2026-10-20 - City Council

00:19Good evening everybody. Welcome to our

00:21council meeting

00:23for the first month. It seems like

00:25forever. It seems like forever since

00:27we've had a council meeting, but uh good

00:29night. Good night. Good uh good evening

00:32to everybody and glad everybody's here.

00:34Uh as it is our custom, we're honored

00:36tonight to have the Reverend, excuse me,

00:39Pastor Erin Hayworth of the Meban UN UMC

00:44and his beautiful young

00:47I sidekick Mary Jane.

00:51This is an honor.

00:53>> Yes. Thank you to uh to the council and

00:56uh greetings from the the Meban United

00:58Methodist Church to everyone else here.

01:00Uh I see that our our friends at Johnson

01:02Chapel AM made the agenda. So we send

01:04you a special uh greeting anytime your

01:07church has to come before a civ civic uh

01:09organization. You uh you put some work

01:12into that. So I invite you now to uh ask

01:15God's presence with us. Uh God, we

01:18invite you here. uh be with each and

01:20every person gathered here as they

01:21represent the interests uh not only of

01:24themselves but of their neighbors. Uh

01:26Lord, help us to in humility serve

01:29others and to uh look to embody those

01:32virtues of faith and hope and love in

01:34our day-to-day life. uh be with all

01:37those that you call to to civic service

01:39especially in this uh season of

01:41elections that we might with uh charity

01:45and love uh serve the least of these

01:47among us. Uh God um be especially with

01:51the children in the public schools and

01:53keep them safe. Uh be with all of our uh

01:56servants in uh the diff various aspects

01:58of our uh meban uh government. And we

02:02ask that you would give us uh open

02:05hearts to hear what uh each other have

02:07to say and take an deep and abiding

02:09interest in working for the welfare of

02:10our brothers and sisters. We ask this in

02:13your name. Amen.

02:14>> Thank you.

02:15>> Thank you.

02:16>> Bye Mayor Jane.

02:21>> That's a great name.

02:23>> All right. It is uh it is my honor to

02:26recognize our first responders today is

02:29uh the month is national uh first

02:31responders day. Uh and so

02:36okay would all f uh first responders

02:39come to the front please.

02:42Even the old

02:43>> even the old ones that's old guys.

02:46Even you bud.

02:55>> Even the last Yeah,

03:00>> that was funny.

03:18That voice

03:26>> from the office of the mayor

03:27proclamation actual first responders day

03:30October 28 26 whereas first responders

03:35including public works professionals

03:38firefighters police officers emergency

03:41medical technicians 911 operators

03:44paramedics and Other emergency personnel

03:47stand on the front lines of our

03:49communities, selfishly serving and

03:52protecting the citizens of heaven in

03:54times of crisis. Whereas first

03:57responders respond swiftly and

03:59courageously to emergencies, often

04:02putting their own lives at at risk to

04:05ensure the safety and well-being of

04:07others, whether in natural disasters,

04:10accidents, medical emergencies, public

04:14health, and safety threats. Whereas it

04:16is the public interest for the citizens,

04:19civic leaders, and children of the city

04:20of Mean to gain knowledge of and

04:24maintain an ongoing interest and

04:27understanding of the importance of

04:29public works and other first responder

04:31efforts in their respective communities.

04:34And whereas as of 2019,

04:37US Senate

04:39uh has included language recognizing

04:42public works uh alongside fellow other

04:45first responders. Whereas resolved, I

04:48mayor Ed Hubs to hereby designate

04:51October 28th, 2026 as National First

04:54Responders Day, urge all citizens to

04:58join with representatives of the

04:59American Public Works Association,

05:02government agencies, and in activities,

05:05events, and ceremonies to pay tribute to

05:07our public works, first responders

05:10alongside law enforcement, firefighters,

05:13paramedics,

05:14emergency medical technicians,

05:17911 operators and other emergency

05:20personnel to recognize the substantial

05:23contributions they make to protecting

05:25our national health, safety, and

05:27advocating the quality of life for all

05:30here in ME. And witness thereof, I

05:33hereby set my hand and call the city of

05:36Mean to be a fix. I adopt the 20th day

05:38of October, 2026, Ed mayor.

05:42Congratulations, guys.

05:54ordering from my

06:48All All right, it's now not now now time

06:50for public comments. Um, and before they

06:53come up, uh, everybody's given three

06:55minutes and, um, we appreciate

06:58appreciate adhering to that. The first,

07:01uh, on the thing is Lynn

07:03Boyd.

07:09>> That's your address. And

07:11>> thank you. Good evening, Mayor Hooks and

07:14council members. My name is Lynn Bour. I

07:16live at 1055

07:18Beachcraft Drive and that's in the Meban

07:20Town Center here in Mebban. My neighbors

07:23and I are here tonight because we're

07:24concerned with the lack of street

07:26lighting in our neighborhood. And I

07:27would ask all my neighbors who are here

07:29tonight to stand up so you can see who

07:31is here.

07:33We really just want to talk about street

07:35light standards and parody.

07:38In a recent meeting with staff, and we

07:39do appreciate staff meeting with us,

07:41they told us that the city standard for

07:43street lights is 500 ft. Although they

07:46have yet to provide us, despite repeated

07:48requests, with any document that shows

07:50that standard or any document showing

07:53that it's ever been adopted by the city.

07:56And in fact, the city's own UDO

07:58contradicts that standard. in section

08:014-7-3

08:03provides for street lights of no more

08:05than 300 or 350 feet apart in town homes

08:11in multif family dwellings and also in

08:13manufactured homes and I quote from the

08:16ordinance preferably at intervals of 30

08:20to 50 feet for pedestrian scale lighting

08:24when you look at municipalities across

08:26North Carolina and we did provide a

08:28handout you'll see a comparison with

08:31other jurisdictions in North Carolina on

08:32the first page and you'll see that

08:34throughout North Carolina the standard

08:37is typically two to 300 feet apart not

08:39the 500 ft that staff alleges is a

08:41standard here

08:45additionally Duke Energy has a standard

08:48while they defer to the municipal

08:49standard their standard is for 15t poles

08:53and that's what the the Meban Town

08:56Center has is 15t poles that the the

08:59standard should be 75 to 150 ft apart.

09:04We were recently provided a drawing from

09:07the staff and that's the second document

09:09you'll you'll see in your your packet

09:11here. Uh the proposed lighting plan

09:14lights have been installed in phase one

09:16of our development but not in phases two

09:19which is fully complete, three which is

09:21under construction and four which is not

09:23started. They're proposing for all of

09:26phases 2, three, and four only six

09:28additional street lights. We would note

09:31that some of these lights are more than

09:32500 ft apart. So, in violation of the

09:34city standard. Um, plus the lighting

09:38plan does it does not comply with the

09:40lighting plan that was submitted for

09:42this development.

09:48If we would include or have the

09:51developer put in the lights that are

09:53shown on the lighting plan, they would

09:54be no more than 200 to 300 feet apart.

09:58We looked at Keystone's other

09:59communities. There's one in Burlington

10:02in High Point and also Kfax and there

10:05the lights were 2 to 300 feet apart.

10:07When we also look at our neighbors, the

10:09villas at Fifth, the lights there are

10:112003 300 feet apart.

10:14Our community is being treated

10:16differently. I do just want to know my

10:18time is up, but very briefly, we

10:20provided you with um some photographs.

10:24Another issue in the neighborhood is the

10:25lack of lighting

10:27um at our mailboxes. There's no lighting

10:30at our mailbox even though it's shown in

10:31the lighting plan or and there's

10:34pictures of other communities that show

10:36the lighting. Thank you very much. Thank

10:38you.

10:38>> Happy to answer any questions you have.

10:43All

10:46right, the next uh speaker is Colleen

10:49Magger.

10:54>> Good evening everyone. Thank you for

10:56taking

10:57>> your address. And

10:58>> my name is Colleen Maher. I live at 1027

11:01Beachcraft Drive in Nbinstown

11:05community. Now, my daughter and I um

11:08purchased a town home there a year ago.

11:11I will let you know that it was a

11:13significant investment for us to move

11:16into that neighborhood. I will tell you

11:18over this past year, a lot of things

11:20have not been done and most um

11:24disturbingly and for our safety is the

11:27lights in our neighborhood. I myself

11:29live in phase one. I'm not directly

11:32affected as much as the rest of my

11:34neighbors. We have six lights in phase

11:37one. They plan to have six lights

11:40additional for the rest of our entire

11:43community. Now, when the plans were

11:46drawn for this, as requested by

11:48Keystone, submitted to Duke, they

11:52designed our neighborhood to have 27

11:54lights. 27 lights. Now, you are reducing

11:59us to less than half. I will tell you,

12:02with the no lighting, we have increased

12:04crime. We've had a shooting. We've had a

12:07breakin. We've had vandalism. It is

12:10becoming very unsafe for our

12:12neighborhood to go without any lighting.

12:15We have no lights at our mailbox, which

12:17is again very, very dangerous. Now,

12:20we've come before the staff and we've

12:22expressed our concerns. And we've

12:26brought the maps and everything that was

12:29appropriately designed for our

12:31neighborhood. what it is marketed as an

12:35upscale luxury neighborhood now to

12:38reduce our lights to less than half

12:41is not appropriate and it's a safety

12:44issue for everybody in our neighborhood.

12:47And we're asking everybody to have a

12:49harder look at it, readress it, and

12:52please give us significant and

12:55appropriate lighting for our

12:57neighborhood in comparison to everybody

13:00else around us.

13:02So, I appreciate your time. I hope

13:05you'll take a few minutes and look at

13:06those drawings

13:07>> and what was submitted and you you'll

13:10understand what we're looking at. So,

13:13thank you very much.

13:14>> Thank you. We will have staff look at it

13:17again and uh thank thank both of you for

13:21the the uh input. All right, we're

13:24moving on to the uh consent agenda. Uh

13:28we have approval of minutes for the

13:30September

13:328th, 2026 regular meeting. Renewal and

13:35resolution of North Carolina Governor's

13:37Highway Safety Program. Allocation of

13:40federal equity sharing funds for the

13:42purchase of police capital items.

13:44Alamance County Rescue Unit resolution

13:47of support Johnson Chapel AM Church

13:51lease agreement Giles and Mckenley

13:53Street Park. Uh any comments or anybody

13:56want to pull any agenda item off

14:01for discussion?

14:03If not,

14:05>> motion to approve the consent agenda.

14:07>> We have a motion.

14:09>> We have a second. Any further

14:10discussion? If not, all those in favor

14:13say I.

14:14>> I.

14:14>> Any opposed? Motion carries. All right,

14:18moving into public hearings. The first

14:19one is a conditional reszoning

14:21uh TMTa Associates Gardens on 11th 13.96

14:27acre property on South 11th Street R8 to

14:31RHCD

14:33to allow for a multif family development

14:35of 120 units. Our own Ashley Ombi

14:39development director.

14:40>> Good evening.

14:44Before you is a request by the property

14:46owner. Um they're being represented by

14:48TMTLA Associates. Um the property owner

14:51is Toledo Builders. This property is

14:54just under 14 acres. It's currently

14:57zoned R8 CD. That's a conditional zoning

15:00district with a sight specific plan and

15:03the requested zoning is also R8CD, but

15:05it would have a different site plan and

15:07different conditions associated with it.

15:10You can see that the surrounding zoning

15:12is largely residential. There are some

15:15additional zoning districts in the area.

15:18Um, R8 conditional district is south of

15:21the site, north of the site, and also

15:23west of the site. Um, we do have R10

15:26conditional district and R20 and R12

15:28around the site as well. And then there

15:31are some areas with heavy manufacturing

15:33zoning reflecting

15:36a previous idea for this area that has

15:38grown more residential.

15:42This site is currently in our city

15:44limits in Orange County and utilities

15:46are available to serve the project.

15:50It is undeveloped but entitled to a

15:52development of 51 town homes that was

15:54approved in 2021.

15:56Surrounding uses include multifamily

15:59town homes, single family, and also some

16:02vacant land.

16:06In our meban 2045 comprehensive plan,

16:09this area is identified as urban

16:12neighborhood which supports a variety of

16:14housing types and a more compact type of

16:18development.

16:22The proposal is for a multifamily

16:25development of five buildings with 120

16:28apartment units. Um, this would have

16:30just over three and a half acres of

16:32private open space. You see a lot of

16:35that is over here where there is a creek

16:38that would be protected.

16:41And then just approximately 2.5 acres of

16:43private recreational area. There's a

16:46long list there. I won't review

16:47everything, but it includes a community

16:49building, a pocket park, um a playground

16:52area, and then you'll see here in some

16:54of this protected open space, a

16:56multi-purpose field.

17:01Sidewalk is required along the

17:03property's frontage and this development

17:06would also be responsible for a

17:07crosswalk for um sidewalk that is under

17:10constructed and expected with a minor

17:13subdivision occurring across the street.

17:16The number of units did not warrant a

17:18traffic impact analysis by the city

17:20standards or NC DOT standards and that

17:24warrant um memo is included in your

17:26packet

17:28for the conditions of the request. The

17:30sight specific plan is applicable and

17:32anything shown there would apply. In

17:35addition, the applicant is requesting to

17:37provide a payment in lie of public

17:39recreation area which totals just over

17:42$112,000

17:44and also permitting of sewer for the

17:46entire project of 120 units in a single

17:50year which is different than our current

17:52wastewater policy.

17:55Are there any questions for me at this

17:57time? Mi, should we view this in the

18:00light of the previously approved plan or

18:02should we just treat this as a fresh

18:05proposal because you haven't referenced

18:07the previous plan and I you know I don't

18:10remember it but in my mind I want to

18:12compare the pros and cons and what what

18:15is improved and what's different but is

18:17that not the way we should view it?

18:20>> Um I don't think necessarily you have to

18:22view it that way. There's a choice to

18:24view it that way. Um

18:28the proposal which the applicant may

18:30also present on included a similar

18:34street network but it looped all the way

18:36around here. So it would have had town

18:38homes on this side and also town homes

18:41throughout here. Um

18:44>> how many town homes?

18:45>> It was 51 town homes. It was a larger

18:47footprint in terms of area that now is

18:53envisioned for recreation space or open

18:55space. The town homes were taking up a

18:57greater footprint of the entire site.

19:05>> Any questions?

19:06>> Yeah, the gardens on 11th, uh, was that

19:09the name of the original development,

19:12Gardens on 11th? It was called Oakrove

19:14Trails and so it was by Meritage Homes

19:16who's developing the Oakwood subdivision

19:18south of the site. So they have town

19:21homes immediately south here which is um

19:24where this driveway would connect to a

19:26public street that is under construction

19:28by that development.

19:30>> The uh

19:32laid out land on the right that's not

19:34buildable anyway, is it? Where the creek

19:35goes through?

19:37No, the creek um was not shown as being

19:39disturbed in the other, but it was a

19:41different configuration here. There were

19:43town homes shown where the pond is

19:48>> that um vertical

19:51part of the road on the right hand side

19:53of the street structure. Yes.

19:56>> There's no those parking spaces aren't

19:59serving any units, right? That's just

20:02kind of o overflow. I mean

20:07>> that might be better addressed by the

20:09applicant. They're meeting our parking

20:11requirements and so I'm sure they

20:13weren't able to fit everything as

20:15approximate to the buildings.

20:20>> Madam director, can you talk to me about

20:21urban neighborhood in the 2045 plan?

20:26>> We have a few different residential

20:27place types. Um, so urban neighborhood

20:31is one of the denser residential place

20:34types. Um, it allows for a mix of

20:38residential uses and the R8 zoning

20:41district ties to that particular place

20:44type in the appendix of the MEB 2045

20:47plan. It's predominantly um

20:51I think described as single family with

20:54a mix of apartments and town homes being

20:57possible in the area. Just want to make

20:59sure this is read. It is compromised

21:00predominantly of single family detached

21:02on small lots but may include single

21:04family units such as town homes,

21:05duplexes, and a small amount of multif

21:08family

21:11>> backful for me. So, okay. Just want to

21:13make sure I'm on the same page.

21:15>> Okay.

21:17>> Any other questions?

21:26May books and council. Thank you for

21:29taking the time.

21:30>> I'm Robin McAdoo from TMTLA Associates

21:34representing Toledo Builders and I'm

21:37joined by Tim McCabe and Sean Sidner

21:41from Earth Centric Engineering.

21:43>> Your address?

21:45>> 1702 Maryland Avenue, Durham.

21:58So,

22:00um, Ashley did a great, very thorough

22:03presentation. I'm just going to be a

22:06little bit redundant and fill in a

22:08little, flesh it out a little bit. Um,

22:11obviously the site for the gardens on

22:1311th is located on the east side of

22:15Meban in Orange County, south of Highway

22:1770 and at the intersection of South 11th

22:20Street and East Oakwood.

22:24currently zoned for R8 CD conditionally

22:27approved for town homes hoping to

22:29reszone for multif family housing.

22:32As you know, Mebban the in Mebban the R8

22:36residential district is established for

22:37moderate to high density two family and

22:40multif family residences along with

22:42limited public and semi-public and

22:45commercial uses that are compatible with

22:46highdensity housing.

22:49In addition, the future land use map

22:51plans for urban neighborhood use on this

22:53site, which is listed as a mixed

22:56residential place type designed to

22:57support compact, walkable, and

22:59intergenerational communities.

23:02We believe our site design meets the

23:05stated desires of both the R8 zone and

23:07the urban neighborhood use by connecting

23:09all buildings with sidewalks, making

23:11parking easily accessible, allowing

23:14cross access to adjacent neighborhoods,

23:16providing multiple open space amenities,

23:20excuse me, of diverse types and

23:22providing a community building that will

23:23connect the residents socially as they

23:25check their mail and meet for various

23:27activities.

23:32The regions in purple are zoned heavy

23:35manufacturing which we share our east

23:37boundary with. The area between our

23:40residential buildings and the east

23:41boundary line is and will remain wooded

23:44with a protected creek and riparian

23:46buffer on both sides. We believe this is

23:49an asset that provides a natural

23:51boundary as well as the opportunity to

23:53locate a nature trail along the creek

23:55for exercise contemplation and for the

23:58community to remain aware of and pay

24:00attention to the natural environment

24:01nearby.

24:05As you can see, the site is currently

24:06wooded and between two neighborhoods and

24:09apartment cluster to the north and town

24:11houses to the south.

24:14Our project consists of five threestory

24:18apartment buildings, each with 24

24:20apartments. One and two and

24:23three-bedroom units will be available

24:25throughout each building, thus supported

24:27the intergenerational community goal of

24:29the urban neighborhood use. As stated

24:32earlier, a community building will be

24:34included near the entry to the site that

24:37will provide a space for neighbors to

24:39gather, pick up their mail, and work

24:41with staff to manage a new property.

24:44Buffers and street yards will meet the

24:46city of Neban requirements with existing

24:49vegetation and will be supplemented to

24:51meet those opacity objectives

24:54necessary.

25:00Amenities will include a playground,

25:04an outdoor seating area, a dog park, a

25:08fitness area, a volleyball court, a

25:10multi-use playfield, and a nature trail.

25:14Sidewalks will be along South 11th

25:16Street and throughout the project with

25:18accessible parking and bike racks as

25:20well, helping with the pedestrian

25:22connectivity with the boundary within

25:24the boundaries and to the surrounding

25:26communities.

25:28We've extended the public street from

25:30the south and provided a public rideway

25:33for emergency and sanitation vehicle

25:35circulation and access. That's Ashley.

25:38Do I

25:40Yeah, this right here is taking the stub

25:44from the subdivision to the south,

25:47bringing it up and allowing

25:49um vehicles to turn around and return.

25:52It is also possible to exit to 11th

25:55Street, but the public portion of that

25:58development, that was a goal to make

26:01sure we connected to the to the

26:03neighborhood to the south.

26:10>> Um,

26:11>> what's the current status of the

26:12neighborhood to the south

26:14>> under construction?

26:17Tim, I'll let Tim speak to the the

26:21utilities and breeding.

26:25>> Good evening, Mayor Council. Uh my name

26:27is Tim McKavin from Earth Centric

26:29Engineering.

26:31I'll speak to just um some of the

26:33underlying infrastructure for the site.

26:36Um

26:39uh we'll be

26:44There we go. Uh we'll be installing a a

26:48sewer network. Uh first of all, there's

26:51existing sewer uh that comes through the

26:54site like this. Um it's relatively

26:57shallow. Uh we'll be connecting the

27:00western portion of the site to that and

27:03then we will be connecting new sewer uh

27:05to the neighborhood to the south. We'll

27:07be extending it through the site and

27:09then we'll be extending it to the north

27:12uh to provide connectivity for uh

27:14neighbors to the north in the future. Uh

27:17the sewer will stop there and then we

27:19leave an easement uh to provide access

27:22to all of that outfall to the north.

27:26Uh water manes will connect at 11th

27:29Street and to the new development here

27:31to the south. uh that will allow the

27:34water to be looped uh which will just

27:36provide better fire protection and more

27:39uh consistency in the water pressure.

27:43Um

27:45uh Councilman White, the one of the

27:47reasons for the the change from the town

27:50houses was it was found that the soils

27:53along this eastern part of the site were

27:56less conducive uh to uh supporting

27:59building foundations than everything to

28:01the west.

28:03Uh hence we're keeping the buildings on

28:06this portion of the site and we're using

28:08this for parking play area and uh for

28:12the large storm water detention pond

28:16there. So that's some of the reason for

28:18the change uh from the townhouse

28:20development to this is just suitability

28:23of the site.

28:26Um

28:28again we'll have our storm water

28:30management facility here. All the

28:31impervious uh from the site will be

28:33directed here. Um

28:38oh thank you.

28:41Uh obviously it stays outside of the

28:44repairing buffer for the stream. Um and

28:46then they'll Oops. Sorry.

28:58Sorry, there we go.

29:01Uh anyway, uh again, storm water

29:03detention here, uh with the wet pond, um

29:07outletting, uh through a control

29:09structure into the repairarian buffer

29:11and then protecting all of this. Um,

29:14again, we've got large uh tree safe

29:17areas here where there used to be a

29:19culde-sac and more uh town houses here.

29:23Um, and storm water wise also throughout

29:26the park we have or throughout the site

29:29we have a lot of parks and pvious areas

29:32intermingled with the buildings.

29:44And following that, this is the proposed

29:47building materials and model and style.

29:51Thank you. Um that is intended by the

29:56the owner to be built.

29:59Um as you can see here, we intend to

30:00provide a building project that will

30:02make the residents comfortable and proud

30:04with attractive materials, balconies,

30:06patios, and landscaping.

30:09And now we're available for any

30:11questions.

30:11>> So what are the is it onebedroom,

30:14two-bedroom, and threebedroom choices or

30:16just two and three?

30:17>> All three.

30:18>> All three.

30:21>> So uh you changed you changed from uh

30:25according to Tim's comments, you you

30:26changed from town homes to apartments

30:29because you couldn't put town homes on

30:31the right hand side. That did that

30:34didn't have anything with more than

30:35doubling the density and the change?

30:39>> No. Um the builder actually built

30:43apartment buildings two lots up and it

30:45worked as a nice model. It's been very

30:48appreciated and so when this property

30:51came for sale, he thought let's that's

30:54that makes a lot of sense. We also think

30:56it's a good idea to keep all the

30:58development to the west to allow a large

31:01portion of the property to the east to

31:04be retain its natural possibilities.

31:07That would have obviously from the town

31:09homes that was not possible.

31:12>> Well, those those apartments up to the

31:14east were there before

31:16the the previous submission on from town

31:19homes. Why didn't he decide that he

31:21wanted to do do apartments the first

31:24time we came before the council?

31:28>> A different builder. Am I understanding

31:30the question correctly?

31:33>> Oak Grove Trails was by Meritage Homes.

31:36The 51 town homes approved on the site.

31:39So, they sold the property to Toledo

31:41Builders. Toledo Builders built um the

31:44apartments just north of here. It's 48

31:47units on 11th Street. um that were

31:49recently coed in the last I'd say 18

31:52months. So it was both a change of

31:56developer and a change of plans from

31:59town homes to apartments. It's not

32:01exactly an exciting proposal for me to

32:04go from uh 51 units to 120 to town homes

32:10which people purchase to apartments that

32:13are threetory and uh cracked in as much

32:17as you can get on that little portion of

32:19the land over there. I mean, to me, the

32:23even and and we can't really get into

32:25aesthetics, but it's just not

32:26aesthetically pleasing, but it's double

32:29the density in an area that's already

32:32very dense. Uh, I just kind of curious

32:35what was wrong with the first plan that

32:37was presented.

32:44>> Any other questions?

32:48There was mention of the area to the

32:51right not being suitable. Was that what

32:54prevented the previous owner from

32:56developing it or is that you know it was

33:00five years ago we approved this?

33:02>> I can't.

33:02>> You wouldn't know. I understand.

33:04>> I honestly don't know.

33:05>> Yeah.

33:10>> Any other questions?

33:12>> How many apartments are in Cedar Court?

33:15uh Cedar Court or Cedar Apartments. Do

33:18you know?

33:21>> I don't know.

33:21>> They've been there a while,

33:22>> but

33:23>> they have been It seems to be

33:26It is It is a dense area both north and

33:29south of this area.

33:32>> I do feel like um the apartment complex

33:35that this developer has done um if I'm

33:39not mistaken, I feel like each building

33:41had 16 units.

33:43>> Yes. um two story unit two story and

33:46these will be three story.

33:48>> Okay, that's the difference.

33:51>> They're threetory. Is that what you

33:54said?

33:54>> Yes,

33:54>> these will be

33:55>> we're going the original plan to the the

33:58development to the north of what you see

34:00here. They were twotory buildings and

34:03these will be three story.

34:04>> Is it elevators?

34:06>> No.

34:07>> Okay.

34:08That is also the demand for parking

34:12is greater because we have more units

34:15and therefore we we put as many as we

34:17could as close to the buildings and then

34:20had overflow.

34:23>> Talk talk about the parking and Mr.

34:25White alluded to it earlier. There's

34:26some very peculiar parking on the east

34:29side, northeast side. Can can you expand

34:31on that?

34:32>> It's city demand for parking. There's a

34:34minimum number of parking spaces

34:36required and we've met we have not gone

34:39over that amount. We've met it exactly.

34:44>> Yeah. I mean the general idea for

34:46parking though is the parking space is

34:48allocated to a unit or near the unit,

34:51not just a parking lot stuck somewhere

34:52on the piece of property so you can jam

34:56as many units and the rest of the land

34:58as possible, which is what it looks like

35:00to me on the drawing. I'm not a I'm not

35:03a huge fan of using every square inch of

35:07property for buildings.

35:09>> I understand.

35:11>> But it looks like to me they you jammed

35:13all the apartments on one side. You

35:14couldn't get the parking number of

35:16parking lots associated with it in in

35:19front of the unit. So you stuck a

35:21parking lot out on the right and you

35:22stuck a parking lot back. Well, actually

35:24there well stuck a parking lot on the

35:27rear, too.

35:28>> Yeah. I have I have concerns about if

35:31you're in that first building like right

35:33off of um coming in like there's only a

35:40few spots right in front of

35:43the building.

35:45Um

35:47I could see that being a real problem

35:50with with residents.

35:52>> Excellent point. You

35:52>> better get home early.

35:54>> Yeah.

35:55Yeah. And how many units per building?

35:5724.

35:59So there there are 24 spaces near each

36:03building.

36:07>> Sure. 24 near um are they assigned to

36:10each building,

36:12>> right? We don't

36:12>> That makes sense.

36:13>> We're at zoning. We we certainly can

36:15look deeper into the SEDDS.

36:23>> All right. Any any other questions? All

36:26right. It is a public hearing. Anybody

36:28from the public would love to talk,

36:31now's your chance.

36:38>> Yes.

36:39>> I was just looking at the site plan data

36:42and they are 13 spaces over what our UDO

36:46requires. We'll also be bringing

36:47mandatory text amendments to you all. Um

36:50the general assembly has told us to get

36:51rid of our parking requirements. So, um,

36:54soon we will have no minimum

36:57>> really.

36:59Well, it does fit in the area. Uh, I

37:02think we would have ra rather had town

37:04homes, but um um it is what it is. So,

37:08uh it's it's a continuation of what is

37:10already there and uh in my opinion and

37:15um but nobody from the public wants to

37:18speak. Do I have a motion to close

37:19public hearing? So move

37:21>> have a motion and a second. Any further

37:23discussion? If not, all those in favor

37:25say I.

37:26>> I.

37:27>> Opposed. All right. Public hearing is

37:29closed. Uh would you like to say

37:31anything else or do we have any

37:33questions for the developer engineers?

37:39>> I think we're set unless someone has

37:41questions.

37:42>> Anybody got questions? Nope.

37:46All right. What's the pleasure of the c

37:47of the council?

37:53>> I'm struggling with this one because,

37:55you know, I think part of the appeal

37:57that I had with the um

38:01the plan that had come before us with

38:03the the um property that's just a little

38:06bit north had um you know, 16 units per

38:11building. And I liked the the concept of

38:15having kind of a a smaller community um

38:20you know multif family

38:23uh neighborhood, right? Um,

38:29so and then I I also I have a lot of

38:32concerns about the layout of with this

38:35plan

38:38>> and um

38:39>> for the usability for residents.

38:41>> Then France, I noticed your um your

38:44technical review uh memo

38:47states that we only permit 72 units per

38:50year.

38:52and you looked at it and stated um well,

38:55they requested

38:57a um

39:00a deviation from the UDO um because we

39:03typically do 72 units per per year, but

39:06they wanted to do all 120.

39:10>> That's your paper flow policy that we

39:12adopted um several years ago, a few

39:15years ago. And um so recently uh as some

39:20of these proposals have come before you

39:24uh we've made it a part of if that's

39:26what they wanted to do or plan to do we

39:28made it a part of the approval that city

39:31council understands

39:33that uh this is a condition of the

39:36approval

39:38all of it being done at one time.

39:41>> Would that be detrimental to our system?

39:44uh we are far along in our uh expansion

39:47of our wastewater uh treatment facility

39:51and uh so more recently we've been uh

39:55allowing those type of requests to come

39:57before council.

40:00>> Thank you.

40:03Also

40:06they're requesting the payment in lie of

40:08public recreation.

40:15So you have private recreation is what

40:17you have.

40:34All right. What's the What's the

40:36pleasure of council?

40:42>> I can

40:44is it am I allowed to still speak? Um, I

40:48do want to reiterate the amount of open

40:51space and open space activities that we

40:53have included. Um, the trails open

40:57space. I know it's private.

41:01We certainly have enough

41:04people living in this area to utilize

41:07all the the playgrounds, the pavilions,

41:09the dog park, the

41:13volleyball court, the pocket park, just

41:16and we're providing a space where they

41:19can gather in inclement weather. Um,

41:24and we're providing enough parking

41:27in a in a way that allows people to have

41:31one car and there's public

41:33transportation near M by and the goal of

41:35being connected to a to a larger area

41:40doesn't mean you necessarily have to

41:42have a car. So, it's quite possible you

41:44only have one car. Town homes also

41:47require they had

41:50two parking places per town home which

41:54increased the amount of impervious. So

41:56in that way the impervious was actually

41:59great good deal greater and the

42:01amenities and open space was a good deal

42:04less under the town home development.

42:08>> Thank you.

42:10Also,

42:12Montrina, I believe, is um was pointed

42:14out at planning board and and Ashley

42:16possibly you can help me remember. Um,

42:18one of the planning board members

42:20pointed out that our our payment in lie

42:23uh for uh public recreation under the

42:27previous uh design five years ago, the

42:31uh property was valued very differently

42:33and it was a something on the order of a

42:35$20,000 uh payment in L and I believe

42:38ours isund 120

42:41>> or 112. So it's a it's a fairly

42:44substantial uh payment in Lou. Um,

42:48uh, for the public recreation part,

42:56>> I make a motion to deny the R8 CED

42:59reszoning as presented due to lack of

43:00consistency with the objectives and

43:02goals of the MEBIN 2045 comprehensive

43:04plan.

43:05>> Second.

43:08>> All right, we have a motion and a

43:10second. Any further discussion?

43:13>> If not, all those in favor say I. I I

43:16>> any opposed?

43:18>> Motion carries to deny. Thank y'all.

43:23All right. Next up is conditional

43:25reszoning.

43:27Uh Roger Shields 7 Brew. Uh not quite an

43:31acre on 3970 Wilson Road, R20

43:35residential district to B2 general

43:37business condition for a drive-thru

43:39beverage restaurant known as Seven Brew.

43:44this ombi.

43:45>> Yes. This is a request by the property

43:47owner for a portion of a 5. Acre

43:50property that has front end on Meban

43:52Oaks Road. It's currently zoned R20,

43:54which is the least dense residential

43:56zoning district in Mebban. And the

43:58request is to reszone the property to BT

44:01B2CD, which is general business

44:03conditional district. As you can see on

44:05the map, most of the properties that

44:08have frontage on Meban Oaks Road are

44:09already zoned for general business.

44:12either the general zoning district or a

44:15conditional district. There are

44:17residentially zoned properties in the

44:19area. Um, particularly the neighborhood

44:22behind Mr. Shield's property is zoned

44:24R20.

44:28This property is in our extr territorial

44:30jurisdiction in Alamance County.

44:33Annexation is required with connection

44:35to city utilities which do require some

44:38extension to reach the site.

44:41It is currently a vacant, undeveloped

44:43piece of land. Surrounding uses include

44:47a lot of retail and commercial medical

44:50dental offices, restaurants with

44:52drive-throughs, as I mentioned, the

44:54single family neighborhood that's

44:55nearby, and also some undeveloped land.

45:01This property is identified as regional

45:04commercial in the Meban 2045

45:06comprehensive plan. And this regional

45:09commercial place type supports

45:11autooriented land uses.

45:16The proposed development is also

45:19consistent with the Meban Oaks Road

45:20small area plan. Um this is the small

45:24area plan that was adopted in the early

45:262000s and I've just highlighted here.

45:28The darker green color is what's been

45:30constructed or is under construction. Um

45:33the peach color is what was been

45:35approved by the Creek Side Village.

45:37They're starting site work, but the road

45:39does not exist yet. Um it's hard to see,

45:41but the small red area, it's what's um

45:44proposed with this site development. And

45:47then the gray area that remains um is

45:50the gap

45:55as a conditional zoning district. This

45:57is um

46:00proposed to follow a sight specific plan

46:02and the plan shows just over a 500

46:05square foot building with two

46:07drive-through lanes.

46:09A traffic impact analysis was completed

46:11and also a queuing study was provided by

46:14the applicant. Extension of Wilson Road

46:17is required. Um that extension includes

46:20appropriate pavement markings and also

46:22stop signs. Sidewalk is required along

46:25the front edges of the site and any

46:28modifications that are required to the

46:30traffic signal that currently exists at

46:33the Garrett crossing intersection would

46:35be the responsibility of the developer.

46:40Conditions of the request include a

46:4210-ft type B perimeter buffer and that

46:45is along this perimeter. The requirement

46:48by the UDO is a 20 foot type C. Type C

46:52is aesthetic buffer, not as many

46:55plantings. Type B is semiopekc. So

46:58though they're reducing the width,

46:59they're also increasing uh the number of

47:02plantings.

47:04And then the applicant is requesting for

47:07the allowance of a freestanding pole

47:09sign with a larger sign area and a

47:11greater height. They'll detail that um

47:14sign more in their presentation.

47:17Are there any questions for me at this

47:19time?

47:20Just to reconfirm. So the the piece that

47:24we're looking at connecting, it's not

47:26the entire

47:28gray piece. It's the part that's dotted

47:31or had the like red dots around it.

47:34>> Um it's just this little portion from

47:37where Wilson Road currently dead ends to

47:40where the stub at the traffic signal

47:42dead ends.

47:43>> Okay. Thanks.

47:44>> So we'll complete the loop.

47:46>> Yes, the loop there. Um, it will not

47:48connect to the Creek Side Village

47:50development. So, it will not go to Old

47:52Hillsboro or Bowman Road.

47:54>> But if someone were to make a left turn

47:56off of Most Road, they won't get to the

47:59dead end, have to turn around.

48:03>> Any other questions?

48:07>> Okay.

48:11>> Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of

48:13council. on Nathan Duggin, 400 Bellam

48:16Street, Greensboro. Happy to be in front

48:18of y'all tonight. Uh, let me do a couple

48:21introductions and I'm going to go

48:22through our slide presentation. Davis

48:25Weaver is with us with Pedmont Beverage

48:27Company out of Spartanber, South

48:29Carolina. They're the developer uh, and

48:31are in the process of developing a

48:33number of seven brews across the Carolas

48:36uh, hopefully this one in the future.

48:39Caitlyn Jackson's always here with me

48:40with Tugle Duggins and Dion Brown is

48:43with me with Davenport Engineering

48:46Answer Traffic Questions. She was the

48:48author of the TIA that uh that Ashley

48:51mentioned. All right, let me get queued

48:54up here. All right.

48:56All right. As um Ashley mentioned, yeah,

48:59current zoning is R20. So, there'll have

49:02to be an annexation. That's not for

49:03tonight, but there'll have to be an

49:04annexation down the road. uh moving to a

49:07B uh two uh general business conditional

49:10uh and and Ashley's already mentioned

49:12the two conditions. I'll talk about

49:13those in a few minutes. Uh and the

49:16proposed use is the seven brew uh

49:18product there on the corner.

49:22I want to go back. Can I go back? No, I

49:25can't go back.

49:27Oh,

49:27>> here we go.

49:29to answer a question that was asked

49:32earlier.

49:36What we're completing is that red right

49:39there.

49:40>> Miss Burke Holder, do you see that? I

49:42think that was your question.

49:43>> Yes. Thank you.

49:44>> And it was being shown on the site plan

49:46which was more zoomed in. But

49:48>> what what's not being completed is that

49:50gray piece that

49:52>> I'm not going to be able to see. Can I

49:54draw it up there? That gray piece right

49:55there. Um, we represented the developer

49:59that has proposed and has is in the

50:02process of uh building the orange. I

50:06don't think it's I hadn't been out

50:07there. I didn't drive down that far

50:10today, but um that's in the process and

50:12I think the council approved that maybe

50:14sometime last year. Um, so I just wanted

50:18to answer that question real quick. So,

50:21all right, site plan. So, couple things

50:24to lift up about the site plan. And

50:25Ashley stole my thunder a little bit on

50:27the buffer. Um, we spent a lot of time

50:30on the site plan. Um, particularly with

50:33staff and with NC DOT. We had originally

50:36had the the building which is in the

50:38middle of the site now.

50:42The building is here now. Okay. It's a

50:45modular building. I'm going to show you

50:47a picture of it in a second, but it was

50:49sitting more towards the front of the

50:50site. Okay. And in working with staff,

50:54we we quickly determined that it was

50:56better from a stacking standpoint to

50:57move the building back to the middle of

50:59the site so that you could have more

51:02onsite stacking storage if you will

51:05around the building. And it also made

51:07the interchange here, this is Wilson,

51:09what we call Wilson Road extended. Um,

51:12and to Mrs. perholders uh question. This

51:16right here and then around this corner

51:18to about right here is what will be new

51:21construction. Uh and um as Mr. Bradley

51:26pointed out, you'll you you can go

51:28straight through. Now when this is done,

51:30you would be able to drive uh behind the

51:32Chick-fil-A, behind the Wendy's, behind

51:34the Aspen Dentl turn, you know, stop

51:36sign here, right turn, and then of

51:39course you all know there's a light

51:40that's down here. Okay. So, that's it's

51:42going to be a big improvement to the the

51:45functionality of uh all of the retail

51:48that's happening uh that's already been

51:51built and is is is currently in place

51:54along Mean Oaks Road. And of course,

51:56hopefully uh one day will be the

51:59ultimate connection uh between Wilson

52:01Road all the way down to Old Chapel Hill

52:03Road.

52:05All right. Oh. Oh, let me go back to

52:07that real quick. So, let me speak to the

52:09condition related to the buffer. Um, in

52:12our process with staff and with NC DOT,

52:15we did we are asking for a a 10-ft

52:18buffer, more opaque buffer, thicker

52:20buffer uh to the north uh so that we

52:24could make the site a little wider,

52:26which gave us some more storage on site,

52:28which which I think we've achieved. Um,

52:30the Chick-fil-A, I looked earlier

52:32tonight. The Chick-fil-A also has a 10-

52:34foot buffer between it and uh it's its

52:37neighbor uh to the site.

52:40>> Which business is immediately to the

52:42north?

52:42>> I think the Verizon

52:45>> it's Verizon.

52:47>> Aspen. I mean, it's going from one

52:49commercial to another.

52:50>> Correct. Correct.

52:52>> Um I'm going to show you a picture of

52:54the sign, but for y'all's uh benefit,

52:57the sign is here.

52:59uh and would be consistent with other

53:01signs that sit on Meban Oaks Road.

53:05Here's a a illustrative purposes only uh

53:09version of a seven bruise. It's a it's a

53:13small building. It's built modularly. Uh

53:15it can be built very quickly or put in

53:17place and installed very quickly. Um,

53:20and uh, I think that's one of the

53:22advantages of of the modular building is

53:24that you can do the site work, bring the

53:26modular building out and have the

53:27building up and the and the and the

53:30retail location going pretty fast.

53:33Pretty fast. This is the pylon sign. Uh,

53:37your UDO allows city council to uh, ex

53:41extend the height. You see, we're asking

53:43for a 30 foot tall, 10 foot wide, seven

53:46brew on a pylon. That's consistent with

53:48the signage that you see down there

53:50through Leon Oaks. Right now,

53:55as Ashley lifted up, this is consistent

53:57with your comprehensive plan. On the

53:59left, you see um your you know the the

54:03commercial running down Mean Oak's uh

54:06road. On the right, a more fuzzy picture

54:09of the same picture that Stacy showed

54:11with the connectivity. The star is the

54:14site and the connectivity um of Wilson

54:17Road. Um

54:20again, we're excited about this site.

54:21We're excited about Wilson Road

54:22extension uh being constructed here to

54:26ask any answer any questions. Um Mr.

54:29Weaver and of course Dion are here for

54:31traffic questions.

54:33I think one of my main questions um is,

54:37you know, Chick-fil-A came and has

54:40renovated,

54:42I think, two times since their original

54:45construction. So, um I know traffic and

54:50and frankly like just the level of

54:52business and success that they've had in

54:54that site

54:55>> caught them off guard. So I think my

54:58main thing is just making sure that we

55:00factored in with the traffic analysis um

55:04you know the the highest likely you know

55:10flow possible.

55:11>> Sure. Dion you want to get and speak to

55:14that

55:17>> and as as she's coming up Miss

55:19Burkholder let me mention that was part

55:21of the iterative process that we went

55:22through with the staff. the previous

55:24site had less storage and then in

55:27working with staff, hey, let's see if we

55:29can

55:30>> narrow that buffer from from 20 to 10

55:33and and that really helped with our

55:35stacking and also moving the building

55:37backwards. But I'll let Dion speak to

55:39the to the storage issue.

55:40>> Absolutely.

55:44>> Good afternoon, Deion Brown, Davenport,

55:484600 Marriott Drive, Raleigh. Um,

55:54we have to do some traffic basically to

55:58see how traffic moves along the

56:01intersections. Um, we also accounted for

56:05those who might want to reroute to the

56:08signal now that it will be available to

56:11them. So, we did some factors of that as

56:13well. Um,

56:18everything worked at a level service

56:29D or better

56:33and

56:38make sure

56:41yes or better for all the intersection.

56:44Um the signal worked well with the new

56:48traffic in the extended lane or ex

56:53connection. Um and even the intersection

56:57to the north.

57:00No, don't get me to tell you a story. Uh

57:03Forest Oaks and uh Wilson improve

57:07because of the rerouting of the traffic

57:08to get to the signal.

57:11Um, and I feel like you've been before

57:15us several times with several times

57:17traffic impact analysis studies. So, I'm

57:20assuming that you are also factoring in

57:23the new developments that are coming

57:25into the south with your your current

57:28analysis.

57:28>> Yes, I've worked on those actually.

57:30>> Yeah.

57:32>> Yes. All all of those developments uh

57:34were factor in. We of course do a scope

57:37of meeting with NCDOT and the city to

57:39make sure that we have all of the right

57:41um approved developments included.

57:43>> Great. Thanks.

57:44>> The scope of your traffic analysis is

57:46just on the roads. You're not analyzing

57:49how much business 7 Brew is going to get

57:52and how backed up their drive-thru is

57:54going to be. That's outside of your

57:55scope or that's part of your scope. for

57:58this project. We did not, but they did

57:59have an independent um

58:02report from a different consultant that

58:04did several of their uh developments

58:07that did the queueing to determine that

58:09they probably needed to move their

58:10building

58:11>> because I'm more concerned about the

58:12stacking on the property itself than the

58:14traffic on the roads around it because I

58:16think this is going to help the roads

58:18roads around it. I think we all

58:19recognize that. But I'm just concerned

58:22that this business is going to be very

58:25successful and we want businesses in

58:27Maven to be very successful but to the

58:29point that um people are going to become

58:33very frustrated at this successful

58:35business. So, so could somebody speak to

58:37us about how you analyzed the expected

58:41business compared to other seven brews

58:43in the area and what you've learned and

58:47have you ever tried to shoehorn a seven

58:49brew onto a piece of property like this

58:51before?

58:52>> Introduce yourself.

58:54>> Davis Weaver uh from uh 169 Ivy Street

58:58in Spartanberg, South Carolina. I work

59:00for the franchisee that's developing

59:02this this project and uh owns and

59:04operates a number of seven brews across

59:06the Carolinas and and Georgia as well.

59:09Uh so as has been referenced, Kimley

59:13Horn uh did a comprehensive traffic

59:16study on uh I think they included

59:20upwards of 10 different seven brews that

59:22are already in operation. Um, and so

59:25that that traffic study determined that

59:28we needed at least eight stacking spaces

59:31uh in each of the two lanes uh for a

59:34total of 16, which is what we've

59:36accomplished with this site plan to

59:38accommodate, you know, uh I think it was

59:40up to 95% or if not 100% of of all times

59:45with with traffic uh and and the amount

59:48of demand. Um, and to your question,

59:51we've developed on uh a number of sites,

59:54you know, smaller and more compact than

59:56this. And, you know, we we wanted to

59:59accommodate uh as much stacking as

1:00:01possible uh within the bounds of of this

1:00:04property. And I think we've we've done a

1:00:06good job of accomplishing that. So your

1:00:08other seven brews are comparable with

1:00:11the with the estimate or uh you've

1:00:14learned how many people

1:00:17you know are coming to the coming to the

1:00:19site. Yes sir. Good.

1:00:21>> Yes sir.

1:00:22>> So you said you analyze 10 other seven

1:00:24brew. So how does that work? Do you take

1:00:26the average or do you try to make this

1:00:29>> took took the maximum of the maximum of

1:00:31>> Yeah. We looked at I mean they broke

1:00:33down into I can't is it 10 or 12?

1:00:36>> 10.

1:00:36>> 10.

1:00:38Yeah, perfect. Uh, so it's it's 10

1:00:40different properties all across the

1:00:41United States and they broke them down

1:00:43into three different categories of high

1:00:45volume, medium, medium volume and low

1:00:48volume. And uh looking at the results

1:00:52the the we looked at the high volume

1:00:54stores and the maximum uh stacking

1:00:57needed to accommodate uh the de demand

1:00:59at those high volume stores.

1:01:02>> Where are those stores located? Uh, I

1:01:04can read all uh

1:01:06>> yeah uh Kenosha, Wisconsin, Sinking

1:01:09Spring, Pennsylvania, Independence,

1:01:11Missouri, Witchah Falls, Texas,

1:01:13Sterling, Illinois, Boone, North

1:01:15Carolina, Huntsville, Alabama,

1:01:17Shelbyville, Indiana, Dallas, Texas, and

1:01:20Columbia, South Carolina.

1:01:22>> That's quite a

1:01:24>> That's quite an an area. That's pretty

1:01:26cool.

1:01:27>> Carolina was boom.

1:01:28>> Uh yes, ma'am. Yeah,

1:01:30>> you get I think I saw a new one in

1:01:33Newburn. Did y'all build just build one

1:01:35in Newburn?

1:01:36>> That that is a different franchisee.

1:01:37There is I believe there is one

1:01:39>> in seven brews on so it's not

1:01:41>> it it's it is a seven brew. We that is

1:01:43not part of our franchisee territory. Uh

1:01:46so I can't speak to you that store u you

1:01:49firsthand knowledge but yes there is a

1:01:51store in Newurn that is a seven brew.

1:01:53Yes ma'am.

1:01:53>> Thank you. I if I'm not mistaken, I

1:01:56think Huntsville was recognized as like

1:01:58one of the fastest growing

1:02:00municipalities or like suburban

1:02:02communities in the country um a year or

1:02:05two ago.

1:02:06>> Yes, ma'am.

1:02:07>> I have family that lives there, which is

1:02:08the only reason that I remember that.

1:02:10But um but I would imagine that site

1:02:13actually sees a fair number of traffic.

1:02:15>> Uh yes, ma'am.

1:02:20So what happens if you're just way more

1:02:24successful than your models predict?

1:02:26What do we do?

1:02:28>> Uh when we have, you know, busy periods

1:02:32or or you know uh bit promo days or any

1:02:34kind of special um

1:02:38events that we anticipate uh increased

1:02:40traffic or if a store has you know

1:02:43higher traffic than you know a standard

1:02:46site can can handle. We uh we bring in

1:02:49extra staff to you know actively manage

1:02:52the traffic and flow around our sites

1:02:54and you know we we'll staff up to to run

1:02:58um you know to to increase throughput uh

1:03:00as as much as possible.

1:03:03>> Is that a voluntary condition?

1:03:06uh that is operationally or

1:03:11how we how we operate our source but uh

1:03:13that is not something that we would uh

1:03:15look to have as a condition.

1:03:19>> I'm I'm not going to add this as a

1:03:20condition but I am adding this as just a

1:03:23general note as we learned um when a

1:03:26bookstore had a very successful 50th

1:03:29anniversary. Um, if you anticipate

1:03:32anything like that, please communicate

1:03:34with Chief McKenna ahead of time.

1:03:37>> Understood. That's part of our standard

1:03:38operating procedure.

1:03:39>> Thank you.

1:03:40>> Yes, ma'am.

1:03:43But just for the council, I have met I

1:03:45met with the district manager um or

1:03:48district engineer of district 7 um and

1:03:52implored him to do a traffic um

1:03:58signalization study to improve

1:04:00particularly the left turn in

1:04:03signalization.

1:04:04Um and then obviously some of that crowd

1:04:08uh will will cars will go down to the

1:04:11light and go that way because a lot do

1:04:13that anyway and make a Uturn u in a on a

1:04:17deadend street. So uh with the

1:04:19signalization and I have it has not been

1:04:22done yet that that was two weeks ago. So

1:04:25um we are we're waiting for that and

1:04:28with the opening of this road I think it

1:04:31according to uh everything we we know

1:04:34with traffic in impacted us it is going

1:04:36to improve that whole Maven Oaks plateau

1:04:41uh a lot. Um it is uh with people

1:04:45pulling out of the the uh offramp and in

1:04:49in the line of traffic and parked

1:04:51because the left turn going in. So, uh,

1:04:54it's going to give us some alternatives,

1:04:55particularly, um, um, Diane, we're

1:04:58looking forward to, uh, it, it took a

1:05:01special company to buy this lot. And,

1:05:05um, y'all were, y'all were um, for one

1:05:09of a better word, a godsend in the fact

1:05:11that it does fit that, you know, that

1:05:14piece of property. And, uh, you know,

1:05:16it's uh, um, Thank you. Thank you.

1:05:20>> I have a question. Will the CO um when

1:05:22the uh if we approve this and the

1:05:24building is built, will the CO be tied

1:05:27to the um the road being opened and the

1:05:31light being functional

1:05:33>> before the CO being issued, not we're

1:05:37going to do it later and then we have

1:05:39all this catastrophe going on with it's

1:05:42got to be tied to that CO and have it

1:05:44functioning.

1:05:45All I can speak to is our all our our

1:05:48only access point to our site is is

1:05:50through that road and so the road will

1:05:53have to be operational.

1:05:54>> You can make it a part of the condition

1:05:55is a conditional use, right? Is that

1:05:57right, Lawson?

1:05:59>> Well, they wouldn't really as I

1:06:02understand the plans if you don't finish

1:06:03that road, you don't have access to your

1:06:05property for business.

1:06:07>> Yes, ma'am. You know what we face?

1:06:09>> Oh, I know.

1:06:11>> Yeah. and and and I'm looking at uh

1:06:13we're also taking responsibility for any

1:06:15modification to the signal too and all

1:06:17that will be required before we open the

1:06:20store.

1:06:20>> Thank you.

1:06:21>> One one of the things that impressed me

1:06:23about the design was there's no

1:06:24intention of bringing traffic on to Mean

1:06:26Oaks Road from that propert.

1:06:28>> Absolutely.

1:06:29>> So it all has to come around. Yeah.

1:06:31because that's that's a that's one of

1:06:34the issues now people trying to get out

1:06:36from uh the two other properties and

1:06:39with the with the traffic jam and and if

1:06:42I can just speak quickly to the Kimry

1:06:43Horn the report that Davis was reading

1:06:46from um I think y'all know Chuck Edwards

1:06:49by reputation. Yes.

1:06:50>> Um he he he is a uh a safety first

1:06:55traffic guy. NC DOT, you know, he's

1:06:58we've worked with him a lot on this

1:06:59corridor. Um and uh he was holding our

1:07:02feet to the fire on this one. Uh and and

1:07:04really appreciated the report they had

1:07:06generated which was kind of speaking to

1:07:08Mr. White's question about what what you

1:07:10know what's the high use what what does

1:07:12a seven brew generate in terms of so

1:07:15that really helped him zone zoom in on

1:07:18that and answer some questions he had.

1:07:21>> Can you tell talk to us about the

1:07:22signalization and the progress moving

1:07:24forward? I'm hoping there's going to be

1:07:26one two maybe even three iterations or

1:07:28reviews. Oh, as as

1:07:31>> yeah, NC dot will absolutely basically

1:07:34control the modification to the Are you

1:07:36talking about the signal that on the

1:07:38>> Yeah. Just to try make make me oaks a

1:07:39little bit smoother.

1:07:40>> Absolutely. Yeah. And and the hope is

1:07:42that over time you'll have more traffic

1:07:45coming down to the second signal and not

1:07:47going back to the first signal. Right.

1:07:50And that'll help with with with the

1:07:52traffic flow. But yeah, we'll work we're

1:07:54going to work work very closely with NC

1:07:57DOT as we as we do that.

1:08:00>> I have a few more questions about the

1:08:01site plan. Go ahead.

1:08:02>> I think there was one little side

1:08:04comment

1:08:04>> to

1:08:04>> your question, Council Member Yuan. If

1:08:06you're referencing what the mayor said

1:08:07about the synchronization,

1:08:09>> that is not a requirement or condition

1:08:12of Seven Brew, Mr. Dugens um uh client,

1:08:17but the city staff and city chief

1:08:19elected official has had discussions

1:08:21with um NC DOT that that that we would

1:08:26like that to be looked at in general,

1:08:27but also with this new traffic pattern

1:08:29opening, we felt like it especially

1:08:31needed to be looked at again. But I just

1:08:33wanted clarification.

1:08:34>> Thank you for that. Yeah, I just want to

1:08:35make sure I appreciate the mayor uh

1:08:37working with DOT. Appreciate staff

1:08:39working with DOT. It's just I know a lot

1:08:41of activities happening on Mean Oaks.

1:08:43So, I really appreciate everyone. My

1:08:44apologies.

1:08:45>> Well, Min Oaks is is is uh well

1:08:48traveled, but when you compound people

1:08:51getting off the interstate and parking

1:08:53in the lanes, waiting for a left turn

1:08:57into so if they would solve the

1:08:59signalization of the left turn

1:09:01particularly and and when they turn to

1:09:04green, that will help a lot. And um once

1:09:07people realize that you can go

1:09:09particularly local, if they if they're

1:09:10going to Seven Brew, they'll go the

1:09:12other way if they're smart. And uh so

1:09:16anyway,

1:09:18we've implored them to um to do it and

1:09:20do it quickly.

1:09:21>> Sink in those lights as we go south.

1:09:23>> Yes.

1:09:24>> And south is to your right on this

1:09:27presentation, but you can you can see

1:09:29obviously where the interstate is there.

1:09:32>> I have a few questions on the site plan.

1:09:34First is about employee parking. Is

1:09:37there sufficient? What is the plan

1:09:39there? Second is there's this third pass

1:09:42through lane, but it doesn't go all the

1:09:44way around, and I don't understand the

1:09:46purpose for that. And then the third is

1:09:48it looks like you're doing some

1:09:51interesting things with sidewalks to

1:09:53maybe have a walk up counter. I don't

1:09:55really understand that. So, talk me

1:09:57through those three things.

1:09:58>> Let me ask Davis to come back up and

1:10:00answer those questions.

1:10:03the passroughs, employee parking, pass

1:10:06through and uh walk up traffic.

1:10:08>> Got it. Davis Weaver. Uh again, uh so

1:10:13employee parking, yes, we have optimized

1:10:16this site as best as possible to fit as

1:10:19many parking spots as as we can possibly

1:10:21fit. And uh with with the eight on-site

1:10:25parking spaces that that should be

1:10:27sufficient for uh even our our you know

1:10:30largest shifts um you know of employees

1:10:34uh pass through lane. Um so that is to

1:10:38accommodate any larger vehicles that

1:10:40come through that can't fit under the uh

1:10:44the canopy. Um is is one of the driving

1:10:47factors there. and you know if a car

1:10:50comes in and decides that they don't in

1:10:52fact want to you know order anything and

1:10:54want to you know get out of line it's

1:10:55kind of an escape lane for for them as

1:10:57well. Um

1:10:58>> okay

1:10:59>> so those those are the you know primary

1:11:00p purposes for that um and in busy times

1:11:04can you know help with additional

1:11:05capacity uh if we can use that third

1:11:08lane as well. um the sidewalk uh that

1:11:12was driven by requirements

1:11:15um from from the UDO uh NC dot I

1:11:19believe.

1:11:20>> Well, I see two sets of sidewalks here.

1:11:21It looks to me it looks like sidewalks

1:11:23along Meban Oaks, but then this other

1:11:26strange sidewalk that goes right up to

1:11:28your building.

1:11:28>> See the one up here will we have walk up

1:11:31traffic is I think the question. Uh yes,

1:11:34we are it is laid out and I believe it

1:11:36was a code requirement to you know have

1:11:39direct access for pedestrians for

1:11:42pedestrian walk up and yes we we can uh

1:11:45and will serve uh walk up customers.

1:11:48>> Okay. Okay. Because many drive-throughs

1:11:49won't serve

1:11:50>> yes customers.

1:11:52>> Yeah. You've got the, you know, primary

1:11:54um, you know, service area that services

1:11:57the drive-thru lanes, but there is also

1:11:59a kind of walk up u window and area on

1:12:03the uh, plan north side of this building

1:12:05that could serve um, the walk up

1:12:09customers.

1:12:10And did I address all the questions?

1:12:16>> Any other questions?

1:12:19Um there's been some conversation about

1:12:22and maybe you're going to get to this uh

1:12:25money that we have in escrow for

1:12:27$200,000 blah blah blah. Can you talk us

1:12:30through that?

1:12:30>> Yeah, I think I've talked to uh city

1:12:33council uh city council city attorney.

1:12:37Um and uh it's it is later on your

1:12:40agenda. Um, so I think we'll if we can

1:12:42just address it then I think that'd be

1:12:43fine.

1:12:45>> So, so you will stick around for

1:12:48Thank you.

1:12:50>> All right. Any other questions?

1:12:52All right. If not, it is a public

1:12:54hearing. Anybody like to speak?

1:13:02All right. Make a motion we close public

1:13:04hearing.

1:13:04>> Got a motion.

1:13:06>> Got a second to close the public

1:13:08hearing. Any further discussion?

1:13:11If not, all those in favor say I. I.

1:13:13>> Any opposed? Motion carries to close the

1:13:16public hearing.

1:13:19>> Motion to approve the B2 conditional

1:13:22district zoning resoning is presented.

1:13:25Find the applicant as consistent with

1:13:26the objectives and goals of the Meban

1:13:292045 comprehensive plan. Specifically,

1:13:31the request as for property

1:13:35identified as regional, commercial, and

1:13:37future land use. U map

1:13:40Second. We

1:13:40>> We have a motion.

1:13:42>> Second.

1:13:43>> Second. Any further discussion?

1:13:45>> I just want to highlight to seven brew

1:13:46that we expect you to be very very good

1:13:48neighbors. We're if this approved, we're

1:13:50excited to have you, but you have some

1:13:52responsibilities on you to pull this off

1:13:54in a very very excellent way and we

1:13:57expect you to do that.

1:13:59>> Any further discussion? If not, all

1:14:01those in favor say I.

1:14:03>> Any opposed? Motion carries.

1:14:07All right, let's uh let's call a fivem

1:14:09minute break.

1:20:12All right, let's move on to the next

1:20:14public hearing is a uh ordinance to

1:20:17extend the corporate limits. U Mr.

1:20:20Lawson Brown.

1:20:22>> Thank you, mayor, mayor, members of the

1:20:24council. This is a ordinance to extend

1:20:26the corporate limits uh filed by the

1:20:29owner Lebanon Road 3 LLC uh for the

1:20:33Tupelo North development. It's a

1:20:36voluntary contiguous annexation of 87.73

1:20:40acres located in Orange County off

1:20:42Lebanon Road.

1:20:45Last month, uh you accepted the petition

1:20:47and certificate of sufficiency of the

1:20:50clerk and set a date of public hearing

1:20:52for tonight. It is staff's

1:20:54recommendation that this uh land be

1:20:58annexed into the city of Meban. I and

1:21:01staff are ready, willing, and able to

1:21:03answer any questions that you might

1:21:05have. It is a public hearing.

1:21:10All right. Any questions for Mr. Brown?

1:21:17If not, it is a public hearing. Anybody

1:21:20in the audience like to speak?

1:21:25If not,

1:21:26>> I make a motion to close the public

1:21:27hearing. Second. We have a motion and a

1:21:29second to close the public hearing. Any

1:21:31further discussion?

1:21:33>> If not, all those in favor say I.

1:21:35>> Any opposed?

1:21:36>> Motion carries to close the public

1:21:38hearing.

1:21:40Pleasure to council.

1:21:42>> I move to adopt an ordinance to extend

1:21:43the corporate limit city, North Carolina

1:21:45to include the plus or minus 87.73 acres

1:21:49on Lebanon Road. Second.

1:21:52>> We have a motion and a second. Any

1:21:53further discussion? If not, all those in

1:21:55favor say I.

1:21:56>> I.

1:21:57>> Any opposed?

1:21:59>> Motion carries. All right. Uh carrying

1:22:02on downtown social district ordinance

1:22:05amendment schedule adjustment. Our own

1:22:08Sarah Williams, DMDC Executive Director.

1:22:12>> All righty. Thank y'all for having me on

1:22:14behalf of uh my board and our

1:22:16organization and myself. We really

1:22:18appreciate you considering this request,

1:22:20which we think will be a benefit to our

1:22:22wonderful downtown.

1:22:24So, a little history, it's brief. just

1:22:27been uh in place for 2 years, but as you

1:22:30all probably recall back in May of 2024,

1:22:32you all agreed to adopt this for a

1:22:34one-year trial, and that was on

1:22:36Thursdays to Sundays from 11:00 a.m. to

1:22:3810 p.m. Then, when the concerns weren't

1:22:41realized, we saw the economic benefit.

1:22:44There was public support, we came before

1:22:46you all again a year later in May of

1:22:482025, and you all amended it to make it

1:22:51permanent, as well as enlarge the

1:22:52boundary to include additional

1:22:54businesses. Uh, so it's the building

1:22:56that Shuffle and Roll is in off of Fifth

1:22:58Street. They actually came to us and

1:22:59requested that and then you preemptively

1:23:02added um, as you all probably recall,

1:23:04the third and clay pocket park uh, that

1:23:07was going to be constructed. The entire

1:23:09time of the district, we've had a

1:23:10management and maintenance plan in place

1:23:12with our partners. So, it's us, we have

1:23:14MEP and PD with uh, support of it and

1:23:16public works staff as well so that we

1:23:19can make sure everyone is informed and

1:23:20stays safe and our downtown remains

1:23:22clean and beautiful. Couple of things

1:23:24we've done on our behalf with that plan

1:23:26is the stickers we initially put down on

1:23:28the sidewalk were temporary and some of

1:23:30them had been ripped and torn up. So,

1:23:32we've replaced those. We also did a

1:23:34re-education campaign on social media

1:23:36and through our newsletter both um ahead

1:23:38of Autumnfest and Dogwood when we see a

1:23:41higher use of the district with the big

1:23:42events. And so, we have done those

1:23:44things. We'll continue to do them if

1:23:46this expansion goes into place.

1:23:50So existing map and times I am going to

1:23:53state for the record. I apologize in

1:23:55being so fixated on the schedule and

1:23:58other data for this presentation. I

1:23:59failed to realize that that presentation

1:24:01has the initial map, not the amended

1:24:042026 map. So you'll see at the break I

1:24:06placed a printout copy so you have that

1:24:08in front of you. Um and again it

1:24:10includes the pocket park as well as the

1:24:12building off of Fifth Street. and the

1:24:15current times our schedule is Thursday

1:24:17to Sunday 11:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. So

1:24:20the proposed expansion is no change to

1:24:22the boundary. The footprint would stay

1:24:24the same and then we would propose that

1:24:26the schedule adjusts to be every day of

1:24:28the week from 10:00 a.m. until 10 p.m.

1:24:32There are a few reasons for this

1:24:34request. First and foremost, we have

1:24:36seen it uh as an economic boost to our

1:24:38downtown. I've got data from the

1:24:39businesses I'll share a little bit

1:24:41later. And so we just believe that

1:24:42additional days will lead to additional

1:24:45economic revitalization and support for

1:24:47our downtown and its businesses. Second

1:24:49is pretty obvious. It's easier to

1:24:51remember. Even some folks on our board

1:24:53were like, "What what was the day?" And

1:24:54you know exactly the time. And so just

1:24:55to keep it simple um for businesses,

1:24:58police officers to enforce it, visitors

1:25:00to enjoy it. We believe it'd be simpler

1:25:02to keep it 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. daily. And

1:25:05then the reason we bumped it up to 10:00

1:25:07a.m. that additional hour in addition to

1:25:10being, you know, easier to remember

1:25:11saying 10 to 10 was mostly so that it

1:25:14could align with our big events, many of

1:25:16which start at 10:00 a.m. So, for

1:25:18example, we just had Autumn Best and

1:25:20Bright Penny was one of our vendors.

1:25:22They loaded in at the early we hours

1:25:23with the rest of the vendors, but

1:25:26twiddled their thumbs until 11:00 a.m.

1:25:28before they could serve. So, we think

1:25:29that additional hour will help them

1:25:31economically, any vendors that can sell

1:25:33um at our events. and then any visitors

1:25:36or attendees that would choose to have a

1:25:37beverage at the beginning of the event.

1:25:41So, I reached out to check with our

1:25:43partners. So, Chief McKenna did a review

1:25:46of every incident since we officially

1:25:48began June 28th, 2024 for within the

1:25:51boundary as well as around the boundary

1:25:53of our social district and identified

1:25:55very few alcohol specific violations.

1:25:58and he said the incident history did not

1:26:00indicate a public safety concern enough

1:26:02that he would recommend against this

1:26:03expansion.

1:26:06I checked with Chuck Smith of public

1:26:08works as well and he said of course

1:26:10there will probably be more garbage and

1:26:12recycling with additional days and hours

1:26:14but they could handle that with a shift

1:26:15in operations, a small shift in

1:26:17operations. And he specifically

1:26:19mentioned that littering had been an

1:26:20issue at times, particularly after large

1:26:22events, but they have had a lot of

1:26:24improved support from event organizers

1:26:26to help with that, keeping the streets

1:26:28and sidewalks clean. I'll say

1:26:30specifically uh an example from DMDC. So

1:26:32last year's Autumn Fest, we had a few um

1:26:36cardboard trash cans alongside of the

1:26:38city's downtown. And I myself was even

1:26:40picking up trash that had overflowed

1:26:42from the side of that. Not all alcohol

1:26:44related. It was also just food and such.

1:26:46Um, but to try to prevent that from

1:26:47being a problem, I just doubled our

1:26:49number of cardboard bins this year and

1:26:50we didn't have um much or any trash on

1:26:53the streets. So, we have tried to do

1:26:55that sort of thing. And then a shout out

1:26:57to recreation and parks. Uh, they were

1:26:59helping us with that event. And at the

1:27:01end of the day, we were sweeping the

1:27:02streets. Sai brought a blower. Again,

1:27:04this was not all alcohol related. It was

1:27:06more corn and straw from our autumnfest

1:27:09event, but we did what we could as an

1:27:10event organizer to make sure it wasn't

1:27:12any additional burden on our public

1:27:14works partners.

1:27:17Then of course support for expansion

1:27:18from our downtown merchants. I sent out

1:27:20a survey. We've also discussed this with

1:27:22them in person at our we have a monthly

1:27:23merchant meeting and nearly 96% were in

1:27:26favor. We had a really strong turnout

1:27:28with our survey as well. 23 responses.

1:27:31So that was a high show of support. And

1:27:34there were a few themes that came up in

1:27:35the data from that survey. Uniformity of

1:27:38hours makes it easy to enforce. And they

1:27:40also think it's easier for folks to

1:27:42abide as well when they have clarity on

1:27:44it. And again, no confusion on when it's

1:27:46offered. Another theme that came up was

1:27:48it's an added bonus, but it's also an

1:27:50added value to bringing people to our

1:27:52downtown. When they have folks visit,

1:27:54whether they are residents or from out

1:27:56of town, they have heard that people

1:27:58enjoy that we have a social district and

1:27:59have seen them witnessed them uh

1:28:01enjoying a beverage in the social

1:28:03district.

1:28:05In addition, there was there was several

1:28:07questions on the survey, so I wanted to

1:28:08highlight that nearly threequarters

1:28:10reported an increase in foot traffic,

1:28:12customer engagement, and a positive

1:28:13impact on their business since the

1:28:15social district began. I also just

1:28:17wanted to name that 96 uh down to 74 is

1:28:20a pretty big gap. However, it wasn't

1:28:23that it was negative. So, the people who

1:28:25reported the majority of those other

1:28:26responders, it was not that they had a

1:28:29negative impact. It was just sort of

1:28:30neutral. So, for example, if you're

1:28:32going to do your taxes or fill out

1:28:34insurance, probably not with a beer in

1:28:37hand, right? So, they were um again, 96%

1:28:40approved this and in fact, 20 of the 23

1:28:43responders said they had no issues

1:28:45whatsoever with it. It just didn't have

1:28:47the direct impact um to the foot traffic

1:28:49or customer engagement. Still, we

1:28:51believe three quarters is a really

1:28:53strong um impact of this as an economic

1:28:56driver. Some themes that came up in the

1:28:58data there as well were folks said it

1:28:59allowed for longer dwell time and adults

1:29:01sipping and strolling using the the

1:29:03district. And then another specific

1:29:05thread I wanted to lift up because

1:29:06obviously our huge events we see um an

1:29:09impact with the social district but a

1:29:11lot of them reference instore events and

1:29:12that they hear from attendees that folks

1:29:14linger often longer and tell others even

1:29:18at these instore events that that is a

1:29:20benefit um and a reason they like to

1:29:21attend the events. They also shared in

1:29:24the survey that they have events outside

1:29:25of our current hours. So on a Monday

1:29:27through a Wednesday that would benefit

1:29:29from having this expansion.

1:29:33Also just wanted to reference uh

1:29:34neighboring districts. So we have other

1:29:37social districts with some of our nearby

1:29:38communities. Elon's is exactly what

1:29:41we're proposing. Monday to Sunday, 10:00

1:29:43a.m. to 10:00 p.m. Burlington's is only

1:29:45Fridays and Saturdays, noon to 10 p.m.

1:29:48But I will say uh I did my homework and

1:29:50I watched all of the city council

1:29:52meetings that y'all had regarding the

1:29:54social district. So you all may recall

1:29:56um when Aaron Nettles presented and

1:29:58spoke to you all back in 2024. She said

1:30:00they started with those two days because

1:30:02those were the event heavy days in

1:30:04Burlington. She also said that they

1:30:06planned and hoped to expand it. Um she

1:30:09is no longer there. So, I spoke with

1:30:11their current director, Maggie, and just

1:30:13was making sure like there was not a

1:30:14problem and that they had stayed it uh

1:30:16just Fridays and Saturdays and she said

1:30:18no that to her knowledge they they've

1:30:20had staff turnover and of course have

1:30:22extensive construction going on and that

1:30:24has been their priority. Um which is why

1:30:26this hasn't been revisited. And then

1:30:28Gibsonvilles is nearly identical to

1:30:30ours. So, Monday to Saturday, 10 to or

1:30:32what we propose, excuse me, 10 to 10

1:30:34Monday to Saturday, and then Sunday is

1:30:36noon to 10 p.m. But all of them, when I

1:30:39spoke to the current downtown directors,

1:30:41have reported enhanced events, um, an

1:30:43economic boost for their businesses,

1:30:45majority business support, and few to no

1:30:47issues. So, very similar to what we've

1:30:49seen here in Meban.

1:30:52So, with that, I appreciate you all

1:30:53considering this request and would be

1:30:55happy to try to answer any questions you

1:30:57might have.

1:31:00just want to say my experience has been

1:31:01that y'all have exceeded it. The the the

1:31:04limited number of issues is is well

1:31:09under what I was even remotely expecting

1:31:11and I'm a strong supporter. So just

1:31:13thank you for everything.

1:31:14>> Thank you.

1:31:14>> Yeah. And I was an advocate of that

1:31:16one-year trial period because I just

1:31:18wasn't sure how this was going to work

1:31:19out. But every indication that I've

1:31:21seen, this is this has been positive and

1:31:23I appreciate the carefulness in which

1:31:25you and DMDC and the business owners

1:31:28have made this work.

1:31:29>> Thank you.

1:31:30>> I I appreciate the presentation. You

1:31:33answered most of the questions I had.

1:31:34Very well done.

1:31:35>> Thank you.

1:31:37>> All right. It is a public hearing.

1:31:39Anybody

1:31:41would like to speak that's not on the

1:31:44board.

1:31:48My name is Payton Rice and I am here on

1:31:51behalf of Hen Feathers. Oh, 120 West

1:31:54Clay Street downtown Evan.

1:31:56>> I'm here as Hen Feathers at the Elegant

1:31:58Relic, not as the MTC on the board. Um,

1:32:02I'm not going to beat a dead horse

1:32:03because Sarah covered all of it. We've

1:32:04been very extensive. Um, I kind of

1:32:08helped get on this at the pilot program.

1:32:09We've had meetings for years to get it

1:32:11to this point. Um, I do help plan a lot

1:32:14of the events downtown. And one of the

1:32:17things a few years ago that we all sat

1:32:18down is an event that works for a

1:32:21boutique may not work for a restaurant

1:32:23or may not work for a kids toy store or

1:32:26a bookstore or a bar. Um, so one of the

1:32:29things I feel like years ago where it

1:32:31was a hold up of how do how does Wendy

1:32:34at the Clay Street Tavern and Payton at

1:32:35the Elegant Relic plan an event that is

1:32:38able to benefit both of our businesses.

1:32:40the social district has been something

1:32:41that's really helped bring all of us

1:32:43together to plan those things and help

1:32:45create something that's good for one is

1:32:48good for all. Um, so that's all I wanted

1:32:50to add to it.

1:32:51>> Thank you so much. Anybody else?

1:32:58>> I move we

1:32:59>> not coming up.

1:33:03>> Okay.

1:33:05>> All right. Nobody else wants to come up.

1:33:07We will um I need a motion. Motion to

1:33:10close.

1:33:10>> Second.

1:33:11>> Got a motion and a second to close the

1:33:13public hearing. Any further discussion?

1:33:15If not, all those in favor say I.

1:33:17>> I. It's the pleasure of the council. I

1:33:19>> move that the city adopt the social

1:33:21district expansion as presented to

1:33:22expand the social district to seven days

1:33:24a week, 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. Effective

1:33:26upon adoption.

1:33:28>> Second.

1:33:28>> That sounds like a radio voice.

1:33:30>> I got a face for radio.

1:33:31>> We got a motion and a second.

1:33:34>> Any further discussion? If not, all

1:33:36those in favor say I. I.

1:33:38>> Any opposed?

1:33:40Motion carries. Thank you, Sarah, and

1:33:42your

1:33:44friends. Thank you. Well done.

1:33:46>> All right, that concludes public

1:33:48hearings. Moving to the uh downtown

1:33:50exterior improvement grant award. Uh

1:33:53Miss Obe,

1:33:59>> we have received an application for a

1:34:01downtown exterior improvements grant.

1:34:03Um, this is using funds allocated in the

1:34:06current fiscal year's budget and the

1:34:09applicant has provided two quotes. It is

1:34:11the property owner and all of the

1:34:13improvements appear to be occurring on

1:34:16the building. The property is on West

1:34:18Clay Street and within the area

1:34:20identified in the downtown vision plan

1:34:22and the request is for just over $9,000.

1:34:26It is for facade improvements to the

1:34:29property at 105 West Clay Street. And

1:34:32these facade improvements include

1:34:34improvements to the windows, masonry,

1:34:36and exterior lighting.

1:34:40>> Any questions?

1:34:41>> Is that the old barber shop?

1:34:42>> Yep.

1:34:43>> Yes.

1:34:44>> Great. What's the cozy skiing?

1:34:48>> Um, it's a knitting store.

1:34:50>> Okay, great.

1:34:52I

1:34:54just want to say how excited I am. This

1:34:57building has been sitting empty and I

1:34:59know that the neighboring um businesses

1:35:02have had some concerns about the

1:35:05condition of the building. So, this is

1:35:08in my opinion just an excellent use of

1:35:11our exterior grant program. So, thank

1:35:13you Ashley for bringing this to us.

1:35:16>> Right. We actually participated in a

1:35:18couple site visits um hoping that they

1:35:21would somebody would come. So, somebody

1:35:23came. All right. What's the pleasure of

1:35:25the council?

1:35:27>> Move we approve the request.

1:35:31>> Second.

1:35:32>> We got a um motion and a second. Any

1:35:35further discussion? If not, all those in

1:35:37favor say I.

1:35:38>> I.

1:35:39>> Any opposed? Motion carries.

1:35:43All right. If nothing no other business,

1:35:45I'm sorry. Number seven,

1:35:48release and reimbursement of Wilson Road

1:35:50extension fund. Honorable Lawson Brown.

1:35:54>> Thank you, Mayor, members of the

1:35:55council. U as you discussed earlier, the

1:36:00extension of Wilson Road across the

1:36:02Roger Shields property. Uh Seven Brew

1:36:05and Mr. Shields are extending that road.

1:36:09Uh the attorney for Mr. Shields uh Frank

1:36:13Longest requested uh the council's

1:36:16consideration of release of that money

1:36:19uh consistent with action that you took

1:36:22uh uh several years ago, August the 5th

1:36:25of 24

1:36:27when Mr. Mark Tiller of Henden Tiller

1:36:30LLC uh was uh developing the uh tractor

1:36:36supply and u the minutes from that and

1:36:40the approvals from that and the bond

1:36:42that was placed uh the city has received

1:36:45the $200,000 it was paid for the express

1:36:50purpose of extending Wilson Road and Mr.

1:36:55Tiller made that commitment and talking

1:36:58with Mr. Duggins last week, he talked

1:37:01with Mr. Tiller and Mr. Tiller

1:37:03understood that this money would be used

1:37:04for the extension of the uh Wilson uh

1:37:10drive and uh was in agreement with that.

1:37:14And so because it was a condition of an

1:37:17earlier zoning, the staff and management

1:37:20felt that it was appropriate to bring it

1:37:22before you. uh the concerns that staff

1:37:25and management have is to make sure that

1:37:28one that the rightway is actually

1:37:31dedicated and u I'm suggesting in the

1:37:34suggested motion that I gave you or

1:37:36recommending in the suggested motion

1:37:38that it be the condition that the

1:37:41rightway be dedicated and the street

1:37:43built and it would be a reimbursement to

1:37:46the developer uh either seven brew or

1:37:50Mr. shields uh after uh the expense was

1:37:55incurred. Uh and I'm happy to answer any

1:37:58questions. Mr. Duggin is here and can

1:38:01answer questions as well if you have any

1:38:03for him. But uh uh all is well. It ends

1:38:06well and hopefully this will be the end

1:38:10of the northern extension of Wilson

1:38:13Drive.

1:38:16your the motion uh suggested motion we

1:38:18have uh my cons I had some concerns with

1:38:21that because it didn't appear to require

1:38:24that the road be built only that the

1:38:27land be dedicated for the use

1:38:30>> I'm I'm comfortable with your uh

1:38:34savvy suggestion that it be a

1:38:36reimbursement for the construction as

1:38:38well as the dedication

1:38:41>> that takes care of my concern

1:38:44>> agreed

1:38:44>> thank Does reimbursement imply that it

1:38:46that it won't be paid until the work is

1:38:49complete or until that money is spent or

1:38:51how are we

1:38:52>> until the work is completed and the

1:38:54roads dedicated?

1:38:55>> Okay. All right. And then there was a

1:38:57question about um the original

1:39:02um agreement with Henden Tiller and the

1:39:05background statement here says that uh

1:39:09if the develop if the developer did not

1:39:12use the funds for that purpose which

1:39:15kind of implied the developer Henden

1:39:17Tiller but are we saying that the

1:39:20original plan was if a developer does

1:39:23not use the funds for that purpose? uh

1:39:25the language in those had some concern.

1:39:28That's why I reached out to uh Mr.

1:39:32Duggins on behalf of Henden Tiller and

1:39:35Henden Tiller has authorized

1:39:38uh uh has said that they consent to this

1:39:41money. They've paid the 200,000. they

1:39:44understand that it was going to be uh

1:39:47used for the road and that after the

1:39:49five years from the 24 date that you

1:39:51approved it, it was going to revert to

1:39:53the city for any use. So uh I think

1:39:57consistent with the uh objective of it

1:40:00being used to construct the road. That's

1:40:04what we're suggesting here.

1:40:08>> And releasing it to a property owner

1:40:10just strikes me as a little odd. Can you

1:40:12come I mean

1:40:15>> uh it it is it is released to a uh it

1:40:20was a condition of a zoning. So it's not

1:40:22a private emolment. It was for a public

1:40:25purpose i.e. the extension of Wilson

1:40:28Road. So yes I I I don't have any

1:40:32concerns about it being a private

1:40:34emolement.

1:40:35>> Couple more questions. There's no issues

1:40:37with the or statement right there that

1:40:39we might be involved in a legal quagmire

1:40:41here.

1:40:42>> I don't think so.

1:40:43>> Okay. And since these were public funds,

1:40:45we don't need to go through any normal

1:40:48uh routes in regards to uh putting this

1:40:51out for bid or anything along that line?

1:40:52>> No, sir.

1:40:53>> Okay.

1:40:57>> I see Frank Long is represent uh who's

1:41:01representing Shields. Uh how's he doing?

1:41:05uh seems to be doing really well. He's

1:41:09continuing to work uh well past his 50th

1:41:12year of practicing law.

1:41:14>> Yeah.

1:41:15>> And he doesn't Never mind. Um all right.

1:41:18What's the pleasure of the council?

1:41:19>> Well, my my understanding from the

1:41:21get-go was that the $200,000 was to

1:41:24ensure in the future the road was built

1:41:27and if it was not built within five

1:41:29years, it would go into the city coffers

1:41:32in case the city ever had to build the

1:41:34road. So, I don't have any I don't have

1:41:36any problem with the $200,000 being

1:41:40allocated for the securing of the land

1:41:43or and the completion of the road, but I

1:41:47don't think it should be paid until the

1:41:50road is complete. So, I would I would

1:41:52make the motion that the city reimburse

1:41:54Roger Shields or his develop developer

1:41:57to $200,000 being held for the extension

1:41:59of Wilson Road having been paid to the

1:42:01city by Henden Teller 3.0 O LLC for the

1:42:05limited purpose of the extension of

1:42:06Wilson Road with the city manager

1:42:09finance officer directed and authorized

1:42:11to assure the funds are used for this

1:42:12limit limited p purpose conditions to

1:42:16the release of the $200,000 are the

1:42:20conveyance of the necessary land. The

1:42:22deeding of the land is that the proper

1:42:24term

1:42:26>> that would be appropriate. dating of the

1:42:28land uh and the completion of the uh

1:42:32building of the road

1:42:35of of Wilson Road by Ro Shields and

1:42:37satisfactory proof of payment. Is that

1:42:41cover everything?

1:42:42>> Excellent.

1:42:43>> All right, we have a motion. Is there a

1:42:45second?

1:42:45>> Second.

1:42:46>> You want to speak?

1:42:47>> Uh I was just going to add, Mr. Mayor,

1:42:49if you and council and the city attorney

1:42:51would allow uh Henden Tiller's um

1:42:55attorney will come forward on the record

1:42:57and state that he is in concurrence with

1:43:00what our city attorney said, just to

1:43:02have that on the record.

1:43:03>> Again, Nathan Duggin here on behalf of

1:43:06uh really the land owner tonight. Um and

1:43:09being perfectly frank, um

1:43:13we're here tonight for the reasoning.

1:43:15I've had conversations with Lawson about

1:43:18this. Um,

1:43:21Mr. Bradley's concerns about releasing

1:43:23the money. I had the same questions. It

1:43:25it it in the if you look at the letter,

1:43:27it's it looks like it's released to the

1:43:29developer, right, who was who put the

1:43:31money in. Um, but it's exclusively

1:43:35for the purpose of doing the extension

1:43:38of Wilson Road. Um, and look, y'all can

1:43:42read it. Says if if it doesn't get

1:43:44built, Bebon can use it for some other

1:43:46purpose at the end of five years. So, I

1:43:48can represent that. I've talked to Mark

1:43:50Teller about this. He knows this hearing

1:43:52is tonight. He knows

1:43:55we've got I think Lawson, you sent me

1:43:57the letter from Mr. Shield's attorney

1:43:59that that we got like last week. Yes.

1:44:02So, so everything Lawson said is

1:44:04accurate and we're again excited about

1:44:07cooperating with the city of Mean to get

1:44:09this thing done.

1:44:09>> Well, there is another parcel of land

1:44:13um on on that in that area that I think

1:44:16I don't know if Tiller owns it or not,

1:44:18but um

1:44:18>> Thank you, mayor. Yeah,

1:44:19>> it behooves him to

1:44:21>> he he get it out of the way and and do

1:44:24it.

1:44:24>> I think it's about 1.4 acres.

1:44:26>> Yeah,

1:44:27>> that's to the south of the Chick-fil-A

1:44:29employee parking lot,

1:44:30>> right? um that will benefit from right

1:44:33>> the further extension items. So

1:44:35>> all right we have a motion and a second.

1:44:37We have the conditions the agreement.

1:44:40>> I would just say in uh in uh support of

1:44:44the motion that originally

1:44:47uh Tiller was going to build the road

1:44:49and couldn't. That's why the $200,000

1:44:51was there. So it's not like we're taking

1:44:53money away from him that just because we

1:44:58could. this money was established

1:44:59because he couldn't build the road

1:45:01initially as he promised and it came

1:45:03back and he committed $200,000. That's

1:45:06just that's not in the motion. That's

1:45:08just in support of the motion. But

1:45:10again, I'm not comfortable with the

1:45:12money being released till the road's

1:45:14done and deeded.

1:45:15>> Might actually be a savings to them.

1:45:17>> Oh yeah.

1:45:18>> In the long run. So anyway, we have a

1:45:20motion and a second. Any further

1:45:22discussion? If not, all those in favor

1:45:24say I.

1:45:25>> Any opposed?

1:45:26>> Motion carries. Thank you.

1:45:29>> Mayor, I have one additional item if I

1:45:32might of uh would like action uh for you

1:45:36all to take in the depositions of the uh

1:45:40experts in the Graham versus Meban or

1:45:42Mebban versus Graham case last week.

1:45:45opposing council indicated that the city

1:45:48of Graham had uh designated their mayor

1:45:53and their mayor pro Tim to represent

1:45:57them at the upcoming mediation in

1:45:59November. And I wanted to share that

1:46:03with y'all. And our recommendation, both

1:46:06Mr. Norris and my recommendation is that

1:46:09the city of Meban do the same thing. Uh

1:46:12but y'all had voted earlier to allow the

1:46:14mayor to be the representative at that

1:46:17uh mediation. So I would like y'all to

1:46:20uh consider a motion by the terms of

1:46:23which the mayor and mayor pro Tim of the

1:46:26city of Meban would be uh present at

1:46:30that mediation.

1:46:33>> I make such a motion that the mayor and

1:46:35the mayor prom be present at that

1:46:38>> mediation. We have a motion and a

1:46:40second. Any further discussion? If not,

1:46:42all those in favor say I.

1:46:44>> I. Opposed. Motion carries. Want to uh

1:46:48point out the the fantastic upcoming

1:46:50Meban special events. It's getting close

1:46:52to to snow. Uh to snow. Yeah. Um we got

1:46:56Halloween coming up. Uh letters to

1:46:59Santa, Santa's arrival, snowing in

1:47:01Meban. Uh that's one thing I can say. I

1:47:04can guarantee you it's going to snow

1:47:06that day better than any forecast. uh

1:47:09and the 11th and uh the reindeer run um

1:47:13which I will not be participating on.

1:47:16You know, would you like to sing it?

1:47:18>> Hey, I'll happily take course

1:47:20volunteers,

1:47:21>> sir.

1:47:21>> For the reindeer run.

1:47:23>> Well, I was a judge one year. They

1:47:24didn't ask me back. I don't know why

1:47:27been hurt. Um and then we have last

1:47:29chance snowing. I mean, it like I've

1:47:31said a million times, if you're bored in

1:47:33Melvin, just go downtown. There's so

1:47:35much stuff going on. and um Sarah Cly is

1:47:40certainly doing a great job. So, uh

1:47:42anything else going come before the

1:47:43council.

1:47:44>> Vote, vote, vote. Early voting.

1:47:45>> That's right. Please vote. Um we do have

1:47:48a candidate that we know, but um for the

1:47:52county commissioners, I don't think I

1:47:54can say anything else legally, but uh

1:47:56anyway, if nothing else, this meeting is

1:47:59adjourned.