2026-09-08 - City Council

00:10All right. Good evening. Welcome

00:11everybody to our August, no September

00:168th. I missed August, so it's kind of

00:18like got to make up September 8th

00:21council meeting. And want to welcome

00:23everybody. Uh we got a great agenda

00:25tonight, but we always like to have an

00:27invocation before. We're honored tonight

00:29to have Pastor Sammy Ballard, our First

00:32Baptist Church here in Meban.

00:35>> Thank you, Mayor Hooks, and uh to all of

00:38our council members. Thank you for your

00:39service. I really appreciate it. May we

00:41go to uh may we go and bow in prayer.

00:44Father God, we just are so thankful for

00:46this town that we live in. Thank you for

00:48continuing to bless us. You've given us

00:50a great summer. as we move into the

00:52fall, may we continue to make good

00:54decisions for this town, things that

00:56will glorify you, things that will honor

00:58the people that are here. And Father, we

01:00just um and all the things that go on

01:02around us. There's so many activities

01:03that's fixing to come up, some that are

01:06going to be presented even tonight. I

01:07ask that you would bless all of those

01:08activities that you would continue to

01:10watch over us, that you would guide us

01:12and protect us. Father, we ask too that

01:14you would keep our first responders

01:17safe. That you would continue to make

01:19this place a safe place, a place where

01:22we can raise our children, that we can

01:24be joyful, we can be happy, we can meet

01:26in the streets and say hey to each

01:28other, that we can just uh follow in

01:31that example of Jesus to love our

01:32neighbors right here and beyond. Father,

01:36tonight I just ask that you would be

01:37here in this meeting, that you would

01:39preside over it, and that we would hear

01:41you. We pray all of this in the name of

01:44Jesus Christ, our savior. Amen.

01:46>> Amen. Thank you, Sam.

01:48>> All right, the next two items I've asked

01:50Mayor Pro Tim Bradley to handle, and

01:53I'll turn it over to Tim.

01:55>> Thanks, Mayor. [clears throat]

01:57Uh, contrary to popular understanding,

01:59the uh our constitution was not written

02:02till about 11 years after the signing of

02:04the Declaration of Independence in 1787,

02:07I believe. uh 42 representatives from 12

02:12states Rhode Island didn't participate

02:13gathered in uh Philadelphia to try and

02:16hammer out a a constitution, excuse me,

02:20[snorts] uh handle out a constitution uh

02:23to con try to build a government

02:26structure for our country. There were

02:28several issues, states rights, uh

02:30slavery, westward expansion, uh liberty,

02:34personal rights, uh and many other

02:36issues were addressed. And although the

02:39expected constitution was was only

02:41expected to be a temporary document, it

02:43has stood the test of time with

02:45amendments. uh in order to find a

02:48document that uh the nine states

02:50necessary to adopt it uh would agree to

02:55uh it didn't contain everything

02:56everything everybody wanted. Uh some got

02:59what they wanted some didn't but it but

03:01it did pass. Ben Franklin made the

03:03famous statement uh when he rose before

03:05the assembly and incidentally he was

03:07probably the oldest delegate there. Um

03:10if you read his his biog autobiography

03:12it's it says it in it. He rises and

03:15says, "I consent to the constitution

03:18uh because I expect no better and I am

03:21sure it is not the best." But he agreed

03:24that uh it should be passed. Uh Paul

03:27Rivere, one of the legendary

03:28revolutionaries, was opposed to it

03:30initially why Alexander Hamilton and

03:33George Washington supported it. But it

03:35was an example of compromise uh that

03:37built this country. And you know with

03:39the amendments of the bill of rights and

03:41some constitutional amendments since I

03:43think we're up in the 20s it has uh

03:46become what's known as uh one of the

03:49best documents of governments in the

03:51world today and it's using an example

03:53but we have an opportunity this week uh

03:55at this meeting to a pass proclamation

03:58that the mayor has developed and uh that

04:01proclamation establishes constitutional

04:02week. So, I'm going to and I actually

04:04this was brought forward to us from the

04:07I hope I say this right, the General

04:08Davyy uh chapter of the Daughters of the

04:11American Revolution. Uh and and they are

04:14sponsoring something called Bells Across

04:16America, which I'll touch base on in in

04:19just a minute after I read the

04:20proclamation. So, if representatives

04:22from the D chapter will come up, please.

04:26[clears throat]

04:44So uh this is the proclamation for

04:48constitution week. Ring the bells

04:50September [snorts]

04:5117th through the 23rd. Whereas September

04:5417, 2026 marks the 239th anniversary of

04:58the signing of the Constitution in the

05:00United States, which occurred on

05:02September 17, 1787 in Philadelphia,

05:05Pennsylvania. And whereas the

05:07Constitution established the framework

05:09for our government and remains the

05:11foundation of our system of law,

05:13protecting the rights and liberties of

05:15the people of the United States. And

05:16whereas in 1955, the National Society of

05:20Daughters of the American Revolution

05:22petitioned Congress to set aside

05:23September 17th through the 23rd annually

05:27as Constitution Week. And in 1956,

05:30Congress established this observance and

05:32President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed

05:34the resolution into law. And whereas

05:37uh constitution week provided an

05:40opportunity for citizens to reflect upon

05:42the principles of our constitution,

05:44learn about the rights and

05:45responsibilities of citizenship and

05:48recognize the enduring importance of

05:49this foundational document. And whereas

05:52ring the bells and bells across America,

05:55invite communities throughout the nation

05:56to ring the bells in celebration of

05:58Constitution and the freedoms and li

06:00liberties it represents. recalling the

06:03historic moment when the Constitution

06:04was signed and made known to the

06:06American people and where the city of

06:09Meban encourages its residents

06:11participate in Constitution Week by

06:13learning about our nation's history and

06:16constitutional principles and by joining

06:18communities across the country in

06:20recognizing this important anniversary.

06:23Therefore, I reading for Ed Hook, mayor

06:25of Meban, North Carolina, do d do hereby

06:28proclaim September 17th through the

06:3023rd,

06:322026 is Constitution Week in the city of

06:35Mean encourage all residents to

06:37recognize this important observance and

06:40where possible participate in ring the

06:42bells in celebration of the United

06:44States Constitution and a freedom it

06:46[clears throat] protects.

06:48In witness thereof, he has hereto

06:50assigned his hand by and called the city

06:54seal of the city of Meban to be affixed

06:56this 8th day of September 2026.

06:59Now on uh September 17th, which is a

07:03Thursday at 4:00, the three our three

07:06downtown churches have agreed to read

07:07the bells at 4:00. These ladies will be

07:11out in front. In fact, there's a bell in

07:13the little park here just right be a

07:16perfect place. They'll be in front of

07:17city hall with handbells to ring as

07:20well. We invite all of you to se to

07:23celebrate that with them and the city of

07:25Mean. And also remember to spread the

07:29spread information about the

07:30constitution. I think a lot of people

07:32hold it up, but I'm not sure as many

07:34people have read it. It's a great

07:35document to do. So I'll let Andre

07:38introduce her representatives.

07:40>> This is Marcy Horn. She's the region for

07:42the general baby chapter. And then other

07:45members on the executive committee, we

07:47have Bobby Dudley and Laura J. L. And we

07:52are just honored to be here. We really

07:54thank the community.

07:56Marcy has a few words she'd like to say.

08:03Well, I'd just like to say on behalf of

08:04the Daughters of the American Revolution

08:06and the General Navy chapter, we are

08:09honored to accept this proclamation

08:11recognizing Constitution.

08:14The Daughters of the American Revolution

08:16have long been committed to historic

08:18preservation, education, and patriotic

08:21service. Constitution Week is a

08:24meaningful opportunity to d to to

08:26reflect on the enduring importance of

08:29the United States Constitution and the

08:32freedoms, rights, and responsibilities

08:35it secures for all citizens. We would

08:38like to sincerely thank you, Mayor Hooks

08:42>> and Tim. And I understand Tim is the one

08:45that

08:47helped us. Thank you. um and the Meban

08:51City Council for issuing this

08:53proclamation and for their support in

08:55encouraging

08:57uh civic awareness and appreciation for

08:59our nation's constitutional heritage.

09:02May this observation inspire each of us

09:04to study, honor, and uphold the

09:07Constitution, not only during the

09:09Constitution week, but throughout the

09:12year.

09:13>> Thank you.

09:13>> And this is this is Green Dreamway. She

09:15did introduce herself. Well, I'll

09:17introduce and [laughter] she's in our

09:18Sunday school perhaps

09:21about this. I thought it was a great

09:22idea. But thank all of you so much for

09:24the work your chapter does in promoting

09:26the Constitution and other issues

09:27regarding the revolution. We're so

09:29thankful to have you here and

09:35[applause]

09:38Stay

09:49right now.

09:52>> Think I have the next item on the agenda

09:54as well. I'm gonna ask Carl Martin, one

09:57of our building inspectors, if he'll

09:58come forward. Terry, you gonna come with

10:00him? I'm gonna recognize anyway. You may

10:03come with [laughter]

10:05[snorts] Carl. You know, it's always

10:09It's always a pleasure and gratifying uh

10:12to recognize members of our community

10:14and particularly members of our staff

10:17who are recognized for their

10:19professionalism uh and accomplishments.

10:22Uh Carl uh I guess grew up in this area.

10:26Uh I know his family's had business

10:28here. I've known Carl for decades. Uh

10:32and Carl went to work for the office

10:34North Carolina state fire marshal in

10:35late late 90s I guess.

10:382001

10:38>> 2001 I was close uh as a code consultant

10:42the North Carolina State Fire Marshall's

10:44office within with then within the

10:46department of insurance oversees the

10:48code all volumes of it everything from

10:50fire mechanical plumbing heating and air

10:53and of course building u they oversee

10:55all all volumes of it. So Carl became a

10:58code professional. Not only that but he

11:00worked his way up to one of the uh lead

11:04code enforcement officials. Then after

11:0618 years of service, he actually became

11:09deputy commissioner, chief of the

11:12building and code department within the

11:14office of state fire marshal, which

11:15meant um kind of the buck stopped with

11:18him as far as the answering code

11:20question. Cliff will tell you and uh he

11:23was staffed to the North Carolina

11:25building uh code council which is the

11:28official organization for appointed by

11:30government officials at the legislature

11:31and the government to oversee the North

11:33Carolina series of codes. Uh now retired

11:40Carl is one of our inspectors. So what I

11:42like to tell people is we've got the

11:45horse's mouth here

11:47question answer. [laughter] People still

11:49call Carl because for years what they do

11:53Cliff when someone had a code question

11:56but Carl was recognized [laughter]

12:00not just internally but from across

12:02state in 2020 Carl was recognized as

12:05with by the Edison Hubert Johnson

12:07building inspector of the year award

12:09which is one of their the North Carolina

12:11Building Inspectors Association's

12:13largest award. And just a little bit of

12:16history on North Carolina building

12:17inspectorate. We've been around about 70

12:1968 70 years. It's it's the collection of

12:22code officials. If you think of all the

12:24code officials, that's fire inspectors,

12:26building inspectors, fun inspectors all

12:27across the state or tip and the

12:29organizations, the planners and many

12:32commercial people who develop are all

12:34members of this organization and

12:36[clears throat] their primary passion,

12:38their primary purpose is the

12:40establishment of codes and the proper

12:42inspection to ensure sh safe safe

12:44buildings to keep our our communities

12:47safe and give them a safe place to live

12:49and work in. Well, this year 2026, as

12:51you see on the screen, uh Carl was

12:54presented the North North Carolina

12:55Building Inspectors Association's

12:57Distinguished Service Award. They only

13:00do that once a year. Uh and they haven't

13:02done it every year. One of the highest

13:04honors a building official uh in North

13:08Carolina can receive. So, Carl, thank

13:10you for your service uh to the state. Uh

13:12I know I worked with you several years

13:14there as well and uh he's always been

13:17one of those guys that when you asked

13:18him to do something he did it and we're

13:20really proud and glad to have you on our

13:23staff here in Memphis even part time.

13:26[applause]

13:34>> All right, let's move on to our public

13:37comments. We have one signed up and it's

13:40Chris Monty. uh with Alamance County

13:43Rescue. Chris will come up. Did I say

13:45that right? Yes, sir.

13:46>> Okay, good. Thank you.

13:48>> Booty, sometimes

13:50correct.

13:52>> I was just going to say Chris come up,

13:54but I saw that.

13:55>> Fair enough. Uh my name is Chris Money,

13:57chief with Alamance County Rescue. I

13:59appreciate council members letting me uh

14:02come and speak tonight. Um I'm here to

14:04talk on behalf of kind of explain what

14:07rescue is and kind of what our plan is

14:09moving forward. So, if you're not aware,

14:11Alamance County Rescue is a volunteer

14:12agency that's been around since 1956.

14:16Um, we provided rescue and EMS services

14:18before there was a county EMS agency.

14:20Um, we were all volunteer. Um, started

14:23uh with about four or five members back

14:25in 1956 and we've grown to over 70

14:27members now, all volunteer. Um, we're a

14:30501c3.

14:32Um we fund raise for our money that we

14:35operate off of and the county uh

14:37provides us a little over $100,000 a

14:40year for operating budget. Um as times

14:42grow um calls uh are more frequent uh

14:47the ever growing need for cost and and

14:50revenue for um sustaining our operations

14:54and what we provide the county um

14:56becomes more critical. So um basically

15:00what we provide uh we provide any

15:02technical rescue. So um vehicle

15:05extrication, heavy machinery extrication

15:07uh we have a swiftwater team, a dive

15:09rescue team, the only one in the county.

15:11Um we provide trench rescue. our our

15:14latest apparatus that we have, rescue

15:16one, is equipped with uh all the stuff

15:18we need for trench rescues, trench

15:19shoring panels if you're familiar, uh

15:21confined space rescue, high angle search

15:24and high angle rescue and search and

15:26rescue um whether it be ground or by

15:29water with our K9 teams. So we have

15:31search and rescue dogs by water and by

15:34land. Um so these are these are services

15:36that we provide and a lot of them were

15:38the sole provider in the county of these

15:40services. Um we went down this road uh

15:44with the county commissioners um

15:47recently in the past year. Um if you

15:49paid attention to the county budget last

15:50year um with a new county manager uh

15:53that was proposed to cut our funding

15:55last year. Uh of course we fought tooth

15:58and nail to make sure that didn't happen

16:00and I I feel like a lot of that was

16:02because of lack of knowledge of who we

16:04were. Um and then Chantel happened in

16:07the county and we ran over 67 calls of

16:10service active water rescues in Alamance

16:12County and that to me went to prove our

16:16worth and our need in this county. Um so

16:20in talking with the commissioners for a

16:22more stable funding um because as you

16:24know uh administrations, commissioners,

16:27county managers change uh and then we're

16:30back at square one. Um, so we've we've

16:32looked at some legalities of it. Um, and

16:34there is a way to go and have a service

16:36district for dedicated to rescue. Uh,

16:40and our goal is to after talking with

16:42the commissioners, they want us to get

16:44all the municipalities on board of

16:46supporting a resolution to go forward

16:49with a tax district. Um, and basically

16:51what that looks like is what we would be

16:53asking for since our service district

16:55would be the entire county

16:58would be a quarter of a penny. So

17:01basically your median household income,

17:04it would cost the $300,000 household

17:06$7.50 a year to provide us with the

17:09funding we need to be sustainable and to

17:12have funding that we're not having to

17:13fight for every year. Um, and I have a

17:16resolution with me as a sample if you

17:17want to see it. I've got it and I will

17:19share it.

17:20>> We've got it. Yeah.

17:21>> Okay. So, basically we're we're just

17:22asking the the council to consider um

17:25signing this. We've already got a few

17:26other municipalities already. Altahal

17:29and we have the village of Alamance and

17:31my president of my board is at Graham

17:34tonight um in Burlington is next week.

17:36So, we're trying to get everybody on

17:37board to get it signed so when we go to

17:39the commissioners and they just if they

17:40decide to do that, we have y'all's

17:42backing.

17:43>> Thank you, [clears throat] sir.

17:44Appreciate what you do and what your

17:45organization does. fantastic job and

17:49great service.

17:50>> Thanks, sir.

17:50>> Thank you.

17:50>> Thank you, Chief. Mr. Mayor, I would be

17:52supportive if we move forward.

17:56>> All right. Moving on to consent agenda.

17:58Um, approval of minutes from August 3rd,

18:01voluntary contiguous annexation

18:03petition, Tupelo North carry forward

18:06budget ordinance amendment FY26 to FY27

18:10and then MOA U North Carolina Wildlife

18:14Resource Commission and cities of Graham

18:16Meban for fishing pier improvements. Is

18:19there any discussion on any of these

18:21items?

18:23>> Make a motion approve the consent

18:25agenda.

18:25>> Second.

18:26>> Make a motion and we have a second. Any

18:27further discussion? If not, all those in

18:30favor say I.

18:31>> I.

18:32>> Any opposed? Motion carries. All right,

18:35we're moving on to a public hearing.

18:37Financing, public works, equipment shed,

18:39and related site improvements. Dapany

18:42Schwarz Schwarz, excuse me, and France

18:46Hull.

18:49I should have said France Holt and D.

18:51>> Well, that's okay. [laughter] I think I

18:54got I think I got the first part. There

18:56you go.

18:57>> Yes. Good good evening, mayor and city

18:59council members. Uh we're happy to bring

19:02this item before you

19:04uh related to the equipment storage shed

19:07and how it's we're proposing it's

19:09financed.

19:12If you recall the um equipment shed

19:15storage shed is in the uh CIP or in this

19:19year's budget actually. And um the

19:22purpose of that is to store equipment. I

19:25think Kyle and and uh Chuck had been

19:28working on a list of what equipment

19:30would be in the building. Uh it's a

19:3216,000 square foot building. Uh it's

19:36pre-engineered metal with eight

19:38drivethruss with open bays and then the

19:41ends will be closed. Uh it will be lit.

19:44It will have a reinforced uh concrete

19:47floor and uh the roof will be pitched

19:50with uh gutters and downspouts that will

19:52turn out on grade.

19:55Uh this shows the relationship to the

19:58shed where you see the one to the site.

20:01Uh the site will be graded so that it it

20:04drains off to a perimeter ditch that's

20:06on already on site goes to a sediment

20:09basin that was installed associated with

20:12the the work that uh Crowder is doing at

20:15the WARF expansion

20:17plant. Um we do have some piping that

20:21picks up other buildings that'll take it

20:23to the sediment trap. Uh when all is

20:26said and done and it's graded, uh we'll

20:29be putting six inches of compacted stone

20:32over geoc cloth and then have a a lay

20:35down and potential staging area for

20:38FEMA.

20:43This is a summary of the cost. The

20:45construction would be with Crowder. Uh

20:49they did include a owner's allowance of

20:51$100,000. If that's not used, it'll be

20:53returned to the city. Uh the engineering

20:56is being done by McGill Associates,

20:58Engineering Associates.

21:00Um they are under they have done some

21:02preliminary design already which we've

21:04been reviewing. Uh there's a debt

21:06issuance associated with the funding and

21:10the total project cost being at 1.765

21:15981.

21:19I'll let Daffa go over the uh financing

21:21bids.

21:25>> Okay. Good evening.

21:26>> Good evening.

21:27>> Um so

21:29you you have the financing bids um

21:31before you. Uh Truist there two banks

21:33that responded. Um I sent it out to um

21:38let's see

21:41multiple banks 13 banks I sent it out to

21:44and to responded um Truis provided um

21:48two options and then Webster Bank

21:51provided one option.

21:54So, the truest bank options

21:56um one does not have a prepayment

22:00penalty uh but is a higher interest rate

22:02and then the other um does have

22:05prepayment penalties uh for the first

22:08five years but has a lower interest

22:10rate. The city does not uh plan to

22:13refinance um or pay the loan off at any

22:16time during the first five years. And so

22:19the recommendation is to go with the

22:224.547%

22:25interest rate over 15 years. Um which

22:28that's the lowest interest rate that we

22:29received.

22:30>> But we can pay it off 6 through uh 15

22:36>> with no penalty. Yes. Years 6 through 15

22:38with no penalty. All right.

22:39>> May I ask, and I know this is not our

22:41our top contender, but um where it says

22:44no call, does that just mean that even

22:46if we wanted to pay it off early, we

22:48wouldn't be able to pay it off?

22:49>> Correct.

22:49>> Okay.

22:50>> Yes.

22:52>> Can you comment just observations on

22:55sending out 13 inquiries and only

22:57getting two replies? What What do we

22:58make of that?

23:01>> Um well, we had another financing, which

23:03I'm going to talk about next, that was

23:05going out. um and the times were close

23:09or overlapped and I think possibly some

23:12did not want to bid on both. Um they may

23:15not have had the bandwidth internally to

23:18bid on both. Um some banks prefer to bid

23:22on uh vehicles. Uh some don't want to

23:25bid on vehicles. There's no real

23:28>> okay

23:29>> those are just that's just speculation.

23:31But yeah,

23:32>> it's not we it's not a trend that we

23:35need to worry about in terms of having a

23:37hard time getting banks to bid on our

23:39projects.

23:39>> No. Okay.

23:40>> No.

23:43>> Any other questions?

23:46>> Well, it is a public hearing. Anybody in

23:48the public like to speak?

23:53>> All right. I need a motion to close

23:56public hearing.

23:57>> So move.

23:58>> Got a motion.

23:59>> Second.

23:59>> Second. Any further discussion? If not,

24:02all those in favor say I.

24:04>> I. Any opposed? Motion carries. What's

24:07the pleasure of the council?

24:10>> I make a motion that the council adopts

24:12and authorizes the following items.

24:14Adopts capital project ordinance in the

24:16amount of 1.576

24:18uh million to fund the public works

24:21equipment storage shed. Adopts a

24:22resolution authorizing staff to file an

24:25application for finance with the LGC

24:28local government commission. adopts a

24:30reimbursement resolution authorizing the

24:32city to reimburse itself for early

24:34project expenditures from the financing

24:36proceeds. adopts a resolution approving

24:40financing terms with Truist Bank

24:42contingent on LGC approval and

24:44authorizes staff to complete a change

24:46order with Crowder USA to include the

24:49construction of equipment shed and

24:51related site work at one point $1,49,481

24:55and provide a project owner allowance in

24:58the amount of $100,000

25:00upon the LGC approving the project

25:02financing and the loan closing with

25:04Truist Bank.

25:06>> Thank you, sir. We have a motion. We

25:08have a second.

25:09>> Second.

25:09>> We have a second. Any further

25:11discussion? Any questions? If not, all

25:14those in favor say I. I.

25:16>> Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank

25:18y'all.

25:20The next up is financing proposal for

25:22vehicle purchases. Miss Data.

25:26>> Okay. Um so these vehicles were all in

25:30the um FY27 budget that was approved on

25:34June 1st of this year. Um so that was

25:38placed out to bid. The estimated cost of

25:41all of the vehicles totaled 851,000

25:44um which was approved in the budget to

25:47um to fund these vehicles with debt.

25:50And so, um, four, let me word, four

25:56banks, um, responded to the, uh, the

26:00financing.

26:02Um, the RFP went out to nine banking

26:05institutions. Um, not as many as the

26:08shed because some, um, institutions,

26:11like I mentioned earlier, some like to

26:13do vehicles and some don't. And the same

26:16thing with, uh, with real property. Um,

26:19so I sent it to nine and four responded.

26:22Um, these are the four and um, Atlantic

26:25Union um, was the lowest rate

26:29and um, we're going to finance them over

26:315 years and so um, there's no pre-

26:35penalty, no origination fee. Um, so the

26:39recommendation is Atlantic Union Bank

26:41for 4.23%

26:43over 5 years.

26:45>> Any questions from council? Do you

26:48expect all these vehicles to come in

26:49this fiscal year? Are we going to have a

26:50multi-year weight on some of these like

26:52we do for firet trucks?

26:54>> Believe we're expecting them to come in

26:56this year.

26:58Any comment?

27:00>> Yes. We're starting to see vehicles come

27:02in a little quicker than we had in the

27:03past postco. So,

27:07>> yes.

27:08>> All right. What's the pleasure of the

27:10council?

27:12I move to adopt the reimbursement uh

27:15resolution and the resolution adopt or

27:17excuse me approving financing terms

27:19which allows the finance director to

27:21execute the installment loan for

27:24vehicles with Atlantic Unit Union Bank.

27:28>> Good. Thank you. We have a motion. Do we

27:30have a second?

27:31>> Second.

27:33Need a second, man.

27:36Yeah. Thank you. Have a motion and a

27:38second. Any further discussion?

27:42If not, all those in favor say I. I.

27:44>> Any oppose? Motion carries. Thank you.

27:47>> Thank you.

27:48>> All right. The next one is memorandum of

27:50understanding between the city of Mban

27:51and Orange County school systems, a

27:53joint uh facility use. Honorable Lawson

27:57Brown.

27:58>> Thank you, mayor, members of the

28:00council. Uh this is uh

28:05discussion arose on a joint use

28:08agreement uh because the Orange County

28:12schools uh through the Orange County

28:15government are constructing a elementary

28:19school and uh they have requested or

28:24discussed being annexed into the city.

28:27uh and they are building a gymnasium as

28:30a part of this project.

28:33uh and the discussions it became uh

28:38staff-wise we felt it important to have

28:41use of that facility at the cost that uh

28:46they are uh that Orange County is

28:48building the facility

28:51>> and Orange County had Orange County

28:55school system has agreed to that. Now,

28:58this agreement that we have for the

29:01joint use of the agreement is after

29:03school hours and consistent with the uh

29:06Orange County school system policies and

29:10procedures.

29:12Uh the gymnasium is an elementary school

29:16gymnasium and anticipating questions

29:20from you. Uh it would not be usable as a

29:25shelter uh as uh we have uh as y'all

29:30have discussed in the past uh because of

29:33the size and the limitation on space

29:38etc.

29:40The agreement is contingent upon the

29:43city entering into a separate financing

29:47agreement with Orange County when Orange

29:50County goes out and bids not only the

29:53construction but the financing of the

29:56facility. Uh so uh you're you're looking

30:01at an expense of approximately 381,547

30:07over uh a uh 10-year period. And um so

30:13the agreement runs for 10 years and uh

30:16here you see the schematics on it. And I

30:20would mention that the Orange County

30:22School System is working with a

30:24consultant that we've found to be most

30:27uh easy to work with. Steve Hess, he's

30:30here tonight and uh can answer questions

30:33if I if I or Preston uh cannot answer

30:36them. Uh but u we felt like it was

30:40really a great costsaving measure. Uh we

30:44had France work up a cost uh of the uh

30:48of a comparable facility if the city

30:50were to build that and that cost was

30:53dramatically more and I believe that was

30:56included in your uh package as well. Uh

31:00I and other staff are happy to answer

31:02any questions that you might have, but

31:05it seemed like an opportunity for uh the

31:08city to expand its facilities for

31:12recreation for this age elementary age

31:17uh group uh that we are seeing a need

31:21for. And again, I'm happy to answer any

31:24questions uh you might have relative to

31:26the same. But I don't necessar excuse me

31:29I don't necessarily have a question and

31:30a comment. This is this is fantastic in

31:33the fact that um our we bought some land

31:36not far from here for for recreation. Uh

31:40so as as we go through time using this

31:43facility will ease and I think I I heard

31:46it was just for practices and they're

31:49not games are not going to be played. Is

31:51that did I understand that right?

31:52Where's Aaron?

31:54>> He's in the back.

31:54>> Hey, is that true?

31:57But anyway, either way, it's um they

32:00have Uber games plate.

32:01>> Yeah, we'll play we'll plan to play

32:03games uh

32:04>> for especially basketball for the

32:06younger ages.

32:07>> Yeah.

32:08>> Um but also other sports could practice

32:11or play there as well.

32:12>> Yeah. Good. I mean that's a to me is a

32:14tremendous opportunity. Um,

32:17>> I will say speaking as a basketball mom

32:20that that is something especially during

32:22basketball season, we run really tight

32:24on being able to have enough courts for

32:28um practices and games.

32:32So,

32:33if I'm correct, essentially, we're not

32:36we're not so much paying Orange County

32:38for the use of the gym as much as we are

32:40paying for the additional uh space,

32:44lockers, vestibule, clearances that

32:46would be necessary for us to use it. Is

32:48that

32:50>> adequate description?

32:53>> Yes, that's correct. And we we will have

32:55some operational expenses as well once

32:57it's uh built and in use.

33:00But these costs the initial the initial

33:02380 is basically a estimation of the

33:06additional construction additional 10

33:08feet the bleachers the vestibule the etc

33:12that would be really required ADA stuff

33:15that would be required for us

33:17>> if we were to build a city gym.

33:19>> Yes, that's correct. Construction costs.

33:20Yes.

33:23>> I'm I'm a huge fan of ideas like this

33:25and I'm excited about this. But um uh

33:28Mr. Why I think the biggest most

33:30interesting thing to residents of Mebban

33:32many is that an actual elementary school

33:34is being built in Mebban then I think

33:38it's public knowledge but most people

33:39wouldn't know. Can you just comment for

33:42people's benefit in what year they

33:44expect a new school to be open in Orange

33:46County?

33:48>> I Preston has the exact year.

33:51>> So they u it is my understanding if I

33:55say anything wrong I would ask Mr. has

33:57to raise his hand. But, uh, I believe

34:00Orange County Schools in Orange County

34:02have determined this is the site they

34:04want to move forward with the past year,

34:06year and a half. I think they're doing a

34:07process for that. Uh, I believe 2029

34:12is the year the school will open. Yes,

34:15sir. So, uh, so it will be in 2029 and,

34:18[clears throat]

34:19uh, obviously, as the city attorney

34:22mentioned, Council Member White, they'll

34:23be coming to talk about annexation,

34:26zoning, special use permit process in

34:29the future, but, uh, 2029 may feel a

34:33long ways away. I'm sure the people that

34:35are in charge of building this building

34:37would tell you it feels very close, uh,

34:39when you're having to meet that August

34:41deadline of school starting. Preston,

34:43will you introduce our guest from Orange

34:46County?

34:46>> Yes. Uh, you want to come forward then

34:49since they want to introduce you? I'll

34:51allow them to introduce their full names

34:53and titles uh and add anything else

34:57they'd like to. Mr. Mayor,

35:00>> didn't mean to put you on the spot.

35:02[laughter]

35:03>> No worries. Good evening, council

35:05members. I am Melanie Gartrell. I am the

35:08director of construction and capital

35:10planning for Orange County Schools.

35:12>> Good.

35:13>> Welcome.

35:14>> Hey, good evening y'all. I am Steve

35:16Hess. I am with Project Management

35:18Consultants North Carolina and I work

35:21for Miss Cartra.

35:23>> Thank you for coming. Does the council

35:25have any questions?

35:27>> First, I want to echo what the mayor is

35:29saying, the council saying. This is a

35:30phenomenal opportunity. So, thank you

35:32for this. This is great. Thank you

35:33staff. Um, and thank you for Orange

35:36County for investing in the kids and

35:37education here in the city of Meban. Um,

35:39just more G-W whiz information. Uh, any

35:41idea what happened with the shelter uh,

35:44amenities and things along that line?

35:45Just what not able to make it happen?

35:48>> We, um, Orange County has an agree

35:51Orange County Schools has a standing

35:53agreement with Orange County to use

35:56facilities across uh, Orange County for

36:00emergency shelters. the we did a quick

36:04review of the elementary school and the

36:07fact that it doesn't have showers that

36:09it's not as large as a middle school uh

36:11kind of ruled it out. If we were going

36:13to plus we need a generator. So if we

36:16were ever going to upgrade a facility to

36:19meet Red Cross emergency shelters, we

36:22would look at a high school or um a

36:25middle school which already has a lot of

36:26the infrastructure in place.

36:28>> It's right next door.

36:30>> Yes, sir. very helpful.

36:32>> I can see the I can see the Any other

36:34questions?

36:37for for the council's benefit. Part of

36:39this discussion has been that the soccer

36:42facility that is on contiguous to this

36:46property and Gral Hill as well as the

36:49elementary school property will have to

36:52they'll have to apply for annexation and

36:56y'all will have to have after public

36:58hearing make a decision on the

37:00annexation. And so this agreement is

37:02contingent upon the annexation as well

37:05in addition to the financing portion

37:07that will have to be under a different

37:09memorandum of understanding with Orange

37:11County. Um

37:14>> yes, Mr. Mayor, I'm just wondering the

37:16attorney or anybody else might answer.

37:18Uh does Mean have a memorandum of

37:20understanding with any other either

37:22Orange County or ABSS schools? Uh

37:26Alamance County does have a standing

37:29memorandum of understanding with

37:30Alamance County the schools for field

37:34use and u Aaron for gym use or not.

37:39>> Yes sir. It's a joint use agreement for

37:42um middle schools and high schools um

37:46close by to meban for outdoor and indoor

37:49facility use for sports. I was going to

37:51suggest we explore even further what we

37:54can do with ABSS

37:57um and make it a lot more um flexible

38:00using their their thing. This is um uh

38:03this came up of course we we already

38:05have a memorandum understanding with

38:07Alam Al Alamance County but this came up

38:10because of the new facility but um thank

38:12y'all so much for coming and anybody

38:15anybody else have a question

38:16>> follow I guess my question is does the

38:18city of Mean pay anything for the

38:21memorandum for the ABSS schools?

38:25>> We're not really paying anything from

38:27the memorandum here. We're we're

38:29actually this the projected cost here

38:31initially is the changes that would be

38:34need to be made for the design

38:36>> for us

38:37>> building for it to be used. For example,

38:40bleachers. If you go to the elementary

38:43schools we have in Meban, we don't they

38:45don't have bleachers. So, it'd be

38:47impossible to watch a game there if you

38:48were parents. And

38:50>> which one?

38:52>> At which school are you referring?

38:54>> South

38:56Emod. the gyms there are not sufficient

38:58size with with uh you know it's my

39:02understanding from this init this

39:04initial agreement is these costs are

39:07estimates of what it would take to make

39:09the gym usable in the format that we use

39:12them and that's bleachers

39:14>> like a separate entrance

39:16>> side ent

39:23>> I just want to celebrate to using

39:25existing infrastructure in this case,

39:27new coming incoming infrastructure to

39:30maximize the I mean, obviously, we'll

39:32never get to like 247 use rate, but

39:35being able to use a facility that's

39:36going to be otherwise vacant um is

39:39really smart. So,

39:40>> great comment. Great comment.

39:42>> We we uh have enjoyed working with city

39:45of Mebban and staff and uh it's great to

39:48be part of this community in a small

39:49way. So, thank you.

39:50>> We're excited about the building. We're

39:52excited about the annexation. So, uh

39:54keep it coming. Thank you.

39:57>> Mr. Mayor, I want to add we have asked

39:59in Orange County schools, I think this

40:02is a new newer endeavor for them. We

40:05have asked with time, could we explore

40:07the same kind of joint use agreement we

40:09have with ABSS with them as well. Um

40:14obviously in that case uh the reason

40:16there is no as and uh the recreation and

40:20parks director can correct me reason

40:22there's no charge on operating costs on

40:24that is we we use each other's

40:27facilities for free uh if they're

40:29available. In this case uh council mayor

40:33pro Tim Bradley's right. These three

40:35items are related to the expansion of

40:37the gym to allow it to have games and

40:39practices use beyond the elementary

40:41school gym. Uh but we will sh as the

40:44city attorney said, we will share our

40:46pay our share of operational costs, but

40:49we would pay that if we build a

40:50elementary school gym as well too. Uh

40:53but we have ask Orange County with time,

40:56could we go back and explore an

40:58agreement like we have with ABSSS as

41:00well? Well, I mean, arguably too,

41:02wouldn't I mean, I'm just saying this

41:04like I would encourage ABSS to come to

41:06us if they were building a new

41:08elementary school in Meban to pursue

41:11something similar. Um, I would love to

41:14see a new school here in Meban with

41:16similar [clears throat] facilities.

41:18>> Well, we have to lobby.

41:19>> We we've shared if they build one, we'd

41:22be interested have discussions.

41:24[laughter]

41:25>> All right. All right. If there no

41:27further question, what's the pleasure to

41:28council? I move that the city of Mean

41:30enter into the memorandum of

41:31understanding with Orange County school

41:33system consistent in form and substance

41:35with the same as presented and to

41:37authorize the city manager and city

41:38staff to execute the same and take all

41:41other appropriate action to accomplish

41:43the same.

41:44>> Thank you. That was good number one.

41:46Thank you for your motion. Do we have a

41:48second? [laughter]

41:49>> Second.

41:49>> Second. Any further discussion?

41:52>> If not, all those in favor say I.

41:54>> I. Any uh disagreement?

41:57If not, the motion carries. Thank you.

42:00Thank you guys. Appreciate y'all coming.

42:04Voluntary annexation agreement, 3803

42:07West 10 Road. Mr. Brown.

42:11>> Uh, this is a voluntary annexation

42:14agreement fluent to our city standing

42:17standing policy for uh, house at 3803

42:21West 10 Road, Maryland Effin Liner and

42:24David Liner. And um,

42:31we don't have city general services in

42:34that area. We do have water and sewer in

42:38that area. Uh and that is the

42:42reason for the uh request and it will be

42:46documented as it normally is with the

42:49annexation standard annexation

42:51agreement.

42:52>> Just standard request

42:55>> pretty much.

42:55>> Yes sir.

42:56>> Yep. Any any questions? So, so this just

43:00this is similar to the properties that

43:02we addressed in West End where we have

43:05certain city services we're not prepared

43:07to to offer all of them but but such

43:12time that we are the agreement exists

43:13that we can annex them in that is that

43:15correct?

43:15>> Yes. Yes sir. And in this case sewer is

43:18available at the present city water is

43:20not available but it is in our long

43:21range plan. Obviously, we have some

43:24potential or we have future park land

43:27across from it as well, too. But yes, it

43:28could be annexed and city clerk keeps

43:31all of this on file. So, uh uh when when

43:36those times are feasible, we it could be

43:38brought back to council and go through

43:40the full annexation process. April 10,

43:43>> these agreements are recorded in the

43:45particular registry. In this case, it

43:47would be an Orange County registry.

43:49>> So, we don't have water. I mean, I think

43:51the statement initially was we had but

43:53but it's just sewer

43:54>> just sewer at the present. Most likely

43:56we'll have water there in the future,

43:58but it's really driven by the general

44:00services uh that we have no real

44:04residential services offered in this

44:06area.

44:08>> All right, there are no other questions.

44:10I move the city accept the petition for

44:12annexation and the annexation agreement

44:14for this 2.5 acres at 3803 West 10, but

44:19defer annexation till the until the

44:21future per the city's policy and upon re

44:24recording of the signed annexation

44:26agreement. I further move that the city

44:27allow access to the city utility

44:30services per the voluntary annexation

44:33policy that we have.

44:34>> All right, we have a motion. Do we have

44:35a second?

44:37>> Second.

44:38>> Have a second. Any further discussion?

44:41If not, all those in favor say I.

44:43>> I. Any opposed?

44:45>> Motion carries. Downtown exterior

44:47improvement grant. Uh, Miss Obe, our

44:51development director. [clears throat]

44:53>> Good evening.

44:56So, you allocated $50,000 in this year's

44:58budget for this grant program. We've

45:01received two applications. Both have

45:03provided two quotes. They are both

45:05tenants and we have documented property

45:07owner approval.

45:09um if they make any changes, staff will

45:11need to review that before the work is

45:13completed. Both of these properties are

45:16on West Clay Street and are in the

45:17downtown area identified in our vision

45:20plan. Um they are under the $10,000

45:24maximum reward and they would be a 50/50

45:28match.

45:30Both are related to facade improvements.

45:33The first is for the property at 119

45:35West Clay Street. This is the home or

45:39future home of Fertelli Italian Kitchen.

45:42Um, and so they are looking to install

45:44some exterior signage. Um, and are

45:47requesting just over $1,100.

45:51And the second is for 134 West Clay

45:53Street. Um, this is for a future realy

45:57group to occupy the space. They would

46:00like to install an awning that will also

46:02include signage. and the request is for

46:04just over $1,500.

46:06There will be approximately $47,000

46:10remaining. Um, if these two awards are

46:12approved,

46:15>> how much?

46:16>> 47,000.

46:17>> 47. I thought you said 27.

46:19>> I'm really excited to see tenants moving

46:21so quickly on these two spaces. Um,

46:25they've not been vacant long. That's

46:28that's great.

46:30>> All right. What's the pleasure to

46:31council? I move to award a total of

46:35$2,720.76

46:39in downtown exterior improvement grant

46:41funds to the applicants for the projects

46:43described in submitted applications.

46:46>> Second.

46:47>> Thank you. We have a motion and a

46:49second. Any further discussion? If not,

46:53all those in favor say I.

46:55>> I. Any opposed? Motion carries. All

46:58right, moving on to Old Hillsboro Road

47:00waterline relocation. France Holt, our

47:03city engineer.

47:07Yes, mayor, council members.

47:12um

47:17during the NCO DOT cover placement

47:20project which you see a Brandon cul

47:22there uh our water line what you see is

47:26duct iron

47:28uh

47:30who's standing on that line

47:33>> okay I didn't [laughter] wasn't sure and

47:36um that's our 12inch ductal iron water

47:39line and Um towards the culvert you see

47:44an 8 in PVC plastic line owned and

47:48operated by Orange Elements Water System

47:50Incorporated.

47:54These lines were exposed uh we believe

47:58we were told during a large storm event

48:01uh while the replacement was ongoing. So

48:05the covert did proceed with its

48:07construction.

48:08Uh during that time we had asked if uh

48:12they were replacing that cover due to uh

48:16tropical storm Shantel

48:19uh which uh damaged the two uh

48:22corrugated male pipes they had in place.

48:24They put in a larger culvert

48:27uh big storm occurred. We got contacted

48:31that these water lines were being had

48:33been exposed and you can see the erosion

48:35there with the stream bank.

48:39Uh so in talking with Kyle and others,

48:42we believe that for the long-term care

48:44of that water line, it needs to be

48:47relocated.

48:48Uh it is just west of Jones Road

48:52intersection

48:53uh there before you get to the school

48:55driveway off of Old Hillsboro Road.

48:58And as I mentioned, the um it became uh

49:02uncovered or exposed during a storm

49:05event.

49:07It is a small section that we believe

49:10needs to be relocated. We've done some

49:12sketching associated with that, but it

49:14has expensive valves, rock excavation

49:19uh that will be associated with that. We

49:20typically put our water lines uh that

49:24crosses creeks in steel and casement

49:26pipes. So, there's costs associated with

49:28that. It also would need to be designed.

49:31It would need to be permitted bid. There

49:34is a couple of easements, one from the

49:36school that would be needed and one from

49:39the property owner adjacent to the

49:41school.

49:43Uh I know that's a wide range in cost.

49:46Uh but we don't know uh what kind of

49:48bidding, but we'll get back from that

49:51and the fact that it is a smaller

49:53project they can to be on the heavy

49:55side.

49:58>> So it's not it's not deep enough now to

50:00enase still.

50:02>> No sir.

50:05Uh, [clears throat] as I mentioned that

50:07we talked to DOT about trying to get

50:11funding from them. Initially, we thought

50:13they were getting FEMA funding. We did

50:16talk to our FEMA representatives who've

50:18helped us with our damages. And at that

50:22time, they told us we would have to work

50:23through NC DOT.

50:26um they have a um a department or

50:30division within NC DOT that deals with

50:34uh these kinds of issues issues and uh

50:37they huddled up with them and uh found

50:40out they weren't going to get

50:41reimbursement uh from the Federal

50:43Highway Administration and therefore we

50:46wouldn't have any funding made available

50:49to us. So, it appears that the funding

50:53likely will need to come from the city

50:55of Nebin and our utility fund.

50:59>> Council, have any questions for friends?

51:03>> Do you anticipate any problem with

51:05easements?

51:07>> Well, there's two and the school's

51:09likely to give us one and and we'll

51:12we'll talk to the uh folks that own the

51:15one property. It's short. It's in a

51:18creek. It's in a flood plane. So, I hope

51:20not.

51:22>> What happens to the Orange Alamance

51:24pipe?

51:25>> That's a good question. Um, we've been

51:29in conversation with them throughout and

51:32u so what they've asked us for is uh and

51:36this sketch actually shows a relocation

51:39of Orange Alamance as well in a

51:41connection emergency connection

51:45uh with our system. Um right now they've

51:49decided to forego uh relocation of their

51:53line

51:54um

51:56because of the funding issue and um they

52:01have discussed the uh emergency

52:03connection but I think that um talking

52:07with Wayne Poor today uh they have not

52:11decided to to move forward with that.

52:13>> Now it doesn't make sense. Excuse me. Go

52:16ahead. So, they're going to leave a

52:17plastic pipe while we move a metal one.

52:20>> Oh, yeah. That makes sense.

52:22>> That That's their decision.

52:25>> Yeah. All right.

52:26>> What is there a risk of us damaging

52:28their pipe while we're doing the move?

52:30>> Well, we're going to be we're going to

52:31be about 10 ft beyond our ductal iron

52:34pipe. So, I don't think that that that

52:37uh is a major concern or issue. We will

52:41be outside the rideway, which we need to

52:43be. Uh anyway, um that was another

52:47matter of this project. We're we're

52:49inside NC DOT right away and they have

52:52the ability to then when we need to move

52:55a line to to make us move that line.

52:58>> So it sounds I mean yeah, you don't have

53:01to comment on this. It sounds like

53:02they're being recklessly unsafe. I just

53:04want to make sure that we're not being

53:05extremely oversafe, you know, and

53:07spending 200 or $400,000

53:10just, you know, for the 0.001 001%

53:14chance that you know it needs to be

53:16moved. But you feel like it's definitely

53:18the responsible decision for us to move

53:21this.

53:22>> I do and your utilities director does.

53:29>> One of the uh main concerns we have is

53:31their line itself. If their line goes

53:33out, it could jeopardize ours and take

53:34ours out. Right now, we only have a

53:36one-way feed in there. So, we'd be

53:38losing how many customers? Thousand.

53:42More than that,

53:42>> more than thousand customers if that

53:44happen.

53:45>> How many will they lose if theirs goes

53:47out? I guess you don't know that.

53:49[sighs]

53:49>> It's similar.

53:50>> Similar.

53:51>> That's people not count, right?

53:56>> So, our 12inch line goes down Jones Road

54:00and serves all of Cambridge Park. It is

54:03a dead end line.

54:05The line eventually is going to be

54:07looped with the evolve connection to uh

54:11Manfield and Arbor Creek. Um that does

54:16today. I wish it was there today, but

54:18it's not. Um

54:21but I think that that um having this

54:25line encased uh in a steel enc casement

54:29pipe prevents concerns in the future. I

54:33will go on to say that with that uh

54:35cover being lower than it was previously

54:39that over time that the uh as storm

54:43events happen it's going to try to reach

54:45that invert which is

54:492.7 ft above the top of our pipe the

54:52bottom of that invert of that cover.

54:57>> Okay.

54:58>> Just one quick question. Um how did we

55:00find this? because I think DOT has been

55:02working on this for a minute. Um, how

55:04did this just all of a sudden come to

55:06our attention?

55:09>> They I think they called you. Yeah, they

55:13had already taken the old pipes out and

55:18they were matting that they had a pump

55:21around

55:23um not activity before they actually

55:25installed the new pipe and it alerted us

55:28to it. Now it has silted in uh over the

55:33pipe with silt

55:36um and Orange Alamance Incorporated is

55:39has indicated they've gone down and

55:41looked at it as well. And uh some of

55:43that pipe is silted in since that photo

55:47you saw. Uh [clears throat] but that's

55:50silt.

55:54He said, "Well, well, DOT has the

55:56authority to require us to move it since

55:58on our rightways." They have the same

56:00authority to ask Alamance Orange to move

56:04theirs too, don't they?

56:06>> I think they asserted that authority

56:10when we asked them to help pay for it.

56:14And I think uh I believe I included a

56:16letter because I wanted something in

56:18writing indicating that uh why it was

56:22our responsibility to move it associated

56:24with this event and this replacement.

56:27Um, so they provided that in writing.

56:33>> This the emergency connection that

56:35Orange Alamance had discussed. That's

56:37not because hey, if Meban moves their

56:40pipe and puts in an emergency connection

56:43and we lose our pipe or just use

56:45emergency connection. Is that the reason

56:46they're asking for that addition?

56:48>> The emergency connection

56:52would um serve their customers on that

56:56end. They have a dead end line as well.

56:59And um we did put forth a uh an

57:04agreement if this all came to pass

57:07um that their board could consider. We

57:10had certain six items I believe outlined

57:13in agreement. I believe that was shared

57:16uh

57:18with a report from city manager Richard

57:21White

57:23um to the to the council that that may

57:26occur. Um

57:29but to date they've decided that

57:32I think they're going to take their

57:34chances on that

57:36at least from what I'm being told by Mr.

57:39Poor.

57:43All right. Is there no other questions?

57:46>> I was just going to say I appreciate our

57:48proactivity on our end. Um I think we

57:51all remember last year what it was like

57:53to have restrictions on water and um

57:57anything to avoid that um for a giant

58:01chunk of our population is appreciated.

58:05>> Thank you.

58:06>> We'll have to have a motion about this

58:09subsequently when you have more detailed

58:11numbers. This is just

58:12>> Yes. Yes, we're just wanting to get

58:14feedback from council

58:17um alert you through the matter and

58:21um you know it's going it's going to

58:23take months to get it designed and and

58:26easement was acquired and and actually

58:29bid it and come back to you.

58:32>> One more just cursory question I guess

58:34just to prepare everyone down Jones

58:36Road, Cambridge Park and there may be

58:37some turbidity issues once we start

58:39construction down the way. So, we hope

58:42to avoid a lot of that. But yes, you're

58:45right. U we're we're the type of

58:47connection that we're doing or showing

58:50based on the preliminary sketch is not

58:53one that that should put folks out of

58:56water. Uh

58:59that's our that's our plan.

59:00>> And we'll not shut the the road down

59:03either.

59:04>> No, we'll we'll do lane closures where

59:06needed.

59:07>> Okay. Right.

59:10I move for the city staff to proceed

59:12with the necessary design, permitting,

59:14and easement acquisition while

59:15continuing to investigate additional

59:16funding options for the completion of

59:18the waterline relocation project.

59:20>> Second.

59:21>> We have a motion and a second. Any

59:23further discussion?

59:24>> If not, all those in favor say I.

59:26>> I.

59:27>> Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you,

59:29France.

59:30>> Yes, sir.

59:31>> All right. I need a motion for us to go

59:33into close session pursuant to

59:35NCGS143-318-

59:4011 A3.

59:43>> So move second.

59:44>> You have a motion and a second.

59:47>> And would you just specify the purpose

59:50specific?

59:52>> There there are two situations, Mr.

59:55Rabon. [clears throat]

59:56One is with the ongoing litigation with

59:59the city of Graham and the other is I

1:00:02will be asking for condemnation on uh

1:00:06the pump station lot uh that is on

1:00:10Fieldstone

1:00:12uh farms property owners association.

1:00:16uh the that board had agreed uh to sell

1:00:20that lot and they under the due

1:00:23diligence it required a 2/3 vote of 360

1:00:31homeowners. So they've asked us to

1:00:34condemn it and give them the money. So

1:00:35that's what I'm going to discuss with

1:00:38council.

1:00:40>> All right, we have a motion and a

1:00:41second.

1:00:43Any other any discussion? If not, what's

1:00:47the pleasure to council?

1:00:48>> I

1:00:50motion carries.

1:29:53close session.

1:29:54>> So move

1:29:55>> second. [clears throat]

1:29:56>> Second.

1:29:56>> Wait. Aaron wants us to wait.

1:29:59>> You ready?

1:30:01>> All right. I need a motion to come out

1:30:03of close session.

1:30:04>> Make a motion.

1:30:05>> Second.

1:30:06>> Have a motion to second. Any discussion?

1:30:08If not, all those in favor say I. I.

1:30:10>> Any opposed?

1:30:12Motion carries.

1:30:14Mr. Bradley,

1:30:15>> uh, in light of the discussion

1:30:17concerning, uh, the waste the, uh, pump

1:30:20station,

1:30:22uh, and the fact that we already have a

1:30:25pump station on the property. Uh, I move

1:30:28that the city file condemnation to

1:30:30acquire title to the property of the

1:30:32Fieldstone Farms Homeowners Association,

1:30:36uh, Incorporated, property on which the

1:30:38city's pump station is located.

1:30:41Give our attorney authority to do that.

1:30:43>> We have a motion.

1:30:44>> Second.

1:30:45>> We have a second. Any further

1:30:46discussion? If not, all those in favor

1:30:49say I.

1:30:50>> I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Uh,

1:30:54that's the business of tonight. We got

1:30:56announcements maybe citizens academy the

1:30:59Cameron Lane plan update. Both of those

1:31:01are are uh very important.

1:31:05>> Citizens academy is starting Thursday.

1:31:07This Thursday.

1:31:09>> Yes.

1:31:09>> And it's going to be at community park

1:31:11and um Aaron is our first speaker and um

1:31:16folks can register on civic wreck if

1:31:19they have not already done so. We have

1:31:20plenty of space.

1:31:22>> All right. May I do? I have um I have

1:31:25one. There's been several that didn't

1:31:27cannot meet in October, our October

1:31:30meeting. That what you want to do? All

1:31:32right. Uh so it looks like uh October

1:31:3719th. Uh is that good?

1:31:41No, it's not good.

1:31:43>> O 19th won't work for me.

1:31:44>> I have another engagement on the 19th.

1:31:47>> That's right.

1:31:48Um

1:31:50>> we can't do it the first two weeks of

1:31:51October. So, the third week, uh, can we

1:31:55do the 20th?

1:31:59>> I could do Tuesday the 20th.

1:32:04>> Is that okay, Stephanie?

1:32:09>> Um, you're whatever you all want to do,

1:32:12of course, but I'm just wondering how

1:32:13that works for planning board um

1:32:16turnaround

1:32:19any issues with that?

1:32:21I I don't recall us ever pushing a

1:32:24council meeting back that way.

1:32:27>> So, hearing hearing about it, I did

1:32:28discuss it with uh Miss Owen B, the

1:32:31development director. Um she would

1:32:34probably keep her planning board dates

1:32:36for September and October on the same

1:32:38dates because they're scheduled people

1:32:40going forward. The uh the only uh so

1:32:44that shouldn't be an impact other than

1:32:46people would have to wait an extra

1:32:47couple weeks. Uh there were I I don't

1:32:51know there are two planning board items

1:32:53so I don't know what impact it may or

1:32:55may not have on those those timelines.

1:32:58Um there was a downtown incentive grant

1:33:03uh that the person could not make the

1:33:05deadline for this month. She shared that

1:33:07they would probably

1:33:10uh say a delay would impact their

1:33:12project. So but that is a single

1:33:14project.

1:33:15>> You said there's two planning board

1:33:16items. You mean two planning board items

1:33:19>> in September?

1:33:19>> September, which the vote on those would

1:33:21be delayed.

1:33:23>> Yes. Two weeks and one day.

1:33:25>> We vote on things from the October

1:33:27planning board meeting in our October

1:33:29meeting if we flip them or No.

1:33:31>> No. She would uh she discussed keeping

1:33:34those the same dates. Uh I can't speak

1:33:36for her, but I think she'd need to keep

1:33:38and the city attorney speak on this.

1:33:39She'd have to keep her designated

1:33:41advertising periods. I don't know that

1:33:42that would be feasible to come up. And

1:33:45uh I need to double check too. I don't

1:33:48know when uh when the planning board

1:33:50meeting is in October. Uh real quick as

1:33:53well too cuz

1:33:54>> would that be the 12th?

1:33:55>> Okay.

1:33:57>> Well, so the first week we have

1:34:00conflicts. Second week we have conflict.

1:34:03So um

1:34:07if we if we have to we could do it the

1:34:09second week, but we're going to miss one

1:34:11of the council members. Yes, this is a

1:34:13council decision. Uh un hearing that it

1:34:16may be an adjustment to the date or

1:34:19maybe discussion on it. Uh I consulted

1:34:22with sob. I'm not saying it can't be

1:34:25moved. I'm just giving you the feedback.

1:34:26We don't we don't foresee it having an

1:34:29impact

1:34:30um other than delaying those two items

1:34:33from planning board, whatever else may

1:34:35be on the agenda. and she did mention um

1:34:39one downtown business was eager to uh

1:34:42move forward on the downtown grant.

1:34:46>> Well, I don't I don't have I don't have

1:34:48a problem with missing the meeting in

1:34:49October. Uh I'm not available the second

1:34:51week. U I mean if that's when everybody

1:34:54wants to have I would say this though.

1:34:56Uh

1:34:57it it uh irritates me a little bit and

1:35:01bothers me a lot that uh we feel like

1:35:04we've got to schedule council meetings

1:35:06around developers. And

1:35:09my my opinion is if they need to come

1:35:11before city council, they can come

1:35:13before city council when we're ready

1:35:15>> when we have the opportunity to meet

1:35:17following one of their meetings. But if

1:35:19you guys want to meet on the second week

1:35:21of October, I won't be here.

1:35:23Well, to

1:35:24>> to clarify, I did not say it'd be an

1:35:26impact on a project, said city.

1:35:27>> No, I'm just saying we've done it

1:35:28before. You know, we've had a concern

1:35:30before about [clears throat]

1:35:31uh rushing something through so we can

1:35:33get that's not a concern to me.

1:35:36>> I'm not worried about a developer, but I

1:35:38I would hate for a downtown business to

1:35:40be um missing a grant downtown grant

1:35:45opportunity.

1:35:46>> Yeah, I think we ought to turn that

1:35:48whole approval process for that over to

1:35:50staff anyway. But uh once it's budgeted,

1:35:53but that's that's another discussion for

1:35:55another time.

1:35:57>> Okay. What's the consensus? [snorts]

1:36:0120th or the

1:36:05both? Could everyone make the 20th?

1:36:09>> I can do the 20th. I could also do the

1:36:1212th um or the 13th.

1:36:19So, I'm part of the problem for the

1:36:21fifth.

1:36:23Um,

1:36:24>> Tim's on the 12th. I'm I'm a problem

1:36:27with the fifth, too. I

1:36:28>> Two of us have a problem on the fifth.

1:36:30So, that's pretty compelling that we

1:36:31should move it from the fifth.

1:36:33>> Yep.

1:36:33>> Um, so it seems like the 12th we would

1:36:37miss Tim. It's possible the 20th we'd

1:36:40miss nobody.

1:36:41>> Probably be out.

1:36:42>> You'd be out on the 20th on Tuesday.

1:36:44>> I've got another No. Oh, sorry. Uh, my

1:36:46apologies. The 19th. Uh 20th. I'll be

1:36:47okay. My apologies.

1:36:50>> 80.

1:36:51>> I can do the 20th. Can you do the 20th?

1:36:54>> Trina.

1:36:54>> Uhhuh.

1:36:56>> 10.

1:36:57>> Yeah, I can do the 20th. But I

1:36:59>> And just to clarify, too, the folks that

1:37:00are missing the fifth are also missing

1:37:02the sixth.

1:37:03>> Is that right?

1:37:04>> Absolutely.

1:37:05>> All right. We need a motion for October

1:37:0820th.

1:37:09So I the question is is there some

1:37:12advantage in moving it a week earlier

1:37:14missing one council member or doing it

1:37:16on the 20th and having all the council

1:37:18members and I haven't heard any reason

1:37:22to consider moving it earlier might as

1:37:24well go with the 20th. I don't have I

1:37:26don't have I don't know that there's an

1:37:28advantage. I don't have a problem with

1:37:29it. We've, you know, obviously in the

1:37:31past we've had the mayor or council

1:37:33members miss

1:37:35but right only the only the only to me

1:37:38the only uh 20th three weeks is us a

1:37:41little unusual. I think we've done it

1:37:44but it's been a while. Uh but I'm I'm

1:37:47good either way.

1:37:48>> Yeah. I mean in general I would say if

1:37:50it for one council member we would just

1:37:51leave it in the original date. But since

1:37:54we're missing two council members and

1:37:55we're considering moving it, there's

1:37:57some advantage to try to find a date

1:37:58when we can all be there. That's the way

1:38:00I lean.

1:38:01>> And I just always think too like if

1:38:03somebody has um a last minute emergency,

1:38:06you know, having I like I like being

1:38:09able to plan around where we all can be

1:38:11there and then

1:38:12>> if something comes up, something comes

1:38:13up. But you know,

1:38:15>> just some more information for

1:38:17>> I need a motion for October 20th.

1:38:20>> Okay. Well, I was just going to make

1:38:22sure um it might be uh helpful if we're

1:38:25going to be going into close session on

1:38:26the 20th to have as many uh council

1:38:28members there as possible to get that

1:38:29information.

1:38:30>> So, uh 20th uh motion that we have our

1:38:33next council meeting on October 20th.

1:38:36>> Have a motion. Have a second. Any

1:38:38further discussion?

1:38:39>> 6 p.m.

1:38:40>> 6 p.m.

1:38:42>> If not, all those in favor say I.

1:38:44>> I. Any opposed? Motion carries.

1:38:48>> One.

1:38:48>> Thank you, guys. Any

1:38:50>> one quick thing? I really do not want to

1:38:52be leagued this, but I do do definitely

1:38:53want to make sure everyone is involved

1:38:55with the Alamance County uh

1:38:57commissioners now passing a moratorium

1:38:58on data centers. I'm curious about the

1:39:01thoughts and feedback of this council um

1:39:04moratorum or further uh or direct staff

1:39:07to further uh understand data centers.

1:39:10We only have one data type of data

1:39:12center in our UDO of which there are six

1:39:15types out there of which the one that's

1:39:17uh the Honda hot button issue is

1:39:19something called hypers scale. Um is

1:39:22there appetite for a moratorum or to

1:39:24direct staff to further investigate so

1:39:26we can better understand what could be

1:39:29possibly coming down the pike? So I

1:39:31think my only hesitation is that I don't

1:39:33know that we are really um

1:39:38situated well for a data center. Um

1:39:43I haven't heard of any anyone like

1:39:45approaching us or us having the right

1:39:48kind of mix of land and resources for

1:39:50that. I don't have a problem

1:39:52investigating that further. I don't have

1:39:54a problem doing something that limits

1:39:56them or prevents them. Um I don't think

1:39:58that they bring jobs. um like we prefer

1:40:01to see anyway. Um but I just I I don't

1:40:06even know that we're,

1:40:10you know, on the radar for that.

1:40:12>> I just don't think we I agree. I I just

1:40:14we've got we don't have the land and the

1:40:17ability to supply water and and sewer

1:40:21for a project of this of this thing.

1:40:24From what I understand,

1:40:26their needs are. And if that's the case,

1:40:29Meban Meban can't supply the water for

1:40:31for for a facility like that. But um and

1:40:34we don't certainly don't have to land.

1:40:36[clears throat]

1:40:37>> With with all due respect to Mr. Ewing,

1:40:40who I respect highly, I just don't

1:40:41prefer bringing up discussions like this

1:40:43at the end of the meeting on the agenda.

1:40:45>> Right.

1:40:46>> Um we can work with staff to see if it

1:40:48should be on the agenda, but I just

1:40:49don't want to make a habit of this.

1:40:50>> Well, they wanted to add attitude kind

1:40:52of where where we stood. So yeah, let

1:40:54staff investigate it and and bring it

1:40:57forward. Okay.

1:40:58>> Thank you all.

1:40:58>> All right. If nothing else, meeting

1:41:00journ.