2026-10-06 - Planning Board

00:07Good evening. U welcome to our uh

00:10Tuesday night planning board meeting. Um

00:13I'll um get this meeting kicked off with

00:15a quick roll call. Um Marty

00:19>> here.

00:21>> James,

00:24sorry James, you're muted.

00:29I do see your lips moving but it's not

00:31working. I'll come back to you. Matthew

00:35>> here.

00:37>> Yolando's here. James

00:41>> here. Can you hear me?

00:43>> Yep.

00:44>> Okay.

00:45>> And Tony will be joining us shortly. Um

00:48so yeah, we'll get started. Uh do I have

00:51a motion to approve last month's

00:53minutes? any

00:54>> motion to approve last month's minutes

00:58>> and the month that

01:01>> and then the month

01:02>> actually just on the motion uh motion to

01:05approve if I can retract my motion say

01:07motion to approve July and August

01:09minutes

01:10>> second

01:12>> right um uh Marty

01:15>> yes

01:17>> James

01:18>> yes

01:19>> Matthew

01:21>> yes

01:22>> and I'm a yes motion carries

01:25Great.

01:26So, we'll uh Tony's joining us right now

01:30and we'll actually give her the floor

01:32and take on the first item on the

01:34agenda.

01:36>> Good evening everyone. Thank you Yolanda

01:39for starting this off. Um

01:42we'll have to get that meeting invite

01:44kink worked out next month. So, I would

01:47I I did join and I guess I was just a

01:50attendee. Um did you already have accept

01:54the minutes from um July and August

01:56meetings.

01:57>> Yes, we did.

01:58>> Okay. All right. And so on the agenda

02:02this evening, we have an ANR for 6

02:05Jonathan Drive. We have an ANR for

02:07223261

02:09Thatcher Street. Um, we have a zoning

02:13amendment, a site plan site plan review

02:16for 331 Plain Street, site plan review

02:19for Leech A, and a site plan review for

02:21270 Oak Street. Um, first up we have 6

02:26Jonathan Drive, Representative Attorney

02:28Philip Nzarella.

02:33>> Moving him over now. Thank you.

02:54Attorney, are you there?

03:03You should be able to unmute your mic

03:06and speak.

03:07Uh

03:11or if there's anyone else here in

03:13attendees for this project, can you can

03:16use the raise your hand icon and I can

03:17uh move you over as well.

03:21>> Jen Price [clears throat] here, the

03:23applicant.

03:26>> I I don't think so. Um my impression is

03:31attorney Nazarella is supposed to be

03:33doing this. Let me try and promote him

03:36one more time.

03:38Oh, also looks like deputy chief got

03:41knocked back to panelists to attendees.

03:50Um

03:54not sure

03:56>> why Attorney Nessella can't join. Madam

03:58chair, um

03:59>> going to move on street until um he can

04:02join.

04:04>> Uh so for 223 to 261 Thatcher Street is

04:08attorney James Burke available please.

04:16Attorney Burke is rejoining as a

04:18panelist

04:22and um Attorney Narella, if you can hear

04:25me, if you're having an issue, you can

04:27email me and I'll figure out what's

04:28going on.

04:31>> Okay. Um

04:34there we are. Okay. Thank you very much,

04:36uh Madame Chairwoman and members of the

04:38planning board. uh what you have and

04:41I'll explain why [clears throat] the uh

04:44after a somewhat long process of funding

04:48uh the planning office of urban affairs

04:50is going to break ground on this project

04:53uh uh probably uh uh I would say in

04:57December or just after the first of the

04:59year. What uh they're they're seeking to

05:02do is it's going to be done in phases

05:04and the form A uh accomplishes two

05:09things. one, it separates the building

05:12in which the sisters currently now

05:14reside and that will be phase two uh and

05:18the rest of the property uh is phase

05:20one. So at the time of conveyance uh the

05:24building itself will not be conveyed.

05:27They have an option to exercise and will

05:29exercise that option but it's down the

05:32road. So in order to make that ability

05:35to close, that's why they're seeking

05:38your assistance and creating this form.

05:40A

05:49>> uh questions from planning board

05:51members.

05:56>> I do have a quick question. Are we are

05:59we voting on something? Are we just

06:01listening or I'm not quite sure what

06:03this case is all about.

06:07>> Yes.

06:07>> Want me to jump in? Yeah, I'll jump in.

06:08Um, this is another one of the approval

06:10not required. You as the board are

06:12making the determination whether this

06:15needs to be filed officially as a

06:18subdivision to the planning board or if

06:21it meets the criteria of an ANR and can

06:24just be uh signed off.

06:25>> I'm sorry, I was looking at number

06:27three. I thought we skipped this to move

06:29on to the second. My apologies.

06:31>> This is also an AN anr. There's there's

06:33two. Yeah, this is three.

06:34>> You're correct. We're on three. Um, can

06:38you just recap that again? Um, uh,

06:41Attorney Burke,

06:42>> I certainly will. Uh, the the entire

06:45property is been approved by the

06:48planning board uh for a development. uh

06:52that approve the construction actually

06:54has already commenced because there were

06:57improvements that were made to the site

06:59approximately a year ago. Uh the uh

07:03developer has a a kind of complex round

07:08of funding because it involves uh a a

07:13financing with low and moderate income

07:16of a certain percentage. uh that has uh

07:20been accomplished and they are now in a

07:23position to actually uh begin

07:25construction. I believe they've already

07:27secured a building permit to proceed.

07:30But uh the project has always been one

07:34in uh two phases. Uh the first phase is

07:37the large overall development that was

07:39approved. The second phase involved the

07:42convent house where the sisters

07:44currently live and continue to reside.

07:48The u uh conveyance in order to allow

07:52them to begin construction will only be

07:54of the lot 5-1

07:57as shown on the form a plan. The lot 5-2

08:03will remain as a separate parcel. They

08:06have a option to purchase will exercise

08:09that option of purchase and that will

08:11become phase two. So in order to allow

08:14the construction to act no in order to

08:16allow a conveyance so that the

08:18construction can begin it requires this

08:21form a

08:23>> okay so um just to clarify for the board

08:26members then um Evan we are um deciding

08:31if this should be filed as a subdivision

08:34or continue as a 40R

08:39>> so basically this is a it either

08:42qualifies ies as an ANR or it doesn't.

08:44It either meets the criteria for an ANR

08:47or not. Um so basically this is a going

08:50back to the other ones where you

08:51basically we're looking at the frontage

08:53and we're looking at if a road needs to

08:55be constructed. Thatcher Street exists

08:57and um the underlying zoning of this is

09:00an R1C which requires 175 ft of

09:03frontage. So as long as all the proposed

09:04lots meet that frontage, this qualifies

09:08as an ANR. Um, so I I've looked at it

09:12and there's I don't have any problems

09:14with this. And so you guys are just

09:15making the determination that yes, it's

09:16an ANR or no, it's not an ANR.

09:20Come back and refile this as a

09:22subdivision.

09:23>> All right. So it's just a confused

09:25because we don't have a staff report on

09:28this. Um, and should we be looking at a

09:30a a site plan to determine any of this

09:34or you feel comfortable with what you

09:36just presented to us that it it's

09:40there's no conflict or issue with it

09:42being an ANR?

09:44>> Uh, attorney Burke, do you have one that

09:45you want to share? So, I've looked at

09:46it. Uh, I'm feel comfortable that it's

09:48an ANR. I can pull one up real quick if

09:51you just want to take a look at it.

09:52>> Um,

09:55>> board members want to see one or do you

09:56have questions? I'd like to see one.

10:00>> Yeah. Matt Matt would like to see one.

10:02And no questions for Marty. James, any

10:04questions?

10:05>> No. No. I'm familiar with this project.

10:06There's no questions for me.

10:08>> Okay, good. And Yolanda,

10:10>> if you could pull it up real quick, Dad.

10:12>> Sure. One second.

10:14>> While I'm doing that, um, just uh, Matt,

10:17I think what may have caused the

10:19confusion earlier is that there was a

10:22last minute ANR that got added.

10:24>> The agenda switch. I figured that out

10:26after I went to three and we were still

10:27on an ANR and I figured out where the

10:29confusion was.

10:30>> There we go. Yep. So, hold on. This is

10:32Oh, no. Where are we? That street. Okay.

10:35So, [clears throat]

10:37here we go. This is just what Attorney

10:38Burke was talking about. This is the

10:40convent here. This is the whole rest of

10:42it. Basically, they're making two lots.

10:44Lot one down here, lot uh two up here.

10:48Uh Thatcher Street is a constructed

10:51road, so it meets that criteria. And

10:53then lot five uh five-2 here has 240

10:59feet of frontage and the big one back

11:02here has take your pick. But they're all

11:05over 175.

11:07So

11:08>> all right, good.

11:09>> It qualifies as an ANR.

11:12>> Yeah, I'd make a motion to approve.

11:14>> All right. Is there a second?

11:16>> Yes. Second.

11:17>> Okay. Roll call. Marty.

11:18>> Yes.

11:19>> Matthew?

11:20>> Yes.

11:21>> Yolando?

11:22>> Yes.

11:22>> James? Yes,

11:24>> Tony. Yes. Thank you, Attorney Burke.

11:26>> Oh, thank you. Thanks.

11:28>> Is uh Attorney Nazarella available?

11:32>> See, attorney Nazarella, can you hear me

11:35and unmute your mic and [snorts] just

11:37confirm?

11:38>> I can hear you.

11:40>> Okay, let me I'm going to try and

11:41promote you again.

11:43>> Let's see.

11:48>> If you can accept that and move over,

11:50awesome. If not, then we'll just have

11:52you talk from here.

11:54>> Yeah. I I have to um u open up by saying

11:59that my uh my reputation for being

12:02technically unsavvy is intact. So, I

12:06apologize for that.

12:08>> So, if you just want to talk from there,

12:09I'll pull up your plan and we can just

12:11do it that way.

12:12>> It'll only get better. How about that?

12:14>> Laugh for the record.

12:17Well, I have a uh a plan on six Jonathan

12:20Drive. It's a industrial zone. I have a

12:24lot of land which is well over 100,000

12:27square ft. And the owners are uh

12:30desiring to separate lot one from the

12:32remaining lot two of 78,000 square ft.

12:36Uh it meets the area lot size and a lot

12:38of the other dimensions. It's a it's on

12:40a public way.

12:42uh the um the division of land should

12:45not uh uh be exempted from the

12:49definition of subdivision. It's a very

12:51uh practical lot division and uh again

12:54physical access is available from public

12:57ways. So I appears to be rather

12:59straightforward uh and again it is an

13:01industrial use.

13:03>> Okay, any questions?

13:06Is there a motion?

13:07>> Yeah, I make a motion to approve.

13:09>> Second.

13:10>> All right, roll call. Marty,

13:11>> yes.

13:12>> Matthew,

13:13>> yes.

13:14>> James,

13:14>> yes.

13:15>> Yolando,

13:16>> yes.

13:17>> Tony, yes. Thank you, Attorney.

13:19>> Thank you. And uh my next appearance,

13:21I'll have a 14-year-old kid here to help

13:23me figure out this stuff.

13:24>> Hey, nothing wrong with that. They're

13:26the best teachers with this stuff.

13:28>> Thank you.

13:29>> You're welcome. Have a good evening.

13:30>> Thank you.

13:31>> Okay. Um, fourth on the agenda, zoning

13:35amendment, downtown Brockton Smart Road

13:37Overlay District, and we have attorney

13:39James Burke.

13:40>> All right. So, Madam Chair, I'll just

13:42give the board a quick update on this.

13:45Um, this was on the agenda for the

13:47ordinance committee and finance

13:49committee last night. Uh, over the past

13:51week or so, there's been multiple

13:53conversations between the applicants and

13:56the city uh about this. they are the

14:02the situation is still evolving. They're

14:04now going back to do a bunch of

14:05revisions. Um it was continued without

14:09discussion to the next meeting at both

14:10ordinance and uh finance last night. Uh

14:14so my recommendation to the board would

14:18be for you guys to also just push this

14:20off until the next meeting and talk

14:22about it then. Uh, attorney Burke is

14:26still here if you want to hear anything

14:27about it. But, um, I don't think this is

14:30necessarily ready any longer to be

14:34presented to the board yet.

14:36>> Okay.

14:37>> Madam, Madam Chair, if I could.

14:39>> Yes, please.

14:40>> So, I you know, like you had mentioned,

14:42Evan, I don't think we should I think we

14:44should all be updated on the details as

14:46it goes and not wait till the very end

14:47to get a presentation. I think maybe uh

14:50just a suggestion for the board is maybe

14:52hear what's going on and then we can

14:54delay our vote.

14:56>> Yeah, I'd agree with that, Jim.

14:58>> Sure.

15:00Uh any disagree? Anyone disagree with

15:02that?

15:03Okay, go for it.

15:05>> Attorney Burke, you're up. Uh the uh uh

15:11an ordinance change to expand the party

15:14district of the Corkran uh subd district

15:18uh was filed by uh two city councilors.

15:22Uh it in fact is a a a city planned

15:26zoning change uh that requires both the

15:29planning board's recommendation and

15:31ultimately the ordinance recommendation

15:33and approval. uh hopefully uh by the uh

15:37city council. Uh the uh property is the

15:42old colony Y property. Uh the old colony

15:46Y property uh for purposes of

15:50utilization as a modernday Y uh is

15:54unfortunately just dysfunctional. Uh you

15:58have uh one building that was

16:00constructed I believe in 1906

16:05uh and a newer building that was done

16:08sometimes in the 1940s.

16:11Uh the uh YMCA is of course going to

16:16stay in the city of Rockton. They are

16:18[clears throat] looking at uh a location

16:21that they are close to signing an

16:24agreement with. So that means this

16:26property becomes available uh for sale.

16:31Uh and the planning office of urban

16:34affairs who is also the entity that

16:36doing the development on that street uh

16:40is in the process of uh finalizing terms

16:43for its acquisition. Uh that will be of

16:46course subject to the zoning change. And

16:50what the plan would be for is to convert

16:53the in totality the area for residential

16:56housing. Uh there has been an some

16:59extreme confusion from some factors and

17:03some some

17:05uh individuals as to what the

17:09utilization is going to be. Uh it is an

17:12evolving one. So I I can't give you the

17:15final plans but it's a broad brush. It

17:18will contain uh traditional modern

17:21housing units uh with uh of course uh

17:26sleeping quarters um sanitary bathroom

17:29facilities and kitchen facilities. So

17:31it's going to be a residential unit. Uh

17:34the total number uh hasn't been uh

17:38finally determined. uh and it will uh as

17:43I said evolve and be presented to the

17:45planning, excuse me, to the ordinance

17:47committee and to the councils itself

17:50based on the revised terms. So that's

17:53the broad brush. Uh the it's the Y

17:56property that in fact is for sale uh and

18:00uh it will be uh exclusively used for

18:03residential reuse. uh and the final

18:07determination uh if it gets to that

18:09point comes back to you because you make

18:12the determination on uh 40 hours.

18:17>> Okay. Thank you. And Madam Chair, Madam

18:20Chair, could I just interrupt for a

18:21second?

18:22>> I am going to have to recuse myself from

18:24all of this. I work for the YMCA.

18:26>> Okay. Thank you. Um although Yeah, I

18:29guess that

18:31would relate. I thought it was if you

18:32had monetary value, but you worked

18:34there. Okay. Um, but we're not um voting

18:38tonight any way, so you can still listen

18:40in. But Attorney Burke, are you aware

18:43that um the fire department has concerns

18:46with the future plans as far as going

18:48down to

18:51>> I do and I and I I've had a lengthy

18:53discussion with Brendan Weekes

18:56as to what uh his perception was. And

18:59again, uh I understand the concern of

19:01the fire department. it it's not this

19:04project issue. It's the development in

19:07general throughout the downtown area uh

19:10and the concern uh of using on street

19:13parking and how it may affect to a

19:16degree uh the u uh ability uh to utilize

19:20their equipment. But that's something

19:22else that's evolving in terms of what

19:24the parking is going to be.

19:26>> Yeah. So, I had the opportunity to speak

19:28with him um directly. I think is uh

19:32deputy weeks here.

19:37Is he with us? I don't see can't see

19:39everybody.

19:40>> He is. he's uh turning his

19:42>> take a few minutes just um so the board

19:45um and community can hear some of your

19:48concerns and so the applicant and people

19:51involved in this overlay district can

19:54you know be aware, be proactive, start

19:56thinking about um how to uh prevent any

20:00public safety issues with the parking

20:01and not being able to you know bring in

20:04this emergency vehicles in case of need.

20:09>> Sure. So the the issue that we have

20:11obviously with this particular property

20:13but other similar projects going forward

20:15is that um a general rule of thumb

20:18that's always been followed by zoning is

20:20one car per bedroom. And um the

20:24potential for the amount of bedrooms or

20:27andor units depending on how you

20:28describe it in this particular project

20:31is substantial. Um although

20:33statistically speaking some of these

20:35type of projects don't have um you know

20:39statistics would suggest that not every

20:41unit has a car and not every occupant

20:43has a car but there's no way to prevent

20:46a person from having a car. So if a

20:49project is built and let's just for a

20:51simple number say there's 50 units in it

20:53then you know there may one day be 50

20:55cars associated with that property. And

20:58I feel that in order to not limit

21:01apparatus access not just to that

21:04building but to the whole neighborhood

21:06um we shouldn't lighten parking

21:08restrictions um especially in the

21:10downtown area which is already

21:12congested. I'm sure all of us um having

21:14lived and worked in Brockton for years

21:16would agree that uh 20 years ago if you

21:18drove down the street there weren't a

21:21lot of cars parked on the curb at night.

21:23Now there's parking everywhere. People

21:24are parked on lawns. Um, there's

21:27complaints by businesses about people

21:28parking in their in their business lots

21:30overnight. The curbs are crowded. People

21:32are now parking to the corners. They're

21:34parking in front of hydrants. And I just

21:37don't want to exasperate that problem.

21:39Um, even just leaving the aesthetics out

21:42of it. Just the simple access issues of

21:44of turning a a a 62,000lb ladder truck

21:48onto a street at night to make access to

21:51a building. if cars are parked the wrong

21:53way that it's not a matter of, oh well,

21:55they'll ticket them, they get towed.

21:57When we need to make that turn, when we

21:59need to get in front of that building or

22:01make get into a parking lot, we need to

22:02do it right then and there. And um I

22:05just want to protect our access not just

22:07to these buildings, but to the

22:08neighborhoods that surround them as

22:10well.

22:12>> Very important information. Thank you

22:13for sharing.

22:15>> Um so we're just going to continue this

22:17to

22:18>> Madam Chair, if I could ask a question.

22:20Sure.

22:22>> Um, so just to kind of sum this up, the

22:25the YMCA is relocating, correct? They're

22:28leaving that location. Okay.

22:30>> But they do plan on staying in

22:31>> Brockton 100% without question.

22:33>> Okay. And and this is being repackaged

22:36for the YMCA to sell it to an to a

22:38current buyer, which might be pending

22:40approvals.

22:42>> That is also accurate.

22:43>> Okay.

22:44>> Yes.

22:45>> All right. No, that's that's all all I

22:47want. you're se I just want to know this

22:49the Y is completely separating from this

22:51development and it'll stand alone that's

22:53it

22:54>> okay

22:54>> thank you madam chair

22:56>> thank you uh anyone else sorry before I

23:00continue this to a further date okay so

23:04what are we proposing for the next date

23:06Evan or Elijah who has that answer

23:10>> just continue it off to the November

23:12meeting

23:13>> okay and do we need a motion for that

23:16>> yes do you want Uh, a motion to

23:18continue.

23:19>> All right. To the

23:20>> motion to continue to second.

23:23>> Okay. Roll call. Yolando.

23:25>> Yes.

23:25>> Matthew.

23:26>> Yes.

23:27>> James.

23:28>> Yes.

23:29>> Tony. Yes. Okay. We left Marty because

23:32she works for the Y, I guess, right?

23:34>> Yes. Correct.

23:35>> And um just

23:37>> specifically for the Y. This is more for

23:39the overlay district. And uh Madam

23:41Chair, just um uh for the general

23:43public, just a reminder that the uh

23:46planning board meeting for the month of

23:47November uh is on Wednesday, November

23:504th.

23:52>> Thank you. Election time. Okay, so next

23:56up we have

23:59331 Plain Street, an ADU. And is Donald

24:04a model here?

24:08>> Yes. Uh,

24:11and Don, I just got your email as well.

24:14Um, you're in attendees right now.

24:15That's why you can't unmute your mic.

24:18However, uh, you should be able to speak

24:21now. I see Kevin's moved over here.

24:23Kevin, will you be able to share the

24:25screen and the, uh, plans?

24:28>> Yes, sir.

24:29>> Okay.

24:31So, Donnie, you should be able to um, at

24:35least speak now. You might not be able

24:36to see yourself, but we can hear you if

24:39you talk

24:40>> and Kevin will share the plans and then

24:41it's up uh you guys can take it from

24:43here.

24:45>> All right. Thank Thank you very much,

24:46Evan. Uh my name is Kevin Davis. I'm a

24:48PE with ET Engineering representing our

24:50client um Donaldo. Um this is for 331

24:55Plain Street. It's an existing

24:57residential home. This is a site plan

24:59review. Um the proposed development is

25:03actually within the confines of the

25:05existing structure. So this residential

25:08home, we're not expanding uh planning on

25:10doing any expansions, no bumpouts, uh no

25:13change in the footprint. Um we after the

25:17technical review with Evan, we added a

25:19few things um which I will highlight on

25:22this residential property for your

25:24interest. The um property itself is

25:26accessed by Plain Street on the

25:28northerly side. Um, again, it's an

25:31existing residential home. Um, there was

25:34an expanded pavement area, a patio added

25:37in the rear, and a basketball court

25:39added prior to this back in 2009, 2010,

25:43and 2019.

25:45We have met with conservation

25:48um and has since meeting added some

25:51compensatory storage and other um

25:53documents and um information they were

25:56looking for. Uh so what we're looking

25:59from the planning board and I'll let

26:01Evan of course expound on that is is

26:04hopefully approval with a condition that

26:07um it's contingent on conservation

26:11approval which should be at their next

26:12meeting in a few weeks. Um but again

26:16we're not looking to do any expansion

26:18outside the existing footprint of the

26:20residential home. Um and I don't have

26:24too much more to to discuss. Um but more

26:27than happy to to answer any questions

26:29regarding uh the proposed ADU or any of

26:32the aperture work.

26:36>> Okay. A and uh just for information,

26:40>> what type of conditions um

26:42>> do you think are coming from the

26:44conservation commission? Um maybe that's

26:46for Evan to answer. Are there concerns

26:49or

26:51>> none that I'm aware of? Um uh Evan had I

26:55think you had a conversation um with

26:57Kyle. Um

26:59>> yeah, I can jump in real quick if you'd

27:01like. Um thank you. Yeah, Kyle, our

27:02conservation agent. So basically what

27:04happened um as Kevin said, this entire

27:06thing is uh internal to they're not

27:09changing the footprint at all. So there

27:11was basically no issue. However, during

27:12the tech review stage um they were

27:15requested to add a second egress

27:17external stairway. Uh so for honestly

27:21for planning board purposes it really

27:24doesn't affect anything. However, since

27:27there this is I believe this is located

27:29in a flood zone just that correct

27:31>> little bit of an external uh stairway.

27:34Well, even though it doesn't really

27:35affect anything projectwise, will

27:37trigger a few additional reviews at the

27:40conservation

27:41stage, which is now extending that

27:44process a little bit further than its

27:46original anticipated completion date.

27:49Therefore, uh that's going to extend a

27:51little bit beyond the planning board

27:53stage, which usually happens last.

27:56Therefore, uh we're recommending that

27:58the board, if they approve it, to just

28:00again, as Kevin said, condition this, uh

28:03contingent on receiving that order of

28:04conditions from the conservation

28:06commission. Uh like I said, I spoke with

28:08Kyle, our conservation agent. He has no

28:10issues with that at all. That seems to

28:12be uh you know, everyone's happy with

28:13that solution.

28:16>> Okay.

28:18All right.

28:19>> M could I ask a question?

28:21>> Sure. Um, Evan, you're doing this in

28:24order that we don't have to hold them up

28:26on the other end.

28:28>> Yeah, pretty much.

28:30>> They don't have to come back.

28:31>> Yeah. Basically, otherwise, what would

28:33happen here is um you guys would

28:35probably vote to continue this until

28:38they completed that conservation process

28:43uh for them just to come back and say,

28:45"Okay, hey, it's done." And then you

28:46vote to approve or not. Uh so there's

28:49really not any reason

28:51like practical reason to do that for the

28:54most part. Uh so correct, this is just

28:57to kind of keep them, you know, not

28:58getting caught up in the process and

28:59delayed for a month or two extra for no

29:02reason.

29:04>> So Evan, can you hear me? Can you guys

29:05hear me?

29:06>> Yes.

29:06>> Yes.

29:07>> This is Donnie. I'm sorry. Uh how's

29:10everybody doing? Uh Evan, quick

29:12question. Um, I know we keep saying

29:14contingent, contingent, but I had

29:16several conversations with Kyle and he

29:18was making it sound like to me that as

29:20soon as I get approved, I can go to the

29:23the next step, which I think is

29:25permanent and this really didn't have

29:27anything to do with conservation.

29:29>> Um, yeah, I can answer that, Donnie.

29:31Originally, it didn't until you had to

29:34add that external stairway. That's what

29:36kind of threw a wrench into it. That's

29:39also why we don't want to keep you

29:41caught up here because you really

29:43shouldn't have been caught up

29:45originally. Um, so we didn't want to

29:47throw you a curveball at the LA, you

29:48know, right before the finish line.

29:50>> Um,

29:51>> so it's it should this shouldn't really

29:53affect anything on your end pretty much

29:57at all because you can't get a building

29:58permit before conservation is done

30:00anyways. It's just for you not to get,

30:03you know, caught in the carousel of the

30:05planning board stage for something

30:07that's kind of out of everyone here's

30:10control.

30:14>> All right. Any other questions?

30:17Is there a motion?

30:18>> I make a motion to approve with whatever

30:21that you said it was, Evan,

30:24[laughter]

30:25>> and the conservation conditions.

30:27>> Yeah. Right.

30:28>> Okay.

30:29>> I'll say

30:31Maybe you want maybe we want to rephrase

30:34the motion.

30:35>> I say yeah. Yeah. Can can someone just

30:37read it please off the staff report just

30:39to make my life easier. Thank you.

30:41>> So it's going she's making a motion um

30:44that the fi final approvals continue on

30:46receiving an order of conditions from

30:48the conservation commission. Is there a

30:50second?

30:51>> Second.

30:52>> Okay. Roll call. Yolando.

30:54>> Yes.

30:55>> James.

30:56>> Yes.

30:56>> Marty.

30:57>> Yes.

30:58>> Matt.

30:59>> Yes. Tony. Yes.

31:01>> Thank you, Tony.

31:03>> You're welcome.

31:04>> Thank you all. It's a pleasure.

31:06>> Pleasure to Thank you.

31:08>> Thank you, everybody.

31:09>> Next, we have a site plan review for

31:11road extension on Leech. Um, the

31:13applicant is Juan Prochez and Scott

31:16Farrier

31:18is our

31:21speaker. Is he here? Hi, Scott.

31:24>> Good evening, Madam Chair. Good evening,

31:26board members. Uh Scott Farri Homegrren

31:29Engineering

31:30>> representing Juan Trochez. Uh one has a

31:34project

31:37that I will

31:39share.

31:46There we go.

31:47>> Voila. See how easy that is, Scott.

31:50[laughter]

31:51>> Thank you, Madam Chair. So, uh Mr.

31:54Protes has property on Leech. Uh Lee Jav

31:58is across the street from South Junior

32:00High. Uh it's a dead-end street

32:04currently. In 2017, the planning board

32:06voted to uh to issue a a site plan

32:09approval to extend Lee Jav just about up

32:12to Mr. Troche's uh property and allowed

32:15these four houses here on Leech to be

32:17built uh by a different developer

32:20entirely. So Mr. Trochaz would like to

32:22extend Leechav with the exact same

32:25construction standards uh that are there

32:27currently uh including uh Cape Cod Burm

32:31concrete sidewalk on the north side of

32:33the road uh and also extend the water

32:36man and the sewer main in order to gain

32:39frontage and access for these two lots

32:41uh which hopefully after your approval

32:44we will then be able to go to the zoning

32:46board of appeals and receive a variance

32:48to build on these two lots. So, your

32:50approval is really the first step in uh

32:52allowing Mr. Trochez to build these two

32:55uh these two homes. Uh we went to tech

32:58review about a month ago. We had a few

33:00comments. Uh we had one comment from the

33:03engineering department about adding a uh

33:05some storm water treatment on our

33:08drainage facility, which we've done.

33:11The PL planning department asked us to

33:13plant some street trees uh that would

33:15block our two new homes from the uh from

33:18the South Junior High parking area which

33:20is over in in this side. And then both

33:23the DPW and Deputy Chief Weekes asked if

33:26we could tie our water man into the

33:29existing looped water man that goes uh

33:32behind South Junior High, which I'm kind

33:35of showing you in this area here. So,

33:36South Junior High is really off of my

33:38page, but currently there's a looped

33:40water man uh that goes around the

33:42facility. Deputy Chief Weeks requested

33:44that we tie into that uh into that

33:47existing water man with our water line.

33:49Uh so, those are the uh the changes we

33:52made as a result of tech review. As I

33:54said, it's uh it's site plan approval,

33:56Madam Chair, and that will allow us to

33:57get in front of the board of appeals to

33:59to build these two new homes.

34:02Well, thank you for being so cooperative

34:04adding the additional shade shade trees

34:06and what the fire department wanted.

34:08Extra hydrant. Um, very good. I don't

34:12have a question. Other board members.

34:16>> Is this open to public?

34:20Sure. If any members of the public would

34:22like to comment on this project, just

34:23please use the raise your hand icon.

34:25You'll be allowed to speak.

34:29Uh, don't see any tickers. Madam Chair,

34:32>> is there a motion?

34:34>> Motion to approve with standard

34:36conditions.

34:37>> Second.

34:37>> Second.

34:38>> All right. Roll call. James,

34:40>> yes.

34:41>> Marty,

34:41>> yes.

34:42>> Yolando,

34:43>> yes.

34:44>> Matt,

34:45>> yes.

34:46>> Tony, yes. Thank you, Scott.

34:48>> All right. Thank you, folks. Have a good

34:49night.

34:50>> You too.

34:51>> Scott.

34:52>> Last on the agenda, we have a site plan

34:54review for 270 Oakill Way.

34:57Lou [clears throat]

34:58Saratino is the applicant and we have

35:01MBL land development and permitting

35:03permitting corp. I've not heard of this

35:05representative who's speaking on behalf

35:07of this applicant.

35:08>> Yes, whoever. Uh there we go. Tracy.

35:12Tracy is coming over. And if there's

35:15anyone else here as part of Tracy's team

35:18that will be helping with the

35:19presentation, please raise your hand as

35:21well. We can move you over. Uh, Evan,

35:24Jim Burke, and I I'm on this myself.

35:27>> Attorney Burke as well. Okay. Is it just

35:28the two of you?

35:29>> I believe the applicant, Lou Tarantino,

35:31is supposed to be on the call.

35:32>> Um, well, I don't I don't see him here.

35:36Uh, but I guess if he shows up, we'll

35:40let him talk. Other than that, I guess

35:43it's all you guys.

35:45>> Sounds good. Is it okay if I share?

35:47Absolutely.

35:58Can you see the screen?

36:00>> Yes.

36:01>> So, for the record, I'm Tracy Dart. I'm

36:03the director of engineering of MBL Land

36:05Development. We have attorney James

36:07Burke here, and we're here on behalf of

36:08the applicant Lou Tarantino of LJDE LLC.

36:12Um, this [clears throat] project's

36:14located at parcel 119

36:1615, which is at the end of Oak Hill Way,

36:19and it's for the proposed EOS

36:21headquarters and vehicle maintenance

36:22facility.

36:30So, just to give you an idea about where

36:31the project is, this is Oak Hill Way.

36:33We're located at the very end of Oakill

36:35Way. The property consists of a 29 acre

36:38parcel in Brockton as well as an 8 acre

36:41parcel in West Bridgewater. This is the

36:42West Bridgewater town line right here.

36:45Um, and it's abudded by the wastewater

36:47treatment plant, UPS to the north, um,

36:50the Fall River, New Bedford Rail Line to

36:52the east, and the town of West

36:53Bridgewater to the south.

36:59I'm not going to go into too much detail

37:01about the permitting history. Um, but

37:03the project has previously been approved

37:05in Brockton in West Bridgewater Planning

37:07Conservation um for full site

37:09development. Um, and those approvals had

37:12been extended over time, but because of

37:14the substantial change in work that

37:15we're doing now, we're seeking a a new

37:17site plan approval. And we also just got

37:19a new order of conditions uh with

37:21Conservation Commission.

37:32This is our index sheet, but it gives a

37:33good overview of the site. So, here's

37:35Oakill Way. This is the portion of work

37:38in Brockton. And then this is the

37:40portion of work in West Bridgewater that

37:41we just permitted in West Bridgewater.

37:48So this is our existing conditions plan.

37:51So I just wanted to point out the

37:52portions of work. Um some work was

37:55constructed under those prior approvals

37:57and that consisted of the crossing over

38:00the Edson Brook. So it was an open

38:01bottom culvert. I attached a photo here

38:03so you can see what it looks like. The

38:05paved driveway to come in. They

38:07installed the driveway, but they never

38:08paved it. Um, and they also already

38:11constructed the retaining walls on

38:12either side of the site entrance. So,

38:15most of that work uh within the

38:16riverfront area and buffer zone was

38:18already constructed except for the

38:20pavement being installed on top of the

38:21road.

38:26And this is the rest of the existing

38:27conditions inside the site. So the other

38:29work that was already constructed as

38:30part of the prior approvals um was the

38:33installation of this gravel driveway and

38:36the water and sewer services. Those were

38:38already installed over the crossing and

38:40into the site.

38:49>> So here's our proposed site layout. So

38:52it consists of the construction of a

38:5419,700

38:56square ft building. It's going to serve

38:58as the EOS corporate office as well as

39:00for their vehicle maintenance. Um

39:02there's also a proposed uh 22,950

39:06ft uh future leasable area that's not

39:09going to get constructed at this time,

39:10but it was incorporated into drainage

39:12calculations as being impervious. So

39:14everything is sized to handle that when

39:15that's fully built out.

39:20Uh we have associated parking uh which

39:22goes with the office and warehouse space

39:24in this building as well as uh fire

39:27truck turnaround. Um oh and one thing I

39:31apologize I forgot to mention is that

39:33two drainage basins were already

39:34constructed as part of that prior

39:36approval. So those are shown here in

39:38blue.

39:46So this is our proposed grading plan. So

39:48grading uh was designed so that the site

39:51is directed impervious areas are

39:53directed to those two existing drainage

39:55areas and a portion of the site uh this

39:58eastern portion as well as the roof

39:59runoff are directed to a drainage basin

40:02that's located in West Bridgewater. Um

40:04so that's something that we've been

40:05permitting in West Bridgewater. We've

40:06already gotten approval from

40:07conservation and storm water. Um and

40:10that basin [clears throat] was actually

40:11part of the prior approval too.

40:18This is a site utility plan. Again, the

40:22existing uh water and sewer are already

40:24installed. So, we're tying off of that

40:26from our proposed building. We are

40:28installing an oil water separator, and

40:31that's going to capture all the um the

40:33floor drains inside the building, the

40:35runoff from that.

40:37And we're we are proposing new uh

40:40electric and gas to come in from Oak

40:42Hill Way because that was not installed

40:44as part of the prior approval.

40:51This is a proposed landscaping plan

40:53where we've provided some landscaping

40:54around the proposed parking area in the

40:57building.

41:02And then one thing we added uh after we

41:04met with uh tech review is they asked

41:07about site usage and they were looking

41:09for site usage pre and post plan. Um and

41:12that's because there's some existing

41:13stock piles and storage areas that are

41:15being used at the site now. Um and there

41:18was question of where are those going to

41:19go once the building's installed and the

41:21pavement's installed. So these are the

41:23existing areas um which you can see the

41:25different stockpile locations. There's

41:27some dumpster storage uh and stock piles

41:30around the site. And what we've done is

41:32we've laid them out around the proposed

41:35building and kept them outside of the

41:37100 foot buffer zone. So this is the

41:39proposed uh site usage plan with those

41:42locations of the stock piles and storage

41:44areas and where they're going.

41:51And this is just an architectural

41:52rendering so you can see what the

41:53proposed building is going to look like.

41:55metal building with um cement block at

41:58the bottom.

42:02And I believe that's it. I'm happy to

42:04answer any questions.

42:06>> Thank you, Tracy. Um I I really do not I

42:10see that you've gone through a lot of

42:13tech review and external review. Any

42:15other any questions from board members?

42:17>> I do. Uh Madame Chair is I guess just

42:21some basic stuff. Um, is there a a a

42:25green compliance with this with how much

42:28you the layout leading up to the

42:29building, stuff like that? I know it's

42:32very secluded, but is there any is there

42:35anything in those regards?

42:36>> No, there's actually No, but there is

42:38less cover, impervious cover proposed

42:40than what was under the prior approval

42:42that was still current.

42:44>> It's wooded surrounded. Correct.

42:46>> Correct. Yeah.

42:47>> Okay. And the site was already cleared

42:49up to the limits of work from the prior

42:51approval.

42:52So all this work is going to be located

42:54within that previously cleared area.

42:56>> Okay.

42:58>> And I did hear you speak to some type of

43:00drainage area you had added

43:05>> a drainage area.

43:07>> No, greens.

43:08>> Oh, there's just a little bit of

43:09landscaping. I can go back around the

43:11the building and the landscaped islands.

43:13>> Yeah.

43:15I I guess another question I would have

43:17is just like turning radius for um fire

43:21apparatus to get through there and what

43:24what that pull up driveway layout may

43:27look like just I I didn't see it see

43:30much

43:31I have the full site plan set attached

43:33give me one sec. We did do a firet truck

43:35turning plan and we provided that um as

43:37part of the plan set.

43:55Oh, here we go.

43:57So we used um this Brockton ladder truck

44:00dimensions that we had gotten and then

44:03this is the turning movement here.

44:06Okay.

44:07>> So it comes all the way. Yeah. Thank

44:10you.

44:10>> Yeah.

44:17>> Okay. So to turn around you've got to go

44:20all the way to the back.

44:22>> Yeah. I mean, there's there's adequate

44:23in here if it has to get into the West

44:25Bridgewater portion of the site. Um, and

44:27the intent is if this future remaining

44:29leasable area to get were to get

44:31constructed, which they'd have to go for

44:32site plan approval, we left this 20ft

44:35fire access, you know, it ends here, but

44:37the intent would be for that to extend

44:38and connect to this paved area.

44:44>> That's all I've got. Thank you, Madam

44:46Chair.

44:46>> All right. Thank you, James. Any other

44:48questions?

44:49>> No, me, Madam Chair. I'm good.

44:51Okay. Um, open for public comment.

44:56>> Any members of the public would like to

44:58comment on this project, please use the

44:59raise your hand icon. You will be

45:01allowed to speak.

45:03>> Um, I do not see any hands going up,

45:05Madam Chair.

45:06>> All right. Is there a motion?

45:12>> Motion to approve with standard

45:13conditions.

45:14>> Thank you, James.

45:15>> Second.

45:16>> All right. Thank you, Marty. Roll call.

45:18Marty,

45:18>> yes. James,

45:20>> yes.

45:22>> Yes.

45:22>> Matthew,

45:24>> yes.

45:25>> Tony, yes. All right. Thank you, Tracy.

45:28>> Thank you very much.

45:30>> Thank you very much.

45:30>> Good evening.

45:31>> Um, any other business? Thank you,

45:33Attorney Burke. Any other business?

45:37>> Okay. Is there a motion to adjurnn?

45:39>> Motion to adjourn.

45:41>> Second.

45:42>> Roll call. Marty,

45:43>> yes.

45:44>> James,

45:45>> yes.

45:46>> Matthew,

45:47>> yes. Rolando.

45:49>> Yes.

45:49>> Tony, yes.

45:51>> All right.

45:52>> We'll have things for uh you guys to

45:54sign next week, but I'll send something

45:56out when they're ready for through you

45:58to come in and do so.

45:59>> All right. Sounds good. Thank you.

46:01>> Thanks, everyone. Thanks, everyone.