2026-10-12 - City Council

00:13:03good afternoon. >> I will now call the City Council meeting on Monday OCTOBER 12th 2026 to order. Clerk Please call the roll. >> Thank you. Council PRESIDENT And Council Member Campbell. Council Member Whitburn here Council Member Foster Council Herman.

00:13:22Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee Councilmember Campos Council Moreno. Council Member Ella Rivera and Council PRESIDENT LaCava. PRESIDENT Also taking the meeting our Assistant city Attorney Michelle Garland, independent budget analyst Charles Maka and Council advisor and Mayor's office code advisor as well as myself, your

00:13:40city Clerk Deanna Funches Thank you Council PRESIDENT. >> Thank you City Clerk. Quorum is now present. We will begin this meeting with an invocation by 20th followed with the land acknowledgment and the Pledge of Allegiance led by Council member Campbell Grant.

00:13:56Those who hold office in this city the spirit of wisdom, charity and justice that was steadfast purpose They MAY faithfully serve in their offices to promote the well-being of all people and we respectfully acknowledge

00:14:12that the communication are the original inhabitants of the Unceded land now known as San Diego. Despite enduring the horrors of genocide and colonization, the community spirit remains unbroken.

00:14:30We honor the resilient so their ancestors who fought to protect their culture and land Today they carry the legacy forward ensuring that their traditions continue to thrive in gratitude and strength.

00:14:42We stand with the community nation connected to our past and committed to a thriving future. Please raise the flag if you're able to put your hand over your heart and let's begin.

00:14:54I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under GOD indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

00:15:11All right With that, are there any comments from the mayor's office? Council members, city attorney, independent journalist or city clerk Not seeing any.

00:15:25Not here. We'll move right along. Are there any requests for continuance by council members ? Not seeing any such request. The clerk will now go over how the public can offer their testimony. Clerk Thank you.

00:15:36Council PRESIDENT I'd like to highlight the screen on the slider on the screen. The review to public testimony can be given at today's meeting. Please note the time locations on or on the agenda and to please raise your hand by pressing star nine when an item

00:15:52is introduced. Or to submit your speaker slip to the front of the room. We do have council ambassadors available near the entrance to assist with speaker slips as well. Please note that virtual testimony that no in-person testimony will be taken once a virtual testimony begins.

00:16:05Thank you. Council PRESIDENT. All right. Thank you to the clerk And as a friendly reminder non agenda public comment is the opportunity to speak on items that you want to convey to the city council within the city's purview.

00:16:21The two docketed items are time to speak towards those docketed items. So with that clerk please introduce item two. >> a one item to a one is the appeal of the hearing officer process three decision of the ten 509 the Sorento Parkway Project p rj Dash

00:16:391062368. Public comment time for this item will be one minute per person. If you are here in chambers please submit your speaker slip to the front of the room where the blue arrow indicates in the clear box of your participating remotely please press star nine Thank you

00:16:56Council PRESIDENT All right. Thank you. Staff I see you're seated there. Please introduce yourself for the record and let us know how much time you need. >> Good afternoon esteemed council PRESIDENT LaCava and council members.

00:17:07My name is Martine Mendez. I'm development project manager with the Development Services Department and I will be presenting the project appeal for the ten 509 MR. Sorento Parkway project today.

00:17:18Before I get started I would like to read for the record that a memorandum was distributed to the Council to the City Council this afternoon to address some documentation.

00:17:36I was received received on Friday and distributed today. That would be a sorry a letter of response from the applicant to the Appellant's issues the applicant's presentation for today's meeting and a

00:17:53correction to condition number 47 for the permit That is a staff correction where the wrong street was identified in the permit conditions.

00:18:06All of those records have been distributed to the city clerk's office and have it posted on the City Council's website for the administrative record. Okay.

00:18:24>> The project is located at I apologize. I'll need approximately ten minutes when you're ready. Thank you. The project is located at ten five nine Vista Sorento Parkway located within the mere Mesa Community Plan and zoned Al 3-1 industrial light zone.

00:18:40The project size is a 5.58 acre site and the approvals requested for this project included cost of development permit for development within the coastal overlay zone a neighborhood development permit for utilization of the alternate methods of calculating allowed building square footage within the mixed Miramar Airport safety zone apd

00:18:58to a site development permit for development on land containing environmentally sensitive lands in the form of mapped multi habitat planning area and a public service easement vacation.

00:19:09The project scope is the demolition of an existing four story 84,000 square foot office building and associated site improvements for the phase construction of a four storey 112 400,000 square foot office building and a six story

00:19:26189,780 or 95 square foot parking garage. The creation of an existing four foot wide easement that was never utilized for its intended purpose and associated site improvements.

00:19:41The current slide shows the location of the project site which is located east of Interstate 85 and north of near Mason Boulevard and south of Lusk Boulevard.

00:19:53>> The current slide is an aerial photograph which shows a relationship of the project site to adjacent development and open space areas in the form of image pr located on the east side of the project site.

00:20:11The slide illustrates the proposed site plan which shows the two proposed buildings under respective phases. Phase one would be the six story parking garage in Phase two the proposed four story office building on APRIL 17th 2023 the mayor MAY said

00:20:31Community planning group voted 11 one one to recommend approval of the project With the condition of the project be consistent with the terms of community plan. I would like to provide additional background to the requested condition when the project was presented to the community planning group The Mermaid a community plan update was pending adoption by

00:20:49the Coastal Commission and the intent of the condition was to ensure the project was consistent with the new community plan.

00:21:00>> On JUNE 10th the project was approved with modifications by the hearing officer on JUNE 24th 2026 Lottery llp On behalf of supporters Alliance for Environmental Responsibility, also known as Schaefer filed an application to appeal the Hearing officers decision

00:21:18of the project and an appeal of the environmental determination on the following grounds Factual error Finding is not supported and you information staff would like to clarify that Although the appellant filed an appeal of the environmental determination for the project,

00:21:34the environmental determination made by staff was a California Environmental Quality Act score section 15162 consistency evaluation which is not an appealable environmental determination pursuant to Public Resources Code section

00:21:5421166 and six are guideline section 15162 The consensus Consistency evaluation prepared for the project determined that there was no change in circumstance, additional information or project change from what was analyzed for the year makes a community plan update program environmental impact report that would that would warrant additional review for this action.

00:22:16The following is a summary of the appellant issues which is objection to code section 15162 consistency evaluation where the city cannot rely on a prior more general environmental impact report that identified significant and unmitigated

00:22:34impacts inadequate air quality impact analysis and mitigation inadequate inadequate noise impact analysis and mitigation and impacts of biological resources not covered by the mere mesa program Environmental Impact Report

00:22:52Appeal Issue number one is states that the city cannot rely on a prior more general environmental impact report that identified significant unmitigated impacts and that the city must prepare an air and statement of overriding consideration for impacts that remain significant and unavoidable and addressing

00:23:10transportation impacts and air quality impacts. >> Staff response to this is that single guideline Section 15162 encourages tearing of environmental documents during as a as a practice of evaluation of general

00:23:27environmental matters found in broad program level environmental impact report with subsequent focused environmental documents for individual projects that implement the program Additional staff responses at a subsequent the air is required

00:23:44only if one or more of the circumstances identified in secret Guideline Section 15162 are present including substantial changes to the project substantial changes in circumstances or new information of substantial importance resulting in new or more severe significant impacts

00:24:05. >> Staff determined that ac Code Section 15162 Consistency Evaluation Memorandum is a appropriate subsequent document. None of the conditions require any subsequent or supplemental air were present and the project's specific impacts are consistent with the conclusions of the program.

00:24:23Air of the Major Mesa Community Plan update as no new or more severe or significant impacts were identified. >> Additionally a vehicles a vehicle miles traveled assessment details The project's vmt impacts are within the scope of

00:24:41the previously approved program and consistent with the conclusions of the certified program Air It projects Pacific Air Quality Report was prepared and concluded the project would not result in any significant construction or operational air quality impacts consistent with the program Air mitigation framework.

00:25:21I'm sorry a second I apologize. Appeal Issue number two Inadequate air quality impact analysis and mitigation was prepared for the project There stating that there are significant construction and operational air quality emissions specific to the project that were not analyzed in the program air

00:25:38There are now feasible mitigation measures for the air quality impacts identified in the program Air stamps are responsibility Number two is an air quality study was prepared for the project in accordance

00:25:54with program Air Mitigation measure mq Dash two maximum air quality construction emissions and operational emissions for the building parking structure and emergency generators would be below the city's screening thresholds.

00:26:05Additionally, the project's emissions will not exceed or violate the applicable regional air quality standards appeal Issue number three.

00:26:14Inadequate noise impact analysis and mitigation prepared for the project. Whereas the city did not conduct an adequate analysis for the project's noise impacts ,the city must adopt a significant thresholds for noise impacts to nearby office buildings and there are

00:26:31available mitigation measures that are considerably different from those analyzed in the program. Air. >> Additionally, the city must demonstrate that mitigation measure and no I one reduces the project's construction noise to less than significant

00:26:49levels and the city lacks substantial evidence to conclude the project's noise impacts are no longer significant and unavoidable. Staff's response to population number three is that noise impacts are described in detail in the 15162 consistency evaluation memo prepared for the project and the project's

00:27:08noise levels would be consistent with the city's noise abatement and control ordinance of the San Diego Municipal Code Section 59.5.0 4a1 and General plan Land use compatibility standards.

00:27:29>> Additionally the city has developed secret thresholds of significance in accordance with secret guidelines. Section 15064.7. The project also would not result in significant noise impacts after implementation of mitigation measures.

00:27:46And no I want and am and I to to minimize short term construction noise and vibration appeal Issue number four Impacts of biological resources not covered in the program air As the appellant states that the city has not demonstrated

00:28:02that year round operational noise will be limited to avoid noise in Pakistan breeding season and operational operation of the parking garage has a potential to cause significant noise impact during breeding season.

00:28:16>> Staff response to the appeal issue is that the program air states the potential impacts would be mitigated in accordance with the city's environmentally sensitive lands regulations. While the guidelines and the provision provisions of the city's multiple species conservation Plan Subarea plan

00:28:33a project specific biological resources letter report was prepared consistent with the city's bylaw guidelines and operational noise levels will not exceed 60db.

00:28:46Within the following is exhibit from a technical study provided by the applicant showing the noise levels and again the cover lines identify the noise levels and stated showing that the noise levels within the epa would not exceed the threshold And then again

00:29:07going to the memorandum that was issued today the correction related to condition number 47 previously stated that the requirement is to reconstruct a five foot wide nine contiguous sidewalk on Sorrento Valley Park Sorrento Valley Road where it should have said Vista Sorrento Parkway staff recommendation is

00:29:27that the city council deny the project appeal and affirm the hearing officers decision to approve the coastal development permit Neighborhood development permit site development permit and public service easement vacation with a correction to permit condition number 747 As

00:29:47previously stated that concludes staff's presentation and staff and the applicant and their team are here to answer questions and I believe the applicant also has a presentation they would like to present to City council.

00:29:59>> All right. Thank you for the work and thank you for the presentation this afternoon. We'll hear now from the office of the city attorney. Thank you, Council PRESIDENT. When hearing and deciding upon a project appeal the Council may affirm reversed or modified a hearing officers decision a decision to reverse or modify

00:30:18the hearing officers decision must be based on one or more of the following one factual error two new information and three findings that are not supported or for conflict with the land use Plan a Council policy or the Municipal Code a Court will uphold uphold the Council

00:30:34decision if it is supported by substantial evidence in the record. In addition to approving the project, the hearing officer accepted a sequel guideline section 1516 to consistency evaluation prepared by city staff a15162 Consistency Evaluation is not an environmental determination

00:30:52that is subject to appeal under the municipal Code or sequa and therefore MAY not be appealed. >> Thank you. All right. Thank you for that. So it is my understanding that the appellant does not wish to make a presentation but they are attending the meeting via Zoom for any questions So not hearing any objection to that

00:31:11understanding. The applicant however does wish to make a presentation for this item so you can approach the microphone there.

00:31:20Introduce yourself for the record and then you'll have up to ten minutes for your presentation.

00:31:29The bigger one usually works a taller one usually works better. Hi. My name is Tim Ward. I'm with Healthy Properties. Thanks for having me today. I will be quick less than ten minutes.

00:31:40I wanted to present to you so I know some itself I know some of the details in here we already talked about so I will be quick a little bit about us healthy properties.

00:31:52We've been around since 1985. We have nine major life sciences here in San Diego about one point 7,000,000ft. Excuse me about 400 employees And then locally where there's about 30 of us and our office is located in Sorento.

00:32:08So we know the local area fairly well and the main project here 113,000ft as we talked about about 30,000 per floor here and Sorento summit south we anticipate 250

00:32:28employees occupying the building at full vacancy and we're going for leed gold certified to the building. The parking garage will have easy bike charging which shade throughout as well.

00:32:49Project location here is the aerial. So we're right up near 805 in the main Sorento cluster of buildings helping properties on the water edge development to the left side on the plane view of that as well Some buildings behind that.

00:33:09>> And then here's a site plan of the proposed building versus the existing building and that's it. Thank you.

00:33:20>> All right. Thank you very much for your presentation with that clerk. >> Please proceed with public comment. There Council PRESIDENT If i can have allegedly order please come up to the microphone After that will be joined Senator and then at Maximillian Smith This is one minute.

00:33:46Please proceed When ready. >> Yes. I'm glad that he came and said what this is actually going to be about because this is about biotech and there are biohazards in these buildings And so when you're going to demolish a building that has had previous laboratories in it ,I feel like you're omitting

00:34:02things when you're saying there's no quality impacts And if this is an environmental sensitive land then there should be a conflict of land use because it is detrimental to the environment.

00:34:12When you demolish something like that unless it has been decontaminated. I mean that's also public health concerns when you're demolishing a building that has been working with things that are need to be housed in a place that shouldn't get out into the air quality and then

00:34:30it's going to get into the soil. And so how is that going to affect all of these species that you want to save and how that are going to affect the people? So I think that you guys omit things when you know you're worried about eggs and vmt and noise but these are biohazards that we should be very concerned about getting into

00:34:52the air tracing out of Maximillian if you can start making your way up to the front road that'd be great. >> I am really, really honored to speak on this on this big important project.

00:35:04It's big And I'm also honored to participate in our new world that is unfolding before our very eyes.

00:35:18So I am saying due to the dsd analysis and the pr and the ems, cpg work on it, I'm saying yes to deny the appeal and affirm the hearing officers decision on all components of the project.

00:35:33The Mira mesa Community Community Planning Group voted 11 121 quite a while ago but they're strong. I liked what they did and I think it's a great project and I really support it.

00:35:47>> Love to all. Thank you Maximilian Schmidt Hi.

00:35:57For item 201 the appeal of the hearing officer decision of the ten 509 Vista Sorento Parkway Project.

00:36:09P r j ten 62368 Going on in District six. I'm opposed to this project and I made the time and effort to come down here to City Hall to say that I'm opposed to everything that comes out of this chamber until the underground genocide of

00:36:29liberal fascist masons killing people with strange building noises in downtown San Diego and driving them crazy with little reincarnated masons that run around like little Chucky's terrorizing people and driving them mentally insane.

00:36:48Speaking like a grown adult but maybe only six years old. What's going on needs to be addressed. >> Shame on all of you communist that does complete speakers here in council chambers starting the five minute timer going to those participating remotely starting with Lori Saldana If you can

00:37:05please on mute. We currently have four speakers in the queue. Can you hear me? Yes. Please proceed. Thank you And thank you to the Council PRESIDENT For being on time today.

00:37:15I just wanted to note that there are some new standards for leed certification and green building designs that have to do with extreme heat.

00:37:24And I'm wondering if this design will incorporate some of these latest designs when they're trying to achieve gold standards for leed designs. Some of those include provide outdoor cooling stations and emergency backup power use paving materials with a solar reflectance value of 0.33 Use

00:37:43an open grid pavement system at least 50% to reduce again heat and reflection provide shaded external spaces adjacent to the buildings for use during extreme heat events as we have been seeing in recent weeks and months we are seeing increasingly hot temperatures in San Diego.

00:38:00So I encourage the Council to begin applying the latest leed standards that have to do with heat resiliency and extreme heat situations especially in areas adjacent to open spaces where wildfires might be a problem.

00:38:15Thank you. >> 3956 3956 If you can please unmute 395680 there you go.

00:38:33>> Hello. >> Yes we can hear you. Please proceed. Oh yes. Hello my name is Jessica Thorpe. I'm with our business here at Guys Market and the staff My son in law Vera there it's my call is with the off topic and I don't want to interrupt anybody but it was for a discussion I want to make with

00:38:50Shawn to follow up with him over the weekend. I'm going to have to volunteer for the meeting and I wanted to get a follow up what Pam just said and all we can do for the community and all the leaders that we got going on.

00:39:04Yeah, Hello. >> It was hard to understand as I got out. >> No. Did you just want to repeat a little bit?

00:39:15It was hard to understand. Yeah of course. Yeah. So I'm I'm I'm just Chickasaw. I'm here to that market. The business here located in District nine And you go and have the opportunity meet Shawn a while back and we just want to focus on the meeting today and buy it and make it I just want to explain that I want to

00:39:35discuss all that with him and be more involved in District nine and talking to Georgia Tech community and you know, just you know, just want to get your 25 conclusion for us isn't Blair Brinkman if you can please unmute I Blair Beekman

00:39:54thanks to the previous public comment it would have been perfect for non agenda public comment time if we could have waited a few more minutes hopefully you know maybe we can consider having the non agenda public comment at the beginning of a meeting in the future Good looking and addressing

00:40:13the previous persons items. Thank you that Council PRESIDENT Lee is here and that and thanks for the words the dra. I was going to talk about vmt issues and the importance that we practice good public transportation as good as we can for this project but dray

00:40:28brought are there serious environmental concerns still with this project to consider? I mean for gas stations we have to wait 5 to 10 years sometimes before putting in a new building where a gas station was.

00:40:42Do we have to do that with this project? Certainly with data centers once we put up against government it becomes a poisoned area and you can't build there afterwards. So we got to be really mindful how we build this.

00:40:52>> Well, good luck in your efforts. Thank you. Thank you. Krypto Bradley if you can please unmute right Hector here.

00:41:01Hey, under the Trump administration now they're cracking down on h1b visas which this place in the area uses a lot of h-1b visas So make sure they got a lot of license plate readers and cameras up there because they're getting rid of the Pakistanis that h-1b have,

00:41:21you know, that kind of scam on them. So cracking down on that And then also e r o y just got raided by Homeland Security So the cat's out of the bag.

00:41:30Brother Hector, can you speak to the project? Oh yeah. This premier could be this is the appeal of the project So you can unmute positive Hector

00:41:55Academy for you. >> Oh okay. This is a great area As far as the climate goes I think there's no problems. Thanks It yes 7499 if you can please unmute Bob Bob Kozinski

00:42:17here I just want to endorse the earlier comments on having non agenda at the beginning of the meeting from time to time. Thank you and I will go to Alicia Crutcher.

00:42:30Are you speaking on behalf of the Appellant I am yeah. Sorry I tried to you earlier but I do want to give some comments.

00:42:39>> Shall I wait Is there a different time to talk or is not the time If there was some misunderstanding about your interest in talking up front my apologies but you you're going to speak as the appellant Yes.

00:42:55Okay. >> You have up to ten minutes. Okay, great. I will not take all that time. Thank you so much. Good afternoon, Council members. My name is Alicia Richer. I'm an attorney speaking on behalf of Supporters Alliance for Environmental Responsibility or c for Seafarers actually asked

00:43:12the Council to grant the appeal of the 10509 Justice Toronto Parkway project The city is relying on the 2022 Mayor Mesa Community Plan program are and a Section 15162 evaluation to conclude that no additional environmental review is

00:43:27necessary for this project. But the fact that this project is generally consistent with the community plan does not end the sequent inquiry. A program can be relied upon only to the extent that it adequately addresses the environmental impacts of the later more specific project And when that later project moves forward the city must

00:43:46determine whether additional environmental review or project level mitigation is required. There are two reasons that further review is required here. First, the city's own analysis admits that this project will have significant and unavoidable transportation impacts.

00:44:00This is not a speculation. The Section 15162 memorandum itself states that the project's transportation impact quote remains significant and unavoidable.

00:44:10The city's position is that this is acceptable because transportation impacts were already identified as significant and unavoidable In the Mayor Mesa program Air But that is precisely the problem in communities for a better environment versus the California Resources Agency.

00:44:26The Court of Appeal explained that an agency cannot adopt a statement of overriding considerations for a broad program Air and then use that earlier statement to avoid making the required findings when it later approves a specific project with significant and unavoidable impacts.

00:44:43The city now has an actual project before it not a hypothetical future development contemplated by a community plan. The city has identified a significant and unavoidable impact from that actual project .

00:44:53Chico requires the city to address that impact at the project level and if the impact cannot be reduced to less than significant, make findings in a statement of overriding considerations before approving the project.

00:45:03Second, the city has not adequately addressed the project's noise impacts or available mitigation save for retained and acoustical experts to review the noise analysis.

00:45:17The Mira mesa program found that development under the community plan would substantially increase ambient traffic noise but concluded at the program level that there was no feasible way to ensure compliance with applicable noise guidelines And now we're no longer at the program level.

00:45:32We now know the location of the project the development being proposed and the surrounding conditions. This means that the city can and must consider mitigation at a much more specific level.

00:45:42Our expert identified rubberized asphalt as one potential mitigation measure that was not evaluated and the program Air.

00:45:51His analysis explains that rubberized asphalt can reduce tire pavement interaction noise by approximately 3 to 5db compared with conventional asphalt.

00:46:01He recommends that the city evaluate whether that type of pavement treatment could reduce the project's identified noise impacts and whether it is feasible here And this really illustrates why pointing back to the program air is not enough.

00:46:12A conclusion reached for development across the entire Mira mesa community does not substitute for considering feasible mitigation When an individual project actually comes forward The Council does not need to resolve every issue that we've raised to grant this appeal.

00:46:26The city itself acknowledges that the project has a significant and unavoidable transportation impact and the record identifies project level noise issues in mitigation that have not been adequately addressed and for those reasons c4 respectfully request that the Council grant the appeal Set aside the hearing officers approval

00:46:44and require the city to complete the additional environmental review and findings required by Ziegler before reconsidering the project. Thank you so much.

00:46:53All right. Thank you for jumping in here and making your presentation. City Clerk Do we have any other note that does conclude public comment on this item?

00:47:03>> Thank you. All right. Thank you. We will now take Councilmember questions, comments and entertain a motion And we'll start out with the councilmember representing district six council PRESIDENT Pro tem We think it's PRESIDENT And first off thank you to staff the Project pellant and the project applicant for all being here today.

00:47:22Want to echo what was noted in the staff's presentation as well as report which is that we're here to consider the appeal of the consistency evaluation and in accordance with Sequoia we're not here to hear the project itself of course and just to note that, you know, I had the opportunity

00:47:38to serve on the emergency planning group for a number of years prior to serving in office and in my time there remember that we often took up issues relating to noise considerations and the noise contours especially with murmurs, presents and with every project we often, you

00:47:56know, look to specifically address and mitigate the impacts when it comes to noise, air quality emissions etc. And so with that I, I believe that upon review I would concur with development service guides staff evaluation that this proposed project is within the scope of numerous community plans program

00:48:15Environmental impact Report meaning that this project would not result in new or severe or significant impacts beyond what was already presented in that paper.

00:48:25In addition, I do want to thank staff for catching the discrepancy in condition 47 to clarify that it's Vista Sorrento Parkway not Sorrento Valley Road.

00:48:35They are certainly two different roads. So with that I will motion to approve staff's recommendation to affirm the hearing officers approval of the project modify permit condition number 47 to correctly identify the street name as Vista Sorento Parkway.

00:48:50We think that's positive. All right. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem. So we have that corrected slide which makes the reference to the correction on or the modification of permit condition number 47.

00:49:01So we have that motion to move the staff recommendation with the modification. Oh I don't know who J.F. Oh Councilmember Campbell I think we're going to do an update.

00:49:16Council member Campbell I'm happy to second the motion. >> Thank you very much. Thank you to the city clerk's office for picking up the change, not seeing anybody else in the lights.

00:49:30We have a motion by Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee and a second by Council member Campbell to move the staff recommendation including the modification of permit condition number 47 All court please call the roll.

00:49:39Thank you. Council PRESIDENT I'm sorry The voting system please cast your vote That does passed unanimously 5 to 4 with Council

00:49:55member Moreno Council Councilmember Campo and Council member Foster and Baldwin Wilbert absent Thank you Council PRESIDENT Okay, we're going to take a brief recess while council members Yellow Rivera steps away from the dial

00:50:12. Meanwhile staff can move up here for item 200 33 and 50

00:51:41All All right with that clerk please introduce item 200. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT. Item 200 is the informational update on the City of San Diego community Action Plan on Homelessness Public comment time for this item will be one

00:51:58minute per person. If you are here in council chambers please submit your speakers up to the front of the room or if you are participating remotely now's the time to raise your hand by pressing Star nine or the raise your hand icon.

00:52:07>> Thank you Council PRESIDENT All right thank you. I see staff have settled in. Please introduce yourself the record and let us know how much time you need. So adjournment and Casey Snell and we will need about 25 minutes please.

00:52:17All right. Again, when you're ready. >> Good afternoon. Council PRESIDENT And members of the city council. My name is Sarah Dorman and I'm the director of the Homelessness Strategies and Solutions Department.

00:52:26With me today is Casey Snell, senior vice PRESIDENT Of Homelessness and Housing Stability Initiatives with the San Diego Housing Commission. Also with us are Lisa Jones, PRESIDENT And chief executive officer of the San Diego Housing Commission and Tamara Koehler, chief executive officer of the Regional Task Force on Homelessness who you

00:52:44will hear from towards the end of this presentation. We are here today to present an update on the Community Action Plan on homelessness. This year's update will review progress towards the resource needs identified in the plan while also taking a broader look at how the city's homelessness response system has changed since the plan was

00:53:01adopted seven years ago. The Community Action Plan on Homelessness is a comprehensive ten year strategic plan that has guided the city's approach to addressing homelessness since the City Council approved the plan in OCTOBER of 2019.

00:53:16Due to the unprecedented impacts of the covid 19 era, an updated analysis of the crisis response and housing needs in the plan was presented to the Council in NOVEMBER of 2023.

00:53:25It identified revised shelter and housing needs and financial estimates for the coming years. The plan lays out a vision for a more effective homelessness response system that has client centered trauma informed and more focused on the individual needs of the people we serve.

00:53:43The goals shown on this slide continue to reflect the guiding principles from the plan and can guide the work of the city. The San Diego Housing Commission and our valued partners throughout the community First improve client experience by creating a system that uses evidence based practice.

00:53:58This is easier to navigate. Responsive and equitable and informed by the voices of people with lived experience. Second be accountable Make data driven decisions and create transparency by strengthening system performance.

00:54:09Investing in high impact Solutions so that homelessness is prevented or is rare brief and non-recurring. And improving collaboration and communication between providers and decision makers to maximize use of resources across the system.

00:54:26Third balance the system by investing across the continuum of need including prevention, crisis response and permanent housing so households get help when they need it and can move through the system smoothly.

00:54:37And fourth, make sure people get the right level of support. Those who need only a little help should get quick simple assistance while people with greater challenges and needs are prioritized for long term support.

00:54:47The plan's original goal was to build a strong flexible system that can adapt as new needs arise. Progress was previously measured by comparing available resources with the needs identified in the Action Plan and 2023 analysis.

00:55:01While considering the system as a whole, however, the number of beds housing units and services available is only one measure of progress. During this presentation we also look at how well the system works overall, how people enter and move through it.

00:55:18How resources are targeted, how partners coordinate and how quickly Data helps us to respond to changes. This broader view matters. The environment since 2018 has changed significantly.

00:55:29Demand has grown. Funding has shifted and the needs of the population have changed. Our progress includes both new resources we've added and how well the system uses them.

00:55:41>> This slide benchmarks progress towards the resource needs identified in the 2023 update to the Community Action Plan. It shows what has been added since 2020 through our f y 26 inventory and the remaining need by 2029.

00:55:54The data shows meaningful progress in some areas while also identifying that significant resource gaps still remain. Supportive housing inventory has increased by 419 beds since 2023 which is 12% of the total inventory needed to reach the 2029 goal with 6804 beds

00:56:14available and up 26 3101 additional beds need to be added before 2029 to reach the Action Plan goal. Rapid rehousing inventory has declined by 172 beds since 2023.

00:56:27With the shift in policy priorities at the federal level, rapid rehousing is expected to further decline in the next year. The f y 26 inventory is 1352 beds.

00:56:40To reach the action plan Goal 3252 additional beds would need to be added by 2029. Crisis response capacity has increased by 319 beds since 2023. The f y 26 inventory is 3061 beds leaving a remaining need of between 146 and 611 beds.

00:56:56Based on the goal range established in the 2023 analysis prevention and diversion are presented somewhat differently because the 2023 analysis established annual resource goals rather than cumulative inventory goals through 2029 and f y 26 1016

00:57:15prevention resources were available compared with the annual need of 2025 leaving an unmet annual need of 1009 resources. This is solid progress reaching 50% of the annual goal Set an action plan for added prevention resources for

00:57:32diversion 1114 annual resources were available compared with an annual need of 2700 leaving an unmet annual need of 1586 resources in f y 26 we've made significant progress reaching 41% of the annual goals set in

00:57:49the Action Plan for Out of Diversion Resources. The prevention and diversion totals include chc diversion programing art of resolution strategies, resources and other programs in the city that provide diversion of resources such as the family reunification program.

00:58:04These figures show that despite a construction of resources at all levels of government, the system has continued to add capacity in the last several years. But the goal set in the 2023 Action Plan update have not been fully met.

00:58:18The most progress has been made in diversion crisis response and prevention reflecting the intentional investments the system has made in these areas.

00:58:32>> Looking back to the original 2019 baseline provides another perspective on the scale of change and resource growth in the city's homelessness response system. Between 2019 and 2026 overall capacity across the interventions shown on this slide increased by 95% from

00:58:545924 resources in 2019 to 11,000 572 in 2026. Supportive housing increased by 111% from 3229 to 6804 beds or units.

00:59:06Rapid rehousing increased by 54% from 877 to 1352 units. Crisis response beds which now includes safe sleeping increased by 75% from 1752 to 3061 beds.

00:59:22Food parking increased by 196% from 120 to 355 resources. These increases do not mean that the current demand has been fully met. They do demonstrate, however, that the system has substantially more capacity and more diverse set of interventions is available today than when the Community Action Plan was adopted.

00:59:40It is also important to note that the 2023 Action Plan update did not establish targets for transitional housing. Current federal policy priorities are shifting and a reinvestment in those programs will begin in 2027.

00:59:53Between 2019 and 2026 transitional housing beds have decreased by 306 resources or by 42% as new transitional housing programs are introduced in the coming year. We will see an increase in these resources available in the community.

01:00:04We will start to report on these trends in our next annual update. The next section looks beyond inventory and focuses on the current landscape of the city's homelessness response system and system trends.

01:00:17Between when the Action plan was first approved in 2019 and now These include changes in demand system performance housing outcomes and the population seeking assistance.

01:00:26This distinction is important. The system is operating in an environment of greater need and continued pressure So progress cannot be assessed only by whether each numeric benchmark has been reached.

01:00:39We also need to understand whether the system is better equipped to respond to that demand whether it can serve more people, connect more households to housing, coordinate resources more effectively and adapt as needs change.

01:00:52>> The data on the following slides are intended to provide that broader picture. Demand for homelessness services has increased since 2019. At the same time we have seen improvements and important indicators of system performance and successful housing placements and the composition of needs have changed including decreases in

01:01:09veteran and transition age youth homelessness and an increase in seniors experiencing homelessness. Taken together, these trends illustrate why the action plan must function not only as a set of numeric targets but as a framework for continuously improving how the overall system responds.

01:01:26This slide shows the increase in overall demand for homelessness services between 2019 and 2026. The purpose of this comparison is to establish the context in which the system has been operating.

01:01:40Increased demand places pressure on every part of the response system from prevention and shelter to housing and supportive services . Although there has been an increase in individuals accessing the system since 2019, the following slides demonstrate how we have improved system capacity and effectiveness while simultaneously facing a larger number of people who need

01:01:59assistance. This slide reviews system performance and where possible compares today's system with the one in place. When the Community Action Plan was updated in 2023 the intent is to present a balanced view identifying areas where performance has improved as well as areas where additional

01:02:15improvement is still needed. Not surprisingly we have seen a 27% increase in the length of time people are experiencing homelessness.

01:02:23It is taking longer to secure stable housing. We are optimistic that investments in diversion and resolution strategies will improve this outcome. Since 2019 returns to homelessness have decreased by 0.7%, suggesting improved housing stability supports and prevention programing.

01:02:41Since 2019 the system has increased its performance for exits to permanent housing by 36%. This is a strong indication that the system is correctly targeting limited resources. These measures will help us assess progress towards the action plans broader objectives creating a system that is easier to navigate improves throughput, better

01:03:00matches resources to house household needs and helps more people reach stable housing. This slide looks more closely at system inflow and housing outflow since 2023 when the plan was updated.

01:03:14The measures shown represent system level populations. As noted on this slide they should not be interpreted as tracking the same individual households from entry into homelessness through housing.

01:03:24What the trend does show is that the average difference between households experiencing homelessness for the first time and households successfully housed has narrowed each year since f y 23. At the same time the number of households successfully housed has increased.

01:03:38This is important an important system level indicator because achieving a significant reduction in homelessness requires a community to improve the balance between the number of people entering homelessness and the number who can successfully exit to housing.

01:03:52The gap has not been eliminated but the direction of the trend indicates improved system flow and provides a useful measure progress beyond simply counting the number of beds or units in the system.

01:04:03Next, I'll pass it over to Casey. Thanks, Sarah. Before we move forward to the second half of our presentation, it's important to know who we are serving.

01:04:13This slide summarizes the race and ethnicity reported by participants served in the city of San Diego or chc administered programs in fiscal year 2026.

01:04:22The proportion of each group of participants identified as black, African-American or African Hispanic, Latino, multiracial and white is listed for each intervention.

01:04:34Racial categories that made up less than 5% were condensed into another other category. The other category includes individuals who identified as American Indian Alaskan native or indigenous Asian or Asian American, Middle Eastern or North African Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander.

01:04:50The other category also includes individuals who opted not to report a race or ethnicity. Additional information on demographics is also available on data dashboards that are publicly accessible on both the regional Task Force on Homelessness website and the Housing Commission's website.

01:05:05The trends in the racial and ethnic background of participants in the chc and Cities programs continue to reflect the conclusions made in the 2022 copd Action Plan addressing homelessness among Blacks San Diego and based on looking at our own data.

01:05:16People of color continue to be overrepresented in the homeless response system. 5% of San Diego County's population is black Based on 2025 census data between 15 to 43% of the people served by programs in the city or city's programs are black.

01:05:33What is important to monitor is if people of color are overrepresented in the crisis response programs, do we then see a similar level of representation and the diversion of permanent housing programs?

01:05:43Based on the data on the sly, the biggest overrepresentation are in diversion prevention and rapid rehousing programs. It's worth noting that prevent permanent supportive housing often has people who have been living in their units for years including S.O.S. Legacy programs which do not utilize the current coordinated entry

01:06:01system referral process that exists today. It's difficult to draw conclusions about the level of representation of people who identify as Hispanic or Latino due to data changes and hud's homeless management system that were made in 2023.

01:06:12Those changes resulted in people who identify as Hispanic or Latino being grouped in the multiracial category making it difficult to truly assess the number of people who identify as Hispanic or Latino .

01:06:26This slide summarizes the age of participants served in the city of San Diego and chc administered shelters safe parking, safe sleeping prevention diversion, rapid rehousing performance, permanent supportive housing and Fiscal Year 2026.

01:06:41Children under 18 make up between 6 to 42% of the population served at programs in the city's homelessness response system. Children under 18 make up 19% of the San Diego County's overall population.

01:06:56Transition age youth age 18 to 24 make up between 2 to 18% of the population served at programs within the city's homeless allowance system. This is not sorry there is not a comparison available for this age bracket within the U.S.

01:07:06Census data. Adults age 25 to 54 make up 28 to 51% of the population served . There is not a comparison available for this age bracket either within the U.S. Census data.

01:07:22Seniors 55 up make up 12 to 47% of the population served. 17% of San Diego County is overall population of 65 or older. We'd also like to know a correction for the safe sleeping intervention On the slide It is noted that 20% of persons served are minors.

01:07:37That was an error a typo. We apologize for that. The correct testing categories categories are 18 to 24 was 30% 25 to 5471% and 55 plus 27%.

01:07:50The data we have reviewed so far illustrate the system resources have drastically increased while the city continues to face substantial unmet need. This progress has occurred during a period of significant pressure on public resources and a changing funding environment that limits the ability to continually add new programing.

01:08:06As a result, a central focus has been on maximizing the impact of the resources that are available. The city county of chc, our service providers and other regional partners are coordinating more closely to identify gaps, align investments and leverage the broader system of care.

01:08:22The city and its partners have also had to identify creative approaches to maintain critical capacity as funding conditions change and investments are increasingly informed by data about demand outcomes the population needs and the relative role of different interventions in the overall

01:08:40system. >> This approach not just measuring success by the addition of individual programs but also examining how the full system works together is one of the central principles of the community action Plan and that consistent focus over the last seven years has created a stronger, more person centered and effective

01:08:56system that is supported by intentional and informed funding decisions. This slide provides examples of how the city's homelessness response system has changed about the system level and the program level since the Action plan was adopted at the system level.

01:09:11The Coordinated Shelter Intake Program or ccf created a centralized shelter referral process and stronger data infrastructure. System data provides the city a clearer view of shelter demand and allows limited shelter resources to be targeted based on emerging needs including needs among families and

01:09:27seniors. Having a centralized system can also support increased access by ensuring consistent application of eligibility criteria for shelter access, improve data integration and tools, support more transparency and consistent data informed decision making across agencies.

01:09:43Coordination among the city county. Sdh The atf and service providers has also become more structured. This helps partners identify system gaps, avoid working in isolation and leverage resources across available across the broader system of

01:09:58care. Universal terms of service and appeals processes have created more standardize expectations across city funded shelters, safe sleeping and safe parking programs.

01:10:08These standards are intended to support greater consistency and service delivery and to improve the participant experience. Client feedback systems including tools such as Pulse for Good have also expanded opportunities for people with living experience to provide direct feedback to inform program operations and system

01:10:25improvements. At the program level the city portfolio has also diversified in Cabinet resolution Grant funding has supported coordinated efforts to engage people living in encampments and connected to services and housing resources.

01:10:36Coordinated Street Outreach uses geographic deployment and differentiated service approaches to make more strategic use of outreach staff. The Shelter portfolio now includes a broader mix of congregate and non congregate options and more beds designed for specific populations.

01:10:52A chc in the city have maintained regular quarterly advisory group meetings with frontline staff, nonprofit leaders and persons with limited experience targeted sessions on shelter service delivery led to a more targeted strategy and the types of shelter programing the city strives to provide And safe

01:11:08sleeping has added another crisis response option that did not exist on the action plan was adopted. Together these changes demonstrate that the evolution of the system has involved more than just adding capacity.

01:11:19It has also involved changing how resources are access coordinated and delivered. A major component of that evolution has been the expansion of data and reporting infrastructure.

01:11:30In 2019 partners had less ability to consistently see demand outcomes and system trends across programs. Today multiple tools provide more timely information to support planning and decision making.

01:11:42The Courtney Shelter intake program collects and tracks data on request and referrals to shelter in the city. Improvements in data infrastructure have allowed for more detailed information about trends in total referrals and trends in the number of unique households referred allowing the system to identify changing demand among specific

01:11:59populations or to each makes available federally required reporting on its website and also regularly assesses what other reporting would improve stakeholders ability to understand system trends and health.

01:12:11Our two page dashboards provide regular reporting on programs and system trends across the San Diego continuing care that is dynamic and can be filtered for specific programs and periods of time.

01:12:21Rta has also introduced monthly data reports that summarize the total number of people who enter and exit homelessness each month throughout the county to support regional efforts to address veteran homelessness. If each began producing a monthly report summarizing housing outcomes for veterans in the county, a chc has also

01:12:39expanded its public dashboards that report outcomes and trends across programs and its portfolio. System navigation staff use data at the individual level to target case conferencing sessions as dhc and rdf giving service providers to review household needs according to entry information to identify

01:12:55next steps that MAY help resolve barriers to housing. All of these tools lead to increased transparency. Partners and the public have greater access to information about program performance, service delivery outcomes and populations being served.

01:13:08Better data does not eliminate resource constraints but they allow the system to make more informed decisions about how limited resources are deployed and where chance changes MAY be needed.

01:13:18The city strategy has also evolved in response to the resources changing needs and lessons learned since 2019. New state funding created opportunities to add capacity and develop interventions that were not contemplated at the same scale when the action plan was originally developed.

01:13:33The city and its partners have increased emphasis on prevention and diversion interventions intended either to prevent a household from becoming homeless or help resolve a housing crisis without a prolonged stay in a homelessness response system.

01:13:48Programing has also become more targeted to specific populations and emerging needs. Improved data allows partners to identify trends among seniors families transitioning to youth and people expanding homelessness for the first time and adjust program design accordingly.

01:14:01Feedback from people currently experiencing homelessness has important context to these data and helps identify barriers that MAY not be visible through quantitative measures alone. The system has also increasingly focused investments on interventions that can support timely exit from homelessness including diversion resolution

01:14:19strategies. Finally, strategic partnerships including philanthropic investments have helped support services and programing to expand impact. An increase in public private partnerships translates to more successful outcomes by increasing access to resources.

01:14:32These shifts reflect a more adaptive approach using data outcomes and direct feedback to continually refine how resources are targeted rather than relying on a static service model.

01:14:44A need for upstream focus such as housing stabilization and prevention resources is reinforced by the 211 Housing and Stability Report which was released in early SEPTEMBER and calendar year 2025 211 received approximately 19,000 calls related to housing instability

01:15:00a 30% increase compared with 2019. The data also indicate that households are often seeking assistance at a point of immediate crisis. 84% of callers needed help within one week to avoid losing their housing.

01:15:16More than 90% of individuals seeking new services were not currently experiencing homelessness, which highlights the opportunity for prevention resources to intervene before a household enters the homelessness response system.

01:15:28Half of callers sought referrals related to housing assistance, income support and employment services or utility assistance. The brief also identifies disparities among callers experiencing housing instability including a higher likelihood of identifying as black, having a disability, being enrolled in Medi-Cal or receiving Cal Fresh compared to the overall city or county

01:15:47population. These trends underscore why prevention remains an important component of a balanced system. Reducing inflow requires the ability to reach households before housing crisis becomes a homelessness crisis.

01:15:59The slide provides another important consideration for planning the current cost of interventions across the homelessness response system. The intervention shown here serve different purposes and populations so the figures should not be interpreted as direct cost comparisons or as interchangeable alternatives.

01:16:17Prevention Diversion generally generally require a lower investment per household because they're designed to intervene earlier and resolve a housing crisis before they require a long term home homelessness intervention. For thc prevention by 26 average shown is $7,735 per

01:16:34household which includes the cost of supportive services. Prevention costs increase in f y 26 as compared to up by 25 due to higher security deposits and rising arrears that we're seeing in households.

01:16:46To address these trends, adhd increases its cap on financial assistance. The version averages averages between approximately 2939 to $3269 per household based on the program's included

01:17:03calculation. The Housing Instability Prevention Program or hip averaged just over $11,000 per household last fiscal year, which includes the cost of services crisis response provides short term stabilization and has an average cost of approximately 48 to $67 per night or 17,520

01:17:24to 24,496% annually. The range includes the cost difference between safe sleeping and shelter programs. Contract negotiations in the last several fiscal years has resulted in cost reductions for shelter beds.

01:17:41Fiscal year 2025 costs were as much as 7% higher in fiscal year 24. Costs were 11% higher than the f y 26 costs listed on the slide. Permanent housing interventions require larger ongoing upfront investments.

01:17:56Rapid rehousing averaged $17,721 per household annually. Supportive housing averages between 22,081 and 35,942 per household annually. This is for subsidy and services for supportive housing developed during fy 26.

01:18:12Capital costs were approximately $564,953 per unit. These capital costs reflect market trends from when the properties developed an f y 26.

01:18:23Originally approved f y 24 and f y 25 which is currently the real estate division advises that it would be difficult to develop a new permanent supportive housing unit for less than $600,000 based on increases in interest rates and tariffs and other economic factors.

01:18:41Costs are affected by a number of factors including rental rates, security deposits and arrears, staffing and service intensity development costs, interest rates and broader economic conditions. The larger point is that a balanced system requires investment at multiple stages.

01:18:53Earlier interventions can help some households avoid homelessness response while higher cost permanent housing resources remain essential for households who need long term rental assistance and services .

01:19:05As we look ahead, the priorities on this slide reflect both what the data tell us about currently and what we have learned. The implemented implementation of the Community Action Plan. First maintaining existing crisis response capacity is critical in the current funding environment preserving effective resources as a priority.

01:19:24Second, the increase in seniors newly experiencing homelessness requires targeted resources across the full spectrum of need from prevention and shelter to services and long term housing solutions. Third, continued investment in prevention intervention is necessary to address growing housing instability and reduce the number of households entering homelessness whenever

01:19:42possible. And finally, local resources alone cannot address every structural driver of homelessness. Continued advocacy at the state and federal levels for long term housing solutions and at the state level for public health resources.

01:19:54For counties to be strong partners in this space remains an important part of the strategy. The numeric needs identified in that plan continue to provide an important benchmark and the demand highlighted in the two one housing instability brief in rtm pages Inflow data show continuing high need for

01:20:12robust resources. At the same time the system entering the final years of the plan is not the same system that existed in 2019. It has substantially more capacity a broader range of interventions, stronger data infrastructure, more coordinated entry and service delivery, greater regional

01:20:29collaboration and a stronger ability to identify and respond to changing needs. Our focus moving forward is to preserve these gains and continue to focus on system performance The client experience and align limited resources across the continuum in ways that advance action plans, core goals and more effective system and a better

01:20:49experience for the people that serve. Thank you. We're available to answer any question directly. I'll turn to just one. So Tamara, do you have an interesting experience that we both came in in OCTOBER 16th, 2017 And so we've been watching the system for a long time and being a little bit further away

01:21:05from it now with the work that Casey and Sarah are doing. I think what I want to share is that we talked about the numbers and almost doubling where we were in 2019.

01:21:16We talked about the fact that we have a very effective performing high performance system now. That didn't happen by accident. That was intentional investment and that was a plan that held when we were putting the plan together in 2019 We kept referring to it.

01:21:30There was a lot of plan fatigue in the city at that time just like Oh great under the plan what's it actually going to do? We have had changes in policymakers, changes in funding, changes in operational staff but the plan has held and it has held to such a degree

01:21:46that the system itself now I think holds the plan. The way the system works today, the developed and very intentional development that has happened holds us all to these goals and to this space And I am just really there's always so much more need and

01:22:04there's more demand now than there was then. It's very easy to just get varied in how hard it is and the fact that we are not meeting everybody's needs and there are still people struggling on the streets.

01:22:16But but this was done with a lot of intention from an operational perspective and a lot of really tough policy decisions and funding decisions through our policymakers. So I just want to reflect for a moment on how far we've come and the fact that we actually do have a system.

01:22:33We really had a collection of programs before. When you think back to 2017 and I just think of Sarah and Casey and both your teams and your teams as well for all the work that you've done in the space

01:22:48Excuse me. I would also add that the city's plan is an anchor point for the regional plan. It is one of the plans that built the foundation around the regional plan and the regional plan and also pulling up the same goals and the system response has been

01:23:06critical to the state funding under hap that required a plan that addressed the needs and we were able to really be ahead of the curve for so many of our other communities who are applying for state funds.

01:23:20We were one of the very first to receive our funding because of a regional plan that we didn't have to create something new. We already had something that was working and that we were investing in.

01:23:31It's also important to understand how we have grown in the system in practice. Diversion was a training and a small funded program and is now a critical element in addressing homelessness.

01:23:47It has affected our numbers of which the data we've been able to show. It's one of the tools and investments that have had measurable impact in a way when we continue to see greater demand on the system.

01:23:59The city of San Diego sees more people experiencing homelessness and we're starting to see that sort of taper down. But the greatest ability to really not only expand the services but to actually meet the needs are the development of a system to meet people where they were at.

01:24:17We didn't have a safe sleep site. We had very little safe parking and a really intentional focused approach has allowed you to take funding and allowed us as the county the continuum of care in the city as recipients of funding to actually meet the measures on the state level that a number

01:24:37of your peers are struggling to meet. And I just wanted to highlight that that's intentional. You don't hit system performance measures by backing into them. You have to intentionally fund things that will drive towards those outcomes.

01:24:48So I just wanted to confirm sort of that regional approach. How important the continuum of cares funding is to make sure that we're covering the housing which helps us hit the system performance measures and support the city's emergency response funding.

01:25:06You're safe sleeping your shelters with your funding in a really intentional collaborative way. That was intentional in the plan And so working the plan strengthens your system but it also allows us to be good stewards of state dollars access from early and often and meet your measures.

01:25:24>> All right. Thank you for the work that it took to put this packet presentation gether in first taking time to say afternoon to give this informational update .

01:25:38So first we'll go to the office of the budget analyst for comment. Thank you Council PRESIDENT I will just turn this over to Kim Desmond with our Division of Virgin Equity that controls the afternoon council for the call of members of Council.

01:25:51The idea is visionary generate equity participated in briefings with extensively in the Housing Commission last week to explore some of the equity implications as it pertains to the interventions that you heard here on slide number three in Asset as Tamara in Lisa has mentioned looking at the plan as a anchor our

01:26:10comments are actually provided within that context. So within the plan there is a strategy to create client center homelessness assistance in their priorities around using equity lands and so holding that priority as the anchor plan.

01:26:28Our comments are provided in that context. So comment number one is around data collection request and access for the housing ecosystem. As Casey stated, the data around race, ethnicity is provided for it just as the in the Housing Commission But our office located that

01:26:47the architects did not provide data for the racial ethnic portion of that Therefore MAY be available but we want to make sure that was provided in this light and get a full set of the entire ecosystem.

01:26:59So you see here Casey Sara team shaking their head because it was a conversation about how do we continually exceed you with the collaboration to make sure the data is provided from all three partners And we do that to make sure that we're looking at data that is disaggregated as we know that data that is

01:27:17not segregated it has the opportunity to mask any racial ethnic inequities impacting people of color. And so best practice is to make sure your data is all encompassing of capturing the experience of people of color by all three providers on the slide.

01:27:34And as a result of that we also noted another recommendation and we're aware of the federal landscape and so we thought it was imperative to begin addressing homelessness for blacks in New Orleans.

01:27:48There might be council MAY want to consider an update to the 2022 report and in the report we talked about action items that protect you that pertain to blacks and regions And so council MAY want to consider the need in the utility for an update to that report in 2022.

01:28:04So in closing just making sure we don't forget about the unique experience of people of color in our city in making sure that the data collection practices are available for any questions if me Yes.

01:28:17>> All right. Thank you Kim for that report And thank you Charles as well And to maybe facilitate the public comment and then the future council comments do we have a deferred Get it out of that We can take the deeper dive.

01:28:33Just simple answers at this point. Yes. We provided what was asked for but we do have we have public facing dashboards where that information is readily available so we can provide that in whatever format the city needs.

01:28:46Okay. And then we can work together to provide an update on the 2022 homelessness among black San Diegans. >> So the report was a portion of a continuum of care, a body of work And under the new administration we are not doing any equity work So there won't

01:29:03be an update to that plan But we can provide the data and the information around populations. Okay. Fair enough. I think that's really the point is to get the data on that. So okay.

01:29:15Thank you to my colleagues for indulging me for those couple of early questions. So with that clerk please proceed with public comment.

01:29:25Thank you. Council PRESIDENT Allegedly Andre if you can please come up to the microphone. You will have one minute I can have the following individuals please come up to the front row. Joy Senora Maximillian Schmidt, Natalie Roski, John Brady and Anthony Ramos That be greatly

01:29:41appreciated. Please proceed on. Ready? Yes. I'd like to give this propaganda update a warm handoff into the trash. Shawn I'm wondering when you are going to look into people dying and stuff like that It Tent City It's interesting because I can't listen to this and buy into any of the books because there's 40 people that

01:30:00have died at Tent City. They have been black and you want to sit here and talk about equity. I mean are you ensuring that your black community is dying because you guys refuse to mitigate that? We have a federal lawsuit and you guys are trying to dismiss and strike everything instead of mitigating it.

01:30:13It took a federal lawsuit for it to even be looked at And it's like talk about safely Are you kidding me? You have you put people in danger going into your program .

01:30:23They have a greater chance of dying or being raped and having it being covered up than them getting into housing. That all is being distributed in mass droves. I hope the feds raid tent city like they did Skid Row because it would expose the that's going on there and the fact that you even have Rachel's promise being directed or doing

01:30:42anything with the Catholic Charities when they are pedophiles is disturbing. Thank you for that. Consider my advice Another That was a great presentation that took a lot of work.

01:31:02Thank you so much. So I have a couple of likes balanced system and under the balanced system we have collaborative resources and invest with purpose.

01:31:14Google says purpose is more important than vision and mission. Let's look at that. I love prevention. We've got to have more focus on that And then I have a question for you.

01:31:27I want to add would you consider adding quality of data Qualitative metrics provide more equitable more equitable What You love that don't you?

01:31:44Kim More equitable Effective and community centered decisions We need qualitative metrics. It's time to add them They work. Thank you Love to all Thank you Maximilian Schmidt Hi For item

01:32:01200 Informational update on the City of San Diego community Action Plan on Homelessness on. I've spent the past two weeks protesting in front of the San Diego Police Department as well as 1100 Union which would be the court building that there

01:32:19needs to be an investigation into the Alpha Project Bridge shelter because for the past on five months of me staying there I've been brazenly tortured by strange noises like people crinkling a bag nonstop as well as people teleporting around me to try and drive me insane And

01:32:38it's all been caught on film. Am Also the logo for the shelter is a masonic logo and the name Alpha Project is a wink at Nazi Zeus design where they try to make people homosexuals by trying to get them to assault them and then

01:32:55they can't because of the law They go to jail to try and drive them to insanity or suicide And it's absolutely there needs to be an investigation.

01:33:04>> It's absolutely atrocious what's happening with Natalie Raskin. Hi, Natalie.

01:33:17Prevention I think is extremely important. I did use Legal Aid this past couple of years that helped prevent me from being evicted over a water bill. >> There are some key words that stuck out to me Balanced system intentions how we show up creative funding prevention And I'm curious working with

01:33:35ai, are we having any think tanks that are using ai to help move us forward and and use it to our advantage?

01:33:47Because I have created some ideas and I'm curious if that's what we're utilizing in the best way that we can because it's not going anywhere and there's ways to use it Ethical I think collaborative is a good idea and using people with lived experience so they

01:34:05can tell you what their needs are And I don't know if there's access for people to do that that have lived experience even if they are currently homeless one minute is really not enough. >> John Brady So it's been a

01:34:23year of trauma thanks to what's happening in federal government and I want to commend everybody on the front line that has done such an incredible job and funded significant improvements. I do want to address a couple of things.

01:34:33There used to be a mayor's leadership team that I received this committee. I served on that group that no longer exists and that was a weakening of the homeless voice. I also used to serve on the regional task force on the Executive Committee and because of a failure to provide reasonable accommodation I was drummed out of that commission

01:34:50commission and now we're working with the county to make sure that this system provides reasonable accommodation for people with disabilities. I went to apply for a new committee to oversee the revenue for homeless funding and there's a poison pill in there that doesn't allow me to serve.

01:35:06These are issues that I want to see addressed. We have more seniors on our street now than ever. They're one of the fastest growing groups and people with disabilities will grow the longer they're on their streets.

01:35:18And as you saw, people are spending up to three years waiting for housing. >> Thank you so much. Thank you. Anthony Ross.

01:35:28Good afternoon City Council. I want to start by thanking our city staff for the incredible presentation. Thank you for all of your hard work and I want to thank our city council members who have experience in this position and have personal experience in this position.

01:35:40I'm grateful that we're led by people that know what it's like to be homeless and that is something that I think is the driving force of the mentality that we need to really get ourselves out of this situation Where we have it says that only 5% of San Diego's population is black but

01:35:58they constitute 15 to 43% of the population served by the homeless services. That tells me that we have an enormous disparity, an enormous amount of racial injustice still going on in San Diego that we need to address.

01:36:10I also see that we have through the presentation statistics it talks about 25 to 54 year olds are constituted is almost 70% of the homeless population.

01:36:19That tells me that we also have a lot of intergenerational injustice going on and I am a growing facet of a population that's 63% away from being one paycheck away from homelessness.

01:36:30Hope we can address Thank you for that concluding comment That does conclude public comment here in council chambers going to those participating remotely starting with Laurie Saldana if you can please.

01:36:42I mean we currently have eight speakers in the queue. >> All right. Please proceed. Yes. Thank you for this report And I would love to hear a report on the status of the lawsuit has been filed against the city for unsafe sleeping sites.

01:36:53The Bradley versus City of San Diego is an active case alleging abuse and the lack of human conditions and reasonable accommodations for people in these camps.

01:37:04Also I want to encourage you to get people out of flood the flooding areas downtown.

01:37:14There was a proposal recently to build affordable housing in a shelter in the same floodplain that has repeatedly flooded and destroyed people's belongings in a nearby shelter . So I the lack of affordable housing but it's failing to

01:37:32address these solutions for some really critical issues including the abuse of people who lack food, shade and adequate shelter at these tent camps.

01:37:43That lawsuit is active. I encourage the council for it to get an update. >> Sorry your time has concluded. Care Katherine Rhodes If you can please unmute.

01:37:54After Katherine Rose will be Kathleen Limpet Please proceed. Hi this is Katherine Rhodes first yes in GOD's backyard be is is creating affordable housing that $260,000 per unit.

01:38:09So it's half off the 565,000 per unit price you have So called them up also. Can you talk about why why you're not going forward or trying to get 24 hour for the safe sleeping site at h Barracks at Liberty Station

01:38:25A.C. And then of course my solution for homeless is to get the 10,000 affordable housing units that were destroyed in the downtown center city project area on to the successor agency recognize obligation payment schedule all that it would need for us to put in 10,000 units or let's

01:38:43say $1 billion onto the debt is for leadership But not one person here at the city council understands what I'm talking about that we could actually solve our homeless problem and fully fund it outside of the general fund.

01:38:58Thank you. Thank you. Kathleen Lippert. If you can please unmute after that will be Julie Porter. >> Thank you. Good afternoon. Council The system performance measures MAY be obscuring some of the concerns of community members when they report that their parks and open spaces are

01:39:14no longer safe. A walk downtown requires navigating around the many homeless drug abusers and those with mental health problems.

01:39:24Homeless policies must also be balanced against their impact on existing communities and their ability to enjoy their parks and public open spaces that previously nurtured communities, families and children When city policies and contracted NGOs accommodate homelessness, open drug use and

01:39:44those with mental health problems to make them make parks and open spaces less available for families and people of all ages, homelessness services must be accompanied by deterrence or the outcomes will be paradoxical providing incentive

01:40:03as food tent and living medical services and especially leaving them alone to near time drugs and including I'm sorry Julie Porter please unmute.

01:40:17>> Good afternoon City Council Thank you Lisa and Tamara for your presentations and your team. I was housed in 2017 after being out on the street for several years.

01:40:31I was six years old at the time so we're now nine years later and not getting any younger.

01:40:41We will continue to see the population of seniors homeless seniors growing and I'm very concerned about that.

01:40:51I'm concerned about them and safe sleeping areas because a car or motor home I'm sorry are not meant to live in and are growing needs.

01:41:04As seniors we have to scale up for disabilities. I was able to move to a lower unit. My landlord accommodated me because my disabilities.

01:41:15I just wanted to say thank you very much and thank you for having come today. Thank you for that concluding comment 3956 If you can please unmute 3956I can hear me for you.

01:41:34There you go. >> The final time around is also sorry the phone timer has also concluded there's three speakers in the queue. No additional speakers will be taken. My apologies Please continue. >> Oh yeah no my name is Jesse.

01:41:48I called a bit earlier. I'm not too sure if you Shaun understood me a little bit. I just want to make sure you're back there 207 I said to him I don't crypto Bradley if you can please unmute.

01:42:00All right And once again the city team has forgotten a major thing like the rental or the reasons that you mentioned the invasion that we suffered under Joe Biden the hundreds of thousand illegal aliens that came through San Diego and a lot of them stayed here tens of

01:42:19thousand illegal aliens are occupying the city right now And the team there didn't even mention that didn't even mention life. You they're living in la la land.

01:42:29All these illegal aliens got to be deported will open up all sorts of different housing while they're taking jobs.

01:42:38They're hiding in the bushes. They're doing illegal stuff and illegals stuff but they're also occupying rental units and houses and neighborhoods.

01:42:48They got to go even there in the church pews Do It'll clear out more room for the churches to have citizens in the churches and not promoting this this lies that truth telling Thank you.

01:43:03>> Thank you. Next is Blair McMann And then our final speaker is Judy Strang. Hi Blair Beekman. We're heading into 2027. I think we're supposed to be maturing a bit on our policy practices here in San Diego.

01:43:16What we can be doing well packed the past four years and city San Diego government has explained what it's been doing really well in the past.

01:43:29I hope their words can be a more regular part of the process. It's actually housing People really well and city government was really proud to talk about that previously. It was nice to hear I hope we can do that in 2027.

01:43:44I also hope that people like Drake he's been really making such good public comments about the encampment issues and such. The encampment leaders have to be more flexible and negotiable and listenable.

01:43:54They have to listen more and I think they're learning that good luck how we continue to build that into 2027. There are other issues for a lot of them.

01:44:04Good luck that we are addressing our concerns at this time. >> Thank you Judy Strine if you can please unmute.

01:44:13>> Good afternoon San Diego City Council Thank you for this opportunity to share a couple of questions I had from the report. Thank you to those who prepared and delivered the report You mentioned a coordinated shelter intake program but I didn't get

01:44:29any sense of what does that look like? Is it open only certain hours, certain days of the week if and only online can it be in person If it is online, how soon are people responded to if it's in-person, is it fully staffed?

01:44:47We need to understand what the first line of defense is for our citizens and if that need is being met. And my second question regarding regarding is the client feedback system.

01:44:58I had the same sort of question What does it look like? Where can they find it? Is there ever an in-person contact so retired social worker I know that first contact makes a difference and it's got to be expedient.

01:45:12It should be in person and it should be instantly or close to responded. >> Thank you. Thank you. That concludes public comment on this item. All right. Thank you City Clerk.

01:45:21I will turn it over to my colleagues for questions and comments As a reminder this is an information item only and no motion is required.

01:45:31And before I go to Councilmember Ella Rivera, I got to ask the question why did we dock at this? And I thought it was really important to docket this outside the budget conversation because by and large city council is actually making decisions during the budget conversation in terms of how much the city's general fund is being allocated the budget for

01:45:53the Housing Commission and I thought it was important to separate it from that conversation and get that update that you provided so well And for us to dig in a little bit better and for the Council to take a larger role in these conversations because otherwise we're sending

01:46:10you signals that we don't realize and this is an opportunity and I know this won't be the last conversation on this very, very important topic but that was kind of the motivation that me and my office thought this was the right time to have that conversation.

01:46:24>> And with that we will go to council member Ella Rivera. Thank you Council PRESIDENT. I appreciate us having this conversation. I think that the regularity of the conversations that we have about this topic speaks to how much we prioritize it as a city and as a council and our

01:46:42engagement earlier on in the process should be should help in ensuring that more of our priorities and our preferred approach to addressing the issue is incorporated into into how we

01:47:01are addressing the issue. I also want to say thank you to everyone for the presentation and the work that went into the report. I feel like I have to say this every time we talk about this issue I appreciate the effort.

01:47:16I know that there are a lot of people who spend an extraordinary amount of time and put an extraordinary amount of effort into responding to homelessness, preventing homelessness, working in this space.

01:47:29It is a an emotionally taxing and exhausting area of work with not nearly enough resources applied to it. I know and see all that and I feel like we have a responsibility to ask all the difficult questions because the circumstances that any of us are dealing with here in these chambers pale in

01:47:45comparison to people who are actually experiencing homelessness not just on the streets but experiencing homelessness in any way shape or form. >> So with all that being said, I it is clear that we are doing more as a city than we were

01:48:03doing when this plan was initially put together and that what we are doing is better informed by best practice than it was before this plan was in place.

01:48:18At the same time our homelessness system needs to continue to evolve and that evolution needs to more heavily lean into prevention, diversion and permanent housing.

01:48:30We need to help people before they lose their homes, resolve housing crises quickly and ensure people experiencing homelessness have a path to a permanent home. The data shows that that is that those are successful investments and I should say even more than that

01:48:46the testimony of those who are experiencing homelessness tell us that that is the best way for us to tackle this issue and we shouldn't require someone to lose everything before we help them a missed paycheck or rent increase or a family emergency should trigger support from their city and their community.

01:49:05It shouldn't lead to a catastrophe especially when so many people are on the verge of missing a paycheck, experiencing a rent increase or having a family emergency.

01:49:15Keeping people housed needs to be a central responsibility of our city And I recognize that diversion has become an increasing has had a stronger and stronger role in what we are doing But it needs to have

01:49:32an even greater one. That means working with someone at the moment of crisis to identify a safe housing option and provide the flexible assistance needed to make it possible.

01:49:41And it must be a real offer to help with a safe and voluntary outcome. And finally permanent housing must drive the entire system. Shelter provides immediate safety but we need somewhere for people to go next That requires homes.

01:49:52People can afford rental assistance and supportive housing with services for people who need ongoing support requires a housing system that isn't completely driven by profit motives and instead recognize that that recognizes that housing is a human right

01:50:09and our budget should follow these goals our investments in emergency shelters should come a credible plan for exits to housing and other action plan Vision calls for aligned leadership but I think our elected leadership has has not actually given that role

01:50:25the power that it deserves Without housing commission working with with homeless services staff we would not have seen the system change the performance metrics we see today.

01:50:37But the plan was written to ensure that they were not just leading this work and working and doing this work on their own.

01:50:46When we have multiple departments and teams within the city and the Housing Commission, the city's housing authority doing similar work instead of combining funding and leading with one mission and one notice of availability we are replicating efforts working less efficiently and ultimately not serving the homeless population in

01:51:04the way that we could. That means we need county leadership, the mayor's office, the council PRESIDENT, the council members ourselves philanthropy all of us actively at the table consistently meeting to advance shared goals.

01:51:18It shouldn't require the council PRESIDENT Requesting a report. It should be an active conversation. It shouldn't require council members forcing our ways in the conversations which as far as far too often been our experience over the years.

01:51:32With all that being said, I do have a few questions that I really want to dig into here. We've we've heard it multiple times during during public comment and we've seen a lot of reporting on it and that's the deaths that are occurring at the safe sleeping site.

01:51:47Last year we requested that the council be notified when these deaths occur and I appreciate that those updates have are happening But I want to dig in a little bit to what we hear and what happens after we get those reports.

01:52:07On JUNE 25th and JULY 6th. So within a almost two weeks span we heard of two deaths.

01:52:16One of those messages said I'm sorry to have to share that. We learned this morning of a participant at oh la safe Sleeping passing away. No additional information is available at this time. Please let us know if there's any questions.

01:52:34On SEPTEMBER 5th the message was received that a participant passed away at ola Safe Sleeping This morning a service provider found them unresponsive during routine checks around 10:15 A.M.. No additional information is available at this time.

01:52:47A similar message was received on OCTOBER 5th. Is there any additional information about those deaths that we should be made aware of ? Councilmember There is some personal identifying information that we would not generally share for the privacy of the individual based on some

01:53:04of the information that you've probably received through the media. Any cause of death has to be determined by the county medical examiner When we send you those text messages We do not have that information readily available to us.

01:53:14Generally that's on site support staff that identifies an individual has passed away and then refers that over to the county medical examiner and we don't receive that information unless we ask for it directly.

01:53:25So do we ask for it directly? It depends. It depends on on the situation. We generally do get the information we can share that with you once we have it but we don't get it right away.

01:53:35Yeah, understood. And the concern here is not what we we hear initially it's what we hear after that And what I, I will not accept and what we cannot accept and I'm not implying that this is the case but far too often

01:53:52people experiencing homelessness are looked past and look through and are already being treated in such a way as to lead them to believe that they don't matter to us the way and we're all guilty of it where we walk past people

01:54:08experiencing homelessness and don't offer assistance the way that we accept the fact that homelessness exists in this country to all the richest country in the history of the world a beautiful city like ours.

01:54:21All of that makes people feel like they don't matter And then when they die and we report that a death happened and move along as if it's just part of the business of of having a homeless system in our city that just can't be we can't

01:54:40allow that to continue on as it has been. And it's not that I don't understand that the people who are experiencing homelessness have a variety of issues that they're dealing with and that the folks that save sleeping show up oftentimes with incredibly complex situations that make it challenging to

01:54:59meet their health needs. What I am insisting is that we do more to to meet those health needs And when we see people die on a monthly basis, something has to change And how we are responding to that because otherwise how can we not be led to believe that the city is accepting of those

01:55:18deaths? So each of the medical examiner reports that I'm aware of of the most recent deaths have pointed to substance overdose as the cause of death JUNE 4th

01:55:39an accidental overdose of methamphetamine, JUNE 25th, a methamphetamine toxicity and hypertension as contributing factors JULY 6th overdose of Vietnam meth, amphetamine and pcp.

01:55:57So my question slash demand is when are we going to provide the services that it is very obvious these folks need? And is there a plan in place to provide services for people experiencing substance use disorder?

01:56:12>> Councilmember Our teams that work on site at safe sleeping do of course offer the ability to refer folks that are willing and able to accept into a substance use treatment.

01:56:22I can point to recently within the last couple of months we did hold a all hands on deck recovery effort at a lot and that day we brought together dozens of different providers specifically related to substance use that had beds available.

01:56:40We were able to transition 19 individuals from that day into a recovery center. I will say that we work with folks again We can't force anyone into treatment but it is absolutely offered at every step of the way.

01:56:51As we look forward we are looking at other opportunities to bring in certain substance use providers on site that would be there 24 seven and that's something that we're actively engaged with with a health care provider that's happening right now.

01:57:04That's correct. And will you let the council know when that has been secured and begins is stood up and running? Of course. Thank you. I appreciate those efforts there And I think it's important to know those updates

01:57:21because it's important to know that we're doing things different when we see these efforts happening because again, otherwise the only logical conclusion is that we're okay with it and we can't be okay with people dying.

01:57:31And I know that the whole intent of creating the safe sleeping site was to prevent people from dying on the streets But I don't know that there's any.

01:57:44I'll leave it there. >> The last question is so specific to 20th and b we've heard claims of rodent infestation and concerns around safety that are pretty alarming. Do you know what the downtown partnership is planning to do to address this in their in their contract renewal?

01:58:00>> And when is the next contract up for renewal? If it's 20th and b specifically that's operated by James for change not the Downtown San Diego Partnership.

01:58:09But regardless, dreams are change and the downtown San Diego Partnership Their contract expires JUNE 30th of this year and there's one option year for renewal for both of those two contracts As it pertains to the complaints, we take every complaint that's submitted to our office very seriously and the county themselves provides that their

01:58:27personnel for vector control. They've been on site dozens of times. They provided some suggestions . The most recent visit they they did they felt sufficient with what we had done and accomplished. But we do take every complaint very seriously.

01:58:40Okay. And and those standards of kind of basic health and habitability are those factored in to consideration as to whether a contractor would be considered for renewal?

01:58:52Absolutely. If a contractor is not providing that service that would be a violation of their existing contract requirements . >> Okay.

01:59:01I appreciate that. And then last but certainly not least thank you Kim for the report you provided. Tamra, I hear you that the federal government has somehow made it unacceptable to

01:59:18understand who is being impacted, how people are being impacted and when there are disparities in the way people are being impacted in on a variety of issues ranging from homelessness to health outcomes you name it that makes us a less smart country and certainly a less just country.

01:59:36At the same time, I don't think that that removes our responsibility to to pay attention to an area that we know that there are gross grotesque disparities and the racial outcomes with respect to almost instantly fall into that category.

01:59:55And so if it's not something that the Continuum of care Regional Task Force on Homelessness or anyone who receives federal funding is able to do is there anything precluding the city from staying on top of the really important work that was done?

02:00:11I mean this is something that was stood up. We started I think in 2020 We stood it up a lot of effort and resources went into making sure that we were paying attention to this because black San Diego were six times more likely than non-black people to experience homelessness.

02:00:23And that was just kind of the beginning of the of the disparities there. How can the city fill in How could who should we also should we should we be looking to to fill in that gap to make sure that all that work that was done doesn't just fade away?

02:00:38>> Thank you, Councilmember. You were critical in standing up the beginning of that in the work. It is true as a continuum of care We're now prohibited from doing that work but we are not prohibited from providing accurate and complete data.

02:00:57Our public facing dashboards still break it out by race, ethnicity, age, gender all the demographics. It is something that the city can pick up any of that work and have access to the data that you would need to to be

02:01:13able to do that work. There were great strides made in that work that continue in the community training test tested programing.

02:01:23Great work done with backpack and those things continue and those are well within the city's access to continue to connect with that we can provide all of the information on the work to date until the continuum is required to pivot from that work And so

02:01:41anything that the city needs from access to information or any of that body of work is readily available and would be provided to the city.

02:01:52>> Okay Sara, I don't know if it's for you to respond to or Kota can we ensure that the city is working with our h to ensure that work that was being done as part of the action plan and the report on addressing homelessness

02:02:11amongst blacks any against continues. Yes we will absolutely pick that up. Okay. I appreciate that. It's incredibly important for obvious reasons and again especially because so much work went into it.

02:02:24We can't allow that PRESIDENT Insistence that we turn our head the other way allow for the work that was done here in San Diego to to, you know, go by the wayside. Council PRESIDENT Thank you for the generosity with time here.

02:02:35I appreciate the conversation. Thank you again the staff for your work on this obviously incredibly important issue And San Diego just won't be the city that we can and should be so long as homelessness persists in the way that it is and I will forever be hopeful that we can do better.

02:02:49>> Thank you. All right. I put on the clock the 5:00 hour for all my colleagues. Watch your time. But this is an incredibly important conversation.

02:02:58This is a unique opportunity to have the key players in this conversation. So I want to take advantage of that for the city council. We'll go next to council member Campbell Thank you.

02:03:11>> I'll be I'll be brief. I've been here eight years now and this was my number one issue when I started council in 2018 actually was 2019 was my first full year and I was involved with the very first report a little bit with the second report And I must say the progress has been

02:03:30substantial And I, I have to thank you all for the tremendous leadership and all the good work that you've done.

02:03:39I'm a physician. I see this as a health care problem. It is a health care problem. I don't think we will ever normalize it.

02:03:49i know my colleague council member, he was worried that we're normalizing getting used to homelessness. No, we can never normalize it.

02:03:59We must correct it and we must continue to work toward that goal. And if you guys weren't so diligent and doing so well the past few years, we would have tens of thousands of homeless people on the streets .

02:04:13So I thank you for all your good work. It is working. Thank you. And we will continue to find new ways better ways to continue the ways that are working, get rid of the ways that aren't working and get this problem resolved.

02:04:31We there's five things we need. As I said many years ago I studied this issue a great deal because to me it's a health care issue and there are five things we have to do all at once and we're doing a lot of them.

02:04:46First thing we have to unite the providers and we have managed to do a lot of that especially through our computer systems where all the providers can talk to each other and know where there are available beds, where is there available housing, who has some rental properties that might work etc.

02:05:05Etc. So thank you for achieving that. That's a huge task throughout the county. Really appreciated. The next thing is outreach and we do have people doing outreach going out train people talking with the homeless so that we can find out what is their individual story because

02:05:24every single person has a different story. Some people have an economic problem, some people have an addiction problem whether it's drugs, alcohol or maybe it's a mental health problem that they don't quite understand.

02:05:40The treatment is definitely available Modern treatment for psychological problems has evolved tremendously in the last decade, let alone the last 20 years.

02:05:54So that's very important to find out what does that particular person need And how can we provide what it is to get them on the right path so that they can again be functional And we're doing that with the opiate money from the settlement on that lawsuit

02:06:13we have started a whole new programs to help with addictions and they're working . We just need more of them. We need more and besides those two things unification and outreach we need wraparound services.

02:06:28So that is all the programs that help the people such as prevention If you're having an economic problem I saw in the statistics you presented 84% of people who call 211 for housing help in an emergency are within a week of losing

02:06:46their housing. That's not good. We have to get Ahold of them sooner. They need to call us sooner. They don't know that. So we need to do a lot of educating of the public but we also need to be able to provide that housing which we can't because we have a problem of great demand and very few

02:07:05houses available And that's what we were in the process of trying to fix that are our preservation of current housing programs are really excellent that we started here in council just a couple of years ago.

02:07:19If we could have more help, more input financially from the state, the county about that that would be tremendously helpful So that with just a few hundred dollars extra a month people especially elder people would still be able to pay their rent and stay in their home and that would be good.

02:07:38So the next thing of course is the housing shelter building of these things And there are so many laws in regard to this in this state.

02:07:48I don't know if this is correct. I should ask Michelle if this is correct. I ask the lawyers is it true that in California there's something in the Constitution about not building public housing Council member there are there are many laws on

02:08:07the books in California regarding housing and affordable housing. We'd be happy to connect with you offline and dive into that more specifically. Yeah, because if it's so difficult to get it provided maybe we need to fix the law so we can provide it more easily.

02:08:23We need to have places available immediately so when someone becomes homeless we can immediately help them and if they're physically and mentally and emotionally able to be in a place on their own, great.

02:08:40Wouldn't that be great if we could just say Oh here we have something for you but if they need other help we can help them too. So that's the that's the four things unification outreach, wraparound services, housing

02:08:56and shelters and transitional spaces as well. But we also need to audit We need to be very careful. We have to watch what's good, what's bad, get rid of the bad, create more good and watch the money.

02:09:10So we have to be really careful and I hear it It just I know that we've been doing these things all at once. They have to be done all at once and they are being done.

02:09:25I1i have a question for you guys, all of you including Tamara of course about the county. The county is in charge of Health and Human Services and I know people in the city don't even know that that is the county's purview, not ours in the city.

02:09:43And we try very hard to provide these programs that are more health oriented for our homeless people. But I want to know how is the county doing? Is the county helping us more so from my viewpoint I'd say than the last eight years I've seen the county step up better but I still haven't seen what I

02:10:01would love to see from the county. What do you think Tamara She's our county person in charge of our county task force not a county employee but regional responsibility.

02:10:21I think the future of the county behavioral health in addressing homelessness is being changed on the state level. They're requiring an investment much more in the housing in the right level of supports along with the health plans to

02:10:36be very intentional for enhanced case management, very hard to build for for providers but we're learning it and they're getting in to be able to get those strong wraparound services.

02:10:50It will be something for you to watch as a city where the behavioral health I think it's Proposition one where 50% of their dollars are now to be invested in housing and the investment of a population in experiencing homelessness is

02:11:05still a priority for them. So they are leaning into things like transitional rent which is new really It's a coordination between health plans and behavioral health and behavioral health at the county Now being its own department will be really helpful as well.

02:11:21So we're starting to see this transition and on a state level a pivot to look at behavioral health as a responsible department and party around to addressing homelessness and that has not been the direction in previous.

02:11:39So that's something for us to watch to make sure that it's being invested where those dollars for service and housing will be showing up in the city of San Diego is an important I think lens for us as we coordinate but also an important one for you to hold the county I can't

02:11:54informationally Where's that showing up? Where is it accessible for populations They are bringing more treatment beds on continuum of care If this funding round is funded it the way it is intended and is not changed in litigation will

02:12:13be bringing more recovery and transitional housing beds which will be an important piece. But it's the long term stability of behavioral health .

02:12:23So I think it is a pivot in the right direction. We just need to follow it and make sure we understand that it's showing up to serve this population. Thank you so much. I'm so glad those those steps are in process.

02:12:34Of course if you're a homeless person you need it today, you know and that's hard. That's that's difficult. Government works too slowly and we have to try and make it more efficient and more available for more immediate needs.

02:12:52But so I just want to thank you for all the work you've done all these years. You are a great leader for a regional task force on homelessness and I, I, I can't give you enough kudos As far as our housing Commission goes.

02:13:07You've heard me say it in the past. It's the best one I think in the entire world. It's amazing what you've done with so little financial backing to do it and still you keep on You keep on.

02:13:20I thought this year we'd completely be seeing thousands of people out of their homes on the streets because of the lack of federal help and somehow somehow you have managed to keep things going.

02:13:35Our city office thank you so much for everything you guys have done. It's just and I'm so grateful that we're all working together. We were from the beginning too. But this is just really good and I want people to know that San Diego is a leader in finding ways to resolve these

02:13:51problems of people without shelter. If we just have shelter, clothing and nutritional food and health care we can help our people be healthy and be giving members of our community.

02:14:10So thank you so much for everything you do. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Council PRESIDENT All right. Thank you, Council member Campbell. We'll go next to Council member Whipper Thank you Council PRESIDENT I very much appreciate all the work that has been done and continues to be done to reduce homelessness in San Diego.

02:14:26The city's Department of Public Strategies and Solutions, the San Diego Housing Commission and the Regional Task Force on Homelessness are instrumental to addressing this crisis The creation of safe sleeping sites a few years ago

02:14:42along with the addition of shelter beds resulted in a significant drop in street homelessness as people were able to get into safer and healthier places.

02:14:51We saw those declines as recently as last JANUARY's point in time count. However in the month since then there is a widespread perception that the number of people living on the streets has increased that anywhere near the levels that they used

02:15:06to be at. But it seems to have caught up . We need the number of people living on the streets to keep going down not to be going back up.

02:15:16Many of these people will come off the streets if we simply had a shelter bed or a safe sleeping site or somewhere else for them to go. How do we know that We know they would come off the streets because many of them are asking us to come off the streets and we are literally telling them

02:15:37no, We are telling them no, we don't have an appropriate shelter bed or safe sleeping site for them. We tell them they'll just have to spend another night on the streets that is inhumane and that is unacceptable.

02:15:52I will acknowledge that there is a place for every intervention shelter prevention ,diversion, housing all of that is incredibly important But my priority will continue to be the person who is living on the street today begging us

02:16:09for a place to go And I will continue to prioritize those interventions that help people who are living on the streets today get into a safer and healthier place as immediately as possible.

02:16:24That is the humanitarian crisis and that is what we need to address. Thank you very much for helping people and safe sleeping get into recovery centers when possible. Some of the people that are safe sleeping sites are people who have been living outdoors for years years people whose

02:16:41health is very fragile, people who continue to struggle with substance abuse every life lost its safe Sleeping is a tragedy as is every life lost on the streets.

02:16:52The data shows that far fewer people die in safe sleeping. They die on the streets. In fact, safe sleeping has contributed to a significant decline in deaths among the homeless population according to the medical examiner In 2023 627 people

02:17:13experiencing homelessness died. That number dropped to an estimated 495 people to 2024 and in 2025 that number dropped further to 375.

02:17:27That is 375 too many of course, but it is a big drop from 627 and we need the number of deaths to keep declining. We have sadly lost some people in safe sleeping but overall it is helping significantly more people to stay alive.

02:17:43Thank you, Council PRESIDENT. All right. Thank you. Some of whitburn Council member Foster Yes. Thank you. Thank you for the report And I

02:18:02guess the work that goes into this and and I just want you to know I do appreciate all of your team's efforts in regards to this.

02:18:13I know it's a complex matter. I know funding is always a concern and an issue but I guess I'm still struggling

02:18:37because I feel as if this sentiment I feel as if the sentiment that is being conveyed is things are improving and we are making progress.

02:18:53But as I you know as I'm actively out in my district, I'm not seeing or feeling that things are improving.

02:19:05I basically spend my time driving into the office driving the streets downtown and I must say I'm not necessarily seeing progress or at least feel it

02:19:23feeling as if the message is being conveyed that I can see it also I'm a little perplexed as we talk about that progress

02:19:42I still feel as if we are focused in very specific areas and how we prioritize and those areas quite frankly are downtown And again I have said has over the past few months I

02:20:00appreciate the work that Downtown Partnership does but they are focused on downtown and they get the attention that they demand.

02:20:16Same thing when you talk about beach communities or those what I term high revenue generating areas seems to be an effort made to make sure that we are prioritizing those areas And I'm going to say moving people because I don't think we're necessarily making progress into housing or transitional

02:20:44housing or or things to that per se The objectives and goals that we are actually trying to to meet. And so I'm very, very concerned on what we are actually accomplishing versus

02:21:01the perception that we are trying to per se convey to the public. And I'm also very concerned because we did make a lot of efforts to and when we talk about homelessness in the black

02:21:23community I really feel we have not made any progress in regards to our efforts And quite honestly I feel as if we get more excuses as to why we can't do something and like to bring up Donald Trump and

02:21:47things that hud is doing. But quite honestly I don't care what Donald Trump is doing or what hud is doing we do need to follow certain parameters in regards to reporting and checking the box that they would want us to check but it

02:22:06does not prevent us from doing what's right and making sure we have a system that is tracking what we needed to track and so that we are able to easily identify are we making progress or are we not?

02:22:19And I'm speaking specifically to black homelessness because if we are at the time we did the report I think we were about 27 to 30%.

02:22:29I'm hearing in some categories you give me a range somewhere is as high as 43% or some things that we are seeing that we are servicing and doing certain things which tells me we are not prioritizing And so

02:22:46if someone can shed some light as to why we are continuing to see this type of impact, why we are continuing to struggle and help me to understand that and without giving me Donald Trump

02:23:04in a hud explanation because I think at some point folks on this council need to take a position of who the cares what Donald Trump's feelings are

02:23:21quite honestly and worry about our community here. So if someone can help me to understand this we have three agencies here the city the housing commission and the Regional Task Force on Homelessness.

02:23:35If you can help me to understand because quite frankly I'm at a loss.

02:23:45Councilmember sorry. This is a very tough conversation. I understand that and I completely understand the conversation about who cares what the federal level is doing, What are we doing here locally and as an agency that receives federal funding and local funding and has our own

02:24:03funding, we have to navigate through all of those things and find the pathways forward. And I think when we talk about the data, when we set a range of 15% to like 43%, some of that was okay We MAY see black sand even showing up in our

02:24:20programs overall at around 1,525%. But in our rapid rehousing programs they're showing up at a higher rate. But that's a housing solution. That's an exit out, right?

02:24:33So that to me I see that rather than a negative I see that as a potentially a positive because that means that that solution is getting accessed And I'm not saying that it's a positive that we're serving a lot of folks.

02:24:45I'm saying it's a positive that we don't have If we had black funding again showing up in our population at say the homeless population at 27% but only showing up in our housing solutions at 10%, that would be really problematic, right?

02:25:00We want to at least make sure that there's access that they're getting the same access to programs as other folks are . One of the ways that we can do that as an agency without sort of falling afoul of all of the different funding streams that we have to navigate is how we engage with community.

02:25:19So we have a community based organization advisory board. One of the things we do is share out about the resources that are available particularly prevention and diversion. So you see fairly high rates of access amongst blacks and Hagans and Bipoc populations of those programs because we're pushing that information out there.

02:25:37Bay Park has a direct referral process to our prevention programs which is another way we are trying to balance access. It's not perfect So this isn't from a place of defense because this isn't defensible like it's a bigger issue than that.

02:25:49But these are some of the things that we're doing to try to work towards creating that access and addressing that disparity where we're seeing more folks of color and black students coming in than in the overall population how

02:26:07they're represented. But we also need to see our housing solutions meeting and hearing that higher disproportionate percentage so that we're also seeing people having their housing issues resolved.

02:26:18That's that's how we're trying to look at it right now. Like I said, not a solution But those some of the things that we're working on I appreciate that.

02:26:31I guess my next question will be in regards just to overall numbers, I mean this is something that I've struggled with for an extended period of time When we do our point in time count or when we are dealing with homelessness we tend to stay in again I would

02:26:53say we can we stay in high revenue generating areas. Most of that focus is downtown and where we have sidewalks but I have a considerable amount of creek creeks that run through district four canyons and and

02:27:09things that open space that run through where we are specifically told hands off you cannot go into those spaces because I get that concern about liabilities and and certain other concerns How are we able to convey that this is

02:27:28our number and we're making progress and the data we have is credible If we clearly are not in the spaces where we know there are significant numbers of homelessness folks and and where they choose to set up you

02:27:46know, it's not uncommon when we go out and do the point in time that we know we have considerable hotspots But when we're there at four and we see no one and so how are we how

02:28:03are we facing reality reality and approaching this from a practical perspect is to make sure that we are again one we have accurate data, we are doing our best account and going into those very difficult

02:28:20places and doing the work that's necessary. I don't feel we have the right numbers. Would you would you agree that we do not go in those spaces and if we are not going to those spaces how can we all sit here today and say we have an accurate number?

02:28:37I appreciate the question On a point in time count it is a flawed process. I think we have never said it's a perfect process but it is a consistent process that we use across the entire region.

02:28:50It is a minimum count as we know There are some areas where we don't have our general volunteers go into but if we know we have a concentrated area, there MAY be outreach teams who are going into that area.

02:29:05So I'm happy to sit down with you and make sure that we're capturing everything in your area because it is actually an orchestrated effort where we have folks out at four in the morning.

02:29:14We also have some areas where there's on the flight to have them in the creek beds and other areas where we also have outreach teams go And I'll I'm happy to sit down and kind of show and make sure we're covered.

02:29:27So I tell you what I'll ask this Each of the agencies here give me a report, show me the documentation When you went into those areas, how many times are you going into those areas You made that report submitted memorandum to me.

02:29:41I'd like to see one from from the regional task force, the Housing commission, the city of San Diego as to when you guys are going in those areas because I don't know about it. I don't know nothing about it and I'll I'll go through what we have in your area where we have people deployed and if it's a place we're not getting to, let's make sure we get

02:29:59there if it's safe and appropriate and it's accessible . And I made the comment that you go into these spaces I'm looking for the results in the impact So give me that information and I will be more than happy to look at it and I

02:30:17can point you in the right direction. But if you're unclear as to where these spaces are, I think that speaks to the magnitude of the problem. The reason why we have you here is because you are the subject matter expert and you should be able to go out and identify

02:30:35those areas. So let's start with that data, send you that information and then we can work backwards and we can get together and look at the specific areas that we know of in this court that are areas of concern.

02:30:52But what's troubling is that I'm not seeing the end of the agencies that are responsible the folks that are responsible out in the district doing the work.

02:31:05That's my problem. That's what I'm trying to convey here. I appreciate that. We'll sit down and give you the data we have.

02:31:16The other question I have is and help me to understand is who's in charge of what? Is there a clear delineation on who's in charge of what and how this system works?

02:31:33Is there a overarching org chart? And as we talk about this system, how are we managing this and how are we managing overlap? How are we being as efficient as we can as to who's on first base, second base, third base Does that exist?

02:31:50Is that level of of of detail exist amongst the ranks? There's in the Community Action Plan there is an operational organizational chart that talks about how agencies see the county and the work together.

02:32:10I mean it is complex because we each have a piece of the puzzle, right? So I understand that it's a reasonable very reasonable question but part of what we work through number one is teams meet every week, right?

02:32:21The city and the Housing Commission teams meet every week. We meet with the county regularly We meet with each regularly we meet on operational items on a fairly regular basis.

02:32:33But the other thing that we do is when we see issues changing like what's happened at the federal level and the changes in priority administration we literally will call a convening to figure out how we subject matter experts are going to make recommendations around funding and what needs to change in the system to respond to

02:32:51frankly the very up and down reality that we're all living in right now so that that structure does exist within the Community Action plan. It's very much operationalized in our day to day work.

02:33:03Obviously the city is responsible for the city's budget but our commission starts working with sd in late DECEMBER or early JANUARY on recommendations around what that budget and we recommend how that budget should be allocated.

02:33:17But it's it's a it's a working together process. I understand the working together What I'm what I'm struggling with is efficiency and accountability and who's actually in charge for a as we

02:33:39are trying to to work through that the complex challenges that that we have right something as simple as the report I think two agencies if I understand what was presented a couple of agencies did provide some information in

02:33:57regards to demographics and ethnicity but one did not write and those are the things that that I'm trying to to to to be fair that was on us.

02:34:09We didn't regardless of I'm just saying it's not that I did not choose to provide it. We just it was our mistake in not outing we don't know what that data I don't know what your mistake was, what you're conveying, what your mistake was.

02:34:26I'm just looking for as we talked about I guess even as we make a comment about point in time. Right. And it's not a perfect system but it's consistent right?

02:34:37I'm just looking for that consistency. So as we're making decisions that we are having the best information that we have and it's consistent across all lines good, better and different. Right?

02:34:49Because I think we just agree that the point in time is not a good system, right? You can't sit here and say we're we're in a good place and our numbers are good. I think we all just agree to that.

02:35:00Right. Based on based on your comments right. Again, it's an imperfect tool but it is a consistent federal requirement And San Diego does a really great job of covering a very large geography.

02:35:14It is always going to be a minimum count. It is a again I think we can say that it is flawed and you cannot say that it's accurate good, bad or indifferent.

02:35:31It's it is what it is and that's the system we use. >> Right. And I think that's part of the challenge of the work. It is a a system that requires certain things like an accountant, a census count that's a one night And not asking about that I'm just

02:35:49asking you're making this more difficult than it needs to be is the point in time count The proper way to do it is it accurate?

02:36:01I'm thinking that we have built said we've reached a consensus that it's not that it is flawed but it is the system that we use. >> It is accurate as a minimum count at a minimum.

02:36:14You know that is that many people It is the maximum I agree with that. But we don't know how many homelessness folks exist, you know, a minimum but you don't know what your outlay You do not know which are counted in

02:36:31the demand that you are trying to meet That accurate We do not know and absolute on that night that we captured everybody yeah it is a challenge to be able to do that.

02:36:42We do it with a lot of volunteers better than a lot of communities but I would never say we captured everybody right It is That is why this fair Fair enough And that's all I am.

02:36:55I just want to make sure folks understand that our numbers are not accurate to the degree. Absolutely. That's that's the need right.

02:37:06When we look at the slides, it shows an inflow rate of about 14,000 households. That's probably over an over a year. That's probably a better reflection of need than a single point in time Count is the point in time count is a required hud system measurement.

02:37:22There's not a lot of fluctuation or ability for us to do it very differently and I'm glad you pointed that out because it's my understanding that that point time count does impact certain decisions that we make.

02:37:40And so I just want to make sure as we go through this and as you said, we started down this road in 2019 or so when we started to really put together the action plan and to to really start to define certain things and as complex as things

02:37:57are as you indicated today, things change, right? And you are constantly trying to respond to those changes and to make the appropriate changes to improve our approach and our impact.

02:38:10And so that's kind of what I'm driving at is are we because something as simple as outreach When I first got involved and we said Hey outreach is really is a point in time count to

02:38:26determine when we started signing up path and doing certain things with outreach So where there were more people identified that's where you saw certain numbers of resources provided.

02:38:37So downtown you might get ten outreach folks as we sign up with path or and down in District four you might get one representative that's responsible for the area.

02:38:53So that's that's where I'm driving this conversation to as consistent as we like to stay, how are we staying flexible and covering the areas like District four which as I said I'm not seeing I'm not seeing

02:39:10certain things getting addressed. I don't see the outreach taking place. I don't I don't see that level of effort counter outreach is geographically dispersed and generally with the point in time count.

02:39:29If we have the census tract data available it's a starting point But exactly to your point outreach can go to certain neighborhoods throughout the city and folks MAY not be there any longer And it's about being nimble and being able to switch and pivot if it's helpful if there are spots in your community you're not seeing our outreach teams.

02:39:48We're happy to go. I think you and your office are aware that this year alone we've done two community care events in your neighborhood. That's a first. I think that's progress.

02:39:58It doesn't mean it's the last. So if there are more areas that you feel the need are important or that we're missing, we're happy to take that and make those changes. Thank you for that And as you guys are working on getting the information that I requested earlier, can you also provide how our hot team and

02:40:16the spaces in which they are being deployed and where path is being deployed? Can we drill down with detailed information by district as to where those resources are being allocated to the board?

02:40:28I can absolutely commit to doing the outreach portion of it and I'm happy to take what you have asked for back to cpd and see what's available to combine that together.

02:40:40Can you assist with that to I'd like to understand how our resources are being deployed and where that attention is being provided. Yeah. Thanks Councilmember. We're working with mpd to get hot team data for that area.

02:40:53We'll make the same ask to pass to see what data they can provide us as well. I appreciate it And again I am not trying to be difficult. I just want to make sure that we.

02:41:03Let me I guess I should say that we do allocate quite we have a very in my mind a very large funding allocation when it comes to our homelessness efforts.

02:41:20I think we've been spending a quite deal over a very, very long period of time And the one thing that I don't want to do as long as we are continuing to do this is that we are creating an industry that we do not want

02:41:38to make long term I guess I will say but I'm not comfortable that that's not what we are truly accomplishing. Right. Does that make sense the way I said that because I'm I'm concerned based on the dollars

02:41:54that we are allocating because of their local dollars or their federal dollars that are coming in through hud. At the end of the day all money comes from taxpayers at different levels And so that's

02:42:10my concern. I want to make sure that we are not standing up You know, working more toward standing up an industry versus taking care of the impacted people and getting them where they need to to be regardless if it's the city, the county, whoever's

02:42:32in charge of their respective disciplines or industries or responsibilities I guess I'll say the other thing I will ask and I think there's kind of has to do with the housing Commission and some things have come on to me and I think it's

02:42:55the universal terms of service is something that has been brought to my attention and I've gotten some feedback and some concerns because it seems like as much as we are trying to do the work that we are doing it it seems as if there's

02:43:15somewhat of a lack of accountable bility as we are deploying the services and not so much what we are doing but those of the individuals that are needing the services and certain things And what's kind

02:43:32of come to me and if you can kind of help me to understand this are things such as no defined length of stay engagement in services seems to appear optional meaning there's

02:43:50no accountability of of folks meeting with their caseworkers and going through the appropriate processes. They are trying to work their way through the housing permanent housing process, those types of things.

02:44:06Can you help me to understand how that universal um terms of service agreement how that works out And and I'm speaking specifically Lisa to

02:44:22the shelter that we put in place over in National City where we had maybe 30 beds at the time or whatever it was. It's my understanding that folks did they filled up pretty quickly as we knew they would.

02:44:37It's my understanding it was more folks that came from downtown when we had the issues I don't know what do we call the facility?

02:44:48The facility where we were using temporary shelters here on site was that area with a space called council PRESIDENT Golden Hall. Yeah. Golden Hall right When we had the temporary set up in Golden Hall rental issues with the fire marshal had to come up

02:45:04with a new plan, move people to various places. It's my understanding folks landed from here to there in National City. But I was looking forward to be more utilized for folks in district for to have opportunities to to have some shelter and some housing.

02:45:23But it's my understanding folks hit that shelter and they stayed there for quite some time In rental case where there are difficulties and challenges with meeting with caseworkers and things to that nature and from what I'm being told we

02:45:43went back to the universal so terms what is it called the universal terms of service And again similar to what you said with like a hud such what can be done?

02:45:55We can't be done I mean how you interact And so there's there's there's a couple of components to your question So I know Sara there was a whole conversation around outreach so I want to just give you the chance to speak to that first and then we'll go back to universal terms of service.

02:46:09I will note that there were some folks from Golden Hall that did populate that shelter but generally speaking outreach in and around that national city shelter both south and north were prioritized for that locations or outreach workers were able to connect folks that were the nearest in terms of

02:46:28geographic of the actual city of San Diego into that shelter. But you were correct on the that some folks from Golden Hall did move there but a lot of people did access that service having that shelter open in that area was a was a quite a benefit for folks that were in and around really parts of your district to be able to accept services for folks that

02:46:45didn't necessarily want to come downtown for that service. >> Thank you. In regards to universal terms of service, when we implemented those the desire behind that was to create a system that

02:47:01didn't matter which shelter you went to, you were going to essentially have the same experience. So we followed community standards which follow national best practices.

02:47:11We set that expectation across all the commission administered programs. Hst did the same.

02:47:20We went through a process of a lot of involvement and input with folks. It was living experience. What you're talking about from a length of stay and an a case management engagement perspective is really sort of a philosophical differentiation

02:47:39between that particular shelter provider and the way the city in the commission runs all of the existing shelters and what community of standards under the continuum of care would also see as sort of community standards which is we don't create a mandatory length of stay That just means after 90

02:47:58days you're gone. We don't know the issues that you're coming in with You might need a lot more engagement and a lot more care to get to a point where you can stabilize and not be gone in 90 days?

02:48:09We also MAY have a hard time getting you to engage in the first place so there's not a mandatory requirement for case management that's based on housing first best practice national best practices and on a lot of the different funding sources we get including state help funds.

02:48:27But there is a requirement on the service provider to continue to try to engage right because some people MAY come in with significant trust issues and it MAY be 60 days before they're even willing to talk to someone And so they start talking to someone a day 16 night at day 30 After that we

02:48:45we send them out. You end up breaking that relationship. So while we want to do everything we can to divert people from the system to move people up and out, we look at it on a person by person basis.

02:48:56We do not set maximum length of stay and we do not set a mandatory requirement for case management. We continue to require the housing the shelter provider to engaged.

02:49:05Okay. So did you want to add anything ? >> I was just going to say that when you look at folks that have been in a shelter for a long time that kind of help skew the data a little bit and I don't think that was mentioned in previous reports possibly by sending a rescue commission is sending us you

02:49:23Yeah, sorry Is that the majority of the long term stairs are seniors and persons with a disability Like what benefit do you get from exiting them at 90 days or 120 days?

02:49:39Um, that's just I don't I don't think it's a hard 90 or 120 I think it's more so how do you have something in place Right.

02:49:52Because I will ask you this if you guys have this system in place and you see someone as you say it's you're able to tell me now it's our older adults or folks with disabilities and you have that data My next question is well then what?

02:50:11So we have the data. So now what are we doing to try and do what's right and give them the assistance that they need to move to that next phase ?

02:50:22Is there a trigger with the county as we are talking about disabilities or mental health or certain things? How what what is that trigger? What is the use of that data?

02:50:32How do you guys that's I think what I'm trying to better understand or just for the sake of this discussion are we saying okay, well it's a it's a challenging complex matter with this individual and we just remain patient and continue on

02:50:51but not necessarily because at some point I want to say are we getting them the help that they need That that's that's the place where I'm coming from.

02:51:01Are we getting them that help or is it just simply their path for providers still meeting with them and saying kind of hey and if I can put this in in a in a in an analogy it's it's you know I know we use my right

02:51:24my on is is needs needs needs in-home care right I'll tell you a little bit some personal value she needs in home care but when when she has pace it changed her life It does certain things right And so that's what I'm asking is we're having this conversation and trying to drive to with all of the things that we're doing,

02:51:42all the data that we're collecting, how are we using that to pivot and pointing us in the right direction and say Hey, here's what we need right now. Are we having that conversation with the county?

02:51:53What is behavioral? Hey, here's our here's what we need. How are we going to get there versus we need the public health people as the county and they're kind of doing their thing right.

02:52:03How are we I'm trying to understand that. Yeah, let me yeah Pace is an incredible program and I think it really I'm going to pick up that thread because I think it is something that's really important The data itself if we

02:52:19collect it and don't use it shame on us And it is a place we have as a community in one of the areas that we've done it specifically is around seniors.

02:52:31We started to see that increase first time homeless a significant percentage of our unsheltered We had a committee together that also had aging and independent services from the county Paul Downey from serving seniors join the Continuum and we really leaned in.

02:52:45That's where your show Subsidies programs that we piloted came from the data that we did around that. We also did some work with Pace to understand if that's a great place to do prevention because they know everything about their client including if $100 in rent is going to displace them.

02:53:04And so the data used that intentionally is work we're doing and it is an incredible way to look at prevention for seniors because they need that in-home care and that person giving the care is actually a better indicator than any other data If that person's can

02:53:20experience homelessness they know they know if you know $100 is going to displace them and that is a targeted intervention of doing prevention.

02:53:29So as we use the data more intentionally they mean a great partner to help us really look at that. That's how you use the data to end homelessness before it begins.

02:53:42That's why we're leaning into prevention and I think it's the way that we use the data along with our partners who provide it to really do some intentional work.

02:53:52So especially around seniors we've done shallow subsidies, we've done short rent, we've done prevention. It's a really good example of where we can make progress especially on one of our fastest growing populations.

02:54:06So a real concrete example of how we utilize that data in that way and I appreciate that And maybe that's more of what I'm looking for as we're receiving our updates and reports because those are some of the details that I'm interested in as to how are we actually again I understand

02:54:25it's complex. Trust me, I, I do And so I just wanted to make sure that we are as we are pivoting as you are identifying certain things that you are seeing you know, even you know, I was at a meeting yesterday where where you look

02:54:41at the data with our seniors, right, not only are you starting to see that increase in regards to homelessness but you're seeing the increase in overdoses with seniors, right?

02:54:50Suicide type suicide type things. So you see that that that group really starting to feel some very significant impacts And those are the things that that that that are concerning me quickly I guess in regards to

02:55:09our camping sites are lots as my colleague talked about certain things are decreasing our deaths are decreasing But I guess what I don't hear is as as we have experienced these unfortunate and horrid would

02:55:29say just tragic things what are we putting in place to mitigate Like what are we doing differently as we are seeing this occur or what have we increased any standards?

02:55:38Have we done anything differently? Can you shed some light on on that? Are we are we doing more wellness checks?

02:55:47Are we you know, what are we doing to make sure folks are in a safe place? >> Thank you Council member We we do wellness checks 3 to 4 times per day to make sure individuals are that are in their town are safe.

02:56:01And then also as I mentioned, we did bring together those dozens of providers for the recovery bridge programs where 19 folks left that day for recovery and then the forthcoming opportunity where there could be medical on site.

02:56:15So that is something that we're working towards just knowing and seeing that there is a significant need amongst that population. Those are the some of the things that we've done to change and adapt based on what we're seeing at that site.

02:56:29But regardless I think any life lost is an absolute tragedy. Okay. And I hope you know, just with with a lot you know, we're anticipating all this rain that we you know, you got some conditions out there that are not good conditions.

02:56:44So just want to make sure we're doing our best to make sure folks are are in a good place.

02:56:54And can you shed some light there If we if we went out and and done everything we can in regards to our bodies and sweat and runoff and all that good stuff stuff with water debris, gravel all that good stuff comes over across our shelter system.

02:57:12We've we've done that specifically for a lot. All that has approximately 300 sandbags that were delivered well in advance of last week And storm if more needed are requested They're absolutely provided Our storm water department does go out and identifies any any risks that MAY be associated with it both

02:57:28before and after storms. So if any risks are identified there's any you know, pooling of water or whatnot, We do address it immediately. Okay. Thank you for that.

02:57:41I think Lisa I'll send you the email that I that I received in regards to the universal terms of service And you guys can go through that and respond as well.

02:57:51I like to follow up on that. Thank you. Okay. Will do. And again I do appreciate your efforts. You know this is a very complex complex matter.

02:58:04There's always more to do. So thank you for this and I am looking for that. I would like to see the report updated and really dive into the details on what we are doing with our black homelessness population is when I'm driving, when I'm driving

02:58:24it's it's it's clear and it's it's in your face. I mean and even even some of the conversations we've had in the past on who gets identified as not welcome in a shelter someone's name gets put on a list saying that they MAY have been aggressive or something

02:58:42MAY have happened within the shelter. When you look at those types of lists, who's on that list, that demographic is pretty telling On on as you look at that data as well.

02:58:53So the more we can define be clear I think the better off we will be and really work to address the issues we need to address.

02:59:03So thank you Council PRESIDENT All right. Thank you. I'm going to take a little moment for some meeting management. It is five minutes to five second I'm I have a lot of comments that I'm going to

02:59:22forego. We've got seven people in the audience for a non agenda public comment and I have a commitment that at least 515 everybody can stick around and we'll get we'll get that an on agenda public comment done and

02:59:41then I'll go I'll catch you offline with the thoughts that I have. I really wanted to open this up. i think you know, one of the things that frustrates council members as well as the public is we dock get a specific item and everybody wants to talk about everything in addition to what the docketed item is And I

03:00:00think it's been a very productive conversation Probably the most robust conversation we've had and I really appreciate the four of you for sticking around and answering the questions without knowing where we might veer.

03:00:14I think all of them were important beyond just where are we in terms of of the action plan and where are we progressing? I will circle back about is it time to update the action plan?

03:00:25I don't like to spend time on new reports but it's something to think about. I'm going to ask you to think about a similar dialog with how we measure our service providers and I know it's a

03:00:41very tough thing to put performance measures and metrics on service providers given the population they work with. But I think a conversation just more targeted on that as we kind of touched on that I think would be important so we can talk about how we would do that and when we can when we can do

03:01:00that And each of your respective roles and I will wrap up by saying to me This is all about the pipeline. We can't force people to get into the pipeline so that they have a stable position.

03:01:15We can connect with them as often as they need to be connected with to get the services they need. We can't force people to take the services they MAY need and then even as as Councilmember Weprin said, we don't have the capacity to get them into the pipeline even if they want

03:01:31to go that and then we don't have the outlet of that pipeline housing. So it's a multilayer problem if we use the word complex maybe too much but it really is challenging.

03:01:45I appreciate the progress that has been made. We ignore the fact that 12,000 people a year apparently do find housing in addition to the 12,000 that come in for the very first time.

03:01:54There's a lot of aspects of that And one of the things I was hoping that come out of it and maybe it did and I won't ask you if it did was you're going to go back to work tomorrow and what are you going to do the same What are you going to do differently from what you heard from council And then for the council what are we going to do differently or

03:02:11the same as we start approaching budget season in terms of how we do allocations it's one pie How do we carve it up?

03:02:24We can talk about you know, prevention intervention and diversion that costs money And do we have money that beyond what we can get from philanthropic to feed that that it seems to be the most efficient and the most impactful on people But taking

03:02:39away money from temporary shelters is not an option that i think anybody wants either. So I thought I was going to talk and here I go talking so I'm going to stop.

03:02:49So thank you very much for this and your participation in this conversation will continue to talk more. I think some good questions were were asked so we'll close out this item as some folks might have guessed we are going to do non agenda public comment for those people that are in

03:03:12chambers and then the first thing tomorrow morning we're going to take those participate remotely to to clear that deck and you have some sense of who those are and then we'll go with the rest of the Tuesday agenda.

03:03:28So anybody listening in remotely we will take you at 10:00 tomorrow morning And then let me read the note not it will take up non agenda public comment Council members respect and appreciate the public input and are fully committed to protecting every participant's

03:03:44free speech right to counsel on committee meetings So let's proceed with non agenda public comment for those here in chambers and again we will pick those up that would have participated remotely first thing at 10:00 tomorrow and I apologize for the inconvenience.

03:04:00I think that was a really important conversation we had this afternoon for the council PRESIDENT Plural 2.7 on agenda Public comment is an opportunity for members of the public to comment on items that are not on the agenda but within the subject matter jurisdiction of the city Council.

03:04:15Each speaker will have two minutes If there are eight or more speakers on a single topic the maximum time for the topic will be 16 minutes. If you're in chambers please submit your speaker slip to the front of the room in the clear basket If you are participating remotely please raise your hand or press star nine before the five minute timer concludes I will

03:04:34screenshot those who have their hand raised and those are the individuals that will be taken at the 10 A.M. Session to morrow morning. Jacob Edwards if you can please come forward after Jacob will have allegedly Audra Lauren be Gomez if you can please come up

03:04:53to the front of the room front row Joyce Sanada, Maximillian Schmidt, Daniel LaSalle and Anthony Ralphs as well as Natalie Roski. If you can all please come forward to the front row that'd be greatly appreciated.

03:05:07Please proceed. It was some years ago I was confronting things in my family and they called the mafia upon squash Any trace of what I was calling out and having me eliminated When they came in to assist my family they hijacked my mom's younger brother's

03:05:22position in the Department of Homeland Security over our country cyber security networks Federal agents were on it. They devised a plan to take back our cyber network and to take down the mob.

03:05:36There were supposed to be a bust that went down and arrested everybody in my family which would have done just that. It would have caused a rico effect of taken down the mob and our cyber networks back.

03:05:46They paired a handful of field agents up that matched my profile. They paired them up with me When the bust didn't go down the mob then used them to their advantage to work with them in hijacking our federal government agencies.

03:06:01They grew to thousands of them. They recruited them in very same profiles in mass numbers. They're known as the Deep State .

03:06:10They're the ones who run things in this country. I stood at this microphone last week and I defended them saying that they know not what they doing that the mob was their bosses.

03:06:23Yes, that is the case. However, I was wrong. I was wrong. The mob not in on their back anymore. They're still at it.

03:06:33They're still at their shenanigans. They spent half their time with terrorizing destructive shenanigans the other half of their time is spent.

03:06:46Matt elaborate cover ups of shenanigan, terroristic shenanigans They've wrecked our country absolutely wrecked it That enough is enough.

03:06:57They're known as the deep State. I suggest I recommend they resign their positions to do something good for once Resign their positions Next is allegedly Audra please come forward immediately.

03:07:21>> I'm part of the deep state That was the accusation made by this gentleman. >> Interesting.

03:07:30Yeah, it's I do appreciate the conversation but I feel like there's a lot of bs that's wrapped up in what's going on at Tent City and Stephen Whitburn you laughed at me when I told you that Tammy died.

03:07:41So when you sit here and say that you care about people dying maybe you should not laugh in someone's face when they're reporting it to you. And then I think about like shine your it's almost it's been like 16 months since you were saying that you wanted to

03:07:59look into that And if it's one death a month I mean that's 16 deaths that could have been avoided And I know that it's more than one a month because sometimes it's every couple of weeks and it's like you should be auditing Dreams for Change and downtown San Diego Partnership because they are

03:08:19failing significantly and it's four years I've been coming in and reporting on this and you talk about it being taken seriously.

03:08:29Nearly 40 people have died and it didn't have to be that way and people aren't doing 3 or 4 checks a day.

03:08:38Well that's not true. You wouldn't find people dead in their tent on time for hours that they've been laying there dead And with the storms it's like I don't know just that they can't even put a tarp over

03:08:57their tent to make sure that water doesn't go in. So it's just like I mean and Tim, when he died he said the night he died I don't want to die like the rest of them and he died That night and he was a part of the lawsuit And

03:09:13the city's been trying to strike him from the lawsuit or dismiss him because he's dead. >> He's an African-American man That Shibata you lawyer interviewed almost.

03:09:29Good afternoon, City council members and guests. My name is Lauren Villa Gomez and I'm a student at the University of San Diego actually here for my anthropology class.

03:09:39I was given the assignment to come and observe an unfamiliar culture. I actually found myself struggling to come up with a critique or talking point for today's meeting.

03:09:49I'm originally from Phenix, Arizona and in my short time living here I would just like to say thank you for consistently holding these meetings and holding this council as a safe space to share grievances and concerns.

03:09:59You all seem to work a job with very little things. After researching and reading past comments I have found very little record of praise. Yes, some MAY disagree and say there is much to be done and nothing to be thankful for but I think a sense of Democratic pride can come from hearing said grievances.

03:10:17Sure there will always be some mistake or topic to dissect but the act of attending a meeting like this one should generate a sense of gratitude and gratitude for the fact that you council members are patiently and politely here listening to rambling concerns by coming together to complain, connect or listen to a random college

03:10:36student. We are actively preserving our constitutional freedoms and I think that is a glorious opportunity. I hope you all have a wonderful day. Thank you.

03:10:45Thank you for those comments. Jason Yano Thank you.

03:10:54Okay. No comment And I had plenty of time to write out my comments because I knew what my topic was going to be But I decided no, I'm not going to think about it.

03:11:09I'm going to just let my heart speak about it because last week in the audit committee something happened to me and I have been doing this is not a criticism of the audit committee.

03:11:24Just bear with me. I have been doing the audit committee for 20 years. I love the audit committee. I love their work.

03:11:33I love the people there are accountable. Moreno is fabulous. I really MISS Her leadership. There. But what happened is that under consent agenda there was an item on the monthly activity

03:11:52report and one part of the activity report was the list of the planned audit. It a very long list and I was blown away by the wonder of it and all the items that were on

03:12:11there that were part of needed to be really investigated in our city. And I really eyes that this is what's happening to my public trust because it's eroding lately.

03:12:26And we all know that in the uk used a word called Is it time for a reckoning? And I think we're getting close to a reckoning because public trust is eroding and the audit committee is proving that to us.

03:12:41What we're going to do about that I don't know. But we're exacerbating the public trust by what is being covered overly the covert or overt shown to the city and constituents of what's

03:12:57happening right here. >> Look to. Thank you Maximilian Schmidt.

03:13:12Hi. Believe it or not, the majority of the country already knows what I'm about to say on Communist have lied to the American people and people all across the world about man having penetrated

03:13:31the mesosphere with spaceships, space stations, satellite. And the truth is the mass of here is only 30 miles above the Earth's crust and mankind has never penetrated it even once.

03:13:45It's a complete lie. And the reason they do this is to try to get you to think that mankind is more powerful than they are to try to make people atheist.

03:13:54Similar to in the 60s how they used peace movements to advance communism after the bioweapon they're using science to advance communism with vaccines saying you need a manmade vaccine to save you.

03:14:07And I just want to expose some lies from these scientists and many of them nasa's scientist. We have actually never penetrated the mesosphere The mesosphere would destroy any manmade object that tries to go through it and the majority of the country

03:14:23knows this. Over half almost half the country has done a cold practice and is in some form of devil cold like the Freemasons that actually knows this esoteric information.

03:14:34And more and more people in the country are waking up to it. In the Apollo Apollo 11 u2, Apollo 11 on post-flight YouTube video on the top comments are Bro, we've been lied to since day one.

03:14:51They literally avoided every question about actually landing on the moon. These dudes are surprised They're being asked questions. They're not in the right state of mind. They hate lying are very depressing.

03:15:02I can't believe this would be the response from the first humans in space. And those are the top YouTube comments. And also on the on the Apollo 13 spacecraft weighed 100,000 pounds and the Joe the Troll

03:15:25your benchmark meteor that hit Russia weighed 220 million pounds. >> And there is vast history there of your time and knowledge that your time has concluded.

03:15:51Thank you Danielson. Black lives don't matter. All lives matter, Daniel. How can you say that You're minimizing black lives. I don't say that.

03:16:02San Diego City Council says that with their silence. When a black kid who is not a suspect is running for his life fleeing gunfire and a shot twice in the back by San Diego police officer Daniel Gold the second and no criminal charges are brought against the officer.

03:16:19What message does that send when the city agrees to pay Cano Wilson's family $30 million. What are we supposed to say? Is that Justice?

03:16:28Is Canada just property Chattel? 3/5 of a man hears Here's your 40 acres and a mule. Now shut up. Here's a payment for the slave that we killed.

03:16:42Is that all Justice means? And ask yourself if it cannot wear a white kid in the officer wear black would anything have been different? People ask me, Daniel, who is responsible for bringing charges and police officers MAY have committed crimes.

03:16:55The mayor, the city council, The governor and San Diego County criminal charging decisions fall to the San Diego County District Attorney's Office led by Summer Stephan. And that is an elected office.

03:17:06We vote for it. So if you're angry, if you believe something has gone terribly wrong, remember that when you vote in 2028 vote for a district attorney willing to bring difficult, difficult cases and pursue justice.

03:17:20A district attorney who is not afraid of police unions I will not stop. I will not be silent until justice is done because the prosecutors won't bring the easy people because the prosecutors won't bring the easy police crime cases.

03:17:34How can the public trust them to bring the harder ones? This is where we start. This is where we rally. This is our rallying cry. No justice, No peace. This is not defund the police. This is police accountability.

03:17:45Police should be here to protect and serve Our police should be here to protect and serve, not to kill our people. His life matters. Black lives matter including his killer.

03:17:55Your time has concluded, sir. Justice Anthony Ramos Your time has concluded. Anthony Ramos And then our final speaker here in chambers will be Natalie Roski.

03:18:06Those who have their hands raised after Natalie Ricci concludes her comments I will take a screenshot so that we can take those tomorrow. I did see that your speakers repeated requests for Spanish translation but I do understand that you speak English.

03:18:15Spanish translation is for those who cannot speak to the Council Your comments are to the council.

03:18:25>> But whether or not English is my particular laboratory associate and for us as Cortez Ghetto that list Gracias Henry Foster and settle.

03:18:40I want to give thanks to Henry Foster. But I said l unequal but I said one little one equals miembros There. This is the consejo municipal to be one of the only members on the city council unless someone upazila in la committed an outdoor area that in

03:18:57the last week in the committee of Alitalia and the audit committee puzzle of Western allies Imagineers de la Camara Corporal, you made sure that you were able to defend and talk and speak frankly to everybody there to the back to the body cameras you tambien

03:19:20depositors or puesto al as cameras lector automatic as a black as a equals And you spoke to the cameras that are on the dash cam cameras, the alpine automated lights, the flock cameras It is in control.

03:19:32The Los arrest does go on pretextual And you also spoke to the pretext stops equalizer you lack entities the San Diego cepa usted estado de Gallo are you there And I can do the San Diego and contra the l.A also e la falta de accountability that de la policia And that's when I

03:19:49want to make sure that people within the city of San Diego know that you are fighting against the abuse of power in the San Diego police Department. Okay.

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03:20:23I say Unas those semanas jealous cameras No Solamente Captain Black easily since you are Pedro Tambi\n what in cap incompatible eponymous guarantee admitted that the flock cameras don't only just capture license plate information but can also capture images of people and can also find information about them not mean zero They lied to

03:20:43us he was telling like and we voted for him and you voted for our accuracy were given a said and I want to know what you're going to do it I mean gross Have a bacchanal tequila money born. Wilpert And I also want to know why Marni von Wilpert is not here or Travis again not to working as a minor for Sara.

03:21:00She was not here last week and she's not here now. Ninguna regulars meaning ninguna consequences And we do not have any rules or consequences but I can not get into Idol for those that do not attend regularly Your Como un miembro there me you planning group your calling me from myself as a member of

03:21:16the planning group see your No boy barrios a contest consecutively If I do not go to a lot of consecutive meetings Myron Kandel Group They actually removed me from the group They announced the Grupo and Stick Conselho Municipal noisily as a

03:21:32consequence And this group in the city council there are not those types of consequences for you So member list them which and that bothers me a lot been is lucky also the case that most pretty much of that I confidential the mutual election to get the el public and this is why we are losing a

03:21:50lot of confidence and a lot of trust from the public Yesterday Ecuador colloquially called Joyce in it and I am in agreeance with what Joyce saying out said thank you for your time that I support you And Natalie Raskin.

03:22:05>> I just want to show gratitude for everybody that showed up today That was pretty interesting. I'm a little frustrated with the timing of not I've only got 60s and I'm I'm I feel like I'm a stakeholder on the issue that we were talking about today.

03:22:20I appreciate the hard questions that are being asked and we are operating in this framework of these rules that are set upon us.

03:22:30But I guess our federal government and who makes those rules? I think it's time we start thinking outside the box perception and perspective.

03:22:44I've sat with it a lot and we keep perpetuating this problem because we are continually fed this narrative And so everybody starts to believe it and we continue on with it and these are big entities you know our

03:23:01tfa each in the Housing Commission So they are operating on this boundary of rules. Well I don't have to operate like that and I don't think majority of us none of us have to actually really operate on those boundaries.

03:23:23>> I firmly believe in the power of energy And how how come how come we are not using the quantum field as much as we should be?

03:23:34When I asked her about think tanks I think we need to be thinking outside the box. I have a bunch of builds right here.

03:23:46When I first came out I started really studying it. I'm a mom with four kids. I have four kids that I have to raise in to this future.

03:23:57You guys can have these papers I am using I to the maximum is maximum maximum potential that I can with the ability that I can and that's what we should be doing.

03:24:07It's not going anywhere. There are ways. Thank you for your concluding comment and the way that if you'd like to submit that my staff can definitely take it. I am taking a screenshot right now at 521 Thank you Council PRESIDENT All right Thank you City Clerk And again apologies

03:24:23to those people that wanted to speak remotely. We will again take you at 10:00 tomorrow morning first off and I know that's a little bit extra work for the city clerk so I appreciate that.

03:24:33This morning's closed session was adjourned So there is no report out from the city attorney. We will now adjourn the council to the regularly scheduled council meeting on Tuesday OCTOBER 13th, 2026 at 10 A.M.