2026-10-08 - LUZ

00:03All right,

00:05good evening everyone. It is five

00:08o'clock October 6. Welcome to the land

00:10use and zoning committee. We are going

00:12to go ahead and get this meeting started

00:15with introductions to the left all the

00:17way around the horn and then we're going

00:18to introduce our pages and get this

00:20meeting started.

00:21>> Rockman Johnson, District 14, the West

00:23Side.

00:24>> Gaff J.

00:26>> Good evening. Roy Diamond, District 13,

00:28the beaches. Joe Carluchi, District 5.

00:31>> Kevin Cargo, District 4, Southside.

00:33>> Hello. Raw is District 11.

00:35>> Randy White, District 12.

00:37>> Terrence Harvey, Office of General

00:38Counsel.

00:40>> Susan Kelly, Planning Department. Aaron

00:42Abney, Planning Department. Casey Cox,

00:44Planning Department.

00:45>> All right. Thank you for those

00:46introductions. And we also have Miss

00:49Kelly Menddees and

00:52Sarah Agul with our pages tonight. Thank

00:55you ladies for joining us.

00:59And now this isn't their first time.

01:00They've done this like four or five

01:02times that I just learned. So I was

01:04like, man, okay, they are they are

01:06professionals. We we're taking

01:07applications in the legislative services

01:10department, too. So, but no, they have

01:12much more higher ambitions. Um, so with

01:15that, we will go to the agenda.

01:19We have item number one, 2026124 is

01:22deferred with public hearing next cycle

01:24on 111726.

01:26Item number two, 2026125

01:29is deferred with a public hearing next

01:30cycle on 111726.

01:32Item number three, 2026126 is deferred

01:35with a public hearing next cycle on

01:36102026.

01:38Item number four, 2026127 is deferred

01:41with the public hearing next cycle on

01:42102026. Item number 5, 2026 436 is

01:46deferred with the public hearing next

01:47cycle on 102026.

01:49Item number six and seven, we are going

01:52to need uh those items have been marked

01:55as deferred, but we are going to need an

01:58amendment to re-refer those as a new

02:00notice needs to be sent out. So, Mr.

02:02Harvey, can you kind of tee us up for

02:04how we need to approach that?

02:07>> So, taking item number six first, 2026

02:11523, the amendment will be to exhibit

02:13one um which changes the uh the legal

02:17description of the bill. Um, and then we

02:19will need to have you guys um adopt the

02:22amendment and then uh move to re-refer

02:25so it can leave committee, go to uh city

02:28council and then be re-referred back uh

02:30so it can go to planning commission and

02:32then back to you all.

02:34>> All right, we have a motion on that from

02:37council member Diamond and a second from

02:39Council Member Carico. All in favor of

02:40the amendment signify by saying I.

02:42>> Any opposed? The amendment carries.

02:45>> So we now we need a motion to re-refer

02:48All

02:49right, we have a motion to re-refer as

02:52amended. Correct. Okay. Is that a ballot

02:54vote?

02:56>> Let's open the ballot. Record your

02:58votes.

03:02>> Seven yay, zero nays.

03:04>> By action, you've re-referred item

03:06number 6, 2026 523.

03:09Same thing for item number seven.

03:12Correct, Mr. Harvey. Okay. Item number

03:14seven, 2026, 524. Can you please cue up

03:17what the amendment needs to be?

03:18>> Yep. So, the amendment will be to again

03:20exhibit one. It changes the legal

03:22description. So, you guys will need to

03:23move the amendment and then also uh move

03:26to refer.

03:29>> We have a motion, a second on the

03:31amendment. All in favor of the amendment

03:32signify by saying I.

03:33>> Any opposed? The amendment carries.

03:37>> Motion a second to re refer as amended.

03:41No one in the queue. Open the ballot.

03:42Record your vote.

03:52Six yay, zero nays.

03:54>> By direction, you have approved the

03:56re-referral of 226524.

04:00Are you up? I have I have Councilman

04:02Gaffne on the queue. Are you up?

04:11>> Councilman Johnson, do you want You can

04:12go ahead. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Go ahead.

04:14>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think both

04:16Councilman Gaffne and I were trying to

04:17do the same thing. Uh my thing was I

04:19know that there were some people here

04:20from St. Paul Church and they were both

04:23here for both of those bills that were

04:26re-referred. And if I may, Mr. Chair,

04:28just explaining so they know. Um they

04:30were here to speak to those bills. And

04:32the bills that you are coming for, the

04:33concrete batch plant bill as well as the

04:35bill on Richardson Road, both of them

04:37have be have been re-referred to

04:39committee and through the chair. Again,

04:41what that means is specifically while

04:43they were going to be voted on tonight,

04:45the initial bill for um Richardson Road

04:48has been re-referred to the 20th. Uh Mr.

04:50Harvey, correct me if I'm in correct.

04:52>> So, yeah. So, the items that were just

04:54up for uh uh amendment and re-refer were

04:57not related to those items. This was for

04:59items uh 523 and 524, which were uh

05:03>> 532, you mean?

05:05>> Nope. 5

05:05>> 523.

05:06>> 523 and 524. Okay. Okay.

05:08>> And these were related to uh properties

05:10located on Yellow Water Road.

05:12>> So we're are we going to do through the

05:13chair? Are we doing 532? Definitely.

05:15>> Yes.

05:16>> It's just the only one we're not is the

05:18Richardson Road number.

05:19>> That is correct.

05:20>> This is 558.

05:21>> That is correct.

05:22>> Correct. Okay. Just want just for those

05:24that that may want to speak to it. I

05:25wanted them to understand. I appreciate

05:27St. Paul Amy Church is here. I know

05:28there are a lot of them here. Just

05:30wanted them to know just in case. 558

05:32will not be heard tonight. However, the

05:34concrete batch plant will Okay. Want to

05:36put that out there. Thank you, Mr. the

05:37chair for indulging me.

05:38>> All right. Yeah, no problem. And just to

05:41re uh clarify your point, uh item number

05:4411 is what you were speaking to. 22658.

05:47Um the public hearing will be continued

05:49until 102026. So not this committee, the

05:52following committee after this is when

05:54we'll take action on that. So with

05:58all right, all of that on the record, we

06:01are on number eight. 2026 532.

06:04Council members, please declare your

06:06exparte communication at this time.

06:09Council member Aras, you're recognized.

06:11>> Thank you, Chair. I'd like to declare

06:13exparte. I've received numerous emails

06:15in opposition of this and uh it's

06:17currently being followed as we speak.

06:18Thank you.

06:20>> Councilman Johnson, you're recognized.

06:22Are you here? Where'd you go?

06:24Councilman.

06:26Okay. Councilman White, you're

06:27recognized.

06:28>> Yes, sir. Thank you. Uh declare export.

06:30The emails I have received will be

06:33filed. Thank you.

06:35>> All right. Good deal. And I'll go ahead

06:36and declare my exparte. My office has

06:39received 35 letters in opposition, 59

06:42signatures on October 5th, and we will

06:45have this paperwork filed with

06:48legislative services.

06:50Um,

06:51okay.

06:52>> Oh, Councilman Carico, you're

06:54recognized.

06:54>> Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair. I do also have

06:56expartees. I received the emails that

06:58everyone has talked about as well. I've

07:00received the same ones, and they're

07:01mostly all in opposition. Um, don't have

07:03the exact number here, but uh, my

07:05assistant will make sure to report that

07:07to legislative services. Thank you, Mr.

07:08Chair.

07:09>> Okay, no problem.

07:12>> Did you want to speak?

07:13>> We in the wrong seat.

07:15>> Oh, you are in the

07:20>> There we go. Wait.

07:22>> Oh, okay. All right. Councilman Gaffne.

07:23Councilman Gaffne, you're recognized.

07:29>> Is that the right mic?

07:35Yeah, thank you through the chair. I

07:36also want to declare as part I received

07:38numerous email I think anywhere up from

07:4120 phone calls. I received 25 letters

07:46and

07:48over 100 emails um opposing this

07:50legislation. I make sure everything get

07:51filed with legislative services. Thank

07:53you.

07:54>> All right. Thank you. Do you need to go

07:56counsel? Okay. Councilman Johnson,

07:58you're recognized.

07:59>> Thank you. Thank you.

08:03testing. There we go. Thank you, Mr.

08:04Chair, and thank you first of all to

08:06Katie for catching the fact that uh I

08:09thought I was sitting where I was

08:10supposed to be and I was not. That's why

08:11you were seeing my name in queue because

08:12Reggie was in my seat and I was in his.

08:14I digress. Um

08:17>> really, that's what we're going to do,

08:18Mr. Mr. Former President. Um this is

08:20what we do, though. LUZ is fun. We're a

08:22family here, everyone. Uh I'd like to

08:24rise to declare exparte for this

08:26particular piece of legislation. I have

08:28had conversation. Uh, I just had a

08:30quick, although I wasn't talking about

08:32it to the the um pastor, Pastor Barnes.

08:35I will declare that, but we were not

08:37talking about this legislation. I've had

08:39more than a hundred emails. I also have

08:42returned many of those emails. All of

08:43those things will been have been filed

08:45with legislative services and um there

08:48have been I think there were some phone

08:50messages that came in today. So, there

08:52will be additional exparte coming filing

08:54those with legislative services opposing

08:56this legislation. Uh I have not gotten

08:58any calls or emails messages uh

09:01promoting the legislation. Thank you,

09:02Mr. Chair.

09:04>> All right. Thank you. With that, do we

09:07need to get a staff report on this or do

09:09we we need to get a new staff report on

09:10this? Correct. Because we have a change.

09:13Okay, cool. So, let's open the public

09:15hearing and get a staff report.

09:16>> Thank you. This is PUD reszoning

09:18ordinance 2026 532, which is requesting

09:21to reszone 16.73 acres from an

09:24industrial light to a PUD. Uh since the

09:27last meeting, the applicant has

09:28submitted a revised written description

09:30and a revised site plan, both dated

09:32September 21st, which has removed all

09:34references to concrete batch plant. The

09:37PUD will still allow industrial light

09:40uses, um which they are currently

09:42entitled to today under the existing

09:44zoning of industrial light. Um what this

09:47PUB um now does it it allows for

09:50deviations from certain landscaping

09:52requirements um increase in some parking

09:55above what code regulates and then also

09:57allows for a waiver of road frontage to

09:59be included. Um access to the property

10:02will be through a shared easement um to

10:04the sister company that's located to the

10:06south of the property which is 5995

10:08Sutel Drive. Uh the site is designated

10:11with light industrial and heavy

10:13industrial land use designation um

10:15including 3.11 acres of property which

10:18is within the heavy industrial land use

10:20category where all the industrial uses

10:22that are within this PUD are consistent.

10:25Uh staff finds a request consistent with

10:26the comp plan by supporting infill

10:28development on longestablished

10:29industrial lands. It promotes

10:31redevelopment and supports existing

10:33industrial areas of the city rather than

10:36expanding these uses to other parts of

10:37the city. The operation is appropriately

10:40located along an active railway

10:42surrounded by existing industrial uses

10:44to the south and east which do include

10:47manufacturing storage and um several

10:49other properties that have the

10:50industrial heavy zoning um designation.

10:53The PUB meets internal external

10:55compatibility. The site is buffered from

10:57a res from surrounding residential areas

10:59by natural wetlands. you have a railway

11:02to um railway rightway adjacent to the

11:06property and again surrounding

11:07entitlements for industrial uses. So for

11:10these reasons and those outlined in the

11:12staff report, we are forwarding a

11:13recommendation of approval with the

11:15conditions in your agenda and the

11:18revised exhibit 3 and four. application

11:20was heard by planning commission on

11:22August 6 where there were no speakers in

11:24opposition and discussion revolved

11:26around the need for the condition two um

11:29for landscaping on the site um

11:32landscaping on the site for employees

11:33only and not viewable from the public

11:34rideway. They ultimately decided to

11:36remove that second condition uh based on

11:39that discussion. So they voted

11:40unanimously for approval with the one

11:42condition in your agenda. Thank you.

11:50All right. Thank you so much for that.

11:51Uh before we go uh to the public

11:54hearing, Miss Reed, I know you're up

11:55first. I just want to make a quick

11:56announcement. Obviously, um Miss Pitman

11:58is not here. She let me know that she

12:00wasn't going to be here tonight. She had

12:01a little bit of a family emergency with

12:03her mom, um taking her to and from the

12:05hospital. So, I told her, "Take care of

12:07your family first." Um but obviously,

12:09she was here last meeting. I believe

12:10there was a community meeting that she

12:12facilitated with Miss Reed. Um, so

12:15anyways, just wanted to make sure that

12:16that was on the record that she was out

12:19due to kind of a a family situation. Uh,

12:22with that, I'll go to Cast President

12:24Carico and then we'll go to Miss Reed

12:25and the rest of the uh, public hearing

12:27cards.

12:27>> Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a

12:28quick question to the U. Planning

12:30Department.

12:32Has the concrete use been taken out, the

12:35concrete mixing use? That's that's

12:37totally out, right? I just want to make

12:38sure before we we start hearing from the

12:40public to make sure that everyone

12:41understands that that has already been

12:42removed.

12:43>> Yeah. through the chair. So the written

12:45description has reviewed every reference

12:47to concrete batch plant and the site

12:49plan also has removed that reference as

12:51well. So this PUD if approved will not

12:53allow for that use.

12:54>> Okay. Um thank you so much for

12:56clarifying.

12:58All right. First up, Kristen Reed.

13:03>> I don't No.

13:05>> Thank you. Kristen Reed. Uh, my address

13:07is 12740 Graham Bay Parkway West, Sweet

13:102350, Jacksonville, Florida 32257. Um,

13:14Erin did a great job with the

13:15introduction to the item. And I think

13:17that the biggest point here is we've had

13:19several community meetings and the PUD

13:22has been revised to specifically remove

13:25the concrete batch plant, which everyone

13:27has had opposition to um, and it has

13:29removed it from both the text of the

13:31written description as well as the site

13:32plan. And in addition to that, I did

13:34hear some comment about the flammable

13:36and combustible material. So I went

13:37ahead and removed that as well because

13:39that would be normally permitted on the

13:40property currently. Um so again, the PED

13:44has been revised to remove the issue

13:45that everyone has is um brought up. So

13:48now the proposed zoning allows pretty

13:50much the uses that are allowed in the

13:52industrial light zoning. Um it's going

13:55to be a concrete aggregate storage and

13:57distribution facility. Um, the PUD does

14:00allow for, as Erin mentioned, an

14:02increase in parking to accommodate the

14:04employees on site, allowing moving of

14:06the landscape, the interior landscape to

14:08the perimeter of the site. Um, which it

14:10would better serve any development

14:12around it, although it is all industrial

14:13around the site. Um, to allow for a

14:16waiver of road frontage for access to

14:17Sutel Drive. So again, access is going

14:19to be through an existing truck route.

14:21The community benefit of this PUD is

14:24that it eliminates the storage of

14:25flammable products. It doesn't include

14:27the concrete batch plant and it locks in

14:29a site plan for the use so the community

14:30knows what's going there. And if we were

14:32to change the use, it would require a

14:34hearing, a noticed hearing and a revised

14:36site plan. So since the last uh meeting

14:39uh on October 1st, council member Pitman

14:42held another meeting with about five

14:44residents of the area. Um we reviewed

14:46the revised PUB text and site plan. Um

14:49and I offered some conditions to address

14:51concerns regarding potential dust. Uh

14:54these conditions um Erin has a copy if

14:56they haven't been passed out, but there

14:58are five conditions. Um they are water

15:01non-paved roads three times per day

15:03during operations. Water the face of the

15:06pile area prior to the loading of

15:08material. Have tripod portable sprinkler

15:11sprinklers available for windy days that

15:13could potentially create dust and also

15:15available during piling and loading of

15:18materials.

15:19A four, install a sprinkler at the

15:21stacking conveyor discharge point where

15:24the material comes off the conveyor from

15:25the rail car to create the pile. And

15:28five, and finally is contract with a

15:30sweeping company company to sweep

15:32interior ingress and egress points one

15:34time per week within the PUD site. So um

15:38although there is no uh processing of

15:40the concrete aggregate material which is

15:41where you end up with with the dust

15:44particulate um we will still offer these

15:46conditions in here to ensure that there

15:48is no dust um and that we're doing as

15:51much as we can to control any potential

15:52dust of moving the material around. So

15:54based on our application, stiff's

15:56staff's written and oral presentations,

15:59community feedback on September 10th and

16:01October 1st, as well as my walking

16:03mockingb bird and stopping by 32

16:05residents along that. Um, we find the

16:10proposed PED is appropriate and request

16:11your approval.

16:13>> All right. Thank you, Miss Reed.

16:16And

16:18next we have Peggy Wiggins. Come on

16:21down.

16:23State your name and address. Are you

16:24here? Do you wish to speak or no?

16:29All right. She is in opposition.

16:33And then next we have Leavonne Mitchell.

16:38>> Don't let her speak. You're in

16:39opposition.

16:41Next, Nancy Murray Settle is in

16:44opposition.

16:46Come on down.

16:48We have Brenda Smith after her.

16:52and then Dr. Kashan Chamblas after Miss

16:58Smith.

17:07>> Go ahead, ma'am. State.

17:08>> Okay. Thank you. Um Nancy Murray Settle.

17:11My address is on file and I'm here today

17:13to speak about the um ordinance 0532

17:18the a concrete aggregate storage and

17:22distribution that is being proposed for

17:26northwest Jacksonville. Um, I'm glad the

17:30concrete plant think batch plant was

17:32removed, but there are still health

17:36concerns about silicut dust. And it's

17:39not just for the mile that is near there

17:44and the schools that are near there.

17:46Some of this dust can go for five miles

17:50away. It's called fugitive dust. Some of

17:52you send your kids to Stanton, which is

17:54within that five mile zone, and they

17:57would be impacted possibly negatively.

18:01If the wa if the water that the

18:03sprinkles, that's the first I heard

18:04about that, keeping that silica dust

18:07down. I guess hopefully we trust these

18:10companies that they would do that all

18:11the time without oversight. I imagine

18:13the people working there are going to be

18:15wearing hazardous protection masks, but

18:18um that worries me too because it's like

18:22it's near a wetland and it's like this

18:24these do have chemicals involved in them

18:26and where are they going to go in our

18:27water? This negatively affects not just

18:30that community but all of Jacksonville.

18:34We don't want to increase the industrial

18:36uses of our city, especially we put in

18:40over $12 million recently for the

18:42upgrade of King Sutell. Also, I just

18:46don't understand

18:49the um waiver like why is there a

18:52traffic study after the PUD is verified?

18:55like what that that needs to come first

18:57to see what that traffic study is, how

18:59it may negatively impact our roadways

19:02cost taxpayers even more money. And then

19:05there's the noise level. I didn't hear

19:07anything about addressing the noise

19:09level. Those plants run 247 and those

19:13trucks, not only do they tear up our

19:15roadways, but they're noisy and they'll

19:18be affecting bringing property values

19:21down of the communities that are very

19:23nearby there. So, I think and why is

19:26there a waiver? Why can't they cover

19:28this area like and keep it from being

19:31seen? There's supposed to be fences and

19:33landscaping to cover it. Why are these

19:35things being waved? Um,

19:39Erin, Abby, go. I would like to see the

19:41summary of that report online. I look

19:43for that online. I didn't see a summary

19:46of summary needs to be made available to

19:48the public. Um, so I'm looking forward

19:51to seeing more of those things. I

19:53appreciate the conversation and I

19:55appreciate the the community that has

19:59finally been notified. There was a

20:00mention that something was on a August

20:036. No public because nobody knew there

20:06was no notification. Thank you.

20:10>> All right. Next we have Brenda Smith.

20:13>> Does not wish to speak is in opposition.

20:17Dr. Kashan Chamblas.

20:24>> Hello, it's Dr. Keshan Chamblas. I'm

20:26definitely in opposition and

20:28>> you set your address, please.

20:29>> Oh, it's on file.

20:30>> Thank you. Thank you.

20:31>> You're welcome. I'm in opposition of to

20:33this ordinance because of truck truck

20:35traffic and road safety. Concrete a

20:37badge plants generate frequent truck

20:39traffic including cement delivery

20:41trucks, aggregate haulers, and concrete

20:43mixture trucks. Increased truck truck

20:46traffic can create safety and concerns

20:48for pedestrians by bic uh bicyclists,

20:52school children, and local motorists.

20:54Additional heavy vehicles accelerate

20:56roadway deterioration, increased

20:58maintenance costs. Res residents deserve

21:00peaceful enjoyment of their homes

21:02without industrial noise operating

21:03throughout the day. I'm in opposition to

21:06this ordinance because of noise impacts.

21:08The plant operation often involves

21:10loaders, conveyors, backup lawns,

21:12aggregates handling equipment and truck

21:15activity. Industrial noise can affect

21:18nearby homes, churches, schools, and

21:20outdoors recreation areas. Environmental

21:23reviews of cement related facilities

21:25have identified measurable noise impacts

21:27on nearby residential areas. I'm glad to

21:30know that she wants she's willing to try

21:32to work with us, but again, I'm

21:33definitely in opposition because of the

21:35health and safety and the noise. Thank

21:37you.

21:40>> All right. Thank you so much. Uh, as we

21:43continue through this, I just need a

21:44quick announcement. Is Francisco Olivera

21:46out in the audience?

21:49You can just raise your hand. Don't

21:50worry, I'm not going to call you down.

21:52Francisco Alivera, are you here?

21:57Alrighty. All right. No problem. We will

22:00make another curtain call in a couple

22:02minutes. So, next we have Tama Simmons.

22:08come on down. And then we have Melvin

22:10Williams and then Pastor Timothy

22:13Johnson, Senior.

22:19>> Good evening. My name is Tama Simmons.

22:21Um, you have my address on file.

22:23>> Thank you.

22:25>> I grew up in this neighborhood um from

22:27the age of two and I just bought a home

22:30in this neighborhood last year. My

22:32parents live there. My family is there.

22:35That's where we gather for all of our um

22:38celebrations or just to hang out,

22:40whatever the case may be. We should not

22:42have to worry about breathing industrial

22:45dust while just being a family.

22:49We are taxpaying, hardworking citizens

22:52who serve our community.

22:55There is no way to prevent particulate

22:59dust from moving. If it is stored near

23:01our homes, it will move into our spaces.

23:04As a biologist, it is clear to me and

23:08anyone who is clear on the science that

23:10particular ma particulate matter in the

23:13form of cement, sand and dust are not

23:17meant to be in ingested. There is no way

23:20to prevent this if a plant is this close

23:22to our homes. Exposure means that our

23:25health is at risk.

23:28This means any number of upper

23:30respiratory conditions will now be

23:32available to prevent us from breathing

23:34properly. Everybody pause for just a

23:37second and take think about the thing

23:38that we're taking for granted right now,

23:40breathing. That's going to be at risk

23:43for us.

23:47Breathing is how we fuel our bodies.

23:48It's literally how we move our bodies.

23:52Since you cannot put a price on life,

23:55you cannot justify allowing a business

23:57to operate that will put our lives at

23:59risk. No one would rightly sign up for

24:02such a risk. You're also hoping that

24:05watering the area will be enough to

24:06prevent dust from spreading. If it is

24:10this innocuous,

24:12then by all means, put it in the

24:14developer neighborhood.

24:16Not to mention the extra traffic and

24:18destruction to our roadways. It's

24:21already difficult at times to move

24:22traffic in the area. Your job as our

24:25representatives is to ensure our safety

24:28and well-being is not at risk. I implore

24:31you to vote no.

24:34>> All right. Thank you so much. Next, we

24:37have Melvin Williams.

24:52How you doing? Melvin Williams. Uh,

24:54address on file. Um, I'm a father,

24:57husband, and a farmer, and I live in

24:59this community in Homegardens

25:01neighborhood. I also work in the

25:03transportation industry on Sutil. I've

25:05been one of the voices that have

25:06consistently showed up and spoken

25:08against this ordinance and participated

25:09in roundts as well as community outreach

25:12meetings. As community, we've shown up

25:14multiple times and have asked for a list

25:16of materials that will be stored on this

25:18holding yard. As the word aggraate is

25:21just a general term referring to mixed

25:23materials, but have we received an

25:25answer? The answer is no. Uh, previously

25:27we were just notified that uh the

25:29application had a change and had a

25:32revision as far as the flam flammable

25:34materials will be removed, but that was

25:36not stated on our meeting October 1st.

25:40Uh crystalline silica is the main

25:42component of concrete mix. This chemical

25:45is very hazardous as it can cause

25:46permanent scar tissue and the lungs and

25:48chemical burns on your skin if touched.

25:50For employees that work around this,

25:52there's measures and safety measures in

25:54place as well N95 mask or eye

25:56protection. But as a community, where's

25:58our safety measures and where's the

26:00concern when we haven't been given one

26:01and we've asked repeatedly.

26:04Uh my child will attend the brand new

26:05Pikville Elementary next year along with

26:07many others and it doesn't seem like

26:09there's any health concern for the

26:10children in this area. Uh there's brand

26:13new uh brand new housing developments

26:15along Sutel and as we can see there's

26:18probably going to be the val what's

26:19going to happen to the value of the

26:20properties in this area. I'm a farmer

26:22and the home gardener neighborhood is

26:24zone for real residential as most of us

26:25grow our own food or raise some type of

26:27animal that feed and substantial food

26:30source for our families and friends.

26:33Is there a possibility that with these

26:35health issues down the line, the CLJ

26:37could run into issues similar to

26:38Fairware Oaks or Lonnie Cy Miller Park

26:40or the other settlements that the city

26:41has had along the along the years? What

26:44I've noticed in very every single city

26:46council meeting or community meeting.

26:48There has not been one single person

26:50that spoken for this ordinance. Every

26:53person has been against. Are our voices

26:55not heard? Are our voices less or

26:58smaller than the voice of the applicant?

27:03the sole beneficiary if this ordinance

27:05will pass would only benefit one which

27:08is the applicant. This we as a community

27:10has spoken multiple times. We don't want

27:11this in our area. Thank you.

27:15>> Thank you sir. Next we have Pastor

27:16Timothy Johnson senior. Come on down.

27:29Pastor Timothy D. Johnson senior address

27:31is on file. Council president and all

27:34council

27:36president recognized. I just want to

27:39echo everything that's been said in

27:41opposition already, but one point in

27:45particular interest to uh Councilman

27:48Bridg Jr. retention ponds,

27:53respiratory issues,

27:56disabled veterans with PTSD and dementia

27:59that wander into these unprotect unared

28:03retention ponds. My children and my

28:06grandchildren live in these areas,

28:09retention ponds.

28:12>> Sir, I'm sorry, but if you're not

28:13speaking to the bill, we that's not I'm

28:15>> speaking I'm speaking. It's an off It's

28:17an offset, sir.

28:19Are we having

28:20>> every health issue? Every issue.

28:21>> All the time. Is there retention ponds

28:23on this?

28:25>> You got runoff.

28:27>> It's going to go somewhere

28:29and it's definitely going to go to a

28:30retention pond.

28:32>> Okay. Your time is renewed. Go ahead.

28:34>> Yeah, it needs to be dealt with.

28:36Everyone's in opposition. Let's get it

28:38done.

28:38>> All right. Thanks, sir. Next, we have

28:39Wells Todd.

28:51My name is Wells Todd. My address is on

28:53file and I'm a member of Take Them Down

28:56Jacks.

28:57I just want to repeat some of the things

29:00that have already been said about this

29:02concrete facility because it takes many

29:05voices

29:07to get across to this committee the

29:11necessity to vote no regarding this

29:15plant. It is a health hazard

29:18that has been pointed out. There is no

29:21way you can confine dust.

29:26It is raining outside right now. That

29:30plant was there, there would be runoff.

29:34There is no way that this plant is being

29:37built outside of the need for profit.

29:42And if you build a plant for profit,

29:45you're going to cut corners.

29:48And you can't say that they won't.

29:52Why is this plant being built in this

29:54area? It doesn't benefit the community.

29:58It's not a grocery store. It's not a

30:01hospital.

30:03It's not a child care center.

30:06It's not a youth center.

30:09What good does this do for the

30:11community? None at all.

30:15Put it somewhere else. The community is

30:18saying no.

30:21And what's really interesting is that

30:24you all come before the people to get

30:27their vote and you say you're working

30:30for us,

30:34but when it comes right down to it,

30:35you're working for the developers

30:38and the other rich folks in this town.

30:41And my last question here is

30:46why isn't the council person who's over

30:50this district

30:53not sitting and demanding that this

30:55plant not be built.

30:58Thank you.

31:00>> So yeah, real quick, I'll just take a

31:02personal Okay, Council Member White,

31:04you're recognized.

31:05>> Yes, sir. Mr. God, I don't know if he

31:08was here earlier when the chair

31:10announced she had a family emergency is

31:12why she's not here. And if you didn't

31:14hear that, I thought it would be good

31:15for you to hear that.

31:18>> Thank you, Council Member White.

31:19>> I understand the family emergency,

31:21>> sir. No, sir.

31:22>> But she has not supported the community

31:24up to now.

31:25>> Your time is up. Thank you. Um,

31:32India Butler, you're next. Come on down.

31:51Hello, my name's India Butler. My

31:53address is on file. I am another

31:59uh community activist, epidemiologist.

32:03My family is out of that neighborhood.

32:05My church family is out in that

32:06neighborhood. I have been also

32:08consistently showing up here day after

32:11day. Rain, sleep or snow, I am here. And

32:16it's all because we received this

32:19application, the new one um on October

32:22the 1st and it continuously

32:25is continuously shows inconsistencies

32:29and contradicts what she is verbally

32:33saying. Now, we met originally on

32:34September the 10th, the meeting,

32:37community meeting that uh Jacobe hosted,

32:40and

32:42she said that she was in contact with

32:44James Richardson at the Jackson uh

32:47Environmental Board. When I reached out

32:50to him, he documented that he had no

32:52knowledge of it. That was the first lie

32:54she told. Now, we met up on October the

32:571st, and she's asking for waivers, but

33:01then if she verbally communicate that

33:03these waiverss doesn't apply to

33:07uh preventative measures of the runoff,

33:09but it's not documented in the contract

33:13or the application. I'm just a little

33:15confused here and trying to gain an

33:17understanding of what is actually true

33:19and what's actually not. Do I supposed

33:21to go verbally what she's telling us or

33:23am I supposed to go by this application?

33:26Now, she just sat up here and said

33:28something else verbally, but where's the

33:30new application? Has it been revised?

33:32Has it been posted on the website for

33:35community transparency? And that's what

33:38we have been lacking lately. It's

33:39community transparency. Continuously

33:42making changes, continuously

33:45verbally communicating things that does

33:47not align with what the application

33:49says. Now, who are we supposed to go to

33:52after she verbally on recorded all this

33:55information about what is she's going to

33:57provide or not? And we don't have it

33:58written down. We need it written what's

34:02going to happen on that on that that

34:04that res near those residential areas.

34:07Right. As of right now, we have nothing

34:09to go off of. Right. I have something

34:10here saying there's going to be a bulk

34:12storage of up to 250,000 gallons of

34:16what? From day one, we have been asking

34:19for safety data sheets. I even went to

34:22preferred materials uh website for

34:25because she did verbally communicate

34:27that she will be providing ready mix

34:30concrete on those railways. Uh but I

34:33think I just heard another contradiction

34:34that it's not going to be ready mix

34:36concrete today. I'm just confused about

34:39what's true and what's not. Um so if

34:41it's not in the application right now,

34:43I'm for the record opposing this

34:45ordinance.

34:49All right. Thank you, ma'am. And just to

34:51add a point of clarification, last

34:53speaker that wants wishes to speak is

34:54Mark Shelton. Um my understanding is

34:57that the the change request has been

34:59submitted, but it hasn't been adopted by

35:01this committee. Correct. So, the

35:02application is going to be as it was

35:04originally filed. So, the application is

35:06going to be how it is originally filed

35:08until this committee makes a change to

35:10it, which is what we plan to do here

35:12tonight. So, the way what you saw online

35:15is correct. it is the original

35:16application until we adopt and vote on

35:18the amendment to remove the concrete

35:20batch use. That correct? So, just wanted

35:23to just speak to that part. There was

35:25other parts that I can't speak to at

35:27this moment, but um the last speaker we

35:30have is Mark Shelton and uh state your

35:33name and address and then we'll go to

35:35the rest of the speakers.

35:36>> Thank you, chairman. My name is Mark

35:38Shelton with Kimley Horton Associates.

35:39I'm at 12740

35:41Grand Bay Parkway West, sweet 2350,

35:44Jacksonville, Florida, 32258.

35:47And I'd like to say a couple things on

35:49the record. I know uh Miss Kristen was

35:51was speaking to her to her points. I do

35:55want to say that after meeting and

35:57negotiating with the community, we have

35:58removed the use of concern. That was the

36:00big item two weeks ago. that is removed

36:03and we've revised the PUB as such and

36:05talking to the planning department

36:07reviews it um revised it to their

36:09suitability. We've also removed an IL

36:12use that is allowed by right but we've

36:15removed it in this PUD that's the

36:17storage of bulk storage of flammable and

36:20combustible products. We're locking in a

36:22site plan with this PUD that shows a

36:25better buffer than what's required.

36:27We're offering up five conditions. All

36:29these conditions were those that have

36:31been discussed and been requested and uh

36:34entered into negotiation. There's no

36:36rock crushing on this site whatsoever.

36:38None. It comes processed and it's put in

36:41a pile and it's watered. And we've added

36:43five more conditions to make sure that

36:46that sand stays there. Um it's

36:49equivalent to to what you see on the

36:51beach. Right now, uh Sutell is operating

36:54at 37% capacity. That means there's 63%

36:58capacity left on this road. Thankfully,

37:01half of the trucks that leave this site

37:04just go to the parcel immediately to the

37:06south. Doesn't get don't get on the

37:07road. So, half our trips already taken

37:10before they get on the road. Uh, we must

37:12meet the noise ordinance. We also

37:14offered up to meet a heightened noise

37:16ordinance in the IH district even though

37:18we're ILIL.

37:20Um,

37:22Sutel is a designated truck route by the

37:25city of Jacksonville. This is something

37:26that the planning department holds us

37:28to. Uh, this is also in the industrial

37:31sanctuary.

37:32And, um, now that the concrete batch

37:36site is gone. Uh, this is just storage.

37:39OSHA doesn't require face masks or

37:42respiratory equipment whatsoever because

37:44that use that crushes the rocks is now

37:46gone. So, with that, I will stand by,

37:50see if you have any questions.

37:53>> All right. Thank you, sir. And I do have

37:56one other speaker. I'm sorry that uh I

37:58just got notified about that does wish

37:59to speak. Uh Mr. Willie Barnes Jr., come

38:03on. All right. Front row. Come on down,

38:05sir. And then we will read the rest of

38:09the cards into the record and then Miss

38:11Reed can have her time for a rebuttal.

38:13So, go ahead, Mr. Barnes. Name and

38:14address.

38:15>> Good evening, Dr. Willie uh Barnes,

38:17pastor of St. Paul AM Church, 6910 New

38:20Kings Road, Jacksonville, Florida,

38:2232219.

38:24The area surrounding uh Sutel Drive in

38:26Northwest Jacksonville in general has

38:28long been a dumping ground for

38:30contaminants that have literally

38:31destroyed the health and lives of the

38:33residents, parks, and schools were

38:35literally built on incinerator ash

38:37dumps. Here we are in 2026 and once

38:40again this community is asked to bear

38:42the brunt of health and air quality

38:44issues that will be in close proximity

38:46to an elementary school and the new

38:48King's Landing subdivision. We

38:50understand that after the last LUZ

38:53meeting, there was an attempt at

38:54compromise. However, we feel the health

38:56dangers are still relevant given the

38:59storage of materials and the airborne

39:01particles that can be released. We're

39:03not willing to risk the health of our

39:05children. Northwest Jacksonville's

39:07residents have more than their fair

39:09share of chronic diseases that have

39:11resulted from decisions to allow the

39:14placement of hazardous materials in

39:16neighborhoods. Before I end, let me also

39:19say that we understand I understand that

39:22there was a conversation between uh

39:24these individuals who are proposing to

39:26put the uh storage facility in place and

39:30residents of the community. However,

39:32that was only to my knowledge five

39:34people. And perhaps we are here tonight.

39:38I understand the measures that the

39:40developers have gone through in order to

39:43mitigate some of the risk. But perhaps

39:46we are here tonight because the

39:48residents of this community in totality

39:51were not brought to the table with these

39:54individuals to talk about the factors

39:57that have been put in place to mitigate

39:59some of the risks that we are talking

40:01about. And so since that did not take

40:04place, I am still urging I am still

40:07urging this commission to vote no on

40:11this ordinance. Thank you.

40:16All right. Thank you so much, sir. Next,

40:19we have uh the following speakers that

40:22are in opposition. I'm going to go ahead

40:23and read these cards into the record. Um

40:26if you wish to speak, come on up. But we

40:27typically give the applicant the last

40:30three minutes for rebuttal. So, we have

40:33Ivet Sanchez is in opposition. A Sweet

40:37opposition. Brenda Simmons

40:40uh what's it?

40:43Hutchkins. There we go. Opposition.

40:46Leroy Hutchkins. Opposition. Jamie

40:48Travis Leonard is in opposition.

40:52Rosalyn Snow Smith is in opposition.

40:55Loretta Copic opposition. Will Simmons

40:59opposition. Wy Thomas opposition. Brenda

41:02Forehand. Opposition. Christopher

41:05Robinson.

41:07Opposition.

41:09Jacqueline Harris. Opposition. Beatatric

41:12Matthews opposition. Samantha series

41:15opposition. Paul Forehand senior

41:19opposition.

41:24Gwindel Thomas opposition.

41:28Lynette White opposition.

41:32Dr. Andre Washington. Opposition.

41:36Kimberly Morrison. Opposition.

41:39Alfreda Densen Butler. Opposition Avery

41:42Cohen opposition

41:48Jamal Jamaalta Simmons opposition

41:52Gloria Gardner opposition.

41:56So with that, Miss Reed, we will go

41:59ahead and give you three minutes for

42:01rebuttal and then we will bring it back

42:03to committee.

42:04>> Okay. Thank you. Um, just a couple of

42:06things that I heard. The community

42:08meeting on 101 after we revised the

42:10written description in the site plan was

42:11hosted by uh council member Pitman. She

42:13invited community members as a

42:15representative to talk through this. So,

42:17we had that individualized meeting. Um,

42:20there still I know concerns about the

42:23fugitive dust. Um, this the material

42:27brought to site is processed somewhere

42:28else. The crushing and processing of the

42:30material is where the particle dust

42:32comes from. They are going to be

42:34bringing these material in already

42:36processed, already rinsed onto the site

42:38and just storing it and then moving it

42:40off site. Now, they've also offered up

42:42those five conditions to control

42:44anything else that might come out of

42:45there over and above. Um traffic, um

42:49Mark Shelton talked about 50% of this

42:51traffic is going to the south, so it's

42:52going to reduce the traffic that's

42:54coming to the site already to bring the

42:56material to the old castle property

42:58that's already there. Um, retention

43:01ponds, we're going to permit them in

43:02accordance with water management

43:03district, city of Jacksonville, that's

43:05going to be water quality and storm

43:06water runoff and anything with FD.

43:09Concerns about talking about additional

43:10runoff preventative measures. Those are

43:12related to the concrete batch plant and

43:14those are FD standards. They don't apply

43:16anymore because we don't have that use.

43:19Um,

43:21Sutel um, Sutel Drive between New Kings

43:24Road and Old Kings Road for the staff

43:26report is only operating at 39% of

43:28capacity and it is a designated truck

43:30route by the city of Jacksonville. The

43:32site's located in an industrial area

43:34with industrial land use, heavy and

43:36light, industrial zoning, heavy and

43:38light. It's in an industrial overlay and

43:40adjacent to a railroad. It's exactly

43:42where the city says by policy we want

43:44these things, which is why this area was

43:46chosen. It wasn't picked because we

43:48thought there were residential homes

43:50there and we didn't care. It's because

43:51the city by policy says this is

43:53industrial. This is where it belongs.

43:56We've peeled back the uses. We've

43:58removed the concrete batch plant per the

43:59community concern. We also took out the

44:02combustible materials as an extra

44:04benefit to the community so that use

44:05will not go there. Um we've offered up

44:08additional conditions to go on the site.

44:11They're bound by a site plan. So, we

44:13feel that, you know, it's we've worked

44:15with the community to try to come to a

44:17compromise to allow the use to happen.

44:19And essentially, the uses we're looking

44:21at are now less than what would already

44:23be permitted in the industrial light

44:25zoning. And they also have conditions if

44:28you accept those that are also over and

44:30above that would be permitted by right

44:32in the industrial zoning. So, I

44:34appreciate your time.

44:37>> All right. Thank you, Miss Reed. We have

44:39no other speaker cards. So with that,

44:41we're going to close the public hearing

44:42and bring it back to committee.

44:46So with the So we have some amendments.

44:50Okay. So we have an amendment with the

44:51conditions. So let's get a motion in a

44:53second on that with an explanation and

44:55we can discuss. Do we have a motion in a

44:57second?

44:59>> All right. We have a motion in a second

45:00on the amendment with conditions. Can

45:02Mr. Harvey or someone from planning

45:04explain the amendment?

45:05>> Yep. So the amendment attaches a revised

45:09exhibit 3 written description dated

45:11September 21, 2026, which describes and

45:14removes all the concrete batch language

45:16that was um uh initially spoken uh to by

45:20the applicant. Attaches a revised

45:22exhibit 4 with the revised site plan

45:24dated September 21st, 2026. And uh the

45:29proposed conditions that are currently

45:31before you are the two from the planning

45:33department um which would be the traffic

45:36study and then the second one is the

45:38interior vehicular use area landscaping

45:41for employee parking area shall be

45:43provided in accordance with uh part 12.

45:45The planning commission did not adopt

45:47that second um condition. So that is up

45:50for you all to either accept or or not.

45:53And then um the applicant has also

45:55presented you guys with five um

45:58additional proposed conditions um to uh

46:02mitigate those impacts which include one

46:05water the non-paved roads three times

46:07per day during the operations. Two uh to

46:10water the face of the pile area prior to

46:13the loading of the material.

46:14>> Let's hold on one second. Let's let's

46:15stop right there because we're going to

46:16take these up one by one. I want to

46:18that's how I want to do it. Um, so the

46:21motion with the amen the amend to move

46:24to amend with the conditions which

46:26conditions because we've got like three

46:28sets of conditions listed on here.

46:30>> So first you can move on the table.

46:31>> Yep. So first your uh motion to amend

46:34would be to um to accept the and we can

46:36do a rollup of all of these conditions

46:38for the ones that you guys decide. But

46:40the first amendment is uh to attach the

46:42revised exhibit 3 and exhibit 4.

46:45>> Okay. So committee members, as you can

46:47see on the agenda, the amendments one

46:48and two, the revised exhibit 3 removes

46:50the concrete batching from the PUB.

46:53>> Correct.

46:53>> Right. And then obviously the exhibit 4

46:57is just the site plan.

46:58>> And then the condition would be whether

47:00or not you accept the planning

47:02department's conditions or the or the

47:04planning commission's condition, which

47:05is the removal of that landscaping um uh

47:09requirement.

47:10>> Okay. So do we need to get that on the

47:11record, I guess, from the committee?

47:13>> Correct.

47:13>> Okay. All right. Awesome. So with that,

47:16we will and just to again remind the

47:18committee where we're at. We've got a

47:19motion on these two amendments. The

47:21planning department has made two

47:22conditions. The planning commission

47:24adopted the condition number one left

47:27out planning department's condition

47:29number two. We need to decide if we want

47:31to do planning departments conditions or

47:33planning commission conditions. Correct.

47:36>> Okay. Council member Johnson, you're

47:38recognized.

47:41>> Go ahead. Council member Gaffne, you're

47:42you're recognized.

47:45Thank you through the chair. I need some

47:46clarity between the planning department

47:48and the planning commission. I'm kind of

47:50confused in terms of what the planning

47:51department is recommending and what the

47:53planning commission is recommending. And

47:55what's the difference between the um

47:57conditions?

47:58>> Yep. I'll let Aaron speak to it, but the

48:01difference between the planning

48:02department and planning commission's

48:03condition is

48:04>> if if you I'm sorry. Sorry to interrupt.

48:06If you could keep it in layman terms, I

48:07know you you might give

48:08>> So both Yep. So the planning department

48:10conditions is a traffic study and then

48:12also landscaping uh requirement. The

48:15planning commission only decided to

48:17adopt the traffic study. They removed

48:19the um request for a landscape. Oh, the

48:23only difference from what I heard is the

48:25landscaping requirement. Correct.

48:28>> Okay. And Okay. All right. Thank you.

48:31>> All right. Councilman Johnson, you're

48:32recognized. and through the chair. Right

48:34now, this what we're going to make the

48:37decision on is if we're going to adopt

48:39the planning department conditions, Mr.

48:43Chair, is that correct?

48:44>> So, the conditions. Yeah, we need to

48:46under we the amendment was moved. So, we

48:48need to decide which condition are we

48:51going to adopt both the conditions or

48:53just one?

48:54>> So, as Mr. Dgaffne just stated, the

48:56planning commission adopted the traffic

48:58study. They didn't adopt the landscaping

49:00for the employee parking. So, if we come

49:03to a consensus that we're going to adopt

49:05the planning commission condition, we

49:07will vote on that with the amendment.

49:09>> Let me let me ask Mr. Chair uh while I

49:11have the mic uh to Miss Reed or whomever

49:15from uh the developer

49:19is the condition number two, which is

49:23the landscaping part of the condition.

49:27Um where where do you stand on that? um

49:30through the chair to Councilman Johnson.

49:32Um we would prefer not to have to do the

49:34interior vehicular use area because it's

49:36a private employee parking space. No one

49:38from the public is going to see it. It's

49:39not going to add any benefit. Um at the

49:42planning commission hearing, the

49:43commission agreed with that. Planning

49:44department didn't have an objection. But

49:46if it's your preference to retain that

49:49condition, we're open either way.

49:52>> Okay.

49:54And this does not Mr. chair, we would

49:56then go into the

49:59the amendment is different. Okay. So,

50:01those the amendment that we see that's

50:02different from the condition, correct?

50:05That's not going to be included in

50:06either. We need to decide now whether

50:08we're going to include the the

50:10landscaping or not. Yep.

50:11>> Doesn't include the amendments or the

50:12other proposed conditions that that Miss

50:15Abney brought.

50:15>> Correct. The amendment is is the the

50:17main star show. Miss Abney, you're in

50:20the queue. Did you want to clarify

50:21anything?

50:22>> Yes. Um, following the planning

50:23commission's meeting and the discussion

50:24that was had there, since the property

50:26is not going to be open to the public

50:28and all landscaping is going to be moved

50:29to the perimeter, we are fine not having

50:31the second condition. So, if you want to

50:33just move the planning commission

50:34condition, the one with the traffic

50:36study, then we're fine with that.

50:37>> Okay. Awesome. So, uh, Council Member

50:40Aras, I think, are you in the queue on

50:42the

50:42>> I was going to move exactly that. Move

50:44the planning commission, uh, condition.

50:46>> Okay. Awesome.

50:47>> Does that need to be a motion, Mr.

50:48Harvey?

50:50>> Okay. All right. All right, we'll take a

50:51motion on it. Uh, all in favor of the

50:53planning commission condition signify by

50:55saying I. Any opposed? That condition

50:58carries. So now we are back on the

51:01motion uh on the amendment with the

51:04planning commission condition. Do we

51:05have anyone in the queue on that? Seeing

51:08none, all in favor of the amendment with

51:10the planning commission condition

51:11signify by saying I.

51:13>> Any opposed? The amendment carries. I

51:16need a motion on the bill as amended

51:17with the conditions.

51:22All right, we have a motion and a second

51:24on the bill as amended with the

51:26conditions.

51:27>> Before you guys move that one, are you

51:29going to take up for consideration the

51:31proposed conditions?

51:33>> We were waiting on you, man.

51:37>> Yeah. All right. What what what other

51:38conditions? Oh, yeah. There was a

51:40>> there's five and I can read them out to

51:42you uh in the record or if you want to

51:46take them one by one.

51:48Councilman Johnson, you're recognized.

51:51>> Mr. Chair, when you said we were going

51:52to do the conditions one by one, I was

51:54thinking you meant these conditions, not

51:56those other conditions. So, not the not

51:58the proposed. Are you going to do the

51:59proposed one ones by one, or you going

52:00to roll these up and do these all as

52:01one?

52:02>> We're going to do all these as one. I

52:03meant the other condition. Yeah. All

52:06right. So, Mr. Harvey, go ahead and read

52:07these conditions. We'll we'll vote on

52:09these, roll them up, and then we'll

52:10Yeah. go from there.

52:11>> Great. So, the five conditions are one,

52:13uh, water an unpaved road three times

52:15per day during operations. water the

52:17face of the pile area prior to the

52:19loading of material. Um, have a tripod

52:22portable sprinkler available for windy

52:24days that would potentially create dust.

52:27Um, and also available during piling and

52:30loading of those materials. Install a

52:32sprinkler at the stacking conveyor

52:33discharge point where the material comes

52:35off the conveyor from the rail car to

52:38create the pile. And then finally,

52:39contact, excuse me, contract with a

52:42sweeping company to sweep interior and

52:44ingress egress points one time per week

52:47within the PUD site.

52:51>> All right. All in favor of the proposed

52:53conditions as stated signify by saying

52:55I. Any opposed? Those conditions carry.

52:59And do we need to attach those

53:01conditions to the amendment with the

53:03other conditions?

53:04Okay. All right. Let's do that and go

53:06ahead and roll them up into one

53:07amendment. And now are we in a are we in

53:11a posture where we can get a motion and

53:12a second on the bill as amended?

53:13>> That is correct.

53:14>> Okay, let's do that and then Councilman

53:15Johnson will come to you. So, do we have

53:16a motion on the bill now

53:19from somebody?

53:28>> Yep. Second. Do we have a second? There

53:31we go.

53:32>> All right. All right. All right. So now

53:34we are on the bill as amended with all

53:37of the conditions as stated. Council

53:39member Johnson, you're recognized.

53:42>> Thank you, Mr. uh chair. So let me let

53:45me say one of the reasons that I'm I'm

53:47having a little trepidation. Obviously,

53:49I know this community very well, have

53:51relatives in this community, spent time

53:52there, and I the biggest opposition that

53:56I heard. I went and rode by it, looked

53:58at it, and the biggest opposition I

53:59heard was that the concrete bl batch

54:00plant would cause irreparable harm

54:03environmentally to the community. But I

54:05went out there and I looked at it. I

54:07also uh asked some experts, one of which

54:11um when the concrete batch processing

54:13was removed, I wanted to know is there

54:16an issue with air quality when it

54:18relates to the storage of these items.

54:20And while I certainly appreciate the

54:22anecdotal data that's been provided by

54:24the people that are here, I wanted to

54:26talk to an expert and one of which is

54:27the chief health officer of the city,

54:29Dr. Sil Jooshi. Um, one of the things,

54:31and that was one of the reasons I went

54:32in the back because I wanted to find out

54:34more because some there were some

54:35missing pieces here for me. According to

54:37Dr. Jooshi, which can be found out

54:39publicly at uh, the GISpub.a.gov,

54:44uh, we are in concert with the federal

54:46government, there's an air quality

54:47monitor that monitors air quality

54:50consistently. And this air quality

54:52monitor happens to be located on the

54:54north side just north of 295. But it is

54:57in the area that is in according to

54:59epidemiologists and according to other

55:00experts that is within the radius to be

55:03able to pick up the air quality that

55:04comes from what would happen here in

55:06this processing facility.

55:09according to it right now and I'm

55:12looking at this and it's live data and

55:13you can again find it at air now and

55:15it's an EPA website but it says that the

55:18quality around that area uh where it's

55:21located is above 20 which is optimal

55:25conditions and they've also said that

55:28according to this it does not pose a

55:31problem um based on what is there and

55:34what can be there it doesn't pose a

55:35problem however when I looked at it I

55:37wanted to know more and And I was not

55:39aware of the proposed conditions because

55:41they had not been shared until I had

55:43come here to the meeting this evening

55:44before I made the decision. The proposed

55:46conditions conditions of uh watering

55:49roads uh making sure that it was

55:51mitigated uh ingress egress points all

55:54of the the conditions that have been

55:56proposed seem to overly mitigate issues

55:59that could come about. Um I shared these

56:01with Dr. Johi and he tended tended to

56:03agree with me that it does not seem like

56:06these are um that it's not going to be

56:10as much of a problem with storage as it

56:12is with processing. Additionally, one of

56:15the things that came back to me is, you

56:17know, I'm I'm really big on land use law

56:19and knowing where the law is. I wanted

56:21to look through it. Well, the law says

56:23if they wanted to go store on this site

56:25right now, the developer can do that by

56:28right. uh and so even in the face of

56:31that this group has decided to downgrade

56:35the use of this facility and then they

56:38came about and then came up with five

56:39additional conditions that do not have

56:41to be met and they did it and they did

56:43that based on what the community has

56:45recommended. So based on the data from

56:47Dr. Jooshi based on this air quality

56:50data that I'm seeing I don't see and and

56:52I I want to see some evidence. I mean,

56:54while anecdotal data is important, I

56:56want to see some evidence that says this

56:58is something that's detrimental to the

56:59to the community and as a black person,

57:03uh, you know, I keep hearing it, oh,

57:05well, why are we dumping stuff in the

57:06black community? Well, I may not live in

57:08this community, but I'm of this

57:09community, and I don't see that

57:11happening here. And so, I think we've

57:12had to be um very forthright before

57:15making these kinds of accusations and

57:17coming to the table with our data and

57:20our facts in a row. I just want to put

57:22that on the record that I did the

57:23research and it does not look like it is

57:25as detrimental as some are saying that

57:28it is. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

57:30>> All right. Thank you. Next, we have

57:32Council Member Aras. You're recognized.

57:36>> All right. Thank you, Chair. Um, I I

57:38actually had a question for um the

57:40district council member and it was and

57:42obviously she's not here today, but I

57:44wanted to know from um from I guess

57:46committee horn, whoever wants to speak

57:48on this uh matter, but uh through the

57:51chair if that's okay with you. Um

57:53>> yep, go ahead.

57:54>> You guys had a community meeting. I

57:56heard from the audience right now that

57:57there was about five people in

57:58attendance from the community. Um and I

58:00also wanted, you know, my question was,

58:02you know, who convened this meeting? I'm

58:05assuming it will be district council

58:07member, but there was a lot of people

58:08here last time that we were at um land

58:11use and zoning that knew about this

58:12meeting coming up. So, I wonder like who

58:14dropped the ball here? Was it somebody

58:18from our side? Was the word not spread

58:20out? Like why was there only five people

58:22in opposition? And I'm not saying this

58:24to put anybody on the spot, but I think

58:26that something of this magnitude should

58:27have been really addressed in a larger

58:30group setting. Um my second question to

58:32this would be um we talked a little bit

58:34about environmental quality um concerns

58:38and so at this meeting that you all had,

58:40did you guys invite environmental

58:42quality division from the city of

58:43Jacksonville to attend or was there any

58:45conversations with them at all? because

58:47that's the department in our city that

58:49actually manages this. And I know

58:50council member Johnson was talking about

58:52um another environmental um I guess

58:57organization outside of the city of

58:58Jacksonville, but I want to know like

59:00did anybody from the city of

59:01Jacksonville actually address this

59:03because that's really who I want to hear

59:04from right now. Thank you.

59:06>> Um through the chair, I did not set up

59:08the meeting on October 1st. I was

59:10notified the day before that it was

59:11going to happen and asked to

59:13participate. So, I I did not set it up

59:15or or choose who attended. Um, but it

59:18was a a nice opportunity to have a good

59:20conversation with some people that

59:21actually lived right there in that

59:22neighborhood. Um, the um environmental

59:26quality division. I did reach out to

59:28environmental quality. I couldn't get a

59:29hold of James Richardson. Um, but I did

59:32talk to Charles Hups a little bit, but

59:33that was about the concrete batch plan

59:35at the time that that was going in

59:36because that was the concern and I was

59:37trying to understand EQD's perspective.

59:40Um I defer to um planning department.

59:43Maybe Aaron has had some conversations

59:45additionally with UKD because I know

59:47that there were some questions to the

59:48planning department about that. Um but

59:51they were not in attendance in any of

59:53the meetings.

59:55>> All right. Through the chair um to Miss

59:57Abney. So can we talk about um EQD

1:00:00exactly and to see have they been really

1:00:02conversating with you guys or with

1:00:04anybody? Because like I said, we needed

1:00:06to hear from them. and I don't feel

1:00:07comfortable voting in any direction

1:00:09until I hear from the organization in

1:00:11our city that actually manages this.

1:00:14>> Uh through the chair to council member

1:00:15Arias. So EQD is a reviewer on all our

1:00:18PUB applications. In this case, they did

1:00:20review on the concrete batch plant which

1:00:23they initially did not have major

1:00:25concern saying like we should deny this.

1:00:27They said that obviously permitting goes

1:00:29through uh multiple different

1:00:31organizations um or departments. So,

1:00:34storm water maintenance uh is through

1:00:36St. John's River Water Management. Um uh

1:00:39they do some uh permitting. Um and then

1:00:43for the concrete batch plant itself,

1:00:45that was going to be through the Florida

1:00:46Department of Environmental Protection

1:00:48and they would have to meet all of those

1:00:50regulations since the concrete batch

1:00:52plant has been taken out. We we did not

1:00:55is get new comments back from them, but

1:00:57in this case, it is just storage on the

1:00:59property um which they are entitled to

1:01:02today under the current zoning.

1:01:03>> Got it. Okay. Thank you, chair. I'll

1:01:04hold off the other questions until

1:01:06further later.

1:01:08>> All right. Thank you. And then we have

1:01:10Council Member Johnson for the second

1:01:11time. Go ahead, sir.

1:01:12>> Thank you. Thank you. Sorry to pull on

1:01:14this issue because I wanted now that we

1:01:16presented these new conditions. If if I

1:01:18may, can I ask a question through the

1:01:20chair to uh Mr. Chair, Pastor Barnes,

1:01:23I'm just I'm assuming that you're pretty

1:01:24much the representative for the

1:01:26community. I know we talked in the back.

1:01:27My question for you and if you could

1:01:28elaborate uh where you are, do these

1:01:32proposed conditions and this additional

1:01:35uh these additional insights that have

1:01:37been brought on at least for me with the

1:01:39EPA with and and while I do understand

1:01:41to councilman areas um it it it sounds

1:01:44like it's an outside entity being the

1:01:46EPA, but it's in conjunction with us. So

1:01:49it's a collective that we use so that

1:01:51we're not just doing it ourselves, but

1:01:52if the federal government's doing it,

1:01:53we're using it together. was not

1:01:54technically outside. But to you, Pastor

1:01:57Barnes, does this assuage your concerns

1:01:59or does it amplify them?

1:02:01>> Absolutely not. And let me share uh

1:02:05Councilman

1:02:06um Raul uh asked the question, who

1:02:10dropped the ball? It wasn't our end. The

1:02:13councilwoman, Jacobe Pitman, held a

1:02:17community meeting at that time. During

1:02:20that community meeting, this was a

1:02:22concrete batch plant for manufacturing.

1:02:26Things changed. The uh developer, the

1:02:29representative for the developer has

1:02:31mentioned that meetings were held. It

1:02:34was with five people.

1:02:37Those five people do not represent this

1:02:40community no more than me standing up

1:02:43here by myself. There should have been a

1:02:46community conversation to apprise the

1:02:49community of the amendments that have

1:02:52been proposed here. I am not I don't

1:02:55have the authority or the expertise to

1:02:58say whether or not what has been

1:03:00proposed and agreed on by you by way of

1:03:03amendments is reasonable. We need an

1:03:06expert to do that. We have not had an

1:03:09expert to share with the community

1:03:12whether these amendments are acceptable.

1:03:14Last thing I'm going to say, I know this

1:03:16commission works on facts, but you have

1:03:19a bunch of people sitting in this room

1:03:21who have historically felt as if

1:03:24decisions about the community and the

1:03:26land around where they live, those

1:03:28decisions have been taken away from

1:03:30them. There has to be conversation.

1:03:33There has to be collaboration in order

1:03:36for us to understand the facts so that

1:03:38we can respond appropriately. So with

1:03:41that, I still recommend that you vote no

1:03:43on the ordinance.

1:03:46>> Councilman Johnson, you still have the

1:03:47floor unless you're ready to yield your

1:03:50time.

1:03:50>> Uh I think um I I've heard all that we

1:03:54do. Are there any experts

1:03:56environmentally? Do we have any

1:03:58audience? Any environmental? So, so

1:03:59before we before we go down and and I'll

1:04:01entertain that, but before we go down

1:04:03this this rabbit hole, I I I really just

1:04:05want to get us on the right track here

1:04:07because

1:04:07>> what my understanding is and and this is

1:04:11me just not knowing anything about

1:04:13concrete batching. Right. The air

1:04:15quality control is a problem if there's

1:04:16concrete batching, not storage. Correct.

1:04:21Can someone answer that from planning

1:04:23department?

1:04:25They can't answer

1:04:28>> to the chair. That is our understanding.

1:04:31>> Okay. So, with the storage, what are

1:04:34they storing? Because they're allowed to

1:04:36do that today. So, what's what are they

1:04:38storing? Concrete, pounds of concrete.

1:04:40>> I believe this is the material that they

1:04:42would use to make concrete. So, the

1:04:45items would be brought to the site and

1:04:47instead of mixing it, it's just going to

1:04:49be stored on site and then taken off

1:04:51site to be mixed somewhere else.

1:04:53>> Okay. Um and and would EQD evaluate this

1:04:59the same whether they were having a

1:05:01concrete batch plant or not?

1:05:04>> EQD would still be a reviewer. So when

1:05:06they go through civil plan review, EQD

1:05:08is a reviewer on that and they will have

1:05:10to meet all the regulations of the

1:05:11environmental quality division depending

1:05:13upon the type of use that they're doing

1:05:14whether it's just storage concrete back

1:05:16niching or or vice versa.

1:05:19>> Okay. And as it stands today, let's just

1:05:22say this PUB fails and goes away,

1:05:28they can still do everything they're

1:05:29asking to do. Can we get that on the

1:05:31record

1:05:33>> uh through the chair? Yes. Usewise, yes.

1:05:35They are within this PUD still asking

1:05:37for a parking increase and some

1:05:38landscaping deviations, but they

1:05:40theoretically could come back later with

1:05:41an administrative deviation to handle

1:05:43those items.

1:05:45>> Okay.

1:05:46So that

1:05:50so I think this is where it's at. They

1:05:52originally came in, this is to the

1:05:54community. I believe the applicant came

1:05:56in originally asking for a concrete

1:05:58batch processing plant that got taken

1:06:00out. That was basically the only thing

1:06:03in the PUD that was causing it to be a

1:06:06PUD, which is a plan unit development,

1:06:07which is a type of zoning because they

1:06:10are not allowed to do that by right. So

1:06:13now that is not a part of the PUD.

1:06:16So theoretically what we just heard is

1:06:18they don't even need a PUD. Um so

1:06:20whether we vote this up or down, it's

1:06:23sort of a moot point so to speak because

1:06:26they could go do what they're asking for

1:06:28technically by right regard aside from a

1:06:31parking increase and whatever else. So,

1:06:34for the sake of the argument committee,

1:06:36we need to stay on that, not

1:06:39all of these other little side trails

1:06:42that are that are going all over the

1:06:44place because they have made a major

1:06:46amendment and we need to focus on that.

1:06:48That is what we are voting on. That's

1:06:49the motion on the table. So, this is me

1:06:53putting us right on the on the right

1:06:55track. So, that that is where we're at.

1:06:57Council member Diamond, you're

1:06:58recognized.

1:07:00>> Question.

1:07:00>> Nope.

1:07:05That that's fine. I was just going to

1:07:06call the question. I'm ready to vote.

1:07:08>> Council member White, you're recognized.

1:07:11>> Yes, sir. Through the chair. Alone asked

1:07:13exactly the same thing you asked, I

1:07:15think, but in a different way.

1:07:18If

1:07:19this failed, they could still go back

1:07:21tomorrow and build the concrete batch. I

1:07:25mean, they could build what they wanted

1:07:26to build with no conditions at all,

1:07:28these extra conditions. Is that what I'm

1:07:30hearing? uh through the chair to

1:07:31Councilman White. Yes. And the PUD also

1:07:34removed some um uses that they're

1:07:36allowed by right today, like the um bulk

1:07:38storage yard.

1:07:38>> So, we're really voting more in the PUD

1:07:40about the landscaping than we are. We're

1:07:42just getting some extra conditions,

1:07:44>> correct?

1:07:45>> Grace that they're giving us of

1:07:46something they can do already.

1:07:47>> Correct.

1:07:48>> Thank you,

1:07:49>> Council Member Aras, you're recognized.

1:07:51>> Yeah. Thank you, Chair. to my to Council

1:07:54Member White's point, um the way I see

1:07:56it is exactly what you just elaborated

1:07:58on and Council White is the fact that

1:08:00we're voting on uh the parking and the

1:08:02landscaping. This is actually a benefit

1:08:04to the community to have this added into

1:08:06it, this this language right here. So,

1:08:09um if we don't vote it up today, what's

1:08:11going to happen is they're going to come

1:08:13back for a deviation for parking later

1:08:16on, but they're not going to have these

1:08:18um provisions in in there included as

1:08:20well. So, I think the win-win for the

1:08:22community would be um vote it up today,

1:08:25add all this in there. That way, you

1:08:27guys are protected from any other um

1:08:29adverse, you know, issues with with dust

1:08:32and all that, if any, and then um have

1:08:35them let them get their parking.

1:08:36Otherwise, they're going to come back

1:08:37for the parking without this. So, the

1:08:39way I see it is um it would be a win for

1:08:42the community to vote it up today and to

1:08:44protect you guys with with this language

1:08:46here. Thank you.

1:08:47>> All right. Thank you, Council Member

1:08:48Aras. And ju just to echo um some of the

1:08:53sentiments there because an

1:08:54administrative deviation that doesn't

1:08:56come to this committee, right? That is

1:08:58where does that does that go to staff or

1:09:00does it just go to planning commission?

1:09:03>> It would be the zoning administrator.

1:09:05>> Okay, so staff. So, so not to get too

1:09:08far in the weeds, but just again

1:09:10community, I know this is a lot of

1:09:12terminology and it's probably maybe

1:09:14going over your heads, but this is this

1:09:16is what I want to communicate. If this

1:09:18PUD fails, they will go and do exactly

1:09:22what they're asking to do today without

1:09:24any of these five things. Now, what is

1:09:29on this list of five things are act are

1:09:33sprinklers for dust that's being created

1:09:36and sprinklers over their stacking

1:09:39conveyor belt, discharge point, yada

1:09:41yada. that will not be on an

1:09:44administrative deviation because the

1:09:46administrative deviation will just be

1:09:47for the parking. So when you have a PUD,

1:09:51you can create additional conditions

1:09:55that contain things like dust

1:09:59that doesn't exist today if they were to

1:10:01go and just do their storage um as it

1:10:05stands right now. So to Council Member

1:10:07Aries's point, that is a good thing.

1:10:10That is an additional protection.

1:10:13Whether y'all see that or not, it is

1:10:16that protection would not even be

1:10:18available if let's just say they

1:10:21withdrew this and went just for an

1:10:23administrative deviation. So just

1:10:25getting that kind of all on the record,

1:10:26but council member Gaffne, you are

1:10:28recognized.

1:10:30>> Thank you through the chair for clarity.

1:10:32So if they wanted to do a concrete batch

1:10:34plant, it wouldn't come before city

1:10:36council, right? it would go before the

1:10:38zoning administrator to the planning

1:10:40department through the chair

1:10:41>> through the chair to councilman Gaffne

1:10:43knows. So they would have to reszone in

1:10:44order to have that use. So if that is

1:10:47what they want to do on the property in

1:10:48the future, we would have to go back

1:10:50through this entire process.

1:10:51>> So it still would come before council.

1:10:52Okay. All right. Um colleagues, I'm

1:10:54going to put it on the record. I'm I'm

1:10:56still a no. I'm opposed. If it was up to

1:10:58me, if it was my district, we'll be

1:11:00having another meeting next week. I

1:11:02understand I'm only one colleague up

1:11:04here. I'd be deferring it. But I know I

1:11:06don't want to waste you guys time. I

1:11:07don't want to waste the community time.

1:11:09But if it's up to me,

1:11:11you know, the community still have

1:11:13questions, but I'm going to be a no. But

1:11:14like I said, I know I'm on one vote, so

1:11:16that's why I'm at tonight.

1:11:18>> Okay. Um,

1:11:21Cris, you want to speak? Okay, go ahead.

1:11:24Thank you, chair.

1:11:24>> Um, community, I don't have to explain

1:11:28my vote, but I'm going to explain it

1:11:29very quick, and I already did. But if it

1:11:31was my district, I would vote yes right

1:11:34now cuz it literally protects you guys.

1:11:37That's at the end of the day, it

1:11:38protects you guys. This language does.

1:11:41Um if it wasn't for anything else, if it

1:11:44was a concrete pl um batch, whatever

1:11:47they were going to do, I would have

1:11:48voted that down in a heartbeat, 100%.

1:11:51But the fact that they could come back

1:11:53at any time without our approval and

1:11:56they go straight to a different

1:11:57department, they'll get it done. they'll

1:12:00get it passed. So, if it was my

1:12:01district, I would protect you guys and

1:12:03say yes 100%. Even if it's an ugly yes,

1:12:07at the end of the day, not everything

1:12:08that's yes is pretty or not, but at the

1:12:10end of the day, this does protect you

1:12:12guys. So, just wanted to explain why I

1:12:13will be voting yes on this because I

1:12:15really want to protect you guys. If it

1:12:16wasn't if they didn't withdraw their

1:12:18concrete platch thing, it would have

1:12:20been shut down in a heartbeat. Thank

1:12:22you. All right. And and just Miss Reed,

1:12:26this you gave this to us. Do you have

1:12:28any more copies of this?

1:12:32Your your five proposed conditions,

1:12:36>> the chair, I have a couple more.

1:12:38>> Okay. Community, I'm assuming you guys

1:12:40haven't seen this.

1:12:41>> No.

1:12:42>> Okay. Can you hand that out to some of

1:12:43the community? Because I I think that's

1:12:46causing some of this frustration and

1:12:49that's we're sitting here looking at it

1:12:51and the just to state it again because

1:12:55we stated it very quickly and as she's

1:12:56handing this out, they're going to

1:13:00What's that?

1:13:01They're They'll be fine. They'll be

1:13:03fine. If we could put it on the screens

1:13:05that'd be great. But um

1:13:09>> so I'll just read it and they have a

1:13:10couple copies going around, but the

1:13:13applicant has agreed to water the

1:13:16non-paved roads three times a day during

1:13:19operation. So obviously there's going to

1:13:21be trucks driving on non-paved roads,

1:13:23which kicks up dust. They're agreeing to

1:13:26water those roads uh so the dust on

1:13:28those roads is

1:13:31minimal. They're going to water the

1:13:33piles of concrete or stone or whatever

1:13:37before loading the material. If it's

1:13:38just sitting there, less dust is going

1:13:40to be kicked up as if you're loading it.

1:13:42So, if they're scooping it up, they're

1:13:43going to uh drench it with water before

1:13:46they load it up, causing obviously less

1:13:49dust. They're going to have sprinklers

1:13:51available on windy days that could

1:13:52potentially create dust, install a

1:13:54sprinkler system on the stacking uh

1:13:56conveyor discharge point where the

1:13:58material comes off the conveyor belt,

1:14:00and then they're going to contract with

1:14:02the sweeping company to sweep the

1:14:03interior uh ingress and eress points one

1:14:06time a week. So what we're saying is

1:14:09these these five conditions are going to

1:14:12minimize a lot if not I won't say all

1:14:17because I know that's a absolute but a

1:14:21lot of the dust and what we're trying to

1:14:23communicate is the only way for the

1:14:26applicant the only way you get these

1:14:28five things is through a PUD not an

1:14:32administrative deviation that is

1:14:34technically all they need right now but

1:14:36we are where we are and that is why

1:14:40we're going to you know that's why we

1:14:42already I think we already adopted these

1:14:43five conditions correct okay all right

1:14:47so

1:14:49with that we have no one else in the

1:14:52queue right okay anyone else want to

1:14:55speak we're on the bill right as amended

1:14:59we're on the bill as amended with the

1:15:00conditions okay all right we will open

1:15:03the ballot record votes

1:15:14Five yays, two nays.

1:15:16>> Buyer action, you have approved 2026 532

1:15:19as amended with the conditions.

1:15:22Item number nine, 2026 556 is deferred

1:15:25with a public hearing next cycle on

1:15:26102026.

1:15:28Item number 10, 2026 5557. Council

1:15:31members, please declare your exparte

1:15:32communication at this time. All right.

1:15:37>> Seeing none, I have exparte to uh

1:15:41declare. I met with Cindy Trimmer in my

1:15:43office on August 26th at 10:30 and we

1:15:45discussed the uh legislation in the site

1:15:48plan and this uh paperwork is being

1:15:50filed with legislative services. Council

1:15:52member Aras, you're recognized.

1:15:53>> Thank you, Chair. I also like to declare

1:15:54exparte. I met with the applicant Cindy

1:15:56Trimmer uh via phone call on September

1:15:5824th and it is currently being filed.

1:16:00Thank you.

1:16:01>> All right. Hey, we have no other

1:16:02speakers in the queue for exparte. Let's

1:16:04open the Oh, let's get a Let's open the

1:16:06public hearing and get a staff report.

1:16:09>> This is PUD reszoning application

1:16:12ordinance 2026557

1:16:14requesting to reszone approximately

1:16:1615.41 acres for a property that's

1:16:19located along AC Skinner Parkway. They

1:16:21are reszoning from industrial business

1:16:23park to a PUD to allow to in order to

1:16:26allow for a mixeduse dining,

1:16:27entertainment, and retail establishment,

1:16:29which would include a full service

1:16:31restaurant, bar, billiards hall, and

1:16:33sales of related merchandise within an

1:16:35existing business park. The proposed PED

1:16:38would continue to permit the full range

1:16:40of IBP uses, but would allow additional

1:16:42commercial retail and service uses that

1:16:45support the requested restaurant and

1:16:47entertainment venue. No new construction

1:16:49is proposed. The PUD is designed to

1:16:51provide sight specific standards for

1:16:53shared parking, propertywide

1:16:55landscaping, signage, and setbacks

1:16:57within the integrated business park. We

1:16:59find the request to be consistent with

1:17:01the comp plan. The PUB meets the

1:17:03internal and external compatibility

1:17:04criteria. The proposal is located within

1:17:07an existing park surrounded on all sides

1:17:09by business park designation and IBP

1:17:12zoning with wetlands that buffer

1:17:14residential uses to the east. The

1:17:16mixeduse dining and entertainment

1:17:17establishment is complimentary to

1:17:20surrounding office, medical, and

1:17:21business park developments. Um, traffic

1:17:24impacts are expected to be manageable.

1:17:26AC Skinner Parkway is operating at 19%

1:17:29capacity. So, for these reasons and

1:17:30those in the staff report, we forward a

1:17:32recommendation of approval with two

1:17:34conditions and a revised exhibit three

1:17:36and four in your agenda. Thank you.

1:17:39>> All right. Thank you. One speaker card,

1:17:41Richie Melany.

1:17:43>> Richie Melany with Driver McAfee. one

1:17:45independent drive suite 1200. On behalf

1:17:47of the applicant, I'm here today

1:17:49representing on Q. They're excited to

1:17:51open for business here in Jacksonville.

1:17:53Um, as Aaron mentioned, they'd like to

1:17:55open a mixeduse entertainment uh venue

1:17:58in a portion of an existing building in

1:18:01an office park. This will feature a full

1:18:03service restaurant and bar as well as a

1:18:05billiard's lounge. And this is a PUD

1:18:07before you today for several reasons to

1:18:10add the specific mix of uses including

1:18:12the pool hall uh as well as establish um

1:18:16propertywide design guidelines given the

1:18:19shared parking and shared um amenities

1:18:21of the of the office park. And it's also

1:18:24a PUD to include the use of the sale of

1:18:27alcohol. And built into it is a waiver

1:18:30of liquor distance for the church that

1:18:32is also a part of this business park but

1:18:35in a separate building um separate

1:18:37standalone building. Um with that I will

1:18:40stand by for questions. Thank you.

1:18:43>> All right. Thank you sir. We have no

1:18:46other speaker cards. So we will close

1:18:48the public hearing and bring back to

1:18:49committee.

1:18:52>> The amendment.

1:18:53>> All right. We have a We have a motion

1:18:55and a second on the amendment with

1:18:57conditions. All in favor of the

1:18:58amendment signify by saying I.

1:19:01>> Any oppose? The amendment carries.

1:19:04>> We have a motion and a second on the

1:19:05bill as amended.

1:19:08And we have no one in the queue. I just

1:19:10want to make sure um this is district 11

1:19:14um which is council member Aras's. Uh

1:19:18Mr. Melany, have you reached out to the

1:19:20district council person?

1:19:22I I

1:19:24>> did you speak to him? Whether you

1:19:26reached out or not is kind of, you know,

1:19:27a

1:19:28>> I personally did did not. I personally

1:19:30did not.

1:19:35>> Council, I'm a little behind the

1:19:36eight-ball on this, I guess. I don't

1:19:37know. I'm sorry.

1:19:38>> Uh, thank you, chair, for that.

1:19:40>> That was a cool.

1:19:41>> Yeah. Unfortunately, he did not he

1:19:42didn't do his due diligence or homework,

1:19:45whatever you want to call it. But, um,

1:19:47thankfully for him, he does have Cindy

1:19:49Trimmer as his teammate. and um she did

1:19:52reach out to me and spoke to me about it

1:19:54and all the great things that they're

1:19:55going to bring. So um thank you Cindy.

1:19:57You're the best.

1:20:01>> Do we need to do we need to defer this

1:20:05council?

1:20:06>> Um first thing I wouldn't defer it, but

1:20:09for him I probably would have. Yeah,

1:20:10absolutely.

1:20:11>> Okay. All right. So we got a motion and

1:20:13a second on the amendment with

1:20:14conditions, right? Okay. All right. We

1:20:18are good to go. Let's open the ballot.

1:20:19Record your vote.

1:20:29Six yays, zero nays.

1:20:31>> By action, you've approved 2026 557.

1:20:33>> Thank you.

1:20:34>> All right.

1:20:37Next up, we have 2026 5558.

1:20:45We will open the public hearing and we

1:20:48don't have a staff report because it's

1:20:49not up for action until 10:20,

1:20:53but we have a couple speaker cards. I

1:20:55think most of them might have left.

1:21:02Uh Lynette White

1:21:05is in opposition.

1:21:07Willie Barnes is in opposition. Peggy

1:21:10Wiggins is in opposition. Nancy Mary

1:21:13Nancy Murray Settle is in opposition.

1:21:16Brenda Smith opposition.

1:21:19Tam Simmons is in opposition. Wells Todd

1:21:21is in opposition.

1:21:27Um

1:21:29Gwindela Thomas opposition. Andre

1:21:31Washington opposition. Lee Leroy

1:21:35Hutchkins

1:21:36opposition. Brenda Simmons Hutchkins.

1:21:40Avisu,

1:21:42Ivette Sanchez, all these are in

1:21:44opposition. Paul Forhan, Christopher

1:21:47Robinson,

1:21:49Jaclyn Harris, Leavonne Mitchell,

1:21:52Beatatrice Matthews, Samantha series,

1:21:57Latrice Smith,

1:22:00Harold Pierce, Brenda Forhan, Wy Thomas,

1:22:06um Dr. Keshan Chainless, Will Simmons,

1:22:10Loretta Chopic

1:22:13and

1:22:15Roslin Snow Smith, Jamie Travis Leonard,

1:22:18Gloria Gardner,

1:22:20Wanita Simmons, Kimberly Morrison,

1:22:24Alfreda Densen Butler, AV Co Avery

1:22:28Cohen, and India Butler. Um,

1:22:34hold on. Geez.

1:22:36All right, Mr. uh Harvey, it says on

1:22:40here that we are opening and continue

1:22:43this public hearing at the request of

1:22:45the applicant. Is that correct?

1:22:50>> If we wanted to move this tonight, could

1:22:52we?

1:22:53>> He's not here and you didn't get a staff

1:22:55report. Um, so

1:22:57>> is the staff report ready?

1:23:03And because you've also continued the

1:23:06public hearing um with the public

1:23:10noticing being done at that time uh it

1:23:12would be best practice not to move on or

1:23:15act on that uh bill tonight.

1:23:17>> Okay. So we will need to continue we

1:23:21have to stay on the continuence until

1:23:2310226.

1:23:24>> That is correct.

1:23:25>> Okay. All right.

1:23:28Hopefully Mr. Hart uh heard that loud

1:23:30and clear. With that, we'll go on to

1:23:33item number 12, 2026 647. Let's open the

1:23:37public hearing and get a staff report.

1:23:39>> Ordinance 2026 647 is a large-scale land

1:23:44use amendment to change approximately

1:23:4689.17

1:23:48acres from light industrial in the

1:23:51industrial situational compatibility

1:23:53area to heavy industrial in the

1:23:56industrial sanctuary area. The site is

1:23:59located on the northwest corner of

1:24:01Picketville Road and Commonwealth

1:24:02Avenue, approximately a quarter mile

1:24:05west of I295. Picketville is a collector

1:24:08road and Commonwealth is a minor

1:24:10arterial road. There are rail lines that

1:24:12run along the north and west property

1:24:15lines. Um there's industrial located to

1:24:18the north, west, east, and south of the

1:24:20subject site. The entire site is located

1:24:23within an industrial situational

1:24:26compatibility area. Uh so in addition to

1:24:28the land use amendment, the applicant

1:24:30has requested to change the industrial

1:24:33preservation map to place the site

1:24:36within the industrial sanctuary area.

1:24:39Both designations are identified on the

1:24:41industrial preservation map as being

1:24:44strategically located for industrial

1:24:45uses. Industrial situational

1:24:48compatibility. Um those are areas that

1:24:51may be suitable for industrial uses

1:24:53under certain conditions. Industrial

1:24:56sanctuaries are uh existing industrial

1:24:59areas that are strategically located for

1:25:01future industrial expansion and economic

1:25:04development. The land use amendment to

1:25:06heavy industrial is in keeping with the

1:25:09industrial land uses found in the

1:25:10immediate area and is compatible with

1:25:13the abuing rail lines. The property has

1:25:15convenient access to Commonwealth

1:25:17Avenue, a minor arterial road, and is

1:25:19located less than a quarter of a mile

1:25:21from I295, which is also a preferred

1:25:23truck route. uh this is the transmitter

1:25:26round of legislation for this

1:25:28large-scale land use amendment. So it

1:25:31will go to the state agencies for review

1:25:34and then when it comes back for adoption

1:25:36there will also be a planned unit

1:25:38development reszoning along with it um

1:25:42to to travel with it for the adoption

1:25:44round. Uh for these reasons and those in

1:25:46the staff report, the plan department

1:25:47recommends approval. Planning Commission

1:25:49heard this item on September 17th and

1:25:52they unanimously voted to approve the

1:25:55item with no discussion. Thank you.

1:25:59>> All right. Thank you so much for that.

1:26:02First speaker, Cindy Trimmer.

1:26:09>> Good evening. Cindy Trimmer, one

1:26:11independent drive sweet 1200. On behalf

1:26:13of the applicant, Susan did a wonderful

1:26:15job of highlighting all of the reasons

1:26:17this site is particularly attractive to

1:26:19a large-scale manufacturing facility

1:26:21that is evaluating opening shop in

1:26:24Jacksonville. As Susan mentioned, we're

1:26:26in the industrial situational

1:26:28compatibility zone. The request for

1:26:31industrial sanctuary is because of the

1:26:33scale of this project and the investment

1:26:35that this manufacturer would be making

1:26:37in Jacksonville. They're seeking that

1:26:39heightened protection where there is a

1:26:41presumption that industrial is

1:26:42appropriate and also the protections

1:26:44against future encroachment from

1:26:47residential or other uses that might not

1:26:48be compatible with industrial uses. With

1:26:51that, I will stand by for questions.

1:26:57>> All right. Thank you. Next, we have

1:26:58Samantha series is in opposition does

1:27:00not wish to speak. Jamie Travis Leonard,

1:27:02opposition, does not wish to speak. With

1:27:04that, we'll close the public hearing and

1:27:05bring back to committee.

1:27:08All right, we have an amendment.

1:27:10>> Mr. Harvey, can you explain the

1:27:11amendment?

1:27:15>> Mr. Harvey, explain the amendment.

1:27:17>> Yes, the amendment is to uh adopt the

1:27:19revised exhibit 2.

1:27:22>> All right, we have a motion to second on

1:27:25the amendment, which is a revised

1:27:26exhibit two. All in favor of the

1:27:28amendment signify by saying I. Any

1:27:30opposed? The amendment carries.

1:27:32>> Motion to second on the bill as amended.

1:27:34No one in the queue. Open the ballot.

1:27:35Record your vote.

1:27:40Y

1:27:45>> 5 yay zero nays by

1:27:47>> direction you've approved 2026 647 item

1:27:50number 13 2026 648 let's open the public

1:27:52hearing and get a staff report

1:27:55>> ordinance 2026 648 is for a large-scale

1:27:58land use amendment to change

1:27:59approximately 300.87

1:28:0187 acres from agriculture to rural

1:28:04residential to develop single family

1:28:06residential uses. The subject site is

1:28:09comprised of portions of six parcels and

1:28:11the site lies within both the suburban

1:28:14area and the rural area. The area

1:28:16stretches from north to south between

1:28:18Plameumber Road and Garden Street

1:28:20approximately four miles west of the

1:28:22I295 News Road interchange and

1:28:25approximately three miles east of the

1:28:27Duvall Nassau County line. Plumber Road

1:28:30and Garden Street are both collector

1:28:32roadways. Uh the site is primarily

1:28:34undeveloped in the Trout Creek and Trout

1:28:37River flow uh through the middle of the

1:28:40site. This is the transmitter round of

1:28:42legislation for this large-scale

1:28:44amendment. So um again, when this after

1:28:47it goes to state review, it'll come back

1:28:49through for the adoption round and a PUD

1:28:52resoning will be filed with it at that

1:28:53time. The PUD will cover a larger area

1:28:57um including land to the north of the

1:28:59subject site that fronts along Plumber

1:29:00Road. Um the area is uh primarily

1:29:05residential and agricultural with

1:29:07undeveloped land around the Trout River

1:29:09um and the associated wetlands. The

1:29:11proposed amendment to rural residential

1:29:13provides a logical extension of the

1:29:16existing um RR designation to the north

1:29:19while remaining consistent with the

1:29:21density and intensity of uses allowed in

1:29:23the corresponding suburban and rural

1:29:25areas. Um the maximum density for these

1:29:29for this land use category is two

1:29:31dwelling units per acre. RR is a land

1:29:34use category that primarily allows for

1:29:36single family residential and the

1:29:38proposed land use amendment would allow

1:29:40for an increase in the amount of

1:29:42residential land available to

1:29:44accommodate anticipated growth and

1:29:46provide lifestyle choice for residents.

1:29:49Um for these reasons and those in the

1:29:51staff report, the plan department

1:29:52recommends approval. The item was heard

1:29:54at the September 17th planning

1:29:56commission. Um and the item was

1:29:59unanimously approved with a minimal

1:30:01discussion. Thank you. All right. Thank

1:30:03you, Sharon. Next, we have Hayden

1:30:05Phillips.

1:30:06>> Thank you, Hayden Phillips, 1301

1:30:08Riverplace Boulevard. This is only the

1:30:11transmitt round for a large scale land

1:30:13use amendment. Um, it will come back to

1:30:15you for the adoption round with the

1:30:17companion PUD. Um, AGR to RR. It's just

1:30:22one step up in intensity. Um, maximum

1:30:26two units per acre. It actually abuts

1:30:28LDR, which we are notably not asking

1:30:30for. The site is currently a few large

1:30:33borrow pits. Um, this will of course

1:30:36enable the PUD which will be for single

1:30:39family uses along with a substantial

1:30:41amount of open space. Um,

1:30:45it will fit in with the mix of uses in

1:30:46the area. And as Miss Kelly just stated,

1:30:49it'll be a logical extension of the RR

1:30:52that abuts the site to the east and the

1:30:54north. We actually did host a community

1:30:56meeting. We did coordinate with the

1:30:58district council person um and only a

1:31:02couple people showed up to the citizens

1:31:04information meeting with with general

1:31:06questions. I gave them my information

1:31:07and and I have not heard from anyone. So

1:31:10I'll stand by for questions. Thank you.

1:31:11>> All right. Thank you, Mr. Phillips. We

1:31:13have no other speakers in the queue.

1:31:15Let's close the public hearing and bring

1:31:16it back to committee.

1:31:18>> Motion to second on the bill. No one in

1:31:19the queue. Open the ballot. Court your

1:31:20vote.

1:31:28Five. Yay. Zero nays.

1:31:30>> By direction approved 2026 648.

1:31:34Item number 14 2026 649. Let's open the

1:31:38public hearing and get a staff report.

1:31:40>> Ordinance 2026 649 is for a smallcale

1:31:44land use amendment at 5529 Floral Bluff

1:31:48Road. The request is to change

1:31:50approximately

1:31:5146 of an acre from low density

1:31:53residential to medium density

1:31:55residential to allow for two duplexes.

1:31:58The subject site was previously occupied

1:32:00by a single family dwelling, but it is

1:32:02now vacant. The subject site is located

1:32:05on Floral Bluff Road between University

1:32:07Boulevard North and Harvey Street.

1:32:09Floral Bluff and Harvey Street are local

1:32:11roads and University Boulevard is a

1:32:13minor arterial road. The site is within

1:32:16the Renew Arlington CRA and was reviewed

1:32:19by their advisory board on August 12th.

1:32:22The board vote the board unanimously

1:32:24voted to recommend approval of the

1:32:25request. LDR designations um are to the

1:32:30northwest and south um of the subject

1:32:33site and CGC community general

1:32:36commercial abuts the subject site to the

1:32:39east along uh University Boulevard.

1:32:41Given this location between a commercial

1:32:43corridor and a residential neighborhood,

1:32:46the vacant lot provides an appropriate

1:32:48location for the proposed MDR category,

1:32:51establishing a gradual transition of

1:32:53density from the CGC to the LDR. The

1:32:57site has access to water and sewer

1:32:58connections, and the proposed MDR

1:33:00designation would support the balanced

1:33:03combination of uses in the area while

1:33:05providing additional housing

1:33:06opportunities on a u currently vacant

1:33:09property. So, for these reasons and

1:33:11those in the staff report, the planning

1:33:13department recommends approval, the

1:33:15planning commission heard this item on

1:33:16September 17th, and they voted uh

1:33:19unanimously to approve the item uh with

1:33:21minimal discussion. Thank you.

1:33:23>> All right. Thank you, Shannon. Is is

1:33:26Jack Morgan here? Okay. Did you fill out

1:33:29a speaker card?

1:33:34Uh, we don't have a speaker card for

1:33:36you, but in order to speak, we need you

1:33:39to fill one of those out. So, if you

1:33:41want, you can go ahead and speak and

1:33:42we'll get you a card to fill out.

1:33:44>> Oh, yes, sir. I just want

1:33:46>> Just name and address for starter. Yeah.

1:33:48>> Okay. Um, my name is Jack Morgan. Uh, my

1:33:52address is 5467 West Beaver Street.

1:33:56And I just want to say that uh we are we

1:33:59plan to build two apartment buildings,

1:34:04uh, four unit, three bedroomedroom, um,

1:34:06units on that property.

1:34:09Uh, we wanted to be consistent with the

1:34:11improvements that's been made along the

1:34:14University Boulevard and to kind of

1:34:18match the, excuse me, the improvements

1:34:21that was done on the southside connector

1:34:23apartment complexes that over there. We

1:34:25wanted to kind of favor that style

1:34:29um so that uh it will look u have have

1:34:33an aesthetic appearance for the

1:34:35community.

1:34:36>> Okay, great. Thank you so much. And uh

1:34:40Miss Rebecca, if you can get him a card

1:34:42or something and and we'll we'll go

1:34:44ahead and close the public. Well,

1:34:46Council Member Caro, do you want to

1:34:47speak?

1:34:49>> Okay, go ahead.

1:34:50>> Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. The uh

1:34:51district council's not here. The

1:34:53district councilman. I just want to

1:34:54assume that you met with council member

1:34:55Amaro.

1:34:59Uh for you, Mr. uh Morgan, did you meet

1:35:02with council member Amaro?

1:35:08Mr. Morgan,

1:35:10>> the question was uh for you, sir. Did

1:35:12you meet with the district councilman,

1:35:13Council Member Kenaro?

1:35:15>> Uh

1:35:17I did not meet with him, no, sir.

1:35:19>> Okay.

1:35:20>> But the u the owner did, I'm pretty

1:35:22sure.

1:35:22>> Okay. Somebody did.

1:35:24>> Yes.

1:35:24>> Okay. Um, we have a member from his

1:35:26staff um here. If you wouldn't mind,

1:35:27sir, you can have a seat. Mr. um Joe Joe

1:35:32Mr. Mr. Mr. Johnson, forgive me. Mr.

1:35:36>> Mr. Johnson, uh the representative from

1:35:38uh District 1, could you confirm that uh

1:35:42uh your council member is aware of this

1:35:44and doesn't have any issues? It it's it

1:35:46sounds like a quadplex. I just want to

1:35:47make sure. Sometimes people stick these

1:35:49things places they don't belong. It's

1:35:51your district. Uh just wanted to know if

1:35:53you uh if your boss had any heartburn

1:35:55over this or you good?

1:35:56>> Absolutely. Uh Joe Johnson, executive

1:35:58council assistant for Councilman

1:35:59Canamero. Uh we did previously meet with

1:36:02the owner prior to this getting uh

1:36:03filed. So we are aware of the the

1:36:06proposal, the project and everything. So

1:36:08we've had a very thorough discussion

1:36:10with them. We were also aware of the

1:36:11discussion that happened at the Renew

1:36:12Arlington CRA. And um that's it.

1:36:16>> Okay. Well, thank you, sir. That's just

1:36:19want to make sure we check that box.

1:36:20>> All right. Stay put. Mr. Johnson, we

1:36:22have Council Member Diamond is on the on

1:36:24the queue. Go ahead.

1:36:25>> Through the chair and Mr. Johnson, did

1:36:26you did you walk the site?

1:36:29>> I did not personally. Uh, but the

1:36:30council member did.

1:36:32>> So, you don't know?

1:36:35I I have full confidence in in uh

1:36:38Councilman uh going to the site and

1:36:41touring it.

1:36:42>> Does this comply with the 2020 Salem

1:36:45amendments?

1:36:46>> I'm sorry, say again.

1:36:47>> Does this comply with the 2020 Salem

1:36:49amendments?

1:36:50uh through the chair to uh Councilman uh

1:36:53Rory Diamond. I believe so.

1:36:57>> Do you do you have the 2020 Salem

1:36:59Amendment supplement to show that

1:37:03>> through the chair to

1:37:04>> They don't exist. Don't Don't dig any

1:37:06deeper. They don't exist. I'm just

1:37:08giving a hard time.

1:37:10>> I know you're not going to let me off

1:37:12easy.

1:37:15>> All right. our uh

1:37:18monthly Salem amendment joke has uh has

1:37:21landed perfectly on a staff member,

1:37:24which is always the best. So, with that,

1:37:27we have no other speakers in the queue.

1:37:29Uh let's open the ballot. Record the

1:37:31vote.

1:37:36>> Surprised you fell for that, man.

1:37:38>> Five, zero.

1:37:40>> By your action, you have approved 2026

1:37:42649. Item number 15, 2026 650. Council

1:37:47members, please declare here your

1:37:48exparte communication at this time.

1:37:50Seeing none, we will open the public

1:37:51hearing and get a staff report.

1:37:53>> Thank you. 2026 650 seeks to reszone

1:37:56approximately 46 acres at 5529 Floral

1:37:59Bluff Road from RLD60 to RMDB to allow

1:38:03for the development of a 4-unit multif

1:38:04family residential project. The site is

1:38:07located just west of University

1:38:08Boulevard North within the Renew

1:38:09Arlington CRA and zoning overlay. Staff

1:38:12finds proposed resoning consistent with

1:38:14the 2045 comprehensive plan as RMDB is a

1:38:17primary zoning district within the MDR

1:38:19land use category. The Renew Arlington

1:38:21Advisory Board reviewed the application

1:38:23on August 12th and unanimously

1:38:25recommended approval finding the

1:38:26proposal in compliance with the CRA plan

1:38:28and overlay standards. The reasoning

1:38:30furthers the comprehensive plan goals to

1:38:32maintain adequate land for residential

1:38:34uses, expand housing options, and

1:38:36provide appropriate transition between

1:38:38commercial and residential areas. The

1:38:40old Arlington neighborhood action plan

1:38:42emphasizes gradual transitions in

1:38:44density, which this application supports

1:38:46by stepping down from commercial uses

1:38:48along University Boulevard to single

1:38:49family neighborhoods to the west. The

1:38:52request does not conflict with the

1:38:53city's land use regulations and is

1:38:55compatible with the surrounding

1:38:56development, including adjacent multif

1:38:58family to the west and commercial uses

1:38:59to the east. For these reasons and those

1:39:01in the staff report, we recommendation

1:39:03of approval. The item was heard at the

1:39:05September 17th planning commission

1:39:06meeting where there were no speakers in

1:39:08opposition and the commission voted

1:39:09unanimously for approval.

1:39:12>> All right. Thank you, Katie. We have no

1:39:15speakers in the queue. We have no

1:39:17speaker cards. So, let's uh close the

1:39:19public hearing and bring it back to

1:39:20committee. Motion and second on the

1:39:23bill. Seeing no discussion, we will open

1:39:25the ballot. Record the vote.

1:39:31>> Five, zero. require action. You've

1:39:33approved 2026 650. Item number 16, 2026

1:39:36651. Let's open the public hearing and

1:39:38get a staff report.

1:39:39>> Thank you. Ordinance 2026 651 is for a

1:39:43small scale land use amendment at 2116

1:39:46Riverside Avenue. The site is located

1:39:48southwest of the intersection of

1:39:50Riverside Avenue and Goodwin Street. It

1:39:53is diagonal from the Riverside Publix

1:39:55Shopping Center. The site is currently

1:39:57being used as a parking lot. The request

1:39:59is to change approximately 0.9

1:40:04of an acre from PBF public buildings and

1:40:07facilities to residential professional

1:40:10institutional RPI to allow for

1:40:13residential and office uses. The site

1:40:15has frontage along Riverside Avenue, St.

1:40:18John's Avenue, and Goodwin Street.

1:40:20Riverside is a minor arterial road, and

1:40:23St. John's and Goodwin are local roads.

1:40:25The site occupies the eastern half of

1:40:28the block bounded to the east and west

1:40:31by Goodwin Street and Copeland Street

1:40:34respectively. The western half of the

1:40:36block contains single family homes,

1:40:38apartments, and professional offices. Um

1:40:41the subject site is within the Riverside

1:40:43Aendale zoning overlay and uh the local

1:40:47historic district and the National

1:40:49Register historic district. So, vertical

1:40:51construction and any changes to to

1:40:54existing structures on the site must be

1:40:55reviewed by the planning department. Uh,

1:40:57and then potentially the Jacksonville

1:40:59Historic Preservation Commission. The

1:41:02proposed RPI use is a logical extension

1:41:04of the RPI land use to the north, west,

1:41:07and south, and the subject site is

1:41:10adjacent to residential, commercial, and

1:41:12professional um professional uses. As

1:41:15such, the proposed RPI land use category

1:41:17provides for compatible uses and

1:41:20intensities with access to urban service

1:41:22delivery infrastructure. For these

1:41:24reasons and those in the staff report,

1:41:26the plane department recommends

1:41:27approval. Um, the item was heard at

1:41:29planning commission on September 17th

1:41:32and they unanimously voted to approve

1:41:35the item with minimal discussion. Thank

1:41:37you.

1:41:37>> All right. Thank you, Miss Shel. Next,

1:41:39we have Cindy Shmer.

1:41:45Cindy Trimmer, one independent drive,

1:41:46sweet 1200 on behalf of the applicant.

1:41:49This is the former satellite parking lot

1:41:51for Saint Vincent Ascension. A

1:41:52third-party developer has now purchased

1:41:54it, so it does need to be changed from

1:41:56that public building facility category.

1:41:59We are just seeking to modify it to

1:42:01match the categories that are in the

1:42:02surrounding area. And I'll address the

1:42:04rest of the proposal with the zoning.

1:42:09>> All right. Thank you. We have no other

1:42:11speaker cards.

1:42:13We'll close the public hearing and bring

1:42:15it back to committee.

1:42:16>> Thank you, chair. Before we

1:42:17>> motion a second, council member Ari.

1:42:19>> Before we move the bill, I'd like to

1:42:20declare exparte. Totally missed that

1:42:22part. I spoke to uh the application.

1:42:24>> This isn't the wrong bill. Next bill.

1:42:27>> Oh, you're right about that.

1:42:29>> Thank you.

1:42:30>> All right, we have a motion and a second

1:42:31on the bill. Let's open the ballot.

1:42:34Record your vote.

1:42:43Six yays, zero nays.

1:42:45>> By your action, you've approved 2026

1:42:47651. Item number 17, 2026 652. Council

1:42:52members, please declare your exparte

1:42:54communication at this time. Council

1:42:55member Barry is recognized.

1:42:56>> Thank you, chair. I'd like to declare

1:42:57exparte. I spoke to the applicant, Miss

1:42:59Trimmer, on September 24th at 10:15, and

1:43:01it's currently being filed. Thank you.

1:43:04>> All right. And I have exparte to

1:43:06declare. I also spoke with Cindy Trimmer

1:43:08on September 14th at 11:30 and this

1:43:11paperwork is being filed with

1:43:12legislative services. With that, let's

1:43:14open the public hearing and get a staff

1:43:16report.

1:43:17>> Thank you. 2026 652 seeks to reszone

1:43:19approximately 0.9 acres at the southwest

1:43:21corner of Riverside Avenue and Goodwin

1:43:24Street from public buildings and

1:43:25facilities to to residential office. The

1:43:28intent is to align the zoning with the

1:43:30adjacent RO zone properties and to allow

1:43:32residential and office uses on a site

1:43:35for formally associated with the

1:43:36historic Riverside Hospital campus. The

1:43:39property lies within the Riverside

1:43:40Aenddale zoning overlay and local

1:43:41historic district and any new

1:43:43development will require a certificate

1:43:44of appropriateness. Staff finds proposed

1:43:47resoning consistent with the 2045

1:43:48comprehensive plan. RPI supports compact

1:43:51medium uh density residential and

1:43:53professional office uses with densities

1:43:55up to 20 units per acre in the coastal

1:43:57high hazard area. It also uh furthers

1:44:00the comprehensive plan by promoting

1:44:02infill development uh compatible land

1:44:04use patterns and reinvestment with

1:44:06within established urban neighborhoods.

1:44:08The site is surrounded by a mix of

1:44:10single family homes, multif family

1:44:11dwellings, offices, and commercial uses

1:44:14and RO zoning is compatible with the

1:44:16area's existing development pattern. For

1:44:18these reasons and those in the staff

1:44:20report, we forward recommendation of

1:44:21approval. The item was heard at the

1:44:23September 17th planning commission

1:44:24meeting and there was one speaker in

1:44:26support representing the Riverside

1:44:27Aenddale Preservation Organization. The

1:44:30organization supports changing the

1:44:31existing zoning to remove the surface

1:44:33parking lot and allow residential uses

1:44:35which they believe would add value to

1:44:37the St. John's Quarter neighborhood.

1:44:42>> All right, thank you so much, Miss

1:44:44Sucks. And now we have Cindy Trimmer.

1:44:47Cindy Trimmer, one independent drive,

1:44:48sweet suite 1200. On behalf of the

1:44:50applicant, as mentioned, this is to

1:44:52match the existing zoning in the area.

1:44:55This parcel is part of the St. John's

1:44:57Quarter, which is a very active historic

1:44:59district. The applicant understands that

1:45:01they need to get a certificate of

1:45:02appropriateness for the new construction

1:45:03and have already begun having meetings

1:45:05to look at that architecture with the

1:45:07neighbors. And as Casey mentioned, the

1:45:11executive director of Riverside Aenddale

1:45:12Preservation appeared at Planning

1:45:14Commission and spoke in favor of the

1:45:15change. I'll stand by for questions.

1:45:18>> All right, we have no other speaker

1:45:20cards. So, with that, we'll close the

1:45:23public hearing and bring it back to

1:45:24committee.

1:45:25>> Motion a second on the bill. No one in

1:45:27the queue for discussion. Open the

1:45:28ballot. Record your vote.

1:45:34>> Six yay, zero nays.

1:45:36>> By your action, you've approved 2026

1:45:38652. Item number 18, 2026 653. We will

1:45:43open the public hearing. No speaker

1:45:44cards. will continue this public hearing

1:45:46till 102026. Item number 19, 2026 654,

1:45:50open the public hearing. No speaker cars

1:45:51will continue this public hearing till

1:45:5310:2026.

1:45:55Item number 20, 2026 655. We will open

1:45:58the public hearing and get a staff

1:45:59report.

1:46:01>> Okay. Uh, ordinance 2026 655 is for a

1:46:06small-scale land use amendment to change

1:46:08approximately 22.16

1:46:10acres from agriculture to community

1:46:13general commercial to allow for a

1:46:15commercial shopping center. The site is

1:46:18located on the north side of Pritchard

1:46:19Road between Jones Road and McGill uh

1:46:22McGill Road and it has frontage on all

1:46:24three of those roads. Pritchard Road is

1:46:26a minor arterial, Jones is a collector

1:46:28roadway and McGill is a local road. Um

1:46:31there is a Dollar General that abuts the

1:46:33subject site to the southwest

1:46:36and um agriculture uses AGR abut the

1:46:39site to the north and across McGill Road

1:46:41on the east. The LDR designation uh can

1:46:45be found to the west across Jones Road

1:46:47and then medium density residential,

1:46:50lowdensity residential and neighborhood

1:46:51commercial uses um are located across

1:46:54from the site along Pritchard Road. The

1:46:57subject site is also within about 1,000

1:47:00ft of two developments of regional

1:47:02impact. The Westside Industrial Park

1:47:04DRRI is to the east and the West Lake

1:47:07Industrial DRRi is to the west. So, the

1:47:10proposed amendment to CGC would allow

1:47:12for commercial uses that are compatible

1:47:15with the surrounding area and are

1:47:17located on an underutilized parcel

1:47:19fronting a minor arterial road and a

1:47:21collector road. Additionally, the

1:47:23proposed CGC designation would allow for

1:47:25commercial uses to serve the nearby

1:47:28residential uses as well as uh to serve

1:47:31adjacent employment centers. Uh for

1:47:34these reasons and those in the staff

1:47:35report, the planning department

1:47:37recommends approval. The item was heard

1:47:39at the September 17th planning

1:47:41commission uh where they voted

1:47:43unanimously to approve with minimal

1:47:46discussion. Thank you.

1:47:48>> All right. Thank you. One speaker cards

1:47:50or two speaker cards. Cindy Trimmer

1:47:52followed by Denise Cook.

1:47:54>> Cindy Trimmer, one independent drive,

1:47:56sweet 1200. On behalf of the applicant,

1:47:58I am working with a developer of grocery

1:48:01anchored shopping centers that is

1:48:02seeking to bring such a shopping center

1:48:04to this intersection. He was actually

1:48:07recruited when his daughter moved into

1:48:08the district and called him and said,

1:48:10"There's nowhere to get groceries

1:48:11anywhere close by. Could you please do

1:48:14what you do here in my neighborhood?" We

1:48:16did work closely with the councilman in

1:48:18bringing this application and he was

1:48:20supportive of the change. I'll address

1:48:23the site planning considerations in the

1:48:25PUD resoning in the next application.

1:48:29>> All right. Thank you. Did you want to

1:48:31ask it now or after the public hearing?

1:48:32We have one more speaker. Okay. Miss

1:48:34Cook, you are recognized.

1:48:40>> Hi, Denise Cook. Address on file. Um yes

1:48:44it is. Uh

1:48:47so this is you know so this zoning

1:48:49change from agricultural to mixed use

1:48:52smallcale this isn't a smallcale change.

1:48:55This is um going to impact the

1:48:58agricultural land that is in adjacent to

1:49:01it um in a number of different ways. Um

1:49:05we'll go into that on our next bill the

1:49:07202656.

1:49:10There's no reason to change this at this

1:49:12point um without addressing the

1:49:16substantial competent evidence that'll

1:49:18come in the next bill. Thank you.

1:49:21>> All right. Thank you. We have no other

1:49:25speaker cards, so we'll close the public

1:49:26hearing and bring back to committee.

1:49:29>> Motion to second on the bill. Council

1:49:31member Diamond, you're recognized.

1:49:32>> Uh through the chair. Just a quick

1:49:33question for Cindy. Just uh Miss Turmer,

1:49:36there's there's no grocery store there

1:49:38now.

1:49:39through the chair. There is not. And

1:49:41when we do development on the west side,

1:49:43we've done a tremendous amount of

1:49:44residential over the last several years.

1:49:46And the one thing that we consistently

1:49:48hear when we do community meetings is

1:49:50why do you keep bringing us all of these

1:49:52houses without bringing us the

1:49:53commercial uses with them?

1:49:55>> Yeah, I'm tracking. And you're not

1:49:56asking for $50 million from the city for

1:49:58this

1:49:59>> through the chair. We are not.

1:50:00>> Oh, that's lovely.

1:50:05>> All right. There we go. We have no other

1:50:08speakers in the queue. So, let's open

1:50:10the ballot. Record your votes.

1:50:18>> Six. Yay. Zero naysay.

1:50:20>> By your action, you've approved 2026

1:50:21655. Item number 21. 2026 656. Council

1:50:25members, please declare your exparte

1:50:26communication at this time. Past

1:50:29president Cara, you're recognized.

1:50:31>> Uh, thank you, Mr. VP and Mr. Chair. I

1:50:34do have exparte. I had a meeting with

1:50:36city chairman in my office. All the

1:50:37details have been recorded by my

1:50:39executive council assistant and

1:50:40documented and it will be turned into

1:50:42legislative services. The nature of the

1:50:44meeting was to tell me about the

1:50:45project. Thanks.

1:50:47>> All right. I also have exparte to

1:50:50declare. I met with Cindy Trimmer on

1:50:51September 14th at 11:30. We discussed

1:50:54the site plan, the community engagement

1:50:56that has been done and this paperwork is

1:50:59being filed with legislative services.

1:51:01With that, let's open the public hearing

1:51:02and get a staff report.

1:51:05Thank you. This is the companion PUD

1:51:07reszoning ordinance 2026-0656

1:51:11requesting to reszone the same 22.16

1:51:14acres from agriculture to a PUD to allow

1:51:17for the development of a mixeduse

1:51:18product which would include a grocery

1:51:20anchored commercial shopping center and

1:51:22also a personal property storage

1:51:24facility and multiple out parcels for

1:51:26other commercial uses. The proposed PUB

1:51:29would generally adopt the CCG-1

1:51:31standards, but adds additional

1:51:32commercial retail and service uses

1:51:35needed to support the grocery store.

1:51:37This also includes restaurants with

1:51:39retail sales and service of alcoholic

1:51:40beverages and also grocery affiliated

1:51:43off- premises alcohol sales business.

1:51:45The PUB will also allows for a self-

1:51:48storage facility with enhanced setbacks

1:51:50and height limitations given that it's

1:51:52near residential areas. Landscaping,

1:51:55signage, and parking are to be provided

1:51:56on a propertywide basis, and shared

1:51:58parking is permitted within the end

1:52:00development. Staff finds the request is

1:52:02consistent with the comprehensive plan

1:52:04with the proposed land use category

1:52:05change to CGC. The category intends for

1:52:08compact connected commercial nodal nodes

1:52:11along arterial or collector roadways.

1:52:13The proposed development supports key

1:52:15policies related to nodal suburban

1:52:17commercial growth, multimodal access,

1:52:19and infill redevelopment along Pritchard

1:52:21Road. This PUD meets internal and

1:52:24external compatibility criteria.

1:52:26Internally, the site depicts a central

1:52:28located grocery store without parcels

1:52:30arranged along Pritchard Road and Jones

1:52:32Road. Uh provided coordinated access and

1:52:35shared circulation and consistent

1:52:37landscaping across the project.

1:52:39Externally, the PUD is compatible with

1:52:41the corridor and the PUD places height

1:52:43limitations on the storage use that's

1:52:45located on the northern edge closest to

1:52:47existing single family homes. This

1:52:49property will provide um a minimum of

1:52:52121 feet setback from that closest

1:52:54residential property. There's a maximum

1:52:56storage height of three stories stories

1:52:59for the personal storage facility and

1:53:01those measures ensure compatibility with

1:53:03the adjacent residential properties

1:53:05while complementing the surrounding

1:53:06commercial and industrial development

1:53:08patterns. Traffic impacts are expected

1:53:10to be manageable. This corridor is

1:53:12designated a commercial growth area and

1:53:15positioned between two industrial parks.

1:53:18A traffic study will be required as

1:53:19conditioned by staff. Uh vehicular

1:53:22access will be provided from Pritchard

1:53:24Road, Jones Road, and Miguel Road and

1:53:26shared parking again across the site. Um

1:53:28so for these reasons and those in the

1:53:30staff report, we forward a

1:53:32recommendation of approval with two

1:53:34conditions. There is a revision to the

1:53:36condition two that's listed in the

1:53:38agenda. Um this came out of the the

1:53:40planning commission where we slightly

1:53:42changed the verbiage of that. Um and the

1:53:44applicant was agreeable. Um and so that

1:53:46condition will read, "Sidewalk shall be

1:53:48constructed to current city standards

1:53:50along Jones Road and Miguel Road along

1:53:52the entire Pud area road frontage. The

1:53:54owner shall dedicate to the city any

1:53:57land necessary to increase the ride

1:53:58ofway for such sidewall construction."

1:54:00Um so with that, the application was

1:54:02heard by planning commission on

1:54:03September 17th where there were no

1:54:05speakers in opposition and little

1:54:06discussion and they voted unanimously

1:54:09for approval with the two conditions and

1:54:11the revised second condition that I just

1:54:13mentioned. Thank you.

1:54:14>> All right. Thank you so much for that

1:54:15report. We have two speaker cards. First

1:54:17is Cindy Trimmer.

1:54:19>> Cindy Trimmer, one Independent Drive,

1:54:20Sweet 1200. On behalf of the applicant,

1:54:22you can see in the site plan that was

1:54:24filed with the PUD, a very traditional

1:54:26shopping center. The only thing about

1:54:28this that is unique is the location of

1:54:29the self- storage facility behind that

1:54:31shopping center. That was included

1:54:33intentionally in that area so that it

1:54:35buffers the back of house on the the

1:54:38grocery store use from the residential

1:54:40to the north. Aaron detailed that we've

1:54:42agreed to limit the height of that

1:54:43facility and a more than 100 foot

1:54:45setback from the property line. And I

1:54:47committed to the councilman that we

1:54:48would state on the record that there

1:54:50would be a fence and landscape buffer

1:54:53included along the residential property

1:54:56lines surrounding the site. With that, I

1:54:58will stand by for questions.

1:55:00>> All right. Thank you very much. Next, we

1:55:02have Denise Cook.

1:55:04Come on down.

1:55:13Denise Cook, address on file. Um, so in

1:55:17in in regards to substantial competent

1:55:21evidence, um, I just have some questions

1:55:25more than statements um, pertaining to

1:55:29the agricultural land that's in place

1:55:31and that we're trying to build on and

1:55:33it's a significant build. you know, has

1:55:36the has the test this has been uh

1:55:38pasture land for the last 80 years and

1:55:43has the correct testing been done to

1:55:45support the stability of this land with

1:55:48the manure, the gases and the wetlands

1:55:50that are adjacent to it. The Dollar

1:55:53General that was mentioned is built up

1:55:56on a higher level than the land. So, is

1:55:58there going to be more runoff from this

1:56:01build into the properties that are

1:56:03adjacent to it? Um, is the fence that is

1:56:06going to be put in going to be

1:56:07substantial for the keeping of livestock

1:56:10which is is required for the

1:56:12agricultural land? Um, will I've been

1:56:17told the wetlands will be protected and

1:56:19how are we protecting them and maybe

1:56:21that's with the easement and and the

1:56:23amount of but we need to make sure of

1:56:26that. The other thing is the lighting

1:56:28from the shopping centers, the lighting,

1:56:30the bright lighting. We all know what

1:56:32public looks like at night. It's it, you

1:56:35know, it's a safe space. There's

1:56:36substantial lighting in these shopping

1:56:38centers that impacts both the animals

1:56:41and the plants that are in the

1:56:43agricultural areas. It impacts their

1:56:46hormones, so they have fertility issues,

1:56:49so they have um, you know, so they have

1:56:54weight uh, less weight, you know, and

1:56:57we're talking about a food source. We're

1:56:59talking about cattle. we're talking

1:57:00about milk producing cow cows and the

1:57:04plants have a different dormant and

1:57:05growth period because of the light

1:57:07confusion. So those are some of the

1:57:09concerns that I have with us just going

1:57:12straight forward with this. Um and I

1:57:14believe there is there's enough concern

1:57:17that we should look a little deeper

1:57:19before we just say let's go ahead.

1:57:22>> Thank you.

1:57:22>> All right. Thank you. That was our last

1:57:24speaker card. So we'll go ahead and

1:57:25close this public hearing and bring it

1:57:26back to committee.

1:57:29We've got a motion and a second on the

1:57:30amendment. I believe I heard from uh

1:57:33council member Diamond uh with the

1:57:36conditions. Is that right, sir? We've

1:57:38got a motion and second on the amendment

1:57:39with the conditions. Would you like to

1:57:40go ahead and uh put the amendment on the

1:57:42record for us, Mr. Harvey?

1:57:44>> Yes. So, the amendment will be the

1:57:47traffic study. Unless weighed by the

1:57:49chief of traffic engineering or their

1:57:50design, a traffic study shall be

1:57:51undertaken by the developer upon PUD

1:57:54verification and provided during the

1:57:5510-cent review. The methodology of the

1:57:57study shall be determined by the

1:57:59developers traffic engineer, the chief

1:58:00of transportation planning and the chief

1:58:03of traffic engineering or their design.

1:58:06And the second revised uh condition is

1:58:09sidewalk shall be constructed to current

1:58:12city standards along Jomes roads and

1:58:14McGill road along the entire PUD area

1:58:17frontage. The owner shall dedicate to

1:58:20the city any land necessary to increase

1:58:21the height, excuse me, increase the

1:58:23right of way for such sidewalk

1:58:25construction.

1:58:27>> Thank you very much. And you know, back

1:58:30in my day when I had to chair this

1:58:31committee barefoot in the snow, walking

1:58:34to school uphill both ways. We had to

1:58:36ask the applicant if they agreed to

1:58:38those conditions. Do we still have to do

1:58:39that?

1:58:40>> You can for the record.

1:58:42>> Do you agree with those conditions, Miss

1:58:43Tremor?

1:58:44>> We agree with the conditions as amended.

1:58:45Yes.

1:58:46>> Okay. Thank you very much. So all in

1:58:47favor of those uh of the amendment with

1:58:50the conditions signify by saying I. I.

1:58:52Any oppose say nay. Looks like the

1:58:54amendment carries with the condition.

1:58:57We have a motion second on the bill as

1:58:58amended with the conditions. Have no one

1:59:00in the queue. So we will put this on the

1:59:03ballot and record your vote. Thank you.

1:59:17Five yays, zero nays.

1:59:19>> By your action, you approve 2026

1:59:22dash 06

1:59:2659.

1:59:27Where are we at? 58. Which one was that?

1:59:30I already turned the page. That's why.

1:59:32All right. You have approved 2026-0658.

1:59:36It's not like riding a bike.

1:59:39By your action, you've approved item

1:59:41number 21, 2026-0656.

1:59:44Moving on to item 22, 2026-0657.

1:59:49Let's open the public hearing and get us

1:59:51No. Let's open the public hearing and go

1:59:53to the speaker cards. We have Steve

1:59:55Matchet, Hayden Phillips, and Lee

1:59:59Var Varnador.

2:00:05Mr. Matchet.

2:00:07>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the

2:00:09committee, Steve Matchet, my address is

2:00:12on file.

2:00:14I appeared before the full council at

2:00:16its last meeting to bring this issue up

2:00:18and before you and before you here

2:00:21tonight um is not going to be for a vote

2:00:24for you tonight because it didn't make

2:00:25it out of planning commission because of

2:00:28the applicant's absence. You may recall

2:00:30that we had a couple people that were

2:00:32upset about that. But this is a pudto

2:00:36reszoning request to expand an existing

2:00:40batting cage. Zoning code doesn't really

2:00:43address batting cages and it didn't 30

2:00:45years ago when I wrote this PUD, the

2:00:48original one.

2:00:50Back in 1996, that's 30 years ago. 30

2:00:54years ago, Mr. Mclofflin wanted to do a

2:00:56batting cage for Arlington's youth on an

2:01:00acre that he carved out from property he

2:01:02owned at the corner of Fort Caroline in

2:01:04Hartsfield.

2:01:06He did that with uh my assistance and

2:01:10advocacy before this body and the

2:01:12council. Um and you might have heard me

2:01:14invoke the word covenant. And we did it

2:01:17with a covenant. That PUD was a

2:01:19covenant. And it was a covenant to bind

2:01:23that property to a recreational use, a

2:01:27primary recreational use.

2:01:30And it was underscored with a land use

2:01:32change to recreation and open space. It

2:01:35was originally MDR.

2:01:38And that was so that you couldn't expand

2:01:40its commercial use and intensification.

2:01:44We also put a strict prohibition in the

2:01:47PUD's written description against any

2:01:50alcohol sales.

2:01:52Well, this PUD that's coming before you

2:01:56changes all that or wants to change all

2:01:58that. It wants to add

2:02:02192 seats. Okay, this is on a small one

2:02:05one acre lot where a batting cage

2:02:07occupies about half the space already.

2:02:11192 seats with 99 of them clustered

2:02:14around an outdoor bar. All these seats

2:02:17are outdoor by the way, undercover

2:02:20around an outdoor bar that's in this

2:02:22extreme corner of the property that

2:02:24abuts the roundabout. It's literally few

2:02:27feet from the pavement.

2:02:29It's also directly across the street

2:02:31from Harvest Community School, which is

2:02:34why this pud has to request for a liquor

2:02:36distance waiver as well.

2:02:39The written description has no hours of

2:02:42operation even though there's a header

2:02:44for it. And the site plan has no parking

2:02:48accommodation for all those cars.

2:02:51In two weeks, we'll have a lot of people

2:02:52up here. Some of them um are the

2:02:55property owner, the original property

2:02:57owner. One of them is the original

2:02:59planner that wrote a denial against my

2:03:01pud 30 years ago. She lives in the

2:03:03neighborhood and has for 30 years. and

2:03:06she'll be up here and we will all be

2:03:07united in requesting your denial. Thank

2:03:10you very much.

2:03:11>> All right, sir. Thank you. Next, we have

2:03:13Hayden Phillips. Questions only. You

2:03:15wish to speak? No, he's here for

2:03:17questions only in support. And our last

2:03:19speaker on this bill is Lee H. Varnador

2:03:23Jr.

2:03:27>> Lee Varnador, 28 2843 Brackage Boulevard

2:03:30East, Jacksonville, Florida 32216. I'm

2:03:33actually here um I'm not sure about this

2:03:35bar, but I'm in concern about the

2:03:37Westgate apartments that are being

2:03:39developed. And it says on my ordinance

2:03:41as is 2026 0659.

2:03:44Is that what we're talking about?

2:03:45>> Yeah, we're not there yet, but we can

2:03:46call you back up for that one. We're on

2:03:48657. So, let's see.

2:03:50>> Well, that's what I'm here for.

2:03:54>> Oh, yeah. That's because they're giving

2:03:55me all the cards early. Yeah. Back in my

2:03:58day again when I was old and used to

2:03:59chair this committee, the vice chair

2:04:01would give the cards and one at a time,

2:04:03but that doesn't work anymore. So you

2:04:06guys are on the correct bill,

2:04:09but uh they were in my pile. Okay. So

2:04:11what we're going to do is continue the

2:04:13public hearing on 0657

2:04:15till 1026.

2:04:18And Mr. Matchet. Yeah. Uh Councilman

2:04:21Eris would like to speak to you, Mr.

2:04:22Matchet. Steve, Councilman Eris would

2:04:25like to talk to you in the green room,

2:04:29>> but you can't because we need five for a

2:04:31quorum because the mayor hasn't signed

2:04:33off on what we just voted on already. Is

2:04:35that right?

2:04:37>> It's going to change, but right now we

2:04:39don't have a quorum. So, just if you

2:04:41don't mind, Mr. Matchet, wait until Mr.

2:04:44Carluch comes back and then Mr. Aras

2:04:45will would like to speak to you and

2:04:48we're going to move on to item 23,

2:04:502026-0658.

2:04:52Uh that's going to be deferred.

2:04:56But we do have a speaker. Do we need to

2:04:58uh entertain the speakers with the

2:05:00deferral?

2:05:02>> 58.

2:05:04I just continued 57. Now we're on 58.

2:05:09>> It's marked for deferral on my notes.

2:05:11Okay.

2:05:14>> Okay.

2:05:26All right, we're going to need legal

2:05:27counsel because um I wasn't prepped for

2:05:30this. So, somebody tell me what our

2:05:31options are and I will decide.

2:05:38>> It's written on uh the chairman's notes

2:05:40to defer this.

2:05:41>> Okay. So, it's on the agenda as um open

2:05:45close move, but I believe the issue is

2:05:47payment not being received at the time

2:05:49of the start of the meeting.

2:05:52>> You don't uh you don't pay, you don't

2:05:53play. So, we're going to go ahead and

2:05:54defer

2:05:56>> since the start of the meeting.

2:05:58>> You guys need to do this on the record.

2:06:00So, can you talk to me and tell me

2:06:01what's going on?

2:06:02>> Um to the chair. So, the applicant is

2:06:04here and has made the payment. So, it is

2:06:06paid.

2:06:07>> Okay.

2:06:10Yeah, I think I think it was marked for

2:06:11defer because of non-payment, but the

2:06:13payment has now been made. So, if the

2:06:16committee is okay, we'll go and take it

2:06:18up. All right. 2026-0658,

2:06:22we're going to declare any exparte you

2:06:23have. Committee members,

2:06:26seeing none, let's open the public

2:06:27hearing and get a staff report.

2:06:28>> Thank you. This is PED reszoning

2:06:30application ordinance 2026-0658,

2:06:34which is requesting to reszone.22 22

2:06:36acres for of a property that is located

2:06:38at 4215 Irving Avenue. They are seeking

2:06:42to reszone from CCG-1 to a PUD in order

2:06:44to allow for a flexible mixeduse

2:06:46development consisting of a primary

2:06:48residence and accessory dwelling unit

2:06:50and then also to allow for low intense

2:06:52commercial and professional office use.

2:06:55The PUD is intended to formal formally

2:06:57legalize the property's longestablished

2:06:59live work pattern that has operated for

2:07:01decades as a grandfathered

2:07:03non-conforming mixeduse. The proposed

2:07:05PED continues to allow for the full

2:07:07range of residential and low-scale

2:07:09commercial uses already present on the

2:07:11site, but provides a sightspecific

2:07:13standard for a continued mixeduse

2:07:15operation. No new construction is

2:07:17proposed. There's an existing structures

2:07:19that were originally built in 1929 that

2:07:21will remain on the property and the PUD

2:07:23establishes flexibility for the

2:07:25residential occupancy and small-cale

2:07:27office and business activity while

2:07:29maintaining adherence to the zoning code

2:07:31for parking and landscaping. Sound fif

2:07:33the request is consistent with the comp

2:07:35plan with the existing land use category

2:07:37of CGC. It's located in the urban

2:07:39development area where mixeduse

2:07:40arrangements including residential are

2:07:43encouraged to support and complement

2:07:44commercial corridors. The PUD is

2:07:46consistent with the objectives and

2:07:48policies that promote compact

2:07:50development recognizing legally

2:07:52established uses and reinforcing

2:07:53small-cale commercial activity um that

2:07:56are serviced by existing public

2:07:57facilities. Uh these are along Irving

2:08:00Avenue and Hersell Street. We find it

2:08:02meets the internal and external

2:08:03compatibility. Internally, both

2:08:05buildings remain as is with an ex with

2:08:07existing setbacks and previously

2:08:09established access patterns. It was

2:08:11reviewed by our landscape architect who

2:08:13had no concerns or objections.

2:08:15Externally, the site is positioned

2:08:16between CCG1 with commercial uses to the

2:08:19north and east and south and RLD60

2:08:22single family residents to the west. So,

2:08:24this is creating a natural transition

2:08:25between the two and again is a

2:08:27formalizing that um long historic

2:08:29pattern on the property. So for these

2:08:31reasons and those in the staff report,

2:08:33we forward a recommendation of approval.

2:08:35Uh application was heard by uh planning

2:08:37commission on se on September 17th.

2:08:39There were no speakers in opposition and

2:08:40little discussion and they voted

2:08:41unanimously for approval.

2:08:45>> Okay, thank you for that report. We have

2:08:47one speaker card. It's Briana Mian.

2:08:49Questions only in support.

2:08:52So are there any questions?

2:08:56Council member Gaffne.

2:08:57>> Thank you to the chair. Just to put it

2:08:58on record, can we clarify this whole

2:09:00paid thing? I just want to make sure the

2:09:02community was was made aware. It was

2:09:04notice put out. Um I'm not sure if we

2:09:06have anybody in opposition, but I want

2:09:08to make sure before we vote that

2:09:09everything is on the up and up.

2:09:11>> Gotcha. There are no other speaker

2:09:12cards, but we can turn it back over to

2:09:14planning department so they can confirm

2:09:15uh payment has been made.

2:09:17>> Um through through the chair to

2:09:19Councilman Gaffne. Um this is just a

2:09:21daily record advertisement fee, so it's

2:09:23it's invoiced separately. Um and there

2:09:26was some concerns about uh potentially

2:09:29spam. So I we've worked with the

2:09:30applicant. It has been paid and so they

2:09:32are all good. All payments been made.

2:09:34>> Yeah.

2:09:34>> And noticing has been done. All fees

2:09:37have been paid.

2:09:37>> Yeah. That was my concern. The um

2:09:39constituents is made aware because you

2:09:40know a lot of constituents said well you

2:09:42know we didn't get the advertisement. So

2:09:45I hate for that to happen and come back.

2:09:46All right.

2:09:47>> I would think if there was any concern

2:09:49the uh district councilman would be here

2:09:51but of course Mr. Pusso is not here. So

2:09:53yeah Mr. Uh, Dr. Johnson,

2:09:56>> right? And it had nothing to do with the

2:09:58application, Mr. Chair. It just cuz I

2:10:00asked Mr. Harvey that it was the

2:10:02advertisement, not the application

2:10:04because that was my question. How do we

2:10:05get this far in the application? We had

2:10:06a gotten, you know, paid. So, it's

2:10:08clarified. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2:10:09>> All right. Thank you,

2:10:10>> Mr. Former chair, former council

2:10:12president, acting chair, all the things.

2:10:15>> The uh Swiss Army knife, we got it. We

2:10:17got it covered. Okay. Looks like there's

2:10:20no one else in the queue. So, let's

2:10:22let's move let's close the public

2:10:24hearing and bring it back to committee.

2:10:26>> Yeah, we'll move the bill. Anyone got a

2:10:27second?

2:10:28>> Second.

2:10:28>> We have a motion and a second. We have

2:10:30no one in the queue. Let's open the

2:10:31ballot and record your votes.

2:10:51Four yays, one nay.

2:10:54>> By your action and by a landslide, Mr.

2:10:56Diamond, we have approved 2026-0658.

2:11:00Moving on to number 24, 2026-0659.

2:11:06We do have those speaker cards for the

2:11:08correct bill after the exparte, of

2:11:10course. Anyone have exparte? Uh, I do.

2:11:14Um, so I'll go ahead and put on the

2:11:16record that I have exparte communication

2:11:18from the applicant, Mr. Hayden Phillips.

2:11:19He came to see me in my office today as

2:11:21this um is in my district. This is um

2:11:25something that was approved many years

2:11:27ago and uh I guess they want to change

2:11:29it. So he he told me all about that

2:11:30today and uh we'll see um what the

2:11:33community has to say and we'll get that

2:11:35followed with legislative services. So

2:11:37with that being said, we'll open the

2:11:38public hearing and get a staff report.

2:11:40>> Thank you. This is PUD reszoning

2:11:42ordinance 2026-0659

2:11:44requesting to reszone approximately

2:11:4619.35 acres for a property that's

2:11:49located along Newton Road from PUD that

2:11:51was originally approved back in 2021 to

2:11:53a new PUD in order to restore previously

2:11:56granted development rights for

2:11:57multifamily residential. The new PUD

2:12:00would allow for up to 330 apartment

2:12:02units. This is at a density of 17.05

2:12:06dwelling units per acre. replacing the

2:12:08existing PUD entitlements for 172 town

2:12:11homes prior to the 2021 PUD. The

2:12:14previous one before that did allow for

2:12:16apartments um but they switched to

2:12:18town's home. So they're just wanting to

2:12:19go back to the original apartment use on

2:12:21the site. The proposed PED would

2:12:23continue the MDR land use um category

2:12:26consistent with the residential

2:12:27development pattern that provides a

2:12:29sight specific flexibility including

2:12:31customized access provisions, lot and

2:12:34yard uh reductions, pedestrian

2:12:36connectivity, and revised parking

2:12:37requirements for the site. Staff finds

2:12:39the request is consistent with the comp

2:12:41plan. Again, it's in the MDR land use

2:12:43category, which allows for multif family

2:12:45housing in the form of apartments,

2:12:46condos, and town homes. The PED meets

2:12:49internal and external comp

2:12:50compatibility. Um, internally the site

2:12:53uh shows 11 multif family buildings that

2:12:56would be up to 30 units each. Internal

2:12:59roadways, networks, and pedestrian

2:13:00connectivity. Externally, the site is

2:13:02surrounded by a mix of single family

2:13:04homes. There's a city park and other MDR

2:13:07multif family communities making the

2:13:09proposed apartments a compatible land

2:13:11use transition. Um so for these reasons

2:13:13and those in the staff report, we

2:13:14forward a recommendation of approval

2:13:16with one uh traffic related condition in

2:13:19your agenda. Application was heard by

2:13:21planning commission on September 17th.

2:13:23There were no speakers in opposition and

2:13:25they voted unanimously for approval with

2:13:27that same one condition. Thank you.

2:13:29>> All right. Thank you. We will now go to

2:13:31the speaker card starting with Mr.

2:13:32Hayden Phillips. There's one on the

2:13:34speaker card.

2:13:35>> Um Hayden Phillips, 131 Riverplace

2:13:38Boulevard. Thank you. Um, so I'll just

2:13:41say off the bat, we we agree to the

2:13:43condition. Happy to do a traffic study.

2:13:45It's 20 acres. Um, this property has

2:13:49been MDR land use and in the urban

2:13:53development area all along. Um, prior to

2:13:572021, it was zoned to a BUD for

2:14:00apartments. Um, our firm actually

2:14:04reszoned it in 2021 for town homes

2:14:08due to some market changes. Same owner.

2:14:10We're now going back to apartments. Um,

2:14:14we did coordinate with the district

2:14:15councilman. Um, and I have not heard

2:14:17personally from any neighbors, but uh, I

2:14:20would be glad to answer any questions

2:14:22you may have. Thank you.

2:14:26>> Thank you. And, uh, since I am the

2:14:27district councilman, just for the

2:14:28record, coordinate. I think you meant

2:14:30met with.

2:14:33Okay. Thank you. I don't remember

2:14:35coordinating anything with you, sir. Um,

2:14:37so we have one more speaker card.

2:14:39>> That would be Lee H. Varnador Jr.

2:14:46>> Lee Varnnador, 2843 Brackage Boulevard,

2:14:48East Jacksonville, Florida, 32216. Um,

2:14:51I've lived at this property for over 23

2:14:53years. Um, they tried to develop it

2:14:56because it's it's right next to my back

2:14:58lot. It's basically right there over the

2:15:00fence. Um, they tried to develop it a

2:15:02few years ago. I was told by the EPA

2:15:04that it was protected wetlands and they

2:15:05would never be able to develop it

2:15:07because of all the wildlife that lives

2:15:08in the woods back there. So, I mean, I

2:15:10don't have anything to let you guys say

2:15:12yay or nay, but there's all kinds of

2:15:15stuff living in the woods back there. I

2:15:16mean, you guys have never even seen

2:15:18fireflies probably since you were a kid.

2:15:21They're there. There's thousands of them

2:15:22every April, the second week of April.

2:15:25And there's plenty of them. hawks, owls,

2:15:27turtles, all that stuff back there. Um,

2:15:30my concern really is that that property

2:15:32is elevated and all of that wetlands

2:15:36kind of goes into two main ditches in

2:15:37our neighborhood and our properties are

2:15:40sloped down for a reason. So that that

2:15:43water all goes into the ditches, goes

2:15:44into I guess it would be like a

2:15:45tributary to the St. John's. Those

2:15:48ditches are never dry and they've got

2:15:50retention ponds like all right behind

2:15:53all of our properties on Brackidge

2:15:54Boulevard and we all have septic tank

2:15:56systems and with that water coming down

2:15:59those huge retention ponds there's no

2:16:01way they're going to drain in like 72

2:16:02hours I think it's supposed to be and

2:16:04they're supposed to be like 75 ft away

2:16:05from our drain fills. So, what's going

2:16:08to happen when all my septic tank system

2:16:10won't won't drain properly because

2:16:12there's a huge retention pond within 75

2:16:15ft of it? And there's also properties

2:16:17that have been completely fenced in. The

2:16:19one right next to me has been fenced in

2:16:21for I think over 50 years now. And that

2:16:24property looks like they own the second

2:16:26lot and they actually don't. But that

2:16:28land's been fenced in this entire time.

2:16:30And they were supposed to be

2:16:30grandfathered in to that piece of

2:16:32property. And this new drawing has that

2:16:35retention pond coming into that

2:16:36property, which is actually going to be

2:16:38like coming into their septic tank

2:16:40system and it's going to be really close

2:16:42to my my drain field. So, other than the

2:16:45traffic and all the animals that are

2:16:46going to go away from this, it's my big

2:16:48concern is all of our neighbors. We

2:16:51don't have any um city sewage. We just

2:16:53have city water. We all have septic tank

2:16:55systems. And I think this is going to

2:16:56kill our septic tank systems. I've had

2:16:58no issues with my um my septic tank in

2:17:00over 23 years. So, it just brings a big

2:17:04concern that and all the traffic.

2:17:06There's only um Hogan Road and

2:17:09Belelfford and basically Newton runs

2:17:12right down the middle of those two. And

2:17:13if you guys ever go through there in the

2:17:14afternoon, you'll see that it's backed

2:17:16up for like a half a mile just because

2:17:18of that one road going to Southside

2:17:20Hogan Road going to Southside Boulevard.

2:17:22And not to mention the fire stations

2:17:24right there, too. They're going to have

2:17:25a hard time getting onto Southside

2:17:26Boulevard with 300 more cars in the way.

2:17:29And it only looks like there's one

2:17:30entrance to the subdivision, too.

2:17:32They've got like a second proposed for

2:17:33it, but man, it's right off of Newton

2:17:36Road. It's going to be such a headache.

2:17:38Thanks for your time.

2:17:40>> All right. Thank you.

2:17:42No other speaker cards. Not seeing

2:17:44anyone in the queue. I would like Mr.

2:17:46Phillips to address some of uh my

2:17:48constituents questions as far as the

2:17:49environmental, the setbacks, the uh

2:17:52drain fields, uh some of those issues uh

2:17:54with the endangered animals. And if you

2:17:58could just uh

2:17:59>> Yes. Yes.

2:18:00>> Get on the record what you um think

2:18:01about those issues.

2:18:02>> Of of course. Thank you. Yes, I heard

2:18:04concerns um off the bat related to the

2:18:07existing trees and wetlands and

2:18:09wildlife. Um believe the staff report

2:18:12lays that out. There are almost 5 acres

2:18:14of wetlands on the site. Um they're

2:18:17category 3 which did not require us to

2:18:20go to waterways but um regardless

2:18:24um as this site plan shows those

2:18:26wetlands will largely be uh remain the

2:18:29same. The only thing that the only way

2:18:31that they will be impacted um is the

2:18:34through a road so you can access the

2:18:36north part of the property to the south

2:18:38property part of the property. Um

2:18:41so so those will remain there. Um and

2:18:44hopefully the wildlife will not be

2:18:45impacted. Um regarding the pond

2:18:48locations along the western side, um the

2:18:51the current PUD on the property now,

2:18:53which permits town homes, um has the

2:18:55ponds in the exact same locations. Um

2:18:58but regards to drainage, you know, it's

2:19:02it's a a rigorous um

2:19:05there's a lot of regulations that we

2:19:07have to go through. This is just sort of

2:19:09the first step. And so on the local,

2:19:11state, and federal level, we will be

2:19:13required to to capture and contain storm

2:19:15water on site and treat that um in in a

2:19:18legal way. And we of course will um this

2:19:22site plan actually

2:19:24um provides a larger buffer along the

2:19:29western border where the single family

2:19:30residences are than than the PUD that is

2:19:33entitled on the property. Now, um, in

2:19:36regarding traffic, Hogan Road, which is

2:19:40about 200 feet away from this property,

2:19:42it's, uh, it's a collector road, it is

2:19:44currently operating at 61% capacity. So,

2:19:48while I I I can appreciate the concerns

2:19:51um of of the gentleman that just spoke,

2:19:54you know, these are the numbers that we

2:19:55have and and the ones that we have to go

2:19:57by. Um I would be happy to provide any

2:19:59other information or answer any other

2:20:01questions and I will give my business

2:20:04card to him right now and hopefully we

2:20:07can we can coordinate and um and address

2:20:11any of his concerns further. Thank you.

2:20:14>> All right. I appreciate you uh speaking

2:20:16and addressing those concerns. Council

2:20:18member Aries.

2:20:19>> All right. Thank you, Chair. Um Hayden,

2:20:22do you uh I'm looking at here exhibit

2:20:24four on the attachments. It's kind of

2:20:26hard to see it here, but it shows um

2:20:28Westgate Apartments. That is the new

2:20:30version of what you're doing proposing,

2:20:32right? Not the previous town home

2:20:33versions, right? Just want to make sure

2:20:34that what I'm looking at is a current

2:20:37need.

2:20:37>> That That's correct. Westgate

2:20:38Apartments. Yeah. May 5th is the date of

2:20:40the site plan.

2:20:41>> Okay. And then in that drawing or

2:20:43rendering, I see like a cluster of trees

2:20:45and there's a road. Is that are those

2:20:48trees the uh the wetlands that you were

2:20:49talking about that will not be impacted?

2:20:52>> Those are the wetlands and they will be

2:20:54impacted minimally by the road going

2:20:56through them. Yes,

2:20:57>> correct. Okay. All right. Yeah. I just

2:20:59Yeah, I just wanted to make sure I was

2:21:00looking at the correct thing here. All

2:21:02right. Thank you.

2:21:04>> All right. Thank you for that. If there

2:21:05are no more questions, we will close

2:21:08public hearing and bring this back to

2:21:09committee.

2:21:11We have a motion on the bill and a

2:21:13second

2:21:15>> on the amendment. I'm so sorry. That was

2:21:16the amendment. Yeah, you did. Yeah, he's

2:21:18uh he made a motion on the amendment. We

2:21:19have a second. So, if you could explain

2:21:20the amendment.

2:21:23>> Yes. So, the amendment is for uh let's

2:21:26wait by the chief of traffic engineering

2:21:28or their designated traffic study shall

2:21:30be undertaken by the developer upon PUD

2:21:32verification and doing the 10 set

2:21:34review.

2:21:36>> All right, you've heard the amendment.

2:21:37All in favor of the amendment signify by

2:21:39saying I. I. All right. Any post say

2:21:40nay. I think we had the eyes. Let's try

2:21:42it again. All in favor of the amendment

2:21:44signify by I. I. I. Thank you. Any

2:21:46oppose say nay. The amendment carries.

2:21:49>> We got a motion second on the bill as

2:21:50amended. No one's in the queue. Please

2:21:52open the ball. Record your vote.

2:22:06>> Four days. One nay.

2:22:08>> Five. Your action. You've approved

2:22:092026-0659.

2:22:14We're on item number 25. 2026-0667.

2:22:19Oh, the public hearing. No speaker

2:22:20cards. We'll continue that public

2:22:21hearing till council member Carluchi

2:22:23comes back. 10 2026.

2:22:36All right. Right. Item number 26,

2:22:382026,689.

2:22:40This item is deferred until 102026. Item

2:22:42number 27, 2026,6690. This item is

2:22:45deferred until 102026.

2:22:48Items.

2:22:50The following items are deferred until

2:22:521026. Item 28, 2026, 691, 692, 693, 694,

2:22:57695, 696.

2:22:59Which brings us to the last action item.

2:23:02Item number 34. 226 697. Council

2:23:05members, please declare your expparte

2:23:06communication at this time. Seeing none,

2:23:08let's open the public hearing and get a

2:23:09staff report.

2:23:10>> Thank you. 2026 697 seeks to reduce the

2:23:13required minimum road frontage from 240

2:23:15ft to 0 feet to allow for the placement

2:23:18of two additional mobile homes on a 3.11

2:23:20acre property in the RR acre zoning

2:23:23district. The property is accessed from

2:23:25103rd Street via a 30-foot shared

2:23:28easement serving several lots along an

2:23:30unmaintained roadway. The lot meets all

2:23:32of the RR acre zoning requirements

2:23:34except for the frontage. Strict

2:23:36enforcement of section 656407 would

2:23:39prevent placement of the additional

2:23:40units, creating a practical difficulty

2:23:42as the neighborhood is characterized by

2:23:44similarly configured parcels that rely

2:23:46on easements rather than direct

2:23:48frontage.

2:23:49The request is not intended to reduce

2:23:51development costs or circumvent

2:23:52subdivision regulations. The addition of

2:23:54two mobile homes is not expected to

2:23:56diminish surrounding property values or

2:23:57alter the area's character, which

2:23:59includes a range of lot sizes in an

2:24:01existing mobile home park. A valid

2:24:0330-foot easement provides adequate

2:24:05vehicle access to 103rd Street in the

2:24:08waiver will not negatively impact public

2:24:10health, safety, or welfare. All other

2:24:12zoning requirements will continue to

2:24:14apply. For these reasons and those in

2:24:15the staff report, we forward

2:24:16recommendation of approval.

2:24:21>> All right. Thank you so much. We have

2:24:23one speaker card. Lindsay Cook is in

2:24:27support. Does not wish to speak. Yep.

2:24:30Okay. You sure?

2:24:34All right.

2:24:36Anybody have questions?

2:24:39All right. We have no one in the queue,

2:24:40so we'll close the public hearing and

2:24:42bring it back to committee.

2:24:44>> All right. We have a motion to second on

2:24:46the bill. No one in the queue. Let's

2:24:49open the ballot. Record your vote.

2:24:57Six yays, zero nays.

2:24:58>> By action, you approved. 2026 697.

2:25:02Long wait, but worth it. Following bills

2:25:04are on second reading. 2026, 741, 742,

2:25:07743, 744, 745, 746, 747, 779.

2:25:13And that is it. This means adjourned.