2026-10-07 - Commission on Police Practices

06:20The bottom.

06:32Good evening.

06:37Good morning patients. I call this

06:38regular business meeting to officially

06:40practices to order. My name is Bonnie

06:43Peters, chair of the commission.

06:45Thank you everyone uh for joining us

06:47here at the Southeastern Wilshire

06:49Center.

06:51And to those uh participating virtually

06:53through Microsoft Teams, we appreciate

06:55your time

06:57uh and your continued engagement.

06:59Uh the meeting is being conducted in a

07:00hybrid format. The commissioners present

07:03in person and members of the public may

07:04be participate by and that will be

07:07in their discretion with the Ralph M.

07:10Brown Act of Government Code Section

07:1254953.

07:14The agenda and special for remote public

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07:24proceedings

07:25uh if needed to preserve your right to

07:27participate.

07:29Uh before we begin, just a quick

07:31reminder about public comment. If you're

07:33here in person,

07:35uh please complete a speaker slip and

07:37submit it to the staff before the item

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07:45heard in the order that they're received

07:46and can speak for up to 3 minutes

07:48subject to any time management needs.

07:52You can offer non-agenda public comment

07:54either at the beginning or the end of

07:56today's agenda, but not twice, not both.

07:59Just as a reminder, commissioners, if

08:01for the floating microphones

08:04which I don't see any Oh, no, no, no, I

08:05guess there are. Make sure that you keep

08:07them in the off position

08:08when you're not speaking.

08:11And with that, Ms. Conklin, would you

08:12please conduct roll call.

08:16>> Yes. Can you hear me?

08:18Okay.

08:19Okay. Chair Bonnie Benitez.

08:21>> Here.

08:21>> Thank you. Vice Chair of Policy Ada

08:23Rodriguez.

08:25Thank you. Vice Chair of External

08:26Affairs David Bertoni.

08:28>> Here.

08:28>> Thank you.

08:30Vice Chair of Strategic Planning Armando

08:31Flores.

08:33Thank you.

08:34Vice Chair of Community Development

08:36Arlene Holtman.

08:37Thank you. And then we have

08:40Commissioner Kelly Brusher.

08:42Thank you. Commissioner Cheryl Canson is

08:44not here yet.

08:46Commissioner Steve Chatzky.

08:50Commissioner Lupe Diaz.

08:51>> Here.

08:52>> Thank you.

08:53Commissioner

08:56Arindam Dixit.

08:57>> Here.

08:57>> Did I say that right?

08:58>> It's Arindam.

09:00>> Arindam, thank you. Arindam Dixit.

09:02Then we have Michael

09:06Allen Bogan.

09:07>> Here.

09:07>> Yes, thank you.

09:09Jesus Carlos Muños Muños. Not here yet?

09:14Dwayne Hardy. It's not here yet.

09:17Clovis Honoré is excused.

09:21Elizabeth Inerhine excused.

09:23Kirby Knisley.

09:24>> Here.

09:24>> Thank you.

09:27Chenying Rickard.

09:30Excused. Jay Sena.

09:33Is not here yet. Uh, Francisco Peralta

09:36Vargas.

09:36>> Here.

09:37>> Thank you. And then we have Crystal Van

09:38Dyke who is not here yet.

09:41Thank you. That concludes attendance.

09:44>> Uh, thank you. And now for any

09:47non-agenda public comment, Mr. Obie, do

09:49we have anyone in person or remote?

09:54>> We have no speakers that have submitted

09:56for in-person public comment. If you're

09:58joining us virtually and would like to

10:00give public comment, please raise your

10:02hand now using the raise hand feature on

10:04Microsoft Teams.

10:07You may now raise your hand.

10:08>> Gochen Wylie?

10:10Okay, yes.

10:12>> And just a reminder, if you have any

10:14technical difficulties with public

10:16comment throughout this meeting, you can

10:18always reach out to me

10:19at 619-859-8542.

10:25This concludes public comments of the

10:27San Diego City Council.

10:31>> Uh, okay. Um, we're going to move on to

10:33item five on the on the agenda. Now

10:34we're at the communications from the

10:36chair and the executive director.

10:38Um, I just want to give a brief report

10:40of what's happened since our last

10:42meeting.

10:43Um,

10:44we're about six weeks into the

10:45department's 60-day review window on the

10:48recommendations we sent to Chief

10:49Zimmerman on August 24th. No written

10:52response yet.

10:53Um, I think the deadline is something

10:55like October 23rd. That's it.

10:58Uh, so there's nothing to report on

11:02substance with that tonight, but

11:04just so that you know where Chula Vista

11:05stands and then we will be bringing that

11:07to the commission when we receive the

11:09chief's response.

11:11Um,

11:12uh,

11:13as we all know, surveillance

11:14technologies continue to be in the

11:17press.

11:18Um, I think it's worth our attention,

11:21even though adoption decisions sit with

11:22the privacy privacy advisory board.

11:25Um, and just I want to point out that

11:27tomorrow the privacy privacy advisory

11:30board is meeting downtown at council

11:33chambers at 5:30 p.m.

11:35And I would encourage any commissioners

11:37who are able to attend to uh and are

11:39interested in the department's use of

11:41surveillance technologies to attend that

11:43meeting. Um and uh also members of the

11:46public, of course.

11:48At that meeting,

11:50um the uh department will be presenting

11:53information regarding the use of drones

11:55as first responder and counter UAS

11:58remote identification detection systems.

12:01I think we'll call this Suffer.

12:03Yeah, what is it? Um the counter UAS

12:05remote identification detection system

12:08is essentially um a receiver that

12:11passively picks up on remote ID

12:13broadcasts that the FAA requires for

12:15people who are using drones. Um and it

12:18would be um basically a receiver that

12:20would be able to identify the drone that

12:23might be interfering with fire or police

12:26or something like that. Um and so the

12:29other one

12:31about using drones as first responders,

12:34uh which is uh they call it DFR and

12:37involves uh small drones that are under

12:4055 lb and equipped with cameras

12:42potentially being able being stationed.

12:44This is proposals, by the way, coming

12:46before the PAB.

12:48Um so they would be stationed at docking

12:50points around the city and flown

12:52remotely by a ground pilot dispatch to

12:55active incidents like uh crimes in

12:57progress, looking for missing persons,

12:59fires, floods, etc.

13:01Um

13:02driven by a manual uh pilot uh remotely.

13:05And then there are policies uh that the

13:07department is proposing in terms of

13:09using that. Those policies bar facial

13:12recognition, ALPR uh integration, and

13:15weapons weaponization of the drones.

13:17Anyway, this is all pretty new to me. I

13:19just had to look up what these things

13:21are. But if you uh want to follow this

13:23more closely, I encourage you to uh

13:25attend the uh privacy advisory board

13:28meetings. And I just want to make clear

13:30that

13:31and another we've gone over this before,

13:33but for people who haven't heard, you

13:34know, the Privacy Advisory Board's

13:36charge is to

13:38work under the Trust Ordinance in terms

13:41of making recommendations to City

13:43Council for use

13:45of various surveillance technologies

13:48and dealing with the Police Department

13:50on the proposed policies. And unlike the

13:54other policies that we have had to deal

13:55with, the City Council actually approves

13:57these policies, whereas things like um

14:02uh

14:04the

14:05um

14:06Great Streets Ops, thank you.

14:07Um where those policies are are managed

14:10entirely by the Police Department. So,

14:13it's not that we don't have a hand in

14:15this, we absolutely do in terms of the

14:17uses of of these things, the police

14:19practices once they have been approved,

14:22um and then also an interchange in the

14:24future between us and the Privacy

14:26Advisory Board, perhaps with respect to

14:28our views on those policies. So, we'll

14:32see. There's a lot more to come but it's

14:35a space.

14:37Um also,

14:39the Downtown Enforcement Operation last

14:41fall we flagged in September, uh

14:44starting over Labor Day weekend, and

14:46basically it's a surge of additional law

14:48enforcement in Downtown San Diego and

14:50the Gaslamp on weekend nights.

14:53Um this came up when we met with the

14:55chief um a few weeks ago and basically

14:59he made clear that the intention of the

15:00Gaslamp surge is to ensure that there

15:03are enough officers present on weekend

15:05nights to be able to address developing

15:06incidents before they get out of hand.

15:09From his perspective, the number of

15:10officers previously on duty in the

15:12Gaslamp on weekend nights and early

15:14mornings was insufficient and led to

15:16some incidents that that we've seen on

15:18social media. Um

15:21meaning that because there weren't

15:22enough officers

15:24to essentially see problems developing

15:26in their early stages, they were having

15:28to react or perhaps in some

15:30circumstances over react to things as

15:32they got out of hand.

15:34Time will tell whether this new approach

15:37is effective in terms of reducing the

15:38number of incidents and avoiding

15:39unnecessary uses of force on the part of

15:41officers.

15:42Um, so hopefully community members,

15:44visitors, and police officers are all

15:46safer as a result of having more

15:48officers downtown when people are

15:49pouring out of the bars on the weekends,

15:51but I guess we'll see.

15:53Um, in terms of the commission, I just

15:55have a few more things.

15:57Um, we have a few new commissioners here

15:59tonight that I haven't met, so I'm

16:01looking forward to working with you. And

16:02there's also a few commissioners that

16:04just started

16:05in the last month.

16:07And I I want to just go back to my first

16:11chair report in July. And one of my

16:13priorities is to encourage every

16:15commissioner to engage more deeply in

16:16this work, whether you've been here for

16:18a few years like I have or you're brand

16:20new.

16:21This is challenging work and it requires

16:23significant commitment and time.

16:27And I can tell you that from my

16:29experience that the more I engage, the

16:30more meaningful the work became.

16:33Whether it's case review, committee

16:34work, community outreach,

16:36they're not just obligations, they're

16:38where the work actually happens, not

16:41necessarily at this meeting, although

16:42this meeting is also fairly important.

16:46And I want to drive this home a little

16:47bit more pointedly. Attending all or

16:50most commission business meetings, that

16:52is the first Wednesday of every month

16:55from 5:00 to 8:00 p.m., you should lock

16:58it on your calendar. We understand

17:00things happen, you get sick, you may

17:02travel,

17:03but please make it a point at a minimum

17:05to be at these meetings.

17:08Um, check your email, respond to staff

17:11when they text you or they email. It's

17:13really important that you be engaged,

17:15but honestly, this is the floor. This is

17:18the floor of the work that you'll be

17:20asked to do.

17:21Uh each commissioner is assigned to a

17:23case

17:24review group.

17:25Um your assigned investigator will be

17:26reaching out regarding cases that that

17:28have been assigned to your group. Please

17:29respond to your assigned investigator.

17:32Uh take time to review all the relevant

17:33documents and body worn camera footage,

17:35participate in group meetings,

17:37uh etc. But, one of the most important

17:39things about doing that is that it will

17:41enhance your learning of the work.

17:43So, um watching body worn camera

17:45footage, reading police reports, reading

17:48reading the reports written by our

17:49investigators, you will learn so much

17:51from being deeply invested in that in

17:53that process. Lastly, uh each

17:56commissioner is asked to serve on at

17:57least one committee.

17:58Uh please make it a point to attend your

18:00committee meetings and also volunteer to

18:02take on tasks as needed. Uh it's

18:05challenging work, and in order for us to

18:07be effective in doing our job as

18:08commissioners, we have to take the work

18:11very seriously and dedicate time

18:13necessary.

18:15Um

18:17Finally, we recognize that this work is

18:18not for everyone. Um most of it is not

18:21fun, uh but you will be working with

18:23really good people.

18:24Um and if you find you cannot regularly

18:27attend meetings or participate as

18:29required by the commission bylaws,

18:31please step aside so someone else can.

18:33That's it for my report.

18:41>> Point of orders Clark.

18:43I'd like to move to close the public

18:45hearing.

18:46Second.

18:49>> Good evening, and let me join in on the

18:51welcome to the new commissioners and

18:53just make the request in general both to

18:56the new commissioners and to

18:59uh existing commissioners.

19:02Please talk to us. Any concerns you

19:04have, any needs you have, any interests

19:07you have for the purpose of training and

19:10and subjects that you'd like to hear uh

19:12from us on.

19:13Any of that stuff, please talk to us. It

19:16helps us very much in our work and very

19:19much focuses

19:21uh the ways that we can serve you.

19:26Couple of months of complaints gathered

19:28to report.

19:30So, in September 2026,

19:33the CPPP received a total of 98

19:36complaints.

19:38Of these, 69 complaints were filed with

19:41Internal Affairs

19:43and 29 complaints were filed with the

19:45CPPP.

19:47Of the 29 complaints filed with the

19:49CPPP,

19:5024 were forwarded to Internal Affairs

19:54and five were out of jurisdiction.

19:57In August of 2026,

20:00the CPPP received a total of 124

20:03complaints.

20:04Of these, 83 were filed with Internal

20:07Affairs and 41 were filed with the CPPP.

20:12Of the 41 complaints filed with the

20:14CPPP,

20:1629 were forwarded to Internal Affairs

20:19and 12 were out of jurisdiction.

20:22Yesterday, the Office of the Commission

20:25on Police Practices met with the City of

20:26San Diego Negotiating Team to discuss

20:29matters concerning the meet and confer

20:31process with the San San Diego Municipal

20:35Employees Association and the San Diego

20:37Police Officers Association.

20:40In connection with that, on Friday,

20:43October 9th,

20:44the Office of the Commission on Police

20:46Practices will meet for the second time

20:48with the San Diego Police Officers

20:50Association as part of the meet and

20:53confer process.

20:54So, progress on those matters continue.

20:58Next, on Thursday, October 22nd at 6:00

21:02p.m. here at Live Well Center in an

21:05event co-hosted by San Diegans for

21:07Justice and Saving Lives in Custody

21:10California, I will meet with community

21:13members here to discuss recent

21:15developments regarding the Office of the

21:17Commission of Police Practices.

21:19This meeting will be the second in a

21:21series of community conversation

21:24conversations which began on June 6th of

21:272026.

21:30As has already been discussed, 44 days

21:33ago,

21:34the CPT made a series of policy

21:36recommendations to the San Diego Police

21:38Department regarding the practice of

21:40pre-text stops.

21:42These recommendations are available in

21:44their entirety on the CPT's webpage.

21:47Within the next few weeks, we expect to

21:49receive the San Diego Police

21:51Department's substantive response to

21:53those recommendations.

21:55Whether those responses reflect complete

21:58agreement or something just short of

22:00that,

22:01we thank the department in advance for

22:03their attentive consideration and look

22:06forward to the robust public

22:08conversation that will follow the

22:11receipt of those responses.

22:18>> Okay, and back to item four which I

22:20skipped which is the approval of the

22:22minutes if

22:24hopefully everyone has had a chance to

22:25review

22:26the minutes from September 2nd.

22:29Can I have

22:31Okay, we have a motion and is there a

22:33second to approve the minutes?

22:36Thank you. Is there any discussion

22:37regarding the September 2nd minutes?

22:41Seeing none, all in favor of approving

22:43the minutes?

22:44Did you have a discussion on this?

22:45>> Not yet. Where is it?

22:48I mean, yes, but

22:50>> Use the microphone.

22:52Use the mic.

22:53Yeah, I know you do.

22:56>> It's already up there.

23:10>> I'll move you back.

23:14Um

23:18There is an address of somebody here.

23:22This is address that probably should not

23:24appear

23:25>> No.

23:25>> in the uh

23:27Outlook

23:29web form submission.

23:31>> [clears throat]

23:32>> Reading off the public agenda, that's on

23:34page one of two.

23:36Uh

23:37>> Can I say public

23:38>> I would probably not read it.

23:40>> On the document

23:42I was going to say nothing online.

23:43>> So, I would remove remove

23:44>> I hear

23:45>> that we exercise that address.

23:47>> Yeah.

23:48by our citizens.

23:50Which one?

23:51This one.

23:53The second one.

23:55That's it.

23:58I got it.

23:58>> Uh yeah. Okay, thank you.

23:59>> We'll remove

24:01We'll redact that address from the

24:03document. Thank you. Appreciate that.

24:06Um and with that change, um all in favor

24:09of approving the minutes as amended.

24:13>> As amended.

24:15>> Any opposed?

24:17Any abstentions?

24:18>> So.

24:21>> There's one abstention. Did you Two

24:23abstentions.

24:24>> Two.

24:24>> three.

24:25>> Three abstentions. Okay, thank you.

24:28Um and uh let's see, moving on to

24:35non-agenda communications from

24:37commissioners. Is there anything

24:41Um Mr. Moment.

24:54>> So, as um the chair of the training

24:57committee, I wanted to welcome the new

25:00commissioners to the commission. Thank

25:02you for being here. And to give a

25:06shout-out to experienced commissioners

25:08that there is an opportunity to partner

25:10with a new commissioner through our

25:12mentorship program.

25:13And I don't know know if all of the

25:15experienced ones remember when they

25:16first joined how I I would have really

25:20benefited from having a mentor. So,

25:24investigator Warren will be sending an

25:27email out to experienced commissioners.

25:30Please be on the lookout for that and

25:32really consider volunteering and helping

25:34the new people.

25:35Thank you.

25:41>> Uh thank you. Uh Commissioner Flores.

25:47>> Hello.

25:49So, I'm just wondering um

25:51for the meeting minutes are now not on

25:53the Saturday agenda. Uh the Rules

25:55Committee meeting was uh Saturday the

25:5720th. So, that's not on the agenda. I

25:59saw I wanted to just bring that up cuz

26:01we do have that meeting coming up in a

26:02couple weeks.

26:03Um and beyond that, I was wondering

26:05about um

26:07the uh submission of documents during

26:09the meetings. I I know I actually

26:11submitted my email last week.

26:13Um I was

26:14I had a question

26:15a question about those documents. If

26:18submitted, would it be included to be

26:19part of the minute or paragraph?

26:22It come from the

26:23Think Committee's last They were from

26:25the last minutes and they were not put

26:27in these minutes. So, I wasn't sure if

26:29the document I submitted for the

26:31meeting um two

26:32>> Right.

26:32>> two weeks ago

26:34>> Yeah.

26:34>> are going to be included in the

26:35following minutes or they is it just an

26:37error and they shouldn't have been

26:38included in this one?

26:40Cuz I know they shouldn't have been

26:41included in the last one cuz they

26:42weren't.

26:44Which one? Was that?

26:46Yeah.

26:47>> Well, I mean, it's two separate

26:48questions. I believe you're referring to

26:50the documents that you submitted at the

26:51Saturday meeting.

26:53>> Yeah.

26:54So, they would be attached to the

26:55minutes they go online for that meeting

26:57if they haven't already then

26:59Okay. Then we can make sure that they

27:01are. I know what you're talking about.

27:04>> Yeah, it's too So, because the

27:06improvement should be on this one.

27:08They were on this one but you're asking

27:10for the documents that you asked to be

27:11on those minutes.

27:13>> I'm sorry. First of all

27:15What are we doing? What is this?

27:16>> Okay. I will Yes, I'll do it.

27:19>> there were documents that were submitted

27:20at the Saturday meeting and those those

27:22documents should be attached to the

27:24online meeting minutes from the Saturday

27:26meeting. Is that correct? Okay.

27:33Okay. And

27:39Commissioner Rodriguez.

27:44>> Good evening. I'm the chair of the

27:46policy committee and with that means

27:49that we were supposed to have meeting

27:53on the last two weeks. We were

27:55unfortunately

27:56we're not able to have that meeting due

27:58to quorum. So, I just want to take this

28:01time and an advantage and have everyone

28:04from the policy committee please raise

28:06your hand.

28:14So, I have one, two, three, Mike Shaw.

28:18Um all right. So, the policy committee

28:21is the committee where we're a group we

28:24come together, we take our uh the

28:26community concerns, complaints, trends,

28:29um best practices. As a commissioner,

28:33you can come or represent your district,

28:36um

28:36all of San Diego and this where we get

28:39together and um

28:41gather all that information to come up

28:44with the recommendations that we end up

28:47giving to San Diego Police Department to

28:50consider.

28:51Anyone else interested in changing

28:55>> I think what we're going to do is for

28:57the new commissioners we're going to be

28:59reaching out and taking their requests

29:01and then since I appoint people to

29:03commit to committees we'll we'll do it

29:05that way. So we'll reach out to

29:06everybody and we'll get ask them for

29:08their top three committees to be on.

29:10>> Perfect.

29:10>> Yes.

29:11>> All right, so with the ones on the

29:14committee I would like

29:16them up with a few days which they are

29:19more available to meet.

29:21Um

29:23Do you have a few minutes?

29:25>> Um I don't have dates designated. I know

29:28Wednesday doesn't work for you, right?

29:30Kelly? Okay, Kelly's on the commission

29:31as well.

29:32Um so likely a Tuesday

29:35be good.

29:36>> I wonder if you all can do this at the

29:38end of the meeting today to schedule

29:40your meeting and not during the meeting.

29:43Since we're all together.

29:45>> Low battery.

29:48>> One chair.

29:52One minute.

29:53It's not a happy medium.

29:56>> All right, that's the main speaker.

29:57>> All right, um

29:59>> 20 minutes is rules.

30:02>> The meeting all the time is good.

30:05>> So hang on when maybe

30:07right at the end of the meeting anybody

30:09who's on the policy committee could just

30:11gather together and look at your

30:12calendars and and then figure that out

30:15with Mr. Burns.

30:17Okay, thank you. Moving anything else

30:19from commissioners?

30:22Uh okay, now we have our first and only

30:25action item of the open meeting and that

30:27is the um

30:29semi-annual report, Mike.

30:32>> Give me the microphone.

30:37>> Fortune is supporting.

30:46>> Jackson.

30:47>> Yeah, on the phone.

30:52>> And tell me your name and who you

30:53represent.

30:54>> Yeah.

30:55>> Good morning.

30:55>> Uh my name is Chief Investigator Olga

30:57Colon.

30:58Um before you today is the semi-annual

31:00report covering the period of January

31:02through June of 2026. This comprehensive

31:05document is a result of a collective

31:07effort with contributions from staff and

31:10commissioners.

31:11As a brief reminder, the commission is

31:13required to draft, approve, and present

31:16to the city council and the mayor a

31:18report highlighting its activities on a

31:20semi-annual basis. This comprehensive

31:23document encompasses all the main

31:25undertakings of the CIPP and OCPP during

31:28the reporting period.

31:30It contains information on complaints

31:32received and processed, outlines in

31:35detail issues the commission has been

31:37working on, highlights training and

31:39recommendations to the commission,

31:42uh presents all the required statistical

31:45information compiled from review of SDB

31:47investigations,

31:49describes the commission's community

31:51outreach and policy efforts, and

31:53provides information on committee

31:55activities.

31:56The executive committee uh reviewed and

31:58approved this report at its September

32:0016th meeting. It is now presented today

32:03for the entire commission for review and

32:06approval. Thank you, Chair.

32:17>> Okay, so let's see. Um

32:20I know that the members of the executive

32:22committee uh with the exception of

32:24Commissioner Mallott, who was not uh

32:26available, uh have had chance to uh read

32:28through this.

32:29Um just uh one

32:32item of note, um often times we've gone

32:34through this a few few now, and we have

32:36to realize that this is looking

32:37backward, right? So, these are the

32:40things that happened in the first 6

32:41months of this year.

32:42Um and so, things about future, things

32:44that have happened after the end of June

32:46would not be included in this report.

32:48So, just be be mindful of that. Uh does

32:51anyone have any um

32:54questions about the report that they

32:55would like to pose to Ms. Golub, or can

32:57we have a motion and a second and then

32:59move into discussion about the report?

33:07Anything? A motion?

33:11>> Second.

33:12>> Okay. We have a motion and a second to

33:14um accept the report from the staff, and

33:16then we'll it'll be submitted to the uh

33:19city council. And in discussion,

33:21Commissioner Mon.

33:31>> I just noticed um a couple little things

33:34that need clarification that are not

33:35substantive, and I talked to staff about

33:38them. So, um

33:40I would like to just say

33:42um approved with those minor changes

33:45made.

33:48That's my request for amendment.

33:53>> Yeah, I think that this has happened

33:54before that um we point out Sometimes we

33:56get to the meeting and we can find a few

33:58typos

33:59um or grammatical errors or repeated

34:02sentences, things like that. Um and so,

34:05any commissioner that finds anything in

34:06the report, they would uh please send

34:08them to the staff. If they're not a

34:10substantive change, which we would want

34:12to discuss here, if it's a

34:13non-substantive change, please um

34:16locate those changes and get them uh to

34:19Chief Investigator Golub.

34:21Uh Commissioner Flores.

34:28>> So, thank you to the staff for this

34:30report. Super thorough. We did a check

34:32out. We looked it over. Second

34:34committee. and I wish that we share all

34:36the time and effort we put into this

34:37report. Um I

34:40just wanted to know that

34:41maybe that's um a really important

34:43section for, you know, this commission I

34:45feel is the miscellaneous complaint

34:47section where

34:48um you know, he notes that 72% of all

34:51complaints SPD

34:53received in 2025 were closed as

34:55miscellaneous.

34:56And that's an important number to keep

34:58in mind. We don't We're not able to

35:00review these uh because they were closed

35:02in their miscellaneous which

35:05we barely know that means. And that's

35:07frustrating for us and we you know, we

35:09need to push harder to you guys to give

35:10us all of the data.

35:12All of the difference complaints because

35:16it's not living up to measure B for us

35:18to not view all of them.

35:20So I just wanted to make sure you point

35:21that out and appreciate all of the

35:23effort updating that

35:25language. Um that's

35:28>> So thank you.

35:30Are there any other comments, questions,

35:31concerns, thoughts? I know it's a lot to

35:34take in.

35:37Uh Commissioner

35:39Pardon me.

35:44>> Is there a specific due date for this

35:46report to be turned in to City Council?

35:49I know sometimes they have to go through

35:51like public safety committees and

35:54sometimes those reports are discussed

35:56during those committees or something

35:57like that.

35:58>> No No, there's not. We we try to do it

36:01um

36:01you know, this end of June uh the end of

36:03June. So we try to get it to them kind

36:06of at the end of the next quarter or

36:07thereabouts. We're a little bit beyond

36:08beyond that at this point.

36:11Mr. Chapman?

36:13>> Thank you.

36:15I really appreciate this report as well.

36:18You have to get right into it. Um I take

36:21it that it will be in color and copies

36:25for the public will be in color as well.

36:28And then that's not just a format,

36:30that's substantive.

36:37>> The online version will be black and

36:39color.

36:45And the copies that we have at the

36:47office also will be in color. Is that

36:49what you're curious about? Yes.

36:55>> For those of you who are new

36:57reading this report thoroughly will give

36:59you a good idea of what it is that we've

37:01been up to

37:02earlier this year. Are there any other

37:04comments, questions, concerns?

37:08>> One last thing.

37:18>> I think it is um

37:20>> [clears throat]

37:21>> worthwhile mentioning that the issue you

37:24know what they were promised and what

37:25they were saying and what they received.

37:27In the other section here has case

37:29review statistics, you know, that has

37:32those complaints on officer speeding,

37:34officers not having their license items

37:36on when they're speeding.

37:38And you know, noting that we we asked

37:41them for this data, they promised they

37:43were going to give us data and they

37:44never did.

37:46Maybe we should mention in this report

37:47that we could have had more data, we

37:49could have had this information, they

37:50promised to us and it never happened.

37:53And that's something we're giving to the

37:54safety committee to do, you know, uh

37:56city council.

37:57Right? We're we're letting them know

37:58that we asked them, they said yes

38:01and they didn't follow through.

38:12>> You put it there, too.

38:16>> I said fine, fine.

38:17Thank you for that. Uh one thing I would

38:19say uh

38:21in response to that,

38:23already planned for the next semi-annual

38:25report will be a policy follow-up

38:29section.

38:30So, we have some information requests

38:33that we've done to make, and pretty soon

38:35we'll have more information requests

38:37regarding past policy recommendations

38:40that we are requesting information from

38:42the department as part of the follow-up.

38:44We expect that we'll have a sufficient

38:47response to that to include a new

38:50section in semi-annual report. But, we

38:53don't anticipate having that in time for

38:55this report.

38:57For the next semi-annual report.

39:00Jump, jump.

39:05>> I know this is, you know, a section that

39:07we're following up on, and not for what

39:08I'm adding to this special report. But,

39:10this is data that they were supposed to

39:11give us, and they were already to hand

39:13us without us asking for it.

39:16And so, I think that should be delivered

39:18to us.

39:19If this how many that I'm already

39:21ordered that they missed in this is

39:23better.

39:24And that's something that we don't have.

39:26You know, we needed a part two, and

39:28this is your report to this date.

39:31And if it's missing, then the public

39:32doesn't have that information to ever

39:34share with what I'm missing here.

39:39>> That's a good point.

39:41And

39:42as we accumulate data and we gather in

39:45responses, we'll be able to incorporate

39:48that. Uh as it relates to this report,

39:51uh to the extent that that's considered

39:54a non-substantive matter that will not

39:56require the report to come in back in

39:57front of the group, absolutely we'll

39:59include it after that.

40:07>> So, should we address this now with

40:09>> Yes.

40:09>> um in this report because it was part of

40:11this period of time.

40:13And I'm I'm just concerned that we're

40:15kind of getting behind.

40:16And we be here on jobs accountability

40:19and hold them accountable. we have to

40:20call them out what they are doing which

40:22is a

40:23is I'm not with you on the points.

40:25And that should be part of this because

40:27that happened during this period of

40:28time.

40:29So I'm just I I would I mean I would

40:32love to accept this

40:33with that

40:35addition.

40:36With being able to say saying that we

40:39You know this is

40:41That's all of us.

40:42>> Yeah, that's that's fine with us. We

40:44don't uh have an objection. I'm just

40:46more speaking to the issue.

40:47>> Thank you for sharing. Thank you.

40:52>> So just for clarity you're talking about

40:54adding something like on page 26.

40:57For example. Yeah.

40:59Okay, so there's agreement that the

41:00staff will add a couple of sentences

41:02about the reports that we did not get

41:03regarding pretext stops. Not No, no, no.

41:06Pursuits.

41:08Uh

41:09Yeah, go ahead.

41:12>> I'm thinking No, you know what I mean? I

41:14just wanted to clarify.

41:15>> I would um

41:16Commissioner Flores, um

41:20Could you explain what data you're

41:22referring to that the commission

41:24requested from the department to be able

41:26to provide? I'm just getting

41:29trying to understand what you're

41:29referring to. Policy recommendations

41:31that the commission issued or this is

41:33something different.

41:38>> So when we presented this to you

41:41last last year

41:42I think it was 2 years ago it was

41:44it was last year. No, sorry. Um

41:47yeah, 2024. Yeah.

41:49Yeah, so it's a lot of quarters that

41:50passed by since then. But

41:52during that we learned that that's the

41:54only way to boost everybody's the

41:56traffic pursuits.

41:57Um and that included data on the dollars

42:00and how these uh pursuits are happening,

42:03when

42:04um I believe it's

42:06when pursuits are called off and then

42:08you know they have to have an outcome or

42:09not.

42:11I think there's

42:13a property damage involved in these

42:14pushing series. There's quite a bit of

42:15information and they have a whole

42:16database for the first time ever. Um, we

42:18learned this

42:19as we were doing the policy uh committee

42:22work uh going through the uh the actual

42:25paperwork they gave us.

42:27Um,

42:27they we have to hire our paralegals

42:31uh from our general counsel because we

42:33just couldn't I mean, our commission our

42:35staff could not do that. They could not

42:36pass through this paperwork, go through

42:38the data, take out the data, and prepare

42:40presentations for the commission. We

42:43learned that this database was created

42:45because they learned how mismanaged

42:46their data was.

42:48And they didn't know exactly who those

42:50people were, but we know that it exists.

42:52You know, they have an operation center

42:54operation center. We know that they have

42:55staff that runs that operation center

42:58and collects this data and it may be

43:00even more than we realize.

43:02Um, I think we should know this data

43:04that these officers when they're

43:05exceeding the speed limit, if they don't

43:07have their sirens on, if we are you

43:10know, having accidents on the boardwalk.

43:12Um, like in Pacific Beach recently, uh

43:15we should understand what led to that.

43:18We should There's so much more

43:19information that we as the public

43:20should, you know,

43:22um

43:23They did not tell us what data they are

43:25collecting, but they did tell us they

43:26were collecting the data and they didn't

43:28know what data it is.

43:30So, I think we could ask

43:31and we can definitely

43:34get what we can, um hopefully all of it,

43:37and then we can make a determination on

43:39what and how we should do that, you

43:41know.

43:52>> Um,

43:53so we're clear on what we're talking

43:54about. Basically, it's to add a few

43:55sentences to approximately page 26 to

43:58make reference to the fact that

44:00um the department agreed, we can find

44:04the date of when that was.

44:06Um,

44:06when

44:07January 17th

44:092025 uh to provide us data to build a

44:13system so that they could track and they

44:14would provide us the data with regard to

44:17police pursuits and we had yet to

44:18receive

44:19that that information. That's we're not

44:22talking about actually reporting the

44:23data cuz we didn't receive the data and

44:25this is a backward-looking report. We're

44:28making notes in the report that we did

44:30not receive the data.

44:33Okay, thank you.

44:34Okay, with that, are there any other

44:35questions, comments, changes?

44:39Okay, all in favor of accepting the

44:41report with the amendments as noted.

44:5482 minutes.

44:57Okay, thank you. Let's move on to our

44:59next agenda item and that Yes,

45:03oh we need public comments on that.

45:06Thank you for the moment.

45:11>> We have no in-person

45:13public participants who wish to speak.

45:15We have online participants who would

45:17like to speak. I'm going to start with

45:19Darwin Fishman. Please unmute.

45:25And if you'd like to speak during this

45:27item, please raise your hand now using

45:29the recent feature on Microsoft Teams.

45:33Darwin, please go ahead and unmute.

45:42>> Can you hear me?

45:43>> Yes, please proceed for three minutes.

45:46Yes.

45:47>> Okay.

45:51Darwin Fishman, he him his, Racial

45:52Justice Coalition of San Diego. And I

45:54just I'm driving, I'm sorry I couldn't

45:56hear everything, but I just want to

45:58chime in putting on my hat as a former

46:00old CRB member. I was really shocked on

46:03what I did hear

46:05in charge of uh the the data and

46:09statistics for your cases

46:11um specifically what what you just

46:14shared

46:15um

46:16I know that you're still going through

46:18being confirmed and that you you're

46:19still not

46:21uh as uh maybe still not fully

46:23implemented. But I think you need to

46:25also Well, let me put it this way. I I

46:28would highly recommend that you look at

46:29this report and that you do a public

46:32part of looking at past reports.

46:35When we were had our semi-annual and our

46:37annual reports, one of the things that

46:39came up is not just the the cases, how

46:42many, but also what you're looking at in

46:44terms of IA and and your

46:47your review of it. And

46:50one of the things that we came up with,

46:52which is uh I'll put it this way, which

46:54is really troubling from this uh

46:56where you guys are at,

46:58is we had an agreement with IA about

47:01double filing. Anytime anything was

47:03filed with IA, we got it. Anything

47:06Anytime anyone filed a complaint with

47:08us,

47:09we shared it with IA. And I'm not sure

47:13why this is such a stumbling block um

47:16and I understand it's going to go

47:18through uh legal matter now. Um what I

47:22would suggest that you guys take a stand

47:24on this based on this report and how it

47:28limits and hurts your work. Uh put

47:31simply, if you have significantly lost

47:34the amount of cases that CRB and CPP

47:37have traditionally looked at, it really

47:39does erode community trust because it it

47:42it begs the question of has the police

47:45substantially improved or you not doing

47:48your job of actually getting complaints

47:50and properly reviewing them and offering

47:53a a credible check, community check for

47:57reviewing these these cases Um and

48:00playing a role in them and how the

48:02police department

48:03operates.

48:05And I I really think that that you need

48:07to have some kind of public

48:08statement about that and or also go to

48:11the city council and share that.

48:13Otherwise, again, it's going to really

48:15erode the trust and really limit even

48:18when you get through meet and confer

48:19what you're going to be able to do with

48:20the community because there'll be so

48:22much damage at that point. So, I did

48:24want to put that out there and I think

48:26that you you need to do more public

48:28events explaining this and making it

48:30clear, not just again that this is your

48:33report and your data, but what's the

48:34implication

48:38and have those conversations, those

48:40really difficult conversations with the

48:41community so that you're bringing us

48:43along and not going to get some kind of

48:45reaction like, "Oh, are you guys

48:46covering this up and trying to hide

48:48what's really going on?" Thank you.

48:51>> Thank you, Dorian.

48:52This concludes public comment on this

48:54time. Thank you, chair.

49:00Uh okay.

49:01Um I think we're going to move on to our

49:02next agenda item, which is the uh

49:05quarterly report from Ms. Obed regarding

49:08community engagement and internship

49:10program.

49:12>> Thank you, chair. Good evening,

49:14commissioners, staff, and members of the

49:15public. The following report summarizes

49:17the Office of the Commissioner of Police

49:19Practices Community Engagement

49:21Internship Program efforts from July 1st

49:23through September 30th, 2026.

49:27Since the beginning of the year, the

49:28commission has attended a total of 21

49:32community events, given 10

49:33presentations, made one announcement,

49:36and hosted three community resource

49:38booths.

49:39During this quarter, the OCPD attended

49:41three community events and meetings

49:43hosted by Mid-City CAN, the

49:45The Trust

49:47San Diego Coalition, and the Partnership

49:49for the Advancement of New Americans,

49:51and the Coalition for Police

49:52Accountability transparency. And the

49:54last one was the one we gave a

49:56presentation about the CPP and the

49:58recommendations we just submitted

50:01regarding That should say

50:03pre-text stops. Apologies.

50:07The OCPP finalized its contract with

50:11J Street and company for the development

50:13of the communications and digital media

50:15strategy plan to guide the office's

50:18communications over the next 3 years.

50:20The consultant has completed the

50:22deliverable and the community engagement

50:24director is working with the executive

50:26director Roger Smith to implement the

50:28strategy among staff and within the

50:30office.

50:31Over the summer, the OCPP interviewed 13

50:34internship candidates and selected six

50:37interns in total. One joined through the

50:40office's partnership with San Diego

50:42State University and five five joined

50:45through the office's collaboration with

50:47the City of San Diego's Human Resources

50:49Department and its Future City Civic

50:52Summer Internship Program.

50:54Three interns completed their

50:55internships with the office and three

50:57are continuing to work with us today.

51:01The internship program focuses on

51:03community outreach to college campuses

51:05and high schools with an emphasis on

51:08young adults. The interns completed

51:12a directory of more than 600 contacts

51:15across the

51:17across the University of San Diego, the

51:20University of California San Diego, San

51:22Diego State University, San Diego City

51:25College, and Mission Bay High School.

51:27These contacts include faculty, staff,

51:30student organizations, and campus

51:31resource centers.

51:33The interns then created outreach

51:35materials, sent initial emails to every

51:38contact, followed up with the majority

51:40of contacts.

51:42The three continuing interns are

51:44carrying this outreach forward and

51:46scheduling presentations to introduce

51:48the CPP, share commissioner and

51:50internship opportunities, and encourage

51:53meeting attendance and public

51:55participation. And I just want to give a

51:57quick shout-out to two of our interns

51:59tonight who are supporting at the

52:01check-in table. We have Giselle, say hi,

52:04and we have Sumaya, hello. Thank you

52:07both. Finally, as a reminder, if you

52:10have formally attended a community event

52:12on behalf of the commission, please let

52:14me know to make sure that we document it

52:16in the community engagement log. Thank

52:18you all for your continued support. I'm

52:19happy to take any questions.

52:26>> that

52:27uh you will be asked

52:31uh to uh participate in community

52:33outreach events to uh speak on behalf uh

52:37of the commission, not as a

52:38spokesperson, but to talk a little bit

52:40about the work uh talk about a little

52:42bit about what it's like to volunteer

52:43for the commission and help inform uh

52:46the larger San Diego community about um

52:49uh the work that we do. And um I'm sure

52:52that those requests will come through

52:53Ms. Obed at the appropriate time. So,

52:56thank you so much for that.

52:59And uh

53:00let's see. Now, uh future regular

53:03business agenda item requests.

53:06>> [snorts]

53:07>> Commissioner Bowman.

53:11>> I I have two requests that um

53:15that spurred by that annual report. I

53:18was thinking it might be a good idea to

53:21uh have an agenda item that looks at the

53:23impact of our one meeting per month

53:26schedule on our case review process and

53:28how that is working together or what

53:30things might need to happen. That's

53:32number one. And then the number two

53:34agenda item would be looking at um

53:37how the statute of limitations is

53:40related to our ability to vote on

53:42discipline and if we're going to be

53:44handling that

53:45consistently or if we can vote more

53:48often than we really are. So, those are

53:49two things I'd like to look at and have

53:51on future agenda. Thank you.

53:59Anything else?

54:01>> Commissioner Flores.

54:06I know about something before but I

54:08would like I appreciate the civilian

54:10oversight on the next

54:13on the next meeting agenda and simply

54:15discussion on community involvement in

54:17reviewing these meetings with assistant

54:18and technology including the automated

54:20drones, facial cameras as police

54:23practices. I mean there should be

54:24distinct on the policy advisory board

54:26for 12 or that position because

54:28to me, frankly, I don't think that we

54:31should be learning about this stuff now.

54:33We should have known about it.

54:34And we should know exactly what this

54:35stuff is. We should know everything

54:37about it and how the tracking

54:40the data about that. And

54:42it's something that's we really are

54:44doing enough on and so we should be

54:47talking about this as a full commission

54:49and

54:50whether we come up with a strategy,

54:53a new committee, or some type of report

54:56or memo to send to the SDPD.

54:59That should be a discussion

55:01for all of us.

55:16>> I'd like to accept

55:18what

55:19others have said and add that

55:24this technology is far greater than I

55:26think

55:29the public or this body is aware of. Not

55:33only

55:34we have law,

55:36we have the body worn camera people

55:39who are probably more sophisticated

55:42and more integrated

55:44into what

55:46the

55:47what type of surveillance of the public

55:50goes on with the public not realize.

55:54And

55:55uh

55:56my understanding is that

56:01you with [clears throat] the body-worn

56:02camera

56:03not only can

56:05uh

56:06company

56:09a hard drive file

56:11not only is the license plate, but a

56:13physical description of the car and

56:17information on all the passengers in the

56:19car is picked up

56:22by their

56:23the [clears throat]

56:24admission through their watches from

56:26[snorts] their phones, etc. So, now you

56:29have the linkage of passengers and cars

56:32along with the driver and the vehicle.

56:35The plate number, description of the

56:38vehicle

56:39and uh

56:41where that can go is simply worded uses

56:45of

56:46by the police or personal reasons in

56:49tracking

56:50spouses, etc.

56:53But, the Constitution of the United

56:55States

56:57is really being attacked by the

57:05invasion of so many privacy rights. So,

57:09I would I would like to see that and you

57:11know, I would do whatever I can to

57:13support

57:18>> Well, question and suggestion.

57:22Uh

57:23on the items for future business agenda

57:26items

57:28uh very similar to what was mentioned

57:29earlier

57:31I struggled to understand what the UAS

57:34proposal proposal and the

57:36DFRS proposal for the new technology

57:38that's going to be discussed tomorrow at

57:40the um

57:42at the

57:43privacy advisory board meeting, correct?

57:45So,

57:47I'm going to take a step back. A lot of

57:48that information

57:51becomes public when

57:54department does their

57:57outreach

57:58uh communication forums related like

58:02presentation related to some of the

58:03technology that they're planning to use

58:05within their department, right? So, just

58:08to be part of that information that's

58:10supposed to be already public,

58:12it's not recorded and it's not available

58:15to the public. I'm myself included,

58:17right? So, to be able to understand some

58:19of those technologies that already

58:20exist, we have to jump through a lot of

58:22hoops to be able to understand what they

58:24are. And we're talking about some of

58:26some of the items that are going to be

58:27proposed tomorrow, but I'm also talking

58:29about some of the some of the technology

58:30that have been used for the past several

58:32years. So, I think it would be useful to

58:35have

58:36uh additional

58:38uh agenda items in the in the future in

58:41the upcoming months uh regarding some of

58:44the forums and how SDPD communicates the

58:48use of their technology and how that

58:50information is accessible to the public.

58:52And also some of the additional

58:54trainings that they're getting with that

58:56technology cuz a lot of the technology

58:58is also new to officers. So,

59:01uh let alone the public, right? So, it's

59:03it'll be good to add it as a like a two

59:06separate items. One what training

59:07they're getting and two how that

59:11>> [snorts]

59:11>> outreach forums, how that is being

59:13recorded and available to the public.

59:25>> Um all right. Hi. I know you

59:28commissioner here.

59:30but I was wondering if there could be an

59:32addition of an agenda item

59:34related to the drones as a first

59:36responder

59:38proposal, if I'm I'm not right if I'm

59:41not wrong. But as the CPD primarily

59:43because

59:45some of the other implementations of the

59:47drone as a first responder program,

59:49they've included like the delivery of

59:50payload and different kinds of material,

59:53but also like police information.

59:57Some of these DFR programs have also

59:59been automated, which means that once

1:00:01they receive a 911 call there's an

1:00:03automatic dispatch. I'm wondering if

1:00:06there could be a discussion surrounding

1:00:07whether this is a part of policing

1:00:09practices that

1:00:11might need to be kind of

1:00:13understood by this commission mainly

1:00:16because

1:00:17it seems like the automation of police

1:00:19dispatch or the provision of different

1:00:21kinds of material might be something

1:00:24that our police

1:00:26policing related

1:00:27and not just surveillance.

1:00:35>> In addition to the matters that have

1:00:37been raised by the commissioners, I have

1:00:39one matter that I would also propose for

1:00:41possible

1:00:43future commissioner consideration.

1:00:45In the audience today is one of your

1:00:47colleagues, Rashida Amie.

1:00:50Rashida was appointed on July 13th along

1:00:54with

1:00:55several of our other new commissioners.

1:00:58On July 13th, along with several other

1:01:02new commissioners, she went to

1:01:05provide her fingerprints for a

1:01:07background investigation.

1:01:09Many of her colleagues

1:01:11had their background investigations

1:01:12cleared within weeks.

1:01:14Come this Tuesday, it will be 3 months

1:01:18and Rashida Amie is still waiting for

1:01:20the outcome of her background

1:01:22investigation.

1:01:24That inhibit her ability to make

1:01:27the contributions that you've all

1:01:29already begun to make to the commission.

1:01:32We're looking forward to that from her

1:01:35and from other similarly situated

1:01:38commissioners.

1:01:39So, the item that could potentially be

1:01:42for your consideration

1:01:44is whether if this situation persists

1:01:48for another month,

1:01:49if we have another meeting

1:01:52where Ms. Hamid has still not gotten the

1:01:55result of her background investigation,

1:01:58but if this commission would consider

1:02:00making some kind of an official

1:02:02communication

1:02:04to the city clerk's office and to those

1:02:07who are ultimately responsible for

1:02:10forwarding this background

1:02:11investigation. You understand that

1:02:13there's a component of it that is

1:02:15handled here, but there is also a

1:02:17component of it handled elsewhere.

1:02:19But, at this point, the process itself

1:02:22plays out as a bit of a mystery,

1:02:25not just to us, but to everybody who

1:02:28goes through this process.

1:02:30And it may be time for some official

1:02:32inquiries if we continue to have our

1:02:35ready and willing

1:02:37commission members inhibited in their

1:02:40participation by this.

1:02:48>> I am.

1:02:48>> [clears throat]

1:02:49>> Mr. Harris.

1:02:51>> I would like to ask a question.

1:02:53>> You can speak up. We got it.

1:02:55>> All right.

1:02:56I I just have a question regarding that.

1:02:58I

1:03:00just wondering why we waiting all that.

1:03:03It's been months. So, why are we feeling

1:03:06another month?

1:03:07Why don't we Why don't we create

1:03:09something now? And then even if we even

1:03:12if we wait until that month arises,

1:03:15let's not let's create it. If we need

1:03:17it, we use it. If we don't, we don't.

1:03:19But why wait a month and then take the

1:03:22time to

1:03:24respond?

1:03:25>> I think

1:03:26because if we're going to be writing a

1:03:28letter to the city, you need to see a

1:03:30draft of that letter, right? So we don't

1:03:32have that prepared yet.

1:03:37>> Then we'll be waiting 2 months.

1:03:40I mean, let's something

1:03:41>> Well,

1:03:42I have a suggestion and that is

1:03:45along these lines if Well, first of all,

1:03:47this isn't on the agenda. So we have a

1:03:49bit of a problem. We can't take a vote

1:03:51on that today.

1:03:52Even we can't take a vote. I think to do

1:03:54what I was going to suggest, which is to

1:03:55delegate this to the executive committee

1:03:58and have the executive committee send

1:03:59that letter. So because this isn't

1:04:01agendized, we can't do that today. So

1:04:05there's your answer. I apologize. You

1:04:06can blame the Ralph M. Brown Act for

1:04:08that.

1:04:10But I hear you. So we will make sure

1:04:11that we bring that

1:04:13bring that back. Commissioner Flores.

1:04:28>> Thank you. Roger, to ask that because 3

1:04:30months is ridiculous. Sorry to have to

1:04:32say that one.

1:04:34But

1:04:36my concern is also like it seems like

1:04:38the people of color have had the longest

1:04:40time to wait and it's not kind of

1:04:43frustrating.

1:04:44It's it's not okay and it's something

1:04:47that we should be call out. But when you

1:04:49look at who was approved first and how

1:04:52this has progressed over the last few

1:04:53months,

1:04:54we can't ignore the main fact that the

1:04:57people of color are the ones that you

1:04:59know, this took the longest for. Why

1:05:01that is, we don't know, but we should

1:05:02definitely call them out on everything.

1:05:11>> Okay, then.

1:05:13Uh I think we're done with uh

1:05:14commissioner suggestions for future

1:05:16agenda items, which I believe moves us

1:05:18uh we're going to be going to close

1:05:19session uh ladies and gentlemen, so uh

1:05:21we're going to finish with uh non-agenda

1:05:23public comment uh before we move into

1:05:25close session, which will be a long

1:05:27close session for uh this uh meeting.

1:05:30So, Ms. Obed, if you can get the

1:05:32microphone back.

1:05:37And do non-agenda public comment.

1:05:42>> Thank you, Chair. I have no in-person

1:05:44submissions for public comment at this

1:05:46time. If you are joining us virtually

1:05:48and would like to give a non-agenda

1:05:50public comment, please go ahead and

1:05:52raise your hand in the raise hand

1:05:54feature on Microsoft Teams.

1:06:02Again, if you're joining us virtually

1:06:04and would like to give a non-agenda

1:06:05public comment, please go ahead and

1:06:07raise your hand now.

1:06:11This concludes non-agenda public

1:06:13comment. Thank you, Chair.

1:06:15>> [snorts]

1:06:20>> Okay, the commission will be moving into

1:06:22uh close session to uh handle uh

1:06:25complaints.

1:06:27All right, the close session rules are

1:06:28under the Ralph Ralph M. Brown Act, and

1:06:31we will be reporting out at the end of

1:06:33close session. Thank you so much for

1:06:34being here and for your patience,

1:06:36commissioner. Don't go anywhere.

1:06:48>> Um okay, now you're good.

1:06:52>> We are now back in open session. The

1:06:54commission met in closed session on the

1:06:56items listed on tonight's agenda. There

1:06:58is no reportable action to announce at

1:07:00this time. Uh can I please have a motion

1:07:04to adjourn?

1:07:07>> We have a motion and a second to

1:07:08adjourn.

1:07:09All those in favor?

1:07:10>> agendas. You know, we have to ask for

1:07:12new agendas. Okay, we have a motion and

1:07:13a second to adjourn. All in favor?

1:07:16Uh unanimous. Thank you very much.

1:07:20Good evening for now.