2026-10-02 - Board of Aldermen

00:17The board will now come to order. Mr.

00:19Clerk, please call the role.

00:22Alman Schwicer,

00:25Alman Odenberg,

00:29Alman Conn,

00:33Alman Ryan,

00:36Alman Devote,

00:40Autooman Velasquez,

00:42>> present,

00:44alloman Sonier,

00:48alloman Cox

00:52Alman Browning,

00:56>> auto woman Clark Hubbert

01:00Keys,

01:04Autooman Tus,

01:09Boyd

01:12>> present.

01:15>> Ottoman Aldridge,

01:17president. Green

01:18>> present.

01:21>> Alman Odenberg.

01:25Alman Kong

01:27>> present.

01:32>> Aloman Sieroman

01:37Cox

01:41Keys.

01:47Okay,

01:51>> we have 13 present.

01:54>> Accoring being present, we will dispense

01:56with line items three and four. Any

01:59introduction of honored guests? Any

02:01introduction of honored guests?

02:04Alderwoman from the 11th.

02:06>> Good morning. Good morning. I just

02:08happened to look up into the gallery and

02:11so surprised to see committee man of the

02:1513th ward, Chris Carter senior. Take a

02:20bow, good sir.

02:25Thank you.

02:27Alderwoman from the 12th.

02:33Alderwoman, I think your mic is not on.

03:13Okay, this starts flashing again.

03:22>> I'll put it at the top so it won't get

03:25testing. Okay, good morning. I have lots

03:28of honored guests. First of all, I

03:30wanted to uh thank all the people who

03:32came out to the hearing we had uh

03:34yesterday, health and human committee.

03:36We had lots of people and then I had

03:38lots of people who called and said they

03:39couldn't get on to the call and um

03:42they're really excited that we were able

03:44to have a really good meeting about

03:46vacant uh about grass cutting in the

03:49city of St. Louis and the whole

03:51procedure that's been broken for a very

03:53long time. and not only grass cutting.

03:55The whole job of what forestry does is

03:57trimming trees back, trimming brush and

03:59all of that. So, that was wonderful.

04:01We're actually taking this uh act out on

04:04the road because so many people felt

04:06like that they didn't get a chance. So,

04:08we will be having them in wards and

04:11communities of people who are concerned

04:13about it. Um, also I want to thank uh

04:16Ali May Stewart

04:19right back here.

04:22>> [applause]

04:24>> She has been my friend for a long time.

04:26She's also I've worked with her with

04:28Southside um uh the Southside Community

04:31Center and I've been one of her special

04:34waiters, waitresses rather, and we had a

04:37lot of people that I invited. Some never

04:39came, but they always used the

04:41opportunity to try to act like they did.

04:43But there are others that came and we

04:45served the seniors. We have pictures of

04:48those who came and we have pictures of

04:50those who use the situation but don't

04:52come. And then I want to say Chris

04:54Carter Jr. senior Chris Carter senior my

04:59longtime friend. Now he's the uh

05:01committeeman of the 13th ward but he was

05:03the committee man of the 27th ward. We

05:06have a long political alliance um going

05:10back even before him with his mother.

05:13And I want to thank all the people who

05:14have been so worried about me. And I

05:18want to tell you, please don't worry

05:19about me. I'm not scared of what

05:22anything, especially people who don't

05:24follow the rules, okay? And don't

05:26understand the rules. I'm not

05:28frightened. Nobody is going to censure

05:30me. Nobody's going to do anything to me.

05:33Those who try to go above the rules will

05:36find out that the charter, the rules,

05:39and the US Constitution, give people

05:42rights. You can pass a resolution. You

05:45have every right to that. But you will

05:47not be censoring or reprimmending me cuz

05:50our rules or chartered don't allow for

05:52it. And so for those people who think

05:54that that's going to be okay, it is not.

05:57But you are worrying my community and

05:59they are calling me. I couldn't get out

06:01of the house today. for the people who

06:03are worried about me. If you take a

06:05stroll with me, you will see the people

06:07in the all out where I go out. THEY'RE

06:09LIKE, "MISS TYUS, hang in there. Don't

06:12you apologize if you didn't do it." You

06:15all are um going to do what you're going

06:17to do and then I'm going to do what I

06:19going to do. But I am not scared. I am

06:21good. And I appreciate all of the

06:24support from the people around the city.

06:26I have a reputation that I have had for

06:29a long time. Nobody believes in what

06:32they are trying to do and I'm not

06:34reprimanded. I'm not censured because we

06:37don't have it. And thank you for all the

06:39support.

06:43>> Alderman from the ninth.

06:47[clears throat]

06:47>> Thank you. Uh I'd like to have Sarah

06:50Mangapora as my honored guest. Sarah is

06:53going to be our new building

06:54commissioner here at the city. uh the

06:56first woman to ever hold a position, but

06:58also she's been a a longtime friend of

07:00mine, someone I've known in the

07:02neighborhood where I live uh ever since

07:04I moved to St. Louis. So, I know her to

07:07be a fierce community advocate and a

07:10true public servant, and I'm looking

07:11forward to the things we're going to get

07:13done here at the city. So, welcome to

07:15our new building commissioner.

07:23>> No, older woman from the first

07:30Thank you, Madam President, and members

07:31of the board. Uh, today I would like to

07:34have my honored guest uh to be my

07:36husband, Jimmy Quinn. It is our

07:38four-year wedding ann

07:40uh [applause]

07:44I've made a lot of decisions in my life,

07:45but that was certainly the best one. So,

07:47happy anniversary, babe. A

07:53any further introduction of honored

07:55guests, alderman from the 14th.

07:59>> Thank you, Madam President, members of

08:00the board. As my honored guest, uh this

08:02itty bitty one just turned five months

08:06this uh week. As my honor guest, I would

08:08like to have Theo, your little uh child,

08:11Madam President, as my honor guest. And

08:13happy five, not five weeks, five months.

08:15Five months uh this week. So, happy five

08:17months to Theo. And I love to have him

08:18as my honor guest. So, thank you.

08:20>> Thank you.

08:23I'm sure he's watching from home.

08:25[laughter]

08:27Any further introduction of honored

08:29guests?

08:30Seeing none, alderwoman from the 10th,

08:32you are recognized on the approval of

08:34minutes from Friday, September 25th,

08:362026.

08:38>> Thank you, Madam President. Members of

08:40the board, I move that we approve the

08:42minutes from Friday, September 25th,

08:442026.

08:45>> Second.

08:46It's been moved by the alderwoman from

08:48the 10th, seconded by the alderwoman

08:49from the 11th that we approve the

08:51minutes from Friday, September 25th,

08:522026. Is there any discussion?

08:56>> Seeing none, all those in favor signify

08:58by saying I.

08:59>> I.

09:00>> Opposed?

09:02Motion carries.

09:04Report of city officials.

09:05>> The report of the city officials can be

09:07found on A, B, C, and D of the agenda

09:11and has been placed in the Google Drive

09:12for your review.

09:15Office of the Mayor. I have the pleasure

09:17to submit the following individuals for

09:19appointment to the Baiten Market Center

09:22Special Business District, the

09:24appointment of Kimberly Jones, Teresa

09:26Meyers, Tamara Keefe, Larry Johnson, and

09:30the appointment of Tiana Broadway. I

09:32respectfully request your approval of

09:34these appointments. Sincerely, Carol

09:36Spencer Mayor.

09:38Alderwoman from the 12th, you're

09:40recognized on Mayor Spencer's

09:41appointments to the Bayen Markin Center

09:43Special Business District.

09:45>> Yes. I request that we send the

09:47appointments to the proper committee. I

09:50think it is probably HUDs, but I'm not

09:52sure.

09:54>> Yes.

09:57>> Thank you.

09:58>> Is there a second?

10:00It's been moved by the alderwoman from

10:02the 12th, seconded by the alderwoman

10:03from the 11th that we send Mayor

10:05Spencer's appointments to the Bayen

10:07Market Center Special Business District

10:09to the HUDs committee. Is there any

10:11discussion?

10:13Seeing none, all those in favor signify

10:15by saying I.

10:17>> Opposed?

10:19>> Motion carries.

10:25I have the pleasure to submit the

10:26following individuals for appointment to

10:28the Nuisen property nuisance property

10:30review board. The appointment of Alonzo

10:32Shaw, Amber Cole, Bernard Pottery, Ed

10:37Wear, Kelsey Lober, Vanna Shawn, and

10:41Walter Bonnley Bonner. I respectfully

10:43request your approval of these

10:44appointments. Sincerely, Cara Spencer,

10:47Mayor. Older woman from the 10th, you

10:49are recognized of Mayor Spencer's

10:50appointments to the Nuisance Property

10:52Review Board.

10:53>> Thank you, Madam President. Members of

10:55the board, I move that we hear the

10:58Nuisance Property Review Board

11:00appointees in the HUDs committee.

11:02>> It's been moved by the alderwoman from

11:04the 10th, seconded by the alderman from

11:06the 14th that we send Mayor Spence

11:08appointments to the Nuisance Property

11:10Review Board to the HUDs Committee. Is

11:12there any discussion?

11:14Seeing none, all those in favor signify

11:16by saying I.

11:18>> I.

11:19>> Opposed. Motion carries.

11:23We will dispense with nine items 9, 10,

11:27and 11. First reading of board bills.

11:30>> Board bill 86 sponsored by Autowoman

11:32Clark Hubard. A board bill recommen

11:35recommended by the board of estimate and

11:36a portionment authorizing the mayor to

11:39submit the two 2027 annual action plan

11:42to the United States Department of

11:44Housing and Urban Development.

11:46authorizing and directing the mayor and

11:48the controller to enter into and execute

11:50agreements with her for the receipt of

11:52the 2027 community development block

11:55home investment partnership,

11:572027 emergency solutions grant and the

12:002027 housing opportunities for persons

12:03with AIDS funds appropriating CB CDBG

12:07home ESG and HOPE grant funds

12:10authorizing the directors of the

12:12community development administration of

12:14human service Department of Human

12:16Services and the Department of Health to

12:18make, negotiate, and execute contracts

12:21as may be necessary to expend funds and

12:24containing the severability and

12:26emergency clauses.

12:28Board bill 87 sponsored by Alman Arges

12:31and President Green. An ordinance

12:33revising and amending ordinance number

12:3562885

12:37is amended by ordinance 71656 and

12:41ordinance 71789

12:43which imposes a 1/ half of 1% sales tax

12:46known as a capital improvement sales tax

12:48on all retail sales made in the city of

12:51St. Louis which is subject to taxation

12:54under the provision of sections 144.010

12:59010 to 144.525

13:02revised statutes of Missouri and

13:04providing for

13:07the allocation of such funds for the

13:09purpose of funding capital improvements

13:11including allocations for ward capital

13:13improvements so that allocations for

13:15ward capital improvements for each ward

13:17shall be made based on each ward's needs

13:19such as need to be determined pursuant

13:22to an additional analysis of the

13:23following data points for each ward

13:26median household income vacant parcel

13:29street miles and ward acreage and for

13:31bianial re reallocation of funds in ward

13:34sub accounts in excess of 800,000 except

13:37as otherwise provided herein and

13:40containing a severability clause. This

13:42extended the first reading of board

13:44bills

13:46>> reference to committee of board bills

13:48>> to the housing urban urban development

13:50and zoning committee board bill 86 to

13:53the public infrastructure utilities

13:55committee board bill 87. This is the

13:58extent of the reference committees board

14:00bills.

14:01>> Second reading report of standing

14:02committees.

14:04>> The following board bill was reported

14:05out of the housing urban development and

14:07zoning committee with the due pass

14:09recommendation. Board bill 81 sponsored

14:11by alderman Odenberg, alderwoman swiper,

14:14alderman con, alderman de vote,

14:17alderwoman son, alderwoman Clark

14:19Harbert, and alderman Aldridge. an

14:21ordinance recommended by the planning

14:23commission amending the text of the

14:25zoning code to define and regulate smoke

14:28shops in the city of St. Louis and

14:30containing severability clause and

14:31emergency clause.

14:33The following board bill was reported

14:35out in the public infrastructure

14:37utilities committee with a due pass

14:38recommendation. Board Bill 64, sponsored

14:41by Alderwoman Sonier. An ordinance

14:43directing the directive streets to

14:45permanently close, barricade, or

14:47otherwise impede the flow of traffic of

14:49the 2800 block of Oregon Avenue by

14:52blocking said traffic flow at Pesalloi

14:54Street 120 ft north of the east co line

14:57of Oregon Avenue.

15:00The following board bill was reported

15:01out of the health and human development

15:03committee with the due pass

15:04recommendation. Board bill 76 sponsored

15:07by Aldwoman Sier and artist to codify

15:10the office of sustainability

15:12within planning and urban design agency

15:15authorizing a sustainability director.

15:18This extended the second reading and

15:20report of standing committees.

15:21>> Mr. Clerk, please make sure I'm listed

15:23as a co-sponsor on 81 and 76.

15:27>> Noted. Thank you.

15:29report of special committees.

15:34>> We have none.

15:36>> Uh perfection consent calendar,

15:39>> board bill 69, committee sub and board

15:42bill 71 and board bill 51 committee

15:45committee sub.

15:49>> They need to be read.

15:50>> Okay. World 69, community subs,

15:54sponsored by Alwoman Sonia, pursuant to

15:56ordinance number 7033 as amended by

15:59ordinance number 71394,

16:02an ordinance directing the directive of

16:03streets to install street humps to calm

16:05the flow of traffic on various blocks

16:07throughout the seventh ward. Port Bill

16:0971 sponsored by Alman Devotei pursuant

16:12to ordinance number 7033

16:15as amended by ordinance number 71394

16:18and orders directing the director of

16:19streets to install speed humps to calm

16:22the flow of traffic on various blocks in

16:23the fifth ward. In board bill 51,

16:27committee subsponsored by Alman Con, an

16:30ordinance recommended by the estimate of

16:32aortionment

16:33authorizing the directing the

16:35authorizing and directing the issuance

16:37and establishment of terms and the sale

16:38of airport revenue bonds not to exceed

16:41$500 million to finance the cost of

16:44making improvements to the airport and

16:46refunding subordinate indebtedness,

16:49funding any required credit enhancement,

16:51capitalized interest, and the payment of

16:53costs of issuance.

16:55appointing a trustee and approving and

16:57authorizing the preparation, execution,

17:00and delivery of documents and actions.

17:02Approving a proposed third reinstated

17:05indenture, repealing inconsistent prior

17:07ordinances, and containing severability

17:10and emergency clauses.

17:14That is the state of the profession

17:16consent calendar. Mr. Mr. Clerk, if you

17:19could please make sure that I am listed

17:20as a co-sponsor on board Bill 51,

17:23committee substitute.

17:24>> We do. Thank you.

17:26>> Alderwoman from the 10th, you are

17:27recognized in the motion to adopt the

17:28board bills for the perfection consent

17:30calendar.

17:33>> Thank you, Madam President. Members of

17:34the board, I move that we adopt the

17:35board bills for perfection calendar.

17:38>> It's been moved by the alderwoman from

17:39the 10th, second by the alderwoman from

17:41the 11th that we adopt the board bills

17:43consent calendar. Is there any

17:44discussion?

17:47Seeing none, all those in favor signify

17:49by saying I.

17:50>> I.

17:51>> Opposed.

17:53Motion carries. Mr. Clerk, if you could

17:55please send uh board bills 69, committee

17:58substitute and 51, committee substitute

18:01to legislation and rules for

18:02engrossment.

18:04>> Thank you.

18:05>> Board bills for perfection.

18:08>> Board bill number 75 sponsored by Alwin

18:11Browning. An ordinance pertaining to a

18:13neighborhood implementation traffic

18:14caling system in the city of St. Louis

18:17and establishing procedures for

18:19constituent request for traffic calming

18:21and the process of implementation

18:23containing definitions of effective date

18:25and a civility clause.

18:26>> Alderman from the ninth, you're

18:28recognized on the perfection of board

18:29bill 75.

18:34>> Thank you, Madame President. Uh so board

18:36bill 75 uh well first I I move that we

18:40uh perfect board bill 75. Second.

18:45>> It's been moved by the alderman from the

18:469th, seconded by the alderwoman from the

18:4811th that we perfect board bill 75.

18:51Alderman, you may proce.

18:53>> Thank you. So, board bill 75 is

18:55something that we're really uh excited

18:57to bring to you today. is something that

18:59will professionalize

19:01the traffic calling process in our city.

19:04Moving us away from uh making decisions

19:07on uh whoever happens to be in elected

19:10office and moving it towards a

19:12professionalized system where we have

19:14experts that are actually making a

19:16decision about the best way to calm

19:18traffic on our streets. Uh this new

19:22process will really democratize the

19:25entire thing in that it will allow

19:27residents to make the request,

19:29neighborhood associations to make the

19:30request. Uh it'll still allow their

19:33people to make the request, but it will

19:35also involve uh allowing RSLMPD

19:38captains to make a request. Nobody knows

19:40the streets of a ward better than the

19:42people who drive them every day. Uh so

19:45we want to make sure that we're really

19:47putting this in the hands of the people

19:49so that the most dangerous places in our

19:50city are getting addressed with the best

19:53method possible. One thing this bill

19:55does is that instead of having us have

19:57to do a board bill for every speed hump.

20:00Uh this allows the department to analyze

20:03the request for some kind of traffic

20:05calming. And most the time a speed hump

20:08might be the appropriate solution but

20:10sometimes there's going to be a

20:11different solution that's necessary. And

20:13so we want to put this in the hands of

20:15the experts so that we can get the right

20:17kind of treatment that actually does

20:19help our streets uh become safer for

20:22everybody who uses them. Uh we also

20:25understand

20:26uh the history behind some of this uh

20:30work and how it has led to inequitable

20:33results across the city in the past. And

20:36so working with the department, working

20:38with the mayor's office, we've tried to

20:41put in proper reporting in place that

20:43really lets us have accountability and

20:45transparency into how these decisions

20:47are made so that people can see that

20:49requests are being made and if they're

20:51being funded or not. People can see if

20:53the request gets denied, why it was

20:54denied. Uh people can see anticipated

20:57construction timelines. Uh so we're

21:00really trying to make sure that we shine

21:02a light on this and bring some a level

21:04of transparency to it that will allow us

21:06to also hold the department accountable

21:09if it is being inequitably applied and

21:12and that at the end of the day I think

21:14is our job as legislators to make sure

21:16that we are making uh making our city

21:18safer uh in every way that we can. Uh

21:22but uh we're really hoping that this

21:24process is a good step towards the

21:26Department of Transportation which is

21:29going to continue to professionalize and

21:32continue to make our entire city safer

21:35for everybody who uses our streets and

21:37sidewalks no matter how they get around.

21:40Uh we do have one amendment today uh

21:43that uh I think the other one from the

21:457th is going to be bringing and I'll

21:47I'll let her present that. Uh but I just

21:49want to let everybody know this is a

21:50friendly amendment. This is something

21:51that her and I worked on together and uh

21:53I think this is a good addition to the

21:55bill. Uh and so I really appreciate the

21:57cooperation of my colleagues as we've

21:59been working through this to uh make

22:02sure that this can be the best bill it

22:03can be for our city. So with that, I'm

22:05happy to take any questions.

22:08>> Any further discussion?

22:11Alderwoman from the 12th.

22:15>> If the alderman from the 9th would

22:17yield.

22:17>> The alderman from the 9th yields.

22:19question from the alderwoman for 12th.

22:21>> Yes, I'd be happy to.

22:22>> Thank you. Um, so I haven't had really

22:25chance to read over everything that was

22:27in your bill and you know I read

22:29everything. Um, but I want to give you

22:31some history about me not having um any

22:35confidence in the people who you want to

22:37run these things. The reason why I'm the

22:40person that wrote the speed hump bill

22:42and I wrote the speed hump bill because

22:44we had a previous speed hump bill and

22:47they played politics with who could get

22:49speed humps. They would give them to

22:52certain people and then not certain

22:54people. There was no reason or rhyme.

22:57They also um decided they were going to

23:01charge us $900

23:04of our money to apply for a speed hump

23:08and then they could turn you down and

23:10your money was not refundable. And the

23:13whole reason that they said they wanted

23:14to do this was because speed humps was

23:18so uh hard to do that they would have to

23:21do different ones. Well, long story

23:24short, I argued all against that. uh

23:27said that was bull. Once you decide you

23:30design a speedome, basically it's the

23:32same thing. It's either wider or longer.

23:35And we did not need to pay $900 per

23:38application. If you talk to the mayor's

23:40lobbyist, Dan Gunther, he had like so

23:43many speed humps. They were going to

23:44charge him $30,000

23:46and then they were not going to let him

23:49have those speed humps. So I put it in

23:52the uh hands of the alderman because we

23:54were not being treated fairly. I mostly

23:57have all of my old ward that I had

23:59before merging I already had speed

24:01humps. So it doesn't really affect

24:03anything and and while people are

24:05worrying about my war capital, I got

24:07another 2 million out there that's going

24:09to speed humps. But how I do my speed

24:11humps is not to have some bureaucrat who

24:13doesn't live in my community because

24:16they tend to think things are okay, thus

24:19letting the grass grow 8t tall. You

24:22know, my community doesn't think that's

24:24okay. So what I do is I actually send a

24:27petition out to each person on the

24:31street saying, "Do you want speed humps

24:32or not?" And we do a neighborhood thing.

24:35And it has worked very well because Mark

24:38Twain all has speed humps. Pinrolls,

24:40except for the new part of Pinrolls I

24:42picked up, all has speed humps. Uh

24:44Kingsway West, Kingsway East, and it has

24:47cut the traffic

24:50in such amount that it's ridiculous.

24:52Lord Key, I'm sorry, Autowoman Keys from

24:55the 11th likes to make fun of my speed

24:58humps on Uclid between Martin Luther

25:01King and Natural Bridge, but the pro the

25:05we're proud that and I live in the

25:06Kingsway East neighborhood. We clocked

25:09people driving 50 and 60 miles an hour

25:12down Ucllet and we connect to Ucllet all

25:15the way over to Forest Park and I think

25:17that's your ward. We can actually go um

25:19and we're putting a trailway down Ucliff

25:21from Forest Park all the way to Pinrose

25:23Park and then down to the cemetery. Um

25:26but they were driving down 50 60 m an

25:28hour. Um with the new speed humps, they

25:32drive 20 m an hour. I I don't have time

25:35to wait for bureaucrats to decide what's

25:38good for my community. So when you're

25:40talking about people being involved,

25:41there's not one single traffic comming

25:44that I did not do and I have it all

25:46without sending out a letter asking

25:49people, is this what you want? And then

25:50doing a petition and then we do a trial

25:53run. The only things that have not been

25:55done are the bureaucrats told me they

25:58ran now 5 years ago of what we call

26:00shame pots and we've been waiting for

26:03this for streets that should have been

26:05closed 5 years ago. And so they make it

26:07seem like it can't be possible. So when

26:10I tell you I do not have any confidence

26:12in it because that's way they did. And

26:15to go even a little further when you

26:17talk about the sidewalk money. The

26:20reason we did I I sponsored public works

26:22bill back to 2021. I want to say I'm

26:26just now getting an accounting of my

26:28money within the last two years. And the

26:31reason I am, and you guys don't know

26:33this, is because street department went

26:37wonky. And what happened is the person

26:39who was in charge of 50/50 sidewalk

26:42disappeared.

26:44They did $100,000 or more of my 50/50

26:47sidewalk. And they didn't send anybody

26:50any letters saying, "Is this, you know,

26:53will you sign this and will you pay your

26:55half?" And so then, and this is all on

26:58tape, and the orderwoman from the first

27:00was on my committee then. It's all on

27:02tape. Um, they then said they did not

27:05know where the money was. They were

27:07going to have to get back with me. I was

27:09patient. I wouldn't be saying this out

27:10loud to this day. People always say,

27:12"What you know this stuff. Why don't you

27:13go to the press?" I don't really believe

27:15in trying things in the press if I don't

27:18have to. I don't really call the press

27:20press. The press calls me. So, I didn't

27:23you're hearing this, but if you look at

27:25the tape, um the the mayor's office was

27:28saying, "Oh, I'm holding these bills

27:29up." Ken Flake came and said, "No, the

27:32other woman is not holding the bills

27:33up." And she he was talking about the

27:34St. Louis works money. I didn't even do

27:36the budget. It's all on tape. And so,

27:39she couldn't have held it up cuz I

27:41didn't do the budget. Now, the person

27:43who was making that accusation was Nancy

27:45Cross. Now, Nancy Cross should have

27:47known there was not a budget, but she

27:49didn't even know that. I tell you all

27:51this to say I have no confidence in what

27:55the people that you do. The confidence I

27:58have is that the way in the method that

28:00we've done it has made it so our

28:02communities little by little have been

28:04protected. And I had to spend a lot of

28:07more money on speed humps because the

28:10aldermans from the then third and the

28:1321st put this giant if you ever go down

28:16natural bridge is horrible. this giant

28:19clump of concrete with no design. And

28:23it's really not their fault. It's the

28:25fault of the street department, BPS,

28:28state of Missouri, all the people that

28:29you have confidence in. They went after

28:32the the alderman thought they had one

28:34design. They gave them another design

28:36that is the ugliest piece of concrete

28:39and makes no sense on a street like

28:41Natural Bridge. And then they put out

28:43that they had to do it because the state

28:46owned Natural Bridge. That is not true.

28:49So my part of natural bridge does not

28:51have that because all of I have

28:53businesses. You actually go between

28:55Marcus and Arlington, you will have

28:57businesses. When the state walked

28:59Natural Bridge, when they got to Marcus,

29:01they said, "Well, you got banks, you got

29:03a Walgreens, you got a grocery store.

29:05How do you have this stuff?" That's all

29:06the stuff I put over the years. So, um,

29:09I say that to say the bureaucrats don't

29:12know North St. Louis. So you asked me to

29:14believe in something that they don't not

29:17don't know they don't care about. So to

29:19me without reading your bill and I'm

29:22going to read it and I want to talk to

29:23you. I couldn't support this and I'm not

29:26voting no. I'm voting president now

29:28because I don't want to go back um to

29:31where it is and the people who make

29:33these decisions don't live in my

29:35community. famously in um the prior

29:38administrations um one of the people in

29:41the prior administration and it was

29:42Nancy Cross was asking somebody who

29:44worked for the administration why were

29:46the black people so upset about um tall

29:50grass

29:51of course she lives in your ward over

29:53behind the chase so she didn't have to

29:56worry about tall grass cuz that gets

29:58taken care of and that's the same thing

30:01with the police the police are located

30:03always has been in my ward But I never

30:06see the police unless we call them. We

30:08don't see them driving up and down Kings

30:10Highway or Union, which we or Uclid,

30:13which to leave Union, you got to go

30:15somewhere. But as the minute that I go

30:17to your ward and I see the people, two

30:20and three police at different

30:22restaurants and we're all served by the

30:24fifth district and I tell them, "How do

30:26you get?" I said, "You must like have a

30:29broom or something and you fly over my

30:31neighborhood cuz we don't see you at

30:33all." And so when you ask us to believe

30:36in a system you that's from your lens is

30:38what I'm saying but from my lens that

30:41does not work and when you all bring

30:43stuff and it's good for you but it's

30:46harmful to me. The only equity we have

30:49had is once we had a way to do our speed

30:52humps and when they put this other last

30:54two million you would really only be

30:55affecting probably and I got a big ward.

30:58You got three neighborhoods in a block.

31:00I got 14 neighborhood, but it would be

31:03affecting Ben harshly because they

31:05wouldn't be able to do it. And so it

31:08would be affecting some parts of the

31:09Vandervena neighborhood. Some of them

31:11already have it, but some of my

31:13neighborhoods that don't have it, it

31:15would affect them harshly. And they will

31:17be very upset because they've already

31:19seen they come over and see how the

31:21traffic pattern has changed by just the

31:24speed humps andor closing streets. And

31:27you also you're inheriting a

31:28neighborhood that has more closed

31:30streets than anything in the world.

31:31Okay? So, it's easy for you to push

31:33that, but you really don't understand.

31:37Like over in North St. Louis, it's a old

31:39park. And so, you can drive a lot. I I

31:42now picked up I never went west of

31:44Marcus. I mean, yeah, east of Marcus. I

31:48now go to Vander.

31:50Um, so I stopped at the 4700 block. I

31:53now go to the 3900 blocks. But literally

31:56they have blocks that you can drive from

31:58the 3900 block up through the 5,300 or

32:015,500. And that is because all these

32:03streets were old and they were not

32:05counting on the traffic that we would

32:08have um in this century or the next

32:11century. And I'm hoping that the next

32:12century the traffic calms down also. Um,

32:16so they when I started closing streets

32:18back in the 90, they uh people not in my

32:21ward but in some other ward attacked it

32:23and said, "Well, we like to drive down

32:25the residential streets so we can drive

32:27from the 3900 block to the 5,300 block."

32:31But that's not what residential streets

32:33are about. We have primary major streets

32:36like Kings Highway, Grand, Broadway,

32:38Gravoy. Then we have secondary streets,

32:41Uklit, Marcus and other secondary

32:44streets. Um, and then we have

32:46residential streets and those

32:47residential streets are really to get

32:48the people onto the resident. It's not

32:50for you to be able to cut through as

32:52fast as you can. And it was so hard that

32:55when we first closed our street, we had

32:57the shame pots. The people would drive

33:00anyway and then drive up

33:03onto people's yards

33:06to try to go around um the the

33:09containers that closed the street off.

33:11But over the years, it has worked. it is

33:14quiet. The only place where it is not

33:16quiet is where we have not done um uh

33:21speed hunts. And I don't do speed hunts

33:23one here, one there. If I do speed

33:26hunts, we do an entire row. So like in

33:29the 3900 block, we already have the

33:31money for everything from natural bridge

33:33except for two streets over from Martin

33:35Luther King. Then after and we from

33:38Vender Vvener to Sarah. Then next we go

33:41from Sarah to Taylor Newstead and then

33:44from Taylor Newstead to Marcus.

33:46Everybody that wants them gets it. After

33:48a while that puts the traffic where it

33:50should have been in the first place

33:52which is on the major streets or

33:54secondary streets. So that would be St.

33:56Louis Avenue Marcus somewhat Uklit but

34:00they don't like Uklit because it has so

34:02many speed humps. Um, so again, I

34:05understand that you believe in that, but

34:07you have to remember you have inherited

34:09a uh community that already closed off

34:12most of their streets and don't have the

34:14traffic. And I do not want the 12th ward

34:17to be included in that. And most

34:19certainly, since we already in the

34:21middle of a plan, it will be very

34:22detrimental. And then you're saying

34:24anybody could say it. So all the people

34:26who like to drive fast, this is what has

34:28been our neighborhood's experience. The

34:31people who are doing wrong has as much

34:34say as the people who are doing right.

34:36And we have that with liquor licenses.

34:38Salamos gas station at Kings Highway and

34:41uh uh uh St. Louis Avenue. We protested

34:44against that. We came down with all the

34:46people who own property and they put a

34:48bunch of people who are the very people

34:51are hanging on that corner now in a bus

34:53and brought them down. And the people

34:55who are on the board of adjustment,

34:56which is I've always complained about

34:58them, they believed them over the people

35:01who are the neighborhood stakeholders.

35:03And that is why black middle class

35:05income people are fleeing this city. The

35:08rules that you all are putting into

35:09place make us leave because we have

35:14people who do not we did not elect

35:17implementing citywide things instead of

35:19finding out is how does this work for

35:21you? It doesn't work for me from what I

35:23and and I have not read it. So I told

35:25the other one from the first I was not

35:27going to vote no. I was going to vote

35:29present and read it and have a

35:31conversation. But I want you to know why

35:33I would be opposed to it because it is

35:36the way we have it has been very

35:38successful with the hiccups of only

35:40being with the city. How do you send out

35:44and no? How do you do 50/50 sidewalk and

35:47five years later? You cannot tell me

35:50what happened to my money because you

35:52didn't send out any bills. And you have

35:55to have those people sign that they're

35:57going to pay for 50/50 sidewalk. They

36:00didn't do that. And the people actually

36:02started calling cuz they were so honest.

36:04They called me. They called the city and

36:07said, "Hey, we haven't got our bills."

36:10but they did not have enough oversight

36:13that they knew what was going on. And

36:15everything I'm saying is the honest God

36:17truth. And as I said, it's either in an

36:19email or it's in on tape cuz I had

36:22hearings. And so what you're talking

36:25about would hurt us, not help us. Okay?

36:28And we're almost done. And if you excuse

36:31us out in the next couple of years,

36:32we'll be done with our plan. And it'll

36:34work really well because it's been not

36:37just me, it's been the people in the

36:39neighborhood. And when they put that

36:41giant clump of

36:44concrete with no curbs and no beauty,

36:47I'm very lucky. I don't even like your

36:50medians that's in the Central West End

36:52because I drive that way. So, I don't

36:54like I'm hoping that we put some pots or

36:56something green on it because I don't

36:58like concrete like that. It's a be I

37:00lived I told you on the 1500 block of

37:02Waterman when I first moved here. So,

37:04and I'm missing STRs. I voted against

37:07Whole Foods getting tiff because I knew

37:10I was going to run Strobs out of

37:11business. So, I'm missing STS. Um, but

37:15when I drive through your area, I hate

37:17that concrete. We are green city. I

37:20plant 9,000 trees so far since I've been

37:22here. Um, so when we look at Natural

37:25Ridge and we [snorts] look at that ugly

37:27clump, if you come, I'll [clears throat]

37:29invite you to a meeting. You'll hear the

37:30people say how they hate it. They

37:32weren't part of it. They wanted it

37:34removed. Why was it put there in the

37:36first place? But I cannot blame the

37:38altman from the third and the 21st cuz

37:41they thought they were going to get the

37:42same thing that was up. If you ever go

37:43by, it's beautiful median up there and

37:47green and they didn't get that. And the

37:49people who uh had the meeting were all

37:52white and didn't live in the

37:53neighborhood and they made that

37:54decision. And I actually called them and

37:57we had a meeting and it's more green

37:59there now cuz I was the chair of

38:00streets. So I I I ched them and say how

38:03do you do this and it's more green now

38:05but it's still way too much. It needs to

38:07be cut back. It needs to be that's our

38:11that's a major ulterior right now. I

38:13live next Kings Highway. You and I have

38:15had this conversation. They making a lot

38:17of streets one lane. I cannot do that.

38:20And my house is right by Kings Highway.

38:22But because the people in North St.

38:25Louis who don't have a hospital have to

38:26get to Barnes, you have to have two

38:30lanes of traffic so that when the

38:32ambulance comes, they can get by. That's

38:35not so over on Natural Bridge. People

38:38are not thinking out fully thoughts. Um,

38:41and so that's why I have uh considerable

38:44conernnation about what you're talking

38:46about because the people don't live in

38:49my community and they make decisions. So

38:51you come along and you say this is

38:53great. And that's why a lot of times

38:54you've seen stuff be done in wards where

38:58people know what's going on and not

39:00citywide without at least having the

39:02people who are affected citywide sign

39:05up. And that's what my concerns are.

39:08Thank you.

39:12Well, thank you, Alder One. Um, and

39:14since that was an inquiry, I'd like to

39:16just respond to you real quick. Um,

39:19>> no, it was a speech, but okay.

39:21[laughter]

39:21>> I mean, it was it was a good speech and

39:23I think you've brought up a lot of

39:24really important issues that I

39:26absolutely hear and and considered when

39:29we were trying to write this bill and

39:30trying to work with the department. Um,

39:32it was part of the push to create a

39:35department of transportation so that we

39:37could be more equitable in our city

39:39about the way we went about these

39:40things. So that we could find a balance

39:42between the expertise that is brought

39:44between the people who live in

39:46communities and the expertise that

39:48exists within the departments about what

39:50kind of traffic calming is best for a

39:51street and how best to route traffic.

39:54Something I heard you say a lot is, you

39:55know, that put the traffic where it was

39:57supposed to be or that my ward has a lot

40:00of closed streets that and I don't like

40:03the closed streets in my ward to to be

40:05honest. I think that this is what

40:07happens when we put the decisions in the

40:09hands of the older people is we end up

40:10with bad decisions that were made that

40:12then we all have to live with and it's

40:15really hard to undo those decisions once

40:17they're made. So I think it would be

40:19better if we put that kind of thing in

40:21the hands of people who are now looking

40:24at something like the transportation

40:25mobility plan which this city at great

40:27expense and great effort uh created in

40:30order to take a more comprehensive

40:32approach to our streets. Uh I heard you

40:34mention Natural Bridge Avenue. I do not

40:37disagree. It is ugly. uh you know there

40:41that was a first attempt at some traffic

40:43calming that MDOT and the city partnered

40:46on and other newer attempts have been a

40:50little better looking but some of those

40:52medians that you're talking about uh I

40:54know which ones you're talking some of

40:55those meetings that that are really

40:57beautiful those were designed by Bob

40:59Cassley you know rest in peace we miss

41:01him just like I miss Strobs too uh it is

41:05a hard thing that when we lose things

41:07like that in our city that make our city

41:09wonder. Uh but we should do a better job

41:12of beautifification. I think you know

41:14the challenge with that is maintenance.

41:16Uh who's want going to want to go

41:18maintain the pot in the middle of the

41:19road? Uh that is an issue and it's

41:22something I hope we can get better at in

41:23the future. But one thing that cannot be

41:26argued is that the traffic calming on

41:29Natural Bridge Avenue has saved lives.

41:31It has prevented injury. The number of

41:34crashes has gone way down. And we know

41:37from other cities that have done this,

41:39even in our own city, we know that when

41:41we design our streets safer, we can

41:43protect our people and, you know,

41:47preventing injury, preventing death. Uh

41:49because we do not want to lose people to

41:52traffic violence. We do not want to

41:54people uh to reckless driving and the

41:57things that really are the dangers out

41:59there. Want this to be a walkable city.

42:01We want every community to feel like

42:03they are valued and have that

42:05opportunity which is why we kept in

42:08place the ability for people to initiate

42:11this process because at the end of the

42:13day I still believe people are the most

42:15foremost experts on their area. They

42:18know where they don't feel safe crossing

42:20the street. They know that cars are

42:21speeding down their where they live. So

42:24this allows them to make that request.

42:27The department is going to create a

42:28process that is going to look very

42:31similar to what a lot of the other

42:33people already use, which is this

42:34petition idea that when somebody

42:37requests it, we want to make sure that

42:38other everyone else in the area is aware

42:40of it. But notice the people who want

42:42traffic calling are going to be able to

42:44make the request. The people who don't

42:46want it aren't going to be able to make

42:47a request not to have it. This is very

42:50much meant in the angle of creating more

42:52safety, trying to create more democracy

42:55in the process of allowing people to

42:57highlight, hey, I don't feel like this

42:59is safe. Can we do something about it?

43:01And then the department's going to look

43:02at it and say, yeah, we can do something

43:04about this or for, you know, the reasons

43:07that we're highlight here. Here's why we

43:09can't do this type of thing here. But we

43:12talked with the department in doing this

43:14and every time they're going to be doing

43:16this, they're going to be looking at how

43:17best they can improve the safety on. So

43:20it may not be a speed hump, although 90%

43:22of the time I bet it will be because to

43:24your point, speed humps are very

43:26effective at reducing speed. Uh but

43:29they're not always the most appropriate

43:31thing. Like you can't put a speed hump

43:32in the middle of an intersection, for

43:34instance. So, you might consider

43:36bumpouts to shorten the crossing

43:37distance, make pedestrians more visible,

43:40move the stop sign to be more visible

43:41and not have a parked car blocking it.

43:43Daylighting, you know, that's the kind

43:45of thing that the department's going to

43:46be able to look at and figure out what's

43:49appropriate. Um, I

43:53confirmed with the department that we're

43:54not going to be asking for $900 every

43:57time they're going to do these studies

43:58now. And partly because since the 90s,

44:02since uh even the 2000s, even the 2010s,

44:06there has been massive improvements in

44:09understanding on what makes streets

44:11safer. The science on this is advancing

44:13rapidly. And when you visit other

44:16cities, you see them jumping ahead of

44:18St. Louis and how they're designing

44:20their streets to be safer for the people

44:22who live there and not just the people

44:23who are traveling through. And what we

44:26see is we see lives saved, injuries

44:29prevented. We see a better city that

44:32people want to live in. To your to your

44:34point of people are moving away because

44:35of the decisions we're making. I want to

44:37make sure that we're attracting people

44:39to this city. So it is fully within my

44:40attention that I want neighborhoods to

44:42feel safe and for people to feel like

44:45their city cares about them. And that's

44:47why we built in this reporting to this

44:49because we know that city services don't

44:52always get distributed or applied

44:55equitably. We we know that there are

44:57challenges with that. And part of the

44:59challenge I think that exists is that we

45:02do depend on citizen initiation. Uh so

45:05in places that aren't as densely

45:07populated, there aren't as many people

45:09reporting problems. So that can lead to

45:11an inequity in how those services are

45:13doowled out. But what this tries to do

45:15is it tries to create several different

45:17avenues. So it's not just the people who

45:19can initiate this request. It's also you

45:21as the alderwoman. You're still going to

45:23have that power. And at the end of the

45:25day in this bill, we're not changing any

45:27of the funding. We're not touching any

45:28of the money mechanisms with this bill.

45:31This is still going to have to be funded

45:32by the other person. So there'll still

45:34be an element of control. So if you get

45:37a resident that goes crazy requesting

45:39traffic calming and you think to

45:40yourself, well, I need to fund these

45:42other things. I can't quite fund all

45:44those requests at once. You'll be able

45:45to say, "No, I need to wait on that or I

45:49don't think that's the most appropriate

45:50thing there." But at the end of the day,

45:53we do want the department to be able to

45:54weigh in and give that that opinion on

45:57what kind of thing would work best in

45:59this situation and uh you know,

46:03hopefully end up with fewer decisions

46:06that create adverse effects. I think

46:08about how you said, "Well, you close a

46:11street and it ends up routing the

46:12traffic." somewhere it shouldn't be. And

46:14I agree with that. I think that when

46:16alders are making those decisions, we

46:18end up making decisions don't match with

46:20the traffic patterns of the rest of the

46:22city. And so you can create these big

46:24upsets where suddenly since you close

46:27this street now, the neighboring street

46:28has everyone zooming down it. Uh and I

46:31think that these decisions again need to

46:32be looked at by experts to figure out

46:35okay what's the way we can actually

46:36route traffic in this neighborhood to

46:38make sure that it's the safest and you

46:40know efficient for drivers but safe for

46:42people who are living and uh and walking

46:45around there. Uh, and then the last

46:47thing, um, you know, the last thing I

46:50want to shout out here is that I I get

46:54the idea that the bureaucrats don't live

46:56in your neighborhood and you feel like

46:58there is a distrust in bureaucracy. That

47:02is again returning to the the original

47:04point of this why we wanted to move

47:06towards a department of transportation

47:08because our systems that exist

47:10currently, you won't get disagreement

47:12from me. I absolutely agree. It's not

47:15right what we do right now. It's

47:16inequitable. It leads to really bad

47:19results. And that's because we're

47:20following a charter that was written in

47:221914 when the Model T was the most

47:24popular car on our streets. We are

47:27trying to fix that with the Department

47:28of Transportation, putting safety into

47:30their department's description and

47:32responsibility and reorganizing the

47:34department. And so to people who think,

47:37well, the current system doesn't work

47:39for me, the good news is we're changing

47:41the current system. We're trying to fix

47:44those inequities and trying to get to a

47:46place where we are taking care of the

47:47safety of every person on uh because

47:51when I see

47:54videos like we saw a couple years ago

47:56outside the Scott Trade Center where a

47:58woman and her daughter just disappeared

48:01by a speeding driver hitting them. When

48:04I hear news headlines about how people

48:06get injured on our street, people who

48:08are just visiting our city, get

48:11irreparably

48:12damaged on our streets, it's because

48:16we're not taking the proper

48:17responsibility for people's safety. And

48:20this bill is meant to address that, make

48:23sure that we're putting our city in a

48:24better position, and at the end of the

48:26day, getting those services delivered in

48:29a way that we can actually account for

48:32and we can hold the department

48:33accountable. Uh so if you read the bill,

48:36you'll notice there's a reporting

48:37section and it includes an online map

48:40where it will show the requests made,

48:42whether they're funded, if they're

48:44denied, and the reason is going to have

48:46to be in there why they were denied. uh

48:49there's going to be a lot more

48:50accountability. So the whole world will

48:53be able to see if your ward's not

48:54getting traffic calming despite a lot of

48:56requests either made by you or your

48:58residents. If your ward's not getting

49:00traffic calming, you'll be able to point

49:02and say, "Look, there's actual data to

49:04back this up and I need an explanation

49:07and I will be right there with you if

49:09that is happening to say why is this

49:12ward not getting what it needs?" because

49:14I when I write legislation, I try not to

49:17write it just for the problems in my

49:19ward. I try to look at how does this

49:22serve the whole city and how can we make

49:23sure that this works in every part of

49:25the city. And so that's why we tried to

49:27allow as many people as possible, either

49:30neighbors themselves or neighborhood

49:32associations or the alder person or the

49:35SLMPD captain be able to make this

49:36request. the department be able to look

49:38at it and then right now the way it's

49:41designed is the older person would still

49:42make the final funding decision. So

49:44you're still very much involved in the

49:45process alder woman uh we're not trying

49:47to take anything away from you but we're

49:48just trying to improve this process for

49:51everybody because it is in my interest

49:54to make sure that everybody in our city

49:55is safe.

49:57>> Okay. Thank you. So I would like to say

49:59first of all the speed hump bill was not

50:01written the 80s or the 90. It was

50:04written in 2021.

50:07um directly in response to the

50:09bureaucrats and the games they were

50:10playing. And you guess how many

50:12co-sponsors I had? 22. So 23 of us out

50:17of 28 were supportive. That's a big

50:19number. In fact, our president had

50:22encouraged the mayor to veto the bill

50:25because um we didn't get uh the mayor's

50:28pos uh permission to write legislation.

50:32I've been here before all of you, the

50:34mayor, the comproller previous, we have

50:36never had to, as legislators get

50:39permission from the mayor's office or

50:41the comprollers's office or the

50:43president's office to write legislation.

50:46That is not our job to get permission.

50:48Can we work together? Yes, but not

50:50permission. And so I'm going to tell you

50:52something I usually don't tell was the

50:54conversation that the prior mayor called

50:56me and she said, "Um, Megan is uh

51:00encouraging me to veto your bill." And

51:02they were very openly. She and Nancy

51:04Cross veto my bill. And I said, "Go

51:06ahead." And she said, "Why are you so

51:09calm?" I said, "Madame Mayor, I have 22

51:12co-sponsors."

51:14She said, "What does that mean?" I said,

51:17"The day you veto it, the next time we

51:20have a meeting, we are going to override

51:22your veto." Now, I don't believe I voted

51:24against overriding the mayor's veto when

51:26some of you all did. I'm not a big thing

51:28of overriding vetos, okay? But that one

51:32was You're talking about public safety.

51:34As I said before, it's made the

51:36difference. I can show you all the

51:37pictures I used to get from my community

51:40about cars knocked into the front yards,

51:43about people getting hit. And it was not

51:46on the major streets like Natural

51:47Bridge. My part of Natural Bridge still

51:49doesn't have they still have accidents

51:51once in a while, but because they have

51:54businesses, they need that left turn

51:56lane that's in the middle. And the

51:58reason where the first traffic

52:00fatalities were happening were on

52:02Natural Bridge and it was between at

52:04fair from Fair to Newstead. That was a

52:08big thing. And that's because they don't

52:09have a lot of B. Now I've picked that

52:11up. They don't have businesses down

52:12there. So when people got there, they

52:14just sped through. Let me tell you the

52:17other side of that. You're talking about

52:18people. I was talking about natural

52:21bridge. When I said when you put

52:22something there, when they put that big

52:24glob of concrete there, and these are

52:27the very people who maybe will be gone,

52:29but who you right now, who are the

52:30bureaucrats you're talking about turning

52:32it over to? Um

52:35the if you talk to the fire chief, if

52:37you talk to public safety, just the same

52:39reasons you and I have two lanes on

52:41Kings Highway, that's why they need two

52:43lanes on Natural Bridge because they

52:45can't get through. So whenever there has

52:48been a public safety problem, they can't

52:51get through cuz they're blocked in. So

52:53that's ridiculous. That's not good

52:55traffic coming.

52:57That's ridiculous trafficcoming. And so

53:00now I am tasked with how to cut those

53:02medians down and make it something

53:05that's livable. Also the people hate it

53:07because they were not part of it. Um

53:10they didn't get included and I was not

53:13in part of it even though I didn't put

53:15it in my ward. The people who started to

53:18come down natural bridge would then cut

53:20over into the outwoman from the 11th and

53:24now alderwoman from the 12th and cut

53:26into the residential streets. Because

53:28when you make a a major traffic

53:32uh street like Natural Bridge one lane

53:35with parking, it's dangerous. And

53:39there's been so it may not have been

53:40accidents and kills, but there you can

53:42go and see all the people who drive over

53:44the median. If you come out here, you'll

53:46hear from the people say, "We hate that.

53:48We can't get out of our neighborhoods.

53:50We only have to do this. We have to do

53:52that." They were not included. You said

53:55something that I disagree with. You said

53:56it's only the people who want

53:58trafficcoming, not the people who don't.

54:00I can share my petition. My tiss my

54:03petition says, do you want it or don't

54:05you? Because I wanted people on both

54:07sides to be included and I send it to

54:09every house on the block and then if

54:13they don't have enough, I have a

54:14standard of what you have to reach. It

54:15can't just be 50%. Okay? So then they

54:18have to um get with their neighbors and

54:22make a compromise. Is this what they

54:24want? Um, and the whole neighborhood

54:26then knows what is going on. It's not

54:28just one thing. Um, so when these first

54:31came out, I want to say channel 4 came

54:34out and interviewed me on the 4900 block

54:36of Northland Place and then they talked

54:38to people and when some we had an

54:40occurrence of a nuisance store that

54:42should have been closed 25 years ago.

54:44Um, and there was a shooting that

54:47emanated from there and the only street

54:48they could go down was the 4900 block of

54:51uh of Cope Brilliant. and they got out

54:53in the middle of the street and had a

54:54shooting and the only reason they were

54:56there as we were getting ready to co

54:58close co Brilliant now is because they

55:01could only get down that street. Um the

55:04people know how to go down that live in

55:06the community and that's who I'm

55:08concerned with. I'm not concerned with

55:10people who live someplace else who say

55:12they want to cut through my community or

55:15Kingsway West which is our adjacent

55:17sister community or Pinrose or Mark

55:20Twain all of these things because it's a

55:23lot of young people who have a total

55:25disregard for life that's out there and

55:28so once they start going in everybody

55:30wanted them but once they knew we were

55:32doing it in a pattern it cut when I say

55:35it put the traffic it put the traffic on

55:38St. Louis Avenue where it should be. It

55:40put the traffic on um Martin Luther King

55:42where it should be. It put the traffic

55:44on Natural Bridge. But because Natural

55:47Bridge is so horrible, the traffic start

55:49cutting onto uh San Francisco court,

55:52Sacramento over in Pinrose over my area

55:55on Palm and Lexington, the streets that

55:56are adjacent to the large streets. And I

55:58had a call from one of the gentlemen who

56:02lives in the 5200 block of Lexington in

56:05the Kingsway West neighborhood. And uh

56:07why he called me is because we put speed

56:09humps on Lee in the Pinrose

56:12neighborhood. And he said, "Old woman,

56:14why you have speed humps on Lee? I don't

56:16like them." And I said, "But don't you

56:18live in Kingsway West?" He said, "Yes."

56:21And I said, "Don't you have speed humps

56:24on your street?" And he said, "Of

56:25course." And I said, "Did you not sign

56:28the petition?" Yes. Why are you calling

56:31me about the 48 and 4,900 block of Lee?

56:34Because when they put those giant

56:36barriers, concrete, I started cutting

56:39through and going through Lee. And I

56:42said, "So now you think you should be

56:43able to weigh in on if there should be a

56:46speed hump on Lee? Should the people on

56:48Lee be able to weigh in about me taking

56:51up the speed humps?" He said, "No way."

56:53He said, "I'm I'm done with that." So,

56:55one of the things you have to be real

56:57careful of is protecting the sanctity of

56:59neighborhoods because of course somebody

57:02else will call and say, "I think this I

57:04live in the let's just say the 30 4600

57:07block of something." Well, that's in a

57:09different neighborhood. They want to cut

57:11through. They don't care. Again, the

57:14people who are the bureaucrats don't

57:15know the neighborhoods. Um, I think more

57:17and more you guys are getting away from

57:19the whole reason of having alderman

57:21elected from wards and people try to

57:23make them bigger and larger. Again, I

57:27have 14 neighborhoods, you have three.

57:29That has not been successful. I have

57:31always been opposed to that. Not cuz I

57:34don't want to uh have change, but that

57:37was never going to be successful for for

57:39North St. Louis, and it's not. Pam has

57:4212 uh neighborhoods. Laura has 10 or 11.

57:45That's ridiculous. Okay. So, I had four

57:48neighborhoods. I knew like the back of

57:50my hand, four and a half. And so, I gave

57:52them good service. They knew that. Now,

57:54I have 14. I had to learn in the last

57:56three 10 other neighborhoods. That's

57:59ridiculous. Okay. But I have been doing

58:01it. And the whole point of being a

58:03neighborhood older person and the whole

58:04point of having 28 was so that people

58:07from different parts of the city could

58:09be represented. That has not happened

58:11down here. Okay. Now, uh we have really

58:15in North St. Louis. Three black alder

58:16people represent 90% of North St. Louis.

58:19It is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. I

58:21actually have all of the original 20th

58:23ward. I have all of the fourth ward and

58:26I have parts of the 18th, 21st, 22nd, uh

58:31the old 2nd, 027. So, I have three North

58:35St. Louis wards. That's ridiculous. It's

58:37not working. But in people's heads who

58:40push that, they don't care because

58:41they're so busy doing what they think

58:43and that's what I think that you're

58:44doing that you really don't have an idea

58:47of what I'm saying. And so when I get up

58:49and talk to you about it, I've been

58:51doing this for 30ome years. And since

58:53I'm not quiet, I don't hide my opinions.

58:56You're perfectly able to hear what I say

58:59or come to the meetings. And when people

59:01come who disagree with me, I say, "Come

59:02up here. Let's debate." They don't ever

59:04want to debate because they want to put

59:06foolishness, but they don't want to do

59:07facts. I do facts. So when you are

59:11thinking this is good, it's not. I not

59:13for me, not if you're going to just

59:16exempt me out and let me finish my plan,

59:18we'll be good. If everybody else wants

59:20that, that's what they want. But we want

59:23to close our neighborhoods and protect

59:25them. They also have people who are

59:27doing bad actors. So if I do half of a

59:30neighbor neighborhood and I don't finish

59:32it, then we're going to push all the bad

59:34actors on the places where we haven't

59:37finished. Okay? And that will not be in

59:39the best interest. And nobody will know

59:41that. When I got on the bureaucrats here

59:43with the city and the state about what

59:45they did with Natural Bridge, and I did

59:48call them all and said, "Do you see how

59:51all of you all are white and none of you

59:52all live here?" How do you think that

59:54you made that decision? and you didn't

59:56talk to the alderman from the 3rd or the

59:5821st. Me, I said no right away cuz all

1:00:02my businesses called me and said,

1:00:03"Aldderwoman, we can't lose that left

1:00:05turn lane. We use that and we don't have

1:00:07the accidents." And I knew why. But I

1:00:10want to also bring up, you talked about

1:00:12the accidents that happened downtown.

1:00:14That's what drives this engine. When

1:00:16something happens downtown, oh, we got

1:00:19to fix that. the the uh people who were

1:00:22dying on Natural Bridge had been going

1:00:24on for years and years and years. And

1:00:27the reason that the alderman from the

1:00:28third and the 21st wanted to do

1:00:31something is because they were getting

1:00:33pressure from the community, but they

1:00:35didn't get the right thing done. The

1:00:37alderman from the 22nd also, he put a

1:00:39roundabout on um um Goodfellow, and if

1:00:44you go there, that roundabout is hit in

1:00:45all kind of ways. Okay? Now, I lived in

1:00:47Kansas City for a while, so I do like

1:00:48roundabouts, but I didn't think it was

1:00:51proper for Kings Highway and Natural

1:00:52Bridge. We actually did not used to have

1:00:55a left turn signals at those four

1:00:57corners. And I put that in during my

1:00:59tenure, and people said, "Thank you."

1:01:01Because we were putting traffic again on

1:01:03residential streets. So, when we're

1:01:05doing these things, we have to dis know

1:01:08how that affects a community and also

1:01:11who has an agenda of why they want

1:01:13something a certain way. And I always

1:01:15tell people, this is my thing. Do you

1:01:17live there? Because I try to treat every

1:01:20single street as though I live there,

1:01:22okay? And that I'm going to be affected

1:01:24by it. So when people are calling me

1:01:26like the gentleman who called me um in

1:01:28the 5200 block of Lexington, he loves

1:01:31speed humps for him, but he was

1:01:33perfectly okay for the speed humps not

1:01:35to be for the people in Pinrose. And I

1:01:38told the people in Pinrose that and they

1:01:39said, "Where does he live, Miss Tus?

1:01:41We'll sign a petition to take his things

1:01:43away." So we really have a good system.

1:01:46So your system will not improve ours. It

1:01:48will hurt it. I will say and I do think

1:01:50that you have a bigger picture at mine.

1:01:53But the point is right now boards

1:01:56commission people on it. They don't live

1:01:57in North St. Louis for the last 20some

1:02:00years. You and I've said this before we

1:02:02haven't had anybody from the board of

1:02:03adjustment almost 30 now that lived in

1:02:06North St. Louis. That's patently un

1:02:09illegal under our ordinance that we

1:02:11have. But it's also racist and unfair.

1:02:13And those people have stuck all these

1:02:15gas stations, which I have now collected

1:02:18all the data. And when you see the data

1:02:20about the gas station that are up

1:02:22against people's neighborhoods, I'm not

1:02:24neighborhoods, their houses. But then

1:02:26when you go to your neighborhoods, you

1:02:28got Lindo and Boil with a big concrete

1:02:31uh fence right there, brick fence

1:02:34separating the neighborhood and the uh

1:02:38gas station. And they don't have all the

1:02:40nonsense that they lack coming to our

1:02:42neighborhoods. We got neighborhood. We

1:02:44have a gas station, Kings Highway and

1:02:48Delmar, Kings Highway in Hodmont, Kings

1:02:50Highway and Martin Luther King, Kings

1:02:51Highway in St. Louis Avenue, and Kings

1:02:53Highway and Natural Bridge. Now, we

1:02:56already had Kings Highway and Natural

1:02:57Bridge. We didn't need any maybe

1:02:59Delmare, but the other ones were

1:03:00unnecessary. They were pushed in, and

1:03:03they have been the places where they

1:03:04shoot and do all kind of things. They

1:03:07were pushed in by the board of

1:03:08adjustment while the neighborhoods was

1:03:10opposed to it. So when you say, "Oh,

1:03:12your neighborhoods will be protected."

1:03:13No, we won't. The only way you're

1:03:14protected is you have to have somebody

1:03:16like me who stands up for the

1:03:19neighborhood. And if they're not going

1:03:21to stand up for the neighborhood or you

1:03:22have people from other neighborhoods,

1:03:24the people who put the salamas in our

1:03:26neighborhoods did would not allow them

1:03:29to go into their neighborhoods. So I

1:03:31know where every gas station is. We have

1:03:33taken pictures. We know where they are.

1:03:35And it is a horrible it's a comparison

1:03:38of racism and environmental racism. And

1:03:41I know where your uh gas stations were.

1:03:44There was one at Skinker and Delmare

1:03:46that is now CVS. There was one at Union

1:03:49that they tore down a long time ago and

1:03:51that's dirt.

1:03:51>> Respectfully all the bill doesn't do gas

1:03:53stations.

1:03:54>> I But what I'm just saying is that the

1:03:56whole thing of fairness, I'm just

1:03:58illustrating is not done fairly. I was

1:04:00done with that. But when you start the

1:04:02with these, oh, these people will be

1:04:04fair. They absolutely will not. That's

1:04:06why we have aldermen from different

1:04:08communities. And so if you push these

1:04:10things through and I tell you, well,

1:04:12this is going to hurt my community. And

1:04:14you say, well, you still can fund it.

1:04:16Well, but I already have a plan that's

1:04:18halfway through. So I don't know why you

1:04:20would want to be in the middle of that

1:04:22instead of saying, well, if you already

1:04:24have it all the way through, this is not

1:04:26going to do anything to help. So we need

1:04:28to go on with that. And I can get it

1:04:30done in the next year and be done with

1:04:32it. Okay? and I've put all the money

1:04:34forward for doing that. So again, um,

1:04:37bureaucrats don't do it. I still don't

1:04:39have my answer about where my money is.

1:04:42Okay. Um, 5 years later, somebody took

1:04:46money and there's no answer for that.

1:04:49Somebody let a sidewalks get laid and

1:04:52then they didn't send out the proper

1:04:53paperwork. Now, that was not anybody I

1:04:55think that's here, but they have not

1:04:57come up with a way how you fix that and

1:05:00you put my money back. Okay? So when

1:05:02you're asking me to trust, you're asking

1:05:04me to trust people who have not served

1:05:06my interest. And that's what I'm saying.

1:05:08And maybe they have. And I hear people

1:05:10say, "Oh, I got all my stuff done." But

1:05:12they haven't served my interest. And so

1:05:14I don't trust them. And I will, like I

1:05:16said, I haven't read read your bill.

1:05:17There may be parts of it that I really

1:05:19agree with, and I'll have to look at it.

1:05:21But on my first blush, I'm telling you,

1:05:24as being a person who's been on streets

1:05:26for 20some years and was the chair and

1:05:28the vice vice chair from 15 years or 10

1:05:31years and um been the chair that it

1:05:34doesn't work the way you think it

1:05:37should, that's in your mind. But then

1:05:39the reason why 22 alderman co-sponsored

1:05:42my bill is because they were all told

1:05:44no. And then when they said they were

1:05:46going to do it, then they said, "Well,

1:05:47we're going to charge you $900." You're

1:05:49saying they won't charge you $900. Is

1:05:51that in your bill that they cannot

1:05:52charge $900 to apply?

1:05:55>> It's not specifically written in the

1:05:57bill, but the bill is uh streamlining

1:06:00the process so that there is a

1:06:03writtenout process of which there is not

1:06:05a financial charge uh to evaluate each

1:06:08street. And uh I can I can attest to

1:06:12this that I've been following this

1:06:14process in my own ward more or less for

1:06:16the last year or so where when I get a

1:06:19traffic caling request, I do reach out

1:06:21to the department and ask for their

1:06:24advice on what the best measure put in

1:06:26there is. Uh and it works very well.

1:06:30We're able to have planners, not

1:06:32engineers, look and put where speed

1:06:34humps are. So it doesn't require the

1:06:36extra fee. It doesn't require the extra

1:06:37bureaucracy.

1:06:38uh we're able to streamline the process

1:06:41and move it a little faster. Uh and you

1:06:44know, it's worth noting that this

1:06:45process would work even when we're out

1:06:47of session. Uh so we wouldn't have to

1:06:50wait until we're back in session to do a

1:06:52board bill for speed humps. So I I fully

1:06:53expect you'll be able to still complete

1:06:55your plan. Alderwoman, I think this

1:06:57still allows for plenty of aldermanic

1:06:59involvement, and I'm grateful that you

1:07:02and I share a passion for the streets in

1:07:04our ward and making sure that people are

1:07:06safe. Uh, I think that this is intended

1:07:09to allow older people to still have that

1:07:11passion, still be very interested and

1:07:13still very involved, but also to

1:07:16professionalize this in a way,

1:07:17streamline this in a way that gets

1:07:19better results for our people. So, I

1:07:21think we we're going to disagree on

1:07:22that. It sounds like uh I do hope you

1:07:25have a chance to read the bill between

1:07:26this week and next, and we can have more

1:07:29conversation uh next week on it. I'm I'm

1:07:31happy. I I'm not afraid to debate you on

1:07:33this because I I do feel very very

1:07:36confident that we're doing the right

1:07:37thing here, but I also respect you

1:07:40enough to know that we can disagree and

1:07:41know that we don't, you know,

1:07:43>> we can disagree on this and agree on

1:07:45other things still.

1:07:47>> So, hear me when I say put the pro

1:07:49prohibition of charging $900 in your

1:07:52bill. Put it in there because we were

1:07:55shocked when they just came up with this

1:07:57and they'll come up with something else.

1:07:59They do a money grab. You guys are not

1:08:02knowledgeable enough to know how the

1:08:04program started out. Like they now ask

1:08:06alderman to uh pay for for uh dumpsters.

1:08:10That is a process that the city is

1:08:12supposed to do. But they will trick

1:08:14alderman and say, "Oh, you need this."

1:08:16Well, I'm here when we first got war

1:08:18capital and that was not it. And then

1:08:20when we increased our cost of what we

1:08:22should pay for trash, then Steven Conway

1:08:25and Jeffrey Boyd stood on this war uh

1:08:27floor and said, "Mayor uh Crusen says

1:08:31with this increase, we'll never ask the

1:08:33alderman for money again." That is not

1:08:36true. They come for your money because

1:08:38they can. Okay? And then there are pots

1:08:41of money that are sitting because they

1:08:43don't tell people when the last alderman

1:08:46left where the money is. I make them

1:08:48give me a monthly update of where my

1:08:50money is. And that's why I know 5 years

1:08:52later they're still sitting there

1:08:54stalling instead of saying we made a

1:08:56mistake. We got to put all your money

1:08:58back. But where are they going to put my

1:09:00money? Because they made the mistake. So

1:09:03again, when I'm looking at all the

1:09:05mistakes and then the purposeful actions

1:09:08that they've taken, this is not anything

1:09:10that I believe in. So I believe in trust

1:09:12everything and verify. put the

1:09:15restriction that they shall not charge

1:09:18$900 or any other fee in your board bill

1:09:22because they will come up with some or

1:09:24they'll wait 510. I'm not supposed to be

1:09:26here now. If they had not racially

1:09:28gerrymandered me, I'd have been gone and

1:09:30I'm not supposed to be able to bring up

1:09:32stuff off the top of my head and tell

1:09:33you what happened. Okay? So, if you do

1:09:36not put that in there, you are leaving a

1:09:38layer of protection and they'll come

1:09:40back and that should be in there. And I

1:09:42will read this. Um, but like I said on

1:09:45first blush, there's nothing that makes

1:09:47me want to uh support this because it's

1:09:52taking away all the things that are in

1:09:53the best interest of my community

1:09:55because since they don't have anybody

1:09:57who sits on all these boards and

1:09:59commissions or who makes these decision,

1:10:01they can come to me and it's a very fair

1:10:03process. And if people say, "Oh, I

1:10:05didn't uh support that." I come out and

1:10:08say, "Miss Jones, isn't this your

1:10:09signature right here?" and whatever date

1:10:11it was or did you say you opposed it?

1:10:14So, you're taking away layers of

1:10:16protection for the citizens and that's

1:10:18what I see. Thank you very much.

1:10:20>> Thank you.

1:10:30>> Alderman from the fourth and then I'll

1:10:32do seventh.

1:10:33>> Thank you, Madam President, members of

1:10:34the board. uh please add me as a

1:10:36co-sponsor and I hope that next week is

1:10:39the last time that we ever discuss speed

1:10:41on this floor.

1:10:43[laughter]

1:10:44>> Thank you alderman.

1:10:45>> Mr. Clerk, please add me as a

1:10:47co-sponsor. Mr.

1:10:48>> William, thank you.

1:10:50>> Alderwoman from the seventh.

1:10:52>> Thank you, Madam President, members of

1:10:54the board. Um I would like to motion to

1:10:57bring amendment number one to board bill

1:11:00754. Have you put in

1:11:02>> It's been moved by the alderwoman from

1:11:04the 7th, seconded by the alderman from

1:11:06the 14th that we adopt amendment number

1:11:09one to board bill 75. Alderwoman, you

1:11:11may proceed. Thank you, President Green

1:11:14and members of the board. Um, as the

1:11:16alderman of the 9th uh spoke, you know,

1:11:19I am someone when the Department of

1:11:20Transportation first came up was

1:11:22actually very excited. Um I think I have

1:11:24many residents who are excited and I'll

1:11:26be honest about one of my main reasons

1:11:28being that personally um I don't feel

1:11:30all the time qualified to make some of

1:11:33that have to be made. Um I think we have

1:11:36a lot of decisions on street closures on

1:11:38speed humps and I think that it is best

1:11:40for engineers and professionals making

1:11:42this. I'm grateful that we have a system

1:11:44where whenever I reach out to the

1:11:46streets department and certain

1:11:47professionals to go with me on walks in

1:11:49the ward and spaces that are areas they

1:11:51come. Uh, but I know one of the things

1:11:53that is also an issue that I find is

1:11:54right now with things tied to our war

1:11:56capital processes, residents are really

1:11:58relying on individual alders to

1:12:00communicate the information to them.

1:12:02They don't necessarily know what has

1:12:04been proposed to the department, what

1:12:06has been approved, whether or not has

1:12:08been funded. And the only person that

1:12:10really actually has that information for

1:12:11their ward is the alder. And so the

1:12:14amendment that I have, amendment number

1:12:15one, is really about making sure that as

1:12:18we begin this transition, which I'm very

1:12:20supportive of, our residents are able to

1:12:22be a part of that transition and that we

1:12:24give them the transparency which can

1:12:26yield the accountability that I think

1:12:28they um deserve. And so amendment number

1:12:31one um proposes that for each request,

1:12:34there is a date that goes on it that

1:12:36clarifies the date that the Department

1:12:38of Transportation received it. Um it

1:12:41clarifies the project status included

1:12:43but not limited to the initial review.

1:12:46Um if it was approved, denied or held

1:12:48and if it was held, there has to be a

1:12:50reason proide uh provided for that

1:12:52denial. Um if it's pending construction,

1:12:55if the project is completed, um

1:12:58information about the design stage,

1:12:59users who navigate this process, we know

1:13:01that sometimes that's where the weight

1:13:03can be. Uh whether the project has been

1:13:05funded or not, and estimated dates of

1:13:08construction. Again, all of these

1:13:10things, my hope is that they will the

1:13:12ask is this will be public on a website

1:13:14that goes on the map that gets updated

1:13:16on a monthly basis. So whether you're a

1:13:18resident, whether you're a neighborhood

1:13:19president, whether you anyone an alder

1:13:22that can make this request, you can see

1:13:24this information updated on a monthly

1:13:26basis so that there can be some

1:13:27transparency set with the process. Um

1:13:30and then the part B of the amendment

1:13:31says that annually the department of

1:13:33transportation will give a report to the

1:13:35public infrastructure and utilities

1:13:37committee um or the successor of that

1:13:39committee. Again just another focus on

1:13:41transparency so that we can uh follow

1:13:44these things. Um and the idea again is

1:13:46that we have an active map and dashboard

1:13:48with this information. I've been able to

1:13:50work with the alderman from the 9inth as

1:13:52well as the mayor's office and some

1:13:53other folks around this amendment. Um,

1:13:55but again, it's very important to me

1:13:57that as we transition these decisions

1:13:59and open up the pot that we keep

1:14:01transparency and public access at the

1:14:03center of these decisions. And that's my

1:14:05intent with this amendment.

1:14:13>> Any further discussion? Alderman from

1:14:15the

1:14:17uh I just like to say I'm in support of

1:14:18this amendment. I appreciate the alder

1:14:20woman bringing it. Um, I think uh this

1:14:23strengthens a process that was already

1:14:25in the bill. We already had this map,

1:14:27but she took a look at it and said, "How

1:14:28can we make this better for people

1:14:30looking for this information, adding

1:14:32really crucial information into it that

1:14:34I think is going to be really beneficial

1:14:36to holding the department responsible as

1:14:38well and making sure that we're doing

1:14:40this in an equitable way." And so I

1:14:42think transparency is key to

1:14:45accountability in so many aspects just

1:14:47because how can you hold people

1:14:49accountable if you don't know what so

1:14:51this is really important and I really

1:14:53appreciate the cooperation here a great

1:14:55example of being able to work together

1:14:57to improve a bill to get it to a point

1:14:59where I think it can be better for

1:15:00everybody. So thank you.

1:15:02>> Thank you.

1:15:03>> Any further discussion on the amendment

1:15:07cogent has her hand up.

1:15:13Uh, Alderwoman from the ETH.

1:15:16>> Thank you, Madame President, uh, and

1:15:18members of the board. Uh, I just wanted

1:15:20to speak, um, in support of the

1:15:22Alderwoman from the seventh amendment.

1:15:24Um, when we heard this billing

1:15:26committee, uh, I was certainly very

1:15:28supportive of the alderman from the

1:15:30ninth legislation. Uh, but I do think

1:15:32this amendment is a great addition to

1:15:34ensure that we do have that transparency

1:15:36and accountability from for residents.

1:15:39We know as alders one of our primary

1:15:41responsibilities is to make sure that uh

1:15:43we can get as much information as

1:15:44possible especially on such important

1:15:46matters uh like the safety improvements

1:15:49that we know speed hump brings. So I

1:15:50just want to thank her for bringing this

1:15:52amendment forward. I think it's a great

1:15:54addition to the bill to make sure that

1:15:55we can have that frequent communication

1:15:58with our residents as things like speed

1:16:00and hump move forward so that we can

1:16:02make sure uh that we're able to get uh

1:16:04the right information and responses to

1:16:06our residents so that they know um

1:16:08exactly what's going on. So, I just

1:16:10wanted to echo my support for this

1:16:11amendment and continued support for this

1:16:13legislation.

1:16:14>> Thank you.

1:16:15>> Any further discussion on the amendment?

1:16:20Seeing none, it's been moved by the

1:16:21alderwoman from the seventh, seconded by

1:16:23the alderman from the that we adopt

1:16:26amendment number one to board 75. All

1:16:28those in favor signify by saying I. Uh

1:16:31there's been a request for roll call.

1:16:35>> Mr. Clerk, please call the role.

1:16:38>> Alman Schwiser,

1:16:39>> I

1:16:43alenberg.

1:16:47Alman Con.

1:16:52Alman Nion,

1:16:56>> Alman Devotei,

1:16:59>> Alwoman Velasquez,

1:17:02>> Ioman

1:17:04Sonier,

1:17:04>> Iwoman

1:17:08Coxantry,

1:17:11>> I

1:17:13al Brownie,

1:17:15>> Iman

1:17:18Clark Hubbert,

1:17:22Awoman Keys.

1:17:23>> Hi.

1:17:25Aldwoman Tus

1:17:26>> present.

1:17:30Aloman Boyd

1:17:33>> present.

1:17:37>> Alman Aldridge.

1:17:38>> Hi.

1:17:40>> President Green.

1:17:41>> Hi.

1:17:44>> Alman Odenberg.

1:17:48Alman Con

1:17:53Boyd

1:17:55>> present.

1:17:57>> We have uh 11 Boyd had been a present.

1:18:00>> 11 eyes and two present.

1:18:02>> By your vote, you sustain the motion

1:18:04from the alderwoman from the seventh to

1:18:06adopt amendment number one.

1:18:11Alderman from the ninth, you are now

1:18:13recognized on the perfection of board

1:18:16bill 75 as amended on the floor.

1:18:20>> Thank you. If there's no more discussion

1:18:23on uh the bill, um I'm close.

1:18:27>> Uh you need to make a motion to perfect

1:18:29the amended bill.

1:18:30>> Um I move to uh perfect board bill 75 as

1:18:34amended on the fourth. It's been moved

1:18:36by the alderman from the 9th, seconded

1:18:38by the alderman from the 14th that we

1:18:40perfect board bill 75 as amend.

1:18:43Uh alderman, you may now proceed or

1:18:46yield to others for comments.

1:18:48>> I'm happy to yield if there's any more

1:18:51questions.

1:18:52>> Right. Alderman from the first.

1:18:54>> Thank you, Madam President. Members of

1:18:55the board, please add me as a

1:18:56co-sponsor.

1:18:57>> Mr. Clerk, please make note of that.

1:18:59>> Nobody noted. Thank you.

1:19:01>> Any further discussion? Any further

1:19:04discussion? Seeing none, then alderman,

1:19:07you from the ninth, you are recognized

1:19:09to close.

1:19:10>> Well, thank you everybody. I think we

1:19:12had a good discussion today on this

1:19:13bill. Uh I share the alderman from the

1:19:16fourth's desire to no longer debate

1:19:18speed humps and put this in the hands of

1:19:21uh professionals who can make these

1:19:23decisions on what's best for our streets

1:19:25and how to keep our people safe. Uh I

1:19:27think this is an really important step

1:19:30in the transition to a department of

1:19:32transportation and the entire goal of

1:19:35that department is to more equitably

1:19:38deliver services to our residents and

1:19:40[snorts] improve both the maintenance

1:19:42and the safety of our streets uh so that

1:19:46no matter how you're traveling you're

1:19:47safe and this is an important step

1:19:50towards that. Uh I myself am a believer

1:19:53in the sanctity of neighborhoods and

1:19:56that neighbors are our experts on our

1:19:59streets and so that's why this process

1:20:01allows them to continue to weigh in

1:20:03allows all the people to continue to

1:20:04weigh in and represent their ward and

1:20:07allows uh coordination with the proper

1:20:10departments uh reference to the proper

1:20:12documents uh checking with the

1:20:15professionals and the other departments

1:20:17like our police and our fire to make

1:20:19sure that we're not negatively impacting

1:20:20Um and overall just streamlining this

1:20:23process so it happens faster uh than the

1:20:27current process. Acknowledging the

1:20:29history here uh I I know there was a

1:20:31reason we moved to the process we have

1:20:33now. Uh but we have to be willing to try

1:20:36new things and I do think this is a

1:20:39positive step and a and a good direction

1:20:42where we're going to have a safer result

1:20:45for our residents. And I'll promise you

1:20:48this too. If it doesn't lead to that, I

1:20:50am happy to revisit this issue because

1:20:52my goal is always that the end product

1:20:55is what we are looking for and what

1:20:57we're going to get. I want to make sure

1:20:59this has the real effect on our streets

1:21:01that actually makes people safer. So, if

1:21:03it does not do that, you can bet I'll be

1:21:05back here trying to work on this issue

1:21:08again because at the end of the day, it

1:21:10really just matters how it affects our

1:21:11residents. And that is our job as

1:21:14legislators is to come down here and

1:21:16represent them and do what's best for

1:21:17them. So, thank you all for the

1:21:19discussion. I really appreciate it. And

1:21:21with that, I renew my motion to perfect

1:21:23board bill 75 as amended on the floor.

1:21:26It's been moved by the alderman from the

1:21:279th, seconded by the alderman from the

1:21:3014th that we board bill 75 as amended on

1:21:33the floor. Mr. Clerk, please call the

1:21:35role.

1:21:36>> Excuse me. We didn't You didn't ask for

1:21:38discussion. I was waiting for

1:21:40discussion.

1:21:41>> He had been recognized to close.

1:21:44>> But you didn't ask for discussion.

1:21:45>> We did ask for discuss.

1:21:46>> I did not hear anything about

1:21:48discussion. Okay. Um I don't remember

1:21:52you saying that. I'm sitting there

1:21:53waiting for it. So I

1:21:54>> I we already called for the vote older

1:21:56woman

1:21:57>> and we did ask for discussion.

1:21:58>> So um then I will add a written note of

1:22:02Baiton just text me and said that when

1:22:05they had studies done the only thing

1:22:07>> woman we are in middle of a vote street

1:22:10light and that vote has been called

1:22:13there's no further discussion.

1:22:14>> Thank you.

1:22:18>> Mr. Clerk please call the role. Alman

1:22:21Schwitzer,

1:22:22>> hi.

1:22:24>> Alman Odenberg,

1:22:27>> Alman Conn,

1:22:30>> hi.

1:22:32[snorts]

1:22:32>> Alman Nion,

1:22:35>> Alman Dvotei,

1:22:37>> hi.

1:22:39Alderwoman Velasquez.

1:22:42>> I

1:22:43also

1:22:49>> I

1:22:51al Browning.

1:22:52>> Hi.

1:22:55>> Alwoman Clark Hubard.

1:22:58>> Alwoman Keys.

1:22:59>> Hi.

1:23:02>> Al Tus.

1:23:03>> Present.

1:23:07Alber.

1:23:17>> Alman Aldrich.

1:23:21>> President Green.

1:23:22>> I

1:23:25alenberg

1:23:28with 12 votes and two present. By your

1:23:30vote, you sustain the motion from the

1:23:32alderman from the ninth to perfect board

1:23:34bill 75 as amended on the floor.

1:23:38And Mr. Clerk, if you could please refer

1:23:41board bill 75 as amended on the floor to

1:23:43the legislation and rules committee for

1:23:46engrossment.

1:23:47>> We'll do. Thank you.

1:23:53Board Bill 78 sponsored by Alman Devote

1:23:56an ordinance pertaining to the street

1:23:59improvement fund commonly known as the

1:24:01St. Louis works and specifying the

1:24:03allocation of funds and the creation of

1:24:05call centers and standards governing the

1:24:08deployment of such those funds

1:24:10containing definitions an effective date

1:24:12and a servability clause.

1:24:14>> Alderman from the fifth you are

1:24:15recognized in the perfection of board

1:24:17bill 78.

1:24:19Madame President, members of the board,

1:24:20I would ask that Bill 78 be placed on

1:24:23the informal calendar.

1:24:24>> Mr. Clerk, please place board bill 78 on

1:24:27the informal calendar.

1:24:29>> Thank you.

1:24:31As extent of board bills for perfection,

1:24:33>> report of engrossment.

1:24:35>> We have none.

1:24:36>> Can dispense with line item 18, third

1:24:38reading and final passage of board bills

1:24:39consent?

1:24:40>> We have none.

1:24:41>> We can dispense with line item 19, third

1:24:43reading and final passage of board

1:24:45bills.

1:24:45>> We have none.

1:24:46>> Dispense with line item 20. reported the

1:24:48finally passed and signed by the

1:24:50president.

1:24:50>> We have none.

1:24:51>> Can dispense with line item 21 first

1:24:54reading resolutions and reference to

1:24:56committees.

1:24:57>> Resolution 145 sponsored by Alderman

1:25:00Devon to approve the 2027

1:25:04Gardenside subdivision special business

1:25:07district budget.

1:25:10>> Alderman from the fifth, you are

1:25:11recognized on the first reading

1:25:12resolution 145.

1:25:15Madame President, members of the board,

1:25:17I would request unanimous consent on

1:25:19resolution 45.

1:25:22>> Hearing no objection, alderman, you may

1:25:24proceed.

1:25:26>> Uh, Madame President, members of the

1:25:28board, uh, I would request that the

1:25:30board adopt resolution 145.

1:25:33>> It's been moved by the alderman from the

1:25:355th, seconded by the alderman from the

1:25:3614th that we adopt resolution 145.

1:25:40Alderman, you may proceed.

1:25:43Uh this is very simple. Uh this

1:25:46particular resolution uh simply approves

1:25:49the gardenside subdivisions

1:25:51uh district budget for this next fiscal

1:25:54year which it is required to do by its

1:25:56authorizing ordinance.

1:26:01>> Any further discussion? Any further

1:26:04discussion?

1:26:06Seeing none, it's been moved by the

1:26:08alderman from the 5th, seconded by the

1:26:09alderman from the 14th that we adopt

1:26:11resolution 145. All those in favor

1:26:14signify by saying I.

1:26:16>> I.

1:26:17>> Opposed.

1:26:18Motion carries.

1:26:20Second reading resolutions committee

1:26:22reports and adoptions.

1:26:26>> Report from the

1:26:35this is under the first reading of

1:26:36resolution report reference committees.

1:26:38Second reading resolution report from

1:26:40the personnel administration committee

1:26:42resolution 125 committee sub sponsored

1:26:45by President Green.

1:26:47Okay. Sponsored by President Green,

1:26:51Alwoman [snorts] Spicer, Alman Devote,

1:26:53alderwoman Velasquez, Aldwoman Sonier,

1:26:56and Alman Aldridge. Call for public

1:26:58apology and consideration of censure.

1:27:04>> Alderman from the 5th, you are

1:27:05recognized on the second reading

1:27:07resolution 125, committee substitute.

1:27:10Madame President, members of the board,

1:27:12uh I move that the board adopt

1:27:15resolution 125, committee substitute.

1:27:19>> It's been moved by the alderman from the

1:27:20fifth, seconded by the alderwoman from

1:27:22the 7th, and we adopt uh resolution 125

1:27:26uh committee substitute. Uh Mr. uh

1:27:30alderman from the fifth, uh you may

1:27:32continue.

1:27:35>> Thank you, Madam President.

1:27:37Uh we're we're here today considering

1:27:40this particular resolution

1:27:43because it's our firm belief or at least

1:27:46I believe it should be this entire

1:27:49board's firm belief that words matter

1:27:53that attitudes matter that tone matters

1:27:58that as public officials that rule are

1:28:03those principles uh things that that the

1:28:07vast majority of 10year-olds recognize

1:28:10that they particularly apply to us and

1:28:14they have to apply to us. I think we

1:28:17would all agree that we are public

1:28:19officials that we stand in front of our

1:28:22communities. uh that while our

1:28:24communities disagree with us on certain

1:28:28things, at the end of the day, they look

1:28:31toward us and they look for us to set

1:28:35the example on how

1:28:38each of us and our communities and

1:28:41frankly how this city must and how we

1:28:44shall act.

1:28:46Again, words, tone, attitudes matter. Uh

1:28:52we're here specifically because one of

1:28:55our own used language that I think we

1:28:59can all agree upon is frankly

1:29:02inflammatory.

1:29:04The idea of putting a bullet in one's

1:29:06head, especially a colleague. It's the

1:29:10kind of language that should turn your

1:29:12stomach. It's the kind of language that

1:29:15should frankly anger you. We disagree.

1:29:19That's the nature of this business.

1:29:22We we just had a I I think what we would

1:29:26all agree to be a a a tone a a a

1:29:32wonderful discussion about a particular

1:29:34board. That's the way this discourse

1:29:37must and how it it must be. It's got to

1:29:40be. But using inflammatory conduct

1:29:44cannot be. Um, this particular

1:29:48resolution calls out that language and

1:29:52it says we simply can't countenance it.

1:29:55It can't be accepted. It can never be

1:29:59held out. And if in the heat of battle,

1:30:03in the heat of discussion and the

1:30:05exercise of emotion, such words are used

1:30:10that we're adults and we step back and

1:30:14we do that thing that our 10year-olds do

1:30:16and they acknowledge a mistake and they

1:30:19say, "I messed up. My bad. I'm sorry. I

1:30:25apologize."

1:30:27This resolution calls for that verbal

1:30:31reprimand, that recognition, that

1:30:34acknowledgement.

1:30:35None of this, none of this should be

1:30:38controversial.

1:30:40I realize we're electeds, but each one

1:30:43of us on a daily basis deals with other

1:30:46city employees, folks in the merit

1:30:49service. And all of us, especially all

1:30:53of us who have been along for multiple

1:30:56terms, perhaps decades, know that merit

1:31:00employees, those in that service, are

1:31:02governed by administrative regul

1:31:05personnel regulations. And specifically,

1:31:08there is one on the books 142 that says

1:31:11this exact kind of language cannot be

1:31:16constant. That the notion of violence

1:31:19toward a fellow employee, a co-worker

1:31:22is offbounds.

1:31:25It is not permissible.

1:31:28And that even the threat of violence is

1:31:32the kind of action that leads to

1:31:34discipline. And again, this is for folks

1:31:37in the merit service. And I realize that

1:31:40we are elected.

1:31:42But I think what we are doing here today

1:31:45by this resolution is we are saying if

1:31:48the conduct, if the rule, if the

1:31:50regulation is good for folks that work

1:31:53in the refuge department or the street

1:31:55department

1:31:57that deal with our public, it must be

1:32:00good enough for us. In other words, it's

1:32:05a reprimand with the idea that when you

1:32:08make an error, you use inflammatory

1:32:10language after you've cooled down, you

1:32:13step back and you say, "I'm sorry." And

1:32:18if you don't say, "I'm sorry," if you

1:32:21don't realize the impropriy of that

1:32:23conduct, then this board as a body says

1:32:28not good enough. That's what resolution

1:32:32125 committee substitute does.

1:32:36Those are my opening comments. I am

1:32:38obviously uh willing and uh ready,

1:32:42Madame President, to answer any

1:32:44questions that might be direct.

1:32:49>> Any further discussion? Alderwoman from

1:32:52the 12th. If the alderman from the fifth

1:32:56would yield.

1:32:57>> The alderman from the fifth yield to the

1:32:59alderwoman from the 12th.

1:33:00>> Yes.

1:33:01>> Alderwoman, you may proceed.

1:33:02>> Um, you just mentioned a rule 42. Is

1:33:05that what you said pursuant to rule 42?

1:33:08That's what I heard you say.

1:33:11>> Department of Personnel Administrative

1:33:14Regulation number 142. Madam

1:33:16>> Oh, but not our rules.

1:33:18>> Not our rules.

1:33:19>> Okay. But 142, the Department of

1:33:21Personnel. And when they say who that

1:33:24applies to, does it say it applies to

1:33:26elected officials and alderman? Cuz

1:33:28that's my question to you.

1:33:30>> Uh, no ma'am. Uh, 142 applies to city

1:33:33employees,

1:33:34>> but not to elected officials and

1:33:35alderman.

1:33:36>> Agreed. Correct.

1:33:37>> All right. But we do have a um set of

1:33:40rules that governs us and we have a

1:33:42charter. Is that correct?

1:33:45>> Yes, ma'am. We do.

1:33:46>> Okay. And our rules

1:33:49state that our rules are pursuant to the

1:33:53charter and the charter limits what we

1:33:55can do um to employees. So even if say

1:34:00the president said all people were

1:34:01getting drunk on the floor which that

1:34:04does apply to um there are some things

1:34:07that you can do and there are some

1:34:08things that you can't. Um, even if my my

1:34:12right to vote was taken away, that would

1:34:14be things you could do and things you

1:34:15couldn't. Even if you took my seniority

1:34:20on the first day we came back here after

1:34:22I beat you and the mayor and the

1:34:24treasurer, there are some things we can

1:34:26do. Even if

1:34:29the KKK, when that doesn't apply to

1:34:32people here, but if the KKK is in the

1:34:34city of St. Louis, and they have been

1:34:35since I've been here, and I had a mayor

1:34:37who said, "Oh, they can't march. They

1:34:39can under the first amendment rules. Our

1:34:42rules apply to us

1:34:45when it is something that happens on the

1:34:48floor of the board of alderman. It is

1:34:50what the charter says. It does not

1:34:52expand you to go outside of that. And if

1:34:55you want to try to go to the personnel

1:34:57rules and talk about a censure, you're

1:34:59not going to be successful. So you do

1:35:02that and you try that. And what I want

1:35:04to say that I stood here two weeks ago

1:35:07and said if anybody wants to know what

1:35:08happens come and ask me. And who asked

1:35:12me were three alder people. The alderman

1:35:16from the 9th called and talked to me.

1:35:18The alderwoman from the 11th alder woman

1:35:21from the 13th. You did not. But you

1:35:24sponsored a resolution and you didn't

1:35:26ask what happened. You didn't talk to me

1:35:28and you talk about tone.

1:35:32So, first of all, I want to say I was a

1:35:34a public defender. I've said things on

1:35:37this floor I immediately apologized for

1:35:40when we were 28. One of them is I called

1:35:43who is now the chief of staff for the

1:35:45board, I'm sorry, for the board

1:35:47president. I called her silly and

1:35:48immature. I had stayed up all night and

1:35:50I took a $7.6 million pot of money and

1:35:53sent it to um North St. Louis where it

1:35:56belonged. And I'd said that and and I

1:36:00immediately heard myself and said, "Oh,

1:36:02I'm sorry. I'm so sorry that I said

1:36:05that." And I said it so many times that

1:36:07Rachel over here from St. Louis Public

1:36:10uh TV, she wrote a story about and said

1:36:13and she kept apologizing. Um and many

1:36:17other members of the board of alderman

1:36:18who didn't like the president um and

1:36:20didn't like her chief of staff sent me

1:36:23texts saying, "Why do you keep

1:36:25apologizing?" I'm not arrogant. I don't

1:36:30pretend to think that I don't make

1:36:31mistakes. But this is one that people

1:36:33are making up. And that's why I'm not

1:36:35going to apologize. And that you would

1:36:38come and bring something and that you

1:36:40didn't even have the decency after I

1:36:42said if you want to know, come and talk

1:36:44to me. That speaks to you and your

1:36:46prosecial nature and that you guys don't

1:36:49tr you try to go around and not follow

1:36:51the rules. You all were gungho about

1:36:53what you were going to do to the sheriff

1:36:55and how you had all this authority to do

1:36:57it. And I told you you did not. And I

1:37:00was correct. I'm very much a rules

1:37:02person. And I'm not going to explain it

1:37:04on the floor of this board of alderman

1:37:05cuz you didn't give me the courtesy of

1:37:07asking what happened or to hear. You

1:37:10also didn't ask me come to the

1:37:12committee. Will you come? Which when the

1:37:14president was accused of something, she

1:37:16really did it. And I still defended her

1:37:19cuz you cannot censure. When you talk

1:37:21about censure, you cannot censure. The

1:37:23rules don't allow it. The uh charter

1:37:27doesn't allow it. Whether you like it or

1:37:28not, it doesn't allow it. You can do a

1:37:31resolution. You're perfectly allowed to.

1:37:33We do them all the time down here. And

1:37:36then we take pictures.

1:37:38Words does matter, but the appearance of

1:37:41fairness and trying to do something in a

1:37:44proper way also matters. And if you have

1:37:46not asked me and you did not invite me

1:37:48to the committee, you are on a high

1:37:50horse that you have no business be being

1:37:53on. Shame on you and anybody else who

1:37:55put their name on this and had no

1:37:57conversation with me. That's

1:37:59embarrassing. You are an attorney. And

1:38:01part of being an attorney is that people

1:38:03have a right to their day in court if

1:38:05they're accused of something. And you,

1:38:07this board is the most immature board

1:38:11I've ever served with. I've never served

1:38:13with a group of people who think that

1:38:15they can just run and do something

1:38:16because they want to cuz I'm going to

1:38:18just show her. That is always I served

1:38:22with boards where people did not like

1:38:24each other. But when it came to certain

1:38:26matters, they had the dignity and the

1:38:29common courtesy to ask them if you're

1:38:31going to try to censure me, which you

1:38:33can't because your resolution doesn't

1:38:36mean anything. If you're going to try to

1:38:38hold me of something that I said um not

1:38:42to a person, but that's all I'm going to

1:38:44get into it and you don't listen to what

1:38:46happened, then no, I'm not only not

1:38:49apologizing. I'm not sorry because if

1:38:52you had listened to it, this did not

1:38:54happen yesterday or two weeks ago. So,

1:38:58you don't know that because you are I

1:39:00have never seen somebody so willing as

1:39:02yourself

1:39:07to try to persecute and prosecute. And I

1:39:10was appalled when you all did that to

1:39:12the sheriff. I was the no vote. And when

1:39:15I questioned you about the law, there

1:39:17was no place you can find it. And you

1:39:18finally said, "Well, see, you can go

1:39:19over here." No, you can't. No, you

1:39:22cannot. And you're going in deep water.

1:39:25I would suggest you have absolutely

1:39:27right to do a resolution, but it's not a

1:39:30censure saying we think Sharon Tyus

1:39:32should apologize

1:39:34and we're asking her to. When you go any

1:39:37further step, you're going to step into

1:39:39something that's going to be a legal

1:39:41thing and then you're going to have to

1:39:42deal with it a different way. If you

1:39:44didn't do your due diligence, you ought

1:39:46to be ashamed of yourself. Did you ask

1:39:48me? That's a question. Is did you ask me

1:39:50what happened?

1:39:51>> Uh, actually, alderman to to older

1:39:54woman. woman.

1:39:55>> Alderwoman, uh, to set the record

1:39:57straight, you did make that statement

1:39:59last week on the floor. Um, before I

1:40:02left this building last Friday, I placed

1:40:06a call to you. Uh, I did place a call to

1:40:09you and I left a voicemail for you. Uh,

1:40:12it was with respect to the resolution

1:40:15that you had filed with respect to the

1:40:17hospital. So, if we're going to be

1:40:20straight and you're going to accuse me

1:40:22of not reaching out to you, let's be

1:40:26crystal clear to everybody on this board

1:40:29and to the public

1:40:32that I did place a call to you, that I

1:40:35specifically mentioned in my voicemail,

1:40:38that I wanted to speak with you about

1:40:40the background, that I wanted to speak

1:40:43to you about the Homer Phillips u uh uh

1:40:46situation.

1:40:48I wanted to be educated and I did that

1:40:52before I left this building last Friday.

1:40:55So to be crystal clear, if we're going

1:40:57to if you're going to make that

1:40:59allegation, then will you admit that

1:41:02last Friday afternoon I placed a call to

1:41:05you before 300 p.m. and I left a

1:41:09voicemail for you and at no time after

1:41:13300 p.m. this past Friday did you do me

1:41:16the courtesy of returning that phone

1:41:18call.

1:41:19>> So I will be again. You didn't ask my

1:41:22did you speak to me is what I asked you.

1:41:24and then I will get into what you think.

1:41:26It's a yes or no.

1:41:28>> No, ma'am. No, ma'am. I did not speak.

1:41:31Okay. Now, I want to answer you. You did

1:41:33call me and you left a message about

1:41:35want to know about the Homer G. Phillips

1:41:37issue. You never asked me what happened.

1:41:40I thought you you said, "I've read all

1:41:41the material and I want to be brought up

1:41:43on to speed about the Homer G. Phillips

1:41:46and I have the tape." So, it's again and

1:41:49in mind it's not doctorred. There's not

1:41:51a 25 second uh uh uh clip because I

1:41:54never have in my life made a 25 second

1:41:56speech and everybody who knows me knows

1:41:58that. But you did not say I want to know

1:42:02about the alleged incident. So I thought

1:42:04you wanted to know more about what I had

1:42:06sent you. Okay. Not about the incident.

1:42:09You did call me and I don't know what

1:42:10date but it's on here cuz I keep all my

1:42:12message but your message was not clear

1:42:15that you wanted to talk about the

1:42:17incident. Mr. Browning called me, the

1:42:19ninth ward alderman, and then he called

1:42:21me back. We had a atlength discussion as

1:42:25did the alderwoman from the 11 and the

1:42:27alderwoman from the 13th and and nobody

1:42:29else called. So you did not make

1:42:32yourself clear. You said you want to

1:42:35know more about Homer G. Phillips. That

1:42:37is something I want people to know. I

1:42:39have some more facts to give you about

1:42:40Homer G. Phillips. It wasn't about that

1:42:42incident. It was about the senior people

1:42:47who I have been fighting for for three

1:42:50years. And so I now have pictures, I

1:42:52have incidents, but you did not say I

1:42:55want to know about what occurred with

1:42:56the uh alleged incident. So that is why

1:43:00I did not get back to you cuz I was

1:43:02putting more information. So you were

1:43:04not clear in what you're saying. Okay.

1:43:07Okay. Or what you said and I haven't I

1:43:09can let you hear it and you'll hear that

1:43:10you're not clear. I in the meantime

1:43:13Alderman Browning called me and then I

1:43:16called him back. We paid telephone tag

1:43:18but he wanted to know about it and so we

1:43:20had a conversation. So if you don't even

1:43:23so if you didn't do it a common courtesy

1:43:26with a resolution is to invite the

1:43:28people. They invited the the president

1:43:32when she was the 15th ward alder person.

1:43:34Now I told her not to come because I

1:43:36defended but they did invite her. You

1:43:38all did not because you're on a

1:43:40persecution um political trail and

1:43:43you're not going to get what you want.

1:43:45And I as I said you I have a first

1:43:47amendment right first of all to say

1:43:49this. It's protected speech. You have a

1:43:52first amendment right to pass a

1:43:54resolution. But I'm going to say this.

1:43:56There is we both know when you file

1:43:59false police reports you get into a

1:44:01murky thing. Okay? Let them keep doing

1:44:04it. I am not unprepared is what I'm

1:44:07going to say. I am not under the

1:44:09personnel employees. I'm under the rules

1:44:11of the board of alderman and you are

1:44:13trying to get to my conduct that did not

1:44:15occur in this building and did not occur

1:44:20in the leisure room as it did when the

1:44:22president lied on um Sam Moore. It's

1:44:25something that occurred someplace else

1:44:27and you're going to be the minute that

1:44:28you try to make it something else.

1:44:30You're going to be in murky murky

1:44:32waters. So, I am it. I'm glad for when

1:44:35you invite me to the committee meeting

1:44:37and you ask me cuz I'll be glad to have

1:44:40that conversation. I will not have it

1:44:42here because you already passed it out.

1:44:44And that's persecution and prosecution

1:44:47without a defense and that you would

1:44:49say, "Well, I called you and I said,

1:44:51"What? I want some more about the Homer

1:44:52G. Phillips." You didn't say, "I want to

1:44:55know about that incident." I'm thinking

1:44:57again, you want to know about the facts

1:44:58of what's been going on on Homer G.

1:45:00Phillips. Because I'm not on that

1:45:01incident because I already know what

1:45:04happened. I'm on why isn't anybody

1:45:07covering that these black senior

1:45:09citizens are being abused. And the press

1:45:13came at me, never mind the money. We

1:45:15don't care about that. Why haven't you

1:45:17done that? Now, Mr. Malone, I see he

1:45:19came at me and the citizens there told

1:45:22him, why are you coming after all Tyus?

1:45:24Because she's the one that's been

1:45:25looking after us. I've called the

1:45:27building division. I've called fire

1:45:29department. there was a fire in the park

1:45:31place and they couldn't get in certain

1:45:33doors. I was there on Christmas Eve with

1:45:35my legislative assistants handing out uh

1:45:39uh uh electric blankets because our the

1:45:43people who are in charge of homogene are

1:45:45so irresponsible. They haven't fixed the

1:45:47heating and cooling in years and they

1:45:50have all this money they don't want to

1:45:52explain where it is. And they gave them

1:45:55space heaters, more than one. And I had

1:45:58to say, "Nope, space heaters don't work.

1:46:00That's a fire to be had." And so we

1:46:03convinced the city, and I want to say

1:46:05thank you to Chris Carter Jr., not

1:46:08senior, and to uh Valerie Russell and

1:46:12the mayor even, they all worked, got

1:46:15together, and liked my idea of giving

1:46:17blankets. So again, you have not didn't

1:46:21make yourself perfectly clear. I can let

1:46:23you hear what you said. You did not ask

1:46:25me. You could have called me and said,

1:46:27"Hey, did you give me I I'll call you

1:46:29back." But I just thought you were

1:46:31asking for more data. So, I actually put

1:46:33more data together. You did not ask me

1:46:36that it's not a hearing, that it's a

1:46:38lynch mob. And I already had my lynch

1:46:41mob. I laughed because you talk about

1:46:43censure. We have no authority to do a

1:46:45censure. Um, and even if you did talk

1:46:49about I'mma take her seniority, I'mma

1:46:52take her committees.

1:46:55They already did that in n in 2023

1:46:58because I won. There has been an ongoing

1:47:01uh persecution of me and I and I say it

1:47:05all the time, it's a

1:47:07dictatorship down here. Um that makes no

1:47:10sense. The rules were all changed to

1:47:12give the president all of the power. You

1:47:15don't know that because you weren't

1:47:17here. But your predecessor could really

1:47:20fill you in. and he left very angry

1:47:22after being talked about and talked

1:47:25about that he was one of the people

1:47:27drunk and he will tell you that and I

1:47:30didn't pursue her. Now, she actually

1:47:32comes under our rules of doing something

1:47:35on the floor of the board of alderman.

1:47:36And I'm not sorry because it's not what

1:47:40you think. And nobody even said, "Can we

1:47:42validate the the um

1:47:46the video?" Is that what happened? What

1:47:48is the context? It is a rush to judgment

1:47:51and a rush rush to um try to prosecute

1:47:55somebody without having any kind of

1:47:57defense at all. And you did not have

1:47:59anybody there saying, "Does Sharon Ty

1:48:01have anybody here?" You just did

1:48:03something that was underhanded. And I

1:48:05had the only way I knew what was going

1:48:06on is that the alter person from the

1:48:0813th called me and said, "I'm waiting

1:48:10here. Why aren't they here?" There's

1:48:12that's not how you conduct anything.

1:48:14You're not fooling anybody. You're not

1:48:16trying to do anything fair. Go on with

1:48:19whatever you think you're going to do.

1:48:21But if you step over anything other than

1:48:22a resolution, then you're going to step

1:48:25into something that you didn't mean to.

1:48:27If you want to do a resolution saying

1:48:28you all think I should apologize, do it.

1:48:31It is not a censure. We don't have the

1:48:33ability and you should send this back

1:48:36and invite me to talk to the committee

1:48:38or you talk to me or put it on the

1:48:39informal calendar, but you have no right

1:48:41to try to condemn me without a

1:48:44conversation. And as far as words go,

1:48:47this person over here told me he will be

1:48:50glad. And he says so many things about

1:48:52age and old that people started saying

1:48:55it on the online and saying um they

1:48:58rebuked the uh alderman from the third

1:49:01because he was saying all this stuff and

1:49:02old and all of this kind of thing and

1:49:04they said wow he keeps saying this and

1:49:06he been doing it for years. They told me

1:49:08to when they stripped me of my seniority

1:49:10for what? I didn't know it was a crime.

1:49:12Oh it's a crime to have be a black woman

1:49:14and have an education from from um

1:49:18uh Washington University have a law.

1:49:20It's a crime to have seniority. It's a

1:49:22crime to have experience. Those are all

1:49:25crimes at this board of alderman. It's a

1:49:27crime to have a ward that was successful

1:49:29and you did $60 million. So, the only

1:49:32way we could get rid of you is to split

1:49:34your ward up and to take all of your

1:49:36twothirds of your people's vote away.

1:49:39Those are all the things that have been

1:49:41a thing ongoing here because people

1:49:43don't want black people to speak up for

1:49:45black people. That is what I was saying

1:49:47to the alderman from the ninth about

1:49:50what is it that you why you trust and we

1:49:54don't can you imagine you have an award

1:49:56with three or four um neighborhoods and

1:49:59you can cuz you have one but I had one

1:50:01also and I voted the hill we have and I

1:50:04have all that stuff that's the good

1:50:05thing of being around for a long time

1:50:08documentation is a mug okay so when you

1:50:11come with this about what you're going

1:50:12to do whatever you need to do but you

1:50:15have Not. And if you came before a judge

1:50:17and said, "Well, she wasn't there." Did

1:50:19she have a lawyer? Did Did you invite

1:50:21her? No. That is not how you conduct a

1:50:24hearing. Now, that may be how the uh

1:50:27president cuz she's been trying to get

1:50:28me forever. Um but I'm never going to

1:50:31yield to her dictatorship or your rush

1:50:34to judgment or prosecutorial nature. Do

1:50:37what you need to do. But you have not

1:50:40even done it. If you had come to me and

1:50:41it was somebody else, I would say you

1:50:42didn't invite him. That would have been

1:50:44my senior experience telling you that's

1:50:47what you should do. And when you and I

1:50:49have talked, you have talked about my

1:50:50experience and you assume that I'm

1:50:53looking at somebody taping me and

1:50:55looking at the other person taping me

1:50:57and that I said these things and you

1:50:59never said what's the context. Okay. You

1:51:02never did. And you said when I called

1:51:03you and said, "I want to have some

1:51:04more." Cuz I I sent you documentation

1:51:07that I was supposed to expect you were

1:51:08talking about that. I didn't. I thought

1:51:10you were talking about documentation and

1:51:12I gathered more. I gathered pictures. I

1:51:14ga I gathered dates and times of what

1:51:17had happened because I thought you were

1:51:18not believing me because that's what I

1:51:20got from all the white press about when

1:51:24they wanted to talk about Homer G.

1:51:25Phillips

1:51:27only

1:51:30only I when I said I wasn't going to

1:51:32have that ridiculous conversation

1:51:33anymore. But they really wanted to have

1:51:36something salacious and that's what you

1:51:38all are trying to do. And I'm not a

1:51:40salacious person. They even challenged

1:51:41me. Why didn't you come to the press? I

1:51:43don't. I talked to Mr. Austin Hig good

1:51:46on many occasions. He can tell you the

1:51:48number of times I called him. I don't

1:51:50call Elliot Davis mostly. I don't call

1:51:52press that's been coming down here for

1:51:5330 years. I have never found it to

1:51:55mostly be in your benefit to try your

1:51:58stuff in the press. That's what you all

1:52:00are trying to do. But what you don't

1:52:02know is you're having a backfire. In my

1:52:05community, they see this as a

1:52:07prosecution. And you're trying to take

1:52:09the one voice down here that has been

1:52:11consistent over these years to speak up

1:52:14for black communities and what's going

1:52:16on and to for you all not to be doing

1:52:18anything about the Homer G. Phillips.

1:52:20You trying to go around that that don't

1:52:22exist. They don't see that is being

1:52:24fair. They So, what you're doing is not

1:52:27fair. So, do whatever you need to do.

1:52:29But if you have not heard from me, you

1:52:32have not been a good lawyer. Whether you

1:52:34are a defense or prosecu prosecutor, you

1:52:36should have said we needed the

1:52:38alderwoman here. And if you haven't done

1:52:40that, shame on you. And you did not make

1:52:42yourself clear. And I'm not going to

1:52:45keep going over this salacious things.

1:52:47You want to keep it in the press. It's

1:52:49not hurting my means of being reelected.

1:52:52It's helping it in a way that it kind of

1:52:54scares me. is put my face on the uh TV

1:52:59so that when I go places, civil rights

1:53:02advocates, um people of free speech,

1:53:06young people, my LA and I went to

1:53:09Applebee's last Friday, I could not eat

1:53:12for the people telling me how much they

1:53:15support me. I was just like shocked. The

1:53:17week before that, I went out University

1:53:19City, same thing. Black people out

1:53:22there, you don't know my my story.

1:53:25You've never had your vote taken away

1:53:27and your war tore up for being

1:53:29successful. But you are so arrogant to

1:53:32me that you would not have hear me and

1:53:35you did not invite me to the committee

1:53:38hearing when you have other committee

1:53:40hearings about things. You invite

1:53:42people. So what you all are on is a

1:53:44witch hunt and I reject that. And you

1:53:47have no authority to censor me and

1:53:49you're trying to bring the personnel uh

1:53:51rules up and they don't apply either.

1:53:54and you're going to find out. And as

1:53:56soon as you do the next step, then we're

1:53:58going to do the next step. And I heard

1:54:00that the president made a little thing.

1:54:01She's always talking about suing. I do

1:54:04talk and then I usually say, "Let's

1:54:07okay, suck it up and let's go on." But

1:54:09I'm not going to go away with this one.

1:54:11And um that you've already admitted that

1:54:13you didn't even give me a chance to have

1:54:15any kind of conversation is ridiculous.

1:54:19So um if you want to know what happened,

1:54:21I told you before. and then you ask and

1:54:25if you want to have a committee hearing

1:54:27then you invite people but if you have

1:54:30not you have not done anything that is

1:54:33near any kind of fairness and you don't

1:54:35have to be fair and you assume that

1:54:37something was said and that those uh

1:54:40that video is correct and not out of

1:54:43context or what goes around that video.

1:54:46Um so I am not going to apologize. You

1:54:50do not have

1:54:54the authorities

1:54:56under our rules

1:54:58to persecute, prosecute, censure. You're

1:55:01using that as a salacious term that we

1:55:04just do not have the ability to do. And

1:55:07you are way out there talking about

1:55:10something that did not happen in a

1:55:11workplace and did not happen. And you're

1:55:14going to be wrong again. And I would

1:55:16suggest, you hear me from a person who's

1:55:18been here for a long time, that that

1:55:20ain't going to happen. That will not

1:55:22happen. And we will have everybody who

1:55:24thinks that's okay in court. And we will

1:55:27have a fight because you cannot do that.

1:55:38>> Any further?

1:55:39>> I would like I would like to respond. I

1:55:41know that was quite a bit of

1:55:43information, but I would like to take a

1:55:45few moments to respond. First, I'm going

1:55:49to give you the same courtesy or I'm

1:55:51going to give you the courtesy that that

1:55:54you failed to give to Alderman Aldridge,

1:55:56and that is apologize.

1:55:58To the extent that my language in my

1:56:01voicemail when I reached out this last

1:56:04Friday to you was inexact or imprecise,

1:56:08I apologize. I'm sorry.

1:56:12I can do that. Uh I think second let's

1:56:16talk in terms of what this resolution is

1:56:19because you have just referencing taking

1:56:21away committee assignments or parking

1:56:24spots or whatever else to be crystal

1:56:28clear with respect to 125 committee

1:56:32substitute. It does talk in terms of a

1:56:35censure and it defines that word. So

1:56:39it's not meant to be uh solicitious. It

1:56:43it's it defines right in in the language

1:56:46what we're talking about defined as a

1:56:49verbal reprimand without sanction or

1:56:52denial of any privilege or office. Now

1:56:55what this does do is it recognizes one

1:56:58of the points that you do acknowledge

1:57:01from a United States Supreme Court case

1:57:04that you actually cited on the floor

1:57:06this past week. County of Houston I

1:57:10believe versus

1:57:12>> Yes. And I can't remember

1:57:14>> right. You can just say

1:57:15>> the county of h county of Houston. Yes.

1:57:18>> That's why I'm laughing.

1:57:19>> That that talks in terms of the first

1:57:21amendment right of a council or a board,

1:57:25a legislative body just like this to

1:57:28stand up and say that particular

1:57:31language is not acceptable.

1:57:34>> That is correct.

1:57:36>> Third and and I think this is very

1:57:39important.

1:57:41You have challenged the veracity of this

1:57:44audio or this video that we have all

1:57:48seen that's been circulating throughout

1:57:50the media.

1:57:51>> Okay.

1:57:53>> As we as you sit here today, do you deny

1:57:57that you told a group of community

1:58:00folks, quote, "If you was in my black

1:58:04caucus, you would be the first person

1:58:07I'd put a bullet."

1:58:08>> Alderman, are you inquiring?

1:58:10>> I am. Uh, alderwoman from the 12th,

1:58:13would you yield to questioning from the

1:58:14alderman from the fifth?

1:58:15>> I will.

1:58:16>> Alderman, you may proceed.

1:58:18>> I appreciate that. Thank you, Madam

1:58:20President.

1:58:22I want to make sure that we all are that

1:58:24we all are on the same page.

1:58:28You have challenged the veracity of the

1:58:31videotape.

1:58:33My question to you is, do you admit that

1:58:37you said to a community group, quote,

1:58:40"If you was in my black caucus, you

1:58:43would be the first person I'd put a

1:58:45bullet in your head.

1:58:48>> I have told you

1:58:51and I'm going to say it again. Ask me,

1:58:54come and have a conversation with me.

1:58:56Put it in context. I'm not having this

1:58:59debate on this floor because you have

1:59:01not given me the uh right to come before

1:59:03a committee which I would have. Um and

1:59:06if you ask Alderman Browning inquire of

1:59:08him, he called me and we had maybe an

1:59:11hour conversation. Ask Alderwoman from

1:59:14the 11th the 13th. What I am saying is

1:59:17that you're going to give me the right

1:59:19to come before the committee which I

1:59:21will then talk to you. It's already I've

1:59:23already had a media press release which

1:59:27talks about the context. Context is

1:59:30everything. If I say I'm going to kill

1:59:32and then somebody puts that out that

1:59:35roach. It's a context. So what I am

1:59:37saying to you is that you have not done

1:59:40things properly

1:59:42and you are not trying to you are not

1:59:44going to get very far and I will really

1:59:46caution you don't do the personnel thing

1:59:47cuz then you give me a lot of rights

1:59:49that if you just want to say from this

1:59:51board of alderman we think Sharon should

1:59:53do an apology you have every right under

1:59:55the case you sign it okay I wasn't

1:59:58trying to hide it um if you talk to some

2:00:00of the people uh served with me for a

2:00:02long time they will tell you I am not a

2:00:04liar and if something is not on my side,

2:00:07I will say it. So, I'm not You're

2:00:09absolutely right. But there's more. And

2:00:12that you think you can come and

2:00:14prosecute and persecute me without

2:00:17inviting me to a meeting. Who was at

2:00:19that meeting? Who didn't say, "Hey, we

2:00:22need to have invited Alderwoman Tus."

2:00:25Then you could have said because when

2:00:27Megan didn't, I'm sorry, President

2:00:28Green, but she was the 15th ward

2:00:30alderman. When she didn't come, Tom

2:00:32Villa got mad at me and said, "Where is

2:00:34she?" And I told him, I told her to stay

2:00:37at home and I did because we don't have

2:00:40a right for censure. So that's what's

2:00:42salacious. You do not have a right for

2:00:44censure. You have a right to bring a

2:00:46resolution cuz censure comes with a

2:00:48whole bunch of things. You have a right

2:00:50to have a resolution saying you think I

2:00:52ought to apologize

2:00:55and you can pass it. Not in bank because

2:00:58I won't be voting for it, but you can

2:00:59pass it. And I don't challenge that.

2:01:03I also don't challenge that. You may

2:01:07think what happened, but you you haven't

2:01:09had a conversation. When we have a trial

2:01:12and put people on trial, they have a

2:01:14right to come before the tribunal, which

2:01:16is the personnel committee, which I

2:01:19served on for many years. They have a

2:01:21right. You didn't do that. You see, I

2:01:23didn't apologize to Alderman um

2:01:25Aldridge. He has never apologized to me

2:01:28for all the little remarks he made uh

2:01:30about age. And I always laugh because

2:01:34we're either you get older. My mom told

2:01:36me something a long time ago. She's 91.

2:01:38She said you can die a young pretty

2:01:41corpse or get older and aged. I want to

2:01:45I'm older and aged. And I appreciate

2:01:47that. He's too immature to even know

2:01:50that he doesn't understand aging. Okay.

2:01:53So, but you're a lawyer. If nobody else

2:01:55in there, you should have said we need

2:01:58to bring Alderwoman Tus in here. That

2:02:00you didn't do that is something that is

2:02:03wrong. If you want to hear what I have

2:02:06to say, then either come to me

2:02:08personally and I'll tell you or bring me

2:02:10back before the committee or pass this

2:02:12resolution. Um, but if you're trying to

2:02:14do personnel, you're going to be sorry.

2:02:17And then you would say, "We weren't

2:02:19trying to do that." Just passed the

2:02:20resolution. You all think that I should

2:02:23apologize. It has no more weight than um

2:02:28all the resolutions that you pass. I'm

2:02:30never taking so in my 30 years of

2:02:32service under this president. We take

2:02:34pictures and again know this if I have

2:02:38done something wrong and I know it. I

2:02:41say it. I own it and I have done it on

2:02:43this floor. So something ought to ask

2:02:45you. So ask uh Christina and Gracia, did

2:02:48I apologize? You don't have to ask her

2:02:50cuz I can tell you the date where you

2:02:51can see. Ask Rachel. She wrote the

2:02:54story. So, there's something more to

2:02:56that, but you didn't want to do it

2:02:58because you're using that to beat the

2:02:59drums. Why Miss Ali Stewart is down here

2:03:02today and I can have this room filled up

2:03:06with people who support me because you

2:03:08have not done the process. I am a rules

2:03:10person. I tell you that all the time. Do

2:03:12it right. And then we'll have a

2:03:16conversation. I'm not going to yield any

2:03:19kind of information when you have a

2:03:21hearing, a tribunal, a prosecutotorial

2:03:24tribunal, and you didn't invite me to

2:03:25it. That's the kind of mess that happens

2:03:28to black people all over America. Um,

2:03:30and as Johnny Cracken would say, a rush

2:03:33to judgment. And nobody I'm laughing

2:03:35because nobody except for the people who

2:03:38I know said, Sharon, they were the first

2:03:40people to say, there's no way you made a

2:03:4225second tape. It isn't. There's a lot

2:03:46more to that that you don't know. And

2:03:49like I said, I just gave you an example.

2:03:51If I make a video that says I'm going to

2:03:53kill, and that's what they show, and

2:03:54they don't say these roaches, it'll make

2:03:56it like I was getting ready to kill. A

2:03:59video is only as good as the

2:04:01verification. So, if you want me to

2:04:04answer anything, call me. I was not on

2:04:07uh uh my phone with Alderman Browning.

2:04:10I'm sorry, the from the ninth. I'm not

2:04:12supposed to say names. Please forgive

2:04:13me, Alderman. Um um but I wasn't on with

2:04:16my uh lawyer. We had a very frank

2:04:20conversation and then you would have

2:04:23things in context and context means all

2:04:25the world. So no, I'm not going to

2:04:27answer that. But if you want to pass a

2:04:30resolution, do it. And I'm not going to

2:04:33give you any answers, but we'll give

2:04:35them to you if you call and talk to me,

2:04:37if you bring me to the committee, cuz

2:04:39that's a no no to have a hearing and not

2:04:42invite people. That's bad legislation.

2:04:46That's bad. And I want to tell you

2:04:47something. There are centuries. The h US

2:04:50House has a censure. The US Senate has a

2:04:53censure. The state house has a censure.

2:04:56The state senate has a censure. I can

2:04:58show you all my legal work. They have to

2:05:01have rules. You have to be able to know

2:05:03what you violated before you censure

2:05:05somebody. That's why you we only give if

2:05:09you say um something on the floor.

2:05:12That's when we give the right because uh

2:05:15then you get out of the context and you

2:05:17get into something else. Again, I

2:05:19perfectly agree that you have the right

2:05:22to pass a resolution saying you think I

2:05:25should apologize. But if you pass that

2:05:27resolution and you've never talked to me

2:05:28about it or heard what I have to say,

2:05:32then I don't care. If you hear me and

2:05:34you still say it, then at least you've

2:05:37heard me. If you bring me before a

2:05:39committee and you still say it, at least

2:05:42you had it. And by the way, conflict of

2:05:44interest for the alderman from the 14th

2:05:46to be a part of that. So you know that

2:05:48as a lawyer, okay? And that's outcome

2:05:51the what you need to know and talk to

2:05:53your predecessor how she just put who

2:05:55she wants to. She picked the black

2:05:56leaders in our community. I just want to

2:05:58know if we can pick the Irish leaders,

2:06:00the Asian leaders, uh the white power

2:06:03leaders. You picked you didn't say who

2:06:06the caucus wants. You picked them. That

2:06:08was ridiculous. So, if you want to do

2:06:11something, go ahead. But I'm not going

2:06:14to answer any question. If you don't,

2:06:16you say you're sorry. I don't think you

2:06:18did that maybe on purpose. I hope you

2:06:20didn't. I think you maybe did want to

2:06:22get information, but that was not what I

2:06:24understood. And I can give you what I

2:06:27have put together because I got had Joe,

2:06:30my my legislative assistant, go take

2:06:31pictures. I put together facts cuz

2:06:34that's what I had sent you. If you had

2:06:36said I want to know about the uh and if

2:06:37I hope you hear me when I'm saying that

2:06:39I would have had a conversation. I

2:06:41waited for some other people to call me.

2:06:44>> Alderwoman I welcome that conversation

2:06:47and I think at the least we can agree

2:06:49that I asked you to call me with respect

2:06:51to that. We haven't talked. You didn't

2:06:54return my phone call. Mr. Palm hasn't

2:06:56provided me with any information but so

2:06:58that we can move on. I do promise you

2:07:01that's a conversation I'm very

2:07:03interested in and I am very willing to

2:07:05look at the information that both you

2:07:07and Mr. Palm have put together. Also, I

2:07:10recall that last week while you were

2:07:12here, you promised to provide to this

2:07:15body the entire clip.

2:07:18I'd love to see it. I

2:07:20>> I I don't remember saying I had would

2:07:22have the clip. I said I was looking to

2:07:24get it. Um, so I want to go back. I am

2:07:27looking to get it. There is an entire

2:07:28clip, but even if it wasn't the clip,

2:07:32Mr. Malone, I want to thank him. I hate

2:07:34to keep using his name, but he actually

2:07:36came. So to me, even though you gave me

2:07:39hard questions, you actually came and

2:07:41cared about Homer G. That's what I care

2:07:43about. Okay? And you you could talk to

2:07:46him. The residents were very protective

2:07:48of me and challenged him while he was

2:07:51asking me question. And so I am looking

2:07:53forward. I know it. But there are actual

2:07:56residents who were there who would can

2:07:59tell you what happened. Nobody talked to

2:08:00any of them because this is a witch hunt

2:08:03that I'm not participating in. I'm going

2:08:05to when I leave here again, a lady got

2:08:07assaulted over at home G. Phillips. The

2:08:09people are having their cars put up on

2:08:12blocks and their their tires and stuff

2:08:14are being stolen. This is a building

2:08:17that the city of St. Louis owns and we

2:08:19have questions about $113 million. Now

2:08:23the real other question is why was

2:08:25Alderman Aldridge getting in the middle

2:08:27of something that I have been working on

2:08:28for three years?

2:08:29>> Point of order, President.

2:08:31>> Okay, I'm sorry, Alderman from the 14th.

2:08:34>> Um, final question so that we can move

2:08:37on and and I apologize for dragging this

2:08:39on. Um, we are here to talk about this

2:08:43particular resolution and we're here to

2:08:45talk about certain statement or certain

2:08:48language. Would you agree with me that

2:08:52the statement I pull it a bullet in your

2:08:55head directed at a colleague, a fellow

2:08:58alder, is inappropriate

2:09:01in today's day and age in the matter of

2:09:04public discourse?

2:09:05>> I Oh, I'm sorry.

2:09:07>> And as you said to me, Alderman, this is

2:09:10a yes or no question. Would you agree

2:09:12with me that such language I'd put a

2:09:15bullet in your head?

2:09:17>> And I have a backup question. Are you

2:09:19saying that that's what I said and

2:09:20that's what happened?

2:09:22>> I'm just asking you with respect to

2:09:25would you agree that such language is

2:09:29inappropriate. Simple question

2:09:30>> and and not unless it's in context. And

2:09:33so that's why I'm saying if you hear the

2:09:35context and then you ask me now what

2:09:37what I say it's something I've used.

2:09:40It's an analogy that I've used all of my

2:09:42life because I'm military and when the

2:09:45military talks about something they talk

2:09:46about going in a foxhole. So what now

2:09:49what I can give you I'll give you a

2:09:51colonel. Okay. And my colonel would be

2:09:53Sharon. Don't use that analogy anymore.

2:09:56Okay? That's what I would give you

2:09:58because and and why I give you that is

2:10:00because a lady contacted me and said

2:10:03that she was uh it brought back a lot of

2:10:05bad memories and we had a conversation

2:10:07and then she said, "Well, make them stop

2:10:09putting it out there." I said, "Have you

2:10:11ever seen me put it out there?" She

2:10:13said, "No." So, I will give you and I

2:10:15will agree. I don't use that analogy

2:10:17anymore, but all of my life I used it

2:10:19because it's an analogy. We also say got

2:10:22a bullet on your back. When I start, I

2:10:24went and looked at all the references we

2:10:26have, the things about guns. It's a lot

2:10:28of them. Then now I'm go, "Oh." And I

2:10:31guess I sound like somebody who's always

2:10:33used the n-word. Okay. And then you say,

2:10:35"Oh." People start telling you, but it

2:10:38was an it's an analogy. And I've used it

2:10:41for many, many times. And if it's a yes

2:10:44or no answer, it is that I'm going to

2:10:46stop using analogy.

2:10:49>> Good enough. Thank you.

2:10:52Any further discussion? Any further

2:10:55discussion? Alderwoman from the first.

2:10:58>> Thank you, Madam President. Members of

2:10:59the board, would the alderman from the

2:11:01fifth please yield?

2:11:02>> The alderman from the fifth yield to

2:11:03questioning from the alderwoman from the

2:11:05first.

2:11:06>> Yes.

2:11:07>> Alderwoman, you may proceed.

2:11:08>> Thank you. Um, thank you alderman. Can

2:11:10you please tell me what was changed the

2:11:12committee substitute during the hear?

2:11:18I can tell you and I don't have the red

2:11:20line version in front of me.

2:11:21>> Just an overview. Fine.

2:11:23>> I know that generally speaking the

2:11:24original uh resolution 125 talked in

2:11:27terms of censure

2:11:30and removal of certain benefits of

2:11:32office. Um two significant changes were

2:11:36made. Number one the term censure was

2:11:39defined. So in the committee substitute

2:11:42as you now have before you there is the

2:11:44definition of censures defined as a

2:11:47verbal reprimand without sanction or

2:11:49denial of any privilege of office. That

2:11:52is new language. Uh akin with that

2:11:55language then the request or the the

2:11:59suggestion that there would be some

2:12:01discipline or some removal of a

2:12:04sanctioned or denial of a privilege

2:12:06would so pulled out of the resolution.

2:12:09The resolution as this reads now uh is

2:12:12clearly stating that it's a comination

2:12:15of the language

2:12:17without an apology.

2:12:20>> Okay. Thank you. I appreciate you

2:12:22answering the question. Uh I'm I'm a

2:12:24co-sponsor of this resolution. Um

2:12:26frankly because what was said is not

2:12:28acceptable. Um no one on this floor

2:12:31should accept it. Uh no one in the city

2:12:33of St. Louis should accept it. I had

2:12:34many of my conituents reach out and tell

2:12:37me how embarrassed they were by their

2:12:38board of aldermen after this. So I think

2:12:40in standing up and saying something

2:12:42back, we are hopefully taking a little

2:12:44bit of that respect back for ourselves.

2:12:47You know, frankly, some of the most

2:12:48awful things I've ever heard anyone say

2:12:50to each other is others face have been

2:12:53said um by the alderman from from the

2:12:5512th on this floor. Um, and I don't

2:12:57think many of those things are

2:12:59acceptable, but a lot of times we sit

2:13:00and we listen and we have those things

2:13:02said on the floor because we don't want

2:13:04to drag out the conversation even

2:13:06longer. But I stood up today because I

2:13:08will drag the conversation out a little

2:13:09bit longer because you don't say those

2:13:11things about a colleague. You don't say

2:13:12them about anything. And the first

2:13:13amendment does not protect it because

2:13:15the first amendment does not protect the

2:13:17inciting violence. It does not protect

2:13:19imminent threats. Does not protect that

2:13:22kind of language. And neither should we.

2:13:24So, I am a proud co-sponsor. I think it

2:13:28was an awful thing to say about anyone,

2:13:30a colleague in particular. Uh, and I

2:13:33will not take any questions from the

2:13:35alderman from the 12th. Thank you.

2:13:38Any further discussion? Alderwoman from

2:13:41the 11th. Thank you, Madame President,

2:13:43members of the board. Um,

2:13:47I really didn't want to weigh in on this

2:13:49thing at all, but in my time down here

2:13:52at this board of alderman, this thing

2:13:54has not been done fair or equitably.

2:13:57Words matter. I've heard words here on

2:14:00this floor in this chamber

2:14:04that are horrible. They may not rise to

2:14:08the occasion of a bullet in the head,

2:14:10but they're still harmful and hurtful.

2:14:13I've heard things like this board will

2:14:15be much better once all the old people

2:14:17are gone. And then I watch the alderman

2:14:21of the 13th ward

2:14:24be gone after in her election by members

2:14:28of this board who sought to unseat her.

2:14:32Then I was next.

2:14:35You know when where does it stop?

2:14:38Where does it stop on a regular basis?

2:14:42and and I I just my heart goes out for

2:14:45Sam Moore, God rest his soul, and for

2:14:51um the alderman of the previous alderman

2:14:53of Fifth Ward, who's a a dear friend and

2:14:56for some reason his name escapes me

2:14:58right now. Thank you.

2:15:00>> Um who was accused, this man has a

2:15:03stellar reputation

2:15:06in this city on this board. This man was

2:15:10accused

2:15:12of being drunk here at work.

2:15:17That shouldn't have happened either.

2:15:20His reputation,

2:15:22though I don't believe it was harmed,

2:15:25but it was harmful in the essence of

2:15:28what was said that this man was drunk

2:15:34in the commission of doing his duty to

2:15:37our city.

2:15:39a man with a stellar reputation

2:15:42who has served our city very well and is

2:15:45shameful.

2:15:47If I were to say some of the things that

2:15:50I've heard said here on this board, I'm

2:15:53sure I might be in the paper as well,

2:15:56but it's not done equitably.

2:15:59people say what they want to say and

2:16:01it's like well you since you're not part

2:16:03of the click and I feel like I am in a

2:16:06middle school high school girl click

2:16:09then it's allowed to ride we just going

2:16:12to ride it ain't no big deal

2:16:15but attack a member of the click

2:16:19then it's a problem

2:16:21so no

2:16:24if we're going to begin to have these

2:16:27conversations

2:16:29about who we're going to censure and

2:16:31what we going to do. Then let's make

2:16:34sure all of us are right all the time.

2:16:38Not when it's convenient to get rid of

2:16:41the ones that you want gone.

2:16:45So keep doing what you're doing because

2:16:46people are watching.

2:16:49They're seeing it.

2:16:51I had colleagues right here on this

2:16:53board of alderman, the president of the

2:16:55board of alderman come for me.

2:16:58I serve my ward. I serve my people. I

2:17:01don't bother anything. And I heard from

2:17:03another colleague that the reason was

2:17:05because I won't do what she says. Lord

2:17:08have mercy.

2:17:09>> I don't serve the president of the board

2:17:11of alderman. I serve the people of the

2:17:14elevated 11th ward and I do it with

2:17:17pride and I do it with dignity. and I do

2:17:21everything that I can to uplift my

2:17:24community.

2:17:26This situation needs to stop. I'm really

2:17:30tired of hearing about it. If we're

2:17:33going to be right, let's all of us be

2:17:34right. Don't come for one and don't come

2:17:37for everybody.

2:17:40Cuz there's room

2:17:42for everybody to get a taste of this

2:17:45stuff that's going on. So, let's stop it

2:17:48now. And no, I will not be taking any

2:17:51questions.

2:17:54>> Alderwoman from the 13th.

2:17:57>> Uh, thank you, Madam President. I had

2:18:00spoke at the personnel committee in

2:18:02regards to this resolution and uh I'd

2:18:05like to ask uh uh them when we spoke

2:18:10when I spoke we are elected to do a job

2:18:15and we are not doing the job as elected

2:18:19officials. I explained to the president

2:18:23when I first got the call just what the

2:18:26alder woman from the 11 said, "If you

2:18:29gonna do it, you do it across the

2:18:31board." I am embarrassed because we're

2:18:34not down here doing the work. We're not

2:18:37functioning as these elected officials

2:18:41and the other woman from the 11 is

2:18:43correct. other older people have been on

2:18:46this floor and made statements that were

2:18:50totally disrespectful to their

2:18:52colleagues.

2:18:54Now, everybody that knows Autooman Tus

2:18:57knows that she's emotional. She balls

2:19:00stuff up. I mean, we get that. And I'm

2:19:03not saying I can I support the

2:19:06conversation,

2:19:07but what I am saying is I don't support

2:19:10the behavior.

2:19:13It's no way in the world that they

2:19:15should have had discussion at that

2:19:17personnel meeting and they did not have

2:19:20her there to defend herself.

2:19:24It's no way in the world a meeting was

2:19:27at publicized to start at 11 and did not

2:19:32start to almost 12:00.

2:19:34It was publicized.

2:19:37So we are looking like we are

2:19:39dysfunctional. We're not doing the

2:19:41business of the city.

2:19:43We are functioning on our own

2:19:46personalities.

2:19:48Contrary to some beliefs, I'm here to do

2:19:51a job. My job is to take care of my

2:19:54residents.

2:19:56My ward is

2:19:59getting in any else's business.

2:20:02But you can't. And I told the president

2:20:05that you can't pick and choose who you

2:20:08want to hold accountable. If we're going

2:20:11to do it, I agree with the orderwoman

2:20:13from the 11. We need to go all the way

2:20:16back and start doing it as a board. We

2:20:21need to be statesmanship.

2:20:24We need to talk about etiquette

2:20:27and make sure that our residents know

2:20:30how we are proud to represent them and

2:20:33we're not down here to do the willy

2:20:36dilly and playing games. This is not a

2:20:38game to me. I don't know about nobody

2:20:40else. This is my job.

2:20:42Thank you,

2:20:48>> woman from the seventh.

2:20:52>> Thank you, Madam President. Members of

2:20:54the board, I too have really planned on

2:20:57sitting in my seat and not saying

2:21:00anything on this. Um, you know, what I

2:21:05want to address first and foremost is I

2:21:07do apologize to any member of this

2:21:10board. If I have ever used language to

2:21:12you that you felt was offensive or

2:21:14insulting, I would apologize to you.

2:21:16I've had intense debate with several

2:21:18members of this body sometimes where we

2:21:21got hot and things got intense and later

2:21:23on we had to come back and say, "Listen,

2:21:25even though I don't agree with you, I

2:21:26still feel how I felt. I recognize that

2:21:28the tone that I use, the words that I

2:21:30used, those weren't the best. And I want

2:21:32to apologize to you because yeah, we may

2:21:34disagree on this, we may disagree on

2:21:36that, but we have a people and a city to

2:21:38serve. So, we've got to be able to get

2:21:40past that." Um, I think I've

2:21:42demonstrated that in real time. some

2:21:44folks who I've had the biggest um

2:21:46disagreements with either in committee

2:21:47or on the floor. I've come back and

2:21:49worked with legislation with them on it

2:21:51because as best as possible, certainly

2:21:53not perfect, I try to center my

2:21:55decisions. And since the situation come

2:21:57up in the media, what I've heard from my

2:21:59constituents is, you know, a shared

2:22:01sense of embarrassment and

2:22:02disappointment. It's like all the women,

2:22:04y'all have a third of your city that are

2:22:06still living under tarps. Y'all have a

2:22:08third of y'all. You got 391 people, we

2:22:10just learned this week in budget, who

2:22:11are estimated to be homeless by the end

2:22:13of the We do not have the affordable

2:22:15housing stock for them. You have too

2:22:17much going on to be spending time

2:22:19discussing this at all. That is what I

2:22:21get from my constituents. They are like,

2:22:24why? How does this even have time to

2:22:25discuss this when you got sink holes in

2:22:28the middle of downtown, you got

2:22:29crumbling infrastructure, you have a

2:22:31housing crisis, you have a public health

2:22:32crisis. We had a situation on South

2:22:34Graham where business owners are trying

2:22:36to figure out how can I run my business

2:22:38in this difficult climate and be a case

2:22:40manager and a social worker. Can you do

2:22:42something about that? And so to the

2:22:43people I serve, it's very much a all of

2:22:45this is a waste of time and I want you

2:22:47to stay focused on the business and my

2:22:49needs. That's what I sent you up there

2:22:50for. And at the same time, as a human

2:22:52being, as a human being, as a person,

2:22:55there has been a lot of disrespect on

2:22:57this board. There's been a lot of

2:22:58comments even today. There's been

2:22:59commentary about white people picking

2:23:02black leaders. I don't know what that

2:23:03means because the seventh war picked me

2:23:04by almost 70%. So I don't know who's

2:23:07been referenced when those comments are

2:23:08made, but I've been picked by my war, by

2:23:10my voters, by my constituent because of

2:23:12my work ethic. And when I give comments,

2:23:14I don't even comment on that because

2:23:15that's between your war. I've had folks

2:23:18on this board say things during election

2:23:19season, during campaign season, doing

2:23:21things I didn't care about, but I brush

2:23:23it to the side and stay focused because

2:23:24I understand at the end of the day it's

2:23:25going to be my voters who make the

2:23:27decision. But at the end of the day, the

2:23:29fact that we have to as an elected body

2:23:32have a discussion around whether or not

2:23:34we should require the basics of respect.

2:23:36Respect is not me not changing a rule

2:23:39you don't like. Respect is not me

2:23:41agreeing with everything you say.

2:23:42Respect is not even us voting together.

2:23:44Respect is just an agreement that

2:23:46there's a certain type of way I'm not

2:23:47going to talk to you. And I have

2:23:48personally stood at this mic and taken

2:23:50chint to the chin. I've had my mother

2:23:53here when I first became an older woman

2:23:55and got disrespected in front of my

2:23:56mother and my grandmother with her

2:23:58seated here. And I took it to the chin

2:24:00because I learned early on on this board

2:24:02that unfortunately that's what comes

2:24:03with being a leader. And sometimes on

2:24:05this board, especially a black leader,

2:24:07you get disrespected in ways that I

2:24:08think in any other job I had, there

2:24:10would have been serious consequences. We

2:24:12would have been in human resources and

2:24:13that person would have gotten

2:24:14consequences. But you consistently take

2:24:16it to the chin. You consistently take it

2:24:18to the heat. You try to give grace. to

2:24:20try to stay focused on the folks and on

2:24:22the people. And so, in regards to

2:24:23today's conversation, I agree with a lot

2:24:25of the sentiments that came up, but I'm

2:24:27also a co-sponsor in this resolution.

2:24:28And I want to also be transparent.

2:24:30Comments that were made um the situation

2:24:33that happened around a former colleague

2:24:35social media comments and someone being

2:24:36called a drunk. I had a conversation

2:24:38with the president and told her that I

2:24:40didn't appreciate that language and I

2:24:41thought that she should apologize. And

2:24:43you know what she did? She apologized.

2:24:45So, I think that should be a part of

2:24:47conversation, too. It was like when a

2:24:48member of this body did something that

2:24:50was wrong and I disagreed. I called

2:24:51them. I had the conversation. It was

2:24:53around a Rams bill that I was carrying

2:24:55that escalated to that level of

2:24:56amendment. I called her privately and

2:24:58said, you know, I don't know what's

2:24:59going to happen. I don't know what's

2:25:00going to be next with that bill. But

2:25:02what I do know is I feel like a line was

2:25:04crossed whether I agree with all the

2:25:05involvement or not. I think that that

2:25:07social media back and forth is not

2:25:08helpful. It's not productive. It doesn't

2:25:10make the bill any closer to passing. I

2:25:12just think your comments were out of

2:25:13bounds. And in response, she issued an

2:25:15apology, which is what I think we owe to

2:25:17each other when we do make mistakes,

2:25:19when we do mess it up. And the fact that

2:25:20there would be anybody justifying

2:25:22comments that in any way use a bullet,

2:25:25whether it's an analogy, whether it's a

2:25:27metaphor, I don't care how you met it,

2:25:28it's not language, that's okay. And if

2:25:30it would have been vice versa, if it

2:25:32would have been any other member of this

2:25:33body who said that to another member of

2:25:34the body, I would have also co-sponsored

2:25:36the resolution. And I would have also

2:25:38said, I think that's wrong. We've got to

2:25:40have a standard of communication and a

2:25:42standard of respect and a standard of

2:25:43the quorum that applies across the

2:25:45board. And I do not confuse disagreement

2:25:47with disrespect, but disrespect

2:25:49especially to the point of the specific

2:25:51language of the bullet. There's been

2:25:53other comments made at meetings that I'm

2:25:54aware of where I've been called a house

2:25:56slave where other things have been said.

2:25:58I didn't mention it. I didn't file a

2:25:59resolution. I didn't even bring it up

2:26:00for conversation. Again, you learn in

2:26:02this role. Take it to the chin. Keep it

2:26:04moving. Don't worry about it. But at

2:26:06some point, there has to be a line. At

2:26:07some point you've got to say, "Hey,

2:26:09we've got business to conduct. We've got

2:26:11people to serve." That creates a toxic

2:26:13and an unsafe workplace. However you

2:26:15meant it doesn't matter. You can't say

2:26:17things that in any way insinuate

2:26:19violence. I don't really think that the

2:26:21woman of the 12th is going to actually

2:26:23hurt anyone. I do not believe that. If

2:26:24you ask me if I believe that, I would

2:26:26tell you no. I don't think physically

2:26:28she would harm anybody. I really don't

2:26:30believe that. The resolution is not

2:26:31about that. The resolution is about as

2:26:33members of this body, how should we

2:26:35conduct ourselves? And when you are a

2:26:38elected official, a public official and

2:26:40in your official capacity giving words

2:26:42regardless of how we did you disagree

2:26:44with somebody, I do not believe it's

2:26:46acceptable or appropriate in any way to

2:26:48begin to use violent language and you

2:26:50cannot when you use bullets specifically

2:26:52in this city like this with the gun

2:26:54violence we have. Yeah, I don't think

2:26:56that's okay and I don't understand why

2:26:58it's even a topic of conversation. My

2:27:00preference would have been that a

2:27:01different analogy could have been used.

2:27:02maybe one that didn't use violence or an

2:27:05analogy in your own time, not in your

2:27:06official capacity. But even now getting

2:27:08to this point of kind of just doubling

2:27:10down and saying, you know, I meant this.

2:27:12There was that. It just doesn't take

2:27:14much just to say, listen, I'm I'm my

2:27:16bad. I'm sorry. I I didn't mean that. I

2:27:19I could have worded it better. I still

2:27:20don't like you. I still don't want to be

2:27:22reelected. I hope you lose your next

2:27:24election. I mean, there's a whole slew

2:27:25of things you say. We're legislators.

2:27:27We're good with our words and our

2:27:28language. We have vast vocabularies.

2:27:30That don't mean you have to use a

2:27:31certain level of violent rhetoric to do

2:27:33that. So, I want to stand on this floor

2:27:35and make sure that I acknowledge to the

2:27:36people who I'm proud and honored to

2:27:38serve. And honestly, to the city of St.

2:27:39Louis that like I apologize to you that

2:27:42we even have to take this time with all

2:27:44the things we have going on. Again, 391

2:27:47people whenever money runs out that we

2:27:49gave are going to be facing homelessness

2:27:50and we know we don't have the housing

2:27:52stock for them. We have folks living

2:27:54under tarps right now. We've got

2:27:55communities that don't have grocery

2:27:57stores in them. We've got crumbling

2:27:58infrastructure. I could keep going. We

2:28:01have serious issues right now. I have

2:28:02immigrant and other neighbors who are

2:28:04concerned about their race. We got a lot

2:28:06of stuff going on. I apologize to you

2:28:08that we even have to take our time to

2:28:09have a conversation about what it looks

2:28:11like to communicate respectfully in your

2:28:14official capacity. I do apologize to the

2:28:16residents of the city of St. Louis

2:28:17because I do believe that you deserve

2:28:19better than that. And I do believe that

2:28:21we should be taking this time to be

2:28:22debating policy and bills and budgets

2:28:24that are about you and not issues

2:28:26amongst ourselves because we don't know

2:28:28how to just have basic lines of

2:28:30communication or when we mess up and get

2:28:32emotional as humans, we can't just

2:28:34simply say, "My bad, I apologize."

2:28:43Any further discussion? Alderwoman from

2:28:46the 12th. Um, if the alderman from the

2:28:49ninth would yield. I'm sorry, not ninth,

2:28:51fifth would yield.

2:28:53>> The alderman from the fifth yield to

2:28:55questioning from the alderwoman from the

2:28:5612th.

2:28:57>> Yes.

2:28:58>> Alderwoman, you may proceed.

2:29:00>> Um, so you've been a lawyer for how many

2:29:02years now?

2:29:04>> 28.

2:29:05>> Okay. And did you ever do criminal law

2:29:07at all?

2:29:09>> I have not.

2:29:10>> Um, but do you do you believe in the

2:29:13right of the accused to face his

2:29:15accuser?

2:29:17in a criminal setting? Absolutely. Life

2:29:20liberty at issue? Absolutely.

2:29:22>> And do you even in a civil because

2:29:24you've done a lot of civil law, but when

2:29:26you have civil laws, you have meetings.

2:29:28You didn't think anything was wrong that

2:29:30I wasn't at the uh committee meeting.

2:29:33>> Uh I will tell you that we had video in

2:29:37hand. Uh my work 28 years doing civil

2:29:41work. I've got a videotape that shows

2:29:45action, that shows conduct.

2:29:5010 out of 10 times

2:29:52the person stands down and says, "I made

2:29:56an error. I screwed up." When confronted

2:30:00with that photograph, when confronted

2:30:03with that video, they say, "I'm sorry."

2:30:06And that's the end of it. That's my 28

2:30:10years of experience.

2:30:11>> I've been a lawyer. And if not, you're

2:30:12right. In that setting, we proceed to a

2:30:15jury trial and we have 12 folks

2:30:18>> correct

2:30:18>> in a jury trial look at that video and

2:30:21go, "Yep, the video is what the video

2:30:25is."

2:30:25>> So, I'm older. So when I started

2:30:28practicing um it was in the 80s

2:30:32and so we didn't I was a public defender

2:30:36and I did criminal law which all my

2:30:38friends laughed cuz they said you're

2:30:40going to put everybody in jail cuz

2:30:41you're prosecutorial and I am cuz I grew

2:30:44up in a small town and I am a black and

2:30:46white person so I hear where you're

2:30:47coming from except for that isn't what I

2:30:50found out. I used to believe the police

2:30:52would never lie. I believed it. If the

2:30:55police said it, it had to be true. My

2:30:57first three cases were things where I

2:30:59had to prove the police were not telling

2:31:01the truth. I boohooed and cried in my

2:31:04garage because that broke all of my

2:31:07beliefs about the police cuz I grew up

2:31:10around the corner from the police. I

2:31:11lived right down from the police

2:31:12station. I went to kids, went to school

2:31:14with the kids. The captain caught me and

2:31:17doing things and would tell my mom and

2:31:20they were white. They were not black. I

2:31:21never lived in a um segregated community

2:31:23until I came here. I always I've had the

2:31:26privilege and it was a privilege to get

2:31:28equal education when a lot of people

2:31:29didn't. Um so when you say about videos,

2:31:33it takes the young folks when we were

2:31:35over at Applebee's saying, "Miss Tus,

2:31:38why don't you have that entire video?"

2:31:41We know you didn't just say that part.

2:31:43Context is everything when you have a

2:31:45clip. And even the person who got the

2:31:48clip when I had a conversation with him,

2:31:50which would be I won't say one of the

2:31:52video uh media people had to admit, I

2:31:54know there's a lot more to that clip.

2:31:57When you look at a and I gave you a good

2:31:58example, I'm going to kill. If we cut

2:32:00that video off right there and you don't

2:32:02hear roaches, then something gets

2:32:04killed. You can believe that I'm going

2:32:06to kill, right? But when you hear the

2:32:08rest of it, there's a context. And

2:32:10that's why I wanted to have

2:32:12conversations with people or it just

2:32:13bring it to the committee. I do not

2:32:16believe and I have if I had been in that

2:32:19meeting I would have um and I'm not on

2:32:21personnel because the uh president had

2:32:24an agenda. She ran somebody against me

2:32:26along with the mayor and the treasurer.

2:32:28And when they couldn't beat me, you came

2:32:30and had a secret meeting. You don't know

2:32:32this. Maybe they had a secret meeting

2:32:35with little groups so she wouldn't

2:32:36violate the meeting laws to get them to

2:32:39agree to change all the rules which you

2:32:41all don't know. She made them all. So

2:32:42she has all the power. That was not our

2:32:45rules. I actually have written up all

2:32:46the rules and I'm going to now start

2:32:48bringing them out of how she has taken

2:32:50all the power to herself and that's why

2:32:52I call it a dictatorship. We had 35

2:32:55years of people who have rules so that

2:32:57everybody has a level playing field and

2:33:00we we used to be based on the United

2:33:02States Congress. Okay? And it was a much

2:33:04more. And you don't have to believe me,

2:33:06but talk to your predecessor if you're

2:33:07friends with him. He'll tell you the

2:33:09same thing. Talk to some former

2:33:10alderman. They'll tell you the same

2:33:12things. I am a rules person. I follow

2:33:14the rules. I So when you have had a

2:33:17secret meeting and I don't know anything

2:33:19about it until the day we get sworn in

2:33:21and I hear the outrage from the

2:33:23alderwoman from the first and the seven,

2:33:26but they were part of that secret

2:33:27meeting. And so when we got here, why

2:33:30would you strip

2:33:32in your experience in life, when

2:33:36somebody has education, seniority, and

2:33:38experience,

2:33:39and the only thing you have is that I

2:33:41couldn't beat them, is that a reason to

2:33:43strip them of their seniority? Because

2:33:45when you start and I'm first I'm going

2:33:47to ask if we're practicing lawyers and

2:33:50somebody has that in my experience the

2:33:52lawyers who have experience in my

2:33:54experience as an elected official we

2:33:57went to the people who had experience in

2:33:59education and seniority and that's how

2:34:02we learned things. So now all of a

2:34:04sudden because you can't beat me you

2:34:06have a political agenda to cheat me. I I

2:34:11I don't mean to cut you off, uh,

2:34:13Alderwoman, but but and you may have a a

2:34:16beef with President Green. No, it's not

2:34:18a beef. No, it's not, but you are cut.

2:34:20No, no, no. I'm trying to follow the

2:34:22discussion. How does this deal with what

2:34:25is your question?

2:34:26>> The order from the 1st and the seventh

2:34:27talked about how these things have

2:34:29happened and how they happened, but they

2:34:31didn't happen in a vacuum. They happened

2:34:34cuz they were at those secret meetings,

2:34:36but the order from the 11th, 12th, and

2:34:3813th were not. That is a violation of

2:34:41our rules. Okay. Um before that when I

2:34:44was the 20th ward alder woman when they

2:34:46could not beat me they tore up my whole

2:34:48ward and we didn't get a chance to vote

2:34:49for for six years which is illegal. I

2:34:52say all of that to say it's not anything

2:34:55that have been done. It was that we want

2:34:57to come. So to me again when you're at a

2:35:01committee meeting and you say I got all

2:35:03of this

2:35:05the person has a right to be there

2:35:08especially if you're talking about doing

2:35:10something to them that you didn't do

2:35:12that as a lawyer I feel that you were

2:35:15part of the persecution team that is not

2:35:17the same thing a committee is to try to

2:35:20get facts try to find out what's going

2:35:21on just because you have a video a video

2:35:24is not always right you didn't talk

2:35:26about the surrounding circumstances of

2:35:28what or when. So you want to make it

2:35:30it's all right. As I said, you can pass

2:35:33a resolution. If you go past that

2:35:35resolution and you try to do something

2:35:36else, it's not censure. You can call it

2:35:39that. There's no provision for a censure

2:35:41in our rules. It's only at the state

2:35:43level and it's only at the uh federal

2:35:47level. And they have specific rules.

2:35:49They have to tell you what you could be

2:35:50censured for. You know, that's when

2:35:52people want to make an ipso facto law

2:35:54and say, "Well, now it's illegal to have

2:35:56a blue pen or illegal to have a blue

2:36:00recycle pen." You can't make that law

2:36:02afterwards and then say, "I'm going to

2:36:03make it fit." You're not going to even

2:36:07give me the opportunity to come before

2:36:08the committee. I'm not going to talk to

2:36:11you about it. You said you made a

2:36:12mistake. You didn't make yourself clear,

2:36:15but you're here today um pushing it. you

2:36:19didn't get back with me the first time

2:36:21from the ninth called me. He didn't get

2:36:22me. But I called I called him back. But

2:36:26I thought I knew what you were saying.

2:36:28And that's a miscommunication. I don't

2:36:30give you any ill will. I'm just saying

2:36:33but when you got to committee as a

2:36:35fellow lawyer, I would have expected you

2:36:38to say we need to bring the alderwoman

2:36:40in here. We need to hear her side. I

2:36:42would expect that for the alderman from

2:36:44the uh fourth fourth also. And e either

2:36:48one of you, whether I liked you or not,

2:36:51would have had that respect for me. I

2:36:53would have said that we cannot have a

2:36:56hearing like this where we don't hear

2:36:57from the people. And I think that even

2:36:59if it's criminal, civil, what else, you

2:37:01should have done that. Okay. So

2:37:03>> I I understand, older woman, was that a

2:37:05question?

2:37:06>> No. So I again, you told me you didn't

2:37:09believe it if you have a video. Is that

2:37:11what you're saying?

2:37:12>> I'm sorry.

2:37:13>> You said you didn't believe people

2:37:14should have the right to be before the

2:37:15committee if there's a video.

2:37:17My belief is that the language I would

2:37:21put a bullet into your head is

2:37:24reprehensible and uncalled for and

2:37:28unexcusable

2:37:29and any forum for for those words to

2:37:32come out of a public official's mouth

2:37:35about excuse me let me finish

2:37:38>> about a colleague

2:37:39>> uh you're not and and you don't have the

2:37:40floor so you need to know about yielding

2:37:42so let me give you another rule when

2:37:44you're yielding you answer my question

2:37:46And if you don't want to, you say you're

2:37:48not. I want to know if you're saying you

2:37:51did not believe that I had a right to be

2:37:53before the committee. And if you're not

2:37:54going to answer that, I understand it

2:37:56because you want to make a speech, but

2:37:58I'm not yielding you that floor time.

2:37:59Did you Are you saying you didn't

2:38:01believe I had a right to come before

2:38:02committee?

2:38:03>> Absolutely. And if you

2:38:05>> Okay, thank you. I appreciate that.

2:38:07>> Fair enough.

2:38:07>> Absolutely. Believe that I should not

2:38:09have a right to come before the

2:38:10committee. That is your right. It is not

2:38:13what it should be your responsibility as

2:38:15an elected official. you want to tell me

2:38:16about stuff. I'm always going to fight

2:38:19even for the people I don't believe in

2:38:21that. How can you accuse them of

2:38:23something and you haven't heard anything

2:38:25that they said and you want to say I

2:38:27want to that's what's called a rush to

2:38:28judgment. Um growing up, not growing up,

2:38:32I was on the board when Johnny Cochran

2:38:34came along with the OJ Simpson and

2:38:36people hated that thing about rush to

2:38:38judgment, but now it's a common um

2:38:40phrase because that's what happened. I

2:38:42had to learn that as a young public

2:38:45defender because my rush to judgment is

2:38:47if the police said it, it must be so.

2:38:50And so that wasn't even fair to the

2:38:52people that I was defending. And I had

2:38:53to learn something different because the

2:38:56the law is set up to be fair. And we are

2:38:59legislators and we come down here and we

2:39:01do all kind of things that are unlawful

2:39:03and then we say our feelings are hurt.

2:39:05The older woman from the first said,

2:39:07"Oh, she heard terrible things from me."

2:39:09I heard I see terrible things that she

2:39:11do and has total disregard from anybody

2:39:14else except for what she thinks. And she

2:39:16says, "Oh, so I don't like that. I don't

2:39:18like my rights being taken." So what

2:39:21does that have to do with if you if you

2:39:24think that I'm supposed to be tried for

2:39:26something that I don't have a right just

2:39:28because you have a video that you allege

2:39:31is correct to even say, "Well, did you

2:39:34get the rest of the video? Here's it in

2:39:36context." If that's what you're doing,

2:39:38you have a right to you have a right to

2:39:40do that and you can pass a resolution.

2:39:42It will not be a censure. And if you say

2:39:44it's a censure, I'm going to ask you

2:39:46pursuant to which of our rules is there

2:39:48a censure? Pursuant

2:39:50>> is there a question?

2:39:51>> Pursuant I just asked you pursuant to

2:39:53which of our rule is there a censure

2:39:55allowed? This is a statement that is

2:39:59committee substitute 125 about what

2:40:03language is acceptable to members of

2:40:06this board.

2:40:06>> Pursuant Let me answer your question.

2:40:08>> No, you're not answering it. Pursuant to

2:40:10which of our rules is a censure allowed?

2:40:14>> The the first amendment of the United

2:40:16States Constitution as recognized by the

2:40:20United States Supreme Court in the case

2:40:22of County of Houston. That would be

2:40:25>> and as you know as a lawyer the United

2:40:27States Constitution

2:40:29>> trumps the city charter every day of the

2:40:32week and this is an exercise of this

2:40:35body to say that language is not

2:40:38permissible. It's not that language

2:40:41appropriate that language per the United

2:40:43Constitution.

2:40:45Um, and you're talking about the actual

2:40:47case also brings in and has things that

2:40:51it says that you cannot do. And if you

2:40:53read it, you should read the list of

2:40:55things that you cannot do. It is not a

2:40:57blanket thing of what you can do. And it

2:40:59does not take away the state's right or

2:41:02the city's local rights of what what

2:41:05also has to be the rules. We operate

2:41:08under a certain thing. And that case

2:41:10does not give you blank right to do

2:41:12that. So again, you're not censuring me.

2:41:15We don't have the power. You could call

2:41:17it a censure. You don't have the power.

2:41:19You could do whatever you want to. When

2:41:21you have a hearing and you don't invite

2:41:24the person to say anything, that is

2:41:27ridiculous for a lawyer, for a member of

2:41:30any legislative body. And in all the

2:41:32legislative bodies that that happens to,

2:41:35they have that you have to bring the

2:41:37person in. They have a hearing. They

2:41:39have process only down here. We don't

2:41:42want to have a process because we want

2:41:44to just run with it. And so that's what

2:41:46you're going to do. But I'm not going to

2:41:48apologize because you have not heard the

2:41:50full story. And if you want to hear the

2:41:52full story, then have a hearing with me

2:41:54there or have a conversation. Put it on

2:41:56informal and have a conversation with me

2:41:59and then you do what you want to do. Now

2:42:01the thing what I told you, but it didn't

2:42:03come from you guys. It came from me

2:42:05having a conversation with the lady who

2:42:07felt like that she was traumatized. When

2:42:09I heard her, then I said, "Hey, Tus, you

2:42:13don't need to use that language." Not

2:42:15from what you guys are doing, but why

2:42:17she explained it to me. And then I

2:42:19started looking at what other language

2:42:20do we use that talks about take a shot

2:42:23at, bulleton, and we use a lot of

2:42:25language that maybe we shouldn't. And so

2:42:29I started looking that up to say, "Well,

2:42:30maybe I shouldn't be doing that." But

2:42:32you still have not heard what happened

2:42:35and you make assumptions. And uh we have

2:42:38a another thing that says when you make

2:42:40an assumption who you make a ass out of

2:42:42you and me. So you have not heard what

2:42:44happened. You don't seem to want to. So

2:42:46do what you want to. There will not be

2:42:48an apology without me having the ability

2:42:50to uh go before some a tribunal and say

2:42:54what happened on my side. Thank you.

2:43:01Alderman from the 14th.

2:43:04>> Thank you, Madam President, members of

2:43:05the board. I will try to keep this as

2:43:08brief as possible because um I think

2:43:11we've been here long enough over

2:43:13something in my opinion that's uh very

2:43:15simple

2:43:18at down here at this board. We have we

2:43:21say a lot of lively stuff.

2:43:24[clears throat] I've said lively stuff.

2:43:26The older woman from the 12th ward says

2:43:29lively stuff. Alder woman from the

2:43:31seventh has. The older woman from the

2:43:33first has got

2:43:37passionate about when the data center

2:43:39conversation happened. Some people could

2:43:42have took that conversation personal and

2:43:43felt it was disrespectful

2:43:46in those back and forth of inquiries.

2:43:50I'm sure I haven't been perfect. I'm

2:43:52sure I've said things that people didn't

2:43:54like. maybe even can be considered

2:43:57disrespectful.

2:44:01But I think there's a line

2:44:04and Lord knows I wish my mother was

2:44:06around. I think there's a line of being

2:44:09disrespectful

2:44:12and to the women here who have children

2:44:16would understand if anybody were to say

2:44:20analogy, a summary, a metaphor,

2:44:24something I said three years ago and I'm

2:44:26saying it again now that

2:44:29if somebody was in my black caucus, the

2:44:32first thing that I would do is put a

2:44:33bullet in their head,

2:44:36crosses the line of being disrespectful.

2:44:39That leads to a whole another level

2:44:43of growing up in Car Square. Words like

2:44:46that are taken serious.

2:44:50You don't use those type of words. And

2:44:52let's talk about what happened on

2:44:54September 14th of 20 of 26 when the

2:44:58older woman showed up at Homer G.

2:45:01Phillips meeting around 4:00 and the

2:45:04meeting started at 3. a monthly meeting

2:45:07that they always have when I was on the

2:45:10phone with State Representative Kim

2:45:11Collins and not only heard it but got

2:45:14the video from her resident of a non dot

2:45:18let's get let's get to this ain't a dot

2:45:21video this ain't no AI it is a video of

2:45:26the older woman speaking for an hour and

2:45:285 to 10 minutes and no she didn't just

2:45:30mention me she brought up the treasurer

2:45:33and how he won't be treasurer along

2:45:35brought up other colleagues at this

2:45:37board and talking about me, talked about

2:45:40how if it wasn't for her, I wouldn't be

2:45:42a state rep that I was just a burger

2:45:46flipper. Shout out to the burger

2:45:47flippers out there.

2:45:50And then made the comment and is sitting

2:45:52here

2:45:54and saying

2:45:56it may be docked or there's context

2:45:58behind that. There's no be there.

2:46:01There's there there is no way

2:46:04that if I walk up to that alder woman

2:46:06and said that in a public setting

2:46:11at this board or not at this board that

2:46:13people wouldn't take those comments

2:46:14serious. If the shoe was on the other

2:46:16foot and I was being recorded and I said

2:46:19that I should be held accountable for it

2:46:22and I would have apologized if I said

2:46:24that that my emotions had got me to that

2:46:27level to say something to that

2:46:31to that level. Do I think the only woman

2:46:33of 12 will do what she said? No. She put

2:46:38no fear in my body. Only God does that.

2:46:41But do we live in a political climate

2:46:44where you make statements like such as

2:46:47those that we have not seen actions be

2:46:50taken on elected officials violently

2:46:53where they have been attacked, they have

2:46:55been shot at, their homes been

2:46:56vandalized, their husbands have been

2:46:58attacked, their family members. Yes,

2:47:00that is a real thing.

2:47:03We can have discourse down here and I

2:47:05have been part of that discourse. But I

2:47:08can't even

2:47:10believe

2:47:13that we are saying well disrespect. If

2:47:16we talk about disrespect, let's let's be

2:47:18fair. Let's all if we're going to bring

2:47:20disrespect up on that level, we need

2:47:21resolutions for everything. It's one

2:47:23thing to be disrespectful. It's another

2:47:25thing to say I will put a bullet in

2:47:26somebody head. And I don't think nobody

2:47:28can justify that. Let it happen to your

2:47:31son. Let it happen to your daughter. Let

2:47:34it happen to your niece, your nephew.

2:47:37And from the ones from the north side,

2:47:38we don't play like that. So, while we

2:47:41can keep going back and forth and say,

2:47:42"Oh, there's context behind it. Oh, that

2:47:45was just an analogy." And you already

2:47:47admitting that you wouldn't even use

2:47:48that analogy no more, you know, you was

2:47:51wrong.

2:47:53You just stated on this floor that

2:47:54somebody had to call you and tell you,

2:47:56and you thought about, hm, maybe I

2:47:58shouldn't do that. Maybe I shouldn't

2:48:00have said that. But you're also saying

2:48:02the video is docs. Which one is it?

2:48:04Wrong is wrong. Will the older woman

2:48:06from the 12 yield for questions?

2:48:11>> The older woman from the 12 yield

2:48:12questioning from the alderman from the

2:48:1414th.

2:48:14>> I surely will.

2:48:15>> Alderman, you may proceed.

2:48:17>> I'm no lawyer, so I'm just going to ask

2:48:18yes or no. And if you don't want to

2:48:20answer, totally understand. Alderoman,

2:48:22on September 14th, was you as Homer G.

2:48:25Phillips?

2:48:25>> I was.

2:48:25>> Senior living.

2:48:27>> Were you there when the meeting started

2:48:28at 3:00?

2:48:29>> No. So, you showed up

2:48:32around You showed up after the meeting,

2:48:34correct?

2:48:35>> No,

2:48:36>> the meeting started at 3:00. You were

2:48:37there at 3?

2:48:38>> I didn't show up after the meeting.

2:48:39>> Oh, I'm sorry. You showed up later in

2:48:41the meeting?

2:48:41>> During the meeting?

2:48:42>> Yes. Was that one of their general

2:48:45meetings that they have on a monthly

2:48:46basis?

2:48:46>> I've been to lots of them. Yes.

2:48:48>> So, that meeting was not tailored to

2:48:50Homer G. It was about just a general

2:48:53monthly meeting that they always have.

2:48:54Correct. No, they wanted me to come

2:48:56there because of all the problems

2:48:57they've been having at Homer G that I've

2:48:59been working on for three years. That if

2:49:01you read the documents that I've been

2:49:03trying to get to the bottom of it, that

2:49:05a lady had been assaulted at Homer G.

2:49:08That their tires had been removed and

2:49:10cars have been put up on. So, they

2:49:12wanted me to come. I think I had the

2:49:13email from Sharon Williams asking me to

2:49:16come. I always sent my LA there, but

2:49:18they wanted me to come because they were

2:49:21concerned about you um doing a board

2:49:24bill and you didn't know anything about

2:49:26>> and let's get to that. When did you file

2:49:27your board bill on Homer G Phillips?

2:49:28>> In May.

2:49:29>> In May.

2:49:32>> At that meeting when you was or the

2:49:36residents was concerned because I'm

2:49:37hearing something different and I've

2:49:38been talking with those residents

2:49:40>> and and but hold on. This is my inquiry.

2:49:42This is my inquiry

2:49:43>> email

2:49:44>> and have a meeting coming up with those

2:49:46residents.

2:49:49>> When you was at that meeting, did you

2:49:50make comments that you made me a state

2:49:52representative?

2:49:54>> I did. I I did make you a state

2:49:56representative.

2:49:57>> Did you make comments at that meeting?

2:49:58It's a yes or no.

2:49:59>> You know that.

2:50:00>> Is it a yes or no?

2:50:01>> I did. I did make

2:50:02>> You made that comment. Okay. Thank you.

2:50:03>> I I got no

2:50:07You know the rule. You know the rules,

2:50:09right? This is my inquiry.

2:50:10>> That is not correct. You know the rules.

2:50:12This is my inquiry.

2:50:13>> But what I'm saying is the rules.

2:50:14>> You know the rules. You can always not

2:50:17step aside.

2:50:18>> I told specifically what happened.

2:50:20>> Okay. Aldor Matias at September 14th at

2:50:24Homer G. Phillips. Did you make a

2:50:25comment that he's just a burger flipper?

2:50:29>> Just a ver burger flipper? That's not

2:50:32what I said. What I said is, and now let

2:50:35me just say this. This is where I'm not

2:50:37going to yield anymore.

2:50:38>> Okay. I am inquiring. Um, no, no, no.

2:50:41Then good.

2:50:41>> I am inquiry

2:50:46to to my colleagues at the board who

2:50:48have signed on as a co-sponsor. I

2:50:50appreciate it. To the people who have

2:50:53reached out to me and my ward about the

2:50:55comments and said there's no if and buts

2:50:57about it. There's no excuse of what was

2:50:59said. I appreciate it. I've had back and

2:51:02forths with the alder woman. I've never

2:51:05said anything where I would use a

2:51:08weapon, a bat, a bullet, a knife

2:51:12to her, any way to harm her. She may be

2:51:15upset about the seniority. She may be

2:51:17said about various things that go back

2:51:19way before we got down to this board and

2:51:21we hear it all the time how they took

2:51:22her ward. But when it comes to the

2:51:24comments and we have all received

2:51:28comments from the alderwoman as the

2:51:29alder woman of first said we have had

2:51:31conversations after the meeting like we

2:51:33just let that fly of how she said this

2:51:36how she's called the alderwoman of seven

2:51:37war just a black face being elected by

2:51:40white folks. How she said I'm not a

2:51:42black man because of my sexuality.

2:51:44There's been so many things that have

2:51:46been said, but to the level of where you

2:51:50will say you will put a bull in somebody

2:51:51head is inexcusable. And I think that is

2:51:54a point of this resolution is to say

2:51:56what we will accept and what we won't.

2:51:58Now, if we want to have another

2:51:59resolution about certain words and code

2:52:02of conduct, sure, but something was said

2:52:04in a video that was videotaped, it was

2:52:07not docked. It is not AI. That was from

2:52:10the alderwoman of the 12th that said if

2:52:12she was a black caucus, if she was a

2:52:14black caucus chairperson, the first

2:52:16person she would do or the first thing

2:52:18she would do is put a bullet in my head.

2:52:22We shouldn't stand by that. Thank you,

2:52:23Alderman Devote being a new alder person

2:52:27bringing up this resolution. Thank you,

2:52:29Alderwoman Sier. Thank you, Alderwoman

2:52:31um Schwitzer. Thank you, Madam

2:52:33President. Thank you to everybody who

2:52:34signed on and the ones that's going to

2:52:35vote for because that is not the level I

2:52:38think that we should lead with when it

2:52:40comes to those type of words. And I'm

2:52:43done and I will not yield to the

2:52:46alderwoman of the 124.

2:52:51Any further discussion? Alderwoman from

2:52:54the 12th.

2:52:56>> If the woman from the 11th would yield.

2:52:59>> Yes. The older woman from the 11th yield

2:53:02to questioning from the alder.

2:53:03>> Yes, I will. Um,

2:53:04>> alderwoman, you may proceed.

2:53:06>> So, the alderman from the 14th says that

2:53:08he heard all this stuff that I've said

2:53:09about every member of the board of

2:53:11alderman. Have you ever heard anything I

2:53:13said about you? Cuz that that would

2:53:15include you, right?

2:53:16>> Yeah. I I don't have any incident that I

2:53:18can point to.

2:53:19>> We have not had a a a exchange that was

2:53:23disrespectful. You and I have lively

2:53:25exchanges, but they've always been

2:53:28respectful. He also said that I attacked

2:53:31him about being gay, which is funny

2:53:33because before any of you all came down

2:53:36here and the altman from the third knows

2:53:38it, I was leading the pack of people who

2:53:41supported gay issues to the point that

2:53:43they would have the right to have before

2:53:45gay was acceptable and the Supreme Court

2:53:47put their stamp on it that they would

2:53:49have the right to do partnerships.

2:53:51That's just a bold-faced lie. He does

2:53:53that often. I know I got um some some um

2:53:57information from when he was running

2:53:59against the Bosley. He put out again,

2:54:01they don't like me because I'm gay. That

2:54:03don't have anything to do with it.

2:54:04There's hardly any when I got attacked

2:54:07for um supporting the uh partnership

2:54:10bill and my community came and said,

2:54:12"Why are you doing that?" I had to go

2:54:14before my community and say, "Do you

2:54:16mean you don't have gay people

2:54:18>> in your family?" Cuz we do. I'm one of

2:54:2032 first cousins. Do you have gay

2:54:22people?

2:54:22>> I do.

2:54:23>> That's right. So for him to say that

2:54:25lie, that's what he does. He lies about

2:54:28stuff and pushes it like it's something

2:54:30that's okay. Okay. So if you're saying I

2:54:34didn't say anything about you, I guess

2:54:36you're not everybody. What I think they

2:54:38must mean is that click that they have

2:54:40>> that disregards anything that anybody

2:54:43else has done and they just want to do

2:54:46what they want to do. Now he asked me to

2:54:48yield and I did. But then he said, "No,

2:54:51I will not yield to the alderman." Ain't

2:54:53that interesting?

2:54:54>> Yes.

2:54:57>> Okay. Just what you do. Okay. You want

2:55:00to say something and then you don't want

2:55:01to be called on. Okay. So, um cuz I want

2:55:05to ask him about his remarks about old

2:55:07people. Okay. So, have you heard those

2:55:10remarks before?

2:55:11>> I have indeed heard them. Um they were

2:55:13not necessarily directed at me, but I

2:55:16was still in the environment and it was

2:55:19disrespectful.

2:55:21If God blesses all of us, any of us to

2:55:26continue to age, we're gonna get there,

2:55:30you know, and to make those kinds of

2:55:33statements. I would like to think that

2:55:34at my age, at your age, at the age of

2:55:38some of the other alders who have maybe

2:55:40gotten past 40, that that came with a

2:55:45level of wisdom. It came with a level of

2:55:49knowing um how to treat people, that you

2:55:54don't say things on purpose that are

2:55:57hurtful, that you don't uh malign people

2:56:01because

2:56:02they are older than you. I think that

2:56:06that is one of the things that the board

2:56:09of alderman

2:56:11should count as an asset because you do

2:56:14have that diversity of age ranges and

2:56:18other things that make us a a group uh

2:56:23that has different elements and we all

2:56:25bring different things to the table. but

2:56:29to make it sound as if a mature woman or

2:56:33man would not have anything to bring to

2:56:39the table solely based on age is

2:56:43insulting.

2:56:44>> So at some point you came down here and

2:56:47you were a new alder person, right?

2:56:48>> That is correct.

2:56:49>> So have I ever made myself not available

2:56:52to you if you had a question about

2:56:54anything?

2:56:55>> No, you've always been available or

2:56:57called me back.

2:56:58>> Okay. And also, um, if you needed help

2:57:00with legislation, did I do that?

2:57:02>> Yes, indeed.

2:57:03>> And, um, I would even go to so far as to

2:57:06write the legisl.

2:57:07>> This is true.

2:57:08>> And it wasn't just with black older

2:57:09people. I did it with white older

2:57:11people.

2:57:11>> Absolutely.

2:57:12>> And help them. Okay. And um the

2:57:14alderwoman on the first is so worried

2:57:16about me. But when she was the alder

2:57:17woman of what was she the 12th, 13th or

2:57:19whatever, she was on my committee and uh

2:57:23I actually trained helped train her and

2:57:26Jova Carl would try to interrupt her and

2:57:29I would then say and the woman from the

2:57:3113th knows this because she was on the

2:57:33committee. Jova Carl would try to

2:57:36interrupt her and I would say leave her

2:57:38alone. They have to learn and they would

2:57:41have to learn. So, she is doesn't like

2:57:44what I say when it's something, oh, I

2:57:45know what she doesn't like. She doesn't

2:57:47like when I'm going remind her about

2:57:48that water bill that she's carrying

2:57:51because when I brought up water, they

2:57:53didn't want to hear it because again, if

2:57:55you're a certain age, you have nothing

2:57:57to contribute. And that whole thing of

2:57:59when they came down here, we're going we

2:58:01uh going to change and flip the board.

2:58:04>> And so, the only way you flip the board

2:58:05is you win. But you didn't win in your

2:58:08neighborhood, my neighborhood, or the

2:58:1013th war. You didn't accept the people's

2:58:13will

2:58:14>> and say, "Okay,

2:58:16>> we have um heard the people. They voted

2:58:20for these people." In fact, you were

2:58:22very worried about me. Um and then you

2:58:25called me the next day and said, "Wow."

2:58:28Okay. Um, and I had just come off a

2:58:30surgery for cancer.

2:58:31>> Mhm.

2:58:32>> And I ran my campaign really laying on

2:58:35my back,

2:58:36>> but the people did not like what and I

2:58:39got the literature that the uh president

2:58:41put out.

2:58:41>> Oh yes.

2:58:42>> Um, and the lies that were put out

2:58:44against me. And um, so the Ottoman from

2:58:46the fifth I have beef. I didn't have any

2:58:49beef. She brought the beef. That's what

2:58:51the problem is. When you bring the beef,

2:58:52then you think they're being mean to me.

2:58:55You bring the beef. Now, when you ran

2:58:56for office, did people from this board

2:58:58actually put their names?

2:59:00>> Put their names, put their faces? I've

2:59:03never gotten an apology.

2:59:05>> You didn't?

2:59:06>> No.

2:59:06>> Um, I will say that the alderman from

2:59:08the 14th always talks about age and so

2:59:11much that one of the uh people who is a

2:59:14part of the uh action St. Lewis

2:59:16mentioned him and said how he was making

2:59:20at least age discriminatory remarks and

2:59:22nobody called him to the off to order

2:59:24because you only get called to order if

2:59:26you one of the what are we the granny

2:59:28caucus.

2:59:29>> Mhm.

2:59:29>> Um I'm proud of the granny caucus.

2:59:31>> I I too I said I'm going to get me a

2:59:33shirt right

2:59:34>> that uh says proud member of the granny

2:59:36caucus.

2:59:36>> Ali Stewart is here.

2:59:37>> Come on Ali

2:59:38>> Ali Stewart is here and she's here

2:59:41because she's one of the people that I

2:59:43go to to talk to.

2:59:44>> Absolutely. I I

2:59:47she is a well

2:59:48>> and her birthday is coming up and she'll

2:59:49be 90. Yes.

2:59:51>> Thank you. I tell everybody my mom is

2:59:5391. Most Sundays I'm there um making

2:59:57sure she eats healthy. I am Christian. I

3:00:00had the chance last week to speak at the

3:00:02AM

3:00:04um annual meeting out in at the airport.

3:00:07I am Christian. I put holy water on and

3:00:10that's why I'm still here with all the

3:00:12things that have come against me. And

3:00:14people said, "Oh, she got something

3:00:16about moving her ward." No, it wasn't

3:00:18moving my ward. You took my community's

3:00:20right to vote. They don't seem to think

3:00:22anything is wrong with that.

3:00:24>> No.

3:00:24>> Black people died so we could have a

3:00:26right to vote. And by the way, did you

3:00:29ever hear of a lady who uh ran a thing

3:00:32for freedom for slaves? Um what was that

3:00:35lady's name? And she um let's see, she

3:00:37carried a gun to

3:00:38>> Oh, uh Tubman, I believe.

3:00:40>> Harriet Tubman. And what so we all know

3:00:44the story of Her Tubman helping people

3:00:46get to freedom, but we also heard the

3:00:48story about there would be some slaves

3:00:50that would say, "What is we going TO DO?

3:00:53WE CAN'T STAND FREEDOM." And the reason

3:00:55she had a gun was because if she didn't

3:00:58have that gun, then those people would

3:01:02challenge the whole passage and would go

3:01:05back and tell what had happened. Mhm.

3:01:09>> The dismissiveness of what you do and

3:01:12the horror of what you're saying about

3:01:15me. This is actual. When you took

3:01:17people's seniority and you didn't even

3:01:20let them come to a meeting, that's an

3:01:21action.

3:01:23It is not an analogy. It is an action.

3:01:26When you take take people's vote because

3:01:27you cannot beat them, that is an action.

3:01:30And it is also a violation of my civil

3:01:33rights and my community civil rights. It

3:01:35wasn't just me. it was thousands of

3:01:37people and they took the money and stole

3:01:40it. They're very dismissive of that,

3:01:42which scares me because they don't care.

3:01:45Everybody wants to talk about Donald

3:01:47Trump and what he does, but um many of

3:01:51the people who call themselves

3:01:53progressives,

3:01:53>> okay?

3:01:54>> Uh they treat black people like they do

3:01:57not exist and they should not have a

3:02:00right to have anything. And that's so

3:02:02interesting to me because

3:02:05those very people he asked me did I say

3:02:08I made him a state rep. What I said I

3:02:10would tell you is that he didn't have

3:02:13enough um people to nominate him when

3:02:16Bruce Franks got in trouble. He followed

3:02:18me right out there. I used to be the

3:02:20first word alderwoman. He followed me

3:02:21and came out. I cannot talk to you. I

3:02:24can't get enough people to be with me.

3:02:27It's easily easily verified. Wendy

3:02:30Campbell was the 20th ward committee

3:02:32woman.

3:02:32>> I recall

3:02:33>> I called Wendy Campbell and she said, "I

3:02:36can't stand him, Alderwoman. He is

3:02:38horrible. I don't want to be with him."

3:02:40I said, "Well, let's give him a chance.

3:02:43Let's see. You know, he's been out

3:02:44here." She said, "I'll do it for you."

3:02:47And that was the vote that he got so he

3:02:49could get nominated. Now, people are

3:02:51dismissive of that. But without that,

3:02:54the current um state rep is Marty Joe

3:02:57who that was who he was running with

3:02:58running against. But he got that. But he

3:03:00want to be dismissive because he want to

3:03:02say that's all right if I stab you in

3:03:04the back. If I take the things that your

3:03:06community hard for that I dismiss your

3:03:10education. And then he wants to talk

3:03:12about that. I said he was a burger

3:03:13flipper. Not in context again. But I

3:03:16will tell you this. I won't tell because

3:03:18they haven't asked me. When they ask me,

3:03:19I'll tell everything in context. I flip

3:03:21burgers and I'm really a cleaner. I have

3:03:24a law degree, but sometimes I clean. If

3:03:27I clean for you, I want to tell you it

3:03:29will be the cleanest place you ever seen

3:03:31cuz I'm going to move everything and

3:03:33clean behind it. I don't dismiss any

3:03:35line of work. And I've said this for

3:03:37many times. Um, every work is honorable.

3:03:40Okay? What's not honorable? if you're

3:03:42doing something to hurt people and you

3:03:44are uh breaking the law and that every

3:03:48work is honorable and if you let me be

3:03:50your janitor although I'm cleaning I may

3:03:53not know what a janitor does if you let

3:03:55me repair your cars and I've said this

3:03:58don't let me do your brakes or let me do

3:04:01um anything else on your car cuz you

3:04:03will be in trouble when I speak to

3:04:05Alderman Aldridge he doesn't know the

3:04:07things the reason why he wanted to be in

3:04:09the caucus is he wanted my knowledge And

3:04:12that's what he doesn't acknowledge. He

3:04:13wanted to have stabbed me in my back and

3:04:16then not only him thought I'm from the

3:04:18seventh and then talk about joining a

3:04:20caucus. So in that context there were

3:04:23some things said to his face and he

3:04:25knows it but now he's trying to run for

3:04:28office and he's in trouble and so he is

3:04:30now trying to make this a thing that he

3:04:32beats the drum and says, "Oh, I talk

3:04:34about everybody. There are a lot of

3:04:36people I disagree with and I don't have

3:04:38any conversation about them. You're one

3:04:40of them. The other one from the 13th,

3:04:43the fourth, um the third, there's

3:04:45[clears throat] all kind of people, the

3:04:46ninth. But he wants to make this because

3:04:49how dare them say something about me,

3:04:51but he can say anything he want to and

3:04:53that doesn't have any actions, right?

3:04:56>> If you're telling me it's better for all

3:04:57the old people to be gone, what are you

3:05:00saying to me?

3:05:02>> Are did you apologize? No. Cuz you can

3:05:04get away with that. You can walk around

3:05:06and strut. What he doesn't know is that

3:05:09I know so many people with all of this

3:05:11stuff going on. The police started to

3:05:13contact me and say woman ask him how

3:05:15many people how many police calls have

3:05:18gone to their house. It's all kind of

3:05:19people have said stuff to me. I don't do

3:05:22that stuff because I say things to

3:05:25people's face. Whatever was said was not

3:05:28supposed to be something out but he

3:05:30wants to make it it like it is. I have

3:05:33never in all these years not said

3:05:35anything I had to say to the person's

3:05:37face. Okay. Um I do care about this

3:05:40community greatly and I don't like um

3:05:42people who are unfair especially to

3:05:44North St. Louis

3:05:46>> and that's what happens when they start

3:05:48passing all these bills. We're going to

3:05:49pass a bill to take the money. It's

3:05:51unfair St. North St. Louis. We're going

3:05:53to pass a bill to change the way speed

3:05:55humps. It always is unfair to North St.

3:05:57Louis because they already got all the

3:05:58money. And unfortunately, because I've

3:06:00been here for a long time, I have all

3:06:02the paperwork showing where they took

3:06:06the block grant money and everything

3:06:07else. Okay, Ward Capital is way skewed.

3:06:11All of that is different and they just

3:06:13do it a little at a time. Promised us we

3:06:16were going to get Metro Link promised.

3:06:18And I'm here for all of these things and

3:06:20I'm watching all the lies. So when the

3:06:22attack comes and says, "Oh, she attacks

3:06:24everybody." Then I guess you're not

3:06:26anybody. And I believe if I asked the

3:06:28alderwoman from the 13th, she must not

3:06:30be either. No, because I don't think

3:06:32that um she would say that.

3:06:35>> So what he means by everybody is their

3:06:37click.

3:06:38>> And that means the click can have

3:06:39illegal meetings, not invite us,

3:06:42>> change the way seniority, um award uh

3:06:46committees and leave everybody out. That

3:06:49was not the way it was when it was a

3:06:50fair board. when it was a fairer board

3:06:53and it still had problems. Seniority,

3:06:55you got to pick a committee. And the

3:06:57reason why seniority was important

3:06:59because you rolls through and you're

3:07:00sitting on those committees. You learn

3:07:01how to run those committees. You learn

3:07:03the rules. You learn how to do things.

3:07:06But you can go and Google what do they

3:07:09do to black elected officials when they

3:07:10get to be a certain education or certain

3:07:12level and it will tell you about all the

3:07:14things that we do down here. They change

3:07:16the seniority rules. They take things.

3:07:18When the president was talking about how

3:07:20she was going to punish me, she said,

3:07:22"Well, I'mma do this. I'mma do this to

3:07:24her." And the other woman from the 13th

3:07:25said, "You already did." That's the

3:07:27problem. You already had an agenda and

3:07:30now you're trying to make your narrative

3:07:32go around your agenda, which is she

3:07:34doesn't deserve to have these things,

3:07:36and neither does her community. So, the

3:07:38good thing is my community is going to

3:07:40be able to vote. And that will be when

3:07:42she finds out that that little gang of

3:07:44three, which is down to one, will be

3:07:47having to look at what's going on. And

3:07:49if the alderman from the 14th will not

3:07:52yield to me, I have to have this

3:07:54conversation you because he thinks it's

3:07:56all right to not yield to me, but to ask

3:08:00me questions and to try to make it like

3:08:02he can trap me up in something. I've

3:08:05been doing this for a long time. Again,

3:08:07I want to tell you, otter woman, and I

3:08:09already told you, if I had done

3:08:10something wrong, and I've already told

3:08:12you the context of this, I would be the

3:08:14first person. But if you're going to

3:08:16hang me up an electronic noose and try

3:08:19to make it be so, I'm not going to

3:08:22participate. I didn't participate with

3:08:24taking my seniority. I didn't

3:08:26participate in taking my committees.

3:08:28None of that I'm going to participate

3:08:29because that's all racist. And so,

3:08:31everybody sitting down here don't want

3:08:33to talk about the racism, but it is

3:08:35racism. And the people who participated,

3:08:37not the Ottoman from the fifth because

3:08:39he wasn't here, but it's a lot of people

3:08:41that participated that should have known

3:08:42better. And if that would have happened

3:08:44to them, they would not have liked it.

3:08:46Long as they got what they want, a whole

3:08:48part of North St. Louis, they just

3:08:49shuttered to the side and said, "We

3:08:52don't exist." And we see that. We see

3:08:54that with the tall grass, with all the

3:08:56things that don't get done in the

3:08:58community. And it didn't make any

3:09:00different really with the black mayor we

3:09:02had cuz she didn't live in North St.

3:09:03Louis. And she says she used to grow

3:09:05grow up in North St. Louis, but she has

3:09:07lived in South St. Louis since she was

3:09:0811 years old. I know that because I used

3:09:10to live in South St. Louis. And so when

3:09:12people don't care about your community,

3:09:15you and then you change the rules to

3:09:16say, "Well, we got to make committees

3:09:18based on who people like. So if you

3:09:20advocate for your community, then it's

3:09:23who people like. And I don't like you

3:09:25advocating for your community." They

3:09:26don't do that when you look for a

3:09:28doctor. They don't do that when you look

3:09:29for somebody who uh is going to fix your

3:09:32automobile. but only at the board of

3:09:35alderman. We're not going to do it. And

3:09:37this hadn't none of this stuff that they

3:09:38said happened now has not happened. But

3:09:41you still did the things that are

3:09:44punitive that would punish somebody for

3:09:47doing something and you didn't have

3:09:49anything. You could just have a secret

3:09:50meeting. So then you have to start

3:09:53explaining this. So again, I want you to

3:09:55know, you know, cuz you talked to me. I

3:09:59am going to um proceed with the next

3:10:02step. when they proceed with the next

3:10:04step and um when subpoenas come out

3:10:06that's going to be good and we will find

3:10:09the entire thing and then uh they're

3:10:12going to have to answer some questions

3:10:14cuz it will not be limited to this and

3:10:16again I want to stand here and say you

3:10:19all have every right to pass a

3:10:21resolution that says we disagree with

3:10:23Sharon Tyus cuz that's your first

3:10:24amendment right and that is your right

3:10:27under the case law that the altman from

3:10:29the fifth but the case law also

3:10:31restricts when and what could happen and

3:10:33when you go too far it becomes something

3:10:35different and I'm again I would implore

3:10:38you invite me to the meeting or do I uh

3:10:41put it on the formal and then have a

3:10:43conversation if then you say well I

3:10:44still think it's wrong that's something

3:10:46but you should not be doing this without

3:10:49giving me a chance to have the and it

3:10:50really should be in committee so

3:10:51everybody can ask and then it'll be on

3:10:53tape and and everybody could ask

3:10:54questions I would have come but I won't

3:10:58do this without that opportunity thank

3:11:00you thank you

3:11:01>> welcome Any

3:11:09further discussion?

3:11:11Any further discussion? Seeing none,

3:11:14alderman from the fifth, you are

3:11:15recognized to close.

3:11:17>> I have one point, one point of

3:11:19clarification uh as part of my closing

3:11:22and that is during the course of

3:11:23discussion, there was a reference to a

3:11:25secret meeting. I want to make crystal

3:11:28clear to any member of the public that

3:11:30is watching this proceeding that the

3:11:32personnel committee uh that that

3:11:34particular hearing uh was noticed. It

3:11:37was noticed to the public uh and it was

3:11:39noticed with 24-hour service that as a

3:11:43process and protocol within this board

3:11:45of aldermen. Each single one of us gets

3:11:48a notice with respect to every committee

3:11:50meeting. Uh that is anything but a

3:11:54secret meeting held behind closed doors.

3:11:57Uh with that uh I would move madame

3:12:00president that resolution 125 committee

3:12:03substitute be adopted by this body.

3:12:05>> It's been moved by the alderman from the

3:12:075th seconded by the alder person from

3:12:09the 7th that we adopt resolution 125

3:12:12committee substitute. Mr. Clerk please

3:12:15call the role.

3:12:17>> Alman Schwiser.

3:12:20Alman Odenberg,

3:12:23Alman Conn,

3:12:26>> hi.

3:12:27>> Alman Marion,

3:12:28>> present.

3:12:33>> Ali,

3:12:34>> hi.

3:12:36Alman Velasquez.

3:12:39>> Hi.

3:12:40>> Alman Sier.

3:12:43>> Alman Cox Sanche.

3:12:48>> Alman Brownley.

3:12:53>> Alman Clark Herbert.

3:12:55>> I

3:12:57al Keys.

3:12:58>> Nope.

3:13:01>> Alman Tas.

3:13:03>> No.

3:13:04>> And that's Tony. Alman Boy.

3:13:07>> No.

3:13:09>> Alman Aldridge.

3:13:13>> President Green.

3:13:14>> Hi.

3:13:17>> Alman Odenberg.

3:13:22Alman Coxanti.

3:13:27Alman Brownie.

3:13:32We have eight I votes. Three nos and one

3:13:35present.

3:13:36>> By your vote, you sustain the motion

3:13:38from the alderman from the 5th to adopt

3:13:40resolution 125 committee.

3:13:45>> Alderwoman from the 10th, you are

3:13:46recognized on the motion to adopt the

3:13:47courtesy resolution consent calendar.

3:13:51>> Thank you, Madam President, members of

3:13:52the board, I move that we adopt the

3:13:54courtesy resolent calendar.

3:13:56>> It's been moved by the alderwoman from

3:13:58the tenth, seconded by the alderwoman

3:13:59from the seventh that we adopt the

3:14:00courtesy resolution consent calendar. Is

3:14:03there any discussion?

3:14:05Seeing none, all those in favor signify

3:14:07by saying I.

3:14:09>> I.

3:14:10>> Opposed.

3:14:12>> Motion carries. Miscellaneous and

3:14:14unfinished business.

3:14:15>> Board bill 85 was held in public

3:14:17infrastructure and utilities committee

3:14:20>> and board resolution 126 was held in the

3:14:23health and human development committee.

3:14:25>> Announcements.

3:14:27>> Monday, October 5th, 2026, port lab task

3:14:31force webinar at 5:30.

3:14:33Tuesday, October 6, 2026, pledge meeting

3:14:37at 11:00 a.m. in the Kennedy room.

3:14:39Thursday, October 8th, 2026, budget and

3:14:42public employee committee meeting, 10:00

3:14:45a.m. in the Kennedy room. And Friday,

3:14:47October 9th, 2026, full board meeting,

3:14:5010 a.m. in the chambers.

3:14:52>> Any further announcements? Any further

3:14:55announcements?

3:14:58>> Seeing none, alderwoman from the 10th,

3:15:00you are recognized on the motion to

3:15:01excuse. Thank you, Madam President.

3:15:03Members of the board, I move that we

3:15:05excuse the alderman from the second

3:15:07board for necessary absence.

3:15:09>> It's been moved by the alderwoman from

3:15:11the 10th, seconded by the alderman from

3:15:12the 14th, that we excuse the older

3:15:14person from the secondary absence. All

3:15:17those in favor signify by saying I.

3:15:20>> I.

3:15:21>> Opposed?

3:15:22Motion carries. Alderwoman from the

3:15:2410th, you are recognized on the motion

3:15:25to adjurnn.

3:15:26>> Thank you, Madam President. Members of

3:15:27the board, I move that we till Friday,

3:15:30October sec. I'm sorry. October 9th,

3:15:342026 in the board of alderman chambers.

3:15:37>> It's been moved by the alderwoman from

3:15:39the tent, seconded by the alderwoman

3:15:4011th. And we adjourn until Friday,

3:15:42October, 2026 in the board of alderman

3:15:45chambers. Is there any discussion?

3:15:48Seeing none, all those in favor signify

3:15:50by saying I.

3:15:51>> I.

3:15:52>> Opposed? Motion carries. We are

3:15:55adjourned.

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