2026-11-05 - Zoning Board of Appeals

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here. >> All right. To all interested inhabitants of the town of Sutton, in accordance with provisions of Massachusetts General Law Chapter 48, Section 11, the Zoning Board of Appeals will hold a

public hearing by means of a Zoom hybrid style meeting on November 5th, 2026 at 7:00 p.m. on the petition of Norma and Jean Baker. The petitioner has requested a frontage variance as it pertains to

Section 3B3 Table of Area Regulations of the town's zoning bylaws. The variance is requested for the creation of an additional residential building lot out of the existing 3.9 plus or minus acre

parcel. The property that is subject to this petition is located at 10 Burbank Road as shown on assessor's map number 17 as parcel numbers 36 and 37. The property is located in the R1 residential row

zoning district. This meeting will be held in person at the Sutton Town Hall and or with access virtually via phone at 1 929 205 6099 or the online Zoom application with a meeting ID number of 897

9324 8641 with a passcode number of 646 971. A copy of petition may be inspected during normal office hours in the town clerk's office located in the town hall. Daniel Petrarca Board of Appeals clerk.

All right, welcome. If you could state your name for the record and tell us a little about your request this evening. >> Hi, Norma Baker. Honorable board members, we're looking to to request a 20-ft

variance to create a second lot on land that's been in the family since 1930, nearly 100 years. We have more than enough acreage for these lots and the new lot will have more frontage than a lot of

the lots on Burbank Road and Sibley Road in the you know, the neighborhood. As you know, the laws for variances was amended and we believe and think you'll agree that this application directly fills

the criteria of the amended laws. I have the update from the Sutton Town Council at the amendment. Does anybody need a copy of that or do you all have it? I'll have it. As you're aware in the current

language of 40A section B section 10 in accordance strict enforcement would one result in a practical difficulty. As previously stated, the land is large enough for two homes and is consistent with

the homes in the Burbank Road Road area neighborhood. Uh, two, the benefits to ourselves outweigh any detriment to public health, safety, and welfare of the neighborhood. And I hope that you agree

that this meets the primary criteria of the current law. >> And we have that What's the letter from town council? >> I gave you all I sent you. I know that >> I do. This should be I have it if you >>

It's just the changes, right? >> It's just the changes >> It's not a specific comment on this. >> it's not specific on that. Okay. So do we have any Through the chair, do please Do we have any plans

for the house? >> Any what? >> Do you have a plan Do you have a plan for architectural plans or >> just just what I enclosed. I don't have a a surveyors. We didn't >> She doesn't need house plans.

They're not looking for anything to do with a house. They're looking for the creation of the lot. >> And then through the chair, just another question. So the variance you're requesting is for the new

lot? >> I'm sorry. >> The variance you're requesting is for the new lot? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So we'd maintain 250 and the new lot would have 230. >> Okay. I mean, I guess just Typically the >> I

actually looked at how many house lots in the area All the yellow are all house lots that don't have 250 frontage. And they have a lot less a lot Well, the ones next to Christine, there's quite a few

that have 150. So it's not like it's not in keeping with the neighborhood. >> Could you pass that around actually? >> Sure. >> I can't see well. >> My only concern is I mean, typically the planning

board is the board that creates lots from You know, we're not We don't create lots in in zoning. That's kind of my concern. >> So the question for me is about uh self-created hardship. >> I was just

going to go there. >> Yeah. >> I mean you're creating the lot's not created yet. You're planning to create it. So you're kind of Right? You're creating your >> You're creating a You're creating a

hardship. Yeah. >> Um I do appreciate the the write-up on the history of the lot. Um and to summarize for anybody doesn't have the application in front of them, um it was purchased 1930. At that point

they could have put any number of houses on this lot. There's no zoning yet. >> About >> there was a change to the zoning which required 135 ft of frontage. So at that point they could have put three

houses. Um 1966 it was increased and then there was still enough for two lots. Um then most recently 1978 increased zoning again which took away by 20 ft the ability to have a second lot here. Um so I

guess the counter argument to this being a self-created hardship is that changing zoning bylaws over time created the potential for a hardship rather than them something to themselves. Um. >> That was

nice of you to say it, so I didn't have to. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> They if they had created those other lots at a previous time and they were pre-existing non-conforming lots, >> Right. >> it would

be >> I I I still hung up on the fact that the lot the lot that we are granting a variance on does not exist. And like to me it's a it's a procedural thing. The plan like the if the planning board

created a lot, then we could give a variance to it. But since the lot doesn't exist, what how can we give a variance to it? >> Wait, I think now when you create the lot, you're creating a >> a non-

conforming lot. >> a non-conforming lot. Cuz I think the other ones that we've done since that new bylaw passed, they were pre-existing >> Right. >> non-conforming and we allowed on that, but this is

not created There was a created now. There was one we did a few years back where I think it ended up having to go to town meeting and the bylaw ended up getting changed and then >> Well, cuz that was

lots held in common ownership that merged after >> I'm just saying maybe there's a different kind of relief here that we're not thinking of, but I just don't believe personally we have the power to do

this. >> That's kind of where I am. I think if it was already if it was pre-existing, that would be one thing, but you're creating it now and I don't I'm not I'm not comfortable doing now. My opinion.

Just >> Yes, right now we're being asked to vote a variance on a lot that isn't even created yet. >> Right, that's the second problem. You you'd be granting a variance on a lot that doesn't exist. >>

That's the first problem for me. >> Yeah. Cuz >> I And even if you drew it up, then it's I still kind of have a problem with it. I don't believe that that's that's what we can do. >> Man, I'll say I'm

pretty broadly sympathetic to this. I feel like if anyone's empowered, we are. And I don't think this is that bad of a request. I mean, they're only 20 ft off. >> And we can vote a variance on a lot

that's not created. >> I just don't think that's legal. Like that's >> Yeah, that's That's my question. Can we do that? >> Yeah. >> No, I don't think so cuz it doesn't exist. >> I see there's someone

in the back with their hands up for a discussion if we open up to >> I wouldn't mind hearing abutters and other interested parties. >> All right. If you're going to You'll have to come up to the

microphone and just say your name for the record, please. >> Paula Hutchinson. >> Mhm. >> But we'd If I understand correctly, we're not asking for approval for the lot. We're only asking for a

variance for the frontage to create a lot. And then the next step is to create the the footprint. So it's just the variance for the frontage. That's all that's being asked for. >> She's one of the

abutters. >> Yep. I understand that, but you it the lot doesn't exist, so we really can't in my opinion, grant a variance for something that doesn't exist. That's >> I think the concern is that the

past um um things that could hold off the approval of a variance was creating the hardship. And that still exists with the new uh section 10 of 48. That's still part of it. So I think that's what

they're, you know, having a hard time with. >> I I even >> I right? >> Kind of. It's still just granting a variance on something that doesn't exist. I mean, the lot doesn't exist to grant a variance

for. >> Right. >> Well, how do we >> as the lot stands >> a lot >> Well, that's what we're trying to >> That's what we're trying to do. >> what we're trying to figure out is how to do it the right

way. >> you got to go to planning. Like I think the planning board can do this. >> They can do it? >> I think so. >> But they can create the lot. >> Maybe it's a bylaw, but I think there's some

there's some way that is not zoning right now to get this done. Like >> They can create a lot and then they can call it non-buildable. >> Call it legend on >> call it a buildable lot if it doesn't

meet the the the bylaw requirements. >> So if they create it and call it non-buildable, can then then they could come to us for a variance that would make it buildable? >> That's what I'm >> Yeah,

we're we're running into procedural questions >> from from my history on the planning board, you can't create a non-conforming lot that's buildable. So I think they came to us to get the variance that

would allow the lot lot to be buildable, but the lot doesn't exist. >> Could be change the line so that the new lot is buildable has the 250 rendering their current property 230. >> So get the

variance for their current lot >> Oh. >> to be 230. >> And then create a buildable lot. >> challenge. >> could still create a still create a non-conforming lot. >> And that's what we'd have to look

into with the new lot to see how what where >> board have the authority to prospectively offer the variance at the other body that would create the lot? Like could we give uh >> We only are doing

what's in front of us. >> Yeah. >> Unfortunately. >> That's a good question. >> It might be a question we have to bring to council >> This might be a yeah. >> to see the legality behind us creating a

variance. >> Yeah. >> Cuz I think you still have the creating a non-conforming lot either whether it's existing one, you can't take an existing conforming lot and make it nonconforming. You can't do

that. Correct? >> That's how I always understood it. You can't create a nonconforming lot. And you can't create create a variance on a lot that doesn't exist. >> All right. >> So can we get a variance

on the original and get 230 on where our houses? Or what's the argument? >> I don't I don't believe that you can make your lot nonconforming the existing house lot. You can >> Cuz then you're creating

a problem. >> There are any woods in the back that we could purchase 20 ft? >> Not not a frontage. I mean there is woods behind we can try to purchase, but that wouldn't give us any frontage. >> Yeah.

>> Because >> side >> Yeah. >> Um Angela on one side has exactly the right amount and if he does not want to I I wouldn't if I were him either part with 20 ft of frontage. >> I'd talk to the planning

board cuz I don't know if you could do like a small cul-de-sac and I know that I think they've done those in town before like where they don't really build it. It's on paper, but then that allows you

frontage or >> or frontage >> You know if you had a little >> private road? >> Yeah, something like that that would >> thought of that, but I didn't know how that worked either. >> I think the I think

the planning board is the right place though. That's the that's my thing. >> Especially if you have if there's property available behind you >> Well, I don't know if it's available. >> Right, but

potentially but >> I mean they have a lot of acreage yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean you might be able to do something like that and get a couple lots out back there or something instead of just one. >>

Yeah, I know from my standpoint it's not the fact of creating the lot that I'm against is the fact of doing it the legal right way that >> Yeah. >> come back. >> And I don't want to set a precedent >>

Mhm. >> where we're going to create non-conforming lots with variances >> or we're just creating lots in general. Like we can't create lots. >> It looks like the amendment was partially to address the

housing shortage. So it's something like this isn't really all that much [snorts] of an ask. >> A little bit, but this is going back into some other stuff that wasn't affected by that ruling as far as

like making them an existing lot. >> Non-conforming. >> Yeah. I mean like it's not a big ask. Like it really isn't. >> [clears throat] >> Right. >> But it's just It's just the question in my mind is

can the zoning board create lots? And I looked up the MGL and that's a planning board. That's what a planning board does. >> we need to go to the planning board? >> I think at minimum we need to talk

to Jen to see what kind of creative solution. >> talked to her and she didn't She really thought it was a zoning board of appeals. >> of the variance that would be needed for the non-conforming lot.

>> Yeah, it's like the two boards need to work in concert, which is not how we work. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> But maybe that's but maybe we should work like that. >> But I still think maybe we Can we reach

out to council and see if they can give us advice on if we can grant a variance before a lot is created? Is that something we can reach out to them and ask? >> Yeah, we're definitely like out in

unfamiliar territory here, so we should get some info. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I would talk to Jen again and maybe even an engineer and see what your options are on that before you split anything up or

anything like that. I'm not sure this is the the right way to go or or a path that'll get you where you want to be. >> If I sold my daughter her land as unbuildable, could she come here and ask for a

variance so that she could build? >> new. It's still self-created. So you're what you have now is one >> Right. >> So whatever you do to it to split it up, you're creating something. >> Right. >>

You're you're doing it now. >> wants to buy a non-buildable lot, that's on them, isn't it? >> Yeah, but >> In theory. >> But then it remains unbuildable. Yeah. No, I I I get it. You got two things

going on, right? You've got one lot that you're requesting a variance for another lot which doesn't exist. That's like the first kind of challenge. >> It said it doesn't exist. >> It doesn't exist,

right. And then you've got the whole am I creating a hardship issue, right, by splitting it up? >> Well, isn't that similar to like when somebody wants to put on a deck or an addition and they're too

close to the um >> Right. >> perimeter and you know, they ask for a variance and that's self-created and those are granted or no? >> But that's an existing lot. They're not creating yeah. >> I'm just

talking about self-imposed hardship aspect of it. >> Yeah, and the board does weigh in on those, you know. That's the special permit process usually, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um if you're going to build into

the setback, we make a judgment. >> So I mean >> Yeah, certainly so. >> The creation of the lot is what I >> Yeah, creating a non-conforming lot >> Yeah, that's really an >> is an issue. And then

granting a variance on a lot that doesn't even exist yet is an issue to me. >> I agree. >> And that's where I'm stuck on this one. I think we either need to have reach out to council and get some

guidance from them. If they want to reach out to an engineer and see what their options are for a private road or something that would get them frontage. I think that'd be the best plan because I

think we're in a >> A little tight on square footage too because they're 80,000 square for a lot so you have just over two lots but >> Yeah. >> Hm. >> Do you want to continue this? >> Well, that's

what else I was thinking. >> Yeah. >> Um >> Any other >> Oh, no. >> I might into >> Is there any else here who would like to speak this evening? On this one. Because we don't Well, I guess we should I

prefer to probably continue it >> Yeah, yeah. >> because if we were going to deny it or something like that, we would want to probably do it >> I think continue >> prejudice or something like that so

that cuz we don't really know which way they're going to go so I wouldn't I'd almost rather continue it >> Okay. >> do a little homework >> think it was Jen but Jen really >> And that's what if with

Jen sending her to us it makes me think maybe >> me think we can do it. >> There is a way that we could do it. >> She's not going to do a lot without a variance. >> Yeah. >> But then you're creating

>> a variance on something that doesn't exist. >> So I think I think continuing, reaching out to council like Kyle said >> Yes. >> and we'll kind of go from there. >> Yeah. Are we empowered to do this

or is is planning empowered to do this? Is there any one board that could do this? >> the creative like what's the creative solution? >> So do I go to the planning board? >> I would suggest talking to

Jen again and you can you can tell tell her you know I should probably watch the meeting or whatever and then we're going to reach out to town council >> Okay. >> and then we'll kind of go from there.

>> Yeah. >> I think >> not really in theory all that against it. You're just trying to >> it's not a huge deal. >> Yeah, it's not >> a huge ass. >> Yeah. >> Like the question is like, legally do we

have the power to create a lot? Number one. >> Okay. >> Right? And if we start creating lots where we don't have that >> What happens downstream, right? >> I'm here next month. That's what happens. >>

You're here next month. [laughter] That's right. >> I want two lots. >> Yeah, so we don't mean to drag things out. This is a complicated one legally, so we want to make sure we can do it before we do

anything. >> one more question. If we did create a private road, if the private road had enough frontage, then she could build, which she wants to build back there anyway. >> This This is a good one

for Jen, but >> That's a That's a >> But that would be a way to get frontage on the track. >> Put frontage along that. You could put the frontage along >> On the On the private road. And I had thought

of that, but hoping not to, but >> That may be the workaround, yeah. >> It may be the workaround, but >> Yeah. >> Yeah, so >> Getting to create a private road might also count as a hardship, although

it's another self-imposition. Possibly. >> But >> Yeah, I mean there's got to be a creative solution to this kind of >> And maybe as simple as splitting it up and going back. I don't know. >> a

private road I have no idea. >> That's You'd have to get an engineer. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Probably is cost a bit of money. >> For sure costly. >> Good chunk of change. >> Just really your driveway and

calling it a private road kind of sort of, right? Just have different legal ramifications. >> And Jen would definitely have more of the knowledge on that stuff. >> Um >> So do we want to continue to

sound out the area? >> I didn't even bring my calendar. >> That I wouldn't know. >> So if we continue to next month and we don't have an answer yet or if you don't have an answer yet, we can just

continue it to the next meeting after as well. >> Yeah, I don't think Well, we just have to be careful if we or if she would want to withdraw. >> Yeah. >> That would probably be the best thing, yeah.

>> Does it mean if you decide to go in a different direction than this, then >> It's that's the first Thursday. >> Yep. >> That is the first Thursday. >> Okay. >> So continue. >> Yeah. >> Correct. >>

Yeah, we're going to continue it for now, and then I think >> Okay. >> we'll all do a little homework and try to figure out what the best course of action is, and then >> Go from there. >> go from

there. Yeah, if you need to go to planning board, then you should probably, you know, withdraw this without prejudice. That way, you know, it's not like we denied it and you can't come back for two

years. >> Yeah. >> You know. >> That's what happens if we deny it. So >> We deny it. That's why we don't want to deny it. And that way >> why we're trying to get >> continue it. Let's do some homework

and figure out if we can do something. >> That >> Yeah. >> Okay. Learned something [clears throat] new every day. >> I'll make a motion to continue to December 3rd at 7:00 p.m. >> I'll second that

motion. >> All right. We have a motion and second. All those in favor of continuing >> Petrelli, aye. Rick Duchene, aye. >> Calberg, aye. >> All right. The ayes have it. We will hopefully see you

first week in December. >> Thank you. >> Have a good one. >> Yeah, because Zach is not here. You're We all good? >> Making the big money tonight. >> Right under the bus right away. No, just >> Right

under the bus. [laughter] There you go. >> All right. We ready to go? >> Yes. >> To all interested in Adams to the town of Sutton in accordance with the provisions of Mass. General Law Chapter 48

Section 11, the Zoning Board of Appeals will hold a public hearing by means of a Zoom hybrid style meeting on November 5th, 2026 at 7:05 p.m. on the petition of Tracy Ari. The petitioner requests a

special permit as it pertains to Section 3A 4B2 of the town zoning bylaws for the operation of a yoga Pilates studio for women. The property that is subject to this petition is located at 140

Worcester Providence Turnpike as shown on assessor's map number 10 as parcel number The property is located in the B2 Business Highway Zoning District. This meeting will be held in person at the

Sutton Town Hall and or with access virtually via a phone at 1 929 205 6099 or the online Zoom application with a meeting ID number of 897 9324 8641 with a passcode of 646 971. Copy of the petition

may be inspected during normal office hours in the town clerk's office located in the town hall. Daniel Petroli, Board of Appeals clerk. All right, welcome. If you could state your name for the record

and tell us a little bit about your request this evening. >> Good evening, gentlemen. Hi, Lynn. Um my name is Tracy Argi and I am the founder of Her Zen Studio. Um I'm joined here by my husband,

Gideon Argi, and one of the owners at 146 Business District here in Sutton, Jackson Restrepo. Um so we are asking or seeking for a special permit um for a health club. Um we're primarily a Sorry, a

yoga and Pilates studio for women. Um we're pretty established in Worcester. We've been open almost a year now, actually coming up next month. Um we've grown very tremendously in the Worcester

community. We're located downtown Worcester right now. And yeah, we're just hoping to expand. We love the Sutton area. We have a lot of people that are traveling from Millbury, Sutton, Douglas. So we

were like, okay, clearly there's a demand here. Um and that's what has led us here today. >> Oh, congratulations. >> Thank you. >> All right, so currently you have eight workers, you said? >> Yes,

that's correct. Actually now it's seven, but >> Oh. [laughter] >> as of today. >> All right, how do you feel about uh the amount of workers that um something you'll stay around that size? >> Um >>

Success, obviously. >> Yeah, we're definitely So, I've spoken to the team. Um right now, we have three people that would be kind of going um teaching in Worcester and Sutton. So, we have yoga

instructor, one Pilates, and then myself. Um I think this would benefit Sutton because we would be looking to, you know, employ here. So, um if someone wants to work at the front desk or maybe get

some training through us to be an instructor. Um so, yeah, we're looking to expand. Um it wouldn't be too, I guess, extravagant um in the sense that we would offer about two to three classes a day. Um

and it's about 45 minutes per class. So, there wouldn't be too much like negative impositions on traffic or parking. It's just really short-term. Um yeah. >> What are your business hours? >> So, it

varies. Um for Sutton, for the plan that I have, it would be 5:00 or 6:00 a.m. in the morning. That would be very good for, you know, people working, um trying to get a workout in before they go to

work. It's a good time, too, because I've noticed there's not a lot of traffic at that time. Um typically, we hold 12 p.m. classes as well. Those are usually like one-on-ones, so people that prefer

private sessions. And then our latest are like 6:00 or 7:00 p.m. >> And is it uh seven days a week or Monday through Friday? >> Now, I'm thinking probably five days. I'm trying to have Sundays off.

So, probably five days a week. >> That's great. >> Yeah. >> And how big would the like uh max uh maximum class size be? >> So, the biggest would be about 10 people. So, I'm thinking an average of like

seven per class. >> Um this building, it's got multiple units in it, right? Um originally right now, it has an applied behavior analysis. Is that right? And then a card-collecting one is this the for

the whole building or one part of it or >> That that is correct. It's a It's a mixed-use building. It has two residential units on the second floor. >> Not yet. >> And there's one, two, three

businesses on the ground floor currently, including the card collector business, and the yoga studio, and behavioral autism behavioral NBA. Correct. >> And you don't you don't have to make any

improvements to the parking or any improvements inside. >> already 38 parking spaces to begin with, including two car garage. >> So which end of the of the building is this closer to Tony's or further

from Tony's? >> Further from Tony's, next to the card collector place. >> Got it. What kind of parking is available on a normal day with those other businesses? I mean, I can't imagine they take a

whole lot of >> Yeah. Um on a normal day, I've probably seen about five cars parked at a time, so I don't see this being a nuisance. >> All right. >> Yeah, I know the ABA place is mostly like a drop

off. You know, there's like a few staff or like vans, yeah. >> Correct. >> So like the 5:00 6:00 a.m., they wouldn't be there yet, and then our 6:00 p.m. class, they would probably already have done

pickup. >> Is there any like signage being like stand yeah >> We love my signs. >> Not yet, but yeah. >> We'll see you again. [laughter] >> Definitely look at the sign by law and tell them it's a

unique one. [laughter] >> I don't think I have any other questions. >> I think it felt pretty good. I mean, I it's it's always good to hear your businesses come in, so it's great. >> It sounds like

the traffic implications are about as minimal as they can be for any business. It's going to be a small number of people for a long time, few times a day. >> It's in the right spot for a business, so

>> We have some questions, I believe. >> Yeah. >> You'd like to come up. State your name, please, for the record. >> My name is Anne Grabouski. I live at 18 Marble Road. We abut this property. Um, I

thank you for inviting me to this meeting. Um, Marble Road is a small road that runs from Boston Road behind the American Legion and ends up on 146. There are eight occupied houses on our road, five

being occupied by retired folks who have raised their children there, had grandchildren there. Um, it's a quiet residential street. Um, in a small, narrow street. From the end of my driveway to the

other side of the road is 18 ft. Someone said there isn't much traffic with ABC. The cars come in and out and in and out all day long. There's normally 10 to 12 to 20 cars parked in the parking lot.

Um, I would like to if I'd like to read a letter. I met with Jen Hager last year about the traffic problem. And um, and she wrote, as you know, the original reapproval for the use of the building in

2017, including expanding parking from the board's findings on the suitability of various uses of the site was granted with the intent to minimize impact on Marble Road, which hasn't happened. It's

only increased the impact. At the time we approved site plans clearly indicating one-way traffic circulation from north to south in front of the building. Testimony during the public hearing also

emphasized the primary access for tenants and their customers and clients would be from Route 146. [snorts] Access to Marble Road at the rear of the site was intended mainly for residential tenants,

building emergency vehicles. So this was given to the prior um owner, the police boards. Nothing has changed. The traffic up and down Marble Road daily has increased exponentially. Business like this,

and I welcome businesses society. I am not for not business, but this clearly states businesses are supposed to enter and exit that building from 146. There is no other business on 146 that has its

own little back road to cut through. And if you can find one, you let me know. There is none. >> Yeah, okay. >> has caused tremendous problems and I have not received a lot of help. So this is my

opportunity to speak to you and I'll tell you also that when Marty Green was running the show there, he was the previous manager. He painted arrows in the front of the parking lot pointing south. The

cars would not come north and onto Marble Road. It didn't make any difference. So I beg this board to consider this paper and tell me that there's something you might be able to do. >> You can

condition it. >> We got another We got another one. >> It is definitely something we might be able to do. >> Is is that um if you don't mind. >> Please. >> Is that um back exit? Is that considered an

emergency exit or >> From what Jen said, that's what it was for emergency vehicles. >> And the residential tenants because you said There's two residential units up top. >> Yes. That >> Marble Road is

not the road the tenants of that building should be using at all. >> Can I answer? Can I respond? Um I want to start by apologizing for your frustration. Um I think this is something that obviously

you have to kind of pick up with the board, the town. There's a problem somewhere. Um and unfortunately it's led us here. Um what I'm thinking and you did mention signs, so I put here as you were

speaking signs to direct our traffic because so we already have a pre-established lease at 140 Worcester Providence. I've never used Marble Road. That's what you said. So we come straight to the

turnpike and we just turn right to our property and we already have our parking lots in the the space there. We have enough allocated spaces that we use. So I think as a business coming into the

community um we have to do our due diligence of letting our people know you know park here, enter [clears throat] through this way, exit through this way. We can put up the signs like you said. Um so

again I apologize. I know obviously it's been a a couple of years but >> And and if I may I also would like to second that as the new owners, as the new sheriff in town for the building, we can very

easily talk to the other tenants, especially the folks. >> Nico yeah. >> already spoken to Nico? Okay. >> I've spoken to Nico, the manager of the building. He said I will make a brochure, I will put

signs. He has done none of that. So I get a lot of lip service from everyone. This is not a new problem. >> Mm. >> People coming to that business coming from Boston Road east west or north have to go

all the way up to Millbury and turn around like every other business on 146. And that's what I'm asking this board to enforce that this is the way it should be for business. >> So I asked about

improvements to this site. I wonder um and I don't know where this falls like in our thing. I'm just kind of spitballing here, but what if you had like an access control gate for so you know it really

is for tenants, right? Or it's for people who have like the card to open up >> Well, I think that it's going to be up to the property owner to >> Oh, I know, but I'm just kind of spitballing ideas out

there, you know. >> for the record, the this building was purchased about 4 5 weeks ago. >> Mm, okay. >> So we're still in the process and >> You're trying to figure it out. >> transitioning and

trying to figure things out with the tenants. So when Nico said that he had a reintention to talk to the tenants, I'm sure he already has. And I'm sure that things are in progress, but it does take

time. For also for the record, the the tenant over autism behavioral their their staff they do have younger staff that work there. And young people do what young people do. And I'm trying I'm not

trying to justify the behavior. So as property owners, as as responsible tenants that the folks from behavioral autism behavioral are we need to take matters into our own hands, be more responsible

with the staff and make sure that they do adhere to whatever rules we implement so that we can be cognizant of what happens in the neighborhood and what the needs of the neighborhood are. >> That's

what we >> I don't know how that is going to happen. This is a lot of talk which Marty Breen gave me a lot of talk years ago too. I want something concrete that says somehow this can be alleviated.

I'm I'm done talking about this. The speed limit on Marble Road, who knows what it is. They leave there Friday night and they're zipping. They are young. >> It's 55, right? >> It's 55. >> slowdowns,

you know, and I get the universal FU sign to me. So I am done. >> Mm. >> Mm-hmm. >> You know, my husband has Parkinson's. The best exercise is walking. He walks Marble Road at least twice a day. My

grandchildren are on Marble Road. I don't want your traffic. >> Yeah. All right. We have an another >> I apologize. I wanted to say something. >> But you got to state your name. >> State your name,

please. >> It's Claudy Douglas. I do live also on 18 Marble Road. >> What number? >> 18. >> Yeah. So I think the main issue is not even the employees. So I personally went into this behavior school

and I talked to the owner and that lady, she made sure that her employees are keeping the limit. But it's about the customers. They want to cut it. And you have to think the whole road is not wide

enough for two cars go across. Like always somebody has to stop. And we ask please at least slow down. They just racing through. And there's no way if somebody goes across there's time for them to

stop. And now think there's animals or kids walking. Where do you want to go on the road? There's no way to turn. And if there's somebody walking, the person is going to get hit. I called the police

department. They were very nice. They doing their best they can do. They try to enforce it but those people call from morning evening both ways. And I feel like there is the car business. I have a lot

of videos and proofs the way they purposely going fast because they are tired of us complaining, you know? And I say listen think of it's your house. It's the street you live in. You were working hard

to purchase the house. And you can let your kids or pets or whatever out because the people are just going fast. And I call also the highway department. And I ask if there is a way we can enforce the

way. And he said I know the road. [snorts] There's nothing to do. And he said to me he thinks that the road is 30 35 miles per hour. I said to him, when you go down the road where it's marked 32, that

road is wide enough for three cars. And they have signs for 30 miles per hour and speedometer and it's being enforced. And that little private road has absolutely zero enforcement. And the people

people sort of just don't respect it. They're like, okay, I have to pick up my kids. I'm late. I'm just going to cut it through and speed through it, you know? And we asked nicely. Also on the phone.

They're on the phone just racing down, you know? And I do have a cat. I know it's no one's business. He always runs out. And many times like it nearly happened that he got hit, you know? There's

grandkids, you know? There's a lot of kids walking and you know, you just look around and the kid [snorts] is on the street, you know? I know it's no one's only our responsibility to care about the

kids, but I feel like in the residential street it should be enforced and make it to one way to be safer because I really don't think that 35 miles per hour is right. And people they work hard to

purchase a house. I don't feel like they should be suffering from businesses. What I I love new businesses. That's great, but I feel like the residential should be first before the businesses. I know

my suggestion is maybe not right. Maybe it's not uh manageable, but Tony's, I know it's private, but I feel like maybe the businesses could talk together. Tony has two ways. One from highway, one from

this other side. Between Tony's and the the business there. What is it called the >> Autism ABCs. >> ABCs. There's a large fence. If they would cut through it Tony is like closed the whole day and

they open at night. So in the day >> Well, they open at lunch. >> Well, in the lunch too, but still I feel like it will be way >> Yeah. >> And people become to excuse >> Mhm. >> to go through our way

because they are late or I don't know what's on their mind or their selfishness. I mean I don't drive fast. I do go on a highway and I'm from Germany. So we do drive fast, but I don't understand like

how you don't think that you're in a small area, you know, and you don't care about the people and just drive fast. And I even say like [snorts] look you, if you hit somebody, they don't care about

you. They want to like ruin your life, you know. You don't want to do that. You say all right, I don't really care, you know. I talked to the business owner there. The car owner, he told me there's

nothing I can do because we cannot lose our customers. I don't really care about the customers. You have a wide road from the highway, you know. And I feel like they should enforce it. And employees,

again, we ask them nicely. They try to go slow. I have to say that they are really good to talk to, but the problem is the customers. Literally all day long there's traffic. It's not like one, two

cars. There's traffic. Like always, sometimes three, four cars behind. So that's the only issue. Like we don't have issue with the business. I mean I love Pilates and stuff, you know. But it's just

crazy and you have to see sometimes we are like sitting in the living room and you see just the people racing and you know the wind behind the cars. And then you just asking them to slow down, you

know, and they don't care. That's the whole issue. >> I think this is this is something that is like it's just a frustration, something that I I if we come on board, we can all work together, work

with the owners, work with the town. But even if we don't get the permit tonight, it's still going to be an issue. There's still going to be a business that gets established there. So we're hoping >>

Yeah. >> She's agreed that's appropriate. Yeah. Oh yeah. >> I I don't know what the problem is or how we can enforce it >> Okay. >> Yeah. So I I don't think it's about us. Like I don't feel like you

guys are attacking us. I think that obviously this is something that >> So as >> like the hope that we solve >> Get Excuse Mr. Chair. >> Yeah. I mean please. >> This is an issue for the town and by

the town I mean all of us, every single one of us, the business owners, the property owners, and the residential owners. This could be easily resolved as putting in speed bumps. Have have that >> How

is the Thank you. But as the owner now, how is the parking lot? I'm not familiar with the backside of the building and how they're cutting in and out. Can you get jersey barriers and just put an end

to them, have an access to Marble Road? >> Put in a jersey barrier to the building driveway so they can >> So they they can't a fence anything so they can't access it. >> There could be other people

still >> Right. I mean >> I mean if you put those barriers >> Well you can leave an opening for the fire department with a chain or something that's so people can't just drive through. >> Well I

thought I somebody Did you >> I suggested an access control gate. You know just so so basically your tenants and your employees have a card and it's just like get in and then the >> I mean I think it

would just be the tenants really. I think anybody of any of the businesses that work there shouldn't be using the Marble Road. You have access on and off 146 so you should be using it. Right. But

right. I think and according to Jen's letter, the residents should have access to them. >> So when the site plan approval or the special permit went out when this building was put in place, I'm sure

there was a condition or something that we can enforce or go back to them, whether it was planning board of Ross, we should do our due diligence on that side. But >> I mean, our job is to condition

the use, but one of the conditions is the effect >> detriment to the neighborhood and obviously there's already an issue. >> the detriment, yeah. >> Yeah, I understand that and we're going to see what

we can do. As the new owner, like I said, well, I'm not familiar with the rear of the property and how they're going through. We can do a site visit if guys think if the board thinks we need to >> not

related to this exact project, I think there's frustration there and if it falls under our purview of >> Right, unfortunately she's caught in the middle. >> Yep. >> There's an issue, a pre-existing

issue and he's got a new owner who probably just found out about it right now how bad it is. So um >> Can I just ask what was in the space before? >> There was a Keller Williams uh brokerage used to

be located in there. Real estate agency used to be located in there. >> And that did not cause a lot of >> traffic, yeah. >> I can see uh studio where women are trying to get there on time or when

they're leaving get home to their kids using Marble Road as a quick getaway and that's the way it's been and it's clearly stated here that that's >> we understand. >> So I guess I have a question. >>

Good. >> We could condition whatever, access control gate, Jersey barrier, chain, whatever, but then the new business people are responsible for that, not the business not the business not the owner

of the property. >> Yeah. >> So that's where it kind of is like uh >> Yeah, it would be a condition on just that one out of three businesses in that building also, which is a little >> It's kind of >>

why I'm wondering if we can pull the originals site plan and special permit for when the building was put in because then you could enforce it on that If there wasn't enforceable condition for them or

something. >> That building has been there probably since before I was >> Since 19 This is 1947 so >> I been there [clears throat] over >> don't think there's a site plan that you're going to find on

that um >> it was built in 1947 so the building has a right to use the road as much as everyone else understanding of course their concerns why not tackle the road itself to slow traffic down like

they've done millions of times in millions of towns all the time. It's enforce the speed put in the speed limits enforce the speed limits put in the speed bumps do what it takes to slow traffic down

and we as property owners we're going to continue to be as responsible as we can possibly be when it comes to changing behavior. We can do that but there's so much we can do. >> Well I think it's

going to it's going to come down also to the businesses. >> This this happens all the time. >> What board do we >> The select board is responsible for roads in town. >> They can't change the speed I

think I think they someone can change the speed limit on a road in town it happens all the time. >> I think it's MGL. >> So >> So we are caught in the middle because you're caught in the middle

unfortunately. >> Well I want to personally speak on her Zen. So we're a women only yoga and Pilates wellness studio. You can look us up we have a very tight community. Um I am a very disciplined

person. I'm an empath I I care but that also translates in my business so I'm very proud of our community because they respect themselves. We haven't had any problems we right now in Worcester where

we're at we actually are in a residential and business district so pretty similar. Um there are way more residents there there's no parking there. We don't have issues with traffic violations people

know they have to pay to park. They don't park in people's spots. Um, so I can only speak in terms of I know what I can do with my people. It's communicating with them. The application software that

we use, it's it's quick as me like hitting a button and saying, remember guys, don't you know, don't use this road. Follow the signs XYZ. So that's I guess how I can petition for my business. But I

also understand the frustration goes far back, so you're going to have to take take a chance on us. But that's really all I can say. >> property owner, and I don't know if this is the right forum to

say this, but I can participate in whatever neighborhood meetings we I would need to participate in to alleviate this condition in some way, shape or form. I would be in favor of putting in whatever

barriers we need to put in on the road to slow traffic down. And if ultimately if it means doing something on our own property to encourage certain behavior, I will also be open to that. But like you

said, chair >> Yeah, I mean I think talking to people is >> Yeah, I mean I think everyone's spoken with people and you know, it sounds like if we could somehow limit the use of them coming out that

way, then that would just put an end to it. You know, I'm not sure like I said, Dan showed me a little picture of the parking lot, but you know, talking to people isn't working. So we need a solid >>

We need a solid plan. >> You need some way that whether it's a jersey barrier, a plastic one, or chain, or whatever to limit that access out the out the rear of the property is you know. >> since you

mentioned both of you that the main issue is us, not the ABA or I guess the card collector >> No, no, no. >> Okay. Well, you said you were worried specifically for the >> It sounds like there's heavy

traffic already. >> So what I'm thinking is we can probably block it off during hour class completely. >> Can you do that legally? Restrict access to people that just want to go on the road at any

given time at any given day? >> All right. Thank you. I don't know the answer to that, but as a property owner, it might be the easiest thing to do is to just try to >> Block it off. >> Block it off.

I'm not sure, Lynn, what direction we should go cuz it is kind of like a planning board issue it almost seems. >> What I was just questioning, and I don't know if it's accurate or not, I I don't think

you're supposed to ride through residential area to get to a commercial spot. >> Well, we're the only one in Sutton that you can do it. >> unfortunately >> That's right. >> But having said that, I

think this is an emergency >> Exit, yeah. >> that's been there since the beginning of time. I could be wrong. But having said that, I don't think speed bumps on Marble Road is going to work because

you're going to damage you have an emergency vehicle that needs to get in there. You're going to damage those vehicles if they're flying over these speed bumps. >> I mean again, I'm thinking in >> The

chain is probably the least worst option. >> the condos up on Woodbury Hill Heights, they have an emergency exit up onto Stone School Road, but that's blocked off. >> Right, and the fire department

has access to those locks and stuff like that if there was emergency exits. >> and I'm not saying it's an option, but that may be something as owner you may want to look into. >> I'm sorry, to look

into what? >> Like in a like a like he said, a lift gate or something. >> or something until you get the >> Your tenants might have access to that they can um >> Right and uh >> lift the gate so that

>> is something that we would consider, of course. >> Yeah. >> But and you would work that out with Jen of course in in planning. Um she should have some input on this as well. >> I can I will commit

to having those discussions with the town. What I don't want them is to get caught up in this whole process. Um but I can commit here in a town meeting to have those conversations with Jen and

whomever it is that I need to have these conversations too so that we can alleviate the concerns being expressed by our own abutters cuz we want to be friendly uh a friendly business, a friendly

property owner and we want to address your concerns. I mean that when I say it publicly. So >> Is it fair to say that we would think about conditioning some >> Yeah, so let's talk about what the board

can do. So we can set a condition on this business use, restricting access from the back and then if that's not being followed, then that would be in violation of their special permit. It might be

hard to prove who's violating it as cars come and go, you'd have to somehow monitor who the customers are, but seeing as this is the the application before us, this is what we have leverage over at

this moment. Unfortunately, we can't like retroactively add this condition to the other two uses in the building. Um but you know >> What if it's someone that just comes and turns around in our

parking lot and zooms out? >> I mean there's a million scenarios that you're not going to be able to control. >> [laughter] >> But that's but that's why I'm saying if there was a way to physically

block it off >> Right. >> Whether you know emergency vehicles had access and whatever, then that you know permanently >> That could be solved. >> department and police as well >> Yes. >> Right and >>

you had that lift gate or >> Or chain. >> As a suggestion, I know it sounds silly, but your customers who apply make How would I would personally put an Everyone needs to put, you know, like when you

do school, your car model and your license plate. So if they are going to violate it, like we have a cameras. So I would be able to tell you like, hey, this is this car who is violating, then you can

see if it's your customer or not, you know, if there's no barrier. >> But I think the board is saying it's going to be a barrier. There's going to be something >> I think the I think the board I think

the board is saying that we because we can condition the thing in front of us, it's probably fair to say I mean, I would push for a condition. I don't know what my colleagues would do. >> And I mean,

she is only responsible for her own customers. You know, it's not up to you to police everyone else. So I think we add a condition to her. We'll leave it up to her to handle her own customers. The new

owner has committed to trying his best to correct the problem. So I think >> I think it's only going to >> That's all we can do. We can't punish her for what the tenants are already doing. I

sympathize with your issues. Right. Perfect. And I, you know >> agreed upon. >> And now he knows how serious >> It is a serious problem. >> Yeah. >> And now he realizes that. So we'll give him the

benefit of the doubt that he's going to do what he can to to make it better for you. >> I think I think the condition is a punishment because you said you don't want to punish our business, but it is

because how do we know >> you is to let your customers know please don't exit the rear of the building or I'm going to get in trouble, you know? That's all. >> from the rear. That come The letter says

access to that building for businesses >> So I understand all of that and I plan to do everything in my power to communicate. My question is this is there's no guarantees, but if one day you show up

and you say, I swear it was somebody from the yoga studio, but it wasn't. There's no way to prove that. So that's what >> I don't think that's going to happen. We'll give him the benefit of the doubt

that he's going to make this go away. >> right. It sounds like. >> And I want to make sure that you get my phone number so that you we can continue to work together. >> like this on a lot of things. I

mean, these are very very standard condition. >> Okay. >> We'll put our conditions on. We'll put [laughter] light conditions and when lights can be on outside. Very normal conditions. >> the class

size is on because that's all stuff that we can >> Right. >> We can control. >> my due diligence and honestly. >> This condition that would be put on you is not something that we haven't put on other

companies in the past for to mitigate other issues. We're not doing something outside of our normal things we would do. >> And it's encouraging to hear the new owners kind of willing to write sort of

what appears to be When was this past past wrongs? >> All right, thank you. Thank you. All right. So I think we've got that somewhat mitigated. A start to it at least, hopefully. >> we do. >> What

what kind of follow through on that? All right. Any other questions or anything from you? >> No. >> All right. Any other questions? >> No, I think this is a good application. It's a good use for this

spot. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. So it seems to be very successful business, so hopefully that would carry on here. >> Yep. >> Thank you. >> All right. No other questions or anything then I entertain a

motion to close the hearing. >> I'll make a motion to close the hearing on 140 Mr. Pro and Mr. Pike. >> I'll second. >> All right, motion is second. Woo. >> Tara I. Petrelli I. Rick De Shane I. >>

Gaber I. >> Long and Norfer I. >> All right. We'll do a work session in >> a minute, I guess. Do you want to stick around? You're more than welcome. Or you can call tomorrow and find out what

happened. >> Thank you so much. >> two for two. >> All right. >> [laughter] >> All right, we're giving it a minute. >> Do we do minutes before? >> I can We can do minutes now or we can go right into a

work session. Did everybody look at the minutes? >> Yes. >> Are there any corrections? Hearing none. I say the minutes have been approved as presented. If I can find them, I'll sign them. Entertain a

motion to open a work session. >> Christmas here. I'll make a motion to open a work session on 140 Worcester Providence Turnpike. >> Demptner second. >> Uh motion and a second to open a work session

on Was it 170? >> 140. >> 140 Worcester Providence Turnpike. >> Yep. >> Charlie I. >> Petera I. Whitdeshan I. >> Demptner I. All right, so the applicant is asking for a special permit uh to allow the

operation of a yoga Pilates studio. Now 140 Worcester Providence Turnpike. >> I'll make a motion to approve permit for the operation of a yoga slash Pilates studio. >> With conditions. >> All right,

let's continue on discussion on it then. Um >> Did you say a second on that? >> Calberg, I'll make a second. >> All right. Kyle the second. Uh >> Proposed wording for condition access to business is

from 146 not Marble Road. >> Correct. >> Yes, part of the letter >> Mhm. >> Maybe per the letter July dated July 1, 2025 from planning Jen Hagger. >> True. They're not the owner of the building, so

don't need to be complaining or >> Right, cuz I mean like normally too we could say all right, come back in 6 months. >> Yeah. >> We'll review >> Right. >> what's going on, but she isn't the owner, so

she isn't responsible for the other people in her business. >> And there's no way to >> She's kind of in the She's kind of stuck in the middle of a >> What I'm saying for the owner of the building, I

mean every business in town is responsible to follow bylaws and >> And you just purchase the building, so we'll give them the benefit of the doubt that >> Yeah. >> They should just stick a chain up,

yeah, I think. >> I mean is >> I mean I completely understand >> The building is on 146, you ought to be able to handle business traffic here. Um is is the issue that people are exiting 146 onto

Marble or they're leaving the building? >> Marble They're coming in and out of Marble from the back. There's a little entrance right on the back. >> So it's really just the the existence of this back

entrance. >> I mean if the building's been there since 1940 >> Yeah, and that's not the >> were put on that road, they have a right to use the road to a degree. >> Mhm. >> Yes. >> Yep. >> It's not a

private road. It's a public road, I'm pretty sure. >> Again, I don't know about this thing that you you raised, yeah. Like are you supposed to be going through a residential to access commercial when

there's a commercial entrance? I am not sure about that, yeah. >> behind. >> I mean but like everyone has to drive through residential to get to commercial in some fashion or another. I leave my

driveway, I got to drive through residential to get to Walmart down the road. I mean >> Should we reach out to Jen to let her know that this situation is >> I Yeah, >> in existence? >> Yeah. >> And if

you could, I guess that would probably be a good thing. >> I mean it sounds like this is a zoning enforcement issue potentially potentially. >> It's like that left turn out of the Bank of America, you

know. >> Yeah. >> The addition is like you can't turn left. >> I think it depends if that letter from whenever it is actually is the rule that was put on this business when it was put into place. >>

that that the thing I think >> If that exists and that is historical and factual, then >> Way back then also Marble Road was a two-way street that went out to 146. >> I mean the roads change. >> one

way because of the traffic. >> Right, cuz that entrance to 146 is closed. You can't You can't turn for 146 into Marble Road. They even like hooked it so like you would have to do like a huge turn to

get in. You know what I'm talking about? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it's funny. It's like >> kind of a dead like a >> Yeah, like you can't go in here. Yeah, exactly. And it's it's structured so you can go in

there. >> Yeah. I've driven by it thousands of times. I've never had the impulse to >> That's also why I assume that that entrance on the back, even if it was an emergency entrance, they would just

have to come in through the front to feed around the corner there. I mean just pull onto the and right in. >> Yeah, that's true. >> I mean >> Oh, actually you're saying they would still come down

Marble, pull out into 146, get in. >> There's a solid case here that there's there's no limitation of access for emergency vehicles cuz it's literally on 146 here. And so even if you could drive

around >> type of emergency access like that and whether it's gated or a chain, the fire department has a key to the lock or they have bolt cutters. They'll get in. >> They'll get in one way or

another. >> in one way or the other. So that's not >> I don't think it fully goes to this use permit, so >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No. >> I mean the building was built, the parking spots are there. >>

Yeah. >> That's a tough situation. >> Again, it's like we can only >> a That's a tough situation. >> Yeah, we can only like respond to the thing in front of us. Like I get it, yeah. So unless you're

coming southbound on 146, every other way you got to go all the way around to get in there if you don't use Marble Road. >> Yep. >> That's the big downfall of 146. >> Yeah, exactly. Yeah. >> And

before Tony's put their second entrance in, I'm sure everyone used Marble Road to get to Tony's at the time because >> Right. >> And And the parking lots, nice, but we can. We can't make that happen.

>> Yeah. >> All right. So what else do we have to condition? Anything? She's going to do her best to Should we restrict business hours? >> No later than no later than 7 p.m. But she said up to 7 p.m.

>> she said 5 a.m. to 7 p.m. >> And you just want to say 8 >> Well, she can have a class at 7 so yeah I was going to say you want to say 8 or 9 or something like that just to >> reasonable time I feel

like and she can always come in and petition to change that if it needs to be changed so. >> What are we doing what are we doing for our start time? Cuz she says she has >> is as early as >> I feel

like that is in line with other fitness >> Yeah, I mean boys can show up and open it up before that. >> I mean >> So 5 a.m. to 8 p.m. >> Yep. >> Yeah, Monday through Friday. >> I think Monday through

Saturday. >> Oh, Monday through Saturday. She said Sunday. >> I would say I would include Saturdays for sure. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> No signs. Any signs that >> signs yet. >> Big illuminated one on the

roof. >> Big We warned them about the sign bylaws. That's all we could do. >> Reference [clears throat] the sign bylaws really restrictive and every business struggles with it cuz they yeah it's small

and they have only had limited number they can have so everybody ends up wanting some exceptions to the sign bylaws we have. >> allowed like one on the building and one free standing. >> But we like

the what is it internally illuminated. >> illuminated. >> And we like it to shut off when the store when the >> we do like that. >> whatever has the sign closed >> lit up. We like just the logo and

the words lit up. That's the preferred. >> the one. >> Not the words lit up. >> the bylaw. That's just >> in the bylaw. >> That's just a board. >> If they're coming for extras then we're >> decision.

>> We're being editorial. >> All right. So >> red garage doors. >> [laughter] >> That's right. Yeah, red is bad. >> All right. So we had a motion and a second. We've had some discussion. Is everybody

good? >> Yeah. >> All right. Motion and a second. All those in favor of granting as requested. >> Patera I. >> Recte Shane I. >> Calbergson, aye. >> Logan-Dorf, aye. >> You guys have it. Uh, anything

else? We did the minutes. We good? >> Is there a reshuffle again? >> Is there what? >> A reshuffle again? >> Feel like every meeting we have a reshuffle of the board you ask now. >> Well, I think you

missed it and we we made you the chairman. >> You're the chair, yeah. >> Oh, great. >> Why am I sitting here? You're supposed to be here. All right, I will entertain a motion to adjourn. >> Calbergson

make a motion. >> Sorry, I was yawning. [laughter] Uh, Matera second. >> All right, motion and second. All those in favor? >> Matera, aye. >> Petrelli, aye. >> Rektashene, aye. >> Calbergson, aye. >>

Logan-Dorf, aye. See you next Tuesday in mine. >> See you next one. Got an audience and [snorts] a large