2026-08-18 - Planning & Zoning

00:00Southernington Planning and Zoning

00:01Commission to order.

00:05Dave, can you call the role, please?

00:06>> Alternative Commissioner Scott here.

00:08Alternate Commissioner Fod.

00:10>> Alternate Commissioner K. Commissioner

00:12Magguire. Commissioner Locks

00:14>> here.

00:15>> Commissioner Kohl's

00:16>> present.

00:16>> Commissioner Goodrich

00:18>> here.

00:18>> Commissioner Bougie

00:20>> here.

00:20>> Vice Chair Chaplinsky

00:21>> here. And Chair Wowski.

00:23>> Wowski is here. With that, we have a

00:25quorum. Um,

00:28I'm going to seat uh Commissioner Scott

00:31for Commissioner Gu Maguire. I've heard

00:33from all the parties that are not in

00:35attendance right now, and we have seven.

00:39Um, can we please rise for the pledge

00:41pledge of allegiance?

00:44I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

00:47United States of America and to the

00:49republic for which it stands. One nation

00:52under God, indivisible, with liberty and

00:54justice for all. Can

00:56>> we please remain standing for a moment

00:58of silent reflection?

01:05Thank you.

01:11With that, I'm looking for an approval

01:14of minutes from the July 21st, 2026

01:17meeting. Do I have a motion, M Mr. Vice

01:20Chair?

01:20>> Yeah, I'll make a motion to approve the

01:22minutes from July 21st, 2026.

01:24>> A second.

01:25>> Second.

01:26>> Second from Commissioner Locks.

01:29All in favor?

01:30>> I.

01:30>> Motion carries. Um, Commissioner

01:34discussion. Do we have anything new?

01:36Probably not because it's the summer.

01:40I'm correct. Okay, moving on. Uh

01:43chairman's comments. I am going to read

01:46uh the preamble to our meeting and the

01:49rules and guidelines. Good evening

01:51everyone and welcome to tonight's

01:53meeting of the Southernington Planning

01:54and Zoning Commission. My name is Steve

01:56Wowski, chair of the commission, and I

01:58would like to take a few minutes to

01:59explain the meeting format. Aside from

02:02administrative items, tonight's meeting

02:04is comprised of two parts, the public

02:06hearing and the business meeting. During

02:09the public hearing, the applicant will

02:11present the application to us in detail,

02:13which will allow the commission members

02:16and the public the opportunity to better

02:18understand what is being proposed. The

02:20commission members may ask questions

02:21during the presentation if needed. We

02:24will then ask members of the public who

02:26support or oppose the application to

02:28speak. If you wish to speak, please

02:30raise your hand and wait to be

02:31recognized by the chair. Once

02:34recognized, please come forward to the

02:35podium and state your name and address

02:38for the record. Please address all

02:40comments directly to the chair and not

02:42to the applicant or other members of the

02:44public. Please be advised that this is

02:46your opportunity to ask questions and

02:49make comments on the application because

02:51once the public hearing is closed, no

02:54additional testimony from the public or

02:56the applicant will be permitted. It is

02:59important to maintain order and decorum

03:01at all times during the meeting. You

03:03will have three minutes and must stay on

03:06topic.

03:07After everyone has had a full

03:09opportunity to speak, all questions have

03:11been answered, and all information has

03:13been received, we will decide whether it

03:16is appropriate to close the hearing. We

03:18will not consider voting on the

03:19application until the business meeting.

03:21During the business meeting, we will

03:23deliberate on the applications submitted

03:25to the commission and decide how to act

03:28on them. The commission may approve the

03:30application as submitted, approve it

03:33with stipulations, conditions, or

03:35modifications,

03:36table action for a future meeting, or in

03:39some cases deny the application. Four

03:42affirmative votes for the commission are

03:44generally required to approve any

03:45application. If you have to leave the

03:48meeting before a decision is rendered,

03:50you may call the planning department

03:52tomorrow afternoon to get the results of

03:54tonight's meeting. Um, so with all that

03:57said, I'm going to add one quick

03:59sentence. Um, knowing that on the agenda

04:03is a an application that's continued

04:06opening. Anyone that was here at the

04:08last meeting and did speak in regards to

04:11that application uh does not have to

04:13speak again. It is on the record and

04:16therefore um in the minutes. So we are

04:20we are all set on that. So um

04:25we're going to move into the public

04:26hearing. Item A, Eric P and Christristen

04:29A. Dagel, special permit application for

04:32a pro proposed garage in excess of three

04:35spaces. Property located at 244

04:38Pattonwood Drive, zone R80. This is SPU

04:42number 730.

04:44Mr. Judith, the floor is yours.

04:48>> Good evening, Mr. Chairman and

04:49Commissioners. For the record, uh my

04:51name is Steven Judith uh with the office

04:52of Cole Civil and Survey, 876 South Main

04:55Street in Plantsville. Here tonight with

04:57Eric and Kristen Dagel, uh regarding

05:00property they own at 244 Pattonwood

05:02Drive. Um this uh property is across the

05:05street from the uh Hawk Landing Golf

05:08Course, which is at this location here.

05:10And then the uh tenth hole T I believe

05:13is is this at this location right here.

05:16Um we have an existing home uh with a

05:18pool and a small shed and the their

05:21existing garage is two-car garage

05:23located at this location. Um Eric and I

05:26have been working on a a separate

05:29detached garage for this property for

05:31some time. At one point we thought was

05:32going to go on land swap on the on the

05:34Hawks Landing property, but that kind of

05:36came to a to an end when we realized

05:38that there was the development rights

05:40have been purchased and that couldn't

05:41happen. So, we uh we came up with this

05:43proposed plan. It's in the back corner

05:45of the lot. Um we have vetted this

05:48through the health department um and

05:50with uh engineering and planning. We're

05:53proposing a 24 by 36 threecar garage uh

05:56with a separate driveway that will come

05:58out into Patton Brook or Pattonwood

06:00Drive here. Um and the the garage I

06:04don't we don't specifically have

06:05architecture at this point, but we he

06:07was going to um match the house as far

06:11as sighting and colors and everything.

06:13So, it will u blend in with with what's

06:15out there. It's about as far uh off the

06:18roads as possible and um and hopefully

06:21will be a nice addition uh to his

06:23property. We also have incorporated

06:26storm water infiltration trench for the

06:28roof leader runoff uh which is

06:32always a good thing. Um soils here are

06:34very sandy, well drained. Um and uh Eric

06:38has some uh I think a supportive letter

06:41from the uh golf course [clears throat]

06:44and um we're happy to answer any

06:45questions that you have for us.

06:49>> Thank you. Commissioner Eric Dgo from

06:51244 Patwood Drive. Uh the neighbors the

06:53two neighbors that this affects is John

06:55who is here and I'll give him an

06:57opportunity to speak. And then the Hawks

06:59Landing uh Dan Paradise wasn't able to

07:01come. I do have an email I could give to

07:03you which says that the Hawks has viewed

07:06Hawk Landing has viewed this 18 for18

07:08and they have no issue and challenges

07:10with the with the addition. We've worked

07:12hand inand with them as good neighbors

07:14for a long time. So, um I do have a

07:16neighbor for yours. If you'd like me to

07:18>> Do you have a is it a short email?

07:20>> It's a very short

07:21>> Can you just read it and it'll be in the

07:22record? Um, it [clears throat] is uh

07:24from Dan Paradis at

07:26hawkslandingcountryclub.com

07:28dated Thursday, August 13th at 7:41 a.m.

07:32Uh, hi Eric. We have reviewed the plans

07:34and Hawks has no issue with your

07:35improvements. Please let me know if you

07:37need anything else, Dan.

07:40Thank you.

07:43>> So, that pretty much concludes our

07:45presentation. If you have any questions

07:46for us, we'd be happy to answer them for

07:48you.

07:48>> Okay. All right. And at this point, I'll

07:50open it up to members of the commission.

07:52Anyone with any questions?

07:55>> I have one,

07:56>> Dennis.

07:58>> So, I could see you're adding a curb cut

08:02to the far side of Yes.

08:05>> So, there you're doing a 4ft apron out

08:07of asphalt. And is the rest is it gravel

08:09or

08:11>> Yeah, there it would be a it would be I

08:13think the apron is well we're propo it

08:16would be a concrete it would be a paved

08:17apron up to the sidewalk and then from

08:19the we are proposing on the plan an

08:21actual construction entrance during

08:22construction we would put stone down. Um

08:25>> I would I would pave it at the back end

08:27of it. I'm going to make it match the

08:29rest of the residence.

08:30>> Well, where I'm going with this is there

08:32any way you can connect to the existing

08:34driveway so you don't have to add a curb

08:36cut? Well, unfortunately, sir, the the

08:38existing driveway is kind of like a a a

08:41U that comes up from the Can I borrow

08:43your

08:43>> Yeah.

08:44>> Um,

08:48>> figure out how to use it. There you go.

08:50Um, so the existing driveway is kind of

08:52like a little bit of a It's right here.

08:55This is the existing driveway. So,

08:56unfortunately coming across this area

08:59would be where the septic tank and the

09:01beehives are. Um, all of this area is

09:04open and protected here for drainage and

09:07for sanitation. Uh, like Steve said, we

09:10started this project with sanitation to

09:13make sure that they were okay with the

09:15the where the septic tank was and where

09:17our beehives, we don't have leech

09:19fields, we have beehives. Uh, and they

09:21gave the first approval to this process

09:23before we even brought it to you because

09:26if they didn't approve, then we knew it

09:27wasn't going to go forward. So

09:29unfortunately connecting that would

09:31bring it directly across uh the area

09:33where the uh where the septic tank is

09:36and the and the um beehives are sir.

09:40>> Gotcha.

09:42>> So my

09:43>> I guess my thing is

09:45I guess the the concern of the

09:47additional curb cut is there a traffic

09:50concern about it or

09:51>> well there would be a safety concern

09:53because the golf course is right across

09:55the street. Uh,

09:56>> right. You have

09:57>> I would say there's more traffic than

09:59usual and there's an intersection on

10:02well from this diagram on your right.

10:06>> So there's an interse I I would I don't

10:08know if you're I assume you're familiar

10:09with the neighborhood gen most of your

10:11traffic this is all dead end. So this

10:13traffic generally goes uh to the east.

10:16>> Um this this is the entrance to Hawk. So

10:19you have vehicles coming in at this

10:21location.

10:21>> That's where all the traffic goes sir is

10:22into Hawks right there before the cut.

10:25It's definitely a good 30 to 40 feet

10:27before the cup because uh they come in

10:30and then they come out on the back side

10:31of Hawks to come up the hill. So, uh

10:34it's it's a pretty open area there.

10:36>> I think the other thing that I think is

10:38important to note is that this is a

10:40secondary. It's more for his classic

10:42cars and things like that to be stored.

10:43It's not a daily something he's going to

10:46be using on a daily uh event. It's it's

10:49going to be something that on the

10:50weekend he takes a car out and and he

10:52drives or whatever he's storing in that

10:54where you know daily they use the

10:56driveway here and they use this garage.

10:59So I I understand the concern. I I don't

11:03think that this is going to add um any

11:06negative really impacts to to that area.

11:08I think I think we'll be okay with that

11:11from my perspective.

11:12>> All right. Thank you.

11:13>> Yeah.

11:14>> And is she all set?

11:15>> Yep.

11:16>> Anyone else? Caleb.

11:18>> Hi. Good evening. Thanks for the

11:19application. A couple questions. Um, so

11:22you have an existing shed on the

11:23property. Uh, I'm I'm guessing that are

11:26you going to put another shed up or this

11:29garage is going to take the place of

11:31some of the storage that's in there?

11:32>> Based on the requirements, if the

11:34requirements are more than likely we're

11:36going to remove the shed just because

11:38it's going to be too much and I I think

11:40that it's going to we don't need all

11:42buildings in the backyard. My wife

11:44wouldn't be happy with that. So, uh, so

11:47>> I mean it's less less lawn to mow.

11:50>> My plan is that the the part of the

11:52garage will be used to to replace the

11:54shed which was previously approved. Uh,

11:56that way that will be one less structure

11:58on the property and not be cluttering

12:00the property.

12:01>> Okay. So then, so I mean because the

12:03driveway is going to go right over that.

12:04So if you do need to replace the shed,

12:07you're going to have to kind of go

12:08through the process again.

12:10>> Yeah. If I can just clarify, we're

12:11proposing to bring the driveway around

12:13the shed. Um um so

12:17I don't know if the shed has to go but

12:19if it's something that they

12:20>> currently in [clears throat] this it

12:21doesn't have to go but that would be

12:24>> the wise decision. [snorts]

12:26>> Gotcha.

12:27>> Um coverage wise we're at 14 and6%.

12:30So we're way below uh the I believe 20%

12:34is what's what's permitted in in this

12:36zone. So we're uh we're in good in good

12:39shape from a coverage perspective as

12:41well. So then a couple more. Um the

12:45height of the structure is it lower than

12:48the main structure of the house?

12:49>> Yes, it's basically a what's permitted I

12:51believe is a story and a half typically.

12:53Um and I think that's what what the

12:56proposal was.

12:56>> Yeah. The interesting thing sir if you

12:58drive by the land you right where this

12:59is going to go is a hill and a burm

13:02which great elevation changes about 18

13:04feet right at the top of that hill. So,

13:07with my neighbor to the with John to my

13:09left, the goal is to we learned from

13:12Hawks a couple weeks ago to get rid of

13:14the very large pine trees that are

13:16there, uh, and cut the cut the garage

13:18into the hill, which will actually make

13:21it better for my neighbor. So, he won't

13:22be looking at a massive structure from

13:24this area because I got an 18 foot

13:26change already in elevation. So, it'll

13:29actually level out the backyard and put

13:31the garage back up into into the hill.

13:34So yeah, and that's exactly the

13:35direction I'm going with my line of

13:37questioning is, and I appreciate your

13:39neighbor coming in and supporting the

13:40application. Sometimes we have to kind

13:42of look at the next neighbor and the

13:44next neighbors after that and how it's

13:46going to affect the the um the skyline.

13:49>> I mean, he'll see more of a from a

13:51one-story with a with an attic coverage

13:54of of what we're portraying. He'll see a

13:56a backside of a of a roof with a little

13:59bit of shingles visible, but it won't be

14:02a massive structure that blocks his his

14:05view in that way.

14:06>> So, it's about about 15 ft tall. How

14:09then? About how far into the into the

14:11elevation will be digging.

14:13>> I want to say it's about six feet, six

14:15to eight feet in that range.

14:18>> It's going to fit nicely right into the

14:19hill. Tuck it right in there. that is

14:21there's a there's almost a little high

14:22point that kind of bubbles right around

14:25where this

14:26>> where the garage is. So that's kind of

14:28what they're working with.

14:29>> Okay. Um and that's uh I guess this is a

14:32question for for the staff. That's not

14:34an issue with with removing the amount

14:37of material from there.

14:39>> No worst case.

14:41>> Perfect.

14:41>> 400 cubic yards.

14:43>> We are way below that.

14:44>> Yeah.

14:45>> Okay. Um and then uh the the last

14:48question is and um just to make sure

14:50that we have it on the record, the the

14:52the setback for the new structure is far

14:56enough from the property line as as it's

14:58>> Yes, it's required to be 10 ft and we're

15:0010 and a half on on both property lines.

15:03>> All right, those are my questions. Thank

15:05you, Mr. Chair.

15:06>> Thank you, Todd.

15:08>> Yeah, just a couple quick questions. Um

15:10a friend of mine lives on Savage Street

15:12now. There's been a threat of golf balls

15:14hitting his house. you know, just cuz he

15:15lives across from that one. But, um,

15:18with no structure there currently, is

15:20there I mean, and I know it would more

15:21impact you than anything, but is there

15:23any threat of golf balls like smashing

15:24windows or anything like that? And I

15:26think you said the 10th hole, [laughter]

15:26was it?

15:27>> The people that play in Hawks, there's

15:28always a threat.

15:29>> Yeah, sure.

15:31>> But the 10 actually goes off the back

15:33there. Okay.

15:34>> Uh, so uh, you know, other than the

15:36ricochet, which we get every once in a

15:38while.

15:38>> Sure.

15:39>> It's not coming our way.

15:41>> Okay. Just more of a curiosity. And I

15:42know you spoke to the to the shed

15:44already. Just bringing that back up. I

15:46know, you know, with the house and, you

15:48know, very large garage and shed feels a

15:50little cluttered. Um, would you be

15:52willing to add the stipulation that you

15:54would remove the shed if you were to put

15:55this up or

15:55>> I would be willing to add the

15:56stipulation.

15:57>> Okay,

15:58>> those are my questions.

16:00>> Mike, uh, how [clears throat] about, uh,

16:03electricity and water? Do you do you

16:05plan on having water and electricity in

16:07the shed?

16:08>> Yes. My my thoughts are right now I have

16:10electricity and water running to the

16:12shed. So that would probably be able to

16:14be rerouted to the garage to shut off

16:17during the winter time because of the

16:19you know it's coming through the

16:21sprinkler system at this point. So uh I

16:23I don't anticipate getting separate uh

16:26it's a garage so I don't anticipate

16:28needing separate power or water to it

16:31versus what I'm already getting to the

16:33shed.

16:34I have to ask

16:35>> is it one one and a half stories that I

16:37hear

16:39>> that basically the way your regulations

16:41looks at at at this type of thing is

16:44they they measure it from half from the

16:46eve to the peak the halfway point. Mhm.

16:49>> So basically that that would be one and

16:51a half story height. And the garage

16:53again every I think when we come in for

16:55special permit on the garage there's a

16:57lot of flexibility. I think you've seen

17:00much larger garages. This is actually

17:01quite

17:03reasonable as far as some of the garages

17:06I think have come come through. Um and

17:08it's there's it's just your average

17:10garage. It's basically um one story and

17:14then there will be an attic space above

17:15it.

17:20Thank you.

17:20>> All set, Mike.

17:22>> Anyone else? Go ahead, Dave.

17:24>> Um, just for some clarifying questions,

17:26uh, so the heavy dotted line that right

17:29now goes around the current shed is kind

17:31of broken up by it. Is, um, is that

17:33going to be is that a fence? I can't

17:34really tell from the map. Is that a

17:35fence that's going to get moved to

17:37behind the garage once it's built?

17:39>> That's actually a sedimentation fence

17:41uh, for sediment control. So that will

17:43just be used during construction to

17:45prevent erosion and then once the site

17:47is stabilized they'll take it down.

17:49>> Thank you. Uh last question. So for I

17:51think it's 2011 Pattonwood there's a

17:53there's a curb cut there going into that

17:55the curb cut we were talking about. Um

17:56you had mentioned there being about 40

17:58ft in between. Is that the 40t you were

18:00you were mentioning?

18:02>> There's a there's a curb cut. This this

18:04is our proposed curb cut and then

18:05there's the existing curb cut for the

18:07for the driveway to the house. And then

18:09there's a curb cut across the street

18:11into Hawks Landing Golf Course. Um I

18:15don't believe there are any curb cuts in

18:16the westerly direction um until for a

18:19couple hundred feet.

18:20>> There's actually one

18:21>> Oh, one into that field there.

18:23>> The 10th hole there which is probably

18:25going to be another that whole lot can't

18:28be more than

18:29>> that's where they overflow parking. Is

18:31that

18:31>> Yeah, overflow parking in the 10th the

18:3310th hole access.

18:35>> So there is another curb cut, but it's

18:37not for vehicles, sir. for the golf cart

18:39to the 10th hole.

18:40>> Okay. Just wanted to clarify that it's

18:43additional to that.

18:45>> Thank you.

18:47>> All right. Can I ask just one followup,

18:48please?

18:48>> Follow up from Caleb.

18:50>> Yeah. Thank you. Sorry for I you

18:51mentioned that there was water that was

18:53going to be there. Um what's the water

18:56for? Is it What's the water for? I'll

18:58let you answer the question.

18:59>> I just a very uh car washing. Nothing

19:02more than that. Like uh it comes from

19:04the sprinkler system. So, it would only

19:06be on during the summertime and when

19:09obviously it's not freezing, but other

19:11than uh car washing and and general

19:14maintenance, there's nothing else going

19:16in that area that would need a need

19:18water.

19:19>> Okay, [snorts]

19:20I'm not going to expand on that. Thank

19:21you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

19:22>> Nonotable.

19:23>> Yeah, that's that's the word I was

19:25looking for.

19:25>> Thank you. Sorry about that.

19:26>> All right, so just a couple quick

19:28questions from me. Um, how many uh

19:31garage bays are there currently on the

19:32house?

19:33>> Two, right?

19:34>> Two. Two.

19:35>> Two. And so you're looking to add three

19:37for a total of five?

19:38>> Yes.

19:39>> Okay.

19:43>> Is there a rendering of the proposed

19:44building?

19:45>> We do not have a rendering at this time,

19:47sir.

19:49Okay.

19:51A rendering would be helpful. Um, all

19:54right. That's it for me.

19:55>> Okay. I think it if the rendering is is

19:58a make or break, we can continue and we

20:00can come back in a couple weeks and give

20:01you

20:01>> I just like things easy, Steve.

20:03>> I understand. And I understand. I I

20:04think that it

20:09Yes, we should have had a rendering.

20:10Okay.

20:10>> I apologize for that.

20:12>> All right. Well, I brought it up. The

20:14commissioners can,

20:15>> right,

20:15>> can make up their own minds on that. Um,

20:19all right. So,

20:21seeing no more questions from

20:23commissioners, I'm going to open it up

20:24to members of the public. Uh, is there

20:26anyone here who wishes to speak in favor

20:28of this application?

20:32>> Yep. to the podium. State your name and

20:34address, please.

20:36>> Hi, I'm John Vloic. I'm the neighbor to

20:39the left and uh I have no problems

20:42whatever they're going to be doing.

20:43We've been neighbors probably for 20

20:45years plus

20:46>> and uh no problems.

20:48>> What's

20:48>> your address, please, sir?

20:50>> Address 32 Burning Tree Drive

20:55>> and uh no problem. Sorry, this is new to

20:57me. Uh no problems with whatever they

20:59plan on doing. We've been neighbors for

21:01a long time [clears throat] and uh good

21:04people and uh no problems.

21:07>> Okay. Does anyone have a question for

21:09John?

21:11>> All right.

21:12>> I think I'll be the most affected if I

21:13don't have a problem.

21:14>> That's going to be my point is that you

21:15you seem to be the person that would be

21:17the most affected [clears throat]

21:19>> affected um by the location of this

21:21garage. It's right next to your

21:22property. Um, by all accounts, it seems

21:25as if, um, you know, the view from your

21:28property will will be minimal. So,

21:31>> yeah.

21:31>> All right. Thank you.

21:32>> All right. Thank you.

21:33>> Anyone else?

21:36>> Anyone here to be opposed to this

21:39application?

21:41Okay. Seeing none, um,

21:44anyone opposed to

21:47closing? Are are you all set, Steve? You

21:49have anything else? Yeah, I just um

21:52I guess if if the if a rendering is is

21:54would be helpful to the commission

21:55members, then we're happy to continue

21:57and come back with a rendering. I think

21:58that some of the garages that we've come

22:01in with have been pretty big and this is

22:05really benign compared to some of the

22:07other ones. Um it's um if it wasn't for

22:11the third bay, I don't think we'd even

22:12need a permit. I think it's the third

22:14bay that kind of puts us over this over

22:15this threshold. So, nothing out of the

22:18ordinary with this proposal and I can

22:19tell you Eric uh has a very

22:21well-maintained property well very well

22:23takes a lot of pride in his property in

22:24his house and it will be uh tastefully

22:27tastefully constructed. So,

22:28>> all right,

22:29>> that's it for me. Thank you.

22:30>> Thank you.

22:32>> All right, everybody in favor of closing

22:34the public hearing. All right, with that

22:36item A, the public hearing is closed.

22:38We're going to move on to item B.

22:40Johnson East petition to change a zoning

22:42district boundary from Bzone to R12 zone

22:46property located at 215 Flander Street.

22:49This is zone change number 588. And I

22:53will remind everyone this is a

22:54continuation of the same public hearing

22:57from our previous meeting. Uh

23:01>> thank you.

23:01>> Floor is here, sir.

23:02>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. James 104

23:04Belleview Avenue. I'm an attorney in

23:05Bristol for the applicant. Um, as you

23:08may recall, we were here last uh last

23:10meeting to present the bulk of this

23:12application in terms of requesting the

23:14zone change uh on this parcel of land.

23:17It's 6.3 acres located uh at the

23:20intersection as shown on your maps. Uh

23:23the uh property is serviced by city

23:25sewer and city water. Much of this is

23:27what we we talked about last month. We

23:29continued it because I thought Mr.

23:31Senise had something to add to the

23:33application. It turns out that he did

23:34not. Um so we we we we wasted your time

23:37to some extent for uh for carrying this

23:40over. Um the uh the proposal is for an

23:43R12 zone. Uh it is consistent with your

23:46plan of development. Uh it will be for a

23:49a higher density type of uh development

23:52in terms of single family residences. Uh

23:55and uh as I said it has access uh on two

23:58streets. So there's no infrastructure

24:01development associated with this. And if

24:04you have any questions, I'd be happy to

24:05answer them. Steve is here. Um Steve

24:08Judison, he had uh prepared the plan for

24:10us.

24:12>> Okay. Thank you. Um I'll open it up to

24:14the commissioners. Any any questions for

24:16the applicant?

24:23All right. Seeing none. Um

24:32I was going to ask

24:34>> Yes sir.

24:36>> Can you just give a brief overview of

24:40some potential uses for the property if

24:43it remained a Bzone?

24:45>> Well, [clears throat]

24:47the the the problem with the uh the

24:49Bzone is general would be generally

24:51commercial. Um it's uh it's located in a

24:54in a heavily residential neighborhood.

24:56It abuts the cemetery on one side.

24:58Obviously to the rear are the 55 and

25:01over uh homes that we uh we had

25:04developed previously and uh we have

25:06multif family homes across the street as

25:08well. Uh and then there's a single

25:10family uh neighborhood going up uh uh

25:13the side street. So the commercial uses

25:15would be small retail type of uses. The

25:19types of uses that are very difficult to

25:20maintain nowadays.

25:23I think every community struggles uh

25:25with the uh with the retail part of this

25:28in many uh with the new legislation that

25:30was just passed by the state. Uh the

25:32mixed use uh regulations that they

25:34proposed were multif family above

25:37retail. The difficulty is is that having

25:40small retail shops underneath the

25:42residential, they tend to change hands

25:44quite often or they tend to fail more

25:46often than not. So those are the things

25:49that we're trying to avoid. Uh and

25:51that's why we think the residential use

25:52in this particular location is certainly

25:55better.

25:56>> Okay. Thank you. And I'll point out to

25:58the um the commission that this is

26:01simply a zone change u district boundary

26:04change and any future development would

26:07be requiring a site plan approval. So we

26:11we would see this again certainly. So um

26:15all right, seeing no more questions from

26:17the commission at this point, I'll open

26:19it up to members of the community.

26:21Anyone that wants to speak in favor of

26:23this application, please come forward

26:25now.

26:28All right. And you're in favor, sir.

26:31>> I have a question.

26:42>> William Sabot 136. Um, Applegate.

26:46Uh, my question is if [clears throat] if

26:49the application was denied, what would

26:52the alternative be? I guess that's for

26:55you. Well, sir, your questions go

26:58through here. We we will follow that.

27:00Okay.

27:00>> Follow up on that. And and to elaborate

27:03on that, um you know, if if the zone

27:07change doesn't go through, it'll remain

27:09a business zone, in which case

27:12convenience stores, gas stations, things

27:14such as that can go. They're trying to

27:16change it to residential. And there's no

27:19plan before us, so we have we can't

27:21comment on what we don't know about. But

27:24the two distinguishing factors here are

27:26business versus residential. So that's

27:30you know as far as it can be elaborated

27:32on.

27:33>> Will this be an instance where 251

27:37could come into play?

27:40The the public act

27:44>> 830G

27:45>> 830G

27:47affordable housing

27:47>> Mr. Chairman. So there's two separate

27:50issues there. 251 is isn't affordable

27:52housing. Uh that's new legislation that

27:55attorney Zigga spoke to. Um if you're

27:57going to an R12, no. Uh because you're

28:01going from a business zone where it is

28:03allowed to R12 where it's not allowed.

28:04Um but 830G could go uh in a business

28:08zone or an R12. It just can't go in

28:10industrial.

28:13Does

28:13>> that answer your question?

28:14>> Yes. Thank you.

28:14>> Thank you.

28:18Okay.

28:21So, that seemed informational. It didn't

28:23seem for or against. So, again, um I'm

28:27assuming there's no one here to speak in

28:28favor of this. Is there anyone here to

28:29speak opposed to this application?

28:34All right. Seeing none, um

28:37everyone's in agreement to are are you

28:40satisfied with your presentation? I

28:42>> Well, are you satisfied with my

28:43presentation is a better question.

28:46the uh just to the gentleman's concern.

28:49Uh you're absolutely right with respect

28:51to retail uh commercial uh gas stations,

28:55convenience stores, certainly not things

28:57that are I I don't believe conducive to

28:58that neighborhood, but there is no

29:00mixeduse concept to this plan. This is

29:02strictly residential. Just so to be

29:04clear about that.

29:05>> Thank you. All right. Um All right.

29:08Members of the commission, we're

29:10satisfied we can close the public

29:12hearing. Yes. All right. See, public

29:15hearing B is closed. We're going to move

29:18into our business meeting.

29:22If I can find the right paper.

29:26Okay.

29:28Okay. Here we go. Item A, Eric P. and

29:31Christristen A. Dagel special permit

29:33application for pro proposed garage in

29:36excess of three spaces. Property located

29:39at 244 Pattonwood Drive. This is zone

29:42R80. and SPU number 730. I'm looking for

29:47a motion to approve item SPU number 730.

29:53Do I have a motion?

29:54>> I'll make a motion to approve item SPU

29:56number 730 with the stipulation that the

29:58shed is removed as a part of the

30:01application.

30:02>> Vice Chair Chaplinsky with a motion. Do

30:04I have a second?

30:05>> I'll second with the stipulation.

30:07>> All right. Seconded with the

30:08stipulation. Commissioner Kohl's. Um

30:11Dave, can you call the role? Any any

30:13discussion first?

30:15>> Do you how do we how much importance do

30:17we place on getting a rendering or are

30:18we okay to move forward?

30:20>> I think we have the motion without the

30:22rendering. So I guess we're good to go.

30:24>> All right, Dave.

30:25>> Uh Commissioner Locks,

30:27>> yes.

30:27>> Commissioner Kohl's,

30:28>> yes.

30:29>> Commissioner Bougie,

30:30>> no.

30:32>> Commissioner Goodrich,

30:34>> yes.

30:34>> Commissioner Scott,

30:36>> yes.

30:36>> Vice Chair Tlinsky,

30:38>> yes. and chairs

30:40>> to remain consistent. I will be in no

30:43motion passes. Congratulations on your

30:45garage.

30:46>> Thank you, Commissioner.

30:48>> Um item B, John Senise, petition to

30:52change the zoning district boundary from

30:54Bzone to R12 zone, property located at

30:58215 Flander Street. This is zone change

31:01number 588. I'm looking for a motion to

31:05approve zone change number 588. Do I

31:08have a motion to approve?

31:10>> I'll make a motion to approve item ZC

31:12number 588.

31:14>> I'll second.

31:14>> We have a motion from Commissioner

31:17Chaplinsky and a second from

31:19Commissioner Bougie.

31:21>> Any discussion?

31:24>> All right, Dave, can you call the role,

31:26please?

31:26>> Commissioner Locks,

31:27>> yes.

31:28>> Commissioner Kohl's,

31:29>> yes.

31:29>> Commissioner Bougie,

31:30>> yes.

31:31>> Commissioner Goodrich,

31:32>> yes.

31:32>> Commissioner Scott,

31:34>> yes.

31:34>> Vice Chair Chaplinsky,

31:35>> yes.

31:35>> And Chair Wowski. Wulowski is a yes.

31:38Motion carries unanimously. Item C,

31:40renewal of aquifer protection

31:42registration at 600 Woodruff Street.

31:45This is AQ-2.

31:47Yes, Mr. Chairman. Uh, so the next two

31:50items, um, there is an aquifer

31:53protection zone within the town. Uh, so

31:56certain storage of fuels or repair of

31:59small engines, that type of thing within

32:01that zone are regulated uh, to protect

32:03the wells and wellheads. Um, in this

32:06case, 600 Woodruff Street is the

32:07National Guard Armory. So, the um

32:10government looked into this particular

32:13case and had no issues um with the

32:15renewal. And so, at the local level, um

32:18we're staff has no problem with the

32:20renewal.

32:22>> Okay. Did Did you mention the what what

32:26the property was?

32:27>> Uh it's a National Guard Armory.

32:29>> National Guard Armory. Everybody heard

32:31that? Okay. Thank you.

32:32>> That's why the state and feds got

32:33involved in that one.

32:34>> Okay. Um, so I guess we're looking for a

32:37motion to approve AQ-2.

32:40>> Sure.

32:41>> So, can I just ask a question though?

32:43>> Yeah.

32:44>> This is just a registration. There's no

32:45work being done.

32:46>> This is correct. This is a renewal of

32:48the existing registration. So, um, every

32:51think four to five years they have to

32:53come back. Um, and we hear from them

32:55first. Uh, doesn't always happen.

32:58Sometimes we have to go looking for it,

33:00but in this case they came to us. Yeah,

33:02good record keeping there.

33:04>> Okay.

33:05>> Okay.

33:05>> Yeah.

33:07>> All right. I'll make a motion to approve

33:08item AQ-2.

33:10>> Do we have a second?

33:11>> Second.

33:12>> Commissioner Locks with a second. Dave,

33:17>> yes.

33:17>> Commissioner Kohl's,

33:18>> yes.

33:18>> Commissioner Bougie,

33:19>> yes.

33:20>> Commissioner Goodrich,

33:21>> yes.

33:21>> Commissioner Scott,

33:22>> yes.

33:23>> Vice Chair Cholinsky,

33:24>> yes.

33:24>> And Chair Wowski.

33:26>> Wowki is a yes. Motion carries

33:27unanimous.

33:29Item D, renewal of aquifer protection

33:31registration for 29 High Street. This is

33:34AQ-3.

33:35>> Yes. Uh, same concern. This is the YMCA,

33:39but they store chlorine and and gas to

33:41mow the the lawns. Um, again, staff has

33:44no issues with this.

33:45>> Okay. I'm looking for a motion to

33:47approve AQ-3.

33:49>> Make a motion to approve item AQ-

33:53>> second. One second.

33:54>> Commissioner Locks with a second. Dave,

33:56can you call the role, please?

33:57>> Commissioner Locks. Yes.

33:58>> Commissioner Kouls.

33:59>> Yes.

34:00>> Commissioner Bougie.

34:01>> Yes.

34:01>> Commissioner Goodrich.

34:02>> Yes.

34:02>> Commissioner Scott.

34:03>> Yes.

34:04>> Commissioner Vice Chair Cholinsky.

34:06>> Yes.

34:06>> And Chair Wowski.

34:07>> Wowki. Yes. Motion carries unanimous.

34:09Item E, release of 10,200 erosion and

34:12sedimentation bond at 101 Sorin Drive.

34:17Uh FKA 99 Soren Drive, SP number 1843.

34:24Ready for action?

34:25>> Yes, it is.

34:27>> Okay. Looking for a motion to approve

34:29number 1843.

34:31>> I'll make a motion to approve item SPR

34:33number 1843.

34:35>> We have a motion. Do we have a second?

34:37>> Second. [snorts]

34:38>> We have a second for Commissioner

34:40Bougie.

34:41>> Dave, please call the role.

34:44>> Uh, Commissioner Locks,

34:45>> yes.

34:45>> Commissioner Kouls,

34:46>> yes.

34:46>> Commissioner Bougie,

34:47>> yes.

34:48>> Commissioner Goodrich,

34:49>> yes.

34:49>> Commissioner Scott,

34:50>> yes.

34:50>> Vice Chair Klinsky,

34:51>> yes.

34:51>> And Chair Wowski,

34:52>> wowski is yes. Motion carries unanimous.

34:55Okay, moving on to item 11,

34:57administrative items. Uh, item A 1198,

35:01West Street buffer modification request.

35:03This is SPR 1727.

35:06Dave, the floor is yours.

35:08>> All right. Well, Superior Equipment on

35:10the corner of Churchill and West Street.

35:11Uh they moved in to where um I believe

35:16it's the old construction engineering

35:19company was uh up on the hill and they'd

35:22like to supplement the buffer plantings

35:24uh around the upper parking area with a

35:26fence to provide a visual and noise

35:28screen. Uh it is an industrial zone with

35:30houses adjacent. Um we've been in

35:33contact with with the neighbors. Uh

35:34staff is certainly in favor of it. Uh

35:37this is actually supplementing what was

35:39already there for plantings. Um it's I

35:42would say it's somewhat voluntary. Um

35:44and it doesn't really need a site plan

35:45modification because it's over and

35:47above, but it is a change. So we just

35:49need the blessing from the commission on

35:51it.

35:51>> Okay. Does anyone have any questions

35:53regarding it?

35:56>> All right. Seeing none, um can we do a a

35:59a voice?

36:01Um I'll do a quick roll call. Roll call.

36:03Okay.

36:04>> Commissioner Locks.

36:05>> Yes.

36:05>> Commissioner Kohl's?

36:06>> Yes.

36:06>> Commissioner Bougie?

36:07>> Yes.

36:08>> Commissioner Goodrich?

36:08>> Yes.

36:09>> Commissioner Scott? Yes.

36:10>> Vice Chair Cholinsky. Yes.

36:11>> And Chair Wowski.

36:13>> Wowski. Yes. Motion carries. Uh receipt

36:15of new applications and items to

36:17schedule for public hearing. Dave.

36:19>> Uh nothing yet.

36:20>> Nothing yet.

36:22>> Interesting.

36:23>> Yeah, we we expect a few, but we don't

36:26have them yet.

36:26>> We should have some some activity for

36:28September. [clears throat]

36:29>> Likely some subdivisions.

36:30>> All right. Site plans.

36:31>> We won't be on the bench much longer.

36:32>> Picking back up.

36:34>> All right. Uh Caleb, motion to adjurnn.

36:37>> So moved.

36:38>> Second.

36:38>> Second. Second. All in favor? I.

36:43>> All right. I hope everyone's enjoying

36:45their summer.

36:48>> Reality will hit

36:50>> come September though.

36:51>> Thanks, sir.

36:59Thank