2026-10-15 - License Commission

00:15We have today, the date is Thursday,

00:16October 15th, 2026.

00:19Calling to order the City of Brockton

00:20License Commission meeting located here

00:22at G&I Hall at Brockton City Hall

00:24located at 45 School Street. Tonight,

00:27I'm voting

00:28Commissioner Landholm,

00:29Commissioner [snorts] Barros,

00:31Commissioner Simpson, and

00:33the chair, myself, Scott Adelman.

00:36With that, a quorum has been

00:37established.

00:39Also, as part of this meeting, we have

00:40three experts to participate in the

00:42meeting.

00:43Captain Farrell from the Brockton Police

00:44Department, Deputy Chief Weeden from the

00:46Brockton Fire Department, and the Deputy

00:48Building Commissioner John Lefeivre from

00:50Inspectional Services.

00:51And our recording secretary is Sylvia

00:53Cabana.

00:55First item on the agenda are the License

00:57Commission housekeeping items.

00:59First item on the agenda are the review

01:00and acceptance of the regular License

01:02Commission meetings

01:03minutes

01:05for um September 17th, 2026. Make a

01:08motion there.

01:09And a second. All those in favor? All

01:12those opposed? So be it.

01:15Uh

01:16old business.

01:17We have no new business.

01:19Hearing on the request from Cape Verdean

01:21Association of Brockton for a special

01:23one-day permit to sell all alcoholic

01:25beverages for a fundraiser to be held at

01:271 Pine Bend Way on October 16th, 2026

01:31from 7:00 p.m. to 12:00 a.m. See

01:32applicant present.

01:34>> Yes.

01:36>> Step up, sir. Give us your name, your

01:38home address, and what you plan to do.

01:40>> Yes, my name is Louis Vasconcelos.

01:42The address is 27 Pearl Street,

01:44Brockton.

01:46Uh we need a

01:47one-day liquor license for a fundraiser

01:50for a church construction. The event is

01:52going to be at the Shaw's Center

01:55on

01:55October 16th

01:57from

01:588:00 to

02:0012:00 p.m.

02:01to 8:00 a.m.

02:02>> Okay.

02:04Is this something new, or is it was this

02:07brought before us before?

02:09Is this Is this the fundraiser for the

02:11church?

02:11>> Yes.

02:12>> Uh over at Gateway?

02:13>> Yes.

02:14>> Okay. They weren't before us before, I

02:15think.

02:17They were.

02:18>> I don't

02:19>> I don't know which one it is.

02:20>> I don't

02:21>> We did We did for different uh

02:23>> Yeah, it was a birthday

02:25>> It's the

02:26>> Yeah, yeah.

02:26>> It was the anniversary.

02:29>> Okay.

02:30So, um

02:32is this a open to the public, or is it a

02:34church

02:34>> Yes.

02:35>> Open to the public.

02:36>> Yes.

02:36>> All right.

02:38And so, I will say

02:40is anyone here like to speak in favor of

02:43this application?

02:45Anyone like to speak in opposition to

02:47this application?

02:49Any city official that would like to

02:50speak on the matter?

02:52Anyone have any questions about the

02:54>> That's more of a logistics question.

02:57>> That being said, I will now close that

02:59portion of the meeting.

03:01Like to hear from the police department.

03:02>> Uh no objections from police.

03:05>> Fire department?

03:06>> You going to have music during this

03:08party?

03:08>> Yes.

03:09>> Okay. So, um

03:10you will need to keep the volume

03:13at a a low enough level for the fire

03:14alarm to be heard,

03:16because the system does not

03:17automatically shut off when the fire

03:19alarm sounds.

03:19>> Okay.

03:20>> You also need to maintain a crowd

03:21manager.

03:22>> Yes.

03:22>> Are you familiar with what what that is?

03:24>> No.

03:25>> You need to get a crowd manager cert

03:26>> It's a different deal.

03:27>> If you go to mass.gov, the state

03:29website, search crowd manager, and

03:32there's an online course you can take

03:33that teaches you how to get a

03:34certification.

03:35>> Okay.

03:37>> So, other than that, no objections from

03:38fire.

03:39>> And what do we not have anybody here

03:40from the city of Andover with any

03:41questions?

03:42>> Where are you going to be getting your

03:43alcohol from?

03:44>> We got a delivery

03:45>> Um

03:46>> 315 North Main Street.

03:48>> Very good. Thank you.

03:50Does anybody have anything?

03:52>> Are you going to be serving that food?

03:54>> No.

03:55If you don't have

03:56liquor sold in your store, you can't

03:57have a full bar.

04:00You got 20 minutes.

04:02You can't serve anything that's not

04:05full of wash.

04:08Does anybody have anything? Do you want

04:10It's open to the public, right? Yes. How

04:12many people?

04:13>> Yes, between three and four.

04:16>> All right. Okay.

04:18That's what I'm saying.

04:19>> You're going to also need two private

04:21managers for that many people.

04:24>> Do you think

04:26one would be enough?

04:28>> Yeah, that's if there are any more

04:30security or whatever and

04:34We haven't We haven't had any issues

04:36with any of the past.

04:37>> The church funder is such.

04:39>> So, you have private security?

04:40>> Yes, we do.

04:42The ABC fire security.

04:45>> That being said, nobody else has

04:47anything?

04:48>> I make a motion to approve.

04:49>> Motion made,

04:50second, all those in favor? All those

04:52opposed? Good luck. Have a good night.

04:55>> Thank you.

04:56>> Next civilian on the request of Brockton

04:57Arts for a special one-day permit to

04:59sell wine and malt beverages for a Paint

05:01Night series to be held at 57 Green from

05:037:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. the following

05:05days.

05:07October 31st, November 28th, and

05:09December 26th. Is the applicant present?

05:12>> Yes.

05:13>> Give us your name and address for the

05:15record, Jeremy.

05:15>> Jeremy Marcellus, 38 Nelson Drive,

05:18Randolph, Massachusetts. I'm here on

05:20behalf of Brockton Arts. We're

05:22continuing our Paint Night series to end

05:24the year. We would like to get our

05:27proper beer and wine licenses

05:30for October, November, and December.

05:32And I had a conversation with Sylvia

05:34possibly next year we might be moving

05:36the events. I'm going to have these for

05:38the first six months

05:39over at Happy Belly's to bring in a

05:41crowd

05:42on the last Saturday of the month.

05:44And then we discussed over the research

05:46and development as far as the venues and

05:47that, but we're going to move on to

05:49another venue. forward with our business

05:50as a professional

05:52public green card.

05:53>> So, we might be doing that and then

05:55we'll figure out how we get the

05:56licenses.

05:57>> After the first year?

05:58>> After the first year. This is just the

05:59end of the end of this year. It's either

06:01wrap up this year as we're doing it and

06:03then we'll do it

06:04>> Make a motion to take

06:06item number two, three, four

06:09five collectively.

06:11All those in favor?

06:12All those opposed?

06:14Uh so, the first one the second one is a

06:17hearing on the request of Brockton Arts

06:18Inc. for a special one-day permit to

06:19sell wine and malt beverages for a movie

06:21night to be held at 57 Centre St. on

06:23October 17th from 6:00 p.m. to

06:266:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m.

06:28Number four is a hearing on the request

06:29of Brockton Arts Inc. for a special

06:31one-day permit to sell wine and malt

06:32beverages for an artist reception to be

06:34held at 57 Centre St. on October 24th

06:37from 6:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m.

06:39And a hearing on the request from

06:41Brockton Arts Inc. for a special one-day

06:42permit to sell wine and malt beverages

06:44for a catered decorating party to be

06:46held at 57 Centre St. on October 24th,

06:482026 from 1:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.

06:51>> Yes, so regarding those other events,

06:53the movie night, that's Rollies monthly

06:55movie night. It's a surprise movie. It's

06:57free, open to the public. We'd like to

06:59serve beer and wine at the event.

07:01We All of our events, we always have at

07:04least one crowd management

07:06one person who volunteers from our

07:08organization with a crowd management

07:09certification.

07:10And we have Now, we've been outsourcing

07:13the bar tending. So, hiring third-party

07:15vendors versus volunteers is something I

07:17>> And they're all TIPS certified?

07:19>> All TIPS certified, absolutely.

07:21>> And that being said,

07:24I close that portion of the hearing. And

07:25would anyone like to speak in favor of

07:26this application?

07:28Anyone like to speak in opposition?

07:31Any city official would like to speak on

07:32the matter?

07:34Anyone have any questions about the

07:36testimony that was just presented?

07:39I close that portion of the hearing.

07:41Any police department?

07:43>> No objections from police.

07:44>> From fire?

07:45>> No objections. Just have a problem with

07:46your name.

07:47>> Okay.

07:48Uh

07:49close that. I'll open it up to the

07:50commission for discussion, questions, or

07:51remarks.

07:52>> We have

07:54>> May I have a I have a concern I have a

07:56question. Um

07:58How many painting nights do you have?

08:00>> We have them once a month. We swap.

08:02>> How many movie nights do you have?

08:05>> Once a month.

08:05>> That's 24.

08:07You only have 30.

08:09>> Okay.

08:10Um

08:10>> I'm just thinking. So

08:12>> Can I just as you speak on that? For

08:13example, on the 24th we have an event.

08:16Uh we have as organization we have a

08:18artist reception. But we have someone

08:20who put uh East Side for private cake

08:23decorating party.

08:24So they want beer and wine license. We

08:27need a beer and wine license as well. So

08:29it would be better if we put it for just

08:31one license instead of two separate

08:32ones.

08:33And

08:34and also we do

08:37uh if there's ever an issue if we reach

08:39our cap, let's say. We have we have good

08:41relationships with other nonprofits in

08:42the future. I think we could say that we

08:43might get a license for this month.

08:46To go I have to close out this year or

08:47we going to get to next?

08:48>> See yeah and I

08:50Right now I'm

08:53Okay. The numbers and so

08:55if you go the rest of the year that'd be

08:5724.

08:58>> Okay.

08:59>> So I think you're going to run out of

09:0027.

09:02>> 20

09:03>> Yeah, the cake decorating party

09:06>> [snorts]

09:06>> uh

09:07which is in October and then you have

09:09the the one in November and December.

09:13So

09:14>> [clears throat]

09:15>> I'm I'm saying probably at 27.

09:19>> Okay. So I got to exceed 30.

09:20>> Yeah, you can't exceed 30.

09:21>> Okay.

09:22>> All right.

09:23No, it's 30. It's 30.

09:24>> Okay.

09:25>> Um the other thing you might consider is

09:27you know [snorts] I don't know if you

09:29can possibly but maybe you should

09:31consider getting a liquor license for

09:33yourself.

09:33>> We have a board meeting. It's on my

09:35agenda. We just going to send something

09:37in

09:37to you guys cuz we had like some brief

09:38conversations about is there a pathway

09:41for us to do that specifically just at

09:42Enzo cuz our main focus is that building

09:45ship. And essentially what we brought to

09:47the owner we don't want a bar or

09:48anything like that. Specifically rock

09:50and roll events and typically we do it

09:52Fridays, Saturdays and or Sundays.

09:55Be okay to serve from let's say 1:00

09:57p.m. to 10:00 p.m. at the latest, maybe

09:5911:00. But figure out if there's a

10:01pathway to do that but we'll do it.

10:02>> They're they're a function hall,

10:03correct?

10:04>> I'm not sure.

10:05>> Okay, that's good.

10:06>> We they we discussed this in the past

10:08and they have looked at it and it was if

10:09they got to the point where they were

10:10going to exceed

10:12their one day, that's when they were

10:13going to look into getting a license.

10:15>> Yeah, and and it gives a simple form

10:16online from the state [clears throat]

10:18and you fill it out, submit it to

10:20Sylvia,

10:21>> [snorts]

10:21>> pay the fee,

10:23takes like 6 weeks. As long as whoever's

10:25applying for the license doesn't isn't a

10:27convicted felon, they'll get the license

10:31and

10:32you know, we can give you a license

10:35from 11:00 in the morning till, you

10:37know,

10:382:00 in the morning if it was

10:39appropriate. I understand that.

10:41>> [laughter]

10:42>> But what I'm getting at is then you

10:43wouldn't have to spend that money to

10:45come back here.

10:47>> Yeah, yeah, I'm right there with you.

10:48We'll we'll we'll do it. We just

10:49>> What is it? 1,500 or 2,000?

10:52>> That is what it is if you want or what's

10:542,500 but till 2:00 a.m. it's 2,500

10:57bucks.

10:58>> So if you think about it, you're paying

11:00$100 every time you come here and if

11:02you've had 27, then that's $2,700.

11:05>> Now, we're right there with you. We just

11:06need

11:06>> And you're just going to have to get a

11:07liquor liability policy.

11:09>> Yep.

11:09>> I'm sure you have a liability policy

11:11there now. So if you had a slip and

11:12fall, what's the head doing?

11:14>> I would want to clear with uh Jonathan

11:15of course from the building, make sure

11:17we're on the same page but they are.

11:18>> Okay.

11:19>> We would need a supportive say a letter

11:21to say you're letting us do it.

11:23>> Yeah, no, I I I seriously think you

11:24should start thinking about that because

11:26this is

11:28this is getting expensive.

11:30>> It is and also too, not for nothing,

11:31just from an operational point of view,

11:33it's more convenient for us in terms of

11:34our programming and let people know what

11:36we can

11:36>> Yeah,

11:37and then you can have things and have

11:38whatever you want. You want to have a

11:39thing on a Wednesday night. So, if

11:40anyone wants to book something on a

11:41Wednesday night

11:43Is that allowed?

11:44>> All right. Just so you got to do this,

11:47you actually bring your one days before

11:49you apply.

11:51>> Thank you for that advice. You Someone

11:53else told me about that. Yeah.

11:54>> You apply for your license and then you

11:56decide you want to have an event, you

11:58can't apply for a one day.

11:59>> Yeah.

12:00Uh so, one of the local

12:01>> So, maybe you want to take some get uh

12:04dates [snorts] in January and in

12:05February.

12:06>> Mhm.

12:07>> Apply for your license by the end of the

12:08year.

12:09>> Okay.

12:10>> And then

12:11in the time it takes your license, you

12:13have some one days.

12:15But, you can't do it the other way

12:16around.

12:16>> Okay.

12:17>> All right.

12:17>> I'll just try to follow up with Sylvia

12:19regarding this thing.

12:20Okay, thank you.

12:21>> Yeah, you're welcome. Appreciate that.

12:23Um now, [snorts] commissioners, does

12:24anybody have anything?

12:27You don't have any problems with them?

12:28We'll be meeting in a while. A couple of

12:30thanks right around.

12:33Uh

12:34That's all. Further questions, can I get

12:36a motion on the items?

12:37>> I'll make a motion to approve.

12:38>> Second. All those in favor? All those

12:40opposed? You're all set. Good luck.

12:41>> Thank you.

12:42>> Thank you very much. Yeah, Sylvia's We

12:43talked to Sylvia. If you have any

12:45questions,

12:46Sylvia will get in touch with me. I can

12:47get in touch with you. I get your phone

12:48number.

12:48>> Absolutely.

12:49>> All right.

12:49>> Also, the event went very, very well. We

12:51had over 20 people got their

12:54power management certifications. Well,

12:56from what Mr. Tori told me, about 300

12:58people signed up for the program. So, no

13:00issues. Beautiful event. So, thank you

13:02guys very much. We'll be doing it again

13:03next year as well. We'll be putting that

13:05paper with my gentleman.

13:06>> Okay. Thank you. Great. Have a good

13:07night.

13:08Number six, hearing in the request from

13:10Friends and Mentors Inc. for a special

13:12one-day permit to sell wine and malt

13:14beverages for a fundraiser to be held at

13:151 Fineberg Way on October 30th, 2026

13:19from 8:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m. Asking for

13:21that.

13:21>> Yes, sir. I'm here.

13:22>> What? Name and address, home address for

13:24the record.

13:25>> Can you mark sir 29 Orchard Ave.

13:27Brooklyn, NY?

13:27>> And Mr. Vuccola, I want you to tell us

13:29about have going on?

13:30>> We're doing a

13:31fundraiser for the organization, a

13:33non-profit. It's going to be a Halloween

13:36event at the Schauer Center.

13:38It's at the Schauer Center.

13:40>> And 30 people, right? From 9:00 to 1:00

13:42in the morning.

13:44All right, with that being said, that's

13:46anything else? Like, where do you get

13:48your Where Where do you get your alcohol

13:50from?

13:51>> Racton is on

13:53Main Street, right?

13:55>> Um how many people you got to have?

13:57>> [snorts]

13:57>> We're hoping 200 people,

13:5950 to 200 people.

14:01>> What was that?

14:02portion of the meeting. Anyone like to

14:04speak in favor of the application?

14:07Anyone like to speak in opposition to

14:08this application?

14:10Any city official like to speak on the

14:11matter?

14:13Anyone have any questions about the

14:14testimony that was just presented?

14:17I'm going to close that portion of the

14:18meeting.

14:19From the police.

14:21>> I have no objections from the police.

14:24>> Fire.

14:25>> So, you will need to have a crowd

14:26manager with that many people. Are you

14:28familiar with what that is?

14:29>> Yes.

14:29>> Okay.

14:30Um and you need to keep the uh music at

14:32a reasonable level because the fire

14:34alarm does not shut off automatically.

14:35>> I'm sorry. The music does not shut off

14:37automatically. All right, I understand.

14:39>> And if you have any questions on the

14:41decibel level, you can contact the

14:42building department online.

14:44>> All right, sounds good.

14:45>> No objections. Do you have any food?

14:47>> Yes.

14:48>> So, you're going to have to get a food

14:49permit from the building department.

14:51>> Okay.

14:52>> All right, the inspectional services

14:54department. Who's that?

14:54>> You're going to work with the uh

14:56caterer. Do you have a caterer in mind?

14:58>> Yes, we have we have a caterer.

14:59>> And do they have the food Do they have a

15:01license?

15:01>> Yes.

15:02>> Yes.

15:03>> If they have a license, keep it handy.

15:05>> And they're still going to get a

15:07food permit to bring food into the

15:09the Schauer Center.

15:11Right? Yeah, they got to get a

15:13permission from the

15:15the

15:15inspectional services the service

15:17department.

15:17>> But there's no There's a kitchen there,

15:19but

15:20>> Yeah, there is a kitchen there, but

15:21they're not going to provide it.

15:22>> They're not using it.

15:22>> I don't think No, I don't think they're

15:24using it. No.

15:25>> that a separate building?

15:26>> Separate building department of

15:27inspectional services. You have to get a

15:28permit for that.

15:30Okay, with that being said, anything

15:32else you want

15:34Open it up commissioners for discussion

15:36and questions and ask for the

15:38>> The only I just saw

15:40is a condition for

15:42two details.

15:44>> Okay.

15:47>> They put the two details and security.

15:50>> The only thing I'll say is

15:52make sure you lock in that security

15:54because

15:56that one

15:57getting

15:58Yeah, it's also sweet you got Yeah,

16:00right. Oh, no, this is for Halloween

16:01Halloween nights.

16:03Yeah, it's 30.

16:05>> What night is it?

16:06>> Right, so it might

16:09You can you can get both, but if you

16:10can't make sure you get the security

16:12locked in.

16:12>> And security locked in. So we have five

16:14security guards.

16:15>> Open to the public? I checked it in

16:17what?

16:17>> It's open to but we we have two It seems

16:20we're going to hold it up.

16:22You know, it's all right.

16:24>> Okay.

16:25>> Once it gets to that number it just

16:27stops.

16:28>> All right.

16:28I don't know what the options are for

16:29the shots are.

16:32Well, I hope it's

16:33covers 400.

16:35>> No, yeah, I think there's different

16:36>> Yeah, I'm talking about the shots side

16:37and not the baseball stadium.

16:39>> I know that the last one was 400.

16:41>> Oh, it is 400.

16:42>> I think there's different like 200 300

16:45>> Yeah, there's different rooms for

16:46different levels.

16:47>> Right, they opened up the kitchen too.

16:50>> Don't quote me on this, but I want to

16:51say it's close to 1,000 if it's all the

16:52whole thing together.

16:53>> Okay.

16:54>> But George would have to yeah, give you

16:56the final

16:58>> Didn't you tell me at one point that

17:00there was an issue with the shot up?

17:04>> The music shot up.

17:04>> Right.

17:05>> Yeah, so we have to keep the music under

17:07a certain threshold.

17:08>> And George said they're looking working

17:10>> Yeah, that's what they want to do, but

17:12it's not there yet.

17:12>> Right, they don't have the money for it.

17:19All right.

17:24I would assume

17:25You not being asked no further questions

17:27comments can we get a motion on the

17:28floor?

17:29>> Um I just want to confirm

17:31You are you are going to apply? Yeah

17:34that's why I wanted to confirm. That's

17:36So they can they can have full out. Yes

17:38that's the only reason

17:39I'm pretty sure I

17:39>> Are they applying you're applying for

17:41one and one but you can't get a full out

17:43that way.

17:44Would you apply

17:45>> I applied for a full out already. So we

17:46so we have a sponsorship from Tito's.

17:48>> Yeah.

17:49>> This is all it's all a

17:50>> It's similar to the last event we had

17:51but

17:51>> Right.

17:52>> we did it through Brockton.

17:53>> Yeah and Tito did it for you last time.

17:56I make a motion to grant.

17:58>> Second.

17:58>> All those in favor?

17:59>> All those opposed?

18:00>> Good luck. Have a good event.

18:04Number four.

18:05Hearing on the request of Five Corner

18:06Auto Sales for a name change on a Class

18:08Two Used Car Dealer License at 369 Court

18:11Street in Brockton. Is the applicant

18:13present?

18:13>> Yes sir.

18:15>> Have a seat.

18:16Give us your name, home address, and

18:18what this is all about.

18:20>> Okay. My name is Enrique Hernandez.

18:22Place of business is on 369 Court

18:24Street.

18:24>> And your home address?

18:25>> Home address 84 Myrick Road.

18:26>> Brockton. And you were here

18:29a few months ago

18:30>> a year ago

18:30>> a year ago

18:31to change the name

18:33to something else.

18:35Now what do you want to go back

18:36>> And so

18:37I've been in business in the city of

18:38Brockton since 2007 which is the 365

18:40Court Street.

18:41And I I bought kind of

18:43369 Court from the people from Five

18:45Corner Auto Sales to Five Corner Auto

18:46Sales. I named that company in 2014.

18:48>> Right.

18:48>> So I I was in business all the way up to

18:50last year.

18:51Yeah

18:52so I was getting a little older and you

18:54know what uh

18:55we ran out of you know we ran the name

18:58of the business there for a long time

18:59and I had a I had a management company

19:00in there.

19:01So I went from Five Corner Auto Sales to

19:02doing business as Auto Select.

19:04I do not want to do business there

19:05because you keep on my property so I've

19:07been there so I want to go back to my

19:08[snorts] Five Corner Auto Sales and use

19:10the DBA.

19:11>> You still got to have license for the

19:12DBA.

19:13>> I'm not doing business under the name

19:15>> With that being said,

19:17anything else? Anyone like to say Anyone

19:19like to speak in favor of this

19:20application?

19:21Anyone like to speak in opposition to

19:23this application?

19:24Any city official like to speak on the

19:26matter?

19:27Anyone have any questions about the

19:28testimony that was just presented?

19:31Who was that fortunate to be?

19:33Now, I'd like to hear from the police

19:34department.

19:35>> No objections.

19:36>> From the fire department?

19:37>> No objections.

19:38>> Uh

19:39open it up to commissioner's for

19:40discussion and questions.

19:42>> Yes.

19:43>> So, just a name change.

19:46Can I get a motion?

19:47>> I'll make a motion to grant.

19:48>> Second.

19:48>> All those in favor? All those opposed?

19:50To grant. Good luck.

19:52>> Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

19:53Commissioners,

19:54thank you very much.

19:55>> So, number five, hearing on the question

19:57Legal Greens Inc. LLC for a name change

20:00on a retail [snorts] marijuana license

20:01at 75 Plainfield Street to Legal Greens

20:03Cultivation LLC.

20:06And they requested to put it on till

20:07November.

20:08>> I don't know why.

20:10>> They did it.

20:11>> They They changed the name name change,

20:14but they're going to have to go through

20:15the state and they're probably going to

20:16have to go through the city council in

20:18order for them to come before us. So, I

20:19don't know if they have

20:21>> And what's she been doing?

20:23>> She approached me.

20:24>> Yeah.

20:24>> I told you it's cultivation and she's

20:26going to have to have to change that and

20:29she's going to owe us money and she said

20:31she's not ready with the city, but she

20:33has a provisional license with the

20:34state. So, I got to speak to the law

20:36department. She called me this

20:37afternoon.

20:39>> I think we always talk on that one.

20:41>> So, we need a motion to

20:43>> Make a motion to to

20:44>> I'll make a motion to postpone this

20:45until

20:47my discussion with her.

20:49>> Motion has been made and seconded. All

20:50those in favor? All those opposed?

20:52Hearing on the number six, hearing on

20:54the question Tom Tom Restaurant LLC,

20:56doing business as Tom Tom Restaurant.

20:59Manager Raymond Labady make application

21:01for a wine and malt restaurant license

21:03at 21 Tory Street. Mr. Labady present.

21:06>> Present.

21:07>> Give us your name and your home address,

21:09please.

21:10>> Raymond Lombardi, 21 Tory Street.

21:12>> No, that's your business address.

21:15>> 15 Homer Lane, North Easton, Mass.

21:17>> Why don't you tell us what's going on

21:18because I looked back at a bunch of uh

21:21uh

21:23minutes, and this goes all the way back

21:25to 2024.

21:27>> Yeah, um so I was there before and we

21:30did get the [snorts] approval.

21:32But, I made a mistake with the on the

21:36abutter's list.

21:37>> Yeah.

21:37>> I just sent it regular mail instead of

21:39certified.

21:41And so Miss Sylvia actually had me do

21:43it. So, I'm here again. So.

21:45>> Yeah, it got

21:47I saw the publication in the Enterprise.

21:49>> Yes.

21:49>> So, that's been taken care of.

21:52Have you got the abutter's uh

21:54green cards back yet?

21:55>> I got them certified right now.

21:57>> You have them?

21:58>> Yes.

21:58>> Okay, great. We'll take them.

22:00So, that being said, anybody like to

22:02speak in favor?

22:04Anybody like to speak in opposition?

22:07Any city official like to speak on the

22:08matter?

22:10Anyone have any questions about the

22:11testimony that was presented?

22:13Close that portion of the hearing.

22:16Police?

22:17>> No objections from police.

22:18>> Fire?

22:19>> No objections from our department.

22:20Everything's done.

22:22>> Uh

22:23I'll open it up to the commissioners for

22:24discussion, questions, remarks.

22:26This has all been approved. It just was

22:28a

22:29a mix-up.

22:31>> So, there's a question on abutter uh

22:35I think it's the history waiting on a

22:37history waiting on the submittal.

22:38>> Yeah.

22:39>> Yeah.

22:40>> What what what address?

22:41>> The application needs to be notarized.

22:44And the application papers, were those

22:46there with you?

22:48>> Um the quarry right now.

22:49>> form. Right now they're in discussions,

22:51but they need he needs to fill it out

22:52and leave it with Sylvia. And we're

22:54going to the fire.

22:55>> Just the two of you?

22:56>> Just the notary. You can sign that with

22:57a notary.

22:58>> I have the quarry form here.

23:00I'll bring it to you.

23:01>> Or you can just scan it into me.

23:03>> Okay. I'll scan it here. But I did give

23:06you the uh citizenship paper, but I can

23:08give

23:08>> Yeah, I have those now.

23:10It's It's been going on so long that

23:12it's the same application you got.

23:14>> Right, but it's the one that was It

23:16started in 2024.

23:17>> Yes.

23:18>> And you could have taken away and

23:19checked it away.

23:20>> Checked it.

23:21>> Taken away.

23:22>> We

23:22We had to check what

23:25>> He just stared at you.

23:26>> Yes.

23:27>> All right.

23:29Open it up for you. Permission is for

23:30discussion questions. Not that

23:33any questions, comments.

23:35Anyone want to talk?

23:37Anything else?

23:39So make a motion to grant a permit and

23:40we have all

23:41proper documentation.

23:43>> Second.

23:43>> All in favor? All those opposed? So be

23:46it.

23:47Good luck.

23:48>> Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you.

23:50>> Hearing on the request of Juan Mariposa

23:51Mariposa Cedo regarding a violation that

23:54occurred on August 30th, 2026

23:59at 277 Main Street.

24:02Have a seat, sir.

24:06So give us your name and your home

24:07address, please.

24:08>> Juan Mariposa 177 Main Street Waterbury,

24:11Connecticut.

24:11>> You never came in to pick up your

24:13license.

24:14You never paid for your license, but you

24:16had the event.

24:18You just paid Sylvia the other day. She

24:21just got the the uh

24:24the check.

24:26And

24:29we made a recommendation last month.

24:32So first [snorts] of all, we You weren't

24:34here. You didn't come up from

24:36Connecticut.

24:37She still hadn't received the uh

24:39application.

24:41So

24:42we made a motion to

24:46no longer You can no longer have any

24:48one-day permits in Rockland.

24:51Because you had the event

24:53without [snorts] being licensed.

24:54>> Yeah. Um

24:56because for personal

24:58situation, I will be doing this event

25:01for many years and all my records show

25:04I'm good at personal requirement.

25:07>> Right, but when she asked you to send

25:08the check, you didn't send the check

25:10right away.

25:11>> Uh, for my

25:12>> And you didn't pick up the You didn't

25:14pick it up. You were here for the You

25:15were there?

25:17>> Yes, I was.

25:17>> Okay.

25:18>> I was here for the event.

25:19>> Uh, but you didn't come and pick it up,

25:20the [snorts] license, the license.

25:22>> What?

25:23>> And you didn't pay.

25:24>> I was here. Missing the

25:27uh, dates for when I pick it up and like

25:29a

25:30couple of minutes again.

25:31And I'm I was thinking of paying

25:34uh, sending the check in before I can

25:36pay to the

25:37fire marshal fire department I paid it

25:39before the event they sent me the the

25:42invoice how much I had paid before. I

25:45think we want to work it that way. And I

25:47told the police department after the

25:48total officer in San Jacinto sent me and

25:51after they sent me the bill. So, the

25:54issue for payment and it was uh, wait

25:56for after they get the bill

25:58for

25:59all this

26:01payments.

26:01>> Well,

26:02>> And I'm always doing this for many

26:04years. I'm the only person in charge but

26:06this year I have some

26:08personal

26:09>> But you were here for the event, so that

26:11means that that whatever was going on,

26:13you could have come here on that Friday

26:14and picked up the and paid.

26:15>> day the event was on Saturday and Sunday

26:18and I know it's

26:19it's it's it's no matter.

26:21>> No, I understand that. Okay, but you

26:22could have come

26:24the Friday before

26:26uh, the event, paid, and picked up the

26:27license. So, basically you had an event

26:29with no license.

26:31Which is a violation of state law.

26:33>> I thought they would we have a meeting

26:36uh, you know.

26:36>> No, you're going to pay. You can't

26:37[snorts] put a charge and get the

26:38groceries today and pay tomorrow.

26:41>> Yes, it was in but they didn't pay it

26:43out. They get approval like a back in

26:44the other day or the years. I think I

26:47get approval and

26:48I was

26:50once I send the check before the

26:52approval.

26:52>> We've already made the decision because

26:54you were not here to fight the case. We

26:57already made the decision last month to

26:59not allow you to have any more one-day

27:01permits in the city of Boston.

27:04That's a That's a privilege not a right.

27:06>> Well, that being said, does anybody here

27:07have anything?

27:09>> I mean, a year A year from now, if he

27:10comes back, we can reconsider it.

27:12>> I'm good. I'm good. I'm just I mean, I

27:14just want to get through the year. I'm

27:15not

27:16>> No, I understand that. I mean, if he

27:18comes back in the year, we can

27:19reconsider it.

27:20>> But, I mean

27:21>> I I just think having an event without

27:23the license, without paying, and without

27:25having a license,

27:26>> [snorts]

27:26>> I mean, we have witnesses that actually

27:28saw the event going on despite him not

27:31having a license.

27:32>> This Excuse me. This is all the license

27:34we applied for over the years, and they

27:36have it there.

27:36>> No, I I I understand that.

27:38>> It's not something that the common rule

27:40like That's not I'm not paying to get an

27:42event approved.

27:43Some mistakes happened on my personal

27:45level. I apologize for that, and that's

27:46my mistake.

27:48But, I would like to have consideration.

27:50>> It's just one

27:51>> Well, what I would say is

27:53the other factor that

27:55uh commissioner only did

27:58So, there was a stage itself that I

28:01don't believe was inspected based on

28:03>> what George had told us.

28:04>> Yes.

28:06So, yes, in the past you have

28:08for the most part

28:10we have gotten everything done

28:12accordingly, and you guys have

28:13accommodated, but

28:17We have a duty to protect the public,

28:19and so

28:21the stage there was there, but we don't

28:22know if it was done properly. We don't

28:24know if it was inspected.

28:25From the last meeting, it doesn't sound

28:26like it was inspected.

28:30>> When I put up the

28:31uh equipment up there, they

28:33they last sent the town state of Boston,

28:34and they didn't even show up to inspect

28:36the day.

28:37>> The problem is you can't ask for

28:39You pulled the permit for that?

28:40>> Yeah, I pulled the permit for for the

28:43>> staging

28:43>> for the

28:44and the previous event. So, we did the

28:45event.

28:46>> Yes.

28:47>> And um

28:49and when I called to the the people uh

28:51what did he tell us? He said, "You know

28:52what I said? Call the call the fire

28:53department." So, he said, "Okay."

28:54Whatever.

28:56>> So, why did you call Sylvia in the first

28:57place?

28:58>> Well,

28:59you know, they they have

29:02issues. That's usually what fire

29:04departments

29:04>> I checked there was no police or fire

29:05details, but he tried to give them.

29:10Nobody wanted to work.

29:11>> Yeah.

29:12Cuz I wanted to sit and talk to people

29:14over there.

29:15>> Did he have Did he get a 12-man permit?

29:19>> I have to look at it.

29:20>> I think I saw them come in, but I forgot

29:22to check the folder later.

29:23>> And the same way I talked to the fire

29:25department that this is not sure

29:26something because and the same people go

29:28because they don't know exactly how many

29:30hours we did it for in the beginning.

29:32So, otherwise we have a good

29:34relationship with the owner.

29:36Then

29:37I think we got to let everyone know we

29:39required about

29:40And the other thing in this case that

29:42since the event

29:43uh I was not in the building. So, we got

29:45a lot of courses to do.

29:47Let me talk to you for a minute.

29:48Let me talk to you. Uh American uh I

29:51don't understand what was

29:52>> Well, having a liquor license having a

29:53liquor license is a big responsibility

29:55and something that you need to

29:57take into consideration regards to

30:00doing what you got to do.

30:02>> I think that well, Jackson, I'm happy to

30:04go to the city of Huntington Beach.

30:06>> I'm doing one event a year. I'm not

30:07doing that.

30:08>> Have you done heavy lifting?

30:09>> That's what I'm saying, but

30:11>> So, in

30:112018

30:14>> 2018

30:15>> So, what? Eight years?

30:16>> Eight years.

30:18>> All right, any problems lately?

30:20I just

30:21>> Yeah, a few. We had They had Uh we Oh,

30:24yeah, we had problems for the last many

30:25years. Yeah, but they

30:27corrected every time every event they

30:30have it right. They they get better.

30:32>> Right.

30:32>> And like the other other other other

30:34future events we have

30:36some issues to fix about.

30:38Uh my future we have we have other

30:40events in the city. I'm going to do

30:41other events in the city, you know,

30:43seasons. She doesn't allow it.

30:54>> So, you you received the check?

30:57>> Yes.

31:00>> So, he has received the check. So, I

31:02mean

31:03>> So,

31:04>> my thought would be

31:07next year we won't see him until next

31:09year.

31:09>> Right.

31:10>> And they come before us

31:12because it's usually

31:14all the steps

31:15before he gets anything.

31:18>> Yeah.

31:23>> Yeah.

31:26Yeah. No, no. And that's why we have to

31:28come to plead your case.

31:30And uh

31:38Yeah. Yeah, we're going to make you pay.

31:40>> Before you get in court.

31:44>> Mike, bring a check with you. Give it to

31:46Sonia right away. She got it so she can

31:48mail it to you in the mail. One of

31:50Connecticut can pick it up.

31:52Email.

31:53All right. With that being said,

31:56anything else? All right. So, we just We

31:58just discussed it. We didn't vote on it.

32:02So, we'll just wait

32:04next year.

32:05Yeah.

32:06>> I would say with that

32:08the fact that you called for

32:11police and fire.

32:13Right. And I I have never

32:16>> [snorts]

32:16>> in in

32:17no board here has ever had anybody just

32:19want to know if they called for a police

32:21detail and they could not get one.

32:24That's like saying it's not going to

32:26rain tomorrow.

32:27All right.

32:28>> [snorts]

32:29>> We'll see you next year.

32:30All right. Good night.

32:32Hearing the request of the Alcoholic

32:34Beverages Commission of Florencio Lopez,

32:35who owns business at El Morro

32:37Street was found for a violation of city

32:39ordinance

32:39>> [snorts]

32:40>> 11-4 Mass General Law chapter 138

32:43section 64 [clears throat] on June 14th,

32:452026 at 581 Main Street.

32:49Is Florentino Lopez here?

32:50>> Yes.

32:51>> Okay. Please state your name and address

32:53for the record.

32:54>> Florentino Lopez

32:5596 Legion Parkway, Brockton,

32:57Massachusetts

32:57>> Okay.

32:59Um

33:00June 14th

33:03the city of Brockton um

33:05task force

33:07went to your property.

33:09It's 561 Main Street. 581 Main Street.

33:12>> May I ask

33:14the task force?

33:15>> Yes.

33:16>> Who is the task force?

33:17>> It was the fire department, the building

33:19department, the health department

33:21and the police department.

33:22>> No, sir.

33:24>> No?

33:24>> There was two people that came.

33:26It was Jim Doucette and someone from

33:28>> And and he and he he he is from the

33:31building department.

33:32>> Building department and the

33:33>> and the health department.

33:34>> Oh, I don't know

33:35>> Okay. The bottom line is we have

33:36pictures. So, let me just read this

33:39gentleman's name and

33:40>> Yes.

33:40>> She's Yeah.

33:42All right.

33:42This To be honest with you,

33:44there's no need for us to speak with

33:46you. You are not the manager. It's not

33:48your license that's in the process to

33:50potentially be suspended or revoked.

33:53It's his license and I've dealt with the

33:55state on this and they told me that

33:57until you are listed as the manager, you

33:59have no bearing on this on this meeting.

34:01>> Even though I'm the lessee?

34:03>> You are not listed as the manager.

34:05>> I understand [snorts] that.

34:06>> He is listed as the manager. If you want

34:08to have a management agreement with him,

34:10that you can do. And then if he wants to

34:12revoke it, he can revoke it. But you

34:13need to So, if this has been going on

34:15what, since 2021 you said?

34:17>> No, sir. It we opened in 2025. We

34:20started renovating in 2022.

34:22>> Did you file paperwork to do the

34:24renovations through the viral?

34:25>> [snorts]

34:26>> Yes.

34:26>> Okay.

34:27It's a small liquor.

34:29So,

34:30um

34:31charge one,

34:33sale service of alcoholic beverages

34:35outside the licensed premises.

34:38Uh, statutory authority, Mass. General

34:40Laws, chapter 138, section 2, 204 CML,

34:43permitting an illegality to happen on

34:46the

34:46You do not have a liquor license

34:50to serve alcohol out on the patio.

34:52That's number one.

34:54Uh,

34:55on June 4th,

34:56she, at approximately, I don't know what

34:59time it was, the license violated the

35:01agency, employees and managers did sell

35:03and serve

35:04allowed consumption of alcoholic

35:06beverages in outdoor area.

35:08Charge two,

35:09the illegal il- illegal operation

35:12expansion of

35:13description of premises.

35:15Mass. General Laws,

35:16>> [snorts]

35:17>> chapter 138, section 16A, 138, section

35:2023.

35:21The local licensing rules

35:26The licensee operated an outdoor patio

35:28space for commercial food and alcohol

35:30service without first submitting an

35:31application for an alteration of

35:33premises or obtaining the proper

35:35extension approval from the local

35:37licensing authority. That is us.

35:40Unauthorized use of common victualer's

35:42license.

35:43Statutory authority, Mass. General Laws,

35:45chapter 140, section 2.

35:48The licensee utilized his common

35:49victualer's license to serve prepared

35:51meals with [snorts] food items to

35:53patrons seated in the next year

35:54unlicensed patio area.

35:57Operated commercial food service outside

35:59the footprint of food under the

36:00municipal common victualer's

36:01designation.

36:04Number four,

36:06unauthorized use of entertainment

36:08license on unlicensed patio.

36:10Statutory authority, Mass. General Laws,

36:12chapter 140, 183A.

36:16Uh, the licensee permitted, posted, or

36:18conducted commercial entertainment,

36:20recorded music, live performance, or

36:21television monitors on exterior

36:23unlicensed patio space. The venue's

36:26entertainment license is restricted

36:27strictly to the indoor food area of

36:30assembly and utilizing the outside

36:32creates a public nuisance and a direct

36:34violation of local entertainment

36:36laws.

36:38Um

36:39So with that being said

36:41>> [snorts]

36:42>> uh

36:43it's

36:45Also it was brought to my attention by

36:47the ABCC some other things that have

36:49been going on.

36:51Um

36:52they asked me if I was going to deal

36:53with them and I said [snorts] I would

36:55deal with them tonight and I'm actually

36:57just letting you know about them.

36:59Um

37:01Complimentary drinks.

37:06Ladies free all night.

37:09Men $20 but nothing in charge of the

37:11ladies.

37:14Complimentary drinks.

37:17Ladies free till 10:30.

37:19That's discrimination. You've been

37:21warned [clears throat] about that

37:21before. You can't do that.

37:23>> This is all past. Nothing current. This

37:26is last year New Year's Eve.

37:28>> [snorts]

37:28>> Same flyer, same same night.

37:31>> Yeah, okay. Well, you did it. Okay.

37:32>> Same flyer, same night. And [snorts]

37:34there are

37:35many other venues that have the same

37:37ladies free before whatever.

37:39>> Yeah, guess what? They they are not

37:40>> And that was only for New Year's Eve.

37:41Complimentary drinks.

37:43>> [clears throat]

37:43>> Well, we get to be dealing with that.

37:44Okay?

37:45>> Okay. To have a complimentary drink for

37:47for VIP?

37:48>> It's against against the law.

37:51It's a violation of the happy hour law.

37:54That's right from the ABCC.

37:56It's his license that you are in

37:58potentially getting

38:00could potentially have taken away.

38:04And my recommendation and their

38:05recommendation is

38:07>> May we see [snorts] the pictures from

38:08June 14th that we didn't

38:10>> I don't have

38:10>> We didn't open June 14th.

38:12>> Yeah, you did. You have to stop about

38:13it.

38:14>> No No, we did not. So June 14th we we

38:17were closed They shut us down. Jim and

38:20the gentleman they They They shut you

38:22down. We weren't even open yet. We were

38:23just setting up. We weren't open. We

38:25weren't serving. It was all staff that

38:27was outside preparing. We did not open.

38:30We did not serve.

38:32>> I have pictures of the board and

38:34the

38:35>> On June 14th?

38:36>> Yes.

38:36>> No, sir.

38:37>> They were They were sub- submitted by

38:39the the health department. Yes, they

38:41were.

38:41>> Can you please provide them because we

38:42did not

38:44We did not We shut down. They shut us

38:46down.

38:47>> I know they shut you down because you

38:48were

38:48you were doing illegal activity.

38:50>> So, we were under the impression that we

38:52had obtained our alteration of premises

38:54on the May meeting.

38:58>> That's the report from Lieutenant

39:00Sweeney, correct?

39:00>> Yes.

39:01>> So,

39:02I mean

39:03>> What does the report say?

39:04>> [snorts]

39:05>> Lieutenant

39:08>> On Sunday, 14th June,

39:102020, Lieutenant Sweeney of the 44th

39:13Precinct

39:14and the Chief of the Inspectional

39:15Services Bureau responded

39:17and Joe Thompson of the Department of

39:19Health and Mental

39:20I was assigned to the board

39:22addressing code enforcement and

39:23licensing issues.

39:25During my duties,

39:27I was stopped outside 2400 Jerome Avenue

39:30with a complaint regarding loud music

39:31coming from the establishment.

39:33I moved from south of our location.

39:35Though I was unable to locate the music

39:37coming from our inside located

39:39I'm sorry. We were unable

39:41to locate the music coming from the

39:43Marsha Lounge located two blocks away at

39:45581

39:47East 188th

39:48I parked on Central Street and observed

39:50the back gate to the Marsha Lounge was

39:52open.

39:53Three pieces of caution tape were across

39:55the driveway.

39:57The music was very loud and there were

39:58many homes in close proximity to the

40:01Marsha Lounge.

40:02The volume of the music located close to

40:04watch television

40:06or be undisturbed in the neighboring

40:09homes.

40:10The three of us entered and found

40:11approximately 12 to 15 people

40:14in the outside patio area where there

40:16was a playing music,

40:19a bar open in a shipping container, and

40:21serving alcohol.

40:23A large outdoor television on a table

40:26set up.

40:27There was also a uniformed security

40:29guard at the main entrance to the patio

40:31area,

40:33right next to the main street parking

40:35lot side.

40:36There was no one stationed at the back

40:37emergency exit

40:39where we entered. I asked the DJ to shut

40:42off the music, which he did. I then

40:44asked him to get the owner or manager.

40:47We were told that the owner was off site

40:50getting more supplies, but would

40:51[snorts] be back in a few minutes. Her

40:53name was said I asked Spinola

40:56I think it says

40:58I asked

41:00>> Not really. It's not really

41:02Does it have a turn?

41:03>> Let me let me just finish.

41:05She arrived a few minutes later. She

41:07told us that she

41:09had called the fire chief George and

41:10Brendan,

41:12and that they did not have any issues

41:13with their permits.

41:15We confirmed that she met Judge DePina

41:17from the building department, and Deputy

41:20Chief Fire Chief Weeks from the fire

41:22department.

41:23Ms. Spinola did not have a permit or

41:26license issued by the city to conduct

41:29the outdoor activities.

41:31She told us that she was giving away

41:33food and not selling it.

41:35Mr. Doucette told

41:38me that the owner of these had applied

41:40for a permit or license for outdoor

41:42activities, but one did not get granted

41:44by the city.

41:45He called the chairman of the license

41:47commission on Monday

41:49while we were still on the property with

41:51the tenants.

41:52Mr. Doucette told Ms. Spinola that she

41:55can follow up with the proper offices at

41:57city hall on Monday morning.

42:00>> Time on there would be on the uh

42:02>> The owner or manager.

42:04>> You can do that for one second.

42:08First page.

42:09>> So, that Sunday we called it Children in

42:11Compton, and we were giving away

42:14kutsinta.

42:15That's We were giving away the food. We

42:17did not sell any food. We didn't even

42:19have We didn't have a chance to open. We

42:21were preparing to open, and we did not

42:23open that day. We did not serve any food

42:25or alcohol. We only had our [snorts] um

42:29employees there preparing. That's why

42:31there was no one in the back yet. The

42:33security guard just arrived on on scene.

42:35We did not serve anyone because we were

42:37not open yet, sir.

42:38>> So, we have a lieutenant from the police

42:41department that's lying.

42:43>> No, what he observed He said he observed

42:44people. Those were our people. Those

42:46were our employees setting up.

42:49>> Yeah, I I don't That's what he asked in

42:51the report. I don't

42:52>> [snorts]

42:53>> So, he he said he saw 10 to 15 people,

42:55whatever how many people. Those were our

42:57employees setting up.

42:59We did not We shut down immediately,

43:01moved everything indoors that day, on

43:04that Sunday, June 14th.

43:09It was called Chillin' in Compton.

43:11You go on our social media.

43:12>> want to

43:13continue this charade?

43:15>> There's no charade here.

43:16>> Okay, and make you come back next month,

43:18and I'll bring the pictures, okay, from

43:20from Jim Guset from the health

43:21department.

43:22I had a conversation [snorts] with a lot

43:23of departments, and I have a

43:24recommendation in regards to a penalty.

43:27Does anybody want to hear it?

43:30Tell me a roll back of your hours from 2

43:33to 12 for 2 months, starting November

43:361st.

43:39>> You want to shut down or just a roll

43:41back?

43:41>> A roll back. We're not shutting you

43:42down. I don't want to [snorts] take I

43:44don't want to take your license away

43:45[clears throat] because of her.

43:47>> I understand.

43:48>> Okay.

43:49So, we're going to roll back. So, my

43:50suggestion to you is either find

43:52[snorts] someone else to take over the

43:53business, or go fill out the same

43:55paperwork, and make her the manager, so

43:58that she can be responsible because

44:00right now she has to say to watch over

44:03the ABC's

44:04if something bad happens like this,

44:07okay?

44:08>> I understand.

44:10>> So,

44:10>> May I ask the question you just you just

44:12gave that gentleman grace

44:15for having his event without any

44:17license, and you can't do the same for

44:19me. It took me 4 years to

44:21>> Look at all the other Look at all the

44:22other things that are going on.

44:23>> What other things? Ev- Oh, so

44:25Brockton High School had one of these.

44:28Many other businesses does this. I

44:30stopped doing this as soon as you

44:31pointed it out. I had no clue. This has

44:34been going on since I was 14 years old.

44:36Ladies free before whatever. In every

44:38state, in every city, in

44:40in the US. Every Miami does it daily.

44:44>> That's Miami. That's not Brockton.

44:46>> Brockton, Massachusetts. Massachusetts

44:49people do it everywhere. Brockton, the

44:52[snorts] the high school had one. They

44:54did it. Ladies free before. I sent you

44:57the the the flyers from online, where

45:00you got these flyers from online, that

45:02they do it, too. I'm just asking for the

45:05same grace. It took us 4 years to open,

45:08and that we've been struggling to keep

45:10our doors open. We had zero business

45:13during summer.

45:15>> But,

45:16I could I could shut you down. I could

45:18suspend it, shut it down completely.

45:21Okay?

45:21>> Because [snorts] we made one mistake?

45:23>> Yeah, egregious mistake.

45:25>> Because I am new at this, and I was

45:28under the impression when you guys said

45:30I I was granted the alteration of

45:32premises, I ran with that. Okay?

45:37So, if I apologize for my mistake, can I

45:41>> Mr. owner,

45:42she she

45:43presented herself as the owner.

45:45Well, sorry.

45:50>> For Nos Moda Bazaar Corporation, I am.

45:53The owner of Nos Moda Bazaar

45:55Corporation.

45:55>> Okay, so why aren't you listed with the

45:57state as the manager? We shouldn't even

45:58be talking to you

45:59at all. The state already told me I

46:01shouldn't be talking to you.

46:02>> I'm the one who made the mistake.

46:04>> Yeah, on his license.

46:05>> I'm the one who made the mistake, that's

46:07why I'm here to to

46:08to

46:09stand up and say I'm sorry. I made a

46:11mistake.

46:13May I have some grace, please?

46:14>> Yes. I'm going to tell you what the Hold

46:16[snorts] on. I'm going to tell you what

46:17the grace is.

46:19I recommended 4 months suspension, and I

46:21worked it out with the law department. 2

46:23months suspension, November

46:26December.

46:28Okay.

46:28>> We We already have

46:30block parties booked, private parties

46:33booked, birthday parties. That's the

46:35only way we're surviving now is to book

46:37birthday parties and and things like

46:39that. We have We We book baby showers

46:43and bridal showers [clears throat] and

46:44things like that in order to stay open

46:46because

46:47it it's hard to keep a place like that

46:50afloat. My the the I'm the one who pays

46:54every insurance, every tax, every

46:55everything there. My insurance bill per

46:57month is $6,300.

47:03>> I finished. I finished.

47:04Unfortunately, after being discussed

47:06with the law department

47:07>> that, but we have part We have booked

47:09events in November and December.

47:12>> The December to December.

47:13>> I I just tell me you have to stop at 12.

47:16>> Instead of two.

47:17>> I mean, we could just We could take your

47:19license away.

47:21We could suspend your license for 2

47:23months or 4 months. Out of business

47:25completely. But I personally do not want

47:27to do that because I don't want to see

47:29the building empty.

47:32But that's what That's what this is

47:34is coming to.

47:35>> [clears throat]

47:35>> So, after working with the law

47:37department

47:38and I said 4 months, we decided down at

47:412 months for a rollback. [sighs]

47:43It's just a rollback from 2 to 12.

47:46>> Can we do it for December, January then

47:49or January, February because we have We

47:51already have

47:53We have events booked.

47:54>> If we had gotten this done before, it

47:57would have been July and August, okay?

48:00But we couldn't get the law department

48:02or we couldn't get you together. I I I

48:04don't know what the problem was. That's

48:05[snorts] why we're here now.

48:08The punishment needs to be swift and it

48:10needs to be quick.

48:11>> [snorts]

48:12>> Okay?

48:14No more of this craziness.

48:17>> You got to have a talk with her.

48:19>> You got to have a talk with her.

48:21>> Oh.

48:22>> Because it is your license that is in

48:24jeopardy, you know?

48:25>> I understand that.

48:28I've been in business over 30 years.

48:29>> I know. I know. I know.

48:31>> Yeah. I understand.

48:32>> I've been in that place many times. For

48:34many times.

48:36>> I remember you.

48:38>> So, with that being said,

48:40>> The suspension will be uh from November

48:421st.

48:43>> November 1st?

48:44>> I can't uh we can't uh ask for for

48:47another hearing on this or continuance.

48:50>> No, we continued it. Uh I don't

48:52>> This This is the first This is the first

48:55that you I we've been here for

48:57>> On On this. That's correct.

48:59>> Yes. On this. This is the first time

49:01we've been here on this.

49:03So, can we have a continuance?

49:06>> For what?

49:08>> Well, I think she wants a continuance so

49:09she has

49:11>> Yeah. You're going to have a baby shower

49:12till 2:00 in the morning?

49:14>> It's a 70th birthday party for It's It's

49:17It's a 70th birthday party and they

49:20wanted to use the restaurant and the

49:22nightclub and they have a band

49:25and they have a DJ.

49:27They've already paid half the deposit.

49:29>> And what are you doing with the the

49:30club?

49:31>> They're

49:32They are going They were going from 8:00

49:34to 8:00 p.m. They're having dinner 8:00

49:37p.m. to 10:00 p.m. and then 10:00 to

49:392:00 upstairs

49:41in the club.

49:42>> I'm not I'm not I'm personally not going

49:44to punish. I've worked this out with the

49:45law department. I'm sorry.

49:47>> Can we do that?

49:48November 21st.

49:51>> Okay. So, we'll give her November 21st.

49:54>> Can we

49:54We'll give her November 21st and

49:58she can't have anything on January 1st.

50:00>> So you you're giving

50:01>> We're going to give give you a rollback

50:03for every night of the week for every

50:05every night

50:06>> And we can do this on on January 2nd

50:08instead of January 1st.

50:09>> Right. We Yeah.

50:10>> So you can if we if you open at 2:00

50:14p.m. on on November 21st instead of this

50:17rollback ending on January 1st, it will

50:19be at that time.

50:20>> If we're going to do I I would suggest

50:23that if we go on this route that we

50:25start at December and through January

50:281st picking one day here and there.

50:32I just feel like we're getting in the

50:34area where it's getting gray and we're

50:38>> Why can we

50:40I know that she's struggling and this is

50:43the first time that

50:43>> No, I understand and I understand that.

50:45>> This is the first time that she's going

50:47through this.

50:49Uh restaurant business. She she got the

50:51She has a business degree but on the

50:53right hand side in the first time that

50:54she's going through

50:56Why can we just give her an opportunity

50:58to

51:01let November

51:03November New Year's ending this

51:07issue that she's having. Let's see how

51:09she does and then let's close the like

51:11on January 1st, January 2nd up to March

51:141st.

51:15>> I mean

51:17So

51:19I know the phones have been ringing off

51:21the hook

51:22regarding this whole situation.

51:25Um my phone's been ringing off the hook

51:27on a daily basis with a with a lot of

51:29problems.

51:31And this is what we came up with.

51:32>> Sir, and I and I was telling you again,

51:35we did not open that [clears throat]

51:37day. We moved everything inside

51:40that day. We did not open outside that

51:43day.

51:46We There

51:47>> there we were there were there were

51:48people setting up outside.

51:50>> So,

51:50you shouldn't

51:51you shouldn't

51:52set it up at all because you did not

51:54have a permit.

51:54>> Okay, but I was under the impression,

51:56again,

51:58that we that day May, if I if I'm not

52:02mistaken, I asked for the minutes for

52:03May

52:05because we were granted an alteration of

52:07premises

52:09in May. Am I not correct?

52:12>> it. It has to go to Boston to be

52:14approved. We all approved it. We

52:15accepted it.

52:17We I've told you that before. And I told

52:19you that was the same with the liquor

52:20license. We accepted it.

52:23>> So, it didn't say granted that day?

52:26>> No.

52:27We granted it. We granted it. We

52:29accepted it. It's got to be approved by

52:31ABCC in Boston. ABCC in Boston is well

52:34aware of this whole situation. And after

52:37I discussed the whole thing with them,

52:39they recommended that I suspend the

52:40license. But we are the board for

52:43Brockton and we have decided to not

52:45punish you that bad and just get you

52:48rolled back by 2 months from 2 to 12.

52:52>> Even though I did not open outside that

52:54day.

52:56I did not

52:56>> I got a police lieutenant seeing a

52:58violation.

53:00>> I shut it right when they told me to

53:02shut it up.

53:02>> set your bar up outside.

53:04>> Yes, we did. We started to.

53:06>> you had yourself you were setting up

53:07outside your the premises.

53:09>> Yes, we did.

53:10>> was not supposed to be outside the

53:11premises.

53:12And with the grace. So, you've been

53:15before us before for one of these.

53:17>> Yes.

53:18>> After this after this occurred.

53:20>> Yes.

53:20>> I personally asked is there any

53:22violations when the special services

53:25were in here.

53:26They said, "No, not since that

53:27happened." And we voted in your favor to

53:29give you 10 days to accommodate you for

53:32the outside stairs.

53:33So, we are trying to work with you.

53:35>> [snorts]

53:35>> At the same time, as chairman is saying,

53:39we could pull your license right now.

53:42Instead of going to that level,

53:45recommendation is roll it back for 2

53:47months.

53:49Get everything worked out,

53:51and then you can come back and you can

53:52come back to court in 2 months. You can

53:54see what they give you back here in the

53:56office.

53:57>> And the other thing to just

53:59this is a state crime.

54:01Okay? We're not [snorts] going to

54:02prosecute you criminally. We would

54:04prosecute you with criminal intent,

54:06we're not going to. We're going to

54:07handle it at a board.

54:09After we discussed with Boston, they

54:11said this is the best opportunity to

54:14keep your kid in the program.

54:16They told me they would address that

54:17stuff. Yes, you did it, but I have to

54:20address it. That way there I can appease

54:22Boston, okay? Not [snorts] sanctioning

54:24you for that, I'm just adding that to

54:27the mix. Okay?

54:29So, that's my suggestion for them. 2

54:31months

54:32um

54:34from 12:00 to 2:00, roll back for 2

54:37months from November 1st to December

54:3931st. No day in between, nothing.

54:42[snorts] 2 months, end of story.

54:44>> Do you know what happens in the

54:44following 2 months

54:48>> Yes.

54:55What's that?

54:57>> Does she have to come in front of us to

54:59>> She's got to bring the

55:01She's got to bring the He has to bring

55:02the license. Sylvia physically take it

55:05off the wall, bring it to Sylvia.

55:08>> She needs to get the time.

55:08>> Get the changed license with the hours

55:11on it. When the penalty is phases over,

55:14you come back to Sylvia, she'll issue

55:16you a new license. But then, it'll be

55:182027, so the license will be printed

55:21appropriately for 2:00.

55:23>> Mhm.

55:24Does she need to be to come before you

55:26guys?

55:27>> No.

55:28No, at the end at the at January 1st

55:31at midnight

55:33it's it's off.

55:35So, there's no New Year's Eve party cuz

55:37at midnight, that's it. Okay?

55:40Your license just goes back to where it

55:41came from.

55:43You'll get a new license as long as you

55:44pay

55:45your certificate of inspection, your

55:47liquor liability insurance,

55:50and

55:51What else?

55:53Well, workers comp

55:54uh paperwork. Just show that you'll

55:56you'll get your 2027 license.

55:59>> Which all those things are under my

56:00name.

56:01>> It should be.

56:02>> Well, it's under my name.

56:03>> What? You you

56:04you still haven't complied with the

56:06request of the ABCC to let us use the

56:09manager.

56:10>> And that doesn't take long.

56:11>> It takes 5 minutes online. $200.

56:14>> And it comes back quick.

56:16>> And then the other thing is there's a I

56:18mean, if you have a management agreement

56:20with her,

56:21>> [snorts]

56:21>> and if she's going to manage it for you,

56:24and you don't like the way she's running

56:25the place,

56:27you go back online, you take her

56:29management rights away, she's no longer

56:31the manager. She shouldn't even be

56:32dealing with this board. She has no

56:35right legally to be before this board

56:37asking it for one day, extending another

56:40liquor license, or anything.

56:42>> So, I think we're going to apply for

56:44that.

56:45Anyways.

56:46>> So, can I get a motion on Go ahead.

56:48>> So, [snorts] we're going to do two

56:49months. Two months.

56:50>> No in between, no cut off in the days.

56:52In December 1st to January

56:54>> I'm going to lose that money for that

56:55for that party. They're going to go

56:56somewhere else. That was 150 people

57:00for a 70th birthday party.

57:03And that's going to that's going to

57:06>> Can I get a motion?

57:08>> I know you've been working

57:10>> Hey, I've been working on this

57:11since June. Since the afternoon of June

57:1414th.

57:16And nobody really knew

57:17>> [clears throat]

57:17>> anything about what was really going on

57:19until

57:20>> [snorts]

57:20>> it just got disclosed.

57:23So,

57:24I mean, we we just talked about giving

57:26her that one day and then taking it

57:28January.

57:29>> The 17th.

57:31>> That's that's

57:31>> I'm I'm not I'm not opposing

57:34to push anyone out.

57:37The whole thing?

57:38>> No, no, no. So, that way

57:40they don't have to cancel it.

57:42Sorry, December.

57:44Then we

57:45still have December 1st to January 31st.

57:48>> Yeah.

57:50>> No.

57:51December 1st to January

57:53>> I mean, then they're giving up

57:55I mean, they're still giving up

57:56Christmas and New Year's.

57:57>> It's the same amount of time, but

57:59they don't have to go

58:00>> refund, but then they're

58:01giving up prime time in January.

58:04>> And you said we have to have the

58:06>> Yeah, I mean, if that's that's the only

58:08thing that's hanging this up

58:10>> Yeah, December 1st

58:11>> December 1st through January 31st.

58:15That would be good.

58:16That would be good, two months.

58:18>> Yeah, good.

58:19>> Well, it's the same

58:20>> December 1st through January 31st.

58:22>> And then we're giving you 7:00 in the

58:23morning till 2:00 a.m. So, under those

58:26hours, I'll be open till 2:00 a.m.

58:28>> And I appreciate that.

58:30>> Yeah.

58:30>> I appreciate that.

58:32>> So, I'll make

58:34>> [clears throat]

58:34>> and let's hope there's no more problems.

58:35I'm going to add to All right.

58:40So,

58:41just so both of you know, I'm going to

58:43make a motion that we're going to vote

58:44on it.

58:45I'm going to add to this motion that

58:47there's any incidents during that time

58:50it's going to be rolled back immediately

58:52like that time.

58:53>> As of that day.

58:55>> And then you can come back and close.

58:59And that being said, make that free off

59:01the table by 11:30.

59:03Everybody out, doors locked at 12:00.

59:07And I will ask

59:09midnight to 8:00 shift to keep their eye

59:11on it.

59:12If you have any problems there

59:13whatsoever,

59:15it's going to be an automatic roll back

59:16as of that day. Take the licenses off

59:19the wall

59:20at the end of November or April 1st, so

59:21that you don't issue a new license

59:25till the end of 2026. [clears throat]

59:29When you apply for a new 2027 license

59:32and when you pick that up in January,

59:35they'll have that

59:37full-time staff on there.

59:39Yeah, so you're going to have to do it

59:41twice.

59:42>> Because of the

59:47>> I mean, if we took the license away

59:48completely,

59:51you're going to have an empty building.

59:54No, absolutely not. We wouldn't want to

59:56do that.

1:00:11And there's no no use of the patio. You

1:00:14know that [snorts] whole situation.

1:00:15Probably won't be out there when it

1:00:16snows anyway, so

1:00:20You can keep it if you like. They're all

1:00:22online.

1:00:23Ask Jeff, he'll show you.

1:00:27Yeah.

1:00:28So, we got [snorts] a motion. I'll I'll

1:00:29make a motion

1:00:32to roll back

1:00:34the hours from 2:00 to 12:00 rather than

1:00:36give them

1:00:37>> December 1st to January 31st, December

1:00:402027.

1:00:43And in the event that there is an

1:00:44incident

1:00:46prior to [snorts]

1:00:48November 1st or during that time period,

1:00:52roll back will start immediately

1:00:54and they'll come back before us.

1:00:58>> Can I get a second?

1:01:00>> Second.

1:01:01>> All those in favor?

1:01:04All those opposed?

1:01:06And that's it.

1:01:07>> Thank you, gentlemen.

1:01:08>> Thank you.

1:01:10Here we go. On the request of Rockland

1:01:11License Commission to Licensees in

1:01:13violation of Rockland License Commission

1:01:15rules and regulations as it pertains to

1:01:17the front-facing windows of this

1:01:19establishment being covered. Number one,

1:01:22Anne's Palace.

1:01:25275-277

1:01:26Main Street, Brockton, Mass. Number two,

1:01:29Westgate AP Investment LLC, doing

1:01:31business as Westgate Entertainment, 65

1:01:33Westgate Drive.

1:01:34>> [snorts]

1:01:34>> Number three, Chamber Way Incorporated,

1:01:36252-260 Main Street, Brockton, Mass. And

1:01:40July Friends Lounge doing business as

1:01:43[snorts] Fregados Island Restaurant, 250

1:01:45Main Street.

1:01:46If you're all here, step up.

1:01:48So, you are from

1:01:49>> [snorts]

1:01:50>> Fregados Island.

1:01:51>> You No, number four. You got a name and

1:01:53name and address for the record, your

1:01:54home address?

1:01:55>> You know, the silver four family house

1:01:58on Westgate, summer set.

1:01:58>> Okay. And you are

1:02:00>> Uh Chris Machado, 15 Holden Drive,

1:02:02Canton, Mass.

1:02:03>> Okay. So, [snorts] I'll tell you that we

1:02:05received a call

1:02:06>> What establishment are you from?

1:02:07>> You're number four, we are

1:02:09>> Um we're Canton Bowl.

1:02:10>> Okay.

1:02:11And he's Fregados.

1:02:14>> Thank you.

1:02:15>> I got a call from Westgate. Westgate

1:02:17will have the

1:02:19violation corrected before next month's

1:02:21meeting.

1:02:23And Anne's Palace,

1:02:25I said the owner The manager could not

1:02:27be here. She come over and I said,

1:02:29"Absolutely not. You have sold the

1:02:31tickets

1:02:32taped up the window.

1:02:34Come back before us next month if it's

1:02:36not corrected. We will not be renewing

1:02:37your license for 2027."

1:02:40So, basically, guys, all I'm giving you

1:02:41is a copy of the state law and a copy of

1:02:44the city ordinance regarding

1:02:46>> [snorts]

1:02:46>> the covering of your windows.

1:02:49Okay? You've been warned in the past.

1:02:52This is You're not being sanctioned.

1:02:54You're being warned, you're being told,

1:02:56and you You have to correct it before

1:02:59November of next uh

1:03:00next month,

1:03:02and we will check on it.

1:03:04You have the curtains, you pull them

1:03:05during the daytime.

1:03:07>> [snorts]

1:03:07>> Uh

1:03:08The law is pretty simple. It's a state

1:03:10law, it's also a license commission law.

1:03:12No more.

1:03:13>> [snorts]

1:03:14>> You have the the window tint on the

1:03:16windows?

1:03:16>> No.

1:03:17>> You took it out of the back.

1:03:19>> My windows is a IP [snorts] 35 in

1:03:2135,000 for that glass.

1:03:23>> Guess what? It's illegal.

1:03:25>> Um I never knew about that.

1:03:27>> You You were given copies

1:03:29>> And then they see something.

1:03:29>> Yep.

1:03:30>> Um

1:03:31The building department

1:03:33the fire department

1:03:34the board of health went here when you

1:03:36were dealing with the fire stuff of the

1:03:37building.

1:03:38>> Yes.

1:03:39>> Yes, 35,000 so why I put the

1:03:43dark glass.

1:03:45I had a three-time problem

1:03:48inside the restaurant

1:03:50because wife pass by

1:03:53they see husband with the

1:03:55girlfriend whatever

1:03:57inside the restaurant. They throw it on

1:04:00spike.

1:04:00>> Okay. So I'll tell you the reason this

1:04:02time.

1:04:04>> One guy was inside drinking.

1:04:07His boy whatever his enemy pass by

1:04:09seeing him there.

1:04:11Problem. And the other thing the sun

1:04:14reflects right in [snorts] my cash

1:04:15registers in there

1:04:18and my customers be like

1:04:20talking oh, you got to cover this thing.

1:04:23Before we renew the the the fire stuff

1:04:25of the building.

1:04:27And that's how I'm losing clients so

1:04:29cuz everybody start walking away because

1:04:31the glass was clear. You can see like

1:04:34everybody inside.

1:04:36Then I

1:04:37before I

1:04:39do the fire stuff I

1:04:40questioned the

1:04:41the building department. I asked them if

1:04:43I can go to the building department.

1:04:44>> No, I I told you I asked them.

1:04:47>> For the privacy this is a restaurant.

1:04:50They got a lot of restaurant in the lot

1:04:51of blocks. It's a brick building. You

1:04:53can't see through none at all.

1:04:54>> Yep, that's because of the window 5 ft.

1:04:57>> Yeah, mine you can't see through the

1:04:59restaurant. On the daytime you can see

1:05:02because of the sun reflected the window.

1:05:05But at nighttime

1:05:07you can see everything. Even paying me

1:05:09if you see me on top of the TV you can

1:05:11see it.

1:05:13>> No, I didn't see

1:05:13>> And I told you sir

1:05:15I already called Scott. [snorts]

1:05:18It's not Scott. They tried to

1:05:20remove that thing again. Right now you

1:05:23have to pay me back $35,000.

1:05:25Cuz the thing was was big

1:05:28They would put that thing last year.

1:05:30Right now you going to probably going to

1:05:31be 48 45 to 48 thousand dollars. Where

1:05:34does the money come from?

1:05:36Business license.

1:05:37Is it time you going to renew the

1:05:38license? Is it time you going to

1:05:41pay for the insurance?

1:05:42The insurance is not cheap right now.

1:05:44I've been paying $26,000 for insurance

1:05:47on the small spot over there.

1:05:50And

1:05:51and we got more business in Brooklyn.

1:05:55And now you're going to affect me is not

1:05:57affect me because I'm going to

1:05:59knock down the the front of the building

1:06:01again. This is a lot of money to spend

1:06:04because of one window. They try to make

1:06:06people see.

1:06:07Privacy. This is a restaurant.

1:06:10If anything happen, I have a security

1:06:12over there. I've been in the business

1:06:13for 10 years. I got no violation.

1:06:16I control my staff. But just because I

1:06:18make the the front look good [snorts]

1:06:20like the city was want to do.

1:06:22Only thing I try to put the people's

1:06:24private. You be inside the restaurant,

1:06:26nobody can know who's inside the

1:06:28restaurant. That's the only reason I put

1:06:31And that's the reason why it shouldn't

1:06:32be covered.

1:06:33>> But if you have a fire there and a

1:06:34police officer is outside, you cannot

1:06:36see what's inside. You can walk into an

1:06:39inside into an an ambush.

1:06:42If there's a fire inside in the middle

1:06:43of the night, nobody can see the fire

1:06:44because you can't see it through the

1:06:45tinted windows.

1:06:47>> But they're not tinted windows. They're

1:06:48not see through glass.

1:06:50>> It's It's tinted.

1:06:51>> the difference. You can see through the

1:06:52thing. No, it's not tinted glasses.

1:06:55>> It's not clear.

1:06:56>> It is is a glass.

1:06:57>> It's not clear.

1:06:58>> It's a special glass I put over there.

1:07:00>> You have one month to remove it.

1:07:01>> It's flat one.

1:07:02>> Okay, we're not going to renew the

1:07:03license.

1:07:03>> It's not tinted. I'm not going to I'm

1:07:05I'm going to remove it. I wouldn't. I

1:07:06want to see where all money's come from.

1:07:08I'm not going to remove it. I don't say

1:07:09I'm not going to remove it.

1:07:10>> Okay, hold on.

1:07:10>> I'm not going to tell you about the

1:07:11money. You took about When I come up

1:07:12with the $40,000 right now, I'm going to

1:07:14remove it.

1:07:14>> Well, now you know you're not going to

1:07:15get elected in 2027 if it's not removed.

1:07:18>> Yeah.

1:07:18What about those buildings that I break?

1:07:20You're going to knock down those

1:07:21buildings?

1:07:21>> No, all those windows are over 5 ft. If

1:07:24you read the statute, you'll see that

1:07:25from the ground up to 5 ft. After 5 ft,

1:07:28you can make it any color you want.

1:07:30>> Did Did you

1:07:32ask the police for a permit to do the

1:07:34construction?

1:07:35>> Yeah.

1:07:35>> It's not me. That's what I said. It was

1:07:37the 5 He was like They They were going

1:07:39to remove the entire building. They were

1:07:41going to permit

1:07:42>> The building was not legal.

1:07:43>> Yeah.

1:07:44>> No, you No, that It was not. It was not.

1:07:47You put the tint on that window.

1:07:48>> I did it.

1:07:49>> Change the color.

1:07:49>> I swear on my kids' life. I did it.

1:07:52>> The one on the right was broken.

1:07:54>> Right here. I swear on my kids' life. I

1:07:56don't I did it.

1:07:59I That's why I told you I put a $35,000

1:08:01for that glass.

1:08:02>> Okay, so you want us to

1:08:04to forego the rules of the state and

1:08:06forego the rules of the city?

1:08:08>> Because this is the This is the first

1:08:09time it happened. I didn't know about

1:08:10this thing for for 10 years that I

1:08:12haven't seen no requirement or your

1:08:14windows going to be clear or your

1:08:15windows

1:08:16>> Yes, it's right there. It's in the It's

1:08:17in the rules of the city. I will

1:08:19>> I will do it right there in the in the

1:08:21in the eighth one. The restaurant is all

1:08:23dark. I will do it in the

1:08:24I will do it in the Adams. I have to say

1:08:26I'm going to be in Boston.

1:08:26>> That's That's their rule. That's not our

1:08:28rule.

1:08:28>> So, it's not the state's

1:08:29>> The local It's a state rule.

1:08:31>> It's the state though. What about the

1:08:33haven't seen a way more than

1:08:35Boston like in front of the

1:08:36Massachusetts? [clears throat]

1:08:38>> That's enough.

1:08:38>> Wait, whatever you want me to do

1:08:41I knock down. I knock down the

1:08:43area. I can knock down tonight.

1:08:44>> No, I bought it and I'll do it tomorrow.

1:08:47>> Up to 5 ft

1:08:48has to be clear. Anything over 5 ft you

1:08:51can paint it any color.

1:08:51>> It's exactly I have to knock down this

1:08:54guy. You can knock down because the sky

1:08:55is going to knock down.

1:08:57Sky is going to knock down but put a new

1:08:59window there.

1:08:59>> Exactly. He's going to cut it and put a

1:09:01He's going to take glazing and put a new

1:09:03window.

1:09:03>> Yeah.

1:09:05Mr. Kimble.

1:09:06>> Hi, how are you?

1:09:06>> Good.

1:09:08>> Hi.

1:09:08>> I've been in odds with you over this for

1:09:10years.

1:09:12>> Odds?

1:09:13I I know you're not involved in this at

1:09:14all.

1:09:15I know years ago I was in front of the

1:09:18board and that issue did come up.

1:09:21>> Yeah?

1:09:21>> And if I may, can I

1:09:23>> Yeah, I know.

1:09:24>> You can you can you can open them.

1:09:25>> Yeah, you can.

1:09:26>> Yeah, this is the picture of my place.

1:09:28>> But you don't like

1:09:29>> Keep them open during the

1:09:31>> during the winter.

1:09:37>> I know what they look like. I've been in

1:09:38there a thousand times.

1:09:42>> Cuz we can lose the business.

1:09:43We can lose the

1:09:45kitchen.

1:09:45>> Yeah, my business is not

1:09:48your business.

1:09:49>> I I

1:09:50>> Well, um

1:09:52technically we kind of in this together,

1:09:54right?

1:09:55Um I know I've

1:09:56I've been seeing a relationship with the

1:09:58city in the old way. Right?

1:10:00>> Yeah. Now, are you serious?

1:10:01>> I've been in business for about

1:10:0520 years.

1:10:06>> That's a long time.

1:10:07>> And there's been ups and downs and

1:10:09challenges, obviously.

1:10:11And we are facing like uh

1:10:14a difficult time nowadays.

1:10:17So, what I want to say is that I

1:10:20understand the law.

1:10:22You know, we don't want to break the

1:10:23law, right?

1:10:24And

1:10:25we want to be good citizens and we want

1:10:28to be a benefit to the human to the

1:10:31community, right?

1:10:32There are things I understand we should

1:10:36focus on.

1:10:37Like

1:10:38under restriction,

1:10:40right?

1:10:41Or if you're serving after hours, cuz

1:10:43that's a detrimental thing to the city.

1:10:46>> I agree.

1:10:48>> This is kind of a technical issue.

1:10:51And this is why, right?

1:10:53>> This is what the lease actually says.

1:10:54>> Yes, this is okay.

1:10:55>> Uh-huh.

1:10:56>> This is okay. This is okay. Okay? If I

1:10:59go by there tonight and it's not like

1:11:01that,

1:11:02I'll be very disappointed.

1:11:04Okay? If I go by tomorrow afternoon and

1:11:06it's not like this, I'll be very

1:11:07disappointed. Okay? So, bottom line is

1:11:09you have till November 24th, I mean

1:11:12November

1:11:13what is it? 15th?

1:11:1519th to correct the issue and keep the

1:11:17issue corrected. Not one time, not Okay?

1:11:21And that'll be the end of it. If it's

1:11:22not,

1:11:23and if we go by and we see it like that,

1:11:25I'll make an order of it, I'll take

1:11:26pictures of it, we'll bring you before a

1:11:28judge, we may not bring you before a

1:11:29judge if it's if it's 2027 like

1:11:31>> I I I understand that and

1:11:33>> Okay.

1:11:34>> And if you give me just 120 seconds, I'm

1:11:37going to write it up, right?

1:11:38>> Go.

1:11:39>> Um

1:11:40Sometimes a customer might sit there and

1:11:42the sun might hit different, right? We

1:11:44are the customer business.

1:11:47Let's say I sit there in the sun, as you

1:11:49can see in the picture, there are some

1:11:51rays of sunlight and the customer say,

1:11:53"Hey, listen, um

1:11:56you mind just closing that for

1:11:58>> That is That side if it's on the table,

1:12:00that would be fine. Okay? But you have

1:12:02to keep them open. At night, they have

1:12:04to be open.

1:12:05>> Yes, that's another thing for that,

1:12:07right?

1:12:08Um the area has changed a little.

1:12:11>> It's going to change a lot more when you

1:12:12when you get two-way traffic, two-way

1:12:14travel down there.

1:12:14>> Well, well, there's not a room for that.

1:12:17But we have a lot of crackheads in the

1:12:19area.

1:12:19>> Mhm.

1:12:20>> We have a lot of stragglers and when we

1:12:22do call the police, they do a great job,

1:12:24but they cannot stay there

1:12:2624

1:12:29is sometimes we have people that break

1:12:31the windows and we want to create that

1:12:34barrier

1:12:35between

1:12:36the guest

1:12:38and the crackheads.

1:12:39>> Right.

1:12:40>> Even at night, they can crack the

1:12:41windows if it's clear.

1:12:43So, like that

1:12:44>> There's over 50 people sleeping behind

1:12:47the restaurant, just black holes there.

1:12:49>> Every

1:12:49>> Yeah, like you know, like we have a

1:12:50serious issue here. I just feel like

1:12:53>> [snorts]

1:12:53>> there are certain things

1:12:55it seems like I want to say Kenny

1:12:58because that's the law.

1:13:00But however, on this issue,

1:13:03it's a little when you say that hey

1:13:05listen, if I come by and I see like a

1:13:08body

1:13:10then I'm going to take away your

1:13:11license.

1:13:13For a crime.

1:13:14Why do you

1:13:15>> Like like like like

1:13:17>> How do you figure?

1:13:18>> Yeah.

1:13:19>> You have a

1:13:20argument. It's been a lot of head

1:13:22Your your

1:13:23>> I do.

1:13:23>> Okay, so you have that issue, right?

1:13:26You need to call the police department.

1:13:28This department, you are not feeling

1:13:29that they are safe in your house.

1:13:31You don't know if they're coming into

1:13:32the house.

1:13:34And that's why we have to follow up with

1:13:35the landlord.

1:13:36>> Do you know how many times you call the

1:13:37police department with the back there

1:13:39being there a lot of needles needles I

1:13:41wanted collected 10 14 25 30 needles

1:13:45every time I open the restaurant behind

1:13:48this kitchen. I ain't even my neighbors

1:13:50>> Which is I'm not just trying to

1:13:52>> Westgate Mall is five times bigger than

1:13:54all your places together and they called

1:13:56me up and said we'll take care of it

1:13:57tomorrow.

1:13:58And they got from December 24th they got

1:14:00to cut 8 inches off of it. They they did

1:14:02that.

1:14:03Okay?

1:14:04>> But what are you doing about the

1:14:05business?

1:14:06>> If they can't have a good business they

1:14:07can't They've been in the business for

1:14:09so long. They probably have a money.

1:14:11>> Well, I just paid $35,000

1:14:146 months ago for the windows.

1:14:16>> And then you can actually see inside of

1:14:18like office building. Like if you go

1:14:21close cuz I think the issue is we want

1:14:23to make sure there's nothing happening

1:14:25inside the place, right?

1:14:27>> You want to check out

1:14:28>> Either like

1:14:30Exactly. But I think in this building if

1:14:33you look

1:14:34through the You you can actually see

1:14:36inside because you have a

1:14:37>> No.

1:14:38>> Even inside the car you can look at it.

1:14:40And in the daytime like I told you the

1:14:41daytime you can the sun reflect the

1:14:43window you can't see.

1:14:45>> There. Okay.

1:14:45>> But at night

1:14:46>> That's not legal.

1:14:47>> And at night

1:14:49>> If you you would tell me what I what I

1:14:52When I did, nobody told me no for the

1:14:54fire department or the building

1:14:56department, they never say no because

1:14:58they want me to do the inspection.

1:15:00>> Fire department does not inspect window

1:15:02tint or glass or reflecting glass.

1:15:04>> Every year when you get to do the

1:15:06inspection, I say the fire department

1:15:08when they do the inspection,

1:15:09>> Every year when you get your license,

1:15:10sir.

1:15:10>> Fire department does not inspect window

1:15:12glass. I don't say window glass, but you

1:15:15got to do the inspection, right?

1:15:16>> Every year when you get your license,

1:15:19it's right here. If you do not read the

1:15:21the rules regarding your license, shame

1:15:25on you.

1:15:26Okay?

1:15:27>> Yeah.

1:15:27>> Sylvia sends them

1:15:28>> never see the requirement for this.

1:15:30That's why I told you.

1:15:31>> You never You probably never read these

1:15:33cuz Sylvia sends them every year with

1:15:34the renewal.

1:15:35>> I did.

1:15:36>> Um one last question. Um

1:15:38Just what if?

1:15:39Cuz we did that building over and

1:15:42putting the window there was just like a

1:15:44design issue.

1:15:45We could have put a wall there,

1:15:48right?

1:15:49>> Yes.

1:15:49>> What if there was a wall there? How

1:15:51would you see inside?

1:15:52>> How would you see For example, there's a

1:15:53couple of places on Main Street. There's

1:15:56one up on North Main Street, the Spot,

1:15:58the old Roxy's Lounge.

1:16:00The windows

1:16:02are up here.

1:16:03Guess what?

1:16:04>> No no no like but that's windows, right?

1:16:06>> The glass.

1:16:07>> It's glass.

1:16:08>> They can cover the glass as long as it's

1:16:10over 5 ft.

1:16:11>> Glass windows, whatever. But, just

1:16:13[snorts] what if?

1:16:15Because we designed that building from

1:16:17scratch, right?

1:16:18And we decided to put windows there. We

1:16:21could have just put

1:16:23that

1:16:24right like that beautiful wall there.

1:16:26>> Yep.

1:16:27>> But, then like what do you do then? You

1:16:28can't see inside. And [snorts] the other

1:16:30thing I think we should

1:16:32worry about

1:16:35is

1:16:36other places.

1:16:37>> Yeah, we'll do the wiring. We'll do the

1:16:38wiring for you.

1:16:39>> Well well yeah, what if

1:16:40>> What if

1:16:40>> Well well no like the reason I said this

1:16:42is because like we are we we are

1:16:46>> [clears throat]

1:16:46>> No, but let's say let's just say

1:16:48>> All right, guys, enough is enough. I'm

1:16:50just putting in one notice.

1:16:53Fix it. That's it. End of story.

1:16:55We'll see you in November. November

1:16:57meeting. If it's been corrected,

1:16:59great. If it hasn't been corrected,

1:17:01we'll see you in November.

1:17:02>> What we have to come over here again?

1:17:03>> If it's been corrected, we'll see you in

1:17:05Don't have to see you. If it's not been

1:17:06corrected, I want to see you in

1:17:07November.

1:17:09All right. Thank you.

1:17:10>> [snorts]

1:17:10>> We want to have to try to make them look

1:17:12good on the board.

1:17:13>> You got

1:17:14>> Yeah,

1:17:14I'm not going to pay $48,000 to

1:17:17>> Enough of that thing.

1:17:18>> All I know is I'm not here

1:17:21>> I'm not here to sanction you.

1:17:23>> No, no, but why you want to penalize us

1:17:25in the business because of the simplest

1:17:27window?

1:17:29>> It's simple.

1:17:29>> No, but

1:17:30why you say this thing come from the

1:17:32state?

1:17:33The whole other state All the cities

1:17:35Like why do you say like I was talking

1:17:38and you talking to me

1:17:39>> I just

1:17:40gave you a month to straighten it out.

1:17:41>> I know that.

1:17:42>> I have a restaurant forever and it's all

1:17:44done.

1:17:44>> Glass the exact glass I put in. I got no

1:17:47issue with that. They never called me to

1:17:48the board and said we're going to shut

1:17:50you down because you you got to change

1:17:52[snorts] that.

1:17:52>> Yeah, like this is aggressive behavior.

1:17:54>> I have a restaurant forever in the same

1:17:55state in Massachusetts. Stop yelling at

1:17:57me.

1:17:58>> I'm not yelling at you. You just yelling

1:18:00at me.

1:18:00>> We We heard you out.

1:18:01>> You just yelling at me.

1:18:02>> We heard your point.

1:18:03>> That's why I told you why you think I'm

1:18:04a child.

1:18:05>> Yeah, like why you talking to me as a

1:18:06child? Like this is enough.

1:18:08>> We heard you.

1:18:08>> We are businessmen.

1:18:09>> We made a complaint to the city of

1:18:11Woburn.

1:18:12>> I'm not here to sanction you.

1:18:13>> You're not here exactly. No, because I

1:18:15am worried like this is a local This is

1:18:17a local

1:18:18>> This is not a state regulation.

1:18:20>> Cuz I already called the the state

1:18:22agent. I called I went to the board and

1:18:24told um

1:18:25I told them this thing is you you being

1:18:27corrected. This thing is wrong.

1:18:30Believe me.

1:18:31This law is unfair.

1:18:31>> It's wrong.

1:18:32>> This This law is unfair.

1:18:34>> Right? The reason

1:18:35>> Everybody in the room like to be happy

1:18:37and nice.

1:18:37>> law is unfair because what if my

1:18:39business was in the basement? There is

1:18:41no way you can see through it. What if

1:18:43[snorts] it was on the 15th floor?

1:18:45>> Then you could check the window.

1:18:48>> What if there was no windows in the

1:18:49building?

1:18:49>> Then then you have no windows in the

1:18:51building.

1:18:52>> So so

1:18:53So

1:18:54So

1:18:57Wait, all I have to do is

1:18:59>> Wait wait wait wait wait.

1:19:00>> All I have to do is remove my windows.

1:19:02All I have to do is remove like the

1:19:04windows.

1:19:05>> No, just keep the blinds keep the

1:19:06curtains on them.

1:19:07>> No. Don't you like privacy?

1:19:09>> No, because

1:19:09>> Everybody in this room like privacy in

1:19:11the restaurant.

1:19:12>> I don't need to see you inside the

1:19:13restaurant. Whatever you've been doing

1:19:15your business.

1:19:15>> All I'm asking you to do is fix it fix

1:19:17>> What about the columns?

1:19:18>> What are you asking about the columns?

1:19:20What about my loose?

1:19:21>> Because your windows are up so high

1:19:23they're

1:19:23>> What if the windows got no windows?

1:19:25>> [snorts]

1:19:25>> They have no lights. This restaurant has

1:19:27no windows. So

1:19:28little thing you like to be in jail?

1:19:31That what you can

1:19:32>> Some people have no way to see the

1:19:33>> Read the law and understand it and it's

1:19:35highly important.

1:19:36>> Okay, please understand what I said. I

1:19:38just spent $35,000 on my building. Now

1:19:41I'm going to spend another $48,000. It's

1:19:42not fair. Where's the money going to

1:19:44come from?

1:19:46Put yourself in our situation. I'm going

1:19:48to do you I told you like that. You got

1:19:50to do this if you're not doing we're not

1:19:52going to

1:19:52reissue like the license to you.

1:19:55>> Oh boy.

1:19:55>> Because everybody like to be in a

1:19:57privacy in the restaurant. You go to the

1:19:59bathroom you see like all the

1:20:00restaurants are dark.

1:20:01>> All right, we're going to add into it

1:20:02like closing a bar.

1:20:03>> We'll see you in November.

1:20:05>> I don't know what the issues are with

1:20:07the glasses. You want to you being you

1:20:09you want to people living in the nose to

1:20:11get in the restaurant? Just open the

1:20:13door. I have a security there. I've been

1:20:15in business for 10 years. I have got no

1:20:17issues with my license. No violation.

1:20:20This is a violation. I was I was

1:20:22surprised when you see like a violation.

1:20:23[snorts] So what kind of violation I

1:20:25did?

1:20:25>> It's not a violation. It's just just an

1:20:27education of community for you.

1:20:29>> Well

1:20:30um well that's not what this letter

1:20:32says. This letter

1:20:32>> The letter said violation.

1:20:34>> Yeah, protection violation.

1:20:35>> Protection violation. But what's the

1:20:36protection violation? This window

1:20:38privacy. I put yourself in a private.

1:20:41You go to my restaurant, you be feel

1:20:43comfortable there. Nobody can see who

1:20:45inside the restaurant. Those crackheads

1:20:47around the restaurant, they can knock

1:20:49the door like this, no window.

1:20:51They make you scared. All the crackheads

1:20:53around, all the drug drug addicts around

1:20:56the restaurant, you'll be scared inside

1:20:57the restaurant.

1:20:58>> Well, what do you want to see?

1:21:00>> Yeah, but like you know, what are we

1:21:01hiding? Like what do you want to see?

1:21:03>> I want

1:21:04the motor public to be able to see

1:21:06>> What do people want to see inside the

1:21:07restaurant?

1:21:08Why? What's the reason?

1:21:09>> That's the law.

1:21:11I didn't make the law. We just enforce

1:21:13it.

1:21:13>> But this is the first time we renew the

1:21:15license and requirement.

1:21:16All the requirement to renew the license

1:21:18they never say windows windows.

1:21:20I want you to show us to show to us what

1:21:24it say on the new requirement for your

1:21:26liquor license. Insurance? Worker's

1:21:29comp?

1:21:30You got no violation. I don't see no

1:21:32pink windows.

1:21:33>> You can go on the state [clears throat]

1:21:34website.

1:21:35>> It It's not the the things doesn't come

1:21:37from the state.

1:21:38>> [snorts]

1:21:38>> You know what I'm saying?

1:21:39This is a law come from the city.

1:21:42>> The law has to make the law has to be

1:21:44reasonable because as we know in

1:21:46America, we have a lot of laws

1:21:49that were not right.

1:21:50>> This is what I say, the law come from

1:21:52the state.

1:21:52>> And I didn't enforce it.

1:21:54This is what

1:21:55>> Everything this law is

1:21:57>> It doesn't You're not

1:21:57>> It doesn't matter what you say. We're

1:21:58not in the same state. We're not in

1:22:00>> We're not in the same state. This is the

1:22:01law.

1:22:03So,

1:22:04the both of you

1:22:05I'm not going to You're both

1:22:06>> We're not going to We disagree.

1:22:09>> We disagree. You

1:22:10>> Yeah.

1:22:10>> You're going to have to

1:22:11>> But

1:22:12>> All I'm saying is

1:22:13you got to

1:22:14>> We're going to make it. We're going to

1:22:15make to make you guys happy.

1:22:16>> We didn't hit the walls. We didn't hit

1:22:17the walls. We didn't hit the

1:22:17>> No, we're going to make the to make you

1:22:19guys happy.

1:22:19>> No, but you guys

1:22:20>> This law doesn't come from the state.

1:22:21>> Because we have laws that are local.

1:22:24>> Yes.

1:22:24>> Oh, no, because we have laws that are

1:22:26local because we have crackheads in the

1:22:27of

1:22:28>> Because I talked to the mayor about this

1:22:29thing. I talked to the city council

1:22:30about this

1:22:31>> You should talk to the mayor.

1:22:32>> We talked to the city council, us city

1:22:34council, ward five. He said no way.

1:22:38>> We have laws that We have laws that are

1:22:40being

1:22:41>> What do you got?

1:22:42>> No, you can do it.

1:22:42>> We have laws that are being enforced.

1:22:45>> Yeah.

1:22:46>> Willy-nilly. Like, we have laws that

1:22:48just We just enforce it as we choose to.

1:22:50This is one of them. We just decide,

1:22:52"Oh, there's a window."

1:22:53But, we have people in the back of the

1:22:55building like taking crack and the

1:22:57police are there.

1:22:58They control those those people

1:22:59>> When the police are not there then

1:23:01>> They don't do anything, right? But, all

1:23:02they tell a man, "Listen, just leave

1:23:03it." They come back five minutes later.

1:23:05But, us,

1:23:06>> Hey, listen.

1:23:08>> you have this window and you need to

1:23:09shut up, stop talking, and come back or

1:23:12we'll take your license away. Like, what

1:23:13is this?

1:23:14>> No, that's not what I mean.

1:23:15>> This is This is that I'm getting

1:23:16>> Who's going to

1:23:17Who's going to be penalized if you know

1:23:19customer go out the restaurant? Nobody

1:23:21you guys that are here at the chair on

1:23:23the chair on the board. How's going to

1:23:25be penalized?

1:23:27Because when the customer not going over

1:23:28there because the glass is clear, nobody

1:23:30wants to go there, they go different

1:23:32spot.

1:23:33You guys not penalized. Other penalized.

1:23:37You guys not paying that much insurance.

1:23:40You got no You got no employees.

1:23:43You start You will going to start a fire

1:23:44people because you can't

1:23:46You got to get strong with this because

1:23:48of simple window, simple glass in the

1:23:50restaurant. Everybody be like that be

1:23:52driving in the restaurant. It's the

1:23:54first time in my life. But, all this

1:23:56time that we have a business, people

1:23:57complain about it.

1:23:59Restaurant windows is dark.

1:24:01I never heard about that.

1:24:03And if you go to cities around the same

1:24:05state, they never say about that. They

1:24:07never put put stuff like that.

1:24:09>> It's a broken order.

1:24:11>> That's right. If you guys make this

1:24:13rule, you guys make

1:24:14>> How do you personally make it? You

1:24:15didn't personally make

1:24:16>> Probably he's the one who make this

1:24:17rule.

1:24:18I'll be honest with you.

1:24:20>> All right. So,

1:24:21I follow you guys.

1:24:23If you have to just pay $48,000 out, I

1:24:24have to. There's no way like this is

1:24:26>> Because this is the bread for my kids.

1:24:28This is the way I survive. My kids will

1:24:30survive. This is the way I put the bread

1:24:32on my table. But it's not everybody see

1:24:34it. How you you struggle in your

1:24:35business, get up, no no sleep,

1:24:39get up 11:00 to come to this place,

1:24:42to go back home like 4:00, 5:30 in the

1:24:44morning again, come back the next day,

1:24:46the struggle

1:24:48for the simplest window and then they

1:24:50penalize me.

1:24:51>> Why did you guys call the C4

1:24:53for windows?

1:24:54This like window.

1:24:55>> It's not right.

1:24:55>> Not

1:24:56>> It's not right.

1:24:57>> Not crackers in the street.

1:24:59Like window. Like not trash in front of

1:25:01my Like not

1:25:02>> Yeah, yeah, listen. Like you got my

1:25:04struggling.

1:25:05>> If you want to open your clients, so I

1:25:08I understand

1:25:09>> But they are days like

1:25:10>> You're you're you're right right

1:25:11[snorts] now cuz you have to either swap

1:25:13out the window but

1:25:14>> I have to swap the window. They going to

1:25:16cost me another $48,000 like I mean like

1:25:19C4.

1:25:20>> $35,000

1:25:21Here is the advice.

1:25:22>> No, but they are days like they are days

1:25:25that might

1:25:25>> Oh, we should know we've been in a

1:25:27restaurant business. You think we have

1:25:29money?

1:25:30>> Oh, listen.

1:25:31>> So, like you are in violation of because

1:25:33you have your windows covered above 5

1:25:35ft. You put it in the

1:25:38And basically what it only was is you

1:25:39had 10

1:25:40above 5 ft in your windows, you get 5.

1:25:44This is the

1:25:45>> This is the only one.

1:25:46This is my only one. Like my phone is in

1:25:48violation.

1:25:49>> This is all I can

1:25:49>> What do you give me?

1:25:50>> I got 5 ft. This is all I can say.

1:25:52>> You did 5 ft high cover or 5 ft down?

1:25:56>> Above 5 ft.

1:25:57>> For the record, I have the exact

1:25:58opposite interpretation of this.

1:26:01It reads from the sidewalk up.

1:26:03>> Yeah.

1:26:04>> Exactly.

1:26:04>> Clear.

1:26:05>> No.

1:26:07No.

1:26:08It says

1:26:10shall we No window or door facing public

1:26:13way shall be obstructed by any screen or

1:26:15object extending more than 5 ft above

1:26:19the level of the sidewalk.

1:26:20>> Exactly. That's what I mean. This is

1:26:21what I was saying.

1:26:23>> Unfortunately, it's

1:26:24>> Yeah, this is what I was saying.

1:26:27>> Which I think puts those little tiny

1:26:28jail windows in play.

1:26:30It doesn't make any sense.

1:26:32>> All right. Well, like I said, this is

1:26:33just an education just to let you know

1:26:35what's going on and uh

1:26:38If you fix it, you fix it. And if you

1:26:40keep your windows open like that, then

1:26:41you're in compliance.

1:26:43I just saw it.

1:26:45I I want I'm not here to cite anyone.

1:26:47>> I understand.

1:26:48>> I'm just being a good neighbor before

1:26:49people start doing alterations and

1:26:51the way it reads

1:26:53is more than 5 ft from the sidewalk.

1:26:56>> This is just an application.

1:26:57>> I've already spoken to the landlord

1:26:59about it.

1:26:59>> And they said

1:27:01uh 1 2 3.

1:27:03I know it's I

1:27:04get the way it is. Government cannot

1:27:06block clear view on sidewalk. Okay, and

1:27:08this part is

1:27:10Any window that can be clear open.

1:27:13Now anything over 5 ft, you can block.

1:27:16So, 0 to 5 clear. Anything over 5 ft,

1:27:19you can paint purple.

1:27:21>> Yeah, we got 5 ft

1:27:22cuz we got 5 ft with the bricks.

1:27:25Probably like a 4 and 1/2 ft with the

1:27:27bricks. Then there's only this.

1:27:29I don't see no difference.

1:27:30>> All right, I'll be up there tomorrow to

1:27:31check it out.

1:27:33>> No, you

1:27:34They they they give you a permission to

1:27:35go right now and you can see inside the

1:27:37restaurant.

1:27:38I know. From the sidewalk, this is what

1:27:40I repeat to the people. From the

1:27:41sidewalk to the window, it's got to be 5

1:27:43ft. 5 ft have

1:27:44>> It's the same as I told you.

1:27:45>> And after that, you can do your drawing.

1:27:46>> Stop.

1:27:48That's all I'm I'm going to do. I just

1:27:50just asking you to keep your blinds open

1:27:52like that and you'll be fine. If the

1:27:54people sitting in that corner table is

1:27:55on their eyes,

1:27:57close that blind. But you can't keep

1:27:58them all closed.

1:28:00Appreciate it.

1:28:02>> Or maybe just just like just have an

1:28:04area where you guys can eat like we do

1:28:06like a peekaboo. So, that way you can

1:28:08See inside because the idea is to see

1:28:10inside, isn't it?

1:28:12Isn't this why we here? Like we here

1:28:14because you want to see inside of the

1:28:16restaurant, right? Or the club or

1:28:18whatever. So, let's just do like a you

1:28:21know, just like a hole

1:28:23so we can see what's going on inside.

1:28:24All right.

1:28:46This is frivolous.

1:28:48A criminal is frivolous. It's not an

1:28:50important thing for the city. So, I

1:28:52would like to invite everybody to come

1:28:54to the Empire after this whole drinking.

1:29:00We have to be open until 11:00.

1:29:11>> Yes.

1:29:12>> Scared.

1:29:13>> No, because I'm mad if he he want me to

1:29:15do I I don't care if they get along.

1:29:17>> No,

1:29:18no, no, no.

1:29:19Well, it's $25,000. You can't

1:29:29>> All right, guys. Thank you very much.

1:29:33>> Do you want to take your rules with you?

1:29:36>> No, no. Those are the rules. The license

1:29:37commission rules.

1:29:38>> Well, I know this. I've been getting in

1:29:39this for 20 years.

1:29:41>> I know all the rules.

1:29:43>> You can't you can't conceal that. I I've

1:29:45never been to one of these things.

1:29:46>> Hearing on the press of Rock and License

1:29:48Commission the licensee is in violation

1:29:50of Mass General Law 142 58 against Auto

1:29:53Service.

1:29:54Art and Al's Garage.

1:29:56Um he

1:29:59reached out to Zoya. Was it you that you

1:30:01reached out to him first?

1:30:02>> Yeah.

1:30:03>> He's here.

1:30:04>> Oh, you are. Okay. Art and Al's Garage,

1:30:06878 891 Tel St.

1:30:08>> He wants

1:30:09>> Uh well, Oh yeah, that's right. Bill

1:30:11Geddes um

1:30:12Geddes Auto Repair, 546 Warren Ave. Bob

1:30:15Martin

1:30:16B&M Auto Sales, Ron's Auto Truck Repair,

1:30:19153 Howard St. Unfortunately, his wife

1:30:21passed away and he's not going to be

1:30:22here today.

1:30:23Uh Great Keep Auto Business Sales, New

1:30:25Ride LLC, 362 2 Pearl St. Brockton. And

1:30:29De Santis Pre-Owned Service and Sales

1:30:31and Collision, 150 1555 Main St.

1:30:34Brockton, Mass. And that's um they're

1:30:37going to do a transfer on that license,

1:30:38so we've got to hold up on that right

1:30:40now.

1:30:41My question with you guys, did you bring

1:30:43your

1:30:44book?

1:30:45>> Yeah.

1:30:46>> All right, Mr. Geddes. All right. The

1:30:48last time you did a um

1:30:49>> [snorts]

1:30:49>> transaction was that 2024?

1:30:52>> Uh yes.

1:30:53>> Okay.

1:30:53>> I

1:30:54can I explain myself?

1:30:55>> Sure.

1:30:56>> Okay. As you know, my family's been in

1:30:58Brockton 100 years running this

1:31:00business.

1:31:01>> Okay.

1:31:02>> Um with our family a lot of financial

1:31:06hardships

1:31:07uh which I would be willing to explain

1:31:09if I can.

1:31:10>> This is like talking to those guys here.

1:31:13This is just a laugh to have.

1:31:15The information I'm getting,

1:31:16okay? We're not here to sanction you

1:31:18today.

1:31:20Okay?

1:31:21I wrote this up this section of the city

1:31:22for 16 years and I've never seen a car

1:31:24business like this.

1:31:25>> You've never In 16 years?

1:31:27>> Yeah.

1:31:28>> I don't understand that.

1:31:29>> Okay, well

1:31:30>> Okay, what here's

1:31:31here's been my problem, okay?

1:31:34I've been working in this business

1:31:36myself full time for 50 years.

1:31:39>> Yeah.

1:31:39>> Okay.

1:31:40When my uncle passed away in 2003, him

1:31:43and my dad owned the business. When he

1:31:45passed away

1:31:47my uncle had been responsible for taking

1:31:50care of the bills. We found out when my

1:31:52uncle passed away, he was behind on real

1:31:55estate tax. At the same time, my dad was

1:31:58having heart problems, had to have a

1:32:00bypass on the way.

1:32:01He signed his half of the business over

1:32:03to me.

1:32:04>> Listen, we have people that want to come

1:32:05to Brockton and sell cars. We have no

1:32:07more car licenses. If you don't need

1:32:09your car license anymore,

1:32:10either turn it in, don't renew it, or

1:32:13sell it to somebody.

1:32:14>> Okay.

1:32:15>> I had full intentions of getting the

1:32:17business up and running.

1:32:18>> Okay.

1:32:18>> Okay.

1:32:19>> That's things going.

1:32:20>> What happened [snorts] was when my uncle

1:32:22died,

1:32:23his girlfriend produced the will showing

1:32:25that she was half owner.

1:32:27Okay? I didn't even know

1:32:29>> [snorts]

1:32:29>> Miss Alden Well, as I told you, we're

1:32:31not here to sanction you.

1:32:32>> Okay.

1:32:33>> Well, all I'm telling you is last

1:32:36transaction was 2024, and the

1:32:38transaction before that was 2019.

1:32:41>> I have not had the money.

1:32:42>> You have to be substantially engaged in

1:32:44a business of selling cars in order to

1:32:45have a

1:32:46>> I have not had the money. I had a

1:32:50partner that was investing in cars with

1:32:52me, an old family friend,

1:32:54that was retired,

1:32:56>> [snorts]

1:32:56>> and he was investing in the cars with

1:32:58me.

1:32:59And

1:33:00what happened was he passed away. And

1:33:03both my parents were elderly,

1:33:05and they both had congestive heart

1:33:08failure.

1:33:09And I had to basically close

1:33:12>> Stop right now. I'm not here We're not

1:33:14here to sanction you.

1:33:15>> Then I Okay. I will not

1:33:17>> I just I'm trying to qualify myself.

1:33:19First of all, you have repair dealer

1:33:20plates.

1:33:21>> I have dealer plates.

1:33:23>> And if the registry was to take a look

1:33:24at your book right now, they would

1:33:25revoke your dealer plates.

1:33:27So, all I'm just telling you

1:33:28>> I'm not I'm not interested in doing

1:33:30that.

1:33:30>> But I'm just telling you

1:33:32if you're going to do something with the

1:33:33license, great.

1:33:35If you're not,

1:33:36either turn it in, sell it,

1:33:39or do something with the license.

1:33:41Because we have people that want to come

1:33:42to Brockton, and we have no more car

1:33:44licenses.

1:33:45>> I

1:33:45>> Okay.

1:33:46>> I

1:33:46>> Okay. That's all I'm saying to you.

1:33:48>> Okay. Well,

1:33:49>> All right.

1:33:50>> The

1:33:51reason I'm bringing it up now is because

1:33:52renewals are around the corner.

1:33:55>> I know they are.

1:33:56I did not have the money. I have When my

1:33:59parents passed away, both my lost my dad

1:34:02in 2020, I lost my partner, but you

1:34:06know, the guy that was investing with me

1:34:08in 2021.

1:34:09>> You had money to be able to renew your

1:34:11license, get your license

1:34:13and all that stuff.

1:34:14>> Yes, I have I have paid every single

1:34:18from the time I took this this on

1:34:20myself.

1:34:21All right, in 2003,

1:34:24I paid the city in full all the real

1:34:27estate taxes, okay, remortgaged my

1:34:29house.

1:34:31All right, to to be able to pay the

1:34:33taxes in full,

1:34:35pay off the lawyers, and pay off

1:34:39my uncle's girlfriend.

1:34:42All right,

1:34:43so it's

1:34:44it's been it's been a major hardship.

1:34:47You lose when I did not have the money

1:34:49to invest in the cars.

1:34:51I obviously did the marine business. I

1:34:54have to pay my bills. Insurance, real

1:34:55estate tax, I have not been late on one

1:34:58payment, not one day with the city or

1:35:01with anybody else.

1:35:02>> Mr. Gali, I understand where you're

1:35:04coming from. Like they said, I'm not

1:35:05here to sanction you, we're not here to

1:35:07sanction you. We just have to put you on

1:35:09notice that you have a license. We do

1:35:11not allow pocket licenses in Brockton.

1:35:13Please let's not exercise the license,

1:35:16okay? Fair enough, thank you.

1:35:19>> All right, Mr. Gali.

1:35:21>> So, can I apply for the

1:35:23get my license?

1:35:25>> I'm just putting you on notice, that's

1:35:26all.

1:35:27Hi Bill.

1:35:29Did you bring your book with you?

1:35:30>> Good evening, Mr.

1:35:32Chairman on

1:35:33and members of the commission. Thank

1:35:36you. Most common and I believe we see

1:35:38all the other books.

1:35:40Yes, all the same.

1:35:42All right, so what I see is

1:35:45from 2024

1:35:48to 2026, so your last car was you sold

1:35:51was a

1:35:52uh

1:35:53something in 2024 and then you didn't

1:35:55have any sales until 2026.

1:35:58Um there's no cars out there for sale.

1:36:00You wouldn't know it was a used car

1:36:01dealership. Oh, you do have cars out

1:36:03there for sale now? Excellent.

1:36:05>> I'm sorry, but those cars have always

1:36:07been on the property.

1:36:08>> Yeah, I've never seen them for sale

1:36:10sign.

1:36:10>> The Porsche. But I mean I don't

1:36:12>> And we just we just want you on notice,

1:36:14that's all. Um

1:36:15and

1:36:16we need to see some activity there

1:36:18because as I said to the last guy, we

1:36:20have people that have licenses that are

1:36:22not exercising them. Apparently [snorts]

1:36:23you're exercising it.

1:36:25That's it. It's just a

1:36:27putting you on notice, a teaching

1:36:28moment.

1:36:29You don't need to

1:36:31lawyer up or anything like that. Um I

1:36:34just

1:36:34>> Well, it was my honor to to be here on

1:36:36behalf of my father-in-law.

1:36:38>> And I'm friendly with Bill.

1:36:40>> My name is Nick Pappas. Nick Pappas.

1:36:41Nick Pappas. Nick Pappas. Nick Pappas.

1:36:43Bill Pappas has been there

1:36:44>> On Belmont Street

1:36:45>> and you on Belmont and Pearl

1:36:47>> and I've been I've known Bill for over

1:36:4940 years. So

1:36:51>> He's been here in the auto business for

1:36:53over 51 as you well know and over 45

1:36:56years with never any violations of the

1:36:58municipality or customer. And just to

1:37:02make you feel more and I know that the

1:37:05inquiry is what the inquiry is, but I

1:37:07also like to give you

1:37:09These are Google and these aren't

1:37:11uh cherry picked.

1:37:13These are every Google

1:37:15um

1:37:16posting that they've made and that

1:37:18includes and there's not one bad

1:37:21>> I don't have any I don't have any

1:37:22problem with him or his business. I just

1:37:26we see no cars out there for sale and

1:37:28[snorts] people tell us, "Hey, he's got

1:37:30a car license, but we don't see any cars

1:37:32for sale."

1:37:32>> Well, they are. They're there. They've

1:37:35been [snorts] posted.

1:37:36>> Okay.

1:37:37>> And

1:37:38>> That's it.

1:37:39>> And that's it.

1:37:39>> Yep.

1:37:40>> Okay. We thank you.

1:37:41>> Okay. We're just putting you on notice,

1:37:42that's all.

1:37:43>> All right.

1:37:45>> All right.

1:37:47Well, Bill, how come we see cars out

1:37:48there for sale?

1:37:49>> I deal with classic cars and I don't

1:37:52want to deal with the public with the

1:37:54cars dealing with the market. They

1:37:56muscle cars and classic cars for rights

1:37:58to collect the tax.

1:38:00>> Do you have um do you have plates or

1:38:02repair plates?

1:38:03>> No plates.

1:38:03>> Okay.

1:38:07And you're also here on behalf of this

1:38:08Mr. De Santis.

1:38:10>> Sure, I think he could make it tonight.

1:38:12We'd like to postpone it to next month.

1:38:15And he's going to be transferred his

1:38:18license to

1:38:20property. I have that I'm going to be

1:38:21leasing.

1:38:22>> Okay, so do you think you can do that

1:38:25between now and next month?

1:38:27>> Um

1:38:27>> And then he won't have to come back here

1:38:29after that for

1:38:30>> Sure.

1:38:31>> Um

1:38:32is he going to put cars out there for

1:38:34>> Yep.

1:38:35>> For sale?

1:38:35>> Yep.

1:38:36>> You realize because [clears throat] he's

1:38:38sharing your business property.

1:38:39>> Correct.

1:38:40>> It's got to be sectioned off.

1:38:42>> Correct.

1:38:43>> Okay.

1:38:43>> And if there's a building considered

1:38:45because I have parking lot on one side

1:38:47and then I have a building that comes

1:38:48out to Main Street.

1:38:49>> Yeah, and I have parking lot on the

1:38:51other side.

1:38:52>> So does that

1:38:53count for

1:38:55one side of the property to the other

1:38:57side?

1:38:57>> Well, you got to have an office in the

1:38:59the specifications of 100 square feet

1:39:01with office furniture and so forth,

1:39:04separate entrance.

1:39:05>> Yep.

1:39:05>> Um

1:39:06What kind of cars does he deal in?

1:39:08>> High end

1:39:10um

1:39:11sports cars I guess you

1:39:12>> Oh, but a long time ago.

1:39:14>> playing and stuff.

1:39:15Yeah.

1:39:16>> Is that why you have all those lights

1:39:17out here?

1:39:19>> No, that's actually Bruce Ramond's reps

1:39:23squad.

1:39:23>> Problem is is he has no cars for sale

1:39:25that that

1:39:27from the general motoring public.

1:39:29>> Well, he sells online.

1:39:32>> Does he have repair plates or dealer

1:39:33plates? You have dealer plates?

1:39:35>> No, not at that license now.

1:39:37>> No?

1:39:37>> No, sir.

1:39:38>> All right, like I said, I'm just we're

1:39:39just putting you on notice. stuff. If

1:39:41you if you can do the paperwork with

1:39:44Sylvia between now

1:39:46and November

1:39:47>> Okay.

1:39:47>> to get it She got They have to be in by

1:39:49what

1:39:50what

1:39:51>> 10 days before

1:39:51>> 10 days before the meeting.

1:39:53>> Okay.

1:39:53>> So the meeting is the 15th, so you got

1:39:55till

1:39:5619th.

1:39:57You got till the 9th of

1:39:59>> Okay.

1:40:00>> All right.

1:40:01>> I do have one question. My license is in

1:40:05a DBA in my name. What do I have to do

1:40:07to put it into corporation name?

1:40:10>> And go to the Secretary of State's

1:40:11website

1:40:12>> Okay.

1:40:13>> and do that.

1:40:14>> And just do it that way.

1:40:15>> Okay.

1:40:15>> And then notify us that

1:40:17>> We are changing [snorts] from the DBA to

1:40:18corporation.

1:40:19>> Right.

1:40:21All right.

1:40:22Okay. Thank you. Have a good night.

1:40:23>> You too.

1:40:24>> Since you had discussion of license

1:40:26commission CORI policy

1:40:29Uh I got in touch with D law about it

1:40:31and

1:40:32they have no problem with us doing the

1:40:34CORI. They have a form that they have a

1:40:37very specific

1:40:38way they want to do it. So they want

1:40:40Sylvia to take the CORI paperwork now,

1:40:43put it in the file

1:40:44and once we get the CORI policy worked

1:40:47out completely, then those will all be

1:40:49submitted for the CORI report. And if

1:40:52anybody that has a

1:40:55certain felonies like financial crimes,

1:40:58auto theft, insurance fraud or anything

1:41:01like that

1:41:02um they'll either be denied or they'll

1:41:04be brought [snorts] in to have their

1:41:05license revoked because they can't have

1:41:07a license.

1:41:08Would you want your mother or your

1:41:10sister dealing with somebody that's

1:41:13involved in insurance fraud or

1:41:15uh auto theft? Matter of fact, we have a

1:41:18problem

1:41:19Didn't Didn't they just have a car come

1:41:21back on a car lot that was stolen?

1:41:23Uh cloned or something to that effect?

1:41:26>> I saw something about it, but

1:41:27>> And then the other thing is was there a

1:41:29stabbing

1:41:29>> different world now.

1:41:31>> I know. Was there a stabbing in one of

1:41:32the bathrooms?

1:41:34>> I didn't hear anything.

1:41:35>> Uh I thought one of the guys posted a

1:41:37picture trying to identify somebody in a

1:41:39in the bar from surveillance photo or

1:41:42something. I have to look it up.

1:41:46>> Is this a list of

1:41:47>> Yes, this is very specific list.

1:41:49>> And then who makes the determination?

1:41:51>> Well, we never see them. They would be

1:41:53forwarded to him or forwarded to um

1:41:56um

1:41:58that hack query.

1:42:00>> The query center?

1:42:00>> Yeah.

1:42:01>> That email said they would go through

1:42:03some website or something.

1:42:04>> Yeah, they go through some website, but

1:42:06when the query comes back

1:42:08>> Oh, like what's on it?

1:42:09>> Yes, we're not going to see we're

1:42:11>> I kind of know who makes the

1:42:12determination.

1:42:12>> We're we're not going to see the We

1:42:14know. We're not going to see it. We're

1:42:15going to get a as I told the law

1:42:16department, we're going to get a yay

1:42:18or a nay from the police department.

1:42:21We're not going to see it.

1:42:22>> And who's going to run this?

1:42:24>> Uh they're going to be sent into the

1:42:25state.

1:42:27Okay? The state will run it. They'll be

1:42:28forwarded back to

1:42:30>> [snorts]

1:42:30>> Brockton Police.

1:42:33And then

1:42:34as I said, one of them just had run a

1:42:35bar and he said to me, "I can't really

1:42:37run a bar on them because

1:42:39um there's different criteria for the

1:42:42licensing."

1:42:43Um you got to put an alley for licensing

1:42:46on it, too.

1:42:47>> They only have criminal investigations

1:42:49right?

1:42:50>> Right.

1:42:51>> And all the other places do these,

1:42:52right?

1:42:53>> Yes.

1:42:53>> Just behind the times, so

1:42:54>> That's right. They're behind the times.

1:42:56>> And then do they apply for every

1:42:58>> class, not class two,

1:43:01>> class two and three?

1:43:02>> class three,

1:43:03and fortune tellers.

1:43:05Okay. A class one license is a uh

1:43:10it's you have to have a franchise

1:43:11agreement with state board, and board

1:43:13has already vetted you cuz they're not

1:43:15going to let you take their name if

1:43:17you're

1:43:18>> Is not a fit.

1:43:18>> If you can't feel a vetted bad person.

1:43:20>> So, class two, class three,

1:43:22>> Yes, and fortune tellers.

1:43:26All right. With that being said, um

1:43:28we're going to go to the communication.

1:43:30Um

1:43:31A letter was

1:43:32delivered.

1:43:35>> It was sent here.

1:43:35>> Sent here for her.

1:43:38>> To me.

1:43:39>> And she's going to read it.

1:43:41>> I just want to read it into the

1:43:42microphone.

1:43:44It says to Janelle. I have a pool hall

1:43:46and license commission. Janelle, I am a

1:43:48former dancer at Boulevard Lounge in

1:43:51Brooklyn.

1:43:52I felt that I was forced to leave

1:43:54because I refused to have sex for money

1:43:57in the champagne rooms.

1:44:00I worked nights only and I can say that

1:44:02sex for money was going on in the

1:44:05private room rentals every hour that

1:44:07business was open.

1:44:09Do not bother contacting contacting the

1:44:12cops that work there.

1:44:14They date some of the girls and know

1:44:16everything that goes on there.

1:44:19Sometimes when we don't work, we had to

1:44:21walk for our cars and deal with drunken

1:44:23customers that were served too much and

1:44:27bothered us a lot.

1:44:29The cops let customers in

1:44:32after 1:00 to 2:00.

1:44:35If you do not believe me, here are some

1:44:37names of the dancers who sell their

1:44:39bodies

1:44:41for money and drugs.

1:44:43Angel, Marcella, Noelle, Amanda, Nivea.

1:44:48She sells to everyone.

1:44:50Those other ones I know for sure. During

1:44:52the day shift, there is Madison who is

1:44:54prostitute.

1:44:56Don't know who the others are.

1:44:58Maybe you people already know this and

1:45:00will do nothing. I am sending a copy to

1:45:03the mayor, the city council, and state

1:45:05police.

1:45:07I cannot tell you my name because the

1:45:09cops at the pub that

1:45:12might be out to find me.

1:45:15>> Where do you work? What What What What

1:45:16>> The place is called the What

1:45:18I'm sorry?

1:45:18>> You work at a place called the What

1:45:20>> It's called the Boulevard Lounge.

1:45:23>> What's that?

1:45:24>> It's called the Boulevard Lounge.

1:45:25>> It's that

1:45:26>> Frank's.

1:45:26>> [snorts]

1:45:27>> Frank's. The back side of Frank's is a

1:45:29strip club.

1:45:30>> Okay.

1:45:31>> Now, did we receive a letter a year ago

1:45:33or so about the same thing?

1:45:35>> Mhm. The call.

1:45:36>> The call.

1:45:38So, this is not

1:45:39>> Am I the only one that got this here?

1:45:42I'm the only one here. Nobody else got

1:45:43this.

1:45:44>> You want to

1:45:45You want to

1:45:46>> I'll give it to you, Kurt.

1:45:48>> We'll put it in their files.

1:45:49>> in the Yeah, in the record here.

1:45:51>> Do you want a copy of that?

1:45:53>> Yeah, he's just emailing me. I'll get

1:45:54it. So, is it Graham?

1:45:56From City Council, though.

1:46:00>> I sent it to the staff.

1:46:02>> Okay. How about a lot of other members

1:46:03of the council?

1:46:04>> City Council She said that

1:46:06>> Yeah, I don't I mean

1:46:08>> She said City Council got

1:46:10>> Yeah.

1:46:10>> She got some copies too.

1:46:12>> There were other councilors who had

1:46:13concerns here.

1:46:16>> There were others?

1:46:18Okay.

1:46:18>> Councilor Jack who

1:46:20asked me some things.

1:46:21>> Okay.

1:46:22>> All right. So,

1:46:23>> Thank you.

1:46:23>> Thank you. Um is there anything we can

1:46:25put on the back burner tonight?

1:46:27>> No.

1:46:27>> All right. Can I get a motion [snorts]

1:46:29to adjourn? Motion to adjourn.

1:46:30>> Second.

1:46:31>> All those in favor?

1:46:32>> All those opposed?

1:46:41>> [music]