2026-10-13 - Park and Recreation Commission

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00:14new official council's order.

00:18Uh the meeting uh the park and

00:21recreation commission meeting of October

00:23third 13th. We are being recorded this

00:27evening for the first time. Um

00:31in a long time.

00:32>> Long time.

00:32>> And uh this is Is this just a recording

00:36or is this live streaming?

00:38>> Just recording.

00:39>> Just recording.

00:41>> Thank you for doing this. Appreciate it.

00:44Um we have uh here with us this evening

00:48um commissioners Shirley Kip, Scott

00:50Walker, Bill Lasker, Leslie Leslie

00:53Mayor, uh associate members Josh

00:56Benalosa, Adam Lane,

00:59and then from the uh recreation

01:01department, we have Courtney Dunian,

01:03Jeff Jaman,

01:04>> [clears throat and snorts]

01:04>> uh Natasha Leen, and Derson doing our

01:08minutes. Thank you, D.

01:11So, we're going to start. Oh, I'm Jen

01:13Rotherberg. Um,

01:16sorry. Uh, a motion to approve our

01:20meeting minutes from July 14th.

01:24Um,

01:26so, thank you for sending those along. I

01:29think had we already looked at these and

01:33then there was a version that couldn't

01:35be voted on because there was no quorum.

01:38So, I actually went back in and I sent

01:40you another version because my computer

01:42already corrects mlenn.

01:45[laughter]

01:46So, I did send another version of them.

01:48Um, I don't know which one we have all

01:51there were two. So, there may be

01:53corrections if you're looking at the old

01:54one.

01:55>> So, Leslie and myself were not present.

01:57So, we can't vote on these vote to

01:59approve. So,

02:00>> no, but I I did look through and we had

02:03some questions. So, thank

02:06you.

02:06>> Okay. What do you

02:09>> 714 paragraph two? What's what's uh

02:13number four paragraph two? What's CA?

02:18>> I don't know. I don't know where 714 is.

02:20Okay, hold on. Where is it?

02:22>> Oh, from

02:24>> construction administration.

02:29>> Oh, contract administration. What does

02:31it stand for?

02:32>> Construction administration. I did it

02:34verbatim of what we said.

02:40>> Where is it?

02:42>> Paragraph two.

02:43>> Number four, paragraph.

02:46>> Um, construction administration.

02:49>> Mhm.

02:53>> Number six. I'm not sure why that's

02:57indented down why there's a an I. I

03:01think that's just a kind of you know

03:04parenthetical

03:06addition because that's the way the

03:08agenda was set up with six and then six

03:11I so that's the way the minutes were

03:13written to

03:16>> oh on that particular night it was uh

03:19item six agenda item I so AB C D there

03:23might have been other items under there

03:25but they're not

03:26>> there weren't that night it was just

03:29>> one they

03:30noted

03:32all of a sudden it's I

03:34>> okay

03:37that's [clears throat] easy to do

03:39>> um

03:40>> I won't comment

03:42>> the

03:43something is it the concom water bodies

03:48working group was referenced

03:54Um,

04:06[snorts]

04:08>> oh, just No, there was Oh, I guess it

04:11>> it might that

04:11>> No, no, no. That was as an aside, just

04:14as I was reading this, are there any

04:16members of the Concom water bodies

04:17working group participating in the fish

04:20fishing line working group?

04:22>> There is now. Um, okay. That's all. I

04:25just wanted to mention that sparked

04:27that. And then fieldplayground

04:30paragraph 2. It's North Union, not

04:33Thompson.

04:34>> Yep.

04:35Spray park and it's Florence, not Down

04:40Spring Center.

04:43The schools don't have anything to do

04:46with those problems.

04:49Thank you. Those were my notes.

04:57Okay. Any other comments? Um, I guess

05:00we'll have to put this one back through

05:01unless we can make a motion to approve

05:05amended. Make a motion to approve as

05:07amended as Leslie's amendment.

05:10>> Okay. Second. All those in favor?

05:14>> I

05:18All right. Um, then we'll move to the

05:21September 8th

05:24meeting minutes. Uh, and it looks like

05:30everybody was here amazingly.

05:35>> Um, did anybody have

05:37>> questions or comments? Leslie 1 C

05:42draft minutes

05:46available

05:48but not listed on the agenda.

05:51[clears throat]

05:53>> Yep.

05:54That's and then very minor minor uh to

06:002F and 2 C. Um it's doesn't need an

06:05apostrophe its

06:09without the apostroph

06:15and then under the discussion section

06:17it's the same

06:20and there is no adjournment information

06:23at the end of those

06:30okay I think be at some point.

06:32>> I didn't take those. I wasn't here.

06:34>> Yes, we can go back. It's not a problem.

06:38>> Okay.

06:40Um,

06:42any other questions or comments about

06:45the September 8th meeting minutes?

06:49Oh, sorry. I had time to these today.

06:53Um,

06:55in general, we had discussed including

06:58members of the public in attendance has

07:00as had been done previously and I didn't

07:03see those being included in these

07:06minutes because I believe we talked

07:08about that.

07:08>> Yes, I believe you were right, Natasha.

07:10I talked about

07:11>> Okay.

07:11>> because I had asked Joe Roman about this

07:13because they were pushing to make

07:15everything kind of universal across the

07:18board and because it's not all it's not

07:20a requirement. Um they said that they

07:23were encouraging us to not do it

07:26>> to not add the the public attendance

07:29unless they were obviously speaking.

07:30>> Okay.

07:31>> Just to be more uniform and

07:34>> disagree with that, but that's what she

07:37that's what she said to make it more

07:40uniform

07:41>> just across.

07:42>> I think I think we're losing something

07:44in doing that in acknowledging that

07:46there are members of of the public that

07:49come to these meetings. they don't

07:51necessarily speak, but that they're

07:53involved. So, I mean, I'm not

07:57>> That's a very good point, Leslie. It's

07:58something that I'll definitely bring up

08:00>> with John. [snorts] I mean, it's just or

08:03Okay. Either one. It's just people are

08:06>> making an effort to attend and I think

08:08that there's

08:10>> an acknowledgement that they were

08:11present.

08:12>> Yeah.

08:12>> I wonder if the other commissions boards

08:16don't put out an a list, a signin sheet.

08:19Um I just I feel like I mean I do sort

08:21of agree that just having that as part

08:23of the public record is important. Um

08:26not just the people who speak but those

08:27who attend.

08:29>> Right. But if the town decides that

08:30that's I mean that's fine. It's just we

08:32have time. Yeah.

08:33>> Okay.

08:35>> All right. Anything else?

08:39>> Not

08:41anybody else.

08:42>> Um yeah 5 A2. It says the North Union

08:48Plane Service has a large drop off.

08:52>> North Union Field.

08:54>> Huh?

08:54>> It's the North Union Field. Where is

08:56that?

08:56>> 5A 5A 2.

08:59>> Yeah. The department was asked to submit

09:01a 5-year project. Uh North Union play

09:04surface. North Union Field I should say.

09:07>> Um it's the baseball diamond where the

09:09soccer field kind of come through.

09:11There's a big drop off there. Um, so I

09:14think for clarity in the North Union

09:20are acceptable accessible. Is that what

09:23it is?

09:23>> No. Uh, pling surface has a large drop

09:26off requiring 150,000 of work.

09:28>> Oh. Oh.

09:29>> This includes the stairway and retaining

09:31wall.

09:34>> Or

09:39there are actually two.

09:42>> Great.

09:44All right.

09:46>> Yeah,

09:48>> there's a lot of stairs there. I don't

09:49think they are all necessary.

09:51>> Yeah. So,

09:52>> okay. Right.

09:54>> And they're not

09:55>> They're not.

09:58>> All good. Otherwise.

10:00>> All right. Does somebody want to make a

10:02motion?

10:02>> Motion to approve.

10:04>> As amended

10:06as amended.

10:08>> Second. Okay. All those in favor?

10:11>> All right. Thank you.

10:13We're just cruising through September

10:1522nd. Leslie, go first.

10:199:22. Okay.

10:31Um

10:33this

10:36wasn't numbered. So the proposal

10:38biodiversity assessment um the first

10:42paragraph I would suggest inserting may

10:46contain identification errors but not

10:49that it will contain and may contain

10:53>> um

10:55paragraph seven

10:58and again you know water bodies working

11:00group

11:02which is a concom working group I don't

11:05know that that's here.

11:07>> Where is it?

11:08>> The last paragraph in that section.

11:11>> Okay.

11:12>> In section B.

11:14>> B on the proposal.

11:22>> Yeah.

11:25Mr. It starts with Mr.

11:27>> Yeah. Okay. So how how do you

11:29>> I just um stated that the water bodies

11:33group

11:33>> stated it was the water bodies working

11:36group

11:38>> which is

11:39>> yeah

11:41uh

11:42>> which is which is a working group of

11:47the um

11:48>> which is a con.

11:50>> Okay.

11:52And then correspondence. There was just

11:55a typo in the correspondence should be

11:58issues not.

12:09>> Yep.

12:10>> Top top of page. Yep.

12:16[clears throat]

12:20>> You got a date. Mhm.

12:22Um, thanks.

12:23>> Oh, are you all done?

12:24>> I am. Thank you.

12:27>> In the U. Sorry. Sorry. In the

12:30correspondence to the top of the page,

12:31you said where

12:32>> it's just um issued its issues. Got you.

12:37Sorry.

12:39>> Could you document multiple places?

12:41>> Sorry Josh, I cut you off.

12:42>> That's okay. Um under the discussion uh

12:47B McClennon's skate park proposal

12:51second paragraph starting with Miss

12:53Mayor it says Mr. Fenos concurs stating

12:56that there will be minimal added

12:57elements. I don't think I said elements

13:00I think I said added minimal added area

13:03but if anyone

13:04>> said the that the element the major

13:06element was the rolling pavement so they

13:09weren't going to be like added ramps and

13:10jumps and things like that.

13:13I think it's like standalone

13:15>> equipation

13:19>> potentially. I just I don't want to. We

13:22are changing up the features

13:26so I don't know. I thought we were

13:28talking about whether we were going to

13:30be adding square footage.

13:33>> No, we're not adding square footage.

13:35No, but it sound I thought the

13:38discussion we were saying

13:41there were minimal pieces of equipment

13:44elements

13:46>> stand

13:52>> because most of you said most of it was

13:54going to be the terrain that

13:56>> that's right which is full of elements

13:58that's why I'm not

14:01>> so let's go with standalone equipment

14:03Got it. Y got it.

14:04>> It's a simp simpler design.

14:07>> Yeah.

14:07>> Yeah.

14:08>> It's just that the surface will contain

14:10all of these elements built in.

14:12>> Okay.

14:13>> Features, but

14:15>> they're not standalone pieces that can

14:17be bolted on or off.

14:20>> Moved around or purchased separately.

14:23>> But it's a it's a layout that has lots

14:26of

14:27>> lots of

14:29>> Yeah. Perfect.

14:32>> Um, the other thing in that is it says

14:34currently in the data gathering and

14:36survey stage which we're not

14:39>> we just

14:40>> the first paragraph under B.

14:43>> Oh, okay.

14:43>> We we don't even have the contract yet

14:46or it's still going. I think I think

14:47what we were talking about the data

14:49gathering is uh just the 21 new stuff

14:51the sol I think I was referencing the

14:53solid waste stuff um gathering

14:55information about mcclennen as it

14:58pertains to the closed landfill.

15:02>> So so what is that

15:04>> abbreviation

15:05>> um

15:08>> data gathering for

15:11>> currently so what I was really trying to

15:13say is like currently um reviewing

15:18Mass D.

15:19>> Mass D.

15:20>> Okay. [snorts]

15:22>> Information

15:24>> from the re from the Reedsburg

15:26conversion project.

15:27>> Yeah. So that we can relate that to

15:31>> proposal

15:32>> for the proposal.

15:37>> Okay. Anything else here?

15:47Okay. No other questions or comments?

15:51Anybody want to make a motion?

15:52>> A motion to approve as amended.

15:56>> I need a second.

15:58>> Second. Sorry.

15:59>> All those in favor?

16:01>> I

16:03was

16:05out.

16:08>> Okay. So, now we'll move into

16:10[clears throat]

16:11the public comment section. Um, was

16:14there anybody I got you? Is there

16:16anybody else who wanted to speak who

16:18isn't already on the agenda? No. Um,

16:21okay. Just a reminder. Um, when you

16:25speak, you will have three minutes and

16:28please just state your name and as

16:32this so I could reach the room. Um, I

16:35have a public comment about public

16:36comment. Um I I want to first say I

16:39think it's a big improve Oh sorry Liz

16:41Griezber U 20 precinct and committee

16:44member. Um I think it's a big

16:46improvement to move it from the end of

16:48the meeting to earlier in the meeting

16:50but I still think it limits

16:51opportunities for public engagement. Um

16:54if people come and sit through a meeting

16:56and want to comment on items on the

16:58agenda it's impossible to do so if

17:00you're here at the beginning and you

17:02hear the discussion after that

17:03opportunity has passed. I've noticed at

17:06the ARB meetings that they do allow

17:08public to comment on different issues

17:11during on the agenda. They do the same

17:13protocol that you do where they limit

17:15the amount of time that people speak and

17:17they don't respond to the comments. But

17:19there it's a more appropriate dynamic

17:21for giving the public that attends the

17:23meeting an opportunity to comment on the

17:26agenda that's being reviewed that week

17:28without requesting to be on the agenda

17:31at the following meeting, which is kind

17:33of doesn't make a lot of sense. So, I'd

17:35like to respectfully request that the

17:37commission consider changing the dynamic

17:39more along the lines of what the ARB is

17:41doing to engage the public more um more

17:44effectively.

17:45>> Okay. Thank you, Liz.

17:50Are are there um

17:53guidelines from

17:56the

17:58>> town? Not that I'm aware of. Um I think

18:01every part every commission does things

18:04a little bit differently how they where

18:06they put their public comment how they

18:09interact with that. Um so I can I'd be

18:11happy to sort of like review and see if

18:12there is a best policy. Um I know you

18:15know in speaking for the for the board

18:18of health when I was there. Anything

18:20that was a hearing um folks had the

18:22right and the right to comment. It was

18:25required um to engage the the public on

18:28on hearing type of things. Um I'm not as

18:31familiar with the park and recreation

18:33piece of things, but I would think that

18:34if we were carrying a hearing on um

18:37designs or things like that, then that

18:39would absolutely be part of what we

18:41would want to have public comment on. Um

18:43these other special event requests and

18:45and discussion items, I I don't know.

18:47I'm happy to review other uh agendas and

18:51just see how they worked out. I don't

18:52know what the zoning

18:55>> experience AB and Kong

18:59allow from from my experience they allow

19:04public comment for hearing items like

19:07they're they will hold hearings on

19:09particular subjects but I'm not aware

19:12that they

19:14generally open up

19:17you know con business discussions like

19:21if they're reviewing so if we have a

19:23presentation

19:25would we then open up to a hearing

19:28We don't really have

19:29>> well we what we do what we do instead of

19:31hearings is um

19:34>> like a published meeting about a

19:36particular

19:37>> about projects

19:38>> before we approve something.

19:40>> Yeah. Which we do allow

19:41>> Yeah.

19:42>> public which we build in public comment

19:45into when we're doing project

19:48design reviews or things like that.

19:51Okay.

19:52>> Would that be under like the discussion

19:54items?

19:56I mean, is there like a category in here

19:57that we would put that under?

20:00>> We'd have to look at. I mean, when we do

20:03a project, we do

20:05>> we do it.

20:06>> Yeah.

20:08>> We always We've always done that.

20:10>> Well, why don't we if you want to just

20:12ask about it and then you and I can

20:15>> I can also look and see what other

20:16communities do.

20:17>> Okay.

20:18>> We used to do it that way, right? But we

20:21didn't have a time limit.

20:22>> We used to do it.

20:24>> Yeah.

20:24>> Yeah. twice,

20:26>> right? Just do it once at the end. I

20:28think that's a fair point

20:30>> because otherwise you're

20:33>> you can't comment on the that night's

20:35agenda,

20:36>> right? But we had we had we had we had

20:38moved it so that people weren't here

20:40during the entire meeting till 9:30.

20:42>> Okay.

20:43>> And um waiting to just speak to us

20:46quickly

20:48>> and just make a point. So that's why we

20:50moved it. It's almost like two

20:52opportunities, multiple opportunities,

20:54>> right?

20:55>> If they can a

20:57>> those

20:59comment after presentations and they

21:01they've got the timing down. They're

21:02really careful about it. They manage the

21:04timing really well. So people can

21:06comment on presentations and I don't

21:08>> but they're about specific projects

21:11about hearing. It's about a case.

21:13>> It's not exactly a hearing though, but

21:14it's not.

21:17>> I know what you're saying. Yeah, I think

21:19they're called hearings.

21:21>> Zone. Most municipal zoning boards did

21:23not interact with it that way. I say

21:25every every case that comes before them

21:28is called a public hearing.

21:30>> Yes.

21:30>> Individual public hearing. It has case

21:32number and all that. And then you're

21:33allowed the public is allowed to comment

21:36>> and ask questions or just comment. And

21:38there's not necessarily discussion

21:39that's engendered. It just happens.

21:41>> Yeah.

21:41>> And that seems reasonable. It seems like

21:42we need to find maybe a place

21:45>> open and close. Yeah.

21:46>> Yeah. But within our agenda that

21:48happens.

21:50>> Yeah, if that's happening.

21:52>> Thanks for bringing that to our

21:53attention. Thank you.

21:55>> All right. Um, moving into special

21:58events and requests.

22:01>> Do you want to introduce the

22:03>> Yes, I'd be happy to. So, uh, I'm happy

22:05to introduce, um, Elizabeth Elizabeth

22:08uh, Maldari. I said that right. Yes. Um

22:11she is the senior transportation planner

22:13uh for the uh planning department here

22:16in town. And you may recall John Allesie

22:18had come before us um to talk about the

22:20project over at the Ed Burns Arena um

22:23Ryder Street Edurns kind of connection

22:25to the bike path over there. I had

22:27provided a memo to the commission and

22:29just kind of outlining um uh Elizabeth

22:31is here to kind of pick up where John

22:33had left off. I know uh the last time

22:35John was here, he had shown us some

22:37conceptual designs um and there had been

22:39some feedback back and forth. So I think

22:41we're excited. Um do you have a

22:43presentation or anything you want to put

22:44up on the board or

22:45>> I actually well yeah I have the same

22:48slides that I sent you that are just the

22:50designs. Um and that was Thank you for

22:54that recap. I'm glad to. [laughter]

22:56So, as probably everyone here is

22:58familiar with my predecessor, John

22:59Allesie, and you also probably met with

23:01him more than a year ago because that is

23:04how long the position has been vacant.

23:06So, I'm just coming in. I started on

23:08August 10th. I'm very happy to be here.

23:10It's been great so far. But also, just

23:12thank you. Also, just getting caught up

23:14to speed on the many projects. And so,

23:17um, this project in particular, and

23:20maybe I'll move some people like turn me

23:22all the way around. Does that work? I

23:23don't want to block you, but I'll just

23:25so there um over.

23:29>> Okay, Natasha, if you want, I can also

23:31connect and I have it on my computer and

23:34either one is fine if let's see if we

23:36have it here and if this isn't the right

23:37one, then we'll have you connect. Just

23:38give us 10 more seconds.

23:40>> Okay. Um and and while you're doing

23:42that, I can, you know, some background

23:44about this project which may have been

23:46already shared. Um we are looking to

23:48make improvements at the Yes. Okay.

23:51>> At the Edurn [snorts] Rider Street uh

23:54inter like the entrance point to the

23:57bike way. Um and really from my

24:00understanding

24:01um one of the reasons that this

24:03particular entrance was selected is

24:06because of planned work um from MWR, the

24:10Massachusetts Water Association, um

24:13where they're replacing pipes along this

24:16segment. And so they're going to be um

24:18digging up and then also eventually

24:21changing the easement at that corridor.

24:24And so while they're are not planned

24:26until the winter of 2029, I think it's

24:29smart that we continue to advance these

24:31plans. We have a consultant who's

24:33working with us to get to 100% design so

24:36that we can continue as they're making

24:38their plans for how they're going to

24:40manage their project. they know that

24:42when they're putting that back and

24:44repaving it, we have some designs that

24:46we all feel good about to present to

24:48them so that they can repave and

24:50resurface in [snorts] the way that we're

24:52asking. Um, the other amenities,

24:55those are the things that we want to

24:57discuss and I want to get your feedback.

24:59So, the last time that you had a

25:00presentation about this, you saw three

25:02different concepts, A, B, and C. Um,

25:05they selected A to advance and I do have

25:08some notes that our consultant forwarded

25:10to me. um about the reasoning why and so

25:13I can try my best to address.

25:15>> Do you have an image of the day by

25:18chance that we could throw up here?

25:20>> I probably Yeah, I could I could pull it

25:22up. Does it uh work for me to email it

25:24to you? Okay.

25:25>> You want to just email it right to me

25:26and forward it to Jeff?

25:27>> Absolutely. Uh, while I'm getting this,

25:30are there any questions or thoughts

25:33anyone has about how these two projects

25:35are interconnected and um what like the

25:40timeline or how we're going about this

25:41is?

25:43>> Well, I know that there had been

25:44questions about have have the issues

25:47been resolved about the fact that it's a

25:49road.

25:51You do you mean like used by vehicles to

25:55>> well get onto the road or

25:56>> it that is Ryder Street crosses

26:03through I mean

26:04>> it's not just a parking

26:06>> Huh.

26:06>> Yeah. So that was one of the concerns

26:08that I did read about was that people

26:10are crossing the bike way in their

26:12vehicles

26:13>> cuz it's a road.

26:14>> Um okay. So, the plan right now is to

26:18put a gate that you can see in that

26:20design in the top right corner that um

26:23would actually prohibit the vehicles

26:25from being able to enter, but it would

26:27have a key so that um maintenance staff,

26:30emergency vehicles would still be able

26:32to open the gate. So, it would, you

26:34know, bring plows through, but um would

26:37not be open to everyday traffic.

26:40>> What about from the other side? Um, so I

26:43think right now the other side has not

26:47the same design of that full gate, but

26:49something similar that's like a paired

26:51down version to it. I think most of the

26:54maintenance facilities would come from

26:56the top part. So there's not as much

26:59need for there to be like this

27:00contraption where it would still be able

27:01to

27:02>> I don't think the concern was always

27:03about maintenance. I think the concern

27:05was about mostly out of town people

27:08coming to the to the rink for games or

27:12events and so

27:14>> they would either Google Maps or

27:16whatever would send them down Rider

27:18Street and they would

27:20>> go up and over um an issue a couple

27:23years ago with people parking

27:25>> on the bike path. So I heard that Yeah.

27:29So I heard about that. Um I saw in the

27:32notes that there was a um

27:36uh I think our consultant was planning

27:38to reach out to ways which had been

27:40identified as like one of the apps that

27:43was directing people. I think Google

27:45maps wasn't doing it and um I forget if

27:47Apple maps was but then ways

27:49specifically was doing that. there was

27:51an um idea to reach out to them but then

27:55also through the infrastructure we would

27:57mitigate some of that and make it very

27:59clear that not for a vehicle to pass

28:03through.

28:04>> Yeah, because um it is a it's considered

28:08a road. I'm curious how

28:13>> Okay.

28:13>> I guess I'm personally just curious how

28:19>> Oh, what? That was our That was our That

28:21was our

28:22>> use. Oh, yeah. I was going to ask where

28:24the was that you mentioned.

28:27>> Oh, for MW. So, the

28:31>> Okay. Okay.

28:32>> Yeah, it it goes right now. It pretty

28:34much goes through the center of the bike

28:36path right there. goes up rider and then

28:38um turns to the right and they're

28:43proposing to shift it south because the

28:45replacement of the pipe will be a little

28:47bit further south from there. So right

28:50now um most of the trees that are

28:52planted there are in the easement those

28:54are not really permissible. Um there is

28:57on this design that is up right now

29:00there is a proposed um water fountain.

29:03They mentioned that wouldn't be

29:04permissible in the current placement of

29:06the easement. However, um over the next

29:10few years after they've replaced the

29:11pipe, they would be working with MBTA,

29:13who um has jurisdiction over the bike

29:16path to move the easement down. But

29:19that's a long legal process. And so

29:23really, this is going to be a phased

29:24approach because we're going to first do

29:26the paving. We could probably put the um

29:30gates in, but anything that would

29:33require

29:35planting, excavation,

29:38water fountain, these types of amenities

29:40in the easement would really not be

29:42until after that is moved.

29:45>> I just pulled up.

29:46>> I found the designs from John.

29:48>> Oh, you did think you're faster than

29:50[laughter] I thought I could multitask.

29:51>> No, it's okay. I knew you were busy.

29:53>> I had some good questions. So, and I'm

29:55going to just note about um just to know

29:59exactly about this throughway. So, is

30:00the question about

30:03leaving it as a point of enter entrance

30:06for people who are trying to access

30:08parking around the arena? It seems I

30:11think it's going to depend a design that

30:13a design that we had seen previously

30:18and maybe maybe this has been rectified

30:21and the design but we had seen something

30:24that created this it was like a plaza

30:28space but it was in the middle of what's

30:31considered a roadway.

30:33>> I wonder if that might have been concept

30:36C which if we it's probably in that same

30:39deck. Yeah. So, it does look like it's

30:40concept.

30:41>> No.

30:41>> Does that look like the plaza that

30:43you're

30:45>> No.

30:45>> No.

30:46>> No. So, it looks like maybe that was

30:48taken.

30:49>> So, there's no longer going to be um

30:52island lake there,

30:53>> right?

30:54>> Cuz I can't find that design. But I do

30:56know

30:57>> remember that discussion

30:59we had seen that were concerned that it

31:02>> it is a road. It's like it's it's an old

31:04railroad crossing.

31:06>> Yeah. So,

31:08um, so I'll be honest, I don't know what

31:11you're referring to. This this is what I

31:13saw. These are the most recent design.

31:16So, I I can't speak to that, but

31:19>> from what I know, they probably were,

31:22you know, whatever that conversation

31:23sounds like they

31:24>> incorporated it into um so concept A is

31:28what we're talking about.

31:30>> Yes. Because this one was determined to

31:32have the least amount of conflict

31:34potential between the different modes.

31:35The idea is to really ease all of you

31:38know pedestrians and cyclists. They're

31:40going at very different speeds and um we

31:43want to have people be able to be eased

31:45into this and have some speed mitigation

31:48here. So, in the actual designs, you'll

31:50also see that there's right at Ryder

31:52Street, there's kind of this um almost

31:55looks like a roundabout, but it's would

31:58be flush to the ground, but it would

32:00kind of enable some movement around to

32:03ease pedestrians into the walking path.

32:06Um, and then also to have bikes be more

32:09aware that they're approaching a

32:11potential conflict point. Um, because

32:13right now it's not so clear to people, I

32:16think, as they're passing through. So

32:18>> is there a different slide that shows a

32:20roundabout?

32:22>> Yeah, if we go back to the um

32:24>> So it's not this design.

32:25>> These are just concepts, but this um one

32:28is so see that circular. Okay. So this

32:32is what you're this is where you are

32:34right now,

32:34>> right? And so this is an advancement of

32:36that a concept from the previous slide

32:39incorporating community engagement that

32:41was done I think with this committee.

32:45And can I ask is this sort of like the

32:48bike path coming down and this is like a

32:51a bridge or something that people can

32:53either walk on or ride the bike on or

32:55>> it Yeah, it's it's not a bridge. It's

32:57like a widening just a sort of a more

32:59meandering path that would bring

33:00pedestrians around and would be an

33:02additional entrance from that field that

33:05is right there. And I think there might

33:07be botchi courts

33:09>> instead going into

33:12>> So we're opening a fence.

33:13>> Yes. Yeah.

33:14>> Yeah. We had talked about

33:15>> we talked about that in depth.

33:17>> Okay. And what um do you have thoughts

33:20about

33:21>> a lot of concerns?

33:22>> We have a lot of concern.

33:23>> We have a lot of concerns. Yeah.

33:24>> About opening the fence and and

33:29I think the discussion was the fact that

33:32it's as an active playing field.

33:36Our concern is that [snorts] what was

33:40being described to us was an opportunity

33:43to have bikes and pedestrians

33:48able to access directly into the field.

33:51And when it's an active playing field,

33:53that's there's conflict. That just

33:55introduces conflict because people are

33:58going to be crossing over

33:59>> to go over to uh go across the field

34:04>> to the corner at Summer Street and

34:08Forest

34:10>> which offse in the winter months when

34:12there's snow you can see a very clear

34:14path.

34:14>> Yeah.

34:15>> From the corner up to up where Arlington

34:18Little Cafe is. Yeah.

34:19>> Straight across.

34:20>> Straight across. And it it becomes a a

34:23cow path. Yeah,

34:24>> we we've seen that. We had one at her

34:27field where the people used to cross

34:29over from the reservoir and go toward

34:33the MDTA station and they wear a path in

34:36the playing field.

34:38>> So, right now there's there's a fence

34:40there so people can't

34:42>> Oh, no. I'm I'm just wondering is there

34:44a fence? Currently, there's a fence,

34:46right?

34:46>> Currently, there's a fence. Um, is there

34:49a desire line for people to enter from

34:52that

34:53>> point?

34:55Enter from Ryder.

34:57>> They have to go up the street.

35:00>> I mean, it looks like we do have a a

35:02fence.

35:02>> This is the second fence.

35:04>> This is at the baseball field, that

35:05fence. So, they have to to go to the

35:07field. If we had that entrance and

35:10people wanted to get to the field, then

35:11they'd be cutting across here and

35:13around. So I think that was the trying

35:15to maintain that fence line would have

35:17the appropriate entrance into the botchi

35:20and the exercise area and the courts.

35:23>> So how far does this go into the that's

35:25kind of like a park area. How far It's

35:29hard to tell from here like you know

35:31this is the bike path. The park the

35:33fence is like right there. Do you have

35:34any idea like how much that encroaches

35:36on the current park area that's there

35:39because we've got the botchi for we've

35:40got an exercise sort of area there. It

35:43does it all.

35:44>> It doesn't it doesn't

35:50>> Yeah. Okay.

35:52>> But it but it does look like there's a

35:53new chain link fence that's sort of

35:57curved.

35:58>> Yeah. So they would they're proposing

36:00that they would remove the fence that's

36:02there, add this fence that does curve,

36:04but it wouldn't encroach onto like the

36:06botchi court that's there or the the

36:08>> I think that's fine except that I

36:09>> But there's an entrance fence goes all

36:11the way across. It's it's a very long

36:14fence.

36:16>> So they're taking down all of the the

36:18entire fence.

36:21>> No, I don't think they're taking down

36:22the entire fence. I think that they

36:24would leave most of the fence, but then

36:26they would add this additional

36:29space where already there's some benches

36:32and there's uh you just can't get

36:35through. So, they're looking to bump it

36:38out and then open the make an opening

36:40there. So, it would be an additional

36:42entrance. Um,

36:44>> yeah, I think that whole portion shifted

36:46down from the earlier concept

36:48>> because we talked about that making a

36:50connection to the park portion,

36:53>> right, or that playground fitness

36:55portion, botchi courts versus having it

36:58closer to that intersection where it

37:00wouldn't create that that cow path. So,

37:03I think they've actually responded to

37:04our comments. Granted, it was a year

37:07ago.

37:08>> Um, but we did talk about that. No, I

37:11and I actually am not having too much of

37:13an issue with the with that opening

37:15there. I just am confused about then it

37:18looks like the fences are coming

37:19together at an angle like there's a

37:21curved fence. Scott, can you point to

37:23it? There's a curved fence.

37:25>> Zoom in

37:26>> there and then our fence connects the

37:29existing fence on each side.

37:31>> So, yeah. So, they just cut the opening,

37:34>> put the new and then

37:37>> So, you're adding a curve. I I guess I

37:39don't do we need that if there's really

37:44>> um I think it's maybe to create this

37:47little park space within the trail. Um

37:50because it it looks to me and I'm you

37:52know happy to follow up but I thought it

37:55looked like there would be this section

37:57where there are you know the trees but

37:59then that space in the center where

38:01there is the little entrance is where um

38:05there's like a gradual entrance. It's

38:07more

38:08like a, you know, a little paved park

38:11inside of the bike ride.

38:12>> Yeah. Which I I think is nice. I'm just

38:14having trouble visualizing

38:16>> if there if the fences are coming at an

38:18angle from a maintenance perspective.

38:20What's happening to this area?

38:23>> Let me ask the I'll ask you shown here

38:26and then we could also talk about

38:27>> I don't know how that'll be maintained

38:29[cough] or cleaned. It seems like it'll

38:31be a garbage gathering.

38:33>> Oh, okay. Right. It's just a little

38:36corner there.

38:40>> Will they be doing another um

38:43like this is a I know this is a

38:45conceptual design but like a uh what's

38:47the word? Like a 3D or something of it

38:50or [snorts] like

38:52>> Yeah, they I mean

38:54uh as we get to 100% design I think

38:56these will

38:57>> become you know more and more detailed.

39:01Yeah.

39:04For the setback.

39:05>> So,

39:06>> oh the fence is pointing out that the

39:09fence they're connecting the curved

39:11fence.

39:12>> So, our fence would then stop and it

39:14start to curve and then it would meet

39:16back up existing.

39:17>> That's better.

39:21>> So, it's not integrating that section

39:24with our [snorts]

39:26little park area.

39:28>> It is. Well, there is a

39:29>> there's an opening.

39:31>> There's an opening there

39:32>> just into the park area, but then not

39:35[snorts] to the field area.

39:36>> No, there's an additional I think it's

39:39okay. I think it's just a welcoming into

39:41the botchi area which is underneath

39:44anyway,

39:44>> which would be very nice because there's

39:46a lot there's a tree.

39:50[clears throat]

39:50>> We're not doing another

39:53that would be a nice

39:55>> Yes, that would be a nice

39:57>> area.

39:58Sorry, we're trying to conceptualize

40:00everything here.

40:02>> Yeah, it's really different from what we

40:05originally saw. So, this is just the

40:07first time I think we

40:08>> but also there's two fences there. So,

40:10like where we have the botchi court and

40:11the the basketball like all that area.

40:14There's the fence that abuts the minivan

40:16bike path and then there's another fence

40:17that abuts the field which the field

40:21hockey team when they were playing there

40:22would go right up against the fence

40:23there. And I think the concern was that

40:25that was the fence that was going or

40:27potentially. So we were like, "Wait,

40:28what's happening here?" It's not. It's

40:30the fence. The fence we're talking about

40:31is the fence that's on the bike way, not

40:34the fence that abuts the field. [snorts]

40:35So two different spaces.

40:38>> Um, and then I was thinking from this

40:40that we were going into the park area

40:42where the botchi court is. And I've

40:44actually gotten some feedback that, you

40:46know, folks would like to actually have

40:47those back up and running and and nice.

40:49So I was like, "Wait, what? How's this?"

40:50So

40:51>> this is a nice

40:51>> I think we got it. This is Well, I did

40:54look up if I could take the botchi balls

40:56out of the libraries. They have like a

40:58library of things and it's currently

41:00out. So, someone's someone's playing

41:03botchi somewhere

41:04>> somewhere somewhere.

41:05>> Probably at the beach. [laughter]

41:10>> So, what is the timeline for this?

41:12>> So, the construction is not planned

41:14until the winter of 2029. So, we are a

41:17couple years out. Um, and the timeline

41:22to get to 100% design. So cozy.

41:27Um, plan to get to 100% design is, uh, I

41:31I think we're aiming to wrap that up

41:33this summer. Okay.

41:34>> So, you know, there's still plenty of

41:38time for us to continue to offer

41:40feedback. I think my intention was just

41:41to say, "Hey, this project didn't

41:44disappear. The consultant has still

41:46advanced designs." and just to, you

41:48know, really get your reactions to it

41:50and see what I can learn about, you

41:53know, what what how how is this looking

41:56right now as it is and how can we

41:58continue to refine it

41:59>> and then it's been narrowed down to

42:00concept A, not B or C. So, I think

42:03that's

42:03>> Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it could be forwarded

42:05to us to to give it a

42:07>> good job, Jeff.

42:08>> To give an up close look.

42:10>> Yeah.

42:11>> Yeah. And I I think as as it progresses

42:14and if you have further designs, it

42:17would be great for us to see those will

42:20have another chance for a final input or

42:23before the summer.

42:25>> Maybe you come back at some point.

42:27>> I think that I think so. Um so tomorrow

42:30I'm going to be doing this presentation

42:33to presentation but presenting it to the

42:36transportation advisory committee. Um,

42:38and there's also another portion of this

42:42that is to look at what the detour is

42:45going to be during the MWR construction

42:48phase, but it, you know, is going to be

42:51down through mass app like it's it's a

42:53separate. So, tomorrow we're going to

42:54spend probably less time really getting

42:56into the design of this and more

42:57discussing

42:59>> this detour that will be necessary. Um

43:03and and the next step is that I'm going

43:05to share the comments and just you know

43:08provide some additional timeline

43:11ideas to our consultant about how this

43:13could be comfortable. Let them know that

43:15we really can't actually put a water

43:18fountain like these little things that

43:20you know there's going to be a bit of a

43:21drawn out process through the

43:23construction. Um, but I just made a note

43:26that you would like to see any followup

43:28in any other revisions and it might be

43:30helpful to have something that's a

43:31little more illustrative because this is

43:34>> it's pretty technical. Yeah.

43:36>> And um yeah, totally get it. So, uh, if

43:39that sounds good, I'm happy also to

43:41Yeah,

43:42>> I would also like and if you're taking

43:44comments would like to propose that

43:46there is a um

43:48like a little bike path amenity

43:50workstation. often times you see public

43:53like ranch stations and I think that

43:55would be a great place by the blue bikes

43:57pad that is proposed.

43:59>> Okay. I think that there was

44:02something that I saw somewhere. So it

44:07okay I'm not seeing it right now in

44:09these things but yes I think that's a

44:11great suggestion. Um,

44:13>> the place I think I saw that noted was

44:15on MW saying you cannot put this bike

44:19station bike station on until the ement

44:21is moved. So that's why I'm thinking

44:23about it. But I

44:24>> but if that could be incorporated as

44:26like an amenity for users that would be

44:28great.

44:29>> And then I think I [clears throat] want

44:30to go back to one of the first comments

44:32that we had. I think it's really

44:33important to understand

44:36what Ryder Street is and legally what is

44:41required to be because that's sort of a

44:45it's been something that we've come back

44:46to many times when we're talking about

44:49that area, whether it's about the rank,

44:50whether it's about anything.

44:53It would be great if someone could

44:55figure out what that can be and how we

44:56can close it down in whatever fashion

44:59because it's a really dangerous part of

45:02the bike path. It's a fairly high-speed

45:04part of the bike path

45:05>> and it's like smooth and clear,

45:08>> but that is a major intersection for all

45:11kinds of pedestrians, people that

45:13commute walking to work. It's just a

45:16really big intersection. So,

45:18>> route to the middle. It's a route to the

45:19middle school. I just yeah I just think

45:21that that rider street needs to be

45:23looked at is what is it and what can it

45:25be and what does it have to be legally

45:29who owns it and that's a big issue so

45:31okay

45:31>> I'll put my plug in for that

45:33>> okay thank you

45:34>> yeah and that comes up every time

45:36>> yeah we keep coming back to it and

45:39>> do you want to see what I mean would it

45:40be helpful for us to do like an overlay

45:43of jurisdiction and show because like

45:47I'm understanding there's at least three

45:49layers 84.

45:50>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It would be awful

45:52>> and and whether it can even be locked up

45:55in a way that an emergency vehicle has

45:57to get out and unlock it. I don't know

45:59if that's even possible.

46:01>> Yeah. So, that gate was discussed with

46:03town manager. Um trying to remember if

46:05there was there, but there's there have

46:08been some eyes on it and then MWR saw it

46:11and they were like, well, we would also

46:12need to have access if we need to get

46:14our equipment in. Um so that is being

46:17discussed,

46:18>> right? But I know MBTA can be very

46:21prickly about like they wouldn't allow

46:24>> stairs, right?

46:25>> Stairs or a path. There was a

46:28development done in a section of the

46:32heights and they wanted this development

46:35to have access to the bike path and PTA

46:39wouldn't allow to happen. So they they

46:43can be pretty tough as far as the

46:45easements and the jurisdiction over what

46:47they're allowing.

46:50So ju I would just make sure that that

46:53gets maybe

46:56find someone new when they're when

46:58they're when they turn over or

47:00something.

47:01>> I know some people there. Yeah,

47:03>> I do. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

47:06>> I was just going to make one more

47:07comment about the the sort of entry

47:10points back onto the bike path. I like

47:14the plaza. I think it's lovely. I think

47:16it'll be a nice sitting

47:18um area. I worry because it is such a

47:22high-speed area about people re-entering

47:24the bike path. And I think oftentimes,

47:28especially if they're coming out of the

47:30park and onto this other sort of mini

47:33park and then onto the bike path, that

47:37that there's some sort of

47:41signage or striping in on the path

47:44itself to warn children and parents

47:48maybe that you're about to enter into a

47:50high speed. I mean, it really does feel

47:51like a high speed

47:52>> or tactile at war. some some kind of

47:55warning because

47:57>> we have this very passive park where

48:00there's botchi and now a a new passive

48:02area

48:04>> um that I I think could I just worry

48:07that it would create more safety issues

48:12there

48:13>> in an attempt to make it more safe that

48:15now we're creating different kinds of

48:16issues is my concern. So just throw that

48:19out there.

48:20>> Thank you.

48:21Uh, building a little off what Janice

48:24said, a few meetings ago, we had members

48:26of the public in here to talk about

48:28directional signage in this area. Um,

48:31and I just wonder have you been

48:33considering any kind of sign program for

48:37this this project? Uh, it would just be

48:41I mean since the two areas are going to

48:43be so close, it would be great if we

48:45could coordinate that and made sure

48:47we're not doing any duplication.

48:51So, Adam is referencing the which you

48:53also emailed me the same in the same

48:56email text uh about the directional

48:57signs at Herd Field and the signage that

49:00was done at Uncle Sam Plaza and the

49:02other places was actually done with ARPA

49:04funds and it was upwards of about

49:07$20,000 if those are the signs that we

49:09were sort of talking about. So, um,

49:10Elizabeth had been looking at those

49:13pieces and I I think there isn't really

49:16funding for that at this point, but I

49:18was going to try and take I haven't had

49:19a chance to do it like take a look at

49:20what those signage what those signs look

49:22like um at other locations. We're

49:24talking about the signs I've heard,

49:26right? But

49:26>> yeah,

49:27>> um trying to point towards the amenities

49:29off of the bike path that lead to other

49:31Arlington places. So

49:33>> I don't know what the point of me

49:34interjecting on that was other than to

49:36say

49:37>> that's where the reference is coming

49:38from and I was trying to connect the

49:39dot. Sorry.

49:40>> Yeah. So that was an a collaborative

49:45project that was I think led by it might

49:48have been Lexington but it included

49:50Bedford, Lexington, Arlington and those

49:52kiosks that have the map and they say

49:54like you know the capital district and

49:57kind of point you um one of those kiosks

49:59was about $20,000

50:02to inst like total and it was a big

50:04design project and I think that the wish

50:06is to um maintain some uniform form with

50:11those, but um looking at yeah, how can

50:15we incorporate wayfinding onto the bike

50:19way while uh not

50:23having I mean that's a considerable

50:24investment. I'm really inspired by the

50:27Mystic River Wershed Association just

50:29shared like a um some preliminary ideas

50:32for their wavefinding. They're doing a

50:34whole wavefinding plan and Oh, it's like

50:38Yeah, great. It's very helpful location,

50:41>> of course.

50:42>> Yeah. I mean, it's a real nexus of a lot

50:44of different things and and wonderful

50:46resources. So, I think it's important,

50:47but it it is noted and it's just

50:50something I don't have a great answer

50:52for right now.

50:55>> Okay. Any other comments or questions

50:57from the commission?

50:59>> Thank you.

51:00>> Thank you so much, Elizabeth. Appreciate

51:03it.

51:05>> All right. Moving on.

51:08Um,

51:10do you want to introduce us?

51:12>> Yes. Uh, so thank you so much to Activas

51:15for coming out tonight. Uh, we've got

51:16Mark and Olivia from Activas that are

51:18going to talk to us tonight about our,

51:20uh, field the master study, uh, field

51:22master study, um, and kind of where

51:24they're at in the phase. As you recall,

51:26we started this over the summer. Um,

51:27they've been doing a lot of work. And

51:29so, um, I'll turn it over to you guys

51:31and see if you have a presentation.

51:35>> Can that screen be moved like

51:41slightly

51:42>> in into the opening where there's no

51:50>> I have the problem.

52:12>> [snorts]

52:18>> Can you bring that?

52:22>> Is that what you said? Can you

52:24>> say good?

52:30It's been a long day.

52:49We're just here.

52:51Oh, okay.

52:52>> Oh, no.

52:55[cough]

52:55>> Can't believe you anyway.

52:57>> Okay. Well, oh, there we go. [laughter]

53:00>> Back to the Okay, back to the agenda. Um

53:03thank you guys for having us again. Um

53:06so just uh sort of overview of the

53:11format of this casual presentation. Um

53:14we are going to sort of talk about um

53:17just a reminder what the project is. Um

53:19the review of the 17 field sites that we

53:22were tasked to look at in town. um go

53:24into some of the information that we

53:25collected from the recreation department

53:28and from our stakeholders um for some of

53:30these sites on field use data um go into

53:34some looking at some of those sites in a

53:36little bit more detail um and then talk

53:39about next steps. I think the goal of

53:41this presentation is we've created a

53:44short list from those 17 sites. We are

53:46tasked to for our part of the study to

53:50look at five of them in greater detail.

53:52So producing conceptual designs, cost

53:55opinions um for five parcels as part of

54:00our final report. And right now we have

54:02a short list of seven. So we're hoping

54:04we can get some consensus and some

54:05feedback on what we're presenting based

54:07on that. Um

54:10so jumping forward, just a reminder of

54:13the 17 sites that we're looking at. So

54:16they're all field sites located on town

54:18owned parcels. Um, couple notable

54:21exceptions are the fields at the high

54:24school, some other some smaller fields

54:26that are used for really young levels

54:30of non-competitive youth athletics. Um,

54:33we're also not looking at any of the

54:35fields that are run by Arlington

54:36Catholic. Um, but 17 parcels scattered

54:41throughout the town. Some are located at

54:43schools and some are located in parks.

54:45Um,

54:47and we have been sort of went out over

54:51the summer to do uh on the ground site

54:54analysis and drone imagery. And then

54:56over sort of the end of the summer and

54:58into the fall and then meeting up with

55:00stakeholders, talking to some of them

55:02about how they use the fields and

55:03gathering some feedback from a lot of

55:05your view with athletic organizations

55:08um and school users who might be using

55:11town fields.

55:14Um,

55:17Starting out sort of at the beginning of

55:19this project, we received a pretty

55:20comprehensive use of field scheduling

55:23data from the town. Um, this is kind of

55:27a big chart with a lot of numbers. We'll

55:29go into a lot more detail about what all

55:31these things mean and how we sort of

55:32gathered took the the raw data that was

55:35given to us in the town um and compiled

55:37it into this. That'll be included in the

55:40report with some explanations about what

55:41all this means. But basically what we

55:43did was we took the data that was given

55:45to us by the town. Um we equalize it

55:48because the different different sports

55:51sort of put different amounts of wear on

55:53a natural grass surface. Um you're not

55:56going to have the same amount of wear

55:58and tear on a field, you know, standing

56:00out in the baseball outfield as you are

56:02in a football practice with cleats and

56:04tackling and things like that. So each

56:07of these numbers, they look super super

56:09high. Um it's because they are. It's

56:11because we've been multiplied by

56:12something to sort of equalize the wear

56:14and tear on the field. And what we do

56:17basically is then we have all of this

56:20information divided up by seasons um and

56:24then totaled up at the end. And I'll

56:26bring that to the next slide. So you

56:28have broken it down by fields types. um

56:32baseball, junior baseball, which is like

56:33a little league level, softball, and

56:35then multi-purpose fields, soccer,

56:37lacrosse, football, things of that like

56:40um totaled up into the number of those

56:43different field types you have in town.

56:45And then totaled up that equalized

56:47number of use hours by season. Um we

56:51pulled for this analysis the highest use

56:54season. So like worst case scenario,

56:56this is the most amount of use that your

57:00field will receive within say 10 12

57:02weeks. Um and then we then divide that

57:06by an allowable number of hours and

57:08that's based on research by the sports

57:11turf managers association. Um

57:16we c we categorize the amount of

57:19maintenance that is put on a field. We

57:21received um maintenance program from the

57:24town as well. Um and we sort that into

57:28levels. So we think that year

57:30maintenance which is pretty consistent

57:32with um most municipalities that we see

57:35are sort of maintaining a level between

57:37on the scale of 1 to six. Most

57:39municipalities are maintaining at a

57:41level two level three. So you're

57:42somewhere in the middle of that which is

57:44an allowable hour seasonal hour

57:47allowable hours per season of 300. Um,

57:52so that's per field. Um, so basically

57:54what we do is we take that that maximum

57:56use scenario, which is the total number

57:58of adjusted hours of use that you put on

58:00all of your fields of a certain type

58:03over the course of the season. We divide

58:05that by allowable hours on each

58:08particular field um over the course of

58:10the season. that gives you a goal, a

58:12required number of fields that if we

58:15were to be within that sort of allowable

58:17upper limit, um, we would need in order

58:20to spread that use out, um, and prevent

58:24additional wear on your fields. Um,

58:26you'll see those numbers are pretty

58:28high. Um, so you have a total over

58:31baseball, junior baseball, softball, and

58:33multi-purpose of 30 fields that we

58:35looked at as part of this study. Um, 30

58:38fields at 17 sites. Yes, that's

58:40impressive.

58:41>> Yeah. Um, no, a lot of them are

58:43multi-purpose sites. So, um, it's higher

58:46than that 17 number, but it does not

58:48come even close to the 94 number that we

58:52calculated as part of this um this study

58:55to equalize use over all your fields

58:58within that threshold. So, I'll kind of

59:00put it [laughter] a lot.

59:02>> Yeah, we did.

59:03>> Right. And know Arlington is a it's a

59:06small community um dense community um

59:09bounded by other very dense communities.

59:11So um just put it in a different

59:14standpoint. So if the red is what you

59:16have, the striped is what you need. Um

59:18[laughter]

59:20>> no problem. You'll notice that you know

59:21multi-purpose um it tends to be the

59:24highest. It also tends to be some of the

59:26highest impact sports are played on

59:28those rectangular fields. So, a lot of

59:30it is coming from that that you're

59:32getting a lot more wear and tear on a

59:34football field than you are on a

59:35baseball field. Um, so,

59:39uh, and one of the questions that I

59:41think comes up when we talk about stuff

59:43like this is, okay, we're maintaining at

59:44a level sort of between a two or a

59:46three. Um, what if we do more

59:48maintenance? Um, so we took a look at

59:50that as well and we list out your fields

59:52here. Um, I don't know if you can really

59:54read the numbers up here, but they're

59:56all red, which is not looking [snorts]

59:58great. Um basically what this is saying

1:00:01is that every field in town is being

1:00:04used at over 200% of its recommended

1:00:07capacity. Um the highest use one

1:00:10according to the result that we got um

1:00:12from the town and from the user groups

1:00:14was Hillsill which is being used

1:00:15currently at 623%.

1:00:18capacity and the second column is saying

1:00:21that if we were to maintain a level six

1:00:23which is a professional level of

1:00:25maintenance um we are still seeing that

1:00:28every field is still over 100%. Um most

1:00:31of them are up 200 300% of recommended

1:00:35levels. So, um, knowing that level six

1:00:39renovation is not only unrealistic, but

1:00:42for a community, but it's also, um, not

1:00:44going to solve your problem, um, we can

1:00:46look at start to think about other ways

1:00:49that we could start to reduce that gap.

1:00:51One other way that we look at with a lot

1:00:53of communities is the introduction of a

1:00:55different surface type, um, synthetic

1:00:57turf. um synthetic turf,

1:01:01it not only can um it reduces, so we

1:01:06talked about that that multiplier that

1:01:07we put on to equalize um uses on a

1:01:10natural grass surface. So when you start

1:01:12to introduce synthetic materials, you

1:01:15take that away um because um not only

1:01:18are you not using cleats on a surface

1:01:20usually, but um it's also it can just

1:01:23receive more wear over time and it

1:01:26doesn't have um you don't have to worry

1:01:28about rain um freezing thaw um on that

1:01:32surface putting on the same kind of wear

1:01:33as you do with natural grass. Um so

1:01:36that's why these numbers are kind of you

1:01:38can go from 59 um multi-purpose fields

1:01:41down to 7.4. Not only are you sort of

1:01:43reducing that multiplier that football

1:01:45or soccer would put on the field um but

1:01:48for the purpose of this study um for the

1:01:52amount of use that it can take a

1:01:53synthetic turf field is generally equal

1:01:55to three or four um natural grass

1:01:58fields. So by introducing obviously

1:02:01we're not going to take all of your

1:02:02fields in town and turn them into

1:02:04synthetic turf. But just by intro, you

1:02:06can imagine how just by introducing um

1:02:09maybe a couple surfaces, one or two, you

1:02:11could start to bring that number down um

1:02:14at a factor of more than just a one to

1:02:16one reduction.

1:02:20So yeah, this is just sort of a summary

1:02:22of sort of the ways that we can start to

1:02:24look at reducing some of those overages.

1:02:27Number one is to reduce use hours. Um

1:02:29all of the stakeholders that we talked

1:02:31to say the same thing. Their enrollment

1:02:33is going up. Um they're hurting for

1:02:35field space. Um some of them are even

1:02:38renting space out of town. Um number two

1:02:41is moving use hours to existing turf

1:02:43fields. Um I think that that's a

1:02:46question that might come up as we're

1:02:48talking about some of the um the field

1:02:51use data that we received does still

1:02:52include some high school use. Um we know

1:02:54that a lot of high school use was moved

1:02:56to town fields while those turf fields

1:02:58were being um renovated or constructed.

1:03:02Um so sort of figuring out how that

1:03:06either you used to say they're going to

1:03:07move around or move back to the high

1:03:09school I think is something that a

1:03:10question that we still need answered. Um

1:03:12increasing maintenance we talked about

1:03:14how they might do something but it's not

1:03:15going to solve all the problem. Building

1:03:17new grass fields not super realistic in

1:03:20that community as dense as Arlington.

1:03:22and then some synthetic ch conversions

1:03:24which is something that we can think

1:03:26about exploring as we move into our

1:03:28design phase. So it's a summary of the

1:03:32the data collection that we did. Um we

1:03:36also as part of that reached out to some

1:03:39stakeholders. Um so we engaged with a

1:03:41few groups already. Um Arlington

1:03:44Catholic, Arlington soccer club, youth

1:03:46baseball, softball, youth lacrosse,

1:03:48youth ultimate and of course the

1:03:50recreation department. Um we also

1:03:52reached out to a couple more

1:03:53organizations um via the recreation

1:03:56department. So be Ruth High School and

1:03:58then um youth football and field hockey

1:04:00against our new programs that are sort

1:04:01of getting off the ground. Um we got

1:04:03some response for that those programs um

1:04:06through um some of the the stakeholders

1:04:09that we talked to how sort of um

1:04:12uh are part of that coordination. So um

1:04:15we got some feedback from that but um

1:04:17not a a dedicated meeting with any of

1:04:19those groups yet. Um I think we'll

1:04:22continue to try to stay in contact

1:04:23through this um this process.

1:04:27But um sort of from all that I think we

1:04:30compiled that data. So took the the

1:04:32field use that we got sort of the

1:04:34highest use sites um were an initial

1:04:38basis for looking at this also some of

1:04:40the feedback that we received on these

1:04:42sites um from the stakeholders and we

1:04:46sort of pulled this all into an initial

1:04:49short list of seven sites. Um as I

1:04:52mentioned before we own design and cost

1:04:55opinions for five. So I think the plan

1:04:59is to reduce this down even further. But

1:05:02um

1:05:04to go through sort of starting with

1:05:06major renovations um which are more

1:05:09layout based um potential little surface

1:05:11changes um some of those fields in

1:05:14alphabetical order. We're looking at

1:05:16Hills, uh, Luciano or North Indian Poets

1:05:20Corner, and then Spy Pond Park, and then

1:05:25into more minor renovations, which

1:05:27would, I think, keep the the layout of

1:05:30the park um, largely the same. Maybe

1:05:32look at some minor tweaks. Um, but

1:05:34mostly focused on renovating what's

1:05:37there and um, looking at what kind of

1:05:41amenity upgrades we could make. Um we're

1:05:44looking at Magnolia Park, uh Robelard

1:05:47Field at Summer Street Park, and then

1:05:50Form Dyke Field. Those are all plotted

1:05:52out on the map over here. And I just

1:05:54want to jump in just provide a little

1:05:56bit of context for those seven sites and

1:05:59why we think that some of those sites

1:06:01might make um might make for good

1:06:04potential improvement projects. Um Hills

1:06:07obviously is your your most programmed

1:06:09field right now. Um it because of its

1:06:13sort of central location, it's sort of

1:06:15in between Buckfield and Roard. Um

1:06:17access to bike path, access to public

1:06:20transit right in the middle of town. Um

1:06:22and it makes for a good potential

1:06:25improvement project. Um also when

1:06:27[snorts] we're starting to think about

1:06:30introducing something like turf,

1:06:31potentially introducing um lights, which

1:06:34would increase the amount of hours you

1:06:36could program on a more resilient

1:06:38surface like synthetic turf. um a

1:06:40property that's sort of not surrounded

1:06:43by residential properties um surrounded

1:06:46by other like properties and now

1:06:47Buckfield which is right this way has

1:06:50lights already um so there's there's

1:06:52precedent for it um this could be a good

1:06:55area to explore um introducing some of

1:06:59those things

1:07:03or North Union Park um it's great it's

1:07:06one of your few uh senior baseball

1:07:08fields in Now, um it's also a large

1:07:12grass space for soccer, but they do run

1:07:14over each other, which introduces it's a

1:07:17maintenance challenge and we heard from

1:07:20soccer players especially that running

1:07:22over the infield um is hard on the

1:07:25players. Um it's a potential safety risk

1:07:29for players. Um,

1:07:32and one thing we also noticed is we're

1:07:34trying to sort of move program around

1:07:38between different sites. If we can

1:07:39introduce areas where different sports

1:07:42can practice, um, that's obviously good

1:07:45for getting um, programming off sites

1:07:48that are overprogrammed. Now, um, if we

1:07:51were to change the surface of this site,

1:07:54it's just something we could explore. Um

1:07:57it's a little bit more of a residential

1:07:59area than Hillsdale is. Um but uh the

1:08:03town noted that we used to have they

1:08:05used to have a um a softball field in

1:08:08one of the corners of the field. Um

1:08:09trying to think about on a site this big

1:08:11how we can sort of as we're

1:08:13[clears throat] potential layout

1:08:14improvements the potential to introduce

1:08:17or reintroduce program back into fields

1:08:20like that.

1:08:21um

1:08:25uh poet's corner. Um we know that

1:08:27there's been a lot of talk about how we

1:08:29could reuse this site potential to

1:08:31partner with Belmont Hill with the arch

1:08:33dasis that owns different parts of this

1:08:36site. Um so it's already in sort of that

1:08:39the the conversation in town about how

1:08:41we can reuse this site. Um what drew me

1:08:44to this one is that no one seems to say

1:08:47that anything on this site is really

1:08:50precious. Um, so it's interesting that

1:08:54as opposed to some of those other sites

1:08:56which are very like um, so North Union

1:08:58being a beloved community park um, and

1:09:01then Hill being very small and bounded

1:09:03in by trees on all sides. Um, this is

1:09:06sort of an on-shaped parcel, but um, it

1:09:09provides sort of an opportunity to have

1:09:11a blank slate almost um, for how we

1:09:14could reuse this park. Um, and just

1:09:16knowing that some of that some of that

1:09:18redevelopment process has already been

1:09:20initiated, um, it's a pretty easy sell,

1:09:23I think, to look at this one further in

1:09:25design.

1:09:27Um, and then Spy Ponds Park is one of

1:09:29your largest contiguous field parcels in

1:09:31town. Again, one of your few um, senior

1:09:34baseball fields. Um the grass is in good

1:09:38condition, but I think that just with

1:09:40the the size and the shape of this

1:09:41parcel, just to figure out if there is a

1:09:43way that we could explore um

1:09:46manipulating the layout of this site a

1:09:49little bit to just create a little bit

1:09:52more flexibility, um the potential to

1:09:54get even more soccer into the outfield.

1:09:57We already looked at the courts as part

1:09:59of the court study. So to be able to

1:10:01kind of study a whole parcel rather than

1:10:03sort of drawing a an arbitrary line

1:10:05somewhere down the middle I think um

1:10:08makes a lot of sense as we're thinking

1:10:10about um parks planning.

1:10:13And then from the smaller ones that I'll

1:10:15run through really quickly. Magnolia is

1:10:17one of your most programs parks. Um it

1:10:19does need a lot of regrading. There's a

1:10:21lot of drainage um concerns especially

1:10:24along this shaded tree line over here um

1:10:28and just heavy wear because it's a very

1:10:30very busy area. A lot of um we heard

1:10:32that there's every time they come out

1:10:35there unpro un permitted users out in

1:10:38the field. So, just knowing that a site

1:10:40like this um could use a little bit of

1:10:43TLC, um how can we also knowing that

1:10:47this is a very busy corridor in here um

1:10:50separate the uses a little bit more? Um

1:10:52are there ways to prevent balls say from

1:10:54rolling into the parking lot onto the

1:10:56bike lane? Um that's something that was

1:10:59brought up a couple times that we think

1:11:01would be good to look at. Um Robard

1:11:04Summer Street. Um beautiful fields out

1:11:07here. Obviously, we just heard from the

1:11:09other presentation that there's some

1:11:10thought about doing some improvements to

1:11:12this park back here. Um, so a more

1:11:15holistic um whole park approach would be

1:11:18I think a nice a nice way to sort of

1:11:19bring different planning efforts

1:11:21together. Um, and then just it's a it's

1:11:24a beautiful field and another one of

1:11:26these lovely senior baseball spaces, but

1:11:28I think some of the amenities back here,

1:11:31especially sort of running down the

1:11:32road, um, are there ways that we can

1:11:34improve that? Um, ball control I think

1:11:37was an issue that came up a few times.

1:11:39Trying to make sure that we have fencing

1:11:41and netting to keep things from flying

1:11:42out and hitting people's windows. Um,

1:11:46and how can we make the outfield more

1:11:48flexible? I think we could explore

1:11:50massaging the layout of this park a

1:11:52little bit too. Kind of like spy pond.

1:11:55Um, and [clears throat] then the last

1:11:57one is Thornike. Obviously, we have it's

1:11:59in a flood plane. We have wetlands all

1:12:01down here which kind of limit the

1:12:03potential for introducing um a different

1:12:06material or even um some of the drainage

1:12:09improvements we might be considering.

1:12:11But um I think trying to take a look at

1:12:13what that would mean to start bringing

1:12:16in some some different um some ways to

1:12:20help with the drainage on this site.

1:12:22Help um would help to keep it a little

1:12:25bit greener, prevent some of these wear

1:12:26patterns that we're seeing. This was

1:12:28even back in at the beginning of the the

1:12:30end of the spring, beginning of summer

1:12:32um when you would hope not to see so

1:12:35much wear and you're already seeing wear

1:12:36patterns in this image. Um so knowing

1:12:38that this is also one of your most

1:12:39programmed sites in town, how can we

1:12:41improve this surface so that we can keep

1:12:43programming it up and be able to sort of

1:12:46pair it more effectively with Magnolia

1:12:49Park just just up there um as this like

1:12:51really large multi-purpose complex in

1:12:54town. Um and again some some of the same

1:12:56issues that we talked about in Magnolia.

1:12:58Um ball control, keeping things sort of

1:13:01tight within the site and other sort of

1:13:03improvements that improve the player and

1:13:06spectator experience out here. Um so

1:13:11that was sort of a quick run through of

1:13:14that initial short list that we had. Um

1:13:16we're happy to answer any questions. Um

1:13:18we can talk about any of the other

1:13:20fields that we might not have mentioned

1:13:21in that short list if anyone has any

1:13:23other ideas. We're very excited to hear

1:13:26them. Um, but just feedback.

1:13:32>> Thank you very much.

1:13:34>> Um, yeah, great presentation. When you

1:13:36engage with the Alington youth,

1:13:38baseball, and softball. Uh, did they say

1:13:42they were have they had increasing

1:13:43numbers and increasing need? You said

1:13:46all you said all of the people you

1:13:48engage with.

1:13:48>> Yeah, I did that.

1:13:51I if I recall I think softball was one

1:13:53of the only sport that wasn't um but I'm

1:13:57not it was either I think I think that

1:14:00was pretty much stable softball

1:14:02>> enrollment said that they saw um if I

1:14:07recall correctly they saw things get a

1:14:10little stagnant through co um and since

1:14:13then they started to see a little bit of

1:14:15a resurgence in numbers. Yeah, they've

1:14:17increased

1:14:19>> from their registrance that they send

1:14:20us. They've increased the last few

1:14:22years.

1:14:23>> Okay.

1:14:23>> And softball has too.

1:14:26>> Yeah, I think it

1:14:30>> was excellent. Can I just point out Spy

1:14:34Pond Field is not Spy Pond Park. Okay.

1:14:40>> Because they are they are different.

1:14:42There's a field. There's a field.

1:14:43There's Lynwood Field on at the Spy Pond

1:14:47Park side, but Spy Pond Park is a

1:14:50passive park with playgrounds and

1:14:53doesn't have plain fields.

1:14:56So, if it were to be confused, that

1:15:00would be problematic.

1:15:03>> So, it needs to be identified as five

1:15:05pond fields.

1:15:11other comments or questions.

1:15:14>> If we're going down that road, Hills

1:15:16field,

1:15:21>> which is surprising that it's one of the

1:15:24most programmed fields in town that that

1:15:27one did take me by surprise.

1:15:29>> I did too, but then once I thought about

1:15:30it,

1:15:31>> how would you know it's so nestled in

1:15:34there? You drive by, you don't realize,

1:15:36>> but it doesn't support um

1:15:40>> [snorts]

1:15:41>> I mean, it only supports youth,

1:15:43>> right?

1:15:45>> Can I can I piggy back off that? Um,

1:15:47>> yeah,

1:15:48>> Hills I I'm a little I'm honestly very

1:15:52surprised to see that. Um,

1:15:54>> considering there's no usage there in

1:15:56the summer at all.

1:15:57>> Um,

1:15:58>> and I understand where it might be a lot

1:16:00of usage during the fall and the spring

1:16:03because we have some after school

1:16:05programs there. Um, but the max age like

1:16:09ultimate frisbee's there and they're 6th

1:16:12to 8th grade. Um, and then this taught

1:16:14soccer when they use only a small

1:16:16portion of the field in the mornings.

1:16:18>> Um, so I understand if you're an

1:16:20increase in those, but I feel like the

1:16:21wear and tear on those is a lot less.

1:16:25>> Yeah, [snorts] it's a lot of you guys.

1:16:27>> Yeah, it's a lot of the recreation

1:16:28programs.

1:16:30>> Which recreation programming? So for

1:16:33just context here too, some of the

1:16:35recreation programming can happen during

1:16:37the daytime hours. Right.

1:16:39>> Right.

1:16:39>> So that hour usage the user groups like

1:16:43the soccer clubs may not be using the

1:16:45other spaces. So maybe that's the

1:16:47offset.

1:16:47>> Yeah. I think just the the amount of

1:16:49wear and tear from the age group that's

1:16:51using that field,

1:16:52>> right?

1:16:53>> Uh would surprise me.

1:16:54>> Yeah.

1:16:55>> Yeah, I agree.

1:16:58But that does that feel does get used a

1:17:01lot for soccer.

1:17:02>> Definitely. Definitely. But it's only

1:17:0499, right? But

1:17:05>> I would say the younger ages, correct me

1:17:08if I'm wrong, are more abusive than the

1:17:09older ages.

1:17:11>> Yeah.

1:17:21>> Florence. Florence fall soccer. Like

1:17:23this is there's millions of them.

1:17:30I don't expect them to be as hard on the

1:17:32field. So you're saying,

1:17:33>> "Oh, they are."

1:17:35>> So it's worse.

1:17:37>> Really?

1:17:37>> Yeah. Cuz they just It's exactly that.

1:17:40They're standing around. They're kicking

1:17:42the field. They're pulling up grass.

1:17:43They

1:17:48>> place,

1:17:51do you have a comment?

1:17:52>> Uh I'm curious. You've chosen three

1:17:55fields for minor renovations on the

1:17:57short list here

1:17:59>> and are those just the highest use? I

1:18:01mean that what struck me in the images

1:18:02is that those kind of looked like all

1:18:04our parks to me

1:18:05>> like certain amount of wear, you know,

1:18:08requiring maintenance. So, so I was

1:18:12wondering if there's some other metric

1:18:15we [snorts] can use [clears throat] to

1:18:16determine where minor renovations might

1:18:17happen, whether it's in a community that

1:18:19hasn't had a renovated field lately,

1:18:22something like that. So,

1:18:23>> yeah. No, I think that's I think that's

1:18:25a great data metric. Um yeah, I was kind

1:18:27of we were looking at um looking at the

1:18:30user data um and the parks that kept

1:18:32coming up in conversation um and when we

1:18:35were talking to the stakeholders, but I

1:18:36think yeah looking at some of the more

1:18:38underserved ones I think is also

1:18:39something that we definitely want to

1:18:41take in consideration.

1:18:43I was impressed by how well the

1:18:46department did putting the laying

1:18:47blinds. They were all the fields were

1:18:52illustrated over

1:18:55[snorts]

1:18:56>> I'm I'm curious. You mentioned the

1:18:58baseline. I forget the organization but

1:19:01for recommended 300 hours

1:19:05>> in reality.

1:19:08>> I mean those percentages are off the

1:19:10chart. So like in reality for equivalent

1:19:13you know communities what what are we

1:19:15usually trying to target?

1:19:19>> So when we use the information from the

1:19:21sports field managers association you

1:19:24know it's really the only baseline in

1:19:26order to generate these. So, you know,

1:19:29to give you an overall picture, you're

1:19:33[clears throat] not unlike, as Olivia

1:19:35mentioned earlier, a lot of other

1:19:36municipalities and communities in the

1:19:39greater Boston area. Okay? We've done

1:19:42similar studies even for we'll call it

1:19:46more suburban neighborhoods like Ducks,

1:19:49you know, where they've got a lot more

1:19:51available land. um they have their other

1:19:55issues, you know, they can't irrigate

1:19:57and stuff like that. Um but they have

1:20:00tremendous deficits. It's it's very very

1:20:02rare where we go into a community and we

1:20:05apply those metrics where it doesn't

1:20:07show a deficit. Now, having said that,

1:20:09if we were to bump it up and say 600

1:20:12hours of use, you would still be in a

1:20:14deficit. It's not going to be 59 fields,

1:20:18um but you're still going to be in a

1:20:19deficit. Um, I think what this does is

1:20:22just paint a picture that with the

1:20:24community that you have, which is a

1:20:27growing, vibrant community and a lot of

1:20:29activity and youth sports, which is

1:20:31excellent. It's great to hear. Um, it's

1:20:35next to impossible to keep up with the

1:20:38use um with the current facility that

1:20:42you have and the maintenance practices

1:20:44you have. Um, so you know, it's not to

1:20:48suggest that, hey, listen, you need to

1:20:50come out and turf half your fields and

1:20:53increase the other half to a maintenance

1:20:55level of four or five and try to get to

1:20:59a net zero. uh you know to be even with

1:21:03what the the chart is saying, but it's

1:21:06really to just say, "Hey, listen, you

1:21:08know,

1:21:10we need to focus at some point in the

1:21:13future in in the development or

1:21:15renovation of some of these fields um to

1:21:19try to start chipping away at it. Um and

1:21:24to Olivia's point earlier about

1:21:26synthetic turf, that's an option. I know

1:21:28in some communities synthetic type can

1:21:30be a four-letter word. Um, but it is a

1:21:35critical in my humble opinion. It's a

1:21:40it's a workhorse, you know, um, and

1:21:43where you can implement it. Um, it

1:21:46allows you to start to focus higher

1:21:49levels of maintenance on other fields

1:21:52potentially even like I don't even know

1:21:55with the amount of use you're placing on

1:21:57your fields if you could take a field

1:21:59offline. Um, just because where you're

1:22:01going to put them, right?

1:22:03um but you start to add a synthetic tur

1:22:06field or two um then it starts to change

1:22:09that picture and the and the dialogue

1:22:11around how you're you're going to

1:22:13maintain your facilities, right? Um so

1:22:17really this is just a conversation

1:22:19starter I think. Um and once we get into

1:22:23more of the detailed development once

1:22:27you know five sites are picked um and

1:22:30and we get into the design a little bit

1:22:32further. Maybe some of them are

1:22:34synthetic tur um maybe one of them maybe

1:22:38two of them have legs and what does that

1:22:41do to the overall programming picture?

1:22:44Um and we'll give you that that report.

1:22:47We'll show you how it affects your

1:22:49deficit. Um when we dive further in

1:22:54>> that often times um when you sort of do

1:22:56the the percentage study um you'll see

1:22:59that some there's like a drastic

1:23:01difference between your your highest

1:23:03programs and your lowest programs and

1:23:04that's when you can say sort of like

1:23:06okay what if we how can we reorganize

1:23:09uses um sort of make things a little bit

1:23:11more even. um don't really see that in

1:23:13Arlington, which is to say that a you

1:23:15have a lot of use in town, but also

1:23:17you're doing a pretty good job of

1:23:18spreading use evenly over your fields.

1:23:20Um it's a lot of use. So your fields are

1:23:25being used a lot and heavily, but um

1:23:27you're doing a pretty good job.

1:23:28>> But you did look at whether

1:23:30the right whether the fields

1:23:34as they exist have the right type of

1:23:37use. Like I know in the past there have

1:23:39been conversations for example at

1:23:43looking at taking out a baseball

1:23:46diamonds down at North Union and turning

1:23:49that into

1:23:51more multi-use fields. Was any type of

1:23:55lens applied to the fields like that?

1:23:59>> A little bit.

1:24:00>> Yeah. [snorts]

1:24:00>> Yeah. The only thing is short,

1:24:03>> right?

1:24:05>> Paul,

1:24:06>> right? But there's no reconfiguring that

1:24:09you could see on this pass that would

1:24:13give you some.

1:24:14>> So what Olivia mentioned about uh North

1:24:17Union

1:24:19um you know if we were to change that to

1:24:22a synthetic turf carpet, we could add in

1:24:24a softball field right now. You're not

1:24:26going to be able to program it. Was it

1:24:28North?

1:24:28>> Yeah.

1:24:29>> Yeah.

1:24:30>> Um

1:24:31>> you're not going to be able to program

1:24:32baseball and softball simultaneously or

1:24:35>> we used to for baseball and soccer at

1:24:37the same time.

1:24:38>> We used softball, [laughter]

1:24:41>> right? But you could bring it back if it

1:24:43was synthetic turf because there's no

1:24:44materiality change from the natural

1:24:47grass and the infield mix, right?

1:24:49>> Um so it gives you,

1:24:52you know, more flexibility from a

1:24:54programming perspective.

1:24:57um and a little bit more flexibility

1:24:58from an hour a lot more flexibility from

1:25:01an hour's um potential use.

1:25:05>> I think it is a conversation that we

1:25:07started to have I think related to spy

1:25:10pond fields about um high school use and

1:25:13how um now they have a new field that

1:25:16they could potentially move to. Trying

1:25:18to figure out um when or if that's

1:25:20happening. Um I think we need to have

1:25:22that conversation with the public

1:25:24director. been reaching out. Um, just

1:25:26need to to make that happen.

1:25:28>> Yeah, that's a a big point to me.

1:25:31They've really tried to reach out to the

1:25:34AD

1:25:35>> and that is a critical piece of this

1:25:37with the high school fields being opened

1:25:39up. And Jeeoff, you probably know more.

1:25:41I mean, I know flag football switched

1:25:43over there.

1:25:44>> I see that youth soccer is getting use

1:25:46of them on on the weekends now.

1:25:49um

1:25:50>> high school, [snorts]

1:25:51>> you know, the Yeah, the high school

1:25:52fields. Baseball, like Olivia just

1:25:55mentioned, you know, in softball now

1:25:58have home fields at the high school. So,

1:26:00that's taking a lot of use off our

1:26:02fields to the point where I think in our

1:26:05discussion with Paul with um baseball,

1:26:08he was like, "Yeah, I don't know that we

1:26:10need Luciano as a as a 90ft diamond

1:26:13anymore." So that does to your point

1:26:15open up potential but I think that's

1:26:17part of the next step.

1:26:19>> Okay. That wasn't that's what I was

1:26:21trying to understand that we didn't have

1:26:22those conversations because I know we've

1:26:25had those conversations about

1:26:27>> where where now that the high school is

1:26:29done where is the high school still

1:26:31using our fields for what purposes?

1:26:33Right.

1:26:33>> And we did we don't have a clear

1:26:35understanding of that. No.

1:26:37>> And I expect data gap right now.

1:26:39>> What's that?

1:26:40>> That's a data gap right now.

1:26:41>> Okay. All right. I was expecting some of

1:26:45that information to come from this, but

1:26:47I guess that's the next step.

1:26:48>> So, if anybody can assist in bridging

1:26:52that gap, um,

1:26:54>> that would be

1:26:55>> that conversation.

1:26:56>> Yes, that would be great because it is

1:26:58all new. I mean, it's October and it

1:27:00just started in late August, September

1:27:04that those uses started to come into

1:27:07play outside user groups into the high

1:27:10school and the high school off of our

1:27:12fields, right?

1:27:15So,

1:27:16>> so we don't know if they have a plan

1:27:19that anybody has seen.

1:27:22>> Well, the plan for migration would be

1:27:24that they'd be off our fields.

1:27:26I think

1:27:26>> but they're not entirely.

1:27:29>> Yeah, that's the question. That's our

1:27:31expectation.

1:27:32>> But I've never seen anything

1:27:34>> in writing

1:27:37>> or any commitment.

1:27:38>> We also have to AC into the calculus

1:27:40because I know

1:27:41>> which we Yeah, we talked to them.

1:27:44>> Yeah.

1:27:45>> So, we had a good conversation with

1:27:48Yeah. As part of this

1:27:50>> they're very limited now, aren't they?

1:27:53>> AC.

1:27:54>> Yeah. No, they stay pretty much the same

1:27:57>> um throughout the last few years that

1:27:58I've been doing the field schedule. Um

1:28:01they're pretty stagnant. They use

1:28:02Magnolia, they use Man Park for the

1:28:05track and field. Um they use what

1:28:10>> I don't like the Catholic does.

1:28:11>> Yeah, they use

1:28:13>> um they use Luciano for soccer.

1:28:17>> Um

1:28:18>> they use the farm stuff for softball. Uh

1:28:21yeah, that's during the spring season,

1:28:23but I'm saying for the fall season, the

1:28:25only thing that's really changed for the

1:28:26high school in general, uh field hockey

1:28:28is now off of Roblox completely. They

1:28:31don't touch it. Um they've had less

1:28:34soccer on Magnolia, so they've primarily

1:28:37just been using Thornike. Um so AC's

1:28:40pretty much taken over Magnolia for the

1:28:42most part when they need to practice. Um

1:28:45so they have gone down a little bit in

1:28:47their usage. Um, but during the spring

1:28:49season, it seems like they're pretty

1:28:52much the same because they've just split

1:28:54up their originally it was their JV and

1:28:56freshman playing together in certain

1:28:58fields. Now they've separated them so

1:29:01they're still using the same amount of

1:29:02fields for the most part.

1:29:04>> Just their varsities playing at high

1:29:06school and high school.

1:29:08>> Yeah, AC uses their turf field

1:29:11consistently all day every day, but they

1:29:13all still want to practice usually right

1:29:14after school. And that seems to be the

1:29:16reason that they're having so much use

1:29:18usage still.

1:29:19>> Um, most of their game like I wouldn't

1:29:21say most of their games are always now

1:29:24scheduled for pretty much both are

1:29:26pretty much scheduled for the weekends.

1:29:28Um, except for a few weekdays, but

1:29:31they're usually playing around to have

1:29:33the the varsity or JV games at their

1:29:37facilities, but during practice time,

1:29:40they're always on our facilities.

1:29:43>> Yeah. So, everybody was really

1:29:45responsive. We had great meetings with

1:29:48all the user groups. There's just that

1:29:50little bit of a data gap.

1:29:52>> I'll give them a call tomorrow.

1:29:54>> I'll give him a call tomorrow.

1:29:56>> It's the AD that you need to communicate

1:29:58with.

1:29:58>> Yeah, I reached out to him.

1:29:59>> Business office who's in charge of all

1:30:01of the

1:30:01>> uh Well, they want to talk to John, the

1:30:04athletic director, solely because of

1:30:06they want to know his usage for the high

1:30:08school teams on our fields. Um, but then

1:30:11maybe it would be a good connection to

1:30:13go find out from the facilities

1:30:16department how much usage our other

1:30:18groups are getting on fields.

1:30:21>> Chris slicer.

1:30:23>> Chris. Yeah,

1:30:24>> Chris.

1:30:26>> I think we need to talk to John first

1:30:27though to basically establish like you

1:30:29know what where are you planning to put

1:30:31your what are your needs as the athletic

1:30:33director and then um scheduling and

1:30:36things like that with uh the business

1:30:38office.

1:30:39>> Yeah. Um, I can also just mention to um

1:30:41the manager's office and see if I can

1:30:43get this for attendant that hang on.

1:30:48>> Yeah, that's a big

1:30:52>> Yeah, it does seem great though just

1:30:54seeing the weekend use from the

1:30:56community on the high school fields. I

1:30:59think that's been [snorts]

1:31:01fantastic.

1:31:02>> Also, um, other groups using the fields

1:31:07at night after practices like men's

1:31:10groups are back online.

1:31:13>> Um but uh you should definitely get that

1:31:17be able to get that information from

1:31:19>> and uh next steps. What are what are we

1:31:23looking at for

1:31:24>> So we need to pick five sites.

1:31:28We have seven

1:31:29>> tonight. Oh,

1:31:30>> we got to get moving people.

1:31:32>> All right. Our sites

1:31:36without without having

1:31:38the information from the high school

1:31:40becomes a little more difficult

1:31:46>> have a complete picture on usage.

1:31:49[snorts]

1:31:53>> Yes, but I don't know that that's going

1:31:54to move the needle from these sites like

1:31:58what would you add here

1:32:02>> for a potential site

1:32:04>> to discuss? I think these are the seven

1:32:07to discuss whether the high school data

1:32:09is in there.

1:32:10>> We've knocked you out.

1:32:12>> Right. Right. That's that's all I'm

1:32:14saying is of what or what's up there.

1:32:17>> Yeah.

1:32:17>> The impact of the high school on those

1:32:21um options.

1:32:23>> Well, they're not at Magnolia. They're

1:32:25not at Well, but Catholic is

1:32:29>> there's a high school.

1:32:30>> But are they Catholics still use them?

1:32:33>> What's that?

1:32:34Catholics. So yeah,

1:32:35>> right. That's what we're saying. There's

1:32:36high school usages on this. And

1:32:40>> yeah, but what are the I I guess I'm

1:32:42confused because what are the fields

1:32:43that the high school's using?

1:32:46>> So they still use one of them

1:32:49>> which

1:32:50>> and the robo summer

1:32:53>> well field hockey got off.

1:32:55>> Hockeyy's gone off the high school.

1:32:59>> Arlington uses it for baseball.

1:33:01We have that.

1:33:02>> I don't think it's I don't think it's

1:33:03that big a change.

1:33:07[snorts]

1:33:07>> So for me, if I could throw my two cents

1:33:10in on this. So

1:33:13>> we all love Thorn Dike. It seems like

1:33:15such a wonderful opportunity, right, as

1:33:18a field complex, but we're so limited in

1:33:21what we can do there

1:33:22>> that I just question whether it's worth

1:33:25exploring. It's in a flood plane. We

1:33:27have wetlands. there's already

1:33:29neighborhood issues down there with the

1:33:30other development. Um, if anything,

1:33:34that's more of like how do we improve

1:33:37those grass fields? And how we improve

1:33:39those as we develop another site

1:33:41potentially with turf

1:33:43>> and take a field offline and do some

1:33:46overseating and just more

1:33:49>> um some better maintenance practices. I

1:33:52just don't think that's a site that we

1:33:54can really explore. Like just being in a

1:33:57flood plane going through the herd field

1:33:59process, you can't put any structure in

1:34:02the flood plane.

1:34:04>> You can't put ball netting. It it's a

1:34:06you know,

1:34:08>> right? We learned that

1:34:09>> can't put lights, can't put fencing.

1:34:12>> You just so limited there.

1:34:14>> You can't put seating, you can't you

1:34:16can't you can't put a pole in,

1:34:18>> right?

1:34:18>> Can you even put turf in that area? No,

1:34:21>> absolutely. No.

1:34:23>> So, it's really the the the parts where

1:34:24we're going to get the most bang for our

1:34:26buck.

1:34:26>> That's what I'm looking at this as, you

1:34:29know, and I understand the point about

1:34:32Hills Hill, but it's a smaller field.

1:34:36It's 99. It's I don't even know if you

1:34:39could do an overlay for softball there.

1:34:42I think that's something we looked at a

1:34:44long time ago. Mhm.

1:34:45>> Well, you have to Well, we've now got

1:34:48the we've now developed the bike park up

1:34:50there, but there was we looked at it and

1:34:53you would have to like

1:34:55>> blast into the hill the ridge into the

1:34:59>> which would be we're not

1:35:01>> dramatically change the high school

1:35:03party. [laughter]

1:35:07Definitely take it off.

1:35:09>> It would it would definitely impact just

1:35:13to keep the conversation moving because

1:35:14we're we're limited. I think we have

1:35:17four.

1:35:18>> Are we moving if we want to move one up

1:35:23to the top? Is that it?

1:35:25>> Well, I think it's looking at all of

1:35:26these and saying what are the five out

1:35:28of all of these.

1:35:29>> Okay. I think it's broken up into major

1:35:32and minor because

1:35:34>> there's not much you can do

1:35:37>> with the minor renovations ones. It's

1:35:40kind of like improving drainage, doing

1:35:42some amenities, that sort of thing. So,

1:35:45>> Roa has a lot of I mean it's it's

1:35:49>> that's got it's the biggest I think it

1:35:52offers the most as you said possible.

1:35:54>> Yeah. It's nice grass.

1:35:56>> I'm sorry. So the the minor what are the

1:35:59three from minor reservations

1:36:03>> and thornike. Okay.

1:36:05>> Okay. So of these we need to knock two

1:36:08out. Seems to me that we want to knock

1:36:10out.

1:36:12>> I think we

1:36:13>> all right team. One more.

1:36:16>> I think

1:36:17>> one of the protons are magnolia.

1:36:22>> I think the overlay of magnolia. Oh,

1:36:24that's another one. That's wetlands. And

1:36:27we're not turfing that one.

1:36:28>> Thank you. We're not especially.

1:36:31>> Yeah, we're not turfing that one.

1:36:32>> You're not turfing that one either.

1:36:33>> No lights.

1:36:36>> Yeah, lights would be tough.

1:36:38>> Lights would be tough. And

1:36:40>> it is an 11 by11 field. It Yeah. I mean,

1:36:44regrading drainage, it's not turf. If

1:36:46we're thinking

1:36:49>> along the lines of where we can get

1:36:51turf, this is not one of them. Okay. But

1:36:54it does need to be

1:36:55>> poets is one we've discussed and we have

1:36:57also discussed North Union in the past

1:37:00>> as potentials.

1:37:03>> Okay. So we're so sorry Olivia can you

1:37:06go back to the list because I can't

1:37:08routine seven.

1:37:10>> And if there's anything you'd like to I

1:37:12mean we could bring something new into

1:37:15the field as well. Um I think when we're

1:37:18sort of looking at different sites,

1:37:20small things um thing [snorts] we will

1:37:23make we will be making some

1:37:24recommendations in our report in text

1:37:26but I think what's coming out of this

1:37:28study um the five sites that we choose

1:37:31um I think some of the big thing if it's

1:37:33not necessarily a overhaul of the layout

1:37:36is getting a detailed cost opinion for

1:37:38some of these improvements. So, if

1:37:40there's anything with that in mind that

1:37:42you else that you'd be thinking about in

1:37:44town, um maybe that's come up in

1:37:47conversation before that you'd like us

1:37:48to look at in that regard. I think that

1:37:51we could also add things to the table.

1:37:54>> My my my concern with Spy with Spike

1:37:56Pine Park is always accessibility.

1:38:00>> I mean, thank you. Sorry.

1:38:02>> Look at the court. We put parking in.

1:38:05>> Yeah, it's beautiful. I'm sorry.

1:38:09I know, but it's it's one of the biggest

1:38:11flattest

1:38:12>> it is

1:38:13>> pieces of land and I don't think we can

1:38:15I know parking isn't and the traffic

1:38:18that's terrible and there's nowhere

1:38:20there's no there's one direction in

1:38:23there's it it's just uh

1:38:26to even think about really building on

1:38:29more than what's than what's there um to

1:38:32me again would be the

1:38:36>> and being impacted neighborhood.

1:38:37>> Yeah. be huge. It would be huge. And the

1:38:39impact of the boys and girls, we're

1:38:40going to wind up with none.

1:38:43>> Wrong direction. We're

1:38:44>> No, I know. I know.

1:38:45>> I don't

1:38:48That's mine

1:38:49>> to cut out.

1:38:50>> No, I keep it.

1:38:52>> So, we need we need

1:38:54>> those two.

1:38:56We need five.

1:38:58>> So, co

1:39:00>> Yeah. Sorry.

1:39:01>> I [snorts] can make decision easier. We

1:39:04could do six and we'll and we'll bust

1:39:06magnolia and roll away because those are

1:39:09minor renovations. I mean Magnolia is

1:39:11going to be some regrading drainage work

1:39:16uh netting to protect people walking by

1:39:18from shots on mobile. You know, it's not

1:39:22a major conceptual undertaking.

1:39:25Uh so we can do those both and then even

1:39:30Thornike we're going to have some

1:39:31recommendations for that. Uh to Phil's

1:39:33point it's going to be largely cultural

1:39:35maintenance improvements and potentially

1:39:39phasing those cultural maintenance to

1:39:41stagger use and that because if if you

1:39:45want to do anything invasive from a

1:39:47cultural maintenance perspective you

1:39:49might going to have to take a portion of

1:39:50it offline for a period of time. Um, and

1:39:55that's

1:39:56>> going to create some pain from a

1:39:57programming standpoint. Um, but I think

1:40:02>> there there were there were plans and

1:40:04there

1:40:06but they found where they rotated fields

1:40:08like shooting fields and

1:40:10>> we just did that this year

1:40:12>> again.

1:40:12>> So yeah, the 11 v11 field is rotated

1:40:15now. Okay. um

1:40:17>> cuz we stopped we we instituted that as

1:40:21a plan and it went on for a couple of

1:40:24years and then it seemed to die off

1:40:26>> and and wasn't being done for some

1:40:28reason. So I'm glad to hear that it's

1:40:32been

1:40:32>> it's better's

1:40:34been better this fall.

1:40:37>> Okay.

1:40:38>> So appreciate that offer Mark.

1:40:40>> Yeah, absolutely.

1:40:42>> So we're striking Thornike. strengthen.

1:40:45>> I mean, I was sort of wondering I just

1:40:47want to say Wil and Mills Hill are right

1:40:49next to each other, right? So, is there

1:40:52any kind of relationship between those

1:40:54two? And to that point, the map is not

1:40:57correct with the the A in the location

1:41:04>> back.

1:41:08There aren't lights at hills,

1:41:10>> are there? There are no lights, but

1:41:13there is a But

1:41:14>> don't you remember?

1:41:15>> No, I don't. But I I just I mean I don't

1:41:18Is there a benefit to thinking about

1:41:21turf back there?

1:41:22>> That's what we just remember. But the

1:41:24scariness of what we've just been

1:41:26through with those with them like

1:41:29>> there there is a benefit. Um I would say

1:41:34the the downside to it is it's not a

1:41:36full size field,

1:41:38>> right? So people it's the younger groups

1:41:42not

1:41:43>> and they're not going to play nice.

1:41:44[cough and clears throat]

1:41:45>> But but is there also a benefit for all

1:41:47the runs that start and end there the

1:41:505ks the like

1:41:52>> it maybe becomes more of a community

1:41:54>> space because it can be used during a

1:41:56rainy Sunday morning. [clears throat]

1:41:59>> So close so close to the bike path

1:42:01accessibility for that.

1:42:04I

1:42:04>> think it's worth exploring.

1:42:08Okay.

1:42:09>> But yeah, but I I

1:42:12>> say I don't Well, I I would say I don't

1:42:13see the points there,

1:42:16>> but all we're asking activities to do is

1:42:18really put a conceptual design together

1:42:21so that we can [snorts] kick it around.

1:42:23>> Yeah.

1:42:24>> It doesn't mean that anything is moving

1:42:26forward.

1:42:28>> So when you start to put these plans

1:42:30together, right, they do start to take

1:42:32up some time.

1:42:34>> They take as [snorts] Yeah. So, I

1:42:37wouldn't I wouldn't want to I wouldn't

1:42:38want to invest in lights there that I

1:42:42don't think is necessary for what you're

1:42:44talking about as you know an additional

1:42:47dead hot spot.

1:42:48>> I would just say from a data perspective

1:42:51like if you're not putting lights on a

1:42:53turf field, you're eliminating a good

1:42:55chunk of use particularly in the fall.

1:42:58So, it it changes your numbers

1:43:00drastically.

1:43:01>> And I'm not in favor of doing hills. I'm

1:43:03really opposed to putting lights there.

1:43:06Okay. Well, I think maybe we're getting,

1:43:09>> but I'm just putting it out there.

1:43:11>> Um, so,

1:43:14>> do you have anything else we need to

1:43:16tell you? [laughter]

1:43:18>> Okay.

1:43:20>> Yeah. Really great presentation and a

1:43:23lot of really good information.

1:43:26>> Thank you very much. Uh, and I feel like

1:43:28we're on our way. It feels like this has

1:43:30been something we've been trying to do

1:43:31for a long time and um, we really

1:43:33appreciate it. And um hopefully, you

1:43:36know, [clears throat] I

1:43:38I can poke John also um and see if I can

1:43:43get them to respond to the emails. But

1:43:46before we move on to this, does this

1:43:48change our

1:43:50um ask for this year?

1:43:53>> No, I think I would think that they

1:43:56just I just want to make sure that that

1:43:59that's not a consideration.

1:44:01>> I think it puts a

1:44:06Okay.

1:44:07>> Yeah.

1:44:12>> I agree.

1:44:13>> Okay.

1:44:15>> Great. Thank you both very much. Thank

1:44:17you. Thank you so much.

1:44:23>> Okay.

1:44:28>> Uh All right. So, moving on to the

1:44:30sculpture. Yes. So, we're going to need

1:44:33to table the sculpture. Um, I had put

1:44:35this on not knowing if the group was

1:44:37going to present tonight or not, but I

1:44:38did provide you with um some

1:44:40information. They're going to come

1:44:41before us at the next meeting. Um, and I

1:44:45did provide you in the packet just some

1:44:46information about um this sculpture. the

1:44:50um commission on arts and

1:44:53the plan arts and a few other folks um

1:44:56have gotten some interest from a famous

1:45:00um artist

1:45:05[clears throat] and I provided you some

1:45:07information. So more to come on that

1:45:08next at the next meeting I just want to

1:45:10put on your radar. It's really

1:45:11>> just Well, and just so you know,

1:45:14>> in doing the reservoir project,

1:45:16>> Yeah.

1:45:16>> there was there was conversation about

1:45:20>> doing a kind of sculpture

1:45:24garden.

1:45:25>> Yeah.

1:45:26>> On the other side of the res in that

1:45:28wooded area.

1:45:30>> And there's a Lexington person of

1:45:34interest.

1:45:34>> Oh, okay.

1:45:35>> Who wanted to launch because it's it's

1:45:39>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's our property in

1:45:41Lexington

1:45:42>> and so if you have conversations with

1:45:45these folks y

1:45:47>> that might be something

1:45:48>> I think they were looking more at like

1:45:49the Drake village area over there but I

1:45:52think we can when they come and discuss

1:45:54it we can certainly

1:45:56>> that wooded area is really

1:45:58>> what's that the wooded area is really

1:46:00would be a really lovely place

1:46:02>> so yeah

1:46:03>> that was that was the discussion I mean

1:46:05we didn't have any

1:46:06>> money for it but it was like can we do I

1:46:09guess that was one of the reasons we put

1:46:11some seating up there and that little

1:46:13path to go up there in the hope that

1:46:16maybe at some future point we could do

1:46:19art.

1:46:19>> Yeah, let's do art.

1:46:21>> Perfect.

1:46:21>> All right, that's cool.

1:46:23>> Thank you.

1:46:24>> Um, [clears throat] moving on to

1:46:27discussion about Crosby Courts.

1:46:31>> Oh, um, Mark, can you stay five minutes

1:46:33in case we need to Okay. Um Mark here

1:46:36activ is also working on the Crosby port

1:46:39um project. So what we're going to talk

1:46:42about tonight is just sort of uh where

1:46:43we're at in the project and then also uh

1:46:45do you know talk about like the

1:46:47logistics of opening it and a few items

1:46:49that I have here. So um first and

1:46:51foremost I just I think I'll just punt

1:46:53if it's okay to to mark. Um I can just

1:46:56give you my two cents. Today I was on

1:46:57site. It looks like uh the paving has

1:46:59been completed. The painting has

1:47:00started. Um, I know that they still have

1:47:02some more painting and lining and things

1:47:04like that to do. Um, for the most part,

1:47:06the project has been stayed on schedule.

1:47:09So, we do anticipate, um, you know, it

1:47:11being ready to open very, very soon. So,

1:47:14>> yeah, on schedule, on budget. Um, we're

1:47:18probably I would say 90 plus% of the way

1:47:23there. Um, as in Hasha said, their

1:47:26paving's completed. Uh they did the

1:47:29initial um coated surfacing. They put

1:47:31down the fiberglass to give us that

1:47:33added layer of protection. Um they

1:47:35should be wrapping up all the color

1:47:37surfacing weather permitting by the end

1:47:39of the week. Um and that's when they can

1:47:42start uh putting up the hoops. Uh I

1:47:44believe the backboards are up, but

1:47:46they're not we've asked them not to

1:47:48actually put the hoops up until we're

1:47:50ready to open up because that's going to

1:47:52attract people to start using it, which

1:47:54we understand. Um, all the fencing is

1:47:58nearing completion, if not complete. Uh,

1:48:00we'll be meeting out there again

1:48:02tomorrow morning. Um, couple of little

1:48:05things as they back out of the site.

1:48:06They did some damage to the concrete

1:48:08sidewalks, so uh those panels will be

1:48:11replaced as they're kind of backing out

1:48:13of the site. Um, but largely, uh, things

1:48:17have have gone fairly well. So,

1:48:20>> there is a fiber glass fiber glass um

1:48:24hitboard that is a little bit on back

1:48:26order, but that's also going to be

1:48:28coming. Um so, we've got two hit walls

1:48:30there. We've got the the concrete hit

1:48:32wall, which is a little bit smaller than

1:48:33the previous one, and then there'll be

1:48:35another one that's going to be mounted

1:48:36on the um fence, I think, over on

1:48:39[clears throat] the Oxford side street.

1:48:41Um so, that there'll be another

1:48:43opportunity for for that hip. So,

1:48:45>> and that one's tennis specific.

1:48:48Um, I believe they said that was

1:48:50backward.

1:48:52So then I think it was end of the month,

1:48:55beginning of November when they

1:48:56anticipated getting it in. So um, you

1:49:00know,

1:49:01>> we won't we likely won't hold up the

1:49:04opening for that. It'll just be an after

1:49:06fact. I don't think we need to hold up

1:49:08an opening for that. But um that's

1:49:11other than that uh very happy with um

1:49:14the pace of the project and

1:49:18no major issues. So

1:49:19>> yeah, thank you.

1:49:22>> Um so that brings me to Thank you, Phil,

1:49:24for suggesting that we talk about how

1:49:26we're going to roll out the opening

1:49:27here. So there are some

1:49:29>> logistics. Um,

1:49:30>> thank you.

1:49:32>> Thank you.

1:49:33>> I'm not sure we're ready to decide on

1:49:36that date just yet, but we're getting

1:49:38close. Um, but I do think that, you

1:49:41know, we should start batting around a

1:49:42couple of dates um to think about that.

1:49:46And then, um,

1:49:50>> yeah, cuz last last week's meeting, we

1:49:52talked about, well, when do you normally

1:49:54take the net down?

1:49:56>> Yeah.

1:49:57um because we're going to be done before

1:50:00then. People are going to be clamoring

1:50:02to get in there,

1:50:03>> right?

1:50:04>> So, what do we want to do? I think that

1:50:06was the point of this discussion,

1:50:08>> right? So, um that's kind of a point on

1:50:11here. How are we going to handle the

1:50:12remainder of the the season? So, the

1:50:14remainder of the season, typically what

1:50:15we do is we will we'll shut the lights

1:50:17down at the um courts. We'll have the

1:50:20the pickleball courts and those things

1:50:21removed. Usually, it's the Monday after

1:50:23Thanksgiving. Um right around there,

1:50:25weather permitting. and I work with um

1:50:27Kevin to kind of from DBW to kind of

1:50:30finangle all those things. But right now

1:50:32we have Crosby um from this season as

1:50:35you recall we switched over from um play

1:50:37local to our wreck program which has not

1:50:41gone well.

1:50:42>> Yes, it was a nightmare.

1:50:43>> Can I because I have a note on that. Um

1:50:47and it seems like an appropriate time.

1:50:49>> Yeah. So, [clears throat] I was just at

1:50:51the MRPA golf tournament um and ran into

1:50:55the rep director from Watertown.

1:50:57>> Yes.

1:50:58>> Yeah. Did he? Yeah.

1:50:59>> Yeah.

1:51:00>> Um so, he uses Rect Tech. Have you guys

1:51:03looked into that?

1:51:04>> We had a meeting with that what two

1:51:06months ago.

1:51:07>> Okay.

1:51:08>> So, we're just wanted to throw that out

1:51:10there since

1:51:12>> as reservation.

1:51:13>> Yeah.

1:51:14>> Well, as

1:51:16Yeah.

1:51:17>> All programming and Yeah. Yeah,

1:51:22>> tech h or k.

1:51:25>> Oh,

1:51:27[laughter]

1:51:28>> team

1:51:32cutting me off technology.

1:51:33>> Um,

1:51:34>> yes. As as I was saying with this, um,

1:51:36how do we want to handle the rest of the

1:51:38season there? Because Cosby, as you

1:51:39recall, when we opened up the season, it

1:51:41was just walk-on. I don't know if we

1:51:43should continue that walk-on as we open

1:51:46this new facility or we want to do

1:51:48reservations. Um so that's one

1:51:52discussion item. The other discussion I

1:51:54have put some um materials in front of

1:51:56you about signage. We need to talk about

1:51:59signage. Um

1:52:01I'm just going to go through my list and

1:52:03then we'll come back. Um

1:52:05>> so can I just ask you to go back for one

1:52:07second about the opening?

1:52:09>> Yes. So we're closing courts right after

1:52:13Thanksgiving, right before Thanksgiving?

1:52:15>> Closing [clears throat] in the sense of

1:52:16like the nests and things like that will

1:52:18be taken down. Yes.

1:52:19>> And so this Crosby might come online

1:52:24>> for a few weeks.

1:52:26>> A few weeks. Yeah. And then it would go

1:52:28offline. So that's what we're

1:52:30discussing. If it could be a month or it

1:52:32could be, you know, three weeks. Um do

1:52:35we want to go to the reservation system

1:52:37or do we want to just allow I don't

1:52:39think so.

1:52:39>> Just for the later season.

1:52:41>> Yeah. Well, I don't think so. I'm going

1:52:42to say I'm going to say no.

1:52:45>> But but it's almost more like a soft

1:52:47opening for until the end of the season

1:52:49>> cuz we tal we I I thought we were going

1:52:52to discuss

1:52:55what the right answer for the courts is

1:52:57over the winter. Yes.

1:52:58>> So that we have something in the spring

1:53:02that works.

1:53:03>> Yep.

1:53:04>> So [snorts] that's

1:53:06sort of we've lasted this long. Yeah.

1:53:09>> So, in terms of the date um for an

1:53:11opening, like I don't I don't know if

1:53:13Phil do we do we wait until tomorrow's

1:53:15meeting? Do I

1:53:16>> Yeah, we can check that. My guess is

1:53:18they'll be done in two weeks.

1:53:20>> Yeah. So,

1:53:23maybe like a

1:53:25>> with the exception of the head wall,

1:53:28which isn't a big deal.

1:53:30>> So, we're looking probably at like the

1:53:31first week of November for opening.

1:53:34>> Mhm.

1:53:36>> Yep. Okay.

1:53:38Um, so I'll formalize that as we get

1:53:41closer.

1:53:42>> I mean, is everyone is everyone on board

1:53:45with having a like a formal opening?

1:53:48Does it is that something? I mean, many

1:53:50times we haven't done anything like

1:53:52that. We've done it with our bigger

1:53:53projects.

1:53:54>> Yeah. Is that what we want to do? Do we

1:53:56want cutting or

1:53:58>> to me it just seems really odd to have a

1:54:00formal opening and then not have a

1:54:02season ahead or something, right? Do you

1:54:04know what I mean? Like, oh, it's it's

1:54:06open. It's brand new. Great. It's all

1:54:08done in 3 weeks,

1:54:09>> right?

1:54:09>> I don't know. It just seems [snorts]

1:54:11>> Well, people will still use it. I mean,

1:54:14people are going to use the basketball

1:54:15court. People are still going to use the

1:54:17tennis courts

1:54:19>> whether we are in charge of them or not.

1:54:22They're still going to get used. So,

1:54:24>> I guess for I I guess a low key opening

1:54:28that acknowledges the user the the

1:54:32>> of butter, you know, the community who

1:54:34was so involved throughout. Absolutely.

1:54:38>> Otherwise, it's going to be

1:54:40>> April and that seems very far away.

1:54:44>> Absolutely. I agree.

1:54:45>> But I don't think it doesn't does not

1:54:47have to be an over the top.

1:54:50>> Like I said, we've opened many things

1:54:51over the years and some have been

1:54:53[snorts]

1:54:54>> Yeah. But I was sort of thinking April

1:54:57thing could be sort of fun as a season

1:54:59kickoff to all the courts and

1:55:01highlighting

1:55:02>> the new

1:55:02>> highlighting the new Crosby court and

1:55:06like putting out their new reservation

1:55:08system.

1:55:09>> Just kind of a general like court party

1:55:11and we're doing it in Crosby. It's brand

1:55:13new and thanks everybody and have

1:55:15>> or you may have everybody gather there

1:55:17about courts. Yeah, just sort of like a

1:55:20community day there that's maybe

1:55:25this and that. Bring it out to tennis

1:55:27people. I think that's a

1:55:28>> I think that is a dance.

1:55:31>> Kick the screen.

1:55:32>> Kick it down.

1:55:35>> No, not even just

1:55:39>> and then something

1:55:42introduction.

1:55:46>> Absolutely.

1:55:47>> So crazy. because we've got a lot of

1:55:49things to talk about with

1:55:51>> tennis and pickle ball and

1:55:53>> we also have a lot with CPA

1:55:54>> because we haven't talked about fees

1:55:57>> right

1:55:57>> I mean that was one of the things that

1:55:59we have to talk about fees scheduling so

1:56:03rules

1:56:04>> one of the things that I want to that I

1:56:06have in front of you are the tickle

1:56:07tickle see this is the tennis and tickle

1:56:12tickle ball I was trying to say tickle

1:56:13ball um right now what you have in front

1:56:15of you is the updated version of the

1:56:18court rules that we put together. This

1:56:20was when we changed over to uh myra for

1:56:22the recreation systems. Um, as you'll

1:56:25see on here, it says open daily 8:00

1:56:26a.m. to 9:00 p.m. We've got the general

1:56:29rules, the reservation policies, those

1:56:31things. If we're not going to go with

1:56:32the reservation policies, we do need to

1:56:34get some signage out there. And I know a

1:56:36couple of the things that we've added

1:56:38around here have been, you know,

1:56:40[snorts] the hours, the the the

1:56:42different things. I think a couple of

1:56:44things that I'm leaning towards is um

1:56:47you know I I don't know about the hours.

1:56:50If we have pickle ball hours, tennis

1:56:52hours, if they're 8 to 900 p.m. at other

1:56:55locations, do we change the location? Do

1:56:58we change the hours here? Should it be

1:57:00uniform across? Is this a decision that

1:57:02we should be talking about tonight for

1:57:04the opening or is this a larger

1:57:06conversation for later? But it does lead

1:57:10to we are going to have to have some

1:57:11signage up there when we open the

1:57:12courts. So that's sort of the main point

1:57:15of the discussion when I was trying to

1:57:17>> um

1:57:18>> yes and no because theoretically

1:57:21we're taking everything down in

1:57:22November.

1:57:24I mean

1:57:26>> to rush I feel like to to rush a rule

1:57:28right now knowing that winter's around

1:57:31the corner might not believe us later in

1:57:36the spring. Well, what if because this

1:57:38is the same sign that's everywhere, what

1:57:40if this were a temporary sign like on a

1:57:44plastic coated?

1:57:45>> They still sign too at the at the

1:57:48location. So, we they saved it just in

1:57:50case. So,

1:57:51>> and it's this. It's been updated with

1:57:53this. So

1:57:55>> I guess I feel like

1:57:56>> because we're going to change it and

1:57:58we're going to do this big opening with

1:57:59new rules and you know [laughter]

1:58:04>> and also

1:58:06you can't do it also more time to

1:58:10community and that working group that we

1:58:11wanted to do [clears throat]

1:58:14>> right so I would say be consistent um

1:58:16status quo for right now and then we do

1:58:19a sort of a launch in the spring of any

1:58:23adjustments to the rules, the hours, the

1:58:26>> types of whatever we're thinking about

1:58:29using.

1:58:30>> Yeah,

1:58:30>> I

1:58:32go ahead.

1:58:34>> I was just going to say we're going to

1:58:35pivot away from an opening this season.

1:58:39>> Can we at least get a notice out that

1:58:41it's when it is open, a public notice

1:58:45community,

1:58:45>> something will happen in the spring,

1:58:47>> letting people know that we're not not

1:58:49doing it. which was a soft a soft

1:58:52usually we use the word soft opening at

1:58:54the community soft opening everyone down

1:58:57and used them

1:58:59>> um you know argue with each other for

1:59:01who's who's there now but just a soft

1:59:03opening there

1:59:06>> um perfect one thing that I wanted to

1:59:09sort of um bat the idea around and I

1:59:12don't I don't know how the committee

1:59:14feels about this but um I know we've

1:59:16gotten a lot of concerns about noise and

1:59:17pickle ball and we haven't had a chance

1:59:19to to a study committee or anything like

1:59:21that yet. Um, but I am wondering if we

1:59:24wanted to take this small time to pilot

1:59:27something. Um, and I know that there's

1:59:29like those quiet pals and the quiet

1:59:31balls if we wanted to might have some

1:59:34funding available to um, purchase some

1:59:37of that stuff and have it on site there

1:59:38and see if we can recommend folks to use

1:59:41that

1:59:42>> and have it available for them. Well,

1:59:44something came in. There was a question

1:59:45that came in about

1:59:47>> your program and whether your program

1:59:50was going to be using.

1:59:52>> Yes. And that's not something that we

1:59:53had ever considered.

1:59:55>> But you guys may be the right modeling

1:59:59tool for that,

2:00:00>> right? To see that program before I

2:00:03launch it out to anywhere else. You need

2:00:05>> Right. Right. Okay.

2:00:07>> Well, I didn't see something on the news

2:00:09that the football users were not

2:00:12thrilled.

2:00:12>> Pretty sure. Yeah.

2:00:13>> Yeah.

2:00:14>> Exactly.

2:00:15>> So, I'm not sure how

2:00:16>> Yeah. I don't think it would ever be a

2:00:18requirement. It would be uh we have

2:00:20these here.

2:00:21>> But if you can get some firsthand

2:00:23experience

2:00:24>> through your program that

2:00:27>> y

2:00:27>> that might be what is the schedule of

2:00:30your program?

2:00:31>> Uh their last session starts right now.

2:00:34I think

2:00:35>> it goes until when?

2:00:36>> Uh middle of November.

2:00:37>> Yeah. So that would be a good

2:00:40>> No, it's not across

2:00:41>> but that's fine. I mean, we can pilot it

2:00:43at it's a ground ride.

2:00:46>> They're usually they used to be across,

2:00:48but we've moved them to spy,

2:00:50>> but it's just to test out the

2:00:53>> acoustic.

2:00:54Yeah.

2:00:55>> And hold the actual players

2:00:58>> because this is a beginning program

2:01:00where

2:01:01>> they might not have their

2:01:03>> Yeah.

2:01:03>> It's a great dug in.

2:01:05>> Exactly.

2:01:06>> Right.

2:01:07>> Yeah. They don't know yet.

2:01:08>> They don't know what they don't know.

2:01:10There's different levels that we have.

2:01:12>> Yeah. Right. But you can but you've got

2:01:14a test kitchen

2:01:15>> right there.

2:01:16>> Have the abunders of spy have made part

2:01:19of the expression noise about the pickle

2:01:21ball noise.

2:01:22>> No,

2:01:22>> it's too bad

2:01:23>> because we could pull down.

2:01:25>> Yeah.

2:01:25>> If that was a difference.

2:01:26>> It's only like three or four right

2:01:28there,

2:01:29>> right? That would be five be affected.

2:01:32>> And there little there's a little bit of

2:01:35a difference.

2:01:36>> Yeah. It's really Crosby and Wellington.

2:01:41>> Okay. So, we're saying [laughter] that

2:01:43we're not going to do an opening. We're

2:01:46going to just open the courts, but we're

2:01:48going to do a town a notice.

2:01:49>> There'll be a town notice

2:01:50>> saying that there is a the code courts

2:01:53will open on X date. And there will be a

2:01:56a more of a community acknowledgement

2:02:01and opening in the spring.

2:02:03>> Your scheduling system kickoff.

2:02:05>> I did get cited.

2:02:07>> I did get an inquiry from a neighbor

2:02:09today. It's not part of your

2:02:10correspondence received, but I feel like

2:02:13it's pertinent. So, um the inquiry was

2:02:15the inquiry was about um you know, how

2:02:19we're going to communicate sport

2:02:20specific restrictions, misuse of the

2:02:22misuse of the courts by folks like

2:02:24skateboarders, hockey players,

2:02:25bicyclists,

2:02:28>> dog owners, etc. So, I don't know if

2:02:30that's something that we've I don't

2:02:31think that we've traditionally had any

2:02:33signage for those types of things and I

2:02:34don't know how the commission has

2:02:35handled those things. But when I got the

2:02:37commission,

2:02:38>> I thought that the sign used to say that

2:02:41there was no skateboarding or biking on

2:02:45the courts. I thought that our signs at

2:02:47the other courts used to say that.

2:02:51>> There's a line about what is this?

2:02:53>> This isn't the sign that's down there.

2:02:55You're saying it is

2:02:57>> the sign is down where?

2:02:59>> No, the sign is like a lot simpler,

2:03:02right? With just a few wall

2:03:05>> bullet points.

2:03:06>> That side's the hip wall sign. They're

2:03:08talking about the trifold wall that's

2:03:10down there.

2:03:10>> This is different than

2:03:12>> the ones they took off.

2:03:13>> I understand that. I was talking about

2:03:14the other side.

2:03:15>> No,

2:03:16>> those You're right. Those signs I think

2:03:18are

2:03:20dumpster. No, that's the new that's cuz

2:03:22that is all references the new

2:03:24>> Yeah, these were put up in April.

2:03:26>> Yeah,

2:03:26>> May.

2:03:28>> So, this is the sign that we put up.

2:03:30>> This is the sign of course.

2:03:33>> But, but I'm so confused because I

2:03:35thought it I know it says no dogs, but I

2:03:37thought that or one of our older signs

2:03:40used to say no skateboards or or

2:03:43>> just no other recreational activities,

2:03:46>> right? Which is super generic and no kid

2:03:48is going to say that. But if it says

2:03:50specifically

2:03:52used for

2:03:53>> no kid

2:03:54no but what it does is it allows a

2:03:57parent or an adult who's out there to

2:03:59say look the sign says no

2:04:02>> so

2:04:04>> yeah I mean I think this is part of our

2:04:05process I think that we do put this into

2:04:08the working group to say

2:04:10>> okay

2:04:10>> what how else can we clarify and maybe

2:04:13we need to look at some other towns as

2:04:14well

2:04:16>> um to to get information on these signs

2:04:18and anyway way the court reservations

2:04:20process is going to policy and all

2:04:22that's going to change. So,

2:04:24>> okay. So, what I'm gathering is it's a

2:04:27soft opening. Uh we'll put out a town

2:04:29notice that uh lets folks know when it

2:04:31will be opening. We'll do a more um

2:04:34publicized and and grander opening in

2:04:36the spring. And over the winter months,

2:04:39>> pick a ball extravagan.

2:04:41>> Yeah. And over the winter months, we're

2:04:42going to be working on these other

2:04:44pieces like the signage, the uh

2:04:46reservation system, those types of

2:04:48things.

2:04:50That that is all in place by the end of

2:04:52February.

2:04:53>> What was that?

2:04:53>> I'm going to throw it out there that we

2:04:55have that all in place by the end of

2:04:58February. So signs can be made and put

2:05:01together and we're not, you know,

2:05:03jamming this at the last minute because

2:05:05we remember it. Mhm.

2:05:07>> Yeah. It's good to put a deadline on

2:05:09that.

2:05:09>> Yeah.

2:05:10>> Um

2:05:12Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah,

2:05:14>> there's a lot of holidays in there.

2:05:16>> The goal [snorts] is to get this done in

2:05:17February.

2:05:18>> Yeah.

2:05:19>> Well, why don't we just Why don't we say

2:05:21March one?

2:05:22>> Okay.

2:05:23>> How's that?

2:05:26>> Okay.

2:05:28All right. That's it for uh Crosy,

2:05:29unless anyone else has any other things

2:05:31that you'd like to bring up about it.

2:05:34Nope. Okay.

2:05:36Uh, next is the CPA preliminary

2:05:38application which is due this week. Um,

2:05:40this is kind of good timing. What I have

2:05:42in front of me here, I have not, this is

2:05:44like cut off the presses. I don't even

2:05:45know if I should hand it out because

2:05:46it's just going to be too much

2:05:47overwhelming. Um, but I do have a

2:05:50proposal from David Nardone to help us

2:05:52sort of get going on this. Um, what I'll

2:05:56just kind of share with you is that

2:05:58essentially for like the schematic

2:06:00design and everything that we need to

2:06:02kind of do, it looks like it's about

2:06:03like $95,000ish

2:06:06dollars. Um, and I this is not really to

2:06:09get us to that that design. This is just

2:06:12schematic design. Um, and then you know

2:06:16when you get into the actual like going

2:06:18for the pering, the construction docks,

2:06:20things like that, that could be anywhere

2:06:21from 100 to 200,000. Um, at least this

2:06:25is what's kind of on here. So, um, this

2:06:28is just sort of like David Mard's

2:06:29approval. I was going to pass it around

2:06:31to everyone. If you want it, I can email

2:06:33it. Um, I just think it's way too much

2:06:35to go through tonight. Um, but he just

2:06:38sent it over to me today. I've been

2:06:39asking for it for weeks.

2:06:41>> I mean, but do we have time to to put it

2:06:43in the background? When do we have to

2:06:44have a request?

2:06:46>> Well, it's the preliminary. I mean,

2:06:47again, it'll go CPA has two meetings

2:06:51scheduled. one in October, one in

2:06:53November.

2:06:54>> Um,

2:06:56>> this is a preliminary application and it

2:06:59should get to the next round.

2:07:02>> It should be the the yeah deciding point

2:07:06is is the project eligible. So it should

2:07:11and then you can

2:07:13massage and give more detail.

2:07:16>> Put that on the agenda for the next

2:07:18meeting.

2:07:18>> Yeah.

2:07:23So, we're going to be putting in for the

2:07:24CP application for poets. Um, I will be

2:07:27working on that probably tomorrow to get

2:07:30the the wording and everything in there.

2:07:32Um, and the ask

2:07:37did we decide on an ask amount? I don't

2:07:40know why I'm looking at

2:07:41>> Well, it's based on that proposal. So, I

2:07:43can review that proposal and we can

2:07:46talk.

2:07:46>> Okay. Yeah. Um, I'll pass these out just

2:07:49so that you have them. Um, and then I

2:07:51can call them this way. We'll pass it

2:07:54along.

2:07:55>> Um,

2:07:57not much more to talk about with that.

2:07:58It's the preliminary

2:08:01preliminary application.

2:08:03>> Um,

2:08:04>> so yeah, just understand from this that

2:08:06there's where we left off. There's still

2:08:09a lot of um

2:08:12research to do

2:08:15and that's a big part of this proposal.

2:08:18is um actually taking the design through

2:08:21design development

2:08:23and also doing a lot of that background

2:08:26due diligence. So geotechnical

2:08:29information, talking to the state about

2:08:31the landfill closure, figuring out the

2:08:33wetlands. It's it's a lot of that work

2:08:36and then budget numbers for moving

2:08:38forward beyond that. So,

2:08:42>> I didn't get a chance to look at it in

2:08:44detail, but um

2:08:46>> yeah, we should discuss what that asked.

2:08:50>> Perfect. Um so, maybe we can connect

2:08:52tomorrow

2:08:54>> at some point if you have a chance. Um

2:08:58>> yeah, I mean, I had some thoughts in my

2:09:00head, but um I'll wait to connect with

2:09:02you just on

2:09:04>> Yep.

2:09:05>> that and um

2:09:07go from there. So, uh, yeah, I have been

2:09:11reaching out to him for weeks to try and

2:09:12get this proposal so that I could have

2:09:14it for you guys to review, but, um, he

2:09:16just sent it to me today and that was

2:09:17only because I sent another email

2:09:18yesterday. So, um, but I realized that

2:09:21this is complex and there's a lot of

2:09:23moving parts with it. So, I

2:09:26>> Yeah, he had to get some proposals more

2:09:29information.

2:09:30>> Yeah.

2:09:30>> Yeah. He had to get proposals from other

2:09:33consultants.

2:09:34So, but we've got something.

2:09:38Um, so that's really it. That's the only

2:09:40thing we're putting in for CPA um that

2:09:42we discussed here. So, no much not not

2:09:44much more to talk about there.

2:09:48>> Okay. Thank you.

2:09:49>> Y

2:09:51um

2:09:53director updates.

2:09:54>> I'm going to be very quick with these

2:09:56and just give you some bullets here. So,

2:09:58uh department updates, it's exciting.

2:10:00There's going to be a filming project uh

2:10:02at the rink doing um a national it's

2:10:05going to be a great commercial. It's for

2:10:07um an athlete, a famous athlete that's

2:10:10coming and they want to use the rink. Um

2:10:12so that filming is happening this week

2:10:14which is awesome. It's going to be great

2:10:16publicity for uh the town and for the

2:10:18rink uh itself. They're going to use the

2:10:20surface. They're going to use uh the

2:10:23locker room. They're going to be using

2:10:24just different things that they really

2:10:26really liked. So um that's super

2:10:28exciting. Um,

2:10:29>> can I ask a question about that?

2:10:30>> Sure. Um, what is the because we do have

2:10:32a film policy. Are they paying?

2:10:35>> They are. Yeah. So, they're renting the

2:10:37ice for the entire day. So, it's um $300

2:10:40an hour just

2:10:41>> what's listed on our our thing here. Um,

2:10:44>> what about general usage though? Like

2:10:47because when film crews come,

2:10:48[cough and clears throat]

2:10:50they're going to be bringing Do they

2:10:51have trailers? Do they have trucks?

2:10:54[snorts]

2:10:54I mean to say that

2:10:57>> it's not a huge huge production.

2:11:00>> How many people

2:11:02like vans and trucks to load in their

2:11:04equipment? Um

2:11:07>> yeah, like eight to 10 people that have

2:11:09it.

2:11:09>> Yeah, there's not a huge crew.

2:11:11>> It's not like what happened on Jason.

2:11:13It's not a big production like that. Um

2:11:16much smaller scale. Um,

2:11:20and they just have they're going to be

2:11:22using our media room as their staging

2:11:24area. That's pretty much it. Um,

2:11:28>> yeah. So,

2:11:30>> we do have a per a permit policy that we

2:11:32use, a film permit policy.

2:11:34>> Well, but that's for outdoor properties.

2:11:37This is

2:11:40>> Yeah, I guess. So, who So, did they sign

2:11:43a contract with the t with the town

2:11:45manager's office?

2:11:47There's really not a contract for

2:11:49renting the ice. Um

2:11:52there's just a an agreement in, you

2:11:54know, a verbal

2:11:55>> just a permit. Yeah, it's just a permit

2:11:56per.

2:11:57>> Yeah.

2:11:58>> To give you insurance and all that

2:12:00stuff.

2:12:00>> Yeah.

2:12:02>> I'm I'm a little curious is how is this

2:12:04going to be publicity? Are we do we get

2:12:06attention? I mean

2:12:08>> the rank itself. So I think the the Ed

2:12:10Burns Arena rank itself is going to you

2:12:13know you're going to see that it's it's

2:12:14our rank. those those things. I think

2:12:16>> it'll be featured. The name will be

2:12:18featured.

2:12:18>> I think I I don't have all the

2:12:22>> Yeah.

2:12:25>> No. No. It's not going to be like, oh,

2:12:27the Arlington at Burns Arena here, but

2:12:29the

2:12:29>> did this before.

2:12:32>> Yeah.

2:12:34>> I did this

2:12:35>> when they were on on property.

2:12:39>> They were at Robins, but we we would get

2:12:41like thousands of dollar. I mean, so I

2:12:44guess it's a different thing because

2:12:45it's not

2:12:48the right.

2:12:51So anyway, I

2:12:55>> Yeah, I I vetted it through the

2:12:56manager's office since he signed the

2:13:00contract for the the lease agreement.

2:13:02>> Um, so

2:13:04>> sometimes those can generate a lot of

2:13:07money though.

2:13:07>> Yeah. And it's worth it because you will

2:13:09be inconvenience for the whole day. And

2:13:11even though it's only eight to 10

2:13:12people, there will be trucks, there will

2:13:14be a lot of moving people. And

2:13:17>> um [snorts and clears throat] yeah, so

2:13:19anyway, just beware. They tend to spread

2:13:21out.

2:13:22>> Yeah, there was another big one too a

2:13:23few years back.

2:13:26Something

2:13:28>> Yeah, we've had a couple that have come

2:13:30through.

2:13:31>> Um but they have been out of parks

2:13:33property. Yeah.

2:13:34>> And that is um

2:13:36>> a little bit different. So,

2:13:37>> I felt because this is an indoor sort of

2:13:39space that it's probably not going to

2:13:41generate a lot of attention, which is a

2:13:43good thing right now. Um,

2:13:46>> I think it's exciting when they're out.

2:13:48>> Well, it's pre-season really.

2:13:50>> There was um there was just a recent

2:13:52issue with the Jason Russell filming

2:13:54whatever they were doing and it was

2:13:56creating a lot of havoc I think. So,

2:13:58>> social media. Oh, was that when um Kirk

2:14:00Russell was

2:14:02just like last last week, but they but

2:14:05again it was not clearly defined like

2:14:09you just these companies come in and

2:14:10they sort of take over and that's what

2:14:12they did. They came early. They parked

2:14:14on the streets where they weren't

2:14:15supposed to park. Okay. So,

2:14:17>> yeah,

2:14:18>> communication at the time.

2:14:20>> Yeah, but that somebody needs to stay on

2:14:22top of

2:14:24um Okay. Anyway. All right. Director

2:14:27updates.

2:14:28>> Yep. Uh just try to find me here.

2:14:31Filming. Um our accounting job is

2:14:33finally going to be posted. Uh Maria

2:14:35Day's job. We're hiring another

2:14:37full-time preschool teacher. Uh there's

2:14:40some haven going on at the rink and

2:14:42Arling Toberfest is happening um this

2:14:45weekend.

2:14:48>> That's it. And then

2:14:49>> combine the preschool teacher and the

2:14:51counting child.

2:14:54>> I don't think that would be good. Count

2:14:56the tops. Uh we have been we've been

2:14:58really short staffed at the preschool.

2:15:00So Jeff, Courtney and I every morning

2:15:01one of us is there 7:30. Um another one

2:15:04of us is there 2:30 to like 4:00 in the

2:15:07afternoon just trying to help out. Um a

2:15:09lot of challenging issues and behavior.

2:15:11So um seeing it firsthand, it's it's

2:15:14definitely not not an easy job and I

2:15:16don't think that we pay enough for it if

2:15:18I'm being honest and you can't retain

2:15:20people. So um at some point or another I

2:15:22really need to evaluate

2:15:26those programs.

2:15:28So, yeah, uh pilot reappoint policy for

2:15:33the select board and the town manager

2:15:34for sele selected boards and

2:15:36commissions. I um gave that to all of

2:15:39you with some resources. Um this is a

2:15:41new policy that is just coming out. It's

2:15:43not going to be in effect until um

2:15:45January 2027, but essentially it's uh

2:15:49looking at 10 boards and commissions. We

2:15:51have to be one of them. Others are

2:15:52redevelopment, board of health, so on so

2:15:54forth. you can read it. But um

2:15:56essentially this basically allows uh

2:15:58starting in January anyone who might be

2:16:00interested in serving on the commission

2:16:02or whatever um it's like a rolling

2:16:04application basis and so they can put

2:16:07their name in and then when someone

2:16:08comes up and they're being reappointed

2:16:10if you've served two terms um you know

2:16:13there's an opportunity for the pool of

2:16:16applicants to be also considered and

2:16:18looked at. Um there's also you know that

2:16:22someone would be coming to you saying

2:16:23are you still interested and it would be

2:16:25part of the the process. Um so that's

2:16:28sort of some feedback I think that um

2:16:30the town manager has received and I

2:16:32guess that this has been being worked on

2:16:34for some time. Um but they finally they

2:16:37just approved it and this is the policy

2:16:39and the information. So I just wanted to

2:16:41share that. Um if you have additional

2:16:44questions I can try and get answers to

2:16:47them. You probably didn't have time to

2:16:49read that. I just found this myself

2:16:50tonight. So,

2:16:53see here.

2:16:56Product [snorts] updates. The Parmentor

2:16:57has been completed out there. The um

2:17:00Monomony Rocks Park anticipate uh late

2:17:03November

2:17:05install, but we're still waiting.

2:17:06Companion has been a disaster. Um

2:17:10just the project management has been

2:17:13really poor. So, I am saying late

2:17:16November and hoping that that's correct,

2:17:18but I I really don't know. Um, Jeff Saka

2:17:20Saka has finished up pretty much all of

2:17:24his end of the deal. Um, it's really

2:17:26just waiting for Compan to do theirs and

2:17:28then some final touches and he should be

2:17:30good to go, but I don't have I don't

2:17:33have a projected opening date yet and I

2:17:34I think it's too soon to say that. Um

2:17:37once the equipment comes in, it's

2:17:39supposed to be in [clears throat]

2:17:39November, we're going to make sure that

2:17:41we get eyes on that um before anyone

2:17:43does any kind of install. Um I'm going

2:17:45to likely have Jody, the certified

2:17:48playground safety inspector, out there

2:17:49to verify the installation. Um this

2:17:54process has been challenging. We also uh

2:17:57in good faith, they had dropped off a

2:17:59bunch of um wood chips at Monotamy Rocks

2:18:02and they were not supposed to drop them

2:18:03off there. They were told not to drop

2:18:05them off. I allowed them to go over to

2:18:06the rink. They've been at the rink for

2:18:08weeks, months. Um, we're doing a paving

2:18:12project. Jeff and I have been

2:18:13communicating with them, asking them to

2:18:15remove them for weeks. Yesterday, we're

2:18:18still on the phone with them trying to

2:18:20get them to remove the wood chips

2:18:21because the paving was starting today.

2:18:24Finally, get they get someone out there.

2:18:25They bring a dumpster. The dumpster was

2:18:27left there this morning. So, now the

2:18:29paving company had to move the dumpster

2:18:31out of the way. and then the company

2:18:34needed to be called to come pick it up.

2:18:35So, there's going to be costs that are

2:18:37incurred for that that I am planning to

2:18:39build compound for. Um, but it's just

2:18:41been really really hard to get things

2:18:44accomplished with them. Um, so this is

2:18:47my long way of saying like I really

2:18:48don't know what to expect with uh the

2:18:51opening, but I'm doing the best that I

2:18:52can with managing um the situation and

2:18:55I'm just I'm glad that we didn't open

2:18:57the park um with these issues and then

2:18:59have to go backwards and deal with this

2:19:02after the fact. So it will be worth it.

2:19:04It's just timeconuming. Is coffee wolf

2:19:07dealing with them? Coffee Wolf is as

2:19:09well. Um, but there's certain pieces

2:19:12that it's like, you know, Jeff is in

2:19:13charge of the installation piece and

2:19:15then I'm involved because I I allowed

2:19:18them to put the wood chips over at the

2:19:19rink thinking that I was trying to help

2:19:21out the project. So, there's just pieces

2:19:23that um you know, we're all Wolf is

2:19:26still involved and

2:19:29>> Yep. overseeing the construction.

2:19:31>> Yep.

2:19:31>> How far outside of our contract are we

2:19:34timewise? Um, so December I I think

2:19:38we're going to have to look at another

2:19:39we might potentially be looking at

2:19:40another extension. Um, it's just gonna

2:19:43kind of depend. I'll know in the the

2:19:44next couple weeks we did an extension.

2:19:46Um, that brings us to I think we I can't

2:19:50remember off the top of my head, but

2:19:51we're getting up on it. Um, Copy Wolf,

2:19:53we've already had to amend that

2:19:56contract. So that there's also, you

2:19:58know, there's additional services that

2:19:59they've had to provide because of this.

2:20:01Um, so that was another $7,500. to have

2:20:03incurred um over $92,000 in change

2:20:06orders for this project. Um

2:20:09and it's not done yet. So, and this

2:20:11project was already very tight. So,

2:20:14>> do we have any recourse? I mean,

2:20:20>> can you clarify Natasha all the fixes

2:20:23going to be replacing the defective

2:20:25pieces or do they want to actually there

2:20:27was some talk of filling in gaps and

2:20:30stuff that's not going to happen, right?

2:20:31So, there's five pieces that are being

2:20:34removed and replaced. I'm hoping that

2:20:38when those pieces come in that they

2:20:39don't have cracks, there's going to be

2:20:42no guarantee until we go out and we

2:20:44actually look at them. Um, and then we

2:20:46say, "Yep, go ahead and install them."

2:20:48And then we'll see what happens from

2:20:49there. We're hoping that the install

2:20:51doesn't then create more of an issue

2:20:53because we're not we I can't confirm if

2:20:55when that equipment arrived on site that

2:20:57there were cracks in it. It just got

2:20:59installed. So, when it got installed,

2:21:00did the cracks? Who knows? But they're

2:21:02not, they call them um cracks versus

2:21:07>> checks. These are not checks. These are

2:21:09full-on cracks. So, uh there's just a

2:21:12lot of like pointing back and forth. And

2:21:15to be perfectly honest, I I don't know

2:21:17that

2:21:19I haven't had a good time working with

2:21:21this company, um Compan, and it it it's

2:21:26been really challenging.

2:21:27>> Keep that in mind going forward. for

2:21:29sure. Um, all right. So, that's that.

2:21:34I'm going to roll right into uh just

2:21:36like

2:21:38I think I did. I already rol rolled into

2:21:40project updates. Um, last thing is uh

2:21:44the cutter Reinhardt schedule. So, uh we

2:21:47are going to be this week KZLA is the

2:21:49company we're using. They're supposed to

2:21:50be going out and doing a site visit. I

2:21:52don't know if weather is going to push

2:21:53them back. I'll be reaching out to uh to

2:21:56them. We are going to have a public

2:21:59input survey. I'm supposed to have a

2:22:01draft of that um by the end of this

2:22:03week. And then they're going to open up

2:22:05comment periods. Um and the comment

2:22:07period is supposed to end by October

2:22:0930th or so. Um so I have kind of like

2:22:12this this whole list here. I can forward

2:22:15to folks. Um conceptual design, they're

2:22:18supposed to be working on that the first

2:22:19week in November. Public input survey

2:22:21number two is supposed to be the week of

2:22:23November 6th. the closed comment period

2:22:25for that. It's supposed to be November

2:22:2620th and the stud is supposed to be

2:22:28completed by December 4th. So, we're

2:22:30we're on like a pretty tight timeline

2:22:32there. I'll um I'll forward this on to

2:22:34folks.

2:22:35>> Send us the surveys.

2:22:37>> Yeah. And as soon as we have the

2:22:38information um for the surveys, we'll

2:22:41we'll get that going out.

2:22:42>> Do you know who's working on this from

2:22:44Kyle?

2:22:45>> Uh Kyle. Kyle. At least he's been my

2:22:48primary contact. He has not told me

2:22:49otherwise. So,

2:22:51>> and who who is the survey going out to?

2:22:54>> Uh, we haven't determined that yet, but

2:22:56obviously it will be the friends group.

2:22:58Um, we'll put it out through the town

2:22:59notice. Um, you know, we'll put it out

2:23:02through our our membership as we as we

2:23:04can through our um, myra accounts. Um,

2:23:08that's typically how we've done those

2:23:10things. I don't know if he has any other

2:23:11thoughts or ideas.

2:23:12>> I know when they did the res survey,

2:23:14they put up QR codes.

2:23:17>> Yep. So, they there was some talk about

2:23:19that. I don't have all the logistics in

2:23:21front of me, but we kind of did um spell

2:23:23some of those things out proposal.

2:23:25>> Yeah. Just for people who are

2:23:26>> y

2:23:28maybe not part of the screen,

2:23:30>> right?

2:23:31>> Yeah.

2:23:31>> Can you remind me what the the funding

2:23:34model is right now?

2:23:35>> Yeah. So, this feasibility study, we are

2:23:37allocating FY26 feasibility or FY27

2:23:40feasibility, I'm sorry. Um in the amount

2:23:42of $10,000. So, the budget is $10,000.

2:23:45Um

2:23:47Yep.

2:23:49Okay. And then he's supposed to have

2:23:52something for us by December. The study

2:23:54is supposed to be completed by December

2:23:564th. Um I will find a time for when he

2:23:58can come and present to the commission.

2:24:00Probably sometime after that. So

2:24:01probably our first meeting in December.

2:24:03The next meeting we'll talk about uh

2:24:05just our dates around Thanksgiving and

2:24:07Christmas if we want to move those, but

2:24:09we're not going to do that tonight.

2:24:10>> Okay.

2:24:11>> Mlennon, I'm still waiting to hear back

2:24:12from the state and waiting for final

2:24:14changes of the contract from Grindland,

2:24:16but Phil, I just saw that you sent me

2:24:17something. Is that it? [snorts]

2:24:18>> I just emailed Matt.

2:24:20>> Okay, perfect. Um,

2:24:23and then

2:24:25>> can I just update

2:24:27>> would it be appropriate to get the high

2:24:29school user group to present in here

2:24:31prior like soon? I want to get them

2:24:33involved in this pretty soon so they

2:24:34have a little ramp in

2:24:37>> how do maybe we don't need to come in

2:24:39here but can I tell them that we're

2:24:40close to signing or something and they

2:24:42should

2:24:43>> Yeah. I mean we're literally just I

2:24:44think there was one other piece that he

2:24:46was just going to put into the contract.

2:24:48Just waiting for him to send that back

2:24:49and then we're going to sign it and be

2:24:50ready to go.

2:24:51>> Okay. So

2:24:52>> So it's it's very close.

2:24:53>> And I'll email Jared Klein who's been

2:24:56>> emailing a lot. Okay. I just want to get

2:24:58people

2:24:59>> We're very close. Um,

2:25:02>> I don't know when they're gonna start

2:25:03their outreach.

2:25:04>> No,

2:25:04>> but

2:25:05>> that's right. Yeah.

2:25:07>> Yeah. Exactly.

2:25:09>> Okay.

2:25:10>> But yeah, I think we should have them

2:25:11come in. I mean,

2:25:12>> at some point, yeah, I think when

2:25:14they've gathered, what I'd like to do is

2:25:16have them

2:25:18get together and come up with a lot of

2:25:19ideas and then come in and talk. I mean,

2:25:21they're certainly going to talk to the

2:25:23designers for sure, but yeah.

2:25:29Uh, and then just recently we've had

2:25:31conversations about Hills. I know there

2:25:32was some vandalism that happened up at

2:25:34the mountain bike, uh, with the

2:25:36container up there. We were able to

2:25:38jerryrig it and fix it. Uh, which will

2:25:40be okay for now. I'm also trying to

2:25:43connect with DPW because I know that

2:25:44there's a request for some water up

2:25:46there and at one point or another um, my

2:25:49maker had um, talked about trying to get

2:25:51a a connection over there. So, I'm

2:25:53trying to hook up with him and um, Brian

2:25:55Mount. We just haven't found a time. Um,

2:25:58I did reach out to Potterhorn to get

2:26:01some guidance on the park maintenance

2:26:02and get some sort of things in in line

2:26:04and I think um, Adam Glick had reached

2:26:07out to me today, but I didn't have a

2:26:09chance to call back. So, I will I'll

2:26:10give them a call tomorrow. And then um,

2:26:12we had a branch that came down up there

2:26:14across the path and I believe DPW was

2:26:17able to go out and remove it. So, any

2:26:19issues that come up with um, the park I

2:26:22there was some kind of conversation kind

2:26:24of going back and forth. DPW doesn't

2:26:26really know their role in this yet. Um,

2:26:28because they they kind of came in on the

2:26:30back end. So, I think just to kind of

2:26:32keep things in line, I think if we

2:26:34filter all communication through through

2:26:36me and I'll get Kevin to do because it's

2:26:38going to have to be conversations like

2:26:39knowing what Kevin's crew can do in

2:26:42terms of like the parks division versus

2:26:44what I'm going to actually have to maybe

2:26:46hire someone to do or get a specialist

2:26:49to kind of do. So, we're still trying to

2:26:51figure that out and I apologize um that

2:26:54we don't have that, but I'm I'm going to

2:26:55try and make that a little bit more

2:26:56clear, especially for the spring so that

2:26:58we have a better understanding of how to

2:27:01move things through. Um and the only

2:27:04thing with Powder Horn, like I equate to

2:27:06some of our playgrounds, right? Like

2:27:07when we get a plan that says, "All

2:27:08right, here's a maintenance plan. Here's

2:27:10what you're supposed to do." I get that

2:27:12this is a totally different um venue and

2:27:14setup. So, maybe it's not Ponghorn.

2:27:17Maybe it is like Adam and his crew that

2:27:20would give us that guidance just to kind

2:27:22of understand who can do what and where

2:27:24my legal where our legal issues might

2:27:27be. Like who can do what level of

2:27:29maintenance, a friends group versus

2:27:31should I be bringing in a contractor to

2:27:33check the pitch of that or I have no

2:27:36idea.

2:27:36>> Um so I'd definitely like to I think we

2:27:39we can connect maybe offline to Josh.

2:27:42Yeah, I think we should meet and Jeff

2:27:45especially for other programming

2:27:46opportunities to bring some revenue in

2:27:49that can help support the park.

2:27:52>> So, and Adam and uh Mary are the right

2:27:55people to be doing that with. So,

2:27:57>> yeah. And I might want to talk a little

2:27:58bit more about some different signage.

2:27:59Like I know that recently about the lack

2:28:02of bikes. I think, you know, maybe we

2:28:04can figure out some better

2:28:07>> signage too that says like, you know, no

2:28:09unauthorized

2:28:11[clears throat] whatever. I know we have

2:28:12that sign, but I don't think the

2:28:14clientele that is using it is

2:28:18>> uh this is this is a little spreading

2:28:20the focus, but Charlie and I were

2:28:22talking about the visit Arlington

2:28:23magazine that came out

2:28:24>> and Hills was like

2:28:26>> awesome.

2:28:29But [clears throat] one of the one of

2:28:31the little bylines or blurbs under some

2:28:33Hills information was that ebikes were

2:28:36allowed in the park and they're not.

2:28:37>> So

2:28:39>> that's a problem.

2:28:39>> No motorized anything in the park is

2:28:41allowed and the ebikes and ego bikes are

2:28:45becoming

2:28:47sure we're all experiencing a thing.

2:28:50So

2:28:52right that's all I've got.

2:28:55Okay. That was a lot. Thank you a lot.

2:28:59>> There's a lot going on.

2:29:01>> Yeah. Oh, one thing I want to mention

2:29:03that the correspondents received is the

2:29:04town survey. Um, so I sent you this

2:29:08information and then Jen also sent me

2:29:10something else just about the town

2:29:11survey, the annual town survey and um,

2:29:14you know, Envision Arlington. They reach

2:29:16out to the chairs and liaison uh, to

2:29:18determine if we would like to see any

2:29:21questions be included in that town

2:29:23survey. Um, I don't have much

2:29:26I don't have a lot of familiarity with

2:29:28this, but I will look into it and see if

2:29:30there's certain questions that I think

2:29:32that we would like maybe to ask. But if

2:29:34all of you

2:29:36>> we have um we've asked different things

2:29:39about

2:29:41>> facilities like do we have enough

2:29:44playgrounds? Do we have enough whatever

2:29:46the topic that we wanted to reach a

2:29:50broader audience

2:29:53for? It's usually like one or two

2:29:55questions that they let you

2:29:59I don't remember what the I don't know

2:30:00if there was a deadline

2:30:04>> December

2:30:07was there was there was a year where

2:30:08questions were put in half

2:30:13>> so far connections with us so

2:30:17>> given that doesn't happen

2:30:19>> given um

2:30:21the conversations around fields right

2:30:24now and our study. Is there anything

2:30:26that we might want to ask in the town's

2:30:29survey about that?

2:30:30>> I don't think I since we're in the

2:30:33middle of it kind of like

2:30:38I can think of I mean

2:30:41we don't have enough

2:30:42>> Yeah,

2:30:44but it's an opportunity to get input on

2:30:48something that we might

2:30:51>> What's that?

2:30:54Yeah, it's possibly I mean if if the the

2:30:59working group

2:31:02um could is looking for some sort of

2:31:06feedback

2:31:07you know reaches very reaches every

2:31:09household. I just don't want it to be a

2:31:11[clears throat]

2:31:12>> randomyilly,

2:31:14you know, I want it to be purposeful and

2:31:17useful data that we

2:31:21>> So anyway, let's find out what the

2:31:22deadline is.

2:31:23>> How do you do that in the rec

2:31:24department? What about programming? What

2:31:27about what somebody what people what

2:31:29people would like to see from

2:31:31programming recreation hours?

2:31:34>> Um locations. I always feel like that. I

2:31:37know financially it becomes a little

2:31:40sketchy, but night times and at

2:31:43different elementary schools there's

2:31:44always sit there.

2:31:46>> You know, more people are more likely to

2:31:49go to something, you know, after dinner

2:31:52at their local elementary school than

2:31:54they would to

2:31:55>> Yeah.

2:31:56>> anywhere else.

2:31:56>> See you there.

2:31:57>> Oh, sorry. [laughter]

2:32:00>> Not yours. Whatever.

2:32:02>> Okay,

2:32:04>> that's okay. Definitely not going to

2:32:05Jensen.

2:32:08>> Go to Jensburg.

2:32:10[laughter]

2:32:10>> I'm just giving you a hard time. It's

2:32:11just expensive to go to those.

2:32:13>> That's what my That's why I started it

2:32:15just very expensive.

2:32:17>> Yeah, it's expensive.

2:32:18>> I mean, again, survey might dictate how

2:32:21that process,

2:32:23>> right?

2:32:23>> Yeah.

2:32:24>> While we're on programming for a second,

2:32:26uh we added three new programs for uh

2:32:29the winter um that are going to be here

2:32:32on Sundays. Um, Minecraft Innovators

2:32:35class in the mornings, light a Lego

2:32:38class in the mornings, and then, uh,

2:32:40chess wizards. We'll be here on Sunday

2:32:42mornings as well.

2:32:43>> Sunday mornings.

2:32:44>> Yep.

2:32:45>> Curious to see how that works out.

2:32:47>> We got good numbers so far.

2:32:51>> Very interesting going into the colder

2:32:52months.

2:32:53>> Yeah.

2:32:54>> Yeah. I We had the building open for

2:32:57>> for super soccer already, so

2:33:01good.

2:33:03Okay,

2:33:04>> that's great.

2:33:05>> Um, correspondence received. We have um

2:33:10a letter from

2:33:12Liz Riceberg.

2:33:16um

2:33:19about the conversation. Everybody saw

2:33:21that. Um Laura Key

2:33:26uh just writing I think she included

2:33:30some of the user groups as well.

2:33:34Um I have to say I think I was at a

2:33:36different meeting.

2:33:38>> Then we have David Lewig about the

2:33:42George Grant.

2:33:44um

2:33:47uh you know plaque.

2:33:50>> Yes.

2:33:50>> Yeah. And we see that we all got

2:33:55very sweet.

2:33:56>> He does not want to be referred to as

2:33:59the realtor.

2:34:02Um which is very sweet. Um Max Rome

2:34:07about uh just wanting to be in touch

2:34:09with you, Natasha. I think

2:34:11>> Max, where's that

2:34:13>> about the Charles River water

2:34:14association?

2:34:15>> Oh, so this I was putting out to the

2:34:18commission um mainly because I I don't

2:34:20think I'm the right person to talk about

2:34:22the history of the Reservoir Beach and I

2:34:24didn't know if anyone else [laughter]

2:34:28Leslie that was perfectly timed.

2:34:34I think you would be great, Leslie.

2:34:36[laughter]

2:34:37And you have all of the history other

2:34:40than my five my five-year-old swimming

2:34:42lessons. That's all I got.

2:34:44>> Okay. So, maybe Leslie can put Max in

2:34:47touch.

2:34:47>> I promise I won't talk about

2:34:51>> Oh my god.

2:34:52>> All right.

2:34:53>> I promise I won't.

2:34:55>> That's a lot about you, actually.

2:34:58>> All right. Then we have a a question

2:35:01about um lowflying model rockets.

2:35:04>> Oh yeah.

2:35:05>> Which is an interesting question that

2:35:07has come to us before. Um

2:35:10>> it wasn't I was trying to figure out

2:35:12what that I was trying to remember what

2:35:13that was. Wasn't that like the Boy

2:35:15Scouts or Yeah. organization?

2:35:18>> Yeah. It's by Park Field Playground. And

2:35:22we've had them also in Clinton. I

2:35:24believe that they shot the Rockets from

2:35:27the

2:35:27>> They have wanted poets every year.

2:35:29>> The poets.

2:35:30>> Yeah, they wanted poets every year.

2:35:31>> Who's they?

2:35:32>> Who?

2:35:32>> Uh the top the Cub Scouts who?

2:35:37>> So we don't need anything. We don't know

2:35:39anything. I mean there should be a

2:35:40permit.

2:35:41>> They do do a permit.

2:35:42>> Okay. Oh, so this has been allowed.

2:35:44>> Yeah, it's been brought to us many

2:35:45times.

2:35:45>> I think so.

2:35:46>> Towards the window. It's been brought.

2:35:48It's been they've been doing it for

2:35:50>> all sorts of

2:35:52>> But that's the the scouts,

2:35:55>> right? Like this is a this is a

2:35:56>> seems a little more upscale.

2:35:58>> This is like a want to do it on his

2:36:00birthday party. I feel like the scouts

2:36:02was more of a special request.

2:36:05>> Um so maybe that is a kid.

2:36:08>> I think it's a company that's doing it.

2:36:10>> I think this is a man. It's a

2:36:12>> launch a few on my birthday with some

2:36:14friends.

2:36:14>> It doesn't say it's a kid.

2:36:16>> You know what? You're right. I made an

2:36:17assumption. I'm really sorry.

2:36:18>> I just I mean this is a well written

2:36:21>> so I I guess I have concerns just

2:36:25because it is lighting uh flame

2:36:29>> on the public like what

2:36:31>> I reached out to the police and fire.

2:36:33>> What if something goes wrong?

2:36:35We've approved this. I let me circle

2:36:38back.

2:36:38>> Yeah. Where they land on top. I mean

2:36:40there's lots of

2:36:42>> Well, I I think we have to have a little

2:36:43more details about the rockets. I mean,

2:36:46>> and I would actually say the same about

2:36:48the Boy Scouts. I'm not I

2:36:49>> Yeah, like

2:36:50>> they're pretty I mean I I would a long

2:36:54time ago, but I would make them and and

2:36:56fire them off. And Northeast Ohio,

2:36:58there's a lot more room, so I don't have

2:37:00to worry about that. But um

2:37:02>> they're super safe. The the worst thing

2:37:04that can happen is you lose your rocket

2:37:06and it ends up hanging from

2:37:08>> depend on the kind of rocket that we're

2:37:10talking about. Are you talking about the

2:37:11Boy Scout rockets or you talking about

2:37:12>> They're going to be the same rockets. So

2:37:13you can do model rockets with a single

2:37:15little engine and single or a couple

2:37:17seconds and it go up and it's fine.

2:37:19>> Yeah.

2:37:20>> Just requested.

2:37:21>> Yeah. Low flying I think is a technical

2:37:23term. They don't go into orbit.

2:37:26>> Musk.

2:37:29>> Yeah.

2:37:31>> I think the Cub Scouts are

2:37:34>> I mean the Cub Scout is a supervised

2:37:37activity. There's adults.

2:37:39>> Yeah. I don't know. I don't know about

2:37:40this one. Sorry information.

2:37:44>> And if it's in up in par with what we're

2:37:47experienced before, then

2:37:49>> yes supervision people.

2:37:51>> Yes.

2:37:52>> Um this could be a man. I don't know.

2:37:55But um okay. Adult pickle ball. Um

2:37:59>> we have a question. Oh, so this is just

2:38:01we already talked about that one.

2:38:04And then the town survey. And uh so it

2:38:06says our timeline complete the first

2:38:08draft of the sur survey by November

2:38:1023rd. So um but in L's email to you it

2:38:14said uh comments by November second.

2:38:18>> If so please submit your question. He's

2:38:21on the um this is his personal email and

2:38:25so that made me think he's just part of

2:38:27the envision Arlington.

2:38:29>> Yeah to some of them. Oh yeah, he did

2:38:34the select, but he could still be part

2:38:36of admission.

2:38:38>> Okay. All right. So, he says, um, please

2:38:41submit your questions by Friday, October

2:38:4430th.

2:38:45>> Okay.

2:38:46>> Intend to do so.

2:38:49>> Okay. But they're finalizing things in

2:38:52December.

2:38:52>> Yeah.

2:38:53>> Okay.

2:38:54>> All right. Um, comments for future

2:38:57meetings. Um, I had a couple of

2:39:00questions.

2:39:01Um, did what ever happened with the

2:39:05monotony

2:39:07um block? I thought they were going to

2:39:09come to us for the permit.

2:39:13>> In fact, I just saw that in the meeting

2:39:14minutes that I had requested that they

2:39:16come to us.

2:39:17>> Oh, boy. Okay. I'm sorry. I miss

2:39:19>> That's okay. I just there was something

2:39:22about

2:39:24>> they have um

2:39:27>> the spooky walk. Does anyone know that?

2:39:30>> That's right. The new information was

2:39:31somebody

2:39:36know that.

2:39:37>> All right. I know when it is. Uh yes.

2:39:41>> Okay.

2:39:42I assume it's not on Halloween or maybe

2:39:46it is on Halloween.

2:39:46>> That's weekend before. Okay.

2:39:48>> Weekend before.

2:39:49>> I think so.

2:39:50>> 24th.

2:39:51>> Yep.

2:39:52>> Saturday.

2:39:52>> Oh, so that's like a week and a half

2:39:54away.

2:39:55>> Okay.

2:39:57>> Okay. Um Well, okay. So, as a temporary

2:40:00thing for parking here, uh Saturdays are

2:40:03what? Did we already say that?

2:40:05>> Sorry.

2:40:06>> Yeah. Is there a police detail?

2:40:09>> Uh [snorts] it's not a police I don't

2:40:10know if there's a police detail on this.

2:40:12This was I got a parking request from

2:40:14the board. That's what this was just

2:40:17notifying me that parking restrictions

2:40:19were

2:40:20permitted by the select board. Um I will

2:40:23confirm with those other pieces. I got

2:40:26myself

2:40:27>> I think most importantly is the police

2:40:29department wherever it's happening

2:40:30because I believe they may have put

2:40:32signs up in the past.

2:40:34>> I thought we required them to have

2:40:35police detail.

2:40:39I think they were trying to gather

2:40:41detail and that's why they needed the

2:40:43approval

2:40:44>> so they could have time to arrange the

2:40:45detail.

2:40:46>> They don't need our approval for detail.

2:40:51>> Okay. Um yeah, because that's a huge

2:40:54event and um yeah,

2:40:56>> and if it's a beautiful night, it's a

2:40:58gym window.

2:41:00>> Yeah. The weather

2:41:02>> if the weather's good. Whoa.

2:41:05>> These I wanted to ask about the fishing

2:41:08line working group. Is there one?

2:41:10>> There is one. We haven't met in a while.

2:41:12Um it's just been really crazy busy. So,

2:41:16uh we do need to re-engage that. Um the

2:41:19last meeting that we had, we had a

2:41:21representative from the group who was

2:41:23going to um make some GI GIS like GI GIS

2:41:29mapping um of like the area. and we were

2:41:32starting to talk about being able to um

2:41:35document where some of the entanglements

2:41:37were so that we would have some some

2:41:39data. So um I believe he's completed

2:41:41that. Some of the other things he talked

2:41:43about in that were uh the possibility of

2:41:45installing um a small shed type thing

2:41:48with a lock on it so that we could have

2:41:51equipment for um those volunteers doing

2:41:54the work so that they could access it

2:41:56and remove um as necessary. Um, we also

2:42:00talked about some signage, uh, you know,

2:42:03putting out signage that is not just

2:42:06words, but really like sort of pictures

2:42:08of what can happen when, um, a frog or,

2:42:12you know, this wildlife can be

2:42:13entangled. So, we those are some of the

2:42:15things that we talk about. We just

2:42:16haven't brought those to the next phase,

2:42:18which is reviewing them. What do we

2:42:20think? And when are we going to bring it

2:42:21up before the commission for approval?

2:42:23So, it's just one of these things that

2:42:26um, yes, it exists. No, we haven't been

2:42:29meeting as frequently as I had hoped.

2:42:32>> Um, we need to get back to it.

2:42:33>> Okay.

2:42:34>> And you said you did have someone join

2:42:36from the water bodies.

2:42:38>> Yeah. Um, is it

2:42:40>> Maryanne?

2:42:42>> Who's her what's her name?

2:42:43>> Joanna. Joanna.

2:42:45>> Preston.

2:42:45>> No. Um, so I guess I had just had a

2:42:50question about [snorts] I know in the

2:42:53last meeting we had talked about classes

2:42:56and um you had said that you had already

2:42:59had a couple classes

2:43:01>> and can we continue with those through

2:43:03the winter months even

2:43:06>> and do we was that in conjunction with

2:43:09the mass fish and wildlife folks?

2:43:12>> Yes. So, the lessons that we had were

2:43:14with Mass Wildlife and they came out on

2:43:16site and did some demonstrations and

2:43:18things like that. Um, we can certainly

2:43:20reach back out to them. I don't know if

2:43:22they do winter type things or whatever

2:43:25>> calendar for the early spring

2:43:27>> one. Yeah. And we're probably going to

2:43:28be limited to the number of sessions

2:43:30that they will do. So, one of the things

2:43:33that we sort of talked about too

2:43:34internally was um trying to see if maybe

2:43:37we can record that

2:43:38>> and post it on sort of our website as

2:43:42well as partnering maybe with the tackle

2:43:45>> group

2:43:46>> to see if we can do like a train the

2:43:48trainer type thing um so that we can run

2:43:50more of those programs or even finding

2:43:52an angller who might be interested in in

2:43:54sort of doing these things um for free.

2:43:57Not we would want to be charging for

2:43:59this.

2:44:01So yeah, so those are like we've got all

2:44:03these like sort of things that are

2:44:05floating but nothing has been

2:44:07>> was there because I was poking around on

2:44:09the wildlife mass wildlife fish and

2:44:11wildlife website. I was just curious

2:44:13about um whether licenses like was that

2:44:17something that is needed on these small

2:44:20properties. I don't know um if that's

2:44:22the case you know again just more

2:44:25education and getting spreading the word

2:44:27and right making people more aware. So,

2:44:29typically for kiddos, I think under the

2:44:31age of 16, maybe 15, I'm not sure. You

2:44:34don't need a license. For anyone else,

2:44:36you're supposed to have a license. Um,

2:44:39>> you don't need it or it's not there's

2:44:40not a fee for it

2:44:42>> there. You don't get one. You don't have

2:44:45to apply for one.

2:44:46>> Okay.

2:44:46>> Um, so if you're older than that, you

2:44:48have to apply for one. And if you're

2:44:50caught fishing um by the fishing game,

2:44:54then they can actually confiscate your

2:44:56gear, your tackle, you know, all of that

2:44:59stuff.

2:44:59>> I don't know how frequently that

2:45:01happens. Also, because we're such a

2:45:03small

2:45:04>> entity, I don't think the fishing game

2:45:06are really

2:45:07>> No, we're not there. We're not that

2:45:09tired,

2:45:10>> right?

2:45:10>> Coming out to do those types of things.

2:45:13Yeah.

2:45:13>> It's more just like education again,

2:45:16just like having having a process that

2:45:19kids So, if they don't need a license,

2:45:21then having a process where kids go

2:45:23through some sort of class um with their

2:45:27parent ideally um and have like a tag

2:45:31that shows that they've gone through the

2:45:33class so that

2:45:35>> you know just for our own sake. I don't

2:45:36know. Just a thought.

2:45:37>> Yeah. I don't I don't want to be part of

2:45:38the committee, but I just want to

2:45:40>> Yeah. I don't know if we can necessarily

2:45:42require that because there would be

2:45:43enforcement piece and like what do we

2:45:45you know? Yeah. Um, but I think it's

2:45:47it's a good idea to get as many people,

2:45:50you know, trained up, especially these

2:45:52these younger kiddos on the right ways

2:45:54to fish and remove tackle and and all of

2:45:58those things. So, um, yeah, we'll keep

2:46:00on working at it. But, uh, Joanna, I

2:46:02think from the water bodies working

2:46:04committee, um, she actually had an idea

2:46:06to to reach out to one of the teachers

2:46:09at the high school, I think. Um, I have

2:46:10to go back through my emails, but she's

2:46:12on our group now. So, um, yeah, we just

2:46:15need to

2:46:16>> we need to schedule

2:46:21>> Okay. Um, any anybody else have

2:46:24anything? Any comments for future

2:46:26meetings or

2:46:29>> I just got a few questions. I don't know

2:46:31if that's good business. I brought up

2:46:32Rect Tech. Did anything ever happen with

2:46:35the um that Lexington group in the

2:46:37bubble?

2:46:39>> Is there any followup with that?

2:46:41>> Tennis bubble. tennis.

2:46:43No, not [clears throat]

2:46:46>> um they just said to keep them in mind

2:46:48for any projects.

2:46:49>> I know they're talking to other

2:46:52communities, too. So,

2:46:53>> yeah.

2:46:54>> Um and the lacrosse shed. Anything

2:46:58happening with that?

2:46:59>> Nothing yet. I'm waiting to hear back

2:47:00from um the state on I asked very

2:47:03pointed questions like

2:47:06>> these three things and they haven't got

2:47:08back to me. So I

2:47:09>> should

2:47:11talk to the state

2:47:13>> because it's a structure.

2:47:14>> It's considered a structure. Putting a

2:47:16structure on the landfill. It's very

2:47:19clear on the um permitting conditional

2:47:22whatever it is that it's called. Um so

2:47:25that's why I was asking them we put that

2:47:27on there if this is going to be

2:47:29something that has to be a change in

2:47:31that use whatever. Um

2:47:35>> what is the shed? Is the lacrosse club

2:47:39purchasing a shed?

2:47:40>> Yeah, they they wanted to for years and

2:47:44then there was first the issue of that

2:47:46old language about you can't have a

2:47:49woodshed.

2:47:50>> Yes,

2:47:51>> we got wood sheds all over our parks.

2:47:53>> So, okay.

2:47:55>> Well, I thought we were I I thought Jeff

2:48:00went and found that we didn't

2:48:03>> we did a we did a survey for sheds. We

2:48:05don't have as many gem as we think that

2:48:07we do.

2:48:08>> Um,

2:48:08>> yeah, Sid went out and did a bunch of

2:48:10them. Huge list.

2:48:11>> Yeah.

2:48:13>> Out of all the fields, I think we saw

2:48:15one at Buzzle. We saw one at

2:48:17>> her is wood.

2:48:19>> Herd. Yeah.

2:48:19>> Um,

2:48:22Buzzle is they have a small wood um near

2:48:27the ports.

2:48:28>> Yep. So, Buzzle Herd.

2:48:30>> Um, I think that's it. That's only the

2:48:33metal green ones.

2:48:35>> Yeah. So, we did a we did a walk through

2:48:38and found um [clears throat] those

2:48:40[snorts] I can certainly share that.

2:48:43Um

2:48:44>> yeah, I think we talked about

2:48:52>> look at the meeting minutes.

2:48:55>> Okay. What else?

2:48:56>> No, that was it. I just they keep asking

2:48:59me what's going on with it and they said

2:49:01that you've been in talks with them.

2:49:04>> Yeah, I put but it's been kind of on a

2:49:06stand still to do this.

2:49:08>> Yeah.

2:49:09>> Okay, that's it.

2:49:11>> Okay. Anybody else questions, comments?

2:49:19>> Okay.

2:49:23>> Second.

2:49:28Thank you.

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