2026-10-06 - Planning & Zoning

00:00and zoning commission. I'm going to call

00:01the meeting to order. Dave, uh, sorry,

00:04Brandon, can you please call the role?

00:06>> Sure thing. Commissioner Magcguire

00:09>> here.

00:09>> Commissioner Locks

00:10>> here.

00:11>> Commissioner Calls.

00:13>> Okay. Commissioner Bougie

00:15>> here.

00:16>> Commissioner Goodrich

00:17>> here. And we are appointing

00:21vice

00:23vice chairlinsky

00:25is

00:27chair Wowski.

00:28>> Wowski is here. Okay, we're appointing

00:31>> two.

00:33>> Well, you didn't call um

00:35>> Oh, I'm moving

00:36>> alternate commissioner.

00:39>> I think you just call

00:41>> commissioner alternate commissioner.

00:45>> No. Alternate commissioner

00:48>> here.

00:49>> Okay.

00:51And alternate commissioner Scott

00:53>> present. Thank you.

00:56>> One more.

00:57>> One more. One more. Alternate

00:58Commissioner Car

00:59>> here.

01:00>> Okay. Um, with that we have a quorum. I

01:04heard from Commissioners

01:06Kohl's, Chaplinsky, and FOD. They won't

01:10be here. Um, in place of Commissioner

01:13Chaplinsky, I will be seating uh

01:15Commissioner Zeleleski. Um, can we

01:18please rise for the pledge of

01:19allegiance?

01:24Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the

01:26United States of America and to the

01:28republic for which it stands. One nation

01:31under God, indivisible, with liberty and

01:34justice for all. We please remain

01:36standing for a moment of silent

01:37reflection.

01:45>> Thank you. Please be seated.

01:51>> Okay, Steve, could I intervene? Um, you

01:54didn't read for Caleb

01:57a person to

01:58>> Oh, I'm sorry. All right. All right. And

02:00for Commissioner Kohl's, um, we will see

02:04Commissioner K tonight.

02:06>> Is that right?

02:07>> What was last time?

02:10>> Is it Do we all

02:12>> Commissioner Scott? I'm I'm just I want

02:14to be fair.

02:14>> Yeah.

02:15>> Okay. We'll see Commissioner Scott

02:18for Commissioner Kohl's. Thank you.

02:22Thank you, Sue.

02:23>> Yep.

02:25>> I'm still warming up to this thing.

02:27>> I know, right? [laughter]

02:28>> Okay. Um All right. With that, um I'm

02:33looking for an approval of the minutes.

02:35Commissioner Goodidge.

02:39>> Uh I'll make a motion to approve the

02:42minutes

02:43>> from September 15th

02:44>> from the regular meeting of September

02:4615, 2026.

02:48>> I have a motion to have a second.

02:49Commissioner Locks with a second. All in

02:52favor?

02:52>> I.

02:53>> Okay. Uh, Commissioner discussion,

02:56subcommittee reports. Um, I'd like to

02:59move forward with um our idea to create

03:03a subcommittee for affordable housing.

03:06Um, I've appointed Commissioner Bougie

03:09as the chair of that commission uh or

03:13excuse me, subcommittee. Um, and with

03:17that, the goals of that subcommittee are

03:19going to be to work with the town staff,

03:22the town planner, the assistant town

03:24planner, and other staff to locate um

03:29areas that are desirable for affordable

03:32housing and um ways that we can possibly

03:36improve our affordable housing stock

03:39moving forward. taking advantage

03:42advantage of some um things that just

03:45might be available to us that we haven't

03:48thought about. So um I think it's it's

03:52in our best interest to to get ahead of

03:54this. The only way we're going to get to

03:5510% is to increase the number um where

04:00you know when we have developments

04:02coming through um you know we get a

04:05couple here, a couple there and we're

04:06just we're just treading waters. So um

04:08at the rate we're going we're not going

04:10to get there. So Brandon, I I look

04:12forward to your participation in that.

04:14Um if if Dennis has contacted you to be

04:17a part of it, I I thank you for your

04:20involvement. And uh Dennis, did you want

04:22to say anything?

04:24>> Yeah. Oh, well, you said most of it. So

04:26I did contact Brandon to see and Sue and

04:30a couple other people to see if they

04:32wanted to to join. Uh we're almost

04:35there. I think we almost have all the

04:36members we need. Uh I look forward to

04:39working on it. It's a issue that I'm

04:41passionate about. I was on the

04:43Southernington Housing Authority for

04:44three years, so I think I have a very

04:46good understanding about the affordable

04:48housing and the need for it in the town.

04:52>> Thank you.

04:52>> Thanks, Dennis. I I think it's going to

04:54be helpful for us um to try to maybe

04:59facilitate some projects versus, you

05:01know, waiting for them to come to us and

05:04um you know, not always be on the

05:07receiving end of of what we may not

05:10think is a good project. Um and watch it

05:13reverse engineered in front of our eyes.

05:15Um so with that, I'll I'll stop. Um, at

05:18this point I'd like to recognize uh

05:21Commissioner Scott. Uh, I he's got an

05:25idea and I'd like to like to hear a

05:26little bit about what you have in mind

05:28there, sir.

05:28>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, so my proposal

05:31is for a subcommittee on data center

05:33construction. Um, basically uh we've

05:36seen uh stories of municipalities uh not

05:39having anything on the books as far as

05:41legalities or anything in their

05:42charters. Um and then the when the town

05:45or the municipality decides we don't

05:47want this, uh the the developers sitting

05:50on mountains of money have sued those

05:51municipalities and sort of bulldoze

05:52those data centers in. Um so the goal

05:55would be to

05:58the easy answer is to say we're putting

06:00a moratorum in until there are some

06:02regulations or just an outright ban. Uh

06:04but I think the more prudent measure

06:06would be to set up a framework of

06:09requirements that a developer would need

06:11to meet. uh that would be in the

06:13interest of the town. Um and that

06:16that would uh that would address things

06:19like where does the power come from? Uh

06:21how do they how do they address cooling?

06:24Um and you know who's responsible for

06:26deconstruction should it ever be

06:27deconstructed. Um so um long way around

06:30it, but the goal is to have something on

06:33the books possibly in the town charter

06:35that says this is these are the

06:36requirements you need to meet uh to put

06:38a data center here in Sington.

06:40>> All right. I would I would

06:42suggest u and Brandon you may agree with

06:45me on this is that maybe not so much in

06:47the town charter but in the zoning

06:48regulations right

06:50>> agreed

06:51>> yeah it's something I've already

06:52considered um had a similar situation

06:55where it caught uh Bristol by surprise

06:58when one was proposed so it's always

07:00great to get ahead of these things uh

07:02and Mr. Mr. Chair, if we can backtrack

07:03and get a formal motion for the uh

07:06formation of the affordable housing

07:08subcommittee, I think that might be

07:09beneficial.

07:10>> Uh yes, you are correct. Um

07:14I would like to make a motion to

07:18start up a subcommittee for affordable

07:21housing.

07:22>> Second. I have a f motion. Do I have a

07:25second?

07:25>> Second.

07:26>> Second from Justin. All in favor?

07:30>> I I

07:31>> All right. Thank you.

07:35>> Procedures.

07:39>> Okay. Um,

07:42anything else you'd like to add?

07:44>> Um, yeah, just, uh, you know, I've I've

07:47been doing I hate to use this phrase,

07:48but I've been doing my own research. Uh,

07:50no, I've I've gotten some stories

07:52together and, uh, just trying to find

07:54some numbers around how to how to cool

07:56things and whatnot, just different

07:57things. So, I'd be happy to share that.

07:58I'd be happy to put a full proposal

07:59together. I'd be happy to lead the

08:01commission, the subcommittee. So,

08:02>> okay. I I think um that we all seem to

08:06be on the same page and I will have a

08:08conversation with with yourself and with

08:11Brandon and we'll figure out how to what

08:13the next best step is to move forward on

08:15that. So, thank you. Thank you for

08:16bringing that to our attention. It it

08:18makes sense because the last thing we

08:20want to do is be unprepared for an

08:23application that may may or may not

08:26come.

08:27>> So, thank you. Um, chairman's comments.

08:30Uh, I at this point I have none. I think

08:32we've covered covered some good stuff

08:34here. Um, we're going to move into item

08:36nine, public hearings. Um, item A,

08:39lovely development, special permit

08:41application to construct an age

08:43restricted 55 plus community property

08:45located at 310 Buckland Street. And this

08:48is zone R205,

08:51arch zone. This is SPU731.

08:55And before if you'll bear with me for

08:58one second, Sev, um I do see there's

09:00some folks from the public here that I'd

09:02like to just read the meeting rules and

09:05guidelines. So, good evening and welcome

09:08to tonight's Southernington and Planning

09:10and Zoning Commission. My name is Steve

09:11Wowski, chair of the commission. I would

09:14like to take a few moments to explain

09:15the meeting format. Aside from

09:18administrative items which you just

09:20witnessed, tonight's meeting is

09:21comprised of two [clears throat] parts.

09:23the public hearing and a business

09:24meeting. During the public hearing, the

09:27applicant will present the application

09:28to us in detail, which will allow the

09:31commission members and the public the

09:33opportunity to better understand what is

09:35being proposed. The commission members

09:37may ask questions during the

09:38presentation if needed. Then we will ask

09:43members of the public who support or

09:44oppose the application to speak. If you

09:47wish to speak, please raise your hand

09:49and wait to be recognized by the chair.

09:51Once recognized, come forward to the

09:53podium and state your name and address

09:56for the record. Please address all

09:58comments directly to the chair and not

10:00to the applicant or other members of the

10:03public. Be advised, this is your

10:05opportunity to ask questions and make

10:07comments on the application because once

10:09the public hearing is closed, no

10:12additional testimony from the public or

10:14the applicant applicant will be

10:16permitted.

10:18It is important to maintain order and

10:20decorum at all times. You will have

10:23three minutes to speak and you must stay

10:26on topic. After everyone has had a full

10:29opportunity to speak, all questions have

10:31been answered and all information has

10:33been received. Well, we we will decide

10:36whether it is appropriate to close the

10:38hearing. We will not consider voting on

10:41the application until the business

10:42meeting. During the business meeting, we

10:45will deliberate on the applications

10:47submitted

10:49to the commission and how to act on

10:50them. The commission may approve the

10:53application as submitted, approve it

10:55with stipulations, conditions, or

10:57modifications,

10:59table action for a future meeting, or in

11:01some cases deny the application. Four

11:04affirmative votes of the commission are

11:06generally required to approve any

11:08application. If you have to leave the

11:10meeting before a decision is rendered,

11:12you may call the planning department

11:14tomorrow afternoon to get the results at

11:17tonight's meeting. All right. Thanks for

11:19indulging that. Sev, the floor is yours.

11:26Good evening, Mr. Chairman, commission

11:28members. My name is Sev Bovino. Planner

11:30request Jones and Associates represented

11:32the applicant. Um the subject the

11:36subject property is located at 310

11:38Buckland Street. It is served by public

11:40water and sewer. The land area is 3.39

11:44acres. Uh zoned R 2025.

11:47On July 21st 26 an arch zone was

11:51approved as an overlay together with a

11:54preliminary site plan as a orientation

11:58on the screen here. Uh north is up. Uh

12:01to the left is uh Buckland Street

12:05and the property is to the east as you

12:07can see is outlined with a green area

12:10here. There's an existing home on the

12:13property which will be part of the

12:14project. Um the process uh requires that

12:19after those approvals which is the um

12:23the zone change and the preliminary site

12:26plan which were approved a final site

12:28plan and a special permit is to be

12:31applied for and that is what is before

12:34you tonight. We uh submitted a special

12:37permit uh and a and a final site plan.

12:40Special permit requires that we notify

12:42people within 500 feet which we did and

12:46uh proof of mailing was provided tonight

12:49uh to the town planner.

12:52Uh we have provided architectural plans

12:55for the single family unit and the

12:57duplex and it's in the package. Uh the

13:00the hardscape that we are proposing are

13:03the bike rack bench walk along Buckland

13:07Street and and a and a walk-in trail to

13:10along the north side of Buckland Street

13:12which will connect to the walkway which

13:15will be built along Buckland Street and

13:17then go back into the project.

13:20um

13:22traffic statement was provided

13:23indicating that all morning and

13:25afternoon peak hours four trips are

13:27expected to be generated. This project

13:30is proposed to be as a onephase.

13:34Um the zoning requirements for an arch

13:36zone are as follows. Uh 3 acre minimum

13:39is required. Our property is 3.39 acres.

13:43The allowed impervious area is 50%. We

13:46propose 26.3%.

13:49Minimum frontage is 75 ft along Parkland

13:52Street and we have 212.5

13:55ft.

13:57No uh sorry 20225.

14:01A minimum green space uh requires 20%

14:05and we propose 20.8%

14:07and that green space does not include

14:10the 20 foot landscape buffer which is

14:12around the perimeter of the property.

14:15The detail of the landscape buffer is

14:17shown on the upper right corner of the

14:20map is a double row of evergreen trees

14:23with a certain spacing at a certain

14:25caliber minimum 2 and 1/2 in 6 foot and

14:29height.

14:31Under the zoning regulation, we could

14:33propose 16 units. Our proposal is for 10

14:36units which we includes uh the existing

14:40home up front right here. that home. We

14:43will close the curb cut at that home

14:46there and we will provide a cut from the

14:48new roadway that will come in here to

14:51serve the existing home. Uh an

14:54affordability plan was submitted to the

14:56staff together with the homeowners

14:58declaration.

15:00Uh the the homeowner um association will

15:03be responsible to maintain the grounds

15:06and the infrastructure which is the

15:08roadway pavement uh drainage sewer etc.

15:13This proposed development is for four

15:15ranchstyle duplexes. So one, two, three,

15:20four. These structures are duplexes and

15:23the one in the northwest side in the

15:26center of the property is a single

15:27family residence. The affordable unit is

15:31located on the at this building here on

15:33the end unit.

15:35Um

15:3710% of the units are dedicated to

15:39workforce housing which it works out in

15:42this case the one unit.

15:45Um the home size is 1,364

15:49square ft and the duplexes are in each

15:52one of them is 1125 square ft. The

15:56proposed layout meets all the zoning

15:58requirements

16:00in regard to landscaping. A fence is

16:02proposed on both sides of the excess

16:04road. There's [clears throat] an

16:06existing fence right here now and we

16:08propose a fence on the north side

16:10following the roadway system there. Um

16:14the project sign will be built at the

16:17entrance with low flowering shrubs and a

16:20stone pillar there to identify the

16:23project.

16:24>> Excuse me. Is that is that from

16:26property?

16:28>> Sir, you're not allowed to ask questions

16:30yet.

16:32uh street trees are proposed along the

16:34roadway as required.

16:36Um and the trees the list of trees that

16:39that are available to be uh chosen from

16:43is on the plan. Um each unit will be

16:47landscaped and an example of the

16:49landscape associated with each unit is

16:51on the on this plan here showrs and and

16:54trees.

16:56We propose two parking spaces for a

16:58visitor right here at this location.

17:01Visitor parking

17:03um lighting posts will be um built uh

17:08installed. They are 12t in height. The

17:11maximum height uh will be LED lighting

17:14uh shining down full cut off fixtures.

17:18Uh the roadway is designed in a way and

17:21u to allow emergency vehicles to come in

17:23and make the turn. Emergency vehicles

17:26include the largest uh fire truck that

17:28comes in and can make the turn around to

17:30call the sack and out safely.

17:34As I said, the architectural plants are

17:36provided with the application and we

17:38have copies here if you need additional

17:41copies. Uh the property is surrounded by

17:44residential homes to the east, south and

17:47west. So we have homes here. They are

17:50phasing uh old turnpike. Then homes on

17:53Malbury Street. Um and we have homes on

17:57the west side and the other side of

17:59Barkland. There's a bagel shop here and

18:02Brunelli Constructions

18:04storage facility at that location on the

18:06north side. However, it's on R 2025.

18:11Um the traffic generation again as I

18:14said is four trips AM and and PM peak

18:17hour. Um

18:20we have provided meets and bounds

18:22description as required of the property

18:26and and submitted with the application.

18:30Uh we met with staff uh town staff

18:33multiple times. We received comments

18:35from planning and engineering. Uh we

18:38responded to the comments in writing and

18:40revised the maps as needed to address

18:43those comments and concern. Uh we

18:46believe that this proposal is good fit

18:48for the site. It will not require the

18:51town to maintain the roads or utilities.

18:54No children will be generated by this uh

18:57development uh that will go to the

19:00school system.

19:02We respectfully ask that the commission

19:05consider approving the application of

19:08the special permit and the site plan,

19:10the final site plan. If you have any

19:11questions at this time, we'll be glad to

19:14answer.

19:15All right. Thanks, Se. At this time,

19:18does do any members of the commission

19:21have any questions,

19:24>> Justin?

19:25>> Uh, [clears throat] quick question. Um,

19:27so I know this is about the site plan.

19:29Um, is this a time when we could ask

19:32about the affordability plan that was

19:34also submitted?

19:35>> Well, this is um the public hearing

19:39about the special permit. All right. So,

19:42I mean, we can ask more specific

19:44questions, I think, at during the

19:47business meeting. Would that be correct,

19:50Brandon?

19:56>> All right. Go ahead.

19:57>> Yeah. Um, I have a couple questions

19:59about the affordability plan. Um one is

20:03uh in these calculations

20:05it uh mentions that uh in um

20:10in uh step eight for determining the

20:12price of the the maximum sales price of

20:15the affordable unit

20:17uh to apply item 7 to a reasonable

20:21mortgage term such as 30 years at a

20:23reasonably available interest rate 5.0

20:27for sample calculation to determine

20:29mortgage amount. Um I haven't seen a 5%

20:32interest rate in quite some time. So um

20:36are there any plans to review the

20:39affordability plan?

20:41>> The affordability plan that will be

20:44computed the actual amount will be

20:46computed at the time when the units are

20:48ready to be constructed. This was an

20:50example, okay,

20:51>> was used for Braar on Marian Avenue. At

20:54the time the interest rates for

20:56mortgages were about 5%. So it's it's a

20:59format that we propose.

21:01>> Okay. I didn't know if this was the

21:02official

21:02>> proposals will be set later.

21:04>> Excellent. That was my question. Thank

21:05you.

21:07>> All set.

21:07>> All set. Thank you.

21:09>> Anyone over here?

21:12>> So, yep.

21:14>> You mentioned is there going to be

21:16sidewalks on uh on this project?

21:20>> There's a proposed sidewalk right here

21:23on Barkland Street. There's no sidewalk

21:25proposed within the development. Um we

21:28find that it's u

21:30easy to walk along the roadway to get to

21:33the front to the sidewalk and then go

21:35the uh stone dust trail that will be on

21:38the north side of the property. We have

21:40done the Marian Avenue project and we

21:42didn't have any proposed sidewalk within

21:44the site and then we had 27 units there.

21:47This is only nine units plus the

21:50existing house.

21:53Thank you.

21:55>> Following up on the u the sidewalk

21:58issue, there's no is there a waiver

21:59required for that or does the arch zone

22:03allow this type of construction with no

22:05sidewalks?

22:08>> Mr. Vali, would you like to come to the

22:10mic and speak on that?

22:12>> Mr. Mr. Chairman, if I may, uh, uh, the

22:15sidewalk along Buckland, we we are

22:17building and we proposing, uh, the the

22:21project is a private project, so there's

22:23no sidewalk requirements, but Dave can.

22:26>> All right. Thank you. Um,

22:32all right. I'm not seeing any other

22:35questions, Dave.

22:37Um there so there's a lot of uh uh trees

22:40being planted on the the lower west, the

22:42south and the and the east side. Um

22:44understanding there's there's some

22:45vegetation there already for privacy. Um

22:48is there going to need to be more on the

22:50upper west and sort of north side uh for

22:53the the house that's already on property

22:54or has that sort of privacy already been

22:56cut?

22:56>> The needed for what? For fencing

22:59>> uh uh trees. Um I'm using trees in this

23:01example. You have a lot of the evergreen

23:03shown. Yeah. Yeah. This is uh this is

23:07part of the project. We are proposing a

23:09fence here, a vinyl fence.

23:11>> Okay.

23:11>> Which will start at Buckland Street that

23:13run along the northerly side of the road

23:16and then turns north um u between the

23:20home and and the the rest of the

23:22project. Trees are proposed on both

23:24sides, single trees. a buffer per se is

23:28proposed on the um east side of this

23:32property.

23:34uh the south side here along the Moberry

23:37Street properties and also on the east

23:40side along the rear of the um uh altern

23:45property and this property here to the

23:47north there's no homes there and also

23:50there's an existing uh tree buffer and

23:53we cannot plant trees here because um uh

23:56the CLMP covers that area.

23:59>> Okay, thank you for clarifying.

24:00Appreciate it.

24:01>> Awesome. Thanks everyone. Good. All

24:03right. Um, at this point, uh, Sev,

24:06you're good. I think our commission

24:08questions are are good. Um, at this

24:11point, I'll open it up to any members of

24:13the public that are here to speak in

24:15favor of this application.

24:19>> Okay. Seeing none, is there anyone here

24:22opposed to this application?

24:25>> Sir,

24:26>> take the podium, state your name and

24:28address, and we're happy to hear you,

24:29but please do it from the podium, not

24:31from your seat.

24:38Thomas Angelo 700 Old Turbike Road. I

24:42need to understand where Brunelli

24:47had gave access

24:51to the right away where my property

24:54abuts Bley's property.

24:58So

24:59I'm looking at a map. I don't know.

25:02There's no names on it. Whatever.

25:03Whatever.

25:06Um, I did not give permission for any

25:08kind of right away. So, where's I go?

25:12>> If sir, if you have a question, please

25:14direct your questions to me. All right.

25:16I'm just I'm talking in the mic. I don't

25:19>> But if there's a question in there

25:20somewhere, we we can refer to the

25:22developer. Okay. So, what what's your

25:24specific question? Where specifically

25:27did Bernelli

25:29give access

25:31to the rightway?

25:32>> All right, that's that is your question

25:34and the the applicant will come back up

25:36and address that question. I don't have

25:38the answer to it. I'm

25:40>> Well,

25:42that's a big question.

25:44>> Well, we'll get to the we'll get to the

25:45bottom of that, but if you haven't do

25:47you have any other questions?

25:51>> I have a lot of questions that won't be

25:53answered. So, you know, I'll leave it

25:54there.

25:57>> Thank you.

26:00>> Is there anyone else that is here to

26:03speak against this application?

26:07>> Sev, do you want to answer the

26:09gentleman's question, please?

26:10>> Yes, Mr. Chairman, Sebino, Panzen Jones.

26:14If uh the German refers to the CLMP

26:17right away, the CLMP rightway

26:20runs parallel to the Nordly property

26:23line, our property line, and Brunelli

26:25abuts that line. There's no CLMP

26:28rightway on on the Brunelli property. If

26:31he's talking about some other rightway,

26:34we have no control over Brunelli's

26:36property, obviously.

26:37>> Yes, it does.

26:40>> Yes, it does. I got the

26:43>> sir

26:43>> got the original plans.

26:47>> We have surveyed our property and we

26:49don't find any rightways

26:50>> correctly. I got the original

26:53>> sir.

26:56>> If he means if he means that there's a

26:58rightway in our property that leads to

27:01his property which is in back somewhere

27:03here. Uh we'll be glad to look at his

27:05maps and and see what he's he's

27:07referring to. But we done an A2 survey.

27:10is certified A2 done the proper search

27:12there's no rightway at least for what I

27:15see on our property that service uh the

27:18rear property

27:26if you would allow him to show me the

27:28map I I'll be glad to take a look at it

27:30but

27:30>> do you have certified survey sir

27:32indicating ownership

27:33>> original absolutely

27:36>> all right well what I'm going to

27:38recommend at this point is um that I

27:42don't see moving forward on.

27:44>> Just please please let me finish.

27:46>> Okay. Um

27:50there seems to be an issue a boundary

27:52issue here. Um I think this needs to get

27:55resolved prior to this board moving

27:58forward with this. I would recommend you

28:01get together with the applicant and with

28:02town staff and air your grievances and

28:06you're either going to be proved correct

28:07or you're going to be proved incorrect

28:09and then we can move forward.

28:11>> Um,

28:14does that make sense?

28:16>> Absolutely. I'm happy to facilitate a

28:18meeting between the applicant and the

28:20adjacent property owner. Uh, if you'd

28:22like to stay after the the meeting and

28:24provide some information, uh, we can

28:26move forward with that at our earliest

28:27convenience.

28:28>> All right. So, with that said, we are

28:30going to keep this public hearing open.

28:33Um, and

28:35>> I could look I I could look at the map

28:37now if if you if you

28:41are willing to. Otherwise, it's fine.

28:42>> Yeah. All right. Well, if if there's a

28:45way to resolve this right now, then

28:47>> I want to I want to see the map that

28:48he's referring to if it's certified on

28:50what he's talking about.

28:51>> All right. Commissioner,

28:52>> if you could spread it on the table

28:54there, we'll look at

28:55>> um

28:57could we move this forward and vote on

28:59it with the stipulation that if there is

29:02an issue then it doesn't pass. So we

29:04don't hold anything up.

29:05>> No,

29:06>> that I'd like to see this if this can be

29:08resolved if there is in an orderly

29:11fashion.

29:12>> Let me take a quick look.

29:13>> Let's take let's take five minutes here.

29:31Where's

29:43>> Yep. Yeah.

30:01Where's his property? Right here.

30:03>> This Belli. Is he Bernelli?

30:20They were all my grandfather

30:23that was all

30:26>> the

30:34I guess we just

30:41>> Yeah, there's a right way for CL.

30:43Absolutely.

30:47>> I don't have a question. I have the

30:48answer.

30:52access

30:54to

31:11really

31:23That's right.

31:50Yeah. That's exactly That's it.

32:00It's not a right away.

32:08>> What's going

32:25So you have

32:30>> this project

32:31>> even my own family

32:45>> they were over

32:51to sleep. Yeah, sure.

32:55>> No problem.

33:12>> Cute, but also gross. And one year we

33:15were behind or in front of drive church.

33:18That was a little uncomfortable this

33:20year.

33:26>> Everybody involved over there.

33:28>> That was just fun. This is from your

33:33property.

33:35anything they're doing as well.

33:45>> Yeah. Cool. Maps,

34:01>> Mr. chairman based on what we saw in the

34:03plan and everybody saw there's no uh

34:06that his property doesn't even come

34:08close to our property and u there's no

34:10rightway to our property to get

34:13>> following the guidelines of sir sir sir

34:16>> we're resuming the meeting so please sit

34:18down and the chair will call you up if

34:20there is a question to be resolved

34:27>> go ahead se continue

34:30we're all set

34:30>> I'm all set All right. I I'm going to

34:32give the uh gentleman a chance to uh

34:36>> Can you take the podium, please, sir?

34:38>> Yeah.

34:41>> Has the

34:43How How was How is it that you could

34:46build How is power lines? How is that

34:49accepted?

34:50>> I'm asking you if the issue's been

34:52regarding your your property line.

34:54>> My property apparently my property line

34:56is not going to be

34:58>> Okay.

34:59Well, technically not touched. Who

35:02knows?

35:02>> So, so with that said, our issues are

35:04are are resolved are resolved here.

35:08Their development is meeting all the

35:10zoning requirements and

35:13we're we're good here.

35:14>> That's good. Okay.

35:15>> Yep. Sure.

35:16>> Thank you. Thank you.

35:17>> Glad we resolved that for you.

35:20>> All right. So, with that, I will close

35:23the public hearing

35:25if everyone else is in agreement with

35:27that. All right. Hearing is closed. Item

35:2910. A, lovely development special permit

35:33application to construct an age

35:35restricted 55 plus community property

35:38located at 310 Buckland Street, zone R

35:412025,

35:43RTZ, SPU731.

35:47Sir, um, do you have anything to add to

35:50the business meeting?

35:50>> Yeah, I got one more question. Sir,

35:52>> I got one more question.

35:53>> You, Sir,

35:54>> was it was it tested?

35:57serve. We closed the public.

35:59>> Oh, so close. I'll close.

36:00>> That's when you you had the opportunity

36:02to speak up until that point.

36:03>> I had the opportunity. I I thought I saw

36:05that opportunity. Okay.

36:07>> That's okay. It's all done. It's all

36:08done.

36:09>> It's all done.

36:10>> That's right. And we paid off.

36:12>> All right. I'm going to ask you to

36:12leave, sir.

36:14>> Huh?

36:16>> Take your seat and be quiet or leave.

36:18Those are your two choices.

36:22>> I'll leave.

36:34pay off.

36:37>> Thanks for your time.

36:38>> Yeah.

36:49All right. That's why we make the big

36:50bucks up here, guys. Right.

36:55>> Um

36:57All right. So,

37:00is there any discussion business meeting

37:02wise or have we heard everything and

37:05then some that we need to?

37:10>> We're all good.

37:10>> Is is water okay? I noticed it on the

37:14form it says pending still.

37:17>> So, staff has not received comment back.

37:19uh we're awaiting from health department

37:21which should be negligible considering

37:24it'll be served uh by water sewer and

37:27then water would just give a a sign off

37:30that essentially they're accepting the

37:32properties to serve. So um that could be

37:35handled by a stipulation if you're

37:37comfortable uh in that regard of

37:41allowing the project to go forward

37:43pursuant to water department's approval.

37:45>> Thank you.

37:46And so my [clears throat] next question

37:49would be um can we combine items A and B

37:53or would you like two separate motions?

37:57>> Two separate motions would be

37:59preferable.

38:00>> All right. So

38:01>> Mr. Chair, quick question. Uh Sheila had

38:03sent a in a butters comment about about

38:05the water. Do we need to address that at

38:07all?

38:10>> I'm sorry. Thank you.

38:12>> Handle that with stipulation assuming

38:14that we get to that point.

38:15>> My problem. Um, all right. So, at this

38:17point, I'm looking for a motion to

38:20approve item A. Um,

38:26>> I'll make a motion to approve item A,

38:31SPU number 731, lovely development,

38:35special permit application to construct

38:37an age restricted 55 plus community

38:40property located at 310 Buckland Street,

38:43zone R 20-25,

38:48ARCHZ.

38:50uh based on the fact that it conforms

38:53with the POCD and uh we're helping the

38:56need of elderly housing and the

38:59financial burden is on the developer and

39:01not the town.

39:03>> All right, I have a motion. Do I have a

39:05second?

39:05>> Second.

39:07>> We have a second from Commissioner

39:08Bougie. Uh Brandon, can you call the

39:11role, please? Brandon,

39:12>> Commissioner Magcguire,

39:15>> sorry, just uh

39:18>> does this one have to be pend um I

39:20didn't hear in the motion related to the

39:22water.

39:24>> That's on B.

39:25>> That's on B.

39:25>> That's on B.

39:26>> Approve. I

39:29>> Commissioner W.

39:30>> Yes.

39:31>> Commissioner Bougie.

39:33>> Yes.

39:33>> Commissioner Goodrich.

39:35>> Yes.

39:35>> Commissioner Scott,

39:36>> yes.

39:37>> Commissioner Sleski,

39:39>> yes.

39:39>> Chair Wowski,

39:40>> Wowski, yes. Motion carries. Uh item B,

39:45uh lovely development, uh site plan

39:49application for four duplexes, one

39:51single family structure and age

39:53restricted 55 plus housing located at

39:56310 Buckland Street. Uh this is an ArchZ

39:59and this is SP number 1921.

40:04I'm looking for a motion to approve.

40:09I'll make a motion to approve SPR number

40:131921,

40:15the lovely development site plan

40:17application for proposed four duplexes

40:20in one single family structure for an

40:23age restricted 55 plus community

40:26property located at 310 Buckland Street,

40:28zone R 20/25

40:32ARCHZ,

40:34SPR 1921

40:37with the stipulation of the health and

40:40water department approval.

40:43I think that's um that was only one.

40:46>> I'll second.

40:47>> We have a second. Um

40:51>> Brandon, can you call the role?

40:53>> Commissioner McGuire,

40:54>> I. Commissioner Locks,

40:56>> yes.

40:56>> Commissioner Bougie,

40:57>> yes.

40:58>> Commissioner Goodrich,

40:59>> yes.

41:01>> Commissioner Scott,

41:02>> yes.

41:03>> Commissioner Sleski,

41:04>> yes. and chair Wowski.

41:06>> Wowski is yes. Motion carries.

41:09Congratulations.

41:11Motion passes. Um moving on in the

41:14business meeting to item C. This is 20

41:17Spring Street Associ Associates LLC site

41:20plan application for the renovation

41:22conversion of existing 5,000

41:2620 ft single tenant commercial building

41:29into two high turnover restaurant tenant

41:31spaces 2500 square ft and 2520

41:36ft with parking reconfiguration

41:38restriping drive-thru with 10 vehicle

41:41queue

41:42bypass lane and two dumpster pads

41:45property be located at 20 Spring Street.

41:48This is zone B and this is SPR 1919.

41:52I'm looking for a motion to table as

41:55requested by the applicant.

41:56>> I'll make a motion to table.

41:59>> We have a motion to table from

42:01Commissioner Bougie and a second from

42:03Commissioner Locks.

42:05>> Brandon, can you call the role?

42:06>> Commissioner Maguire,

42:08>> yes. Commissioner Locks,

42:10>> yes.

42:10>> Commissioner Bougie,

42:11>> yes.

42:12>> Commissioner Goodrich,

42:13>> yes. Commissioner Scott,

42:15>> yes.

42:15>> Commissioner Sleski,

42:16>> yes.

42:16>> Chair Wowski,

42:18>> Wulowski is a yes. Motion carries.

42:21>> Okay. And now we are on to

42:29item D. And uh this is Dawn K. Kai site

42:32plan application to replace an existing

42:35restaurant building with 240 square ft

42:39retail office and two studio apartment

42:41units on second floor. property located

42:44at 181 Main Street. Uh this is zone CB

42:48and this is SPR number 1920.

42:56Your floor is here, sir. Good evening,

42:59Mr. Chairman, commission members. Uh

43:00this project located on 181 Main Street

43:03at the corner of Vermont Avenue was

43:06considered at the last meeting and the

43:08only thing that was requested was to uh

43:11move the building back uh so that we

43:14would not be so close to the road which

43:16we did. Uh we actually reduced the

43:18building size to accomplish that. We

43:20also maintain the rear yard. We did not

43:23get closer to the rear yard than what is

43:26existing today. So, that was the only

43:28thing that was left uh to do and unless

43:31you have any additional questions.

43:33>> It was moved back. Okay. And I know

43:35there was um

43:37um well, I'll I'll let uh my fellow

43:40commissioners does anyone have any

43:42additional comments. Mike,

43:44>> how far back was it moved?

43:46>> It was moved to instead of be at the

43:48face of the outside edge of the

43:51building, the new building will be at

43:53the face of the current building where

43:55the door is. So it was moved 1 point

43:57some feet back

44:00to accommodate that request.

44:03If you're familiar with the building has

44:05a little bit of an area that Jud saw on

44:07either end and we had the proposed

44:11building uh on that range instead the

44:14request was to put the new building on

44:16the inside range of that building and

44:18that's what we did. Okay.

44:20>> One one foot.

44:21>> It's over one foot. Yeah. It's not not a

44:23lot but whatever it is that's what it

44:24was.

44:27Anyone else?

44:30>> All right. I know um our fellow

44:33commissioner is not here. He had some

44:35concerns with the dumpster uh area. Is

44:38is there

44:38>> It will be individual report on that.

44:41>> It will be individual pickup. Uh yeah,

44:43it would not be a dumpster, you know,

44:45for everybody.

44:46>> Okay. Okay. Um All right. Any anyone

44:50else? We're good. We're good here. I I

44:53appreciate you moving the building back.

44:54back. I think that gives gives the

44:56frontage uh what it was what it required

44:59and what is needed. Um all right.

45:02>> Yeah. And the front will be cleaned up.

45:04There's a slate patio that's there that

45:05will be gone. So the building face will

45:08be behind that

45:10>> concrete sidewalk. Yeah.

45:13>> Nice and clean.

45:14>> Okay.

45:14>> I did have

45:15>> Dennis. Go ahead.

45:16>> So I really like this plan. It It's

45:20going to make it's going to look great

45:22from the street. I still have a a mild

45:25concern about the tenants on the second

45:27floor, which I brought up on the first

45:29meeting. I just want to make it clear

45:30that I'd like to see the building code

45:33100%. Yes.

45:35>> Yes. 100%. We're not going to be able to

45:37get a building permit without it.

45:40>> Okay. The building design will have to

45:42be done according to the building code.

45:45Make sure that's correct.

45:47>> Perfect. Thank you.

45:48>> Thank you.

45:49>> All right. Um gentlemen, everything's

45:53engineering planning. Everything's good.

45:56Staff is all set.

45:56>> Staff is all set. All right. Perfect.

45:59All right. With that, um I'm looking for

46:02a motion to approve SPR number 1 1920.

46:08>> I'll make a motion to approve SPR 1 190.

46:12>> All right. I have a motion from Bougie.

46:15Do we have a second?

46:17>> Second.

46:19>> Sue Locks with a second. All right. Can

46:21we get the roll, Brandon?

46:23>> Commissioner Magcguire,

46:24>> yes.

46:25>> Commissioner Locks,

46:26>> yes.

46:26>> Commissioner Bougie,

46:28>> yes.

46:28>> Commissioner Goodrich,

46:29>> yes.

46:30>> Commissioner Scott,

46:31>> yes.

46:31>> Commissioner Sleski,

46:32>> yes.

46:33>> And Chair Wowski Wowski is a yes. Motion

46:36carries.

46:37>> Thank you.

46:38>> Okay. Item E. This is an 824 referral

46:42for the lease of historic oven area for

46:44Unico. This is 5 East Summer Street.

46:48This is MR number five.

46:5175. Um,

46:54Brandon, can you give us a little little

46:56background on this just so everybody

46:57knows what we're

46:58>> Yeah, I would I would like to call Mr.

47:00Oval to the stand as the staff leazison

47:03of the uh open space uh open space

47:06committee. He uh spends a lot great

47:08deal. Um for the record, he will

47:11continue to be our environmental planner

47:12in the office.

47:15>> Uh Mr. chairman. Uh so this site is on

47:19East Summer right directly adjacent to

47:21the trail. It's one of our open space

47:23parcels. Uh historically prior to open

47:26space since the 1850s, uh there was a an

47:29oven there. Um Italian immigrants uh

47:32baked breads there for the community. Um

47:34they had a previous lease, but um there

47:37was a winter storm and it crushed the

47:39building. So the structure itself is

47:40gone. The foundation is still there. So,

47:43Unico is raising funds to reestablish

47:45the building and they want a a little

47:47bit larger lease area around what they

47:49had. It's only about 30 ft from the

47:50structure itself uh open space in

47:53support of it. Uh so, we just want uh to

47:55move forward with a blessing to uh PCC

47:57to council.

47:59>> Okay. All right. Thank you. Um I think

48:03it's pretty straightforward. Uh Mike is

48:05a member of Unico. Do you have anything

48:06to add to that?

48:09>> Um I'm I'm not a member of Unico. I am a

48:12member

48:13>> at the uh at the Italian club in town.

48:16Um and they do a lot of work with Unico.

48:19Um

48:20>> but yeah, just just to hit to to Dave's

48:22point, um I did do a tour of the

48:24property and it's it's pretty neat.

48:25There's a uh an old stove like like he

48:28said that they used to bake breads and

48:31food for the community um many moons

48:34ago. and uh UNICO is looking to rehab it

48:37and open it back up to the community,

48:39which I think would be pretty special

48:42for for Southernington and and being so

48:44close to the trail, too, that folks

48:46could walk right from the trail um down

48:48there.

48:48>> Yeah, 100%. Okay. Um with that, um I'm

48:52looking for a motion to approve MR 575.

48:57>> Looking for a motion for a positive

48:59referral, I believe.

49:00>> Positive referral. All right. I'm

49:01looking for a motion for a positive

49:03referral. I'll make a motion of a

49:05positive referral for MR575

49:12uh referral for the lease of historic

49:14oven of an area for UNICO at 5 East

49:17Summer Street.

49:18>> All right, we have a motion. Do we have

49:19a second?

49:20>> Second.

49:21>> Second from Commissioner Scott.

49:26>> Commissioner Magcguire.

49:28>> Yes. Commissioner Wox.

49:29>> Yes.

49:30>> Commissioner Bougie.

49:31>> Yes. Commissioner Goodrich,

49:33>> yes.

49:34>> Commissioner K, no. Commissioner Scott,

49:36>> yes.

49:37>> Commissioner Sleski,

49:39>> yes.

49:39>> And Chair Wowski,

49:40>> Wowski says, yes. Motion carries. Moving

49:42on to item F, release of a 13,320

49:46erosion and sedimentation bond. This is

49:49for 310 West Queen Street. This is SP

49:521886.

49:54Ready for action, gentlemen?

49:56>> Yeah, everything's stable at the site.

49:57Good to go.

49:58>> All right. Um, with that, I need a

50:01motion to approve.

50:02>> I'll make a a motion to approve SPR

50:071886, release of $13,320

50:11erosion and sediment bond at 310 West

50:14Queen Street.

50:15>> We have a motion. Do we have a second?

50:17>> Second.

50:18>> Second from Commissioner Locks.

50:20>> Roll, please.

50:22>> Maguire,

50:22>> yes.

50:23>> W.

50:23>> Yes.

50:24>> Bougie,

50:24>> yes.

50:25>> Goodri,

50:26>> yes.

50:27>> Scott,

50:27>> yes. Sowski.

50:28>> Yes.

50:29>> Mowski.

50:29>> Mulowski is a yes. Motion carries.

50:31Moving on to item G, release of a 26,400

50:36erosion and sedimentation bond at 347

50:39349 Marian Avenue. [snorts] This is SP

50:42number 1884.

50:45Ready for action, gentlemen?

50:46>> Yeah, this one's also uh ready to go.

50:48The site's all stable and looks good.

50:50>> Excellent. Uh I need a motion.

50:53>> I'll make approve. I'll make a motion to

50:55approve SPR

50:581884 release of 26,400

51:02erosion in sediment bond at 347/349

51:07Marian A.

51:08>> We have a motion. Do we have a second?

51:11>> Second.

51:12>> Second, Commissioner Locks. Oops, excuse

51:14me. Getting a little ahead of myself

51:16here. [laughter]

51:17>> Magguire.

51:18>> Yes.

51:19>> The role, please.

51:22>> Box. Yes.

51:24>> Bougie.

51:24>> Yes.

51:25>> Goodrich.

51:25>> Yes.

51:26>> Scott.

51:26>> Yes.

51:27>> Sowski.

51:28>> Yes.

51:28>> Mowski.

51:29>> Molowski. Yes. Motion carries. There we

51:31go. Um item H, release of an $11,000

51:35erosion and sedimentation bond. This is

51:38545

51:39and to 663 Spring Street. This is S

51:43number one 1231.1.

51:49Ready for action?

51:50>> Yeah, this one's ready. So nothing was

51:52ever actually um conducted on site for

51:54this. So um essentially they're have the

51:57right to put it back if they ever wish

51:59to pursue forward with the work

52:01associated with the application in the

52:02future.

52:03>> Okay,

52:04>> it's good to go.

52:05>> All right. Motion to approve. I'll make

52:07a motion to approve S number 1231.1

52:15>> release of 11,000

52:18erosion and sediment bond at 545/663

52:23Spring Street.

52:25>> We have a motion. Do we have a second?

52:26>> Second.

52:28>> Commissioner Magcguire with a second.

52:32Getting trigger finger with the gavl

52:35here. I don't know what's [laughter]

52:36going on. Might have to take it away

52:38from you.

52:39>> Just move it way over. All right. Um,

52:43[laughter] the roll, please.

52:45>> Maguire,

52:45>> yes.

52:46>> W,

52:46>> yes.

52:47>> Bougie,

52:48>> yes.

52:48>> Good.

52:49>> Yes.

52:49>> Scott,

52:50>> yes.

52:51>> Yes.

52:52>> And

52:53yes.

52:56>> Okay. Item I, release of a $1,000

52:59erosion and sedimentation bond, 812

53:01Queen Street. This is SPR number 1822.

53:07Motion to approve.

53:08>> I'll make a motion to approve SPR number

53:121822, release of $1,000 erosion

53:16settlement bond at 812 Queen Street.

53:19>> I have a motion. Do we have a second?

53:22>> Second.

53:23>> Second, Commissioner Locks. Roll,

53:25please.

53:26>> Maguire,

53:26>> yes.

53:27>> Yes.

53:28>> Bougie,

53:29>> yes.

53:29>> Good.

53:30>> Yes.

53:30>> Scott,

53:31>> yes. Silowski.

53:32>> Yes.

53:32>> Wowi.

53:33>> Wowki is a yes. Motion carries. Item J,

53:36release of $16,560

53:40erosion and sedimentation bond for 811

53:43Queen Street. This is SP1

53:461716. I'm looking for a motion. I'll

53:49make a motion to approve SPR number

53:521716, release of $16,560

53:56erosion and sedimentation bond 811 Queen

54:00Street.

54:01>> We have a motion. Do we have a second?

54:03>> Second.

54:04>> We have a second from Commissioner

54:05Locks. The roll, please.

54:08>> Maguire,

54:09>> yes.

54:09>> Box,

54:10>> yes.

54:10>> Bougie,

54:11>> yes.

54:11>> Good.

54:12>> Yes.

54:12>> Scott,

54:13>> yes.

54:13>> Celeleski,

54:14>> yes.

54:15>> Wowki,

54:15>> Wowski is a yes. Motion carries. Okay.

54:18Um item 13, administrative items. Um

54:22everyone's probably seen the

54:25schedule um for for 2027.

54:29Um it's pretty standard. We've got two

54:31meetings in every month expected except

54:33for the summer and November and December

54:37as always. Um so I'm looking for a

54:41motion to approve our

54:44schedule.

54:47I'll make a motion to approve our 2027

54:50meeting schedule.

54:52>> Do I have a second?

54:53>> Second.

54:54>> Second from Commissioner Locks. All in

54:57favor?

54:58>> I.

54:58>> I.

55:00>> Motion carries.

55:02Okay. Um, any receipt of new

55:05applications and items to schedule for

55:07public hearings?

55:09>> Not at this time.

55:10>> Not at this time. Okay. I'm looking for

55:12a motion to adjurnn.

55:14I'll make a motion to adjurnn.

55:16>> Commissioner Bougie, a second.

55:17>> Second.

55:18>> Commissioner Scott with a second. All in

55:20favor?