2026-10-01 - Conservation Commission

00:14Welcome everyone. Um, this is Jackie

00:17Arlington's conservation administrator.

00:19This October 1st, 2026 meeting of the

00:22Arlington Conservation Commission will

00:23be conducted in a remote format

00:25consistent with state legislation that

00:27extends remote participation in public

00:29meetings until June 30th, 2027. This

00:32meeting is being recorded and the

00:33recording may be made publicly

00:34available. All materials for the meeting

00:36are available at the link which I will

00:38post in the chat shortly. Please note

00:40the Zoom chat feature may be used for

00:42questions and comments that contribute

00:43to the commission's procedures. If it is

00:45used otherwise, it may be disabled at

00:47the chair's discretion. Public comment

00:49period will follow each hearing. The

00:50conservation commission encourages

00:52attendees to ask questions and offer

00:53comments during the public comment

00:55period. Chuck Terrone, the commission

00:57chair, will facilitate this meeting.

00:59Each vote taken during this meeting will

01:00be conducted via roll call vote. Chuck,

01:04can you please take attendance and

01:06review the agenda?

01:08>> All right. Thanks, Jackie. Uh, so it's

01:10uh 7:02 and it's uh Thursday, October

01:141st. So, uh, our agenda is going to

01:17start out with a review of the minutes

01:18from 8:17 2026. Then we'll go on to

01:22correspondence.

01:24And from there we will um have a

01:28discussion about um

01:32enforcement of 103 Donike Street and

01:35then updates from fishing line working

01:38group water body CPA tree Simons um SIMS

01:43conservation restriction. Uh some of

01:45those we won't be hear because people

01:47aren't here tonight. Uh then we're going

01:49to talk about

01:52conservation commissioner's application

01:55and then a request from spy pond

01:57committee which may or may not be uh

01:59postponed until our next meeting. So,

02:01our two hearings tonight um for a notice

02:04of intent at 53A Park A that has been

02:09continue to our next meeting which is um

02:13the 15th and uh the next one is uh Zero

02:19Reed Street which is withdrawn and I

02:22check the D portal and they have it

02:26marked as withdrawn and with that I'll

02:29take attendance And so tonight's

02:31attendance will begin with Mike Gilbert

02:33game.

02:33>> Yes.

02:35>> Susan Chavnik

02:36>> here.

02:37>> David White,

02:38>> I'm here.

02:41>> Uh David Kaplan's next. I don't see him

02:44here. Brian McBride's next. And I don't

02:46see Brian here. And Chuck Terrone is

02:49here.

02:50Uh and our two associate members are not

02:53here either. Sarah El Farrell Franco and

02:55Eileen Coleman. Oh, Sarah's here.

02:57>> Oh, Sarah. Yep. Present.

03:00present. Uh Sarah Al Faroh Franco is

03:03here. All right. So, um as commissioners

03:08might have noticed that we don't have

03:11any hearings tonight, and I think they

03:14came in as we were doing our

03:17our uh prep meeting with Jackie the

03:20other night on Tuesday. So, there wasn't

03:23much notice to let anyone know.

03:28So, let's just get started and maybe we

03:31can get through this real quickly since

03:33we're here anyways. So, let's start with

03:36the review of the minutes uh for

03:37September 17, 2026.

03:41Do I have that right? Yeah.

03:44Okay.

03:45Okay. I can share those on the screen

03:53and they were reviewed by Susan Chupnik.

04:04Okay,

04:07sorry about my Google Drive storage. Um,

04:10but there are the draft minutes from

04:13September 17th. Um, I think Susan edited

04:17within the document. I'm not sure if

04:20anyone else added anything.

04:23>> I looked it over and no changes.

04:25>> I didn't change anything.

04:27>> Thank you.

04:30>> Okay.

04:31>> It was a short meeting, too.

04:34>> Yeah. So, that's

04:36just scrolling through. We had um

04:40>> what were the hearings?

04:41>> Long discussion about

04:42>> Yeah.

04:42>> Park A. This was the coal and lumber

04:45application which was a new one at the

04:47time. Um,

04:48>> and that's the one that's being

04:49continued, Jackie.

04:51>> Yes.

04:51>> Okay. So, we don't need to look at what

04:53we asked them to do there. Okay.

04:56>> Um, yeah, they didn't have time to

04:57submit the materials, but they actually

04:59submitted some today.

05:00>> Great.

05:01>> Um, so zero reads tree, we continued.

05:05Um, we had a few reports from David. We

05:10had the goat allocation of funds for the

05:13goat landscaping

05:15and a few updates on all of our

05:18discussion items and the commission

05:19applications

05:22and then the enforcement order at

05:24Thornike.

05:27>> All right.

05:30Any comments?

05:32Uh my only comment is uh September 17th

05:35is um couple months into the new year

05:39for uh conservation administ uh

05:41conservation

05:43uh commissioners and you have Nathaniel

05:45Stevens as absence. I think it's term

05:47ended on July 1st.

05:51>> So I'm trying to confirm that. Chuck, I

05:54sent an email to Jennifer, but I she

05:56hasn't written that. Jennifer asked me

05:58for everyone's terms and I didn't have

06:00everyone's yet cuz I was looking through

06:02David's emails, but I did find that

06:04Nathaniel was reappointed last year.

06:07>> Oh, he was

06:08>> three years.

06:09>> Yes, he agreed to it knowing that he

06:12probably wouldn't stay three years. Um,

06:14and he had made that comment at the

06:16time.

06:16>> Okay. So, he's still officially a

06:18commissioner but absent. Okay.

06:20>> Yeah. So, I might as well uh should have

06:22mentioned him when I called out uh roll

06:24call. Okay. That's all that

06:28>> unless we unless we want to ask him if

06:31we should just take him off now if he

06:32wants to send his formal resignation. It

06:35seems silly because he's not coming to

06:36any of the meetings.

06:38>> Yes.

06:39>> He's actually in Santa Fe right now.

06:42>> Yeah. I think he had said he was

06:45resigning as soon as we found a

06:47replacement, but he didn't give a date.

06:50So,

06:50>> Right. But I mean, if that takes six

06:54months to a year, it seems I don't know.

06:56It's up to you, Chuck, what what you

06:58want to do.

06:59>> Um, yeah. So, I mean,

07:02>> you can reach out uh we can reach out to

07:05Nathaniel, but I think

07:07>> especially with what's happened with our

07:09applicant, um I think that maybe we

07:12should reach out to Nathaniel and uh see

07:13if he wants to continue on or just um

07:17you know, drop right now.

07:20>> Okay. So, that's something that we can

07:22talk about. Uh, it's more of an

07:23administrative thing just than finding

07:26out where Nathaniel is with that. So,

07:27since he's still in Santa Fe, I think we

07:29should just wait until our next meeting

07:31and uh see what happens there. All

07:33right.

07:34>> Sounds good.

07:35>> Okay. Um,

07:37>> so I make a motion to approve the

07:39minutes

07:41>> from 9:17. Sorry.

07:42>> David White seconds. So, Mike Gildiskin,

07:46>> yes.

07:47>> Susan Chapnik,

07:48>> yes. David White.

07:49>> Yes.

07:50>> And Chuck Terron says, "Yes." The

07:52minutes for 8:17 have been

07:56>> 9:17.

07:56>> 9:17.

07:57>> 917.

08:01>> Okay. Uh we're moving on to

08:03correspondence, which is available at um

08:07is available to the public. And for a

08:09full list, just reach out to Jackie.

08:12And if you're having any trouble, you

08:14can you can actually find it on our

08:15website. And if you're having trouble,

08:18reach out to Jackie and she'll help you

08:20find the correspondence.

08:22Our first discussion item tonight,

08:25which is on the agenda, I think these

08:28things are as updates. So our first

08:30update tonight is for the enforcement

08:32order for 103 Thornike. And I believe

08:36Francis and

08:39Chan is here.

08:43And I think we should start, well, let

08:47me know if we should start with a site

08:48visit report because I think that will

08:51help us out a lot. And I know Susan was

08:54there, but I'm not sure who else was

08:55there. Mike, were you there?

08:58>> I was not there.

09:00>> Brian was there.

09:02>> So Susan, it's up to you to give the

09:04site visit report

09:05>> or Jackie.

09:08>> Do it, Jackie, or you want me to do it?

09:09Want me? If you do it, I can write the

09:11minutes. Okay, that sounds good. All

09:13right, so um if you just remind me the

09:16date we went because I forgot

09:21date

09:22>> it was Friday.

09:23>> It was last.

09:23>> Was it last Friday? Okay.

09:26>> Um September 24th.

09:28>> Thank you. So on September 24th, Jackie,

09:31myself and and Brian McBride did a site

09:35visit um with the applicants with Chman

09:39and the and the owner. They were both on

09:42site and and I forgot the other

09:44gentleman who was there. Um she was he

09:49>> an engineer or

09:51>> he's the contractor.

09:52>> The contractor. Okay.

09:53>> Um so we went to see that the site was

09:57secured. Um that uh water was not

10:01standing water was not in the hole of

10:04the foundation.

10:06and um to also talk about the minor

10:10modifications that the applicant had

10:13said they wanted to do to get an idea of

10:16what that was. So the site overall

10:19seemed secure with the ex minor

10:21exception of we asked them to shore up

10:25some erosion control around the sides

10:28that that needed to be um done. And um

10:33was there anything else, Jackie? I think

10:35that was ju just erosion control there.

10:38Is that right? Okay. And then um there

10:40wasn't standing water. There's a little

10:42bit of a puddle on the bottom. Um ground

10:44water is right there. It just seeps up.

10:47We did have a discussion about

10:49dewatering because there was some

10:51confusion about that. And as we

10:54reported, as the applicant reported

10:56before, they had a dewatering protocol

10:58which was approved by the town engineer,

11:01but it hadn't gone to conservation

11:03commission, which was required by one of

11:06our special conditions. So they did

11:08submit that to Jackie and we did um

11:12verbally approve on site that they

11:14should dewater because we were just

11:16right before the nor easter and we

11:18wanted to make sure they had that

11:20direction you know even before they came

11:23to the commission that we wouldn't just

11:25fill up with water in the foundation. Um

11:28so so that um they had that directive

11:32and then we talked about um on site what

11:35the modifications were that they were

11:38planning on submitting and the

11:40modifications they're planning on

11:42submitting um have to do not have to do

11:46with the foundation or starting the

11:48work. It has to do with work later. So,

11:51it has to do with adding on a a second

11:53floor and of the building on a deck and

11:58also changing the patio pavers

12:02um to gravel and extending them a little

12:06gravel with a grid underneath so that

12:08they would be stable um but still porous

12:11pvious. So um we had said and then they

12:15wanted to do a preconstruction meeting

12:19and we had said well the order that you

12:22need to do things in is is we bring the

12:24enforcement order back to the commission

12:26which we are doing tonight. We report

12:28that the site is stable which it is the

12:30silt sacks were in place etc. and that

12:33and that then we can set up a

12:37pre-construction meeting without your

12:40modifications and work under the

12:42existing permit because all they wanted

12:44the pre-construction meeting for is to

12:46finish the foundation, fill it in,

12:49that's not changing and that will

12:51stabilize the site for the winter as

12:53well if no other work is getting done.

12:56So I think that is important and we we

12:58talked about that stabilization

13:00and then they would planning on coming

13:03back with plans to show the minor

13:06modifications because we said we got we

13:08are going to need specifications for the

13:10changes of the pavers. Um, so I think

13:15that's where that's where we left it and

13:18um it's it's my opinion that the

13:21enforcement order actions were taken,

13:24all of the actions, and that the site is

13:26compliant and secure right now.

13:30>> Is that Did I miss anything, Jackie?

13:35>> I think that was a good summary.

13:37>> Okay. Great.

13:38>> Yeah. And I did receive photos that the

13:41um erosion control had been fixed.

13:43>> Okay. And I do have photos of the site

13:45if anybody's interested in in see Well,

13:48Jackie has photos of the site if

13:50anybody's interested in seeing them.

13:51>> Who has the radio one?

13:54>> There's some background noise somewhere.

13:56>> Yeah. Who Who is that?

13:59>> Is that the Is that the playoffs or

14:01something like that?

14:02>> No, there no more playoffs.

14:03>> Okay. It it ended. Okay. Did you have a

14:06question, Chad?

14:06>> So,

14:07>> sorry. That was that was my

14:08>> Susan.

14:10>> That was my phone.

14:11>> I have I have another hearing going on,

14:13so I have the phone on.

14:16>> That's all right. It was just a little

14:18distracting.

14:21>> Much appreciated. Uh Jim, do you have

14:23anything to add to Susan's report?

14:26>> Uh no. I think um uh that's pretty much

14:30summarize what we talked about. Um I I

14:33guess our our intention is we actually

14:36have a pre-construction meeting

14:38scheduled for tomorrow morning. Um

14:41depending on um the commissioner

14:43>> What time is that?

14:44>> 8:00

14:46>> 8:00.

14:47>> Uh once once you get the go ahead, how

14:50long until you're um you have a

14:52foundation in place? Well, they the

14:55foundation we are installing right now

14:57is uh because of the site, we have the

15:00geotechnical report, we have soft soil.

15:03So, it's not going to be a traditional

15:04spread footings. It's going to be uh

15:06drill piles, helical piles. So, so we'll

15:10be driving piles um to the level that

15:15where the excavation is and we will put

15:18in uh gray beam on top of the new piles.

15:24And then we'll be back filling

15:27um up to the the the finished grade

15:31pretty much. And then there will be the

15:33vertical constructions. Um that's kind

15:35of like sequence. So um we'll be

15:39>> How long until you expect to back fill?

15:42>> I would say a couple months.

15:44>> Couple months.

15:46>> Yeah.

15:46>> Okay. And so the the hole is going to be

15:49wide open for a couple of months.

15:52probably before that I mean um the the

15:56pile driving should be pretty quick and

15:58then that will be the you know forming

16:00the gray beam on top and as and then as

16:04it's go you can start back fielding as

16:06as the as the work progress

16:10>> so then we might have to talk about snow

16:13right Chuck I wasn't thinking I thought

16:15we would get it stable before that

16:18>> we do but hold on a second

16:19>> okay

16:20>> uh Yeah. So, um I understand that.

16:24That's exactly why I asked that

16:25question. I didn't know if any other

16:26commissioners had questions. Um and I

16:30guess that's Mike and uh David tonight,

16:33which is great. We should always go with

16:34four. Can remember everyone's name. Um

16:38yeah, I agree with Susan. Uh since no

16:40other questions have come up, I agree

16:42with Susan. I think that um at the very

16:44least we should keep the enforcement

16:46order in place until you backfill.

16:51And so if we go out there and the pits

16:53open and there's a there's pooling

16:57water, we have the enforcement order in

17:00place to have action. Um what was the

17:03trigger, Jackie, on this uh enforcement

17:05order to start pumping?

17:10>> Um I don't know if it said

17:13>> um if I may jump in.

17:15>> Sure, please. If you know that. So the

17:17history of the project was we was

17:19approved it was approved by the

17:21commission like um back in 2020 24 and

17:25then they gone through some zoning uh

17:28amendment uh not zoning amendments

17:30zoning approval

17:32um and the prior the prior owner sold

17:36the project to the current owner. Um and

17:39the all of condition wasn't recorded and

17:42the new owner did not know there was a

17:45conservation approval at all. So they

17:48went ahead to get a building permit

17:49which they did and start constructions

17:52and all of a sudden um we got flagged by

17:56the conservation commissions and say oh

17:59we you know we haven't have a

18:01reconstruction meeting we haven't follow

18:03up all the um uh all of condition items

18:07you know um the the all the order wasn't

18:10recorded type of thing. So, and the

18:14owner stopped, they call me and we try

18:17to help out to get everything in order,

18:20uh, recorded the conditions and, uh,

18:23making sure all the site are secure and

18:25so forth. But all along they did all the

18:28work with the building department

18:30approval and the engine department

18:32approval uh, without knowing there was a

18:35conservation permit on hands. So they

18:39stopped and to took care of everything

18:41and here we are, you know, trying to um

18:43close the loop.

18:46>> Okay. So uh so my question to Jackie and

18:49I thought you may know the answer. What

18:51was the trigger for pumping uh when that

18:57uh excavated area starts filling up?

19:02>> I don't think that on the enforcement

19:04order.

19:05>> All right.

19:07So

19:08>> we we directed them to come to our

19:10meeting and before proceeding with work

19:13um

19:15stop work and come to our September 17th

19:18meeting.

19:20>> Jackie, do you for what you know about

19:21this project, do you feel like uh I know

19:23there's a lot of mosquito discussion and

19:25this might not we're getting to the end

19:27of mosquito season for sure. Um do you

19:30think

19:33everything is solved at this point? If

19:35it fills up with water, are we going to

19:36get some calls about

19:39standing water, which still can be an

19:40issue on its own, but uh it was mostly

19:43about mosquitoes?

19:46Yeah, I mean I imagine we could keep

19:47getting calls because we we did get

19:50calls and emails about the the water,

19:53but um

19:57yeah, I don't know. I don't know if if

19:59dewatering

20:01how much longer dewatering can be done

20:03during the construction process, but

20:06>> can be done the whole time.

20:08>> Yeah. So, Chi, can you keep dewatering

20:11if necessary? Okay.

20:12>> As you see, yes. you know, the members

20:15see on the site. Um, on a dry day,

20:17there's, um, pretty much just a minimal

20:20little puddles there. Um, we can we can

20:23start back filling those low spot. Uh,

20:26but, you know, it's really just need the

20:30watering on, you know, um, last couple

20:33days like after the raintorm and we were

20:36doing that. Now we have the com we have

20:39the permission from the commission to to

20:42do the watering.

20:44>> Okay. So let's let's not keep talking

20:47about this. Let's keep the um I think

20:49it's a good idea that we keep the

20:50enforcement order in place until you

20:52backfill and and you're going to take

20:54care of um any issues with um dewatering

20:58and we should have a trigger which I

21:00would say if there was more than I

21:04Jackie help me out here. Was it is two

21:07inches of water and after every

21:11half inch of rain it has to be checked

21:13out and it has to be pumped out if

21:15there's accumulates more than 2 in of

21:17water. Does that sound?

21:21>> Yeah. I mean it's the ground's a little

21:22uneven so there might be like a puddle

21:24with two inches. So maybe like average

21:27of 2 in of water would be a good way to

21:29phrase it.

21:30>> Okay,

21:30>> that makes sense.

21:31>> All right. And I see that Gman is uh

21:34saying yes to that also. So, we're going

21:35to keep the enforcement order in place

21:38and we're going to ask you as part of uh

21:41another step written into the

21:42enforcement order along with the trigger

21:44we just discussed is that you'll let us

21:46know uh 48 hours prior to back filling

21:49so we can uh schedule a site visit

21:52>> just to

21:53>> but we will let them have a

21:55pre-construction visit and start the

21:57work on the

21:59>> this Yeah, this has nothing to do with

22:01that. Okay. Yeah,

22:02>> because we had a stop work in the

22:04enforcement order. So, I want to make

22:05clear to Chan that

22:08>> that you have relief of that. Yes.

22:11>> So, we could resend the stop work as

22:13that part of the enforcement order.

22:15>> Yes.

22:16>> Okay. So, let's do that. And um

22:21so, Susan, you were uh Susan, Mike, or

22:25David, does anyone uh want to make a

22:27motion to resend the enforcement order?

22:30and then uh add the condition of um an

22:34average of 2 in of uh accumulated water

22:37in the pit needs to be uh pumped.

22:40>> So moved.

22:42>> A second.

22:45David White says second. Um so Susan

22:48Chapnik.

22:50>> Um I say yes, but do you open

22:52enforcement orders to the public or not?

22:53I don't think there's anyway. Okay. Yes.

22:57Thank you.

22:57>> Uh Mike Game.

22:59>> Yes.

23:01Uh, David White.

23:03>> Yes.

23:04>> Chuck Tony says yes. All right, you can

23:07start. We're gonna

23:09>> Well, after his pre-construction

23:11meeting, right?

23:12>> Yes.

23:13>> Yeah.

23:14Susan, I'm just not as quick as you are,

23:17so can you just give me a few minutes?

23:20Okay.

23:22Okay. So, yeah, you can start. And uh

23:25we're going to remove the uh stop work

23:27order. and you have an a

23:29pre-construction meeting with Jackie at

23:318:00 tomorrow.

23:32>> Okay. And I know we we submitted the

23:35modification plans, but I know it's not

23:37on the agenda. So, we can come back in

23:40the future and uh whenever Jackie can

23:44schedule us on the agenda, we can come

23:45back and talk about that.

23:47>> Thanks. Um yeah, that did require some

23:50notification to the commission once you

23:52uh are going to backfill of 48 hours.

23:55>> All right, that's great. Um, thank you

23:59for coming tonight and uh, enjoy your

24:01next meeting.

24:03>> Thank you.

24:04>> So, with that, we're going to move on to

24:06um,

24:09fishing line working group, which um,

24:13Commissioner Chapnik has been attending.

24:16I don't know if there's an update.

24:19>> There's actually no update for the

24:22fishing line working group. I don't know

24:24if you want me to discuss a little bit

24:26about Laura Key's project that we

24:28approved or you would rather not.

24:32>> Uh let's go through this and then we I

24:34think we can get to that. Um

24:38>> it's not really fishing line working

24:40group. It's tangent.

24:41>> Yeah, that's the thing. I think we we

24:43can talk about as

24:44>> they didn't meet.

24:46>> I did talk to Natasha and I said to her

24:48I'm disappointed. She said it's been

24:51hard to get it fit in and get everybody

24:53together and but she promised she would

24:55do it. So I'm expecting one, you know,

24:59soon.

25:01>> Okay. Yeah. So I know David had some

25:04concern about Laura Keiesel also. So I'm

25:06going to put that kind of at the end of

25:07all these updates.

25:09>> Sure.

25:09>> Um so we don't have anyone here for CPA

25:13uh for an update. So we'll move on from

25:15that to our tree committee liaison Sarah

25:18El Faroh Franco.

25:21>> I was out out of town when they had they

25:25held the uh tree committee meeting. So

25:28uh Jackie, did you attend that?

25:33>> Yes.

25:34>> Okay, good. Thank you.

25:37>> We did get um the warrant article

25:42approved. so that new members can I mean

25:46the the pre-existing members can rejoin

25:49the tree committee. So that's good news,

25:53but they still need to be officially

25:54reappointed,

25:57but that's been one of our major issues

25:59lately.

26:00>> Who officially reappoints them? Is that

26:02the select board?

26:03>> Yes.

26:04>> Okay. Thank you.

26:07All right.

26:08>> All right. I guess that's that's the

26:09update. Okay. So,

26:14we can't Brian's not here, so we can't

26:16do the SIMS uh conservation restriction

26:18or any updates on that. Then we're down

26:20to administrators report.

26:23Do you have anything to announce? Uh

26:26Jackie?

26:29Um, my announcement was going to be

26:31about the the commission terms, but if

26:33anyone is aware of your term, if you

26:36could send me that information because

26:38I'm working on making a list.

26:41I'm not sure if anyone holds the master

26:44list of that, but

26:44>> wouldn't wouldn't the uh um town clerk

26:47have those

26:48>> maybe? Yeah.

26:49>> Yeah, I would check with the town clerk

26:51because we have to go into the town

26:52clerk and sign

26:54>> Okay. um a document and you know raise

26:57our hands and say you know so um she

27:01would have them. Yeah.

27:03>> Yeah. It looked like Mike was this year

27:06so hopefully you got reappointed.

27:09Um

27:12>> and then Daniel was last year but I'm

27:14working on I I was digging through

27:16David's emails trying to find

27:18>> Yeah, I think it would be easiest just

27:20to reach out to the clerk.

27:22>> Okay. um and and go that way instead of

27:24taking through emails.

27:26>> Okay. I have a question then.

27:29If if Mike was not reappointed,

27:33>> does that mean he wasn't a full

27:34commissioner?

27:36>> Can we just assume he was was because I

27:39wouldn't want to consider any votes

27:42invalid.

27:44>> Well, why don't we find out?

27:45>> Okay. Before we play this game of

27:49>> what if.

27:50>> Okay. I think all you have to do from

27:52what my understanding is and Mike you're

27:54u muted. My understanding is when they

27:57reach out when the select board's office

27:58reached out to you, you just have to let

28:00them know that you intend to reapply.

28:03You don't have to show up. So none of

28:05that needs to happen. So as long as Mike

28:07let them know that he wants to continue

28:09as a commissioner, it's it's all set.

28:13>> But don't you have to go back to the

28:14clerk's office sometime?

28:15>> You have to get uh Yes, you do have to

28:18get sworn in. Yeah,

28:20>> I will look at my paperwork and see what

28:22I can come up with. And uh Jackie, if

28:25you check with the town clerk, that

28:27would be helpful as well.

28:29>> Okay.

28:30>> Thank you.

28:31>> Okay.

28:36Um,

28:41so conservation commissioners

28:44applications, I'm assuming that has to

28:47do with

28:49um the two applicants that uh applied

28:53for

28:55um the two spots. So, I know that Susan

29:00has been talking. Is it Seth and Sarah?

29:04I believe I have that right. Well, Sarah

29:06let us know that she uh has some

29:10um some unexpected issues come up in her

29:12family and she's going to need to be a

29:14little uh flexible with her time and

29:17commitments and um she may be traveling

29:21at a moment's notice. Um so she um

29:28rescended her request to be on the

29:30conservation commission. Oh.

29:34And so um yeah, she was

29:36>> that's the way I felt too.

29:40>> Yeah. Um, so I think she was sent letter

29:44in along I don't know several months ago

29:47and um we had waited a good bit of time

29:51but uh it is what it is and um so we

29:54still have a spot open and so Nathaniel

29:57uh term being for the next two years

30:00assumably I think that um

30:04you know thank uh you may have to end up

30:08coming here a little while longer. if if

30:11um if this keeps continuing. So, I'm

30:14going to let Susan talk about Seth

30:16because I think she had some direct

30:17communication with Seth and he was also

30:20attending our last meeting.

30:23>> Yes. So, I I um when I was at town um

30:27town day, Seth stopped by and we had a

30:30nice chat and he said he thinks that his

30:33skill set would be best for an associate

30:35position at this point because he really

30:37doesn't have any background in the

30:38wetland regulations and that he would

30:41love to take on a special project and he

30:43mentioned Pawn Lane, which might be a

30:46really good project for him to help

30:48spearhead. Um, and uh, so that was the

30:53conversation I had with him. Um, so I'd

30:57like to nominate Seth Federiel or as an

31:02associate member of the commission. Um,

31:04commissioners may not know, but we can

31:06have as many associates as we want.

31:09>> We're not limited by associates.

31:10>> That's a rule of play,

31:11>> right? It's we're limited in terms of

31:14full members. We're supposed to have

31:15seven. That's that's our full

31:17complement. Um but we're not limited by

31:19associate members and I think he would

31:22be an asset um help out help us out and

31:25he also said he's willing to learn you

31:27know and take courses so he could be a

31:30full commissioner at some later date.

31:33>> Sure. So we have a motion second that

31:37>> I'll second it.

31:38>> David White seconds. Um Mike Gildescame.

31:42>> Yes.

31:44>> Susan Chapnik.

31:45>> Yes.

31:46>> David White. Yes.

31:48>> And Chuck Terron says, "Yes,

31:50>> I also let Seth I also Susan gonna have

31:54>> I just want to tell the process to take

31:56away permissions from you." So did you

31:58did you read that part where I get to

32:00take away permissions where people keep

32:02>> Yeah.

32:03>> interrupting.

32:04>> Sorry.

32:05>> Yeah. So, I mean, I think, you know, in

32:09all seriousness, I think that everyone

32:10else kind of like gets my attention and

32:14raises their hand or something. And I

32:16think, you know, maybe it would be good

32:18for we're not to have this like Italian

32:21dinner thing going where just everyone

32:22just jumps in when they feel like it. I

32:24think it would bring order to the um to

32:28the meeting and it would at least get me

32:30to be able to think a little bit before

32:33I'm trying to worry about Susan saying

32:35something. And I'm going to say this

32:36here because it's only us. But I I would

32:39appreciate it Susan raising hands and

32:42not just taking off the old chair cap

32:46would be nice.

32:48Um okay, I see S Commissioner Chapnik

32:51has her hand up.

32:55Sorry, Chuck. Thanks. Um, for the

32:57reminder, I just wanted to make sure

33:00that Jackie understood the process

33:02because she's new. Um, so just because

33:06we vote doesn't mean that he gets in.

33:09So, we have to write a formal letter.

33:11You should be able to find a letter in

33:14your files that we've written before to

33:16the select board to say that we've

33:19nominated him, you know, unanimously for

33:24associate position. Um, and attach his

33:28resume with the letter. And usually they

33:32don't ask for him to be at the meeting,

33:34but they will put it on an agenda, but

33:35sometimes they ask. Actually, I went

33:37into the select board when I first

33:39became a commissioner 12 years ago. So,

33:42they might so make sure you knew that.

33:46>> I would just say I've gone in a couple

33:48of times and they

33:50it's it's a great experience. They

33:52really appreciate the work that the

33:54conservation commission and any board

33:56does and they take the opportunity to

33:58thank you and to say a few good words.

34:01So, if if you haven't been in a while,

34:03it's it's kind of nice to hear them talk

34:06about us that way and how much they

34:08appreciate anyone that's on a volunteer

34:11board. David White has his hand up. Hey.

34:16Um, Water Bodies, we're meeting next

34:19Thursday.

34:21Our big project for the coming months is

34:23to put together an RFP for the water

34:26bodies in Arlington. That's a big task.

34:31and we're going to try to move it along,

34:33but it's um I may ask you for support in

34:36various ways along the way.

34:40>> So that's with David absence, we're sort

34:43of really uh struggling to um pull the

34:46pieces together. So would it make would

34:50it be helpful? I mean Jackie, I know

34:53that you're stretched at the moment

34:57anyways.

34:58If I brought that question up to Claire

35:01and asked if there was someone to help

35:04with the RFP,

35:06I mean, obviously you would run a draft.

35:08They would finalize it and then you'd

35:10have to review it to make sure all

35:13all the language that you want and dates

35:15and whatnot are in there. Should I bring

35:18that up to Claire and see if uh she

35:20would like to uh assign someone to help

35:23out in David's absence?

35:27David White,

35:29>> that'd be a great idea.

35:32>> Okay, I will do that.

35:37Yeah,

35:42Jackie has her hand up. Hey, Jackie.

35:45>> Did already agree to do to draft the

35:47RFP?

35:49>> You already agreed to do it?

35:50>> That's one of the things I told David I

35:52would do. That's outside my usual job. I

35:55just haven't got to it yet. Great.

35:57Great.

35:58>> Beautiful. All right. Well, there you

36:00go. We saw that tonight.

36:04All right.

36:07Um

36:11the only other thing that was coming up

36:13um

36:15is uh the request for allocations of

36:17funds for the spy pond bank restoration.

36:21And we asked that um

36:24well I asked that that be pushed off

36:26because I wanted the commission to

36:29review um their budget and what they

36:32were asking for and have it I don't know

36:36on on a piece of paper at least

36:38something that we could upload and

36:40understand.

36:42You know, as I understand it, there's a

36:43request for some fencing and there's a

36:45request for some planting and I'll leave

36:48it at that because I think they'll be at

36:49our next meeting in which we've asked

36:51them to go to um that would be on the

36:5415th.

36:56Any other requests for that? Um

37:01>> restoration. Who's that?

37:03>> Who's applying for the funds? Uh

37:06>> spy pond. Uh uh friends of spy pond.

37:09Friends of

37:09>> spy pond park. Okay.

37:10>> Yeah.

37:12Yeah.

37:16Okay.

37:19Moving on. So, we promised the uh a

37:21little bit at the end about um well, let

37:25me just say that the the hearing. So,

37:27let's go into our hearings first. So,

37:28our hearing for notice of intent uh 53A

37:32PAC A has been continued until

37:38October 15th.

37:4015th.

37:42So, could I get a motion to continue

37:43that? Um,

37:46October 15th.

37:47>> I'll move to continue.

37:48>> I need a second.

37:50>> Second.

37:51>> Susan Chapnik,

37:54>> yes.

37:55>> David White,

37:56>> yes.

37:57>> Mike's game,

37:59>> yes.

38:00>> And Chuck Trown.

38:02And there's no process when someone

38:04withdraws. But I just want to let you

38:06know that um

38:08the zero read street

38:12um which was continued from 8206

38:18uh requested that uh their application

38:21was withdrawn. And I checked the website

38:23out tonight, the DB D portal, and it

38:27actually uh has it listed as being

38:29withdrawn on um September 30th.

38:35So that's

38:37not in front of us anymore. So you can

38:39uh save some save some space for that uh

38:42for some other discussion. And with

38:45that, I wanted to um

38:48start talking about a little bit. I'm

38:50not sure how appropriate it is to get

38:52completely into this, but uh Laura

38:55Keiesel had come to us and she asked to

38:57do some science science um citizen

39:01science at Hills Pond and she was going

39:04to uh amongst other things um camera

39:09the water area, put a camera in there,

39:12take some pictures,

39:14um

39:17look into the bank, try to find do some

39:20um uh magnet uh throw a magnet in, see

39:24what it see what it attaches to. Uh I

39:27think from what we've heard, I'm

39:29expected some fish hooks on that, but

39:32I'm not sure what else may come up. Um

39:36and so anyways, we had approved this

39:39after a presentation and um we

39:42encouraged her and uh I I believe we

39:45directed her to go to the park and Rex

39:48and uh also let them know about their

39:50project and she had done that and um as

39:54I understand it, it was um

39:59it was a tough it was a tough crowd and

40:02uh Laura came out of that thinking that

40:04um you know, she had been treated

40:06unfairly.

40:08I hadn't talked to Laura. Uh I know that

40:10Susan has, so I'm going to let her talk

40:12about that part if she wants to, but I

40:15think that it it's it's clear that um to

40:18me and to everyone here, it should be

40:20clear that Laura is not on the

40:21conservation commission.

40:24I mean, we want energetic people to do

40:28things around town. It's very helpful.

40:31It would be hard for a volunteer group

40:35to constantly have to find volunteers to

40:38do work when we make the process to get

40:42to the actual physical work so hard. Um,

40:48as again I said I I don't know what

40:50happened in the uh park and wreck

40:52meeting but I did talk to uh Natasha

40:55and she let me know that um

40:59the best way I would say is that she let

41:02me know that they had a different

41:03opinion of what happened and um

41:08at the end of the day she uh Natasha

41:11said that Laura can do her work

41:14as long as she fills out the forms that

41:17are needed to be filled out. And I

41:19thought that was different than I read

41:22in the emails. Uh but that's what that's

41:24what uh Laura said. And uh Laura did

41:28also ask me Oh, sorry. Yes.

41:30>> And Natasha did also say that it would

41:33be it would be great if um

41:37Laura was able to share the information

41:40with the conservation commission and the

41:42park and wreck committee prior to uh

41:45making it public and I let her know that

41:48um

41:50she had already talked to them and she

41:52had already talked to us and we made our

41:54requests and uh so we don't have any

41:57leverage at this point But um you know

42:00that's a good thing to think about when

42:02someone's asking you if they can work on

42:04your property. You might say that in the

42:05first place.

42:07So I don't know where that stands. Again

42:09I haven't talked to Laura but um you

42:12know at the end of the day after all the

42:14emails it sounded like uh Natasha said

42:17that uh as long as you fill out the

42:19forms that work that was described can

42:21happen. So, um, she was also looking for

42:26someone to fill in, uh, David's

42:28position. I guess they were, uh, they

42:30met once a month sporadically. From what

42:34she said, they had taken the entire

42:35summer off and with David leaving, I

42:38think they took a little more time off.

42:40So, we'll have to figure that out. I'm

42:42not sure. I Jackie, did you say you

42:44didn't have time for that? So, I think

42:48Is that what you let me know?

42:51Um,

42:53yeah, it depends. Um, sorry, I was

42:56working on the minutes, so I What is the

42:58last thing you said?

43:00>> Yeah, sure. So, I just said, um, when

43:02Natasha is having her meetings with the

43:05conservation office, now that David's

43:07gone, she asked me or or Susan to do

43:10that uh to do that meeting. And if I

43:12were to do it, it would be during the

43:14day. um it would be much easier for me

43:17to just have a 3:00 or 1:00 or whatever

43:20during my regular hours

43:22>> and um

43:24and so that might not be good for you

43:26and I know it wouldn't be but I didn't

43:28know if you had already said I I can't

43:30do it. I'm I'm I have too much on my

43:33plate at this moment anyways. Yeah, I

43:35mean I would appreciate if if you are

43:37able to do it because I do have a lot

43:39and my um regular work hours that I'm

43:44available very small amount of time. So

43:46>> sounds good. Okay. Uh Susan, before you

43:50start, I'd like to hear from Mike

43:51Gildersgame and David White. Uh as long

43:55as uh you both don't think that you'd

43:57like to hear from Susan first because

43:59she has

44:02quite she has more information. She has

44:04Laura's uh the discussion with Laura

44:07that she had.

44:10>> Let Susan go.

44:11>> Yeah. Go ahead, Susan.

44:17>> Was going to let you guys go.

44:20>> I just have a really quick question.

44:22>> Oh, sure.

44:23>> What sort of forms were being required

44:26by park and wreck?

44:28>> There was a waiver.

44:30>> Two waivers.

44:31>> Was it two waivers?

44:32>> Yeah. Was that true, Jackie? Two

44:34waivers, believe. I I saw I saw them

44:37very

44:39>> Yeah, there were two waivers. I think

44:41one of them wasn't had some language

44:43that wasn't applicable because it was

44:45about if she had other volunteers

44:47working with her and if she was removing

44:49things from the pond, which she's not

44:51doing. Um, so one of them didn't seem

44:54applicable. Um

44:57though I just saw an email that came

44:59around today and I don't know if it went

45:00to the concom that Laura is not going to

45:03sign the waiverss. So I don't know why

45:06this is getting escalated.

45:08>> Um

45:10>> I I spoke with Laura and I spoke with

45:12Natasha um because the unfortunate thing

45:15is that park andre does not record their

45:18meetings. So there was and I was not

45:21present. Chuck was not present. No one

45:23from the commission was present. So, we

45:26don't have firhand knowledge of really

45:28what happened. It's a he said, she said.

45:30Um, which is always a very sticky

45:33situation to be in. So, I wanted to talk

45:35to each one individually. Um, I would

45:38say the truth is probably somewhere in

45:40between both the extremes of Natasha

45:44saying it really wasn't that big a

45:46problem. there was some tension but it

45:50wasn't you know what she didn't feel

45:54people were being disrespectful and then

45:57Laura felt very disrespected and

46:00ambushed and um

46:04she she felt that that they were very

46:07angry at her. Um so there the truth

46:13probably is somewhere in between there.

46:15Um, but I can't say I wasn't there.

46:17>> What would they be angry about?

46:20>> Excuse me.

46:21>> What would they be angry about?

46:24Um, so what Laura said, and this these

46:28are Laura's words, is that several some

46:32of the members felt Laura had a bias

46:34that Laura wants to ban fishing at the

46:36pond. And so she has a bias and so she

46:40can't they don't want to approve any

46:43scientific investigation she does

46:45because she's biased. And she's told me

46:48she tried to explain how, you know, we

46:51all have biases. That's why you you do

46:53science to try to set up an experiment

46:56to get the data and then make a you know

47:00find out what's happening from the data

47:02which is why she's looking to do this

47:05work. Um and the conservation commission

47:09if you will remember we put some um

47:12requirements on it. We said we want her

47:14to use some kind of representative

47:16sampling technique so that the it would

47:20be si more scientifically valid wouldn't

47:22just be you know taking samples wherever

47:25she wanted. Um so um I think we were

47:30trying to to focus at that. I think

47:32there and and Natasha agreed that

47:34there's tension between Laura Keiesel

47:38and the Save Arlington Wildlife and Park

47:40and Wreck over other things over fishing

47:43line over other things. Um, so that

47:47tension may be spilled over into this

47:50meeting. That said,

47:53so I I'm not going to go to the he said,

47:54she said or what happened because I

47:56wasn't there. But what I will say is I'm

48:00concerned if a resident feels

48:02disrespected

48:04at a public meeting

48:07um because and I explained this to

48:10Natasha.

48:12I said at our public meetings at the

48:14conservation commission there are

48:16sometimes very

48:18um significant controversies and issues.

48:22I mean, you know, think of Thornike

48:24Place, think of the the turf fields, you

48:26know, that were great poets. I mean,

48:28we've we've handled some very thorny

48:30issues, but we try to be respectful. We

48:33don't always agree with everybody, but

48:35we'll be respectful about it or we'll

48:38say to a member of the public, please,

48:41you know, focus your comments on the

48:44issue at hand. if somebody is getting

48:47out of hand and speaking about

48:49somebody's personality or something and

48:52not the issue at hand. So I kind of

48:55explained that to Natasha. I said,

48:58"Natasha, you got lots of power." I

49:00said, "You really can, you know, help

49:03this commission, you know, if I said if

49:07that's an issue."

49:09So because I wasn't there. Um, so that's

49:12the way that's the way that ended up.

49:14But what I did I did end up with Natasha

49:17was that I I suggested and I talked to

49:20Chuck before this. I suggested that when

49:24there are citizen science or volunteer

49:27proposals that are in the water bodies

49:31that the conservation commission and the

49:33water bodies working group should have

49:35the lead. that we are the ones who

49:38should review it and discuss it and

49:41decide if it should move forward because

49:43we have more background and aptitude to

49:46do that than park and wreck. and she

49:50agreed with that because she said she

49:52was at a loss on this and she took Laura

49:56Keiesel's proposal and sent it out to

49:59Fish and Wildlife for review and Fish

50:01and Wildlife sent her some concerns back

50:05and that's what they went with. So, you

50:09know, we have a depth of experience for

50:11this kind of work that she doesn't have

50:13in her commission. And so, she agreed

50:16that that sounded like a good plan. And

50:18I said what we might want to do is work

50:20on that work on like a memorandum of

50:23understanding between the two

50:24commissions that if work is done in the

50:27water body that and the conservation

50:29commission has reviewed it and the

50:31conservation commission said no we'll

50:33put constraints on it or said yes with

50:36constraints on it that park and wreck

50:38would adopt it and she said that sounds

50:40on the surface like a really good path

50:42forward. So, I'm hoping that we can move

50:44the needle on that and that we won't

50:47have as many maybe as much friction with

50:50some of these projects in the future.

50:51So, that's where I ended that

50:53discussion.

50:55>> Yeah.

50:56>> So,

50:56>> yeah. So, we need a conservation

50:58administrator for sure, certainly to

51:01>> push some of these things forward. Yeah,

51:03I do think that's a good idea. I um

51:08I don't know how I feel if that pock

51:13agree to it, but it's good that uh

51:17Natasha feels that is uh you know a good

51:20step forward.

51:23So, all right. Well, that's that's what

51:25we know. I sent you the um the waiver

51:28forms. I sent David and um Mike the

51:32waiverss and Jackie I sent it to you

51:35too. I didn't know if maybe the rest of

51:36the commission wanted it or not, but if

51:38they ask or if you want to just send it

51:40to them anyways. Um but the waiverss are

51:43there. And so I don't know what's going

51:47to happen either. Um it seems like

51:52we'll just wait and see. Uh it sounds

51:54like that the work is as far as Laura

51:56Keiesel believes the work is going to

51:59happen this month.

52:11>> Hearing no other comments.

52:14>> I just had a quick question. I think we

52:16probably covered it before but I've

52:17forgotten. In terms of the legality of

52:20it, who actually owns the water body of

52:25Hills Pond? Is it the town of Arlington?

52:29Is it the park and wreck? Is it

52:32conservation? I mean, who who actually

52:34is the titled owner of that body of

52:37water?

52:38>> It's not conservation.

52:40>> So, could be I don't you know, does it

52:43say it accurately on the assessor's map?

52:46It's probably Townland and care and

52:49custody of the park and rack.

52:52>> Fair enough.

52:53>> Is anyone quick enough to check that

52:55out?

52:56>> I just wondered because I'm just

53:00thinking that if uh

53:02if it is park and wreck, then the park

53:05and wreck folks have every right to do

53:08whatever they need to do. If it's not

53:11park and wreck, if it's just town land,

53:13that may be a different story. just

53:15wanted to check.

53:18>> Yeah. I um what happened? What

53:23um I think Susan asked a similar

53:26question and I said it's just like a

53:28homeowner who has

53:31conservation land on their property.

53:33They own the whole property and I can't

53:35understand why they can't do work on it.

53:38And um but conservation commission has

53:41jurisdiction. So I would say either the

53:42town or the park and rack own all of the

53:46land and the pond. It's just that it has

53:49a jurisdictional layer through our

53:52regulations and the WPA that allows the

53:55conservation commission to have a say in

53:58what happens. Now with Susan's argument

54:01kind of gives us more authority. It's a

54:04step above what we're getting from the

54:07bylaw and the WPA, but it it makes sense

54:11and I think that we're working very well

54:16with park and wreck and I would like it

54:18to continue.

54:21And so

54:23I think we should probably, you know,

54:26see how this thing goes and then come up

54:28with that uh memorandum about working uh

54:33having them, you know, take the lead or

54:35let us take the lead on environmental

54:38projects within our jurisdiction.

54:44>> Uh any other questions?

54:48any other topics that anyone wants to

54:52talk about that we didn't think of prior

54:54to this? Um,

54:58sure. I I was just going to just fill in

54:59one second that I did talk Natasha and I

55:02had not only this talk about Hills Pond,

55:04we had we talked about other things

55:05also.

55:07And um, so the Hills Pond, the park

55:10project that's up there, they are they

55:14don't have some parts that they need for

55:16it yet. and there's a possibility that

55:18they're going to need to extend the

55:20order of conditions. And I said that

55:22wasn't a problem and that's just a

55:25request. And then she explained how as

55:30long as they're not doing work, you

55:31don't have to have a valid uh order of

55:34conditions. Uh just don't do any work.

55:36So they can finish their work and then

55:39wait for that moratorum for the three

55:42years for the planting because they're

55:44going to do that this year.

55:47um they're going to have to wait three

55:48more years before we give them a

55:50certificate of compliance, but they

55:52don't have to have a valid order of

55:54conditions throughout that that time.

55:57So, um I did let her know that, you

56:00know, sometimes you plant right at the

56:02very beginning, but that's not how it

56:04was how it happened this time. So, um

56:09yeah, I that's pretty much what we

56:12talked about, uh along with some

56:15discussions about um you know, having

56:19continue the the discussion in David's

56:22absence. And um she also let me know

56:25that I could reach out to her. I'm sure

56:27she said the same thing to Susan if

56:30anything comes up and if we had any

56:32questions.

56:34And Susan Chapnik has her hand up

56:38and Jackie just did. But Susan, uh,

56:42>> yeah. Um, about monotamy,

56:45um, I wanted Jackie to check the tolling

56:49because it may be that her, um, permit

56:53is not really expiring. She said she

56:55said the same thing to me. She said she

56:57was looking at the permit paperwork cuz

56:58she doesn't really know this. This is

57:00the first one she's done. And I said,

57:02"Well, it's probably told, so you should

57:04ask Jackie." And it may not end then.

57:07But regardless, um,

57:09>> seems like Jackie had her hand up. Did

57:10you check?

57:11>> Yeah. Did is Did you check, Jackie?

57:14>> Oh, I put my hand down because you

57:15answered my question of which order

57:17conditions this is about.

57:19>> Okay. So, this order of conditions is

57:20monottomy from

57:23two years ago, I think. Did you find it?

57:26She said 27 would when it would expire.

57:32I could I could find the number while

57:34we're talking. Um,

57:36>> but anyway, um, the other thing I wanted

57:39to bring up is we do need to ask town

57:41council what happens when you have an

57:42expired commissioner on the commission

57:45who's voting cuz that's me. So, I just

57:48found my letter cuz I thought the town

57:51was going to ask me, do you want to

57:54continue?

57:55>> That's a violation. They've always done

57:56that before and they didn't do it this

57:59time. And I just sent Jackie and Chuck

58:01my letter and my term ended June 30th,

58:042026. So, we need to find out from town

58:08council.

58:10Good thing we had no hearings today

58:11because we wouldn't have had a quorum.

58:16>> I mean, discussions don't matter. I

58:18don't know what we did this summer,

58:19Jackie. We should check where I voted

58:22and if we had enough other votes.

58:25Um I think

58:28and I don't know why they're not sending

58:29the letter out because they've always

58:31sent me a letter and that's how I knew

58:33because I don't always track it myself.

58:36>> Yeah.

58:38>> Okay.

58:39>> Yeah.

58:40>> Well, I forwarded that letter to you

58:42anyway.

58:43>> So, Monotony Rocks Park. Um

58:49that one was from 2024

58:52July. Okay. Um,

58:56so I I forget if that was during the

58:58permit extension act. I think that was

59:012023

59:03and maybe 2024. Um, but it would at

59:06least be good until

59:092027.

59:11>> Yeah, I I had it in there as permit

59:13extended two years, so 2029.

59:16>> Yeah. So you may want to So we may want

59:18to let her know that Chuck and her

59:21permit's good till 2029.

59:24>> So here's um here's the tolling. Oh, you

59:26just did it. Yeah.

59:27>> Yeah.

59:29>> Apparently I had done the calculation in

59:31the spreadsheet that it was years. So

59:34>> yeah,

59:35the tracking spreadsheet where you track

59:37all the Yeah. Good. Good. So who's going

59:40to send in? Who's going to tell Natasha

59:42that?

59:45I'm I'm not because it's due in a year

59:47and I'm sure she'll but the next maybe

59:50at the next monthly meeting.

59:52>> Yeah.

1:00:06>> Yeah, I'll reach out to her. But I I so

1:00:09the next monthly meeting I'll probably

1:00:13volunteer for Susan. So

1:00:15>> okay,

1:00:16>> I think that's how I'll do it. I'm

1:00:18reaching out.

1:00:19>> And uh yeah, it's clearly right on the

1:00:21MSNPC site. I don't know if there's some

1:00:23resources on there for all conservation

1:00:25agents. Um you probably know that,

1:00:28Jackie, because you're like you're like

1:00:30right in the top top first two pages of

1:00:33conservation agents in Massachusetts. So

1:00:37okay. Um, any other things that we want

1:00:39to talk about tonight or are we good?

1:00:41Oh, David White. Commissioner White has

1:00:44his hand up.

1:00:45>> How does a search go for a new person?

1:00:49You know, anything about that?

1:00:52>> Yeah. Well, I was supposed to reach out

1:00:55to uh Claire and I'll have to put it on

1:00:58my tomorrow list. Uh but as far as uh

1:01:01Natasha told me that she's had an

1:01:04opening

1:01:06for several months and it hasn't even

1:01:08been posted yet. So I'm sure it's not

1:01:11going to be the same and I think that um

1:01:14there may be some options that they're

1:01:16willing to take.

1:01:18>> The one of the first steps

1:01:20>> we should push it.

1:01:21>> Yeah. Well, one of the first steps

1:01:22that's going to slow it down a little

1:01:24bit is that we asked, me and Susan asked

1:01:26to see um the job description

1:01:30prior to it being posted. And so, you

1:01:34know, it's going to be some part

1:01:36planning, some part conservation. I

1:01:39think it's important that we don't lose

1:01:42whatever part we had for conservation,

1:01:45you know.

1:01:45>> Yes. Yes. So, that may slow it down a

1:01:48little bit, but um

1:01:52you know, it is it is what it is. And

1:01:54I'll send that email out tomorrow.

1:01:57Make sure I get a uh

1:01:59>> get an answer from from her

1:02:02view, too.

1:02:04>> Okay. I can't promise that, but I'll uh

1:02:07probably send it to the whole

1:02:08commission. Just kidding, David. We'll

1:02:10probably send it to the whole commission

1:02:11and ask for everyone's input,

1:02:14>> but let's do it in real real time, you

1:02:16know, like not wait for a meeting. So,

1:02:19send all your comments back to Jackie

1:02:21only

1:02:23so we don't have a discussion. Break the

1:02:25open meeting law.

1:02:29Okay. Uh, with that, if there are no

1:02:32more topics, we can

1:02:33>> Susan's

1:02:35>> Oh, sorry, Susan.

1:02:38>> Yeah, I'm sorry. I just want to know the

1:02:39process. Jackie, will you um or Jennifer

1:02:44send a letter to the select board

1:02:48um asking them to reappoint me or what

1:02:51should the process be? Should I send a

1:02:53letter? I I haven't done that before.

1:02:55It's always been automatic. I'm not

1:02:57sure, but I can check in David's emails

1:03:00to see what the process was before

1:03:02because I was already looking through

1:03:03them to see and he was there were old

1:03:06emails of him talking with commissioners

1:03:08about their term being expired. So,

1:03:11>> okay. And then and then what I will do

1:03:14because I know that you're overloaded is

1:03:16I will go back and look at any votes

1:03:19that were taken after um my expiration

1:03:24term and see if there's any issues.

1:03:28>> There's going to be an issue if it's you

1:03:29and Mike Gildas game because I don't

1:03:32remember only four commissioners. This

1:03:34is the first time that there's only been

1:03:37four commissioners. So

1:03:41if you So what I mean by that is since

1:03:44we had either five or six or seven,

1:03:48we're probably okay. But if it's both

1:03:50you and Mike that didn't uh

1:03:53you know that aren't uh legally in

1:03:56>> Well, we don't know about Mike yet,

1:03:58>> but we never

1:03:58>> Sounds like he didn't Sounds like he

1:04:00didn't go and see the clerk.

1:04:03>> Uh I didn't get a letter as we've been

1:04:06talking about in the past. So, I may it

1:04:10may have slipped by, but I I think if

1:04:13Jackie will check with the clerk, I I

1:04:15may check in with the clerk as well to

1:04:18see what uh what the story is.

1:04:21>> What if they don't appoint reappoint

1:04:23anyone? That might be tough.

1:04:26>> And we didn't have seven commissioners.

1:04:29We've only had six.

1:04:32And there have been, you know, times

1:04:34where there's only been five. But we

1:04:35only had what, two meetings? Did Did we

1:04:37cancel a meeting? It's probably not an

1:04:39issue. I will just go check though.

1:04:41>> Why don't you check and Susan, let's

1:04:44Yeah, let's

1:04:45>> You, me, and Jackie will keep I mean,

1:04:47Jackie, I know you're just going to be

1:04:48doing emails, but let's let's keep it

1:04:51with us three and then when we find out

1:04:53which meetings and if there's any

1:04:55issues, then reach out to town council

1:04:57if it's

1:04:58>> That sounds good. Yeah, I don't think we

1:04:59need town council now. And I'm just

1:05:02going to say going forward if they don't

1:05:04reappoint me by the next meeting I'm not

1:05:06going to vote because I don't want to I

1:05:09shouldn't be counted as votes for the

1:05:10quorum because I don't want to start a

1:05:12problem

1:05:14>> and I won't have you vote. So we we

1:05:16agree.

1:05:17>> All right.

1:05:17>> Maybe.

1:05:20Okay.

1:05:20>> Okay.

1:05:22>> I just have a quick question of whether

1:05:24our enforcement order was revised or if

1:05:28that's not valid.

1:05:31Should I issue a revised?

1:05:33>> Why don't you you revise it under your

1:05:35authority and we'll um ratify it at our

1:05:39next meeting.

1:05:41>> Okay.

1:05:47>> That's a good question though.

1:05:52>> And I think if anyone's going, "Well,

1:05:53what about the continuence we did?"

1:05:55Well, they're going to continue anyway,

1:05:57so that don't that's not really

1:06:01Yeah, it would be automatically

1:06:02continued for lack of quorum, right?

1:06:04>> Yeah.

1:06:07Okay.

1:06:08Anyone uh anyone but Mike and Susan

1:06:13request to adjourn? Can the only member

1:06:16of the cons two members of the

1:06:18conservation commission raise their hand

1:06:19and adjourn this meeting? All right,

1:06:21everyone.

1:06:23Unanimous adjourned. Thank you. Bye.

1:06:26Bye. Bye, Sarah.