2026-11-04 - Assembly Regular Meeting

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10:47>> Good

10:47>> evening. Everyone will get

10:48started in a couple more

10:49minutes.

15:35Ok, everyone, let's

15:36go ahead and call this meeting

15:37to order. Today is Wednesday,

15:41November 4th of this is the

15:42regular assembly meeting. Here

15:45in chambers here Wednesday

15:46instead of a Tuesday. So Madam

15:47Clerk, Lee, please call the

15:48roll. Member handle. president

16:00member Martinez present It is.

16:04>> We'll be here by 7 excuse

16:05at this point. I understand.

16:06Yes, member silvers. Remember

16:12president here chair probably

16:13hear Vice Chair of all happy

16:14to be here.

16:15>> Member Baldwin Day present

16:17member scout for from member

16:18McCormick, member park present

16:22Amber Johnson here and student

16:23Representative Ali. To

16:26probably have a quorum. Thank

16:31U next. I will ask, Mr. Dull

16:31to lead us in the pledge this

16:32evening.

16:57>> Vice Chair Bell and would

16:58you please read the land

16:58acknowledgement?

17:03>> A land acknowledgment is a

17:04formal statement recognizing

17:05the indigenous people of a

17:06place. It is a public gesture

17:09of appreciation for the past

17:10and present indigenous

17:12stewardship of the lands that

17:12we now occupy. It is an actual

17:17statement that marks our

17:18collective movement towards

17:18the colonization and equity.

17:19The Anchorage Assembly. would

17:22like to acknowledge that we

17:24gather today on the

17:24traditional lands of that

17:25tonight at the baskin's for

17:28thousands of years and that

17:29did have been continue to be

17:30the stewards of this land. It

17:33is with gratitude and respect

17:35that we recognize the

17:38contributions. Innovations and

17:38contemporary perspectives of

17:39the Upper Cook Inlet. Tonight.

17:43>> Next on her agenda, we have

17:44minutes of previous meetings.

17:47We do not have any of those

17:48this evening. So next we'll

17:49move on to the mayor support.

17:50Madam Mayor, please proceed.

17:53>> Thank you. Chair Bradley

17:54and good evening, everyone.

17:57Welcome students. I hope you

17:58all had a fun Halloween

17:59weekend. There were so many

18:01wonderful events going on in

18:02our community and I was

18:05fortunate to attend a few of

18:05them and see many familiar

18:06faces along the way yesterday,

18:09as we all know, was election

18:11Day as we wait for the final

18:13results. I want to thank

18:14everyone who participated in

18:15our civic process. also want

18:18to thank the election workers

18:19across the state, but

18:22especially those working early

18:22voting at City Hall. Your work

18:26made our elections safe,

18:28secure and accessible to so

18:31many Alaskans next Wednesday

18:33is Veterans Day. Anchorage is

18:34truly a military community and

18:38both are municipality in our

18:39state are home to thousands of

18:40active duty service members,

18:42veterans and military

18:43families. I am deeply grateful

18:47to all who have served and

18:48sacrificed for our nation and

18:50especially to those veterans

18:51who choose to make Anchorage

18:53their home. And we have a

18:55number of them who work here

18:55at the municipality. We are

18:59also excited to welcome more

19:00service members and their

19:01families next year as Joint

19:03Base Elmendorf-Richardson

19:03continues to grow. Thank you.

19:07Also to chair Braly and member

19:08Baldwin Day for organizing the

19:10Fiscal Future Summit and

19:13helping facility important

19:14community conversation about

19:16our budget in the long-term

19:18fiscal future of our

19:18municipality. This year, we

19:21face a 15 million dollar

19:23budget gap. We were able to

19:25close that gap through a

19:26combination of one-time

19:28funding targeted adjustments

19:31and by cutting positions that

19:31we could eliminate because we

19:34had rebuilt municipal

19:34services. However, big

19:37challenges remain ahead as we

19:40prepare for future budget

19:41discussions and consider

19:42potential cuts in the years to

19:44come. It is critical that

19:46residents understand the

19:47fiscal realities we face and

19:48have a meaningful voice in

19:51shaping the path forward.

19:54These conversations aren't

19:55always easy. But they're

19:58necessary. And they're the

19:59most their most productive.

20:01When we approached them

20:02together as a community.

20:05Tonight, we'll hear public

20:07testimony in the propose

20:08municipal budget for next

20:08year. We've heard public

20:12comments about the downtown

20:14foot patrol. And I would like

20:15to provide some clarification

20:16funding for the foot patrol

20:18does not appear as a separate

20:22line item in the proposed

20:22budget. It was not a line item

20:26in the 2026 budget. So if you

20:29look forward in the budget,

20:30you will not see it. The

20:34program was launched the

20:35spring to improve public

20:37safety downtown, enhance the

20:39experience for visitors and

20:40residents and strengthen

20:42relationships between our

20:44officers and the community.

20:47We've heard clearly that many

20:48people would like to see the

20:51program continue. And we share

20:53that enthusiasm this year. The

20:55patrol was supported with

20:56funding from the bed tax as a

20:58tourism improvement program

21:01and staffed by officers on a

21:02voluntary overtime detail. The

21:06absence of a specific line

21:07item in the budget should not

21:11be interpreted as a decision

21:12to end the program. It's my

21:16intent to continue the

21:18downtown foot patrols. And

21:20we're looking at other ways we

21:20can provide this service.

21:22Moving forward. However, we

21:24need to ensure the police

21:25department has adequate

21:27staffing. We also need to

21:29continue working with the

21:30assembly in our partners to

21:31increase staffing at APD in

21:34general and his strength and

21:35retention efforts. So the

21:36department can accommodate

21:38public safety needs like this

21:39across our neighborhoods.

21:41That's also why the

21:43conversation we'll have later

21:45tonight about public safety.

21:45Technology is so important.

21:48Technology is not a substitute

21:50for officers but it can help

21:51officers work more effectively

21:53improve safety for officers

21:54and the public and allow us to

21:57make the most of the resources

21:59we have. So I urge support of

22:01the best version of 2026.

22:02dash. 108, an approach that

22:06both enables modern policing

22:08tools and provide strong

22:10safeguards for privacy and

22:13accountability. Thank you. And

22:14I look forward to a productive

22:15evening tonight meeting this

22:16evening tonight. Thank you.

22:20Thank Lafrance. Next. We'll

22:25move on to the chair all and a

22:27few comments and some preview.

22:28First, how will be doing our

22:31business tonight?

22:31>> echoing follow up on

22:36elections. So a reminder to

22:38everyone, our biggest state in

22:39federal election was So you

22:40can take your phone off mute

22:41and stop blocking unknown

22:42callers I know is a little

22:45overwhelming this year and

22:46your mail boxes too anyway,

22:49but seriously state in federal

22:50elections, every 2 years are

22:51always a big deal because they

22:52determine who is in power for

22:52our country and our state. The

22:54cycle has certainly been no

22:56exception. But we know that

22:58there's still a ways to go. So

22:59there are still absentee

23:00ballots coming in several days

23:01before we have definitive

23:03results and the state Division

23:04of elections will tabulate

23:05ranked choice voting 2 weeks

23:06on Wednesday, November 18th

23:09and will certify the election

23:11per their information on the

23:12website on Monday, November

23:1423rd. So if want more

23:15information about that, check

23:16out the state Division of

23:18Elections website. But I know

23:19we all look forward to seeing

23:20those final results so we can

23:21move ahead into 2027 with new

23:23state leadership. Whatever

23:23that looks like and keep

23:25working on the municipality's

23:27legislative priorities with

23:28those folks at the state and

23:29federal level. about and also

23:33also thank you again to

23:34everybody voted and

23:36participated in this election.

23:36And echo the mayor's thanks to

23:37the election workers,

23:39especially those who are at

23:41City Hall for early voting.

23:42But across the state doing the

23:43hard work of keeping our

23:44elections secure. Next up last

23:46Friday, we what we held our a

23:49summit on the municipality's

23:51fiscal future. We had over 120

23:53attendees. It was a really

23:56informative and collaborative

23:56day. A lot of excited

23:58interested folks leaving even

23:59after talking about our budget

24:00for several hours. So I think

24:01that was a good sign. The

24:03mayor and department

24:04representatives provided

24:05background and how they are

24:05dealing with our fiscal

24:07challenges. And we had a broad

24:09swath of community members

24:09engaged an honest and

24:11thoughtful conversations not

24:11just with elected officials,

24:12but with each other. If you

24:13are unable to attend of the

24:17public surveys still up

24:18through this week through

24:18Friday, November 6th, if you'd

24:19like to prevent provide input,

24:22you can find that survey as

24:23well as materials and

24:24recordings from the summit in

24:25the news section of the

24:26Assembly's website, Muni Dot

24:27Org Slash Assembly. This event

24:30was an important milestone,

24:31but it's really just one step

24:32in a bigger process to make

24:33big decisions as a whole as a

24:35whole community about what we

24:36need and what we're willing to

24:38pay for. So stay tuned for

24:40more opportunities to engage

24:41over the winter and into 2027.

24:43And it's also if you want a

24:45fun interactive game to play

24:46with friends and family over

24:48the cozy holiday season, check

24:49out your Muni, your budget.

24:50There's a physical packet. You

24:51can pick up from the

24:54legislative services office at

24:55City Hall. If you want to

24:56print copy or you can download

24:58those materials online and we

24:59were able to provide a number

25:00of them to folks who

25:00participated on Friday.

25:04Speaking of the budget tonight

25:05is the second public hearing

25:05on the 2027 budget that's

25:07items through 14 H on the

25:10agenda. We will be

25:10prioritizing those items this

25:11evening after dinner, these

25:14public hearings offer the

25:14opportunity to comment on or

25:15off creating budget, which is

25:17funding for public services

25:18and programs, our capital

25:20budget, which is money to

25:21invest in infrastructure like

25:22streets, sidewalks and

25:23vehicles. Plus, also the

25:26operating and capital budgets

25:26for our enterprise agencies

25:28and utilities, things like the

25:31port, our solid waste services

25:32and our community development

25:33authority, a CDA. So thank you

25:36to everyone who has come here

25:36tonight to testify in the

25:38budget. And to those who've

25:40already testified or sent

25:40comments by e-mail as decision

25:43makers, we really value

25:43community input that we

25:44receive on the budget. We will

25:47also continue our budget

25:47public hearings to the

25:48November 17th meeting after

25:51which we will be closing the

25:51hearings that that meeting and

25:54debating amendments approving

25:56the Fy 27 budget. That is the

25:57schedule that we follow every

25:58year. Speaking of amendments,

26:01one more reminder to members,

26:01please get your budget

26:03amendments to our budget

26:03analysts as soon as possible.

26:06I know we're in the middle of

26:07a meeting tonight, but try to

26:08do it by tonight or tomorrow

26:08morning at the latest. These

26:11necessary for discussion at

26:13our November 6 Friday,

26:14November 6 work session.

26:16Remember that these amendments

26:17are discussion drafts and

26:19there's talk a little bit more

26:19time and there's always more

26:20work to refine them before we

26:22actually debate on the 17th.

26:24So if as much as you can get

26:26your uncle goals and ideas on

26:29paper and this will help you

26:29work through it and then we'll

26:30find how to get those things

26:33done. And then a reminder to

26:35the public are government

26:36budgets are complicated, but

26:37you don't need to be an expert

26:38to provide your input and

26:40priorities. The assembly has a

26:42lot of information and

26:42resources to help guide you

26:43through the process. They can

26:45be found on our budget and

26:46taxes page, which you can find

26:47at Muni Dot Org, slash

26:49assembly. And speaking of our

26:51website, one very brief note

26:51on the website we launched a

26:55redesign of the meeting

26:56website arm last Thursday,

26:57October 29th. It's intended to

26:59be simpler. Easier to use on

27:00multiple devices and help

27:02point people quickly to where

27:02they want to go. But as with

27:05any change, we're still

27:05ironing out some wrinkles as

27:07pages transition search

27:09indexes are getting updated

27:10with new links and there's

27:12bugs to fix. So please be

27:13patient. If you have been

27:13trying to find something or

27:14have run into those, the for

27:16for not found pages. Please be

27:20patient and also note, if you

27:20are having issues or you have

27:22feedback, you can scroll to

27:23the bottom of the home page,

27:27other Muni debt or com page

27:28and click the submit website,

27:29feedback and or contact us.

27:29And then that's a place. If

27:32you need to flag something

27:33that's missing or just have

27:33suggestions for how to make it

27:35better. So keep looking for

27:37improvements. There. So

27:39turning then to tonight's

27:40agenda, as you can see, we

27:40have another packed agenda

27:42tonight and I anticipate we'll

27:44have similarly busy agendas

27:45for the 4 remaining regular

27:46meetings this year through

27:46December. 15th as you'll hear

27:50shortly, I am changing the

27:51public hearing dates on a few

27:52that are being introduced to

27:55spread out the workload and

27:56then also to provide some more

27:58certainty on when we can get

27:59to those items so that we

28:00don't have to keep postponing

28:00things that are published and

28:03then we don't get part of the

28:04goal. So leadership will also

28:07this evening ask members to

28:07change the order of the day.

28:08We'll speak to that a bit

28:09later. But at a very high

28:11level, we will be pro

28:13proposing to prioritize our

28:15budget. Public hearings. So

28:15those would be first after the

28:16consent agenda and dinner

28:18break and then others, a few

28:19other things that are either

28:21time sensitive or are things

28:22that we understand this, a

28:23sponsor's intent to postpone

28:24civil. I get those out of the

28:27way. First. Then we do

28:29anticipate continuing,

28:30hopefully finishing amendments

28:31and debate on twenty-twenty 60

28:32surveillance technology

28:34ordinance. And then I also

28:36understand that the sponsors

28:39of 2026 85 Emhoff or the

28:40missing middle housing

28:42opportunity overlay an tend to

28:44intend to postpone debate on

28:46that ordinance to a special

28:47meeting which has been

28:48scheduled for Friday, November

28:4913th noon to 03:00PM, which

28:52will also be held here in

28:53Assembly chambers in Midtown

28:55here. So we may send a couple

28:58small items to that special

28:59meeting as well, depending on

29:00the timing for tonight. But

29:03the main item for that meeting

29:04will be debating on 2026. 85

29:08also note some other items are

29:08likely to be postponed to

29:09future meetings, depending on

29:10how far we get and how members

29:11are looking at them. So that

29:14would either be to our

29:16December site, November 17th

29:17or December first meeting or

29:17possibly further out. So with

29:21all of that, do my best to

29:22move us through tonight,

29:24agenda so that we can conclude

29:24at the most reasonable hour

29:25possible. So just a few

29:27reminders, again, this is a

29:28business meeting were here to

29:29do the work of the

29:30municipality. Please help

29:31click, create a climate of

29:31respect in the chambers.

29:33Please refrain from personal

29:35attacks. Speaking out of turn,

29:35shouting, clapping and pacing.

29:38Please keep any signs. Day and

29:38a half and 11 inches. ice.

29:41Please keep the aisles clear.

29:42Except if you're lined up to

29:43testify, please don't approach

29:45the Dyess directly. But if you

29:47have something you'd like to

29:47share with members, you can

29:49hand it to the clerk at the

29:49lower diocese for

29:51distribution. And then I'll So

29:53if someone calls a point of

29:55order, whether during

29:55testimony or during debate,

29:58please, everyone stop speaking

29:58so that I may rule on the

30:00point of order. So our record

30:02is clear and if a rules are

30:04not followed, I may interrupt

30:05speakers to call for

30:06compliance if compliance with

30:06the rules doesn't occur. That

30:09I may pause the meeting. If

30:10there's an actual disruption,

30:11I will give a warning. And if

30:13they're disruption persists or

30:13happens again, the person will

30:14be asked to leave and then

30:16I'll give our usual reminders

30:17about public testimony later.

30:19So I believe that concludes

30:21the chair report. So next, we

30:24will move on to committee and

30:25liaison report. Start this

30:26evening with Mr. Johnson. No

30:28reporter. Next. park.

30:33legislative committee will

30:35meet Friday at 01:00PM at one.

30:3855 to 70. Mr. Mccormick,

30:44nothing report. Thank you.

30:51Nothing to report. Thanks

30:56Thank you, chair. I'd like to

30:57add my gratitude to yours for

30:59all the folks who came out to

31:00the fiscal future summit last

31:02Friday, but especially to the

31:03legislative services staff and

31:06the folks who showed up to

31:07make that event a success. So

31:09thank you to those who

31:10participated too. Those who

31:11help behind the scenes to make

31:13it happen and also to those of

31:17you who will continue to

31:17participate in our budget

31:18conversations both this year

31:19and going forward. The audit

31:22committee met on Wednesday,

31:23October, the 21st. We heard a

31:24report from the Anchorage

31:26Health Department on the

31:28administration of the

31:28Community Development Block

31:29Grant, which is federal

31:30funding that we receive an

31:31annual basis. The health

31:33Department folks absolutely

31:34get the award for the most

31:35Comprehensive Audit Progress

31:36report to date. So thank you

31:39to the health Department for

31:39their work and for the

31:40progress they're making on the

31:43items that were identified as

31:44places for improvement in our

31:45audit, which is, of course,

31:47the goal of the audit

31:47committee is to surface the

31:48ways that we can be more

31:49efficient and more effective

31:50in our administration of local

31:53government. Finally, the

31:54housing community and Economic

31:55Development Committee meets

31:56tomorrow morning at 09:00AM.

31:58>> That meeting will happen at

32:00the permit center over off of

32:01Elmore. We have a variety of

32:04interesting new business that

32:04is on our agenda. We have a

32:07presentation from I believe

32:10Kikkan Randall on the

32:12cross-country skiing,

32:13cross-country skiing efforts

32:14here locally and how that is

32:14impacting our economy. A

32:19couple of ordinance says that

32:20pertain to changes and zoning

32:22and the mixed use tax

32:24incentive proposal that was

32:26brought forward and then

32:27postponed action. Postpone

32:29will be on the agenda as well

32:29for some additional

32:32conversation. Also, 3rd party

32:33plan review reporting will be

32:34back on the agenda. So if you

32:37are interested in any of those

32:38things, please join us

32:38tomorrow morning at Thank you.

32:41Thanks. Next. Face trouble and

32:45>> thank you. Madam Chair, the

32:46Budget and Finance Committee

32:47scheduled for November 19th.

32:50That meeting has been

32:50canceled. However, as the

32:53chair referenced in her

32:54report. on Friday, November

33:0006:00AM to 10:00AM. We will be

33:01having our customer work

33:02session on proposed assembly

33:03member amendments to the

33:04budget. And then we will take

33:08the budget up at our regular

33:08meeting on November. 17th.

33:09Thank you. Madam Chair.

33:13>> Thank you. a real brief it

33:14back to a scout for another

33:16committee report. Thank

33:18>> The energy Enterprise and

33:22Utilities Oversight Committee

33:23of the whole meats.

33:27>> Thursday, November, 12th at

33:2810:00AM at City Hall

33:29conference from one. 55. And

33:31we will be getting some

33:35updates on include projects.

33:38So both the ordinance we

33:41passed a resolution that we

33:41passed. Last meeting and then

33:45also hearing updates about the

33:48public meetings and

33:48stakeholder meeting. We've had

33:50this past also hoping to get

33:54updates about the storm, water

33:56utility and also hoping to

33:59start talking with my

34:00colleagues about how we can

34:00work together with utilities.

34:04The state legislature and

34:05across the municipality on

34:07planning for energy resilience

34:09as we face an energy cliff and

34:11southcentral Alaska and across

34:14the state. hope that all those

34:15thank you. Thanks and express

34:18surprise for you.

34:19>> Thank you, chair. No

34:20updates night. Silvers. Thank

34:24you know, updates tonight.

34:27Martinez, thank you. Chair.

34:31>> Just a couple of additional

34:32items to tomorrow's. Housing

34:34and community Economic

34:36Development Committee. It's

34:38also available online. So it's

34:4009:00AM, but you don't have to

34:41be there in person to

34:41participate and to observe the

34:42meeting. At our New Assembly,

34:45our new municipality website,

34:46you can find the links.

34:49Additionally just to make the

34:50connections. The committee

34:54often does business across

34:56time. And so Kikkan Randall is

34:57not a random presentation. It

34:59is part of the discussion that

35:00we've had around year-round

35:03tourism, winter tourism. And

35:08this year, particularly

35:09articles to the ski

35:10association is going to have

35:11some tremendously important

35:14national level activities here

35:15in our community. For Ron de

35:19came to our last meeting or 2

35:20meetings ago. And gave a

35:23presentation on the importance

35:24of for on these economic

35:26activities as well. And so

35:28we're trying to connect some

35:28of these threads 2 to our

35:32place in terms of tourism and

35:332 other opportunities for

35:35economic activity year-round.

35:36And then that subsequently

35:38means making sure we have a

35:40city that functions

35:41year-round. So snow removal,

35:42then becomes more important to

35:43keep economic activity alive

35:45as well. So just wanted to

35:45thread that needle. And

35:47additionally chaired the.

35:51National Association of

35:53Community Organizations,

35:54County Organizations, rather

35:57met. our recent discussion at

35:59the community and economic

36:00Workforce Development

36:01Committee. We're discussing

36:04that the 120 of Congress is

36:06beginning to develop a second

36:09wrote a housing bill and

36:11considering the potential

36:14changes in DC leadership. This

36:16is an exciting opportunity get

36:18all hands on deck around

36:22advancing more housing

36:22initiatives with the

36:23legislative package. Thank

36:24you, chair. Thank U next. Mr.

36:27Hanlon nothing to report.

36:30Okay. That concludes our

36:32>> committee and liaison

36:35reports. So next, we'll turn

36:36to our to the agenda. Before

36:37we do that. I will read some

36:38late in the late on the table

36:40items into the record.

36:42Currently, we have only

36:43supplemental items. go ahead,

36:44read those and no further

36:45action will be needed at this

36:47time. The first one is going

36:51to be and a numbered am 2026

36:53administration and municipal

36:54clerks answers to some of the

36:55questions that's item

36:56four-under informational

36:57reports and the rest of these

37:00are supplemental to public

37:01hearing items. So the first

37:03one is of too. So it's a

37:05number I am 2026 supplemental

37:09for 2026. 1.23, our operating

37:13budget is informational

37:15response our 2026 to 11 fte

37:17information for non recruited

37:18positions that have been

37:19vacant for 12 consecutive

37:20months away. General

37:22government. The next one is

37:24for item 14 J 3. So that is

37:282026 1.29 In ordinance of the

37:28anchors Municipal Assembly,

37:30Amending Code Section. 28 that

37:3330 dot 0, 3, 0, to require

37:34candidates for municipal

37:36public office submit a

37:36nominating petition with their

37:37declaration of candidacy. That

37:39is a numbered. Am 2026. And

37:42then for 14 K there are 2

37:43items. Both of them are a

37:45number dams. The first one is

37:48encourage school board letter

37:48opposing 2026 101. 3, 0,

37:54regarding an ordinance of the

37:55Anchorage Assembly submitting

37:56to qualify voters of the

37:57municipality Anchorage. A

37:58Proposition amending the

37:59charter to provide for the

38:00election of school board

38:00members by district and then

38:03the second item for that same

38:05ordinance is is information

38:09memorandum a numbered for the

38:10same item? From myself. So

38:15that concludes says laid on

38:16the table items again, no

38:17further action is needed. If

38:19anything else shows that we

38:19will deal with it at that

38:22time. So with that, those

38:24items incorporated, then I

38:24will ask for a motion to

38:26incorporate the addendum to

38:26the agenda and laid on the

38:27table items motion to second.

38:33Motion by Miss Park to

38:34incorporate the addendum and

38:35laid on the table item second

38:36by Mr. any further discussion

38:36on this item. Any objections

38:40to incorporating the okay.

38:44Seeing hearing none. Then we

38:46will consider that

38:48incorporated. And then of

38:49course, we will get shortly to

38:50our consent agenda items when

38:52we can pull individual items,

38:53including those that were just

38:54at least the one that was

38:56included on the lead on the

38:58table items. So next item we

39:00will move on to our appearance

39:02requests. We have 3 of them

39:03this evening. So first, I will

39:04invite up. I'll do them again

39:06in order on the page. So

39:08first, I'm going to invite Mr.

39:09Jim Record in the Alaska speed

39:11say Skating Club. So anyone

39:11who's here for that, please

39:12come forward.

39:30Okay. And then

39:30if you want turn on the

39:31microphone, their stay, your

39:32name. And you have 3 minutes.

39:33Go ahead. Thank you. Thank you

39:38for this opportunity. My name

39:38Jim Record. I'm with the group

39:40encourage skates with me this

39:42evening is Peter Heisler and

39:43Chuck Gilbert with the Alaska

39:45Speedskating club.

39:46>> We wanted to bring some of

39:47the skaters here this evening,

39:48but they have practiced

39:48evening to the cannot join I

39:51actually like you to indulge

39:52me just for a second here. I

39:55want to put on another

39:56happened when a pro, my

39:57friends in a key It happened.

39:59Thank all EU assembly members

40:00and the mayor who are able to

40:02do it. Nike site Summit tour

40:04this summer and I hope we can

40:05get the rest of you up there

40:06next summer. just thank you.

40:11So this is our annual

40:12presentation to the they are

40:15in the assembly for ICE.

40:16Peanuts at the Cuddy family

40:18Midtown Park skating oval. We

40:21have here. This is the 16th

40:21year. We've done this and we

40:23have a check for the mayor and

40:25Parks and Rec Department for

40:27$10,000.

40:32>> If the mayor and Shannon

40:33Gamble park director here.

40:46could your photo op your own?

40:47We also have our annual ice

40:49bins. So I think we have mean

40:55we may be short a short of

40:57you. We have some distance.

40:59Yes, yeah. We sell these pins

41:02tfor to raise the money to

41:03help maintain the U.S. Issue

41:07in.

41:07>> And also just maybe if you

41:10want to include your remarks

41:10and then we photos afterwards

41:12because that your time is

41:12running. So I want to make

41:13sure that you if there's

41:14anything else you'd like to

41:14share.

41:22>> And that's please come to

41:26the Solstice Party in over a

41:27November. I'm sorry. December

41:2918th that Park's and Rec is

41:29putting on. That's of great

41:32events. And we're also really

41:35excited a master plan will be

41:37getting under way for the park

41:39here soon. We're going to

41:40continue to work on building a

41:41chalet for the park.

41:45>> Thank you. And for you walk

41:46away. We have one member in

41:47the queue, Mr. Martinez. I

41:48wanted to say thank you, but I

41:52wanted to confirm just so for

41:53the record shut, that's not a

41:54speed skating injury that

41:55year. I don't think think.

42:01Thank you all for being Thank

42:03you for the gift to

42:04municipality and for the

42:05continued. Life that you bring

42:07to our community. Thank you.

42:11Thank you very much. Okay. And

42:16I'll just note effort public's

42:20interest. Only certain

42:20individuals can actually

42:21accept funds on behalf of the

42:22municipality. So that's why we

42:24offer.

42:25>> The mayor or the CFO or

42:26there's a couple other folks

42:27who can touch those checks

42:28with Everybody can do that. So

42:31just for isn't Because we get

42:31those once in a while. Next.

42:34We'll move on to our second

42:37appearance request. So I would

42:38vote. Invite Sharon Jackson,

42:39please come forward. And as

42:46you're coming up we do. I did

42:48receive materials and then the

42:50microphone is already on. So

42:50state your part of town.

42:51You'll have 3 minutes. Hi, I'm

42:53sure on Jackson.

42:55>> Also known as MI to time 4.

43:00The old Fat Black lady. Be

43:05willfully blind. Covering

43:05one's eyes tracks. It doesn't

43:06work. There's no poor people.

43:11There's no drug problem in

43:14Anchorage. There's no

43:15homeless. See, it doesn't

43:15work. People are being gang

43:18stocked in Anchorage. And what

43:22doesn't on us law abiding

43:23citizen have to do. We heard

43:25well being educated should

43:27help check. Gathering

43:30witnesses. Including mental

43:34health experts. Gathering

43:37boxes of evidence. Check and

43:40then going to the authorities.

43:45Oh, wait 18 times for her

43:48story awful and scary. Let's

43:52be willfully blind. And it's

43:52miss her claims. Let's call it

43:56crazy. We'll have. That makes

43:57me feel more comfortable. a

44:00good person. Really? I am.

44:02Yes. Feel good. But the system

44:05doesn't work. Facts are facts.

44:10They do change because it's

44:13uncomfortable. Inconvenient or

44:14a scary. Sometimes it takes

44:19the truth. Time to be heard.

44:23Millions were killed in death

44:24camps before the truth is

44:24there for all to see. If a

44:27power hungry hate group is not

44:29acknowledge. First, it's those

44:33people who are attacked. But

44:37next time he could be you and

44:37yours. Look at not say Germany

44:45ignoring the truth. Tellers

44:47can be costly and very

44:49devastating. It doesn't work.

44:53The truth is the truth. The

44:54status of being willfully

44:54blind is simply dangerous. We

44:57can all be better. People.

45:01Open your eyes. Listen. Be a

45:03stronger and wiser person. can

45:06find solutions. obvious

45:09problems. If we ignore the

45:10solutions will not be found.

45:14We need you Important. Your

45:17jobs are so important. United

45:18we stand. We will win over the

45:21diabolical. Together. We are

45:25strong divide. We shall fall.

45:30Let's make best. Make it work

45:31for all of us. Hear the truth.

45:33It has been told well, last

45:37time I was here at the last

45:39Assembly made in October, 20th

45:39at approximately 11 10, I

45:42found for security guard

45:43standing my my car. I said to

45:46myself, I'm not going to be

45:48intimidated. The guard's

45:50walked towards me the darkness

45:51of the night. Luckily, I knew

45:52when the security guards. I

45:54footage of that incident and I

45:57want footage of the state to

45:58run that followed me into a

46:01dead end. I used love your

46:02time is 6 and I am here to

46:05inform educate and not to

46:06blame because we all could be

46:08willfully blind. Thank you for

46:09listening to my narrative.

46:10Thank you. Next person. Please

46:18come up.

46:19>> Forward. So last person we

46:20have for parents request

46:21tonight is streets over my or

46:21so please come forward. And

46:28know that members of also

46:29receive your materials. The

46:30microphone is not on. it is

46:32on. So please go ahead. And

46:33good evening, ladies and

46:34gentlemen. Good evening, mayor

46:36and assembly. I truly commend

46:38you when I come over here and

46:39see what's going on. I know

46:42how much time you put into

46:44those and how difficult it I

46:46an appearance request to talk

46:49about elect Alaska Attorney

46:51general. I had a one on voting

46:53no on the judges, but I don't

46:56even know what what they were.

46:56Whether or not they were

46:58retained. But I want all of

47:00you to understand the Missouri

47:01court plan and how it does not

47:04apply to Alaska judges. You I

47:06sent you an e-mail about it

47:09that you probably got like 2

47:10or 300 e-mails a day. So I'm

47:11not I'm not sure we're able

47:14rebuild, but I'm thinking of

47:15having an advisory vote.

47:19Municipality at the April 6

47:22election. And I don't know how

47:24this and I truly need a little

47:25help from my friends because I

47:28do think it's something that

47:31if pot, if necessary, I think

47:33we do have to get 7220

47:35signatures. That is something

47:38I'm considering. But I also

47:40think there's a possibility

47:41that assembly itself can

47:43decide to put this on the

47:45ballot. If you'll forgive me,

47:46ladies and gentleman, it

47:48really is time for those. I

47:50look at all these Darling and

47:53our wonderful community and

47:55our state and we have to do

47:57better your patients. 3, 4,

47:59here I could read, but I only

48:01have like a minute and a half.

48:03It's about a pot. A draft of

48:06awareness. And I'm not sure if

48:07I even have the right. way,

48:08I'm doing this. where areas.

48:13Senate Joint resolution. 21

48:14was on on 2/24/2020 proposing

48:20amendments to the Constitution

48:23of the state of Alaska

48:24regarding the office of

48:26Attorney General UC Ladies and

48:27gentlemen, the only way we can

48:30change our Alaska Constitution

48:33is by a two-thirds vote of

48:36each of the houses of the

48:39state legislature. Now to me,

48:39that is just almost

48:42insurmountable. That's why I'm

48:43saying we have 40% of the

48:46population of Alaska and we

48:49might be able to give them

48:50advice and they might run with

48:51it and decide to have a

48:55two-thirds Just to mention

48:56when our Constitution was

48:57written, if his chin, we have

49:00got a 329 percent increase in

49:06our population. We live in

49:07such a different community.

49:10Then when these constitutional

49:12delegate delegates create are

49:14constitutional constitution. I

49:14think it is so good. If we

49:16talk about this and make

49:20things better for these

49:20darling kids, all of us and

49:23the future of our great state

49:25of Alaska. Thank you so is

49:27probably assembly for hearing

49:29me. I appreciate any

49:30questions. I hope you look at

49:333, 4, especially. Thank you.

49:37Any questions for us over at

49:38AM Monday. Thank you. Miss

49:41Obermeyer and them and thank

49:43you for it's rare that someone

49:44comes with a draft resolution

49:48already written. So thank you.

49:49I don't want or even more than

49:50the current climate.

49:55>> It's that it's impressive

49:56I'm wondering I haven't had a

49:56chance to read this, but I'm

49:58wondering if you know how many

50:00other states in the U.S. have

50:02been elected attorney general

50:03versus the 43 states. 40 have

50:06elected attorneys have been

50:07elected 3 times. Thank you.

50:08>> And that is one of the

50:09issues here on the one of its

50:11right here. It's the 4th one

50:12down. Where is currently

50:15Alaska's no elected attorney

50:17who vie designation must be

50:18required to be a member of the

50:21Alaska gives you the

50:23statistics. So thank you for

50:24asking questions. Many other

50:25sessions. Thank you. I don't

50:27see any at this time. So thank

50:28you,

50:34>> That takes us through our

50:35appearance next. We will go to

50:36the consent agenda. So as a

50:40reminder, the consent agenda

50:41is typically routine items

50:43such as Ben Awards. New

50:44business information reports

50:44as well as things like

50:47resolutions. So, Anderson,

50:48rules of procedure, these are

50:49items for public hearing. And

50:52as a reminder, members me up

50:53Alinea these items for

50:55separate discussion before the

50:56consent agenda is approved. So

50:58I will go down the list

51:00tonight for items to poll. So

51:02start with Mr. Handle it.

51:07>> I've got 10 alpha for and

51:0910 Delta, 10.

51:17>> Got 10. A 4.10, D 10 next,

51:20Mr. Martinez.

51:20>> Thank you. Chair. 10 out

51:21for 3.

51:22>> 10 83. Silvers. Nothing to

51:28pull. Thank you. Next, Mr.

51:30President, no items. Thank

51:31you. Next, Mr. Blunt. No

51:34items. Thank you. Monday. At

51:3810 down to 18. Thank you. 10 D

51:4518 next. Must go. Pope Time F

51:49one 10 G 8. Have 10 f one in

51:5710 G 8, 1, question 10 G 8. Is

51:59it to change the public

51:59hearing or do you have another

52:00intention? It's a public

52:02hearing set. If you would like

52:06to direct a different date for

52:07public hearing, we can do

52:09that. You can sorry, I'm do

52:12Remove that. Just kind of one.

52:13Okay. Thank

52:16>> Yeah. But if you would like

52:17to have the date changed, I

52:17have a few that it will

52:18change. So just let me know.

52:20Okay next. And this Mr.

52:23Mccormick, 10 Bravo 3. Okay.

52:2510 B, 3. And next, spark no

52:30items chair. Thank you and Mr.

52:33Johnson, 10, a 2. Okay. 10 2.

53:03Mr. Madam In addition, I'd

53:04like to pull item 10, a one.

53:05>> Okay. Thank you.

53:11>> Okay. So I will read the

53:12list back us. We've got 10, a

53:15one, Mr. Vaughan, to Mr.

53:15Johnson, 10, a Mr. Martinez,

53:17for Mister Handel and 10 B Mr.

53:20Mccormick, 10, D, 10 Mr Handle

53:23and 10 D 18 as fog Monday and

53:2510 f one must go any

53:28additional items that we

53:28missed. Okay. And before we

53:37move on, I will also direct

53:37the chair by the clerk to

53:38change the following public

53:41hearings. So that would be for

53:42items. 10 G one, 4, 5.11 to

53:46set the public hearing for

53:47those for December 15th. And

53:51then for items 10 G 14, 15 17

53:54to set the eye to the public

53:55hearing for those to January

53:5613, 2027. And now has time to

54:00scout. I did not 10 G 8. So is

54:01there a different date? Ok?

54:02Thank you. Yeah. Repeat that

54:06one more time. and the clerk,

54:08Anna, will be documenting this

54:09as well. So the items 10 G

54:11one, 4, 5.11 will be set for

54:16December. 15th and then items

54:1810 G 14, 15 17 will be set for

54:22January 13, 2027, our first

54:23meeting of the year. Once

54:37again, we're double checking

54:38the date of the meeting, but

54:39the intent is the first

54:39meeting in January. Ok, I

54:42misspoke. I was thinking of

54:43this year. So it's a story. So

54:44it's a January 12, 2027 first

54:46regular meeting of the year.

54:50Any additional items to poll

54:50just one more check.

55:07additional hear any objection

55:10to adoption of the consent

55:10agenda, minus the pull items.

55:21Okay. The name a seeking a

55:24motion to approve the consent

55:26agenda. Madam Chair, move to

55:28approve the consent agenda

55:29minus to pull items and

55:31>> specifically in reference

55:35number 10, the 6 that would be

55:35version. That's part of my

55:36motion.

55:40>> Okay. There's a motion to

55:41approve the consent agenda.

55:42Minus the pulled items. I

55:44think I misspoke earlier when

55:45I was asking there's any

55:46objection. So I skipping ahead

55:47a step so motion by Mr.

55:49Vaughan, is there a second for

55:50the second second by Miss

55:52Park? Any further discussion

55:53on this? Any objection to

55:57adopting the consent agenda

55:58minus these items. Okay.

56:03Seeing hearing none than those

56:04items have been the consent

56:05agenda. Minus the pull items

56:06have been unanimously

56:08accepted. So if you're here

56:10for any of those items and

56:10they were not told then you

56:12can consider those completed

56:13and approve are excepted. So

56:16then we'll move through our

56:17individual item. So first, we

56:18will start with our

56:19recognition resolutions and

56:22item 10 a one. So that is

56:23resolution AR 2026. 3.11, a

56:26resolution of the Anchorage

56:27Municipal Assembly,

56:28recognizing acres, water and

56:29wastewater utility for 2025

56:31National Association of Clean

56:32Water Agencies, Peak

56:34Performance Awards. This item

56:35was pulled by Mr. Want. Thank

56:36you, Madam Chairman, to prove

56:38second. Motion by Mr to

56:41approve second by Miss Ball

56:43Monday. Any further discussion

56:44on this item? Any objection to

56:49adoption of this resolution?

56:53Okay. Seeing and hearing none.

56:54This item has been adopted and

56:56I believe Mr. Going to be

56:58reading and then a scout is

57:00presenting. So please proceed.

57:01Yes. And you, Madam Chair, a

57:01resolution of the encourage

57:03municipal assembly,

57:04recognizing Anchorage, water

57:05and wastewater utility.

57:08>> For 2025 National

57:08Association of Clean Water

57:10Agencies Peak performance of

57:11words. Whereas encourage water

57:14and wastewater utilities. 3

57:18wastewater treatment

57:20recognized for excellent

57:21environmental treatment

57:21services during 2025. and

57:25awarded National Association

57:25of Clean Water Agencies, Peak

57:28Performance Awards for

57:30outstanding compliance with

57:31their national Pollutant

57:31discharge elimination System

57:34and Alaska Pollutant Discharge

57:35Elimination system permits.

57:38And whereas the Asplund

57:39wastewater treatment facility,

57:42search Anchorage Bowl and

57:43received a civil Silver Award

57:44in 2025. For having less than

57:475 violations with its end. Pds

57:48comment. And whereas the Eagle

57:52River Wastewater Treatment

57:52Facility serves Anchorage's

57:54northern communities and

57:55received a platinum award in

57:572025 for 5 consecutive years

57:59of 100% compliance with no

58:02apds permit violations during

58:04that period. And whereas the

58:05Girdwood Wastewater treatment

58:07Facility serves a good, good

58:09one area and received a Silver

58:10award in 2025. For having less

58:12than 5 violations with apds

58:13permit. And whereas these

58:17outstanding levels of service

58:18are only possible with a

58:20professional staff at each

58:22facility dedicated to

58:24operational excellence for

58:25which will board of directors

58:27has unanimously congratulated

58:29their efforts. And whereas the

58:29utility continues to invest to

58:32protect the health and welfare

58:32of the public and the

58:35environment by providing

58:36responsible water and

58:37wastewater services today and

58:38long into the future. Now,

58:40therefore, the Anchorage

58:41Assembly resolves that

58:45encourage water and wastewater

58:45utility is recognized for

58:47receiving these prestigious

58:51CWA Peak Performance Awards

58:53for excellence in the delivery

58:53of Wastewater Treatment

58:55services to the citizens of

58:57the Municipality of Anchorage

58:58and for advancing a new

58:59standard of excellence.

59:12>> Thank you. And I see we

59:13have director person. You're

59:14hearing some folks you'd like

59:15to provide some comments.

59:17>> Thank David Person here,

59:19general manager encourage

59:20water wastewater utility we

59:21really appreciate this

59:21recognition. And it really is

59:24because of the tremendous

59:26professional staff that we

59:27have that are out there 365

59:27days a year. 24 7, making sure

59:31that we're able to provide

59:31safe, reliable water and

59:32wastewater services to the

59:35community. And it also

59:36includes the support from the

59:37Anchorage Assembly as well as

59:39Mayor LaFrance and her

59:40administration. Because none

59:41of this would be possible

59:41without your support. So we

59:42really appreciate it. Thank

59:43you.

59:48>> All right. Thank you very

59:48much. Okay. Next, we a couple

1:00:00of the timely resolutions

1:00:01November. So we will be moving

1:00:03to item to that are 2026 3.18,

1:00:08a resolution of the Anchorage

1:00:09Municipal Assembly recognizing

1:00:1211/11/2026. as Veterans Day

1:00:13celebrating all U.S. veterans

1:00:15and honoring Alaska veterans

1:00:16for their service to our

1:00:16country. This item was pulled

1:00:17by Mr. Johnson move to approve

1:00:18second. Motion by Mr. Johnson

1:00:22to approve second by Miss

1:00:23Roland. Is there any further

1:00:24discussion on this one? Also

1:00:28note that we there's a couple

1:00:28of these resolutions that we

1:00:31do annually and not all

1:00:32members have opted into these

1:00:34individually saw. Also ask, is

1:00:35there any members who object

1:00:36to being added to this? Okay.

1:00:42please direct that we will add

1:00:44and they believe was also

1:00:45asked the mayor if if you

1:00:45would like to be added as

1:00:47well. Siya, please click. Add

1:00:48that. Okay. Okay. So I was

1:00:51looking at the top anyway.

1:00:53We'll make sure everybody's on

1:00:54that one. So is there any

1:00:56objection to adoption of this

1:00:57resolution? Okay, seeing and

1:01:02hearing none. This resolution

1:01:03has been adopted. I believe we

1:01:04have Mister Johnson reading

1:01:05and Mr. Mccormick presenting

1:01:06so please proceed. And I also

1:01:08ask if anybody who is a

1:01:12veteran or if you happen to be

1:01:13active service, please feel

1:01:13free to step forward. If you

1:01:14would like to. I'm looking at

1:01:17one of her attorneys who may

1:01:17be as busy at work. you

1:01:21saluting. But he's at work

1:01:22right now. So I've also

1:01:25recognize we have our

1:01:25community and economic

1:01:26development director, Mr.

1:01:27Dole, who's also a veteran.

1:01:27please proceed, Mr. Johnson.

1:01:31>> Where as Armistice Day

1:01:32began in 1918, as a day to

1:01:35reflect on the heroism of

1:01:36those who died in our country.

1:01:38Service. And later became

1:01:39known as Veterans Day to honor

1:01:40all veterans in all wars. And

1:01:45whereas us today, the U.S.

1:01:46continues to celebrate

1:01:47November 11th as Veterans Day

1:01:48to honor persons and military

1:01:50service and their families for

1:01:52their willingness to serve and

1:01:53sacrifice for the common good.

1:01:56And whereas Alaska's military

1:01:59history includes the Alaskan

1:02:01Macie Hercules antiaircraft

1:02:02missile systems during the

1:02:03Cold War, Aleutian Islands

1:02:05campaign in the Aleutian

1:02:07Tigers and the last cut aerial

1:02:09tour, real guard during World

1:02:10War. 2 with today's service

1:02:12members actively involved in

1:02:14monitoring and protecting the

1:02:15northwest of the U.S. and

1:02:18whereas Alaska is one of the

1:02:20military's most desirable duty

1:02:23stations with many new

1:02:24recruits choosing to serve.

1:02:24Here is their first duty

1:02:25station and whereas an

1:02:29estimated one in 10 Alaska

1:02:30residents has served in the

1:02:31armed forces and Anchorage is

1:02:33home to Jay Bear. The largest

1:02:36U.S. military installation in

1:02:37Alaska, which is home to

1:02:3932,000 service members, their

1:02:40families and civilian

1:02:41personnel. And whereas in

1:02:45Anchorage, there's a ceremony

1:02:46on Jay Bear on November. 11th

1:02:48or celebrate by visiting a the

1:02:51Anchorage Veterans Museum and

1:02:52now they're for bankers simply

1:02:57recognizes 11/11/2026. as

1:03:00Veterans Day and celebration

1:03:01honors all U.S. military

1:03:02veterans for their service to

1:03:03our community, state and

1:03:06nation past and approved by

1:03:07the Anchorage Assembly. This

1:03:084th day of November 2026.

1:03:17Thank you, Mr. Do. Good

1:03:20evening. Bob Dole, Colonel

1:03:23retired.

1:03:23>> Thank you Marine for

1:03:24reading that resolution.

1:03:27Alaska has the most veterans

1:03:30per capita on their gathered.

1:03:31Mostly are concentrated around

1:03:32Anchorage. That's a testament

1:03:33to the support of this

1:03:33community and the support of

1:03:35this body on behalf of

1:03:37Anchorage veterans. I thank

1:03:37you for your support. And your

1:03:41ongoing support and have won

1:03:42ask as we go forward towards

1:03:43Veterans Day. As written

1:03:48Veterans Day recognizes

1:03:49veterans, veterans and service

1:03:51members do not serve alone. So

1:03:52don't forget those family

1:03:53members. They served with him

1:03:55in many ways. I think their

1:03:55duty is tougher. But thank you

1:03:56for your support.

1:03:57>> Thank you. And I thank See

1:04:01couple members in the queue,

1:04:01Mr. Handle and

1:04:05>> if this was left over, that

1:04:06it was left over to be added

1:04:07to the resolutions are site,

1:04:07Mr. Volland. Thank you, Chair

1:04:13Brawley and thank you, Bob,

1:04:14for being here to accept this.

1:04:18>> I just maybe I think we've

1:04:19done this in the past. If

1:04:21there were other veterans in

1:04:22the room who want to stand,

1:04:26I'd also love to recognize

1:04:28your service. So anyone who

1:04:29has served in the military, if

1:04:30you could please stand. Thank

1:04:41you very much. Thank very

1:04:44much. All of you for your

1:04:45service. Thank you. Madam

1:04:45Chair. Thank you know, for

1:04:47their folks in the queue. And

1:04:49thank you, everyone.

1:04:52>> So moving on to our next

1:04:53recognition resolution on a

1:04:55similar theme. So AR 2026

1:04:573.19, a resolution of the

1:04:59Anchorage Municipal Assembly,

1:05:01recognizing November as Purple

1:05:02Heart month and remembering

1:05:02and honoring all of the

1:05:04military personnel wounded or

1:05:05killed in combat with hostile

1:05:07forces. This item was pulled

1:05:10by Martine U.S.

1:05:11>> Move to approve.

1:05:15>> Okay. Motion to approve by

1:05:16Martinez. A second by Mr.

1:05:19Volland any further discussion

1:05:21on this item. And I guess ask

1:05:24scanning the names. Does

1:05:24anybody object to be adding to

1:05:25this added to this? If you're

1:05:26not there already? Okay, then

1:05:30we will direct to make sure to

1:05:31the mayor's on there as well.

1:05:31And all members, any objection

1:05:32to adoption of this

1:05:33resolution? Okay. Seeing

1:05:38hearing none of this

1:05:38resolution has been

1:05:39unanimously adopted. So I

1:05:41believe we Martinez reading

1:05:42and then Mr. President,

1:05:45presenting.

1:05:45>> So anybody who is here for

1:05:46the Purple Heart resolution,

1:05:47please come forward.

1:05:49>> Resolution of the Anchorage

1:05:51Municipal Assembly,

1:05:53recognizing November as Purple

1:05:53Heart month and remembering

1:05:54and honoring. All of the

1:05:57military personnel wounded or

1:05:58killed in combat with hostile

1:05:59forces. Whereas established in

1:06:0317, 82 by George Washington,

1:06:05the Purple Heart is a combat

1:06:07decoration originally known as

1:06:09the Badge of Military Merit

1:06:11awarded 2 enlisted members and

1:06:14is the nation's oldest

1:06:16military medal. It was last

1:06:18for 150 years and was

1:06:20reestablished into the modern

1:06:21Purple Heart in 1932. By U.S.,

1:06:23Army chief of Staff Douglas

1:06:26MacArthur. And whereas in

1:06:281998, it was effectively

1:06:32limited to members of the

1:06:34armed forces of the United

1:06:35States who served after April

1:06:375th, 1917, that could be

1:06:39awarded the Purple Heart for

1:06:39being wounded killed or who

1:06:41may die from wounds received

1:06:42in combat and whereas Purple

1:06:45Heart Day is August 7th. When

1:06:49the nation acknowledges and

1:06:50remembers the sacrifices made

1:06:51by the brave wounded members

1:06:52of our military on November.

1:06:555th, 2019, the Assembly passed

1:06:59a are 2019, 3.86, which

1:07:02designated the municipality of

1:07:02Anchorage has a Purple Heart

1:07:04city and November as Purple

1:07:06Heart Month to recognize and

1:07:09honor all of the Purple Heart

1:07:11recipients within the

1:07:11municipality of Anchorage and

1:07:15whereas although the exact

1:07:16number of Purple Heart

1:07:17recipients in the municipality

1:07:18of Anchorage is unknown. The

1:07:20military, the members of the

1:07:22military order of the Purple

1:07:23Heart local chapter number 5,

1:07:269, 3, are all Purple. Heart

1:07:28recipient, Veterans Volunteer

1:07:31veteran volunteers who work to

1:07:33identify and provide aid to

1:07:35all Purple Heart recipients

1:07:36and their families within the

1:07:36municipality of Anchorage. And

1:07:38whereas there are many

1:07:39organizations services and

1:07:43recognitions for the Anchorage

1:07:44Purple Heart recipients,

1:07:45including the military Order

1:07:46of the Purple Heart Chapter 5,

1:07:479, 3, Free parking at easy

1:07:52part garages, Purple Heart

1:07:53license plates that are free

1:07:53of charge paws Purple Hearts

1:07:58and the tribute Highway of the

1:08:00Alaska Highway from Fairbanks

1:08:02to the Canadian border as a

1:08:03part of the National Purple

1:08:05Heart Trail. Now, therefore,

1:08:07the Anchorage Assembly

1:08:07recognizes November as Purple

1:08:09Heart Month and honors all of

1:08:10the Purple Heart recipients

1:08:13within municipality of

1:08:15Anchorage passed and approved

1:08:16on this 4th day of November

1:08:162026.

1:08:19♪

1:08:27>> Thank you. Yeah. Make

1:08:28friends on. So please feel

1:08:28free to make some remarks.

1:08:30>> Dan Collins on the current

1:08:31commander of Anchorage

1:08:33chapter. Also is 5, 9, 3, I

1:08:36think we have the longest

1:08:39resolution. But anyway, to the

1:08:40mayor, a mayor and her staff

1:08:45the chair and the assembly

1:08:47behalf of the Purple Heart

1:08:50that represent and those I

1:08:52know of. But who are into my

1:08:53chapter? I.

1:08:56>> We really appreciate

1:08:57consistent and constant.

1:09:00>> Support all the things

1:09:01you've done for the Purple

1:09:03Heart members. So thank you

1:09:04very much. Thank you very

1:09:14much.

1:09:15>> Then move on to our next

1:09:17and last recognition

1:09:18resolution this evening. So AR

1:09:212026. 3.26 a resolution of the

1:09:23Anchorage Municipal Assembly,

1:09:24recognizing Bette Davis, East

1:09:26West, and she high school

1:09:27students as cross country

1:09:29running champions. So I know

1:09:30we have a large number of

1:09:31folks here today. So if you

1:09:31want to come and start

1:09:34gathering in the podium, but

1:09:35in the meantime, as the remote

1:09:35sorry, this item, was appalled

1:09:37by Mr. Handle it, move to

1:09:38approve. Motion by Mr. Handle

1:09:44and second by Miss to approve.

1:09:45Is there any objection to a

1:09:47are any discussion on this

1:09:47resolution? Just one of see if

1:09:53a couple folks in the queue.

1:09:54Is this to also. Also to add

1:09:58names? Yes, okay. Spread is

1:09:59anybody object to being added

1:10:00to this resolution? Then we'll

1:10:05add a members to this

1:10:06resolution. so we are going.

1:10:10Mr. Ali. Yes, I would like to

1:10:17read this piece of legislation

1:10:20>> Okay. Yes. I think that

1:10:21would be a great opportunity.

1:10:22So we have one of our student

1:10:22representative read that

1:10:24shortly. I believe one 0nd. we

1:10:38before we move on to the next

1:10:38step, is there any objection

1:10:39to adoption of this

1:10:40resolution? Okay, seeing rain

1:10:43and then this resolution has

1:10:44been unanimously adopted. I

1:10:47believe originally we were

1:10:48going to Mr, Handle and read.

1:10:50And so we will have Mr. Ali,

1:10:50read the resolution and then

1:10:53I'll be presenting this one.

1:10:54And if Mr, wants to come down

1:10:54as well.

1:10:58>> Also know this. This does

1:10:59affect folks in 3 different

1:11:00Anybody who would like to come

1:11:01down, please feel free. And

1:11:03Mis tally to Rita, please

1:11:04proceed. Whereas the

1:11:09accomplishments and dedication

1:11:10of Bette Davis is high school

1:11:12Thunderbirds West High School

1:11:14Eagles and the to Yak high

1:11:15school Mustangs cross-country

1:11:17running since along with their

1:11:19coaches, dedication and

1:11:20leadership has led them to a

1:11:21victorious year and whereas

1:11:25Bette Davis is high school

1:11:27senior coated in Staples

1:11:28finished in a time of 15

1:11:29minutes. 34 seconds. And his

1:11:323rd consecutive division, one

1:11:33State Cross country title

1:11:35whereas West High School won.

1:11:35The boys caught cross country

1:11:38title with 3 runners in the

1:11:40top 10 7 in the total winning

1:11:42the boys team championship at

1:11:44Frederick Arlow just percent

1:11:47ugly. Will William A can Elias

1:11:52Williams, Kenny Molins Axel

1:11:52Stone and JT gurney. Frederick

1:11:57finished in second place along

1:11:57with the team overcoming just

1:12:00for since late season injury

1:12:00and coming together for the

1:12:01championship with just one

1:12:02senior and to freshen

1:12:04competing. They also on the

1:12:06team GPA award winners with

1:12:06the 4 point. Oh, and whereas

1:12:08to get high school. Division,

1:12:12one cross country ranks one

1:12:12that's 6 consecutive state

1:12:14title with freshman Claire

1:12:18finishing in second place.

1:12:19Madison Coke, 6 place. Riley

1:12:22Ruggles 15 place and the Cs N

1:12:22Double 18th place resulting in

1:12:264 runners crossing the finish

1:12:27line in the top 20 and whereas

1:12:30the team's hard work,

1:12:31resilience and knowledge that

1:12:31coming together working

1:12:33together and learning from

1:12:34each other is what really

1:12:36matters now. Therefore, the

1:12:39Anchorage Municipal Assembly

1:12:40recognizes the Bette Davis

1:12:41East High Thunderbirds West

1:12:42High School Eagles and that

1:12:46you get high school Mustang

1:12:49cross-country running students

1:12:49as cross country running

1:12:51champions has improved by the

1:12:51Anchorage Assembly.

1:13:11Okay.

1:13:11Thank you. Yeah. This is where

1:13:12the chair doesn't usually do

1:13:15this.

1:13:16>> so I mean, ask and I know

1:13:16it'll take a little bit of

1:13:17time, but we have a lot of

1:13:18folks here today. So I'll say

1:13:19thank you for being here.

1:13:21We've got folks from 3

1:13:22different schools represented.

1:13:23think this may not be the

1:13:25entire team. So want to say

1:13:27shot out to the entire team's,

1:13:27even if you couldn't be here

1:13:28tonight and then I'm going to

1:13:30ask you to the students to

1:13:31come up and just say your

1:13:31name, what school you're with.

1:13:33And then if the coaches would

1:13:34like to make any brief remarks

1:13:36will take a little time to do

1:13:37that. please proceed.

1:13:40>> Long cut on Staples. Thank

1:13:41you so much. I'm from Bette

1:13:42Davis East. And just come on

1:13:44up as you're ready. Hi, I'm

1:13:47Alan Frederick and I'm from

1:13:48West Anchorage High School.

1:13:49And I know Rick Eek. I am

1:13:53William McMahon loss from

1:13:54West. Hi, I'm just percent.

1:13:59also from West. Hi, I'm JT

1:14:05Carney and I'm from West.

1:14:10funded Li and I'm from less.

1:14:15Kenny Mullins and I'm from

1:14:16West. I'm Elias Williams and

1:14:20I'm from West. I'm from West.

1:14:31>> I'm Olivia Sandoval. I'm

1:14:32from to yet. I'm Alicia

1:14:37Sandoval and I'm from to yet.

1:14:41Hi, I'm Claire Shane and I'm

1:14:42from get.

1:14:47>> Okay. Then fickell's us the

1:14:48coaches, the adults to come

1:14:49up. You do not have to say a

1:14:51lot of words, but you are

1:14:52welcome to just as the name.

1:14:56>> I'm Joey and I'm head coach

1:14:57at West. I've been coaching in

1:14:58a district for 25 years.

1:15:02having this whole group of

1:15:03athletes, student athletes

1:15:03kind of our future and it's

1:15:06great for them to see what you

1:15:07guys do. A great for us.

1:15:09Recognize them. I am so proud

1:15:11of not just west to east and

1:15:12to you. I can just having been

1:15:14in this role leading youth and

1:15:18they then become hopefully in

1:15:19your seat soon. So thank you.

1:15:25>> Hello, I'm Christina shirt

1:15:26live from east. And I've been

1:15:27coaching at ease for about 14

1:15:29years now for a cross-country

1:15:30and track and thank you for

1:15:32recognizing all of fabulous

1:15:34athletes and they're not just

1:15:35fabulous. Athletes are also

1:15:36fabulous students.

1:15:42>> Hi, I'm Brian. Toasty from

1:15:432. I've been coaching there

1:15:44for about 10 years now. Thanks

1:15:47for recognizing these athletes

1:15:48and our small community of

1:15:48Anchorage. As a coach, you get

1:15:50to know. How hard these guys

1:15:54work. Not just from your own

1:15:56team, but from the rest of the

1:15:57teams and these guys have put

1:16:00in a lot of time and effort

1:16:01and the really deserve to be

1:16:02recognized. So thank you.

1:16:10>> Ok, well, thanks everybody

1:16:11for being here. And they see

1:16:12we have one person in the Q as

1:16:13on Monday. thank you all so

1:16:18much for being here. As a

1:16:19former member of the East,

1:16:21Anchorage High School Cross

1:16:24Country team.

1:16:24>> I am particularly proud of

1:16:26that of Titans accomplishment.

1:16:303 consecutive State Cross

1:16:31country championships. I don't

1:16:32think anyone's done that since

1:16:36Kikkan Randall in the late

1:16:3790's. Early So that's pretty

1:16:38boss accomplishment. Well

1:16:40done. And then also to the

1:16:41coaches. I think from this

1:16:45vantage point, I now

1:16:46understand just how much time

1:16:46and energy and effort the

1:16:49hours that you pour into your

1:16:52athletes. And so thank you for

1:16:53the way that you are investing

1:16:54in the future of and grants

1:16:57that does not go unnoticed or

1:16:58unappreciated. And I just want

1:16:59to be sure that you all

1:17:00receive the recognition you

1:17:01deserve. For the ways that you

1:17:03have safe, these young

1:17:05people's lives at my cross

1:17:07country, coach, my track

1:17:07coaches had an incredible

1:17:08influence on my life. And so I

1:17:10know I know that you are

1:17:11passing on that same like a CT

1:17:12athletes as well. So thank you

1:17:13for what you do. All right.

1:17:17Thanks, everyone. Thanks for

1:17:17being here. And on other. We

1:17:26had some presentation copies

1:17:27and then also a nice copies,

1:17:29one for each of the students.

1:17:30So I will just trust that the

1:17:31coaches will distribute them

1:17:31as as needed. Thank you.

1:17:36>> That takes us through our

1:17:38recognition resolutions. Let's

1:17:38move on to the next item that

1:17:40are 2026. 3.28, a resolution

1:17:42of the Anchorage Assembly,

1:17:44establishing an ad-hoc

1:17:45assembly committee on

1:17:45Anchorage Police Department

1:17:46policies and implementation to

1:17:48provide legislative public

1:17:50policy, guns, collaboration

1:17:51and partnership with APD and

1:17:51the Department of Law in the

1:17:55development and implementation

1:17:55of policies on use of force

1:17:56de-escalation and police

1:17:57technology. This item was

1:17:58pulled by Mr. Mccormick. Move

1:18:02to approve second, motion to

1:18:06approve by Mr. McCormick a

1:18:07second by Mr. Vaughan's, Mr.

1:18:08Mccormick.

1:18:11>> like to hear the sponsor

1:18:12speak to. sponsor is Mister

1:18:15President. Thank you for the

1:18:19This is. And effort to work

1:18:25with the police department as

1:18:26they implement a whole series

1:18:27of new policies. Both from the

1:18:31report that we received the

1:18:32use of force report depending

1:18:35on what happens tonight in

1:18:36terms of of the technology but

1:18:38policy. So it's an opportunity

1:18:39for us to work for the next

1:18:40year on collaboratively,

1:18:42learning about how those

1:18:43policies are being implemented

1:18:47and providing the kind of

1:18:49oversight that this this and

1:18:50this body should be doing. and

1:18:53so I look forward to to this

1:18:56passing. Look forward to other

1:18:58assembly members joining

1:19:00effort and working with of the

1:19:01department or the next year

1:19:02for this. And then there will

1:19:04be reports coming back to the

1:19:06body, both to the Public

1:19:07Safety Committee and to the

1:19:10full body quarterly to to give

1:19:11a sense of of what the work is

1:19:12and what's been done look

1:19:16forward to also sending out a

1:19:18fair amount of information to

1:19:19the public to keep them

1:19:20informed as this work and

1:19:21could continue. So happy to

1:19:26answer any questions. But

1:19:26that's that's what this is.

1:19:29Okay next. disco in Thank

1:19:36>> I specifically have

1:19:37questions around the word

1:19:40developments and the title of

1:19:41this resolution. What kind of

1:19:42policies to think this task

1:19:42force? Can or should be

1:19:45developing?

1:19:48>> Is to be? deadliest that

1:19:54sponsor? Yes, the the primary

1:19:56role of this committee is not

1:19:58in developing new policies. It

1:20:00is. It is working on existing

1:20:03policies and and with the

1:20:04implementation of those,

1:20:06however, I think through that

1:20:08process, there may be things

1:20:09that we learned along the way

1:20:11that would need to come back

1:20:13to the U.S. the Assembly for

1:20:14something that would that

1:20:16would change. So I think the

1:20:18development pieces there

1:20:19simply because we want to

1:20:20learn as we go through this is

1:20:23this process. And if there is

1:20:23a change or is there's an

1:20:24update that needs to happen

1:20:25that I think this committee

1:20:26can be part of of developing

1:20:30collaboratively. What that

1:20:31change or with that new policy

1:20:32might be in bringing that back

1:20:33to the assembly for for

1:20:35adoption or working with the

1:20:37the Department on developing a

1:20:39policy that would be an

1:20:40operational policy. Something

1:20:41depending whether it's

1:20:41something in code or

1:20:43something. It's more

1:20:44department level. There may be

1:20:46an opportunity to make changes

1:20:47or develop something new

1:20:48through what we've learned.

1:20:52>> Thank you. And I have a

1:20:53second question for the

1:20:54sponsor. That's okay. We'll

1:20:54have the Please proceed.

1:20:59>> How is this different or

1:21:00related to the task force to

1:21:02re? Imagine Public Safety

1:21:03Advisory Commission.

1:21:08>> Thanks that question. So

1:21:09just to refresh memory, we we

1:21:11did have before the body and

1:21:12effort to develop an advisory

1:21:16group that was primarily the

1:21:21the community to do 2 things

1:21:24to provide the similar kind of

1:21:27collaborative him and to the

1:21:28police department to the

1:21:29assembly as policies are being

1:21:31in plummet and developed. It

1:21:35also was an effort to increase

1:21:36the amount of engagement that

1:21:37happened between the

1:21:39administration and the public

1:21:42around the work that they're

1:21:44doing. So I think what this

1:21:47does is it allows us to to to

1:21:50bring forward the the policy

1:21:52oversight piece of that, the

1:21:55alignment peace and still

1:21:57communicate with the public on

1:22:00that. It does not necessarily

1:22:00involve the public more than

1:22:02them being aware of it and

1:22:04participating so they can come

1:22:07to the committee meetings.

1:22:07There will be opportunities

1:22:08for them to speak and they'll

1:22:09be opportunities for us to

1:22:10share information with them.

1:22:14So it's a I think it's a it's

1:22:14an opportunity for us because

1:22:15the other piece didn't pass.

1:22:17It's a way for us, I think to

1:22:18to continue to to do that work

1:22:20in a different form. He

1:22:24opponent. Thank you. Madam

1:22:29Chair. I think want to tag

1:22:32along to number scouts, a line

1:22:34of questioning it sort of the

1:22:36the I guess the work product

1:22:37that is envisioned here.

1:22:38>> And as I'm reading this,

1:22:43the goal here is to inform

1:22:45policy. I think I'd like to

1:22:50hear from the sponsor a little

1:22:51bit on. It's not just internal

1:22:55policy for APD or is that

1:22:58assembly policy policy can be

1:22:59used in more than one context.

1:23:02And so you could maybe just

1:23:02unpack that a little bit for

1:23:03me.

1:23:05>> Sure. And I think there

1:23:06again, I think this is going

1:23:08to be a process where we're

1:23:09going to learn a lot along the

1:23:10way. But what I would say

1:23:12initially is is both. I think

1:23:14it it's an opportunity for us

1:23:15because we're having

1:23:16discussions now, both from the

1:23:17technology perspective and the

1:23:18use of force on on policies

1:23:22that are being implemented

1:23:23within the department and and

1:23:26our role in terms of of

1:23:29understanding those and seeing

1:23:30what those look like once

1:23:31they're put in in place. So I

1:23:34would say that that that's an

1:23:35opportunity for for the body

1:23:37and for the public to learn

1:23:38about how those are going and

1:23:40what's being done and what

1:23:41those look like in real life.

1:23:43And for us to receive data

1:23:45about them. Are they working?

1:23:47Are they having the impact

1:23:47that we want them to them to

1:23:49have? And so I think it's an

1:23:51opportunity for us to have a

1:23:52higher level of communication

1:23:54around it and an understanding

1:23:55around those policies. But I

1:23:58think answer your direct

1:23:59question, my my my thought is

1:24:00both. I think that this is

1:24:01this is a place where we would

1:24:03we would talk about and think

1:24:05about both policies that were

1:24:07put in place by the assembly

1:24:08and policies that are

1:24:09currently or developed by the

1:24:11department and understanding

1:24:12how those are being

1:24:14implemented and what those

1:24:15look like. An action. Okay.

1:24:18Thank you for then. That

1:24:19answer.

1:24:24>> I intend to support this. I

1:24:26think it's a worthwhile effort

1:24:27And from my perspective, I

1:24:28don't think any one piece of

1:24:28legislation. Needs to be the

1:24:32end of a conversation. I think

1:24:35we have items that take up

1:24:36later this evening that I

1:24:38actually think our start the

1:24:39conversation at the end of the

1:24:40conversation. I guess 2

1:24:43things. Maybe 2 concerns that

1:24:48I would voice on this effort.

1:24:53One would be so in Section 2,

1:24:56it resolved that the committee

1:24:57should provide legislative

1:24:59policy oversight of the delap

1:25:00development and implementation

1:25:01of Anchorage Police Department

1:25:02policy working in partnership

1:25:04with APD and the Department of

1:25:05Law. don't think I see here.

1:25:13Who else who else a seat at

1:25:14the table? You know, whether

1:25:17that subject matter experts in

1:25:18this type of technology or if

1:25:22that some members of the

1:25:22community who have who strong

1:25:24opinions on the subject so so

1:25:32I guess that that is one area

1:25:33where I I hope at this

1:25:38committee, special committee.

1:25:40Maybe we'll. Think carefully

1:25:43about. I think it's. Some of

1:25:49this. Some of this I think

1:25:50can't just be informed by the

1:25:52preferences of the police

1:25:53department. A puppy Frank.

1:25:55There's also other voices the

1:25:56need to help shape some of

1:25:57this. And there's a lot I

1:26:00think, of of learning that we

1:26:01can do as the technology

1:26:02evolves and it is evolving

1:26:04very quickly. I think there's

1:26:07people who can teach us about.

1:26:11Where the technology is

1:26:11headed. So that's one thing.

1:26:14The other thing is just the

1:26:18time the capacity of the

1:26:19assembly. Again, I think that

1:26:20this is a worthwhile effort,

1:26:21but I do share a little bit of

1:26:22of the concern of, you know,

1:26:24the public safety. Commission

1:26:26that re-imagining effort. I

1:26:29know that members, including

1:26:30the sponsor of this item, put

1:26:31a lot of work into that and

1:26:31spent a lot of time on it. But

1:26:34the work product there, at

1:26:36least in my estimation, didn't

1:26:36really. Seem to make anyone

1:26:40all that happy note. But it

1:26:41seems like folks on both sides

1:26:42of that debate were you just

1:26:48not not pleased what was the

1:26:49final package that was

1:26:51presented. And I think we saw,

1:26:53you know, on the sky, it's not

1:26:54move forward for that reason.

1:26:59Let's take another crack at

1:27:01it. I think it's always good

1:27:04to have. It's sort of a

1:27:05longer-term conversations with

1:27:07input from the department's

1:27:09but input from the community

1:27:10with important input from

1:27:10subject matter. Experts I hope

1:27:15hit Results of something

1:27:19meaningful and I'm willing to

1:27:20take a leap of faith that it

1:27:22will and support us tonight.

1:27:22Thank you. Madam Chair. myself

1:27:26in the Queue member rally.

1:27:30Thank Just a brief question to

1:27:33the sponsor. I think this was

1:27:34a little bit alluded to, but

1:27:35just wanted to be clear on the

1:27:36record.

1:27:37>> Mr. President, from your

1:27:40perspective, does this

1:27:41committee and then what's this

1:27:42is proposing in this work? Is

1:27:45it instead of what the item

1:27:45that we're going to be

1:27:46debating later this evening?

1:27:47Resident edition. In addition

1:27:52to that's that's the intention

1:27:53is that is that this this

1:27:56committee would whatever the

1:27:57actions are taken by the the

1:27:59assembly that this would be

1:28:01part of the implementation of

1:28:02those. Okay. Thank you. And

1:28:05that for me. I'm a scout.

1:28:09Thank

1:28:10>> I am.

1:28:11>> Curious, was this this car

1:28:15center?

1:28:16>> Prior committee meeting

1:28:18work session before landing on

1:28:19tonight's agenda. Oh, sorry.

1:28:23The questions to me.

1:28:27>> The was brought up in 2

1:28:27previous rules. Could

1:28:28committees and and the process

1:28:33developing it was done in

1:28:36coordination with, of course,

1:28:38the the Department Law and and

1:28:38the the Neighbors Police

1:28:39Department. the it has not

1:28:44been discussed in terms of the

1:28:44substance of it until tonight,

1:28:46OK?

1:28:47>> Thank Were any?

1:28:52>> Past members, particularly

1:28:54from the public of the task

1:28:55force to re. Imagine the

1:28:57Public Safety Advisory

1:28:58Commission consulted and the

1:28:58development of this policy.

1:29:03>> Yeah, the I think probably

1:29:07after the item that we're

1:29:08referring to did not move

1:29:09forward, both share probably

1:29:12and I met with a number of of

1:29:12of commuting members that were

1:29:13quite involved in that and had

1:29:17a conversation with them about

1:29:18some of the ideas next. Next

1:29:19next steps. And so there was a

1:29:21meeting with I think, 4 or 5

1:29:25community members that were

1:29:26sort of leaders and that and

1:29:28that effort and at least my

1:29:31impression was they they were

1:29:33happy about this net next step

1:29:34and felt like that. But it was

1:29:34a good direction. Okay, I can

1:29:38also respond to that. So I was

1:29:39also in that not listed as a

1:29:41sponsor here, but I have

1:29:42reviewed this as well.

1:29:43>> And I want to just clarify

1:29:44for everyone because the task

1:29:45force has come up the task

1:29:47force as it was designed by

1:29:49resolution was really it had

1:29:50assembly members. But ahead of

1:29:51many other representatives in

1:29:53a more community, I guess

1:29:56community process. What's

1:29:58proposed here ad hoc

1:30:00committee. So rather than

1:30:01creating a standing committee

1:30:02like a public safety committee

1:30:05and committees of the

1:30:06Assembly, I think we have the

1:30:06ability to add members to

1:30:08them. But typically they're

1:30:09considered a committee was

1:30:09only assembly members. I just

1:30:10want to be clear when we talk

1:30:13about this task force and we

1:30:13talk about a committee, those

1:30:16words have have distinctions.

1:30:17And what's proposed is really

1:30:20essentially a subcommittee of

1:30:20the Assembly. If that makes

1:30:21sense.

1:30:23>> Thank I have one more

1:30:27question. Just curious about

1:30:28the timeliness of this

1:30:32proposal and whether we can

1:30:34review it and substance

1:30:35Assembly committee before

1:30:36being asked to vote tonight.

1:30:40That's for the sponsor.

1:30:44>> Especially it's the will of

1:30:45the body. So I think the will

1:30:47of the body and whether they

1:30:49want weigh whether the body

1:30:49wants to act on it tonight

1:30:51over or postpone it. I think

1:30:51those are all options. I would

1:30:54say I have I have had

1:30:59conversations prior to the

1:31:01development of this with a

1:31:02number of of of the members.

1:31:05Post the last action. But

1:31:09yeah, it's a little the body.

1:31:10If if you want to postpone it

1:31:12and have more discussion about

1:31:12happy to do But I think that

1:31:15is need to move forward on

1:31:18this. I think that the public

1:31:20and the assembly need to be

1:31:22engaged in conversations. And

1:31:26so I would prefer that we

1:31:27voted on it tonight. And I can

1:31:28answer any question tonight.

1:31:30But if this will the body to

1:31:31to postpone it and that, too.

1:31:34And I just briefly for timing.

1:31:38>> So are the public Safety

1:31:39Committee for this month would

1:31:40have been today? It was

1:31:40canceled. I think part because

1:31:41of this meeting and then our

1:31:45December that so that next

1:31:46meeting would not happen until

1:31:47after December. First meeting.

1:31:49So I would suggest that if the

1:31:50intent is to send it to

1:31:51committee would need to be

1:31:53December 15th and then the

1:31:54alternative would be a special

1:31:56committee meeting which the

1:31:59chairs would They would be the

1:31:59ones to decide that would

1:32:00happen in the timing or

1:32:03alternatively, we could find

1:32:04time for a work session. But I

1:32:05will note as everybody knows,

1:32:06our time is short. So so just

1:32:08to know those are some

1:32:08options. Okay. Monday.

1:32:20>> Thank you. I was one of the

1:32:21folks that visited with member

1:32:23Press Verdia about this

1:32:24particular proposal. It I

1:32:27think it's worth noting that

1:32:27by definition. Assembly

1:32:32committees are an opportunity

1:32:33for the public to weigh in.

1:32:35Every committee meeting ends

1:32:36with an opportunity for the

1:32:36public to speak to whatever

1:32:37they would like for 3 minutes.

1:32:40And so I think there is a very

1:32:41clear vehicle for other folks,

1:32:43too, to show up to be engaged

1:32:44to. State their peace as this

1:32:49ad hoc committee has proposed

1:32:52and faults. It was really,

1:32:53really clear to me through the

1:32:54public safety advisory.

1:32:58Committee or Commission public

1:32:59hearing process that that the

1:33:01public is deeply interested in

1:33:06a window into APD Operations

1:33:09policy development. How are

1:33:10all of these different studies

1:33:11that have been? That have been

1:33:12commissioned and then reported

1:33:14out being applied. It also

1:33:20became clear through a variety

1:33:20of meth mechanisms that the

1:33:21assembly really is the

1:33:24existing body that can and

1:33:25should be providing oversight

1:33:28of APD operations. Unless and

1:33:32until some other body is is

1:33:34constituted. And so. I think

1:33:38this is a really natural next

1:33:41step. The study does not feel

1:33:43like it is a replacement for

1:33:43the Public Safety Advisory

1:33:46Commission. It feels like it

1:33:47is the next thing we ought to

1:33:48be doing. If, in fact we're

1:33:49going to take questions about

1:33:52policing technology and use of

1:33:54force and privacy matters

1:33:56seriously. So I will be in

1:33:58full support. Of the

1:34:02development of an ad hoc

1:34:02committee. And I urge my

1:34:03colleagues to do the Thank

1:34:04you. next McCormick. Because

1:34:10at this point, I'm

1:34:14>> it does seem a bit

1:34:15duplicated duplicative to me

1:34:16that we have the public Safety

1:34:18committee and now we're

1:34:19looking at another ad hoc

1:34:20committee. We just did a lot

1:34:21of work to simplify,

1:34:22streamline our structures in

1:34:24our committee meetings and

1:34:26what committees that that we

1:34:27have. And now we're looking at

1:34:28adding another and kind of

1:34:29reverting back to the large.

1:34:33Committee continual meeting

1:34:34model the Public Safety

1:34:37Committee is open to the

1:34:39public. If if we're going to

1:34:41create committees for all

1:34:42these little things and what

1:34:43it what is the point of having

1:34:44the public safety committee?

1:34:45It seems like. We have the

1:34:46venue for that. We can engage

1:34:50the public there. We can call

1:34:51upon the chief, the police

1:34:53department to answer questions

1:34:54there. We can discuss policy.

1:34:57We have this forum to come up

1:35:01with regulations this

1:35:06juncture. I'm open to hearing

1:35:07more, but I would like to

1:35:08postpone to have that deeper

1:35:10conversation said committee

1:35:13meeting. So I will move to

1:35:17postpone Intel. The meeting of

1:35:18summer 15th.

1:35:21>> It is a motion to postpone

1:35:23this item to the meeting of

1:35:23December. 15th by Mister

1:35:24McCormick. Is there a second

1:35:26second second by scout do be

1:35:28tough for them, Mr. Mccormick.

1:35:29No, thank you. Okay. The go

1:35:33through the Q you want to

1:35:34speak on post commitments.

1:35:35Overs are the main item. Sure

1:35:37I can become postponement. I

1:35:42don't actually, sir port.

1:35:46>> Postponement because I

1:35:46don't think we need to have a

1:35:47discussion to have a

1:35:48discussion. What we're asking

1:35:51here is to have a discussion

1:35:54where we go more into deaths

1:35:56on some of these issues and

1:35:59make sure that we're all

1:36:00operating from a basis of. Of

1:36:05course, to get the most out of

1:36:07this committee. People have to

1:36:08go to it. And to learn the

1:36:12facts. People have to go to

1:36:13it. But I just really don't

1:36:14think we need to have a

1:36:16discussion about having a

1:36:18discussion. So I will be a no

1:36:21on post a comment and I will

1:36:23be a yes on the formation of

1:36:24the committee because I

1:36:27sincerely support this. Thank

1:36:27you.

1:36:30>> next marvel and on

1:36:30postponement. Yeah. To make a

1:36:34toast so I think, you know,

1:36:36we've heard. Certification of

1:36:46committees described a thread

1:36:47there of we've been trying to

1:36:48streamline some of our

1:36:49committees, for instance,

1:36:49Bill, at urban design.

1:36:51Commission Sunset I a

1:36:56committee or a subcommittee of

1:36:57the Assembly ad Hoc Committee

1:36:58of Assembly. It's a little bit

1:36:59different in that. It's not as

1:37:04intensive in terms of staffing

1:37:06and some of the other

1:37:06resources. We do have

1:37:10precedent for We had a

1:37:13subcommittee hoc committee

1:37:15when we worked on the sales

1:37:16tax proposal. So I guess for

1:37:22for those reasons, I'm I'm

1:37:23mostly. Nasdaq on the motion

1:37:28to postpone. I think that you

1:37:29can. My hope is that we can

1:37:31sort of walk chew gum at the

1:37:32same time. I guess one thing I

1:37:37I do want to put out there as

1:37:39whether we take action on this

1:37:40tonight. Or at a future

1:37:42meeting. That. I hope the

1:37:49members wonders who are

1:37:50bringing this forward or are

1:37:51supporting it tonight.

1:37:52Understand that. The work of

1:37:55this committee does not

1:37:56preclude other members. Not

1:38:01Part of this committee or

1:38:02attend said meetings for

1:38:05bringing their own legislation

1:38:06forward on these topics. Just

1:38:10want to state that for the

1:38:10record and now protect the

1:38:12chair. Thank you.

1:38:15>> Monday on postponement.

1:38:18Thank you. I just want to

1:38:21point out that the public

1:38:23Safety Committee meeting

1:38:24agendas have been bursting at

1:38:25the seams for quite some time.

1:38:27And the level of conversation

1:38:29and I love that I think is

1:38:29being envisioned by this

1:38:30resolution. Go is beyond what

1:38:34the Public Safety Committee

1:38:35has. The capacity to absorb.

1:38:39So to me, it makes sense to

1:38:42carve out space for a

1:38:43subcommittee that is

1:38:44specifically tied to policing

1:38:44because public safety

1:38:47encompasses more than just

1:38:49policing. And I think we need

1:38:51to make room for all of the

1:38:52conversations that pertain to

1:38:53public to public safety.

1:38:57Without trying to squeeze an

1:38:59entire new thread of of what

1:39:01would essentially become an

1:39:02old at an old business item on

1:39:03the agenda month after month

1:39:04after month. So I think

1:39:10postponements it is. I'm

1:39:10unclear as to the purpose of

1:39:12postponement when we know our

1:39:13committees are stacked. We

1:39:14know this conversation needs

1:39:15to happen and I don't I have

1:39:19not heard yet from any members

1:39:20that there's content and this

1:39:22resolution that is

1:39:22objectionable or that requires

1:39:24additional time to consider.

1:39:27So I will be a no on

1:39:28postponement Nas on the

1:39:29underlying item. Thank you.

1:39:31Thanks, Mister Martinez on

1:39:32postponement. Yes, thank you.

1:39:34Chair.

1:39:39>> I'll be on postponing I

1:39:42think member silver Squid was

1:39:44remarkably accurate. I

1:39:44conversation to have a

1:39:45conversation. Doesn't seem

1:39:46like Useful worth of time. But

1:39:49to the mover of the of the

1:39:51motion postpone, I did have a

1:39:55follow-up question similar to

1:39:56the line of questioning that

1:39:58they offered to Mister Perez

1:39:59area, which is essentially. To

1:40:01the want to wait. That That

1:40:06was referenced as part of. The

1:40:11public Safety Committee or the

1:40:13Public Safety Committee,

1:40:14rather was referenced as a as

1:40:15a body that could otherwise

1:40:16have seen this particular item

1:40:18work through the committee.

1:40:18And I just wonder how many

1:40:21public safety committee

1:40:22meetings did 108. 26 108 Co 2.

1:40:31I think that's a question.

1:40:31Many of the sponsors, 2 to the

1:40:33mover of the motion. Sorry,

1:40:35Mr. Mccormick.

1:40:44>> Answer we had to work.

1:40:44Sessions. This policy alone. I

1:40:48think totaling. 3 to 4 hours

1:40:53of focused discussion on just

1:40:54that one policy.

1:40:55>> Thank you. And for the

1:40:56record. A work session is

1:41:00different than the committee,

1:41:01which I think speaks to the

1:41:02point that. Specialized

1:41:08opportunities to digging a

1:41:09little deeper, perhaps that

1:41:10would with this committee

1:41:12would offer. I think that

1:41:13speaks to it. And

1:41:16additionally, I work. Sessions

1:41:17speaks to a particular

1:41:19legislative item that has a

1:41:20terminal timeline like we will

1:41:21pass this because as an

1:41:23outcome, I think Perez very

1:41:25isn't vet Visioning something

1:41:26a little different. And so

1:41:28work session wouldn't capture.

1:41:30would be in this particular

1:41:32mechanism. And so I think he's

1:41:33thought that through. And it

1:41:34makes pretty good sense. I

1:41:38don't I think that also speaks

1:41:39to bite us, not duplicative in

1:41:42this particular instance. I do

1:41:46encourage members too. Not

1:41:50postpone this tonight,

1:41:52primarily because I think we

1:41:55set up expectations when we

1:41:57delay things that are matter

1:41:58of fact to move forward. This

1:42:01conversation is essentially or

1:42:04this potential item here. Is a

1:42:08continuation of work that has

1:42:10been happening in a particular

1:42:11space that gives a little more

1:42:14unique discretion to specific

1:42:17questions. And I think that

1:42:18that is exactly appropriate

1:42:21for the body to consider. And

1:42:25my condolences to the member

1:42:26for volunteering out of work

1:42:29because I know that this is a

1:42:30tremendous amount of work that

1:42:32they're waving their hand to

1:42:34say that they would be willing

1:42:34to take on and not only amount

1:42:36of work, but the substance of

1:42:40this work is pretty heavy. So

1:42:40encourage colleagues to not

1:42:42postpone. Keep moving on this

1:42:44now let the work continues.

1:42:45Thank you. Next, Mr. President

1:42:51on boost Yeah, just I would I

1:42:52would really prefer by

1:42:54colleagues either vote this up

1:42:55or down or

1:42:58>> or not postpone I don't

1:42:59think we're gonna learn

1:43:01anything and a pocos home. And

1:43:03I don't think there's

1:43:03information you're at it

1:43:05gather. That's not on the

1:43:06paper front of you. So I would

1:43:08really encourage my colleagues

1:43:12to not move to postpone it,

1:43:13it's on this tonight. And

1:43:14let's have a decision and

1:43:14let's move forward with the

1:43:15rest of meeting. next, scope

1:43:21and postponement.

1:43:22>> Thank you. Yeah, I'd like

1:43:23to speak my reason for second

1:43:26in the move to postpone.

1:43:28Particularly. note that this

1:43:32item was on the And so we

1:43:36really didn't get much time to

1:43:38review it. I actually do have

1:43:39concerns with both sections. 2

1:43:43and sections for and if given

1:43:44more lead time. would have

1:43:46liked to. Talk with my

1:43:50colleagues, especially in a

1:43:53committee meeting about some

1:43:54of the language and the

1:43:55choices that were made in

1:43:56those sections. I also if I

1:44:01also am if the Public Safety

1:44:03Committee meeting agendas are

1:44:04so fall. Why today's canceled

1:44:09meeting was not rescheduled.

1:44:11To keep us on a monthly

1:44:13cadence and or if there's a

1:44:15plan to reschedule. I

1:44:16understand that that. That

1:44:20there is timeliness 2. This

1:44:26proposal. I really support and

1:44:27feel grateful for proposal

1:44:28coming before us and plan to

1:44:32support that. Whatever makes

1:44:33But you just have some

1:44:35concerns around the process

1:44:36here and that the ability to

1:44:39weigh in and work

1:44:40collaboratively on something

1:44:41before it gets to the full

1:44:42meeting. So curious, yeah.

1:44:46About their plans to

1:44:46reschedule the committee.

1:44:50given quantity of items you

1:44:51have to come to cover.

1:44:56>> Okay on that question. So

1:44:57we have our our chair, the

1:44:58Public Safety Committee, so So

1:45:00you'd like to respond in terms

1:45:00of the committee schedule. And

1:45:03that's know I had planned on

1:45:13scheduling one sooner. To

1:45:23>> And schedule another

1:45:24committee, Well, it sounds

1:45:25like there's not support for

1:45:25postponing this. So I will.

1:45:28the motion if I can do better.

1:45:32member McCormick to that? I do

1:45:33support this policy just

1:45:37sharing my frustration at the

1:45:38lack of ability to review it

1:45:39before it lands on the

1:45:46>> Members coming. Would you

1:45:47like such a busy schedule

1:45:49couldn't reschedule it

1:45:50withdraw motion.

1:45:57>> We are back on the main

1:46:01>> Thank you. And I want it, I

1:46:01guess maybe just. Repeat the

1:46:06concern that I mentioned

1:46:07earlier custom or that I'm

1:46:08reading through I really do

1:46:08see lacking. It just it reads

1:46:13as if we're going to be

1:46:14getting all the information.

1:46:16From APD and the Department of

1:46:17Law. Which I think date, of

1:46:21course, can give us very

1:46:22valuable input this committee,

1:46:23very valuable input. you know,

1:46:26explain from their vantage

1:46:28point you know their

1:46:32perspective, which mattered

1:46:32should be internal policy,

1:46:33which matter should be in code

1:46:42so at each meeting, the

1:46:43committee shall review one or

1:46:44more policies, including with

1:46:45the policy, requires how it

1:46:48operates in practice related

1:46:49data in real world examples

1:46:50presented by APD personnel who

1:46:51performed the work. How is

1:46:57this committee going to

1:46:58evaluate? different

1:47:05perspective or sort of what?

1:47:08What could happen with this

1:47:09technology. Should it be

1:47:14misused and how how we prevent

1:47:14that? I mean, I just how do

1:47:15we? How will this committee

1:47:19avoid just taking dictation

1:47:21from? Apd and the Department

1:47:26of like just a major concern.

1:47:27I don't see. That's something

1:47:30Britain in this. And I think

1:47:31if there was, you not going

1:47:33pointing, that's fine. But

1:47:35like that's right, would be

1:47:37headed fire. get some feedback

1:47:38into this document as what

1:47:41other types of input says this

1:47:43committee could have, because

1:47:44otherwise, I think it may not

1:47:46be balance tonight that's a

1:47:48real concern of mine. So I

1:47:49don't think have speak to it.

1:47:51I also see that attorneys in

1:47:52the NICU I

1:47:54>> for me, it's pretty obvious

1:47:55mean we Our job is to

1:47:56represent the public. Write

1:47:58our job is to talk to the

1:48:00public, reach out to them.

1:48:01Tough conversations with them

1:48:02to answer emails and interact

1:48:04with them. So I I feel like

1:48:05that that that's a natural

1:48:06part of this that we would be

1:48:09as as members of this

1:48:10committee, not just listening

1:48:11to APD, but researching

1:48:14talking to folks engaged in

1:48:15with folks right. I think your

1:48:19point well taken it. There's

1:48:20nothing restricting us

1:48:22inviting others to present at

1:48:23this committee. There's no

1:48:26restriction of bringing in

1:48:28outside agencies that may have

1:48:29interactions around that ISIS

1:48:31policies or so. I think the

1:48:33goal here is to understand the

1:48:37implementation of these

1:48:38policies and are they working

1:48:40not? And and the challenges

1:48:41associated with that and to

1:48:42communicate about that. So I

1:48:43think your point well taken

1:48:44that it doesn't need to be and

1:48:46should be an echo chamber of

1:48:48just just assembly members and

1:48:51P D. I think there's there's a

1:48:51real opportunity here to have

1:48:54a broader conversation about

1:48:55how these are doing. And so so

1:48:59I take that and I it very,

1:49:00very seriously that I think

1:49:02part of our role as assembly

1:49:03members is to is to do that

1:49:07extra work and and to bring

1:49:09those perspectives into this,

1:49:12conversation. So so I just

1:49:12felt like that that was an

1:49:13obvious roll that we have. And

1:49:17I would expect that that would

1:49:18be a part of this. This

1:49:18committee as well. It does not

1:49:21limit us tonight. I would

1:49:22assume that we would want to

1:49:23bring other ideas perspectives

1:49:25and organizations and those

1:49:27kinds of things into end of

1:49:28the conversation. Some.

1:49:31>> And also seeing this

1:49:33gardener in the queue. So see

1:49:33if you want to respond to this

1:49:34question. Thank you. And some

1:49:38are specific question, but

1:49:39just wanted to share some

1:49:39thoughts and perspectives on

1:49:41this as it's designed. I don't

1:49:44have a position on whether

1:49:45that's a good idea or bad

1:49:46idea. I think that's a policy

1:49:47decision for the assembly to

1:49:48make. This is your committee.

1:49:52But as currently presented, I

1:49:53want to address the concern

1:49:54about having the information

1:49:55come from APD. Let's say from

1:49:57my perspective is municipal

1:49:58attorney having watched the

1:50:00assembly consider past end

1:50:04laws about police operations.

1:50:07Police practice peace

1:50:07technology over the last 2 and

1:50:08a half years has been that a

1:50:10lot of the time. BC Energy

1:50:14coming from the Assembly, a

1:50:15desire to address a problem

1:50:15legislate about it. And if

1:50:19legislation comes from place

1:50:20that is not grounded in a full

1:50:21and deep understanding of how

1:50:24the police department works

1:50:25and how they operate, how they

1:50:25use their technology, what

1:50:27their needs are from public

1:50:28safety's perspective as well.

1:50:30And we end up doing a lot of

1:50:33cleanup work in the

1:50:33legislative process at a lot

1:50:34of. Answer questions that if

1:50:39you know, they're worth the

1:50:40done ahead of time or if the

1:50:41assembly had an opportunity to

1:50:42do deeper dives into APD

1:50:45operations police needs. And,

1:50:47you know, related issues, we

1:50:50wouldn't have to do that

1:50:50cleanup work. And so I think

1:50:51that the structure where there

1:50:55is a I view it as a peeping

1:50:57there to educate assembly

1:50:58members about how the

1:51:00department operates. I give

1:51:01you all the information that

1:51:03you need. You always have

1:51:03really great questions, right?

1:51:05That dig into will you do

1:51:06this? But why do you do that?

1:51:07Help me understand and what

1:51:10tools you use to do it and you

1:51:11really need those tools. Are

1:51:12the different tools? Are there

1:51:13better tools could to try

1:51:15different way? And if you're

1:51:16able to ask those questions in

1:51:17this committee and have up

1:51:18there to answer them, plus

1:51:21Crisler is if you have legal

1:51:23questions about the country,

1:51:24borders of the law may be as

1:51:26they apply, think that would

1:51:27be very helpful to legislative

1:51:29process. So I think that doing

1:51:30this as an opportunity for. A

1:51:33few of, you know, court

1:51:34members who are on this

1:51:35committee to really become

1:51:36well educated about police

1:51:39operations here. And, you

1:51:40know, elsewhere, too, would

1:51:41beneficial to you. I myself

1:51:48next in the queue. It's

1:51:49brilliant. Thank you. I know

1:51:53after all of the time that

1:51:55I've said we should not do

1:51:56verbal amendments when can

1:51:57avoid it. I mean, a move, a

1:51:59verbal amendment. I've already

1:52:00mailed the clerk. This

1:52:01language.

1:52:01>> So I'll read it out. It is.

1:52:04So it is too. Lets see Section

1:52:08a page 3 section 2 line.

1:52:10sorry. It's. Page 3 section 3

1:52:16starting on line. 48, it would

1:52:17be to add a sentence that says

1:52:18the committee may refine and

1:52:19amend the scope by motion

1:52:21within a future meeting of

1:52:23this body consistent with the

1:52:24policy intent of Section 2 and

1:52:26I can speak to that if there's

1:52:27a second second. So the intent

1:52:34here is I'm hearing some

1:52:36concern. Our Orr's basically

1:52:37concerned that this can be too

1:52:38limiting. And I think it's

1:52:40clear when you read Section 2,

1:52:43this is the body of work that

1:52:44it's intended to do. Section 3

1:52:44says that this is the section

1:52:472 is the body of work is

1:52:48intended to do and it's

1:52:49attempting to separate out the

1:52:51public safety committees,

1:52:52general role and other

1:52:53standing committees from that

1:52:54work. So the proposal here is

1:52:56simply to allow some

1:52:57flexibility so that the

1:52:58committee, whichever members

1:52:59are serving on this committee,

1:53:01can make some amendments to

1:53:03the scope so that they don't

1:53:04feel hemmed in by the specific

1:53:06language here, but making sure

1:53:07that it doesn't go outside of

1:53:08the broad intent, which I

1:53:08think should be clear from

1:53:10reading. So that's that's the

1:53:11intent for the amendment.

1:53:18Yeah, and Mr. Want a second.

1:53:21So I'm I'm done. Speaking of

1:53:23the take back the So I see

1:53:24miss Overs in the Q. Would you

1:53:25like to speak to that

1:53:25amendment? I was in for the

1:53:29main motion, but I think I

1:53:30speak to the amendment. Also

1:53:31sure.

1:53:33>> So I think my question

1:53:34about your amendment is so.

1:53:37Member Press Verdia has put

1:53:38forward this. And he's put

1:53:42forward the scope of work.

1:53:43That he is.

1:53:47>> Willing and wanting to take

1:53:48on. And so I think what you're

1:53:54suggesting with this amendment

1:53:54that we do here is that we say

1:53:56pie. Vote of the majority. We

1:54:01can tell member Press Verdia

1:54:03to take on more scope. And I

1:54:08don't think that's fair. So I

1:54:13guess I don't really support

1:54:14this amendment. I think maybe

1:54:17if I'm understanding this

1:54:17wrong, you can. Speak a little

1:54:21more on it. But but the way I

1:54:22understand it is this

1:54:23amendment would kind of force

1:54:26number president to take on

1:54:27more scope. Then what he?

1:54:30Initially proposed. If

1:54:32assembly votes that

1:54:37>> just really speak. So my my

1:54:38intent with this amendment is

1:54:40simply to allow some

1:54:41flexibility, recognizing that.

1:54:42I think that the topics are

1:54:43clear in section 2. But if

1:54:45there is, you know,

1:54:48information or whatever it is.

1:54:49So it's a recognized the

1:54:50concern that it could, you

1:54:52know, the potentially that the

1:54:53chair of this committee could

1:54:54get over old enough. I'll be

1:54:55cleared to when I say this

1:54:56body. I mean, the committee

1:54:57contemplating this ordinance,

1:54:58not the full assembly. And so

1:55:00as to allow some flexibility

1:55:01was in the guardrails that are

1:55:02already there is the intent.

1:55:08Okay. Anything for them over.

1:55:11Okay. Monday on the amendment.

1:55:13I I believe you just answer my

1:55:17question about the intent of

1:55:19the phrase this body. I was

1:55:20unclear if that was the

1:55:21assembly or the committee. But

1:55:21I think what I just heard you

1:55:22say

1:55:23>> is that you intend for the

1:55:25body to reference the

1:55:26committee. Is that correct?

1:55:27Yes, that's correct.

1:55:28Excellent. Thank you. Okay.

1:55:33And then I over CNN acute on

1:55:34the amendment with OK, just on

1:55:35the main. So I don't see any

1:55:36members in the queue on the

1:55:37amendment. So members may

1:55:38proceed to vote on the

1:55:38amendment.

1:55:41>> And how does the

1:55:42representative vote on this

1:55:43amendment?

1:56:01Okay. And a vote of

1:56:0210 to one on the amendment

1:56:03passes. We're back on the main

1:56:04motion as amended and

1:56:05excitement. Silvers in the

1:56:05queue.

1:56:13>> Yeah. So I guess what we're

1:56:15discussing before. We got to

1:56:15that amendment. Any member can

1:56:19bring any policy they want at

1:56:23any time they can talk to

1:56:24whoever they want in

1:56:24developing that policy. You

1:56:30know, and in the end, it's the

1:56:30will of the body, whether it

1:56:31passes or not. Apd will be the

1:56:36people who are at working

1:56:39under the policy. And I think

1:56:42a lot of these discussions,

1:56:44they are the experts in the

1:56:46room when it comes to

1:56:49understanding the technology

1:56:52that we're using and the way

1:56:53that we use it and a lot of

1:56:55items that we're discussing.

1:56:58I'm so I'm happy to have them

1:56:59be a part of. This ad hoc

1:57:02committee. And, you know, I

1:57:05think if anybody wants to hear

1:57:07from other people, I'm I'm

1:57:09happy to do that as well. But

1:57:11I think, you know, any anybody

1:57:13can talk to anybody they want

1:57:14in developing their policy and

1:57:15invite. You know who they

1:57:17want. To inform policymaking.

1:57:21Okay. Thanks.

1:57:25>> I don't see any other

1:57:26members in the queue. So

1:57:28members may proceed to vote

1:57:29again. We are on the motion to

1:57:30approve this item as amended.

1:57:33And how does the U.S.

1:57:33Representative vote? Members

1:57:37may proceed to vote?

1:57:51Can a

1:57:51vote of 10 to one Our so, you

1:57:57know, have it in for me. AR

1:57:582026. Through 28 passes the

1:57:58body. So next, we'll move on.

1:58:03We have a couple more items in

1:58:04our consent agenda. The first

1:58:06one is item 10 D tensile. Read

1:58:07that one out. That is AM 7, 2,

1:58:114, 2026 Commission on salaries

1:58:13and monuments, Mr. require

1:58:15appointment. So this was

1:58:16pulled Mr. Handling. Moved to

1:58:18approve. It must approved by

1:58:24Mr. And on second by Miss

1:58:25County and

1:58:27>> Yeah. So I just had some

1:58:28questions for the

1:58:29ministrations. The

1:58:31administration, as I was kind

1:58:32of looking up, Mr. Gregg, R

1:58:36kind of past involvement with

1:58:40the municipality on the

1:58:42company that he is that.

1:58:46President the owner and CEO

1:58:48for it list specifically that

1:58:49the municipality of Anchorage.

1:58:51So his past clients as the

1:58:51municipality of Anchorage

1:58:52office of the mayor and the

1:58:55Anchorage Assembly

1:58:56specifically called out on

1:58:57that. And just because this is

1:59:00something that is involving

1:59:02the committee that's going to

1:59:03set. The mayor, Sally, the

1:59:06assembly salary, the school

1:59:06board was there any concern

1:59:09did or did that go through any

1:59:11kind of legal analysis on

1:59:12that?

1:59:19>> turn to me manager or all

1:59:21right? Let's say we the sleek

1:59:22rain coming up. A loan through

1:59:28the chair. She simply green

1:59:29chief staff to Mayor France.

1:59:33We do background checks and

1:59:35have people can disclose any

1:59:36potential conflicts of

1:59:38interest for this gentleman.

1:59:40He currently at least I can

1:59:41speak for the mayor's office

1:59:43is not doing any consulting

1:59:45work for the mayor's office

1:59:45and at least under Mayor

1:59:49LaFrance. I cannot recall a

1:59:51time when he has worked for

1:59:53this mayor. So I know PGS has

1:59:56done consulting for former

1:59:58mayors. This gentleman was not

2:00:00the lead consultant in my

2:00:02previous time with the mayor's

2:00:04office. So I I can't speak for

2:00:08Mayor Bronson if maybe he did

2:00:09consulting for the mayor's

2:00:10office at that time and then I

2:00:12would leave that to the

2:00:12assembly to speak for any

2:00:13consulting work that done for

2:00:14that.

2:00:17>> Yeah, maybe this is to

2:00:18check at me. I looked I mean,

2:00:19it looks like there was a

2:00:22assembly last year at this

2:00:24time where he was a

2:00:25facilitator. And so I just the

2:00:29perception I don't want it to

2:00:31Look like we are, I guess

2:00:33hiring someone who and giving

2:00:35them money and then they are

2:00:38city are salary commissions

2:00:38that just kind of rate reason

2:00:39that as a potential concern.

2:00:42Yeah, thank you. And I can

2:00:43just speak to that retreat. So

2:00:44I was not a chair at the time.

2:00:46So I did not secure that

2:00:47contractor was Vice Chair but

2:00:47was not involved in that

2:00:49procurement.

2:00:50>> My understanding, though,

2:00:51is it was a onetime contract

2:00:52was for November 2025. To

2:00:55facilitate a strategic

2:00:55planning retreat. To my I

2:00:58don't what we really don't at

2:00:58this summit. We don't have

2:00:59any. Ongoing contracts that

2:01:03I'm aware of other than we

2:01:04have a legal services contract

2:01:06is about to end that we are

2:01:06not actively Marco cars not on

2:01:09contract with us. And then

2:01:11also note that this

2:01:12appointment is from the

2:01:13mayor's office. And so to my

2:01:14knowledge, no one in the

2:01:16legislative branches had

2:01:17direct involvement in this

2:01:18appointment until it came to

2:01:18us for confirmation. and then

2:01:22one

2:01:26>> if if I'm a man, just threw

2:01:27the chair example, green one

2:01:28clarification I was answering

2:01:32a question about his

2:01:33relationship with the mayor's

2:01:35office. He currently is on

2:01:38contract. I'm facilitating the

2:01:40leadership directors training

2:01:41through a juror. And the

2:01:44municipal manager can speak

2:01:45more to that. If you would

2:01:46like. Would you like an answer

2:01:51from the museum? Yeah. I mean,

2:01:52if anything I got because I

2:01:53was one of the things that I

2:01:54was going to bring up here. It

2:01:54looks like it's a

2:01:59>> $86,000 contract yet

2:02:00through HR. And just I mean,

2:02:01this was in our binder. Hear

2:02:04from from January, believe.

2:02:08And so I'd like know little

2:02:09bit more about the leadership

2:02:10development program. What I

2:02:12guess that includes that the

2:02:14mayor's office, maybe a little

2:02:15bit more info on that. Thanks,

2:02:16miss Frozen.

2:02:20>> I think you to the chair to

2:02:21member handle and happy to

2:02:23oblige. I was looking for the

2:02:25history again. believe we did

2:02:26a full request for proposals

2:02:28for leadership training which

2:02:29came out of the very leora

2:02:32survey that we received when

2:02:33we started the administration

2:02:34in 2024, there was an

2:02:34identified need for greater

2:02:36supervisory and leadership

2:02:38training. I know that there

2:02:41were multiple vendors that

2:02:42were contacted and I believe

2:02:43he's from professional growth

2:02:44systems came out in a request

2:02:46for proposal process by can

2:02:47verify that there are a number

2:02:49of different training cohorts

2:02:52that have completed that

2:02:53training. I actually do not

2:02:54know as I sit here now with

2:02:56air is future training to be

2:02:57had. And I am not certain

2:02:58whether anyone from the

2:03:00mayor's office specifically

2:03:00participated in that training.

2:03:01Generally, I would say. And

2:03:05there are a number of people

2:03:06who serve a municipal boards

2:03:07and commissions in various

2:03:09capacities who have had some

2:03:10interaction with the

2:03:10municipality, whether

2:03:11professionally or otherwise. I

2:03:13don't think that we're in the

2:03:14land of a formal ethics code

2:03:16issue. Certainly the municipal

2:03:17attorney or others council

2:03:18could opine on that. But I

2:03:21will say that certainly that

2:03:22to my understanding the

2:03:23mayor's office actually didn't

2:03:24have any involvement in the

2:03:26selection of professional

2:03:27growth systems as the provider

2:03:28of the leadership training

2:03:30program. And as you can see,

2:03:31there was actually not even an

2:03:33awareness in the mayor's

2:03:35office that that had occurred

2:03:35as part of nomination to the

2:03:37salaries in the monuments

2:03:38Commission.

2:03:43>> Yeah, so I mean, I would

2:03:43defer to the I mean, city

2:03:45attorney here. If.

2:03:50>> If she doesn't see, I guess

2:03:51any potential in issue with

2:03:54this. I just didn't want to

2:03:55have it where I guess to some

2:03:56from aboard. And there's

2:03:57numerous conflicts. And so

2:03:57essentially they're conflict

2:03:58to that of.

2:04:00>> Their ability to do the

2:04:02job. And I understand that

2:04:04there are many people have

2:04:05municipal contracts, but this

2:04:06is one of the areas where it

2:04:09directly in the individuals

2:04:12who are doing the appointing

2:04:13and then approving that

2:04:13appointment our salaries

2:04:17there. And so I think that it

2:04:18does have a little bit of a

2:04:18heightened level of scrutiny

2:04:19on that part.

2:04:24>> Miss Carter, you like to

2:04:27respond?

2:04:27>> I think you don't see an

2:04:29automatic ethical issue or

2:04:30ethical conflict with this.

2:04:31And I think that if there were

2:04:33I in practice a high degree of

2:04:34recusals that were necessary

2:04:36then that could be probably

2:04:39addressed at that time. But

2:04:43I'm not I'm not seeing this is

2:04:44obvious conflict. And thank

2:04:46you. Okay myself in the queue

2:04:50for a question as probably

2:04:53thank Say the question for

2:04:54either a summit council or the

2:04:55attorney, can you? Because I

2:04:58just want to be clear, I have

2:04:59an assumption about what this

2:05:01commission covers.

2:05:02>> Can you be clear about what

2:05:02des? Over whose decisions that

2:05:06they make? So I know it's

2:05:06assembly members. Mayor school

2:05:09board members. Can you clarify

2:05:10that? So those are all elected

2:05:12officials. Are there any other

2:05:14determinations that this

2:05:15committee commission makes

2:05:18regarding salaries or benefits

2:05:19for any other folks who are

2:05:20not elected officials and

2:05:21within the municipality.

2:05:39>> going to give Ms Calder a

2:05:40few minutes to could help. But

2:05:42just for I don't think so.

2:05:43There functions pretty much

2:05:45it. And just to reduce the

2:05:47conditions that

2:05:51>> Yeah, and I think we can go

2:05:52to Miss Scout. But I think if

2:05:53I can get an answer, I just

2:05:54want to make sure that we

2:05:54consult code or make sure that

2:05:56there's that. That answer is

2:05:57clear. If they are only making

2:05:59decisions about salaries and

2:06:01benefits for elected officials

2:06:01or if they have any other

2:06:02function that relates to any

2:06:03other municipal employees. But

2:06:05I'm going to go next to Miss

2:06:06Scout. And then I'll just it

2:06:10council or Carter can get in

2:06:11the queue later to answer that

2:06:11when you're ready go.

2:06:13>> Thank I appreciate. Member

2:06:18handle and bringing this up

2:06:20because I I do see I do have

2:06:21some concern about somebody

2:06:26sitting on a commission that

2:06:27makes recommendations about

2:06:28our salary and then if from

2:06:32comes before us again for a

2:06:34contract. What that looks like

2:06:35on the flip side to in terms

2:06:36of that. From being able to

2:06:39receive a contract, if. They

2:06:42influence on. How much we make

2:06:46and the benefits we receive.

2:06:47I'm curious. Whether there's

2:06:51potential too. Postponements

2:06:55and get an opinion from the

2:06:55ethics board. About the

2:06:57situation. I guess that's a

2:07:03question either chair any of

2:07:04our legal counsel. Whether

2:07:07this would be appropriate for

2:07:08an ethics board opinion.

2:07:14>> Yeah, I think those folks

2:07:16are doing some research. I

2:07:17will note that this

2:07:17commission. I can't I know

2:07:22they don't meet monthly. I

2:07:23don't know the last time they

2:07:25met. So I guess the of the

2:07:26main thing is there's a

2:07:27vacancy. So generally

2:07:28speaking, if they can't make

2:07:29that can be an issue. But I

2:07:31genuinely don't know if they

2:07:32have an upcoming meeting. If

2:07:33this vacancy is critical for

2:07:34quorum. So I but I think

2:07:37attorneys are looking at

2:07:38that's made they can speak to

2:07:38that.

2:07:55Okay. And what attorneys

2:07:56are also actually going to

2:07:57turn to the clerk, if you can

2:07:58speak to who staff this

2:07:59commission, what their

2:08:00timeline us.

2:08:03>> clerks Office staff this

2:08:04commission their work is needs

2:08:06to be done. By fall. So like I

2:08:12think last met in August so

2:08:16that they can inform OMB for

2:08:16what the salaries are going to

2:08:18be for the next year's budget.

2:08:19So they do not have an

2:08:21upcoming meeting. I think the

2:08:23next time they would meet

2:08:23would be January 2. Organize.

2:08:34Any further questions.

2:08:34Miscount.

2:08:40>> I guess I'm still waiting

2:08:42to hear about this, whether it

2:08:43would be appropriate ask for

2:08:45an ethics fort opinion on this

2:08:45before we vote.

2:08:48>> Okay. council ready to

2:08:51respond? just as the one

2:08:52attorneys now trying to answer

2:08:54the 2 previous questions. I

2:08:55think by default, I have to

2:08:56answer this the question of

2:08:58whether or not something is an

2:08:59appropriate question for

2:09:00export. I mean. Anytime you

2:09:04have a question about conflict

2:09:05of interest or anything like

2:09:06that, it's appropriate to they

2:09:09are the body to address those

2:09:11kind of questions. But whether

2:09:16the practicality of doing it

2:09:17is another question because I

2:09:19know and the charity alluded

2:09:20to this. They do have. Pretty

2:09:24robust stock it and I

2:09:27understand they only meet once

2:09:28a month. So. I don't know. I

2:09:35can't speak to the

2:09:36practicality of referring

2:09:37something to them like this

2:09:37question. Okay. Thank you.

2:09:41Okay. note, the clerk does not

2:09:42have a specific answer to

2:09:45should send be sent to the

2:09:46ethics board. if you want to

2:09:47explain kind of what happens

2:09:48with commissioners.

2:09:49>> Well, if you remember every

2:09:52you guys and all members of

2:09:53all boards and commissions

2:09:55feel out a conflict of

2:09:56interest form that is

2:09:57submitted to the board of

2:09:58Ethics. So this board.

2:09:58>> Also. Commission also sends

2:10:04those same conflict of

2:10:06interest forms to the board of

2:10:07Ethics. And so they would be

2:10:09revealing any conflict of

2:10:10interest that he would

2:10:11declare. I think attorneys are

2:10:18still working. So I will go

2:10:19next in the queue to Mr.

2:10:20Martinez. Thank you. Chair.

2:10:23couple of questions of

2:10:26clarification.

2:10:26>> Because there's an

2:10:27assertion here that I think is

2:10:30is intriguing. But I want to

2:10:31make sure we clarify. The

2:10:34actual power of of this

2:10:36particular commission in real

2:10:37time. The potential conflict

2:10:43as he's been identified, seems

2:10:44is Ben, whether or not people

2:10:48who have a contract with the

2:10:50municipality also have a role

2:10:51on determining salaries of the

2:10:52monuments. I think that's a

2:10:56fair question. But I think it

2:10:57deserves a little context and

2:11:01south to the administration to

2:11:02municipal attorney went to the

2:11:04the municipal manager just

2:11:07clarify or to the clerk, any

2:11:11anyone who feels like they are

2:11:12the most expert popcorn in.

2:11:16For confirmation. This

2:11:17commission makes

2:11:18recommendations. It does not

2:11:18make directives. Is that

2:11:20accurate? And who do they make

2:11:21recommendations to?

2:11:29>> mean, offer a bit of a

2:11:30lifeline to our attorneys. I

2:11:32think there's we have multiple

2:11:33questions that I think they're

2:11:35researching another option

2:11:36that we have at this moment is

2:11:37that we can set aside

2:11:39temporarily take up the next

2:11:41item, which is 10, D 18 and

2:11:42then come back to the site and

2:11:43we should give him a few

2:11:43minutes. I'm seeing some

2:11:44knots. so with that, I think

2:11:46we don't so. And then I see

2:11:49there's to folks in the Make a

2:11:50quick That's we don't a point

2:11:51of information. Yes, Missouri

2:11:53teen us what happened to my

2:11:56question. So I believe the

2:11:57attorneys are trying to

2:11:58research it and they have

2:11:59questions from 2 prior members

2:12:00as well. And so I think rather

2:12:00than us having the something

2:12:04that will respectfully, I

2:12:06don't know if that you've

2:12:06answered.

2:12:09>> Why I should have not. The

2:12:11floor anymore.

2:12:14>> All right. So I think my

2:12:15suggestion is that we can come

2:12:16back to this item exactly

2:12:17where we were in order to give

2:12:18the folks who are researching

2:12:20answers or if if so attorney

2:12:20has an answer right now, we

2:12:23can take that up. I try to

2:12:24manage the timing of the

2:12:25meeting. Chair. Do I have the

2:12:28floor too report? Or is it a

2:12:31point of continued

2:12:32information? I think you're

2:12:35welcome to response. My

2:12:37suggestion my request was to

2:12:39any of the above. So reckon

2:12:43I've recognized attorneys. I

2:12:45recognize the municipal

2:12:45manager also recognize the

2:12:46clerk.

2:12:48>> And so it seems that one of

2:12:49those groups can just give me

2:12:51a basic definition. Who does

2:12:53this commission make a

2:12:53recommendation to, in fact? I

2:13:00guess turn to the clerk to

2:13:00answer that specific question.

2:13:05>> They're not advisory. The

2:13:06commission is an empowered

2:13:07Board. So Iran powered

2:13:08commission so their decisions

2:13:09are final and the information

2:13:10is given to HR and on be

2:13:13directly.

2:13:16>> To continue on that. Are

2:13:19these decisions real time? Or

2:13:24they staggered in terms of the

2:13:25delay of implementation. That

2:13:27is, are they voting in real

2:13:29time on people who are

2:13:31currently serving and they

2:13:32have an impact immediately or

2:13:34is there another process by

2:13:35which the decisions that this

2:13:39commission makes is delay to

2:13:39its implementation. Yeah. Turn

2:13:42back to the court.

2:13:44>> my understanding that

2:13:47either the colder the charter

2:13:47requires that it be for the

2:13:50incoming elected. so when they

2:13:51make a decision, it would be

2:13:55in the fall for the incoming

2:13:56mayor or the.

2:13:57>> It would be in the fall for

2:14:00the incoming 6 family members

2:14:02or the next fall for the

2:14:03incoming 6 for the incoming

2:14:07school board. try to rotate

2:14:08every 3 years.

2:14:12>> Just for clarification. And

2:14:13I just wanted to identify the

2:14:14context of this inquiry, which

2:14:15is essentially. A conflict of

2:14:17interest, potential. And it's

2:14:19been identified that the

2:14:22members of this commission

2:14:24make recommendations that our

2:14:26going to happen. They're not.

2:14:30Discretionary, but they're not

2:14:31going to happen in real time

2:14:32for the current members of the

2:14:34elected bodies. You have to

2:14:35get essentially. It's for the

2:14:39new incoming members. And so

2:14:39the relationship of the of who

2:14:43of the contracts currently and

2:14:44the decisions of this, a

2:14:45monument are not necessarily

2:14:48connected. And I think that's

2:14:50an important part when we

2:14:51think of conflicts of interest

2:14:51and whether or not the the

2:14:54attorneys have a little bit

2:14:55more to say if there was a

2:14:58direct relationship, I could

2:14:59absolutely see the conflict of

2:15:00interest. And I don't think

2:15:02that there's I don't think

2:15:05that this is above scrutiny,

2:15:05but I don't know if the

2:15:06conflict of interest crosses

2:15:09that threshold when

2:15:09essentially people can vote on

2:15:11the salaries of assembly

2:15:12members, not in real time.

2:15:14What that means is if someone,

2:15:18if this commission votes today

2:15:19to increase the salary of

2:15:21assembly members, we would not

2:15:22get that salary increase.

2:15:24You'd have to new elected

2:15:24members would get that salary

2:15:26increase. So there's a delay

2:15:27in implementation. So they're

2:15:30not making real-time decisions

2:15:33that I don't know. don't know

2:15:34that that speaks to a conflict

2:15:35at that point. But thank you,

2:15:35chair. Okay. Next in the

2:15:40queue, Mr. Mccormick. Of a

2:15:45couple concerns with One of

2:15:47it, one of which is that this

2:15:48is coming up right now and

2:15:50we're having to figure this

2:15:51out on the spot. This should

2:15:52have come up and due diligence

2:15:53and it's a problem that it did

2:15:55not.

2:15:56>> The other is I do have a

2:16:00problem with the visible

2:16:01ethics of this and will it

2:16:02will bring a public trust

2:16:04issues when we say we have a

2:16:07person that makes their money

2:16:08off of contracts with the

2:16:09city, then sitting behind

2:16:10those decision makers setting

2:16:13the pay of those decision

2:16:15makers I get it's offset and

2:16:17like, yeah, you're gonna have

2:16:18to get reelected. If you're a

2:16:19have termed to be re-elected.

2:16:22But that pay could be yours.

2:16:23If you do get re-elected. I

2:16:26don't like the optics of it. I

2:16:27don't like the due diligence

2:16:27of this coming up now for

2:16:31those reasons, I'm not gonna

2:16:31be in support of this. Okay.

2:16:39Next, Mr. Gaunt.

2:16:42>> Thank you, Madam Chairman,

2:16:42move to postpone indefinitely.

2:16:49>> Okay. There's a motion to in

2:16:51Bowen second by Mister

2:16:52McCormick, once beat Mr. Bond

2:16:56>> Yes, I will just say, I

2:16:57think that there are

2:16:58unanswered questions to

2:16:59members have raised that the

2:17:02municipal attorney has some of

2:17:03the council can research and

2:17:07then perhaps an opportunity

2:17:08for the mayor to come back

2:17:09with this same item at later

2:17:12meeting.

2:17:29And in interim. I

2:17:33think there's also opportunity

2:17:35for the administration to

2:17:38confirm with this appointee

2:17:38that they wish to continue.

2:17:40With the appointment. Thank

2:17:42you. Madam Chair.

2:17:46>> Okay. So the motion is now

2:17:48to postpone indefinitely on go

2:17:49through the Q a spot Monday on

2:17:50this item. This motion. I

2:17:59think I would like to direct

2:18:01my colleagues to Article 5

2:18:02Section 508 got.

2:18:03>> The and following.

2:18:10>> I Nic, Nasdaq on whether or

2:18:11not we postpone this

2:18:12indefinitely. But I think it's

2:18:13important to note that that

2:18:14particular section. It's very

2:18:18clear that a sitting

2:18:19commissioner cannot be

2:18:20employed by the municipality

2:18:22of Anchorage, which would

2:18:24indicate to me that contracts

2:18:25would also be prohibited

2:18:26during that same time frame. I

2:18:29think we've also heard that

2:18:30the ethics board reviews

2:18:32conflict of interest forms

2:18:33post appointment to ensure

2:18:34that there's not a conflict of

2:18:36interest someone has been

2:18:37appointed and confirmed by

2:18:38this body. And so in the event

2:18:39that the ethics board found

2:18:40that there was a Catholic,

2:18:42interest they would bring that

2:18:42information back to us.

2:18:45Additionally, I think it's

2:18:46worth noting that that section

2:18:49is clear. Again, that Article

2:18:505 Section 508 that it is very

2:18:55intentional. That decisions

2:18:56made by the salaries and

2:18:57millions commission do not

2:18:58affect sitting assembly

2:18:59members. I think I think

2:19:01that's an important piece of

2:19:01this to keep in mind as to

2:19:05whether Mister Gregg wires, a

2:19:05good fit for the science in

2:19:06the Mines Commission. I think

2:19:07that is a separate question

2:19:09but I'm I'm. Reasonably

2:19:13convinced that the protections

2:19:14that we currently have in it

2:19:15written in Article 5. And the

2:19:18process we have. With respect

2:19:20to the Ethics Board review. Of

2:19:23potential conflicts of

2:19:24interest is enough for me.

2:19:29feel pretty good about moving

2:19:30forward with this item as it's

2:19:32been constructed. For what

2:19:35it's worth friends. Thank you.

2:19:39Okay. And then I Ms Gardner in

2:19:42the Queue I think has some

2:19:43answers. If you like to

2:19:43provide. Thank you. Threw the

2:19:48chair. Just wanted know

2:19:49they've had a chance to review

2:19:51this particular section of

2:19:53charter,

2:19:54>> I they hadn't done that in

2:19:55advance, not realizing that

2:19:56may come up my understanding

2:19:58is that the there was an

2:20:01ethics ethics advice sought

2:20:01previously to this and that

2:20:05the ethics decision from an

2:20:06ethics officer was that there

2:20:07was not conflict under the

2:20:08ethics code with that said,

2:20:11that is a different question.

2:20:12Actually, tissue hear from

2:20:13most boards and commissions,

2:20:15there's a charter requirement

2:20:16is member Baldwin Day noted

2:20:18that members of this

2:20:20particular commission cannot

2:20:21be employed by the

2:20:22municipality. And I will just

2:20:24say I would like a little bit

2:20:26of time to look back and see

2:20:27if we have any prior legal

2:20:30opinions internally on what

2:20:32employed means in this

2:20:33context, whether it includes

2:20:33contracts does not include

2:20:34contracts. I'm not aware that

2:20:36that this this candidate has.

2:20:41Has open contracts with the

2:20:42municipality. If that if he

2:20:42does not, then I don't think

2:20:44there would be a question. But

2:20:45I do think that ensuring that

2:20:47he is aware of the river that

2:20:48he might not be able to either

2:20:51serve or have contracts with

2:20:52party during his term. Just

2:20:53confirm that that's

2:20:54communicated to him and that

2:20:55that is understood. So again,

2:20:58there was a Sara Lee and issue

2:21:00here. I'm for my partners must

2:21:02turning out. Appreciate

2:21:03postponement. Just to just to

2:21:05wrap up these loose ends,

2:21:06which may have already been

2:21:07addressed. Just for that, my

2:21:09knowledge and then come back

2:21:10at the next meeting and

2:21:11report. the side city. Okay.

2:21:18Next, Mr. Handling on the

2:21:19motion postpone indefinitely.

2:21:22>> Yeah. so on us on number.

2:21:2421 2026. List. This contract,

2:21:29the period of time from

2:21:31January 5th of this year to

2:21:32January 5th of next year. This

2:21:35is the $86,000 contract that

2:21:39was referenced. And so as I

2:21:40look at this, he is correct

2:21:42that his company is currently

2:21:44under contract. I'm not sure

2:21:45of the structure, the company,

2:21:45how if that there are

2:21:46employees of this. But I guess

2:21:50as I read this and with the

2:21:50Miss Baldwin days. That

2:21:55Section 5 there, if if this is

2:21:56set up more as a single member

2:21:59company and that I mean,

2:22:00that's kind in a in a salary

2:22:04range there. And so that would

2:22:05that would raise some concern

2:22:05for me. Okay. Next must park

2:22:13on the motion to postpone

2:22:15indefinitely. Yeah, my

2:22:16question. I guess I have

2:22:19>> a point of information.

2:22:20What would be the effect of

2:22:21the delay if this appointment

2:22:22is not me? So I think right

2:22:26now the motion is to postpone

2:22:27indefinitely. So essentially

2:22:29that C would remain vacant

2:22:30until a new person was brought

2:22:31forward for confirmation and

2:22:32are.

2:22:33>> Is appointed brought

2:22:33forward for confirmation.

2:22:37Would there be necessary work

2:22:38that is interrupted that would

2:22:40be accomplished? No, I think

2:22:42the clerk previously spoke

2:22:43that their next meeting is

2:22:44likely to be January and that

2:22:45they have completed their work

2:22:46for this calendar year. Thank

2:22:46you. Okay. Next, Mr. Martinez

2:22:50on the motion postpone

2:22:50indefinitely.

2:22:52>> No, I was going to follow

2:22:53up with the. response Thank

2:22:56you, chair.

2:22:59>> I don't have anyone else in

2:23:01mine. Now we have missed

2:23:01gardeners us on the motion to

2:23:03postpone indefinitely or is it

2:23:04answering questions that

2:23:04already been asked, OK?

2:23:09>> Threw the chair. Just

2:23:10wanted to comment on the

2:23:11motion to postpone

2:23:13indefinitely, rather a motion

2:23:14to just postpone to the next

2:23:15meeting. I think, Mike, just

2:23:16to clarify, Marcus was just a

2:23:17little bit of time to go back

2:23:19to get to this process a

2:23:19little bit more and see what

2:23:20questions were asked, what

2:23:21answers were given and if

2:23:24there actually is an issue and

2:23:25then report that back. And so

2:23:26I think that would be probably

2:23:27a more support, a motion to

2:23:29postpone to a future meeting

2:23:32rather than most of us put

2:23:32indefinitely, which understand

2:23:33mixes item go away. So that

2:23:35was just to clarify what what

2:23:36I was requesting here. Thank

2:23:38you. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, I

2:23:41don't know that the most

2:23:43potent definitely does not

2:23:45prevent a similar item being

2:23:46brought forward in future.

2:23:50Okay. Don't have anybody else

2:23:51in the queue for the postponed

2:23:53indefinitely. So members may

2:23:54proceed to vote on that item.

2:23:55>> Iran, that motion. And how

2:23:57does the U.S. representative?

2:24:19Ok on a vote of 10 to one and

2:24:22also Silvers had to step out.

2:24:23She will be back in a little

2:24:24bit. So she did not vote on

2:24:25this item on a vote 10 to one.

2:24:28This has been postponed

2:24:28indefinitely. As item 10 D 10.

2:24:33So next we have 2 more items

2:24:34in our consent agenda. So the

2:24:36next one is item 10, D 18.

2:24:40>> Those assembly member am 7,

2:24:426, 7, 4, 6, 2026

2:24:43recommendation of a ward of an

2:24:44idea. Que contract to provide

2:24:46an electronic health record

2:24:47system solution and

2:24:49implementation services with

2:24:50Sticks, LLC. This item was

2:24:51pulled by spot

2:24:54>> thank you, Move to move to

2:24:56acceptance. We not that

2:25:00different. second.

2:25:04>> Yeah, motion is to approve.

2:25:05So that was a move by father

2:25:07and a second by Mr. Vaughan

2:25:07Monday. Thank you. my

2:25:11apologies to the health

2:25:12department at. My brain did

2:25:15not connect to this with a

2:25:16separate question, which I

2:25:18think what I'd like to

2:25:19understand is whether this

2:25:21particular IQ is related to

2:25:24the work that we're doing. The

2:25:27at the overall health

2:25:28transformation. Grant to

2:25:30integrate our record, keeping

2:25:34across departments not just

2:25:35within the Anchorage health

2:25:36Department, wondering if this

2:25:36is the same project connected

2:25:38to that project. A separate

2:25:41project and how have these

2:25:42pieces are fitting together?

2:25:44Okay. I see we have our health

2:25:45department director Kimberly

2:25:46recipes compartments, Thank

2:25:48you. Thank you for the

2:25:50question through the chair. So

2:25:52this particular contract that

2:25:52we have here is just for the

2:25:54health department.

2:25:56>> So our Mr is extremely,

2:26:01extremely outdated. And so

2:26:02this is just upgrading that

2:26:05system now as it pertains to

2:26:06the rural health

2:26:08transformation, it is a part

2:26:09of that because in order for

2:26:09us to connect through the H I

2:26:11E which is the health

2:26:14information exchange, we need

2:26:15a functioning EHR to do so. So

2:26:18once we are able to upgrade or

2:26:20HR, connects for the H I E

2:26:22which is part of the real

2:26:23health transformation process

2:26:25that we are they connecting

2:26:26with fire and police. so it is

2:26:29a part of it. But this is

2:26:31wholly separate from that. We

2:26:35are using some of the funds

2:26:36Bureau health transformation

2:26:38as well. Super. Okay. I was I

2:26:40was wondering if that was the

2:26:40case. So just to recap to make

2:26:41sure that I'm clear here.

2:26:44>> So we are we're updating.

2:26:47The software that's currently

2:26:48being used at the health

2:26:50department so that it can

2:26:52integrate with the health

2:26:53Information Exchange that

2:26:54we're currently developing so

2:26:55that the health department,

2:26:56AfD and APD can Al aggregate

2:26:58public health data? that

2:27:01correct?

2:27:02>> Correct. Yes. And also as

2:27:04well with this EHR so it can

2:27:05reduce time that my staff

2:27:08takes chart wonder as well as

2:27:10increasing our billing ability

2:27:13currently. Right now, we don't

2:27:13have a huge capacity to Bill

2:27:17because of the system how long

2:27:18it takes for us to do so. So

2:27:20this will enhance just

2:27:24internal operations. Probably,

2:27:25you know, 200%.

2:27:29>> meant that sounds like a

2:27:30fish and government So thank

2:27:30you very much front question.

2:27:32Nothing further from chair.

2:27:33Thank you. Okay. opponent.

2:27:37>> Thank you. Madam Chair just

2:27:37say that seems like a lot of

2:27:38money, but as someone who has

2:27:42used several versions of

2:27:42electronic health record

2:27:44systems in my other career, I

2:27:48can certainly attest to. Some

2:27:49of them are more efficient

2:27:53than others. More user

2:27:53friendly than others. And it

2:27:54really does impact com staff

2:27:59capacity. Even small clinic.

2:27:59And I've worked in everything

2:28:00from small private practice,

2:28:01too large military hospitals,

2:28:07veterans hospitals. And so I

2:28:08definitely see a need for this

2:28:09and utility for thank you.

2:28:14>> I don't see any other

2:28:14members in the So thank you

2:28:19members like say, I'll ask, is

2:28:20there any objection to

2:28:20adoption of this resolution?

2:28:24Okay, seeing and hearing none.

2:28:25Then we will consider this

2:28:26item unanimously adopted.

2:28:28Approved. Clerk news one 0nd.

2:29:07On a unanimous vote. am a has

2:29:13been am 7, 4, 6, 2026 has been

2:29:17unanimously adopted. Next. We

2:29:18will move on and I'll just

2:29:18note we will make sure that we

2:29:20mark member silvers absent for

2:29:23that vote. So next. And last

2:29:25item on the consent agenda, we

2:29:26have information memorandum am

2:29:28one 94 2026 public comments

2:29:31regarding PCC case 2026, 0, 0,

2:29:338, 4, This item was pulled by

2:29:34Musk out.

2:29:37>> Thank you. I actually like

2:29:40service. We need motion end

2:29:47the day. Before doing that. I

2:29:50want move it later. Because I

2:29:53don't feel I'd like to move to

2:29:57change the order of the day

2:29:58and take up item 10 f one.

2:30:07>> I guess is you're looking

2:30:08through all suggest if the

2:30:09goal is to have additional

2:30:09time. This is our last item on

2:30:10the consent agenda. So after

2:30:14this will be doing the dinner

2:30:15break after order the meeting,

2:30:17if you'd like it to be taken

2:30:19up after is specific public

2:30:20hearing item, we can also do

2:30:21that. But those are just be

2:30:24more time. We would need to

2:30:24change that. Yes, I have

2:30:26somebody who was ready to

2:30:26speak on this item who had to

2:30:28leave actually to it, take

2:30:31some members of the community

2:30:33to Linda's place. He's going

2:30:34to come back at 7.45? So I'd

2:30:35love to take this up after

2:30:36dinner. Yeah, and I will not.

2:30:41There's not a public hearing

2:30:42item. So I assume your intent

2:30:43is to ask questions. Is that

2:30:44right? Yes, okay, OK? So then

2:30:47also just in the interest of

2:30:48time rather than changing the

2:30:49order that since this is the

2:30:50last item on the consent

2:30:51agenda. And it is a believe

2:30:53about 7, 7, 20. So I think

2:30:55realistically we won't be back

2:30:56on that item until 7.45 At

2:30:57least anyway. So so rather

2:31:02than us. So I guess was a move

2:31:02to accept and then we can just

2:31:04leave it. They are. And we'll

2:31:04come back to that item.

2:31:09there's a motion to accept

2:31:10from Scott. Was there a

2:31:10second? Okay. Second by Mr.

2:31:15Mccormick. So so we will note

2:31:18that we and we don't usually

2:31:19do leaving an item. In the

2:31:23middle of that. But we will

2:31:23set it aside and take it up

2:31:24after dinner. So then I will

2:31:27not the last thing that we

2:31:27should do today. So that

2:31:30mostly for the public's

2:31:30benefit for in terms of

2:31:31planning ahead too. Proposed.

2:31:36Some changes to the order of

2:31:36the agenda for our public

2:31:38hearing items. going to turn

2:31:39to Mr. Volland. Yes, Madam

2:31:47>> But a move to change the

2:31:48order of the day. In just one

2:31:530nd. Okay. Clerk is ready. Go

2:31:54ahead. No, I think for

2:32:01purposes of right now we

2:32:03setting tenant want to cite

2:32:04after dinner. So now we're

2:32:04going to move to change the

2:32:06Great. So with the change, the

2:32:08order of the day to take up

2:32:08the items in the following

2:32:09order. 11, a 11 through 14 Q.

2:32:2215, a 15 B. 11 C. 13, a bro

2:32:35back up to take remaining

2:32:35items and normal order. And

2:32:40can second, I'll speak to

2:32:41that. It's

2:32:45>> So the motion by Mr. Want

2:32:46to change. Ordered a second by

2:32:47miss following day. I will

2:32:48restate it again and we'll get

2:32:49up on the board. So that's

2:32:53changed. The order is to take

2:32:54up 11 B. 14, a through H or

2:32:59budget hearings and then 14, I

2:33:0014 Q. Our 2 licensing items 15

2:33:05and and essentially 11, see So

2:33:09so once we get back to 11,

2:33:10see, then we would take up

2:33:11essentially the rest of the

2:33:11agenda in order. Correct? And

2:33:15there was a motion of Mr

2:33:17Fonseka from a spot and they

2:33:17do want to be tough for Yes,

2:33:18in 11 b.

2:33:20>> Both of those items

2:33:20sponsors have. Said that they

2:33:24want to postpone. Either the

2:33:28special meeting or another

2:33:30regular meeting so we can

2:33:31dispense with those quickly

2:33:31tonight. 14. Through. H r

2:33:42budget items that we need to

2:33:42have our second public hearing

2:33:43on.

2:33:47>> 14, it's time that prop the

2:33:51property needs to be used for

2:33:52snow storage. And the snow. It

2:33:54can be flying any day now. And

2:33:57then 14 Q also 14 a mending

2:34:03hushed in my periphery to my

2:34:04snow premonitions 14 Q is also

2:34:09time sensitive because there

2:34:11is a a decision on by the

2:34:13regulatory Commission of

2:34:14Alaska that that item pertains

2:34:15to that it's imminent. 15, a

2:34:2015 be, of course, are licenses

2:34:20that are also time sensitive.

2:34:2411 C is and open item. We are

2:34:26currently working through and

2:34:30then It's an item that has

2:34:32been postponed quite a few

2:34:34times, but I think we can

2:34:35probably get through tonight

2:34:36if we get to it. Thank you.

2:34:36Madam Chair.

2:34:39>> Okay. Any further

2:34:40discussion okay. I don't see

2:34:46anyone in ask, is there any

2:34:48objection to changing the

2:34:48order of the day as stated and

2:34:49put up on the board? Martinez

2:34:53objection. Okay. So we will go

2:34:58to a vote. Some members may

2:34:59proceed to vote on this

2:34:59motion. And I ask, how does

2:35:02the U.S. representative? All

2:35:11right. I just accidentally hit

2:35:13that.

2:35:13>> Everyone vote. Yes. Button

2:35:14member handle and Amber

2:35:17Martinez. Number Kercher.

2:35:25Member, silvers. No. Member

2:35:32press Verdia. Yes. Chair

2:35:34Brawley. Yes. Vice Chair of

2:35:38oland. Yes. Member vote photo

2:35:40and a yes number scout. Yes.

2:35:45Member McCormick. Yes, number

2:35:47park. Yes. Member Johnson.

2:35:47Yes. And these represents.

2:36:00>> Okay. And a vote of 10 to

2:36:012. The order of the day has

2:36:01been changed accordingly. So

2:36:04as I said, we will take up 0

2:36:06point of order. Go ahead,

2:36:09Chris Ruddy, what your point

2:36:12order?

2:36:12>> It's my understanding that

2:36:13that you set aside an item

2:36:17that is an information item.

2:36:21For a member so that they

2:36:23could wait for someone to come

2:36:24up and to speak to that item,

2:36:25even though it's a it's not a

2:36:28public testimony item. I don't

2:36:32think that that's proper. And

2:36:34I'm I'm concerned about the

2:36:34precedent that that sense. So

2:36:37I just voice and and objection

2:36:40to that. I think that we need

2:36:41to proceed without item as

2:36:43normal. And I don't think it's

2:36:44proper to actually prepare

2:36:48information item and to have

2:36:49public tested a story on that

2:36:52item. So concerned about the

2:36:52action that that you took

2:36:55there. Thank you. I before

2:36:56rule on that point of order, I

2:36:58will ask briefly Misko is your

2:37:00intent to

2:37:02>> ask the person they are

2:37:02going to call up? Are they

2:37:04going to be answering

2:37:04informational questions? Are

2:37:05they providing testimony on

2:37:06this item? They're asking

2:37:09informational questions. Thank

2:37:10you. Are they responding to

2:37:12information? I'm asking

2:37:13informational questions that

2:37:13they will ideally respond to.

2:37:15Yes, it's not testimony. It's

2:37:19not supporting or opposing.

2:37:19It's an informational item,

2:37:22but this is the president of

2:37:24the Mountain View Community

2:37:25Council, which this PVC case

2:37:27is in that So I'd like to

2:37:30>> get his. Perspective on.

2:37:35Case and the testimony that's

2:37:36provided. informational item

2:37:41honored.

2:37:42>> I will also note

2:37:42considering this ruling. So

2:37:47this is regarding a

2:37:47conditional use permit, which

2:37:49is a decision, her whatever

2:37:52the table is entitled. 21,

2:37:53that is a decision of the

2:37:54planning and Zoning Commission

2:37:54and so I think we can take

2:37:59information. Certainly this is

2:37:59on our agenda as an

2:38:00informational item I guess

2:38:01that. The thing that I'm

2:38:06working through in real time

2:38:06is that this is not a decision

2:38:07that actually comes to the

2:38:08assembly. And and so and I'm

2:38:11not sure that the planning and

2:38:11zoning Commission with here

2:38:13the information unless they

2:38:14went back and watched our

2:38:15meetings. So

2:38:17>> I guess I'm gonna have to

2:38:18turn to. The attorneys. Is

2:38:23there. Does this cause any

2:38:26issue given again that this is

2:38:27not a decision of the

2:38:29assembly? But the statement is

2:38:29that this is a and also

2:38:34saying, no, there's folks in

2:38:34the queue. This is not a

2:38:35discussion its of its ruling

2:38:36on a point of order. And so my

2:38:39question to the attorneys

2:38:40doesn't cause any legal

2:38:41issues. If we invite a member

2:38:42of the public to answer

2:38:45questions on an informational

2:38:47item that is essentially part

2:38:48of the packet for a planning

2:38:48and zoning commission item

2:38:50that is pending. I believe

2:38:51this item is on the November

2:38:5114th meeting. I'm asking

2:38:56because I don't know the

2:38:56answer to that. Some looking

2:38:57to attorney guidance.

2:39:40>> Thank you for patience.

2:39:43Madam Chair. And so we just

2:39:44come forward and it's not

2:39:47particularly in the current

2:39:48issue, but he wants to cure

2:39:51him, just go in and were able

2:39:52to do so ups the re. It's

2:39:55basically that can cheer will

2:39:56mean yes, accept. The members

2:39:59posing to hear a guest.

2:40:01Speaker. And that would from

2:40:03the chair can be appealed to

2:40:04the bodies could vote yes,

2:40:04removing from Speaker

2:40:08>> Okay. Thank you. So I mean

2:40:08a rule on this particular

2:40:09point of order that I

2:40:12appreciate the concern. I

2:40:13mean, a rule that it will be

2:40:14in order to hear from this

2:40:16person. But I will say that it

2:40:17will be in response and

2:40:18providing information. 2

2:40:20questions that I will call it

2:40:22out of order. If there's if it

2:40:24starts to feel like there's

2:40:25testimony or something that

2:40:25needs to be presented to the

2:40:27planning and Zoning Commission

2:40:29so we can take that up after

2:40:31dinner. So so we will take it

2:40:32up at that time. And then I

2:40:33know we have one quick, very

2:40:36short item of business. I

2:40:37again turned to miscount

2:40:40different topic. Thank you.

2:40:41I'd like to take a moment of

2:40:41personal privilege. Okay.

2:40:44You're going to that moment. A

2:40:47person purpose. Thank you. I'd

2:40:48like to recognize members of

2:40:49the audience today from Shiloh

2:40:50Missionary Baptist Church.

2:40:54>> They're here as part of

2:40:55their civic engagement

2:40:57program. And I want to share a

2:40:58little bit about Shiloh, Miss

2:41:00Shiloh Baptist Church and my

2:41:03connection to it as well. The

2:41:06church was established in

2:41:081952. originally located on

2:41:098th Avenue. Now on 20th

2:41:13Avenue, it's always been a

2:41:14fixture in North Bank runs.

2:41:17It's the first Alaska Church

2:41:20to affiliate with the National

2:41:22Baptist Convention and the

2:41:24largest predominantly black

2:41:26church in Alaska. I have had

2:41:30the great pleasure in honor of

2:41:30attending the church along

2:41:31with my godmother.

2:41:33>> B, if you could wave.

2:41:35>> And the

2:41:40>> I grew up next door to

2:41:42being and she's spent a huge

2:41:43part of my life ever sense. I

2:41:46was born. And here's part of

2:41:48my own civic engagement and

2:41:49development and growth as a

2:41:52leader and this community. She

2:41:53someone I depend on often for

2:41:56advice and guidance in this

2:41:57role as as recently as this

2:42:00past weekend over So wanted to

2:42:04just recognize and thank the

2:42:06members of Shiloh Missionary

2:42:07Baptist Church for all that

2:42:08they do for our community.

2:42:13They provide number of great

2:42:14services, including furniture

2:42:15for people who have recently

2:42:17acquired housing and a lot of

2:42:21just wonderful community

2:42:21events. And so thank you all

2:42:22for being here for all of the

2:42:25contributions that you've And

2:42:26it's great to see

2:42:30>> Okay. Yes. Thank you church

2:42:32members being here. Okay. And

2:42:38with that, we are going to

2:42:40take our schedule dinner break

2:42:41so we will be back. Let's try

2:42:42to keep it to. 25 minutes and

2:42:47we'll be shortly before

2:42:4908:00PM. And at that point, we

2:42:49will start our public hearings

2:42:50on the budget starting or I'm

2:42:51sorry. before that, we will

2:42:52take up items. 11, D thank

2:42:53you.

2:43:00>> let's you orders. A members

2:43:02back any conversations you

2:43:03like to have, please take them

2:43:04outside and then we'll get

2:43:04started.

2:45:16Ok, everyone, let's

2:45:17call ourselves back to order.

2:45:18So is a reminder.

2:45:21>> We are shortly will be

2:45:22taking up our budget public

2:45:23hearings. But before that, we

2:45:24have a couple very brief

2:45:25items. Order of business and

2:45:28folks, remember, we were in

2:45:29the middle of item 10 f ones

2:45:31that say I am one 94 2026. And

2:45:35and so had there was a motion

2:45:36to accept on the floor by a

2:45:36scout second by. We have a

2:45:40written It's up there. Thank

2:45:42Mr. Mccormick. So I want turn

2:45:44back to MS CAO because I think

2:45:45we're in the middle of that

2:45:46discussion. Thank thank you

2:45:49for my colleagues. Patience

2:45:54with this item and

2:45:56understanding of we navigate

2:45:57informational items. But

2:46:02>> I have few questions about

2:46:05the case that this item

2:46:08pertains to and just wanted

2:46:11some information about the

2:46:12comments that provided and the

2:46:14case and actually wanted to

2:46:14start with some questions. 2,

2:46:17I think Director Dole, about.

2:46:22Where these comments come

2:46:24from. The overview of the

2:46:26process. But these are part of

2:46:30the description of the

2:46:31proposed changes and

2:46:32assembly's role here. If any.

2:46:36From talking this is Linda's

2:46:37place permanent change.

2:46:41>> Yeah. Thank you so and I

2:46:42know, Mr. Don't just walk back

2:46:43in the room. So we are on.

2:46:45These are additional know.

2:46:45It's So we are on the

2:46:46informational item and I but

2:46:49members Scott was asking was

2:46:50really clarification about the

2:46:51process. But if you could

2:46:52briefly describe where this is

2:46:53in in that process, as she

2:46:55said, and then I think there

2:46:55was some more substantive

2:46:57questions as well. But

2:46:58starting maybe with kind of

2:46:58wears the process and if and

2:47:01when the assembly will see a

2:47:02conditional use permit for

2:47:03approval. Threw the chair

2:47:08members scout. The conditional

2:47:08use program is a land use

2:47:11entitlement action to

2:47:11determine whether or not a

2:47:13given parcel can be used for a

2:47:15particular use going.

2:47:19>> And in doing that, that

2:47:20these are within the

2:47:21jurisdiction of the planning

2:47:22and Zoning Commission.

2:47:25Basically they had their first

2:47:26hearing at that hearing. The

2:47:28public comments that are in

2:47:30were provided to the Planning

2:47:31and Zoning Commission. As a

2:47:34lot of. Excuse me, public

2:47:38testimony as well there in

2:47:39terms of talk concerns from

2:47:41the neighbors. A lot of the

2:47:45questions came up also from

2:47:47the PCC, I attended that

2:47:51meeting as to the role of the

2:47:51PCC versus other municipal

2:47:54agencies and departments going

2:47:56forward. We're addressing

2:47:58those in a work session on

2:48:00December 7th to answer those

2:48:02PCC questions. And then on

2:48:04December 14th, the PCC will be

2:48:06voting to approve or

2:48:08disapprove. The conditional

2:48:10use permit when they do that,

2:48:12they have there's a 3rd option

2:48:16as well done as they may

2:48:16approve with conditions based

2:48:18upon the testimony they heard

2:48:18and if there's a belief that

2:48:23certain things need to be done

2:48:24to mitigate off-site impacts,

2:48:26they may put certain

2:48:27conditions on as well. So the

2:48:30planning and Zoning Commission

2:48:32will then make a decision on

2:48:33the see up. At that level.

2:48:38There is a possible appeal

2:48:39after that. But the they will

2:48:42adjudicate that it won't

2:48:43normally come to this body.

2:48:49>> Okay. Thank you. And just

2:48:50to clarify the December 7th

2:48:51work session is on the

2:48:52assembly work session or PCC.

2:48:57>> Threw the chair that that

2:48:57these PCC. This is a work

2:48:59session before the PCC

2:49:01Commission hearing on December

2:49:0214th to vote on it.

2:49:04>> That's very helpful. Thank

2:49:05And I'd like to. Mountain View

2:49:09Community Council President

2:49:09Phil. If I have. A few

2:49:14questions as well. Okay. Thank

2:49:20you.

2:49:21>> welcome, Mr. Khan and saw

2:49:22no microphone is not on, but I

2:49:23will also just reminds. For

2:49:26the benefit of everyone. This

2:49:27is not a time for public

2:49:30testimony. So it's really an

2:49:31response to member questions

2:49:32which may come from counter or

2:49:33any other members who get in

2:49:34the queue. Thank you.

2:49:37>> Thank So first, I want to

2:49:40confirm that.

2:49:40>> You are have you heard of

2:49:41all of the news? the December

2:49:457th work session December

2:49:4814th.

2:49:49>> Vote on the of the December

2:49:5014th Feeding ad. I'm not aware

2:49:53of the work session. Okay.

2:49:54Yeah. Thank you. And miss

2:49:57things. Okay. Thanks. And then

2:49:59the public comments that were

2:50:02provided for the past meeting

2:50:05when and how did you hear

2:50:06about the 5th? Is that meeting

2:50:09about changing permit of

2:50:12particular property. He said

2:50:17when and how did you hear

2:50:18about the pccc the

2:50:21>> I originally heard. About

2:50:25that previous PCC meeting

2:50:26where people offer testimony

2:50:35>> I don't know what but was

2:50:36like a day or 2 before the

2:50:37meeting actually happened.

2:50:37Someone sent it me and asked

2:50:39me if I knew about it. And I

2:50:40said, no, I didn't. But I

2:50:41also. Don't read all my

2:50:44e-mails, the timely fashion.

2:50:47>> Okay. Thank you. Not

2:50:51without Municipal staff are

2:50:52member of this house and went

2:50:53out on my community council

2:50:53taken aboard.

2:50:54>> Okay. Thank I think that's

2:50:59it from great help thanks.

2:51:05>> I don't see any other

2:51:07members in the queue. So I

2:51:09guess all ask for unanimous

2:51:09consent. Is there any of John

2:51:10a? Objection to acceptance of

2:51:15item. 10 of one. none than

2:51:21this item has been accepted

2:51:21into the record. So that takes

2:51:24us through our consent agenda.

2:51:25So now we're going to again

2:51:26briefly turned well. I think

2:51:30we turn back to a couple of

2:51:32unfinished items that I

2:51:33understand will be quick in

2:51:34this particular meeting. So

2:51:34we're going to move next to

2:51:37item 11. A that is 2026. 85.

2:51:40ordinance of the Anchorage

2:51:42Municipal Assembly, amending

2:51:44Anchorage Municipal Code

2:51:44title. 21 in order to create a

2:51:46new missing middle housing

2:51:48opportunity overlay to

2:51:49implement the of transit

2:51:50support of development

2:51:51quarters established by the

2:51:52increased 2040 land use plan.

2:51:55note there are multiple

2:51:55versions. There's a whole page

2:51:56worth of materials on this.

2:51:58And believe. There's no motion

2:52:02pending on this item. So what

2:52:03is above the body move to

2:52:06postpone to the special

2:52:08meeting of Friday. November

2:52:1013th seconds. Okay. There's a

2:52:15motion by miss pollen day to

2:52:15postpone this item to the

2:52:18meeting. A special meeting of

2:52:19Friday, November 13, second by

2:52:21Mister Von to be respond my

2:52:26co-sponsor and I are working

2:52:28on and that's one version. And

2:52:28we are looking forward to

2:52:29getting that in hands of

2:52:30members of the public.

2:52:30>> As quickly as possible and

2:52:33hopefully for your

2:52:33consideration next week. Thank

2:52:34you. Okay. Next to have in the

2:52:38QS overs.

2:52:46>> On Monday we received

2:52:47notice that there was going to

2:52:48be a special meeting. It had

2:52:52no information or what that

2:52:53meeting was going to cover. I

2:52:56assume the sponsors requested

2:52:57that meeting And because we

2:53:05didn't realize that we were

2:53:06weren't informed of the

2:53:07intentions to delay this until

2:53:08almost too. Pm today. And I

2:53:15just I really hate supporting

2:53:16last-minute changes like this.

2:53:17I think the body has an

2:53:19expectation they spend time.

2:53:22Getting ready to debate and

2:53:23vote on an item. And I think

2:53:25the public has an expectation

2:53:28as well. And they come out. To

2:53:32to watch things that have a

2:53:34great deal of interest like

2:53:35this decision. Are this

2:53:37discussion? Does. in Friday

2:53:38also. It's during work hours.

2:53:42And that really bothers me.

2:53:45Moving something that has this

2:53:46much. Public interest into

2:53:49work hours. going to be a no

2:53:53post pointing to a special

2:53:53meeting. I just I really like

2:53:57to see more notice for the

2:53:59body and for the public. And

2:54:02I'm bothered by the fact that

2:54:02it's being suggested to be

2:54:05held during the day. Thanks.

2:54:10>> Thanks. I just briefly

2:54:10respond in terms of the

2:54:11scheduling for the special

2:54:12meeting. I'm not speaking for

2:54:13the sponsors of this item when

2:54:16discussing the 21 public

2:54:18hearing items that are on our

2:54:19this meeting right now, in

2:54:21addition to the unfinished

2:54:22items, some of which are very

2:54:24substantive I had discussed

2:54:26with clerk's office and others

2:54:27kind of what what reasonable

2:54:30and feasible times for special

2:54:31meetings there might be. And

2:54:33so we did look at evenings

2:54:34next week. Next. Wednesday is

2:54:36a holiday on the Elevens. We

2:54:38have our budget meeting coming

2:54:38up and then we are quickly

2:54:39running into other holidays.

2:54:41And sometimes when we meet in

2:54:42this room, we have to pump

2:54:44another board or commission

2:54:45who regularly meets here. So

2:54:47so just in terms of the

2:54:48special meeting, we did not

2:54:49publish the agenda yet because

2:54:50the other intention is there.

2:54:52Maybe a few items that we

2:54:53don't get to tonight that we

2:54:55would send to that special

2:54:56meeting rather than sending

2:54:57them to the meeting where we

2:54:58vote on the budget or into our

2:54:59last 2 meetings of the year.

2:54:59So so just to state the for

2:55:03clarity, the intention was to

2:55:04make room for some of these

2:55:05items that we knew we wouldn't

2:55:06get to tonight. at least on

2:55:09that, her order of the timing

2:55:11next, Mr. Mccormick.

2:55:15>> Yeah. Agreeing with member

2:55:16silvers on the lack of

2:55:19>> notice for this meeting,

2:55:20this meeting being moved to

2:55:21the middle of the day on a

2:55:23Friday. It's not giving the

2:55:25public notice it limits the

2:55:28public's ability to testify on

2:55:30this again. Issue that's been

2:55:31heavily weighed in. Testimony

2:55:34from the public's been

2:55:36received on. And I can say

2:55:38that there's not enough notice

2:55:39for the public to attend

2:55:40because I also will have a

2:55:41conflict attending. I have

2:55:42scheduled patients during the

2:55:44day. They're not many

2:55:46psychiatric providers here in

2:55:47the city in a state with

2:55:49suicide rate 2 times, the

2:55:50national average. I have

2:55:51patients that I cannot move to

2:55:54attend a midday meeting on

2:55:55such short notice. Okay. Next,

2:55:58scope.

2:56:01>> Thank you. I'm 10 to sup.

2:56:08Whatever the sponsor and move

2:56:08for. Shares as current tension

2:56:11of voting on this.

2:56:12>> But I well. Share my

2:56:17agreement with member Silvers

2:56:18and actually share personal

2:56:20story that just yesterday I

2:56:22was having Midtown and group

2:56:28of canvassers who are college

2:56:30students that came up to me

2:56:30and said. Hey, you're on the

2:56:34Anchorage Assembly, you are

2:56:36talking up tomorrow, right?

2:56:37And I said yes, because that

2:56:39is the information that I had

2:56:43at that time. I've also

2:56:43received multiple e-mails from

2:56:46community groups urging tests

2:56:48urging testimony. Today. 4

2:56:52this item and I want to speak

2:56:53to gracious the sponsors have

2:56:57with this item. It's been

2:56:59deliberated for, I think,

2:57:00well, beyond a year now. I.

2:57:07think we've gotten out as much

2:57:08information as is probably

2:57:10humanly possible about this.

2:57:11And I hope we. Move to make

2:57:14decisions expeditiously. I am.

2:57:18But yeah, members, our of our

2:57:19community are watching this

2:57:20item closely. Our watching our

2:57:25decision on this closely and

2:57:26they deserve to have accurate

2:57:28and timely information about

2:57:29when and how to do that at a

2:57:30time that works for them.

2:57:31Thank you.

2:57:34>> Next, Mr. Martinez. Thank

2:57:36you, chair just. couple

2:57:42questions just to make sure

2:57:42I'm I'm I'm on the right

2:57:43legislative page with this

2:57:45particular item. What is the

2:57:47status of this particular

2:57:47ordinance? Is the public

2:57:48hearing still open closed? The

2:57:52hearing was closed on October

2:57:547th. Okay. Just wanted to

2:57:55confirm that. I thought it was

2:57:57closed, but it had been

2:57:57communicated that. The change

2:58:01of the meeting would not give

2:58:02people the ability to testify.

2:58:04And so I just wanted to be

2:58:06clear that we're not expecting

2:58:08testimony at this particular

2:58:09meeting. This is a

2:58:10deliberative meeting for the

2:58:11members of the assembly to

2:58:11work through. Is that? Fair,

2:58:15too? Make that assessment?

2:58:18>> Yeah, I would say any

2:58:19member has the ability to move

2:58:21to reopen a public hearing.

2:58:22But Edwin just close. We

2:58:22typically move to debate and

2:58:23then a vote. Okay. Thank you,

2:58:27chair. And and additionally, I

2:58:28just wanted to confirm the

2:58:29calendar date. I think. This

2:58:32body has had some degree of a

2:58:33practice of holding. Friday to

2:58:37know meeting Friday. Was that

2:58:39schedule for this? Particular

2:58:42day and again, chair, you

2:58:44describe that you worked with

2:58:45the clerk to kind of set this

2:58:46date as an opportunity. But

2:58:47was that? Before the date set?

2:58:50No meeting Friday. Friday, the

2:58:55November 13th was previously

2:58:56marked as a no meeting Friday.

2:59:00>> There's typically one per

2:59:01month and the following

2:59:03Friday, November 20th,

2:59:03multiple members will be out

2:59:04of town and then the following

2:59:06Friday after that is the day

2:59:07after Thanksgiving. And so I

2:59:08opted as the chair to make the

2:59:11movement to change a different

2:59:12meeting where multiple be.

2:59:14We'll be out of town to be the

2:59:14no meeting Friday. Different

2:59:16day.

2:59:20>> Yes, thank you, chair. And

2:59:21at that helps to clarify at

2:59:22least those 2 particular

2:59:23points of interest for myself

2:59:27I do support the postponement

2:59:29to another day, primarily for

2:59:31have an expedited nature

2:59:34today. Put a more opportunity

2:59:36that people in the public have

2:59:37had to continue to send us

2:59:39feedback. And we've taken that

2:59:40feedback and will working on

2:59:43another version or update with

2:59:45legal as well. So I think that

2:59:46there is. Some room here for

2:59:49this to not delay the urgency

2:59:53of the particular earth

2:59:55subject in the first place. I

2:59:57do recognize colleagues have.

3:00:03Sometimes varying interest in

3:00:06delaying a project or not

3:00:07seeing it delayed and seeing

3:00:07it kind of move a little

3:00:08faster. And I think that

3:00:10that's objective. And that's

3:00:12okay. But from my vantage

3:00:14point, I think this is a good

3:00:15idea, too. Give another week.

3:00:22Thank U next, Mr. Barker.

3:00:24Thank Madam Chair. I look, I

3:00:26support. Postponing this item

3:00:31as well. My my frustration is

3:00:32I think I would echo what

3:00:33member silvers in the corner

3:00:34Kuz said.

3:00:35>> This is in the middle of a

3:00:38a work day. And even if the

3:00:38public is here to talk isn't

3:00:40here, doesn't have an

3:00:41opportunity to testify. I have

3:00:43a job. Many other people in

3:00:44this body have jobs. And the

3:00:46constant. The constant strewn

3:00:54around with our schedules

3:00:54lately. It's just been really

3:00:55frustrating. Really hard to

3:00:59build like a consistent

3:01:00schedule and work on slate.

3:01:02Adding meetings and then

3:01:04everything in bizarre times

3:01:05here's the oath. There's

3:01:08nothing on our agenda that if

3:01:10it does not pass right away is

3:01:12going to be catastrophic. We

3:01:14have time. It's okay if this

3:01:16takes more time put it in

3:01:19regular order, put this into,

3:01:20you know, that next meeting

3:01:22after this one. Is budget. And

3:01:25then, you know, so, Kate,

3:01:27December 1st, we have to

3:01:29postpone stuff to December

3:01:30first continue to work through

3:01:31things and normal process but

3:01:32stop with the special

3:01:32meetings. Please for the love

3:01:34of God. polling day. Thank

3:01:43you, chair. I. I want to make

3:01:47clear to my colleagues at the

3:01:48the reason that we are asking

3:01:50for.

3:01:51>> Postponement is because we

3:01:52are trying to make this

3:01:55legislative process simpler,

3:01:55not more complex. There was a

3:02:00timing issue relative to the

3:02:01work session and finally being

3:02:03able to get some visibility on

3:02:05legislative intent for

3:02:05amendment since and substitute

3:02:06versions where? Either we were

3:02:10going to squeeze and a poorly

3:02:12developed s one version and

3:02:14laid on the table, which is

3:02:15not my preferred method of

3:02:15doing business or it was going

3:02:20as as it was presented to me,

3:02:21there was an opportunity for a

3:02:23special meeting to sort of

3:02:23relieve the pressure on our

3:02:26public hearing schedule, which

3:02:28we are. I think we're into 14

3:02:29our 10 minute. And also

3:02:33recognizing that we have a has

3:02:35a policing technology and

3:02:37surveillance ordinance that is

3:02:38before us and also pending

3:02:39action. And so the the hope

3:02:42was that we could streamline.

3:02:45The deliberation hot by

3:02:48incorporating parts of some of

3:02:49certain amendments by.

3:02:53Minimizing the amount of time

3:02:54we're going to need to spend

3:02:54making sausage on the dyess

3:02:56and also avoid laying on the

3:02:56table. We're we're trying to

3:03:02do this in a way that gives

3:03:05you and to the public the most

3:03:06possible visibility into. And

3:03:06that's one version before

3:03:08deliberation, if you would

3:03:09like, it is the well of this,

3:03:10that this body tune, move this

3:03:13to the meeting of December.

3:03:14First, I have no objection to

3:03:16that, but I want to be clear

3:03:18that we have a significant

3:03:19amount of business before us,

3:03:21including the budget, which is

3:03:22absolutely a time sensitive

3:03:24item and must be done at the

3:03:25last meeting of November. And

3:03:28we have a backlog of work that

3:03:29was sidelined over the summer

3:03:31while we were dealing with

3:03:33internal matters that took up

3:03:35quite a bit of time for

3:03:35council and others, including

3:03:36our legislative staff. And and

3:03:39so we we have I think

3:03:41collectively, I think we all

3:03:42need to take responsibility.

3:03:42We have collectively backed

3:03:43ourselves into a corner with

3:03:46respect to the volume of work

3:03:46that is before us now at the

3:03:47end of the year. And again and

3:03:51has now been over a two-year

3:03:53process. And at this point, if

3:03:54it needs to take another month

3:03:54to resolve, I'm okay with

3:03:55that. But I want to be very,

3:03:59very clear that the intention

3:04:01was not to lay. And as one

3:04:02version on the table and it

3:04:04was to try to streamline our

3:04:06deliberation and not end up

3:04:06with 17 minutes. I am very

3:04:11willing to move this to a

3:04:14different date that is

3:04:15satisfactory to other members.

3:04:16But it it is not because we

3:04:20are being capricious. It's

3:04:21because we're trying to be

3:04:22very intentional. I also want

3:04:24to be clear that. Friday

3:04:29meetings, I am not a fan of

3:04:31special meetings. I'm not a

3:04:32fan of special meetings during

3:04:32the middle of the day.

3:04:35However, I think we all

3:04:37understood when we said yes to

3:04:38this role that there was an

3:04:40expectation that Friday's

3:04:40we're going to be set aside

3:04:41for work. Sessions and also

3:04:42potentially. Ad hoc one off

3:04:46meetings when we have business

3:04:47to attend to and recognize

3:04:52that I have the great benefit

3:04:54of a very, very flexible

3:04:54schedule with my secondary

3:04:55work and not everyone has that

3:04:56flexibility, but also Friday's

3:04:59unless it no meeting Friday,

3:05:00there's an expectation that we

3:05:00are available to do the work

3:05:01of the city. think that

3:05:04deserves to be on the record

3:05:05as well. I think that's all

3:05:08for me. Thank you. Chair. next

3:05:10in the queue. I'm going to try

3:05:17to keep this to the

3:05:17postponement, but I would also

3:05:19offer I would very much invite

3:05:21and welcome other members to

3:05:25participate in one cycle of

3:05:26leadership meetings to

3:05:28understand the deaths of this

3:05:29job that is not visible to

3:05:31everyone else. Madam Chair, I

3:05:33would love. would love to do

3:05:34that. Instead of this constant

3:05:36point of really know are our

3:05:37point of order. One of the

3:05:38members, not one of

3:05:38>> Multiple points of order. I

3:05:39mean, a rule that that the

3:05:41member who spoke out to not

3:05:42have the floor. And so then I

3:05:47guess I will say I am open to

3:05:48doing a different special

3:05:49meeting in the.

3:05:50>> If we put another meeting

3:05:51in the evening, we are

3:05:54essentially asking our staff

3:05:54to work over time, which is

3:05:55partly what they signed up

3:05:57for. And we also have a duty

3:05:59to vote when items come before

3:06:01us. That some people

3:06:04prioritize. It is a secondary

3:06:05priority to their other job.

3:06:07Some of us are required by,

3:06:08for example, the chair

3:06:10position. I have to prioritize

3:06:11this over every other thing in

3:06:12my life. Essentially not all

3:06:15the time, but that's that's

3:06:16how this job works. And I

3:06:18remember sitting through I was

3:06:19just trying to count back many

3:06:22more special meetings in

3:06:23Twenty-twenty 3 when I started

3:06:23in 2024, our work load is

3:06:25actually less than when I

3:06:27started. If that that may be

3:06:29hard to believe that people

3:06:30who have set up 2023 and

3:06:31before that can remember those

3:06:32times. They are not fun. So I

3:06:34guess I will ask I did not

3:06:37receive any information from

3:06:38any members that they were not

3:06:40available for Friday. The 13th

3:06:42during the day, I would

3:06:43encourage folks to communicate

3:06:44with the clerk if you are not

3:06:45available and you cannot make

3:06:47those meetings and then I

3:06:48would also ask if there is an

3:06:48alternative evening between

3:06:51let's see what I don't think

3:06:52we can schedule one for

3:06:53tomorrow. We don't schedule

3:06:54one for for this Friday

3:06:55because we have to give proof

3:06:55plenty of notice. Monday, the

3:06:589th Tuesday, the 10th

3:07:02Wednesday, the 11th as a

3:07:03holiday Thursday, the 12th or

3:07:04if you would like to meet the

3:07:05evening of Friday, the 13th,

3:07:06I'm happy to do that. So I

3:07:07would ask what alternative we

3:07:10have because we are going into

3:07:11the budget season a holiday

3:07:14week. So we can also look at

3:07:15Monday. The 23rd Tuesday, the

3:07:1724th. So if I could get some

3:07:19guidance from other members

3:07:21offline, please send it to the

3:07:22clerk. Let me know what other

3:07:23days you are available because

3:07:24at some point this business

3:07:27needs to go and lest we want

3:07:28all of it to go to January.

3:07:29And most of it cannot. Most of

3:07:30it is not urgent. But the

3:07:34longer these things go on, the

3:07:35more that the other work

3:07:36stacks up. So I recognize that

3:07:37this is a little bit far

3:07:39beyond postponing this item.

3:07:40But I'm asking for help. In

3:07:44order for all of us to do the

3:07:45jobs that we were elected to

3:07:46do. I cannot Kerry all of the

3:07:50scheduling responsibility. I

3:07:51cannot read your minds. I

3:07:52don't know your work

3:07:53schedules. And sometimes I

3:07:53will ask you to prioritize

3:07:54this over your other job.

3:07:57Thank you. Madam Chair. Point

3:08:01of order.

3:08:01>> What is your point

3:08:01organist? And so on your

3:08:04ruling there, when the Vice

3:08:05Chair have had

3:08:07>> supposed to make the ruling

3:08:08on that.

3:08:09>> My understanding of the

3:08:10point of order that I heard

3:08:14from Mister Vice Chair Bell

3:08:15and was that the point of

3:08:15order was regarding somebody

3:08:16was speaking, who did not have

3:08:17the floor. So I was not aware

3:08:18that there was something

3:08:19called on the chair.

3:08:22>> What I'm saying is because

3:08:24you had the floor, you would

3:08:25pass the gavel to Vice Chair,

3:08:27I believe. And so he would be

3:08:28the one responsible for ruling

3:08:30on that. And so that it's just

3:08:31Robert's rules not trying to

3:08:34calling out Iran. But just for

3:08:36for further notice.

3:08:41>> Ok, thank you. It's good

3:08:41for your feedback. Yeah, I've

3:08:42been doing this job for 6

3:08:43months. I'm still learning a

3:08:43lot. Thanks next, Mr.

3:08:44Mccormick.

3:08:48>> Seem to be very overwhelmed

3:08:49by the schedule. No one

3:08:52reached out to question when

3:08:54the special meeting should be

3:08:55sent. I have no emails

3:08:58requesting when availability

3:08:59would be. I. I searched search

3:09:03e-mails from us search.

3:09:04Anything about special

3:09:05meeting? I have. So I would I

3:09:06had no idea that feedback was

3:09:08required to give to you. And

3:09:12if it's overwhelming, I'm so

3:09:13sorry we can reorganize

3:09:15tonight we can vote. It

3:09:16doesn't have to be this way.

3:09:17If it's too much. Let's

3:09:18reorganize right now.

3:09:22>> Okay. If it's not too much

3:09:23than will continue with you as

3:09:25the chair organizing because

3:09:27that is your wish. And that's

3:09:28who we voted on to have lead

3:09:29us on this. So don't

3:09:31understand the overwhelming

3:09:33there and I apologize. I did

3:09:36say Friday that there be

3:09:37testimony I heard in us one. I

3:09:38figured this was a very large

3:09:39item that has been going on on

3:09:40that. Maybe the public would

3:09:44have input on that. I

3:09:44apologize. This has been going

3:09:45on for quite a long time of

3:09:49year more if we count other

3:09:49names of this item, I don't

3:09:51see the timeliness of this. If

3:09:54we need to push till January

3:09:55pushes till January, we've

3:09:57been living with with. The

3:10:00crummy code existing as it is

3:10:04for a long enough. I get it's

3:10:05not it's my favorite either

3:10:05with this has been pushed and

3:10:06pushed and pushed. I want this

3:10:07done too. I just don't see the

3:10:11timeliness Russia. This is

3:10:11going to be such an issue to

3:10:12do a special meeting. There

3:10:16are things that have to get

3:10:16done. Yes, this is not one of

3:10:17them. There's others on the

3:10:18agenda that is not one of them

3:10:19and we can continue to push

3:10:20things down and maybe it will

3:10:21slow the tempo of the rapid

3:10:25fire introduction that we've

3:10:27had. And let's talk about more

3:10:28substantial things that need

3:10:30more time to look through I'm

3:10:34not debating on the merits of

3:10:35this again. I want.

3:10:37Corrections to to this code. I

3:10:38see that the flaws in it. I

3:10:40just don't see the timeliness

3:10:42rush. I think we can all slow

3:10:43down and take take a breath on

3:10:43this. Thank you. Madam Chair.

3:10:51>> You know, I have a little

3:10:51bit of a different perspective

3:10:53on this. When I saw the

3:10:53opportunity to have. A special

3:10:56meeting to have some. Lengthy

3:11:00deliberative conversation on

3:11:01this item that has. Then so

3:11:05much in the public sort of saw

3:11:06that as a blessing. I totally

3:11:10understand the frustration of

3:11:11having a second job of having

3:11:11other life obligations. But I

3:11:15will just say all in this job.

3:11:17I'm in my second term. Now

3:11:19we've had a lot of special

3:11:20meetings. It is not without

3:11:21precedent. You know, I've

3:11:23driven down to guard what what

3:11:25the whole team at one point to

3:11:28have a special work session

3:11:29and Girdwood. I mean, that is

3:11:32the demands of this And I

3:11:34think we are trying to hold

3:11:35that imbalance and Chevron,

3:11:39Ali and I and our leadership

3:11:40meetings have discussed a lot

3:11:42of How how do we balance this?

3:11:43How do we make this a job that

3:11:46working people who have real

3:11:46lives outside of us can do,

3:11:48but also meet the demand of

3:11:49the work product. I will also

3:11:51say If numbers are going

3:11:57introduce new staff and they

3:11:57want us to get to their new

3:11:58stuff, we have to get to the

3:11:59step we've already been

3:12:02working on and not, you member

3:12:04Baldwin Day mentioned the the

3:12:07budget items. also have new

3:12:09ordinances that members have

3:12:10brought forward that. Have

3:12:15their own time. When asked if

3:12:15they're going to make it onto

3:12:16the ballot. We have some some

3:12:17ballot props of people have

3:12:18proposed. And so the

3:12:19expectation can't be that your

3:12:21projects going to be

3:12:24essentially prioritized a time

3:12:25when while others have too. So

3:12:30we need to do this in an

3:12:30orderly fashion. We need to do

3:12:33it. Expediently and sometimes

3:12:35with that requires,

3:12:37unfortunately as extra

3:12:37meetings, I don't want any

3:12:38more than you do, but we are

3:12:39trying. that. I think I. I'm

3:12:47gonna call the question. one

3:12:55on the question of second by

3:12:55Mr. Mccormick, some members

3:12:56may proceed to vote.

3:12:58>> How does the U.S. member

3:12:59vote? This is calling the

3:13:00question on the motion to

3:13:00postpone to a time certain for

3:13:03the special meeting its

3:13:04currently scheduled for

3:13:04Friday. November 13th. Part of

3:13:10information share. believe

3:13:11that the the

3:13:13>> does it matter that the

3:13:14motion. Calls for postponement

3:13:18of the U.S. version? That

3:13:24underlie motion. I'm sorry.

3:13:26Yeah. Maybe the clerk and

3:13:27respond. military. Okay. think

3:13:39you can use. Everything gets

3:13:44moved forward. I didn't see

3:13:45that the U.S. was there. I

3:13:45apologize.

3:13:52>> strain on so actually with

3:13:55a call into question, the

3:13:55speaker is not allowed to make

3:13:57a speak on the item before

3:13:58hand.

3:14:04>> My understanding was the

3:14:05question was a point of

3:14:06information regarding what is

3:14:06on the screen. So I mean,

3:14:11really there that that person

3:14:12was not out of order.

3:14:15>> Number McCormick, can you

3:14:16vote?

3:14:23>> Okay. motion of 10 to the

3:14:24motion to call. The question

3:14:25has passed as a reminder that

3:14:26takes 8 votes. Now we're back

3:14:29on the last motion that we

3:14:29were on, which was postponing

3:14:31of the of this item. And I

3:14:34guess I apologize. I misspoke

3:14:36before. The only thing we're

3:14:36voting on before was calling

3:14:38the question. Now we're back

3:14:39to the motion to postpone to a

3:14:42time certain to postpone this

3:14:43item in its entirety to the

3:14:43meeting of November. 13th,

3:14:45especially of a November 13.

3:14:51Some members may proceed to

3:14:51vote. representative had vote.

3:15:13And Mark, I can see you're in

3:15:15the queue because we have

3:15:16called the question. I there's

3:15:17no further debate on this

3:15:17item. Just vote.

3:15:31Yeah. Sorry.

3:15:31State with the clerk said that

3:15:32the entire item, every version

3:15:33of it, all of these pieces of

3:15:33it moved to that meeting. On a

3:15:46motion of 8 to 4. This item

3:15:47has been postponed to the

3:15:49special meeting of Friday,

3:15:50November 13th. So next we're

3:15:54on to item 11 B. Turn the

3:15:56page. I love and the 2026.

3:16:041.20, an ordinance of the

3:16:05Anchorage Municipal Assembly,

3:16:07amending encouragement,

3:16:08chapter 3, 3, 0, personnel

3:16:10rules, part 2 and chapter 6.1

3:16:120 to require the number of

3:16:13full-time equivalent positions

3:16:14for each municipal Department

3:16:15office. An agency.

3:16:16>> Excluding utilities,

3:16:18enterprises to be included in

3:16:20improved in the annual general

3:16:21government operating budget

3:16:22and established as an upper

3:16:23limit require an approval

3:16:25procedure and reporting for

3:16:26exceeding that limit

3:16:26throughout the fiscal year.

3:16:30The public hearing on item was

3:16:31closed. There's no motion

3:16:31pending. What is the will of

3:16:32the body? Move to postpone the

3:16:35meeting of December? The 15th

3:16:36second. It is a motion from a

3:16:41spot to postpone this item to

3:16:42the meeting of December 15,

3:16:43second by Mr. Vaughan, to SB 2

3:16:46a further. Yes, we are working

3:16:47with.

3:16:50>> With the Department of Law

3:16:51and some other folks on the

3:16:53administrative side of the

3:16:55House, too produced a

3:16:56substitute version would like

3:16:59to also have an opportunity to

3:17:00host host a work session on

3:17:01this item. That sense of that

3:17:02has not happened yet. So we

3:17:03are giving ourselves a runway

3:17:04to do that. Thank you. Okay.

3:17:07Any other further discussions

3:17:08item? Is there any objection

3:17:13to postponing this item to the

3:17:14regular meeting of December?

3:17:1515th? Seeing hearing on this

3:17:20item is postponed to December

3:17:2215th. So next, we will move to

3:17:25our is our is folks. Remember

3:17:26our public hearing items so we

3:17:28will start with item And

3:17:30before we do that, I will read

3:17:31the reminders for public

3:17:33testimony and also asking

3:17:34folks are here for that item.

3:17:36That is 2026. 23 can start

3:17:36lining up to speak in the

3:17:40remind folks for all of our

3:17:41public testimony when you come

3:17:43forward, please state your

3:17:43name, the community Council or

3:17:44the area of the municipality

3:17:45in which you live. Please stay

3:17:48on. Police say on topic and

3:17:53direct comments to me or other

3:17:53people on the Dyess. And I

3:17:54will interrupt if you're off

3:17:55topic, you have 3 minutes. If

3:17:56you're a community council

3:17:58representative speaking on

3:17:58behalf of the council, you

3:17:59have 5 minutes and as a

3:18:02reminder, public testimony is

3:18:03the public's time to speak.

3:18:04Assembly members typically

3:18:04don't answer questions during

3:18:06this period but may address

3:18:07topics or seek more

3:18:08information during debate. So

3:18:10with that, I will turn to our

3:18:12first public hearing and that

3:18:13is 2026 1.23, ordinance of the

3:18:16municipality of Anchorage

3:18:18adopting in appropriating

3:18:19funds for the 2027 General

3:18:19Government operating budget

3:18:21for the municipality of

3:18:22Anchorage public hearing on

3:18:23this item is now open. First

3:18:25person, please come forward.

3:18:27Press the green button to turn

3:18:29the microphone on state, your

3:18:30name part of town and you'll

3:18:30have 3 minutes. Thanks very

3:18:36much. Good evening. Chair

3:18:36braly and members of the

3:18:38Assembly.

3:18:39>> My name is Tiffany Hall and

3:18:40the CEO of Recover Alaska,

3:18:42organization working to reduce

3:18:43the harms of alcohol across

3:18:44the state. And I live in the

3:18:47South Edition longtime

3:18:47resident of Anchorage.

3:18:50>> Thank you so much for the

3:18:51time and care. You put into

3:18:52this budget and that you will

3:18:53continue to before it passes

3:18:55in 2021, I testified before

3:18:57this body that no alcohol tax

3:19:00funding had gone to prevention

3:19:01and treatment of alcohol use

3:19:03disorder. And now, 5 years

3:19:05later, I am here to say it

3:19:07again since this tax started.

3:19:09Substance misuse prevention,

3:19:10treatment and mental health

3:19:12have received approximately

3:19:13$0.02 of every dollar in 2025.

3:19:170 in 2026. 0. And the proposed

3:19:212027 Budget 0.

3:19:25>> At that time, many of you

3:19:26are not assembly members yet

3:19:29only member president or is

3:19:30here. And now Mayor La France

3:19:32and of course cherub rally is

3:19:33fairly familiar with the

3:19:35campaign but recover. Alaska

3:19:37helped lead that campaign. I'm

3:19:38going to tell you a little bit

3:19:39about it. In 2019, the mayor's

3:19:40initiative, Ting. Institute

3:19:42Alcohol Sales tax. That the

3:19:46funding was dedicated to

3:19:47homelessness, failed at the

3:19:49ballot. So before we went

3:19:51back, we pulled encourage

3:19:53residents about what mattered

3:19:54most. They told us 2 things,

3:19:57protect kids and families from

3:19:57abuse and violence and help

3:19:59people get into treatment.

3:20:01Those were the strongest

3:20:03reasons people gave to vote.

3:20:03Yes, that's what voters were

3:20:04promised. I have some concerns

3:20:07today about 70% of this fun

3:20:09goes to homelessness. We

3:20:11support the work to shelter

3:20:12people in crisis and we

3:20:13respect the people doing it.

3:20:16But a shelter bed is where

3:20:17crisis lands. Not where it

3:20:19starts. If we only fund the

3:20:21end of the line, we will never

3:20:22reduce the need and we will

3:20:23keep paying for it over and

3:20:24over second, we worked with

3:20:27the Alaska Children's Trust on

3:20:29that campaign and we share

3:20:30their concerns about

3:20:32childcare, Pre-K and early

3:20:34literacy removed out of the

3:20:35alcohol tax funding and into

3:20:38the Ace Fund which voters

3:20:41created to expand child care,

3:20:42not backfill existing funding.

3:20:453rd settler organizations hold

3:20:47dedicated lines in the Alcohol

3:20:47Tax Fund currently, those

3:20:50lines began for good reasons

3:20:51when their federal funding

3:20:53changed and those services

3:20:55matter. But they're now

3:20:56carried forward automatically

3:20:57each year and they all respond

3:21:00after harm has occurred

3:21:01instead of working to prevent

3:21:02it before it happens, recover.

3:21:04Alaska respectfully asks the

3:21:05assembly to do 3 things. First

3:21:08fund, 2 million dollars in

3:21:09competitive community grants

3:21:11to reduce the harms of alcohol

3:21:15and fun prevention upstream

3:21:17prevention and treatment of

3:21:18substance use disorders.

3:21:22Second return, ASD Pre-K

3:21:22funding to the alcohol tax and

3:21:24reinstate early literacy. 3rd

3:21:27rebalance the fund to upstream

3:21:30prevention, not just

3:21:32homelessness. This tax is a

3:21:33once in a lifetime chance to

3:21:34fund prevention for the long

3:21:36haul. Please help make sure

3:21:37the budget reflects what made

3:21:37Oakridge voters say yes. Thank

3:21:39you very much for just 20.

3:21:42Thanks person. Please come

3:21:45forward state. Your name part

3:21:46of town and you'll have 3

3:21:47minutes. Microphone is on.

3:21:49>> Good evening, everyone. My

3:21:50name is Theresa Rovell AM

3:21:52director for policy and

3:21:52advocacy at the Alaska

3:21:54Children's Trust. I actually

3:21:56was recently moved. I was in

3:21:57the North Anchorage district

3:21:58and I'm in the East Anchorage

3:22:00Assembly District. I'm also

3:22:01here today to talk about Ace

3:22:04Fund and the alcohol tax we

3:22:08ask you to take a second look

3:22:09at how the alcohol tax in the

3:22:11Alaska childcare and early

3:22:12education sphon are allocated

3:22:15as a key funder and leader

3:22:16behind both ballot measures.

3:22:18The children's trust is a

3:22:18distinct understanding of

3:22:19these funds and what we

3:22:20promised voters, the alcohol

3:22:22tax was first voted on in 2018

3:22:24with the homeless U.S. focus

3:22:25and fell by nearly 8 points

3:22:27before the Texas relaunch for

3:22:29voter approval. Polling

3:22:30indicated that protecting kids

3:22:31from abuse and violence was

3:22:32the top reason to vote. Yes,

3:22:35the proposition was adjusted

3:22:35to represent what Anchorage

3:22:36residents wanted to support.

3:22:40Resulting in the measure

3:22:40passing in Twenty-twenty by

3:22:41nearly 3 points. Although

3:22:44voters wanted this fun to have

3:22:45a prevention focused since

3:22:462022. homelessness has

3:22:48consumed an average of 67% of

3:22:49the fund prevention is the

3:22:50average under 20% substance

3:22:54misuse a mental health

3:22:55treatment got 3.6 Fy 2022. To

3:22:572024. It is not seen

3:22:58investments from the fun

3:23:00sense, the upcoming fiscal

3:23:02year, 2027 Profar's proposes.

3:23:0469.5% for homelessness and

3:23:0712.9% for prevention from the

3:23:09alcohol tax in 2024. Voters

3:23:11created the Ace Fund expand

3:23:12child care, not replace

3:23:14existing funding. Part of

3:23:162024. The alcohol taxes used

3:23:17to pay for is these Pre-K

3:23:19investigating early literacy

3:23:20programs currently both have

3:23:22been moved over to Sphon to

3:23:23free up dollars for

3:23:23homelessness. Anderley surplus

3:23:25cover that cost shift this

3:23:27year. That surplus is gone.

3:23:31Keeping preschool in the ace

3:23:32fun drops buying power from

3:23:33over 7 million dollars to

3:23:33about 5 million a year. We

3:23:35support the city's work to

3:23:37shelter people in crisis. The

3:23:38crisis response alone can't

3:23:39keep up. Pathways into

3:23:43homeless to start early

3:23:45domestic violence, child abuse

3:23:46substance misuse. A lack of

3:23:47childcare can be attributing

3:23:47factors to families in crisis

3:23:49prevention cost less quality

3:23:51birth to 5 programs such as

3:23:52promoted through the Ace Fund

3:23:55return $6.30 to $7.30 for

3:23:56every dollar. Like building a

3:23:59tunnel. We need to dig from

3:24:01both directions in city urges

3:24:04the assembly to rebalance

3:24:05alcohol tax allocations

3:24:06towards prevention, return and

3:24:08preschool funding to the

3:24:08alcohol tax at the full

3:24:102 million dollars. So the it's

3:24:13going to be fully funded. Can

3:24:13they can fully fund the 5.2

3:24:15million plan as recommended by

3:24:16the board to the mayor? We

3:24:19additionally or is that early

3:24:19literacy funding returns, the

3:24:21alcohol tax, these steps on

3:24:23our what voters supported and

3:24:24worked to meet today's needs

3:24:24preventing tomorrow's

3:24:25challenges. Thank you very

3:24:26much. Thank Any additional

3:24:31folks in the room to testify?

3:24:33>> On the operating budget we

3:24:38do have one person signed up

3:24:38on the phone. Okay. looks like

3:24:48the person point. So let's

3:24:48please call State Powell. For

3:24:4914. A

3:25:10>> for kid.

3:25:14>> Heidi, this is chair

3:25:15Bradley with the Assembly.

3:25:16We're on public hearings for

3:25:17budget items. The first one is

3:25:192026 month. 23, the operating

3:25:22budget when you're ready. And

3:25:23if want to state your name a

3:25:24town 3 minutes.

3:25:30>> I managed with a nurse,

3:25:34testify my First, I want

3:25:35appreciate work lead permanent

3:25:36done to for services that are

3:25:39operating any of it on to

3:25:41instead medication of issues

3:25:46tax break because a of an act

3:25:4820 20 point norm regarding

3:25:49with next year's budget cuts

3:25:50might look like this could

3:25:51potentially look like a lot. A

3:25:54special unit from the police

3:25:55department like the hope

3:25:55mobile Internet. You too. I

3:25:59wouldn't be just want to rent

3:26:00car work with the hope. it

3:26:03first including responding to

3:26:04incidents involving a homeless

3:26:05youth I work with and it is an

3:26:06essential court. cop service

3:26:11city provide to provide better

3:26:12outcomes and avoided cost lack

3:26:15of wind guided run for the

3:26:15possibility of a If anything,

3:26:18we should be doing the

3:26:19opposite. Moving other If you

3:26:21budget which make up

3:26:21146 million dollars in oil.

3:26:23>> And the positions like hope

3:26:24to minimize Our officers, I'm

3:26:28sure do not want to and should

3:26:29not have to respond to

3:26:29everything on community. On

3:26:32note, I would also like to see

3:26:34continued investment next. And

3:26:35the next year's budget in the

3:26:36community Service officer

3:26:37program. I hurt him. I want

3:26:39both saying every every time a

3:26:42few minutes before community

3:26:43members responding to traffic

3:26:44incident and other top

3:26:44absolutely do not need to

3:26:45certainty.

3:26:49>> point out that haven't

3:26:52normal have occurred in the

3:26:54into the doing and the body

3:26:57report to the committee

3:26:57members are expected develop

3:26:58without legislator back up to

3:27:00I hope that the pay billion

3:27:01funding for stop the chopping

3:27:02block next year because

3:27:05control and should be

3:27:07expanded, cooperate, family

3:27:08members to make city their

3:27:09full-time job. Portland during

3:27:10that couple.

3:27:17>> Thanks for just man line.

3:27:18So anyone else in the room

3:27:18which testify? Anyone Okay.

3:27:22and

3:27:27>> move to continue the public

3:27:28hearing to the meeting of

3:27:29November 17th second.

3:27:32>> Motion by Mr. Going to

3:27:33continue the public to the

3:27:34meeting of number 17 second by

3:27:35Miss Baldwin Day. Is there any

3:27:40objection to adoption of this

3:27:40continuing hearing? Okay,

3:27:44seeing hearing on this item

3:27:45will be continue to the

3:27:47regular meeting of November.

3:27:4817th. Next, we will turn to

3:27:52item 14 be. 14 a 2026 1.24 An

3:28:01ordinance adopting the 2027

3:28:03General government government

3:28:04Capital improvement budget

3:28:06public hearing on this item is

3:28:07now open. Please come forward.

3:28:07If you wish to testify. Mike

3:28:16for his own state in part of

3:28:17town to have 3 minutes.

3:28:20>> my name is Kyle Rayburg. I

3:28:21live in District one and part

3:28:22of Northeast Community

3:28:23Council. And when we speak on

3:28:25behalf of them, but I won't

3:28:26need the full 5 minutes. I'm

3:28:28just here to say thank you for

3:28:29this budget. After looking

3:28:30over, sorry, I also do the cip

3:28:34for Northeast Community

3:28:35Council. So as able to see

3:28:36there are a couple of our

3:28:37projects on there for them.

3:28:39We're just really thankful for

3:28:40that. Someone that just took

3:28:42over for the Cip in the

3:28:42Community Council last year.

3:28:45That's just been great to see

3:28:45the process move along and

3:28:46just get to this conclusion.

3:28:49give a shout out to Chelsea

3:28:50Ward Waller who help me

3:28:52navigate and also the assembly

3:28:53members that helped so just a

3:28:56personal testimony to 4 other

3:28:57community council's out there

3:28:57that might be listening. The

3:28:59cip process does work

3:29:00hopefully guys are utilizing

3:29:01it. Thank you.

3:29:06>> When anyone else in the

3:29:06room wish to testify, please

3:29:07come forward. We do have one

3:29:11person signed up on the phone.

3:29:12Let's please call Mr. called

3:29:13Again.

3:29:26Hello Again. This is a

3:29:27chair Bradley. Again. We are

3:29:28now on testimony for 2026 one.

3:29:3124 the capital improvement

3:29:31budget. You'll have 3 minutes.

3:29:32Please proceed.

3:29:36>> I should call and I live in

3:29:37North Burnham test to come

3:29:37out.

3:29:40>> Read in the Capital

3:29:40Improvement budget. Give me a

3:29:41shred of hope to encourage has

3:29:42a great future because it like

3:29:44a demonstration of our growing

3:29:45up to out.

3:29:48>> I know value because it and

3:29:50the thing the hundreds of

3:29:50millions of dollars, the cap

3:29:51rock Parkview happened be

3:29:52pregnant. Correcting that by

3:29:53comparison, the operating

3:29:54budget feels like managed

3:29:57requirement that we have not

3:29:57allowed or copper pick up in a

3:29:58clerk of I know the TAC Cup

3:30:04and a period network, but

3:30:05we're prepared challenge

3:30:05authority and every pop pop on

3:30:06the people conducting are

3:30:07felt. The couple about 0.4

3:30:10million dollars energy

3:30:14efficiency upgrades money.

3:30:15Paid now to be earned. Back

3:30:16later quality of life. Benefit

3:30:17for that and member thing to

3:30:18it and direct copy background.

3:30:23What a wonderful thing would

3:30:24be to keep them alert new and

3:30:25property investment made in

3:30:26things like child care or

3:30:27crime. Crime prevention

3:30:29operating budget. There

3:30:30dividends and quality of life

3:30:30prevention. Adoption pop.

3:30:33Other members the public have

3:30:35occurred earlier. Things like

3:30:36copper nickel. So I hope that

3:30:40I begins for nectar budget

3:30:43that you think how to

3:30:45leverage. That's going to turn

3:30:45back to our how we can get

3:30:46creative about capital budget

3:30:47bomb making kind long term

3:30:49people like would be a perfect

3:30:50important. Thank you.

3:30:56>> Thank Anyone else wish to

3:30:57testify on this item. Moving

3:31:03continue the public hearing to

3:31:04the meeting of November 17th.

3:31:05>> Second.

3:31:08>> Motion by Mr. Going to

3:31:09continue the public hearing to

3:31:10November 7th, regular meeting

3:31:10of number 17. 0nd by miss part

3:31:12Monday. discussion on that?

3:31:17Any objection to continuing

3:31:18this hearing? Okay, seeing

3:31:23hearing none. Then we will

3:31:24continue the public hearing on

3:31:24this item to the many of

3:31:27members 17th next. move on to

3:31:28item 14 C but as our 2026 to

3:31:3374 a resolution adopting the

3:31:362027 to 2030 to get general

3:31:37government Capital improvement

3:31:39program. Public hearing on

3:31:41this item is now open. Please

3:31:41come forward if you wish

3:31:42testify. Anyone in the room.

3:31:48We do also have online Mr.

3:31:49Powell, again, please call

3:31:49missed out.

3:32:00>> Her that did.

3:32:03>> Chair Bradley again. We are

3:32:05now an item. 14 see resolution

3:32:07era 2026 to 74 the Capital

3:32:08Improvement program. Please

3:32:09proceed with your testimony.

3:32:13>> I the kid power over the

3:32:14find out myself. like to

3:32:17request that act and hearing

3:32:18that you're contributing for

3:32:19other members are commuted It

3:32:20has been

3:32:24>> Ok, thank think we're done

3:32:26with that. So anyone else that

3:32:31are much to testify last

3:32:31chance. Okay. Mr. Month.

3:32:36>> Move to continue public

3:32:37hearing to the meeting in

3:32:37November. 17th second. Most

3:32:41are going to continue hearing

3:32:42to November 17th.

3:32:44>> Second by Miss Baldwin Day,

3:32:45discussion on that? Any

3:32:48objection to continuing

3:32:48hearing? none. We will

3:32:53continue 14 Sierra 2026 to 74

3:32:54to the meaning of November.

3:32:5517th. Next. We have the public

3:33:00hearing on item 14 D

3:33:03Resolution AR 2026 to 75 a

3:33:04resolution adopting the 2027

3:33:05to 2030 to 6 year fiscal

3:33:07program. Public hearing on

3:33:08this item is now open. Please

3:33:09come forward. If you wish to

3:33:10testify. And I know we do not

3:33:15have anyone on the phone for

3:33:16this item, Mr. Gaunt.

3:33:19>> Move to continue the public

3:33:19hearing to the meeting and

3:33:20event November 17th second.

3:33:23>> Motion by Mr. Mri, Mr.

3:33:25Going to continue this hearing

3:33:26to November 17. 0nd by Miss

3:33:27Ball Monday. Any discussion.

3:33:30Any objection? Okay. This

3:33:34public hearing will be

3:33:34continue to November. 17th

3:33:36next. We'll move on to item 14

3:33:38E that is 2026 1.25 An

3:33:42ordinance adopting in

3:33:43appropriating funds for the

3:33:452027 Municipal Utilities and

3:33:46enterprise activities

3:33:47operating budgets and the 2027

3:33:50Municipal Utilities and

3:33:50Enterprise activities, capital

3:33:52improvement budgets. Public

3:33:54hearing on this item is now

3:33:55open. Please come forward if

3:33:55you wish to testify. And we

3:34:01don't have anyone signed up on

3:34:01the phone so Mr. Month.

3:34:03>> Move to continue the public

3:34:05hearing King November, 17th

3:34:09second.

3:34:10>> Okay. Motion by Mr.

3:34:10Hollande to continue the

3:34:11public hearing of the 17. 0nd

3:34:12by Miss Baldwin Day. Any

3:34:13discussion? Any objection?

3:34:16Okay. hearing is also continue

3:34:17to the meeting in November.

3:34:1917th next item 14 resolution

3:34:21AR 2026. To 76 resolution

3:34:24approving the 2027 to 2032

3:34:28municipal utilities and

3:34:28enterprise activities. Capital

3:34:30improvement programs. Public

3:34:31hearing on this item is now

3:34:32open. Please come forward if

3:34:33you wish to testify. We don't

3:34:38have anyone signed up for this

3:34:38one on the phone. So Mr.

3:34:39Gaunt.

3:34:43>> continue public hearing to

3:34:43the meeting November.

3:34:49>> Okay. Motion to continue

3:34:49the hearing. The 17th by Mr.

3:34:51Vaughan, second members, any

3:34:52discussion, any objection also

3:34:53going were speeding up here.

3:34:57Okay. Next 2026. 1.26 An

3:34:59ordinance adopting in

3:35:00appropriating funds for the

3:35:032027 operating and capital

3:35:03budgets of Anchorage Community

3:35:05Development Authority public

3:35:06hearing on item is now open.

3:35:06Please come forward if you

3:35:07wish to testify. Ok, don't see

3:35:16anyone in the room so we call

3:35:17our person on the phone, Ms

3:35:17Melanie Hooper. Please call.

3:35:20>> Your call has bit.

3:35:33>> Okay. We were not able to

3:35:34reach that person. Spoiler. We

3:35:36are likely to continue the

3:35:37public hearing so we will

3:35:37communicate with them and try

3:35:40again. there's no one else in

3:35:41time to testify. So Mr. Bond.

3:35:44>> Move to continue the public

3:35:45hearing to the meeting of

3:35:46November 17th.

3:35:54>> Mr. Going to continue the

3:35:55public hearing to November

3:35:56second by miss. Monday, any

3:35:58discussion? Any objection?

3:36:01Okay. This is also continue to

3:36:02the meeting of November 17th

3:36:04next. And last of our budget

3:36:06items is 2026 1.27 In

3:36:09ordinance. Amending the

3:36:10Anchorage Municipal Code

3:36:11chapters. 1, 3, 5, 3, deaths

3:36:14to 0, 3, to 3, 0 relating to

3:36:16the organization of the

3:36:16executive branch setting forth

3:36:18the duties and

3:36:18responsibilities of executive

3:36:19branch agencies amending

3:36:21related Anchorage Municipal

3:36:22Code to reflect the new

3:36:22executive management

3:36:24structure. Public hearing on

3:36:25this item is now open. Please

3:36:26come forward. If you wish to

3:36:27testify. And we don't have

3:36:33anyone on the phone. I mix it

3:36:33up and close. The public

3:36:34hearing. What is the will of

3:36:37the body?

3:36:37>> Move to postpone the

3:36:37meeting of November. 17th.

3:36:41>> Okay. There's a motion to

3:36:43postpone up, Mr. Going to the

3:36:44meeting in November. 17th is

3:36:44her second second second by

3:36:45Miss Bala Monday. Any

3:36:49discussion on postponement?

3:36:51Any objection? Not hearing any

3:36:55then this item is postpones to

3:36:59the idea to the meeting of

3:37:00November 17th. So next, we'll

3:37:03move to. So that concludes our

3:37:04budget items for The public's

3:37:09awareness 7 of the 8 items do

3:37:10have a continued public

3:37:11hearing partly to satisfy code

3:37:14council, if you would like

3:37:15details on that next. We'll

3:37:17move on to item 14. I 2026

3:37:221.28 An ordinance authorizing

3:37:23the withdrawal and transfer of

3:37:24care to slam bang, parcel for

3:37:25for Dash 0, 0, one legally

3:37:28described as lot. 13 block 15

3:37:29encourage original town site

3:37:32generally located on

3:37:32Christians and drive in

3:37:33downtown Anchorage from

3:37:34Heritage Landbank inventory to

3:37:37the real estate services

3:37:38general inventory and

3:37:39assignment of management

3:37:39authority to the street

3:37:40maintenance section public

3:37:42hearing on this item is now

3:37:42open. Please come forward. If

3:37:43you wish to testify.

3:37:59People

3:37:59saying in part of town make

3:38:00friends. 3 minutes.

3:38:02>> Don't make now the spin we

3:38:06have a deficit in the budget.

3:38:07I know weren't. With the

3:38:11economy the way it is. If U.S.

3:38:15this isn't a fist property

3:38:16that they're wanting to move,

3:38:18it's not going to be used for

3:38:19anything that will. The city.

3:38:25Municipality. Why don't we

3:38:26just instead of keeping it

3:38:30having to maintain that? Why

3:38:30don't we just sell it and use

3:38:32the money in the general fund?

3:38:35keeping properties that we

3:38:36don't.

3:38:44>> Thank you for your

3:38:44testimony. us was to testify.

3:38:45Please come forward. We don't

3:38:50have anyone signed up on the

3:38:51phone so seeing and hearing no

3:38:53one public high public hearing

3:38:54on item is now closed. What's

3:38:55love about him to prove? Get

3:38:57as much done motion to approve

3:39:01by Mr. Bowen second by Miss

3:39:02Park, Mr. Gandhi once be to

3:39:06>> Sure. Just what we have it

3:39:06on the public record for

3:39:07people who may be watching the

3:39:08recording of this meeting. I

3:39:09thought I would turn it over

3:39:10to the administration and you

3:39:14could describe sort of the

3:39:17purpose of this item the

3:39:19utility to the administer that

3:39:19the administration to the

3:39:20municipality of this item.

3:39:24>> by either municipal manager

3:39:27or a community. Economic

3:39:28development director will be

3:39:29responding. what are we going

3:39:30be using the property for? So

3:39:35the chair community and

3:39:35economic director Bob Dole. We

3:39:38also have Tiffany Briggs, the

3:39:39real estate director online if

3:39:42needed. Basically, this is a

3:39:43narrow, slow piece of land

3:39:44with no real commercial value.

3:39:45It is critical, though, for

3:39:47snow storage.

3:39:48>> And other road maintenance,

3:39:49but particularly snow storage.

3:39:50And it's coming. This clears

3:39:55up kind of a long-standing

3:39:56thing. It's been used this

3:39:57way. Historically. This is the

3:39:58cleanup that's necessary. All

3:40:00right. Thank you. Thank you.

3:40:00Madam Chair.

3:40:03>> Okay. I don't see anyone

3:40:05further in the queue. So

3:40:06members may proceed to vote on

3:40:07this item. And how is the U.S.

3:40:19can a vote of 12 to 0 2026.

3:40:221.28 Passes the body

3:40:24unanimously. Next. We'll move

3:40:25to item 14 Q. So that is 2026

3:40:291.38, ordinance approving

3:40:32implement in ordinance

3:40:33approving proposed

3:40:35implementation rate for a 10

3:40:36inch meter size charge by the

3:40:38increased water and wastewater

3:40:39utility for submission to the

3:40:40regulatory Commission of

3:40:41Alaska. Public hearing on this

3:40:43item is now open. Please come

3:40:44forward if you wish to

3:40:44testify. Anyone at all. Okay.

3:40:56And one 0nd will the clerk

3:40:57catches up? I am not seeing

3:41:00anyone coming forward to

3:41:02testify. So public hearing on

3:41:03this item is now closed.

3:41:04What's the will of the body to

3:41:06prove second? Motion to group

3:41:10Mr. Bowen second by scout, Mr.

3:41:10Vaughan, to SB 2 fronts.

3:41:13>> Once again, I'll just turn

3:41:14it over to the administration

3:41:15to see if they want to provide

3:41:15any color on this. If not,

3:41:19that's OK.

3:41:19>> Okay. Yeah. I know. We also

3:41:21have aww Mr. Person. You're

3:41:23know, he's coming up. He can

3:41:23speak to this item. Great.

3:41:28>> Thank you, David Person or

3:41:30general manager. This is to

3:41:32add another meter size to

3:41:34tariff. We currently have

3:41:35sizes blow that we don't have

3:41:37that size and we need it for a

3:41:37contract for a service

3:41:38chamber. Okay, great. Thank

3:41:41you. Okay. Thank you. I don't

3:41:44see anyone else in the queue.

3:41:47>> Okay. Members may proceed

3:41:48to vote on this item. And how

3:41:50does the U.S. Martinez? Kaye

3:42:12on a vote of 12 to 0. The body

3:42:15unanimously. Next. As you

3:42:16remember with our changed

3:42:17order, we will be going to the

3:42:192 license items items, 15 15

3:42:22be so I will will be open

3:42:23public hearing on those and

3:42:24we'll read them out. I will

3:42:27also note representative may

3:42:28not participate alcohol or

3:42:32licensing actions. And so I

3:42:35Mr, Lee, to just briefly step

3:42:35away. So that it's clear

3:42:37you're not voting will not be

3:42:38asking for the representatives

3:42:39vote and then you can return

3:42:40to shortly. So OK, so turning

3:42:44to item 15, a are 2026. 307,

3:42:48resolution of Anchorage

3:42:49Municipal Assembly stating

3:42:50it's conditional protest

3:42:52regarding renewal of package

3:42:53store, alcohol license 5, 7,

3:42:56to 4 for Eagle River House

3:42:57LLC. Dba go. Riverdale House

3:42:59located at 1, 1, 9, 0, 1, old

3:42:59Glenn Highway Eagle River.

3:43:02Public hearing on this item is

3:43:02now open. Please come forward.

3:43:03If you wish to testify.

3:43:09Senior. You know, one public

3:43:10hearing on this item is now

3:43:11closed. What's the will of the

3:43:12body? To prove? Keep motion to

3:43:19approve by Mr. Vaughan second

3:43:19by Miss Park member. I don't

3:43:22see anyone in the queue. Some

3:43:23members may proceed to vote.

3:43:35Kaye on a vote of 12 to 0 AR

3:43:392026. 307. Passes the body

3:43:40unanimously next. We have

3:43:43resolution AR 2026. 308. A

3:43:44resolution of the Anchorage

3:43:45Municipal Assembly stating

3:43:45it's conditional protests

3:43:46regarding renewal of beverage

3:43:48dispensary alcohol license

3:43:49through 7.20, for Ch One LLC

3:43:51dba Crazy Horse Gentleman's

3:43:53Club located at 1, 5, 6, 5,

3:43:54Gambell Street Anchorage, 9,

3:43:57501, public hearing on item is

3:43:59now open. Please come forward.

3:44:00If you wish to testify. Anyone

3:44:02on. none public hearing on

3:44:06this item is now closed. will

3:44:07the body to prove? Second?

3:44:11Motion by Mr. Going to approve

3:44:12second miscount. Any further

3:44:13comments. don't see anyone in

3:44:17the queue. Some members may

3:44:18proceed to vote on this item.

3:44:30Can a vote of 12 to 0 item.

3:44:35are 2026 308 passes the body

3:44:37unanimously. So that takes us

3:44:39through our items that we have

3:44:40reordered. So we're going roll

3:44:41up. Mr. President, I'd like to

3:44:46move to reconsider it 13, a.

3:44:54There's a motion I want to

3:44:55get. There's a motion to

3:44:56reconsider. I'm sorry. What's

3:45:01The M M with? I believe your

3:45:05friend to Sorry, 11. A. Okay.

3:45:09There's a motion by Mister

3:45:12Press review to reconsider

3:45:13item 11 a and to remind folks

3:45:13that motion was to postpone

3:45:15that item to a special meeting

3:45:16on Friday, November 13th. The

3:45:18second was Mr. Mccormick, so

3:45:22Mr. President, you want to

3:45:22speak to thank you. I'm I'm

3:45:23not able to attend that

3:45:25meeting I'm now aware that

3:45:26this to others that are not

3:45:27able attend that meeting. I'm

3:45:29concerned about not having

3:45:30enough members there to

3:45:31actually have the full

3:45:31discussion. We want to.

3:45:33>> So I would prefer that we

3:45:34reconsider it. Bring it back

3:45:37up either could continue into

3:45:38next meeting or choose a

3:45:39different day. So if we could

3:45:42reconsidered, I think that

3:45:44would be a better move having

3:45:45a meeting. We're not out

3:45:45there. Thanks. Mr. Martinez.

3:46:02Perhaps this is to the mover.

3:46:08Is it a recommendation that

3:46:09there should be a meeting

3:46:10because we won't have a

3:46:10quorum? know I would like to

3:46:16reconsider because I'd like to

3:46:19be at discussion. and I think

3:46:20other members that are not

3:46:21able to be creek would

3:46:25probably want to be there as

3:46:25well. So that's that's the the

3:46:26means. And the reason for the

3:46:27motion. Share broadly, I guess

3:46:36the follow-up would be

3:46:37essentially. At the pace of

3:46:42which were moving today. Do

3:46:43you think will need a special

3:46:44meeting on the 13th aside from

3:46:47help item. so we're going to

3:46:57We are making sure.

3:47:02reconsideration is a

3:47:03debatable. Mostly believe it

3:47:04is because it's in the

3:47:04meeting.

3:47:08>> That's not why. But I'm I'm

3:47:08saying that we don't tip of

3:47:09every consider in meetings,

3:47:10but it is an option I we have

3:47:13not postpone anything else to

3:47:14that meeting. I think part of

3:47:16the discussion this morning

3:47:17that we had with clerk staff

3:47:17and everyone was essentially

3:47:19how far can we get through

3:47:20this agenda and what would we

3:47:21send by default? Anything that

3:47:24we don't get to tonight

3:47:25automatically goes to the

3:47:27meeting on the 17th, the

3:47:28regular meeting. And so we

3:47:31have to intentionally postpone

3:47:32something to that special

3:47:33meeting. Yes, which I had

3:47:34contemplated doing. But we

3:47:34have not done that yet. Thank

3:47:35you. Chair. Okay. And know for

3:47:43procedures. Well, so the

3:47:44motion to reconsider

3:47:46essentially if the yes vote

3:47:48would be to reconsider that

3:47:50item to essentially undo the

3:47:51action to postpone and then we

3:47:54would need to take it would

3:47:55basically be open again. So we

3:47:55would need to. So I will turn

3:48:00to court.

3:48:01>> motion to reconsider opens

3:48:02right before you took the

3:48:02vote. So you would be back

3:48:04into debate on. Postponing to

3:48:07November. 13th.

3:48:12>> Okay. Thank you for that.

3:48:13And of course, whoever had

3:48:14made that motion, which we

3:48:16have in the could also also

3:48:17withdraw that motion, which

3:48:18would leave no motion on the

3:48:19floor. I believe believe there

3:48:22would be. Yes, that was the

3:48:23main motion at that time.

3:48:37Okay. So members may proceed

3:48:38to vote on the motion to

3:48:38reconsider. And these

3:48:41representative votes. Okay.

3:48:52And a vote of 12 to 0. And

3:48:54these representative also

3:48:55voted yes. This

3:48:55reconsideration has passed.

3:48:58And so we are back into

3:49:00essentially just for clarity.

3:49:01We're on. Okay. So that

3:49:09immediately move regardless of

3:49:10where we were. That moves us

3:49:10back to item 11, a it's 2020

3:49:1365 back into the motion to

3:49:15postpone this to a special

3:49:16meeting. So for Stacy in the

3:49:17queue as part of a day. Thank

3:49:20you. Chair move to postpone to

3:49:21the regular meeting of

3:49:22December. 1st segment. Okay.

3:49:27So I would like to amend

3:49:28motion on the floor to

3:49:30reflects December 1st rather

3:49:33than November. 13th second, it

3:49:33was my motion. Okay. That

3:49:39really busiest. So the sponsor

3:49:40of the original motion for the

3:49:41Pats special meeting is going

3:49:43to withdraw that I would like

3:49:44to withdraw my motion. To join

3:49:47need the agreement of my

3:49:48second. I like to withdraw my

3:49:51motion and like to make a new

3:49:53motion to postpone this item

3:49:55to the regular meeting of

3:49:55December. 1st second. Okay.

3:50:00There's a motion. first, the

3:50:01prior motion was withdrawn by

3:50:02must follow. so that left no

3:50:03motion on the floor. following

3:50:06day moves to postpone this

3:50:07item to the regular meeting of

3:50:08December 1st. And that was

3:50:09seconded by Mr. Martin, us any

3:50:10further discussion. Not for

3:50:11me. Thank you. Martinez. Yeah.

3:50:17Just for the record, I wanted

3:50:19to know courtesy.

3:50:22>> Is what was being requested

3:50:23by us as the sponsors and

3:50:25courtesy is what I feel. I'm

3:50:28providing with a yes vote had

3:50:32been debated at length that we

3:50:34have done this work for quite

3:50:36some time. And we members say

3:50:38that they heard a few members

3:50:40wouldn't be there and they

3:50:41would like to be there.

3:50:44Present present for that. We

3:50:45also heard for the record that

3:50:48the special meeting which

3:50:48still potentially have quorum.

3:50:51And so essentially this is a

3:50:52request for courtesy,

3:50:55professional, courtesy and I

3:50:55wanted to establish that clear

3:50:56clearly on the record. So I

3:50:59will vote obviously the

3:50:59affirmative.

3:51:05>> Okay. I don't see in any

3:51:06other members in the queue.

3:51:07Some members may proceed to

3:51:08vote. And these representative

3:51:10votes. And again, this is the

3:51:15motion to postpone to time

3:51:16certain, which is the meaning

3:51:16of December. 1st. Okay. And a

3:51:22vote of 12 to 0. Excuse me. I

3:51:27am 2026. 85 is and entire item

3:51:30again is postponed to the

3:51:30regular meeting of December.

3:51:311st. So then that takes us to

3:51:37let you finish the licensing.

3:51:37We finished all the other

3:51:39pieces. So

3:51:40>> we are now back to

3:51:42basically the the remainder of

3:51:43the agenda in order. So. 11,

3:51:48Cao 2026 108, ordinance of the

3:51:50Anchorage Municipal Assembly,

3:51:50repealing and replacing

3:51:51Anchorage Municipal Code.

3:51:52Chapter 3 one, 0, 2, and

3:51:54amending AMC Section 7, 1, 5,

3:51:59to clarify existing resent

3:52:00restrictions on surveillance

3:52:02technology and establish new

3:52:03restrictions on automated

3:52:03license plate readers systems.

3:52:05So the public hearing on this

3:52:06item has been closed. the

3:52:10motion so on the agenda says

3:52:12the motion to amend with

3:52:13Vaughn and Scout Amendment

3:52:14number 5 was on the floor was

3:52:17moved by. Mister removing

3:52:17directly back into on a Scout

3:52:20Amendment 5 and believe people

3:52:21will be turning to that item.

3:52:22So I will. Turn to Mr. Aunt.

3:52:26Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair.

3:52:27So where we left off.

3:52:30>> Also I asked. Some of

3:52:32council to have this printed

3:52:36and and redistributed minutes

3:52:36in the binder as well. If you

3:52:38look at. Page 2. Bullet point

3:52:49number 9, it's in the very end

3:52:50of the second sentence. A

3:52:54camera owned or operated by

3:52:55the municipality that stricken

3:52:57through. So that was the

3:52:59amendment to this amendment

3:53:00that passed at our previous

3:53:01meeting. That's where we left

3:53:02off. Just want to highlight

3:53:04that for folks and have. So

3:53:07you have this for easy

3:53:09reference. Also, you will in

3:53:11your e-mail in your amendment

3:53:13packet. The municipal attorney

3:53:17put together very helpfully

3:53:22this crosswalk of the

3:53:22different amendments and sort

3:53:23of which ones we have taken

3:53:24action on. And which ones we

3:53:25haven't. So I don't really

3:53:29have anything else to add to.

3:53:30This already amended

3:53:31amendment. I'm prepared to

3:53:32vote on it. Thank you. Madam

3:53:33Chair. Mr. Price for on this

3:53:38Amendment. Thank you. Can ask

3:53:39the medical tourney to speak

3:53:40to this in this amendment.

3:53:45>> As 2, whether the

3:53:49administration supports it or

3:53:50and the potential impact of

3:53:51this amendment in terms of how

3:53:54will how it'll affect the

3:53:55policy and the implementation

3:53:56of this work. puts perceived

3:54:01this Thank you.

3:54:03>> Through the and speaking

3:54:06for the administration on this

3:54:07amendment and the issue

3:54:09generally, I Mister, does not

3:54:11support this amendment. this

3:54:12amendment would. Put mandatory

3:54:14retention deadlines on time

3:54:16frames on it. How you can

3:54:19store data now be in municipal

3:54:20code. And so any variation

3:54:21from that. But then but the

3:54:26police department in

3:54:27violation. So, for example, if

3:54:28there is a technical glitch

3:54:29and data is retained 12 hours

3:54:31longer than 14 days, police

3:54:34department would be in

3:54:34violation of code or if the

3:54:37police department, for

3:54:37example, wanted to us reduce

3:54:39the retention. Deadline

3:54:42timeline that would also

3:54:45potentially place the police

3:54:46department in violation of

3:54:48code into the approach the S

3:54:48version takes is to give some

3:54:52degree of operational

3:54:53flexibility with transparency

3:54:54and accountability Attash. So

3:54:55the version requires. Ap

3:55:00policies for their attention

3:55:01of license plate real time.

3:55:02Crime center data with

3:55:04mandatory retention timelines.

3:55:08They have to based on

3:55:09Articulable operational needs.

3:55:10So a PSP of the justified the

3:55:11timelines that it retains data

3:55:12and any change to those

3:55:15retention timelines in the

3:55:16policies of APD changes its

3:55:17policy. Turn. Currently, it's

3:55:1914 days and both of those

3:55:21policies. If they change it to

3:55:2215 days, they will have to

3:55:23notify the assembly. And that

3:55:26way the assembly can get the

3:55:28information promptly and take

3:55:29action and provide, you know.

3:55:32At that point, you know, if

3:55:32APD dropped it down 10 days,

3:55:35something might not mind. Apd

3:55:37had increased it to 300 days.

3:55:39The somebody might want to

3:55:39give some direction or take

3:55:41action. And at that point, put

3:55:42something in code. But the the

3:55:44effort takes a different

3:55:45approach allowing a little bit

3:55:47more operational flexibility

3:55:49again with full transparency,

3:55:51propagation of changes and

3:55:52accountability and it will no

3:55:53time. On that point. amendment

3:55:5812, which will up look a bit

3:56:01later, I takes a slightly

3:56:03different approach to that and

3:56:04requires advanced notification

3:56:05before a policy change which

3:56:07would apply to retention time

3:56:08lines rather than after the

3:56:09fact notice of the change

3:56:10that's already been happened

3:56:11and that that implanted. So.

3:56:17decision does not support

3:56:18this. Bill Cs version takes a

3:56:18better approach of the

3:56:20assembly's uncomfortable with

3:56:21that. and 12 might be better

3:56:22path to take.

3:56:25>> Thank you. Thank you

3:56:26clarifying. I My concern as

3:56:30well. And so I just wanted to

3:56:31share with my colleagues that

3:56:34I asked their their support in

3:56:35voting that this down and that

3:56:39I think it's probably

3:56:39problematic and concerning.

3:56:42And so I would prefer to not

3:56:44add this to the policy. So

3:56:45please vote no on this. Thank

3:56:45you.

3:56:49>> Km I have myself in the

3:56:50queue for the main motion

3:56:52missile verse. Are you in for

3:56:52the amendment?

3:56:59>> Yeah. As some co-sponsor,

3:57:00one of the co-sponsors on the

3:57:02version, I do not support this

3:57:03amendment I have concerns

3:57:07about both what it as well as

3:57:09how it was brought forward.

3:57:12And so when it was brought

3:57:12forward, it kind of the last

3:57:15minute addition in front of us

3:57:18and we are told that it simply

3:57:19puts APD's existing 14 day

3:57:21retention policy into

3:57:21municipal code. But then when

3:57:24I started asking questions

3:57:26Tuesday night, it became clear

3:57:27that that wasn't really a

3:57:29accurate representation of it

3:57:33which continued a pattern of

3:57:34inaccuracies that have been

3:57:36presented to both the public.

3:57:39And I'm gonna call it a point

3:57:40note. And yeah, I

3:57:43>> They wait. What is your

3:57:44point of order, Mr. so our a

3:57:45pattern of inaccuracy. Sorry.

3:57:47Are you alleging mistruths or

3:57:48you let legend

3:57:48misrepresentations?

3:57:53>> I'm just really curious

3:57:53about where where member

3:57:54Silvers keeps going on this

3:57:55and this line of

3:57:58>> okay. wait at what's going

3:57:58I mean, ask

3:58:03>> first time in a rule that

3:58:04that it is true. The members

3:58:05not be speaking to motive. So

3:58:07ask versus rephrase higher,

3:58:09describing this and be

3:58:11careful, not speak about Thank

3:58:13Okay. I don't thinks that

3:58:14saying that things are

3:58:14inaccurate. The speaking to

3:58:15motive.

3:58:15>> However.

3:58:22>> The amendment doesn't just

3:58:23address automatic license

3:58:23plate readers factually it

3:58:27goes beyond. final. Apd, 14

3:58:34day retention policy. That's

3:58:39the inaccuracy that I was

3:58:40speaking to was no motive.

3:58:40There. Simple facts. It

3:58:45applies to video audio and

3:58:46sensor data collected by

3:58:48routed through recorded by

3:58:49real time Crime Center. It's a

3:58:53broader restriction. Ivan,

3:58:53what's currently in policy

3:59:00chief case confirms that APD's

3:59:0114 day policy does not apply

3:59:02to body-worn cameras and dash

3:59:02cameras. And that's where my

3:59:05concern comes in. There's

3:59:09recordings have separate

3:59:10retention requirements for

3:59:11very good reasons, including

3:59:12transparency and

3:59:12accountability. And Anchorage

3:59:16voters approved funding for

3:59:18those. The public wanted that

3:59:20footage available to hold law

3:59:21enforcement accountable, not

3:59:22just to investigate crimes.

3:59:25Municipal law acknowledged

3:59:28Tuesday night that body camera

3:59:30footage routed through the

3:59:31real time crime center could

3:59:33be subject to this amendment.

3:59:34Sir. Tension requirements. So

3:59:39that would otherwise be

3:59:41retained for years could

3:59:41potentially become subject. I

3:59:44could.

3:59:44>> Point of information,

3:59:45actually, because I what

3:59:46really for patients, coun.

3:59:49Could we clarify whether that

3:59:51is true? So I want to clarify

3:59:52the points of information or 2

3:59:55be used for procedural matters

3:59:56and other information not to

3:59:56the substance of So I would

3:59:58encourage members to get in

3:59:59the QS and address this.

4:00:01debate is not a conversation

4:00:04debate happened sequentially

4:00:06as one person speaks in the

4:00:07other. I my. Can. I can say

4:00:10right on snow have yeah, yeah.

4:00:12Mine of information was scout.

4:00:14Whether this is actually the

4:00:15conversation. That took place.

4:00:19But I'll just go okay. Again.

4:00:19Point of information is to be

4:00:21Sorry for procedural matters

4:00:22and not for the substance of

4:00:23debate. It is not for

4:00:24information about the debate.

4:00:26So so I think if other members

4:00:27would like to address that, we

4:00:28can address it on the record.

4:00:29overview of the floor. Thank

4:00:30you.

4:00:35>> So we did hear the sponsors

4:00:36say that that was not their

4:00:36intent, but what we intend and

4:00:40what we put into policy are 2

4:00:40very different things. The

4:00:45language here wasn't vetted in

4:00:46our work sessions. And the

4:00:51municipal attorney also

4:00:53acknowledged that it had been

4:00:54workshop and that its scope

4:00:55was unclear. Can I finish my

4:01:03comments? I have the floor.

4:01:06>> Please continue overs ask

4:01:07if you would do not have the

4:01:10floor members. Please do not

4:01:10make side comments. We are

4:01:11trying to have a debate. So

4:01:16>> I think I'm done for now.

4:01:19But I oppose this amendment.

4:01:21And if this amendment passes,

4:01:22I'm very likely to vote no on

4:01:26the entire policy. Thank

4:01:40>> One second, check with the

4:01:41clerk?

4:02:04Okay. Yeah. So again,

4:02:04we go to folks who haven't

4:02:05spoken yet so I'll go next to

4:02:06him in a comeback to folks who

4:02:07already have spoken, Mr. Price

4:02:09for you for Dr you in for the

4:02:09amendment. I'm sorry. The

4:02:13guesses spoke scout. Go ahead.

4:02:18>> amendment. Never mind.

4:02:31Okay. Next, Mr. Van, thank

4:02:33you, Madam Chair. you know,

4:02:36it's kind of wild to me that

4:02:37the member from East Anchorage

4:02:38started off her.

4:02:40>> Comments talking about

4:02:42inaccuracies because I have a

4:02:44wildly different recollection

4:02:45of the conversation that we've

4:02:46already had a prior meeting

4:02:49about this. Now already

4:02:51amended amendment. So we have

4:02:52had this amendment. We did not

4:02:53finish the meeting. Members

4:02:55have had time to read it over

4:02:59my recollection from the

4:02:59conversation on that meeting

4:03:03as for municipal turn and I

4:03:03will ask you to confirm this

4:03:04as that the way that this

4:03:06amendment is placed within the

4:03:07broader scope of the. Of the S

4:03:12version. This would not

4:03:13pertain to body cameras and

4:03:15dash cameras. There's a

4:03:17specific use, a chair and I I

4:03:21really want to on the record

4:03:22because I feel like that. That

4:03:23is a red herring in this whole

4:03:25conversation. Does this

4:03:26pertain to? Body camera

4:03:30footage if this were to pass,

4:03:31would that be a restriction?

4:03:36Threw the chair. Yeah. Thanks

4:03:38for the opportunity to

4:03:42clarify. So last time at the

4:03:44meeting we discussing the

4:03:45language camera owned or

4:03:46operated by the municipality,

4:03:47which is a pretty broad

4:03:49category. And members did have

4:03:50is that going to make these

4:03:51restrictions apply to

4:03:52everything else and

4:03:54>> my opinion at the time was,

4:03:55well, it's pretty squarely

4:03:55within the real time crime

4:03:56center policy and I don't know

4:03:59that APD policy can can govern

4:04:00all municipal cameras with

4:04:03that said that in that moment

4:04:04was taken out. that language

4:04:06is taken out, the reference to

4:04:07municipal cameras, which you

4:04:07think was good change. There

4:04:10are still some concerns about

4:04:13over breath in and unintended

4:04:14consequences in terms of how

4:04:15this would apply to other APD

4:04:16technology. So pitch us. That

4:04:21for the real time crime center

4:04:22part part of this amendment,

4:04:24it would require all video

4:04:27audio and sensor data

4:04:28collected by routed through

4:04:28recorded by. I think chief

4:04:33could speak to this, but I do

4:04:34think that is possible that

4:04:35body-worn camera footage at

4:04:37some point, perhaps not live

4:04:39in real time, but could be

4:04:40routed through the real time

4:04:41crime center. anything that

4:04:42touches the real time crime

4:04:43center. The comes in through a

4:04:45camp real time crime center.

4:04:47That would input into that

4:04:49system even if it's not in

4:04:50real time, might not live at

4:04:51the time, would then be

4:04:52subject to these restrictions.

4:04:54And so that could potentially

4:04:54conflict with the with the

4:04:58retention requirements for

4:04:58body-worn camera footage there

4:05:02are there are some other, I

4:05:02think more detailed concerns

4:05:03with this amendment as members

4:05:06over said it wasn't workshop

4:05:06in conjunction with the police

4:05:10Department for the for the

4:05:11department. And so we didn't

4:05:12have an opportunity to, you

4:05:14know, provide feedback on

4:05:15these ahead of time. Now is a

4:05:17good opportunity. But yeah,

4:05:19there are some concerns.

4:05:23>> Well, it would nice to hear

4:05:24those concerns prior to this

4:05:25evening because now we've also

4:05:26had this since the last

4:05:27meeting so just state that,

4:05:31you know, retention limits are

4:05:32one of the things that we have

4:05:35heard most broadly from the

4:05:37community. That is something

4:05:38that matters to them. We've

4:05:39heard from several different

4:05:40entities we've heard from

4:05:41individual community members.

4:05:45And so I actually feel like it

4:05:46would be disregarding the huge

4:05:49amount of public input that we

4:05:51have received on this

4:05:53ordinance on any version of

4:05:53this ordinance. And this is

4:05:54what I worry about with the

4:05:56item that we approved earlier

4:05:57tonight is that this is going

4:05:58to be the exact conversation.

4:05:59What does the municipal

4:06:00attorney want? What is APD

4:06:01want? And they don't like it.

4:06:05We're not moving forward with

4:06:06that. And so I have a whole

4:06:09now new level of skepticism of

4:06:14orders.

4:06:14>> Speaking to a our intent

4:06:15and our votes following what

4:06:17the municipal attorney wants.

4:06:18It's not so tent for a vote.

4:06:20>> Missile versus a point of

4:06:21order is regarding speaking a

4:06:22motive. Is that correct? Okay.

4:06:27I mean, will I did not hear a

4:06:27specific motive in there. But

4:06:31again, No, I'm speaking to a

4:06:35process that we approved

4:06:36earlier tonight. With a line

4:06:38of questioning becomes. What

4:06:41does administration support?

4:06:43I'm speaking to this item.

4:06:45We've plenty of public support

4:06:46for retention limits. Okay,

4:06:48time of this amendment does

4:06:49ruled that there was that.

4:06:52pressure on is not out of

4:06:53order but I will end because I

4:06:56will say the distinction is

4:06:56that I'm hearing. About

4:07:01speculative future

4:07:01conversations and not

4:07:02attributing a current motive

4:07:02to somebody. So. Feel free

4:07:05overall me. But I'm going to

4:07:06ask again members, please try

4:07:08to avoid because it is not

4:07:11part of our rules is not part

4:07:12of our procedure to speak to

4:07:12motive, sir. Please speak to

4:07:13the item. So what are the

4:07:17unintended consequences? I

4:07:18guess if we don't have or

4:07:18tension limits. We have an

4:07:21internal policy. I understand

4:07:22that. But if that were to

4:07:24change. If we get a new. get a

4:07:32new police chief to get a new

4:07:32assembly. We get this sport

4:07:33tourney. A decision point is

4:07:38created later on where. There

4:07:41is some attention we can this

4:07:43data as you're driving down

4:07:45the street as me, Daniel and

4:07:46I'm running the grocery store.

4:07:47We talked about this in a work

4:07:48session. And a police car's

4:07:51randomly behind me. air

4:07:54automatic license plate scans.

4:07:55My. License plate. And they

4:08:01just can keep that forever.

4:08:02They can keep a record of my

4:08:04movements about town forever.

4:08:06it's an intended consequence

4:08:07of not having retention

4:08:07limits. What happens, what

4:08:09potentially could happen if we

4:08:10don't have a tension and code.

4:08:15And I guess even if you want

4:08:17speak to that, the love also

4:08:21has some the council, if you'd

4:08:22like to weigh in because the

4:08:23assembly, we also have

4:08:24attorney Scott. Cale invite

4:08:29any of our attorneys like to

4:08:29speak to Thank to the Chatham.

4:08:32Happy to take the question.

4:08:34And I want to just reset this

4:08:35conversation a little bit

4:08:38because nobody.

4:08:39>> I don't think anyone in

4:08:40this room wants no retention

4:08:41limits. And so right now, APD

4:08:44it on its own said it's not

4:08:46set for today. Retention

4:08:47limits. Those are hard limits.

4:08:48programmed into its systems

4:08:48that it uses for these. And

4:08:50the S version does require

4:08:52retention limits. And again,

4:08:54the language which you can see

4:08:54actually easily in strike,

4:08:55threw the in the form and

4:08:58Mont is can take limitation

4:09:01based on our teach Articulable

4:09:02operational needs on the

4:09:03storage of surveillance data

4:09:04collected by whatever the

4:09:05technology is. That is not

4:09:09retained as evidence in a

4:09:09specific case or investigation

4:09:12and then again, paired with

4:09:12the notification requirements.

4:09:14So the notification

4:09:15apartments, if that changes.

4:09:16So the notification any

4:09:19material change, you know,

4:09:20triggers this obligation to

4:09:21report that to the assembly

4:09:22report. The policy change and

4:09:25based on conversations with

4:09:26you and your co-sponsors of

4:09:26the original ordinance when

4:09:28you're drafting the S version.

4:09:32Specifically defined any

4:09:33change to the retention time

4:09:33limits as a material change.

4:09:35So it's not the police

4:09:39storming can say, well, we

4:09:40only change that by one day 5

4:09:40days, but I think that's

4:09:41material. We don't have to

4:09:42tell the assembly any change

4:09:44if they change it by 12 hours,

4:09:45they have to submit that

4:09:46updated policy to the assembly

4:09:47to notify you. And again, the

4:09:50goal of that is transparency,

4:09:52accountability and the ability

4:09:53like giving the assembly the

4:09:54information it needs in close

4:09:55to real time or and remember

4:09:57when days for Amendment.

4:10:00Preview before it even takes

4:10:03effect so that if there is

4:10:04further action, more specific

4:10:07legislative action that you

4:10:08think you need to take, you

4:10:08will have the ability to do

4:10:09that. And really and I try not

4:10:12to talk about separation of

4:10:13powers into much of what we're

4:10:14talking about these issues.

4:10:15But it is trying to respect

4:10:18that balances well of giving

4:10:19the assembly. The ability

4:10:20always have the ability to

4:10:21legislate, you know, by

4:10:21ordinance what you need to

4:10:23legislate, but also showing

4:10:26respect for some degree again

4:10:26of operational flexibility and

4:10:29in areas of high importance

4:10:29and sensitivity like privacy,

4:10:31this type this type of

4:10:33technology, making sure that

4:10:35you are kept in the loop so

4:10:36that things do not change if a

4:10:36new police chief comes in and

4:10:40changes as retention to time

4:10:41frames to simply will know the

4:10:41assembly has to do not

4:10:44notifying the assembly either

4:10:45before after depending on

4:10:46which version is passed, would

4:10:50be a violation of code and

4:10:50could ultimately accountable

4:10:51for that. for the Christus

4:11:00Spohn. that's helpful. Maybe

4:11:05this councilman way. And I

4:11:05just want to guys the

4:11:06opportunity.

4:11:09>> Okay. On bait and council,

4:11:10if you'd like to provide

4:11:10additional commentary.

4:11:18>> going to I'm going to have

4:11:19to ask for. What's the precise

4:11:24question being put to council?

4:11:28>> I guess. You know, we hear

4:11:31a lot about unintended

4:11:33consequences if we pass

4:11:35something, what's the

4:11:35unintended consequences of not

4:11:36having retention limits in

4:11:38code as a guard rail and code

4:11:40rather that just internal

4:11:40policy. Because frankly, I

4:11:44don't want to be surveilled.

4:11:45What I'm driving around,

4:11:48minding my own business

4:11:49running an errand. And have

4:11:51that. Information kept for

4:11:53longer than that needs to be

4:11:55kept. I'm not breaking a law.

4:12:01What am I? Why do I need to

4:12:02profile bilt out about me

4:12:02where I've been for longer

4:12:03than 2 weeks. And I think that

4:12:08is something we've heard very

4:12:09strongly from the community.

4:12:10So it it's OK, I mean, I don't

4:12:11need another answer. I just

4:12:13I'm going to be supporting

4:12:14this. I don't really

4:12:14understand what the resistance

4:12:17to. in code retention limits,

4:12:23especially when heard it so

4:12:24strongly from the community.

4:12:25But that's okay. That's why we

4:12:26all here and we all vote.

4:12:28Thanks. Madam Chair. Can a

4:12:30sister president?

4:12:45>> call calling the question.

4:12:46I know there's no way in

4:12:46there, but I must do

4:12:51>> Mr. President has called

4:12:52the question on this is or

4:12:53second second for Miss

4:12:55Kercher. So members may

4:13:00proceed to vote. This is not a

4:13:01debatable motion. And how does

4:13:03the U.S. Representative vote?

4:13:05On calling the question?

4:13:22Has

4:13:22the Representative Ron Kind a

4:13:23question?

4:13:43Can a vote of 10 to

4:13:442? The question has been

4:13:45called some members. We will

4:13:47immediately proceed to a vote

4:13:47on amendment. This is

4:13:48amendment number 5, 2026. 108

4:13:50s. As amended point of

4:13:56information chair. I wish it

4:13:57would've been freshman at this

4:13:58point as a motion to divide

4:13:59the question action or not.

4:14:01Not until we're out of this

4:14:02particular vote.

4:14:20And how does

4:14:20the U.S. representative vote

4:14:21on this amendment?

4:14:42Can a vote

4:14:42of 5 to 7? This amendment has

4:14:43failed to pass. So we are back

4:14:46on the. mean. Back on them in

4:14:53motion. I have myself into

4:14:54queue. Misspelling. Thank you.

4:15:00And like to move rally and I

4:15:01have also have 2 amendments

4:15:03might intend to move both of

4:15:03them in a first start with the

4:15:04men. Number 9.

4:15:22Member probably

4:15:23moved. And number 0nd. Okay.

4:15:29Very briefly. The intent of

4:15:29this should be

4:15:32self-explanatory, but it

4:15:33requires disclosure via and

4:15:34via AM meaning the public has

4:15:37access to this information for

4:15:39marketing in any other

4:15:39materials provided by vendor

4:15:43whose services are being

4:15:43contracted when it comes to

4:15:44contract approval. The purpose

4:15:46here is not to not only to

4:15:50demonstrate kind of how these

4:15:51technologies are being

4:15:53advertised and described to to

4:15:54us that the potential client,

4:15:56but also we have heard

4:15:57multiple times from the police

4:15:58chief and others that we are

4:16:00not using all of the

4:16:02capabilities that are

4:16:02available in certain systems,

4:16:04but those capabilities exist.

4:16:05So as I understand it, there

4:16:08is concern that's a future

4:16:09contract amendment or

4:16:12expansion could significantly

4:16:13expands the scope without

4:16:16without it being tied to the

4:16:17initial kind of contract

4:16:18approval on discussions. So

4:16:19that's the idea, Mr. Martinez

4:16:20on the amendment. Anyone

4:16:26that's on the amendment keep

4:16:27in the queue for the day on

4:16:28the amendment. Not on the

4:16:30amendment. Thank Must go on

4:16:31the amendment. Now on the

4:16:34amendment silvers. So got to

4:16:36do want to stories on the

4:16:38amendment. Yeah, I just want

4:16:41to know if I ask the police

4:16:44chief a question. Ok? So is a

4:16:48question for chief case. I

4:16:52would also suggest she case

4:16:53might want to stick close to

4:16:54the podium for the near

4:16:55future. Just in case. And I'm

4:16:59not signaling my intent

4:17:00questions. I am signaling that

4:17:01people may have questions. So

4:17:05often does a reach out to you

4:17:06with marketing materials are.

4:17:09Marketing information fly or

4:17:10whatever? Threw the chair

4:17:12member Silvers. Many times a

4:17:14week. And if you add. Not just

4:17:18me but other people within the

4:17:19department. daily. And do you

4:17:22track all that? What would it

4:17:26take for you to track these

4:17:29daily from sometimes other

4:17:29people the department?

4:17:31Marketing materials. But

4:17:34before the assembly for

4:17:35approval. And first require us

4:17:39to read the email which 98%

4:17:42and we don't released elite.

4:17:43We get so many so she usually

4:17:46something that causes us some

4:17:50other professional that says,

4:17:51Hey, you're gonna get an email

4:17:52you may want to read. It may

4:17:53be helpful we could so many

4:17:53and.

4:17:56>> You know, multiple

4:17:56different vendors doing the

4:17:57same thing over and over

4:17:58again. So first we have to

4:17:59read email and then secondly,

4:18:00you have to develop some sort

4:18:05of tracking system, some

4:18:05shared spreadsheet or

4:18:06something Put all those down.

4:18:13>> Okay. And again, this phone

4:18:14and an amendment or the main

4:18:16okay. I have my back in the

4:18:16queue. I want to remind

4:18:23members that as word of this

4:18:24is under the section regret

4:18:25requiring assembly approval

4:18:29for any contracts. So I want

4:18:30to clarify that this amendment

4:18:31does not read choir publishing

4:18:35or collecting or disclosure of

4:18:36every marketing email that the

4:18:38police department gets it is

4:18:39solely for when there is a

4:18:39contract being advanced from

4:18:41the police Department for

4:18:44Assembly approval. So chief

4:18:45case, can you speak briefly to

4:18:48I guess the Axon contract that

4:18:49we have now that is not here.

4:18:52Can you speak to just some

4:18:55examples of things that we are

4:18:56currently under contract to

4:18:57provide and then other items

4:18:59that I know we're not getting

4:19:01from Axon that are available

4:19:01through that suite of

4:19:02services. Just a brief list

4:19:03would be helpful.

4:19:05>> Yes, Madam So. Currently

4:19:09our contract has her body

4:19:10cams. Dash cams, few sister

4:19:14will be now kind of broadly

4:19:16talk about his real time crime

4:19:17Center. Automated license

4:19:18plate readers are tasters so

4:19:20less lethal electronic troll

4:19:21weapon. Those are the basic

4:19:24services that are provided.

4:19:25There's a host of other things

4:19:26that and then add on that, we

4:19:28don't use, but they're there

4:19:29in the contract. Certainly

4:19:33some of those if we decide to

4:19:34use potential would fall under

4:19:35the ordinance. So we would,

4:19:36you know, since we haven't

4:19:37discussed with the assembly, I

4:19:38would make the assumption

4:19:39would have to let you know

4:19:41we're gonna start using this

4:19:43piece of technology that. We

4:19:46haven't talked about. The

4:19:47forks. We didn't intend on

4:19:48using it. And then there's a

4:19:50couple of products that we are

4:19:51wanting to move forward on.

4:19:52That has some yeah, technology

4:19:55involved don't call them

4:19:56surveillance, but definitely

4:19:58some AI technology and part of

4:20:01the challenge is following all

4:20:02the conversations we had. So

4:20:03questions about technology

4:20:05that's being used with

4:20:07detectives as part of

4:20:08conversation with this

4:20:11ordinance. That's not

4:20:11surveillance technology. But

4:20:14then that leads me to believe

4:20:15that if we're going to add

4:20:16some technology to dispatch,

4:20:18for example, that has some

4:20:19artificial intelligence

4:20:19capabilities. Based on all

4:20:23these conversations that would

4:20:24bring that information forward

4:20:25before we get. Quotes start

4:20:28paying for thing. I mean,

4:20:29would have to come for the

4:20:32preparation money but have

4:20:33conversation before we get to

4:20:34that part.

4:20:37>> Thank you. So than its fair

4:20:38to say that that the vendor or

4:20:39vendors that we're using now

4:20:40has either products or

4:20:44additional services or or

4:20:45components that we are not

4:20:46currently using that we could

4:20:48opt into as long as we follow

4:20:50whatever processes we need to

4:20:50follow. Is that correct?

4:20:52That's correct. Okay. Thank

4:20:54you. Next. Mr. Handling isn't

4:20:55on the Amendment. Yeah.

4:20:58Question to the sponsor on

4:20:59this. So when it says that

4:21:02material expand the

4:21:03surveillance. So if it is a

4:21:05renewal of a contract with

4:21:06that, then not fall under

4:21:07that. So I will note the

4:21:11language that ends is only the

4:21:14item that Alex and so the

4:21:14underlying section. So I guess

4:21:15I actually cannot answer how I

4:21:18would interpret Haley expand,

4:21:19but I was not the one who

4:21:20drafted that. So I if you

4:21:22would like that question

4:21:23answered, I would send it to

4:21:26versions, sponsors or the U.S.

4:21:27one person sponsors or the

4:21:28municipal term. Maybe

4:21:29municipal attorney would be a

4:21:30good one. Answer. Yeah. What's

4:21:31answer? The intent with this

4:21:38language?

4:21:38>> I is to have the assembly

4:21:40approve any new major. The

4:21:42assembly approves. A new

4:21:43expanded capabilities for

4:21:45these technologies. If party

4:21:46is going to enter into

4:21:47contract in any amount, right

4:21:49for going to money to expand

4:21:49the ability that we already

4:21:50have that he simply would need

4:21:52to approve. I if it is a

4:21:57continuation an existing, a

4:21:57contract that would merely

4:21:58continue technology at the

4:21:59same level. Honestly, given

4:22:03the dollar amounts that issue

4:22:04in our contracts with the

4:22:04technology vendors probably

4:22:05come to you. I in the normal

4:22:08course anyway, but it wouldn't

4:22:09be called out under provision

4:22:11because that existing.

4:22:16Regulation and language in in

4:22:17the chapter of caught on

4:22:20surveillance technology

4:22:21expressly authorizes the use

4:22:22of those technologies so they

4:22:22wouldn't be coming back to

4:22:23you. You know, every the next

4:22:25that body worn camera

4:22:28technology contract is

4:22:29renewed. If the capabilities

4:22:31aren't changing, it would come

4:22:31back to just in the normal

4:22:32course of contract approval.

4:22:35But it wouldn't come to under

4:22:36this section.

4:22:40>> Can you maybe touch on

4:22:41material for that? I guess. it

4:22:43could help me out a little bit

4:22:45with with what would fall

4:22:46under that verse. It like.

4:22:48What would or wouldn't fall

4:22:49into that?

4:22:57>> I don't have a specific

4:22:57example, but I think it would

4:22:59be preps. The chief could

4:22:59speak to Examples of how, you

4:23:03know, for example, your drone

4:23:04technology could be materially

4:23:06expended by contract things.

4:23:06have to upgrade the contract

4:23:09or pay more money to expand

4:23:09capability. And this would

4:23:13trying to think of a past

4:23:14example might be better. I

4:23:18think about it. What you steps

4:23:19up. And I see judge of cases

4:23:24also wanting to respond. Madam

4:23:27Chair, where the question

4:23:28comes from Mrna.

4:23:35>> 2 things that may be

4:23:36relevant first is. I think the

4:23:39process to get here because

4:23:40there's a there's a side on

4:23:42the administration said that

4:23:44we go through. So just think

4:23:44that may be important for

4:23:45everyone to understand before

4:23:46even gets down the road to

4:23:48you, folks. There's

4:23:48relatively. Intensive process

4:23:52to go through before you even

4:23:53get to test a piece of

4:23:55technology that includes, you

4:23:57know, the department that

4:23:58requesting it to municipal

4:23:59attorney's office risk

4:24:01managers, it department

4:24:01municipal managers. So

4:24:04>> all of that has to pass

4:24:06that gauntlet.

4:24:07>> Before we even get to test

4:24:08anything. So And just think

4:24:10it's important for everyone to

4:24:11know that. Directors don't get

4:24:15to just run road and start

4:24:16testing implementing stuff and

4:24:17then asking for $200,000 to

4:24:19we'll cool piece technology.

4:24:22To answer the direct question

4:24:23of number. And Lynn. Real time

4:24:28Crime Center and data coming

4:24:29into the real time crime

4:24:31center in the form videos.

4:24:32There's always enhancements

4:24:34that are coming in,

4:24:35particularly in the area of

4:24:37artificial search

4:24:38capabilities. You know, 5

4:24:41years ago when we search

4:24:43database, nobody said

4:24:45artificial intelligence, even

4:24:46though there may have been

4:24:46under today's definition, some

4:24:49version of our turn artificial

4:24:50intelligence that enhance that

4:24:53search capabilities. Now, we

4:24:54all know that search

4:24:56capabilities or artificial

4:24:57intelligence to some extent.

4:25:01Axon was to add. Better search

4:25:05capabilities of video, for

4:25:07example, that had an

4:25:08artificial intelligence

4:25:08component. That is definitely

4:25:11going to be a material change

4:25:13under this. And I have to come

4:25:14talk about what that

4:25:16artificial intelligence is

4:25:16doing. In order search the

4:25:20data that's coming in. That

4:25:23would be an example or I we

4:25:24would have to have that

4:25:26conversation because the word

4:25:26has such a broad meeting that.

4:25:28You know, that may not bother

4:25:31you at all and someone else on

4:25:32the dice. It's gonna bother

4:25:34them greatly. Yeah. The

4:25:37public. Yeah. Maybe maybe

4:25:37Irving us might. I guess

4:25:41concern potentially as as

4:25:43technology advances where you

4:25:44can sit there. I'm like, okay,

4:25:45here to one year later, we can

4:25:46to then say, hey, there's a

4:25:47big jump.

4:25:49>> But if there is like small

4:25:50incremental changes in the

4:25:51staff that leads us to there,

4:25:53does that then make it not a

4:25:55material change because it's

4:25:56more of hate content. A bunch

4:25:59of continuous software updates

4:26:00that eventually lead us to

4:26:02something where if we were to

4:26:03look back a year and like, oh,

4:26:04hey, that that was. A material

4:26:06change.

4:26:11>> agree with you on that

4:26:12because I think there's

4:26:14there's if we're looking at

4:26:15what the software, you know,

4:26:16suffer across the board that

4:26:17we have. There are little

4:26:17incremental changes that

4:26:18absolutely get pushed out.

4:26:19Now, be honest with you. Many

4:26:20of those incremental changes,

4:26:22the consumer that purchase it

4:26:25doesn't know what's even

4:26:25happening and therefore

4:26:26doesn't get to use it. Believe

4:26:27it or not. These things happen

4:26:29to our systems. And we find

4:26:30out months and months later

4:26:32that, you know, there's a new

4:26:34upgrade that you can actually

4:26:35use that would make this

4:26:35easier. So there's always kind

4:26:38of that with technology push

4:26:40the these changes that are

4:26:40going to come about that

4:26:42either the vendor doesn't

4:26:44adequate, put that information

4:26:46out or it the end user just

4:26:48doesn't even use it. And that

4:26:512 or 3 years down the road,

4:26:52U.S. incrementally potential.

4:26:53They can't add up. That may be

4:26:55what call a material change.

4:26:57But that's just a technology

4:26:58error world we're living in

4:26:59and it's across the board on

4:27:02numerous platforms, a

4:27:03technology that we're getting.

4:27:05It's a challenge that comes

4:27:06cloud-based services. system

4:27:09is the same way like those

4:27:10things are pushed. Over the

4:27:12cloud services that we have.

4:27:13And that's that's just wait.

4:27:15Tech work right now. Thank you

4:27:17so

4:27:21>> Mr. Johnson on the

4:27:23Amendment. Yeah. Yes, chair.

4:27:24Thank you. I am.

4:27:27>> All will say appreciate the

4:27:29spirit of this amendment. It

4:27:30does raise some concerns for

4:27:30me for one. I mean, I think

4:27:31really are. Primary concern

4:27:36here as we do want to see

4:27:37technology capabilities

4:27:38expanded in a way beyond what

4:27:39we have approved, what we

4:27:41contemplated. But I think

4:27:42there are other sections of

4:27:43the version that really to my

4:27:44mind adequately address. That

4:27:49I'm also concerned someone I

4:27:50think some of the number of

4:27:53the amendments were looking

4:27:54and the conversations here

4:27:56that we waiting to very

4:27:56hypothetical space about what

4:27:57we may think future Police

4:28:00Department future

4:28:01administration and understand

4:28:02we want to have some

4:28:03guardrails here. I mean, the

4:28:08reality is, policies always a

4:28:10public document is always

4:28:11something the assembly is

4:28:12access review. And then I

4:28:13think some of these

4:28:15notification requirement

4:28:16something will be aware of.

4:28:16And so I just I'm nervous

4:28:18about. When we when we go too

4:28:23far down the hypothetical path

4:28:24of what it's I don't think

4:28:26seeing the foreseeable future,

4:28:27at least. And really with this

4:28:30in particular, it feels to

4:28:33write. I mean, when we say

4:28:36something, because as far as

4:28:37any sample policies or any

4:28:39marketing materials provided

4:28:40by the vendors. I think it was

4:28:43kind of pointed out. The

4:28:44Chiefs example, I'm not sure

4:28:45exactly how we would define

4:28:45that. And I I would be.

4:28:49Cautious about putting in the

4:28:51code, something that is not

4:28:53easy for us to understand or

4:28:55enforce in such a way that

4:28:55somebody may read it the way

4:28:58that that would lead them to

4:28:59the conclusion that even

4:29:01unintentionally we have failed

4:29:02to abide by the provisions put

4:29:03in the code. And I think it

4:29:06would be hard for us to

4:29:07understand exactly what. Would

4:29:10meet the definition is spelled

4:29:11out in this amendment. So I

4:29:11think the spirit of was trying

4:29:14to do is already been

4:29:15addressed else from the

4:29:16ordinance. But the the actual

4:29:19consequences of trying to.

4:29:21Adopt such a a broad and and

4:29:26it is provided here. It is

4:29:27something that gives me worry.

4:29:30>> Mr. Presser year you on the

4:29:32amendment. Let's go ahead.

4:29:36>> I really appreciate members

4:29:37Johnson's comments he says

4:29:38that's helped to clarify.

4:29:38Think the concern that I have

4:29:39as well and you know what? I

4:29:43know we're not the ones and to

4:29:44the whole idea here, but we've

4:29:45gone down a whole road here in

4:29:46a narrative that I think is

4:29:47really not health healthy. I

4:29:50think this concerns concerns

4:29:51me because it if there is

4:29:55going to be significant

4:29:57change, it's likely going to

4:29:59cost money. It's likely going

4:30:01to be a policy change. It's

4:30:02like there's whole bunch of

4:30:02ways that we will know. and

4:30:07and I and I really want to be

4:30:08careful about what we put in

4:30:10code it this this is not this

4:30:13is not something that I think

4:30:14is necessary at this point. I

4:30:16think this is something that

4:30:18we can look at later. Once we

4:30:19are a little further down the

4:30:21road of of understanding the

4:30:22policies that we need to have

4:30:23a place and how they how

4:30:24they're playing out. So I

4:30:26would really encourage members

4:30:27to voted this down. It does

4:30:30not need to be in code. I

4:30:31think we have enough

4:30:32guardrails right now to ensure

4:30:33that if there was something

4:30:34significant that needed to

4:30:36change, that there would be a

4:30:37number of ways that we would

4:30:38be aware of. It and could rule

4:30:39on it. Some. That's the that's

4:30:42my position. encourage my

4:30:43colleagues to vote no on this.

4:30:47>> Mr. Presser, Dion site, Mr.

4:30:48Martinez on the Amendment. So

4:30:57essentially.

4:30:57>> What I just heard was and I

4:30:58just to other member that just

4:31:02spoke, Mr. Johnson, almost a

4:31:03is just to confirm. It is the

4:31:09belief that this is

4:31:12unnecessary because there's

4:31:15that protections already as as

4:31:18you all believe within the the

4:31:19ordinance itself. So this is

4:31:20to some degree of

4:31:23>> extra here is that

4:31:24additional or excessive will?

4:31:27Is that the basic nature of B?

4:31:31The argument against? This

4:31:34particular amendment.

4:31:39>> Is that a question to

4:31:40either those members? Yeah,

4:31:41Mr. Johnson or Mister

4:31:41President.

4:31:44>> I mean, I would say yes. I

4:31:45think it is excessive. I think

4:31:47that the the actual safeguards

4:31:48were trying to implement our

4:31:49addressed other wells for this

4:31:49ordinance. But I think it

4:31:53creates potential jeopardy for

4:31:55us beyond what I think is

4:31:58intended, perhaps by the

4:31:59sponsor, this amendment in

4:32:00such a way that we may

4:32:03unintentionally even violator

4:32:03code. it's adopted as written

4:32:04here. Thank you for that. So

4:32:09essentially what I heard was

4:32:11on the one hand hypothetical

4:32:15situations that go too far

4:32:15out. There shouldn't be. Wait

4:32:19with so much. Credibility

4:32:23because their hypothetical, on

4:32:24the other hand. The

4:32:27hypothetical situation of

4:32:30that's just been described

4:32:32essentially is still here. So

4:32:34I just see the idea additional

4:32:37guardrails leading to a

4:32:39hypothetical jeopardy is

4:32:43similar to folks saying

4:32:44there's jeopardy without

4:32:46guardrails.

4:32:50>> And and from my vantage

4:32:50point out, support the

4:32:51amendment primarily because I

4:32:56don't see that redundancy adds

4:32:58additional burden and I don't

4:32:59see the jeopardy. Per se. What

4:33:01I do see is that in any which

4:33:04way, shape or form we can

4:33:06communicate to the public.

4:33:10There's a check box there. And

4:33:11there's an additional check

4:33:12box and there's another

4:33:14guardrail, too. I think that

4:33:16that speaks to the integrity

4:33:18of this body, respecting. What

4:33:22we've heard from the public.

4:33:24So I don't think we've heard

4:33:25any member of the public say

4:33:26we should have Les guardrails

4:33:31and maybe they did. Maybe they

4:33:32were. But I didn't get that.

4:33:33The message. And so I just

4:33:36wanted to square the idea that

4:33:37I don't hear that this

4:33:40amendment usurps undermines or

4:33:43changes the fundamental nature

4:33:44of. The other places that

4:33:48might create the opportunity

4:33:50to compel notification to the

4:33:51admit to the assembly. So

4:33:55essentially more opportunities

4:33:57for oversight of the better.

4:34:01The argument is. Not so I

4:34:06think that more guardrails,

4:34:09especially if they're not

4:34:10contradictory on the face of

4:34:12it is a fine is a fine thing.

4:34:17and I just for clarification

4:34:17to the sponsor. Just to go

4:34:21back to those. This is for

4:34:22things that are materially

4:34:23changing. And your request is

4:34:26in addition to the memorandum

4:34:27that we would get, you want

4:34:30additional information about

4:34:31the vendor. And the stuff that

4:34:35they may have received in

4:34:36terms of marketing materials

4:34:36at the time. Earlier on maybe

4:34:38what we would get is that.

4:34:43Yes, thank you. And 10 is an

4:34:44information memorandum so that

4:34:45their materials attached.

4:34:48>> few additional materials

4:34:48that would otherwise come to

4:34:49Yes, that's correct. Thank

4:34:51you. I think that's very

4:34:52helpful clarifying. I

4:34:53appreciate it. I encourage my

4:34:56colleagues to support the

4:34:56amendment.

4:34:59>> Okay. And I have Mister

4:34:59Johnson, thank you again for

4:35:02the amendment.

4:35:03>> Yeah, want to belabor it,

4:35:04but I just maybe want to to to

4:35:05start a little more. The

4:35:06scenario that I'm concerned

4:35:06about. So so. We find that APD

4:35:09wants to expand Israel's

4:35:12technologies that in a way

4:35:13that, you know, triggers

4:35:13paragraph G is written here,

4:35:16these contracts have to be

4:35:18approved by the assembly. And

4:35:20it brings on some new minor

4:35:22future that we agree is

4:35:23reasonable. because we have

4:35:24this approval process in

4:35:24place. We support it. But

4:35:28there's this provision in here

4:35:29that any marketing materials

4:35:31must also come to the

4:35:32assembly. And is the chief

4:35:33pointed out? I mean, they get.

4:35:35Hit with these all the time.

4:35:37So somebody down the road

4:35:38through 4 years, some other

4:35:39mechanism finds you know what

4:35:39the a M head. 12 marketing

4:35:43emails from the vendor. But it

4:35:46didn't have the other 3

4:35:47marketing emails that ended up

4:35:48in the spam folder there for

4:35:49the assembly field to provider

4:35:50that. Department failed to

4:35:53provide all the marketing

4:35:54materials that were provided

4:35:54by the vendor. And therefore,

4:35:57we have violated the code. I

4:35:59mean, to me, that seems like

4:36:00something that could easily

4:36:00happen unintentionally, but

4:36:01could potentially. Violate the

4:36:05letter of the law as it is

4:36:06written here under this

4:36:08amendment and

4:36:09>> maybe maybe the way I am

4:36:10vision potentially playing

4:36:12outages. Not grounded in

4:36:17reality in which case I would

4:36:18invite the chief or somebody

4:36:19from the administration to

4:36:20tell me that a

4:36:20misunderstanding it. But that

4:36:21is.

4:36:21>> The concern I have.

4:36:29>> Okay. Not see anyone else

4:36:30responding, Mr. Martinez,

4:36:31Honor. I'm sorry, Mr. that.

4:36:32Spoken on the amendment yet.

4:36:33Call the question. Marcus

4:36:38Cause actions or second. Okay.

4:36:43I'm sorry. 8. can slow down

4:36:49per So the question is called

4:36:51by Mr. Barker second by Mr.

4:36:52Vaughan, that's the first

4:36:53person heard. Not a debatable

4:36:54motion. So we'll turn to the

4:36:58vote. How does the U.S.

4:36:59representative vote on calling

4:36:59the question on this

4:37:00amendment?

4:37:19a vote of 10 to 2?

4:37:22The questions been called so

4:37:23we will move into a vote. This

4:37:24is a vote amendment number 9

4:37:262026, 1, 0, yes. And members

4:37:30may proceed to vote as soon as

4:37:31the court catches up. And in

4:37:33the meantime, how does the

4:37:33Representative vote? Can the

4:37:40vote is up now for members?

4:37:50Can a vote of 5 to 7 amendment

4:37:519 has Also know just because I

4:37:53checked the time it is

4:37:5410:00PM. I will double check

4:37:55on the once again. We started

4:37:58debate at 9.18, and now. Yes,

4:38:0515 minutes left and also note

4:38:05for the first representative,

4:38:07you're welcome to stay. You're

4:38:08also welcome to go because I

4:38:08know it's a school night. So

4:38:10feel free to leave whenever

4:38:11you're ready. Or you're

4:38:11welcome to stick around. Okay.

4:38:13So next reset next in the

4:38:18queue. Have We're back on the

4:38:19main motion Monday are next in

4:38:19the queue. Thank you. Would

4:38:23like to move followed a

4:38:24amendment number 12 placed

4:38:24second. Motion by miss pollen

4:38:29data move 5 and a amendment

4:38:29number 12, 0nd, Mr. Vaughan

4:38:30was pathetic. Thank you. This

4:38:33amendments. next change in 2

4:38:38places, both in Section 4 and

4:38:39Section 5 in Parts D.

4:38:42>> Assembly, notification of

4:38:43policy changes. I.

4:38:48>> I have adjusted this to

4:38:50state that that notification

4:38:51comes to the assembly in

4:38:54advance of change in policy.

4:38:56I'm less. There is a legal

4:39:01requirement. Otherwise. So

4:39:03that and if the change, the

4:39:06policy is required by law than

4:39:09we are notified within 30 days

4:39:11of that modification being

4:39:11made. I think that's all I'm

4:39:16happy to take questions the I

4:39:19had the idea is that our

4:39:21oversight. To include advance

4:39:26notification rather than after

4:39:27the fact and my colleagues

4:39:28will support. Thank you. Okay,

4:39:32I'll check Gardener is as

4:39:33you're in the queue. Was that

4:39:35from a prior item a chemically

4:39:35you out to the next to go to

4:39:36Miss Martinez on the

4:39:37amendment.

4:39:41>> We view for the main Mr.

4:39:42Press for on the Amendment.

4:39:44>> Yeah. Just like the missile

4:39:45tourney justice is speak to

4:39:45this. Is this something that

4:39:50administration supports? I

4:39:55think my understanding that

4:39:56this is something that the

4:40:00administration does support

4:40:01and has no concerns with think

4:40:03they're able to speak with

4:40:04them for both Monday. And

4:40:07interesting to that region.

4:40:08She did take the suggestion to

4:40:09put in the exception for

4:40:11changes are part by law. Happy

4:40:12explain that if anyone is

4:40:13curious, but otherwise, yes,

4:40:14it's fine.

4:40:19>> Yeah, I I think this really

4:40:20does address some of the

4:40:21conversation we had earlier

4:40:22that. But we want to make sure

4:40:24that, but we're aware of

4:40:26changes and I think this is a

4:40:28reasonable way to approach

4:40:28that in that if there is a

4:40:32significant change that's

4:40:32going to happen. I think the

4:40:36police chief would have done

4:40:37it anyway. I think that's

4:40:38normal practice. But but but

4:40:41this ensures that that there's

4:40:42something in law that

4:40:46motivates the administration

4:40:47to add to let us know in

4:40:47advance. And I really I

4:40:51particularly like the fact

4:40:52that it doesn't if there's a

4:40:53legal reason for a change to

4:40:54happen, that it doesn't hold

4:40:56that up. But it ensures that

4:40:58we are notified soon after. So

4:41:01I think it's it's it's a great

4:41:02way to address the

4:41:04conversation we've been having

4:41:05about making sure that we are

4:41:06lock step with the

4:41:08administration in terms of any

4:41:10changes that there that we're

4:41:11aware of it and then we can

4:41:11act on that. So I I at this

4:41:15point unless I hear a

4:41:17compelling argument from one

4:41:17of my colleagues, I'd like to

4:41:18support this things. Okay.

4:41:21Next go on the amendment.

4:41:25>> I would like to understand

4:41:29the legal definition,

4:41:30particularly in the context of

4:41:32this policy of material

4:41:35modification. And I'd love

4:41:36some examples of changes that.

4:41:38Would be considered material

4:41:42modifications and examples of

4:41:44what would not be a material

4:41:44modification. direct that to

4:41:50them assembly, legal counsel

4:41:52and or the municipal attorney.

4:41:56But when ask our council

4:41:57first,

4:41:59>> and I drafted this one. So

4:42:00I guess I have this one

4:42:01coming. material. Sorry. He's

4:42:05council heard. Go the mentor

4:42:10modification would be

4:42:11something that would be. The

4:42:13substance could leave. Alter

4:42:18the policy. So not a change in

4:42:19structure or some tax or just

4:42:21word choice, but something

4:42:22that would represent a

4:42:23substantive change in policy.

4:42:25>> So that actual procedures

4:42:27would be altered by that

4:42:28change.

4:42:30>> Okay. So. I guess I would

4:42:34like some example. So, for

4:42:35example, if we were just

4:42:39talking about if the data

4:42:40retention policy changed from.

4:42:4414 to 14.5 days with that be a

4:42:45material modification.

4:42:49>> lateral to the municipal

4:42:50attorney on the

4:42:54>> threw the chair and happy

4:42:55to answer these questions

4:42:56because that her material

4:42:57modification was something

4:42:58that comes from the version.

4:42:59This is just expanded Expect

4:43:03expanding that section and

4:43:04putting a different approach

4:43:05on it. So chairman of the

4:43:07commission versus not much of

4:43:08modification. If remember

4:43:12something, move things around

4:43:13in the policy, reorder them,

4:43:17some type of you know, change

4:43:19some morning streamline things

4:43:20that would not be a material

4:43:21modification. It's not really

4:43:22changing anything major about

4:43:22how the policy, what people do

4:43:25and complex that policy. It's

4:43:26you. Dramatically expand what

4:43:33you know. It can certain

4:43:34technology can be used used

4:43:36for for mature dramatically

4:43:37limit restrict it. That would

4:43:37be a material modification by

4:43:40definition. So this amendment

4:43:42retains a something from the

4:43:43version, which is that any

4:43:45change in the retention

4:43:48timelines would be

4:43:49automatically be a material

4:43:50modification. So by

4:43:52definition, I would say

4:43:53ordinarily without that

4:43:54language from the U.S. version

4:43:55that is in this amendment. If

4:43:57you change it from 14 days to

4:43:5814 and have to is I don't

4:44:00think that would normally be

4:44:01something that we would say is

4:44:02a material modification. But

4:44:04recognizing that the retention

4:44:06timelines are have been

4:44:07subject of a lot of discussion

4:44:11our of high interest in are

4:44:15really important. then we did

4:44:16definition that by definition,

4:44:17same material change would

4:44:18include any change to that.

4:44:19>> Thank you very much. That's

4:44:21very helpful. I support this

4:44:25item and urge my colleagues to

4:44:25do the same.

4:44:30>> Okay. Moving through the

4:44:31myself that I'm in for the

4:44:32main Mr handle and are you in

4:44:33for the amendment? That wasn't

4:44:34the main as well. Mccormick

4:44:35for the amendment. Yeah. Thank

4:44:43Just want to

4:44:44>> Memorable one day. Bring

4:44:45this up. I would have liked

4:44:47from Code language not

4:44:48changing. Paul, not changing

4:44:53retention policy, but this is

4:44:55a find compromise to say that

4:44:59we at least get notified

4:44:59before it happens and not

4:45:00afterwards. So thank you.

4:45:04Okay. And Mr. Press media on

4:45:04the amendment. And for the

4:45:06Maine. So I think we've gone

4:45:11through the Q so members may

4:45:15proceed to vote. This is

4:45:16amendment number 12 26 108 S.

4:45:18>> How does the U.S.

4:45:19representative? And members

4:45:23may proceed? But can a vote of

4:45:3212 to 0 Amendment number 12

4:45:32has passed unanimously. We are

4:45:37back in chair. make motion to

4:45:39extend debate.

4:45:40>> I think we're going to run

4:45:40up it until yeah, yeah, we

4:45:45were at a 90 teens were 10 11.

4:45:45So yes, I do want to pick it a

4:45:46time. Optimistically 10, 30.

4:45:53Okay. There's a motion to

4:45:55extend debate that would

4:45:56normally and a 10 by 10, 18 to

4:45:5710, 30 by Mr. Bowen is their

4:45:58second.

4:45:58>> Second by Miss Park. Any

4:46:00objection to extension of

4:46:01debate? Martinez objects. We

4:46:04will vote. And the motion is

4:46:11extending debates to 10:30PM.

4:46:13How does the Representative

4:46:14vote? Okay and members proceed

4:46:19to vote.

4:46:34And a vote of 11 to

4:46:36one debate has been extended

4:46:36on item to 10, 30. I have

4:46:39myself next in the queue are

4:46:40back on. The meme is growing.

4:46:42Thank you. So I will note I

4:46:44don't intend to move this

4:46:45amendment, but I just wanted

4:46:45to speak briefly to the intent

4:46:49and exit the Amendment 10

4:46:50would have had. And part of

4:46:53the reason is because this is

4:46:54essentially proposes a place

4:46:55holder so it would not have

4:46:57made any code changes per se

4:46:58other than adding a reserved

4:47:01item. But I would also note

4:47:02that the the actionable item

4:47:03of it would be to review the

4:47:06issue of signal surveillance.

4:47:07So that is not addressed in

4:47:07the ordinance today or at

4:47:10least not not by name. It is.

4:47:12It's a type of surveillance

4:47:14which can use different

4:47:14signals from different devices

4:47:17to put together a detailed

4:47:18picture of someone's movements

4:47:18or or other characteristics

4:47:20about them. Utilizing things

4:47:22as simple as a cell phone I'm

4:47:25not moving that amendment. But

4:47:26I will note that I would

4:47:26highly encourage for the new

4:47:28newly formed ad hoc committee

4:47:30in place of what was written

4:47:33in Section 10 to take a look

4:47:34at that and consider

4:47:36specifically not only whether

4:47:38the department or the

4:47:38municipality would use this,

4:47:40but also whether excuse me,

4:47:43whether we would accept this

4:47:47data from 3rd parties and what

4:47:48situation. So that's why we're

4:47:49just now. I just wanted to

4:47:49make the opportunity to say

4:47:50that I'm not gonna move this

4:47:51amendment specifically. I know

4:47:52we are already moving through

4:47:53a number of amendments, but I

4:47:55highly encourage that this

4:47:56general topic be addressed in

4:47:59the future because signal so

4:48:00signals surveillance is

4:48:00another area of evolving

4:48:04technology and capability to

4:48:04put multiple datasets together

4:48:06that I will 2 great gable. So

4:48:09back on the main motion one

4:48:100nd. Okay. Palin, the only one

4:48:16who spoke on the main so far

4:48:17tonight as the next Point.

4:48:20Thank you. I'm gonna move on

4:48:21amendment number 11.

4:48:25>> Okay. Motion by Mr. Going

4:48:26to move on amendment number

4:48:2711, 0nd by Miss Scout, Mr.

4:48:30>> Thank you. So what this

4:48:32would as it would require

4:48:36either judicial warrant or and

4:48:41Apr search be justified by

4:48:42exigent circumstances and

4:48:43based upon probable cause to

4:48:47even do a search with an

4:48:47automatic license plate

4:48:48reader. And I'm bringing this

4:48:50forward. Because I think it's

4:48:57important to uphold my oath to

4:48:58the Constitution. Recently,

4:49:00there was a a court case

4:49:04United States versus Kyle. And

4:49:07with U.S. District Judge Terry

4:49:08Hill, the Northern District of

4:49:10Oklahoma ruling that a law

4:49:13enforcement officers,

4:49:14warrantless search of

4:49:15historical automated license

4:49:16plate reader data violated the

4:49:174th Amendment. And that is

4:49:22that is a big impetus of why

4:49:24I'm even working on underlying

4:49:26item because I want to protect

4:49:27Alaskans rights to privacy. So

4:49:32what happened is a Tulsa

4:49:33County sheriff's deputy

4:49:34followed. The defendants. Suv

4:49:40simply because it had a a

4:49:42California license plate.

4:49:46Without a warrant or

4:49:48independent probable cause.

4:49:49The deputy queried flock

4:49:51safety and another alpr data

4:49:52pace. That database or treat

4:49:56more than 50 location. Records

4:49:59spanning roughly 30 days.

4:49:59Multiple states and

4:50:00reconstructed her travel

4:50:01history. The deputy leader

4:50:06pulled her over for a traffic

4:50:07infraction for following too

4:50:08closely and requested the

4:50:09canine unit. So the judge

4:50:13actually granted the motion to

4:50:14suppress the alpr evidence.

4:50:19And the approximately 91

4:50:20pounds of methamphetamine

4:50:21found inside the vehicle. So

4:50:25the court concluded that

4:50:28accessing aggregated long-term

4:50:29lpr history constitutes a

4:50:30search under the 4th

4:50:30Amendment. Which requires a

4:50:32warrant. Distinguishing it

4:50:37from pleading observations on

4:50:38public roads under United

4:50:39States be knots. So. This rare

4:50:48federal ruling applying 4th

4:50:50Amendment protections against

4:50:52indiscriminate mass

4:50:53surveillance, network to

4:50:53license plate readers. I think

4:50:56that this is something that

4:50:56when you take seriously and I

4:51:00think that this is a real

4:51:01conversation that we need to

4:51:01have. And so. With that as the

4:51:09background in humility, I

4:51:09bring this forward. For me. I

4:51:14don't think we need to be

4:51:15doing unlawful search and

4:51:15seizures. Whether that's

4:51:19through the use of technology

4:51:21or otherwise. Thank you. Madam

4:51:21Chair. Can Press for on the

4:51:25Amendment. Thanks. If I can

4:51:27have the the minutes that the

4:51:29attorney and or the police

4:51:30chief speak to this as to

4:51:31whether the administration

4:51:32supports it and what concerns

4:51:33they may have terms of how

4:51:34this would affect the code and

4:51:37>> how it will pull out or

4:51:38wouldn't

4:51:42>> Thank you. This is not an

4:51:43amendment the administration

4:51:46supports there. Concerns this.

4:51:49What? Restrict APD's ability

4:51:55to use this technology to

4:51:56perform some very important

4:51:57public safety that the chief

4:51:58speak about. exactly how how

4:52:00this would appears operations

4:52:01and happy if Members would

4:52:04like to discuss the court

4:52:06case, but trouble in right up

4:52:10if there's interest, I'm gonna

4:52:10go forward unless somebody cut

4:52:11me off. So that recently

4:52:15decided case. I you, USP

4:52:19Kyle's and Northern District

4:52:19of Oklahoma case to a federal

4:52:21trial court that has not gone

4:52:22through appellate review yet.

4:52:24And it at that case is an

4:52:26outlier. The court decision in

4:52:28that eye itself in that in the

4:52:29opinion that made those

4:52:31findings said based on the

4:52:33court's research, it appears

4:52:34that nearly every court

4:52:36examining the issue to date

4:52:36has determined that alpr

4:52:37technology use is not a search

4:52:39under the 4th Amendment

4:52:42because people have no

4:52:43reasonable expectation of

4:52:43privacy in their movements and

4:52:44public streets. And so the

4:52:47court that decision

4:52:48acknowledged it was going

4:52:50don't I don't know, Lynn,

4:52:51there other courts have not

4:52:52been going by contrast, trial

4:52:55courts across the country,

4:52:56federal trial courts and

4:52:58Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania,

4:53:00Louisiana, Kansas, Nebraska,

4:53:00Illinois, Florida, New Jersey.

4:53:03Most of them within the past

4:53:04couple of years. So not, you

4:53:05know, several years ago before

4:53:06this technology, as power was

4:53:08known, have have found have

4:53:11held the other way. And

4:53:12appellate courts in the 5th

4:53:12and 11th Circuit's have also

4:53:15found that use of license

4:53:15plate reader. Technology is

4:53:16not unlawful search and

4:53:17seizure. And so Vice Chair

4:53:19villains comment just to

4:53:21respond. Ap does not want to

4:53:23be engaging in unlawful

4:53:24searches and We definitely

4:53:25don't want to be doing that

4:53:27because it's not useful if you

4:53:28engage in unlawful search and

4:53:29seizure, if you violate the

4:53:314th Amendment when you're

4:53:32arresting somebody or

4:53:34investigating them, you can't

4:53:35charge them. The prosecution

4:53:37gets thrown out. And so it's

4:53:38counterproductive to Nobody

4:53:41wants to do it with respect.

4:53:43Constitutional rights. But it

4:53:44also is not even a means to an

4:53:45unpleasant means to an end I

4:53:49think the legal courts have

4:53:53not held that license plate

4:53:54reader use is illegal. The cow

4:53:57case was also a very, very

4:53:58different sexual circumstance

4:53:59that involved. License plate

4:54:03reader system look back over a

4:54:0530 day period and was hooked.

4:54:06connected to multiple states.

4:54:08And so is the court described

4:54:10it there. The officer had

4:54:12access to an entire month's

4:54:13worth of location, data tied

4:54:13to license plate and the

4:54:15license plate on Kyle's car,

4:54:17including more than 50

4:54:18sightings across multiple

4:54:20states. I think there is

4:54:22qualitative fundamental

4:54:25difference between I

4:54:27occasionally local use by a

4:54:28local, single local police

4:54:29force on not fixed roadside

4:54:32readers, but on only on patrol

4:54:33cars and police department

4:54:37system that is hooked into a

4:54:38nationwide network that is

4:54:39sharing data across borders

4:54:42and APD by policy. I and bike,

4:54:43you know, system

4:54:44configuration. Does kit system

4:54:48into any other license plate

4:54:52readers system did its not

4:54:52pulling data from any other

4:54:53states and its not sending

4:54:54data to any other states or

4:54:54even any other with an

4:54:59Anchorage municipalities. So

4:55:00again, don't turn to the chief

4:55:01to speak about the operational

4:55:02impacts. This would have. But

4:55:03I just want to clarify the

4:55:06law, distinguished even the

4:55:07facts of that case. So the

4:55:09assembly has that information

4:55:10as it decides. Ok, let's get

4:55:15to Chief kids wants respond.

4:55:15Also know we have currently 9

4:55:16minutes left for debate.

4:55:20>> To the chairman press

4:55:22Verdia. Did you did you want

4:55:22use an operational briefly?

4:55:25Yes, if you just give us a

4:55:26quick glimpse of how this

4:55:27would impact your ability to

4:55:28do your job. And let's give

4:55:32you some examples that we've

4:55:32already use the technology

4:55:33for.

4:55:34>> We had a FBI investigating

4:55:37a bomb threat. And that

4:55:40require to get a warrant to to

4:55:43that process. Where again a

4:55:44time that a license plate on

4:55:46the roadway there looking for

4:55:48some specific to try to get

4:55:49the meat accessed information

4:55:50on something that the cause

4:55:52pretty pretty significant

4:55:53risk. Polk safety think about

4:55:56simple things like traffic

4:55:57collision tree have 5 of them

4:55:59were between upd. And airport

4:56:03PD that we're investigating.

4:56:04Traffic collision

4:56:07investigations are going

4:56:07process on up on a very, very

4:56:09minor infraction. But frankly,

4:56:12would do the investigation.

4:56:14They just to turn over your

4:56:15insurance companies. They knew

4:56:16they were gonna be able to get

4:56:17information to help the

4:56:18citizen. So kind of all the

4:56:19way in one extreme end all the

4:56:23way to the extreme and

4:56:23examples that we just won't be

4:56:24able to help. Thanks. Thanks

4:56:26very much. I would encourage

4:56:28my colleagues to vote this

4:56:29down and I call the question.

4:56:34>> In question has been called

4:56:35by Mr. Press for second by Mr.

4:56:38Mccormick site not must become

4:56:39a service looking to screen

4:56:39Mr. Barker.

4:56:43>> Members may proceed to vote

4:56:43on calling the question, how

4:56:44does the youth representative

4:56:45vote?

4:57:07Okay once for the clerk?

4:57:15So normally this would say

4:57:19this past call in question

4:57:19requires a vote. So the

4:57:20questions been called so next

4:57:22to Mr. Mccormick in the queue

4:57:24kind of the queue, OK? So I

4:57:25think we are. Once a reset,

4:57:29Mr. Mccormick, thank you.

4:57:30Yeah. I guess I'll start with

4:57:33the. My comments at this is

4:57:36that the crux of the whole

4:57:39issue? This is the cornerstone

4:57:41piece without.

4:57:42>> Requiring warrant. To

4:57:44search someone's. History.

4:57:50Whole debate has been

4:57:51pointless and meaningless

4:57:53because we'll still out

4:57:54people's rights to be

4:57:55violated. I would like to ask

4:57:59the municipal attorney. We

4:58:00said that multiple courts, his

4:58:02reference an Oklahoma case

4:58:04have stated that. They'll PR

4:58:06searches. Art. Totally fine.

4:58:09Under the 4th Amendment.

4:58:12Alaska. Constitutional rights

4:58:17to privacy. That shall not be

4:58:19infringed. Are those searches

4:58:22allowable under our the more

4:58:24stringent Alaska

4:58:24Constitutional Rights. And

4:58:32what is we're having a legal

4:58:33conference over here? Could

4:58:34you repeat the question? Yeah.

4:58:34You say to that other courts

4:58:37have upheld that alpr searches

4:58:41are not a violation of

4:58:41someone's 4th Amendment right.

4:58:42What about their Alaska?

4:58:46Constitutional right to

4:58:47privacy? That shall not be

4:58:48infringed. Which has been

4:58:52upheld to be stricter than the

4:58:524th Amendment. the Supreme

4:58:57Court is not taking up the

4:58:57issue Lprs and your opinion as

4:59:03the attorney for the city to

4:59:04limit our liability. Is that

4:59:08we should go ahead and allow

4:59:09this technology, even though

4:59:11that our residents have a

4:59:12right premise that shall not

4:59:13be infringed. That is the

4:59:15limitation of liability that

4:59:15you're willing to take on for

4:59:16the city. Yes, this is not.

4:59:22>> An area I feel that

4:59:23we are facing a lot of legal

4:59:24risk again, because I think

4:59:25that if we had unlimited

4:59:29retention, right, if we did

4:59:30not have strict rules about

4:59:30when and how the data could be

4:59:32accessed. But I think a 14 day

4:59:34retention period. Word is

4:59:34accessed. Only for specific,

4:59:39you know, in connection with

4:59:40specific incidents, cases,

4:59:43investigations and where the

4:59:44vehicles are on public spaces.

4:59:45So I think that's something

4:59:46also to to pay attention to.

4:59:48So the United States Supreme

4:59:49Court like a lot of the case,

4:59:51law, the court cases that

4:59:52found that upheld using Lpr.

4:59:58Were you can trace them back

4:59:59through a couple of Supreme

5:00:00Court cases. One of them is

5:00:01from 1983. USB knots. And

5:00:06that's pretty foundational

5:00:10ruling. A person traveling in

5:00:10an automobile on public

5:00:12thoroughfares has no

5:00:13reasonable expectation of

5:00:14privacy and their movements

5:00:15from one place to another. And

5:00:17so these ridges are operating

5:00:18in public places. And then a

5:00:212018 more recently. interview

5:00:24s defined search as an

5:00:26official intrusion into a

5:00:27private sphere. And so these

5:00:28are very different

5:00:32circumstances. And again, the

5:00:32limited way in and careful way

5:00:35in which APD is using this

5:00:36technology is not something

5:00:40that I see liability and I

5:00:40have had other attorneys in my

5:00:41office look at this as well.

5:00:43So it's not just my off the

5:00:45cuff opinion. You think of

5:00:46acid, different hernia,

5:00:48constitutional.

5:00:49>> lot turning that they

5:00:50would. agree with you.

5:00:54>> Let's say you can get

5:00:55multiple attorneys into one

5:00:56room and you'll rarely come

5:00:57out with a single legal

5:00:58opinion, but also say the

5:00:59different attorneys have

5:00:59different perspectives and

5:01:01attorneys who work primarily.

5:01:04the defense, real fright

5:01:06criminal defense have may have

5:01:08more aggressive perspective on

5:01:09this attorneys who 10 to file

5:01:16lawsuits against governments,

5:01:17right, trace, or regulate

5:01:17adverse to a government

5:01:18agencies. We'll have tend to

5:01:20have a perspective that is

5:01:21affected by the types of

5:01:22cases. They see the types of

5:01:24clients they have in the types

5:01:24of arguments that they must.

5:01:25You know, I Lee, I would do

5:01:28their duty to be a cells that

5:01:30can make on behalf of those

5:01:31clients. So I think that you

5:01:31will get different

5:01:32perspectives from different

5:01:33attorneys based depending on

5:01:33the experience that they My

5:01:36perspective as U.S. but her

5:01:38knee the perspective of

5:01:39multiple other turning to my

5:01:40office on this issue is that

5:01:42and again, we're going to

5:01:43defend them polity against

5:01:44litigation we don't have

5:01:46concerns about this.

5:01:48>> Yeah, I think we've brought

5:01:51up other experts in this area

5:01:52that were constitutional

5:01:52attorneys that have litigated

5:01:54in front of the U.S. Supreme

5:01:57Court that have very different

5:01:58views of and you brought up

5:02:03other court cases saying that

5:02:04people have expectation of

5:02:04privacy in public and a couple

5:02:08other cases. But I don't think

5:02:09those were litigate here in

5:02:10Alaska with the right to

5:02:11privacy. That shall not be

5:02:12infringed. But McKelvey was

5:02:14and that is about what drones

5:02:19and using it. Magnification of

5:02:22cameras on drones and that was

5:02:26cited to say that because you

5:02:28could detect someone's whole

5:02:29movement. And we started in

5:02:30the mosaic of someone's life

5:02:30in developing the mosaic of

5:02:32their life. And that was

5:02:33upheld to infringe privacy. So

5:02:36it sounds like we're starting

5:02:37to get into technology that

5:02:40again is developing a mosaic.

5:02:41And there's presidents that in

5:02:42the state Alaska would

5:02:43infringe on people's rights.

5:02:46I'd like to call chief case

5:02:48back up.

5:02:49>> Coming up, quick point of

5:02:50order. Madam Chair, we're

5:02:50going now time for debate. And

5:02:54to me that so I would move to

5:02:55postpone the speaker because

5:02:56to me, I would move to

5:03:00extended debate until I'm

5:03:01gonna say 10. 45? But that

5:03:04being instilling not pickle.

5:03:08Second.

5:03:09>> Okay. Motion to extend a

5:03:10Mr. to 10 and then second by

5:03:12Mister McCormick. Is there

5:03:13objection to extension? Senate

5:03:17Martinez? Okay. Then members

5:03:20proceed to vote. This is on

5:03:21motion to extend debate and

5:03:22I'll ask does how does the

5:03:23Representative vote? Yes, but

5:03:26I'm leaving right now. Get a

5:03:27fair enough. Again, the 2 us

5:03:33were elected to do this. You

5:03:34opted into this and you have

5:03:34school tomorrow. So okay. So

5:03:38make sure votes there. motion

5:03:42of 10 to 2 vote of 10 to 2.

5:03:46debate is extended to 10 45

5:03:47and we were on Mr. Mccormick,

5:03:48so please continue. Yet. You

5:03:51case we come up. You're

5:03:54talking about limitations that

5:03:55this would cause in your

5:03:58operations. He said there was

5:03:58there was a bomb threat.

5:03:59>> How this and have a a

5:04:04number of correct if there was

5:04:05a bomb threat. How of this?

5:04:08Yeah, you said if there's that

5:04:09there's an FBI case. You

5:04:09reference if there was bomb

5:04:11threat, how is this going to

5:04:13inhibit operations? And this

5:04:17would be requiring a search

5:04:19warrant from a federal partner

5:04:21to get access to help data.

5:04:23>> Hopefully, to help locate a

5:04:26vehicle on a public roadway

5:04:27with a license plate that does

5:04:28not belong to them and belongs

5:04:29to the state of Alaska. That

5:04:31potentially could give us a

5:04:33location of the vehicle and

5:04:35that would require a search

5:04:36warrant. And I think that it's

5:04:36a little bit outlandish that

5:04:39we just want the car roaming

5:04:41around. Yeah, when there is no

5:04:42expectation of privacy on that

5:04:44particular license, it would

5:04:46be outrageous which is a bomb

5:04:46threat next engine

5:04:47circumstance. I No, I don't

5:04:56think that we are using it. I

5:04:58don't like and are selling And

5:04:59Houston ship. Wow. Okay. So

5:05:03then there would be no

5:05:03probable cause to search his

5:05:04Threats are not a big deal. I

5:05:09think you're misusing the term

5:05:09exigent circumstance. Okay. I

5:05:11think we can all agree border

5:05:13at what's your point of order,

5:05:15Mr. president. I'm concerned

5:05:22about

5:05:22>> The tone and the approach

5:05:23that members taking towards

5:05:24one of our employees. Okay.

5:05:29I'm is not a procedural rule,

5:05:30but I will ask remind folks

5:05:32debate is not a back and

5:05:32forth. So I'll ask Mr.

5:05:34Mccormick.

5:05:35>> Please keep your questions

5:05:36tight. We have 14 minutes left

5:05:37I Wrapping up. I

5:05:42>> We can all agree that

5:05:45problem bomb threat would be

5:05:47probable cause extension

5:05:47circumstances to search. That

5:05:51type of logic is nonsensical.

5:05:53It would not require a warrant

5:05:54has written this is the crux

5:05:58peace. If this is not in it,

5:06:00this policy has done nothing

5:06:01to protect people's rights.

5:06:02And my main main concern here

5:06:03is not to limit tools. These

5:06:06tools are so powerful. We all

5:06:07know they're going to help

5:06:08police so much and they're

5:06:10going to catch so many

5:06:11criminals and get them off of

5:06:11our streets. The concern is

5:06:13that.

5:06:13>> When these cases get

5:06:15overturned, we're going to

5:06:16catch hundreds of people doing

5:06:18terrible, terrible crimes, get

5:06:20them locked up and then the

5:06:21prosecution is going to be.

5:06:25Turned over because we're

5:06:26going to have to go back and

5:06:27appeal these back because we

5:06:29violate someone's

5:06:30constitutional rights and

5:06:31they're all going to walk

5:06:31free. And we may not get a

5:06:35second chance at it because

5:06:35we've we've the evidence piece

5:06:36that tied it all together is

5:06:38is going to be taken away.

5:06:40That is the main concern here

5:06:42in this still allows Amber

5:06:43Alerts. It still is allow

5:06:44allows for how exigent

5:06:49circumstances. This is the

5:06:50protection peace or about.

5:06:50Thank you. Okay.

5:06:55>> on the amendment. Certainly

5:06:57such love for second. So

5:06:59resilient.

5:07:05>> Yeah, my question is either

5:07:08the sponsor or maybe the

5:07:09municipal attorney and I would

5:07:09just like to have search is

5:07:11defined. According to this

5:07:14amendment. And guess what I'm

5:07:18wondering is, does the search.

5:07:19Does that mean that, you know,

5:07:22police are scanning license

5:07:25plates for a ping or does that

5:07:26mean? That they are searching

5:07:28the data? For that you would

5:07:34retention period. Thank Yeah,

5:07:37I think stir I respond just to

5:07:38say I'm not really interested

5:07:39in the back and forth with the

5:07:40member dares.

5:07:43>> Much a legal precedent that

5:07:43she can research at her own

5:07:45volition to come up with a

5:07:46definition for search.

5:07:52>> Okay. Okay. I guess I'll

5:07:53direct my question municipal

5:07:53attorney. Coming with means in

5:07:57the context of this amendment.

5:08:00Thank Thanks for the question.

5:08:01So I did not just a moment,

5:08:05but I mean, as I read it, I

5:08:05think it is just a practical

5:08:06term restricts use of lprs, 2

5:08:09searches. I think it means

5:08:11searching the data, whether

5:08:11that's a ping or go back into

5:08:13the clerk rats. I don't know

5:08:14that this is meant in the

5:08:15legal like 4th Amendment. You,

5:08:16meaning of search what more

5:08:20could say, which for question.

5:08:23Okay. I mean, I guess I'm

5:08:23just. Wanting to know if this

5:08:26is going to apply to him. Just

5:08:27things. You know, using. The

5:08:32license plate readers or if

5:08:34that applies to. Searching the

5:08:36data. threw the chair. I mean,

5:08:43as I read it, it would apply

5:08:45to boost because a ping is

5:08:46search. You know. That data as

5:08:48well. So I think I would I

5:08:49would understand it to apply

5:08:51to any use a veil PR. They do

5:08:55want to also clarify but what

5:08:56it But it does. I so it would

5:08:59restrict the use of

5:09:00legislators effectively too.

5:09:03If you have a warrant, which

5:09:03means you have gone through

5:09:04the court process to get a

5:09:05warrant which sometimes takes

5:09:05around sometimes is quick. or

5:09:10justified by exigent

5:09:11circumstances. Emergency

5:09:12circumstances. But even that

5:09:13it's not just that alone, it's

5:09:15and and based on probable

5:09:17cause. And so you need to have

5:09:18both of those things and

5:09:19probable cause is actually the

5:09:20legal standard for getting a

5:09:22warrant and order to

5:09:24demonstrate probable cause in

5:09:25court that require sworn

5:09:26testimony, affidavits from

5:09:27officers. Swat testifying, you

5:09:30know, providing evidence to a

5:09:31judge that there's probable

5:09:33cause and so under be don't

5:09:34have to go to court, have

5:09:36probable cause. But have

5:09:38complaints, this policy was

5:09:38still need to make that record

5:09:41and develop that evidence and

5:09:42establish probable cause,

5:09:43which is a higher standard

5:09:44than is needed, for example,

5:09:45for a traffic stop. That's

5:09:47reasonable suspicion probable

5:09:48cause has a very specific

5:09:50legal meaning in context of

5:09:53criminal justice that might be

5:09:54hard to develop a record on

5:09:55that. While the exigent

5:09:56circumstances are happening.

5:09:57So if you need if you have an

5:10:00emergency and you need to run

5:10:02the place, you may not have

5:10:04time to fully establish

5:10:07document probable cause. in

5:10:07satisfaction of that. So would

5:10:08have some practical issues be

5:10:11her to use.

5:10:19>> Okay. Next in the Margaret,

5:10:19on the amendment. Thank you.

5:10:23Madam Chair, Mr. said he's

5:10:26been.

5:10:27>> Stated that absent this

5:10:29amendment, we run the risk of

5:10:30seen criminal convictions for.

5:10:33The worst of the worst. Our

5:10:34city being overturned is that

5:10:37is that analysis that a lot of

5:10:38shares?

5:10:42>> threw the chair. Know. I

5:10:43mean, we do not have that

5:10:44assessment and to provide a

5:10:46little real, real prospect.

5:10:52Real word that real world

5:10:53perspective on the legal

5:10:55developments, what license

5:10:56plate readers do is just their

5:10:57field of view right on the

5:11:00patrol vehicle. Way up use

5:11:02them. They see things that the

5:11:03officers can see anyway, right

5:11:05there, things that are already

5:11:06in the officers field. A few.

5:11:08And so the Alaska court case

5:11:09and the Alaska president that

5:11:12and number carcass

5:11:14referencing, it's really

5:11:15important to keep in mind and

5:11:17APD does think about those

5:11:17things all the time when they

5:11:18operate drones, when they, you

5:11:19know, I used even by not

5:11:23killers, right? And cameras

5:11:23could look into private

5:11:25spaces. We're glad to

5:11:26supercharge right? What you

5:11:27can actually see. But less is

5:11:30providers don't do that. They

5:11:31process it faster. But there's

5:11:32they're picking on data that

5:11:35an officer could take input

5:11:36into a system. You know, and

5:11:38look, man, you look at the

5:11:39results and actually APD's

5:11:40policy does require manual

5:11:43verification. You have to

5:11:44visually verify the number

5:11:44before you take any police

5:11:45action based off it and you

5:11:46have to verify the result in

5:11:49in the couple just a state so

5:11:51if not something you have to

5:11:51check, that it's actually a

5:11:52valid criminal justice record

5:11:53that matches that plate. So

5:11:55all of those things really

5:11:58paired with the retention

5:11:58timelines other eye policy

5:12:00requirement. City PD has do

5:12:02not make me concerned that

5:12:03we're going to end up with or

5:12:07prosecutions tossed out

5:12:09wholesale because where using

5:12:11this technology constitutional

5:12:14way.

5:12:14>> Right. So that this

5:12:15technology is helping us catch

5:12:16criminals and we're not

5:12:16running the risk of seeing

5:12:17those convictions overturned

5:12:20based off your legal analysis

5:12:20at this point, I like to call

5:12:22the question. Mr. Kerr second.

5:12:28Move to call the question and

5:12:29then seconded by Mr. Press

5:12:32Verdia, not a debatable

5:12:33motion. So I will ask and is

5:12:33there an objection?

5:12:36>> Martinez. So we will be

5:12:38voting and we don't have

5:12:41representative. So I will stop

5:12:42asking for his members and

5:12:43proceed to vote.

5:13:23Can a vote of

5:13:246 to 60 motion called

5:13:25questions fail. So we are Mr.

5:13:27Kirk, you at the floor. But

5:13:29you know back okay. Then next

5:13:32on the amendment, a scout. Or

5:13:36for the okay.

5:13:40>> Thank you. I'd like to get

5:13:42the

5:13:43>> sponsors perspective on.

5:13:45Whether he'd be open to

5:13:47ending. 3 be to remove. Okay,

5:13:56replace and with or?

5:13:58>> Yeah, I'm amenable to that.

5:13:59So I'm I'm actually maybe ask

5:14:03the clerk. So he has the

5:14:03floor. But can. And 3 be on

5:14:07this amendment. Since I'm the

5:14:10sole mover of this. Rather

5:14:14than go through a process to

5:14:15amend the amendment. Can I

5:14:15just change one word? That's

5:14:16part of this. And one moment

5:14:23Monday confirmed.

5:14:51Procedurally. responding to a

5:14:55question that the member has

5:14:56asked me if. I would be

5:14:58amenable to changing. The

5:15:02words were says justified, be

5:15:04exigent circumstances instead

5:15:06of saying and say or based

5:15:06upon probable cause. I'm just

5:15:09not sure. I don't have the

5:15:12floor to make a motion, but

5:15:13that would be amenable to And

5:15:15I don't know we can just

5:15:17automatically substitute that

5:15:17without going through process

5:15:18to amend to amendment.

5:15:24>> Okay. I think in the

5:15:25interest of time I'm going to

5:15:27suggest the ruling of the

5:15:28chair in this moment is that.

5:15:31That the underlying mover of

5:15:32the amendment can make that

5:15:33change to the word or and

5:15:37people can over relief. So on.

5:15:39Let's try to get through this.

5:15:42So just for clarity. So then

5:15:43indicted 3 B the line. The

5:15:45first time the word and would

5:15:49be changed or we can represent

5:15:49that up on the screen shortly.

5:15:53>> think Florida goes back to

5:15:55the disco that suggests rights

5:15:56of victims go.

5:16:02>> No further comment. And for

5:16:03moving forward, that sounds

5:16:03good to me.

5:16:05>> Okay. Next on the amendment

5:16:06has been Monday. Thank you.

5:16:07Chair. Question 2. Either

5:16:17chief case or the municipal

5:16:17attorney. So as I understand

5:16:20it. We currently utilize. I

5:16:29make let Adam license plate

5:16:30readers searches. To actually

5:16:32develop. Probable cause.

5:16:37Correct? We use that

5:16:40information to actually build

5:16:42the conditions under which a

5:16:43warrant can actually be sots.

5:16:45My correct. And that. Happy to

5:16:50take an answer from whoever

5:16:50wants to feel that. Casey

5:16:53chief, he's come. chairman all

5:16:56the great date could be. Could

5:16:58you could okay. In order to

5:17:03access that information to

5:17:07build enough of a case that

5:17:08you would have probable cause

5:17:09to go and seek a warrant. I

5:17:14believe that the way that this

5:17:15is constructed, you would have

5:17:16to have a warrant already. So

5:17:23I I think what's troubling to

5:17:24me about this amendment does

5:17:25is the circularity of it. We

5:17:27use this tool. 2. Collect

5:17:33information that allows us to

5:17:36develop probable cause so that

5:17:37we can get a warrant to

5:17:39understand whether or not the

5:17:40person that we are looking for

5:17:42is in fact, the person we're

5:17:43after. And you can't like to

5:17:45get a warrant to have a

5:17:48warrant to get a warrant that

5:17:51that doesn't make any sense to

5:17:51me. Procedurally. And so I

5:17:54think what I'm hearing on that

5:17:56tie us a bit of a

5:17:58misunderstanding and how

5:18:00investigations actually work

5:18:03and how much information is

5:18:05required in order to be able

5:18:06to seek a warrant. So I think

5:18:13the I understand and I I am

5:18:16very empathetic 2 and likewise

5:18:19concerned about the

5:18:20development of a mosaic of of

5:18:24people's movements around

5:18:24Anchorage. But I am I am not

5:18:29sure. This particular

5:18:36limitation does what we think

5:18:37it's doing. And for that

5:18:40reason, I don't think I can. I

5:18:41can support Because I think

5:18:45what it does is is it it dials

5:18:46our you to die.

5:18:49>> a break in with another

5:18:51point of order. But for

5:18:51Carpenter at time again,

5:18:52starting Monday. Some of took

5:18:55center for it to the motion. I

5:18:56want just briefly, I think

5:18:57we'll take that up. So

5:19:00>> we saw debate. We is still

5:19:01an order that we can make a

5:19:02motion to extend debate. I

5:19:02want to note for members.

5:19:04>> We have after this item. In

5:19:06theory we have 9 public

5:19:07hearing item. So it is not

5:19:08realistic that we will get to

5:19:09those even if we extend to

5:19:10midnight. So I will also say

5:19:12that if we extend debate

5:19:13further, we also need to

5:19:14extend the meeting time and I

5:19:17would also remind members that

5:19:18for multiple meetings now we

5:19:20have not made an opportunity

5:19:21for final audience

5:19:21participation. It is not

5:19:23required. However, I think the

5:19:24last 2 or maybe 3 meetings we

5:19:25abruptly ended and did not get

5:19:27to it for various reasons. And

5:19:28so I would ask that if we

5:19:31extend debate, I would also

5:19:32ask for that motion to extend

5:19:33the meeting to some period of

5:19:36time and that we reserve at

5:19:37least a few minutes because I

5:19:38don't know in the audience who

5:19:40may be wanting to participate,

5:19:41what we need to care for that

5:19:44otherwise end at 11. That will

5:19:45make motion. Thank I move to

5:19:46extend this debate until

5:19:4711:00PM aiming to extend our

5:19:48meeting 11, 30.

5:19:49>> Second.

5:19:52>> Okay. There's a motion to

5:19:53extend debate till 11:00PM for

5:19:55another 15 minutes and then

5:19:56extend the meeting to 11 30

5:19:57for by Mr. Vaughan, second

5:19:57time, a scout. I mean, us

5:20:00assume there's an objection.

5:20:01So we will vote on that.

5:20:21a

5:20:21motion of 11 to one. We are

5:20:22extending this debate on this

5:20:24item to 11:00PM in the meeting

5:20:25to 11:30PM, at the most. Point

5:20:30of information, which part of

5:20:33Martinez?

5:20:34>> Chair, if we reach the

5:20:35allotted time at 11 30 and

5:20:37they are still pending items.

5:20:37What would the next date for

5:20:38the meeting be? For items that

5:20:40we don't get too?

5:20:43>> The at this point, the 9

5:20:44remaining public hearing items

5:20:46that are still in our agenda

5:20:47for tonight will move to the

5:20:47meeting of November 17th.

5:20:52Which can be further extended

5:20:52in the future. But that's

5:20:53where they will go up. Okay. I

5:20:57believe this ball and they

5:20:58still have the floor. Yes,

5:20:59that's correct. I think it was

5:21:04heading with this is I

5:21:07appreciate the concern about

5:21:09developing a mosaic of

5:21:10people's behavior of patterns

5:21:11of movement. And I'm

5:21:13>> quite clear that is not

5:21:15anything that anyone on this

5:21:16diet is interested in

5:21:17facilitating. However. Well,

5:21:18we are talking about here.

5:21:19you do. Thank you for being

5:21:20here with us. And for I'm

5:21:22taking the time to work

5:21:23through these things. Both on

5:21:24the day, in the back channels.

5:21:28The change just to confirm. Of

5:21:31the word and 2 or is

5:21:35substantively helpful. I know

5:21:39you don't like the amendment

5:21:41in the first place, but is

5:21:42that an improvement with

5:21:42respect to the capacity that

5:21:43you looking for? To the It it

5:21:47helpful, although it doesn't

5:21:50impact might not fiction case

5:21:52that directly so helpful to

5:21:53better. Well, that we are we

5:21:58have an ad-hoc committee to

5:21:58look at some of the other.

5:22:03Cases and policies and

5:22:03procedures as we move forward.

5:22:05We passed that tonight as

5:22:06well. So I I'm sure that more

5:22:08work will be done on all of

5:22:09items. Thank you for taking

5:22:14the time on this particular

5:22:15amendment has been identified

5:22:17that this is the crux of

5:22:17things. I think there are

5:22:18several elements to this that

5:22:18are really important beyond

5:22:21this particular element. But

5:22:22expressed that as any it. At

5:22:26any level that I can. I want

5:22:28additional protections for the

5:22:30public. Well, as best as we

5:22:32can not hampering the tools

5:22:35police need. And I don't see

5:22:37that the case has been made,

5:22:39that this is a hamper as an

5:22:40amendment. I think this is

5:22:42aggressive in terms of

5:22:42protections. and I think the

5:22:45data will demonstrate whether

5:22:47or not that bad outcomes. I

5:22:52would be more concerned if we

5:22:54had the rate of usage of the

5:22:57license plates. Readers at a

5:22:58higher. Higher percentage that

5:23:03would be that would be very

5:23:04concerning to me because

5:23:04essentially it seems that we

5:23:06are able to still be police

5:23:09stable, still do their jobs.

5:23:13Without necessarily all of the

5:23:14most modern tools, not even

5:23:16being utilized by. They follow

5:23:21follow-up thought. Welcome it.

5:23:24Little off the docks. But I

5:23:25think that goes into that.

5:23:28This idea the mosaic theory,

5:23:29and that's kind of the point

5:23:30that we're trying to make

5:23:31about our use of the license

5:23:31plate readers. The fact that

5:23:34we that were mobile who are

5:23:35not fixed in our license plate

5:23:36readers. The fact that we have

5:23:38the 14 day retention, it's not

5:23:38a pool network. We know who's

5:23:43querian and also we have we've

5:23:45addressed the a component of

5:23:46it. We are having. We don't

5:23:48have. Tens of thousands of

5:23:52hits because we have the

5:23:55mobile. So essentially what

5:23:57you know, when you look at

5:23:58this idea of the most mosaic

5:23:59theory where versus creating

5:24:02this nice picture, we've got a

5:24:04couple of tiles that we're

5:24:05working with. To some the

5:24:08things that the municipal said

5:24:10as to why she believes this is

5:24:11not a high risk. Using lprs

5:24:17like we currently without this

5:24:20amendment.

5:24:20>> And just to confirm this

5:24:21does not outlaw the use is

5:24:22just just. Provide some

5:24:24guardrails and some

5:24:25limitations on it. I really

5:24:28appreciate that. You took us

5:24:29back to the mosaic because one

5:24:30of the challenges that I have

5:24:30is you're under scrutiny and

5:24:36rightfully so you you have to

5:24:38legal use of deadly force on

5:24:39the streets you are. The ones

5:24:44that we employ higher and to

5:24:46to do this work for us to

5:24:47protect us. But it's

5:24:49interesting that. From my

5:24:53vantage point, the mosaic that

5:24:54I'm most concerned with is the

5:24:58mosaic of corporate data.

5:25:05Corporate data being gathered

5:25:06on individuals. And so when

5:25:10people talk about, you know,

5:25:11like the flock camera, they

5:25:12also talking about corporate

5:25:13data in the background and the

5:25:15cloud and those providers. But

5:25:18to my colleagues with respect

5:25:19to the mosaic. Facebook. Is

5:25:22one of the biggest. Offenders

5:25:26of privacy rights. They have

5:25:30ahead of a multi-billion

5:25:31dollar lawsuit. And so when we

5:25:34think about tracking people in

5:25:35creating a mosaic. The first

5:25:39offenders of of privacy and of

5:25:44tracking individuals are

5:25:44corporations that that are

5:25:45those social media companies,

5:25:47as I just wanted to also put

5:25:48that out there, that we're

5:25:49interacting with. Technology

5:25:53that is used for mosaic

5:25:55tracking lifestyles and

5:25:57advertisements. The time and

5:25:58many of us on the body. I

5:26:01don't think myself as much and

5:26:03others less than myself, but

5:26:04certainly others more. Our

5:26:07broadcast inviting more

5:26:11contact into those spaces as

5:26:11well. So I'm concerned about

5:26:13people's rights to privacy.

5:26:15And I concern myself with

5:26:16corporate. With the

5:26:18corporations who don't have

5:26:19the scruples that all right,

5:26:20that you do. And so I'm

5:26:24concerned about all of beyond

5:26:26just the the practical

5:26:27implications that you all have

5:26:29in the largest sense. But

5:26:32thank you, chief. I don't

5:26:33think that I don't think the

5:26:35feedback to have received now

5:26:35says that this amendment. As

5:26:39amended is something

5:26:41detrimental to the oppor to

5:26:42the operations of. Of policing

5:26:46and keeping us safe. Also

5:26:47think it's important that it

5:26:48does speak to. Some of the

5:26:51major concerns that I'm

5:26:53hearing from the constituents

5:26:54with respect to limiting the

5:26:58the ability of some of this

5:26:59technology that can go rogue.

5:27:01But thank you. I don't think

5:27:02you're going rogue and I think

5:27:03you're doing a wonderful job

5:27:04of trying to bring it to our

5:27:05attention. And I think this is

5:27:06very difficult stuff to work

5:27:07through but I will be

5:27:12supporting this amendment and

5:27:13and any other mechanisms to to

5:27:16make sure that we're

5:27:16protecting. To privacy. You

5:27:21are tools to effectiveness,

5:27:23but without the hyperbole

5:27:25absurdity. Thank you.

5:27:30>> It is no unless left in the

5:27:31queue. members we proceed to

5:27:32vote. This is amendment number

5:27:3311. And I know there was the

5:27:37word change from and to order.

5:27:39So put restrictions here point

5:27:43the screen makes look should

5:27:43voting on the motion.

5:27:46>> To amend the Irene there at

5:27:47early voting on the amendment

5:27:48itself.

5:27:50>> Yeah, this is a National

5:27:51Amendment. And then it's just

5:27:52noting the word change that

5:27:53was made by the sponsor of the

5:27:54amendment.

5:28:14On vote of 5 to 7

5:28:16amendment number 11 has failed

5:28:18on that. We have 12 minutes

5:28:19left and I believe we have a

5:28:22amendments have not been moved

5:28:24So don't see anyone in the

5:28:25queue. too. Mr. Ponton.

5:28:30>> Okay. Hopefully this one go

5:28:31move. Amendment number 6. For

5:28:35myself members, McCormick and

5:28:35scout.

5:28:39>> Motion by Mr. Vaughan Smith

5:28:39proposed amendment number 6 is

5:28:40there a second? Second second

5:28:46by Miss Scout, please proceed,

5:28:48Depp. So this provides the

5:28:51Anchorage Police Department,

5:28:52Shawna share Lpr data and

5:28:53info.

5:28:54>> With the Department of

5:28:55Motor Vehicles without the

5:28:56prior approval of the Assembly

5:28:57by resolution. So I think

5:29:00potentially this could be part

5:29:01of that ad hoc. Comey. You

5:29:04know, looking at this issue,

5:29:06should this be this type of

5:29:07information be shared with the

5:29:08DMV? One of the concerns that

5:29:12brought this forward myself of

5:29:13Macomb Co sponsors would be,

5:29:15you know, potentially using

5:29:16alpr data to target people for

5:29:21traffic infractions or unpaid

5:29:21parking tickets or that kind

5:29:22of Just something that we felt

5:29:26merits, more discussion and

5:29:28would like to have that

5:29:29guardrail and code into that

5:29:30discussion can happen. Thank

5:29:31you. Madam Chair, Mr. Price

5:29:33for the on the Amendment. I

5:29:34would like the administration

5:29:35speech list.

5:29:45>> Threw the chair. I make

5:29:46deferred chief case on this

5:29:47one. It may understandings for

5:29:47what it's worth. Is it right

5:29:48now? Apd is not connected to

5:29:52directly to the idea of the

5:29:52system does not have any

5:29:54imminent plans to do so. But

5:29:57okay to

5:30:00>> City Chairman Press forget

5:30:04currently and never have we

5:30:05had any ability to upload

5:30:05anything into.

5:30:08>> The DMV system. The DMV

5:30:10system isn't loading data into

5:30:13lpr system. All of that

5:30:14information is held within the

5:30:16way we live look Cleary, both

5:30:20the Indian and absent. The

5:30:23only thing that the lpr system

5:30:25can do is query that

5:30:25information that we put into

5:30:28it. He cannot connect to DMV

5:30:30and it will be used for. Any

5:30:33traffic offenses. Other than

5:30:37expired registration DMV. That

5:30:37is. The database that's in Dmb

5:30:41because there's You know,

5:30:45unpaid traffic tickets. things

5:30:46are in the DMV database. So

5:30:50and we have access to

5:30:52information a way of

5:30:53protecting the license plate

5:30:53number in our computer, in the

5:30:54car. It's going to call absent

5:30:56DMV data. So. In fact, it's

5:31:00not possible to connect to

5:31:01DMV. This is, again, a little

5:31:05bit older technology. So I

5:31:06don't anticipate that's going

5:31:07to be something that just

5:31:08automatically happens. you

5:31:08can't put information into the

5:31:10NBA doesn't go that direction.

5:31:12Just we can't do for action.

5:31:16So already have. And all you

5:31:17already have access to. You

5:31:18have access to DMV ration.

5:31:19>> That's correct. Right I

5:31:24guess I would just ask the

5:31:25sponsors. I'm not I me ask you

5:31:25another question. Chief. do we

5:31:28have do we share the ALP data

5:31:30with any other agency? Is that

5:31:35a normal per per per practice?

5:31:36Do we do? We need to

5:31:38guardrails on on, you know,

5:31:40whether you should share it

5:31:42with the Department of.

5:31:46Health. I mean, mean, what

5:31:47other what what other

5:31:49guardrail should we be putting

5:31:50on to make sure that it's not

5:31:50shared with us agencies that

5:31:51we do want to share it with.

5:31:55No agency is connected to the

5:31:57lpr system.

5:31:58>> That that can look at

5:31:59what's in that system. No, no

5:32:01one what it? No agencies.

5:32:04Yeah, but you could print it

5:32:04out and hand it to. Someone.

5:32:06Yeah. That's correct. But I

5:32:10think several of the minutes

5:32:11that we've talked about are

5:32:11the guardrails that are in

5:32:12place. We keep that data. We

5:32:16we are going to share that

5:32:17date and our annual report.

5:32:18How many times we get every

5:32:18question and we share the data

5:32:19and the lpr system, OK? So

5:32:22then I guess I would I would

5:32:23just ask the sponsor. I'm not

5:32:25sure what problem we're

5:32:26solving here. Can speak to why

5:32:28specifically that the DMV and

5:32:31if it's not even possible to

5:32:32share it, why do we have an

5:32:35amendment restricting sharing

5:32:35data with this particular

5:32:39agency? Sure. And it is

5:32:39possible to share information

5:32:40with anyone and in fact, in

5:32:43the in the underlying

5:32:44ordinance are protections

5:32:45against sharing with.

5:32:48>> Other entity is some. So

5:32:49even the underlying item

5:32:49speaks to that. I think,

5:32:52though, on this particular one

5:32:53that's like mention for to

5:32:56prevent to help help

5:32:57information. Being used for

5:33:04Traffic things. But I turned

5:33:05over to members I guess the

5:33:07primary sponsor one. got

5:33:10respond. I appreciate the

5:33:16additional information tonight

5:33:18because and in the

5:33:18conversations we've had, I did

5:33:23not what was to say that

5:33:25tonight about not being able

5:33:26to connect with the DMV. I

5:33:29have real concerns about lpr.

5:33:32The unit being used to instant

5:33:33enforce. Registrations that

5:33:37are out of date, crimes of

5:33:38poverty, things that.

5:33:41>> Are not harmful. To the

5:33:43public tap.

5:33:46>> Priority issues in our

5:33:46community. And so that was

5:33:48really the primary ation here.

5:33:54And I also know that the DMV.

5:33:57Pretty actively shares

5:33:58information. With other

5:34:01agencies. And so I saw this as

5:34:04a workaround to our prohibits

5:34:04Jean of sharing some data with

5:34:08other agencies is that it

5:34:08could go through the DMV.

5:34:10First and then be passed

5:34:11along. a little bit more

5:34:17illustrative. Information. I'm

5:34:19not sure if it will help. This

5:34:23amendment, but there are

5:34:27multiple individuals and my

5:34:27district. Legal residence who

5:34:33are incarcerated and being

5:34:34held as by ICE right now and

5:34:37our municipal jail. These are

5:34:41people are being targeted

5:34:43because of the way that they

5:34:44look. And I do not want to.

5:34:50Allow for any technology that

5:34:51we're building out here. To be

5:34:54used to arrests. People too,

5:34:59put them in a situation where

5:35:00they're being pressured to

5:35:02self being lost and to come

5:35:03up. Because the DMV gets

5:35:09access information and then

5:35:10shares it broadly to places

5:35:11that we are not consenting to

5:35:12being sure to. So that is the

5:35:15intent of this amendment. I I

5:35:21agree with everything you

5:35:22said. I'm just not sure how

5:35:25this

5:35:25>> solves that problem. Maybe

5:35:26I could just ask the municipal

5:35:30attorney. Minister Vaughan

5:35:30spoke to this. But underlying

5:35:31does the underlying ordinance

5:35:37already restrict sharing

5:35:39information. And is this

5:35:40duplicative in terms of of not

5:35:44sharing information with this

5:35:44particular agency.

5:35:48>> Threw the chair. So the

5:35:49original version, if you look,

5:35:50it's on page. Starting at line

5:35:5612, there are specific

5:35:57restrictions placed on a P d

5:36:00and one of them is APD is only

5:36:02allowed to share surveillance

5:36:04data with non municipal

5:36:05individuals or entities that

5:36:06would include the DMV U.S. for

5:36:09criminal justice law

5:36:11enforcement purposes. And so

5:36:12APD is already if this version

5:36:13passes, our lights already

5:36:16unable to send any license

5:36:17plate reader data, which is to

5:36:18find a surveillance to die

5:36:19here to the DMV because it

5:36:23does not engage criminal

5:36:24justice law enforcement. They

5:36:24do not have, you know, that

5:36:27prompts the trooper sometimes

5:36:28enforced and first But that

5:36:31would be through the trooper

5:36:32is not to the DMV and that

5:36:33would presumably not be a I

5:36:34don't think they can fall to

5:36:35Knicks paper distractions.

5:36:38Okay?

5:36:39>> Yeah, I I I really

5:36:41appreciate understand the

5:36:42intent behind this. I am. I'm

5:36:43concerned about putting more

5:36:45information and code than

5:36:46what's necessary and that if

5:36:48the if the intent of this is

5:36:50to restrict our ability to

5:36:54share information a L PR

5:36:55information with DMV and the

5:36:59underlying item already does

5:37:01that then I don't see why we

5:37:02need to have that this

5:37:05amendment. So anyway, that's

5:37:06that that that's my thought.

5:37:06Thanks. Musk out.

5:37:15>> Yeah. As a follow-up to

5:37:15that question either to.

5:37:20Assembly Council where the

5:37:21municipal attorney can the DMV

5:37:22request information on behalf

5:37:23of other agencies, Saints for

5:37:26criminal justice purposes.

5:37:30>> To the chair, I think it as

5:37:33the chief confirm if that has

5:37:34ever happened. But it will

5:37:35stay there. There are strict

5:37:37rules about the sharing of

5:37:40criminal justice information.

5:37:41And we've talked about this a

5:37:42few a few times over I

5:37:44assembly proceedings. But APD

5:37:48can't just give information to

5:37:49anybody who wants it. If your

5:37:52sharing about justice

5:37:52information, you have to share

5:37:53it with somebody who is

5:37:54authorized to access. It has

5:37:55appropriate clearance and I'm

5:37:57not aware the DMV is not a

5:38:01criminal justice law

5:38:01enforcement agencies right

5:38:02have a hard time believing

5:38:04they would not even be able

5:38:07legally to receive the data,

5:38:08even if we wanted to give it

5:38:09to them, even if code allowed

5:38:12it. But asked meet the chief

5:38:13could just pop up and say if

5:38:13the DMV has ever requested to

5:38:16criminal justice information.

5:38:24>> To chairman risk out simple

5:38:25answer no. I'm just going

5:38:26through the things that are

5:38:27DMV doesn't not familiar with

5:38:27other de of these outside of

5:38:28the state of Alaska I can't.

5:38:31I'm just going to peers story

5:38:31and experience I mean,

5:38:36essentially DMV forces whether

5:38:37or not in registration and

5:38:38driver's licenses. Like we.

5:38:45But to the courts, they get

5:38:46information like the right

5:38:48ticket to somebody. so it's a

5:38:49two-point ticking on the

5:38:51driver's license that will be

5:38:53transmitted from the court

5:38:53system to the DMV and the DMV

5:38:54will keep track of that point

5:38:56system to eventually suspended

5:38:58license. think that's kind of

5:39:00the extent of what I would

5:39:02call the enforcement. So they

5:39:05don't come to us asking us for

5:39:05any information to help them

5:39:08do their job outside of we

5:39:10issue some of the citation and

5:39:11there's a point value to that.

5:39:15Yeah. I guess I asked that

5:39:16question because I personally

5:39:19know someone quite well. Who

5:39:21arrested by ICE at the

5:39:27Anchorage damping move checks

5:39:28debate until 11, 30 and the

5:39:29meeting until 11. 45?

5:39:29>> Second. It is a motion to

5:39:36extend debate fame spot to 11

5:39:3730 and then extend the meeting

5:39:38to 11 45 0nd by Miss Scout

5:39:38Niesr injection. Okay. no

5:39:45objection will continue. So in

5:39:48our minds of folks that of

5:39:50this is the last item we're

5:39:51probably going to get to

5:39:52tonight unless folks really

5:39:53want to go for them and a

5:39:54marathon so I would ask folks

5:39:59to really keep your comments

5:40:00brief because otherwise we

5:40:00will not get to the end of

5:40:01this. Thank you. With that

5:40:05said, I've heard that this is

5:40:07duplicative amendment well.

5:40:11>> Join us on my colleagues

5:40:11voting. No, and hope I can.

5:40:14All right. In with Rob, moved

5:40:15its hollow with Trump.

5:40:18>> Thanks. Okay. So amendment

5:40:186 has been withdrawn. So we

5:40:20are with folks in the queue

5:40:23currently in the main motion.

5:40:24So to folks in the queue.

5:40:25Martinez, a Maine. you have

5:40:35motion?

5:40:35>> No, I was on the amendment.

5:40:36An amendment been withdrawn.

5:40:36on the main. Okay. Thank

5:40:40>> Modern day on the main

5:40:40motion. They do believe

5:40:50there's 2 more amendments. So

5:40:50I'm just going to ask if

5:40:51anybody intends to move

5:40:52amendments, please do so. Now,

5:40:53otherwise we're going to vote.

5:40:58>> And I'm there's one that

5:40:59we're not going to move fly.

5:41:02>> A case, I guess I'm seeing

5:41:03that there's 2 I'm seeing

5:41:05amendment 3 has not been

5:41:06moved. An amendment. 7 is not

5:41:07the moves asking. time does

5:41:08anybody intend to move any of

5:41:09those amendments? Okay. Not

5:41:13seeing any then we are still

5:41:14in the main I and not seeing

5:41:17anyone in the queue. Some

5:41:17members may proceed to vote.

5:41:19This isn't 2026 20 start 2026,

5:41:22108 s as amended.

5:41:40There are

5:41:40soldiers. You're not

5:41:47connected. Okay. On 11 to

5:42:012026. S as amended has passed

5:42:02the body. Next. So the next

5:42:16item on our agenda is our last

5:42:17continued public hearing item

5:42:18that is item 13, a I guess at

5:42:21this point. I will suggest

5:42:22that we attempt to finish this

5:42:25item and then rather than

5:42:26attempting to do any of the

5:42:28other items, which are new

5:42:29public hearings, that we would

5:42:30consider that the end of the

5:42:33meeting provided time for

5:42:34audience participation. So is

5:42:392026 98, an ordinance of the

5:42:41anchors minutes, possibly

5:42:42amending Acres, Municipal Code

5:42:43chapter for that 6, 0 27. A 3,

5:42:450, 0, 8, 5, 2, action news

5:42:48section 4.6, 0, 3, 1, 0 and

5:42:50establish that you guys State

5:42:51Park, invite Access Advisory

5:42:53board public hearing on this

5:42:53has been continued. I'll asked

5:42:57jokingly, is anyone wish

5:42:57testify on this item? Who's in

5:42:58this Anyone out? We don't have

5:43:03anyone on the phone. We did

5:43:03have some folks who already

5:43:06testified. They're not here.

5:43:06So I'm gonna go ahead and

5:43:07close the public hearing. What

5:43:08is the both the body?

5:43:11>> Move to approve the one

5:43:12version. Second.

5:43:15>> Okay. There's a motion

5:43:16members are going to approve

5:43:17the S one version. Second by

5:43:18Miss Scout, Mr. Want.

5:43:19>> Thank you. I want to move.

5:43:22Silver's to Poland. Sorry, I'm

5:43:26shoveling my papers, but

5:43:28there's an amendment for

5:43:29myself and member silvers like

5:43:30to number one. I got it.

5:43:31Perfect.

5:43:35>> Okay. Motion by Mr. Going

5:43:37to move Summersville and

5:43:38amendment number and was their

5:43:40second second second by miss

5:43:41overs, Bond.

5:43:43>> Thank you, Madam Chair. So

5:43:44what this all this does is

5:43:46move the composition of the

5:43:48board back to what was

5:43:49proposed in the U.S. version.

5:43:55Myself and the co-sponsor of

5:43:57the underlying Chair Brawley.

5:44:00Had a lot of robust input on

5:44:01this, which are very thankful

5:44:03for. We received input from

5:44:07Basher Community Council

5:44:08Rabbit Creek Community

5:44:08Council, Glen Alps Service

5:44:11area. The advisory board who

5:44:13who worked on some of the

5:44:14costs of programming for for

5:44:16this next round. And they all

5:44:20gave us different ideas,

5:44:21different input. And we try to

5:44:21collate all of that. And the S

5:44:25one version. We changed the

5:44:26composition. Some of the that

5:44:28certain seats on the board.

5:44:33Member Silvers received some

5:44:34feedback from some of her

5:44:35stakeholders and constituents

5:44:37that they preferred what was

5:44:39in the s Persian rather than

5:44:40the last one. So basically

5:44:42everything else in the S

5:44:43version is preserved but chip

5:44:48rally watch. I can't speak

5:44:49Tripoli, but I'm aligned

5:44:50returning the 2. The U.S.

5:44:54version board composition

5:44:55keeping everything else. The

5:44:56same. Okay. And I myself in

5:45:00the queue on the amendment.

5:45:02sprawling.

5:45:03>> Thank you. I'll just say I

5:45:04am indifferent to whether

5:45:05members per us to say. Either

5:45:09way members can either prefer

5:45:11the s version of the S one

5:45:13version. I serve stated, this

5:45:15is the only change in this

5:45:16amendment. So it does not pull

5:45:16in some of the other changes

5:45:18from to the S version. I will

5:45:20note the The U.S. one version

5:45:25has 9 members. So is to more

5:45:26than this one. And then it

5:45:28does add the biggest change

5:45:29that and make says it adds the

5:45:32citizens she gets to Park

5:45:33Citizens Advisory Board, which

5:45:34is an existing group at the

5:45:36state level. so this would not

5:45:36have a seat on there. I

5:45:37imagine that they would still

5:45:39have plenty of opportunities

5:45:40to collaborate either way. And

5:45:42then I would also note the

5:45:43difference. In kind of how the

5:45:47roads service areas are

5:45:49represented, I would say

5:45:50either of these has

5:45:51representation for folks in

5:45:52various road service areas or

5:45:54includes opportunities for

5:45:56folks who aren't in one. But I

5:45:57think those are the 2 main

5:45:58changes. I just want to

5:45:58highlight those for folks and

5:46:02it's really what majority

5:46:02members would prefer board

5:46:03composition to be. Thanks. I

5:46:09don't see anyone in the queue.

5:46:10Some members may proceed to

5:46:11vote. This is on amendment

5:46:13number one 2026. 98 S one.

5:46:25Member Silvers. I did ask for

5:46:27>> assistance for your

5:46:28computer.

5:46:37>> Okay. And a vote of 11 to

5:46:39one amendment one passes.

5:46:40We're back on the main motion.

5:46:41That's a 20 to 6. 98 S one as

5:46:43amended. And I don't see

5:46:47anyone else in the queue. Some

5:46:48members may proceed to vote.

5:46:57Silvers. On a vote of 12 to 0.

5:47:09This item passes the body

5:47:11unanimously that takes us

5:47:13through our continued public

5:47:14hearings. I will it is 11 27.

5:47:18This meeting has been extended

5:47:20to 11. does not need to

5:47:22continue to that point. So I

5:47:23would just ask if anybody, I

5:47:24guess ask the motion to either

5:47:27change the order to take up

5:47:28any of the remaining items. In

5:47:29the few minutes. We have or a

5:47:30more should motion. To change

5:47:34the order to move directly to

5:47:36audience partisan patient.

5:47:38Either of those motion to

5:47:39change the order to move

5:47:39directly to public of a

5:47:40second.

5:47:41>> Second, OK, any objection

5:47:44to moving to our

5:47:45participation. don't see any.

5:47:49I will also note that means

5:47:49that the 8 public hearing

5:47:51items remaining that we did

5:47:52not get to tonight, all in the

5:47:53for teens will move to.

5:47:55>> The next regular meeting of

5:47:55November 17. So we are moving

5:47:57to audience participation. And

5:48:02I'll ask if anybody in the

5:48:02audience would like to

5:48:03participate this evening.

5:48:04Please come forward quickly.

5:48:06If you intend to participate,

5:48:07if you are not the first

5:48:08person in line, I will ask

5:48:09others to get in line if you

5:48:10intend to speak tonight. Okay.

5:48:18Microphone is on state part of

5:48:19town. You'll have 3 minutes.

5:48:22>> All Jaime Lopez, the Sacred

5:48:25formerly coalition from

5:48:25homeless. So there is no math

5:48:26in this box. There's no math

5:48:28in the backpack and there are

5:48:29no members of APD here to my

5:48:30rights to it. So with that

5:48:33said, you nothing and you'll

5:48:35be happy. Bob Dole, code

5:48:37enforcement. No, I'm sorry

5:48:38that clash World Economic

5:48:40Forum. So you are all very

5:48:41naive. And so many ways the

5:48:46rooster is guarding the hen

5:48:47house and one of them just

5:48:47checked out right then. And

5:48:49there so were all having this

5:48:51robust debate over privacy and

5:48:53guardrails and all of the

5:48:54sayings possession is

5:48:54nine-tenths of the law. And

5:48:57when you have a vendor and

5:48:59that thunder as proprietary

5:48:59code and you are storing data

5:49:00in the cloud, you own nothing.

5:49:03They have your data. They can

5:49:05back it up at any point in

5:49:07time. You know the encryption,

5:49:09you don't know if it can be

5:49:09broken point in time. And so

5:49:10this is all moot. A very long

5:49:14discussion. And it's a should

5:49:17show and you really I am

5:49:19disappointed so many of you

5:49:22surveillance apologists, Mr.

5:49:24Pressure, Dia, Michelle

5:49:26Burr's, you know, public

5:49:26Health and safety Committee

5:49:27for better part of a couple of

5:49:29years, more or less what we

5:49:31have. We had peace to the

5:49:31annual surveillance reports

5:49:32that were due every single

5:49:35year by June. First were

5:49:36talking about oversight for

5:49:37any questions about that where

5:49:40the drone reports that, you

5:49:41know, you're supposed to ask

5:49:42questions about or anything

5:49:44about facial recognition

5:49:45tracking. It was basically

5:49:47cheerleading. And I'm just

5:49:49playing you to miss Ball in

5:49:50for reason or 2. But with all

5:49:53that set, who was the deputy

5:49:55chief of police in 2023. When

5:49:58we're having this discussion

5:49:582023. 35 a swan. It was Mr.

5:50:04Case who is the chair of

5:50:04essentially the assembly at

5:50:06that time. It was La France.

5:50:09And so why did she not ask

5:50:11questions worth essential

5:50:13surveillance reports? I you

5:50:15know, she could have done that

5:50:15for the past 2 to 3 years, but

5:50:18she didn't. And so this is

5:50:19what I'm getting at. Even if

5:50:22you put guardrails in place

5:50:23which are willing down. Pretty

5:50:25much entire discussion. Is

5:50:28anybody really paying

5:50:29attention enough to ask

5:50:31questions and then we'll get

5:50:32on to the other thing. So the

5:50:35whole team, apparently they're

5:50:35no longer doing woods, you

5:50:38know, daily, they're seeing

5:50:38out the disparity 2 weeks ago.

5:50:42You had basically over and

5:50:44snowed on where, you know, the

5:50:45strip to guide his possessions

5:50:46and 15 minutes. They told him

5:50:47get out. Then you had a bunch

5:50:49for 5 officers hanging around

5:50:52having a jovial time other

5:50:53people's expense Marshall and

5:50:54vulnerable and poor people.

5:50:58And then officer caddie says,

5:50:58hey, I want to search you and

5:51:01then gives them a pat down he

5:51:02grabbed his, you know. Junk.

5:51:06And so the whole point is that

5:51:07is number 4, number 5 on

5:51:09officer Caddy and I approach

5:51:11basically officer Fuchs. I

5:51:13approach basically the chief

5:51:14of police for months going. I

5:51:15said you should pull this guy.

5:51:16He should not be around March

5:51:17on vulnerable and poor people.

5:51:19And where was she still there?

5:51:22And right now and basically 30

5:51:2450 people circling Circle K

5:51:25over there and they are

5:51:26violating those people's

5:51:27rights to because they're not

5:51:30even going through a process

5:51:30to warn them that they have to

5:51:31leave the property. Apparently

5:51:32they're citing people with no

5:51:34warning. And at night there

5:51:35are other things going on to.

5:51:36And so the roosters are

5:51:38basically guarding the

5:51:40henhouse, the vulnerable and

5:51:42the poor are being traumatized

5:51:44endlessly. And then if you

5:51:46will actually help people in

5:51:46feed those people that are out

5:51:48there. But apparently I'm

5:51:49doing it for years and you

5:51:50don't have money for that.

5:51:50Thank you. Thank you. So I

5:51:54will note I we neglected to

5:51:56start the timer. So we started

5:51:58I would have cut in as soon as

5:52:00it went to 11. 32 inside that

5:52:01person not speaking, but he

5:52:02did.

5:52:03>> Anyone else wish to provide

5:52:04audience participation. Please

5:52:04come forward. If so.

5:52:08>> Seeing and hearing none.

5:52:12Margins if you would like to

5:52:13speak. You have time but

5:52:14please come forward quickly.

5:52:22Welcome audience

5:52:22participation. The microphone

5:52:23is already on station in part

5:52:24of town. You will have 3

5:52:25minutes.

5:52:28>> the.

5:52:28>> I know it's late. It's late

5:52:29for me to thank chair members

5:52:34of the Assembly its peak about

5:52:37one 30. I know that the

5:52:38Anchorage school district pass

5:52:41something to basically oppose

5:52:45letting the voters decide

5:52:46whether this change to a

5:52:46school board I liked it. That

5:52:49raises a lot of the old pros

5:52:51and cons to how we elect

5:52:52school board members. We all

5:52:54responsible for all kids in

5:52:58school district. But all

5:52:59communications within those

5:53:00various areas is not is

5:53:01deficient. And as you know,

5:53:04relationship with the public

5:53:05has been seriously damaged. We

5:53:08have taken steps of secret

5:53:09meetings. Could leap receipt

5:53:11closing schools? We have

5:53:12selected schools because the

5:53:15public voted to give them

5:53:19funds to picks his school. The

5:53:20legislature voted to do it and

5:53:21we use because those funds we

5:53:23could take him away. We chose

5:53:26that school. talk about the

5:53:27trail of the public

5:53:28relationship. We've done that.

5:53:30We'll in very, very over head

5:53:36in public relations with with

5:53:37the truck, with the public and

5:53:38for good reason, this

5:53:40particular act is basically

5:53:41saying should the public

5:53:42decide in the which you've

5:53:44heard from the school board is

5:53:47no, we don't want the public

5:53:49to have that decision. I go

5:53:51pros and cons, but all

5:53:52communications within with the

5:53:53with the public is very poor.

5:53:55We get letters and we get

5:53:57e-mails, phone numbers on only

5:53:58one that calls him. We I give

5:54:04up my phone number to

5:54:05everybody, 907-952-5871. I

5:54:08don't care. But I talked to

5:54:09people when that when they're

5:54:10doing it. And go to go to

5:54:13community council meetings

5:54:14that don't get any by from

5:54:16schoolboy. But when we do, we

5:54:17keep switching up one area to

5:54:19another. We don't did not

5:54:21visiting schools are not seen

5:54:23the impact of their decisions.

5:54:24We don't a loud enough voice.

5:54:26What we're doing and the

5:54:29public is upset in the public

5:54:32should be but records as to

5:54:33whether we should change.

5:54:34shouldn't change it. I don't

5:54:35think that C Boyd's goal to

5:54:39say we don't want the public

5:54:40to have a voice. We've already

5:54:43done that. We've paid

5:54:4690 million dollars and in

5:54:47April because they voted no

5:54:47because of Campbell. And we're

5:54:50trying to think of other

5:54:50reasons why they voted no,

5:54:52it's pretty clear. I don't

5:54:56want us to be in a position of

5:54:57saying we don't want the

5:54:58public to have a voice. That's

5:55:01what we're doing. And I

5:55:01appreciate what the what the

5:55:05boat with the assembly and and

5:55:06the support we've had from the

5:55:07mayor has been spectacular.

5:55:11And you a voice of concern

5:55:11about relationship is One and

5:55:15I appreciate that greatly. And

5:55:16push to help us. But I don't

5:55:18think right now put the point

5:55:21to say we don't want the

5:55:22public to have a voice. We'll

5:55:23going into long to action and

5:55:26we're not going to help out

5:55:27the system. Thank you for Just

5:55:29painting. There's one member

5:55:30in the queue. Mr. Handle Just

5:55:33wanted to say thank you coming

5:55:35having coffee with me

5:55:39discussing that. You the one

5:55:41school board member that

5:55:42reached out to to to talk

5:55:42about this. So really

5:55:43appreciate that. Thank you.

5:55:44>> It was good coffee. Okay.

5:55:46Next must go.

5:55:49>> Thank You talked a little

5:55:50bit about. Public trust. And

5:55:53one thing that I've been.

5:55:55Trying learn about as I and we

5:55:59get constituent outreach about

5:56:01school district matters is.

5:56:05I've I've learned a little bit

5:56:08about the bylaws governing the

5:56:11school board and your ability

5:56:11to meet one-on-one with

5:56:12members of the community.

5:56:15Would you be willing to speak

5:56:18If and when you are allowed to

5:56:19speak with your constituents

5:56:21about school board matters and

5:56:24what you're required to report

5:56:25out on from those

5:56:28conversations.

5:56:28>> I can't speak on behalf of

5:56:29the board. I can speak as a

5:56:30school board member. So that's

5:56:34permissible. You're not going

5:56:35to stop people from the school

5:56:36board to build speak, but I'm

5:56:38not here on behalf of the

5:56:39school board. As I said, they

5:56:41taken time couldn't ask you to

5:56:42directly answer her question.

5:56:45question was what

5:56:46communications you can have

5:56:48with constituents and what

5:56:49needs to be reported back. So

5:56:50can you please speak to that

5:56:50question?

5:56:51>> I have got one with the

5:56:55battery went dead would have

5:56:55been here for the last several

5:56:56hours. And I apologize for

5:56:59that.

5:56:59>> we do make a and my phone

5:57:00is dead. So we have

5:57:01>> minutes left in the

5:57:02meeting. So I'm asking you to

5:57:03be brief, please. I'm I'm just

5:57:07not hearing it correctly

5:57:10because that like I said, my

5:57:11by hewing ages completely

5:57:11doubt pill can say hard of

5:57:15hearing. Okay.

5:57:15>> not miss go. Can you

5:57:17restate your question? Well,

5:57:18it's it's okay. I can follow

5:57:18up with Patrick Thanks. Okay.

5:57:21Thank you. And there was one

5:57:22more member Mr. Martinez,

5:57:22okay. I have one question for

5:57:28you, OK? Thank you, sir.

5:57:31>> Thank you for being Thank

5:57:32you for your service on the

5:57:33school board. Do you consider

5:57:39this action as do consider

5:57:40this potential proposal? As an

5:57:45opportunity to improve student

5:57:45outcomes. I think closing

5:57:52schools doesn't help out

5:57:53kidnapped outcomes at all

5:57:55because we move the schools

5:57:57for way. The studies show that

5:57:58and lee impacts it. And along

5:58:02those lines, the schoolboy Q's

5:58:04the issue of finance for the

5:58:07cutting schools. The estimate

5:58:08is for all 3 of those schools

5:58:09week last long-term, $51,000

5:58:12with school is what we're

5:58:12going to say. Please, you get

5:58:13less push out. We don't get

5:58:14any benefit out of that. We

5:58:17easy money closing schools.

5:58:20>> Mr. Higgins, can you please

5:58:21answer the question? Do you

5:58:22see that proposal that you

5:58:23have spoken to having an

5:58:26impact on student outcomes?

5:58:26That was the Thank Was it on

5:58:29the positive outcome issues?

5:58:31The superintendent has said he

5:58:32knows that smaller schools.

5:58:37Can Michigan the question is

5:58:38not about closing schools. is

5:58:39about whether point of order

5:58:42about what now, about the

5:58:42voting not?

5:58:46>> But point, not sure why re

5:58:48screaming that members of the

5:58:49public he's trying to. trying

5:58:50to answer a question. I'm

5:58:51Amber Martinez, Mr. Higgins

5:58:51stated that one of his hearing

5:58:53aid.

5:58:54>> Batteries has stopped. And

5:58:55so the when I was speaking at

5:58:56a lower tone of voice, he did

5:58:57not hear me. I am trying to

5:58:59ask him to answer the question

5:59:00that was asked by a member.

5:59:03just we don't normally engage

5:59:05members of the public quite

5:59:06like this where you're quite

5:59:06direct as this.

5:59:09>> So it's not sure understand

5:59:10why we're treating Mr. Higgins

5:59:11this way. So can you rule on

5:59:14the point order chair? Well, I

5:59:18think if the point of order is

5:59:19about the chair than I need to

5:59:20turn it to the Vice Chair.

5:59:24>> believe the point of order

5:59:25is whether I was incorrectly

5:59:27or inappropriately remember

5:59:27the public

5:59:31>> I think I think Madam

5:59:32Chair, maybe if you could.

5:59:35Calmly make the request Mr.

5:59:36Higgins one more time and

5:59:38hopefully it will resonate.

5:59:42>> Thank you. And I apologize

5:59:43if my tone was strong, I am

5:59:44asking, can you please respond

5:59:48to member member Martinez? Can

5:59:49you please repeat the question

5:59:51they can share? I'm going to

5:59:52repeat the question various

5:59:53very, very succinctly number.

5:59:55You got to stay. Mike, so we

5:59:56can hear come over this way.

5:59:59he can hear me. You can hear

6:00:02me without them. So okay.

6:00:05Here's the point. Here's the

6:00:06question.

6:00:10>> The proposal is about how

6:00:11school board members get

6:00:12elected. Is how school board

6:00:16members get elected germane to

6:00:17student outcomes.

6:00:24>> I believe we've got more

6:00:26engagement with the community.

6:00:27If we switch to the district

6:00:30kind of situation and we have

6:00:31more engagement, more

6:00:32education within that,

6:00:33teachers, the parents

6:00:36involvement. I think that

6:00:36could be favorable. But I

6:00:40don't have any evidence one

6:00:41way or the other thing that is

6:00:42going to improve educational

6:00:43outcomes either way. I mean,

6:00:48you both sides. No, no, I

6:00:49appreciate. I appreciate that

6:00:51because I that. That's fair.

6:00:53It's honest. And there isn't a

6:00:54measure.

6:00:55>> Related to this. And I

6:00:56think that stance thank you

6:00:56for your time. Yeah. Thank

6:01:01you. No further questions or

6:01:02comments. Thank you for being

6:01:02here. Thank you much.

6:01:05>> Okay. We will move on to

6:01:06assembly member comments.

6:01:07going to start this evening

6:01:07with Mr. Johnson. Miss Park.

6:01:17Member comments, please have a

6:01:20good evening, Mr. thank you.

6:01:22Miscount.

6:01:25>> Sorry to have a comment. I

6:01:26think we.

6:01:30>> I'm excited to see this

6:01:31policy pass. I also just and

6:01:35I've been comes tax toys and

6:01:37that's within the broader

6:01:39landscape leagues. This and I

6:01:39think I feel very

6:01:45>> About change that we're

6:01:45seeing in Alaska and across

6:01:47the country and the mandate

6:01:47that the public is giving

6:01:49those of us were an elected

6:01:52office to lead right now and

6:01:52be brave and bold and

6:01:56addressing the issues

6:01:57impacting working So I'm

6:01:59certainly inspired and

6:02:02motivated by the events of

6:02:05this week so far hope that we.

6:02:09Listen to what voters are

6:02:10telling us that they want us

6:02:11to really. Use our powers help

6:02:16them right now. So thank you.

6:02:19Responding.

6:02:26>> Stay tuned for and that's

6:02:28one version of M Hot. Thank

6:02:29you. Mr. Aunt. No comments.

6:02:32Thank you. Madam Chair, Mr. D

6:02:34a I do have a comment. I

6:02:39didn't coming out that the

6:02:41once voting on the whole

6:02:43surveillance with that

6:02:43package. But

6:02:47>> I think in my years on the

6:02:48assembly that was one of the

6:02:49worst examples of policy

6:02:54development from the very

6:02:55beginning for help from how it

6:02:56got introduced to the public

6:02:59to the entire process to how

6:03:01it ended. And I think it's

6:03:03something for us to reflect on

6:03:05in terms of how you do that.

6:03:06Well, how you inform the

6:03:07public well, how you work

6:03:11together as a as a body to

6:03:12bring for all of the

6:03:14amendments and and and produce

6:03:16something that's that's that's

6:03:17done. Well, so I just want to

6:03:20say on that I apologize the

6:03:22public for process that I

6:03:23don't think was handled very

6:03:25well. And I think we can do

6:03:27better. And I would agree that

6:03:29it was a good weekend, a lot

6:03:30of ways and excited to see

6:03:31what we do in the future.

6:03:31Thanks. Silvers. No comments.

6:03:36Thank you, Mr.

6:03:40>> I likely don't agree that

6:03:40it is a great week. And many

6:03:43regards, however, I will say

6:03:44congratulations to our dear

6:03:45colleague, Mr. Johnson, what

6:03:46appears to be a pretty

6:03:47decisive victory.

6:03:54>> Martinez, thank you. Chad.

6:03:54Do have a couple of comments

6:03:56first and encouragement to my

6:03:57colleagues. I think one member

6:04:00Perez describe the process

6:04:02part of what he's describing

6:04:05is that use the term hyperbole

6:04:06of absurdity before. I think

6:04:10it's challenging when when we

6:04:11as public officials we

6:04:14scrupulous communication

6:04:15methods to get a point across.

6:04:18I think that's challenging.

6:04:18And so I encourage my

6:04:20colleagues to really consider

6:04:20the way we communicate.

6:04:24accurate and reliable

6:04:24information. Additionally

6:04:28chair, it was a certain

6:04:29earlier and I just wanted to

6:04:30put a fine point on this. Some

6:04:31members of the body described

6:04:32that they had work

6:04:33obligations. And why they

6:04:37couldn't attend some meetings.

6:04:40And I wanted to just describe

6:04:41that. I'm a stay at home.

6:04:44Homeschooling father. And

6:04:47that's work. So I just think

6:04:52that the nature of some folks

6:04:53identifying work. Instead or

6:04:57as as a as a as

6:05:01>> A counterpoint to being

6:05:02able to do that work here. If

6:05:03this is challenging work as

6:05:04assembly people, we all have a

6:05:05variety of jobs and that's my

6:05:08encouragement to all of us is

6:05:10don't overstep. And remember

6:05:14that we are working through

6:05:16complex issues and rely on a

6:05:16lot of grace for each other.

6:05:17Thank you. Chair.

6:05:20>> Okay. And what that is 11

6:05:2345. And this meeting is

6:05:23adjourned by the clock. Have a

6:05:24good night.

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