2026-09-15 - City Council Committees

04:27putting about 13,000 feet of overhead

04:29and underground cable and we have a

04:32significant

04:34million dollars. Now, this is an

04:36obligation the state puts on utilities

04:37to pay for the relocation of

04:39infrastructure associated

04:43with road projects and we get some small

04:46reimbursement for the cost but it's

04:48capped at a level that doesn't fully

04:50recover our cost. That's something that

04:52all utilities are working with the state

04:54on. Uh but that's the state of play

04:56today. That's just where we are.

05:07with road projects and we get some small

05:10reimbursement for the cost but it's

05:11capped at a level that doesn't fully

05:14recover our cost. That's something that

05:16all utilities are working with the state

05:17on. Uh but that's the state of play

05:19today. That's just where we are.

05:22The next item is for battery energy

05:24[clears throat] storage systems totaling

05:26$420,000.

05:28This is with GDS and Associates. As you

05:30know, chairwoman, we have a 115 megawatt

05:35project uh across two separate projects

05:37to put batteries at utility scale into

05:40our system. We'll be locating those at

05:42nine locations in our substations. And

05:45what uh GDS is doing for us is

05:47evaluating all of the potential

05:50locations so that we have the best

05:51possible installation. At the end of the

05:54day, it's going to provide resiliency

05:55for our grid and make sure that we have

05:57continued availability of affordable

05:59power for our customers.

06:01>> That is great.

06:03>> We're very excited.

06:05>> The next item is for gas utility

06:07relocation associated with that Lamar

06:09phase 3 project in the amount of

06:11$716,000.

06:13This is a deposit. Again, the total

06:15amount of the project is about $2.7

06:18million.

06:19Uh when the road is relocated, we'll

06:22have to install about 6,600 ft of gas

06:24mains and about 940 ft of gas service

06:27lines off of those mains in order to

06:30accommodate the change to the road

06:31project.

06:33Requesting same night minutes for that

06:35item as well.

06:37The next item is perpetual license

06:39agreement for engage one vault. This is

06:41a 4-year contract in the amount of

06:43$118,000.

06:46Now what this does is secure the

06:49document archives and viewing that we

06:51have for customer bills for notices and

06:53letters and all regulatory compliance.

06:56This gives us an easier way to access

06:58those so we can pull them back up. Uh

07:00one thing that you'll note when we did

07:02the lie heap applications we had to pull

07:03up 12 months of customers bills. Uh with

07:06this new system we'll be able to do that

07:07much more efficiently. That's one

07:09example of how this can help us.

07:12The next item is for Gartner Advisory

07:14Services in the amount of $233,000.

07:17This extends their contract by one year.

07:19And we're using this Tennessee State

07:20contract because many other people use

07:22Gardner for this. Basically,

07:25uh they provide benchmarking with peers

07:28and technology. They integrate

07:30technology, excuse me, industry

07:32standards to make sure that we are uh

07:34staying up with the latest trends.

07:35Particularly, I highlight the cyber

07:37security that is on everybody's minds

07:39today. So Gardner is an expert here to

07:41make sure that we are doing everything

07:43necessary to protect our system. So it's

07:46an important contract that we have with

07:47them to make sure that we are on par

07:50with the best-in-class and best in

07:53industry recommendations.

07:56The next is for 7500 KVA transformers.

08:00We are purchasing two of these. Now,

08:02these transformers will go into our

08:04substations. We have an planned

08:06expansion of our substations. Uh sub 78,

08:09which is Lamar and Airways, and sub 84,

08:12which is at Millington and the northeast

08:14Shelby County area, excuse me, northwest

08:16Shelby County area. Now, this is part of

08:18our infrastructure improvements to our

08:20substations, part of the R2I. And

08:23obviously, this uh we are buying these

08:25now so that we have them in time. the

08:27delivery time takes a while so that we

08:29have them in place when we're ready to

08:30expand these substations.

08:33The next item is for workers

08:35compensation stop-loss brokering in the

08:37amount of $418,000 with Willis Towers

08:40Watson. Uh in order to stay in

08:42compliance with state mandated

08:43requirements for workers comp stop stop

08:45loss, we have to have a broker and

08:47Willis Towers Watson has been our broker

08:49for this and they do a good job for us

08:51and we'd like to extend that contract.

08:54They also will be the next item, broker

08:56of record for cyber security in the

08:58amount of $252,000.

09:01This takes us through September 30th of

09:022027. And this is uh goes back to what I

09:06was talking about cyber security. This

09:07is insurance for us. Make sure we're

09:09protected in the case of a cyber attack

09:11and recovery. So, we have upgraded the

09:13limits that we have through this new

09:15renewal and kept the renewal fee

09:18essentially flat from last year, but

09:20this is the flat fee. Uh so we've

09:22increased our deductible but increased

09:24the overall uh coverage that we have for

09:26cyber security to recover keeping our

09:29costs flat.

09:31With that concludes the presentation on

09:33consent agenda items subject to your

09:35questions madam chair.

09:37>> Thank you and thank you for that

09:39presentation. Joining us now we have

09:41Councilman

09:44we have

09:47we have Councilwoman Cooper Sutton,

09:49Councilwoman Jerry Green, Councilman

09:52Phillip Spinosa, and Councilman Dr. Jeff

09:56Warren.

10:00Are there any questions

10:04or comments?

10:09Thank you, Chair

10:12President McGawan. Yes, ma'am. These

10:14upgrades or these I'm I was listening in

10:17the back just a little bit,

10:19>> but does any of this affect the grid?

10:23>> Absolutely. Those power transformers

10:24that we're buying, as you know, we have

10:25a three-part approach to improving

10:27electric reliability. The first is doing

10:30preventative maintenance and tree

10:31trimming. The second is renewal and

10:33replacement of infrastructure. And these

10:36transformers are part of that renewal

10:37and replacement of infrastructure.

10:39Transformers have about a 30-year

10:40lifespan.

10:42Um, and as we u bring down the average

10:46age of those transformers to it will

10:47increase the reliability. So these

10:49replace transformers that we have that

10:51are old, we also have a project that

10:53makes sure in our growing areas where we

10:55have growing demand that we can expand

10:57our substations to serve a larger load.

11:00So we can install these transformers

11:02also to serve additional load. Uh we

11:04always try to keep our trans our

11:06substations loaded to less than 70% of

11:08their capacity. So when we see a

11:10substation that's approaching that

11:12limit, we have a 10-year plan to make

11:14sure that we have enough circuit

11:16breakers and transformers in there to

11:17keep that substation at 70% or below.

11:21That gives us lots of flexibility to

11:22move power around the system, but also

11:24gives us the opportunity for new growth.

11:26If a business wants to locate here, then

11:28we know that we'll have capacity to

11:30serve them. So it really does two

11:32things. number one reduce the age and

11:33improve the reliability and two give us

11:35some extra capacity that we need in

11:38order to serve growing areas. Okay. So

11:40that's what I wanted to know because we

11:42know that you know the grid is now

11:46things are growing in our city all

11:47across the globe across the world

11:49>> and I just needed to know was this part

11:52of being proactive

11:54uh making sure that we have the capacity

11:58>> and we do have the also the

11:59sustainability that needs for um the

12:04upcoming future 10 to 15 years. What's

12:06the lifespan on them? Did you say again?

12:08>> They're about 30 years now. We have done

12:10a good job of replacing. We had some of

12:12our transformers and breakers that were

12:14the average age was in the 40 year plus

12:16timeline. We've brought that down now to

12:18about 30 years on average. So, we're

12:21moving in the right direction. We need

12:23to get a little below 30 years. Uh so,

12:25we improve that reliability, but that's

12:26the direction we're going. And to your

12:28point, we have a 10-year plan that's

12:30updated about every other year to make

12:32sure that we're staying in front of any

12:34of the demands that we see. Uh, I'll be

12:36happy to send you the most recent

12:38version of that that shows it's kind of

12:40a a heat diagram that shows the areas

12:42that are kind of heavily loaded right

12:44now and shows once we make these

12:46replacements, everything turns into

12:48essentially the green with the exception

12:49of one area downtown, uh, which is very

12:52constrained. It's up here by substation

12:544. It's just hard to get power there.

12:56Um, and we're working that with in

12:58conjunction with St. Jude to bring

13:00additional power to them. But I'd be

13:01happy to share that with you. We look

13:03way ahead to make sure we always have

13:04capacity to serve.

13:05>> I would love for you to share that and

13:07also share that with the public so they

13:08can understand and you could break it

13:10down. And

13:11>> we wanted to make sure that there is

13:13transparency all around what's happening

13:16in our country and what's happening in

13:17our globe. And especially if it's going

13:19to affect us and our plate wares and

13:21these organizations and companies that

13:24are seeking to come to Memphis, we want

13:26to make sure that we have the capacity

13:28as I stated to for the load that's

13:31coming,

13:31>> right? And um and so when you're

13:34requesting funding for $740,000, right?

13:37740,600.

13:40>> Will this be is this just funding that's

13:43coming because this is infrastructure?

13:45Am I right? You're okay. And so when

13:48you're dealing with infrastructure and

13:50you're trying to make sure that we have

13:51the correct and the amount of capacity

13:54and sustainability, is this money given

13:57back to you when the companies come and

13:59they're uploaded on our grid and on our

14:01system? Would you be refunded this back?

14:04>> If there was a specific company that

14:06came, let's say if it was like I'll use

14:08the data center example. If a data

14:09center came and we needed capacity, they

14:11have to pay for everything upfront for

14:14this kind of a project. This is just for

14:16our day-to-day customers that we have

14:17for residential growth. That's what I

14:19wanted to hear. So, this money is baked

14:20in to the rates that we have today. This

14:23was part of our overall plan to renew

14:25and replace infrastructure for the next

14:2810 years. But if there is a company that

14:30comes according to the rate payer

14:32protection plan that has the obligation

14:33to pay for their infrastructure, then

14:35you bet they pay 100% of that. But this

14:37is just for day-to-day customers and for

14:40other businesses that might choose to

14:41locate here.

14:42>> Thank you.

14:43>> Yes, ma'am. I look forward for you

14:44coming next time. I guess the next

14:46meeting in October, you'll have that

14:47grid.

14:48>> Yeah, we'll show you showing and just

14:49kind of just showing where it is. And

14:50then the one that I think you did

14:52mention the heating is kind of

14:55difficult. You're kind of working on

14:56that.

14:56>> It's a heat map. Yeah, I'll show you

14:57what you're working on that. So, thank

14:59you. Thank you, Chairwoman.

15:02>> You're welcome. Next, we have

15:04Councilwoman Logan.

15:08>> Good morning. Good morning.

15:09>> Thank you. uh on I wasn't here last at

15:12the last meeting but I did hear uh

15:14listen to your presentation. I had a

15:16question about um the discussion around

15:21data centers agreeing to the larger ones

15:25like Colasso and the other ones agreeing

15:26to um it's a capacity it was called

15:29capacity something where they agree to

15:32offer what was the name of that again?

15:33So there is a a CCC which is a capacity

15:36charge that they have to pay to TVA

15:39>> uh in ex if there is a large data center

15:41that's coming TVA has a new obligation

15:44that they pay a capacity charge

15:47>> and that is they have to do several

15:48things number one [snorts]

15:50if they have to build infrastructure

15:51they have to pay for all the

15:52infrastructure

15:53>> right

15:53>> number two they have to agree that

15:55they're paying a higher rate for their

15:57energy and number three they have to pay

15:59the capacity charge and what that is is

16:02if TVA has to produce additional energy.

16:05This payment is an upfront payment to

16:07TVA in the amount of about $1.5 million

16:10per megawatt that pays TVA

16:13uh the money they need to build new

16:15generation.

16:16>> So, uh that is was put into place by the

16:19last TVA board meeting that was held

16:22here in Memphis, Tennessee, and it's

16:24consistent with the rateayer protection

16:26pledge that the the president issued and

16:28everybody all the major utilities have

16:30signed on to.

16:31>> And I did get that. I'm sorry I didn't

16:33ask the right question. I was I'm

16:34getting to to the

16:37>> the part where if they experience or if

16:40we experience peak times of they have to

16:44agree to

16:45>> our interruption program.

16:46>> Yeah. They have to kind of tone down or

16:48whatnot. My question is

16:50>> is there any

16:54possibility that they could choose not

16:58to do that? They could and but there are

17:01consequences for that. Number one, if

17:04they flaunt the action um and don't

17:06curtail, there's a financial penalty.

17:09But two, if they do it again, then they

17:11will just be curtailed.

17:13>> Meaning that we can do that.

17:15>> We hold the keys to the switch that can

17:17turn them off. So, it's in everybody's

17:19best interest because I just want you to

17:21think about it logically. If you don't

17:23curtail, right,

17:24>> and the grid gets pressurized, then

17:26everybody's losing power, including

17:27them. That's what I wanted to make

17:29certain that I know we are expecting

17:31them to be good, you know, neighbors and

17:34partners.

17:34>> They have complied so far and about 15

17:37times they've done that, but we have the

17:40keys and we can turn it off if they do

17:42not comply.

17:42>> Okay. Thank you. That's all I want to

17:44know. You Thank you, chair.

17:50Councilman Smiley, Councilwoman Green,

17:53Councilman Ford.

17:56Good morning.

18:04Okay, if there not any more questions or

18:07comments, um I understand

18:09congratulations are in order for you and

18:11your team. President McGawan, would you

18:13like to share?

18:14>> Uh yes, I would. and and chairwoman, if

18:17I'll just describe it, but what I would

18:19like to do is if we get a picture

18:20afterwards, but um council members, um

18:24Quinton Clark is here, our VP of

18:25electric operations and construction and

18:28engineering. And last, was it Friday,

18:31Quinton? Yesterday, I'm sorry.

18:32Yesterday, he was in Nashville accepting

18:35uh what's from the Tennessee Department

18:36of Environment Conservation, the

18:38Governor's Award for Environmental

18:40Stewardship for Energy and Renewable

18:42Resources. This is for MLGW's effort and

18:46you all were part of approving our LED

18:48street light renewal, the 77,000.

18:51And so, um, the this was one of the

18:54largest transformations in the country.

18:56Um, and the governor recognized that

18:58that we're receiving not only a 55%

19:01annual energy savings, but that's 37

19:0337,000 megawatt hours each year. It

19:06reduces 26,000 metric tons of greenhouse

19:09gases gas emissions annually. And it's

19:13consistent with the Memphis and Shelby

19:14County climate action plan to reduce

19:16those emissions by 51% by 2035. So

19:21obviously, as you know, it improves

19:22visibility, strengthens public safety.

19:24Um, so we were proud to receive this

19:28award in recognition. You know, we just

19:30did it because it was the right thing to

19:31do, but uh the governor's office

19:34recognized us for that. I have the award

19:36here and so if we have a minute, I'd

19:38sure like to have a picture with you all

19:40because we couldn't have done this

19:41without you all approving our

19:43expenditure of that money on those LED

19:46street lights. So, this is a real

19:47partnership and I want to thank you all

19:49for for helping us get this award.

19:54Is that is that fair to take a quick

19:56picture with all

20:00the team?

20:02>> Councilwoman Swear Washington has joined

20:06us.

20:07Good morning.

32:57Councilwoman Green,

32:59>> Councilman Spinosa,

33:02Councilman Ford,

33:04Councilwoman Walker,

33:06>> present.

33:07>> Chair Swear and Washington

33:09>> present. And Councilman Dr. Warren

33:12>> present.

33:14Colleagues, we have one item on the

33:15agenda today. We're going to pull

33:17discussion of public safety about Monroe

33:19Avenue today and have a more general

33:22discussion sometime in October about

33:24things that the department is doing to

33:26uh ensure sort of situational issues. Um

33:30item number one is MTD monthly MPD

33:33monthly update all council districts

33:36requested by C chair Canali. Um

33:39gentlemen you have the floor name and

33:41address for records. Thank you.

33:46Good morning. Assistant Chief Kula of

33:48Memphis Police Department.

33:50>> Hey, good morning everybody. Deputy

33:51Chief Webb Kirkdoffer, 170 North Main.

33:55>> Good morning, everyone. Deputy Chief

33:57Andrew Brown, 170 North Main.

34:04>> You're right here, sir.

34:04>> All right, we'll start off. Good

34:06morning. Um, we'll start off with park

34:08crime overview. Just kind of give this

34:10bar graph that you see up there. If you

34:13total it out for 2024, there was 38,000

34:16plus crimes reported during this period

34:19of time. 2025,

34:22there's 29,664.

34:25As you see, a decrease. And in 2026 so

34:27far, we're at 18,900

34:31plus crimes. So that's a decrease from

34:342025 to 2026 of 10,000 less crimes. So

34:39on average this year we're about 1,200

34:43less crimes per month on average. Uh and

34:46these and these uh crimes that we're

34:49talking about are the part ones is the

34:51murder, aggravated assault, sexual

34:54assaults, robberies, burglaries,

34:57lararseny, and motor vehicle thefts.

35:04Uh here's a two-year comparison of these

35:06uh part one crimes. Every major crime

35:09category is trending downward. We'll

35:12start off with uh murders. We have 52

35:16less murders from last year. That's a

35:1936% decrease.

35:22Good note on that is our our homicide

35:26clearance rate is at 87%

35:29for those homicides, murders. aggravated

35:32assaults, we have 1,192

35:36less from last year. That's a 26 plus%

35:40decrease. And aggravated assaults. For

35:44sexual assaults, we have a decrease of

35:4629.03%.

35:49That's uh negative 137.

35:54Robberies, we have 507

35:57less

35:59robberies. That's a 42 and a half%

36:01decrease in robberies.

36:04Burglaries, we have 837

36:08decrease. That's a 27.12%

36:11decrease in burglaries.

36:15Larssonies, we are closing in on 5,000

36:18less larsenes from le last year. That's

36:21a 37 or correction, 33% decrease.

36:27motor vehicle thefts. We have just over

36:302600

36:32less motor vehicle thefts. That's a

36:35approximately

36:3657% decrease in motor vehicle thefts.

36:41Calls for service.

36:44The calls for service, the year-to- date

36:47data from 2025 to 2026 shows a calls for

36:50service continually declining. So, as

36:54this shows, um, we have approximately a

36:5725% decrease from last year. That's, uh,

37:0291,000 plus less calls for service this

37:06year. That definitely gives us an

37:08opportunity to do more proactive

37:10policing and assisting people.

37:14We'll go over each uh, precinct. Just

37:17give you a couple notes on this. uh

37:19Ridgeway Station, they're down 37%.

37:24I think their most notable thing is

37:26their motor vehicle theft is down 59%.

37:32We have Austin P station, they're down

37:3529.52%.

37:38Big thing with Austin P, their murder

37:41rate is down 60%.

37:45Rain Station down 33.03%.

37:51Their motor vehicle theft is down almost

37:5444%.

37:58Mount Mariah Station

38:00down 42.5%.

38:04They had approximately uh 60% decrease

38:08in motor vehicle theft.

38:11Prom station, they're down 27%.

38:16Their murder rate is down

38:1865 and a half percent.

38:23Tilman Station

38:25down 39.85%.

38:30Big thing for Tilman Station, their

38:32robberies are down 46%.

38:37North Main Station is down 29%.

38:42Their murder rate is down 60%.

38:47Airways Station,

38:49they're down 37.80%.

38:53Their robberies are down 46%.

38:58Appan Farm Station,

39:01they're down 43.80%.

39:04Their big thing, motor vehic motor

39:07vehicle thefts are down 68%.

39:11For Evelyn Farms,

39:17the Memphis safe

39:20operation

39:23uh this is the operational period is

39:25between October 1st, 2025 through

39:28September 8th, 2026.

39:32As you can see, the arrest total 20,000

39:37plus arrest for this period of time.

39:40It's broken down into felonies of 8,22

39:44felony arrest and misdemeanors over

39:4712,000.

39:48Also have the warrants of 5,157

39:53total. It's broken down into felonies of

39:5626

39:57or 2,670.

40:00And then Mr. meaners of 2,487

40:05firearms.

40:07We've recovered 4,793.

40:11That's over 16,000 long guns, rifle type

40:15of weapons, 4,000 plus pistols. And then

40:19you have about 100 plus other items like

40:22switches and conversion kits.

40:28Then you have currency close to $2

40:31million seized at this point.

40:35Traffic stops we have 185,52

40:41that includes

40:43you know in terms of issuing citations,

40:46parking warning and also moving

40:48citations.

40:51vehicles recovered. We recovered 2,672

40:57and together uh these actions have

40:59created a sustained pressure on those

41:00who cause harm, contributing to a safer

41:03and more stable environment across the

41:06city.

41:08Uh continuing with the uh

41:12stat information for the Memphis Safe

41:14Operation, the drug seizures for

41:17marijuana,

41:19we've uh confiscated 3,362.88

41:24pounds, street value approximately 4

41:28million to 6.2 million.

41:31Uh fentanyl confiscated 61.30

41:3630 pounds, a street value of 2.7 to 4.1

41:41million.

41:43Methamphetamine

41:44confiscated 306.65

41:48pounds. That's a 1.7 to 3.6

41:53million. During this operational period,

41:55narcotic seizures have uh remove

41:57dangerous drugs and circulation within

42:00the city of Memphis. seizure narcotics

42:03carrying an estimated street value

42:05varies depending on the drugs the

42:08availability and the quantity that we

42:10have

42:13that concludes this if there's any

42:16questions

42:16>> thank you AC Kula uh colleagues

42:19questions

42:23>> no questions

42:25all right

42:26>> Dr. for

42:28>> I just uh wanted to make sure people

42:30knew that this is work from the police

42:33department has nothing to do with uh

42:36anything else that came in here from out

42:38of town. Is that correct?

42:40>> Well, these are this this information

42:42that I'm going on is our data and our

42:46information that we do. Now, there is

42:48cooperation with other agencies from

42:51local agencies, state agency and

42:53federal, but these are our numbers that

42:55we report. Okay. And I guess the thing

42:57that's been helpful for us is that the

43:00manpower that we've gotten from the

43:02federal government, from the FBI, from

43:04the DEA, from other people that are law

43:06enforcement agencies has helped us with

43:08this. So having more manpower in the

43:11police department as move forward is

43:13going to continue to help us keep and

43:15maintain. This is what the goal should

43:17be. Is that how you guys feel about

43:19that?

43:20>> Absolutely.

43:21>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Madam Chair,

43:26>> good morning. I just wanted to commend

43:28you on your data doing a fantastic job.

43:31I have a suggestion that I think that

43:33the data will go up even higher.

43:36Uh as a principal, I'd walk around and

43:38you know, you have to inspect what you

43:40expect. And some of the children told me

43:42one day said, "Miss Washington, we know

43:45when you're coming." I said, "How is it

43:47that you know when I'm coming?" He said,

43:49"Because I can hear your keys." So when

43:52we hear your keys, a lot of times we

43:54will kind of, you know, go where we need

43:56to go. So my suggestion is it's

44:00wonderful that you show the visibility

44:02of the blue lights, but when people see

44:05the blue lights, they often will stop

44:09doing whatever behavior they're doing.

44:11And once the blue light on the vehicle

44:14is gone, then they continue to do the

44:17same old way. I would like to suggest

44:20that you not have those blue lights on

44:22all the time at night and have some

44:25sneak attack

44:28or however, but you don't want to let

44:30everybody know, you know, we're coming,

44:32the police is coming, the police is

44:33coming, and then after you're gone,

44:35they're gone. They're gone. So,

44:38we wanted to make that suggestion.

44:40>> All right.

44:42>> Think about it.

44:43>> Thank you.

44:44>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Colleagues,

44:46reminder to you to get your camera

44:48locations to DC Brown. Our goal is by

44:52next

44:53>> Monday.

44:54>> Monday. So those of you that have not or

44:57that want to discuss the locations with

44:58him, please do so.

45:01Thank you to MPD.

45:03>> Anything else? We're adjourned.

45:05>> Thank you.

1:01:01Call the Housing and Community

1:01:02Development Committee of the Memphis

1:01:04City Council to

1:01:07order. Miss Brianna, please call the

1:01:08role.

1:01:10>> Yes, ma'am. Councilwoman Walker,

1:01:12>> present.

1:01:13>> Chairwoman Swan Washington,

1:01:15>> present.

1:01:16>> Chair Logan,

1:01:17>> present. Thank you for that. Colleagues,

1:01:19today we have one item on the agenda. It

1:01:21is a resolution to appropriate the sum

1:01:23of $950,000

1:01:25funded by GEO bonds chargeable to the

1:01:28FY2027 capital improvement budget for

1:01:31middle inome housing infrastructure

1:01:34CD01108

1:01:36all council districts sponsored by the

1:01:39administration with a request for same

1:01:41night minutes. May I have a motion and a

1:01:42second?

1:01:43>> Second. It's been moved by Chairwoman

1:01:46Swearing Washington and seconded by

1:01:50Councilwoman Walker.

1:01:53And if you would give us your name and

1:01:55address and you are recognized.

1:01:59>> I want to um before you begin, I want to

1:02:01recognize uh Dr. Councilwoman Dr. Esther

1:02:05Thomas is with us and Councilman Canali

1:02:09and Councilwoman Cooper Sutton. Thank

1:02:12you all for joining us. All right,

1:02:14please give your name and address and

1:02:15you may begin.

1:02:15>> Good morning. Thank you. Amanda Omera,

1:02:17strategic housing manager for HCD, 170

1:02:20North Main, Memphis, Tennessee, 38103.

1:02:27>> Thank you. Do you want to share uh any

1:02:29information on the

1:02:31>> um I just want to thank you all. We're

1:02:33very excited to administer these funds

1:02:34and continue um supporting developers in

1:02:37building middle- inome housing in the

1:02:38core city.

1:02:40>> All right.

1:02:44Okay.

1:02:46Thank you, Councilwoman White for

1:02:48joining us. Let the record reflect her

1:02:50presence. Um, are there any council

1:02:53members in the queue? Anyone have any

1:02:54questions? Uh, Councilwoman Cooper

1:02:57Sutton.

1:02:58>> Oh, I'm sorry, Dr.

1:03:02strong.

1:03:02>> Um, I just wanted to know simply just

1:03:06out of the million, can you just give us

1:03:09a brief just overview of, you know,

1:03:11where the minions going? How much do

1:03:13people get? Um, give us some stuff to be

1:03:15excited about while we're sharing.

1:03:17>> Yeah, so this is um our third year

1:03:19administering the middle- inome housing

1:03:20pilot program. Um, this is the first

1:03:22year that we have received CIP funds,

1:03:24which is a very exciting milestone for,

1:03:26you know, being able to sustain the

1:03:27program. Um the funding will provide

1:03:31grants to developers creating missing

1:03:34middle housing types. So gentle density

1:03:372 to 10 unit housing structures as well

1:03:39as cottage courts um for middle inome

1:03:41households. So those are households that

1:03:43earn between 80 and 120% of the area

1:03:45median income. So um households that

1:03:48typically don't qualify for government

1:03:49assistance, but that doesn't mean they

1:03:51can afford full market rate housing. Um

1:03:54and because this is CIP, it will go

1:03:56toward infrastructure in the projects.

1:03:59So, um sidewalks, streets, utility

1:04:01extensions, um one of the main things

1:04:04that creates a development gap that

1:04:05makes these projects difficult to fund.

1:04:09And um in the previous So, we expect

1:04:12that a million dollars will get us

1:04:14around 50 units.

1:04:16>> Have you already pre-selected your 50

1:04:18recipients? Um, we opened the

1:04:20application last week and it will be

1:04:22open until October 26.

1:04:25>> Are you able to send that to us so we

1:04:27can get that out to our folks, too?

1:04:30>> Yeah, we can send a link to the um

1:04:32application and the website that has all

1:04:33the information.

1:04:34>> Thank you.

1:04:38>> With that being said, thank you for

1:04:40bringing that up. Um,

1:04:42Dr. Thomas.

1:04:44>> Okay.

1:04:45>> I had a question.

1:04:47Are you because the the gap is so real

1:04:50and housing is such a top priority. are

1:04:54you all meeting and you you may want to

1:04:56be a part of this conversation if you

1:04:58don't mind um with MLG&W engineering uh

1:05:03DPD everybody that's involved looking at

1:05:07the um the fees looking at uh how we

1:05:12structure the you know the request for

1:05:16um

1:05:18application fees to the pre-development

1:05:21fees that they um use have you all met.

1:05:24I know when um when um Chief Zeno was

1:05:27here, he said that they were starting

1:05:30that conversation looking at that um

1:05:33from from um I think there was something

1:05:35that had just come across where they

1:05:37approved where you could upload

1:05:40preapproved architectural designs and

1:05:43things like that. just looking for ways

1:05:44to streamline that pre-development cost

1:05:47um for emerging developers, for seasoned

1:05:51developers to make certain that we are

1:05:53open for business then building and and

1:05:56um want to get these houses out. So, are

1:05:58you all meeting as a collective working

1:06:00on that or [clears throat] where are we

1:06:03as it relates to that between both of

1:06:05you? Yeah. So, um, we've had a handful

1:06:08of meetings with developers like at the

1:06:10request as part of, you know, the era of

1:06:11Yes. and trying to coordinate between

1:06:13the different divisions as well as MLGW.

1:06:15Um, we're also currently in the process

1:06:17of coordinating a meeting with MLGW, um,

1:06:21public works, engineering, HCD, and the

1:06:26innovation team. Yeah, DPD and the

1:06:28innovation team under directors. um to

1:06:31continue coordinating that effort and

1:06:33discuss the available incentives and if

1:06:35there's any more, you know, like red

1:06:36tape that we can get through to continue

1:06:38supporting developers.

1:06:41>> Um what's the time? Can you come back

1:06:43with uh the next meeting with some more

1:06:46information about that and if you or if

1:06:47you have any uh input?

1:06:49>> No, I was just going to weigh in the

1:06:51transition from um Zena to interim

1:06:54director Greg Dodson. So he's he's on

1:06:56point and actually we were having

1:06:58conversations about this just yesterday

1:07:00and how do we look at the processes in

1:07:02the end and get things unstuck and align

1:07:05those up. So I know he's taking lead. We

1:07:07can get you to follow up.

1:07:09>> Sounds great. I'd really love to hear

1:07:11that. Um I've been talking to them

1:07:12individually and they were going to get

1:07:14together, but I wanted to make certain

1:07:16that that's what we're doing and that we

1:07:18put target dates and you know we stay on

1:07:21point with that. Sometimes a lot of

1:07:23things happen and we kind of venture

1:07:25off, but if we could stay focused on

1:07:27that and come back with a report on

1:07:29that, that'd be greatly appreciated.

1:07:32All right,

1:07:34I want to um Okay, recognize Let the

1:07:36record reflect that Dr. Warren is is

1:07:40here with us today. Councilwoman Cooper

1:07:42Sudden, you're recognized.

1:07:43>> Yes. Thank you, Chairwoman. How are your

1:07:45developers chosen? Because you said

1:07:47you'd had meetings with several

1:07:48developers. So how do you pick the

1:07:50developers and where is there something

1:07:52open where other young developers can

1:07:54have an opportunity?

1:07:56>> Um yes so that answer was separate from

1:08:00the administration of the program. So

1:08:02the developers apply you know there's an

1:08:04application portal that has several

1:08:06criteria like capacity experience having

1:08:09their other funding for the project they

1:08:11need to have site control etc. We are

1:08:13very open to emerging and small-cale

1:08:16developers. That is part of the purpose

1:08:18of the program. Um so even if a

1:08:20developer does not have a lot of direct

1:08:24experience, if they are working with a

1:08:27team of people who have that experience,

1:08:28we're flexible with that. Um so the

1:08:31applications are reviewed internally for

1:08:33completeness and then we have a review

1:08:35committee of industry experts that

1:08:38reviews and scores the full application

1:08:40um to award the developers. So

1:08:44how do developers get this opportunity

1:08:47to apply to be part of this? Um yes.

1:08:52>> Yeah. Um so we push we had a workshop

1:08:56last week at the Benjamin Hooks Library

1:08:58um where we presented on you know all of

1:09:01the criteria for the program all the

1:09:02information um and then the link to the

1:09:05application opened right after that

1:09:07workshop ended. Um, I am also available,

1:09:10you know, anytime developers email me,

1:09:12set up meetings with me and I kind of

1:09:14talk through them like what they need to

1:09:16have and provide any like technical

1:09:18assistance that I can. Um, and then

1:09:20also, you know, as far as that workshop,

1:09:23we did push it out to HCD's entire um,

1:09:27like Mailchimp, which is a few hundred

1:09:30or maybe a few thousand people. Um, so I

1:09:33do think that it travels through word of

1:09:35mouth, the emails, um, and social media.

1:09:39>> Okay. If you can send that because the

1:09:41application, that application process

1:09:43still open for developers.

1:09:45>> Yeah, it opened last week on the 10th

1:09:46and it'll be open until October 26th.

1:09:48>> So, I need that sent as well as what Dr.

1:09:51Michael Eastern Thomas asked for as

1:09:53well. And could we have that before the

1:09:55end of day?

1:09:56>> Yes.

1:09:56>> Could you make sure that we get that?

1:09:58And this million dollars is going to be

1:10:01allocated just specifically for that.

1:10:04How many houses? How many? What? What?

1:10:06What speed? Because you said sidewalks

1:10:08and streets.

1:10:10>> Correct. So the developer is responsible

1:10:12for a lot of infrastructure when they

1:10:14build new housing. Um and so this

1:10:16funding specifically will be granted to

1:10:18reimburse them for the cost of that

1:10:20infrastructure that they typically hold

1:10:22the burden for. Um, and based on

1:10:24previous rounds of funding, we estimate

1:10:26that we'll fund approximately 50 units

1:10:29of housing.

1:10:29>> 50 units of housing.

1:10:31>> Yeah.

1:10:32>> So, let me ask you this. Do you all have

1:10:33an EPA, I mean um a ETA? Because cost

1:10:38goes up and where we are now in econ in

1:10:40our economic um impacts that's happening

1:10:43and with material and different things.

1:10:45Is there a cost fee if these projects

1:10:47are not finished at the time that you

1:10:49all say they will be finished?

1:10:57I'm not sure I fully understand that

1:10:58question. Can you repeat that?

1:10:59>> Let's say that I'm a developer and I'm

1:11:00about to build a house and I don't

1:11:02finish it at the time that I said that I

1:11:06would finish it. Is there any penalties

1:11:08or any recourse that happens or what

1:11:10happens down the line when that happens?

1:11:13>> Yeah. So I think you know we expect the

1:11:17developer to submit a realistic timeline

1:11:20based on experience and indust like you

1:11:22know market research of how long it will

1:11:24take. Um we have not had issues so far

1:11:28where projects have been significantly

1:11:30stalled. There might be very small

1:11:32delays by a couple months. Um but most

1:11:36of these projects come full circle

1:11:38within 12 to 18 months from start to

1:11:40finish.

1:11:40>> [clears throat]

1:11:40>> So, let me tell you why I asked that.

1:11:42Because this is specific dollars that

1:11:44you're asking for. And so, you want to

1:11:46use those specific dollars for that and

1:11:49not anything extra because I don't know

1:11:51if you ever have to come back or ask for

1:11:53more money or whatever, but I know these

1:11:55dollars are designated and allocated

1:11:57just for this program. Right.

1:11:59>> Correct.

1:11:59>> Okay. All right. Um, just make sure we

1:12:03get those sites. I would appreciate

1:12:05that. And thank you so much for your

1:12:06presentation. Thank you, Chair W.

1:12:10All right. Thank you, Councilwoman.

1:12:12Anyone else have any questions or

1:12:14comments? Any other further business

1:12:16before

1:12:18All right. So, we will now take a voice

1:12:21vote. All those in favor say I.

1:12:26>> Any opposed say nay. In the opinion of

1:12:29the chair that the eyes have it and this

1:12:32item will be sent down with a favorable

1:12:33recommendation with the request for same

1:12:36night minutes. And if there is nothing

1:12:38else for this committee, we are

1:22:37Councilwoman Walker

1:22:38>> present.

1:22:38>> Councilwoman Swing Washington

1:22:40>> present.

1:22:41>> Councilwoman Cooper Sutton

1:22:42>> present.

1:22:43>> Councilman Warren

1:22:44>> present.

1:22:44>> Councilwoman White

1:22:45>> present.

1:22:47>> Chair Smiley.

1:22:48>> All right. We have two items on the

1:22:49agenda. Shouldn't be loan. Um item

1:22:52number one, a resolution to transfer and

1:22:54appropriate $800,000 from Winchester

1:22:56Perkins project number PW1025. Tonight I

1:22:59don't know John CK bridge project on

1:23:01PW02039

1:23:02to fund construction of the night on

1:23:04bridge repair project uh bridge repair

1:23:07over John's Creek District 4 will be

1:23:09destroyed sponsored by administration as

1:23:10a request for same night minutes. Uh

1:23:13second

1:23:14>> moved by Warren seconded by councilwoman

1:23:17Washington. Somebody gonna come talk to

1:23:19me.

1:23:23>> Good morning.

1:23:25All right. Good morning. Greg Dodson,

1:23:28director of engineering, city.

1:23:29>> How does it sound?

1:23:30>> It sounds pretty [laughter] It sounds

1:23:34sounds pretty good. Um,

1:23:37uh, 125 North Main. Uh, just a little

1:23:39bit of background. Uh, we got a slide, I

1:23:42think. Uh, that's, uh, up here.

1:23:45>> You can just talk through it.

1:23:46>> I can just talk through. Yeah, talk

1:23:47through it.

1:23:47>> Yeah, not a problem.

1:23:48>> Gravity is a good word.

1:23:49>> Yeah. Uh back in March 2025, uh T dot

1:23:53did an evaluation of this bridge and

1:23:55determined that it was in need of

1:23:56emergency repair. So that April, we

1:24:00closed, uh the bridge for the most part.

1:24:03Uh T DOT instructed us to uh allow for

1:24:07one lane in each direction in terms of

1:24:09vehicular traffic. Uh and so the project

1:24:13went out to bid. Bids came in a little

1:24:16over 1.5 million. Uh so we were short

1:24:18about 800k and so this request is to

1:24:21move those funds from the Perkins

1:24:23Winchester project to this project to

1:24:26cover the lowest bid.

1:24:32>> So are we sure that 800,000 is going to

1:24:34be enough to address the issues?

1:24:36>> Yeah, it should be the the hope is is

1:24:38that it's enough. Yes, we should have a

1:24:39little bit of contingency there. So we

1:24:41should be

1:24:41>> So we're not going to hear you come back

1:24:42and say see what it happened was.

1:24:45I'm hoping I'm hoping that that's the

1:24:48case. I mean that if we mess around and

1:24:51find a dump truck underneath the bridge,

1:24:54you know, who knows what'll happen. But

1:24:56hopefully that we feel like we feel like

1:24:58we're pretty good.

1:24:59>> This is already accounted for in the

1:25:00budget. This is not a transfer from one

1:25:02item to another that this repair

1:25:04project.

1:25:05>> Well, this is we're moving the funds

1:25:07>> from where?

1:25:08>> From Perkins Winchester to

1:25:10>> to this project. Okay. to the night on.

1:25:15>> Yes.

1:25:15>> Okay. Any anybody else in the queue?

1:25:18>> Councilwoman Coopers.

1:25:20>> Councilwoman Cooper, you good? You

1:25:29>> sorry

1:25:30>> to make sure. Yeah, it's working now. I

1:25:32didn't have it on. I want to make sure.

1:25:34I mean, is the risk management is the

1:25:37funding because you're saying you hoping

1:25:39that this 800 um is enough. And so, you

1:25:44know, that's the problem we've always

1:25:46run into here at the council. You know,

1:25:49making sure that it's enough and you

1:25:50don't have to come back um to ask for

1:25:53more. And so, [clears throat] was there

1:25:54a project manager on this to look at

1:25:56this and to make sure? Yes, staff has

1:25:59has informed me that this $800,000

1:26:02should should be enough to cover this.

1:26:04>> And we're just transferring it from one

1:26:06project. So the Winchester/Perkins

1:26:09project PW1025,

1:26:12>> that project is complete or what's going

1:26:14on with that project? So why are we

1:26:16taking funding from an incomplete

1:26:18project?

1:26:19>> So that project we have it's in the

1:26:22rightway phase. So, in other words, in

1:26:25terms of construction, we've got at

1:26:27least three years before that project

1:26:30starts construction. Uh, so we have

1:26:34plenty of time to

1:26:37to account for those funds and hopefully

1:26:40have funds available when the time comes

1:26:42for that to actually be built.

1:26:44>> So, this this is a rightaway project.

1:26:46I'll make sure that I clearly

1:26:47understand. And it is not ready to

1:26:51>> Yeah, we are we are away. you're not

1:26:52you're not ready to move forward with

1:26:54this project.

1:26:54>> We've got at least two years more than

1:26:56likely in terms of rightaway

1:26:58acquisition. So that's just the rightway

1:27:01phase and then we go into the

1:27:03construction document phase and that's

1:27:05going to take you.

1:27:06>> So do you have a cost already for this

1:27:08one? Because you're removing the money

1:27:10and so it was what it was 800,000 that

1:27:13was for this project, right?

1:27:14>> 800,000. So, we're going to have to put

1:27:16the 800,000 back hopefully when the two

1:27:18years are up and you're ready to proceed

1:27:21>> with the project in construction.

1:27:22>> That is correct.

1:27:24>> Okay.

1:27:27>> All righty. Thank you. Thank you,

1:27:29chairman.

1:27:30>> All right. It appears that all hearts

1:27:32and minds are clear. All those in favor

1:27:34signify by saying I.

1:27:35>> I.

1:27:36>> Any oppose?

1:27:38Is it opinion chair that Jeff Warren so

1:27:41I uh carries today? Item pass. You

1:27:45should appreciate Jeff.

1:27:48>> Thank you. Thank you.

1:27:52[laughter]

1:27:53>> All right. Item number two, Memphis

1:27:55Storm Water Quality and Quantity MSQ2

1:27:58program update all council districts. Uh

1:28:01requested by Councilwoman Cooper Sutton.

1:28:03I see uh All World is here. Uh

1:28:08all right, the floor is yours.

1:28:10>> Okay. As you may know, All World Project

1:28:12Management, they're the program manager

1:28:14for the storm water program. Uh so

1:28:16they're going to be providing the update

1:28:18uh this morning. So I'll turn it over to

1:28:20Dwan Gillum. You can take it from there.

1:28:22>> Thank you, director.

1:28:26Okay. Before I get started uh this

1:28:28morning, I am Dwan Gillum. um one of the

1:28:31vice presidents of all world project

1:28:33management is firm uh that the city is

1:28:36entrusted uh to mitigate flooding in

1:28:38communities across the uh city of

1:28:40Memphis. Uh but before I get started,

1:28:42let me thank uh Councilwoman Cooper

1:28:45Sutton uh for making this request and

1:28:48obviously to the chairman for honoring

1:28:51the crest the request. Uh with that

1:28:54being said, uh the purpose of the

1:28:56presentation today is to give you guys a

1:29:00very transparent uh view of the MSQ2

1:29:04program and to reassure you uh that the

1:29:07MSQ2 program is doing everything that we

1:29:10can both urgent as well as responsible

1:29:13uh to as mitigate as much flooding

1:29:15across the city with the funding that

1:29:17has been appropriated. Also, we want to

1:29:20reassure you that um at the end of the

1:29:23day uh that we understand that there are

1:29:25funding constraints and that we are

1:29:28doing everything we can to uh select

1:29:32projects that will give us the greatest

1:29:35uh value for the investment. So, with

1:29:37that being said, uh let's uh move to the

1:29:40next slide. Uh the agenda will kind of

1:29:43give us a uh outline of where we're

1:29:45going to go with this presentation uh

1:29:48today. I think it's important uh for us

1:29:50to clearly understand how projects are

1:29:53selected. After that, I think it's

1:29:55important for us to know uh some of the

1:29:58factors that go into the construction,

1:30:01excuse me, the project schedule. Uh

1:30:03obviously, there are some things that we

1:30:04do control and there's also some things

1:30:06that we do not have very uh much control

1:30:10over at the end of the day. uh we're

1:30:12going to get into funding basically

1:30:14identifying many of the funding sources

1:30:17uh that go to pay for uh various aspect

1:30:20of the MSQ2 program and then we get into

1:30:23the projects and give uh each of you a

1:30:26status of every project that has been

1:30:29approved. Uh we're going to break that

1:30:31down by uh the various uh city council

1:30:34districts. Uh so uh next slide please.

1:30:37Okay, the first thing we're going to

1:30:39talk a little bit about is how do we go

1:30:42about selecting projects to advance them

1:30:44to uh design. One of the first things

1:30:46that I wanted to uh acknowledge is that

1:30:49to date uh we have looked at more than

1:30:53450 potential projects keeping in mind

1:30:56we do have funding constraints. Um many

1:30:59of those um potential projects came to

1:31:02us by way of citizens complaints and we

1:31:05do utilize data from various uh basin

1:31:08studies uh that the city has

1:31:09commissioned uh over the years and is

1:31:12still in the process of commissioning uh

1:31:14as we speak.

1:31:17[clears throat] Excuse me. Um

1:31:20I I think this particular slide lets you

1:31:22know that uh all of the decisions uh

1:31:26relative to advancing a project from

1:31:28project identification to selection uh

1:31:31into design is based on uh data. uh we

1:31:35have a very comprehensive

1:31:37uh but consistent uh process that I talk

1:31:40a little bit about called the RIP which

1:31:42is the risk integrated project

1:31:45prioritization uh process or method. Uh

1:31:49[clears throat] so with that being said

1:31:52um next slide please.

1:31:55Uh the whole RIP process allows us to uh

1:31:59select projects that will give us the uh

1:32:02greatest reward for every dollar that's

1:32:04invested. Uh here if the risk is

1:32:07extremely high and we look at the end

1:32:09result, if it reduces uh that risk, then

1:32:14obviously those are the projects that we

1:32:16feel uh give us the uh greatest bang for

1:32:19our buck. Um, one of the things that I

1:32:22will say about this entire process is

1:32:24that every potential drainage project is

1:32:27given the same amount of consideration.

1:32:30Uh, I like to say it doesn't matter if

1:32:32the uh potential drainage project is in

1:32:35J Shady Grove or Ridge Grove. Every

1:32:37project is given the same amount of

1:32:40consideration. So through this RIP

1:32:42process, we're able to do that. It is a

1:32:44very transparent, very fair, very

1:32:47equitable uh process that every project

1:32:50must go through because we don't have a

1:32:53blank check and uh again we want to make

1:32:55sure that every project that we select

1:32:57give us the greatest value for the

1:33:00investment. Next slide please.

1:33:03Okay, here we're going to dive into

1:33:07[clears throat] uh what all goes into

1:33:09moving a project uh from project

1:33:11identification and project selection all

1:33:14the way through uh construction. You

1:33:17will see a note here that says it

1:33:19usually takes somewhere between two and

1:33:22four years to move a project through the

1:33:24various phases to get it to uh

1:33:26construction. And the construction phase

1:33:28varies uh varies based on uh the size of

1:33:31the project. So two of the things we'll

1:33:34look at here uh is the real estate

1:33:37acquisition which we'll talk a little

1:33:38bit about next. Um [clears throat]

1:33:41uh we're looking at somewhere between

1:33:43six uh and 18 months uh for real estate

1:33:47acquisition. Not all projects require uh

1:33:49some form of uh real estate acquisition,

1:33:52but most do. Uh we look up and we see

1:33:55that engineering uh design takes uh

1:33:58anywhere between 12 uh and 18 months. uh

1:34:02there's a little wiggle room on that uh

1:34:04because uh what we want to do is make

1:34:07sure uh that we design something that

1:34:10will work uh at the end of the day. Uh

1:34:13next slide.

1:34:15So we talked a little bit about uh some

1:34:18of the things that we can control and

1:34:20can't control. I'm going to uh go back

1:34:22um uh digress a little bit and talk a

1:34:24little bit more uh about real estate.

1:34:27Um, real estate is definitely one of

1:34:30those things that we have a little

1:34:32control over. Uh, oftent times, uh, it

1:34:35ends up in condemnation. Uh, but not

1:34:38always. Uh, it's just a tedious process.

1:34:41Uh, we do have a full-time real estate

1:34:43agent that works well with city real

1:34:45estate office uh, to try to uh, expedite

1:34:50uh, a lot of these projects through the

1:34:52real estate acquisition uh, process. But

1:34:55still sometimes we get caught up u and u

1:34:59some property owners not wanting to give

1:35:02us easements or writeways or sell their

1:35:04property uh if we actually uh need to

1:35:07secure uh the property. Uh two of the

1:35:10things that we're working with right now

1:35:13uh that are required even before a

1:35:16project uh goes to design even though

1:35:18it's been selected is that we want to

1:35:21make sure that we have reconciled all of

1:35:23the real estate issues uh even before

1:35:25project goes to the design. Uh we've

1:35:28also learned that it is prudent uh upon

1:35:30the MSQ2 program to do an environmental

1:35:34assessment uh on all permanent real

1:35:37estate acquisitions because what we

1:35:38don't want to do is end up uh securing

1:35:41something that has uh some environmental

1:35:44issues and then we're pretty much stuck

1:35:45with it. So uh with that being said,

1:35:48let's go ahead and transition to the

1:35:49next slide. Okay, we've talked a little

1:35:52bit about the process. So with this

1:35:54particular slide, uh we're going to kind

1:35:56of look at uh the funding sources uh

1:35:59that range from cash on hand to uh storm

1:36:02water revenue bonds to uh with the loan,

1:36:06which is the uh water [clears throat]

1:36:09um infrastructure financing and

1:36:12innovation act. Uh you probably have uh

1:36:15seen that uh through some of the uh

1:36:16sewer projects that have come through

1:36:18here that were paid for with uh with the

1:36:20loans in the past. Uh to date, uh the

1:36:23city of Memphis has invested uh just

1:36:26over $35 million in a lot of the

1:36:30activities that need to uh take place

1:36:33even before we get to construction. Uh

1:36:36many of those things um involved uh

1:36:39engineering survey um [clears throat]

1:36:43um

1:36:46asset management um um studies um and al

1:36:51like so $35 million has been invested to

1:36:54date. Uh we have uh approximately 59 uh

1:36:59projects that uh have been approved and

1:37:02uh the value of those construction uh

1:37:04the value of construction for those 59

1:37:07uh projects is just over $19 million

1:37:11which we'll talk a little bit about uh

1:37:13in just a second. So next slide please.

1:37:18Okay, here we see the 59 projects that I

1:37:21just referenced. uh these are the

1:37:24projects that have been approved out of

1:37:25the 450

1:37:28uh 450 plus projects that we have

1:37:31considered but through the real process

1:37:34uh we've narrowed it down to these

1:37:36particular uh 59 projects one of the

1:37:38things that I neglected to uh state a

1:37:41little bit earlier when we were talking

1:37:42about the uh RIP score uh it is a guide

1:37:45but at the end of the day uh the two

1:37:48directors the city engineers sitting

1:37:50next to me as well as the uh public

1:37:52works director after they have the final

1:37:54say so uh on any project that advances

1:37:57to uh design.

1:38:00So uh of the 59 projects uh valued at

1:38:04$19 million for construction uh 21 of

1:38:08those projects have been construction

1:38:11excuse me constructed or or in

1:38:13construction as we speak. We have seven

1:38:16uh projects that are pending uh

1:38:19procurement uh that u uh should be going

1:38:22to construction uh real soon. So um

1:38:26that's uh the number of projects as well

1:38:28as the uh construction costs related to

1:38:30those projects. Next slide.

1:38:34Here is pretty much a uh breakdown of

1:38:36the 59 projects that have been approved

1:38:39uh to date. Uh as you can see, five of

1:38:42those projects are still in the uh

1:38:45planning uh uh stage even though they

1:38:48have been approved. But the biggest

1:38:49thing here is a total of 28 which I just

1:38:53spoke to uh have been constructed

1:38:57or is under construction as we speak or

1:39:00advancing uh to uh construction. Uh that

1:39:04along with another 12 projects that we

1:39:07have uh 100% uh design which gives us um

1:39:1240 projects which is 68% of the projects

1:39:15that have been approved for uh design.

1:39:19[clears throat] Uh has um basically

1:39:22worked its way through the entire uh

1:39:25cycle uh from uh selection all the way

1:39:28through design. and we'll be getting

1:39:30those projects ready for uh procurement

1:39:33here shortly. Next slide.

1:39:36Okay. Uh now we're going to take a dive

1:39:39into those 59 projects by giving them a

1:39:42name uh giving them a construction value

1:39:47uh as well as uh giving them a location

1:39:51including the various uh council uh

1:39:54districts. Um, my eyes are playing

1:39:57tricks on me a little bit. Uh, but I

1:40:00think I can make heads or tail. Um, when

1:40:02you get to be 63 years old, your eyes

1:40:05kind of start messing with you a little

1:40:07bit. But anyway, uh, I believe there's

1:40:09um, uh, 11 projects that have already

1:40:13uh, been uh, constructed.

1:40:16Oh, okay.

1:40:18Okay. We have 10 projects that are

1:40:20currently under construction today with

1:40:22a value of 20.5 million. And then we

1:40:26have seven projects that are pending uh

1:40:28procurement and those projects will be

1:40:30going to uh construction uh in the near

1:40:34uh future. Uh so if we look a little bit

1:40:37closer, we can see uh where those

1:40:40projects are in terms of the various

1:40:43city council uh districts. But we're

1:40:45going to get a little bit uh dive a

1:40:47little bit deeper into u that

1:40:50information in just a little bit. So,

1:40:53next uh next slide. Okay. Here is a uh

1:40:57map of the city of Memphis uh which

1:41:00basically plots each of those 59

1:41:02projects on this particular map. And the

1:41:05map is divided up between city council

1:41:08districts. Uh one of the things that you

1:41:10may notice about uh this particular uh

1:41:13map, most of the uh projects are in the

1:41:16western portion of the city. Keeping in

1:41:19mind we do have a a very equitable uh

1:41:22process. But what I will say about this

1:41:24is uh the western part portion of the

1:41:27city is the oldest portion uh of the

1:41:30city including uh the infrastructure.

1:41:33And I will also say when uh you look at

1:41:36uh uh the part of the city that have

1:41:39lowline areas that are more prone to

1:41:41flooding uh will give you some

1:41:43indication as to why uh the majority of

1:41:46the projects are located in the western

1:41:49uh portion of the city. Next slide.

1:41:54Okay, this is a clear breakdown uh based

1:41:57on each of the council districts that

1:41:59will let you know uh what's going on

1:42:01with projects uh in your particular

1:42:04district. Uh I would start with uh

1:42:06district one just as an example. We have

1:42:09one project that's in scoping. We have

1:42:11three projects that are in design. Uh we

1:42:14have one project that's pending

1:42:16procurement and we have one project uh

1:42:19where the construction uh has been

1:42:22completed. If you drop down to let's say

1:42:25district six uh one project uh that is

1:42:28in scoping and planning uh five that are

1:42:31in design uh one pending procurement

1:42:35four under construction and two that

1:42:39have been constructed. Uh keeping in

1:42:41mind once again uh the western portion

1:42:44of the city uh is the portion of the

1:42:46city that gives us

1:42:49uh more flooding and drainage issues.

1:42:53Next slide, please. Okay. Uh we're about

1:42:57to wrap this up. Uh some of the

1:42:59takeaways. Um, at the end of the day, we

1:43:01know uh that uh the MSQ2 program is

1:43:05active um and uh doing what we have been

1:43:09charged to do for the city on behalf of

1:43:11the city of Memphis uh which includes 21

1:43:14projects constructed or under

1:43:16constructed

1:43:17um 31 projects uh in the pipeline and we

1:43:21have seven projects that are ready to go

1:43:23and we've already talked about in terms

1:43:26of construction costs uh we're looking

1:43:28at uh just over $109 million. Uh, one of

1:43:32the things that I do want to say about

1:43:34that $109 million, uh, when you look at

1:43:37the nature of flooding across the city

1:43:40of Memphis, uh, that is really, uh,

1:43:42drop, uh, in the bucket. Uh, but we know

1:43:45that's the amount of money that we have

1:43:46to work with and again, we try to select

1:43:50projects uh, that will give us the

1:43:52greatest return on our investment. So,

1:43:55with that being said, my staff and I, as

1:43:57well as the directors, uh, we're

1:43:59prepared, uh, to respond to any and all

1:44:01questions. Thank you.

1:44:10>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, on the funding

1:44:13sources that we're doing, uh, are these

1:44:16coming any of these coming from ARPA

1:44:18funds that we had before? Are we using

1:44:20this for projects or is this within our

1:44:23basic domain that we're using for sewer

1:44:25projects out of our sewer fund?

1:44:28>> Okay, it would be Go ahead. Director

1:44:34>> Scott Morgan, public works director 125

1:44:36North Maine. So these are all storm

1:44:38water fee funded. So it's drainage.

1:44:40There's no ARPA money related to these

1:44:42projects.

1:44:43>> Okay. And so they're coming out of our

1:44:44storm water fund and um that's the one

1:44:48fund that we've been able to use to

1:44:50leverage the fund that was running out.

1:44:52Is that correct?

1:44:53>> That's correct.

1:44:54>> Okay. And with that, we're still fine

1:44:57with this as far as our bonds are

1:44:58concerned on that storm water.

1:45:00>> Yes, sir.

1:45:01>> And when do you expect that we're going

1:45:02to have both of those funds back up to

1:45:06uh their previous uh level before we had

1:45:09the emergencies? Any ideas? this this

1:45:11year and next year you're after based on

1:45:14current projections.

1:45:16>> I don't have that right now, but I can

1:45:18certainly get with Chief Davis and get

1:45:20you an answer.

1:45:21>> Give get give us an idea on that so we

1:45:23can look. I I think that's helpful. And

1:45:25thank you for this. It seems to me like

1:45:27based on what the report said, we still

1:45:30got a bunch of other places that need

1:45:32something that we can't get to. Is that

1:45:33correct?

1:45:36>> Uh yes, sir. As I've indicated, $109

1:45:39million, in my opinion, is really a drop

1:45:41in the bucket when any of those 450 plus

1:45:44projects that we've looked at could have

1:45:46very well have made the list as well.

1:45:50Okay. So, as we move forward, if we were

1:45:53going to complete those projects and get

1:45:56all the all the flooding taken care of,

1:45:58what would that cost us in today's

1:46:00dollars uh guesstimate? I know you

1:46:03haven't done these numbers, but I mean,

1:46:05and I'm gonna give you a $500 million

1:46:07leeway, one side, the other. Okay.

1:46:09[clears throat]

1:46:10>> Uh, Councilman Warren, if I just had to

1:46:12put uh back of the napkin um uh figure

1:46:17on it, I would say somewhere in between

1:46:20uh 400 to$500 million at the end of the

1:46:23day

1:46:23>> to get the other projects done.

1:46:25>> Yes, sir.

1:46:26>> Okay. All right. As we move forward,

1:46:28colleagues, you know, this is one of the

1:46:31things we have to do to get people

1:46:33coming back to Memphis. They got to know

1:46:34that we've got an infrastructure that's

1:46:36going to protect their investments and

1:46:38their houses and their businesses as

1:46:40they move in. So, in the back of our

1:46:42heads, we got to figure out how we're

1:46:43going to pay for this. Thank you very

1:46:44much.

1:46:46>> Thank you, sir.

1:46:48>> Do you want to close us out or you want

1:46:50to Okay. Well, Councilwoman Logan,

1:46:54>> are you okay?

1:46:56>> All right.

1:46:57Good afternoon. Thank you for the

1:46:58update. Um I had a question. Some of the

1:47:01challenges that we're having um

1:47:04maybe due and you let me know I'm

1:47:06asking. I posed this question. Is do you

1:47:09see some of the challenges that we're

1:47:10having due to some things being under

1:47:13the purview of the homeowner in terms of

1:47:16the drainage? I think we talked about it

1:47:18the last week. Um, some I know in my

1:47:23district there's a lot of flooding in

1:47:24some areas, but I've recently found out

1:47:27or that is the responsibility of the

1:47:31homeowner, but I'm sure the homeowner

1:47:33does not know that, you know, long time

1:47:36ago when we had ditches and those drain

1:47:38things and all of that. Um, is their

1:47:41responsibility.

1:47:43How is that impacting what you're

1:47:46finding? Some of those points that you

1:47:49have found and then is from what I

1:47:53looked at some of those are not included

1:47:56in your report but definitely cause

1:47:59major drainage issues in communities.

1:48:03If you could kind of elaborate on that.

1:48:05>> Thank you, Councilwoman Logan. Uh you're

1:48:08absolutely correct. Um I think

1:48:11uh at the end of the day many homeowners

1:48:13are not uh aware of the fact uh that a

1:48:16lot of the roadside ditches across the

1:48:19community in some communities uh I

1:48:22mentioned Ridge uh a little bit earlier

1:48:24that's the community that I grew up in

1:48:26and all we knew uh for the better part

1:48:28of that uh uh particular community was

1:48:32roadside ditches and some homeowners are

1:48:34not aware that that's not the city's uh

1:48:37responsibility. Uh, so if we could do a

1:48:40little bit better job in communicating

1:48:42that to homeowners, I think it would

1:48:44probably uh encourage some homeowners to

1:48:47do their best to prevent obstruction

1:48:51uh and debris, collection of debris uh

1:48:54in those ditches that could uh cause

1:48:57water to back up further onto their

1:48:59property. And then we have a complaint

1:49:00where um residents are complaining that

1:49:03their property uh is flooding. Um but uh

1:49:07I will defer to u uh director Morgan to

1:49:10speak a little bit more to the city's uh

1:49:13maintenance program as it relates to

1:49:15roadside ditches.

1:49:16>> I guess why I'm asking is because from

1:49:19my understanding when it was my

1:49:20understanding that when you all what you

1:49:22a part of what you were doing is looking

1:49:24at all the drains and labeling and

1:49:26numbering them and assessing the

1:49:29severity of you know deterioration and

1:49:31those types of things. So, some of those

1:49:34are connected though to homeowners and

1:49:37neighborhood

1:49:39uh owned uh drain systems and

1:49:43interchanges and stuff. So, if those

1:49:45aren't being done, how are you able to

1:49:47get done what you're getting done if

1:49:50those are not cleared or repaired? How

1:49:54is it impacting this this report that

1:49:57you're giving us? because those aren't

1:50:00even included in your report.

1:50:02>> Okay.

1:50:03>> And maybe you can answer that.

1:50:05>> So, I think um you got to take each each

1:50:09piece together. So, part of the MSQ2

1:50:12program is we're assessing all of the

1:50:14existing city infrastructure. So,

1:50:16publicly owned, so uh concrete pipe,

1:50:19concrete channel line ditches, doing the

1:50:21assessments, providing the scores, u

1:50:23making sure that they're, you know,

1:50:25they're open and flowing and things like

1:50:26that, not not obstructed. Uh in addition

1:50:29to the program they're also doing as uh

1:50:32through division of engineering we've

1:50:34done basin study models. So there's 35

1:50:3836 basins. Uh we've done a little over

1:50:4220 throughout the city. And from those

1:50:44basin studies we put out monitors in the

1:50:47system to capture rainfall data and

1:50:49prepare a model uh for a certain size

1:50:51storm that essentially shows us where um

1:50:54modeled flooding could result from. We

1:50:58take that as well as um citizen

1:51:00complaints that engineering has recorded

1:51:01throughout the years um that the MSQ2

1:51:04program has picked up from citizen

1:51:06complaints and kind of put all that

1:51:07together and then that's where we start

1:51:09de developing um projects to you know

1:51:13for discussion and refining the model to

1:51:15see what improvements need to be done in

1:51:18these areas to alleviate that flooding.

1:51:20>> Can you define basin study? Uh so a

1:51:23drainage basin is essentially a

1:51:26geographical area that drains into into

1:51:29one area based on uh slope or geography.

1:51:33So certain areas of the city drain, you

1:51:35know, certain places. Um they all

1:51:37eventually end up in Nonana Creek,

1:51:40Lousachi River, Wolf River. So

1:51:43everything kind of goes to those larger

1:51:45water bodies like smaller basins

1:51:47continue to go into larger ones. Um,

1:51:52so, uh, going back to your question, I

1:51:55think that coupled with, you know,

1:51:58homeowners responsibilities,

1:52:00uh, when we do an investigation from a

1:52:02maintenance perspective, um, public

1:52:05works as well as engineering determine,

1:52:06you know, if it was a private party

1:52:09issue or if it's a public drainage

1:52:11issue. even if it is a private party, we

1:52:13let them know, you know, certain things

1:52:15need to be done to uh continue to

1:52:17maintain that uh to help prevent things

1:52:20like that. So, I mean, it's kind of it's

1:52:22all kind of, you know, coupled together

1:52:24with investigation as well as the

1:52:25studies to help um you know, identify

1:52:29>> mean to cut you off, but I do understand

1:52:30how you get to the point. But my point

1:52:32is when you find out it's the home, you

1:52:34found out it was a problem, it was an

1:52:36issue, it was causing concern,

1:52:37[clears throat] but then you ascertain

1:52:39that it was the homeowner, it doesn't go

1:52:41to your report, right?

1:52:42>> But the homeowner doesn't fix it. It

1:52:44still impacts the work that you're

1:52:47[clears throat] identifying is what I'm

1:52:48saying. So, how how are we as council or

1:52:52administration or city official who need

1:52:55to um who are planning dollars or you

1:52:58know determining dollars? How do we have

1:53:01an accurate

1:53:03figure of what it takes to repair it

1:53:06when we're not even looking at those

1:53:08that those that are owned by homeowners

1:53:10that are impacting the overall study?

1:53:15any investigation that public works does

1:53:18um you know if it's a private party

1:53:20concern those those homeowners are made

1:53:22aware. Now it's up to the homeowner to

1:53:25correct that action and typically um you

1:53:29know some of those are isolated to where

1:53:31they're only affecting that one property

1:53:33or the roadway. Um you know if it

1:53:35becomes a public safety issue you know

1:53:38if it's a clogged drain or something

1:53:39that's private where you know we might

1:53:41take action to help alleviate that. But

1:53:43like you said, overall these probably

1:53:46don't get into the um the realm of

1:53:49actually making a project, you know, um

1:53:53one way or another. So, but I think we

1:53:55can talk a little bit more offline.

1:53:57>> We'll talk offline and because I'm I

1:53:59[clears throat] don't know if I'm not

1:54:00asking the question correctly or what,

1:54:02but

1:54:03>> I think

1:54:08>> we'll talk offline. All right. you

1:54:10understand what I'm asking and you can

1:54:12give me the information offline. All

1:54:13right. Thank you.

1:54:16>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Dwan. Go

1:54:20ahead on. Uh thank you, Dwan, for this

1:54:22presentation because this is very

1:54:24concerning. I walked knocked doors with

1:54:27you in communities trying to get the

1:54:29question I think that uh Dr. I mean that

1:54:32Dr. Logan, Councilwoman Logan has just

1:54:35proposed, right? trying because it was

1:54:37on the uh homeowner and I think we had

1:54:40several um

1:54:42>> homeowners that would not agree um to

1:54:46participate or answer the door or

1:54:48whatever. But my thing is this. Are we

1:54:50collecting taxes on these storm

1:54:52drainage?

1:54:55>> We don't collect taxes for it. We

1:54:56collect fees. That's what I thought.

1:54:58Storm water

1:54:58>> fees. Okay. That's what I wanted. So why

1:55:00should the homeowner be paying for

1:55:01anything if we're collecting the fees?

1:55:06I may be missing.

1:55:07>> If we're collecting the fees and we're

1:55:10collecting the fees from them, why

1:55:12should they be responsible?

1:55:15>> Because there's certain infrastructure

1:55:16that's not public, just like sewers. I

1:55:18mean, there's there's private drives

1:55:21that are in communities, private

1:55:22streets, there's private sewers, there's

1:55:24private drains.

1:55:26I mean, there's certain things that the

1:55:28city

1:55:28>> maintain. What are we collecting the

1:55:29fees on? Actually, then

1:55:31>> the the fees are on your MLG&W bill.

1:55:33Yes. and they're responsible. So that

1:55:36goes to the debt service, the

1:55:37maintenance upkeep of the storm water

1:55:39system, the capital improvement

1:55:41>> goes to the debt service,

1:55:42>> capital improvement projects, all for

1:55:44storm water system.

1:55:45>> Okay.

1:55:48So my question is to you um Mr. Jawan.

1:55:51>> Yes ma'am.

1:55:52>> Are these projects because when I'm

1:55:54looking at super district 8 then I look

1:55:55at super district 9 then I look at them

1:55:57individual. Thank you for breaking them

1:55:59down individually.

1:56:01Are these subcontract other out to other

1:56:04people? Are these all your projects that

1:56:06and I want to know a time frame and when

1:56:08these will be finished because look like

1:56:10you all may need some help. Is there

1:56:11some staff capacity that you don't have

1:56:14enough staffing? I mean, how is this

1:56:16determined because you all may need some

1:56:18help.

1:56:19>> Uh, no ma'am. I think uh we kind of walk

1:56:23through what goes into getting a project

1:56:25from uh project identification and

1:56:28selection all the way through uh to um

1:56:32uh construction. I I will say that under

1:56:34the MSQ2 program, we have a number of

1:56:39design consultants that are working on

1:56:41uh the uh design of the 59 projects that

1:56:45we've talked about. I mean, it's just a

1:56:47it's just a process. um uh real estate

1:56:50uh issues, acquisition, uh something you

1:56:53and I have been involved in and trying

1:56:55to get a couple of uh hold outs over in

1:56:58White Haven Garden to give us the uh

1:57:01easement that we needed in order to

1:57:03proceed with that particular project. I

1:57:05mean, some things are just a little bit

1:57:06more time consuming, but I don't think

1:57:08it has anything to do uh with uh

1:57:11staffing within

1:57:13>> the MSQ2 uh program uh at the end of the

1:57:17day. So when it comes to actual

1:57:18construction, uh there are uh uh

1:57:22contractors uh local as well as out of

1:57:25town contractors that come in and assist

1:57:28uh with the construction of those uh

1:57:31projects. Uh we do assist the city of

1:57:33Memphis in monitoring uh construction on

1:57:36u a number of projects but uh at the end

1:57:39of the day I believe that if we had

1:57:41double the number of staffs double the

1:57:44number of u uh design consultants uh

1:57:47would be still you know where we are

1:57:49today because there's a process that has

1:57:51to uh take place as part of the project

1:57:54identification selection process which

1:57:56is is timeconuming everything is

1:57:58methodical just to ensure

1:58:01uh that every dollar that is investing

1:58:05uh is providing the greatest uh return

1:58:07on that investment in terms of reducing

1:58:11uh flood risk in communities across the

1:58:13city of Memphis.

1:58:15>> When is the ET is there an estimated

1:58:17time frame that all these projects

1:58:18should be finished?

1:58:21So in response to that particular

1:58:24question, I think one of the slides, if

1:58:26I'm not mistaken, actually had the uh

1:58:29estimated uh construction uh time and

1:58:32that would be those projects that are

1:58:34currently uh under construction or those

1:58:37that are moving towards construction. We

1:58:40could provide some estimates but if it's

1:58:42still in the design phase um there's no

1:58:45way possible to kind of estimate

1:58:47>> even tell to even determine that time

1:58:49and day.

1:58:50>> Correct. Correct. We wish we could uh

1:58:53but you know as with any construction

1:58:55whether it's drainage construction

1:58:56anything else there's just so many

1:58:58variables and so many things that could

1:59:00could happen.

1:59:03We've had some projects that have had to

1:59:04go out to bid several times. Uh but you

1:59:07know today I you know can honestly sit

1:59:10here and say uh that construction has

1:59:12started on the uh Morningside uh

1:59:15drainage project uh which did go out the

1:59:18bid several times because uh as Murphy's

1:59:20law uh goes uh anything that can go

1:59:24wrong will go wrong but um we're finally

1:59:27at that point where construction has

1:59:29started on Morning Side.

1:59:33>> All right. Well, thank you for this

1:59:34presentation. um

1:59:37would like for you to come back

1:59:38quarterly just to kind of see where we

1:59:40are and moving forward with it.

1:59:43>> We don't have a problem with that

1:59:44whatsoever. I think kind of overdue. So,

1:59:47I'm glad you requested the uh

1:59:49>> you know the update.

1:59:52>> Thank you, chairman.

1:59:55>> All right. Any council members in the

1:59:56queue?

1:59:58Counciloman Green, you ready?

2:00:01>> Are you sure?

2:00:02Council Thomas,

2:00:04>> stay ready. Get ready.

2:00:05>> You got you got D the one Gillum. You

2:00:07ain't got to ask for nothing.

2:00:09>> We know we know boss man here. All

2:00:11right. All right. Um it appears that all

2:00:13hearts and minds could. Thank you all so

2:00:14much. With that, this is a journ.

2:00:16>> Thank you.

2:02:58Thomas,

2:03:01>> Councilwoman Walker,

2:03:04>> Chairwoman Swearen, Washington,

2:03:06>> present.

2:03:08>> Councilman Smiley,

2:03:09>> I'm here.

2:03:12Uh, Councilwoman Cooper Sutton,

2:03:15>> I don't think you need those.

2:03:16>> I'll take it.

2:03:17>> And Councilwoman White,

2:03:22>> and and uh, Councilman Canali

2:03:24>> here.

2:03:25>> And Chair Warren

2:03:27>> also here.

2:03:29>> Exactly.

2:03:31>> Um, colleagues, I'm going to go ahead,

2:03:33if you won't mind, and take an update on

2:03:35the Rodney Ber Park in regards to

2:03:38feasibility and potential cost of

2:03:40outdoor restrooms. District 7, Super

2:03:42District 8. This was requested by

2:03:44Councilwoman Easter Thomas. Do you have

2:03:46a comment, Councilwoman?

2:03:48Quickly. Thanks, Chair. Um, I just wanna

2:03:53first, uh, before y'all start, thank

2:03:55Parks for just taking the time to put

2:03:57this together out of request. And I also

2:03:59believe Councilwoman Cooper Sutton was

2:04:01um, in coordination with that request as

2:04:03well because, and this just to say

2:04:06before we get into the presentation uh,

2:04:08and I probably will say it again

2:04:09afterwards, this This request came out

2:04:12of the Frasier community asking about um

2:04:17restroom possibilities at Rodney Babber

2:04:20Park um because of its baseball usage um

2:04:25and its new renovation. Now, I do know

2:04:28that parks um that director Bowden and

2:04:32the parks um division took it upon

2:04:36themselves to do the due diligence to

2:04:38look at everything. But I just want to

2:04:41make sure um you know we know that parks

2:04:43are dust to dawn and they're not

2:04:45supposed to have restrooms because that

2:04:46incurs other fees and and things such as

2:04:49that but when we talk about those parks

2:04:51that have additional facilities where

2:04:53you need a bathroom like a baseball

2:04:55field, right? Um that's where this is

2:04:58coming from. So I do thank you for

2:04:59putting together all the information. I

2:05:01look forward to the presentation but

2:05:02just reminding us that you know where it

2:05:06came from and the thought process of it.

2:05:08Thank you chair. So, as you proceed, uh,

2:05:11director, start with Rodney Ber, please.

2:05:14>> Okay. All right. So, uh, council

2:05:16members, you should have the slides. I

2:05:18think m Mr. Horton is working on, uh,

2:05:20pulling them up onto the screen. Um,

2:05:22just to kind of get started, uh, one of

2:05:23the things we did was go through and

2:05:25identify that we've got, you know, 165

2:05:28parks, trails, and green spaces across

2:05:29the city. And then we looked at number

2:05:31one, what the cost was to install a

2:05:34prefab concrete bathroom. uh that is

2:05:38essentially uh going to be protected

2:05:40against the elements and and vandalism,

2:05:41things of that nature. And so what we

2:05:43identified is at the minimum we're

2:05:44looking at a cost of around 525 to

2:05:47775,000

2:05:49per uh bathroom. Uh we also looked at

2:05:52three of the existing locations that we

2:05:54have and and we'll talk a little bit

2:05:56about those. And then also what uh

2:05:58installation or delivery time looks

2:06:00like, which is typically around 90 days.

2:06:02And that's not necessarily including the

2:06:04contract process, but more so just the

2:06:06construction process. And then just in

2:06:09terms of moving to the next slide, what

2:06:10you'll see is an example of what that

2:06:13restroom uh storage building uh looks

2:06:15like. Typically, it's all gender,

2:06:17meaning uh we would have uh you know,

2:06:20unisex. Uh certainly you see the

2:06:22furniture and fixtures that would be

2:06:23there s such as uh toilet sinks ensuring

2:06:26that they're ADA compliant that we have

2:06:29uh the utilities the plumbing electrical

2:06:31access as well as the concrete flooring

2:06:33uh and ventilation. And then in terms of

2:06:36options uh that can be added to the

2:06:38bathroom. That's where we look at the

2:06:39covered entry uh which in Memphis we

2:06:41know what we do uh with the weather we

2:06:43deal with as well as drinking fountains

2:06:45and whatnot. So and just proceed.

2:06:48And then just in terms of the capital

2:06:50cost, we talked a little bit about it.

2:06:51Prefab concrete uh building 275,000. Uh

2:06:55the installation piece is where the

2:06:56additional cost comes in ranging from

2:06:58250 to 500 and that includes the the

2:07:01site work as well as utilities. And uh

2:07:04on the low end uh you can see to the

2:07:06right where we've got the the low-end

2:07:08cost and then uh in terms of high-end.

2:07:10Now if we were to do this across our

2:07:12entire system, uh that's the number you

2:07:14see at the bottom, the 86 million to

2:07:16127. And as we go through it, you'll see

2:07:20why we're not recommending doing this

2:07:21across the board, but we're also giving

2:07:23you estimates if we were to do this one

2:07:25per per council district. So, you can

2:07:28kind of proceed to the next slide. And

2:07:30so, right now, uh, in terms of outdoor

2:07:33bathrooms that we have, we highlighted

2:07:35the three locations where they're in

2:07:37operation in the city. One is Dalstrom.

2:07:39Uh, we also highlighted the number of

2:07:41rentals that that has occurred at that

2:07:43location, 47 this past year. David KS in

2:07:46White Haven, uh the Blue Cross Blue

2:07:48Shield location. And then last but not

2:07:50least, Martin Luther King Riverside Park

2:07:52as well. And so, uh you'll see to the

2:07:54right, if we were to install one per

2:07:56council district, um we would be looking

2:07:58at somewhere between 3.7 to 5.4 million.

2:08:01And then, of course, if we were to look

2:08:03at all 20 of these locations, which are

2:08:05our highest rented parks, then that

2:08:07number to the left, the 10 to to 15

2:08:09million is the installation cost. So, we

2:08:12wanted to just provide that just so we

2:08:13have an idea of

2:08:15keep going either way and then proceed.

2:08:18And then we we talked a little bit about

2:08:20the site constraints engineering

2:08:21different sites have different

2:08:23topography uh sewer distance uh that

2:08:26that includes like utilities, the flood

2:08:28plane drainage which was one of the main

2:08:30reasons why Rodney Ber Park uh received

2:08:32the resiliency grant was to deal with

2:08:34the the flood flooding and whatnot. I

2:08:37think many can remember back to 2009

2:08:39that location was was underwater. Um but

2:08:41the the mitigations that was done

2:08:43through the project have have really

2:08:44helped to to alleviate flooding in that

2:08:47area. Um and then just just proceeding

2:08:50uh to the next slide uh some of the

2:08:53operational realities that we also want

2:08:55wanted to highlight is uh whether or not

2:08:57in terms of staffing uh what does daily

2:08:59operations look like? So that means

2:09:01opening, inspecting, making sure our

2:09:03doors, locks, lighting, the vandalism

2:09:05checks, uh cleaning and restocking the

2:09:07restrooms with with supplies, uh looking

2:09:10at plumbing responses, whether we're

2:09:11dealing with clogs or or diapers or

2:09:13sewer backups. And and these are real

2:09:15things that happen in our bathrooms, not

2:09:17only in ours, but but our partners, uh

2:09:19and then if if we're making repairs. So

2:09:21currently on an annual basis between

2:09:23these three locations uh whether it's

2:09:25general services or parks uh addressing

2:09:28uh repairs and and vandalism and so

2:09:30forth, it's a cost of about $10,000 a

2:09:32year or uh on average. Um and then last

2:09:35but not least, security. So that that

2:09:37deals with misuse and and sheltering,

2:09:39extended stays. Um continue. And so we

2:09:43talked a little bit about those three

2:09:44locations uh in terms of what what do we

2:09:47mostly experience? Um and we we talked

2:09:50about those things, the vandalism in

2:09:52some cases the misuse uh sheltering and

2:09:55then also sewer clogs. Um and then

2:09:57proceed.

2:10:00And so the other piece, operational

2:10:03costs. Um if we're looking at a

2:10:05contractor, you you'll see that number

2:10:06to the right, the 385,000. That's an

2:10:09estimate of about 55,000 per location.

2:10:12Uh if we were to go the contractor

2:10:15route. Now, certainly at the bottom,

2:10:17you'll see to the right the 858,000

2:10:20uh represents the cost of going inhouse.

2:10:23We've also included a one-time capital

2:10:25acquisition cost of about 160,000. And

2:10:27that's meaning we're doing seven

2:10:29locations primarily because we would

2:10:31need to procure equipment in order to be

2:10:33able to manage the locations as opposed

2:10:34to your your contractors. Uh they

2:10:37typically would already have that that

2:10:39uh inhouse.

2:10:41And then also staff terms of pros and

2:10:43cons. So, pros, uh, the durability of

2:10:46the bathrooms. They're ADA compliant.

2:10:48Uh, they're easy to pressure wash and

2:10:50disinfect. Uh, they're in terms of

2:10:53repairs with utilities. Also looking at

2:10:55storage areas that can support park

2:10:57maintenance, uh, operations. And then

2:10:59also, um, one of the big reasons why

2:11:01we're looking at it at Rodney Ber in

2:11:03particular is, uh, accommodating

2:11:05families, tournaments, and event

2:11:07usability. And then on the other side,

2:11:08we we talked about the uh some of the

2:11:10cons and so I I won't continue to go

2:11:12through those uh weather, flooding and

2:11:14and those sorts. Continue.

2:11:19So good good candidates for uh parks or

2:11:23for for restrooms, regional parks,

2:11:25sports complexes, uh which Rodney Ber

2:11:28falls into that. Kennedy would probably

2:11:29be another location. uh high use

2:11:31destination parks with programmed

2:11:33activity sites that have daily staff

2:11:35presence or contracted service route

2:11:36which we just uh discussed and then the

2:11:39existing uh nearby sewer, water and

2:11:41electrical capacity. And then last but

2:11:44not least uh either low flood plane or

2:11:46or drainage risk. And then of of course

2:11:48in terms of locations we would likely uh

2:11:51avoid those that are isolated

2:11:53neighborhood parks with limited

2:11:54oversight sites that deal with repeated

2:11:56vandalism and uh monitoring may be an

2:11:58issue. Certainly we're looking at at

2:12:00cameras and parks and and that's

2:12:02something that uh Councilwoman Isa

2:12:04Thomas and Green have have worked with

2:12:05us on. But nonetheless, uh some of the

2:12:07other issues could be flood plane,

2:12:09drainage, etc.

2:12:12And then in terms of recommendations, um

2:12:15prefab concrete restrooms don't

2:12:17necessarily have to be a default amenity

2:12:19across our entire park system. However,

2:12:22um there are opportunities for us to use

2:12:24them selectively. And then just in terms

2:12:26of uh recommended council direction, so

2:12:29uh approving a site screening standard

2:12:32before we purchase that just allows us

2:12:34to assess the location and make sure

2:12:35that it fits some of those needs we just

2:12:37described uh requiring uh funded

2:12:40cleaning, inspection, and repair plans.

2:12:42So that means not only are we coming in

2:12:44and and looking at the capital side of

2:12:46installing restrooms, but also we're

2:12:48looking at the operational side, which

2:12:50typically is going to fall on M&S or uh

2:12:53personnel. and then prioritizing those

2:12:56regional parks, sports lo complexes, and

2:12:58major event locations. And then last but

2:13:01not least, uh looking at the existing uh

2:13:03three locations and just understanding

2:13:05what are some of those maintenance costs

2:13:07and failure points.

2:13:09And so uh that's pretty much what I had.

2:13:11Um certainly we've talked with

2:13:14councilwoman Issa Thomas about uh Rodney

2:13:16Baber and if if uh it we will on the

2:13:20park side we will present and and

2:13:22prepare our our FY28 through32 budget

2:13:25and include this location and ultimately

2:13:27if it's adopted by council then we would

2:13:29move in that direction.

2:13:32>> Thank you u councilwoman.

2:13:36>> I'm looking at Canali's face. Um thank

2:13:39you chair. Uh, thank y'all parks for

2:13:41this presentation. Um, and this is not

2:13:43to say that next council meeting I'm

2:13:45come with a resolution that we can get

2:13:46go ahead and get a bathroom. But it is

2:13:48good to see all of this laid out and

2:13:50just the you know the numbers and how

2:13:53they look and the possibilities. Um, I

2:13:55think this is something that we do need

2:13:57to have a a conversation around um to

2:14:00consider about especially with with that

2:14:03slide what you showed for the the

2:14:05recommended parks to do and recommended

2:14:07parks to not have um because you know if

2:14:11we're doing more programming, more

2:14:12player parks and and more things um

2:14:16those places would be good sites and

2:14:19locations to have restrooms because

2:14:22that's just a a basic

2:14:25human need. Um especially when we're

2:14:28asking more people to visit and engage

2:14:30with and be at their park locations. Um

2:14:33so thank you parks for doing it. I know

2:14:36councilwoman Cooper Sutton probably

2:14:37wants to add on chair. Um but I think

2:14:40this is something that we need to talk

2:14:41about and see how like what what it

2:14:43looks like for next budget to get to see

2:14:46what's possible. Um, I do want to say

2:14:48that also what wasn't included um was

2:14:51the option to look at

2:14:54park staff added versus doing contract

2:14:57route. Um, now I'm not, you know, the

2:15:00mathematician, but I just did some quick

2:15:02and dirty and it looked way cheaper than

2:15:04what was on there. um as a possibility,

2:15:07but that might be something as we talk

2:15:09about it in the future, you know, and

2:15:11bringing on staff to do that versus

2:15:13contracting out [clears throat]

2:15:14uh the cleanup and the maintenance for

2:15:16that.

2:15:16>> That's a good point.

2:15:18>> So, it's actually on there if you look

2:15:20on the uh I don't have them numbered,

2:15:23but it's the contractor versus Memphis

2:15:25Parks inhouse. The arrow, that one. So,

2:15:29uh that 858,000

2:15:31number that is staffing.

2:15:34>> Okay. Well, yeah, our our number was

2:15:36totally off then. Uh I like my numbers

2:15:38better what I did on my calculator. Um

2:15:40[laughter] but I just did it at the

2:15:42basic 40 hours a week for the the 15 at

2:15:47seven sites and that's what I got. Uh

2:15:50I'm sure y'all include a lot a lot more

2:15:52things, but that can probably, you know,

2:15:53we'll talk about that later. Um but it

2:15:56probably ain't going to cost a million

2:15:57dollars to do that unless we're paying

2:15:59people a living wage of 40,000 a year to

2:16:03clean bathroom. So that includes the

2:16:04staff, all of the equipment, chemicals,

2:16:08restocking, everything that we would

2:16:10need in parks to actually go through and

2:16:13clean those restrooms. So when we're

2:16:14talking about fuel to get to the

2:16:17locations, that onetime capital cost, we

2:16:19would need vehicles for those people and

2:16:22we would need uniforms for those people

2:16:24that are that's doing those jobs. So we

2:16:27included everything in that bottom

2:16:29number. I don't want to be labor chair,

2:16:31but I'll say there are parks under you

2:16:33all's management that does not spend a

2:16:35million dollars a year on cleaning up.

2:16:37So, I I'm I'mma leave it there. We can

2:16:39talk about it.

2:16:41>> That's the contractor route. They do the

2:16:43contract rout that much, but that's just

2:16:46something we can put a pin in for the

2:16:47later discussion for that.

2:16:51>> Thank you, Councilwoman. Councilwoman

2:16:53Cooper said,

2:16:54>> thank you. Thank you, uh, Chairman, and

2:16:56thank you, uh, Dr. Eastern Thomas. Yeah,

2:17:00we want to put a pen in because if it

2:17:01cost a million dollars to clean up, I

2:17:02want some You need to tell me what you

2:17:05doing. So, we need to put a I totally

2:17:07agree. But when I think about parks and

2:17:10I'm glad that this presentation that you

2:17:11broke everything down to actually, you

2:17:14know, look at what the cost would look

2:17:16like. And um and I'm sure uh Frasier

2:17:20community is glad that we're bringing

2:17:21this up and we're talking about it

2:17:23because this is something they've been

2:17:25asking for. And especially when you have

2:17:27a baseball field, um

2:17:31what sports are going on? When I travel

2:17:33out of town, mostly they do have

2:17:35restrooms because we sometime we go in

2:17:37there, we change for tennis and there's

2:17:39a baseball field across there. There's a

2:17:41tennis court and then there's a soccer

2:17:43court. And so normally when you have

2:17:45sports complex with parks like that,

2:17:48they normally do house bathrooms because

2:17:50it's easier access. And if you know

2:17:53they're running late, they can't change

2:17:55where they are. So, we really need to

2:17:56think about it. And then I guess we need

2:17:58to think about um [snorts] the cost too

2:18:00with inflation and things the way things

2:18:02are looking and going. We need to be uh

2:18:05the word of God say you know before you

2:18:07do anything let's think about the cost

2:18:09and then what it looks like 5 10 years

2:18:11from now not just at this point this is

2:18:14what we're needing. And so we need to

2:18:16really think about that. But thank you

2:18:19for uh doing your due diligence and this

2:18:22was a really good detailed and informed

2:18:25presentation. Thank you, Chairman.

2:18:28>> Thank Thank you, Madam Chair. Item

2:18:29number one is a resolution seeking

2:18:32approval of a 7-year initial lease term

2:18:35with an option to renew for one

2:18:37additional 7-year period between the

2:18:40city of Memphis and Bluff City Athletics

2:18:44uh aka or DBA Bluff City Pickle Ball LLC

2:18:48at 940 Early Maxwell Pipkin Building,

2:18:51Memphis, Tennessee 38104,

2:18:54District 4, Super District 9, sponsored

2:18:57by administration. And I need a motion

2:18:59>> moved by our chairwoman. Seconded by

2:19:02>> I second

2:19:03>> by Councilman JB Smiley. Uh you have the

2:19:07floor, sir.

2:19:09>> Yeah. Okay. Put you in the queue.

2:19:10>> I don't think I introduced myself and

2:19:11gave address for the last one. So

2:19:13Justice Balden 2599 Avery. Uh so here we

2:19:17have Bluff City Pickle Ball where we're

2:19:19looking at uh 8 to 10 pickle ball courts

2:19:22at the Pipkin building. Um, first I I do

2:19:24want to highlight some of the work we've

2:19:25done uh in the interim just with our

2:19:28partners and whatnot. So, uh, in terms

2:19:30of the Memphis Sports and Event Center,

2:19:32which is an an adjacent uh, new

2:19:34facility, roughly about 225,000 square

2:19:36feet, uh, we have, uh, relocated several

2:19:40events there already, city events, in

2:19:42particular, the family fund fitness day,

2:19:43which occurred this past weekend, as

2:19:45well as the youth services college and

2:19:46career fair. Also, the University of

2:19:48Memphis band, who had been a long

2:19:49long-term uh user of either creative

2:19:52arts or uh Pipkin, uh has had some of

2:19:54their pregame festivities in the sports

2:19:56and event.

2:19:57>> So, where they were in the Pipkin

2:19:58building, now they're in

2:20:00>> the sports and event center.

2:20:01>> Okay,

2:20:02>> that is correct. Yeah. And then also the

2:20:03the Liberty Bowl game pregame buffet.

2:20:06So, also ensuring that that location.

2:20:08Uh, so just to take it back

2:20:10historically, the pregame buffet

2:20:12typically would occur between Pipkin and

2:20:15Creative Arts, which doesn't have HVAC,

2:20:17as well as a tent. And so instead, we're

2:20:20looking at the 75,000 foot space, uh,

2:20:23that's indoors, the event side of the

2:20:25sports and event center. And then last

2:20:26but not least, uh, Memphis Roller Derby.

2:20:29So, I've had some conversations with

2:20:30their team uh and one of the first

2:20:32things I did was connect uh their leader

2:20:35with uh the Memphis Sports and Event

2:20:36Center to ensure that we can accommodate

2:20:38them. And so, uh we've got days that are

2:20:41designated throughout the year, Mondays

2:20:42and Wednesdays in particularly from 5:30

2:20:44to 9:30 p.m. But we also have the option

2:20:47of Tuesdays and Thursdays as well,

2:20:49except for during the April and May

2:20:50period. And so, um that was really

2:20:52important for us. Certainly, we

2:20:54understand the importance of some of the

2:20:55the programs and and organizations like

2:20:58uh Memphis Rob Derby. I've got daughters

2:21:00and and I'm looking forward to attending

2:21:02some of those events as well. And so,

2:21:04>> so question for you on that. So, you've

2:21:06got them lined up where they potentially

2:21:08could get in this facility. Same cost,

2:21:12>> similar cost. So, right now, um the

2:21:15Pipkin building cost is roughly about

2:21:17150 a night. And so, it's going to be in

2:21:19that range somewhere between 150 to 175

2:21:22for practices. So, yes.

2:21:24>> So, I guess the thing that I'm saying is

2:21:26if we're really wanting to move them

2:21:27without having trouble, why isn't it

2:21:30exactly the same cost?

2:21:33>> So, the there's a difference in terms of

2:21:35cost for the facility, but what we did

2:21:37do is bring it down quite a bit. And so,

2:21:39we're talking about 4 hours uh

2:21:42throughout the year. There's certain

2:21:43times where they're in season and then

2:21:45offseason, but uh what we tried to do

2:21:47was was make sure we could keep it

2:21:48affordable. the the rates for the sports

2:21:50and event center are much higher, but we

2:21:52can work through that.

2:21:53>> Well, I mean, I I think that may be your

2:21:55that may be your problem. If you had a

2:21:58similar exact same rate, you probably

2:22:00would see people moving there a little

2:22:02bit more quickly, but keep going.

2:22:04>> Yeah. And that's something presentation.

2:22:06>> Yes. So, at this time, I do want to turn

2:22:08it over to uh Leslie Daniels and her

2:22:10team with Bluff City Pickle Ball just to

2:22:12talk about um what they're planning for

2:22:15the Pipkin building.

2:22:21Yeah, go ahead.

2:22:24>> I think I think my I think my concern is

2:22:30we talk about potential options but

2:22:31nothing's been finalized and I have a

2:22:33hard time displacing people until we

2:22:35have a more formal agreement in place.

2:22:38Um I think when we spoke briefly about

2:22:40it um prior to this meeting, you said we

2:22:42could potentially have something done

2:22:44within the next week or two. I expect

2:22:46for it to be done within the next few

2:22:48days. Certainly, u I spoke to Chandler

2:22:50with uh Roller Derby last night and so

2:22:52they're in they're in conversations

2:22:54working through it with Sports and Event

2:22:55Center. Yes.

2:22:56>> Okay. So, I'm going to

2:22:57>> I have a I have a thought before you

2:22:59make Yeah. Yeah. So, let's go ahead and

2:23:02move forward with the presentation. I

2:23:04think after the presentation, I have

2:23:06something that we can do. Okay.

2:23:20All right, let's go ahead. I'd like to

2:23:22hear this presentation and then we'll

2:23:24get back if we can to questions. That's

2:23:26okay, Councilwoman.

2:23:29>> All right,

2:23:30>> go ahead.

2:23:31>> Well, good afternoon. This is okay. Can

2:23:34you hear me?

2:23:34>> Name name and address for the record.

2:23:37>> Okay, so I am Leslie Daniel.

2:23:40I'm Leslie Daniel, uh, co-owner of Bluff

2:23:44City Po pickle ball, and I just want to

2:23:46say thank you and to the to the

2:23:48committee for having us today. Uh,

2:23:53thank you for the opportunity to share

2:23:55our story and our vision of pickle ball

2:23:58at Liberty Park. Bluff City Pickle Ball

2:24:00at Liberty Park represents an

2:24:02opportunity for a public private

2:24:06partnership that activates an

2:24:08underutilized city asset, bring

2:24:10significant private investment to

2:24:12Liberty Park and addresses the

2:24:15recreational needs in which Memphis has

2:24:18fallen well behind its peer cities. To

2:24:21put that in perspective, Nashville has

2:24:2468 public pickle ball courts and

2:24:27Knoxville has approximately 20. Memphis

2:24:30has nothing approaching that level of

2:24:32public pickle ball infrastructure. Next

2:24:35slide, please.

2:24:37These are just some fun facts about

2:24:39pickle ball. It is the fastest growing

2:24:42sport. Once people try pickle ball, 90%

2:24:45of them come back to play. Pickle ball

2:24:48is a great way to connect with people

2:24:50from all walks of life and ages. Next

2:24:53slide, please. In just two and a half

2:24:56years, more than 10,000 different people

2:24:59have visited our Bartlett Club. And from

2:25:02the beginning, we used the facility to

2:25:05benefit a broader community. We've

2:25:08hosted tournaments and events supporting

2:25:11veterans, chronically ill children, and

2:25:14programs serving economically

2:25:16disadvantaged young young people. For

2:25:19example, we have partnered with Dream

2:25:21Factory since we've opened to host a

2:25:24tournament to raise money to send a

2:25:27chronically ill child to their dream

2:25:29vacation. This December will be their

2:25:32third tournament. We also hosted a

2:25:34Father's Day tournament to raise money

2:25:37for the Playbook for Success Foundation,

2:25:41a nonfor-profit organization that

2:25:43focuses on youth development, literacy,

2:25:46wellness program for children grades

2:25:49second through 12th. Next slide, please.

2:25:53Bluff City Pickle Ball is a

2:25:55mission-driven organization.

2:25:58That means we use the structure and dis

2:26:01and dis discipline of a business to

2:26:04accomplish social goals. Our mission is

2:26:07simple. Bring people together and get

2:26:10them moving to improve their physical

2:26:12and mental wellbeing. For seniors, we do

2:26:16have a reduced weekday rate. 40 hours of

2:26:19play weekly equals a dollar per hour. We

2:26:24have a group of retirees that have this

2:26:26membership and they play about two times

2:26:29or more a week. We love that University

2:26:32of Memphis, Christian Brothers, Roads,

2:26:34and Leone Owen is near the Pipkin

2:26:36building because we do offer a student

2:26:39membership for $25 or equivalent to 80

2:26:42cents per hour. We have had great

2:26:45success with a college night event at

2:26:47our club and we want to do more of this

2:26:49at the Pipkin building. Bluff City

2:26:51Pickle Ball is the first indoor club to

2:26:54open in the Midsouth and we have the

2:26:57lowest rates in the area. Next slide,

2:27:00please.

2:27:01These are pictures of different events

2:27:03that we have had at our club. If you

2:27:05look at the top far right, these are

2:27:08students from our Bartlett High School.

2:27:10We had a student that wanted to teach

2:27:13students how to play pickle ball and we

2:27:15allowed them to use two of our courts

2:27:17for two hours for four weeks for free.

2:27:22And these students actually have come

2:27:24back to more programming at our club. We

2:27:27had a group of disabled veterans from

2:27:30the military adaptive court sport to

2:27:33come and play for our club for a few

2:27:34days for free.

2:27:36They are coming back at the end of

2:27:38October to host three beginner clinics

2:27:41for for veterans for free. Next slide,

2:27:45please.

2:27:46This here is just a plan amenities and

2:27:49features of the Pipkin building, which

2:27:51justice already talked about. Next

2:27:53slide, please.

2:27:55Under our proposed agreement with the

2:27:58city, Love City Pickle Ball will invest

2:28:01approximately 500,000

2:28:03in private funds to transform Pipkin

2:28:06Building into a premier affordable

2:28:08indoor pickle ball facility. The city

2:28:11will continue to be responsible for the

2:28:13building and its major systems including

2:28:16HVAC, plumbing, electrical, and roofing.

2:28:20assist assistant assistantly

2:28:23sorry about that word responsibility in

2:28:26its today as it it is today city will

2:28:29assume responsibility for the monthly

2:28:32electric bill currently averaging 3,300

2:28:36per per month as well as building

2:28:38security and regular general

2:28:40maintenance. Next slide please.

2:28:43We do expect the business to be

2:28:45profitable in the long term, but our

2:28:48goal is to keep membership and playing

2:28:50costs as low as possible so the club can

2:28:53remain affordable and accessible. And if

2:28:56the business is successful, the city

2:28:59will share that success. After we

2:29:02recover our initial investment, 50% of

2:29:05the profits will be shared with the

2:29:07city. We will attract people and

2:29:11activity at Liberty Park for 364 days a

2:29:14year from 8:00 a.m. to 900 p.m. The

2:29:18Pipkin building will go from an

2:29:20underutilized city asset to a place that

2:29:23is alive with people playing,

2:29:26exercising, connecting, and building

2:29:29community. We have had several people

2:29:31from out of out of town to visit our

2:29:34club and we believe will increase due to

2:29:37the location of the Pipkin building.

2:29:39Bluff City Pickle Ball will work closely

2:29:42with local nonprofits to bring free

2:29:44programming to young people through

2:29:47scholarship, summer camps, and supervise

2:29:50free open play.

2:29:53Next slide, please. Okay. We believe

2:29:56this is a great opportunity for Bluff

2:29:58City pickle ball. a great opportunity

2:30:00for Liberty Park and most importantly

2:30:03for the people of Memphis. Thank you.

2:30:05And I do have Julie, our project

2:30:07manager, and then Paul, our operations,

2:30:10here to answer any questions.

2:30:12>> Thank you very much for that

2:30:14presentation.

2:30:15We have a number of people in line. Let

2:30:18the record show Councilwoman Logan has

2:30:20joined us. And uh first in line is

2:30:24Councilwoman Cooper Sutton. You have the

2:30:26floor.

2:30:28Okay, I think they have answered some of

2:30:31the questions that I had in concern, but

2:30:33we also

2:30:35have and I think the Memphis Roller

2:30:37Derby is also in that building. And so I

2:30:41wanted to know what's going to happen

2:30:44with them. And I think Smiley,

2:30:47Councilman Smiley may have opposed that

2:30:49question that I think that we were uh

2:30:53going to get to it. And so that's my

2:30:55question. what's going to happen to them

2:30:59and do we have some place for them to

2:31:01go?

2:31:02>> Yeah. So, that's what we just talked

2:31:03about with the Memphis Sports and Event

2:31:04Center. Um, so I'm hopeful in the coming

2:31:07days that they'll have a essentially an

2:31:09a rental agreement signed similar to

2:31:11what they already had with the building

2:31:13at Pipkin. So, that's the direction

2:31:16we're headed.

2:31:18>> Okay.

2:31:20And what building will that be? The

2:31:21Pipkin building.

2:31:23>> Memphis Sports and Event Center. Oh, so

2:31:24you're going to take them over there to

2:31:25Memphis Sports and Event Center where

2:31:27you've pushed everybody else over into.

2:31:30>> So, there's several events that are

2:31:32operating there throughout the year.

2:31:34It's one of the premier facilities in in

2:31:36the US.

2:31:39>> Okay.

2:31:42All right. Um, I yield.

2:31:44>> Thank you, Councilwoman. Okay. Council

2:31:48Chairwoman Swton Washington, you are up.

2:31:51them moving into the building, how does

2:31:53that affect the um tourism development

2:31:56zone?

2:31:58>> So, in in essence, uh it can actually

2:32:01positively uh affect the tourism

2:32:03development zone in in particular

2:32:05because of the point of sale systems

2:32:06that would be located within uh Liberty

2:32:08Park. And so, when we think about TDZ,

2:32:11and that's just the acronym, um it it

2:32:13focuses on Broad Avenue corridor as well

2:32:16as Overton Square and Liberty Park. and

2:32:18and I think there's a couple others as

2:32:20well, but certainly having a point of

2:32:22sale system within Liberty Park uh will

2:32:25will really uh help the city.

2:32:28>> Um, someone had a concern about it being

2:32:31a qualified public use facility and that

2:32:34it would jeopardize city funding. Is

2:32:36that possible?

2:32:37>> No. Uh, it's it's no different than

2:32:39lease agreements we have with with other

2:32:41organizations throughout the city.

2:32:42>> Um,

2:32:44>> how much money were we getting initially

2:32:46from the PIP building? So on average

2:32:48about 38,000 a year. Um and then on the

2:32:52utility side it can average anywhere

2:32:54from from 3940,000 up to 50,000 just

2:32:57depending upon year

2:32:58>> we've actually been losing.

2:33:00>> Yes.

2:33:00>> Yes.

2:33:01>> So how much will we be able to get now?

2:33:03What's the potential now?

2:33:04>> So essentially what we're looking at on

2:33:05the rent side, so year one they're going

2:33:07to make the $500,000 investment into the

2:33:10facility. And so those are leaseold

2:33:11improvements throughout signage etc. Um,

2:33:14and then year two and beyond, we're

2:33:16looking at roughly about 47,000 a year

2:33:19in in rent. So, just a little bit under

2:33:214,000 a month. And then on the flip side

2:33:23of it, on the utility side, uh, I just

2:33:25talked about that number. So, you know,

2:33:27if you're combining the two, um, on

2:33:29average, uh, closer to 7,000 a month

2:33:32that would be coming in. And so, um,

2:33:35that's one of the reasons why we were

2:33:37looking at this opportunity to activate

2:33:38the space, but then also why we were

2:33:40wanted to make sure that we, uh, were

2:33:42accommodating our existing user groups

2:33:44next door.

2:33:45>> Okay. Thank you.

2:33:47>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um,

2:33:50so, Councilwoman Easter Thomas, you have

2:33:52the four.

2:33:55>> Thank you, chair. Um, I have a I have a

2:33:58question for parks and then a question

2:34:00for um our guest with B City. um is just

2:34:03from my knowledge like when we do our

2:34:05other lease agreements like for

2:34:06community centers and such is seven

2:34:08years the standard number that we start

2:34:10with or does it vary or is it ever like

2:34:13year to year or

2:34:14>> not necessarily I think it depends on

2:34:16the investment in this particular case

2:34:17due to the the amount of investment from

2:34:20the side of of Bluff City. Uh we wanted

2:34:23to make sure that we're we're able to

2:34:25protect this investment but also there's

2:34:26an opportunity for each side to

2:34:28evaluate. So, as in standard within our

2:34:30contracts, uh either organization could

2:34:33decide that, hey, this isn't necessarily

2:34:34working. But on the other side of it,

2:34:36the 7-year uh agreement does give Bluff

2:34:39City the opportunity to grow programs

2:34:41within Liberty Park, accommodating all

2:34:43of our youth, adults, and seniors that

2:34:45we work with in the Memphis parks, but

2:34:47then also there is that option for a

2:34:48seven-year renewal. We have other

2:34:50contracts with other entities, uh the

2:34:52Memphis Zoo that are much, much longer.

2:34:55And so, that was one of the reasons why,

2:34:56>> well, we know the zoo and pickle ball I

2:34:58mean I can just you know I can go down

2:35:00the [laughter] list. I mean so to to

2:35:02answer your question it

2:35:03>> okay so like so community so like big

2:35:06community center has oasis of hope in it

2:35:08and other random community centers on

2:35:10average. What are those year terms that

2:35:13we do leases for those nonprofits and

2:35:15>> so that location is a is a 5year lease

2:35:17agreement with with an option.

2:35:18>> So around that range is is typical.

2:35:20>> Yeah. So it's it's pretty similar.

2:35:22>> Okay. That's what I was trying to get

2:35:23at. Um, and then also to our friends at

2:35:26Bluff City Pickle Ball, um, you said

2:35:29that after your $500,000 threshold is

2:35:33made from your investment that the city

2:35:35would then be receiving 50%.

2:35:38Is that incind or is that cash?

2:35:42>> So, it's it's net profits.

2:35:44>> Cash.

2:35:45>> Yep. Cash.

2:35:46>> Yes. I mean, essentially it you've got

2:35:48the expenses and revenue. So if those

2:35:51revenues are are rising above the

2:35:53expenses then

2:35:54>> and that's on top of rent.

2:35:56>> On top of the rent and the utilities.

2:35:58>> So can I ask why?

2:36:04>> Yeah, that's exactly what I'm asking.

2:36:05Why are you doing 50? I've never heard

2:36:07that up here. So I'm just trying to get

2:36:08a reason. And

2:36:09>> yeah, I I'll just I'll just speak to um

2:36:13Bluff City Pickleball. When they

2:36:14approached us, there were a couple

2:36:16things that were attractive about

2:36:17Memphis in general. Number one, um,

2:36:20Bluff City Pickle Ball has experience in

2:36:22>> No, no, hold on. Not the Y from you, the

2:36:24Y from Bluff City. So, is it because you

2:36:27we asked for it or is it because they're

2:36:29giving it? Is this an altruistic

2:36:30project? I'm just trying to learn more

2:36:32about Bluff City pickle ball. That's all

2:36:34>> I think that

2:36:35>> not in a negative tone. I'm just asking

2:36:37why you sharing 50% of profit with the

2:36:38city. I just want to know. I think what

2:36:41we should be saying is thank you, but

2:36:42what you know and could you explain I

2:36:46think it they're one tries to show

2:36:47they're good citizens but I think that's

2:36:49it.

2:36:50>> So that's a very very valid question. Um

2:36:53my husband and I we're a very unique

2:36:56couple because

2:36:58>> he is a heart transplant recipient and

2:37:00I'm a breast cancer survivor. And so

2:37:02instead of us buying a home or a you

2:37:06know a boat or whatever, we want to give

2:37:08back to the community. And this is

2:37:10something we have been wanting to do.

2:37:12When we originally opened, we wanted to

2:37:14be in the Midtown downtown area, but we

2:37:17couldn't find any location. So, when we

2:37:20were approached about the location where

2:37:23we were, it's great, but we're running

2:37:25out of space. So, we needed more, you

2:37:28know, space. And so, that was something

2:37:30John and I said we wanted to do to give

2:37:32back to the city. We're we're dedicated.

2:37:34even though we're not from here, we've

2:37:36been here 25 years, but this is

2:37:38something we wanted to do for the city.

2:37:39>> And I'm asking because we don't see this

2:37:41typically. So, you know, if there's if

2:37:44there's something that helps us

2:37:46understand how we can encourage others

2:37:49to give

2:37:50>> just John and happy we we're big on

2:37:54philanthropy, so that's great.

2:37:56>> So, whatever we can do to help others,

2:37:58but that's just something John and

2:38:00Leslie Daniel wanted to do for the city

2:38:01of Memphis.

2:38:02>> That's great. So I have a question. Um

2:38:06>> just to further emphasize uh the ad hoc

2:38:09committee that I have a question.

2:38:11[laughter]

2:38:12I'm sorry. I just want to um I know I

2:38:14know you added on to it. It it I promise

2:38:16it sounds great. I'm just asking

2:38:18logistical questions. So, let's say if

2:38:21the pickle ball doesn't if this location

2:38:24doesn't do as well as anticipated, is

2:38:27there room in y'all's agreement to where

2:38:31if you if you're saying doing the 50%

2:38:33give back isn't feasible or economical

2:38:37that

2:38:40that gets adjusted and you are still

2:38:42able to stay afloat? I'm just asking, is

2:38:45that a part of the lease agreement? Is

2:38:46it 50% a part of the lease agreement or

2:38:48is that just something that's a gift?

2:38:50>> Point of information. Uh I think that

2:38:53what they're saying is only when they

2:38:55make a profit

2:38:56>> do we get 50%. Yes.

2:38:58>> So until they're making a profit there's

2:39:00not an issue.

2:39:01>> So they got to do it enough to be

2:39:03profitable. Yes.

2:39:04>> First couple years maybe not.

2:39:06>> But my question is

2:39:08[laughter]

2:39:10>> my question is you somebody got it's too

2:39:14much talking to to hear what I'm saying.

2:39:16My question is, is that built into the

2:39:18lease agreement? Because I would hate

2:39:20for it to be included in a lease

2:39:24agreement and then it's bound to and

2:39:26then it begins not to be profitable for

2:39:28the company because it was included as a

2:39:31>> Yes, ma'am. Yes. It's not just

2:39:35>> Council Miss I hear you. It's okay.

2:39:37>> They're sharing profits if they're if

2:39:40they're doing well and if they're not

2:39:42>> if they're not then [clears throat] we

2:39:43get nothing.

2:39:44Okay. Because they said

2:39:46>> we receive the rent and they pay the

2:39:48utilities.

2:39:49>> Okay.

2:39:49>> Yes.

2:39:50>> I'm just asking questions because we

2:39:52when we are brought with lease

2:39:54agreements. I'm just trying to get an

2:39:55understanding.

2:39:56>> So that's something that we we've tried

2:39:57to start doing differently from the ad

2:39:59hoc committee when we do our leases. So,

2:40:03uh, Councilwoman Cooper Sudden, that was

2:40:05one of the things that we really wanted

2:40:06to look at across the board, how we get

2:40:08a rev share, uh, from those that come in

2:40:11and get spaces from us and

2:40:13>> make a profit off of the city. How do we

2:40:16in turn get some of that back typically

2:40:18um, Justice goes, Director Balden will

2:40:22go to the board at with a percentage in

2:40:25mind for lease agreements.

2:40:27>> I'm just trying to get a clear

2:40:28understanding. Thank you for my

2:40:30colleagues letting me ask questions.

2:40:31Thank you.

2:40:32>> You're very welcome. Um,

2:40:35>> community benefit. Community benefit.

2:40:37>> Okay. Next in the queue is Councilwoman

2:40:40Logan.

2:40:41>> Thank you, Chair,

2:40:43>> Councilwoman White, and let the record

2:40:45show Councilman Spinosa has joined us.

2:40:47Thank you.

2:40:49>> I just like to say thank you all for

2:40:51this and I really appreciate um us

2:40:55reaching out and working this out and um

2:40:58making sure y'all work on the numbers

2:41:00and get everything right. But I'm just

2:41:02glad to have an opportunity another an

2:41:04additional opportunity in our city for

2:41:06young people for our elderlys to do to

2:41:08go. I remember growing up we had Liberty

2:41:10Land. We had so many different things

2:41:12and this is another option. and it's

2:41:14very um trending and popular and I was

2:41:17there and you all have a lovely facility

2:41:19we use my daughter had a had fun my

2:41:22husband and I um so it's an opportunity

2:41:25and we want to maximize this opportunity

2:41:27and get people involved and share that

2:41:30it's another um place that we can go

2:41:32another space that our youth can use and

2:41:35families can go to and churches and

2:41:37everyone so I appreciate you and your

2:41:39husband's um uh generosity and love for

2:41:42the city we look forward to this and

2:41:45hope and we are all pulling that it's

2:41:47successful and we're going to help um

2:41:49you know spread the news that you're

2:41:51there. So y'all work out all of the

2:41:53details and make sure it makes sense and

2:41:56let's get it going. Let's get some

2:41:57pickle ball going. Thank you once again.

2:41:59I appreciate you.

2:42:00>> Thank you Councilwoman. We have

2:42:02Councilwoman White followed by Cooper

2:42:04Sutton to end us up and I'll make a

2:42:06comment at the end. Councilwoman White,

2:42:08>> thank you so much. Um Chairwoman asked

2:42:11the right question. I think when we

2:42:12start talking about this TDZ, the reason

2:42:15that it's a TDZ, it's tourism

2:42:16development zone, is so that we're able

2:42:18to attract people to that area, but also

2:42:21be able to accumulate sales taxes over

2:42:24the amount that's we need in order to

2:42:27meet the debt service over there. Um,

2:42:29such that we can put it back for

2:42:31infrastructure. That's the whole purpose

2:42:33of it. So, when we start talking about

2:42:35the types of activities that we want

2:42:37over there, pickle ball is it. I am very

2:42:40excited about this. Um, I remember, you

2:42:42know, it was a big to-do about whether

2:42:44we should have baseball or pickle ball a

2:42:47couple of weeks ago, a couple of months

2:42:49ago. So, that lets you know how uh

2:42:53[laughter]

2:42:54but that lets you know how thriving and

2:42:57uh fastm moving this particular area is.

2:43:00People love pickle ball. Um, and and

2:43:02I've enjoyed it actually. It's a lot

2:43:04less taxing than tennis. Um, so I am

2:43:08completely supportive of um this being

2:43:11pickle ball. The only thing I would say

2:43:13is is that I would like um

2:43:16>> Oh yeah, Mr. Pickle Ball joined us.

2:43:19>> Mr. Pickle Ball.

2:43:20>> And so um

2:43:21>> get away without asking questions.

2:43:24[laughter]

2:43:26>> And so but but what I would like though

2:43:28is um I know Councilwoman Logan said

2:43:30y'all get the details together and get

2:43:32back with us. I actually would like to

2:43:33see the lease. Um, and I do kind of and

2:43:36I would like more um I would like to see

2:43:38the lease. I would also like to

2:43:40understand what the base rent is going

2:43:42to be. Um, and um, just kind of like

2:43:46what those numbers look like in terms of

2:43:47just a sideby-side comparison of what it

2:43:50it's generating now, what it's

2:43:51anticipated to generate. The other thing

2:43:53I wanted to know is that um, we have a

2:43:58portion in there for major repairs. Have

2:43:59we had any type of assessment done on

2:44:01this building to know what our potential

2:44:03exposure is in that area of major

2:44:06repairs?

2:44:07>> Yes. So, we've assessed the building and

2:44:08it's it's similar to all our city

2:44:10buildings. I mean, we we've got to

2:44:11maintain the roof, the building systems,

2:44:13the plumbing, the electrical fixtures,

2:44:15etc. So, um there have been um

2:44:17improvements made to the building,

2:44:19including the uh fire suppression

2:44:20systems and and whatnot. And there's

2:44:23been previous renovations. So, yes. And

2:44:25then the last thing is, which this just

2:44:28probably is just going to be just a

2:44:29little simple change, is that it's a

2:44:31renewal provision. And I just want to

2:44:32make sure that when I'm not here, it

2:44:34doesn't bypass council because the way

2:44:36that it reads, it's like the mayor may

2:44:38execute any other documents necessary or

2:44:40appropriate. So I just want to make sure

2:44:42that in 14 years or whenever the case

2:44:44may be that it's something that doesn't

2:44:46skip over council and goes to where

2:44:49somebody can just sign off on it. Yes.

2:44:51So maybe we could just do any renewal,

2:44:53extension, material amendment, um, or

2:44:56change in control shall require prior

2:44:58approval of the Memphis City Council.

2:45:00>> Yeah. What we're seeking right now is a

2:45:037-year lease agreement with a seven-year

2:45:05renewals. Anything past that would would

2:45:07have to come back.

2:45:09>> I'm just telling you the way that I read

2:45:11it. So, I'm just saying that make that

2:45:12language would make me feel better.

2:45:14>> And and I know you all have spoken to

2:45:16the lease. I just want a copy of the

2:45:17lease. Okay.

2:45:18>> Okay. Thank you.

2:45:20Thank you, Councilwoman White.

2:45:22Councilwoman Cooper Sutton.

2:45:25>> Thank you.

2:45:25>> Take us home.

2:45:26>> Thank you. I'll take us on home. I'm

2:45:28excited that you all are coming. I am a

2:45:29pickle ball player, but also I'm excited

2:45:32for um roller derby being able to get a

2:45:35contract. These are young people that

2:45:37are out here and so they're going to

2:45:38stay out of want to make sure they keep

2:45:40something positive, keep something going

2:45:42and um and make sure that we have a

2:45:44place for them as well to proceed and to

2:45:47continue enjoying one another and doing

2:45:49positive things.

2:45:52That's why I had the ad hoc committee

2:45:54and so those things that that's why we

2:45:56did the ad hoc committee and they shot

2:45:59it down because of certain things. And

2:46:02now, attorney councilwoman

2:46:05um White is asking those questions that

2:46:09we had the ad hoc committee. And in

2:46:12honor of

2:46:14Kent, [snorts]

2:46:15who's no longer here with us, he'll be

2:46:17proud to hear your questions that you're

2:46:19asking.

2:46:20Yeah, Joe is not any longer in and so he

2:46:24was part of this ad hoc committee and he

2:46:26was really concerned about the contract

2:46:29and I was too. And so these are things

2:46:31that you all can go back and look into

2:46:34and to make sure that what councilwoman

2:46:37and myself and the committee, the ad hoc

2:46:39committee was concerned about um we

2:46:42adhere to those things that is under

2:46:44your preview that you have control over.

2:46:47So thank you. Um you know I want to see

2:46:50the contract. So she took my you know I

2:46:51want to look at the contract. I want to

2:46:53see it. I am a contract reader now

2:46:55because of that ad hoc committee and

2:46:57certain things that we look for and want

2:46:58to make sure that we that the city is

2:46:59protected and that the council that it

2:47:01comes before the council as well. Thank

2:47:04you.

2:47:04>> Thank you.

2:47:05>> Thank you chairman.

2:47:06>> You're very welcome. I think we have one

2:47:08quick comment from Councilman Smiley

2:47:11then we'll move to a vote on this and

2:47:13I'll have a comment before the Go ahead

2:47:15Council.

2:47:20>> It's okay. I'm I'm really bad at tennis

2:47:23and pickle ball.

2:47:24>> It's okay. You can come to

2:47:25>> uh that's not my lane. So,

2:47:28if I'm not on a basketball court in the

2:47:30courtroom, be struggling. Uh but so I'm

2:47:33I'm looking forward to that. I hope that

2:47:35happens. But I don't want to take focus

2:47:37off the folks who are displaced. So, I'm

2:47:40let you know what I'm going to do. I'm a

2:47:41straight shooter. So, you say in the

2:47:44next um few days we're gonna have

2:47:46something. This is not going down with

2:47:48same nine minutes. So in the next by the

2:47:51next council meeting if uh we not have

2:47:54we don't have anything in place I'm move

2:47:56like we can't once we displace people we

2:47:58got to try to find a way for them to be

2:48:01um adequately taken care of. I know

2:48:03Council Warren's probably going to

2:48:04mention um at a similar cost.

2:48:07>> That's fair.

2:48:08>> Okay. All right. Uh good luck. I will

2:48:11not get back on the pickle ball court

2:48:12with you or the tennis court with

2:48:14Councilwoman Cooper.

2:48:16>> All right. Thank you council members.

2:48:18Um, let's just make sure when you come

2:48:21back next week for our final vote, these

2:48:24displaced people that are sitting here

2:48:26have the same deal that they had so they

2:48:29can afford it. Okay? And you know, there

2:48:32may be something you guys can do if

2:48:33there's something that they they need.

2:48:36Uh, think about that. Okay? All right.

2:48:38So, all those in favor of this motion,

2:48:40please say I.

2:48:42>> Any opposed? It's the opinion of the

2:48:45chair that passes. And without further

2:48:48though, I would like to say that

2:48:50Councilman

2:48:52uh Carile was here, but he left. And and

2:48:55now uh I think we can be adjourned.

3:40:28council

3:40:42district sponsored by the Memphis City

3:40:43Council. There's a request for same

3:40:44night minutes. I heard a second. Who had

3:40:46the first there? Councilman Ford with

3:40:48the first. Councilman Sposza with the

3:40:50second. Colleagues, any questions?

3:40:52Seeing none, this goes down with a

3:40:53positive. Oh, all those in favor signify

3:40:55by saying I.

3:40:56>> Any oppose? same rights and objections.

3:40:58Seeing none, this goes down with a

3:40:59favorable recommendation tonight with

3:41:00same night minutes. Any other business

3:41:03for this body? I've got one thing as we

3:41:04do get in the data center conversation

3:41:06just to give everyone a heads up. I know

3:41:08that we're supposed to have it this

3:41:10afternoon. We'll see what happens. I've

3:41:12been on the phone today as a member of

3:41:13the Tasser body um with the executive

3:41:16director Cliff Liippard to see if and

3:41:19when they could stack in a study and

3:41:21what that's looking like. It's an

3:41:22ongoing dialogue. It's not to train

3:41:23wreck this discussion. I just wanted to

3:41:25disclose that. And then and hopefully,

3:41:27you know, hopefully they will, you know,

3:41:28it's going all over the state. And then

3:41:30second to that, um I've asked Art Davis,

3:41:32I called him about 10 days ago and asked

3:41:34him to begin a financial analysis with

3:41:37the city just to understand that

3:41:39picture. Um and probably depending on

3:41:41what that looks like, if it's depending

3:41:44on how robust the analysis is, we will

3:41:47have some form of a discussion in the

3:41:49next meeting, no matter what happens

3:41:51today, just so that we can have

3:41:54at least where my area is, I can bring

3:41:56information to help everybody continue

3:41:59to make a more informed decision, right?

3:42:01Like we've spent we will and we should

3:42:03spend time talking about air pollution

3:42:04and land use and economic developments

3:42:06and all the external factors

3:42:09to sit here and not talk about the

3:42:11financial impacts of the city and then

3:42:12and then have it overtrodden by the

3:42:14profits over people moniker is difficult

3:42:16because it just distracts from getting

3:42:18like underneath. It's like we we

3:42:19acknowledge that but now we still have a

3:42:21job to go do like we still have to fix

3:42:23roads and and pay for that and we still

3:42:25have to do those things. So and I know

3:42:26this body understands that. I'm just

3:42:27saying it from my perspective and I

3:42:29wanted you guys to know what I'm working

3:42:30on and trying to get done for us so that

3:42:32you guys have more information as this

3:42:34thing progresses. So, um hopefully we'll

3:42:36have some of that work done and again

3:42:38I've asked the city to do it because

3:42:39there are a lot of outside agencies and

3:42:40so just as a heads up. So that's I just

3:42:43wanted to just let everybody know that

3:42:44that's hopefully coming um sooner rather

3:42:46than later. If I get anything before

3:42:47that we'll we'll send it out. But um

3:42:50that's it for me. Anything else from

3:42:51anybody? I'm headed to Nashville

3:42:54tonight. My niece celebrated her 13th

3:42:56birthday. Pretty incredible.

3:42:58>> Yes. Uh pretty amazing. And then we got

3:43:00Yes, we've got Tasser is seated

3:43:02tomorrow. So, I'm going to talk with

3:43:03Representative Parkinson and some other

3:43:05members. Um but we seat tomorrow and

3:43:07members can make a motion from the

3:43:09floor, but it's still like any other

3:43:11body. We've got to have this tasker is

3:43:14the the question was what's task? I love

3:43:15that. It's fair. It's very fair

3:43:16question. It's a super awesome acronym

3:43:18for awesome people. Uh it is the

3:43:20Tennessee Ad Yeah, I don't know how I

3:43:23got on. Uh it's the Tennessee Advisory

3:43:24Commission on Intergovernmental

3:43:26Relations. Honestly, what they are is a

3:43:28group of doctors and doctors doctorate

3:43:29students and very smart people that on

3:43:32behalf of the state of Tennessee study

3:43:35uh any issue brought before them by a

3:43:36member of the body or the legislature.

3:43:38So the impacts of broadband, the loss of

3:43:41the fuel tax and the need to upgrade the

3:43:43electric system. And so like a question

3:43:46would come before them like this like

3:43:48simply what is the impact of data

3:43:49centers and AI on the state of

3:43:50Tennessee? And it's like okay that's the

3:43:52broad question. what are the 10 or 15

3:43:53things they want to know? What are the

3:43:54external factors? What are the economic

3:43:55impacts? What are the zoning? And like

3:43:57they'll come back and say, you know,

3:43:59what are being what's being done in

3:44:00Virginia? What's being done here? I

3:44:02mean, they are, if you've never gotten

3:44:03on Tasser's website, they're the ones

3:44:06that produce the report. When somebody

3:44:07says the school system has a half a

3:44:08billion dollars in deferred maintenance,

3:44:10you're like, I don't believe that

3:44:10report. Like, they're they produce that

3:44:12report. It's not our school system. And

3:44:14so then they do it for the whole state.

3:44:16When you want to go see, we had to

3:44:17study. I'll be quiet. I didn't say it is

3:44:19neat. It's boring and it's neat. It's

3:44:21neat because you're realizing at times

3:44:23like how screwed we're getting. Like

3:44:24when you go look at the trailing five

3:44:26years on population date data for the

3:44:30state of Tennessee by county and by

3:44:31municipality and then you look at that

3:44:33on a per capita basis for grant dollars

3:44:35out of the state. We are getting

3:44:37absolutely hosed dollar. Yeah.

3:44:39Absolutely. On like dollars per capita

3:44:41in state block grants like so Tasser is

3:44:44the one that is putting that report out.

3:44:45They are a I want to repeat this. The

3:44:47commission has appointed in statutory

3:44:49members, but the tasker itself, the the

3:44:52individuals producing these reports are

3:44:54all PhDs and graduate students that are

3:44:57heavy research just out there like doing

3:45:00the work, just trying to answer the

3:45:01questions in a fair, honest scientific

3:45:03way. Very, very neat group of people

3:45:05producing a lot of good work. I'm

3:45:07hopeful. And I was surprised when I when

3:45:09I asked the executive director, had

3:45:11anybody called given what's going on in

3:45:13Metro Nashville where they took it on as

3:45:14a zoning text amendment or McMin County

3:45:16where it's I think an outright moratorum

3:45:18and the answer was no, not really. I was

3:45:20I was kind of floored by that. Now that

3:45:22doesn't mean that a member of the

3:45:23legislature won't come this this next

3:45:25general assembly and ask for that. I I

3:45:26would be surprised if they don't study

3:45:28it in some way, some form. My biggest

3:45:30fear for us is that that in in in 5 10

3:45:33years or sooner eventually tech is going

3:45:36to be treated in this regard like we

3:45:37treated utilities, railroads and

3:45:39telecoms and they're going to get

3:45:40imminent domain and they're going to

3:45:41force their way in. And it's like okay,

3:45:43how do we beat them to that and massage

3:45:45that situation and those are like my

3:45:47internal thoughts. I'm not the person to

3:45:49pull all that off. We've got our job to

3:45:51do here. So anyway, I'm going to be

3:45:54quiet, get us on with our day. I'm going

3:45:55to hopefully bring some of that

3:45:56information back. My real hope is that

3:45:58Tasser will take it up and study it on

3:46:00behalf of of the state. Um, but we've

3:46:02got things that we probably need to do

3:46:04in the near term that we can, you know,

3:46:05we can deal with. But I want us to make

3:46:07whatever

4:05:36Councilwoman

4:05:43Walker.

4:05:44>> Councilman Dr. Warren

4:05:50>> and I'm here.

4:05:51>> Yes.

4:05:51>> Yeah. Thank you, Gia. Yeah, we're right

4:05:52here. Um, all right. Item number one on

4:05:55the agenda. Uh, I see Director Ragazel

4:05:57just got here. Uh, it's SUP 2026-014.

4:06:03This is in district 5, super district 9,

4:06:05sponsored by the administration.

4:06:08Director Ragdell.

4:06:12>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr.

4:06:13Chairman. Brett Ragdale with the

4:06:14Division of Play and Development. Uh,

4:06:15yes, this is an SU for a car wash on

4:06:18Summer Avenue at

4:06:222451, I believe it is, in your district.

4:06:25And so, um, DPD did recommend rejection.

4:06:29However, Lane Control Board recommended

4:06:30approval. And so uh we can present it if

4:06:33you'd like or

4:06:34>> Thank you.

4:06:36>> Thank you, Director Ragsdale. So the

4:06:38applicants here and here's what I'll

4:06:40recommend without objection. I'll

4:06:41recommend this go downstairs with a

4:06:43positive recommendation and then y'all

4:06:45be have everybody present to and

4:06:48prepared to vote in two weeks.

4:06:51Councilman Canali.

4:06:53>> All right, he's good. So no objection to

4:06:55that. All right, good deal. Thank you.

4:06:58That's it for item number one. Item

4:06:59number two,

4:07:02PD 2026-004.

4:07:04This is

4:07:08>> right. We and we had spoke spoken

4:07:10earlier. So,

4:07:12>> we're done. We're on we're on to item

4:07:13number two. PD2026-004

4:07:16District 3. And thank you. Super

4:07:18District 8. This is sponsored by the

4:07:20administration.

4:07:22Director Ragdale.

4:07:26>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes. And I

4:07:27think we did recommend a rejection on

4:07:29this and lane control board did as well.

4:07:32So we will do a brief presentation and

4:07:34answer any questions you might have.

4:07:37>> And let's do this. Let let's keep it

4:07:40brief. This is in Councilwoman Walker's

4:07:42district. Um you know, we've stated this

4:07:45before, but this year we started a new

4:07:46process to where we're trying to limit

4:07:49>> the amount of presentations. It's

4:07:50already pres been presented multiple

4:07:52times. We've seen this multiple times.

4:07:53It's been in our email inboxes. So, um,

4:07:56I appreciate y'all being here, but let's

4:07:58keep it brief and we're going to move it

4:08:00downstairs in two weeks with either a

4:08:02positive or no recommendation or

4:08:04negative recommendation, and we can

4:08:06always present it again in two weeks,

4:08:07right?

4:08:08>> Let's try to keep it brief. Thank you.

4:08:10>> Okay.

4:08:10>> Um, this is Nabanita Nero with DBD uh

4:08:14presenting the case uh PD 2026-004.

4:08:20Uh it's uh the property is located uh

4:08:22northwest intersection of East Homes

4:08:25Road and Tula Homer Road.

4:08:31Um the property is currently zone RU3

4:08:34and CMU 2. Um

4:08:38um and

4:08:40as you can see um the applicant is

4:08:43proposing to have residential,

4:08:46commercial and truck stop in that

4:08:48location. Um

4:08:51the residential and commercial uh these

4:08:54are currently allowed by right. The DPD

4:08:57is recommending rejection

4:09:00uh on the truck stop and uh land use

4:09:02control board also recommended the

4:09:03rejection on this. Happy to answer any

4:09:07question.

4:09:14>> Yeah. Thank you. Uh Councilwoman Walker,

4:09:16this is in your district.

4:09:19any comments?

4:09:19>> Thank you for that and thank you all for

4:09:21coming today. So, um members, the first

4:09:24thing I want to bring to your attention

4:09:26is this

4:09:30this um the lower right hand corner at

4:09:34the um intersection of Chiloma and Homes

4:09:37Road. That's Amazon, the Amazon

4:09:39warehouse. So, it is um quite a bit of

4:09:43traffic there. That's one of my

4:09:45concerns. Um, I do support this in that

4:09:49there has been some back and forth to

4:09:52community meetings and this is not the

4:09:54original plan. The original plan

4:09:56actually included a warehouse. Um,

4:10:02I am concerned about this long narrow

4:10:05street of houses. It just looks weird

4:10:08just being there by itself because

4:10:11there's some woods on both sides. But

4:10:13there's residential that's not on this

4:10:15page. Um, this is the same general area,

4:10:17Zodiac, United Housing, um, the Chevy

4:10:21Rail Yacht up around the corner, and

4:10:23just some other things. But this is just

4:10:25still this general area. Um, Jason Pit

4:10:28is just to the north of here. So, I like

4:10:32what they did to improve the plan.

4:10:37Um, this last page, these um, potential

4:10:41tenants is very impressive. I'm just

4:10:44wondering what will if they don't get

4:10:48the tenants that they want to, but I

4:10:50believe they can because this is also

4:10:52really close to state line. Um, and it's

4:10:55one of the main thorough affairs coming

4:10:59from the south to the north outside of

4:11:02the interstate. This is one of the main

4:11:04theares coming into Memphis um from

4:11:08South Haven. So, I would just hope that

4:11:11they would be able to get these types of

4:11:14businesses in this space should they be

4:11:16approved. Thank you and I yield the

4:11:19floor.

4:11:20>> All right. Thank you, Councilwoman. Any

4:11:22other council members wish to speak on

4:11:23this?

4:11:24>> Councilwoman Cooper Sutton.

4:11:27>> Um, my Thank you, uh, Chair, and thank

4:11:29you for this presentation. This has

4:11:32already been rejected. Is this the first

4:11:33time you are rejected? This the second

4:11:35time?

4:11:37>> This is the first Okay, this is this is

4:11:39another one that I was looking at. Okay.

4:11:41Um, have you all met with the community?

4:11:44>> Are you the applicant that you meeting?

4:11:47Yes.

4:11:48>> Okay.

4:11:48>> Yes, ma'am.

4:11:49>> I was talking and Councilwoman Walker,

4:11:50are you in support of this?

4:11:52>> I'm in support of it, but I wanted to

4:11:55hear your cons. What was your main

4:11:57concern?

4:11:58>> Your concerns. Yeah.

4:11:59>> Uh, yes. Brett Ragdale with DPD. So,

4:12:02this is the first time we're seeing some

4:12:04of these renderings and discussions. Uh

4:12:06it says sea store here which uh it looks

4:12:09like they've eliminated the tractor

4:12:12trailer fueling. Is that correct?

4:12:14>> In this in this plan,

4:12:17>> our main concern was the truck stop

4:12:19aspect of this at the corner, which

4:12:20would be the tractor trailer fueling and

4:12:22the traffic. So this is the first time

4:12:25we're seeing this. It does show several

4:12:27tractor trailers on site, but it does

4:12:29not seem to show the fueling station for

4:12:32those. So that is still in the proposed

4:12:37use. So I think that there's some

4:12:38confusion um potentially on what is

4:12:42being proposed because

4:12:44>> and what's being Yeah.

4:12:45>> All right. So I'm going to I'm going to

4:12:46I'll do this.

4:12:47>> Um

4:12:48Councilwoman Walker,

4:12:50>> we're just seeing this map today.

4:12:52>> Yeah.

4:12:53>> Well, the first time we're seeing it, I

4:12:54think I'm not sure.

4:12:56>> Right. Right. And so I'm I'm a little

4:12:58disappointed to hear that. I mean, one

4:12:59of the things that we've tried to do in

4:13:01this committee is not have this type of

4:13:02stuff happen before it comes to us and

4:13:04put on the agenda. So, I'm just going to

4:13:06hold this if you're okay with that,

4:13:08Councilwoman Walker.

4:13:09>> Yes.

4:13:09>> You okay with that?

4:13:10>> Yes.

4:13:11>> Okay. I want to be respectful of her and

4:13:13each council member when it's in your

4:13:15district, literally in your backyard

4:13:16sometime. So, we're going to hold item

4:13:18number two for two weeks and we'll hear

4:13:20it again in committee.

4:13:25the diesel gas.

4:13:29>> It Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, real quick. So,

4:13:31we're going to hold this for two weeks

4:13:33to be heard again. Excuse me. Excuse me.

4:13:36>> Two weeks.

4:13:36>> October the 6th.

4:13:37>> Okay.

4:13:38>> Three weeks.

4:13:38>> Three weeks.

4:13:39>> Thank you, Councilman Canali. Yeah, he's

4:13:41really good. The Italians are real good

4:13:42on the calendars. Thank you,

4:13:44>> Counciloman Canal. I'm Italian. Uh,

4:13:46Councilwoman Walker wanted an answer to

4:13:49her question. And Councilwoman Easter

4:13:50Thomas, you're in the queue. I'm just

4:13:51not seeing that. I apologize.

4:13:54Just a quick question I guess can go

4:13:55along when it comes back. I see it's in

4:13:57three areas. I just want to know are all

4:13:59going to be built at the same time or is

4:14:01it phased or

4:14:03>> director Ragdale

4:14:05>> just

4:14:06>> that would be yeah that would be an

4:14:07question for the applicant if they

4:14:09intend to phase it. It's three areas on

4:14:11the plan because it's three different

4:14:12types of uses and as Miss Ner mentioned

4:14:16in area A the residential would be

4:14:18allowed by right so they can do that

4:14:19without an entitlement. Area B is the

4:14:22same thing that's allowed by right and

4:14:24so the only thing that is not is the

4:14:26area C. Now whether or not they build it

4:14:28at the same time that would be something

4:14:29they could ask.

4:14:30>> All right. So we'll get you a firm

4:14:31answer on that.

4:14:31>> Yeah, they can go with that. Just

4:14:32curious.

4:14:33>> All right, cool. Thank you,

4:14:33Councilwoman. Thomas, Councilwoman

4:14:35Walker, you had you wanted one more

4:14:36question answered.

4:14:37>> Yeah, the diesel

4:14:40diesel.

4:14:41>> No, it's still there.

4:14:42>> The diesel is still there.

4:14:43>> Yes. It just needs the canopy needs to

4:14:46be connected and then the pumps just

4:14:48need to identify so it's consistent with

4:14:50this and with that.

4:14:51>> Okay. Thank you.

4:14:52>> Good to see you all over there. I just

4:14:54realized I lowered my floor whenever I

4:14:57>> All right. So item number two is held

4:14:58for three weeks

4:14:59>> and we'll come

4:15:00>> till October the 6th.

4:15:01>> Okay.

4:15:02>> That's it for item two. Uh item number

4:15:05three, SUP 2025-037

4:15:09again at Councilwoman Walker's district,

4:15:10District 3, Super District 8, sponsored

4:15:13by the administration. Uh Councilwoman

4:15:16Walker, you want to make a comment on

4:15:17this or go to the rag? We'll go to Go

4:15:20ahead. Council.

4:15:24>> Yeah.

4:15:25>> Yeah.

4:15:27name and address if you don't mind for

4:15:29the

4:15:33>> All right, Director Ragsdale.

4:15:35>> Yes, thank you. We can give a brief

4:15:36presentation. We did recommend rejection

4:15:38and the lane control board did as well.

4:15:40So, uh, Miss Ostadia can give a brief

4:15:42presentation.

4:15:44>> Good afternoon with DPD. Uh this is

4:15:48located in CMU1 zoning district and

4:15:50based on the CMU1

4:15:52um district allowance when there is a

4:15:54gas station nearby uh we require to uh

4:15:58check the proximity to other gas

4:16:00stations across the street um there is

4:16:04another gas station and also um on the

4:16:08other side of the street um

4:16:10approximately 80 ft uh there's a place

4:16:13of worship and also um there is a resial

4:16:17house in less than 200 ft from this

4:16:19area. Um we believe that uh this is an

4:16:23inconsistent use for the uh neighborhood

4:16:26and also Memphis 3.0 believes this is an

4:16:28inconsistent use. Hence uh we are u

4:16:31rejecting the case. Lu's control board

4:16:33as uh Mr. Ragdale mentioned um confirmed

4:16:37the rejection as well. Um here are some

4:16:40elevation

4:16:42and uh this is the recommendation for

4:16:46the uh conditions if approved. Um that

4:16:50concludes my presentation. Happy to

4:16:51answer any question.

4:16:53>> Thank you

4:16:55Councilwoman Walker.

4:16:58>> Thank you Mr. Chair. So just like with

4:17:01the previous applicant, I have really

4:17:03tried to work with them as well. um

4:17:06where this property is now. Well, the

4:17:09the plan is a considerable ways from

4:17:12where it was at first. And I just don't

4:17:14want to seem like I'm anti-

4:17:17gas station convenience store. And I

4:17:19know that I I'm continuing

4:17:22to have to deal with this type of

4:17:24development coming and coming and coming

4:17:27in my district.

4:17:29And out of the out of a desire

4:17:33to not want to be or seem

4:17:35anti-convenience store and gas stations,

4:17:37I have worked with this this project and

4:17:41the previous one. Um, but it it does

4:17:44have some issues and I'm very clear on

4:17:47why it was rejected.

4:17:49>> Okay. [clears throat]

4:17:52So, with that, um, any other council

4:17:54members wish to speak?

4:17:56>> All right. Seeing Cooper Sutton,

4:17:58>> Councilwoman Cooper Sutton.

4:18:00>> Um, and I did hear from Thank you,

4:18:02Chair. Thank you, Councilwoman Walker. I

4:18:04support you 100%. And as you said, I

4:18:06concur with everything you've said that

4:18:08they're always bringing gas stations in

4:18:10our district and these convenience

4:18:13stores and then a year or so down the

4:18:16road, it's nasty looking, trash

4:18:18everywhere, and the upkeep isn't uh

4:18:21properly upkept. They make the promises

4:18:23when they come in here and then it's a

4:18:25whole different story after they've

4:18:27gotten what they wanted. So, I concur

4:18:29with you. I've talked to the residents

4:18:31as I stated, they reached out and they

4:18:33don't want this. And thank you for your

4:18:35rejection. I yield.

4:18:38>> All right. Thank you, Councilwoman. So,

4:18:40um, typically I would send this

4:18:41downstairs with no recommendation, but

4:18:44seems like there's some passion around

4:18:45this. So, if I could have a motion in a

4:18:47second, we'll go ahead and and take a

4:18:49vote.

4:18:50>> Second.

4:18:50>> Second.

4:18:50>> All right. Motion's been made by

4:18:51Councilman Forge, seconded by Dr.

4:18:54Warren.

4:18:55>> Warren.

4:18:55>> Um, Councilman Warren. All right. So,

4:18:57motion was made properly seconded. All

4:18:59those in favor of this, please respond

4:19:01by saying I.

4:19:02>> I.

4:19:02>> All right. All those opposed.

4:19:04>> All right. The opinion of the chair, the

4:19:05eyes have it. So, this will go

4:19:06downstairs with the positive

4:19:08recommendation and um be read in three

4:19:11weeks.

4:19:13[clears throat]

4:19:14>> We're against it.

4:19:15>> Do it again.

4:19:17>> Okay. So, real quick.

4:19:18>> I'm sorry. Do it again.

4:19:19>> Okay. So, real real quick, just for the

4:19:21record, we've already voted on it and I

4:19:24audibly heard that it was approved. So,

4:19:27for the record, we're going to redo that

4:19:29vote.

4:19:30>> Thank you.

4:19:30>> You never called for NAS.

4:19:32>> I did call for Naz.

4:19:34>> No.

4:19:34>> No.

4:19:34>> Dr. Warren, you're a doctor. You can

4:19:36>> Sorry, doctor.

4:19:37>> I'm kidding.

4:19:38>> I didn't hear.

4:19:39>> All right. So, we're gonna we're gonna

4:19:40do this again. Uh,

4:19:43>> here we go. long day.

4:19:45>> Item number three, sup25037

4:19:49district 3, super district 8, sponsored

4:19:50by the administration. The motion was

4:19:52made by Councilman Forge, seconded by

4:19:54Dr. Warren. All those in favor of

4:19:56sending this downstairs with a positive

4:19:58recommendation, please respond by saying

4:19:59I.

4:20:01>> All those opposed?

4:20:04>> N.

4:20:04>> There we go. Okay. So, this is going to

4:20:06go downstairs with a negative

4:20:08>> a negative recommendation.

4:20:12>> All right. That's it for item number

4:20:14three. Thank you everyone. All right.

4:20:17Item number four. A resolution approving

4:20:18an honorary street name change on Travis

4:20:20Road between Peebles Road and King

4:20:22Avenue for LC and Jesse Ford Senior in

4:20:25recognition of their lifelong commitment

4:20:26to the city of Memphis District 6 Super

4:20:28District 8 sponsored by Councilman Ford

4:20:31Senior. There is a request for same

4:20:32night minutes.

4:20:34>> Motion's been made by Councilman Forge,

4:20:36seconded by Councilman Canali.

4:20:38>> All those in favor, please respond by

4:20:40saying I. I.

4:20:41>> Sure. There's anyone opposed? I

4:20:44>> opinion of the chair the ads have it

4:20:46they are not kin to councilman Ford

4:20:48senior for the record.

4:20:50>> Now I want to know more. That's it for

4:20:53item number four.

4:20:54>> All right.

4:20:55>> All right. Item number five. A

4:20:57resolution approving an honorary street

4:20:59name change between Popular Avenue and

4:21:00Walker Avenue on Patterson Street for

4:21:03MS8 in recognition of their courage to

4:21:05advance the promise of equal education

4:21:06within the city of Memphis. This is in

4:21:08district five. happens to be yours

4:21:11truly. Super District 9 sponsored by

4:21:14Philip Spinosa. Request for same night

4:21:16minutes. Motion's been made by

4:21:19Councilman Canal. Is there a second?

4:21:21Seconded by Chairwoman Swearing in

4:21:22Washington. All those in favor of this,

4:21:25please respond by saying I.

4:21:26>> I.

4:21:27>> Any oppose? All right. Opinion. The

4:21:29chairs. The eyes have it. So that'll go

4:21:30downstairs

4:21:32with the positive recommendation. We

4:21:34have people in the audience today. Look

4:21:36at that. Item number six, discussion on

4:21:38data center ordinances. all council

4:21:40districts requested by Spinosa.

4:21:44I'll just say this, there's been a lot

4:21:45of, in my mind, a lot of positive

4:21:47momentum between the last council

4:21:50meeting that we had and today. You can

4:21:52see some items on the agenda this

4:21:53afternoon that all feed into this entire

4:21:56discussion. I think this is a pivot

4:21:59point, not just for our city, but quite

4:22:01frankly for the country, but for us here

4:22:04as council members. So I'm thankful to

4:22:06be serving with each person on this deis

4:22:10and

4:22:11I'm excited and thankful to say that

4:22:14there's been a lot of um conversation. A

4:22:17lot of community members were here last

4:22:19two two weeks ago. A lot of people are

4:22:21here today. So we're going to we're

4:22:23going to make wise choices together as a

4:22:25body and I'm excited to see us do that.

4:22:27So thank you all for coming here today.

4:22:30Um and I'll I'll end it with that. Well,

4:22:32actually I guess real quick for the

4:22:33record. Today is the third reading for

4:22:37uh Councilman Smiley's ordinance, the

4:22:39original ordinance that was brought up.

4:22:41Councilman Warren's ordinance and the

4:22:43ordinance that I brought up at the last

4:22:44meeting will be read for the second

4:22:46time. The third reading will be on

4:22:48October the 6th. And that's really

4:22:51that's it. That's a baseline for where

4:22:53we are. So that's it for any if anybody

4:22:55else wants to share something.

4:23:00Okay. So that's an up that's an update.

4:23:03So that I'm going to gavvel us out of

4:23:05discussion on data center ordinances and

4:23:07then I'm going to move to what

4:23:08councilwoman Easter counciloman Easter

4:23:11Thomas just referenced. Item number

4:23:13seven is discussion on temporary data

4:23:15center mortorium ordinance number 5982

4:23:19all council districts requested by

4:23:21Smiley and Swearing Washington.

4:23:23Councilman Smiley

4:23:27>> Councilwoman Logan said it beat me up

4:23:29>> on the one that you gathered us out of.

4:23:33>> I'm so sorry. I didn't know that you

4:23:34wanted to speak on that. So,

4:23:35Councilwoman Logan wanted to speak on

4:23:37the previous item. Councilwoman Logan.

4:23:41>> Thank you, Chair. Um, what I want to

4:23:44say, I I wasn't here on the last time,

4:23:46but I did listen to everything that was

4:23:48said and have talked about it. Uh I

4:23:50don't know if you all recall but in 2021

4:23:52we did a mortorium on gas stations

4:23:54entire shops. The reason was because we

4:23:58were inundated with them and didn't have

4:24:01any guidance on it from uh pretty much

4:24:04um we were dealing with them each time

4:24:06we met and that was not the best way to

4:24:09deal with that. And so DPD is he still

4:24:14here? Mr. Ra. Okay. Um so at that time

4:24:18it was uh John Zena was in was over that

4:24:21area and so the council members received

4:24:25information on a national study of how

4:24:28many gas stations there should be in a

4:24:30city per 10,000 people and we were way

4:24:33over and uh we we all knew that but we

4:24:35didn't have that data on it and once we

4:24:38got that from Martavius at that point we

4:24:41had something that proved what we were

4:24:43saying and that had been um studied and

4:24:46across the nation. And I said all that

4:24:48to say um as Tekk has said there are

4:24:53certain things that we have purview and

4:24:59certain things that we don't and those

4:25:02things have to deal with zoning, land

4:25:05use, and sighting and those types of

4:25:08things. However, all of the other things

4:25:10are regulated by someone else. So, you

4:25:14know, I'm not opposed to mortoriiums,

4:25:16but I'm not and I'm not opposed to data

4:25:19centers because everyone in here,

4:25:21everyone that uses uh that's streaming,

4:25:24everyone that uses your cell phone AI

4:25:26and all of that, you all love y'all love

4:25:28data centers, too. Now, we're not going

4:25:30back. It would be like going back to

4:25:32Atra, going back to, you know, those

4:25:35things those things that we no longer

4:25:37have. And we love the luxuries that we

4:25:41share now and being able to stream and

4:25:45use the cloud and and some I think some

4:25:47people think the you know when they say

4:25:49it's being saved in the cloud that it's

4:25:51up in the cloud somewhere. No, it's

4:25:53across the street at a data center. It's

4:25:55down the street at a data center and we

4:25:58we really have to educate, you know, our

4:26:01constituents on what's going on. But I

4:26:03do feel that the the conversation really

4:26:07should be around zoning one thing or

4:26:11else we will be dealing with every data

4:26:13center that comes as opposed to our

4:26:17purview which is land use. We should be

4:26:21focused laser focused on where we're

4:26:24going to pl where we're going to place

4:26:26them where they're going to where we're

4:26:28going to allow them to be. And that's

4:26:30what we should the conversation should

4:26:32be governed. Not because we don't um

4:26:35govern the emissions.

4:26:38We don't govern how much of the water

4:26:40they use and all that other than that

4:26:42would be MLG&W, TVA, um the health

4:26:45department and all that. So I would like

4:26:47to make certain that everything that

4:26:49that comes forward that we focus in on

4:26:53where we're going to allow them to be

4:26:56and that will govern how we act. And I

4:26:59do know that maybe the moratorum does

4:27:02that, you know, in some degree, but

4:27:04we're getting ready for UDC update and

4:27:08that that update does not include

4:27:11anything dealing with um regulating

4:27:15where they're going to be the

4:27:16classification and all of that. And I

4:27:19don't know where we are on that, but

4:27:21that has to be a part of the

4:27:22conversation as well. that should be

4:27:24leading the conversation on um

4:27:29regarding data center. So I did want to

4:27:31share that I know we had a lot of

4:27:32discussion from MLG&W. We had you know a

4:27:36lot of talk about water and all of those

4:27:38things but I didn't hear as much uh

4:27:41about how we're going to approach the

4:27:44five different types. I know in some and

4:27:46that's in your your um moratorum but

4:27:50there are different types. They've been

4:27:51here forever. The Wolf River could the

4:27:54Wolf River bottom is more of a a

4:27:56environmental issue to me than than any

4:27:59of these things that we're dealing with.

4:28:02If we don't care about the Wolf River

4:28:03bottom, then we got issues on that note.

4:28:06But I just wanted to share that I do

4:28:08think we need to really lean into DPD

4:28:11and this UDC update to make sure that

4:28:14that category is in there and that we've

4:28:16exhausted um all the the the um time

4:28:20that we need to to to

4:28:22include that as well. So with that being

4:28:26said, uh like I said, I'm not against

4:28:28moratoriums because I do them, but I do

4:28:30think at this point the conversation

4:28:32needs to switch to that and that be

4:28:35laser focused on that. And I don't know

4:28:38if you all have are having those

4:28:40conversations. I would like to hear from

4:28:42him uh from DPD on where we are on that.

4:28:45Um

4:28:46>> that's coming up.

4:28:47>> Yep.

4:28:47>> That is okay. All right. Sounds good.

4:28:50So with that, I do yield the floor and

4:28:54um hopefully we will turn the corner and

4:28:57start to look at what it is we have

4:28:59perview.

4:29:00>> Thank you, councilwoman. Uh I did gavvel

4:29:03us out of that and there was another uh

4:29:05council member that wanted to speak and

4:29:07then just real quick to answer your

4:29:09question, item number 10 is a discussion

4:29:11on data center zoning today. So director

4:29:13Ragdo will speak to that. We've got

4:29:15Councilwoman Warren and then

4:29:17Councilwoman Cooper Sutton in the queue.

4:29:21>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um,

4:29:25this is going to be like uh data centers

4:29:27are going to be to us just like our

4:29:29water department, our electricity

4:29:31department. They're going to be a

4:29:32utility. And right now we are in a

4:29:37position and I I'm sure you know people

4:29:40have been giving us ideas. We've got two

4:29:43or three different versions that are

4:29:45going to our lawyer about how to

4:29:47regulate data centers. And in my mind,

4:29:50the issue is not whether we have a

4:29:52moratorium on data centers. It's how we

4:29:54regulate them. And how we regulate them

4:29:57in such a way that our community can be

4:30:00economically advantaged and protected

4:30:03from any of the problems that can occur

4:30:05with data centers. So, we have to do

4:30:08that. And pausing this right now before

4:30:11the general assembly comes in in January

4:30:131 will essentially leave us with no

4:30:17options of what we're going to be able

4:30:18to do. Because if it gets to January 1,

4:30:22those state legislators are going to

4:30:23figure out exactly what they're going to

4:30:25do with any potential income we could

4:30:27get to Memphis. One of the things and

4:30:30one of the proposals that are out there

4:30:32are us being able to issue a 90-day

4:30:37rapid permit and with that permit charge

4:30:40a fee for the next 10 years. And with

4:30:43that fee, we can actually be bringing in

4:30:45money to Memphis that we can use for

4:30:47potholes and for other things that we

4:30:49need in our city right now. And also we

4:30:53can set up regulations that just to say

4:30:56if you're a data center, you're going to

4:30:57be in a heavy industrial area away from

4:30:59people. So you're going to have to like

4:31:01make sure in five years you've got some

4:31:04other alternative uh ability to power

4:31:07your facility without using carbon fuel.

4:31:11So we need to be thinking about how

4:31:12we're doing that. And we have less than

4:31:15you know just three months and what's

4:31:17today? Three months and 15 days. Okay.

4:31:20to do this and that means we've got to

4:31:22get out have regulations that we bring

4:31:24to people to look at to offer

4:31:26suggestions. We have to discuss it as a

4:31:29council where we're going to go with

4:31:30that and we have a limited amount of

4:31:33time to be able to pull this off. And if

4:31:35we do pull it off and we're able to be

4:31:38able to bring funds into the city, we've

4:31:40done a major service for everyone

4:31:42particularly because we've regulated the

4:31:44downside. And what we've done with the

4:31:46upside is we brought extra money here

4:31:48that would go somewhere else. Because

4:31:50believe it or not, it's the same aquifer

4:31:52south of the Mississippi line. It's the

4:31:55same aquifer across the river. It's the

4:31:57same aquifer in County. It's the

4:31:59same aquifer in Typton County. So if

4:32:02we're not doing it, somebody else is

4:32:04going to be doing it going to be right

4:32:05on top of the same aquifer. So we need

4:32:08to think about how we have closed loop

4:32:10systems that don't use our water. How we

4:32:12have fuel cells that don't necessarily

4:32:14burn carbon. How do we power these

4:32:17things with solar? How do we regulate

4:32:19that? And we've got a limited amount of

4:32:21time, colleagues, to do that. These

4:32:23things have been done across the

4:32:26country. We do not have to invent the

4:32:27wheel. We don't have to have we have to

4:32:30have public input to this, but we do not

4:32:33have time to spend a year trying to

4:32:35figure this out. We've got to do this by

4:32:37January 1. And ideally, it' be great to

4:32:40do it within six weeks. So, I'm

4:32:42concerned about, you know, delaying this

4:32:46regulatory process and I would like for

4:32:48us to move forward with that as quickly

4:32:50as we can. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

4:32:52>> Thank you, uh, Councilman Warren.

4:32:54Councilwoman Cooper Sutton,

4:32:56>> I yield. I thought we was going to the

4:32:58next question and so I'm okay.

4:33:00>> Thank you so much. I will gobble us out

4:33:02of item number

4:33:05>> six again for the second time. All

4:33:07right. Item number seven. We'll read it

4:33:09again for the record. Discussion on You

4:33:11know what? Thank you to each council

4:33:12member for speaking on with what you

4:33:14just said there. That was great.

4:33:16Discussion on temporary data center

4:33:17moratorium ordinance number 5982. All

4:33:20council districts requested by

4:33:22Councilwoman Smiley and Chairwoman

4:33:25Swearing Washington. Councilman Smiley.

4:33:27>> Okay, I will be brief and actually keep

4:33:30my word this time. Um, so where we are

4:33:33now, I've been having several meetings

4:33:37across this um community trying to find

4:33:40ways to um meet the need. I understand

4:33:43that there's a community of people who

4:33:46feel like they haven't been heard.

4:33:48That's on us. We have to um make

4:33:52ourselves available to people, listen to

4:33:54them with listening gear to understand

4:33:57their concerns, and I think we're on the

4:34:00path um to putting together a process

4:34:02that does that. I think we need to um

4:34:06you know, slow things down a bit. Uh

4:34:09we're in a process of I think sometime

4:34:11next week I will uh send out an amended

4:34:15temporary hypers scale data center

4:34:19moratorum. Um I think it's going to have

4:34:23um support by majority of the members of

4:34:27this body. Um you know we've been trying

4:34:29to consolidate what we saw from

4:34:32Councilman Warren, what we saw from

4:34:34Councilman Spinosa. Thank thank them for

4:34:36their collaboration. I look forward to

4:34:38pushing forth on October 6. I hope what

4:34:41the council put forward meets the needs

4:34:43of this community and also the community

4:34:45understands that we've been listening.

4:34:47Um whether you're a constituent of mine,

4:34:50whether you live in um White Haven,

4:34:53Boxtown, Westwood, Mitchell Heights, or

4:34:55whether you live in the Papa Court,

4:34:57we've heard every single concern. Our

4:34:59job is to legislate and put laws in

4:35:03place that ultimately keep the people of

4:35:05Memphis safe. ultimately allow us to

4:35:08bring in the revenue we need as a

4:35:10community to move forward. I think what

4:35:12we put forth will will uh keep people in

4:35:15this community happy and let them know

4:35:18that we've heard we've been working

4:35:19diligently. Thank my colleagues for

4:35:21their support on this and uh we look

4:35:23forward to October 6. See you then.

4:35:28>> October the 6th.

4:35:28>> Yeah. Okay. So,

4:35:30>> I forgot about that part.

4:35:31>> Thank you. So, [snorts] you just mo your

4:35:33motion to hold.

4:35:34>> Yeah. Move move to hold. I think

4:35:35councilwoman well chairwoman swarning

4:35:37Washington is going to announce it in

4:35:39executive as well for those folks who

4:35:40aren't in here as well.

4:35:41>> All right. So back

4:35:42>> but I move it.

4:35:43>> Thank you

4:35:44>> if I need to. I don't know if I

4:35:45>> Yeah, we'll hold the motion without

4:35:47we'll hold the ordinance without

4:35:48objection. Any objections? All right. So

4:35:50it's going to be held till October the

4:35:516th. And real quick back to what I was

4:35:53saying earlier. Thank you Councilwoman

4:35:55Warren, Councilwoman Logan to everybody

4:35:57for all the conversations. That's great.

4:35:58That's good news to me. So, thank you uh

4:36:01Councilwoman Smiley. Councilwoman

4:36:04Walker, you're in the queue.

4:36:07>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Although I do

4:36:09support the moratorum,

4:36:12um

4:36:14I think we should pause it until we find

4:36:16out what's going on with this community

4:36:18benefits ordinance. Now, there's $3.2

4:36:22million that should be

4:36:26>> Will you get your microphone up? right

4:36:28>> is being held up and we can't vote on

4:36:30it. It has not been on the agenda one

4:36:33time and I have asked, email, call and

4:36:37text and I have not received I have not

4:36:40received a response as to why we have

4:36:43not voted on the community benefits

4:36:46ordinance and the the second aotment.

4:36:50It's on the way. That's $7 million

4:36:52that's going directly back into the

4:36:55community and I have a concern with that

4:36:58to me is connected and so I don't want

4:37:00no parts of this until I get answers to

4:37:03that. Thank you and I yield the floor.

4:37:06>> Love it. Okay. Agreed. Uh I see some

4:37:08administration or a administration uh

4:37:11member here so I'm not going to put you

4:37:13on the spot but councilwoman just

4:37:16my cell phone is back. So, what we're

4:37:18going to do is is ask you all to come

4:37:19back, get back to her, please. You know,

4:37:21if the mayor was here, I'd be looking at

4:37:23the mayor, but we need somebody to get

4:37:24back to her with the answer for that

4:37:26one. Councilman Ford,

4:37:27>> I have the answer.

4:37:28>> Oh, all right. Councilman Ford has the

4:37:30answer.

4:37:31>> I don't have to go through the

4:37:32administration because I'm holding the

4:37:34administration. I take the blame for it

4:37:36all. So, hey, get pissed off at me all

4:37:38they want. Anybody.

4:37:43I want y'all to understand. Put your

4:37:45brain in your head today.

4:37:49in your head today.

4:37:52I called the meeting.

4:37:56Let me just say this. Y'all always

4:37:58talking about money this that and the

4:37:59other and hey and what we trying to do.

4:38:02I call them meeting because yes, we got

4:38:05$3.2 million for 38109. If you don't

4:38:10live in 38109,

4:38:12you don't need to talk about nothing.

4:38:163116 will be next year too. So then you

4:38:19Hey, 3116 can talk. We've been talking

4:38:23about moratorum this that and the other.

4:38:26But if you look at it, we'd be suffering

4:38:28like hell right now if it wasn't for

4:38:30them because hey, they brought more

4:38:32money in than anybody even thought about

4:38:34bringing into this city.

4:38:37We got millionaires that we have given

4:38:40money to down through the years and

4:38:43ain't spent a dime here in the city of

4:38:45Memphis.

4:38:47I want y'all need to understand where

4:38:50money comes from. I stopped it because

4:38:52the reason why I stopped it and I want

4:38:54the administration I don't care about

4:38:56administration. That's why I told y'all

4:38:58I might run for may this coming time

4:39:02to straighten some things out because I

4:39:05don't want nobody to duplicate some

4:39:07money. One thing, hey news media, I

4:39:10usually don't talk to you, but one good

4:39:13thing that y'all did say when y'all put

4:39:16me on there

4:39:19that you know what the city is supposed

4:39:21to be doing this. They supposed to fix

4:39:23potholes. They supposed to do this.

4:39:26Money is over here for this. Money is

4:39:28over here for this. And hell, you want

4:39:30to spend my $3.2 million and said,

4:39:33"Y'all did this?" That's duplicating

4:39:36money.

4:39:3838109. I had a 80 year old woman call

4:39:41her roof fell in. I want that money to

4:39:45go to help her fix her roof.

4:39:48Okay?

4:39:49I want everything. Everybody want to

4:39:52talk about a pothole. We supposed to fix

4:39:54them potholes. Don't take my 3.2 million

4:39:57for 38109.

4:39:59That's why I said if you don't live in

4:40:0138109, don't worry about it.

4:40:04I won't spmit that right now.

4:40:07Okay? Because we supposed to fix

4:40:09potholes. We supposed to pick up some of

4:40:11this trash that we don't pick up.

4:40:15Okay? That's our job.

4:40:18Okay? They want some health over in

4:40:2238109.

4:40:23Yeah. I want to see a health center

4:40:25there to take care of some of these

4:40:27people.

4:40:29Okay? I want all the amenities that's

4:40:32supposed to be done there. That's why

4:40:34I'm sending this message upstairs. Don't

4:40:37get a few people that you done promised

4:40:39some to. Let me start talking cuz I

4:40:42don't like somebody promising something.

4:40:44Okay? So you'll be right along with the

4:40:47administration. I don't give a damn

4:40:48about the administration right now. They

4:40:50piss me the hell off.

4:40:53They need to get their act together.

4:40:55Quit hiring captains.

4:41:01I'm sending that message.

4:41:05Quit hiring your friends and buddies and

4:41:07everything else because you going to

4:41:09make let them make a hundred and

4:41:11something,000 and my people in 3A 109.

4:41:14You going to take some away from them.

4:41:16That is not going to happen. That goes

4:41:18for any council member here. Also, I got

4:41:21a year and a couple of more months, and

4:41:23I can't wait till it's over.

4:41:26But before I leave here, I'm going to

4:41:28raise $1,000 worth of help because I

4:41:31want to make sure district six, my

4:41:33district,

4:41:36and you know what? I'm going to let

4:41:37y'all know,

4:41:39they took my district and gave

4:41:41everybody.

4:41:44My district is all over this city.

4:41:49Check it out and see my office. I have

4:41:53couple picture. I put a picture up. One

4:41:55I put one more picture when we went to

4:41:57Nashville for one of our colleagues

4:41:59service. But the only other thing in my

4:42:02office is a map

4:42:05because I don't know where my district

4:42:07is no more.

4:42:10But I I'm telling the truth. They spit

4:42:12my district because they said hell it

4:42:14don't make no difference about his

4:42:15district. Let me take care everybody

4:42:16else.

4:42:18My district goes from Mississippi line

4:42:22to all the way downtown,

4:42:27which it shouldn't.

4:42:29Okay, it really shouldn't. But they did

4:42:32that to me. Okay, but I want to take

4:42:35care of everybody here. I don't want

4:42:37money spent twice and then they'll say I

4:42:40did it for this. Oh no. And hey, and it

4:42:44all started when hey, we got the message

4:42:46our ratings went down. It pissed me the

4:42:49hell off because none of y'all up here.

4:42:51And hey, and ever since I've been on the

4:42:53council, every time I talk to y'all, I

4:42:56said, "Ratings,

4:42:58ratings,

4:43:00you better try to bring as much money as

4:43:02you can in because if our rating keep on

4:43:04falling, we won't be able to borrow a

4:43:06dime. We'll suffer just like Jackson,

4:43:08Mississippi."

4:43:11Check their record out.

4:43:13Okay. It ain't a black thing. It ain't a

4:43:15white thing. It's our thing. Okay.

4:43:20Give y'all good another typical example.

4:43:23Atlanta used to be a little hick town

4:43:25smaller than us.

4:43:28Okay. They decided we need to get

4:43:30together. Us as one people, not color,

4:43:34not this, that, and the other. And look,

4:43:37it took off. And you you can't stop it.

4:43:40It's growing, growing, growing. What

4:43:42have we done? We done sent everybody to

4:43:43Mississippi, over to Arkansas, and I'm

4:43:47talking about all the way to Grenada.

4:43:49You get up at 5:30 in the morning and

4:43:52just go and drive south going to

4:43:55Mississippi.

4:43:58Coming north,

4:44:00it's so heavy traffic coming to Memphis.

4:44:03But then 3:30 in the afternoon, you

4:44:06better get out the way because they're

4:44:08going back south. And you know what? We

4:44:11let that happen. We come up and talk all

4:44:14this mess, but hell, we let that happen.

4:44:17Go Homes Road to Get Well, go south.

4:44:23That's Memphis.

4:44:26Go down there and look at it. That's

4:44:28Memphis.

4:44:31They ain't spend a dime up here.

4:44:34But we gave it all to him. We gave it to

4:44:37him. We gave it to him. and then quit

4:44:40talking about East Memphis this that and

4:44:42the other and then hey this area is not

4:44:44and hey we got to take care of our own.

4:44:46We just got to talk about that.

4:44:49We got to take care of ourself if we

4:44:52don't. Hey, we going to lose out. But

4:44:55like I said, I'm not going to let nobody

4:44:57mess over 3819

4:45:00right now. Not with this 3.2.

4:45:03And at my meeting, I sent a message to

4:45:05the mayor, but I didn't care about him.

4:45:09nobody else. But I'm not going to let

4:45:11you use this money. I let them present.

4:45:14But sh everything that you presented, we

4:45:17supposed to already be doing it. Okay.

4:45:21We supposed to already be doing it.

4:45:23>> Okay. Which I had a couple of people

4:45:26came there want to raise $1,000. Hell,

4:45:29upset somebody. But before when I got

4:45:32there, I went to everybody and told them

4:45:33what this meeting is about. It's about

4:45:353109 and 3.2. too.

4:45:39And not about nothing else.

4:45:43And I don't care if nobody like me.

4:45:45That's okay. God loves me.

4:45:49>> Okay. I'm covered and I'm blessed, you

4:45:53know? And when it come down to my last

4:45:55name, F. That's why I said that this f

4:45:58ain't no kid to me.

4:46:00Okay. We always got short end of the

4:46:03stick helping people. Okay. I'm through

4:46:06because I I can say a lot of different

4:46:08things that hey people and I love for

4:46:10them not to like me.

4:46:11>> Oh, good. Thank you, Councilman Ford. I

4:46:13got you.

4:46:14>> All right, Councilwoman Walker.

4:46:16>> Yeah, sir.

4:46:18>> So, colleagues, where where do we go

4:46:20from here?

4:46:22>> I I believe that the community deserves

4:46:24these funds. Where where do we go from

4:46:27here with with seven more million

4:46:30dollars on the way? Where do we go? So,

4:46:34um,

4:46:34>> if we can't put this on the agenda and

4:46:36and vote on it, and I'm still not clear.

4:46:40>> Yeah. So, so let's let let's do this,

4:46:42Councilwoman. If you want to add this to

4:46:47three weeks, October 6 agenda item,

4:46:50let's do that because I and I appreciate

4:46:52what you're saying. I appreciate

4:46:53Councilman Ford and all that, but let's

4:46:55let's move this to a topic of

4:46:57discussion.

4:46:58>> Another thing I I requested that this be

4:47:00put on the agenda.

4:47:02>> Okay. Well, let's put it. We got

4:47:04chairwoman swearing Washington

4:47:06>> and didn't get a reply.

4:47:07>> Yep. That's what we'll do.

4:47:09>> Well, it's going to be put on the

4:47:10October 6 agenda. Uh they had a meeting

4:47:13last week and they asked for

4:47:15constituents to offer suggestions. They

4:47:18got a compilation of about 50 or 60

4:47:20cards. They're taking that data and

4:47:24putting that down even in a a

4:47:25spreadsheet to see who uh made those

4:47:28suggestions, their contact information,

4:47:31whether some requests may have been

4:47:33repeated. So they needed to be able to

4:47:35get the data, go through the data,

4:47:38>> and then by the time we come back for

4:47:40our October 6th meeting, we can

4:47:42intelligently address and share what the

4:47:46concerns were for the con constituents

4:47:50and then be able to apply that and have

4:47:52a suggestion of allocations of that

4:47:55money.

4:47:55>> Thank you.

4:47:56>> So that will be on the agenda for the

4:47:57upcoming meeting.

4:47:58>> So I'll recommend that it be added to

4:48:00budget committee, you think? All right,

4:48:03cool. So we'll do that. So

4:48:05>> all right, we got Councilman Smiley and

4:48:07if you don't mind, Councilman, we just,

4:48:08you know, 30 seconds. Go for it.

4:48:10>> It's going to be 30 seconds. So just to

4:48:11add on what the Councilman Bor said, and

4:48:13I think to try to um simplify what he

4:48:17said, what the councilman is requesting,

4:48:20and I think all of us will agree with

4:48:22this.

4:48:23>> The services that are provided with the

4:48:26$3.2 million need to be different than

4:48:29the services that the city is already

4:48:30providing.

4:48:31>> Agree. Right now it feels like they're

4:48:33playing in our face for what it's

4:48:35worked. Totally agree.

4:48:38>> Thank you. Hey,

4:48:40>> not addition. That's why I had the

4:48:42meeting. I really

4:48:46>> We got it. Thank

4:48:47>> Thank you for clearing that clarifying

4:48:49that

4:48:50>> talk to me.

4:48:51>> And the community was there. I had it

4:48:54packed except for a few people want to

4:48:57talk crazy about everything other than

4:49:00>> You got it. Councilman Ford, he's right.

4:49:02You're right. And I understand what

4:49:03you're saying.

4:49:03>> Fill out cards. What they want.

4:49:08>> We got it.

4:49:09>> I need all of y'all to maybe read these

4:49:11cards and y'all can understand. But I do

4:49:14not want the administration to give a

4:49:17dime.

4:49:20Something that should already

4:49:25say I spent $2 million here.

4:49:30109 did not get what they want. They

4:49:34come out there potholes.

4:49:47And hey, anybody in that administration

4:49:50better understand because I'm looking at

4:49:52numbers right now. I was a math major.

4:49:57I was a math major. I can't count.

4:50:02So, hey, I'm looking at every pin

4:50:05because I don't want to give somebodyund

4:50:07and some thousand

4:50:10my people are suffering.

4:50:11>> Gotcha.

4:50:12>> Because he's a

4:50:14>> I follow you, Councilman. Thank you,

4:50:16sir.

4:50:16>> Y'all ain't following me.

4:50:18>> I want y'all to follow me.

4:50:20>> I follow

4:50:20>> down this little road. Okay. The yellow

4:50:22brick road.

4:50:23>> Gotcha. Got you.

4:50:25>> Really and truly do.

4:50:26>> Yes, sir.

4:50:26>> You can't understand. I'm going to check

4:50:28the record to see what you going to get

4:50:30from it.

4:50:33That go for everybody. Maybe you getting

4:50:36something from me to do something. I'm

4:50:38going check everybody out. I have

4:50:41nothing to lose.

4:50:52I retired four years ago. I'm just here

4:50:56trying to help.

4:50:58my people what they deserve. And if you

4:51:01don't want to give it to them, I'm bring

4:51:03all my people down here. Like I said, I

4:51:06don't know what my district is, but I

4:51:08won by 76%

4:51:12like 25% never

4:51:18it

4:51:31was I campaign for myself. I campaigned

4:51:35for him.

4:51:37I campaigned for him. My whole family

4:51:40campaign for him. I did not campaign for

4:51:42myself.

4:51:45I know him.

4:51:55He don't know who put him in that city.

4:51:59You going to hire your capital brother

4:52:01uneducated? Okay, I got an issue. Okay,

4:52:05I'm being serious today. Get your act

4:52:08together.

4:52:12>> Thank you.

4:52:13>> 76% of the vote. So, what does that tell

4:52:16you when I don't know where my district

4:52:18is?

4:52:21South

4:52:23all the way.

4:52:25And uh council woman

4:52:28you always say I'm begging

4:52:52>> that's what you always say. All right.

4:52:54Hey.

4:52:56>> All right.

4:52:57>> Council members talk. Hey, council

4:52:59members, talk to me. All right.

4:53:05>> All right. That's it for item number

4:53:08eight. Right. No, item number seven.

4:53:11That was uh we're moving on. Item number

4:53:14eight has been withdrawn. Councilwoman

4:53:17Cooper Sutton, if you'd like to comment

4:53:19on that.

4:53:21Thank you so much, chair. Um,

4:53:25item number eight is discussion on air

4:53:27pollution near the data centers. myself,

4:53:31uh, Councilman,

4:53:33uh, Canali and, uh, Chairwoman

4:53:37Swearing Washington requested. And the

4:53:41reason it was requested was because

4:53:45we need to understand what our

4:53:47jurisdiction is and what our legislation

4:53:49power is.

4:54:02And

4:54:05[laughter]

4:54:09>> okay.

4:54:11>> All right. We're going to move on to

4:54:12we're going to move on to item number

4:54:14eight. And because this is very

4:54:17important right now because it has to do

4:54:18something.

4:54:19>> Council members, we're going to do a

4:54:20fivem minute recess.

4:54:21>> Okay. Five minutes. Great. Good call.

5:00:44is at we did find out from attorney Wade

5:00:47that sighting and zoning is what we can

5:00:51handle.

5:00:52This is in our power and in our

5:00:54legislation. When you come and talking

5:00:56about air, that's not in my that's not

5:00:59in my wheelhouse. You need to be across

5:01:01the street doing that. So, I recently

5:01:03asked the Shelby County Health

5:01:04Department three important questions

5:01:07about air quality in our community. The

5:01:11first question was, "How is our air

5:01:13being monitored? What are the current

5:01:16areas of concerns?

5:01:18And how are residents notified when

5:01:21pollution levels may affect their

5:01:23health?" First, the health department

5:01:25confirmed that air pollution levels are

5:01:27collected hourly. Residents can view

5:01:30current ozone and find particular

5:01:32matters known as PM2.5

5:01:36through airnow.gov

5:01:38or the air now app using the colorcode

5:01:41air quality index. Data for federal

5:01:44regulated pollutes are also submitted

5:01:47quarterly to the US Environmental

5:01:52Protection Agency. Second, we asked

5:01:55whether Memphis and Shelby County are

5:01:57experiencing concerning pollution

5:02:00levels. The health department identified

5:02:03ozones as a primary concern.

5:02:06Shelby County experienced nine days when

5:02:09ozone levels exceeded the federal

5:02:11standard in 2023,

5:02:138 days in 2024, and 5 days in 2025.

5:02:18As of September 14th of 2026,

5:02:21Shelby County has already experienced 13

5:02:24ozone extended days, more than each of

5:02:28the previous three years. The health

5:02:30department stated that elevated o o o o

5:02:32o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o

5:02:32o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o ozones

5:02:33levels may result from a combination of

5:02:36weather conditions and local and

5:02:38regional emissions.

5:02:41It will investigate whether Canadian

5:02:44wildfires

5:02:46contribute to this year's level after

5:02:49ozone season end on October 31st. I'm

5:02:52going somewhere with this. Just listen.

5:02:56The issue is especially concerning when

5:02:59we examine where heavy in land

5:03:03industrial land is concentrated in

5:03:06Memphis.

5:03:08the city current zoning map, which

5:03:12Mr. Ragsdale and I talked about it. He

5:03:15sent me over the information that was

5:03:17requested from myself and from attorney

5:03:20Wade.

5:03:22Zip code, the largest concentration

5:03:27in zip codes is what I [clears throat]

5:03:28wanted. 38109,

5:03:3238113

5:03:35and 38127

5:03:37with additional heavy industrial areas

5:03:40in 38107 and 38108.

5:03:45These are predominantly

5:03:47black communities that have historically

5:03:52carried a substantial share of the

5:03:55city's industrial and environmental

5:03:58burdens.

5:04:00Residents in these neighborhoods deserve

5:04:03location specified information about the

5:04:06pollution being detected,

5:04:10potential source, and any risk to our

5:04:13health. Cross the street. Where we got

5:04:16to go? Cross the street.

5:04:19Third, we asked how residents are

5:04:21notified when elevated pollution levels

5:04:24are expected. The health department

5:04:26issued daily ozone in the PM2.5 I

5:04:29mentioned earlier in the earlier

5:04:30paragraphs. Forecast and distribute

5:04:33advatory through local media and the

5:04:36National Weather Service and social

5:04:37media. T dot smartway message boards and

5:04:41air now notifications.

5:04:44It also confirmed that its former

5:04:47partnership

5:04:49with MATA

5:04:51which provided discounted transportation

5:04:54doing air quality advisories

5:04:58ended because grant funding is no longer

5:05:01available.

5:05:03I appreciate

5:05:07the written answers

5:05:09provided by the health department.

5:05:12However,

5:05:13it has not responded to our request to

5:05:15present this information publicly before

5:05:18the Memphis City Council.

5:05:21Written responses do not replace a

5:05:24public presentation

5:05:26where council members can ask questions,

5:05:30review neighborhood level information,

5:05:33and discuss how residents are being

5:05:37protected.

5:05:38I am again on the record asking the

5:05:43Shelby County Health Department to

5:05:44appear before the council and address

5:05:48the increase in ozone extendance days,

5:05:52potential pollution sources, the effect

5:05:55on predominantly black communities near

5:05:58heavy industrial areas, protection for

5:06:02vulnerable residents, and the steps

5:06:04being taken to improve air quality.

5:06:07throughout Shelby County.

5:06:10So,

5:06:14we don't control the air over here on

5:06:17the count on the city side. When you get

5:06:20ready to protest and you want to fight

5:06:23and your argument is legit, you go, I'm

5:06:25going to do like Ford cross the street

5:06:28over there. They should have the answers

5:06:31that we're looking for.

5:06:34They need to answer us as a council. We

5:06:37are a body working together who's been

5:06:40elected by you all. And not only am I an

5:06:43elected official, but we are residents

5:06:45that live here. I live in 38109.

5:06:51That's my resident. That's my council

5:06:53member down there, Edund Ford. So, I

5:06:56live there. So I know what it

5:07:01and so we're going to have to understand

5:07:03our legislative power and where we need

5:07:05to be when we're getting ready to fight.

5:07:08It goes across the street for your air

5:07:10pollution

5:07:11because it is very important that we

5:07:14detect and know the level of what our

5:07:16air pollutions are if we're going to

5:07:18continue to allow these data centers to

5:07:20come here. And that's just more than

5:07:22fair. And I believe

5:07:25from a conversation that I had that the

5:07:28data centers that are previously coming

5:07:30aboard, I don't know what happened

5:07:32before.

5:07:34I don't can't tell you what happened

5:07:35before, but I believe and I'm requesting

5:07:38and I'm asking that you come to our

5:07:40community first before you do anything

5:07:42else. And you respect and you just talk

5:07:45to the people. Owe the people that much

5:07:47respect.

5:07:48Conversate. Ask the questions. We're in

5:07:52a state of fear. Listen to the news.

5:07:55CNN, CBN, Fox News. If I keep listening,

5:07:59I ain't gonna never get off my knees

5:08:00praying because I'll be too scared to

5:08:02come outside.

5:08:04So, the only thing that I wanted to

5:08:06share and I want to thank you, chair, is

5:08:08the air quality. When you all came two

5:08:11weeks ago, you were talking about you

5:08:13couldn't breathe and the air and the

5:08:16health issues we need. I said we need to

5:08:20go across the street and that's where it

5:08:22needs to be dealt. You have a whole new

5:08:25elected official body over there. So,

5:08:28let's see

5:08:30what they can do for us. I yield.

5:08:33>> Thank you.

5:08:33>> Yep. Thank you, Councilwoman. I've got a

5:08:35copy of what you sent and I'll just

5:08:37leave it

5:08:38>> there if anybody wants it. All right.

5:08:40So, um this is all hugely important.

5:08:44Just everything we're talking about and

5:08:45this is actually great. I I've loved

5:08:46every single word that everybody said.

5:08:49In the interest of time, the chairwoman

5:08:51has allowed me to push executive back to

5:08:543:30. So that gives us 21 and a half

5:08:56minutes. Dr. Warren, you wanted to make

5:08:58a comment. So real quick, real quick,

5:09:00I'll allow it that I'm going to ask you

5:09:02to stop at 3:10 and then we're going to

5:09:03go to the next two items and I'm going

5:09:05to do 10 minutes on each one of those.

5:09:07But this is just the beginning of all

5:09:08these conversations.

5:09:09>> I'll be 308.20 seconds. Um I would like

5:09:14to make a recommendation. We as a

5:09:16council formally ask the health

5:09:19department to come to present to us as

5:09:23our colleague has requested and we send

5:09:25that announce request as a council as a

5:09:28body and I need a second for that

5:09:31motion.

5:09:31>> Second.

5:09:32>> All right. Motion made by uh Councilman

5:09:34Warren, seconded by Councilman Canali.

5:09:38All those in favor of that formal

5:09:39request, please respond by saying I. I

5:09:42we've done that. All right. Anyone

5:09:43against?

5:09:44>> All right. So, uh

5:09:46>> chair,

5:09:47>> we've asked several times.

5:09:49>> And you've asked several times here.

5:09:50>> And we've asked several times.

5:09:51[clears throat]

5:09:52>> You have

5:09:53>> And their response is right here.

5:09:55>> And their response is right here. And

5:09:56also they said that I need to talk to

5:09:58the mayor administration. What was that

5:10:00response?

5:10:03>> They had to speak. Let me put this on

5:10:05record. before they could come and

5:10:07present that they had to speak to the

5:10:08mayor administration before they could

5:10:11come and and present. So I want to allow

5:10:14them that time and so I did give them a

5:10:17date. We'd like to see them October 6.

5:10:20Thank you.

5:10:20>> And that should give them enough time to

5:10:21communicate that.

5:10:22>> Thank you for your work on this council

5:10:24woman. Yep. And uh thank you Dr. Warren

5:10:26too. Now we've all formally as a body

5:10:28support what you've asked and I hope to

5:10:30see them on October the 6th. All right.

5:10:32So that does it for item number eight.

5:10:35Uh we're 13 seconds behind the schedule.

5:10:37We got 10 minutes left uh for this item.

5:10:40Item number nine, University of Memphis

5:10:42School Public Health presentation on

5:10:44data center operations, air quality, and

5:10:46community health. Obviously impacting

5:10:49all council districts requested by

5:10:51Councilwoman Cooper Sutton.

5:10:55How about that? Welcome.

5:10:58All right. Anyone here for that?

5:11:09busy day today. Thank you for coming. If

5:11:12you don't mind, name and address for the

5:11:13record. And we have slides ready for

5:11:15you, I believe. So,

5:11:18and if you don't mind, sir, just for the

5:11:19record, you got to give us your name and

5:11:21address right there on that microphone.

5:11:22You push that push that button. And

5:11:24thank you for coming today.

5:11:33Hold on one second. I need you to push

5:11:34that that button.

5:11:38>> Okay,

5:11:38>> thank you. Okay, there you go. Yeah.

5:11:40Name and address for the record, please.

5:11:42>> Good afternoon everyone. My name is

5:11:44Tania. I'm professor health in the

5:11:47school public health at University of

5:11:48Memphis. Today I'm going to present our

5:11:51study on the impact of XI classes one

5:11:55data center on air quality and thermal

5:11:58environment in southwest Memphis. Next

5:12:01slide. So we know XI was constructed in

5:12:062024. It started operation um September

5:12:10the 1st 2024. XI is the one of the

5:12:14largest data center in the world. If you

5:12:17look at the uh data center power

5:12:20consumption, it ranged from less than

5:12:22one megawatt to 325 megawatty and XI

5:12:26data uh power demand was um I think it's

5:12:30300 megawatt. So it's it's a it's it's

5:12:34one of the almost the top one data

5:12:36center in the world. Um

5:12:40unfortunately this data center actually

5:12:42is located in southwest Memphis. If you

5:12:45look at the location and that um it's in

5:12:49zip code 38109

5:12:51which has been mentioned multiple times

5:12:54in today's meeting and this uh area

5:12:59almost is predominantly

5:13:01African-Americans and poverity is high

5:13:05and with all the poor health indicators.

5:13:09Next slide please.

5:13:12>> [clears throat]

5:13:15>> So um the XAI power demand cannot be

5:13:19fully supplied by the grid power. So

5:13:21half of the power actually is from the

5:13:25on-site gas power turbines. So they

5:13:29allocated 50 eyesight gas pile turbines

5:13:33but actually there were there are 35

5:13:35turbines on site 20 are backup turbines.

5:13:40So the starting date was uh uh September

5:13:441st. As we mentioned the air these gas

5:13:48turbines although they use natural gas

5:13:51which is considered clean fuel they

5:13:54still emit all these air pollutants like

5:13:57particulate matter sulfur dioxide carbon

5:14:00monoxide nitrogen dioxide and a list of

5:14:03all these what we called hazardous air

5:14:06pollutants but their emission rates by

5:14:12the the vendor's specification

5:14:15All these emission rates were below 100

5:14:18tons per year. So the the these turbines

5:14:21are considered

5:14:23minor sources not major sources by

5:14:26regulation. So they could get the

5:14:30temporary permit immediately. That was

5:14:32the reason they started operation with

5:14:34the temporary temporary permit that

5:14:37time. Um so these emissions caused the

5:14:41concerns in the local communities

5:14:43because um um that the the area is

5:14:48already a we know it's a overly it's a

5:14:52it's a area with high amount of burdens.

5:14:55So next slide.

5:14:58So um the major question here is people

5:15:01are really concerned about what the air

5:15:03quality is after the start after the

5:15:06launch of XI gas turbines. Did the air

5:15:10quality become worse after the launch

5:15:13date. So what we did was to uh make a

5:15:18comparison of the air quality before and

5:15:22after launch of all these air to mines.

5:15:25Um it was unfortunate there was no

5:15:29on-site monitoring data at in that area.

5:15:32It's totally no it's it's very

5:15:35unfortunate. So uh what we did actually

5:15:38why we um but now there are satellites

5:15:42in the air they are measuring all these

5:15:45air pollutants continuously. So we were

5:15:48able to extract the satellite data and

5:15:51made the comparison. So what we did was

5:15:54to extract all the satellite data

5:15:57including like those fine particles you

5:15:59can see PM 2.5 nitrogen dioxide sulfa

5:16:02dioxide so 2 CO carbon monoxide ozone

5:16:05formaldahhide and temperature all these

5:16:07data from the satellite data and we also

5:16:11calibrated these data using the uh the

5:16:15local monitoring data which were

5:16:17collected at the national core site in

5:16:19the shelby farms and then we defined the

5:16:21two periods one year before the launch

5:16:24date. That was from September the 1st of

5:16:272023 until August 31st, 2024. Then one

5:16:31year after the launch. Next slide.

5:16:35So

5:16:37what we want we we we um compared the

5:16:40average concentration of all these

5:16:41pollutants.

5:16:43Uh interestingly we did not find

5:16:48significant increase in air pollution.

5:16:51rather

5:16:52we actually saw some decrease in air

5:16:56pollution levels in the um the the

5:17:01nearby communities in particular Boxtown

5:17:04which is the closest community uh to Xi

5:17:08center and also Riverview which is close

5:17:11to the um the Riverview uh uh I mean

5:17:15park and also across street that's a

5:17:18valo

5:17:20refinery And if you look at these

5:17:22levels, you can see on the on the figure

5:17:25and all these concentrations after the

5:17:28the light blue bars, you can see these

5:17:32concentrations actually were lower after

5:17:36the launch. You can see I I'm not able

5:17:39to point those.

5:17:43>> Uh yeah, I tried [clears throat] to but

5:17:45it's okay. Uh you can see um either they

5:17:48were almost the same as before or they

5:17:50were lower than before.

5:17:52>> Double battery.

5:17:55>> Interesting. Yeah, I was not able to

5:17:57find it. Anyway, next slide.

5:18:00>> Another concern was about if all the new

5:18:04of the gas would increase the local

5:18:06temperature in those nearby communities.

5:18:09We compared the the surface temperature

5:18:11before and after and uh we actually saw

5:18:15very similar temperature um before and

5:18:19after. Okay. In box tile and riverview.

5:18:22Next slide.

5:18:24Of course there are a lot of technical

5:18:25details we can of course present. We can

5:18:28write the report on these but these are

5:18:30the major findings. Next slide please.

5:18:32So of course we have to admit there are

5:18:35a lot of limitations using the satellite

5:18:38data um because these pixels are big. Um

5:18:42they probably could not reflect the very

5:18:45refined local concentrations and also we

5:18:50did not have the health data. It was

5:18:52extremely difficult to get the local

5:18:54health data like the the incidence or

5:18:57prevalence of the data before and after

5:18:58from the health department. There's a

5:19:00there's a long procedure. We were not

5:19:02able to do that so far. So we need to

5:19:05get this. So no health impacts. Um and

5:19:08this is only for the XI data center in

5:19:11southwest Memphis, not for the second

5:19:14one near the South Haven. Um that one

5:19:16probably we think that's probably more

5:19:19problematic because it's closer to the

5:19:22communities. Um this one actually is in

5:19:25open space. If you've been there, we

5:19:27I've been there several times. is in

5:19:30open space and there's also a barrier of

5:19:34trees between the community and the open

5:19:36space. Right? So next slide please.

5:19:40Uh so um just for this analysis this

5:19:43specific data center we think um after

5:19:47the XI started operations

5:19:50um no sign no significant deterioration

5:19:53in air quality in nearby neighbor

5:19:55neighborhoods. no significant increase

5:19:57in surface temperature in nearby

5:19:59neighborhoods. These are the major

5:20:00findings utilizing satellite data and

5:20:04but we still think there's need for

5:20:07further research. For example, um for

5:20:10XIS stage two and probably other data

5:20:13centers u planned in this region uh we

5:20:17proposed to do local air monitoring

5:20:19continuous air monitoring. I know there

5:20:21was sporadic a few air monitoring

5:20:24campaigns but there are a lot of

5:20:26problems with those local monitoring

5:20:29programs. They was too short only a few

5:20:31days or only probably a few weeks which

5:20:35could not represent the long-term

5:20:38exposure to these air pollutants. Right?

5:20:40We also propose to do uh health

5:20:42assessment and also

5:20:46um the comprehensive assessment of the

5:20:48socioeconomic impacts. So these are um

5:20:52that's all for my presentation.

5:20:55>> Dr. Thank you so much. This presentation

5:20:58is on the city uh council website if

5:21:01anybody wants to see it under council

5:21:03documents for committee documents. Um

5:21:05appreciate you coming here today and

5:21:07thank you to you and your team. I think

5:21:09this is the beginning of a conversation

5:21:11for all of us, but this is big time

5:21:13information that you shared with us

5:21:14today and really just the beginning. So,

5:21:16we've got your info and you will

5:21:17probably be hearing from us again soon

5:21:19and thank you for today. Yeah.

5:21:22>> Um, all right. So, we've got two council

5:21:26members that want to speak. I would just

5:21:28ask please, we've got executive, we're

5:21:31not going to solve all this today. two

5:21:33council members. We've got Councilwoman

5:21:35Walker, Cooper Sutton, and now we have

5:21:37Councilwoman Ford.

5:21:39Councilwoman Walker.

5:21:41>> Thank you. I wanted to ask the presenter

5:21:44a question. Sir, could you come back

5:21:45down front?

5:21:49>> We want you back.

5:22:00>> Thank you for coming. Thank you for your

5:22:02presentation. I was wondering why did

5:22:04you all calibrate to one site?

5:22:10>> The the the calibration process was like

5:22:12this because the satellite data was not

5:22:16the direct measurements of air pollution

5:22:18concentrations. There were signals of

5:22:21those optical sensors and these signals

5:22:25um have to be calibrated with the local

5:22:28monitoring data. So they can be

5:22:30converted to the concentrations so we

5:22:33can understand them and read them. It's

5:22:35like any like instrument and they

5:22:38actually just measure those electric

5:22:40signals and then we convert those to the

5:22:43actual like temperature readings things

5:22:46like that. So this is a process and uh

5:22:49what we did was in the national core

5:22:52site at in the shelby farm farms park

5:22:56that site is the most comprehensive

5:22:58monitoring station with all the

5:23:00measurements that site provide all these

5:23:02measurements that can allow us to you

5:23:06know com using this data to establish a

5:23:09relationship between the satellite

5:23:11signals and the actual monitoring data.

5:23:14Then utilize that relationship we can

5:23:17translate the signals measured in the

5:23:21excise sites or nearby communities.

5:23:24Those signals we can translate those

5:23:26signals to the actual concentration. So

5:23:28then we can understand what the actual

5:23:31levels of the pollution in in those

5:23:33communities.

5:23:34>> Okay. Thank you for that. So, are you of

5:23:37the opinion that the turbines were

5:23:39already running as of August 31st 24

5:23:42because of the pre-overlap preop the

5:23:45overlap from the pre-operation?

5:23:48Are you are you of the opinion that the

5:23:50turbines were running before

5:23:54September 1st, 2024?

5:23:58>> Um, I'm sorry. I think

5:24:03>> when you started

5:24:06>> that was a date.

5:24:07>> Thank you council war. That was the data

5:24:10of that date the starting date September

5:24:121st 2024 that date we I didn't get that

5:24:17from first hand that was a data date um

5:24:22XI reported to health department then

5:24:24health department provided that data to

5:24:27me

5:24:28>> okay all right thank you I yield the

5:24:30floor

5:24:32>> thank you councilwoman walker those are

5:24:34great questions um

5:24:36we've got councilwoman Cooper for

5:24:38Sutton. And look, these questions are so

5:24:40important and so I'm not trying to rush

5:24:42us through the questions. I mean, I'm

5:24:44sitting here thinking we need like

5:24:45threehour hearings on all of these

5:24:47things and I'm sitting here listening to

5:24:48all of this. But

5:24:50>> yeah, so Councilwoman Cooper Sutton,

5:24:52please y'all just keep in mind we can

5:24:54also email all these questions and get

5:24:55them back. I just wanted to make sure

5:24:57because I think your colleague Brian

5:25:00Walden Walden I think he came and

5:25:04presented before us and he had the same

5:25:06issue that you mentioned and I just want

5:25:08to make sure that I clarify and

5:25:10understand that you said the same thing

5:25:12that you're getting a very hard time

5:25:14getting any clarification or any

5:25:16response from the Shelby County Health

5:25:18Department.

5:25:23The main reason is just

5:25:26>> I just need you to tell me yes or no

5:25:29because Brian said I'm just asking I

5:25:32just are you having an issue collecting

5:25:35the data that you need from the Shelby

5:25:37County Health Department.

5:25:39>> I don't I didn't.

5:25:40>> All right. You didn't

5:25:42>> I didn't.

5:25:42>> All right. Thank you. I I yield.

5:25:44>> Thank you, Councilman. Councilman Ford.

5:25:46>> Okay. I'm gonna be real brave. Next time

5:25:49you come, please put TVA in there. Just

5:25:51don't put AXI and just don't put Bolero.

5:25:56Okay. All of that's my district. Not

5:25:58only that, the other two com well one

5:26:01other company that's over there also.

5:26:04Please put everybody in there. Okay. Uh

5:26:08they're exactly correct. The mayor has

5:26:10to make them come over there. It's not

5:26:13just this issue, but it's any issue. the

5:26:16last person that was head of the health

5:26:18department resigned because of all of

5:26:20this. Okay? She couldn't take the

5:26:22pressure and if y'all may you know they

5:26:25they she resigned and she went on about

5:26:28her business. Okay. Because she did not

5:26:30want to come and that all stemmed up

5:26:32from the beginning of the one that was

5:26:34really doing pollution over there on

5:26:36Florida Street. We got rid of them.

5:26:39Okay. Yeah. One on Florida Street. There

5:26:42you go. That was where all the pollution

5:26:45was really coming from that place over

5:26:47there. Okay. But when you do your

5:26:49research, add all these people in, not

5:26:52just those two because it's another

5:26:54company over there that actually axi

5:26:57kind of helped out with some of that

5:26:58turbine and all the rest and then TVA.

5:27:01So please put include them all.

5:27:03>> Um in the first map actually we

5:27:05indicated those emission sources. The

5:27:08only one only one you talked about was a

5:27:11first page Bolero, but put the rest of

5:27:14them in there. I'm through. Okay.

5:27:16>> It was just difficult to show all the

5:27:18>> all the No. Hey, look. Thank you so much

5:27:20and thanks to your team and we'll be

5:27:22seeing you again soon. All right. So,

5:27:23that that covers item number nine. Uh,

5:27:26Director Ragsdale, that seat is on fire.

5:27:29You've got three minutes.

5:27:30>> I'm sitting over here.

5:27:31>> Yeah, exactly. Uh, I don't want to hold

5:27:33this. We've held it already. So, if you

5:27:35don't mind, please be quick. We've got

5:27:37our executive session and we can talk to

5:27:39you all day, every day of the week, but

5:27:41let's go ahead and and speak publicly on

5:27:43this discussion on data centers zoning

5:27:45all council districts is item number 10.

5:27:47>> You know, no motions needed requested

5:27:49again by councilwoman Cooper Sutton.

5:27:51Thank you for that. Go ahead, Director

5:27:53Agill.

5:27:53>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes. So,

5:27:55there's a lot of great discussion as you

5:27:56mentioned and we have been talking with

5:27:58Councilwoman Cooper Sutton as well as

5:27:59other council members uh about a lot of

5:28:01these things and what we've been talking

5:28:03about for zoning is what can zoning do?

5:28:06what zoning is supposed to do. So I want

5:28:08to just really focus on that and we

5:28:09talked about land use and sighting. So

5:28:12what zoning a lot of what zoning does is

5:28:14talks about where it talks about what a

5:28:16land use is and then where does it go.

5:28:17So that's what we've been focusing on

5:28:19and after all these discussions and

5:28:21through all these we're getting a little

5:28:22bit more information and really starting

5:28:24to hone in on that. So first of all

5:28:26we're going to define what a data center

5:28:28is and that's what we'll do in the UDC

5:28:30is we'll say this is a principal use a

5:28:32data center is this. That shouldn't be

5:28:35too controversial. We can do that. Uh

5:28:37but what we want to do

5:28:38>> two minutes

5:28:39>> is um is then take that and categorize

5:28:42it into size. So square footage, floor

5:28:45area, and that's going to be the easiest

5:28:47way for a land use to be determined then

5:28:49where does it go. And so we have a lot

5:28:52of a lot of examples. I think that T

5:28:54deck has some regulations. They have

5:28:56five different sizes. The first two of

5:28:58those are pretty much small sometime,

5:29:01you know, very very small things. So I

5:29:03think the the last three are the ones

5:29:05that we're talking about. So you'd be

5:29:06looking at, you know, a small, medium,

5:29:08and large. You know, the large would be

5:29:09the hypers scale that we're talking

5:29:11about. So then once we develop that, we

5:29:14have a definition, we have a these

5:29:16categories, then we talk about, well,

5:29:18what zoning districts would those be

5:29:20allowed in and how? And so, you know,

5:29:22you would just go up from the size. Some

5:29:24the smaller ones could be allowed in

5:29:27commercial districts by right. We

5:29:29already have some of those. um as you

5:29:31move up, they would be allowed in the

5:29:34more industrial locations. And then we

5:29:36can just we can discuss and decide

5:29:37whether some of those would require a

5:29:39special use permit or other approvals or

5:29:42if they would be allowed by right. And

5:29:43so those are really the three things

5:29:45that we'll be talking about is a

5:29:46definition then categorizing by size and

5:29:49then how do they uh are they allowed in

5:29:53these different zoning districts and

5:29:55what approvals?

5:29:56>> Thank you, Director Rags. Sounds like a

5:29:58super simple uh job, right?

5:30:00>> Compared to some things.

5:30:01>> This is unfair to ask you to to do this

5:30:04in two minutes, but thank you for trying

5:30:05to summarize that. This is the beginning

5:30:07of a much larger discussion. I think

5:30:09Councilman Smiley wanted to make a

5:30:11comment.

5:30:12>> So, quick comment from me. Um it is

5:30:153:30. Full council meeting starts at

5:30:174:00. Um, if Councilwoman Cooper Sutton

5:30:20is okay, since we're going to have a

5:30:22much larger discussion on the October

5:30:23the 6th meeting, I would love for him to

5:30:25come back, give this presentation in

5:30:26October the 6th meeting. Um, I'm not

5:30:28sure if I need to move that. Hopefully,

5:30:31there's no objection for him coming back

5:30:32to have this conversation on the sixth

5:30:34meeting.

5:30:34>> Any objections? None.

5:30:35>> Really have this uh a more thorough

5:30:37conversation.

5:30:38>> Thank you, Councilman Smiley. Thank you,

5:30:40Director Ragsdale. Any other items

5:30:42before the committee? All right, this

5:30:43meeting is adjourned. Thank

5:32:54The Memphis City Council is hereby call

5:32:56to order. Miss Katon, please call the

5:32:59role.

5:33:00>> Council Meer Thomas.

5:33:02>> Councilman Smiley. Councilman Ford.

5:33:04>> Councilwoman Walker.

5:33:07>> Councilman Warren.

5:33:08>> Councilwoman White.

5:33:10>> Councilwoman Logan.

5:33:13>> Councilman Canal here.

5:33:16Chairwoman SW Washington present.

5:33:20We have five items on the agenda today.

5:33:23Item number one will be held until

5:33:26October 6.

5:33:29Item number two will be held until the

5:33:31October 6 meeting.

5:33:34Item number three.

5:33:46[clears throat]

5:33:52Waiting on y'all. Be quiet.

5:33:56Item number three is a resolution to

5:33:58accept safe streets and roads for all

5:34:02SS4A grant funds, authorize the required

5:34:06local match, and establish funding for

5:34:09the execution of demonstration and

5:34:11implementation projects. All council

5:34:14districts sponsored by the

5:34:16administration request for same night

5:34:18minutes. Has been moved by Councilman

5:34:19Ford Senior, second by Councilman Dr.

5:34:23Warren who from the administration is

5:34:25here to speak on that item.

5:34:28Please give us your name and address for

5:34:30the record and you may proceed.

5:34:36Need to turn on the mic. Greg Dodson,

5:34:39director of engineering, 125 North Main

5:34:41Street and also have my colleague here.

5:34:44>> Hey Randall Tatum, city traffic engineer

5:34:47125 North Main. Thanks.

5:34:50>> All right. So this is a resolution to

5:34:54accept a a grant uh from the safe

5:34:57streets for all program u from the US

5:35:00department of transportation in the

5:35:02amount of 16 million486.485

5:35:06million

5:35:08um that results in a 8020 split. So, as

5:35:12you'll see the third bullet there, uh

5:35:14there's a a receiving of funds of 13.188

5:35:19million and a 20% match uh from from the

5:35:24city of Memphis. Uh and so this project

5:35:27includes uh three phases as you see

5:35:31project one, two, and three. Uh project

5:35:33one will consist of the educational

5:35:35campaign including um school outreach.

5:35:39Uh then there's the demon demonstration

5:35:41grant activities uh that's part of this

5:35:43as well. We can go into that a little

5:35:45bit more detail. And then there's uh

5:35:48project number three which is the what

5:35:50we call the implementation

5:35:52uh portion of this. And that's the

5:35:54that's going to take the the bulk of the

5:35:57funding and that has to do with the

5:35:59intersection the six-legged intersection

5:36:01at Lamar Avenue, Kimell Avenue, and

5:36:05Pendleton. Um and so plain language just

5:36:09want to just highlight that that that it

5:36:12says again funding to facilitate

5:36:14demonstration and implementation

5:36:16projects to improve transportation

5:36:19safety. All right, you go to the next

5:36:21slide.

5:36:23Uh this is just uh some graphics that

5:36:26kind of detail the project. On the on

5:36:28the left, you have the six six-legged

5:36:31aerial image of the intersection at

5:36:34Lamar, Pendleton, and Kimble. U the the

5:36:38middle image is a conceptual design of

5:36:42turning that six-legged intersection

5:36:45into a fourlegged intersection uh and

5:36:48having some green space on the north and

5:36:51south where Pendle Pendleton uh now goes

5:36:55through the intersection. uh the revenue

5:36:57and expenditures expenditures on the

5:37:00right side. They you can kind of walk

5:37:02through those. If if y'all need us to

5:37:04walk through that, we can. But

5:37:05basically, you have the revenue side

5:37:07where we receiving funds uh through

5:37:09fiscal years 27 through 29. Uh and then

5:37:13we have the uh expenditures of how we

5:37:17are planning to spend those dollars

5:37:20through those fiscal years.

5:37:24Um,

5:37:26>> and you all are doing the design.

5:37:28>> We are hiring a consultant to do the

5:37:30design.

5:37:31>> Okay. All right. Definitely needed.

5:37:34That's a high area of accidents all.

5:37:37>> Absolutely. Absolutely.

5:37:39>> All right. All those in favor say I.

5:37:43>> Any opposed? It is the opinion of the

5:37:45chair that the eyes have it.

5:37:48Item number four is a resolution to

5:37:50amend the fiscal year 2027 general fund,

5:37:54solid waste management fund, sewer fund,

5:37:57treatment and collections fund, and

5:37:59storm water fund, operating budgets, all

5:38:02council districts sponsored by the

5:38:04administration. Can I get a motion?

5:38:06>> Second.

5:38:06>> It's been moved

5:38:08item number four.

5:38:11>> Second by uh Fort Canali. All right. You

5:38:14have a objection?

5:38:16>> Yes, an objection.

5:38:18Do I have a second?

5:38:19>> Second.

5:38:20>> Okay. Would you like to speak?

5:38:22>> Yeah. Pursuant to item number uh 40 with

5:38:25two objections. It'll be moved to the

5:38:27next committee. I just received this

5:38:28yesterday evening and it is a budget

5:38:32item that needs to be reviewed. We just

5:38:34recently passed the budget. Um and this

5:38:36is a pretty significant resolution that

5:38:39I want to be able to have the

5:38:40information to be able to have an

5:38:42informed conversation about it. It's

5:38:443:40. We go to our full meeting at 4. I

5:38:47don't believe we'll be able to have that

5:38:48here today. So, I would like for it to

5:38:50be moved to the next committee pursuant

5:38:52to rule 40 based on two objections to

5:38:54the item.

5:38:55>> Okay. All those in favor for that to be

5:38:56moved for the October 6th meeting, say

5:38:58I.

5:38:59>> Any opposed? That will be held until our

5:39:02October 6th meeting.

5:39:05Item number five is a presentation

5:39:07honoring the 31st annual Stone Awards

5:39:10sponsored by Walker. There's a request

5:39:12to add on to the regular agenda for same

5:39:14night minutes.

5:39:18Okay.

5:39:22>> Okay. We're fine. Okay. So, that

5:39:24concludes our executive session. Is

5:39:27there anything that needs to become

5:39:28before the meeting?

5:39:32>> Are we doing well?

5:39:40>> Okay.

5:39:44So now we will move to our add-on items

5:39:47which are items number 29,

5:39:5030,

5:39:5231,

5:39:5432, 33, and 34. Item number 29 is a

5:39:58resolution to appropriate the sum of

5:40:00$950,000

5:40:02funded by GEO bonds chargeable to the

5:40:05FY2027

5:40:06capital improvement program CIP budget

5:40:09for middle inome housing infrastructure

5:40:12CD01108

5:40:14all council districts sponsored by the

5:40:17administration. There's a request for

5:40:20same night minutes. Item number 30 is a

5:40:22resolution to transfer and appropriate

5:40:25$800,000 from Winchester Perkins project

5:40:28number PW1025

5:40:31to Knight Arnold John's CK Bridge

5:40:34project number PV02039

5:40:38to fund the construction of the Knight

5:40:40Arnold Bridge repair over John's Creek

5:40:43District 4 Super District 8 sponsored by

5:40:46the administration. There's a request

5:40:49for same night minutes. Item number 31

5:40:52is a resolution to allocate and

5:40:54appropriate $2,388,000

5:40:57in city council community grant funds to

5:41:00nonprofit agencies for FY27

5:41:04all council districts sponsored by the

5:41:06Memphis City Council. There's a request

5:41:08for same night minutes. Item number 32

5:41:11is a resolution approving an honorary

5:41:14street name between Popular Avenue and

5:41:16Walker Avenue on Patterson Street for

5:41:19MS8 in recognition of their courage to

5:41:23advance the promise of equal education

5:41:25within the city of Memphis District 5

5:41:28Super District 9 sponsored by Spinosa.

5:41:31There's a request for same night

5:41:33minutes. Item number 33 is a resolution

5:41:36to accept safe streets and roads for all

5:41:39SS4A grant funds, authorize the required

5:41:42local match, and establish funding for

5:41:45the execution of demonstration and

5:41:47implementation projects. All council

5:41:50districts sponsored by the administ

5:41:52administration and there's a request for

5:41:55same night minutes. Item number 34 is a

5:41:59presentation honoring the 31st annual

5:42:01Stone Awards sponsored by Councilwoman

5:42:04Walker. There's a request to add on to

5:42:06the regular agenda for same night

5:42:08minutes. The same night minute items are

5:42:112 10 11 12 13 14 15

5:42:1719 29 30 31 32 33 34. Items three and

5:42:25item number 25 will be held until

5:42:28October 6, 2026

5:42:31along with item

5:42:34one and two. You know that one.

5:42:38>> All right. Does any member of the

5:42:39committee have anything else that needs

5:42:41to be addressed? If not, we stand a

5:42:44journal.

5:42:48We hel that too because it was taking