2026-10-21 - Conservation Commission

I'm like >> Some of this stuff you knew where it was. >> Yes, she did. >> Like when I was looking at her information about my property >> She knew exactly >> She went to a drawer in the filing

cabinet, pulled out a plan for 1989. >> So I'm good to go, yep. >> too. >> And that was probably 15 years ago, but still. >> Good. Good evening everyone. Welcome to the Wednesday, October 21st, 2026

Sutton Conservation meeting. If we could stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. >> Pledge of Allegiance >> to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation

under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. Pursuing the government Haley's directive extending temporary open meeting provisions until June 30th, 2027, the Conservation

Commission meeting will be conducted in a hybrid format and will be recorded. Any persons in attendance making audio or video recording of the meeting must notify the chair at this time. Recordings

will be accessible on the town's website and YouTube channel. Please be aware participants attending via Zoom will have their video and audio disabled. If you wish to engage in discussion, raise your

hand. If acknowledged by the chair, you will receive a pop-up message allowing you to unmute yourself. For agenda, YouTube, and Zoom links, please visit www.suttonma.gov. Uh tonight we have Tim

Thompson, Jamie Mair, Jared Duval, Brandon Fanuf, myself, uh Bill Wentz. Unavailable is Mike McGovern. We have Isabella Genova. Am I saying that right? >> Genova. >> Genova, as I knew uh >>

Conservation Agent. >> Conservation Agent, so welcome. Brandon Fanuf is here tonight as our consultant. Um and Isabella's first day with Sutton is today, Wednesday. She started in Douglas as her

position Monday in Douglas and uh we welcome her and uh so far first few months is going well. Um First thing up is a We have no public hearings tonight. It's a discussion for 14 Davis Circle, a

request for determination of applicability. >> All right. Bring it up. >> Welcome back. >> How you doing? I'm on Zoom. Share it on Zoom. Good to go. Good evening. Rudolph Mink Carries with Alpha Omega

Engineering. Uh Jeff Patterson on behalf of Kathleen Holt, the owner of the property. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Brendan, do you mind bringing? Okay. So, basically, my client, because of the his mom is

just uh, she's she can't climb stairs, so we're trying to raise the the drive create a driveway a handicap accessible for the house to get into the house. So, we're proposing to convert an existing

gravel drive to a paved driveway and add a little patio for her in the back uh, and just have a small shed in between. Uh, there is an existing gravel goes all the drive driveway goes all the way to

the lake. Uh, we're just going to inter- intercept that section of the gravel drive, build the paved driveway, get an easy access into the house. Uh, we're not cutting any trees. Uh, very minor work

in an existing in the 50-ft buffer. But, uh, other than that, it's uh, just a minor project, basically. >> Oops. Sorry. >> Next. >> >> Thank you very much. Brendan, have you been out there? >> Yes, I

have. Um, and I thought we had pictures. >> Those are the old pictures. >> Well, I had some old pictures from That was from the dangerous tree. So, there have been two RDAs in the past for this

property. One when they when they rebuilt the house. And uh, I think it was last year they came in for a dangerous tree, right? So, uh, this one um, is basically they're asking >> can do work in an

area that would has already been approved uh, within you know, the limit of work uh, in the past to be lawn or landscaping. Uh, so, I I don't see a any issues with this one. It's It's already uh,

either uh, walkway, lawn, or existing uh, landscaping. So. >> Perfect. >> Yep. >> Thank you. Does the board have any questions? >> One. >> Jamie. >> Going to impervious surface surface pavement. Any

runoff issues created by that? >> [sighs] >> We don't expect any of that because there is an existing driveway and shed already there. So we're not we're not increasing much. >> But it's stone now and

it's going to be paved. It's going to be >> but it's a it's a gravel. I mean the CN number between gravel driveway and gravel parking is not much I mean paved parking is not much. >> It's my only

question. >> Thank you. Anybody else? Anybody from the public? Hearing none. >> I'll make a motion to issue a negative determination for 14 Davis Circle. >> Second. >> Tim made a motion to issue a

negative. Jamie second. Tim how do you vote? >> Aye. >> Jamie how do you vote? >> Aye. >> Jared how do you vote? >> Aye. >> And I vote vote aye. Thank you very much. Thanks for coming in. Good luck

with the project. >> Thank you. >> Next up is 15 15 59 Merriam. It's an RDA. Um Site grade for septic system for a new house. >> You're back. >> Yep, I'm back. Good evening again. Rudolph Michael is

with Alpha Omega Engineering for the record. Um my client is proposing to build a new house and driveway and a septic and all associated grading for the project. Basically almost all the work except

some minor grading will be in the 100 ft buffer. There is an existing road which is Merriam Lane. That's a shared almost like a shared driveway for a lot of properties. There is also an existing paved

driveway going toward the proposed house. We're just extending extending that driveway. And then we're just doing the septic in the area in this area and the grading but all the paved area the

proposed pavement and the house will be completely outside the buffer zone. >> Thank you. Brandon have you reviewed this? >> Yes, I have. Um Um, and you see the cursor? The 100-ft buffer zone line is

right here. So, the work that's being proposed is just this within jurisdictional areas is grading. Is Marion Lane, which is paved, and the wetland is into the woods on the other side of the road.

Okay? Uh, let me bring up some pictures. And what you'll notice is that this is already a a field. So, the house would be going up here. The grading would be happening on this uh, slope right here.

And next picture. So, now I'm I'm on the top uh, looking in the same direction. Here's Here's that slope. Marion Oh, where'd it go? Yep, here's that slope. Marion Lane's on the left-hand side. >> It

looks like there was a house and driveway here before. >> It's uh, it used to be this used to be Marion Lane long time ago, and then they paved it in the other location, the homeowners. >> Got you.

So, the house is going up in this more or less flat area road. >> Yeah, yes, exactly. >> It's like it's already been >> On top of the house. >> past, and it's already it's maintained lawn. >> >> Uh,

another view looking down with Marion Lane on the left-hand side. That woods on the left-hand side there is where the the BBW is. Here's Marion Lane itself with the property on the right, wetland on

the left. >> >> And I don't know how well you can see it, but that's basically what the the swamp looks like. Nice swamp. Didn't see any invasive species, but otherwise the typical vegetation. Okay.

>> Thank you. Does anybody any questions? Public have any questions? Okay. >> I'll make a motion to issue a negative determination for 59 Miriam Way. >> Second. >> Tim made a motion, Jamie second.

Tim, any vote? >> Aye. >> Jamie, any vote? >> Aye. >> Jared, any vote? >> Aye. >> And I, Bill Vorn Aye. >> Thank you very much. >> Thanks. Okay. Moving right along. 191 Hartness Road at RDA driveway

install as part of a three lot subdivision. Um Welcome, name and address to the record, please. >> Yes. Mike Cronin, 21 Benham Street, Worcester, Massachusetts. Um We're here for that uh 191 Hartness

Road uh determination. Um Glenn couldn't be here tonight he as he was uh had a couple other meetings. >> Easy enough. Brent, have you been out there? >> Yes, I have. I've been in out here now this is

my third time going to this property over the last I want to say 15 years. Uh there was uh forget it was an NOI or RDA for some past proposed development that never happened. Uh and the second time I

was out there it was uh on a complaint that ended up uh not materializing into anything but it was nice to have walked back there and get a refresher on what it looks like. Uh I will say some very

nice woods there's some really nice stone walls out there from the old agricultural days but the work itself um So so they're proposing this cul-de-sac um there used to be a house right here there's

no longer they they tore down the house. Uh and there's going to be houses you know in the back over here. Let me see if I can go to the next sheet. Oops, I'm going too fast. All right. Oh, this is a

good one. So, this is what it's going to look like in the end. So, looks like three lots. All right? Existing conditions, we don't really need to see. It's all with the exception of where the house

used to be in the front. Uh it's all mature forest. But, here's the here's the uh layout with the uh the short cul-de-sac. Uh the wetland line right here. So, well ends back here. Here's the very um

uh northern end. >> >> Here's the sheet I started on. And so, here's a couple of the houses which going to you know, bypass the the wetland line. So, this uh red line is the buffer zone line. So,

let's let's zoom in on that a little bit better. All right. So, they'll get the 100-ft adjacent upland resource area under the local bylaw which coincides with the 100-ft buffer zone of the BBW. I had

no issues with the uh the wetland boundary delineation. I did find some junk back there. Uh so, they found an old Sony Trinitron TV. And there's an old I don't know what you call it, but there's like

a like a some kind of a bulkhead back there in the buffer zone that's just going to be brought. >> Mhm. >> But, we'll get to that in a minute. Uh so, we got some um storm control structures right

here. It's very, very close to the 100-ft buffer zone line with the the slope coming right to the bottom. Uh the way I've always told people to do it is to give yourself at least 5 ft of uh grace at

the bottom of the slope because when you put uh like a silt fence right at the bottom like that if you get any kind of like a big storm it's more likely to knock the the silt fence over. Whereas if

you give it just an extra 5 ft it gives that sediment like just that little bit to settle out and build up instead of knocking it over. >> Yep. >> So I I I recommend doing that. I don't think it

necessarily needs a a plan change for that. Uh but you can see they they're keeping uh disturbance uh for the most part with the you know except this little portion of the driveway like 95 ft away

closest. Uh you know you keep on following it up. Outside of uh jurisdictional areas which is exactly what you're looking for. Here we go. Yeah so that is it's this driveway right here on the right-

hand side that's going to cross like 5 ft into the buffer zone. So it's a lot uh oh sorry it's a lot you know for a development but the thing is there's very little of it occurs within jurisdictional

areas. So with the you know exception of that pro tip I gave um I think that this is okay for a negative determination. >> You want to bring it to the board? >> Yes. >> One question. Um this RDA is

just for the driveway not for the homes themselves. >> Correct. >> So in the event when you reach a point where you've got plans for the houses to the extent they fall within our jurisdiction you're

going to refile? >> Absolutely. Yeah. >> Okay. So just to be clear and maybe we should put that as a condition that um you know the the negative determination to the extent that's the way it goes

would be just for the construction of the driveway and not the appropriate residences that may fall within our jurisdiction. >> It's a good >> That's a good point. Yeah. That's it. >> Jared and Tim?

Anybody from the public or on Zoom? Hearing none. >> I'll make a motion to issue >> sorry. I'm sorry. >> Just one more moving fast. >> Remember I was talking about the garbage and I said I was going

to get back to it. >> Oh, yeah. >> Um Can a condition be made that uh any um any refuse in the buffer zone, and it wasn't a whole heck of a lot, >> Right. >> be cleaned up as part of this. >> Yep. >>

And I'm not talking, you know, like it's uh you know, an old barn or anything like that. Like I found somebody dumped a TV they probably didn't want to pay to get rid of, you know, that kind of thing.

>> Yep. >> Okay. >> Yep, we'll clean it up. >> Very good. >> I'll make a motion to issue a negative determination for 191 Hartness Road with the condition that it's for the driveway construction only.

Um and also the condition that the uh junk within the buffer zone be removed. >> Second. >> Tim made a motion for a negative determination. Jamie second. Tim, how do you vote? >> Aye. >> Jamie? >>

Aye. >> Jared? >> Aye. >> And I vote for next. Thank you very much. Good luck with the project. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um Lake Singletary Superseding Order of Conditions. >> Mhm. I'll give you the

update, Mr. Chairman. >> Go for it. >> Uh DEP issued the superseding order. Um we're well beyond any uh appeal period at this point. Um but the DEP has limited the drawdown, which is the big point of

contention, to no more than 5 ft. Is that going to do it? To get below everybody's walls? Maybe. It's a They do it more than 5 ft now. I don't see this ever been a problem. Both I and the Millbury

Conservation Commission are on the side that uh the current drawdown levels, which are well more than 5 ft, are perfectly fine. It's never hurt anything. Nobody's ever complained about a lack of

muscles, freshwater muscles, or affecting the fisheries in Lake Singletary. But that's what DEP uh issued the superseding order and there's a whole bunch of other monitoring requirements uh that is

going to keep the Lake Singletary Association very busy. And I don't know if they've appealed it uh or not, but that's the big thing is it's only going to be a 5-ft drawdown. And that's probably going

to be uh something to watch. Isabella and and Douglas with Whitinsville Reservoir has uh the same kind of a application in. >> And Manchaug has one, but it's already been approved. >> Right. >> So

it's not up for renewal yet, right? >> It No, that one's in perpetuity. I mean, that one goes back to '07, '08 with Interface Global. >> Okay, so >> And they have their own There's There's this whole

like calculus associated with when it gets draw drawn down and by how much. >> All right, so that would lock it >> there's Ramshorn. But somehow that one went under the radar. >> That had no water in

it too. >> They had no issues with with the drawdown they have and you've seen Ramshorn drawn down in the winter >> Mhm. >> big time. >> They They didn't It didn't get closed early enough this year,

so yeah. >> I think that one goes down at least 10 ft. >> Yeah. >> And they didn't have any problems with it, but uh Ramshorn I was Sorry, Singletary is going to be limited to 5 ft. >> I just worry

about damage to the docks and walls and then it people coming in and refiling and making more of an issue, but it's out of our control. >> Yep. Anybody >> noticed they said uh no extensions would be

permitted. >> Oh. No. >> 3 years only. >> 3 years only, so they have to refile and can't apply for an extension. I I don't think I've ever seen that. >> I don't know. >> Well, that's kind of a good

thing, isn't it? The in 3 years it if Lake Singletary Association wants to challenge it, they have the ability to since you said appeal periods and everything had expired. >> Well, they could have let

it expire. They could have let it expire if they wanted to anyway, but they're saying they have to refile now every 3 years? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> >> Or at least do it again and then if it's better

outcome, maybe that one could be extended, but I don't know. >> Different stuff. >> >> So, just to be clear of myself, in 3 years this gets revisited. >> Yeah. >> So, that's a good thing. >> If they

don't make it more onerous, the commission doesn't make it more onerous cuz it has to go through you guys first. >> But if there are residents that are negatively impacted by it in 3 years, we have

the opportunity to bring that to the attention of the DEP. >> Sure do. >> Okay. >> I would even say it what do I know, but if it is negative things in the 3 year time period, we they they could go to

DEP or we could let DEP know we've got problems with this, right? And they >> Yeah, and see what they >> They can do what they want with it, I guess, right? >> Yeah. Private, you know, property damage

to life and in and or property. >> Mhm. Interesting. Any Anybody else on the board or anyone in the public questioning this one? >> Good. >> Uh then the minutes that Jen did, the 3-minute meeting,

does everyone agree with the minutes of 10 7 I'm sorry, 10 7 26? >> I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of October 7th, 2026 as presented. >> Second. >> To minute motion to approve the minutes,

Jamie seconded, to many vote. >> Aye. >> Jamie. >> Aye. >> Jared. >> Aye. >> And I Bill vote aye. >> Okay. >> Any I'm seeing it's listed no certificates of compliance, no extension request, no project

reviews, no project site visits. Is Is all true, Brandon or >> Yeah, I'm trying to scan in the town in my brain like what's going on. 72 Main Street down in Manchaug. Nothing for you guys to do. It's

That's all on Douglas side and and we're waiting for the Alexanders to come back with their their site plan which I believe Ralph is working on. >> Good. >> So, not much for you guys to do >> Perfect.

>> over there. >> Anything on 320 Putnam? It's listed as a placeholder for any new developments. >> I'll go before the next meeting. I'll go out there again and take a look at it. >> Perfect. >> They

were making good progress the last time I was out there. >> That's That's good. Um Any other correspondence of old business? >> Are there any other violations you can think of? >> Top of your head? 26

Burbank? >> Uh 26 Burbank, the last time I drove by I haven't seen anything different cuz you can't see the the house in the back from the road which is out of our jurisdiction anyway. >> Well, last

meeting I went back there and I drove up that new track way on the left-hand side and they got the driveway scratched in. They've got the where the house is going to be scratched in. So, I just went

up there, turned around, came back down. Otherwise, not much of a change >> Okay. >> going on down there. >> I haven't heard anything on that. Um No news is good news. >> Isabella, all yours. >> Yeah,

that'll keep you busy. >> Um anything else before we adjourn? >> I'll just mention I said the same thing in Douglas but that the expectation of the board is that Brandon does these permits that were

from today's meeting since he was already on those. Um >> Yeah, so so it that would be a good conversation to have. So, what is what is the the expectations of the board for division of labor if at

all. Um and my ask is that um projects that are currently um being you know, like the ones we just did tonight. >> Yeah. >> Like we'll finish those out. Um and there's old projects that you know,

maybe they need a certificate of compliance from 10 years ago that I worked on. I don't necessarily need to be involved with those. In fact, there's a certificate of compliance request in for 45 40.5

maple that um I'd like Isabella to do. Cuz I don't really need to do this this this certificate of compliances and and the RD and new RDAs and that Isabella can do. I think that she's going to be very

busy just with the paperwork. >> Perfect. >> I mean speaking for myself, I think if if we can talk these out as they come in, some of the like the ones you just mentioned, if if you're up for it, uh

you're definitely qualified, take the ball and run with it. If it becomes something that's an old thing that we have to bring up, we we pull you in, question something for the past or some of us, you

know, some we just don't remember. >> Mhm. >> It gets to questions how do we do new a new bigger project coming in? >> Right. >> Douglas said Douglas said that it would be either up to me if I wanted

to send it to Brandon or that the chair and I would discuss it. So. >> I think that works. >> I'm I'm comfortable with that and I Does everyone like that idea? >> I like that idea. >> I mean >> Give

give me the the meat. Like all the small stuff takes up a lot of time and I really don't make any money on tell you the truth. Uh >> And that's the stuff we were trying to keep the cost down for the

applicants. >> anyway. You know, you get a you get a you know, a decent NOI come in or a an ANRAD send them my way if you don't have the time. And I got a feeling you're not. >> And what about the

paperwork end of it and the the the the minutes and all that? >> The Well, the minutes would be Isabella. But like the writing >> have a senior worker do those. >> Good. Okay. So so uh but like doing

the determination of applicability write up and the orders and conditions, special order conditions, if I've worked on them, I like to keep that in my court cuz it's, you know, up here. >> Yeah. >>

And I want to make sure it gets conveyed accurately as possible. So, I'd like to be able to see it all the way through. >> I think that makes sense. Anyone question question? >> Uh we've been

historically slow, right? So, I >> of scary. >> Yeah. Um but I, you know, to the extent that we return to levels we were a couple of years ago, um it would be nice to have the ability to reach out to

the extent that you don't have the capacity to do it all, right? It's a and managing two towns, the problem kind of compounds itself, right? So, um you know, I Based on this agenda, I don't see that

there would be an issue, but this agenda isn't consistent with what we've historically had. >> Um I agree. >> You need to communicate to us, right? And let us know. No, seriously, I think it's

important that um you know, you help us understand what your workload is and the demands on your time are and so that we can make decisions to make sure you're appropriately supported. >> Yeah, and >>

Isabella, I know that you have a Douglas email address. Have they given you a Sutton email address? Okay. Well, send that to me, too. Um >> It's just It's Iginova with the same @sutton. >> Perfect. >>

Like everyone else has. Okay. >> So, I do think we've always been pretty open communicate within, you know, we can't all email each other cuz of >> Yeah. >> whatever you call it. But, um when

something comes up, Mike and I will talk, we'll text. Mike called me and texted me earlier. If we can keep open communication like that, if something's coming up, we talk about it, we, you know, cuz a

lot of these things like even whatever one came in front of us tonight, Hotness Road, like you've been there a couple times. So, can we have communication, discussion on it, just keep it moving

forward, and everybody should be good. >> Yep. And also, as I've spoken about in the past, and this just this year, um I think it's high time for the town probably put out a new RFP for this position,

the the town's full-time consultant. It's been it'll be 18 years that I've been working here in December. And I've been working at the pleasure of the commission. Um I don't even know where the

original contract is at this point. Um and I think it's uh time to renegotiate or leave. >> Yeah. I mean, I think it makes sense if it's been 18 years, you had a clean up what, 5, 20? No, when was

that? 2015, maybe? 10, 11 years ago? We we we didn't put it out to bid, but we like readdressed things with the bylaw. >> I I I redrafted the the bylaw from scratch. And we had a lot of meetings on

that. Um but yeah, the the current bylaw, um I drafted, the commission had comments, and then there's the uh the day >> conservation committee? >> Conservation, yes, yeah. >> Yeah, I wanted to attend,

just >> Yeah, come on in, yeah. >> The first item about the right on Singletary Lake, is that already been brought up? >> It has, yeah. >> Could I make a public comment about it? It's important. >> Uh

sure, come on up, just state uh the microphone, just state your name and address for the record. >> Okay, thank you. Um I just have to turn my ringer off in case somebody calls me. Okay, there you go.

Um >> >> I'm sorry. Can you continue and then I'll >> Yeah, I mean we're we're close to adjourning and Lake Singletary >> Oh, okay. >> has uh >> Oh. Here it is. Um Thank you uh My name is David

Mallett. I'm from Douglas, Mass, but I have concerns because of it's on Lake Singletary. Um >> [sighs] >> I'm submitting this formal statement to the record regarding a request for determination of

pickability of the RDA for the property located at 14 Davis Circle. A thorough review of the site plan encompassing against actual physical conditions real re- reveal a severe blueprint versus reality

discrepancy that the commission must address. The engineering plan submitted by the applicant depict a completely straight, uniform retaining wall wall across the waterline. However, physical

inspection of the property reveals a distinct 10-ft U-shaped cutout where the waters of Lake Singletary actively breach the property line. The smoking gun that preserves this discrepancy is the

current placement of the erosion control wattles. Instead of following the straight line drawn on the official site plan, the wattles bow inwardly in a deep loop to skirt the edge of the undocumented

10-ft curb cutout. The applicant's own sediment barrier aligns with this actual cutout. Providing layout plans do not accurately reflect ground reality. Furthermore, a search of town records reveals a

complete lack of historical permitting for this address. Therefore, it has absolutely no record of a shoreline modification, retaining wall repair, excavation, or structural alteration ever being

legally adapt applied for this grant by the commission. The 10 ft cutout is entirely undocumented and unpermitted. The unpermitted alt- eration excavates an existing runoff channel on the lot. The

wide driveway acts as a direct slope channel for unimpeded sheet flow pushing sediment, silt, and storm water past the white shed and straight into the lake where zero natural filtration or vegetated

buffer strips to catch it. The unpermitted concrete walkway to the lake further accelerates this unmitigated runoff directly impacting the water bodies turbidity. The applicant is now requesting a

patio and a driveway extension under a simple RDA loophole approving any further footprint expansion or service modification on a lot that already features an active unpermitted shoreline alteration

and severe runoff issues is a direct risk to the health of Lake Singletary. Therefore, I urge the commission to issue a positive determination, halt any further expansion under this RDA, and require a

full notice of intent. This will mandate full engineered structural containment such as stone filled infiltration trench and a permanent vegetated buffer zone to permanently stabilize the shoreline,

protect the lake, and mandate the proper restoration of the natural slope. Thank you. >> Thank you. So, we this was the first When you said Lake Singletary, I thought you we had something on a order

of conditions. 14-day circle was the first thing that was discussed just after 6:00 p.m. and a vote was taken for >> Okay. >> uh for a negative determination. Um Brandon, Isabella, I don't know if

there's anything you can address on that or I I don't know if we can even talk about it now. We already voted on it. >> Yeah, it was voted on and and unfortunately his his window of opportunity has

passed. I understand his concerns, um, but it's done. >> Okay. Can something be done about the unpermitted walkway and them cutting 10 ft into their yard to to make a boat dock? Or they're just going

to be allowed to do that? >> This first I'm hearing of of this, yeah. >> Yeah, me too. >> Um >> If you look at the plans, the way the wattles were put, they were put around that section. Because

that's, you know, I mean, I don't think they did that on purpose. If they had known, they would have made the wattles to go straight across. >> So so is this turned into a complaint urging an

enforcement order? Do you want Are you asking for enforcement against these people? >> Does the Mr. Chairman, do you want to entertain such a discussion? >> I mean, I I guess we can. They're not here

to defend themselves. Do we have Is Is what the gentleman's saying, does this show on the plan? I just need to make sure we're in We're not in violation of talking about >> You have a copy of the

plan? >> No, cuz this this is no longer talking about the RDA. This is this is now a complaint. And you you you you can entertain it or you don't have to entertain the the conversation. It's up to

you. >> could take it as as a complaint as if we could keep it brief and just stick to the facts, yeah. >> I mean, I've said everything I want to say. I mean, it's up to you guys to do something here,

correct? Or do I have to officially complain? I mean, the fact that you know they made an illegal cut out in a a walkway that's illegal, I mean, it I still have to complain about that or it's just

going to be allowed? >> I think we could take this as your formal complaint cuz you can't state it something and >> You're being recorded, so >> Speaking for myself, I didn't know about any illegal

cut out or or sidewalk or walkway, but I think we could take >> Right, that's why I got here before 6:30. I thought the meeting started at 6:30. That's what I was told online. >> Um, no, it's >> My

fault. >> No, that's okay, but I think we could take this as formal complaint and and between Brandon and Isabel when you could go out there and look at the property, if that makes >> Yeah, and it

would be good to to to see, you know, past uh plans that have been approved and >> Yeah, past aerials and so on. Yeah. >> That's uh yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. >> I was just going to say past air Do you

have any idea when this area was dug out or cut out? >> No idea. Years ago. >> Yeah, I because is is there statute of >> I I checked I checked there's no permits for it. Going back 30 40 years, you

have not made a permit for it. >> Um I believe the cutout was reflected on the plan that was submitted. >> It's already there. >> No, I I but on the plan that we received in connection with the

request for the RDA, I believe that the cutout was on the plan. >> a cutout. >> Yeah, it showed a cutout. >> It is show So, it is showing the cutout on the plan. So, they weren't trying to like not

show it. >> that I saw online just showed uh the the clear street line and where they put the wattles. And where you can see they've got the wattles are around there. Regardless of what they got on

their plans, I checked with the town. They they don't have permission to have that cutout. >> I I guess the whole thing is I don't know how far back the cutout is and how far would be statute of

limitations goes. Like I mean >> Mhm. >> A lot of things were done on the lakes >> Right. I understand. >> ago, yeah. >> No, I know when I reviewed >> I know that's one of the things that will be

happen when a complaint is made, you'll check everything and make sure everything is done properly and whatever. >> Absolutely, yeah. Perfect. So, should we put that on the agenda? >> Put that on the

agenda and that's 14 Davis Circle complaint for the next meeting, which is first week of November. I believe. >> Yeah. >> November 4th. >> Yeah. Okay, so we can put that. Do you have anything else you

want to add or is that good? >> Do you want me to come to that meeting? >> Yep. You're welcome to, yeah. >> Okay. All right. >> And in the next 2 weeks I'm going to get out there and review it and >>

Okay. >> try to look at any any historical information as well. >> Did he give his address? >> Sure. I'll give that to you. Oh, okay. My name is David Millett. I live at 13 West Street, Apartment 217,

Douglas, Mass. 01516. And my phone number is 617 No. All right. Okay. >> David Millett, perfect. >> You probably know more than they do. You've been here longer. >> You don't happen to You don't

happen to be related to Rail Millett, do you? >> No. >> Okay. >> No, I have no relatives in the area. >> Okay. All right. Well, thank you for coming in. We'll put that on for our next agenda. And our

meetings do start at 6:00. >> Yeah, okay. Thank you. >> Have a good night. Thank you. >> You too. >> All right. Um We'll put that on for the next next meeting. Uh was there anything else before we

adjourn? And before we adjourn, do you want to tell us a little bit about yourself? I know we just jumped into it. It's your day one. I don't want to put you on the spot, even though I just did put

you on the spot. But, uh >> Uh yeah, my name's Isabel Genova. I'm from Mendon. I currently live in Uxbridge. Um and I ended up working for the town of Mendon for 3 years. I moved home after college. I

uh went to the University of Vermont up in Burlington. Um I miss it sometimes, but uh kind of driving around the farms today, it it feels kind of similar, and so does Mendon. But, um yeah, I learned,

you know, it took 6 months a year to feel comfortable in Mendon. It was scary to start out, so I'm very happy that I have 3 years experience under my belt. Um I think Mendon has similar development

size. We're definitely restricted. We don't have town water or sewer, but we do have quite a bit of commercial coming in in certain areas. Um So, I'm used to commercial projects, used in lots of

enforcement orders. Uh thankfully it was never appealed. Um So, I feel like we navigated as commission, but um I was proud of the rapport I built with the commission. Um And there's definitely things

I'd like to implement here with you all as we get comfortable with each other and and you're turning to me and looking for things. Um So, I'm excited to do that. But, yeah I spend a lot of time

outside, love the water, hike, bird. Um I read a lot. And yeah. >> Good. You can go down to 15 14 Davis Circle. >> Um I don't I since you've just started, I don't know what kind of orientation you

got, but one thing that's important is that we have a local bylaw that creates a lot of the items on our agenda because it makes them part of our jurisdiction. So, I'd encourage you to um you know,

and if you have any questions, Brandon drafted it, so he'd be more than glad to discuss it with you. But, it's important that you understand, you know, cuz we we deviate from the DEP standards. That's

all. Welcome. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else and or anyone from the public before we adjourn? >> Make a motion to adjourn. >> Second. >> Tim made a motion to adjourn, Jamie seconded it. Tim, how do you

vote? >> Aye. >> Jamie? >> Aye. >> Jared? >> Aye. >> And I vote vote aye. Thank you. Have a good night, everybody. >> Signature pages. >> I'm good. They're all done. >> Um >> I don't. Do you have any

>> I have them back. >> I think I got them in the folder. >> I have them. >> I don't think they were any different. Yes. >> I got the gavel. Feels like the head's going to come The real