2026-10-08 - Commission on Police Practices Training Standing Committee

15:24Mhm.

18:46>> Mike on, stop and share it.

18:50I'm good to go.

18:51>> All right.

18:54I call this meeting of the training

18:56standing

18:57committee to order. Turning in

19:00training and education committee. Order.

19:03And

19:05>> Yes, we're having We just started our

19:07meeting.

19:07>> Sorry. Okay, I was just going to say

19:09something.

19:10>> Okay. And I'm ready for the roll call,

19:12please.

19:13>> All right.

19:17Councilman

19:18>> Here.

19:19>> Commissioner Benitez

19:20>> Here, Benitez.

19:21>> Here.

19:22>> Commissioner Chesky

19:23>> Here.

19:24>> And Commissioner Inpine is excused.

19:28>> Thank you.

19:29All right.

19:31Approval of the minutes from our last

19:33meeting, that was in June, please.

19:36>> I can't

19:37>> Um motion to approve the

19:40>> She just gave me a verbal statement.

19:44>> So moved.

19:46>> Second.

19:48>> All right.

19:51All right.

19:52Um moving on to the chair report. I

19:55don't know if anybody has signed up for

19:57that United in Trust uh thing that the

20:00police department was doing. It was

20:02supposed to start on Tuesday of this

20:05week in the evening for I think eight

20:09Tuesdays in a row. But the PD had a low

20:11interest in the class, so that got

20:14canceled. And if it's ever offered

20:16again, I'm sure uh Lindsay at the PD

20:20will let us know.

20:22I was signed up. I was taking my husband

20:24even. Alas.

20:26>> That tells us something about the

20:28public's perception of

20:31>> our interest or how it was publicized or

20:33whatever. I never got I did register for

20:36it, and I never got an email that it was

20:38um

20:40that it was canceled. And my husband

20:41didn't get the email that it was

20:42canceled either. But I did hear about it

20:44because Lindsay got just wanted me to

20:46know as the chair of this committee. So,

20:49I don't know how their communication is

20:50on that. But she's she assured me that

20:52I'll notice one out in September 29th.

20:56>> Yes.

20:57>> Um the other thing I wanted to let you

21:00all know is that we need more members

21:02for this committee. So, if you are

21:05chatting with newcomers, you want to

21:08encourage them how fun this committee

21:09is.

21:10That would be great.

21:12Um and then just to update you on the

21:16action items from the last meeting,

21:19we are going to talk about some of those

21:21things um today.

21:24The CPD on the ground,

21:26Hobar and use of force trainings, and

21:29then uh the community liaison will talk

21:31more about case review.

21:33So, that's my chair report.

21:37>> Case review.

21:38>> Oh, and do we need

21:40Do we need to do any uh public comments?

21:42I don't see anybody online.

21:44>> No one's online. No one's in person. And

21:46we're not even there.

21:47Okay.

21:52>> So, um committee liaison report, I

21:55believe Chief

21:56Investigator Golube.

21:59>> Yes, good evening, Commissioners.

22:02Um I will provide some updates on the

22:05status of um pending trainings um with

22:08the primarily focusing on the

22:10implementation of priority two uh

22:13modules from the case review training

22:15academy. Uh if you recall, we still have

22:18a

22:19few pending uh training items from

22:21there. Uh one is SDPD overview. We're

22:24still considering whether um it needs

22:28to be a standalone training or whether

22:30it could be um some um

22:32org chart or

22:34or or of that sort included in the

22:38handbook. So, I'm waiting for a more

22:40detailed org chart to be provided by the

22:42department so we can make a

22:43determination. Either way, they're happy

22:46to do a standalone training on that as

22:48well. So, that's just We're just

22:50finalizing those details. And it most

22:53likely will be added to another training

22:56from SDPD because it will be a short

22:58one.

22:59Uh the next training from SDPD that

23:02we're pending is the use of force and

23:04de-escalation policy.

23:06It was supposed to be

23:08scheduled for the October meeting, but

23:11it they were not ready, so I'm pending

23:14their confirmation for the date.

23:17Hopefully, they will be available for

23:19November.

23:20Um we also have the decision-making in

23:25case reviews training pending from Dr.

23:27Fairly.

23:29Um I was waiting for the new

23:30commissioners to join to poll for their

23:33availability. We'll probably move

23:35forward with uh polling commissioners

23:37and finding a date, particularly

23:40focusing on those who haven't attended

23:42the original training and the new

23:43commissioners. And the plan is to have

23:46that one administered virtually, but we

23:49will of course keep in mind a quorum uh

23:52regardless of this.

23:53Um Inside SDPD, which is a training

23:57component as well on the case review

24:00training

24:01academy. Um if you recall, there were

24:04discussions about uh organizing a

24:06separate Inside SDPD event for

24:09commissioners. Um this has not come to

24:11fruition

24:13um and it's since then, so um I brought

24:16this up to um committee chair Mom Met,

24:19and we discussed that it's probably

24:21worth just uh continuing to invite uh

24:24individual commissioners to attend the

24:27regular Inside SDPD sessions, which will

24:29be scheduled eventually in the fall.

24:34We'll maintain

24:37uh

24:37five seats for commissioners to uh to

24:40attend those sessions.

24:42Uh we're also currently working on um

24:46uh finding

24:47uh the best presenter for the racial

24:50profiling trainings.

24:52There were two training items. Uh if you

24:54recall, one was on um racial profiling

24:58and law enforcement in San Diego and the

25:00other one was on impact of racial and

25:03identity profiling. We are thinking of

25:06combining the two because from the

25:09proposed presenters on the academy,

25:12there were

25:13several

25:14presenters for both of these. And it

25:17seemed that this is pretty close

25:20topic close topics together. So we met

25:23with um

25:25uh

25:26investigator Lee and I had a phone call

25:28with ACLU team members today and um

25:32we're pretty pleased with their

25:34proposal. Um so we may move forward with

25:36that one.

25:38Um and they are ready to present at the

25:41December commission meeting if needed.

25:44Uh and the last but not least in terms

25:48of training status is the surveillance

25:50technology training requested by Chair

25:53Benitez. Um had an opportunity to meet

25:56with Lindsay from the department the

25:59police department. They are willing to

26:02do such training. It will just take us

26:04some time to finesse the scope.

26:08They're also

26:10until the end of this calendar year

26:12they're booked with other presentations

26:15on surveillance technology both for the

26:18privacy advisory board tonight actually

26:20then to the city council's public safety

26:22committee and then to the to the city

26:24council. So

26:26the most likely this training will

26:28happen in the new year, but we are

26:31working on

26:34making sure it happens.

26:35And the last update on

26:39training tracking staff has been working

26:42on

26:43uploading all the trainings that the

26:45commission had since

26:48this committee started its work.

26:50They're all uploaded all but uh the

26:52training on Cetaceans and Pole Bar have

26:55now been uploaded to the CPP website and

26:57also in SuccessFactors and they have

27:00been assigned to commissioners who have

27:02not attended those trainings. And we're

27:05working on uploading them, Cetaceans and

27:07Pole Bar.

27:08Um, that concludes my update. Um, please

27:12let me know if you have any questions

27:14cuz that was a lot.

27:16>> Um,

27:18>> [clears throat]

27:18>> Olga, I I with re- with with respect to

27:22the surveillance training, I think you

27:24know what I said to Roger last night,

27:26obviously it's such a hot topic both for

27:28the community and for our commissioners.

27:30I had been hopeful that if we were going

27:32to do a Saturday meeting,

27:34where we've had such a hard time getting

27:36a quorum,

27:38uh, that uh having SDPD come and talk

27:42about that, I think the commissioners

27:44would make an effort to make sure that

27:45they're there on a Saturday because it's

27:47such a hot topic.

27:49Um, and I also think it would be a draw

27:51for community members. So, if it's not

27:52going to happen this year, then I think

27:55ideally it should be like

27:57that February, you know, middle of the

28:00first quarter of next year.

28:03So, we maybe we can flag the department

28:05to and maybe between us and them to

28:08start working on a date where they come

28:10and

28:11and do that. I just feel like it'll be

28:13such an important topic for

28:14commissioners.

28:16Um, that maybe we won't have this

28:18problem that we keep running into with

28:19regard to Saturday quorums.

28:24>> Okay, thank you.

28:28>> Yeah, go ahead.

28:29>> Is over the surveillance

28:34limited to

28:35the electronic type of surveillance

28:38and you know, the ca- the license plate

28:41readers

28:42uh

28:45or is it

28:47broader than that? Is it like the

28:49intelligence division of the police

28:51department? What what can

28:55>> So the scope, of course, it's a large

28:57topic, but we in most likely we will

29:01propose to the department to focus on a

29:04few specific surveillance technologies

29:06because they have they utilize a lot,

29:09and it would be impossible to do

29:10training on all of them. So and the

29:14automatic license plate readers will

29:16most likely be one of the

29:19top those surveillance technologies, but

29:21also if the training committee members

29:23would like to suggest any particular

29:26technologies,

29:28we could um

29:29look at the scope and see if that can be

29:32included, but ultimately we'll send them

29:33to the department and hopefully they'll

29:36agree on the selections.

29:39>> Yeah, I think that there's something

29:41like

29:4420 something different technologies that

29:47are used. There's a very large number.

29:49We're going to have to we're really

29:50going to have to focus in on the ones

29:53that

29:54um I think seem to be drawing the most

29:56attention, the ones the community are

29:58going to going to hear going to want to

30:00hear about. Um and also the ones that

30:03have that have already been approved by

30:04the PAB and the and the and the city

30:07council. Right? You know, like I said

30:09like I said yesterday tonight there's a

30:11privacy advisory board meeting

30:13[clears throat] where they're

30:14introducing two other technologies

30:16seeking their use. So I think that we

30:19should be starting with the things that

30:20they've been using the longest. You know

30:22what I mean?

30:24>> Yeah.

30:24>> So that so that they have more to say

30:26and we have more to say about

30:29So anyway, we will have to focus on on

30:31technologies.

30:33At least for this initial in theory

30:36early next year

30:37you know, training. Not to say that we

30:39can't get to other things as well.

30:41>> Can we have a centralized

30:44self-training

30:47facility?

30:48Uh

30:51You read an article in the paper. Oh,

30:53that's interesting. Or

30:56there's all sorts of It is very active.

31:00Um I'd be interested in being able to

31:03share that with other commissioners and

31:05the community.

31:07Um

31:10What kind of training facility can we

31:12establish for that or educational

31:15facility, whatever?

31:17>> Say more.

31:21>> When

31:23the commission comes

31:25gets information about new technologies

31:28or

31:29twists and uh

31:32How do we get that information out?

31:37>> Well,

31:38I'm not sure that we're a news

31:39clearinghouse. Like I think that we have

31:41to be careful about what fits within the

31:44scope of our role. But I mean like what

31:45we're talking about right now is

31:49the training of commissioners and since

31:53it's a public meeting, community members

31:56of the use of specific technologies,

31:59right?

32:00And we're going to get the departments

32:03you know, obviously they'll be sending

32:04us their I would assume their policies

32:07around the use of those technologies,

32:08how they can and cannot use those

32:10technologies.

32:11And so I think that the scope of that is

32:14really intended so that we're better

32:16informed about the ways that

32:19the police are engaging in their

32:20practices.

32:22But

32:23>> I see where you where you're coming

32:25from. It's

32:26education of commissioners

32:29and education of community, two

32:31different things in some ways.

32:34Um

32:36But I'd be interested in in

32:40especially the education of the

32:43community

32:45as it ties into how the community

32:48relates to the commission

32:51and

32:52how

32:55Well, I've said enough.

32:58I think.

33:00Or have I?

33:01Not clear, right?

33:05I'll be quick.

33:06>> Well, I don't know. I

33:10I mean, I think

33:11>> you need to hone in on like an example.

33:14Like

33:15take this from the theoretical to

33:18>> [clears throat]

33:19>> think about it some more maybe and we'll

33:21talk about it later. Does that make

33:22sense?

33:23>> Yeah. Thank you.

33:26>> Okay.

33:28So, moving on now we're at non-agenda

33:30public comment. I was getting too eager.

33:34>> I really

33:34>> We we lack both in-person and virtual

33:37participants at this time.

33:39>> So, now we can move on to old business

33:42and the first item on the agenda is the

33:45CPP on the ground program and that is

33:49what we

33:50are now calling what was going to be

33:53potentially a community bus tour or

33:57community ride-alongs to help

33:59commissioners be familiar with the

34:01organizations in the community that work

34:04with community members related to

34:07policing practices.

34:09And um I think Olga you were going to

34:12give an update on that.

34:15>> Uh yes, commissioners. I have an update

34:17from the director of a community

34:19engagement and internship programs of

34:22ABIDE. Um uh

34:24the new program uh there's a

34:27a new proposal from staff on how to

34:30approach this program,

34:32which will

34:33um

34:34uh essentially the

34:36there will be provided a list or I think

34:38it has already been provided to

34:40Charmaine that of the selected

34:42community-based organizations. And each

34:44organization will be the focus of

34:47commissioner visits um uh

34:50for about 4 to 6 weeks. So, 1 or 2

34:54months. Um

34:55and uh that organization will have a

34:58designated uh liaison who will um

35:02be responsible for assisting

35:05commissioners who will visit that

35:07organization on their own time. At every

35:10time at the commission meeting starting

35:12at on the December 2nd commission

35:15meeting, the executive director will um

35:18announce the or the organization that

35:22will be available for commissioners'

35:24visits. And then commissioners will have

35:26the opportunity to visit for the next 4

35:29to 6 weeks. Um they would reach out to

35:32that um

35:34selected liaison from the organization

35:36and they would come in on their own

35:38time. Some organizations may just um

35:41provide specific office days. Some

35:43organizations may be just open anytime

35:46that they're open, so it will depend on

35:48the organization.

35:50Um after that first announcement on

35:53December 2nd,

35:55um director of community engagement and

35:57internship programs will email

35:59commissioners with the organization and

36:02visit logistics.

36:08>> Questions?

36:09>> So, the advantage of this idea is one um

36:14us being able to get something like this

36:16off the ground has been impacted with

36:18staff are too busy to do

36:21uh some of the ideas we talked about in

36:23the past, so it it reduces the level of

36:25staff capacity required. The other thing

36:28is it helps us avoid quorum issues

36:31because, you know, people are filling

36:34and and it also helps us increase the

36:37odds that commissioners can really get

36:39it done cuz it's not only on one day at

36:42one time. They can fit it in with their

36:44lives. So, it's it's more nimble. I

36:47think that's an advantage and um it can

36:50all it's also nimble it with respect to

36:52what these agencies do. Right? Like some

36:55of them don't have a physical place. So,

36:58they they can say, "Okay, we'll do this

37:00or that or the other thing and this is

37:02what our availability is to communicate

37:05with you." So, it it feels to me when um

37:09I talked to Executive Director Smith

37:13about it, it seemed like it was um a

37:15good solution that we should give it a

37:18try and see how it goes and then we can,

37:20you know, debrief about it and

37:23go from there. I don't know what what

37:25you all think.

37:27>> Sounds practical.

37:31>> Yeah.

37:33>> I like it.

37:35>> So, anyway, so we're hoping December 2nd

37:37we can have our first one and to just

37:40see how it goes.

37:42>> Yeah, I think with respect to

37:43organizations that don't have a physical

37:45space, that's going to be super

37:46challenging. And for those

37:48organizations, we may want to invite

37:50them

37:51to meetings to, you know, have them come

37:53and present what it is that that they do

37:56to us. That that may be easier for the

37:58organization.

38:00Um but I'm going to keep using the

38:02Islamic Center of San Diego for no

38:03apparent reason just because I feel like

38:05it was it was one of the ones listed on

38:07the community bus tour back before all

38:09of our time.

38:10>> Which organization did you just mention?

38:11>> The

38:12Islamic Center.

38:13>> Oh, right.

38:13>> They have They have a physical place.

38:15>> a physical place. And um and and so,

38:18yeah. I mean, like if for example, if

38:20they say that, you know, we're not

38:22having services, but there are people

38:24available to you know, talk to

38:26commissioners

38:28Wednesdays between 12:00 and 2:00 or

38:32Saturdays between you know, 10:00 and

38:342:00 and commissioners should contact

38:37this person to schedule their visit or

38:39maybe they don't have to contact

38:40someone, they just have maybe an open

38:42door a drop-in or something like that.

38:45Um

38:46so I I think that anything that is that

38:49increases convenience for organizations

38:51increases convenience for organizations

38:54um that that that encourages

38:56commissioners to I would think

38:58participate and also I don't want to I

39:01mean, we all none of us want to create

39:03unnecessary work for uh staff in terms

39:07of

39:08all the various iterations of

39:10you know, what we're trying to

39:11accomplish here, which is to get

39:13commissioners out to the community

39:15to visit organizations and learn more

39:18about

39:19uh

39:20uh the the organizations that exist and

39:24that we have some sort of causal

39:26connection to. I would assume like the

39:28Gay Lesbian Community Center's going to

39:29be on this as well.

39:31>> Yeah, there's um yeah, I do have a few

39:34emails that some of our cuz I do

39:36remember we did have a conversation

39:37about we don't just we don't want to

39:40burden these agencies either, right?

39:43Part of this idea I think does reduce

39:44the burden on them cuz they can just

39:46incorporate it into their everyday

39:47activities and say, "Sure, just drop

39:49in." Um

39:51but we also said that we want to make

39:54sure like you just said this causal

39:56connection, not like, "Oh, we care

39:59about, you know, constitutional

40:01policing." That's not enough, right?

40:03It's like, you know, like Pillars, the

40:05presentation they gave to us, it was

40:07really clear the work that they do and

40:09how it overlaps with our work. So that's

40:12um we really kind of trust staff to

40:15figure out what those connections are,

40:17but some of the like PANA is on the

40:19list, the partnership for the

40:20advancement of new Americans,

40:23pillars, Mid-City CAN,

40:27community wrap-around, I don't know what

40:29that is, ACLU, Alliance San Diego, Asian

40:33Solidarity Collective, CAIR,

40:37CAIR

40:40San Diego.

40:42CAIR spelled like air with with a C.

40:44Um

40:46the

40:47lodge doll

40:49the Arab Community Center of San Diego,

40:51Chicano Federation

40:53Sh- That's that outreach.

40:57And here we go, the LGBTQ Center,

41:01block worker center.

41:03Maybe that's a typo. Center on policy

41:06initiatives. So, those are some of them

41:09and

41:10um

41:11it's not a final list, but that's just

41:14kind of like a starting point. So, like

41:17for an action item, what I would really

41:19love would be like

41:22what that list really is. I mean, I

41:25don't know why they're so bad.

41:26>> [laughter]

41:27>> I just feel like we've been asking for

41:28>> it's going to be evolving.

41:29>> Yeah. Okay.

41:30>> That's excellent. That's a really good

41:31start. That's 2 years worth almost.

41:33>> [snorts]

41:33>> Right. Yeah, easily.

41:35>> doing 4 to 6 weeks.

41:36>> Yeah. Okay.

41:38So, maybe Yeah. So, anyway, so that's

41:40where we're at with that. Any other

41:42thoughts?

41:44>> Do we have a master list of community

41:46organizations that we might be

41:48interacting with at some point?

41:51>> I don't think we do.

41:57Okay.

41:59All right. So,

42:01moving on? Everyone feel good about

42:03that?

42:04Done enough. Okay. So, mentorship. Data

42:07on mentorship. So, maybe Ethan, you

42:10could I mean

42:11We got some emails so we had the

42:13announcement last night but I don't know

42:14if you want to hear anything else about

42:16that.

42:16>> Um sure.

42:18Um

42:18We paired up uh

42:21our two newest commissioners from um

42:23starting in August. So um Commissioners

42:25Bruscher and Peralta Vargas have been

42:27paired up with Commissioners um

42:30sent out emails today both to um

42:32Commissioners Dixon and Faulken as well

42:34as a follow-up email to all the

42:36experienced commissioners asking them to

42:39um sign up if they're interested. Um

42:41once um our next commissioners I think

42:44I'll be emailing them as they start in

42:46terms of what after they have their

42:47first meeting I'll let them know this

42:49program exists and I'll follow up the

42:50meeting following.

42:52Um but we're off to a good start. We've

42:53got a couple pairings.

42:55>> Who's Who's the other commissioner

42:56that's acting as a mentor that How many

42:58commissioners have signed up as mentors?

43:00>> As of now four.

43:02>> Okay.

43:04>> And I know Bonnie you've been a mentor

43:06and I don't know if you have any

43:08>> Just sign me up.

43:09>> And you want to chime in on about how

43:11that's gone.

43:12>> You know I I've included this mentor

43:13thing in in my chair report at every

43:15meeting except last night.

43:17>> That's fine.

43:18>> And I'll I'll do it I'll do it again.

43:19>> Yeah, I know you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

43:21>> Uh

43:23>> [groaning]

43:24>> and um

43:25just off the top of your head are all

43:27the executive committee members

43:28signed up?

43:30>> No.

43:31>> Okay. I'll harass them.

43:33Um I'll bring it up at the executive

43:35committee.

43:36Cuz I That's the most successful exte-

43:38extensive That's the group that has the

43:41most experience.

43:43So

43:44Okay.

43:45So yeah, sounds good.

43:47>> going

43:47We're going great.

43:49>> Yeah. Thank you for doing all of that.

43:52>> Okay.

43:53>> All right. Are we ready to move on to

43:55new business?

43:57So um

43:59I thought we could

44:01go through each of the trainings that

44:03we've had um recently

44:06since we met last in June, we've had uh

44:09four.

44:10Been busy training.

44:11>> very busy.

44:12>> Uh so, I thought we maybe could start

44:15with Global One first

44:18and just um

44:21like go, do we need any follow-up

44:23training after?

44:25Um you know, just debrief thoughts.

44:30Help us in move Thoughts related to help

44:32us moving forward.

44:34Did that satisfy that need and we don't

44:36need anything else? Those are the kind

44:38of thoughts that I

44:42>> I'd maybe like to just see a little

44:44reinforcement of

44:47by memos of

44:50what was discussed at each of these.

44:56>> Tell me more. What are you thinking? We

44:58have the recordings, so people can watch

45:00them.

45:01>> Short of that though, there there may

45:03not be

45:05I I don't know if I'd be interested in

45:07watching all of them, but to see a

45:12um

45:14précis of what was discussed.

45:17>> Of what?

45:18>> Précis.

45:19Um

45:20a red

45:22a brief

45:24summary.

45:25>> Like a one sheet?

45:27>> P R E [clears throat] C I S

45:28>> So, would that be for people who missed

45:31it or for people who went and need a

45:33refresher or

45:35>> Both. For the people who missed it to

45:37see if they'd be interested in actually

45:40looking at it.

45:42Looking at the whole thing again and for

45:44people who went just as a memory

45:47refresher.

45:49>> I don't know how I feel about that.

45:51Here's Here's my gut feeling right away

45:54is that these are

45:58Like it's I thought It our

46:00responsibility to take advantage of the

46:02trainings that are being provided to us.

46:04So, if you miss a meeting, the

46:06recording's provided for you and I

46:07thought our expectation was that people

46:10would watch that, which I actually

46:12already have.

46:13>> Okay.

46:14>> Um

46:15and take your own notes and be

46:17responsible for your own self, but um

46:21push back. I mean, tell me tell me what

46:23you all think cuz

46:24like some of these, like how would you

46:26do a one-pager on some of these things?

46:29I don't know.

46:31of summary.

46:32>> Yeah, I think that something like POBAR

46:34you probably could.

46:35>> Mhm.

46:36>> But um uh implicit bias would be

46:39way more challenging.

46:41Um

46:43uh

46:44the the

46:47the

46:50It could be reasonably labor intensive

46:52even using like AI as an example. Uh if

46:55you were to uh take the PowerPoint for

46:59those that had PowerPoints, I think

47:00maybe they all did.

47:02Most of them.

47:03Um if you took the PowerPoint and

47:07created a one-sheet from the PowerPoint,

47:10that could be helpful.

47:12But I think the issue is who's going to

47:14do it. If you're volunteering to do it,

47:15I think that that'd be great. But I

47:17don't know.

47:18>> Yeah, sure.

47:19>> Right to I don't know if we have the

47:21It's about capacity in terms of I agree

47:24with you. I think that it's available.

47:26If you feel like you missed something,

47:28go and watch it because it's the video

47:30is going to be available. I also

47:31understand though that like for example

47:33last night

47:34maybe you asked the question, the POBAR

47:36question, about um

47:39about discipline memos,

47:41>> Yeah.

47:41>> I did.

47:42>> Right? And and I sent that email this

47:44morning to Olga and Roger and you

47:46um about

47:48you know, cuz I couldn't we just had

47:49this training and I couldn't remember

47:51off the top of my head. So, I looked it

47:52up in terms of where the where do the

47:54discipline memos and our ability to

47:58provide feedback on the discipline memos

47:59to the department, like how much time in

48:01advance of the end of the SOL

48:04do we need? Um and so, having things

48:07like reference sheets, I mean, we have

48:09that binder.

48:11Um it's a nice idea. It's just that I

48:14don't think it's at the top of the list

48:15if that makes sense.

48:17Of all the things that we're trying to

48:19do.

48:22So,

48:22but

48:23>> And and

48:23>> Yeah.

48:24>> Should we should we readdress?

48:27Uh I mean, if I I'd volunteer to do it,

48:29but I certainly would want to rely

48:32on AI.

48:33>> Mhm.

48:34>> Um

48:35or at least to to give it a chance and

48:37see what

48:39>> Mhm.

48:39>> how it turned out. My experience with it

48:42has been fairly good.

48:44>> Well, I'd pick one and see. I mean, like

48:47what Do you have one in mind?

48:49>> Of these? No. Um

48:52what

48:54Let's see.

49:03I think A or B.

49:08>> Mhm.

49:21>> Any particular timeline?

49:25>> By the next training committee meeting?

49:27What are we looking at?

49:27>> Yeah.

49:29>> Okay.

49:33>> Which one are you What What are you

49:34Which one are you going to do?

49:35>> I don't know. Um

49:38I want to do

49:39a a quick look, but

49:41A or B. Um

49:55>> Okay.

49:56Great.

49:58Any other um

50:00feedback or debrief comments about the

50:03POBAR one?

50:04>> Um

50:05I think that the the IA was it IA and

50:08POBAR we had the same night?

50:10>> We had the toxide.

50:10>> Oh, it was the toxide. That's right.

50:12>> Um and I didn't put um Sit Tox on this

50:16list because

50:18um

50:19Chief Nance had circled my chat about

50:21it. That kind of seemed like more of a

50:22one-off, not something that um would be

50:26part is part of our regular training

50:27program at this point.

50:29>> Mhm. Because it's just a pilot program.

50:31It's not part of the PD's general thing.

50:34>> Yeah, but if you feel like you have

50:35something to add

50:36>> no, no.

50:37No, I just remember um

50:39you know, there was some community

50:40feedback and maybe a little commissioner

50:42feedback that um

50:44you know, we had two trainings in one

50:45night uh and one was by an officer on

50:48the Sit Toxa and and the and I know that

50:50I'm the one that set up the the guy the

50:52POBAR guy the lawyer and you know, he's

50:55a

50:57former sheriff, right? So, he he had a

51:00very sort of law enforcement

51:01perspective.

51:03And um

51:04I'm just thinking about um to my mind

51:08POBAR is something that's it's it's more

51:11black and white than some of the other

51:12trainings, right? Because

51:14he was going over like these are the

51:16rules. This is how that applies, right?

51:19Um

51:20and at the same time though um part of

51:22what we may bump up against and and

51:24actually Olga, I'd really like your

51:25input on this. You know, there were

51:27there were some uh community feedback um

51:30about the ways that POBAR can be used

51:34that has a deleterious effect on

51:37community members who have filed

51:39complaints or things like that. So,

51:42um

51:43I don't know if there's another side to

51:47POBAR, you know, or if or or if it it is

51:51what it is. So, Olga, do you have any

51:52thoughts on that?

51:56>> Uh I mean, not not at the moment. I

51:58think it's if this is something that

52:00commission would want to explore, we're

52:02we can certainly do it, but I'm just

52:05thinking um I don't know if there can be

52:07a training on this topic, but to me, I

52:09think the fact that there was community

52:12feedback and the community voice their

52:14concerns with with POBAR was already

52:17enough for commissioners to understand,

52:20right? That, you know, there is this

52:22POBAR, but also there is community

52:24thoughts on it. So, if the commission

52:27wants to

52:28further explore this subject, I think an

52:31individual commissioner can do it

52:33further on their own, but again, um

52:35this is just me also like thinking out

52:37loud on this. Um

52:40that's all I have to say at this point.

52:42>> [snorts]

52:44>> Um well, I mean, my general feedback is

52:46that um I thought that uh the Internal

52:49Affairs overview

52:51was um effective. It gave uh it I think

52:54that um

52:56uh

52:57what's his name? Judd?

52:59Yeah. I think that uh Captain Campbell

53:01uh I think tried to go over like what

53:04their systems were and also some of the

53:06things that he is trying to do to

53:09kind of um uh

53:11make uh Internal Affairs more effective

53:13and more responsive to us.

53:15Um and he you can also correct me if I'm

53:17wrong, Olga.

53:18Um

53:19and uh the uh the the POBAR training

53:23I I found to be reasonably black and

53:26white because he was simply going over

53:28the rules and how this impacts

53:30departments and and officers.

53:32Um implicit bias, um I really liked it.

53:35The only problem is we were scratching

53:37the surface of a real implicit bias

53:38training.

53:39And and that's really hard to do in

53:42whatever we gave her 30 minutes, 45

53:45minutes.

53:46Um

53:47uh

53:47and I don't know what we do about that

53:49because that's something that you could

53:50spend, you know, a weekend retreat on or

53:53at least like a half a day and I don't

53:55know how we find the time to do

53:56something like that.

53:57Um

53:59and the

54:01uh

54:03>> Use of force.

54:03>> Use of force, Sharon Fairly.

54:05Um I

54:09I know she said teacher.

54:12But

54:13I have to say and I've and you know, you

54:15and I have had conversations with her

54:16before a couple years ago, remember?

54:18>> Mhm.

54:18>> Um

54:20um

54:23I this is my personal thing that I I I'm

54:26very um

54:28I don't want to say critical, but I I I

54:30I know a great presenter when I see one

54:32and she wasn't as great as I wanted her

54:34to be

54:35considering she is a professor.

54:38>> Is that the University of Chicago?

54:40>> Yes.

54:41So I this is just my that was just my

54:43own take. I'm not saying it was awful. I

54:44just wanted it to

54:47be great and it was good.

54:50So

54:51>> [snorts]

54:53>> What do you think?

54:55You were there, right?

54:56>> Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

54:58I um yeah, maybe I'm biased because of

55:02the previous conversations I've had with

55:03her and stuff. I just think she's super

55:05smart and

55:07um

55:09I

55:09I I didn't have any notes.

55:19>> Yeah, yeah, at the end of the day I

55:20think that what is what is challenging

55:23for the commission

55:25is trying to get everything done in the

55:29that that we need to. I mean, I think

55:30that we're now that we're caught up on

55:32cases

55:33I think we're doing

55:34pretty good most of the time at

55:37squeezing everything into

55:40those 3 hours.

55:42Adding, you know, with with training,

55:45community feedback, commissioner

55:46feedback.

55:47Uh

55:48so.

55:51Yeah. Yeah, last several months have

55:53been very heavy training, which I think

55:54is really

55:56helpful.

55:58>> We're trying to get

55:59up to speed.

56:00>> Mhm. Stephen, what do you think?

56:06>> Um

56:11about which part? About Sharon or about

56:15>> any of these individual trainings or

56:17just in general, how things have been

56:18going?

56:19>> [clears throat]

56:21>> Very well, I think.

56:24Um

56:27and

56:30we could do so much more

56:32at the same time.

56:34Uh

56:35and

56:38as far as our resources go

56:41pretty happy with with uh

56:44Saturday stuff, with the

56:47community outreach aspect of I mean,

56:50there's training also going on whenever

56:53we show up somewhere in the community.

56:56And

57:00a door opens as to

57:02oh, we the people have remedies.

57:06You have, you know, the Constitution and

57:08all of that stuff and we have a group

57:11interested in in protecting our rights

57:14and we have a group and we I anyway, um

57:21so

57:22well, that

57:24with respect to all the training,

57:26um

57:27but whatever more we can do, I I could

57:30add

57:32you know, like four more categories to

57:35>> I wasn't talking about that. This is

57:36feedback on how this how these topics

57:39were delivered, um the content of them

57:42like

57:43did we miss anything?

57:46Um

57:46was it not an effective train like would

57:48we do something different in the future?

57:50I mean because right now this is where

57:52my brain's at.

57:55Hobar, we provided it and it's recorded.

57:57Internal Affairs provided it and it's

57:59recorded. Implicit Bias provided it and

58:01it's recorded. Use of Force provided it

58:02and it's recorded. So those are done,

58:04they're there. New commissioners can get

58:06them. We're not going to bring it back.

58:08We're not going to use unless there was

58:10something missing.

58:12That's that's where my head's at.

58:15Yeah.

58:15>> Okay.

58:22>> Okay.

58:24Anything else?

58:27>> No.

58:28>> Okay.

58:29Um so that concludes new business.

58:34Any commissioner comments?

58:47>> I'm good.

58:48>> I've got none.

58:50>> Nope.

58:52>> All right. So now thinking about when do

58:54we think we will meet another meeting

58:58and looking at what the training is

59:02between now and the end of the year, I

59:04don't think we need to meet again until

59:07after the first of the year.

59:10>> Yeah, I agree.

59:11>> Okay. So

59:13um

59:15I'm looking at like if we don't

59:19do

59:22like maybe even in

59:24I mean I want us to make progress on

59:25things. Like maybe not until like even

59:28I don't know, March? Is that too long to

59:31wait?

59:33Gives you a long time to work on your

59:34summaries.

59:36>> [laughter]

59:37>> Um well, Ethan or Olga, um our you know,

59:41I I realize committees create work for

59:44the staff sometimes, but but we also

59:47need to kind of to the extent that we

59:48have a training committee, we need to

59:49kind of keep the ball moving forward,

59:51like um do you uh with the things that

59:55are kind of currently on the horizon,

59:57whether it's the

59:59CPP on the ground and its new iteration

1:00:02or the things that are being lined up,

1:00:04is there a need that that for for you

1:00:06all, for us to

1:00:08to meet between now and

1:00:10give or take March?

1:00:15>> Well, I appreciate you asking us. I

1:00:16think we have our work cut out for us

1:00:18because the training academies are have

1:00:21a lot of training items. So,

1:00:23irrespective of whether the committee

1:00:24meets, we'll continue working on them,

1:00:26particularly on the ones that I

1:00:27mentioned. But but I would say if if

1:00:31you're asking for for my suggestion,

1:00:34maybe January would be a good good

1:00:36check-in cuz I feel like usually in like

1:00:393 months enough um enough business

1:00:42accumulates for the committee to

1:00:43discuss, but this is just my thought on

1:00:46that, of course.

1:00:49>> Okay. That's what I was thinking, too.

1:00:50>> Okay, good.

1:00:51>> Because also, if you want to if we're

1:00:53going to invite

1:00:54right? I'm going to be working with

1:00:55Elena to get new you know, to get new

1:00:57people to sign up for committees, newer

1:00:59commissioners, who should all be on

1:01:01boarded in theory, but between now and

1:01:03the end of the year.

1:01:04Uh then you want to give them something

1:01:06to go to.

1:01:07Right, whoever ended up on the training

1:01:08committee. So, maybe sometime like mid

1:01:10to late January.

1:01:12>> Okay. Yeah.

1:01:12>> I I I see that.

1:01:14>> Yeah, yeah, the reason I was thinking

1:01:15longer was to give us time to actually

1:01:17go out and do CPP on the ground. So,

1:01:20that's but that that's totally I I

1:01:23agree. Agree with all of those. So then

1:01:25that would be

1:01:27>> [clears throat]

1:01:28>> if we kind of stuck with our timeline,

1:01:30it could be as early as January 7th. Do

1:01:32you want to

1:01:34do you want to wait longer in the month?

1:01:38>> I could do I could do the 7th, the 14th,

1:01:41or the 21st.

1:01:43For a Thursday.

1:01:58Uh

1:02:01>> Thank you, Pepper.

1:02:12>> Uh

1:02:13Uh I know I'm not going to be available

1:02:15on the 14th, but

1:02:17>> Okay, so then maybe the 7th or the 21st?

1:02:20>> Yeah, whatever. I have community

1:02:21outreach on here. I think it's the old

1:02:23calendar for community outreach. Should

1:02:25probably take that off.

1:02:29>> 21st is fine.

1:02:31Well, any of those dates are fine with

1:02:33me.

1:02:37>> Oh, well, I'm not be I'm going to be on

1:02:38this I'm not really on any committee.

1:02:40I'm on all the committees and none of

1:02:41the committees. I came to this meeting

1:02:43because you asked me to.

1:02:44>> I know, cuz otherwise

1:02:45>> So don't worry about me. All right.

1:02:47>> Yeah, but you never come to the next

1:02:49one.

1:02:50>> Oh, yeah, I'm going to come cuz I'm

1:02:50going to read your memos.

1:02:52I was going to offer to work on one.

1:02:54If you pick one, I will do the other.

1:02:57>> Which one would you like?

1:03:01>> Uh internal affairs overview.

1:03:03>> Okay.

1:03:05>> Okay.

1:03:14All right.

1:03:15All right, so let's let's give you a

1:03:17little extra time and uh get together on

1:03:19the 21st.

1:03:21>> Sounds good.

1:03:22>> January. Don't you think? But

1:03:23>> But 7th like bumping up against the

1:03:26>> the holidays.

1:03:27>> Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

1:03:28>> It'll be the day after the first

1:03:30commission meeting.

1:03:32>> Yeah, that's kind of a lot.

1:03:33>> Which I find exhausting.

1:03:34>> Yes.

1:03:37Okay.

1:03:3821st, got it. 5:00.

1:03:41Yes. Terrific.

1:03:43Okay.

1:03:47Awesome.

1:03:48>> Great.

1:03:49So, if anybody doesn't have any other

1:03:52business,

1:03:53we can

1:03:54>> Motion to adjourn.

1:03:56>> So moved.

1:03:57>> Yay.

1:03:58>> Great.

1:03:59>> Thank you, Olga. Thank you, Ethan.

1:04:01>> Yes, thank you. Both very well.

1:04:03>> Good evening, commissioners.

1:04:04>> Have a good night.

1:04:05>> Thank you.