2026-09-23 - Vision Committee

00:19Are you trying to build up the

00:20anticipation?

00:21>> She did you

00:22>> She did.

00:23>> Now you're ready. Okay. Thank you. I was

00:25waiting for the signal.

00:26Okay. Okay, good evening all. Thank you

00:29for being either online or here or for

00:32you being here. I appreciate it. Uh

00:35Sarah should be coming in a little late

00:38and Ted also later.

00:40If that happens then for the minutes

00:42everybody was here except I don't know

00:45about Fred. He has not said one way or

00:48the other. So maybe mention that he was

00:51not here. Okay?

00:53All right. We've done that. Um

00:57Citizen statements.

00:59Welcome. Would you like to tell us a

01:02little bit?

01:03Um

01:04>> Sure.

01:04>> I know who you are but just for this the

01:06group, tell everybody.

01:11>> Uh Adam Reynolds. I'm also town council

01:13uh liaison for the Vision Committee. Uh

01:17little bit of report from town council.

01:19We're still working on trying to push on

01:23the um

01:24sewer upgrades

01:26um cuz that's a big thing holding up

01:27businesses.

01:28Um

01:30>> Sorry.

01:32>> Um

01:34Town Killingly is working with bridging

01:37more communications with the KBA uh to

01:40collaborate on activities and projects

01:43in the town. Um

01:45especially with us the Spooktacular

01:47coming up. You know, that's something

01:48that the town and the

01:50Killingly Business Association really

01:51works closely with to make a great

01:55wonderful event.

01:57Um

01:59I had one more thing. Now I'm drawing a

02:01blank.

02:05>> Like

02:06anything on Amazon?

02:08>> Um

02:10I really it's not in our hands.

02:12>> Uh

02:13>> As the town council.

02:14Um we don't

02:16we don't actually have impact

02:19>> Yeah.

02:19>> to what they do. All we do is appoint

02:21people for those committees and those

02:23committees make their choices from there

02:24and

02:26Um

02:27right now it's uh

02:29in in the those committees' hands to

02:32make the next judgment call on if it

02:34hits the criteria or not. It is not up

02:37to the town council.

02:38>> Yeah.

02:39The only reason I asked is because so

02:41many people still keep on asking me,

02:44"What's happening? Are we getting it?

02:45Yes or no?" And I'm saying, "I have no

02:47idea. It's out of our hands." You know.

02:50Okay.

02:52Adam, if you could just a little bit of

02:54an update could Going back to the sewer.

02:57Um comment that you made I'm I'm

03:00assuming you were talking about the

03:01uh water pollution control plant.

03:04>> Yeah.

03:04>> And and a moratorium and maybe a What is

03:07the next step in that? I know there was

03:09a bit of a relief for lack of a better

03:12term.

03:12>> So there's a relief because Frito-Lay

03:15said they were going to send less

03:17downstream for us. Uh I think based on a

03:203-year term.

03:22And uh that relaxation allowed small

03:24connections, nothing nothing large. Um

03:29When the last meeting that I went to at

03:32the

03:33the plant was they had three different

03:36proposals on how to increase capacity.

03:40And those three proposals now have to

03:43have a price tag allocated.

03:46Um I've actually spoke myself uh with

03:50May Flexer

03:53and she would like to see

03:56traction on this because she can try to

03:58find some of the funding to help us fund

04:01this project, too. But, everything needs

04:03a price tag first.

04:05So,

04:06um last I spoke, I know it's going to

04:08say about 2 weeks ago, they said they'd

04:10come back within 2 months with price

04:12tags for those three different versions.

04:16>> Was this a single designer or was this

04:18multiple designers that had proposed?

04:20>> Uh it was a single designer that had

04:22three different designs, three different

04:24options.

04:26Um

04:26all of them having their ups and downs.

04:28>> Sure.

04:29>> Um

04:30>> Did they give provide any kind of time

04:32frame, rough time uh basically a design

04:35build time frame? Do they think it's a

04:362-year process, 4-year process including

04:39approvals?

04:41>> So,

04:42what we get for what we got for timeline

04:44was if everything just move forward at a

04:47steady pace,

04:49um

04:50you could have an operating plant within

04:525 years.

04:52>> Okay.

04:54>> And uh I felt like that was a fair term

04:56considering how much work goes into

04:58trying to make upgrades to a sewer

05:00treatment plant that's in operation

05:02while upgrading at the same time.

05:03>> And people don't realize how how slow

05:06the construction is

05:08and the approvals

05:10and everything that goes into it. 5

05:11years sounds

05:13fairly reasonable.

05:14>> It does. And then considering, you know,

05:15the the scope of, you know, businesses

05:18that would be attaching to this, they

05:20usually have 5-year plans anyways. So,

05:22if we could have a 5-year plan, I've

05:25heard word that some of these other

05:26businesses would, you know, allocate

05:29effort into that.

05:34>> And tell for thank you.

05:35>> Absolutely.

05:36>> Any questions from the persons on WebEx?

05:43>> Not from here.

05:44>> Nope.

05:46>> Nope.

05:50>> I thank you.

05:50>> Absolutely.

05:51>> And I appreciate you coming.

05:52>> No problem.

05:54>> And

05:56please feel free to stay if you wish,

05:58but I understand you have commitments.

06:01>> I want to see what you guys got before I

06:02must leave.

06:03>> Okay, thanks.

06:06Okay, folks.

06:09We need to tonight

06:11to finalize

06:13whatever

06:14other groups or categories we going to

06:17have.

06:19And um I had [clears throat] asked

06:21Ashley to include

06:24um a listing that I have made up of

06:26things that maybe I I

06:28remade it here. Um

06:31so let's just go through that quickly as

06:33we did last meeting and we sort of said,

06:36"Oh, that's part of economic

06:38development." Or, "Oh, no, that's a

06:39totally separate category."

06:42And

06:43what I'll do is just call out the ones

06:46that I think

06:48I'm looking at the five sheets that we

06:50prepared last time

06:53and I'm hoping and assuming that Ashley

06:55sent those out to you so that you folks

06:58have them there, too.

07:00On your, you know, iPads or whatever.

07:03Okay?

07:05>> These are the five, actually it's six

07:07seven sheets

07:09um listing each of the goals that we've

07:12developed so far.

07:15Okay?

07:16>> Frank,

07:17Frank, let me

07:18uh interrupt for a moment. Just were

07:19there any minutes just just for the Were

07:21there any minutes we need to approve

07:23from the last meeting or no?

07:24>> Oh.

07:25Thank you, Greg.

07:27Here I am moving ahead. Thank you very

07:29much. If someone would make a motion,

07:31please, to

07:32um approve the August 26th minutes

07:36that were attached to what was sent out.

07:40Anybody make the proposal, please.

07:46>> I did.

07:47>> You

07:48>> I wasn't in attendance, so

07:49>> Oh, okay.

07:51>> So

07:52Glenn can Glenn will make a motion to

07:54approve the minutes as presented.

07:56>> Yeah, okay. You We've all read them.

07:57They were sent out to you. So, okay. Is

08:00there a second?

08:01>> I'll second it.

08:03>> Thank you.

08:04Any discussion?

08:07Approval by all?

08:11Yes.

08:12Nobody disapproves?

08:14>> Corey has a question.

08:15>> Uh yes, oh.

08:17Thank you.

08:18>> No, I was saying I approve. It was a

08:20thumbs up.

08:21>> Thank you, Corey. Okay.

08:23>> Duplicate meeting. Thank you.

08:25>> It was very short and to the point,

08:27wasn't it?

08:28It was good.

08:30Okay, so we approve the minutes uh the

08:32of the previous.

08:34Thank you, Greg. I'm always so ready to

08:36move on and get on with the other

08:37things.

08:39Okay.

08:40Back to what we were saying.

08:42So, I'm going to mention a few items and

08:44tell me where does it go? And for

08:47example, anything relating to the

08:49library.

08:51I assume we should probably put that

08:53under

08:55uh

08:56town management.

08:58That's something that town management

08:59should probably deal with.

09:02>> It could also go under

09:04environment.

09:06>> We could with it over the general in Let

09:09me have a look in

09:10for the sheets. Um

09:13okay, town environment. I have the

09:15sheet. Where is it? Uh

09:17uh

09:20for general management.

09:23There it is.

09:24So, shall we list it under town

09:26environment?

09:30Or town management if this is something

09:32that town management ought to do.

09:34There's a hand up for somebody.

09:36>> That's me.

09:38All right. What I was thinking is it's

09:41also

09:42potentially related in goal 4B

09:47where you have restrooms and safety.

09:51And that was the library's biggest

09:52concern.

09:54>> Correct.

09:56I understand what you what what you want

09:59to do there. And

10:01I understand that that um were two of

10:04the items.

10:05But I think the the function of a

10:07library or the library itself

10:10is probably

10:12probably goes with goal three

10:14uh better because I think it it's a main

10:16contributor to the environment of the

10:18town. I'm not sure environment's the

10:20right word versus culture.

10:22But, you know, in my mind it kind of

10:25falls into that recreation, youth

10:27activities.

10:28It it's part of the of the um

10:32of the um like I said, the culture of

10:33the town, the quality of the library.

10:36So, that's where I think it it would

10:37belong.

10:38>> [snorts]

10:38>> It don't belong I don't think it needs

10:40to go into the town management or

10:41anything like that, but I do think it's

10:43That's what That's just my thought.

10:46>> Okay, let's see if we can agree. How

10:48about putting it then under town

10:50environment?

10:52>> I'll agree with that.

10:53>> Okay. Everybody agrees?

10:58>> Yes.

10:58>> Okay. Um I'm writing it down under town

11:01environment.

11:05Next one I had was

11:07volunteers.

11:08We need to increase volunteers to

11:12throughout town. Uh there's a serious

11:14lack as we all know.

11:16What category should that fit under?

11:18Also, communication perhaps?

11:22How about there?

11:28>> Frank,

11:29how would you What are you defining as

11:31volunteers? I mean, I see it with every

11:34everywhere I go, but how would you

11:36specifically

11:38want to reach out for volunteers unless

11:41we have a known

11:44uh entity that needs to be addressed?

11:48>> Um

11:50one of my thoughts is

11:53that the town

11:55needs to recognize and reward

11:58volunteers.

11:59Maybe with

12:01it once a year, once every 6 months, get

12:03together with cookies or punch,

12:05whatever, and just say, and then that

12:08word gets out to say, "Wait a minute, I

12:10could volunteer for something."

12:13And we're short. All the committees in

12:15town are short, and I know that groups

12:18in town, it's a big thing that many

12:20people mentioned, "Nobody volunteers for

12:23anything anymore here."

12:24So, we need to encourage it.

12:27That's as specific as I can get at the

12:29moment.

12:32>> Part of the survey that I, you know, one

12:33of the parts of the survey that I

12:35remember

12:36is

12:38looking for the for the kids to give

12:40them volunteer opportunities. But, what

12:42you're talking about is um volunteers

12:45kind of like what we're doing. I don't

12:46know if you want to call it civic or

12:48municipal or something along those

12:49lines.

12:51But, I would like to um you know, maybe

12:53break that into two pieces.

12:55>> Sure.

12:55>> Um municipal versus

12:59private. I do think um there's a lot of

13:01folks who volunteer on behalf of the

13:03town

13:04that might have to do with youth

13:06activities, things along those lines,

13:08and

13:09being recognized, and I'm just throwing

13:11stuff out, being recognized by just uh

13:14you know, um a mention by the town

13:15council.

13:17Again, I go back to those type of

13:20situations and municipal recognition of

13:23of municipal volunteers could add to the

13:25culture of a community. So, you know, in

13:29in my mind

13:30>> Would be a separate category or under

13:32what?

13:33>> I do think it falls into a community

13:35image, myself, in terms of volunteering

13:37and recognition.

13:39>> Okay.

13:40>> Um but at the same time, though, I think

13:41it it's important that it falls into

13:45town management where somebody's got an

13:47idea of finger on the pulse.

13:51>> Any other thoughts from

13:53>> It's about as ambivalent as as as you

13:55know, as I can get on both, but

13:58I just didn't want to forget that that

13:59youth

14:00and and like I said,

14:02outside of the civic volunteers.

14:06>> Can I Can I interject

14:07>> Sure. Yeah, but

14:08if we're talking about public

14:11you know, not private volunteerism, then

14:13I would

14:13>> I was actually I was talking about both,

14:15but

14:15>> Yeah, please.

14:16>> Yeah.

14:16>> So,

14:17>> I would just think town management would

14:18would I I would think is the right

14:20category for the public volunteerism and

14:22the recognition of those volunteers and

14:24as well as organizing their activities.

14:27>> So, just a little inside, I don't know

14:30guys if you know this or not, but

14:33um

14:35the fire departments get

14:38credit towards their volunteers if they

14:40hit so many hours or so many calls.

14:43So, if you were looking for some kind of

14:44stimulation, I know some fire department

14:47personnel that

14:49it is a big

14:50contributor to their volunteerism. So.

14:54>> When you say credit, what kind of

14:55credit?

14:56>> I want to say if they have so many calls

14:59per year, they get like a $2,000 credit

15:02on their taxes.

15:03>> Okay.

15:04>> Yeah.

15:04>> Okay.

15:05>> Um

15:06so

15:08>> And if I remember, also part of our

15:10meetings, maybe it was Jay Lee said that

15:15set up a system where volunteers would

15:17get points

15:19which they could use to go to some of

15:21the restaurants downtown who would come

15:23and get a little bit off their bills.

15:26And that was another idea that was

15:27presented.

15:29>> And it is kind of leading all towards

15:31the same thing that they that the town

15:34rec- the town recognizes the efforts.

15:36What I liked about your idea

15:38about, you know, maybe have a night, a

15:40volunteer night or something like that.

15:42It also

15:43gives folks a chance to talk with the

15:46town council, talk with the people on

15:48the uh pollution control board. What the

15:50different committees?

15:52And it's like I said, it's a coffee and

15:53donut evening or or something along

15:55those lines to where all those different

15:58committees can kind of get together and

15:59just meet, chat, talk type of thing.

16:03Um I do like the idea of the fire

16:06department I I think that Jay Lee had

16:09um as well.

16:11Uh

16:14>> Comments

16:15from you folks

16:17up on the screen, anybody?

16:20>> In the cloud.

16:23>> We're all agreed.

16:24>> like I should have something, but I I

16:25don't have anything about it right now.

16:28>> Okay. We're all agreed it should be in

16:31somewhere in the goals, right?

16:35>> Yes.

16:35>> agree on that. Okay.

16:37We'll just decide

16:42town environment or town management

16:45uh

16:47I

16:48Let's put it under town management for

16:50the moment. Something for them. All all

16:52agree?

16:53We can re-change these afterwards as we

16:56refine stuff. So, I'm going to put it

16:57under the town management

16:59uh volunteers.

17:01>> Did you initially say communication?

17:04>> Sorry, I didn't.

17:06>> No, I I was talking about community.

17:09>> Oh, I thought we were putting um

17:13the I thought we were putting it into

17:15categories.

17:17Like I thought in the beginning he had

17:18said he was going to put volunteering

17:21[snorts]

17:22in with communication, so I must have

17:24misheard that.

17:25>> Maybe I Maybe I'm mistaken. You think

17:27communication might be better?

17:30>> I That's what I thought you said in the

17:32beginning and I agreed with that, but I

17:34thought maybe I heard it wrong.

17:36>> Okay.

17:37I I obviously since I thought it

17:40>> [laughter]

17:41>> I'll put you put it under communication,

17:43all right?

17:45There There it is. I recognize I I don't

17:48know. Now I have it here.

17:50Okay.

17:52We'll put Let's put it under

17:53communication.

17:56And we'll set that up. Okay, let's move

17:58on. Um

18:00There are certain things that were

18:02suggested

18:04for planning and zoning, which is

18:07actually now they have a new person

18:09and it's planning and economic

18:11development, I think is the correct

18:13title that I should be using.

18:15Um

18:17For example, that they need to

18:21set up a map or something that clearly

18:23indicates to all

18:26what is

18:27rural

18:28cannot be built and what is where where

18:30things can be built.

18:32And there were a number of times that

18:33people commented on this, we don't have

18:35a clue what is rural and what isn't.

18:39Any thoughts? Where do you think that

18:41should go?

18:43My personal opinion is probably

18:46uh town management.

18:47>> Isn't that called a zoning map?

18:50>> Sorry?

18:50>> Isn't that called a zoning map?

18:53>> Yeah, but the comments that were made is

18:55that

18:56there seems to be by some people

18:59that they concentrate on zoning

19:02and planning secondary. That there ought

19:04to be planning first and it needs to be

19:06replanned so that everybody is aware and

19:09then you zone and maybe rezone if

19:11necessary. And there are state

19:13implications, I understand, for that.

19:16That's at this point

19:19that came up and my understanding was

19:21actually that

19:22I'll going to say planning and zoning

19:25had intended to do this 2 or 3 years ago

19:28and they never got round to it.

19:30And that was somebody from planning and

19:32zoning who said that, "We really need to

19:33do it."

19:36That's the best I can give you at this

19:37point.

19:39>> I don't Yeah, I'm I'm not following what

19:41the the ask was, though. So, you're

19:43saying

19:44Mhm. rather than work from the existing

19:46map, just you're saying to to rather

19:51plan for spaces and then build your

19:53zoning map around the plan?

19:55>> Yeah, and make sure that people in town

19:58uh

19:59people know what when they start to

20:00apply

20:02to build or not build something.

20:04But there's not a general understanding

20:06that they say, "We don't know what's

20:08rural or what isn't rural." The public

20:10is saying.

20:11>> Is the map for that?

20:13>> And

20:14that they felt it needed to be more

20:15public known and that it definitely the

20:17emphasis needed to be on plan for the

20:19whole town first, then zone afterwards.

20:23Maybe there's some areas they said that

20:25were in the middle could be changed a

20:27little bit to allow more of this or less

20:29of that.

20:31>> Well, I think that that falls into how

20:33do you you know, the question we asked,

20:35how do you

20:37balance economic growth in a rural

20:39nature?

20:40>> I agree.

20:40>> Which was, in my opinion, probably the

20:42least answered cuz it's a very difficult

20:44question.

20:46>> Yes.

20:46>> Um so,

20:49I'm not sure I've heard of such of a

20:51such a document to to

20:55I have it in my brain that planning in

20:56many cases ends up having to follow

20:58zoning, although I I know they're not

21:00two, but I'm

21:01just thinking out loud here in terms of

21:02how can we incorporate

21:05that information into this document.

21:08>> Just a recommendation, in my opinion, to

21:12take a look and now be clear in

21:16bearing on mind balance, the need for

21:19housing, etc.

21:21And

21:22just That was all I heard that people

21:25are saying plan first, zone second, and

21:28they feel it's done the other way

21:30around.

21:33>> Well, there are certain reasons why

21:36it is done that way, and a lot of it has

21:39to do with

21:40the land, utilities, access,

21:45um

21:47and I'm not saying it's could be one in

21:49the same, but it

21:51in some respects

21:53the vacant land is

21:56probably not going to be

21:59um

22:00zoned industrial, except

22:04well, Amazon.

22:06But

22:07you know, that was something that was

22:09allowed. Now, the question is if it was

22:11to be redone, are we the ones that

22:14should be thinking that, or is the other

22:16mode of just the general goal to make it

22:20um

22:23you know, preserve the rural character

22:25and

22:27define where growth could should could

22:29be and what kind of growth.

22:33>> So, are you thinking I'm just being

22:35conceptual here? Cuz I'm starting to

22:38warm up to it where

22:39if somebody

22:41was to look at the current zoning

22:44and say, "Okay,

22:46at the very least, this area should

22:48always re- remain rural.

22:51It should not flip." Is that what you're

22:53thinking that

22:55>> Well,

22:55>> they're they're talking about?

22:57>> I'm not saying that that necessarily

23:00should not flip, but you have to then

23:03take into account the environmental

23:05concerns all around it, you know,

23:07whether it's wetlands, access to

23:10highways, water, sewer, can all impact

23:14what kind of development goes there. And

23:16zoning is very, very difficult on all

23:20fronts because there's an economic value

23:22attributed to that. Different zoning

23:25classes it I believe in this town as

23:28well as most

23:30have different tax rates.

23:33So,

23:35it's somebody has to be able to balance

23:37that.

23:38That's a

23:40quite an enormous task that at some

23:42point might even be done for the town by

23:44a consultant.

23:46>> Well, so what I'm what I'm

23:48thinking Rich Richard is that and those

23:50are all

23:51those are all

23:53good solid points.

23:55I'm going back to the initial question

23:56that Frank asked where somebody

23:59where where somebody or a group of

24:01people is is trying to understand

24:05where things are, but what can what can

24:08what process can take place

24:11to review what is currently rural?

24:14And

24:14>> I I think what Frank is saying is that

24:17uh

24:18plain language

24:19>> Yeah.

24:21>> zoning you know, when it comes to

24:23planning and zoning

24:25um maps have a plain language about

24:28them.

24:29I think I I correct me if I'm wrong. I'm

24:31just like trying to infer what

24:33>> all we're all trying to infer. That's

24:35that's the point of of this discussion.

24:38So, I think there's no

24:40>> it really just a

24:41Is it a topic of communication? It So,

24:44is the vision a a better

24:46better communication of the planning and

24:48zoning

24:50rules?

24:51Helping citizens to better understand

24:53what is and is not possible?

24:56>> Kind of putting things in the layman's

24:57terms?

24:58>> I wonder. I Well, well.

25:00>> Is that what you mean, Cody?

25:01>> After through all the meetings we went

25:03through, right? There was kind of an

25:04overwhelming theme of keep it rural

25:06nature, right?

25:08>> Yeah.

25:09>> Um

25:10but

25:11you know, is there also a need to then

25:13communicate in terms of what what our

25:16current uh zoning allows for

25:19or doesn't allow for to help maintain

25:21that vision? Now, I'm trying to bring it

25:23back to a vision statement more

25:25>> No,

25:25I agree. That's where I'm trying to get

25:27to.

25:28>> Right. Right.

25:29>> Yeah, I so I Yeah, so what what what it

25:31seems like when it comes to when when

25:34people are talking about we need to plan

25:36before zoning, etc. I think

25:39the the vision would be that, you know,

25:42zoning it our tech those are those are

25:45all technical terms. These are all

25:46technical things and it and it bogs

25:48people down and it confuses people and I

25:51think people want to be heard and they

25:52want to be reassured that they be heard

25:55that they're being heard and that they

25:56also understand

25:58what's happening around them. So, I

26:00think some sort of plain language would

26:02be great.

26:04Like a vision of yeah, communicating

26:06plain language

26:08um the plans of the

26:11town.

26:13>> Yes, I hear you.

26:15Because we overwhelmingly heard people

26:18say

26:19keep this place rural, rural. We're

26:21scared. We're scared. So, I agree with

26:23what you talked about there. Said.

26:26>> But I step back to the

26:28not too long ago where

26:30there was a bit of an uproar because of

26:32a change of a

26:33residential and a rural and low density

26:36versus high density and how many

26:38how many square foot, you know, per of

26:41land per per house.

26:43>> Mhm.

26:43>> And and when in reality a lot of that

26:46information was our our a lot of those

26:50changes were already allowed, but you

26:52couldn't really tell easily without

26:54going into a map, what's the map, what's

26:56that code number, go to subsection four,

26:59dig it all up, and then you find out,

27:01"Boy, that is allowed already."

27:03And I'm kind of wondering, as part of

27:05that, if this vision is to create I go

27:07back to what I think Cody is saying and

27:09even

27:10even Glenn about just trying to put it

27:12all into one easy spot or and in

27:15layman's terms

27:17in some way.

27:18>> How about

27:19we put it under town management, and we

27:22review the wording that we want to use

27:25exactly to characterize what all of you

27:28have been saying.

27:30That this is

27:31a job to be done

27:33obviously by a part of town management.

27:36>> Mhm.

27:36>> Would we agree to that?

27:40Comments?

27:43Yeah?

27:45I'm going to assume yes, then.

27:47>> So, what are we going to call this

27:48again?

27:49>> Um just I'm going to put there, and I

27:51don't know the wording, I'm going to

27:53just list it on the sheet on the town

27:55management, I'm going to write planning

27:57and zoning review wording.

28:00We know what we want to do, and the next

28:02time

28:03when we look at it, unless you have

28:05specific wording now that I can write

28:07down.

28:10>> Actually, in a time town website,

28:12there's quite a bit of information.

28:15>> Well, so give me wording.

28:18>> Well, I would have to do.

28:20>> [clears throat]

28:21>> I just sent that link to our zoning map.

28:26And

28:27I mean, having been

28:29one an applicant for zoning change, as

28:32well as

28:34looking at zoning for different economic

28:36opportunities in the city of Providence,

28:39it's a a very difficult challenge, but

28:42the challenge we never faced, or I

28:44haven't faced, is

28:47that it wasn't explained. Now, that

28:49could be because I'm

28:51an architect by trade,

28:53but

28:54I mean, when if you're going to

28:57put in a building or buy a piece of

28:59land, there's usually information that

29:02is in plain language that's attached to

29:04it by the realtor,

29:06not attached to it here at town hall.

29:09>> [snorts]

29:13>> Sorry, yeah.

29:16>> It's a very big ask of the town to redo

29:19its zoning, rethink how it communicates

29:22zoning,

29:23um because we have so many different

29:25types of zoning and so many different

29:27layers that can impact our zoning

29:31from wetlands,

29:33um rural status.

29:37I just would be very cautious.

29:41And town hall, I mean, having been an

29:43applicant in town of Killingly for a

29:46garage and a few other smaller projects,

29:49they're excellent at explaining what I

29:52what needs to be done, what the process

29:55is, and

29:58that was when Jonathan was in the

30:00building department.

30:02>> But I think what Richard, I think that's

30:04that's one step. I want to bring it up

30:06maybe to 10,000 ft

30:09where you're hearing about something

30:11that's happening or so-and-so you're

30:12seeing signs pop up in people's yards.

30:16And how can I go out and find quickly

30:19what what is in that area?

30:21And

30:23how can we

30:25help manage that area for the future

30:28to to ensure that it does stay rural,

30:31but

30:32that I truly understand when I look at a

30:34zoning map what is there.

30:36And and what is allowed. I I know what

30:38you're talking about and and and I

30:40agree. I've heard great things.

30:42And I'm trying to think about keeping in

30:44mind that we're trying to guide the

30:45leadership of this town

30:49to to be able to communicate and and and

30:54maybe guide their decision-making based

30:55on what we what we put in here.

30:58And if one of it is to make make

31:01the the the like I said, planning before

31:03the zoning or make that a priority to to

31:05do something along those lines.

31:07But I still I I stick with what Cody

31:10said earlier. It's just make it so

31:12people can just understand it at a

31:14glance.

31:15>> Mhm. Okay, I'm writing this down.

31:17>> You know, and I and and I'm a big fan of

31:20I look at an R-10, give me the three

31:22bullets on that plan that tells me what

31:23an R-10 does.

31:25Or something like that. I don't know.

31:27>> Okay.

31:27>> I'm spitballing.

31:28>> Well, we do have a zoning ordinance and

31:31that's kind of our guide.

31:33You can I mean

31:35I have a hard

31:36>> I understand.

31:37>> saying that um

31:39for this type of a sensitive issue, I'd

31:41almost want to have someone from

31:46that department present.

31:49That we don't ask for something that

31:50just cannot happen.

31:52>> Okay.

31:52>> And I'm not saying it can't happen.

31:54>> That's fair.

31:54>> But

31:56Adam, any thoughts?

32:04>> I'm going to go and just stay at the

32:05table.

32:06>> getting someone from planning and zoning

32:07to show up to

32:09consult with.

32:10Um I know firsthand

32:13there is a map. You pull it up, it's

32:16color-coordinated for what can be in

32:18what areas.

32:20Um

32:22and I hear it all the time how people

32:23want the area more rural. Like I totally

32:26understand that.

32:27Uh

32:28but how do you facilitate that with

32:30growth? Like you said, super sensitive

32:32subject.

32:34>> It is, but it's

32:36it's one that's become

32:38it was one of the biggest ones we

32:40constantly heard.

32:41>> Yes.

32:42>> How do we maintain this balance?

32:44>> Yeah. Um

32:46you're fighting the fact that 395 has

32:48three exits in our town.

32:50>> Yeah.

32:50>> You're fighting that. You know, you go

32:53and turn around and put yourself in

32:54Pomfret, they don't have a highway. Put

32:56yourself in Woodstock, they don't have a

32:57highway.

32:58>> Mhm.

32:59>> You take that out,

33:01pretty easy to keep people that want to

33:02travel to the highway out.

33:05Um you're not going to remove 395.

33:07>> Yeah.

33:08>> Um

33:10>> Okay. I've made notes of what people

33:12have said and the major note that I've

33:15made is to talk to somebody there before

33:18we go any further with this.

33:20And then I'll

33:22get back to you with whatever they say,

33:24okay?

33:26But if we decide

33:29this Do you agree it should be under

33:31something that the town management

33:34is responsible for doing? Right? We at

33:36least agree on that.

33:38>> I do.

33:39>> Any disagreement with that?

33:43>> No.

33:44Nope.

33:44>> Okay. I'm going to put it here.

33:48All right. Let's move on.

33:50Do we need a separate category

33:53at all for education?

33:56Um we're aware that we said

33:59one of the things with branding is that

34:02we have all these educational in

34:04institutions here. That's a biggie for

34:07us.

34:08And then there have been suggestions

34:10that um

34:12>> [clears throat]

34:13>> maybe they should offer a little bit

34:15more

34:17help education

34:19for the youth

34:21so that they are more ready to be

34:24employed in town.

34:26Um that there was We're losing people.

34:29They get They hit high school and they

34:31leave.

34:32Cuz there's nothing there. They're not

34:33trained for anything. I believe they

34:35have one of They have some small

34:37programs that are doing that.

34:39There was talk about setting up a

34:41separate group somewhere in town

34:43specifically for after school if kids

34:45wanted to go to there to learn more

34:46about whatever it is.

34:49Uh some There were some suggestions like

34:51So, any thoughts on the question of

34:53education?

34:55Do we want a category? Do we want to

34:57include something?

34:59Another category Another thing that was

35:01mentioned is

35:03and I believe this is happening now.

35:06A closer collaboration between the town

35:09and the Board of Education in setting up

35:12the budget

35:13that they're not presented at the end

35:15with a figure. That's it.

35:18And you could help us with this perhaps.

35:20My understanding is they are now working

35:23more closely together

35:25with the Board of Education to develop a

35:27budget ahead of time.

35:29Is that

35:34>> So, what they did do is they adopted a

35:37new way of

35:40They call it a back best practice

35:44services where we're supposed to get our

35:47budgets faster,

35:49uh closed out.

35:51Um right now we're having certain

35:52departments in the town that are not

35:55creating closeouts of their budgets fast

35:58enough.

35:59And and current audits has put us a

36:02little behind the eight ball.

36:03>> Oh, yeah.

36:04>> Um so, I had brought that to some of

36:07those committees and

36:09requested that uh we find a way to

36:12execute these in a timely fashion.

36:15And um

36:17we'll see what the result is from that

36:18right now. But I I I I did I personally

36:20requested it cuz I'm the liaison for

36:23Board of Ed also.

36:25>> A counselor is now attending the Board

36:28of Ed meetings pretty regularly now. I

36:31don't know if that's you or somebody

36:32else.

36:32>> That is me.

36:33>> That's you?

36:33>> You got the man with all the hats

36:35tonight.

36:35>> Oh boy.

36:37>> Yeah, I I am I sit on town council. I um

36:40liaison to Board of Ed. I am liaison to

36:43you

36:44>> To us, yeah.

36:44>> to your committee and I have attended uh

36:48water pollution meetings also.

36:52>> Okay.

36:53>> So, well, thank you.

36:54>> Um you're welcome.

36:56>> That's very good. So,

36:59>> Frank, another education thing that came

37:01up, sorry, it was the um

37:04uh I think you're the one who mentioned

37:05it was the improved communication

37:07between

37:08uh

37:09the uh community college, Naugatuck

37:12Valley Community College,

37:13>> Yes.

37:13>> the high school

37:14and local businesses to see if we could

37:16address some skills gaps,

37:18you know, more locally.

37:20>> That was

37:21another comment, yes.

37:22>> You have a perfect opportunity. Um the

37:25KBA has just put had added themselves to

37:28the

37:30uh permanent agenda to the standard

37:33regular meeting every month. So, if

37:35there is a opportunity to bridge a gap

37:38of skill sets in education right there,

37:42there's your golden ticket.

37:44>> Good. So, something is starting to move

37:46in that direction.

37:47>> Right. So, you have the KBA coming to

37:48every regular meeting every month to do

37:50report and they can report back to the

37:52KBA, too, saying, "Hey, we have this

37:54skill gap we're looking for."

37:56And this is a golden opportunity

37:59to really s-

37:59>> How about the Connect-

38:01How about the Connecticut Community

38:02College? Do you feel like they have any

38:03kind of real connections to the council

38:06or

38:09>> I'll I'll be real open on that. Um

38:12The KBA president is is my wife,

38:14Jennifer Ralls. And um she actually has

38:17a background in in college. She was a

38:20financial aid director for 26 years.

38:23So, um

38:25to that, if if the uh information was

38:28brought to her and uh presented, I'm

38:31sure uh some gaps could be uh bridged.

38:36>> Okay.

38:37Yeah, one of the comments we had

38:39received was that

38:42each of the education

38:44groups in town, which is Killingly

38:46School,

38:47the technical school, the Quinebaug

38:49Valley Community College, the um other

38:52next to it, the other advanced school

38:54high school, they don't talk to each

38:56other

38:57to communicate

38:59so that the whole town can benefit from

39:02improved coordination of education.

39:05And

39:07uh

39:07that's tricky. I mean, even the

39:09principal of the um

39:12uh I forget the exact, but it's the

39:14advanced high school with the college. I

39:17asked him, I said, "Do you have to

39:19>> QV Middle.

39:20QV Middle, yeah.

39:21>> Yeah, Killingly Middle, yeah.

39:23>> yeah.

39:23>> I I said to him, "Do you talk to QV

39:27about getting closer and working with

39:28the dual students?" He says, "No, we

39:30never get together. They don't talk to

39:32us."

39:33That's a pity.

39:35We need Okay.

39:37General term of education, should we

39:39include something elsewhere as a topic,

39:42a separate topic?

39:45Thoughts?

39:46>> So, how do you bridge that gap? You'd

39:48have to identify someone that's going to

39:50be on payroll to bridge all that

39:52information. And never mind bridge it,

39:54but what is the data that you're going

39:56to collect and how you're going to

39:57collect it and how you're going to

39:59execute that data?

40:01>> I agree.

40:03And there's other groups that don't

40:04talk. I don't know yet, but yes.

40:07Um

40:08it was a major comment made throughout

40:11town.

40:13Uh people don't talk to each other. For

40:15example, the social service agencies. We

40:17asked them when they had a minute, "Do

40:19you talk to each other and coordinate?"

40:22No, not really.

40:24I said, "What?" Well, part of the

40:26trouble is we're in

40:27we're fighting it for the same funds

40:30each of us, and I understand that.

40:33>> So, put reality spin on that and I'm

40:35probably speaking too much tonight, and

40:37I apologize.

40:38Um

40:39when when we talk about just talking,

40:41all right? Let's Let's turn that into

40:43what that really is. That's called

40:44effort, right?

40:46All right, effort usually requires

40:48something to move forward. And let's

40:51give you an example, right? So, you have

40:53a parade coming in.

40:55Do you realize that most of those people

40:56in this parade either have to pay to be

40:59in the parade

41:00or they have to pay them to get them to

41:03the parade. Like, there are bands that

41:05need to be paid to put in the parade.

41:08You would think they would just

41:08volunteer to actually show off their

41:10skills. They don't.

41:12So,

41:13when you use the word they need to talk,

41:17I turn it into cuz we our biggest thing

41:20usually is a budget. How do we

41:23do that in a way that's not going to be

41:26constrained to people like I don't want

41:28to pay for that?

41:31>> Right.

41:31>> I I don't know the answer, but yes, we

41:34have that is a reluctance.

41:36>> Yes, I mean, effort is energy and energy

41:38costs money. Um unfortunately, that's

41:40just how the world works.

41:42>> To me, like with most meetings, when

41:43somebody says I want you to come to this

41:45meeting, the first question I have is

41:46why?

41:47>> Right.

41:48>> Simple as that. They don't think that

41:49question. We talk about the benefit of

41:52communication. We don't talk about the

41:54why of communication.

41:56And but again, I think what we're trying

41:59to do here is a vision

42:01is to say that this at least at least

42:04starting right now, as of this date,

42:06have that, you know, in communication of

42:08the

42:09of the departments. But why do we feel

42:12that the people in town think that's

42:14important?

42:17You don't know?

42:18And when you talk about schools, I'd see

42:19it falling under

42:21To me, the number one thing in a school,

42:24on the number one thing a school

42:25contributes to a community, is the

42:27community's image.

42:30>> What about

42:30>> First thing anybody wants to buy a house

42:32is is where's a good Italian restaurant,

42:34where are the good schools?

42:35But at the very least, the good school

42:37How are the schools?

42:39>> Yeah.

42:39>> And

42:40>> Yeah, to uh

42:41to Paul's point, yeah, the

42:43what we're doing here is you know, we're

42:45just trying to set the vision first.

42:47Um you know, and not necessarily the the

42:50how,

42:51but just the direction.

42:55>> Yeah.

42:55>> Well

42:55>> Yeah, Cody, you're correct. And we have

42:58said over and over, we are going to make

43:00suggestions, recommendations.

43:03Implementation

43:05is not something that we can do.

43:07>> No, but

43:08>> But we can hope and set up a system

43:10where somebody will start implementing

43:13these ideas.

43:14>> Mhm.

43:15>> And we have ideas on that. Does that

43:17sort of tie in with what you're saying,

43:19Cody?

43:22>> Yes, yep. Yeah, we're not we're not

43:23planning anything. We're not, you know,

43:25we're just trying to collect the

43:27people's voice into a coherent

43:31vision that can help guide

43:34the town in making decisions.

43:37And but yeah,

43:39setting goals, determining how, having a

43:42executive plan is not kind of like what

43:44we're doing.

43:45>> Correct.

43:46>> Yeah.

43:47>> And I hear you. And that's a fair point

43:49that you're just collecting the vision

43:50and bringing it forward. Absolutely.

43:52It's a it's an admiral thing.

43:54Um I'm going to be the

43:56the realist in this.

43:58And

44:00take me for what I am.

44:02You want to make an impact, right?

44:04>> Hopefully, yeah.

44:05>> Right. Is that the main goal, make an

44:07impact?

44:08>> We want to make an impact, but the the

44:09key key thing, the biggest fear this

44:11committee has

44:12is to get put on get's put on a shelf.

44:14>> So, impact.

44:15>> at that.

44:16>> perfect. All right. So, if you were to

44:18cut a log, would you do it with a

44:20baseball bat?

44:21>> Mhm.

44:22>> Or would you do it with an axe?

44:24You do it with a sharp point. So, in

44:27order to have an impact, the plan has to

44:30be this is our vision,

44:32this is how you can do it, this is how

44:33you can execute. If you just have ideas,

44:37it's like hitting it with a bat.

44:38>> Mhm.

44:39>> If you have all the plans to get to the

44:41final destination,

44:43that's where the impact makes

44:45the biggest dent.

44:47So,

44:49I encourage

44:51the full lineup.

44:53Um

44:54cuz

44:55once that ball has been

44:58passed over, we want that impact to

45:00happen, but it's got to have a fine

45:01point.

45:02>> Mhm.

45:03>> Fair?

45:05>> Yeah. Um

45:06I agree. To the extent that we can, we

45:09will. And we'll certainly

45:12going to be thinking about there's some

45:14things we would suggest would would take

45:156 months, one, two, some 2 years, some 3

45:18years, some five.

45:19>> Yeah, I'm talking to water treatment

45:21plant, it takes five, so I I get it.

45:23>> Yeah. Uh and

45:24the other thing that some of the other

45:26plans I have and others have reviewed,

45:28they were many have made the comment, do

45:31some ones that are easy and quick

45:34and don't cost a lot of a lot of money.

45:36>> Low-hanging fruit.

45:37>> an impact on the Oh my god, things are

45:39happening around here. Then you can

45:40slowly implement more.

45:42>> Mhm.

45:42>> Uh we're aware of that

45:45in the final putting together that

45:48implementation

45:51is i- i-

45:52an important consideration. Okay. But

45:56my personal

45:57comment on that is

46:00I hope people don't say, "Oh, we can't

46:02implement. That's impossible. Too

46:04difficult. Too expensive." Now, we're

46:06going to have a positive outlook. Wait a

46:08minute. Let's think how we can do it

46:11rather than we cannot do it.

46:13>> Oh, I'm not knocking your ideas. I just

46:15got to find a way to get them there.

46:16>> Yeah. Okay.

46:18It's going to be a delicate document for

46:20us to put together, which is strong but

46:22not Oh my god, crazy.

46:25I don't worry about it.

46:26>> I think one of the reports we had looked

46:28at had the how.

46:30Um they had the what and the how, and

46:33they don't think it's

46:35Again, it's

46:37I'm being I'm I'm being redundant, so

46:39don't worry about it.

46:40>> Okay. All right, let's move on. I'm

46:42going to suggest this. I'm simply going

46:43to this moment comment

46:45I'm going to form a separate group

46:48called education. We can decide later

46:50whether we put anything in it or leave

46:53it out altogether. Okay?

46:55>> Can you say that again?

46:56>> forward.

46:57>> Mhm?

46:58I'm sorry, could you repeat that?

47:00>> I'm going to form a new

47:02category, education.

47:06>> And we haven't fully decided what should

47:08go in it or whether we even need it.

47:11We can decide that after, but at least

47:14make it that we don't forget it.

47:16>> Okay.

47:17>> All right?

47:18So, I'm just going to

47:20Can we Can we live with that for a

47:22moment?

47:25>> Sounds good.

47:26>> Okay?

47:27All right.

47:29Um

47:33Okay. Um that's that one.

47:36Again,

47:37uh

47:39I know we have stuff here, but there was

47:41a comment I also had

47:43People spoke quite a bit about senior

47:44citizens, their needs.

47:47Obviously, it's partly housing and uh

47:50it's got to be social services.

47:52Do we need a separate category? Oh,

47:55what do we want to do about the comments

47:57we have received

47:59about senior citizens?

48:01Any thoughts?

48:10No?

48:12We have housing. I

48:15under 4A we have we have listed senior

48:18housing.

48:19Um

48:22and there's a separate group maybe.

48:25Just leave this and make sure that we

48:27include them somewhere.

48:37Cuz we have a

48:38fairly

48:40percentage-wise sizable group of people

48:42who are seniors here and I think it's

48:44getting the percentage much much larger.

48:50>> Well,

48:52I sort of raised my hand, but I

48:56might Now that I finally have accepted

48:58the fact that I'm a senior,

49:00um

49:02you know,

49:03one is finding activities to do.

49:07And my situation is

49:10going to the YMCA and partaking in

49:14exercise classes, cardio classes for

49:16seniors. But I also know that there are

49:19a number of organizations available that

49:22I have not reached out to because I

49:24don't need their services. I see that

49:28availability for rides, um if I was to

49:31need a ride to do a doctor,

49:33um or to a supermarket.

49:36So, but I do

49:38So, I'm not sure that that is being

49:41neglected. I mean,

49:47I don't know how that has been

49:48translated into feedback

49:51specifically for my seniors.

49:54Um

49:55but we do have plenty of senior housing

49:58and a lot of it's well-rated.

50:02>> Um

50:03one of the comments I do remember when

50:06talking about housing in general

50:08is that they wished

50:10more housing not just senior housing in

50:14groups

50:15were available to seniors.

50:17Affordable senior housing.

50:20They didn't want to be in the, you know,

50:23the existing groups that they wanted to

50:25be separate.

50:27It It's maybe it should just come under

50:29affordability for, you know, and it was

50:32under the list of 4A, affordable housing

50:35for seniors.

50:36Uh also

50:39I don't know.

50:39>> Well,

50:40well

50:41>> [clears throat]

50:42>> having been through this recently uh

50:44with my father where

50:47we needed to get him care, it's

50:50really starts to

50:53go off to the federal government what

50:55services they can provide

50:57and what one's coverage is. If one was

51:00to be in an independent living situation

51:04and yet still needed daily health care

51:06visits.

51:07Um

51:09there

51:10the IRS actually allows for family

51:14members to be paid as long as it is at

51:17the going rate of that community for

51:19that service. And that helps them in the

51:22context that when

51:25and if when someone passes, it does not

51:28impact um their estate value because

51:32that was a

51:33valid service.

51:35Um so, independent housing

51:38for seniors because I think I know I

51:41want to live independently as long as I

51:42can. Um

51:45I would try to get someone in. But

51:47having a special community for that

51:52definitely becomes more difficult for us

51:54to try to define it. Whereas in some

51:57respects it might be real to define.

52:01I mean I don't think it's something we

52:02could address through zoning.

52:06>> Okay.

52:07It ties

52:08>> it

52:08>> Sorry.

52:09>> Affordable housing does category does

52:11capture it.

52:12>> Yeah, that's we have that there.

52:15Uh

52:17It ties in with

52:19also um

52:21the social services. That's another big

52:24thing

52:25but that's wider. That's also there many

52:27there were constant comments made

52:29throughout to us of the homeless

52:31situation in town.

52:33>> Mhm.

52:33>> And again it's the social service

52:36agencies that are handling that.

52:39But it was a constant comment

52:42that we received.

52:43>> It it showed up quite a bit. As it is

52:46around the country.

52:47>> Oh, it's happening. Yes.

52:48>> Yeah. Um

52:49Trying to figure out how to tie

52:53I guess if we're just assigning

52:54locations right now we don't have to

52:56answer the question.

52:58You know, I think

52:58>> Once

52:59my thinking is once we've got the major

53:01categories then we we stop we have to

53:03refund these into specific statements of

53:07goals.

53:08Okay. It's just

53:09>> Okay. Yeah, I I get that.

53:11>> Yeah. What category?

53:15>> Um

53:15>> So much of this stuff to in my mind

53:17falls into image and and and you know,

53:20in the end

53:22do we do do

53:25is it important how the seniors or the

53:27availability for good senior living

53:31you know, does that reflect on

53:33communities image?

53:35You know, and and to me it all kind of

53:37reflects on the communities image.

53:39>> Yeah.

53:39>> But I do think if it's tangible where

53:42some a shovel has to go in the ground or

53:45something like that

53:46in order to reach a goal,

53:49um, you know, I do think that, you know,

53:50it does fall into a little bit of the

53:53economic development because those type

53:55of places are usually built by

53:56developers

53:58to make money.

53:59You know,

54:00sub- you know, being subsidized or not.

54:03But I do think it's, you know, it can

54:04fall into the economic

54:06development um

54:09category or 4A.

54:11>> 4A? Okay, on the economic development

54:14>> it is.

54:15>> Yeah.

54:16That's where you have the housing and

54:18that's C and D.

54:19Any other comments, folks, up from you

54:22on the on the screen?

54:26>> Nope.

54:26>> I have something if nobody else does. I

54:29don't want to talk if someone else is

54:31going to speak.

54:32>> Please.

54:32>> It's hard to tell.

54:34Can you hear me okay?

54:36>> Yeah.

54:37>> Yeah.

54:37>> I think Adam had some really good

54:40points.

54:42And I

54:44I think they're

54:45maybe

54:47Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know.

54:49But part of what he was trying to say

54:51was there might be a more efficient way

54:53to organize the categories.

54:59>> I Yes. Tell me some more.

55:03>> Like for example

55:05one of our tools that we've been using

55:07for some things is like AI like chat

55:10GPT.

55:11So, and I know that Cody does really

55:14good work with that type of stuff in

55:16organizing it. So, couldn't we just take

55:18the categories that we have

55:21and insert the information and it does

55:23that part for us faster so we can start

55:26the statement?

55:30>> All right.

55:31>> He's basically saying that there's a

55:33quicker way to go about this and what

55:34what we're doing.

55:36>> Go ahead, tell me.

55:38>> I think she just did.

55:40I don't know if you can hear me, but I'm

55:41what I

55:43what I can what I'm interpreting what

55:44you're saying is there's a quicker way

55:46that we can go about doing this.

55:49Part of it and uh you know, you utilize

55:53either Copilot or chat

55:55GPT to help with that and that way we

55:57can start rolling up our sleeves and

55:59really starting to talk about these

56:00items.

56:01Is that what I'm hearing?

56:02>> That's Yeah, and I also think I could be

56:04wrong, but I think that's what Adam was

56:06trying to say, part of what he was

56:08saying, too.

56:14>> I think one of the one of the things

56:15that Adam I really what what I walk away

56:18with from what Adam said

56:20is just don't stop at 10,000 ft. Don't

56:23stop at at the idea.

56:25Um come up with with action items, come

56:28up with with the hows. And I remember I

56:31remember that. That was the thing I kind

56:33of walked away with or I'll be taking

56:35away with

56:36from Adam. And but I get what you're

56:37saying.

56:39Do you really that this is in in the end

56:42um

56:45you know, it is taking a little while.

56:47And and uh

56:49some point in time we do have to roll up

56:51our sleeves and start

56:53no matter what category they're in, they

56:54got to get talked about.

56:57So, I'm just talking about the

56:58individual items like senior housing.

57:00You know, we're talking [clears throat]

57:01about where it belongs in in in one of

57:04the goals.

57:05I think as we start, you know, let's

57:07keep it in 4A. As we start talking about

57:09it, maybe it moves over.

57:11>> That's fine.

57:11>> You know?

57:12>> We can move on.

57:13>> Yeah.

57:14>> Richard, you have your hand up.

57:16>> I do.

57:17Uh

57:18you certainly mentioned the utilization

57:21of AI and

57:24I have have used and utilized AI in a a

57:28number of different scenarios. Uh

57:31the document that

57:34I emailed out last week, uh,

57:37was created from AI,

57:40but what I asked it to do was to look at

57:43Cody's free report

57:45with all the questions and the answers,

57:47and

57:50come up with a hierarchy of

57:53recommendations, and it created a

57:56narrative as well, and I was hoping that

57:59could be used to to pick apart.

58:02And then I'm not sure if anybody's had a

58:03chance to read it, but that's the kind

58:05of

58:05report that we would probably get back

58:08from AI,

58:09but we could also ask it to summarize

58:12into categories, and then we can start

58:15to critique that.

58:17But, um,

58:18I mean, I'm not sure if anyone has any

58:19comments on the document that we handed

58:21out or emailed.

58:24>> I have read your comments and the whole

58:27thing, by the way, Richard, as I do.

58:30And you do there's a section there which

58:32I pulled out with headings

58:36that, you know,

58:37they were in effect category headings,

58:41which is there. There was a share part

58:42of it at the end it had that section.

58:45So, that's part of what we again, the

58:48only thing with the AI

58:50is that it does not always pick up the

58:52little details that we picked up.

58:55And I'm just trying to make sure we

58:57don't forget those little details so

58:59that the public doesn't afterwards say,

59:01"We talked about this and nobody's

59:03mentioned it."

59:04>> But it would have

59:05>> We don't want to everything in, but

59:07>> I think for most of us use use the tool,

59:11um, I use it to get 80% of the way

59:13there.

59:14>> Mhm.

59:15>> Um, and I I do think we need to take

59:18that

59:19into account. We have from the beginning

59:20where Cody has said I can use this for

59:22the data

59:23data mining, etc., and I think Jay Lee's

59:26point is

59:28we might be

59:31better use of our time to start

59:34rolling our sleeves up on this and worry

59:36about the categories maybe a little bit

59:38later or have or roll up our sleeves and

59:41have something else decide what category

59:43it goes in. I Jay Lee, I'm I'm only

59:47I that's just my interpretation of what

59:49you're saying. I'm off if I'm off base,

59:51let me know.

59:52>> I mean, based on everything that I'm

59:55taking in, I I mean

59:58organizing into categories and being

1:00:01able to

1:00:03put it all together in the end is

1:00:05important. I also think that um

1:00:09you know, based on what we've already

1:00:10organized and what we have left, yeah,

1:00:13like rolling up the sleeves thing,

1:00:15that's that's pretty well said cuz

1:00:17that's where I'm at anyway.

1:00:19>> Yeah.

1:00:21In the

1:00:22sheet that I had asked Ashley to send

1:00:25round

1:00:27where I made some suggestions, that was

1:00:29also where I said the time next has come

1:00:33to start setting goals. Specifically

1:00:37this is what we're asking, A B C, but it

1:00:40does need to some kind of a system

1:00:42of

1:00:43>> understood and organization

1:00:44>> and that's some form of organization.

1:00:47>> Yeah.

1:00:47>> Uh and just to make sure that we haven't

1:00:50left stuff out. That's all I'm asking.

1:00:52Uh but if there's a

1:00:54uh

1:00:55>> You know, I'm kind of I'm looking at at

1:01:05>> Okay.

1:01:07Jay Lee's got her hands up.

1:01:10>> Was somebody talking though? Cuz I it

1:01:12sounded like someone was about to talk.

1:01:13>> Paul was coughing.

1:01:14>> Paul was coughing and it sounded very

1:01:16similar.

1:01:17>> [clears throat]

1:01:17[laughter]

1:01:18>> Oh, yeah.

1:01:19Um

1:01:20so I remember when we had at first

1:01:23started, we all had five, I believe it

1:01:27was like vision statements. Is there a

1:01:29reason why we have five? Is that going

1:01:31to be like the framework for the

1:01:34statement?

1:01:36>> It's the beginning. And as a beginning,

1:01:38I sort of said, "What other ones do you

1:01:41want?

1:01:42What tell me what categories you want to

1:01:43use. I'm okay.

1:01:46>> Okay, so maybe we could just pick five

1:01:49main categories that mostly everything

1:01:51goes into and just start doing it.

1:01:53That's just I don't know, just a

1:01:54suggestion.

1:01:56>> Okay. This is the hard part.

1:01:59Yeah, this is definitely the hard part.

1:02:02And

1:02:03>> Cuz we want to make these meetings

1:02:04productive.

1:02:05>> Mhm.

1:02:06>> Um and and we want to walk away in my

1:02:09mind, I want to spend

1:02:11the time here

1:02:14and from this point forward to having a

1:02:16box checked

1:02:17and then move on to the next box or

1:02:19something.

1:02:20Yeah. And that's a hard thing to

1:02:22organize, especially

1:02:24um with with with with um this kind of

1:02:27subject and and and this kind of

1:02:29committee.

1:02:30But at some point in time,

1:02:32you know, I I'm a big believer in divide

1:02:35and conquer.

1:02:36And I don't know if that was the intent

1:02:38that that um you know, Jaylene and Paul

1:02:42work on, you know, the items that are

1:02:44number five.

1:02:45>> That's five, yeah.

1:02:46>> Or or something along those lines and

1:02:48Cody and Ted work on, you know, the

1:02:51items that are number four.

1:02:52And come up with something that then

1:02:55everybody can kind of talk about. But I

1:02:57think we have to have those kind of

1:03:00those kind of sessions and those kind of

1:03:02outcomes from these meetings. And again,

1:03:05folks, I'm spitballing here. That's all.

1:03:07Jaylene.

1:03:11>> In between.

1:03:12>> I Yeah, I'll Wait, I didn't want to Was

1:03:15that Richard? I didn't mean to cut you

1:03:16off.

1:03:17You're up. up

1:03:18>> and it's got Jaylene's next Jaylene's

1:03:20name next to it, but and Richard's is

1:03:22up, too, I guess.

1:03:23>> I'll go after Richard. Hold on. First, a

1:03:25little hand I have to put it down.

1:03:26>> I'll be short.

1:03:28Um I just wanted to mention the

1:03:29priorities that were established in that

1:03:31document came from the keywords and

1:03:34phrases as counted tabulated by the AI.

1:03:38And so

1:03:40maybe if we look at those and turn those

1:03:42into categories with AI

1:03:45because it was 100% based on that

1:03:49document of two documents that Colleen

1:03:52handed out

1:03:53what, two, three meetings ago?

1:03:57And

1:03:58>> Sounds about right.

1:03:59>> That's fed it into the AI and asked it

1:04:02to compare, tabulate, and

1:04:06it actually references back how many the

1:04:09frequencies of different requests. So, I

1:04:13mean

1:04:13I'm saying that the automation is

1:04:15something that should not be overlooked.

1:04:18And it's a good It's a good tool.

1:04:21And it can only give back what we ask

1:04:25it.

1:04:26I mean, it's not going to do it for us.

1:04:31But the 80% maybe all.

1:04:33All right. I'm going to hang up and let

1:04:35Jaylene talk.

1:04:37>> Um

1:04:39can you hear me okay?

1:04:41>> Yep.

1:04:42>> Hello. Okay.

1:04:44Um so

1:04:46just an idea maybe just

1:04:49say, like, okay, this, for example, like

1:04:53the town, if that was a category, or

1:04:55safety, like one of those, or those

1:04:58could be together, and just have that be

1:05:00like one of the

1:05:02like

1:05:03the main categories, like there could be

1:05:05subcategories,

1:05:07and like we focus on like five main

1:05:09categories, and kind of like build it

1:05:12around that, kind of like what we had to

1:05:14do when we initially

1:05:16did our own vision committee statements.

1:05:23>> That's okay. I mean, we have basically

1:05:25at the moment seven categories here.

1:05:28You want to change, add to also them,

1:05:31come up with new categories?

1:05:33Go ahead.

1:05:35I don't know what to say.

1:05:37But all I'm asking is

1:05:39put it under categories so that we know

1:05:41this goes under this goal group. That

1:05:44goes under that goal group.

1:05:49Go ahead.

1:05:49>> Okay. So, I think

1:05:52I'm just going to throw this out there

1:05:54again.

1:05:57I go with the if we have four goals,

1:06:00five goals or categories.

1:06:02Um I think Frank, what I'm hearing from

1:06:04you is let's just make sure that

1:06:08everything shows up somewhere.

1:06:10Right?

1:06:11>> That's going to be looked at.

1:06:13>> That's what we're talking about right

1:06:14now. Everything goes somewhere.

1:06:16>> It it it's yes. No, no, not only the

1:06:19main trends, but also the little

1:06:21details.

1:06:22>> Agreed.

1:06:23>> Yeah.

1:06:23>> Agreed. And and you know, when

1:06:25>> I I doesn't do that.

1:06:26>> No, I understand that. But if I'm taking

1:06:28a look at goal five, let's let me just

1:06:31play this out my tiny brain.

1:06:33>> Uh yeah.

1:06:33>> Okay. Look at uh uh uh

1:06:37Now, I look at goal five and say, "Okay,

1:06:39you know, Paul, you're going to be kind

1:06:41>> [clears throat]

1:06:42>> Paul, we're going to put you in charge

1:06:44of goal five coming up with all the

1:06:46different

1:06:47you know, items that that fall into this

1:06:50this this town management goal.

1:06:52You know, what did we hear about

1:06:53transit? What did we hear about blight?

1:06:55What did we hear about sidewalks,

1:06:57collaboration, youth activities, school

1:07:00communication? What did we hear? Cuz

1:07:01that goes back to what Cody said. What

1:07:03have we heard? Right?

1:07:05>> Mhm.

1:07:06>> And and I think we've got some themes

1:07:09that come in and kind of where where

1:07:11where

1:07:12um one of the tools of AI would be is if

1:07:14I take this report

1:07:17what is not just the hits, but what is

1:07:19the overriding theme I'm hearing about

1:07:21transit flight all these other items.

1:07:23And now this this kind of comes up with

1:07:26here's what the feedback has been as it

1:07:28relates to these items.

1:07:30>> Yeah.

1:07:30>> That's

1:07:31that's what the feedback is. And then

1:07:33out of that okay, if I was to develop

1:07:37municipal goals, community goals to

1:07:39address those items

1:07:41what items would I kind of come up with?

1:07:43That's the 80/20 rule in my mind. It

1:07:46gives me 80%

1:07:48Okay, but I remember we heard a bunch of

1:07:50times that that that you know, co-pilot

1:07:53isn't telling me

1:07:54um to to kind of fill in or in to to

1:07:58enhance

1:07:59>> Okay.

1:07:59>> what I've got here.

1:08:01And then out of that is okay, if I was

1:08:03to implement these things.

1:08:06Well, you know, what do you feel that

1:08:07you know, or you know, what how how can

1:08:09these goals be implemented? Which is

1:08:12going back to what Adam is saying.

1:08:14>> Yeah.

1:08:14>> You know, and if the thing I remember is

1:08:16Putnam had an action plan.

1:08:18>> Yes.

1:08:18>> When they got done with their vision

1:08:20vision plan. It wasn't

1:08:21>> aiming at.

1:08:22>> Yeah, and we got to have an action plan.

1:08:24>> Yes.

1:08:24>> So, I think Jaylee and Richard, am I

1:08:27saying it and maybe even Cody, am I

1:08:28saying the same thing that you're

1:08:30saying?

1:08:31That

1:08:32that the approach

1:08:36And then we might find out, you know

1:08:37what, you know,

1:08:38um

1:08:39you know, the school communication

1:08:41really maybe belongs over here instead

1:08:43of where where you at where it is with

1:08:45you, Paul.

1:08:45>> You can move any of this around.

1:08:47>> That's

1:08:48I don't know, guy, but I I think at some

1:08:50point we got to start writing.

1:08:52And

1:08:53>> Yeah, I'm not saying like we can use AI

1:08:56to actually write the vision statement.

1:08:57Obviously, we're going to write it, but

1:08:59I mean to maybe help with

1:09:03you know, kind of like the framework of

1:09:05just like the main categories just to

1:09:07get started.

1:09:09>> Yeah, I was thinking if there was a way

1:09:11that we could use it to go even a little

1:09:12bit further.

1:09:14Um

1:09:15>> There is if we

1:09:16come up with a um

1:09:19the right

1:09:20questions

1:09:22and we understand the content that it's

1:09:23looking at.

1:09:25>> Mhm. Okay. Like a template?

1:09:27>> Everybody is going to review everybody's

1:09:29homework.

1:09:30So to speak.

1:09:31>> Yes.

1:09:32>> You know, to where

1:09:34where that comes in. Part of me is

1:09:36looking at the clock.

1:09:38We're supposed to have something done

1:09:39for December.

1:09:41>> Yeah.

1:09:41>> October 1st.

1:09:43>> Yeah.

1:09:44>> I'd rather not try to do this and wrap

1:09:46it up in the last 2 weeks.

1:09:48If possible.

1:09:50>> Absolutely.

1:09:51>> So

1:09:52>> That's why

1:09:53>> Along those lines, I'd like to maybe

1:09:56walk away with our own action plans.

1:09:58What has to happen over the next 2

1:10:00weeks?

1:10:01I I again, folks, I'm just talking.

1:10:04But

1:10:06>> One of the things I did say to suggest

1:10:08and I showed that's the end of input

1:10:11what we're putting into these different

1:10:13categories. Next thing

1:10:16it has to be converted, whatever way we

1:10:18do it, into specific goals.

1:10:21>> Mhm.

1:10:21>> That's the next step. No more input, no

1:10:24more categories, different ones after

1:10:26today. This is it.

1:10:27>> We know that. That's that category.

1:10:29>> forward

1:10:30>> the the the um reconnaissance is done.

1:10:33It's been done about a month

1:10:35now and you know, we got some really

1:10:37great info out of it.

1:10:39But my question is, okay.

1:10:41We're here. We got the categories done.

1:10:43Where do we go now? What do we how do

1:10:45how do we do it now?

1:10:47>> I agree.

1:10:49You folks up on the screen

1:10:52you have ideas, do you, how to convert

1:10:55this now into

1:10:58specific goals

1:10:59which are saying we are going to

1:11:03recommend, suggest A B C D.

1:11:09If you have thoughts, go ahead or who

1:11:11would be prepared to do it?

1:11:16>> I was like, is anyone else trying to

1:11:18talk? Cuz I can I have some ideas, but I

1:11:21don't want to like over like talk over

1:11:23anybody.

1:11:25>> Go ahead, Shelly.

1:11:27>> Um so, I remember I think we had other

1:11:31vision statements for other towns and

1:11:35maybe we could

1:11:37use that

1:11:38and some sort of like an AI tool to help

1:11:43us try to like set up like a template or

1:11:46like the framework with the information

1:11:48that we have

1:11:50starting with like the main categories.

1:11:56>> Okay, but bear in mind, I think

1:11:58we

1:11:59unless I'm wrong, we've all agreed that

1:12:02the output on the final statement will

1:12:05be along the lines similar to the one

1:12:08that Putnam has put out.

1:12:10Everybody liked that.

1:12:12So, that's a Yes, so maybe we could

1:12:15that's fine.

1:12:17>> Maybe we could use that. Like I don't

1:12:21have a copy of it in front of me, but if

1:12:23I

1:12:24um have a copy of that one in front of

1:12:26me, then it would be like be able to

1:12:29help me figure out how to organize this

1:12:33one a little bit better cuz I'm not

1:12:34trying to like wrap it all up in a day

1:12:37either, but I'm also not trying to you

1:12:39know

1:12:41be less efficient when we have other

1:12:43tools that we might be able to utilize

1:12:44to be more efficient. That's all.

1:12:49>> Yeah, I'm looking at the Putnam one now

1:12:51and you know something, the categories

1:12:52are are interesting. They're a little

1:12:53more poetic than than scientifically.

1:12:56Their categories Putnam is cleaning

1:12:58beautiful. Then they listed out seven

1:13:00things, seven visions to make that

1:13:03reality. The next one is Putnam is a

1:13:05thriving and growing business community.

1:13:07And they listed out another seven items.

1:13:09You know, so it's like

1:13:13You know what I mean? They're they're

1:13:13not just saying like transportation is a

1:13:15category. They're they're I think

1:13:16they're using

1:13:18their categories are visions.

1:13:20And then they're putting in if you look

1:13:22at it, it's a pretty to your point, it's

1:13:23a good doc.

1:13:26>> Glenn, do you have that electronically

1:13:27that you could send out to us?

1:13:29>> I'll send it out.

1:13:30>> yeah. So that's yeah. So that's I yeah.

1:13:33>> Yeah, I

1:13:33>> Thank you.

1:13:34>> I've certainly handed it out quite a few

1:13:36times.

1:13:37>> I have a hard copy at home too.

1:13:39>> I can

1:13:40ask Jay Lee to

1:13:42excuse me, Ashley to send it out again.

1:13:44I have copies of it.

1:13:46I want you need to bear one other thing

1:13:48in mind when doing this. And that is

1:13:51what the town

1:13:54asked us to do.

1:13:55>> Mhm.

1:13:56>> And for example, one of the market

1:13:59visions here is branding or whatever it

1:14:01is. They specifically asked so we have

1:14:04to

1:14:05put suggestions and recommendations for

1:14:07that. They asked for it.

1:14:10They wanted one on communication.

1:14:12>> But based on our meeting of a couple of

1:14:14weeks ago, we even had a hard time

1:14:16defining what branding and marketing

1:14:18was. But we now have some ideas.

1:14:20>> Yeah. I think what I you know, Glenn's

1:14:22Glenn's point is is well taken about

1:14:25what Putnam did.

1:14:26This is this is truly the vision that

1:14:29it's a great place to live. That it's a

1:14:31you know, that it's that that you know,

1:14:33like said, our our vision might be that

1:14:35we will work to maintain our rural

1:14:37nature. Something along those lines.

1:14:39That in itself alone is is part of a

1:14:42branding statement.

1:14:43>> Yes.

1:14:44>> Yeah, I was going to say their

1:14:44categories are marketing statements.

1:14:46Putnam has Putnam has a helpful land use

1:14:49department. Well, it's a category. You

1:14:51know, again that's a vague one, but

1:14:53that's what they're You know what I

1:14:54mean? They they've made a brochure and

1:14:56then

1:14:58kind of put action steps and priorities

1:15:01below each category as though you know,

1:15:03how they're going to make this

1:15:05that real that a reality.

1:15:08>> So, the step that we would like to do

1:15:10next

1:15:11is convert what we have here

1:15:14into a department statement.

1:15:18Right?

1:15:23Sure, categories, goals.

1:15:25>> That's what I'm seeing.

1:15:27>> Yeah.

1:15:29>> Okay.

1:15:31Are there any volunteers who would like

1:15:33to do that?

1:15:36I'm willing to try it if you wish, but

1:15:38>> I I I'd like that I'd like to help with

1:15:41that. It's something that will probably

1:15:43be a bit of an email train.

1:15:45>> Okay.

1:15:45>> Back and forth?

1:15:46>> Okay. I can work with you.

1:15:48>> Yeah.

1:15:49Um

1:15:51you know, I think um Sarah's not here,

1:15:53so we can volunteer her.

1:15:56Um

1:15:57>> [laughter]

1:15:57>> but but I but I have in my mind

1:15:59>> Can I see her in the lower right?

1:16:01>> Yeah. Uh but I have in my mind though

1:16:03that Sarah's somewhat involved with that

1:16:05world that where she works.

1:16:08But

1:16:09>> One thing I can do which is

1:16:11>> I I also don't think it's you know, why

1:16:13we can't

1:16:15throw ideas against the wall and include

1:16:16everybody on it or I don't know. We'll

1:16:19see how that works.

1:16:21>> If you were volunteering

1:16:25Sure. I could work with you.

1:16:27>> [clears throat]

1:16:27>> Yeah, so the next the next step is to

1:16:29turn those categories into vision

1:16:31statements with supporting documents the

1:16:34supporting evidence. That's the next

1:16:36step.

1:16:36>> Yeah. Yeah.

1:16:38Exactly. No more extra have more further

1:16:41input conversion into goals. That's our

1:16:44next step.

1:16:46Starting today.

1:16:48Oh, thank you.

1:16:49>> Well, I don't don't thank me cuz I'm not

1:16:51doing it by myself.

1:16:53>> Because you want to

1:16:54>> A ton of like everybody working a ton of

1:16:55forever.

1:16:58But my thought is is

1:17:00I will I think it's something that quite

1:17:03frankly the tools that we've been

1:17:05talking about can be utilized to come up

1:17:07with something along those lines. I'm

1:17:09just saying we don't have my point was

1:17:11we don't have to wait for a meeting to

1:17:12get going on that.

1:17:13>> No, I agree.

1:17:14>> That was my point.

1:17:15>> Yeah, get it going.

1:17:18Anybody else who would like to work on

1:17:20this?

1:17:21>> Well, what I would like to try to do

1:17:24is prepare a statement for AI

1:17:28to look at a digital version of what is

1:17:31going to be centered around as the

1:17:33action plan and see if I can get the

1:17:37categories and create a matrix

1:17:39in that format and see what it if it's

1:17:42able to process

1:17:44the two um

1:17:46disparage you

1:17:47the two different types of reports, but

1:17:50I think it will be able to.

1:17:52And it all depends on how the question

1:17:55is put. I would also like all for you to

1:17:58continue with your volunteering as well.

1:18:01>> I'm not sure how that happened, but

1:18:02okay.

1:18:04But

1:18:04>> Yeah, no, I

1:18:06>> I'm just saying that

1:18:08with that extra information

1:18:10>> Mhm.

1:18:11>> uh that we already have and trying to

1:18:14put it into the action plan in

1:18:17the in the same way that Putnam has it

1:18:20uh

1:18:21AI can go through

1:18:23everything that Cody did

1:18:25it can go through

1:18:27the redundancy of what my report created

1:18:30from Cody's data

1:18:32and then see if it can match it up in

1:18:34that hierarchy.

1:18:38>> But just to clarify like the Putnam

1:18:39thing I'm looking at it's not a vision

1:18:40statement. It's the It's the action plan

1:18:45that comes out of it. So we'd still have

1:18:46to have a narrative, right?

1:18:48>> But I don't know what kind of narrative

1:18:50we need.

1:18:52I

1:18:52>> Well, just something just that maybe to

1:18:53explain what the committee is and what

1:18:55the committee did

1:18:56and what we heard.

1:18:58>> looked at before of this is the vision

1:19:00committees, this is the goal, this is

1:19:01what we're doing. And here are the

1:19:03>> Right.

1:19:04>> And by the way, this is what the town

1:19:06council asked us to do. We going to list

1:19:08it and say that this is what they asked

1:19:10us to do. This is our response. We can

1:19:12change that at the end if we don't want

1:19:14to do that.

1:19:16But other than that it's just and then

1:19:18as an appendix

1:19:20Cody's report for example should go and

1:19:22be included as an appendix because it

1:19:25all came out and it's all there and we

1:19:27need to see that.

1:19:29Uh

1:19:29I've I've got a list together of all the

1:19:32people we spoke to in the in the

1:19:33appendix. So but that's separate. Forget

1:19:37that for the moment.

1:19:38Goal

1:19:40derivation and statements of according

1:19:43to the style of Putnam is what we need

1:19:46to do now.

1:19:48That's the next step.

1:19:50And it would be nice if we could

1:19:52complete this no later at the very

1:19:54latest

1:19:55at the end of this month. Two weeks

1:19:57before would be better.

1:19:59Complete what

1:20:00uh

1:20:01the Putnam format with these kind of

1:20:04things in what we think

1:20:06will be the killing these

1:20:08list.

1:20:09>> I wanted to throw out an idea I was I

1:20:11was thinking about today.

1:20:13Um would it be worthwhile bringing in at

1:20:16the very end

1:20:18that consultant that we had talked with?

1:20:21>> If people wish we can

1:20:22>> To have to have them just take a look at

1:20:25maybe at the 50% mark or 75% mark

1:20:29and have a somebody who not knee deep

1:20:33into this, but is looking at it for what

1:20:36it is. It's a report, the vision.

1:20:38And and I don't know what the what the

1:20:40team thinks of that or the committee

1:20:42thinks of that.

1:20:44I do forget.

1:20:46>> Comments on that from others?

1:20:48>> I think it's a great idea.

1:20:52>> So, would you like me to get

1:20:54the town or Ashley to arrange for a

1:20:59I'm assuming

1:21:00through Zoom, right? Or we going to send

1:21:02him a draft?

1:21:03>> I would send him a draft.

1:21:04>> Yeah, send him a draft and then

1:21:06>> Yeah.

1:21:06>> ask him to Zoom us back when talking or

1:21:10just write a report.

1:21:11>> No, I I think conversation is much

1:21:14better. I I I thought the conversation

1:21:16we had with them

1:21:18in terms of some of the things and steps

1:21:19we were taking was beneficial.

1:21:20Conversation would be better.

1:21:23On on on that type of thing and you

1:21:25know, let him sit on it and read it for

1:21:26a week or whatever and

1:21:282 weeks. So,

1:21:30you know, I'm kind of

1:21:33I'm in construction, so

1:21:35we we work a lot with schedules.

1:21:38So, if we're going to publish something,

1:21:40I I'd like to identify a published date

1:21:43and then work our way backwards.

1:21:45And that's to okay, you know, 2 weeks

1:21:47before that we should have this done,

1:21:49blah blah blah, between now and and and

1:21:52October 1st.

1:21:54So, I'm not sure we're going to be able

1:21:55to do that timeline tonight,

1:21:58>> Okay.

1:21:59>> but you know, or and I don't know.

1:22:01>> It's up to the group, whatever.

1:22:02>> Yeah.

1:22:04>> You decide.

1:22:07>> You know, I know Glenn's in project

1:22:09management, so I think that

1:22:14>> Okay.

1:22:15Are you thinking

1:22:17a month from now to organize

1:22:20the group again?

1:22:21>> at the beginning of November and and I

1:22:24Excuse me. [clears throat]

1:22:27>> Yes.

1:22:27>> Um yeah, I guess a month from now to

1:22:29just do a bit of a check-in, but

1:22:32I'm very concerned that that

1:22:35um

1:22:37and maybe this is me again just having a

1:22:39small small mindset

1:22:41of of um

1:22:44who's writing what about what, I guess.

1:22:47And and

1:22:48right now I'm I'm I'm taking on lead of

1:22:50the, you know, making the categories

1:22:53bigger than what they are, you know,

1:22:55more

1:22:56um

1:22:58>> [clears throat]

1:22:58>> more

1:22:59whatever more goal more more of a goal.

1:23:01>> Yeah, vision-based, yeah.

1:23:03>> Yeah, and that's

1:23:05that's the least of the legwork.

1:23:07>> Okay.

1:23:07>> You know, that's you know, when are we

1:23:09going to actually take

1:23:12the the opinions of the community and

1:23:14translate them into, like you said, a

1:23:17a narrative of what we've heard and and

1:23:19a narrative of where

1:23:21where we think it should go and and you

1:23:23know, all of that stuff.

1:23:24>> I think what you have I think that

1:23:25part's going to flow really

1:23:27fast, Paul, to be honest with you. I

1:23:29think it I think what we're struggling

1:23:30with is just what's that what's that

1:23:33vision category and I think

1:23:35everything we've heard I think we'll

1:23:36roll off after that. You know, if I was

1:23:38to say like hypothetically, you know,

1:23:41one of our vision statements is to make

1:23:43make downtown Danielson a

1:23:45family-friendly

1:23:47shopping and recreational experience,

1:23:49right? I betcha if we went around every

1:23:51single one of us heard something that

1:23:52would we could then put into an action

1:23:54plan, right? Toilets, transportation,

1:23:56parking,

1:23:58public safety, you know what I mean? I

1:23:59think

1:24:00I think once we have that theme, I think

1:24:03we're going to be off to the races.

1:24:04>> Okay.

1:24:05When should we give ourselves a goal

1:24:09of a draft being available?

1:24:12A a draft available to

1:24:14>> available to the consultant.

1:24:16>> Available to the consultant, available

1:24:17to ourselves.

1:24:19You know, is Is 6 weeks from now, 4

1:24:21weeks from now?

1:24:22>> Yeah, 40 45 days at the most. Preferably

1:24:26preferably 30, right?

1:24:28>> That's what I'm thinking and I I do

1:24:29think this is

1:24:30>> Yeah.

1:24:32>> Yeah.

1:24:33That's it.

1:24:34>> Um I really liked Paul's idea earlier of

1:24:37divide and conquer.

1:24:39Maybe um

1:24:42after we get the like the categories or

1:24:45like the main framework set up, we could

1:24:47like pair up and do like what you were

1:24:51maybe

1:24:52suggesting earlier and

1:24:55um

1:24:56do all like the little pieces from each

1:24:58category.

1:25:01>> Great idea. Yeah, I think so.

1:25:04>> I think that works.

1:25:07Okay, so I'm going to give myself and

1:25:09and and and a week to throw out

1:25:13category enhancers.

1:25:15>> Okay.

1:25:16>> Um to to to to you know, if you and I

1:25:19want to bounce some stuff off of it, I

1:25:21will work with you on that and then we

1:25:23you know, we turn around a week

1:25:24>> You know if you wish me to

1:25:26>> No, I I I am the least creative person

1:25:28here.

1:25:29So

1:25:31um

1:25:32>> Uh that's

1:25:33>> I I'm I'm like I said, I'm

1:25:35I'm in construction. [clears throat]

1:25:36Show me what you want me to do and I'll

1:25:38build it, but you do the plans and you

1:25:40do the design.

1:25:42Uh

1:25:44So I think uh but again, somebody's got

1:25:46to start somewhere, so let's let's do

1:25:47it.

1:25:48>> Okay.

1:25:48Do that. And then please help get some

1:25:51help now from all of you. What's the

1:25:53next step specifically?

1:25:55And Jay Lee uh you've been talking about

1:25:59two three people.

1:26:00Give me some specific ideas what we are

1:26:04going to do next.

1:26:07>> That's

1:26:08>> The next step is that we have we have

1:26:10how many categories we have written down

1:26:11right now? Seven, you said Frank.

1:26:13>> seven, yeah, that's seven all right,

1:26:14yeah. Mhm.

1:26:16>> Okay, uh we need that in an email with a

1:26:19signed

1:26:20who's going to tackle what. That is the

1:26:22immediate next step.

1:26:25>> Okay. Did you get

1:26:27>> To organize, looking through

1:26:29Richard's report, my report, looking at

1:26:33just kind of organizing those

1:26:34statements,

1:26:36those categories, and then finding the

1:26:39supporting evidence for each one of

1:26:41those

1:26:42each one of those categories. That's

1:26:45To me, that's the immediate next step.

1:26:47>> Okay. So, if I get Did you guys receive

1:26:51these five sheets that Ashley sent out

1:26:55to you?

1:26:55>> [clears throat]

1:26:58>> I don't remember seeing one.

1:26:59>> I mean, I asked her to.

1:27:01I said, "Give me heart." But,

1:27:03I asked her to include them to every

1:27:05>> I got some things, but I don't know if I

1:27:07have exactly what you're talking about.

1:27:09>> Well, the one that

1:27:10>> She was uh

1:27:11>> the goal one, goal two, goal three, goal

1:27:13four, goal five.

1:27:16>> Yeah, it They were sent out.

1:27:19>> Yeah, we have we have They came in at

1:27:2111:08 a.m. on 7:29, I believe.

1:27:24>> And when?

1:27:27>> Just I can I can reforward it if

1:27:30somebody needs

1:27:30>> Yesterday, they came in.

1:27:33Or the day before.

1:27:36>> Okay. Yeah, okay. So, she did send it to

1:27:38all of you, which is good. Okay.

1:27:42And so, Cody, back to you.

1:27:45Are you going to wait for Paul to finish

1:27:48and then we do your step?

1:27:53>> Uh

1:27:56Uh what Finish what?

1:27:58>> I'm coming up with enhancing the

1:28:00the category names.

1:28:02And and converting the category names

1:28:04into to some kind of goals.

1:28:08>> And then you were suggesting that it be

1:28:11subdivided one or two

1:28:13be given to each committee member.

1:28:15>> That's what I was thinking. I was

1:28:16thinking of that's the divide and

1:28:17conquer thing that I was talking about.

1:28:19To where we divide those up and

1:28:22>> Is that the next step? I just want to

1:28:24know specifically what are we going to

1:28:26do in the next two weeks, four weeks?

1:28:32>> I think Cody can

1:28:33>> Yeah, I I think I think I think the next

1:28:35meeting all all of us are expected to

1:28:38bring our uh report of what you know,

1:28:42what supporting evidence based on all of

1:28:44the information we have

1:28:47uh that supports the you know, the the

1:28:50voice of the the voice of the people,

1:28:51right? And that all of the reports that

1:28:53we have out there, the data.

1:28:55Uh we have one category

1:28:57and we have just the supporting

1:28:59evidence. That's it.

1:29:01And then from there, you know, that

1:29:03meeting, the end of that the outcome of

1:29:05that meeting is that we finalize a at

1:29:08least the you know,

1:29:10Those are just categories, but we need a

1:29:12we need a statement for each one of

1:29:14those like that Putnam has. Putnam is

1:29:17beautiful, right? So like we have

1:29:19categories right now. That's all we

1:29:21have. We have categories and evidence.

1:29:22>> Yes.

1:29:23>> Right? So we have to align the evidence

1:29:26with the categories that we have

1:29:29determined here and then the next

1:29:32meeting we bring all of you know, each

1:29:35category with the evidence and then we

1:29:38the then we create a a short one

1:29:42sentence memorable, right? Like you

1:29:45know, statement that that that for each

1:29:47category that describes the vision

1:29:51for that category. That that I think

1:29:52that's where we're at and

1:29:55uh the next and that would be the goal

1:29:57of the next meeting.

1:29:59>> I'm going to back up a little bit on

1:30:00that. I think what you just said was

1:30:02what I was intending to do in the

1:30:04upcoming week.

1:30:06Take the category the items that are

1:30:08within the category, and at least

1:30:10establish

1:30:12either a mission statement or branding

1:30:13statement or marketing statement out of

1:30:15those particular categories.

1:30:18Um what I'm kind of thinking of

1:30:21that gets done over the next week.

1:30:24And then and even if we didn't give them

1:30:26new names, the work has to get done.

1:30:29Um

1:30:31but we're doing the work under a

1:30:32framework of a title that we kind of

1:30:34think makes sense.

1:30:36That's when I think we divide it up and

1:30:37go

1:30:37>> Oh, okay. Okay, I understand. All right.

1:30:39So, you All right. So, the goal for each

1:30:42of us individually with assigned

1:30:44categories would be to look at the

1:30:46evidence, the category, and then

1:30:49ourselves bring a submission of a vision

1:30:53uh sentence.

1:30:53>> Yeah, and I Yeah, and like I said, I'm

1:30:55going to start

1:30:56>> to review on the next meeting.

1:30:57>> But what I'd like to do is all be email.

1:31:01You know, Frank and I will bounce stuff

1:31:02off of one another, and then

1:31:05you know, I I would I would then

1:31:08recommend that maybe Frank and Fred get

1:31:10together, whatever it might be. But

1:31:12within a week or two, say two,

1:31:16Frank says, you know, Paul and Jay Lee,

1:31:18I want you to work on this cat on this

1:31:20on this mission.

1:31:22You know, Cody and and and and Glenn

1:31:24work on this mission.

1:31:26>> Okay.

1:31:26>> And and we've got seven of them. Maybe

1:31:28we pair them down to five, but you know,

1:31:31maybe you know, I take you know, we take

1:31:32two of them uh

1:31:33>> Mhm.

1:31:34>> And then do what you're talking about,

1:31:36Cody. Show up at the at the October

1:31:39meeting

1:31:40with the results of our work. What do

1:31:43you think?

1:31:44>> For our section, right? Yeah.

1:31:47>> What do you think, Cody?

1:31:48>> Yeah. Yeah, okay, that's clear. I

1:31:49understand now. Thank you.

1:31:51>> Do you you

1:31:52>> Can you please explain it one more time

1:31:54so I can understand like in order our

1:31:58priorities of what we're doing, please?

1:32:00>> Sure. The first week, the upcoming week,

1:32:03we're going to kind of take the

1:32:05categories and rebrand the categories,

1:32:07lack of a better term.

1:32:09And after that is done,

1:32:12um

1:32:13>> Oh, is that what you're going to do,

1:32:15Paul?

1:32:15>> That's what I was That's what I was

1:32:17understanding that I was doing.

1:32:18>> Okay. So, you and Frank are going to do

1:32:20that. Okay.

1:32:21>> work We're going to bounce stuff off the

1:32:23ideas.

1:32:24Open it when you see them. Again,

1:32:26they're not Nothing is cast in stone,

1:32:28but they may change based on the work

1:32:30that I'm about to explain.

1:32:32And then after that, Frank decides,

1:32:35"Okay,

1:32:37divide and conquer.

1:32:38You know, Paul and Jay Lee, you know,

1:32:40why don't you guys work on this?"

1:32:42And then you and I might have a phone

1:32:44call or a conversation of some kind.

1:32:47>> Okay. Is this going to be before our

1:32:49next meeting?

1:32:50>> Uh In my mind, if we're going to If

1:32:52we're going to Yes.

1:32:54Because if In my mind, if we're going to

1:32:56deliver something or have a draft by mid

1:32:59my by mid-December,

1:33:03I think we we need to be doing work

1:33:05before we show up in November at at the

1:33:08end of October's meeting.

1:33:10I think we got to come with product.

1:33:12>> Yes.

1:33:13>> You know? And and and cuz that's what I

1:33:15got the sense that Cody was was

1:33:17thinking.

1:33:18>> Yeah, and at the end of the day, like

1:33:20within the categories and the

1:33:22subcategories, initially like some of

1:33:24them are problems that we're looking to

1:33:26solve, too. So, that takes a little bit

1:33:29more time to translate as well.

1:33:31>> I completely agree, but I think if we

1:33:34wait till October's meeting to start,

1:33:36we'll never get done.

1:33:38I'd rather come in with some kind of

1:33:40presentation,

1:33:41um perfectly open saying, you know,

1:33:44"Hey, by the way, this is what you know,

1:33:46Jay Lee, you know, this is what Jay Lee

1:33:48and Paul This is kind of what we came up

1:33:50if you want to review before the meeting

1:33:52or or something or I don't know. I All

1:33:56of what I'm saying is I'm throwing stuff

1:33:58out there, but I do know we have a

1:34:00deadline.

1:34:01And and

1:34:02that's my point is somehow between now

1:34:05and the end of the month these things

1:34:06get divided, they at least get get get

1:34:10get tackled.

1:34:11>> Okay.

1:34:12>> Okay, so should we set a timeline like

1:34:15before the next meeting and like each of

1:34:17us pair up?

1:34:19Okay.

1:34:20>> Paul, you have a week, you say. We'll

1:34:22give it a week.

1:34:23>> Oh, yeah. Great, I got another boss.

1:34:25>> to like another

1:34:26>> [laughter]

1:34:27>> in the middle of the month to take a

1:34:29good look at Paul and then designate to

1:34:31everybody what they going to be doing.

1:34:34>> Say that again.

1:34:35>> Do you wish to have

1:34:37an earlier meeting in the middle of this

1:34:40month

1:34:41to review what you basically done and

1:34:44then assign it to the others what they

1:34:47are going to do?

1:34:48>> We can talk about I I think

1:34:50we could do a 30-minute or a 45-minute

1:34:53phone call.

1:34:54I don't know if I'm allowed to

1:34:55>> They'll like it.

1:34:55>> allowed to do that. But

1:34:56>> Right.

1:34:57>> do a 45-minute phone call, go through

1:34:59the heading and and Glenn say, "You know

1:35:01what? I'm really passionate about this."

1:35:04You know, Jay Lee might say, "I really I

1:35:05care about that."

1:35:07>> But let me ask a question.

1:35:08>> And we do that in a maybe within 2

1:35:10weeks.

1:35:10>> What whatever you come up with

1:35:12>> Mhm.

1:35:14>> will be subject you think to changes by

1:35:16the

1:35:16>> Absolutely absolutely. I think in the

1:35:19end what I come up with is going to be

1:35:22affected by what the content is. And it

1:35:24might be tweaked a bit, but at least

1:35:27it's I'm thinking it I'm going to you

1:35:29know, we're trying to set a

1:35:31like like Glenn had pointed out, you're

1:35:33kind of setting a a almost setting up an

1:35:36umbrella and you're kind of

1:35:37or reverse umbrella, whatever you want

1:35:38to call it, just setting a tone

1:35:40for that category.

1:35:42>> No.

1:35:42>> Bearing that in mind,

1:35:44>> Mhm.

1:35:45>> when do you want me to speak about

1:35:47getting the consultant to look at it? A

1:35:50month from now?

1:35:52>> I You're saying no. And my my thought is

1:35:54this.

1:35:56I would like us as a team in October to

1:35:59spend the meeting

1:36:02maybe finalizing the draft.

1:36:04>> That's the last week in October.

1:36:06>> Yeah, the last last Wednesday in

1:36:08October.

1:36:08>> Yes.

1:36:09>> Throwing it out, folks, but maybe that's

1:36:11when you know, we have That's when we're

1:36:13getting together. We're looking at

1:36:15everybody else's presentation and work.

1:36:17>> Mhm.

1:36:18>> Okay? We all

1:36:20copies of whatever we got to do. And

1:36:22then we say, "Okay, this is We're going

1:36:24to put it together in a draft." And

1:36:26maybe I have my laptop with me. And And

1:36:28I don't know. I don't know the mechanics

1:36:30of it, but I do think by the end of the

1:36:32month

1:36:33like let's uh or no later than the

1:36:35middle of November, we have a draft that

1:36:37we can send

1:36:38>> End of the month would be better.

1:36:40>> Yeah, end of the month would be better.

1:36:41>> Yes.

1:36:42>> You know? But I don't want speed to turn

1:36:44into

1:36:46>> Yeah.

1:36:47>> Just cuz the speed into it turn it into

1:36:49a five-page document.

1:36:50>> Yeah.

1:36:51>> Yeah, you know? Like

1:36:52>> Back to the consultant then. Like the

1:36:54middle of November

1:36:55>> Let's talk Yeah, shoot him for the

1:36:57>> Because this has to be arranged ahead of

1:36:59time whether he can come or not.

1:37:01>> Yeah, let's tell him the middle of

1:37:02November.

1:37:03>> Everybody in agreement with what Paul is

1:37:05saying.

1:37:06>> And if it doesn't work, we'll push him

1:37:07off a week or two. Whatever it might be.

1:37:09>> Yeah.

1:37:10>> So, are we doing a phone call or are we

1:37:12meeting?

1:37:12>> No, I'm going to No, I would I would My

1:37:14thought is we we we we send him the

1:37:17draft and then

1:37:19uh we we maybe have a special meeting

1:37:23through a phone call or whatever. Yeah,

1:37:25not not

1:37:25>> Are we going to set the date and time

1:37:27now before we end this meeting?

1:37:31>> Wow. Um

1:37:33>> Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Are

1:37:34you Are we talking about the same thing?

1:37:35Are you talking about our next meeting,

1:37:36Jaylia, the one with the consultant?

1:37:38>> I I thought we were focused on the

1:37:40consultant right now.

1:37:41>> Okay. Let Let me try something.

1:37:43>> Well, I just want to clarify.

1:37:44>> Let's call him Yeah, I'm just thinking

1:37:48I don't see how we would be ready for a

1:37:50consultant to review a draft by the end

1:37:52of the month.

1:37:52>> I agree.

1:37:53>> Okay.

1:37:53>> Middle of November.

1:37:55>> I think we give ourselves a goal in the

1:37:56middle of November. I think we'll walk

1:37:58away from October with an action plan to

1:38:01wrap things up.

1:38:03We can do that. Somebody has to type all

1:38:06of this and put it into something

1:38:08feasible, and I don't know if that's

1:38:09Ashley or not.

1:38:10>> Well,

1:38:12I have spoken to Jill Sinclair, who has

1:38:14said she would help us with this report.

1:38:16>> That's all the words we need.

1:38:17>> So, I think through her

1:38:19>> Okay.

1:38:20>> we can

1:38:21move it.

1:38:22>> Yeah. Okay. That's good. That's good.

1:38:24>> I want dates.

1:38:26Two weeks from now

1:38:28it is going to be like just a Zoom

1:38:30conversation

1:38:31>> Mhm.

1:38:32>> about what you've done.

1:38:34At which point we're going to assign two

1:38:36people

1:38:37what they want to

1:38:39clarify, write, etc.

1:38:41>> Mhm.

1:38:41>> End of the month, that'll be finished.

1:38:44That's again End of October.

1:38:45>> fine. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, we can

1:38:47have it, yeah.

1:38:48>> Okay. So, that the middle of November

1:38:51we'll tentatively

1:38:53schedule in the consultant.

1:38:54>> Mhm.

1:38:55>> Am I clear on those dates, everybody?

1:38:58>> Well, let's get some date dates. So,

1:39:00October 14th going to be a Zoom meeting

1:39:02to go over Paul's

1:39:04>> Okay.

1:39:05>> I'm just putting this in the minutes for

1:39:07So, go over Paul's

1:39:09categories.

1:39:10>> Mhm. Okay.

1:39:11>> Or or visions.

1:39:12>> Yeah. And then I'm sorry, and then

1:39:14>> we're going to meet.

1:39:16>> Okay.

1:39:18But you'll be able to come in

1:39:19>> Yeah, sure.

1:39:20>> Okay.

1:39:21So, October meeting is the first

1:39:23meeting. It'll be through Zoom and also

1:39:25here.

1:39:26>> I'm not available 6:00 to 8:00 that

1:39:29night.

1:39:31>> Okay.

1:39:32>> Well, it doesn't It doesn't I just chose

1:39:33a Wednesday, so it doesn't even have to

1:39:35be a Wednesday.

1:39:36>> have to be a Wednesday.

1:39:36>> So, the week of the week of October

1:39:3812th, is there a better date for

1:39:40anybody? If it's going to be a Zoom

1:39:41call, right? It's

1:39:42>> October 12th would be a Monday.

1:39:45>> Yeah, so between the 12th and I'm

1:39:46assuming nobody wants to meet on a

1:39:47Friday. So, the 12th, 13th, 14th, or

1:39:4915th. Does any of those days work?

1:39:51>> I mean, a Monday would be better and

1:39:53Wednesdays I have

1:39:55Special Olympics, so I think if I

1:39:57minimize those that would be good.

1:39:59Do you want to try Why don't we do Why

1:40:01don't we do Tuesday, the 13th?

1:40:04>> How about

1:40:05on the evening? Yeah. Oh, Tuesday the

1:40:0613th?

1:40:08>> Mhm.

1:40:08>> Does that agree with everybody?

1:40:10>> As long as it's after 5:00 I can.

1:40:13>> Yeah.

1:40:14>> Yes, and the it's at 6:00, right?

1:40:16>> 6:00.

1:40:17>> Okay.

1:40:18>> Okay, October 13th

1:40:21is the next

1:40:22>> 6:00.

1:40:22>> here, okay?

1:40:27Will we want

1:40:27>> you have our presentations, yeah?

1:40:31>> Paul

1:40:32on the 13th, you will have sent meeting

1:40:35stuff around or you'll present.

1:40:37>> No, I'm going to send it all around

1:40:38prior to that. I I

1:40:39>> And we

1:40:40>> I want to walk in with with

1:40:43I mean, want to go into that meeting

1:40:45and then people can kind of weigh in if

1:40:47it hasn't been done already.

1:40:49Uh but to me the goal of the 13th is for

1:40:51people to walk away with what they know

1:40:54knowing what what they're going to what

1:40:55they're going to do.

1:40:56>> Okay.

1:40:57>> Everybody gets homework, yeah?

1:40:58>> That's what we assign to the two per

1:41:01person, whatever. Okay.

1:41:04Then, the end of the the last Wednesday

1:41:07again or do you want to change that?

1:41:10>> So, October 20th October 28th our

1:41:12regular meeting?

1:41:13>> Okay, hold on a second. I'm just

1:41:15thinking. You said October 13th Tuesday,

1:41:18right?

1:41:18>> Yeah.

1:41:19>> Yes.

1:41:21>> It's not going to be here. They have

1:41:22town meetings. Tuesdays

1:41:24>> I thought we just had a phone We're

1:41:25going to Zoom on the 13th.

1:41:27>> Or do we have to have a public meeting?

1:41:30If it's all of us talking, yes.

1:41:32>> Okay.

1:41:33>> Oh, yes.

1:41:33>> So, I'll be happy to sit in one room

1:41:36down in the down and everybody else

1:41:37calls in? I don't know.

1:41:38>> Okay.

1:41:39As long as I know if they say we can do

1:41:42it downstairs.

1:41:43>> Sure.

1:41:43>> Okay?

1:41:43>> Yeah.

1:41:44>> Okay. I'm just pointing out it suddenly

1:41:46hit me that's

1:41:47>> No, you're right.

1:41:47>> That's when town council meetings are.

1:41:49Okay, that's October 13th. That's fine.

1:41:53>> Then, end of the month, October what?

1:41:56>> 28th.

1:41:57>> 28th.

1:41:58>> Everybody comes with their work, which

1:42:00is a Wednesday.

1:42:01>> All with their work.

1:42:04Okay.

1:42:05And then,

1:42:07the middle of November,

1:42:10what date?

1:42:12For the consultant.

1:42:15>> Uh what's the holiday this year? Is that

1:42:19>> I don't Yeah, bear in mind Thanksgiving

1:42:21and all of that.

1:42:22>> No, but my thought is

1:42:23>> how about the week How about the week of

1:42:25the 9th?

1:42:26>> is the 11th.

1:42:27>> The 11th?

1:42:29How does the 11th suit? A Wednesday

1:42:31again?

1:42:32>> Yeah.

1:42:33>> Wednesday?

1:42:37>> Cuz the holiday I think is late this

1:42:38year.

1:42:40>> Yeah.

1:42:41So, November 11th at 6:00, meet with

1:42:42consultant?

1:42:43>> Yeah.

1:42:45>> Okay. So, the consultant is on

1:42:46Wednesday, the 11th of November.

1:42:49That's what I've got to try and organize

1:42:51right at this point.

1:42:53>> Yep. And my thought is if we're not

1:42:54quite ready, we might be able to bump

1:42:56them to the 18th. And you still got

1:42:58time.

1:42:58>> Or the 18th. 11th Is that

1:43:01>> Yeah. I just

1:43:01>> is that to Thanksgiving?

1:43:03>> It's a week a week ahead.

1:43:04>> It's a week week ahead or the 18th.

1:43:07>> I'm just saying let's put it in for the

1:43:0811th. I was thinking out loud that if

1:43:10>> Okay. Okay. Just

1:43:12>> Well, the The 11th is Veterans Day.

1:43:16>> The 11th is

1:43:20Okay.

1:43:23>> I just I didn't know if anybody was

1:43:25going to be like already doing something

1:43:27that day. I'm not, but I didn't know.

1:43:29>> No, know, good good good

1:43:31good thought.

1:43:33>> Like maybe Fred.

1:43:35>> Fred maybe, yeah.

1:43:41But maybe not at It's hard to say at

1:43:426:00 at night. I'm not sure.

1:43:44>> Yeah.

1:43:46>> Why don't we just put it Let's Let's

1:43:47keep it as a placeholder for now and

1:43:48then

1:43:49>> I think you're right.

1:43:50>> Yeah.

1:43:51>> Sorry, I'm moving.

1:43:51>> And then

1:43:52>> We're seeing on the 11th.

1:43:54>> The 11th.

1:43:54>> 11th.

1:43:55>> 11th. 11th that sticks with the

1:43:56consultant, yep.

1:43:57>> Mhm.

1:43:58>> Okay.

1:43:58>> And then we're going to have our regular

1:43:59meeting the regular meeting will

1:44:01probably conflict with Thanksgiving. So,

1:44:03the 25th.

1:44:06>> So, move that to move our next meeting

1:44:08to the

1:44:10>> 2nd of December?

1:44:11>> December.

1:44:122nd of December.

1:44:14And that that should really be just to

1:44:15put the polishing touches on it. That

1:44:17will

1:44:17>> That's the That's the goal.

1:44:19>> Yes.

1:44:19>> Yeah.

1:44:19>> December 2 final.

1:44:21>> Okay.

1:44:22>> think that's one of those I think part

1:44:23of the process is that we were going to

1:44:25do like a review

1:44:27a draft with somebody from the town

1:44:28council before we presented it to the

1:44:31council.

1:44:31>> Yes. Um

1:44:33we should do that.

1:44:35I don't think that it would be the end

1:44:37if we

1:44:39do the consultant with the council or

1:44:40the town manager etc. But if the final

1:44:43thing is presented officially say in the

1:44:46middle of January.

1:44:47>> No, I don't think if anybody knocks on

1:44:49my door, I'll just send them away.

1:44:51>> Here you go.

1:44:52>> Yeah.

1:44:55>> Okay, I have the three dates. I'll get

1:44:57them organized for the rooms.

1:44:59And

1:45:01um

1:45:02if it's a public meeting, yes, we have

1:45:04to it's got to go back on the Facebook.

1:45:06We have no choice on that.

1:45:07>> No.

1:45:08>> No, but yeah. Good turnout tonight.

1:45:11>> Okay. So far, so good, folks. It's

1:45:13starting to be took longer than I

1:45:15thought tonight, but we made progress.

1:45:18Any other comments before we

1:45:20>> Just just real quick, I did send the

1:45:22Putnam vision statement back out to

1:45:23everybody via email. So, you don't need

1:45:25Ashley to do it. It should be in your

1:45:26email boxes. Please.

1:45:27>> Thank you.

1:45:28>> Thank you.

1:45:29>> You

1:45:31>> No, it's already sent. It's already

1:45:32sent. I I found a digital copy, so I

1:45:34just sent it. If it's not legible, let

1:45:36me know. I'll

1:45:38>> I'll let Ashley to send out a copy.

1:45:40Okay?

1:45:43Copy of public.

1:45:44>> Yep.

1:45:47>> Ashley.

1:45:48Okay.

1:45:50I have them, so

1:45:52that's no problem.

1:45:54Okay.

1:45:55We move ahead.

1:46:02>> You need a motion to

1:46:03>> Yes.

1:46:03>> adjourn or Yeah. I'll make a motion to

1:46:05adjourn.

1:46:07>> I second.

1:46:08>> Okay.

1:46:09You'll get a notes about who made the

1:46:11motion and who seconded it.

1:46:12>> Yeah. I've got all your minutes. I was

1:46:14going to circulate those right after the

1:46:15meeting.

1:46:15>> Thank you. We're all in agreement. It's

1:46:18time for closure today.

1:46:22Let's go.

1:46:22>> Yes, it's done. Let's go.

1:46:23>> Good night.

1:46:24>> Thank you.

1:46:25>> Later.

1:46:26>> Thank you.

1:46:27>> Thank you.

1:46:27>> Thank you.