15:26uh educational background may not quite

1:15:29fit but their work experience, their

1:15:32life experience

1:15:34uh makes up for that difference. And and

1:15:37I think that's all it's asking here. and

1:15:40and I

1:15:42um don't don't have a problem with that

1:15:44same application being used in in

1:15:47government. If it's good for the private

1:15:49sector, it should be good for

1:15:50government.

1:15:52>> All right. Thank you. Let's go to

1:15:53Council Member Bolan.

1:15:57>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I always shudder

1:15:59going after Council Member Omero his

1:16:01comments. Uh I think we heard from Mr.

1:16:03Weinstein uh by putting and I certainly

1:16:06respect Councilman Salem's interest and

1:16:09commitment in this. We've got obviously

1:16:11a state statute now that encouraged us

1:16:14to say let's take a look at the

1:16:15practical application of the individual

1:16:17and the experience that they have in

1:16:18this process. Mr. Weinstein mentioned it

1:16:21would actually limit their ability in

1:16:23terms of a pool of candidates by having

1:16:26this barrier of a degree in the middle

1:16:29of it. So, let's if we don't approve

1:16:32this amendment, which I don't believe we

1:16:33should, uh we will have the opportunity

1:16:36as a council member to take a look at

1:16:38whether or not that person is qualified,

1:16:40whether we agree or disagree that their

1:16:42life experience warrants them to have

1:16:43this position without a college degree.

1:16:46I don't want to limit uh our ability to

1:16:49as as council member and others had to

1:16:52uh disqualify people automatically

1:16:55because of of that situation of the lack

1:16:57of a degree. Let's leave that

1:16:59opportunity to them for them to bring

1:17:01back to us candidates who who they

1:17:03believe are qualified and for us to

1:17:05approve. So this amendment limits that

1:17:08ability in terms of identifying the best

1:17:10candidates out there. So well I

1:17:12appreciate the intent. I I can't support

1:17:14the amendment.

1:17:17>> All right, let me uh go to Council

1:17:19Member Pitman for the first time.

1:17:24>> Thank you. I'm really glad that you said

1:17:26that. Um, Councilman Borland, you know,

1:17:30I I think about

1:17:32a lot of people

1:17:35who wish that they can apply for a

1:17:39certain job, and that's almost like

1:17:42running for counsel. You know, you you

1:17:44don't run for counsel

1:17:47because you don't have a degree. You run

1:17:51because

1:17:53you believe that you can get the job

1:17:56done.

1:17:57Right.

1:17:58And

1:18:00in this market these days, you might

1:18:04have someone that has a degree, but they

1:18:07don't have

1:18:08the workforce

1:18:11experience.

1:18:14So,

1:18:16with how the workforce is changing, we

1:18:20want the best and the brightest,

1:18:23right?

1:18:25I'd like to have options, you know, not

1:18:29just having a degree because I've hired

1:18:33people who had degrees

1:18:37but didn't have the experience.

1:18:40But I also hired people who have the

1:18:43experience

1:18:44and not the degree. And I'm going be

1:18:47honest with you, my person that doesn't

1:18:50have the degree tend to be the better

1:18:52person because that means when they come

1:18:55in, they have a degree, they come in on

1:18:58a job and you're learning as you go. So

1:19:03with our city being the way it is, I

1:19:06think we should have representation

1:19:11of both.

1:19:13Um since the statute only encourages it

1:19:17doesn't mandate

1:19:19um I think we should take a look at it

1:19:23you know um I've noticed well I would

1:19:26say in the past years I've been on five

1:19:30um mayor's advisory list and they've

1:19:32changed the operational

1:19:35um chart

1:19:38over and over again. It's not it wasn't

1:19:40consistent, you know, but I think with

1:19:44this opportunity that we have um at at

1:19:50this point in time that we really need

1:19:52to look at it and give

1:19:56the person and in the future persons

1:20:00that are interested in applying

1:20:03um for jobs with the city. Um and and

1:20:08Councilman S, I do understand what

1:20:10you're saying. I would say, you know,

1:20:12old school and new school right now,

1:20:15right? Um

1:20:17but I I don't have a problem with it um

1:20:21at this point in time because I'm an

1:20:24example of that.

1:20:26I worked at a company.

1:20:29I didn't have my degree at the time. And

1:20:34unfortunately, well, fortunately for me,

1:20:36I did go to school because I had I had a

1:20:39child early and I didn't have the

1:20:42opportunity to to go to school right

1:20:45after high school, right? So, I worked

1:20:48and someone was willing to give me a

1:20:51chance and also allowed me to get my

1:20:55degree while I was working. Not

1:20:59everybody does that, but I'm an an

1:21:02example of a person and who had the

1:21:05experience,

1:21:07but I just did not have the educational

1:21:11degrees at the time. So, um, don't count

1:21:15those individuals out. Thank you.

1:21:19>> All right. Thank you. Let me go to Miss

1:21:21Shell first and then I'll to Dr. Salem

1:21:24and then Councilman Amaro.

1:21:30Thank you through the chair to the

1:21:32committee. So Miss Caraher and Miss Yamy

1:21:34and I have looked through some of the

1:21:35code and I cannot locate any position

1:21:38that requires twothirds vote to wave the

1:21:41education requirements. So absent that,

1:21:43it's a simple majority. That's what's

1:21:45currently required. Um the other thing I

1:21:47would like to clarify um is the statute

1:21:50that we're referencing the 11219

1:21:53Florida statutes. um just reading the

1:21:56text in the law, it authorizes you to

1:22:00consider related work experience in lie

1:22:02of a college degree. I don't see any

1:22:04language encouraging you to do so,

1:22:06although um the administration may know

1:22:09of some intent or something else written

1:22:11about this law, but the actual law just

1:22:13authorizes you to do that.

1:22:15>> All right. Thank you. Let me go to Dr.

1:22:17Salem.

1:22:20>> Thank you, Chair. Let me let me make a

1:22:22few points. Um, number one, I've I think

1:22:24I've worked on three different

1:22:26transitions where a new mayor came in.

1:22:28And to think that there aren't a stack

1:22:31of resumes about this high for any of

1:22:34these director positions,

1:22:37countless numbers with college degrees.

1:22:39There there's no issue of getting people

1:22:43with a college degree into these

1:22:45positions. So, I I don't know where

1:22:46that's coming from. Number two, I've

1:22:49worked in the private sector for 40 some

1:22:51odd years. I've never seen in my

1:22:54experience the watering down of

1:22:57experience versus a college degree. If

1:23:00anything, in the PE companies I've

1:23:02worked with, it's it's become more

1:23:04stringent. Um, number three, um, I

1:23:08realize people are looking at college

1:23:10degrees differently than when I was

1:23:13growing up. Um people are looking at

1:23:16electricians and uh uh workforce

1:23:19development and those types of things in

1:23:22lie of a college degree. That's not what

1:23:24we're looking at in this government as

1:23:26directors. These people are are managing

1:23:30frequently four or five chiefs, many

1:23:33employees underneath those chiefs, uh

1:23:36profit loss statements monthly, making

1:23:40sure they're staying within budget.

1:23:42Those are skillful people. they should

1:23:44be skillful people if they're going to

1:23:46accomplish those types of things

1:23:48effectively.

1:23:50Um,

1:23:52I'm I'm pleased to I I I thought some of

1:23:55the resistance of the administration of

1:23:58with the waiver process that I have

1:24:00suggested was the twothirds vote. If

1:24:03it's truly a simple majority, that makes

1:24:06it even easier if they've got a good

1:24:08candidate, which removes some of this uh

1:24:12um political stuff someone mentioned. It

1:24:15would just require 10 votes for a waiver

1:24:17for a particular person. if we felt like

1:24:20their experience

1:24:23uh in lie of a college degree.

1:24:27Now, it looks like I'm getting beat up

1:24:29here again, which

1:24:31I understand. I have no problem with

1:24:34that. I have strong feelings and I'm

1:24:36going to vote my feelings uh here and on

1:24:40Tuesday night if if that's the case. And

1:24:42I'll speak again because this is only in

1:24:45rules. So I have a an opportunity to

1:24:47educate another uh a dozen of my

1:24:50colleagues but uh I just feel there is a

1:24:53process if they have a candidate let's

1:24:56let them use that process and uh I uh

1:25:01instead of changing the requirements.

1:25:03Thank you chair.

1:25:04>> All right thank you. Let me let me go to

1:25:07uh Councilman Lannon for the first time.

1:25:13>> Yeah.

1:25:14>> Thank you chair. It is not my first time

1:25:15though.

1:25:17>> I think it's my second time. Yeah. Uh so

1:25:20so with the new information through the

1:25:21chair to Dr. Salem, I'm fine supporting

1:25:23the amendment now because one big key

1:25:25piece of information we just got, it's a

1:25:27simple majority and this means that the

1:25:30administration now, future, whatever,

1:25:32they can still submit someone to us at

1:25:34their discretion and it's the same

1:25:36threshold. So really, it's it's going to

1:25:39have it in the code as a requirement,

1:25:40but it doesn't change the voting

1:25:42threshold to approve a mayoral

1:25:44appointment to be a director. So for

1:25:46that reason, I'll support it.

1:25:48>> All right. Now, let me go to Councilman

1:25:49Amaro.

1:25:51>> Thank you, uh, Mr. Chair, through uh the

1:25:54chair to Mr. Layman. You you are

1:25:56correct. However, all appointments are

1:25:59approved by the body. Correct.

1:26:04>> Through the chair to Mr. Mah. Yes. But

1:26:06about 10 minutes ago, I thought this was

1:26:08going to change it to a 2/3 majority

1:26:10required and it's gotten clarified that

1:26:12it's a simple majority.

1:26:13>> My point in saying that is that whether

1:26:16it's the waiver process or there isn't,

1:26:18the final say still comes back here. Um,

1:26:22you know,

1:26:24these executive positions, they're not

1:26:27elected. Therefore, uh, uh, the

1:26:30threshold of the standard of of

1:26:33eligibility is not the same. Um, you and

1:26:36I know getting elected is is a

1:26:40popularity contest

1:26:42and and so but finding someone for the

1:26:45job, the right person for the job is a

1:26:48whole different threshold.

1:26:50Um,

1:26:52if I heard Mr. Weinstein correctly, they

1:26:54will still maintain

1:26:57um academic college uh requirement for

1:27:02those position that demand it.

1:27:05For example, the city would not hire a

1:27:07medical examiner

1:27:09without an MD degree

1:27:12and replace them with a EMT with 20

1:27:15years of experience. It requires an MD

1:27:17degree. So I I think that there has to

1:27:21be that

1:27:22that flexibility as they pursue the best

1:27:25of the best

1:27:27that um it is fair and equitable to

1:27:31consider the individuals for the

1:27:33executive position for these executive

1:27:36positions.

1:27:38uh their life experience, their work

1:27:39experience

1:27:41um when they don't have the academic

1:27:46qualification.

1:27:48And again, just based on what I've seen

1:27:51here, when we use the waiver process, it

1:27:54opens it up to the political process

1:27:57where people are denied waiverss because

1:28:00they just don't like the person or they

1:28:03got a phone call that says, "Hey, you

1:28:06need to vote that person down because

1:28:11and then in the end, we still have the

1:28:14authority to approve or disapprove.

1:28:18Thank you.

1:28:19>> All right. Thank you. Let me go to

1:28:21Council Member Bolan.

1:28:24>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, Council Member

1:28:26Pitman's comments really struck a chord

1:28:29with me.

1:28:31The average cost of a college education

1:28:33these days is about $40,000 a year.

1:28:36That's $160,000.

1:28:38That's a threshold that many people

1:28:40never can realize. yet who aspire and

1:28:42have the wherewithal to the experience

1:28:44to lead to to manage. Uh to put that

1:28:49barrier in front of people who would

1:28:51love to have the opportunity to work in

1:28:52the city in a leadership position I

1:28:55think is unfortunate and it will

1:28:57discourage. Granted there probably many

1:28:59qualified candidates coming to to bear

1:29:01some of these positions but to preclude

1:29:04somebody because they can't afford that

1:29:06price tag to get a college degree is

1:29:09just just unfair. And I appreci again I

1:29:12appreciate Councilman Salem's position

1:29:14on this. I just think we need to make

1:29:16sure we provide everyone the opportunity

1:29:19to demonstrate their ability to serve

1:29:22and lead in our city.

1:29:25>> All right. Thank you. So now we're on

1:29:28the we're still on the Salem amendment.

1:29:31Um

1:29:33Mr. Delaney, I you just popped up in the

1:29:35queue.

1:29:38>> Yeah. Uh if it pleases the chair. Uh Mr.

1:29:40Weinstein has another comment he'd like

1:29:43to make.

1:29:43>> Yes. Commission. Come on, Mr. Weinstein.

1:29:47>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate you

1:29:49going ahead with your comment about you

1:29:51letting people speak. I think

1:29:54>> it's appropriate. 30 seconds. Two things

1:29:56to Councilman uh Len through the chair.

1:30:00We still have to when we submit the

1:30:01ordinance put in that we're looking to

1:30:04wave the code and to Councilman Aro's

1:30:06position that just raises the the idea

1:30:09of it. It's a problem. It's it's unique.

1:30:11It's it's one thing that we really would

1:30:14not have to overcome whatever the vote

1:30:16is. And also, Councilman

1:30:19Dr. Salem is correct. It's all about

1:30:22management, but you don't learn how to

1:30:24manage in college. You learn how to

1:30:26manage when you're dealing with people

1:30:27through life. Um, these are management

1:30:30positions. They're not required to have

1:30:33certain education levels. They need to

1:30:36be able to deal with people, personnel

1:30:38issues, and you get that through life.

1:30:39You don't get that through college.

1:30:43>> All right. Thank you. Um

1:30:47so

1:30:48I guess some of my my concerns with the

1:30:52taking the um

1:30:56requirement of in lie of that gives a

1:31:01specific work life experience out of it

1:31:06and just having a having it uh as as a

1:31:10waiver. uh my concern is not having

1:31:13those guard rails to say what the waiver

1:31:17is to be inclusive of. And so that's

1:31:22that that's my concern on on uh pulling

1:31:26pulling it in lie out of out of it. So

1:31:29that that's where um I think we need to

1:31:33have some kind of

1:31:36guard rail direction of what the

1:31:39parameters are that that we will

1:31:42uh allow in lie of or a waiver. U so

1:31:47that that's where I'm concerned of

1:31:49taking it all completely out. Um maybe

1:31:53we can look at how we can

1:31:56uh differently

1:31:59come in and make it all inclusive but

1:32:02still have the um the process of of a

1:32:07waiver. But you know it's going to come

1:32:09back to us for 10 votes. And it it's

1:32:13really now that I'm looking at it more

1:32:16there's really not much difference with

1:32:18the um the college and then the the

1:32:22waiver

1:32:24in lie of um still being 10 votes. So

1:32:31with that we'll go ahead and uh take

1:32:34this vote by hand. So all in favor of

1:32:38the Salem amendment uh raise your hand.

1:32:42We've got two in favor. Any opposed?

1:32:46Likewise, raise your hand.

1:32:49So, the Salem amendment uh fails.

1:32:53So, so now we're back to the bill as

1:32:56originally amended.

1:33:01And

1:33:05>> Right. Right. Yeah. Give me a a motion

1:33:07and a second on the bill as amended. Dr.

1:33:10Salem, you're recognized.

1:33:12>> As I stated previously, I was supportive

1:33:15of the position becoming a director, but

1:33:17I will be voting against the bill

1:33:19because of the changes.

1:33:21>> Thank you.

1:33:22>> All right. Thank you. Um, Miss Clark

1:33:24Murray, you're recognized.

1:33:27>> Thank you, Chair. So simply the language

1:33:29states that a bachelor's degree or

1:33:31higher from an accredited college or

1:33:33university it says and at least five

1:33:36years of progressively responsible

1:33:38executive level experience.

1:33:41What happens now is that you that and is

1:33:43replaced with in lie of and so that

1:33:46means it once again it it does it opens

1:33:48up the pool of candidates in my opinion.

1:33:51It also gives those who have been with

1:33:53the city and maybe in any of these

1:33:55departments that are mentioned in

1:33:56chapter 23 an opportunity to move up

1:34:00within the city without having to go and

1:34:04acquire a degree. And once again, it's

1:34:06the experience that matters. And I I

1:34:09like what was said earlier. I think

1:34:11about the 70s. I think about that time

1:34:13in which which is very similar to the

1:34:16time that we're living in now in which

1:34:17people college was very expensive and so

1:34:22people still needed to make a good

1:34:24living and they could do so without a

1:34:26college degree because there was the the

1:34:28work experience was commensurate to

1:34:31having a college degree. So I see the in

1:34:35lie of as opening up the higher level

1:34:39positions that are higher paying to

1:34:41those who are already within these

1:34:43particular departments and giving them

1:34:45hope and opportunity to move up and so I

1:34:48will support this bill today. Thank you.

1:34:52>> All right. So we have no other other

1:34:55speakers in the queue. So I just a

1:34:58little more tidbits from me. you know, I

1:35:01I'm not college educated, so you know,

1:35:05Andrew Jackson's it for me. And uh

1:35:09you know, so and North North Florida

1:35:12Builders uh apprenticeship, four-year

1:35:15program, you know, I graduated from

1:35:18there and then uh went on to my life

1:35:22experiences to where I am now. Um I I

1:35:26just see looking at this now seeing that

1:35:29it's not a twothird vote. It's it's the

1:35:32same whether we do a waiver we do in lie

1:35:36of um that that what I'm what I'm seeing

1:35:39now. So uh if things I see things

1:35:43differently or find out something

1:35:44differently by the time we go to vote I

1:35:46res always reserve my right to change my

1:35:48vote. So let's uh open a balance and

1:35:51record your vote.

1:35:58Six yays, one nay.

1:36:00>> By your action, you approve 2026 0722.

1:36:04Thank you all for the discussions.

1:36:08All right. Item number 11. We've taken

1:36:10action. Item number 12, 2026 0752. Get a

1:36:14motion on amendment.

1:36:15>> Second.

1:36:16>> I've got a motion to second on

1:36:17amendment. Miss Carer.

1:36:19>> Through the chair of the committee. The

1:36:20amendment will correct the extension

1:36:22language in the bill to sync it up with

1:36:24what was in the agreement to allow an

1:36:26extension of up to 12 months. And we

1:36:29also place a revised agreement on file

1:36:31to correct some scrier's errors.

1:36:33>> All right. No speakers on the amendment.

1:36:36All in favor of the amendment say I. I.

1:36:38Any opposed? Likewise? None. The

1:36:40amendment carries. Can get a motion to

1:36:41second on the bill as amended.

1:36:44>> Second.

1:36:45>> I got a motion second on the bill as

1:36:47amended. Council member Lannon, you're

1:36:49recognized. Thank you, chair, and to the

1:36:51committee. Bear with me because a lot of

1:36:53these facts we have shared greatly in

1:36:54finance. If you go back to budget night,

1:36:57and really all throughout the budget

1:36:58process, uh, one of my big things I kept

1:37:01on reiterating is the conversation made

1:37:02it seem like we were deciding between 0

1:37:04and $4.9 million of affordable housing.

1:37:08And I tried to make sure everybody

1:37:10understood the facts that on budget

1:37:11night, it was really, do we want to

1:37:12spend 39 million or 44 million on

1:37:15affordable housing? Uh, and I'll get to

1:37:17the the bill here in a second, but just

1:37:18to remind everyone, even before we

1:37:20approved this year's budget, we had

1:37:22already appropriated about $15 million

1:37:24primarily in grants for fiscal year

1:37:262627.

1:37:28Second, and this ties to the auditor's

1:37:30handout, the financial commitments

1:37:32tracking, which uh is unfunded financial

1:37:35commitments.

1:37:36uh through three separate pieces of

1:37:38legislation, we've approved $15 million

1:37:41from the general fund uh which I believe

1:37:43all are unfunded at this time and the

1:37:46timing based on that $15 million payout

1:37:48is based on uh the construction

1:37:50timelines. Additionally, I mentioned

1:37:52that we had $9 million in items that

1:37:55were already on our agenda for

1:37:56affordable housing. Uh this is the first

1:37:58one uh item number eight of which I

1:38:00believe council member Matt Carluchi is

1:38:02the bill sponsor on. Uh, that one's

1:38:04actually for6 million. It includes a $3

1:38:06million loan and a $3 million completion

1:38:09grant. So, that's what gets you up to

1:38:10the 39 and we're at 44 million now

1:38:13because we did approve an additional $5

1:38:16million uh for spending uh on affordable

1:38:19housing initiatives. That is in the

1:38:21budget but as placeholder only for now.

1:38:24Going to the financial commitments

1:38:25tracking. Uh, and again, amendment three

1:38:28has no bearing on this. This is still

1:38:29the total amount. If you look at the

1:38:31bottom right, the amount of unfunded

1:38:33commitments we've made through approving

1:38:35things for downtown investment

1:38:37authority, which is the big one, office

1:38:39of economic development, and then

1:38:40housing and community development

1:38:42division, most of which is the items

1:38:44that I just mentioned on that as well.

1:38:46We made good progress last year. We able

1:38:48to reduce this by about $34 million. Uh

1:38:51but again, if you look to the bottom

1:38:53right, uh assuming the Publix and this

1:38:54item are approved, we're back up to

1:38:56about hund00 million total of financial

1:38:59commitments. we have made without having

1:39:01an identified uh funding source for

1:39:04that. Uh and one other thing I want to

1:39:06point out it whether it's a loan or a

1:39:09completion grant, it still is cash out

1:39:12the door well before we receive it back.

1:39:14So if you look at the housing and

1:39:16community development division, all

1:39:18three of those are loans. All that cash

1:39:20outflow is in the next couple of years

1:39:22and is well beyond the time series of

1:39:25this uh uh spreadsheet in front of us on

1:39:28when we actually get that money back

1:39:30especially the principal part of that.

1:39:32Uh so with that uh to get me to a yes

1:39:34one of the amendment I wanted uh an

1:39:36amendment I wanted to propose of that

1:39:384.9 million I mentioned that we did not

1:39:40have specific items especially for the

1:39:43capital stack and the uh I believe it's

1:39:45the utility tap in I forget the exact

1:39:47amount but I do know that there would be

1:39:49enough within those two line items to

1:39:52cover 2.8 million. So my amendment would

1:39:54be to use a portion of that 4.9 million

1:39:57to fund the 2.8 8 million for this

1:39:59development loan so we can keep it

1:40:01within the budget rather than having to

1:40:03add an additional item that we have now

1:40:06unfunded.

1:40:08And Michelle, if you need me to clarify

1:40:10that, let me know. Or Miss Caraher

1:40:15>> through the chair to council member

1:40:16Lane, if you could just clarify exactly

1:40:19how much you want to pull from those

1:40:21accounts. There's 1.4 4 million in the

1:40:23capital stack allocation and 1.5 million

1:40:27in the housing utility tap-in fees. This

1:40:29bill would approve a loan of 2.8

1:40:33million. So we would just need to know

1:40:35how you want to fund that

1:40:37>> through through chair miss carer 1.4 the

1:40:39capital stack and then 1.4 for the

1:40:41utility tie in

1:40:47>> and I would need a second.

1:40:52>> Do we have a second? All right. Second.

1:40:55Got a motion in a second.

1:40:58Um Michelle, did you want to

1:41:01>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh through the

1:41:03chair. So, my recommendation to you, Mr.

1:41:05Lane, is that you move this as a

1:41:06substitute. It's it's a substantial

1:41:08change to this bill adding this

1:41:09appropriation where there was not one

1:41:11before. Um that's my suggestion and it

1:41:14would need to be re-referred. If this is

1:41:16approved, the substit move to approve

1:41:18the substitute is re-referred would be

1:41:20the ultimate um

1:41:22>> through the chair to Michelle. So what

1:41:23should my motion be at this point in

1:41:25time for discussion

1:41:27>> through the chair to council member

1:41:29Lannon? Um I'm just clarifying I guess I

1:41:32you moved your it as an amendment. So I

1:41:34just want to clarify that it would be a

1:41:36substitute is is the better option. So

1:41:38if you want to rephrase it as the lane

1:41:40and substitute you can um or I can do

1:41:42that three. The chair I move the lane

1:41:44and substitute taking the 1.4 million

1:41:46from the capital stack and the 1.4

1:41:48million for utility tie-in that was

1:41:50created under 2026504.

1:41:54>> We get a second.

1:41:57All right. I've got a motion and a

1:41:58second on the landing substitute. All

1:42:01right. Miss Council Member Clark Murray

1:42:03on the landing substitute.

1:42:09>> Thank you chair. Through the chair to

1:42:12Mr. Delaney.

1:42:14Um, I know the 4.9

1:42:19and I I don't have all of those

1:42:21different categories in front of me, but

1:42:25what what is your thought or the

1:42:27administration's thought in regards to

1:42:30this particular project?

1:42:33Um,

1:42:35I'm going to talk to him first. Thank

1:42:37you, though. Um,

1:42:38>> thank you. uh through the chair to

1:42:42council member uh Clark Murray. Um

1:42:47>> so part of my concern is I'm not exactly

1:42:49sure which district this particular

1:42:52>> bill is going to be in. I I want to say

1:42:54five, but I'm not council district five,

1:42:56but I'm not sure. I may have been maybe

1:42:57thinking about another bill.

1:43:00>> If I could bring up

1:43:02Josh Hicks, the

1:43:04>> our housing director, I think he could

1:43:06answer your question the most

1:43:07thoroughly.

1:43:09Good morning.

1:43:10>> Good morning through the chair. Um to

1:43:13Councilwoman Clark Murray, Joshua Hicks,

1:43:16affordable housing administrator for the

1:43:17city. Um Tory Meadows is in council

1:43:19district, I think five, which is Joe uh

1:43:21Councilman Joe Carluchi's district. So

1:43:23um it would be solely for that district.

1:43:28>> So what is the

1:43:31at this point? I don't think the

1:43:32administration had any plans for that

1:43:344.9.

1:43:35So, would this fit into what the

1:43:40um administration's thoughts are in

1:43:42regards to a more affordable housing?

1:43:44Does it fit within the the vision for

1:43:48this year, this budget year?

1:43:50>> So, through the chair to councilwoman

1:43:52Clark Murray, um so as as the council

1:43:55authorized on budget night, um the 4.9

1:43:59million was assigned to different

1:44:00buckets. You had the two million for

1:44:02down payment assistance, etc., etc. Um,

1:44:06a lot of that money, uh, the tap-in

1:44:07program and the capital stack was going

1:44:09to actually be used for also single

1:44:10family home ownership opportunities at

1:44:12an affordable level. If this amendment

1:44:14passes, that goes away. We won't have

1:44:16those, uh, those dollars to RFP to be

1:44:19able to build more single family

1:44:21affordable homes. The money would go

1:44:23towards this rental project, but I will

1:44:25note this rental project is upon

1:44:27substantial completion. um it's not

1:44:29scheduled to be completed until at the

1:44:30very earliest late 2728 or early 2829.

1:44:35So you're basically putting $2.8 8

1:44:37million aside for two years and we're

1:44:39not then able to spend it into the

1:44:41community on like single family home

1:44:43ownership opportunities as the council

1:44:45by a um by a majority vote authorized on

1:44:48budget night to actually allow us to not

1:44:50only spend the money on the rental side

1:44:52for multifamily but also for home

1:44:54ownership opportunities for down payment

1:44:56assistance for tap in for uh for new

1:44:58home builds.

1:44:59>> Okay. Thank you so much for that Mr.

1:45:01Hicks. Um Mr. Jeff, if you would come

1:45:03forward. What was the through the chair?

1:45:06What was the funding? What was

1:45:11upon this particular bill? What was the

1:45:14thought that the funding source would

1:45:15be? General revenue. What was the what

1:45:17was the thought of the funding source?

1:45:20>> Uh Travis Jeffrey, chief housing

1:45:22community development division through

1:45:23the chair. So, um again, like um Josh

1:45:27just spoke about, it's at substantial

1:45:30completion. So, we're actually just

1:45:31going to, you know, set the money aside

1:45:34or identify that we're today and then

1:45:38the funding source will probably have to

1:45:39come out of the budget in 2728.

1:45:42So, it' be a line item in the budget.

1:45:44>> Okay. All right.

1:45:47Okay. I think I'm I'm okay. Thank you.

1:45:49Thank you. In regards to the amendment,

1:45:51though. Thank you, Mr. Jeff. Thank you,

1:45:52chair. I'm good for now.

1:45:54>> All right. Thank you. Let's me go to

1:45:55Council Member Marorrow.

1:46:01Thank you uh Mr. Chair. Um

1:46:05uh with all due respect to Council

1:46:07Member Layman who Layman who uh I have

1:46:10tremendous respect for and his

1:46:13uh ability to

1:46:16um crunch the numbers.

1:46:19Um I I I think it's this is somewhat

1:46:22unfair to the action that was taken

1:46:26um in creating the uh the 4.9 million.

1:46:29Um I I supported it because of the the

1:46:33big chunk of the money was going into uh

1:46:36uh down payment assistance

1:46:39uh helping folks fulfill their dreams.

1:46:42But I also realize that some of those

1:46:44TAP dollars are also necessary to keep

1:46:47down the cost of home construction and

1:46:49again give opportunities um for home

1:46:53ownership. I think gutting it is is

1:46:58exactly what this amendment would do.

1:47:02And I I just

1:47:05I know how we are as a city council. We

1:47:07give it and we take it. I I get that.

1:47:11Um, but when we give when we give our

1:47:14word, we should hold our word

1:47:17and and so I I I will not be supporting

1:47:20the uh lean in amendment. Thank you.

1:47:24>> All right. Thank you. Let me go to Dr.

1:47:26Salem.

1:47:31>> Thank you, chair. I second this for the

1:47:33purpose of discussion. Um,

1:47:36one of the things that I said on budget

1:47:38night was I had learned a great deal

1:47:41from my friends at JEA about utility

1:47:44assistance that that that can be a

1:47:46several thousand cost. Once they have

1:47:49the house, then they can't get into the

1:47:51house because of of this particular

1:47:54issue. I I'm a huge proponent of down

1:47:57payment assistance and I was able to get

1:47:59more money towards that. Um, so I I I

1:48:03just can't support the I can't support

1:48:05the amendment because of those reasons.

1:48:07Understand what what Council Lane is

1:48:10trying to do. I I I just will not

1:48:13support the amendment. Thank you.

1:48:15>> All right. Thank you. Let me go to

1:48:17Council Member Lannon.

1:48:19>> Uh, thank you, Chair. And, uh, it's

1:48:20clearly not going to pass, but I do want

1:48:22to point out a couple things. Uh first,

1:48:23my priority in my almost four years on

1:48:26council is that we know how we're going

1:48:27to pay for something before we approve

1:48:30it. This is about to be another example

1:48:32of something we are approving. In fact,

1:48:34Michelle, what you said should be

1:48:36impactful to all of us. You said I

1:48:38should change it to a substitute because

1:48:40it makes it an appropriation. Uh right

1:48:42now it's not an appropriation. We are

1:48:44committing to another almost $3 million.

1:48:47And uh Mr. Jeffrey, you pointed out that

1:48:49it' be a line item within the 2829

1:48:51million budget. This will make the

1:48:54financial commitment of unbudgeted

1:48:56grants and loans $38 million. Now, that

1:49:00is a sizable piece of our relatively

1:49:03small discretionary budget right now. If

1:49:05amendment 3 passes, no idea how we're

1:49:08going to pay for $38 million of grants

1:49:10and loans that are coming due in the

1:49:12year uh 2829. So, so again, I mean, I'm

1:49:15going to keep on pointing these out.

1:49:17I'll be a no on the final bill because

1:49:19we we don't know how we're paying for

1:49:20it. It's not like this is 5 years away.

1:49:22This is 2 years away. Uh, and we just

1:49:24got to start looking at this number

1:49:26which went down a little but it's about

1:49:28to go over 100 million again with how

1:49:30much uncommitted commit I'm sorry

1:49:33unbudgeted commitments we have made

1:49:36between DIA OED and now which is a

1:49:39growing number there the housing and

1:49:40community development division. Thank

1:49:42you.

1:49:45>> All right. No no no other speakers in

1:49:47the queue. Um Dr. Salem had to step out.

1:49:52So, we're on the Lannon substitute.

1:49:57All in favor of the landing.

1:50:02>> Yes, we're

1:50:12miss

1:50:16the chair of the committee. So, council

1:50:18member Landon had moved his amendment as

1:50:20a substitute per my request because it's

1:50:22a substantial change to the legislation,

1:50:25which was to add an appropriation of

1:50:26$2.8 million to fund this um 1.4 million

1:50:32coming from the capital stack and 1.4

1:50:33million coming from the housing utility

1:50:35tax fees.

1:50:37And that's a voice vote on that,

1:50:40>> right? And so if it if the substitute

1:50:43passes then it will be re-referred

1:50:46or will it move forward?

1:50:50>> Well, if the substitute passes, we the

1:50:52council auditors have a recommended

1:50:53amendment we would need to deal with

1:50:55next. So there are a few more steps. Um

1:50:56but ultimately I would ask that you

1:50:58re-refer it. Yes.

1:50:59>> Okay. I remember you saying something

1:51:01about re re-referring that. So we are on

1:51:04the Lannon substitute currently. So,

1:51:08this is a voice vote, but we're going to

1:51:10I'm going to do it by a raise of hands.

1:51:12So, all in favor of the land and

1:51:14substitute, raise your hand.

1:51:19Any opposed? Likewise.

1:51:21All right. So, the land and substitute

1:51:24fails.

1:51:27So, we are back on the bill as amended.

1:51:35Miss Carer.

1:51:38>> Yes. Thank you. Through the chair to the

1:51:40committee. We have an auditor

1:51:41recommended amendment on this bill. If

1:51:44you'd like, I would explain it.

1:51:47>> So, I get a motion on the I've got a

1:51:50motion to second on auditor's

1:51:51recommended amendment. Miss Carer, take

1:51:53it away.

1:51:54>> Through the chair to the committee. So,

1:51:56the agreement as filed includes a

1:51:58provision that limits the amount that

1:52:00can be distributed each year to the

1:52:02general partner or affiliates of the

1:52:04general partner to $500,000.

1:52:07Um, in previous agreements, we've seen a

1:52:10limit, the same language, but a limit

1:52:12that is an amount equal to 10% of the

1:52:15amount of the loan that the general

1:52:17partner is putting into the project. So,

1:52:19in order to make this agreement um

1:52:21consistent with the other agreements

1:52:23that council has approved for affordable

1:52:25housing development loans, we would

1:52:27recommend that you reduce that $500,000

1:52:30to a $280,000 annual limit.

1:52:37>> All right. Do I have a motion and in a

1:52:41second on the auditors?

1:52:46>> Yes, Mr. Steven.

1:52:48>> Sure. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Steve

1:52:49Debau, one independent drive, sweet 1200

1:52:51here on behalf of um developer. We I

1:52:53just wanted to say for the record that

1:52:55we support the auditor's amendment.

1:52:56Thank you.

1:53:00>> All right. No other speakers on the

1:53:03auditor's recommended amendments. All in

1:53:05favor say I. I. Any oppose? Likewise?

1:53:08None. The auditor's recommended

1:53:10amendment

1:53:12is moved forward so we can roll them up

1:53:15together.

1:53:16And so get a motion, a second on the

1:53:19bill as amended. So I've got a motion

1:53:22and a second on the bill as amended.

1:53:26No speakers in the queue. Open the

1:53:28ballot. Record your vote.

1:53:37>> Four yays, three nays.

1:53:39>> By your action, you've approved 2026

1:53:410752.

1:53:48Okay. All right. So then the the next

1:53:49item number 13, 2026 0756 is going to be

1:53:54deferred and council member, you're

1:53:55recognized.

1:53:56>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to

1:53:57note for the record, the rationale for

1:53:59this being deferred is not an issue with

1:54:01the bill by an oversight. It was not

1:54:03included in the neighborhoods in the

1:54:05last cycle. So we're deferring it in

1:54:07rules and finance so that it can be

1:54:09heard in neighborhoods, but fully

1:54:11expected to move forward. Thank you.

1:54:13>> All right. Thank you. Next item number

1:54:1514, 2026 0758. Can I get a motion on the

1:54:19bill?

1:54:20>> I've got a motion second on the bill. No

1:54:22speakers in the queue. Open the ballot

1:54:24and record your vote.

1:54:34>> Seven. Yay. Zero naysay.

1:54:35>> By your approved 2026 0758.

1:54:39Next item 15. 2026 0759. Get a motion on

1:54:43the bill.

1:54:45>> I've got a motion to second on the bill.

1:54:47No speakers in the queue. Open the

1:54:48ballot and record your vote.

1:54:55>> Seven yay, zero nays.

1:54:57>> By your action, you approve. 2026 0759.

1:55:00Item number 16, 2026 0760.

1:55:04Can get a motion on the bill? I've got a

1:55:07motion second on the bill. Open the

1:55:08ballot and record forge a vote.

1:55:15Seven yays, zero nazs.

1:55:17>> By your action to approve 2026 0760.

1:55:21Next item number 17, 2026 0761. Get a

1:55:25motion on the bill.

1:55:26>> Second.

1:55:26>> I've got a motion to second on the bill.

1:55:29No speakers in the queue. Open the

1:55:30ballot. Record your vote.

1:55:38Seven yays, zero Naz.

1:55:42>> By your action, you approve 2026 0761.

1:55:46Next item number 18, 2026 0762. Got a

1:55:50motion on the bill. I've got a motion

1:55:52and second on the bill. No speaker than

1:55:54the queue. Open the ballot. Record your

1:55:56vote.

1:56:04>> Seven yays, zero nazs. By your action,

1:56:05you approve 2026 0762.

1:56:08Next item number 19, 2026 0763. Get a

1:56:13motion on the bill.

1:56:15>> I've got a motion to second on the bill.

1:56:17No speakers in the queue. Open a ballot.

1:56:19Record your vote.

1:56:25>> Seven yays, zero ns.

1:56:26>> By your action, you approve. 2026 0763.

1:56:30Next item number 20, 2026 0764. and a

1:56:34motion on the bill.

1:56:35>> Second.

1:56:37>> I've got a motion, second on the bill.

1:56:38No speakers in the queue. Open a ballot.

1:56:41Record your vote.

1:56:47>> Seven yays, zero nazs.

1:56:48>> By your action, you approve. 2026 0764.

1:56:53Next item 21, we've taken action. 22,

1:56:56we've taken action. That takes us to

1:56:58item number 23. 2026 0772.

1:57:02Can I get a motion on the bill? Second.

1:57:04>> I've got a motion to second on the bill.

1:57:06No speakers in the queue. Open a ballot.

1:57:08Record your vote.

1:57:14>> Seven yays, zero nays.

1:57:15>> By your action, you approve. 2026 0772.

1:57:19Takes us to item number 24. 2026 0773.

1:57:24Can a motion on the withdrawal?

1:57:26>> I've got a motion to second on the

1:57:28withdrawal. No speakers in the queue.

1:57:30Open a ballot and record your vote.

1:57:37Seven yays, zero nays.

1:57:39>> By your action, you approve the

1:57:41withdrawal of 2026 0773.

1:57:44Item 25, we've taken action and takes us

1:57:47to item 26, 2026 0775. Got a motion on

1:57:51the bill.

1:57:52>> It got a motion second on the bill. No

1:57:55speakers in the queue. Open a ballot.

1:57:56Record your vote.

1:58:03Seven yays, zero nays.

1:58:04>> By your action, you approve 2026 0775.

1:58:07Item 27, we've taken action on item

1:58:11number 28, 2026 0778. Got a motion on

1:58:15the bill.

1:58:15>> The bill.

1:58:16>> I've got a motion, second on the bill.

1:58:19And Councilman Amaro, you're in the

1:58:20queue.

1:58:23>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh the uh sponsor

1:58:25is not here, but I'm just curious if um

1:58:28someone explained why we need to extend

1:58:31the deadline. Is there anyone

1:58:34administration?

1:58:39Go ahead.

1:58:42>> Through the chair to council member

1:58:44Amaro.

1:58:46On 16th September at the last HIC

1:58:49meeting, the um contracting consultant

1:58:52advised HIC that the draft of the

1:58:56five-year plan would be submitted

1:58:58midocctober. That actually came through

1:59:0114 October. Um 21 October this Wednesday

1:59:05will be the next HIC meeting. It is

1:59:07HIC's

1:59:08um recommendation that HIC hold at least

1:59:13two notice workshops on this draft so

1:59:16that the public and the providers can

1:59:19weigh in before it is transmitted to the

1:59:22neighborhood standing committee and it's

1:59:24also taking a little look at the fact of

1:59:27the holiday schedule as well coming up.

1:59:30The prior requests to extend were

1:59:32basically guesses. We now have the draft

1:59:35in hand and can get it done by by one

1:59:39February.

1:59:42>> All right, Council Member Pitman, you're

1:59:44recognized.

1:59:53>> I just wanted to let you know I will

1:59:54substain abstain from this this bill

1:59:57because I work with the homeless and my

1:59:59staff may apply. Thank you.

2:00:01>> All right. Thank you.

2:00:03No other speakers in the queue. Let's

2:00:05open a ballot and record your vote.

2:00:12>> Six yays, zero nays, one abstension.

2:00:15>> By your action, you approve. 2026 0778.

2:00:18That takes us to item number 29. 2026779

2:00:23is deferred due to planning commission.

2:00:25And the next items are on second. 2026 0

2:00:308 03 item number 31 2026 0804

2:00:36item number 32 2026 0805

2:00:45>> it's on second

2:00:55>> All right. So that item number 32 is on

2:00:58on second. So that takes us to item

2:01:00number 33 2026 0806

2:01:04is on second.

2:01:06And then we go to item number 34 2026

2:01:090807

2:01:12is on second. And I just want to pause

2:01:16here a second and to uh the the bill

2:01:19introduces on this. I'm getting a lot of

2:01:22emails and uh concerns about this here.

2:01:26I know it's got to go to the planning

2:01:27commission. It's probably uh a little

2:01:29bit longer processes, but I I just

2:01:32encourage to help get get with these the

2:01:36all these constituents to get these

2:01:39issues

2:01:40um rectified before we actually have to

2:01:43take it take it up in here. So with

2:01:46that, that takes us to item number 35,

2:01:492026809's

2:01:52on second.

2:01:53Item 36, 2026 0810 is on second.

2:01:59>> Yes, sir. Go ahead, Dr. Salem.

2:02:01>> Thank you. Uh, chair, on items 35 and

2:02:0536, we're going into the reserves to

2:02:08fund these things. Did these come up

2:02:10during the budget process,

2:02:12uh, and were not funded? I I'm just

2:02:15trying to understand here we are

2:02:16midocctober and we're dipping into the

2:02:19reserves for for for these things.

2:02:22Council member Lane, maybe you could

2:02:23help me

2:02:25>> through the chair to council Dr. Sam. I

2:02:27want to make it clear I'm not the bill

2:02:28sponsor.

2:02:29>> I understand.

2:02:29>> My understanding is that there is still

2:02:32some research. I know I talked uh

2:02:34because I had some questions at first

2:02:36that some of these may meet the

2:02:37countywide community benefit agreement

2:02:40obligation that we have. So that that's

2:02:42really all

2:02:44I can say for now, but no, these were

2:02:46not items that were brought up. Uh the

2:02:49wereworks one, I think potentially. I'd

2:02:52have to go through my notes, but no,

2:02:53they were not budgeted items at that

2:02:56>> through the chair. They still could have

2:02:58come could have come up during the

2:03:00budget process and gone towards the CBA

2:03:02as well

2:03:03>> through the chair or through the chair

2:03:05to Dr. Salem. Yes, as you know, anything

2:03:07can happen and is possible throughout

2:03:09the budget process.

2:03:10>> Thank you. I just was confused. Uh,

2:03:13Council Member Clark Murray.

2:03:18>> Thank you, Chair. I once again, I'm the

2:03:21newbie on the on the committee, so I'm

2:03:23going to ask this question. I I did

2:03:25second um 0825 because it doesn't have a

2:03:30second next to it. So, for consistent

2:03:33for consistency to legislative services,

2:03:36shouldn't the second be right next to it

2:03:39or

2:03:40>> It is on our It is

2:03:44It is seconded on yours, but it's it's

2:03:46not second on my there isn't a second

2:03:48next to it on mine. That's why it's in

2:03:49my list. So,

2:03:51>> is it on second?

2:03:56>> So, we had mentioned it earlier. 80025.

2:04:02>> You have it on second.

2:04:13805. Okay. My mistake. Okay. Thank you.

2:04:20>> Okay. All right. So, we are now on item

2:04:23number 37 2026 0812

2:04:28is on second. And

2:04:33and that takes us to item number 38.

2:04:402026 0813

2:04:43is on second.

2:04:46Item number 39 2026 0815 is on second.

2:04:51Item number 40 2026 0816

2:04:56is on second.

2:05:01And then item number 41 2026 0817 is on

2:05:06second. And the these following item

2:05:09bill numbers are on second. 2026 0818

2:05:150819

2:05:160820

2:05:180821

2:05:210822

2:05:230823

2:05:260. Next page 0824.

2:05:30And then that takes us to item number 49

2:05:322026 0825. I've got a motion in a second

2:05:36on the bill. No speakers in the queue.

2:05:38Open the ballot.

2:05:40>> Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Council Council

2:05:42Member Clark Murray.

2:05:43>> All right. Thank you, Chair. I just want

2:05:44to be a co-sponsor.

2:05:47>> Miss Pit.

2:05:48>> All right.

2:05:50>> We got a

2:05:53just

2:05:54>> Yeah. Council

2:05:58council amendment.

2:06:01All right. So, no speakers in the queue.

2:06:06Open a ballot. Record your vote.

2:06:12>> Seven yays, zero nays.

2:06:14>> By your action, you approve. 2026

2:06:170825.

2:06:18The next item number 50. 2026 0826 is on

2:06:22second. That takes us to item number 51.

2:06:242026 0827.

2:06:27I got I got a motion to second on the

2:06:29bill. Miss Clark Murray, you're

2:06:31recognized.

2:06:33>> Simply add me as a co-sponsor. Thank

2:06:34you.

2:06:38>> All right. Have we got all the metos?

2:06:42All right.

2:06:44So, no speaker than the queue. Open a

2:06:46ballot. Record your vote.

2:06:53>> Seven yays. zero.

2:06:54>> By your action, you approve 2026827

2:06:58takes it to item number 52, 2026 0828

2:07:02and a motion on the bill.

2:07:03>> Second.

2:07:04>> I got a motion second on the bill.

2:07:07Council member Boulder, you're

2:07:08recognized.

2:07:10>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to be

2:07:11added as a co-sponsor. Carol's a dear

2:07:12friend from a long time. She used to

2:07:14refer to me with some contention as her

2:07:17older brother from another mother.

2:07:20>> We all have them. So, Councilman Maro,

2:07:24you're recognized.

2:07:25>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Please add me as

2:07:27well.

2:07:30>> All right. No other speakers in the

2:07:32queue. Open a ballet and record your

2:07:33vote.

2:07:40>> Seven. Yay. Zero Naz.

2:07:41>> By your action approved. 2026828.

2:07:45Next item number 53. 2026 0829. Get a

2:07:48motion on the bill.

2:07:50I've got a motion to second on the bill.

2:07:53No speakers in the queue. Open a ballot.

2:07:54Record your vote.

2:07:58>> Legislative services.

2:08:05>> Seven. Yay. Zero Naz.

2:08:07>> By your action to approve 2026 0829.

2:08:11Next item number 54 2026 0830.

2:08:16>> I've got a motion and a second on the

2:08:18bill. Council member Clark Murray.

2:08:19You're recognized.

2:08:21>> Thank you. Legislative services, please

2:08:22add me as a co-sponsor.

2:08:27>> All right. No other speaker in the

2:08:29queue. Open a ballot. Record your vote.

2:08:38>> Seven yay, zero nays.

2:08:40>> By your action approved. 2026 08

2:08:4430. Next items on second. 2026 0832.

2:08:49And that takes us to the end of our

2:08:51agenda. And Mr. Bolan, you're

2:08:52recognized.

2:08:54>> Thank you, Mr. I I asked my colleague or

2:08:57my ECA to pass out to you a list of the

2:08:59balances for discretionary funds. This

2:09:02is from the safe streets initiative. It

2:09:04wasn't being taken up in this in this

2:09:05committee, but it's on three other

2:09:06committees. Just want to make sure all

2:09:08of you are aware what funds are

2:09:09available. Uh what 755 does essentially

2:09:12allows at the discretion of the city

2:09:14council members to use your uh traffic

2:09:17calming funding uh to for the purposes

2:09:20of buying and or the purchase of an

2:09:22installation of speed limit signs for

2:09:25ebikes on sidewalks. Uh it was an issue

2:09:27that as you recall JSO had some concern

2:09:30with and the this provides council

2:09:32members a latitude of utilizing those

2:09:34funds for that purpose.

2:09:37>> All right, no other speakers in the

2:09:38queue. I don't see anybody here.

2:09:44>> As I said, no other speakers in the

2:09:46queue.

2:09:48>> We are adjourned.