2026-10-14 - Public Safety Committee

01:33Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and

01:35welcome to the public safety and

01:36emergency management committee. Um,

01:39madame clerk, could you please uh make

01:42notice that the name of the committee

01:44needs to be adjusted?

01:46>> Okay.

01:46>> It has to say public safety and

01:47emergency management committee.

01:50Um,

01:52okay. Today is Wednesday, October 14,

01:56and it is approximately 6:08 p.m. Voting

01:59members present today. Uh, to my left is

02:03our vice chair and councelor at large,

02:07um, Anna Levy and, uh, city councelor

02:10Rosalie Gonzalez. Uh, noted as absent is

02:14uh, councelor Selena Reyes. Pursuant to

02:17chapter 20 of the acts of 2022, the

02:19meeting of public safety and emergency

02:21management committee is being conducted

02:23both in person and via remote

02:25participation. A reminder that persons

02:27who would like to listen to and or view

02:29this meeting while in progress may

02:30either attend in person um at the 200

02:33Common Street City Council Chambers

02:35Lawrence Mass uh location or uh use any

02:39any of the following access locations

02:41such as our Facebook Lawrence City

02:43Council page and our YouTube Lawrence

02:45City Council page. Uh Madame Clerk, if

02:48you could please call the role.

02:53>> Councelor Rosel Gonzalez

02:54>> present.

02:56Vice Chair and Councelor Anna Levy

02:59>> present.

03:00>> Councelor Selena Reyes is noted absent.

03:03And Madame Chair [snorts] Vivian Marl

03:07>> present.

03:08>> Thank you.

03:09>> Okay. If we could please stand for the

03:11pledge of allegiance before commencing

03:12today's meeting.

03:14>> I aliance to the flag of the United

03:17States of America and to the republic

03:19for which it stands. One nation under

03:22God, indivisible, with liberty and

03:24justice for all.

03:27>> Oh,

03:28>> yes.

03:29>> Could we confirm? Oh,

03:32>> councelor Reyes.

03:33>> Councelor Reyes, I just wanted to make

03:35sure. Could you hear me? Could you hear

03:36us?

03:38>> Yes. I want to double check. Did you

03:39hear me?

03:41>> We could. Um, if you could please

03:43>> noted. Um, console, I'm doing a roll

03:46call. Console Selena Reyes

03:48>> present.

03:49>> Thank you.

03:52So, I'm looking for a motion to approve

03:55u minutes of August 25th of 2025,

04:00September 10th of 2025,

04:03January 15, 2026, and March 2nd of 2026.

04:08>> So, move second.

04:11>> Oh, let me repeat that. I'm so sorry.

04:13I'm looking for a motion to approve

04:15minutes for council approval of August

04:1725th, 2025, September 10th of 2025,

04:20January 15 of 2026, and March 2nd of

04:232026.

04:24>> So move.

04:25>> Second. Um, all those in favor? Oh,

04:27Madame Clerk, could you please call the

04:29RO?

04:31>> Councelor Rosel Gonzalez,

04:33>> yes.

04:34>> Councelor Anna Levy,

04:36>> yes.

04:38Councelor

04:39Selena Reyes.

04:44>> Thank you. And Madame Chair, Vivian

04:46Marmal,

04:47>> uh, present.

04:48>> Thank you. I mean, yes. I don't know why

04:51I'm I'm thinking of um I'm so sorry. I'm

04:53thinking of [laughter]

04:57um the attendance. Yes. Please uh ensure

05:00that you have that.

05:01>> Yes. Um, councilors, we have uh under

05:04new business um item 41226. Councelor

05:09Reyes, I I do want to make sure that

05:11you're aware that we did receive a

05:13package of information. Um I'll have to

05:17make sure that it's emailed to you. We

05:20just I just received this and we made

05:22copies for all counselors. So, I'll make

05:24sure to that you have your own copy on

05:27your desk and I'll have to have a

05:29conversation with our city clerk to

05:31ensure that she could email this to you

05:33as well. I I haven't received it by

05:35email and none of the other counselors

05:37as well.

05:40>> Uh, thank you for letting me know.

05:42>> Okay, so item 41226,

05:45uh, Lawrence Police Department. We we do

05:47have Sergeant Dart that's going to speak

05:49on um the flock safety cameras. Um are

05:55you guys joining forces?

05:58[laughter]

05:58Okay. Um

06:01by all means um please present uh what

06:06you have the overview for this

06:08presentation. And I know that you are

06:10already speaking um somewhat on this

06:13item under the ordinance committee, but

06:16um due to the fact that there's been

06:18many growing concerns on this item, it

06:21was recommended by the chief to have the

06:24uh have this discussion um under public

06:27safety committee um and therefore allow

06:30other counselors to chime in and ask

06:32questions um based on this item. So you

06:35have the floor.

06:37>> Good evening. Uh Salman Dar Sergeant

06:41Lawrence Pey 55 L Street UT division.

06:46[snorts]

06:47We uh received the agenda uh regarding

06:50questions regarding flock safety cameras

06:52and obviously uh shooting statistics and

06:55public safety technology. A packet was

06:58submitted today uh that's going to be

07:00introduced on the uh for the 20th uh

07:04that entails exactly this and that's

07:06under the 9.25

07:10um city ordinance that's required for

07:13the department to submit. Um so we were

07:16just making sure that we are a part to

07:18that and you had the documentation to

07:20review prior to that meeting. Uh that

07:23entails exactly what you may have a as

07:26far as questions for flock safeties and

07:29um we just needed some clarification

07:31[snorts]

07:31uh regarding the shooting statistics.

07:34>> So if you don't mind the shooting

07:36statistics that's the next item. Okay.

07:38>> So for this item we're just going to

07:40focus on the FL

07:43>> um and anything surrounding the flat

07:46cameras. How many how does it work?

07:50Okay.

07:50>> Um and

07:53we'll figure out what are other pending

07:55questions that counselors have.

07:56>> So basics would be uh the the technology

08:00itself is to read uh license plates.

08:03Correct. So what when there's an

08:05investigation there is a list that goes

08:08by if the uh in the item is on that

08:11particular list it will be triggered by

08:13that technology which alerts the

08:15officers. That's the premise of it. uh

08:18they're in various locations of the

08:19city. Uh there's 35 of them and uh

08:23that's how we the only time that's only

08:26initialized is if there is investigation

08:27or there's a 911 call that comes in and

08:30requires us to review any of that

08:32information. There's some recent more

08:34safeguards that been put into place

08:36because we want to show transparency

08:38towards that. Now it requires also uh an

08:42incident number to be associated every

08:44time an officer goes and and uh uses

08:46that this technology. So

08:49>> um

08:52so I'm going to speak for me. I like to

08:54have things be dumbed down in a way

08:56where it's like very intro 101. When you

08:59say the

09:02these license plate readers are

09:05triggered to to be effective upon

09:10>> something serious happening. What do you

09:12mean by that? Whether it's an Amber

09:14Alert like

09:15>> example would be basic would be a stolen

09:18car, right? Okay.

09:19>> So there's a hot sheet for those stolen

09:21cars. If the if the device picks up on

09:25that plate, it will alert us which then

09:27we dispatch the officer.

09:29>> Okay. Is there a certain criteria as to

09:32what like what are labeled as serious

09:35crimes? It's just not it it does it

09:38doesn't get turned on for any specific

09:40um

09:40>> No, it's it's specific. It's specific to

09:43the the case itself. I'll let the

09:45captain elaborate a little more.

09:47>> Sure. I can um I like to use the word

09:49the term layman's terms, not dumb down.

09:51if you're okay with that.

09:52>> Of course.

09:53>> So, um, in layman's terms, the there are

09:5635 cameras out there. The 35 cameras are

09:58taking still photos. Okay. This is not

10:02video. They're still photos. Still

10:04photos of the rear of cars when they

10:07pass these cameras. Okay. Those photos

10:11are then searchable by the program by an

10:13officer. Okay. Um, that is all that it

10:17is um doing. It is taking a picture of

10:19the back of a car. Now the back of the

10:21car includes the license plate and also

10:25logo um you know emblem um make model uh

10:30shape of uh rear rear plates uh I'm

10:34sorry brake lights and um and also uh

10:37luggage racks bumper stickers stuff like

10:39that. Um there are two different

10:41functions with the flock cameras. There

10:43is a hut list which Sergeant Dar was

10:45talking about. If there is um an alert

10:49to a um stolen car, an Amber alert, a

10:55silver alert,

10:57anybody who has dispatch and anyone who

10:59has the Flock app active on their phone

11:01will be alerted to that and then they

11:03can be dispatched or go to that

11:05location. So if we if we have an Amber

11:07alert out there and we get an alert

11:10southbound on Broadway at the Mthuan

11:12line, we would then dispatch officers

11:15cars out there for a certain plate and

11:17model. Now when there is a that's the

11:19hutless function. Now there is the

11:21investigative function. The

11:23investigative function is when an

11:25officer decides they want to they're

11:28dispatched to a call, they're doing an

11:29investigation, they can search these

11:31pictures that Flock has been taking of

11:34the rear of cars for specific things and

11:37it can be for a specific license plate

11:39or we can search for a specific make,

11:41model, type of a of a car. Okay? It's

11:44not limited to license plate reading.

11:46The software allows us to search for

11:48that. So, if you if you'd like, I could

11:51give you an example. We have a hit and

11:53run, okay? And the person doesn't get a

11:56license plate. The person simply gets um

12:00a make, model, and color, a red Honda

12:03CRV, okay? Traveling south on Broadway.

12:06The officer could then go to that camera

12:09that's located on Broadway and look for

12:12a specific time period and look for a

12:15red Honda CRV that goes through and

12:17maybe finds the license plate because

12:20again it's taking the picture. So now

12:22that would be a suspect motor vehicle.

12:25Not automatically our our our our

12:29person we're going to charge, but that

12:30would allow us to do some more

12:32investigating and rule that vehicle in

12:35or out of our investigation.

12:37Does that kind of help?

12:39>> No, of course. Um

12:42I I know I have several questions, but I

12:45want to make sure that um

12:47>> and due to the fact that there's three

12:49different packages, I want to make sure

12:51that um I'm allowing during [snorts]

12:54these segments if there is any

12:56counselors that have any questions

12:59>> u that they would like to bring up

13:00during what's been said so far.

13:04>> Councelor Le, you have a question so So

13:07share this is what I'm looking in here

13:09because not too long ago I just hear

13:11about the problems uh with that with the

13:15that kind of camera that one of the

13:18council on meth have I don't know so you

13:21haven't hear about the complain and all

13:23the problems

13:24>> I'm very familiar with that counselor um

13:26I don't know how much we want to go into

13:28that but I can say that it was a um I

13:31think what I can say openly is it was a

13:33misunderstanding

13:34>> in the original comments ments by that

13:36other counselor from another city. Um

13:39that that was properly investigated and

13:42her initial thought there was no problem

13:44and that um the officer was cleared and

13:47it was uh used very appropriately in

13:49that setting.

13:51>> So the amount of time that she said that

13:54was searched is not

13:56>> it that was not accurate. It was a

13:58misunderstanding. It was only searched

14:00one time.

14:01>> Okay. And um the um larger number, the

14:05359 time number that was thrown out

14:07there was the actual history that the

14:11officer, it was the number of searches

14:13that officer had conducted in a 2-year

14:15period, not the number of times that

14:17that license plate was searched. The

14:20license plate was only searched one

14:22time. It was a misunderstanding by the

14:24third party website that the um the

14:27person went to and it was investigated

14:30by internal affairs and by um by the

14:34Lawrence Police Department and we were

14:36able to 100% confirm her license plate

14:39was searched one time related to a hit

14:42and run on Broadway.

14:45No, that's uh through you madam chair

14:48that brought the attention because I say

14:50you know if you did not committing any

14:52any crime or you did not committing

14:55anything or your play is clean uh

14:58something happened at one time so why

15:02you it's practically 300 something time

15:05it is practically almost every day that

15:07she was uh getting anywhere that's the

15:10person was coming. Yes. And that brings

15:14some concern. That's us as well.

15:15>> And we were very concerned when we heard

15:17359* 2. When the initial report was made

15:20to us, I honestly I was very upset. Um

15:23but once we were able to look at it and

15:25look at the information and understand

15:28why somebody would arise to that number

15:29and I understand why somebody came up

15:31with that number initially. Um, and very

15:34quickly we were able to see that a

15:36mistake was made and then we further

15:39went on and did our investigation and

15:41realized it was only flocked one time.

15:44Um, searched in flock one time and

15:46searched appropriately. It was searched

15:48as a result of a hit-and- run

15:49investigation with a making model of a

15:52vehicle given. He then went to a

15:54specific camera and looked for that make

15:56and model vehicle in that area at that

15:58general time. found a plate, ran that

16:03plate in flock, and quickly realized

16:05that it was not the suspect vehicle,

16:07found a different I'm sorry, different

16:09suspect motor vehicle, and solved the

16:12case. The the the the vehicle was was a

16:16um vehicle of interest for a short

16:18period of time. We're talking about a

16:1945minute period of time.

16:21>> And that it was um it was not searched

16:24in flock 359 times. I can't be more

16:26clear about that. It was searched one

16:28time. ruled out as the vehicle of

16:31interest and the proper vehicle the

16:34suspect motor vehicle was identified.

16:36>> Okay. So I wanted this like for

16:38clarification and for the record what

16:40you are telling right now that was just

16:42only one time because I said well I'm

16:46scared that's my life is completely

16:50[laughter]

16:51it's

16:52>> something I mean I'm going to be

16:55watching every single day or you know

16:58for that is a camera. How many camera do

17:00we have in in the

17:02>> flock cameras or or

17:04>> the flock?

17:04>> The flock 35.

17:06>> 35. Yeah.

17:06>> Right now.

17:07>> 35 right now.

17:08>> Yeah. So, no when with the other camera

17:10we started with about 70 when we

17:14installed the other one.

17:16>> So,

17:16>> this you're talking about the city video

17:18cameras.

17:18>> The city video cameras. I think so that

17:20we started with about 70 uh camera at

17:23the time. So and now beside we have

17:26beside all those camera we have a 35

17:29>> we have 35 flock LPR cameras

17:31>> they they obviously this serves a

17:34different purpose altogether city

17:36cameras or city cameras um

17:38>> but this has a specific tool this is a

17:41tool that we use for investigation

17:43purposes only so

17:45>> if there is something that's uh you know

17:48alerted we will follow through by using

17:50this tool this is why it was um asked of

17:53this council to approve that, the demo

17:56of that, the process that was taken in

17:58place when it was first initiated. Uh I

18:00know there's a lot of other public talk

18:03out there. Uh that's a a subjective

18:05matter. I think uh when it concerns to

18:09Lawrence PD and the citizens of

18:11Lawrence, uh everybody should be at ease

18:14that we're not in any nefarious

18:17business. We're here to help people. You

18:19know, we're here to help the public. So

18:21if we can solve a crime quicker with

18:24efficiency with no we try to make that

18:28there is no errors you know for the due

18:30process um I think this is where it's

18:34it's it's key to have something like

18:35this so um and it's fine it's it's it's

18:39absolutely in the right of anybody to

18:41question hey uh as you are doing today

18:43and we can bring some clarity to that

18:46>> are we thinking to increase the amount

18:49of camera the floor camera.

18:52>> We are uh um we do have something

18:55scheduled for tomorrow night where we

18:57have a vendor that's going to be showing

18:59showcasing their version of it. Um

19:02hopefully that's something that um

19:04intrigues uh the council to the point

19:08that we can start a demo phase. We would

19:10like to explore other options. Um, not

19:14to say anything negative about our

19:15current vendor, but it's always good to

19:17see how technology evolves throughout

19:19different vendors and what they can

19:21produce. So,

19:22>> if it's a better better alternative,

19:24then we will uh, you know, we'll

19:25definitely bring that to you

19:27>> through you, Maranchia. Paul, how long

19:29right now are being using the camera?

19:32>> We've ex uh, we just renewed the

19:34contract with vlog for those LPRs for

19:36this fiscal year. So

19:38>> yeah, for for how long have been

19:41>> how long have we've had uh since

19:43>> it's uh 2021, March of 2021.

19:48>> So we started using the

19:50>> we started using

19:51>> we started with a smaller amount and

19:53have rolled them out in phases.

19:55>> So both camera are being watching at the

19:58same time for the same group or or there

20:01are different people who take care and

20:04watch those camera. So

20:08cameras themselves are not being

20:10monitored by a single individual all day

20:13long. It doesn't operate that way. They

20:16are displayed for use. So just like

20:20anything else, you have a TV that's on

20:22right now. It's more beneficial that

20:24it's on versus you looking for that

20:26power button. So the display that we

20:28have in dispatch now in our new facility

20:30allows us a widescreen where everything

20:33is displayed. when a call does come in,

20:35any hot call, we can actually hover over

20:38that screen, expand it and see what's

20:41going on in real time. That's what that

20:43does. So the there there is there's got

20:46to be um again a cause for for us to

20:50view there where we we don't I don't

20:53think any well I shouldn't say uh that

20:56because I'll be speculating, but I would

20:57say that for the Lawrence Police

20:59Department, we don't have a single

21:01person watching cameras. We're

21:03reactionary in the sense and and and I

21:05sorry I didn't introduce myself for

21:07those that you know me. My name is Hal

21:08Rogers. I'm a captain at the Lawrence

21:09Police Department. I'm in charge of

21:11detectives. So from the primarily

21:15we're not proactive on the cameras,

21:16they're reactive. We get a report of a

21:18crime and then we look and see if there

21:19are any cameras in that area that may

21:20have captured the crime or something

21:23before or after. So we're not monitoring

21:25it. We're not zooming into cars. We're

21:28not zooming into homes. where simply

21:30they're out there when and if we need

21:32them. And we do need them. You know, we

21:34use them a lot because we're a very busy

21:36department. So, we're very reactionary

21:38with the cameras. We're not proactive.

21:40We're not we're not using them to track

21:43people, track cars, nothing. It's it's

21:46after the report of a crime, after the

21:48report of an incident. It's a very very

21:50useful tool for our follow-up

21:52investigation.

21:54>> And it's the evolution of uh how do you

21:56investigate, right? you're you go from a

21:59time where you were knocking on doors

22:00asking which we still do but to a

22:03capacity where it it accelerates the the

22:06search process. The more time that

22:08passes on a particular event uh the

22:10harder it gets. So and if we can bridge

22:13that gap this is where this technology

22:15uh comes in in hand

22:18>> through you manager floor

22:22>> all the camera are working right now

22:25>> we uh we h most I would have to say

22:28there's there are cameras out there due

22:30to uh maintenance that's going on in the

22:33city when it comes to uh polls and

22:36whatnot some cameras are down but for

22:38the most po part I can say almost 90%

22:40are up and and functional

22:42>> because I I know that there are so many

22:45city camera that are are not working.

22:48>> Yeah. If we're talking about city

22:49cameras, the ones that are uh the

22:51department is uh aware of because ISD

22:54has uh theirs um which it's all in the

22:58one but I can say 441 out of the 441

23:01that we currently are displaying there's

23:04probably less than 10% I would even say

23:0710%

23:09much less than that. Uh and again it's

23:11because there's our wear and tear on the

23:13cameras. They have to be replaced. We do

23:15have uh an amount budgeted for that. But

23:18then we're limited too because there's

23:19certain areas that require more

23:21maintenance than others. So we have to

23:23take all that into consideration. And I

23:26I will say I think um there there was a

23:29concern previously about the cameras

23:30being down for an extended period of

23:32time or the officers having issues

23:34accessing those cameras because um I

23:36know the the previous chief uh got a

23:40request for an update on on the status

23:42of them. And I can say that with the mo

23:45us with us moving to our new PD, we were

23:48able to um install new computer servers

23:51which was a huge issue with the cameras

23:53were not down. We just had difficulty

23:55accessing them in a useful manner at

23:57times and we were constantly working

23:59with the vendor. They were essentially

24:01hitting control altdelete all the time

24:03in order for the cameras to to work

24:05easily for us. But that's something that

24:07has been rectified. That's something

24:08that has been fixed with our move to the

24:11new PD. We have a new server, a new

24:13operating system that has made um

24:15reviewing the cameras um much more

24:17easier for everybody involved. and we

24:20just deal with the occasional camera

24:22that goes down as a result of an outage

24:24or whatnot in which we reach out to the

24:26vendor and they come right out and fix

24:28it. They're they're very very

24:30responsive.

24:32>> For how long do you keep like the

24:35recording of the camera?

24:37>> The cameras are the city cameras are

24:40accessible for 30 days. They are 30-day

24:42retention period. They have been our

24:44entire time. if we are investigating a

24:47crime and there is evidence on that

24:49camera that is preserved for trial. So

24:52there's two parts to your your question.

24:53So 30 days searchable after that we have

24:58no access to them. There is a small

25:00portion within the PD in evidence and in

25:03booking and and I'm just referring to

25:05that because it's I think it's important

25:08that those are retained for much longer

25:10for obvious reasons. There are things

25:12that may be reported to us that we need

25:14to investigate that is um uh they may be

25:17reported outside of the 30-day window,

25:19but anything public is 30 days.

25:22>> I just want to clarify that part alone

25:24is the inside of the the this is

25:26internal security for internal security.

25:28>> This is not external right here.

25:32[laughter]

25:34>> Right.

25:34>> And and and flock wondering about flock.

25:37Flock the the images that are retained

25:39by Flock are only retained for 30 days.

25:43They're only searchable for 30 days.

25:44Again, anything that we specifically

25:47save as a result of investigation would

25:49be saved through at least the

25:51prosecution through at least the case in

25:53court. And um our access into Flock is

25:57permanently retained. So that's why we

25:59were able to go back and do an audit on

26:01that complaint or that that that issue

26:03that was uh um brought up that was

26:06several years old. We were able to go

26:08back and we were able to vet that out

26:11and prove that was not the case. So we

26:14can't do a search more than 30 days, but

26:16we can look at our own access and see

26:19what we did, which is very important for

26:21the entire time we've had flock.

26:24>> Thank you.

26:25>> You're welcome.

26:25>> Through you, Madam Chair,

26:27>> councelor Gonzalez. Okay. So, um what I

26:30am understanding is that these are

26:32crimebased cameras that take still

26:36photos of license plates only.

26:39>> Flock. Yes. It's only the rear of the

26:41car. And I'll be specific about the rear

26:42of the car. LPR technology has evolved.

26:46Originally, it was only for the license

26:48plate, but the program has improved

26:50where now we can do make, model, color.

26:52You know, I can say I'm looking for a

26:54red Honda CRV with a bumper sticker, and

26:56it could help me. So it's only capturing

26:59a picture of the rear of the car.

27:01>> It definitely has evolved. I mean uh the

27:04the department did have a technology

27:06where it was mounted on top of the

27:07cruisers. We have gone away with that a

27:10long time ago. I think there's some

27:12confusion on that too. This is why we

27:14also re revisited our internal policy

27:16that reflects that as well.

27:18>> Uh they they are LPRs. Uh so gone are

27:22the days where they're mounted on cars.

27:25>> Okay. So there's no possible way that

27:27these uh flock cameras can capture um a

27:30driver's face or a pedestrian for any

27:34crime.

27:34>> So I would say no with a couple of

27:37exceptions. They are specifically angled

27:39on that side of the road. We have to

27:41have two cameras on each road to get

27:42north and south egress, let's say. Okay?

27:45If a car drives on the wrong side of the

27:47road, it's going to capture a picture of

27:49that driver. Okay? So it's not intended

27:51to do that, but I can't tell you what

27:53would never happen. And then I would

27:55also say it's not supposed to get

27:57pedestrians. However, I can talk about

27:59this. We just had a recent case where um

28:03it was taking the picture of the rear of

28:05the car, the license plate, while it was

28:07stopped and there was a pedestrian with

28:09a firearm in his hand crossing the back

28:11of the car and the city camera in the

28:14area didn't capture the person holding

28:16the gun. It just had the wrong angle.

28:18But because Flock was taking a picture

28:20of the plate at the exact moment he

28:22walked by it, it was able to p picture

28:25the gun. Now, we did not get his face,

28:27it was not good enough for an ID, but

28:29because of the other video and because

28:31of the investigation,

28:33>> that's just one piece of the puzzle that

28:35helped us, you know, properly charge the

28:37guy. So, not the intended purpose,

28:40>> but but a c certainly a uh positive

28:43result of a picture of a license plate.

28:46though.

28:46>> Um, still three.

28:48>> Are these cameras distributed equally

28:50throughout districts?

28:53>> Equally throughout districts. I think

28:54the best way I would say no.

28:56>> They're more targeted towards hotspots.

28:59>> Hotspots in major thorough ways. And

29:01without getting into locations, I'd

29:03rather not so that the public doesn't

29:05know where they are.

29:06>> Um, we are trying to capture the most

29:09amount of vehicular traffic as possible.

29:12>> Okay.

29:13>> And that's the best way to put it. major

29:15choke points, thorough thoroughways. Um,

29:18city cameras themselves, when we're

29:19talking about the actual video cameras,

29:21I think are pretty equally distributed

29:23throughout districts, but the flock,

29:25which is designed to catch traffic, it's

29:28on major thorough thorough affairs.

29:30>> Okay.

29:31>> Okay. Thank you.

29:32>> Okay. Councelor Reyes, do you have any

29:35questions

29:39>> through you, Madame Chair? I don't have

29:41question. Thank you so much.

29:43>> Okay. Um,

29:45so yeah, as I'm listening to you guys, I

29:48am reading and um I'm answering a lot of

29:51my own questions by reading this. Um, if

29:54you don't mind, however, cuz we did uh

29:57one of my questions was um the funding

30:00of these cameras and I do see that you

30:02guys touched on that and there was a

30:04conversation or question asked regarding

30:07potentially getting more cameras. So,

30:08I'm assuming that that um the budgeting

30:11for this is and I'm not sure if you have

30:13the answer for that. Um yes,

30:16>> and if any questions that we don't have

30:18for today, by all means, this is

30:19something that um I could see myself

30:22tableabling just so we could be properly

30:24informed by reading this and then bring

30:26this up at a later point in time. Um as

30:29far as uh new technology uh like the one

30:33we will be introduced with tomorrow uh

30:36is something that I don't think we can

30:39clearly say or give it an amount even

30:41because it's still has to go through the

30:43approval and also the demo phase and

30:46then negotiation starts after that. Um

30:49and whatever dollar amount may be

30:52associated with that we can we will be

30:54presenting that and we'll be asking

30:56obviously funding

30:57>> from wherever it may be suitable.

31:00>> Okay. If you don't mind me, I'm going to

31:02touch on because I know you you

31:04mentioned that 90% are functioning, but

31:07those that aren't like to me uh also as

31:11a counselor that's part of the budget

31:12committee, but primarily with public

31:14safety, I want to make sure that if

31:16we're spending money for 35 cameras to

31:19function, I'm expecting for all of them

31:21to be functioning. So, uh, how long have

31:26the the 10% that you

31:28>> I I think

31:29>> that are down, how long are they down

31:31for? And

31:31>> I'll touch base on that. It's it's more

31:34of a revolving total that I'm giving

31:36you. Not that they're constantly 10%

31:38down.

31:39>> No. And I know, but when when a camera

31:41is down,

31:42>> what is the process to for maintenance

31:44to come out and fix like for how long

31:46are they down for?

31:47>> And we do need to separate city cameras

31:49from FL if that's okay. So specifically

31:52Flock, I would say they are down a lot

31:55less often than than city cameras. I

31:57would say way less than 10%. I would say

31:59occasionally we have one or two down

32:01>> out of So we're talking maybe 3 to 5%.

32:05When that happens, they are they are

32:07monitoring. I don't have to discover it

32:09accidentally. I don't I don't have to

32:11have someone come to me and say, "Hey, I

32:13was trying to do a search. I had an

32:14investigation and it was down. I'm an

32:16admin. I'm getting alerts. I'm getting

32:18emails. Go check the power source on

32:20this. There are things that I I go out

32:22immediately. So, I'm getting an email

32:24whenever there's an issue. I'm going out

32:25there to see based on the trouble light

32:28whether or not it's a power issue,

32:30whether or not it's another issue. And

32:31if it's not a power issue, I'm reaching

32:33out to Flock and they are responsive.

32:35They are very responsive. They're

32:36getting out to me. I mean, I want to say

32:39a week, 10 days at the most one camera

32:41would be down. Um, and Lantel is out the

32:44next day in most cases.

32:46>> So, Flock Flock obviously is on a lease

32:48program. Yes. And because it's on a

32:50lease program, obviously service is

32:52rendered a lot quicker, okay?

32:54>> And they want, you know, their system to

32:56be back up and operational. And we make

32:58sure of that, too. Like the captain

32:59says, we do get the alerts. They let us

33:01know when they're coming in. But just

33:03like everything else, you there's an

33:04approval. It's not like they'll just

33:06[snorts] wall to the city and start

33:08working on it. They'll let us know that

33:09this is the issue going on with the

33:11particular location. They'll be coming

33:13out on this particular date. So, it may

33:15take a few days, but their turnaround is

33:17fairly quick. when we're talking about

33:19city cams, city cams is a little more uh

33:23particular because there's a process

33:25there too depending on what the issue

33:28is, the cost could be a little more and

33:30we have to also factor in now that we

33:32have a an agreement with Lantel. Uh it

33:35it benefits us. So we do have that

33:37service we did not have before where we

33:39were solely reliant on the budgetary

33:42amount that was given to us for that

33:43fiscal year. Now, we're stuck behind

33:45that amount unless we go in front and

33:47and get some more funding. But, uh, in

33:50the from the time that I've spent uh, in

33:52this uh, in this unit, it's been u, I

33:56would have to say there's a lot of

33:58moving parts when it comes to utilities

34:00also in this city which causes the delay

34:03most of the time

34:05>> and a lot of the issues that happen is

34:06because of that. uh just the um I would

34:10say um the communication in between jobs

34:14that are happening with utilities versus

34:16the technology that are there kind of

34:18conflict. So uh it it costs a little

34:21more too but I don't want to go down

34:23that path as far as it's it's a it's a

34:26hit or miss when we talk about that.

34:28>> No no it's giving me an idea that maybe

34:30we should we should be adding that as an

34:32item and under public safety which is

34:34the city cameras. So, it's like a whole

34:37it's a completely different item. So,

34:39we'll try not to intermingle what the uh

34:42what they are.

34:44>> Um I want to segue real quick. Um

34:47access. I'm reading it. Um however, I

34:51feel like the language could be vague as

34:54to who has access and this is the part

34:57where I mean it could be vague. Um

35:03so, can it says who may access Number

35:0513, it's like the officer in charge.

35:08It's like, well, how many officers are

35:10usually in char? Is this p is this uh on

35:13a given shift? And and it says and

35:16designates. So what does that mean and

35:18designates like

35:19>> so

35:20>> how many the officer in charge is

35:22obviously during the course of any shift

35:24there is one officer in charge which is

35:27the

35:29uh and design are anybody that's a user

35:32designated for that platform that have

35:34access right so you have a username and

35:36a password that'll give you access to

35:37the system so no outsider would have

35:40access to that other than those

35:41designates these are issued by number of

35:45personnel so there's not uh there's a

35:48set amount that can only access it to

35:50begin with. Um and then the overview

35:53from the OIC is the one that decides uh

35:56certain mitigating factors that would

35:58allow that information to flow outside.

36:01But if we stick to the your question as

36:04far as access goes, if I have 90

36:07licenses, they're associated with a

36:10specific user and a password. And those

36:12individuals that work because we have a

36:14rotation in dispatch, they could be

36:16working dispatch so they have access to

36:18that system. Um,

36:22>> okay.

36:23Cuz I'm I'm

36:26I'm a fan of you guys having the

36:29resources and tools. I think having

36:30cameras are great, especially when we're

36:33as a counselor and I'm getting

36:34complaints of like illegal dumping. It's

36:36like I love cameras that could capture

36:38who are the perpetrators. Um uh I think

36:41when it comes to flock though uh the

36:44biggest and not even flock it's many

36:45things like technology

36:48if it's not used for how it's supposed

36:50to be intended for is where it's driving

36:54the conversation to a place where we

36:56don't want to have. Um so that's why my

37:00concern is who has access and is there a

37:04tracking some sort of tracking mechanism

37:08as to

37:09>> whoever has uh the access

37:14>> okay let me see how I'm wording this

37:16>> like a log

37:17>> is there a log or some sort of tracking

37:18mechanisms as to what has been

37:22>> searched

37:22>> and and and I can talk about that so so

37:24[laughter] basically the people that

37:26have access are the officers in the

37:27police department. Okay, they they all

37:29have access and and again we're trying

37:31to focus on Flock. All right now, all

37:32officers have access to Flock. They have

37:35an individual a specific username and

37:38password. They are not shared. It is

37:40ultim multiffactor authentication. So

37:42they get the text on their phone when

37:44they [snorts] log in and they have to

37:45enter the code. So people aren't sharing

37:48loginins and and whatnot. So you have

37:50one person logging in. There is user

37:52logs. Okay. And that's what I was

37:55touched on earlier. The actual

37:57searchable pictures are only there for

37:5830 days, but these user logs never go

38:00away. We have permanent retention. So,

38:02if we get a complaint about somebody um

38:05inappropriately using Flock 5 years ago,

38:07we have the ability to go back 5 years

38:09and see if they conducted that search.

38:11>> The the type of information that's

38:13retained in the in these search logs are

38:16the person that's that's and I just went

38:18through this so I know pretty well. It's

38:20the person that's logged in. Okay, it's

38:23what they're entering for information.

38:24Are they entering in a plate? Are they

38:26entering in a make or a model or a color

38:30or a type of vehicle? What are they

38:32specifically looking for? What's the

38:34time frame they're looking for? What

38:35cameras are they looking at? Everything

38:38is tracked and everything is searchable

38:40by admins to see what they are doing.

38:42So, if we get a complaint, we can go

38:45back and look and see if it was used

38:46appropriately. In addition to that, I do

38:49monthly audits. We do an organizational

38:51audit where I look at it. Basically, all

38:54the searches that were conducted for the

38:55entire month go into a spreadsheet. It's

38:58a lot of information. I'm able to go

38:59through it. I'm able to um and it's a

39:02lot and I'm able to see whether or not

39:06there's anything that's jumping out at

39:08me. Okay. In addition to that, I find

39:09that very difficult and Flock found that

39:11was very difficult. Flock has issued um

39:14created a new thing called audit assist

39:17and they have something that immediately

39:20flags

39:22questionable searches. Okay. And what

39:26they do is I'm notified as the as the

39:28admin notified to look into this a

39:31little more. And a questionable search

39:33may be something like hey they um

39:36conducted they call narrow plate time

39:39frame. Okay. So they conducted a search

39:42for one plate or one vehicle type

39:44multiple times in a very very narrow

39:46period of time. Okay? Or the other thing

39:50is they're looking at one plate over a

39:52long period of time because most

39:54investigations, not all, but most

39:55investigations take place in a very

39:57short period of time, you know, days,

39:59maybe weeks. So they're like, why is an

40:00officer looking at this particular plate

40:02over a period of one or two months?

40:04Okay. So I'm alerted to it. I look into

40:07it. I inquire. I'm I'm there are other

40:09safeguards in place and I'm like, "Oh,

40:11this is part of this this type of

40:12investigation. This is a long-term drug

40:15investigation." So, where So, we're

40:17looking at this for this vehicle

40:19multiple times over a period of time or

40:21unrelated investigations. Believe it or

40:23not, the same vehicle could be used,

40:24could be a suspect motor vehicle in

40:26different crimes.

40:28So, one officer does a plate search for

40:31a vehicle this month and then a

40:33different officer does a plate search.

40:34I'm alerted to that and I look at that

40:36and I see that there's nothing wrong

40:38that there was no reason that there were

40:39two unrelated incidents. There are other

40:41safeguards in place that the officers

40:43have to put in. There are three things

40:45in minimum that they have to put in. One

40:47is a log number, a CAD number. That is a

40:49reports been assigned and they're

40:51putting that report number in the

40:52system. So it's an easy reference. Two

40:54is they're selecting a permissible

40:56reason. Okay, the permissible reason

40:58specula it breaks it down and says it's

41:01for a law enforcement reason. It's for

41:02this. It's based on reasonable

41:03suspicion. It's based on an Amber Alert.

41:05It's based on probable cause. It's based

41:07on these. They're they're scrolling

41:09through a drop down and they're clicking

41:10there. The other thing is offense type.

41:13So, our offense types, there's there's

41:14approximately there's 40ome offense

41:17types that we can um that they can click

41:20and there's no others. There's no

41:22generics and then there's obvious things

41:24that we don't allow for legal reasons.

41:25We don't allow them to collect um click

41:28offense type um for certain things. So,

41:32um, there are safeguards in place. The

41:34user logs are there forever. Um, we're

41:38able to look up and see what anybody is

41:40searching at any time for the entire

41:42time that we've had flock. So, the

41:43safeguards in place and we can also look

41:45backwards and it's right now everybody

41:49every sworn officer in the PD is a user.

41:52>> Okay.

41:53>> With specific

41:55>> user. Um, yeah,

41:56>> I promise to almost be done and this is

41:58like me not even reading all of it.

42:00>> [laughter]

42:00>> I can I can answer any questions you

42:02have.

42:03>> Um, have you So, how long have we been

42:07having the flocks for?

42:08>> So, we have had flocks since March of

42:102021.

42:11>> March of 20. And as of March of 2021

42:14till now, have you had to reprimand

42:17anybody? Has there been anything that

42:20based on some of your audits that

42:22something did jump out to you? Anything

42:25that needed to be addressed?

42:26>> Nothing. We the only thing we've had was

42:29this one incident.

42:30>> Yeah.

42:31>> From like Mthun

42:32>> from last month.

42:33>> Oh, that's it. Okay. All right.

42:35>> And that that's also been um mentioned

42:38in the report.

42:39>> Okay.

42:39>> It's our first one.

42:41>> Okay. And then my last question for now,

42:45I don't I don't make promises.

42:49Sharing information. And I'm I I saw

42:52briefly um sharing with the

42:56Massachusetts State Police. Is there any

42:58other agencies that you guys work with?

43:00Um and what exactly is being shared for

43:03what reason?

43:04>> Yes.

43:04>> Um

43:07specifically,

43:10I want to touch on are we helping other

43:13state agencies when it comes to

43:15immigration related cases?

43:18>> And that's what I wanted to touch on as

43:19well. So absolutely not, we will not and

43:23have not um cooperated with any sort of

43:25immigration investigation. That is a

43:27hard stop.

43:28>> It's also uh written in our policy.

43:31That's a hard no. We we also as far as

43:35uh the sharing goes, it's usually

43:38something that's more fluent, right? If

43:40you have

43:42a a neighboring agency that has, let's

43:45just say, a domestic, a rolling

43:47domestic, it's on its way to Lawrence.

43:49They're calling us. Hey, it's fleeing.

43:51It's coming down your way. Do you mind?

43:53That's when that would trigger the

43:55sharing of information, an active call.

43:59You know, it wouldn't be outside of

44:00that. We we sometimes get calls from

44:03agencies outside um that say, "Hey, we

44:06you know are we had an incident in our

44:08town and it drove south, we think into

44:10your town afterwards. We didn't get a

44:12plate, but this is a description or we

44:14got a partial plate. Can you can you

44:16look into this?"

44:18>> And again, if we do get that, we are

44:20sharing the image of the back of the

44:22vehicle and the time period. We're not

44:24giving any personal information. We're

44:26not then running that plate and then

44:27giving that other agency. I mean, they

44:28they they have the ability to run that

44:30on their own, but but we're not sharing

44:32personal information. There is no

44:33personal information in Flock. It's a

44:35picture of the back of the car. That's

44:36that's all that's being uh retained and

44:38all that's that's um that we're

44:40searching.

44:42>> Um as you're mentioning that, how does

44:44that help a case? So, it's like it just

44:47says yes, they they drove by Lawrence.

44:50So, so there's I I I could again I could

44:53go on forever and talk about how we use

44:55Flock, but I'll give you just that hit

44:57and run example. Let's say Mthuan, who

44:59which is a next door community,

45:02>> um no longer has Flock, has a hit and

45:04run and that vehicle was a good

45:06description, but they didn't get the

45:08license plate. They said it drove south

45:10on Lawrence. So now we are looking at a

45:12camera on Broadway in that time period

45:15for a vehicle with that description. And

45:16let's say I'll use my example of a

45:18bumper sticker, okay? very specific

45:20bumper sticker. Okay. We now get a still

45:22image of that. We now have the license

45:23plate. So, we give that license plate to

45:26them. They're able to run it and now

45:27that's their suspect motor vehicle and

45:28they're able to continue their

45:30investigation now that they have that

45:31information.

45:32>> Um, so it's not fair that we pay funding

45:35so other cities and towns that be taking

45:37away their flat cameras using our

45:39resources. Now, [laughter]

45:41>> and and and I understand that and that's

45:43may may or may not be a sensitive issue.

45:45I think cooperation um with law

45:47enforcement is very very important. I

45:49know

45:50>> and [laughter] and and I think that you

45:51know it was it benefits all of us um if

45:55we share appropriate information with

45:58other police departments when

45:59appropriate.

46:00>> Okay.

46:01>> Yeah. I mean I agree it's there's

46:02obviously a saying in in law enforcement

46:04a knowledge of one is a knowledge of

46:06all. Right. So we we are here uh when we

46:08come across this information it'll

46:10benefit. Granted

46:12>> I know.

46:12>> Yeah.

46:13>> But you know what I mean right? I I do.

46:15>> I But if there's a victim involved, it's

46:17about protecting all victims regardless

46:19of where they live. And and I'm I we

46:22believe strongly in the sharing of

46:24appropriate information with the

46:25appropriate people.

46:26>> No, I understand. And I appreciate the

46:29the information. Um I know I'm going to

46:33have to like sit with this and read up

46:35on it. Counselors, do you have any uh

46:38further questions considering the new

46:40information we just received? Thank

46:43you. Yeah, through you. I think that is

46:45a lot of question bar because we've got

46:47those paper you know practically at the

46:50moment that we getting here is uh still

46:54we have to read a little bit more.

46:56>> So I want to make a motion if and before

47:00you make your motion I want to make

47:02sure. So I you had three packets s um

47:06>> we I put it as one package. One is for

47:09city surveillance cameras.

47:12The second part is technology use and

47:16implementation.

47:21And the last one is license plate

47:24readers. So it's three separate packets,

47:27but I I decided to put it as one to be

47:30organized. And then this second package

47:32which is kind of like I would say what

47:35theou

47:36>> So those are responses to what was asked

47:38of us under the

47:40>> oh this was counselor

47:43>> L plants had questions

47:45>> um and this was the the response to

47:48those questions. So um and this is in

47:51regards to that ordinance item that's

47:53>> 9.25

47:55>> 9

47:56>> 9.25 5. Yes.

47:58>> And that's going to be heard on the 20th

48:00um of this month.

48:02>> It was just this is to give you a

48:04content of tonight. You know, as far as

48:07it's it's good that you have it now.

48:10>> No, no, I appreciate it. Council Rees,

48:12do you have any fur Do you have any

48:14questions before um we move on?

48:24Okay. Okay, I'll just wait for her to if

48:26she if she does decide I'm sure she'll

48:30un unmute herself. So,

48:33are you all set with questions? Okay.

48:35So, we can move on to like make a motion

48:37to table this item. That way we we have

48:40the ability to to read up on it.

48:43>> Motion to table item 412-26,

48:48Lawrence Police Department Flock Safety

48:50Cameras.

48:51>> Can I get a second? Second. Uh, madame

48:55clerk, could you please call the role?

48:58>> Councelor Roselie Gonzalez,

49:00>> yes.

49:01>> Councelor Selena Reyes,

49:04>> yes.

49:05>> Thank you. Councelor Anna Levy,

49:08>> yes.

49:08>> And Madame Chair, Vivian Marl,

49:10>> yes.

49:11>> Thank you. Motion carries. Motion

49:13carries. Uh the second item um it is

49:19item 41326

49:22with the Lawrence Police Department

49:23shooting statistics and public safety

49:25technology. Um was one of the packages

49:28that I mentioned part of the this item

49:31or all three was regarding the flock?

49:34>> It was it was regarding uh the

49:35surveillance and

49:38this was something that we weren't

49:39familiar with.

49:41>> Oh, you weren't? No, we we wanted to

49:43have a little content behind what uh

49:46>> uh what was being looked for.

49:50>> So, in the me um when the item was sent

49:54to to our city clerk to have it added on

49:57the agenda and then once it's on the

49:59agenda, it gets assigned to uh a

50:02committee for that item to be addressed.

50:05It was specifically to talk on um so it

50:08says specifically on the email

50:10requesting the Lawrence Police

50:12Department provide the public safety

50:14committee with updated shooting

50:16statistics and trends including the

50:18number and locations of incidents and

50:21discuss current and potential

50:22technologies being utilized to identify,

50:24deter, investigate and respond to

50:27gunrelated incidents. Um if you can if

50:31you're not ready for this prepared no

50:33that's fine. I would rather table and

50:36have you guys provide us with the data.

50:38>> Um

50:39>> I will say Flock and the city cameras

50:42are absolutely technology that we use to

50:44solve those those crimes. But um but

50:47that's all I'd be prepared to say

50:48tonight.

50:49>> No. And and that's that's great. So when

50:51we discuss this once again specifically

50:54with the city cameras, we're defin I I'm

50:57very data driven. Uh, I can't speak for

51:00everybody else, but when it comes to

51:01like the number, I'm going to be very I

51:04want to hear the numbers. Um, not 90% of

51:08them are functioning. I want to know how

51:09many we have and how many are down. And

51:12so, if we could get

51:13>> sure updated number when we go in front

51:16of you. Yes.

51:17>> And when it comes to incidents, um, are

51:20we able to

51:22have it uh, divided by district if

51:26possible? cuz I know each counselor is

51:28very like it takes takes it very

51:30personal and wanting to ensure what's

51:32happening in their district.

51:33>> I can talk to our crime analyst. Um I

51:36think that request has been made before

51:38and I forget what the answer was. We

51:40break it down by sector which is very

51:42similar to district but not exactly

51:45district lines but we absolutely could

51:47do we could do a

51:48>> when you say sector are you saying north

51:51south the Mount Vernon area like

51:53>> there's so the the mapping behind the

51:56technology is broken down by how we

51:59patrol. So

52:01>> when our when we so when that's set

52:04that's why it's not broken down in

52:05districts.

52:06That's fine. If it could be broken down,

52:08however, [laughter]

52:10>> and we'll figure it out.

52:11>> We can actually do a pin map.

52:13>> We'll figure it out.

52:14>> We absolutely I know we our analyst has

52:16technology to do a pin map

52:18>> and that would allow you it would be a

52:19map of the city of Lawrence with all the

52:21incidents and you guys would be able to,

52:23you know, look at it and say, well, this

52:25is my district. I just don't know that

52:26we would be able to give you a list by

52:28district line.

52:29>> And that's fine. I think that's fine.

52:31>> But we can give you the geographic

52:32location. That's that's easy. Yeah,

52:34that's easy.

52:34>> Yeah, we we definitely the whole point

52:36is understanding the hot spots of course

52:39of where these trends are happening and

52:41we'll we'll dive in a little bit deeper

52:45um for the next rodeo. I'll touch base

52:47with you guys. I'm not sure if you guys

52:48are going to be the design for LPD to

52:53continue to speak on this when we're

52:55ready to untab it.

52:56>> I don't know.

52:57>> I would have no problem being Yeah.

52:59being the person for flock and for

53:02>> So, I'll touch base with you guys to see

53:04whenever we're ready cuz I don't want to

53:06have this scheduled for a week or two

53:08and we're still not ready.

53:10>> Sure.

53:10>> Okay.

53:11>> All right. I'm looking for a motion to

53:13table.

53:13>> Motion to table.

53:15>> Can I get a second? Second. Uh, madame

53:17clerk, please call the role.

53:19>> Sure. Councelor Selena Reyes.

53:23>> Yes.

53:25>> Councelor Rosa Gonzalez.

53:27>> Yes.

53:27>> Councelor Anna Levy.

53:29>> Yes.

53:29>> Madame Chair V Maro.

53:31>> I vote yes.

53:31>> Thank you. Motion

53:32>> car. Carries. Um, so I'll see you guys

53:35next time.

53:36>> Thank you.

53:37>> Um, counselors, I'm look Madame Clerk.

53:40As a matter of fact, let me read this.

53:41It's item 41426,

53:43contractor and developer compliance with

53:45city ordinances and permit requirements.

53:48if we are able to send communication to

53:52ISD

53:53um specifically um Pat Ruiz and um I

54:00definitely want communication to be sent

54:02out to the building inspector Peter

54:04Blanchett to be here um for the next

54:08public safety meeting to speak uh in

54:11regards to this item.

54:14Um,

54:17counselors, can I get them? Well,

54:20>> yeah. Motion to table.

54:22>> Motion second.

54:23>> Okay. Madame clerk, please call the

54:25role.

54:27>> Councelor Rosio Gonzalez,

54:29>> yes.

54:30>> Councelor Selena Reyes,

54:32>> yes.

54:33>> Councelor Anna Levy,

54:35>> yes.

54:35>> And Madame Chair, Vivian Marmo,

54:37>> I vote yes.

54:39>> Thank you.

54:39>> Motion carries. Um, if there is no other

54:43items to be untou [laughter]

54:49and I got it. Okay, Madame Clair, please

54:51call the role.

54:52>> Councelor Selena Reyes.

54:54>> Yes.

54:55>> Councelor Rosal Gonzalez.

54:57>> Yes.

54:57>> Councelor Anna Levy.

54:59>> Yes.

54:59>> And Madame Chair and Vivian Mar.

55:01>> Yes. Thank you. [laughter]

55:07[laughter]

55:07>> Have a great day.

55:08>> No, I'm gonna take this with me that