2026-10-12 - Council Briefing
Summary
Written from auto-captions, which begin mid-meeting (the opening items and the first vote, a unanimous 6-0, are cut off). Source: the October 12, 2026 Council Briefing upload.
Time on topic (from transcript timestamps; approximate, includes side talk):
| Topic | Minutes | Share |
|---|---|---|
| Kern Street Redevelopment | 12 | 50% |
| Other business | 9 | 36% |
| Carver Park and Strickland Center Redevelopment | 2 | 8% |
| Government Relations Lobbyist Contract | 1 | 6% |
Kern Street Redevelopment
00:48-12:48
- Eddie Bowling and Chuck George presented three concepts: a 24-unit condominium layout with HOA-maintained common areas, an 18-unit traditional lot plan, and a 20-unit small-lot plan with some cottage homes of about 900 sq ft on a new public street.
- Staff favored options two and three and noted the small-lot options need relief on rear setbacks, lot size and frontage (possibly through a cluster or planned unit development ordinance).
- A show of hands among council members favored option three.
- Staff will go back to the developer and aim to break ground within 12 months.
Carver Park and Strickland Center Redevelopment
12:50-14:39
- Council approved 6-0 a $365,480 contract with CPL for design and construction management of the Strickland Center and Carver Park project.
Government Relations Lobbyist Contract
19:34-20:56
- For the October 19 agenda, budget amendment 2027-P4-01, which moves $60,000 from contingency for the government relations contract, was split from the $800 beautification donations and both put on regular.
Other business
00:00-00:48, 14:41-19:34, 20:57-24:02
- Approved 6-0 the temporary road closures for Chair City Christmas and the Star of Bethlehem drive-through nativity.
- Also on regular for October 19: the Main Street map amendment, a vehicle safety and telematics policy, street naming, animal control, and a call for a public hearing on an economic development grant for Project Bagel on November 16.
- On consent: the sewer line cleaning and CCTV contract, the special event process and the loading zone ordinance.
- A closed session for personnel is planned for the next Monday.
- Proclamations for veterans green lights, domestic violence and learning disability awareness were assigned to Doug Hunt, Lisa Shell and Jacquelyn Johnson.
Sources
- Video: https://youtu.be/SAOywRiMRaU
Video
Transcript
These are auto-generated YouTube captions, so names and numbers are likely misheard.
Transcript
00:00of my changes in
00:10>> Is there any discussion?
00:13>> [clears throat]
00:13>> You may record your vote.
00:16I have six in the affirmative, so that's
00:18a unanimous decision.
00:21And it is approved.
00:23Uh we're now down to uh
00:26recognitions and presentations. I
00:28recognize our uh deputy city manager,
00:31Eddie Bowling.
00:33>> Mr. Mayor, if it's okay, I may present
00:35from here because my computer is going
00:36to die as soon as I unplug it. I didn't
00:38realize that before.
00:39>> Um I would ask that Chuck George come
00:41up. We're going to kind of walk through
00:42the Kern Street of redevelopment uh
00:44process.
00:46Um so you'll see in front of you the
00:48Kern Street redevelopment. What we
00:50wanted to provide with you was uh three
00:52different concepts. Uh Michael, Chuck,
00:54and I are here to answer any questions
00:55you may have, so we'll kind of walk
00:56through this very short presentation to
00:58give you some um respective concepts for
01:01the neighborhood. Um so what we want to
01:03do is talk about house production. Um
01:05before you today, we have three
01:06different options. One is a 20-house
01:08option, one is an 18-house option, and
01:11the last one is a 20-house option.
01:13Originally during our discussions, you
01:15would looked at a 20-house option. Um so
01:17we were able to bring you three separate
01:19options.
01:20Uh for context, we are now live
01:23streaming, so we're good from that
01:24perspective. Um we want to talk about
01:26different types of ownership structures,
01:29um whether it's an HOA
01:31uh or it's property owned by the
01:32individual.
01:34Um talk about infrastructure burden,
01:36whether it's a city-owned street or a uh
01:38neighborhood-owned street. Uh what
01:40zoning path is necessary, and talk about
01:42long-term maintenance.
01:45Um so option one, two, and three are all
01:47presented here, and I'll break them down
01:48individually, uh the different concepts
01:50and plat plan alternatives. And
01:52obviously, Chuck will be here to answer
01:53any questions you may have.
01:56Number one is the highest density, so
01:58it's a condominium style neighborhood.
02:00Um it puts 24 units on the property. You
02:03can see there's a common area in between
02:06um the row of homes that face Kern
02:08Street and then a row of homes that face
02:10the new driveway.
02:12This produces the highest yield of homes
02:14in the property on the area. Um so
02:16there's no individual lot lines, the
02:18gardens and common areas will be
02:19maintained by an HOA.
02:21Um private driveways for the residents
02:23and it's not a public city street that
02:26crosses over from Cates to Leonard.
02:29Um and that would be an expected to move
02:31forward in the condominium style
02:32ordinance pathway. Um
02:35it does produce a higher yield, still
02:37has to go for the Board of Adjustments
02:39for Planning Board uh for adoption, but
02:42it does give you additional homes. Um
02:44this is worth mentioning um that it does
02:48produce some 900 square foot homes
02:50facing the driveway area that faces the
02:53Cates Avenue area.
02:54However, because it's HOA maintained,
02:58all of the property being maintained by
02:59the HOA it'd have the highest HOA cost.
03:02And so in in the essence if we're trying
03:04to run down the price of a home
03:07ownership or living in a neighborhood,
03:09then this may have an effect. You know,
03:11we increase density, however, because
03:13they're maintaining the storm water
03:14pond,
03:15uh and then the public areas or the the
03:17neighborhood areas around the homes,
03:19there may be higher than normal HOA fees
03:21because of that.
03:23>> [snorts]
03:24>> Option two is a traditional individual
03:26lot plan, so they would own their own
03:27lots, they would own their own home. Uh
03:29there's 18 units and as you can probably
03:31see it may be challenging, but um these
03:34are all based on 1,200 square foot
03:35homes.
03:37And um it does produce the lowest yield
03:40out of all three options. Um you do have
03:42individual home ownership, so they do
03:44maintain their yard. Uh there's a new
03:46internal roadway that would be a public
03:48city street that goes from Cates Avenue
03:51to Leonard. It does meet the R-6
03:53framework with two exceptions. One,
03:56uh rear yard setback, and then minimum
03:58lot size. We would have to go to the
04:00Board of Adjustments for those things.
04:03Um
04:04Chuck, do you want to talk about the pud
04:06and that way we can kind of talk about
04:07it that's direction. Uh this is
04:09applicable for option two and three.
04:11>> Well, basically we would have to create
04:13an ordinance
04:14for cluster development
04:16uh to be able to reduce the size of the
04:20uh square footage of the lots for the
04:22homes to be built on. And then the
04:24frontage of the
04:25uh the property line as well. Maybe
04:27reduce it down to a 35-ft street front
04:30or something of that sort depending on
04:32the details of the concept we want to go
04:34with.
04:36>> Okay.
04:37Okay.
04:38>> Option three um is moderate density
04:40small lot plan again. So, this reduces
04:42lot size down it mimics some of what you
04:45saw in option one. So, we get some homes
04:47that are around the 900 sq ft area. Uh
04:49but it does get to the 20 yield that you
04:51originally talked about having. Uh this
04:54um does again have individual home
04:56ownership uh where they'll maintain
04:58their yards. It is a city public street.
05:01Um there would be relief required for
05:02rear setbacks, lot size, and then also
05:05for frontage. Um as Chuck mentioned, I
05:07think the frontage was 50 ft we would
05:09have to drop it down to probably 35 ft.
05:11>> Mhm.
05:11>> Um so, it does balance density and it
05:13balances home ownership.
05:16So, um
05:17again, I think you could do a planned
05:19unit development on option three as
05:20well, correct, Chuck?
05:21>> Correct.
05:22>> And um
05:24so, I think that's obviously an option.
05:26Depends on what density you're looking
05:27for.
05:27>> the HOA. How much are you talking about
05:30from the HOA fee standpoint?
05:32>> It's hard to
05:33>> sure on that what the fees would be.
05:35>> It's going to be hard to say, but again,
05:37if we're trying to drive down the cost
05:38of home ownership, that's that's another
05:40factor that we know will be there.
05:42Um we've talked about we saw other units
05:44at 50 $50 a month to $100 a month. We
05:48expected it would be on the higher end
05:50because not only are they maintaining
05:51the exterior of the structure, the lots,
05:53the sidewalks that goes in between, and
05:56then additionally the um storm water
05:57pond. So, there's a lot to think a lot
05:59of things that need to be maintained um
06:02as a result of that.
06:03We don't have that number. Again, it's
06:05something you can look at if you choose
06:07to.
06:07Uh
06:08>> Doug, in comparison, think about Royal
06:11Manor out on 62. Royal Manor, those are
06:13patio homes. I think there's 52 doors
06:16there. I'm doing that by memory.
06:19They were maintaining the exteriors of
06:22the structures. They were maintaining
06:24sidewalks, and they're in charge of
06:25maintaining their streets. They do not
06:27have the funds to keep up their streets.
06:29Their HOA dues are currently $100 a
06:31month. They could not afford to maintain
06:33the exteriors of the property, so
06:35they've had to amend their covenants to
06:37make the actual homeowners responsible
06:39for uh
06:40taking care of the exteriors. And it's
06:42been an issue. But there if if there's
06:45street issues, there's not going to be
06:46any money there to to repair those
06:47streets. And that's at $100 a month, so
06:49that's just something to think about.
06:53Um so, we wanted to talk about the three
06:55different options, put them in front of
06:56you just all on a one-pager, so you can
06:58kind of give you an idea of what we're
06:59[clears throat] looking at. Um
07:02Michael, uh Chuck and I did talk about
07:04what options we thought would probably
07:06best for the neighborhood. We talked
07:07about option two and option three
07:09primarily because it does meet the
07:11council goals for homeownership. Option
07:15three does reduce the size of some of
07:17the properties to around a 900 square
07:18foot home, which was also a priority of
07:21council. Uh they are cottage style
07:23homes. Um we think that would be the
07:25most cost affordable um while trying to
07:28meet the intent of putting 20 lots on
07:30the property.
07:33And happy to entertain questions, uh but
07:36our goal today is to come up with a head
07:38nod or majority vote of council to say
07:41we like option one, two, or three. We
07:43would go back to McGill to begin the
07:45development
07:46uh and then proceed forward with the and
07:48try to break ground within 12 months.
07:51>> Perfect. I'm excited about this. This
07:53has been a long time coming with this
07:54project. Um and I appreciate this
07:56breakdown you gave for us, Eddie.
07:58Personally, I'm with, you know, hearing
07:59some of the
08:01set priorities that we've met, option
08:02three just sounds the most feasible with
08:04really helping ensure that we can
08:06increase that home ownership while also
08:08giving some of that diversity within the
08:09housing um for some of those working
08:11families. Um so, personally, I think um
08:14option three is going to be really more
08:15beneficial for us.
08:17Um and then if I had to choose a second
08:18favorite, I guess that'd be option two.
08:20>> I'm okay with either two or three.
08:22>> How many of the homes in option three
08:25are the like 900 square feet versus the
08:28>> There's
08:29uh eight plus three, six, nine across
08:31the front
08:32>> Okay.
08:32>> uh that face the new street, which is
08:34where Kate's Avenue is.
08:35>> Okay.
08:36>> That's in option three.
08:37>> Okay.
08:38And the rest of them are
08:40>> Yeah, so when you look at the back,
08:41you'll see those are 30 by 40, so those
08:43are 1,200 square feet and there's seven
08:45across the back.
08:47And then four uh adjacent to the
08:49stormwater pond. It's kind of
08:50challenging to see on this slide.
08:52>> No, it's great.
08:58>> They're one and two bedroom homes.
09:01>> I like the two different sizes.
09:02>> I'm good with that.
09:04I'm good with that.
09:08>> That's a public street.
09:12And we just need to
09:13adjust our ordinance, probably create a
09:15pad for this area or cluster development
09:18for each type homes to meet the minimum
09:19square footage of 3,340
09:22ft that's being requested here.
09:25And then uh 18th uh
09:26reducing a setback to 18 ft, maybe 15 ft
09:30instead of a 25 minute requirement on
09:32our ordinance.
09:33>> Do you want to listen?
09:35>> So, really not the
09:37the only
09:39difference between
09:41the only difference really between two
09:43and three
09:45would be
09:47the number of units and some of them
09:49would be just a little smaller in the
09:51front than the ones in the back.
09:53>> Correct. Yeah. Yeah, so the road
09:54frontage on option three gets smaller
09:57because you're increasing the density by
09:59two homes.
10:00>> Okay.
10:01>> Correct.
10:03>> And I think we talked about this
10:05already, but we would not probably be
10:06able to start in like the upper right
10:09corner
10:11until the whole site has been graded and
10:14prepped, right?
10:15>> That's going to be a decision by McGill
10:17cuz because they have so many things
10:19they have to go in to it. I don't know
10:22if they go to the planning board and
10:23approve it all at one time. Chuck, do
10:24you want to speak to that?
10:26>> Normally the
10:27development this sort of goes to the
10:29planning board for approval first. Uh
10:31they have to see uh the
10:33preliminary of the project and normally
10:36they'll go ahead and do the complete
10:37construction plan
10:39for Once that's approved, then the
10:40complete construction plan would be
10:41done. But it could be broken up in phase
10:43once the construction plans are
10:45completed and approved. You can uh do
10:47that per station as phase one, then uh
10:49lower
10:50the middle section as phase two, and
10:52then the lower section maybe as phase
10:54three, but the pond and the
10:56going probably at that point in time
10:58because you can That's when you get your
11:00high density once you start developing
11:02the lower portion of the property.
11:11>> You mean two or I I like three. I like
11:13the the variety of options.
11:15Um
11:16personally, that's my number one.
11:20>> I have a question.
11:21Would that storm water pond back there,
11:25would that help with the issue that
11:29Nat was talking about at the cemetery.
11:34>> No.
11:36That's the collection of the water just
11:37from this site.
11:39>> Okay.
11:42We talked about this I think at like my
11:44very first council meeting.
11:46And I'm so excited.
11:48It's going to be awesome.
11:51>> We're excited to do something like it's
11:52the first time we've been able to
11:53develop an airport. So we're very
11:54excited to
11:55>> This is
11:56This is not something that towns of
11:58Thomasville size typically do. So,
12:01good job.
12:09>> Looking at show of hands to see
12:11where we're at to give them some
12:12directions. So I would definitely put
12:14that vote out there for option three to
12:16give us some of that variety of sub that
12:18housing while also providing still those
12:2120 units.
12:32>> That's great. That's the direction we
12:33need. We appreciate it. We'll get with
12:34Miguel and move forward in that
12:36direction. Thank you.
12:37Yes.
12:43We're now down to regular agenda for
12:45this evening and these do require votes.
12:48So the
12:504A is consideration of contract with CPL
12:54for
12:54architectural and engineering design
12:57services for the Regi- Registrickland
13:00Community Center and Carver Park
13:02project. Mr. City Manager.
13:06>> Thank you, Mayor.
13:08This is the contract basically for
13:11establishing both the detailed
13:14engineering design work that has to be
13:15done
13:16based on the preliminary work that that
13:18you've approved
13:20and the construction management once we
13:22get it under contract. So it's so this
13:25is a contract for $365,480
13:29with CPL to manage those two portions.
13:34That
13:35That's about Well, we're figuring about
13:378% of the cost of construction and
13:41which is in line with typical services
13:43of this sort. We've had success with
13:46CPL. We've They've already been doing
13:49phase one work.
13:50So, we do recommend that you approve
13:53this contract. And this allows us to
13:56start the next phase and they are doing
13:59going to be doing their best to meet our
14:00time frame so that we can expend the
14:05grant funds
14:06as fast as possible which of course this
14:09would be part of the grant funds this
14:11cost.
14:13So, I ask for you to approve that this
14:15evening.
14:15>> Okay, what's pleasure of council?
14:17>> Mr. Mayor, I make a motion that we
14:19approve the contract for CPL for
14:20architecture and engineering design
14:22services for the Regional Strickland
14:23Center.
14:25>> Second.
14:26>> Okay, we have a motion second any
14:27discussion?
14:32Okay, you may record your votes.
14:36I have six zeros so that has been
14:38approved.
14:41Item 4B is consideration of temporary
14:44road closure ordinances
14:46for Chair City Christmas and Star
14:48Bethlehem Drive-Through Nativity.
14:52Mr. City Manager.
14:53>> Thank you, sir. These are
14:56events that have going have been going
14:58on for a couple of years. Well, the Star
15:01Bethlehem for many years the Chair City
15:03for the last couple years
15:05in our organization. They're They're
15:06requesting the same street closures as
15:09they have in past years
15:11and do recommend approval for these two.
15:14And again, the reason why we're
15:15approving it tonight is that we have to
15:17submit these to the state because the
15:19state roads are being closed and we're
15:21close to the timing
15:23where that will be an issue if we don't
15:24get them approved.
15:26>> Okay.
15:27All right, having heard this uh what's
15:29the pleasure of council?
15:31>> Mr. Mayor, I'm
15:32uh move that we approve the temporary
15:34road closures for Star of Bethlehem and
15:38Light Up the Holidays.
15:39>> Is there a second?
15:40>> Second.
15:41>> Chair City Chair
15:42>> Chair City
15:43>> We've already done Light Up the
15:44Holidays.
15:44>> Oh, god. Chair City Christmas.
15:46>> Lots of fun.
15:47>> Yay.
15:49>> Who's that?
15:53>> Just pick one.
15:55>> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any
15:57discussion?
16:00Okay, you may vote.
16:03And I have six zeros, so that has been
16:06approved.
16:07Uh next item for our meeting next week
16:09will be the public forum.
16:11It'll be a 2-minute time limit for the
16:13subject of the speaker's choice.
16:16Uh
16:17item six, recognition and presentations.
16:20Uh we will have a resolution uh in
16:22support of the green light for veterans,
16:25November 3rd through 10th.
16:27Uh
16:29Council member Doug Hunt will do that
16:30one.
16:32We have a domestic violence
16:34proclamation, uh Council member Lisa
16:36Shell
16:37will do that one.
16:38And we have a proclamation learning
16:41disability awareness month, Council
16:43member Jacquelyn Johnson will do that
16:45one.
16:45Thank y'all very much.
16:47Okay, we're now down to our consent
16:49agenda. I'm going to recognize our city
16:51manager once again to take us through
16:53the remainder of this.
16:54>> Uh can I just ask a question about the
16:56the three uh resolutions? Uh
16:59we'll light up uh city hall with green
17:02lights during the the period 3rd through
17:0510th. Uh right now we're lit up with
17:07pink lights. Uh we may change that to
17:09orange or purple or something for
17:11Halloween. Um
17:13for domestic violence, is there a color
17:16>> Purple.
17:17>> Purple, that's what I was I was thinking
17:18it was purple but I wasn't positive.
17:20Um so after we do the green lights, I'll
17:23switch to purple.
17:24Um and then does anyone know does
17:27learning disability have a a color?
17:29>> It's multiple colors like a rainbow.
17:32Uh like red, orange, yellow.
17:34>> Uh we we I
17:35Can we control those individual windows,
17:38Eddie, uh with different lights?
17:40>> Yeah, we'll change them when we want.
17:41>> Okay, so we'll at some point in in some
17:44point in November we'll we'll transfer
17:46to it
17:47that to celebrate that.
17:49>> That's in October.
17:51>> Is that Oh, in October. Well, let's see.
17:53Green lights in November, domestic
17:55violence is is This This month. Okay, so
17:58then we'll switch
18:00we'll switch um sometime between the
18:0215th and 20th to to purple and run it
18:05for the rest of the month. And then
18:07disability Oh, no.
18:10Oh, man. There's too many things going
18:11on. All right, we'll figure it out.
18:13>> So can we do them I mean I'm I'm okay if
18:16y'all are okay with like doing purple
18:18for a week and then switch it over to
18:21Jaquesa's and then y'all can for a week
18:23and then um
18:24>> Yeah, we've already been doing it for
18:2710 days
18:28for for
18:29>> And folks have been loving it. So I I I
18:31love the little creative idea with the
18:32LED lights. It really is awesome.
18:34>> Okay. All right, we'll do 10 10 10.
18:37See if that'll work out.
18:39All right.
18:40>> All right, sounds good.
18:42>> Well, we don't have to worry about
18:46green light until November.
18:48>> Right.
18:51>> So okay.
18:54Okay, I'm sorry. Uh consent agenda. So
18:57the two items on your consent agenda are
18:59consideration of minutes of the briefing
19:01and committee meetings uh from September
19:0314th. That's item A. Item B is
19:06consideration of minutes of the council
19:07meeting September 21st um 2026.
19:12And then uh,
19:13then your regular agenda for, uh, next
19:16month, excuse me, next week is, um,
19:19item A is consideration of budget
19:21amendment 2027-P4-01.
19:24Uh, Thomas A. Vantis here. Uh, this was
19:27not on the committees because action at
19:29the committee affected this. So, give
19:32you a quick overview.
19:34>> Good afternoon, Mayor and Council.
19:36>> Thank you.
19:36>> This budget amendment is added, um, to
19:38appropriate or to transfer $60,000 from
19:41general fund contingency for the
19:42government relations, uh, contractual
19:44agreement. And it also appropriates
19:47$800, uh, of contributions for the Light
19:50Up the Holidays event in the
19:51beautification fund.
19:55>> Thank you.
19:56>> Would you like that to be
19:57consent?
19:58>> Consent or regular agenda?
20:00>> I'm voting consent.
20:01>> So, this No, regular. Um, so, this
20:03budget amendment, is it going to be,
20:05uh, together?
20:07>> No, that Well, it's one budget
20:09amendment. Um,
20:10yes, so, it would be together.
20:12>> Is no way to split the two? Like, how
20:15are we, cuz if if we vote or don't or
20:18disagree with one of the
20:19items, but want the transfer for the
20:22money?
20:23>> We If that's the case, then we could go
20:26ahead and divide it into two different
20:27budget amendments.
20:30That's just paperwork.
20:33>> Okay.
20:34>> Yeah.
20:35All right, so,
20:37note, two different
20:39two different items, both on regular. Do
20:42you want both of them on regular?
20:44>> Yes.
20:44>> Okay.
20:46So, it'll be A1 and A2 for right now.
20:49Yeah, just separate the two items.
20:52And when do we label label the first one
20:54A and the second one would become B on
20:56the regular or, yeah, on regular.
21:06Okay.
21:07Um, item B is consideration of award of
21:10service and maintenance contract for
21:11sewer line cleaning and CCTV TV inspect
21:15inspection.
21:19Consent?
21:21All right.
21:24Uh item C is consideration of amendment
21:27to the Main Street map.
21:29>> Regular.
21:34>> Okay.
21:36Item D is consideration of vehicle
21:38safety and telematics program policy.
21:41>> Regular.
21:43>> Okay.
21:45>> [snorts]
21:46>> Item E is consideration of amendment to
21:48special event approval process and
21:50application.
21:52>> Consent.
21:54>> Okay.
21:57Item F is consideration of street naming
22:00and address assignment ordinance.
22:02>> Regular.
22:07>> Item G is consideration of amendment to
22:09animal control ordinance.
22:11>> Regular.
22:12>> What you say?
22:13>> Regular.
22:21>> Um item H consideration of amendment to
22:24loading zone ordinance.
22:26>> Consent.
22:27>> Consent.
22:31>> And item I is call for public hearing
22:34regarding economic development grant for
22:35project bagel on November 16th.
22:39>> Regular.
22:46>> Okay, those are the items that I have. I
22:48will read over uh the
22:50consent and regular to confirm.
22:53Um consent agenda will be 7 A and B.
22:58And also 8
23:00B as currently written
23:03uh E
23:05and H.
23:07Uh everything else will be on regular.
23:10Everybody agree?
23:11>> [laughter]
23:11>> Okay.
23:13Okay.
23:14>> Give it back to you, Mayor.
23:15>> Okay, thank you very much. Then we'll
23:18after the uh agenda items are taken care
23:20of, we'll do our uh committee reports
23:22and assignments.
23:24And
23:26we will have a closed session for
23:28personnel
23:30on the next Monday.
23:32So, that takes us down to item E,
23:35additions and updates. Does anyone have
23:37anything for
23:40additions or updates?
23:43Okay, we're down to adjourned. Do I have
23:44a motion to adjourn?
23:46>> So moved.
23:47>> Second.
23:47>> I have a motion and a second.
23:50All in favor, say aye.
23:51>> Aye.
23:52>> Opposed, no.
23:54We're adjourned.
23:56>> Just a reminder,
23:57tomorrow I will be at a conference in
23:59Miami.
24:00Thursday and Friday, Friday I'm out of
24:02town
