2026-10-19 - NCSPHS

00:03Welcome everyone to the October 19th

00:06Neighborhoods, Community Services,

00:08Public Health and Safety Committee

00:10meeting.

00:11And we'll get started with

00:13introductions.

00:15Just on Just in time, Mr. Delaney.

00:19>> Good afternoon. Good afternoon, Bill

00:21Delaney, Mayor's office.

00:23>> Brendan Russell, Council Research.

00:25>> Mary Stepopoulos, Office of General

00:26Counsel.

00:27>> Heather Reber, Council Auditor's office.

00:30>> Good afternoon, Monet Holder, at large

00:32group one.

00:34>> Good afternoon, Matt Carlucci, at large

00:35group four.

00:37>> Good afternoon, Tywanna Clark Murray,

00:39District 9.

00:41>> Hello, Chris Miller, at large group

00:42five.

00:44>> Good afternoon, everybody. Kevin

00:45Carrico, District 4.

00:47>> Ron Salem, group two at large.

00:50>> Good afternoon, everyone. Tommy Poluso,

00:51District 7.

00:54>> All right.

00:56Do we have any public comment cards?

01:01Not sure where of I I see somebody

01:04shuffling for one.

01:06Do you have one, Mr. Oliver?

01:08Oh, okay.

01:12I saw you I saw you there, so I figured

01:13I better ask, make sure.

01:16All right, thank you.

01:18All right, Mr. Oliver, your name and

01:21address for the record, please, and

01:23floor is yours.

01:24>> All right, my name is Carnell Oliver.

01:26Address is on file. 2026

01:29065.

01:31Um

01:32the more I tap into the 1860

01:356 Civil Rights Act

01:37and some of the information I'm able to

01:39process and analyze coming from the

01:42Human Rights Commission, if there's one

01:44area that I can tap in to make this city

01:47fall in compliance with this law, it's

01:49through housing.

01:51We're protected class.

01:54And the thing about it is with this

01:55hundred billion dollars.

01:58I really don't care too much for the

02:01mayor

02:02putting a bond out there on the streets

02:04because the lessons that I've learned

02:06being in D- DC is that when the Biden

02:09administration ran scared going towards

02:11the election, they made a big enough

02:14mess

02:15that

02:17Trump had to come and clean up behind.

02:20I'm not in favor of putting a hundred

02:22million dollars out there on the street

02:24or it may be a hundred billion.

02:26Out there on the streets to finance new

02:28home ownership. She's running scared.

02:31She's trying to buy votes.

02:34That's how I look at it because that's

02:36what I saw what the Biden administration

02:38did when they let all them immigrants

02:39into this country. They pissed off their

02:42traditional voting base.

02:44>> Yeah, but

02:45um Mr. Oliver, if you just watch your

02:47language, I'd appreciate it. Thank you.

02:49>> And the thing about it is is that we're

02:51going to put some money out there on the

02:52street. I'd rather put at least a lower

02:55capital number of maybe 25 million

02:57dollars and it's tied to those that fall

02:59underneath the 1866 Civil Rights Act.

03:02That's too much money. She's trying to

03:04bribe too many people.

03:08Because that's the only way they can do.

03:10They can spend their way out of trouble

03:12that they already created for

03:13themselves.

03:16And it is what it is.

03:18This is probably by far the worst

03:20administration I have ever seen besides

03:22Alvin Brown. I campaigned for Alvin

03:25Brown.

03:26And you cannot tell me I don't support

03:28black people. You cannot tell me that I

03:30don't support women. But when you put a

03:33BS administration like this together

03:37and you fumble the ball the way you have

03:40and you think I'm not going to attack

03:41you

03:42and drag you drag you

03:45>> Mr. Oliver, if you could get back I I

03:47noticed you were on 20260765

03:50bill there for a while. If you could get

03:53back on that bill, that'd be great.

03:54>> The building itself is garbage.

03:57Either Either you lower the threshold to

03:59maybe 5 million,

04:02I'll be comfortable and target the money

04:03towards those that fall underneath the

04:051866 Civil Rights Act. This is a

04:08catch-all to try to get voters for next

04:10year's election.

04:12And it's garbage.

04:14I have never been as frustrated as I

04:16ever been with an administration with a

04:18council. This has been probably the

04:20worst I've ever seen it.

04:23>> All right, thank you, sir. No other

04:25public comment cards. We'll go to the

04:28top of the order and just work our way

04:30through. No No visiting council members

04:32or other items that I'm aware of to move

04:35up front. If there are, please let me

04:37know before we start into it. Is there

04:39anything we need to need to move up that

04:41anybody's aware of?

04:44Okay.

04:45All right, we'll we'll start page two,

04:48item number one, 2024-0966

04:52is deferred to request of Council Member

04:54Carrico. Item two, 2025-0361

04:58is deferred to request of Council Member

04:59White. Item three, 2026-0227

05:03is deferred to request of Council Member

05:04Diamond.

05:06Item four, 2026-0320

05:08is deferred to request of Council Member

05:10White. And item five, 2026-0377

05:14is deferred as we're at the request of

05:16Council Member Johnson.

05:18Item six, 2026-0672.

05:22May I have a motion on the withdrawal?

05:25We have a motion. Do we have a second?

05:27>> Second.

05:28>> We have a motion and second on

05:29withdrawal.

05:31Um no one in the queue. Please open the

05:34ballot and record your vote.

05:39>> 7 yes, 0 nays.

05:41>> By your actions, you've withdrawn

05:422026-0672.

05:46Item number 7, 202060677

05:49is deferred to request of council member

05:51Matt Carlucci.

05:54Item number 8, 202060749.

05:58May I have a motion?

06:05Yes.

06:09>> The through the chair to the auditors,

06:12do you need me to move the auditors

06:14concern or can we just go to the

06:17>> Yeah, we want to move the bill and

06:19second it first if we could.

06:21>> Okay, so

06:22>> Okay, we have a motion second on the

06:24bill.

06:25Um yes, and so we'll go to the auditor

06:28concern here. If you if you would

06:30explain that, please. I'd appreciate it.

06:32And I think the COO is here for

06:36uh the zoo cuz I think we'll have a

06:37couple questions.

06:39>> Um through the chair to the committee,

06:40uh we just note notated an auditor

06:42concern that

06:44if the zoo

06:46fails to provide adequate evidence of

06:48the expenditure of the matching funds of

06:50the 12 million and they um get this 4

06:53million and and spend that, we have the

06:56only recourse we have to get those

06:58verified documents to to verify their

07:01cost would be to sue for specific

07:04performance. Cuz once they get the 4

07:06million, the contract's

07:08done and all the funds have already been

07:10dispersed.

07:12>> And and I guess the

07:14the question was regarding this 4

07:17million

07:18is it correct that

07:21they're supposed to provide evidence of

07:24an expenditure of the matching

07:27uh for the matching funds before the 4

07:30million is issued. Is that the

07:31agreement?

07:32>> Um through the chair to the committee

07:35the this bill will allow them to

07:38receive those 4 million in funds

07:41the last tranche of funding before they

07:43provide documentation on that 12 million

07:46the matching funds. The last amendment

07:49was to provide them advanced funds of 12

07:51million and then before they receive

07:53that 4 million they needed to provide

07:55documentation on matching funds of that

07:5712 million which I believe

08:00through public works they have provided

08:02documentation on that 12 million but I

08:05don't think it was for this specific

08:06phase of improvements. So I think

08:09there's

08:10some disconnect on what documentation we

08:12do have

08:14for that 12 million.

08:16>> Um would anybody from public works or or

08:19the zoo

08:21like to comment on that please? I just

08:23want to make sure we all know what it is

08:26we already have compared to what the

08:29agreement was that was entered into

08:32said.

08:35>> Good afternoon. My name is Jeff Etland.

08:37I'm the president and CEO of the

08:38Jacksonville Zoo.

08:40>> Uh Steve Henry, COO of Jacksonville Zoo.

08:43>> Um

08:44to the to the question about the 4

08:46million

08:47we probably a little over a year ago

08:49came and requested that years 3, 4, and

08:515 which was the last 12 million

08:54be forwarded so that we could finish the

08:56the current build that was completed in

08:58March March early March of this year.

09:01Um

09:02we've spent we've spent the 4 million

09:04that were that was in the budget for

09:06this year has been spent already as part

09:08of that project. Um we're we're we've

09:11got a loan right now that we're paying

09:12on to for that and that's why we're

09:15requesting bringing the 4 million

09:17forward. Um

09:19we've already raised 2.2 that we'll be

09:21able through restricted funds that we'll

09:23be able to show the money coming in. We

09:26will still be able to meet the 5-year

09:29match that was originally in the

09:31original contract that over 5 years we

09:33would we would meet our match of 12

09:35million. dollars. still on track to meet

09:37that 12 million and we'll be able to

09:39show that through funds coming in and

09:41going into our restricted fund.

09:43>> But if I understand what you just said

09:45correctly, you aren't able to show the 4

09:47million that that is what we're

09:50considering today.

09:52>> Correct.

09:53>> Well, that's that's correct. You know,

09:54what the amendment that we just proposed

09:56was to bring that 4 million forward and

09:58we would not we would continue to raise

10:01to match that over the next 5 years and

10:03we wouldn't come back for another

10:05installment of 20 or 25 million,

10:07whatever it might be, until we had met

10:09that 12 million match.

10:10>> Okay, thank you.

10:11Thank you for that. Um, we'll go to the

10:14the queue. We have three three members

10:17in the queue. We'll we'll go first to

10:20uh Vice Chair Clark Murray, you're

10:21recognized.

10:25>> Thank you, Chair. So, through the Chair

10:27to the gentleman representing the zoo.

10:29Good morning, good afternoon to you. So,

10:32you said you raised 2.2. Is that 2.2

10:34million? What is it? 2.2 what?

10:36>> So, our next project will be education

10:39was part of the, you know, the approved

10:40if we look at like

10:42the timeline for rejuvenation projects,

10:44we're already raising money cuz we've

10:46already completed the front entry and

10:48and manatee project which was

10:50>> Yes, but you were I'm sorry to

10:51interrupt, but you said you've already

10:53raised a certain amount. You said 2. But

10:55you didn't give like a what? 2.2

10:58thousand? What is it?

10:59>> 2.2 million.

10:59>> 2.2 million, okay. And so, the

11:02documentation, getting back to the

11:04auditor's concern,

11:05>> Yep.

11:05>> the documentation

11:07of what you've raised this far, where is

11:10it? Have you submitted it to public

11:12works? Because that's their concern.

11:14Where's the documentation?

11:15>> submitted so far was projects that we

11:17finished. I think there's about 750,000

11:19of that that looks like it's going to be

11:21counted towards that already.

11:22>> To whom?

11:22>> To public works.

11:23>> Okay.

11:24>> The other money that we've raised is

11:25just uh either through a contract uh

11:28with uh outside entity or a donor that

11:30is in restricted funds through our

11:32finance department.

11:33>> Okay, thank you so much for that. Miss

11:34Sickler, if you would come forward.

11:37Thank you, gentlemen. If you would just

11:39move to the side and so let Miss Sickler

11:40come to the

11:42microphone. And so, Miss Reber, I am I'm

11:44through the chair I'm going to say that

11:46you can chime in at any time to get the

11:48answer that you need in order to

11:51satisfy the auditors.

11:54Good morning Good afternoon, Miss

11:55Sickler. Go ahead and introduce

11:56yourself.

11:57>> Good afternoon. Nina Sickler, Public

11:58Works.

11:59>> Okay. So, the the gentleman here said

12:00that they presented documentation of

12:03what has taken place thus far to Public

12:05Works. Can you verify that they have

12:07done that?

12:08>> Yes, that's correct. They have done

12:10that. Um there are reasons that they're

12:12here in terms of their match and when

12:14you're ready I can describe some of

12:16those reasons.

12:18>> You may do so.

12:18>> Okay, great. So, um they have provided

12:21uh

12:22a good documentation regarding their

12:23match. The challenge was the the the way

12:26that the scope of the project was

12:28written originally versus what it was

12:30revised to in amendment seven. So, what

12:33I mean by that is in amendment seven,

12:35the scope of the project was expanded to

12:37include additional elements. And um but

12:41the match dollars that they were showing

12:42were before that amendment. So, um

12:45because the match that they're showing

12:47didn't match the scope of the of work

12:49earlier on, our goal is to have the

12:53definition of that match expanded um and

12:56then they'll be in in actually good

12:57position with the way that their match

12:59has been presented to us. But we can't

13:01approve it now because they've they're

13:02showing work that was done towards the

13:05project, but it didn't match the scope

13:07of the work that was defined in the

13:08legislation originally.

13:09>> Oh, okay. I understand. All right, thank

13:11you so much for that. Um Chair, Miss

13:13Reber, if you are you satisfied?

13:17Mr. Linsky.

13:20>> Uh through chair to Councilwoman

13:22Clark-Murray, um in order for Public

13:24Works to be able to accept the support

13:26and do the validation that's necessary.

13:28The definition of what can be those

13:32funds can be spent on needs to be

13:34expanded to include any activity that

13:37would be approved for the project. So

13:39the project's laid out in various phases

13:41over several years. Um it's our

13:43understanding that the 12 million as

13:46well as the additional funding that may

13:47be associated with this new money might

13:50span multiple phases. And so by relaxing

13:53the requirement on what those the 12

13:56million could be used for would allow

13:58them to proceed forward.

14:01>> So thank you for that Mr. Lensky through

14:03the chair. So we don't need to amend

14:05anything what is that what we're doing

14:07now will satisfy

14:09the

14:10the requirement that you just spoke of.

14:12>> Uh through the chair to Councilwoman

14:14Clark-Murray, no someone would need to

14:16propose an amendment to expand the

14:18definition of the 12 million dollar

14:20match as well as if they were intending

14:23to proceed forward with pulling down the

14:254 million now before finalizing the

14:28match with the 12 million. That's the

14:30amendment that's being

14:32presented to you as the bill introduced.

14:33So you have the amendment as introduced

14:36to allow them to pull down now on the 4

14:38million as well as an additional

14:41amendment that would need to be proposed

14:43to relax the usage on the 12 million.

14:46>> All right, thank you so much for that.

14:47Through the chair to Mr. Populous. Are

14:50we at a position now to do to add that

14:54additional amendment or do we need to

14:55wait at another point?

14:57>> Through the chair to Councilmember

14:58Clark-Murray, so you can propose that

15:00amendment but we would need to know what

15:02the relaxed definition is.

15:04I don't know what that is.

15:06>> Thank you.

15:07>> I can answer that question for OGC,

15:09sorry. Through the chair to

15:11OGC,

15:13it would be any phase as approved in the

15:15seventh amendment. So there are total I

15:17believe of nine phases. It would need to

15:19be inclusive of all those phases in

15:22order to proceed forward.

15:25>> You know, this is through the chair,

15:27this is a wonderful Monday. I'm telling

15:29you, this is a little complicated, but

15:31uh Mr. Pappas, I'm sure you're

15:33processing that.

15:35>> Through the chair to Council Member

15:36Clark-Morris, so if you were so inclined

15:37to offer that amendment, so you could

15:39move an amendment to provide that the

15:41$12 million match could be applicable to

15:44any phase of the development.

15:46>> So moved.

15:49>> All right, we have a motion second on

15:51the proposed amendment um extending over

15:56all phases of the project. Um we have a

15:59we have three people in the queue on the

16:02amendment.

16:03Okay, we'll we'll go next to Past

16:05President Salem. You're recognized.

16:07>> Thank you, Chair. I'm trying to get an

16:09understanding of

16:11before that amendment was made, there

16:13was $12 million.

16:15I'm through the chair to Ms. Reber, if I

16:17can.

16:19And there was an understanding that

16:22their expenses needed to match that

16:24particular phase.

16:27Who went sideways in this? Did they

16:29expand

16:31um

16:32the project and used it for other

16:34things? I I mean, I want to understand

16:37exactly what went wrong and why we're

16:40amending this

16:41um

16:43versus holding them accountable for the

16:46original process.

16:49I don't have necessarily have a big

16:50problem with it, but but I I just think

16:52we need to understand exactly what went

16:54wrong.

16:56>> Through the chair to Council Member

16:58Salem, um

17:00the sixth amendment provided that the

17:03$12 million could be advanced to them.

17:06They were to provide $12 million in

17:08matching funds against that advance to

17:10show

17:12that they had matched those funds before

17:14they could get to the $4 million.

17:17So, they would provide evidence of

17:19matching dollars spent against the

17:20advanced amount on a quarterly basis

17:22until that full match amount has been

17:24met.

17:24>> Can I stop you there? They're not able

17:27to do that.

17:29>> I believe they have provided

17:30documentation

17:32for the 12 million match, but it wasn't

17:35for

17:36a particular phase that the 12 million

17:39dollars was to go towards. It was

17:41They're matching dollars spent for other

17:45phases listed in this contract.

17:48>> Is that correct? You're nodding your

17:50head quickly.

17:52Why did you do that? Why didn't you

17:55stick with the original 12 million to 12

17:58million versus expanding it to other

18:00phases?

18:01>> Yeah, well well we obviously spent the

18:0312 million to finish the front entry

18:04amenity. All that money was directed at

18:06that project. That was the that where we

18:08needed the funding.

18:10To be completely open and transparent,

18:12none of us caught the fact of the the 12

18:15million with the four million before we

18:17could tap the last four because the

18:19reality is the only reason we were

18:21asking for years three, four, and and

18:23five in advance was that we had 17

18:25million still to finish and this project

18:28was on task, you know, to be finished at

18:30the end of last year. And that's where

18:33all the funds went was to finish that

18:35project at 71 and a half million

18:37dollars. The other projects that are

18:39outlined that we spent money on are

18:40things that are following after that

18:43that were improvements to the grounds We

18:45expanded on the terminology of what's in

18:47there. We didn't change the phase, so to

18:49speak. It was more definition to what

18:53was going to be included there, which

18:55included upgrades across our entire

18:57campus, which are 100 100 year over 100

18:59years old. So,

19:01that's what we we turned in was things

19:03that were

19:04part of the rejuvenation campaign and

19:06are approved as future improvements to

19:08the zoo with this being finished moving

19:10forward.

19:11>> But that makes sense.

19:11>> Through the chair, you don't have 12

19:13million match under the original

19:191 through 6 amendments. Is that correct?

19:21>> That's correct.

19:22>> Yeah.

19:23>> You have to you you're applying stuff on

19:26amendment 7 etc. to get to the 12

19:29million.

19:29>> That's correct.

19:30>> You recognize the problem.

19:31>> Yes, I do.

19:32>> Okay.

19:33>> Yep.

19:33>> Okay. Now, let's get to the

19:36my understanding. I'm slow here. Let me

19:38understand the the 4 million now.

19:41The 4 million is to be released once

19:45they show the match to the 12 million.

19:49It

19:50Correct? Is that correct, Ms. Green?

19:51>> Through the chair to Council Member

19:52Salem, that is correct.

19:54>> Okay. Now, from what I'm hearing from

19:56them, they've already spent the 4

19:59million out of their own Apparently,

20:01they've borrowed the money

20:03on the

20:04to finish that phase and they're paying

20:06interest on those dollars presently, and

20:09I would understand, similar to JTA, that

20:13you want to get out of that

20:15uh and and pay it off as quick as you

20:17can so you don't pay any more interest.

20:19Is that an accurate description of the

20:21problem?

20:21>> Through the chair to Council Member

20:23Salem, and that's why this bill has been

20:24filed so they can get the 4 million.

20:27>> Okay. So, we just have to expand the

20:29scope as

20:31uh my good friend

20:32Council Member Clark Murray has stated

20:35um to allow the 12 million and at the

20:38same time release the 4 million.

20:40>> That is correct.

20:41>> Okay.

20:44Thank you.

20:46>> Thank you. Um any We have We have three

20:49on the queue. Anyone on the amendment?

20:53Yes. So, um

20:56Past President Carlucci, are you on the

20:57amendment? You're the next one in the

20:58queue.

21:00>> I think I am.

21:01>> Okay.

21:04>> Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. Where Where's

21:06the city money coming in coming from?

21:13>> Through the chair to Council member

21:14Carruci, this was in the CIP so it's in

21:17budgeted through debt.

21:18>> Okay.

21:19Well, I'm for the amendment. I'm for the

21:21bill.

21:22And let's let the zoo be the zoo. And

21:25uh, they do a great job out there. And

21:27it's one of the places that so many of

21:29our children and school children get to

21:31enjoy.

21:33And

21:34um

21:35And uh, there there there may be some

21:38may be some um

21:40issues with which came first. Um, in in

21:44in in what order that things didn't get

21:47done in.

21:48I would not I I understand what uh

21:51um

21:52my my friend Councilman Salem is saying.

21:56Although I wouldn't compare to the JTA.

21:57I don't think I'd compare anything to

21:59the JTA.

22:00God bless America. And I wouldn't I

22:02wouldn't compare the JTA to the darn JEA

22:07back in

22:08um

22:09um

22:10that JEA bill that took place in

22:13um

22:14the first uh

22:15term before this.

22:17But um

22:19But anyway, I'm going to support the

22:21amendment. I'm going to support the

22:22bill. And I want the zoo to leave the

22:25confines of City Hall.

22:27And uh

22:28and

22:30uh and and get get there advance their

22:32work because this is one of the great

22:35quality of life issues for Jacksonville.

22:37And y'all do a super job out there.

22:39>> [clears throat]

22:39>> Uh, my grandkids, they love the the dag

22:42on zoo. I'm trying to keep from cussing.

22:45Uh, but you know, um

22:47at some point, you know, we we like to

22:49talk about running the city like a

22:51business. So that means we have to be

22:53accountable.

22:54Which I am all for.

22:56But there are times when

22:58um

22:58I don't like to see us continually

23:00getting around going around our elbow to

23:02get to her thumb, I want to see some

23:03results.

23:05So, I want y'all to get to the results

23:07part of it and

23:09and keep doing what you're doing. We

23:11don't ever get any bad reports on the

23:13zoo that I know of

23:14and so I appreciate what y'all do and

23:18folks, I'm going to support this

23:20amendment, I'm going to support the bill

23:22and let's move on, get out of here.

23:23Thank

23:23>> Yeah, but please let's move on.

23:25Going to Council member Pollitzer,

23:27you're recognized.

23:28>> Thank you, Chair. Through the Chair, I

23:29just want to make sure you guys are

23:30comfortable with the amendment.

23:32You are comfortable with the amendment?

23:33All right, cool. Let's let's vote it up

23:34and and move forward.

23:35>> Okay, and last is count but not least is

23:38Council member Holder.

23:40>> Thank you. Through the Chair, just a

23:42point of clarification. Does this

23:44amendment remove the

23:47requirement for reporting the match and

23:51if so, if it doesn't, will it still have

23:52to happen on a quarterly basis and is it

23:55just for the 12 million still or now for

23:56the additional 4 million?

23:59>> Through the Chair to Council member

24:01Holder, they would still have to provide

24:02matching

24:03documentation for the 12 million million

24:06and the 4 million, so that's still

24:07required.

24:10>> Thank you.

24:12All those in favor of the amendment,

24:14please signify by saying I.

24:16All those opposed, no. The amendment

24:18passes.

24:21We have motion second on the bill as

24:23amended. Seeing no one in the queue,

24:24please open the ballot and record your

24:26vote.

24:31>> Seven yeas, zero nays.

24:33>> By your action, you've approved 20260749

24:38We go next to item nine, 20260751.

24:43May have a motion on the bill, please?

24:47We have motion

24:48and a second on the bill.

24:51Um

24:52no one in the queue, please open the

24:53ballot and record your vote.

25:02>> 7 A's, 0 Nays.

25:04>> By reaction, you approved 20260751,

25:08item 10. 20260752,

25:11looking for a motion on the rules

25:13amendment.

25:15We have a motion and second on the rules

25:16amendment. Um, Ms. Reber, would you

25:18please explain the rules amendment?

25:21>> The rules amendment will correct the

25:23extension language in the bill to make

25:25it consistent with the contract for a

25:2612-month extension.

25:28Um, place revised agreement on file to

25:30revise the general partner annual

25:32distribution limit from 500,000 to

25:35280,000,

25:37which is uh 10% of the general partner's

25:39loan and consistent with other

25:41contracts,

25:42and correct scrivener's errors.

25:45>> Okay, thank you.

25:47Um,

25:48Councilmember Pizzo, are you on the

25:50amendment?

25:51>> Not so much on the amendment, on the

25:52bill.

25:53>> Okay.

25:54Um, all those in favor with the

25:55amendment, please signify by saying I.

25:58All those opposed, no. The rules

26:00amendment passes.

26:03We have a motion and second on the bill

26:04as amended. Councilmember Pizzo, you're

26:06recognized.

26:07>> Thank you, Chair. Yeah, I just wanted to

26:08see, uh, through the Chair to

26:10possibly, uh,

26:12anyone in housing,

26:13um, what are the

26:15what's the AMI here? Is it 80% AMI, 60%

26:17AMI?

26:19Is it 60 for all of them?

26:23For all 180?

26:24Understood. Very supportive. Thank you.

26:27>> We'll go next to, um,

26:30Vice Chair Clerk Murray, you're

26:31recognized.

26:32>> Thank you, Chair.

26:34We had the same bill in rules this

26:37morning, and part of my concern, and and

26:40why I voted against it was basically

26:43amendment three, which is looming.

26:46But I've also had an opportunity to look

26:48a little more into the funding and where

26:50the funding source is, and this is we're

26:52looking at a loan. So, with that being

26:54said and looking at another time frame,

26:56I'm going to change my vote today. I am

26:59going to support it.

27:01Somebody's saying yay, okay. All right.

27:03So, and once again, we could always use

27:05more affordable housing. Thank you,

27:07chair.

27:08>> All right, thank you.

27:11Anyone else?

27:14Since no one else in the queue, I I

27:16didn't uh wasn't able to

27:20listen to the discussion this morning,

27:21but but the gist that I took away was um

27:26an attempt which I support, I fully

27:28support um as was mentioned, we have a

27:31lot of things looming that could impact

27:34our

27:35uh

27:36finances and so anytime we can

27:39identify a funding source

27:42um or ensure that there's a requirement

27:46to associate future requirements, in

27:49this case I think FY 28-29, with

27:53a um budget

27:55submittal, a requirement, uh and nail

27:58that down, um I think all the better,

28:01rather than leaving it open, approving

28:03it, and then leaving it open to figure

28:05it out later. Um I know that's my loose

28:08way of interpreting that, but I but I I

28:11applaud

28:12the concept and the idea that was

28:15explored extensively this morning in

28:18rules.

28:19Um I do I really do and I think we need

28:21to go more in that direction.

28:23Um so, that's that's my concern here. Um

28:28the administration, I I guess that's

28:30that's maybe one way I can come at this.

28:33Given there wasn't a funding source

28:35identified through this process,

28:38um

28:40would the intent be

28:43to ensure this is included in the

28:45budget? I know we made a requirement in

28:48a couple of other areas to ensure like

28:51completion grants that they were in fact

28:54included in the budget proposal.

28:57Would this be would you this be looked

28:59at in the same way by the administration

29:02regarding the intent to make sure

29:05it's it's covered. It's not something we

29:07have to figure out.

29:09>> Uh to the chair, yeah, that is the goal

29:11is that we would incorporate it into the

29:13budget of the year that it's anticipated

29:16to reach the the substantial completion.

29:19Um

29:21the reason that we're not identifying

29:23something now is the substantial

29:26completion is

29:28a couple years down the road. And so if

29:30we were to identify money now, it would

29:32be

29:33uh the

29:352 million and and change just sitting in

29:38a pot

29:40until it was ready. But no, we're we're

29:43absolutely intending to include in the

29:44budget process, loop all of y'all in

29:47for that, you know, the in the year that

29:49it's coming. I uh

29:51don't have my

29:52uh good glasses, so I can't see which

29:54year it's supposed to be. Um I can get

29:56the answer for you, but

29:58>> I think it's 2029. Is that correct? Yes,

30:01I'm hearing or I'm seeing nodding that

30:03that's correct, 2029. Okay, thank you.

30:06That's that's very helpful to me.

30:08Um we'll next go to past President

30:10Carlucci, you're recognized.

30:15>> Uh thank you.

30:17Where is this located at?

30:22District 5. Where in District 5?

30:26>> Um through the chair to Councilmember

30:27Carlucci, on the corner of San Diego

30:31and I

30:32Spring Park.

30:34>> Okay. And uh

30:36where are the dollars coming from?

30:41>> Through the chair to Councilmember so

30:43there's no appropriation in this

30:44legislation. So when the dollars would

30:46become due, it's subject to a future

30:48appropriation, which as we discussed was

30:50going to be in fiscal year 2028-2029.

30:53So whether it's in the proposed budget

30:54or through separate legislation, funding

30:57funding source would have to be

30:58identified at that time.

31:00>> So

31:01if amendment three passes, maybe

31:03we go up to Tallahassee with hat in hand

31:05and see see they want to give us some

31:06money, huh?

31:07>> You can go up to Tallahassee with hat in

31:09hand with or without amendment three.

31:11It's the same thing.

31:11>> Yeah, yeah, cuz you know

31:13uh

31:14Yeah, well, hopefully that

31:18thing doesn't pass.

31:19And uh

31:21Okay, well, we need affordable housing.

31:22I'll support it. Thank you.

31:24>> I thank you.

31:25Any anyone else?

31:28Okay, uh seeing none

31:32um

31:33Yeah, we've we've got it passed with as

31:36amended. So please open the ballot and

31:38record your vote.

31:44>> Seven Ayes, zero Nays.

31:48>> By your actions, you've approved

31:4920260752

31:52as amended.

31:54We'll go next to page eight, item number

31:5711, 20260753.

32:00>> On the amendment?

32:01>> Yeah, we have motion second on the

32:03amendment. Uh Ms. Reva, would you please

32:06explain the amendment?

32:07>> Through the chair to the committee, the

32:08amendment will correct the appropriation

32:10fiscal year, attach revised exhibit one,

32:12which is the BT to uh correct account an

32:15account name, and attach the ship

32:17disbursement schedule to be um in a

32:20compliance with the municipal code.

32:22>> Okay, thank you. All those in favor of

32:24the amendment, please

32:25signify by saying aye. All those

32:27opposed, no. Um the amendment passes. Um

32:31is this on the amendment? Um

32:33Okay. Um

32:36So

32:39do we have a motion on the bill as

32:41amended?

32:42>> Move the bill as amended.

32:44>> We have motion second on the bill as

32:45amended. Vice Chair Clark-Murray, you're

32:47recognized.

32:48>> Thank you, Chair. I simply want to be

32:49added as a co-sponsor.

32:52>> Okay, thank you.

32:54Seeing no one else in the queue, please

32:56open the ballot and record your vote.

33:04>> Seven yeas, zero nays.

33:05>> By your action, you've approved

33:072026-0753

33:09as amended. Item 12, 2026-0755.

33:14We have motion second on the amendment.

33:17Miss Reber, please explain the

33:18amendment.

33:20>> Through the chair to the committee, the

33:21amendment will include a reference to

33:23ordinance 2025-186

33:25that also appropriated funds to the

33:27traffic calming and traffic safety

33:28improvements.

33:31>> Thank you. Seeing no one in the queue,

33:33all those in favor of the amendment,

33:34please signify by saying aye.

33:36>> Aye.

33:37>> All those opposed, no.

33:38The amendment passes.

33:41We have motion second on the bill as

33:43amended.

33:44Anyone

33:46in the queue? I'll just say real

33:47quickly, um this just makes sense to me.

33:50So, I I applaud

33:52um Councilmember Boyland for this

33:54amendment. It gives the district

33:57um councilmembers

34:00the option to be able to do this. Um

34:02they make they make the decision for

34:04their particular districts, and I I

34:07think it's a

34:09it's a reasonable amendment. Um we go

34:11next to uh Vice Chair Clark-Murray,

34:13you're recognized.

34:14>> Thank you, Chair. I want to be added as

34:16a co-sponsor. Thank you, Legislative

34:17Services.

34:20>> Okay, thank you.

34:23No one else in the queue, please open

34:24the ballot and record your vote.

34:32>> Seven yeas, zero nays.

34:34>> By your

34:34>> action, you've approved 20260755

34:37as amended. Item 13, 20260756

34:42is on second read. Item 14, 20260765

34:47May have a motion on the bill, please?

34:49>> Move the bill.

34:50>> We have a motion second on the bill.

34:53Seeing no one in the queue, please open

34:55the ballot and record your vote.

35:02>> 7 A's, 0 Nays.

35:03>> By your action, you've approved

35:0520260765.

35:07Item 15, 20260778.

35:10>> Move the bill.

35:11>> We have a motion second on the bill.

35:15We have any Anyone in the queue?

35:18Um

35:23You know what? I'm just going to save my

35:25comments for when I see the draft

35:27strategic plan. Um I think No one is No

35:30one is commenting.

35:32Um I think we've had four extensions up

35:34to this point. And uh everybody knows

35:37what we what we're looking at here, so

35:39we'll we'll

35:41look forward to seeing the draft plan.

35:44Um okay, please open the ballot and

35:45record your vote.

35:51>> 7 A's, 0 Nays.

35:53>> By your action, you've approved

35:5420260778.

35:57Item 16, 20260779

36:00is deferred due to the planning

36:02commission. Items 17 and 18, 20260800

36:07and 20260802

36:10are on second read.

36:12Next page, um

36:14the rest of these, I believe, are on

36:16second read. Item 20260805

36:2020260806,

36:2220260807,

36:2520260808,

36:2720260809,

36:29202

36:312020-260811,

36:332020-260813,

36:362020-260814,

36:382020-260816,

36:402020-260817,

36:42and also on second read 2020-260832.

36:46Is there anything else?

36:50Um past President Carlich, you

36:51recognize.

36:54>> Thank you, Mr. [clears throat] Chair.

36:56Uh since I don't have a chance to

36:59uh as a

37:00committee member of any other

37:01committees, I've been on these

37:03committees this and TEU all four years

37:06with the exception of one.

37:07Um so while I'm

37:09got the attention of some other members

37:11who were on those committees,

37:13um

37:14and uh and other committees that may be

37:17taking up the

37:18um

37:20uh

37:22the

37:23I don't want to call it necessarily the

37:24public's incentive because it's not for

37:26public, it's for that entire

37:27development.

37:29Um and I respect uh

37:31uh

37:32I can respect the idea

37:35of our Council President uh

37:37delaying that vote until after the

37:39Amendment 3

37:40uh

37:42vote in terms of voting for that

37:43incentive.

37:45But what if it's what if Amendment 3

37:47passes?

37:48Does that mean we're not going to vote

37:50for the incentive?

37:52Um

37:53and uh

37:54so I I I just want to

37:56take this chance

37:57uh because it is a

37:59a neighborhood's issue.

38:01I said it downtown is a neighborhood.

38:04And it's not just for

38:06uh Pearl Plaza, it's actually for the

38:08entire neighborhood

38:10of downtown.

38:12Um

38:13and Springfield

38:15and uh and other um

38:18adjoining

38:19uh areas of of the downtown area.

38:23>> [clears throat]

38:23>> We can wait till after

38:25uh Amendment 3, but

38:27but folks, we going

38:29we going to have to take that up and and

38:31regardless of Amendment 3,

38:33uh whether that passes or not, let's say

38:36it does pass.

38:38That should not dictate how we vote on

38:40that incentive

38:41this year.

38:42It just should not.

38:45We we have the ability to vote for that

38:48now. The money is in place.

38:51And we won't be

38:52uh

38:53we won't be uh

38:55having to uh

38:57appropriate that money until what? 2028?

39:002029?

39:02On that incentive?

39:04I I have to tell you if if if

39:08I mean, we we certain in 2020

39:1129 20 29 30

39:14>> [clears throat]

39:15>> We we can certainly vote no on that,

39:18regardless.

39:19Cuz we have a green and red button in

39:21front of us.

39:22But

39:25that

39:26um

39:27development group

39:30they've got as much as risk at much as

39:32risk or more than the taxpayers.

39:37And they are counting on this city

39:41council

39:43uh and this administration

39:45to act in good faith in voting for that

39:47based on the merits of that project.

39:51And

39:53we're waiting till Amendment 3. If

39:54Amendment 3 passes, and we just decide,

39:57"Okay, well, we're just going to vote

39:58no."

39:59Because oh my gosh, what are we going to

40:00do?

40:01We got all this year

40:03to figure out what we're going to do

40:04with Amendment 3 if that passes.

40:06And if we don't pass that, I'm going to

40:08tell you that is going to really put

40:11um

40:13>> [clears throat]

40:13>> a sour taste in the mouth of any

40:15developer of these developers right now,

40:18who are risking

40:20their private money

40:22and

40:23um in in that development. Um

40:28for for Jacksonville, and we're lucky to

40:30have them to do that.

40:33But any other developer that wants to

40:34come downtown

40:36and and invest for Jacksonville,

40:39uh they're they're going to look at us

40:41like,

40:42"Well, we can't count on them."

40:45We can't count on them.

40:49Because

40:50they're going to be subject to the whims

40:53and the winds of politics.

40:58So, I just want to urge

41:01uh

41:02those who are on this floor

41:11I just want to urge those council

41:13members who are in this committee

41:16to think about that when

41:18we get ready to vote.

41:20And if amendment three passes, oh well.

41:23We'll have to deal with that.

41:24But the amount of money this incentive

41:26doesn't come up till 29 and 30.

41:29And

41:30and if we pass that, hehe, it's not

41:33going to make that big a deal in the big

41:34scope of things

41:36uh in terms of

41:38the

41:39um the big picture of what that

41:42amendment's going to cost us.

41:45Now, it I I respect the idea.

41:47I do respect the idea of of putting it

41:50off. I I I can respect that.

41:52But the more I've thought about that

41:54over the last couple of weeks, the more

41:55I thought,

41:57"What difference does it make?"

41:59We've got to make a decision on that.

42:02And we we've got to make a tough

42:03decision.

42:05And I just hope we don't let the

42:06politics of

42:09the fear of the polls

42:12uh keep us from doing the right thing.

42:15And uh because it will hurt more than

42:18just not having that development, which

42:20is so important to the entire

42:23lifeblood of downtown.

42:25But I'll tell you, it might be a

42:27short-term political gain to vote no,

42:30but it'll be a long-term

42:33um loss

42:35to

42:36downtown Jacksonville.

42:38And in your legacy that you leave

42:41behind, it'll be a long-term loss to

42:44your legacy as you walk away.

42:47It'll be one that you'll you'll wish you

42:49could have taken your vote back

42:50>> um

42:51I'm trying to be very kind and very

42:53gracious here, but if we could if we

42:55could if we could wrap this up, I'd

42:57appreciate it.

42:58>> Uh thank you, Councilman Miller. I

43:00appreciate it. Uh

43:01You know what? I have served a long time

43:03up here,

43:04and I have been on the same committees

43:06year after year after year, and stripped

43:08of committee last year. So, if I take a

43:11a few extra minutes, a few extra seconds

43:14after I speak, I don't think that's too

43:16much to ask to speak as a senior council

43:18member up here. Thank you.

43:19>> and I grant you that, and you said the

43:21same thing multiple times. We We get

43:24your points, and we appreciate your

43:25points.

43:25>> Sometimes I'm not sure if you do,

43:26Councilman Miller. I got to tell you,

43:28I'm not sure if y'all do.

43:29>> Miller.

43:31>> Thank you.